[00:00:17] <codurr>	 New code comment: Brion VIBBER; Shouldn't the fixme belong on whatever originally added it then?; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/108475#c29233>
[00:00:32] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Strings in the app that are not translatable - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33624  +comment (10liangent)
[00:02:14] <AaronSchulz>	 gwicke: MogileFS...that's what I was thinking of earlier...not that that's relevant to anything ;)
[00:04:00] <gwicke>	 I think there are quite a few distributed storage systems with SPOF- just too easy to build ;)
[00:05:06] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Double save of main page causes crash - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33625  +comment (10liangent)
[00:06:35] <mw-jenkinsbot>	 Project MediaWiki-lint build #102: FAILURE in 5 min 37 sec: http://integration.mediawiki.org/ci/job/MediaWiki-lint/102/
[00:07:39] <AaronSchulz>	 [apply] PHP Parse error:  syntax error, unexpected T_VARIABLE, expecting T_STRING in /var/lib/jenkins/jobs/MediaWiki-lint/workspace/mw-extensions/WindowsAzureSDK/lib/PHPAzure/library/Microsoft/WindowsAzure/CommandLine/Scaffolders/ScaffoldTemplateScaffolder/resources/index.php on line 10
[00:08:35] <Krinkle>	 liangent: you wanted to talk ?
[00:09:38] <liangent>	 Krinkle: talk about gadgets?
[00:09:47] <Krinkle>	 liangent: I don't know, you say :)
[00:11:29] * Danny_B|backup  just had a flashback of beverly hills 90210 on liangent's question... ;-)

[00:12:10] <liangent>	 Krinkle: then no and I'll leave
[00:12:24] <Krinkle>	 liangent: ok
[00:12:27] <^demon|away>	 AaronSchulz: class $Name$Scaffolder extends Microsoft_WindowsAzure_CommandLine_PackageScaffolder_PackageScaffolderAbstract...
[00:15:46] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Searching for "#" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33628  +comment (10liangent)
[00:17:16] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Strings in the app that are not translatable - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33624  +comment (10liangent)
[00:22:37] <MTecknology>	 :( I can't get more than 60 transactions/second from my mediawiki site. That kinda really sucks.
[00:24:07] <codurr>	 03aaron * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/108481> 10/branches/FileBackend/phase3/includes/filerepo/backend/SwiftFileBackend.php:
[00:24:07] <codurr>	 In SwiftFileBackend:
[00:24:07] <codurr>	 * Updated backend to match /trunk changes (r108353).
[00:24:07] <codurr>	 * Optimized doGetFileSha1Base36() and doStreamFile(),
[00:24:07] <codurr>	 * Moved doCreateInternal() code up.
[00:31:43] <sumanah>	 johnduhart: do you have a few spare moments to review a patch or two?
[00:32:21] <johnduhart>	 Currently knee deep in deployment labs, sorry
[00:32:25] <sumanah>	 got it
[00:32:26] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Strings in the app that are not translatable - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33624  +comment (10liangent)
[00:32:54] <codurr>	 03gregchiasson * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/108482> 10/trunk/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5/ (6 files in 4 dirs):
[00:32:54] <codurr>	 Fix up AFTv5 feedback page (somewhat) - match mockups a bit better, more
[00:32:54] <codurr>	 sensible HTML generation (still would rather have this in the JS than the PHP,
[00:32:54] <codurr>	 but as I said, this is only somewhat fixed up), stub out abuse/spam filtering,
[00:32:54] <codurr>	 add a couple of columns from alter.sql that didn't make it into the main sql
[00:32:55] <codurr>	 file, and add some new translations.
[00:42:41] <MutantTurkey>	 hello everyone, I've been reading about mediawiki and found out there is some sort of built in profiler. I've attempted to modify the StartProfiler.php, LocalSetting.php, and AdminSettings.php to enable this.
[00:42:59] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Explain better the meaning of "By e-mail" button - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/22457  +comment (10sumanah)
[00:43:07] <MutantTurkey>	 Yet when I open the profileinfo.php it returns an error:query failed: Table 'test.profiling' doesn't exist
[00:43:13] <MutantTurkey>	 any tips?
[00:44:10] <codurr>	 03rsterbin * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/108483> 10/trunk/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5/modules/ (2 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed)
[00:44:10] <codurr>	 Bug fix: Since link option D is accessible when you're in overlay mode, it
[00:44:11] <codurr>	 should work as a toggle rather than only opening the modal:
[00:44:11] <codurr>	 - modules/jquery.articleFeedbackv5/jquery.articleFeedbackv5.js:
[00:44:11] <codurr>	 - New method toggleModal()
[00:44:11] <codurr>	 - Added toggleModal to the list of plugin-accessible methods
[00:44:12] <codurr>	 - modules/ext.articleFeedbackv5/ext.articleFeedbackv5.js:
[00:44:32] <codurr>	 03rmoen * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/108484> 10/trunk/extensions/MoodBar/ (5 files in 2 dirs): added recent changes log to moodbar feedback, add min height to fbd-list due to absolute positioned fbd-filters box
[00:46:41] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Searching for "#" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33628  +comment (10brion)
[00:47:16] <sumanah>	 MutantTurkey: does that table exist in your db?
[00:47:33] <MutantTurkey>	 nope I just figured that out
[00:47:38] <MutantTurkey>	 I need to create it using this script apparently
[00:47:54] <MutantTurkey>	 maintainence/patchSql.php
[00:48:03] <AaronSchulz>	 raindrift: if UW gives "please wait, still checking the title for uniqueness..." three times when I click 'next' what might that mean?
[00:48:18] <MutantTurkey>	 spelled that wrong, but whatever, sumanah, that file doesn't exist for me.
[00:48:24] <AaronSchulz>	 (for multifile upload)
[00:49:20] <MutantTurkey>	 sumanah: which is just weird
[00:49:49] <sumanah>	 MutantTurkey: patchSql.php doesn't exist?
[00:50:05] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Unable to save a page in Wikipedia namespaces on zhwiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33626  +comment (10brion)
[00:50:55] <MutantTurkey>	 sumanah: correct
[00:51:36] <sumanah>	 MutantTurkey: I see it is mentioned on https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:How_to_debug
[00:51:40] <raindrift>	 AaronSchulz:  the thing that's happening there is an api call to commons, to see if the file in question exists.  It could be a connectivity issue, or it could be a bug.
[00:51:58] <sumanah>	 MutantTurkey: hmmm
[00:52:02] <AaronSchulz>	 oh, this is on my local test wiki btw
[00:52:39] <MutantTurkey>	 sumanah: that page is killing me
[00:52:44] <MutantTurkey>	 I've been staring at it for a while
[00:52:50] <raindrift>	 oh.  hm.  in that case it could also be a titleblacklist configuration issue, i think.  though it's possible that message isn't related to TBL.
[00:52:52] <sumanah>	 http://svn.wikimedia.org/svnroot/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/maintenance/ 
[00:53:00] * AaronSchulz  does one file

[00:53:09] <MutantTurkey>	 sumanah: thanks
[00:53:09] <sumanah>	 MutantTurkey: http://svn.wikimedia.org/svnroot/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/maintenance/patchSql.php 
[00:53:14] <MutantTurkey>	 apparently I can just manually look it over
[00:53:15] <MutantTurkey>	 :-)
[00:53:23] <sumanah>	 MutantTurkey: did you do some sort of nonstandard installation?
[00:53:29] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Double save of main page causes crash - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33625  +comment (10brion)
[00:53:35] <AaronSchulz>	 'An unknown error occurred.', heh
[00:53:41] <MutantTurkey>	 sumanah: no idea, I didn't do it
[00:53:47] <MutantTurkey>	 afaik its a borked installation that is a few years old
[00:53:55] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Fix Wikipedia icon in Android app - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33013  +comment (10hwalls)
[00:53:58] <sumanah>	 MutantTurkey: what version of MediaWiki are you using?  & if you look in your maintenance directory, what is missing in your dir that's in http://svn.wikimedia.org/svnroot/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/maintenance/ ?
[00:54:23] <MutantTurkey>	 sumanah: let me see.
[00:54:41] <sumanah>	 MutantTurkey: btw, googling "patchSql.php" would have eventually possibly led you to the right path
[00:54:52] <wikibugs>	 04(REOPENED) Fix Wikipedia icon in Android app - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33013  +comment (10Brion Vibber)
[00:55:02] <MutantTurkey>	 1.12.0
[00:55:03] <MutantTurkey>	 that's it
[00:55:07] <sumanah>	 MutantTurkey: the current..... ah
[00:55:13] <MutantTurkey>	 how old is that?
[00:55:15] <MutantTurkey>	 :x
[00:55:15] <sumanah>	 MutantTurkey: that is very old, and I suggest you upgrade to 1.18.0
[00:55:24] <MutantTurkey>	 haha
[00:55:26] <MutantTurkey>	 welp
[00:55:54] <MutantTurkey>	 only 2009 :x
[00:56:10] <MutantTurkey>	 sumanah: the project is very hacky and I think an upgrade would do more damage then good.
[00:56:21] <sumanah>	 MutantTurkey: well, if you look at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Branch_points you see that 1.12 branched off trunk in early 2008.
[00:56:59] <raindrift>	 AaronSchulz:  when you get the 'unknown error', it's possible to use the chrome dev tools (or firebug) to look at what the last couple api calls returned directly. (and yes, this is lame, i agree)
[00:57:00] <sumanah>	 MutantTurkey: in the long run, you'll want to upgrade, so spending the time to pay off technical debt will be a good investment, and the sooner you start, the less you'll have to do.  And  to get security fixes.
[00:57:37] <MutantTurkey>	 yeah I am messaging the guy in charge now
[00:57:44] <MutantTurkey>	 sumanah: I'll just do abackup and then do it
[00:58:04] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) [Regression] Cannot navigate among links in a page using arrow keys anymore - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33618  +comment (10brion)
[00:58:07] <sumanah>	 MutantTurkey: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Upgrading#How_do_I_upgrade_from_a_really_old_version.3F_In_one_step.2C_or_in_several_steps.3F
[00:58:19] <MutantTurkey>	 thanks
[01:02:19] <sumanah>	 MutantTurkey: In case you need to help persuade anyone that it's worth upgrading: (a) most extensions won't work with your version, and extensions add a lot of functionality (b) so many security fixes (c) Vector skin, much nicer to use and to modify (d) better installer (e) ResourceLoader for improved performance 
[01:02:24] <sumanah>	 and more of course
[01:02:34] <MutantTurkey>	 excellent
[01:02:38] <MutantTurkey>	 I have sent off a note
[01:02:59] <Joan>	 (f) Better easter eggs.
[01:03:08] <MutantTurkey>	 (g) free beer.
[01:03:10] <MutantTurkey>	 :x
[01:03:55] <sumanah>	 MutantTurkey: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki_1.17 & https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/1.18 provide some summaries of the 2 most recent releases.
[01:04:46] <MutantTurkey>	 cool
[01:04:50] <MutantTurkey>	 thank you very much!
[01:05:04] <MutantTurkey>	 also, I can view logging data without a DB, it outputs a plain text version 
[01:05:07] <MutantTurkey>	 which is cool
[01:06:31] <sumanah>	 MutantTurkey: and of course we are always looking for new volunteers: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/How_to_become_a_MediaWiki_hacker
[01:09:56] <codurr>	 03gwicke * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/108485> 10/trunk/extensions/VisualEditor/ (6 files in 2 dirs):
[01:09:56] <codurr>	 More token transform and pipeline setup refactoring to support template
[01:09:56] <codurr>	 expansion better.
[01:11:44] <MutantTurkey>	 sumanah: okay, also Caching - where to start?
[01:12:10] <sumanah>	 MutantTurkey: have you already tried searching mediawiki.org for the words "cache" or "caching"?
[01:12:18] <MutantTurkey>	 yes!
[01:12:23] <MutantTurkey>	 I am on the page
[01:12:30] <MutantTurkey>	 I've been doing a bit of reading about it
[01:12:33] * sumanah  looks at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Cache

[01:12:38] <MutantTurkey>	 I always like to get personal opinions on it
[01:12:41] <MutantTurkey>	 already on that page
[01:13:08] <sumanah>	 ok, so, MutantTurkey, are you asking where to start when installing caching, or if you want to improve it by getting into MW dev?
[01:13:19] <sumanah>	 I think your first step is going to be upgrading to a modern version of MediaWiki :-)
[01:13:41] <MutantTurkey>	 sumanah:  I need to wait for the go ahead
[01:13:57] <MutantTurkey>	 unfortunately my humble coworkers dont spend all hours of the night on work projects :[
[01:14:22] <sumanah>	 in the meantime, MutantTurkey, you could install a modern version on another environment and start playing with it.  
[01:15:13] <MutantTurkey>	 maybe I should just go out for once
[01:15:18] <MutantTurkey>	 pfftt!
[01:15:35] <sumanah>	 :0
[01:15:37] <sumanah>	 noooooo
[01:15:41] <MutantTurkey>	 as for backing up before installation, mediawiki is entirely self contained right?
[01:15:41] <sumanah>	 it's scary out there
[01:15:48] <MutantTurkey>	 I can just CP the directory?
[01:16:12] * sumanah  steps aside for others to give a definitive answer, bearing in mind that MutantTurkey is dealing with mw 1.12

[01:18:37] <MutantTurkey>	 :|
[01:18:53] <p858snake|l>	 MutantTurkey: you should also backup the database
[01:19:52] <MutantTurkey>	 p858snake|l: during the upgrade or in general?
[01:20:03] <MutantTurkey>	 I could do a monthly cron job or something if it's generally...
[01:20:16] * varnent  finds the autosave feature of etherpad to be a little creepy

[01:20:20] <p858snake|l>	 well before the upgrade would be handy
[01:20:32] <p858snake|l>	 but you should also consider doing it in general
[01:20:35] <MutantTurkey>	 varnent: etherpad is a great tool though
[01:20:49] <MutantTurkey>	 p858snake|l: ok :)
[01:21:11] <varnent>	 MutantTurkey: I totally agree - have just started to experiment with uses - but was just using it and am still new enough I always go (now how do I save that…)
[01:21:37] <sumanah>	 I hear Etherpad Lite is the new coolness
[01:22:16] <MutantTurkey>	 its awesome
[01:22:32] <codurr>	 New code comment: Aaron Schulz; <pre>198 if ( count( $err ) ) {</pre> \ Should this be "if ( count == 1 )" ?; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/107776#c29234>
[01:22:38] <MutantTurkey>	 I work on an open source project called Trinity Desktop
[01:22:40] <MutantTurkey>	 we use it for meetings
[01:22:42] <MutantTurkey>	 http://trinity.etherpad.trinitydesktop.org/15
[01:22:56] <MutantTurkey>	 we put all the talk into the meeting pad, create topics and stuff
[01:23:03] <varnent>	 nice
[01:23:05] <MutantTurkey>	 then during the meeting everyone looks over it while someone leads the discussion in irc
[01:23:17] <varnent>	 Etherpad Lite? oy - new toy to discover
[01:23:18] <MutantTurkey>	 it definitely has uses
[01:23:24] <MutantTurkey>	 whats the difference?
[01:23:39] <varnent>	 ones is liter...
[01:23:57] <varnent>	 hmm…lite'r?
[01:24:08] <sumanah>	 MutantTurkey: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Project:Etherpad_index is us.
[01:24:20] <sumanah>	 varnent: I was under the impression that etherpad lite was the one that was being maintained.
[01:24:44] <varnent>	 sumanah: sure  :)  <---has no clue on this one
[01:25:03] <MutantTurkey>	 yeah... me neither
[01:25:08] <MutantTurkey>	 all i know is that it works!
[01:26:39] <varnent>	 I just know WMF has the nice free one I may one day look at more for installing elsewhere  :)
[01:28:22] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) When saving a page normalize the page title first - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33627 normal; Wikimedia Mobile: android; (liangent)
[01:28:32] <varnent>	 sumanah: you swamped or want a quick post-holiday reminder about a question for legal we tabled pre-holiday?
[01:28:53] <sumanah>	 varnent: I can hear it
[01:28:59] <sumanah>	 varnent: and then i may table it again :/
[01:29:10] <varnent>	 sumanah: who or how to check with legal about donations to extension developers being optionally solicited from within the extensions template
[01:29:17] * sumanah  has been taking a break from more urgent stuff to look for easy bugs to put into https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Annoying_little_bugs

[01:29:29] <sumanah>	 oh dear. varnent I think Erik Moller can handle that better than i can
[01:29:52] <sumanah>	 varnent: maybe Erik + Geoff (WMF legal counsel) (Geoff is very approachable and realistic)
[01:29:57] <varnent>	 email, irc or talk page?
[01:30:22] <varnent>	 btw - fun factoid - Microsoft's legal department only accepts faxes - no calls or emails
[01:30:47] <p858snake|l>	 [11:23] <varnent> Etherpad Lite? oy - new toy to discover <i believe we were packaging that at one stage so we could put it on the cluster
[01:32:03] <varnent>	 p858snake|l: so is etherpad like unix with various flavors? or is lite just a "lighter" version of the full etherpad?
[01:32:16] <p858snake|l>	 no idea
[01:33:57] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Fix Wikipedia icon in Android app - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33013  +comment (10brion)
[01:33:59] <sumanah>	 varnent: email works
[01:34:22] <sumanah>	 varnent: p858snake|l: johnduhart must know, as he's the one who did the pkging
[01:34:47] <johnduhart>	 huh?
[01:35:12] <varnent>	 lol - now you've done it - j/k - did you package the Etherpad Lite installation?
[01:35:59] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Search string is sometimes prefilled in new search box - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/24963  +comment (10Sumana Harihareswara)
[01:36:23] <varnent>	 johnduhart: if so - I was wondering if ether pad is like unix with flavors - or if lite is just a "lite" to the core etherpad software...
[01:36:45] <johnduhart>	 lite is a fork off the now unmaintained etherpad
[01:36:55] <johnduhart>	 iirc lite is written in node.js and not java
[01:37:04] <johnduhart>	 Still from the same people
[01:37:13] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Searching for "#" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33628 normal; Wikimedia Mobile: android; (liangent)
[01:37:15] <varnent>	 gotcha - so an oddly named v2..more or elss
[01:37:34] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) SwiftMedia URL rewrites and container names - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33286  +comment (10aschulz4587)
[01:38:17] <johnduhart>	 pretty much
[01:43:34] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Enable Narayam using URL params - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33603  +comment (10srik.lak)
[01:50:03] <codurr>	 03bsitu * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/108486> 10/branches/concurrency/ (4 files in 3 dirs): API and UnitTest Cases for Concurrency functions
[01:50:18] <sumanah>	 hey rmoen, did you have time on Friday to do a little patch review?
[01:51:40] <varnent>	 p858snake|l: unrelated - thoughts on https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Project:WikiProject_Extensions/Projects/Page_Drive
[01:53:46] * AaronSchulz  wonders what ConcurrencyCheck  will be used with

[01:55:04] <raindrift>	 AaronSchulz:  the first use is for building a more friendly UI in FeedbackDashboard.  We'll also be using it in the new NPP extension to keep patrollers from stepping on eachother's toes.
[01:55:24] <AaronSchulz>	 I guess editing and reviewing can use it too
[01:55:38] <sumanah>	 raindrift: hey, are you working on any extensions right now that would be particularly amenable to volunteer participation? 
[01:55:44] <raindrift>	 editing can use it, but not until we get a more robust backend, probably.  mysql isn't really suited to that.
[01:56:24] <AaronSchulz>	 this seems to be some of the fun that LockManager is
[01:56:34] <raindrift>	 sumanah:  i'm working on TMH and PageTriage directly (though just barely the second, so far).
[01:56:36] <p858snake|l>	 varnent: well the hook bits aren't extactly needed, but they are nice to have. And with the stuff thats really carred about in the wmf svn, I wonder if people actually still use those categories
[01:57:02] <AaronSchulz>	 FlaggedRevs just uses memcached to handle "I am reviewing this edit" stuff
[01:57:23] <raindrift>	 sumanah:  I think PageTriage might be something that could use volunteer help.  Also, I bet Aaron could use more people on the LiveChat stuff, and it's a pretty interesting project.  He's been working on a writeup to introduce it...
[01:57:26] <sumanah>	 Ryan_Lane: you are better placed than I to respond to "Re: Sandbox server for Wikiversity community" in terms of whether what they want is in accordance with the vision for WMF Labs
[01:57:37] <AaronSchulz>	 though you can't get listings or easily allow a limited number of concurrent reviewers
[01:57:41] <Ryan_Lane>	 yeah. I have a long draft email written
[01:57:45] <varnent>	 p858snake|l: fair question - I use them to find similar types of extensions a lot - but not sure how common a practice that is  :)
[01:57:52] <AaronSchulz>	 raindrift: were you thinking Cassandra or some such store?
[01:57:54] <Ryan_Lane>	 sumanah: I'm very likely to respond in-wmf first, though
[01:57:55] <sumanah>	 raindrift: AaronSchulz is working on a LiveChat thing?  I look forward to that writeup.
[01:58:04] <raindrift>	 AaronSchulz:  those are the goals here…  :)  listings at first, and then concurrent checkouts in the future.
[01:58:06] <sumanah>	 Ryan_Lane: oh, ok
[01:58:07] <Ryan_Lane>	 sumanah: basically, it's not a fit for labs, but the idea is *really* good
[01:58:17] <AaronSchulz>	 must be another Aaron
[01:58:24] * AaronSchulz  hears they exist

[01:58:34] <sumanah>	 Ryan_Lane: indeed!  lots of little sandboxes are one of the nice things about Codecademy and CodingBat
[01:58:39] <raindrift>	 AaronSchulz:  some sort of distributed key/value store.  memcached breaks for this once we're solidly in two datacenters.  i haven't done enough research to know what the best option is yet.
[01:58:42] <Ryan_Lane>	 in fact, I have a really-long email about how it could be a really awesome project that is based on the same technology as labs
[01:59:11] <raindrift>	 sumanah:  Nope, Aaron Halfaker.
[01:59:14] <Ryan_Lane>	 really, it could be another part of labs that lives in its own zone
[01:59:25] <sumanah>	 raindrift: oh right, from that university!
[01:59:44] <Ryan_Lane>	 their implementation isn't really ambitious enough, though ;)
[01:59:57] <Ryan_Lane>	 it wouldn't scale, and would have security issues
[02:00:17] <sumanah>	 Ryan_Lane: I shall leave you to your opus.
[02:00:21] <Ryan_Lane>	 heh
[02:00:23] <AaronSchulz>	 raindrift: won't one replicate the other? Does the concurrency stuff *have* to be full-proof locking or just roughly OK?
[02:00:34] <AaronSchulz>	 "one" as in memcache cluster
[02:00:39] <Ryan_Lane>	 I'd love to see something implemented, I just don't think it should be us
[02:00:55] <Ryan_Lane>	 but, I'll finish the email and sent it forward to you and erik
[02:01:04] <Ryan_Lane>	 and some ops folks
[02:01:43] <raindrift>	 AaronSchulz:  it doesn't have to be fool-proof, sure, but it needs to be pretty good or it'll just lead to weird little bugs that are impossible to replicate.  :)
[02:01:51] <AaronSchulz>	 raindrift: and would we be using one memcached and only actually reading the other in failure scenario (ops people switching which cluster MW uses)
[02:01:59] <sumanah>	 raindrift: I think last I heard from you about the LiveChat people, you were going to pressure them to say something public :-)
[02:02:02] * AaronSchulz  looks at Ryan_Lane too

