--- Log opened Thu Nov 12 00:00:14 2009
00:03 < freakolowsky> know what guys ... i've had enough sql, plsql, java, php, bash scripts, python .... AND soldering irons for that mater for one day .... off 2 bed
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00:13 < k-man> is there some way to query some data directly from a database and put it on a mw page?
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00:31 < MCMic> hi
00:31 < MCMic> Is there an extension for replace discussion pages by comment pages? (or a forum topic, something with a form for discuss)
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00:42 < Tim-away> LiquidThreads
00:42 < Tim-away> it's fairly new and untested though
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00:47 < werdna> yes, it's still experimental.
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01:03 < src3> Hi Folks, does mediawiki has a testsuite ? If yes, can you tell me where can i find it?
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01:12 < CIA-66> tomasz * r58930 /trunk/extensions/ContributionTracking/ContributionTracking_body.php: rolling back part of r54909
01:15 < CIA-66> tomasz * r58931 /branches/wmf-deployment/extensions/ContributionTracking/ (. ContributionTracking_body.php): pulling in rr58930
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01:23 < GerardM-> werdna ... how about mailing for specific thrreads and not for the page ?
01:23 < werdna> GerardM-: that'd be nice, but not possible with the current software
01:24 < GerardM-> ok
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01:44 < CIA-66> brion * r58932 /trunk/extensions/OpenID/OpenID.hooks.php: 
01:44 < CIA-66> Fix total regression in ability to act as OpenID server in r52236.
01:44 < CIA-66> An "else" line got dropped, causing the logic for outputting the X-XRDS-Location
01:44 < CIA-66> header on user pages to never get run when we need it; without the discovery
01:44 < CIA-66> header, clients would never be able to connect to your provider.
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02:04 < cirwin> I get "access denied" trying to commit changes to math/texutil.ml - is that expected?
02:05 < Skizzerz> cirwin: what are you trying to commit to
02:06 < cirwin> URL: svn+ssh://conrad@svn.wikimedia.org/svnroot/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/math/texutil.ml
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02:06 < Skizzerz> hmm, dunno
02:06 < Skizzerz> maybe there's something in the props. I'm not overly familiar with svn
02:07 < OverlordQ> what's the patch? can try stubmiting it
02:07 < cirwin> http://dpaste.org/pKsE/
02:07 < cirwin> glad you asked :)
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02:08 < TimStarling> maybe you're not subscribed to wikitech-l
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02:08 < cirwin> hrm, I'm not
02:08 < TimStarling> there were quite a few messages about this
02:09 < cirwin> ah, ok
02:09 < Skizzerz> TimStarling: is there an archive somewhere?
02:09 < Skizzerz> I detest mailing lists
02:09 < TimStarling> http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/
02:09 < Skizzerz> thanks
02:10 < TimStarling> we implemented per-directory access control, in particular a core/extensions split
02:10 < cirwin> fair enough
02:11 < cirwin> how does one get necessary permission, or shall I just attach patches to bugs
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02:12 < TimStarling> if your interest in the core only goes as far as the occasional one-line fix, I would say attach patches
02:12 < TimStarling> I can commit that one now if you like, is that the only control sequence that's missing tex_use_ams()?
02:13 < cirwin> i have not tested, that was mentioned on the talk page of Enable Tex/problems
02:13 < AryehGregor> Why don't we just use AMS unconditionally?
02:13 < cirwin> https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19159
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02:14 < TimStarling> it would certainly be simpler
02:14 < wikibugs> (NEW) For Page-type properties, an ability to set the property value different than the link is sorely needed - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21483 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: Semantic MediaWiki; (morgon.kanter)
02:16 < wikibugs> (mod) A "do not transclude semantic properties outside of these namespaces" configuration option would be nice - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21273  (morgon.kanter)
02:19 < TimStarling> it's always been like this, with amsmath loaded on demand, since the first revision
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02:20 < TimStarling> of course we don't have a test suite for it, so testing would be fun
02:21 < AryehGregor> That's different from everything else, is it?
02:21 < TimStarling> almost everything else
02:22 < TimStarling> hmm, that didn't quite come out right
02:22 < TimStarling> anyway, your sarcasm is appreciated and you are invited to brainwash 100 developers in order to fix it
02:22 < AryehGregor> Do we have 100 developers?
02:23 < TimStarling> yes
02:23 < AryehGregor> I mean developers of MediaWiki, not people who happen to have commit access and used it within the last six months to bump the version on some extension they and five other people use.
02:24 < AryehGregor> TimStarling, also, a) could you enable $wgHtml5?  b) if not, what criteria have to be met?
02:24 < TimStarling> this is in phase3 alone in the last 12 months: http://p.defau.lt/?zY8lyGdeCxYNVoPnjTIEvQ
02:24 < AryehGregor> c) would it be helpful if I marked stuff as ok on Code Review, or would you just change it back to new to review it yourself?  d) if it would be helpful, what revision should I start at?
02:25 < TimStarling> that's 76
02:25 < Skizzerz> woohoo, 20 commits by me
02:25 < Skizzerz> it's like an exponential curve
02:25 < AryehGregor> Power law, typical for this sort of thing.
02:26 < src3> Hi Folks, does mediawiki have a testsuite ? If yes, can you tell me where can i find it?
02:26 < TimStarling> well, they're all individuals, there's a limit to how many commits a person can make, working full time
02:27 < TimStarling> aaron only managed so many because he makes so many mistakes and follows up without testing
02:27 < AryehGregor> src3, there are parser tests, nothing else.
02:27 < AryehGregor> !parsertests
02:27 < mwbot> I don't know anything about "parsertests".
02:27 < TimStarling> src3 funny
02:27 < AryehGregor> !parsertest
02:27 < mwbot> I don't know anything about "parsertest".
02:27 < TimStarling> I'm not sure what the point of $wgHtml5 is
02:28 < Skizzerz> src3: there are parser tests, and the entirety of the t/ directory contains a testsuite
02:28 < OverlordQ> yay I have 5!
02:28 < TimStarling> is it just for UTF-8 IDs?
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02:29 < AryehGregor> TimStarling, no, there are a couple of minor things it enables.
02:29 < AryehGregor> Not including UTF-8 IDs.
02:29 < AryehGregor> TimStarling, http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/HTML5#Short_term
02:29 < AryehGregor> The only noticeable benefit right now is Opera users will get some client-side form validation, and Opera/WebKit users will get autofocus on forms in more places.
02:29 < AryehGregor> And a few bytes saved.
02:30 < AryehGregor> The main reason I care, though, is because I think Wikimedia should support HTML5 sooner rather than later for ideological reasons, viz., because it aims to make the web more open and that accords with Wikimedia's values.
02:30 < TimStarling> right...
02:31 < AryehGregor> Anyway, it's pretty unlikely it will break anything noticeable, browsers mostly ignore doctypes except to determine standards vs. quirks mode.
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02:32 < TimStarling> does it break IE 8 standards mode?
02:33 < AryehGregor> No.
02:33 < AryehGregor> The only thing it will do is switch everything from "almost standards" to "standards" mode, which only affects image spacing in tables or something like that.
02:34 < AryehGregor> It's been on by default on trunk for a couple of months, only one actual problem surfaced that I can think of.
02:35 < AryehGregor> (which incidentally became a problem anyway when WebKit fixed their code, so HTML5 just meant we got the eventual fix into trunk sooner)
02:35 < TimStarling> and the escapeId stuff is gone?
02:35 < AryehGregor> That stuff was never related to HTML5.
02:35 < AryehGregor> I was originally doing it based on XHTML1.
02:35 < AryehGregor> It's a separate option, still off by default.
02:36 < AryehGregor> I do plan to resume work on it at some point in the indefinite future, but it's not relevant right now.
02:36 < AryehGregor> ($wgEnforceHtmlIds or such . . . rather inappropriate name now, oh well)
02:37 < TimStarling> ok, done
02:38 < AryehGregor> Thanks.
02:38 < AryehGregor> How about Code Review, would it be useful if I did that?
02:38 < TimStarling> yes, you may as well
02:39 < AryehGregor> Do you know what the first revision is that needs to be reviewed?  It's not clear to me.
02:41 < TimStarling> it looks like the last branch point was r57449
02:42 < TimStarling> but there were about 100 backports
02:42 < TimStarling> probably anything after r57449 marked as new needs reviewing
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02:50 < CIA-66> tstarling * r58933 /trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES math/texutil.ml): (bug 19159) Fixed missing tex_use_ams() for \overleftrightarrow. Patch suggested by cirwin. Tested only compilation.
02:50 < cirwin> thanks TimStarling
02:51 < wikibugs> (FIXED) \overleftrightarrow incorrectly parsed - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19159  +comment (conrad.irwin)
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03:01 < AryehGregor> Now, how long until we rewrite MediaWiki in Go?
03:05 < saper> in forth
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03:05 < AryehGregor> Forth is so untrendy.  We should ditch mod_php/FastCGI and use goroutines.
03:05 < AryehGregor> Surely much more efficient.
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03:18 < cirwin> TimStarling: there are no other broken commands
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03:28 < wikibugs> (mod) \overleftrightarrow incorrectly parsed - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19159  (conrad.irwin)
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04:04 < omgfox> Is it possible to copy/pasta all the required language templates from mediawiki.org/wiki/Category:Language_templates into my MediaWiki installation? Or should those templates already be there?
04:05 < Natalie> MW doesn't come with any templates.
04:05 < omgfox> Understood.
04:05 < Natalie> It may be possible to batch export pages in a category. I can't remember.
04:05 < Natalie> Try http://mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Export
04:05 < omgfox> Well, I did every template page from mediawiki.org, and I got this beautiful ouput: http://www.neoaxisgroup.com/wiki/Fox
04:06 < Natalie> Install ParserFunctions.
04:06 < Natalie> !parserfunctions
04:06 < mwbot> "Parser functions" are a way to extend the wiki syntax. ParserFunctions is an extension that provides the basic set of parser functions (you have to install it separately!).  For help using parser functions, please see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Magic_words#Parser_functions>. For details about the extension, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ParserFunctions>.
