--- Log opened Sat Nov 21 00:00:37 2009 00:05 -!- FoeNyx [n=Nicolas@boi59-3-82-233-183-219.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #mediawiki 00:07 -!- Cain [n=Geek@unaffiliated/cain] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 00:08 -!- ialex [n=IAlex@mediawiki/ialex] has quit [] 00:09 -!- Ryan_Lane [n=chatzill@ip174-70-101-237.no.no.cox.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 00:10 -!- roberthl [n=robert@silentflame/member/roberthl] has quit ["leaving"] 00:10 -!- roberthl [n=robert@rhl.me.uk] has joined #mediawiki 00:11 -!- Cain [n=Geek@41.251.248.16] has joined #MediaWiki 00:12 -!- [[sroracle]] [n=sroracle@c-98-215-178-14.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #mediawiki 00:15 -!- j^ [n=j@e179069166.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #mediawiki 00:16 -!- brion [n=brion@wikipedia/Brion-VIBBER] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 00:16 -!- Khanor [n=franqui@dslb-084-058-169-249.pools.arcor-ip.net] has left #mediawiki [] 00:17 -!- Diamant003 [n=user6398@p579CA8C9.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de"] 00:17 -!- Khanor [n=kanor@dslb-084-058-169-249.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #mediawiki 00:18 -!- GDonato [n=GDonato@wikimedia/GDonato] has quit [Connection timed out] 00:18 -!- brion [n=brion@wikipedia/Brion-VIBBER] has joined #mediawiki 00:18 < Keshaun_Williams> I can't run my mediawiki 00:19 < RoanKattouw> Can you be more specific as to what's going wrong? 00:21 -!- Bryan [n=launch@wikimedia-commons/Bryan] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.5/20091102152451]"] 00:21 -!- Ose [n=ose@wikia/Ose] has quit ["Give a person a fish and you feed them for a day; teach a person to use the Internet and they won't bother you for weeks"] 00:21 -!- mattis^1 [n=mattis@host176-29-dynamic.20-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 00:21 -!- Khanor [n=kanor@dslb-084-058-169-249.pools.arcor-ip.net] has left #mediawiki [] 00:21 < wikibugs> (mod) Transliteration of Crimean Wiki - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21582 +comment (Eugene.Zelenko) 00:22 -!- Khanor [n=kanor@dslb-084-058-169-249.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #mediawiki 00:24 -!- mattis^ [n=mattis@host168-31-dynamic.20-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #mediawiki 00:24 -!- LionsMane [n=don@c-98-216-253-71.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit ["Leaving."] 00:25 -!- dungodung is now known as dungodung|sleep 00:30 -!- apergos [n=ariel@wiktionary/ArielGlenn] has quit ["Leaving."] 00:36 -!- Olipro [n=Olipro@uncyclopedia/pdpc.active.olipro] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 00:37 -!- Olipro [n=Olipro@uncyclopedia/pdpc.active.olipro] has joined #mediawiki 00:38 < JeroenDeDauw> Is there support for parameter validation (for parser functions) in MW core? I want to be able to check if parameters are of a certain type, are within some range, have a certain lenght, are in some array, ect, in one of my extensions. 00:38 < JeroenDeDauw> I don't want to reinvent the wheel though. 00:39 < RoanKattouw> JeroenDeDauw: Well there's in_array() as a built-in PHP function, that one's easy enough :) 00:39 < RoanKattouw> There's also is_*() functions for type checking and you can do range and length easily too 00:39 < RoanKattouw> I think PHP built-in functions and some operators will suffice 00:42 -!- GDonato [n=GDonato@wikimedia/GDonato] has joined #mediawiki 00:44 -!- Olipro [n=Olipro@uncyclopedia/pdpc.active.olipro] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 00:44 -!- Olipro_ [n=Olipro@uncyclopedia/pdpc.active.olipro] has joined #mediawiki 00:44 -!- Reedy [n=reedy@wikimedia/pdpc.active.reedy] has quit ["Leaving"] 00:45 -!- RoanKattouw [i=3ec22ec2@mediawiki/Catrope] has quit ["zzzzzzzzzz"] 00:48 -!- xbaez [n=xbaez@200.76.192.62] has quit ["Leaving"] 00:49 -!- Jake_Wartenberg is now known as JW|AFK 00:50 -!- Reedy [n=Reedy@wikimedia/pdpc.active.reedy] has joined #mediawiki 00:58 -!- Soxred93 [n=Soxred93@wikipedia/Soxred93] has joined #mediawiki 00:58 -!- Khanor [n=kanor@dslb-084-058-169-249.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [] 01:00 -!- brion [n=brion@wikipedia/Brion-VIBBER] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 01:00 -!- brion [n=brion@12.35.79.3] has joined #mediawiki 01:02 -!- Cain` [n=Geek@unaffiliated/cain] has joined #MediaWiki 01:05 -!- SB_Johnny [n=SB_Johnn@c-98-235-177-2.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [] 01:05 -!- Cain [n=Geek@unaffiliated/cain] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 01:05 -!- Cain` is now known as Cain 01:08 -!- avn [n=avn@daemon.hole.ru] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 01:09 -!- avn [n=avn@daemon.hole.ru] has joined #mediawiki 01:15 -!- brion [n=brion@wikipedia/Brion-VIBBER] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 01:15 -!- brion [n=brion@12.35.79.3] has joined #mediawiki 01:19 -!- Soxred93 [n=Soxred93@wikipedia/Soxred93] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 01:19 -!- phyrex1an [n=phyrex1a@bumik.csbnet.se] has quit ["Leaving."] 01:21 -!- Soxred93 [n=Soxred93@wikipedia/Soxred93] has joined #mediawiki 01:21 < wikibugs> (mod) Proofread Page on oldwikisource - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19534 +comment (stolen-from-wikimedia-bugzilla) 01:23 < CIA-66> siebrand * r59302 /trunk/extensions/Translate/scripts/sync-group.php: Prevent empty gettext plural imports 01:24 < CIA-66> siebrand * r59303 /trunk/extensions/Translate/plural_rules.txt: Add TSV file with plural rules from http://translate.sourceforge.net/wiki/l10n/pluralforms 01:25 < CIA-66> siebrand * r59304 /trunk/extensions/Translate/plural_rules.txt: Replace " or " with " || " 01:31 < CIA-66> nimishg * r59301 /trunk/extensions/UsabilityInitiative/ClickTracking/SpecialClickTracking.php: removed table prefix on sql 01:32 -!- Pathoschild [n=Jesse@wikimedia/Pathoschild] has joined #mediawiki 01:34 -!- Soxred93 [n=Soxred93@wikipedia/Soxred93] has quit ["Some people are like slinkies. 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I don't have ftp access 01:50 < Mike_lifeguard> What kind of access /do/ you have? 01:51 < btilm> buerocrat admin oversight that is it 01:51 -!- Sagaci [n=chatzill@CPE-121-217-248-53.lnse3.cht.bigpond.net.au] has joined #mediawiki 01:52 < Mike_lifeguard> btilm: I meant access to the *server* the wiki is hosted on 01:52 < btilm> none. what website would give me a wiki and free ftp hosting? 01:53 -!- Papertiger [i=tiger@e180068072.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #mediawiki 01:53 < Mike_lifeguard> !hosting 01:53 < mwbot> For a list of popular wiki hosting services, see . You can also set up MediaWiki on most webspace that provides PHP and MySQL (SSH recommended). 01:53 < btilm> that is way to hard. I tried once 01:54 < Mike_lifeguard> If you cannot access the server, then you cannot change LocalSettings.php 01:54 < btilm> wikkii is suppose to have free ftp 01:55 < Mike_lifeguard> I thought you said you did not have ftp access 01:55 < btilm> I don't 01:55 < btilm> I use wikkii and it is suppose to, but I don't know hohw 01:56 < Mike_lifeguard> Check their website, email them, call them on the phone 01:56 < btilm> k 01:57 < Mike_lifeguard> you'll need an ftp client, the URL, and a username+password 01:57 < btilm> k bye 01:57 -!- btilm [n=chatzill@adsl-0-25-82.shv.bellsouth.net] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.5/20091102152451]"] 01:58 -!- aZaFred [n=aZaFred@wikimedia/Azafred] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 02:01 -!- TrevorParscal [n=TrevorPa@216.38.133.254] has quit [] 02:03 < DotAWiki|Gara> is it possible to have subst'ed templates translate on previewing a page instead of saving? 02:04 -!- brion [n=brion@wikipedia/Brion-VIBBER] has quit [] 02:09 -!- Papiertiger [i=tiger@e180067112.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 02:16 -!- trev [n=trev@205.158.109.36.ptr.us.xo.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 02:22 -!- elex_ [n=elex@p4FE994A8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #mediawiki 02:22 -!- Soxred93 [n=Soxred93@wikipedia/Soxred93] has joined #mediawiki 02:24 < elex_> Hey, Is it possible to automatically display the the five newest topics of an cat in an template ? 02:34 < Merlissimo> elex_: there is an extension DynamicList that can provides this information. E.g. wikinews uses that 02:34 -!- apergos [n=ariel@wiktionary/ArielGlenn] has joined #mediawiki 02:35 -!- sDrewth [n=sDrewth@wikisource/billinghurst] has joined #mediawiki 02:35 -!- sDrewth [n=sDrewth@wikisource/billinghurst] has left #mediawiki [] 02:36 < Merlissimo> elex_: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/DynamicPageList 02:37 < Merlissimo> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:DynamicPageList_(Wikimedia)#Use 02:38 -!- SecretAg1nt [i=sa@quake.nitemare.name] has joined #mediawiki 02:38 < elex_> thank you I will have a look 02:39 -!- Reedy [n=Reedy@wikimedia/pdpc.active.reedy] has quit ["Leaving"] 02:39 -!- elex_ [n=elex@p4FE994A8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 02:42 -!- j^_ [n=j@e179069089.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #mediawiki 02:45 -!- Soxred93 [n=Soxred93@wikipedia/Soxred93] has quit ["Some people are like slinkies. 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03:08 -!- papyromancer [n=papyroma@ec2-174-129-152-17.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has joined #mediawiki 03:08 < Skizzerz> not that I know of, why would you wish to do this? 03:08 -!- mattis^ [n=mattis@host168-31-dynamic.20-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #mediawiki 03:08 -!- siebrand [n=beis@sm.xs4all.nl] has joined #mediawiki 03:08 -!- Dark_Rift [n=dark@modemcable015.68-200-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #mediawiki 03:09 -!- Dark_Rift [n=dark@modemcable015.68-200-24.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Success] 03:10 -!