--- Log opened Sat Oct 03 00:00:14 2009
00:00  * AryehGregor googles his name and finds "Bugs related to Aryeh Gregor" as one of the top hits . . . thanks, Launchpad
00:00 < Splarka> http://toolserver.org/~mzmcbride/cgi-bin/mw-logs.py?path=%23mediawiki&search=%3CBryan%3E.*tong  the math nerd is right
00:01 < ^demon> Splarka/AryehGregor: I'm pretty sure Bryan Baron isn't Bryan. Different e-mail and signed up back in Jan.
00:01 < AryehGregor> I wonder why he's closing bugs WONTFIX.
00:02 < ^demon> Good question.
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00:03 < Natalie> Splarka, zai: GlobalUsage (which would replace CheckUsage) is just awaiting code review.
00:03 < AryehGregor> Meh, WONTFIX is fairly reasonable, the suggestion is very fragile.
00:03  * AryehGregor leaves it
00:03 < ^demon> Splarka: Some of them seem ok.
00:03 < Splarka> Natalie: sure, so is LiquidThreads and SemanticMediaWiki
00:04 < Natalie> Well, Brion put it "on the list."
00:04 < Splarka> ^demon: math nerds you mean?
00:04 < zai> natalie: does that mean it might become a feature in mediawiki 1.16 ?
00:04 < Natalie> zai: It's an extension.
00:04 < Splarka> or br[iaoy]{2}ns
00:04 < zai> oh, I see
00:04 < Natalie> You can download it and run it, it just hasn't been reviewed by the WMF sysadmins for use on WMF wikis.
00:05 < Splarka> huh, didn't know it existed
00:05 < Platonides> I also have problems locating so much br[yi]ans
00:05 < ^demon> Hmm, not sure if one of these WONTFIXs is good though...
00:05 < Natalie> WONTFIX requires a lot of caution. It can be a slap in the face of the bug filer. And it's supposed to mean "never gonna happen ever, so stop asking."
00:05 < zai> Natalie: great, ty :-)
00:06 < Natalie> No problem.
00:06 < Splarka> heh
00:06 < Splarka> http://www.mycroc.com/browse.php?u=aHR0cHM6Ly9idWd6aWxsYS53aWtpbWVkaWEub3JnL3Nob3dfYWN0aXZpdHkuY2dpP2lkPTEzMjYw&b=61
00:07 < ^demon> Natalie: It also sometimes means "Can't be bothered," but of course we don't admit that publicly (oops!)
00:07 < Natalie> !
00:07 < Natalie> That's really what LATER is for. :P
00:07 < Natalie> Or just leave it open and ignore it (current widely used practice).
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00:07 < Splarka> wtf is this browser bar site for mediazilla.. >_<
00:08 < ^demon> Natalie: Yeah we should probably use LATER more than we do, but w/e.
00:08 < Natalie> Well, the problem with LATER is searchability.
00:08 < Natalie> I'm in favor of just keeping the bugs open if they're unresolved but resolvable.
00:09 < Natalie> That's why you have a bug tracker, after all. :P
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00:09 < JohnLocke> hi. is there a generic way to translate wikitags in mediawiki?
00:12 < ^demon> Ewww, bug 20967 badddd :)
00:12 < Natalie> !b 20967
00:12 < mwbot> https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20967
00:12 < Natalie> Yowza.
00:13 < Splarka> old news
00:13 < Splarka> you used to be able to create null titles, heh
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00:17 < CIA-12> demon * r57308 /trunk/phase3/maintenance/updaters.inc: bug 20953: mySQL missing rd_interwiki patch from updaters.inc
00:17 < wikibugs> (FIXED) Upgrade from 1.10 to 1.16 broke redirect table - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20953  +comment (innocentkiller)
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00:31 < jariep1_> hello
00:32 < jariep1_> I have a question about the 'Farmer' extension for MediaWiki
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00:32 < jariep1_> I need some help on installing it
00:32 < Natalie> Hello.
00:32  * Natalie pokes Emu.
00:32 < wikibugs> (NEW) PLURAL support needed in - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20968 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: LiquidThreads; (bugzilla.wikimedia)
00:33 < jariep1_> Hello, Natalie
00:33 < wikibugs> (mod) PLURAL support needed in JavaScripts - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20968  summary (bugzilla.wikimedia)
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00:33 < jariep1_> :) first person I see in this room
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00:36 < wikibugs> (mod) PLURAL support needed in JavaScripts - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20968  (bugzilla.wikimedia)
00:37 < wikibugs> (mod) PLURAL support needed in JavaScripts - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20968  (bugzilla.wikimedia)
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00:42 < CIA-12> siebrand * r57310 /trunk/extensions/ (83 files in 79 dirs): Localisation updates for extension messages from translatewiki.net (2009-10-02 21:48 UTC)
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00:44 < jariep1_> is there anybody that can explain how to setup Farmer Extension with Media Wiki, I have some Basic questions
00:46 < GreenReaper> jariep1_, you need to give more precise questions.
00:46 < wikibugs> (NEW) Make tag list page more useful - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20969 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: CodeReview; (innocentkiller)
00:46 < GreenReaper> "how to setup" is too vague. What have you tried to do that you cannot do? <g>
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00:47 < jariep1_> ok, I'm on the page, I see where it says to paste some code into LocalSettings.php
00:47 < jariep1_> i am on this page: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:IndyGreg/Farmer
00:49 < GreenReaper> OK, so . . . what is the problem? :-)
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00:50 < wikibugs> (mod) Insert Table: Cannot insert tables in IE - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20900  +comment (nkomura)
00:51 < jariep1_> ok GreenReaper
00:51 < jariep1_> give me a minute
00:51 < jariep1_> will tell you what my trouble was
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00:57 < jariep1_> ok GreenReaper, am back
00:57 < jariep1_> sorry about that
00:57 < lch> does one of Yaron Koren, Michael Dale or David Macdonald hang around here?