04:06 < Natalie> You'll want to download the version branched for 1.10, though.
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04:07 < omgfox> Thank you! I knew something just didn't seem in place, as if those templates were not getting parsed properly but I couldn't quite put my finger on it.
04:07 < omgfox> Thank you very much. :)
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04:12 < CIA-66> simetrical * r58934 /trunk/phase3/includes/OutputPage.php: 
04:12 < CIA-66> Upper-case DOCTYPE in HTML5 for well-formedness
04:12 < CIA-66> Apparently <!doctype html> is a syntax error in XML; <!DOCTYPE html> is
04:12 < CIA-66> required. Now I know. This broke Twinkle and probably lots of other stuff, so
04:12 < CIA-66> it would be good to sync this ASAP. Sorry for the error.
04:12 < omgfox> Darn those lowercase tags. :(
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04:23 < CIA-66> jeroendedauw * r58935 /trunk/extensions/Maps/ (9 files in 4 dirs): Changes for 0.4.2 (a2). http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Maps/Future#Maps_0.4.2
04:23 < CIA-66> jeroendedauw * r58936 /trunk/extensions/SemanticMaps/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Changes for 0.4.2 (a2). http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Maps/Future#Maps_0.4.2
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04:24 < CIA-66> jeroendedauw * r58937 /trunk/extensions/Maps/GoogleMaps/GoogleMapFunctions.js: Changes for 0.4.2 (a2). http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Maps/Future#Maps_0.4.2
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04:28 < microm> ouch... I get "Sorry, but your MediaWiki version is too old for BugzillaReports", yet I have mediawiki 1.15.1 ?!
04:30 < AryehGregor> What's giving you that message?
04:30 < AryehGregor> Oh, it's an extension?
04:31 < AryehGregor> Heaven only knows, probably it was written by a poorly-trained monkey who couldn't count.
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04:31 < Alphos> microm : did you install parserfunctions ?
04:32 < microm> Alphos: no
04:32 < microm> Alphos: should I?
04:32 < Alphos> since this extension is a parserfunctions extension, it *might* be a good idea
04:32 < microm> oh 
04:32 < VVelox> Just trying to install a new instance of 1.15.1. Any one have any issues with it not detecting the postgresql version properly? It is 8.4.0 is to old.
04:33 < TimStarling> if ( !method_exists('ParserOutput','addHeadItem') ) {
04:33 < TimStarling> 	die('Sorry, but your MediaWiki version is too old for BugzillaReports, please upgrade to the latest MediaWiki version.' );  
04:34 < TimStarling> it's in 1.16
04:35 < OverlordQ> VVelox: make sure you're specifying the right usernames and passwords
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04:44 < TimStarling> VVelox: there was an issue with postgresql on windows but it should have been fixed in 1.15.x
04:45 < TimStarling> is it claiming you have "7.3 or earlier"?
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04:52 < microm> php upgrade1_5.php --aconf ../AdminSettings.php -> wikidb 2009-11-12 03:45:01: Page table already exists; aborting.
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04:55 < OverlordQ> microm: what are you trying to upgrade from/to?
04:55 < AryehGregor> Why are you running upgrade1_5.php?  Just run update.php.
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04:55 < microm> OverlordQ: 1.11 to 1.15.1
04:56 < AryehGregor> Then why would you run upgrade1_5.php?
04:56 < AryehGregor> As the name suggests, it's for upgrading to 1.5.
04:57 < microm> I confuse update with upgrade... stupid me...
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05:03 < VVelox> OverlordQ: Thanks. That was it.
05:03 < VVelox> OverlordQ: Was having issues with PAM and that user.
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05:09 < wikibugs> (mod) Flood flag for Stragetic Planning - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20347  +comment (pbeaudette)
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05:19 < microm> in what table does mediawiki hardcode the version number?
05:21 < AryehGregor> microm, includes/DefaultSettings.php.
05:21 < AryehGregor> Or do you mean the database version?  It doesn't.
05:21 < AryehGregor> Almost all the operations it needs to perform to do database updates are idempotent, so it just checks if they're already done and does them if not.
05:21 < AryehGregor> Nice and robust.
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05:23 < microm> something is fishy in what I've done... backup the db, point apache to the new mediawiki, ran the update, reload Special:Version... and boom! no update!
05:24 < AryehGregor> Special:Version info comes from the files.  You're pointed at the wrong files if it's wrong.
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05:26 < microm> okay, found it... I misunderstood where apache was getting the file from.
05:26 < microm> s/file/files/
05:28 < TimStarling> JS only has function scope and global scope, right? it doesn't have variables scoped to if/for/while etc. blocks like C++?
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05:31 < AryehGregor> I don't think so, but I don't know much JS.
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05:36 < k4jcw> Evening.  On this page, http://www.tinymicros.com/wiki/Kenwood_TK-981, I would like the index to be above the picture.  Is there a way to do that?
05:38 < AryehGregor> Put __TOC__ before the image.
05:39 < k4jcw> Magic!
05:39 < k4jcw> Thanks!
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05:44 < microm> when I activate SyntaxHighlight_GeSHi.php in LocalSettings.php, I get a SVN repository browser instead of my wiki !
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05:52 < OverlordQ> sounds like you're 'Doing it Wrong'(tm)
05:52 < OverlordQ> how'd you download the extension?
05:58 < microm> OverlordQ: incorrectly, I used the manual method 2. I've got it working now with method 1.
05:59 < microm> by method 1 I mean the "already bundled" one.
06:00 < OverlordQ> 2 works, you probably accidently downloaded the view link instead of the download link
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06:13 < BradLee> Hi. I'm trying to get interwiki links happening on my website so that my MW can see the forum, but I can't get it to work.
06:13 < BradLee> My MW address is http://test.smileypedia.org
06:13 < BradLee> My forum is http://test.smileypedia.org/forum
06:13 < BradLee> The interwiki table contains: http://test.smileypedia.org/forum/$1
06:14 < BradLee> However whenever I try an interwiki link E.g. [[forum:forum pagename]], MW tells me the page doesn't exist.
06:14 < BradLee> What am I doing wrong?
06:16 < OverlordQ> putting your forum under the same docroot as your wiki so it's affected by your rewrite rules
06:20 < BradLee> wont that a) break my forum?  and  b) clash the folders?
06:20 < BradLee> for example, mw has an images folder and PHPBB also has an images folder
06:21 < TimStarling> I think he means that's what you shouldn't do
06:21 < BradLee> oh ok. well i havent done that
06:22 < TimStarling> you should have your wiki in /wiki or some such, instead of /
06:22 < TimStarling> I don't think that's the problem though
06:22 < OverlordQ> but the ? and = are getting urlencoded
06:22 < OverlordQ> so the link is: http://test.smileypedia.org/forum/viewforum.php%3Ff%3D2
06:22 < BradLee> yes. thats correct
06:23 < TimStarling> that's how interwiki links work
06:23 < TimStarling> they're interwiki, after all, not interforum
06:24 < BradLee> ok then
06:24 < OverlordQ> yes, but it's literally linking to that instead of http://test.smileypedia.org/forum/viewforum.php?f=2
06:24 < BradLee> i understand
06:24 < BradLee> is there a way to prevent it though
06:24 < TimStarling> use URLs
06:25 < TimStarling> they're very good, I hear, they're like a universal namespace for linking from one thing to another
06:25 < BradLee> lol
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06:26 < Alphos> lies !
06:26 < BradLee> my prob is that i want to redirect from MW to one of my subforums
06:26 < Alphos> BradLee : don't put the wiki in the document root :)
06:27 < Alphos> or put the forum in forum.smileypedia.org
06:27 < BradLee> yeah hindsight is great... :P but it is how it is now
06:28 < BradLee> i only had a MW to begin with. hence i just put it in the root
06:28 < BradLee> i know... my bad
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06:28 < Alphos> hi Emufarmers
06:28 < Emufarmers> Hello o;
06:28 < OverlordQ> if you're dead set for some reason to use interwiki links then make a [forum] and then a [topic] so you're just passing numbers instead of .?=
06:28 < BradLee> now with the forums added on as smileypedia.org/forum its killing me here :(
06:28 < Emufarmers> Does SpecialPage::SpecialPage()'s $restriction parameter actually do anything anymore?
06:29 < BradLee> im not dead set on using interwiki links
06:30 < BradLee> what i ideally need to do is put a #REDIRECT on a MW talk page to link to a SUBFORUM page instead
06:30 < BradLee> make sense?
06:31 < BradLee> so eg I'd have a DOGS page on my MW, and when you click on the DOGS Disscussion tab it goes to the DOGS section in the forum
06:32 < OverlordQ> Emufarmers: yes
06:33 < Alphos> iirc the only way to do that easily is with a soft redirect, BradLee
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06:33 < Emufarmers> OverlordQ: what does it actually do at this point?
06:33 < TimStarling> same thing it's always done
06:33 < TimStarling> it changes the display in Special:Specialpages
06:33 < Alphos> the link will show on the page, with a big arrow
06:33 < BradLee> I couldn't get the #redirect to redirect to outside the wiki though
06:33 < Emufarmers> Ah, I see
06:33 < Emufarmers> Thanks
06:34 < BradLee> even though they are part of the same website, they have no knowledge of each other
06:34 < TimStarling> you can use isRestricted() and displayRestrictionError() if you want it to actually deny access
06:35 < BradLee> hence my idea to put them into the interwiki table
06:35 < Alphos> BradLee : [06:33:09] <Alphos> iirc the only way to do that easily is with a soft redirect, BradLee
06:35 < TimStarling> we used to have interwiki redirects on wikimedia, but they were really annoying
06:36 < TimStarling> that's why they're disabled there
06:36 < Alphos> an interwiki is no different to an external link
06:36 < Alphos> (written in a shorter way)
06:36 < BradLee> ok
06:37 < BradLee> So what would be the best way to achieve my objective then?
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06:37 < Alphos> write your own extension ?