- JW|AFK is now known as Jake_Wartenberg 03:21 -!- fotoflo [n=chatzill@114.241.161.204] has joined #mediawiki 03:21 < fotoflo> good morning all 03:22 < fotoflo> I need to keep an eye on which users are logging in - is there a plugin that does that? 03:23 -!- Pathoschild is now known as pathospie 03:27 -!- Kaare is now known as KaareAway 03:38 -!- Shown [n=Miranda@87.13.208.186] has quit [Client Quit] 03:40 -!- Raymond_ [n=Raymond@wikipedia/Raymond] has joined #mediawiki 03:46 < DotAWiki|Gara> Skizzerz: Because I'm creating newsarticles with substed templates, which automatically get displayed on my mainpage on save 03:46 < DotAWiki|Gara> and empty(only formatted news)-until-reedited news don't look too good 03:47 -!- prefrontal [n=prefront@mist.colorado.edu] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 03:48 -!- puzzlet [n=puzzlet@147.46.241.168] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 03:48 -!- puzzlet [n=puzzlet@147.46.241.168] has joined #mediawiki 03:49 -!- prefrontal [n=prefront@128.138.223.21] has joined #mediawiki 03:50 -!- prefrontal [n=prefront@128.138.223.21] has quit [SendQ exceeded] 03:52 -!- prefrontal [n=prefront@128.138.223.21] has joined #mediawiki 03:54 -!- MrZ-man [i=MrZ-man@mediawiki/MrZ-man] has joined #mediawiki 03:55 -!- BradLee [n=chatzill@CPE-121-214-97-81.lnse4.lon.bigpond.net.au] has joined #mediawiki 03:56 -!- Raymond_afk [n=Raymond@wikipedia/Raymond] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 03:58 -!- Soxred93 [n=Soxred93@wikipedia/Soxred93] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 03:58 -!- Laura|away is now known as LauraHale 04:01 < CIA-66> mrzman * r59305 /trunk/extensions/UsabilityInitiative/js/plugins/jquery.wikiEditor.toolbar.js: Fix from r59152 04:03 -!- RobH [n=RobH@cpe-173-169-30-118.tampabay.res.rr.com] has quit ["connect: com2 port is currently in use"] 04:06 -!- DotAWiki|Gara [n=dwadmin@BAGac54.bag.pppool.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 04:07 -!- DotAWiki|Gara [n=dwadmin@BAG8ed8.bag.pppool.de] has joined #mediawiki 04:09 -!- MrZ-man [i=MrZ-man@mediawiki/MrZ-man] has quit ["Read Error: 118 (Connection to cabal server terminated by remote host)"] 04:09 -!- Merlissimo [n=Merlissi@wikimedia/Merlissimo] has left #mediawiki ["disconnecting ..."] 04:10 -!- Zorg [n=Zorg@212.225.115.24] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 04:11 -!- Zorg` [n=Zorg@212.225.115.24] has joined #mediawiki 04:12 < wikibugs> (mod) Enable FlaggedRevs on pl.wiktionary - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21156 (JSchulz_4587) 04:16 -!- MrZ-man [i=MrZ-man@mediawiki/MrZ-man] has joined #mediawiki 04:19 -!- pathospie is now known as slavie|away 04:22 -!- sekrit [n=charitwo@wikia/Charitwo] has quit [SendQ exceeded] 04:30 -!- BradLee_ [n=chatzill@CPE-121-214-97-81.lnse4.lon.bigpond.net.au] has joined #mediawiki 04:31 -!- Netsplit calkins.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: fotoflo, mattis^, BradLee, siebrand 04:31 -!- BradLee_ is now known as BradLee 04:31 -!- fotoflo_ [n=chatzill@114.241.161.204] has joined #mediawiki 04:31 -!- fotoflo_ is now known as fotoflo 04:32 -!- jMyles [n=justin@67.221.67.28] has joined #mediawiki 04:35 -!- Netsplit over, joins: siebrand, mattis^ 04:38 -!- zai_ [n=zai@mgdb-4db8df03.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #mediawiki 04:45 -!- jMyles [n=justin@67.221.67.28] has quit ["Leaving"] 04:50 -!- LauraHale [n=laurahal@adsl-99-142-42-96.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net] has quit [] 04:56 -!- zai [n=zai@mgdb-4db8d1dd.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 05:00 -!- slavie|away is now known as applepie 05:06 -!- DotAWiki|Gara [n=dwadmin@BAG8ed8.bag.pppool.de] has quit ["Leaving"] 05:13 -!- zai_ is now known as zai 05:15 < wikibugs> (NEW) Input elements in dialogs no longer work - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21584 major; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: UsabilityInitiative; (mrzmanwiki) 05:17 -!- Soxred93 [n=Soxred93@wikipedia/Soxred93] has joined #mediawiki 05:17 -!- jayne [i=maddhatt@freenode/staff/jayne] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 05:17 -!- Daedalus969 [n=Daedalus@unaffiliated/daedalus969] has quit ["There is no escaping reason, no denying purpose, because as we both know, without purpose, we would not exist. 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This is useful for adding odd/even classes to tables. 07:22 -!- kaiestse [n=kaiestse@n219078143012.netvigator.com] has joined #mediawiki 07:24 < Alphos> !access | f00li5h 07:24 < mwbot> f00li5h: For information on customizing user access, see . For common examples of restricting access using both rights and extensions, see . 07:25 < f00li5h> what's with the <>'s arround urls 07:25 < f00li5h> oh man, i have to edit php to set perms... 07:27 -!- BradLee [n=chatzill@CPE-121-214-97-81.lnse4.lon.bigpond.net.au] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.5/20091102152451]"] 07:32 < f00li5h> I presume there's an extension that will do premission editing without me having to hack on php source 07:32 -!- JC|AFK [n=JC@wikimedia/Juliancolton] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 07:35 -!- coppelia [n=pp@166.111.28.29] has joined #mediawiki 07:39 -!- kaiestse [n=kaiestse@n219078143012.netvigator.com] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.5/20091102152451]"] 07:39 -!- coppelia [n=pp@166.111.28.29] has left #mediawiki [] 07:40 -!- MaxSem [n=max@wikimedia/MaxSem] has joined #mediawiki 07:50 < f00li5h> hrm, they seem deprecated 07:51 -!- fanno [n=Morten@90.184.93.233] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 07:59 -!- ThomasV [n=ThomasV@221.30.73-86.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #mediawiki 08:02 -!- yoyo[RKN] [n=Miranda@i577B6E40.versanet.de] has joined #mediawiki 08:10 -!- applepie is now known as slavie|away 08:12 -!- Saruman_House [n=jan@dworkin.saruman.biz] has joined #mediawiki 08:12 -!- Saruman_House is now known as Saruman 08:25 -!- AndreU_ [n=AndreU@g226095220.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [] 08:40 -!- slavie|away is now known as Pathoschild 08:41 -!- Suiseiseki [n=desudesu@wikipedia/Antonio-Lopez] has quit ["..."] 08:44 < f00li5h> is there a page to tell me about extensions, or are they just done as random patches? 08:45 -!- Dantman [n=dantman@wikia/dantman] has quit ["http://daniel.friesen.name or ELSE!"] 08:47 < MaxSem> !extensions 08:47 < mwbot> MediaWiki has been built so it can easily be customized by adding extensions. This is usually a simple process. See for instructions to install extensions, as well as for writing them. See for an overview of known extensions. 08:49 < f00li5h> MaxSem: do I take that as a "no, there is no page that shows you current extensions"? 08:49 < MaxSem> ah 08:49 < MaxSem> Special:Version 08:55 < Alphos> f00li5h : "current" means two things : the ones that currently exist no matter where ; the ones that currently are installed on a specific wiki 08:56 < Alphos> there was no way for us to know you meant that 08:56 -!- Pathoschild [n=Jesse@wikimedia/Pathoschild] has quit ["reset"] 08:59 -!- wolog [n=wolog@AOrleans-152-1-32-10.w90-21.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 08:59 -!- wolog [n=wolog@AOrleans-152-1-78-137.w90-21.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #mediawiki 09:00 -!- Pathoschild [n=Jesse@wikimedia/Pathoschild] has joined #mediawiki 09:04 < f00li5h> W 81 09:04 < f00li5h> -_- 09:05 < f00li5h> Alphos: It seems unreasonable to expect there to be a list of every extension in existance 09:05 < Alphos> actually there is 09:06 < f00li5h> doesn't list mine... 09:06 < f00li5h> actually, my question has been cleanly answreed, MaxSem++ 09:06 < f00li5h> Alphos: i'll look into that ... 09:06 < Alphos> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension_matrix http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Category:Extensions 09:07 < f00li5h> Alphos: perhpas you can point me at the Z in my XY ... I'm looking for a GUI to let me manage permissions 09:08 < Natalie> Special:UserRights ? 09:09 < f00li5h> Natalie: No such special page... is this newer than MediaWiki: 1.7.1 then? 09:10 < f00li5h> (it's from dpkg... and my sources.list is borked... so it's likely quite old) 09:10 < Alphos> update it 09:10 < Alphos> !update 09:10 < mwbot> update.php is a script that updates the database tables. You usually need to run it after upgrading MediaWiki or installing certain extensions. For details, see 09:10 < f00li5h> perhaps you don't understand want borked means 09:10 < Alphos> meh 09:10 < Alphos> !updating 09:10 < mwbot> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Upgrading 09:10 < f00li5h> i'm willing to bet that this won't apply nicely to debian ... 09:11 < Alphos> gee, i wonder if upgrading a wiki works on debian... say, what's my machine on again ? oh, yeah, debian, right :) 09:12 < f00li5h> right, and you use those instructions instead of grabbing it from dpkg? 09:12 < Alphos> i usually wget a tarball 09:12 < Alphos> untar it, run the update script 09:12 < Alphos> all from the command line 09:13 < f00li5h> so, you don't use the packaged version? 09:13 < Alphos> but i assume that won't be a problem since you know what a sources.list is ;) 09:15 < Alphos> you could also try to update your sources.list, on the other hand ^^' 09:15 < f00li5h> I suppose that means I can close 2 tickets instead of just one ... 09:16 < Alphos> how's that ? 09:16 < f00li5h> well, i can close the "fix sources.list" and the "user management in wiki" tickets with the same move 09:17 < Alphos> oh 09:17 < MaxSem> f00li5h, we don't recommend using MediaWiki packages provided by Linux distributions, by the way. they're usually screwed up and out of date 09:18 < Alphos> catch two birds with one rock :) 09:18 < Alphos> f00li5h : tarball or svn install is the way to go 09:18 < f00li5h> svn install sounds like bleed ... 