[00:10:45] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Filter deletion log by page deletions vs revision deletions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20839 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: Revision deletion; (cenarium.sysop)
[00:10:48] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Specific log for revision deletions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17806  (10cenarium.sysop)
[00:20:07] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Filter deletion log by page deletions vs revision deletions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20839  (10FT2.wiki)
[00:20:50] <wikibugs>	03(mod) parser function to detect if the current page is in a given category - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18596  +comment (10heldergeovane)
[00:38:30] <wikibugs>	03(mod) parser function to detect if the current page is in a given category - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18596  (10cenarium.sysop)
[00:41:30] <exercicios>	Is there any other wiki which can import mediawiki xml dump in one go?
[00:42:35] <exercicios>	I'm wondering if storing in flat files is better or not for under 50k pages wikis
[01:32:44] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Filter deletion log by page deletions, undeletions and revision deletions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20839  summary; +comment (10cenarium.sysop)
[02:08:25] <CIA-12>	03aaron * r57002 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ImagePage.php: bolden show/hide links if oversighted
[02:12:04] <CIA-12>	03aaron * r57003 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ImagePage.php: Revert r57002: already done when needed
[02:42:15] <CIA-12>	03aaron * r57004 10/trunk/phase3/includes/User.php: Follow-up r56791: add 'deletedcontent' to corerights
[02:44:16] <CIA-12>	03adam * r57005 10/trunk/phase3/skins/vector/images/ (watch_on.gif watch_over.gif): image updates for the watch/unwatch icons
[02:45:37] <CIA-12>	03adam * r57006 10/trunk/phase3/skins/common/ajaxwatch.js: addressing feedback on the watch/unwatch javascript changes introduced in r56924
[03:10:03] <CIA-12>	03aaron * r57007 10/trunk/phase3/ (16 files in 5 dirs): 
[03:10:03] <CIA-12>	* Split off deletedrevision (view only) right and give it to sysops
[03:10:03] <CIA-12>	* Allow show/hide link on top revision just like history
[03:42:39] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Unordered list after <center>ed heading contains additional <li>s - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20829  +comment (10rockmfr)
[03:43:20] <CIA-12>	03aaron * r57008 10/trunk/phase3/includes/Wiki.php: Rename and document initializeSpecialCases() a bit
[05:53:04] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Granularize RevisionDelete (RevDelete) user rights - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19199  (10JSchulz_4587)
[05:53:27] <wikibugs>	03(CLOSED) Navigable TOC : Full page name is not displayed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20599  +comment (10wikibugs)
[06:06:23] <wikibugs>	03(CLOSED) Internal Links: Long page names are not displayed fully - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20606  +comment (10wikibugs)
[06:06:53] <CIA-12>	03siebrand * r57009 10/trunk/phase3/includes/User.php: Follow-up to r56962: add 'deletedcontent' to $mCoreRights
[06:08:21] <AaronSchulz>	?
[06:12:43] <siebrand>	Aaron|away: incorrect commit summary, should have been sendemail.
[06:17:15] <wikibugs>	03(CLOSED) Insert, Replace buttons shall be triggered when enter key is pressed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20605  +comment (10wikibugs)
[06:21:31] <QuestPC>	Hi! What's the best way for an extension to add body onload javascript code in BeforePageDisplayHook ?
[06:22:30] <QuestPC>	Ah, I see - probably by using OutputPage::setOnloadHandler()
[06:23:49] <QuestPC>	But, why the setOnloadHandler() doesn't add new string to property ? the property is being overwritten instead: $this->mOnLoadHandler = $js; and it probabyl should be $this->mOnLoadHandler .= $js; (a concatenation)
[06:24:31] <QuestPC>	should I concatenate with getOnLoadHandler() value, then?
[06:26:12] <QuestPC>	hm.. it seems than Skin.php does such concatenation. so probably that's the proper way.
[06:30:24] <p858snake_>	what are you trying to archieve with the extenstion?
[06:31:42] <QuestPC>	p858snake_: ranks (weights) of users. user edit action is watched via AJAX. doesn't allow lower rank user to "join edit". highlights edit button with AJAX. about 80% of that already works.
[06:32:20] <QuestPC>	p858snake_: in case of edit conflict copies an revision made by lower rank user to subpage in his userpage.
[06:32:45] <QuestPC>	p858snake_: not my personal idea, but a task given.
[06:32:56] *p858snake_ 	summons Splarka, he aways has the smart ideas/answers
[06:33:25] <QuestPC>	p858snake_: don't bother him, I've figured out myself.
[06:34:06] <QuestPC>	p858snake_: it mostly works already.
[06:57:38] <mitixi>	hi, i exported some articles (334) to XML, used Microsoft Word to replace some staff and trying to import it back. What goes wrong are line brakes or paragraph marks. If I do a copy paste of article from Word to wiki editor it works, but if i import almost everything is in one paragraph. Any ideas to solve the problem?
[06:58:20] <Nikerabbit>	uh what
[06:58:27] <Nikerabbit>	how about not using microsoft word
[06:58:56] <paxcoder>	Windows uses LF+CR as opposed to just LF in terminating lines: LF=line feed, and CR =carriage return
[06:59:05] <paxcoder>	This will happen in any Windows editor.
[06:59:17] <paxcoder>	(see the article on newline)
[07:00:11] <GreenReaper>	I don't know, notepad++ would probably preserve it.
[07:00:18] <GreenReaper>	Could be wrong though.
[07:00:36] <paxcoder>	Possibly. I don't know.
[07:00:57] <mitixi>	i do need editor that handles regular expressions
[07:00:57] <kmccoy>	It can probably be set to do so, if it doesn't do it automatically.  It's pretty configurable.
[07:01:24] <mitixi>	for replacement operations
[07:01:33] <kmccoy>	notepad++ does that.
[07:01:38] <mitixi>	k
[07:01:38] <paxcoder>	mitixi: and the browser probably removes CR for you to prepare it for web (along with adjusting encoding), so that's why you don't have any problems with that.
[07:01:39] <Natalie>	Microsoft Word is not for code.
[07:03:04] <paxcoder>	mitixi: you could also use http://www.thefreecountry.com/tofrodos/ (listed also in the article)
[07:03:06] <Nikerabbit>	not for plain text either
[07:05:14] <paxcoder>	Anyway, I came to give a feature idea, care to hear it?
[07:06:17] <paxcoder>	There should be an option to retrieve the watchlist via an RSS feed (just like you can for specific pages). For privacy reasons, not just anyone should be able to see it. It could be done in two ways: 1) the link of the feed containing all the articles that are watched - this would provides anonymity (the link would be huge tho), OR 2) link contains a hash which identifies the user, and gives his watchlist in XML. The hash would need to be r
[07:06:17] <paxcoder>	egenerated.
[07:07:02] <paxcoder>	Regenerated on each request that is.
[07:07:51] <QuestPC>	hm.. my OutputPage::setOnloadHandler() seems to be ignored in edit page because EditPage.php sets the same method without concatenation to getOnloadHandler() value :-(
[07:08:25] <paxcoder>	This could be possible using HTTP 301 status code ("Moved permanently") which would cause any half-baked feed reader to update the link.
[07:08:31] <QuestPC>	Skin.php properly concatenates, EditPage.php doesn't. that's in MW 1.11, don't know of svn 1.16..
[07:09:41] <QuestPC>	ok, I'll try to add onload handler from header script..
[07:09:44] <QuestPC>	*sigh*
[07:11:39] <QuestPC>	EditPage.php does $wgOut->setOnLoadHandler('document.editform.wpTextbox1.focus()'); without concatenation to previous value getOnLoadHandler(), thus overwritting my extension setOnLoadHandler()
[07:13:40] <QuestPC>	the same code in 1.16 r55629 btw.. it's not fixed.
[07:20:42] <Nikerabbit>	paxcoder: something like that is already in trunk
[07:21:03] <paxcoder>	Nikerabbit: 1 or 2. And if you please, a link.
[07:31:24] <Nikerabbit>	paxcoder: link to what?
[07:31:55] <paxcoder>	Nikerabbit: to what you're referring to - to see what it really is and weather to file a feature request I've begun writing or not.
[07:32:07] <paxcoder>	(or to remake it)
[07:32:21] <Nikerabbit>	paxcoder: how about you go to check your preferences on any wikimedia project
[07:34:28] <paxcoder>	Nikerabbit: Ok, I see. I would guess, however, that it doesn't regenerate which is a security risk (albeit not a great one). I'll start using it to see if it does, the bug report will wait. Thanks.
[07:34:35] <QuestPC>	put a onload hook via js. it's possible but not as clean.
