--- Log opened Thu Nov 26 00:00:15 2009 00:01 -!- Jake_Wartenberg is now known as JW|AFK 00:03 -!- [[sroracle]] [n=sroracle@c-98-215-178-14.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #mediawiki 00:06 < wikibugs> (mod) Support collation by a certain locale (sorting order of characters) - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=164 (verdy_p) 00:09 -!- _ITrace [n=justinst@216.81.188.2] has joined #mediawiki 00:09 -!- _ITrace [n=justinst@216.81.188.2] has quit [Client Quit] 00:12 -!- puzzlet [n=puzzlet@147.46.241.168] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 00:14 -!- puzzlet [n=puzzlet@147.46.241.168] has joined #mediawiki 00:16 -!- riesss [n=java@p578FA63E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #mediawiki 00:17 -!- charitwo [n=charitwo@wikia/Charitwo] has quit [Success] 00:25 -!- atglenn [n=ariel@wiktionary/ArielGlenn] has quit ["Leaving."] 00:25 -!- ITrace [n=justinst@216.81.188.2] has quit [Success] 00:26 -!- lch [n=lch@92.227.212.213] has quit ["Verlassend"] 00:28 -!- Radon is now known as Neon 00:29 -!- jMyles [n=justin@cpe-67-251-102-66.stny.res.rr.com] has joined #mediawiki 00:32 -!- Neon [n=Radon@unaffiliated/radon] has quit ["Gone"] 00:32 -!- tomaszf [n=tomaszf@216.38.133.254] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 00:32 -!- Platonides [n=Platonid@wikipedia/Platonides] has quit [] 00:32 -!- tomaszf [n=tomaszf@216.38.133.254] has joined #mediawiki 00:33 -!- Olipro [n=Olipro@uncyclopedia/pdpc.active.olipro] has joined #mediawiki 00:34 -!- rainman-sr [n=rainman@95.148.129.8] has quit ["Leaving"] 00:42 -!- Marco27 [n=Marco27@wikipedia/Marco27] has quit ["'Notte! 'Night!"] 00:43 -!- aZaFred [n=aZaFred@wikimedia/Azafred] has quit ["Leaving..."] 00:44 -!- ITrace [n=justinst@71-214-244-66.desm.qwest.net] has joined #mediawiki 00:45 -!- ShakataGaNai [n=SGN@Wikimedia-Commons/ShakataGaNai] has joined #mediawiki 00:48 < ShakataGaNai> All, I've got a challenge that I can't seem to figure out. I'm working on Fanhistory, trying to fix their plethora of issues. One of which is strange messages on pages. I've setup a completly clean copy of Mediawiki (But attached to the old database). Note and here: http://www.fanhistory.com/fh2/index.php?title=Special:UserLogin&returnto=Special:RecentChanges . In one test, I disabled every extension, the 00:49 < ShakataGaNai> And if I set the message in the DB (with usedbmessages back to true) to anything, even   it goes away 00:51 < brion> heh 00:51 < ShakataGaNai> brion: I get a bad feeling when you say "heh" 00:52 < brion> try sticking '-' in them; if not then just stick in a non-breaking space 00:52 < brion> though..... by default they're empty, so it shouldn't be a problem 00:52 < brion> funky 00:53 -!- BR451 [n=brice@AToulouse-256-1-138-7.w90-45.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit ["Leaving."] 00:53 -!- Emw|away is now known as Emw 00:53 < ShakataGaNai> I know, On the original site I figured it could come from anywhere, skin hacks, etc. But with a clean copy of the code & them not being in the DB... I was very confused where they could come from 00:54 < Emw> does the ImageMagick process the mediawiki uses to scale down images cause bad aliasing? 00:54 < Emw> that mediawiki uses* 00:54 < ShakataGaNai> The problem is that it is _all over_ the wiki. http://www.fanhistory.com/fh2/index.php?title=User_talk:ShakataGaNai&action=edit§ion=new - you get . I've seen it place instead of the actuall signature 00:55 < brion> Emw: it should look pretty decent if it's using imagemagick... link to a page showing problem? 00:55 -!