[00:06:44] <p858snake_>	do we even support upgrading from 1.11 to 1.15 anymore?
[00:07:17] <brion>	p858snake_: yes, updater should work from any release version (unless it's not utf-8-friendly)
[00:07:30] <brion>	we've got regression tests for that and everything :)
[00:08:08] <brion>	prolly just has to disable $wgDBmysql5
[00:08:39] *p858snake_ 	goes and installs 1.1 and goes to upgrade to 1.15.1 just to test that >.>
[00:08:55] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Non-ascii characters in article titles messed up on upgrade from 1.11 to 1.15.1 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20831  (10brion)
[00:09:05] <p858snake_>	*1.3
[00:14:26] <Aaron|away>	brion: yo yo
[00:14:39] <AaronSchulz>	urg, almost a week of drizzle
[00:21:55] <CIA-12>	03siebrand * r56965 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (42 files): Localisation updates for core messages from translatewiki.net (2009-09-27 00:00 UTC)
[00:25:41] <CIA-12>	03siebrand * r56966 10/trunk/extensions/ (66 files in 52 dirs): Localisation updates for extension messages from translatewiki.net (2009-09-27 00:00 UTC)
[00:36:48] <CIA-12>	03midom * r56967 10/branches/wmf-deployment/includes/specials/SpecialMostlinked.php: 
[00:36:48] <CIA-12>	quick hack for special:mostlinkedpages - in case of misermode it won't show pages that have less than 100 links.
[00:36:48] <CIA-12>	probably the cutoff can be calculated out of total count of articles or something, may come up with that later :)
[00:46:54] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Non-ascii characters in article titles messed up on upgrade from 1.11 to 1.15.1 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20831  (10a.s.lovlie)
[00:53:20] <CIA-12>	03midom * r56968 10/trunk/phase3/includes/specials/SpecialMostlinked.php: I take 5% of blame for this idiocy
[00:56:04] <Natalie>	!r 56968
[00:56:04] --mwbot--	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/56968
[00:58:52] <CIA-12>	03midom * r56969 10/branches/wmf-deployment/includes/specials/SpecialMostlinked.php: MFT: 56968
[01:04:30] <CIA-12>	03tomasz * r56970 10/trunk/extensions/ContributionReporting/ (2 files): Removing double lookups and making things generally simpler. Date hanlding still needs to be cleanup.
[01:29:06] <Emufarmers>	So I bought some mini-stroopwafels at Trader Joe's today. :O
[01:29:23] <Splarka>	sounds fake
[01:29:35] <Emufarmers>	Probably
[01:29:47] <Emufarmers>	Hmm, chewy
[01:30:02] <Amgine>	 If it can't be warmed up over the cup of coffee, it doesn't count.
[01:30:39] <AaronSchulz>	I can't get that DVD rewinder out of my mind
[01:30:58] <Emufarmers>	http://www.daelmansbanket.nl/
[01:31:05] <Emufarmers>	I don't like coffee anyway
[01:31:33] <Amgine>	<removes Emufarmers' geek status>
[01:32:42] <Emufarmers>	Hmm, there's no "stroopwafel" userbox on enwp. :-(
[01:33:02] *Emufarmers 	prepares to spend 3 hours learning the naming conventions for userboxes.
[01:34:01] <rAWjAW>	Could anyone tell me the easiest way to get the pagetitle variable in the php? I know there is "$this->text('pagetitle')" but I don't actually want it to echo out, I need it for an if statement
[01:34:27] <Emufarmers>	I mainly wanted an excuse to use Splarka's animated stroopwafel icon 
[01:34:48] <Amgine>	<chuckles>
[01:38:32] <jdpond>	Emufarmers: - where's the animated stroopwafel icon?
[01:39:50] <Emufarmers>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/File:Throbber_allbackgrounds_stroopwafel.gif
[01:41:31] <Amgine>	Bah. Wiktionary does not have an entry for stroopwafel.
[01:42:30] <apergos>	what???
[01:44:09] <Splarka>	http://nl.wiktionary.org/wiki/stroopwafel
[01:44:56] <Amgine>	Terrible, terrible. 
[01:49:53] <Emufarmers>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Emufarmers/stroopwafels
[01:50:43] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) wikEd compatibility: toolbar focuses on hidden textarea - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20498  +comment (10oq9pscb02)
[01:51:13] <Emufarmers>	Splarka, how do I make it look pretty on my user page? :(
[01:52:13] <jdpond>	Oh, now that is cool.  (stroopwafel icon).
[01:53:16] <jdpond>	Animated Stroopwafel Gif - someone has too much time on their hands.
[01:53:32] <Emufarmers>	Take a guess who that person might be o:
[01:54:35] <Splarka>	hmm
[01:57:18] <jdpond>	amazing how someone who can distill truth into a sound bite can spend hours making an animated gif.  The universe has a since of humor.  "Collaborative Development - An assemblage of chaotic events attracted by weak forces, distilled by self interest  and passed through a Darwinian filter." -- Jack D. Pond.  Stated more Succinctly->"Collaborative Development -  Murphy's Law meets Whack-a-Mole" -- Splarka
[01:58:01] <Splarka>	a word is worth a thousand pictures
[01:58:19] <CIA-12>	03aaron * r56971 10/branches/wmf-deployment/extensions/FlaggedRevs/ (5 files in 2 dirs): merged r56890, r56892: cache tweaks
[01:58:38] <Splarka>	arr, stupid userbox template
[01:59:19] <jdpond>	Or maybe the center of the universe is not a universal truth, but a stroopwafel!
[01:59:49] <Emufarmers>	Make it better and add it to my user page, plzkthnx. ^_^
[02:00:11] <Splarka>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Emufarmers/stroopwafels
[02:00:46] <Emufarmers>	o;
[02:00:57] <jdpond>	ahhh, semantically correct (plural context)
[02:01:00] <Splarka>	at least you're not beaked
[02:01:25] <Splarka>	anim gif don't scale up nice in this case
[02:01:32] <Emufarmers>	Eh, it didn't look that bad
[02:01:38] <Emufarmers>	anyway, how do I make it look nice on my user page?
[02:01:45] <Splarka>	no idea
[02:01:47] <Splarka>	why doesn't it?
[02:01:56] <Emufarmers>	Well, it rubs up against my babel templates
[02:02:11] <Splarka>	it'll do that, yah
[02:02:19] <Emufarmers>	pevert template
[02:02:25] <Splarka>	template frottage
[02:02:47] <Emufarmers>	Maybe I should make it align=right?
[02:03:19] <Emufarmers>	ah, you changed the markup; now I don't know how to
[02:06:32] <Emufarmers>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Emufarmers thar
[02:07:59] <Emufarmers>	heh, but how do I get it onto mw.org?  We don't have template:userbox there.
[02:09:02] <wikibugs>	03(mod) CentralAuth global session doesn't include incubator - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14407  (10andrewcleung)
[02:18:30] <dira>	what's the code to check if specific page exists or not  (hyperlink creation and red links )
[02:20:24] <CIA-12>	03aaron * r56972 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedRevs.class.php: Use anon prefs as needed
[02:20:53] <CIA-12>	03aaron * r56973 10/branches/wmf-deployment/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedRevs.class.php: merged r56972
[02:22:31] <Splarka>	dira: see Linker:link and Linker:linkUrl
[02:22:57] <Splarka>	and Title:isKnown
[02:23:14] <dira>	splarka , usually where can I find manual for such functions ?
