[00:00:14] Joan: that is the sort of impertinence up with which I will not put (Churchill, I think) [00:00:16] New code comment: Aaron Schulz; This also cleans up the 'timecond' logic.; [00:00:31] hi! [00:00:32] oops too late [00:00:45] Reedy: soo, meeting over? [00:01:18] one question: as far as i understand it's only possible to improve the mediawiki search when i install some search engine on the webserver? or is there any search extention that works without server modification? [00:01:26] TimStarling: I think I'll commit http://pastebin.com/jhbwF3gX ... should I also comment out the usage? [00:01:37] (if there is still some problem) [00:02:26] hello, sorry, I have a problem Question: after upgrading Special:ListFiles shows an empty page. Debuglog says MediaHandler::getHandler: no handler found for application/pdf. Error log says PHP Fatal error: Call to a member function toHtml() on a non-object in /includes/specials/SpecialListfiles.php on line 199, referer: /index.php/Special:Upload [00:03:35] upgrading to what? [00:04:35] AaronSchulz: maybe comment it out for now [00:05:32] 1.15.1 to trunk. I did this in one installation. On another server I got problems [00:05:43] with images [00:06:06] which convert = /usr/bin/convert (looks ok) [00:06:18] but MW should not throw these errors [00:06:29] if images files are missing or what else [00:06:42] I'll put some comments on CR about it after you commit it, but there's lots of other things to do and I don't want this to take priority [00:07:17] at rev110807 [00:08:31] I got many of theseMediaHandler::getHandler: no handler found for application/zip . [00:08:33] MediaHandler::getHandler: no handler found for application/pdf . [00:09:04] 03inez * 10/trunk/extensions/VisualEditor/contentEditable/ (ime.html main.js): Get wikitext preview pane to work in contentEditable [00:09:29] Any knowledgable users willing to point me in the right direction? I want to pitch my website idea, and hopefully you could direct me to the best tools, if mediwiki is capable. [00:09:31] AaronSchulz: my debug log is full of these MediaHandler messages. Any idea ? [00:11:01] New code comment: Aaron Schulz; Fixed in r110687. This code, however, should throw an exception or something in such cases.; [00:11:59] Basically, I want it to be a collaborative site like a wiki, but the pages will be strictly set up as trees. There will be a single page listing the top level pages, and those pages can each be split off of. The idea is that it is a collaborative choose your own adventure. Instead of users writing wiki code, however, I want it to be a form they fill in, automatically creating the new page's title and content, along with updat [00:12:09] (new choice) to this new page. [00:12:33] Does anyone have experience with setting up a wiki as simply forms? [00:12:35] 03tparscal * 10/trunk/extensions/VisualEditor/tests/ (17 files in 2 dirs): Updated unit tests in response to structural changes in r110805 [00:14:20] AaronSchulz: and rebuildMessages.php throws hundres of this into debug [00:14:22] FSFile::getProps: Getting file info for /images/archive/8/88/20081202155804!xyubal.jpg [00:14:23] FSFile::getProps: /images/archive/8/88/20081202155804!xyubal.jpg NOT FOUND! [00:14:25] OldLocalFile::upgradeRow: file does not exist, aborting [00:20:31] 03aaron * 10/trunk/phase3/includes/Message.php: r80240: throw an exception if an empty message key array is given [00:21:01] 03(FIXED) Fix the fixme in rev 80240 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34234 +comment (10Aaron Schulz) [00:21:45] 03christian * 10/trunk/extensions/VisualEditor/contentEditable/views/es.SurfaceView.js: work on copying and pasting [00:35:58] 03aaron * 10/trunk/phase3/includes/filerepo/backend/FileOp.php: r109469: protect FileOpScopedPHPTimeout from abuse by infinite loops. Also commented out the invocation of it for now. [00:36:47] AaronSchulz: I did a fresh installation (svn checkout to new path, copied /images from old to