[00:12:34] 03(NEW) Checkuser erroneously reporting "too many items" error - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20857 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: CheckUser; (FT2.wiki) [00:17:13] 03(mod) Checkuser erroneously reporting "too many items" error - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20857 +comment (10FT2.wiki) [00:19:25] 03nimishg * r57040 10/trunk/extensions/UsabilityInitiative/UserDailyContribs/UserDailyContribs.hooks.php: MySQL 4.0 compatible now [00:26:20] 03nimishg * r57041 10/trunk/extensions/UsabilityInitiative/UserDailyContribs/UserDailyContribs.hooks.php: made updating the default, on fail insert [00:55:45] installation problem: installing mediawiki on free web host, I can't find LocalSettings.php in the config folder [00:55:56] it's not in the config folder [00:56:15] It's created by running config/index.php [00:56:18] you need to run the installer, which is in the config folder [00:56:19] thats what the installation says [00:56:24] i ran it [00:56:41] visit wikitools.zzl.org/MediaWiki/index.php [00:56:55] whoops [00:56:59] just needed a refresh [00:57:01] sorry [00:59:01] gah [00:59:04] errors, errors [00:59:25] www.wikitools.zzl.org/MediaWiki/index.php/Special:SpecialPages [01:00:37] Don't run trunk. [01:01:36] so download and install stable instead? [01:02:23] Yes. [01:02:48] alright [01:17:06] 03(mod) Checkuser erroneously reporting "too many items" error - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20857 (10JSchulz_4587) [01:23:17] <^demon> Hehe, there's a Mediawiki package in macports. [01:23:23] *^demon wonders if it will work out of the box. [01:24:27] 03conrad * r57042 10/trunk/extensions/Transliterator/Transliterator.php: Cache list of all maps [01:31:03] 03(mod) Unordered list after
ed heading contains additional
  • s - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20829 (10rockmfr) [01:36:38] 03(mod) XSLT parameter to API queries - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19528 +comment (10bawolff+wn) [02:14:23] woah, there's 3 of me? [02:17:45] the page [[]] [02:17:47] gah [02:18:18] the page [[ALUMINIUM PHOSPHIDE POISONING]] on enwiki is giving me the autofill deletion reason of "[[WP:CSD#G12|G12]]: Unambiguous [[WP:C|copyright infringement]] of UNIQ47d407a221b64688-nowiki-00000000-QINU" [02:18:57] mmmm, strip markers [02:19:49] yup (but the phrase "strip markers" is about all I know past that it's ugly :p ) [02:20:09] anyway, killed the page because it was copyvio [02:20:59] hmm, that phrase doesn't appear on MediaWiki:Deletereason-dropdown with a trailing 'of' [02:22:18] the JS might have something to do with it [02:22:43] Nihiltres: can you paste (or pastebin) the content of the delete tag (not any of the copyvio) from the deleted page? [02:23:06] http://www.wikitools.zzl.org/TestWiki/index.php [02:23:29] issue with mediawiki installaion ^ [02:24:00] hi, what is the command to add an image / logo / text / link to the bottom of every page, right by the "Powered by MediaWiki" button? [02:24:11] Splarka: the template call, you mean? or what? [02:24:14] yah [02:24:24] !footer | DanielTahar [02:24:24] --mwbot-- DanielTahar: For changing the page footer, see the FAQ (!) . More information at http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Footer and http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Skinning#Footer [02:24:43] there isn't really any "Command" to modify the footer, though some aspects are customizable [02:24:45] {{db-cv|url=http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/797209/aluminium_phosphide_poisoning_symptoms.html?cat=70}} [02:24:55] index.php is all warning [02:24:55] thank you [02:24:58] *warnings [02:25:18] uugh.... bitfield.... guess I'll need to learn how to use this -sigh- [02:25:28] Nihiltres: yah, it's that [02:25:46] yeah, that looks to be the problem [02:26:40] http://www.wikitools.zzl.org/TestWiki/index.php [02:26:44] ah, see the user pasted in a url containing an = [02:27:46] and the = was interpreted as a parameter-=, so the user went overboard in escaping in the next edit by including both the parameter and a nowiki [02:28:51] will the ArticleSave hood catch new pages? or just edits to existing pages? [02:28:55] hook* [02:31:16] can anyone help me [02:31:27] How do I change the language for the entire wiki? I changed $WGLanguageCode, but it doens't change the strings -- just the left to right thing. [02:32:07] MacMed: fix the first error and the others will go away [02:32:33] Where is your wiki hosted? your own server or shared webhosting server? [02:32:50] shared webhosting [02:33:31] www.zymic.com [02:33:35] easy solution would be to contact your host and ask them if they can enable ini_set [02:33:41] 03(NEW) [[Special:Allmessages]] to allow filtering on name+contents, not just prefix - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20858 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: Special pages; (FT2.wiki) [02:33:59] unless mediawiki has a way of doing whatever it's doing a different way [02:34:05] is there any kind of workaround that i could use [02:34:14] 03(mod) [[Special:Allmessages]] to allow filtering on name+contents, not just prefix - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20858 +comment (10FT2.wiki) [02:34:32] Not sure, I've only been usign mediawiki for a month [02:34:41] anyone else know? [02:35:29] 03(mod) Navigable TOC : Full page name is not displayed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20599 +babaco (10nkomura) [02:35:29] i'm having a look... [02:37:41] hmm... dont know if there is a work around... do you know php? [02:38:59] actually that wouldnt help. [02:39:28] the php is just a function [02:39:40] but for some reason the function is disable [02:39:42] d [02:40:28] When i'm looking at the footer settings, I see the array with "'lastmod', 'viewcount', 'numberofwatchingusers', 'credits', 'copyright',". If I want to add something, let's call it 'powered_2', how do I add the actual content to it? I want to add another image, without removing any of the existing footer settings [02:40:45] I assume I add 'powered_2' to the line in monobook.php [02:40:47] but then what? [02:47:47] Splarka: any ideas about MacMed's question? [02:48:19] nein [02:48:26] 03(NEW) KO.WP needs a mailing list, WikiKO-l. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20859 enhancement; Normal; Wikimedia: Mailing lists; (rcheol) [02:55:54] can anyone help me with this... going to be using the "ArticleSave" hook and I wantto know what $text will be returning [03:01:52] 03dale * r57043 10/trunk/phase3/js2/mwEmbed/libEmbedVideo/embedVideo.js: ~ fixed playhead update issue [03:12:20] guess not [03:15:06] PHP scares me. [03:15:25] C/C#/C++ scares me [03:17:38] I think i've nearly got it... now I just need to figure out how to get the character count difference..... [03:19:38] I think I'll need to find someone who can help me... [03:27:11] hintswen__: You mean byte difference between revisions? [03:27:25] Or are you trying to actually count characters? [03:27:48] ...why are there bots on the flagged revs test wiki >.< [03:28:38] Natalie: yeah [03:28:47] byte difference i guess [03:28:57] whatever is in the recent changes list [03:29:10] There are two relevant columns in the revision table. [03:29:22] You don't have to calculate it yourself, just pull the columns and subtract. [03:29:34] !mw Revision table [03:29:34] --mwbot-- http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Search?search=Revision&go=Go [03:29:46] Useful bot. [03:30:05] rather not be accessing the database fot this... :( [03:30:26] Err, everything is in the DB... [03:30:47] for* and I mean not directly access it lol [03:31:00] trying to use a hook to call a function that generages a line very similar to the recent changed lines. [03:31:36] generates* helps if i an type properly lol [03:33:04] is there a inbuild function I can use to get the count? [03:33:10] inbuilt* [03:33:37] NFI. This is usually a pretty dead time in the channel. You gotta wait for the Aussies to get up. [03:33:56] aussies should be up, it's 1:34pm [03:34:01] I'm an aussie >.< [03:34:24] I'm sorry. [03:34:41] I guess i need to wait untill they all get back from work [03:35:11] I also have to figure out this bitfield thing for the flas :( [03:38:39] flags* [03:40:01] Natalie: do you know PHP? [03:40:13] Tim is the only important aussie around here afaik [03:40:13] Nope, sorry. [03:40:21] lol k [03:40:28] p858snake_: know PHP? :) [03:40:39] i know how to get it to echo something [03:40:46] hintswen is probably Tim incognito trolling for a CTO [03:41:07] CTO? lol [03:41:17] (*trolling = fishing) [03:41:52] I wanna know why these variables have & before the $ (eg on this page http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Hooks/ArticleSave ) [03:43:56] CTO == Chief Technical Officer. [03:44:34] aah k [03:57:07] If I want to create two seperate wikis, is there any way to create a shared upload area? kind of like the images wikipedia uses in different languages. [04:01:03] DanielTahar: interwiki transclusion i think it's called [04:01:36] *hintswen__ cant figure out why his extention isnt doing anything [04:02:04] thanks [04:04:02] !foreignfilerepos | DanielTahar [04:04:02] --mwbot-- DanielTahar: see http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgForeignFileRepos [04:04:07] for images [04:04:24] thats the one lol [04:04:45] er [04:04:47] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Wiki_family#Use_shared_files [04:04:52] I have mine set up to use wikicommons because I cant get svg's workon on mine!. I only use the flags anyway [04:06:04] BLAH!!! I need to make a log fileor something... [04:06:17] Now, another question. I doubt anyone ever used this, but maybe you have some creative idea. Let's say I have pages, and each page has an image. as i am still working on it, i'm open to having each page formatted / set up in any way needed for this. I want to be able to search, and that the search results won't only return the page name, but also the first image that appears on the page. [04:08:29] goodluck with that rofl [04:08:51] hahaha yeah that's what i figured... but come on think creatively... this will really help me (duh) [04:11:48] omg i'm an idiot [04:12:00] been sitting here wondering why my code doesnt work, wrong function name >.< [04:13:19] and yet it still doesnt work [04:22:42] 03(mod) Set WP namespace alias to NS_PROJECT in Bengali wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20367 (10jayantanth) [04:29:08] 03(NEW) [[Special:Allmessages]] to have direct (edit) link - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20860 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: Special pages; (FT2.wiki) [05:01:54] 03(mod) Links : Previously entered links are not refreshed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20566 +babaco; +comment (10wikibugs) [05:02:00] 03(mod) Links : Cursor moves out of Dialog when tab is clicked - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20567 +babaco; +comment (10wikibugs) [05:02:04] 03(mod) Navigable TOC : Cursor position is not visible when link is clicked - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20568 +babaco; +comment (10wikibugs) [05:02:08] 03(mod) Navigable TOC: Links are not highlighted when arrrow key is not released - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20569 +babaco; +comment (10wikibugs) [05:02:23] 03(mod) Navigable TOC : Section is not highlighted if section names are same - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20570 +babaco; +comment (10wikibugs) [05:02:28] 03(mod) Search & Replace : User is not acknoledged when text is replaced - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20581 +babaco; +comment (10wikibugs) [05:02:31] 03(mod) Search & Replace : Cursor shall be moved to replaced text position - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20582 +babaco; +comment (10wikibugs) [05:02:34] 03(mod) Search & Replace : Icon's tool tip shall be changed as 'Search and replace' - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20583 +babaco; +comment (10wikibugs) [05:02:37] 03(mod) Navigable TOC : Section is higlighted when cursor is moved out too - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20585 +babaco; +comment (10wikibugs) [05:02:40] 03(mod) Search & Replace : Navigable table of content is not changed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20584 +babaco; +comment (10wikibugs) [05:02:42] 03(mod) Search & Replace : Close shall be change as Cancel - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20586 +babaco; +comment (10wikibugs) [05:02:46] 03(mod) Links : Suggestion box does not appear properly - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20587 +babaco; +comment (10wikibugs) [05:02:49] 03(mod) Navigable TOC : Table is not refreshed when sections added using external editor - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20588 +babaco; +comment (10wikibugs) [05:03:05] 03(mod) Navigable TOC : Level 2 & 3 sections have same indentation - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20598 +babaco; +comment (10wikibugs) [05:03:07] 03(mod) Search & Replace : Regular expressions with * does not work - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20597 +babaco; +comment (10wikibugs) [05:03:10] 03(mod) Navigable TOC : Incorrect section is highlighted after a replace - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20600 +babaco; +comment (10wikibugs) [05:03:12] 03(mod) Navigable TOC : Full page name is not displayed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20599 (10wikibugs) [05:03:16] 03(mod) Navigable TOC: Wikitext in section titles not parsed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20602 +babaco; +comment (10wikibugs) [05:03:19] 03(mod) Navigable TOC : Browser isn't respond when click on edit area after selecting all text - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20604 +babaco; +comment (10wikibugs) [05:03:22] 03(mod) Insert, Replace buttons shall be triggered when enter key is pressed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20605 +babaco; +comment (10wikibugs) [05:03:27] 03(mod) Internal Links: Long page names are not displayed fully - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20606 +babaco; +comment (10wikibugs) [05:03:30] 03(mod) Internal links: Current pages shall not be listed as a suggestion - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20607 +babaco; +comment (10wikibugs) [05:03:51] 03(mod) Internal links: Cannot select a page from list using mouse click - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20617 +babaco; +comment (10wikibugs) [05:04:14] 03(mod) Navigable TOC : The functionality is missing - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20669 +babaco; +comment (10wikibugs) [05:04:29] 03(mod) IE 8 is getting stuck when page edit link is clicked - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20670 +babaco; +comment (10wikibugs) [05:04:31] 03(mod) User can insert links, insert tables with blank values - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20618 +babaco; +comment (10wikibugs) [05:04:34] 03(mod) Advanced toolbar is not available in IE 7 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20673 +babaco; +comment (10wikibugs) [05:04:40] 03(mod) Search & replace : Icon is not available in IE 6 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20676 +babaco; +comment (10wikibugs) [05:04:42] 03(mod) Sinhala :Warning is thrown when edit (සංස්කරණය කරන්න) link is clicked - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20683 +babaco; +comment (10wikibugs) [05:04:45] 03(mod) Sinhala : Language specific text are not available in dialogs - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20685 +babaco; +comment (10wikibugs) [05:04:48] 03(mod) Search & Replace: Cannot replace the exact word repeatedly in Opera - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20715 +babaco; +comment (10wikibugs) [05:04:51] 03(mod) Internal links:Cannot select a page from list using arrow keys using Chrome - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20711 +babaco; +comment (10wikibugs) [05:04:53] 03(mod) Insert Link : Cursor/Scroll bar shall be moved to inserted link - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20710 +babaco; +comment (10wikibugs) [05:04:56] 03(mod) Search & replace : Browser crashes when all occurances are replaced - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20841 +babaco; +comment (10wikibugs) [05:05:04] egads [05:05:13] 03(mod) Insert Links: Suggestion list is not cleared when user start typing - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20753 +babaco; +comment (10wikibugs) [05:05:26] 03(mod) Search & replace : Cursor does not moved to next word - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20843 +babaco; +comment (10wikibugs) [05:06:09] *Splarka will unmute when +babaco keyword spamming is done [05:07:37] How do I edit the "messages" file and enable only one date format? Do i just delete the rest? [05:13:47] this makes no sence [05:14:27] i make a hook to call this function, the function opens a text file and writes some data to it, I check and the file doesnt get created even :( [05:15:28] 03(NEW) Flagged revisions review log - minor but useful enhancement - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20861 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: FlaggedRevs; (FT2.wiki) [05:19:00] 03(mod) Checkuser erroneously reporting "too many items" error - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20857 (10FT2.wiki) [05:32:06] omg this is annoying [05:44:22] anyone here? [05:45:59] No [05:46:23] http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/File:Tumbleweed01.gif [05:48:39] omg wtf [05:49:06] first line in my cunction is: die('ran'); so what happens? it doesnt die, it just keeps running [05:51:40] function* [05:55:11] Maybe the function isn't getting called. [05:57:04] How can this not be called: http://dpaste.org/CEEL/ [05:57:58] mediawiki has devinatly picked up my extention, I have the bit ti give it the name ad all that and it appears in my lsit [05:58:04] definatly* [05:58:23] Hi! What should I use for usename DB storage - User::getName() or User::getTitleKey() ? [05:58:31] although "ArticleInsertComplete " isnt listed under "Parser function hooks" [06:00:17] hintswen__: are you sure that hook is called when you think it is? [06:00:33] hintswen__: it's editable. I remember that one hook has changed number of parameters, so I've edited it (probably even as anonymous). it was about a year ago. [06:00:43] What should I use for usename DB storage - User::getName() or User::getTitleKey() ? [06:02:02] oh... "Called after an article is created" I guess that means new pages only [06:04:39] QuestPC: User::getName() [06:04:42] ok. I've switched to getTitleKey(). [06:04:45] ah.. [06:05:00] Emufarmers: but why Title::getDBkey() ? [06:05:13] Emufarmers: it also replaces ' ' to '_' [06:05:27] Because usernames are stored with spaces and titles are stored with underscores, as I recall. [06:05:30] Emufarmers: strange.. I thought that both should replace, for consistency [06:05:57] Emufarmers: I've heard that due to old mysql compatibility. but, maybe that doesn't matter nowadays. [06:06:20] ok. I'll undo. [06:06:40] Also, there isn't any Title::getTitle() [06:06:49] ok [06:06:50] How do I install imagemagick??? I set the parameter but have no idea where I copy the downloaded file (the zipped thing i downloaded from imagemagick.com) [06:07:29] xD thanks Emufarmers it calls it at the right time now... my code is still wrong though (later code) [06:08:23] *Emufarmers bites his thumb at Splarka [06:08:50] DanielTahar: you need to get your web host to install it [06:09:15] DanielTahar: to any location, but it's better to do not use space characters in path. and it's better to use slash / rather than backslash \ in path $wgImageMagickConvertCommand [06:09:41] backslashes and spaces in path sometimes cause strange behaviour. [06:09:42] or not lol [06:10:44] eg, there was a little bug when one of $wg*Path contained a space. [06:11:56] not sure i understand... i have FTP access to the site, I know i've done this once before... [06:12:42] you need more than just ftp to install it [06:12:45] oh [06:12:52] although most hosts have it these days by default.... [06:12:54] it's not like an extension where i add a line? [06:12:59] go daddy don't :) [06:13:04] or at least it seems that way [06:13:30] what are the advantages of working with it? [06:15:18] it handles your image stuff [06:15:18] right but if all i need is thumbnails will i feel a difference if i set it to "false" [06:15:18] i don't get any edit buttons above the edit box with the vector skin - anyone know why? [06:15:18] in most cases you wont need to manually set any settings related to it [06:17:27] any mw pros out there? [06:17:57] any mw pros out there? [06:18:24] now there are [06:19:26] my big ass! http://wikimir.org vvv is reaaly gay (anus stretched by AlexSm) [06:20:40] are they upset we called tehm trolls in the mailing list? [06:23:55] BAHAHAHAHAHA i got it xD [06:24:31] (I'm writing a wiki2twitter extention) http://twitter.com/habbowikifeed [06:26:13] witter? [06:26:22] twiki? Oh, wait. :-( [06:26:30] O_o [06:26:31] well i was calling it wiki2twitter [06:26:47] twiki sounds good xD [06:27:26] WikiTwits [06:27:29] dont know if I'll bother releasing the soruce or not though... it's all dodgy code and I doubt anyone else would want it anyway [06:27:57] http://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ASearch&search=twitter hmm [06:28:24] to set it up you need to login to twitter, run a script to authorize it to send updates, then config the script... long process [06:28:35] OMG ARE YOU KIDDING [06:28:57] I should have searched for it [06:30:08] different output to what I'm looking for though, I want it just like the recent changes but without the links (no space) [06:31:17] 03(mod) Support collation by a certain locale (sorting order of characters) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=164 (10verdy_p) [06:35:00] 04(REOPENED) Search & Replace : Cursor shall be moved to replaced text position - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20582 +comment (10wikibugs) [06:35:02] also that extension sues the old authentication method... mine sues the new one xD [06:35:24] thats why it will say "From API" whereas mine says "From HabboWiki" [06:36:00] I didn't say the existing stuff was better; I just wanted to show you that there's clearly some interest in it. [06:37:32] 03(mod) The wikisyntax for categories should display a link to category in the edit summary field without using the colon - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20823 (10dejan.papez) [06:38:54] good point, guess i'll put my source up somewhere... [06:38:56] how do i disable the "Edit" thing for each paragraph? [06:39:12] DanielTahar: for you or for everyone? [06:39:23] for you, in your settings, for everyone, no idea [06:40:22] prefrences>editing>untick "Enable section editing via [edit] links" [06:40:34] yeah, for everyone [06:41:44] well i dont know how to do it for everyone :P [06:42:34] I still need to get the byte difference and my wiki2twitter extension is done. [06:45:14] theres a script around in the maintance directory to change everyones settings [06:45:28] 03(NEW) Babaco - Search & Replace: 'occurences' shall be change as 'occurrences' - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20862 minor; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: UsabilityInitiative; (wikibugs) [06:46:05] a whole bug for a typo? [06:46:13] hehe [06:46:21] is it even typo? [06:46:35] yah, technically [06:46:37] lmao [06:46:50] 03(mod) Support collation by a certain locale (sorting order of characters) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=164 (10verdy_p) [06:46:56] well, or a misspelling, depending on the intention and intellect of the usability team [06:47:10] well without a bug report how will anyone know it needs fixing? [06:47:32] You could come in here and say "there's a typo" ^_^ [06:49:41] I wont take anyone serious unless they submit a bug report abotu it. [06:50:16] *hintswen__ submits 2 bug reports for the 2 typos in that sentence [06:51:20] Hello techies, I have a question [06:51:34] is it easy? [06:53:01] What uses more resources.. a template like this showing a SVG: http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Template:Done or something like this with unicode: ✓ ?? [06:53:47] define resources? [06:55:16] SVG method uses more space/bandwidth but it's not that big of a difference, the SVG also looks a lot better. [06:55:44] Either way use a template if youre going to use it multiple times [07:06:05] 03(NEW) Korean wikipedia wanna add new namespace - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20863 enhancement; Normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (yknok29) [07:16:25] 03(mod) Korean wikipedia wanna add new namespace - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20863 (10p858snake) [07:16:46] wow, 2 people in 15 mins selling strawberries [07:17:07] door to door strawberries, aparently "fresh" and "straight from the farm" [07:25:29] hintswen__: huh? at this time of the year?... [07:28:04] yep [07:28:08] g2g bbl :P [07:29:36] That reminded me of an Asterix and Obelix cartoon [07:31:08] yep. [07:33:23] 03(NEW) Insert Links : Link suggestions are not refreshed in Safari - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20866 normal; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: Drafts; (wikibugs) [07:33:38] 03(NEW) Babaco - New Windows not getting focus by the system. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20864 minor; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: UsabilityInitiative; (wikibugs) [07:33:42] 03(NEW) Babaco - New Windows not getting focus by the system. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20865 minor; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: UsabilityInitiative; (wikibugs) [07:34:00] wat [07:38:22] 03(mod) Search & Replace: 'occurences' shall be change as 'occurrences' - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20862 summary; +comment (10wikibugs) [07:38:24] 03(mod) Babaco - New Windows not getting focus by the system. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20864 (10wikibugs) [07:38:40] 14(DUP) Babaco - New Windows not getting focus by the system. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20865 +comment (10wikibugs) [07:39:24] 03(CLOSED) Babaco - New Windows not getting focus by the system. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20865 (10wikibugs) [07:43:36] 03(NEW) Insert Link :Staus,Suggestions and link text are not refreshed in Safari - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20867 normal; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: UsabilityInitiative; (wikibugs) [07:44:56] 03(NEW) Search suggest shouldn't offer special pages with limited access to users who don't have such rights - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20868 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: General/Unknown; (danny.b) [07:52:21] *Alphos !tocifies Duesentrieb :p [07:57:55] hi all, is it possible to "hide" some pages to some users [07:57:57] ? [07:58:01] thank you in advance [07:59:19] !secrets [07:59:19] --mwbot-- MediaWiki was not designed with read-restrictions in mind, and may not provide air-tight protection against unauthorized access. We will not be held responsible should private information, such as a password or bank details, be leaked, leading to loss of funds or one's job. See also !lockdown [08:02:57] moamahi, it's possible to 'hide' your wiki but not to separate sheep from goats so to speak [08:04:48] I see I'm trying to write documentation for my networm in my company and I would prevent users to see the server password. That's all [08:06:52] So have another wiki for material too sensitive for most employees to see. [08:23:33] 03raymond * r57044 10/trunk/extensions/ (3 files in 3 dirs): [08:23:33] Follow-up r56954: Read categories from message as content language [08:23:33] * Add message to i18n file to be sure it is shown in Special:AllMessages even it is empty [08:23:33] * Ignore this message for translatewiki [08:56:04] 03(mod) Search & Replace : Cursor shall be moved to replaced text position - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20582 (10roan.kattouw) [08:57:44] 03catrope * r57045 10/trunk/extensions/UsabilityInitiative/EditToolbar/EditToolbar.i18n.php: EditToolbar: (bug 20862) Fix typo in message [08:58:48] 03(FIXED) Search & Replace: 'occurences' shall be change as 'occurrences' - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20862 +comment (10roan.kattouw) [09:01:27] 03(NEW) Insert Table: Not validating when user enter letters as inputs. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20869 normal; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: UsabilityInitiative; (wikibugs) [09:10:31] 03(NEW) Sitenotice should be parsed in context of [[MediaWiki:Sitenotice]], not of the page below - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20870 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: Page rendering; (roan.kattouw) [09:31:38] what setup is needed to run MW's test cases? [09:31:53] it seems to be looking for tables with the prefix parsertest_ - should i create them manually? or what? [09:36:07] sorry for the dumb question but I'm not finding this so quickly in the manual [09:36:21] what is teh setting so that anonymous users see only the stable revision? [09:36:27] (flaggedrevs) [09:37:26] "While a wiki's developers can define default settings for which alias is presented to each user group by default" ... where? how? [09:37:49] Ahh.... [09:37:59] I should open my mouth before I think [09:47:10] 03catrope * r57046 10/trunk/extensions/UsabilityInitiative/EditToolbar/ (4 files): EditToolbar: (bug 20869) Validate input in table dialog (rows and columns must be numbers); also don't allow insertion of tables with zero rows or columns [09:47:34] 03(FIXED) Insert Table: Not validating when user enter letters as inputs. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20869 +comment (10roan.kattouw) [09:51:52] You have not specified a target page or user to perform this function on. [09:51:53] :( [09:56:45] 03catrope * r57047 10/trunk/extensions/UsabilityInitiative/EditToolbar/ (EditToolbar.js EditToolbar.php): EditToolbar: (bug 20864) When opening a dialog, focus the first textbox in it [09:58:00] 03(FIXED) Babaco - New Windows not getting focus by the system. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20864 +comment (10roan.kattouw) [10:03:05] 03(NEW) Navigable TOC: Cursor is not navigating to the correct line when link is clicked - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20871 normal; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: UsabilityInitiative; (wikibugs) [10:08:53] is this how to "disable all caching" http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Tag_extensions#How_do_I_disable_caching_for_pages_using_my_extension.3F ? [10:09:02] (the second part) [10:09:40] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki_FAQ#How_do_I_completely_disable_caching.3F [10:26:22] 03catrope * r57048 10/trunk/extensions/UsabilityInitiative/ (7 files in 4 dirs): [10:26:22] NavigableTOC: (bug 20871) Cursor doesn't go to the right line when clicking a [10:26:22] section in the NTOC in Opera. Fixed by also applying fixOperaBrokenness() before [10:26:22] NTOC processing; moved fixOperaBrokenness() to a more central place [10:27:18] 03(FIXED) Navigable TOC: Cursor is not navigating to the correct line when link is clicked - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20871 +comment (10roan.kattouw) [10:32:24] 04(REOPENED) Advanced toolbar is not available in IE 7 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20673 +comment (10wikibugs) [10:33:40] should I be able to set editor/reviewer in the "User rights management" special page? (Re:FlaggedRevs) [10:34:23] because I don't think I can, if you didn't guess [10:34:40] it just shows Admin / Buro / Bot [10:34:44] as always [10:35:27] Anyone around here using IE 7 or 8? [10:35:40] RoanKattouw: try in #windows [10:35:52] Thanks [10:37:10] "Initially, no user can see the reviewer's widget. To fix this, login as sysop, go to Special:Userrights, promote a user to reviewer/editor, log out, and finally login as the promoted user. You will see the reviewer's widget on the bottom of an editable page." [10:37:18] I think I am a sysop, but perhaps not [10:43:20] 03siebrand * r57049 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/utils/TranslateYaml.php: Update indentation [10:50:29] 03(NEW) Sinhala: Page title in Edit window has ? characters - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20872 minor; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: UsabilityInitiative; (wikibugs) [10:53:09] hi all [10:53:46] quick question. is it possible to include a template outside of the main body? [10:54:02] 14(INVALID) Sinhala: Page title in Edit window has ? characters - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20872 +comment (10roan.kattouw) [10:54:06] skinofstars: What do you mean outside of the main body? [10:54:43] say i wanted to include a templat on every page at the very top [10:55:01] outside of the editabl area [10:55:21] !sitenotice | skinofstars [10:55:21] --mwbot-- skinofstars: Sitenotice is a wiki-wide message that appears at the top of the page for all users. It is editable by users in the sysop usergroup at [[MediaWiki:Sitenotice]]. See also: !anonnotice [10:56:03] hmm, not sure thats what i was thinking but i'll look into it [10:57:16] thanks [10:58:50] Is 'sysop' synonymous with 'Administrator'? [10:59:17] I am an administrator of this site, but I can't see what 'the sysop' is supposed to see (according to the manual). [10:59:48] I'm not sure if I need to find the real sysop account, or weather the fact that I can't see it as an Administrator is showing that the extension is borked. [11:00:21] Usually, yes [11:00:59] usually..? [11:01:14] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Flaggedrevs [11:01:20] sysop is pretty much always synonymous with admin AFAIK [11:01:32] I am an Administrator, and I want to become a Reviewer [11:01:39] Right [11:01:43] but I don't see that on Special:UserRights [11:01:45] Are you able to edit your own userrights? [11:01:54] hmm [11:01:54] I guess... [11:02:06] I just see Bot [11:02:07] Administrator [11:02:10] Bureaucrat [11:02:11] sorry [11:02:37] feh! no Flagged revs on this site! [11:02:38] lol [11:02:53] hmm, site notice still places the contents within the main body of text (though abov the page title). my aim to to present information at the very top of the page [11:03:18] got it :-) [11:03:28] skinofstars: you need to look at skins [11:03:31] above th page tabs [11:03:42] I think [11:04:20] ahh, of course, thanks faceface [11:04:29] is there a page that lists all the messages that appear on each page? [11:04:37] s/page/manual page/ [11:27:18] I'm getting the message "You tried to edit a section that does not exist. Since there is no section , there is no place to save your edit." [11:30:19] 03(mod) Oracle support - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=652 (10marcusminervino) [11:30:48] Sas: That probably means you clicked on a section edit link, but the section you tried to edit was deleted in the meantime [11:31:01] Solution? [11:31:04] Or a section above it was deleted, or whatever; reload the view page [11:41:39] 03nikerabbit * r57050 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/FFS.php: No empty exports. Spell out the key [11:46:46] RoanKattouw: That would be (I believe) because I imported "page" from a previous install. The message now appears on all pages and reloading has no effect. [11:47:23] Weird [11:52:21] Is there a way to get a list of all pages without using Special:AllPages? [11:58:20] Sas: the api. [11:58:29] or the database. [11:58:39] http://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&list=allpages [12:08:07] 03(FIXED) User can insert links, insert tables with blank values - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20618 +comment (10roan.kattouw) [12:11:42] anyone up for a hack atack? [12:11:56] I've been working on some rewrite rules to hide special pages on a wiki [12:12:05] if you can find a special page, you win a prize... [12:12:17] http://potatogenome.net/index.php/Main_Page [12:12:29] and no, special:search IS allowed [12:12:48] That URL asks for authentication [12:12:55] really? [12:12:57] that sucks [12:13:19] It does show the right page after pressing Escape though [12:13:24] how about here http://potatogenome.net [12:13:44] apparently there was a weird way round my first draft of the rewrite rules [12:13:52] http://www.potatogenome.net/index.php?title=Special:SpecialPages&returnto=Special:SpecialPages [12:15:41] looks like the admin has set teh redirects to point to the 'internal' version of the site if a special page is requested. [12:15:48] which is quite a good default for me [12:16:17] It requests auth every time I click a link *sigh* [12:16:25] RoanKattouw: thats a bug [12:16:41] RoanKattouw: this is for regular pages? [12:16:45] not special pages? [12:16:50] Bot [12:16:52] h [12:17:01] thanks for helping [12:18:42] faceface: http://potatogenome.net/api.php is available but pretty much unusuable [12:18:54] It seems every URL with a query string is treated as suspect [12:18:56] RoanKattouw: good point, I forgot abou that [12:19:14] RoanKattouw: one moment, I'll put the exact rules on the wiki [12:20:14] hmm... was my edit reverted? [12:20:44] 20:17, 23 September 2009 Mr.Z-man (Talk | contribs) (56,137 bytes) (→How can I suppress actions and special pages?: remove section. A) MediaWiki is not designed for this kind of usage B) It doesn't work properly for special pages C) This is a hack) (undo) [sighted by Mr.Z-man] [12:20:50] nothing like surpressing information! [12:21:25] if the FAQ were limited to everything that the MW was designed for... er... there would be less [12:22:28] faceface: http://web-sniffer.net/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fpotatogenome.net%2Findex.php%3Ftitle%3DSpecial%3AAllpages&submit=Submit&http=1.1&type=POST&uak=0 [12:24:41] must-revalidate? [12:24:50] ? [12:24:58] The point is that it's a POST request [12:25:07] RoanKattouw: what is the imp... what does that imply? [12:25:49] It implies that I can visit all special pages you're blocking as long as I use POST /index.php with title=Special:Allpages as post data instead of GET /index.php?title=Special:Allpages [12:26:05] Ahhh... can you show me a history? [12:26:11] Sure [12:26:12] 03(NEW) Gives a system error while user trying to edit a page. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20873 normal; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: UsabilityInitiative; (wikibugs) [12:26:13] like history for mainpage? [12:27:48] http://dpaste.org/XRKP/ the important part, HTML [12:28:47] 03(mod) Gives a system error while user trying to edit a page. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20873 +comment (10roan.kattouw) [12:29:10] RoanKattouw: awesome! [12:29:22] now I have to think of a prize... [12:29:22] I could probably build a bridge that allows browsing seamlessly [12:29:26] right [12:29:55] 03(NEW) Navigable TOC : The functionality is missing for Opera 9.0 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20874 major; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: UsabilityInitiative; (wikibugs) [12:30:03] so basically we need to close the POST requests and only allow GET, where the rewrites kick in [12:30:19] btw, the rules are here: http://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Manual%3AFAQ&diff=277248&oldid=277204 [12:30:23] Closing POST requests makes editing impossible [12:30:33] do you agree that this info is usefull for the FAQ? [12:30:44] No, because it'll never work [12:30:54] I'll add a caveat that ... well what mrzman said [12:31:01] about the POST, right [12:31:16] I see... but can't we rewrite the posts too? [12:31:43] heh [12:31:49] "Hi. I'm considering mediawiki for a large scale application (more then 2000 users)." Made my day [12:31:56] *snort* [12:32:19] reply, MW has only ever been tested with about 2 users... [12:32:49] mysql> select max(user_id) from user; [12:32:51] +--------------+ [12:32:52] | max(user_id) | [12:32:54] forget the "billion" after the 2 [12:32:54] +--------------+ [12:32:55] | 10663630 | [12:32:57] +--------------+ [12:32:59] 1 row in set (0.00 sec) [12:33:12] Apparently enwiki has 10.6 million users [12:33:47] oh right, yeah, about 2 billion [12:33:55] awesome [12:34:27] OK, closer to 10 M [12:34:39] 2 G may be pusing it [12:38:09] that's only registered users [12:38:16] in one project? [12:38:16] 03(NEW) Navigable TOC : Navigable TOC not changed after replace a link. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20875 normal; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: UsabilityInitiative; (wikibugs) [12:38:21] Aye, in enwiki [12:40:09] but its one install [12:40:17] which is what is relevant to the question [12:43:57] 03(mod) Navigable TOC : Navigable TOC not changed after replace a link. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20875 (10wikibugs) [12:44:42] RoanKattouw: actually... on that virtual host we don't want any editing [12:44:56] so we could lockdown POST within that virtual host. [12:48:34] 03catrope * r57051 10/trunk/extensions/UsabilityInitiative/ (4 files in 3 dirs): NavigableTOC: (bug 20875) NTOC doesn't change after search&replacing a section title [12:55:19] 03(mod) Navigable TOC : Cursor position is not visible when link is clicked - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20568 (10wikibugs) [12:56:36] 03(mod) Flagged revisions review log - minor but useful enhancement - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20861 +comment (10FT2.wiki) [13:06:55] 03avar * r57052 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/utils/TranslateYaml.php: Don't add an additional newline to YAML output via perl's -l option [13:17:51] 03(mod) Navigable TOC : The functionality is missing for Opera 9.0 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20874 +comment (10roan.kattouw) [13:19:24] 03(mod) Navigable TOC : The functionality is missing - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20669 (10roan.kattouw) [13:20:33] 03(mod) Watchlist RSS feed: Difficul to subscribe + Security suggestion - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20840 +comment (10Simetrical+wikibugs) [13:21:14] 03(mod) Basic XML Feed support for watchlist (implementation idea: token) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=471 (10Simetrical+wikibugs) [13:26:52] 03demon * r57053 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/specials/SpecialAllmessages.php): bug 20860 [[Special:Allmessages]] to have direct (edit) link [13:27:39] 03(FIXED) [[Special:Allmessages]] to have direct (edit) link - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20860 +comment (10innocentkiller) [13:28:07] 03(FIXED) Navigable TOC : Navigable TOC not changed after replace a link. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20875 +comment (10roan.kattouw) [13:31:48] 03siebrand * r57054 10/trunk/extensions/FlvHandler/FlvHandler.i18n.php: Fix typo [13:34:54] hmmm, how can I make that mediawiki recognized the "enter" button entry as linebreak? [13:35:12] 03demon * r57055 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/EditPage.php): (bug 20836) Preload not working for MediaWiki namespace. Note this only works when the message doesnt exist, to emulate preload only working on non-existing pages [13:35:25] hyper_ch: where? [13:35:49] 03(FIXED) Preload not working for MediaWiki namespace - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20836 +comment (10innocentkiller) [13:35:52] Nikerabbit: well, you have to press enter twice or add a
    tag [13:36:35] paragraphs are delimeted by two new lines [13:36:54] if you have preformatted text, mark it such :o [13:37:20] <^demon> Nikerabbit: Hey :) [13:38:12] what? [13:39:23] is there a way to set new paragraphs to be delimeted by one new line? [13:42:52] No [13:43:00] yes. [13:43:03] [13:43:48] hyper_ch: note that there is a semantic and visual difference between paragraphs and line breaks... [13:44:37] basically, if I make a new line in a text then I'd like to have it displayed as new line :) [13:45:00] hyper_ch: So use 
     ?
[13:45:12] 	or put a space at the beginning of each line.
[13:45:22] 	it depends on what you actually want
[13:45:37] 	I just want to press enter and then have the text appear also on a new line
[13:45:39] 	for code use indent or pre. for pesy, use .
[13:45:56] 	hyper_ch: do you want you lines to be wrapped automatically still?
[13:46:08] 	or would that be forbidden?
[13:46:13] 	is indentation important?
[13:46:25] 	do you want a monospaced font or not?
[13:47:21] 	for me it's just logic that when I write a block of text and then press enter and in the editor the text will then be continued on a new line, that the same happens once I save it
[13:49:01] 	hyper_ch: there is no global setting for this, because it's contrary to how things usually work on the web. but as i said, you can use  :)
[13:49:03] 	03(mod) Oracle support - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=652  (10marcusminervino)
[13:49:52] 	how can we create a pop up message box? is there a JS class somewhere?
[13:50:16] 	03(mod) Flagged revisions, review log: minor but very helpful enhancement - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20861  summary (10FT2.wiki)
[13:54:12] *^demon 	argees that newline in edit page != newline on page display is slightly counter-intuitive
[13:54:52] 	very much so
[13:56:11] 	'userrights' is not used that much anymore. Now we have $wgAddGroups and similar arrays. Is there a function to find out if a group is allowed to change rights? Or a function that returns all user groups that can change rights? I only found a function to find out whether a specific *user* is allowed to change rights
[13:57:34] 	(and why don't we have something like Group.php which handles that kind of requests?)
[14:03:36] <^demon>	Church_of_emacs: Same reason we didn't have Login.php until a branch was created to the fix the issue
[14:04:37] 	and the issue is...? No one has done it yet, or what?
[14:05:43] 	03(NEW) Error when moving subpages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20876 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (wikipedia)
[14:07:19] 	OK, round 2 :-)
[14:07:24] 	http://www.potatogenome.net
[14:07:31] 	is it a wiki?
[14:08:55] 	faceface, it seems so, even though most special pages redirect to the main page
[14:09:17] 	Church_of_emacs: most? OR ALL OF THEM MUAH HA AH AH 
[14:09:23] 	(appart from Search)
[14:09:26] 	faceface, nope. Special:Search
[14:09:31] 	right
[14:09:54] 	Special:Userlogin also redirects, which is kinda... depressing... ;)
[14:10:31] 	Church_of_emacs: yeah, its not a wiki
[14:10:51] 	its just a wiki for the privilaged, lucky, special, better than you, few.
[14:11:02] <^demon>	Church_of_emacs: Yeah mostly. A lot of older code has UI/logic mashed together.
[14:11:16] 	the idea is to have a 'internal' wiki that goes forth as a static website
[14:12:01] 	but we forgot to do anything about other namespaces :-/
[14:12:02] 	!cms | faceface
[14:12:02] --mwbot--	faceface: Wikis are designed for openness, to be readable and editable by all. If you want a forum, a blog, a web authoring toolkit or corporate content management system, perhaps don't use wiki software. There is a nice overview of free tools available at  including the possibility to try each system. For ways to restrict access in MediaWiki, see !access.
[14:12:16] 	perhaps
[14:12:35] 	or be prepared to hack it :)
[14:12:44] 	my friend cloned WP because it was too restrictive.
[14:12:50] 	he did it in the name of openess
[14:13:05] 	he was hounded by everyone 
[14:13:06] 	including jimbo
[14:13:24] 	is the size of text inside 
     tags supposed to be smaller on vector?
[14:13:38] 	14(DUP) Error when moving subpages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20876  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[14:13:41] 	03(mod) "Move subpages" option causes database query syntax error - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20797  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[14:13:47] 	^demon, perhaps someday I will create Group.php. But I think I'm not bold enough to do that right now :)
[14:14:11] <^demon>	:)
[14:14:17] <^demon>	Branch it and forget it ;-)
[14:14:25] 	03thomasv * r57056 10/trunk/extensions/ProofreadPage/ProofreadPage.php: allow users to override parameters
[14:14:28] <^demon>	Then anytime someone bugs you about it, you can say "oh I've got a branch for that"
[14:14:39] <^demon>	*cough* new-installer *cough*
[14:16:45] 	what do you mean with "branch it"? create a copy of MW in SVN /branches and apply my patches there?
[14:29:49] 	03(mod) Basic XML Feed support for watchlist (implementation idea: token) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=471  (10waldir)
[14:33:05] 	03thomasv * r57057 10/trunk/extensions/ProofreadPage/ProofreadPage.php: minor fix
[14:35:03] 	does anyone know if there is better doc than that found on the mediawiki site?
[14:35:28] 	wb ^demon. what do you mean with "branch it"? create a copy of MW in SVN /branches and apply my changes there?
[14:35:37] 	MacMed, google
[14:35:42] 	MacMed: yes. the source code.
[14:35:52] 	Duesentrieb, damn. I wanted to answer that! :P
[14:35:58] 	:P
[14:36:02] 	Church_of_emacs, you dont create a copy par se, you make your client do it ;)
[14:36:05] <^demon>	Church_of_emacs: Yeah.
[14:36:09] <^demon>	!docs
[14:36:09] --mwbot--	An overview of available documentation about MediaWiki can be found at 
[14:36:17] 	kk. thanks
[14:36:17] 	i find the source code very difficult to read when i cant understand it  :P
[14:36:18] <^demon>	Well that wasn't what I wanted.
[14:36:32] <^demon>	MacMed: Try the doxygen generated docs then. http://svn.wikimedia.org/doc/
[14:36:44] 	brion could sell part of his brain as documentation
[14:36:52] <^demon>	Disclaimer: Only documents stuff that has had the doxygen comments added, but otherwise it's helpful :)
[14:36:52] 	MacMed: if you tell us what exactly you are looking for, we might be able to help you find it.
[14:36:56] 	or write it.
[14:37:23] 	i see $this all over the place, but i don't know what its defined as
[14:37:40] 	it's the object's self reference
[14:37:47] 	as in most object oriented programming languages
[14:37:50] <^demon>	Reedy: We already tried while( true ) { $brions[] = clone $brion; }
[14:37:52] 	in no way specific to mediawiki.
