--- Log opened Wed Nov 25 00:00:10 2009
--- Day changed Wed Nov 25 2009
00:00 < werdna> Amgine: the buldSQL thing should use our DB abstraction methods
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00:00 < werdna> I'd really like to not have to review that all for SQL injection
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00:01 < autojack> I'm trying to create a numbered list that starts at a specific value. according to http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:List I can just do: #<li value="10">  But when I do this, I end up with: 1. 10.  ...with a line break in between. is there some other easy way or do I just need to use an HTML syntax ordered list?
00:02 < Platonides> try start instead of value
00:02 < Platonides> and remove the #
00:02 < werdna> httpHeaders() looks a bit weird, I'm not sure why you haven't been able to use OutputPage for that
00:03 < autojack> Platonides: that just gives me a bullet instead of a number
00:03 < werdna> feedSMItem::xmlEncode looks like it should be using something MediaWiki-wide for its work
00:03 < Platonides> autojack, place a <ol> at the beginning
00:03 < werdna> feedSMItem::formatTime also looks like it's reinventing the wheel
00:03 < RowCol> if I define: $wgGroupPermissions['*'    ]['edit']  = true;
00:03 < RowCol> and
00:03 < RowCol> $wgGroupPermissions['user']['edit']  = true;
00:04 < autojack> Platonides: yeah that's what I was getting at. I didn't want to use the <ol> syntax.
00:04 < RowCol> ouff I want to say:
00:04 < Platonides> I'm afraid there's no other way
00:04 < RowCol> $wgGroupPermissions['*']['edit']  = false;
00:04 < RowCol> $wgGroupPermissions['user']['edit']  = true;
00:04 < Platonides> there would be nice to be able to set <ol> and then do #s
00:04 < RowCol> the user groupe will be allowed to edit pages or not ?
00:04 < buzz_> according to that wiki page what he did witht he list should work. i guess it got broken with some parser changes ?
00:04 < autojack> buzz_: yeah that's what's disappointing.
00:05 < Platonides> you set it to true, then to false?
00:05 < Platonides> the last one wins
00:05 < RowCol> Platonides it not the same groupe
00:05 < buzz_> it does say The HTML <li value="..."> syntax may be combined with the wikicode # markup, as follows:
00:05 < Platonides> but if the user is in any group which allows him to edit, he will be able to
00:05 < buzz_> so something got broke
00:05 < werdna> Amgine: look at wfTimestamp() for converting timestamps between formats
00:05 < RowCol> how to allow users to edit and don't allow anonyms to edit ?
00:06 < RowCol> Platonides
00:06 < buzz_> autojack, its worth opening a bug about that. it half works, so it looks like it has got broken at some point
00:06 < Platonides> mmh... works on metawiki
00:06 < autojack> yeah. too bad, it's annoying to have to switch to HTML syntax in the middle of my list.
00:06 < Platonides> could be a trick of tidy
00:06 < Amgine> I think I found that late in the development; yes werdna.
00:06 < autojack> we might have some stale version of MW here.
00:07 < Platonides> RowCol,  $wgGroupPermissions['*']['edit']  = false;  $wgGroupPermissions['user']['edit']  = true;
00:07 < RowCol> ok
00:07 < RowCol> thanks
00:07 < buzz_> autojack, the same problem is on my svn version that is only a week or two old
00:07 < autojack> ah, OK.
00:07 < Platonides> there's also a page at mediawiki.org explaining that
00:07 < Platonides> you may want to take a look
00:07 < autojack> I don't know how to see what version we're using.
00:07 < buzz_> Special:Version
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00:08 < autojack> buzz_: 1.15.1
00:09 < autojack> ah, that's latest.
00:09 < buzz_> opena  bug on bugzilla.wikimedia.org
00:09 < autojack> OK.
00:09 < buzz_> its latest but quite old as they havnt done a release for 6 months
00:09 < werdna> Amgine: note also wfTimestampNow() instead of date( DATE_ATOM )
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00:10 < werdna> (true === $this->params['nameSpace'] ) ? $title->getPrefixedText() : $title->getText();
00:10 < werdna> what's that supposed to do?
00:10 < Amgine> Question on that: which would be faster, as they return the same thing?
00:11 < Amgine> If true, getPrefixedText() else getText();
00:11 < ailmanki> about Special:Statistics, I have no cleared errors caused by skin.. but I still get no error refering to Statistics
00:12 < ailmanki> now* cleared
00:12 < werdna> Amgine: why would the namespace be true?
00:12 < Amgine> It shouldn't be. It should be ==, not ===
00:12 < Amgine> (I think, if I'm at the right spot)
00:13 < werdna> why the conditional at all?
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00:13 < werdna> getPrefixedText() will return the right thing
00:14 < Amgine> Oh, no... it *is* supposed to be true.
00:14 < Amgine> It's checking if the query is supposed to be limited to a single namespace.
00:16 < wikibugs> (FIXED) Close down "wikipedia" SourceForge Project, or at least, remove old releases - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21628  +comment (tstarling)
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00:19 < Bensin> If a user has problems visiting Wikipedia and instead of the browser rendering the page, it offers the user a file to download... It is obviously a settings-problem in the users browser. Has anyone encountered this or know how to fix it?
00:20 < Bensin> obviously -> apparently :-)
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00:21 < werdna> Amgine: the === is a bit odd
00:21 < werdna> doesn't make sense
00:22 < Amgine> It requires that params['nameSpace'] be boolean, and true, for the statement to resolve true.