[02:03:10] <Ryan_Lane>	 I have no clue :)
[02:03:22] <Ryan_Lane>	 raindrift and I discussed this briefly one day
[02:03:32] <Ryan_Lane>	 I mentioned you guys should try some things out in labs
[02:03:40] <AaronSchulz>	 of  course, if you wanting to do per-user/resource type listing, memcached is out already anyway
[02:03:58] <raindrift>	 AaronSchulz:  I think the eventual goal is to actually have running app servers at multiple locations (rather than a hot-spare config, with squids running at multiple locations).  we'll never escape one mysql master, but my understanding is that in such an environment we'd have two disconnected memcache clusters.
[02:03:59] <AaronSchulz>	 raindrift: have you considered using swift?
[02:04:34] <Ryan_Lane>	 that's an interesting way to go about a key/value
[02:04:51] <raindrift>	 for managing application-level concurrency?  i thought it was a filestore.  how would it solve this problem?  I'm curious.
[02:06:05] <AaronSchulz>	 If we have apaches (not just squids) running in equad, then I guess we'd want memcache running hot there too...which I guess is where the problem is
[02:07:12] <raindrift>	 that's my understanding, yeah.  i hear that's still a ways off, though.
[02:07:42] <Ryan_Lane>	 we've been considering membase
[02:07:58] <Ryan_Lane>	 which has replication, and optional persistence
[02:08:11] <Ryan_Lane>	 there is also riak
[02:08:14] <jdpond>	 Hey,  just discovered an easy to fix bug in wikibits.js, but my Regex sucks.  If a value/field contains more than one period, it should be treated as a string, not as a number. Accidentally found when trying to do an IP table sort (e.g. 10.1.1.25).
[02:09:28] <sumanah>	 jdpond: file a bug in Bugzilla & mark it with the "easy" keyword?
[02:09:33] <jdpond>	 Would also be a problem with indexed section headers, . . .
[02:09:44] <codurr>	 03raindrift * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/108487> 10/branches/concurrency/includes/ConcurrencyCheck.php: Added support for memcached.
[02:10:06] <AaronSchulz>	 raindrift: gah, nevermind, swift wont work due to the lack of a "create object but fail if it already exists" API call
[02:10:20] <AaronSchulz>	 you would need to combine it with LockManager to do that
[02:11:31] <raindrift>	 yeah.  i mean, almost any source of atomicity can be expanded to do this job.  i bet there's a way to do it with swift if atomicity can be guaranteed.  for example, it's doable with file-creation operations on NFS.
[02:11:53] <raindrift>	 though, i'll add, such solutions are really kludgy.
[02:12:05] <Ryan_Lane>	 agreed
[02:12:10] <raindrift>	 i'd rather use some kind of distributed database that manages those parts on its own.  :)
[02:12:13] <Ryan_Lane>	 there's a bunch of decent key-balues for this
[02:12:17] <raindrift>	 totally.
[02:12:19] <Ryan_Lane>	 well, you could use memcached.
[02:12:20] <Ryan_Lane>	 err
[02:12:22] <Ryan_Lane>	 mysql
[02:12:41] <Ryan_Lane>	 they are using it as a key-value for parser cache
[02:12:43] <raindrift>	 that is what i'm doing now, but it'll have performance issues if we use it for anything super high-traffic.
[02:13:12] <AaronSchulz>	 that's what I dislike about DBLockManager
[02:13:17] <raindrift>	 like, it's good for pagetriage and feedback dashboard, but i'd be concerned about using it for editing.
[02:13:23] <AaronSchulz>	 so I wrote LockServerDaemon for fun ;)
[02:13:36] <raindrift>	 or for the acronym...
[02:13:50] <AaronSchulz>	 of course one could redo that using libevent extension for PHP and make it better
[02:14:01] <Ryan_Lane>	 how persistent does the chat need to be?
[02:14:08] <Ryan_Lane>	 are we archiving chats?
[02:14:31] <Ryan_Lane>	 I understand the necessity for replication, but why persistence?
[02:14:46] <raindrift>	 Ryan_Lane:  I think the current thinking is toward jabber for chat, so persistence isn't necessary there.
[02:15:05] <Ryan_Lane>	 yay! I'm really glad jabber is being considered for chat
[02:15:25] <Ryan_Lane>	 it bothers me when people reimplement the wheel
[02:15:31] <raindrift>	 yeah.  i was thinking ejabberd was best, and seems like the most likely candidate still.
[02:15:38] <Ryan_Lane>	 it also means that normal chat clients can be used
[02:15:45] <raindrift>	 in theory, yes.  :)
[02:15:55] <AaronSchulz>	 normal is overrated ;)
[02:15:57] <Ryan_Lane>	 we'd need to integrate authentication
[02:16:08] <Ryan_Lane>	 AaronSchulz: have you ever used facebook's chat?
[02:16:10] <raindrift>	 i already did that part.  permissions are a little more difficult.
[02:16:26] <Ryan_Lane>	 did you know that it actually doesn't suck when you are using jabber with a regular client?
[02:16:28] <AaronSchulz>	 Ryan_Lane: you mean the one that dropped messages a bunch last time I used it?
[02:16:43] <raindrift>	 but yeah, authenticating ejabberd against mediawiki isn't actually very hard.
[02:16:49] <Ryan_Lane>	 ah. good
[02:16:57] <Ryan_Lane>	 what's the difficult part, then?
[02:17:09] <Ryan_Lane>	 html -> jabber interface?
[02:17:48] <raindrift>	 pretty much, yeah.  there's a bunch of code to write there, to get the interface to integrate well with mediawiki and solve problems people actually have. 
[02:18:05] <Ryan_Lane>	 I'd imagine that should be fairly straightforward with php bindings for jabber, and an ajax api for it
[02:18:19] <raindrift>	 we're looking initially at using it for live help.
[02:18:25] <Ryan_Lane>	 yeah
[02:18:31] <codurr>	 03aaron * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/108488> 10/trunk/phase3/includes/filerepo/backend/FileBackend.php: r108353: Distinguish null/false in FileBackend::fileExists(). This is intended for things that might really care.
[02:18:52] <Ryan_Lane>	 this would allow presence, which would be *really* awesome.
[02:19:36] <Ryan_Lane>	 so what is the thing you need persistence for?
[02:19:46] <Ryan_Lane>	 sorry to derail the topic, but chat is exciting
[02:20:24] <raindrift>	 the problem we're working on now is much less interesting.  :)
[02:20:34] <jdpond>	 Hmmm,  maybe not so simple.  https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8063 JavaScript table sort does not observe local language with respect to digit groups, decimals and date formats
[02:20:34] <Ryan_Lane>	 awww :(
[02:20:41] <Ryan_Lane>	 heh
[02:21:39] <raindrift>	 we need a way to let people know when someone else is working on a given thing (replying to some feedback, patrolling a page, etc), so we can let other users know that that resource is in use, so they don't waste time and duplicate effort.
[02:22:07] <Ryan_Lane>	 ah. right
[02:22:28] <Ryan_Lane>	 how would this work for clients that lack javascript?
[02:22:29] <raindrift>	 So, there's this thing: http://svn.wikimedia.org/svnroot/mediawiki/branches/concurrency/includes/ConcurrencyCheck.php
[02:22:43] <Ryan_Lane>	 timeouts?
[02:22:47] <raindrift>	 the applications in question don't work at all without js.  :)
[02:22:53] <Ryan_Lane>	 ah. ok.
[02:22:55] <raindrift>	 there are timeouts.
[02:23:00] <AaronSchulz>	 FR is the same, it's JS only
[02:23:08] * Ryan_Lane  nods

[02:23:11] <raindrift>	 FR?
[02:23:17] <AaronSchulz>	 too much of a pain for .1% of people or something
[02:23:21] <AaronSchulz>	 FlaggedRevs
[02:23:27] <raindrift>	 aha, yes.
[02:23:47] <Ryan_Lane>	 why does this need persistence?
[02:23:52] <AaronSchulz>	 it used to have some non-JS support that relied only timeouts alone, but meh
[02:24:01] <Ryan_Lane>	 worst case, persistence goes away, and it's back to the way it always has been
[02:24:05] <raindrift>	 it doesn't.  it just needs to work between datacenters.
[02:24:10] <Ryan_Lane>	 why?
[02:24:27] <raindrift>	 well, only if there are app servers at multiple datacenters.
[02:24:38] <raindrift>	 if we serve 50% from each, it'll be wrong 50% of the time.  :)
[02:24:52] <Ryan_Lane>	 we haven't figured out how we're going to handle cases like this
[02:25:06] <Ryan_Lane>	 we could tell apps like this to always hit the "writable" datacenter
[02:25:32] <raindrift>	 that could work.  i hadn't considered that…  just selectively running these parts from a single datacenter.
[02:25:43] <raindrift>	 that'd simplify a lot of things.
[02:25:55] <Ryan_Lane>	 the requests from the second datacenter would be slower, but we are planning on only sending like 10% of the traffic there
[02:27:29] <raindrift>	 totally.  sounds reasonable.  it would be some set of api calls.  is it possible to direct the traffic with that kind of granularity?
[02:28:01] <Ryan_Lane>	 I'd imagine we'd need to have configuration that let us read from a different set of servers
[02:28:15] <Ryan_Lane>	 on a per-application basis
[02:28:25] <Ryan_Lane>	 this isn't how things work right now
[02:28:49] <Ryan_Lane>	 but, using a key-value with replication would also solve this
[02:28:51] <raindrift>	 right.  got it.  like, i'd point the js app at a different host, or a different path that ends up mapping to a different host.
[02:29:10] <Ryan_Lane>	 well, either datacenter could handle the request
[02:29:22] <Ryan_Lane>	 but it would read from memcache in the writeable datacenter only
[02:29:41] <Ryan_Lane>	 though making it only run in a single datacenter is also doable
[02:29:47] <Ryan_Lane>	 that makes it harder to properly failover though
[02:30:00] <raindrift>	 that makes sense.
[02:30:12] <Ryan_Lane>	 we'd have to do some DNS magic for that
[02:30:26] <Ryan_Lane>	 and it would have to be a different service IP and dns name
[02:30:35] <Ryan_Lane>	 none of that is insurmountable though
[02:30:56] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Cannot login using IE6 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33503  +comment (10Simon)
[02:31:48] <raindrift>	 sure.  we just need to decide which route to take.  anyway, we're going to use this implementation for now since it gets the job done, and i've intentionally built it so it's easy to back it with something else.
[02:32:30] <Ryan_Lane>	 cool
[02:32:56] <raindrift>	 :)
[02:33:13] <raindrift>	 anyway, i go home now.  seeya tomorrow!
[02:33:27] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) "images" directory to be renamed or migrated to "files" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33569  +comment (10fastgoldfish)
[02:33:34] <Ryan_Lane>	 see ya
[02:41:50] <AaronSchulz>	 hmm, UW doesn't work with Opera
[02:41:52] <SteveMobile>	 Hi
[02:42:09] <SteveMobile>	 What's the script that makes js work
[02:42:16] <SteveMobile>	 Extension rather
[02:42:37] <Joan>	 There isn't one.
[02:42:41] <Joan>	 !js
[02:42:41] <mw-bot>	 To set up custom javascript on a wiki, edit the page called [[MediaWiki:Common.js]] (NOT a file, a page on your wiki, which is included via <script>) as a sysop. If $wgAllowUserJs is true in LocalSettings.php, you may also edit the /monobook.js (assuming your skin is monobook) subpage of your userpage. http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Interface/JavaScript
[02:43:04] <SteveMobile>	 I did that
[02:43:08] <SteveMobile>	 On en
[02:43:27] <SteveMobile>	 The syntax is hilighted
[02:43:31] <SteveMobile>	 It's not on mine 
[02:44:01] <Joan>	 Syntax highlighting is completely unrelated to JaavScript functioning.
[02:44:04] <Joan>	 !geshi
[02:44:04] <mw-bot>	 There are several extensions for syntax highlighting, see http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Category:Syntax_highlighting - the most popular one is at http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:SyntaxHighlight_GeSHi
[02:44:21] <Joan>	 JavaScript, too.
[02:54:26] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Extraneous 'John Locke Essay' text appearing in article. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33629 normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (den)
[03:03:55] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Extraneous 'John Locke Essay' text appearing in article. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33629  +comment (10MZMcBride)
[03:05:41] <codurr>	 03laner * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/108489> 10/trunk/extensions/OpenStackManager/OpenStackNovaProject.php: Only edit the SAL if it doesn't have the template text. Fixes bug 33619.
[03:05:49] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) Modification of projects causes project SALs to be overwritten - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33619  +comment (10Ryan Lane)
[03:09:37] <Teststudent>	 Extension:CheckUser.... I understand this isn't the best channel for advice, but is anyone available for help regarding this extension? 
[03:14:02] <Teststudent>	 anyone? bueller?
[03:15:02] <Teststudent>	 *okay* :(
[03:18:51] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Incorrect use of wfMsg in Linker.php, or parser cache bug - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33630 minor; MediaWiki: Internationalization; (lowzl)
[03:23:27] <codurr>	 03johnduhart * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/108490> 10/trunk/extensions/CentralAuth/WikiSet.php: Readding a property that was removed in r71290
[03:26:35] <johnduhart>	 extensions/WindowsAzureSDK/
[03:26:42] <johnduhart>	 aaahhhhh so much shit
[03:50:12] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Enable Narayam using URL params - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33603  +comment (10junu.pv+public)
[03:58:34] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) [SF] Special:RunQuery error takes down pages using it - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33424  +comment (10fastgoldfish)
[03:59:38] <Aaron|home>	 johnduhart: is this about jenkins?
[04:05:24] <johnduhart>	 Aaron|home: No it's just a anothe huge library added to svn
[04:05:34] <Aaron|home>	 it broke jenkins if you didn't know
[04:05:34] <tsujiban>	 I had a mediawiki site that I didn't use much, which I just deleted today.  I hadn't looked at it in a few days, and then today when I opened it up, all my stuff was gone, and the front page had been replaced by some "this site is now located _here_" with some link to some page about some thermal coating something or other.  I saw that there were 10 new users who had made over 500 new pages, and it was all sorts of junk links to oth
[04:05:43] <Aaron|home>	 class $Name$Scaffolder
[04:05:44] <Aaron|home>	 	extends Microsoft_WindowsAzure_CommandLine_PackageScaffolder_PackageScaffolderAbstract
[04:05:46] <Aaron|home>	 {
[04:05:48] <Aaron|home>	 lint fail
[04:06:22] <Aaron|home>	 that some quality code
[04:06:23] <tsujiban>	 is that some sort of SEO strategy, to hijack wikis for profit or something?
[04:07:04] <Aaron|home>	 all unmaintained wikis get taken over by spam
[04:07:25] <Aaron|home>	 that's why people should lock wikis that aren't in use anymore
[04:07:40] <Aaron|home>	 johnduhart: so that's valid PHP or something?
[04:07:46] <tsujiban>	 yeah, I understand that part, I'm just curious as to what they actually do with all those links.  is it for financial gain or what?
[04:08:02] <johnduhart>	 Aaron|home: hah
[04:08:10] <johnduhart>	 Did even realize it was that broken
[04:08:22] <Aaron|home>	 http://integration.mediawiki.org/ci/job/MediaWiki-lint/102/console
[04:10:34] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) "images" directory to be renamed or migrated to "files" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33569  +comment (10admin)
[04:13:16] <tsujiban>	 ah well, thanks for the reply anyways aaron.  :)
[04:14:51] <Aaron|home>	 tsujiban: one can ask that question about all spam :)
[04:15:07] <Aaron|home>	 it's super cheap to spam wikis, so only a small return can be worth it
[04:15:24] <tsujiban>	 yeah no worries, i'm just glad i saw it today rather than a month from now when god only knows what they would have put on there!
[04:16:09] <tsujiban>	 thanks man later, happy new year :)
[04:20:45] <tjf>	 if I were to have an array of three servers, and I uploaded a file to MediaWiki, would space be used on all three, or just one?
[04:25:32] <codurr>	 03santhosh * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/108491> 10/trunk/phase3/ (2 files in 2 dirs):
[04:25:32] <codurr>	 Make the javascript implementation of Macedonian(mk) plural consistant with php side rule.
[04:25:32] <codurr>	 Add a todo in php code since the rules differs from CLDR definition for mk plural.
[04:32:54] <tr|nn|>	 I ran update.php on my local dewiki-dump and am looking at one line since almost 24h: "Making pl_namespace, tl_namespace and il_to indices UNIQUE... " -- what is update.php doing? Is there a way I can configure my mysql-server to allow better/faster processing?
[04:33:47] <tr|nn|>	 it is an old dump as of 20111009 -- one before mw 1.18 i guess
[04:34:24] <codurr>	 03jdpond * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/108492> 10/trunk/extensions/NSFileRepo/NSFileRepo_body.php: fixed compatibility of NSOldLocalFile::purgeThumbnails() and NSLocalFile::purgeThumbnails() with revised LocalFile::purgeThumbnails() in r107789 (reedy) to actually use $options in query
[04:45:05] <SteveMobile>	 Issue
[04:45:17] <SteveMobile>	 Using extra namespaces
[04:45:18] <SteveMobile>	 Ir
[04:45:20] <SteveMobile>	 Ie
[04:45:28] <SteveMobile>	 16: data
[04:45:37] <SteveMobile>	 Works fine, page tab says data
[04:45:38] <SteveMobile>	 But
[04:45:44] <SteveMobile>	 17: data talk
[04:45:59] <SteveMobile>	 When I try to create a page in that space it has "page" at the top
[04:46:07] <SteveMobile>	 Doesn't recognize it's a talk page
[04:46:09] <SteveMobile>	 Ideas?
[04:57:12] <tr|nn|>	 any hint what update.php is doing when outputting "Making pl_namespace, tl_namespace and il_to indices UNIQUE..." ? I'd like to see the sql-query to see if I can optimize my server's config for it..
[05:00:56] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) Better validation for Type:URL and Type:Email - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/13884  +comment (10badon)
[05:01:01] <advorak>	 howdy, y'all!  I am using ubuntu, nginx, php4-cgi, fastcgi ? phpinfo(); tells me that the mysql driver is working, yet when I run the mediawiki installation it complains that it cannot find a suitable database driver.  What might I be overlooking? :-)
[05:01:44] <steevithak>	 Anyone here familiar with the HotCat gadget? I'm trying to get it working on our MW but have gotten stuck.
[05:03:31] <codurr>	 03santhosh * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/108493> 10/trunk/phase3/resources/mediawiki.language/languages/se.js: Make the plural rules consistant with the rules in LanguageSe.php.
[05:04:29] <Joan>	 tr|nn|: Check the maintenance directory. There's a patch file in there somewhere. update.php just runs those patches against your DB.
[05:04:42] <Joan>	 Adding a unique index on a very large table (or large tables) will take a long time.
[05:04:49] <Joan>	 It has to create a copy of the table, I think?
[05:05:01] <Joan>	 steevithak: Did you install the Gadgets extension?
[05:05:15] <Joan>	 steevithak: And did you copy over the relevant pages into your "MediaWiki" namespace?
[05:06:00] <steevithak>	 Joan, yes got the gadget extension install and working. I followed as best I could the rather vague instruction here: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Gadget-HotCat#Using_the_Commons_version_of_HotCat_on_another_wiki
[05:06:59] <steevithak>	 I'm unclear on the difference between "creating a local page" and "writing a local page" so that may be part of my problem.
[05:07:47] <Joan>	 They synonymous in this context, I think.
[05:08:28] <steevithak>	 Ok, cool, not sure what I did wrong then. The gadget tab shows up in preference and I can check hotcat but it doesn't do anything.
[05:08:56] <Joan>	 Your browser has an error console for JavaScript errors.
[05:08:58] <Joan>	 Check that?
[05:09:05] <steevithak>	 Here's the js page: http://camera-wiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Gadget-HotCat.js
[05:10:10] <steevithak>	 yow, getting a massive number of js errors, mostly  of type "unknown property zoom, declaration dropped."
[05:10:19] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Make it possible to automatically add pages to watchlist when adding a new section - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33582  +comment (10tim)
[05:10:39] <steevithak>	 lots of "expected 'important' but found 'ie'" errors too
[05:11:13] <Joan>	 Those are CSS errors.
[05:11:27] <Joan>	 Or warnings, really.
[05:11:29] <Joan>	 Ignore those.
[05:11:32] <Joan>	 Do you haev a link to your wiki?
[05:11:37] <steevithak>	 here's the local_defaults page: http://camera-wiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Gadget-HotCat.js/local_defaults
[05:11:53] <steevithak>	 main page is http://camera-wiki.org
[05:12:55] <Amgine>	 <hugs Joan and runs away>
[05:13:55] <codurr>	 03santhosh * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/108494> 10/trunk/phase3/resources/mediawiki.language/languages/sma.js: Make the plural rules for Southern Sami consistant with the rules in LanguageSma.php
[05:14:21] * Joan  licks Amgine.

[05:14:32] <Joan>	 steevithak: I don't think you have jQuery, as you're running 1.17.
[05:14:42] <Joan>	 So mw.loader.load() probably isn't doing anything.
[05:15:29] <Amgine>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/JQuery <- yes xe does.
[05:15:39] <steevithak>	 That means HotCat doesn't work with MW 1.17 and earlier?
[05:15:45] <Amgine>	 <said from far, far away>
[05:17:30] <steevithak>	 Hmmm... this page suggest MW 1.16+ have jQuery: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/JQuery
[05:18:25] <steevithak>	 Maybe I must do something to turn on jQuery in the LocalSettings.php?
[05:18:50] <Amgine>	 Not exactly. Have you enabled user js?
[05:19:13] <steevithak>	 Amgine: not sure, how can I find out if it is enabled?
[05:19:19] <Joan>	 It doesn't seem like a JS loading issue.
[05:19:23] <Joan>	 Well, it does.
[05:19:30] <Joan>	 I'm much too tired for this.
[05:20:01] <Amgine>	 $wgAllowUserJs = true;
[05:20:03] <steevithak>	 Haha, I understand, I should have been asleep hours ago! :)
[05:20:48] <steevithak>	 I don't see that directive in LocalSettings.js, I'll add it...
[05:22:33] <steevithak>	 ok, enabled it, forced page refresh, still not seeing anything hopeful
[05:24:13] <Amgine>	 HotCaptcha is loading for me, just a second let me test.
[05:24:23] <steevithak>	 One thing that didn't make sense to me: instruction say to specify "HotCat.js" on the MediaWiki:Gadgets-definition page, but on the MediaWiki:Gadget-HotCat.js page, it has me loading the js remotely from wikimedia.org
[05:24:44] <Amgine>	 Ah, I am not allowed to edit.
[05:25:11] <tr|nn|>	 Joan, thanks a bunch. located the sucker: patch-pl-tl-il-unique.sql
[05:25:23] <Joan>	 Amgine: Vandal.
[05:25:49] <tr|nn|>	 I guess it would be a good idea to move my tmp to /dev/shm... mysqltuner reports 54 temporary tables... and my tmp is on the same hdd as /var
[05:27:03] <tr|nn|>	 => no more than 8mb/s write currently. and update.php needs to go through a dewiki-dump.... i guess that will take ages?
[05:28:20] <Joan>	 I guess.
[05:29:29] <Dantman>	 1.16 required a call to OutputPage::includeJQuery() in order for jQuery to be loaded
[05:29:36] <Dantman>	 Additionally the version in 1.16 is quite old
[05:29:38] <Amgine>	 bah, why can I not find an English -> Gothic translator when I want to make a terrible pun at Joan's expense?
[05:29:42] <Dantman>	 It doesn't even hvae the .delegate method
[05:30:01] <tr|nn|>	 Europe seems to be waking up, .. or still up?
[05:30:13] <steevithak>	 Dantman: does 1.17 require anything special to load jQuery?
[05:30:18] <Dantman>	 Not sure
[05:30:33] <Dantman>	 I think 1.17 was the start of a lot of core code depending on jQuery
[05:31:30] <tr|nn|>	 Good morning to everyone in Europe :)
[05:32:27] <Amgine>	 steevithak: when you say "it doesn't do anything", have you looked at a page which already has at least one category?
[05:32:55] <steevithak>	 Amgine: I believe so, for example: http://camera-wiki.org/wiki/Bencini_Comet
[05:33:56] <Amgine>	 steevithak: did you put this statement in LocalSettings.php? -> $wgAllowUserJs = true;
[05:35:11] <steevithak>	 Amgine: yes, I've added that. No change.  I'm now trying to figure out if jQuery is loading (or even present in 1.17 - can't find the actual files anywhere yet)
[05:35:36] <Amgine>	 Well, I'm seeing HotCat via adblock plus.
[05:36:11] <steevithak>	 Amgine: not sure what that means? Are you saying you see HotCat when you look at the site?
[05:36:36] <Amgine>	 I'm seeing that it is being loaded, yes.
[05:37:05] <steevithak>	 Intersting, how can you tell? You must be seeing something I'm not.
[05:37:07] <Amgine>	 I'm not seeing the effects because I cannot edit on your site, and HotCat is smart enough to know that.
[05:38:06] <steevithak>	 Hmmm... that's odd -  you should be able to edit if you created an account (god knows spammers have no trouble editing!)
[05:39:49] <steevithak>	 If I do a view source and search, I do find a reference to HotCats but none to jQuery
[05:40:21] <Amgine>	 <hmms> I cannot even edit talk page. <shrug>
[05:40:57] <Amgine>	 http://camera-wiki.org/load.php?debug=false&lang=en&modules=jquery%7Cmediawiki&only=scripts&skin=vector&version=20110608T121000Z
[05:41:39] <steevithak>	 Weird. Does it give you an error message? Now I'm worried installing HotCat broke something important. :(
[05:42:21] <Amgine>	 Nope. You might want to look at the user permissions in your site; it may be requiring email confirmation before edit privileges are allowed.
[05:42:54] <steevithak>	 ah, yes, definitely requires captcha and email conf before editing is allowed
[05:43:07] <Amgine>	 Yep. Confirmed it and can edit.
[05:44:24] <steevithak>	 yay, feeling relieved now :)
[05:44:27] <Amgine>	 But cannot create User:Amgine/common.js
[05:44:45] <SteveMobile>	 Bleh
[05:45:10] <Amgine>	 except when I create my own link
[05:45:32] <steevithak>	 is that bad? 
[05:48:18] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Link "Read" to the article section when editing sections - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33631 normal; MediaWiki: Page editing; (tim)
[05:49:47] <jeblad>	 Hi, strange thing at no.wp.. There is a template using <includeonly> and categories with REVISIONYEAR and REVISIONMONTH. It sems like REVISION* isn't defined inside <includeonly> and/or category. I guess there is a worker process involved.
[05:49:58] <Amgine>	 steevithak: It just means someone has edited one of your mediawiki messages.
[05:50:06] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Link "Read" to the article section when editing sections - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33631  normal->15enhancement (10Tim Landscheidt)
[05:50:34] <Amgine>	 For some reason, steevithak, we're not getting remote loads to work, but manually copying the gadget worked.
[05:50:35] <jeblad>	 I rfewrote the template to use ifeq to avoid <includeonly> and then the category works as expected.
[05:51:52] <steevithak>	 Amgine: ok, cool. so that means I need to  replace the contents of this page: http://camera-wiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Gadget-HotCat.js
[05:51:53] <jeblad>	 But the template is now changed, but the errors from before seems to continue to show up in the category http://no.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kategori:Stubber_-00
[05:52:06] <Amgine>	 steevithak: Go ahead and copy my common.js to the gadget's .js page. You will want to troubleshoot this later, to get translations, but for now it will work.
[05:52:50] <jeblad>	 So somehow the articles that uses the template does not get updated when it changes.
[05:53:39] <jeblad>	 Purging the articles will not fix the problem, but doing a null-edit will.
[05:53:56] <steevithak>	 Amgine: ok, working on it now...
[05:54:44] <Amgine>	 <rolls Joan's tongue up>
[05:55:38] <jeblad>	 Any ideas? Anyone that know about a related bug?
[05:56:41] <steevithak>	 Amgine: yes, that seems to be working for me too. So that means the problem was in the mw.loader.load() call to load the js from commons.wikimedia.org?
[05:56:54] <Amgine>	 <nods>
[05:57:16] <Amgine>	 It loads something, but apparently not what you wanted.
[05:58:01] <steevithak>	 Interesting, I'll have to figure out how to diagnose that. I assume it's better to load the canonical copy of the code so it's always the latest version
[05:58:07] <Amgine>	 Oh, and I have a Pentax 110 with extrabits in not-working order I should give to someone...
[05:58:23] <Amgine>	 (film advance cog stripped)
[05:58:58] <steevithak>	 Amgine: perfect timing - Jan 10 is 110 Camera day when everyone drags out their old 110s and shoots some photos 
[05:59:29] <Amgine>	 Heh. Where are they finding the film?
[06:00:03] <Amgine>	 wait, OT, another time.
[06:00:31] <steevithak>	 It's not easy. Last manufacture stopped making it about two years ago. I got a few expired rolls on eBay 
[06:02:15] <Amgine>	 Anyhoo, nice to have met you steevithak. <heads to bed>
[06:02:36] <steevithak>	 Amgine and Joan - thanks very much for your help! :)
[06:28:15] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) ArticleFeedback settings on Chinese wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33556  +comment (10shizhao)
[06:44:47] <codurr>	 New code comment: Hashar; Well a second parameter should at least raise a development warning.; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/105919#c29235>
[06:48:10] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Categories within includeonly fails to update, REVISIONYEAR/-MONTH might be involved - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33632 normal; MediaWiki: Categories; (jeblad)
[06:52:41] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Categories within includeonly fails to update, REVISIONYEAR/-MONTH might be involved - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33632  (10jeblad)
[06:56:05] <Nish>	 could anyone tell me what this bug is all about?  " Since wikilove is making edits to other users' talk pages, I think there ought to be an "add to watchlist" checkbox, much as there is if one were making the edit entirely manually. I should imagine this will take about 20 minutes, if that, to implement."
[06:56:32] <jorm>	 Won't happen.
[06:57:00] <codurr>	 03nikerabbit * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/108495> 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/TranslateEditAddons.php: Rm unused method
[07:01:37] <codurr>	 03nikerabbit * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/108496> 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/ (README TranslateEditAddons.php): * (bug 33611) Don't unconditionally suppress edit intros
[07:03:29] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) &editintro= should not be suppressed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33611  +comment (10Niklas Laxström)
[07:06:46] <wikibugs>	 14(WFM) Search string is sometimes prefilled in new search box - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/24963  +comment (10Woojin Kim)
[07:09:30] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Incorrect use of wfMsg in Linker.php, or parser cache bug - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33630  +comment (10niklas.laxstrom)
[07:10:46] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Enable Narayam using URL params - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33603  +comment (10niklas.laxstrom)
[07:10:47] <codurr>	 New code comment: Dantman; Huh, development warning. What are you talking about?; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/105919#c29236>
[07:12:32] <codurr>	 New code comment: Nikerabbit; Sincerely, nobody is going to see that TODO in the PHP file. If we want to get it sorted out, we nee; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/108491#c29237>
[07:19:49] <codurr>	 03nikerabbit * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/108497> 10/branches/wmf/1.18wmf1/extensions/Translate/ (README TranslateEditAddons.php): MFT r108496
[07:21:11] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) &editintro= should not be suppressed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33611  +comment (10niklas.laxstrom)
[07:26:35] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Fix Wikipedia icon in Android app - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33013  +comment (10Heather Walls)
[07:27:53] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Enable input method fails on English interface on a English language wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33633 normal; MediaWiki extensions: Narayam; (srik.lak)
[07:27:56] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Enable Narayam using URL params - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33603  (10Srikanth Logic)
[07:29:54] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Enable Narayam using URL params - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33603  +comment (10srik.lak)
[07:39:56] <codurr>	 03nikerabbit * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/108498> 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ (AutoLoader.php GenderCache.php cache/GenderCache.php): Moved GenderCache to cache/
[07:49:44] <amgine_>	 Joan: 𐍅𐌰𐌹, 𐌹𐌺 𐌹𐌼 𐍆𐍂𐌿𐌼𐌹𐍃𐍄𐍃 𐍈𐌰𐍂𐌿𐌷 </vandal mode>
[08:01:32] * Dantman  takes offence to amgine_'s use of a closing element tag with an attribute

