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00:01 < brion> ok... letting core do its merge while i go poke at some more extensions...
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00:03 < ^demon> brion: Got a copy of War & Peace while that merge finishes? :p
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00:03 < RoanKattouw> ^demon: He's got a copy of trunk/extensions , that'll do
00:04 < brion> hehe
00:06 < werdna> I've set up http://liquidthreads.labs.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page
00:06 < thedj> i'm have commons set as my local shared repo.
00:06 < thedj> but image redirects on commons don't work for me.
00:06 < CIA-12> siebrand * r57159 /trunk/phase3/ (67 files in 2 dirs): Localisation updates for core messages from translatewiki.net (2009-09-30 20:46 UTC)
00:06 < thedj> is there a special setting for that ?
00:07 < Reedy> brion, thats another ;)
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00:07  * brion shakes fist :)
00:08 < Reedy> haha
00:08 < brion> thedj: ForeignApiRepo may need to be updated for that
00:08  * ^demon hides
00:08 < ^demon> Don't look at me!
00:08 < werdna> brion: would non-regenerated l10n cache also break magic words? :(
00:09 < brion> maybe
00:09 < werdna> well, http://liquidthreads.labs.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia:Rights_requests
00:09 < wikibugs> (mod) Interface messages: two quick fixes (one missing message, one missing parameter) - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20913  (JSchulz_4587)
00:09  * ^demon stabs him
00:09  * werdna grumbles
00:09 < ^demon> He's claiming you can use short tags.
00:09 < ^demon> All the time
00:09  * ^demon cries
00:10 < ^demon> I tried to explain short_tags, but he said I'm wrong.
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00:10 < Skizzerz> uh... isn't short_tags DISABLED by default in php.ini?
00:10 < ^demon> Yes.
00:10 < ^demon> That's what I said.
00:10 < ^demon> He said I'm wrong.
00:10 < Skizzerz> k, that's what I thought
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00:11 < Skizzerz> who is this person?
00:11 < ^demon> The TA for my course.
00:11 < Skizzerz> lol
00:11 < Skizzerz> point him to the php manual
00:11 < thedj> brion: you mean that because i use commons apibase, and that this not yet supports these imageredirects ?
00:12 < ^demon> If this doesn't improve soon I'm leaving. It's rather painful.
00:12 < brion> right, i don't think it knows to ask for redirects to be deref'd
00:13 < Skizzerz> weird
00:13 < Reedy> ^demon, is it registered?
00:13 < Skizzerz> in the manual, it says it's enabled by default
00:13 < ^demon> Image redirects in ForeignApiRepo are wonky. I spent like 2 days playing with them but gave up.
00:13 < ^demon> My offiicial reccomendation is to not use them.
00:14 < Skizzerz> http://www.php.net/manual/en/ini.core.php
00:14 < thedj> well with file moving enabled, that's too late :D
00:14 < Splarka> file moving isn't to blame, don't shoot the poor messenger
00:14 < thedj> no, but it makes the problem more clear
00:14 < CIA-12> tparscal * r57160 /trunk/extensions/UsabilityInitiative/ (6 files in 2 dirs): Improved icons used in link dialog. Added extra error icon which is not yet in use but may be an alternative to the invalid icon. Adjusted some padding for dialog tables.
00:14 < Splarka> heh
00:14 < wikibugs> (mod) Interface messages: two quick fixes (one missing message, one missing parameter) - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20913  +comment (FT2.wiki)
00:16 < Splarka> thedj: some have found a workaround: http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Splarka/sandbox&oldid=29267366
00:16 < Splarka> delete/suppress the redirect! woot
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00:18 < thedj> oh wait, the api still generates errors on redirects.
00:18 < thedj> the fix wasn't synced yet of course.
00:19 < RoanKattouw> ^demon: Keep php.net at the ready :)
00:19 < ^demon> RoanKattouw: I have it set as one of my search sites in Firefox :)
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00:20 < wikibugs> (mod) Interface messages: two quick fixes (one missing message, one missing parameter) - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20913  (FT2.wiki)
00:23 < brion> svn: Attempt to add tree conflict that already exists
00:23 < brion> oh fuck you svn
00:24 < RoanKattouw> I love the svn error message about "cannot merge a working copy's future history"
00:24 < CIA-12> siebrand * r57161 /trunk/extensions/Translate/groups/OpenStreetMap/ (Potlatch.yml README): Prepare Potlatch support
00:24  * tomaszf hands brion a shiv to stab svn with
00:24 < wikibugs> (mod) Interface messages: two quick fixes (one missing message, one missing parameter) - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20913  (JSchulz_4587)
00:24 < brion> tx
00:24 < ^demon> "PHP is not object oriented"
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00:25 < ^demon> I raised my hand. Violently. He's ignoring me.
00:25 < RoanKattouw> lol
00:26 < werdna> brion: <3 svn
00:26 < RoanKattouw> Perhaps he means PHP is not "truly" OO like Java is
00:26 < CIA-12> siebrand * r57162 /trunk/extensions/Translate/groups/OpenStreetMap/ (OpenStreetMap.yml Potlatch.yml): OSM related tweaks
00:26 < RoanKattouw> brion: How do you even get tree conflicts? I've never had them
00:27 < brion> it seems to be a new feature in 1.6
00:27 < brion> i'm still not entirely sure what they are :D
00:27 < Aaron|away> lol
00:27 < RoanKattouw> Nice "feature"
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00:30 < brion> ok resolved the tree conflicts, now continuing the merge... i hope
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00:31 < tomaszf> brion: if you win your war against trees i might get you this .. http://www.babywit.com/Merchant2/graphics/00000001/TREEWARMENlg.jpg
00:31 < brion> :DD
00:31 < ^demon> RoanKattouw: He finally let me speak. I went into the brief history OOP PHP, how it was kinda "tacked on" over time.
00:31 < CIA-12> siebrand * r57163 /trunk/extensions/Translate/groups/OpenStreetMap/OpenStreetMap.yml: Change OpenStreetMap label
00:32 < brion> man, now i need a baby so i can buy those awesome baby shirts
00:32 < brion> hey TrevorParscal are you using both of those?
00:32 < tomaszf> rofl
00:32 < NivFreak> is there a sane way to add another javascript to all skins? I was looking a maybe tweaking Skins.php
00:33 < ^demon> Blah I'm leaving early. Not dealing with this anymore.
00:33  * tomaszf continues back to bug list for dumpHTML
00:33 < brion> NivFreak: extensions can do that pretty easy
00:34 < NivFreak> yea
00:34 < NivFreak> I was looking at one that did it
00:34 < NivFreak> it looked a little outdated
00:34 < wikibugs> (mod) Gallery does not support image redirects - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20907  (hartman)
00:34 < NivFreak> I was just wondering if there was any supported method developed in the last 2 years ;)
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00:35 < brion> heh
00:35 < TrevorParscal> ha ha  shirt = funny
00:35 < brion> well there's the brand-new js2 stuff, not sure how stable any of that is :D
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00:38 < werdna> NivFreak: SkinTemplate or Skin, I don't remmber
00:38 < werdna> search for ajaxcategories, that does it
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00:39 < NivFreak> k
00:39 < CIA-12> werdna * r57164 /trunk/extensions/LiquidThreads/lqt.js: LiquidThreads: Scroll to top of updated thread when update is complete.
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00:40 < CIA-12> siebrand * r57165 /trunk/extensions/Translate/groups/OpenStreetMap/Potlatch.yml: Update ignored list
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00:42 < CIA-12> siebrand * r57166 /trunk/extensions/Translate/groups/OpenStreetMap/Potlatch.yml: Ignored to optional
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00:50 < brion> there! my merge finally started showing output again :D
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00:55 < CIA-12> tomasz * r57167 /trunk/extensions/DumpHTML/ (dumpHTML.inc dumpHTML.php): adding vector as a skin option
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01:00 < wikibugs> (mod) Watchlist RSS feed should use 301 redirect to change token on every view - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20840  (Simetrical+wikibugs)
01:02 < CIA-12> tparscal * r57168 /trunk/ (3 files in 3 dirs): 
01:02 < CIA-12> Decided to go with yet another approach for adding extra stylesheets for Vector (so that we can test new ideas out and keep our CSS in the SVN).
01:02 < CIA-12> 1. Removed ExperiementalSkins extension
01:02 < CIA-12> 2. Added $wgVectorExtraStyles to DefaultSettings.php
01:02 < CIA-12> 3. Added code in Vector.php that adds in any extra styles defined just after adding in the main style
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01:05 < CIA-12> werdna * r57169 /trunk/extensions/LiquidThreads/classes/View.php: Make sure we only use scratch titles for unspecified subjects if a subject is actually required (as opposed to, say, replying).
01:06 < CIA-12> tparscal * r57170 /trunk/phase3/skins/vector/experiments/ (. babaco-colors-a.css babaco-colors-b.css): Added 2 sample experimental CSS files. Adam can take it from here...
01:08 < CIA-12> werdna * r57171 /branches/wmf-deployment/extensions/LiquidThreads/ (. classes/View.php): Merge r57169, fix for LiquidThreads scratch titles.
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01:13 < TrevorParscal> you have interesting email
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01:14 < werdna> ?
01:14 < TrevorParscal> oops
01:14 < TrevorParscal> wrong channel
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01:14  * tomaszf stabs dumpHTML
01:14 < werdna> tomaszf: dumpHTML hates you too
01:15 < tomaszf> then this is going to be a very turbulent interaction 
01:15 < TodWulff> lol
01:16 < CIA-12> brion * r57173 /trunk/extensions/ProofreadPage/ (ProofreadPage.i18n.php SpecialProofreadPages.php): 
01:16 < CIA-12> Revert r57115, r57123 "search capability"
01:16 < CIA-12> Tied to MySQL search backend's raw database tables, would be useless on Wikimedia sites.
01:17 < wikibugs> (mod) Interface messages: two quick fixes (one missing message, one missing parameter) - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20913  (JSchulz_4587)
01:20 < GreenReaper> You people and your "Wikimedia sites"
01:20 < GreenReaper> ;-)
01:20 < GreenReaper> Some of us still use MySQL!
01:21 < brion> :)
01:21 < brion> suckers
01:21 < GreenReaper> Pfft.
01:21  * ^demon is still working on DatabaseStoneTablets
01:21  * GreenReaper implemented interwiki search for that.
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01:21 < GreenReaper> And when I say "implemented", it's a hack.
01:22 < GreenReaper> Works fine for us, though. :-)
01:25 < CIA-12> yaron * r57174 /trunk/extensions/ExternalData/ED_Utils.php: Added handling for $edgAllowSSL
01:26 < CIA-12> yaron * r57175 /trunk/extensions/ExternalData/ExternalData.php: Added $edgAllowSSL setting
01:26 < werdna> will be headed to snoozy-land soon
01:26 < werdna> ^demon: what about DatabaseQuantumState?
01:27 < werdna> The article text changes every time you read it
01:27 < ^demon> Mmmmm, sexy.
01:27 < CIA-12> yaron * r57176 /trunk/extensions/ExternalData/README: New version: 0.9.1
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01:51 < ThomasV> arf
01:51 < ThomasV> brion: is the SearchEngine class the right way to do it?
01:52 < brion> most likely yes :)
01:52 < ThomasV> :)
01:52 < ^demon> Curious, is the Mediawiki namespace indexed?
01:52 < brion> where the pages actually exist, sure
01:53 < ^demon> Hmm
01:53 < ^demon> Well that's not useful to me :)
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01:54 < brion> :)
01:54 < mpage> hey I had a question about the lucene search plugin for mediawiki? Is there a way to tweak the scoring of documents that are returned?
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01:55 < wknight8111> I have a namespace_id from the page table, how do I translate that into the actual namespace name?
01:55 < wknight8111> is there a table somewhere with the name that I can join on, or a PHP function that I can call?
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01:59 < OverlordQ> yea but I can't think of it off hand lol
02:00 < wknight8111> okay, I can't find anything in the documentation about this
02:03 < OverlordQ> http://svn.wikimedia.org/doc/classTitle.html#59f14e5bf76a0c6e56d034453a65f973 ?
02:04 < OverlordQ> oh wait nope
02:05 < ^demon> It's in Language.
02:05 < ^demon> If you have an NS id you can get the localized name.
02:06 < ^demon> I think the method for getting the canonical name is in MWNamespace.
02:06 < Splarka> MWNamespace::getCanonicalName() ?
02:06 < mpage> anyone have ideas on how to tweak scoring of search results for MWLucene?
02:06 < ^demon> Splarka: Damn those Mediawiki developers and their accurately named methods :p
02:07 < Splarka> damn them to hell
02:07 < Splarka> getNamespaceAliases() might also be useful, wherever it is
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02:09 < brion> mpage: scoring's handled on the java side i think; not sure exactly how to tweak offhand :)
02:09 < mpage> ok thanks
02:09 < mpage> I was hoping to avoid subclassing stuff in lucene:)
02:10 < CIA-12> brion * r57177 /branches/wmf-deployment/ (5 files in 4 dirs): merge r56208, r56949 from trunk -- needed for UsabilityInitative babaco fixes
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02:18 < NivFreak> so from an integrity standpoint, is it safe to delete any user whose user_editcount is NULL?
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02:20 < Splarka> !deleteuser | NivFreak
02:20 < mwbot> NivFreak: Deleting users is very messy and not recommended, because this breaks referential integrity in the database (they appear in many different tables like users, edit histories, recentchanges, preferences, etc). A safe solution is to block the users, and possibly rename them with <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Renameuser>.  You can also try <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:User_Merge_and_Delete>
02:20 < Splarka> (short answer: no)
02:20 < NivFreak> how can they be referenced in edit history if their editcount is zero?