00:57 < GreenReaper> No rush. If I'm not around to answer, perhaps someone else will anyway.
00:58 < jariep1_> it says to add 3 lines to LocalSettings.php
00:59 < jariep1_> am trying to figue out how I configure
00:59 < GreenReaper> Right, but it also says "Farmer must be configured before it will work. Until it is configured, your wiki will be broken."
00:59 < jariep1_> ok
00:59 < GreenReaper> You need to add the $wgFarmerSettings in between the require_once and the $wgFarmer =
00:59 < jariep1_> ok
00:59 < jariep1_> where do I get a list of those?
00:59 < jariep1_> so I know what to type in
00:59 < GreenReaper> They are listed in the configuration section, below the sample code.
01:00 < jariep1_> oh ok
01:00  * Splarka pokles mdale
01:00 < GreenReaper> For example, if you wanted to store config information in a database, you would add $wgFarmerSettings['databaseName'] = 'something';
01:00 < mdale> hi
01:01 < Splarka> mdale^ lch
01:01 < mdale> lch whats up?
01:01 < jariep1_> ok
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01:04 < jariep1_> GreenReaper, How do I know which to add, or do I need to configure all of them?
01:04 < lch> ohh
01:04 < lch> mdale, I have an ExternalData related question
01:05 < mdale> sure
01:05 < GreenReaper> Well, you would have to examine the descriptions, and understand your own situation. Presumably the ones mentioned there to start with are fairly important.
01:05 < lch> I found this extension some days ago and it looks like the perfect solution for me, I've been looking for something exactly like that half a year to a year ago
01:05 < lch> and I used some other crude extension to query a SQL db instead
01:05 < lch> now I want to convert my Wiki templates from using that crude extension to ED
01:05 < GreenReaper> If you read the descriptions, it's likely that you'll need to set those, changing at least the admin username and password to whatever is appropriate for your wiki.
01:06 < lch> I need to use left joins, though, is that possible with ED?
01:06 < jariep1_> ok
01:07 < lch> here's what some template code of mine looks like: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/142585/
01:09 < lch> err, inner joins is what I need... unless I make sub-queries through other templates
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01:09 < lch> which is something that the crude SQL extension doesn't quite support
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01:10 < lch> it can't cache anything correctly, so you need to use inner joins or render all data completely before you can safely query new data
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01:16 < jariep1_> GreenReaper, I have a question about 'defaultWiki' Variable
01:16 < jariep1_> Is it for the database prefix
01:17 < jariep1_> table prefix, i mean
01:17 < GreenReaper> No, that is what dbTablePrefix is for.
01:17 < GreenReaper> defaultWiki is the wiki from which you control the other wikis.
01:17 < mdale> lch: I have not really used it for database queries... I mostly use external data for cross site api queries
01:18 < GreenReaper> actually, let me rephrase that
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01:18 < lch> mdale, ok
01:18 < jariep1_> I am trying to find examples for writing the variables in
01:18 < GreenReaper> It *is* a table prefix, but all wikis using the farmer extension will have a table prefix.
01:18 < GreenReaper> If you need them to have *another* table prefix, before the one for each wiki's name, you should use dbTablePrefix.
01:19 < jariep1_> ya i configured my wiki with 'mw_' table prefix
01:19 < jariep1_> for the database
01:20 < jariep1_> but not sure what to write in, it says the variable must be set
01:20 < jariep1_> I am a wrather newbie at all of this
01:20 < GreenReaper> Then you probably want to use 'mw_'
01:21 < jariep1_>  
01:21 < jariep1_> $wgFarmerSettings['defaultWiki'] = 'mw_';
01:21 < GreenReaper> Note however that with this configuration, other wikis in that database created by the farmer extension will have a different prefix.
01:21 < jariep1_> would that be correct to add?
01:21 < jariep1_> i think I made a mistake
01:21 < GreenReaper> Looks right to me, but I've not used Farmer. :-)
01:21 < GreenReaper> What happens if you try it?
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01:22 < jariep1_> ok
01:22 < jariep1_> hold on
01:22 < GreenReaper> Can't. I'm being called away by my ride home, but probably others can pick up from here.
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01:22 < jariep1_> ok
01:22 < jariep1_> thank you greenreaper
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01:30 < wikibugs> (mod) Fix bug in Revision deletion in Internet Explorer - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20966  (yonidebest)
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01:34 < CIA-12> siebrand * r57311 /trunk/extensions/Translate/scripts/groupStatistics.php: 
01:34 < CIA-12> Work in progress.
01:34 < CIA-12> * added a ranked list of 50 most spoken languages with speakers as reported by Ethnologue and Encarta (data from Wikipedia), and average number of speakers (in thousands)
01:34 < CIA-12> * added a array with named keys containing arrays with keys of message groups and values that represent the weight of the message groups
01:34 < CIA-12> * updated command line usage documentation
01:34 < CIA-12> TODO:
01:34 < CIA-12> * implement localisation scores
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01:44 < Splarka> mmm, a random flickr page loads 880k of external javascript and has 41 <script> calls.
01:44  * Splarka sets a goal for MediaWiki
01:44 < cirwin> we can include more javascript than that!
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01:51 < CIA-12> dale * r57312 /trunk/phase3/js2/mwEmbed/ (4 files in 2 dirs): 
01:51 < CIA-12> * updated local java applet from cortado svn ( supports theora 1.1 encodes )
01:51 < CIA-12> * some javaEmbed fixes
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01:57 < Natalie> So you think you're clever and you load Special:AllMessages with limit 5000. But guess what? There are over 5000 messages.
