[00:00:11] <Reedy>	 46/23
[00:07:11] <codurr>	 03reedy * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110637> 10/trunk/extensions/MobileFrontend/MobileFrontend.php:
[00:07:11] <codurr>	 Fix for r109884
[00:07:11] <codurr>	 Feels a bit icky, but using $wgExtensionFunctions to instantiate instance of ExtMobileFrontend and attach all the hooks (as the classes are loaded by that point)
[00:07:39] <Reedy>	 47/22
[00:07:54] <johnduhart>	 Reedy: ?
[00:08:02] <Reedy>	 new/fixme
[00:21:14] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) inclusion of devanagari numerals in title text of hindi wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34176  (10Shaurabh Bharti)
[00:39:09] <wikibugs>	 14(INVALID) inclusion of devanagari numerals in title text of hindi wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34176  +comment (10Robin Pepermans (SPQRobin))
[00:42:46] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) the jquery.tipsy CSS is wrong for RTL - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34175   +i18n (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[00:43:34] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) tracking bug for RTL bugs in the Wikimedia Mobile Android app - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34166  (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[00:43:37] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Tracking bug (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/2007  (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[00:44:50] <codurr>	 03kaldari * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110638> 10/trunk/extensions/ArticleCreationWorkflow/ArticleCreationWorkflow.hooks.php: define method so we dont get an error when loading non-existant pages
[00:52:17] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) inclusion of devanagari numerals in title text of hindi wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34176  +comment (10sbharti)
[00:58:33] <codurr>	 New code comment: Aaron Schulz; A part of me died while reading this file.; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110568#c30436>
[00:58:57] <johnduhart>	 heh AaronSchulz
[00:59:05] <AaronSchulz>	 TimStarling: how is code review land?
[00:59:49] <codurr>	 03inez * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110639> 10/trunk/extensions/VisualEditor/contentEditable/ime.html: Playground for IME (switch from textarea to contenteditable div)
[01:00:48] <codurr>	 New code comment: ^demon; And which part would that be?; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110568#c30437>
[01:02:03] <codurr>	 New code comment: Aaron Schulz; You don't want to know...; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110568#c30438>
[01:02:39] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) the jquery.tipsy CSS is wrong for RTL - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34175  +comment (10Robin Pepermans (SPQRobin))
[01:14:27] <OffGridOps>	 MW 1.18:  Am hopeful a person named brightbyte is here to discuss Extension: PrivatePageProtection
[01:16:33] <codurr>	 New code comment: ^demon; As long as the autoloader entry is already defined, it should work :\; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/109884#c30439>
[01:16:49] <OffGridOps>	 I last spoke w/them and their handle here was Daniel_WDME.  IN RE:  Extension not working on 1.18 and they said to check in the IRC periodically.  Thanx
[01:29:46] <robla>	 OffGridOps: Daniel_WMDE is in Germany, and this stuff is his day job, so best time to catch him is during the business day there or maybe a little later
[01:33:12] <robla>	 code review progress over the past couple of days has been really great
[01:34:07] * robla  wonders if hexmode pushed the changes he made to his script

[01:34:59] <robla>	 oh good, he did
[01:35:38] <SPQRobin>	 the tipsy tooltip in CodeReview doesn't work on my local wiki.. do I need to enable it somehow or should it work anyway?
[01:36:00] * robla  isn't sure

[01:42:00] <johnduhart>	 SPQRobin: It should work automatically iirc
[01:42:11] <johnduhart>	 Do you see any javascript errors in the console?
[01:43:46] <SPQRobin>	 johnduhart: no but the <a> doesn't include original-title="" containing the tooltip
[01:44:16] <Morbus>	 is there any further information on the extensions shipped with 1.18 or should i just check the extension page themselves on .org?
[01:48:46] <robla>	 Morbus: I'm assuming you're referring to the installer and not what we've deployed to the Wikimedia sites
[01:48:55] <Morbus>	 aye.
[01:49:46] <robla>	 other than in the tarball itself, I think the next best place to check is in the script that makes the installer
[01:49:52] * robla  pokes for where that is

[01:50:40] <Morbus>	 no worries.
[01:50:52] <SPQRobin>	 johnduhart: oh, it works on a 1.18wmf1 checkout, but not on trunk... so it's removed apparently
[01:53:52] <^demon>	 robla: http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/tools/make-release/
[01:54:18] <robla>	 ah...thanks
[01:54:44] * robla  got distracted because of stupid phone memory issue

[01:55:17] <^demon>	 Line 213.
[01:55:34] <Morbus>	 ty
[02:18:59] <codurr>	 03robin * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110640> 10/trunk/phase3/resources/jquery.tipsy/jquery.tipsy.css:
[02:18:59] <codurr>	 Add @noflip to arrow directions like "southwest", as that is the same location
[02:18:59] <codurr>	 regardless of language directionality. The arrow was displayed at the wrong
[02:18:59] <codurr>	 side. Also removing text-align:left; for the tooltip as the text direction
[02:18:59] <codurr>	 should be set in html if needed, and shouldn't be overridden by (flipped) css.
[02:20:46] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Enable gadgets at ml.wiktionary - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34177 enhancement; Wikimedia: Site requests; (vssun9)
[02:25:48] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) the jquery.tipsy CSS is wrong for RTL - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34175  +comment (10Robin Pepermans (SPQRobin))
[02:29:03] <codurr>	 New code comment: SPQRobin; Ow, fixes bug 34175.; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110640#c30440>
[03:41:47] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Special:SearchByProperty with number datatype does not display page names - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34178 normal; MediaWiki extensions: Semantic MediaWiki; (craig.hoffman)
[03:42:29] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Special:SearchByProperty without exact matches does not display page names - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34178  summary (10choffman)
[04:08:02] <codurr>	 New code comment: Tim Starling; This was fixed in r107991.; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/106752#c30441>
[04:08:13] <JohnTeddy>	 Fatal error: Class 'FSFileBackend' not found in /home/joyncy/joseph/extensions/timeline/Timeline.php on line 71
[04:08:37] <TimStarling>	 use the right version of it
[04:09:21] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Unexpectedly blocks all protocols, not just http/https - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34179 normal; MediaWiki extensions: Spam Blacklist; (b-jorsch)
[04:09:48] <JohnTeddy>	 TimStarling: me?
[04:15:14] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Unexpectedly blocks all protocols, not just http/https - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34179  +comment (10Chad H.)
[04:15:58] <Nikerabbit>	 morning
[04:16:04] <TimStarling>	 JohnTeddy: yes, use the right version of timeline for your version of mediawiki
[04:16:18] <TimStarling>	 morning Nikerabbit
[04:17:02] <Nikerabbit>	 boarding to a plane in an hour
[04:17:23] <Aaron|home>	 Nikerabbit: ello
[04:17:25] <^demon>	 Was gonna say, you're up awfully early.
[04:18:01] <Nikerabbit>	 i woke up two hours ago!
[04:19:03] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Unexpectedly blocks all protocols, not just http/https - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34179  +comment (10b-jorsch)
[04:19:41] <JohnTeddy>	 == MediaWiki 1.16.4 ==
[04:19:45] <JohnTeddy>	 Which version of time line should I use?
[04:20:55] <JohnTeddy>	 nevermind
[04:21:04] <JohnTeddy>	 mediawiki has a script for this in the download sectino
[04:21:13] <JohnTeddy>	 http://upload.wikimedia.org/ext-dist/timeline-MW1.16-r62018.tar.gz
[04:22:30] <JohnTeddy>	 TimStarling: So when I install the right version of timeline, I don't get any errors anymore. Though the graphic doesn't display.
[04:22:52] <Nikerabbit>	 hi santhosh 
[04:22:55] <TimStarling>	 Aaron|home: have you tested file deletion recently?
[04:23:38] <Aaron|home>	 yes
[04:24:31] <TimStarling>	 it seems broken for me, I'll isolate it
[04:24:38] <JohnTeddy>	 I get a little graphic that isn't a graphic.. but the png symbol, sort of
[04:25:03] <JohnTeddy>	 Where are the errors/logs for Timeline?
[04:25:41] * Aaron|home  deletes & restores

[04:25:53] <Aaron|home>	 <b>Warning</b>:  Illegal string offset 'LIMIT' in <b>C:\wamp\www\MediaWiki\includes\db\Database.php</b> on line <b>1445</b><br />
[04:26:17] <Aaron|home>	 <b>Warning</b>:  gzinflate(): data error in <b>C:\wamp\www\MediaWiki\includes\Revision.php</b> on line <b>876</b><br />
[04:26:32] * Aaron|home  is running PHP5.4 on this box

[04:27:18] <JohnTeddy>	 [Thu Feb 02 20:23:51 2012] [error] [client 68.175.xx.xx] File does not exist: /home/joyncy/joseph/images/timeline/f7977b98c3e499dceed284523abdae89.png, referer: http://www.xxxxxx.com/index.php?title=JT_Timeline
[04:28:28] <JohnTeddy>	 Perhaps it's because I just pulled some example timeline code that is for the new version, not sure.
[04:28:40] <JohnTeddy>	 Where are extension errors/logs?
[04:29:10] <TimStarling>	 Aaron|home: mine is really broken, not just a warning or two
[04:32:49] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) New test tool: examin a syntax against the past hits of a filter - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34180 enhancement; MediaWiki extensions: AbuseFilter; (dy_yol)
[04:33:00] <TimStarling>	 ok, first problem: article deletion is completed before file deletion
[04:33:13] <TimStarling>	 then if file deletion fails, it shows an error, fine, but now the article is gone
[04:33:44] <TimStarling>	 and if the article is missing but the file still exists and you try to delete it, it shows a cryptic broken error message and refuses to delete the file
[04:33:51] <JohnTeddy>	 How can I find old markup for an older extension?
[04:34:26] <TimStarling>	 that's that issue dates to r63018 apparently
[04:34:31] <TimStarling>	 s/that's//
[04:35:02] <JohnTeddy>	 TimStarling: So try r63018?
[04:35:14] <TimStarling>	 I'm talking to Aaron|home
[04:35:14] <Aaron|home>	 TimStarling: I complained about that before, heh ran into that too
[04:35:39] <Aaron|home>	 At first I was wondered if it was a result of some refactoring by ialex but he said it was older
[04:35:57] <TimStarling>	 yeah r103202
[04:36:01] <Aaron|home>	 I have to restore first
[04:36:26] <TimStarling>	 but r63018 is where the Status::newFatal( 'error' ) was introduced
[04:38:25] <Dantman>	 Beautifull... judging by the current state of the whatwg multipage html(5) spec that <time> vs. <data> debate finished in the absolute perfect result I had hoped for...
[04:41:16] <TimStarling>	 the thing that caused the rename() to fail was my fault
[04:43:21] <JohnTeddy>	 I wonder if this is a font issue.
[04:44:17] <codurr>	 New code comment: Tim Starling; <pre> \ + $status = Status::newFatal( 'error' ); \ </pre> \ "error" is not an informative error message.; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/63018#c30442>
[04:46:31] <JohnTeddy>	 TimStarling: http://pastebin.com/yWR33t6Z
[04:49:45] <JohnTeddy>	 http://pastebin.com/41tq9KMd
[04:49:48] <JohnTeddy>	 That is a better log.
[04:53:26] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Enable Narayam/WebFonts for sa.wikisource.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34159  (10abhivasishtaa)
[04:54:52] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Enable Narayam/WebFonts for sa.wikisource.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34159  (10abhivasishtaa)
[04:55:53] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Deprecate wfHttpError() - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34151  +comment (10Chad H.)
[04:56:12] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Enable Narayam/WebFonts for sa.wikisource.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34159  (10abhivasishtaa)
[04:58:45] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) $wgExternalLinkTarget = "_blank" not working in 1.19-svn - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34054  (10Chad H.)
[05:02:47] <codurr>	 New code comment: Tim Starling; This causes the Squid purge to be done unconditionally, instead of only when the thumbnail is actual; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/96516#c30443>
[05:03:37] <TimStarling>	 Aaron|home: can you imagine what would have happened if that revision was deployed?
[05:04:57] * Aaron|home  looks

