to the header of my wiki? 11:03 < freakolowsky> hardcore: skin files would be a place to start IMHO 11:04 < hardcore> i want to add a blue and a gray header like this: http://wiki.developers.facebook.com/index.php/Main_Page 11:04 < hardcore> freakolowsky: i searched in the skin files but i just can find php code and no divs :( 11:04 < p858snake_> !skin 11:04 < mwbot> Overview: . Skin usage: . Gallery of CSS styles: . Writing your own: 11:05 < hardcore> oh thanks 11:06 -!- ans-tot1222 [n=sysadmin@118.174.44.163.adsl.dynamic.totbb.net] has joined #mediawiki 11:07 < hardcore> damn i found it i was stupid and sleeping 11:08 < freakolowsky> brb ... lunch 11:08 -!- fenzik [n=fenzik@124.124.55.195] has joined #mediawiki 11:11 < madsj> RoanKattouw: almost there, but it still complains a bit, http://www.gbar.dtu.dk/wiki/Main_Page 11:12 * domas removes the 'grouch' part 11:12 < domas> http://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Developers&action=historysubmit&diff=282768&oldid=281782 11:12 < domas> here 11:12 < RoanKattouw> What's line 161 of that file? 11:13 < madsj> $ttenpages = $wgParser->parse("",$wgTitle,new ParserOptions()); 11:14 < wikibugs> (mod) Error by uploading images: detectScript() returns false positives - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21249 (emmanuel) 11:14 < RoanKattouw> madsj: Ah yes, it outputs a ParserOutput object, not a string 11:14 -!- mrsomeone [n=some1@219-90-214-183.ip.adam.com.au] has joined #mediawiki 11:15 < RoanKattouw> So you need to do $ttenpages->getText(); , that's a string 11:16 < domas> freakolowsky: the page I showed you is not about filecache 11:16 < domas> meh 11:16 < hardcore> now i has added a div to the top BUT i just can see it on some pages not in the mainpage etc. 11:16 < domas> I need food too, then?!!? 11:17 -!- Stummi [i=Stummi@doppeldenk.org] has left #mediawiki ["Verlassend"] 11:17 < hardcore> i added the div to: MonoBook.php 11:18 < madsj> RoanKattouw: Thanks a lot :-) Now I only have to work a bit with the html and css to make it look nice :D 11:24 -!- simonrvn [i=simon@unaffiliated/simonrvn] has joined #mediawiki 11:25 < domas> heh 11:25 < domas> 11:25 < domas> if ( $this->hasOption('override') && $wgDisableQueryPageUpdate && in_array( $special, $wgDisableQueryPageUpdate ) ) { 11:25 < domas> $this->output( sprintf( "%-30s disabled\n", $special ) ); 11:25 < domas> continue; 11:25 < domas> } 11:25 < domas> riiiiiight 11:25 -!- guillom [n=guillaum@wikimedia/guillom] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 11:26 -!- j^ [n=j@g225131167.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit ["cable cut"] 11:27 < domas> so, funny 11:28 < domas> mediawiki itself doesn't show those pages 11:28 < domas> but maintenance scripts still do the processing 11:30 -!- guillom [n=guillaum@wikimedia/guillom] has joined #mediawiki 11:35 < domas> CHAD YOU LITTLE MONGREL 11:37 < CIA-81> midom * r58049 /branches/wmf-deployment/maintenance/updateSpecialPages.php: fix regression introduced by r54225 - special page skipping was ignored by maintenance scripts 11:40 < CIA-81> midom * r58050 /trunk/phase3/maintenance/updateSpecialPages.php: upwards merge from deployment-58049, fix regression introduced by r54225 - special page skipping ignored by maintenance scripts 11:41 < ans-tot1222> TimStarling: Why the cookie enwikiToken is never changed? 11:41 < ans-tot1222> TimStarling: This may be security flaw? 11:42 < ans-tot1222> TimStarling: I my token leak, then others can use it to access my account 11:43 < ans-tot1222> I see that, the token may be changed when I change the password 11:43 < ans-tot1222> But what about the site that use external auth plugin? 11:44 < ans-tot1222> With ext auth plugin, the user usually not change password using mw interface 11:50 -!- madsj [n=mads@130.227.120.134] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 11:54 < werdna> ans-tot1222: it changes when you log out and in 11:54 < ans-tot1222> werdna: from my experiment with mw1.14, it never change 11:54 < werdna> don't address questions to individual people, too. They're not your personal consultants, and Tim happens to be asleep. 11:55 < werdna> ans-tot1222: anyway, all token leaks could cause account compromise 11:55 < werdna> there's no way around that 11:55 < ans-tot1222> werdna: when I logout, I can still use the Token using firefox cookie editor 11:55 < werdna> yes, that's proof that it changes 11:56 < werdna> if it didn't change, then you would still be logged in 11:56 < werdna> but the mechanism is that the token is reset when you log out, meaning your current token is then invalid 11:56 < ans-tot1222> werdna: when I logout, I can still use the Token using firefox cookie editor to relogin using the old token 11:56 < werdna> actually I lie, it looks like it *does* just clear the cookie 11:57 < ans-tot1222> werdna: no, i use cookie editor to add the cookie again, and i can relogin using that token 11:57 < ans-tot1222> werdna: why u lie? 11:57 -!- Raymond_ [n=Raymond@wikipedia/Raymond] has joined #mediawiki 11:57 < ans-tot1222> this is not joke 11:57 < werdna> ah, yes, the reason it doesn't change is because logging out would log out other sessions for the same account 11:57 < ans-tot1222> it is serious 11:57 < werdna> which is kinda undesirable. 11:57 < werdna> ans-tot1222: I meant that I was mistaken 11:57 < werdna> I read the code to answer your question. 11:58 < werdna> yes, okay, so the token is reset every time you change your password or your email address 11:59 < werdna> it doesn't make much difference though, if the token is stolen then somebody can hijack your session, end of story 11:59 < ans-tot1222> With ext auth plugin, the user usually not change password using mw interface 11:59 < freakolowsky> domas why'd you remove the grouch part :D 11:59 < werdna> so the token won't often be reset, what's your point? 11:59 < ans-tot1222> yes 11:59 < domas> freakolowsky: because I do fix stuff, grouches don't 11:59 < ans-tot1222> werdna: ext auth like openID 12:00 < werdna> ans-tot1222: yes, but what's the big deal with the token not being reset? 12:00 -!- JNSamuel [n=JSamuel@unaffiliated/eckstasy] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 12:00 -!- JNSamuel [n=JSamuel@unaffiliated/eckstasy] has joined #mediawiki 12:01 < ans-tot1222> werdna: with ext auth, no way to reset the token, when it leak 12:01 -!- JNSamuel [n=JSamuel@unaffiliated/eckstasy] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 12:02 < ans-tot1222> werdna: if there's way to reset the token, but user usually not aware of it 12:02 -!- RoanKattouw [n=chatzill@mediawiki/Catrope] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.0.14/2009090216]"] 12:02 < CIA-81> shinjiman * r58051 /trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (4 files): Localisation updates Cantonese, Chinese and Literary Chinese 12:02 < ans-tot1222> since the user don't aware of the existence of token in their point of view 12:03 -!- rainman-sr [n=rainman@131.111.60.124] has joined #mediawiki 12:04 < werdna> ans-tot1222: "When it leaks"? 12:04 < werdna> You're talking about something pretty infrequent anyway 12:04 < werdna> We should probably be more diligent about resetting the token, but honestly unless you're running a high-security government site there's little need to bother 12:04 < ans-tot1222> when someone use my computer and view the cookie in firefox 12:05 < werdna> how often does that happen? 12:05 < werdna> Maybe you should protect against that by putting a password on your computer. 12:05 < domas> heh 12:05 < ans-tot1222> it is insecure by design 12:05 < domas> if anyone has access to your computer 12:05 < domas> then everything on that computer is insecure 12:05 < domas> :) 12:06 < werdna> ans-tot1222: your computer is, if somebody walking up to your computer and stealing your cookies is a legitimate concern. 12:06 < ans-tot1222> domas: yes, but i can reformat the computer, but i can reset the stolen token in mw 12:07 < ans-tot1222> domas: yes, but i can reformat the computer, but i CANNOT reset the stolen token in mw 12:07 < werdna> Now I agree that the token should cycle somewhat regularly, but honestly the real security should be protecting the token from theft in the first place 12:07 < werdna> if somebody can steal your token, they can do anything as you. End of story. 12:08 < ans-tot1222> werdna: they can do anything, until i reset the token 12:09 < werdna> right, but the majority of hacks that use unauthorised access to an account like that are one-off affairs. 12:09 < werdna> If somebody indeed cares enough about your site to steal your cookies, they'll typically just use them to delete a whole bunch of pages and cause general havoc for 10 minutes 12:09 < ans-tot1222> werdna: this insecure by design, and may mislead the user 12:10 < werdna> no it isn't. 12:10 < werdna> It's eminently not insecure by design. It's a small loophole in an otherwise reasonable security design. 12:10 < werdna> anyway, I think we've both made our points. If you want to patch it, feel free 12:11 < werdna> otherwise I have work to do 12:12 < ans-tot1222> werdna: if token change when password change, then the permanent session will expire when password changed? 12:13 -!- coolllguyhhere_ [n=chatzill@117.205.23.179] has joined #mediawiki 12:13 < coolllguyhhere_> hello everyone.. 12:13 < coolllguyhhere_> i am looking to learn about Mediawiki Template usage.. and i am not able to understand the concept well.. they seem pretty complex to me.. 12:14 -!- zrh [n=zrh@dynamic-80-242-196-198.catv.glattnet.ch] has joined #mediawiki 12:14 < ans-tot1222> werdna: about unchanged token, it give a false sense of security to people who don't think very hard. 12:14 < coolllguyhhere_> i have understood basic concept about what they are about.. but have no idea on how to create em.. the explanation on official site is very jargonic 12:15 < werdna> coolllguyhhere_: try to ignore most of it 12:15 < ans-tot1222> (http://www.catb.org/~esr/writings/cathedral-bazaar/cathedral-bazaar/ar01s09.html <-- modified phrase from this) 12:15 < werdna> basically, if you put {{foo}} in wikitext, it is like copying and pasting Template:Foo into the page. 12:16 < werdna> In Template:Foo, you can put {{{1}}} {{{2}}} {{{bar}}}, and for {{foo|quux|fred|bar=baz}}, you get quux fred baz 12:16 < werdna> that's "templates 101" :) 12:16 < coolllguyhhere_> okay.. can you explain how template is integrated on any page on wikipedia as an example.. i am not able to locate the code 12:17 < werdna> templtes are called by {{their name}} 12:17 -!- zocky [n=zocky@wikipedia/zocky] has joined #mediawiki 12:18 -!- lch [n=lch@g228155189.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #mediawiki 12:19 < coolllguyhhere_> so in this page >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/India >> "{{Infobox Country" is a template? 12:19 < ans-tot1222> We should probably be more diligent about resetting the token, but honestly unless you're running a high-security government site there's little need to bother <-- mw always give the false sense of security to people trying to use it running a high-security site 12:20 < werdna> if somebody is running a high-security site, then they shouldn't let the token leak in the first place. 12:20 -!- madsj [n=mads@130.227.120.134] has joined #mediawiki 12:21 -!- lch_ [n=lch@g228155189.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #mediawiki 12:21 < ans-tot1222> werdna: it give the false sense that, they value the token leak as temporary leak 12:22 < werdna> ans-tot1222: I honestly don't have time to argue this with you. 12:22 < werdna> Feel free to submit a patch or a bug. 12:22 < ans-tot1222> werdna: someone allow medium security, that allow temporary leak, but not allow permanent leak 12:23 < ans-tot1222> werdna: but it give the false to them, that token is temporary 12:23 < ans-tot1222> werdna: but it give the false sense to them, that token is temporary 12:27 < ans-tot1222> Feel free to submit a patch or a bug. <-- that's why i talk this to TimStarling (the developer), to discuss about the design 12:27 < werdna> "the" developer? 12:28 < ans-tot1222> "the" developer? <-- what does this mean? 12:28 -!- coolllguyhhere_ [n=chatzill@117.205.23.179] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 12:29 < ans-tot1222> he is not mw developer? 12:29 -!- coolllguyhhere [n=chatzill@117.205.16.108] has joined #mediawiki 12:29 < ans-tot1222> i'm also looking for brion (CTO) 12:30 -!- coolllguyhhere [n=chatzill@117.205.16.108] has quit [Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)] 12:31 -!- coolllguyhhere [n=chatzill@117.205.19.194] has joined #mediawiki 12:32 < wikibugs> (NEW) Watch/Unwatch: Items not getting add to Watchlist when editing(Ah-hoc) - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21251 major; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: UsabilityInitiative; (wikibugs) 12:34 -!- ZioCorto [i=c1cedc02@gateway/web/freenode/x-qzqynonmqcthrfhb] has quit ["Page closed"] 12:35 -!- sysadmin_ [n=sysadmin@118.174.25.15.adsl.dynamic.totbb.net] has joined #mediawiki 12:35 -!- sysadmin_ is now known as ans-tot1222- 12:35 < ans-tot1222-> "the" developer? <-- what does this mean? 12:35 -!