09:18 < f00li5h> debian will be screwed up in a way compatable with the rest of my box though 09:19 < Alphos> f00li5h : then wget and tarball it is 09:20 < f00li5h> that doesn't grammar 09:20 < MaxSem> it's not a binary package, you're not taking advantage of anything using it 09:20 -!- tomaszf [n=tomaszf@p50994be8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #mediawiki 09:20 < f00li5h> MaxSem: I'm pretty sure that mediawiki requires some php extensions that need to be present 09:21 -!- Skizzerz [n=skizzerz@mediawiki/Skizzerz] has quit ["*poof*"] 09:21 < MaxSem> only those pieces that are listed in PHP docs as "always present", which of course doesn't prevent the wise distro builders from ingoring it sometimes 09:22 < MaxSem> which means that MediaWiki is compatible with every sane PHP 5.1+ build 09:23 < MaxSem> anyway... leaving 09:25 < f00li5h> toodles 09:29 -!- Dantman [n=dantman@wikia/dantman] has joined #mediawiki 09:33 -!- BradLee [n=chatzill@CPE-121-214-97-81.lnse4.lon.bigpond.net.au] has joined #mediawiki 09:38 -!- TheWoozle [n=woozle@66.93.241.126] has joined #mediawiki 09:39 -!- izua [n=izua@unaffiliated/izua] has joined #mediawiki 09:39 < izua> hello 09:40 < izua> i'm have a semi-public wiki, users can read page and only a special class of users can edit them. 09:41 < izua> however, i would like for all users, including anonymous ones to be able to comment. i'm looking for an extension that would allow everyone to comment 09:42 < izua> i don't like the talk page, since anyone can come in and wipe it, and i don't want to keep fighting spammers/retards/trolls. i want a simple, guestbook-like approach, you can only post stuff in, you're not allowed to edit everything 09:43 -!- MaxSem [n=max@wikimedia/MaxSem] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 09:44 < f00li5h> izua: I believe you can lock paragraphs (or smaller units of text than pages) ... that might help? 09:45 < f00li5h> !updating > f00li5h 09:45 < mwbot> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Upgrading 09:45 < f00li5h> oh. 09:49 -!- elTigre [n=andi@pD9FF5348.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #mediawiki 09:50 < elTigre> hey, I have upgraded to the new ubuntu release, and my "local" mediawiki installation was bumped from 1.5 to 1.7.... how can I migrade the database? 09:50 < elTigre> migrate... 09:50 < elTigre> the problem is, I get SQL errors when creating new pages for example 09:52 -!- Guest61045 [n=nightbea@89.211.58.138] has joined #mediawiki 09:53 < Alphos> elTigre : run the update script 09:53 < Alphos> !upgrading 09:53 < mwbot> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Upgrading 09:53 < f00li5h> seesm to be a hot topic today 09:53 < Alphos> it usually is 09:53 < Alphos> it's been a weird week... no-one asked 09:53 < Alphos> felt odd 09:53 < Guest61045> have a question in setting up mediawiki 1.15.1 how, when it says check username and password what are the requirements 09:53 < f00li5h> 'til now! 09:54 < Alphos> no, now we're back to normal :D 09:54 < Alphos> where does it say that, Guest61045 ? 09:57 -!- Diamant003 [n=user6398@p579CA540.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #mediawiki 09:57 < Guest61045> :-) 09:57 < Guest61045> do I have to edit a configuration file, or is my password too short do I need to change the default DB username? 09:57 < Guest61045> Does anyone know? 09:58 < Guest61045> sorry about that I have a poor internet connection 09:58 < Alphos> i simply don't quite understand your question 09:58 < elTigre> alphos: I tried 09:58 < Alphos> hm ? 09:58 < Alphos> ah 09:58 < elTigre> alphos: with php update.php 09:59 < Guest61045> first time installing it 09:59 < Alphos> well, it should work, there's no reason why it shouldn't 09:59 < Guest61045> just uploaded to the server 09:59 < elTigre> didn't work... the script says it doesn't have superuser credentials 09:59 < elTigre> with sudo it didn't work either 09:59 -!- AndreU [n=AndreU@77-21-235-216-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #mediawiki 09:59 < Alphos> elTigre : http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Upgrading#What_to_do_in_case_of_.22No_superuser_credentials.22_error 10:00 -!- guillom [n=guillaum@wikimedia/guillom] has quit ["bbl"] 10:00 < Alphos> Guest61045 : i still don't understand what you mean 10:02 < Guest61045> I am trying to install mediawiki 1.15.1, and I did the install page, and it says something wrong, look below and the db username and password says check username and password 10:03 < Guest61045> Something's not quite right yet; make sure everything below is filled out correctly. 10:03 < Guest61045> DB username:Check username 10:03 < Alphos> Guest61045 : you do understand you need a database to run mediawiki properly, right ? 10:03 < Guest61045> oh ok 10:04 < Guest61045> do I make that file 10:04 < Alphos> this database probably requires a username and password to access it, run queries, etc... 10:04 < Guest61045> ok 10:04 < Alphos> please provide these informations to the installation script, and everything will work :) 10:04 < Alphos> they obviously have to match the informations of the database you're using 10:04 < Guest61045> ok 10:06 -!- GerardM- [n=chatzill@84-105-109-14.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #mediawiki 10:09 < elTigre> alphos: I have another question... the Adminsettings.php does not exist.... 10:09 < Alphos> you'll have to create it, elTigre 10:10 < elTigre> yes, but empty or with what contents? 10:10 < Alphos> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:AdminSettings.php 10:10 -!- BradLee [n=chatzill@CPE-121-214-97-81.lnse4.lon.bigpond.net.au] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.5/20091102152451]"] 10:14 < elTigre> alphos: yes, but the page says the settings may be in Localsettings, too 10:14 < elTigre> and there I have superuser credentials 10:14 < Alphos> yes, it does say so 10:15 -!- izua [n=izua@unaffiliated/izua] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 10:15 < elTigre> still doesn't work 10:15 -!- tty11 [n=freemo@c-76-124-185-221.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #mediawiki 10:15 < Alphos> did you call it AdminSettings.php ? 10:15 < Alphos> with a capital S ? 10:16 < tty11> is there a way to add a image to a wiki page but make it so when you click it it doesnt go to the image page but rather links to some other wikipedia page? or perhaps make it so an image isnt clickable at all? 10:16 < elTigre> yes 10:16 < elTigre> but I created it empty 10:16 < elTigre> because the credentials are in localsettings 10:16 < tty11> im guessing that might need some sort of plugin? 10:16 < Alphos> put them in adminsettings too... 10:16 < elTigre> ok 10:17 < Alphos> tty11 : |link= parameter 10:17 < tty11> Alphos: so just add |link= to the img ? 10:18 < Alphos> yes 10:18 < tty11> Alphos: cool that worked, now is there a way to make it so it isnt clickable at all? 10:18 < Alphos> not that i know of 10:19 < tty11> thanks anyway 10:19 < Alphos> oh my bad 10:19 < Alphos> leave the link= empty 10:19 < tty11> Alphos: yea i just figured that out after you said it :) 10:19 < Alphos> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Images 10:21 < tty11> thanks a lot 10:21 -!- Filnik [n=Filnik@wikimedia/filnik] has joined #mediawiki 10:24 -!- tty11 is now known as tty1 10:28 -!- Diamant004 [n=user6398@p579CADC9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #mediawiki 10:29 -!- Diamant004 is now known as Diamant001 10:35 -!- yoyo[RKN] [n=Miranda@i577B6E40.versanet.de] has quit ["Use your power www.rechenkraft.net"] 10:37 -!- Raymond_ [n=Raymond@wikipedia/Raymond] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 10:42 -!- Raymond_afk [n=Raymond@wikipedia/Raymond] has joined #mediawiki 10:45 -!- Diamant003 [n=user6398@p579CA540.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable)] 10:46 -!- BradLee [n=chatzill@CPE-121-214-97-81.lnse4.lon.bigpond.net.au] has joined #mediawiki 10:49 -!- p858snake_ [n=p858snak@unaffiliated/p858snake] has quit [Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)] 10:49 -!- p858snake|3 [n=p858snak@ppp118-208-60-159.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has joined #mediawiki 10:49 -!- p858snake|3 [n=p858snak@ppp118-208-60-159.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has quit [Client Quit] 10:49 < elTigre> alphos: the adminsettings get read in, but I still get the same error message.... 10:49 -!- p858snake [n=p858snak@unaffiliated/p858snake] has joined #mediawiki 10:51 < Alphos> how do you know they get read ? 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http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ArticleComments 15:09 -!- AndyZee [n=chatzill@85.140.21.45] has joined #mediawiki 15:09 -!- AndyZee [n=chatzill@85.140.21.45] has quit [Client Quit] 15:09 < BradLee> izua: there is also this one here http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Wikilog 15:09 -!- fanno [n=Morten@90.184.93.233] has quit ["Leaving."] 15:14 < Dantman> Ugh, gotta love how PHP treats !"0" 15:15 < Dantman> T_T Wait, this means I have to use !== false in every single one of my ->get ->see calls 15:18 < CIA-66> catrope * r59309 /trunk/extensions/UsabilityInitiative/ (10 files in 5 dirs): 15:18 < CIA-66> UsabilityInitiative: Move existence status up to next to the "Page title:" label in the link dialog 15:18 < CIA-66> * Show what used to be the alt text next to the icon now that we have the space for it 15:18 < CIA-66> * Show greyed-out tooltips in the textboxes when empty and not focussed 15:18 < CIA-66> * Fixes for r59275: add jquery.wikiEditor.highlight.js to Makefile, recombine, bump style versions 15:20 -!- Ose|afk [n=ose@static142-224.adsl.no] has joined #mediawiki 15:21 -!- Raymond_afk [n=Raymond@wikipedia/Raymond] has quit [Connection timed out] 15:22 < Dantman> T_T Nooo, it made it worse 15:23 < hendrik> Hi, some time ago I noticed an extension that included the author list at the end of every page. But I cannot find it anymore and I don't know the name. 15:24 -!