06:38 < BradLee> damn. i dont have the knowledge. :(
06:38 < Alphos> something that outputs header('Location: <link to the forum subsection fetched in the iw in the #redirect[[]] if the redirect points to an iw>');
06:39 < Alphos> or well, not "output it" per se
06:39 < BradLee> right :P
06:39 < Alphos> but do it
06:39 < f00li5h> can you #REDIRECT to a {{:Template}}?
06:39 < Alphos> f00li5h : #REDIRECT[[Template:<your template>]]
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06:40 < Alphos> (actually, your {{:Template}} means "including the article 'Template' in the main namespace"...)
06:41 < BradLee> before we try that, why wont a simple redirect to another page on the same website work, if it is not part of the wiki?
06:42 < Alphos> "website" is a fluctuating notion
06:43 < BradLee> well they are all part of the same webspace :P
06:43 < BradLee> eg wiki= smileypedia.org
06:43 < Alphos> webspace is still a fluctuating notion
06:43 < BradLee> forum= smileypedia.org/forum
06:43 < BradLee> what would you call it then smarty :P
06:44 < OverlordQ> (guessing) because it depends on knowing if the target exists or not, and there's no real way for mediawiki to know if things outside the scope of the wiki 'exist'
06:44 < Alphos> $php -r 'var_dump("smileypedia.org" == "smileypedia.org/forum");'
06:44 < Alphos> bool(false)
06:44 < Alphos> i rest my case
06:47 < BradLee> Alphos: I'm not sure what to do with that?
06:47 < BradLee> sorry :(
06:48 < Alphos> BradLee : smileypedia.org is not the same thing as smileypedia.org/forum
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06:48 < BradLee> I know
06:49 < BradLee> perhaps "they share a common namespace" is a better description than "webspace"?
06:49 < BradLee> although the two parts are clearly unrelated
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06:52 < f00li5h> Alphos: sure it does, but that article can still be a template
06:52 < f00li5h> {{:Template}} will still give {{{1}}} to the article when i'ts rendered 
06:53 < Alphos> BradLee : example.com and example.net have "example" in them, yet the two are basically unrelated
06:54 < BradLee> but they are not common, because they are in diff domains...
06:54 < BradLee> mine are in the same domain ;)
06:54 < Alphos> yeah, but in different directories, using different files, different programs...
06:55 < BradLee> i guess its like two buildings at the same address
06:55 < Alphos> more like a floor and an appartment on the floor
06:55 < Alphos> someone on the floor cannot know what's in the appartment
06:56 < Alphos> and he cannot either let you in
06:56 < BradLee> yeah ok
06:57 < checkers> hi all, is there another quarterly release coming out later this month?
06:57 < BradLee> so my next qn? isnt redirecting someone pushing them out?
06:57 < Alphos> didn't understand the question
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06:58 < BradLee> doesnt a redirect tell someone where to go?
06:59 < BradLee> whether it exists or not
06:59 < Alphos> it does
06:59 < Alphos> but mw redirects are not redirects per se
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06:59 < BradLee> ahhh. thats why im not understanding why it doesnt work
06:59 < Alphos> a redirect implies a change of url
07:00 < Alphos> whereas mw redirects don't change the url
07:00 < BradLee> i see
07:00 < Alphos> they merely include the destination page in the page you're looking at
07:00 < Alphos> a small "redirected from <that page>" at top
07:00 < BradLee> ok
07:01 < Alphos> alter the displayed title and the links (refresh, talk page, edit)
07:01 < BradLee> is there a way to force a "real redirect" then?
07:01 < Alphos> but they are NOT redirects in the common meaning
07:01 < Alphos> well, i gave you that information, didn't i ? :)
07:01 < BradLee> yup, i understand
07:01 < Alphos> [06:37:26] <Alphos> write your own extension ?
07:01 < Alphos> [06:38:39] <Alphos> something that outputs header('Location: <link to the forum subsection fetched in the iw in the #redirect[[]] if the redirect points to an iw>');
07:01 < Alphos> [06:39:00] <Alphos> or well, not "output it" per se
07:01 < Alphos> [06:39:04] <Alphos> but do it
07:02 < Alphos> but if you want my opinion, don't ;)
07:02 < Alphos> you can however add a tab right next to the top tabs
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07:02 < Alphos> (page, talk page, edit, all that)
07:02 < Alphos> with JavaScript
07:02 < Alphos> tab holding a link to your forum subsection :)
07:03 < Alphos> thus leaving the talk page to discuss about the wiki page itself
07:03 < BradLee> i understand
07:03 < Alphos> (what infos should be added, in what order, etc...)
07:03 < BradLee> but i dont want a discussion page about the article per se
07:04 < Alphos> well, it IS useful ;)
07:04 < BradLee> i want an open discussion page for comments about the topic itself
07:04 < BradLee> and that would be too messy in the discussion tab
07:04 < BradLee> hence my forum idea
07:05 < Alphos> well, you can also mask the talk page tab
07:05 < Alphos> either with js or css
07:05 < Alphos> (i'd rather go with CSS myself on this one)
07:05 < BradLee> i thought about that too, but then people need to navigate their way too the forums, then the subsection etc
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07:06 < BradLee> clicking on the discssion tab is just cleaner. even if it is redirecting you to the forums
07:08 < Alphos> or you can as well use this : getElementById('ca-talk').getElementsByTagName('a')[0].href="http://test.smileypedia.org/forum/<subsection>"; with JS
07:09 < BradLee> OverlordQ: what did you mean by this: <OverlordQ>	if you're dead set for some reason to use interwiki links then make a [forum] and then a [topic] so you're just passing numbers instead of .?=
07:10 < OverlordQ> instead of [forum:viewforum.php?f=2] make your interwiki http://www.blah.foo/forum/viewforum.php?f=$1
07:10 < OverlordQ> so you go [forum:2]
07:10 < Alphos> BradLee : 1 interwiki linktype to sections and 1 interwiki linktype to topics
07:10 < OverlordQ> or something
07:10 < Alphos> and even 1 interwiki linktype to posts
07:15 < BradLee> OverlordQ: and have a different interwiki link for each forum/subforum?
07:16 < Alphos> BradLee no
07:17 < Alphos> imagine you have the interwiki [[section:]] linking to /forum/viewforum?f=$1
07:17 < Alphos> the interwiki [[topic:]] linking to /forum/viewtopic.php?t=$1
07:17 < Alphos> etc
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07:18 < BradLee> ok. i think i understand
07:19 < BradLee> i'll go and try a few things now and come back if i get stuck ;)
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07:21 < BradLee> Thanks Alphos, OverlordQ and TimStarling (if you are still around)
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10:33 < Warui> can I somehow get the revision of the page, Im currently looking at?
10:33 < Warui> I'm interested in the userCan Hook
10:33 < Warui> so I can't use the javascript-vars
10:33 < wikibugs> (NEW) General : Advance tools tab is not shown in Safari - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21486 blocker; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: UsabilityInitiative; (wikibugs)
10:34 < Reedy> page->CurrentRevision() or something?
10:34 < Reedy> (dont quote me on that)
10:34 < Reedy> i have no source code to hand
10:35 < wikibugs> (NEW) General : Tab Navigation in Mac FireFox - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21487 major; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: UsabilityInitiative; (wikibugs)
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10:40 < Warui> Reedy: no
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10:54 < wikibugs> (NEW) Insert Table: Table format duplicate - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21488 major; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: UsabilityInitiative; (wikibugs)
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10:59 < krisse> Hi everyone, quick Q: how do I include several different wiki pages into one? As in, one page displaying server/wiki/foo AND server/wiki/bar (when going to page server/wiki/Foobar?
10:59 < CIA-66> dale * r58939 /trunk/phase3/js2/ (16 files in 12 dirs): * replaced global $mw with mw ($ in front of a var should mean jQuery object)
11:04 < Reedy> krisse, transcluding pages?
11:04 < Reedy> like templates
11:04 < Reedy> !templates
11:04 < mwbot> For more information about templates, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Templates>. See also: !templateproblems
11:04 < Reedy> !transclusion
11:04 < mwbot> Transclusion is a general MediaWiki term for including things into a page using double-brace "{{}}" markup. This can be things like templates, pages in other namespaces, variables, output of parser functions, some Special pages, interwiki pages, and such. See http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Transclusion for an overview.
11:05 < krisse> @Reedy: Sounds promising. Thanks. I'll google it. :)
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11:05 < krisse> @Reedy: Oooh, didn't even have time to search. ;) Thanks a lot!
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11:24 < wikibugs> (mod) Advanced toolbar doesn't show in Safari 3 - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21486  summary (roan.kattouw)
11:24 < krisse> Short answer (to myself): include pages like so {{PAGE}}, and if it's "a normal page", add a colon, like so: {{:PAGE}}.
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11:26 < wikibugs> (mod) General : Tab Navigation in Mac FireFox - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21487  +comment (roan.kattouw)
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11:28 < wikibugs> (DUP) Insert Table: Table format duplicate - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21488  +comment (roan.kattouw)
11:28 < wikibugs> (mod) Insert Links : Warning message appear twice - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21484  (roan.kattouw)
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11:49 < MAAN> Hi all
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12:02 < MAAN> there is any live in the chat?
12:03 < OverlordQ> likely
12:04 < MAAN> jeje
12:04 < MAAN> i see
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12:05 < OverlordQ> that was random
12:08 < wikibugs> (mod) General : Tab Navigation in Mac FireFox - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21487  (wikibugs)
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12:20 < CIA-66> alexsh * r58940 /USERINFO/jeroendedauw: eol-style
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12:25 < BenutzerConny> Hello, we need help here in Dresden transferring a protest wiki on another server. I installed two versions of  1.6.10 and thougt, exporting DB from the original to the new copy will work. But there are old linkparts in the new wiki (new domain but old subpaglinkes). How to change this?
12:25 < BenutzerConny> Original: http://www.htw-dresden.de/~fsr_lblp/wiki/pot81/index.php/Hauptseite
12:26 < BenutzerConny> Copy: http://fensterlade.de/pot81/index.php/Hauptseite
12:26 < BenutzerConny> -> Links on mainpage du not work...