[08:09:38] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) [SMW] 1.7 #ask conditions with tab character shows "further results" as external link - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33634 normal; MediaWiki extensions: Semantic MediaWiki; (fastgoldfish)
[08:10:23] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) [SMW] 1.7 #ask conditions with tab character shows "further results" as external link - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33634  normal->trivial (10badon)
[08:25:01] <okidokee>	 I'm trying to import an old mediawiki database into a local copy of phpmyadmin and I'm getting the following error:
[08:25:11] <okidokee>	 Error
[08:25:11] <okidokee>	 SQL query:
[08:25:12] <okidokee>	 --
[08:25:12] <okidokee>	 -- Database: `wiki_database`
[08:25:13] <okidokee>	 --
[08:25:13] <okidokee>	 -- --------------------------------------------------------
[08:25:13] <okidokee>	 --
[08:25:13] <okidokee>	 -- Table structure for table `archive`
[08:25:14] <okidokee>	 --
[08:25:14] <okidokee>	 DROP TABLE IF EXISTS  `archive` ;
[08:25:14] <okidokee>	 MySQL said: 
[08:25:14] <okidokee>	 #1046 - No database selected 
[08:25:18] <okidokee>	 Any ideas?
[08:26:10] <okidokee>	 I'm trying to import an old mediawiki database into a local copy of phpmyadmin and I'm getting the following error:
[08:31:32] <codurr>	 New code comment: Bryan; "upload a new version" would break indeed.; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/98430#c29238>
[08:45:51] <Saruman>	 okidokee: have you looked in the database dump?
[08:46:16] <Saruman>	 it should contain something like this:
[08:46:39] <Saruman>	 CREATE DATABASE /*!32312 IF NOT EXISTS*/ `foobar` /*!40100 DEFAULT CHARACTER SET latin1 */;
[08:46:41] <kiskan>	 I see a blank page for any page request on the wiki I installed, bumped up my apache log level to debug, and php error log is on, I can't find enough information in the two logs, Did search on mediawiki.org, found http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Errors_and_symptoms#You_see_a_Blank_Page Tried the suggestions, but no use, can I know how to trace the failure point(s)?
[08:47:25] <Saruman>	 okidokee: then USE `foobar`;
[08:48:13] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Unable to save a page in Wikipedia namespaces on zhwiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33626  +comment (10liangent)
[08:50:04] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Searching for "#" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33628  +comment (10liangent)
[08:51:53] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Explain better the meaning of "By e-mail" button - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/22457  +comment (10epberk)
[08:51:57] <okidokee>	 Saruman, I'm trying to import the database through phpmyadmin and that's what giving me the error. How would I do what you're suggesting
[08:52:15] <Saruman>	 by looking into the file that is your database backup
[08:53:12] <codurr>	 03nikerabbit * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/108499> 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/MessageGroups.php:
[08:53:12] <codurr>	 Use master to not get stale data on Special:PageTranslation
[08:53:12] <codurr>	 Should be fine since the groups are cached
[08:56:36] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Explain better the meaning of "By e-mail" button - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/22457  +comment (10liangent)
[08:57:23] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Explain better the meaning of "By e-mail" button - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/22457  +comment (10liangent)
[08:58:35] <okidokee>	 Saruman, I've got the .sql file open and see the following:
[08:58:36] <okidokee>	 -- Table structure for table `archive`
[08:58:36] <okidokee>	 --
[08:58:37] <okidokee>	 DROP TABLE IF EXISTS `archive`;
[08:58:37] <okidokee>	 CREATE TABLE IF NOT EXISTS `archive` (
[08:58:54] <okidokee>	 What exactly should I change and how will that effect the database?
[08:59:39] <Saruman>	 are these really the top 4 lines?
[09:00:07] <Saruman>	 if so, your backup is incomplete
[09:01:38] <okidokee>	 Wonderful
[09:02:06] <Saruman>	 if you know what you're doing you can still work with it
[09:02:26] <Saruman>	 but you then really should understand MySQL beyond level 101
[09:02:54] <tale>	 kiskan: Did you set  error_reporting( E_ALL );
[09:03:13] <kiskan>	 tale:Yes, it's set
[09:03:25] <okidokee>	 Yeah, I'm not even at that level. I think I just used phpmyadmin to export the database a year ago, and just tried to import it
[09:04:42] <Saruman>	 it might work if a) the original database is still on this machine, and b) you insert the line USE `yourdatabasename`; before the first Drop command
[09:04:55] <tale>	 kiskan: Can you modify the other files in Mediawiki also? 
[09:05:00] <Saruman>	 but as the backup may also be incomplete in other respects, you may bork your setup
[09:05:29] <okidokee>	 alright, I'll look into it. thanks for the help
[09:05:45] <kiskan>	 tale:Every url returns a blank page
[09:18:31] <codurr>	 New code comment: Hashar; What I mean is that calling those methods with a second parameter should trigger an error. \ Something; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/105919#c29239>
[09:30:02] <codurr>	 New code comment: Hashar; Platonides: is this revisions fine with follow up or does it need additional review?; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/99909#c29240>
[09:39:31] <codurr>	 New code comment: Dantman; It's not an error it's a valid pattern. The only thing we should consider an error for is the simple; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/105919#c29241>
[09:41:32] <codurr>	 New code comment: Hashar; doGetFileStat() does not see to return null. So is that really needed? :-); <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/108488#c29242>
[09:44:16] <codurr>	 New code comment: Hashar; Please avoid style/indent change + code change. That make things harder to review.; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/107656#c29243>
[09:57:00] <im>	 hiiiii
[09:58:27] <Alphos>	 and you're PMing me why exactly ?
[09:58:28] <A_proofreader>	 please stop spamming me in query, im
[09:58:31] <A_proofreader>	 10 04:57:28  18im ,n;nlmml
[09:58:40] <im>	 okay
[09:58:41] <tut_>	 hi
[09:58:56] <im>	 hii
[09:59:19] <im>	 is it an opensouc initiative?
[10:00:19] <tut_>	 i have problem to change background in my wikifarm
[10:01:27] <tut_>	 can somebody help me
[10:01:53] <im>	 okay i can...
[10:03:04] <tut_>	 <im> check my site http://sk.elderscrolls.pedie.eu
[10:04:54] <tut_>	 hi alphos
[10:05:25] <im>	 pls write in english
[10:05:32] <im>	 i site
[10:06:09] <im>	 bye
[10:06:22] <tut_>	 what?
[10:10:41] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Incorrect use of wfMsg in Linker.php, or parser cache bug - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33630  +comment (10lowzl)
[11:08:01] <codurr>	 New code comment: Catrope; Is it safe to deploy this revision for one extension (ArticleFeedbackv5 in this case) only while not; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/107261#c29244>
[11:08:45] * Dantman  rolls his eyes

[11:08:51] <Dantman>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Thread:Project:Support_desk/Unknown_skin_problem&lqt_oldid=13845
[11:12:32] <codurr>	 New code comment: Catrope; <pre> \ // I'd really rather have this passed in, to save a query, \ + // and rule out consistency pr; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/106965#c29245>
[11:13:53] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Liquid Thread activation on meta - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33635 normal; Wikimedia: Extension setup; (christophe.henner)
[11:15:10] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Liquid Thread activation on meta - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33635   +shellpolicy; +comment (10p858snake)
[11:15:52] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Liquid Thread activation on meta - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33635  normal->15enhancement (10Reedy)
[11:16:19] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Enable input method fails on English interface on a English language wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33633  normal->15enhancement (10Reedy)
[11:17:21] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Liquid Thread activation on meta - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33635  +comment (10christophe.henner)
[11:21:02] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Liquid Thread activation on meta - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33635  +comment (10p858snake)
[11:21:03] <codurr>	 New code comment: Catrope; Hah, so apparently addJsConfigVars() is in 1.18wmf1. I had no idea. \ <pre> \ + . ' | ' \ </pre> \ Should; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/107803#c29246>
[11:26:28] <Reedy>	 RoanKattouw, please don't tell me you're suprised? :p
[11:27:28] <RoanKattouw>	 Surprised at what now?
[11:27:43] <RoanKattouw>	 Oh, aJCV being in 1.18wm1
[11:27:46] <Reedy>	 Yup
[11:27:51] <Reedy>	 heh
[11:27:56] <RoanKattouw>	 Yeah you've been merging every revision and their mom to 1.18wmf1 haven't you
[11:28:06] <Reedy>	 Not quite
[11:28:21] <Reedy>	 We'll be back to a non frankenstein baby again soon
[11:28:29] <RoanKattouw>	 Guess not; if that were the case we'd call it 'trunk'
[11:28:41] <RoanKattouw>	 So, how many unreviewed revs in phase3 now?
[11:28:49] * RoanKattouw  is doing AFTv5 CR but will move to phase3 CR when done

[11:30:09] <Nikerabbit>	 uu
[11:30:25] <Reedy>	 106
[11:30:30] <tr|nn|>	 If I manually create the indexes listed in patch-pl-tl-il-unique-index.sql ... does update.php fire up that patch again or does it recognize there is an index already?
[11:30:33] <Nikerabbit>	 the localisation team is going to do CR, write unit tests and documentation for two weeks
[11:30:59] <Reedy>	 tr|nn|, it will check if they're there first, yes
[11:36:32] <tr|nn|>	 Reedy: creating those three indexes takes ages. the guys at #mysql pointed me to http://dev.mysql.com/doc/innodb-plugin/1.0/en/innodb-create-index.html which mediawiki might want to consider? I am guessing lots of mw-installations are running on mysql with innodb?
[11:36:48] <codurr>	 New code comment: Catrope; <pre> \ + // Get the link ID \ + $links = array_flip( array_keys( $wgArticleFeedbackv5LinkBuckets['buc; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/107914#c29247>
[11:37:32] <Reedy>	 tr|nn|, You can soon see why we don't use update.php on Wikipedia et al ;)
[11:37:49] <tr|nn|>	 dont tell me it crashes?
[11:37:56] <codurr>	 03nikerabbit * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/108500> 10/branches/wmf/1.18wmf1/extensions/Translate/MessageGroups.php: MFT r108499
[11:38:09] <Reedy>	 no, it just takes a fricken age
[11:38:11] <RoanKattouw>	 tr|nn|: How would "MediaWiki consider" that? It's the same syntax, just with an extra plugin installed
[11:38:27] <Reedy>	 And doesn't play nice with replicated DBs so much
[11:38:56] <RoanKattouw>	 If MW would have to send different SQL statements to trigger it, then sure, but this seems to be purely a matter of what plugins are installed
[11:39:05] <Reedy>	 Indeed
[11:39:13] <Reedy>	 And maybe add a "You may want to.." to the updater
[11:42:32] <codurr>	 New code comment: Catrope; <pre> \ + .html( mw.msg( 'articlefeedbackv5-bottomrighttab-linktext' ) ) \ </pre> \ Should use <code>.tex; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/108039#c29248>
[11:42:39] <tr|nn|>	 I have not read through yet but let me just ask if that is just a matter of a plugin
[11:45:05] <tr|nn|>	 Reedy: How do you do index creation on wikipedia et al? manually firing up each query on a different connection to run them in parallel?
[11:45:20] <Reedy>	 Sort of
[11:45:23] <Reedy>	 Do the slaves first
[11:45:28] <Reedy>	 rotate out the master to then update that
[11:45:59] <Reedy>	 Asher or domas are going to be buy for 1.19 :D
[11:46:08] <Reedy>	 *busy
[11:46:19] <tr|nn|>	 I have no slaves, so how would I do it better than stock update.php?
[11:47:28] <Reedy>	 Other than faffing about renaming tables, adding indexes to clones, and then pulling back in updates (ugh), I don't imagine you really can
[11:47:35] <Reedy>	 Unless stuff like that plugin help
[11:48:16] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Change en.labs.wikimedia.org FlaggedRevs settings to the Finnish Wikipedia ones - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33617  +comment (10Axpde)
[11:51:10] <RoanKattouw>	 Nikerabbit: Are the jqueryMsg changes going to be deployed soon?
[11:51:14] <RoanKattouw>	 Or are they deployed already?
[11:52:14] <RoanKattouw>	 Hmph, they're not deployed
[11:52:24] <Nikerabbit>	 yeah
[11:52:33] <Nikerabbit>	 we haven't planned deployment for them
[11:52:51] <Nikerabbit>	 RoanKattouw: how many weeks is 1.19 still away?
[11:52:57] <RoanKattouw>	 Hmm, I don't think I need them for tomorrow
[11:53:00] <RoanKattouw>	 I don't know
[11:53:01] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Some tables lack unique or primary keys, may allow confusing duplicate data - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/15441  (10Reedy)
[11:53:13] <RoanKattouw>	 It would be nice to have this deployed some time in the next two weeks
[11:54:13] <RoanKattouw>	 I'll look at how easy it would be to merge into 1.18wmf1 when I have time
[11:55:25] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Various tables missing PK when upgraded from ancient versions of MW - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33228  +comment (10sam)
[11:57:13] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Various tables missing PK when upgraded from ancient versions of MW - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33228  (10Reedy)
[12:00:49] <Reedy>	 !schema
[12:00:49] <mw-bot>	 http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Database_layout
[12:01:07] <p858snake|l>	 ugh wikilove allows people to barnstar themselves
[12:01:32] <codurr>	 New code comment: Catrope; <pre> \ + 'articlefeedbackv5-special-add-feedback' => 'Add Your feedback', \ </pre> \ Don't Use Too Many C; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/108482#c29249>
[12:01:58] <Reedy>	 p858snake|l, indeed, self love (joke not mine)
[12:02:35] <p858snake|l>	 Nikerabbit> RoanKattouw: how many weeks is 1.19 still away? <I don't think a date has really other than "Feb", depends how long it takes to get CR under controll then do some testing
[12:03:29] <Nikerabbit>	 it greatly affects what is worth merging to wmf branch
[12:03:46] <Reedy>	 mmm
[12:03:55] <Reedy>	 Of course, 1.19wmf1 is much closer than a 1.19.0 release
[12:05:31] * Reedy  grumbles

[12:06:45] <wikibugs>	 14(WFM) Opera 11.60 on OSX does not have font fallback - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33102  +comment (10Siebrand)
[12:06:48] <Reedy>	 Yay, Krinkle
[12:07:08] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Marking a page for translation should fail gracefully if there are subpages etc. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33636 normal; MediaWiki extensions: Translate; (federicoleva)
[12:07:21] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Marking a page for translation should fail gracefully if there are subpages etc. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33636  (10Nemo_bis)
[12:07:37] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Database layout page needs updating for 1.19 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33637 enhancement; MediaWiki: Documentation; (sam)
[12:07:42] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Documentation is out of date, incomplete (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/1  (10Reedy)
[12:09:24] <Reedy>	 johnduhart, the guy with the missing PK's still has tables removed in 1.4 :D
[12:20:18] <sleepingsword>	 Hi there! i want create a language bar on my mediawiki but am having problems following the information on the http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Template:Languages does anyone have a link for a guide or video i could follow?
[12:24:14] <Daniel_WMDE>	 sleepingsword: it very much depends on which of the hacky solutions for a multilingual wiki you want
[12:24:24] <Daniel_WMDE>	 !multilang
[12:24:24] <mw-bot>	 I don't know anything about "multilang".
[12:24:27] <Daniel_WMDE>	 bah
[12:24:45] <Daniel_WMDE>	 there'S a few extensions to support it, eg MultiLang and Polyglot
[12:25:07] <Daniel_WMDE>	 but you can also do it manually, like mediawiki.org or wikimedia commons does
[12:25:20] <sleepingsword>	 ah ok, i guess ill do that then
[12:25:56] <sleepingsword>	 i was going to create a new page for each translation, but i thought it could/would create the nice language bar automatically
[12:39:52] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Math table doesn't have a PK - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33638 minor; MediaWiki extensions: Math (texvc); (sam)
[12:39:52] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Some tables lack unique or primary keys, may allow confusing duplicate data - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/15441  (10Reedy)
[12:40:14] <p858snake|l>	 sleepingsword: the Translate extension can do that I believe
[12:46:31] <codurr>	 New code comment: Bawolff; I was just thinking, since people want to do funky stuff on preview, and we can't stop them- Maybe w; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/100610#c29250>
[12:48:27] <tr|nn|>	 is there a reason why patches meant to build indexes all have a "DROP INDEX" followed by a "CREATE INDEX", instead of doing a "ALTER TABLE foobar DROP INDEX whatnut, ADD INDEX whatnut soandso" ?
[12:51:38] <RoanKattouw>	 SQLite doesn't support multi-operation ALTER TABLE statements
[12:51:51] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) vary-revision doesn't handle case of categorylink being dependant on {{REVISIONYEAR}} and friends properly - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33632  summary; +comment (10Bawolff)
[12:53:36] <MaxSem>	 whaaa? exe files in our repo?
[12:53:56] <Reedy>	 lolol
[12:54:09] <Reedy>	 tests?
[12:54:24] <tr|nn|>	 RoanKattouw, wouldnt it be considerable to differentiate here between mysql and sqlite bc the alter statement would run much faster when on mysql?
[12:54:43] <RoanKattouw>	 I guess; would it run faster, though?
[12:55:35] <tr|nn|>	 folks at #mysql say it is a very bad idea to drop and create new since the table needs to be completely rebuilt for a drop... as well for a create index
[12:55:40] <MaxSem>	 RoanKattouw, how long does it take for RL to update a module after a file it uses has been changed?
[12:56:02] <RoanKattouw>	 MaxSem: On the cluster, it takes 5-10 mins for the change to take effect
[12:56:35] <MaxSem>	 previously, I've seen it updating immediately on my dev wiki
[12:56:42] <MaxSem>	 now, it doesn't
[13:01:22] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Better validation for Type:URL and Type:Email - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/13884  +comment (10sumanah)
[13:02:21] <tr|nn|>	 RoanKattouw: When using mysql: doing DROP INDEX and ADD INDEX in an ALTER TABLE statement would cause only recreating a table once.. instead of twice when firing DROP INDEX and CREATE INDEX independently. 
[13:02:46] <tr|nn|>	 I'd say that's saving half the time...
[13:03:15] <tr|nn|>	 when running update.php after importing a dump
[13:04:18] <RoanKattouw>	 MaxSem: We do tell browsers to cache for up to 5 mins, but Ctrl+F5 should take care of that
[13:04:31] <RoanKattouw>	 tr|nn|: Ah, yes, that's a good point
[13:05:20] <Reedy>	 SQLite sucks
[13:05:58] * MaxSem  wonders how many instances of SQLite Reedy uses every day