[05:07:52] <Aaron|home>	 I must be missing something
[05:08:34] <Aaron|home>	 oh, wait
[05:08:37] * Aaron|home  looks at the whole file

[05:09:05] <Aaron|home>	 :s
[05:09:27] <TimStarling>	 the break after the getTransform() calls in the old version skips the squid update
[05:09:51] <Aaron|home>	 yeah I see
[05:10:10] <Aaron|home>	 it's a bizzare control pattern there...
[05:10:23] * Aaron|home  sees how hard a revert is

[05:10:28] <TimStarling>	 you know it's my code right? ;)
[05:11:03] <TimStarling>	 there are quite a few revisions on top, according to the annotation
[05:11:35] <TimStarling>	 probably nothing major but it won't just be svn merge -c -96516
[05:12:27] <TimStarling>	 I almost didn't notice it
[05:13:12] <TimStarling>	 we would have overloaded the thumbnail backend, mark would have been breathing down our necks
[05:13:27] <TimStarling>	 the whole ops team really
[05:13:38] <TimStarling>	 but once the images are gone from the cache, it takes a while to refill
[05:14:00] <TimStarling>	 not a nice situation
[05:15:17] <Aaron|home>	 probably easier to just fix than revert
[05:16:06] * Dantman  feels tempted to write something to completely replace our line based regex link matching

[05:16:26] <Dantman>	 ie: For spam blacklist, image whitelist, and anything like them
[05:20:11] <Dantman>	 Something with a real special page interface
[05:20:45] <Dantman>	 One that would let you select a radio box or checbox saying "Domain match" and enter a domain or domain wildcard
[05:21:08] <TimStarling>	 Dantman: that would be nice
[05:21:44] <Dantman>	 Our little security hole with the image embed whitelist wouldn't be as widely troublesome
[05:22:36] <TimStarling>	 ever since I introduced LinkFilter I wanted to use it for filtering
[05:22:43] <TimStarling>	 there's even a todo comment at the top of it
[05:24:38] <Aaron|home>	 so was the do/while there to avoid wfProfileOut() calls or something?
[05:26:39] <TimStarling>	 yes, looks like it
[05:28:09] <JohnTeddy>	 How can I see what fonts mediawiki is aware of?
[05:28:26] <JohnTeddy>	 putenv("GDFONTPATH=[/home/joyncy/.fonts/freefont-20100919]");
[05:28:31] <JohnTeddy>	 I want to see if that works.
[05:31:37] <TimStarling>	 JohnTeddy: that pastebin doesn't look like a font issue
[05:32:23] <JohnTeddy>	 TimStarling: What kind of issue does it look like? my syntax is crappy?
[05:32:59] <JohnTeddy>	 My current best theory, is that easytimeline had a lot of changes in the last 10 months.. and the syntax examples I'm getting from mediawiki are broken on the older version of Easytimeline
[05:33:00] <TimStarling>	 yes
[05:33:12] <TimStarling>	 it is a syntax error
[05:33:19] <JohnTeddy>	 I copy/pasted directly from mediawiki
[05:33:28] <TimStarling>	 it seems unlikely that the syntax would ever change
[05:33:33] <TimStarling>	 nobody maintains that code
[05:34:22] <Aaron|home>	 will anyone die if I remove the "loop"?
[05:34:32] <JohnTeddy>	 Where can I find out what the syntax should look like?
[05:34:50] <JohnTeddy>	 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Timeline_of_the_Mexican_Revolution
[05:34:54] <JohnTeddy>	 I just copied things like that.
[05:35:19] <TimStarling>	 Aaron|home: I think I'll survive
[05:35:48] <TimStarling>	 JohnTeddy: Timeline.php strips out the parts outside the <timeline></timeline> before it sends it to EasyTimeline.pl
[05:36:11] <TimStarling>	 in blah.txt you just want the part starting at ImageSize
[05:37:35] <Aaron|home>	 we need a wfScopedProfileIn() ... ;p
[05:38:32] <TimStarling>	 do {} while (false) is a nice little trick though, I don't remember where I first saw it
[05:38:37] <TimStarling>	 but I used it in a few places in MediaWiki
[05:39:14] <JohnTeddy>	 TimStarling: nice, thanks a lot!
[05:39:20] <JohnTeddy>	 Good tip, that got me to some ploticus errors
[05:39:32] <TimStarling>	 Aaron|home: it probably makes more sense if you have more cleanup code
[05:39:38] <JohnTeddy>	 The website/media wiki doesn't output good errors, just running the script manually seems to give the best errors
[05:40:47] <JohnTeddy>	 http://pastebin.com/Ta2Z1pP2
[05:45:11] <TimStarling>	 JohnTeddy: looks like you need to install ploticus
[05:50:28] <JohnTeddy>	 It's install
[05:50:32] <JohnTeddy>	 I just don't have root.
[05:50:44] <JohnTeddy>	 I didn't set a link to it in the PATH variable
[05:51:06] <JohnTeddy>	 $wgTimelineSettings->ploticusCommand = "/home/joyncy/joynlife.me/ploticus/pl";
[05:51:13] <JohnTeddy>	 I put that in my LocalSettings.php though.
[05:51:16] <JohnTeddy>	 I thought that would work.
[05:51:28] <JohnTeddy>	 It didn't, a bash variable is necessary
[05:51:29] <JohnTeddy>	 o well
[05:51:34] <JohnTeddy>	 It generated my svg now
[05:58:21] <JohnTeddy>	 hehe, TimStarling your name is in the changelog for easytimeline
[05:59:40] <JohnTeddy>	 So when I manually parse time lines with CLI, it works fine. Though when I use mediawiki, it doesn't work. It's not generating the actual file.
[06:00:12] <JohnTeddy>	 I can see mediawiki link to the file, like 'images/timeline/74a55c64f3a0be848cd035198e367dbc.png', though easy time line never generated that file.
[06:02:05] <TimStarling>	 that changelog entry refers to https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/3940
[06:02:06] <Aaron|home>	 TimStarling: http://pastebin.com/g47CerDk
[06:02:31] <TimStarling>	 almost 8 years ago
[06:03:06] <TimStarling>	 Aaron|home: so you kept the pseudo-loop?
[06:03:10] <Aaron|home>	 JohnTeddy: did you change PATH variables lately
[06:03:19] <Aaron|home>	 TimStarling: I'll rewrite the whole thing in 1.20
[06:03:37] <Aaron|home>	 but I don't want to get too deep into this at this point
[06:03:59] <TimStarling>	 so you moved the code back in from maybeDoTransform() and changed the returns back to breaks?
[06:04:01] <Aaron|home>	 the loop handles the is_object() tenary easily
[06:04:11] <Aaron|home>	 yep
[06:04:37] <TimStarling>	 that should be fine
[06:04:42] <TimStarling>	 did you test squid purging?
[06:05:37] <Aaron|home>	 no
[06:06:49] <TimStarling>	 you can leave it to me if you like
[06:07:18] <TimStarling>	 there's some commented-out code in SquidUpdate.php that I use to test purging with no actual squid instance
[06:07:51] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Enable "Article Feedback" on Georgian Wikipedia (ka.wikipedia.org) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33377  +comment (10g.natela)
[06:08:06] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Update sidebar - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34181 normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (arjunaraoc)
[06:08:22] <Dantman>	 Hmmm...
[06:08:36] <JohnTeddy>	 Aaron|home: I did, but I made a backup and reverted
[06:08:47] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Update sidebar - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34181  normal->major (10Arjuna Rao Chavala)
[06:12:21] <JohnTeddy>	 EasyTimeLine.pl works fine when I manually run it, Timeline.php seems to be running somewhat also... because after I add <timeline> code, and click save.. it's showing me a non-existent image file that was never created, eg: /images/timeline/74a55c64f3a0be848cd035198e367dbc.png
[06:12:35] <JohnTeddy>	 Is there a way I can run TimeLine.php manually?
[06:13:18] <JohnTeddy>	 Or get some kind of verbosity from TimeLine.php/logs
[06:16:51] <codurr>	 03aaron * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110641> 10/trunk/phase3/includes/filerepo/file/File.php: Reverted r96516, manually, per CR. Moved maybeDoTransform() code back into transform().
[06:17:43] <TimStarling>	 JohnTeddy: if there's no *.err file, then all you can do is edit the source
[06:18:10] <TimStarling>	 hmm, I guess you could enable the debug log
[06:18:20] <JohnTeddy>	 There is a .err file is I mess up the syntax and run EasyTimeline.pl -i badsyntax.txt
[06:18:25] <TimStarling>	 then wfShellExec() would log the shell command
[06:18:37] <JohnTeddy>	 Easyline.php doesn't seem to execute EasyTimeline.pl though?
[06:19:07] <TimStarling>	 set $wgDebugLogFile = something in your LocalSettings.php
[06:19:14] <TimStarling>	 some writable file path
[06:19:22] <Bencmq>	 Hi guys, i'm wondering if there is an extension that will auto-link words that have a existing page. I found Extension:AutoLink but it's no longer supported. Is there alternatives?
[06:19:23] <JohnTeddy>	 ok
[06:20:04] <Aaron|home>	 JohnTeddy: what did you change with the PATH?
[06:21:28] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) English numbers in Assamese Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34174  +comment (10Santhosh Thottingal)
[06:21:32] <JohnTeddy>	 Aaron|home: bash, or LocalSettings.php?
[06:21:41] <Aaron|home>	 bash
[06:21:55] <JohnTeddy>	 I added the path to where 'pl' is.
[06:22:09] <JohnTeddy>	 So now when I type 'pl' in CLI ploticus executes
[06:22:10] <Aaron|home>	 was apache restarted?
[06:22:22] <JohnTeddy>	 It's shared hosting with dreamhost
[06:22:42] <JohnTeddy>	 After I fixed 'pl', now EasyTimeLine.pl works
[06:22:48] <JohnTeddy>	 When I manually feed it files.
[06:22:51] <JohnTeddy>	 before that it didn't work
[06:24:22] <Aaron|home>	 is it using nconvert?
[06:24:28] <JohnTeddy>	 http://pastebin.com/8fVjvQAz
[06:24:36] <JohnTeddy>	 I think that file is the problem some how.
[06:24:47] <JohnTeddy>	 I did modify a couple variables in that file.
[06:24:52] <JohnTeddy>	 Though I have the original backup
[06:25:10] <JohnTeddy>	 var $timelineFile = '~/extensions/timeline/EasyTimeline.pl'; and var $fontFile = '~/.fonts/freefont-20100919/FreeSans.ttf';
[06:25:21] <JohnTeddy>	 $wgTimelineSettings->ploticusCommand = "pl";
[06:25:34] <JohnTeddy>	 and that, it used to say /usr/bin/ploticus, but since it's shared hosting.. I had to give it the local path
[06:25:35] <Aaron|home>	 why not set it to the full path?
[06:26:04] <JohnTeddy>	 I tried that too, same problem
[06:26:44] <JohnTeddy>	 mediawiki knows something is going on with TimeLine, because when I use the <timeline> tag... it makes the page a http link to an image on the server, but that image just wasn't created by EasyTimeline.pl
[06:27:22] <JohnTeddy>	 $wgDebugLogFile = ./debug.log
[06:27:27] <JohnTeddy>	 Also mediawiki doesn't like that, why?
[06:27:44] <TimStarling>	 lack of quotes and semicolon?
[06:28:01] <JohnTeddy>	 thanks
[06:28:05] <Dantman>	 TimStarling: Actually. Rather than a set of radio/check boxes listing various things like "Match domain name pattern", "Match regex pattern", etc... the stuff I'm seeing in meta's spam blacklist is making me itch with the idea of using contentEditable to create a fancy js input field that would let users create really complex and advanced url matches with an intuitive user interface
[06:28:46] <Aaron|home>	 heh
[06:30:08] <JohnTeddy>	 This debug mode is awesome
[06:30:46] <Dantman>	 Now if I only had images of similar fancy inputs
[06:30:56] <Dantman>	 I can't think of what kind of terms I'd search for
[06:33:05] <JohnTeddy>	 o I know..
[06:33:09] <JohnTeddy>	 I think it's the symbolic link I made
[06:33:36] <JohnTeddy>	 [tyl]$ echo $PATH; ls -al ~/.gems/bin/pl;
[06:33:37] <JohnTeddy>	 /home/joyncy/.gems/bin:/usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/bin/:/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/games:/home/joyncy/joynlife.me/ploticus/src/pl
[06:33:39] <JohnTeddy>	 lrwxrwxrwx 1 joyncy pg4985768 40 Feb  2 21:47 /home/joyncy/.gems/bin/pl -> /home/joyncy/joynlife.me/ploticus/src/pl
[06:34:05] <JohnTeddy>	 sh: /home/joyncy/joynlife.me/ploticus/pl: No such file or directory
[06:34:13] <JohnTeddy>	 That variable is wrong.. where is that variable.
[06:34:16] <JohnTeddy>	 That's the problem
[06:35:25] <JohnTeddy>	 hell yes
[06:35:32] <JohnTeddy>	 It's all fixed now
[06:35:33] <JohnTeddy>	 woohoo
[06:35:38] <Dantman>	 Ahh... aaaaahhhh... contenteditable... not one line.... EVERYTHING... oohhh the madness
[06:35:43] <JohnTeddy>	 Thanks Aaron|home and TimStarling for all the help/tips, I really appreciate it.
[06:35:55] <Dantman>	 A gigantic editing area
[06:36:02] <TimStarling>	 no problem
[06:36:16] <JohnTeddy>	 That melatonin is kicking in I took 20 minutes ago, night.
[06:37:40] <Dantman>	 Url filters, one on each line. Special syntaxes like * enclosed in fancy button like boxes indicating their special casing. The entire thing a contenteditable interface. Click on the text of a url filter and start typing. Then submit the whole huge form when done.
[06:40:22] <Aaron|home>	 melatonin makes my sleep cycle inconsistent
[06:43:21] * Aaron|home  drinks the last beer in his room