12:26 < BenutzerConny> ...in the Copy.
12:27 < MaxSem> BenutzerConny, check $wgScriptPath and $wgArticlePath in LocalSettings.php
12:28 < MaxSem> whee, it's even easier
12:28 < OverlordQ> touch LocalSettings.php to clear the cache
12:29 < MaxSem> null edit to main page helped
12:30 < BenutzerConny> Great stuff, thanks :) .
12:30 < BenutzerConny> null edit works
12:31 < BenutzerConny> Hm, but not on all pages: http://fensterlade.de/pot81/index.php/POT81:Marktplatz#Wiki-Betreuung.3F - username not work. Now i test to touch localsettings.
12:32 < OverlordQ> you'll have to null edit every page if you go the null edit route
12:32 < BenutzerConny> LOL
12:32 < BenutzerConny> not possible
12:34 < werdna> well, just touching LocalSettings.php will clear those caches
12:34 < MaxSem> truncate the objectcache table
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12:42 < BenutzerConny> werdna: seems to work, thank u :) .
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12:42 < BenutzerConny> anybody knows a skriptshell to export mysql stuff via batch?
12:42 < BenutzerConny> (for the redundant wiki)
12:43 < werdna> mysqldump <database>
12:44 < BenutzerConny> ok, and autopush to an emailadress?
12:44 < BenutzerConny> think a cronjob is nice for this, but im new with this :) .
12:45 < werdna> autopush to an email address? :/
12:45 < werdna> that's weird
12:45 < BenutzerConny> ok thank u :) ill try
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12:50 < OverlordQ> mysqldump <db> | gzip | /path/to/sendmail beans@blah ? not a clue
12:51 < wikibugs> (mod) Spammed by thread traffic - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21457  (siebrand)
12:53 < wikibugs> (mod) Spammed by thread traffic - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21457  (siebrand)
12:53 < wikibugs> (FIXED) General : Most functions are not working as before - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21476  +comment (roan.kattouw)
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12:57 < raddy> Hello Everybody
12:57 < raddy> I am trying to upgrade mediawiki from 1.11 to 1.5.1
12:58 < raddy> when i run upgrade script i am getting the following error
12:58 < raddy> Page table already exists; aborting.
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12:59 < MaxSem> maybe, 1.15.1?
13:00 < raddy> MaxSem : Sorry i am trying to upgrade to 1.15 it self/
13:01 < raddy> BTW is 1.6 released or is it 1.16?
13:02 < MaxSem> 1.16
13:02 < MaxSem> 16 > 6
13:03  * MaxSem installs 1.11...
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13:04 < raddy> MaxSem : Ohhh ok, thanks for the clarification.
13:04 < raddy> Can anybody shed light on the error?
13:04 < MaxSem> lolwut, 1.11 installer crashes for me
13:06 < wikibugs> (FIXED) Advanced toolbar is not available in IE 7 - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20673  (roan.kattouw)
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13:20 < MaxSem> couldn't repro it with 1.11 --> 1.15 upgrade. raddy, did you upgrade it before, to 1.11?
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13:23 < MaxSem> and are you sure that you've overwritten all the files with new ones? I understand, this may sound stupid, but many people encounter problems with it
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13:23 < Duesentrieb> not just override
13:23 < Duesentrieb> remove the old ones
13:23 < Duesentrieb> the pathes changed
13:23 < Duesentrieb> so if you just copy the new stuff in, you still have pold code in the include path
13:23 < Duesentrieb> that will screw stuff up.
13:24 < MaxSem> Duesentrieb, upgrade after overwriting WFM
13:25 < Duesentrieb> wfm?
13:25 < raddy> MaxSem : Duesentrieb : I haven't copied existing wiki, it is new server, i am just preserving the database.
13:26 < MaxSem> Duesentrieb, 'works for me'
13:26 < Duesentrieb> MaxSem: oh :) somehow i was missing context to decode that.
13:27 < Duesentrieb> i do recall problems with the old parser etc sitting directly in includes/
13:27 < Duesentrieb> raddy: uh... *which* upgrade script are you running?
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13:28 < Duesentrieb> raddy: do *not* run upgrade1_5.php
13:29 < Duesentrieb> (can we remove that please?)
13:29 < Duesentrieb> or at least rename it to very_scarry_and_outdated_script_for_black_magic.php
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13:32 < Alphos> scarry ?
13:32 < Alphos> is it scabbed too ? :x
13:32 < Alphos> (sounds spooky :x )
13:33 < raddy> Duesentrieb : I am running maintainance/upgrade.php
13:33 < raddy> which file i should run then>?
13:33 < Duesentrieb> Alphos: bah, never mind my bad spellink :P
13:33 < raddy> Duesentrieb : Sorry, i ran upgrade1_5.php
13:33 < MaxSem> aaaaaaaaaaargh, evil people deprived me of my constitutional right to use <blink> how rude!
13:34 < raddy> Duesentrieb : Which file i should run?
13:34 < Duesentrieb> raddy: update.php
13:34 < wikibugs> (NEW) Insert Links : press enter create duplicate values - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21489 major; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: UsabilityInitiative; (wikibugs)
13:34 < Duesentrieb> upgrade1_5.php was for 1.5, not 1.15. it's ooooooollllddd. and was only useful for special cases.
13:35 < MaxSem> hehe http://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Newarticletext&diff=286676&oldid=253309
13:35 < raddy> Duesentrieb : thanks for clarification
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13:40 < MaxSem> How about nuking that scipt completely?
13:40 < MaxSem> *script
13:40 < Duesentrieb> yes please
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13:42 < MaxSem> brion-away, do you agree with ^^^? :)
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13:44 < andy_> Hello.  My homepage has an Events Calendar populated by Semantic Forms.  This Calendar gets cached showing yesterdays date for none logged in users.  {{purge}} seems to only create a link to purge.  How can I stop the homepage, or at least the Calendar part, from being cached?  TIA!
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13:54 < Duesentrieb> an http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/NoCache
13:55 < Duesentrieb> err, andy_ ---^
13:55 < Duesentrieb> someone should wrap it in a nice extension :)
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13:57 < aj1> .
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13:58 < andy_> Thanks Duesentrieb
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14:12 < freakolowsky> lo ladies ... soldering mashat in da houz
14:12 < falxx> what export-options does exist within a mediawiki-installation?
14:12 < CIA-66> maxsem * r58941 /trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES maintenance/upgrade1_5.php): Some measures to prevent people from update.php/upgrade1_5.php confusion: the latter now displays a warning and requires --update switch to do something. Probably, it's time to put it to death completely?
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14:30 < BenutzerConny> what to do, that formulas work? http://www.htw-dresden.de/~fsr_lblp/wiki/pot81/index.php/POT81:Marktplatz/Kopf
14:30 < BenutzerConny> thx
14:31 < MaxSem> !math
14:31 < mwbot> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Math
14:31 < cirwin> BenutzerConny: you need to install ParserFunctions
14:32 < MaxSem> heh, "formulas")
14:32 < BenutzerConny> ok, this is a extension, ok
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14:40 < CIA-66> siebrand * r58942 /trunk/extensions/Translate/groups/Wikia/extensions.txt: Config file as delivered by Tor through Tim Bartels. Marked CHECKME what I commented back out based on previous audit.
14:40 < wikibugs> (mod) Insert Links : Warning message appear twice - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21484  (nkomura)
14:41 < Warui> can I somehow get the revision of the page, Im currently looking at?
14:41 < Warui> I'm interested in the userCan Hook
14:41 < Warui> so I can't use the javascript-vars
14:44 < wikibugs> (mod) General : Tab Navigation in Mac FireFox - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21487  major->normal (nkomura)
14:48 < CIA-66> siebrand * r58943 /trunk/extensions/QPoll/qp_i18n.php: Use PLURAL in 'qp_user_polls_link'
14:49 < cirwin> Warui: in php then?
14:49 < cirwin> $wgArticle->getRevIdFetched() ?
14:52 < Warui> I'll try that
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15:07 < Warui> cirwin: nope, i don't get different numbers for stable and draft version
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15:09 < microm> where can I find examples of the bugzillareports extension in action? I need more examples than the ones provided.
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15:16 < CIA-66> siebrand * r58944 /trunk/extensions/Translate/groups/Wikia/extensions.txt: 
15:16 < CIA-66> Updates based on review
15:16 < CIA-66> * set optionals and ignored
15:16 < CIA-66> * added FIXME and ignored worst offenders
15:21 < kevindanko> How can i add a background around just the text of all h2 headers?
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15:22 < kevindanko> i want a green background color behind the text of h2 headers, however can't figure out how to do it
15:22 < Danwe> hi
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15:22 < Danwe> are there any examples how to use the MW api with php??
15:23 < Warui> Danwe: use snoopy
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15:24 < Danwe> Warui: snoopy??
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15:25 < Danwe> do you mean this one: http://sourceforge.net/projects/snoopy/
15:26 < Danwe> how could that be usefull?
15:29 < wikibugs> (DUP) Insert Links : press enter create duplicate values - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21489  +comment (roan.kattouw)
15:29 < wikibugs> (mod) Insert Links : Warning message appear twice - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21484  (roan.kattouw)
15:30 < Warui> look at the mediawiki documentation of the API
15:30 < Warui> keyword "using internally"
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15:40 < Danwe> I'd like to get a list of certain pages in my wiki to compare this list with a list I get from another wiki by API and then output some of the pages names. Would I get the pages of my wiki by API or better by some wiki php functions??
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15:44 < AryehGregor> Danwe, the API is for use by external scripts accessing the wiki via HTTP, i.e., bots.  If you can use MediaWiki's PHP functions directly, you're probably better off doing that (except that it's potentially less stable).
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15:45 < Danwe> AryehGregor: ok, but to get informations from another wiki to my wiki the API is more suitable I guess?