[13:06:21] <tr|nn|>	 RoanKattouw, we are talking about doubletime only for compatibility with sqlite
[13:07:02] <RoanKattouw>	 tr|nn|: Sure, we can probably have separate files for MySQL and SQLite there. It's probably the way it is because no one ever realized the double time thing
[13:07:54] <tr|nn|>	 for now it is only the indexes, so not too much to have as extra patchfiles
[13:08:42] <Reedy>	 MaxSem, obviously knowingly? None
[13:09:07] <MaxSem>	 unnowingly, something like a dozen
[13:09:22] <MaxSem>	 FF, Android, Skype
[13:09:42] <Reedy>	 heh
[13:12:08] <Reedy>	 Pfft, why can't I have mysql to go with my patent infringing non oracle java?
[13:12:56] <tr|nn|>	 RoanKattouw, should I address that to wikitech-l or is it sufficient to have talked about it here so you guys can discuss about having extra MySQL patches for creating indexes?
[13:13:11] <Reedy>	 There's decent reason for doing so
[13:13:19] <Reedy>	 Feel free to open a bug and attach patches to  it :)
[13:14:11] <tr|nn|>	 Reedy, @me or am i witnessing a monologue?
[13:14:15] <tr|nn|>	 *g*
[13:14:20] <MaxSem>	 the patch should preferrably add multi-statement ALTER TABLE support to SQLite (it rewrites SQL extensively already)
[13:15:32] <codurr>	 New code comment: Fomafix; [https://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/skins/common/wikibits.js?revision=107329&vi; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/107329#c29251>
[13:20:11] <tr|nn|>	 Reedy, of course there is decent reason. MaxSem, I am not inside of the mw-code as much as I'D like to...
[13:20:31] <tr|nn|>	 I really would like to help but I am just a newbie here and just getting in
[13:21:46] <tr|nn|>	 ... I'll see if I can dig my nose deeper after my bt
[13:39:22] <Nikerabbit>	 surrur
[13:39:31] <Reedy>	 Who broke Nikerabbit
[13:39:47] <Nikerabbit>	 what do you mean with broke?
[13:39:52] <Reedy>	 surrur!?
[13:44:13] <wikibugs>	 14(DUP) Incorrect use of wfMsg in Linker.php, or parser cache bug - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33630  +comment (10Siebrand)
[13:44:13] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) "Page does not exist" title cached in wrong language - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/32686  +comment (10Siebrand)
[13:44:18] <Tm_T>	 Reedy: didn't you know, when you pull the string back, it gets pulled in slowly with that noise
[13:44:27] <Tm_T>	 Reedy: Nikerabbit is mechanical bunny (;
[13:48:03] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Redlink "page does not exist" is in language of user who posted comment, instead of user who views it - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/28802  +comment (10Siebrand)
[13:49:27] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) change the default Hebrew font - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/30437  +comment (10volker.haas)
[13:49:50] * varnent  thinks it's too early to be in an office

[13:51:41] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) change the default Hebrew font - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/30437  +comment (10amir.aharoni)
[13:52:43] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) change the default Hebrew font - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/30437  +comment (10amir.aharoni)
[13:58:01] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) "Page does not exist" title cached in wrong language - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/32686  +comment (10Siebrand)
[14:02:38] <Reedy>	 Anyone know where the "user_rights" table would come from?
[14:02:55] <Dantman>	 hmmm?
[14:03:10] <Reedy>	 Looking at somebodies old schema
[14:03:17] <Reedy>	 From 1.2 and upgraded through
[14:03:22] <Reedy>	 They've got a "user_rights" table
[14:03:30] <Reedy>	 Just trying to work out where the hell it came from
[14:03:36] <codurr>	 03yaron * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/108501> 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/libs/SemanticForms.js: Follow-up to r108375 - fixes for Javascript for dependent autocompletion
[14:04:29] <Reedy>	 I'm presuming it's from some extension
[14:05:06] <Dantman>	 Nah
[14:05:10] <Dantman>	 Seams it's from 1.4
[14:05:20] <Dantman>	 It was introduced in 1.4 and later killed in 1.5
[14:06:00] <Reedy>	 Ah, you're right
[14:06:02] <Reedy>	 Cheers
[14:06:05] <Reedy>	 Not documented
[14:06:06] * Reedy  grumbles

[14:06:29] <Dantman>	 It had such a short and unloved life
[14:06:46] <Reedy>	 heh
[14:07:34] <Dantman>	 In fact the only comment it ever had was a TODO item ;)
[14:07:41] <codurr>	 03reedy * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/108502> 10/trunk/phase3/includes/installer/MysqlUpdater.php:
[14:07:41] <codurr>	 Noticed looking at schema posted by Joerg in bug 33228
[14:07:41] <codurr>	 It seems many ancient tables (removed mainly in 1.4, and some in 1.6)
[14:07:41] <codurr>	 Kill them with fire, if they've still got unmigrated data in or something, we've got bigger issues!
[14:07:41] <codurr>	 Noticed "user_rights" table is not documented at Manual:Database_layout
[14:10:02] <codurr>	 New code comment: Siebrand; Yes, it's safe from a stability perspective, but you won't have localisation for user language "no".; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/107261#c29252>
[14:11:32] <codurr>	 New code comment: Dantman; Is this really a good idea? I've always thought it was better to leave stray data we don't understan; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/108502#c29253>
[14:13:00] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Redlink "page does not exist" is in language of user who posted comment, instead of user who views it - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/28802  +comment (10robinp.1273)
[14:15:56] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) "Page does not exist" title cached in wrong language - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/32686  +comment (10robinp.1273)
[14:17:49] <tr|nn|>	 Erm, help me, I might be dumb but ... why are indexes dropped before being recreated after all? With a fresh install and a fresh dump imported, shouldn't the indexes already be built during import?
[14:18:13] <Reedy>	 Indeed
[14:18:18] <Reedy>	 We usually don't drop many indexes
[14:18:30] <Reedy>	 If we want to update an index, we'll give the new one a different name
[14:18:33] <Reedy>	 to try and prevent that
[14:19:30] <tr|nn|>	 Reedy, I guess I need to know how to prevent update.php from killing my precious indexes...
[14:20:32] <codurr>	 New code comment: Hashar; Shouldn't getPerformedAction() be part of RequestContext?; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/108343#c29254>
[14:22:02] <codurr>	 New code comment: Hashar; Same issue on r108345; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/108343#c29255>
[14:22:47] <codurr>	 New code comment: Hashar; Just like r108343 , shouldn't getPerformedAction() be part of the RequestContext ? \ That would save ; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/108345#c29256>
[14:23:53] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Some tables lack unique or primary keys, may allow confusing duplicate data - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/15441  +comment (10sam)
[14:24:20] <tr|nn|>	 I might be better off truncating all tables and doing an import of a fresh dump -- but I absolutely need to make sure update.php doesn't drop my indexes later on.
[14:24:33] <tr|nn|>	 When did wp switch to 1.18wmf1 ?
[14:25:31] <Reedy>	 !1.18wmf1
[14:25:32] <mw-bot>	 Branched on 19 September 2011 at r97502 from REL1_18
[14:25:44] <Reedy>	 a bit after that ;)
[14:26:23] <codurr>	 03hashar * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/108503> 10/trunk/phase3/tests/phpunit/includes/filerepo/StoreBatchTest.php:
[14:26:23] <codurr>	 StoreBatchText note about using custom repo
[14:26:23] <codurr>	 follow up r108308
[14:28:39] <tr|nn|>	 Reedy, hm. Have there been significant changes on the indexes since then?
[14:29:15] <Reedy>	 If you look in trunk at includes/installer/MysqlUpdater.php
[14:29:24] <Reedy>	 line 184
[14:29:34] <Reedy>	 all DB changes in trunk since 1.18
[14:34:01] <codurr>	 New code comment: Dantman; I don't believe so. Actions are high-level things specific to this one way we render a page based on; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/108343#c29257>
[14:34:30] <tr|nn|>	 Hm, now I am really asking myself why update.php seemed to have fired patch-pl-tl-il-unique.sql on my db.
[14:35:13] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Math table doesn't have a PK - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33638  +comment (10sam)
[14:36:01] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) vary-revision doesn't handle case of categorylink being dependant on {{REVISIONYEAR}} and friends properly - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33632  (10jeblad)
[14:39:46] <codurr>	 New code comment: Hashar; Krinkle, Roan > can we assume this was peer reviewed between you two and thus mark it ok? :-b; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/108105#c29258>
[14:40:11] <Reedy>	 !branchpoints
[14:40:12] <mw-bot>	 http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Branch_points
[14:41:37] <tr|nn|>	 does update.php offer a simulate mode/flag/setting?
[14:44:01] <liangent>	 hi - will text parsed by api.php?action=parse&text={{sometemplate}} cached in parser cache?
[14:45:14] <tr|nn|>	 I guess if I set $wgAllowSchemaUpdates=false even my own tables don't get created when calling update.php?
[14:45:17] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) "Create a book" and "Download as PDF" don't wrap Chinese or Japanese lines - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33430  +comment (10Volker Haas)
[14:46:39] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) "Create a book" and "Download as PDF" don't wrap Chinese or Japanese lines - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33430  +comment (10volker.haas)
[14:50:11] <wikibugs>	 04(REOPENED) MW1.18 broke Edittools for Special:Upload - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31682  +comment (10Subfader)
[14:51:58] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Language Selector dropdown doesnt load using WebFont - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33639 normal; MediaWiki extensions: WebFonts; (srik.lak)
[14:52:31] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Language Selector dropdown on Special:WebFonts page doesnt load using WebFont - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33639  summary (10Srikanth Logic)
[14:53:08] <wikibugs>	 03(WONTFIX) $wgUseRCPatrol instead of FlaggedRevs on vec.wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33590  +comment (10Marco 27)
[14:55:42] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Language Selector dropdown on Special:WebFonts page doesnt load using WebFont - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33639  (10Siebrand)
[14:57:58] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Language Selector dropdown on Special:WebFonts page doesnt load using WebFont - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33639  +comment (10Santhosh Thottingal)
[14:59:29] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Language Selector dropdown on Special:WebFonts page doesnt load using WebFont - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33639  +comment (10s.mazeland)
[15:04:10] <codurr>	 03reedy * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/108504> 10/trunk/phase3/ (3 files in 2 dirs):
[15:04:10] <codurr>	 Cleanup "text" (nee old) table, dropping old indexes and fields
[15:04:10] <codurr>	 Add oldwatchlist to dropAncientTables
[15:04:35] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) $wgUseRCPatrol instead of FlaggedRevs on vec.wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33590  (10Nemo_bis)
[15:06:02] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) MW1.18 broke Edittools for Special:Upload - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31682  +comment (10subfader)
[15:11:29] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) [SF] Special:RunQuery error takes down pages using it - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33424  +comment (10yaron57)
[15:12:37] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Various tables missing PK when upgraded from ancient versions of MW - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33228  +comment (10sam)
[15:16:31] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Languages must have language text as pangram - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33640 normal; MediaWiki extensions: WebFonts; (srik.lak)
[15:16:50] <Reedy>	 pangram?
[15:16:51] <Reedy>	 parameter?
[15:17:59] <codurr>	 03gregchiasson * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/108505> 10/trunk/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5/api/ApiArticleFeedbackv5.php: Remove boneheaded non-use of insertId in AFTv5 (actually already being used, just not passed into saveUserProperties for some reason). follow up to r106965
[15:19:47] <codurr>	 New code comment: Hashar; See also bug 33228; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/108504#c29259>
[15:23:22] <wikibugs>	 14(DUP) Various tables missing PK when upgraded from ancient versions of MW - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33228  +comment (10Reedy)
[15:23:23] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Some tables lack unique or primary keys, may allow confusing duplicate data - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/15441  +comment (10Reedy)
[15:23:24] <Reedy>	 johnduhart, after all that ^ :D
[15:24:31] <johnduhart>	 Reedy: heh
[15:24:53] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) categorylink being dependant on {{REVISIONYEAR}} and friends doesn't work properly, sometimes. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33632  summary; +comment (10Bawolff)
[15:26:16] <codurr>	 03gregchiasson * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/108506> 10/trunk/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5/ (5 files in 2 dirs): AFTv5 fixes - consistent escaping of translations, fix typo in translations file, and assume values on the maxLength config variable. follow up to r108482
[15:26:32] <codurr>	 New code comment: Catrope; I'm gonna review this today.; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/108105#c29260>
[15:27:19] <hashar>	 RoanKattouw: thanks
[15:27:20] <johnduhart>	 Reedy: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/108490
[15:27:28] <codurr>	 03halfak * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/108507> 10/trunk/tools/wsor/message_templates/ (R/twinkle.R umetrics/postings.py): Fixed the rev_timestamp bug that Ryan pointed out.
[15:27:39] <johnduhart>	 ;)
[15:27:55] <Reedy>	 Pffft
[15:28:17] <hashar>	 can someone else look at $wgDeprecationWhitelist possibly?   https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/106883
[15:28:33] <hashar>	 I am surely going to revert it but would like a third view
[15:28:56] <hashar>	 my objections are the third comments :b
[15:29:37] <ottomata>	 hiya all! (and sumana!)
[15:29:55] <ottomata>	 I'm Andrew Otto, new engineer on the analytics team
[15:29:57] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Languages must have language text as pangram - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33640  +comment (10santhosh.thottingal)
[15:30:03] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Deploy LiquidThreads extension when ready (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/19699  (10Reedy)
[15:30:04] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Liquid Thread activation on meta - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33635  (10Reedy)
[15:30:38] <bawolff>	 Welcome to MediaWiki land ottomata 
[15:30:47] <codurr>	 New code comment: Krinkle; (outdent) \ Okay, took a while but I've updated the wiki at the Windows server, seems like it's still; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/94951#c29261>
[15:30:47] <hashar>	 ottomata: oh yeah, YAAGR
[15:30:59] <hashar>	 ottomata: (Yet Another Awesome Guy Recruited)
[15:31:16] <Reedy>	 ottomata, if you fancy working out if the developers can stop supporting IE6, you'd get much love (especially if the answer is yes) :D
[15:31:27] <hashar>	 welcome around Andrew :-b
[15:32:52] <hashar>	 ottomata: you will have to register your nickname on this IRC network ( I think   /query nickserv help   , should help you )
[15:33:16] <hashar>	 ottomata: then you might want to get a fancy IRC cloaks which will hide your ISP IP / reverse host name. See http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC/Cloaks :b
[15:34:39] <varnent>	 johnduhart: am I remember correctly that you were working on a script that generates nginx config files for mw installs?
[15:34:47] <johnduhart>	 rmoen: You do realize your script makes a call to bugzilla every page load, even when there are no bugs
[15:34:55] <johnduhart>	 varnent: No I'm not :/
[15:35:00] <Reedy>	 lol
[15:35:01] <Reedy>	 lol
[15:35:05] <varnent>	 hmmm….where did I see that...
[15:35:24] <ottomata>	 @ready, ha, um, hasn't everyone else already dropped IE6
[15:35:25] <ottomata>	 ?
[15:35:43] * varnent  would like to transplant the memory abilities of someone else into my brain

[15:36:04] <johnduhart>	 ottomata: Nope. Schools and corporations
[15:36:11] <ottomata>	 aye boo
[15:36:16] <bawolff>	 I thought we didn't support ie6...
[15:36:16] <codurr>	 New code comment: Krinkle; It doesn't happen on all revision pages. Here's an excerpt of all chunk delimiters in a revision tha; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/94951#c29262>
[15:36:19] <ottomata>	 hey, so, I'm trying to get mediawiki commit access so that Diederik can give me a tour of labs
[15:36:31] <ottomata>	 Sumana has set up an account for me
[15:36:40] <ottomata>	 but I'm getting a publickey error right now
[15:36:51] <Reedy>	 ottomata, not quite.... As of October 2011, we had 2.22% usage share
[15:36:58] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) "Create a book" and "Download as PDF" don't wrap Chinese or Japanese lines - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33430  +comment (10yaoziyuan)
[15:37:08] <Reedy>	 We worked out < 1% to drop support I believe
[15:37:12] <Reedy>	 ottomata, key loaded into ssh agent?
[15:37:16] <codurr>	 New code comment: Krinkle; It doesn't happen on all revision pages. Here's an excerpt of all chunk delimiters in a revision tha; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/94951#c29263>
[15:37:31] <RoanKattouw>	 Ryan_Lane: Can you help ottomata with his SVN key problem?
[15:38:45] <ottomata>	 @Reedy, i'm using the CLI ssh, and the default identity file
[15:38:50] <ottomata>	 I don't have problems other places
[15:39:00] <ottomata>	 maybe my public key was not installed quite right?
[15:39:00] <Reedy>	 Right
[15:39:09] <Reedy>	 Just making sure, it wouldn't be the first time it'd happened ;)
[15:39:12] <ottomata>	 aye
[15:39:13] <Ryan_Lane>	 RoanKattouw: no
[15:39:16] <Reedy>	 lol
[15:39:18] <Ryan_Lane>	 RoanKattouw: I'm in 	a class
[15:39:21] <RoanKattouw>	 D'oh, right
[15:39:36] <ottomata>	 Hi Ryan!  I think you are the Ryan that Diederik keeps wanting me to talk to
[15:39:44] <ottomata>	 we'll talk later, have a good class.
[15:39:47] <RoanKattouw>	 I'll ask Sumana
[15:39:49] <Ryan_Lane>	 maybe so. today's a bad day :)
[15:40:06] <ottomata>	 no probs, I'm not working much for WM yet, I'm still phasing out of my old job
[15:40:10] <codurr>	 03hashar * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/108508> 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ (DefaultSettings.php GlobalFunctions.php): (log message trimmed)
[15:40:10] <codurr>	 reverts $wgDeprecationWhitelist
[15:40:10] <codurr>	 There is no point in ignoring a deprecated function. The call really need
[15:40:10] <codurr>	 to be migrated OR the core function should not be deprecated if there is
[15:40:10] <codurr>	 any kind of valid usage.
[15:40:10] <ottomata>	 so I only have a few hours here and there
[15:40:11] <codurr>	 If you really want to hide notifications, uses:
[15:40:12] <codurr>	 $wgDevelopmentWarnings = false;
[15:40:21] <Ryan_Lane>	 RoanKattouw: lots of people have rights
[15:40:26] <Ryan_Lane>	 RoanKattouw: look at puppet to see who
[15:40:44] <RoanKattouw>	 ottomata: So Sumana gave you *SVN* access, correct?
[15:40:48] <ottomata>	 yes
[15:40:56] <RoanKattouw>	 That doesn't necessarily give you ssh access to labs though
[15:41:00] <ottomata>	 right
[15:41:04] <ottomata>	 i'm not trying labs right now
[15:41:05] <ottomata>	 that's later
[15:41:10] <RoanKattouw>	 You are trying to use SVN?
[15:41:17] <Reedy>	 otto as username?
[15:41:20] <ottomata>	 right now i'm just trying to checkout USERINFO
[15:41:23] <ottomata>	 svn checkout svn+ssh://mysterywizard@svn.wikimedia.org/svnroot/mediawiki/USERINFO/ USERINFO
[15:41:23] <ottomata>	 yeah
[15:41:25] <ottomata>	 should be
[15:41:45] <ottomata>	 getting: Permission denied (publickey).
[15:41:46] <Reedy>	 You're using user mysterywizard
[15:41:51] <ottomata>	 DOH
[15:41:53] <Reedy>	 Who isn't a svn user
[15:41:57] <Reedy>	 copy paste fail much? :D
[15:42:01] <ottomata>	 DOH
[15:42:14] <johnduhart>	 hahaha
[15:42:19] <ottomata>	 that works!
[15:42:22] <ottomata>	 doh doh
[15:42:22] <johnduhart>	 You're not the first to do that
[15:42:24] <Reedy>	 :D
[15:42:26] <Reedy>	 Indeed
[15:42:48] <ottomata>	 my local account is otto as well; guess i'm not used to having to  specify username with svn
[15:42:54] <Reedy>	 you don't have to
[15:42:56] <ottomata>	 yeah
[15:42:58] <Reedy>	 if it's the same as your local user
[15:43:05] <Reedy>	 that looks like wiki copy pasta
[15:43:08] <ottomata>	 so i just copy pasted
[15:43:08] <ottomata>	 yeah
[15:43:19] <ottomata>	 i was even trying --username afterwards trying to get it to work right
[15:43:23] <ottomata>	 didn't even see the mysterywizard
[15:43:24] <ottomata>	 doh
[15:43:28] <hashar>	 Reedy: we should create an extension that phase out IE 6
[15:43:33] <ottomata>	 ok, welp thanks all!
[15:43:44] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) categorylink being dependant on {{REVISIONYEAR}} and friends doesn't work properly, sometimes. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33632  +comment (10bawolff+wn)
[15:43:48] <johnduhart>	 hashar: uh, why an extension?
[15:43:49] <Reedy>	 hashar, every page: "alert( 'WTF ARE YOU DOING' );"
[15:43:52] <johnduhart>	 heheh
[15:44:22] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) "Create a book" and "Download as PDF" don't wrap Chinese or Japanese lines - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33430  +comment (10yaoziyuan)
[15:44:23] <hashar>	 something like  if ($REQUEST['user-agent'] ~= /Internet Explorer 6.0/ ) {  body.css("background-color: css"); body.innerHTML( "UPGRADE YOUR BROWSER. K THX !!!11!!BBQ" ); }
[15:44:32] <Reedy>	 Or we install rootkits that installs chrome and firefox
[15:44:52] <hashar>	 johnduhart: I am not sure we want an IE 6 dropper in core :b
[15:45:28] <hashar>	 I am sure we could do something to notify IE6 users 
[15:45:34] <Reedy>	 Central Notice?
[15:45:39] <codurr>	 03otto * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/108509> 10/USERINFO/otto: Adding USERINFO/otto
[15:45:50] <hashar>	 OH YM GOD
[15:46:01] <Reedy>	 ottomata, svn:eol-style native
[15:46:04] <hashar>	 eol-style!!!!!  someone is going to blame you on that ottomata  :)
[15:46:05] <ottomata>	 yeah, did that
[15:46:13] <ottomata>	 oh no!
[15:46:16] <hashar>	 it is kind of a recurring joke
[15:46:17] <ottomata>	 i did the config
[15:46:17] <Reedy>	 :D
[15:46:19] <Reedy>	 Yeah
[15:46:22] <Reedy>	 userinfo is extensionless
[15:46:24] <codurr>	 03rsterbin * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/108510> 10/trunk/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5/modules/jquery.articleFeedbackv5/jquery.articleFeedbackv5.js: Bug fix for r108483 -- no longer reloads the form every time you toggle the overlay
[15:46:30] <ottomata>	 do I have to do it on the file too?
[15:46:35] <Reedy>	 for userinfo yes
[15:46:39] <RoanKattouw>	 For extensionless files, yes
[15:46:40] <ottomata>	 oh no ext
[15:46:40] <Reedy>	 as it doesn't match any rules
[15:46:41] <ottomata>	 yeah
[15:46:51] <RoanKattouw>	 If you put in the config thing, it'll be automatic for most common extensions
[15:47:02] <ottomata>	 yeah
[15:47:02] <codurr>	 New code comment: Hashar; Well done. An almost flawless commit. \ Welcome aboard!; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/108509#c29264>
[15:47:11] <ottomata>	 i noticed there was no .pp extension in the instructinos
[15:47:23] <RoanKattouw>	 Well puppet source isn't managed in SVN anywa
[15:47:26] <ottomata>	 oh no?
[15:47:29] <RoanKattouw>	 It's in git
[15:47:31] <RoanKattouw>	 Thank God
[15:47:34] <ottomata>	 ah cool
[15:47:48] <ottomata>	 is there a mediawiki -> git movement?
[15:48:03] <Reedy>	 yup
[15:48:08] * ^demon  hides

[15:48:11] <Reedy>	 ^
[15:48:18] <RoanKattouw>	 Real Soon Now, I think
[15:48:21] <RoanKattouw>	 After the next release
[15:48:30] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) categorylink being dependant on {{REVISIONYEAR}} and friends doesn't work properly, sometimes. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33632  (10jeblad)
[15:48:59] <hashar>	 ottomata: ^demon is in charge of migration the SVN repo to GIT
[15:49:22] <hashar>	 there is a playground one setup somewhere with google Gerrit as a pre commit frontend
[15:49:28] <^demon>	 My hiding was unsuccessful.
[15:49:30] <^demon>	 :(
[15:49:42] <hashar>	 (Gerrit being a code revision tool build by google for their Android project)
[15:50:00] <RoanKattouw>	 We use Gerrit for puppet code already
[15:50:06] <ottomata>	 i just went through a git changeover at CouchSurfing
[15:50:14] <ottomata>	 it was a little painful for a month or two, but it amazing now
[15:50:14] <hashar>	 \o/
[15:50:17] <codurr>	 New code comment: Jeroen De Dauw; Ok, apparently I need to explain this once more - sort of getting tired of it, this is why I send a ; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/108508#c29265>
[15:50:33] * johnduhart  waves to ^demon

[15:50:42] <ottomata>	 feels a little clunky moving back to svn after that :p
[15:51:41] <RoanKattouw>	 Well you'll get to experience the migration all over again now :)
[15:51:43] <johnduhart>	 ottomata: There's always git-svn'
[15:51:47] <johnduhart>	 :)
[15:51:53] <ottomata>	 yeah, but meh
[15:51:54] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) "Create a book" and "Download as PDF" don't wrap Chinese or Japanese lines - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33430  +comment (10yaoziyuan)
[15:52:04] <ottomata>	 I think I'll just wait, heh
[15:52:17] <codurr>	 New code comment: Hashar; Oh no. This one is cause dateMenu is really broken. Not the test.; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/108356#c29266>
[15:52:24] <ottomata>	 http://svn.wikimedia.org/users.php
[15:52:28] <ottomata>	 should I put Ready For Git
[15:52:33] <ottomata>	 somewhere in my USERINFO file?
[15:53:02] <^demon>	 No.
[15:53:10] <ottomata>	 mmmk
[15:53:10] <^demon>	 That's a quick and dirty hack I was using.
[15:53:18] <johnduhart>	 Reedy: Post-1.19 release I want to talk about reorganising production's configuration. After building the deployment-prep system, it's clear we need to rethink this for testlabs
[15:53:24] <ottomata>	 whelp ^demon, I am ready for git, so you may hack me so
[15:53:38] <johnduhart>	 Reedy: Who would be a good person to speak to about that?
[15:54:13] <RoanKattouw>	 johnduhart: Probably a collection of people, including Tim, Reedy, ^demon and myself
[15:54:20] <RoanKattouw>	 wikitech-l?
[15:54:29] <codurr>	 03otto * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/108511> 10/USERINFO/otto: USERINFO/otto - adding eol-style on my file, also adding some more info
[15:54:33] <johnduhart>	 RoanKattouw: Definately wikitech-l
[15:54:55] <sheperson>	 Hey guys. Do you have any idea where should one start to contribute to Mediawiki?
[15:54:56] * ^demon  should go back to bed before he gets volunteered for something else