02:21 < Splarka> deleted edits, oversighted/suppressed edits, log entries
02:21 < NivFreak> ok
02:21 < ^demon> If they've never done anything (ie: signup and leave) it's probably safe to remove them.
02:21 < NivFreak> I'm basically moving an in internal wiki to ldap accounts
02:21 < Splarka> that was also a generic message, not aimed specifically at your user case
02:22 < Splarka> ^demon: new user log, preferences? ^_^
02:22 < NivFreak> and have tons of users who have made random account names and never posted
02:22 < Splarka> NivFreak: en.wp has 10 million users, probably less than a few percent ever active
02:22 < Splarka> it's a "feature" (what you call a deficiency you can't get rid of)
02:23 < NivFreak> bugzilla had/has a similar problem
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02:24 < NivFreak> but they did eventually provide a method to remove users that have no historical data associated with them
02:24 < ^demon> Splarka: Speaking of the merge/delete extension, was it updated to deal with the new pref table?
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02:25 < CIA-12> adam * r57178 /trunk/phase3/skins/vector/experiments/babaco-colors-a.css: Updates to babaco-colors-a.css
02:25 < Splarka> ^demon: sounds like something up your alley
02:26  * Splarka glances at the svn logs
02:26 < Splarka> looks like not
02:26 < NivFreak> so I should dodge that extension anyway?
02:26 < Splarka> http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/extensions/UserMerge/UserMerge_body.php?view=log
02:26 < Splarka> NivFreak: what version are you on?
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02:26 < NivFreak> 1.15.1
02:27 < NivFreak> doing an update from 1.4.5, ldap auth, accesscontrol 
02:27 < NivFreak> mostly all going really well
02:27 < Splarka> hmm, prefs branch was 49790
02:27 < Splarka> er, prefs branch merge
02:27 < Splarka> looks like it did make it into 1.15.1
02:28 < Splarka> you probably should be wary of that extension then, heh
02:28 < NivFreak> alright, from dropping this in place, I don't think it's going to take care of what I'm looking for anyway, but perhaps I can extract it's logic to figure out if a user is safe to purge
02:28 < CIA-12> adam * r57179 /trunk/extensions/UsabilityInitiative/images/wikiEditor/toolbar/ (4 files): Updating three toolbar icons and adding the indent icon
02:29 < Splarka> so what happens is you find everything you can think of, and purge them from it, Stalin-like
02:29 < Splarka> but years down the road something'll break because of something you didn't think of
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02:29 < NivFreak> then I reconstruct the reference to anonymous and say oh well ;)
02:30 < Splarka> mediawiki is just not built for permanent deletion of anything really (except manually/maintenancely)
02:30 < NivFreak> I am doing this manually :)
02:30 < NivFreak> I need to rename some subset of accounts to match active directory usernames
02:31 < NivFreak> and if I can eliminate some large set of those because they have not contributed, it's a major time saver for me
02:32 < NivFreak> anyone who has ever contributed, I want to rename
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02:32 < NivFreak> my scale is something like 1000 users, not as bad as mediawiki for sure, but still significant for myself
02:34 < Splarka> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Logging_table
02:34 < NivFreak> so I can verify against that, thanks :)
02:34 < Splarka> be sure to remove their creation log entry
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02:34 < Splarka> or at least change the references to something that might not try to refer to something that doesn't exist
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02:39 < ^demon|dinner> Back in a while.
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02:49 < NivFreak> Splarka: the interesting thing is, I've already found one user that has a non-null user_editcount but no entries in the logging table
02:49 < NivFreak> so I guess edits don't get entries there?
02:49 < NivFreak> which looks consistent with some other spot checking
02:49 < Splarka> no, just log entries, but since eh... 1.12 maybe, user creation is all logged
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02:50 < Splarka> though I suppose someone else could have created the account, that would get logged to another user
02:50 < NivFreak> yea, I see the create entry for the account I created after the fact
02:50 < NivFreak> luckily, I'm going to do this cleanup on 1.4.5
02:50 < Splarka> but they should still have preferences
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03:29 < wikibugs> (mod) Interface messages: two quick fixes (one missing message, one missing parameter) - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20913  (FT2.wiki)
03:31 < CIA-12> simetrical * r57182 /trunk/phase3/includes/Html.php: 
03:31 < CIA-12> Escape '<' in attribute values for well-formed XML
03:31 < CIA-12> This fixes r56407, which fixed bug 20655. Now $wgWellFormedXml is used,
03:31 < CIA-12> not $wgHtml5. The previous code was outputting malformed XML if
03:31 < CIA-12> $wgHtml5 and $wgWellFormedXml were both true.
03:31 < CIA-12> I wish we had unit tests for this. :(
03:32 < wikibugs> (mod) unescaped HTML in delete-page interface - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20655  +comment (Simetrical+wikibugs)
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03:55 < hintswen__> and once again there's 3 of me
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04:06 < ^demon> werdna: Nevermind, actually.
04:07 < wikibugs> (NEW) Negative numbers give error in form field of Type:Number - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20914 minor; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: SemanticForms; (cwebb)
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04:13 < CIA-12> aaron * r57184 /branches/wmf-deployment/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedRevs.class.php: merged r57183
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04:16 < exercicios> Can a table with variable number of rows and columns bu defined in a template?
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04:32 < wikibugs> (NEW) Enable YouTube in all wikimedia sites - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20915 enhancement; Normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (tsepelcory)
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04:36 < wikibugs> (WONTFIX) Enable YouTube in all wikimedia sites - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20915  +comment (tstarling)
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04:38 < CIA-12> yaron * r57185 /trunk/extensions/SemanticDrilldown/specials/SD_BrowseData.php: Added fix for SMW 1.5, already in SVN
04:42 < Emufarmers> All the computer science TAs I've ever had have been pretty meh.
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04:45 < Emufarmers> One was an Indian woman, one was an Eastern European (or maybe Scandanavian) guy, and my current one is an Indian (or at least from that general area) woman.  Durn foreigners stealing all our jobs!
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04:48 < Emufarmers> Actually, the main problem I've seen in regard to computer science TAs (other than their being boring and unable to explain things) has been the way they grade assignments; that tends to be kind of hit-or-miss.
04:48 < Emufarmers> Grading a program somehow ends up being more subjective than grading a history paper, heh
04:49 < Emufarmers> tomaszf: there's http://www.mwusers.com/ though it's kinda meh; a lot of the same questions and people being stupid in various ways.
04:50 < tomaszf> wow that's a busy interface
04:51 < Emufarmers> No shit :v
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04:58 < CIA-12> aaron * r57186 /trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedRevs.class.php: Follow-up r57183: also fixed issue with missing levels in tracking data (i.e. a page with a totally unreviewed draft and a quality revision before that would not count as "pending sight"
05:01 < CIA-12> aaron * r57187 /branches/wmf-deployment/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedRevs.class.php: merged r57186
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05:05 < exercicios> what do I do if the web host imposes php safe mode? find a different host?
05:06 < Emufarmers> Find a tall building?
05:09 < CIA-12> aaron * r57188 /trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedRevs.class.php: Add missing $id check
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05:10 < CIA-12> aaron * r57189 /branches/wmf-deployment/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedRevs.class.php: merged r57188
05:11 < MacMed> if i were to want to code a function that runs off a hook, do i just write the function and then the hook will be added to LocalSettings.php by the site admin
05:11 < MacMed> cause i can't find LocalSettings.php in my phase3 folder
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05:17 < wikibugs> (mod) Interface messages: two quick fixes (one missing message, one missing parameter) - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20913  (JSchulz_4587)
05:17 < wikibugs> (mod) SMWResultArray changes in SMW 1.5 - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20904  (yaron57)
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05:19 < hintswen__> Emufarmers I put the code for my extension up xD http://code.google.com/p/wiki2twitter/
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05:20 < wikibugs> (ASSIGNED) Hideuser: Error when trying to block hidden user without hideuser right - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20524  (mac.med02)
05:21 < wikibugs> (mod) Hideuser: Error when trying to block hidden user without hideuser right - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20524  (mac.med02)
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05:35 < exercicios> found an host with php safe mode off, saw that safe mode was depreceaded in lastest version
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05:59 < DuTempete> Is there an extension or gadget that changes how a page name is displayed in a category to only the specified sortkey?
06:00 < wikibugs> (CLOSED) Search & replace : Browser crashes when all occurances are replaced - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20841  +comment (wikibugs)
06:01 < Splarka> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:CustomCategory  maybe this one, tho the phrasing is bad.. not sure if it does that
06:05 < DuTempete> Splarka: reading it
06:06 < DuTempete> you're right, the wording is poor... gonna skim the code
06:08 < DuTempete> and it hasn't been tested or reported on since 1.14
06:08 < Splarka> yah, evil
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06:13 < wikibugs> (REOPENED) Navigable TOC: Cursor is not navigating to the correct line when link is clicked - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20871  +comment (wikibugs)
06:14 < DuTempete> Yup, Splarka, that's what it seems it does.  It looks like it needs some tweaking, though.
06:15 < DuTempete> Thanks for your help.  I had just spent half an hour searching mediawiki and never found that :P
06:15 < Splarka> how could you miss it!
06:15 < DuTempete> no idea, I feel stupid, now!
06:15 < Splarka> googled: site:mediawiki.org sortkey intitle:extension
06:15 < DuTempete> yeah, yeah :P
06:16  * DuTempete hands Splarka a cookie.
06:16  * Splarka noms
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06:17  * charitwo hands Splarka a goose
06:18  * DuTempete slaps charitwo with a limp trout.
06:18 < charitwo> :o
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06:18 < wikibugs> (CLOSED) Search & replace : Cursor does not moved to next word - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20843  +comment (wikibugs)
06:19 < DuTempete> I'm sure you've done something recently to deserve it.
06:19 < charitwo> DuTempete: not me
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06:28 < DuTempete> Ciao, and thanks again.
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07:23 < CIA-12> yaron * r57191 /trunk/extensions/SemanticResultFormats/Outline/SRF_Outline.php: Fixed check for SMW 1.5
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07:35 < chuck> GerardM-: ping
07:35 < GerardM-> Hoi chucj
07:35 < GerardM-> k
07:35 < chuck> GerardM-: hey, are you on wave.google.com? i don't have any contacts on there yet ;-)
07:36 < GerardM-> I am
07:36 < chuck> by the way, major congrats for getting onto google's promising prototypes page, it's looking great
07:36 < chuck> what's your google wave email on there?
07:36 < GerardM-> there are plenty wikipedians on there .. :)
07:36 < GerardM-> and I do not have invites to give yet
07:37 < chuck> really? i had 8 invites when I created my account at wave.google.com
07:37 < GerardM-> I did not have it when I went to sleep
07:37 < GerardM-> am just awake
07:37 < chuck> oh!
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07:39 < GerardM-> Now that I logon .. it looks like a shiney
07:39 < chuck> yikes
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07:42 < GerardM-> no it is just taking a long time to process
07:44 < chuck> does kim have an account on wave.google.com yet? it's pointless to be on there unless I have contacts to collaborate with, haha
07:45 < wikibugs> (NEW) Insert Table: Not lengthy enough to display entered values for 'Columns' and 'Rows'. - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20916 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: UsabilityInitiative; (wikibugs)
07:46 < hintswen__> lol i've been trying to get an invite for ages
07:46 < hintswen__> still no luck
07:47 < wikibugs> (CLOSED) Insert Table : Browser is not responding when huge table is inserted - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20845  +comment (wikibugs)
07:48 < chuck> hintswen__: i just happened to get an invite for the developers sandbox, it was just luck
07:51 < hintswen__> lucky
07:51 < hintswen__> remember requesting one ages ago when it said to write something creative, I drew some ASCII Art for them
07:51 < wikibugs> (mod) Suggestion: Rename "Bad image list" to better title - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14281  lowest->normal (brianriab)
07:52 < wikibugs> (CLOSED) Insert Table: Cursor does not move to end of table after inset in Opera - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20901  +comment (wikibugs)
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07:59 < wikibugs> (CLOSED) Search & Replace: 'occurences' shall be change as 'occurrences' - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20862  +comment (wikibugs)
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08:01 < chuck> GerardM-: yes? no?
08:04 < wikibugs> (CLOSED) Babaco - New Windows not getting focus by the system. - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20864  (wikibugs)
08:09 < wikibugs> (REOPENED) Insert Table: Not validating when user enter letters as inputs. - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20869  +comment (wikibugs)
08:12 < wikibugs> (CLOSED) Gives a system error while user trying to edit a page. - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20873  +comment (wikibugs)
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08:20 < wikibugs> (CLOSED) Navigable TOC : Navigable TOC not changed after replace a link. - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20875  +comment (wikibugs)
08:24 < wikibugs> (NEW) Search & Replace : Invalid message when Search for is not set - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20917 major; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: UsabilityInitiative; (wikibugs)
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08:33 < Splarka> so is someone gonna tell this "Calcey QA" guy that nobody uses the (CLOSED) statusolution?
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08:34 < Natalie> Someone should. He's making a mess.
08:38 < wikibugs> (REOPENED) Insert Link : Length of the text boxes shall be increased - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20896  +comment (wikibugs)
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08:42 < p858snake> so email him then and tell him
08:43 < Natalie> Never.
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08:51 < wikibugs> (CLOSED) User can insert links, insert tables with blank values - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20618  +comment (wikibugs)
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08:54 < Emufarmers> !sharedlogins is MediaWiki can be configured to share user login data between between multiple wikis. See <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Shared_database>.
08:54 < mwbot> Successfully added keyword: sharedlogins
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09:04 < Duesentrieb> Emufarmers: sure we don't have that already somewhere?