- Shown [n=Miranda@host169-198-dynamic.21-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #mediawiki 12:35 < ans-tot1222-> he is not mw developer? 12:36 < ans-tot1222-> i'm also looking for brion (Chief Technology Officer) 12:37 -!- lch [n=lch@g228155189.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 12:38 < LeonWP> ans-tot1222-, there're like... a few hundrer mediawiki developers. 12:38 < LeonWP> *hundred even 12:38 < ans-tot1222-> LeonWP: yes, but i know few 12:39 < ans-tot1222-> LeonWP: i just recall the most active 12:40 -!- coolllguyhhere_ [n=chatzill@117.205.16.86] has joined #mediawiki 12:40 -!- Anubisss [i=Anubisss@ip-174-29-userpool.zeg.zelkanet.hu] has joined #mediawiki 12:41 < ans-tot1222-> is there the permanent log of this #mediawiki channel? 12:42 < zrh> http://toolserver.org/~amidaniel/chanlogs/%23mediawiki/ 12:42 < zrh> http://toolserver.org/~mzmcbride/mw-logs/ 12:42 < ans-tot1222-> thank you 12:43 < ans-tot1222-> why not put such link in topic? 12:43 < werdna> it *is* in the topic 12:44 < zrh> werdan7: ;) 12:44 < ans-tot1222-> which one? 12:44 < ans-tot1222-> ok, i see it 12:44 < werdna> maybe the link prefixed by "Channel logged:" 12:44 < zrh> ans-tot1222: The last three mentioned URLs in the topic description 12:45 < ans-tot1222-> i have scanned to topic for at least 5 times, until i see it - -' 12:45 < ans-tot1222-> at the first 4 scan, i see only the temp and search log 12:46 < freakolowsky> domas: likable ... 10x 4 the page ... YSlow is happy now 12:46 < domas> hehe 12:46 -!- coolllguyhhere [n=chatzill@117.205.19.194] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 12:46 < domas> ans-tot, Brion isn't CTO anymore 12:47 < domas> in fact, he doesn't work for the organization! :) 12:47 < ans-tot1222-> domas: who is CTO now? 12:48 < werdna> nobody! 12:48 < freakolowsky> i know his name starts with an E 12:48 < werdna> Erik is deputy director, but that just means all the tech staff report to him 12:49 < ans-tot1222-> long time ago, Brion said to me that, he is CTO 12:49 < domas> I don't!!!!! 12:49 < domas> he was 12:49 < domas> kind of 12:49 < domas> :) 12:49 < domas> the title was! 12:49 < werdna> he was 12:49 < werdna> but he quit 12:50 -!- ans-tot1222 [n=sysadmin@118.174.44.163.adsl.dynamic.totbb.net] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 12:50 < domas> hehe 12:50 < domas> I'm better than CTO! 12:50 < domas> I don't report to noone 12:50 * domas whistles 12:52 < freakolowsky> domas: let's ask that your GF or wife :D 12:52 < domas> ohhh, our partnership is not based on reporting 12:53 < AndyZee__> hi, how can I start an sql.php maintenance script?) 12:54 < zrh> AndyZee__: php sql.php? 12:54 < werdna> php maintenance/sql.php 12:54 < AndyZee__> wiki is on hosting that doesn't support ssh 12:54 < werdna> ah, fun 12:54 < werdna> !shell 12:54 < mwbot> Shell access (that is, SSH access, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SSH) is highly recommended if you want to run MediaWiki. You can install without it, and basic operation will work, but even creating backups or upgrading will be painful without it. Some more involved maintenance tasks may even be impossible. MediaWiki is not designed for minimal environments. 12:54 -!- sreher [n=sreher@g226024183.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [] 12:54 < werdna> !ssh 12:54 < mwbot> Shell access (that is, SSH access, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SSH) is highly recommended if you want to run MediaWiki. You can install without it, and basic operation will work, but even creating backups or upgrading will be painful without it. Some more involved maintenance tasks may even be impossible. MediaWiki is not designed for minimal environments. 12:54 < zrh> AndyZee__: You can use a cron job if available 12:54 < werdna> hmm, there should be something about it somewhere... 12:55 -!- Bryan [n=launch@wikimedia-commons/Bryan] has joined #mediawiki 12:55 < zrh> AndyZee__: I have ssh access, however, I cannot run PHP scripts from the shell due to security restrictions. Cronjobs work however. 12:55 < AndyZee__> all right, I'll try to find it then, thanks 12:56 < AndyZee__> I found, my hosting does have a cron-job planning, thx) 12:57 -!- ThomasV [n=ThomasV@28.30.73-86.rev.gaoland.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 12:59 < AndyZee__> zrh, it has a path to the script and asks to choose day/time etc.. , so what should I put in script path if I want to do "php maintenance/sql.php extension/liquidthreads/lqt.sql"? 13:00 -!- cps0 [n=cps0@143.107.109.46] has joined #mediawiki 13:00 -!- madsj [n=mads@130.227.120.134] has quit ["leaving"] 13:00 < zrh> AndyZee__: You need the full path of the script, it's usually something like /home/YOURHOSTING/public_html/w/maintenance/... 13:00 < werdna> AndyZee__: hah, you're installing my extension 13:01 < zrh> werdna: Which one? 13:01 < AndyZee__> werdna are you that guy from the conference?) 13:01 < werdna> LiquidThreads. 13:01 < domas> HE IS JUUUNIOOOOORRRR 13:01 < werdna> AndyZee__: probably 13:01 < zrh> domas: ??? 13:01 < domas> WERDNA! 13:01 < AndyZee__> werdna nice extension, if it does what it should :) 13:01 < werdna> AndyZee__: I'd probably recommend hacking together a PHP script that will install it for you 13:02 < werdna> and just putting that on the web and visiting it 13:02 < AndyZee__> :)))) 13:02 * freakolowsky scratches his scalp ... why do i loose navigation when i enter edit page :S ?!?! 13:02 < zrh> werdna: What happens to old-style discussion pages? Do they just remain unchanged? 13:03 < werdna> require WebStart.php, get the DB object with wfGetDB( DB_MASTER ), and call $db->sourceFile( /path/to/file ) 13:03 < AndyZee__> oh 13:03 < werdna> zrh: they are put as headers on the discussion page 13:03 -!- ialex [n=IAlex@wikipedia/ialex] has joined #mediawiki 13:04 < AndyZee__> I guess it would be easier to create tables using phpmyadmin :) 13:05 < AndyZee__> need to find out what is $wgDBTableOptions 13:05 < wikibugs> (NEW) Collapsing Tabs: Drop down link disabled for IE8 - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21252 major; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: UsabilityInitiative; (wikibugs) 13:06 < wikibugs> (mod) Collapsing Tabs: Drop down link disabled for IE8 - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21252 (wikibugs) 13:06 < AndyZee__> !ssh 13:06 < mwbot> Shell access (that is, SSH access, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SSH) is highly recommended if you want to run MediaWiki. You can install without it, and basic operation will work, but even creating backups or upgrading will be painful without it. Some more involved maintenance tasks may even be impossible. MediaWiki is not designed for minimal environments. 13:08 < ans-tot1222-> logging out should reset the token, enwikiToken ? 13:08 < CIA-81> ialex * r58052 /trunk/phase3/includes/EditPage.php: removed trailing spaces 13:08 < ialex> ans-tot1222-: it should delete it 13:09 < ialex> (I mean: the cookie) 13:09 < ans-tot1222-> ialex: yes, it delete in the cookie 13:09 -!- coolllguyhhere [n=chatzill@117.205.16.86] has joined #mediawiki 13:09 < ans-tot1222-> ialex: but should it change the token on server? 13:09 < ialex> ans-tot1222-: no 13:10 < ans-tot1222-> however, change the token on server, will make the permanent session on other machine to expire 13:10 < ialex> yes 13:10 < ans-tot1222-> ialex: have u read my discussion about this with werdna? 13:11 < ialex> ans-tot1222-: I joined 6 minutes ago :) 13:11 < ans-tot1222-> ok 13:11 -!- zocky [n=zocky@wikipedia/zocky] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 13:11 < ialex> but we have logs :P 13:13 < ans-tot1222-> ialex: the problem is that, when using ext auth plugin, the token is never changed 13:13 < werdna> ialex: basically, our token doesn't change very often, and not at all if you use an external auth plugin 13:13 < ialex> iirc it changes when you change your password 13:13 < werdna> therefore MediaWiki is "insecure by design" or something 13:13 < ans-tot1222-> like openID 13:14 -!- mrsomeone [n=some1@219-90-214-183.ip.adam.com.au] has quit [] 13:14 < ialex> yea :( 13:17 < domas> huh 13:17 < domas> I wanted to file mediawiki bug 13:17 < domas> filled half the form at bugs.mysql.com 13:17 < domas> old habits die slowly 13:17 < domas> :) 13:17 < ialex> hehe :) 13:18 < ialex> domas: don't file bugs, resolved them ;) 13:18 < ialex> -d 13:18 < ialex> $ 13:18 < ans-tot1222-> ialex: to use php native session token for permanent login, will solve this problem? 13:19 -!- coolllguyhhere_ [n=chatzill@117.205.16.86] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 13:19 * Supaplex gnaws on some code, and throws up, leaving a mess in some random other place - oops. 13:19 < ialex> ans-tot1222-: imho yes 13:20 < domas> ialex: check SAL 13:20 < ialex> ans-tot1222-: you can set $wgCookieExpiration = 0; for that 13:20 < ialex> domas: SAL? 13:21 < AndyZee__> werdna, Fatal error: Call to undefined function wfgetdb() in /home/www/z93707/iscar/en/maintenance/sql.php on line 34 :( 13:21 < domas> ialex: server admin log :) 13:21 < werdna> AndyZee__: after including webstart.php? 13:21 < domas> andyzee: include commandLine.inc 13:22 < domas> webstart is for web start, damnit 13:22 < werdna> domas: and he's doing it through the web 13:22 < domas> then he shouldn't put it into maintenance 13:22 < AndyZee__> I tried to include sql.php, and set $file to what I needed:) 13:22 < domas> oh well! :) 13:22 < ialex> that's a core maintenance script :) 13:22 < domas> just put it to root, like all entry points are 13:22 < werdna> AndyZee__: that's a bit freaky, try just include( "WebStart.php" ); $db = wfGetDB( DB_MASTER ); $db->sourceFile() 13:22 < domas> and yes, WebStart may be a good choice for entry point 13:23 < AndyZee__> ok, it's strange, but anyway thx 13:23 -!- zrh [n=zrh@dynamic-80-242-196-198.catv.glattnet.ch] has quit [] 13:24 < ialex> http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sp%C3%A9cial:Pages_demand%C3%A9es?uselang=en \o/ 13:24 < ialex> :D 13:24 < ialex> (that's Special:WantedPages) 13:25 < domas> ialex: I 'fixed it' 13:25 < domas> I'll review the skip list soon 13:25 < ialex> domas: I know 13:25 < domas> I just don't know queries running for longer than 3-6 hours 13:25 < domas> *don't want 13:25 < domas> damn, I make too many mistakes today 13:26 -!- Prodego [n=Prodego@wikipedia/Prodego] has joined #mediawiki 13:26 < werdna> ialex: where do you live by the way? 13:27 < ialex> werdna: Switzerland 13:27 < werdna> ialex: yes, where in switzerland 13:27 < werdna> I will be visiting switzerland in january 13:27 < ialex> werdna: Neuch^atel 13:27 < werdna> pretty place. 13:27 < werdna> I think I will be in Lausanne. 13:27 < domas> bastard 13:27 < ialex> domas: uh? 13:28 < domas> I looked at the pictures 13:28 < domas> you're a bastard 13:29 < domas> damn bourgeois 13:29 < domas> :) 13:29 < domas> that place looks nice 13:31 < werdna> domas: you could move to switzerland 13:31 < werdna> do your work from the alps 13:31 < werdna> sit by the lake on your laptop 13:31 < werdna> sounds like a good deal to me 13:31 < werdna> I wish I got a schengen work visa (although I'm not sure if such things exist) instead of UK. 13:32 < werdna> the continent has much prettier places, better transport, less agressive immigration, and I could learn a language! 13:33 < domas> switzerland isn't EU 13:33 -!- dgts [n=dgts@79.219.70.150] has joined #mediawiki 13:34 < AndyZee__> why not 13:34 < werdna> domas: it's EEA and Schengen, though, no? 13:34 < domas> not Schengen, IIRC 13:34 -!- zocky [n=zocky@wikipedia/zocky] has joined #mediawiki 13:34 < domas> at least they check documents in trains :) 13:35 -!- Hosiryuhosi_ [n=Hosiryuh@wikipedia/Hosiryuhosi] has joined #MediaWiki 13:35 < werdna> domas: they acceded to Schengen beginning of this year 13:35 < werdna> so maybe you're out of date there 13:36 < freakolowsky> :D 13:36 < ialex> domas: it's in Schengen 13:36 < domas> right 13:36 < domas> last time I was crossing the border, it was 2008 13:36 < domas> :) 13:36 < freakolowsky> you get around dude 13:38 < werdna> he lives in europe, of course he does 13:38 < domas> werdna: did you catch up with number of countries with me?!!!? 13:38 < werdna> domas: probably not 13:38 < werdna> what's your count? 13:38 < domas> Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, Russia, Belarus, Poland, Germany, Czech republic, Netherlands, United Kingdom, Ireland, Denmark, France, Sweden, Finland, Chile, Egypt, Austria, Italy, Vatican City, San Marino, Spain, United States, Switzerland, Hong Kong (PRC), Taiwan (RoC), Bulgaria, Ukraine, Greece, Turkey, Canada, Argentina, Japan 13:38 < domas> 33! 13:38 < werdna> that's impressive 13:39 < freakolowsky> werdna so do i ... live in Europe that is ... 13:39 < AndyZee__> werdna, strange MySQL returned error "1071: Specified key was too long; max key length is 1000 bytes (mysqlserver)". 13:39 < domas> andyzee: nothing strange, hehehehe! 