[14:37:54] 	or even php
[14:38:12] 	okay
[14:38:22] 	yeah im just starting out :P
[14:38:24] 	Hi. I have a server which runs Mediawiki 1.5.0 and I would like to migrate it's contents and userDB to a new server running Mediawiki 1.12.0. Both servers being Debian based. I guess things have changed quite a bit to make an understatement. What is the best way to go? I have backups of files, XML and db
[14:38:51] <^demon>	!upgrade | Zathraz
[14:38:51] --mwbot--	Zathraz: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Upgrading
[14:38:54] 	MacMed: try http://de.php.net/manual/en/language.oop5.php
[14:39:11] 	^demon, damn
[14:39:14] <^demon>	Zathraz: Also, 1.12.0 isn't the latest stable and isn't supported. Suggest upgrading to 1.15.1 while you're upgrading anyway :)
[14:39:32] 	Duesentrieb: ty
[14:39:41] 	and going from 1.5 in one step should be ok
[14:39:54] 	i'm just trying to look at a few trivial bugs, and i'm having problems :P i'll figure it out though
[14:40:30] <^demon>	Duesentrieb: It's only when upgrading from 1.4 or older that it gets rough....that's when 'cur' was dropped for revision/page/text etc
[14:40:44] 	MacMed: uh, if you want to practice OOP, perhaps don't start out with a complex software with 100k lines of code...
[14:40:44] 	^demon, 1.12.0 is in the current stable release of Debian. I will stick to that
[14:40:56] 	^demon: i know.
[14:41:05] 	i'm familiar with python
[14:41:09] 	just new to PHP
[14:41:23] 	and i was used to self as a class' self reference
[14:41:35] <^demon>	Duesentrieb: I think there's some after-upgrading-from-pre-1.5 scripts you're supposed to run too, which makes it even *more* fun :)
[14:41:44] 	MacMed: in pythin it would be self.x when in php it's $this->x. but python passes the self-ref explicitly, most other languages do it implicitly
[14:42:03] <^demon>	MacMed: PHP uses self when referring to stuff in static contexts ;-)
[14:42:36] 	^demon: no, there's an alternative upgrade script which basically implements deferred conversion - it leaves stuff in cur/old until the page is edited.
[14:43:18] <^demon>	Duesentrieb: upgrade1_5?
[14:43:27] 	that's the one, yea
[14:43:45] *^demon 	didn't know if that even worked :p
[14:45:54] <^demon>	Duesentrieb: When I was cleaning up ~/maintenance I found a lot of stuff that didn't work :p
[14:46:19] 	yea
[15:01:28] 	query
[15:01:33] 	how do I make an image a wikilink
[15:02:58] 	by RTFMing: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Images#Links
[15:03:45] 	or, more precisely #Syntax
[15:04:29] 	ahh
[15:04:31] 	thanks!
[15:08:10] 	03(NEW) copy behavior of diff to last sighted when browsing as well as when using Special:OldReviewedPages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20877 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: FlaggedRevs; (pbirken)
[15:09:31] 	ok
[15:09:33] 	it doesn't work.
[15:09:34] 	>_>
[15:09:59] 	I tried typing [[image:file.jpg|25px|link=page name]]
[15:10:10] 	and it just took me back to the image's file description page
[15:10:29] 	which MediaWiki version?
[15:10:51] 	03(NEW) When searching Special:OldReviewedPages for Wikipedia:Categories, Wikipedia: becomes truncated - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20878 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: FlaggedRevs; (pbirken)
[15:11:43] 	1.11.0
[15:11:53] 	this feature was addded later
[15:11:57] 	!oldversion
[15:11:57] --mwbot--	Old MediaWiki versions may have bugs and security vulnerabilities, we don't recommend you to use any release older than 1 year. See  for details.
[15:12:02] 	aw man.
[15:12:18] 	if I upgrade, does that preserve all other data, or will I probably have to reformat the local settings file again
[15:12:21] 	older than one year?  that's a pretty useless figure
[15:13:04] 	slash, is there an extension
[15:15:05] 	pc, http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Click&action=edit&oldid=203294753
[15:15:32] 	(requires http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ImageMap )
[15:15:40] 	sweet.
[15:15:45] 	so it's just this template, and that extension then
[15:15:53] 	and 1.11.0 backwards compatible?
[15:16:38] 	you'll have to search SVN tags for appropriate version of this extension
[15:16:59] 	03(NEW) IE crashes when looking at difflinks - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20879 trivial; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: FlaggedRevs; (pbirken)
[15:17:24] 	ah ok
[15:17:31] 	but that image is cool as hell
[15:25:24] 	pc: upgrading is pretty safe & painless.
[15:25:28] 	!upgrade | pc
[15:25:28] --mwbot--	pc: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Upgrading
[15:25:50] 	do make a backup, though :)
[15:27:14] 	Hi people
[15:28:12] 	anyone hereR? 
[15:28:18] 	*here?
[15:29:19] 	hmm. To migrate an old install to a new version Mediawiki on a fresh install: copy backup files, copy LocalConfig and AdminSettings, change them, build DB, update DB, import XML dump? Or am I missing something?
[15:31:01] 	!ask  | secDWizar
[15:31:01] --mwbot--	Don't say "I have a question", or ask "Is anyone around?" or "Can anyone help?". Just ask the question, and someone will help you if they can. See also: !gethelp
[15:31:18] 	Zathraz: you are overdoing it.
[15:31:20] 	k'
[15:31:39] 	I'm writing an extension for categorywatchlist, based initially on categorywatch 
[15:31:44] 	Zathraz: backup files and db. xml for good measure. replace files. run update.php. done.
[15:31:46] 	with additions
[15:33:21] 	Duesentrieb, I move to a new server so I can not replace files
[15:33:29] 	for all categories in an article, check who is watching them; for all users watching categories in the article, add the article to their watchlist.
[15:33:51] 	Zathraz: ah - put the new files there the, and import the database dump. no need to use the xml dump unless things go wrong.
[15:33:53] 	this works for all users except own user. 
[15:34:06] 	Zathraz: if the version isn't the exact same, run update.php after importing the db.
[15:34:27] *^demon 	stabs github
[15:34:28] 	Zathraz: don't forget to copy the images directory.
[15:34:36] 	example: if I'm enlisted to CategoryA, and I'm now editing article1 such that now he belongs to CategoryA
[15:34:52] 	Zathraz: you can also reuse your old config, but you will probably have to adjust some pathes.
[15:35:03] 	I will get an email regarding the enclution of Article1 in CategoryA but It won't really be there. 
[15:35:11] 	mediawiki 1.5.0 -> 1.12.0
[15:35:21] 	for another userB, which is also enlisted for CategoryA, this all works fine.
[15:35:22] 	Zathraz: why 1.12? why not 1.15?
[15:35:29] 	1.12 is old already.
[15:35:31] 	any comments ?
[15:35:41] 	1.12 is in Debian stable
[15:35:53] 	I want to stick to that
[15:35:56] 	Zathraz: it's also passed EOL :)
[15:36:01] 	err, past
[15:36:10] 	no security updates.
[15:36:29] 	for LAN only I do not mind
[15:36:43] 	well then, go ahead :)
[15:36:58] 	secDWizar: if you save the page, it should be in the category. what do you mean by "not really there"?
[15:37:26] 	I'll try to explain better. the code works as follows: 
[15:37:35] 	1. check all categories pre save
[15:37:42] 	2. check all categories post save
[15:38:07] 	3. for all changed (for example, assume added) categories to the article do:
[15:38:24] 	3.1. check who is watching those categories
[15:39:06] 	send them email that this article has been added to their watchlist
[15:39:31] 	this works fine for every user =! user which is editing this article. 
[15:39:48] 	and which part doesn't work?
[15:39:51] 	for the user which is editing the article, it does nothing to the DB, no matter what I've tried. 
[15:39:54] 	it doesn't get added to the watchlist?
[15:40:27] 	only for the user which is editing the article (suppose he also watches the category to which he added the article to).
[15:40:41] 	uh... so you add entries to the watchlist table? and that works, but not for you currentl user?
[15:40:57] 	that's right
[15:41:03] 	ok, so I downloaded the whole imagemap extension
[15:41:12] 	and did the template:click on my 1.11.0
[15:41:17] 	and it still doesn't work.
[15:41:28] 	I'm trying to link it to a page, but it still only gives me the file description
[15:41:35] 	I typed the following:
[15:41:50] 	I've tried with article->doWatch, user->addWatch and $dbw->insert...
[15:41:50] 	{{Click
[15:41:51] 	|image  = greencir.jpg
[15:41:51] 	|size   = 25x25px
[15:41:51] 	|title  = Carleton Mathematics
[15:41:51] 	|link   = Carleton Mathematics
[15:41:51] 	}}
[15:41:56] 	(sorry for the spam)
[15:42:08] 	would it be hard to make a mediawiki theme out of this? http://matthewjamestaylor.com/blog/holy-grail-no-quirks-mode.htm
[15:42:32] 	or skin, i mean
[15:42:37] 	is does not add the entries to the table.. 
[15:42:56] 	(again only for the editing user).
[15:44:25] 	*is = it
[15:44:52] 	Duesentrieb, should I first update the DB and then import the XML or the other way around?
[15:45:21] 	Zathraz: you shouln't import the xml at all.
[15:45:26] 	any mw config experts out there, i've got a short url / long url question?
[15:45:36] 	Zathraz: if you sucessfully improt the db, there is no need to do that
[15:46:13] 	Zathraz: the database already contains anything that would be in the xml. the xml is just a failsafe. it's your wiki's content in a neutral form, compatible with other versions of mediawiki and readable by other tools.
[15:46:43] 	bobby_: you'll need to ask it to find out. but first:
[15:46:53] 	!rewriteproblems | bobby_
[15:46:53] --mwbot--	bobby_: 1) Try  as a fail-safe method; 2) Do not put the files into the document root; 3) Do not map the pages into the document root; 4) Use different, non-overlapping paths for real files and virtual pages; 5) Do not set a RewriteBase; 6) Put all rules into the .htaccess file in the document root.
[15:47:12] 	Duesentrieb: would you like to see the code ?
[15:47:30] 	secDWizar: no sorry, no time to dig in right now.
[15:47:53] 	secDWizar: it does sound odd though
[15:48:06] 	dus / mwbot.. i already looked at the short url wiki page and it didn't help much.
[15:48:14] 	let me be more specific with my question
[15:49:00] 	generally can you think about anything which can cause this? suspecting: I'm doing the dbw insert in the middle of a dbr read loop. can the db access be restricted to RO for this user only? 
[15:49:21] 	i'm helping a guy who apparently had mw 1.10 working.   it *was* working at one time but now mysteriously doesn't work ;-).  he says he didn't change anything
[15:50:06] 	secDWizar: i think it could, depending on the lock mode / transaction mode. but that would apply to all entries. mysql doesn't know about wiki users.
[15:50:28] 	bobby_: then it would still be working.
[15:50:49] 	Is there any way to force wiki to email-notify watched page updates on any major update regardless if user has visited the page recently or not?
[15:50:58] 	03(mod) Remove edit and new page creation rights for anons on id.wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20666  (10ivan)
[15:51:02] 	for some reason, when i load localhost//index.php, it wants to perform a redirect back to apache base docroot looking for index.php in /var/www/index.php
[15:51:45] 	note alias above is "mediawiki1.10", .. we have an apache conf alias to the actual location in teh filesystem
[15:51:56] 	dus you are correct .. it SHOULD work if he didn't change anything
[15:53:12] 	what's a good place to find a mediawiki skin designer?
[15:53:16] 	from what i can tell, it looks like the url path is being generated correctly.. e.g. it points to the exact path in the correct underlying mw directory (to index.php) but then keeps wanting to redirect
[15:53:45] 	old install had wiki files installed in /var/www/intranet/wiki. On the new server it will be in /var/lib/mediawiki. I presume an Install path definition is not correct. I will have to change all settings in LocalSettings.php ?
[15:54:21] 	*I presume just defining an installpath is insufficient
[15:54:44] 	so what i was hoping is if someone could point me to or cut n paste a stock mw install mw.conf file (i'll change the paths) and the appropriate LocalSettings.php options to disable clean urls..
[15:55:18] 	Zathraz: you my have to change one or two settings. but per default, the file location is automatic.
[15:55:37] 	fyi, i'm can't log into this guy's computer from here so i'm going to have to compile some info now and test later
[15:55:52] 	in the old config there is an IP= defintion with a URL which is no longer there
[15:56:27] 	bobby_: $wgArticlePath      = "$wgScript/$1";
[15:57:09] 	Zathraz: IP is a directory. if that is set to a fixed path, change it.
[15:57:21] 	Duesentrieb: $wgScript?title=$1 for more ugliness
[15:57:22] 	i mean, change it to the *correct* path :)
[15:57:28] 	RoanKattouw: yes.
[15:57:30] 	Alternatively, as a second option.  instead of trying to get his existing setup to work would it be easier to just install a new / latest mw from scratch and then point to old db?
[15:57:32] 	$Ip =  "/var/www/intranet/wkki"; ini_set("include_path", ".:$IP:$IP/includes" etc
[15:57:38] 	ok
[15:58:09] 	[11:40] > ok, so I downloaded the whole imagemap extension
[15:58:09] 	[11:41] > and did the template:click on my 1.11.0
[15:58:09] 	[11:41] > and it still doesn't work.
[15:58:09] 	[11:41] > I'm trying to link it to a page, but it still only gives me the file description
[15:58:10] 	[11:41] > I typed the following:
[15:58:12] 	bobby_: it'S possible. and iot'S not very hard, the installer will use an existing db if it finds one. if it's easier is up to you.
[15:58:18] 	[11:41] > {{Click
[15:58:18] 	[11:41] > |image  = greencir.jpg
[15:58:18] 	[11:41] > |size   = 25x25px
[15:58:18] 	[11:41] > |title  = Carleton Mathematics
[15:58:18] 	[11:41] > |link   = Carleton Mathematics
[15:58:19] 	[11:41] > }}
[15:58:21] 	[11:41] > (sorry for the spam)
[15:58:24] 	!pastebin | pc
[15:58:24] --mwbot--	pc: Please do not paste more than 2-3 lines of text into the channel as it disrupts the flow of conversation. Instead please use a pastebin such as  and post a link to your paste in the channel.
[15:59:05] 	dus, i believe i tried both options $wgScript?title=$1 and "$wgScript/$1" already and neither did the trick.. in fact, ony the first option seemd to semi work
[15:59:26] 	where do mediawiki skin developers hang out?
[15:59:28] 	depends on what trick you want it to do.
[15:59:37] 	!skinning | Sonja
[15:59:37] --mwbot--	Sonja: Overview: . Skin usage: . Gallery of CSS styles: . Writing your own: 
[15:59:43] 	thanks
[15:59:51] 	Sonja: but it's all a big mess. the code and the docs. no fun.
[15:59:58] 	anyway folks... gotta go.
[16:00:12] 	fwiw, i'm not sure whether he had clean urls running or not initially, which is why i just want to disable them to make this easy
[16:00:25] 	mediawiki is a big mess?
[16:00:41] 	is clean urls setup entirely from the config or is there a db component as well? 
[16:00:52] 	Sonja: the skinning part.
[16:01:10] 	bobby_: no db. only the config file and apache setup
[16:01:12] 	mornin all
[16:01:13] 	hi Duesentrieb 
[16:01:15] 	meaning that that paths are stored IN the db as clean urls which might break a site that disabled them or should mw ALWAYS work with clean urls?