- sj|| [n=sj@wikipedia/sj] has joined #mediawiki 00:55 < brion> funky 00:56 < Emw> brion -- i've gotten comments that the image in the top of the right template here looks "fuzzy" because of aliasing: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Emw/PDB_Sandbox/Protein_HSD11B1_PDB_1xu7 00:56 < brion> ShakataGaNai: it's also rejecting special:search as "no such special page", which i find suspicious 00:56 < ShakataGaNai> yea, that is because I f'd up sphynx 00:57 * ShakataGaNai iz lazy, hasn't gotten around to figuring out that little bastard 00:57 < Emw> that is, while the full scale image looks fine, the user says that the scaled down version in that template looks worse than the comparable image to the left 00:58 < Emw> the image at right should look significantly better, but they insist that it looks worse in terms of image quality than the image at left 00:59 -!- sj| [n=sj@wikipedia/sj] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 00:59 -!- ITrace [n=justinst@71-214-244-66.desm.qwest.net] has quit [Client Quit] 00:59 < brion> Emw: well that'd be antialiasing :) 01:00 < ShakataGaNai> Oooo...k..... I made it disapear... now to figure out what 01:01 < Emw> brion: yes right, i suppose they're saying that there is some problem with the anti-aliasing in the image at right 01:01 < brion> Emw: we apply some sharpening on jpgs (usually photographic images), not sure we do on PNGs 01:01 < ShakataGaNai> Zee culprit is: $wgMainCacheType = CACHE_MEMCACHED; 01:01 < brion> (though since that PNG also has a transparent background i'm not sure if the sharpening could even apply there) 01:02 < brion> anyway, it looks nice and smooth but if you prefer a sharp edge there you're going to need to do it yourself; the system can't aesthetically optimize for every case :) 01:02 -!- Soxred93 [n=Soxred93@wikipedia/Soxred93] has joined #mediawiki 01:02 -!- MaxSem [n=max@wikimedia/MaxSem] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 01:03 < Emw> to me, the image at right looks much sharper than the image at left 01:04 < Emw> that is, when they're both in that scaled down version as well as their full size 01:05 < Emw> is there some OS-specific glitch that could be degrading the anti-aliasing quality of PNG's that use transparency? 01:06 -!- KaareAway [i=Kaare@wikipedia/pdpc.professional.kaare] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 01:06 < Emw> i guess the user could just be imagining the problem 01:09 -!- KaareAway [i=Kaare@wikipedia/pdpc.professional.kaare] has joined #mediawiki 01:09 < ShakataGaNai> Ok. So my answer, for anyone who reads this later and wonders. Is bad cache setup. It was talking to a copy of MEMCACHE that was incorrectly configured (How, I dont know... but it was) 01:12 -!- Emw is now known as Emw|away 01:13 -!- AzaToth [n=azatoth@wikipedia/AzaToth] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 01:15 -!- GDonato [n=GDonato@wikimedia/GDonato] has quit ["quit"] 01:15 -!- KaareAway [i=Kaare@wikipedia/pdpc.professional.kaare] has quit ["Coyote finally caught me"] 01:17 -!- ShakataGaNai [n=SGN@Wikimedia-Commons/ShakataGaNai] has left #mediawiki [] 01:18 -!- brion is now known as brion-away 01:19 -!- flyingparchment [i=river@loreley.flyingparchment.org.uk] has quit [Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable)] 01:19 -!- KaareAway [i=Kaare@wikipedia/pdpc.professional.kaare] has joined #mediawiki 01:20 < wikibugs> (NEW) b:cs: settings - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21646 enhancement; Normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (danny.b) 01:20 -!- chomwitt [n=chomwitt@ppp-94-66-177-230.home.otenet.gr] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 01:21 -!- Church_of_emacs [n=CoE@wikipedia/Church-of-emacs] has quit ["Leaving"] 01:25 -!- simNIX [n=simNIX@156-60.bbned.dsl.internl.net] has joined #mediawiki 01:28 -!- Prodego [n=Prodego@wikipedia/Prodego] has joined #mediawiki 01:34 -!