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00:22 < werdna> the yes
00:22 < werdna> yes*
00:22 < werdna> I assumed that namespace was a namespace
00:22 < werdna> nitpick: weird capitalisation
00:22 < werdna> in general the formatting is quite uneven, but that's not too big an issue
00:23 < Amgine> Yah, I suck at clean code.
00:23 < werdna> you can run stylize.php against it and it will all fix up
00:24 < werdna> I think it's quite generic right now, it may probably make sense to try and narrow down the code to just what you are intending to use it for
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00:25 < Amgine> <chuckles> Provide Sitemap/Atom/RSS feeds based on article category membership....
00:25 < Amgine> I think it's about as specific as it can be with such a broad spec.
00:26 < Amgine> There's a few things I've got on the todo list, like category mask/maps for sitemap, but those are tweaks/creaturism.
00:26 < werdna> to be fair, I haven't even looked at dpl_* methods
00:26 < werdna> because basically I think they should be rewritten
00:26 < ailmanki> I tested now with inserting a syntax error into index.php and that error shows up in apache log.. but blank page in browser.. seems php.ini forces something
00:26 < werdna> and probably parameterised, too
00:26 < Amgine> They *should* be. 
00:26 < werdna> at the moment it's a little freaky, because most of the way you're transmitting data between methods is by setting member variables
00:27 < werdna> which makes it difficult to review
00:27 < Amgine> <whispers "duct-tape">
00:28 < Amgine> It's crap. But it works for now.
00:28 < Amgine> And it's less evil than the css hack they're using now.
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00:30 < werdna> I can't really review code unless it's readable, though :)
00:30 < werdna> It's not about using what's sexy, it's about making the code easy to understand
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00:32 < Amgine> <nod> The problem is getting enough feed back, in a timely fashion, to get it "reviewable". This has become enough of a hurdle that I'm not willing to make the effort.
00:32 < werdna> I understand what you mean
00:33  * cirwin three :)
00:33 < werdna> if I were to review it fully in its current state, it would probably take longer than doing all of the refactoring myself
00:34 < Amgine> Yes. But This is code that was submitted a month ago, and dozens of hours from more than 5 people went in to getting "if I were to review it fully in its current state, it would probably take longer than doing all of the refactoring myself"
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00:35 < Amgine> So, I would suggest refactoring it, or tossing it on the rubbish heap.
00:35 < werdna> for what it's worth, if you find a working area that I can view, and bug me to review it, I can try to take a decent look at it when changes are made
00:35 < cirwin> Amgine: count yourself lucky, I've had something waiting for progress for 3 months! (though werdna did semi-review it already)
00:36 < werdna> "Do the work yourself or forget it" isn't really encouraging.
00:36 < werdna> I understand the situation you're in, and I can understand if you don't feel like putting effort in if there's no guarantee that it will be useful
00:36 < Amgine> But that's what the devs have said: do the work to solve your own problems and we'll review it.
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00:38 < CIA-66> adam * r59409 /trunk/extensions/UsabilityInitiative/ (4 files in 3 dirs): Bringing back the state saving and ellipsis triggering to the TOC and fixing a few code style faux pas along the way
00:39 < Amgine> I'm saying I did the work, I tried to get feedback, and other things have come up in the weeks since and I'm too angry to go back and clean up code to wait another month or longer to have someone say it still isn't clean the way they want it.
00:39 < werdna> yes, there's a lack of talented and experienced developers for MediaWiki with spare time
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00:39 < Amgine> No there isn't. We're here.
00:40 < werdna> well, ones who can review patches.
00:41 < Amgine> Yes, on that we'll agree.
00:42 < Reedy> Well, anyone could review patches ;)
00:42 < Reedy> Doing it well/properly.... :P
00:42 < werdna> I assumed you weren't including yourself, based on this 23:36 < Amgine> But that's what the devs have said: do the work to solve your own problems and we'll review it.
00:42  * buzz_ has unreviewed patches on the bugtracker too
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00:43 < Reedy> Would i get shot if i stylized all the api php files?
00:43 < [bjoern]> article history atom/rss feeds: is there some parameter so you get more than the ten most recent changes?
00:43 < werdna> it depends on how many people have conflicting working copy changes
00:44 < [bjoern]> I tried "limit" but that has no effect
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00:44 < buzz_> i believe the team has replaced shooting with being burnt at the stake
00:44 < werdna> Amgine: If it's any consolation, we have a backlog of about three months' of unreviewed changes that *have* been committed
00:44 < Amgine> Anyhoo werdna; I'm frustrated, not your fault, and I really do appreciate the time.
00:44 < werdna> it's not just you who is experiencing a lack of code review
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00:47 < wikibugs> (NEW) Unable to assign starting value to numbered list - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21631 normal; Normal; MediaWiki: Page rendering; (omehegan)
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00:48 < Reedy> https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=runnamed&namedcmd=patch/needs-review - 204
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00:53 < Amgine> eh reedy?
00:53 < p858snake> its a private search
00:53 < p858snake> that hes saved
00:53 < Amgine> kk
00:54 < Reedy> ohh
00:54 < Reedy> It is shared ;)
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00:55 < MrZ-man> try https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&remaction=run&namedcmd=patch%2Fneeds-review&sharer_id=6045
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00:57 < p858snake> the WMF squid proxies are run as the nobody user aren't they?