09:04 < Duesentrieb> @search shared
09:04 < mwbot> Results: [authentication, centralauth, session, sharedlogins]
09:04 < Emufarmers> Nope
09:04 < Emufarmers> (!session is something else)
09:05 < Duesentrieb> yea i know
09:05 < wikibugs> (NEW) NTOC : Sections with space at the end are not shown in TOC - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20918 normal; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: UsabilityInitiative; (wikibugs)
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09:05 < Emufarmers> I saw people pointed somebody to [[AuthPlugin]], which doesn't actually cover SUL.
09:05 < QuestPC> Hi! How do I get locally-formatted date and time from MediaWiki database 14-digits timestamp?
09:06 < Emufarmers> QuestPC: http://us.php.net/manual/en/function.date.php ?
09:06 < Emufarmers> oh, wait
09:06 < QuestPC> Via built-in PHP function?
09:06 < QuestPC> hm.
09:06 < Emufarmers> MediaWiki might use a nonstandard timestamping scheme
09:07 < QuestPC> Emufarmers: it uses a nice scheme where YYYYMMDDHHMMSS is a 14-digit number. very nice for calculation and comparsion and no 2k problem or unix 32-bit time in seconds since 1970 problem.
09:08 < QuestPC> Emufarmers: but I wonder where in GlobalFunctions.php is a function which returns a local date from it.
09:08 < QuestPC> Emufarmers: well, maybe you're right - what if built-in date() can decode it. let me read the php online docs..
09:09 < Emufarmers> Nah, I think it wants a unix timestamp
09:09 < QuestPC> Emufarmers: nope, it doesn't - read maintenance/tables.sql
09:10 < QuestPC> Emufarmers: ah, you've meant the date function, not DB.
09:11 < Emufarmers> wat?
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09:11 < Emufarmers> Try wfTimestamp() ^_^
09:12 < QuestPC> I use wfTimestamp() and it returns 14-digit timestamp for DB, not a locally formatted time. well, maybe some parameter is required. I'll see.
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09:14 < QuestPC> Emufarmers: I've found it! $wgLang->timeAndDate( $timestamp, true )
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09:16 < Emufarmers> wfTimestamp() looks like it can return it in whatever format you want, but as you wish.
09:18 < QuestPC> Emufarmers: ImagePage.php outputs dates in such way. wfTimestamp() looks like assumes some fixed ISO/DB standards, eg. you probably can't flexibly interchange place of M D Y which varies in different languages
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09:43 < wikibugs> (NEW) Search & Replace: Change "Replace Next" functionality to "Replace" functionality - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20919 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: UsabilityInitiative; (wikibugs)
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09:44 < TimStarling> for the record, the answer was $wgLang->timeanddate()
09:45 < TimStarling> assuming you want the date formatted the way the user likes it
09:45 < wikibugs> (NEW) Insert Links : Page sections shall be validated or provide as suggestion - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20920 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: UsabilityInitiative; (wikibugs)
09:45 < TimStarling> if you want it formatted in some particular way, like date(), the answer is $wgContLang->sprintfDate()
09:46 < werdna> TimStarling: I've been having some trouble with LocalisationCache or LocalisationUpdate on the live site
09:46 < werdna> I think that localisation caches are not being rebuilt when I installed LiquidThreads on liquidthreads.labs.wikimedia.org
09:46 < TimStarling> are you on private-l?
09:47 < werdna> I tried forcing it manually, but ended up bringing down the site by OOMing the memcached nodes and decided not to try again :)
09:47 < werdna> yes
09:47 < TimStarling> so you followed the procedure for adding extensions that I gave there?
09:47 < werdna> no, I don't think I remember seeing that.
09:47 < werdna> Let me find it
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09:48 < Nikerabbit> hmph
09:48 < werdna> do you remember the subject?
09:50 < werdna> found it
09:51 < werdna> TimStarling:                                                                          [ Error writing extension-list: Permission denied ]
09:51 < werdna> I think the group hasn't been set
09:52 < faceface> hi
09:52 < faceface> which of these is the config file? http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/
09:52 < werdna> none
09:53 < faceface> where can I see example configuration?
09:53 < werdna> you want http://noc.wikimedia.org/conf/flaggedrevs.php
09:53 < TimStarling> you can edit it now
09:53 < faceface> ty
09:53 < faceface> The requested URL /conf/flaggedrevs.php was not found on this server.
09:53 < werdna> actually, http://noc.wikimedia.org/conf/highlight.php?file=flaggedrevs.php
09:53 < faceface> tytyt
09:53 < TimStarling> but note that the directory was group-writable so you could have use :w! in vim
09:53 < werdna> TimStarling: done, thanks
09:54 < werdna> !log Scapping to fix LiquidThreads missing messages. Solution was in a post to private-l by Tim, subject "[Private-l] Increased bandwidth usage on internal network since yesterday's scap
09:54 < mwbot> Wrong channel!
09:54 < TimStarling> because when the directory is writable, you can delete the file and recreate it
09:55 < werdna> ah
09:55 < werdna> let's see how this works....
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09:58 < faceface> werdna: are you up to speed with flaggedrevs?
09:58 < faceface> because I have a couple of questions...
09:58 < faceface> is a 'tag' called a 'marker' on the help page?
09:58 < faceface> or is it a 'flag'?
09:58 < faceface> just trying to relate text on the man page to the help page.
09:59 < faceface> "suppose one wants to have "accuracy", "depth", and "tone" tags, with 3 levels each" ... Actually that makes a 'tag' look like what is called a 'scale' on the help page.
10:00 < faceface> This part has me flummoxed: The admin also want revisions with at least "accuracy" and "depth" of the 2nd levels to count as "quality".
10:02 < werdna> I know nothing of flaggedrevs
10:02 < faceface> I think if I can understand that sentence, I've got it sorted, but I don't understand how 'quality' and 'pristine' relate to the aliases 'stable' and 'non-stable'
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10:02 < faceface> thanks anyway, your pointer to the php file has me on the right track at least
10:05 < faceface> what is "recent changes patrol"?
10:06 < wikibugs> (mod) NTOC : Sections with space at the end are not shown in TOC - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20918  (wikibugs)
10:06 < faceface> wgFlaggedRevsPatrolNamespaces - Sets what namespaces allow for recent changes patrol.
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10:10 < wikibugs> (mod) Search & Replace : Invalid message when Search for is not set - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20917   +babaco; +comment (wikibugs)
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10:14 < wikibugs> (FIXED) Insert Link : Length of the text boxes shall be increased - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20896  +comment (wikibugs)
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11:04 < CIA-12> werdna * r57193 /trunk/extensions/LiquidThreads/classes/NewMessagesController.php: LiquidThreads: do not notify for talk page changes by the user themselves :)
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11:16 < Duesentrieb> i'm trying to find the code that checks on upload if there's already a file with the same sha1. 
11:16 < Duesentrieb> can't find it in Special:Upload
11:18 < CIA-12> werdna * r57195 /trunk/extensions/LiquidThreads/classes/Thread.php: Fix possible fatal
11:18 < Duesentrieb> FileRepo::findBySha1
11:20 < CIA-12> werdna * r57196 /branches/wmf-deployment/extensions/LiquidThreads/ (. classes/Thread.php): Merge r57195
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11:22 < michelem> hello folks
11:22 < michelem> I'm setting up for Short_URLs
11:23 < michelem> there is a point I don't quite get, in http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL#Setup_steps
11:23 < michelem> "Note: The install path must not be same as virtual directory and must not be the web root directory itself" -- does this mean that the mediawiki files cannot be directly under the "DocumentRoot" ?
11:24 < CIA-12> werdna * r57197 /branches/wmf-deployment/extensions/LiquidThreads/classes/Thread.php: Comment out clearing of new messages state, seems to be causing lock wait timeouts in testing
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11:26 < CIA-12> werdna * r57198 /trunk/extensions/LiquidThreads/classes/Thread.php: Fix syntax error
11:28 < CIA-12> werdna * r57199 /branches/wmf-deployment/extensions/LiquidThreads/ (. classes/Thread.php): Fix syntax error
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11:39 < wikibugs> (NEW) Numbered list with shared placings? - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20921 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: Page rendering; (paja)
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11:41 < wikibugs> (mod) Watchlist RSS feed should use 301 redirect to change token on every view - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20840  (paxcoder)
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12:20 < CIA-12> werdna * r57200 /trunk/extensions/LiquidThreads/classes/ (Thread.php View.php): Fix issue where the parser gets antsy about lack of ParserOptions when trying to get a user signature after not having parsed anything previously.
12:21 < CIA-12> werdna * r57201 /branches/wmf-deployment/extensions/LiquidThreads/ (. classes/Thread.php classes/View.php): Merge r57200
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12:28 < CIA-12> werdna * r57202 /trunk/extensions/LiquidThreads/ (classes/Hooks.php pages/TalkpageView.php): Do not display wikitext in section headers or in recentchanges (just html-escape instead of parsing)
12:30 < CIA-12> werdna * r57203 /branches/wmf-deployment/extensions/LiquidThreads/ (. classes/Hooks.php pages/TalkpageView.php): Merge 57202, wikitext allowed where it should not have been.
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12:40 < wikibugs> (NEW) deployment of edit toolbar causes absolutely infuriating cursor jump - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20922 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: User interface; (lkcl)
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12:48 < CIA-12> werdna * r57205 /trunk/extensions/LiquidThreads/classes/Thread.php: Comment out user_message_state delete in trunk too, until we figure out what is deadlocking.
12:48  * RoanKattouw sighs at angry bug reports like bug 20922
12:49 < wikibugs> (mod) deployment of edit toolbar causes absolutely infuriating cursor jump - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20922  (roan.kattouw)
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12:50 < str4nd> http://translatewiki.net/wiki/Special:Log?limit=1&uselang=en shows (newer 50 &bull; older 50) when pipe-separator is "&#32;&bull;&#32;
12:51 < str4nd> newer 1 and so on ;-)
12:51 < Splarka> not all messages accept entities
12:51 < Splarka> (and fun is when they are used inconsistently)
12:51 < str4nd> but that uses wfMsgExt and escapenoentities
12:53 < werdna> hey RoanKattouw 
12:54 < RoanKattouw> Hey werd
12:54 < RoanKattouw> Tab fail
12:56 < p858snake> RoanKattouw: wait till you experience bug reporters that get pissed when their site requests bugs aren't FIXED within a week
12:57 < CIA-12> werdna * r57206 /trunk/extensions/LiquidThreads/classes/Thread.php: Remove obsolete crap in Thread::moveToPage that relies on old DB fields (thread_revision)
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13:01  * werdna kicks CIA-12 
13:01 < CIA-12> ow
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13:13 < wikibugs> (mod) deployment of edit toolbar causes absolutely infuriating cursor jump - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20922  (lkcl)
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13:17  * ^demon stabs github a few times
13:17 < RoanKattouw> Ah, the mixed blessing of QA. Every day I wake up to half a dozen fresh bug reports
13:18 < ^demon> (NEW) Extra ticket for Roan
13:19 < RoanKattouw> The funny thing is that all these bugs get autoassigned to Trevor and I'm the one that ends up dealing with most of them
13:19 < RoanKattouw> I don't complain, but it's kinda weird
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13:24 < ^demon> I seriously can't figure out what I'm doing wrong here.
13:25 < CIA-12> raymond * r57208 /trunk/phase3/includes/Pager.php: 
13:25 < CIA-12> Fix double escaping to avoid showing literal &bull; when [[MediaWiki:Pipe-separator]] is set to this character
13:25 < CIA-12> All message parameters are previously escaped.
13:26 < Raymond_> str4nd: fixed the  &bull; 
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13:26 < str4nd> thanks
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13:38 < CIA-12> rotem * r57209 /trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (MessagesEn.php MessagesHe.php): Localization update for he, and fix in en (supression log, not deletion log + whitespace fix).
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13:42 < CIA-12> catrope * r57210 /trunk/extensions/UsabilityInitiative/ (7 files in 4 dirs): EditToolbar: (bug 20922) Don't move the cursor around unnecessarily. Instead, don't highlight the last section in the NTOC initially.
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13:45 < andrewz> hi! i am logged in as an admin and am at index.php?title=MediaWiki:Sidebar.  However i see no edit link! help
13:46 < p858snake_> is there a "create" tab?
13:47 < andrewz> p858snake_: ah ya, thanks!
13:52 < p858snake_> my plesure *tips hat*
13:53 < wikibugs> (mod) Interface messages: two quick fixes (one missing message, one missing parameter) - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20913  (FT2.wiki)
13:54 < wikibugs> (FIXED) deployment of edit toolbar causes absolutely infuriating cursor jump - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20922  +comment (roan.kattouw)
13:57 < wikibugs> (mod) Navigable TOC: Cursor is not navigating to the correct line when link is clicked - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20871  (roan.kattouw)
13:59 < wikibugs> (mod) deployment of edit toolbar causes absolutely infuriating cursor jump - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20922  +comment (conrad.irwin)
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14:10 < wikibugs> (mod) deployment of edit toolbar causes absolutely infuriating cursor jump - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20922  (roan.kattouw)
14:10 < freakolowsky> whazzzzuuup!
14:12 < freakolowsky> have a gallon of anastetic in my jaw ... anyone got any targets to beat up ... just be quick before it wears off
14:12 < Splarka> hey freaky, one other person on the planet is interested in MediaWiki with Oracle
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14:12 < Splarka> just so ya know
14:12 < cirwin> RoanKattouw: yes, it jumps to the bottom on that paeg too - though not for much longer as the page takes so long to initialise
14:13 < freakolowsky> :D ... who ... PS: a lot of our clients are interested in MW on Ora
14:13 < RoanKattouw> cirwin: I'm pretty sure that's Firefox's fault and not ours
14:13 < Splarka> clients aren't people
14:13 < Splarka> http://toolserver.org/~amidaniel/chanlogs/%23mediawiki/20090930.txt  starting at: [19:22:03]
14:13 < freakolowsky> Splarka: true
14:13 < RoanKattouw> freakolowsky: There was someone in here yesterday asking about that
14:13 < RoanKattouw> Yeah
14:13 < cirwin> RoanKattouw: quite possibly
14:13 < ^demon> Splarka: So we now have 2 people caring about Oracle. Did we ever get a second person caring about MSSQL?