[02:23:26] <Splarka>	heh
[02:23:32] <Splarka>	in the brief comments above them, in the code
[02:23:45] <Splarka>	https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1
[02:23:50] <dira>	kidding ?
[02:24:20] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Automatic DOI linking, similar to PMID, RFC, and ISBN - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20832 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki Feature Request: Feature_Request; (oq9pscb02)
[02:25:08] <dira>	MW with such large community has not API documentation for extension developers?  
[02:25:11] <Splarka>	dira: nope, not kidding, the documentation sucks, and is constantly out of date
[02:25:15] <Splarka>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Title.php
[02:25:48] <Splarka>	well, the API is separate, has built in documentation
[02:26:01] <Splarka>	http://www.mediawiki.org/w/api.php
[02:26:21] <dira>	internal API ?
[02:26:27] <Splarka>	external api
[02:26:33] <Splarka>	though you can use it internally (but it is inefficient)
[02:27:09] <dira>	is there something like MW extension SDK?  
[02:27:36] <Splarka>	there are hundreds of millions of users who view the UI, millions who edit articles via the UI, thousands who use the API, but when you start getting to extension developers there are probably only hundreds
[02:28:41] <Splarka>	and as it is virtually all volunteer, the documentation builds and grows where it is most needed/used
[02:29:02] <Splarka>	the handful of paid developers don't have time to write documentation that goes out of date day to day
[02:29:40] <Splarka>	they often say "the best documentation is the source code"
[02:30:39] <dira>	that's a shame , isn't it ? MW is pioneer (at least dominant )  in wiki systems and  no SDK or documentations for its extensions ?
[02:31:31] *Splarka 	shrugs
[02:31:50] <Splarka>	the lack of documentation keeps mwforums, wikitech-l, and this channel active at least!
[02:32:58] <Emufarmers>	We should have support subsidies: pay developers not to document things so third-party supports can have more work
[02:33:57] <dira>	btw I believe PHP is not good language for professional development at all , that's easy to write , hard to maintain / change , awfully hard to read , with no documentation how one might know something like $wgyu mean , since PHP is dynamically typed , what is $wgyu type and global variables , nightmare
[02:38:37] <Emufarmers>	!php
[02:38:37] --mwbot--	Mediawiki requires PHP to work correctly. PHP's website is http://php.net.  For a full list of MediaWiki requirements, see http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Installation_requirements
[02:38:44] <Emufarmers>	Hmm, no !phpsucks?
[02:38:53] <GreenReaper>	!phprules
[02:38:53] --mwbot--	I don't know anything about "phprules".
[02:40:08] <Emufarmers>	!phpsucks is http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Splarka/PHP
[02:40:08] --mwbot--	Keyword "phpsucks" already exists. Use "!phpsucks del" to remove it.
[02:40:35] <Emufarmers>	:|
[02:42:01] <dira>	splarka , Title:isKnown is what I need I think ,thanks, is there built-in function for generating red links if needed ( "index.php?title=X&action=edit") ?
[02:42:13] <dira>	I'd prefer to stay clean of coding 
[02:43:31] <Splarka>	linkUrl with 'broken' in the options? something
[02:43:51] *Splarka 	doesn't know php, but the syntax is very similar to generic C-based languages
[02:44:35] <Splarka>	inline redlinks have &redlink=1, this switch causes the action=edit to turn into action=view if the user has no permission to edit the given page (blocked, anon, protected, etc)
[02:45:03] <Splarka>	this is because non-existing pages can have content (like categories, shared images, Noarticletext search suggestions, etc)
[02:45:55] <dira>	linkurl of which class ?
[02:45:57] <Splarka>	other redlinks may or may not contain action=edit and may or may not have redlink=1, the red comes from class="new" for example, and applys to p-personal links to your user/talk, but without action=edit
[02:46:07] <Splarka>	Link:linkUrl it looks like
[02:46:20] <Splarka>	er or Linker maybe
[02:46:30] <Splarka>	yah, my bad, includes/Linker.php
[02:46:32] <Splarka>	brb
[02:48:01] <dira>	tyt
[02:48:34] <Splarka>	the classes pretty much do what they say, but this makes the code spagetti
[02:48:46] <Splarka>	er +h
[02:49:53] <Splarka>	arr, stop making me learn php
[02:50:06] *Splarka 	wonders where the people are hiding that know all this crap
[02:51:51] <dira>	linkurl is private method :(
[02:59:13] <CIA-12>	03malvineous * r56974 10/trunk/extensions/MassEditRegex/ (3 files): 
[02:59:13] <CIA-12>	MassEditRegex version r3:
[02:59:13] <CIA-12>	* Use generators to edit all pages in a category, all pages linking to other pages and all page names beginning with certain text.
[02:59:13] <CIA-12>	* There are new messages (and one change) needing translation.
[02:59:13] <CIA-12>	* Bugfix: added "masseditregex-" prefix to remaining messages
[02:59:17] <CIA-12>	* Enhancement: add accesskey to preview button
[03:30:06] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) 'root' rights hidden edits from recent changes - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20833 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: Recent changes; (admin)
[03:30:51] <Emufarmers>	wut
[03:32:10] <Alphos>	Splarka, do you know what is the output of an api edit request for a blocked user ? is it a 2-node xml, with <?xml><api><error/></api> ?
[03:32:31] <Alphos>	or Emufarmers :p
[03:33:12] <Alphos>	(well, not only for blocked users, for all error reporting through the api actually...)
[03:34:29] <Splarka>	well, edit has some oddities
[03:35:12] <Splarka>	there are a /lot/ of failure modes, conflicts/captcha/blocks/locked dbs/md5/token/session loss/random goblins
[03:35:28] <Splarka>	and um..
[03:35:40] <Splarka>	hmm, some use <error> but some use... eh, I can't remember
[03:36:21] <CIA-12>	03tomasz * r56975 10/trunk/extensions/ContributionReporting/ (2 files): 
[03:36:21] <CIA-12>	- Adding how much each link brought in
[03:36:21] <CIA-12>	- Adding formatting to percentage
[03:36:21] <CIA-12>	- Not erroring if no data has been populated.
[03:36:21] <CIA-12>	- Fixing start date bug
[03:36:45] <Splarka>	okay... so
[03:36:52] <Splarka>	there will be either a result = failure, or <error>
[03:37:13] <Splarka>	since some of the edit stuff predates the general error handling, and Roan can't change it without breaking old bots
[03:37:18] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Wikireality.Ru Issues - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20834 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: Documentation; (admin)
[03:37:27] <Alphos>	hm
[03:38:07] <Alphos>	but when <error/> is used, is the xml 2-noded ?