01:58 < cirwin> yeah
01:58 < cirwin> that reallly annoys me
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01:58 < cirwin> I have a solution though :)
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01:58 < cirwin> https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15802
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02:10 < CIA-12> siebrand * r57313 /trunk/extensions/Translate/scripts/groupStatistics.php: 
02:10 < CIA-12> * allow localised language names if I18n tags is installed
02:10 < CIA-12> * add documentation
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02:29 < wikibugs> (mod) Purge users who have never committed - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20949  +comment (brion)
02:30 < wikibugs> (mod) Enable RevisionDelete on Hungarian Wikipedia (hu.wikipedia) - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20947  (brion)
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02:34 < wikibugs> (mod) Please activate the AbuseFilter extension for es.wikibooks. - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20923  (brion)
02:34 < wikibugs> (mod) Enable RevisionDelete on Hungarian Wikipedia (hu.wikipedia) - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20947  +comment (public)
02:35 < wikibugs> (mod) deployment of edit toolbar causes absolutely infuriating cursor jump - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20922  (brion)
02:37 < wikibugs> (mod) Purge users who have never committed - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20949  (innocentkiller)
02:37 < Natalie> http://liquidthreads.labs.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?oldid=498&rcid=524  Hmm, that's annoying. You can't navigate to the thread.....
02:37  * Natalie adds that to his list.
02:38 < wikibugs> (WFM) Numbered list with shared placings? - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20921  +comment (brion)
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02:38 < ^demon> Not being able to protect pages is kinda a bad thing :-\
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02:39 < Natalie> ^demon: What do you mean?
02:40 < ^demon> Natalie: I fully protected a page on the lab wiki. I was able to start a new thread (while logged out) and reply.
02:40 < Natalie> Oh, I see it in the RC feed.
02:40 < Natalie> Yeah, WTF....
02:40 < Natalie> I'll add that to the list too. :-)
02:40 < Natalie> I should be filing bugs tonight.
02:40 < ^demon> There's already a bug about it.
02:40 < Natalie> Gotta check the current bugs filed and cross reference with my list on MW.org
02:40 < Natalie> K, then. :P
02:41 < ^demon> I think the ideal goal is being able to protect individual threads, but at least full-page protection is a must.
02:41 < Natalie> Protecting individual threads won't stop people from just creating new threads... :P
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02:42 < ^demon> Of course not.
02:43 < Natalie> I wonder how nicely {{#UseLiquidThreads:1}} degrades if you remove it.
02:43 < ^demon> But that would be disruptive just like on a current noticeboard :)
02:43 < Natalie> Hmm, adding a reply still has a Summary: input.
02:43 < Natalie> That seems silly.
02:44 < Natalie> This still needs a lot of work. :-/
02:44 < cirwin> you could always leave it blank
02:44 < cirwin> (unless you wanted adminship, I suppose ;p)
02:44 < Natalie> Leaving it blank causes me physical pain.
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02:44 < Natalie> Ughhhhh. Preview sucks...
02:44 < wikibugs> (mod) PLURAL support needed in JavaScripts - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20968  (siebrand)
02:44 < wikibugs> (mod) mwEmbed should support PLURAL just as MediaWiki core does - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20962  (siebrand)
02:45 < Natalie> It doesn't preview like it would be a reply. And I have no idea if I'm supposed to sign.
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02:48 < ^demon> Natalie: No you shouldn't sign.
02:49 < Natalie> Yeah, I'll look at this closely later. Still needs major UI work, in my opinion.
02:49 < CIA-12> siebrand * r57319 /trunk/extensions/WikiAtHome/ (WikiAtHome.i18n.php WikiAtHome.js): Phrase message less technical.
02:52 < wikibugs> (mod) Purge users who have never committed - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20949  (p858snake)
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02:56 < wikibugs> (mod) rollback of page blanking does not restore pagelinks - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17154  +comment (mrzmanwiki)
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03:07 < JohnLocke> is there an extension for creating a la wikipedia's sandbox functionality? i.e. a page that automatically gets deleted every x hours?
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03:29 < thiagocrepaldi> hello, does anyone know how to HIDE specific "User profile" informations on "my preferences" ?
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03:36 < p858snake|3> JohnLocke: i believe a bot does that on la.wikipedia
03:40 < JohnLocke> p858snake|3: aha! are bots downloadable as well?
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03:48 < p858snake|3> !pywikipedia | JohnLocke
03:48 < mwbot> JohnLocke: pywikipediabot is a bot framework written in Python that allows for easier automated actions on a wiki. For more information, see <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Using_the_python_wikipediabot>.
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04:02 < hippietrail> has anyone made a tool to show my recent contributions which have since changed by at least one non bot contributor?
04:03  * Splarka blinkies
04:03 < Splarka> so, it would check the recent changes table for all your contributions
04:03 < hippietrail> i only use a watchlist for my "pet" articles
04:03 < Splarka> and check any edits on top of those that were not bots?
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04:04 < Splarka> well
04:04 < hippietrail> i use my contributions to monitor my recent edits
04:04 < Splarka> you could make a [[User:yourname/pets]]
04:04 < Splarka> and [[Special:Recentchangeslinked/User:yourname/pets]] would be the watchlist for that
04:04 < Splarka> then you could use your watchlist for what you ask
04:04 < hippietrail> nah too unweildy. i like the siingle click of watchlist and my contribs
04:05 < Splarka> addPortletLink('p-personal','/wiki/Special:Recentchangeslinked/User:yourname/pets','pets!')
04:05 < hippietrail> then i would need a new button "add to pets"
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04:06 < hippietrail> and watchlist would grow infinitely whereas my contribs only looks at the recent n edits
04:07 < hippietrail> at the moment i have a js addon to filter my contribs of anything that's changed since my edit. but since i made it it's become more and more common that a bot or two edits every article after me becase they monitor recent changes
04:08 < hippietrail> this i do just by scraping the dom. but to filter the bot edits would require i think a bunch of api calls
04:10 < Splarka> heh yah
04:10 < Splarka> too bad, Special:Watchlist lets you filter for bots...