13:39 < AndyZee__> :) 13:40 < werdna> let's see, Australia, US, Canada, New Zealand, New Caledonia, UK, France, Germany, Italy, Greece (next week), Denmark, Sweden, Finland, Belgium, Argentina, Uruguay, maybe some more 13:40 < AndyZee__> domas any suggestions? 13:40 < werdna> so that's 16 13:40 < domas> there're quite a few low hanging fruits for me left 13:40 < werdna> not nearly as many 13:40 < werdna> I'll get there :P 13:41 < domas> Portugal, Norway, Belgium (with Luxembourg!), and lots in central europe 13:42 < werdna> it's easy for people who live in eastern europe 13:42 < werdna> less easy if you live in Sydney 13:42 < werdna> cheapest international flight is a few hundred euro :( 13:43 < domas> well, was way easier for me to travel a year ago 13:43 < domas> when I had two airlines operating Vilnius as a hub 13:44 < domas> now none do. 13:46 < werdna> which ones? 13:46 * werdna has lunch, whee 13:46 < werdna> domas: you haven't been to AU yet either :) 13:46 < freakolowsky> domas ... where u from? 13:47 < domas> Lithuania 13:47 < domas> werdna: I nearly made it once, for Tim's wedding ;-) 13:47 < domas> werdna: had scheduling conflict, was considering already buying tickets though 13:47 < werdna> well if you come, i'm sure tim and I can find you a pub :) 13:48 < freakolowsky> that's quite near :D only about 1200km from here :d 13:49 -!- uebera|| [n=user@enton.tm.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 13:50 * freakolowsky switches to ultra-concentration-mode ... migrating MW from 13.4 -> svn on a production box 13:50 -!- uebera|| [n=user@enton.tm.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de] has joined #mediawiki 13:50 < freakolowsky> keep your fingers crossed that i didn't messup my scripts :S 13:51 -!- stephan48 [n=rjp@pdpc/supporter/student/stephan48] has joined #mediawiki 13:51 -!- Lapper [n=Lapper@wikimedia/lapper] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 13:51 < werdna> man these chips taste bad after brussels frites. 13:52 -!- Blizzerand [n=chatzill@unaffiliated/blizzerand] has joined #mediawiki 13:52 < Blizzerand> Hell there , I run a wiki and is there any way to enable html instead of wiki markup 13:52 < Bryan> !html 13:52 < mwbot> For allowing any and all HTML, see . This is of course VERY DANGEROUS. Safer options include , and . 13:53 < Bryan> really, it's in the manual 13:54 < werdna> ialex: so I assume you have a nice watch :P 13:54 < Blizzerand> Bryan : I think I will go with the extensions 13:55 < ialex> werdna: ;) 13:55 < werdna> domas: there is a saying about european travel.. 13:55 < domas> werdna: do note, quite a few countries I visited are outside of Europe! :) 13:55 < werdna> In Europe, you think that 100 km is a long distance. In Australia, we think that 100 years is a long time. 13:56 < domas> and I was in Argentina/Egypt twice 13:56 < domas> doh! 13:56 < AndyZee__> ((( Call to undefined function wfarrayinsertafter() 13:56 < domas> wikimania selection fail 13:56 < werdna> hmm? 13:56 < werdna> AndyZee__: what mediawiki version? 13:56 < Bryan> 100 km is to the other end of the country 13:56 < werdna> you need 1.16 alpha 13:56 < werdna> Bryan: right, in Australia that's like, out of sydney metropolitan area :P 13:56 < AndyZee__> 1.15.1 ) 13:56 < domas> Belarus is 50km from here :) 13:56 < werdna> urban sprawl :) 13:57 < domas> Poland/Latvia both ~200km 13:57 < werdna> domas: that's like 3 or 4 times the distance I drive to my gf's house in sydney 13:57 < domas> Russia ~200km 13:57 < domas> hey, dear developers 13:57 < domas> what do you think about using GIT for mediawiki!!?!?! 13:58 < werdna> domas: omg we should use it as backend 13:58 < domas> yes yes 13:58 < domas> thats what I'm asking 13:58 < freakolowsky> i don't think ... it's friday 13:58 < werdna> domas: omg yay that automatically distributes our database 13:58 < domas> werdna: http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2009-October/055697.html 13:58 < domas> :) 13:58 < werdna> domas: I've been reading the thread 13:58 < freakolowsky> but if you ask me on monday i'll probabbly agree 13:58 < domas> werdna: that would also allow multiple datacenter hosting! 13:58 < Bryan> I couldn't care less as long as there is a Tortoise for it 13:58 -!- Blizzerand [n=chatzill@unaffiliated/blizzerand] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 13:59 < werdna> domas: it's better than mysql replication because 13:59 < werdna> umm 13:59 < werdna> linux kernel 13:59 < werdna> umm 13:59 < domas> werdna: yes yes, conflict resolution! oh wait! 13:59 < freakolowsky> lol @ Bryan .... CLI pwnz! 13:59 < werdna> Web 2.0 13:59 < werdna> umm 13:59 < werdna> git hub 13:59 < domas> Bryan: you'd read wikipedia with tortoise? :) 13:59 < freakolowsky> lol 13:59 -!- Lapper [n=Lapper@wikimedia/lapper] has joined #mediawiki 13:59 < Bryan> oh. right :) 14:00 < Bryan> would be pretty nice though 14:00 < werdna> Bryan: why? :/ 14:00 -!- AzaToth [n=azatoth@wikipedia/AzaToth] has joined #mediawiki 14:00 < domas> you know, finally all the loonies have a wiki designed just for them 14:00 < domas> the strategywiki thing 14:02 -!- NicDumZ [n=nicdumz@wikimedia/NicDumZ] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 14:03 < domas> werdna: does GIT support realtime replication? 14:04 < werdna> perl -e 'while(1) { `git push; git pull`; }' 14:04 < werdna> :) 14:04 < domas> right 14:04 < domas> :) 14:05 < wikibugs> (NEW) Watch/Unwatch: Watchlist link opens a file - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21253 normal; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: UsabilityInitiative; (wikibugs) 14:10 -!- ialex [n=IAlex@wikipedia/ialex] has quit [] 14:15 < freakolowsky> asdasaAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAaa ... ReiserFS crashes in the middle of migration :S :S 14:15 < domas> thats what you get for using reiserfs 14:16 < freakolowsky> talk to our sysadmin 14:16 -!- Witzman [n=witzman@outgoing.e-tecture.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 14:17 < wikibugs> (NEW) Sister project search results should be added on ko.wp - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21254 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: Special pages; (acc611) 14:17 < domas> WISHFUL THINKING 14:17 < freakolowsky> indeed 14:17 < domas> freakolowsky: tell him "YOU ARE AN IDIOT" 14:18 < freakolowsky> i do that many times / week 14:21 < wikibugs> (mod) Sister project search results should be added on ko.wp - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21254 (acc611) 14:21 -!- coolllguyhhere_ [n=chatzill@117.205.20.161] has joined #mediawiki 14:23 < werdna> reiser has killed your data 14:25 -!- flubub118 [n=Flubub@dslb-094-217-108-190.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #mediawiki 14:28 * werdna seeks a Natalie 14:28 -!- coolllguyhhere_ [n=chatzill@117.205.20.161] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.3/20090824101458]"] 14:28 -!- Prodego [n=Prodego@wikipedia/Prodego] has quit [No route to host] 14:30 -!- LauraHale [n=laurahal@99.144.230.190] has joined #mediawiki 14:30 -!- coolllguyhhere [n=chatzill@117.205.16.86] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 14:30 -!- enomil [n=enomil@wikimedia/Enomil] has joined #mediawiki 14:31 < wikibugs> (LATER) Sister project search results should be added on ko.wp - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21254 +comment (rainman) 14:34 < werdna> hey rainman-sr, any idea why the search on discussion page stuff still isn't working? 14:34 -!- Marco27 [n=Marco27@wikipedia/Marco27] has joined #mediawiki 14:35 < werdna> rainman-sr: I'm assuming it's an OAI issue, since it works fine for me 14:35 < rainman-sr> yeah, must be some OAI buggage 14:36 -!- p858snake_ is now known as p858snake|sleep 14:36 < rainman-sr> unfortunately, i don't really have time to do anything except very basic maintenance, so you'll have to sort it yourself probably, sorry 14:37 < rainman-sr> you can test it by using the update script (instead of build) to keep the index up-to-date on your local wiki 14:37 < werdna> fair enough 14:37 < werdna> nod 14:37 < CIA-81> werdna * r58053 /trunk/extensions/LiquidThreads/classes/Thread.php: 14:37 < CIA-81> LiquidThreads updates: 14:37 < CIA-81> * Fix bug with reply count increment function. 14:37 < CIA-81> * Make bumping on commitRevision optional (controlled by a parameter) 14:45 -!- Dr_Jekyll [i=DrJekyll@p57B0ED1F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #mediawiki 14:47 < Bryan> ah got my train tickets for paris 14:47 -!- satya [n=satya@116.74.12.138] has joined #mediawiki 14:48 < satya> Is mediawiki suitable for creating online documentation for my new opensource PHP framework? 14:49 < werdna> Bryan: \o/ 14:49 < werdna> Bryan: where do you live anyway? 14:49 < Bryan> the hague, the netherlands 14:50 < Bryan> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hague 14:50 < opticron> that's a fun place 14:50 < werdna> awesome! 14:51 < Bryan> it's a nice place to live 14:51 -!- ans-tot1222- [n=sysadmin@118.174.25.15.adsl.dynamic.totbb.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 14:51 < werdna> hey domas, I'm trying to grab the last 100 edits from recentchanges in odd namespaces, and group by namespace,title, to see how long the tail is for it 14:51 < werdna> but it seems to not understand my query 14:51 < werdna> mysql> explain select count(*), rc_namespace, rc_title from recentchanges where rc_namespace % 2 = 1 group by rc_namespace,rc_title order by rc_id desc limit 100; 14:51 < werdna> | recentchanges | index | NULL | PRIMARY | 4 | NULL | 6030293 | Using where; Using index; Using temporary | 14:51 < Bryan> one of the bigger cities here, yet you can reach the entire city with a 45 minutes of bike ride :P 14:52 -!- W0rf [n=worf@dune.cgv.tu-graz.ac.at] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 14:52 < werdna> Bryan: will probably invade .nl in January :) 14:52 < Bryan> traveling a lot, eh? 14:52 < werdna> well when you're from Australia, you do it all in one go 14:52 < werdna> because it's 1000 EUR return just to get to europe 14:53 < Bryan> how long are you staying in europe? 14:53 < werdna> from May of this year to January of next year 14:54 < domas> werdna: specify list of namespaces 14:54 < werdna> ok 14:54 < Bryan> there is no may this year 14:54 -!- sreher [n=sreher@g226024183.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #mediawiki 14:54 < werdna> domas: but even with no ns condition, mysql> explain select count(*), rc_namespace, rc_title from recentchanges group by rc_namespace,rc_title order by rc_id desc limit 100; 14:54 < werdna> | recentchanges | index | NULL | PRIMARY | 4 | NULL | 6030333 | Using index; Using temporary | 14:55 < Bryan> unless May in Australia correponds to November here :P 14:55 < domas> werdna: do note that you reorder stuff anyway 14:55 < werdna> domas: I would expect it to use rc_id primary key to select 100 rows, and then do the rest on that subset 14:56 < domas> hehehehe 14:56 < werdna> should I force index it? 14:56 < domas> then you fail at SQL 14:56 < domas> it does everything, and then gets last 100 rows 14:56 -!- Raymond_ [n=Raymond@wikipedia/Raymond] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.4/20091007001339]"] 14:56 < werdna> lame 14:56 < werdna> so I should use a timestamp cutoff 14:57 < werdna> or pick two id values 100 apart and grab records between those two 14:57 < domas> well 14:57 < domas> you can select timestamp with offset 100 limit 1 14:57 < domas> and then use it as cutoff 14:58 < satya> Is mediawiki suitable for creating online documentation for my new opensource PHP framework? 14:58 < domas> or you can do SELECT * FROM ( SELECT 100 records) ... ;-) 14:58 < domas> satya: yes 14:58 < domas> gotta run 15:01 < freakolowsky> dang .... seems like our main VPS box decided it was friday and stopped working :S 15:03 -!- Lofwyr [i=DrJekyll@p57B0F5C2.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 15:07 < satya> domas: Is mediawiki too heavy on MySQL database? 15:08 < satya> Actually,due to this issue only, I had to dump drupal after initially using it and now I am using wordpress instead. 15:08 -!- putnik [n=putnik@wikimedia/putnik] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 15:09 < satya> Can mediawiki be integrated with wordpress? 15:09 -!- Raymond_ [n=Raymond@wikipedia/Raymond] has joined #mediawiki 15:11 < satya> Can anybody here help me? 15:12 < LauraHale> Depends 15:13 < LauraHale> I've seen some one do that but I can't recall how. 15:13 * LauraHale found it through google. 15:13 -!- putnik [n=putnik@shpd-78-36-163-165.static.vologda.ru] has joined #mediawiki 15:14 -!- KaareAway is now known as Kaare 15:14 -!- JNSamuel [n=JSamuel@unaffiliated/eckstasy] has joined #mediawiki 15:15 -!- stephan48 [n=rjp@pdpc/supporter/student/stephan48] has quit ["get satisfied! • :: ««« (Gamers.IRC) »»» ::"] 15:19 -!- j^ [n=j@g225131167.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #mediawiki 15:22 -!- yannf [n=yannf@wikipedia/yannf] has joined #mediawiki 15:23 -!- bjorge [n=st01368@129.177.10.43] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 15:27 -!- zrh [n=zrh@dynamic-80-242-196-198.catv.glattnet.ch] has joined #mediawiki 15:28 -!- TodWulff [i=TodWulff@unaffiliated/todwulff] has joined #mediawiki 15:28 -!