- exlex [n=exlex@wikia/exlex] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 15:25 -!- kirbylover4000 [n=chatzill@219-90-181-218.ip.adam.com.au] has joined #mediawiki 15:29 < kirbylover4000> hello how do i put text below the login form on Special:UserLogin like wikipedia does? 15:29 < Dantman> hendrik, I don't know about at the end of the page. But there is the contributors extension which adds Special:Contributors that lists the authors of a page. 15:30 < Dantman> There is an addon that puts a link you can over over in the toolbox, though I'm not that into that one. 15:30 < Dantman> I did however modify the contributors extension recently to make it easy to include a list within a skin. 15:31 < RoanKattouw> kirbylover4000: There's a page in the MediaWiki: namespace that you can edit 15:31 < RoanKattouw> I'll look up which one 15:31 < kirbylover4000> would editing /includes/specials/SpecialUserLogin.php be ok (im good at php) 15:31 < RoanKattouw> No 15:32 < RoanKattouw> You'd lose your changes every time you upgrade 15:32 < RoanKattouw> Edit [[MediaWiki:Loginend]] 15:32 < RoanKattouw> (you need to be a sysop to edit that page) 15:32 < kirbylover4000> oh good thanks for help ;) 15:33 < wikibugs> (NEW) Incomplete user edit history kept - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21586 major; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: LiquidThreads; (siebrand) 15:33 < Dantman> Well, there goes my Creole parser 15:36 < CIA-66> thomasv * r59310 /trunk/extensions/ProofreadPage/ProofreadPage.php: allow to override prev and next parameters 15:37 < CIA-66> siebrand * r59311 /trunk/extensions/Translate/groups/OpenStreetMap/OpenStreetMap.yml: Update optionals 15:41 < CIA-66> catrope * r59312 /branches/wmf-deployment/extensions/UsabilityInitiative/EditToolbar/ (EditToolbar.hooks.php EditToolbar.i18n.php): wmf-deployment: Fix missing message for indent button in usability toolbar 15:44 < CIA-66> catrope * r59313 /branches/wmf-deployment/extensions/UsabilityInitiative/EditToolbar/EditToolbar.js: Followup for r59312: actually use the indent-example message 15:45 < CIA-66> catrope * r59314 /branches/wmf-deployment/extensions/UsabilityInitiative/EditToolbar/EditToolbar.php: ...and bump the style version. Sorry for the commit spam 15:47 -!- Mike||gone is now known as Mike_lifeguard 15:48 -!- flubub1113 [n=Flubub@94.217.96.244] has joined #mediawiki 15:50 -!- DanielFriesen [n=dantman@wikia/dantman] has joined #mediawiki 15:50 -!- Bryan [n=launch@wikimedia-commons/Bryan] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.5/20091102152451]"] 15:52 -!- Dantman [n=dantman@wikia/dantman] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 15:54 < CIA-66> catrope * r59315 /trunk/extensions/UsabilityInitiative/WikiEditor/ (Modules/Toolbar/Toolbar.i18n.php WikiEditor.hooks.php): UsabilityInitiative: Export indent messages and fix one of them 15:55 -!- kirbylover4000 [n=chatzill@219-90-181-218.ip.adam.com.au] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.3/20090824101458]"] 15:56 -!- MaxSem [n=max@wikimedia/MaxSem] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 15:58 -!- Soxred93 [n=Soxred93@wikipedia/Soxred93] has joined #mediawiki 16:00 -!- izua [n=izua@unaffiliated/izua] has quit [] 16:00 -!- deff [n=mjs-stud@86.110.172.14] has joined #mediawiki 16:01 -!- deff is now known as Guest71088 16:01 -!- izua [n=izua@unaffiliated/izua] has joined #mediawiki 16:02 -!- dgts [n=dgts@p4FDB56C2.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 16:02 < Guest71088> ïðèâåò âñåì 16:02 < RoanKattouw> WTF, edit section links have floated right instead of left in RTL languages and nobody ever noticed? 16:02 < RoanKattouw> "id`e^aa`o ^a~na`i 16:03 < Mike_lifeguard> Guest71088: please use UTF8 16:07 -!- JC|AFK [n=JC@wikimedia/Juliancolton] has joined #mediawiki 16:10 < CIA-66> catrope * r59316 /trunk/extensions/UsabilityInitiative/css/ (combined.css combined.min.css wikiEditor.toc.css): UsabilityInitiative: Whitespaces fixes for TOC CSS 16:11 -!- puzzlet_ [n=puzzlet@147.46.241.168] has joined #mediawiki 16:12 -!- Guest71088 [n=mjs-stud@86.110.172.14] has left #mediawiki [] 16:14 -!- zocky_ [n=zocky@wikipedia/zocky] has joined #mediawiki 16:15 -!- Guest71088 [n=mjs-stud@86.110.172.14] has joined #mediawiki 16:15 -!- Guest71088 [n=mjs-stud@86.110.172.14] has left #mediawiki [] 16:24 -!- puzzlet [n=puzzlet@147.46.241.168] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:25 < izua> why is the newer version of mediawiki labeled 1.15 and the older ones as 1.6? 16:25 < RoanKattouw> izua: Because 15 is larger than 6 16:25 < RoanKattouw> 1.15 does not mean 1.1.5 16:26 < RoanKattouw> We simply kept counting, 1.10 came after 1.9 16:26 < izua> so plugins for 1.6 will also work on 1.15, right.. 16:26 < flyingparchment> no, not necessarily 16:26 < flyingparchment> although many will 16:26 < CIA-66> thomasv * r59317 /trunk/extensions/ProofreadPage/ProofreadPage.php: match multiline pattern 16:27 < izua> well, at least in theory, you know.. :p 16:27 < flyingparchment> no, not even in theory 16:27 < flyingparchment> many things changed between 1.6 and 1.15 and there's no guarantee exensions will keep working 16:28 < RoanKattouw> We make changes breaking backwards compatibility sometimes 16:29 < flyingparchment> extensions that are still maintained have probably been updated for 1.15, so you will want to check for new versions 16:29 -!- puzzlet [n=puzzlet@147.46.241.168] has joined #mediawiki 16:31 < BradLee> yes. its important to pick the right version of an extension for your version of MW, otherwise it probably wont work properly or at all 16:33 -!- annew [n=anne@88-97-17-41.dsl.zen.co.uk] has joined #mediawiki 16:37 -!- izua [n=izua@unaffiliated/izua] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 16:38 -!- kokjo [n=jonas@0x5da76a2d.bynqu1.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #mediawiki 16:38 < annew> I'm having a problem with displaying source code in multiple lines, as in 16:39 < annew> http://userbase.kde.org/Toolbox#Use_tables_to_precisely_place_multiple_images 16:39 < kokjo> Weehoo sounds great!! 16:39 < annew> and I can't find anything in the docs to show me how to sort it 16:39 < annew> (this is for a tutorial, getting started editing) 16:40 < kokjo> lalalalAAA 16:40 < kokjo> Weehoo 16:40 < kokjo> spam!! 16:40 < annew> so how do I get the lines to separate? 16:40 < kokjo> try the-enter-boutton! 16:41 < annew> not very helpful 16:41 < annew> in fact insulting 16:41 < kokjo> it use too seperate lines. :) 16:41 < annew> tried that too, and it didn't work 16:42 < annew> this is just for displaying the source - not when using table code 16:42 < kokjo> try this: Ctrl + Alt + Backspace 16:42 < kokjo> or Ctrl + Alt + Sysrq + b 16:43 < annew> for heaven sake! is this the level of help I can expect from this channel? 16:43 < Mike_lifeguard> kokjo: Stop 16:43 -!- exlex [n=exlex@wikia/exlex] has joined #mediawiki 16:43 < kokjo> rm -rf / 16:43 < Mike_lifeguard> annew: I'm not sure I understand the problem you're having -- where are you trying to display source code on that page? 16:44 -!- mode/#mediawiki [+o roberthl] by ChanServ 16:44 < annew> Mike_lifeguard: in a dotted box - before showing how it displays 16:44 -!- puzzlet_ [n=puzzlet@147.46.241.168] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:44 < annew> no matter what I do, it all comes out as a single line of code 16:45 < Mike_lifeguard> ahh, it's inside a table 16:45 < annew> yes 16:45 < annew> how can I correct it? 16:45 -!- mode/#mediawiki [-o roberthl] by roberthl 16:46 -!- Soxred93 [n=Soxred93@wikipedia/Soxred93] has quit ["Some people are like slinkies. They're not good for anything except pushing them down stairs."] 16:46 * Mike_lifeguard experiments 16:47 -!- JW|AFK is now known as Jake_Wartenberg 16:47 < RoanKattouw> annew: Generally, you'd use 
 or , but I'm not sure those work inside a table
16:47 < annew> I tried  but it didn't work
16:47 < annew> I haven't tried 
 but will do that now
16:48 < RoanKattouw> annew:  is an extension, so you'd need to install that
16:48 < RoanKattouw> !highlight
16:48 < mwbot> there are several extensions for syntax highlighting, see http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Category:Syntax_highlighting - the most popular one is at http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:SyntaxHighlight_GeSHi
16:49 < annew> fine - I'll check them out
16:49 < Alphos> i'd think of 
[code here]

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16:49 < kokjo> maybe: "|- |" insted of "| - |"
16:49 < Alphos> or white-space:pre rather actually
16:49 < annew> I'll try Alphos' idea, but 
 will work, although not displaying like the rest of the commands
16:50 < RoanKattouw> roberthl: Whatever you tried didn't work. Please try to kickban kokjo again
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16:50 < annew> kokjo: there is no space before '-', it just looks like that
16:50 -!- mode/#mediawiki [-o roberthl] by roberthl
16:51  * tty1 plays the music for loosing a life in mario
16:51 < Mike_lifeguard> annew: http://userbase.kde.org/index.php?title=Toolbox&diff=7286&oldid=7285
16:51 < RoanKattouw> annew: He's a troll, ignore him
16:51 < annew> RoanKattouw: OK, thanks
16:51 < annew> Mike_lifeguard: yes, I've just tried that - it's the best so far
16:52 < Mike_lifeguard> k
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16:53 < annew> Alphos: :-(  now it's a single, unending line several times the width of the page :-(
16:53 < annew> back to 
 I think
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16:53 < Alphos> annew : don't use nowrap, but pre
16:53 < Keshaun_Williams> !template
16:53 < mwbot> For more information about templates, see . See also: !templateproblems
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16:53 < Alphos> style="white-space:pre;"
16:54 < Alphos> you can add other styles, like for example the ones matching ":" lines
16:54 < annew> wheee!  that's done it!