[06:49:06] <Amgine>	 <blames Alphos, and the brandy>
[06:53:09] <guest1234>	 Hello. About bug 15870 - "Enabling TeX (<math>) support should be much simpler". If someone provides a patch that does the math to XHTML/PNG conversion entirely in PHP, will it have a chance of being committed into Extension:Math? 
[06:53:17] <guest1234>	 I'm wondering whether the devs think it's ok to reimplement in PHP, because one might choose to invoke separate programs intentionally, to keep MW compatible with future changes in the latex syntax (which would be implemented separately). Just wondering whether that's the case.
[06:54:01] <guest1234>	 (... so that I know if it's worth to spend my time on the PHP code)
[06:57:04] <Amgine>	 Yes, it may be. But it would be a good idea to to talk with more devs during better hours and get some feed back on the idea, Guest1234.
[06:57:19] <Amgine>	 <is in bed, asleep, really.>
[07:00:42] <guest1234>	 Amgine, what do you mean by "better hours"? And how/where can I get feedback other than IRC?
[07:01:03] <p858snake|l>	 guest1234: yes... Actually getting our maths support in a easy to use "language" has been a wanted feature for awhile
[07:01:59] <p858snake|l>	 guest1234: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17465
[07:17:16] <guest1234>	 ok, thanks to you both
[07:17:26] <Dantman>	 Never good with mockups... but... http://i.imgur.com/Lk6mx.png
[07:31:50] <caimlas>	 hi, I migrated a mediawiki 1.16.2 install from a debian 5 to debian 6 machine. I'm using sqlite (personal use). I ran tar -czvf mediawiki-backup.tgz mediawiki on the debian 5 side, then tar -xzvf mediawiki.tgz on the destination side. paths are the same. I verified that the paths are correct for the database and file permissions are +rw for www-data on both user and group (the web server user). the wiki works on the original debia
[07:31:50] <caimlas>	 n 5 machine still; however, on the debian 6 machine (a vm) I get "(Can't contact the database server: Cannot return last error, no db connection)" when trying to connect. can anyone possibly help with this?
[07:34:53] <caimlas>	 the original debian 5 install was installed from a mediawiki.org tarball, if it makes any difference.
[07:40:36] <caimlas>	 snap. nevermind.
[07:40:43] <caimlas>	 needed php sqlite lib
[07:41:41] <MaxSem>	 hmm, error message could have been clearer
[08:20:30] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Datatype quantity does not recognize comma - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/32661  +comment (10info)
[08:32:48] <codurr>	 03ialex * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110642> 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ (GlobalFunctions.php Wiki.php WikiPage.php debug/Debug.php): wfTime() -> microtime( true ), no need to use the former which is just a wrapper to the latter
[08:35:03] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Page translation with external link needing CAPTCHA - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34182 normal; MediaWiki extensions: Translate; (aokomoriuta)
[08:45:38] <warlock>	 mornin
[09:01:59] <codurr>	 03oren * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110643> 10/trunk/lucene-search-3/src/site/site.xml: fixed an unclosed tag in site descriptor xml broke the build
[09:11:28] <Conny_>	 Hey Raymond_ - we have short question for SlippyMap.
[09:11:47] <codurr>	 03oren * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110644> 10/trunk/lucene-search-3/src/site/resources/: images location for documentation site
[09:12:11] <codurr>	 03oren * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110645> 10/trunk/lucene-search-3/src/site/resources/images/: images location for documentation site
[09:12:33] <codurr>	 03santhosh * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110646> 10/trunk/extensions/Narayam/resources/ext.narayam.rules.gu.js: Correct the transliteration of o and O in Gujarati Transliteration as requested in Bug 34056
[09:14:03] <Conny_>	 Anybody can give us a hint to get an older version of slippy map?
[09:14:14] <Conny_>	 We need a version before September 2011.
[09:24:29] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Update key mapping in Narayam Gujarati transliteration - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34056  +comment (10santhosh.thottingal)
[09:31:03] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Page translation with external link needing CAPTCHA - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34182  +comment (10s.mazeland)
[09:54:45] <codurr>	 03ialex * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110648> 10/trunk/phase3/includes/GlobalFunctions.php: Moved wfDeprecated() and wfWarn() near other debug-related functions
[09:55:51] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Interwiki lists sort in phonetic, site-defined order - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/2867  +comment (10Siebrand)
[10:04:48] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) add alias redirection in ml wikisource - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34183 major; MediaWiki: Redirects; (manojkmohanme03107)
[10:18:24] <codurr>	 03maxsem * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110649> 10/trunk/extensions/GeoData/ (7 files in 2 dirs): DB schema revamp based on discussion with Asher
[10:30:52] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) update statistic/count tables on vepwiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34184 minor; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (bugreporter)
[10:30:52] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Create Veps Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/32510  (10merl)
[10:39:47] <codurr>	 New code comment: Siebrand; This is an external library. How are we ensuring that our local fixes are included upstream?; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110640#c30444>
[10:41:47] <codurr>	 New code comment: Raymond; Request for message documentation: https://translatewiki.net/wiki/Thread:Support/About_MediaWiki:Bac; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/108749#c30445>
[10:44:02] <codurr>	 New code comment: Siebrand; By the way, it looks pretty unmaintained, as there are 28 open pull requests and 0 closed pull reque; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110640#c30446>
[10:44:32] <codurr>	 New code comment: Raymond; Request for clarifying message: https://translatewiki.net/wiki/Thread:Support/About_MediaWiki:Backen; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/109591#c30447>
[10:50:57] <Revo>	 Does anyone know how I can transclude all pages from a category?
[11:16:32] <codurr>	 New code comment: Santhosh.thottingal; The new CldrNames.php has a copy-pasted copyright header.; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110628#c30448>
[11:18:07] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) login-progress message should be in past tense, not present - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34185 minor; MediaWiki extensions: CentralAuth; (post)
[11:19:44] <codurr>	 03ialex * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110650> 10/trunk/phase3/includes/specials/SpecialWantedcategories.php: Use local context to get message instead of relying on global variables
[11:20:46] <codurr>	 03oren * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110651> 10/trunk/lucene-search-3/src/site/ (images/ site.xml): setting the banner's url
[11:32:52] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) English numbers in Assamese Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34174  +comment (10psneog)
[11:35:09] <wikibugs>	 14(DUP) English numbers in Assamese Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34174  +comment (10Prabhakar Sarma Neog)
[11:35:11] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Assamese Vs Latin numerals in templates using parser functions, Set "$wgTranslateNumerals = false;" for aswiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31371  +comment (10Prabhakar Sarma Neog)
[11:36:35] <codurr>	 03oren * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110652> 10/trunk/lucene-search-3/src/site/resources/images/ (Filter Chains.svg SearchNG.svg): Updating to the documentation
[11:48:01] <yuvipanda>	 what is a man to do when his jquery keeps segfaulting on him?
[11:48:04] * yuvipanda  goes to find nearest wall