14:13 < RoanKattouw> This wad guy
14:14 < Splarka> oh yah, roan was the guy talkin to him
14:14 < Splarka> heh
14:14 < RoanKattouw> Aye
14:14 < Splarka> ^demon: I'm in favor of .txt file storage
14:14 < RoanKattouw> He was interested in freakolowsky 's work, I told him you'd be around in European office hours
14:14 < RoanKattouw> That doesn't help him much if he's in CA of course
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14:15 < ^demon> Splarka: I'm pushing for stone tablets.
14:15 < kevindanko> How do i set UTF-8 in localsettings.php?
14:15 < freakolowsky> HEY ... Oracle support is not THAT fragile ... maintenance could use some of my time, but otherwise it plays nicely
14:16 < Splarka> ^demon: too hard to delete/oversight
14:16 < ^demon> Dynamite?
14:16 < freakolowsky> PS: been on a local Linux Conference the other day .... listened to EnterpriseDB presentation (Postgress thigie) ... that thing is THA BOMB ... 
14:16 < Splarka> reconstructable, has to be reduced to sand
14:17 < cirwin> RoanKattouw: for what it's worth, the problem is not repeatable on the wikipedia san francisco article, even if I start editing before the edit page finishes laoading
14:17 < Splarka> I hear the Scientologists are etching Hubbard's work into stainless steel tiles
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14:17 < RoanKattouw> cirwin: You mean you can't reproduce it on enwiki but can on prototype?
14:17 < cirwin> yes
14:17 < ^demon> Splarka: I saw that too
14:18 < RoanKattouw> freakolowsky: I had no idea about stability other than seeing the occasional bug report about Oracle DB errors
14:18 < Splarka> must one-up them, iridium/rhenium/tungsten alloy, should survive a nuclear blast
14:19 < RoanKattouw> cirwin: Do you have the enhanced toolbar enabled on enwiki?
14:19 < cirwin> no
14:19 < RoanKattouw> Hm
14:19 < RoanKattouw> Seems we are causing it /somehow/ then
14:19 < cirwin> maybe an explicit focus?
14:20 < freakolowsky> LOLCOPTER @ quote "<Splarka> wow demon, you're looking so <big> and <strong> lately, wha'<sup>?"
14:20 < cirwin> I had a grep through the source, but I didn't spot one instantly - then again, I don't even know which bits of the source are used
14:20 < ^demon> freakolowsky: I added that to the quips :p
14:20 < RoanKattouw> cirwin: Do you mean an explicit focus is the cause or the cure? Also, we're wrapping the textarea in some <div>s dynamically, that could be causing it
14:20 < Splarka> freakolowsky: don't let it go to his <head>
14:21 < freakolowsky> ownz
14:21 < cirwin> RoanKattouw: I'd have thought it could be a cause
14:21 < RoanKattouw> Hm
14:21 < RoanKattouw> Lemme check if there's a focus
14:21  * Splarka wonders if html5 allows <html><body></body><head></head></html>
14:22 < cirwin> contortionist
14:22 < ^demon> Or just hanging upside down
14:22 < cirwin> AUtOfEllAtIO
14:22 < RoanKattouw> cirwin: A quick test seems to disprove an explicit focus
14:23 < freakolowsky> Splarka : it does
14:23 < freakolowsky> Splarka HTML does not have a NullPointerException :D :D
14:24 < ^demon> We get a lot of junk submissions to the quip list.
14:25 < cirwin> RoanKattouw: agreed
14:26 < RoanKattouw> cirwin: Basically I did $j('textarea').focus(function() { alert('OOPS'); }); and nothing happened
14:26 < cirwin> I set a document timeout to focus the box
14:26 < cirwin> and the cursor didn't jump
14:26 < cirwin> :)
14:26 < freakolowsky> added my mails to mediawiki user page ... so if anyone asks about Oracle stuff, just direct them to my user-page on MW :D
14:27 < RoanKattouw> User:Freakolowsky ?
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14:27 < freakolowsky> indeed ...
14:27 < cirwin> on the other hand, removing the text box from the dom, and re-inserting it in a div, seems to remove focus while I'm typing
14:27  * freakolowsky hades MW Initcap titles
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14:27 < freakolowsky> hates even ...
14:27 < RoanKattouw> Even $wgCaptitalLinks = false; doesn't work for user names
14:28  * ^demon sighs
14:28 < Splarka> but {{DISPLAYTITLE}} does
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14:28  * ^demon is going to apply that patch one day
14:28  * Splarka waggles eyebrows suggestively
14:28  * freakolowsky lifts an eyebrow towards ^demon 
14:28 < cirwin> RoanKattouw: but a combination of both causes the cursor to jump to the end
14:28 < ^demon> RoanKattouw: You know what I'm talking about :)
14:29 < marineam1> hi everybody - Is there a way to set a customized mainpage with a special structure, different of standard pages?
14:29 < cirwin> i.e. after the node is removed from the dom, it is re-inserted and focused. The removal frmo the dom causes the removal of event handlers (unless it is done using w/e jquery method) which explains why the alert might not fire itr
14:29 < RoanKattouw> ^demon: Interwiki redirects, right?
14:29 < ^demon> No, Capital links per-namespace.
14:30 < cirwin> could you point me at the code that does the initialisation?
14:30 < RoanKattouw> cirwin: Good point. I'll try live events
14:30 < cirwin> I'm assuming it's in the UsabilityInitiative somewheer
14:30 < CIA-12> catrope * r57211 /trunk/extensions/UsabilityInitiative/ (4 files in 3 dirs): NavigableTOC: (bug 20918) Section headers with trailing spaces aren't shown in the NTOC. Also simplified the header regex by stealing it from Parser.php
14:30 < RoanKattouw> cirwin: It's in UsabilityInitiative/js/plugins/jquery.wikiEditor.js , couple of wrap() calls
14:30 < RoanKattouw> I'll try to do $j('textarea').live( 'focus', function() { alert( 'OOPS' ); } ); instead
14:31 < RoanKattouw> Yup, that alerted twice :O
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14:31 < cirwin> what is the need for the wrapping in a div?
14:31 < cirwin> it seems like that is the root cause?
14:32 < RoanKattouw> Styling, mostly
14:32 < RoanKattouw> Lemme look at the backtraces for those two alerts
14:33 < RoanKattouw> Oh one of them is in fixOperaBrokenness(), called on a hidden textarea, no worries there
14:33 < RoanKattouw> I should use $j('#wpTextbox1') instead of $j('textarea')
14:34 < RoanKattouw> No focus for me now on trunk
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14:37 < cirwin> visiting prototype's san francisco article pretty much kills firefox 3.5
14:37  * freakolowsky hates not having SyFy channel :S
14:37 < cirwin> (edit page even)
14:37 < RoanKattouw> Kills how? Works fine for me
14:38 < cirwin> slows it to a crawl
14:38 < RoanKattouw> It does take long though, true
14:38 < RoanKattouw> 1965 ms for me, says the profiler
14:38 < cirwin> the focus now just gets lost from the box completely
14:39 < CIA-12> werdna * r57212 /branches/wmf-deployment/includes/db/Database.php: Add logging groups to query logs, so I can log queries on liquidthreads_labswikimedia
14:39 < cirwin> the page takes well over a minute to load for me
14:40 < RoanKattouw> cirwin: Yeah that's because we don't bundle the JS, so the download takes a long time
14:40 < cirwin> indeed
14:40 < RoanKattouw> Once your browser has the JS cached it's faster
14:40 < RoanKattouw> We do bundle it on production
14:40 < RoanKattouw> Looks like autoEllipse takes 584 ms ^^
14:40 < cirwin> what does autoEllipse do?
14:41 < RoanKattouw> In the TOC to the side, you see "Entertainment a..."
14:41 < cirwin> hrm, this time it jumped to the bottom again
14:41 < cirwin> heh, ok
14:41 < RoanKattouw> Originally that was "Entertainment and performing arts" , we cut it off and append ... to the end
14:42 < cirwin> presumably it's doing that by removing letters one by one until the clientWidth is small enough, or something horrible like that :p
14:42 < CIA-12> werdna * r57213 /branches/wmf-deployment/includes/db/Database.php: wfDebug --> wfDebugLog
14:43 < RoanKattouw> cirwin: Yes, it should use a binary search-like thing
14:43 < RoanKattouw> But the most time seems to be taken by .css() calls
14:44  * RoanKattouw wonders where those come from
14:44 < cirwin> presumably inside outerWidth and innerWidth
14:44 < cirwin> whereever they are
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14:46 < RoanKattouw> Huh I can't find innerWidth and outerWidth in the profiling data ^^
14:46 < cirwin> they are purported to be in the dimensions plugin
14:46 < RoanKattouw> Well whatever, I'm gonna try binary search and see what happens. The shortest call to autoEllipse() takes 1 ms and the longest one 153ms
14:46 < RoanKattouw> No, they're in jQuery core
14:47 < RoanKattouw> Ah yes, and they use .css() internally
14:47 < RoanKattouw> They're created dynamically, which is why they showed up as anonymous functions
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14:55 < marineam1> hi everybody - Is there a way to set a customized mainpage with a special structure, different of standard pages?
14:56 < marineam1> I thought about checking the name of the page - is = MainPage, then I redirect to php page... but I'm not sure it would be the better way 
14:56 < cirwin> not realy
14:56 < cirwin> how special do you want?
14:57 < CIA-12> werdna * r57214 /branches/wmf-deployment/includes/db/Database.php: Revert r57213, r57212. Testing done.
14:58 < marineam1> cirwin: special with boxes, columns, you know special structure all over the page, not just for the "content part"
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15:00 < trinni> hi -- is there a way to add a hidden label within an article?
15:00 < CIA-12> werdna * r57215 /trunk/extensions/LiquidThreads/classes/View.php: Guard for threads with no title()
15:01 < cirwin> marineam1: the easiest would probably be to create an explicit index page that isn't handled by mediawiki, and link to that insert
15:01 < cirwin> *instead
15:01 < cirwin> trinni: what kind of hidden label?
15:01 < cirwin> you can put things in <!-- comments --> and they won't come out in the rendered page
15:01 < CIA-12> werdna * r57216 /branches/wmf-deployment/extensions/LiquidThreads/ (. classes/View.php): Deploy r57215, fixes fatals
15:02 < trinni> cirwin: i would like to link from within an article to a table within that article
15:02 < trinni> cirwin: e.g. from "Table 1" to ...a table that I have put a sort of hidden label on
15:02 < RoanKattouw> trinni: Add an id="" attribute to the table
15:02 < RoanKattouw> Like {| id="foo"
15:02 < RoanKattouw> Then you can link to it with [[#foo]]
15:02 < marineam1> cirwin: sorry but what do you mean by "link to that insert"?
15:02 < trinni> RoanKattouw: great, i'll try that
15:02 < cirwin> marineam1: "use a link to that /instead/"
15:03 < marineam1> okay I see
15:04 < marineam1> or I can make a condition in the standard mystyle.php and if this is the mainpage I include another page, it not I let it go
15:05 < cirwin> that would work, i suppose
15:05 < marineam1> okay
15:05 < marineam1> thanks :)
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15:14 < exercicios> what different in hosts that offer vistapanel, xpanel, cpanel, custom panel or no panel?
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15:16 < p858snake_> differnt web control pannels offer differnt things
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15:25 < EivindJ> Anyone up to answering a little tricky challenge?
15:25 < EivindJ> I'm helping out making a MediaWiki they would like to use for translation of articles
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15:27 < EivindJ> On Wikipedia we link to different language versions of an article using iw's that link the different language wikis togheter
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15:27 < EivindJ> could one have the same functionality inside one MediaWiki, somehow?
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15:28 < RoanKattouw> It would probably be possible to hack that up
15:28 < EivindJ> But not any easy way to do it?
15:28 < RoanKattouw> Moderately easy
15:28 < EivindJ> ok?
15:28 < RoanKattouw> Say you've got the French version of [[Dog]] at [[Dog/fr]]
15:28 < p858snake_> its basically what the {{Language}} template does on the mediawiki wiki
15:29 < exercicios> I'm wildly registering at many hosts :P
15:29 < RoanKattouw> You point the fr: interwiki prefix to http://www.mywiki.com/wiki/$1/fr
15:29 < RoanKattouw> Then [[fr:Dog]] would point to [[Dog/fr]]
15:29 < RoanKattouw> Using the {{Language}} template is probably cleaner and easier
15:30 < RoanKattouw> In fact, I'm sure it's cleaner and easier
15:30 < EivindJ> I see ... not a bad idea at all!
