--- Log opened Sun Oct 25 00:00:13 2009 00:00 -!- PDD [i=PDD@wikipedia/PDD] has quit [Connection timed out] 00:06 -!- Taskman [n=Taskman@87.13.75.64] has joined #mediawiki 00:06 -!- Taskman [n=Taskman@87.13.75.64] has left #mediawiki [] 00:06 -!- freakolowsky [n=jure@84-255-254-147.static.t-2.net] has quit ["BitchX-1.1-final -- just do it."] 00:07 -!- zrh [n=zrh@dynamic-80-242-196-215.catv.glattnet.ch] has joined #mediawiki 00:08 -!- SPQRobin [n=Robin@wikimedia/SPQRobin] has joined #mediawiki 00:08 < CIA-81> aaron * r58104 /trunk/phase3/includes/HistoryPage.php: Follow-up r57470: Add show/hide links for users that can view deleted revisions but not delete them 00:08 -!- JeroenDeDauw [n=Admin@d51538211.access.telenet.be] has joined #mediawiki 00:09 < Tuxedo_> Actually, I think I need tu run most maintenence scripts with the matching $wgDBadminuser and $wgDBadminpassword for the correct wiki. I have a wiki family. How do I do this? 00:10 < Tuxedo_> I have different LocalSettings_somewiki.php for each wiki. 00:11 < Tuxedo_> So before running a maintenance script I set the relevant enviroment variable, eg: 00:11 -!- simNIX [n=simNIX@156-60.bbned.dsl.internl.net] has quit ["Ik ga weg"] 00:11 < Tuxedo_> SERVER_NAME=www.mysexywiki.com 00:11 < Tuxedo_> export SERVER_NAME 00:13 < Platonides> Tuxedo_, there is a paramete (--wiki I think) to point to the relevant localsettings.php 00:13 < Platonides> there's also an env variable 00:13 -!- |tpocra| [n=kvirc@71.255.160.63] has joined #mediawiki 00:15 < RoanKattouw> Tuxedo_: Use --conf=path/to/LocalSettings.php 00:16 < Tuxedo_> No such paramenter, at least not according to php importImages.php --help, but I guess its not documented there. 00:16 < RoanKattouw> Tuxedo_: Only added recently, not sure how this is done in 1.15 00:16 < Platonides> perhaps MW_CONFIG_PATH 00:17 < Tuxedo_> So --conf applies to all maintenance scripts? Or MW_CONFIG_PATH. Does that apply to 1.15.1? 00:18 < Tuxedo_> Otherwise I can manually change AdminSettings.php MySQL user/pass whenever running a maintenance script. 00:18 < Tuxedo_> No big deal! 00:18 < Platonides> I don't think --conf applies to 1.15.1 00:18 < Platonides> that was probably added on the maintenance reconfiguring 00:18 -!- JeroenDeDauw1 [n=Admin@d51538306.access.telenet.be] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 00:18 < Platonides> the env var should work 00:19 -!- dehaeL [n=dhl@188-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 00:19 < Tuxedo_> OK. Manually it is or I try the env MW_CONFIG_PATH. Btw. Did anyone click on mysexywiki.com ? 00:21 < Platonides> uh? Firefox can't find the server at www.mysexywiki.com 00:22 < Tuxedo_> I just wanted to know who did! Probably due to the thousands of clicks p/second! 00:23 < zrh> Question: What's the easiest way to get single MW command such as edit article or show print version when creating a new theme? 00:24 -!- Uttar [n=uttar@48.48-247-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has quit [] 00:26 -!- tpocra [n=kvirc@pool-71-255-168-248.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 00:26 -!- Juandev [n=kvirc@90.177.135.141] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 00:27 < Tuxedo_> In fact, the domain doesn't exist (yet!). 00:29 -!- siebrand [n=beis@216.239.45.19] has joined #mediawiki 00:36 -!- HeXiLeD [n=H3X@unaffiliated/hexiled] has joined #mediawiki 00:38 -!- anomie [n=brad@wikimedia/anomie] has quit ["Leaving"] 00:43 < wikibugs> (mod) Special:Revisiondelete: disable revision/difflink if user cannot see the content - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21265 summary (JSchulz_4587) 00:43 -!- MaxSem [n=max@wikimedia/MaxSem] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 00:45 < CIA-81> aaron * r58105 /trunk/phase3/includes/specials/SpecialRevisiondelete.php: bug 21265 Special:Revisiondelete: disable revision/difflink if user cannot see the content 00:45 < wikibugs> (FIXED) Special:Revisiondelete: disable revision/difflink if user cannot see the content - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21265 +comment (JSchulz_4587) 00:47 -!- Platonides [n=Platonid@wikipedia/Platonides] has quit [] 00:52 -!- Rdsmith4 [n=Rdsmith4@wikipedia/Rdsmith4] has quit ["."] 00:53 -!- stephan48 [n=rjp@pdpc/supporter/student/stephan48] has quit [Connection timed out] 00:53 -!- |tpocra| [n=kvirc@71.255.160.63] has quit [Read error: 148 (No route to host)] 00:56 -!- ThomasV [n=ThomasV@28.30.73-86.rev.gaoland.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 01:08 -!- dgts2 [n=dgts@p4FDB3DDD.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Client Quit] 01:10 -!- Thoku [n=Thoku@94-192-140-39.zone6.bethere.co.uk] has quit ["Leaving"] 01:15 -!- sreher [n=sreher@g226090145.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #mediawiki 01:17 -!- baleew [n=valery@ppp91-77-100-87.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #mediawiki 01:17 -!- baleew [n=valery@ppp91-77-100-87.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has left #mediawiki [] 01:19 < wikibugs> (mod) Improve hiding of usernames by looking for reverts with edit summaries containing the username - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18526 highest->normal (jayvdb) 01:23 -!- siebrand [n=beis@216.239.45.19] has quit [] 01:23 -!- exercicio [i=bd6697e4@gateway/web/freenode/x-ulwjutccwwlsvjbp] has joined #mediawiki 01:23 -!- Danwe [n=opera@p5B08BEC6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has left #mediawiki [] 01:23 < exercicio> what's wrong? pages in my wiki [[page]] show a link in the browser ins this form index.php/pagename 01:24 < exercicio> but that just reloads the same page 01:24 < zrh> exercicio: No nice URLs in your LocalSettings.php? 01:24 < exercicio> instead of going to that page 01:24 -!- luminoso [n=lumos@av-217-129-139-239.netvisao.pt] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 01:24 < exercicio> if I manually type index.php?title=pagename then the page loads 01:24 < zrh> Example page URL? 01:26 -!- rolly1975 [n=rory@90.201.89.90] has quit [Read error: 148 (No route to host)] 01:27 -!- apshields [n=apshield@ip70-188-59-85.rn.hr.cox.net] has joined #MediaWiki 01:29 -!- sreher_ [n=sreher@f053147154.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 01:30 -!- GerardM- [n=chatzill@dhcp-077-250-053-164.chello.nl] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 01:31 -!- rainman-sr [n=rainman@user-544522c7.lns4-c11.dsl.pol.co.uk] has quit ["Leaving"] 01:31 -!- Aaron|away [n=chatzill@rbuv-164-107-249-247.resnet.ohio-state.edu] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.3/20090824101458]"] 01:31 < exercicio> http://apostiladigital.freehostia.com/wiki/index.php/Enunciados_compartilhados http://apostiladigital.freehostia.com/wiki/index.php?title=Enunciados_compartilhados 01:33 -!- RoanKattouw [n=chatzill@dsl-087-195-147-187.solcon.nl] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 01:33 < exercicio> php/page is redirecting to mainpage 01:34 -!- zrh [n=zrh@dynamic-80-242-196-215.catv.glattnet.ch] has left #mediawiki [] 01:34 -!- ecstasia [n=ecs@unaffiliated/ecstasia] has quit [" ecstasia: you are absolteuely right on all points"] 01:37 -!- Prodego [n=Prodego@wikipedia/Prodego] has joined #mediawiki 01:39 -!- ecstasia [n=ecs@unaffiliated/ecstasia] has joined #mediawiki 01:40 -!- aude [n=chatzill@16.sub-75-199-75.myvzw.com] has joined #mediawiki 01:44 < exercicio> wtf......... reloaded the page, for some reason all links are now using index.php?title=pagename format 01:44 < exercicio> I didn't change anything 01:44 -!- Fflapjac [n=frederic@wikimedia/Microchip08] has quit ["Leaving."] 01:45 -!- SPQRobin [n=Robin@wikimedia/SPQRobin] has quit ["Leaving."] 01:45 < exercicio> well, yes, I changed one thing, replaced the logo path in localsettings to use a local host logo, was hosted on a image hosting service before 01:45 -!- JeroenDeDauw [n=Admin@d51538211.access.telenet.be] has quit ["Leaving."] 01:46 -!- kmccoy [n=a@wikimedia/kmccoy] has joined #mediawiki 01:46 -!- GreenWireless [n=greenrea@unaffiliated/greenreaper] has joined #mediawiki 01:48 -!- GreenReaper [n=greenrea@unaffiliated/greenreaper] has quit [Read error: 148 (No route to host)] 01:48 -!- GreenWireless is now known as GreenReaper 01:48 -!- anomie [n=brad@wikimedia/anomie] has joined #mediawiki 01:49 -!- JW|AFK is now known as Jake_Wartenberg 01:51 -!- Rjd0060 [n=Rjd0060@wikimedia/Rjd0060] has quit [" Restarting."] 01:52 -!- Orian [n=orian@213.129.110.72] has quit [] 01:55 -!- Rjd0060 [n=Rjd0060@wikimedia/Rjd0060] has joined #mediawiki 01:59 -!- JNSamuel [n=JSamuel@unaffiliated/eckstasy] has joined #mediawiki 01:59 -!- Anu [i=Anubisss@ip-174-29-userpool.zeg.zelkanet.hu] has joined #mediawiki 02:01 -!- exercicio [i=bd6697e4@gateway/web/freenode/x-ulwjutccwwlsvjbp] has quit ["Page closed"] 02:02 -!- JNSamuel [n=JSamuel@unaffiliated/eckstasy] has quit [Excess Flood] 02:02 -!- JNSamuel [n=JSamuel@unaffiliated/eckstasy] has joined #mediawiki 02:10 -!- zrh [n=zrh@dynamic-80-242-196-215.catv.glattnet.ch] has joined #mediawiki 02:10 < zrh> re 02:10 < zrh> Is there any way to turn off search result categories (content pages, multimedia, etc.)? 02:10 -!- mdale [n=dale@pdpc/supporter/student/mdale] has joined #mediawiki 02:11 < GreenReaper> You can use the old style of search . . . or did you mean just turn off some of them? 02:11 < zrh> GreenReaper: Just some of them. 02:12 < GreenReaper> Probably by editing the source. There may be a better way. :-) 02:13 < zrh> :) 02:14 -!- Jake_Wartenberg is now known as JW|AFK 02:16 -!- Anubisss [i=Anubisss@ip-174-29-userpool.zeg.zelkanet.hu] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 02:19 -!- sreher [n=sreher@g226090145.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [] 02:20 -!- dungodung is now known as dungodung|sleep 02:21 -!- infinisoft [i=infiniso@r70h97.res.gatech.edu] has joined #mediawiki 02:22 -!- hippytrail is now known as hippietrail 02:22 -!- Anu [i=Anubisss@ip-174-29-userpool.zeg.zelkanet.hu] has quit [Client Quit] 02:23 -!- Cain` [n=Geek@unaffiliated/cain] has joined #MediaWiki 02:24 < wikibugs> (NEW) onclick handler for radio button in quiz extension causes a javascript error if there is no shuffleButton - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21270 trivial; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: Quiz; (bawolff+wn) 02:26 -!- Skizzerz [n=skizzerz@mediawiki/Skizzerz] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 02:29 < CIA-81> dale * r58106 /trunk/phase3/js2/mwEmbed/php/languages/mwEmbed.i18n.php: r58103#c4322 02:31 < wikibugs> (NEW) RevDelete unclear on suppression - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21271 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: Revision deletion; (FT2.wiki) 02:31 < wikibugs> (mod) Difficult to use on Nokia N97 - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20120 +comment (kevin) 02:33 -!- mdale [n=dale@pdpc/supporter/student/mdale] has quit ["Leaving."] 02:35 -!- cyberpear [n=james@fedora/cyberpear] has quit ["leaving"] 02:37 < wikibugs> (NEW) Unfortunate effect of removing show/hide links - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21272 normal; Normal; MediaWiki: Revision deletion; (FT2.wiki) 02:39 -!- Cain [n=Geek@unaffiliated/cain] has quit [Success] 02:39 -!- Cain` is now known as Cain 02:43 -!- luminoso [n=lumos@av-217-129-139-239.netvisao.pt] has joined #mediawiki 02:44 -!- Papiertiger [i=tiger@85.180.66.191] has joined #mediawiki 02:46 -!- Papertiger [i=tiger@e180066128.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 02:01 -!- jMyles [n=justin@68-118-178-232.dhcp.nwtn.ct.charter.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 02:03 -!- Skizzerz [n=skizzerz@mediawiki/Skizzerz] has joined #mediawiki 02:03 -!- jMyles [n=justin@68-118-178-232.dhcp.nwtn.ct.charter.com] has joined #mediawiki 02:16 -!- Skizzerz [n=skizzerz@mediawiki/Skizzerz] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 02:16 -!- Skizzerz [n=skizzerz@mediawiki/Skizzerz] has joined #mediawiki 02:18 -!- Raymond__ [n=Raymond@wikipedia/Raymond] has joined #mediawiki 02:18 -!- [[sroracle]] [n=sroracle@c-98-215-178-14.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #mediawiki 02:24 -!- Raymond_afk [n=Raymond@wikipedia/Raymond] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 02:28 -!- Shown [n=Miranda@host69-153-dynamic.116-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [] 02:28 -!- ITrace [n=justinst@75-167-120-64.desm.qwest.net] has joined #mediawiki 02:31 -!- Suiseiseki [n=desudesu@wikipedia/Antonio-Lopez] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 02:32 -!- Suiseiseki [i=desulove@wikipedia/Antonio-Lopez] has joined #mediawiki 02:39 -!- jMyles [n=justin@68-118-178-232.dhcp.nwtn.ct.charter.com] has quit ["Leaving"] 02:51 -!- BradLee [n=chatzill@CPE-121-219-177-21.lnse2.lon.bigpond.net.au] has joined #mediawiki 02:54 -!- yannf [n=yannf@wikipedia/yannf] has quit ["Like the Truth, I am elsewhere..."] 02:55 -!- zrh [n=zrh@dynamic-80-242-196-215.catv.glattnet.ch] has quit [] 02:57 -!- AzaToth [n=azatoth@wikipedia/AzaToth] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 03:04 -!- KenDLion [i=kendlion@24.77.251.8] has joined #mediawiki 03:04 -!- KenDLion [i=kendlion@24.77.251.8] has left #mediawiki [] 03:05 -!- KenDLion [i=kendlion@S0106000f1f5e4d35.wp.shawcable.net] has joined #mediawiki 03:08 -!- KenDLion [i=kendlion@S0106000f1f5e4d35.wp.shawcable.net] has quit [Client Quit] 03:14 < wikibugs> (NEW) A "do not transclude semantic properties outside of these namespaces" configuration option would be nice - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21273 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: Semantic MediaWiki; (morgon.kanter) 03:17 < Mike_lifeguard> lolsmw 03:18 -!- Raymond_afk [n=Raymond@wikipedia/Raymond] has joined #mediawiki 03:24 -!- Raymond__ [n=Raymond@wikipedia/Raymond] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 03:25 -!- zrh [n=zrh@dynamic-80-242-196-215.catv.glattnet.ch] has joined #mediawiki 03:31 -!- uebera|| [n=user@enton.tm.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 03:31 -!- Rgoodermote [n=Rgooderm@wikia/Rgoodermote] has joined #mediawiki 03:32 -!- uebera|| [n=user@enton.tm.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de] has joined #mediawiki 03:38 -!- chomwitt [n=chomwitt@ppp-94-66-142-86.home.otenet.gr] has joined #mediawiki 03:40 < Surgo> why does everyone hate on smw :( 03:41 -!- zrh [n=zrh@dynamic-80-242-196-215.catv.glattnet.ch] has left #mediawiki [] 03:45 < p858snake> !hesaidsemantic 03:45 < mwbot> http://img393.imageshack.us/img393/576/hesaidsemanticga2.jpg 03:46 < Surgo> that's now the third time I've seen that image macro, and I still don't get it 03:47 < Rgoodermote> What the hell......that is probably the oddest image ever....why is that an mwbot command? 03:47 < Mike_lifeguard> clearly it is the most informative factoid it has :| 03:48 < Rgoodermote> Just...why? 03:49 -!- Cain [n=Geek@unaffiliated/cain] has quit ["Sayaunara ^_^"] 03:49 -!- sagaci [n=chatzill@124.187.183.147] has joined #mediawiki 03:52 -!- Pathoschild is now known as slavie|away 03:54 -!- chomwitt_ [n=chomwitt@athedsl-405490.home.otenet.gr] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 03:58 -!- whoops [n=jstile@dsl027-182-089.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #MediaWiki 04:00 -!- Emufarmers [i=Emufarme@mediawiki/Emufarmers] has joined #mediawiki 04:06 < p858snake> Rgoodermote: because splaka <3's the image 04:08 < charitwo> !rar 04:08 < mwbot> rar 04:08 < Emufarmers> !morbo | Rgoodermote 04:08 < mwbot> Rgoodermote: http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/330/morbomediawikiaf9.jpg 04:11 < Rgoodermote> I officially love mwbot. 04:11 < Rgoodermote> What other commands does it have? 04:11 < Rgoodermote> !rar |Charitwo 04:11 < mwbot> rar 04:11 < charitwo> !botbrain 04:11 < mwbot> http://toolserver.org/~amidaniel/botbrain.html 04:11 < Rgoodermote> Ohh, too bad. vv 04:12 < Surgo> is there some sort of history behind the image macro involving hating on smw, or is it just some in-joke? 04:12 < Rgoodermote> !beer 04:12 < mwbot> hmmm... beeeer... 04:12 < charitwo> its a developer joke 04:12 < Rgoodermote> Ok, now I need to ask, what is with the beer? 04:12 < charitwo> dunno 04:13 * Mike_lifeguard hearts !morbo 04:13 < Rgoodermote> !humor 04:13 < mwbot> HUMOR IS STRICTLY FORBIDDEN 04:13 < Rgoodermote> And I was expecting something different. 04:13 -!- mode/#mediawiki [+o charitwo] by ChanServ 04:13 < Rgoodermote> Errr...sorry. 04:14 -!- mode/#mediawiki [-obb charitwo %*!*@unaffiliated/microchip08/bot/picochip08 %*!*@77-21-92-34-dynip.superkabel.de] by charitwo 04:14 * Rgoodermote wipes brow 04:14 < Rgoodermote> Phew, thought that was for me playing with the bot. 04:14 < charitwo> fyi, you can also message it the same commands if you want to experiment 04:14 -!- slavie|away is now known as Pathoschild 04:15 < Rgoodermote> Really? Cool, means not having to spam here. 04:16 -!- [[sroracle]] [n=sroracle@unaffiliated/sroracle] has quit [""] 04:17 -!- LauraHale [n=laurahal@99.144.230.190] has quit [] 04:18 -!