[11:48:47] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) When there is only one minor edit, it isn't marked as minor (i.e. "m") in the advanced RC - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33371  +comment (10Michael M.)
[11:49:57] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) change grayed-out "Save page" button to say "Saved page", or "Update saved page" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33807  +comment (10Yuvi Panda)
[11:51:16] <JeroenDeDauw>	 $yuvipanda.closest( 'wall' );
[11:52:13] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) "Save page" enable/disable state doesn't update when navigating to another page via search - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33694  +comment (10Yuvi Panda)
[11:52:18] <yuvipanda>	 JeroenDeDauw: thanks!
[11:52:42] <codurr>	 03oren * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110653> 10/trunk/lucene-search-3/src/site/apt/ (configure.apt development.apt index.apt index.apt): Documentation preperation
[11:57:00] <codurr>	 03oren * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110654> 10/trunk/lucene-search-3/src/site/site.xml: Documentation preparation - index update
[11:58:14] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) Special characters not supported in search - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33955  +comment (10Yuvi Panda)
[12:00:23] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) Wikipedia Android app can't search when in WIFI only mode - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33844  +comment (10Yuvi Panda)
[12:01:54] <Alessandro_>	 hey ppl, has anyone experience with templates? i need some help with a template, that can fill an empty article with stuff from an existing template, by clicking on a link, that's defined in the MediaWiki:Newarticletext
[12:02:17] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Android 2.x search box adds an autocomplete box which overlaps with the main text box - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31522  +comment (10yuvipanda)
[12:02:49] <tale>	 Alessandro_: That is explained in the manual.
[12:03:09] <codurr>	 03oren * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110655> 10/trunk/lucene-search-3/src/site/apt/configure.apt: More documentation preparation
[12:03:27] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) Android app doesn't always show all search results - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31890  +comment (10Yuvi Panda)
[12:03:36] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) English numbers in Assamese Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34174  (10wikichaipau)
[12:03:41] <tale>	 Alessandro_: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Templates {{subst:Name}} 
[12:05:08] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) "Save page" should be re-enabled after the page is deleted from saved pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33621  +comment (10Yuvi Panda)
[12:05:30] <Alessandro_>	 Thanks for the link tale, the template is originally from the English. fallout wiki "the vault", named "Create article link". I have introduced in the German falloutwiki, but it does not work the way I imagine it.
[12:06:35] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) WIkipedia Android app forward button at times does nothing - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33280  +comment (10yuvipanda)
[12:09:29] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) Wikipedia Android app needs to set explicit user agent for tracking - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33998  +comment (10Yuvi Panda)
[12:31:51] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Page translation with external link needing CAPTCHA - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34182  +comment (10aokomoriuta)
[12:32:41] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) add alias redirection in ml wikisource - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34183  +comment (10sunil)
[12:34:26] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) add alias redirection in ml wikisource - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34183  +comment (10manojkmohanme03107)
[12:35:10] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) QuickSearch in Android should support Multiple Languages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34186 normal; Wikimedia Mobile: android; (yuvipanda)
[12:35:24] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) QuickSearch in Android should support Multiple Languages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34186  (10Yuvi Panda)
[12:35:26] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Wikipedia Android App 1.1 tracking - current bugs - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31805  (10Yuvi Panda)
[13:09:05] <codurr>	 03gwicke * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110656> 10/trunk/extensions/VisualEditor/modules/parser/mediawiki.parser.defines.js: Add custom JSON serializers for tokens that include a type attribute
[13:10:07] <codurr>	 03gwicke * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110657> 10/trunk/extensions/VisualEditor/modules/parser/pegTokenizer.pegjs.txt: Fix nowiki tokenization regression introduced r110495
[13:13:36] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Missing data of protected pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34187 normal; MediaWiki: API; (wikiposta)
[13:27:17] <codurr>	 New code comment: SPQRobin; The original code is designed for LTR and doesn't take into account that it can be flipped, so @nofl; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110640#c30449>
[13:28:49] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) update statistic/count tables on vepwiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34184  +comment (10Robin Pepermans (SPQRobin))
[13:35:55] <wikibugs>	 14(WFM) Enable gadgets at ml.wiktionary - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34177  +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[13:37:42] <wikibugs>	 14(INVALID) Update sidebar - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34181  +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[13:41:15] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Android 2.x search box adds an autocomplete box which overlaps with the main text box - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31522  +comment (10sam)
[13:43:15] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) add alias redirection in ml wikisource - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34183  major->15enhancement (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[13:43:53] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) New test tool: examine a syntax against the past hits of a filter - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34180  summary (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[13:44:06] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) New test tool: examine syntax against the past hits of a filter - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34180  summary (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[13:45:41] <taurus>	 gud evening to all
[13:52:29] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) update statistic/count tables on vepwiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34184  +comment (10Daniel Zahn)
[13:54:42] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) update statistic/count tables on vepwiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34184  +comment (10Daniel Zahn)
[14:01:08] <wikibugs>	 04(REOPENED) update statistic/count tables on vepwiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34184  +comment (10Robin Pepermans (SPQRobin))
[14:02:47] <codurr>	 New code comment: Reedy; Marking ok as this is just a svn copy into the extension \ Tipsy is in core, but would require some a; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/102159#c30450>
[14:02:47] <codurr>	 New code comment: Reedy; Marking ok as this is just a svn copy into the extension \ Tipsy is in core, but would require some a; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/102159#c30451>
[14:15:38] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) update statistic/count tables on vepwiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34184  +comment (10dzahn)
[14:22:19] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Stewards cannot unlock themselves - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34188 normal; MediaWiki extensions: CentralAuth; (vituzzu.wiki)
[14:28:08] <OuKB>	 I need to create a new function to supersede Page::doDelete(). cast your votes: doDelete2() vs. doDeleteNew() vs. doDeleteReal() vs. whatever
[14:30:08] <Reedy>	 actuallyBloodyDoTheDelete()
[14:31:07] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) table of content is broken on certain names, all versions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34189 normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (benapetr)
[14:32:06] <MaxSem>	 what? this name is too British!
[14:33:01] <wikibugs>	 14(INVALID) table of content is broken on certain names, all versions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34189  +comment (10Peter Bena)
[14:33:08] <Reedy>	 In Soviet Russia article delete YOU!
[14:34:06] <Amgine>	 dueDelete
[14:34:13] <Reedy>	 Can I just mark the rest of the new revisions ok/resolved?
[14:34:16] <Reedy>	 it'd be a lot easier
[14:46:15] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Use protocol-relative URLs for CC and Bugzilla - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34190 enhancement; MediaWiki extensions: UploadWizard; (OsamaK.WFM)
[14:47:05] <apergos>	 doDeleteReal() I guess, as the lesser of the various evils
[14:47:07] <apergos>	 meh
[14:51:59] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) Use protocol-relative URLs for CC and Bugzilla - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34190  +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[14:52:07] <codurr>	 03reedy * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110658> 10/trunk/extensions/UploadWizard/ (3 files in 2 dirs):
[14:52:07] <codurr>	 bugzilla.wm.o is https only, so point all links at https
[14:52:07] <codurr>	 translatewiki changed to protocol relative
[14:52:07] <codurr>	 Made CC links prot rel too
[14:52:07] <codurr>	 Bug 34190 - Use protocol-relative URLs for CC and Bugzilla
[14:55:08] <codurr>	 03maxsem * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110659> 10/trunk/extensions/GeoData/ (GeoData.sql GeoDataHooks.php): Follow-up r110649: fix SQL file, SQLite support (tested, but not extensively)
[14:55:45] <codurr>	 03reedy * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110660> 10/trunk/extensions/UploadWizard/UploadWizard.i18n.php:
[14:55:45] <codurr>	 Make some more wmf related links prot rel
[14:55:45] <codurr>	 Ping r110658
[14:55:55] <_FRiZzO>	 Gmornin' folks.
[14:58:25] <_FRiZzO>	 I just did a fresh install of mediawiki, ubuntu 10.04lts apache2,apc , and if it's left untouched for a while, the page takes like 10seconds to come up, then its fine.  What could be causing this delay?
[14:58:40] <_FRiZzO>	 I have like 2 pages up.
[14:59:20] <Reedy>	 that's some cache issue
[14:59:33] <_FRiZzO>	 after I've loaded the pages, they load quickly
[14:59:40] <Reedy>	 yeah
[15:00:00] <_FRiZzO>	 but if I leave it for say 30mins,  it delays
[15:00:36] <Reedy>	 don't know how long apc actually caches stuff for
[15:00:54] <_FRiZzO>	 actually looking now, ttl 3600
[15:02:33] <Reedy>	 setting up memcached too should help
[15:02:36] <Reedy>	 can cache objects
[15:02:41] <Reedy>	 and push sessions into memcached too
[15:03:14] <_FRiZzO>	 ok im new to this, so I can have both?
[15:04:13] <Dantman>	 You don't need memcached if you only have one server
[15:04:15] <_FRiZzO>	 $wgMainCacheType    = CACHE_ACCEL;
[15:04:15] <_FRiZzO>	 $wgMemCachedServers = array();
[15:04:17] <Reedy>	 they do different things
[15:04:37] <Reedy>	 !cache
[15:04:37] <mw-bot>	 General information about caches can be seen at <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Cache>, for configuration settings see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Configuration_settings#Cache>
[15:04:45] <MaxSem>	 Reedy, since when memc is recommended for a single server?
[15:04:55] <Reedy>	 Works nicely for my dev setup
[15:05:07] <MaxSem>	 I don't doubt this
[15:05:31] <Dantman>	 Reedy: ;) Then you've never had the memcached daemon offline while your wiki was running
[15:05:42] <MaxSem>	 I said *recommended*
[15:06:12] <_FRiZzO>	 Is apc the recommended cache?
[15:06:23] <MaxSem>	 yes, WMF uses it
[15:06:36] <Dantman>	 Eh?
[15:06:46] <Reedy>	 recomended PHP cache
[15:07:05] <Reedy>	 though, you've little choice
[15:07:12] <Dantman>	 Any accelerator cache will do..... besides eAccelerator
[15:07:24] <Reedy>	 :D
[15:07:25] <MaxSem>	 if I remeber it right, 1.18wmf1 even had a local hack with apc_get()
[15:07:36] <Reedy>	 there's a couple
[15:07:40] <Reedy>	 changing cache type
[15:07:51] <_FRiZzO>	 oh yes forgot to mention im using 1.8.1
[15:07:52] <MaxSem>	 cause memc is slow and pointless
[15:07:53] <Reedy>	 I think I wrote that one :p
[15:07:54] <Dantman>	 apc, xcache, whatever... whatever you're running use that
[15:08:11] <MaxSem>	 1.8.1 or 1.18.1?
[15:09:47] <_FRiZzO>	 sorry 1.18.1
[15:10:25] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Cannot cancel a file when multiple files selected - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34191 normal; MediaWiki extensions: UploadWizard; (OsamaK.WFM)
[15:10:38] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Cannot cancel a file when multiple files are selected - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34191  summary (10Osama)
[15:15:53] <_FRiZzO>	 I think I'll reinstall.  Which OS would you recommend for best results?
[15:16:17] <MaxSem>	 o_0
[15:16:23] <_FRiZzO>	 right now im just testing , and gave it 2gig ram with 2 cpu, and it was doggin
[15:16:33] <MaxSem>	 oh, VM
[15:16:56] <johnduhart>	 _FRiZzO: I doubt you need to reinstall.
[15:17:00] <_FRiZzO>	 yeah this box has 96gig ram
[15:17:47] <johnduhart>	 2gig is more than enough unless you're looking at a good amount of traffic.
[15:17:48] <_FRiZzO>	 I pulled up the special page, and I saw 65% usage
[15:18:06] <johnduhart>	 _FRiZzO: 65% usage of what?
[15:18:07] <_FRiZzO>	 still took about 10 seconds to come up
[15:18:15] <_FRiZzO>	 cpu,
[15:20:59] <johnduhart>	 _FRiZzO: And you're sure APC is configured correctly
[15:21:36] <_FRiZzO>	 i've looked at it several times.
[15:25:53] <Dantman>	 Start profiling
[15:26:36] <Dantman>	 Could be cpu while parsing, could be database lag, etc...
[15:27:24] <Dantman>	 And for a single request # of cpus doesn't matter, but how fast they can process what you need them to does
[15:27:32] <Dantman>	 Disk io too perhaps
[15:28:24] <Reedy>	 if it's on a virtualised box, io can really suck
[15:28:51] * hexmode  is back