[15:54:56] <johnduhart>	 I'll make a post this week about it so we can plan to start post release
[15:55:07] <RoanKattouw>	 !hacker | sheperson 
[15:55:07] <mw-bot>	 sheperson: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/How_to_become_a_MediaWiki_hacker
[15:55:28] <codurr>	 03rsterbin * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/108512> 10/trunk/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5/modules/ext.articleFeedbackv5/ext.articleFeedbackv5.js: Fix for r108039; link text should be escaped
[15:55:55] <RoanKattouw>	 Given that I every person I just listed lives in a different country, yeah, wikitech-l is probably best :)
[15:56:54] <ottomata>	 Hey, one more thing
[15:57:02] <ottomata>	 step 6:
[15:57:03] <ottomata>	 Have a coder link your SVN account to your wiki account
[15:57:17] <ottomata>	 I think Sumana may have already done this
[15:57:17] <ottomata>	 not sure
[15:57:20] <Reedy>	 She has
[15:57:22] <ottomata>	 ok cool
[15:57:27] <RoanKattouw>	 Let's see
[15:57:38] <ottomata>	 I"ve got two wiki accounts it looks like, I think she used my global wikipedia Ottomata one
[15:57:40] <ottomata>	 which is cool
[15:57:45] <ottomata>	 I think I also have Aotto on Mediawiki
[15:57:47] <codurr>	 New code comment: Rsterbin; I've fixed the .html()/.text() issue. Adding classes with .addClass() rather than in the html was p; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/108039#c29267>
[15:57:51] <ottomata>	 maybe I'll just let that one die
[15:57:59] <RoanKattouw>	 Author:	otto
[15:58:00] <RoanKattouw>	 This author is linked to the wiki user Ottomata (Talk | contribs | block) (unlink?)
[15:58:13] <ottomata>	 Cool!
[15:58:39] <ottomata>	 ok, thanks everybody!  I'll work with Diedereik (and Ryan?) to get into labs later
[15:58:46] <ottomata>	 back to work for my other job now
[15:59:00] <codurr>	 03yaron * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/108513> 10/tags/extensions/AdminLinks/REL_0_1_6/: Tag for version 0.1.6
[15:59:05] <ottomata>	 nice to meet you all!
[15:59:14] <ottomata>	 oh, btw, I'll be in SF for the entire month of February
[15:59:22] <ottomata>	 I'll still be doing some work for CouchSurfing then, but I should be about half time for each
[15:59:31] <ottomata>	 so hopefully I'll meet a bunch of you then
[15:59:39] <ottomata>	 laters!
[16:01:26] <Reedy>	 johnduhart, you could actually fix our config system so most of it isn't 2 huge php files :D
[16:01:39] <johnduhart>	 I'd like to :D
[16:01:45] <RoanKattouw>	 ottomata: Out of curiosity, where do you live now?
[16:02:46] <KPu3uC_B_Poccuu>	 Hi everyone. In Russian Wikipedia we got very strange file (http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/File::Sibirenergo.gif). When we found it it has been without related page. As logs says it never was deleted. Problem was solved by creating the file page. What was that?
[16:02:47] <codurr>	 New code comment: Catrope; <pre> \ + $showUnansweredFilter = '<label for="fbd-filters-show-unanswered" id="fbd-filters-type-show; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/108187#c29268>
[16:03:13] <KPu3uC_B_Poccuu>	 Sorry, http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Sibirenergo.gif.
[16:03:29] <RoanKattouw>	 KPu3uC_B_Poccuu: It's possible that there was some database hiccup while creating or deleting the file, that caused the file to have no description page
[16:04:57] <KPu3uC_B_Poccuu>	 how to check it?
[16:05:03] <RoanKattouw>	 That sort of thing is known to happen from time to time
[16:05:10] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) "Create a book" and "Download as PDF" don't wrap Chinese or Japanese lines - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33430  +comment (10yaoziyuan)
[16:07:07] <RoanKattouw>	 Yup, I'm pretty sure that happened
[16:07:15] <RoanKattouw>	 The file was uploaded in 2008, the description page was created in 2012
[16:08:02] <RoanKattouw>	 There is no deletion log entry either, the only log entry for the file is the original upload log entry from 2008: https://ru.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%D0%A1%D0%BB%D1%83%D0%B6%D0%B5%D0%B1%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%8F%3ALog&type=&user=&page=%D0%A4%D0%B0%D0%B9%D0%BB%3ASibirenergo.gif&year=&month=-1&tagfilter=&hide_review_log=1
[16:08:19] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) "Create a book" and "Download as PDF" don't wrap Chinese or Japanese lines - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33430  +comment (10yaoziyuan)
[16:09:03] <KPu3uC_B_Poccuu>	 yes, but how it's possible to upload a file without marking it's description page as existing (creating it)?
[16:10:06] <RoanKattouw>	 It's not, usually
[16:10:13] <RoanKattouw>	 Except due to a software bug that occurs sometimes
[16:11:15] <ottomata>	 Roan: I live in Brooklyn, NY right now
[16:11:32] <RoanKattouw>	 D'oh, right
[16:11:34] <RoanKattouw>	 Sumana said so
[16:11:58] <KPu3uC_B_Poccuu>	 Ok, I'll go to my native project. Thanks for help, bye.
[16:11:59] <RoanKattouw>	 Or at least she said she met you and that you were geographically close to her
[16:12:13] <ottomata>	 yeah, we were actually both in the same cafe when Robla sent out the intro email
[16:13:45] <codurr>	 03yaron * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/108515> 10/tags/extensions/ExternalData/REL_1_3_5/ (. ExternalData.php ExternalData.php README README): Tag for version 1.3.5
[16:14:25] * robla  plans to read backlog after this meeting gets out

[16:18:02] <codurr>	 New code comment: Catrope; <pre> \ + var count = $( 'input[type=checkbox].fbd-filters-check').length; \ + if(count > 1) { \ </pre> \ ; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/108275#c29269>
[16:19:20] <sumanah>	 ottomata: hi!
[16:19:27] <sumanah>	 ottomata: did you get your problem solved wrt SVN?
[16:19:30] <sumanah>	 and/or Labs?
[16:19:35] <Reedy>	 bad username for svn
[16:19:40] <Reedy>	 commited his userinfo
[16:19:43] * hashar  loves PHP error messages:   Errors parsing foo.php

[16:19:48] <hashar>	 that's it
[16:19:49] <Reedy>	 and then fixed his svn:eol-style native :d
[16:19:50] <hashar>	 :(
[16:20:20] <ottomata>	 sumana: yup!
[16:20:32] <ottomata>	 copy/paste doh
[16:20:43] <sumanah>	 ok, good.  
[16:21:11] <sumanah>	 ottomata: welcome to #mediawiki btw.
[16:21:15] <ottomata>	 thank youuuuu
[16:21:38] <ottomata>	 sumana: what are you SF dates?  
[16:21:42] <ottomata>	 I'll be there on the 26th
[16:22:01] <sumanah>	 ottomata: you may find http://svn.wikimedia.org/users.php and (moreso) http://toolserver.org/~krinkle/wikimedia-svn-users.php useful as a directory
[16:22:12] <sumanah>	 ottomata: pm
[16:23:02] <sumanah>	 ottomata: thank you for putting info on https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Ottomata
[16:23:12] <sumanah>	 "Data data data data data."  Wheee!
[16:25:29] <blobaugh>	 hexmode: you around?
[16:25:54] <hexmode>	 blobaugh: for you? anytime! ;)
[16:26:15] <blobaugh>	 hexmode: aww. you available to help me test Google Hangout?
[16:26:30] <codurr>	 03yaron * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/108516> 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/ (SemanticForms.php includes/SF_ParserFunctions.php): Removed 'LanguageGetMagic' code - no longer needed, since MW < 1.16 support was removed
[16:26:41] <hexmode>	 blobaugh: sure, email for invite?
[16:26:49] <RoanKattouw>	 ottomata: Oh are you in town starting Jan 26? I'll be in SF until the 28th, so I'll get to meet you then
[16:26:56] <sumanah>	 blobaugh: you should tell markus to get into #mediawiki more often
[16:27:03] <ottomata>	 cool!  Yup, I'll be in the office on the 26th and the 27th
[16:27:10] <blobaugh>	 sumanah: was he here at all?
[16:27:20] <sumanah>	 blobaugh: every once in a blue moon he comes in
[16:27:26] <blobaugh>	 hexmode: dunno, never used it before. do i add you to my G+?
[16:27:46] <hexmode>	 blobaugh: mhershberger@wikimedia should work
[16:27:49] <blobaugh>	 sumanah: alright, i will poke him about it
[16:28:19] <sumanah>	 thanks blobaugh :-)  just a suggestion as I miss him and like being able to talk realtime with him about extensions, mentoring new devs, etc
[16:29:40] <jdpond>	 Hey ^demon, thanks for going in and cleaning up NSFileRepo - in all fairness, I just copied a lot of the stuff TimStarling did - including the static calls which were (at the time) a limitation of PHP in the tiered object overload necessary to use FileRepo.  I updated to eliminate  some minor compatibility warnings and it now works with trunk.  Thanks!
[16:29:52] <blobaugh>	 sumanah: he is a sharp guy. i have enjoyed working with him
[16:30:16] <blobaugh>	 hexmode: get anything? no idea if i am doing this right
[16:31:07] <hexmode>	 blobaugh: no?  what email is your g+ email? pm me?
[16:33:02] <codurr>	 New code comment: RobLa-WMF; \o/; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/108509#c29270>
[16:33:08] <wikibugs>	 14(INVALID) Languages must have language text as pangram - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33640  +comment (10Srikanth Logic)
[16:34:14] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Languages must have language text as pangram - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33640  +comment (10s.mazeland)
[16:35:13] <hashar>	 !globals
[16:35:13] <mw-bot>	 I don't know anything about "globals". You might try: !evilglobals 
[16:35:16] <hashar>	 !global
[16:35:16] <mw-bot>	 I don't know anything about "global". You might try: !centralauth !evilglobals !serversuperglobal !wf !yoda 
[16:35:19] <hashar>	 !evilglobals
[16:35:20] <mw-bot>	 Things that if you add when there are other ways to get the information, ^demon will kill you. See <https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=23307> for example.
[16:35:52] <hashar>	 !alias globals evilglobals
[16:35:53] <mw-bot>	 To create simple URLs (such as the /wiki/PAGENAME style URLs on Wikimedia sites), follow the instructions at <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL>. There are instructions for most different webserver setups. If you have problems getting the rewrite rules to work, see !rewriteproblem
[16:35:59] <hexmode>	 blobaugh: sent out an invite
[16:35:59] <hashar>	 !alias
[16:35:59] <mw-bot>	 To create simple URLs (such as the /wiki/PAGENAME style URLs on Wikimedia sites), follow the instructions at <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL>. There are instructions for most different webserver setups. If you have problems getting the rewrite rules to work, see !rewriteproblem
[16:36:02] <hashar>	 !aliases
[16:36:03] <mw-bot>	 I don't know anything about "aliases".
[16:36:13] <hashar>	 I am not made to talk with bots
[16:36:14] <sumanah>	 hashar: you can /query mw-bot
[16:36:16] <hexmode>	 blobaugh: do you see it on http://plus.google.com/
[16:36:20] <hexmode>	 ?
[16:36:24] <sumanah>	 hashar: or explore http://toolserver.org/~mwbot/botbrain.html
[16:36:26] <hashar>	 sumanah: ohh did not know thanks
[16:37:31] <blobaugh>	 hexmode: not yet
[16:38:00] <codurr>	 03reedy * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/108517> 10/trunk/extensions/WindowsAzureSDK/lib/PHPAzure/library/Microsoft/WindowsAzure/CommandLine/Scaffolders/ScaffoldTemplateScaffolder/resources/index.php:
[16:38:00] <codurr>	 [apply] PHP Parse error: syntax error, unexpected T_VARIABLE, expecting
[16:38:00] <codurr>	 T_STRING in
[16:38:00] <codurr>	 /var/lib/jenkins/jobs/MediaWiki-lint/workspace/mw-extensions/WindowsAzureSDK/lib/PHPAzure/library/Microsoft/WindowsAzure/CommandLine/Scaffolders/ScaffoldTemplateScaffolder/resources/index.php
[16:38:00] <codurr>	 on line 10
[16:38:00] <codurr>	 [apply] Errors parsing /var/lib/jenkins/jobs/MediaWiki-lint/workspace/mw-extensions/WindowsAzureSDK/lib/PHPAzure/library/Microsoft/WindowsAzure/CommandLine/Scaffolders/ScaffoldTemplateScaffolder/resources/index.php
[16:38:20] <blobaugh>	 oh nice...
[16:38:22] <hexmode>	 blobaugh: now?
[16:38:58] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Math table doesn't have a PK - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33638  +comment (10Tim Landscheidt)
[16:39:02] <codurr>	 New code comment: Reedy; See r108517... Breaks out lint tests; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/108463#c29271>
[16:39:26] <blobaugh>	 hexmode: now i see it three times :S
[16:39:38] <hexmode>	 I try very hard ;)
[16:39:57] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Math table doesn't have a PK - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33638  +comment (10sam)
[16:40:34] <codurr>	 03yaron * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/108514> 10/trunk/extensions/ExternalData/ (ExternalData.php README): New version: 1.3.5
[16:41:40] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) drop $wgUseSiteJs global - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33641 normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (hashar)
[16:41:47] <Amgine>	 Sumanah: sick day here. Will keep an eye on e-mail, but probably not in IRC.
[16:41:57] <sumanah>	 OK, thanks Amgine.  Thanks for your thorough email earlier.
[16:42:00] <sumanah>	 Amgine: and get well soon!
[16:42:13] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) drop $wgUseSiteJs global - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33641  (10Antoine "hashar" Musso)
[16:42:14] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Reduce use of global and public variables (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/9968  (10Antoine "hashar" Musso)
[16:43:01] <codurr>	 New code comment: Hashar; Also logged bug 33641 to get ride of $wgUseSiteJs while we are at it.; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/107777#c29272>
[16:43:23] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Tracking bug (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/2007  (10Reedy)
[16:43:26] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Reduce use of global and public variables (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/9968  (10Reedy)
[16:46:31] <codurr>	 New code comment: Reedy; Follows up r108463; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/108517#c29273>
[16:47:02] <codurr>	 New code comment: Reedy; Feel free to fix it in another way if you deem it appropriate; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/108463#c29274>
[16:49:20] <sumanah>	 I am told that WMDE will probably next week give out a hackathon date (for April or May)
[16:49:36] <RoanKattouw>	 Oh, excellent
[16:49:46] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Math table doesn't have a PK - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33638  +comment (10sam)
[16:50:06] <sumanah>	 aude: you may be interested in https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Conference_2011/Feedback which Nicole Ebber wrote
[16:50:06] <RoanKattouw>	 As long as they announce before Feb 1, I'm happy
[16:53:16] <hashar>	 sumanah: Berlin again?
[16:53:30] <sumanah>	 hashar: I do not know.
[16:53:38] <sumanah>	 Daniel_WMDE: do you know where the WMDE event is likely to happen?
[16:53:40] <Reedy>	 They suggested before it might not be Berlin
[16:53:53] <hashar>	 99% sure it will be there since WMDE is based in Berlin
[16:53:58] <Daniel_WMDE>	 sumanah: nope, sorry
[16:54:03] <hashar>	 would love to "visit" another place though :)
[16:54:08] <Reedy>	 Daniel_WMDE, not even the city? :p
[16:54:10] <Daniel_WMDE>	 sumanah: but i'm 99% sure that it'Äs going to be in berlin
[16:54:16] <Daniel_WMDE>	 Reedy: berlin
[16:54:19] <Daniel_WMDE>	 very much
[16:54:20] <Reedy>	 :)
[16:54:24] <hashar>	 :-b
[16:54:28] <Reedy>	 That answers the question then ;)
[16:54:36] <RoanKattouw>	 OK, so definitely Berlin?
[16:54:44] <Reedy>	 99%
[16:54:52] <Reedy>	 that's a 1 in 100 chance it won't be in Berlin
[16:54:54] <Daniel_WMDE>	 well, there was talk about doing it somewhere else. but it looks like we have *the* venue in berlin. so...
[16:54:57] * hashar  wonders if he will comes with his family

[16:55:02] <codurr>	 03ialex * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/108518> 10/trunk/extensions/WindowsAzureSDK/lib/PHPAzure/ (423 files in 53 dirs): svn:eol-style native
[16:55:04] <RoanKattouw>	 Fun fact: by the time of the conference, Berlin will have consolidated its two airports into one
[16:55:09] <Reedy>	 lol ialex
[16:55:17] <Reedy>	 In the middle of the City again?
[16:55:27] <Daniel_WMDE>	 RoanKattouw: but still won't have a decent rail link to the airport.
[16:55:38] <sumanah>	 Fun fact: Daniel_WMDE has now engaged RoanKattouw in a discussion about rail & air
[16:55:41] <RoanKattouw>	 Well there'll be *a* rail link
[16:55:45] <Daniel_WMDE>	 Reedy: no. that's the point. 
[16:56:00] <RoanKattouw>	 No more taking the TXL shuttle bus
[16:56:15] <sumanah>	 (I can see the Signpost headline now: "German developer accidentally cuts WMF productivity by 2/3 this week")
[16:56:15] <hashar>	 i liked the TXL bus :)
[16:56:26] <Daniel_WMDE>	 :P
[16:56:30] * Daniel_WMDE  is afk for a bit

[16:56:34] <RoanKattouw>	 Daniel_WMDE: So what did you say no to exactly?
[16:56:39] <RoanKattouw>	 To the "middle of the city" part?
[16:56:49] <Reedy>	 I was meaning Tegel + Shonefeld = Tempelhof ;)
[16:57:02] <RoanKattouw>	 Oh
[16:57:20] <ialex>	 Reedy: can you stab that dev for me? :)
[16:57:38] <RoanKattouw>	 No they're closing Tegel, expanding Schönefeld and renaming it to Berlin Brandenburg Airport
[16:58:31] <codurr>	 New code comment: Reedy; Mind also fixing your [[Subversion/auto-props]]? :); <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/108463#c29275>
[16:58:42] <Reedy>	 Yaaay
[16:58:46] <Reedy>	 Erik Z is working on browser stats
[16:59:19] <codurr>	 03rsterbin * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/108519> 10/trunk/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5/ (3 files in 3 dirs): (log message trimmed)
[16:59:19] <codurr>	 Added edit click tracking:
[16:59:19] <codurr>	 - modules/jquery.articleFeedbackv5/jquery.articleFeedbackv5.js:
[16:59:19] <codurr>	 - New public method clickTrackingOn()
[16:59:19] <codurr>	 - modules/ext.articleFeedbackv5/ext.articleFeedbackv5.js:
[16:59:19] <codurr>	 - If click tracking is on, add tracking to the edit tab and section
[16:59:20] <codurr>	 edit links
[17:01:38] <jnsl_>	 If i change skin under "my preference", when logged in as admin, will it show for all users ?
[17:01:54] <ialex>	 jnsl_: no
[17:02:17] <jnsl_>	 how would i go about doing that then ?
[17:02:30] <Dantman>	 !wg DefaultSkin
[17:02:30] <mw-bot>	 http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgDefaultSkin
[17:02:34] <ialex>	 jnsl_: change $wgDefaultSkin in LocalSettings.php
[17:02:41] <ialex>	 ...
[17:02:41] <jnsl_>	 oh oki Thanks =)
[17:04:47] <codurr>	 New code comment: Catrope; <pre> \ + '<span>' . $row->number . '</span></li>'; \ </pre> \ To reduce reviewer anxiety, please ca; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/108297#c29276>
[17:05:02] <codurr>	 New code comment: Hashar; Deleting trackback will cause data lost to people using this feature! Just leave them ?; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/108502#c29277>
[17:05:15] <hashar>	 Reedy: that one is nasty :b
[17:05:16] <aude>	 sumanah: thanks!
[17:05:58] <hashar>	 Reedy: Imagine someone using the trackback feature. When upgrading to 1.19 he will that the feature is no more AND did lost all the trackback data.
[17:06:06] <jnsl_>	 Hmm im wondering if its possible to make  login page, that hides everything and only shows username and pass
[17:06:13] <hashar>	 Reedy: we should just keep the tables as they are
[17:06:36] * hashar  is out to store

[17:06:40] <codurr>	 03ialex * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/108520> 10/trunk/extensions/DumpHTML/dumpHTML.inc:
[17:06:40] <codurr>	 * Set global variables from the newly created context, instead of the opposite, as we do in special page inclusion.
[17:06:40] <codurr>	 * Use local variables where possible instead of global ones
[17:07:25] <sumanah>	 ialex: could I ask you to review this easy specialpages patch?   https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20789
[17:08:02] <codurr>	 New code comment: Blobaugh; This is an "error by design" and not really an error. This file can be removed. I will shortly revie; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/108517#c29278>
[17:09:02] <codurr>	 New code comment: Reedy; Cheers. It breaks our php lint tests, which is annoying; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/108517#c29279>
[17:12:19] <sumanah>	 Platonides: if you have time to review https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=25909 that would be great.  It's "Add a drop-down list for the tags in Recentchanges and Newpages"
[17:12:39] <Reedy>	 !brancpoints
[17:12:39] <mw-bot>	 I don't know anything about "brancpoints".
[17:12:42] <Reedy>	 !branchpoints
[17:12:42] <mw-bot>	 http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Branch_points
[17:13:48] <codurr>	 03ialex * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/108521> 10/trunk/extensions/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Use Article::newFromTitle() instead MediaWiki::articleFromTitle(); that function was added in MW 1.18 and the call to RequestContext::getMain() requires MW 1.18
[17:14:47] <codurr>	 New code comment: Reedy; It just feels icky, leaving these around \ Taking 1.6/1.7, these tables have been sitting around for ; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/108502#c29280>
[17:14:52] <sumanah>	 Platonides: MrBlueSky has a few patches awaiting review and is pretty responsive, so I'd like to encourage the dev by getting the outstanding patches reviewed.
[17:31:00] * sumanah  looks for easy starter bugs to put in https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Annoying_little_bugs

[17:33:29] <OrenBo>	 summanah we came make some
[17:37:53] <sumanah>	 OrenBo: I cannot approve literally writing bad code to make easy bugs to fix :-)  but if you come across an easy bug, consider filing it and marking it with the easy keyword, if it is not something that needs fixing right away
[17:38:43] <sumanah>	 aharoni: is https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19295 actually easy? I see it has the easy keyword
[17:38:47] <codurr>	 New code comment: Robmoen; Ahh very cool. I knew there was an easier way :) Thanks; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/108275#c29281>
[17:38:49] <sumanah>	 Nikerabbit: ^^
[17:40:17] <codurr>	 New code comment: Robmoen; Also, you were correct. On this revision it wasn't working correctly.; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/108275#c29282>
[17:40:39] <OrenBo>	 Nikerabbit: apc extention ? to access php apc ?
[17:41:23] <codurr>	 03khorn * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/108522> 10/trunk/extensions/DonationInterface/gateway_common/GatewayForm.php: Cleanup: Added a tiny bit of documentation and removed code that is either no longer used, or has been moved elsewhere.
[17:41:32] <codurr>	 New code comment: Bsitu; Forget to add the index, :(; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/108187#c29283>
[17:42:21] <sumanah>	 hey gwicke 
[17:42:37] <gwicke>	 good morning sumanah ;)
[17:43:05] <gwicke>	 just drinking my first coffee, will look at the patch next.
[17:44:29] <Nikerabbit>	 OrenBo: ?
[17:45:17] <OrenBo>	 you wrote an APC extentions ?
[17:45:28] <Reedy>	 It's just for viewing stats IIRC
[17:45:54] <howto>	 hello, I made an upgrade 1.17 to 1.18 all is ok but my logo was disapear ?
[17:46:50] <OrenBo>	 what do you use it for ?
[17:47:04] <Reedy>	 "View and manage APC cache with MediaWiki"
[17:48:39] <Nikerabbit>	 yep
[17:48:56] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) [SRF] When used on images, "array" format fails - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/32977  +comment (10Danweetz)
[17:52:32] <codurr>	 New code comment: RobLa-WMF; Please revert this. This isn't the type of thing we should be screwing with now.; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/108502#c29284>
[17:54:49] <codurr>	 03rmoen * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/108523> 10/trunk/extensions/MoodBar/modules/ext.moodBar.dashboard/ext.moodBar.dashboard.js: simplify secondary filter checkbox handling. follow up r108275 and r108299
[17:55:51] <codurr>	 03maxsem * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/108524> 10/trunk/extensions/FeaturedFeeds/ (6 files): Serious rewrite: to guarantee unique URLs (and therefore unique feed item IDs), introduced a new special page to view items
[17:56:33] <codurr>	 03bsitu * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/108525> 10/branches/concurrency/ (2 files in 2 dirs): followup to -r108486 - update API return key from "status" to "result"
[17:58:30] <codurr>	 03maxsem * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/108526> 10/trunk/extensions/FeaturedFeeds/SpecialFeedItem.php: Follow-up r108524: rm var_dump()
[18:05:50] <codurr>	 03aaron * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/108527> 10/trunk/phase3/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Reverted r108502, r108504 per CR
[18:07:36] <codurr>	 03maxsem * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/108528> 10/trunk/extensions/FeaturedFeeds/SpecialFeedItem.php: Follow-up r108524: fixed date formatting
[18:07:48] <MaxSem>	 !1.19
[18:07:49] <mw-bot>	 Working on it, hoping to deploy in February 2012. http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.science.linguistics.wikipedia.technical/56919
[18:10:23] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Language Selector dropdown on Special:WebFonts page doesnt load using WebFont - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33639  +comment (10srik.lak)
[18:16:46] <codurr>	 03gwicke * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/108529> 10/trunk/phase3/includes/actions/RawAction.php: (log message trimmed)
[18:16:46] <codurr>	 Support If-modified-since for RawPage, fixes bug #10023.
[18:16:46] <codurr>	 The check to WikiPage::getTouched will load the latest revision data, which is
[18:16:46] <codurr>	 not ideal for performance. In a quick test using ab -c 100 -n 1000 and without
[18:16:46] <codurr>	 MemCached enabled, the request rate for plain GET requests drops slightly from
[18:16:46] <codurr>	 108 to 104 req/second. As described in my comment
[18:16:46] <codurr>	 https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10023#c9, this could certainly be
[18:18:52] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) DatabaseError is served without encoding information - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33570  (10duplicatebug)
[18:21:23] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) Should return http status code 304 NOT MODIFIED appropriately when accessing a &action=raw page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/10023  +comment (10Gabriel Wicke)
[18:21:53] <blobaugh>	 AaronSchulz: you on?
[18:23:38] * AaronSchulz  deciphers the leet speak