new path , run update installation, and now it works. So, let's regard it as glitch (and solved) [00:37:00] hmm [00:41:04] 03(mod) [SF] Special:RunQuery error takes down pages using it - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33424 +comment (10fastgoldfish) [00:42:30] 03tparscal * 10/trunk/extensions/VisualEditor/modules/ve/dm/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Minor fixes (line length breaking, jshint nagging, etc) [00:44:00] 03(FIXED) [SF] Special:RunQuery error takes down pages using it - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33424 +comment (10badon) [00:51:08] 03(mod) Gadgets stopped working on enwiki beta and commons beta - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34195 +comment (10Mark A. Hershberger) [00:51:53] robla: do you have a moment to talk about GSoC? [00:59:32] New code comment: Khorn (WMF); All my issues were addressed in r110800. :); [01:04:31] New code comment: Khorn (WMF); I feel the need to mention again how happy I am that we did the DI form settings this way. \ So: Woot.; [01:04:36] 03(mod) Provide additional links on Special:Listusers - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/12021 +comment (10Sumana Harihareswara) [01:05:31] New code comment: Pgehres (WMF); I am also very happy that I can commit this file so as to not have to try and communicate the change; [01:11:42] 03tparscal * 10/trunk/extensions/VisualEditor/modules/ve/es/ve.es.Node.js: Fixed backspace - another issue related the r110805 (or as we are now calling it, "The Great Code Migration of 2012") [01:12:37] :) [01:13:42] 03(mod) Gadgets stopped working on enwiki beta and commons beta - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34195 +comment (10erwin) [01:31:42] robla: do you have a moment to talk about GSoC? [01:32:04] sumanah: sure, what's up? [01:32:13] johnduhart: hey, if you have any more easy bugs to add to https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Annoying_little_bugs please do [01:32:34] robla: I'm looking back on https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/NOLA_Hackathon/Sunday#GSoC_discussion [01:33:28] robla: sometime next week? I want to create a list of people to reach out to as potential mentors, including people who are not the usual suspects [01:33:44] robla: for example, Dan Barrett & Daniel Renfro at VistaPrint, and other places where they are heavy MW users [01:34:02] robla: if you have any names off the top of your head, I'd love to hear them now [01:34:11] * robla reads [01:35:11] robla: also, I got advice from multiple other GSoC mentors & org admins that it's good to require applicants to make a tiny contribution as part of their application. So, in order for us to consider your application, you need to reach out to us on IRC or the mailing list, get a little task to do, and do it. We promise to be hella friendly. That sort of thing. [01:35:35] robla: this would be like one-line or five-line fixes. [01:36:12] this reduces the number of terrible applications, and gets potential applicants further invested in stuff, and engages them early [01:36:32] * robla is a little slow due to IRL distractions...but is getting there [01:37:51] a fellow admin says, "once they make one, they are addicted" :-) [01:39:50] robla: I was skeptical about this and thought "this means we'll only get applicants from people who already know how to contribute to FLOSS" but if we build a good onramp and link to good tools and are aggressively friendly, I think we can still recruit students who aren't already old hands at this [01:39:55] sumanah: one cautionary note for casting the net out too far for mentors: there's a lot of counterintuitive stuff along the way to getting code deployed....having mentors that aren't experienced committers could be bad [01:39:58] which I care about from a social justice perspective [01:40:37] robla: ok, true. this also brings up the question of balancing proposals that are WMF-y vs not [01:40:57] robla: but we do not have to have this conversation right right now. [01:41:29] robla: just wanted to let you know where my mind is on this [01:42:30] johnduhart: I could use your perspective in understanding whether a few "easy"-keyworded bugs are actually good for fairly new folks [01:43:31] sumanah: Sure, throw them at me [01:43:53] 03inez * 10/trunk/extensions/VisualEditor/ (10 files in 4 dirs): Adapt ContentEditable code to new schema of directories and files [01:43:54] johnduhart: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=29503 https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19935 https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33691 https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33685 https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33165 [01:44:22] johnduhart: as you can see with https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Annoying_little_bugs I am attempting to provide newbies with some guidance on where to look, what files they would modify, etc. [01:47:05] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33691 This was answered, can you ask him to resubmit as a patch? [01:47:48] will do, johnduhart -- I was thinking that the easy task would be "just take what the earlier person did and turn it into a patch!" [01:48:20] heh, okay [01:49:26] johnduhart: replied to moe. [01:49:42] 03(mod) PHP Warning on showing Release Notes due to the fact that file does not exist - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33691 +comment (10Sumana Harihareswara) [01:50:10] 03khorn * 10/branches/fundraising/deployment/payments_1.17/extensions/DonationInterface/gateway_common/interface.i18n.php: MFT r110353, r110424, r110428, r110519, r110614, r110689, r110709, r110712, r110726, r110765, r110791 [01:52:07] 29503 is not really easy, you need to have a little understanding of how MobileFrontend works and even I can't get an idea of what to do after looking for 3 minutes. [01:52:16] And I've been working with MobileFrontend all weekend [01:52:34] johnduhart: remove the "easy" keyword and say that? :-) [01:52:39] Sure [01:52:42] thx [01:53:13] 03(mod) Option to permanently see mobile frontend from desktop render - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/29503 -easy ; +comment (10John Du Hart) [02:00:11] 03christian * 10/trunk/extensions/VisualEditor/ (3 files in 2 dirs): tweaks to margins [02:01:32] 03christian * 10/trunk/extensions/VisualEditor/modules/ve/ce/styles/ve.es.Document.css: removing outline from contenteditable [02:06:43] If I want to set up a wiki farm, should I be using $wgConf? If so, can I then update all of them at once when I upgrade to new versions of MW just by running update.php? [02:08:30] hello [02:08:50] is the openid author around? [02:09:13] I want to configure my wiki so that the only way people can register for a new account is via open ID [02:09:23] to stop spammers, but still make it easy to reg [02:11:30] is anybody here? [02:11:37] seems aweful quiet [02:12:10] * johnduhart beeps [02:12:49] 03(mod) Search box highlight - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/19935 +comment (10John Du Hart) [02:12:55] * dbolser jumps out of his skin [02:13:07] hello johnduhart, I was faceface yesterday [02:13:49] oh hi [02:14:26] the openid dev used to hang out in here and give lots of help [02:15:04] dbolser: Ryan Lane? [02:15:18] erm... the one who took over for summer [02:15:22] oh that's LDAP. [02:15:29] the author not of OpenID itself but of MediaWiki's OpenID extension? [02:15:31] hi sumanah [02:15:34] * sumanah shakes head, things rattle [02:15:37] hi dbolser! [02:15:46] MediaWiki's OpenID extension [02:15:58] Wikinaut, Thomas Gries, I think, maintains it now? [02:16:06] sumanah: what is a good link for "why update mediawiki"? [02:16:18] dbolser: a hacked wiki, I guess? ;-) [02:16:24] hehe [02:16:26] dbolser: more seriously that is a good question [02:16:31] I thought there was a ... right [02:17:20] I made a funny blog post about my over zealous email escapades, and I wanted to improve it with some links to facts... [02:17:25] 14(WFM) Unclosed tr in watchlist with "enhanced recent changes" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33685 -easy ; +comment (10John Du Hart) [02:17:27] <^demon|away> Just read the release notes on any of the security releases. That should scare anyone into upgrading ;-) [02:17:56] ^demon|away: scare any sysadmin, but often its not them that drives the thing [02:18:06] yeah. [02:18:46] defending the ROI on a decision that costs some people some utility -- it's hard sometimes! [02:18:49] sumanah, dbolser: Perhaps "unfortunately" we don't even have as compeling a reason as WordPress does to get people to keep up to date [02:19:03] Dantman: you mean security vulns that people notice? :-) [02:19:05] lol [02:19:36] dbolser: for any given recent release, we do have the top-level "cool things in this release" page on mediawiki.org [02:19:38] security is one thing, but the new search is awesome compared to the old one, but I sill hear people talk about 'crappy mw search' [02:19:43] like: performance improvements! [02:19:53] Speaking of security... [02:19:58] yups [02:20:10] sumanah: http://bioblog5000.blogspot.com/2012/02/time-to-update-your-mediawiki.html [02:20:28] <^demon|away> If you're not using appropriate caching, MediaWiki has gotten progressively worse w.r.t performance. [02:20:34] <^demon|away> Especially over the past 2-3 releases. [02:20:41] aieeee [02:20:47] I don't think enough people understand what they need to do when they accidentally lose a dump of their database or post the value of their wgSecretKey here [02:20:49] dbolser: sad ha [02:21:17] <^demon|away> sumanah: ResourceLoader w/o caching is painful. [02:21:21] dbolser: so, it would be good to list like 5 improvements that are really salient to end users and to administrators [02:21:29] <^demon|away> Like, "go get a coffee and do your grocery shopping while the page loads" painful. [02:22:38] I don't think that many peope understand that the user table contains a column which will allow anyone with access to the table to gain access to every single user account on your wiki [02:22:40] sumanah: yeah, that would be ideal [02:22:48] We should probably stress during install that a proper caching setup is important [02:23:00] ^demon|away: What kind of caching? [02:23:09] * dbolser has no cash [02:23:11] "Go ahead and install APC or memcached, we'll wait" [02:23:13] johnduhart, ^demon|away -- yes, that would be a good step [02:23:17] or suggestion [02:23:18] ^demon|away: My wiki takes like 15s to load. But I think the host is just bad. [02:23:26] <^demon|away> That could be it too. [02:23:38] That just sounds like a bad host [02:23:42] 03khorn * 10/branches/fundraising/deployment/payments_1.17/extensions/DonationInterface/ (22 files in 6 dirs): MFT r109685, r110438, r110440, r110448, r110736, r110773, r110800, r110803 [02:23:44] <^demon|away> Any production php app without APC is shooting yourself in the foot. [02:23:51] Yeah. [02:24:26] php should really just start bundling apc with php and installing it by default [02:24:32] sumanah: any links to change there? [02:24:37] <^demon|away> Dantman: php6 ;-) [02:24:41] dbolser: you mean in your blog entry? [02:25:03] yes [02:25:21] dbolser: lemme look again. [02:25:49] I also need to put on my white hat [02:26:08] I said I was going to release info on that vuln awhile ago [02:26:10] dbolser: I think I would link to "extensions" for "easy to extend" myself [02:26:31] oh.. thought I did... [02:27:05] and thank you for the compliments, dbolser [02:27:13] dbolser: I think that's the only link I'd switch up [02:27:15] 03(NEW) Stress the importance of a cache during install - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34236 enhancement; MediaWiki: Installation; (john) [02:27:38] sumanah: awesome! [02:27:43] <^demon|away> johnduhart: We already check for