[07:37:29] <paxcoder>	Nikerabbit: Umm, I still don't see how to subscribe to it :-/
[07:39:06] <paxcoder>	Nikerabbit: help
[07:44:35] <OverlordQ>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Syndication#Watchlist_feed_with_token
[07:45:43] <Nikerabbit>	why is that on wikipedia and not in mediawiki.org
[07:46:08] <paxcoder>	why is that on some other page, and not my preferences or watchlist page is the question.
[07:46:37] <paxcoder>	OverlordQ: thanks
[07:46:44] <Nikerabbit>	file a bug?
[07:48:35] <paxcoder>	:-)
[07:49:53] <paxcoder>	ok.
[07:50:34] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Navigable TOC : Full page name is not displayed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20599  (10roan.kattouw)
[07:54:11] <CIA-12>	03siebrand * r57010 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesFiu_vro.php: Revert r56566 for MessagesFiu_vro.php. Should remain empty.
[08:12:00] <paxcoder>	Nikerabbit: I don't know how wikibugs bot works, so here: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20840
[08:12:30] <RoanKattouw>	paxcoder: It'll report it soon, it's a bit slow, that's all
[08:12:39] <paxcoder>	oh. k.
[08:12:48] *RoanKattouw 	kicks wikibugs
[08:12:55] *RoanKattouw 	hugs wikibugs
[08:13:00] <RoanKattouw>	Dammit which one was it
[08:13:00] <paxcoder>	:-)
[08:14:17] <puzzlet>	looks like this world is already a parallel world itself
[08:14:21] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Watchlist RSS feed: Difficul to subscribe + Security suggestion - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20840 normal; Normal; MediaWiki Feature Request: Feature_Request; (paxcoder)
[08:15:53] <paxcoder>	puzzlet: wanna take it to #philosophy ?
[08:18:47] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Search & replace : Browser crashes when all occurances are replaced - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20841 normal; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: UsabilityInitiative; (wikibugs)
[08:20:43] <paxcoder>	Oh and this feed thing - highly uninformative. :-/
[08:23:24] <Nikerabbit>	paxcoder: I don't understand how that would improve security
[08:23:37] <gamla_kossan>	should I................. work?
[08:23:53] <Nikerabbit>	(and in general, only one thing in one bug)
[08:23:57] <paxcoder>	Nikerabbit: it would prevent session (actually hash) hijacking 
[08:24:37] <paxcoder>	Nikerabbit: You would know of eavesdroppers
[08:24:52] <paxcoder>	And would be able to change the hash.
[08:24:58] <Nikerabbit>	paxcoder: if you are using ensecure connection, they can capture your passwords instead
[08:27:56] *Splarka 	reads
[08:28:03] <Splarka>	so, you want it easier to use, but you want it harder to use...
[08:30:33] <paxcoder>	Splarka: Harder to write perhaps, but the client would take care of everything for you.
[08:30:44] <paxcoder>	(ie. feed reader program, not the user himself)
[08:30:47] <paxcoder>	it's automatic.
[08:31:24] <paxcoder>	*harder to write: as in harder to code (everything's pretty much the same for the client)
[08:31:30] <Splarka>	sounds like magic
[08:32:00] <paxcoder>	Just automatism using standard http mechanisms. It's explained there.
[08:32:28] <faceface>	 /part
[08:32:29] <faceface>	 /part
[08:32:42] *paxcoder 	thinks: success
[08:33:55] <Nikerabbit>	ugg
[08:34:21] <Nikerabbit>	I'm still not convinced it would provide more security
[08:35:02] <Splarka>	per https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=471 http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/53703 it was Simetrical was the one who actually implemented it (and it does seem familar that he talked about it here during)
[08:35:20] *Splarka 	assigns the new bug to him to WONTFIX
[08:35:22] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Watchlist RSS feed: Difficul to subscribe + Security suggestion - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20840  (10herd)
[08:40:26] <CIA-12>	03siebrand * r57011 10/trunk/ (12 files in 3 dirs): 
[08:40:26] <CIA-12>	Partial update of plural forms per http://unicode.org/repos/cldr-tmp/trunk/diff/supplemental/language_plural_rules.html
[08:40:26] <CIA-12>	* updating check blacklists in core and Translate
[08:40:26] <CIA-12>	* adding language classes for codes that use singular form for plural as only difference to English plural forms
[08:40:27] <CIA-12>	* adding FIXME for 'be' plurals: MediaWiki definitions differs from CLDR
[09:19:29] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Source box misaligned in IE8 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20842 minor; Normal; MediaWiki: Vector Skin; (gtisza)
[09:28:30] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Search & replace : Cursor does not moved to next word - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20843 normal; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: UsabilityInitiative; (wikibugs)
[09:39:07] <Nikerabbit>	mm
[09:46:15] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Search & replace : Cursor does not moved to next word - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20843  (10wikibugs)
[09:48:48] <CIA-12>	03catrope * r57012 10/trunk/phase3/ (includes/DefaultSettings.php skins/common/ajaxwatch.js): Fix for r56924: don't do any mouseover/mouseout effects while the spinner is being shown. Coding style cleanup will follow.
[10:06:29] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Search & replace : Information icon shall be used for - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20844 trivial; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: UsabilityInitiative; (wikibugs)
[10:09:25] <CIA-12>	03catrope * r57013 10/trunk/phase3/skins/ (common/ajaxwatch.js vector/main-ltr.css vector/main-rtl.css): Coding style cleanup for r56924; also copypaste main-ltr.css modifications to main-rtl.css; will rebuild later
[10:14:14] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Search & replace : Information icon shall be used for - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20844  +comment (10Platonides)
[10:14:19] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Filter deletion log by page deletions, undeletions and revision deletions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20839  (10happy-melon)
[10:20:17] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Installation of Extension:EditSimilar on fr.wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20658   +shell (10alex.emsenhuber)
[10:40:26] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Search & replace : Information icon shall be used for - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20844  (10wikibugs)
[10:43:12] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Search & replace : Information icon shall be used for - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20844  (10wikibugs)
[10:46:43] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Search & replace : Information icon shall be used for ACK dialogs - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20844  summary (10wikibugs)
[11:10:17] <wikibugs>	03(WONTFIX) Search & replace : Information icon shall be used for ACK dialogs - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20844  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[11:12:55] <wikibugs>	03(CLOSED) Search & replace : Information icon shall be used for ACK dialogs - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20844  +comment (10wikibugs)
[11:29:46] <hippietrail>	anyone in the mood for helping me with an sql query?
[11:30:25] <RoanKattouw>	hippietrail: Sure
[11:31:12] <hippietrail>	ive made my own table for enwikt that has a row for each section heading for each page
[11:31:47] <hippietrail>	basically an enwikt metadata table made from parsing the dump file
[11:32:17] <hippietrail>	now i want to select say all pages that have both an "Etymology" and "Alternative spellings" heading
[11:32:32] <RoanKattouw>	OK can you do DESCRIBE mytablename; and pastebin the output?
[11:33:32] <hippietrail>	http://pastie.org/633191
[11:34:32] <RoanKattouw>	So all pages that have both a head_name='Foo' and head_name='Bar', right?
[11:34:48] *RoanKattouw 	notices page_namespace is missing from that table
[11:34:50] <hippietrail>	yeah
[11:34:59] <hippietrail>	its just namespace 0
[11:36:08] <RoanKattouw>	SELECT DISTINCT ews1.page_title FROM enwiktstruct AS ews1 LEFT JOIN enwiktstruct AS ews2 ON ews1.page_title=ews2.page_title WHERE ews1.head_name='Foo' AND ews2.head_name='Bar'
[11:36:10] <hippietrail>	enwikt articles are structured with headings having specific meanings
[11:36:16] <RoanKattouw>	I think that should do it
[11:37:02] <RoanKattouw>	Depending on table size it may not be super fast
[11:38:25] <hippietrail>	1.5 million pages with a handful of rows per page
[11:39:11] <Splarka>	are you gonna check for alternative spellings of the heading "Alternative spellings" ? like uppercase S, non-plural
[11:39:22] <Splarka>	"Alternate spellings"
[11:39:35] <Splarka>	and, heaven forbid, typoes
[11:40:19] *^demon 	yawns
[11:40:21] <hippietrail>	its finished. it was slow. i'm not sure the results are correct
[11:41:20] <hippietrail>	no it has worked. the first one i checked mustve been edited since parsing the dump
[11:44:08] <hippietrail>	now what if i wanted to restrict it to a specific lang_id?
[11:44:36] <RoanKattouw>	AND ews1.lang_id='de' AND ews2.lang_id='de'
[11:46:38] <hippietrail>	ah so it returns multiple copies of each result and then DISTINCT removes them?