[03:38:19] <Splarka>	so there will be <error><code/><info/></error>
[03:38:30] <Splarka>	or <edit><result/></edit>
[03:38:40] <Splarka>	eh, I use json so I dunno
[03:38:46] <Alphos>	ok ^^'
[03:38:55] <Splarka>	  if(obj['error']) {
[03:38:55] <Splarka>	    alert('Api error: ' + obj['error']['code'] + ' - ' + obj['error']['info']);
[03:39:05] <Splarka>	is what I do
[03:39:15] <Splarka>	and the result is like:  } else if(obj['edit'] && obj['edit']['result']) {    alert('Edit returned as "' + obj['edit']['result'] + '"');
[03:39:35] <Splarka>	obj is the callback object, so I guess <error> is the top level in json
[03:39:59] <Splarka>	http://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=foo&format=xml
[03:40:01] <Splarka>	http://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=foo&format=jsonfm
[03:40:25] <Splarka>	so yes, I would say <api><error><code/><info/></error></api> or <api><edit><result/></edit></api> are what you expect
[03:40:30] <Alphos>	hm, should've tried that
[03:40:31] <Splarka>	and not all results are success
[03:41:03] <Alphos>	i know that, i'm thinking of implementing an autostop for my bot when blocked ^^'
[03:41:25] <Splarka>	want me to block you on test.wikipedia?
[03:41:30] <Alphos>	(shouldn't happen as he has a stop page available for admin)
[03:42:10] <Alphos>	nah, won't be necessary i think
[03:42:52] *Splarka 	pouts
[03:43:03] <Alphos>	:D
[03:43:06] <CIA-12>	03aaron * r56976 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedRevs.class.php: rm unused var and unused code
[03:43:21] *Alphos 	huggles Splarka ^^
[03:43:42] <Emufarmers>	If he gets blocked they'll bring it up at his Test RfA
[03:45:29] <Splarka>	eeeee
[03:46:14] <Alphos>	XD
[03:46:41] <Alphos>	an arbiter that gets blocked on test : that's a little weird
[03:47:00] <Alphos>	a bot requesting a flag that gets blocked on test : that's suicidal :p
[03:48:28] <Splarka>	an RfA on test.wp == silly
[03:48:50] <Splarka>	that's one of the few places ruled by dev cabal
[03:49:15] <Splarka>	except they're like the jewish cabal, they're too busy arguing over where to eat
[03:49:24] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) Wikireality.Ru Issues - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20834  +comment (10p858snake)
[03:49:39] <Splarka>	so mostly it is anarchy with the odd steward popping in to desysop everyone
[03:50:37] <CIA-12>	03tomasz * r56977 10/trunk/extensions/ContributionReporting/ContributionTrackingStatistics_body.php: got clicks and donation backwards
[03:51:21] <Alphos>	roflooooooooooool
[03:53:13] <sDrewth>	question
[03:53:33] <sDrewth>	is there a means to directly link to Gadgets in [[Special:Preferences]]
[03:53:35] <sDrewth>	?
[03:53:41] <sDrewth>	shortcut
[03:53:43] <CIA-12>	03tomasz * r56978 10/trunk/extensions/ContributionReporting/ContributionTrackingStatistics_body.php: fixing to follow up with r56977
[03:54:44] <p858snake_>	[[Special:Preferences#prefsection-8]]
[03:55:16] <sDrewth>	k, and that is default for all?
[03:55:55] <p858snake_>	should be afaik
[03:56:03] <Splarka>	other extensions might insert other sections
[03:56:22] <Splarka>	so I wouldn't blindly trust it ^_^
[03:56:44] <p858snake_>	why do we even do numbers for the default tabs?
[03:57:01] <p858snake_>	could just use the tab lable
[03:57:04] <p858snake_>	*label
[03:57:16] <CIA-12>	03aaron * r56979 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/ (FlaggedRevs.class.php FlaggedRevs.hooks.php): short-circuit addToHistLine
[04:00:33] <sDrewth>	k, thx muchly
[04:01:26] <Splarka>	on mediawiki.org it is section 9
[04:01:33] <Splarka>	as FlaggedRevs is section 8
[04:05:42] <Alphos>	oh my, i love the log system i've made for my bot =)
[04:06:47] <Alphos>	with a single function i can add a log entry, erase cookies if i want to, erase the token if i want to, forbid the bot to restart, and kill it
[04:07:17] *Alphos 	wuves TildeBot =^_^=
[04:12:26] <sDrewth>	the anchor on Special:Preferences didn't work 
[04:12:28] <sDrewth>	http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Wikisource:Scriptorium#Announcements
[04:12:52] <sDrewth>	Wiktionary Hover gadget in beta   -->  GADGETS
[04:15:44] <p858snake_>	intresting
[04:17:32] <sDrewth>	and where can one change wording for the EDITING tab? or is that not changeable?
[04:18:05] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Wikireality.Ru Issues - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20834  (10admin)
[04:18:05] <Splarka>	http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesEn.php?view=co&content-type=text%2Fplain
[04:18:12] <Splarka>	ctrl-f for 'Editing' there, heh
[04:18:57] <p858snake_>	Splarka can answer the reply in that bug >.>
[04:20:17] <Splarka>	sDrewth you may be interested in https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16013
[04:21:12] <Splarka>	I wrote some workable JS for it (is active on test.wikipedia.org if it still works)
[04:21:24] <Splarka>	'prefs-editing'                 => 'Editing',
[04:24:07] <sDrewth>	sweet
[04:36:18] <BradLee>	Hey there. I am still having trouble getting Extension:HideNamepace to work.
[04:36:24] <BradLee>	Can someone please help me?
[04:37:49] <sDrewth>	is there an example around to see edited?  They don't exist on WS
[04:37:59] <BradLee>	Extension is here: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:HideNamespace
[04:38:21] <sDrewth>	sorry BradLee I wasn't meaning your question, mine is more basic and inane
[04:38:52] <BradLee>	np sDrewth
[04:40:11] <Splarka>	sDrewth: http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/MediaWiki:prefs-editing?action=edit is where you can change it
[04:40:27] <sDrewth>	k thx
[04:40:29] <BradLee>	Error msg I'm getting is here:  http://dpaste.org/33ej/ 
[04:40:32] <BradLee>	Oh, and its not a BOM error ;)
[04:41:30] <p858snake_>	is the extenstion supported by your version of mediawiki?
[04:42:09] <BradLee>	Yes, my version is 1.14
[04:42:39] <BradLee>	It says 1.6+ so i'm assuming it should work
[04:42:53] <BradLee>	unless something from the later versions broke it
[04:43:37] <p858snake_>	well hes working on getting it working with 1.15.x
[04:43:43] <p858snake_>	so its recommended you try that
[04:44:46] <BradLee>	um. one person commented that it wouldnt work with 1.15 for them
[04:45:02] <BradLee>	and would prefer not to upgrade everything just for the sake of an extension
[04:45:26] <Pinky>	hey BradLee 
[04:45:28] <p858snake_>	which he then fixed which would indicate that hes now using that version as well
[04:45:49] <BradLee>	hey Pinky *waves*
[04:46:17] <Splarka>	1.14 has a lot more in common with 1.15 than with 1.6
[04:46:30] <Splarka>	I would say if it is broke in 1.15 it is broke in 1.14, and the same fix will apply to both
[04:47:00] <BradLee>	I tried contacting him first RE: getting it working in 1.14, using several methods but never heard back
[04:47:08] <Splarka>	that "1.6+" was probably added when the newest version was 1.6, plus being an afterthought ^_^
[04:47:10] <BradLee>	hence why i am asking here
[04:48:19] <p858snake_>	we should really rewrite that infobox to have "confirmed working version" and suspected susported versions
[04:50:46] <BradLee>	BTW I am using the supposed "new code" that was updated 2/9/09 according to the discussion tab 
[04:50:54] <Neurotiquette>	Whats the easiest way to back up a mediawiki DB?