04:10  * Splarka prods
04:10 < Splarka> hey hippietrail, there is an alternative
04:10 < CIA-12> dale * r57320 /trunk/phase3/js2/mwEmbed/ (5 files in 4 dirs): 
04:10 < CIA-12> * re-factored language code into global $mw with function alias scope
04:10 < CIA-12> * updated playlist and sequence to work with ctrlBuilder / new skin updates
04:10 < Splarka> you can now do unlogged-in watchlist feeds
04:10 < Splarka> so you could set up a second account and access the watchlist from it
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04:11 < hippietrail> hmm sounds sneaky
04:11 < Splarka> just not as easy to add/remove from the watchlist
04:11 < Splarka> but... you could do it externally I suppose
04:11 < hippietrail> what about adding a bot switch to recent contribs to match recent changes and watchlist?
04:11 < Splarka> won't work
04:11 < hippietrail> why not?
04:11 < DanielTahar> how do i change the name of the "upload file" page?
04:11 < Splarka> Special:Contributions uses the revision table, not the recent changes table
04:12 < Splarka> and bot flags aren't stored in the revision table
04:12 < hippietrail> i seem to recall fierce oppositions to matching features between recent changes and watchlist until the devs finally came around
04:12 < Splarka> hippietrail: won't make it retroactive, and would require schema change
04:12 < hippietrail> ick
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04:13 < Splarka> DanielTahar: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgUploadNavigationUrl  if you wanna change where it links to
04:13 < Splarka> troll through http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesEn.php?view=co&content-type=text%2Fplain if you just wanna change some text (or Special:Allmessages)
04:13 < Splarka> but anyway
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04:13 < hippietrail> if there was an api call that could return recent editors of each in a list of page titles that would work - but i think i have to call one by one
04:13 < Splarka> both the watchlist and recent changes use the recent changes table
04:13 < Splarka> so they can filter for bot edits
04:14 < Splarka> hmm
04:14 < DanielTahar> Splarka, well the thing is this; i'm usimg semantic forms and semantic mediawiki, and when i have a field which is uploadable i believe it takes the name from that place
04:14 < Splarka> dunno from semantic, sorry
04:14 < hippietrail> i could also do it by name because there's only 2 bots i need to filter out. but that doesn't sound like a feature for core
04:16 < Splarka> heh
04:16 < Splarka> well, file a bug
04:16 < Natalie> Hmmmm, 'nother LQT bug.
04:16 < Natalie> Rage.
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04:16 < hippietrail> i'll familiarize myself with the current options
04:16 < Splarka> hippietrail: actually that sounds like a good toolserver tool
04:17 < Splarka> it could use the recent changes table.. "show me edits of all pages I've edited" with bot/minor/anon/loggedin filters
04:17 < hippietrail> is there a page to suggest new toolserver tools? (-:
04:17 < Splarka> #wikimedia-toolserver
04:18 < Splarka> will tell ya
04:18 < DanielTahar> Splarka, what if i want to change the text -- leave the same link, but change it from "upload file" to "upload a file" or so?
04:18 < hippietrail> you could even filter in or out specific editors - though that might promote war editing...
04:18 < hippietrail> that place is always dead d-;
04:18 < Splarka> DanielTahar: find the text you wanna change in http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesEn.php?view=co&content-type=text%2Fplain
04:18 < Splarka> 'upload'                      => 'Upload file',
04:18 < Splarka> 'uploadbtn'                   => 'Upload file',
04:18 < Splarka> and edit MediaWiki:Upload
04:18 < Splarka> sometimes it is guesswork, heh
04:19 < DanielTahar> great exactly what i was looking for thanks
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04:52 < hippietrail> ahh i can get one revision of many pages or many revions of one page but not both
04:55 < Splarka> annoying eh
04:57 < hippietrail> hmm can i request only the usercontribs without "top"? probably not want i really want...
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05:08 < hippietrail> and query/revisions doesn't tell you whether a user was a bot. but that's because only recent changes knows that right?
05:08 < hippietrail> maybe i could just cross check recent changes against my countribs
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05:11 < MacMed> hippietrail: are you trying to exclude bots?
05:11 < Splarka> correct, and even if the user currently has a bot flag, that doesn't mean the edit in question was +bot
05:12 < Splarka> (easy to choose that in the api now)
05:12 < Splarka> which is why it would probably be easier to search the RC table for your name, and then cross-reference that with the titles
05:12 < hippietrail> yeah for my case easier to filter by known bot names
05:12 < Splarka> (but not in the api)
05:12 < hippietrail> not in the api?
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05:16 < Splarka> I mean, cross referencing the entire RC table => not in the api!
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05:18 < hippietrail> on ts i could do it with db queries too i suppose
05:21 < hippietrail> hmm recentchanges grows at a much faster rate than my recent contribs
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05:24 < Splarka> I mean on TS, yes
05:24 < Splarka> there is no efficient way to do what you want with the api, really, except as crudely as you scrape
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05:35 < Natalie> excludeuser doesn't support multiple names?
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05:43 < MacMed> i'm having trouble designing an extension
05:45 < MacMed> i'm getting a fatal error trying to load special pages after including the require_once
05:45 < MacMed> Cannot redeclare class MostPopular in /www/zzl.org/w/i/k/wikitools/htdocs/TestWiki/extensions/SpecialMostPopular/SpecialMostPopular_body.php on line 182
05:46 < MacMed> anyone have any ideas?
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05:56 < MacMed> memo me if anyone knows the problem
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06:38 < Emufarmers> http://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Manual:Preventing_access&curid=13681&diff=278809&oldid=278808&rcid=311824 Heh
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06:55 < Baffeled> Is there any one here who can lend me a hand?
06:55 < MaxSem> !ask
06:55 < MaxSem> eh, mwbot?
06:55 < MaxSem> Baffeled, just ask
06:56 < Baffeled> can't seem to be able to creat "portal" pages 
06:57 < Baffeled> and is there a repository for simple templates that a n00b can use?