15:30 < EivindJ> thanks 
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15:30 < EivindJ> the only negative thing is that they won't be able to translate the titel
15:30 < EivindJ> *title
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15:31 < RoanKattouw> True
15:32 < RoanKattouw> That's why we recommend multiple wikis
15:32 < RoanKattouw> For example, "Recreational vehicle" in Dutch is "Camper", but "Camper" is also an English word meaning something different
15:33 < EivindJ> correct
15:34 < ^demon> RoanKattouw: A camper could be a person who camps or an RV. Depends on the context :)
15:34 < RoanKattouw> Yeah so it would be either a Dutch or an English word, depending on the context
15:35 < RoanKattouw> Basically my point is that you can have title conflicts between languages, and you need to handle those
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15:37 < p858snake_> but if you use that template, you can still create the english title for the translation eg [[Camper/fr]]  and redirect it to the approiate title
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15:42 < wikibugs> (mod) Test implementation of FlaggedRevs for the English Wikipedia on en.labs.wikimedia.org - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18334  (cenarium.sysop)
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15:49 < freakolowsky> ok ppl i'm off to greece ... a week of sailing ... l8r
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15:50 < p858snake|sleep> i'm off a sleep
15:50 < p858snake|sleep> s/a/to/
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15:58 < EivindJ> p858snake and RoanKattouw: thanks a lot! Seems like the solution I need
15:58 < wikibugs> (NEW) Please activate the AbuseFilter extension for es.wikibooks. - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20923 normal; Normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (dferg-wiki)
15:59 < p858snake|sleep> no problem *tips tophat*
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16:22 < CIA-12> LiquidThreads deletion fixes:
16:22 < CIA-12> * When a top-level thread is deleted, ensure that all of its descendants are properly deleted (not just their root pages).
16:22 < CIA-12> * Do not load deleted threads in replies() and friends.
16:22 < CIA-12> * To aid debugging, show caller in save() fname.
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16:45 < CIA-12> ialex * r57223 /trunk/phase3/maintenance/reassignEdits.php: 
16:45 < CIA-12> * (bug 20908) reassignEdits.php was calling userSpecification() which was moved to the ReassignEdits class with the maintenance scripts rewrite
16:45 < CIA-12> * Also fix some E_STRICT errors
16:45 < wikibugs> (FIXED) reassignEdits.php fails when referencing userSpecification() - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20908  +comment (alex.emsenhuber)
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16:47 < avar> werdna: is "Release status: unnstable" accurate on [[Extension:LiquidThreads]] ?
16:47 < werdna> probably
16:47 < werdna> I would say beta
16:47 < werdna> I dunno
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16:48 < CIA-12> werdna * r57224 /branches/wmf-deployment/extensions/LiquidThreads/ (. classes/DeletionController.php): Merge r57222
16:48 < avar> werdna: I demand improved branding
16:48 < avar> Possibly involving ponies
16:48 < werdna> there is nothing wrong with ponies
16:48 < avar> Can you rename it to "WetPonies". I think it sounds better than LiquidThreads
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16:49 < kyron> ahoy! I need to migrate+upgrade a 1.10_alpha mediawiki to another server... can anyone point me to some sort of migration guide or is it just a question of dump+load DB + copy files + overwrite file with 1.15.x ?
16:49 < werdna> poooonies!!!1
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16:57 < OverlordQ> pink ponies?
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16:57 < werdna> avar: wet ponies sounds like a porno site to me
16:57 < werdna> tbh
16:59 < RoanKattouw> !upgrade | kyron 
16:59 < mwbot> kyron: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Upgrading
17:00 < RoanKattouw> kyron: Yeah what you said sounds right
17:00 < RoanKattouw> I recommend either upgrading first, then moving or moving first, then upgrading
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17:00 < RoanKattouw> Trying to do both at the same time might get complex
17:01 < wikibugs> (FIXED) Gallery does not support image redirects - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20907  +comment (alex.emsenhuber)
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17:02 < avar> werdna: I think this suggests something about the sort of pornography you enjoy
17:02 < werdna> :P
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17:05 < macflag> when / how often does mediawiki generate a new schema?
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17:06 < MaxSem> on every major release, e.g. 1.14 --> 1.15
17:06 < CIA-12> werdna * r57225 /trunk/extensions/LiquidThreads/classes/Thread.php: Fix double-incrementing of reply counts
17:06 < MaxSem> unless you're using SVN head, which tends to be unexpectedly changeable:)
17:06 < kyron> RoanKattouw_away: thanks
17:08 < CIA-12> werdna * r57226 /branches/wmf-deployment/extensions/LiquidThreads/ (. classes/Thread.php): Merge r57225
17:08 < macflag> MaxSem: do you think using external dumped-database version control (e.g. bzr) with mediawiki is a bad idea?
17:09 < MaxSem> eh, do you want to use Bazaar as your DB backend?
17:10 < macflag> MaxSem: something like that
17:10 < werdna> sounds scaaary :)
17:11 < werdna> and like it wouldn't perform very well
17:11 < MaxSem> well, if and when it will support SQL... it'll never run as fast as natively compiled databases
17:11 < MaxSem> ..thoug
17:11 < macflag> werdna: would would be the most scary bit?
17:11 < MaxSem> h
17:11 < MaxSem> PYTHON!
17:11 < werdna> macflag: indexes....
17:12 < macflag> MaxSem: slow?
17:12 < werdna> how would you look up records by multiple criteria?
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17:12 < werdna> how would you keep the schema in place?
17:12 < werdna> what problem are you trying to solve anyway?
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17:12 < MaxSem> K-line for heresy?
17:13 < werdna> heh
17:13 < werdna> I didn't do it
17:13 < charitwo> he was using an open proxy
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17:35 < wikibugs> (mod) Test implementation of FlaggedRevs for the English Wikipedia on en.labs.wikimedia.org - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18334  (cenarium.sysop)
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17:43 < wikibugs> (WFM) The wikisyntax for categories should display a link to category in the edit summary field without using the colon - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20823  +comment (alex.emsenhuber)
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17:52 < CIA-12> werdna * r57227 /trunk/extensions/LiquidThreads/classes/Thread.php: Fix infinite loop on deleting subthreads.
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18:04 < CIA-12> werdna * r57229 /trunk/extensions/LiquidThreads/classes/Thread.php: Fix similar infinite loop to that fixed in r57227 in undeletion.
18:05 < Dr_Jekyll> i have a "invalid title in result set" error on my wanted pages - while search on the net i found "This can be solved by running the refreshLinks.php maintenance script" but i think can't run maintenace scripts on my server (shared hosting) 
18:05 < CIA-12> werdna * r57230 /branches/wmf-deployment/extensions/LiquidThreads/ (. classes/Thread.php): Merge r57229
18:05 < wikibugs> (FIXED) SMWResultArray::SMWResultArray() must be an instance of SMWWikiPageValue - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20755  +comment (dasch_87)
18:05 < wikibugs> (mod) certain mac word (2000) .doc files are incorrectly detected as application/zip - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20924  +comment (nickb)
18:09 < wikibugs> (NEW) Missing/Empty Entries - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20925 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: SemanticResultFormats; (dasch_87)
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18:15 < exercicios> is php memory limit 32m too low for mediawiki?
18:15 < werdna> probably
18:15 < werdna> I'd put it at 50M if i were you
18:16 < exercicios> depends on wiki size?
18:16 < werdna> not really
18:16 < werdna> depends more on extensions, and your setup
18:16 < werdna> if you've optimised it for memory, then maybe you can get away with 20 or 30 M
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18:18 < exercicios> what happens if the script needs more than 30m?
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18:19 < ialex> you'll get a fatal error
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18:21 < exercicios> I use DPL to generate lists by category, nothing complex like sorting or IF/AND/OR
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18:31 < wikibugs> (NEW) Enable RevisionDelete on Hebrew Wikipedia (he.wikipedia) - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20926 enhancement; Normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (yonidebest)
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18:39 < kevindanko> Hello,  how do i set UTF-8 in localsettings?
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18:42 < MaxSem> ???
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18:43 < werdna> kevindanko: you shouldn't need to
18:43 < MaxSem> MW already uses exclusively UTF-8
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18:43 < kevindanko> i have a user who is using mediawiki 1.14 in German  however  it isn't correct
18:44 < kevindanko> we set it to use "de"  however the language isn't correct.
18:44 < kevindanko> its german but certain things are missing.
18:44 < werdna> maybe the translations are poorer quality?
18:45 < kevindanko> its the wrong character set
18:45 < kevindanko> typical german letters like ÄöÜ  aren't correct.
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18:45 < werdna> how do you know that it's the wrong character set?
18:45 < werdna> What character set is specified in the HTML?
18:45 < kevindanko> de
18:45 < werdna> What character set is specified in the HTTP headers?
18:45 < werdna> de is not a character set.
18:46 < werdna> It's a language ISO code
18:46 < kevindanko> where do i find out which character set is specified in the html?
18:47 < GreenReaper> By looking at the HTML?
18:47 < kevindanko> http://www.symptome.ch/wiki/Hauptseite
18:47 < kevindanko> thats the site
18:47 < GreenReaper> You can use Wireshark to check the headers as well.
18:47 < kevindanko> charset is definitely UTF-8
18:48 < GreenReaper> Well, it says that in the HTML.
18:48 < GreenReaper> although you have UTF-8 rather than utf-8
18:48 < werdna> I can't find any problem chars
18:48 < werdna> Can you give an example?
18:49 < kevindanko> brb
18:49 < GreenReaper> It is also specifying Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 in the header.
18:50 < CIA-12> adam * r57231 /trunk/phase3/skins/vector/experiments/ (images/new-border.png new-tabs.css): Updating the tabs experiment
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18:50 < werdna> morning brion
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18:53 < brion> mornin
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18:54 < Nikerabbit> morning
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19:05 < CIA-12> dale * r57232 /trunk/phase3/js2/mwEmbed/ (3 files in 2 dirs): 
19:05 < CIA-12> * added "preview" for firefogg (lets you get a preview of videos as they are encoded)
19:05 < CIA-12> * moved remote oggHandler code to remoteMwEmbed.js (no need for it to be in mv_embed.js)
19:05 < CIA-12> * added class target for button text
19:05 < CIA-12> * updated global mv_embed config vars
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19:05 < Holek> hey
19:05 < Holek> werdna: hey, hey
19:06 < brion> Ok just for kicks lemme try this merge in eclipse+subclipse. If that doesn't do it it's git-svn time :D
19:07 < Holek> werdna: where are lqt_archive_month_annotation and lqt_archive_month_range_annotation messages seen in Liquid Threads?
19:08 < werdna> Holek: probably nowhere
19:08 < werdna> archive stuff doesn't exist anymore :)
19:08 < Holek> ah, cool
19:08 < Holek> well, I had some problems translating it
19:08 < Holek> but it's not a problem then :D
19:09  * werdna removes
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19:19 < wikibugs> (NEW) Checkboxes for RevDelete on user contribs and log pages - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20927 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: Revision deletion; (FT2.wiki)
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19:35 < n0thing> is there any issues with godaddy and Shorturl rewrite rules? I get it to work correctly for wiki.example.com/wiki/, but not wiki.example.com/, the subdomain directory is /wiki/
19:37 < Belegnar> hi! is there any extension, wich generates short or human-readable links for pages with non-english titles?
19:38 < wikibugs> (REOPENED) deployment of edit toolbar causes absolutely infuriating cursor jump - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20922  +comment (lkcl)
19:38 < cirwin> Belegnar: yes, I think there is,, though the name escapes me now
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19:40 < wikibugs> (NEW) Change visibility fails if existing states not identical. Use tri-state buttons? - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20928 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: Revision deletion; (FT2.wiki)
19:40 < wikibugs> (mod) deployment of edit toolbar causes absolutely infuriating cursor jump - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20922  (conrad.irwin)
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19:43 < CIA-12> werdna * r57233 /trunk/extensions/LiquidThreads/i18n/Lqt.i18n.php: Remove some unused messages from ages ago :)
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19:46 < wikibugs> (mod) deployment of edit toolbar causes absolutely infuriating cursor jump - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20922  (lkcl)
19:48 < brion> Ok eclipse/subclipse was a total failure
19:48 < brion> it shit itself on the first conflict and gave up
19:48 < brion> git-svn it is
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19:49 < cirwin> good luck
19:49 < cirwin> won't the import take forever?
19:50 < ^demon> brion: I gave up on eclipse w/ svn about 6 months ago :)
19:52 < brion> i've got a local copy of the repo, should help
19:52 < cirwin> ok
19:53 < brion> oh goodie i have to recompile git from macports to enable svn integration
19:53 < brion> Why does anyone think BSD ports are a good thing to model after?
19:54 < cirwin> they all have nice beards? 
19:56  * werdna watches with amusement
19:57 < brion> if svn 1.6's interactive merge just handled tree conflicts i'd have finished this yesterday and been doing something else now
19:57 < brion> sigh
19:57 < werdna> brion: so when are we switching to git? :)
19:58 < brion> :D
19:59  * MaxSem suggests TortoiseSVN + Araxis Merge. but oh, wait, how did you call that thing, OSX? where did you get it?
19:59 < werdna> brion: that wasn't a rhetorical question :P
20:00 < brion> we need to figure out best way to handle multiple modules such as extensions still
20:00 < brion> a giant blob of everything kinda sucks
20:00 < brion> for git
20:02 < werdna> RoanKattouw_away: that's a hilarious final comment on that bug report
20:02 < werdna> brion: have them as separate blobs, and include them in /extensions with git externals?
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20:02 < brion> my impression is that git externals are kinda flaky, but i haven't had a chance to experiment w/ em yet
20:03 < afraidoftrees> split them up.. extensions/working, extensions/broken, extension/wtf
20:03 < cirwin> the submodules work reasonably well
20:03 < MaxSem> too often you'll have to move stuff between these categories
20:03 < brion> i think they'd all be in wtf afraidoftrees 
20:04 < cirwin> but you'd need one per extension
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20:04 < werdna> brion: except maybe 2 of the ones that we run on Wikimedia :P
20:07 < wikibugs> (mod) deployment of edit toolbar causes absolutely infuriating cursor jump - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20922  (lkcl)
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20:10 < CIA-12> dale * r57234 /trunk/phase3/js2/mwEmbed/php/maintenance/mergeJavascriptMsg.php: * updated php merge script to accept -j (to merge php msg to js) and -p to merge js msg to php)
20:12 < werdna> brion: well, if we look into it for a day or two to check everything's good, and it saves two of these multiday merge extravagandas... :P
20:14 < Happy-melon> brion: which two??  :D
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20:18 < aypea> ?0 people in this room
20:18 < aypea> ?