- TodWulff is now known as TodWulff|Work 15:29 -!- BradLee [n=chatzill@CPE-121-219-177-21.lnse2.lon.bigpond.net.au] has joined #mediawiki 15:29 -!- AndyZee [n=chatzill@77.232.15.35] has joined #mediawiki 15:29 -!- putnik [n=putnik@shpd-78-36-163-165.static.vologda.ru] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 15:33 -!- Platonides [n=Platonid@wikipedia/Platonides] has joined #mediawiki 15:35 -!- AndyZee__ [n=chatzill@89-178-156-200.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 15:35 -!- wolog [n=wolog@195.6.104.193] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 15:36 -!- Mike||gone is now known as Mike_lifeguard 15:44 -!- dungodung|away is now known as dungodung 15:46 < opticron> satya, integrated how? single login for both? 15:50 -!- Platonides [n=Platonid@wikipedia/Platonides] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 15:51 -!- kibble [n=cbrown@wikimedia/Cbrown1023] has quit [SendQ exceeded] 15:53 -!- ao2 [n=u@2001:1418:117:0:0:0:0:1] has joined #mediawiki 15:54 -!- acat [n=acatheri@ip72-192-1-214.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #mediawiki 15:54 < Bryan> !ratelimits 15:54 < mwbot> I don't know anything about "ratelimits". 15:54 < Bryan> !pinglimiter 15:54 < mwbot> I don't know anything about "pinglimiter". 15:54 < Bryan> !ratelimit 15:54 < mwbot> I don't know anything about "ratelimit". 16:00 -!- RoanKattouw [n=chatzill@129.125.21.78] has joined #mediawiki 16:01 -!- lszh [n=zrh@dynamic-80-242-196-215.catv.glattnet.ch] has joined #mediawiki 16:04 -!- zrh is now known as Guest67656 16:05 -!- lszh [n=zrh@dynamic-80-242-196-215.catv.glattnet.ch] has quit [Client Quit] 16:05 -!- lszh [n=zrh@dynamic-80-242-196-215.catv.glattnet.ch] has joined #mediawiki 16:06 -!- lszh is now known as zrh 16:07 -!- wolog [n=wolog@AOrleans-152-1-91-88.w90-21.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #mediawiki 16:09 -!- zocky [n=zocky@wikipedia/zocky] has quit ["Connection reset by deer"] 16:09 -!- Prodego [n=Prodego@wikipedia/Prodego] has joined #mediawiki 16:09 < wikibugs> (mod) Cache DISPLAYTITLE to use it in categories and for tooltips - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20278 +comment (happy-melon) 16:15 -!- Guest67656 [n=zrh@dynamic-80-242-196-198.catv.glattnet.ch] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:17 -!- Tuxedo_ is now known as Tuxedo 16:19 < wikibugs> (NEW) Fix hostname construction for DNSBL checking (make wgEnableSorbs work) - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21255 normal; Normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (ospite) 16:19 -!- ITrace [n=justinst@216.81.188.2] has joined #mediawiki 16:20 < WaterRatj> How do i use a image as link? 16:21 -!- AndyZee_ [n=chatzill@95-26-199-170.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #mediawiki 16:21 < wikibugs> (mod) Fix hostname construction for DNSBL checking (make wgEnableSorbs work) - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21255 +patch (raimond.spekking) 16:22 < Raymond_> !imagemap | WaterRatj 16:22 < mwbot> WaterRatj: ImageMap is an extension that allows you to override the default linking behavior of images. See for more information. 16:22 < zrh> WaterRatj: link= 16:23 < zrh> WaterRatj: [[File:Test.png|link=http://...]] 16:23 < Raymond_> WaterRatj: or easier if you use MediaWiki 1.15.x: see zrh :) 16:25 -!- atglenn1 [n=ariel@c-24-23-247-101.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #mediawiki 16:26 -!- brion [n=brion@wikipedia/Brion-VIBBER] has joined #mediawiki 16:27 < Nikerabbit> wtf is the datamining talk on wikitech 16:27 < Nikerabbit> don't we have that code already, called semantic mediawiki 16:28 < zrh> Nikerabbit: URL? 16:28 < WaterRatj> thanx :D 16:28 -!- MaxSem [n=max@wikimedia/MaxSem] has joined #mediawiki 16:29 -!- AndyZee [n=chatzill@77.232.15.35] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 16:29 < WaterRatj> zrh: Link works with wiki pags? 16:29 < Nikerabbit> zrh: google.com 16:30 -!- Prodego [n=Prodego@wikipedia/Prodego] has quit [No route to host] 16:30 < zrh> WaterRatj: So say it with Nikerabbit: google.com 16:31 -!- flubub119 [n=Flubub@dslb-094-217-108-190.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #mediawiki 16:31 -!- Platonides [n=Platonid@wikipedia/Platonides] has joined #mediawiki 16:31 -!- zrh [n=zrh@dynamic-80-242-196-215.catv.glattnet.ch] has left #mediawiki [] 16:32 < Nikerabbit> why are you highlighting me 16:32 -!- Kaare [i=Kaare@wikipedia/pdpc.professional.kaare] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 16:33 -!- bobinabottle [n=bobinabo@217.138.5.2] has joined #mediawiki 16:34 -!- Daedalus969 [n=Daedalus@unaffiliated/daedalus969] has joined #mediawiki 16:34 -!- AndyZee [n=chatzill@77.232.15.35] has joined #mediawiki 16:35 -!- Suiseiseki [n=desudesu@wikipedia/Antonio-Lopez] has joined #mediawiki 16:35 -!- GreenSleeper is now known as GreenReaper 16:36 -!- AndyZee__ [n=chatzill@89-178-100-4.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #mediawiki 16:37 -!- acat [n=acatheri@ip72-192-1-214.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit ["Peace out."] 16:38 -!- stux|RC-only [n=stux|RC@c-71-238-42-190.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #mediawiki 16:38 -!- Platonides [n=Platonid@wikipedia/Platonides] has quit [] 16:39 -!- _lch_ [n=lch@f054235106.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #mediawiki 16:40 * Natalie eyes werdna. 16:40 < werdna> wazzap 16:41 < Natalie> Not much. You? 16:41 -!- AndyZee [n=chatzill@77.232.15.35] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 16:41 -!- AndyZee__ is now known as AndyZee 16:41 -!- Platonides [n=Platonid@wikipedia/Platonides] has joined #mediawiki 16:41 -!- ao2 [n=u@2001:1418:117:0:0:0:0:1] has left #mediawiki ["Leaving"] 16:42 -!- lch [n=lch@f054235106.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #mediawiki 16:42 < AndyZee> ok 16:43 -!- KaareAway [i=Kaare@wikipedia/pdpc.professional.kaare] has joined #mediawiki 16:43 -!- KaareAway is now known as Kaare 16:44 < werdna> Natalie: i'm good 16:44 < werdna> I had something to poke you about 16:44 < werdna> but shrug 16:44 < Natalie> Silly memory. :-) 16:47 < Natalie> Oh, I poked you yesterday about b/c for &action=edit§ion=new using the API. 16:47 < Natalie> Ideally scripts that use the API and those options would be able to add a thread to a page using LQT without having to rewrite the script 16:47 < werdna> ugggghh 16:47 < werdna> that freaks me out 16:48 -!- flubub118 [n=Flubub@dslb-094-217-108-190.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [No route to host] 16:48 < RoanKattouw> Me too. Use LQT's methods 16:48 < RoanKattouw> Assuming they exist 16:48 < Natalie> Freaks you out more or less than the prospect of 1,000 script writers coming after you for breaking their scripts? :-) 16:48 < werdna> they do now RoanKattouw 16:48 < werdna> ( ! ) Fatal error: Call to a member function isJsSubpage() on a non-object in /Users/andrew/wm-svn/phase3/includes/OutputPage.php on line 1821 16:48 < Natalie> Everyone has set their scripts to use the API and the standard options (&action=edit§ion=new) 16:49 < RoanKattouw> Wait a minute 16:49 < RoanKattouw> Depending on how werdna has done this, it may actually work 16:49 < werdna> RoanKattouw: I implemented a new API module called 'threadaction' 16:49 < RoanKattouw> Right but how did you hijack section=new in the UI? 16:50 -!- SPQRobin [n=Robin@wikimedia/SPQRobin] has joined #mediawiki 16:50 < werdna> sample request: action=threadaction&token=%2B/&threadaction=newthread&subject=X&text=O+HAI 16:50 < werdna> RoanKattouw: quite high up 16:50 < werdna> in the actual LiquidThreads view class. 16:50 < werdna> almost directly in the ArticleView hook 16:50 < RoanKattouw> Right 16:51 < RoanKattouw> But you didn't hijack the submission of the edit form? 16:51 < werdna> no 16:51 < AndyZee> werdna is there any LQT-like extension that runs based on 1.15.1 wiki or less?... 16:51 < Natalie> I don't suppose it could just do a 302 redirect or something? 16:51 -!- AndyZee_ [n=chatzill@95-26-199-170.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:51 < werdna> AndyZee: you can run the old LiquidThreads :D 16:51 < werdna> AndyZee: but it sucks 16:51 < RoanKattouw> Natalie: The API and 302s? 16:51 < AndyZee> really?) 16:51 < werdna> and I think it's riddled with security holes 16:51 < Natalie> RoanKattouw: Yes. Is that a crazy suggestion? 16:52 < RoanKattouw> Not completely 16:52 < RoanKattouw> But there's no precedent 16:53 < Natalie> Well, on wikis where only some talk pages are using LQT, there has to be a way to add a section regardless of LQT status. 16:54 -!- dungodung is now known as dungodung|away 16:54 < Natalie> Preferably something better than regexing the page text for "UseLiquidThreads" 16:54 -!- fanno [n=Morten@90.184.93.233] has joined #mediawiki 16:54 < Natalie> I suppose I should just file a bug. 16:54 -!- lch_ [n=lch@g228155189.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:55 < werdna> Natalie: it would be nice to detect LQT status through prop=info or something 16:56 < Natalie> Yes. Still, though, that requires everyone to write new code everywhere. 16:56 < werdna> ugh, what is wrong with this 16:56 < werdna> something is breaking on a minimal special page 16:56 < Natalie> !blame 16:56 < mwbot> Whatever happened, it's Domas' fault. 16:57 * AryehGregor spotted Natalie's identity right away there 16:57 -!- _lch_ [n=lch@f054235106.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:57 < Natalie> o: 16:58 * werdna eyes AryehGregor 16:58 * AryehGregor elbows werdna 16:59 * AryehGregor just returned from a wedding near Toronto 17:00 -!- lch [n=lch@f054235106.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 17:00 < Platonides> it should have been a werding ;) 17:01 < Platonides> *werdning 17:01 < werdna> AryehGregor: you left the country? 17:01 < AryehGregor> Yes, for the second time in my life. 17:02 < AryehGregor> It was slightly troublesome that I didn't have a passport as of Monday, but I managed to get one by Thursday morning. 17:02 < wikibugs> (NEW) API should support &action=edit§ion=new regardless of whether LiquidThreads is used on the page - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21256 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: LiquidThreads; (public) 17:02 < wikibugs> (mod) signature jumping up into text - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21248 (roan.kattouw) 17:02 * werdna congratulates AryehGregor 17:02 < Natalie> RoanKattouw: The new edit toolbar doesn't include a redirect button by default, right? Should I file a bug about that? 17:03 < AryehGregor> Pfft, it was just like America except that the synagogue had Israeli and Canadian flags instead of Israeli and American. It's not like I actually stepped outside of the place where the wedding took place. 17:03 -!- JW|AFK is now known as Jake_Wartenberg 17:03 < AryehGregor> Religious Jews are pretty much the same across countries anyway, except if they speak different languages. 17:03 -!- baba [n=baba3@207.148.211.242] has joined #mediawiki 17:04 -!- satya [n=satya@116.74.12.138] has quit ["Leaving"] 17:04 < Platonides> was the wedding in English? 17:05 < freakolowsky> it had subtitles :S 17:05 -!- BradLee [n=chatzill@CPE-121-219-177-21.lnse2.lon.bigpond.net.au] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.3/20090824101458]"] 17:05 < RoanKattouw> Natalie: Maybe; file a bug and I'll CC to the rest of the team, I'm not typically the one making these decisions 17:06 < Natalie> All right. 17:06 < AryehGregor> Well, the actual ceremonial parts are all Hebrew, but the instructions and speeches and so on were mostly English. Plus some Yiddish in this case, since at least one side of the marriage seemed to be mostly chassidic. 17:06 < wikibugs> (mod) Search Suggestions: Sinhala wiki, Suggestions are not given to the existing pages - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21250 +comment (roan.kattouw) 17:06 < Natalie> RoanKattouw: The other question I had was about cursor placement after clicking the signature button. Is there a bug filed about that? 17:06 < Platonides> interesting 17:07 * freakolowsky is still waiting (my second less paitently) for sysadmins to restore out main VPS cluster :S ... 17:07 < freakolowsky> never been to a Jewish wedding ... adding to my life's ToDo list :D 17:07 -!- Marco27 [n=Marco27@wikipedia/Marco27] has quit ["Bye!"] 17:08 < wikibugs> (mod) Watch/Unwatch: Items not getting add to Watchlist when editing(Ah-hoc) - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21251 +comment (roan.kattouw) 17:08 < wikibugs> (mod) Restrict Special:Listusers to specific group(s) - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20937 +comment (alex.emsenhuber) 17:09 < werdna> Natalie: oh I remember 17:09 < RoanKattouw> Natalie: There is a bug about the sig icon which may be a dupe of an existing bug against the toolbar in general 17:09 < werdna> was wondering what you were thinking of for the UI for bumping/burying threads. 