[15:29:02] <Dantman>	 Oh rigt virtual
[15:29:18] <Dantman>	 Reedy: Sure... but not as bad as it can get
[15:30:41] <Dantman>	 Reedy: In fact now that I remember it's virtualized I don't think that's the problem... unless it's virtualized on his own dedicated server. Theoretically virtualized hosts should keep their disks in better condition... Disk IO would be a real issue on a dedicated server with a really old faulty disk inside.
[15:32:11] <Reedy>	 mysql on virtualised stuff apparently can be really sucky too
[15:32:56] <_FRiZzO>	 I have no issues with disk io, just seems this machine.
[15:33:31] <Dantman>	 Still, back to profiling
[15:33:54] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Please create a Marathi Wikisource - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33907  +comment (10mahitgar)
[15:35:01] <_FRiZzO>	 tis strange, I have other machines on the same host, ie osticket, it smokes uses next to nothing.
[15:35:31] <_FRiZzO>	 even have exchange 2010 on it lol
[15:37:06] <_FRiZzO>	 I won't give up, I'll keep pluging away.
[15:37:17] <Reedy>	 !fast
[15:37:17] <mw-bot>	 <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Aaron_Schulz/How_to_make_MediaWiki_fast> <http://mituzas.lt/2007/01/26/mediawiki-performance-tuning/>
[15:37:43] <_FRiZzO>	 what if I just increased the TTL on apc ?
[15:38:05] <MaxSem>	 won't hurt
[15:38:07] <Reedy>	 60*60 is an hour?
[15:38:11] <MaxSem>	 yes
[15:38:12] <Reedy>	 but you're seeing issues at half that
[15:38:31] <_FRiZzO>	 its at 3600
[15:38:43] <Reedy>	 60*60=3600
[15:39:36] <_FRiZzO>	 true, I think the issues occurs around the 10 minute mark
[15:40:34] <zorx>	 Hello. In which MySQL table do I find the current versions of a page?
[15:41:36] <Reedy>	 page.page_latest
[15:42:07] <Reedy>	 which points to revision.rev_id
[15:42:39] <MaxSem>	 ...if you don't use external storage or something
[15:44:06] <zorx>	 and that points to wiki_text.old_id?
[15:44:32] <zorx>	 wiki_revision.rev_text_id
[15:54:42] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Please create a Marathi Wikisource - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33907  +comment (10santhosh.thottingal)
[15:57:01] <Reedy>	 42/23
[15:59:19] <xixor>	 yo.  Just wondering if there are any other steps I should do to go about "securing" a private mediawiki installation?   I have createaccount, edige, read = false for '*'.  Logins are required, there is only a singe user.   The wiki only runs over https.  Is there anything else that should be done?  I know that mediawiki wasn't designed with security in mind, but rather an open and collaborative platform, but I am trying it out for th
[15:59:19] <xixor>	 is purpose.  cheers
[16:05:08] <wikibugs>	 04(REOPENED) Please create a Marathi Wikisource - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33907  +comment (10Robin Pepermans (SPQRobin))
[16:07:47] <MaxSem>	 xixor, looks good. we at WMF use private MediaWiki wikis
[16:07:58] <MaxSem>	 ourselves
[16:08:12] <xixor>	 MaxSem: oh yeah?  For collaboration between devs?  or internal info?
[16:08:29] <MaxSem>	 internal stuff
[16:08:46] <MaxSem>	 all collaboration is public, of course:)
[16:08:47] <xixor>	 Does the mw-config directory need to be moved/deleted from the installation directory?
[16:09:31] <MaxSem>	 feel free to delete it just in case, but it shouldn't do anything if there's LocalSettings.php in place
[16:09:42] <Reedy>	 It'll let you run "upgrades"...
[16:10:02] <MaxSem>	 since upgrades involve uploading ned sources...
[16:10:04] <Dantman>	 And it's not even as hazardous as our old installer
[16:10:04] <xixor>	 ah, ok
[16:10:22] <Dantman>	 The new installer doesn't even write anything to the filesystem
[16:10:33] <Reedy>	 .htaccess deny from all wouldn't hurt
[16:10:35] <Dantman>	 So you don't even have to worry about that kind of hole
[16:10:40] <MaxSem>	 Dantman, naive boy :P
[16:11:13] <xixor>	 Reedy: what does that do?
[16:11:31] <MaxSem>	 denies access to it from web
[16:11:49] <MaxSem>	 (of course if you have .htaccess enabled)
[16:12:00] <xixor>	 I believe I do, but wouldn't that stop me from viewing the wiki myself?
[16:12:49] <Reedy>	 nopw
[16:14:17] <Dantman>	 ;) Well, as long as you put the .htaccess in the mw-config folder instead of the site root
[16:14:42] <xixor>	 ahh, I gotcha
[16:14:45] <Reedy>	 xD
[16:14:52] <Reedy>	 VERY true
[16:15:18] <xixor>	 very cool idea, thanks
[16:15:41] <Dantman>	 I just do directory denies in my apache config
[16:22:18] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Upgrade Wikimedia OTRS installation to the latest version - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/22622  +comment (10mah)
[16:27:14] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Assamese Vs Latin numerals in templates using parser functions, Set "$wgTranslateNumerals = false;" for aswiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31371  +comment (10Jayanta Nath)
[16:27:47] <codurr>	 New code comment: Reedy; I'm thinking that this seems the easiest way forward, for now/1.19 at least; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/106025#c30452>
[16:28:26] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Assamese Vs Latin numerals in templates using parser functions, Set "$wgTranslateNumerals = false;" for aswiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31371  +comment (10jayantanth)
[16:28:37] <codurr>	 03jeroendedauw * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110661> 10/trunk/extensions/EducationProgram/ (14 files in 4 dirs): work on special:mycourses
[16:28:46] <ericP>	 how does one inject a <class type="text/css">...</class> element into a mw page?
[16:29:16] <tale>	 ericP: You mean some other way than writing that to the page?
[16:29:55] <Lyrithya>	 Guys, when undeleting a page and then deleting it again, both events should still show up in the log and on recentchanges, right?
[16:29:57] <ericP>	 tale, i believe it's only valid in the <head/> , and i don't think users get to write into that
[16:30:42] <ericP>	 i know in html5, it can go anywhere (and it will even be scoped)
[16:30:59] <tale>	 ericP: If that is the case, perhaps modify the skin to include that.
[16:33:00] <ericP>	 tale, ok. not exactly what i'd hoped the answer would be, but i can ensure that the skin's style element contains the union of all of the required class definitions
[16:33:45] <ericP>	 (sorry for the slow turn-around, despite being in a brand new building at MIT, my bandwidth is equivalent to that over a 1200 baud modem)
[16:34:21] <tale>	 ericP: That is often the case in developing countries not yet in the Internet age.
[16:35:00] <Dantman>	 <style> not <class>. Browsers have always supported <style> in the body even though html4 didn't technically allow it. XHTML was the one case browsers would be strict about it. The scoped feature is new in html5 and I don't believe any browsers implement it. And page content is WikiText NOT HTML, we only include a subset of html that we want inside WikiText. Naturally <style> is not permitted because it would be a security hole.
[16:35:15] * ericP  applies for a world-bank loan to get a cable modem in his office

[16:36:58] <ericP>	 Dantman, so that reinforces tale's assertion that i should put all classes for the site into the skin?
[16:37:24] <Dantman>	 Depends.
[16:37:33] <ericP>	 would semantic media wiki help here? (i can imagine it might provide mechanisms to create new classes, though i have no idea if they'd have and style associated with them)
[16:37:34] <Dantman>	 If it's styles specific to the skin, yes.
[16:38:10] <Dantman>	 If it's styles for the content, they should be general. Either inside MediaWiki:Common.css or a custom extension
[16:38:12] <ericP>	 Dantman, is just some page i created which has a ton of style attributes on <div>s (like 50% of the markup)
[16:38:42] * ericP  /locate's MediaWiki:Common.css

[16:38:51] <Dantman>	 SMW has nothing to do with creating css classes
[16:39:18] <ericP>	 yeah, it seemed like a long shot
[16:40:12] <ericP>	 got a pointer to the docs about custome extensions? (this page has atypical style requirements)
[16:43:09] <codurr>	 03reedy * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110662> 10/trunk/extensions/FeaturedFeeds/FeaturedFeeds.body.php:
[16:43:09] <codurr>	 Remove unused $parser = new Parser();
[16:43:09] <codurr>	 Couple of bits of code documentation
[16:45:47] <codurr>	 New code comment: Reedy; Looks sane based upon the isDisabled code \ <pre> \ /** \ * Check whether a message does not exist, is; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110579#c30453>
[16:47:24] <codurr>	 03oren * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110663> 10/trunk/lucene-search-3/src/site/apt/ (6 files): Project documentation stubs
[16:48:32] <johnduhart>	 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Ale_jrb/Scripts/iglooInit.js
[16:48:51] <johnduhart>	 Obfuscated userscripts, how nice.
[16:49:10] <Reedy>	 it's only minified :p
[16:49:28] <johnduhart>	 oh
[16:49:43] <johnduhart>	 I...I knew that!
[16:51:27] <Dantman>	 Minified... really?
[16:51:41] <Dantman>	 Looks like one of those shitty packer setups... perhaps actually including obfuscation
[16:52:05] <Reedy>	 well, that's the extreme minification
[16:54:03] <Reedy>	 Whitespace is srsbizness
[16:58:36] <codurr>	 03jeroendedauw * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110664> 10/trunk/extensions/EducationProgram/ (3 files in 2 dirs): work on special:mycourses
[17:03:33] <Dantman>	 I have on final thing to say... if browsers are going to implement something next... I want to see the new css3-box spec or css3-flexbox rather than scoped styles
[17:06:06] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Missing argument warnings - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34164  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[17:06:19] <codurr>	 03oren * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110665> 10/trunk/lucene-search-3/pom.xml: pmd config update
[17:06:37] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) tracking bug for RTL bugs in the Wikimedia Mobile Android app - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34166  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[17:07:02] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) About screen in the Android app is not properly oriented in right-to-left languages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34167  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[17:07:11] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Menus in the Android app are not correctly oriented in right-to-left locales - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34168  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[17:07:20] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Text selection in the Wikimedia Mobile Android app works in reverse for right-to-left languages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34169  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[17:07:41] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) The About screen cuts short - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34170  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[17:11:25] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) English numbers in Assamese Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34174  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[17:15:52] <codurr>	 03oren * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110666> 10/trunk/lucene-search-3/pom.xml: pmd config update
[17:16:19] <Reedy>	 MaxSem, review r110662
[17:16:48] <Reedy>	 :p
[17:18:00] <Reedy>	 110658 and 110660 are 2 other easy revisions if someone wants to bite
[17:18:24] <MaxSem>	 !r 110662
[17:18:24] <mw-bot>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110662
[17:18:33] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Update sidebar - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34181  +comment (10arjunaraoc)
[17:20:17] <codurr>	 New code comment: RobLa-WMF; There's at least one case of ".mediawiki.org/wiki/UploadWizard" instead of "//mediawiki.org/wiki/Upl; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110660#c30454>
[17:23:54] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) TeluguTransliteration not functional on Te Wiktionary - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33467  +comment (10arjunaraoc)
[17:24:26] <codurr>	 03oren * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110667> 10/trunk/lucene-search-3/src/site/apt/development.apt: Documentation apt error
[17:28:23] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Define P�rdoruesja: as an alias for User: on fr.wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34192 normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (olsi_hys)
[17:30:59] <codurr>	 03aaron * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110668> 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesEn.php: Cleaned up a few file backend related messages
[17:31:46] <codurr>	 03reedy * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110669> 10/trunk/extensions/UploadWizard/UploadWizard.i18n.php:
[17:31:46] <codurr>	 Ping r110660
[17:31:46] <codurr>	 Messages used in qqq, just set to https:// unconditionally
[17:31:46] <codurr>	 Fix dropped www.
[17:32:54] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Define P�rdoruesja: as an alias for User: on sq.wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34192  summary (10Olsi Hysa)
[17:33:02] <codurr>	 New code comment: Umherirrender; {{Messagedocumentation}} ;-) \ I have done that on translatewiki.; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110606#c30455>
[17:34:52] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) RSS feed of te.wikipedia.org does not provide customized feed of my watch list, as per preferences - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/23804  +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[17:35:02] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) RSS feed of te.wikipedia.org does not provide customized feed of my watch list, as per preferences - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/23804  major->normal (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[17:35:43] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Watchlist RSS/atom feeds do not provide customized feed as per user preferences - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/23804  summary (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[17:39:49] <codurr>	 03reedy * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110670> 10/trunk/extensions/UploadWizard/UploadWizard.i18n.php:
[17:39:49] <codurr>	 Make greek cc related licenses more like those of other languages, removing hard coded url
[17:39:49] <codurr>	 ping r110658
[17:55:42] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Add support for non-Arabic number systems - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34193 enhancement; MediaWiki extensions: ParserFunctions; (mah)
[17:57:27] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) English numbers in Assamese Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34174  +comment (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[17:57:32] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Add support for non-Arabic number systems - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34193  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[18:05:40] <codurr>	 03aaron * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110671> 10/trunk/phase3/includes/filerepo/backend/ (FileBackend.php FileBackendMultiWrite.php): Per r108369 CR comment, use StringUtils::escapeRegexReplacement() since backend name can have $1 or such. Also added comments to discourage such characters in backend names.
[18:09:23] <codurr>	 03oren * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110672> 10/trunk/lucene-search-3/pom.xml: updating pom for maven3 reporting
[18:11:36] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Setting protocol relative wikilinks (urls) circumvents blacklist - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33985  +comment (10mah)
[18:11:54] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Unexpectedly blocks all protocols, not just http/https - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34179  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[18:12:39] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Page translation with external link needing CAPTCHA - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34182  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[18:14:23] <hexmode>	 AaronSchulz: fwiw, Reedy thought you were a better choice to fix this than Nikerabbit: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33167
[18:15:23] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) update statistic/count tables on vepwiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34184  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[18:17:05] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) login-progress message should be in past tense, not present - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34185  minor->15enhancement; +comment (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[18:17:19] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) QuickSearch in Android should support Multiple Languages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34186  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[18:21:21] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Missing data of protected pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34187  normal->15enhancement (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[18:22:36] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Stewards cannot unlock themselves - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34188  normal->15enhancement (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[18:23:07] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Cannot cancel a file when multiple files are selected - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34191  normal->15enhancement (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[18:23:19] <AaronSchulz>	 Nikerabbit: did you see r96546 comments?
[18:23:50] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Define P�rdoruesja: as an alias for User: on sq.wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34192   +shell (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[18:24:46] <arseny92>	 Which right is needed to be set to access Special:LockDB ? Or its obsolete and $wgReadOnly is used more commonly?
[18:25:27] <Lcawte>	 Am I mad, or has nothing been sent to Wikitech-l all day?
[18:26:12] <hexmode>	 Lcawte: missing noise?
[18:26:25] <Lcawte>	 hexmode: huh? ^.^
[18:26:43] <hexmode>	 Lcawte: from wikitech-l ;)
[18:27:21] <Lcawte>	 No, I'm just waiting for an annoucement of Berlin Hackathon and thought my email was broken since theres nothing new at all there
[18:27:36] <hexmode>	 ah
[18:27:45] <hexmode>	 http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.science.linguistics.wikipedia.technical -- nothing here
[18:28:16] <hexmode>	 http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2012-February/date.html -- nothing here
[18:28:24] <Lcawte>	 kl
[18:28:46] <hexmode>	 but that is good news!
[18:29:01] <Reedy>	 We really do have a lot of crud in the extensions folder
[18:29:11] <hexmode>	 I will now ask everyone to please, please fix 1.19 blocker bugs
[18:29:27] <dtcrshr>	 is there any wiki + irc module or something to gather they together?
[18:29:36] <Reedy>	 in what sense?
[18:29:47] <Lcawte>	 I have no bugs assigned to me for that, and I doubt theres any near my skill level, so I'm not touching 1.19 ^.^
[18:30:01] <Reedy>	 hexmode, 36 new, 23 fixmes
[18:30:33] <codurr>	 03oren * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110673> 10/trunk/lucene-search-3/pom.xml: corrections to the SCM section
[18:36:45] <codurr>	 03oren * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110674> 10/trunk/lucene-search-3/pom.xml: more corrections to the SCM section
[18:36:50] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) meta=siteinfo expose aliases of non-existing special pages/magicwords and parser functions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/30836  summary; +comment (10Umherirrender)
[18:36:55] * Lcawte  is watching Roan's talk from San Francisco ^.^