[11:46:49] <RoanKattouw>	Yes
[11:46:53] <RoanKattouw>	Well
[11:47:07] <RoanKattouw>	It only returns multiple copies if there are multiple such headings
[11:47:24] <RoanKattouw>	Say a page contained == Foo == twice, then it'd be listed twice; DISTINCT removes that
[11:47:58] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Insert Table : Browser is not responding when huge table is inserted - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20845 minor; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: UsabilityInitiative; (wikibugs)
[11:48:49] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Oracle support - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=652  (10marcusminervino)
[11:48:50] <hippietrail>	thanks a lot
[11:49:00] <CIA-12>	03catrope * r57014 10/trunk/extensions/UsabilityInitiative/ (6 files in 4 dirs): EditToolbar: (bug 20841, bug 20843) Rewrite search&replace code; also tweak encapsulateSelection() so it supports chaining
[11:49:09] <Reedy>	RoanKattouw, go do some API work ;P
[11:49:26] <RoanKattouw>	Reedy: You gonna pay me for it? ;)
[11:49:30] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Search & replace : Browser crashes when all occurances are replaced - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20841  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[11:49:32] <hippietrail>	what about if i wanted to get all the pages that had a certain number of a given heading?
[11:49:42] <Reedy>	RoanKattouw, well, you'd have to implement what i wanted doing ;)
[11:49:55] <RoanKattouw>	Naturally
[11:49:59] <Reedy>	hah
[11:51:07] <RoanKattouw>	hippietrail: SELECT ews1.page_title, COUNT(*) AS count FROM enwiktstruct AS ews1 LEFT JOIN enwiktstruct AS ews2 ON ews1.page_title=ews2.page_title WHERE ews1.head_name='Foo' AND ews2.head_name='Bar' AND COUNT(*) = 3 GROUP BY page_title
[11:51:27] <RoanKattouw>	hippietrail: COUNT(*) = 3 can be tweaked to use < , > and different numbers of course
[11:51:39] <Splarka>	action=query&list=reedy
[11:51:44] <Reedy>	omg
[11:51:54] <Splarka>	punchline: can be used as a generator
[11:51:55] <RoanKattouw>	hippietrail: Oh wait, this still cross-checks for the existence of both headings, lemme fix that
[11:52:05] <Reedy>	WMF should invent a duplication machine
[11:52:26] <RoanKattouw>	hippietrail: SELECT page_title, COUNT(*) AS count FROM enwiktstruct WHERE ews1.head_name='Foo' AND COUNT(*) = 3 GROUP BY page_title
[11:52:40] <RoanKattouw>	hippietrail: ---^^ that should list all pages with exactly 3 'Foo' headers
[11:53:02] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Search & replace : Cursor does not moved to next word - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20843  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[11:55:51] <hippietrail>	ERROR 1054 (42S22): Unknown column 'ews1.head_name' in 'where clause'
[11:56:15] <RoanKattouw>	Oh I fail. Drop the 'ews1.' part
[11:56:36] <hippietrail>	i tried that too and got: ERROR 1111 (HY000): Invalid use of group function
[11:59:12] <exercicios>	http://wikindex.com/ 3 times more dekiwikis? :D
[12:03:25] <hippietrail>	what's a group function?
[12:06:23] <exercicios>	I'm wondering if there is any advantage in not using a database to store pages. Some wikis rely on text files.
[12:07:04] <LauraHale>	Um
[12:07:49] <LauraHale>	That list is really outdated. :/
[12:07:49] <RoanKattouw>	hippietrail: The COUNT(*) thing
[12:08:16] <RoanKattouw>	hippietrail: Try AND count = 3 instead
[12:08:17] <Platonides>	exercicios, some wikis have shown big problems when reaching a limit in the filesystem number of files
[12:08:20] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Search & replace : Information icon shall be used for ACK dialogs - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20844  (10Platonides)
[12:08:32] <hippietrail>	even this gets invalid group function: SELECT page_title, COUNT(*) AS count FROM enwiktstruct WHERE head_name='Etymology' AND count = 3;
[12:09:03] <RoanKattouw>	hippietrail: You have to add GROUP BY page_title
[12:09:03] <hippietrail>	might it need a HAVING?
[12:09:06] <exercicios>	yeh, read about ubuntu's 32k files limit
[12:09:11] <RoanKattouw>	hippietrail: Ah yes of course
[12:09:17] <RoanKattouw>	HAVING COUNT(*) = 3 
[12:09:26] <RoanKattouw>	Instead of putting it in the WHERE
[12:10:20] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Search & replace : Information icon shall be used for ACK dialogs - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20844  +comment (10wikibugs)
[12:12:19] <hippietrail>	hmm tried replacing where with having count(*) with count and moving the having to before the group by, but they all fail
[12:13:15] <exercicios>	looking for other wiki engines but whenever I look at the features description's page, there is always something missing that my content heavly relies on
[12:13:47] <LauraHale>	You might have better luck in #wiki
[12:13:59] <LauraHale>	There are a few developers of other wikis there.
[12:14:18] <RoanKattouw>	hippietrail: SELECT ... FROM ... WHERE head_name='Foo' GROUP BY page_title HAVING COUNT(*) = 3
[12:14:43] <RoanKattouw>	Does that fail, and if yes, with which error?
[12:16:08] <hippietrail>	oh that worked thanks!
[12:16:20] <hippietrail>	can you recommend a book to learn from?
[12:16:27] <RoanKattouw>	dev.mysql.com :P
[12:16:37] <RoanKattouw>	Got this from http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/select.html
[12:18:15] <hippietrail>	ok now what about all the pages with 3 "Foo" headings that have matching land_id values too?
[12:18:33] <RoanKattouw>	GROUP BY page_title, lang_id
[12:21:17] <hippietrail>	no that gives me the pages that have 3 Foos no matter which languages the Foos are under
[12:21:46] <hippietrail>	i want just the ones with say 3 of French...Foo or 3 of Russian...Foo
[12:22:37] <RoanKattouw>	I thought replacing GROUP BY page_title with GROUP BY page_title, lang_id should work
[12:23:07] <hippietrail>	no and i tried adding lang_id to the select too
[12:23:36] <RoanKattouw>	Hm what about GROUP BY lang_id, page_title ?
[12:24:20] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Search & replace : User cannot UNDO text replacement in Opera - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20846 minor; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: UsabilityInitiative; (wikibugs)
[12:24:20] <sDrewth>	noob question ...  does anyone know a reason why   http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:StringFunctions  isn't implemented on WMF?
[12:25:03] <hippietrail>	in fact it even returns some pages with only one Foo
[12:25:16] <RoanKattouw>	sDrewth: 1) some are too inefficient 2) people are afraid people will abuse them
[12:26:16] <sDrewth>	k, so there is no means to check whether a parameter contains a wikilink or not?
[12:26:57] <RoanKattouw>	No
[12:27:18] *sDrewth 	quivers his bottom lip and retreats back under his rock
[12:27:23] <sDrewth>	thx
[12:27:26] <sDrewth>	I think
[12:27:57] <Splarka>	heh
[12:28:17] <hippietrail>	RoanKattouw: no it still returns wrong results
[12:29:16] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Remove deprecated akeytt() - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20847 minor; Normal; MediaWiki: Internationalization; (hartman)
[12:29:26] <RoanKattouw>	hippietrail: Then I'm out of ideas. I'm not a total SQL guru, most of the MySQL things I know are from MW programming, and these kinds of crazy queries aren't part of that :)
[12:30:08] <hippietrail>	RoanKattouw: thanks anyway you got me on the right path (-:
[12:37:26] <^demon>	"(This is a known bug, introduced with PHP 5.3's newly reserved word namespace), one possible solution is to rename "class Namespace" in Namespace.php to "class Namespace2" and change all occurrences of Namespace:: in all MediaWiki php files to Namespace2:: (Warning: not extensively tested; undiscovered side effects possible!)"
[12:37:35] <CIA-12>	03catrope * r57015 10/trunk/extensions/UsabilityInitiative/EditToolbar/ (EditToolbar.js EditToolbar.php): EditToolbar: (bug 20844) Use in-dialog message rather than scary error-like-looking alert box for the "Your search did not match anything." and "5 replacement(s) made." messages.
[12:37:36] <^demon>	o_O
[12:37:44] <RoanKattouw>	lol
[12:37:59] <RoanKattouw>	Or just update to a version that has NamespaceCompat.php ?
[12:38:44] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Remove deprecated akeytt() - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20847  (10hartman)
[12:38:47] <^demon>	The funny thing is NamespaceCompat is only helpful if you're running < 5.3
[12:38:59] <RoanKattouw>	Oh yeah I meant the Namespace -> MWNamespace rename
[12:39:01] <^demon>	At which point the T_NAMESPACE error is irrelevant anyway.
[12:39:42] <^demon>	Which was....1.11, 1.12?
[12:39:47] <^demon>	Somewhere around there iirc.