00:57 < Reedy> Theres a few saved searches that look like spam
00:58 < Amgine> 423. awesome.
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01:02 < TimStarling> p858snake: certainly not
01:02 < wikibugs> (NEW) Reporting a ClueBot False Positive Fails with SQL Error - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21632 normal; Normal; MediaWiki: Database; (spoco2)
01:02 < TimStarling> if you run multiple services as "nobody", then those services can interfere with each other
01:03 < TimStarling> that's why it's good practice to run each service as its own unprivileged user
01:03 < TimStarling> which is what is done with squid
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01:05 < p858snake> yeah i was thinking it was giving the name based on the user running it, but it appears to be in the config files
01:05 < p858snake> for bug 18903 https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18903
01:06 < ailmanki> ok I tracked the error down to jobs.. $this->numJobs = SiteStats::jobs(); in SpecialStatistics.php .. makes the script silently quit or fail -I don't know. I have php 4 .. what can I do to fix it.. I have now just commented the line.. and it shows just jobs 0.. but thats much better to the blank page I had before..
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01:13 < ailmanki> I guess the jobs() function bails out.. still kinda weird
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01:16 < wikibugs> (mod) Add possibility to create 303 See Other redirects - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21574  +comment (mrzmanwiki)
01:17 < wikibugs> (INVALID) Reporting a ClueBot False Positive Fails with SQL Error - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21632  +comment (soxred93)
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03:18 < TimStarling> Microsoft-themed uncyclopedia: http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page
03:21 < charitwo> oh
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08:09 < wikibugs> (mod) Wget and Perl get stale pages - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20481  (leegee)
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08:21 < wikibugs> (mod) Wget and Perl get stale pages - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20481  +comment (tstarling)
08:40 < sarge> Has anyone here been able to get mediawiki running on Ubuntu lately?
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08:42 < Rgoodermote> Sarge: Had it running yesterday
08:43 < wikibugs> (INVALID) Wget and Perl get stale pages - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20481  +comment (tstarling)
08:43 < sarge> I just did a 100% fresh install (base system+LAMP), unzipped mediawiki 1.15.1 into /var/www
08:43 < sarge> the config worked fine and I can see the main page
08:44 < sarge> but when I click on edit for any page I get a blank screen
08:45 < sarge> if I use wget the blank edit pages show up fine
08:45 < sarge> if I turn off gzip encoding in firefox the edit pages also seem to come up fine
08:46 < sarge> did you have to do anything special to get mediawiki working?
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08:47 < Rgoodermote> I made sure the permissions where 755 for the w directory and 777 for upload, bought it, all I can really suggest is you read this, http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Errors_and_Symptoms#You_see_a_Blank_Page
08:47 < sarge> hmm I already saw that page, tried turning on errors for php but nothing shows up in the logs
08:48 < sarge> the machine has 12GB of ram and the default memory settings for php are already set to what they recommend on that page
08:48 < Rgoodermote> Hm, sorry to say there isn't a whole lot I can do. I was using an older version of lampp so that may be it.
08:48 < sarge> I tried increasing them too but it didn't help
08:49 < sarge> Do you mind if I ask which version of php?  Looks like 5.2.10 here
08:51 < Rgoodermote> Hm, off the top of my head I have no clue. But I can tell you my lampp version was 1.7.1
08:57 < wikibugs> (mod) Add possibility to create 303 See Other redirects - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21574  +comment (denny.vrandecic)
08:58 < wikibugs> (mod) Support collation by a certain locale (sorting order of characters) - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=164  (hippytrail)
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09:26 < wikibugs> (REOPENED) Wget and Perl get stale pages - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20481  +comment (leegee)
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09:40 < lch> mixing link= with image titles doesn't work for me as described in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Images_linking_to_articles
09:40 < lch> it does use the title of the link target as title text
09:41 < lch> is there a specific MW version needed for that?
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09:41 < lch> I'm running 1.15.1
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10:00 < wikibugs> (NEW) Wikipedia in Picard language approved - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21634 enhancement; Normal; Wikimedia: Language setup; (Gerard.meijssen)
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10:01 < Duesentrieb> lch: i think that's new in 1.16
10:02 < lch> when is that one due? :P
10:02 < Duesentrieb> !1.16
10:02 < mwbot> It will be ready when it's ready.
10:02 < OverlordQ> it says 1.14 on MW
10:02 < Duesentrieb> you can use the imagemap extension as a wrokaround
10:02 < Duesentrieb> OverlordQ: i'm pretty sure that's wrong.
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10:04 < OverlordQ> was added in r41727 which afaik was 1.14
10:04 < lch> which revision was 1.15.1 ?
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10:05 < OverlordQ> 53183
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10:06 < navaladi> hello all, i need to copy Email to wiki page and have the same formatting , is it possible?
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10:07 < navaladi> i meant, i keep the formate as it is in the wiki page as i have it in Email.? for example the ">" simples?
10:07 < Duesentrieb> navaladi: use <pre>
10:10 < navaladi> Ah thanks
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11:41 < wikibugs> (mod) Missing interwiki prefixes - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19838  (beau)
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11:49 < wikibugs> (INVALID) Wget and Perl get stale pages - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20481  +comment (roan.kattouw)
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12:22 < wikibugs> (INVALID) Unable to assign starting value to numbered list - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21631  +comment (alex.emsenhuber)
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12:45 < _sana> hello, is there any software, in command line, I can use to translate documents from doc to mediawiki ?