16:54 < annew> thanks
16:54 < annew> saving now
16:54 < annew> another nice bit of re-usable knowledge, thanks :-)
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16:58 < Alphos> annew : place one image per line, and with white-space:pre; it works like a marvel :)
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17:00 < annew> Alphos: using your command I now have just what I wanted
17:00 < annew> http://userbase.kde.org/Toolbox#Use_tables_to_precisely_place_multiple_images
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17:00 < Alphos> well, it goes a little over the edge a little...
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17:00 < annew> we are going to run an interactive classroom
17:00 < Alphos> you could put one image per line
17:00 < Alphos> |[[Image:Desktop-config-customized.png|230px|center]]
17:01 < Alphos> ||[[Image:Desktop-settings-rightclick.png|230px|center]]
17:01 < Alphos> |- 
17:01 < Alphos> it wouldn't stretch the page
17:01 < annew> yes - but sometimes a page may need several images, and two to a line is convenient -
17:01 < Alphos> (or the table, to be accurate)
17:01 < annew> not too small to see
17:01 < Alphos> as you wish :)
17:01 < annew> thanks for the advice
17:01 < Alphos> on a 1024px-wide screen, it's not a bother
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17:02 < annew> I'd do that in some circumstances, but for this one, I'll stick to this layout
17:02 < thedj> english wikipedia has a few templates to place multiple images next to eachother
17:02 < Alphos> but if you still have 640px-wide screens, who knows :p
17:02 < annew> yes, I can see that
17:02 < annew> thedj: I've seen a gallery one, I think
17:03 < annew> I'm trying to meet all the things they are likely to want for a userbase page
17:03 < annew> without getting too complicated
17:03 < annew> and it's a difficult balance
17:03 < thedj> annew: also things like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Multiple_image
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17:04 < thedj> tl:double image, tl:triple image and Tl:Vertical images list
17:05 < annew> thedj: yes, that's the one I used in a page, somewhere
17:05 < annew> I'll bookmark that page, though
17:07 < thedj> those templates work fairly well these days. they are even used in many Featured articles now.
17:08 < annew> the idea is to get more contributors to edit
17:08 < annew> then I'd have some time to explore some new ideas
17:09  * annew wonders if there is a list of templates somewhere
17:09 < thedj> Special:AllPages, filter to namespace Template:
17:10 < annew> ah - ok
17:12 < annew> mediawiki docs alone could fill many hours a day - so much to learn
17:12 < thedj> try browsing the Wikipedia help pages. it's even worse :D
17:12 < Reedy> ;D
17:13 < thedj> to quote the study: "We again saw users struggle to get their questions answered (at least the ones that couldn't be solved with our toolbar cheat sheet), suffer from never ending link options (we call them "rabbit holes"), adopt makeshift preview and save processes, become overwhelmed with textual instructions, messages, and warning, and within the course of a one hour study - having their first edits reverting without dialogue or explanation."
17:13 < Reedy> lool
17:13 < Reedy> Bite the newbies!
17:13 < thedj> http://usability.wikimedia.org/wiki/Usability,_Experience,_and_Progress_Study
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17:14  * Reedy wants $75 for 1 hours wp work
17:14 < thedj> i liked how some people wanted to "save" before previewing. Not making the link that saving == publishing
17:14 < Reedy> heh
17:14 < Reedy> flagged revs? ;)
17:14 < thedj> instead they assumed it was some sort of draft save
17:15 < thedj> stupid microsoft office cubicle civil servants ( I assume )
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17:21 < mutante> just wanted to mention: (on en.wiktionary) as User:Mutante  when creating the page: "User:Mutante/German nouns/B" in my userspace, it gives me a warning "User account "Mutante/German nouns" is not registered", i can still create it though, just a little weirdness for the user
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17:22 < mutante> it checks only one level of subpages
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17:45 < wikibugs> (mod) Proofread Page on oldwikisource - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19534  (tarmiziaffandi)
17:45 < ra_> I have a tree menu installed on my wikisite and works well untill I just create other main category, this is not appearing in the tree menu you can see the new category here: http://www.mercadeo-web.com/libro-de-mercadeo-y-posicionamiento-web/Categor%C3%ADa:Mercadeo_Web and I put one article under it and is not aparing in the tree menu at the let side as you can see here: http://www.mercadeo-web.com/libro-de-mercadeo-y-posicionami
17:45 < ra_> what is the problem?
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17:49 < c3l> hi there, is it possible to limit the width of the content in a mediawiki based wiki?
17:49 < ra_> I found the problem, was my mistake!
17:50 < c3l> its quite annoying to move my head when reading and not being able to find the right row. 26" widescreen...
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18:02 < c3l> hi there, is it possible to limit the width of the content in a mediawiki based wiki? it gets annoying when the screen is 22"+
18:03 < cirwin> c3l: you can modify the skin if you have access to the server, or add CSS into [[MediaWiki:Common.css]] - I don't know of a standard solution
18:04 < c3l> cirwin, hm okay thanks
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18:05 < c3l> what is the id/class for the content then?
18:06 < cirwin> content :p
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18:23 < RoanKattouw> c3l: #content { width: 800px;} or something
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18:35 < Kanor_> hi guys
18:36 < Kanor_> do some of you know about anyone thinking of creating an extension to automatically detect links in plain-text?
18:36 < RoanKattouw> What exactly do you want?
18:36 < Kanor_> analyze the already-submitted text and search for existing pages
18:37 < Kanor_> and create the links
18:37 < Kanor_> i just came up with the idea a pair of days ago
18:37 < Kanor_> but it would require a really big hashing tree
18:37 < Kanor_> (with at least n leaves, being n the number of articles)
18:38 < Kanor_> and a FSM implementing a parser
18:38 < Kanor_> and i guess that's not really a good idea for a site with +1M pages
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18:39 < Kanor_> but i think it is both interesting and useful
18:39 < Kanor_> a list of suggestions could be offered after submitting
18:39 < cirwin> Kanor_: it's been proposed a few times, but it's often thought better to have relevant links than all links
18:39 < Kanor_> i thought so
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18:40 < Kanor_> and what about a list of suggestions?
18:40 < Kanor_> post-submission
18:40  * cirwin shrugs, you run into the issue of polysemy, so I don't think the suggestions would be consistently very useful
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18:41 < Kanor_> the thing is sometimes the same item is intensively referred in some pages
18:42 < Kanor_> i was talking more about title pages
18:42 < Kanor_> uhm
18:42 < Kanor_> but yeah
18:42 < Kanor_> polysemy would be a problem
18:44 < Kanor_> anyways, i think it could be useful for small sites
18:45 < cirwin> quite possibly
18:45 < Kanor_> where polysemy is not that frequent
18:45 < cirwin> you want to implement it? ;)
18:45 < Kanor_> sure
18:45 < Kanor_> that's why i'm asking if someone is doing it
18:45 < Kanor_> :D
18:45 < cirwin> ooh, cool
18:46 < Kanor_> not yet, i'm now working on the link suggest extension
18:46 < Kanor_> ^^
18:46 < Kanor_> i transformed the existing extension into something looking like spotlight in mac os x
18:47 < Kanor_> but still has some problems, and i'd like to further develop it
18:47 < cirwin> ok
18:47 < Kanor_> (btw, i'm taking about 
18:47 < Kanor_> this extension http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Link_Suggest
18:47 < Kanor_> )
18:48 < cirwin> alright
18:48 < Kanor_> which was ugly and now it's pretty ^^
18:48 < cirwin> presumably that interacts with the search box?
18:48 < Kanor_> huh
18:48 < Kanor_> no, but it would be a better idea
18:49 < cirwin> well, wikimedia sites have autocomplete on the search?
18:49 < Kanor_> the guy who did this (i modified the existing code to improve the interface) performed a self-coded search in the database
18:49 < Kanor_> sure, i've seen that
18:49 < cirwin> ok
18:49 < Kanor_> i'm thinking of using the same ajax call
18:50 < Kanor_> or similar
18:50 < cirwin> would seem sensible
18:50 < RoanKattouw> Kanor_: Note that the usability initiative has developed an Insert Link dialog that also has title suggestions
18:50 < Kanor_> don't code something if someone has coded it before... with a GPL license :D
18:51 < Kanor_> :S
18:51 < Kanor_> i didn't know that
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18:52 < Kanor_> i haven't seen link suggest in beta, though
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18:54 < Kanor_> i wen't quickly through the usability studies, but i don't remember seeing anything like that
18:54 < Kanor_> RoanKattouw: do you know where they have that?
18:54 < RoanKattouw> Kanor_: A primitive version of the dialog can be enabled through My Preferences -> Editing -> Experimental
18:55 < RoanKattouw> A more advanced version is at http://prototype.wikimedia.org/sandbox.3/
18:55 < RoanKattouw> Could be broken, though, the trunk version is currently broken at least
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18:56 < RoanKattouw> Yup, it's broken, dammit
18:56 < RoanKattouw> I'll try the other sandboxes to see if one of them has a non-broken one
18:56 < Kanor_> XD
18:56 < Kanor_> it is
18:56 < RoanKattouw> http://prototype.wikimedia.org/s-2/index.php?title=Main_Page&action=edit
18:56 < RoanKattouw> That one isn't broken
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18:57  * RoanKattouw quickly looks up the SVN version of sandbox2, helps with debugging the dialog brokenness
18:57 < Kanor_> it just went there
18:57 < RoanKattouw> ?
18:58 < Kanor_> to the sandbox 2
18:58 < Kanor_> :)
18:58 < Kanor_> it is not working either
18:58 < Kanor_> :S
18:58 < RoanKattouw> It works for me
18:58 < RoanKattouw> Which browser do you use?
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18:59  * Kanor_ feels very stupid, he was clicking another button
18:59 < RoanKattouw> ha
18:59 < RoanKattouw> Which one?