[16:01:17] 	heya brion
[16:01:31] 	saluton brion
[16:01:51] 	bobby_: nothing in the DB depends on where the wiki is located.
[16:02:09] 	sal Sonja 
[16:02:16] 	alas the world of mediawiki skins is pretty poorly organized :)
[16:02:28] 	ok dus, so is there a stock / base apache mw.conf file using apache aliasing out there so i can make sure that is set correctly?
[16:02:58] 	and again, what's the best way to disable clean urls?
[16:03:03] 	brion vi renkontis emufarmers?
[16:05:07] 	more specifically,, i just want to start with teh basics, being able to load index.php with OUT clean url
[16:05:27] 	what's required to make that work?
[16:06:00] 	all the documentation seems to be slanted towards how to ENABLE clean (aka short) urls
[16:06:14] 	i'm wanting to do the opposite to get this thing going
[16:07:12] 	sidenote: the guy just wants to get mw going again b/c according to him, he can use it to remove intermediate versions of articles / posts in the db
[16:07:27] 	03(mod) Add a magic word to specify the default format for the new formatdate parser function - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17905  +comment (10tony1)
[16:07:38] 	Can I force watch notification on any major page update? Some of my users say they don't get notified even though they are watching the page. Job queue is small so it isn't backing up.
[16:07:47] 	we have a dump of the db, but apparently it's too big for him to load into mysql (or at least the host he's moving it to)
[16:08:09] 	via phpmyadmin anyway
[16:08:37] 	he says using the mw utility from the interface will reduce his db by 70%
[16:08:44] 	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Images <- interesting... something definitely off :)
[16:09:26] 	Sonja: chu renkontis persone? mi ne certas... mi terible memorachas nomojn kaj vizajhojn ;)
[16:09:46] 	li diris ke li renkontis vin
[16:09:58] 	can anyone confirm that this db "reduction" method actually exists or possibly provide a workaround to the original problem of reloading an existing mysql mw db that's tagged as being too large on another host?
[16:10:16] 	kie mi povas dungi homon por krei MediaWiki-etoson por mi?
[16:10:20] 	Sonja: mi kredas do :)
[16:10:56] 	povas oferi monon chi tie au en poshtlisto mediawiki-l eble :)
[16:23:00] 	Ok looks like we have a regression in Special:Userrights; dbnames containing '_' are no longer reachable as it's translating _ to ' ' more aggressively
[16:23:37] 	03(mod) Filter deletion log by page deletions, undeletions and revision deletions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20839  +comment (10alex.emsenhuber)
[16:27:39] 	03(FIXED) An official POTY committee mailing list - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20520  +comment (10cbass)
[16:29:20] 	03(mod) Add a magic word to specify the default format for the new formatdate parser function - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17905  (10b-jorsch)
[16:31:06] 	03(FIXED) Please create a list for Commons Oversighters and those needing oversight action on commons - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20819  +comment (10cbass)
[16:35:58] 	can anyone point me to a stock apache mediawiki.conf file?
[16:37:35] <|P-S|Player140>	hi
[16:37:42] 	http://noc.wikimedia.org/conf/  here are some absolutely-NOT-stock apache configs
[16:37:50] 	the ones used on WMF, probably will just confuse ya
[16:38:04] 	03(NEW) Updater broken for SQLite - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20880 blocker; Normal; MediaWiki: Database; (maxsem.wiki)
[16:38:06] 	03(mod) SQLite support (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20257  (10maxsem.wiki)
[16:38:36] <|P-S|Player140>	is there a way to get all the pages where something has changed since a defined date? "Speical:Recent Changes" won't work because I have more than 500 changes since than. I also only need all the pages ONCE in a list, would be enough.
[16:39:26] 	03(mod) Checkuser erroneously reporting "too many items" error - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20857  (10JSchulz_4587)
[16:39:47] 	|P-S|Player140, add &limit=5000 to recentchanges URL
[16:39:55] 	hi Splarka 
[16:39:59] 	where we you earlier
[16:40:00] <|P-S|Player140>	doesn't work
[16:40:01] 	rar
[16:40:10] 	Nikerabbit: it is earlier!
[16:40:14] <|P-S|Player140>	I can only enhance the size of days
[16:40:30] 	or ?limit=5000 if you're using pretty urls
[16:40:49] 	Sonja: ?
[16:40:50] 	err
[16:40:55] 	Splarka: ?
[16:41:09] 	|P-S|Player140: the recent changes table won't help if the date you wish to go to is farther back than your rcmaxage is set to
[16:41:11] <|P-S|Player140>	ok limit is for days
[16:41:13] 	Hey i have a question....
[16:41:17] <|P-S|Player140>	no sorry
[16:41:39] 	my client just updated to Mediawiki 1.14.1  from 1.11 and now his Page Actions are verticle instead of horizontal
[16:41:40] 	http://www.symptome.ch/wiki/Hauptseite
[16:41:51] 	Any reason why?
[16:41:57] <|P-S|Player140>	&days=3000&limit=5000 doesn't work
[16:42:10] 	don't use too big values
[16:42:12] <|P-S|Player140>	days does work but not limit. maximum for limit is 500
[16:42:13] 	Nikerabbit: it is 9:40am here
[16:43:10] 	good morning
[16:43:15] 	hmm
[16:43:23] 	Happy-melon: did you recommit some of your login stuff?
[16:43:23] <|P-S|Player140>	&days=200&limit=700 doesn'T work as well. 200 days would be enough but limit is still 500
[16:43:27] 	i've got an instance of mediawiki installed for a client project and i'm trying to interface with the search api
[16:43:27] 	i seem to have broken sessions on trunk again
[16:43:28] 	Any ideas?
[16:43:36] 	|P-S|Player140: you'll probably have to use the API
[16:43:43] <|P-S|Player140>	never did that before
[16:43:46] 	when i try to use list=recentchanges, it tells me that i'm not authorized
[16:43:57] 	is this something I can change?
[16:44:02] 	like, on a site-wide basis?
[16:44:17] 	so, I downloaded the imagemap extension, and tried to use it on a template:click, but when I put the template in, it doesn't link to the page name I want. can anyone help?
[16:44:18] 	kevindanko: I've never seen this "vbwikiskin" skin before (and probably most people here haven't either), so it is hard to tell what changed
[16:44:21] 	in other words, can I explicitly allow anybody to use this particular part of the API without authenticating?
[16:44:46] 	I have mediawiki 1.11.0, which is why I'm using the click template
[16:45:03] 	Brett__: do you have $wgGroupPermissions['*']['read'] = false; ?
[16:45:14] 	but when I put link=(page name), it just takes me back to the file description page, which is what I don't want
[16:45:15] 	Splarka: where would I find that? sorry, i haven't hacked on this project at all other than installing it
[16:45:28] 	Brett__: then you probably don't, the default is true
[16:45:35] 	ok
[16:46:00] 	does action=help work?
[16:46:07] 	brion, could you please peek at commit access requests before you leave Wikimedia? otherwise I'm afraid they'll be delayed till forever
[16:46:19] 	:D
[16:46:21] 	will do
[16:46:21] 	Splarka: also says "forbidden"
[16:46:30] 	Brett__: sounds like a server issue, heh
[16:46:35] 	quite possibly :)
[16:46:43] 	pc: are you still using [[Image:]] syntax?
[16:46:47] 	like, a filesystem permissions issue? or a basic configuration issue?
[16:46:51] 	imagemap uses 
[16:46:56] 	no, I just have image=image.jpg
[16:47:02] <|P-S|Player140>	funny: at www.mediawiki.org I can display more than 500 recent changes... is there propably a config variable to change to make it possible??
[16:47:09] 	I'm using the template:click, which I was told needs the imagemap extension to work
[16:47:23] 	pc: that information is outdated
[16:47:30] 	I have 1.11.0
[16:47:33] 	as of 1.15 you can use [[Image:foo|link=bar]]
[16:47:36] 	which is why I need outdated information
[16:47:47] 	so the Template:Click you see on en.wp no longer needs 
[16:47:50] 	but it DOES need 1.15
[16:47:56] 	so what you need, is an old version of Template:Click
[16:48:00] 	right.
[16:48:04] 	it sounds like you copied the current version
[16:48:11] 	indeed I did
[16:48:20] 	thanks. I'll try an older vers
[16:48:24] 	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Click?action=history
[16:48:35] 	Splarka: it needs 1.14+
[16:48:37] 	note that 1.11 doesn't even have #tag support, so you need the pre-#tag version if such exists
[16:48:38] 	what date would 1.11.0 be around
[16:48:39] 	Duesentrieb: I've got it working :-) 
[16:48:43] 	Emufarmers: whatever, it won't work on 1.11
[16:48:50] 	03(FIXED) KO.WP needs a mailing list, WikiKO-l. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20859  +comment (10cbass)
[16:49:08] 	in fact, I don't think in 1.11 you can even use  for this, you might need the css hover trick
[16:49:12] 	MediaWiki 1.11.0 was just about two years a go
[16:49:18] 	ago
[16:49:19] 	Splarka:  like, a filesystem permissions issue? or a basic configuration issue
[16:49:38] 	dunno from non-mediawiki
[16:49:43] 	ok reverting r57024 didn't fix my session...
[16:49:52] 	a "shit is screwed up" issue ^_^
[16:50:02] 	Splarka: it's also worth noting that I'm using list=search elsewhere in this project without issue
[16:50:38] 	03(NEW) Mobile site redirect is far too zealous - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20881 major; Normal; Wikipedia Mobile: iphone; (public)
[16:50:41] 	The mobile redirect script makes me raaaaaaaaaaaaage.
[16:50:57] 	If I load flaggedrevs.labs.wikimedia.org, I think the chances are high that I don't want en.m.wikipedia.org
[16:51:12] 	|P-S|Player140: what you might do, since you want all articles changed since a given date, is find a revision on that date, and then find your latest revision, and stick them all through the api &revids
[16:51:45] 	http://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&revids=1234567|1234568|1234569|1234570|1234571
[16:51:53] 	Natalie: probably needs some of the common.js snipped out 
[16:51:58] 	since revisions are sequential (for all intents and purposes)
[16:52:20] 	((unless you have a wiki with pre-1.5 deletions))
[16:52:21] 	Dunno. Even the "permanently leave me the hell alone" option seems to have stopped working.
[16:52:43] 	hi
[16:52:46] 	sounds like function PissOffMobileUsersSoTheyGetARealClient(); works
[16:53:02] 	A real client? It's Safari...
[16:53:10] 	03aaron * r57058 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/specialpages/ (OldReviewedPages_body.php UnreviewedPages_body.php): Fixed title prefix handing (bug 20878)
[16:53:15] 	department of redundancy department
[16:53:54] 	03(FIXED) When searching Special:OldReviewedPages for Wikipedia:Categories, Wikipedia: becomes truncated - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20878  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[16:54:00] 	hey werdna: can abusefilter check for added/removed categories (both via template and via direct input), and if not, can such a feature be added, or is post-parse checking 'spensive?
[16:55:08] 	Ok seriously folks; is login broken for other people on trunk as well or is it just me?
[16:55:35] 	03aaron * r57059 10/branches/wmf-deployment/extensions/FlaggedRevs/ (3 files in 2 dirs): merged r57058
[16:56:04] 	brion: WFM on http://test.emufarmers.com/wiki/Main_Page
[16:56:15] 	hrmmmmm
[16:56:22] 	man
[16:56:24] 	I give up
[16:56:37] 	i can get through login, but then my session's broken
[16:56:39] 	/nick Mac ?
[16:56:40] 	this is damned annoying :)
[16:56:41] 	I've just about had it with this imagemap extension
[16:56:51] 	Broken how?
[16:56:52] 	gee, I specifically gave you link to the old revision
[16:56:56] <|P-S|Player140>	Splarka: So this would give me all pages which have a newer revision than the revision with the given revision id?
[16:56:56] 	I know
[16:57:17] 	I tried using it, and still, it takes me back to the file description and NOT the page I want it to go to.
[16:57:18] <|P-S|Player140>	I think I ll try that
[16:57:42] 	|P-S|Player140: in theory yes, but you have to batch it (50 or 500 at a time, depending)
[16:58:00] 	there is probably an easier way, via an SQL query... if you're into that sorta thing
[16:58:18] 	Emufarmers: i lose logged-in status on next hit unless i check 'remember my login' which would add the token info to main cookies
[16:58:33] 	Splarka: no
[16:58:44] 	Splarka: I think it's had a bug filed.
[16:58:46] 	03siebrand * r57060 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/groups/OpenStreetMap/OpenStreetMap.yml: Update source path
[16:58:50] 	brion: maybe an extension issue?
[16:58:53] 	lemme check what's in my session...
[16:59:01] 	tried disabling centralauth; nothing else should be interfering
[17:00:06] 	werdna: use case is wikinews, who want to prevent pages from being removable from a category, so they can continue to use Intersection to sort by date-added-to-category, which gets reset by page blank vandals
[17:00:10] 	Whoa!  Did I see this right? "Brion: before you leave Wikimedia?"
[17:00:11] 	ah wait centralauth was still in
[17:00:23] 	ok with centralauth off now i've got it working
[17:00:27] 	so something's broken CA :(
[17:00:39] 	jdpond: yeah, he's taking off next month :(
[17:00:41] 	jdpond: http://techblog.wikimedia.org/2009/09/announce-brion-moving-to-statusnet/ :D
[17:00:46] 	brion: I didn't break it, I've been in Finland :)
[17:00:53] 	haha
[17:00:53] 	:O!
[17:00:56] 	those damn finns
[17:01:09] 	I recommend blaming Happy-melon
[17:01:09] 	that always works
[17:01:10] 	werdna, what you did in here? :o
[17:01:15] 	dude they have wifi on trams in helsinki
[17:01:18] 	it's awesome
[17:01:21] 	Emufarmers: first thing i checked ;)
[17:01:27] 	str4nd: just came round for 24 hours or so
[17:01:45] 	came in on a cruise ship in Helsinki Monday morning, flew out at 1350 today
[17:01:50] 	just got back to London a few minutes ago
[17:01:54] 	lots of catch up to do :D
[17:01:58] 	:o
[17:02:48] 	didn't really have time for wikimedians though :(
[17:02:55] 	I really gotta spend more time in each place.
[17:03:59] 	ok centralauth hasn't changed since last deployment... so it's gotta be on the core side. sigh
[17:04:55] 	Hate to interrupt the conversation :), but... Ok I could search but I'm lazy atm. Where's custom monobook stylesheet stored again, in file manager?
[17:05:30] 	there's no file manager
[17:05:44] 	go to the wiki page MediaWiki:Monobook.css and edit away
[17:06:04] 	er... the .php file... pulling from a backup
[17:06:39] 	it's not a php file
[17:06:50] 	what are you trying to achieve?
[17:07:00] 	hi
[17:07:10] 	trying to grab an old monobook.css
[17:07:19] 	son of a.... now the damn login works fine
[17:07:22] *brion 	stab stab stab
[17:07:28] 	ok well, on to other things then :D
[17:07:32] 	it is skins/monobook/main.css but don't edit that
[17:07:43] 	Sas: what version of mediawiki do you have?