[04:50:56] <CIA-12>	03aaron * r56980 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedRevs.class.php: 
[04:50:56] <CIA-12>	* Made sync try both caches (user/anon)
[04:50:56] <CIA-12>	* Partial revert of r56979 (useless)
[04:52:16] <BradLee>	The extension lists properly in the MW:Version page
[04:52:32] <BradLee>	and the parser functions are also listed there
[04:52:46] <BradLee>	so i don't know why it breaks
[04:54:00] <Emufarmers>	Could be other extensions/hacks you have in place.
[04:55:08] <BradLee>	Pinky... LOL :P
[04:55:16] <victori>	Neurotiquette a sql dump
[04:55:45] <CIA-12>	03aaron * r56981 10/branches/wmf-deployment/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedRevs.class.php: merged r56980
[04:56:03] <BradLee>	Thanks Emufarmers. Will try knocking them out one at a time to test.
[04:56:14] <BradLee>	shouldn't take to long as I only have a handful
[04:56:49] <p858snake_>	!backup | Neurotiquette
[04:56:49] --mwbot--	Neurotiquette: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Backing_up_a_wiki
[05:01:42] <BradLee>	Emufarmers no it's not that either
[05:11:22] <Alphos>	Splarka : do you know the error code thrown by the api when a "nocreate" edit tries to create a page ?
[05:17:06] <Splarka>	hmm
[05:17:49] <Alphos>	i don't believe it's "cantcreate" :D
[05:18:18] <Alphos>	it could be "pagedeleted", but what if the page hasn't been deleted ? :p
[05:18:43] *Splarka 	just tries it
[05:18:51] <Splarka>	<error code="cantcreate-anon" info="Anonymous users can&#039;t create new pages" xml:space="preserve">
[05:18:54] *Alphos 	is in mode=lazy :D
[05:19:11] <Alphos>	yeah, but this may be because you weren't logged in :p
[05:19:29] <Splarka>	> when a "nocreate" edit tries to create a page
[05:19:32] <Splarka>	you didn't say logged in
[05:19:36] <Alphos>	meh
[05:20:03] <Alphos>	tildebot checks his logged-in state before every edit he makes ^^'
[05:20:08] <Splarka>	same for deleted
[05:20:21] <Alphos>	ok, so it's pagedeleted ?
[05:20:27] <Splarka>	no
[05:20:39] <Splarka>	if you have no create right, you get the same error if the page has been deleted or hasn't been deleted
[05:20:43] <Splarka>	is what I am saying
[05:20:54] <Alphos>	that wasn't the problem ^^'
[05:21:08] <Alphos>	but with $_POST['nocreate'] ^^'
[05:21:08] <Splarka>	so ask less obfuscated questions
[05:21:18] <Alphos>	# nocreate: If set, throw an error if the page doesn't exist
[05:21:24] <Splarka>	oh, that, nobody uses that
[05:21:30] <Alphos>	i do ^^'
[05:21:35] <Splarka>	then you try it!
[05:21:39] <Splarka>	lazy
[05:21:42] <Alphos>	nyaaaa :D
[05:21:56] <Alphos>	well, one way to find out anyway ^^'
[05:39:10] <CIA-12>	03aaron * r56982 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/ (FlaggedRevs.class.php FlaggedRevs.hooks.php): 
[05:39:10] <CIA-12>	* More parser cache checks
[05:39:10] <CIA-12>	* Minor cleanups
[05:41:40] <MaxSem>	hmm, can AbuseFilter be used for filtering wikimail?
[05:46:43] <Alphos>	Splarka : <?xml version="1.0"?><api><error code="missingtitle" info="The article you tried to edit doesn&#039;t exist" /></api>
[05:46:58] <Splarka>	wow, boring
[05:47:30] <Alphos>	i'm editing the api man ;)
[05:47:36] <Alphos>	(*manual)
[05:48:32] <Alphos>	hm, it actually already is in the "standard" errors
[05:48:38] <Alphos>	just not clearly explained...
[06:46:17] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) Wikireality.Ru Issues - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20834  +comment (10alex.emsenhuber)
[06:47:59] <Nikerabbit>	argh
[06:48:02] <Nikerabbit>	now in bugzilla too?
[06:48:12] <Nikerabbit>	who is helping trolls
[06:55:16] <p858snake_>	...I already INVALIDED that bug
[06:55:25] <Nikerabbit>	I see
[06:59:01] <Emufarmers>	Well, the arbitrators really are evil clowns, so he's got you there.
[07:00:05] <apergos>	:-D
[07:21:05] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Wikisource: IPs unable to flag articles as "proofread" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20812  (10thomasV1)
[07:33:47] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Enable/Add DST for Asia/Dhaka - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20835 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: User preferences; (bellayet)
[07:45:18] <CIA-12>	03huji * r56983 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesFa.php: Localisation updates: Adding translation for STYLEPATH. Adding correct translation for SCRIPTPATH, and keeping the incorrect (shortened) translation there for backward compatability.
[08:07:48] <CIA-12>	03midom * r56984 10/trunk/debs/libapache2-mod-dumpcore/debian/rules: remove dh_prep, for hardy support
[08:08:39] <hintswen>	Can someone tell me how to make images with transparance look like this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Crypto_key.svg (the checkered background)
[08:12:27] <Splarka>	get a light grey sharpie and draw such a pattern on your monitor
[08:12:42] <Splarka>	or copy the style from:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.css
[08:12:47] <Splarka>	/* Put a chequered background behind images, only visible if they have transparency */
[08:12:49] <Splarka>	below that
[08:14:14] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enable/Add DST for Asia/Dhaka - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20835  (10niklas.laxstrom)
[08:56:57] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enable/Add DST for Asia/Dhaka - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20835  (10bellayet)
[09:17:21] <mfurman>	i'm looking for people with experiance editing wikipedia that also have a background in guitar or music theroy to help create www.fretbook.com if you would like to help join #fretbook.com or email me @ admin@fretbook.com
[09:22:13] <p858snake_>	!op spa,
[09:22:13] --mwbot--	
[09:22:16] <p858snake_>	*spam
[09:33:14] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Enable site logo displaying according to user language - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20807  summary; +comment (10danny.b)
[09:36:13] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Unicode breaks Query Processor - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20827  (10markus)
[09:37:23] <hintswen>	Splarka: I drew the pattern on my screen, but now its not moving when I move my browser...
[09:38:23] <Splarka>	heh heh
[09:38:52] <hippietrail_>	i've just noticed users like to disable all interwiki links except a few with css
[09:39:31] <hintswen>	:)
[09:39:34] <Splarka>	interlang?
[09:39:43] <hippietrail_>	but currently there is only an inelegant way to do that. how about if we gave each interlanguage link a generic class as well as a lnguage specific class?