available caching. [02:28:00] <^demon|away> Should just be able to tweak the "no caches found" message to be more "ZOMG YOU SHOULD FIX THIS" [02:28:10] ^demon|away: I know but if there isn't any caching available we should really push them if they don' [02:28:11] t [02:28:12] yup [02:28:24] <^demon|away> Well we should warn violently. [02:28:32] <^demon|away> But you should still be able to install without it. [02:28:34] Oh... I like that logo [02:28:47] sumanah: can I get a badge with that logo on from somewhere? [02:29:15] dbolser: what logo? not sure what you are referencing, sorry [02:29:19] ^demon|away: does a new install use a cache if it finds one by default? [02:29:21] 03rfaulk * 10/trunk/tools/wsor/message_templates/umetrics/generators/edit_counts.py: Added logic to break out edit activity by: 0-3 days, 3-30 days, and more than 30 days after template posting event [02:29:31] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/File:MediaWiki-extensions-icon.svg [02:29:34] sumanah: ^^ [02:29:53] ohh! [02:29:54] <^demon|away> dbolser: Yes, it will use APC, XCache or WinCache if they're available. [02:30:01] dbolser: sorry I missed that [02:30:09] oh varnent did it! [02:30:12] <^demon|away> Memcached requires manual configuration, but you can do it from the installer. [02:30:20] sumanah: np, I just want a badge ;-) [02:30:27] <^demon|away> johnduhart: "config-no-cache" is the message you're looking for. [02:30:36] * ^demon|away heads off to eat [02:30:47] full page warning [02:30:54] * dbolser heads off to eat ^demon|away [02:30:58] night [02:31:05] dbolser: I never heard of a badge but I would not object to a badge existing! I bet varnent would like one [02:31:12] huh, dbolser, https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:DuyTrinh [02:31:18] look at that, a little user infobox [02:31:28] O_O dbolser has turned to canibalism!? [02:31:38] dbolser: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Project:WikiProject_Extensions [02:31:43] <^demon|away> We're bringing userboxen to mw.org? [02:31:45] <^demon|away> *shudder* [02:31:54] badges? [02:32:07] sumanah: I love it, but I'd like to buy it from WMF [02:32:08] :D [02:32:18] dbolser: oh you mean like a physical pin! [02:32:20] <^demon|away> varnet: I'm old-school. I was around for the userbox wars :p [02:32:21] I need stinkin badges! [02:32:29] lol - was thinking about that quote [02:32:34] oh... a pin is it eh? [02:32:36] like a physical badge or like a barnstar? https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/File:MWExtDev_Barnstar_Hires.png [02:32:56] something I can pin on my chest and walk around [02:33:01] (in the real world) [02:33:07] (Zazzle? CafePress?) [02:33:16] dbolser: there's a new merch manager at WMF, I can ping him about it [02:33:18] just a moment [02:33:22] sumanah: build the WMF shop, and I'll come buying [02:33:31] (on CafePress I mean) [02:33:45] ping him so hard [02:33:49] dbolser: pm me the best email to cc you? [02:33:57] 03(FIXED) Rename RequestContext::getLang to getLanguage - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/29524 +comment (10John Du Hart) [02:34:37] thanks dbolser [02:35:43] thank you! [02:35:45] night [02:43:39] 03(mod) GlobalFunctions.php line 1312: Call to a member function getText() on a non-object - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33165 summary (10John Du Hart) [02:44:59] If I have a wiki farm how do I run update.php for all of them? Is that something that using $wgConf solves? [02:46:23] hi tekmosis -- gicode and Amgine are people who run wikifarms [02:46:29] tekmosis: No, if you have a file with the db names you could write a bash script [02:46:34] tekmosis: gicode is evidently not here but maybe Amgine can ... oh [02:47:47] It's using the same DB but different prefixes per wiki. I was hoping $wgConf would have solved the issue. Although, I guess I could write a shell script to run update.php perwiki :S [02:48:07] Otherwise maybe you could create a wrapper