12:45 < Nikerabbit> convert?
12:46 < wikibugs> (NEW) LiquidThreads data is not imported from database dumps - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21635 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: LiquidThreads; (agarrett)
12:46 < _sana> Nikerabbit: yes
12:47 < buzz_> _sana, from microsoft word .doc to wiki markup ?
12:47 < Nikerabbit> none that I am aware of
12:47 < _sana> exactly
12:47 < _sana> I can do it from openoffice, but it requires user interactions
12:47 < buzz_> http://openwetware.org/wiki/Converting_documents_to_mediawiki_markup#Word_Documents
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12:48 < buzz_> http://sourceforge.net/projects/word2wiki/ . there are other links. google can help
12:49 < _sana> buzz_: I searched alot
12:49 < _sana> I also tried DocumentConverter.py; which can convert from doc to PDF
12:49 < _sana> but when converting to mediawiki
12:49 < _sana> it hangs with : ERROR! ErrorCodeIOException 3088
12:50 < buzz_> http://www.infpro.com/Word2MediaWiki.aspx
12:50 < _sana> I searched this error, but the 2 results given by google didn't help me
12:50 < _sana> I forgot to say, I use Linux :)
12:50 < buzz_> i would think going from word to RTF to wiki would be a better route.. or saving as xml and goin g from there
12:51 < _sana> okay
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12:51 < _sana> I try
12:51 < buzz_> so do i.. i also have virtualbox installed. you are the one who has word docs after all ;-)
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12:54 < buzz_> you could do http://wvware.sourceforge.net/ (word to html). and then use html 2 wiki
12:54 < _sana> thanks :)
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13:02 < wikibugs> (NEW) Toolbar overlaps horizontal rule - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21636 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: LiquidThreads; (agarrett)
13:04 < wikibugs> (NEW) Infinite scrolling on LiquidThreads discussion pages - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21637 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: LiquidThreads; (agarrett)
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13:09 < guillom> werdna, eww, infinite scroll? really?
13:10 < wikibugs> (DUP) edit links are not aligned properly - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21614  +comment (alex.emsenhuber)
13:10 < wikibugs> (mod) Section edit links showing up in wrong place - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1629  +comment (alex.emsenhuber)
13:10 < guillom> what about a "more" link that does the same thing? (appends the "next page")
13:13 < werdna> guillom: maybe
13:13  * werdna shrugs
13:13  * guillom personally hates infinite scroll
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13:21 < werdna> guillom: Erik suggested it, I don't know the best thing to do :)
13:21 < svip> Damn svn is slow.
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13:37  * Natalie pees on charitwo.
13:37 < Natalie> Hmm, I don't suppose anyone has been maintaining that LQT/Notes page?
13:38 < Natalie> I have a few hours this morning.
13:38 < charitwo> die evil wench
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13:57 < sDrewth> Question: Where would one go to investigate bulk moving of pages (as an administrator)?
13:59 < Natalie> Bulk moving of subpages or just pages?
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14:11 < iceroot> how to post wiki-code in a wiki, so that the code is displayed, not the result of the code
14:11 < Reedy> <nowiki>[[Blah]]</nowiki>
14:12 < iceroot> Reedy: great, thx
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14:13 < iceroot> Reedy: wokring but now a complete block of code is displayed in one line, so there is no linebreak
14:15 < wikibugs> (mod) Wget and Perl get stale pages - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20481  (leegee)
14:17 < iceroot> i have to use 2 whitespaces before <nowiki> then its working
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14:27 < iceroot> :( i am using <nowiki> some wikicode </nowiki> which is working fine. but i am using also <nowiki>[[:Category:foobar]]</nowiki> and the mediawiki is creating a categorie. is there a way to disable that?
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14:30 < wikibugs> (mod) Wget and Perl get stale pages - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20481  (roan.kattouw)
14:31 < RoanKattouw> iceroot: That code shouldn't create a category. Double-check that you don't have another category link somewhere else in the page
14:31 < Reedy> iceroot: [[:Category:foobar]] should link it anyway
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14:36 < lch> which maintenance script can I use to do a null edit to an article to refresh the cached page?
14:36 < iceroot> ah, i was first using the code i want to paste without nowiki, so mediawiki created a footer with the category-list and did not remove it after putting the code into <nowiki>
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14:38 < Kanor-> Reedy: what was your lecture today about? more grammars? :P
14:38 < Duesentrieb> lch: one page? or all pages?
14:38 < lch> Duesentrieb, a collection of pages
14:39 < lch> from one custom namespace
14:39 < Duesentrieb> don't think we have anything for that. just purge the cache completely
14:39 < lch> :(
14:39 < Duesentrieb> all you need to do is touch LocalSettings.php
14:39 < Duesentrieb> that shouldn't have any bad effects unless you site is *very* busy
14:41 < lch> Duesentrieb, touching LocalSettings.php isn't enough for stuff like SMW annotations kicking in
14:41 < Duesentrieb> no? something is broken in SMW then.
14:41 < lch> action=purge isn't enough for that either
14:41 < lch> a null edit it enough, though
14:41 < lch> is*
14:41 < Duesentrieb> ask smw folks then
14:42 < Duesentrieb> sounds like a silly bug to me.