[18:40:23] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) English numbers in Assamese Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34174  +comment (10psneog)
[18:41:00] <wikibugs>	 06(LATER) English numbers in Assamese Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34174  (10Prabhakar Sarma Neog)
[18:41:02] <hexmode>	 Reedy: 26 new, 14 fixme
[18:45:05] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Assamese Vs Latin numerals in templates using parser functions, Set "$wgTranslateNumerals = false;" for aswiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31371  +comment (10Prabhakar Sarma Neog)
[18:45:08] <wikibugs>	 14(DUP) Add support for non-Arabic number systems - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34193  +comment (10Prabhakar Sarma Neog)
[18:48:35] <Lcawte>	 Ok, some I'm 12 minutes into Roan's API talk, and I think I now understand basic query stuff :D
[18:49:16] * AaronSchulz  wonders where Nikerabbit went

[18:49:31] <Reedy>	 AaronSchulz, I heard there's this thing called "real life"
[18:49:33] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Add support for non-Arabic number systems - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34193  +comment (10psneog)
[18:49:47] <AaronSchulz>	 Reedy: he isn't marked as "away" :)
[18:50:08] <Sid-G>	 Hey, I need to change Mediawiki:Titleblacklist but I don't know php regex. Could someone help me out?
[18:50:59] <Reedy>	 AaronSchulz, he's marked as going ot fosdem, so might be in transit
[18:51:06] <hexmode>	 AaronSchulz: comment from last night was that he was boarding a plane in an hour...
[18:51:12] <Lcawte>	 oohh, ApiSandbox is a cool tool... and YAML is a fairly nice looking output
[18:52:15] <codurr>	 03ashley * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110675> 10/trunk/extensions/ProtectSite/ProtectSite.php: ProtectSite: follow-up to r87418
[18:52:32] <Sid-G>	 ?
[18:53:42] <hexmode>	 Sid-G: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34193
[18:54:02] <hexmode>	 looking at the Language files, it looks like it would be relatively easy to fix
[18:54:09] <Sid-G>	 hexmode: what about it?
[18:54:27] * Sid-G  is going to look at the bug now

[18:55:06] <Sid-G>	 hexmode: Its part of the problem, not the entire problem
[18:55:23] <Sid-G>	 hexmode: can one wiki support two number systems at once?
[18:55:30] <hexmode>	 Sid-G: agreed it isn't all of it, but it is a big deal
[18:55:40] <Sid-G>	 yes
[18:55:54] <Sid-G>	 but #time is a bigger one I think
[18:55:54] <codurr>	 03oren * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110676> 10/trunk/lucene-search-3/src/main/java/org/wikimedia/lsearch/analyzers/ExtToken.java: change to a comment
[18:57:52] <wikibugs>	 04(REOPENED) Add support for non-Arabic number systems - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34193  +comment (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[18:58:54] <codurr>	 03oren * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110677> 10/trunk/lucene-search-3/src/main/java/org/wikimedia/lsearch/analyzers/WikiQueryParser.java: corrected bug in unused private code ;-(
[18:59:19] <hexmode>	 Sid-G: I think it could be fixed at the same time.  Could you update that bug for what you think needs to be done for #time ?
[18:59:42] <hexmode>	 Sid-G: unless you're talking about different calendar systems?
[18:59:42] <Sid-G>	 sure, i'll add a link to the other bug
[18:59:50] <Sid-G>	 although hexmode, i should warn you
[18:59:59] <Sid-G>	 it *is* a big one for #time
[19:00:05] <hexmode>	 heh
[19:00:06] <Sid-G>	 hexmode: no
[19:00:15] <hexmode>	 k
[19:00:34] <Sid-G>	 hexmode: hold on a few minutes while i find the other one
[19:00:38] <Sid-G>	 and update the bug
[19:02:15] <Sid-G>	 hexmode: yeah, that was calender (month) names
[19:02:21] <Sid-G>	 19412
[19:02:47] <codurr>	 New code comment: Aaron Schulz; Maybe the easiest fix is to have LogPage::addEntry() wrap ManualLogEntry and its insert() function.; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/96546#c30456>
[19:05:31] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Define P�rdoruesja: as an alias for User: on sq.wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34192  normal->15enhancement (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[19:07:19] <hexmode>	 Sid-G: yeah, that is a similar issue
[19:07:48] <Reedy>	 hexmode, I've got a plan to finish the rest of the cr
[19:07:54] <Reedy>	 if they've got no followups or comments, mark ok
[19:08:05] <Reedy>	 if got followups, or comments about bad things, mark resolved
[19:08:10] <Reedy>	 and mark the rest ok also
[19:08:14] <Reedy>	 done :D
[19:08:32] <hexmode>	 heh... ok, now we've got ~10 bugs...
[19:08:38] <Sid-G>	 hexmode: I was wondering if it isn't possible to create a wrapper for #time (within mediawiki) that uses string function thingies to convert month names per the localizations?
[19:08:52] <Sid-G>	 Reedy: What'll you do with #1 ? :P
[19:09:09] <Reedy>	 I'm not talking about bugs :p
[19:09:31] * Sid-G  shouldn't mess with devs

[19:10:37] <hexmode>	 Sid-G: put your idea on the bug and make sure they're linked somehow
[19:10:38] <Sid-G>	 OK, now I've really got a tough question (for me); and this time there's nothing I can do to solve this unless someone here answers me
[19:10:46] <Sid-G>	 hexmode: ok
[19:11:03] <Sid-G>	 i have a line in titleblacklist  .*[^\p{L}\d ]{5}.* # Disallows five consecutive characters that are not letters (in any script), numbers, or spaces
[19:11:17] <Sid-G>	 now, on hi-wp, this is causing problems
[19:11:26] <Lcawte>	 Oh, wow, API is useful, what have I been missing out on?
[19:11:37] <Reedy>	 Lcawte, welcome to 5 years ago ;)
[19:11:41] <hexmode>	 Lcawte: a lot!
[19:12:05] <Sid-G>	 it wont let creation of pages with the format ( or / followed by four devanagari numerals (which are not the default on hi-wp)
[19:12:06] <Lcawte>	 Reedy: Sorry, but 5 years ago, I hadn't learnt HTML yet, and I was only starting to make really basic edits on MediaWiki sites...
[19:12:24] <Reedy>	 hmm, 5? might be 6 or 7 now..
[19:12:54] <Reedy>	 Sid-G, .*[^\p{L}\d 1234567890]{5}.*
[19:13:02] <Reedy>	 Swap 1-0 with the devangari numbers
[19:13:11] <Lcawte>	 6 years ago, I was only starting to explore the internet, I had just started playing RuneScape... 7 was CD games and a bit of MS Word
[19:13:12] <Reedy>	 chances are \d only does latin numbers
[19:13:18] <Sid-G>	 Reedy: I need to allow both types of numerals
[19:13:22] <Reedy>	 yeah
[19:13:27] <Reedy>	 as i said, swap 1-0
[19:13:28] <Sid-G>	 ah, i get it
[19:13:30] <Reedy>	 \d will still work
[19:13:30] <Sid-G>	 sorry
[19:13:35] <Sid-G>	 and thanks :)
[19:13:47] <Sid-G>	 so just add the deva numerals to it?
[19:13:50] <Reedy>	 yup
[19:14:04] <Sid-G>	 no spaces between the numerals themselves?
[19:14:13] <Reedy>	 exactly
[19:14:32] <codurr>	 New code comment: Umherirrender; See bug 33374, maybe truncate it right now inside the setter or later in the insert method, but than; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/96441#c30457>
[19:14:38] <Sid-G>	 but one space between /d and the first numeral (just being sure)
[19:14:51] <Sid-G>	 * \d
[19:14:54] <Reedy>	 yeah, that'll allow it carry on having spaces
[19:15:01] <Reedy>	 Lcawte, I've had broadband since July 2005... and we were relatively late in the process to get broadband...
[19:15:16] <Sid-G>	 Reedy: Thanks
[19:15:18] <Sid-G>	 :)
[19:15:19] <hexmode>	 Lcawte: where are you?
[19:15:30] <Lcawte>	 hexmode: UK?
[19:15:35] <hexmode>	 ah
[19:15:37] <hexmode>	 k
[19:16:11] <hexmode>	 Lcawte: just sent an email to wikitech-l :)
[19:17:08] <Lcawte>	 Ooh, my email does work...
[19:17:12] <Lcawte>	 Reedy: whats your point?
[19:17:33] <Reedy>	 I've had dialup access for at least 16 years :p
[19:18:06] <Lcawte>	 Again, whats your point? :P
[19:18:48] <MaxSem>	 does everything has to have a point?
[19:18:49] <Reedy>	 You're young!
[19:18:51] <Reedy>	 and behind!
[19:19:14] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) English numbers in Assamese Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34174  +comment (10Prabhakar Sarma Neog)
[19:19:16] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Assamese Vs Latin numerals in templates using parser functions, Set "$wgTranslateNumerals = false;" for aswiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31371  +comment (10psneog)
[19:19:16] <hexmode>	 I had dialup access to FidoNet in 1987 :P
[19:19:22] <Reedy>	 heh
[19:19:46] <hexmode>	 my first modem was 1200 baud
[19:19:54] <hexmode>	 my bones ache
[19:20:02] <hexmode>	 and you are on my lawn
[19:20:10] * hexmode  goes full crank