[12:40:10] <RoanKattouw>	Right
[12:40:10] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Search & replace : Information icon shall be used for ACK dialogs - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20844  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[12:40:30] <RoanKattouw>	So that Namespace2 hack should be replaced with "Upgrade to MW 1.15 already!"
[12:40:44] <RoanKattouw>	It's irrelevant for 1.6.12 installs anyway since those are suck on PHP 4
[12:41:07] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Broken articles and pages. Like "{{gramma{{genitive|{{SITEN|{{}}}}" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20806  +comment (10dixon3)
[12:41:23] *^demon 	thinks we should drop 1.6.x/PHP4 already
[12:41:46] <thedj>	i though that the upload and js2 work needed to be redone first ?
[12:41:58] <Jimmy_xu_wrk>	Hi, can anyone take a peek on http://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E8%9F%B2%E6%97%8F_%28%E6%98%9F%E6%B5%B7%E7%88%AD%E9%9C%B8%29 ?
[12:41:59] <RoanKattouw>	thedj: For what?
[12:42:02] <^demon>	thedj: 1.6.x, not 1.16.x
[12:42:18] <RoanKattouw>	Jimmy_xu_wrk: What's the issue?
[12:42:20] <thedj>	^demon: hmm, one char :D
[12:42:31] *RoanKattouw 	doesn't speak Chinese
[12:42:35] <Jimmy_xu_wrk>	Something wrong with section 4
[12:42:53] <RoanKattouw>	You mean it's empty?
[12:42:55] <RoanKattouw>	http://zh.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%E8%9F%B2%E6%97%8F_%28%E6%98%9F%E6%B5%B7%E7%88%AD%E9%9C%B8%29&action=edit&section=6
[12:42:57] <^demon>	Ewww, OSX bundles old SVN :(
[12:42:59] *^demon 	upgrades
[12:43:09] <Jimmy_xu_wrk>	Nope, it doesn't stay arranged with other sections
[12:43:29] <RoanKattouw>	# 2 遊戲中的虫族部隊 --> that section right?
[12:43:31] <Jimmy_xu_wrk>	Sorry for my rough English
[12:43:45] <RoanKattouw>	I don't see any misalignment on Monobook at least
[12:43:46] *RoanKattouw 	logs in
[12:43:53] <Jimmy_xu_wrk>	Nah, "参看", a <h2> indeed
[12:44:08] <Jimmy_xu_wrk>	is wrapped in dl>dd>dl>dd
[12:45:24] <RoanKattouw>	Interesting
[12:45:34] <RoanKattouw>	Looks like the parser isn't closing its own tags properly
[12:45:47] <Jimmy_xu_wrk>	Yep, that's it
[12:46:16] <RoanKattouw>	You should file a bug in that case and assign it to Tim
[12:46:31] <RoanKattouw>	(or just bug TimStarling right here and now, if he's around)
[12:46:36] <Jimmy_xu_wrk>	Fine
[12:47:04] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) IE8 cuts off floating content under Modern - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20848 minor; Normal; MediaWiki: Modern skin; (hartman)
[12:47:29] <Splarka>	any empty transcluded special page reports on the page perchance?
[12:50:18] <thedj>	ehm. zh.wiki has messed edit interface btw.
[12:50:25] <thedj>	broken toolbar code seems to be live there.
[12:50:58] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) The parser isn't closing its own tags - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20849 normal; Normal; MediaWiki: Page rendering; (xu.jimmy.wrk)
[12:51:17] <Jimmy_xu_wrk>	thedj: Issues about site js? or somethin else
[12:51:42] *thedj 	testing.
[12:52:20] <Splarka>	mmmm, it might be the variants causing the indentation
[12:52:23] <thedj>	it was because i had old stuff cached apparently.
[12:52:32] <thedj>	Jimmy_xu_wrk: nvmd
[12:53:31] <Jimmy_xu_wrk>	Splarka: Attempted to turn off converting, but the indentation is still there.
[12:53:45] *Splarka 	tests
[12:55:21] <Splarka>	doesn't indent on en.wp, hmm
[12:57:09] <Splarka>	ahh
[12:57:45] <Splarka>	I think I seeeeee...
[12:58:36] <p858snake_>	thedj: theres a post somewhere on en.wiki requesting that the broken code be dealt with
[12:58:41] <Splarka>	Jimmy_xu_wrk: http://zh.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%E8%9F%B2%E6%97%8F_(%E6%98%9F%E6%B5%B7%E7%88%AD%E9%9C%B8)&diff=11266534&oldid=11190767
[12:59:26] <Jimmy_xu_wrk>	Whoop
[12:59:42] <Jimmy_xu_wrk>	But why can a conversion tag cause that indentation
[13:00:05] <Splarka>	minimal test case:
[13:00:06] <Splarka>	==Foo==
[13:00:06] <Splarka>	-{zh-hans:baz; zh-hant:baz;}
[13:00:06] <Splarka>	==Bar==
[13:00:18] <Splarka>	because it is an unclosed tag
[13:00:38] <Splarka>	it absorbs everything until it sees a }- which causes an uneven set of </dd></dl>
[13:00:48] <Splarka>	apparently
[13:00:56] <thedj>	p858snake_: ?
[13:01:01] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) The parser isn't closing its own tags - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20849  +comment (10xu.jimmy.wrk)
[13:01:18] <Splarka>	p858snake_: <Splarka> thedj: still have editinterface? did ya take a peek at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#How_to_remove_a_harmful_script_template.3F ? <thedj> Mike Lifeguard had already taken care of it.
[13:01:19] <p858snake_>	thedj: the toolbar code on zh
[13:01:23] <Splarka>	?
[13:01:26] <Splarka>	ahh k
[13:01:47] <Splarka>	Jimmy_xu_wrk: it might stil be a valid bug in the parser
[13:02:00] <Jimmy_xu_wrk>	Woo... Maybe another bug.. 
[13:02:00] <thedj>	p858snake_: i have seen this bug before. might be intermittant.
[13:02:02] <Splarka>	the precedence is odd in its failure mode
[13:02:47] <Splarka>	::foo becomes <dl><dd><dl><dd>foo</dd></dl></dd></dl>
[13:03:03] <Splarka>	::foo<!--\n::foo--> simply becomes the same
[13:03:42] <Splarka>	but ::foo-{\n::foo\n::-{foo}-\n::foo becomes <dl><dd><dl><dd>foo<dl><dd><dl><dd>foo</dd></dl></dd></dl>
[13:03:52] <Splarka>	(or something similarly bad)
[13:04:06] *Jimmy_xu_wrk 	cret
[13:04:06] <^demon>	Heh. My UT page on enwiki has been getting a bunch of drive-by anon test edits and stuff.
[13:04:10] <Jimmy_xu_wrk>	creating an af
[13:04:58] <Splarka>	you might reopen https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20849 with "malformed variant switches eat closing tags" or such
[13:05:59] <Jimmy_xu_wrk>	Fine. And maybe AbuseFilter will do some help for detecting these..
[13:06:40] <wikibugs>	03(mod) CentralAuth global session doesn't include incubator - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14407  (10catlow)
[13:08:32] <Splarka>	hmm, I wonder if it could
[13:09:18] <Jimmy_xu_wrk>	action == "edit" & (count("-{", new_wikitext) != count("}-", new_wikitext))
[13:10:08] <Splarka>	would also force people to fix such problems on pages that already have them if they wanna edit?
[13:10:26] <Splarka>	(or would you just have it give warning, or silently tag?)
[13:10:27] <Jimmy_xu_wrk>	Yep
[13:10:42] <Splarka>	hmm
[13:10:45] <Splarka>	you could set up two filters
[13:11:00] <Jimmy_xu_wrk>	Just tag those old ones?
[13:11:04] <Splarka>	one that warns if the match in old_wikitext is ==, but != in new_wikitext
[13:11:09] <Splarka>	and one that tags if they are both inequal
[13:11:55] <Jimmy_xu_wrk>	maybe add_lines
[13:14:05] <Emufarmers>	Couldn't you just use edit_diff?
[13:15:23] <Jimmy_xu_wrk>	unfamiliar with that :(
[13:23:53] <hippietrail>	RoanKattouw: it was case insensitivity that caused the wrong results before
[13:24:18] <RoanKattouw>	Oh OK
[13:25:20] <wikibugs>	03(mod) abuse-filter-view-private granted to admins on enwiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20769  +comment (10xenowiki)
[13:25:27] <hippietrail>	doing case sensitive string equality check looks like a pain
[13:25:38] <RoanKattouw>	You mean insensitive
[13:26:22] <hippietrail>	no i want to do case sensitive but it is doing insensitive
[13:27:11] <hippietrail>	i'm using varchar like mediawiki uses
[13:27:19] <wikibugs>	03(mod) IE8 cuts off floating content under Modern - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20848  (10gsvick)
[13:27:28] <RoanKattouw>	Different collation perhaps
[13:28:06] <Duesentrieb>	hippietrail: char comparison is insensitive in mysql per default - unless you specify otherwise in the collation
[13:28:09] <hippietrail>	yeah. ick
[13:28:34] <hippietrail>	when you say "in the collation" do you mean when i define the db or at select time?