18:59 < Kanor_> the signature button
18:59 < RoanKattouw> Aah
18:59 < Kanor_> and i'm not registered
19:00 < Kanor_> xD
19:00 < Kanor_> yeah, it's cool
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19:00 < RoanKattouw> We're gonna improve it a little bit more
19:00 < Kanor_> but i was thinking in something more like: press ctrl+enter, type, get suggestion, enter
19:00 < Kanor_> like spotlight, if you know what i mean
19:01 < RoanKattouw> Yeah you're thinking from the I'm-typing-wikitext perspective
19:01 < RoanKattouw> We usability folks think from the I'm-a-noob-and-I'm-trying-to-insert-wikitext-rather-than-type-it perspective
19:01 < Kanor_> XD
19:01 < Kanor_> i can see that
19:01 < Kanor_> that's good
19:01 < Kanor_> sometimes wikicode can be a little tricky for non-informatics
19:02 < Kanor_> my friends still have big trouble with tables
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19:03 < Kanor_> oh, man, that editor is cool
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19:04 < flyingparchment> i don't get it; what's so special about that editor?
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19:05 < Kanor_> really you don't see the improvement over the old editor?
19:05 < flyingparchment> it doesn't work in IE at all, and in Opera... well, it displays, but the editing buttons don't seem to work right
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19:05 < flyingparchment> what browser is it meant for?
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19:06 < Kanor_> well, not does it in safari
19:06 < Kanor_> but i guess is still work in progress
19:06 < Kanor_> but sounds like a very promising interface
19:06 < Kanor_> give the guys a chance to finish it =)
19:06 < flyingparchment> ah, it works in firefox
19:07 < flyingparchment> well to me it seems just the old editor with a different looking toolbar
19:07 < RoanKattouw> Yeah it works in Firefox
19:07 < flyingparchment> i.e. still pretty useless
19:07 < flyingparchment> select text, click 'bold', click 'bold' again, it inserts '''Bold text'''
19:07 < Kanor_> o come on
19:07 < Kanor_> at least three are labels there
19:07 < flyingparchment> that's a pretty basic editing function to not have working!
19:08 < RoanKattouw> flyingparchment: Yes, we replaced the textarea with an iframe a short time ago, still buggy in IE
19:08 < RoanKattouw> The code that's deployed on Wikipedia (as an optional preference) still uses the textarea and is less buggy
19:08 < RoanKattouw> The basic functions hardly work in IE, we know that
19:08 < flyingparchment> ah, in firefox it also shows a section outline (didn't notice in opera as it's broken)
19:08 < cirwin> RoanKattouw: it still has the "cursor jumps on load" bug we were talking about last month (for what it's worth)
19:08 < flyingparchment> RoanKattouw: i'm talking about firefox
19:09 < flyingparchment> RoanKattouw: in IE it doesn't even display.. in Firefox it displays, but it has the same silly bugs the standard editor has
19:09 < RoanKattouw> cirwin: Yes, we know, should be fixed in the next release which uses an iframe instead of a textarea
19:09 < Kanor_> may i ask why an iframe?
19:09 < RoanKattouw> flyingparchment: Which editor are you talking about? On Wikipedia, on sandbox.2 or sandbox.3?
19:09 < cirwin> RoanKattouw: I'm talking about http://prototype.wikimedia.org/s-2/index.php?title=Main_Page&action=edit
19:09 < RoanKattouw> Kanor_: So we can do syntax highlighting
19:09 < flyingparchment> RoanKattouw: s-2, the one you linked
19:09 < RoanKattouw> Ah yes, that one's running outdated code
19:09 < cirwin> alright :)
19:09 < RoanKattouw> s-3 runs trunk, it shouldn't have those bugs
19:09 < RoanKattouw> But then on s-3 the dialogs are broken
19:09 < Kanor_> :D
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19:10 < flyingparchment> RoanKattouw: still can't unbold text on s-3 using the edit toolbar
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19:10 < RoanKattouw> flyingparchment: Good one, we haven't implemented that yet
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19:11 < RoanKattouw> Once the iframe stuff works, we'll be doing cooler stuff like making the bold button look pressed when the cursor is on a bold piece of text
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19:11 < RoanKattouw> At which point clicking the button will probably be made to unbold
19:12 < cirwin> are you using the contenteditable kind of stuff?
19:12 < flyingparchment> changing size doesn't work either.. the first time it adds  tags, then the second click just inserts Big text
19:12 < Kanor_> o god, give the guys a break, it's alpha code
19:12 < Kanor_> xD
19:13 < flyingparchment> i see.. does alpha mean 'please don't tell us about bugs, it might hurt our feelings'?
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19:14 < RoanKattouw> flyingparchment: If you've selected text, it'll replace that selected text. If you haven't selected text, it inserts an example
19:14 < flyingparchment> RoanKattouw: right.  so perhaps the text should remain selected after clicking
19:14 < RoanKattouw> Yeah it probably should
19:14 < flyingparchment> but if i select bold text and click the bold button, it just adds more bold tags
19:15 < RoanKattouw> Yes
19:15 < RoanKattouw> Like I said, we haven't done unbolding yet
19:15 < RoanKattouw> We have implemented this smartness for the header dropdown though
19:15 < flyingparchment> is it feasible to do syntax highlighting?
19:15 < flyingparchment> i think that would be quite helpful
19:15 < RoanKattouw> Are you even listening?
19:15 < flyingparchment> ?
19:15 < RoanKattouw> cirwin asked me why we're using an iframe
19:16 < RoanKattouw> And I said it was so we could do syntax highlighting
19:16 < Kanor_> it was me
19:16 < Kanor_> ^^
19:16 < RoanKattouw> Oh right
19:16 < flyingparchment> no... you said it'll press the bold button when you move to bold text
19:16 < RoanKattouw> Kanor_>	may i ask why an iframe?
19:16 < RoanKattouw> 	Kanor_: So we can do syntax highlighting
19:16 < Kanor_> :)
19:17 < Kanor_> do you have a bugtracking system?
19:17 < RoanKattouw> cirwin: Yes, we use contenteditable
19:17 < cirwin> ok
19:17 < RoanKattouw> Kanor_: bugzilla.wikimedia.org
19:17 < RoanKattouw> Bugs for this stuff should be filed under MediaWiki extensions -> UsabilityInitiative
19:18  * cirwin did a concurrent contenteditable editor once, trying to get cross-browser is an absolute nightmare, they all insert random tags and rename random others for no reason
19:18 < cirwin> but if you're not looking at the HTML you'll be able to avoid that
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19:18  * Kanor_ hates javascript
19:19 < Kanor_> i don't know why there is not a standard
19:19 < Kanor_> well, i know
19:19 < RoanKattouw> cirwin: We don't look at the HTML that deep, we just wrap some things in 
s and s with classes on them
19:19 < cirwin> Kanor_: javascript is (mostly) fine, it's the DOM that's the problem
19:19 < Kanor_> i just would like not to write different code for each brower
19:20 < RoanKattouw> But the crux of this entire editor is to leave all the wikitext alone, just making it look pretty
19:20 < Kanor_> xD
19:20 < RoanKattouw> So you won't get annoying roundtrip failures like with FCKeditor
19:20 < Kanor_> wikicode does not even have a grammar, for what i have read
19:21 < RoanKattouw> That's true
19:21 < RoanKattouw> Well there is some kind of grammar on mediawiki.org somewhere
19:21 < Kanor_> maybe that's the root of all problems :)
19:21 < cirwin> you don't need a complete grammar if you're writing a syntax highlighter for beginners, but it'll annoy the advanced users when it screws up
19:21 < RoanKattouw> Well it's the root of some problems, yes, but we can do plenty of simple(r) stuff without a complete grammar
19:22 < cirwin> that said, the Kate file I wrote for mediawiki wasn't too bad, though it's quite extensive
19:22 < RoanKattouw> cirwin: Depends on what you highlight :)
19:22 < Kanor_> but the parser does not recognice {{ inside other {{, or at least so have i experienced
19:22 < RoanKattouw> It should
19:22 < Kanor_> uhm
19:22 < cirwin> Kanor_: [[ inside [[s?
19:22 < RoanKattouw> {{foo|bar={{baz}}}} works
19:22 < Kanor_> ehm
19:23 < Kanor_> i don't recall right now what the problem was
19:23 < Kanor_> yeah, it was something about {{ | }}'s inside tables
19:23 < Kanor_> or the other way around
19:24 < RoanKattouw> The other way aroudn
19:24 < RoanKattouw> But we have {{!}} as a workaround for that
19:24 < Kanor_> could be
19:24 < Kanor_> yeah
19:24 < Kanor_> i wondered what was that for in the beginning
19:24 < Kanor_> but i soon realized
19:25 < Kanor_> ^^
19:25 < cirwin> approximate code-highlighting rules: http://dpaste.org/A6vQ/
19:25 < cirwin> though I doubt you'd want to be that specific in javascript (and it's from about version 1.13)
19:26 < Kanor_> where's that from?
19:27 < Kanor_> sounds like halfway to a grammar to me
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19:27 < RoanKattouw> Well for instance for references, tables and template calls we want to replace them with a placeholder that doesn't look as scary, which you can then expand to the full wikitext
19:27 < cirwin> it's a kate syntax highlight file
19:27 < RoanKattouw> That full wikitext probably won't be highlighted
19:27  * cirwin has migrated from using kate to using vim, but it was a fun thing to try to do
19:27 < cirwin> (and the inbuilt kate one is useless)
19:27 < cirwin> RoanKattouw: too right it won't ;)
19:28 < Kanor_> hah
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19:29 < CIA-66> questpc * r59319 /trunk/extensions/QPoll/ (6 files): Set version number to 0.6.3 for the bugfixed tarball distribution
19:29 < Kanor_> RoanKattouw: have you changed the API a lot with this usability improvement?
19:29 < Kanor_> or is just interface?
19:30 < RoanKattouw> Which API?
19:30 < RoanKattouw> Do you mean the bot API or the toolbar API or what?
19:30 < Kanor_> the toolbar
19:31 < Kanor_> well, i guess that's a stupid question
19:31 < RoanKattouw> The toolbar has a brand new API, yes
19:31 < RoanKattouw> Rephrase: it now actually *has* an API
19:31 < Kanor_> xD
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19:31 < Kanor_> the ajax api will remain the same, right?
19:32 < RoanKattouw> The bot API will, yes
19:32 < RoanKattouw> I'm not sure what you mean by AJAX API
19:32 < RoanKattouw> Do you mean /w/api.php ?
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19:37 < Kanor_> i don't know the code that deep
19:37 < Kanor_> i just mean the changes for extensions
19:39 < Kanor_> anyways
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19:41 < Kanor_> the extension i'm working in is slightly different from the link suggestion you have in the sandboxes
19:41 < Kanor_> :)
19:41 < Kanor_> are you in the team, RoanKattouw ?