14:42 < lch> it's prolly not a bug, but a feature :P
14:42 < Reedy> Kanor-: no lectures, just a practical session on compiler and parser writing :P
14:42 < Duesentrieb> hMm? ignoring requests for purgew & rerende is a feature?
14:43 < Kanor-> then i can talk openly about the grammar without giving you nightmares :D
14:43 < Reedy> lol
14:48 < wikibugs> (mod) Wget and Perl get stale pages - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20481  (leegee)
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14:54 < freakolowsky> lo ladies
14:54 < wikibugs> (mod) Wget and Perl get stale pages - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20481  (roan.kattouw)
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15:04 < wikibugs> (CLOSED) Wget and Perl get stale pages - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20481  (leegee)
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15:14 < Stevage_> *sigh*
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15:18 < sDrewth> sorry Natalie, had to deal with sick kid
15:18 < sDrewth> pages, not subpages
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15:18 < sDrewth> specifically in one of our namespace in enWS
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15:24 < Natalie> sDrewth: There are semi-automated tools like AWB.
15:24 < Natalie> Or you can use scripts in Perl, Python, whatever.
15:24 < Natalie> Just depends how you want to do it.
15:25 < sDrewth> so yes, just need someone with the smarts to code for it
15:25 < Natalie> I have some time this morning.
15:25 < CIA-66> werdna * r59412 /trunk/extensions/LiquidThreads/ (classes/View.php lqt.css lqt.js): LiquidThreads: fix bug where toolbar overlapped post separator
15:26 < sDrewth> the issue is that we have OCR text out of alignment with scans
15:26 < sDrewth> and I think that this evening, my brain is too knackered to explain it lucidly
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15:27 < sDrewth> so, thank you for the generous offer, however, I would like to take a raincheck
15:27 < Natalie> werdna: When will the LQT interface look like http://myrandomnode.dyndns.org:8080/~gmaxwell/LQT-how-it-should-be.png ? :-)
15:27 < Natalie> sDrewth: All right. :-)
15:27 < sDrewth> thx
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15:29 < werdna> Natalie: I don't know
15:29 < werdna> It would be nice to have the thing around the tabs
15:30 < werdna> I'll hopefully get to it
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15:30 < Natalie> Cool.
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16:18 < kwame> Hi, anyone here that points me to an extension that will allow me to select users that I want to deny them from logging to mediawiki?
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16:27 < Briareos1> i want to upload .mkv videos, but mediawiki won't let me ($wgFileExtensions[] = 'mkv'; is set)
16:28 < RoanKattouw> What's the error message?
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16:32 < kwame> so, any one that knows about an extension to deny a user login in to the mediawiki?
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16:32 < kevindanko> blacklist right?
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16:32 < kwame> kevindanko: if that will allow me that X Y and Z user cannot log in to the wiki, yes, that would do it
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16:33 < Juandev> hi
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16:33 < Juandev> how does it come that "mailto:" URL scheme works in wiki?
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16:33 < RoanKattouw> Juandev: Why wouldn't it work?
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16:34 < kwame> kevindanko: :?
16:34 < kwame> kevindanko: I don't think that the Extension:Blacklist will work
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16:37 < Juandev> well, I dont know. but when there is <nowiki> tag and works, I am happz
16:37 < Juandev> *happy
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16:40 < RoanKattouw> Juandev: Could you explain what you want more clearly?
16:40 < Juandev> yes
16:42 < Juandev> RoanKattouw: I was wandering why it works in MediaWiki environment. Because, if I have a look to special:version or to w:en:help:HTML, it is not writen there
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16:42 < Juandev> I was just wondering as lama how is it possible, it was not a bug report;) 
16:43 < Briareos1> RoanKattouw it said something like the file was broken or so ... now i set $wgVerifyMimeType = false; and it's working ... though this is probably not a nice solution
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16:48 < keigel2001> hi, I need some help with editing my costum skin. how can I only show a part of the user toolbar?
16:48 < kwame> fsck ... I don't seem to find an extension that will allow me to do a bulk removing of a permissions to users to log in to mediawiki
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16:50 < RoanKattouw> !wg UrlProtocols | Juandev 
16:50 < mwbot> Juandev: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgUrlProtocols
16:50 < RoanKattouw> keigel2001: You can always hide stuff with CSS if you want, that's easy
16:51 < RoanKattouw> While not the cleanest way, it's probably the easiest way
16:52 < keigel2001> hmm
16:52 < keigel2001> it show's 5 points, but I just want 3 of them...
16:53 < keigel2001> username, settings, own posts...
16:53 < RoanKattouw> So figure out which 2 you want to hide, figure out their IDs and add some CSS
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16:59 < wikibugs> (mod) Wikipedia in Picard language approved - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21634   +shell (danny.leinad)
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17:05 < Reedy> Whats the picard language?
17:05 < Reedy> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Picard_language
17:05 < Reedy> meh
17:06 < Natalie> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Picard_language
17:06 < Natalie> :P
17:08 < Juandev> RoanKattouw: okay, thx for explanation
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17:46 < CIA-66> daniel * r59416 /trunk/WikiWord/ (10 files in 3 dirs): proximity matrix generation. needs optimization
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17:57 < CIA-66> werdna * r59417 /trunk/extensions/LiquidThreads/classes/ThreadRevision.php: Debugging code for LiquidThreads
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17:58 < wikibugs> (NEW) Please add CSS class hiddenStructure to items_to_remove (xhtml.rb) - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21639 major; Normal; Wikipedia Mobile: server; (ninniuz)
17:59 < Betacommand> anyone around familiar with the new upload protection that was recently added to wmf sites?