17:09 < Natalie> Drop 'n drop? :D 17:09 < RoanKattouw> Natalie: Apparently it's having some issues in IE at the moment, I'll ask Trevor to look at it but he probably won't have time till Monday 17:09 < Natalie> Drag 'n drop, even. 17:10 < Natalie> Or just put it the actions menu? 17:10 * AryehGregor activates his Google Wave invite 17:11 * AryehGregor makes a mental note to actually look at it at some later date 17:11 < wikibugs> (INVALID) Watch/Unwatch: Watchlist link opens a file - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21253 +comment (roan.kattouw) 17:11 -!- Bryan [n=launch@wikimedia-commons/Bryan] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.3/20090824101458]"] 17:11 < wikibugs> (NEW) New edit toolbar should include a redirect button by default - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21257 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: UsabilityInitiative; (public) 17:11 * Natalie goes away. 17:12 * RoanKattouw too 17:12 -!- RoanKattouw [n=chatzill@129.125.21.78] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Iceweasel 3.0.6/2009072221]"] 17:12 -!- xbaez [n=xbaez@200.34.201.2] has joined #mediawiki 17:13 * AndyZee oO 17:14 * AndyZee hits a wall with a head 17:15 < MaxSem> that must hurt... 17:16 -!- GreenWireless [n=greenrea@unaffiliated/greenreaper] has joined #mediawiki 17:16 -!- atglenn1 [n=ariel@c-24-23-247-101.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit ["Leaving."] 17:16 -!- ThomasV [n=ThomasV@argon.loria.fr] has joined #mediawiki 17:16 -!- AndyZee_ [n=chatzill@77.232.15.35] has joined #mediawiki 17:16 -!- trakesht [n=chatzill@125.237.16.161] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.3/20090824101458]"] 17:18 < AndyZee_> is there some way to update to 1.16 quickly?... 17:18 < AryehGregor> svn co 17:18 < AndyZee_> it need shell :((( 17:18 < werdna> AndyZee_: copy the files over the top, re-run the installer 17:18 < werdna> !upgrade 17:18 < mwbot> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Upgrading 17:19 < AndyZee_> and what about roll-back?) 17:19 < AndyZee_> I've read that already 17:19 < AryehGregor> There's no supported downgrade path. 17:19 < AryehGregor> Don't upgrade to an alpha if you aren't sure you want to stick with it. 17:20 < werdna> well, I don't think there are any changes that break downgrades 17:21 < AndyZee_> if it doesn't change DB in another way.. then maybe copy-paste would work to downgrade? or am I wrong? 17:22 < AryehGregor> Really? All schema changes will be reverse-compatible? 17:22 < Platonides> replacing to the previous version would work 17:22 < AryehGregor> Even if you upgrade, downgrade, and then later upgrade again? 17:22 < Platonides> AryehGregor, no 17:22 -!- AndyZee [n=chatzill@89-178-100-4.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 17:22 -!- AndyZee_ is now known as AndyZee 17:22 < Platonides> but if there's no schema upgrade 17:22 < Platonides> you can easily downgrade 17:22 < AryehGregor> Nothing has to be kept populated, for instance, and won't be populated when you downgrade, and won't be repopulated when you re-upgrade? 17:22 < Mike_lifeguard> Does anyone know where I would find the code that sends UDP packets for recentchanges? 17:23 < AryehGregor> He's talking about upgrading to 1.16 . . . there are schema changes in that, I'm pretty sure. 17:23 < werdna> Mike_lifeguard: RecentChange.php is a good place to start 17:23 < Platonides> there's the localizationcache 17:23 -!- GreenReaper [n=greenrea@unaffiliated/greenreaper] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 17:23 -!- GreenWireless is now known as GreenReaper 17:25 -!- fenzik_ [n=fenzik@59.92.86.255] has joined #mediawiki 17:25 -!- j^ [n=j@g225131167.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 17:25 -!- bobbarker [n=gt@38.112.182.5] has joined #mediawiki 17:26 -!- Brack10 [n=tbracket@66.35.2.50] has joined #mediawiki 17:26 < bobbarker> Anyone know how to get i have rawhtml on 17:26 < Brack10> bobbarker: It says in the help file 17:27 < bobbarker> rawhtml 17:27 < Brack10> bobbarker: It's like the first editing page 17:27 < bobbarker> right? 17:27 < Brack10> umm I think so 17:27 < bobbarker> I have that 17:27 -!- dungodung|away is now known as dungodung 17:27 < bobbarker> it lets other html 17:27 < bobbarker> just not and a href's 17:28 < Brack10> you can just call em img and a 17:28 < bobbarker> cant 17:28 < bobbarker> using rss feed 17:28 < bobbarker> and I want it to display images 17:28 < Brack10> no I mean when you're referring to them 17:29 < Brack10> when you're referring to the HTML elements, src and href are parameters 17:29 < Brack10> so you can just call them img and a 17:29 < Brack10> that's still correct 17:29 < bobbarker> yea i know 17:29 < Brack10> anyhow 17:30 < Brack10> it's in the docs dude, just dig deeper 17:30 -!- fenzik [n=fenzik@124.124.55.195] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 17:32 -!- j^ [n=j@g225079151.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #mediawiki 17:32 -!- Brack10 [n=tbracket@66.35.2.50] has left #mediawiki [] 17:34 < AryehGregor> !html 17:34 < mwbot> For allowing any and all HTML, see . This is of course VERY DANGEROUS. Safer options include , and . 17:38 -!- GDonato_ [n=GDonato@wikimedia/GDonato] has joined #mediawiki 17:39 -!- Lapper [n=Lapper@wikimedia/lapper] has quit [Client Quit] 17:42 -!- robla [n=robla@c-76-104-247-13.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit ["Leaving."] 17:42 -!- Platonides [n=Platonid@wikipedia/Platonides] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 17:44 -!- Lapper [n=Lapper@wikimedia/lapper] has joined #mediawiki 17:45 -!- GDonato [n=GDonato@wikimedia/GDonato] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 17:45 -!- j^_ [n=j@g225079151.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #mediawiki 17:56 -!- illyism [n=Illyism@83.101.12.92] has joined #mediawiki 17:58 -!- AndyZee [n=chatzill@77.232.15.35] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.3/20090824101458]"] 18:00 -!- booloo [n=booloo@root.ucsc.edu] has left #mediawiki ["Leaving"] 18:01 -!- ialex [n=IAlex@wikipedia/ialex] has joined #mediawiki 18:01 -!- SPQRobin [n=Robin@wikimedia/SPQRobin] has quit ["Leaving."] 18:02 -!- aude [n=chatzill@wikipedia/Aude] has joined #mediawiki 18:03 -!- rainman-sr [n=rainman@131.111.60.124] has quit ["Leaving"] 18:04 -!- Brownout [n=brownout@wikimedia/pdpc.supporter.active.brownout] has quit ["brb"] 18:05 -!- tomaszf [n=tomaszf@216.38.133.254] has joined #mediawiki 18:06 -!- Dark_Rift [n=dark@modemcable015.68-200-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #mediawiki 18:06 -!- siebrand_alt [n=beis@adsl-99-182-232-65.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #mediawiki 18:06 -!- enomil [n=enomil@wikimedia/Enomil] has quit ["( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.21 :: www.esnation.com )"] 18:07 -!- siebrand_alt [n=beis@adsl-99-182-232-65.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 18:08 -!- Brownout [n=brownout@wikimedia/pdpc.supporter.active.brownout] has joined #mediawiki 18:10 -!- sreher [n=sreher@g226024183.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [] 18:10 -!- RobH_ [n=RobH@216.38.133.254] has joined #mediawiki 18:15 < wikibugs> (REOPENED) Common watchlists - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21223 +comment (cenarium.sysop) 18:18 -!- zai [n=zai@77.184.118.57] has joined #mediawiki 18:19 -!- robla [n=robla@ip65-47-28-158.z28-47-65.customer.algx.net] has joined #mediawiki 18:19 -!- hoover [n=chatzill@69.77.169.106] has joined #mediawiki 18:20 < hoover> How do I force a summary to be required for all users? 18:20 -!- mattis^ [n=mattis@p4FC1E3C8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #mediawiki 18:21 -!- tomaszf [n=tomaszf@216.38.133.254] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 18:21 -!- hoover is now known as raizor 18:21 -!- tomaszf [n=tomaszf@216.38.133.254] has joined #mediawiki 18:21 < werdna> raizor: that's a really terrible idea. 18:21 < raizor> It's an intranet 18:22 < werdna> it's still a really terrible idea. 18:22 < werdna> You know what people will do, right? 18:22 < raizor> If they do they get fired ;) 18:22 < werdna> Edit summary: [asdfghjkl;' 18:22 < werdna> that's a really dumb reason to fire somebody 18:22 < werdna> anyway, you can set the default for the preference "Warn on submitting an edit with no edit summary) 18:22 < raizor> I'm trying to deflect your concerns 18:23 < raizor> thank you 18:23 < werdna> but note that they'll still be able to change that in their preferences 18:23 < raizor> where can I do that? I've been looking all over 18:23 -!- DarkRift [n=dark@modemcable015.68-200-24.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Success] 18:26 -!- GDonato_ is now known as gdonato 18:26 < werdna> $wgDefaultUserOptions 18:26 -!- rainman-sr [n=rainman@user-544522c7.lns4-c11.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #mediawiki 18:27 < raizor> how do I update existing users? 18:28 -!- Ryan_Lane [n=chatzill@ip72-204-146-103.no.no.cox.net] has joined #mediawiki 18:28 * MaxSem fears that poor users will have to disable JS:) 18:29 < raizor> $wgDefaultUserOptions['forceeditsummary'] appears to be a server-side check..., just need to apply to all users now 18:30 -!- pscheie [n=pscheie@173-11-39-65-Minnesota.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #mediawiki 18:32 < pscheie> I'm trying to create a custom skin. I've copied monobook/ to /vsi and MonoBook.php to Vsi.php, and set vsi to be the default skin in LocalSettings.php. 18:32 < pscheie> But none of the changes I've made to vsi/main.css are taking effect. 18:33 < pscheie> Oh, and yes, I modified Vsi.php, replacing the monobook named classes with vsi named classes. 18:33 -!- tomaszf [n=tomaszf@216.38.133.254] has quit [] 18:33 < pscheie> Looking at the access time on the files, I can see that vsi/main.css is not being read when a page is requested on the wiki. 18:33 < wikibugs> (mod) public and private watchlists - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7467 (cenarium.sysop) 18:34 -!- Lapper [n=Lapper@wikimedia/lapper] has quit [Client Quit] 18:34 < pscheie> Correction: MonoBook.php was copied to VsiSkin.php. 18:35 < pscheie> Access time shows that VsiSkin.php *is* being read, but so is MonoBook.php, but perhaps that's just a result of inheritance? 18:35 -!- brion is now known as brion-away 18:37 -!- brion-away [n=brion@wikipedia/Brion-VIBBER] has quit [] 18:38 -!- mattis^1 [n=mattis@p4FC1EE0C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:39 < raizor> Is there a way to apply a preference change to all users? 18:42 -!- Tuxedo_ [n=chatzill@p5B0D59E5.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #mediawiki 18:43 -!- Tuxedo [n=chatzill@p5B0D604D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:43 -!- Tuxedo_ is now known as Tuxedo 18:43 -!- Tuxedo is now known as Tuxedo_ 18:43 -!- stux|RC-only [n=stux|RC@c-71-238-42-190.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 18:44 < CIA-81> ialex * r58054 /trunk/phase3/ (CREDITS RELEASE-NOTES includes/User.php): 18:44 < CIA-81> * (bug 21255) Fixed hostname construction for DNSBL checking 18:44 < CIA-81> Based on a patch by Antonio Ospite - http://bug-attachment.wikimedia.org/attachment.cgi?id=6707 18:44 < wikibugs> (FIXED) Fix hostname construction for DNSBL checking (make wgEnableSorbs work) - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21255 +comment (alex.emsenhuber) 18:44 -!- vvv [n=vvv@mediawiki/VasilievVV] has quit ["KVIrc Insomnia 4.0.0, revision: 3410, sources date: 20090703, built on: 2009/08/12 22:29:13 UTC http://www.kvirc.net/"] 18:46 -!- JeroenDeDauw [n=Admin@213-224-29-162.iFiber.telenet-ops.be] has joined #mediawiki 18:46 -!- robla [n=robla@ip65-47-28-158.z28-47-65.customer.algx.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 18:47 -!- siebrand [n=beis@adsl-99-128-13-177.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 18:47 < CIA-81> jeroendedauw * r58056 /trunk/extensions/SemanticMaps/SemanticMaps.php: Changes for 0.4 (see http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Maps/Future#Maps_0.4) 18:48 -!- ada [i=ada@unaffiliated/ada] has joined #mediawiki 18:48 -!- stux|RC-only [n=stux|RC@c-71-238-42-190.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #mediawiki 18:49 -!- aude [n=chatzill@wikipedia/Aude] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.3/20090824101458]"] 18:53 -!- ada_ [i=ada@unaffiliated/ada] has joined #mediawiki 18:55 -!- RobH_ [n=RobH@216.38.133.254] has quit [] 18:56 -!- Mike_lifeguard is now known as Mike||gone 18:57 -!- RobH_ [n=RobH@216.38.133.254] has joined #mediawiki 18:57 -!- mikeschuld [n=mikeschu@209.137.232.180] has joined #mediawiki 18:58 < JeroenDeDauw> !hss | CIA-81 18:58 < mwbot> CIA-81: I don't know anything about "hss". 18:58 < JeroenDeDauw> oh :( 18:58 -!- JeroenDeDauw [n=Admin@213-224-29-162.iFiber.telenet-ops.be] has left #mediawiki [] 19:00 -!- aude [n=chatzill@182.sub-75-197-116.myvzw.com] has joined #mediawiki 19:03 -!- LionsMane [n=don@c-98-216-253-71.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #mediawiki 19:05 -!- ada [i=ada@unaffiliated/ada] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:05 -!- Prodego [n=Prodego@wikipedia/Prodego] has joined #mediawiki 19:06 < Natalie> Fixed. 19:07 -!