[09:39:50] <hippietrail_>	yes interlang sorry
[09:42:24] <hippietrail_>	just saw some people debating the merits of having a hundred css entries in their monobook.css one for each language except the couple you want to keep
[09:42:44] <hippietrail_>	vs having one huge css entry with a hundred classes listed followed by one "display none"
[09:43:58] <Splarka>	wat
[09:44:09] <Splarka>	so
[09:44:15] <hintswen>	i probably shouldnt hotlink wikipedia's files... lol
[09:44:15] <Splarka>	why can't you just ...
[09:44:29] <Splarka>	#p-lang .pBody li {display:none;}
[09:44:54] <Splarka>	#p-lang .pBody ul .interwiki-de, #p-lang .pBody ul .interwiki-fr {display:inline;}
[09:45:08] <Splarka>	(or block, actually, I suppose)
[09:45:45] <p858snake_>	hintswen: which files? it's would probably be more preferred if you did it though the foreignfilesrepo system
[09:45:51] <hippietrail_>	that sounds pretty sensible Splarka 
[09:46:18] <p858snake_>	!foreignfilerepos | hintswen
[09:46:18] --mwbot--	hintswen: see http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgForeignFileRepos
[09:47:34] <Splarka>	hintswen: you can just copy the file locally, upload it or ftp it or such
[09:49:12] <p858snake_>	hmm maybe we could do something like Special:{Export/Import} that packages indivual files and their descriptions up so that its easy to import them
[09:58:25] <CIA-12>	03siebrand * r56985 10/trunk/extensions/MassEditRegex/MassEditRegex.i18n.php: Update messages
[10:10:39] <CIA-12>	03malvineous * r56986 10/trunk/extensions/MassEditRegex/ (3 files): Fixed arbitrary code execution bug (/e modifier on regex), some code cleanup
[10:11:44] <hintswen>	p858snake_:  I already have that set up, I've only got wikipedia commons or whatever it's called (because I cant get svg files workong on my site!), and this file is used in css so better to store locally
[10:32:47] <hintswen>	should catagory names be singular or plural?
[10:32:58] <hintswen>	like Category:Train or Category:Trains?
[10:33:31] <p858snake_>	its up to the user
[10:38:14] <hintswen>	what does wikipedia recomend? lol
[10:38:34] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Special:Listusers gives postgresql query error about ipblocks.ipb_deleted - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20822   +postgresql; +comment (10alex.emsenhuber)
[10:41:03] <hintswen>	looks like wikipedia uses plurals
[11:31:50] <Danny_B>	how can i turn off script checking on file upload? (eg. i'm uploading html or svg containing <script>)
[11:40:05] <ialex>	you don't :)
[11:40:37] <ialex>	or you can hack UploadBase::detectScript()
[11:41:51] <Splarka>	IEContentAnalyzer.php ?
[11:43:12] <Danny_B>	hmm, that should be configurable then...
[11:43:42] <Splarka>	I mean, I believe UploadBase is 1.16+ post mdale-branch-merge...
[12:05:41] <CIA-12>	03malvineous * r56987 10/trunk/extensions/MassEditRegex/ (MassEditRegex.class.php MassEditRegex.i18n.php): Implemented NikeRabbit's code review suggestions: Replaced (almost) all HTML with calls to Xml class, replaced NULL with null and formatted numbers correctly.
[12:14:22] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Public Autoblock is not hidden on Special:BlockList after hideuser - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20267  +comment (10pgrawehr)
[12:22:41] <wikibugs>	03(mod) 'root' rights hidden edits from recent changes - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20833  (10innocentkiller)
[12:26:12] <Jimmy_xu_wrk>	Hi, may I ask that why do we have "Wikipedia:首页" in [[MediaWiki:Mainpage/zh-cn]] but the "Main page" in the navigation still points to [[首页]]?
[12:26:39] <Jimmy_xu_wrk>	(On zhwiki, variant: zh-cn)
[12:30:52] <wikibugs>	03(mod) wikEd compatibility: toolbar focuses on hidden textarea - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20498  (10roan.kattouw)
[13:09:51] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Preload not working for MediaWiki namespace - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20836 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: Page editing; (heldergeovane)
[13:21:44] <Meister-Lampe>	greetings
[13:22:18] <Meister-Lampe>	on dewiki it is possible to block a user allowing or prohibiting him to edit his own discussion page.
[13:23:14] <Meister-Lampe>	what is the option that's causing this? on my mediawiki-installation there's no such option
[13:23:38] <p858snake_>	its a option you need to enable in the config
[13:24:51] <Meister-Lampe>	do you know which one? i searched it in the docs but i didn't find anything
[13:28:18] <Brownout>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgBlockAllowsUTEdit
[13:28:48] <Meister-Lampe>	wonderful, thanks
[13:30:38] *^demon 	stabs eclipse
[13:36:05] <CIA-12>	03catrope * r56988 10/trunk/extensions/UsabilityInitiative/ (5 files in 3 dirs): NavigableTOC: Cut off long section names and append an ellipsis to them. Add tooltip functionality to autoEllipse plugin and use this in NTOC as well.
[13:36:22] <RoanKattouw>	^demon: What's Eclipse failing this time?
[13:37:23] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Navigable TOC : Full page name is not displayed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20599  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[13:37:31] <Meister-Lampe>	Brownout: it works, thanks
[13:37:41] <Brownout>	yw
[13:43:49] <^demon>	RoanKattouw: Probably more the Android plugin being stupid. I updated the SDK to 1.6 and Eclipse was yelling at me that some library was out of sync.
[13:51:20] <buzz_>	are wiki links not allowed in <pre> sections? I'm sure they used to work, and now they dont.
[13:51:42] <p858snake_>	pre's are handled as pres
[13:51:49] <p858snake_>	wiki links were never allowed
[13:52:17] <buzz_>	k. thanks
[13:52:21] <buzz_>	my imagination perhaps
[13:52:36] <p858snake_>	maybe you were thinking of source tags
[13:52:49] <buzz_>	could be
[13:52:49] <p858snake_>	or code tags possibly
[14:31:42] <CIA-12>	03rotem * r56989 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesHe.php: Localization update.
[14:32:43] <CIA-12>	03rotem * r56990 10/trunk/extensions/ContributionReporting/ContributionReporting.i18n.php: Localization update for he.
[15:12:53] <harej>	Is it possible to use MediaWiki to store PHP pages, e.g. [[User:Harej/file.php]]
[15:13:01] <harej>	That can then be retrieved via API and actually be useful to a PHP script
[15:15:02] <RoanKattouw>	harej: Sure, you can store any text in a wiki page
[15:15:40] <harej>	What I'm asking is, how would I then use the API to retrieve it and make it actual PHP code instead of just text
[15:17:53] <RoanKattouw>	harej: api.php?action=query&prop=revisions&rvprop=content&titles=User:Harej/file.php will get you the content
[15:18:47] <harej>	but won't it be treated as plain text unless I do some processing to have it treated as PHP code?
[15:19:01] <RoanKattouw>	Yes
[15:19:14] <RoanKattouw>	If not, that would be very scary
[15:20:48] <harej>	so how do I have it treated as code instead of plain text
[15:21:22] <harej>	(i am aware of the risks; it'd be a heavily controlled page)
[15:23:13] <OverlordQ>	does php have something like eval{}?