- tomaszf [n=tomaszf@98.210.153.193] has joined #mediawiki 04:18 < Rgoodermote> Really, that is an awesome bot. 04:19 -!- tomaszf [n=tomaszf@98.210.153.193] has quit [Client Quit] 04:22 < Emufarmers> Surgo: I would guess it has to do with people who want SMW to be added to Wikipedia (and who've been waiting for some number of years, heh) 04:22 < Rgoodermote> I doubt it'll be added. 04:26 < Surgo> I don't really see how SMW could benefit Wikipedia myself 04:27 < Amgine> It would allow extensive re-use of wp content. 04:27 < Amgine> This is about the only justification I can think of, however. 04:28 < Surgo> I mean, I love it and use it for my own wiki extensively, but...wikipedia? 04:29 < Emufarmers> Well, there'd no longer be a need for categories like "Jewish, bisexual prime ministers of Ethiopia" 04:30 < Rgoodermote> I have to ask, where did you find said category? 04:30 < Rgoodermote> It'd officially be the oddest category on Wikipedia if it were real. 04:30 < Emufarmers> It doesn't exist (that I know of); it was just a humorous example 04:31 < Rgoodermote> Nope, doesn't exist...and I'm surprised no vandal has created that yet...seems like a perfect vandal title. 04:31 < Emufarmers> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Assassinated_United_States_Presidents is an example of an existing category of that nature 04:31 < Surgo> that is true, but imagine the horror of trying to standardize property names 04:31 < Amgine> 04:31 < Surgo> I have a hard enough time of that on my own wiki and that's only 7000 articles 04:32 < Emufarmers> How would that be worse than with categories? 04:32 < Rgoodermote> Amgine 04:32 < Amgine> 04:32 < Surgo> it probably wouldn't 04:33 < Rgoodermote> Wikipedia may also have more contributors that your Wiki, it's easier if you have a few thousand people. 04:33 < Rgoodermote> than* 04:33 < Rgoodermote> Surgo. 04:33 < Amgine> The funny thing is, there's already extensive work on how to categorize/correlate knowledge. 04:33 < Rgoodermote> A library. 04:34 < Surgo> it's easier to standardize things if you have more people? o_O 04:34 < Amgine> But by recreating wheels, wp manages to come up with creative methods of making formerly known dead ends much worse. 04:34 < Rgoodermote> Surgo, if you had a few thousand people all doing the same thing, wouldn't it be easier to get it done? 04:34 < Rgoodermote> (not counting the occasional ruffian) 04:35 < Emufarmers> And you could query data for which there isn't a category right now: for instance, what if you wanted a list of Episcopalians who were signers of the US Constitution? 04:35 < Amgine> Rgoodermote: FindATopeic, FindaTopic, Findatopic, FindATopic 04:35 -!- Prodego [n=Prodego@wikipedia/Prodego] has quit [No route to host] 04:35 < Rgoodermote> ....man I lost track of the topic a few paragraphs ago. 04:35 < Surgo> Rgoodermote, but I'm talking about standardizing the way of doing things. It's tougher to get 3000 people to agree on something than it is to get 3 people to agree on something. 04:36 < Amgine> The point is, a thousand people may find a thousand ways of not doing it right. 04:36 < Rgoodermote> Which may also make them do it right. 04:36 < Amgine> Not even counting the typos. 04:37 < Rgoodermote> Eventually those thousands of people will be doing the same thing once, just a matter of time. XD 04:37 < Amgine> And then they all move on to the second article... 04:37 < Rgoodermote> And that's when the problem start.... 04:38 < Amgine> I love this sentence: "A not too simplified view of the Semantic Web is to think of the Semantic Web to traditional databases like the Web was to hypertext systems." 04:38 < Rgoodermote> You know, I have been reading your comments and what not and I think, SMW is probably not a half idea for Wikipedia. It'll cut down on a lot of errors. 04:38 -!- Skizzerz [n=skizzerz@mediawiki/Skizzerz] has quit ["*poof*"] 04:39 < Rgoodermote> bad idea* 04:40 < Amgine> I suspect it would result in a gross expansion of the semantic dictionary to the point where that becomes effectively useless. 04:40 < Emufarmers> I don't see how that'd be any more of an issue than it is with categories 04:40 < Amgine> But it *would* be much faster to find information that is utterly useless from my cell phone, I suppose. 04:42 < Surgo> I don't really know anything about semantic web, I just found it as a useful way of annotating pages with properties that weren't categories 04:43 < Amgine> Effectively, it's a way for computers to browse the web. 04:43 -!- Daedalus969 [n=Daedalus@unaffiliated/daedalus969] has quit ["There is no escaping reason, no denying purpose, because as we both know, without purpose, we would not exist. It is purpose ] 04:43 < Amgine> Thus, collate and create meaningful connections between items therein. 04:43 < Rgoodermote> Surgo, you know more than I do. I just know it apparently puts categories to shame. Ireally can't grasp the concept. 04:43 < Rgoodermote> I really* 04:47 < Surgo> one thing that I feel SMW is sorely lacking is a user-friendly query interface that basically takes in data and spits out the result of an ask query 04:47 < Surgo> kind of like an 'advanced search' which I find weird because it's exactly the sort of thing that you'd want in an advanced search 04:47 < Amgine> Whereas I have to agree with Doctorow's assessment. 04:47 -!- acat [n=acatheri@68-118-178-232.dhcp.nwtn.ct.charter.com] has joined #mediawiki 04:48 < Emufarmers> Surgo: have you looked at Semantic Forms? 04:48 < Surgo> and Special:Ask doesn't count, that isn't user friendly in any way 04:48 < Amgine> http://www.well.com/~doctorow/metacrap.htm 04:49 < Surgo> semantic forms doesn't count either -- you have to write all the templates yourself ahead of time 04:49 < Surgo> and that's nonsense 04:50 < Surgo> (also for some reason I can't get the query part of that extension on wikia, despite getting the other part which is annoyingly limited and broken) 04:53 -!- JC [n=JC@wikimedia/Juliancolton] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 04:53 < Surgo> what I'm looking for (and looks like I'll be trying to write myself) is something where the user can come in, throw down "I want this category" and then a list of all properties that pages in that category hold come up, and they can choose one or more of those properties and fill in some (fuzzy) value for it 04:55 -!- acat [n=acatheri@68-118-178-232.dhcp.nwtn.ct.charter.com] has quit ["Peace out."] 04:55 < Amgine> Perfect metadata, with multiple levels of cognitive relativity. 04:56 < Surgo> huh? 04:56 < Amgine> What you want is a dataset which has perfect metadata, with easily calculable relativity scales. 04:56 -!- GerardM- [n=chatzill@dhcp-077-250-053-164.chello.nl] has joined #mediawiki 04:57 < Surgo> I already have that dataset 04:57 < Surgo> what I want is something that lets me sarch it like that 05:00 < Amgine> Then you only need to figure out how to calculate the relativity scales, and you should be set. 05:01 < Surgo> and code the extension that gives this to the user in a friendly way 05:01 < Amgine> 05:01 < Surgo> I don't quite know what you mean by relativity scales though 05:02 < Amgine> Personally, as someone familiar with statistics in health care, I think you'll want to talk with a statistician. 05:02 < Emufarmers> You just need to decouple the dylithium matrix 05:02 < Surgo> I don't see how statistics even work into this. I could just pull all the pages out of the database and check what properties they set 05:02 < Surgo> and it's not like I'd have to do that with every query, there's ways around that 05:02 < Amgine> The relativity scale is "how related is X to the properties the user selected?" 05:03 -!- BradLee [n=chatzill@CPE-121-219-177-21.lnse2.lon.bigpond.net.au] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.3/20090824101458]"] 05:03 < Surgo> oh 05:03 < Surgo> that's pretty easy, because all the properties are just numbers and strings that are meant to be string-matched 05:04 < Amgine> So they're all dichotomous variables. 05:04 < Amgine> (match, no match) 05:05 < Surgo> yeah, pretty much 05:05 < Surgo> it's easy to have a perfect meta-dataset when you don't aim very high and what you're doing easily lends itself to the sort of annotations that people would want to search 05:05 < Amgine> Then you shouldn't have any trouble as all your relativity scales will be zero or one. 05:06 < Amgine> And you could use categories and... 05:06 < Amgine> !DPL 05:06 < mwbot> The DynamicPageList (DPL) extension outputs reports based on criteria given in a special tag. For more information, see and . 05:06 -!- Iimitk [n=Iimitk@41.218.26.98] has joined #mediawiki 05:07 < Surgo> we used to use DPL 05:10 < Amgine> If you look at Intersection, there's code there which can rather easily be modified to do what you're wanting to do using categories. But I'm sure you've considered this and have other reasons you want to develop a different solution. 05:11 -!- Prodego [n=Prodego@wikipedia/Prodego] has joined #mediawiki 05:12 < Surgo> most of the reason is "we really are tired of having so many categories" -- we wanted to have categories represent what the page was, and have properties represent pieces of content the page contained 05:13 -!- Iimitk [n=Iimitk@41.218.26.98] has left #mediawiki ["Leaving"] 05:13 < Surgo> not to mention that everybody seems to screw up categories 05:14 < Surgo> seriously, I never realized how moronic people could be when it came to adding categories at the bottom of pages 05:14 < charitwo> on my home wiki, categories belong at the top 05:14 < Amgine> So, how are properties being assigned? Different from categories? 05:15 < Surgo> properties are mostly being done through templates that also supply formatting 05:15 < Surgo> sure we could do that with categories too, but categories also provide a navigation structure through a bunch of DPL pages and it's useful to be able to them 05:16 -!- Anandawardhana [n=AW@124.43.157.220] has joined #mediawiki 05:24 -!- TodWulff [n=TodWulff@unaffiliated/todwulff] has joined #mediawiki 05:32 -!- Anandawardhana [n=AW@124.43.157.220] has quit ["Leaving"] 05:37 -!- anomie [n=brad@wikimedia/anomie] has quit ["..."] 05:39 -!- Surgo [n=Surgo@c-75-69-100-247.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has quit [] 05:42 -!- JW|AFK is now known as Jake_Wartenberg 05:47 -!- simNIX [n=simNIX@92.254.60.156] has joined #mediawiki 05:49 -!- init [i=init@awos/2nd-in-command/init] has joined #mediawiki 05:49 < init> ello 05:52 -!- Mike_lifeguard is now known as Mike||gone 05:52 -!- sagaci [n=chatzill@124.187.183.147] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox-3.5 3.5.3/20090910172411]"] 05:57 -!- jMyles [n=justin@ip72-192-1-214.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #mediawiki 06:00 -!- jMyles [n=justin@ip72-192-1-214.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit [Client Quit] 06:05 -!- MaxSem [n=max@wikimedia/MaxSem] has joined #mediawiki 06:22 -!- GerardM- [n=chatzill@dhcp-077-250-053-164.chello.nl] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 06:27 -!- init [i=init@awos/2nd-in-command/init] has left #mediawiki ["http://pubacc.wilcox-tech.com/"] 06:34 -!- Prodego [n=Prodego@wikipedia/Prodego] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 06:38 -!- apergos [n=apergos@wiktionary/ArielGlenn] has quit ["Leaving."] 06:40 -!- sj| [n=sj@wikipedia/sj] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 06:42 -!- Anandawardhana [n=AW@124.43.97.129] has joined #mediawiki 06:44 -!- Anandawardhana [n=AW@124.43.97.129] has quit [Client Quit] 06:45 -!- Anandawardhana [n=AW@124.43.97.129] has joined #mediawiki 06:47 -!- siebrand [n=beis@67.111.52.130.ptr.us.xo.net] has joined #mediawiki 06:53 -!- Anandawardhana [n=AW@124.43.97.129] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 06:56 -!- Misterangry [n=mrangry@c-98-248-172-133.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 06:59 -!- Misterangry [n=mrangry@c-98-248-172-133.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #mediawiki 07:04 -!- infinisoft [i=infiniso@r70h97.res.gatech.edu] has quit [] 07:15 -!- GreenReaper [n=greenrea@unaffiliated/greenreaper] has quit ["Reboot"] 07:19 < wikibugs> (NEW) punctuation parsing in phrases - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21274 normal; Normal; Wikimedia: lucene-search-2; (rainman) 07:21 -!- JNSamuel [n=JSamuel@unaffiliated/eckstasy] has quit ["If at first you don't succeed, copy off someone who is cleverer than you."] 07:28 -!- Jake_Wartenberg is now known as JW|AFK 07:29 -!- GreenReaper [n=greenrea@unaffiliated/greenreaper] has joined #mediawiki 07:31 -!- Anandawardhana [n=AW@124.43.155.170] has joined #mediawiki 07:38 -!- Hosiryuhosi_ [n=Hosiryuh@wikipedia/Hosiryuhosi] has joined #MediaWiki 07:42 -!- Prodego [n=Prodego@wikipedia/Prodego] has joined #mediawiki 07:43 < CIA-81> siebrand * r58107 /trunk/phase3/js2/mwEmbed/php/languages/mwEmbed.i18n.php: php mergeJavascriptMsg.php -j 07:51 -!- Emufarmers [i=Emufarme@mediawiki/Emufarmers] has left #mediawiki [] 08:07 -!- TodWulff is now known as TodWulff|zzz 08:07 -!- GerardM- [n=chatzill@dhcp-077-250-053-164.chello.nl] has joined #mediawiki 08:11 -!- uberfuzzy [n=ubrfzy@wikia/Uberfuzzy] has joined #mediawiki 08:11 -!- siebrand [n=beis@67.111.52.130.ptr.us.xo.net] has quit [] 08:14 -!- GreenReaper is now known as GreenSleeper 08:14 -!- siebrand [n=beis@67.111.52.130.ptr.us.xo.net] has joined #mediawiki 08:16 < wikibugs> (mod) Seeing the non-template links - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21266 +comment (alex.emsenhuber) 08:16 < wikibugs> (mod) Feature to filter special:whatlinkshere by transclusion - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17728 +comment (alex.emsenhuber) 08:17 < wikibugs> (mod) "what links here" should list the template, not the pages that use it - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12396 (alex.emsenhuber) 08:18 < uberfuzzy> when you add extra text to ->getLocalURL(), you have to do your own escaping right? like & to & 08:23 < Tuxedo_> Hi, I just imported a backup xml dump by importDump.php and this was what my shell reported: 08:24 < Tuxedo_> php importDump.php backup.xml 08:24 < Tuxedo_> 100 (0.89 pages/sec 3.61 revs/sec) 08:24 < Tuxedo_> 200 (1.26 pages/sec 5.43 revs/sec) 08:24 < Tuxedo_> Killed 08:25 < Rgoodermote> Uberfuzzy, I'd imagine so. You are after all adding an extra text, but I wouldn't trust my word on that. 08:25 < Tuxedo_> What does "Killed" mean? I did not press Ctrl-c or anything likewise. Or is "Killed" a normal response? 08:26 < Rgoodermote> Tuxedo_: Did your import work right? 08:26 < uberfuzzy> Rgoodermote: i found it eventually right after i asked, the answer is yes, its added pretty much as is, theres escapeLocalURL() if you want the machine to do the escaping for you 08:26 -!- uberfuzzy [n=ubrfzy@wikia/Uberfuzzy] has left #mediawiki [] 08:27 -!- Dantman [n=dantman@wikia/dantman] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 08:28 < Rgoodermote> Nevermind, Tuxedo_ that error means that it took up too many resources. 08:28 < Rgoodermote> That is bad. 08:29 -!- Dantman [n=dantman@wikia/dantman] has joined #mediawiki 08:31 < Tuxedo_> Ok. Thats odd. I don't even know whats missing. I guess I can re-run the script. Maybe it will overwrite any existing files a second time? Not much documentation not even a --help flag for importDump.php! 08:31 -!- Prodego [n=Prodego@wikipedia/Prodego] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 08:33 < Rgoodermote> You can give it another try, but if you get the same error you may nee to bring up your memory in php.ini (course that is my suggestion for a number of errors, and it usually works) 08:34 -!- Dantman [n=dantman@wikia/dantman] has quit [Client Quit] 08:34 < OverlordQ> that wouldn't be a php error 08:36 -!- siebrand [n=beis@67.111.52.130.ptr.us.xo.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 08:36 < Tuxedo_> Thanks for the info. The MW installer page said PHP's memory_limit is 128M. I have noting define on memory in my /etc/php.ini file. This is the complete file: 08:36 < Rgoodermote> You take over from here, OverlordQ, I'm going to bed, not really reliable right now. 08:36 < Tuxedo_> upload_max_filesize = 30M 08:36 < Tuxedo_> register_globals = Off 08:36 < Tuxedo_> session.save_path = /tmp 08:36 -!- Rgoodermote [n=Rgooderm@wikia/Rgoodermote] has quit [] 08:38 < Tuxedo_> That said, most if not all pages appear to exist in after the import. Anyway, I'll run again to see if there are errors a second time. 08:39 < OverlordQ> likely running into a shell limit 08:40 < Tuxedo_> This time I got pages full of errors (too long to post here). 08:40 -!- WillPittenger [n=chatzill@mortonrb-pool1-185.mtco.com] has joined #mediawiki 08:40 < Tuxedo_> But a short example extract: 08:40 < Tuxedo_> perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings: 08:40 < Tuxedo_> LC_ALL = (unset), 08:40 < Tuxedo_> LC_CTYPE = "en_US.utf8", 08:40 < Tuxedo_> LANG = (unset) 08:40 < Tuxedo_> are supported and installed on your system. 08:41 < OverlordQ> I dont know where perl came from 08:41 < Tuxedo_> Then later on perl: warning: Falling back to the standard locale ("C"). 