[19:20:12] <Lcawte>	 Reedy: So?? I was 8 or 9? in 2005, how many 8/9 year olds know what MediaWiki is? :P
[19:20:17] <MaxSem>	 ...and I've got a shotgun?
[19:20:27] <Reedy>	 Lcawte, ask how many know what Wikipedia is
[19:20:32] <GroggyPanda>	 Lcawte: I was writing C when I was 9 :P
[19:20:37] <Reedy>	 Without knowing it, htey will know what it was
[19:21:02] <Reedy>	 GroggyPanda, <insert somewhat racist stereotype>
[19:21:04] * Sid-G  steps on Hexmode's lawn's grass, ruining it by stomping on it

[19:21:05] <Lcawte>	 They know its the thing they use to do their homework, but not what the logo says :P
[19:21:18] <Sid-G>	 There hexmode, now we're equals :P
[19:21:25] <hexmode>	 MaxSem: I would have to borrow a shotgun from my neighbor
[19:21:37] <GroggyPanda>	 Reedy: i'm confused, I guess this is the 'asian' stereotype, which has never been applied before
[19:21:57] <GroggyPanda>	 but, yay anyway :D
[19:22:01] <Reedy>	 ;)
[19:22:06] <wikibugs>	 14(DUP) Add support for non-Arabic number systems - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34193  +comment (10Prabhakar Sarma Neog)
[19:22:08] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Assamese Vs Latin numerals in templates using parser functions, Set "$wgTranslateNumerals = false;" for aswiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31371  +comment (10psneog)
[19:22:24] <hexmode>	 GroggyPanda: I was writing Basic when I was 11... but it was the 80s so I forgive me
[19:22:43] <GroggyPanda>	 hexmode: I was writing GWBASIC when I was 9 too
[19:23:01] <hexmode>	 GroggyPanda: always have to one-up me, don't you?
[19:23:10] <GroggyPanda>	 hexmode: yes :D
[19:23:21] <Lcawte>	 Yeah well, ok, I think at my schol they are teaching Year 7's html now, but we have no programming in our curriculmn yet, and anyone that knows any form of code is bullied ^.^
[19:23:29] <hexmode>	 I think I bought a C compiler for my TRS-80 in 88 or so
[19:23:38] <GroggyPanda>	 hexmode: go to SF office and talk about playing games on pieces of equipment that are physically older than you. 
[19:23:41] <GroggyPanda>	 nto sure happy or sad
[19:24:07] <FoeNyx>	 hexmode> I started with Basic too in the 80s .. nor internet nor linux, no choices 
[19:24:21] <GroggyPanda>	 i got internet when I was 14
[19:24:29] <GroggyPanda>	 was 'exposed' to it much earlier, if you know what I mean
[19:24:32] <hexmode>	 Lcawte: wait a few years till they graduate and start asking the programmers for spare change
[19:24:36] <staticshock>	 can someone tell me how to set $wgSecretKey ?
[19:24:44] <staticshock>	 there's NO documentation on it
[19:24:48] <Reedy>	 $wgSecretKey = 'Omg Secret';
[19:24:55] <Reedy>	 !wg SecretKey
[19:24:55] <mw-bot>	 http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgSecretKey
[19:24:57] <GroggyPanda>	 Lcawte: it changes at around ~20
[19:25:01] <Reedy>	 Lies ^
[19:25:02] <GroggyPanda>	 is just changing for me, actually
[19:25:10] <staticshock>	 GroggyPanda: yeah. now, follow that link. see what the documentation looks like.
[19:25:11] * hexmode  changes channel topic to "When did YOU discover the internet?"

[19:25:45] <GroggyPanda>	 Reedy: it might be because I did something that not many people do (dump college for a year and travel around while writing code)
[19:25:48] <staticshock>	 it says NOTHING about what it is, really, and what kind of value it should have.
[19:25:48] <GroggyPanda>	 or the money :P
[19:26:23] <Reedy>	 GroggyPanda, the lies was about there being no documentation for $wgSecretKey
[19:26:34] <hexmode>	 FoeNyx and I will start the cranky-pants old folks home for those of us over 35
[19:26:38] <GroggyPanda>	 damn
[19:27:09] <staticshock>	 i'm asking what a "best practice" is
[19:27:17] <Reedy>	 Change it in LocalSettings.php
[19:27:23] <Reedy>	 set it to a random string vcalue
[19:27:29] <staticshock>	 of any length?
[19:27:39] <Reedy>	 yeah
[19:27:42] <GroggyPanda>	 alright, jetlag catches up
[19:27:45] <GroggyPanda>	 gnite fellas
[19:28:26] <GroggyPanda>	 10/50 years later, let's hope we're not doing this as 'when *I* got on the internet, you could actually visit any website you wanted without approval!'
[19:28:28] <GroggyPanda>	 gnite
[19:28:43] <hexmode>	 GroggyPanda: heh
[19:28:45] <hexmode>	 night!
[19:29:32] <Sid-G>	 GroggyPanda: Lets hope so, gnite
[19:30:03] <codurr>	 03bawolff * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110678> 10/trunk/extensions/examples/Parser_hook.php: Fix the XSS vulnrability in the example extension. Also comment it more (Since its an example and all)
[19:31:51] <staticshock>	 is there a way to force-logout everyone from a wiki?
[19:32:07] <Sid-G>	 uh, disconnect the server?
[19:32:16] <staticshock>	 really?
[19:32:22] <Sid-G>	 kidding
[19:32:23] <staticshock>	 when i reconnect it, they'll still be logged in
[19:32:30] <FoeNyx>	 he probably means something like deleting sessions ?
[19:32:34] <staticshock>	 right
[19:32:36] <Sid-G>	 i'm not a dev; better wait for a real answer
[19:32:36] <staticshock>	 invalidate cookies
[19:32:52] <Sid-G>	 :)
[19:32:55] <staticshock>	 i thought changing the wgSecretKey would do it, but it's not doing it
[19:33:22] <Dantman>	 ...clear your session store
[19:33:48] <Dantman>	 If it's memcached, restart it. If it's php's storage find the directory and erase the contents
[19:34:08] <staticshock>	 hm, do you know where php stores it?
[19:34:16] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Assamese Vs Latin numerals in templates using parser functions, Set "$wgTranslateNumerals = false;" for aswiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31371  (10Prabhakar Sarma Neog)
[19:34:28] <Dantman>	 staticshock: Look in your php config
[19:34:50] <Dantman>	 We just store the php session id inside a cookie... nothing special with wgSecretKey there
[19:35:12] <staticshock>	 ok
[19:37:04] <codurr>	 03jeroendedauw * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110679> 10/trunk/extensions/EducationProgram/ (5 files in 2 dirs): work on ambassador profiles
[19:37:46] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) File errors shown at Special:MovePage and Special:Upload are displayed wrongly - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33846  +comment (10Rob Lanphier)
[19:38:08] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Article Feedback Page - Marked as helpful counter seems off - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34119  (10Yoni Shostak)
[19:40:15] <Dantman>	 The only thing we use wgSecretKey for is as a source of extra entropy when we create the user_token we store inside the database to use in the "Remember me" cookie.
[19:40:17] <codurr>	 New code comment: Aaron Schulz; Anything using LogPage::actionText should use the Formatter and the that function should also be dep; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/96546#c30458>
[19:41:41] <Dantman>	 If your wgSecretKey gets leaked out you have to change it AND rebuild entire user_token column in the user table
[19:44:10] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) RevisionDeletion-suppress and log entries don't play nice - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33167  +comment (10Rob Lanphier)
[19:44:45] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Wikipedia Android app should have a setting to turn off images - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33866  (10Andrea Stagi)
[19:45:51] <codurr>	 03jeroendedauw * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110680> 10/trunk/extensions/EducationProgram/ (4 files in 4 dirs): some ui work on ambassador profile pages
[19:47:28] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) RevisionDeletion-suppress and log entries don't play nice - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33167  +comment (10aschulz4587)
[19:49:50] <Dantman>	 ...otherwise if you know the wgSecretKey, the wfWikiID (which we use in public places), and the numeric userid of a username then it's possible to narrow the possible user_token's for a user down to merely 2,147,483,648 possible keys...
[19:54:17] <staticshock>	 Dantman: thanks.
[19:54:19] <Dantman>	 Which while being a large number, it's a lot less than all the possible outputs of a 128-bit md5 hash. And given the fact that php on 64-bit cpus favor even numbers could be given a slightly better chance of hitting the right one earlier on. And of course the ONLY thing you need to test is to make a HTTP GET containing a few cookies that look like a normal user request...
[19:55:39] <Dantman>	 So it's not like there is ANY rate limiting to it built in...
[19:55:48] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) manualthumb broken? - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34194 normal; MediaWiki: Parser; (umherirrender_de.wp)
[19:56:53] <staticshock>	 so if i change my wgSecretKey, what will happen in practice as a result of that? nothing?
[19:57:13] <staticshock>	 the user_token column will get rebuilt at some point?
[19:57:35] <Dantman>	 In fact if you made your script make GET requests using a User-Agent that looked like Googlebot, and instead of fetching the same url over and over randomized it to different valid urls on the site, it wouldn't even look very suspicious and could easily be mistaken for a search engine spidering the wiki when in reality it's someone trying to crack into user accounts
[19:58:08] <Dantman>	 staticshock: Nope... The entropy key used inside user_token building will be different when someone registers or changes their password
[19:58:19] <staticshock>	 ok
[19:58:21] <Dantman>	 It doesn't trigger in actual sort of refresh.
[19:58:54] <Dantman>	 In fact if you've got a good enough crypto-random source you could just have wgSecretKey set to a completely random result on every page request and be fine.
[19:59:04] <staticshock>	 ok
[19:59:14] <Dantman>	 Though, that might be a waste of time...
[19:59:40] <Dantman>	 given good crypto random sources take time to build up, and you only actually use wgSecretKey on very rare requests... that would slow down you site
[20:00:06] <Dantman>	 But in any case, you could give every single server and wiki instance you have a different secret key value and everything would work fine
[20:00:23] <codurr>	 03yaron * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110681> 10/trunk/extensions/ExternalData/ (ED_Utils.php ExternalData.php): Improved handling for SQLite in #get_db_data, using new $edgDBDirectory variable
[20:00:34] <Dantman>	 Tch... Tim-away is away
[20:02:17] <Dantman>	 ^_^ Heh... mt_rand is definitely NOT a good crypto-random source (besides the lack of entropy): "The distribution of mt_rand() return values is biased towards even numbers on 64-bit builds of PHP when max is beyond 2^32. "
[20:07:47] <codurr>	 New code comment: Umherirrender; Thanks for the merge. \ But please have a look at bug 34179, which is a directly result of this revis; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/107857#c30459>
[20:09:17] <codurr>	 New code comment: Reedy; If we don't make the whole http block optional, that will stop it catching other protocols \ e.g. \ $r; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/107857#c30460>
[20:09:45] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Unexpectedly blocks all protocols, not just http/https - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34179  +comment (10sam)
[20:12:30] <Dantman>	 I wonder if we should add openssl_random_pseudo_bytes to our token generation
[20:14:29] <codurr>	 03reedy * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110682> 10/branches/wmf/1.18wmf1/extensions/SpamBlacklist/SpamBlacklist_body.php:
[20:14:29] <codurr>	 Followup r107857, Bug 34179 - Unexpectedly blocks all protocols, not just http/https
[20:14:29] <codurr>	 Don't make the protocol group optional
[20:15:06] <codurr>	 03reedy * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110683> 10/trunk/extensions/SpamBlacklist/SpamBlacklist_body.php: Manually apply r110682 to trunk
[20:15:41] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) Unexpectedly blocks all protocols, not just http/https - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34179  +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[20:16:11] <hexmode>	 rmoen1: hey
[20:24:42] <Nikerabbit>	 AaronSchulz: it's hard to get online abroad
[20:25:00] <AaronSchulz>	 were are you?
[20:25:40] <Reedy>	 waffle land
[20:26:36] * AaronSchulz  reads http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Tam#USA