[13:29:04] <RoanKattouw>	No at DB / table define time
[13:29:20] <RoanKattouw>	I'm not a MySQL expert, not sure how to verify that
[13:29:30] <RoanKattouw>	You could try binary(255) instead of varchar(255) though
[13:29:38] <hippietrail>	hmm ugly i may want to do both kinds of comparison at some point
[13:30:04] <TimStarling>	you mean varbinary(255)
[13:30:16] <TimStarling>	binary(255) is padded with zeros to exactly 255 chars
[13:30:17] <RoanKattouw>	Yeah what TimStarling said
[13:30:20] <RoanKattouw>	Oh oops :P
[13:30:36] <RoanKattouw>	hippietrail: Two fields then?
[13:30:47] <hippietrail>	i mustve got wrong results i didnt notice before on mediawikis page_title fild which is varchar(255)
[13:31:31] <hippietrail>	looks like another reason to do it with a data structure instead of a db \-:
[13:33:05] <sputnick>	hi there
[13:33:34] <^demon>	Wheee just got my key & svn copy setup on the new boxen :)
[13:34:01] <sputnick>	are you experiended some php-5.3.0 errors like "Parse error: syntax error, unexpected T_NAMESPACE, expecting T_STRING" ? I'm running apache 2.2.13 on archlinux
[13:34:24] <sputnick>	I have blank pages instead of my wiki
[13:34:37] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Remove deprecated akeytt() - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20847   +easy +need-review +patch (10hartman)
[13:34:37] <Emufarmers>	What version of MediaWiki are you using?
[13:35:09] <RoanKattouw>	sputnick: You may need to upgrade MediaWiki
[13:35:23] <sputnick>	I rename all "Namespace::" by "Namespace2::" but still no luck ( refer to http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual_talk:Streamlined_Windows_Install_Guide#Parse_error_during_first_setup_of_Wiki I wrote for unix part )
[13:35:35] <sputnick>	mediawiki-1.10.1
[13:36:28] <Platonides>	update
[13:36:37] <Platonides>	latest version is 1.15.1
[13:36:53] <sputnick>	ok, I'm doing that right now...
[13:38:29] <Platonides>	why would you install a wiki on a release more than 2 years old, which is unsupported and has security issues?
[13:39:01] <LauraHale>	Because the host has that as a default install?
[13:39:33] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Title of page with foreign characters in Wikipedia Mobile - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20311  +comment (10hartman)
[13:39:44] <Platonides>	stab the admin :P
[13:42:15] <wikibugs>	03(mod) "Find" function for Wikipedia Mobile - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20146  +comment (10hartman)
[13:43:34] <MaxSem>	!ancient
[13:43:34] --mwbot--	I don't know anything about "ancient".
[13:43:38] <MaxSem>	good
[13:43:45] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Reference links should open reference section in Wikipedia Mobile - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20051  +comment (10hartman)
[13:44:03] <CIA-12>	03catrope * r57016 10/trunk/extensions/UsabilityInitiative/EditToolbar/ (4 files): EditToolbar: (bug 20845) Don't let users insert arbitrarily large tables the generation and insertion of which hangs the browser. Limit tables at 1000 cells (i.e. rows*cols <= 1000)
[13:45:11] <TimStarling>	why would it hang the browser?
[13:45:20] <TimStarling>	1000 cells isn't very many
[13:45:41] <TimStarling>	I guess it's quite a lot to insert with an edit toolbar
[13:45:56] <RoanKattouw>	1000 isn't very many, a million is
[13:46:09] <RoanKattouw>	The reported attempted to insert a million cells
[13:46:30] <TimStarling>	and it does it in the onclick handler?
[13:46:33] <MaxSem>	!ancient is Old MediaWiki versions may have bugs and security vulnerabilities, we don't recommend you to use any release older than 1 year. See <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Version_lifecycle> for details.
[13:46:33] --mwbot--	Successfully added keyword: ancient
[13:46:37] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Title of page with foreign characters in Wikipedia Mobile - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20311  (10hartman)
[13:46:50] <RoanKattouw>	TimStarling: No, in a dialog
[13:46:51] <MaxSem>	!oldversion alias ancient
[13:46:51] --mwbot--	Successfully added alias: oldversion
[13:46:54] <LauraHale>	Is 1000 really the limit?
[13:47:10] <RoanKattouw>	LauraHale: Only for *inserting* tables with the new *dialog*
[13:47:36] <TimStarling>	so onsubmit then?
[13:47:39] <RoanKattouw>	Of course you're free to create huge tables in wikitext, but we don't want people to accidentally ask the dialog for a 10,000x10,000 table and wait ages for their browser to generate it
[13:47:52] <RoanKattouw>	TimStarling: Sort of, it's an onclick on a button in the dialog
[13:48:08] <RoanKattouw>	I guess I could try to eachAsync() it
[13:53:40] <RoanKattouw>	TimStarling: Do you have a better suggestion? Even if I do generate it asynchronously (which looks like it's gonna be a fair bit of trouble), generating a million rows is gonna take minutes
[13:54:06] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) AbuseFilter: ("Global_bot" in user_groups) or similar doesn't work (CentralAuth/SUL) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20850 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: AbuseFilter; (Wiki.Melancholie)
[13:57:06] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Insert Table : Browser is not responding when huge table is inserted - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20845  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[13:57:21] <wikibugs>	03(mod) AbuseFilter: ("Global_bot" in user_groups) or similar doesn't work (CentralAuth/SUL) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20850  (10Wiki.Melancholie)
[13:58:34] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) AbuseFilter: - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20851 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: AbuseFilter; (Wiki.Melancholie)
[14:00:48] <TimStarling>	RoanKattouw: no, it's fine
[14:05:31] <wikibugs>	03(mod) AbuseFilter: "Lines added in edit" (added_lines) shows old lines, not added; same oddity for "unified diff" (edit_diff) and "Lines removed in edit" (removed_lines) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20851  summary; +comment (10Wiki.Melancholie)
[14:09:19] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Bold/italic markup handled differently depending on leading whitespace - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18765  +comment (10Platonides)
[14:09:31] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Bold/italic markup handled differently depending on leading whitespace - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18765   +parser (10Platonides)
[14:09:51] <Platonides>	TimStarling, you may want to review 18765, since it deals with the parser
[14:12:46] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Text Overlap - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20640  +comment (10hartman)
[14:14:16] <wikibugs>	03(mod) AbuseFilter: "Lines added in edit" (added_lines) shows old lines, not added; same oddity for "unified diff" (edit_diff) and "Lines removed in edit" (removed_lines) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20851   +code-update-regression; +comment (10Wiki.Melancholie)
[14:17:36] <TimStarling>	I've never reviewed that code you're patching
[14:18:43] <wikibugs>	03(mod) AbuseFilter: "Lines added in edit" (added_lines) shows old lines, not added; same oddity for "unified diff" (edit_diff) and "Lines removed in edit" (removed_lines) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20851  +comment (10Wiki.Melancholie)
[14:19:03] <djmaster>	hi, I have this error in my installation of mediawiki 1.12.0 in debian 5.0. Can anyone help with a solution.http://dpaste.org/9wBz/
[14:19:23] <RoanKattouw>	!oldversion | djmaster 
[14:19:23] --mwbot--	djmaster: Old MediaWiki versions may have bugs and security vulnerabilities, we don't recommend you to use any release older than 1 year. See <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Version_lifecycle> for details.
[14:20:06] <RoanKattouw>	The latest version is 1.15.1
[14:20:28] <djmaster>	umm.ok
[14:21:05] <djmaster>	then you have to install by hand all
[14:21:16] <RoanKattouw>	Yeah. It's pretty easy to do
[14:21:18] <RoanKattouw>	!install
[14:21:18] --mwbot--	Installing MediaWiki takes between 10 and 30 minutes, and involves uploading/copying files and running the installer script to configure the software. Full instructions can be found in the INSTALL file supplied in the distribution archive. An installation manual can also be found at <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Installation>. See also: !download
[14:21:56] <djmaster>	 I will try, 
[14:21:59] <MaxSem>	10 to 30? hilarious, 1 to 3
[14:22:28] <RoanKattouw>	Hey you gotta read the instructions in the installer wizard if it's your first time
[14:22:46] <MaxSem>	(post-install tweaks could take hours, but hey, it's a complex software after all)
[14:22:58] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Option to not do a global login - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20852 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: CentralAuth; (Platonides)
[14:23:38] <djmaster>	well let's see how long it takes my installation with postgresql
[14:24:35] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Option to not do a global login - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20852  (10vasilvv)
[14:27:23] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Option to not do a global login - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20852  (10Platonides)
[14:28:16] <djmaster>	thanks for the help, back soon
[14:58:52] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Bold/italic markup handled differently depending on leading whitespace - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18765  (10Platonides)
[15:40:42] <illyism>	Odd, Kaspersky Internet Security blocks is.gd.