[15:23:23] <harej>	i believe so
[15:23:37] <harej>	if so, ohhhhhhhhhhh
[15:24:29] <harej>	thank you =)
[15:27:12] <TodWulff>	Are the servers on some en.wikipedia.org context sensitive by design?  I ask as I am finding that they are with specific pages, but not seemingly with others.  2 examples forthcoming:
[15:30:00] <TodWulff>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_creation works & http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_Creation works, but http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lana_stempien doesn't while http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lana_Stempien does.  Ideas?
[15:31:05] <OverlordQ>	one probably has a redirect to the correct capitalization while the other does not
[15:31:36] <OverlordQ>	 (Redirected from Special Creation)
[15:31:39] <TodWulff>	ok, I'll buy that, however, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/moonies does resolve to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moonies
[15:31:49] <OverlordQ>	that's because the first letter is always capitalized
[15:31:55] <TodWulff>	luls
[15:31:56] <OverlordQ>	for varying degrees of always
[15:32:28] <TodWulff>	and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MOONIES should bomb then, huh?
[15:32:34] <TodWulff>	it does.
[15:32:41] <TodWulff>	damn - more work to do.
[15:32:50] <OverlordQ>	yes because pages are case sensitive
[15:33:01] <OverlordQ>	again, ignoring the first letter
[15:33:08] <TodWulff>	copy that.
[15:33:14] <TodWulff>	thank you.
[16:07:17] <Happy-melon>	hmm, anyone got any thoughts on bug20833??
[16:07:27] <Happy-melon>	people like my 'root' permission
[16:07:31] <Happy-melon>	but don't want it to contain 'bot'
[16:08:36] <CIA-12>	03aaron * r56991 10/branches/wmf-deployment/extensions/FlaggedRevs/ (FlaggedRevs.class.php FlaggedRevs.hooks.php): merged r56982
[16:14:02] <[[sroracle]]>	Hold on Happy-melon
[16:17:07] <[[sroracle]]>	Happy-melon: add the following line to your LocalSettings.php
[16:17:19] <[[sroracle]]>	$wgGroupPermissions['root']['bot']    = false;
[16:17:37] <Happy-melon>	nah, 'root' is implemented as a permission, not a usergroup
[16:17:42] <Happy-melon>	it implicitly grants all other permissions
[16:17:48] <[[sroracle]]>	Ah.
[16:17:52] <[[sroracle]]>	Hmm...
[16:18:02] <Happy-melon>	so when User::isAllowed() checks for 'foo', it returns true if the user also has 'root'
[16:18:25] <Happy-melon>	otherwise anyone with 'userrights' could give themselves the 'root' group and do anything
[16:18:32] <afraidoftrees>	that seems like a poor way to do it
[16:18:41] <Happy-melon>	here a sysadmin has to assign it to a group before it can be used
[16:18:49] <afraidoftrees>	why not make it a group?
[16:18:52] <[[sroracle]]>	I don't see any way around that but to implicitly specify every permission that should be activated by root
[16:19:12] <Happy-melon>	afraidoftrees: ^^ - it's a privilege escalation
[16:19:16] <[[sroracle]]>	if you still want it to be a permission]
[16:19:47] <afraidoftrees>	Happy-melon: we already have a way to control who can assign which groups, no?  (like the assign-to-self stuff)
[16:19:48] <Happy-melon>	or some horrible variable $wgRootPermissions
[16:19:53] <afraidoftrees>	why not generalise that
[16:20:05] <afraidoftrees>	having 'bot' as a right is pretty broken anyway, though.
[16:20:10] <afraidoftrees>	like most of mw's permissions ;)
[16:20:16] <Happy-melon>	afraidoftrees: yes, but the legacy permission 'userrights' grants full access to assigning groups
[16:20:30] <Happy-melon>	crats have it on a default install
[16:20:37] <Happy-melon>	stewards have it on MW
[16:20:57] <Happy-melon>	although to be fair, stewards can use Special:GlobalGroupPermissions to create custom groups anyway
[16:21:38] <Happy-melon>	<afraidoftrees>	having 'bot' as a right is pretty broken anyway, though......  <-- how would you do it?
[16:22:47] <afraidoftrees>	have a way to assign generic attributes to an account
[16:22:55] <afraidoftrees>	key, or key=value
[16:23:05] <Happy-melon>	isn't that called the userrights interface? :D
[16:23:24] <afraidoftrees>	no, that's used to assign userrights.  that's why it's not called userattributes
[16:23:32] <Happy-melon>	I agree that on-wiki control of the permissions -> groups mapping would be nice
[16:23:36] <afraidoftrees>	for example, a generic attribute interface could allow per-user edit restrictions or rate limiting
[16:23:54] <Happy-melon>	but I support the action --> permission --> group --> user chain
[16:24:23] <Happy-melon>	edit restrictions are separate to userrights
[16:24:32] <Happy-melon>	userrights grant abilities, then restrictions take them away again
[16:24:36] <afraidoftrees>	that's why i don't want to integrate them with user rights
[16:24:47] <Happy-melon>	?
[16:24:50] <Happy-melon>	they're not
[16:25:03] <afraidoftrees>	then why did you tell me they're separate?
[16:25:17] <Happy-melon>	the 'bot' permission doesn't affect editing rates or whatnot
[16:25:22] <afraidoftrees>	i know that
[16:25:28] <Happy-melon>	'bot' permission hides the user from recentchanges
[16:25:33] <afraidoftrees>	i know what it does
[16:25:47] *Happy-melon 	tied up in mental knot
[16:26:03] <afraidoftrees>	"bot" is not a privilege or permission (or right)
[16:26:13] <afraidoftrees>	it's an attribute describing the account, in the same way rate limits or edit restrictions are
[16:26:27] <Happy-melon>	so is a username or editcount
[16:26:29] <Happy-melon>	what's your point?
[16:26:29] <afraidoftrees>	so, it would make sense to have a way to assign generic attributes to an account
[16:26:55] <Happy-melon>	but what does this "generic attribute" *do*?
[16:27:00] <afraidoftrees>	usernames and edit counts aren't implemented as user rights.. bot is.  that's my problem.
[16:27:16] <afraidoftrees>	Happy-melon: for example, there could be a "bot" attribute, and when you assign it to an account, their edits are hidden from recent changes
[16:27:40] <Happy-melon>	but how is that any different to a "rollbacker" attribute that grants access to rollback?
[16:27:47] <Happy-melon>	you've just described user groups and userrights
[16:27:49] <afraidoftrees>	being able to rollback is a right
[16:27:59] <Happy-melon>	so is being hidden from RC
[16:28:52] <afraidoftrees>	bot is only one example of the attributes that could be applied to an account
[16:30:12] <AryehGregor>	afraidoftrees, this sounds like an "edit random stuff about this user" page, like practically all other web software has.
[16:30:30] <afraidoftrees>	i don't care what the interface is, i'm just talking about the code
[16:30:42] <afraidoftrees>	the UI can be done in whatever way makes sense, doesn't have to be a Special:Userattributes
[16:31:46] <AryehGregor>	What would be the point of a unified backend here?