[18:24:27] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Language selection problem - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33211   +i18n (10Amir E. Aharoni)
[18:25:17] <codurr>	 New code comment: Bsitu; Will do, thank you!; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/108297#c29285>
[18:26:00] <sumanah>	 gwicke: you mentioned r10023 in https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10023#c13 -- you probably meant https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/108529 ?
[18:26:02] <codurr>	 New code comment: Catrope; <pre> \ + state = $(this).prop('checked'); //save state of checkbox \ [...] \ $( 'input[type=checkb; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/108299#c29286>
[18:26:30] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Should return http status code 304 NOT MODIFIED appropriately when accessing a &action=raw page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/10023  +comment (10sumanah)
[18:26:32] <codurr>	 New code comment: Duplicatebug; You can drop old tables, when you are checking first, if the table is empty. Then the table is unnee; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/108502#c29287>
[18:26:37] <gwicke>	 sumanah: yup, sorry
[18:27:03] <codurr>	 New code comment: Catrope; See also r108275 CR.; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/108299#c29288>
[18:28:09] <codurr>	 03rsterbin * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/108530> 10/trunk/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5/api/ApiArticleFeedbackv5.php: Followup to r107914: added comment to explain how the link ID works
[18:28:10] <sumanah>	 thanks gwicke.  During the code slush and the push to get 1.19 deployed I'm not asking for as much patch review from WMF staffers, but I do want to at least keep the number of unreviewed patches from increasing too much
[18:28:20] <codurr>	 03bsitu * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/108531> 10/trunk/extensions/MoodBar/SpecialFeedbackDashboard.php: follow up to -r108297 - cast numbers when outputting to html
[18:28:51] <gwicke>	 sumanah: sure, np
[18:29:02] <codurr>	 New code comment: Rsterbin; I suppose that is sort of non-obvious. Added a comment. :); <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/107914#c29289>
[18:31:17] <codurr>	 New code comment: Nikerabbit; Html::element already escaped for you. ->text() is fine. \ + .Html::element( 'h3', array(), wfMessag; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/108506#c29290>
[18:31:17] <codurr>	 New code comment: Duplicatebug; Special:RecentChanges is using some javascript to enable/disable the fields, if needed (see r90943).; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/106297#c29291>
[18:32:32] <codurr>	 New code comment: Catrope; <pre> \ + if ( isset( $params['myresponse'] ) ) { \ </pre> \ Don't do it this way. Instead, define the pa; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/108454#c29292>
[18:32:46] <codurr>	 New code comment: Rsterbin; Blargh. It's set in my subversion config autoprops, it just doesn't seem to be working. Guess I'll; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/108258#c29293>
[18:34:23] <AaronSchulz>	 blobaugh: meow?
[18:34:57] <blobaugh>	 AaronSchulz: woof?
[18:35:47] <codurr>	 New code comment: Catrope; <pre> \ + $reason = $params['type'] . ': ' . $params['comment']; \ </pre> \ You should make this transla; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/108484#c29294>
[18:35:48] <blobaugh>	 AaronSchulz: question about the FileBackendGroup. does that allow users to specify multiple backend in their config right out of the box or is FileBackendMultiWrite still responsible for that?
[18:36:12] <fedek>	 hello everybody
[18:37:29] <AaronSchulz>	 blobaugh: the first one
[18:38:08] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Special:PageTranslation shouldn't have edit section links - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33642 trivial; MediaWiki extensions: Translate; (federicoleva)
[18:38:17] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Special:PageTranslation shouldn't have edit section links - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33642  (10Nemo_bis)
[18:38:42] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) MW1.18 broke Edittools for Special:Upload - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31682  +comment (10hartman)
[18:38:58] <fedek>	 I have a problem with this link http://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?format=xml&action=query&titles=september_20&prop=revisions&rvprop=content
[18:39:26] <blobaugh>	 AaronSchulz: interesting. why did you go about it that way? i was pushing for that arch originally but got shot down by Russ saying the FileBackendMultiWrite method was better, which it clearly is not but he won out anyways
[18:39:44] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) User's last viewed language/page is not saved correctly - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/32920   +i18n (10Amir E. Aharoni)
[18:39:55] <AaronSchulz>	 blobaugh: sure you aren't confusing different things? ;)
[18:40:00] <RoanKattouw>	 fedek: What's your proble?
[18:40:02] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) When the user is following an interwiki link to another Wikipedia, a browser shouldn't be used - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/32932   +i18n (10Amir E. Aharoni)
[18:40:09] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) "Near me" view not localized - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33265   +i18n (10Amir E. Aharoni)
[18:40:14] <fedek>	 the part before Events is missing, how could I get it?
[18:40:21] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) language list in setting not sorted by language name - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33493   +i18n (10Amir E. Aharoni)
[18:40:41] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Use language selection to override default locale for i18n - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33528   +i18n (10Amir E. Aharoni)
[18:40:46] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Wikipedia:About is hard-coded and not language-sensitive in Wikipedia Mobile Android app - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33527   +i18n (10Amir E. Aharoni)
[18:40:55] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) The language of Wikipedia in use should be displayed in the settings dialog - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/32904   +i18n (10Amir E. Aharoni)
[18:40:56] <blobaugh>	 AaronSchulz: i do not think so. i wanted it so users can specify as many backends of whatever type they want in the config. Russ wanted devs to write custom Multi backends for that
[18:41:39] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Android app language list should be filterable/searchable to make it more manageable - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/32908   +i18n (10Amir E. Aharoni)
[18:41:44] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Strings in the app that are not translatable - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33624   +i18n (10Amir E. Aharoni)
[18:42:17] <codurr>	 New code comment: Nikerabbit; Apparently something is needed: \ [10-Jan-2012 18:41:35] "" is not a valid magic word for "autoedit" \ ; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/108516#c29295>
[18:42:18] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) MW1.18 broke Edittools for Special:Upload - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31682  +comment (10hartman)
[18:43:07] <codurr>	 03reedy * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/108532> 10/trunk/ (5 files in 4 dirs):
[18:43:07] <codurr>	 Fix whitespace
[18:43:07] <codurr>	 Fix/improve documentation
[18:43:12] <AaronSchulz>	 blobaugh: you wanted the registration of internal backends (for a backend presented as a single one) to go in the top class of the backend heirarchy, not a separate FileBackendMultiWrite class (AFAIK)
[18:43:55] <AaronSchulz>	 FileBackendGroup has nothing to due with multi-write backends specifically, it is agnostic to them
[18:44:31] <fedek>	 i need the part where, on wikipedipa page, is wrote the number of the year and the days remaining to the end of the year
[18:44:49] <AaronSchulz>	 it is for registering whole backends (whether they are multi or not), which appear as single backends to the rest of MW
[18:46:41] <RoanKattouw>	 fedek: It's probably coming from a template then, one of those {{ThisDateInRecentYears}} things. Perhaps you would like the HTML of the page instead?
[18:47:04] <AaronSchulz>	 blobaugh: if I recall, you wanted every class to be similar to FileBackendMultiWrite, where people can just choose to have one internal backend (single) or several (multi)
[18:48:14] <blobaugh>	 AaronSchulz: i wanted FileBackend to handle registration of FileStores and manage calls to all of them. so the user would just supply a config and MW would only know about the one FileBackend. file ops on any registered FileStore would be handled transperently by the FileBackend
[18:48:47] <fedek>	 RoanKattouw: i prefer the xml, as i have already done a parser to print data..maybe do you have an idea about how to retrieve the info into {{ThisDateInRecentYears}} ?
[18:48:49] <blobaugh>	 AaronSchulz:  the config would contain the name of the FileStore and connection info
[18:49:29] <blobaugh>	 AaronSchulz: it looks like what you did with Groups is similar to what i wanted
[18:49:42] <RoanKattouw>	 fedek: You can get the page HTML wrapped in XML if you want. Alternatively, let's see ...
[18:49:47] <codurr>	 New code comment: Reedy; But when they haven't been referenced in 5+ years of trunk? Granted, just a recent upgrade might sti; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/108502#c29296>
[18:49:47] <AaronSchulz>	 most of FileBackendGroup is for future use
[18:50:04] <AaronSchulz>	 like being able to just use paths without knowing the backed object
[18:50:14] <RoanKattouw>	 fedek: Either https://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?format=xml&action=query&titles=september_20&prop=revisions&rvprop=content&rvexpandtemplates or https://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?format=xml&action=query&titles=september_20&prop=revisions&rvprop=content&rvparse should work for you
[18:50:36] <AaronSchulz>	 or cross backend copy ops and such
[18:50:51] <blobaugh>	 AaronSchulz: yeah, i just read through it and i like it. i think having the virtual paths and the ability to transperantly run multiple types of backends is important
[18:51:20] <AaronSchulz>	 of course, for now, repo just call get() to grab the object
[18:52:48] <fedek>	 RoanKattouw: yes, maybe the first link will be helpful, while the second won't as i need to give the page a style. Anyway I think the first one is ok, thankyou very much! 
[18:54:07] * AaronSchulz  would like to see a MogileFSFilebackend ;)

[18:54:39] <Reedy>	 I deleted some mogile shit not so long ago :p
[18:55:04] <AaronSchulz>	 I noticed that lack of those files, yes
[18:55:20] <AaronSchulz>	 their website points to the dead files
[18:55:29] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) [upstream] QUnit test mediawiki: mw.loader.bug30825 times out on IE 10 Platform Preview 4 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/32742  (10Antoine "hashar" Musso)
[18:55:31] <Reedy>	 haha
[18:55:37] <Reedy>	 Old rotting rubbish
[18:55:51] <AaronSchulz>	 considering that they don't maintain any docs to be found, it's not really a surprise
[18:59:32] <hashar>	 !1.19
[18:59:32] <mw-bot>	 Working on it, hoping to deploy in February 2012. http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.science.linguistics.wikipedia.technical/56919
[19:11:50] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Better validation for Type:URL and Type:Email - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/13884  +comment (10fastgoldfish)
[19:13:13] <blobaugh>	 AaronSchulz: i want a SshFsFileBackend ;)
[19:13:19] <blobaugh>	 just because
[19:13:42] <AaronSchulz>	 or DBBlobFileBackend
[19:14:32] <codurr>	 03krinkle * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/108533> 10/trunk/extensions/MoodBar/ (3 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed)
[19:14:32] <codurr>	 [MoodBar] Clean up + minor bug fix
[19:14:32] <codurr>	 * Declare missing dependency on 'user.tokens'
[19:14:32] <codurr>	 * Use $ instead of $j (deprecated)
[19:14:32] <codurr>	 * Use <shorttag> for element creation, and <valid></valid> for parsed snippets.
[19:14:33] <codurr>	 jQuery uses a regex to detect <shorttag> and does doc.createElement('tag'). For
[19:14:33] <codurr>	 anything else it uses innerHTML parser which should be given valid html, not
[19:14:45] <blobaugh>	 AaronSchulz: yeah, my brain exploded thinking about all the cool and completely random backends that could be created. i want to build a couple completely arcane backends just because ;)
[19:15:00] <blobaugh>	 AaronSchulz: PunchCardFileBackend heh
[19:15:32] <codurr>	 New code comment: Catrope; I guess that's bad? Should I exclude this revision from tomorrow's extension deployments then?; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/107261#c29297>
[19:17:19] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) [TestSwarm] Submit jobs for Special:JavaScriptTest as well - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33499  +comment (10hashar)
[19:21:18] <codurr>	 03preilly * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/108534> 10/trunk/extensions/MobileFrontend/MobileFrontend.php: move acceptHeader variable
[19:21:20] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) test special pages SQL queries against supported Open Source DB (sqlite, mysql, pgsql) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/32118  (10Rob Lanphier)
[19:23:16] <wikibugs>	 14(WFM) phpunt test failure BlockTest::testInitializerFunctionsReturnCorrectBlock - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31929  +comment (10Rob Lanphier)
[19:25:47] <codurr>	 New code comment: Robmoen; See folloup r108523; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/108299#c29298>
[19:28:34] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) NewParserTest::setupUploadDir() breaks through repo encapsulation - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31737  +comment (10Rob Lanphier)
[19:32:02] <codurr>	 New code comment: Catrope; <pre> \ -jQuery(function( $ ) { \ +jQuery( document ).ready( function ( $ ) { \ </pre> \ Any particular rea; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/108533#c29299>
[19:33:02] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Put parser fuzz tests in @group and disable by default - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/29493  summary; +comment (10Rob Lanphier)
[19:34:01] <codurr>	 03bsitu * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/108535> 10/trunk/extensions/MoodBar/ (3 files in 2 dirs): followup to -r108187 - move checkbox outside of label, remove INNER JOIN and rearrange table order
[19:44:31] <codurr>	 New code comment: RobLa-WMF; This is adding to reviewer load at a time when we shouldn't be doing that. Do we really have to hav; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/108502#c29300>
[19:45:04] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) [TestSwarm] Submit jobs for Special:JavaScriptTest as well - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33499  +comment (10krinklemail)
[19:45:10] <codurr>	 03bsitu * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/108536> 10/trunk/extensions/MoodBar/ApiQueryMoodBarComments.php: followup to -r108454 - define checkbox with default false value and remove isset() check
[19:45:17] <codurr>	 New code comment: Catrope; Maybe we can just move this to 1.20?; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/108502#c29301>
[19:51:15] <codurr>	 03kaldari * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/108537> 10/trunk/extensions/CentralNotice/ (CentralNotice.php bannerstats.js): adding some useful comments
[19:52:17] <codurr>	 New code comment: Reedy; My plan was to put it back in 1.20! \ Rob: I wasn't suggesting (or trying to!) arguing about it now, ; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/108502#c29302>
[19:52:42] <wikibugs>	 14(DUP) Multiple select fields in CentralNotice - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/32337  +comment (10Ryan Kaldari)
[19:52:44] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Make better interface for selecting country and language in CentralNotice - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/32761  +comment (10Ryan Kaldari)
[19:55:22] <codurr>	 03preilly * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/108538> 10/trunk/extensions/ZeroRatedMobileAccess/ZeroRatedMobileAccess.body.php: do not call the addHTML method unless needed also check carrier header correctly
[19:59:18] <codurr>	 03bsitu * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/108539> 10/trunk/extensions/MoodBar/ (3 files in 2 dirs): followup to -r108187 - Add mbfr_user_id as index for my response filter
[20:01:17] <codurr>	 New code comment: Dantman; I still don't want to see this come back, even in 1.20. \ The data's existence does not harm MediaWik; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/108502#c29303>
[20:01:48] <codurr>	 03kaldari * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/108540> 10/trunk/extensions/CentralNotice/special/SpecialCentralNotice.php: slight increase in multi-selector size pending real fix to bug 32761
[20:03:02] <codurr>	 New code comment: Reedy; The migration will have occured in steps previous, not that we never bothered to revert. \ It's stuff; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/108502#c29304>
[20:06:32] <codurr>	 03khorn * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/108541> 10/trunk/extensions/DonationInterface/gateway_forms/Form.php: Cleanup: Added a tiny bit of documentation and removed code that is either no longer used, or has been moved elsewhere.
[20:09:58] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Building Android apps for our sister projects (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31808  +comment (10Yuvi Panda)
[20:11:57] <codurr>	 03preilly * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/108542> 10/trunk/extensions/MobileFrontend/MobileFrontend.php: add vary header support for carrier data
[20:13:45] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) [SF] Special:RunQuery error takes down pages using it - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33424  +comment (10fastgoldfish)
[20:15:56] <sheperson>	 I am sorry, is this video hosted somewhere else (other than youtube)? Write a simple extension (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zlGo-hrnt8)
[20:16:41] <sheperson>	 youtube is blocked here :(
[20:17:37] <Reedy>	 it should be on commmons
[20:17:39] <Reedy>	 but seemingly not
[20:18:23] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) API import of pages with invalid characters in this wiki leads to Fatal Error - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/30975  (10duplicatebug)
[20:18:30] <sheperson>	 Reedy: Are you talking to me?
[20:18:34] <Reedy>	 Yup
[20:18:44] <sheperson>	 where is "commons"?
[20:19:12] <Reedy>	 http://commons.wikimedia.org
[20:19:19] <Reedy>	 It's only got videos of other wikimania related stuff
[20:20:28] <sumanah>	 hi sheperson 
[20:20:31] <sheperson>	 hi
[20:21:03] <sumanah>	 sheperson: you're looking for help on writing extensions, right? let me poke around and see if there's more stuff to direct you to
[20:21:26] <sheperson>	 I am looking around to become a mediawiki hacker
[20:21:27] <Reedy>	 I'm just wondering why we've got videos on youtube, but not mirrors on commons
[20:21:30] <sumanah>	 https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikimania_2011-_A_brief_introduction_to_MediaWiki_extension_development.pdf has the slides, sheperson 
[20:22:04] <sheperson>	 Reedy: Youtube is blocked here, and there is no way I can watch that video
[20:22:09] <Reedy>	 Yes
[20:22:15] <sheperson>	 :(
[20:22:16] <Reedy>	 I didn't say you should have to watch it via commons
[20:22:18] <codurr>	 03raindrift * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/108543> 10/branches/concurrency/ (3 files in 2 dirs):
[20:22:18] <codurr>	 more docs
[20:22:18] <codurr>	 default settings, max/min times for DoS prevention
[20:22:18] <codurr>	 turned on memcache for unit tests
[20:22:19] <Reedy>	 *youtube
[20:23:01] <sumanah>	 sheperson: just so you know there are Wikimania slides on Commons.   https://wikimania2011.wikimedia.org/wiki/Submissions/A_brief_introduction_to_MediaWiki_extension_development  links to them.  I will look to figure out when the commons ones will go up
[20:23:08] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Turkish need lc / uc methods - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33643 normal; MediaWiki: Internationalization; (hashar)
[20:23:34] <MaxSem>	 anyone familiar with ParserFunctions? why it uses magic words for localisation of "default", instead of simple messages?
[20:23:37] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Turkish need lc / uc methods - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33643  normal->15enhancement (10Reedy)
[20:23:39] <sheperson>	 I don't know why, but when this page is confusing me http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/How_to_become_a_MediaWiki_hacker
[20:23:56] <MaxSem>	 sheperson, what's unclear?
[20:24:06] <sheperson>	 I don't know where to start!
[20:24:36] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) lcfirst and ucfirst parser functions do not work on Turkish wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31490  +comment (10Antoine "hashar" Musso)
[20:24:41] <sumanah>	 you've come here and that's a good step, sheperson 
[20:24:56] <Daniel_WMDE>	 sheperson: it'S hard to find a way to start if you don't have something you want to do. 
[20:25:09] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Lowercase of I is i, not ı - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33299  +comment (10Antoine "hashar" Musso)
[20:25:09] <sumanah>	 sheperson: I will ask a few questions to help you.  do you know why you want to become a MediaWiki hacker?
[20:25:10] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Turkish need lc / uc methods - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33643  +comment (10Antoine "hashar" Musso)
[20:25:13] <MaxSem>	 1) find some seemingly easy problem 2) grep for relevant code 3) carnage!
[20:25:23] <Daniel_WMDE>	 in my experience it's best to find some small feature you want, and then find out how to get it to do what you want.
[20:25:30] <sumanah>	 MaxSem: (which is why we have http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Annoying_Little_Bug )
[20:25:49] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Shows wrong lower case letter in the Turkish wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/32707  +comment (10hashar)
[20:25:50] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Turkish need lc / uc methods - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33643  +comment (10hashar)
[20:26:43] <sheperson>	 I want to understand how mediawiki works, and: 1- I am very eager to learn 2- I have a lot of free time
[20:27:15] <sumanah>	 sheperson: what is it that specifically interests you about MediaWiki?
[20:27:44] <sumanah>	 sheperson: http://wikitech.wikimedia.org/view/Presentations has links to some other presentations you can watch, and there are videos on Commons
[20:28:10] <sheperson>	 well, it is so powerful. I think it has a good architecture too.
[20:28:37] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) [SRF] When used on images, "array" format fails - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/32977  +comment (10fastgoldfish)
[20:28:53] <MaxSem>	 presentations are mind-numbing, screw them. just start doing something
[20:29:06] <sumanah>	 sheperson: https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/index.php?title=File:Hacking_mediawiki.pdf&page=1 may interest you
[20:29:30] <codurr>	 03raindrift * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/108544> 10/branches/concurrency/includes/ConcurrencyCheck.php:
[20:29:30] <codurr>	 removed notes to self, cleaned up comments
[20:29:30] <codurr>	 actually run expire()
[20:29:30] <codurr>	 added some TODOs
[20:29:43] <sheperson>	 sumanah: I get this: >>This Connection is Untrusted
[20:29:47] <codurr>	 New code comment: Duplicatebug; You can always automatically drop old outdated empty tables, because there are no backup for some th; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/108502#c29305>
[20:30:03] <sumanah>	 MaxSem: I point them out because sheperson specifically had mentioned a wish to watch a presentation. And different people learn different ways.
[20:30:04] * hashar  <MARQUEE>  I am going to break Jenkins in the next hour or so  </MARQUEE>

[20:30:17] <hashar>	 of course marquee was deprecated and does not work :-(
[20:30:24] * MaxSem  sends hashar a <blink>

[20:30:50] <sumanah>	 sheperson: yes, the wikitech.wikimedia.org site has a self-signed certificate
[20:30:53] <sumanah>	 it's ok IMO
[20:31:11] <hashar>	 O_ _o _ C_n _o_ s_e _h_t _ t_p_
[20:31:57] <sheperson>	 I am scared. My government is messing up with all certificates! I thought maybe this one is screwed up too!
[20:32:36] <sumanah>	 sheperson: do you mind if I ask where you live?
[20:32:56] <sheperson>	 Unfortunately I live in Iran
[20:32:58] <sheperson>	 :(
[20:33:24] <sumanah>	 sheperson: oh yeah, that could cause trouble.
[20:33:31] <sheperson>	 I am a Kurd not a Persian!
[20:33:47] <sumanah>	 I don't think that distinction matters to us, we're not terribly political here :)
[20:33:48] <sumanah>	 sheperson: so, let me direct you to some resources and things to do.
[20:34:06] <sheperson>	 sumanah: if you please
[20:34:14] <sumanah>	 (My parents are from India and I live in the US, and MediaWiki developers come from lots of places.)
[20:34:27] <sumanah>	 sheperson: so, what kind of software development have you done before?
[20:35:00] <sumanah>	 sheperson: and have you ever found any aspect of wikis a bit annoying?  Finding an itch to scratch is often useful.
[20:35:18] <sheperson>	 I have a Bachelor's degree in computer science (which is called software engineering here)
[20:35:48] <sheperson>	 I have been programming in PHP, C++, Java and C# for quite a while!
[20:35:59] <sheperson>	 but I mainly do PHP
[20:36:01] <sumanah>	 Oh great, so you know PHP already, that will be helpful :)
[20:36:12] <sumanah>	 sheperson: have you ever installed MediaWiki?
[20:36:17] <MaxSem>	 sheperson, I heard your govt is gonna separate your country from teh internets completely soon?
[20:36:31] <sheperson>	 sumanah: yes
[20:36:45] <sheperson>	 MaxSem: unfortunately yes
[20:36:58] <sheperson>	 we Kurds are under so much pressure here!
[20:37:31] <MaxSem>	 largest nation without a state...
[20:37:45] <hashar>	 sheperson: good to see an Iranian around  :-)  Welcome in this channel :D
[20:37:59] <hashar>	 <-- yeah I know it means "horny" in farsi :b
[20:38:15] <sheperson>	 yes!
[20:38:24] <sheperson>	 are you Iranian?
[20:38:25] <sumanah>	 sheperson: what extensions have you installed, when you installed MediaWiki?  It's easiest to get started with extensions development if you already know PHP
[20:38:39] <MaxSem>	 no, he's a troll:P
[20:38:58] <sheperson>	 sumanah: None
[20:39:04] <hashar>	 sheperson: not at all. But my nick attracted a lot of attention from our iranian community :-b
[20:39:17] <codurr>	 03siebrand * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/108545> 10/trunk/extensions/WebFonts/resources/ext.webfonts.preview.css: Make input box on Special:WebFonts only half the height (300px->150px) per Brandon's suggestion.
[20:39:24] <sumanah>	 sheperson: I suggest that you take a quick look at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extensions and then at    https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/How_to_become_a_MediaWiki_hacker#Your_first_feature
[20:39:51] <sheperson>	 sumanah: Thank you
[20:39:55] <codurr>	 03siebrand * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/108546> 10/trunk/extensions/WebFonts/WebFonts.i18n.php: Change "Download" to "Download this font" per Brandon's suggestion.
[20:40:06] <sumanah>	 sheperson: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Category:Extensions_used_on_Wikimedia tells you about extensions that the Wikimedia Foundation deploys on various Wikimedia sites
[20:40:19] <sumanah>	 sheperson: example: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Version
[20:40:23] <shaun_>	 While your editing a page, how is your session/connection to the server maintained?
[20:41:10] <sumanah>	 as you can see, sheperson, extensions add a lot of functionality!  so being able to install an extension is a good first step.  Try installing an extension or two on your local MediaWiki installation.
[20:41:26] <sheperson>	 It is something like Wordpress plugins, right?
[20:41:37] <sumanah>	 Reedy: I just heard that today WMF got a big hard drive full of edited Wikimania 2011 videos that can now be uploaded to Commons quickly :)
[20:41:49] <RoanKattouw>	 Oh?
[20:41:50] <Reedy>	 :O
[20:41:51] * RoanKattouw  didn't hear this

[20:42:06] <Reedy>	 So we need to get that to RobH and plugged into a server, yes? :D
[20:42:10] * Solitarius  want to see the new shiny videos.