08:41 < WillPittenger> MediaWiki (as installed for Commons) currently chokes on SVGs that have text objects on paths. Also, it ignores manual kerning. Can we expect a fix soon? 08:42 < Tuxedo_> ... And finally: 08:42 < Tuxedo_> 400 (8.10 pages/sec 29.73 revs/sec) 08:42 < Tuxedo_> Done! 08:42 < Tuxedo_> You might want to run rebuildrecentchanges.php to regenerate 08:42 < Tuxedo_> the recentchanges page. 08:43 -!- Prodego [n=Prodego@wikipedia/Prodego] has joined #mediawiki 08:45 < Tuxedo_> The odd thing is that all pages appears to exist and have been imported along with page histories. Only the output is returning errors. 08:49 -!- TodWulff [n=TodWulff@unaffiliated/todwulff] has joined #mediawiki 08:49 -!- TodWulff|zzz [n=TodWulff@unaffiliated/todwulff] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 08:49 -!- TodWulff is now known as TodWulff|zzz 08:51 < Tuxedo_> Third time lucky! 08:51 < Tuxedo_> My full output: 08:51 < Tuxedo_> php importDump.php backup.xml 08:51 < Tuxedo_> 100 (96.36 pages/sec 392.20 revs/sec) 08:51 < Tuxedo_> 200 (91.54 pages/sec 394.99 revs/sec) 08:51 < Tuxedo_> 300 (105.31 pages/sec 382.27 revs/sec) 08:51 < Tuxedo_> 400 (96.45 pages/sec 352.51 revs/sec) 08:51 < Tuxedo_> 400 (96.35 pages/sec 352.41 revs/sec) 08:51 < Tuxedo_> 400 (96.27 pages/sec 352.36 revs/sec) 08:52 < Tuxedo_> 400 (96.19 pages/sec 352.30 revs/sec) 08:52 < Tuxedo_> 400 (96.15 pages/sec 352.38 revs/sec) 08:52 < Tuxedo_> 400 (96.10 pages/sec 352.46 revs/sec) 08:52 < Tuxedo_> 400 (96.06 pages/sec 352.55 revs/sec) 08:52 < Tuxedo_> 400 (96.02 pages/sec 352.63 revs/sec) 08:52 < OverlordQ> dont do that 08:52 < Tuxedo_> Done! 08:52 < Tuxedo_> You might want to run rebuildrecentchanges.php to regenerate 08:52 < Tuxedo_> the recentchanges page. 08:52 < Tuxedo_> Sorry, too much pasting. 08:52 -!- illyism [n=Illyism@83.101.12.44] has joined #mediawiki 08:55 -!- _s_k_y_ [n=Red@cpe-70-95-187-195.hawaii.res.rr.com] has quit ["( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.22 :: www.esnation.com )"] 08:58 -!- apshields [n=apshield@ip70-188-59-85.rn.hr.cox.net] has quit [] 08:58 -!- aude [n=chatzill@wikipedia/Aude] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 09:02 < wikibugs> (mod) Unfortunate effect of removing show/hide links - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21272 +comment (oversight-wp) 09:03 -!- Prodego [n=Prodego@wikipedia/Prodego] has quit [No route to host] 09:06 -!- danny [n=chatzill@cp1220804-a.dbsch1.nb.home.nl] has joined #mediawiki 09:06 -!- guillom [n=guillaum@wikimedia/guillom] has joined #mediawiki 09:07 -!- danny [n=chatzill@cp1220804-a.dbsch1.nb.home.nl] has quit [Client Quit] 09:10 < Tuxedo_> Is there a way to delete all images in a wiki? deleteBatch.php is only for pages, right? not images. I' setting up a new wiki-family member with non-hashed images directory and I'm not sure how to do a "clean" batch delete. 09:11 < WillPittenger> MediaWiki (as installed for Commons) currently chokes on SVGs that have text objects on paths. Also, it ignores manual kerning. Can we expect a fix soon? 09:11 < OverlordQ> WillPittenger: upstream issue afaik 09:11 -!- Duesentrieb [n=daniel@wikipedia/duesentrieb] has joined #mediawiki 09:11 < WillPittenger> What's that mean? 09:12 < OverlordQ> problem with the app that does thumbnailing 09:12 < WillPittenger> And? 09:13 < OverlordQ> it's not a program made by anybody here 09:13 -!- dungodung|sleep is now known as dungodung 09:13 < WillPittenger> Well, I thought someone might know of a fix they had coming. 09:13 < OverlordQ> might find some discussion on bugzilla 09:14 < WillPittenger> If MW version X includes RSVG version Y and Y has the fix... 09:14 -!- wolog [n=wolog@195.6.104.193] has joined #mediawiki 09:15 < OverlordQ> MW doesn't ship with anything that can do SVG's afaik, it's all dependent on people installing 3rd party apps 09:15 < WillPittenger> Ahh. 09:16 < WillPittenger> Unfortunately, the one time I filed a bug on WikiMedia's bugzilla, someone thought I had my own install. :p 09:17 < OverlordQ> https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9420 09:20 -!- SB_Johnny [n=SB_Johnn@c-98-235-177-2.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #mediawiki 09:20 -!- SB_Johnny [n=SB_Johnn@c-98-235-177-2.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 09:28 -!- WillPittenger [n=chatzill@mortonrb-pool1-185.mtco.com] has left #mediawiki [] 09:28 < Tuxedo_> Are there help flags, like for example "php deleteBatch.php --help"? Or have that been dropped? 09:29 < OverlordQ> if they're not old scripts then yes that will work 09:29 < Tuxedo_> When I run php deleteBatch.php --help the shell prompt just goes into limbo. 09:29 -!- Ryan_Lane [n=chatzill@ip72-204-146-103.no.no.cox.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 09:34 < Tuxedo_> Ok. must be no --help flag on that one. Do anyone know if there is a batch deletion function of all uploaded files contained in a MW? 09:35 < Duesentrieb> unlikely. 09:35 < Tuxedo_> I basically need to delete all files (because they have the wrong hashed (/images/a/ab/foo.jpg) structure and thereafter import them in a set up without the hashed directory structure. I mean of course not images specifically, but all files. 09:35 -!- TodWulff|zzz [n=TodWulff@unaffiliated/todwulff] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 09:36 -!- Bdka [n=bdk@wikipedia/bdka] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 09:40 -!- wolog [n=wolog@195.6.104.193] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 09:42 -!- wolog [n=wolog@195.6.104.193] has joined #mediawiki 09:43 -!- ans-tot1222 [n=sysadmin@118.174.42.21.adsl.dynamic.totbb.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 09:46 -!- Nifi [n=rabbit@mediawiki/Nikerabbit] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 09:48 -!- Nikerabb1t [n=rabbit@mediawiki/Nikerabbit] has joined #mediawiki 09:49 < Nikerabbit> rar 09:53 -!- Nikerabb1t [n=rabbit@mediawiki/Nikerabbit] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 09:53 -!- basile [n=guillom@wikimedia/guillom] has joined #mediawiki 09:53 -!- ialex [n=IAlex@wikipedia/ialex] has joined #mediawiki 09:54 -!- puzzlet [n=puzzlet@147.46.241.168] has joined #mediawiki 09:56 -!- simplechat [n=simple@unaffiliated/simplechat] has joined #mediawiki 09:57 < simplechat> Hi, i'm wondering: What do i need to modify to increase the time to live for mediawiki's cookies? 09:57 < MaxSem> !wg CookieExpiration 09:57 < mwbot> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgCookieExpiration 09:58 < simplechat> :) 09:58 < simplechat> wait, this is odd 09:58 < simplechat> i get logged off from my mediawiki instance after a few hours 09:59 < simplechat> when i don't use it 09:59 < simplechat> and i'm unsure as to why 09:59 < OverlordQ> something might be eating your PHP sessions 09:59 < simplechat> hmmm 09:59 < simplechat> what would do it though? 10:00 < ialex> this is the cookie expiration it you select "Remember me" option on login form 10:00 < simplechat> yeah 10:00 < ialex> s/it/if 10:03 < Duesentrieb> OverlordQ: php session timeout is a php setting, not a mediawiki setting 10:03 < Duesentrieb> also, something deleting the temp dir would also do it. 10:03 < simplechat> Duesentrieb, nothing is deleting any temp dirs 10:03 < simplechat> php session timeouts.... 10:03 < wikibugs> (FIXED) Skin.php: $this->getSkinName() calls lowercase skinname.css if $wgCapitalLinks is off - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17700 +comment (alex.emsenhuber) 10:04 < Duesentrieb> simplechat: if you use "remember me", this shouldn't happen. 10:04 < simplechat> Duesentrieb, i do 10:04 < Duesentrieb> then the login should stick for 30 days (per default)., 10:04 -!- buzz_ [n=jools@lan.oxfordinspire.co.uk] has joined #mediawiki 10:04 < Duesentrieb> unless you are blocking the cookies, or changed the expiry time, or Something Is Very Wrong Indeed. 10:05 < simplechat> i'm not blocking cookies 10:05 < Duesentrieb> try a different browser 10:05 < Duesentrieb> anyway, time to go. 10:05 < simplechat> haven't changed anything, this is a vanilla mediawiki instance 10:10 -!- wolog [n=wolog@195.6.104.193] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 10:13 -!- ThomasV [n=ThomasV@28.30.73-86.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #mediawiki 10:19 -!- yannf [n=yannf@wikipedia/yannf] has joined #mediawiki 10:21 -!- simplechat [n=simple@unaffiliated/simplechat] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 10:21 -!- siebrand [n=beis@67.111.52.130.ptr.us.xo.net] has joined #mediawiki 10:25 -!- Bdk[a] [n=bdk@wikipedia/bdka] has joined #mediawiki 10:30 -!- stephan48 [n=rjp@pdpc/supporter/student/stephan48] has joined #mediawiki 10:36 -!- Duesentrieb [n=daniel@wikipedia/duesentrieb] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 10:42 < CIA-81> maxsem * r58108 /trunk/phase3/ (2 files in 2 dirs): 10:42 < CIA-81> * Abstracted table locks in maintenance/updateSearchIndex.php 10:42 < CIA-81> * Fixed MySQL's table locking, stabstabstab PHP 10:43 < OverlordQ> \o/ 10:43 < OverlordQ> was too lazy to do that myself 10:47 -!- buzz_ [n=jools@lan.oxfordinspire.co.uk] has quit ["Leaving"] 10:48 -!- WaterRatj [i=watsjie@unaffiliated/waterratj] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 10:49 -!- Shown [n=Miranda@host38-199-dynamic.21-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #mediawiki 10:51 -!- Fflapjac [n=frederic@wikimedia/Microchip08] has joined #mediawiki 10:51 -!- SPQRobin [n=Robin@wikimedia/SPQRobin] has joined #mediawiki 10:52 -!- sreher [n=sreher@g226090145.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #mediawiki 11:04 < wikibugs> (NEW) Cannot redirect to the correct section when 2 sections with the same title exists. - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21275 normal; Normal; MediaWiki: Page editing; (liangent) 11:04 < wikibugs> (mod) Cannot redirect to the correct section when 2 sections with the same title exist - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21275 summary (liangent) 11:10 < wikibugs> (DUP) Cannot redirect to the correct section when 2 sections with the same title exist - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21275 +comment (alex.emsenhuber) 11:10 < wikibugs> (mod) Return to page after edit of section (where section name occurs multiple times) - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=111 +comment (alex.emsenhuber) 11:13 -!- basile [n=guillom@wikimedia/guillom] has quit ["back to guillom"] 11:21 -!- Pathoschild [n=Jesse@wikimedia/Pathoschild] has quit ["*poof*"] 11:23 -!- Fabian [n=Fabian_T@85.182.52.41] has joined #mediawiki 11:23 < Fabian> Hey 11:25 < Fabian> Someone here? 11:25 < MaxSem> !ask 11:25 < mwbot> Don't say "I have a question", or ask "Is anyone around?" or "Can anyone help?". Just ask the question, and someone will help you if they can. See also: !gethelp 11:25 -!- WaterRatj [i=watsjie@unaffiliated/waterratj] has joined #mediawiki 11:26 -!- flubub118 [n=Flubub@dslb-088-067-126-053.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #mediawiki 11:26 < Fabian> Okay, ahm, I want to make a site in my wiki which just is able to see for "Administrators" 11:26 < Fabian> I didn't found anything for that in the FAQ 11:27 < MaxSem> !access 11:28 < mwbot> For information on customizing user access, see . For common examples of restricting access using both rights and extensions, see . 11:29 -!- sreher [n=sreher@g226090145.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [] 11:30 -!- avinoamr [n=avinoamr@91.198.254.100] has joined #mediawiki 11:30 -!- SPQRobin1 [n=Robin@d54C5A38B.access.telenet.be] has joined #mediawiki 11:30 < navap> Is it possible that MediaWiki:Common.css is disabled? I've entered some css in but it doesn't seem to be taking affect. 11:31 < MaxSem> have you purged browser cache? 11:31 < navap> Yes, and I've tried it in a different (fresh) browser. 11:32 -!- henna [n=jeg@wikipedia/henna] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 11:33 < Fabian> MaxSem. There is much shown yes, but I want that I can just see this page. There is about editing etc. 11:33 < navap> Does Common.css only take affect when using the MonoBook theme? 11:33 < ialex> no 11:33 < MaxSem> !cms 11:33 < mwbot> Wikis are designed for openness, to be readable and editable by all. If you want a forum, a blog, a web authoring toolkit or corporate content management system, perhaps don't use wiki software. There is a nice overview of free tools available at including the possibility to try each system. For ways to restrict access in MediaWiki, see !access. 11:33 < OverlordQ> it's common to all skins hence the name 11:33 < avinoamr> Hey guys. We're seeing huge load and delays when running refreshLinks2 on a template that's used on 1,600,000 pages. We have 1 master and 3 replication DB servers, running the jobs simultaneously on 3 application servers with 3 processes each. The job queue is populated with ~4,000 refreshLinks2 jobs. Do you know how it can be improved? It's causing replication lags and general slowness (maybe due to locks), and a small load on the master. 11:34 < navap> Well if I change my skin to MonoBook I cann see Common.css being applied. 11:34 < avinoamr> It already took this setup 3 days to get from 4,000 jobs in the queue to 1,500. 11:34 < MaxSem> avinoamr, just don't use such monstrous template 11:35 < MaxSem> Wikimedia also has problems with job queues in such cases 11:36 -!- Fabian [n=Fabian_T@85.182.52.41] has left #mediawiki [] 11:36 < avinoamr> MaxSem: Thanks, but is there no alternative solution? Maybe using a different job-handling mechanism of some sort? 11:37 < avinoamr> You can see the template here: http://wikicafe.metacafe.com/en/Template:Video 11:37 < avinoamr> We use it to present each actual video page in namespace 0 11:37 < avinoamr> So it's linked to 100% of the main namespace pages 11:38 < Tuxedo_> what is the best way to change an existing media wiki from having used hashed file directories as in /images/a/ab/foo.jpg to /images/foo.jpg logic? As far as I understand setting $wgHashedUploadDirectory = false; will result in errors. In other words, I can I convert the existign structure into the new one? 11:39 < MaxSem> it's still 1.6 M pages to re-parse 11:39 * MaxSem follows the link and loses consciousness 11:40 < OverlordQ> only thing I can suggest is dont edit it so much lol :( 11:40 < MaxSem> actually, there is a way 11:41 < MaxSem> don't automatically create wiki pages for every posted video 11:42 < Tuxedo_> Can I simply delete the images folder via the shell, recreate an empty one, and do an importImages.php procedure with a new non-hashed settings in LocalSettings? 11:42 < MaxSem> make a 'wiki page not found' handler that imitates content you currently automatically post 11:42 < Tuxedo_> Or will that cause other errors because of the corresponding wiki pages that existed for the previous images (which are all the same by the way). 11:43 < MaxSem> then just prefill edit box with that infobox upon first edit 11:45 -!- dgts [n=dgts@p4FDB729E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #mediawiki 11:46 -!- henna [n=jeg@195-241-137-95.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #mediawiki 11:47 -!- SPQRobin [n=Robin@wikimedia/SPQRobin] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 11:48 < avinoamr> MaxSem: Thanks. Product-wise, it's not ideal though. I guess there's no easy way around it, technically anyway. So, would you say the architecture of using a single template to render all of the video pages is wrong? 11:49 < MaxSem> I'd say that you're using MediaWiki for things it's not intended to do 11:49 < MaxSem> you also seem to have problems with semantic queries performance 11:52 < avinoamr> Yea, we're doing our best to improve the SMW performance. We were actually looking for a wiki-oriented way of allowing our users to fully edit the meta-data surrounding our videos. MW made sense, instead of having to develop our own implementation of a similar tool, but technically, we're seeing some difficulties. 11:56 < MaxSem> do you really need a fully developed wiki engine? 11:57 < avinoamr> Well, we would like editing capabilities, and maybe of the available extensions. I suppose we don't need every wiki feature, but most are vital for complete product versatility 11:57 < avinoamr> maybe = some* 11:58 < avinoamr> MaxSem: btw, how did you encounter the SMW performance issues? 11:59 < MaxSem> browse properties->click on any link 11:59 -!- Anandir [n=anandir@static-217-133-33-207.clienti.tiscali.it] has joined #mediawiki 12:00 < avinoamr> MaxSem: Yeah, that's also happens because of the general slowness produced by the multiple runJobs.php processes. 12:00 < avinoamr> Out wiki servers were VERY slow last couple of days :) 12:00 < avinoamr> our* 12:01 < Anandir> Hi everybody! I'm a newbie regarding mediawiki. Is it possible to have the extension used by wikibooks for the development stages of a books? Thanks in advances. 12:03 < MaxSem> Anandir, http://en.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Stage&action=edit ? 12:03 -!