[20:29:21] <apergos>	 mmmmm
[20:32:32] <codurr>	 New code comment: Nikerabbit; And is the message now unused?; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110582#c30461>
[20:33:02] <codurr>	 New code comment: Reedy; It's still loaded into JS land....; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110582#c30462>
[20:33:17] <Nikerabbit>	 AaronSchulz: you haven't heard of fosdem?
[20:33:26] <Reedy>	 he's a yank ;)
[20:33:40] * AaronSchulz  has no track of who is going

[20:34:28] <Nikerabbit>	 Reedy: it's loaded but not used in JS as far as I can tell
[20:34:33] <Reedy>	 Yeah..
[20:34:35] <Reedy>	 Look at the WMF calendar
[20:35:30] <Nikerabbit>	 speaking of that
[20:36:14] * gwicke  heads off to catch the night train to fosdem too

[20:36:28] <Nikerabbit>	 is someone able to to move the next i18ndeploy to 12.00 UTC+1 or something? If I try to change the time it moves it to Tuesday (wtf?)
[20:38:24] <Reedy>	 So back 6 hours?
[20:40:06] <AaronSchulz>	 maplebed: random question: is it possible to check if all swift partitions are "up" for writes, like a health check, to see if a quorum of nodes in each partition are responsive?
[20:41:09] <maplebed>	 dunno what kind of check you're looking for.
[20:42:07] <maplebed>	 also, it often won't be the case that all are up.
[20:42:19] <maplebed>	 that's part of the magic - if a single disk dies, we can take it out without affecting the cluster.
[20:42:24] <AaronSchulz>	 right, but you need a quorum or writes will fail
[20:42:45] <maplebed>	 meaning we need at least 2 hosts.
[20:42:55] <maplebed>	 nagios will take care of watching that for us.
[20:43:17] <maplebed>	 (well, it won't say "are 2 or more up" but it will tell us when any are down and we can do the math.
[20:43:23] <maplebed>	 which is too bad, but that's nagios for you.)
[20:43:29] <maplebed>	 is that what you mean?
[20:43:38] <Nikerabbit>	 Reedy: yeah
[20:43:49] <AaronSchulz>	 2/3 hosts assigned to each partition, yes
[20:44:08] <AaronSchulz>	 just a slight concern with batch file operations in MediaWiki
[20:44:15] <maplebed>	 we're setting up each host as its own zone
[20:44:22] <maplebed>	 and the requirement is for one copy in each zone
[20:44:32] <maplebed>	 and three copies
[20:44:42] <AaronSchulz>	 yep
[20:44:45] <maplebed>	 so 2 hosts up meets the requirement,
[20:44:58] <maplebed>	 though the "normal" operating will be 5 hosts (aka 5 zones)
[20:45:26] <maplebed>	 so are we agreed that 2 hosts alive will be sufficient?
[20:45:32] <codurr>	 New code comment: Umherirrender; {{messagedocumentation}} ;-) \ I have done that on translatewiki.; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/105227#c30463>
[20:46:37] * AaronSchulz  thinks about 5 zones

[20:47:01] <maplebed>	 as a zone (host) dies, swift should shuffle the contents around to the other available zones.
[20:47:21] <maplebed>	 we're spreading the hosts across multilpe racks / switches / etc.,
[20:47:38] <maplebed>	 so the scenario we're looking at isn't that 3 die at once but that each one dies one at a time and we don't fix them quickly enough
[20:48:32] <maplebed>	 I'd really like to do one zone per rack (instead of per host, though in our initial deploy those will be the same thing), so that if a rack goes dark, it only takes out one zone
[20:48:36] <Zaran>	 hexmode : do you have any idea on how to deal with the prp bug ? as it only appears on deployment-prep instance I'm a bit lost
[20:56:13] <AaronSchulz>	 maplebed: anyway, I'm just thinking about cases where some objects can be changed while others can't due to 2+ nodes failing
[20:57:26] <maplebed>	 can you instrument the code with sufficient logging that we can gather a list of those occurrences?  that'll let us repair the situation later, if necessary.  (and also identify if it just never happens by intentionally failing out nodes and seeing what happens)
[20:57:43] <maplebed>	 i.e. enable reactive response rather than proactive prevention
[20:58:16] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) #time parser function can't read local language month names - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/19412  +comment (10Siddhartha Ghai)
[21:00:11] <AaronSchulz>	 maplebed: right now if that happens, MW won't see it coming and make keep making half-failed batch file operations. It will stop on failure and dump the failed operation and all the aborted ones after it to an error log.
[21:00:19] <AaronSchulz>	 *and may keep
[21:00:47] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) SF_RunQuery.php: Argument 3 passed to Parser::parse() must be an instance of ParserOptions, null given - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33606  +comment (10Yaron Koren)
[21:00:56] <AaronSchulz>	 so there is some logging for each failed batch already
[21:01:29] <maplebed>	 just sayin, if you make it easy to identify and repair, we can worry less about preventing it from happening.
[21:09:41] <codurr>	 03kaldari * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110684> 10/trunk/extensions/cldr/ (CldrNames.php CurrencyNames.body.php rebuild.php): follow-up to r110628, updating copyright comments to be accurate
[21:11:32] <codurr>	 New code comment: Kaldari; Fixed in r110684. Note that the functions in that class were consolidated from other classes. I beli; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110628#c30464>
[21:21:28] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Upgrade Wikimedia OTRS installation to the latest version - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/22622  +comment (10Martin E)
[21:27:03] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) #time parser function can't read local language month names - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/19412  +comment (10Platonides)
[21:34:04] <codurr>	 03foxtrott * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110685> 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/includes/ (4 files):
[21:34:04] <codurr>	 syntax w/o query string for autoedit & forminput;
[21:34:04] <codurr>	 fixes to correctly transcode parser function params;
[21:34:04] <codurr>	 avoid usage of array_merge_recursive;
[21:34:04] <codurr>	 fix to hiddenFieldHtml
[21:35:09] <codurr>	 03kaldari * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110686> 10/trunk/phase3/resources/jquery.tipsy/jquery.tipsy.js: adding note about local modifications
[21:35:47] <codurr>	 New code comment: Kaldari; It looks like our local version is substantially different than the upstream version (in both JS and; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110640#c30465>
[21:40:10] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Redirect preview rendering stops prematurely, hides categories - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/18775  +comment (10b-jorsch)
[21:40:27] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Redirect preview rendering stops prematurely, hides categories - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/18775   +need-review +patch (10Brad Jorsch)
[21:41:58] <AaronSchulz>	 robla: apparently the stashFile() error formatting is based on the assumption that it's for the API :)
[21:42:25] <robla>	 ah
[21:42:34] <codurr>	 03aaron * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110687> 10/trunk/phase3/includes/specials/SpecialMovepage.php: (bug 33846) Fixed backwards error msg/param passing.
[21:43:10] <AaronSchulz>	 it at least dumps out the parameters
[21:43:14] <AaronSchulz>	 it's just not pretty
[21:43:42] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) File errors shown at Special:MovePage and Special:Upload are displayed wrongly - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33846  +comment (10aschulz4587)
[21:52:33] <ericP>	 http://www.w3.org/wiki/HCLSIG/Organization has butt-loads of embedded style elements which i can factor out into classes
[21:52:59] <ericP>	 what do i need to do to create an "extension" so i can stick the CSS into <extension>/main.css
[21:57:17] <Amgine>	 [[Mediawiki:common.css]]
[21:58:00] <ericP>	 Amgine, tx, though i'm trying to make it so my wierd classes for a small number of pages don't pollute the class space for the whole site
[21:59:49] <Amgine>	 !e CSS
[21:59:49] <mw-bot>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:CSS
[22:00:13] <ericP>	 ahh, tx
[22:00:46] <Amgine>	 yw
[22:03:10] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Upgrade Wikimedia OTRS installation to the latest version - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/22622  +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[22:07:28] <Ashex>	 Hey guys, how do you escape symbols in php? Having issues with a password
[22:08:25] <Reedy>	 \
[22:08:31] <Reedy>	 usually..
[22:18:25] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Update key mapping in Narayam Gujarati transliteration - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34056  +comment (10dsvyas)
[22:26:50] <Danny_B|backup>	 how to add button in old edit toolbar? the old way doesn't work anymore :-/
[22:39:58] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Preload popular ResourceLoader modules (mediawiki.util) as stop-gap for scripts missing dependencies - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33746  +comment (10erwin)
[22:40:02] <codurr>	 New code comment: Edokter; With bug 33711/r110542 now loading mw.util as a dependency of mw.page.startup in the top load queue,; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110254#c30466>
[22:44:32] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Gadgets stopped working on enwiki beta - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34195 critical; Wikimedia Labs: Setup; (erwin)
[22:58:35] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Gadgets stopped working on enwiki beta - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34195  04CRIT->major; +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[23:07:02] <codurr>	 03rfaulk * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110688> 10/trunk/tools/wsor/message_templates/R/ (3 files): added functionality to do aggregate analysis of different templates
[23:14:28] <jeremyb>	 note to self: before making an acct by email on a new wiki make sure that email works at all. test with a password reset ;)
[23:14:32] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Enable XFN rel=me for links on User Profile pages and rel="author" links on topic articles - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/29968  +comment (10plindner)
[23:21:44] <Sanky>	 Is there a sensible way for two mediawikis to share a page, complete with edits being synchronized?
[23:22:00] <Sanky>	 (Oh, and hello.)
[23:23:16] <Reedy>	 !e ProofreadPage
[23:23:16] <mw-bot>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ProofreadPage
[23:27:37] <AaronSchulz>	 Platonides: is r106025 ok?
[23:30:35] <codurr>	 03raymond * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110689> 10/trunk/ (71 files in 51 dirs): Localisation updates for core and extension messages from translatewiki.net
[23:37:34] <codurr>	 03aaron * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110690> 10/trunk/phase3/ (CREDITS includes/db/DatabasePostgres.php): Reverted r106025 and friends (r106370, r106373, r108060, r108337, r106419). This can go in 1.20 if a Postgres person has time to look at it.
[23:43:54] <Ashex>	 Is there any way to export forms/properties?
[23:51:07] <Reedy>	 Stupid convert "Error creating thumbnail: Unable to save thumbnail to destination"
[23:53:20] <Reedy>	 !thumbnail
[23:53:20] <mw-bot>	 For information on configuring thumbnailing on MediaWiki, please refer to <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Image_Administration#Image_thumbnailing>.
[23:56:21] <Reedy>	 setting wgImageMagickTempDir fixed it
[23:56:22] <Reedy>	 stupid thing