15:45 < RoanKattouw> Yes
15:45 < Danwe> or are there any php functions for that as well?
15:45  * AryehGregor notes to self not to rely on rsync -x for backups in the future if he might later move everything onto one filesystem
15:45 < AryehGregor> Listen to RoanKattouw.
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15:47 < Danwe> ok, thank you both and thanks Warui too. No I only have to find alle the php functions to get the informations from my wiki. Is there a list somewhere like there is one for the api functions?
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15:55 < CIA-66> ialex * r58945 /trunk/extensions/regexBlock/ (regexBlock.i18n.php regexBlockCore.php): Added new message 'regexblock-link' for the link at the top of Special:Contributions rather than reusing 'regexblock'
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15:55 < Warui> Danwe: just call api.php instead of index.php
16:00 < Danwe> Warui: Yes this shows me the API functions. But I am talking about the php functions now, which will get me all pages for example or all pages in a category ;-)
16:00 < BradLee> kevindanko: h2 {
16:00 < BradLee>   background-color:green;
16:00 < BradLee> }
16:00 < RoanKattouw> Danwe: There aren't any, you need to run the DB query yourself
16:00 < RoanKattouw> Look at the relevant part of the software that does that
16:01 < RoanKattouw> The Title, Article and User classes are good places to start
16:01 < RoanKattouw> !class Title | Danwe
16:01 < mwbot> Danwe: See http://svn.wikimedia.org/doc/classTitle.html
16:06 < werdna> also Database class
16:07 < Danwe> RoanKattouw: But when I use sql queries I have to write them in mysql, postreSQL and so on... I thought there are functions provieded by MW core to get informations and MW manages the SQL queries.
16:07 < RoanKattouw> !class DatabaseBase | Danwe
16:07 < mwbot> Danwe: See http://svn.wikimedia.org/doc/classDatabaseBase.html
16:07 < RoanKattouw> We abstract SQL queries to some degree, but we don't have a single function that'll get all categories a page belongs to, for instance
16:09 < AryehGregor> You mean all pages in a category?
16:09 < AryehGregor> Or, well, no.
16:09 < AryehGregor> The other way we don't have unless you want to parse the page, I guess.
16:10 < Warui> I'm still searching for a way to get the exact revision ID of the title I'm currently looking at
16:11 < Danwe> AryehGregor: For example a Special Page which shows all pages from a cagetory which were changed since a defined date. For this I have the parser and I can call these functions if they exist for the parser
16:11 < Warui> like 5127 for StableTest&stable=1 and 5128 for StableTest&stable=0
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16:13 < RoanKattouw> Danwe, AryehGregor: I think you'd be better off querying categorylinks than parsing the page
16:13 < AryehGregor> Well, yes, obviously.
16:14 < AryehGregor> Unless you're parsing the page anyway.
16:14 < Danwe> but the special page would call the parser anyway
16:15 < Danwe> RoanKattouw: what do you mean by querying categorylinks? per SQL or what? Wouldn't be the API better in this case? pure SQL seems not to be a good solution since there could be changes in the DB design or some wikis don't use mysql...
16:15 < RoanKattouw> Is there anyone here that has Internet Explorer handy and wants to run a quick testcase for me? Go to http://toolserver.org/~catrope/testcase.html , and tell me what the alert dialog says when you left-click and right-click the link
16:16 < RoanKattouw> Danwe: You wouldn't use pure SQL, you'd use the Database class wrapper. And for this kind of information the API may indeed be a better idea
16:16 < RoanKattouw> But our database schema is relatively stable
16:16 < AryehGregor> Danwe, significant changes to categorylinks are unlikely.  Use the DB abstraction layer and you don't have to worry about MySQL vs. PostgreSQL vs. SQLite vs. Oracle vs. DB2 vs. MSSQL vs. any other DB that we theoretically support.
16:17 < AryehGregor> $res = $dbr->select( 'categorylinks', '*', array( 'page_id' => $pageid ), __METHOD__ );
16:18 < Warui> how and why can a review fail?
16:18 < Danwe> ok thank you. But I think I will just start with a special page ;-)
16:18 < Warui> and why do i get a "revision successfully flagged" but the button says "Review failed"
16:18 < Warui> ?
16:18 < MaxSem> RoanKattouw, 1 on IE8
16:18 < RoanKattouw> MaxSem: Thanks
16:18 < ialex> and 0 on FF :)
16:19 < RoanKattouw> I just read the entry on quirksmode and it seems different browsers use different models 
16:19 < RoanKattouw> Firefox follows the W3C spec somewhat, but IE uses a more sane system (hey there's some news)
16:19 < MaxSem> why are you still using your own copy of jQuery when there's js2?
16:19 < RoanKattouw> http://quirksmode.org/dom/w3c_events.html#miscprop
16:20 < RoanKattouw> MaxSem: We're not anymore. This is old code, newer code doesn't do that anymore
16:20 < RoanKattouw> But we're supposed to be deploying the old code soonish
16:20 < werdna> AryehGregor: I need to bug the foundation peoples when they're awake to give me a windows license
16:20 < RoanKattouw> (old in relative terms)
16:20 < AryehGregor> werdna, why?  Testing?
16:20 < werdna> yeah
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16:20 < werdna> speak of the devil
16:21 < werdna> hey RobH, Erik said if I bought a windows license for testing in a VM, I'd be reimbursed. Do you have any idea what I'm supposed to buy for IE6/7/8/windows testing?
16:21  * RoanKattouw gets in line
16:21 < AryehGregor> I'm surprised you don't have a bunch of random Windows copies lying around.  Do you come from a non-Windows household?
16:22 < RobH> werdna: You mean what windows version?  Whatever you want, but I would get windows 7 if I were you =]
16:22 < werdna> AryehGregor: I live in London away from my family right now
16:22 < RoanKattouw> Hm yeah, I guess I can always use the illegal Windows copy from the family computer
16:22 < werdna> otherwise I would grab one from my parents
16:22 < werdna> RobH: heh, I have no idea if windows even allows virtualisation
16:22 < AryehGregor> Windows 7 doesn't support IE6, does it?
16:22 < werdna> maybe trevor etc will have a better idea
16:22 < RobH> AryehGregor: No idea =]
16:22 < AryehGregor> werdna, it does, at least in the more expensive versions, IIRC.
16:22 < RobH> werdna: if you check online I bet you can get XP pro super cheap
16:23 < AryehGregor> It disables the trusted computing stuff, though.
16:23 < RoanKattouw> werdna: Windows allows virt, that is, it allows being virtualized by xen / VMWare
16:23 < RobH> since its just testing, that would suffice and I know it works with all versions of IE
16:23 < AryehGregor> You probably want XP so you can test IE6, 7, and 8.
16:23 < werdna> AryehGregor: right, but i need to find the actual versions that allow virtualisation
16:23 < werdna> :D
16:23 < werdna> it's easier just to ask trevor or rob or whoever knows
16:23 < RobH> um, whadda mean allow virtualization?  I have xp pro running in parallels.
16:23 < RoanKattouw> werdna: As far as I'm aware any XP version allows being virtualized
16:23 < werdna> brion: do you have any idea on what I'm supposed to buy windows-wise for minimal testing?
16:23 < RobH> I do not use windows to manage the virtualization
16:24 < RobH> but xp works great in VMs
16:24 < werdna> RoanKattouw: right, but will XP support IE8? IE9 whenever it's out?
16:24 < RoanKattouw> True
16:24 < brion> depends on what you're gonna test i guess werdna 
16:24 < RobH> werdna: I would hope it woudl support it
16:24 < RobH> there are a lot of XP users still.
16:24 < brion> xp runs ie 6, 7, and 8 for now
16:24 < ialex> werdna: XP supports IE8
16:24 < werdna> brion: well, so long as I can run IE6+ on it, that's about it
16:24 < RobH> werdna: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116515&cm_re=windows_xp_pro-_-32-116-515-_-Product
16:24 < werdna> so the consensus is grab a cheap XP
16:24 < RobH> cheap XP pro
16:25 < werdna> that's not cheap
16:25 < werdna> that's more expensive than an Win7 upgrade
16:25 < RobH> its cheap of an OS =P
16:25 < RobH> under 150 bucks is reasonable.
16:25 < werdna> to be fair, the only OS I've ever "bought" is Snow Leopard,which was $29
16:25 < RobH> heh
16:25 < RobH> that doesnt count
16:25 < werdna> brand new on the day it was released
16:26 < RobH> snow leopard just updated to break atom processor support
16:26 < RobH> damn apple.
16:26 < RobH> no new os x on dell minis.
16:26 < flyingparchment> werdna: windows 7 home premium
16:26 < flyingparchment> why would anyone pay for XP when it'll be EOSL in a few years?
16:27 < AryehGregor> flyingparchment, to test IE6?
16:27 < werdna> flyingparchment: well, I don't want to actually use it, it's just for testing IEs
16:27 < flyingparchment> AryehGregor: Windows XP Mode
16:28 < flyingparchment> (although that does't come in home premium, but pro isn't that much more)
16:28  * RobH goes back to fixing the lom on bayes/snapshot1-3
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16:28 < RoanKattouw> MaxSem: Can you refresh http://toolserver.org/~catrope/testcase.html again and enter a letter followed by a backspace in the textbox?
16:28 < RoanKattouw> (in IE that is)
16:29  * RoanKattouw needs a more scalable way of testing IE quirks, but Xen blew up in his face
16:29 < flyingparchment> AryehGregor: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Windows_7_XP_Mode.png
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16:29 < AryehGregor> Oh, right, that's where they give you an XP VM for free, right?
16:29 < flyingparchment> yes
16:29 < AryehGregor> That would work great.
16:29 < MaxSem> key: up->press->down
16:30 < flyingparchment> and it'll still working 5 years from now, plus you'll be able to test IE10
16:30 < MaxSem> bksp: up->down
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16:30 < werdna> flyingparchment: hmm, how much is that?