maintence script around update.php that cycles through all the defined local databases [02:48:08] Oh [02:48:19] Then yeah, that's a bit tricky. [02:48:36] How did you even get all the wikis on one db to work with wgConf? [02:49:26] I have a mapping table and based off of $_SERVER['SERVER_NAME'] I then set $wgDBprefix [02:49:32] 03johnduhart * 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES-1.19 includes/GlobalFunctions.php): Fixes bug 33165 - GlobalFunctions.php line 1312: Call to a member function getText() on a non-object [02:50:10] tekmosis: Yeah but how do you then use wgConf? Isn't the settings all based of db names? [02:50:45] 03(FIXED) GlobalFunctions.php line 1312: Call to a member function getText() on a non-object - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33165 +comment (10John Du Hart) [02:51:03] I haven't used $wgConf yet in my set up. I thought it would solve the issue though [02:51:29] I'm sort of here, Sumanah. [02:51:32] Making dinner [02:52:06] enjoy [02:52:43] Muscati glazed pork and pearl onions. [02:54:09] When I first set this up I couldn't really find much documentation on farms so I had to just sort of wing it. Our sys admin didn't like the idea of 100+ db's for our wikis so it was 1 db with prefixes per wiki. So it just determines which tables to used by changing $wgDBPrefix per wiki. But, now I'm a little hosed when it comes to updating to 1.18 [03:04:11] There's no advantage to putting every wiki in the same database [03:05:41] It makes our backups and restores more manageable rather than 100+ db's and also keeps phpmyadmin in a more usable state [03:09:07] how to modify items in the Navigation box? global/skins? [03:09:32] !sidebar [03:09:32] To edit the navigation menu on the left, edit page [[MediaWiki:Sidebar]] on your wiki using its special syntax. For more details, see http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Interface/Sidebar [03:09:49] thanks [03:10:59] ^demon|away: I know you are off with dinner, but re Arthur's question on wikitech-l, will you answer or should I? [03:15:54] 03(NEW) user_token should automatically regenerate when NULL - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34237 normal; MediaWiki: User login; (mediawiki-bugs) [03:33:17] Just used http://wikipedia.ramselehof.de/wikiblame.php - useful once I hacked it by inserting "www" into the "language" field [03:43:39] 03tstarling * 10/trunk/phase3/ (img_auth.php languages/messages/MessagesEn.php): [03:43:39] * Fix for r81363: instead of giving a PHP notice when PATH_INFO is missing, show the informative error message used before that revision. [03:43:39] * Revert the change to the relevant message made in r102612: it is plain text, not wikitext, a format which does not support protocol-relative URLs. [03:45:46] Hi! [03:45:50] Alguno habla espa�ol? [03:46:22] Someboy home? [03:46:28] Unknow: hi. [03:46:43] Unknow: I do not know whether any Spanish speakers are around, though. [03:46:54] it's like 4am in spain isn't it? [03:47:11] * sumanah needs to find us more South & Latin Americans [03:47:55] Any room of mediawiki in spanish? [03:47:59] Oh man, was just about to log out... [03:48:13] Good opportunity for using my Spanish skills... [03:48:18] :) [03:48:28] Thank you Yaron [03:48:28] Unknow - si, yo hablo un poco Espanol. [03:48:36] I have to go. [03:48:40] Sorry, i'm from Venezuela and need help me! [03:48:50] Yaron, Hi! Saludos! [03:48:53] Okay, que es la problema? [03:49:33] Yaron, Estoy configurando una mediawiki, ya est� "totalmente" operativa. El �nico problema es, que los correos de verificaci�n cuando los usuarios se registran, no los env�a a los usuarios. [03:49:59] A donde los envia? [03:50:21] No. No env�a los correos de confirmaci�n a los correos de los usuarios que se registran. [03:50:25] TimStarling: happy hacking, see you in the commit access queue review meeting tomorrow [03:51:13] Unknow - ah... el email no trabajo? [03:52:13] Pienso que si. [03:52:15] Yaron, Cuando