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18:04 < RoanKattouw_away> What new protection?
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18:07 < Betacommand> RoanKattouw_away: prevents re-upload without locking the image description page
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18:09 < Rjd0060> that's interesting
18:11 < Rjd0060> it's slightly broken though
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18:11 < CIA-66> werdna * r59418 /branches/wmf-deployment/extensions/LiquidThreads_alpha/ (. classes/ThreadRevision.php): Debugging code
18:12 < werdna> Betacommand: it's active on wikimedia sites?
18:12 < werdna> it shouldn't be, although I can see how it might be in the UI
18:12 < Betacommand> werdna: yeah
18:13 < Betacommand> werdna: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:RusskiyToyWelpe9Mon.JPG
18:13 < Betacommand> check the commons version of that page
18:14 < Rjd0060> it only works when you select the "unlock move permissions" check box.
18:14 < werdna> it shouldn't work at all
18:15 < Betacommand> werdna: .......
18:15 < CIA-66> werdna * r59419 /branches/wmf-deployment/includes/Title.php: Remove upload permission from box, it does not actually work
18:16 < Betacommand> http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&prop=info&inprop=protection&titles=File:RusskiyToyWelpe9Mon.JPG&format=jsonfm
18:17 < werdna> 17:17 < logmsgbot> !log andrew synchronized php-1.5/includes/Title.php  'Commented out part of upload protection that was inadvertantly merged in as it was part of a revision dependency for  LiquidThreads thread protection. r59419'
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18:20 < CIA-66> werdna * r59420 /trunk/extensions/LiquidThreads/pages/TalkpageHistoryView.php: LiquidThreads: fix fatal error on 2nd and subsequent pages of talkpage history pager.
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18:22 < CIA-66> werdna * r59421 /branches/wmf-deployment/extensions/LiquidThreads_alpha/ (. pages/TalkpageHistoryView.php): Merge r59420
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18:27 < CIA-66> yaron * r59422 /trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/languages/SMW_Messages.php: Added query-parameter description messages, for use by the new getParameters() function
18:27 < Betacommand> werdna: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/58537
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18:29 < Nikerabbit> hi Dantman 
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18:29 < werdna> Betacommand: no, actually it's a different revision
18:29 < Dantman> Yo?
18:31 < CIA-66> werdna * r59423 /trunk/extensions/LiquidThreads/classes/ThreadRevision.php: Improve debugging code
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18:32 < Betacommand> werdna: thats where the feature as reportedly added
18:32 < werdna> yes, but I redid it entirely in another revision
18:32 < CIA-66> werdna * r59424 /branches/wmf-deployment/extensions/LiquidThreads_alpha/ (. classes/ThreadRevision.php): Improve debugging
18:32 < werdna> and I'm not sure why you're telling me this
18:33 < Betacommand> werdna: I did not know you re-did it, and was just reviewing the signpost article about the feature
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18:49 < wikibugs> (NEW) LiquidThreads revision storage breaks when serialised object size exceeds 65,555 bytes - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21640 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: LiquidThreads; (agarrett)
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18:56 < wikitesti> hi i have  problem with mysql many conntion
18:56 < wikitesti> connection
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18:58 < CIA-66> yaron * r59426 /trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/includes/SMW_QueryPrinter.php: 
18:58 < CIA-66> Added getParameters() and related functions, to allow query printers to
18:58 < CIA-66> describe their parameters, for use in Special:Ask and elsewhere
18:58 < CIA-66> werdna * r59427 /branches/wmf-deployment/extensions/LiquidThreads_alpha/i18n/Lqt.i18n.php: Update LiquidThreads messages
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19:02 < CIA-66> demon * r59428 /trunk/phase3/includes/Setup.php: (bug 21638) Set hashLevels to 2 like commons, just in case
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19:03 < wikibugs> (FIXED) InstantCommons: ForeignAPIRepo doesn't use hashed path for locally stored thumbnails ($this->hashLevels uninitialized) - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21638  +comment (innocentkiller)
19:05 < CIA-66> werdna * r59429 /branches/wmf-deployment/extensions/LiquidThreads_alpha/ (21 files in 5 dirs): Update LiquidThreads alpha to trunk state
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19:13 < wikitesti> hi i have  problem with mysql many conntion
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19:16 < ^demon> Whee Muppets Treasure Island :D
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19:38 < Platonides> where should suggestions for the usability initiative be sent?
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19:41 < Emw> Platonides: http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Call_for_proposals
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19:42 < Platonides> Emw, it would be a ml, or somewhere at usability.wikimedia, not at strategy
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19:43 < Platonides> Roan, wheren't you involved at UI?
19:44 < Platonides> s/h//
19:44 < RoanKattouw> Ywah
19:44 < RoanKattouw> usabilitywiki
19:44 < Platonides> which place?
19:45 < RoanKattouw> Ah
19:45 < Platonides> I just want to note a guy who emailed us because he wasn't able to edit the beginning of the page
19:45 < Platonides> he got confused by the edit sections :P
19:46 < RoanKattouw> http://usability.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Prototype
19:46 < Emw> i've heard of others not being able to figure out how to edit the lead section as well
19:46 < Platonides> isn't it too broad?