06:58 < Baffeled> Using the latest download of mediawiki on a remote server
06:59 < MaxSem> and... how exactly you can't create them?
06:59 < MaxSem> have you added that namespace?
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07:00 < Baffeled> 'portal:name' in seach/go, hitting go.  When page saved, tab does not change to 'portal'
07:00 < Splarka> they're just pages of wikicode, [edit] ([view source]) is your friend, as well as "Templates used", and MediaWiki:Common.css and MediaWIki:(skinname).css
07:01 < Splarka> that tab change is just a custom namespace and custom label
07:01 < MaxSem> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgExtraNamespaces
07:01 < Splarka> there's nothing particulary special about portals
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07:10 < Baffeled> OK,  so they are just 'another' wikicode page...
07:10 < Baffeled> does the tab change occur because of code or is the syntax similar to <category:name>
07:10 < Baffeled> And I need to have the server tech rerun install to create $wgExtraNamespaces:portal ??
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07:13 < Splarka> you need access to LocalSettings.php to add namespaces
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07:13 < Splarka> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Nstab-portal
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07:13 < Splarka> nstab = name space tab
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08:44 < wikibugs> (mod) Enable RevisionDelete on Hungarian Wikipedia (hu.wikipedia) - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20947  (gtisza)
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11:21 < XimDev> hello all
11:21 < XimDev> i need help moving media wiki across server
11:22 < XimDev> i have physical access to the machines
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11:23 < XimDev> ok i found the page in my favs
11:23 < XimDev> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Moving_a_wiki
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11:30 < MarkusK_> Hi, I have made some concerning observations regarding memory usage of MediaWiki's page generation ("preview").
11:30 < MarkusK_> I have a page that consists of two parts
11:30 < MarkusK_> each of them can be rendered by MediaWiki with a memory limit of 4M
11:31 < MarkusK_> but if I have both of them on one page, I need at least 54M to get a result
11:31 < MarkusK_> is anyone aware of open bugs/known issues regarding such behaviour?
11:32 < MarkusK_> (one of the parts is a {{#parser function}} which produces one line of output; the other part is a 51K long text that does not contain parser functions or templates)
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11:58 < CIA-81> huji * r57322 /trunk/extensions/Translate/TranslateEditAddons.php: (bug 20778) Call-time pass-by-reference has been deprecated; the functions declaration is by reference, so just like the second parameter on the call-time, the first parameter can be passed by value.
11:58 < wikibugs> (FIXED) Call-time pass-by-reference has been deprecated but is used in Translate - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20778  +comment (huji.huji)
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12:14 < wikibugs> (NEW) GoogleMaps tries to add icon to toolbar, without checking it exist - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20970 minor; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: GoogleMaps; (c.stafford)
12:24 < CIA-81> huji * r57323 /trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesEn.php: Localisation updates: All instances of "Project:" and "Template:" are changed to "{{ns:project}}:" and "{{ns:template}}:"
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12:31 < XimDev> does one one know who do i get the user 0:0:0:0:0:0:0:1 and how to remove that?
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12:37 < lch> hi, I used to be able to display subpages limited to a specific prefix with Special:PrefixIndex in MW 1.14, but now with 1.15 it displays the following pages which do NOT have the same prefix as well, as long as the display limit isn't reached - how can I limit the results to ONLY pages that contain the prefix that I asked for?
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12:39 < lch_> hmm, on Wikipedia it's working correctly
12:40 < wikibugs> (NEW) Upload new versions of files - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20971 normal; Normal; MediaWiki Feature Request: Feature_Request; (mattia_agostini)
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12:42 < Splarka> lch: http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/includes/specials/SpecialPrefixindex.php
12:42 < lch_> yep
12:42 < lch_> fixed in march
12:42 < Splarka> you could apply that patch probably
12:43 < lch_> yeah
12:43 < Splarka> 1.15 was branched in r50060
12:43 < Splarka> hmm, so 48854 shoulda gotten into yours
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12:47 < lch_> hmm, it doesn't work when I only replace that file
12:47 < lch_> strange
12:48 < lch_> when is 1.16 due?
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12:55 < lch_> replaced Xml.php and XmlFunctions.php as well, now it works
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13:09 < Sagaci> lch_: in like a month or two, I think someone said
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13:09 < lch_> ah
13:11 < Splarka> I heard 4th quarter 2017
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13:15 < MarkusK_> Hi. Where could I find some documentation on how to interpret profileonfo.php? Especially the memory figures are not clear to me.
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13:17 < MarkusK_> (Or maybe there is a better way of doing memory profiling? I could not convince xdebug to produce any stats about memory usage.)
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13:42 < wikibugs> (NEW) Calendar needs l10n - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20972 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: SemanticResultFormats; (mail)
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14:10 < Holek> hey, guys
14:10 < Holek> is there a fast way to determine on how many pages given template is included?
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14:10 < Holek> SELECT COUNT(t.tl_from) from templatelinks AS t, page as p where t.tl_title = "Lista_utwor'ow" AND p.page_id = t.tl_from AND page_namespace = 0; is a very slow query
14:10 < Holek> it takes about 2 minutes
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14:13 < hippietrail> hmm maybe they're all asleep here too
14:14 < Holek> ;)
14:14 < hippietrail> there's always the mailing lists for such timezone mismatches
14:14 < Holek> after all, it's just morning in the US :P
14:15 < Holek> well, it's not that problematic
14:15 < Holek> I was just thinking about creating a tool on the toolserver
14:15 < hippietrail> ive had trouble with slow joins too but sql is like chinese to me
14:15 < Holek> but since the queries are so long, i'll just stick to manual queries from time to time
14:17 < hippietrail> is it ON that you can use for JOINs instead of WHERE ?