- rainman-sr [n=rainman@user-544522c7.lns4-c11.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #mediawiki 12:04 < Anandir> MaxSem: Yes. 12:05 < wikibugs> (NEW) incategory should work with wildcards - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21276 enhancement; Normal; Wikimedia: lucene-search-2; (rainman) 12:08 < Anandir> MaxSam: http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Help:Development_stages <-- To use this in a my wiki. 12:08 < Tuxedo_> Or do I basically batch delete all image pages (eg. http://www.mysexywiki.com/File:Wide_image.jpg) as well as the images themselves to avoid database errors and then to a clean batch import? 12:08 < navap> The css that I put in Common.css only applies when I add '&useskin=monobook'. If I use any other theme it doesn't apply. What's going on? 12:08 < MaxSem> copy+paste the template ,upload the images it needs 12:10 < Anandir> MaxSem: Really??! Wow... Many many thanks!!! 12:10 < Tuxedo_> I guess there's no documented way of converted from hashed upload file structure to non-hashed, at least not without manually removing images from the wiki via the browser and thereafter do a batch import. 12:10 < OverlordQ> move the files, change the setting, should be good 12:11 < navap> Okay it looks like Common.css doesn't work only with a skin I created. It works with any of the default skins. 12:12 < avinoamr> MaxSem: OverlordQ: Anyways, thanks for your help guys :D 12:12 -!- flubub119 [n=Flubub@88.67.126.53] has joined #mediawiki 12:14 < Tuxedo_> Thanks OverloardQ. Will try. 12:15 -!- Ilias-I [n=Illyism@83.101.12.177] has joined #mediawiki 12:17 -!- flubub118 [n=Flubub@dslb-088-067-126-053.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 12:19 < OverlordQ> dont quote me on that, ymmv, {{standard disclaimer}} 12:20 -!- ThomasV [n=ThomasV@28.30.73-86.rev.gaoland.net] has quit ["Quitte"] 12:30 -!- bove [n=bo_sanne@cm-84.208.106.194.getinternet.no] has joined #mediawiki 12:30 < bove> do I have to make an extension to create a special page? 12:32 -!- illyism [n=Illyism@83.101.12.44] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 12:32 -!- illyism [n=Illyism@83.101.12.44] has joined #mediawiki 12:33 < OverlordQ> well I suppose you could put all the code in LocalSettings but it'd get messy 12:34 -!- illyism [n=Illyism@83.101.12.44] has quit [Client Quit] 12:39 -!- Ilias-I [n=Illyism@83.101.12.177] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 12:42 -!- illyism [n=Illyism@83.101.12.44] has joined #mediawiki 12:43 -!- sreher [n=sreher@188.96.237.28] has joined #mediawiki 12:44 < Tuxedo_> OverlordQ: It worked without problem! 12:48 < Tuxedo_> However, I simply removed the hashed directory, re-created an empty directory, but php importImages.php /tmp/images then thinks the images exist, because tehy do in the database records of the images pages I guess, so nothing is imported by default, but running with --overwrite flag solved it. All images intact and in the new non-hashed, less confusing set-up. 12:52 < Tuxedo_> Btw.: Are there any known disadvantages with the non-hashed image or file upload structure? Naturally MW's default installation has the recursive structure like in /images/a/ab/foo.jpg. Personally I find that to be a confusing directory layout, but I don't know if there's any advantages for it from a maintenance point of view. 12:54 -!- Marco27 [n=Marco27@wikipedia/Marco27] has joined #mediawiki 12:55 < OverlordQ> keeps large amount of files from being put into a single directory which can cause problems with some filesystems 12:57 < Tuxedo_> Haa! Is that an issue that relates mainly to Windows? 12:57 < Tuxedo_> Surely not a sensible *nix set-up, like FreeBSD or most Linux variants. 13:00 -!- dgts [n=dgts@p4FDB729E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 13:04 -!- Anandir [n=anandir@static-217-133-33-207.clienti.tiscali.it] has quit [] 13:06 -!- putnik [n=putnik@sand.ifmo.ru] has joined #mediawiki 13:07 -!- LauraHale [n=laurahal@adsl-99-144-230-190.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net] has joined #mediawiki 13:09 -!- flubub119 [n=Flubub@88.67.126.53] has quit ["Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de"] 13:09 < wikibugs> (mod) Create Romanian Planet Wikimedia - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20133 +comment (crangasi2001) 13:10 -!- BradLee [n=chatzill@CPE-121-219-177-21.lnse2.lon.bigpond.net.au] has joined #mediawiki 13:12 -!- bove [n=bo_sanne@cm-84.208.106.194.getinternet.no] has left #mediawiki [] 13:15 -!- vvv [n=vvv@mediawiki/VasilievVV] has joined #mediawiki 13:27 -!- Anubisss [i=Anubisss@ip-174-29-userpool.zeg.zelkanet.hu] has joined #mediawiki 13:28 -!- dungodung is now known as dungodung|away 13:30 -!- putnik [n=putnik@wikimedia/putnik] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 13:32 -!- Melos [n=Melos@wikimedia/Melos] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 13:32 -!- putnik [n=putnik@sand.ifmo.ru] has joined #mediawiki 13:33 -!- kernel [n=kernel@218.149.109.10] has joined #mediawiki 13:33 < Tuxedo_> For some reason after the image structure change I get various errors when veiwing images pages (as in File:xyz_image.jpg etc.). but if I reload the browser it doesn't happen a second time. 13:34 < Tuxedo_> And if I try to delete an imported image I get a strange error, or two conflicting errors. 13:35 < Tuxedo_> Error deleting file: Could not delete file public/archive/xyz... 13:35 < Tuxedo_> AS WELL AS: 13:35 < Tuxedo_> xyz.jpg has been deleted 13:37 -!- Platonides [n=Platonid@wikipedia/Platonides] has joined #mediawiki 13:38 < Tuxedo_> But it is definitely deleted. I thereafter upload it via the upload function. 13:39 < Tuxedo_> No errors. Also, when deleting the new image, no errors errors either. 13:40 -!- Marco27 [n=Marco27@wikipedia/Marco27] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 13:40 < Tuxedo_> Is there some kind of cache (MySQL?) clearing I should perform in the maintinance directory on the server after having changed directory structure? 13:40 -!- Marco27_ [n=Marco27@wikipedia/Marco27] has joined #mediawiki 13:41 -!- Marco27_ is now known as Marco27 13:43 < Tuxedo_> But I already have the settings: $wgEnableParserCache = false; $wgCachePages = false; 13:44 -!- putnik [n=putnik@wikimedia/putnik] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 13:44 -!- Melos [n=Melos@wikimedia/Melos] has joined #mediawiki 13:46 -!- putnik [n=putnik@194.85.161.34] has joined #mediawiki 13:47 < domas> tuxedo: you have very good opinion of linux file systems I see 13:48 < domas> very funny! 13:53 -!- ^demon [i=4c7b38d9@gateway/web/freenode/x-vuctcatuvkxwwmbn] has joined #mediawiki 13:54 < Tuxedo_> domas: Why? Surely not all Linux's are the same but I remember having kept a good few thousand images in a single image directory (without sub directories) serving many domains on a multi-domain set up and never had any noticable problems. Same goes for FreeBSD systems. Of course, there are many different file systems in the Linux/Unix world and at least two standard ones in the Windows... 13:54 < Tuxedo_> ...world I'm aware of (ntfs and FAT something). As for OSX, that is of course Unix. 13:55 < Tuxedo_> Not sure if you have had a bad experience with any particular Linux filesystem or non-subdirectory image/file storing? 13:56 < domas> it isn't bad experience, simply larger directory is, more expensive operations in it are 13:58 < domas> now, I understand few thousand images may not be a big amount 13:58 < domas> try a directory with few million files 13:59 < Tuxedo_> Well I haven't done any benchmarking but I've never noticed any drawbacks either. In terms of maintinance, back up or import/export images in a MW, it is surely more easily handles in a non-recurive directory. 13:59 < Tuxedo_> Yes, a few million I certainly haven't any experience with. But of course, this applies to the likes of Wikipedia. 14:00 < domas> do note, filesystems don't have cursors or cheap consistent snapshots, etc 14:00 < domas> positionable cursors, that is 14:01 < CIA-81> rotem * r58109 /trunk/phase3/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Localization update for he, and rebuilding en. 14:02 -!- Ilias-I [n=Illyism@83.101.12.44] has joined #mediawiki 14:06 < Tuxedo_> domas: I dont really know anything about the subject I'm afraid. 14:06 < domas> don't worry, you're not alone!!!! 14:08 < ^demon> hi domas. 14:08 < domas> hey chad 14:13 < CIA-81> maxsem * r58110 /trunk/phase3/includes/AutoLoader.php: Follow-up to r58067: removed UploadFormMogile from AutoLoader 14:14 < domas> maxsem: nuke the Mogile stuff 14:14 < domas> I had an email in drafts folder 14:14 < domas> never managed to send it :) 14:14 -!- illyism [n=Illyism@83.101.12.44] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 14:14 < ialex> domas: the whole extensions/MogileClient ? 14:15 < domas> ah, extension can stay there 14:15 < domas> some people have actually used it for their other projects :) 14:15 < MaxSem> anything else remaining? 14:15 < ialex> don't think so 14:15 < domas> ah, ok 14:15 -!- JC [n=JC@wikimedia/Juliancolton] has joined #mediawiki 14:15 < ialex> MaxSem: thanks for that, btw :) 14:15 < MaxSem> hehe) 14:16 < Tuxedo_> Anyway, after having changed to (my prefered) non-recursive structure, when viewing a File:xyz.jpg page I get many warnings relating to imagecreatefromjpeg, imagesx, imagesy, imagecopyresampled andabout another seven similar warnings, but the page is shown. If I reload the page, all works. And as mentioned before, when deleting an image. But otehrwise all seems to work. Just a few ugly warnings. 14:17 < Tuxedo_> I also tried the undocumented rebuildImages.php but no idea what it does. 14:17 < Tuxedo_> Some of these maintenance scripts appear to have the --help flag while other don't and when running with the --help parameter they actually execute..... 14:18 < Tuxedo_> A bit inconsistent. 14:21 -!- stephan481 [n=rjp@pdpc/supporter/student/stephan48] has joined #mediawiki 14:21 -!- stephan48 [n=rjp@pdpc/supporter/student/stephan48] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 14:22 < ^demon> Tuxedo_: Most of them should have --help now. Originally it was even more hit-or-miss. 14:22 < ^demon> I merged a branch 2 months ago in an attempt to standardize maintenance scripts a bit more. 14:28 -!- kernel_ [n=kernel@218.149.109.10] has joined #mediawiki 14:28 -!- kernel [n=kernel@218.149.109.10] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 14:28 -!- aude [n=chatzill@wikipedia/Aude] has joined #mediawiki 14:30 < Tuxedo_> Glad to hear someone aims to keep order in the maintenance procedures. 14:30 -!- putnik [n=putnik@194.85.161.34] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 14:31 -!- Suiseiseki [i=desulove@wikipedia/Antonio-Lopez] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 14:32 < domas> ^demon: and caused some breakage!!! :) 14:32 -!- Suiseiseki [i=desulove@wikipedia/Antonio-Lopez] has joined #mediawiki 14:35 < ^demon> domas: Yeah, but that's all fixed now ;-) 14:36 < domas> indeed! 14:37 < CIA-81> demon * r58111 /trunk/phase3/includes/ (AutoLoader.php parser/Parser.php tidy.conf): Add bunch of missing classes to the Autoloader 14:38 < ^demon> Oops, forgot to svn diff. 14:38 -!- p858snake is now known as p858snake|sleep 14:39 < CIA-81> maxsem * r58112 /trunk/phase3/maintenance/parserTests.txt: Removed byte-order mark from parser tests definition 14:40 < p858snake|sleep> Tuxedo_: most of those scripts where just quick hacks to fix something and have indivually evolved from there 14:43 < CIA-81> demon * r58113 /trunk/phase3/includes/tidy.conf: Partial revert r58111 14:43 < Tuxedo_> What does rebuildtextindex.php do? I just reinstalled a MW and imported images and pages from a previous set-up. Realising search results to not work as before. What things should I rebuild after a complete update? 14:45 -!- svip [n=svip@unaffiliated/svip] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 14:46 < ^demon> "Rebuild search index table from scratch" 14:46 < Tuxedo_> rebuildall.php? 14:47 -!- Platonides [n=Platonid@wikipedia/Platonides] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 14:47 < ^demon> Calls rebuildtextindex.php, rebuildrecentchanges.php and refreshLinks.php\ 14:48 < Tuxedo_> OK. Thanks! 14:48 * OverlordQ does a happy dance 14:50 -!- Platonides [n=Platonid@wikipedia/Platonides] has joined #mediawiki 14:51 < Platonides> Tuxedo_. you may want rebuildall.php 14:51 -!- Mike||gone is now known as Mike_lifeguard 14:52 -!- Fflapjac [n=frederic@wikimedia/Microchip08] has quit ["Leaving."] 14:53 -!- Mike_lifeguard [n=Mike@wikimedia/mikelifeguard] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 14:53 < Tuxedo_> I did the former 3 things suggested by ^demon and that fixed any problems I'm aware of, including the image display warnings on first time views. But I'll give rebuildall a try in case there's still something missing. Thanks. 14:54 < Platonides> Tuxedo_, I got disconnected, so I didn't see all intermediate messages 14:55 -!- svip [n=svip@prussia.theinfosphere.org] has joined #mediawiki 14:55 < OverlordQ> you didn't miss anything 14:55 < Tuxedo_> Did that too, which completed witout errors! All is now looking very good :-) 14:55 < ^demon> Oh, I was just saying that rebuildall does those 3 things. 14:55 < ^demon> :p 14:56 < Platonides> xD 14:57 -!- Mike_lifeguard [n=Mike@wikimedia/mikelifeguard] has joined #mediawiki 14:58 -!- Mike_lifeguard [n=Mike@wikimedia/mikelifeguard] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 14:59 -!- flyingparchment [i=river@loreley.flyingparchment.org.uk] has joined #mediawiki 14:59 -!- Prodego [n=Prodego@wikipedia/Prodego] has joined #mediawiki 15:04 < CIA-81> aaron * r58114 /trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/specialpages/ProblemChanges_body.php: 15:04 < CIA-81> * Fix category check 15:04 < CIA-81> * Move code to look a bit clearer 15:06 -!- vvv [n=vvv@mediawiki/VasilievVV] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 15:11 < wikibugs> (NEW) Aliases for namespaces \u0d15\u0d35\u0d3e\u0d1f\u0d02 & \u0d15\u0d35\u0d3e\u0d1f\u0d24\u0d4d\u0d24\u0d3f\u0d28\u0d4d\u0d31\u0d46 \u0d38\u0d02\u0d35\u0d3e\u0d26\u0d02 - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21277 normal; Normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (vssun9) 15:13 < wikibugs> (mod) RevisionDelete does not work under Postgres - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20150 (overlordq) 15:17 -!- putnik [n=putnik@194.85.161.34] has joined #mediawiki 15:18 < Tuxedo_> rebuildall is probably the only one I can remember till next time :-) 15:18 < wikibugs> (mod) Aliases for namespaces \u0d15\u0d35\u0d3e\u0d1f\u0d02 & \u0d15\u0d35\u0d3e\u0d1f\u0d24\u0d4d\u0d24\u0d3f\u0d28\u0d4d\u0d31\u0d46 \u0d38\u0d02\u0d35\u0d3e\u0d26\u0d02 - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21277 +comment (vssun9) 15:19 -!- Jinx [i=Dojo@99.190.87.234] has joined #MediaWiki 15:21 < MaxSem> hmm, I'm getting numerous lines in my debug log: 15:21 < MaxSem> Class pear not found; skipped loading 15:22 -!- kernel_ [n=kernel@218.149.109.10] has quit ["http://www.Archlinux.org"] 15:23 < wikibugs> (mod) Aliases for namespaces \u0d15\u0d35\u0d3e\u0d1f\u0d02 & \u0d15\u0d35\u0d3e\u0d1f\u0d24\u0d4d\u0d24\u0d3f\u0d28\u0d4d\u0d31\u0d46 \u0d38\u0d02\u0d35\u0d3e\u0d26\u0d02 - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21277 +shell (marco27.wiki) 15:25 -!- ans-tot1222 [n=sysadmin@118.174.21.224.adsl.dynamic.totbb.net] has joined #mediawiki 15:25 -!- AzaToth [n=azatoth@wikipedia/AzaToth] has joined #mediawiki 15:26 -!- Mike||gone [n=Mike@wikimedia/mikelifeguard] has joined #mediawiki 15:28 < wikibugs> (NEW) Allow wiki markup to the sidebar - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21278 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: User interface; (Platonides) 15:30 < wikibugs> (mod) Allow wiki markup to the sidebar - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21278 (Platonides) 15:33 -!- JNSamuel [n=JSamuel@unaffiliated/eckstasy] has joined #mediawiki 15:42 -!- sreher [n=sreher@188.96.237.28] has quit [] 15:44 -!- Mike||gone is now known as Mike_lifeguard 15:45 -!- nebula [n=nebula@94.120.251.120] has joined #mediawiki 15:47 < svip> Anyone know if my patch was ever used? 15:48 < ^demon> svip: For what bug? 15:48 < svip> Uhm. 15:48 < svip> How do I find bugs I have participated in? 15:49 -!- acat [n=acatheri@ip72-192-1-214.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #mediawiki 15:49 -!- nebula [n=nebula@94.120.251.120] has left #mediawiki [] 15:50 -!- acat [n=acatheri@ip72-192-1-214.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 15:50 < ^demon> Advanced search, but your name in the e-mail box, check the boxes for bugs you've reported, cc'd to, commented on, etc. 15:50 < ^demon> Your bugzilla e-mail, not your name :) 15:51 < svip> https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13228 15:51 < svip> There we go. 15:53 -!- BradLee [n=chatzill@CPE-121-219-177-21.lnse2.lon.bigpond.net.au] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.3/20090824101458]"] 15:56 < ialex> svip: + global $wgContLang, $wgLang, $wgOut, $wgUser, $wgRequest, $wgArticle. $wgAdditionalNamespaceDefinitions; 15:56 < svip> Eek. 15:56 < ialex> that's a nice syntax error :) 15:56 < svip> :< 15:57 < svip> Sorry. 16:02 < CIA-81> ialex * r58115 /trunk/phase3/includes/EditPage.php: 16:02 < CIA-81> * $fname -> __METHOD__ 16:02 < CIA-81> * whitespaces fixes 16:06 -!- flubub119 [n=Flubub@dslb-088-067-126-053.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #mediawiki 16:08 -!- Prodego [n=Prodego@wikipedia/Prodego] has quit ["From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia"] 16:09 -!- putnik [n=putnik@194.85.161.34] has quit [Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)] 16:09 -!- j^_ [n=j@92.225.151.204] has joined #mediawiki 16:15 -!- j^ [n=j@g225151091.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 16:15 -!- Ilias-I is now known as SwinesFly 16:15 -!- SwinesFly is now known as Illyism 16:17 -!- Elmaron [n=elmi@p57B0B911.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #mediawiki 16:17 < Elmaron> hi 16:17 < Elmaron> I'm having problems with my template 16:17 < Elmaron> the first problem is already apparent here: http://eloxoph.com/irc-wiki/Template:Software the template includes itself for a preview 16:17 < Elmaron> but it always shows an older version there (apparently the one *before* the last submit) 16:19 < CIA-81> aaron * r58116 /trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/ (FlaggedArticle.php flaggedrevs.css): HTML5 notices 16:19 < Elmaron> the second problem is here: http://eloxoph.com/irc-wiki/mIRC (see how http://eloxoph.com/irc-wiki/irssi works just fine) 16:19 < Elmaron> the author's name in the template box at the right is a bit shifted to the top 16:19 < Elmaron> this is because mediawiki outputs