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20:20 < cirwin> hi aypea
20:20 < Reedy> 0 ops, 201 people
20:20 < aypea> oic - weird my pidgin isn't listing anyone besides "mikeschuld"
20:20 < Reedy> he's just entered...
20:21 < cirwin> broken pidgin then
20:21 < mikeschuld> aypea: that's because im in pidgin
20:21 < mikeschuld> :D
20:21 < mikeschuld> mine shows everyone though
20:21  * cirwin is in pidgin and can see all
20:21 < apergos> me too
20:21 < aypea> It's something to do with my ToR I think - I kept getting booted when I was trying to join
20:22 < wikibugs> (mod) Proofread Page on oldwikisource - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19534  +comment (aleator_wiki)
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20:22 < mikeschuld> recommended best way of getting local back of database? I have read the :Database_download and discussion and am thinking of using rsync. Comments?
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20:22 < aypea> Anyway, Does anyone know a script for mediawiki that presents a random 'fact' at the top of each page - selects from a list which I specific
20:23 < CIA-12> dale * r57235 /trunk/phase3/js2/mwEmbed/libAddMedia/ (mvBaseUploadInterface.js mvFirefogg.js): 
20:23 < CIA-12> * don't display preview button on passthrough uploads (.tiff images etc)
20:23 < CIA-12> * updated msg text to not use title case
20:23 < CIA-12> * fixed bug where close dialog did not remove inner html from dom (videos continued to play)
20:23 < aypea> I want it to rotate between a message asking for donations, one telling them to login to edit, etc
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20:26 < MacMed> would anyone mind helpingme out for a sec?
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20:26 < MaxSem> !ask | MacMed
20:26 < mwbot> MacMed: Don't say "I have a question", or ask "Is anyone around?" or "Can anyone help?". Just ask the question, and someone will help you if they can. See also: !gethelp
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20:27 < n0thing> is there any issues with godaddy and Shorturl rewrite rules? I get it to work correctly for wiki.example.com/wiki/, but not wiki.example.com/, the subdomain directory is /wiki/
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20:28 < mikeschuld> godaddy has very limited rewrite support I think
20:28 < mikeschuld> it took me a very long time to get my mediawiki and wordpress working side by side
20:28 < MacMed> in SpecialBlockip, there's a check to see if an admin is trying to block a hidden user, but they don't have hideuser right. it returns an array called 'hookaborted', but i can't find it in messagesEn.php, and it returns "Error:Could not submit form. <hookaborted>"
20:28 < n0thing> damnit
20:28 < mikeschuld> it is possible though
20:28 < MacMed> is that simply because there is no definition in messagesEn
20:29 < mikeschuld> I can look at my .htaccess real fast and check what I did if you'd like
20:29 < mikeschuld> I was not using subdomain though
20:29 < mikeschuld> just /wiki
20:30 < Harmageddon> MacMed: already looked in MediaWiki:Allmessages?
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20:30 < n0thingg> sorry got disconnected
20:31 < mikeschuld> ah
20:31 < CIA-12> brion * r57236 /branches/wmf-deployment/extensions/UsabilityInitiative/ (41 files in 15 dirs): Merged UsabilityInitiative updates from trunk through r57234
20:31 < n0thingg> did you post anything mikeschuld?
20:31 < mikeschuld> sec I am grabbing my .htaccess
20:31 < n0thingg> thanks
20:31 < MacMed> Haramgeddon:it's deleted
20:31 < Harmageddon> MacMed: sorry, Special:Allmessages
20:32 < n0thingg> mikeschuld, because you're running on subdomain without subdirectory right?
20:32 < aypea> Is there no wikimedia support forums?
20:32 < MacMed> Harmageddon:  no results
20:32 < mikeschuld> n0thing, no subdomain
20:32 < mikeschuld> www.domain.com/wiki
20:32 < Harmageddon> hm
20:32 < n0thingg> ok
20:32 < mikeschuld> http://dpaste.org/OUPL/
20:33 < wikibugs> (mod) Change visibility fails if existing states not identical. Use tri-state buttons? - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20928  (JSchulz_4587)
20:33 < mikeschuld> order is important
20:33 < n0thingg> thanks
20:33 < mikeschuld> and some is needed for my workpress to still work
20:33 < mikeschuld> some pages (Search result) don't show as nicely in the url, but they act the same on wikipedia.com so I didn't worry about it
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20:34 < n0thingg> ok
20:34 < n0thingg> thanks man
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20:35 < MacMed> Harmageddon: think it would work if i just added it to MessagesEn.php
20:35 < MacMed> ?
20:35 < CIA-12> dale * r57237 /trunk/phase3/js2/mwEmbed/php/noMediaWikiConfig.php: * fixed json mapping issue for no-mediawiki instance
20:35 < Harmageddon> what is in MessagesEn.php this "edit-hook-aborted"?
20:35 < Harmageddon> do you search this?
20:35 < n0thingg> meh, think I'm gonna give up the subdomain part.
20:35 < Harmageddon> dont know
20:36 < n0thingg> any easy way to move the domain back to www.?
20:36 < n0thingg> err, MW.
20:36 < n0thingg> i mean
20:37 < MacMed> Harmageddon: i think its something different
20:37 < mikeschuld> you could copy over the files and just delete the config
20:37 < Harmageddon> ok
20:37 < MacMed> ill pastebin the exact code from SpecialBlockip.php
20:37 < mikeschuld> when you visit the wiki homepage it will ask you to reconfigure
20:37 < n0thingg> ok mikeschuld, ill delete the subdomain then
20:37 < n0thingg> its already in the correct folder
20:37 < aypea> Hello???  are there any wikimedia support forums??
20:37 < Harmageddon> MacMed: you can try it
20:38 < MacMed> http://dpaste.org/JP5S/
20:38 < mikeschuld> !google mediawiki support
20:38 < mwbot> You haven't googled it yet. < http://www.google.com >
20:38 < mikeschuld> :/
20:38 < MacMed> thats the code
20:38 < wikibugs> (DUP) Checkboxes for RevDelete on user contribs and log pages - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20927  +comment (JSchulz_4587)
20:38 < wikibugs> (mod) Add checkboxes for revision deletion on Special:Contributions, Special:DeletedContributions, Special:Undelete, and Special:Log - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20189  +comment (JSchulz_4587)
20:38 < aypea> mikeschuld; I've done that, all I get is some shitty wikimedia based support forum which is useless
20:39 < mikeschuld> wikimedia != mediawiki
20:39 < mikeschuld> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Project:Help
20:39 < aypea> Oh
20:39 < mikeschuld> they have an unofficial community forum listed there
20:39 < aypea> no that one is useless
20:39 < aypea> found this one tho; http://www.mwusers.com/
20:39 < aypea> pz
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20:40 < mikeschuld> also a bit in manual....
20:40 < mikeschuld> sigh
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20:41 < Harmageddon> so, now I've got a problem, too. How can I create a specialpage that is like a HTML-page?
20:45 < CIA-12> dale * r57238 /trunk/phase3/js2/mwEmbed/php/ (2 files in 2 dirs): 
20:45 < CIA-12> * added -q option that disables output of the mergeJavascript php
20:45 < CIA-12> * quick add of firefogg msgs for remote testing (normally js msgs are added to php via by the localization script)
20:46 < Harmageddon> :D I'm asking and no one's there anymore :D
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20:47 < CIA-12> aaron * r57239 /trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/maintenance/updateLinks.inc: increased page BATCH_SIZE
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20:47 < werdna> brion: you had issues with Adium/StatusNet where it logs you out permanently if your network connection is disrupted?
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20:48 < cirwin> Harmageddon: it is quite easy to create a new SpecialPage
20:48 < brion> werdna: not particularly
20:48 < cirwin> there are instructions on mediawiki.org
20:48 < brion> though AIM sometimes decides i've been logging in too often and bans me for a while
20:48 < werdna> yeah, I've had that
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20:49 < MacMed> hmm
20:50 < MacMed> werdna: do you think that https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20524 could be fixed by simply adding a message to MessagesEn.php?
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20:55 < ^demon> hahaha, I just got an email through enwiki complaining of "admin abuse" and wanting me to handle it.
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20:56 < cirwin> yeah, no-one should be allowed to abuse admins
20:56 < brion> ok git-svn's going to take hours just to set up. gonna try an old-fashioned diff :D
20:56 < ^demon> brion: you could just deploy trunk (and then pray) :p
20:57 < brion> :)
20:57 < ^demon> cirwin: I can't decide how to respond.
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21:02 < CIA-12> dale * r57240 /trunk/phase3/js2/mwEmbed/php/maintenance/mergeJavascriptMsg.php: * ignore the scirptName argument
21:03 < Harmageddon> cirwin: and where?
21:04 < MacMed> Harmageddon: i cant test it
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21:05 < cirwin> http://lmgtfy.com/?q=special%20page%20site:mediawiki.org Harmageddon
21:05 < YellowDog> test
21:06 < Harmageddon> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Special_pages#Basic_special_page_template
21:06 < Harmageddon> i've found that, too
21:06 < Harmageddon> but doesn't work really
21:06 < cirwin> what doesn't work about it?
21:06 < MacMed> Harmageddon: what are you trying to do?
21:06 < Harmageddon> I'm trying to create a special page
21:07 < MacMed> Manual:Special pages should tell you everything you need
21:07 < Harmageddon> Is it right to write the content into the file <special_page_name>_body.php?
21:07 < cirwin> yes
21:07 < MacMed> yep
21:08 < MacMed> you just have to make sure you use $wgAutoloadClasses['ExtensionName'] = $dir . '<special_page_name>_body.php';
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21:08 < MacMed> i think thats the right global
21:09 < ^demon> Yes.
21:09 < Harmageddon> that thing shows me the title as "&lt;Extensionname&gt;"
21:09 < ^demon> Assuming $dir is the full path to where the file is :)
21:09 < Harmageddon> and the text on top left of the page, where the logo is
21:09 < Harmageddon> yes
21:09 < MacMed> oh yeah
21:10 < MacMed> set $dir = dirname(__FILE__) . '/';
21:11 < Harmageddon> is set
21:11 < MacMed> ^demon: mind taking a look at  https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20524 for me? do i just have to add a message to MessagesEn.php/
21:11 < MacMed> Harmageddon: pastebin your setup file
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21:12 < Harmageddon> <?php
21:12 < Harmageddon> # Alert the user that this is not a valid entry point to MediaWiki if they try to access the special pages file directly.
21:12 < Harmageddon> if (!defined('MEDIAWIKI')) {
21:12 < Harmageddon>         echo <<<EOT
21:12 < Harmageddon> To install my extension, put the following line in LocalSettings.php:
21:12 < Harmageddon> require_once( "\$IP/extensions/Formulargenerator/Formulargenerator.php" );
21:12 < Harmageddon> EOT;
21:12 < Harmageddon>         exit( 1 );
21:12 < Harmageddon> }
21:12 < Harmageddon>  
21:12 < Harmageddon> $wgExtensionCredits['specialpage'][] = array(
21:12 < Harmageddon> 	'name' => 'Formulargenerator',
21:12 < cirwin> Harmageddon: pastebin!
21:12 < Harmageddon> 	'author' => 'Harmageddon',
21:12 < Harmageddon> 	'url' => 'http://www.harmageddon.broesel.org/wiki/Spezial:Formulargenerator',
21:12 < Harmageddon> 	'version' => '1.0.0',
21:12 < Harmageddon> );
21:12 < MacMed> Harmageddon: NO LINES
21:12 < Harmageddon>  
21:12 < Harmageddon> $dir = dirname(__FILE__) . '/';
21:12 < Harmageddon>  
21:12 < Harmageddon> $wgAutoloadClasses['Formulargenerator'] = $dir . 'Formulargenerator_body.php'; # Tell MediaWiki to load the extension body.
21:12 < Harmageddon> $wgExtensionMessagesFiles['Formulargenerator'] = $dir . 'Formulargenerator.i18n.php';
21:13 < Harmageddon> $wgExtensionAliasesFiles['Formulargenerator'] = $dir . 'Formulargenerator.alias.php';
21:13 < mikeschuld> its too late
21:13 < Harmageddon> $wgSpecialPages['Formulargenerator'] = 'Formulargenerator'; # Let MediaWiki know about your new special page.
21:13 < mikeschuld> he pasted it all
21:13 < Harmageddon> ?>
21:13 < Harmageddon> "Formulargenerator" is the name of the page
21:13 < Harmageddon> ?
21:13 < mikeschuld> his irc is timing the submits
21:13 < Harmageddon> sorry
21:13 < MacMed> pastebin next time
21:13 < MacMed> :)
21:13 < mikeschuld> MacMed: it seems to me that you shoudl explicity check that the user is hidden and then and only then show the message. There may be other things (unfound things) that would throw the same error
21:13 < Harmageddon> ok
21:13 < MacMed> mikeschuld: it does check
21:13 < MacMed> that returns after the check
21:14 < MacMed> Harmageddon: that should work
21:14 < mikeschuld> MacMed: what's the file/line where the check is?
21:15 < brion> ok trying yet another way to $#$#* merge :)
21:15 < MacMed> http://pastebin.com/m1f9b9bf7
21:15 < Harmageddon> is it correct to put the text that should be on the page at the point where is standing "# Do stuff" in the manual?
21:15 < MacMed> lines 456-358
21:15 < MacMed> *458
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21:15 < Natalie> You know what would be nice?