[17:07:48] 	Splarka: BEANS
[17:08:13] 	Emufarmers: if they already edited it they'll need to replace it, heh
[17:08:13] 	03aaron * r57061 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedRevs.hooks.php: Fixed reviewLogLine(), which got broken sometime
[17:08:17] 	i have 1.15, but the backup got corrupted, only have some files, so they didn't all show on the new install
[17:08:23] 	MediaWiki:Monobook.css ships blank, btw
[17:09:09] 	14(DUP) Allow image description pages from Commons to translate content - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13291  +comment (10alex.emsenhuber)
[17:09:13] 	03(mod) Remote file descriptions languages should follow uselang= and user preferences - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17395  +comment (10alex.emsenhuber)
[17:10:56] 	03aaron * r57062 10/branches/wmf-deployment/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedRevs.hooks.php: merged r57061: review log fix
[17:11:50] 	hi werdna 
[17:12:19] 	hey Nikerabbit 
[17:13:03] 	Sas: the default monobook.css is in skins/monobook, but if you're trying to reverse your customisations, just delete the wiki page MediaWiki:Monobook.css
[17:13:37] 	Splarka: yeah, just hoping to grab the old custom monobook somewhere, from wherever it got stored
[17:13:54] 	03(mod) copy behavior of diff to last sighted when browsing as well as when using Special:OldReviewedPages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20877  (10JSchulz_4587)
[17:13:57] 	brion: http://tinyurl.com/ydnlrdu
[17:14:42] 	aww
[17:14:46] *brion 	huggles jdpond 
[17:15:05] 	Sas: if they did it right, it is in the database as a page called MediaWiki:Monobook.css
[17:15:07] 	hey brion, do you have a recommended identi.ca client for OS X?
[17:15:17] 	Since you're now a statusnet guy, I can hassle you about these things too :)
[17:15:19] 	if they did it wrong, it is in skins/monobook/main.css
[17:15:28] 	03(mod) Flagged revisions, review log: minor but very helpful enhancement - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20861  (10JSchulz_4587)
[17:15:33] 	jdpond: I like how your tinyurlization saved two characters. :)
[17:15:43] 	03siebrand * r57063 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/SpecialManageGroups.php: Edit as $wgTranslateFuzzyBotName
[17:15:51] 	which you wasted by commenting on it, nice going emu
[17:15:58] 	oops, I did it, oops, I did it again!
[17:16:17] 	Agree with above posters - if 1.16 not out by Oct 12, will drive to San Francisco in a truck and pass out pitch forks and torches.
[17:16:32] 	Emufarmers: Force of habit.
[17:16:42] 	jdpond: isn't tim in charge of releases?
[17:16:53] 	good luck driving to Aus, heh
[17:17:36] 	too bad we don't have cars that can do that
[17:17:50] 	would be quite a trip
[17:18:03] 	Don't need to drive to Aus - just cast magic spell and dust rises from the ground surrounding all and chocking the nation -  oops, I guess I already used that one up.
[17:18:49] 	*choking
[17:19:06] 	chocking sounds better
[17:21:18] 	brion: what have I done now? :P
[17:21:34] 	there shouldn't be anything in my recommit to affect login *at all*
[17:21:47] 	Nothing, surprisingly
[17:21:48] 	it was just a new function for ExternalUser and some stuff in HTMLForm
[17:21:54] 	if anything I'd expect it to break Preferences, not Login :D
[17:22:22] 	14(DUP) Navigation links, categories and {{PAGENAME}} are the ones of the Main_Page, if only ?diff= is given - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14238  +comment (10alex.emsenhuber)
[17:22:26] 	03(mod) Output on diff page uses the ?title= parameter instead of the correct title - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15233  +comment (10alex.emsenhuber)
[17:22:30] 	meow
[17:22:42] 	ran a parserTests script, now have tables prefixed parsertest_ in db... safe to drop those?
[17:23:12] 	emufarmers: well, first time for everything :D
[17:23:17] 	anyone look at https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20856 ?
[17:24:15] 	03(NEW) Have authorlist check for USERINFO file in SVN - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20882 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: CodeReview; (innocentkiller)
[17:26:21] 	03(mod) Oracle support - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=652  (10marcusminervino)
[17:27:39] 	03brion * r57064 10/trunk/phase3/includes/specials/SpecialUserrights.php: 
[17:27:39] 	Fix regression from r54429 "(bug 17864 + bug 19519) - Do input normalization on the username before doing existence/permission checks"
[17:27:39] 	This did some overactive canonicalization of the input username before username and database were split, breaking access to remote users where the database name contained an underscore -- it was changed to space.
[17:27:40] 	This would also have broken numeric access, I think, but I didn't bother to test that. :)
[17:27:42] 	Fix moves the username canonicalization down into fetchUser() after we split the name and database, so we now can access remote folks via non-canonical forms and we don't break the dbnames.
[17:28:38] <|P-S|Player140>	how can I set the limit for rclimmit to a higher value?? http://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&list=recentchanges&rclimit=2000
[17:28:55] <|P-S|Player140>	in my wiki the limit seems to be 500
[17:28:59] 	i <3 wikipedia
[17:29:08] 	sysop yourself, then the limit should be 5000
[17:29:20] 	or use rclimit=max to always get the max
[17:29:41] 	but you can query-contine list=recentchanges so the limit is kinda meaningless in the long run
[17:30:57] 	03brion * r57065 10/branches/wmf-deployment/includes/specials/SpecialUserrights.php: merge from trunk r57064 regression fix
[17:31:16] 	03(mod) Special:Userrights doesn't accept input properly - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17864  +comment (10brion)
[17:31:22] 	03(mod) Special:UserRights not allowing Flood flag if user in not capitalised - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19519  (10brion)
[17:34:27] <|P-S|Player140>	@Splarka: I am logged in as Sysop but can't get more than 500. Do I have to login via api with action=login first??
[17:35:41] 	you shouldn't have to unless the API can't see your cookies. try action=query&meta=userinfo
[17:36:30] <|P-S|Player140>	it does recorgnize me
[17:37:12] <|P-S|Player140>	but action=query&list=recentchanges&rclimit=2000 still gives me 500 only.
[17:37:15] 	then use query-continue and aggregate externally
[17:37:28] 	you'll survive
[17:37:45] 	  
[17:37:45] 	    
[17:37:49] 	03(NEW) IE8 Vector Skin plugins.combined.min.js javascript error when opening page for edit - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20883 normal; Normal; MediaWiki: Vector Skin; (ght81-wikipedia)
[17:37:58] 	-> &rcstart=20090929173735
[17:38:02] 	03(NEW) Instruction __NOTOC__ to avoid transliteration of captions stopped working - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20884 normal; Normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (obradovicgoran)
[17:39:03] <|P-S|Player140>	splarka: query-continue? where can I do that?
[17:39:20] 	where I just splained above
[17:39:50] 	http://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&list=recentchanges  gave me (several minutes ago, obviously will change fast on en.wp) 
[17:40:04] 	to continue I'd append &rcstart=20090929173735 to get http://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&list=recentchanges&rcstart=20090929173735
[17:40:58] <|P-S|Player140>	ok that's worth a try, thanks
[17:44:35] 	03(mod) Flagged revisions, review log: minor but very helpful enhancement - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20861  (10FT2.wiki)
[17:47:37] 	Ok, anything else specific I promised folks before general review?
[17:47:48] 	ah yes the setup for nimish's tracking recs
[17:48:10] <^demon>	brion: I've got something minor (you didn't promise but I've asked twice previously :p)
[17:49:04] 	^demon: remind me?
[17:49:15] <^demon>	r55322, new extension designed for mw.org. About 100 lines of code total :p
[17:50:05] 	what was it again?
[17:50:38] <^demon>	MWReleases. So we can publish the latest release from the API
[17:50:56] 	03(NEW) MWSuggest suggests unavailable special pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20885 minor; Normal; MediaWiki: Search; (maxsem.wiki)
[17:51:00] <^demon>	Goal is to let the installer/updater check/warn on installing old versions.
[17:51:10] 	03(mod) Add abusefilter-viewprivate to administrator userright on en.wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20721  +comment (10agarrett)
[17:51:13] <|P-S|Player140>	Splarka: something weird just happened: I tried to use: list=recentchanges&rclimit=500&rcstart=20090807205639 (20090807205639 is the last of the 500 entrys) but then I only get 1 result, the 20090807205639 one!
[17:51:34] 	oh god I have to catch up on wikitech-l aaaaaaaaah
[17:52:06] 	^demon: spiffy, i'll poke it in a few
[17:52:17] <^demon>	thanks.
[17:52:25] 	werdna, don't be scared as most of these messages are quite skippable
[17:52:59] 	werdna: had nice trip?
[17:53:35] 	03brion * r57066 10/branches/wmf-deployment/extensions/UsabilityInitiative/UserDailyContribs/ (. UserDailyContribs.hooks.php): Merge r57040 & r57041 mysql 4 compat fixes from trunk
[17:53:43] <|P-S|Player140>	looks like I only have 216 entries in my recent changes... But how is that possible, there are definitelly more than that!!
[17:54:04] 	recentchanges aren't stored forever
[17:54:13] <|P-S|Player140>	thats not nice
[17:54:19] 	 |P-S|Player140: the recent changes table won't help if the date you wish to go to is farther back than your rcmaxage is set to
[17:54:25] 	"RECENT" changes
[17:54:29] 	no, that's why they're called 'recent'
[17:54:43] 	Nikerabbit: 'twas awesome
[17:54:46] 	:O
[17:54:48] 	got a few hundred pictures :)
[17:54:49] 	you can use the &revids trick I mentioned earlier to go back as far as you want, and/or use custom SQL
[17:55:00] 	they are callsed fresh changes in some languages
[17:55:05] 	werdna: only :o
[17:55:57] <|P-S|Player140>	Splarka: but I don't set a rcmaxage in the api query... 
[17:56:34] <|P-S|Player140>	or what's rcmaxage ??
[17:57:07] 	Nikerabbit: :))
[17:57:13] 	Nikerabbit: I love your tram-wifi
[17:57:14] 	rcmaxage is a setting your wiki uses to determine how long to store changes in the recent changes table
[17:57:27] 	it will do you no good to set it after-the-fact as those changes are already discarded
[17:57:30] <|P-S|Player140>	ko just found it: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgRCMaxAge
[17:57:51] 	so if you want data older than your default setting for that, you can't use the recent changes table
[17:57:56] <^demon>	Splarka: maybe. you could set it then rebuild rc.
[17:57:59] 	werdna: I would love too, but tram is the vehicle I use least :o
[17:58:05] 	^demon: don't confuse him too much
[17:58:15] *^demon 	was just saying ;-)
[17:58:23] *OuKB 	already screams HEEEELP on behalf of |P-S|Player140's database
[17:58:56] 	|P-S|Player140: the data is there in your database, but not via recent changes, if you focus too much on trying to make recent changes fit the mold, you'll only waste time
[17:59:11] <|P-S|Player140>	But the history of each page can be older than rcmaxage or not?
[17:59:37] 	history is stored forever (unless you delete it AND purge it via a maintenance script)
[18:00:02] <|P-S|Player140>	so why doesn't work recentchanges thru history datas...
[18:00:11] <|P-S|Player140>	perhaps because of performance reasons i guess
[18:00:20] 	*facepalm*
[18:00:28] 	because it's RECENT CHANGES ^_^
[18:00:49] 	it is a separate table stored for a short time in order to facilitate watching and acting upon the recent changes to a wiki
[18:01:21] <|P-S|Player140>	I will set this to 1 year I think :P
[18:02:11] <|P-S|Player140>	nice, there is a rebuild recent changes function :D
[18:02:28] <|P-S|Player140>	I will try that one
[18:02:59] 	|P-S|Player140: yes, for perf; pulling from the separate recentchanges table generally is cheaper than pulling from the entire revision table
[18:03:06] 	so we store up to the last X days in there
[18:03:27] 	plus there's some additional temporary data in there like the patrolling flags
[18:03:28] <^demon>	Splarka: what was that about my idea being confusing? ;-)
[18:03:30] 	might eventually migrate to something more solid :)
[18:03:38] 	*facepalm*
[18:03:45] 	^demon: it's all your fault
[18:03:50] <^demon>	brion: solid...like stone tablets?
[18:04:14] 	|P-S|Player140: maybe you want to take a trip across the US on a tricycle, simply because you can
[18:04:25] 	but don't be surprised if people point and giggle
[18:04:32] 	so the patrolling flags are not kept forever ?
[18:04:34] 	03(mod) Run cleanupTitles.php and cleanupImages.php on any wikis with unicode whitespace in page/file names - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20741  (10zephyrus4)
[18:04:49] *^demon 	sends Splarka across the US on a tricycle
[18:04:53] 	^demon: that might be too heavy :D
[18:04:55] 	TheWoozle: a better example are bot flags
[18:05:11] 	edits made via bots (or via &bot=1 in the api) are discarded as they scroll off the rc
[18:05:21] 	er, the flag on them, rather
[18:05:30] *TheWoozle 	forwards the highlight to ThomasV 
[18:05:36] <^demon>	brion: Yeah...and i'd feel bad for Rob having to swap out the tablets when they run out of space. Heavy and all.
[18:05:54] 	ack, ThomasV, even, heh
[18:06:00] 	durn typeahead ;-)
[18:06:09] *TheWoozle 	sets the DWIM flag
[18:06:13] 	no, darn 'Th's
[18:06:39] 	Better? ^_^
[18:06:40] <^demon>	And yet people complain about typeahead with my nick.
[18:07:04] 	thanks Woozalia 
[18:07:12] 	no prob.
[18:07:13] 	^top ^andstick
[18:08:15] 	^demon: that reminds me of the summer job when i was 15 swapping old backup tapes being restored to optical disc
[18:08:21] 	[which i'm pretty sure was a data black hole]
[18:09:54] <^demon>	hehe.
[18:10:09] *^demon 	isn't old enough for that :)
[18:13:01] 	the 90s were a simpler time ;)
[18:13:12] 	hey awesome
[18:13:33] 	I can register for iris recognition based systems for getting into the UK
[18:13:49] 	that means no going through immigration and being abused by the immigration officials for daring to enter their country
[18:13:52] 	whoa
[18:13:57] 	that's some serious james bond shit there
[18:14:07] <^demon>	brion: and in 10 years I get to make similar comments to people who never used a floppy disk
[18:14:29] 	brion: it's free to anybody with a UK passport or VISA
[18:14:41] 	just have to have a flight departing rom Gatwick or heathrow
[18:14:59] 	^demon: or dialup
[18:15:20] <^demon>	hehe :)
[18:15:31] 	dialup will survive the next ten years, thanks to third world
[18:15:37] 	bah these T-mobile ads piss me off.. "Top up 10 piounds a month and get free texts for life"
[18:15:52] 	wow, that's just like... paying 10 GBP per month for unlimited texts.
[18:15:53] 	OuKB: actually, it's probably mostly thanks to Splarka
[18:15:55] 	life=1 week? o_0
[18:16:11] <^demon>	werdna: At least in the US tmo ads have Catherine Zeta Jones :p
[18:16:44] 	^demon: they go into the streets and ask "what would you do with free texts for life", with various people who describe it as "mind-boggling"
[18:16:56] 	Free texts for life. That's just like... email :P
[18:17:17] 	Also, I'm not sure whether people in the third world are actually going to use dialup; I thought they were all just going to do everything on their phones?
[18:17:32] <^demon>	Emufarmers: yeah apparently.