after the actual value 16:20 < Elmaron> not sure how to get rid of it 16:20 < Elmaron> :| 16:20 -!- Illyism is now known as Ilias-I 16:22 -!- MaxSem [n=max@wikimedia/MaxSem] has quit ["Rebooting"] 16:22 < Elmaron> it seems like it only happens when {{license}} has no value 16:22 < Elmaron> still, I don't see how I could eleminitate this 16:22 < Elmaron> when license is undefined I'm having two line breaks after the final row of the author column 16:23 < Elmaron> of which one mediawiki seems to take as being part of the content 16:23 < Elmaron> though when I'm not doing line breaks between the end and the new start of an {{ #if:, my table is completely jerked 16:23 < Elmaron> probably because #if ignores line breaks in its values 16:23 < Elmaron> I don't know 16:23 < Elmaron> but how am I supposed to circumvent this? 16:24 < Elmaron> maybe {{#if: prints out line breaks in its values but trims them 16:24 -!- siebrand [n=beis@67.111.52.130.ptr.us.xo.net] has quit [] 16:24 < Elmaron> that effectively stops me from putting a line break in front of every {{#if output value if it is there so it will start a new row properly 16:24 < Elmaron> I have no idea, but please give me a hint 16:27 < Elmaron> fixed it by creating a {{CRLF}} template now to force that darn thing to output the line break inside that condition 16:27 < Elmaron> but the code doesn't really look nice now, if there is a cleaner way to solve this, please tell me 16:27 < Elmaron> strange, now it broke again... hm 16:28 < CIA-81> aaron * r58117 /trunk/phase3/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Added deleted diff notice for unhide=1 urls to be clear and consistent 16:28 < Elmaron> arghs 16:28 < Elmaron> anyone here?? 16:28 < Elmaron> I really need some help 16:29 < Amgine> There are people here. 16:29 < Amgine> We may not have an answer for you, however. 16:30 < Elmaron> my big problem is that {{#if: strips away my leading line breaks apparently 16:30 < Elmaron> this trashes the whole table and is really, really bad 16:30 < Elmaron> I need a way to work around this but I don't know any 16:30 < CIA-81> aaron * r58118 /trunk/phase3/includes/diff/DifferenceInterface.php: Tweak r58117: removed diff-multi class 16:30 < Elmaron> or another solution would be: have the parser ignore any additional line breaks between two table rows 16:31 < wikibugs> (FIXED) RevDelete unclear on suppression - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21271 +comment (JSchulz_4587) 16:31 < Elmaron> so it doesn't add them to the previous table cell, but simply ignores those additional blank lines 16:31 -!- JW|AFK is now known as Jake_Wartenberg 16:34 < Elmaron> wow 16:34 < Elmaron> the code is so hackish now :D 16:34 < Elmaron> Amgine: [linebreak] did it^^ 16:35 < Amgine> 16:35 < Elmaron> now erm... how do I properly quote a template inside itself? 16:35 < Amgine> I find much of parserfunctions development to look hackish. 16:35 < Elmaron> in 16:35 < Elmaron> so it shows the most current version for a preview? 16:35 < CIA-81> ialex * r58119 /trunk/extensions/LiquidThreads/ (classes/HotTopics.php pages/SpecialHotTopics.php): svn:eol-style native 16:36 -!- avinoamr [n=avinoamr@91.198.254.100] has left #mediawiki [] 16:36 < Amgine> {{template}} will show the output, but I don't know of a way to show the current wikitax. 16:37 < Elmaron> well 16:37 < Elmaron> {{template}} is exactly what I want 16:37 < CIA-81> kipcool * r58120 /trunk/extensions/Wikidata/util/stats.php: Fixed incorrect statistics with deleted translations counted. 16:37 < Elmaron> the only problem is: when you submit that, {{template}} will expand to the version of the template _before_ you submitted 16:38 < Elmaron> that is, if you change the template and submit, the {{template}} inside the area will reflect the older version before the very last submit 16:38 < Elmaron> this also isn't fixed by pressing F5 like mad or waiting a bit or clearing browser cache 16:38 < Elmaron> caching related maybe 16:38 -!- TodWulff [n=TodWulff@unaffiliated/todwulff] has joined #mediawiki 16:38 < Platonides> Elmaron, have you tried purging? 16:39 < Elmaron> purging the browser cache? 16:39 < Elmaron> I thought of a server-side cache that causes those issues 16:39 < Platonides> going to the page with action=purge 16:39 < Elmaron> oh 16:39 < Elmaron> interesting 16:39 < Elmaron> no didn't try that yet 16:39 < wikibugs> (mod) RevisionDelete does not work under Postgres - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20150 (JSchulz_4587) 16:40 < Elmaron> http://eloxoph.com/irc-wiki/Irssi <= looks really nice now :)) 16:40 < Elmaron> templates are cool when they work, lol 16:40 < Platonides> hehe 16:41 -!- Rjd0060 [n=Rjd0060@wikimedia/Rjd0060] has quit ["Leaving"] 16:41 < Elmaron> as a C programmer, no syntax obscurities will stop me!! lol 16:42 < wikibugs> (NEW) Delete/RevisionDelete links breaking / urgent schema issue - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21279 major; Normal; MediaWiki: Deleting; (FT2.wiki) 16:44 -!- Rjd0060 [n=Rjd0060@wikimedia/Rjd0060] has joined #mediawiki 16:46 < wikibugs> (mod) Delete/RevisionDelete links breaking / urgent schema issue - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21279 +comment (FT2.wiki) 16:47 < Elmaron> Platonides, purge helps :)) just tested it 16:47 < Elmaron> thanks 16:48 < wikibugs> (mod) Schema request change so deleted edits are identified by revisionID not timestamp (prevents DIFFs from breaking) - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18104 (FT2.wiki) 16:48 < Platonides> no problem 16:48 < Platonides> you shouldn't have needed that, looks like a bug on mediawiki 16:49 < Elmaron> I always need to do it after submitting a template so it shows itself referenced in accordingly 16:50 -!- ialex [n=IAlex@wikipedia/ialex] has quit [] 16:50 < Elmaron> so it's 100% reproducible 16:52 -!- atglenn1 [n=ariel@c-24-23-247-101.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #mediawiki 16:53 < Elmaron> Platonides, is there an easy way to have "Purge" tab besides the Edit, Move, [...] tabs? 16:53 -!- atglenn1 [n=ariel@c-24-23-247-101.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 16:53 < wikibugs> (NEW) Document Linker.php - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21280 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (Platonides) 16:54 < Platonides> yes, that would be easy with javascript 16:55 < OverlordQ> maybe those revdelete bugs will make it get revamped so it'll work on things != MySQL :D 16:55 < wikibugs> (NEW) Page name not displayed in the header, for some deleted diffs - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21281 normal; Normal; MediaWiki: Deleting; (FT2.wiki) 16:55 < Elmaron> hm 16:55 < Elmaron> I have another small problem 16:55 < Elmaron> my software template obviously needs to be written at the beginning of the text as it uses float:right 16:55 < Elmaron> but when doing that and ending the template and all its parameters with }}, I need to start the article text _in the same line_ 16:56 < Elmaron> so it doesn't have blanked lines in the final layout aswell which looks very odd 16:56 < Elmaron> but having it start in the same line looks very odd in terms of page source 16:56 < Elmaron> any ways I can make mediawiki also skip linebreaks in front of article text when there was just a single template in front of them? 16:56 < Elmaron> that expands to a float:right table anyway 16:56 < Elmaron> :/ 16:58 -!- simNIX [n=simNIX@92.254.60.156] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 17:00 < Platonides> Elmaron, remove trailing spaces from the template? 17:01 < Elmaron> hm no it looks like this: 17:01 < Elmaron> {{mysoftwaretemplate|name=blu|version=5.0|license=freeware}} 17:01 < Elmaron> article text 17:01 < Elmaron> and that linebreak gets shown in front of the text, by shifting the whole article down 17:01 < Platonides> but at the bottom of {{mysoftwaretemplate}} ? 17:01 < Elmaron> between the template and the article 17:01 < wikibugs> (NEW) &unhide=1 on next/prev diff links if already viewing the diff - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21282 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: Revision deletion; (FT2.wiki) 17:02 < Elmaron> http://eloxoph.com/irc-w/index.php?title=MIRC&action=edit <= I currently solve this by starting article text directly in the same line 17:02 < Elmaron> but as you can see, that looks pretty messy :/ 17:02 < Elmaron> I just wondered if there is a way to work around this that makes it cleaner for article editors 17:02 -!- Duesentrieb [n=daniel@pD9EAFAE3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #mediawiki 17:03 < Platonides> Elmaron, move to the same line as the on http://eloxoph.com/irc-wiki/Template:Software 17:03 < Platonides> hello Duesentrieb 17:03 -!- Hext [n=root@c-98-206-97-193.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #mediawiki 17:03 < Duesentrieb> hi Platonides 17:03 < Elmaron> yay!! 17:03 < Elmaron> that helped :DD thanks again 17:04 < Elmaron> I start to love template editing 17:04 < Elmaron> lol 17:04 < wikibugs> (mod) &unhide=1 on next/prev diff links if already viewing the diff - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21282 +comment (FT2.wiki) 17:04 < Elmaron> seriously, a software box at the right just rules 17:04 < Elmaron> I hope I will get a better google ranking one day so people will join me 17:04 < Elmaron> when searching for "irc wiki" you still catch some abandoned wikia wikis that have like 2 or 3 really, really bad articles 17:05 < Elmaron> (on google) 17:06 < OverlordQ> well those are two very generic terms 17:06 -!- apergos [n=ariel@wiktionary/ArielGlenn] has joined #mediawiki 17:06 < Elmaron> indeed. still, if those jerky wikia attempts got on the first page, I have to manage that, too >:-D 17:06 < Elmaron> I hope so at least =P 17:07 -!- Hext [n=root@c-98-206-97-193.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 17:07 -!- simNIX [n=simNIX@156-60.bbned.dsl.internl.net] has joined #mediawiki 17:16 -!- [[sroracle]] [n=sroracle@c-98-215-178-14.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #mediawiki 17:17 -!- Happy-melon [n=wiki@wikimedia/Happy-melon] has joined #mediawiki 17:18 < Happy-melon> how large is the rev_deleted bitfield?? 17:20 -!- TodWulff is now known as TodWulff|Busy 17:21 -!- mattis^ [n=mattis@p4FC1EA8A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #mediawiki 17:23 < Duesentrieb> at a guess, 32 bits 17:27 < Happy-melon> it's a tinyint, does that help? 17:28 -!- flubub1110 [n=Flubub@dslb-088-067-126-053.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #mediawiki 17:28 < Happy-melon> it's 8 bits 17:28 < Happy-melon> how disruptive a schema change is it to change the type of a column? 17:28 < Happy-melon> severe I expect? 17:29 -!- stephan48 [n=rjp@pdpc/supporter/student/stephan48] has joined #mediawiki 17:30 < OverlordQ> depends on what to what 17:30 -!- Anandawardhana_ [n=AW@124.43.34.20] has joined #mediawiki 17:30 -!- buzz_ [n=jools@lan.oxfordinspire.co.uk] has joined #mediawiki 17:31 < Happy-melon> tinyint to int, probably 17:31 -!- venmx [n=venmx@93-97-170-25.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has joined #mediawiki 17:31 -!- KaareAway is now known as Kaare 17:32 -!- Duesentrieb [n=daniel@wikipedia/duesentrieb] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 17:32 -!- Bdk[a] [n=bdk@wikipedia/bdka] has quit [Excess Flood] 17:32 < Happy-melon> OverlordQ ^^ I would think that would probably be bad? 17:33 < Platonides> Happy-melon, what do you want to store there? 17:34 < Happy-melon> in rev_deleted? A "hide placeholder" bit 17:34 < Happy-melon> !bug 20290 17:34 < mwbot> https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20290 17:34 -!- stephan481 [n=rjp@pdpc/supporter/student/stephan48] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 17:35 < Happy-melon> although if you were to set that without the "hide from admins" bit, you've actually also just deleted it without needing to move the whole revision to the archive table 17:35 < Happy-melon> !bug 21279 17:35 < mwbot> https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21279 17:35 < Happy-melon> moving revisions around is, IMO, the root cause of many of the problems we're now seeing with RevDelete 17:36 -!- mattis^1 [n=mattis@p4FC1B01B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 17:37 -!- Rgoodermote [n=Rgooderm@wikia/Rgoodermote] has joined #mediawiki 17:40 < Platonides> right 17:41 < Platonides> Happy-melon, looks like only 4 bits are used currently? 17:41 -!- Tuxedo__ [n=chatzill@p5B0D4D40.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #mediawiki 17:41 * Happy-melon thinks 17:42 < Happy-melon> I think you're right 17:42 < Platonides> rev_deleted isn't documented any good 17:42 -!- Tuxedo_ [n=chatzill@p5B0D59AF.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 17:42 < Happy-melon> I kind of assumed we'd filled it 17:42 -!- Tuxedo__ is now known as Tuxedo_ 17:42 < Platonides> maybe, I'm looking only at revision.php 17:43 -!- ans-tot1222 [n=sysadmin@118.174.21.224.adsl.dynamic.totbb.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 17:43 < Happy-melon> they're all the same 17:43 < Platonides> tables.sql still say Not yet used; reserved for future changes 17:43 < Happy-melon> all the XX_DELETED_YY stuff 17:43 < Happy-melon> yeah, all the doc on mw.org says the same 17:43 < Platonides> and http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Bitfields_for_rev_deleted 'This section is largely, if not wholly, inaccurate.' 17:43 < Happy-melon> bug 1 again... 17:43 < Platonides> yep 17:44 -!- JC is now known as JC|AFK 17:44 < Happy-melon> hmm, so it doesn't even require a schema change 17:44 < Happy-melon> just turning a whole table into one bit :D 17:44 -!- Umir [n=forbidde@dpc693568140.direcpc.com] has joined #mediawiki 17:44 -!- flubub119 [n=Flubub@dslb-088-067-126-053.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 17:45 -!- ans-tot1222 [n=sysadmin@118.174.34.185.adsl.dynamic.totbb.net] has joined #mediawiki 17:45 < Happy-melon> WTF is rev_parent_id? 17:46 < Platonides> the previous revision 17:46 < Platonides> not using in the gui 17:46 -!- MaxSem [n=max@wikimedia/MaxSem] has joined #mediawiki 17:47 < Happy-melon> ok 17:47 < Happy-melon> looks like that must be lost on deletion anyway 17:47 < Happy-melon> no ar_parent_id 17:47 -!- Anandawardhana [n=AW@124.43.155.170] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 17:47 < Happy-melon> biggest problem seems to be a lack of rev_title 17:47 < Happy-melon> when pages are deleted, their entry in the page table is removed, so rev_page becomes invalid 17:48 < Happy-melon> linking is preserved in archive using ar_title 17:48 < Happy-melon> but we can't do that in revision 17:48 -!- Elmaron [n=elmi@p57B0B911.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #mediawiki ["Bye"] 17:48 < Happy-melon> we'd need to stop deleting rows from page on deletion, and add a page_deleted bitfield... 17:49 < Platonides> that would need to change all queries to page table 17:49 -!- Rgoodermote [n=Rgooderm@wikia/Rgoodermote] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 17:49 < Happy-melon> who wants to rewrite the whole deletion mechanism from the ground up? :D 17:50 < Platonides> Happy-melon, there is ar_parent_id 17:50 < Platonides> it's the last one 17:50 < Nikerabbit> hello all and Happy-melon 17:50 < Platonides> hi Nikerabbit 17:50 < Happy-melon> platonides: oh, I guess it's just not documented... 