- ^demon [n=insertde@m4f5a36d0.tmodns.net] has joined #mediawiki 19:10 < wikibugs> (mod) Common watchlists - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21223 (innocentkiller) 19:10 -!- robla [n=robla@ip65-47-28-158.z28-47-65.customer.algx.net] has joined #mediawiki 19:10 -!- j^_ [n=j@g225079151.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit ["cable cut"] 19:13 < wikibugs> (mod) Common watchlists - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21223 +comment (domas.mituzas) 19:15 < ^demon> domas: Related changes has been a decent workaround for a long time. People don't like it though :) 19:16 < domas> people are idiots 19:16 < domas> btw, I fixed your bug todayA 19:16 < domas> !!! 19:16 < mwbot> I don't know anything about "!!". 19:16 < domas> !!!! 19:16 < mwbot> I don't know anything about "!!!". 19:16 < ^demon> Of course, but knowing that doesn't stop them from asking for features :) 19:16 < ^demon> domas: I saw, thank you. 19:17 < domas> I was wondering why the heck we get all those slow queries 19:17 < domas> and who enabled them 19:17 < domas> then realized that configuration still had them disabled :) 19:17 * ^demon takes the blame and heads to the executioner ;-) 19:19 * freakolowsky sharpens his axe ... 19:19 < bobbarker> anyone know a template for a nice main wiki page 19:19 < bobbarker> start page 19:22 < ada_> hi guys, in a table, how having a clickable picture redirecting to an internal link? i tried lot of things without success. last try is [[File:Logo-linux.png | Linux]] but if click on picture i go to the picture itself as a file :s 19:24 -!- siebrand [n=beis@adsl-99-128-13-177.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #mediawiki 19:24 -!- Amgine [n=Amgine@wikinews/Amgine] has joined #Mediawiki 19:28 < ^demon> ada_: Use the link= parameter. 19:28 < ^demon> [[File:Image.png|link=Somepage]] 19:29 < ada_> ^demon: thanks ! 19:29 < ^demon> you're welcome. 19:29 -!- stephan48 [n=rjp@pdpc/supporter/student/stephan48] has joined #mediawiki 19:29 -!- RobH_ [n=RobH@216.38.133.254] has quit [] 19:30 -!- toxic [n=tie_n@141.30.229.251] has joined #mediawiki 19:31 < toxic> hello, could someone help me through the process for getting started to help wikimedia ? I'm a developper and I'm willing to take some tasks and code them for you... ;) 19:32 < ^demon> step 1: lose any bit of sanity you have left :) 19:32 < freakolowsky> while (true) { do_step_1; } 19:33 < ^demon> Step 2: Read the "How to become a Mediawiki hacker" on Mediawiki.org 19:33 < toxic> ;) 19:33 < toxic> how do I ever get to step 2 ? 19:34 < freakolowsky> step_1 has to throw out_of_sanity_exception 19:34 < MaxSem> no, it will throw invalid syntax exception;) 19:35 -!- AaronSchulz [n=chatzill@rbuv-164-107-249-247.resnet.ohio-state.edu] has joined #mediawiki 19:35 < MaxSem> cuz you forgot () 19:35 < freakolowsky> it's a builtin 19:36 < MaxSem> oh noes 19:36 < ^demon> toxic: Best advice (for real) is to hang around here, Bugzilla and Mediawiki.org. Contribute patches where you can :) 19:36 < ^demon> And get a copy of trunk running on your dev box of choice. 19:36 < toxic> ;) thanks ^demon 19:36 < toxic> Don't I have to register somewhere first ? 19:37 < MaxSem> no 19:37 -!- Prodego [n=Prodego@wikipedia/Prodego] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 19:37 -!- RobH_ [n=RobH@216.38.133.254] has joined #mediawiki 19:37 < freakolowsky> Peep-peep-cheereeoo for a new dev 19:37 < ^demon> Bugzilla requires signup, but that's painless. 19:37 < MaxSem> well, you'll have to register to post patches to Bugzilla, but that would be a bit later 19:37 < ^demon> Well, after the suited guys come and place the implants it's painless. 19:38 < freakolowsky> ^demon that's what my dentist always says ... and i still don't believe him 19:38 < ^demon> I hate the dentist. 19:39 < MaxSem> the really important part is to pick a few right pieces to work on first 19:39 < MaxSem> not too tough, something you might be interested in 19:39 < ^demon> The parser not being one of those pieces :p 19:39 < freakolowsky> erm .... liiiiiike ... updater?! :D roflcopter! 19:40 < MaxSem> teh updater is ok 19:40 < MaxSem> ...relatively... 19:40 < ^demon> [some comment about updater rewriting being on my todo list] 19:40 < freakolowsky> if you use Mysql, SqlLite or postgres 19:40 < Amgine> dumpImporter 19:40 < MaxSem> freakolowsky will just have to write alll those patches for his backend ^-^ 19:40 -!- Bryan [n=launch@wikimedia-commons/Bryan] has joined #mediawiki 19:40 < freakolowsky> grrrrrrrrr 19:41 < MaxSem> is Oracle's syntax THAT different from MySQL? 19:41 < toxic> it shouldn't be... 19:41 < freakolowsky> erm ... kind of ... 19:41 < Amgine> Qebecois vs Parisian French. 19:42 < MaxSem> ...are still mutually intelligible.. 19:42 < toxic> a huge part in common... and slight differences, that can make your life a Hell... 19:42 < ^demon> Amgine: Haven't you used that analogy before? I'm getting deja vu... 19:42 < Amgine> Uhm, not always MaxSem. 19:42 < MaxSem> though both speakers will probably see each other as an uneducated bum 19:42 -!- siebrand [n=beis@adsl-99-128-13-177.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [] 19:42 < ^demon> (either that or I'm going insane, which is also a possibility) 19:43 < Amgine> ^demon: I haven't but I've heard French speakers use it. 19:43 < Amgine> <- Plagiarizes freely and often 19:43 < freakolowsky> ^demon 'bout both? 19:43 * ^demon sighs 19:43 < toxic> Hey, there are some french-speaking peaple here ? 19:44 < freakolowsky> if you consider a corny phrase as "speaking french" ... then yes :D 19:44 < toxic> -a+o 19:44 -!- siebrand [n=beis@adsl-99-182-232-57.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #mediawiki 19:44 < ^demon> I understand it better than I speak it. 19:45 < toxic> Canada-Power ! Or the last hope for French not to just disappear... 19:45 < freakolowsky> :D 19:45 < toxic> -Canada+Quebeq 19:45 < Amgine> 19:46 -!- wolog [n=wolog@AOrleans-152-1-91-88.w90-21.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 19:47 < freakolowsky> anyways ladies ... i'm off to a friendly match of "The Settlers of Catan" with a side order of beer and a visit of aunty Mary Jane :D 19:47 * toxic is french, and as all french people, he doesn't speek/read/write english very well.... What the hell does "mangles" means ? 19:47 < ^demon> Can someone commit some painkillers to trunk? I can't find anyone at work with a bottle of advil. 19:48 < toxic> I'd like to visit your aunt too ;) 19:48 < ^demon> toxic: It means "mess up" 19:49 < toxic> thx ^demon.... By the way, I have to say i kinda have a problem pith the "^" on your pseudo : I have a german keyboard... there is no such sign on it... 19:49 < freakolowsky> toxic ... you are alway invited ... 19:50 < toxic> freakolowsky: what country do you live in ? 19:50 < ^demon> toxic: Heh, you're not the first to complain. :) 19:50 < freakolowsky> Slovenia 19:51 < toxic> freakolowsky: ok, I'm in Germany, I can make it with my bike... but don't wait for me... ;) 19:51 -!- Mike||gone is now known as Mike_lifeguard 19:52 < ^demon> Speaking of bikes...I just noticed yesterday my workplace has bike racks. But we're not within biking distance of any residential areas. 19:52 < toxic> always useful... 19:52 < freakolowsky> ^demon: never doubt fanaticism of certain people :D 19:53 -!- p858snake|sleep [n=p858snak@unaffiliated/p858snake] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 19:53 < freakolowsky> ok ... nuff talk ... more play 19:53 < freakolowsky> l8r ppl ... 19:53 < freakolowsky> have a jolly fine night 19:54 < ^demon> Although it is a big Google-esque campus, maybe they think we'll bring bikes to exercise on campus? 19:54 < toxic> you know, maybe you can use those racks to... well, park the baby's pram... 19:54 < Amgine> Toxic: mangle from the noun mangle - a tool used to squeeze water out of laundry before hanging to dry, and which caused much harm to human flesh which became caught in its mechanisms. 19:54 < toxic> Amgine: ok, I see, thanks for the definition ! 19:54 -!- freakolowsky [n=jure@84-255-254-147.static.t-2.net] has quit ["i smoke two joints before i smoke two joints ... and then i smoke a little more"] 19:55 < Bryan> ^demon: where do you work? 19:55 < toxic> well, rest assured that you're not gonna squeeze any good ouf of the french language... ;) 19:55 < Amgine> If you teach me francais, I will teach English. 19:55 < ^demon> Bryan: I'm a contractor with Capital One 19:56 < CIA-81> siebrand * r58057 /trunk/extensions/CodeReview/ (CodeReview.i18n.php ui/CodeRevisionView.php): Remove lego in success/fail reporting of tests. 19:56 < toxic> Amgine: no point ion learning french... 19:56 < Amgine> I've moved to Canada! 19:56 < toxic> It's the worst language I ever learned ! 19:57 < AaronSchulz> I need to pick up French again 19:57 < toxic> Canadian people speek english... (which, by the way, is not true with french people...) 19:57 * MaxSem was going to learn another foreign language, was stuck between french and german 19:57 < ^demon> I should practice some before I go. 19:57 < AaronSchulz> half of my motivation is the Concorde Fallacy ;) 19:57 < toxic> Si vous y tenez vraiment, on peut changer la langue officielle du chan :D 19:58 < MaxSem> \u0448\u043e? 19:58 < Mike_lifeguard> toxic: Canada is a bilingual country, and we have many other language minorities which aren't official languages. 19:58 < ^demon> Official channel language is now Tagalog. Enjoy. 19:59 * Mike_lifeguard uses a non-official language 19:59 < Mike_lifeguard> HA! 19:59 < toxic> Mike_lifeguard: I know that, but fact is that most canadian understand english... Maybe because it's one of the official languages, maybe it the reason why english became one of the official languages... 20:00 < toxic> !topic 20:00 < mwbot> I don't know anything about "topic". You might try: !#mediawiki !tooquiet 20:00 -!- bobinabottle [n=bobinabo@217.138.5.2] has quit [] 20:00 < MaxSem> !tooloud 20:00 < mwbot> I don't know anything about "tooloud". 20:00 < MaxSem> bah 20:00 -!- pscheie [n=pscheie@173-11-39-65-Minnesota.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 20:01 < toxic> !don't you know anything ? 20:01 < mwbot> I don't know anything about "don't". You might try: !ancient !ask !audit !botinfo !botnoob !cms !cooluris !downgrade !lazy !nullpath !subpages !tooquiet !welcome 20:01 < ^demon> Walang sinuman dito ang nagsasalita ng Tagalog? 20:01 < toxic> !ask meaning of life 20:01 < mwbot> Don't say "I have a question", or ask "Is anyone around?" or "Can anyone help?". Just ask the question, and someone will help you if they can. See also: !gethelp 20:01 -!- bobbarker [n=gt@38.112.182.5] has left #mediawiki ["Leaving"] 20:01 < toxic> damn, awaited answer was 42... 20:01 < Amgine> toxic: cha^ines wikimedia sont multilingues. 20:02 < ^demon> toxic: !ask is the command we use when people go "I've got a question" 20:02 < toxic> I got that... ;) 20:03 -!- trev [n=trev@205.158.109.36.ptr.us.xo.net] has joined #mediawiki 20:04 -!- surfzoid [n=surfzoid@LAubervilliers-151-12-29-126.w193-252.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 20:04 * MaxSem wonders what to do next 20:05 < ^demon> Abstract the schema. 20:05 < Amgine> establish world peace. Easier. 20:06 -!- Unlimited [n=unlimite@blk-11-99-53.eastlink.ca] has joined #mediawiki 20:06 -!- Unlimited is now known as Guest85601 20:07 < CIA-81> siebrand * r58058 /trunk/extensions/CodeReview/ui/CodeRevisionView.php: 20:07 < CIA-81> Follow-up to r58057 20:07 < CIA-81> * format numbers 20:07 < CIA-81> * change parseinline to parse 20:07 < MaxSem> Can't abstract schema, Domas will eat me 20:07 < domas> om nom nom 20:07 < domas> you can abstract schema 20:07 < domas> if you don't break anything 20:07 < domas> har har har 20:08 < ^demon> domas eats features, not people :) 20:08 < ^demon> (I hope) 20:09 < CIA-81> aaron * r58059 /branches/wmf-deployment/extensions/FlaggedRevs/maintenance/wikimedia-periodic-update.sh: Restored r56352; lost by accident (likely the deployment branch rebuild) 20:09 -!- Thrake [n=Thrake@dslb-094-218-199-225.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #mediawiki 20:09 < Thrake> hallo 20:10 < Thrake> hello 20:10 < domas> maxsem: you've got balls! pulling off sqlite support is nice thing :) 20:11 < ialex> ^demon: :D 20:11 < CIA-81> leon * r58060 /trunk/tools/planet/de/config.ini: removing my dead blog 20:11 < MaxSem> it wasn't that hard 20:11 < MaxSem> though now i 20:12 < MaxSem> I'll have to bisect through several dozens ov SQLite versions 20:12 < domas> hehe 20:12 < Thrake> can anybody help me? 20:12 < MaxSem> to find out where that data corruption was fixed 20:12 < MaxSem> !ask 20:12 < mwbot> Don't say "I have a question", or ask "Is anyone around?" or "Can anyone help?". Just ask the question, and someone will help you if they can. See also: !gethelp 20:12 < domas> thrake: wtf? 20:13 < Thrake> i have media Wiki installed on a System 20:13 < Thrake> I can use it, writing some article and like that 20:13 < Thrake> but 20:13 < siebrand> werdna: you here? 20:14 < siebrand> werdna: there's some confusion on the use of message hey lqt_permalink 20:14 < Thrake> things, that I know from wikipedia doesn't work 20:14 < siebrand> message key, even 20:14 < siebrand> werdna: could you point me to a page that uses it? Translators think it is followed by a parameter that is not part of the message. 