[15:41:46] <Emufarmers>	hurr durr antivirus software
[15:42:41] <Emufarmers>	Any tinyURL service can be used to direct you anywhere; of course, the software is supposed to protect you from whatever nasties a page might have, not to keep you from getting to that page.
[15:56:10] <illyism>	That makes me think Kaspersky fails, it seems that it doesn't check the code on the site, but just checks the url of the site. So if a new site with similar/same bad code is loaded, Kaspersky won't block it.
[15:56:55] <illyism>	[17:37] Topic Kaspersky Internet Security 2010: message blocked. Reason: phishing or suspicious URL
[15:59:16] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Reference links should open reference section in Wikipedia Mobile - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20051  +comment (10hcatlin)
[16:00:07] <rubin16>	illyism it checks code itself and url, too
[16:00:36] <rubin16>	if various exploits are placed on one domain, it's good to block all the domain
[16:01:57] <CIA-12>	03mkroetzsch * r57017 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/includes/ (SMW_DV_NAry.php SMW_QueryParser.php): simplified query parsing code, printouts no longer supported in query strings
[16:06:16] <kevindanko>	anyone in here ever take any microsoft certifications?
[16:08:06] <illyism>	rubin16, aha.
[16:10:56] <stingeer>	Anyone using SOLR for a search engine.
[16:11:06] <stingeer>	Anyone using SOLR for a search engine?
[16:11:29] <TimStarling>	stingeer: we heard you the first time
[16:13:15] <svip>	Seems like he just wanted to fix his question mark.
[16:15:25] <stingeer>	Sorry about that....
[16:15:46] <macjunkie>	can someone shove me in the right direction? installed the math renderer and latex stuff from it displays fine in firefox but doesn't in IE or safari. take a look at http://sep.csumb.edu/wiki/index.php/Differentiation
[16:16:03] <macjunkie>	shows up as broken images in anything other than firefox
[16:16:03] <donaldr999>	anybody familiar with rpath mediawiki ?
[16:16:33] <donaldr999>	The virtual appliance crashed due to maxed hd space, now it won't work...
[16:19:04] <MaxSem>	macjunkie, it appears that you've set a wrong path somewhere
[16:19:04] <MaxSem>	<img class="tex" alt="\frac{dY}{dX}" src="/export/web/sep/wiki/math/0/5/7/057794e1f7132f4f685c38d57f8077bf.png" />
[16:19:37] <MaxSem>	http://sep.csumb.edu/export/web/sep/wiki/math/0/5/7/057794e1f7132f4f685c38d57f8077bf.png is a 404
[16:19:58] <macjunkie>	but why it would render right in firefox? 
[16:20:03] <macjunkie>	and not have the broken images?
[16:20:32] <macjunkie>	nm :)
[16:20:37] <macjunkie>	thanks :)
[16:20:55] <MaxSem>	heh
[16:28:49] <wikibugs>	03(mod) LocalisationCache Notice - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20837  (10brion)
[16:40:48] <djmaster>	hi, again. I intall the latest version of mediawiki, and I have this:  http://dpaste.org/jwGs/
[16:42:06] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enable/Add DST for Asia/Dhaka - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20835   +shell +upstream; +comment (10brion)
[16:42:18] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Timezone needs update - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17797  (10brion)
[16:43:04] <brion>	djmaster: are you sure your postgresql is not in fact 7.3?
[16:43:25] <brion>	i have some vague recollection the prob can be with the client libs sometimes too, but i'm not really up on pgsql setup issues
[16:44:44] <djmaster>	(brion) I have installed postgresql 8.3.7
[16:47:01] <brion>	djmaster: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=492825 <- a similar problem which turned out to be a bug in the SELinux configuration
[16:47:39] <djmaster>	looks http://dpaste.org/Ucrh/
[16:51:55] <djmaster>	(brion) I see
[16:53:43] <djmaster>	There is a solution for debian 5.0
[16:59:34] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Search & replace : User cannot UNDO text replacement in Opera - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20846  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[17:13:19] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) JS message mentions preferences for anons - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20853 trivial; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: UsabilityInitiative; (maxsem.wiki)
[17:30:16] <CIA-12>	03siebrand * r57018 10/trunk/phase3/js2/ajaxcategories.js: Fixes for IE per CR (http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/56032#c4178) and a few more in the same area.
[17:34:22] <CIA-12>	03catrope * r57019 10/trunk/extensions/UsabilityInitiative/EditWarning/EditWarning.i18n.php: EditWarning: (bug 20853) Tweak message to indicate that preferences are only for logged-in users
[17:35:06] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) JS message mentions preferences for anons - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20853  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[17:55:20] <CIA-12>	03happy-melon * r57020 10/trunk/phase3/ (54 files in 4 dirs): Recommit r56688 (tracking categories for __INDEX__ and __NOINDEX__).
[18:03:03] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) hardcoded "preview" in CodeReview - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20854 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: CodeReview; (umherirrender_de.wp)
[18:14:29] <CIA-12>	03thomasv * r57021 10/trunk/extensions/ProofreadPage/ProofreadPage.php: keep subtitle
[18:23:24] <SysRq868>	Is there a plugin or regular functionality to emulate str_replace() on MediaWiki?
[18:25:58] <brion>	SysRq868: you mean as a parserfunction for use in templates?
[18:26:06] <brion>	i think StringFunctions ext may have something along those lines
[18:29:51] <CIA-12>	03catrope * r57022 10/trunk/extensions/UsabilityInitiative/ (4 files in 3 dirs): NavigableTOC: When highlighting a section title in the NTOC that is not visible, scroll it into view.
[18:31:55] *ialex 	is going to kill PHP
[18:32:32] <guillom>	ialex, In Soviet Russia (and any other part of the world as well), PHP kills *you*
[18:32:53] <ialex>	guillom: that's a bit the case right now :D
[18:32:57] <Emufarmers>	I ate all my stroopwafels.  I don't know how I'll keep going. :(
[18:36:28] <CIA-12>	03ialex * r57023 10/trunk/phase3/includes/api/ApiParse.php: replaced split() with explode(), the former is deprecated since PHP 5.3
[18:42:02] <siebrand>	Brion Vibber leaving #wikimedia. Moving to #StatusNet as development lead -> http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2009-September/045498.html
[18:42:23] <afraidoftrees>	i imagine he'll still be on #wikimedia
[18:42:36] <siebrand>	that was a tweet :)
[18:43:03] <afraidoftrees>	i see.  (except not)
[18:43:16] *brion 	waves :)
[18:44:41] *siebrand 	hugs brion.
[18:45:08] *brion 	hugs siebrand back
[18:45:09] <brion>	aww
[18:45:44] <siebrand>	well, if MediaWiki's bottle neck cannot be resolved, take it away :)
[18:46:03] <brion>	hehe
[18:47:26] <MaxSem>	end of days. how many mortals will be needed for replacement, 3? 5?
[18:56:36] <brion>	i'm thinking a cadre of code ninjas
[18:59:55] <ThomasV>	brion: we'll miss you
[19:00:01] <brion>	awwww
[19:00:19] <ThomasV>	awwwwwwwww
[19:00:45] <ThomasV>	things will break apart if you go
[19:02:50] <MacMed>	for someone who wants to start development (as a newbie) is it best to download the stable version or the latest SVN source code
[19:02:50] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enable site logo displaying according to user language - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20807  (10brion)
[19:03:50] <brion>	MacMed: i'd generally recommend getting into the svn dev trunk as quick as you can; if you want any patches committed they'll need to be workable on the current code
[19:04:07] <MacMed>	okay, thanks
[19:04:08] <brion>	when making patches against an older release you're more likely to end up with something that's harder to fix up later
[19:04:25] <CIA-12>	03happy-melon * r57024 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ (ExternalUser.php HTMLForm.php): 
[19:04:25] <CIA-12>	Recommit some of the 'backend' stuff from the Login branch, after talking with Brion:
[19:04:25] <CIA-12>	* ExternalUser::getLocalUser() from r56683
[19:04:25] <CIA-12>	* Documentation and style tweaks for HTMLForm from r56682
[19:04:25] <CIA-12>	* HTMLForm::add{HiddenField|(Pre|Post|Header)Text|Button}() functions, from 56782 and r56896.