17:51 < Happy-melon> what a surprise :P 17:51 < Happy-melon> hello Nikerabbit 17:51 < Platonides> bug 1 again xD 17:51 * Happy-melon wonders why I don't qualify as "all"... :S 17:52 < Platonides> Happy-melon, where is it not documented? 17:52 < Platonides> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Archive_table ? 17:52 < Happy-melon> it's in the DESCRIBE output but not in column descriptions 17:53 < Platonides> yes 17:54 -!- Anandawardhana_ [n=AW@124.43.34.20] has quit ["Leaving"] 17:54 * Happy-melon documents 17:54 < Happy-melon> when was it added to archive? 17:54 < Platonides> probable at 1.13 17:55 < Happy-melon> it says rev_parent_id was in 1.10, but the 1.12 DESCRIBE for archive doesn't have it... 17:55 < Platonides> confirmed 17:56 < Happy-melon> gdgd 17:56 < Platonides> it's not in http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/branches/REL1_12/phase3/maintenance/tables.sql?view=markup but is in http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/branches/REL1_13/phase3/maintenance/tables.sql?view=markup 17:57 < Umir> I just recently set up MediaWiki on my server hosted through SuperGreen, and I'm having an issue. Turns out that I'm the only one that can't stay logged into it. Everyone else that has tried can, but not me =(. To my knowledge it's not a cookie problem, because I can stay logged into WikiMedia sites like Wikipedia no problem. I believe the cause might be the fact that I'm using a satellite internet connection. 17:57 < Happy-melon> yeah I was just starting to check that, you beat me to it 17:57 -!- TodWulff [n=TodWulff@unaffiliated/todwulff] has joined #mediawiki 17:57 < Umir> Anyone heard of this? Know any work-arounds? 17:57 < Platonides> I was also writing to the wiki, you beat me to save :) 17:58 -!- TodWulff|Busy [n=TodWulff@unaffiliated/todwulff] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 17:58 -!- TodWulff is now known as TodWulff|Busy 17:58 < Platonides> Umir, hearing people complaining that they can't stay logged in, yes 17:59 < Platonides> as to what can be your real problem, no idea 17:59 < Platonides> have you tried different browser, different computer? 17:59 < MaxSem> you're not working via a satellite link, by chance? 18:00 < Umir> Satellite link, and yeah I've tried different browsers and computers, but all of course are on the same home network communicating out with the satellite. 18:00 < wikibugs> (mod) Delete/RevisionDelete links breaking / urgent schema issue - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21279 +comment (happy-melon) 18:00 -!- siebrand [n=beis@216.239.45.19] has joined #mediawiki 18:00 < MaxSem> har har har 18:00 * MaxSem looks up archives for solution 18:00 -!- Rgoodermote [n=Rgooderm@wikia/Rgoodermote] has joined #mediawiki 18:01 -!- Ilias-I is now known as Illyism 18:01 < OverlordQ> most sattelite isps probably use some wonky caching servers 18:02 -!- buzz_ [n=jools@lan.oxfordinspire.co.uk] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 18:02 < Umir> Probably, I'm on Hughes-Net (or whatever they call themselves, they have to change names every so often to renew their image). It's been a horrifying two years =P 18:03 < MaxSem> yeah, the same broken "caching optimizer geniuses" 18:03 < Rgoodermote> If you want to bypass that cache you could use opendns. 18:04 < MaxSem> if ( isset( $_SERVER['REQUEST_URI'] ) && strpos( $_SERVER['REQUEST_URI'], '&' ) !== false ) { exit( 'Fiendish!' ); } 18:04 -!- buzz_ [n=jools@lan.oxfordinspire.co.uk] has joined #mediawiki 18:04 < MaxSem> try adding this to your LocalSettings.php 18:04 -!- zrh [n=zrh@dynamic-80-242-196-236.catv.glattnet.ch] has joined #mediawiki 18:04 < MaxSem> recipe by TimStarling 18:04 < Umir> Will try, thanks! 18:05 -!- EcKstasy [n=JSamuel@unaffiliated/eckstasy] has joined #mediawiki 18:06 < Happy-melon> MaxSem: what does that do? 18:06 < Platonides> stop mediawiki loading if there's a raw & in the url :s 18:06 < MaxSem> it says all requests from Hughes' broken precacher to jerk off 18:07 < MaxSem> including that vital Special:Userlogout link on every page 18:07 < MaxSem> *tells 18:08 -!- GreenSleeper is now known as GreenReaper 18:08 < Platonides> so it breaks the site for all Hughes precacher users 18:08 < Umir> Seems to be working as it should now, thanks so much, I've spent the whole weekend almost trying to figure that out on my own :D 18:08 < Platonides> what does it fix? :s 18:09 -!- sreher [n=sreher@188.96.237.28] has joined #mediawiki 18:10 < Umir> So.. does it workaround it? Or am I just getting a moment of proper operation. It let me stay logged in for a couple hours last night. 18:10 * Happy-melon penny drops 18:10 < Happy-melon> well, sort of 18:11 < Happy-melon> not sure about the "URL contains raw &" == "Hughes precacher" 18:11 < Happy-melon> but I'll live with it :D 18:13 < MaxSem> Happy-melon, yes, luckily they're THAT lame. if they decoded links in XHTML correctly before fetching every linked page, the problem would have been almost unsolvable) 18:14 < Happy-melon> how ridiculous 18:14 -!- EcKstasy [n=JSamuel@unaffiliated/eckstasy] has quit [Client Quit] 18:14 -!- exercicio [i=bd6697e4@gateway/web/freenode/x-iohwoqykqsdchyxs] has joined #mediawiki 18:14 < exercicio> trying to delete old revisions with maintenanceshell "1064: You have an error in your SQL syntax; check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL " 18:15 < MaxSem> just how fast function_exists() is? is it worth the effort to cache its result? 18:19 < Tuxedo_> I've set up sharing files between two languages/sub-domains using the method at 18:19 < Tuxedo_> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgForeignFileRepos#Using_files_from_a_database_that_you_can_access_:_ForeignDBRepo 18:19 < Tuxedo_> However, I think the example is intended for two wikis only. How can the same be done but for three (or more) wikis so that they can all access files between each other? 18:19 -!- Umir [n=forbidde@dpc693568140.direcpc.com] has left #mediawiki [] 18:19 < Platonides> MaxSem, it's probably a lookup on a zend hash table 18:19 < Platonides> just like a variable check 18:20 < CIA-81> siebrand * r58121 /trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Remove duplicate parameter in 'oldreviewedpages-watched' 18:20 < GreenReaper> Well, you could try adding additional entries for each other wiki 18:20 < MaxSem> yes, my profi\u0434\u0448\u0442\u0432 \u0448\u0442\u0432\u0448\u0441\u0444\u0435\u0443\u044b \u0435\u0440\u0444\u0435 \u0448\u0435\u044d\u044b \u0430\u0444\u044b\u0435 18:20 * GreenReaper is going to have to try that out soon. 18:20 < Tuxedo_> So the in LocalSettings_en.php (http://en.domain.com) the url parameter in its image repository needs offer either http://fr.domain.com or http://de.domain.com access. 18:20 < MaxSem> *my profiling indicates that it's fast 18:20 < Tuxedo_> And the tablePrefix either wiki_de_ or wiki_fr_ 18:21 < Tuxedo_> While in LocalSettings_fr.php the 'de' and 'en' parameters are present and in LocalSettings_de.php the 'fr' and 'en' are included, so all wikis can all share images and files one way or the other. 18:21 -!- JNSamuel [n=JSamuel@unaffiliated/eckstasy] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:22 < Tuxedo_> How would this be best done, in $wgForeignFileRepos[] arrays of each domains LocalSettings? 18:22 < wikibugs> (mod) Document Linker.php - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21280 (alex.emsenhuber) 18:23 < GreenReaper> Not sure precisely what you mean by "best done". You would need to make sure that each wiki had the other wiki's entries in there. Or, perhaps better, you would chose only one of them to be the central store for lookups, and encourage people to upload there instead. 18:23 < GreenReaper> After all you might add a fourth wiki. 18:25 < CIA-81> siebrand * r58122 /trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesDe_formal.php: Localisation update. 18:26 < wikibugs> (mod) Delete/RevisionDelete links breaking / urgent schema issue - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21279 (FT2.wiki) 18:30 -!- zrh is now known as zrh|AFK 18:30 < Tuxedo_> GreenReaper: Yes, I plan to add more versions, but I prefer to allow people to upload wherever they want, so ideally all wikis should somehow grant access to its own files to all versions in the wiki family. 18:31 -!- Luminette [i=Ivy@c-24-9-17-78.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #mediawiki 18:31 < Luminette> hola 18:31 < Platonides> Tuxedo_, why not have all wikis share the files? 18:31 < GreenReaper> Note that you can change the "upload file" link to go to another wiki. But yeah. In that case, you might make a list of all the wikis and have it loop through those but not add itself. 18:31 < Platonides> hola Luminette 18:32 < Luminette> :) 18:32 < Platonides> Tuxedo_, you can add to $wgShared image and oldimage, and symlink the image folders 18:33 < Luminette> anybody good with templates? I've tried recreating one I saw on another wiki and I'm not sure what I have done wrong because it isn't working out 18:33 < Tuxedo_> Yes I remember, I tested changing the uplaod file link to point to one primary domain but it wadn't ideal, as 1) users would switch domain and 2) the upload file link on the special pages was still pointing to the wrong place. 18:33 < Luminette> infobox templates, that is 18:34 < Tuxedo_> Platonides: Actually, the image folder is already shared betwen all domains. 18:35 < Tuxedo_> The entire wiki family is from the same source and directory as defined in the Apache configuration. 18:35 < Tuxedo_> So it should be easier :-) 18:36 < Platonides> Tuxedo_, with $wgShared you can make all wikis use the image related tables from the same database 18:37 < Platonides> image pages would still be separate, though 18:38 < Tuxedo_> Sounds great, I'm looking for "$wgShared" on mediawiki.org but can't find it. 18:38 * Platonides wonders what is the right name 18:38 < Tuxedo_> Image pages is only a small issue, not important in my case. 18:39 < Platonides> $wgSharedTables 18:39 < Tuxedo_> Hah. I think I tried that once. I'll look into it again. Thanks. 18:39 < Platonides> you also need $wgSharedDB 18:39 < Tuxedo_> Ok. 18:40 -!- romain [n=romain@peerfuse.org] has quit ["Changing server"] 18:40 -!- romain [n=romain@peerfuse.org] has joined #mediawiki 18:43 < Tuxedo_> I can remember now. I tested it. It had some problems when switching language and other issues, maybe login preferences. So I used the ForeignRepos solution for a dual-langauge set-up. But for more than that maybe I must shared the files between the wikis in this way instead. 18:46 < CIA-81> maxsem * r58123 /trunk/phase3/includes/json/Services_JSON.php: Cache result of class_exists() in Services_JSON to avoid envoking AutoLoader in a loop when the class is not present 18:46 -!- ialex [n=IAlex@wikipedia/ialex] has joined #mediawiki 18:47 < Platonides> login preferences? That would be relevant for sharing the user table, not the image one 18:47 < Platonides> from 1.16 you can share the users and not the preferences (they are moved to the new user_properties table), though 18:48 < Tuxedo_> Unfortunately I'm not on 1.16 yet, only the stable 1.15.1. So I'm looking for a temp solution until the next upgrade. 18:48 < Platonides> well, 1.16 isn't released yet ;) 18:49 < Platonides> but we were talking about image table, not user 18:49 < Tuxedo_> Yes, someone else told me sharing files (images etc.) solutions as well as usre tables which sounds great is easily done in 1.16. 18:50 < Tuxedo_> I'm patiently awaiting the public release. 18:50 -!- Miraceti [n=Miraceti@a91-155-187-186.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #mediawiki 18:50 < Platonides> sharing the files doesn't need sharing the users 18:50 -!- exercicio [i=bd6697e4@gateway/web/freenode/x-iohwoqykqsdchyxs] has quit ["Page closed"] 18:51 < Rgoodermote> Platonides it's "released", just not released released. 18:51 < Tuxedo_> In the meantime I use separate user accounts for each wiki version but as mentioned before, shared images between two wikis by FileRepos. 18:51 < Tuxedo_> For now I only intend to share images or uploaded files. 18:51 < Platonides> Rgoodermote, don't confuse the people 18:52 < Tuxedo_> Maybe later, 1.16+, allow users a single-sign in for simplicity. 18:52 < Platonides> Tubarao_ $wgSharedTables = array('image', 'oldimage'); $wgSharedDB = 'mydatabase'; 18:52 < Rgoodermote> That's not confusing, it's clearly out there for people who want to use it to use it, but it's not ready for general release. So it's been released, just not released released. 18:52 < Platonides> it's released from the individual developers working copy 18:53 < Platonides> but it's alpha software 18:53 < Rgoodermote> Which is what I'm saying... 18:54 < b3htf> Rgoodermote: check out mechdb.com now, do you think I layed it out a little better? 18:54 < b3htf> since the last time you've seen it 18:54 < Rgoodermote> Much better, but you should work on the URL stil.. 18:54 < Rgoodermote> still.* 18:55 -!- exercicio [i=bd6697e4@gateway/web/freenode/x-ymyspqozwuptfxoo] has joined #mediawiki 18:55 < b3htf> of course, that's my next thing on the list 18:55 < b3htf> thanks for your help so far :) 18:55 < exercicio> http://www.nabble.com/Running-the-deleteOldRevisions.php-script-td6779975.html deleted 2900 revisions, or not... still see all old revisions here 18:55 < Rgoodermote> No problem, if you need help with the short url 18:55 < Rgoodermote> !shorturl | b3htf 18:55 < mwbot> b3htf: To create simple URLs (such as the /wiki/PAGENAME style URLs on Wikimedia sites), follow the instructions at . There are instructions for most different webserver setups. If you have problems getting the rewrite rules to work, see !rewriteproblem 18:56 < Rgoodermote> That'll give you a hand. 18:56 < b3htf> cool 18:56 < Miraceti> Q: I would like to install MW but I don't want to allow anonymous editors and creating new accounts. I understand I can achieve this by setting $wgGroupPermissions['*']... to according to http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:User_rights . However, I do not understand how would the sysop be able to add new users. Is this ensured by $wgGroupPermissions['sysop']['createaccount'] = true; ? How it forks for sysops? How he will 18:56 < Miraceti> be able to add new accounts? 18:57 < Platonides> yes 18:57 < Platonides> sysops will be able to createaccounts due to that line 18:57 < Miraceti> s/forks/works :-) 18:58 < Miraceti> Platonides: What the sysop will see in his UI? 18:58 -!- Platonides [n=Platonid@wikipedia/Platonides] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 18:58 -!- buzz_ [n=jools@lan.oxfordinspire.co.uk] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 18:59 < exercicio> uh... 18:59 < exercicio> it did delete oldrevisions, but the entry is still there, listed on page history 18:59 < wikibugs> (NEW) Enabling different date formats at the input type=date field - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21283 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: SemanticForms; (gregra) 18:59 < Rgoodermote> Miraceti: What do you mean what will they see? 19:00 < b3htf> stupid quick question, what's the menu special page again? 19:00 < b3htf> to edit the navigation 19:00 < Rgoodermote> mediawiki:sidebar 19:00 < b3htf> thank you :) 19:01 < Luminette> ^^ 19:01 < Rgoodermote> Miraceti: You will see a signup sheet if you create an account, the same as if a person were signing up. 19:01 < Miraceti> Rgoodermote: I suppose the sysop will be able to access some kind of form which he will use to create the new users (simply entering the username and initial password). Am I right? 19:01 < Rgoodermote> However instead of clicking Create Account you will click by e-mail. 19:02 < Rgoodermote> Go here /index.php?title=Special:UserLogin&type=signup in your wiki 19:02 < Miraceti> Rgoodermote: What the sysop has to do in order to create a new user? 19:02 -!- siebrand [n=beis@216.239.45.19] has quit [] 19:02 < b3htf> hmm I'm starting to wonder if I should remove the bars beneath the === === things, because I ran into a dilema where I have a background on my site, and so I made tables and thumb frames trnaparent 19:02 < Rgoodermote> They just type in the username, then the email, then click "by e-mail" 19:02 < b3htf> but now those bars go through them and it's pretty ugly 19:02 < Miraceti> Rgoodermote: I dont have it yet. I am just thinking what is the best solution for me. 19:02 < b3htf> what do you think? 19:02 < b3htf> http://mechdb.com/index.php/Wheel_weights 19:03 < b3htf> or does anyone have any other ideas? 19:03 -!- exercicio [i=bd6697e4@gateway/web/freenode/x-ymyspqozwuptfxoo] has quit ["Page closed"] 19:04 < Rgoodermote> Merceti: Yeah, I saw the conversation earlier, just telling you how it works. 19:04 < b3htf> if only they could somehow not run into tables 19:04 < Rgoodermote> B3htf: change the height. 19:04 < b3htf> the height of what? 19:05 < Rgoodermote> The table you created. 