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14:17 < Holek> yep
14:17 < hippietrail> or maybe COUNT(*) but i'm totally groping in the dark
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14:22 < p858snake|3> Holek: right side bar, there is a option along the linesof "What links here"
14:22 < p858snake|3> also i believe the api can handle it
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14:25 < Holek> p858snake|3: no, Whatlinkshere doesn't show HOW MANY pages are linking
14:26 < hippietrail> maybe look at the source of whatlinkshere
14:28 < LauraHale> Look at WantedPages?
14:28 < LauraHale> Or There is a special  page that shows what are the most linked to articles
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14:29 < Holek> yes, that too
14:29 < Holek> but I want a specific template to be shown
14:29 < Holek> which is not on the most linked list
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14:30 < DeSian> hi
14:31 < hippietrail> http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/includes/specials/SpecialWhatlinkshere.php?view=markup
14:32 < DeSian> i want to redirect this link /wiki/new_article to /wiki/New_Article without create page new_article and put the redirection code? i use wiki 1.15.1 if that possible?
14:34 < hippietrail> DeSian: not without customization
14:34 < hippietrail> you could find the code that uppercases the first letter and alter it to uppercase the first letter of each word
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14:35 < DeSian> with redirection is good but if you go to Special:allpages display the redricted page also. i will hide the redirected page in AllPages
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14:41 < wikibugs> (mod) Upload new versions of files - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20971  (mattia_agostini)
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15:03 < CIA-81> mkroetzsch * r57324 /trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/languages/SMW_LanguageHe.php: updated Hebrew strings (Bug 20886)
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15:07 < wikibugs> (mod) Semantic MediaWiki Hebrew language file is incomplete - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20886  (markus)
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15:24 < wikibugs> (NEW) Additional transwiki import sources on Incubator - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20973 enhancement; Normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (mfwarburg)
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15:37 < Happy-melon> what's the intended use of the "by email" button on CreateAccount?
15:37 < Happy-melon> should it set the main password to null or not?
15:38 < cirwin> an existing user can create an account for a user where anons are not allowed to sign up
15:39 < Happy-melon> uhuh; so the password they set shouldn't work?
15:39 < cirwin> in theory it shouldn't ask them to set a password
15:39 < cirwin> so the actual behaviour doesn't matter too much
15:39 < Happy-melon> well it does
15:40 < Happy-melon> it's the same form, just different button
15:40 < Happy-melon> ^a different button
15:40 < cirwin> I know, perhaps "by email" should be a link to a different form without the password fields
15:40 < cirwin> the expectation is that the account gets the password that you set, but whether that is useful behaviour I'm not sure
15:41 < Happy-melon> what happens is that the main password is set to the input password, and then a temporary password is *also* generated and sent by email
15:41 < Happy-melon> when they log in with the temporary password, it prompts them to reset the main one
15:41 < cirwin> heh
15:41 < cirwin> that's a bit convoluted
15:43 < Happy-melon> makes sense; it's the same process when they click on the "email me a new password" button on UserLogin
15:43 < Happy-melon> so if people are doing it for annoyance, the old password still works
15:43 < Happy-melon> but here I'm not sure if the 'old' password *should* work
15:44 < cirwin> no, it probably shouldn't
15:44 < cirwin> though it may in some circumtances be useful to log into a newly created account and do some setup
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15:55 < CIA-81> happy-melon * r57325 /branches/happy-melon/phase3/includes/Login.php: Tweaks: set password to null when creating by email, and fix logic on the email field validation
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16:07 < hippietrail> what url do i use to view a page by revision id or page id ?
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16:14 < CIA-81> happy-melon * r57326 /branches/happy-melon/phase3/includes/specials/SpecialCreateAccount.php: Fix errors in SpecialCreateAccount encountered when creating accounts by email.
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16:17 < CIA-81> happy-melon * r57327 /branches/happy-melon/phase3/includes/specials/SpecialResetpass.php: Add form validity checks to SpecialResetPass
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16:41 < CIA-81> siebrand * r57328 /trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesEn.php: Revert r57323: they are used in Title::newFromText() which does not parse those kind of things.
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17:20 < zai> Q: is there a way to purge the cache of the whole wiki? (rather than just one page) (got server ssh access...)
17:22 < wikibugs> (NEW) index to access other pages does not redirect - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20974 major; Normal; MediaWiki: Redirects; (ursula)
17:22 < zai> to explain the prob: I made changes to MediaWiki:Sidebar but they aren't "live". the sidebar looks like before. except for some pages
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17:32 < |P-S|Player140> hi
17:32 < |P-S|Player140> waht do you think, how high can be the values of $wgStringFunctionsLimitSearch and $wgStringFunctionsLimitReplace withouth the danger of DOS attacks??
17:32 < |P-S|Player140> I am talking about String Functions extension variables: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:StringFunctions#.24wgStringFunctionsLimitSearch
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17:46 < zai> additional question: how to change the "in other languages" text in the languages table in the sidebar? I'd like to make it "in other projects"
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17:47 < Nikerabbit> zai: mediawiki:otherlanguages edit
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17:48 < zai> Nikerabbit: ah thx! :-) 
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17:49 < wikibugs> (NEW) IP was blocked, but no block was found - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20975 normal; Normal; MediaWiki: Blocking; (euku)
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17:58 < Happy-melon> what's the function to dump the php config?
17:59 < werdna> phpinfo()
17:59 < Happy-melon> ta
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18:04 < Happy-melon> hmm... how can I get the user/group the script is running as?
18:05 < Happy-melon> is it the one listed in the "apache2handler" section?
18:06 < werdna> http://uk3.php.net/manual/en/function.getmyuid.php
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18:07 < Happy-melon> thanks
18:09 < Amgine> Werdna: I've been asked to look at the Wikinews/Google news issue and build a tool to create the Google News sitemap output.
18:09 < werdna> O RLY
18:09 < Amgine> <nods> Strictly as an outside idea to solve it.
18:09 < Amgine> (by wikinewsies)
18:10 < Amgine> If I do it, do you think it has a prayer of being used?