16:31 < RoanKattouw> MaxSem: That confirms my suspicion, thanks
16:31 < flyingparchment> werdna: http://www.lambda-tek.com/componentshop/index.pl?prodID=B249838
16:32 < werdna> hmm
16:32 < werdna> thanks
16:32 < flyingparchment> you might want to check if XP Mode works inside a VM though - if you're not running it on real hardware
16:33 < werdna> nod
16:33 < werdna> a VM inside a VM
16:33 < werdna> freaky!
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16:33 < flyingparchment> iirc, current Virtual PC requires VT...
16:33 < MaxSem> ...and if virtual XP has IE6)))))))))
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16:34 < MaxSem> I suspect it may have something newer
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16:36 < pingou> hi 
16:37 < pingou> in an AuthPlugin how could I change the mw username ?
16:37 < pingou> (the $user->mName)
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16:40 < ialex> pingou: if the account already exists in MediaWiki's database, then you can't otherwise you can try to override getCanonicalName()
16:41 < pingou> ialex: overriding the user class ?
16:42 < ialex> pingou: no, I mean implement getCanonicalName() in your AuthPlugin class
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16:43 < pingou> ialex: looking at that, thanks :)
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16:46 < pingou> ialex: can I by any chance do that after the authenticate ?
16:46 < fanada> hello, what would be the simplest way to add a template at the bottom of all of the pages of my wiki?
16:46 < fanada> all pages in 'main'
16:47 < fanada> and eventually to the newly created ones
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16:47 < RoanKattouw> fanada: Modify the footer?
16:47 < fanada> RoanKattouw, not the best solution, it's a language template
16:48 < ialex> pingou: don't think so
16:49 < pingou> ialex: thanks :)
16:49 < RoanKattouw> fanada: Maybe {{PAGENAME}} works in the footer, I have no idea
16:52 < fanada> RoanKattouw, exactly but i want this to be added automatically at the bottom of all pages
16:52 < RoanKattouw> Yeah so put it in the footer
16:53 < RoanKattouw> If that will work with {{PAGENAME}} and all that
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16:54 < fanada> you mean in css footer?
16:54 < RoanKattouw> No, in MediaWiki:Footer or whatever it's called
16:55 < fanada> ah no this won't as language template displays differently depending on the content of the page
16:55 < RoanKattouw> Yeah so maybe {{PAGENAME}} will work
16:56 < fanada> like at the bottom of this page: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Installation
16:56 < RoanKattouw> Like I said, I don't know if that'll work, I think it might
16:56 < fanada> see the language template?
16:56 < fanada> it's not in the footer
16:56 < RoanKattouw> fanada: Yes. For that, you're stuck with just putting the template there manually
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16:57 < RoanKattouw> (And it'd be nicer to have it on top instead, IMO)
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16:58 < fanada> RoanKattouw, thanks then i check the script again
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17:01 < thedj> hmm, why won't my local installation engage html5 mode anymore.
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17:04 < RoanKattouw> AryehGregor: Didn't you commit a HTML5 fix recently that was in need of a quick sync?
17:04 < AryehGregor> RoanKattouw, the fix turned out to be disabling HTML5.
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17:04 < AryehGregor> The problem was bigger than I thought.
17:05 < RoanKattouw> ha
17:05 < AryehGregor> Summary: XML is retarded.
17:05 < AryehGregor> You basically can't use named entities like &nbsp;.
17:05  * RoanKattouw curses the morebots -> identi.ca bridge which has been down for weeks now
17:05 < AryehGregor> You can get away with it if you use a magic doctype because browsers apply magic and ignore the XML spec.
17:05 < RoanKattouw> It's damn convenient
17:05 < freakolowsky> XML is THE EVIL!!!
17:05 < AryehGregor> If you use any doctype other than from a magic list, they follow the spec and all named entities break.
17:06 < AryehGregor> Everything other than a browser probably follows the spec all the time, and will break on &nbsp; anyway.
17:06 < RoanKattouw> Today my teacher surprised me by saying XML looked like a context-free language but wasn't, and I was convinced he was wrong until I actually tried writing a grammar
17:06 < AryehGregor> Except that XML doesn't actually require that you fail on named entities, it lets you treat them as okay as long as you retrieve and check against the DTD, which nobody in their right mind does.
17:07 < RoanKattouw> heh
17:07 < AryehGregor> Isn't there BNF for XML?
17:07 < RoanKattouw> I guess
17:07 < RoanKattouw> XML is almost context-free, apart from a small detail
17:07 < RoanKattouw> You can still use the BNF and handle that small detail in your parser
17:07 < pingou> ialex: that did the trick ! :)
17:07 < AryehGregor> Namely what?
17:07 < Platonides> XML allow too much <! magic
17:07 < CIA-66> dale * r58946 /trunk/phase3/js2/mwEmbed/libEmbedVideo/embedVideo.js: * some re-factoring and comments clean up
17:08 < RoanKattouw> Well a non-self-closing tag is defined as '<' TAGNAME ' ' ATTRLIST '>' (TAG|TEXT) '</' TAGNAME '>'
17:08 < RoanKattouw> Except that the two instances of TAGNAME must be equal
17:08 < RoanKattouw> And AFAIK there's no way to do that in a context-free grammar
17:09 < RoanKattouw> s/is defined as/I defined as/
17:09 < AryehGregor> I don't know any of this theoretical grammar stuff.  It's impossible with regex, I know that.
17:09 < AryehGregor> Also with context-free grammars?
17:09 < AryehGregor> That seems like more than a "detail".
17:09 < RoanKattouw> Well it means that theoretically you can't use a stack parser to parse XML
17:10 < RoanKattouw> In practice you can cheat a little bit and use a stack parser that stores extra info
17:11 < AryehGregor> Interesting.
17:11 < RoanKattouw> (Disclaimer: I don't have too much experience in this field either, so I could be wrong here and there; but I trust my teacher when he says XML is context-sensitive)
17:12 < RoanKattouw> The hack is that you're not just expecting a close tag at some point, you're expecting a specific close tag
17:12 < RoanKattouw> That specificity is the extra data
17:12 < RoanKattouw> Of course there could be more pitfalls, I don't know
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17:13  * freakolowsky is starting "more JSON, less XML" campaign
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17:14 < RoanKattouw> Yeah I like JSON
17:14  * RoanKattouw starts thinking about whether it's context-free
17:14 < Platonides> you're expecting any close tag... and erroring if it's not the same as the first one
17:14 < Platonides> that's not a problem if you're going to parse it with something like yacc
17:16 < AryehGregor> AzaTht, do you know of any scripts that parse Wikipedia pages as XML, that aren't written in JavaScript?
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17:18 < RoanKattouw> Platonides: Yes, that's the point. The constraint that the closing tag must match is not expressible in BNF
17:18 < RoanKattouw> In practice that's not a problem, as you pointed out
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17:24 < CIA-66> werdna * r58948 /branches/wmf-deployment/extensions/LiquidThreads_beta/: Copy LiquidThreads trunk state to extensions/LiquidThreads_beta, which will be deployed to liquidthreads_labswikimedia only.
17:24 < CIA-66> werdna * r58947 /trunk/extensions/LiquidThreads/ (api/ApiThreadAction.php lqt.js): 
17:24 < CIA-66> LiquidThreads: Render the new top-level thread as part of the API module for
17:24 < CIA-66> saving the thread. This way, we do not have to wait for slaves to catch up, and
17:24 < CIA-66> then make a third API request. Feels way way way snappier than before.
17:24 < Warui> !doc WebRequest
17:24 < mwbot> An overview of available documentation about MediaWiki can be found at <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Developer_hub>
17:25 < RoanKattouw> Warui: Use !class
17:25 < CIA-66> ialex * r58949 /trunk/phase3/includes/memcached-client.php: Use tabs for indentation, not spaces
17:25 < CIA-66> werdna * r58950 /branches/wmf-deployment/extensions/ (LiquidThreads_alpha/ LiquidThreads_beta/): Rename LiquidThreads beta to alpha.
17:25 < ialex> !class WebRequest | Warui
17:25 < mwbot> Warui: See http://svn.wikimedia.org/doc/classWebRequest.html
17:28 < CIA-66> jeroendedauw * r58951 /trunk/extensions/Maps/ (9 files in 5 dirs): Changes for 0.4.2 (rc1). http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Maps/Future#Maps_0.4.2
17:28 < CIA-66> jeroendedauw * r58952 /trunk/extensions/SemanticMaps/SemanticMaps.php: Changes for 0.4.2 (rc1). http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Maps/Future#Maps_0.4.2
17:30 < CIA-66> catrope * r58953 /trunk/extensions/UsabilityInitiative/ (8 files in 5 dirs): * UsabilityIntiative: Hopefully fix bug 21342 (e.button != 0 check doesn't work in IE) and bug 21050 (IE doesn't throw keypress on backspace)
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17:32 < AzaTht> AryehGregor: scripts?
17:33 < AryehGregor> AzaTht, yes.  Like user scripts or whatever.
17:33 < AryehGregor> You know, like Twinkle or whatnot, but not written in JavaScript.  Stand-alone apps.
17:33 < AryehGregor> I know there are some, but do they use XML parsers to screen-scrape, or do they all rely on the API?
17:34 < werdna> ah bugger
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17:36 < AzaTht> pywikipedia perhaps
17:36 < werdna> the JS changes aren't taking effect, because I've hardcoded extensions/LiquidThreads
17:37 < werdna> I wonder if there's a way to figure that out
17:37 < AryehGregor> "I've actually seen Britannica do much worse, including displaying an ad for extermination services next to their article about Auschwitz" bwahaha.
17:40 < microm> is it possible to generate a table of bug count per component for a given product with the BugzillaReports extension?
17:41 < werdna> AryehGregor: any thoughts?
17:41 < werdna> I'm assuming I'll have to somehow parse dirname(__FILE__) or add a config parameter
17:41 < AryehGregor> microm, no one here probably knows the first thing about BugzillaReports.  It's an unofficial extension hosted on Google Code.  You should go ask there.
17:41 < microm> k
17:42 < AryehGregor> microm, or on the talk page on mediawiki.org.