19:05 < b3htf> but even the top bar will run into it 19:05 -!- Dantman [n=dantman@wikia/dantman] has joined #mediawiki 19:05 < b3htf> and that won't be a solution for all pages 19:05 < Miraceti> Rgoodermote: OK, what that "by e-mail" actually do? Sends an email to sysops which can approve it by clicking on some link? 19:05 < Rgoodermote> I didn't notice the top bar, it only conflicts with the top bar for me. 19:05 < b3htf> ah 19:05 < OverlordQ> give the infobox a solid bg? *not a clue* 19:05 < b3htf> yeah because it blends with the bg 19:05 < b3htf> hmm 19:05 < Rgoodermote> bottom bar for me* 19:06 < b3htf> I guess I could just eliminate those bars, who looks at them anyways 19:06 < b3htf> they usually do more harm than good for me 19:06 < b3htf> running into shit all over the place 19:06 < Rgoodermote> Meraceti: It will send a password to whome ever you are making the account for. 19:06 < Rgoodermote> whom* 19:06 < Miraceti> Rgoodermote: Great. 19:06 < Miraceti> Rgoodermote: Just what I need. 19:06 < Rgoodermote> The Sysop is the one making the account so it doesn't need further intervention. 19:06 < Miraceti> Rgoodermote: Yep, I see. It is really simple. 19:06 -!- Platonides [n=Platonid@wikipedia/Platonides] has joined #mediawiki 19:07 < Luminette> Does anybody know or can anybody tell how these guys did this: http://sc2pod.com/wiki/Main_Page they used their own usual header and background that the wiki takes place inside of.. we want to use our own header so that our wiki pages look just like the rest of our site as well - really having a hard time finding out how to do it 19:07 -!- Prodego [n=Prodego@wikipedia/Prodego] has joined #mediawiki 19:07 < Rgoodermote> Luminettel: Custom Skin 19:08 < Rgoodermote> Luminette* 19:08 < Luminette> so it's part of the layout css? 19:08 < OverlordQ> what he said 19:08 < Rgoodermote> Ask the person who owns the skin if you can use it 19:09 < Luminette> hm alright 19:10 < Rgoodermote> Really nice skin mind you. 19:10 < Miraceti> Rgoodermote: Thanks 19:10 < Rgoodermote> Yeap, no prob, need anything else or is that it? 19:10 < b3htf> it looks like monobook modified 19:10 < b3htf> with a custom header 19:10 < Miraceti> Rgoodermote: Not really right now... 19:10 < Rgoodermote> Luminette if you want something similar you can use the Gumv skins like b3htf. 19:11 < b3htf> what are gumv? lol 19:11 < Luminette> yeah, i'm totally unfamiliar with existing skins for a wiki 19:11 < b3htf> yeah check out mechdb.com I took the gumax skin and modified a bit of it 19:11 < Luminette> is it really complicated to do from scratch or? 19:12 < Rgoodermote> b3htf: I typoded. 19:12 < wikibugs> (NEW) Inconsistency in revision history - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21284 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: Database; (heldergeovane) 19:12 < Rgoodermote> Luminette, if you don't know what you are doing (lot of PHP and CSS) it is. 19:12 < Luminette> blah, not sure my partner would know how 19:12 < b3htf> that's one good way to learn, just go find a skin that closest resembles what you want, and modify it 19:13 < Rgoodermote> Luminette: http://paulgu.com/wiki/Mediawiki_Skins 19:13 < Rgoodermote> Probably three of the best skins for the software....in my opinion. 19:13 < b3htf> yes, the drop down menus are great 19:14 < Luminette> taking a look 19:14 < AryehGregor> Skins for MW are an unmaintainable mess that will break on every upgrade, FWIW. 19:14 < AryehGregor> Use at your own risk. 19:14 < Luminette> agh :( 19:14 < b3htf> huh? 19:14 < Rgoodermote> AryehGregor these skins work perfectly. 19:14 < Luminette> i don't see us needing to upgrade versions though 19:14 < b3htf> why would they break on every upgrade? 19:14 < Rgoodermote> A number of reasons, but they don't break so bad that it it's not maintainable. 19:15 < b3htf> thats good 19:15 < Rgoodermote> A php patch here and there and you're good. 19:15 < AryehGregor> b3htf, because our idea of a skinning system is to have skins be PHP files that don't use any stable interface. 19:15 < b3htf> hehe 19:15 < AryehGregor> So when we change around what the functions mean, all custom skins break. 19:15 < AryehGregor> Which we invariably do. 19:15 < b3htf> I wish it was simpler like the joomla skinning system 19:15 < b3htf> joomla skins are so damn easy to make 19:15 < AryehGregor> Of course, they apparently break subtly enough that a lot of people don't care too much. 19:15 < Rgoodermote> AryehGregor: But again, it's not like it's not easy to fix. 19:15 < Rgoodermote> ...well for some of us that is. 19:16 < AryehGregor> We don't have a good skin system because Wikipedia doesn't need it, basically. :D 19:16 < b3htf> haha 19:16 < Luminette> is it very hard to edit the gumax skin to whatever your personal stuff is? like our header banner and nav bar at www.starcraftmethod.com 19:17 -!- AVRS [n=AVRS@wikimedia/AVRS] has joined #mediawiki 19:17 < b3htf> for me it's quite a learning experience, that thing is pretty in depth 19:17 < b3htf> your best tool is the web developer plugin for firefox 19:17 < b3htf> love that thing 19:17 < Rgoodermote> Don't know myself, never needed to change the Gumax skins, they have always been perfect out of the box. 19:17 < b3htf> lets you see outlined div elements etc and see all their values 19:17 < b3htf> and attributes etc 19:18 < b3htf> what kind of a wiki are you developing? 19:18 < b3htf> or what will the theme be like? 19:18 < Rgoodermote> Starcraft related I gather. 19:18 < Luminette> it's a starcraft 2 wiki 19:18 < b3htf> ah 19:18 < Rgoodermote> I called it! 19:18 < Luminette> ^^ 19:18 < AryehGregor> Web Inspector for Safari/Chrome works about as well as Firebug for Firefox, in my experience. 19:18 < Luminette> we have a lot of the content fleshed out but are keeping it hidden now because there are so many barren areas still 19:18 < b3htf> lol it's depressing when gaming or computer wikis are so easy to start and get 1000s of submissions etc 19:19 < b3htf> while a mechanical wiki so people can save money on their cars never has much interest 19:19 < b3htf> :P 19:19 < Luminette> yeah, it's just the overlap in demographics - gamers and computer users are more familiar with the idea of a wiki 19:19 < b3htf> true 19:19 < Rgoodermote> B3htf, I need to point out though that the majority of mechanics aren't young. 19:20 < b3htf> I don't know about that 19:20 < b3htf> you see young kids always working on their own cars 19:20 < b3htf> the site isn't just for professional mechanics 19:20 < b3htf> it's for anyone with any interests about cars 19:20 < Rgoodermote> b3htf, just becuase they work on the car doesn't mean the car works. XD Same can be said about some one who makes a website too. 19:20 < AryehGregor> I know a car mechanic, and he barely uses computers. 19:20 < AryehGregor> Gamers are much more computer-savvy. 19:20 < AryehGregor> (a young car mechanic, like 22) 19:21 < b3htf> I'm 23 lol 19:21 -!- Miraceti [n=Miraceti@a91-155-187-186.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 19:21 -!- JeroenDeDauw [n=Admin@193.190.172.173] has joined #mediawiki 19:21 < b3htf> I kinda grew out of that phase, used to be into gaming pretty big lol 19:21 < b3htf> I think linux helped with that 19:21 < Rgoodermote> AryehGregor: Not all gamers are computer savvy, you ever deal with the kids when playing Halo 3? I don't think they could work themselves out of a paper bag, let alone a Wiki. 19:21 < b3htf> got sick of trying to emulate games, or running windows 19:21 < Luminette> man, I am sooo glad to finally have a lead on getting our wiki to look this way :) 19:22 < Luminette> yeah but that's console gaming 19:22 < AryehGregor> Rgoodermote, Halo 3 is mostly a console game, isn't it? Console gamers don't count. 19:22 < Rgoodermote> It also has a huge PC fanbase. 19:22 < Luminette> most online multiplayer gaming is still PC-based 19:22 < b3htf> I don't even consider most computer gamers computer savy 19:22 < b3htf> you tell them anything about networking or running servers or kernels 19:22 < Rgoodermote> They have to be in order to get the damn games to work. 19:22 < Luminette> yeah, but the internet is usually a bigger part of their lives 19:22 < Luminette> it's even often the backbone of their social lives 19:22 < b3htf> and it's as if you're trying to explain physics to an eskimo 19:23 < b3htf> they know how to press a few buttons in windows 19:23 < b3htf> and install a game 19:23 < Rgoodermote> You ever work in Windows? That's an adventure. 19:23 < b3htf> and how to spend their parents $$$ on expensive video cards 19:23 < Luminette> lol 19:23 < Luminette> true that 19:23 < Rgoodermote> You need to know if that video card will get enough juice from the power supply. 19:23 < Rgoodermote> You need to have some basic computer skill to know how much your supply has. 19:24 < b3htf> that stuff isn't so complicated 19:24 < b3htf> it's the same as knowing which gas to fill your car up with 19:24 < Rgoodermote> And lets not forget you need to know if that card has enough juice for the buck you pay. 19:24 < b3htf> or which buttons to press to play dvds on your tv 19:24 < Rgoodermote> Now that can be complicated on some of todays dvd players. 19:24 < wikibugs> (mod) Inconsistency in revision history - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21284 (Platonides) 19:24 < b3htf> the thing I dislike is how most gamers just throw money at things, instead of knowledge 19:25 < Rgoodermote> I saw one at Walmart with a couple billion buttons. 19:25 < b3htf> while they'd be busy looking up the latest video cards i was always tweaking hte hell out of windows 2003 19:25 < b3htf> instead of using xp 19:25 < AVRS> Hi. Has anyone seen a bug on this (I can't find one): http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a53/shakko/new-1-1.jpg 19:25 < b3htf> and stripping it down to the bone 19:25 < AVRS> The screenshot is of a search for a Cyrillic "\u0430" at Commons. 19:25 < Luminette> how hard is it to revert the gumax skin to allowing our typical left-side navigation with the sidebar? the example screenshots show that completely gone 19:25 < b3htf> then there was nothing left to tweak on windows, so I started playing with linux :) 19:25 < b3htf> and haven't gamed since hahah 19:25 -!- Marco27 [n=Marco27@wikipedia/Marco27] has quit ["Bye!"] 19:26 < AVRS> There is a tag embracing only the first byte of the letter. 19:26 < b3htf> wouldn't be worth the trouble imo 19:26 < Rgoodermote> AVRS: That is the browser, not Mediawiki I believe. 19:26 < b3htf> taht's the core of the gumax skin design 19:26 < b3htf> if you want to change that major aspect I would just try modifying monobook 19:26 < Luminette> blah 19:26 < AVRS> Rgoodermote: a span tag. That's Cyrillic. What could the browser do for that to happen? 19:27 < Luminette> we just want to add a horizontal nav bar and header banner \= 19:27 < b3htf> that's why I said, when you're picking skins, try to get one which has the framework that most closely resembles wha tyou want 19:27 < AVRS> anihin-\ufffd\ufffd.jpg 19:27 < Luminette> ahh 19:27 < b3htf> so that way modifying things will be limited to lighter cosmetical things 19:27 < Luminette> where else should I go to find skins? 19:27 < Rgoodermote> Oh, I missed that part, sorry AVRS. 19:27 < b3htf> instead of rewriting whol components 19:27 < AVRS> np 19:27 < b3htf> http://mediawiki2u.com/ 19:27 < Rgoodermote> Hm, AryehGregor, do you know what is happening to AVRS? 19:28 < Luminette> orrrr, would anybody be interested in doing commission work to style this up for us? 19:28 < b3htf> I should have given you a let me google that for you link :P 19:28 < AryehGregor> Rgoodermote, what's AVRS? 19:28 < AryehGregor> Oh. 19:28 < AryehGregor> A person. 19:28 < AVRS> AryehGregor: me 19:28 < b3htf> lol I wouldn't mind 19:28 < b3htf> Luminette: if youw ant I can giv eit a shot 19:28 < AryehGregor> Oh, hmm. 19:29 < Luminette> hmm 19:29 < Luminette> can you pull it off for $50? I can give you a mock-up of how we'd like it to look 19:29 < b3htf> sure 19:29 -!- zrh|AFK is now known as zrh 19:30 < wikibugs> (NEW) Revised image displays incorrectly - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21285 normal; Normal; MediaWiki: Images and files; (Eric) 19:30 < Rgoodermote> Any idea Aryeh? I'm completely buggered. 19:30 < AVRS> (1 or 2 bytes, I don't remember if "\u0430" is 2 or 3 19:30 < AVRS> ) 19:31 < AryehGregor> rainman-sr, looks like the is cutting through the middle of multibyte characters. Are you maybe not using mb functions somewhere? http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Search&search=\u0410&fulltext=Search 19:31 -!- ialex|ghost [n=IAlex@wikipedia/ialex] has joined #mediawiki 19:31 < AryehGregor> All Cyrillic is three bytes, IIRC. Two bytes is only up to U+3FF or something, almost nothing beyond Latin. 19:32 < AryehGregor> Yeah, it goes through Greek, I think. 19:32 < flyingparchment> it's been said that wikis for primarily non-latin languages should use utf-16 instead of utf-8 19:33 < flyingparchment> (but the amount of code change probably isn't worth it) 19:34 -!- chomwitt [n=chomwitt@ppp-94-66-142-86.home.otenet.gr] has left #mediawiki [] 19:35 < AryehGregor> flyingparchment, extremely unlikely to be worth it, since 1) there's likely more ASCII markup than actual text, and 2) it's gzipped for transit anyway, then probably stored in memory in an encoding decided by the browser. 19:35 < AryehGregor> Mozilla did some tests and found UTF-8 was way less space used for them than UTF-16 when processing Chinese websites. 19:35 -!- Hosiryuhosi_ [n=Hosiryuh@wikipedia/Hosiryuhosi] has quit ["Leaving..."] 19:35 < AryehGregor> They were even using UTF-16 with automatic fallback to ASCII if the entire string was ASCII. 19:36 < flyingparchment> the main use-case was URLs 19:36 < flyingparchment> but i guess it's techincally not allowed to use utf-16 there anyway 19:36 -!- ialex [n=IAlex@wikipedia/ialex] has quit [Connection timed out] 19:36 < AryehGregor> Well, these days it's probably safe to use IRIs and just encode them directly as UTF-8 for most purposes. 19:36 -!- ialex|ghost is now known as ialex 19:38 < AryehGregor> data: URLs are awesome for testing. 19:38 -!- LauraHale is now known as L|Away 19:41 -!- Raymond_afk is now known as Raymond_ 19:42 -!- flubub1110 [n=Flubub@dslb-088-067-126-053.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit ["Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de"] 19:43 -!- zrh [n=zrh@dynamic-80-242-196-236.catv.glattnet.ch] has quit [] 19:45 < AryehGregor> "Leaving this page may cause you to lose any changes you have made. 19:45 < AryehGregor> If you are logged in, you can disable this warning in the "Editing" section of your preferences." 19:45 < AryehGregor> Let's just display an obnoxious warning for everyone, even browsers that are known to preserve form contents in history, eh? 19:45 < Rgoodermote> It is an "option" 19:46 < AryehGregor> Options are evil. Anyway, it's on by default, apparently. 19:47 < AryehGregor> This looks very sketchy to me: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Common.css&curid=2213345&diff=321937098&oldid=314810801 19:47 < flyingparchment> AryehGregor: where is that displayed? 19:48 < AryehGregor> flyingparchment, I just tried navigating away from an edit window where I had entered some stuff. 19:48 < AryehGregor> It might only be in the Vector skin, although why it should vary based on skin I have no idea. 19:48 < Rgoodermote> Since when was that on by default? 19:48 < flyingparchment> hm.. vector skin or 'UI opt-in'? 19:48 -!- stdio [n=sroracle@c-98-215-178-14.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #mediawiki 19:49 < AryehGregor> I just changed to the Vector skin. 19:49 < AryehGregor> Rgoodermote, well, on by default for Vector skin users. 19:49 < Rgoodermote> Just another reason why I'm not so fond of Vector. 19:50 < wikibugs> (NEW) Lockdown: undefined variable $root for i18n - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21286 normal; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: General/Unknown; (Platonides) 19:52 < rainman-sr> AryehGregor, hmm, seems to happen only in titles... anyway, the backend provides the points where the highlight starts/stops... used to work as far as i remember 19:56 < AryehGregor> rainman-sr, do you know what methods are involved here, specifically? I'd imagine it's just a matter of using str*() instead of mb_str*() somewhere by mistake. 19:57 -!- dungodung|away is now known as dungodung 19:58 < rainman-sr> same method is used for both titles and text, so if would be that, it would probably brake both, so it must a bit more subtle 19:58 -!- enomil [n=enomil@wikimedia/Enomil] has joined #mediawiki 19:58 -!- mdale [n=dale@pdpc/supporter/student/mdale] has joined #mediawiki 19:58 < rainman-sr> it's in mwsearch_body.php, extractsnippetline or something like that 19:59 < CIA-81> raymond * r58124 /trunk/extensions/Lockdown/Lockdown.php: 19:59 < CIA-81> * bug 21286: Fix undefined variable $root for i18n 19:59 < CIA-81> Patch by Platonides 19:59 < Platonides> that bug was introduced by you, Raymond_ :P 20:00 < wikibugs> (FIXED) Lockdown: undefined variable $root for i18n - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21286 +comment (raimond.spekking) 20:01 < Raymond_> Platonides: I know... I remembered my badness as I saw you bug :/ 20:01 -!