[18:17:45] 	But there'll always be the Splarka market
[18:17:51] 	sms seems to be the killer app for the third world
[18:18:04] 	brion: did you have a suggestion for identi.ca client for OS X?
[18:18:10] 	bah, gtg
[18:18:10] 	check this wacky stuff out: http://www.nokia.com/NOKIA_COM_1/Microsites/Entry_Event/phones/Nokia_Life_Tools_datasheet.pdf
[18:18:21] 	brion: SMS is more expensive per byte than sending data to Voyager past Pluto
[18:18:40] 	werdna: I'm actually playing right now with Adium beta; 1.4b9 has twitter/laconica api support and seems to work ok with identica
[18:18:46] 	O RLY
[18:19:05] 	I already use Adium, convenient
[18:19:09] 	it's a little nicer than using the xmpp bridge, but only updates on pull :(
[18:19:37] 	brion: did you also get sick of Nambu being lame about updates and such? :)
[18:19:54] 	Yeah, last i tried nambu was being very flaky (better in iphone ver)
[18:20:01] 	there might be more updates in the private beta, haven't checked
[18:20:14] 	But honestly I mostly use the web interface :D
[18:20:33] 	Anything else that uses twitter API that lets you override the URL should in theory work though
[18:20:37] 	werdna: Is that for all Commonwealth citizens?
[18:21:06] *^demon 	hopes people remember Android
[18:21:12] 	RoanKattouw: it's for EU/EEA, anybody with Leave to Enter, and citizens
[18:21:33] 	^demon: there's several things going on on android; i haven't followed as closely as i don't have a device handy :)
[18:22:07] <^demon>	They just dropped the 1.6 framework (donut?) recently.
[18:22:16] 	So EU citizens even?
[18:22:27] <^demon>	Yeah. It was cupcake, donut and next one is eclair.
[18:23:25] 	RoanKattouw: sure, just register in the terminal when you depart from Heathrow or Gatwick (Gatwick only in the morning) http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/managingborders/technology/iris/
[18:23:43] 	it's free, takes only 20 minutes
[18:25:06] 	brion: trying to track down the beta :)
[18:25:13] 	Right; only problem is I never fly to the UK
[18:25:35] 	brion: Nambu was broken on Snow Leopard, and the fix was in the private beta, which had identica and ping.fm support removed
[18:25:45] 	of course if it were open source, we could backport the fix
[18:25:58] 	but I asked them to open-source it a few months ago, and they just flat-out refused, giving no reason
[18:26:22] 	first they had to steal your passport to impost you, then they had to cut off your finger, now your eyes are under threat
[18:29:41] 	werdna: by amazing coincidence adium is open source :)
[18:30:27] 	brion: I love Adium
[18:30:29] 	it's so awesome
[18:31:00] 	^demon: might be good to have a default value on mwreleases-list with comments showing the format
[18:31:43] 	be pretty easy to strip lines starting with # and include a sample. you want to add or shall i?
[18:31:43] 	takes forever to download though :(
[18:33:00] 	oh yay, time for... sudo port install mercurial
[18:33:21] <^demon>	brion: Can't commit til I get home, go ahead if you want. If not I'll hit it this evening.
[18:33:44] 	whee, the only non-retarded DVCS
[18:33:58] 	ok thx
[18:34:02] 	heh
[18:34:26] 	http://trac.adium.im/wiki/GettingNewestAdiumSource <- adium's using hg
[18:35:24] <^demon>	Capital One blocks all non-port-80 outgoing from the network. Not worth the effort to set up a bridge somewhere.
[18:36:00] 	^demon: can you give a sample string real quick? n oexample at http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:MWReleases :)
[18:36:10] 	i'm unclear on what the 'status' portion of each line should show
[18:36:14] <^demon>	Yeah.
[18:36:52] 	just 'current' or empty?
[18:36:58] 	woohoo, I found it... good thing we have cds
[18:38:23] <^demon>	brion: I do current: and supported:
[18:38:46] <^demon>	!e MWReleases | brion
[18:38:46] --mwbot--	brion: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:MWReleases
[18:38:52] <^demon>	Added the sample.
[18:40:25] <^demon>	Theoretically, it could be anything other than current, since that's the only thing I explicitly check for :p
[18:41:27] 	hmm, and then a parser function like {{#release:current}}, could be added, so that there would be only one place to change when releasing
[18:42:08] <^demon>	I considered that :)
[18:42:57] <^demon>	Never got around to adding it though...patches welcome.
[18:42:58] 	^demon: as far as i see only 'current' gets exported though
[18:43:08] 	ah ok
[18:43:19] 	03(mod) IE8 Vector Skin plugins.combined.min.js javascript error when opening page for edit - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20883  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[18:44:10] <^demon>	brion: Sure? It should add all releases listed and add a current="" param on the current release.
[18:45:04] 	oh hey, someone wanted a permanent link to the latest release, like a redirect or symlink on download.wikimedia.org, but maybe there could be a Special:Something to 302 bounce, like Special:Release?action=currentstable
[18:45:42] 	Notice: Undefined offset: 1 in /Library/WebServer/Documents/trunk/extensions/MWReleases/ApiMWReleases.php on line 16 for invalid lines. easy fix
[18:45:47] 	^demon: right it just doesn't expose what that val was if it wasn't 'current' :)
[18:46:48] <^demon>	Arguably it doesn't matter, but I see your point.
[18:47:09] <^demon>	Things like beta='' would be nice too, when testing things like trunk.
[18:49:27] 	brion: your name is in the top-right corner of identi.ca :D
[18:49:27] 	awesome :P
[18:51:43] 	03(mod) IE8 Vector Skin plugins.combined.min.js javascript error when opening page for edit - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20883  (10ght81-wikipedia)
[18:53:18] 	brion: can't find the correct identi.ca API path on the wiki :/
[18:53:50] *^demon 	dives back into [[Ab Initio]]
[18:54:02] <^demon>	(The product, not the article)
[18:55:44] 	03(NEW) Hebrew language file is incomplete - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20886 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: Semantic MediaWiki; (temlakos)
[18:55:52] 	03(mod) Oracle support - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=652  (10marcusminervino)
[18:57:32] 	03brion * r57067 10/trunk/extensions/MWReleases/ (ApiMWReleases.php MWReleases.i18n.php): 
[18:57:32] 	Couple quick tweaks per IRC discussion:
[18:57:32] 	* skip comments
[18:57:32] 	* skip invalid lines
[18:57:32] 	* add sample comments to mwreleases-list message default
[18:57:45] 	03(mod) Semantic MediaWiki Hebrew language file is incomplete - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20886   +patch; summary (10sam)
[18:58:46] 	03brion * r57068 10/branches/wmf-deployment/extensions/MWReleases/: Copy MWReleases api ext from trunk r57067
[18:58:46] 	^ easy one for someone. haha
[18:58:53] 	14(INVALID) Semantic MediaWiki Hebrew language file is incomplete - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20886  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[18:59:00] 	very
[19:00:55] <^demon>	brion: whee awesome thanks!
[19:02:36] <^demon>	Hahaha. [[mw:User:Yssammeppi]]
[19:11:54] 	03tomasz * r57069 10/trunk/extensions/ContributionReporting/ContributionTrackingStatistics_body.php: sortable tables have more fun
[19:12:58] 	^demon: http://www.mediawiki.org/w/api.php?action=mwreleases
[19:13:13] 	Whee
[19:16:45] 	03raymond * r57070 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/groups/MediaWikiExtensions.php: MWReleases is live now :)
[19:18:09] 	03catrope * r57071 10/trunk/extensions/UsabilityInitiative/ (5 files in 4 dirs): UsabilityInitiative: Fix some stuff that IE chokes on; hopefully this resolves bug 20673 and bug 20883
[19:19:44] 	03brion * r57072 10/branches/wmf-deployment/maintenance/addwiki.php: add extensions/UsabilityInitiative/UserDailyContribs/UserDailyContribs.sql
[19:20:39] 	03(mod) IE8 Vector Skin plugins.combined.min.js javascript error when opening page for edit - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20883  (10roan.kattouw)
[19:27:58] *^demon 	is back
[19:29:47] 	03(mod) IE8 Vector Skin plugins.combined.min.js javascript error when opening page for edit - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20883  (10ght81-wikipedia)
[19:30:19] 	hey ^d	
[19:30:35] 	^demon: can you give me an examle URL for MWReleases pls? how it works?
[19:30:40] 	^demon
[19:31:09] <^demon>	Raymond_: action=mwreleases :)
[19:31:13] <^demon>	that's it :p
[19:33:05] 	^demon: got it :) 
[19:33:36] <^demon>	More info at [[mw:Extension:MWReleases]], too
[19:33:57] 	http://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=User:%5Edemon&curid=25633&diff=278301&oldid=276938
[19:34:32] 	03catrope * r57073 10/trunk/extensions/UsabilityInitiative/js/ (3 files in 2 dirs): UsabilityInitiative: (bug 20883) Fix JavaScript error in IE
[19:35:55] 	03(mod) IE8 Vector Skin plugins.combined.min.js javascript error when opening page for edit - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20883  (10roan.kattouw)
[19:36:25] <^demon>	OuKB: That's what I get for reverting him and telling him {{test}}
[19:36:45] 	should have shot him on sight:P
[19:36:59] <^demon>	I'm too nice some days.
[19:37:07] *^demon 	gets the banhammer out
[19:37:53] <^demon>	Hmmm, the descriptionmsg for MWReleases isn't showing on Special:Version
[19:38:51] 	03catrope * r57074 10/trunk/extensions/UsabilityInitiative/ (3 files in 3 dirs): UsabilityInitiative: Put usability features in their own "Experimental features" section in the Editing tab in Special:Preferences.
[19:40:14] <^demon>	OuKB: Not a problem any more.
[19:40:43] 	rouge sysop abuse!
[19:40:57] 	^demon: i'm wondering if that might be some weird interaction with localisationupdate
[19:40:58] 	03(mod) Public Autoblock is not hidden on Special:BlockList after hideuser - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20267  (10agarrett)
[19:44:04] 	Has anyone seen PatrolLog.php blow up in 1.15.1 when editing pages?
[19:44:06] 	http://dpaste.org/xcwS/
[19:44:21] 	No?
[19:44:31] 	03(mod) Basic XML Feed support for watchlist (implementation idea: token) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=471  (10agarrett)
[19:44:31] 	it's not every time :)
[19:44:41] 	but I have a page consistently failing
[19:45:05] 	NivFreak: you need to raise the memory limit
[19:45:07] 	brion: Theoretically, that shouldn't be possible; l10nupdate doesn't touch msgs when the English translations don't match
[19:45:18] 	cirwin: it's set to 128m, but now I'm wondering if I restarted apache :)
[19:45:21] 	one sec
[19:45:37] 	well there's theory and then there's bugs ;) just a thought, haven't had time or inclination to look into it
[19:45:42] 	Aye
[19:46:23] 	still no dice :)
[19:46:37] 	well, that error message implies that it is limited to 20MB
[19:46:49] 	03(mod) IE8 Vector Skin plugins.combined.min.js javascript error when opening page for edit - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20883  (10ght81-wikipedia)
[19:47:26] 	does it not respec the system php.ini?
[19:47:34] 	respect*
[19:48:05] 	NivFreak: remove the override from LocalSettings.php.
[19:48:07] 	I'll try it in localseetings
[19:48:20] 	haha
[19:48:20] 	ok
[19:48:24] 	I didn't expect that
[19:48:25] 	thanks
[19:48:53] 	that worked great, thank you very much for your help
[19:49:05] 	03(FIXED) IE8 Vector Skin plugins.combined.min.js javascript error when opening page for edit - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20883  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[19:49:20] 	I just went from 1.4.5 -> 1.15.1
[19:49:34] 	completely painless? :p
[19:49:43] 	actually, it has been pretty good
[19:50:04] 	I ran across some pages that completely mess up 1.15.1, that were tolerated in 1.4.5
[19:50:21] 	including some bad table html tags that even move the sidebar
[19:51:35] 	03(mod) copy behavior of diff to last sighted when browsing as well as when using Special:OldReviewedPages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20877  (10pbirken)
[19:51:54] 	http://dpaste.org/qIGD/ <- put that one in as a new page, it's funny ;)
[19:52:25] 	03(mod) Navigable TOC : The functionality is missing for Opera 9.0 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20874  (10roan.kattouw)
[19:52:56] 	I need to update an in-house extension someone wrote for 1.4, can you guys suggest any documentation?
[19:54:25] 	NivFreak: what does it do?
[19:54:33] 	hey avar
[19:54:47] 	hey
[19:54:52] 	avar: it just parses some formatted data and prints back out a schedule
[19:55:16] 	03(NEW) LiquidThreads needs to validate subject - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20887 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: LiquidThreads; (agarrett)
[19:55:48] 	NivFreak: Then it'll very likely work as-is or with few modifications once you use whatever changes to the parser hooks have happened in that time. Just check out some existing parser hooks in /extensions
[19:55:53] 	wikibugs: have fun in berlin?
[19:56:19] 	yea, it certainly needs a few modifications, I was just wonder if there was a doc that spelled out those changes betwen releases
[19:56:21] 	Oh I'm sure wikibugs had lots of fun in Berlin
[19:56:26] 	wikibugs knows how to have a good time
[19:57:00] 	haha
[19:57:10] 	s/wikibugs/werdna/
[19:57:15] 	03(NEW) Subject field not appearing on LiquidThreads edit form - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20888 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: LiquidThreads; (agarrett)
[19:57:19] 	avar: berlin is aaawesome
[19:57:53] 	brion, ^demon: shouldn't there be something different for 1.6?  It's not really "supported"; it's more that it's "tolerated." :)
[19:58:06] 	Emufarmers: i'd recommend just dropping it
[19:58:13] 	we shouldn't be recommending it to anyone :)
[19:58:22] 	Well
[19:58:49] 	03(NEW) LiquidThreads TOC counts only direct replies - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20889 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: LiquidThreads; (agarrett)
[19:59:29] 	We could release 1.6.11 and have it yell at you if you have PHP5, heh; I imagine there are still people who install the wrong version.
[20:00:12] 	(or it could whine and tell you to get a new host when you're installing it even if you don't have PHP5)
[20:01:01] 	Anyway, it should probably be current:1.15.1 supported:1.14.1 legacy:1.6.12 or something
[20:01:58] 	how about the people who think .6 > .15 ?
[20:02:49] 	Yeah, there is that
[20:06:51] 	03(mod) Basic XML Feed support for watchlist (implementation idea: token) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=471  (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[20:07:10] 	How could I tell a version of mediawiki
[20:07:15] 	without special:version
[20:07:35] 	I have access to the files
[20:07:43] 	can someone help me with section => one = ?
[20:07:49] 	includes/DefaultSettings.php
[20:07:51] 	so does it tell...?
[20:07:56] 	ahthanks
[20:08:05] 	and search for $wgVersion
[20:08:42] 	ok
[20:08:59] 	it should be at the top of the file
[20:09:23] 	and uh I get an error
[20:09:32] 	Fatal error: Class 'DeletedContributionsPage' not found in /home/.shark/upedia/userpedia.adriels.com/includes/SpecialPage.php on line 370
[20:09:36] 	03(mod) Basic XML Feed support for watchlist (implementation idea: token) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=471  (10agarrett)
[20:09:36] 	I'm thinking I rewrite the files
[20:09:40] 	with the default mediawiki stuff
[20:12:08] 	Good idea
[20:12:11] 	You're running 1.13.4, by the way
[20:12:20] 	Now's your chance to upgrade ^_^
[20:12:51] 	nobody? :-/
[20:13:02] 	Lastwebpage: What's your question exactly?