18:10 < Amgine> Or would it just be a waste of my time?
18:11 < werdna> I don't know what issue you're talking about, nor anything at all about the sitemap
18:12 < Amgine> it's xml output. let me get the url...
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18:14 < Amgine> http://www.google.com/support/news_pub/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=74288
18:16 < Amgine> https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20818
18:16 < Happy-melon> werdna: totally random thought, does LiquidThreads play nicely with the AbuseFilter?
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18:19 < werdna> Happy-melon: define "play nicely"
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18:19 < Happy-melon> when a user replies to a post, does AF consider the edit to be being applied to the original talk page, or somewhere in the Thread: namespace, for instance??
18:20 < werdna> Thread namespace, because that's where the edit is.
18:20 < Happy-melon> and ditto for summarisations I suppose
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18:21 < Happy-melon> could screw up throttles...
18:22 < werdna> that isn't something that will change, except that we might add more parameters to LiquidThreads-related posts.
18:23 < Happy-melon> you mean AF variables?
18:23 < Happy-melon> that would be nice
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18:56 < siebrand> Will all the 'pass by reference' hooks in extensions give warnings about it being deprecated in 5.3? Haven't tested yet... http://us2.php.net/manual/en/language.references.pass.php
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18:57 < siebrand> There are hundreds, if not over a thousand of those in svn.
19:00 < siebrand> ./var/www/w/extensions$ grep -r '\&\$' * |grep -v svn |grep function gives me 2127 results.
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19:03 < MarkusK_> Does Wikitech-l reject emails without notice if sent by a non-subscriber? I posted an email today but I cannot see it on the list yet.
19:04 < Happy-melon> hmm, when I use the upload interface to upload files, the files and directories are owned by root, even though get_current_user() returns not-root
19:04 < Happy-melon> is that a problem with MW or with the server config?
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19:16 < CIA-81> vyznev * r57329 /trunk/extensions/AbuseFilter/AbuseFilter.hooks.php: fix really stupid mistake in r53606 :(
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19:19 < Yivo> May I ask
19:19 < Yivo> When will 1.16 be released?
19:19 < Yivo> And if I download the alpha version from svn
19:19 < Yivo> Will it be glitched
19:20 < Yivo> O_O
19:20 < MaxSem> it will be released - eventually
19:20 < Yivo> ah
19:21 < Yivo> patience is a virtue
19:21 < MaxSem> that's the most accurate date known
19:21 < MaxSem> do you need something specific from 1.16?
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19:22 < Yivo> No
19:22 < Yivo> just want it
19:22 < Yivo> :D
19:22 < Yivo> eager beavre
19:23 < hanmac> hello @ all
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19:24 < Yivo> Are bots allowed here?
19:24 < Natalie> Not really.
19:24 < Yivo> ok
19:24 < Yivo> Bye
19:24 < Yivo> :D
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19:25 < Natalie> mwbot, wikibugs, and CIA are the primary bots in here. I can't imagine any others being needed.
19:25 < Natalie> And mwbot has gone msising.
19:25 < Natalie> Missing
19:25 < CIA-81> siebrand * r57330 /trunk/extensions/Translate/scripts/groupStatistics.php: All suppression of #languagename
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19:32 < Platonides> anyone familiar with Extension:Collection? 
19:32 < Platonides> For how long are collection_id links valid?
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19:38 < CIA-81> aaron * r57331 /trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/specialpages/Stabilization_body.php: Reason field handling fixes
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19:40 < hanmac> i have a problem with the lang hack ... what must in the link to show a site in a specific lang?
19:40 < siebrand> No one with feedback on the possible 'pass by reference' issues in MediaWiki?
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19:44 < hanmac> &lang=de does not work ... what must it be?
19:44 < Kuraiko> &uselang=
19:47 < hanmac> thx ... thats what i needed ... (so the /lang site does not link to the /xyz size, it shows the pagename in the right lang)
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20:31 < Robert_Skyhawk> Is there a way to obtain a raw list of what links to a page (basically Special:WhatLinksHere in a .txt or equivalent)? I'm dealing with a template that is transcluded on about 160,000 pages and Wikipedia's WhatLinksHere will only show 5,000 at a time. See http://tinyurl.com/yfxd3yf for specific info on what I'm trying to do.
20:32 < CIA-81> siebrand * r57339 /trunk/extensions/Translate/scripts/groupStatistics.php: Testing helps. Works better now.
20:32 < wikibugs> (INVALID) index to access other pages does not redirect - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20974  +comment (alex.emsenhuber)
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20:34 < maurizio1230> How can I build a MULTILANGAUGE mediawiki like the one used by mediawiki.org?
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20:35 < Platonides> Robert_Skyhawk, you can use the api to ask
20:35 < Platonides> but there are always limits
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20:35 < Platonides> they are put in place to avoid someone burning the servers ;)
20:36 < Robert_Skyhawk> platonides: yes, we wouldn't want that, now would we?
20:36 < Platonides> you can ask a toolserver user for a full list, though
20:36 < Robert_Skyhawk> do you have a specific toolserver in mind or shall i go hunting?
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20:39 < Platonides> https://wiki.toolserver.org/view/Query_service
20:39 < Robert_Skyhawk> platonides: thanks much
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20:56 < Platonides> Robert_Skyhawk, you can use http://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&generator=backlinks&gbltitle=Template:WPBiography&prop=revisions&rvprop=content to search for that regex
20:57 < Nikerabbit> I hate php
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20:57 < Nikerabbit> there isn't function for doing the reverse of array_combine?
20:58 < Platonides> what's its reverse?
20:58 < Platonides> using two sets of keys to create the array?
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21:01 < _lch_> Nikerabbit, array_ keys and array_ values?
21:02 < _lch_> would you want to get an array with two elements, one being the array of keys and values?