- JC|AFK is now known as JC 20:02 < Platonides> a stupid mistake 20:03 -!- Soxred93 [n=Soxred93@wikipedia/Soxred93] has joined #mediawiki 20:04 -!- [[sroracle]] [n=sroracle@unaffiliated/sroracle] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:05 -!- Raymond_ [n=Raymond@wikipedia/Raymond] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.4/20091016092926]"] 20:05 -!- DeSian [n=sia@unaffiliated/desian] has joined #mediawiki 20:05 < DeSian> hi, is possible to create page and hide it by Special:Allpages listing? 20:06 < AryehGregor> Delete it. 20:07 < DeSian> AryehGregor, hehehe 20:07 < AryehGregor> You can still view it if you're a sysop. 20:08 < DeSian> i need the page be public like help page or about us page but does't listed in allpages 20:09 -!- j^_ is now known as j^ 20:09 -!- Raymond_ [n=Raymond@wikipedia/Raymond] has joined #mediawiki 20:10 -!- stevelvd [n=stevelvd@c-71-237-107-16.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #mediawiki 20:11 < stevelvd> Is anyone available to help out with a question, I'm new to mediawiki and couldn't find the answer online... 20:12 < MaxSem> !ask 20:12 < mwbot> Don't say "I have a question", or ask "Is anyone around?" or "Can anyone help?". Just ask the question, and someone will help you if they can. See also: !gethelp 20:12 < AryehGregor> DeSian, not supported. 20:12 < DeSian> AryehGregor, what is not supported ? 20:13 < stevelvd> I had to move the wiki from one server to another, all of the links in the db are static and I need to change the IP Addresses to relative links, is there an easy way to do that? 20:13 < AryehGregor> DeSian, hiding a page from Special:AllPages while keeping it viewable normally. 20:13 < AryehGregor> AllPages lists all pages, thus the name. :) 20:13 < DeSian> i'm waiting for another expert her maybe :) thnx for you 20:15 < MaxSem> !cms | DeSian 20:15 < mwbot> DeSian: Wikis are designed for openness, to be readable and editable by all. If you want a forum, a blog, a web authoring toolkit or corporate content management system, perhaps don't use wiki software. There is a nice overview of free tools available at including the possibility to try each system. For ways to restrict access in MediaWiki, see !access. 20:15 < DeSian> MaxSem, that have nothing to do with CMS 20:16 < MaxSem> or you could resort to hiding it with JS 20:16 < AryehGregor> DeSian, I've been a developer of MediaWiki for well over three years. You can feel free to wait for other opinions, but they'll say the same thing. You might be able to find a hack or extension, but as I said, it's not supported in the software proper. 20:17 < DeSian> ok thnx guys if not possible the forget it 20:17 < AryehGregor> Anything's possible if you hack the code or find someone to do it for you. 20:17 < AryehGregor> If it's just one page, you could make a trivial edit to includes/specials/SpecialAllPages.php to do it. 20:18 < DeSian> yes i try it 20:18 -!- stephan481 [n=rjp@pdpc/supporter/student/stephan48] has joined #mediawiki 20:19 -!- TodWulff|Busy [n=TodWulff@unaffiliated/todwulff] has quit [" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Now with extra fish!"] 20:21 < stevelvd> !gethelp 20:21 < mwbot> Please read http://workaround.org/getting-help-on-irc for a good explanation of getting help on IRC. 20:22 -!- Soxred93 [n=Soxred93@wikipedia/Soxred93] has quit ["Some people are like slinkies. They're not good for anything except pushing them down stairs."] 20:24 -!- sreher [n=sreher@188.96.237.28] has quit [] 20:27 -!- ^demon [i=4c7b38d9@mediawiki/demon] has quit [Ping timeout: 180 seconds] 20:28 -!- stephan48 [n=rjp@pdpc/supporter/student/stephan48] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:32 -!- jMyles [n=justin@64.241.37.140] has joined #mediawiki 20:32 -!- jMyles [n=justin@64.241.37.140] has quit [Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)] 20:33 -!- zrh [n=zrh@dynamic-80-242-196-236.catv.glattnet.ch] has joined #mediawiki 20:36 -!- L|Away is now known as LauraHale 20:44 -!- TodWulff [n=TodWulff@unaffiliated/todwulff] has joined #mediawiki 20:45 -!- venmx [n=venmx@93-97-170-25.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Client Quit] 20:46 -!- robot682 [n=Student@71-82-159-214.dhcp.eucl.wi.charter.com] has joined #mediawiki 20:47 < robot682> This may be a stupid question. I have been looking and am kind of limited on time. I would just like to make a link on my navigation bar that opens an alphabetical list of all pages in a wiki. Is this possible? 20:47 < flyingparchment> !sidebar 20:47 < mwbot> To edit the navigation menu on the left, edit [[MediaWiki:Sidebar]] using its special syntax. For more details, see . 20:48 < flyingparchment> robot682: read that --^ and link to Special:Allpages 20:52 < robot682> Thank you that was definitely a step in the right direction. I was really hoping for an alphabetized list separated by letter. A,B,C, ect. 20:53 -!- stdio [n=sroracle@unaffiliated/sroracle] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:57 -!- jwyg [n=jwyg@78-105-152-72.zone3.bethere.co.uk] has joined #mediawiki 20:57 -!- kbmaniac_ [n=dave@host86-171-61-231.range86-171.btcentralplus.com] has joined #mediawiki 20:58 < CIA-81> dale * r58125 /trunk/phase3/js2/mwEmbed/ (5 files in 4 dirs): 20:58 < CIA-81> * addresses https://bugs.launchpad.net/firefogg/+bug/456384 20:58 < CIA-81> ** puts the two-pass setting near the bitrate control rather than quality control 20:58 < CIA-81> * also Make Ogg Interface system moves all its msgs text to the localization system 20:58 < kbmaniac_> I am struggleing with mediawiki, is there a way I can see all the images I have uploaded to the wiki ? 21:00 < Rgoodermote> Special:NewFiles 21:00 -!- werdan7 [n=w7@freenode/staff/wikimedia.werdan7] has joined #mediawiki 21:00 < kbmaniac_> yay, thank you 21:02 < wikibugs> (mod) Inconsistency in revision history - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21284 (heldergeovane) 21:03 -!- exercicio [i=bd6697e4@gateway/web/freenode/x-nfwewvojcqcsuqib] has joined #mediawiki 21:03 < exercicio> what's stored in the revision table, all old revisions? can I truncate it? 21:04 < AryehGregor> It's not safe to truncate the revision table, there are references to it. 21:04 < AryehGregor> For instance, in the text table. 21:04 < OverlordQ> a) revisions of all non-deleted pages b) you can, but it'd break stuff 21:04 -!- robot682 [n=Student@71-82-159-214.dhcp.eucl.wi.charter.com] has left #mediawiki [] 21:04 < AryehGregor> I don't know what would happen if you truncated the revision table. 21:04 < AryehGregor> There's a maintenance script to delete old revisions that possibly works. 21:05 < exercicio> I deleted all old revisions, but they still show up in the history list 21:07 < CIA-81> aude * r58126 /trunk/phase3/includes/specials/SpecialActiveusers.php: follow-up for r58035, escape message 21:08 < wikibugs> (mod) Inconsistency in revision history - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21284 (heldergeovane) 21:08 < Platonides> not only does revision table store old revisions, it also contains current revisions 21:10 < AryehGregor> How did you delete all old revisions? 21:11 < exercicio> maintenanceshell 21:11 -!- Skizzerz [n=skizzerz@mediawiki/Skizzerz] has joined #mediawiki 21:12 < Nikerabbit> maintenance's hell :o 21:13 < kbmaniac_> how can I edit the mediawiki LHS side panel ? 21:14 < CIA-81> skizzerz * r58127 /trunk/extensions/CategoryTests/CategoryTests.php: * catch invalid titles before we try to call methods that don't exist 21:14 < Platonides> !sidebar | kbmaniac_ 21:14 < mwbot> kbmaniac_: To edit the navigation menu on the left, edit [[MediaWiki:Sidebar]] using its special syntax. For more details, see . 21:14 < exercicio> deleteoldrevision script 21:14 -!- MaxSem [n=max@wikimedia/MaxSem] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:15 < Platonides> exercicio, did you use the --delete option? 21:15 < exercicio> yes 21:15 < kbmaniac_> thanks 21:17 < exercicio> first time no, got some SQL error, second time yes 21:17 < kbmaniac_> OK on a roll now, how to get a list of mediawiki pages, lost the 'url' ? 21:19 < Rgoodermote> Special:AllPages 21:20 < CIA-81> siebrand * r58129 /trunk/phase3/js2/mwEmbed/libAddMedia/ (mvAdvFirefogg.js mvFirefogg.js): Update messages 21:20 < CIA-81> raymond * r58128 /trunk/ (184 files in 80 dirs): Localisation updates for core and extension messages from translatewiki.net (2009-10-25 19:00 UTC) 21:20 < Rgoodermote> Oh, wait you mean Mediawiki: 21:20 < Rgoodermote> special:allmessages 21:23 < kbmaniac_> Special:AllPages, special:allmessage, both No such special page ?? on Mediawiki :) 21:24 -!- Illyism [n=Illyism@83.101.12.44] has quit [" CyberMania Operator Script"] 21:24 < CIA-81> siebrand * r58130 /trunk/phase3/js2/mwEmbed/php/languages/mwEmbed.i18n.php: php mergeJavascriptMsg.php -j 21:25 -!- illyism [n=Illyism@83.101.12.44] has joined #mediawiki 21:25 -!- illyism is now known as Illyism 21:25 < kbmaniac_> opps, take that back 21:25 -!- siebrand [n=beis@216.239.45.19] has joined #mediawiki 21:26 < Rgoodermote> kbmaniac, I've been using Mediawiki since it was 1.6. ;) 21:33 < exercicio> trying to reuse as much text as possible 21:34 -!- Pathoschild [n=Jesse@wikimedia/Pathoschild] has joined #mediawiki 21:35 -!- AVRS [n=AVRS@wikimedia/AVRS] has quit ["leaving"] 21:38 -!- ecstasia [n=ecs@unaffiliated/ecstasia] has quit [" ecstasia: you are absolteuely right on all points"] 21:44 -!- Bdka [n=bdk@wikipedia/bdka] has joined #mediawiki 21:44 < wikibugs> (mod) RevisionDelete does not work under Postgres - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20150 (overlordq) 21:48 < kbmaniac_> trying to make my 'donations' button red in the sidebar, tried ** Donations|Donations, no luck , any ideas ? 21:49 < Platonides> use ** Donations|Donations-desc 21:49 -!- Mike_lifeguard is now known as Mike||gone 21:49 < Platonides> and create MediaWiki:Donations-desc with the code you want 21:50 < CIA-81> siebrand * r58131 /trunk/phase3/js2/mwEmbed/ (libAddMedia/mvAdvFirefogg.js php/languages/mwEmbed.i18n.php): Update messages 21:50 -!- guillom [n=guillaum@wikimedia/guillom] has quit ["nighty night"] 21:51 < kbmaniac_> OK thanks, will try 21:53 -!- Daedalus969 [n=Daedalus@unaffiliated/daedalus969] has joined #mediawiki 21:57 < CIA-81> siebrand * r58132 /trunk/phase3/js2/mwEmbed/ (libAddMedia/mvAdvFirefogg.js php/languages/mwEmbed.i18n.php): Update messages 22:00 < OverlordQ> I think mysql runs a close second behind PHP of things that suck :( 22:01 -!- GChriss [n=gsc127@wikimedia/GChriss] has joined #mediawiki 22:01 < kbmaniac_> OK probably being dense, changed to Donations-desc, made Donations-desk Donations, and failed, sidebar shows 22:02 -!- exercicio [i=bd6697e4@gateway/web/freenode/x-nfwewvojcqcsuqib] has quit ["Page closed"] 22:02 -!- Emufarmers [i=Emufarme@mediawiki/Emufarmers] has joined #mediawiki 22:04 < OverlordQ> thought you had to use css for that 22:05 < kbmaniac_> as in style="" ... 22:06 -!- aude [n=chatzill@wikipedia/Aude] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.3/20090824101458]"] 22:06 -!- DeSian [n=sia@unaffiliated/desian] has quit ["Leaving"] 22:07 -!- TodWulff is now known as TodWulff|Away 22:07 -!- Jake_Wartenberg is now known as JW|AFK 22:08 < OverlordQ> #n-donations-desc { color: red } shove that in like Common.css or Skin.css 22:09 -!- Mike||gone is now known as Mike_lifeguard 22:09 < kbmaniac_> Ahh I am just a mediaWiki user, not an admin 22:10 < OverlordQ> then how are you editing the sidebar and messages? 22:10 < kbmaniac_> emm .. just works, did not think I had admin rights 22:11 < kbmaniac_> I would guess I need ssh access to the server to edit Common.css 22:11 -!- Rgoodermote [n=Rgooderm@wikia/Rgoodermote] has quit [] 22:11 < OverlordQ> no, that's a page [[MediaWiki:Common.css]] 22:12 < kbmaniac_> deep :), works for me 22:13 -!- sreher [n=sreher@g226090145.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #mediawiki 22:14 < CIA-81> emufarmers * r58133 /trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES config/Installer.php): Add $wgStylePath and $wgLogo to the default LocalSettings.php file to make things less confusing for newbies (see http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.org.wikimedia.mediawiki/32414). 22:15 < wikibugs> (NEW) wrong number of search results is printed at the top of the search page - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21287 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: Search; (amir.aharoni) 22:15 -!- siebrand_alt [n=beis@216.239.45.19] has joined #mediawiki 22:15 -!- siebrand [n=beis@216.239.45.19] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 22:22 -!- Illyism is now known as Illyism|snore 22:23 -!- jwyg [n=jwyg@78-105-152-72.zone3.bethere.co.uk] has quit ["Leaving"] 22:27 -!- siebrand [n=beis@216.239.45.19] has joined #mediawiki 22:27 < wikibugs> (mod) signature jumping up into text - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21248 (JimWae) 22:27 < wikibugs> (mod) wrong number of search results is printed at the top of the search page - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21287 +comment (rainman) 22:28 -!- siebrand_alt [n=beis@216.239.45.19] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 22:28 < CIA-81> raymond * r58134 /trunk/phase3/includes/specials/SpecialIpblocklist.php: Revert r58064: half done work committed by accident 22:29 -!- GDonato [n=GDonato@wikimedia/GDonato] has joined #mediawiki 22:30 < CIA-81> siebrand * r58135 /trunk/phase3/js2/mwEmbed/php/languages/mwEmbed.i18n.php: Update messages 22:30 -!- JC [n=JC@wikimedia/Juliancolton] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.13/2009073022]"] 22:34 -!- cdubouloz [n=dreamer@pob78-1-82-238-156-22.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #mediawiki 22:35 < wikibugs> (mod) wrong number of search results is printed at the top of the search page - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21287 (amir.aharoni) 22:37 < CIA-81> dale * r58136 /USERINFO/dale: added dale user file 22:40 < cdubouloz> hello 22:40 -!- stephan481 [n=rjp@pdpc/supporter/student/stephan48] has quit ["get satisfied! • :: ««« (Gamers.IRC) »»» ::"] 22:40 -!- [[sroracle]] [n=sroracle@c-98-215-178-14.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #mediawiki 22:41 < wikibugs> (mod) A "do not transclude semantic properties outside of these namespaces" configuration option would be nice - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21273 (markus) 22:41 < cdubouloz> is there a french room for mediawiki? 22:42 -!- Illyism|snore [n=Illyism@83.101.12.44] has quit [" CyberMania Operator Script"] 22:43 -!- Emufarmers [i=Emufarme@mediawiki/Emufarmers] has left #mediawiki [] 22:43 < CIA-81> siebrand * r58137 /trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesEn.php: Lower case 'talk' link label a few times 22:43 -!- aude [n=chatzill@wikipedia/Aude] has joined #mediawiki 22:43 -!- illyism [n=Illyism@83.101.12.44] has joined #mediawiki 22:43 -!- No1Viking [n=No1Vikin@h-20-170.A259.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit ["L"amnar"] 22:44 -!- OverlordQ [i=ZOMG@wikipedia/OverlordQ] has quit [] 22:47 < cdubouloz> no idea? 22:50 -!- kbmaniac_ [n=dave@host86-171-61-231.range86-171.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:50 -!- luminoso [n=lumos@av-217-129-139-239.netvisao.pt] has quit [Connection timed out] 22:56 -!- siebrand [n=beis@216.239.45.19] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 22:57 < Platonides> cdubouloz, no 22:58 < cdubouloz> ok 23:01 -!- SPQRobin1 [n=Robin@d54C5A38B.access.telenet.be] has quit ["Leaving."] 23:05 -!- ialex [n=IAlex@wikipedia/ialex] has quit [] 23:06 -!- stevelvd [n=stevelvd@c-71-237-107-16.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [] 23:07 -!- cdubouloz [n=dreamer@pob78-1-82-238-156-22.fbx.proxad.net] has left #mediawiki [] 23:09 -!- Wegge_Zzz is now known as Wegge 23:24 < wikibugs> (mod) RTL/bidirectional issues (tracking) - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=745 (gangleri) 23:26 -!- JW|AFK is now known as Jake_Wartenberg 23:26 -!- sreher_ [n=sreher@g226090113.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #mediawiki 23:27 -!- Vbitz [n=Vbitz@222.154.167.248] has joined #mediawiki 23:32 -!- JeroenDeDauw [n=Admin@193.190.172.173] has left #mediawiki [] 23:37 -!- venmx [n=venmx@93-97-170-25.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has joined #mediawiki 23:39 -!- Platonides [n=Platonid@wikipedia/Platonides] has quit [] 23:43 -!- sreher [n=sreher@g226090145.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 23:45 -!- siebrand [n=beis@216.239.45.19] has joined #mediawiki 23:48 -!- Kaare is now known as KaareAway 23:50 -!- GerardM- [n=chatzill@dhcp-077-250-053-164.chello.nl] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] --- Log closed Mon Oct 26 00:00:13 2009