- Bizzeh [n=killallt@xbmc/staff/bizzeh] has quit ["its not easy, it just proves how great i am"] 01:37 -!- apshields [n=apshield@adsl-68-94-195-146.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has quit [] 01:38 -!- Melos [n=Melos@wikimedia/Melos] has joined #mediawiki 01:39 -!- charitwo [n=charitwo@wikia/Charitwo] has joined #mediawiki 01:45 -!- JC [n=JC@wikimedia/Juliancolton] has joined #mediawiki 01:46 -!- PDD [i=PDD@wikipedia/PDD] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 01:47 -!- Beta|away [n=Betacomm@unaffiliated/betacommand] has joined #mediawiki 01:50 -!- PDD [i=PDD@wikipedia/PDD] has joined #mediawiki 01:50 -!- Prodego is now known as elapse 01:50 -!- Dantman [n=dantman@wikia/dantman] has quit ["http://daniel.friesen.name or ELSE!"] 01:52 -!- flyingparchment [i=river@loreley.flyingparchment.org.uk] has joined #mediawiki 01:53 -!- dungodung is now known as dungodung|away 01:53 -!- dungodung|away is now known as dungodung|sleep 01:54 -!- Papiertiger [i=tiger@e180065063.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #mediawiki 01:56 -!- Papertiger [i=tiger@e180069191.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 02:05 -!- Beta|away is now known as Betacommand 02:12 < wikibugs> (mod) Pagination broken when asking for more then 50 results - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21498 (futredragons) 02:13 -!- charitwo [n=charitwo@wikia/Charitwo] has quit ["Client Quit"] 02:14 -!- charitwo [n=charitwo@wikia/Charitwo] has joined #mediawiki 02:19 -!- AryehGregor [n=Simetric@cpe-66-108-146-57.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 02:22 -!- Aaron|notebook [n=chatzill@adsl-75-10-149-159.dsl.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net] has joined #mediawiki 02:23 -!- AryehGregor [n=Simetric@mediawiki/simetrical] has joined #mediawiki 02:24 < Betacommand> !magicwords 02:24 < mwbot> For more information about creating magic words and their inner workings, see . 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+comment (paul.copperman) 04:18 -!- GerardM- [n=chatzill@77.250.53.164] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 04:18 -!- Melos [n=Melos@wikimedia/Melos] has quit ["..."] 04:19 -!- HBYYB [n=felix@wikimedia/dungodung] has joined #mediawiki 04:19 < wikibugs> (mod) When a link in a template parameter is not properly opened and closed, the template does not work - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5744 (paul.copperman) 04:20 -!- Pathoschild [n=Jesse@wikimedia/Pathoschild] has joined #mediawiki 04:23 < wikibugs> (DUP) HTML tags choke templates with parameters, because of a "=" (regardless of being masked by ) - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5138 +comment (paul.copperman) 04:23 < wikibugs> (mod) Template misses its parameter when contianing a link with "=" character in the URL - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14235 +comment (paul.copperman) 04:24 -!- elapse is now known as Prodego 04:24 < wikibugs> (mod) Section edit links not showing when heading is parameter default - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21485 (paul.copperman) 04:25 -!- Aaron|notebook [n=chatzill@adsl-75-10-149-159.dsl.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 04:29 < wikibugs> (mod) is broken inside tags - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19168 +comment (paul.copperman) 04:30 -!- JW|AFK is now known as Jake_Wartenberg 04:30 < ailmanki> So I have same problem in the fresh install.. the Category gets listed on bottom of the page, but 04:30 < Dantman> TimStarling, you think it would be alright if I made this change to the summary field? http://pastie.org/715643 (Formatted and cleaned up for clarity) 04:30 < ailmanki> http://bunkerwiki.aaxxss.com/york/index.php/Game_Modes , 04:31 < ailmanki> the Category has no media or pages listed. 