[19:04:28] <CIA-12>	Frontend stuff will wait until after 1.16 is branched.
[19:05:02] <MacMed>	and also, for patches made prior to receiving commit access should just be attached to the relevant bug?
[19:06:51] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Remove deprecated akeytt() - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20847  +comment (10brion)
[19:10:03] <Happy-melon>	MacMed: yup
[19:10:09] <MacMed>	alright
[19:10:15] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Put in Google Chrome Frame tags - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20830  +comment (10brion)
[19:13:14] <wikibugs>	03(mod) urls of the form wiki/article?curid=something should be indexable by robots on wikinews - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20818  (10brion)
[19:13:42] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Creation of a new namespace in pt.wiktionary - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20817  (10brion)
[19:13:58] <MacMed>	last question: any ideas for a free webserver i can use to test changes?
[19:14:10] <MacMed>	<s>ideas</s> suggestions
[19:14:18] <brion>	apache?
[19:14:21] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Flickr2commons has stopped working since the upload bug a week ago - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20815  +comment (10brion)
[19:14:37] <MacMed>	i mean hosting
[19:16:22] <Avruch>	brion: :( 
[19:16:23] <LauraHale>	No idea for hosting.
[19:16:59] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Basic XML Feed support for watchlist (implementation idea: token) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=471  +comment (10brion)
[19:17:04] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) Watchlist RSS feed: Difficul to subscribe + Security suggestion - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20840  +comment (10brion)
[19:17:23] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Basic XML Feed support for watchlist (implementation idea: token) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=471  +comment (10brion)
[19:20:12] <Luxo>	MacMed: hosting on your own pc? 
[19:20:41] <MacMed>	Luxo: not sure what you mean?
[19:21:41] <Luxo>	for test issues, you can install a apache server on your pc 
[19:21:52] <MacMed>	how large is it?
[19:21:56] *MacMed 	works from a laptop
[19:22:23] <MacMed>	and only has about 1.5 gigs left
[19:27:39] <MacMed>	Luxo: ^
[19:30:13] <Luxo>	MacMed: should be no problem, apache uses only some mb's... you can also use http://www.apachefriends.org/en/xampp.html for a easy installation.
[19:30:24] <MacMed>	ty
[19:30:53] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) A noneditor reverting his own edit should cause an automatic flag - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20855 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: FlaggedRevs; (pbirken)
[19:30:57] <MacMed>	final question :P how come Manual:Special Pages says you need 4 files, but phase3/includes/specials/ only has 1 for each
[19:31:34] <afraidoftrees>	MacMed: core special pages are different from extensions
[19:31:43] <MacMed>	ah
[19:31:55] <MacMed>	so the files should be in /extensions/MySpecialPage
[19:31:58] <MacMed>	gotcha
[19:32:18] <afraidoftrees>	!e UnicodeConvertor
[19:32:18] --mwbot--	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:UnicodeConvertor
[19:32:31] <afraidoftrees>	hm
[19:58:31] <kim__>	brion is out to lunch... :-)
[19:58:59] <LauraHale>	And has a new job.
[19:58:59] <MaxSem>	...and then simply out...
[20:02:18] <kim__>	I wanted to shake his hand, virtually speaking
[20:02:35] <kim__>	I thought he'd still be around 'till mid october?
[20:02:45] <kim__>	and once a week 'till december?
[20:09:28] <kim__>	but I did wanna say bye! :-)
[20:12:11] <Duesentrieb>	...uh?
[20:12:46] <kim__>	Hi Duesentrieb !
[20:12:55] <Duesentrieb>	hey kim
[20:13:08] <kim__>	How are you today?
[20:13:37] <kim__>	Wie gehts, herr Kinsler? ;-)
[20:15:16] <Nikerabbit>	I see Brion Vibber in quit message :o
[20:16:22] <dira>	anybody here has experience with LiquidThreads ? 
[20:17:11] <Nikerabbit>	yes and no
[20:17:56] <dira>	I simply installed the extension (http://projects.knowledgatic.org/Special:Version) , and I get this error while trying to reply posts on discussion page
[20:18:44] <dira>	and error http://pastebin.com/m571b2588
[20:19:18] <Nikerabbit>	not sure about the error
[20:19:38] <Nikerabbit>	but I do know that lqt has gone trough lot of changes recently
[20:20:37] <dira>	I'm using version 1.2
[20:22:14] <dira>	nikerabbit: which version are you using ?
[20:22:22] <RoanKattouw>	!ancient | dira
[20:22:22] --mwbot--	dira: Old MediaWiki versions may have bugs and security vulnerabilities, we don't recommend you to use any release older than 1 year. See <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Version_lifecycle> for details.
[20:22:30] <Nikerabbit>	I'm not
[20:22:34] <Nikerabbit>	RoanKattouw: read again
[20:23:02] <RoanKattouw>	?
[20:23:24] <Nikerabbit>	anyway, I do know there is probably many bugs in *lqt* 1.2, which are now fixed in trunk, but not yet released
[20:23:25] <dira>	RoanLattouw, what is outdated ?
[20:23:38] <RoanKattouw>	Oh, right
[20:23:45] <RoanKattouw>	You're using *lqt* 1.2 with MW 1.15.1
[20:23:47] <RoanKattouw>	Sorry, my bad
[20:24:45] <dira>	I just installed lqt trunk version and it didn't work dumping "magic word" error so I shifted back to latest stable version 
[20:25:08] <RoanKattouw>	LQT trunk probably requires MW trunk as well
[20:25:10] <MacMed>	if i'm using xml to add buttons to a SpecialPage, can i use regular <radio> or is there diff syntax
[20:25:42] <dira>	when MW 1.16 gonna be released ?
[20:25:52] <RoanKattouw>	When it's done
[20:27:47] <CIA-12>	03leonsp * r57025 10/trunk/phase3/maintenance/ibm_db2/tables.sql: 
[20:27:47] <CIA-12>	MediaWiki database schema for IBM DB2
[20:27:47] <CIA-12>	* removed all foreign keys not in MySQL schema
[20:27:47] <CIA-12>	* reordered implicit order of columns in archive table to match MySQL
[20:27:47] <CIA-12>	* added missing ss_active_users column to site_stats table
[20:27:48] <CIA-12>	* added missing ipb_allow_usertalk column to ipblocks table
[20:27:54] *brion 	shakes kim_bruning 
[20:28:08] *kim_bruning 	waves brion 
[20:28:11] <kim_bruning>	hi brion
[20:28:15] <brion>	ahhh earthquake ;)
[20:28:17] <kim_bruning>	hi from tom too
[20:28:29] <kim_bruning>	sorry to hear your headed for greener pastures
[20:28:34] <kim_bruning>	for some definition of green.
[20:28:40] <kim_bruning>	have a lot of fun! :-)
[20:29:03] <kim_bruning>	we'll still see you around though, right? :-)
[20:32:43] <Reedy>	I reckon the WMF will barricade him in his office xD
[20:35:05] <brion>	oh yeah you'll still see me right nere :)
[20:40:52] <kim_bruning>	cool!
[20:41:47] <Emufarmers>	Bah, I take a nap and this happens
[20:44:34] *Emufarmers 	lassos brion
[20:48:12] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Create a wiki for the Finnish chapter Wikimedia Suomi - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20502  (10str4nd)
[21:06:04] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) protected titles no longer showing permission error - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20856 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: Page protection; (dannychia)
[21:09:16] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Flickr2commons has stopped working since the upload bug a week ago - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20815  +comment (10pku)
[21:15:34] <CIA-12>	03aaron * r57026 10/branches/wmf-deployment/extensions/FlaggedRevs/maintenance/updateStats.inc: merged r56315
[21:20:39] <AaronSchulz>	too many upload regressions
[21:29:02] <bernie>	hello, is there an easy way to dump the currently active namespaces along with their IDs?  I'm trying to track down a bug with SemanticForms
[21:29:55] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Oracle support - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=652  (10marcusminervino)
[21:30:17] <bernie>	oracle support??  that's sick :-)
[21:31:54] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Oracle support - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=652  (10marcusminervino)
[21:36:43] <Platonides>	bernie, visit [[Special:Export/FooBar]]
[21:38:50] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Oracle support - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=652  +comment (10Platonides)
[21:42:13] <CIA-12>	03aaron * r57027 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/maintenance/updateStats.inc: Query optimizations
[21:43:04] <RoanKattouw>	bernie: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&meta=siteinfo&siprop=namespaces|namespacealiases
[21:43:09] <CIA-12>	03aaron * r57028 10/branches/wmf-deployment/extensions/FlaggedRevs/maintenance/updateStats.inc: merged r57027
[21:44:41] <CIA-12>	03siebrand * r57029 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/groups/OpenStreetMap/OpenStreetMap.yml: Update code map
[22:02:30] <Splarka>	hmm, per https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20818  ... the problem is the purging if they did get cached eh?