19:47 < Platonides> perhaps a link near "Editing Campeonato Nacional de Liga de Fútbol Indoor (section)" saying "Edit full page" would be good
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19:48 < Platonides> at least they would be able to reach the edit page
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19:48 < Amgine> ?action=edit&section=0 should be a feature...
19:49 < RoanKattouw> It is
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20:11 < bmusson> is there a way to send an email out whenever a change is made to the wiki?
20:11 < bmusson> i mean, the wiki in general, not a specific page.
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20:24 < wikibugs> (NEW) Add Wikipedia as Alias for NS 4 - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21641 enhancement; Normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (sam)
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20:25 < Renegade15> good day
20:25 < wikibugs> (mod) Add Wikipedia as Alias for NS 4 on ca.wiki - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21641  summary (sam)
20:25 < Nikerabbit> it's evening already
20:25 < LauraHale> Hi
20:26 < wikibugs> (mod) Add Wikipedia as Alias for NS 4 on ca.wiki - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21641  +comment (roan.kattouw)
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20:26 < Reedy> RoanKattouw: [19:24:18] <+Reedy> Alchimista: if huggle just used "Project" ;)
20:26 < Reedy> Before i posted the bug
20:26 < Reedy> haha
20:28 < Reedy> I'm gouging my eyes trying to find it in VB
20:28 < Nikerabbit> visual basic
20:28 < Renegade15> I'm having a weird issue with a recently-upgraded mediawiki; we had file uploads to ./images forever, and it always worked fine; now I upgraded to 1.15.1 a few days ago, just tried to upload an image, and it's telling me "The upload directory (public) is not writable by the webserver." - I've checked LocalSettings, and both uploadpath as well as uploaddirectory are set to images - in fact, there is no mention of the word "public" in Loca
20:28 < Renegade15> lSettings at all.
20:29 < Reedy> Nikerabbit: VB .NET
20:29 < Reedy> //joy
20:29 < CIA-66> raymond * r59432 /trunk/ (58 files in 45 dirs): Localisation updates for core and extension messages from translatewiki.net (2009-11-25 19:00 UTC)
20:29 < Renegade15> I could easily just chmod public, that's not the issue, but I'm wondering what's causing this?
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20:30 < Renegade15> (plus, I'd actually rather keep using ./images than switching to ./public)
20:30 < Nikerabbit> I guess public is just a placeholder
20:30 < Nikerabbit> 1996:'upload_directory_read_only'  => 'The upload directory ($1) is not writable by the webserver.',
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20:31 < Nikerabbit> 147:                    return $this->newFatal( 'upload_directory_read_only', $this->directory );
20:31 < Nikerabbit>                 $this->directory = $info['directory'];
20:31 < Renegade15> ah, okay
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20:32 < Renegade15> what purpose does the "public" folder serve then, though? is that even part of the default install?
20:32 < Renegade15> 'cause it's empty and it's not mine xD
20:32 < Nikerabbit>                         'directory' => $wgSharedUploadDirectory,
20:32 < Nikerabbit> there it is
20:32 < Nikerabbit> nope
20:32 < Nikerabbit> yes
20:33 < Nikerabbit> I'm not sure
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20:33 < Renegade15> xD okay
20:33 < Renegade15> that was helpful, though. thank you very much
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20:33 < Nikerabbit> that part of the code is not easily greppable
20:35 < CIA-66> dale * r59433 /trunk/phase3/js2/ (3 files in 2 dirs): 
20:35 < CIA-66> * restored basic firefogg upload functionality per r59320 breakage
20:35 < CIA-66> * show preview of encoding video by default
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20:36 < wikibugs> (NEW) Watchlist notification email reports creation instead of deletion - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21642 normal; Normal; MediaWiki: Email; (wolfram.schmied)
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20:39 < wikibugs> (INVALID) Add Wikipedia as Alias for NS 4 on ca.wiki - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21641  (sam)
20:42 < Bizzeh> does anyone know of any sites that have any basic regex for parsing mediawiki exported xml text? (the stuff in the <text></text> tag, not the xml its self)
20:44 < Nikerabbit> isn't 21642 dupe?
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20:44 < Nikerabbit> at least the bug has been there ages since aaron changed the logging system
20:44 < Nikerabbit> Bizzeh: regex is wrong tool for parsing xml
20:44 < Bizzeh> Nikerabbit: as i said, im not parsing xml
20:45 < Bizzeh> im pasring the wikicode in the xml
20:45 < Nikerabbit> why does it matter how it is exported
20:45 < Bizzeh> ill start from the beginning
20:45 < Bizzeh> im exporting xml from a mediawiki
20:46 < Bizzeh> ive parsed the xml to get the page code from the <text></text> tag, now i want to parse that code into an actual page
20:46 < Nikerabbit> good luck
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20:46 < Bizzeh> writing an exporter to convert to cached html
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20:47 < Nikerabbit> why don't you use htmldump extension?
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20:48 < Bizzeh> not extendable enough for my liking
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20:51 < Duesentrieb> is there a sane way to maps diacritics to ascii characters in unicode? i mean "a -> a, etc.
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20:52 < Galaxor> Say, how do I upload a new version of a file?  (I had previously uploaded an svg to my wiki, but now I've got a new version).
20:53 < Duesentrieb> Galaxor: just upload it again under the same name
20:53 < Galaxor> Will it keep my description and stuff?
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20:54 < Duesentrieb> Galaxor: yes, if there already is a description, it will not be changed
20:54 < Galaxor> Indeed it did.