[16:34:41] <afraidoftrees>	it would prevent thing like having a user right 'bot', and it would solve this problem that giving all privileges ('root') to an account gives them things which aren't privileges
[16:35:17] <AryehGregor>	Ah, I see.
[16:35:21] <AryehGregor>	That makes sense.
[16:35:54] <afraidoftrees>	btw, what i'm describing is basically solaris projects ;)
[16:36:03] <afraidoftrees>	the idea of 'root' got me thinking about how unix solved this problem
[16:37:24] <afraidoftrees>	btw, as to hiding from RC being a right: the _ability_ to hide from RC is a right, doing it _by default_ isn't.
[16:38:00] <Happy-melon>	afraidoftrees: now *that* is true
[16:39:45] <afraidoftrees>	AryehGregor: the other difference is that attributes could have values, like rate_limit=(10,minute) (just to make up a random example)
[16:42:12] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) LocalisationCache Notice - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20837 normal; Normal; MediaWiki: Internationalization; (Platonides)
[16:51:11] <wikibugs>	03(mod) wikEd compatibility: toolbar focuses on hidden textarea - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20498  (10oq9pscb02)
[17:13:44] <AaronSchulz>	http://www.seattlepi.com/business/368078_gatesclout24.html
[17:13:52] <AaronSchulz>	"The prospect of a technical review with Gates would instill the Fear of God -- or more precisely, the Fear of Bill -- in Microsoft's product teams."
[17:14:29] *AryehGregor 	just edit-summaried "Speliing" unironically
[17:14:45] <AryehGregor>	AaronSchulz, have you seen this?  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtTnizEnC1U
[17:14:58] <AryehGregor>	Wow, Bill Gates looks old these days.
[17:15:03] <AaronSchulz>	my dad was talking about that
[17:15:13] <AaronSchulz>	why, does it have to do with Gates? :)
[17:15:41] <AryehGregor>	I hope not.
[17:16:07] *AaronSchulz 	is afraid to read the youtube comments
[17:16:20] <AryehGregor>	Man, that article reads like an obituary.
[17:16:24] <AryehGregor>	"He was always so good at understanding details and catching things very quickly," Cusumano said. "It put everybody on a higher plane of preparedness."
[17:25:53] <AaronSchulz>	I wonder who bad the ACORN fallout will be
[17:25:56] <AaronSchulz>	*how
[17:27:52] <trochala>	Hello, I am doing a research semantic wiki application, I 'd like to know if semantic mediawiki supports importing pages from rdf data? 
[17:33:55] <wikibugs>	03(mod) wikEd compatibility: toolbar focuses on hidden textarea - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20498  (10roan.kattouw)
[17:45:14] <TodWulff>	Editing question:  Is there markup to cause a link such as [[blah]] to open the page in a new window/tab vs. having the target being the current browser window?  I did review http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Editing#Links_and_URLs in detail and either missed it, or it is not covered.  Please advise.  TIA.
[17:45:29] <AryehGregor>	No, there's no such markup, by design.
[17:46:01] <AryehGregor>	It's felt that users should be able to open the link in a new window only if they want to, and that target=_blank is typically used by obnoxious sites to discourage users from navigating away.
[17:46:15] <AryehGregor>	(this includes most sites, of course)
[17:46:49] <TodWulff>	:-) copy that.  is there a work-around, for specific instances where it may make sese to do so, such as tool page where it's content is referenced repeatedly by team members?
[18:02:09] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Sidebar scaling issue (font size) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20838 minor; Normal; MediaWiki: Vector Skin; (robert)
[18:02:10] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Sidebar scaling issue (font size) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20838  (10robert)
[18:02:10] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Wikisource: IPs unable to flag articles as "proofread" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20812  (10cecilatwp)
[18:29:39] <CIA-12>	03siebrand * r56992 10/trunk/phase3/js2/ajaxcategories.js: 
[18:29:39] <CIA-12>	* add semi-colon in lines 226 and 230
[18:29:39] <CIA-12>	* indentation updates
[18:38:29] <CIA-12>	03siebrand * r56993 10/trunk/phase3/js2/ (README editPage.js remoteMwEmbed.js uploadPage.js): update indentation and remove trailing whitespace
[18:46:34] <t0lk>	when <ref></ref> is translated into a linked [1] or [2], what stylesheet or w/e controls the size and position of the [1]?
[18:47:58] <AryehGregor>	Your browser default styles, probably.
[18:48:07] <AryehGregor>	You can override it in [[MediaWiki:Common.css]] if you like.
[18:48:13] <t0lk>	ah, great
[18:48:21] <t0lk>	i just looked there, do you know what exactly i'd search for?
[18:49:15] <AryehGregor>	You'd want to add more rules to the end.
[18:49:21] <t0lk>	ok
[18:49:39] <t0lk>	it must be pre-defined somewhere though, no?
[18:52:40] <t0lk>	ah, i think i found it, MediaWiki:Cite references link many format
[18:53:33] <AryehGregor>	Don't alter that.  Use CSS.
[18:53:45] <t0lk>	how come?
[18:56:00] <dira>	I'm editing an extension , what's the available function for creating URLs ? this function should be able to produce red links in case the destination page doesn't exist 
[18:57:28] <MaxSem>	dira, start digging from Linker.php onwards:)
[18:58:13] <dira>	problem is , documentation are so poor 
[18:58:55] <MaxSem>	code is the best documentation
[18:59:18] <MaxSem>	<s>mwahaha</s> sigh
[19:03:11] <dira>	ok then what does wfProfileIn mean  or what is type of $ret :( with no proper documentation you have to trace it back in multiple files with huge amount of time 
[19:36:23] <CIA-12>	03siebrand * r56994 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/ (TranslateUtils.php scripts/languageeditstats.php): Allow namespace selection in languageeditstats.php
[19:43:06] <CIA-12>	03siebrand * r56995 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/scripts/languageeditstats.php: 
[19:43:06] <CIA-12>	* check intval for days and top
[19:43:06] <CIA-12>	* add brackets on if/else
[19:43:22] <dira>	I just installed LiquidDiscussion and here is the error I receive http://projects.knowledgatic.org/Main_Page 
[19:43:29] <dira>	*LiquidThreads
[19:44:07] <Splarka>	spaghetti code!
[19:44:33] <CIA-12>	03siebrand * r56996 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/scripts/languageeditstats.php: Remove debug output
[19:44:38] <AryehGregor>	Hmm, werdna is absent.
[19:45:29] <AryehGregor>	dira, what version of LiquidThreads and MediaWiki are you using?
[19:45:40] <AryehGregor>	trunk LQT is very unlikely to work with MW 1.15.1.
[19:46:02] <dira>	both the latest version 
[19:46:32] <MaxSem>	latest = what?
[19:46:51] <AryehGregor>	You're not using the latest version of MediaWiki.  You're using 1.15.1, which is the latest *stable* version.
[19:46:58] <AryehGregor>	1.16alpha is the latest version.
[19:47:13] <AryehGregor>	If you're using LQT 1.16alpha with MW 1.15.1, that will probably spontaneously combust.
[19:47:20] <AryehGregor>	Because LQT has seen major reworking in 1.16.