[22:08:20] <Nikerabbit>	hi Splarka 
[22:09:39] <Splarka>	r
[22:15:45] <AndersL>	My Mediawiki installation says "Error deleting file: Could not create directory "deleted/d/e/r". " when I try to delete a file - even though that folder has been created on the server. permissions on the upload folder are 777. Any ideas?
[22:16:12] <brion>	AndersL: is php safe_mode on?
[22:16:20] <AndersL>	Yes
[22:16:30] <AndersL>	My server admins insisted
[22:19:13] <brion>	AndersL: bah... safe_mode usually interferes with hashed subdirectories
[22:20:03] <brion>	try setting $wgFileStore['deleted']['hash'] = 1;
[22:20:11] <brion>	or... $wgFileStore['deleted']['hash'] = 0; rather
[22:20:27] <brion>	that'll put things straight in the deleted subdir
[22:21:17] <Emufarmers>	But if that's the problem, why is uploading working? (unless he's already set $wgHashedUploadDirectory = false)
[22:22:02] <AndersL>	Thanks! Uploading is *not* working though - and I HAD set $wgHashedUploadDirectory = false
[22:22:15] <AndersL>	*testing solution*
[22:23:01] <AndersL>	brion: Thanks, the deletion now works without problems!
[22:23:28] <brion>	w00t
[22:26:08] <CIA-12>	03tparscal * r57030 10/trunk/phase3/ (10 files in 5 dirs): (log message trimmed)
[22:26:08] <CIA-12>	Refactored the watch/unwatch icon for Vector.
[22:26:08] <CIA-12>	1. Changed from using an image to a div with background images.
[22:26:08] <CIA-12>	2. Redesigned the star icon, and implemented it as a sprite with unique watched/unwatch and normal/hover versions.
[22:26:08] <CIA-12>	3. Designed custom spinning star icon - used while waiting for server to respond.
[22:26:12] <CIA-12>	4. Added $wgVectorUseIconWatch setting to default preferences (defaults to false) and added support for enabling and disabling the feature.
[22:26:15] <CIA-12>	5. Got rid of old now unused icons.
[22:26:54] <Emufarmers>	Was $wgFileStore meant to be used for more stuff?  It seems like a rather silly setting, since it corresponds to three different $wgUpload variables.
[22:28:57] <AndersL>	Hey, now uploading is working fine - I swear the $wgHashedUploadDirectory = false was set already, but not the wgFileStore setting
[22:29:04] <brion>	Emufarmers: originally it was going to be extended to cover all file uploads, but then tim ended up writing a new class that was a bit more flexible (the FileRepo stuff)
[22:29:08] <AndersL>	Anyway, THANKS!
[22:29:18] <brion>	we really should finish migrating deleted files to it ;)
[22:29:22] <CIA-12>	03nimishg * r57031 10/trunk/extensions/UsabilityInitiative/ClickTracking/ (5 files): Special:Clicktracking changed (correctly) so only Admins have access, while in-progress
[22:30:33] <CIA-12>	03nimishg * r57032 10/trunk/extensions/UsabilityInitiative/ClickTracking/ (ClickTracking.hooks.php ClickTracking.php): Clicktracking, set up by default now to be off
[22:36:48] <cirwin>	if I don't set the timeout for a memcache entry, do I need to re-set it when I get it to keep it alive?
[22:37:28] <RoanKattouw>	No, no timeout means forever
[22:37:44] <CIA-12>	03siebrand * r57033 10/trunk/phase3/ (22 files in 2 dirs): Localisation updates for core messages from translatewiki.net (2009-09-28 21:52 UTC)
[22:38:14] <cirwin>	ok, thanks
[22:38:36] *cirwin 	assumed that eventually it would die from timing out
[22:38:45] <cirwin>	or getting ousted by other things
[22:43:06] <CIA-12>	03tparscal * r57034 10/trunk/phase3/skins/vector/ (main-ltr.css main-rtl.css): Oops! The on/off states of the star icon were backwards!
[22:45:38] <CIA-12>	03siebrand * r57035 10/trunk/extensions/ (50 files in 48 dirs): Localisation updates for extension messages from translatewiki.net (2009-09-28 21:52 UTC)
[22:49:42] <CIA-12>	03tparscal * r57036 10/trunk/phase3/includes/DefaultSettings.php: Inc $wgStyleVersion to reflect changes in r57030 and r57034 (watch/unwatch icon refactor)
[22:55:36] <^demon>	"...it will air during Supreme Court Week, which starts October 11"
[22:55:47] <^demon>	We have a Supreme Court week?
[22:57:18] <Emufarmers>	Perhaps C-Span or whoever you're talking about does?
[22:57:35] <^demon>	Yeah, CNN was talking about an interview that's going to be shown on CSPAN
[22:58:10] <Kunda>	if i just place a <ref name="fnord" /> footnote somewhere in my article,  then make <references /><ref name="fnord" />text about the footnote</ref></references> why would I get #
[22:58:11] <Kunda>	   1. ↑ Cite error: Invalid <ref> tag; no text was provided for refs named fnord 
[22:58:46] <^demon>	Kunda: <ref name="fnord" />text about the footnote</ref> isn't right. You don't need the / after "fnord"
[22:58:53] <^demon>	Use <ref name="fnord">text about the footnote</ref>
[22:59:05] <Natalie>	There's a Monday....
[22:59:15] <kim_bruning>	if you DO put the / after thefnord, you're saying something totally different
[22:59:21] <kim_bruning>	(ps. I can see the fnords? ;-) )
[22:59:35] *Kunda 	scratches head...moment
[23:00:46] <^demon>	Natalie: I've already set my Tivo ;-)
[23:00:51] <Kunda>	kim, (ps. then they can eat you :) )
[23:01:11] <Kunda>	i didn't copy my problem correctly.. i upped the whole thing to a pastebin.  http://pastebin.ca/1583384
[23:01:32] <^demon>	Natalie: If you put <ref name="something /> you mean it's a self-contained tag, and the </ref> isn't parsed as anything important (technically it's a closing tag w/o an opening one). So when you want to declare the actual ref, you don't need to close the opening tag.
[23:01:41] <^demon>	ie: <ref name="something">Some text</ref>
[23:01:47] <CIA-12>	03siebrand * r57037 10/trunk/extensions/UsabilityInitiative/ClickTracking/ (ClickTracking.i18n.php SpecialClickTracking.php): Attempt to keep message keys a little more unique to prevent future key conflicts.
[23:01:55] <^demon>	Kunda: That was meant for you, not Natalie.
[23:01:59] <Natalie>	:-)
[23:02:24] <Kunda>	^demon, yea.  I had it in the format you just wrote... and it's still bitching at me
[23:02:38] *^demon 	shrugs
[23:03:00] <^demon>	Putting <ref> inside <references> is pretty new anyway...might be a bug with that.
[23:03:03] <CIA-12>	03siebrand * r57038 10/trunk/extensions/UsabilityInitiative/ClickTracking/ClickTracking.i18n.php: Fix syntax error in r57037
[23:07:46] <Kunda>	^demon, just want to make sure we are on the same page.   I have: 
[23:07:46] <Kunda>	==== Articles in peer-reviewed journals<ref name="wikipedia"/> ====  and then somewhere mid-article I have: #
[23:07:46] <Kunda>	<references />
[23:07:46] <Kunda>	<ref name="wikipedia">Sourced from [[Wikipedia:Stephen_Porges]].</ref></references>
[23:08:09] <Kunda>	are you saying that my error can be a bug?
[23:08:38] <svip>	Kunda: Your XML syntax sucks.
[23:08:57] <svip>	How can you end references when you have no opened it?
[23:08:58] <^demon>	Kunda: Possibly. Also try not closing <references />
[23:09:03] <^demon>	Leave it open until </references>
[23:09:19] <Kunda>	k
[23:16:04] <Kunda>	Cite error: Invalid <references> tag; no input is allowed. Use <references /> 
[23:17:31] <Kunda>	I'm just going to try <references> at the end of the article 
[23:20:49] <Kunda>	i'm just going to resign from using <ref name=""> thanks for the help anyway
[23:21:04] <CIA-12>	03brion * r57039 10/branches/wmf-deployment/extensions/UsabilityInitiative/ (43 files in 13 dirs): Merge UsabilityInitiative updates through r57038
[23:27:17] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Remove deprecated akeytt() - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20847  +comment (10hartman)
[23:50:04] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Please create a list for Commons Oversighters and those needing oversight action on commons - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20819  (10Tiptoety)
[23:52:09] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Please create a list for Commons Oversighters and those needing oversight action on commons - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20819  (10cbass)