[20:42:24] <sumanah>	 sheperson: yes, it is a plugin system.  https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extensions gives the overview of how one installs extensions.
[20:42:49] <sumanah>	 Reedy: RobH is evidently the person working with Megan Hernandez, I gather, to get everything onto Commons.
[20:43:01] <codurr>	 New code comment: Krinkle; <code>loadToolTip()</code> doesn't appear to be used anywhere (not here and not in the current HEAD); <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/108271#c29306>
[20:43:08] <Reedy>	 Nice
[20:43:15] <sumanah>	 I emailed Itzik from Wikimedia Israel while we were talking just now, and got this response.
[20:43:24] <Reedy>	 I was just thinking that copying from the data centre would be nicer than uploading from anywhere else...
[20:43:29] <Reedy>	 even though the office has a nice connection now
[20:43:53] <RoanKattouw>	 It should have been fedexed to the datacenter directly
[20:44:10] <sumanah>	 RoanKattouw: look, talk to RobH 
[20:44:22] <RoanKattouw>	 Yeah, will do
[20:44:26] <sumanah>	 RoanKattouw: I imagine he talked with WMIL 
[20:44:39] <RobH>	 ?
[20:44:57] <RobH>	 I have not heard a thing about the wikimedia videos
[20:45:15] <RobH>	 though it would need to be sent to either myself or the tampa cluster to get put on the network.  (me is easier)
[20:45:19] <RoanKattouw>	 Well I figured I should just say you can't count on me to import them next week
[20:45:35] <RobH>	 yea no clue what the status is on that, no one has updated me
[20:45:40] <RoanKattouw>	 RobH: I asked you where they should be sent, CC Itzik, but got no response. This was a few months ago
[20:45:47] <RobH>	 ahh
[20:45:55] <RobH>	 me, via the eqiad address
[20:46:00] <RoanKattouw>	 I thought so
[20:46:07] <RoanKattouw>	 But I don't have the mailing address for eqiad either
[20:46:08] <RobH>	 but i need to know the tracking info when ships so we can put in a ticket so its not refused
[20:46:19] <RobH>	 i think its online, i will pm it to ya
[20:46:20] <RoanKattouw>	 So I hope they didn't just send it to SF
[20:46:38] <RobH>	 if they did then sf will just send my way i suppose
[20:46:44] * sumanah  replies to Itzik, cc's RobH 

[20:47:01] <RoanKattouw>	 Yeah, I'm asking Megan now
[20:47:17] <RoanKattouw>	 RobH: Anyway, normally I would upload them, but I'm at a conference next week
[20:48:15] <Reedy>	 It's not difficult to do
[20:48:26] <Reedy>	 Especially if the descriptions are already written ;)
[20:49:07] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) drop $wgUseSiteJs global - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33641  +comment (10brion)
[20:49:10] <RobH>	 yea i dont mind firing off a batch job of soemthing when i plug it in
[20:49:23] <RobH>	 but you will need to give me the basic instructions on getting it done if its some script
[20:50:30] <Reedy>	 "mwscript importImages.php commonswiki" and a few parameters
[20:51:13] <RoanKattouw>	 Reedy: You are hereby in charge of importing them then
[20:51:26] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Put parser fuzz tests in @group and disable by default - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/29493  +comment (10hashar)
[20:53:21] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Please lock *.labs.wikimedia.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33644 normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (Thehelpfulonewiki)
[20:54:31] <codurr>	 New code comment: Robmoen; Currently, this is not used. Waiting on concurrency API to be commmited to trunk. Will follow up t; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/108271#c29307>
[20:54:36] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) drop $wgUseSiteJs global - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33641  +comment (10Krinkle)
[20:55:22] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Searching for "#" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33628  +comment (10brion)
[20:55:28] <shaun_>	 What would cause the save and preview buttons to stop responding? When I click them, nothing happens during a page edit. The only way I can get the page to refresh is to actually click on something that is not a button like the cancel link. Writes to the database and page changes are still being processed. Just no page updates until you click the cancel link as I described.
[20:55:39] <codurr>	 03raymond * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/108548> 10/trunk/translatewiki/MediaWiki/mediawiki-defines.txt: r108524: Register new alias file for translatewiki.net
[20:56:40] <brion>	 shaun_: is the browser's progress thingy still spinning or whatever while you're waiting on that?
[20:57:36] <shaun_>	 With the example of chrome. Nothing happens accept a spinning donuts on the cursor.
[20:57:48] <brion>	 perhaps something's delaying the final processing internally
[20:59:17] <codurr>	 New code comment: Reedy; A separate maintenance script ( "deleteAncientTables" or similar, with a RELEASE-NOTES entry) might ; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/108502#c29308>
[20:59:38] <shaun_>	 originality I thought I had a time out issue, which you have helped me several times with. But this last week I decided to go through everything with a fine toothed comb. This was happening with ie, chrome, ff, safari.
[21:00:47] <shaun_>	 I did find an error in the IIS logs which I resolved. now I'm no longer receiving the "disconnected from server" error.
[21:01:43] <shaun_>	 Now I have this strange behavior where everything seems to work, accept its failing to re-fresh the page. I'm not quite sure how to tackle this or go about troubleshooting it.
[21:01:50] <codurr>	 03maxsem * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/108549> 10/trunk/extensions/GeoData/ (5 files): Added localisation
[21:03:15] <codurr>	 03krinkle * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/108550> 10/trunk/phase3/skins/common/wikibits.js: [Core JS] Remove superfluous comments (follows-up r107329)
[21:04:16] <codurr>	 New code comment: Krinkle; Previously slimmed down in r107327, now entirely superfluous indeed. Removed in r108550. Thanks :); <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/107329#c29309>
[21:04:39] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Translate popups don't deal with markup in summary field description - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33645 minor; MediaWiki extensions: Translate; (federicoleva)
[21:04:48] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Translate popups don't deal with markup in summary field description - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33645  (10Nemo_bis)
[21:05:32] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Search namespaces from [[Special:Preferences]] are ignored - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33583  +comment (10b-jorsch)
[21:05:44] <shaun_>	 This also doesn't seem to be a known issue with MediaWiki and I don't see any bug filed related to what I'm experiencing.
[21:06:05] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Searching for "#" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33628  +comment (10brion)
[21:06:07] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Search namespaces from [[Special:Preferences]] are ignored - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33583   +need-review +patch (10Brad Jorsch)
[21:07:25] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) {{REVISIONUSER}} is blank with null edit - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/32948  +comment (10umherirrender_de.wp)
[21:07:51] <Krinkle>	 RoanKattouw: If you have a few minutes, can you mark http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/108105#c29258 as ok ? Since we peer-reviewed that already basically
[21:08:13] <Krinkle>	 oh delay, you already commented
[21:08:17] <Krinkle>	 had the tab open too long :D
[21:08:25] <codurr>	 03raymond * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/108551> 10/trunk/ (72 files in 51 dirs): Localisation updates for core and extension messages from translatewiki.net
[21:08:44] <RoanKattouw>	 Krinkle: Thanks for reminding me though
[21:08:55] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) "Bad title" error page returns HTTP 200 OK instead of an error code - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33646 normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (brion)
[21:08:56] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Searching for "#" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33628  (10Brion Vibber)
[21:09:36] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Searching for "#" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33628  +comment (10brion)
[21:10:02] <codurr>	 New code comment: Catrope; +1. And let's slap a big flashy warning on it telling users it'll permanently destroy any old data t; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/108502#c29310>
[21:11:16] <codurr>	 New code comment: Reedy; Sounds good. Best wait till 1.20 for committing it though ;); <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/108502#c29311>
[21:14:32] <codurr>	 New code comment: Umherirrender; It is possible to merge this revision to 1.18wmf1 to fix bug 33250? Thanks.; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/100756#c29312>
[21:16:00] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Building Android apps for our sister projects (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31808  +comment (10tfinc)
[21:16:02] <codurr>	 New code comment: Catrope; Tagged.; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/100756#c29313>
[21:16:04] <RoanKattouw>	 Reedy: ---^^
[21:16:25] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Translate popups with insufficient height - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33647 normal; MediaWiki extensions: Translate; (federicoleva)
[21:16:29] <Reedy>	 heh
[21:17:02] <codurr>	 New code comment: Krinkle; :''Any particular reason why you're doing this?'' \ Nope, bad copy paste by me. Intended to make a IIF; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/108533#c29314>
[21:21:57] <Lcawte>	 I love the Hitler downfall Parady on Git... it sums up my feelings exactly
[21:22:39] <tfinc>	 robla: where an i see what you and sumanah wanted MaxSem to work on for the api sandbox ? 
[21:23:30] <MaxSem>	 tfinc, https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=32739#c2
[21:23:40] <MaxSem>	 "Upped priority per platform engineering meeting today."
[21:24:22] <tfinc>	 yeah, would be nice to get this done before the hackathon
[21:24:32] <tfinc>	 MaxSem: how much work is it?
[21:24:52] <MaxSem>	 not sure, I'm inexperienced at JS
[21:24:54] <tfinc>	 robla: besides 32739 is there anything else ?
[21:25:01] <tfinc>	 MaxSem: are you even the right person for doing this ?
[21:25:16] <MaxSem>	 well, since I wrote it:P
[21:25:24] <tfinc>	 the js portion ...
[21:25:25] <tfinc>	 ;)
[21:27:51] <codurr>	 03krinkle * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/108552> 10/trunk/extensions/MoodBar/modules/ext.moodBar.dashboard/ext.moodBar.dashboard.js: (log message trimmed)
[21:27:51] <codurr>	 [MoodBar] More clean up
[21:27:51] <codurr>	 * Hoist all variables together to the top of each scope, to prevent more/future leakage of globals such as fixed in r108533
[21:27:51] <codurr>	 -- JavaScript does this at run-time if not already, helps debugging when written the way the language works. One var statement per function, at the top.
[21:27:51] <codurr>	 * Using $.ajax instead of $.post().error()
[21:27:51] <codurr>	 * Cache repetitive query in $fbdFiltersCheck, no need to query that again and again (if it is live, then it also be bound live, which it isn't)
[21:27:52] <codurr>	 * Re-use cached selector through chain for $( '#fbd-list' ).
[21:30:20] <robla>	 tfinc: I'll look it up in a bit....on the phone with Chad
[21:33:55] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) MW1.18 broke Edittools for Special:Upload - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31682  +comment (10alexsm333)
[21:42:58] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Firefox 9 dropped navigator.taintEnabled() - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31807  (10Nemo_bis)
[21:43:00] <wikibugs>	 04(REOPENED) Mobile RTL Wikipedias are displayed as LTR - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/27363  +comment (10Amir E. Aharoni)
[21:49:49] <wikibugs>	 03(ASSIGNED) Signature preview does not manage language interwikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33563  (10Karun)
[21:51:14] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) The mobile site and the mobile app don't use WebFonts - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33648 normal; Wikimedia Mobile: android; (amir.aharoni)
[21:53:29] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Mobile RTL Wikipedias' main pages are displayed as LTR - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/27363  summary (10Amir E. Aharoni)
[21:54:04] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Signature preview does not manage language interwikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33563  +comment (10kdambiec)
[21:55:00] <sbose78>	 http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Edit_token  the ajax code doesn't work
[21:56:15] <RoanKattouw>	 sbose78: How does it not work?
[21:56:25] <RoanKattouw>	 (BTW, in 1.18 and later you don't need to use AJAX to get the edit token)
[21:56:36] <sbose78>	 http://jsfiddle.net/FPhcr/73/ 
[21:56:49] <RoanKattouw>	 Well yeah
[21:56:54] <RoanKattouw>	 It doesn't work cross-domain, on purpose
[21:57:31] <sbose78>	 Okay, could you please suggest me an alternative other than php
[21:57:42] <RoanKattouw>	 What do you want to accomplish exactly?
[21:57:52] <sbose78>	 obtain an edit token 
[21:58:01] <RoanKattouw>	 For what purpose?
[21:58:35] <sbose78>	 To submit an edit of course :)  So, are there alternatives ?
[21:58:48] <RoanKattouw>	 So you're trying to submit an edit cross-domain?
[21:59:06] <RoanKattouw>	 MediaWiki deliberately makes that impossible, it's a security feature
[21:59:54] <sbose78>	 I'm building an application and the edit would be submitted via the app. Is that possible?
[22:00:14] <RoanKattouw>	 Yes, there are ways you can do it
[22:00:28] <RoanKattouw>	 One would be to proxy the API requests through PHP
[22:00:47] <sbose78>	 apart from php?  Javascript?
[22:00:51] <RoanKattouw>	 i.e. you send your api.php requests to the local domain, and api.php on your local domain is just a wrapper that forwards the request using curl or whatever
[22:01:02] <RoanKattouw>	 In pure JS, it can't be done, you need some sort of server-side support
[22:01:33] <sbose78>	 Okay, what exactly do I need to implement ?
[22:02:06] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Edit conflict diff is backwards - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/17177  (10Karun)
[22:02:54] <sbose78>	 Could you point me to links/examples ?
[22:03:03] <RoanKattouw>	 There aren't any ready-made examples, really
[22:03:08] <RoanKattouw>	 The least you need is a proxy of sorts
[22:03:30] <hexmode>	 RoanKattouw: Any clue on AbuseFilter?
[22:03:45] <RoanKattouw>	 Like, you send a request to proxy.php or proxy.pl or whatever on the local domain, the same domain that the JS comes from (so it's not a cross-domain AJAX request)
[22:03:56] <hexmode>	 I need to know where to get things exported and then imported
[22:04:14] <RoanKattouw>	 Then that proxy script sends an HTTP request to en.wikipedia.org or wherever with the same parameters, and spits the response back out
[22:04:25] <RoanKattouw>	 It's really just a relay to get around the cross-domain restrictions
[22:04:39] <RoanKattouw>	 Oh, wait, crap, that won't work if you need to retain session information :(
[22:04:48] <sbose78>	 Exactly!
[22:04:49] <RoanKattouw>	 sbose78: Are you looking to do logged-in edits, or only logged-out edits
[22:05:04] <sbose78>	 Logged in
[22:05:32] <sbose78>	 I tried with Java today. Didn't work because it couldn't send the logged in session info
[22:06:21] * hexmode  found his abusefilter info...

[22:06:23] <hexmode>	 it was on mw.o, imagine that!
[22:07:36] <Solitarius>	 A curl cookies jar per session might work. proxy.php will need to have sessions on it's own with the end user.
[22:08:40] <Solitarius>	 See curl_setopt and CURLOPT_COOKIEFILE.
[22:08:47] <sbose78>	 How am I to implement that in Java? any idea ?
[22:09:10] <RoanKattouw>	 Well whatever you try
[22:09:21] <RoanKattouw>	 You can't take the user's MediaWiki session and use it
[22:09:28] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Image file extension should not be part of the name - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/4421  +comment (10Sumana Harihareswara)
[22:09:30] <RoanKattouw>	 That's deliberately made impossible, because it'd be a security violation
[22:09:59] <sbose78>	 But say this provides us an edit token :  http://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&prop=info|revisions&intoken=edit&titles=Main%20Page&format=json
[22:10:29] <sbose78>	 And I wonder, can't that be used anyway?
[22:10:37] <sbose78>	 *in any way
[22:10:45] <Daniel_WMDE>	 sbose78: http://www.java2s.com/Code/Java/Apache-Common/HttppostmethodExample.htm
[22:10:47] <codurr>	 New code comment: Kaldari; These changes are a bit premature. getEditToken(), for example, doesn't exist in 1.18wmf (the curren; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/108110#c29315>
[22:10:48] <Daniel_WMDE>	 might help
[22:10:56] <Solitarius>	 Roan is right. And personaly, I would not give my Wikipedia credentials to any other website than Wikipedia itself.
[22:11:49] <Daniel_WMDE>	 wouldn't it be nice to have oauth?
[22:11:52] <sbose78>	 But in case of mobile apps, we often don't use OAuth1/OAuth2.0
[22:12:06] <sbose78>	 Daniel, you spoke my heart :)
[22:12:34] <Reedy>	 Daniel_WMDE, what do you think this is, the internet?
[22:12:50] <Daniel_WMDE>	 hehe
[22:13:07] <Daniel_WMDE>	 Reedy: do you know what happened to the oauth plans? we'll want something like that fpr wikidata too
[22:13:16] <Daniel_WMDE>	 without that, there'll be no inline editing
[22:13:25] <Daniel_WMDE>	 well, at least not painlessly
[22:13:26] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) diff engine should use timestamps instead of revids to count revisions between diffed versions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/17591  +comment (10Sumana Harihareswara)
[22:13:40] <sbose78>	 Daniel_WMDE: I tried the java thing you send just now long back. Problem with sending cookie info.
[22:14:02] <RoanKattouw>	 sbose78: No, for cross domain requests the API will never give you tokens
[22:14:10] <Daniel_WMDE>	 sbose78: sending cookies shouldn't be a problem with that. though i havn't tried in ages
[22:14:20] <Reedy>	 Daniel_WMDE, it's not short term, but I thought it was on the Roadmap
[22:14:25] <Reedy>	 Best speaking to robla probably
[22:14:30] <Daniel_WMDE>	 sbose78: but you of course would need the4 valid data. which the api prevents
[22:14:49] <Daniel_WMDE>	 Reedy: it has been on the road map for at least 2 years :)
[22:14:56] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) diff engine should use timestamps instead of revids to count revisions between diffed versions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/17591  -need-review -patch ; +comment (10Sumana Harihareswara)
[22:15:07] <Reedy>	 I know I know :p
[22:15:41] <sbose78>	 Daniel_WMDE: RoanKattouw : So basically, we don't have a functional API to edit wiki articles :)
[22:16:00] <Reedy>	 We do
[22:16:14] <Reedy>	 Editing works fine if you use it how it's designed to be used ;)
[22:16:36] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Redirects to Images on Shared Repos do not work - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/18248  +comment (10Sumana Harihareswara)
[22:16:43] <sbose78>	 Reedy: Like? :)
[22:16:46] <Daniel_WMDE>	 sbose78: sure, if you log in, generate tokens and then edit using the same client, it works
[22:16:49] <Reedy>	 ^
[22:16:53] <RoanKattouw>	 sbose78: It enforces proper web security, I'm sorry if you think that's a bug :)
[22:17:10] <Daniel_WMDE>	 well, it prevents 3rd party tools to act on behalf of users
[22:17:20] <Reedy>	 I know of a tool that has done over 46 million edits to enwiki using the api
[22:17:32] <sbose78>	 Daniel_WMDE: yeah that's what I was talking about :)
[22:17:32] <Daniel_WMDE>	 which is annoying, but indistinguishable from preventing 3rd parties from stealing sessions
[22:17:46] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Redirects to Images on Shared Repos do not work - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/18248  -need-review -patch ; +comment (10Sumana Harihareswara)
[22:17:56] <Daniel_WMDE>	 sbose78: well, there's no way to know that the 3rd party ius legit. it could just as well be an attacker
[22:18:00] <Daniel_WMDE>	 which is why this is prevented
[22:18:04] <codurr>	 New code comment: Hashar; > ''However I believe that this should make sure that $mediaWiki is actually set, I don't believe th; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/108343#c29317>
[22:18:13] <sbose78>	 Yeah Daniel_WMDE , I understand that.
[22:18:31] <Daniel_WMDE>	 the only proper way is oauth, or a similar mechanism, like fb login
[22:18:44] <MaxSem>	 Daniel_WMDE, I will probably be assigned to oAuth after I finish my current projects
[22:18:49] <sbose78>	 Oauth2.0
[22:18:49] <Daniel_WMDE>	 but sadly, we still don't have that
[22:18:59] <Daniel_WMDE>	 MaxSem: yay :)
[22:19:09] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Show estimate of number of edits to be reverted in rollback link - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/18834  +comment (10Sumana Harihareswara)
[22:19:16] <Daniel_WMDE>	 sbose78: so, progress is being made
[22:19:30] <Daniel_WMDE>	 toolserver folks have been waiting for this for oh, 5 years?
[22:19:32] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Show estimate of number of edits to be reverted in rollback link - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/18834  +comment (10Sumana Harihareswara)
[22:19:43] <sbose78>	 okay, and is an OAuth2.0 around the corner?
[22:19:59] <Daniel_WMDE>	 well, it's on the map, it seems.
[22:20:05] <codurr>	 New code comment: Hashar; > ''I was just thinking, since people want to do funky stuff on preview, and we can't stop them- May; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/100610#c29318>
[22:20:05] <Daniel_WMDE>	 don't know how far away though
[22:20:08] <Daniel_WMDE>	 MaxSem: any eta?
[22:20:18] <MaxSem>	 nope
[22:20:39] <sbose78>	 I would love to contribute. I spent about 6 hours to find where I was going wrong , till I landed up here ;)
[22:21:12] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Show estimate of number of edits to be reverted in rollback link - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/18834  -need-review -patch ; +comment (10Sumana Harihareswara)
[22:21:15] <Daniel_WMDE>	 well, if you volunteer to help with implementing ouath, more power to you!
[22:21:26] <sumanah>	 sbose78: we are in favour of contributors
[22:21:42] <Daniel_WMDE>	 http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/OAuth
[22:21:48] <Daniel_WMDE>	 sbose78: ---^
[22:21:50] <sumanah>	 sbose78: have you ever written or worked on MediaWiki or its extensions?
[22:22:28] <Daniel_WMDE>	 who are dartar and drdee?...
[22:22:37] <RoanKattouw>	 dartar = Dario Taraborelli
[22:22:41] <RoanKattouw>	 drdee = Diederik van Liere
[22:22:43] <sbose78>	 sumanah: No, I wanted to begin with Wiki apps :)  
[22:22:50] <RoanKattouw>	 (usually known as diederik)
[22:22:57] <sumanah>	 drdee: oh, that's another nick for you!
[22:23:14] <Daniel_WMDE>	 from a first glance, that page seems pretty good
[22:23:20] <sumanah>	 sbose78: the wiki ecology is pretty big and interesting
[22:23:22] <Daniel_WMDE>	 RoanKattouw: thanks
[22:23:38] <Daniel_WMDE>	 sbose78: so now you found a reason to hack the core :)
[22:23:42] <sbose78>	 Daniel_WMDE: proposal looks strong!
[22:23:51] <Daniel_WMDE>	 indeed
[22:24:28] <Daniel_WMDE>	 sbose78: if you want to have a go at it, i suggest to get in touch with the folks who wrote it, and with MaxSem.
[22:24:40] <hashar>	 have a good night
[22:24:46] <Daniel_WMDE>	 night hashar 
[22:25:14] <sbose78>	 Daniel_WMDE: yeah I do. okay I'll do that then.
[22:25:24] <Daniel_WMDE>	 \o/
[22:26:02] <sbose78>	 Good night :)
[22:26:34] <Daniel_WMDE>	 "Use of MW-OAuth in Wikimedia projects will require that data produced by any client service be made available under open licenses to the Wikimedia community and respect privacy terms established by WMF."
[22:26:36] <Daniel_WMDE>	 hm...
[22:26:47] <Daniel_WMDE>	 i expect there will be cases when these two requirements conflict
[22:26:56] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Textarea jumps when editing articles unless IE8 compatibility mode is on - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/19334  -need-review -patch ; +comment (10Sumana Harihareswara)
[22:27:30] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Textarea jumps when editing articles unless IE8 compatibility mode is on - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/19334  +comment (10Sumana Harihareswara)
[22:28:35] <codurr>	 03yaron * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/108553> 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/specials/SF_CreateCategory.php: Moved function into class, replaced some hardcoded HTML with calls to Xml class
[22:29:34] <codurr>	 New code comment: Krinkle; Perhaps use the <code>Html</code> class while at it ?; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/108553#c29319>
[22:30:29] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Special pages should follow a single standard in showing redlinks or hiding links - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/11400  -need-review -patch ; +comment (10Sumana Harihareswara)
[22:30:54] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Special pages should follow a single standard in showing redlinks or hiding links - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/11400  +comment (10Sumana Harihareswara)
[22:31:31] <codurr>	 03kaldari * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/108554> 10/trunk/extensions/CentralNotice/ (CentralNotice.db.php special/SpecialBannerAllocation.php): some more comments
[22:32:29] <sumanah>	 thanks for the updated spreadsheet, gicode -- I am using it to mark some obsolete patches 
[22:32:37] * varnent  merrily setting up, playing with and breaking a new VPS