21:16 < MacMed> Harmageddon: $wgOut->addHTML('insert HTML here');
21:16 < Natalie> If you hit an edit conflict, there should be a user preference or something like "Please don't spit back 2 MB of text at me, I can just hit the back button on my browser."
21:17 < MacMed> mikeschuld: pastebin and line numbers above
21:17 < Harmageddon> MacMed: thanks a lot. But why is the title of the page "&lt;formulargenerator&gt;"?
21:17 < cirwin> Natalie: the same with the new "you might lose your changes" pop up on usability
21:17 < cirwin> good browsers remember what you put in the box
21:17 < CIA-12> dale * r57241 /trunk/phase3/js2/mwEmbed/ (3 files in 2 dirs): 
21:17 < CIA-12> * allow for resampling ogg videos in the advanced encoder
21:17 < CIA-12> * dialog display size updates when video clips
21:18 < MacMed> Harmageddon: you may wanna look it up but i BELIEVE you should put $wgOut->setTitle('FormularGenerator');
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21:19 < Harmageddon> Fatal error: Call to undefined method OutputPage::setTitle()
21:19 < cirwin> create <SpecialPage>.i18n.php
21:19 < MacMed> setPageTitle()
21:19 < cirwin> and then you can set the title properly
21:19 < werdna> Natalie: edit conflicts won't be all that big a deal when LiquidThreads comes
21:20 < werdna> since discussions are the major major causes of them :)
21:20 < Natalie> It'd still be nice to have a preference. LQT is an extension and all.
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21:21 < MacMed> mikeschuld: http://pastebin.com/m1f9b9bf7 lines 456-458
21:21 < mikeschuld> MacMed: the standard code for hookaborted is "The modification you tried to make was aborted by an extension hook"
21:22 < MacMed> yes, but we don't want that
21:22 < mikeschuld> can you just change the 'info' member of the hash and set it to a more useful message on the return?
21:22 < mikeschuld> or will it not overwrite the default?
21:22 < MacMed> i'm not sure what you mean
21:22 < mikeschuld> the ticket doesn't say that that message is showing
21:22 < mikeschuld> shouldn't the "info" for hookaborted be showing as well? or is that just logged?
21:23 < MacMed> i believe its logged
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21:23 < Harmageddon> sorry if i'm too stupid, but it doesnt work
21:23 < mikeschuld> hmmm
21:24 < mikeschuld> it seems to me that those info messages should be showing as well. At least from the wording of some of them in ApiBase.php
21:24 < cirwin> Harmageddon: to get the title, read http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Special_pages#The_Messages_File
21:24 < mikeschuld> ex: 'ipb_already_blocked' => array('code' => 'alreadyblocked', 'info' => "The user you tried to block was already blocked"),
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21:25 < MacMed> but that is also in MessagesEn.php
21:25 < Harmageddon> ok, found my mistake. Thank you guys!
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21:26 < MacMed> meaning 'ipb_already_blocked' has a definition in there
21:27 < CIA-12> aaron * r57242 /trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/ (3 files in 3 dirs): bug 20861: add rev timestamp to review log
21:27 < mikeschuld> hookaborted doesn't though?
21:27 < wikibugs> (FIXED) Flagged revisions, review log: minor but very helpful enhancement - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20861  +comment (JSchulz_4587)
21:28 < mikeschuld> ah
21:28 < mikeschuld> i see
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21:28 < MacMed> but it cant because its for all different things
21:28 < MacMed> so im thinking maybe create a whole new messahe
21:28 < MacMed> *message
21:29 < MacMed> so messages.inc would have to be changed as well
21:31 < mikeschuld> something like: "ipb_permission_mismatch" "you don't have the correct permissions to block this ip"
21:32 < CIA-12> brion * r57243 /trunk/phase3/includes/diff/DifferenceInterface.php: fix eol style
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21:33 < MacMed> okay
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21:33 < MacMed> i'll post a patch to the bug
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21:36 < CIA-12> brion * r57244 /trunk/phase3/includes/Pager.php: Revert r57208 - unexpected message format type change from plaintext to raw-HTML
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21:39 < ex_> ?? What is happening? Finished installing, however I can't see the mainpage, all I see is a two characters error
21:39 < ex_> <_ some unknown character, and that's all 
21:39 < thedj> sure that's not your username mr. ex ?
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21:40 < CIA-12> brion * r57245 /branches/wmf-deployment-2009-10-01/: 
21:40 < CIA-12> Recloning from trunk at r57244 for wmf-deployment update...
21:40 < CIA-12> SVN 1.6's branch merging can't handle trunk right now, keeps dying with "tree merge conflicts". Git sounds better all the time. :)
21:41 < thedj> brion: git is briljant, as long as you know how to use it.
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21:41 < thedj> it's a rather big step for the newb developers :(
21:41 < wikibugs> (mod) Hideuser: Error when trying to block hidden user without hideuser right - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20524  (mac.med02)
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21:42 < MaxSem> thedj, http://code.google.com/p/tortoisegit/
21:42 < wikibugs> (NEW) Show signature in preview - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20929 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: LiquidThreads; (agarrett)
21:42 < MaxSem> tried it myself, looks sane so far
21:42 < MacMed> mikeschuld: you have commit access?
21:42 < mikeschuld> MacMed: heh my "" phrases were only suggestions
21:42 < MacMed> meh
21:42 < MacMed> sounded fine to me :P
21:42 < mikeschuld> naw
21:43 < mikeschuld> no access for me :p
21:43 < CIA-12> brion * r57246 /branches/wmf-deployment-2009-10-01/extensions/: drop default ext dir
21:43 < thedj> mdale: i was wondering, is the plan to merge video support into the core and deprecate the old extension ?
21:43 < mikeschuld> I just poke and prod
21:43 < MacMed> what else can i say. if the user's hidden, no one should know thhey exist :) 
21:43 < MacMed> heh
21:43 < MacMed> now i go on an epic hunt for committers
21:43 < thedj> MaxSem: yeah, it's a lot handier.
21:43 < mikeschuld> especially if they were Oversight hidden
21:43 < mikeschuld> lol
21:43 < MacMed> that arent busy with wmf deployment
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21:44 < wikibugs> (NEW) Lack of paper trail for thread splitting and merging - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20930 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: LiquidThreads; (agarrett)
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21:44 < brion> ok i'll finish this up later
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21:44 < wikibugs> (NEW) Hook edit for LiquidThreads post-edit updates - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20931 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: LiquidThreads; (agarrett)
21:44 < CIA-12> brion * r57247 /branches/wmf-deployment-2009-10-01/extensions/: and check in the extension set from current wmf-deployment (as of 57246)
21:45 < mikeschuld> MacMed: why not spend the time getting commit for yourself?
21:45 < wikibugs> (NEW) LiquidThreads toolbar does not work - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20932 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: LiquidThreads; (agarrett)
21:45 < MacMed> would brion be willing to give it to me?
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21:46 < MacMed> mikeschuld: ^
21:46 < Splarka> there is a rigorous form to fill out
21:46 < Splarka> [ ] are you Jidanni?
21:46 < Splarka> that's it
21:46 < mikeschuld> lol
21:46 < thedj> and an arbitrary waiting period 
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21:46 < MacMed> meh
21:46 < MacMed> lets do it on IRC! :D
21:47  * mikeschuld gets that message a lot
21:47 < mikeschuld> but mostly from girls
21:47 < mikeschuld> :o
21:47 < wikibugs> (NEW) LiquidThreads should have more display preferences - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20933 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: LiquidThreads; (agarrett)
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21:47 < MacMed> hehehe
21:48 < wikibugs> (NEW) LiquidThreads has no support for RTL - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20934 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: LiquidThreads; (agarrett)
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21:48 < MacMed> now i just wanna ping him, but i dont wanna get eated by the big CTO
21:49 < ex_> tried to reinstall
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21:49 < ex_> all I see is a link to the webhost's mainpage
21:49 < wikibugs> (NEW) LiquidThreads placeholders have no pointer to the new page - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20935 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: LiquidThreads; (agarrett)
21:50 < ThomasV> is brion going to bless us with a scap ?
21:53 < Skizzerz> Splarka: lol
21:53 < werdna> ThomasV: soon
21:53 < Skizzerz> MacMed: there's a page on mediawiki.org called "Commit access requests" or something to that extent. Add your name there
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21:54 < Skizzerz> along with the other info they need
21:54 < MacMed> Skizzerz: thanks
21:54 < Skizzerz> you'll need a public key
21:55 < MacMed> got one
21:55 < mikeschuld> rsa or gpg?
21:56 < roberthl> rsa
21:56  * mikeschuld assumes rsa
21:57 < Splarka> And seeing hte multitudes he went up with a mountain Dew, and when he was reset, his developers came unto him, and he opoened his mouth and nommed a stroopwafel, saying, Blessed are the nonprofit in spirit for theirs is the svn of heaven. Blessed are they with bugzilla, for they shall be comforted. Blessed are the PHP, for they shall inherit the earth. BLessed are they which do hunger and thirst after all nighters, for they shall be stuffed after.
21:57 < MacMed> lolz
21:58 < Splarka> Thus as it is in trunk, so shall it be in wmf-deployment.
21:58 < Skizzerz> Is this from the newly-uncovered Book of Wikimedia?
21:58 < mikeschuld> Splarka: what about trac :p
21:58 < Splarka> 1. Thou Shalt Not Trac
21:58 < mikeschuld> hahaha
21:58 < Splarka> 2. Thou Shalt Have No Other Bug Tracker Before Me
21:59 < mikeschuld> there you go
21:59 < Reedy> Splarka, do you just spend all day writing quotes for bugzilla?
21:59 < mikeschuld> i was just typing that one
21:59 < Splarka> 3. Thou Shalt Not Covet Thy Neighbor's Bug Trackers
21:59 < Splarka> etc
21:59 < GreenReaper> Who, then, is my neighbor?
22:00 < mikeschuld> actually it should be 3. Thou shalt not take the Bugzilla's name in vain
22:00 < Skizzerz> Splarka: If you do not provide 10 commandments, then I shall fix the rainbow titles
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22:00 < Splarka> bah, um... Thous Shalt Not Commit Extensions/Adultery
22:01 < ThomasV> lol
22:01 < mikeschuld> I would say your neighbor would be others with commit :p
22:01 < mikeschuld> or some without :O
22:01 < Splarka> (0 == '0' && '0' == '' && 0 == '') is Always False
22:01 < mikeschuld> so "Thou shalt not covet thy neighbors commit priveleges"
22:04 < MacMed> i'm going to developer hell then :(
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22:05 < mikeschuld> its ok. I don't really follow the standard interpretations of many commandments...
22:05 < mikeschuld> although some are hard to interpret wrong
22:05 < mikeschuld> "dont kill stuff" for example
22:05 < mikeschuld> the bugzilla ones are much better imo
22:06 < Skizzerz> indeed
22:06 < Skizzerz> much more clear-cut
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22:06 < fale> hi
22:06 < cirwin> they have the advantage of having been written in the language you're freading them
22:06 < cirwin> *reading
22:06 < cirwin> hi fale
22:06 < mikeschuld> cirwin: who says the others weren't ;)
22:06 < Skizzerz> "Thou shalt squarsh all bugs ye may find, if thou art able"
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22:07 < fale> I tried to install a mediawiki on a ocssolutions hosting, but when I upload an svg content it returns me this: http://qtmoko.org/wiki/File:English_language.svg
22:07 < cirwin> mikeschuld: I think even the creationists would have a hard time convincing themselves that moses spoke english
22:07 < mikeschuld> who said anything about english?
22:08 < ex_> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
22:08 < ex_> it useless to keep reinstalling
22:08 < Skizzerz> aaaaaa? aaa aaa!
22:08 < ex_> it keeps showing a blank page with webhost logo instead of the wiki's mainpage
22:08 < Skizzerz> http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/AAAAAAAAA!
22:08 < Splarka> "If PHP was good enough for Alan Turing it's good enough for me"
22:08 < cirwin> you speak Aramaic? cool
22:08 < mikeschuld> cirwin: working on it :p
22:09 < cirwin> nice
22:09 < cirwin> add some words to wiktionary while you're at it ;)
22:10 < mikeschuld> its in a long list of other languages though :/
22:10 < MacMed> Skizzerz: how long is the general wait for commit? just wondering
22:10 < Splarka> check the page history
22:11 < Splarka> I think it's only happened twice in bulk
22:11 < Splarka> maybe three times
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22:12 < MacMed> seems to happen every month or so
22:12 < MacMed> last one was 3 weeks ago
22:12 < ex_> the host must have changed something
22:12 < ex_> I did work many hours ago
22:13 < ex_> but now, no matter what I do I keep seeing a blank page with the webhost banner
22:13 < MacMed> and im not about to IRC nag :P
22:16 < ex_> \ufffd
22:16 < mikeschuld> \x0000 is a null char
22:16 < mikeschuld> \u*
22:17 < ex_> what is null?
22:17 < mikeschuld> just the name for undefined things...
22:18 < mikeschuld> ex_: is it an .htaccess issue?
22:18 < mikeschuld> just getting the hosting banner seems like a bad redirect?
22:18 < fale> I have ImageMagick installed... but the mediawiki returns this: http://qtmoko.org/wiki/File:English_language.svg
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22:19 < ex_> bad redirect?