21:02 < Nikerabbit> yeah I'm spoiled by python
21:03 < _lch_> I wouldn't mind if you redo MediaWiki in Python :)
21:04  * cirwin four
21:04 < Nikerabbit> Platonides: list( $keys, $values ) = i_hate_php( $arra );
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21:06 < Platonides> I think you'd need to use array_keys and array_values separatedly
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22:32 < ezyang> Hey all, I'd like to scrape a MediaWiki page and check if it's running properly.  What should I be looking for in the HTML? 
22:32 < ezyang> The MediaWiki may be using a different skin 
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22:34 < ezyang> I've thought up of a bunch of things, but none of them terribly convincing. Anyone have any ideas? 
22:35 < Reedy> Visaully look at it? :P
22:36 < ezyang> Haha, I would, except we're talking about a thousand MediaWikis 
22:36 < MaxSem> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Statistics?action=raw http://www.mediawiki.org/w/api.php?action=query&meta=siteinfo
22:37 < ezyang> Hmm, those don't work if they've turned off the api or access to special pages 
22:37 < ezyang> Something on the Main Page would be best 
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22:39 < siebrand> ezyang: something like <!-- Served in 0.205 secs. --> ?
22:39 < ezyang> Hm, as long as the error page doesn't have that! 
22:39 < ezyang> that might work well 
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22:39 < siebrand> ezyang: hmm, dunno.
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22:40 < MaxSem> i'm afraid that if you need the reliability that will overcome disabled special pages or api, there will be too many ways to screw html for you to take them all into account
22:41 < ezyang> Yeah, this makes me sad :-( 
22:41 < ezyang> Maybe I should do multiple checks and OR them? 
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22:42 < MaxSem> why so serious? if you need stats for thousands  of wikis, youve gotta understand that statistics always lie
22:43 < Splarka> could pokle mutante
22:43 < Splarka> he runs s23.org wikistats
22:43 < ezyang> AxSem: It's true! 
22:43 < ezyang> *MaxSem 
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22:44 < ezyang> What I'm actually trying to do is perform mass-upgrades on all of these wikis 
22:44 < ezyang> and so if they were broken to begin with, I shouldn't try 
22:44 < ezyang> And if they were broken by the upgrade, they should be rolled back 
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22:45 < CIA-81> raymond * r57344 /trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/ (2 files in 2 dirs): 
22:45 < CIA-81> Follow-up r57331: Use colon-separator and commaList consistently
22:45 < CIA-81> * Add colon to 2 label messages for consistency
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23:10 < rum> hey all i alawys have good luck asking questions here
23:10 < rum> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_%28technical%29#Move_text_up_in_collapsible_template
23:11 < rum> is it possible to seperate out the title of a template?
23:11 < rum> a collapsible template?
23:11 < rum> into three sections
23:11 < rum> that is what the link asks.
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23:15 < rum> dammnit splarka is gone, he usually answers my question
23:16 < Platonides> rum, see my reply
23:16 < Platonides> argh, edit conflict
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23:26 < rum> oh are you izno
23:26 < rum> thanks man
23:26 < rum> you deserve that barnstar
23:26 < rum> have a great day :)
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23:27 < JohnLocke> hello folks
23:27 < JohnLocke> i'm moving a wiki from server x to server y
23:28  * Mike_lifeguard listens in
23:28 < Mike_lifeguard> I'm doing the same
23:28 < JohnLocke> i have few users who didn't contribute anything yet. just registered. i want to import their relevant data from the db into the new server
23:29 < JohnLocke> shall i only import from the user table or are there other user-related data i should look for?
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23:30 < JohnLocke> Mike_lifeguard: what are you trying to do?
23:31 < Mike_lifeguard> meh, I'll just be moving my wiki wholesale to a new machine
23:31  * Mike_lifeguard is still installing the OS, so has plenty of time to do research
23:32 < JohnLocke> Mike_lifeguard: a good starting point: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Moving_a_wiki
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23:37 < JohnLocke> unfortunately support on this channel almost non-existent 
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23:40 < Platonides> JohnLocke ?
23:40 < wikibugs> (mod) urls of the form wiki/article?curid=something should be indexable by robots on wikinews - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20818  +comment (Platonides)
23:41 < CIA-81> siebrand * r57346 /trunk/phase3/ (19 files in 2 dirs): Localisation updates for core messages from translatewiki.net (2009-10-03 21:35 UTC)
23:41 < JohnLocke> i've been logging in here for several days and most of the time no one responds to my questions
23:41 < Platonides> JohnLocke, if you copy the database, you don't need to import anything else about users
23:42  * Platonides thought that the reference to Manual:Moving_a_wiki was given to you
23:42 < wikibugs> (NEW) Refinement of 'searchmenu-new' message - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20976 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: Search; (matthew.britton)
23:42 < JohnLocke> if newbies questions don't fit in here, i think there should be another room where novices are more welcomed
23:43 < JohnLocke> Platonides: it's a bit complicated.. i don't want to import the whole databse
23:44 < CIA-81> siebrand * r57347 /trunk/extensions/ (43 files in 37 dirs): Localisation updates for extension messages from translatewiki.net (2009-10-03 21:35 UTC)
23:45 < Platonides> all user data would be on user, user_groups and user_properties tables
23:46 < Platonides> and user_newtalk if you want to keep "you have new messages" notifications
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23:47 < JohnLocke> Platonides: thanks. to explain. i have several users changing their names to different names. i did that thru Extension:Renameuser. now i don't want to install the extension on the new wiki, and don't want the references to changing their names either
23:48 < wikibugs> (FIXED) Flickr2commons has stopped working since the upload bug a week ago - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20815  +comment (magnus.manske)
23:48 < JohnLocke> Platonides: so i just want to import their user data, provided that they didn't contribute anything to the wiki
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23:51 < wikibugs> (mod) Additional transwiki import sources on Incubator - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20973  (brion)
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23:55 < wikibugs> (mod) Upload new versions of files with different file type - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20971  summary; +comment (brion)
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