20:14 < Thrake> after googling, i found, that I need for some "Shortcuts" some Extensions 20:14 < ^demon> Thrake: You'll have to be more specific. Like what doesn't work? 20:14 < Thrake> for example 20:15 < siebrand> werdna: doesn't look like that to me looking at the code, but I may be wrong. That may also mean that the current wording is misleading. 20:15 < Thrake> 20:15 < siebrand> werdna: LiquidThreads\classes\View.php 20:15 < MaxSem> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:SyntaxHighlight_GeSHi 20:15 < Thrake> to colored specific C++ Keywords 20:15 < ^demon> Thrake: Install that extension ^^^ 20:15 < Guest85601> Do any of you guys know if there is an exploit with the image in the top left corner? A wiki I go on now gives me a virius warning - HTML/Framer - and the image doesn't show up. Would it have gotten hacked or what? 20:15 < siebrand> werdna: also see http://translatewiki.net/wiki/Support#Lqt_permalink in case I'm not here when you are able to look into it :) 20:16 < MaxSem> Guest85601, such hacks often happen on shared hosts 20:16 < Ryan_Lane> Guest85601: there is a possibility that the wiki in question got hacked, and had the image replaced with a virus laden one 20:16 < MaxSem> they usually have nothing with MediaWiki, the virus just modifies all php files it can find 20:16 < Ryan_Lane> well, the host got hacked anyway :) 20:17 -!- AaronSchulz is now known as Aaron|away 20:17 -!- SPQRobin [n=Robin@wikimedia/SPQRobin] has joined #mediawiki 20:17 < Thrake> thank you ^demon, I try to install it... 20:17 < Guest85601> So replacing the image with a normal virsu one should fix the problem or would Mediawiki have ot be reinstalled? 20:17 < Guest85601> *normal non-virus 20:17 -!- Pathoschild [n=Jesse@wikimedia/Pathoschild] has joined #mediawiki 20:18 < ^demon> Ryan_Lane: There's also the possibility that the virus scanner is being over-protective :p 20:18 < Ryan_Lane> ^demon: that too 20:18 < Ryan_Lane> google may let you know if the site is virus infected 20:18 < Guest85601> It's happening to multiple people with different AV's 20:19 < ^demon> I stopped using a virus scanner on my windows machine like 3 years ago, never had a single problem :) 20:19 < Ryan_Lane> at least you think you never had a problem :) 20:19 < Ryan_Lane> i stopped using windows like 3 yeats ago, and never had a single problem :) 20:19 < Ryan_Lane> years too 20:19 -!- Marco27 [n=Marco27@wikipedia/Marco27] has joined #mediawiki 20:19 < MaxSem> ^demon, me too 20:20 < ^demon> Hehe, I've sinced ditched that laptop anyway. 20:20 < Guest85601> If the site got hacked though, would it be noral for the problem only to be on the main page? 20:20 < MaxSem> (recently installed an antivirus for a brief time, found no evil) 20:20 < ^demon> Laptop met Mr Hammer after I got my Mac. 20:20 < MaxSem> what did I do wrong? 20:20 -!- Aaron|away [n=chatzill@rbuv-164-107-249-247.resnet.ohio-state.edu] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.3/20090824101458]"] 20:20 < Ryan_Lane> Guest85601: if it got hacked, you need to replace everything. worst part is, it may get reinfected if it is on a shared host that is infected 20:21 -!- Guest85601 [n=unlimite@blk-11-99-53.eastlink.ca] has quit ["Thanks"] 20:21 < Ryan_Lane> Guest85601: you should probably scan all uploaded files too 20:21 < ^demon> Ryan_Lane: He quit ;) 20:21 -!- flubub118 [n=Flubub@dslb-094-217-108-190.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #mediawiki 20:22 * Ryan_Lane mumbles 20:23 -!- Aaron|away [n=chatzill@rbuv-164-107-249-247.resnet.ohio-state.edu] has joined #mediawiki 20:23 < Ryan_Lane> anyone know if it is possible to run the mwembed gadget stuff on a non-MWF wiki? 20:23 < ^demon> I would assume so. 20:24 < ^demon> Try and see :) 20:24 < Ryan_Lane> someone on twitter is asking me. 20:24 -!- cps0 [n=cps0@143.107.109.46] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 20:24 < ^demon> Tell them to try and see. 20:24 < Ryan_Lane> heh 20:25 < ^demon> I vaguely remember enabling it when new-upload was still under development. 20:25 < ^demon> I don't remember really trying to use it though. 20:26 -!- Jinx [n=Jinx@adsl-99-190-87-234.dsl.klmzmi.sbcglobal.net] has quit ["reboot"] 20:26 < Ryan_Lane> ah. looking at commons, it looks like it can be used 20:26 < Ryan_Lane> since it just pulls from prototype 20:27 < ^demon> Ew, yet another discussion about StringFunctions. 20:28 < Ryan_Lane> i wish that thread about replacing templates with a proper programming language went somewhere 20:29 -!- ThomasV [n=ThomasV@argon.loria.fr] has quit ["Leaving"] 20:29 < ^demon> Of course it won't. enwiki is really good about making half-baked requests and being pissy when they're told no. They're much worse at actually helping solve problems. 20:30 -!- Lapper [n=Lapper@wikimedia/lapper] has joined #mediawiki 20:30 < Ryan_Lane> I think that thread was actually started by brion :) 20:30 < ^demon> I was referring to the current thread on enwiki, not the wikitech-l one. 20:30 < Ryan_Lane> ahhh ok 20:31 -!- Hosiryuhosi_ [n=Hosiryuh@wikipedia/Hosiryuhosi] has quit ["Leaving..."] 20:31 < Ryan_Lane> i rarely edit wikipedia, so I never see that stuff :) 20:32 < ^demon> I keep track of the tech village pump, that's about it. 20:32 -!- Brack10 [n=tbracket@66.35.2.50] has joined #mediawiki 20:32 < Brack10> Hi 20:32 < wikibugs> (mod) Run cleanupTitles.php and cleanupImages.php on any wikis with unicode whitespace in page/file names - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20741 +comment (yann) 20:32 < Brack10> I want to put some

 text, 3 lines long in the middle of a numbered list, but it messes up my numbering...anyone?
20:32 < ^demon> Ryan_Lane: I've got better things to do with my time, to be honest.
20:33 < Ryan_Lane> better things than wikipedia?
20:33  * Ryan_Lane scoffs
20:33 < ^demon> Better things than edit enwiki, at least
20:33 < ^demon> ;-)
20:33 < Ryan_Lane> heh
20:34 < Thrake> ^demon: Thanks for the Link! Now it is Working!
20:34 < Ryan_Lane> i've been wanting to write some articles on my city lately, but am betting they'll get deleted in short order
20:34 < ^demon> Thrake: You're welcome.
20:34 < ^demon> Ryan_Lane: probably
20:35 < ^demon> I've been wanting to go photo hunting for my town...just haven't had the time.
20:35 < ^demon> Lots of great history here.
20:36 < CIA-81> ialex * r58061 /trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/DefaultSettings.php includes/User.php): * (bug 21172) $wgSorbsUrl can now be an array with multiple DNSBL
20:37 < Ryan_Lane> i'll probably have time one of these days, and I'll start posting stuff, and try to keep it un-deleted
20:37 < MaxSem> HAHAHA! If you don't submit and activate those cute functions (along with RegexFunctions and whatever else, of course), we will do THIS: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Str_find/logic&action=edit
20:37 < wikibugs> (FIXED) Allow $wgEnableSorbs to check multiple RBLs by defining $wgSorbsURL as an array - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21172  +comment (alex.emsenhuber)
20:37 < Ryan_Lane> MaxSem: I think I just threw up a little
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20:38 < ^demon> MaxSem: I've had half a mind to go nuke those abominations.
20:38 < Ryan_Lane> *that* would definitely get deleted from my wiki if a user did it :). I'd then find them and strangle them.
20:38 < MaxSem> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Str_find gee
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20:39 < Ryan_Lane> then I'd probably install stringfunctions and regexfunctions, but I have a smaller wiki :)
20:40 < MaxSem> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:WPBannerMeta&action=edit
20:41 < Skizzerz> yay regexfunctions
20:41 < Skizzerz> and stringfunctions
20:41 < Skizzerz> wm should have the latter enabled at least for the amount that they use it
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20:42 < ^demon> Or enwiki could stop trying to make wikitext do things its not designed to do.
20:42 < Beau_> Is there an API function Nl-neon.ogg\u200e that allows retrival of information like: (Ogg Vorbis sound file, length 1.3s, 99kbps)?
20:42 < Skizzerz> ^demon: yes, but good luck with that
20:43 < ^demon> Skizzerz: Just because enwiki does something stupid doesn't mean we need to cave to their absurd demands.
20:43 < ^demon> Wikitext was never designed to be a programming language.
20:43 < ^demon> Stop trying to make it one.
20:43 < Skizzerz> excuse me while I laugh at your incredible understatement
20:43 < Skizzerz> you said "something stupid", which generally implies one thing
20:44 < Yojojo> is the possibility available for mediawiki to have an api linking to a net translator available, so if a user wants research on a subject where their local wiki doesn't have an article, but another does, they can translate without leaving the interface?
20:44 < Skizzerz> I agree wikitext is not a programming language
20:44 < Brack10> So yeah, how can I insert 5 lines of preformatted text intoa  numbered list without breaking the order?
20:44 < ^demon> Skizzerz: This is one particular "something stupid." There's plenty of other somethings that have happened :p
20:44 < Skizzerz> ok, that works :P
20:45 < Yojojo> I've tried to pass wiki article url's through google translate and babelfish, both of which won't do them.
20:45 < Brack10> like "step one, make sure your config file looks like this:  big block of text Step two, you're done!"
20:45 < Skizzerz> Brack10: use HTML instead of wikitext
20:46  * MaxSem is delighted to see that {{sort}} is at least not bubblesort:P
20:46 < Brack10> ok
20:46 < Brack10> thanks
20:47 < Brack10> Skizzerz: Works great
20:47 < Brack10> tx
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20:54 < wikibugs> (mod) signature jumping up into text - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21248  (JimWae)
20:56 < Bryan> ^demon: I'd dare to say that "Wikitext was never designed."
20:56 < ^demon> Hehe
20:56 < ^demon> It was born.
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20:56 < ^demon> And it was a very ugly baby.
20:57 < Ryan_Lane> with the exception of templates and tables, I like wikitext. i want to scream every time i have to use  WYSIWYG
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20:58 < Yojojo> ^demon: it wasn't hit with the ugly stick, it was whittled from the ugly tree :)
20:58 < paultag> Hey guys. I have a question about parsing Wikipedia pages.
20:59 < ^demon> http://anyonecanedit.org/blog/2009/10/on-wikitext/
20:59 < ^demon> ^ shameless self-promotion
20:59 < paultag> I want to crawl pages for a research project I am doing in Swarm Behavior / AI. I Want to play nice with Wikipedia, does anyone have insight as how to do this the right way (tm) ?
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21:01 < Harmageddon> Hi guys! I've got a problem with the extension ReaderFeedback (link to discussion: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension_talk:ReaderFeedback#Database_Error ) Can you help me?
21:01 < paultag> Anyone? Bueller?
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21:02 < Ryan_Lane> paultag: which perspective are you asking from?
21:03 < Ryan_Lane> paultag: trying not to get banned? trying to parse the text? how you should actually pull the text?
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21:03 < paultag> Ryan_Lane, Not get banned. I can do the rest, I just want to play nice with Wikipedia
21:03 < Ryan_Lane> paultag: are you looking to just get the text, or associated info, like who has contributed to the text?
21:03 < paultag> Ryan_Lane, just the text
21:04 < paultag> Ryan_Lane, I am working with auto-sorting swarms lately. I was thinking of using the pages to mine a simple default network setup
21:04 < paultag> Ryan_Lane, I don't want to cause stress Wikipedia side, and I want to do this the right way ( from the Wikipedia server side )
21:05 < Ryan_Lane> paultag: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Bots/Requests_for_approval
21:05 < Ryan_Lane> that might not be the right page
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21:06 < Ryan_Lane> paultag: i think that page is for editing bots...
21:06 < paultag> Ryan_Lane, my theory here is that it takes a lot of processor time to render the page -- I was wondering if there was an API that would output the raw text of document X
21:06 < Ryan_Lane> paultag: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/API
21:06 < StevenW> Anyone know where I could get the skinny on importing from a CSV file? 
21:06 < paultag> Ryan_Lane, Robots.txt gives an increment of 1 second -- it would take months to parse the HTML side of Wikipedia
21:06 < StevenW> This is empty: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Importing_external_content
21:07 < paultag> Ryan_Lane, Awesome! Thank you :)
21:07 < ^demon> Hahaha, I got a spam message that had the words "This is NOT spam" as the first line.