[20:14:13] 	I know that one = makes trouble in the table of contents, but I can't reproduce this
[20:14:22] 	It doesn't necessarily make trouble
[20:14:29] 	Depends on how you're using it
[20:15:01] 	with a "deeper" table of content it makes trouble
[20:15:16] 	but I can't reproduce it.
[20:15:31] 	==Foo==  ===Foo===  =Foo=  ==Foo==  ===Foo===
[20:15:45] 	you should always stack them right, starting a page with the highest  you'll use for the whole page
[20:16:15] 	otherwise you'll get oddities, that for example will make 1, 1.1, 2, 2.1, 2.1.1, where 1 and 2 are different 
[20:16:42] 	why do you need to "reproduce"?
[20:17:07] 	It's a genetic drive
[20:17:19] 	yes, but I know that there was a problem with =Foo= ==Foo==  =Foo=  ==Foo==  ===Foo=== or something like this too
[20:19:32] 	in template parameters, =Foo= can confuse the parser (or not do what you expect) where ==Foo== will work more normally
[20:20:38] 	it will appear but not have an edit link, IIRC
[20:21:58] 	no, that's not what I mean. I can remember that we had an issue on sites with a deeper table of content when we use = instead ==
[20:22:37] 	but I can't reproduce it
[20:22:59] 	then it doesn't exist
[20:26:17] 	If a bug appears on a webpage and a developer isn't around, does it make an error?
[20:26:54] 	Emufarmers: Like the tree in the forest?
[20:27:09] 	it makes it a feature
[20:27:27] 	strange, but okay. :/
[20:29:06] 	RoanKattouw: yes, that's what I was getting at
[20:34:18] 	03catrope * r57075 10/trunk/extensions/UsabilityInitiative/EditToolbar/ (4 files): EditToolbar: Per this morning's meeting, get rid of the "Replace all" checkbox and change the buttons from "Replace/Cancel" to "Find next/Replace next/Replace all/Cancel"
[20:35:04] 	You must have fun meetings.
[20:35:52] 	Aye, with fragile Skype connections and stuff
[20:37:35] 	We had a four-way call with the San Francisco office, me (in the Netherlands), Hannes (Germany) and Adam (East coast, I think)
[20:44:03] 	(ab|acc|aro|def|dis|eff|inf|mis|per|ref|caro|conf|cont|diff|over|suff|appla|disab|under|menop|whoreho|interdiff)usability
[20:45:51] 	enth
[20:45:54] 	carousability?
[20:45:59] 	oh, I get it
[20:46:01] 	hurr.
[20:46:16] *Splarka 	was getting silly by the end, so nyah
[20:46:27] 	Yes, I kind of got that part :v
[20:55:24] 	03siebrand * r57076 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/groups/mediawiki-defines.txt: Ignore mwreleases-list
[20:58:18] 	trying to paste a config file with pound signs in it to a mediawiki wiki. Is there a way to use nowiki to put a return at the end of each line or a way to make a literal pound sign?
[20:58:49] 	
    [20:59:21] 	doh. thanks
[20:59:38] 	np
[21:00:01] 	no you can't also have line wraps, but you can 
    , heh
[21:01:32] 	scooby2, what happens if you use pre tags?
[21:01:40] 	scooby2, and pound as in UKP or as in # ?
[21:02:55] *Splarka 	snickers
[21:13:45] 	03yaron * r57077 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticDrilldown/includes/SD_GlobalFunctions.php: Added 'Has display parameters' property, David Loomer as author
[21:16:09] 	03yaron * r57078 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticDrilldown/languages/ (SD_Language.php SD_LanguageEn.php): Added 'Has display parameters' property
[21:17:21] 	03yaron * r57079 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticDrilldown/includes/SD_Settings.php: Removed $sdgNumResultsColumns variable - no longer necessary
[21:18:25] 	03(NEW) LiquidThreads should store read/unread status for all messages for all users - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20890 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: LiquidThreads; (agarrett)
[21:18:58] 	03yaron * r57080 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticDrilldown/includes/SD_Utils.inc: Added getDisplayParamsForCategory(), removed support for SMW < 1.4
[21:21:03] 	werdna: the plural of "status" is "status" (or "statuses," of course).
[21:21:20] 	but stati sounds so much more leet
[21:21:23] 	Emufarmers: thanks for the information.
[21:22:30] 	http://sarcasmdetector.ytmnd.com/ readings are unclear...
[21:23:26] 	I like the effect you get if you highlight the shadows on that page
[21:23:28] 	It's amazing: when you're done with school you'll be fully qualified to create innovative programs that change the world.  When I'm done with school, I'll be qualified to tell people how to form dumb plurals.
[21:24:09] 	03tomasz * r57081 10/branches/wmf-deployment/extensions/ActiveAbstract/: We need active abstract for the xml snapshots and it seems to have never made it in
[21:26:58] 	03(NEW) LQT needs a clear between posts - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20891 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: LiquidThreads; (agarrett)
[21:32:32] 	03siebrand * r57082 10/trunk/phase3/ (17 files in 2 dirs): Localisation updates for core messages from translatewiki.net (2009-09-29 20:59 UTC)
[21:34:55] 	kim_bruning: pre tags work perfectly. Sorry yes pound as in #.
[21:37:24] 	03brion * r57083 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ (Export.php specials/SpecialExport.php): 
[21:37:24] 	Cleanup for r56298 "(bug 18180) Special:Export ignores limit, dir, offset parameters. Patch by azliq7"
[21:37:24] 	Reorder the checks so that we get the is_array() out of the way first instead of relying on the weird type interaction between the array and the integers when doing binary AND. :)
[21:37:24] 	Also made a fix so this actually works when $wgExportMaxHistory is set to 0, which per doc comment seems like it should not limit.
[21:37:42] 	03(mod) Special:Export ignores parameters limit, dir and offset - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18180  (10brion)
[21:38:34] 	03demon * r57084 10/trunk/extensions/MWReleases/MWReleases.php: Make version a string so Special:Version shows it right. Also bump minor version from fixes in r57067
[21:53:19] 	04(REOPENED) Cancel link from edit page always returns to current version instead of version being edited - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20517  +comment (10brion)
[21:54:34] 	03siebrand * r57085 10/trunk/extensions/ (39 files in 37 dirs): Localisation updates for extension messages from translatewiki.net (2009-09-29 20:59 UTC)
[21:56:59] 	03yaron * r57086 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticDrilldown/specials/SD_BrowseData.php: 
[21:56:59] 	Changes mostly from David Loomer - BrowseData page now optionally gets display
[21:56:59] 	parameters from category page, and uses SMW's 'category' format to display
[21:56:59] 	results by default, instead of implementing that format itself; for that reason,
[21:56:59] 	SD now requires SMW 1.4.3
[21:57:34] 	03yaron * r57087 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticDrilldown/INSTALL: New version: 0.6
[22:13:20] 	03yaron * r57088 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticDrilldown/specials/SD_CreateFilter.php: Removed support for SMW < 1.4
[22:26:31] 	03yaron * r57089 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticDrilldown/specials/SD_BrowseData.php: Fixed typo
[22:35:24] 	booyah
[22:35:25] 	reviewin' code it's so fun
[22:35:29] 	reviewin' code it's so fine
[22:35:40] 	la la la la woo-oooh-ooooooooh
[22:36:44] *Emufarmers 	updates the songs page
[22:37:53] 	Special:Lyrics
[22:38:10] 	For LyricsWiki?
[22:38:13] <^demon>	!songs | brion
[22:38:13] --mwbot--	brion: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Songs
[22:38:40] 	GreenAway: nah, they'd probably be afraid they'd get sued.
[22:38:48] 	hehe
[22:40:56] 	brion: I've had a few requests to share MediaWikiAuth (an AuthPlugin for MediaWiki that we're using on WikiFur to aid the transition from Wikia), but it currently requires a few patches and I'm not sure all or any of them would be accepted. Does it sound like a good idea to just put it up in a new extensions directory with patch files for now?
[22:41:28] 	03(NEW) Add ability to detect deleted revisions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20892 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: AbuseFilter; (gtisza)
[22:41:50] 	GreenAway: sure, let's start there and we'll take a peek 
[22:45:11] 	It's my first extension, and it does some moderatly evil things to import settings/merge userids (for which there may be better methods). So very much experimental, as marked. :-)
[22:45:13] *GreenAway 	heads home.
[22:45:38] 	hey guys, got a huge problem.. kind of an emergency id like help with... 
[22:45:47] 	so Im moving my wiki server to another box
[22:45:48] 	A less evil alternative to CentralAuth for merging wikis would be good.
[22:45:50] 	sounds fun GreenAway :)
[22:45:55] *^demon 	starts a poll "Who still cares about 1.6.x?"
[22:45:55] 	Duxa: what's up?
[22:46:00] 	^demon: notme
[22:47:04] 	Tim backported fixes to it as recently as February, so Tim, maybe.
[22:47:07] 	I installed Xampplite no problem, and moved over one of the 2 wiki's over no problem.. it runs great... now im trying to move the second one.. but when I click on phpMyAdmin in xampp to get to the databases so I can import the second wiki's db it gives me an error Cannot connect: invalid settings.  phpMyAdmin tried to connect to the MySQL server, and the server rejected the connection.
[22:47:24] 	im not super good about mysql/php etc.. so i dont even know where to start.. not sure what caused it
[22:47:40] 	i imported the 1st wiki's db.. thats all I did with the mysql
[22:48:16] 	hrm
[22:48:33] <^demon>	Duxa: Sounds like a phpmyadmin issue :) Try checking 'config.inc.php' to make sure all the usernames/passwords are right. It's in your phpmyadmin folder (should be in the base XAMPP folder)
[22:48:34] 	well that's very... mysterious
[22:48:47] *^demon 	has used XAMPP more times than he can count :)
[22:49:20] 	i mean i think i know what happened.. the old wiki db had no password.. just used root as username and no pass.. the newer wiki requires a password.. so i used 12345... so that might be the problem? its trying to get in using blank instead of 12345? but i dunno where to change that... i changed it from blank to 12345 when setting up mediawiki
[22:49:37] 	checking now ^demon
[22:51:02] *^demon 	stabs XAMPP maintainers for leaving mysql root password blank by default
[22:51:15] 	where did you set 1234 as the password
[22:51:22] 	Emufarmers:  the people that use the old php care
[22:52:08] <^demon>	p858snake|bed: By that argument we should be supporting php3 as well....
[22:52:50] 	thats probably why 1.1 and 1.2 installs are floating around somewhere
[22:53:36] 	woot that worked.. thanks ^demon and p858snake|bed... i chagned it when setting up the wiki.. here are hte steps i took... 1) Fresh Xampplite install 2) copy over old files (physical dir) 3) import db 4)overwrite old wiki files with new (updated) wiki files 5) rename localsettings.php and run installer for mediawiki... (this is where i set it to 12345 cuz it wouldnt let me keep blank)... 6) let it run through and adjust the db to work with new wiki ve
[22:53:40] 	03siebrand * r57090 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/scripts/poimport.php: Fix broken namespace retrieval and update comment
[22:53:47] <^demon>	Duxa: Yay :)
[22:54:07] <^demon>	p858snake|bed: Which is why we point people to upgrade. You can't indefinitely support back releases, just because people are using outdated software.
[22:54:56] 	not everyone can upgrade their systems thou which is why we someswhat still care about 1.6
[22:55:45] <^demon>	If you're on a host that has PHP4, no PHP5 and your host refuses to upgrade....you need to switch hosts.
[22:56:37] 	some people are using servers hosted in their school/uni/college or whatever which are controlled by other depts so they have no immediate rights to them
[22:58:56] <^demon>	p858snake: I would argue their sysadmins need to do a slightly better job at maintaining their software to at least somewhat recent versions.
[22:59:10] <^demon>	I know that doesn't fix their problem...but still....
[23:00:06] <^demon>	My point is you can't maintain it forever because *somebody* out there is running old software. At some point you have to say "it's not worth it anymore" and cut it.
[23:01:38] 	you can get a PHP5 host for $3/month
[23:05:03] 	php5 for $3! that  means you should get php4 for $2.40 ...
[23:08:16] *^demon 	finds a php3 host for $0.99/mo
[23:08:43] 	Hi, I have a problem with parserfunctions. If I use a "if" command, say, "{{#if:{{{Daniel|}}}|say daniel exists}}" i'm fine; but, what if I want to use a wiki TABLE if something exists? the "|
[23:08:48] 	" symbol drives it crazy
[23:12:10] 	DanielTahar: the wikipedia soltuion is {{!}} which expands to a |
[23:12:30] 	it's not perfect, but it works in some cases - otherwise just use real tables in templates
[23:12:48] 	yeah... i really prefer to keep away from real tables, that's what I did last time and now i see it's so easy with the syntax
[23:12:58] 	what expands to a "!" by the way
[23:13:46] 	http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:!&action=edit
[23:14:02] 	! already is a !
[23:14:11] 	oh ok
[23:16:46] 	03brion * r57091 10/trunk/phase3/ (5 files in 4 dirs): 
[23:16:46] 	Revert r56635 "Implement a 'root' permission, which grants all other permissions. Useful for debugging and administration."
[23:16:46] 	I'd much rather keep permission keys clean and separate.
[23:20:13] 	03siebrand * r57092 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (51 files): Follow-up r57091 (revert r56635): rebuild language files
[23:22:42] 	^demon: nobody (except your hospital or whatever :)) uses PHP3.  I don't know what percentage of hosts use PHP4, but it's not an insignificant portion.
[23:30:32] 	03(mod) Add datepicker input type - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20785  (10yaron57)
[23:32:02] 	03(FIXED) Image thumbs near the articles title text on browsedata page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14939  +comment (10yaron57)
[23:36:04] 	04(REOPENED) Patch: wfShellExec() malfunctioning on NT Build 7100 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20353  +comment (10brion)
[23:36:37] 	^demon|away: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/56731#c4197 ?
[23:45:03] 	 older than one year?  that's a pretty useless figure  <-- What do you mean?
[23:56:22] <^demon>	brion: That situation with the command line is weird. I'm not really sure _exactly_ what's going on here. I'm fuzzy on Windows CLI syntax, but there _were_ extra quotes getting tacked on.
[23:56:22] <^demon>	 I was able to reproduce in NT builds from XP && Vista, and the patch fixed the bugs in both. I don't have any older NT builds lying around so I went with his NT build ID that he used as a best guess.
[23:56:51] <^demon>	Emufarmers: Damn the nonbelievers!
[23:58:30] 	^demon: _where_ were the quotes?
[23:58:43] 	what exactly generated the 'cmd.exe /c "blah"'?
[23:59:11] 	i ask because it's not there in wfShellExec
[23:59:38] 	is it in php as per tim's bug report? http://news.php.net/php.internals/21796
[23:59:39] <^demon>	I'm not sure at all. PHP/newer Windows?
[23:59:50] 	if so then it's nothing to do with windows build maybe; it'll be the version of php