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17:42 < surfzoid> Hi
17:42 < AryehGregor> werdna, no particular ideas here.
17:42 < surfzoid> is it possible to display an swf (flash movie) in an mediawiki article ,
17:42 < surfzoid> ?
17:43 < Platonides> with the appropiate extension
17:43 < surfzoid> there is one ,
17:43 < surfzoid> ?
17:43 < Platonides> depends on what you exactly want
17:44 < Platonides> look at http://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ASearch&search=extension+swf
17:44 < surfzoid> i have an swf file and i would like give user possibility to see it on the wiki
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17:44 < surfzoid> hum seem to have tone of swf extention :-)
17:45 < Platonides> probably none of them is exceptionally good
17:45 < Platonides> but there should be someone good enough to fit your needs
17:46 < CIA-66> werdna * r58954 /branches/wmf-deployment/extensions/LiquidThreads_alpha/classes/View.php: LiquidThreads live-hack, to be replaced later, fixing issue with LiquidThreads_alpha on WMF where the wrong JS files were being loaded
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17:51 < darkscrypt> wondering is it possible to secure mediawiiki so that you have to login to view most content
17:51 < darkscrypt> and only have some content publicly available
17:51 < RoanKattouw_away> !access | darkscrypt 
17:51 < mwbot> darkscrypt: For information on customizing user access, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:User_rights>. For common examples of restricting access using both rights and extensions, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Preventing_access>.
17:52 < CIA-66> jeroendedauw * r58955 /trunk/extensions/Maps/ParserFunctions/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Changes for 0.4.2 (rc1). http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Maps/Future#Maps_0.4.2
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17:53 < darkscrypt> thanks
17:54 < wikibugs> (mod) Lots of interwiki links create a block of whitespace. - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1223  (Yu_Jin)
17:55 < wikibugs> (mod) Collapsing tabs not listing all in the drop down except for read and edit - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21203  normal->CRIT (nkomura)
17:57 < wikibugs> (mod) Collapsing tabs not listing all in the drop down except for read and edit - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21203  (roan.kattouw)
17:57 < siebrand> werdna: Lqt feels quicker, indeed, with the latest changes.
17:59 < werdna> hooray
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18:12 < surfzoid> Platonides: thank you very mutch, the first result in your search link, give me good result as expected :-)
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18:14 < stahnma> I have been searching for a way to exclude User namespace from the recent changes default rss feed.  Is there a way to do this?
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18:15 < wikitesti> Hi 
18:15 < wikitesti> i want to send a email at my user 
18:15 < wikitesti> how i doing?
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18:19 < CIA-66> dale * r58956 /trunk/phase3/js2/mwEmbed/ (8 files in 5 dirs): * some minor refactoring and comment clean up
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18:20 < surfzoid> Platonides: another "dark" question is there a counter able to count the number of download  of an exe (http://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ASearch&redirs=1&search=extension+download+counter&fulltext=Search&ns0=1&ns12=1&ns100=1&ns102=1) ?
18:21 < CIA-66> ialex * r58957 /trunk/phase3/includes/memcached-client.php: Fix for r58949: correct indentation
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18:24 < wikibugs> (WFM) Google search connects to invalid links - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19374  +comment (maxsem.wiki)
18:25 < wikibugs> (mod) Hide globally hidden user names on Special:Log/globalauth - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18183  (wikipedia_emails-nachfrage)
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18:28 < CIA-66> dale * r58958 /trunk/phase3/js2/mwEmbed/libClipEdit/Jcrop/js/jquery.Jcrop.min.js: removed jCrop.min (scriptLoader handles min)
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18:31 < freakolowsky> best invention ever ... webui for uTorrent ... start DLin TV episodes @ work ... come home ... watch :S
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18:35 < flyingparchment> freakolowsky: i guess you didn't see the real best invention ever: RSS
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18:36 < freakolowsky> flyingparchment: RQSS ... json-based
18:36 < flyingparchment> freakolowsky: never heard of that, and i don't think utorrent supports it
18:37 < freakolowsky> i don't use RSS with uTorrent because it downloads all versions of a episode ... 1080p, 720p, 5xxp ... and i don't need all versions 
18:37 < flyingparchment> not it doesn't, just select 'HDTV' as the format
18:37 < flyingparchment> (or 720p, or whatever you want)
18:37 < freakolowsky> well ... webui works for me ...
18:38 < freakolowsky> :D
18:38 < freakolowsky> RQSS is a work in progress with me and some other devs here ... trying to get RSS going in JSON format without all teh clutter ... 
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18:41 < freakolowsky> only 27hours to go ... then PAAAAAHTEEEEEY all weekend long !!!
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18:53 < surfzoid> i followed the instruction to install this extension http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ClickCounter#Installation  but i can't use it, i tried to put this http://pastebin.com/d57ca26bf directly in an article where there are this link, but the counter isn't incremented , where am i wrong ?
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18:54 < CIA-66> siebrand * r58959 /trunk/phase3/js2/ (36 files in 12 dirs): 
18:54 < CIA-66> Run patched version of stylize.php (http://pywiki.pastey.net/128379 for diff) on
18:54 < CIA-66> non-lib non-minimised JavaScript files in js2, except for 3 files locked by
18:54 < CIA-66> timstarling. mdale will run tests on this. Should not be considered anywhere
18:54 < CIA-66> near stable until reviewed (!!!)
18:54 < CIA-66> The script had some trouble processing some of the regular expressions. Those were put back to their original formatting. Some were updated manually, others were not.
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19:04 < freakolowsky> AryehGregor: 1s precision is not sufficent?
19:10 < AryehGregor> freakolowsky, for uniqueness of revisions?  No, not in general.  In most cases, of course, yes, but there are definitely going to be occasional conflicts.
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19:12 < freakolowsky> AryehGregor: tough customer ...
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19:18 < AryehGregor> Eh?
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19:21 < freakolowsky> nuthin ... static ... my processors need downtime!
19:22 < surfzoid> Enrico Daga is here ?
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19:24 < freakolowsky> :O wikipedia returning blank pages ?!?!
19:24 < Platonides> we know
19:24 < freakolowsky> 500
19:24 < freakolowsky> what 'appened?
19:24 < CIA-66> dale * r58960 /trunk/phase3/js2/mwEmbed/ (10 files in 5 dirs): * partial fix of regEx... (might be worth reverting) fixing rex issues and testing things in /example_usage
19:24 < Platonides> root updated the code
19:25 < freakolowsky> did DeeDee come in the server room and did what whe always does ... pushed the least ql button to push :D
19:25 < JeroenDeDauw1> mediawiki.org down?
19:26 < Platonides> all the wikis
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19:26 < JeroenDeDauw1> Who screwed up? :d
19:26 < tomaszf> all wikis are down
19:27 < Platonides> tomaszf, can you confirm whoever fucked it up is fixing it?
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19:28 < tomaszf> yeah .. poking at him now 
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19:28 < tomaszf> and were back
19:29 < freakolowsky> tomaszf: Kame-kame-haaaa-poke
19:29 < freakolowsky> :D
19:29 < tomaszf> :D
19:29 < freakolowsky> yaaaaay wiki is back ... my brain doesn't have to work that hard anymore
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19:31 < enomil> seems like the interwiki links are broken
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19:33 < cirwin> enomil: I can second that
19:34 < Platonides> we know
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19:35 < freakolowsky> nuff ...
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19:37 < MaxSem> wee http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Log/globalauth
19:37 < MaxSem> FAIL
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19:38 < Reedy> lol
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19:39 < wikibugs> (NEW) Interwiki links are broken - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21490 critical; Normal; Wikimedia: Interwiki links; (cenarium.sysop)
19:41 < wikibugs> (FIXED) Interwiki links are broken - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21490  +comment (cenarium.sysop)
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19:42 < fanada> hi there, any hints about an auth problem between latest SVN botwiki and a 1.12.1 standard installation of mediawiki?
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19:42 < fanada> i got: Login failed. Wrong password or CAPTCHA answer?
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19:43 < Platonides> fanada, update your wiki
19:43 < fanada> when user/passwd work from web
19:43 < Platonides> perhaps it had a bug on that
19:43 < Platonides> 1.12 is oold
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19:43 < Platonides> (unless you mean 1.15.1)
19:44 < LolliRock> * MediaWiki version: 1.15.1
19:44 < LolliRock> * URL: http://wiki.rockciclopedia.com
19:44 < LolliRock> Hi! :)
19:44 < LolliRock> I've integrated MediaWiki with SMF, I've fixed almost all problems... the one that I can't fix is that the buttons above the content box aren't... above the box.. I've tried with position:absolute to move 'em and give 'em the proper position, but it changes from browser and browser and for every resolution is different!! Also, if you reduce the browser window they go out of the page!
19:44 < fanada> well i can't update that easy, it's standard mediawiki version of debian etch
19:44 < LolliRock> The CSS I used (wrong!!) is this:
19:44 < LolliRock> #p-cactions {
19:44 < LolliRock> 	position: absolute;
19:44 < LolliRock> 	top: 17.8em;
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19:44 < LolliRock> 	left: 37em;
19:44 < OverlordQ> !pastebin | LolliRock
19:44 < mwbot> LolliRock: Please do not paste more than 2-3 lines of text into the channel as it disrupts the flow of conversation. Instead please use a pastebin such as <http://mediawiki.pastey.net> and post a link to your paste in the channel.
19:44 < LolliRock> 	margin: 0;
19:44 < LolliRock> 	white-space: nowrap;
19:44 < LolliRock> 	width: 76%;
19:44 < LolliRock> 	line-height: 1.1em;
19:44 < LolliRock> 	overflow: visible;
19:44 < LolliRock> 	background: none;
19:44 < LolliRock> 	border-collapse: collapse;
19:44 < Reedy> lmfao
19:44 < LolliRock> 	padding-left: 1em;
19:44 < LolliRock> 	list-style: none;
19:44 < LolliRock> 	font-size: 95%;
19:44 < LolliRock> }
19:44 < LolliRock> ...how can I have 'em in the proper position? Please, help me!!!! :(
19:44 < LolliRock> ops
19:44 < LolliRock> sorry overlord
19:45 < LolliRock> i'm not so good with english, so I've written that text and now pasted here...