04:32 < ailmanki> If anybody has a hint, would help alot, as I am kinda stuck... 04:32 < wikibugs> (WFM) citation templates, cite book and template limits - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11930 +comment (paul.copperman) 04:32 < Dantman> ailmanki, Try rebuilding the categorylinks table 04:33 < ailmanki> I suppose with maintenance scripts? that is not possible as I got php 4 04:33 < Dantman> maintenance/populateCategory.php 04:33 < Dantman> Eh? 04:34 -!- dungodung|sleep [n=felix@wikimedia/dungodung] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 04:35 < ailmanki> I see.. php 4 is by default on cli .. hm will take me a moment. I didn't realize that earlier.. great hint.. I might be able to use the maintenance scripts. 04:35 < wikibugs> (mod) Pipe trick doesn't work when emptiness is only provided by empty template parameter - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4099 (paul.copperman) 04:38 -!- Netsplit calkins.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: wagnerrp, Amgine, mkpaa, jayne, Rjd0060, Raymond_, VVelox, hendrik, b9punk, stux|RC, (+81 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) 04:39 < wikibugs> (WFM) __NOEDITSECTION__ in a template affects entire page - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2795 +comment (paul.copperman) 04:40 -!- Netsplit over, joins: Pathoschild, HBYYB, Dantman, BR451, Tom39Away, Raymond_, Neurotiquette, Amgine, puzzlet, AryehGregor (+81 more) 04:41 -!- Raimon [n=Raimon@phpbb/styles/raimon] has quit [Connection timed out] 04:42 < wikibugs> (FIXED) HTML-Tags are automatically closed when including template. - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7374 +comment (paul.copperman) 04:42 -!- charitwo [n=charitwo@wikia/Charitwo] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 04:44 -!- RAHB_Rocks [n=RAHBrock@66.212.14.228] has joined #mediawiki 04:45 -!- RAHB_Rocks [n=RAHBrock@66.212.14.228] has quit [Client Quit] 04:46 < Dantman> Hmm, what dev should I redirect my question to 04:46 -!- charitwo [n=charitwo@wikia/Charitwo] has joined #mediawiki 04:46 -!- charitwo [n=charitwo@wikia/Charitwo] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 04:47 -!- werdan7 [n=w7@freenode/staff/wikimedia.werdan7] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 04:47 -!- charitwo [n=charitwo@wikia/Charitwo] has joined #mediawiki 04:49 < TimStarling> Dantman: what for? 04:50 < TimStarling> looks the same to me, just two ways to write the same thing 04:51 < Dantman> I'm back to working on EditPage's extensibility. I'm trying to abstract the input areas into separate functions since some extensions that would create an alt EditPage like to rearange the standard input (put it inline with a formatted table or whatever). 04:52 -!- werdan7 [n=w7@freenode/staff/wikimedia.werdan7] has joined #mediawiki 04:54 < Dantman> I have args for controlling the attrs of the label and input; I'm accounting for devs wanting to change the id in their edit form. But the way the label has two separate elements to it kinda gets in my way with that. 04:55 < wikibugs> (mod) tilde signatures inside nowiki tags sometimes get expanded (~~~~) - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93 +comment (paul.copperman) 04:55 < TimStarling> ok, go ahead then 04:55 -!- Neurotiquette [n=youdaman@207.40.45.42] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 04:57 < Dantman> I ask cause the change of span.mw-summary -> label.mw-summary or .mw-summary now enclosing the label and input could break some site's custom css; Or in case of compatibility paranoia over that style of