21:07 < ^demon> 
21:07 < MaxSem> paultag, also http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Dumps
21:08 < paultag> MaxSem, Do you know offhand how large the dump is?
21:08 < CIA-81> skizzerz * r58062 /trunk/extensions/RegexFunctions/RegexFunctions.php: * bugfix so disabling functions actually works properly
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21:09 < Ryan_Lane> paultag: usually giant
21:09 < MaxSem> http://download.wikimedia.org/enwiki/20091017/
21:09 < paultag> MaxSem, that's it!
21:09 < paultag> MaxSem, and only 5 GB :)
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21:10 < paultag> MaxSem, Ryan_Lane, Thanks a ton guys :) Hopefully this pans out :)
21:10 < Ryan_Lane> you're welcome. have fun
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21:11 < Ryan_Lane> paultag: i think amazon has the dumps as public data sets if you want to do it on EC2
21:11 < paultag> Ryan_Lane, Will do, with any luck this should be enough for another paper :)
21:11 < paultag> Ryan_Lane, Oh interesting. 
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21:12 < ^demon> I could write a paper on "trying to import full enwiki history"
21:13 < Ryan_Lane> ^demon: i haven't tried it personally, but I've heard many failings of others :)
21:13 < paultag> ^demon, well, I'm only going for creating AI by kick-starting emergent behavior using a mined network startup. Wahoo ants! :)
21:14 < ^demon> Ryan_Lane: I wasted several saturdays trying.
21:14 < Ryan_Lane> heh
21:14 < ^demon> its not impossible, of course.
21:15 < ^demon> Just a whole lot of head banging.
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21:15 < Ryan_Lane> yeah, tons of ad-laden wikipedia mirrors proves that :)
21:15 < paultag> Well I'm going to squeeze every bit out of this pipe. I'll be back, even if it's just to show it off :)
21:16 < paultag> Thanks a ton guys
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21:16 < CIA-81> ialex * r58063 /trunk/phase3/RELEASE-NOTES: Moving entry about new hook to correct section
21:16 < CIA-81> raymond * r58064 /trunk/ (98 files in 47 dirs): Localisation updates for core and extension messages from translatewiki.net (2009-10-22 18:45 UTC)
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21:17 < Harmageddon> Hi guys! I've got a problem with the extension ReaderFeedback (link to discussion: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension_talk:ReaderFeedback#Database_Error ) Can you help me?
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21:25 < ^demon> Longest. Friday. Ever.
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21:27 < brion> friiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiidaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyy
21:28 < Yojojo> evening brion. You free for a moment?
21:28 < ialex> hey brion
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21:28 < brion> what's up?
21:28 < ^demon> brion: too bad its not payday too
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21:29 < Yojojo> Just an idea i had, not sure how to present it to mediawiki. Thought i'd run it by someone first.
21:29 < CIA-81> raymond * r58065 /trunk/extensions/GlobalBlocking/GlobalBlocking.i18n.php: Fix message: IP addresses can be blocked only.
21:29 < Yojojo> i'll pm it to you, read as and when you've got a moment.
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21:50 < Harmageddon> Hello?
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21:50 < Rgoodermote> Whatcha need Harmageddon?
21:50 < Harmageddon> I've got a problem with the extension ReaderFeedback (link to discussion: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension_talk:ReaderFeedback#Database_Error ) Can you help me?
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21:50 < Bryan> what should I do when I have added a new message?
21:51 < MaxSem> Harmageddon, that extension's author is Aaron|away, but he's... away
21:51 < MaxSem> if you've got the latest version, why just dont you just post it to bugzilla
21:51 < Rgoodermote> Harmageddon, did you install the proper tables?
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21:52 < Harmageddon> yes, i have
21:53 < Harmageddon> MaxSem: what should I post to bugzilla?
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21:54 < Rgoodermote> Haramgeddon: The SQL error and how to replicate it, what you did to install the extension, your Wiki version and the version number of the extension.
21:55 < Rgoodermote> Error 1052 however is an erro that says you have two columns with the same name.
21:55 < Rgoodermote> error*
21:56 < MaxSem> botched up install?
21:56 < Rgoodermote> Most likely.
21:58 < Rgoodermote> Curious as to how, maybe best to delete the database in phpmyadmin and then recreate it again in phpmyadmin instead of the command line.
21:58 < Rgoodermote> If that is what he did to begin with, they he'd want to copy the SQL file and place it into the textarea. Same error, try and earlier version of the extension.
21:58 < Rgoodermote> an*
21:59 < Rgoodermote> He may also have an out of date php version, however you'd have to be really out of date for such an issue.
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22:01 < Harmageddon> you mean, I should delete the tables of readerfeedback and then execute the sql-files in phpmyadmin?
22:01 < Rgoodermote> Yeap.
22:01 < Rgoodermote> Try that, see if that helps.
22:01 < Harmageddon> and what sql-file first?
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22:02 < Rgoodermote> There is only one
22:02 < Rgoodermote> ReaderFeedback.sql
22:02 < Harmageddon> and ReaderFeedback.pg.sql
22:02 < Rgoodermote> That is an alternative.
22:03 < Rgoodermote> Could explain your error.
22:04 < OverlordQ> only run one
22:04 < Rgoodermote> Run ReaderFeedback.sql only.
22:04 < OverlordQ> ReaderFeedback.sql is for MySQL, the other file is for a different database
22:04 < Rgoodermote> Explains how he got a 1052 error if he some how got that into MySQL, he'd get that.
22:04 < Harmageddon> and what does this mean? "Replace /*$wgDBTableOptions*/ with the correct options"
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22:05 < Harmageddon> what are the correct options?
22:05 < Rgoodermote> Where are you reading that?
22:05 < CIA-81> btongminh * r58066 /trunk/phase3/ (6 files in 4 dirs): 
22:05 < CIA-81> * Updated upload hooks documentation
22:05 < CIA-81> * Allow users to submit a modified file description without ignoring warnings
22:05 < Harmageddon> in the sql-file
22:05 < Rgoodermote> Ignore it.
22:06 < Rgoodermote> The install instructions say nothing about changing any options.
22:06 < Harmageddon> ok
22:06 < Rgoodermote> Also, make sure you have GD.
22:06 < OverlordQ> welll likely because it's not expecting you to run the SQL by hand
22:07 < Rgoodermote> Most of them do not.
22:07 < Rgoodermote> However the command line some times can botch an install, so a hand install is usually the best alternative.
22:07 < OverlordQ> so that'd noramllly get replace with like ENGINE=InnoDB or maybe specifying encoding options as well
22:07 < Harmageddon> same error
22:08 < Rgoodermote> Try an older version, install from command line.
22:08 < Rgoodermote> ...as I look I see no older version...
22:09 < Harmageddon> :D
22:10 < Rgoodermote> Hm, I just installed it on my sandbox Wiki..and I get no error. I hand copied ReaderFeedback.sql
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22:13 < CIA-81> raymond * r58067 /trunk/phase3/maintenance/language/messages.inc: Follow-up r58066: Add new messages to maintenance scripts
22:16 < Harmageddon> I don't find the mistake
22:19 < Rgoodermote> Harmageddon: Are you sure you deleted every database that refers to readerfeedback and at the same did you install the database table in the same place as the Wiki's database?
22:19 < Rgoodermote> Also, you may want to open that bug report.
22:19 < Harmageddon> there are three databases. is this right?
22:20 < Harmageddon> what bug report?
22:20 < Rgoodermote> I thought you were opening a bugzilla report.
22:21 < Rgoodermote> And yes, three tables is right.
22:21 < Harmageddon> what have i to do for this?
22:21 < Rgoodermote> They'll be able to tell you what is going on faster than we can.
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22:23 < Harmageddon> yes, but how do I get such a report?
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22:24 < Rgoodermote> I'll file it.
22:25 < Rgoodermote> What is your Wiki version?
22:26 < Rgoodermote> and MySQL, you can get those at Special:version
22:27 < Harmageddon> mediawiki: 1.15.1
22:27 < Harmageddon> MySQL: 5.0.77mm0.1-log
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22:28 < exercicio> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgHashedUploadDirectory if I disable it after uploading images, will pages still display the images?
22:28 < wikibugs> (NEW) 1052 Database error - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21258 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: ReaderFeedback; (Rgoodermote)
22:29 < Rgoodermote> Man I love that but.
22:29 < Rgoodermote> bot*
22:30 < Rgoodermote> Haramgeddon a bug report has been filed, here https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21258, bookmark it and keep track.
22:30 < Bryan> Raymond_: is your $wgUseExternalEditor false?
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22:30 < Bryan> it certainly is not related to that recent revision
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22:33 < Raymond_> Bryan: lemme check it on my local wiki too
22:35 < Harmageddon> Rgoodermote: Thanks a lot. And some day somebody will post a solution there?
22:35 < Rgoodermote> Some day? It's usually an hour or two.
22:35 < Harmageddon> :) well, that's great
22:35 < Rgoodermote> By the way, bugzilla is a last resort.
22:35 < Harmageddon> thanks
22:35 < Rgoodermote> Welcome.
22:37 < ialex> Bryan: for r57868, I think it'd be better to call $this->loadRequest() in SpecalUpload::execute() rather than SpecialUpload::__construct()
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22:38 < Bryan> perhaps, yeah
22:38 < ialex> an instance of SpecialUpload can be created even when not calling Special:Upload
22:39 < Raymond_> Bryan: reupload works for me locally. will check config of translatewiki later
22:39 < ialex> imho this happen when viewing Special:SpecialPages and maybe some other things
22:39 < Bryan> about the edittools thing, it's something with js2
22:40 < CIA-81> ialex * r58068 /trunk/ (2 files in 2 dirs): moving SpecialUploadMogile.php from phase3/includes/specials to extensions/MogileClient, that file doesn't work without that extension, and it won't work with current code of Special:Upload
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22:41 < Bryan> which I have no idea how to fix, because the js code is totally mangled
22:43 < Bryan> who decided that it is a good idea to remove all spaces from javascript?
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22:43 < Bryan> it totally makes debugging impossible
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22:57 < AryehGregor> Bryan, been discussed, yeah.  A good solution would a) allow the use of un-minified JS with a query parameter, and b) preferably not remove newlines, so you could at least match up lines reasonable well.
22:57 < AryehGregor> reasonably well.
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23:00 < Bryan> or as a user setting
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23:01 < MacMed> #wikimedia-commons
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23:01 < MacMed> sorry, forgot /j :P
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23:07 < Rgoodermote> Hey, guys, how do you change what the Main Page is again? I can't remember how or were to find out how again.
23:07 < Rgoodermote> Explanaton may be needed, I don't want the first page to be /mainpage.
23:07 < Rgoodermote> Main_Page*
23:08 < Mike_lifeguard> !mainpage
23:08 < mwbot> To change which page is the "main page" of your wiki, edit MediaWiki:Mainpage. 
23:08 < Rgoodermote> Thanks.
23:08 < Rgoodermote> And I really love that bot...
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23:09  * Mike_lifeguard has it /ignored :)
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23:10 < Rgoodermote> I think I am probably the only one who doesn't like to use /ignored on IRC...
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23:12 < Amgine>  /ignores Rgoodermote
23:12 < AryehGregor> I hate using /ignore.
23:12 < AryehGregor> I recently felt forced to ignore someone for the first time in at least a year or so, I think.  It made me sad.
23:12 < Rgoodermote> I don't care how annoying some one is, /ignore is really too rude.
23:13 < AryehGregor> You don't have to *say* you're ignoring them.
23:14 < Rgoodermote> I know, but each of us haas personal rules. I prefer to deal with those who annoy me, if I ignore everyone who ignores me I won't be able to deal with those who ignore me offline.
23:14 < Rgoodermote> has*
23:14 < Rgoodermote> annoy me offline*
23:14 < Amgine>  There's a user who uses a bot to play trivia games. I sometimes ignore that user just so the cache doesn't scroll too fast. I wish I could ignore the bot too, but I need it as a tool.
23:15 < Rgoodermote> Alright, now I'll ignore the trivia bots..have plenty of those on my list.
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23:18 < CIA-81> adam * r58069 /trunk/extensions/UsabilityInitiative/images/wikiEditor/toolbar/ (format-indent.png indent.png): adding a new indent toolbar icon
23:19 < CIA-81> adam * r58070 /trunk/extensions/UsabilityInitiative/EditToolbar/ (EditToolbar.js EditToolbar.min.js EditToolbar.php): Adding the indent icon to the edit toolbar
23:19 < Rgoodermote> Hm, MediaWiki:Mainpage is failing to direct it to my new chosen title..and cache is disabled...odd.
23:28 < Amgine> browser cache?
23:28 < Rgoodermote> Cleared
23:29 < Rgoodermote> Hm, rather odd.
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23:30 < Amgine> ?action=purge ??
23:30 < Rgoodermote> Done.
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23:30 < Rgoodermote> It was going to be for looks, so it's not important.
23:30 < Amgine> Drop tables * ?
23:30 < Amgine> 
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23:31 < Rgoodermote> Yeah, no, best to not do that.
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23:33 < CIA-81> raymond * r58071 /trunk/extensions/GlobalBlocking/ (GlobalBlocking.i18n.php SpecialGlobalBlockList.php): Add a 'no rseult' message.
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23:34 < Mike_lifeguard> werdna: I should be able to set values in the globalblocking form with &wpAddress=127.0.0.1&wpExpiryOther=two%20months&wpReason=testing%20this%20script&wpAnonOnly=0 right?
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10:22 < BradLee> Ok. So CSS is a no go then? 10:22 < Natalie> Hmm, CSS might work. 10:22 < Natalie> Padding on the