22:19 < ex_> the host doesn't even have an idex.html file
22:19 < ex_> index
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22:24 < CIA-12> catrope * r57248 /trunk/extensions/UsabilityInitiative/ (6 files in 3 dirs): UsabilityInitiative: Some performance improvements for NTOC and autoEllipse
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22:25 < ex_> the wiki is installed but refuses to show
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22:30 < wikibugs> (INVALID) Insert Links : Page sections shall be validated or provide as suggestion - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20920  +comment (roan.kattouw)
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22:32 < wikibugs> (FIXED) NTOC : Sections with space at the end are not shown in TOC - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20918  +comment (roan.kattouw)
22:32 < YellowDog_> I've set up a two-domain/dual-language wiki farm on a Unix server using same source and image folders according to Scenario 3 (http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Wiki_family#Scenario_3:_Quick_set-up). This works great for the purpose as it is only a small wiki. However, I must upload images on both wikis for them to appear on both, which is a bit user-unfriendly, although images are not stored in duplicate. Additionally, there's a rik
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22:33 < YellowDog_> Is there a way to automatically transclude uploaded images along with image description pages ('File:Img.jpg') onto either wiki regardless of which wiki an image is uploaded onto?
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22:35 < RoanKattouw> @search foreignrepo
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22:35 < mwbot> Results: []
22:35 < RoanKattouw> @search foreignapirepo
22:35 < mwbot> Results: []
22:35 < YellowDog_> I tested using a commons (pool wiki), which was more complex to set up, but not ideal from a user point of view either, al least not for a small two-language wiki.
22:36 < RoanKattouw> YellowDog_: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgForeignFileRepos#Using_files_from_a_database_that_you_can_access_:_ForeignDBRepo
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22:36 < wikibugs> (FIXED) Enable RevisionDelete on Hebrew Wikipedia (he.wikipedia) - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20926  +comment (rhalsell)
22:38 < YellowDog_> RoanKattouw_: Thanks, thats were I got stuck before. Will dive into this again :-)
22:38 < wikibugs> (mod) "Semiprotecting page" flag partitioned from "protect" right - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10192  +comment (mac.med02)
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22:41 < wlan0> does anybody in here know anything about URL rewriting with .htaccess?
22:41 < ialex> !shorturl
22:41 < mwbot> To create simple URLs (such as the /wiki/PAGENAME style URLs on Wikimedia sites), follow the instructions at <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL>. There are instructions for most different webserver setups. If you have problems getting the rewrite rules to work, see !rewriteproblem
22:41 < wlan0> yeah, I already tried that
22:42 < wlan0> as I'm here, it obviously did not work
22:42 < wlan0> !rewriteproblem
22:42 < mwbot> 1) Try <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL/wiki/Page_title_--_no_root_access> as a fail-safe method; 2) Do not put the files into the document root; 3) Do not map the pages into the document root; 4) Use different, non-overlapping paths for real files and virtual pages; 5) Do not set a RewriteBase; 6) Put all rules into the .htaccess file in the document root.
22:42 < wlan0> yeah already tried that too...
22:43 < wlan0> hence why I'm in here asking
22:43 < mdale> thedj: yea thats the idea .. I should have most of the js2 stuff accessible as a gadget shortly 
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22:54 < CIA-12> dale * r57249 /trunk/phase3/js2/mwEmbed/libAddMedia/mvFirefogg.js: * fixed output size display for encode video
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22:55 < CIA-12> tparscal * r57250 /trunk/extensions/UsabilityInitiative/EditToolbar/EditToolbar.i18n.php: Improved message for dialogs preference label.
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22:56 < mikeschuld> wlan0: who is your host?
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22:56 < wlan0> servage
22:56 < mikeschuld> hmm
22:56 < wlan0> I have access to .htaccess but not to the apache server
22:56 < mikeschuld> well there was a similar issue earlier with a godaddy person that I pasted my godaddy .htaccess for
22:56 < mikeschuld> it might at least be a good reference
22:57 < wlan0> well i got it to work
22:57 < wlan0> kinda
22:57 < wlan0> I have it in the root directory
22:57 < mikeschuld> http://dpaste.org/OUPL/
22:57 < wlan0> which looking now i see its recommended not to do that ~_~
22:58 < mikeschuld> yeah
22:58 < wlan0> but it did work following the directions
22:58 < wlan0> except for when I'd try to do subpages
22:58 < wlan0> like
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22:58 < wlan0> Template:Infobox/doc
22:58 < wlan0> would give a 404 error
22:58 < mikeschuld> hmm
22:58 < wlan0> I could edit the page though
22:58 < wlan0> if i went to index.php?title=Infobox/doc&action=edit
22:59 < wlan0> but once i saved it and it tried to go back to Template:Infobox/doc it'd give me a 404 again
22:59 < mikeschuld> could be your regex in the redirect isn't handling the / correctly
22:59 < wlan0> thats what I assumed
22:59 < wlan0> but I did what was listed
22:59 < wlan0> and i dont know enough about .htaccess to try to hammer out a fixed version myself
23:00 < mikeschuld> hm
23:00 < RoanKattouw> brion: CodeReview needs a select all for the checkboxes
23:00 < wlan0> my guess was it was trying to find index.php?title=Template:Infobox/index.php?title=doc
23:00 < wlan0> or something like that
23:00 < brion> RoanKattouw: shift-click works :)
23:00 < RoanKattouw> Oh nice
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23:01 < wlan0> so I was wondering if there was just a way to hide index.php entirely
23:01 < wlan0> I mean, it'd look really bad when the url is ...org/?title=Template:Infobox&action=edit
23:01 < wlan0> but i dont expect people to be copy pasting those anyway
23:02 < werdna> !shorturl
23:02 < mwbot> To create simple URLs (such as the /wiki/PAGENAME style URLs on Wikimedia sites), follow the instructions at <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL>. There are instructions for most different webserver setups. If you have problems getting the rewrite rules to work, see !rewriteproblem
23:02 < wlan0> yes... we've been over this... thank you -_-
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23:05 < MacMed> heh, i see brion! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ukytqe9pwDM
23:05 < MacMed> i think
23:06 < str4nd> that's an illusion
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23:07 < MacMed> i just didn't know what he looked like -.-
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23:10 < brion> wow that's good quality video
23:10 < CIA-12> nimishg * r57251 /trunk/extensions/UsabilityInitiative/UserDailyContribs/ (UserDailyContribs.hooks.php UserDailyContribs.php): Added ParserTestTables function to make sure tables exist
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23:12 < werdna> Ive done two weeks worth of commits in the last day :)
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23:18 < CIA-12> brion * r57252 /branches/wmf-deployment-2009-10-01/ (6 files in 4 dirs): 
23:18 < CIA-12> Reapply -wmf version tweak and some files from deployment branch
23:18 < CIA-12> roughly r53265, r53317, r53318
23:18 < brion> i'll stab ya 
23:18  * werdna kicks CIA-12 
23:18 < CIA-12> ow
23:18 < werdna> brion: ??
23:20 < CIA-12> nimishg * r57253 /trunk/extensions/UsabilityInitiative/ClickTracking/ (5 files): Added clicktracking to parse tables testing
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23:28 < brion-meeting> Aaron|away: we're trying to call ya :)
23:29 < Aaron|away> my phone is silent
23:29 -!- Aaron|away is now known as AaronSchulz
23:29 < CIA-12> ialex * r57254 /trunk/ (3 files in 2 dirs): svn:eol-style native
23:29 < brion-meeting> AaronSchulz: shall we try again or use different #?
23:29 < CIA-12> siebrand * r57255 /trunk/phase3/ (34 files in 2 dirs): Localisation updates for core messages from translatewiki.net (2009-10-01 21:16 UTC)
23:30 < brion-meeting> we're getting voicemail :D
23:30 < AaronSchulz> hmm, recharger wasn't working in the outlet
23:30 < YellowDog_> RoanKattouw_: Just got the images working fine between the two-wiki farm with the ForeignDBRepo method - thanks for the tip!
23:30 < AaronSchulz> seems to work in my surge protector outlets
23:30 < brion-meeting> tell us when it's alive :D
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23:30 < AaronSchulz> I think it died when you guys called
23:31 < brion-meeting> heh
23:31 < AaronSchulz> which is typical if it is really low
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23:31 < AaronSchulz> brion-meeting: it will be a while, I don't know what the apt phone # is and I don't think it takes non-local calls anyway
23:32 < AaronSchulz> never too late to skype :)
23:32 < brion-meeting> yeah that'll work :)
23:32 < JucaBlues> I am trying to edit an article through an ajax call (from within a firefox addon I am developing)
23:32 < JucaBlues> but I get this error: Request-URI Too Large
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23:33 < brion-meeting> AaronSchulz: you see me online?
23:34 < JucaBlues> I think that the whole article should go into the text attribute, am I wrong?
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23:34 < Splarka> JucaBlues: are you POSTing?
23:34 < JucaBlues> yes
23:34 < brion-meeting> JucaBlues: you'll need to put that in the post data, not on the url
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23:34 < YellowDog_> RoanKattouw_:  Now I must only mirror corresponding pages, such as Special:ListFiles, Special:NewFiles... I guess its all documented by various methods on that page (http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgForeignFileRepos).
23:34 < werdna> JucaBlues: you need to use POST, not GET
23:34 < wikibugs> (mod) Yahoo 'temporarily' blocking lists.wikimedia.org emails - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20507  (rjd0060.wiki)
23:34 < werdna> you're using GET.
23:35 < JucaBlues> is there a method in xmlhttprequest object to set the post data?
23:35 < brion-meeting> AaronSchulz: poke poke
23:35 < Splarka>   var req = sajax_init_object();
23:35 < Splarka>   req.open('POST', url, true);
23:35 < MacMed> is it possible to use testwiki without having commit access?
23:35 < MacMed> ie to test changes to SpecialBlockip and MessagesEn
23:35 < Reedy> "use"
23:35 < Reedy> Anyone can use it
23:35 < brion-meeting> there ya are :D
23:36 < Reedy> Nope
23:36 < MacMed> Reedy: but to change core files
23:36 < Reedy> Noooo
23:36 < MacMed> :(
23:36 < JucaBlues> Splarka: thansk
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23:37 < Splarka> JucaBlues: http://p.defau.lt/?3EpIv_OFittBXml39kbJrA  something from my notes
23:37 < ^demon> Wait, did I see sajax a few lines up?
23:37  * ^demon cries
23:37 < Splarka> heh
23:37 < Splarka> jQuery isn't universal yet
23:37 < ^demon> That doesn't mean we should *encourage* people to use sajax :p
23:37 < Splarka> JucaBlues: note that sajax is part of ajax.js in the mediawiki library
23:38 < ^demon> MacMed: Even if you have commit access it doesn't matter. Testwiki only gets updated when a shell user does it.
23:38 < Splarka> so you probably wanna extract what it does if you're making a plugin
23:38 < MacMed> damn
23:38 < MacMed> oh well, i can install it on a webhost i guess
23:38 < ^demon> Or on your local machine :)
23:38 -!- MacMed is now known as MM|afk
23:38 < MM|afk> w00t
23:38 < wikibugs> (NEW) Requesting a "NOFOLLOW" option - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20936 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: DynamicPageList; (wiki)
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23:40 < mikeschuld> MM|afk: you don't have multiple local installs of mw?!?!
23:40 < mikeschuld> :D
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23:41 < mikeschuld> whoa
23:42 < mikeschuld> who are the guys in black that just walked right in front of the presentation.... RUDE
23:42 < Splarka> MIB with Neuralizers?
23:42 -!- Wanderer [i=nomad@c-98-245-26-136.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #mediawiki
23:42 < ^demon> I wonder if I have the MIB song in iTunes
23:42  * ^demon looks
23:42 < mikeschuld> and then right after two people leave..
23:42 < Wanderer> Anyone have a good way to do something like openoffice.org -> wiki?  I have to deal with non-techies of an older nature who do not like to learn wiki-speak
23:42 < mikeschuld> "fancyass wiki page"
23:43 < mikeschuld> best quote evar
23:43 < mikeschuld> openoffice -> rtf -> wiki might work?
23:43 < ^demon> Ew no.
23:43 < Wanderer> found a plugin, but it's giving one of them problems
23:43 < mikeschuld> remove the problem user
23:43 < mikeschuld> ;)
23:44 < Wanderer> umm, ceo of the company
23:44 < mikeschuld> even better
23:44 < mikeschuld> wait..
23:44 < apergos> + for removal
23:44 < mikeschuld> they can't wiki
23:44 < mikeschuld> but they'll use openoffice?
23:44 < Wanderer> yeah
23:44 < mikeschuld> wow..
23:44 < Mike_lifeguard> OOo has mediawiki markup as an export format, though it isn't perfect.
23:44 < Wanderer> he's not clueless,  pretty good actually, but learning to do tables and such in wiki is taking him too long
23:44 < mikeschuld> ah
23:45 < Splarka> mediawiki supports html tables
23:45 < Wanderer> he's a retired cop... has earned some good respect from the IT ppl
23:45 < Wanderer> otherwise I'd tell him to stuff it :>
23:45 < Wanderer> he's also a really good guy, takes care of his ppl
23:45 < Splarka> CEO/Cop/Good Guy/Open Source Proponent... pick 2!
23:46 < Wanderer> no, he's actually for all of them
23:46 < Wanderer> hell, he put the company on Linux and Mac's.  No windows
23:47 < ^demon> Whee, svn up time.
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23:48 < exercicios> I think it's something wrong with the web host...
23:48 < wikibugs> (mod) OOM on getting metadata for some OGG files (metadata reading hits memory_limit) - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19476  (federicoleva)
23:49 < exercicios> http://pastebin.org/32126 this is what I see after installing mediawiki
23:49 < exercicios> nothing but ad
23:49 < cirwin> exercicios: get a new host?
23:50 < exercicios> host with broken, broken something broken?
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23:56 < CIA-12> nimishg * r57257 /trunk/extensions/UsabilityInitiative/ClickTracking/ (ApiSpecialClickTracking.php SpecialClickTracking.js): debug messages removed (!)
23:56 < CIA-12> siebrand * r57258 /trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/language/FlaggedRevs.i18n.php: Fix syntax error
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