[22:33:55] <codurr>	 03kaldari * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/108555> 10/trunk/extensions/CentralNotice/ (3 files in 2 dirs): follow-up to r108110 - making 1.18wmf compat
[22:34:05] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Send squid purges for extensions and specifically, on curid urls on DynamicPageList - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/21302  -need-review -patch ; +comment (10Sumana Harihareswara)
[22:34:23] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Send squid purges for extensions and specifically, on curid urls on DynamicPageList - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/21302  +comment (10Sumana Harihareswara)
[22:35:15] <ijciocjweoichr>	 Question about MediaWiki formatting...how do you indent a paragraph like this: http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i136/VDZx/indentation.png ? Using : indents all of the text in that paragraph, I only want to indent the first line
[22:36:35] <codurr>	 New code comment: Kaldari; Fixed in r108555.; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/108110#c29320>
[22:37:02] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Add an unique CSS class or ID to the tagfilter table row at RecentChanges - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/18704  -need-review -patch ; +comment (10Sumana Harihareswara)
[22:37:49] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Add an unique CSS class or ID to the tagfilter table row at RecentChanges - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/18704  +comment (10Sumana Harihareswara)
[22:39:00] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Add show updated marker preference - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/13910  -need-review -patch ; +comment (10Sumana Harihareswara)
[22:39:20] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Add show updated marker preference - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/13910  +comment (10Sumana Harihareswara)
[22:41:30] <Daniel_WMDE>	 ijciocjweoichr: you'd have to define a css style for it
[22:41:33] <Daniel_WMDE>	 !css
[22:41:33] <mw-bot>	 To change styles for your wiki, go to one of the MediaWiki:xxx.css wiki page (NOT a file) and put your custom styles there (sysop/admin rights required). MediaWiki:Common.css is for all skins and should be used for content styles. MediaWiki:Vector.css is for the Vector skin (default), etc. For more information, see !skins and <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Skin_configuration>
[22:42:19] <codurr>	 03bsitu * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/108556> 10/trunk/extensions/MoodBar/ (8 files in 2 dirs): followup to -r108187 - Introducing new field mbf_latest_response for latest feedback response and feedback without responses
[22:42:28] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Send squid purges for extensions and specifically, on curid urls on DynamicPageList - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/21302  +comment (10bawolff+wn)
[22:42:36] <Daniel_WMDE>	 ijciocjweoichr: you could make this the default for paragraphs, or sefine a class and apply it using html syntax.
[22:42:48] <sumanah>	 ^demon|away: it sounds like Aaron and I are ready to go over the commit access queue whenever you are -- there's just 1 item in there that needs discussion/review/decision
[22:42:49] <Daniel_WMDE>	 ...or just use a style attribute,m if you only need this once
[22:45:08] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) CSRF for anonymous page edits - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/12945  -need-review -patch ; +comment (10Sumana Harihareswara)
[22:45:38] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) CSRF for anonymous page edits - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/12945  +comment (10Sumana Harihareswara)
[22:47:19] <sumanah>	 gwicke: should I use your wicke@ or bugs@ address if adding you to a bugzilla cc list?
[22:47:33] <gwicke>	 wicke@
[22:48:04] <gwicke>	 hope you can see my reply- the network at the office is mostly down currently
[22:48:52] <sumanah>	 gwicke: I got it :)  my condolences on the loss of your network
[22:48:53] <ijciocjweoichr>	 Daniel_WMDE: Haven't managed to get it right yet, but that seems to be the right direction. Thanks!
[22:48:57] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Add <form> to list of non-paragraph-mode tags - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/12932   +newparser; +comment (10Sumana Harihareswara)
[22:49:32] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Add <form> to list of non-paragraph-mode tags - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/12932  +comment (10Sumana Harihareswara)
[22:52:10] <codurr>	 03rsterbin * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/108557> 10/trunk/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5/modules/ext.articleFeedbackv5/ext.articleFeedbackv5.css: Bumped down the fixed tab links' z-indexes so they fall below the modal overlay
[22:55:33] <Daniel_WMDE>	 hm... it would be oh so nice to have a stream of all updates to the link tables
[22:56:09] <Daniel_WMDE>	 basically, a log of lunk update actions. wouldn't even have to go back very far. a day would already be great.
[22:59:09] <codurr>	 03yaron * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/108558> 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/ (SemanticForms.php languages/SF_Messages.php): Follow-up to r108516 - after LanguageGetMagic hook was removed, a call to SF_Magic.php should have been added
[23:03:08] <codurr>	 03raindrift * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/108559> 10/trunk/phase3/ (10 files in 7 dirs): MERGE branches/concurrency 108301:108557 into trunk
[23:07:58] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Add <form> to list of non-paragraph-mode tags - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/12932  -need-review -patch  (10Sumana Harihareswara)
[23:08:23] <mw-jenkinsbot>	 Project MediaWiki-phpunit build #5464: FAILURE in 2 min 30 sec: http://integration.mediawiki.org/ci/job/MediaWiki-phpunit/5464/
[23:08:28] <sumanah>	 hexmode: hey, did you contact people who have today as their 20% day already?
[23:09:04] <Reedy>	 raindrift, all your tests fail on jenkins/sqlite...
[23:09:15] <Reedy>	 raindrift1, you broke jenkins
[23:09:17] <Reedy>	 Or more, in this case
[23:09:24] <Reedy>	 didn't add the updater stuff to sqliteupdater
[23:09:50] <codurr>	 New code comment: Catrope; <pre> \ + $res = $db->select( array( 'moodbar_feedback', 'moodbar_feedback_response' ), \ + array(; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/108556#c29321>
[23:09:50] <codurr>	 New code comment: Catrope; <pre> \ + $res = $db->select( array( 'moodbar_feedback', 'moodbar_feedback_response' ), \ + array(; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/108556#c29322>
[23:10:50] <mw-jenkinsbot>	 Project MediaWiki-phpunit build #5465: STILL FAILING in 2 min 26 sec: http://integration.mediawiki.org/ci/job/MediaWiki-phpunit/5465/
[23:11:03] <hexmode>	 sumanah: no, but the only person was brion and he is usually on top of things.
[23:11:17] <sumanah>	 hexmode: ok, cool.  Is the test deployment site up?
[23:11:54] <ijciocjweoichr>	 Problem solved. Thanks, Daniel_WMDE!
[23:12:06] <codurr>	 03reedy * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/108560> 10/trunk/phase3/ (4 files in 4 dirs):
[23:12:06] <codurr>	 Add svn:keywords Id
[23:12:06] <codurr>	 Trim trailing whitespace
[23:12:06] <codurr>	 Add explicit member variables
[23:12:38] <hexmode>	 sumanah: status here: http://etherpad.wikimedia.org/DeploymentPrep
[23:12:50] <codurr>	 New code comment: Reedy; http://integration.mediawiki.org/ci/job/MediaWiki-phpunit/5464/console \ Need to do the updater stuff; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/108559#c29323>
[23:13:25] <raindrift1>	 oh, damn.
[23:13:27] <RoanKattouw>	 Reedy: There's more than just that
[23:13:28] <raindrift1>	 i'll go take care of that.
[23:13:31] <RoanKattouw>	 raindrift1: You have other broken stuff too
[23:13:35] <codurr>	 New code comment: Catrope; Breaks unit tests: \ <pre> \ [exec] There was 1 error: \ [exec] \ [exec] 1) ConcurrencyChec; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/108559#c29324>
[23:13:40] <RoanKattouw>	 Like this one:
[23:13:43] <RoanKattouw>	      [exec] Query: SELECT  *  FROM unittest_concurrencycheck  WHERE cc_resource_type = 'CCUnitTest' AND (cc_record IN (1337,1338,1339,13310)) AND (cc_expiration > unix_timestamp(now()))  
[23:13:45] <RoanKattouw>	      [exec] Function: ConcurrencyCheck::status
[23:13:46] <RoanKattouw>	      [exec] Error: 1 no such function: now
[23:13:58] <RoanKattouw>	 Don't use SQL functions for timezone math
[23:14:01] <AaronSchulz>	 prolly mysql specific
[23:14:04] <sumanah>	 hexmode: ok, so from what I'm seeing, the test site won't be up for a few days.
[23:14:04] <raindrift1>	 RoanKattouw:  interesting.  which database engine is that?
[23:14:15] <RoanKattouw>	 SQLite
[23:14:19] <RoanKattouw>	 Also, your own tests fail, apparently
[23:14:28] <RoanKattouw>	 But maybe that's an avalanche effect from the first one
[23:14:32] <Reedy>	 I think so
[23:14:37] <Reedy>	 Can't expect tests to work with missing tables
[23:14:39] <raindrift1>	 RoanKattouw:  anyway, I'll go stop using the mysql-internal mow() function.  my tests run on my dev environment, but it's not SQLite.
[23:14:46] <RoanKattouw>	 raindrift1: Just use $db->timestamp( wfTimestampNow() ); or something
[23:14:56] <raindrift1>	 okay.  i'll take care of that.  thanks!
[23:15:11] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Line numbers are outside of left border when using <source ... line start= > on RTL wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33538  +comment (10robinp.1273)
[23:16:47] <hexmode>	 sumanah: maybe yeah....
[23:16:51] * hexmode  sighs

[23:17:21] <sumanah>	 johnduhart, petan, OrenBo, do you agree that the test site probably won't be up for a few days?
[23:17:30] <sumanah>	 I want to set expectations, know when to urge people to test it, etc.
[23:17:56] <petan>	 sumanah: hi, I don't know why it shouldn't be up?
[23:18:21] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Allow named, auto-incrementing elements - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/5641  -need-review -patch +newparser +parser +parsertest; +comment (10Sumana Harihareswara)
[23:18:26] <petan>	 actually I hoped today we are going to do last big maintenance for a long time :o
[23:18:40] <mw-jenkinsbot>	 Project MediaWiki-phpunit build #5466: STILL FAILING in 2 min 31 sec: http://integration.mediawiki.org/ci/job/MediaWiki-phpunit/5466/
[23:18:47] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Allow named, auto-incrementing elements - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/5641  +comment (10Sumana Harihareswara)
[23:19:24] <sumanah>	 petan: hexmode showed me http://etherpad.wikimedia.org/DeploymentPrep and it looks like there's a lot of stuff left to do before this site is ready for thorough testing.
[23:19:43] <petan>	 yes, but we are working quickly :o
[23:20:07] <petan>	 I believe it should be up in a day
[23:20:12] <petan>	 hopefully tommorow
[23:20:17] <hexmode>	 sumanah: I'm using the time to get things like http://labs.wikimedia.deployment.wmflabs.org/wiki/Test_cases
[23:20:17] <petan>	 but that's just a guess
[23:20:30] <hexmode>	 which I got from you, sumanah ;)
[23:20:50] <sumanah>	 hexmode: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Category:MediaWiki_test_plans has more.
[23:20:57] <petan>	 hexmode: can you check if registering work?
[23:21:00] <petan>	 on multiple wikis
[23:21:03] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Signature preview does not manage language interwikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33563  +comment (10Amgine.Saewyc)
[23:21:09] <petan>	 I hope SUL is fixed now
[23:21:15] <hexmode>	 It was for me before, will try again
[23:21:21] <petan>	 ah right
[23:21:25] <petan>	 in that case it's probably ok
[23:21:33] <petan>	 I didn't check it since it's fixed
[23:22:47] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Internet Explorer mobile browser displays error for Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33649 major; Wikimedia Mobile: generic; (KilliondudeWP)
[23:23:24] <petan>	 hexmode: abusefilter is not going to be easy for all sites... I can export some stuff from enwiki, commons and simple for now
[23:23:42] <petan>	 hexmode: I think we should make a notice regarding that
[23:23:45] <hexmode>	 petan: I can create an account and when I get the message about having new messages on my talk page, I lose my cookies
[23:23:59] <petan>	 ah...
[23:24:08] <petan>	 when you relog it's ok?
[23:24:15] <hexmode>	 no
[23:24:20] <hexmode>	 don't think so
[23:24:23] <petan>	 so you can't login?
[23:24:38] <petan>	 which wiki you tried
[23:24:49] <hexmode>	 commons 
[23:24:54] <petan>	 hm...
[23:24:54] <hexmode>	 so I logged in
[23:25:12] <hexmode>	 I see that I am logged in b/c it gives my username at the top right
[23:25:29] <hexmode>	 then I click "new messages"
[23:25:45] <petan>	 that sounds like memcached is down
[23:25:50] <hexmode>	 and it returns to "log in/create account" in the upper right
[23:25:52] <Reedy>	 Why is AF going to be hard? :/
[23:26:04] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Internet Explorer mobile browser displays error for Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33649  (10Killiondude)
[23:26:34] <petan>	 Reedy: there are private definitions + is it so simple to export all defs from a wiki?
[23:26:40] <hexmode>	 Reedy: can you import the filters easily?
[23:27:13] <Reedy>	 SQL?
[23:27:14] <petan>	 I mean for 600 wikis etc it could be annoying, without automatic tool
[23:27:31] <Reedy>	 ...
[23:27:40] <Reedy>	 Are you creating 600 test wikis?
[23:27:41] <Reedy>	 Even if you are
[23:27:54] <Reedy>	 1 sql query on each wiki, save to file
[23:27:55] <Reedy>	 it's not hard
[23:27:58] <hexmode>	 no, it is only a few
[23:27:59] <petan>	 we wanted to replicate all production wikis
[23:28:03] <petan>	 now it's few
[23:28:05] <petan>	 indeed
[23:28:28] <petan>	 I need to write some tool for that, so that we can just start it and... next day we have all wikis :D
[23:28:35] <Reedy>	 select * from abuse_filter where af_hidden = 0;
[23:28:37] <hexmode>	 Reedy: if you could get us dumps for http://labs.wikimedia.deployment.wmflabs.org/wiki/Special:SiteMatrix
[23:28:44] <hexmode>	 that would be awesome
[23:28:49] <Reedy>	 all actions can be exported straight off
[23:28:51] <Reedy>	 Log isn't needed
[23:28:58] <petan>	 Reedy: it's easy to say that but hard to execute for someone who doesn't have access to db
[23:29:00] <Reedy>	 history probably is also
[23:29:14] <Reedy>	 It's all replicated to the toolserver AFAIK
[23:29:18] <petan>	 really?
[23:29:22] <hexmode>	 Reedy: can we give you shell on deployment to do this?
[23:29:24] <petan>	 hm...
[23:29:51] <Reedy>	 yeah
[23:29:54] <Reedy>	 it's all on TS
[23:29:58] <petan>	 right
[23:30:04] <petan>	 I will do it...
[23:30:30] <Reedy>	 I'd guess TS also prefilters hidden ones
[23:30:31] * hexmode  updates the etherpad

[23:31:29] <codurr>	 03bsitu * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/108561> 10/trunk/extensions/MoodBar/ (3 files in 2 dirs): followup to -r108556 - make the maintenance script to process in batchsize at a time and add default 0 for mbf_latest_response
[23:36:44] <codurr>	 03siebrand * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/108562> 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/utils/TranslationEditPage.php: (bug 33645) Translate popups don't deal with markup in summary field description.
[23:36:54] * sumanah  subscribes to WMF Labs mailing list

[23:37:03] <RoanKattouw>	 There's a list
[23:37:04] <RoanKattouw>	 ?
[23:37:05] <codurr>	 03rmoen * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/108563> 10/trunk/extensions/MoodBar/ (ApiMoodBar.php MoodBar.i18n.php): make user contrib log reason translatable, add/document reason in language file r108484
[23:37:12] <sumanah>	 Ryan_Lane: IMO you should also email toolserver-l to suggest they sign up
[23:37:30] * Ryan_Lane  twitches

[23:37:44] <Ryan_Lane>	 I'm not sure I want to throw that grenade just yet
[23:38:00] <aharoni>	 hallo. i'm trying to run phpunit for the first time (it's ubuntu).
[23:38:09] * Reedy  grins at aharoni

[23:38:21] <aharoni>	 i get the error:
[23:38:22] <Reedy>	 Which problem are you having?
[23:38:27] <aharoni>	 PHP Warning:  require_once(PHP/CodeCoverage/Filter.php): failed to open stream: No such file or directory in /usr/share/php/PHPUnit/Autoload.php on line 46
[23:38:29] <aharoni>	 PHP Fatal error:  require_once(): Failed opening required 'PHP/CodeCoverage/Filter.php' (include_path='.:/usr/share/php:/usr/share/pear') in /usr/share/php/PHPUnit/Autoload.php on line 46
[23:38:30] <mw-jenkinsbot>	 Project MediaWiki-phpunit build #5467: STILL FAILING in 2 min 21 sec: http://integration.mediawiki.org/ci/job/MediaWiki-phpunit/5467/
[23:38:37] <Reedy>	 !phpunit
[23:38:37] <mw-bot>	 http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Unit_testing
[23:38:37] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Translate popups don't deal with markup in summary field description - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33645  +comment (10s.mazeland)
[23:38:44] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) Translate popups don't deal with markup in summary field description - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33645  (10Siebrand)
[23:39:03] <Reedy>	 aharoni, did you apt-get install phpunit?
[23:39:40] <Reedy>	 aharoni, follow http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1528717/phpunit-require-once-error
[23:40:06] <aharoni>	 yes, apt-get install phpunit
[23:40:24] <Reedy>	 phpunit in ubuntu 11.** is broken
[23:40:27] <Reedy>	 need pear dependancies
[23:40:48] * aharoni  is trying

[23:42:09] <codurr>	 03raindrift * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/108564> 10/trunk/phase3/ (3 files in 3 dirs):
[23:42:09] <codurr>	 Updated to use correct cross-db timestamps and date functions
[23:42:09] <codurr>	 Added to SQLite updater
[23:42:11] <codurr>	 03preilly * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/108565> 10/trunk/extensions/ZeroRatedMobileAccess/ (ZeroRatedMobileAccess.body.php ZeroRatedMobileAccess.php): enable extension only if testing or on wikipedia
[23:42:36] <sumanah>	 aharoni: btw did you have time to look at https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=22724 yet?
[23:42:53] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Upload Wizard crashes Safari when using long description texts - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33607  +comment (10Maury Markowitz)
[23:43:18] <sumanah>	 aharoni: looks like Neil K replied to it, so, less urgent.
[23:43:42] <mw-jenkinsbot>	 Project MediaWiki-phpunit build #5468: STILL FAILING in 2 min 33 sec: http://integration.mediawiki.org/ci/job/MediaWiki-phpunit/5468/
[23:44:22] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) New edit emails should offer a single-diff link - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/32210  +comment (10mrbluesky)
[23:44:37] <aharoni>	 sumanah, yes, i saw that Neil replied... but i nevertheless feel kinda committed to it, so i'll try to look at it again.
[23:44:48] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) New edit emails should offer a single-diff link - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/32210   +need-review +patch (10MrBlueSky)
[23:44:53] <sumanah>	 ok, thanks aharoni 
[23:45:02] <sumanah>	 man, MrBlueSky sure loves making fixes!
[23:46:26] <aharoni>	 reedy: "phpunit/PHP_CodeCoverage requires PEAR Installer (version >= 1.9.4), installed version is 1.9.2"
[23:46:38] <Reedy>	 pear upgrade pear?
[23:46:51] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Liquid Thread activation on meta - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33635  +comment (10Yair Rand)
[23:47:43] <codurr>	 03bsitu * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/108566> 10/trunk/extensions/MoodBar/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Adding svn:eol-style
[23:48:35] <codurr>	 New code comment: Catrope; <pre> \ $wgConcurrencyExpirationMin = 60 * -1; // Minimum possible checkout duration. Negative is p; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/108559#c29325>
[23:48:39] <aharoni>	 reedy, now it looks like it's installed, but:
[23:48:41] <mw-jenkinsbot>	 Project MediaWiki-phpunit build #5469: STILL FAILING in 2 min 32 sec: http://integration.mediawiki.org/ci/job/MediaWiki-phpunit/5469/
[23:48:49] <sumanah>	 aharoni: while I understand your feeling of commitment, I must point out that there are 12 i18n patches awaiting review: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/buglist.cgi?keywords=patch%2C%20need-review%2C%20i18n%2C%20&query_format=advanced&keywords_type=allwords&list_id=76775&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&product=MediaWiki&product=MediaWiki%20extensions 
[23:50:02] <sumanah>	 aharoni: I know that Tomer has been waiting for months for a review of his patch and feels discouraged :(
[23:50:19] <aharoni>	 php phpunit.php --configuration /var/www/entest01/tests/phpunit/suite.xml  --exclude-group Broken,Destructive,Database,Stub
[23:50:21] <aharoni>	 PHP Fatal error:  Call to undefined method PHP_CodeCoverage_Filter::getInstance() in /usr/share/php/PHPUnit/Autoload.php on line 64
[23:53:31] <mw-jenkinsbot>	 Project MediaWiki-phpunit build #5470: STILL FAILING in 2 min 23 sec: http://integration.mediawiki.org/ci/job/MediaWiki-phpunit/5470/
[23:54:20] <codurr>	 New code comment: Siebrand; Isn't this exactly the kind of stuff we didn't want to be put in trunk during the slush, or did I mi; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/108559#c29326>
[23:54:25] <codurr>	 03preilly * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/108567> 10/branches/wmf/1.18wmf1/extensions/MobileFrontend/ (17 files in 3 dirs): 1.18wmf1: MFT r106729 - r108534
[23:55:34] <codurr>	 New code comment: Catrope; I guess you could argue that. However, this adds dead code that's not actually used by anything (exc; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/108559#c29327>
[23:56:06] <RoanKattouw>	 brion: Given that you're the one that declared the code freeze (slush) and Chad is away, could you issue a ruling on https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/108559#c29326 ?
[23:56:20] <brion>	 looking
[23:57:08] <Reedy>	 aharoni, https://github.com/padraic/mockery/issues/43
[23:57:12] <brion>	 RoanKattouw: looks like that's a merge of stuff that's been being worked on for a while and is needed for feature stuff?
[23:57:30] <brion>	 does it affect behavior for other things? or just stub until it's used? ('dead code')
[23:57:44] <RoanKattouw>	 Mostly dead
[23:57:50] <RoanKattouw>	 The only code that calls it is an API module
[23:57:56] <RoanKattouw>	 Which is publicly exposed for the benefit of JS
[23:58:04] <RoanKattouw>	 But not actually used by anything except MoodBar (features ext)
[23:58:07] <brion>	 hm, adds a table? sheesh
[23:58:13] <RoanKattouw>	 Yeah, I know
[23:58:15] <brion>	 is that something that's globally needed?
[23:58:20] <brion>	 or should that be part of the extension?
[23:58:27] <RoanKattouw>	 I guess it could be part of the extension
[23:58:28] <AaronSchulz>	 it had lots of applications
[23:58:37] <RoanKattouw>	 But it makes sense to write it into core in a generic way
[23:58:59] * brion  looks at it in slightly more detail

[23:59:24] <RoanKattouw>	 (There is a long comment thread in there pointing out flaws in the concurrency logic and what not, but overall it's a fairly simple rev)
[23:59:47] <RoanKattouw>	 Even if the concurrency logic was flawed as hell, that wouldn't affect the stability of core at all
[23:59:49] <brion>	 ehhhhhhhhhhhhh yeah i'd worry about getting that right
[23:59:57] <RoanKattouw>	 As you should