20:54 < Duesentrieb> the new description will only be logged as an upload comment
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20:55 < Galaxor> Cool, thanks.
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21:11 < laurus> Does anyone know how to do inline <pre> style text?
21:12 < Amgine> <code>txt</code>?
21:12 < laurus> Amgine, thank you!
21:12 < laurus> That's inline?
21:12 < Amgine> should be monospaced font, yes.
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21:12 < laurus> I figured it would be something a little more Mediawiki-syntax-like than tags
21:12 < Amgine> (although css could change it)
21:13 < RoanKattouw> laurus: Nope, wikitext uses XML tags here and there. We've got <nowiki> , <pre> and <code> among other things
21:13 < laurus> RoanKattouw, cool, works for me :)
21:13 < laurus> But <pre> can be replaced by a single space on a new line
21:13 < laurus> For example
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21:20 < Duesentrieb> laurus: not quite the same thing
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21:20 < Duesentrieb> heya brion
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21:21 < Duesentrieb> brion: i want evan to speak at wikimania. whatcha think?
21:21 < brion> that'd be neat!
21:22 < brion> he's on right now but he's sick :)
21:22 < werdna> yeah I was kinda confused to not see him at wikimania
21:22 < Duesentrieb> brion: well, if we all keep poking him, it might work :)
21:22 < RoanKattouw> Wait, is Evan a wiki guy?
21:22 < RoanKattouw> What's he got to do with wikis other than being Brion's boss?
21:22 < atglenn> wikitravel!
21:22 < werdna> wikitravel
21:22 < Duesentrieb> RoanKattouw: he started wikitravel
21:23 < RoanKattouw> Ah
21:23 < Duesentrieb> RoanKattouw: wrote a bunch of extensions for it. contributed a bit to core too
21:23 < Duesentrieb> 2005 or something :)
21:23 < werdna> and I feel like he's done a bunch of other stuff
21:23 < Duesentrieb> OpenID and RDF are the extensions i remember him most for
21:24 < brion> evan's a longtime wiki guy
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21:24 < werdna> he's been to a few wikimanias
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21:32 < LauraHale> And  I think every RecentChangesCamp.
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21:34 < Amgine> I didn't see him at Portland.
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21:34 < LauraHale> I did.
21:34 < Amgine> <was a bit distracted at the time...>
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21:34 < LauraHale> I did some evan stalking.
21:35 < LauraHale> He was at a panel on monetizing wikis.
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21:37 < wikibugs> (NEW) this aint a big at all, sorry - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21643 trivial; Normal; MediaWiki: User interface; (krishvanth)
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21:38 < CIA-66> catrope * r59436 /trunk/extensions/UsabilityInitiative/ (6 files in 4 dirs): UsabilityInitiative: Preview: Fix display when preview tab disabled
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21:41 < Emw> is there an aliasing problem when high-resolution images are scaled down to fit in wikipedia's 180 px width for thumbnails?
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21:45 < wikibugs> (mod) Add share buttons for Twitter, Digg, etc. - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21643  summary (roan.kattouw)
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21:52 < wikibugs> (INVALID) Add share buttons for Twitter, Digg, etc. - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21643  +comment (Platonides)
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22:23 < wikibugs> (mod) loading a wikipedia article crashes my browser - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21622  (herd)
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22:26 < wikibugs> (mod) loading a wikipedia article crashes my browser - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21622  (roan.kattouw)
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22:36 < wikibugs> (mod) Allowing protecting files without protecting image pages - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6579  +comment (TheEvilIPaddress)
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22:40 < Bryan> assignments of arrays referenced or copied?
22:40 < RoanKattouw> In PHP? Copied
22:40 < RoanKattouw> Unless you explicitly say you want a reference
22:41 < RoanKattouw> I think; try $a = array( 1, 2, 3 ); $b = $a; $b[0] = 0; var_dump( $a ); var_dump( $b ); to be sure
22:41 < Bryan> yeah indeed
22:42 < wikibugs> (NEW) add super_page=<current user> - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21644 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: SemanticForms; (vid_wikimedia_bugzilla)
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22:54 < jtrucks> is there a way to do outlines in mediawiki like a traditional 1. a) i). type format?
22:54 < jtrucks> without using <pre> and friends?
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22:58 < Kanor-> jtrucks: why would you need that?
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22:59 < jtrucks> The reason isn't so relevant. It does not look like it can be done, according to the documentation. I was just asking here to be sure.
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23:03 < thedj> sigh. why are all elements on file pages using classes instead of ids ...
23:04 < buzz_> because they are unique ?
23:04 < buzz_> aah. .sorry i read it wrong way round
23:04 < buzz_> :)
23:05 < buzz_> because they are general styles to be reused ? dunno :)
23:07 < wikibugs> (mod) Activate autopatrol user group for Simple English Wiktionary - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21439  +comment (mzapdoswi)
23:07 < Duesentrieb> ids are generally problematic, because they are required to be unique
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23:07 < Duesentrieb> when you write snippets of php, how do you know no one else might be using the smae element id?
23:12 < Amgine> ru.wikt uses ids in templates...
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23:13 < wikibugs> (NEW) Create a more specific warning when (re)uploading a file is protected - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21645 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: Uploading; (TheEvilIPaddress)
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23:27 < Amgine> Hmmm, no one thought to mention to jtrucks the <ol type=?
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