19:45 < LolliRock> can someone help me..?
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19:48 < Warui> when I can't successfully change my temporary password to a new one ... what can the problem be?
19:50 < CIA-66> nimishg * r58961 /trunk/extensions/ContributionReporting/ContributionTrackingStatistics_body.php: PHP Datetime fixes
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19:58 < toll_232123> alright all
19:58 < toll_232123> I seem to have a LocalSettings.php in config/LocalSettings.php and another one in my html root
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20:01 < LolliRock> Overlord can you help me...? I've tried many different positions with the CSS but it's right for one resolution and wrong for the others, the same for browsers..!!
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20:01 < OverlordQ> I'm not that good with CSS, so no, sorry.
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20:02 < LolliRock> ok... waiting for the others.. :P
20:02 < Warui> toll_232123: you'll probably have the second one still from your installation
20:03 < Warui> and after the installation the process should have told you to move (or copy and delete the old one) the file
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20:08 < siebrand> werdna: PHP Notice:  Undefined variable: renderpos in /var/www/w/extensions/LiquidThreads/api/ApiThreadAction.php on line 514
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20:09 < CIA-66> raymond * r58962 /trunk/extensions/GlobalUsage/GlobalUsage.i18n.php: 
20:09 < CIA-66> Remove $1 (filename) from this message. It's clutter the pages.
20:09 < CIA-66> This message is shown on the file description page (the filename is known) and
20:09 < CIA-66> on Special:GlobalUsage where the filename is shown in the pagetitle.
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20:10 < wikibugs> (mod) Set q:sk: logo - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21262  (rhalsell)
20:11 < wikibugs> (FIXED) Set q:sk: logo - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21262  +comment (rhalsell)
20:12 < wikibugs> (mod) Collapsing tabs not listing all in the drop down except for read and edit - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21203  (nkomura)
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20:15 < wikibugs> (REOPENED) Set q:sk: logo - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21262  +comment (rhalsell)
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20:17 < wikibugs> (WFM) Navigable TOC : Link is become a normal text when it's clicked. - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21201  (nkomura)
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20:22 < wikibugs> (mod) Navigable TOC : Link is become a normal text when it's clicked. - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21201  (nkomura)
20:22 < toll_232123> is anyone using PDF export?
20:22 < toll_232123> my hostname is being appended to the image URL twice
20:23 < toll_232123> well pre-pended
20:27 < wikibugs> (NEW) s:cs: settings - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21491 enhancement; Normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (danny.b)
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20:33 < wikibugs> (mod) Posting an reply to message at Special:NewMessages breaks the view - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21462  (niklas.laxstrom)
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20:34 < wikibugs> (mod) s:cs: settings - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21491  (rhalsell)
20:35 < wikibugs> (ASSIGNED) s:cs: settings - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21491  (rhalsell)
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20:37 < wikibugs> (mod) nl Wikipedia: Possibility to see deleted edits for checkusers - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20775  (rhalsell)
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20:42 < wikibugs> (mod) Advanced toolbar doesn't show in Safari 3 and IE7 - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21486  summary (nkomura)
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20:55 < wikibugs> (NEW) Usability Beta: IE7 issue on enwiki - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21492 blocker; Normal; MediaWiki: User interface; (churchill95)
20:56 < wikibugs> (FIXED) Set logo for Bengali Wikibooks - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21431  +comment (rhalsell)
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20:58 < wikibugs> (NEW) Usability beta: casading tabs not working in IE7, dewiki - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21493 normal; Normal; MediaWiki: User interface; (churchill95)
20:58 < wikibugs> (mod) Usability beta: casading tabs not working in IE7, dewiki - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21493  (churchill95)
20:59 < wikibugs> (mod) Usability Beta: IE7 issue on enwiki - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21492  (roan.kattouw)
20:59 < wikibugs> (mod) Usability beta: casading tabs not working in IE7, dewiki - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21493  (churchill95)
20:59 < wikibugs> (mod) Usability Beta: IE7 issue on enwiki - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21492  (churchill95)
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21:01 < wikibugs> (FIXED) Additional transwiki import sources on Incubator - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20973  +comment (rhalsell)
21:02 < wikibugs> (FIXED) Usability beta: casading tabs not working in IE7, dewiki - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21493  +comment (roan.kattouw)
21:03 < Bryan> !debug
21:03 < mwbot> For information on debugging (including viewing errors), see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/How_to_debug>.
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21:05 < LordXenu> how can I put an indented "box" as part of a numbered list?  it seems that when I do it it's not part of hte list, then the numbering restarts afterward
21:05 < OverlordQ> use html lists
21:06 < LordXenu> hm, that wouldn't be like bad wiki style?
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21:13 < OverlordQ> it's the only way to do what you want
21:13 < siebrand> werdna: you there?
21:13 < werdna> siebrand: You sent me a contentless ping.  This is a contentless pong.  Please provide a bit of information about what you want and I will respond when I am around.
21:14 < siebrand> werdna: I think I found a way to reproduce the PHP Notice:  Undefined variable: renderpos in /var/www/w/extensions/LiquidThreads/api/ApiThreadAction.php on line 514
21:15 < CIA-66> btongminh * r58963 /trunk/extensions/GlobalUsage/ (5 files): 
21:15 < CIA-66> * Honor $wgUseDumpLinkUpdate by using incremental updates (used by default)
21:15 < CIA-66> * Fixed SQL table creation syntax
21:15 < CIA-66> * Other misc fixes
21:15 < siebrand> werdna: create a first topic on a talk page (I use subject "test", content "test", and no edit summary.
21:15 < CIA-66> tomasz * r58964 /trunk/extensions/GeoLite/GeoLite.php: moving the landing pages to local settings
21:15 < siebrand> werdna: the end state is an empty talk page. After refresh, the thread is there.
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21:19 < wikibugs> (mod) Set q:sk: logo - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21262  (rhalsell)
21:20 < Natalie> Is there a known bug where &section=new wipes out unrelated content on a page?
21:20 < CIA-66> tomasz * r58965 /branches/wmf-deployment/extensions/GeoLite/ (. GeoLite.php): pulling in r58964
21:20 < Natalie> Or perhaps edit conflicts doing it?
21:20 < Platonides> Natalie, an example where content was removed by section=new ?
21:20 < Natalie> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=next&oldid=325490046&diffonly=1
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21:23 < wikibugs> (FIXED) Set q:sk: logo - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21262  +comment (rhalsell)
21:23 < Natalie> Platonides: It's been happening a few times. Any ideas?
21:25 < CIA-66> raymond * r58966 /trunk/ (129 files in 103 dirs): Localisation updates for core and extension messages from translatewiki.net (2009-11-12 19:30 UTC)
21:26 < CIA-66> siebrand * r58967 /trunk/extensions/LiquidThreads/api/ApiFeedLQTThreads.php: Fix plural processing
21:26 < Platonides> looks like an edit conflict
21:27 < Platonides> perhaps Treelo edit got the 'last version' from a slave
21:27 < Natalie> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Wikiquette_alerts&diff=prev&oldid=325190098 is supposedly the same issue.
21:27 < Natalie> Maybe it's not catching/handling edit conflicts properly?
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21:28 < Platonides> that second one has half an hour between an edit and the other
21:29 < Natalie> Yeah. 
21:29 < Natalie> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case&diff=prev&oldid=323897910&diffonly=1
21:29 < Natalie> I think the second diff (of the three) is unrelated.
21:29 < Natalie> It looks like edit conflict handling that's the issue.
21:30 < Platonides> yes
21:30 < Platonides> they look like it isn't noticing that there're later edits
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21:31 < Platonides> like getting the info from a slave a bit lagged instead of the master
21:31 < Natalie> I'll go file a bug.
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21:32 < c3l> how do I set a skin as default for all users?
21:33 < Platonides> $wgDefaultSkin
21:33 < Platonides> !manual $wgDefaultSkin
21:33 < mwbot> An introduction to using MediaWiki is at <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Contents>, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Copying> for information about copying it to your own wiki. More technical information for MediaWiki administrators is at <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Contents>. For an introduction on programming with MediaWiki, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Developer_hub>.
21:33 < Platonides> what was the command? :s
21:33 < c3l> Platonides, cant it be done from Special:Preferences?
21:33 < CIA-66> siebrand * r58968 /trunk/extensions/LiquidThreads/api/ApiThreadAction.php: Replace unknown variable $renderpos by LqtView::viewThread's default for 2nd param (1)
21:33 < wikibugs> (NEW) Edits are overwriting text without user notification - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21494 normal; Normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (public)
21:34 < Platonides> c3l, no
21:34 < c3l> k ty
21:34 < Platonides> you edit LocalSetings.php file
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21:35 < Platonides> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgDefaultSkin
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21:35 < wikibugs> (mod) mySQL dbase create hangs on install - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16758  (maxsem.wiki)
21:36 < CIA-66> adam * r58969 /trunk/extensions/UsabilityInitiative/Vector/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Fixing a bug on collapsible tabs where the tabs would get stuck alternating between collapsed and expanded.
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21:39 < CIA-66> raymond * r58970 /trunk/extensions/WikimediaMessages/WikimediaMessages.i18n.php: Added a user group that I found on huwiki
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21:41 < CIA-66> catrope * r58971 /branches/usability/acaifix/CollapsibleTabs/ (CollapsibleTabs.js CollapsibleTabs.php): usability: Merge r58969 (CollapsibleTabs bouncing fix) from trunk to acaifix
21:41 < LeonWP> where did the rc rss feeds go?
21:42 < wikibugs> (ASSIGNED) Add outreach to interwiki table - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21349  +comment (rhalsell)
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21:51 < wikibugs> (NEW) Add a thumbnail to Special:GlobalUsage - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21495 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: GlobalUsage; (raimond.spekking)
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