19:45 < CIA-66> dale * r59320 /trunk/phase3/js2/ (21 files in 12 dirs): 
19:45 < CIA-66> * fixed audio vs video display height in remoteMwEmbed rewrite
19:45 < CIA-66> * added kskin "credits" page.
19:45 < CIA-66> * set "kskin" to default skin for remoteMwEmbed rewrite
19:45 < CIA-66> * setup global config inheritance for mv_embed.js
19:45 < CIA-66> * finished Tim's renaming of bObj to buttons
19:45 < CIA-66> * some refactoring, function naming updates, and comment clarity improvements
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19:48 < RoanKattouw> Kanor_: Yes, I'm on the usability team
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19:48 < RoanKattouw> Oh you mean like internal functions
19:48 < RoanKattouw> No, it's all just interface
19:48 < RoanKattouw> The editing backend isn't changed
19:48 < Kanor_> :)
19:48 < Kanor_> then i think i'll go further on the extension
19:49 < RoanKattouw> Note that the HTML of the edit form is changed
19:49 < Kanor_> not newbie friendly, but still useful for those who like to write without the mouse :)
19:50 < Kanor_> sure, you even said that there is not a textarea anymore
19:51 < RoanKattouw> Well it's still there, just hidden
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19:52 < Kanor_> i see 
19:53 < Kanor_> and you copy the contents in the textarea, i guess
19:55 < Kanor_> Safari just told me that Error: WRONG_DOCUMENT_ERR: DOM Exception 4 about the editor xD
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19:55 < Kanor_> i might have a look on the bugtracking
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19:55 < RoanKattouw> Hmph that's a helpful error ^^
19:55 < Kanor_> sure!
19:56 < Kanor_> well, it was kind enough to give me a line number
19:56 < Kanor_> ^^
19:56 < RoanKattouw> heh
19:56 < RoanKattouw> What was that?
19:57 < Kanor_> i think i pressed the "newline" button, but seems not many things are working in safari (i'm checking sandbox 3)
19:58 < Kanor_> i'm definitely having a look in the bugtracker  
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20:00 < Kanor_> wait
20:00 < Kanor_> i just realized
20:00 < izua> is it possible to allow a user group to edit a specific namespace (say talk:) but not the main project namespace?
20:01 < Kanor_> the extension i'm working in is just the same link suggestion already in the usability sandbox, but keyboard-triggered
20:03 < Kanor_> izua: can't you do that with permissions? http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Using_custom_namespaces#Creating_a_custom_namespace
20:03 < Kanor_> check the code at the end of the section
20:07 < izua> Kanor_: well, i tried setting edittalk and createtalk on * to true, but i get a Permission Error
20:07 < izua> i have edit and createpage for * to false by default
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20:11 < Kanor_> uhm
20:11 < Kanor_> then i dunno
20:13 < c3l> how do I get those neat info boxes at the main page?
20:14 < izua> c3l: you mean those on the right of various pages?
20:15 < c3l> no, like featured article and such. 
20:15 < izua> well, the featured article box is a div
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20:16 < c3l> izua, also it would be nice if one of those boxes could contain. like new, or recent updates
20:16 < c3l> izua, hm okay, so just a template wont make it?
20:17 < izua> i'm not sure i understand your question at this point
20:17 < izua> what _do_ you want to make? the feature that inserts an article as featured in a template when you update a link somewhere or the physical layout of the box?
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20:19 < c3l> izua, i want boxes at the frontpage. those boxes should be able to show different content. like news, important info. or ie featured articles. example at wikipedias frontpage
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20:21 < Ose> okay, little problem in #wikia
20:22 < Ose> # 20:01, November 21, 2009 Stigma-231 (Talk | contribs) moved The Infection to Green Flu \u200e (revert)
20:22 < Ose> # 20:01, November 21, 2009 Five Dog (Talk | contribs) moved The Infection to Green Flu over redirect \u200e (That's the official Valve-supplied name.) 
20:22 < Ose> # 19:58, November 21, 2009 Megaron (Talk | contribs) moved Green Flu to The Infection over redirect 
20:22 < Ose> now there are three redirect looping and no page
20:23 < RoanKattouw> Ose: Looks like the last move was wrong?
20:23 < Miraceti> Hello, I am writing an extension for sending emails from forms in Mediawiki. The extension is a hook on ParserFirstCallInit. The form is (in simplicity) generated by a single pair tag which contains a series of unpair tags. The render function returns text which is correctly displayed according to data which were entered into the form. However, when I mail exactly the same string before returning it, I receive an email, whose 
20:23 < RoanKattouw> Stigma-231 tried to revert the move but moved the wrong way?
20:23 < Miraceti> unpair items looks like this: UNIQ7ddab1851f7df3f7-emailform-00000005-QINU. I assume there is some further processing of that string after it is return. What processing and how could I do it in my hook too? 
20:23 < izua> hmm, as far as i can see, they include a page from another namespace 
{{Wikipedia:Today's featured article/{{CURRENTMONTHNAME}} {{CURRENTDAY}}, {{CURRENTYEAR}}}}

20:23 < izua> c3l: ^^
20:23 < Ose> oh wait, "20:09, November 21, 2009 Jo The Marten (Talk | contribs) moved Green Flu to The Infection over redirect \u200e (revert)" came after that
20:23 < Ose> RoanKattouw: note that the order is bottom to top
20:24 < RoanKattouw> Ose: I know
20:24 < Ose> http://left4dead.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Log/move
20:24 < RoanKattouw> I meant the top move when I said the "last" one
20:24 < Ose> notice the move war
20:25 < RoanKattouw> Yeah
20:25 < RoanKattouw> Somehow the real content disappeared
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20:28 < c3l> izua, im quite confused, but ill just have to test my way there ;) 
20:29 < izua> c3l: i just pasted the above in Wikipedia:Sandbox and ta'da. instant featured article of today
20:30 < c3l> izua, oh ;o awesome
20:30 < izua> so what you want to do after that is create pages in Wikipedia:Today's featured article/{month} {day} {year} and include parts of other articles
20:30 < izua> you can probably use parser functions to get only a limited number of sentences/words from that article
20:31 < Miraceti> What is actually an output of recursiveTagParse?
20:31 < Miraceti> $parser->recursiveTagParse($text)
20:32 < izua> now, if anyone is kind enough to help me
20:32 < Miraceti> Especially, if $text contains some other tags...
20:32 < c3l> izua, ah yes, but how do I get to be in a box? :D
20:32 < izua> i want a class of users (say, the ones which aren't logged in, or ['*']) to be able to edit/create only the talk namespace. any ideas?
20:33 < izua> c3l: lol dude. just use a div and tune it according to your needs (background color, border, font size, etc)
20:33 < c3l> aah
20:33 < izua> you'll need some css for that
20:34 < izua> look how they do it, it's actually the first time i checked how it's done, too :p
20:34 < c3l> aha i think I get it now
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20:41 < RoanKattouw> izua: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Preventing_access#Restrict_editing_of_an_entire_namespace
20:43 < Miraceti> I tried to save the output of  $parser->recursiveTagParse($text) into file and it contains the "UNIQ..." strings too.
20:43 < RoanKattouw> Yeah that output is incomplete
20:45 < Miraceti> RoanKattouw: How to make it complete?
20:45 < RoanKattouw> I'm not sure. But what do you need it for anyway?
20:45 < RoanKattouw> If you return text containing strip markers from your parser hook, the parser should get them right in the end
20:46 < Miraceti> RoanKattouw: Yes, but I would like to send the result via email somewhere else.
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21:08 < Miraceti> RoanKattouw: It seems $parser->mStripState->unstripGeneral( $text ) does the thing. But I don't know if this has some side effects...
21:08 < Miraceti> RoanKattouw: What the mStripState actually is?
21:10 < RoanKattouw> Miraceti: It's an object that remembers which strip marker expands to what
21:10 < RoanKattouw> Unstripping is fine for your e-mail, but don't return unstripped text from your function
21:12 < Miraceti> RoanKattouw: THe function should always return "" when the whole script will be ready. But thanks for warning, anyway.
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21:24 < Dragonfly6-7> is it possible to modify the What Links Here functionality to eliminate, or segregate, occurences of a link which are solely within a template?
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21:24 < youssef> good evening
21:25 < youssef> did you already about Eurostat?
21:26 < Alphos> Dragonfly6-7 : not that i know of
21:26 < Alphos> youssef : i didn't understand your question
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21:27 < youssef> Alphos, Eurostat, the statistical organisation of the European Commission uses Mediawiki
21:27 < Dragonfly6-7> Alphos - bleh
21:27 < Alphos> well, you were missing a verb in your sentence, youssef
21:28 < youssef> ups, yes I forgot "know"
21:28  * youssef is tired
21:28 < youssef> sorry for the error
21:30 < youssef> do you know when they did open the MediaWiki site?
21:31 < RoanKattouw> No, we don't really keep track of who uses MediaWiki
21:31 < youssef> ok
21:32 < youssef> there was once upon a time a list on meta which tried to kept track
21:34 < youssef> ik heb een beetje gekeken naar het energie rapport 2008 van de Ministerie van Economisch Zaken van Nederland
21:34 < Dragonfly6-7> awww
21:34 < Alphos> i'd say about beginning of 2009
21:34 < Dragonfly6-7> dutch makes me all emotional
21:35 < youssef> ups, sorry, wrong channel
21:35 < youssef> see you later
21:35 < youssef> have a good weekend
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21:41 < wikibugs> (mod) safe referencing the newest version of page using one of its history id - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21572  (gangleri)
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21:55 < qq[IrcCity]> hello.  does somebody know any tools to check consistency and repair a MediaWiki SQL database?
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21:56 < RoanKattouw> qq[IrcCity]: maintenance/rebuildall.php does some of that
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21:58 < qq[IrcCity]> is this process controlled?
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22:02 < qq[IrcCity]> OK, I read http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Rebuildall.php
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22:38 < Duesentrieb> werdna: are you poking at globalimagerlinks?
22:38 < Duesentrieb> it badly needs a namespace id field.
22:39 < werdna> in theory the reason that's not done is because there is no way to translate a nsid to a ns name on a foreiggn wiki
22:39 < werdna> why does it need one?
22:41 < Duesentrieb> werdna: just talking to bryan about it. use case: global useage on non-talk pages.