[19:47:23] <dira>	http://projects.knowledgatic.org/Special:Version
[19:47:26] <jdpond>	dira: Does not work with 1.15.1 - I've tried.
[19:47:50] <jdpond>	works fine with trunk though
[19:47:58] <jdpond>	(or it did a few days ago)
[19:48:18] <AryehGregor>	dira, LQT isn't listed there, so I don't know what version you have.
[19:50:21] <dira>	LQT version 2.0-alpha
[19:50:31] <AryehGregor>	Hmm.
[19:50:35] <AryehGregor>	I wonder what that means, if anything.
[19:50:39] <AryehGregor>	Where did you get it?
[19:50:47] <AryehGregor>	Meaning, where exactly on mediawiki.org?
[19:50:51] <AryehGregor>	(I hope you got it somewhere there.)
[19:52:22] <dira>	http://svn.wikimedia.org/svnroot/mediawiki/trunk/extensions/LiquidThreads/LiquidThreads.php
[19:54:06] <AryehGregor>	dira, that's trunk.  Don't get it from trunk.
[19:54:43] <AryehGregor>	Ugh, who made Special:ExtensionDistributor POST for the extension selection?
[19:54:46] <AryehGregor>	dira, http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:ExtensionDistributor
[19:54:56] <AryehGregor>	Choose "LiquidThreads", then "1.15.x".
[19:55:01] <AryehGregor>	Use that.
[19:55:19] <dira>	thanks
[19:55:46] <dira>	do I need to remove tables I created to install LQT ?
[20:01:34] <AryehGregor>	That would be a good idea.
[20:02:19] <AryehGregor>	Note that the 1.15.x version probably has fewer features.  You could use the 1.16alpha version, but only if you use 1.16alpha MediaWiki, which is an unstable development version, and you're strongly discouraged to try that unless you're sure you know what you're doing.
[20:30:51] <dira>	AryehGregor , thanks, its now working 
[20:30:58] <AryehGregor>	Great.
[20:38:58] <dira>	what do /tests and /t folders contain ? 
[20:40:31] <MaxSem>	a junk that was intended to be test suites (x2), but had nevar really got going
[20:52:32] <dira>	can it be removed safely ?
[20:55:17] <cirwin>	probably, why would you want to though?
[21:07:01] <dira>	minimalism 
[21:09:05] *^demon 	cuddles up with his shiny new macbook
[21:16:12] <dira>	when /serialized is going to be used ?
[21:16:51] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Bold/italic markup handled differently depending on leading whitespace - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18765  (10Platonides)
[21:17:26] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Bold/italic markup handled differently depending on leading whitespace - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18765  -need-parsertest +need-review (10Platonides)
[21:28:29] <dira>	can /docs folder be removed safely ?
[21:31:49] <^demon>	dira: Yes, /docs can be safely removed.
[21:31:58] <Emufarmers>	[12:20:15] <Happy-melon> afraidoftrees: yes, but the legacy permission 'userrights' grants full access to assigning groups       <-- So have $wgAddGroups['bureaucrat'] = array( 'sysop', 'bot' ); set by default.
[21:32:56] <Happy-melon>	emufarmers: tempting
[21:33:10] <Happy-melon>	and $wgRemoveGroups :D
[21:33:29] <Happy-melon>	I guess changing the defaults isn't too bad
[21:33:38] <Happy-melon>	although I'd want to run it past brion...
[21:35:43] <Emufarmers>	<AryehGregor> Ugh, who made Special:ExtensionDistributor POST for the extension selection?   <-- https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19154 rawr
[21:36:10] <Emufarmers>	I think I could subsist forever on these stroopwafels.
[21:36:17] <Emufarmers>	nom nom cancer
[21:37:53] <CIA-12>	03siebrand * r56997 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (41 files): Localisation updates for core messages from translatewiki.net (2009-09-27 21:18 UTC)
[21:43:32] <CIA-12>	03siebrand * r56998 10/trunk/extensions/ (65 files in 55 dirs): Localisation updates for extension messages from translatewiki.net (2009-09-27 21:18 UTC)
[21:48:53] <enhydra>	is there an extension to mass revert recent edits, something like Special:Nuke?
[21:48:59] <enhydra>	(yes, I have searched the site)
[22:00:46] <dira>	how to add/edit new pages in specific namespace, to add/edit a page in main namespace  we use index.php?title=X&action=edit , what is its equivalent for editing page in another namespace
[22:01:17] <enhydra>	index.php?title=Namespace:X&action=edit
[22:05:51] <dira>	it still recognizes it as main namespace
[22:06:39] <enhydra>	if you want to use a non-standard namespace, you first have to declare it as described in http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Using_custom_namespaces
[22:08:36] <dira>	I'm using for that
[22:08:38] <dira>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:SpecialNamespaces
[22:08:49] <dira>	*I'm using ^ for that
[22:15:53] <Malvineous>	Hi all - does anyone know how to get a new extension to appear in the ExtensionDistributor list?  Mine's been in SVN for a couple of weeks but it's still not showing up :-( http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:ExtensionDistributor/MassEditRegex
[22:23:34] <Emufarmers>	Malvineous: stab Tim-away
[22:26:42] <wikibugs>	03(mod) nl Wikipedia: Possibility to see deleted edits for checkusers - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20775  +comment (10oscar.wiki)
[22:29:49] <wikibugs>	03(mod) nl Wikipedia: Possibility to see deleted edits for checkusers - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20775  (10oscar.wiki)
[22:33:53] <Malvineous>	Ah ok, I did wonder if he still looked after it.  Will do, thanks.
[22:36:02] <p858snake_>	just memoservo him
[22:36:15] <p858snake_>	/ms send TimStarling <message>
[22:54:33] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) accounts created by admins should be autoconfirmed by default - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9398  low->normal; +comment (10cenarium.sysop)
[23:00:38] <jdpond>	Malvineous:  See following:
[23:00:40] <jdpond>	[14:28:17] <jdpond>	OK, how long before it propagates?  Will go back and change all infoblox [14:28:46] <^demon>	TimStarling: How long does it take for extensions to show up once they're in SVN? [14:28:54] <^demon>	(into ExtensionDistributor, I mean) [14:31:06] <TimStarling>	until someone runs svn up 
[23:01:39] <jdpond>	Malvineous: You also have to change your infobox to use the distributor - you can see a log of examples out there.
[23:05:07] <jdpond>	Malvineous: However, I put up a new extension on the 9th and still not there.  Guess he's kind of busy - or the SVN UP is broken.
[23:13:29] <p858snake_>	you can't break svn up, if that was to be broken, the whole svn system would be
[23:18:59] <CIA-12>	03siebrand * r56999 10/trunk/phase3/includes/specials/SpecialBlockip.php: 
[23:18:59] <CIA-12>	* support GENDER in 'blocklog-showlog' and 'blocklog-showsuppresslog'
[23:18:59] <CIA-12>	* break long lines
[23:22:11] <CIA-12>	03siebrand * r57000 10/trunk/phase3/includes/specials/SpecialContributions.php: Support GENDER in 'sp-contributions-blocked-notice'
[23:24:41] <CIA-12>	03siebrand * r57001 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/check-blacklist.php: Update check blacklist