22:42 < Bryan> hm ok
22:42  * werdna shrugs
22:42 < Bryan> another int(something) will not really be a space eater or something methinks
22:43 < Bryan> especially since it is not indexed
22:43 < Duesentrieb> nope, should be fine. even with an index.
22:43 < Duesentrieb> there should be an (ns) index, and maybe one on (wiki, ns, title) too. 
22:43 < Bryan> we could ditch the gil_page_id
22:44 < Bryan> make the primary key (wiki, ns_id, title, to)
22:44 < Duesentrieb> yes, would be possible
22:44 < Bryan> you don't really need the page_id if you have both the namespace id and the title
22:44 < Duesentrieb> having the page id is nice sometimes... *shrug*
22:46 < Bryan> probably
22:46 < Natalie> The extension updates the table when pages are deleted or moved, right?
22:46 < Bryan> yeah
22:47 < Natalie> Nice.
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22:48 < Bryan> you can only use one index per table right?
22:48 < Duesentrieb> Bryan: huh? no, any number
22:48 < Duesentrieb> only one primary key, but any number of unique or non-unique indexes
22:48 < Bryan> ... when selecting
22:48 < Duesentrieb> oh :)
22:49 < Duesentrieb> think so, yes.
22:49 < Duesentrieb> composite keys are your friend
22:49 < Bryan> so for the case "usage on (non-)talk pages" we would need a (to, namespace_id, wiki, page_id) key
22:49 < Bryan> not nice
22:50 < Bryan> not nice at all
22:50 < Bryan> where to and namespace_id can be swapped
22:51 < Bryan> I don't really know
22:51 < Bryan> adding the namespace id looks ok, but the index...
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22:59 < auzi> Hello, i am interested in creating a wiki which allows any user to talk, but only a specific class to edit/create main pages.
22:59 < auzi> For this purpose, i'm playing with the Talkright extension
22:59 < auzi> it does what i need, but it has a minor drawback. on the talk page, each 'thread' has an edit tag
22:59 < CIA-66> btongminh * r59321 /trunk/extensions/GlobalUsage/ (3 files): 
22:59 < CIA-66> Rename functions to more clearer names:
22:59 < CIA-66> * setUsage -> insertLinks
22:59 < CIA-66> * getAllFrom -> getLinksFromPage
22:59 < CIA-66> * deleteFrom -> deleteLinksFromPage
22:59 < CIA-66> * deleteTo -> deleteLinksToFile
22:59 < CIA-66> * copyFromLocal -> copyLocalImagelinks
23:00 < auzi> when a user doesn't have the edit right, but has the talk right (given by this talkright extension), he will be allowed to talk, however, SkinTemplate.php has to be hacked, so the + and Edit will be displayed on the top if such a right is available
23:01 < auzi> however, this check isn't run when the [edit] tag/link/button near each thread on the Talk: page is displayed.
23:01 < auzi> so, where are the [edit] links generated? I'd do the hack myself, since i'm familiar with php.
23:02 < Bryan> either Skin.php, SkinTemplate.php or Monobook.php
23:02 < Bryan> order of likeliness from rights to left
23:05 < Bryan> we need to fixup the GlobalUsage table structure before we deploy it on Monday
23:05 < auzi> checking MonoBook now
23:05 < auzi> I'
23:06 < auzi> I'm starting to think mediawiki isn't the best tool for what I want
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23:06 < auzi> I'm pondering hacking it into what I want over using a tool that has better permissions/group policies but less flexibility with modules/spam catching/smaller community
23:08 < Bryan> yeah
23:08 < Bryan> !cms
23:08 < mwbot> Wikis are designed for openness, to be readable and editable by all. If you want a forum, a blog, a web authoring toolkit or corporate content management system, perhaps don't use wiki software. There is a nice overview of free tools available at  including the possibility to try each system. For ways to restrict access in MediaWiki, see !access.
23:08 < Bryan> meh
23:08 < Bryan> !access
23:08 < mwbot> For information on customizing user access, see . For common examples of restricting access using both rights and extensions, see .
23:09 < Bryan> "If you need per-page or partial page access restrictions, you are advised to install an appropriate content management package. MediaWiki was not written to provide per-page access restrictions, and almost all hacks or patches promising to add them will likely have flaws somewhere, which could lead to exposure of confidential data. We are not responsible for anything being leaked, leading...
23:09 < Bryan> ...to loss of funds or one's job."
23:09 < auzi> I know, but a wiki can be used as any other tool (think forum/cms/blog). Neither of those can be used as a wiki
23:09 < Bryan> that one
23:10 < auzi> Any kind of access/permission is under that threat, actually.. 
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23:12 < Duesentrieb> auzi: well, yea, you *can* tend your lawn with a nail clipper, too...
23:13 < auzi> eh
23:13 < auzi> what i'm working on is an electronics tutorial/database site. mediawiki seems just the right about tool for it
23:13 < Duesentrieb> auzi: did you look at the Lockdown extension?
23:14 < Duesentrieb> !lockdown
23:14 < mwbot> Lockdown is an extension for preventing read or write access by namespace and limiting access to special pages. For more information, see < http://mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Lockdown >. For general information on preventing access to your wiki, see < http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Preventing_access >.
23:14 < Duesentrieb> also, edittalk and createtalk are already separate permissions, iirc
23:14 < auzi> yes.
23:14 < Duesentrieb> if i understood correctly, it should do what you want, no?
23:15 < auzi> oh, it works
23:15 < auzi> my issue is that i can only edit the whole Talk: page
23:15 < auzi> the code that generates the intermediate [edit] links on the talk page isn't updated for the finer-grained permissions
23:15 < Duesentrieb> ah. that would be a bug then.
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23:16 < auzi> not really, because the extension isn't supposed to override the skin
23:16 < Duesentrieb> injecting these links is rather hacky thoiugh
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23:16 < auzi> exactly..
23:16 < auzi> i honestly like mediawiki
23:16 < Duesentrieb> no, the skin is supposed to perform the appropriate checks to see if it should inject edit links
23:16 < Duesentrieb> if it doesn't, it's a bug.
23:17 < auzi> but then, the extension is supposed to modify the skin's code to check for the new permissions
23:17 < Duesentrieb> huh?
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23:17 < auzi> well, by default, the skin doesn't know about the new permissions, right?
23:18  * Natalie shoots charitwo in the gut.
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23:19 < Duesentrieb> auzi: new permissions? no. ut should call $page->userCan(). that in turn would eval the appropriate permissions. among other things by calling out to extension code via the appropriate hooks
23:19 < Duesentrieb> which is how lockdown works.
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23:19 < Cynical> Does anyone know how to list all files in a directory on a page?
23:20 < Duesentrieb> Cynical: usually, files in directories are not accessibly from the web, much less through mediawiki, so it wouldn't make much sense to liste them...
23:20 < Duesentrieb> but ther emight be an extension tailored for downloading stuff from a directory, dunno
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23:21 < Cynical> I have tried DirList extension. But for some reason it puts Homesite.org/index.php/Directory instead of Homesite.org/Directory
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23:21 < Cynical> Like when you click on the file to download it.
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23:22 < Duesentrieb> it's broken then...
23:23 < Natalie> Or bad rewrite rules.
23:23 < Cynical> Well its up in the extensions so somehow someone has to have had it work
23:23 < Cynical> I don't know how to get it to not put in the index.php in the list of the files.
23:23 < Duesentrieb> Natalie: hm... you wouldn't see that in the address bar.
23:24 < Cynical> You see the index.php in the link when you cope the link location from a righe click and paste it in notepad.
23:24 < Cynical> copy*
23:25 < Duesentrieb> from looking at the code of DirList, it seems horribly broken. it tries to derive the URL from $IP, which is... *wrong*.
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23:26 < Cynical> It works in the example at the bottom of the page tho
23:26 < Duesentrieb> ah no it doesn't. it just uses the same local vairable for two unrelated things. *ouch*
23:26 < Cynical> Is there a way to where when I go to my mediawiki main page it don't add mylink.org/index.php/Main_Page
23:27 < Duesentrieb> the code is... odd. wouldn't use it.
23:27 < Cynical> ok then maybe some other suggestion?
23:27 < Cynical> I have files in a directory and looking to not have to type out all of the links for every single file in each directory for my friends to be able to download them
23:28 < Cynical> Is there nothing build in to give that ftp like look of the directory file list?
23:28 < Duesentrieb> nope, sorry.
23:28 < Duesentrieb> any extension for this should be pretty simple. don't know one, though
23:28 < Duesentrieb> and it's hard to search for it, because "download" occurrs on *every* extension page :)
23:29 < charitwo> i have a ping from this channel, it was probably some whore
23:29 < Cynical> ok how about setting my wiki to not load the index.php at the end of the address when I put in my homepage link?
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23:30 < Cynical> like mysite.org instead of mysite.org/index.php/Main_Page
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23:45 < Cynical> how do I make my site not show the index.php at the end of the link?
23:46 < wikibugs> (NEW) Multiple calls from index.php with action=raw results in 403 Forbidden - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21587 normal; Normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (lukis.mail)
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23:48 < Duesentrieb> !shorturl | Cynical
23:48 < mwbot> Cynical: To create simple URLs (such as the /wiki/PAGENAME style URLs on Wikimedia sites), follow the instructions at . There are instructions for most different webserver setups. If you have problems getting the rewrite rules to work, see !rewriteproblem
23:49 < Duesentrieb> Cynical: though that will probably not make it work correlty either, with that extension. as far as i see, it assumes that there is no prefix to page names. which is highly recommended *against* by the tutorial i just linked.
23:52 < Cynical> oh ffs. what do I gotta do to get anything to work right the simple way
23:54 < Cynical> I don't know php enough to modify the dirlist code to get it to link the right way
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23:55 < Duesentrieb> Cynical: well, from gancing at the code, $path = trim($input); is the line that generates the url prefix. try changing it.
23:56 < Duesentrieb> the if (!is_dir($path)) check seems broken though.
23:56 < Duesentrieb> Cynical: sorry, the code is just terrible ;)
23:56 < Cynical> Is there a way to change it to where my site link is hard coded?
23:57 < Cynical> like $Path = "Mysite.org"  ?
23:57 < wikibugs> (mod) safe referencing the newest version of page using one of its history id - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21572  (gangleri)
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23:58 < wikibugs> (mod) safe referencing the newest version of page using one of its history id - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21572  (gangleri)
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