un usuario se registra en la wiki, esta, env�a un correo al usuario registrado. Ese correo es el que deber�a llegarle al usuario, pero no se env�a. [03:52:35] Si, comprendo. [03:53:18] "e-mail" = correo electronico. [03:53:23] The mail when a users it's registred, not send to users. Why? I don' t no. [03:53:38] E-mail = correo electr�nico. Si. [03:53:43] :) [03:54:26] Hm... pienso que el sistem simplemente no puede enviar los correos. [03:54:40] el sistema. [03:55:15] Yaron, system? [03:55:48] Unknow - si... el sistema operativo. [03:56:43] Pienso que hay una problema con la configuracion de "e-mail". [03:57:21] En: $wgEmailConfirmToEdi [03:58:10] No ese.... [03:58:40] In the file of config. need to parameters? "$wgEmailConfirmToEdit" [03:58:48] New code comment: Tim Starling; Why did you modify a configuration global variable in img_auth.php instead of using a parameter to W; [03:59:23] Unknow - no, no debe modificar eso. [04:00:12] Yaron, C�mo se dice "cu�l" en ingles? [04:00:16] Dx [04:00:39] No se ese palabra. [04:00:55] Wicht? � witch? [04:01:01] "cuil"? [04:01:05] No. [04:01:12] Oh... "cual". [04:01:18] Si - "which". [04:02:02] which the parameters for modify the confirm email? [04:02:12] Mi "software" no puede leer los acentos. [04:02:24] Sorry! [04:02:30] :/ [04:02:34] I don't know.... [04:02:35] I forgett [04:02:41] It's okay. [04:03:12] Exits any manual in spanish for mediawiki? [04:03:30] Estoy entren de buscar ahora. [04:03:33] I don't think so... [04:03:57] Well, there is this: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki/es [04:04:47] I find this wiki later, but, the guide equal it' s in English. [04:05:39] Tienes eso en LocalSettings.php? "$wgEnableEmail = true;" [04:07:16] Eso puede ser la problema, tambien: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgSMTP [04:07:37] This it's the problem. $wgEmailAuthentication [04:07:50] Oh - maybe. [04:08:50] :( [04:10:04] Bienvenido al mundo de "debugging". :) [04:10:16] Yaron, Dx [04:10:25] Ya lo conozco. He estado en el. [04:10:27] :) [04:10:48] I should config the SMTP protocol? [04:12:14] :) [04:12:19] Maybe... [04:13:01] If you're using UNIX or Linux, try just calling "mail": http://linux.about.com/od/commands/l/blcmdl1_Mail.htm [04:13:23] en la "command line". [04:13:43] el linea de comandos? [04:14:02] la linea. [04:16:00] Whith which command? [04:16:17] Unknow - "mail". [04:16:31] Mira el URL. [04:17:27] como... "mail -s Hola unknow@gmail.com". [04:17:32] Vale! [04:17:50] Ok! [04:18:15] Ese funciona? [04:18:22] Voy. [04:19:00] No comprendo. :) [04:19:14] Wait... [04:19:15] :) [04:19:46] Ah. [04:29:34] Yaron, C�mo se dice "qui�n"? [04:29:49] "who". [04:30:16] who it's the op? [04:30:32] Que es "op"? [04:31:04] <[_White_]> Operator Channel [04:31:24] Yes. [04:31:35] I don't know. [04:32:02] <[_White_]> Psst: /cs access #mediawiki list [04:32:14] <[_White_]> +o = Operator Channel [04:35:34] Do you need something? [04:36:33] Joan, Contac the people programming bots of this room. [04:36:58] What about the bots? [04:37:36] Yaron, Si, deshabilito "$wgEnableEmail" no requerir� la confirmaci�n? [04:38:26] Unknow - la sistema require una confirmacion ahora? [04:38:35] requiere. [04:39:09] el wiki requiere una confirmacion para editar? [04:39:20] Si. Pero quiero quitarlo. [04:39:30] Joan, Translate the bots. [04:39:57] Unknow - oh... ese es "$wgEmailConfirmToEdit". [04:40:05] Yes. [04:40:07] False. [04:40:29] No ser�a este? $wgEnableUserEmail = true; # UPO [04:40:45] Y para quitarlo coloco el "False" [04:40:57] No... [04:41:41] Me voy a dormir ahora... [04:41:54] Buena suerte! [04:41:56] Vale! [04:42:02] Thanks! [05:05:32] New code comment: Tim Starling; Why would you use a protocol-relative URL to link to translatewiki.net? I thought protocol-relative ; [05:27:13] Is anyone here experienced with Semantic Forms? [05:29:27] Okay, forget Semantic Forms. I have a specific use for mediawiki and I'm kinda confused. [05:29:55] Go on. [05:30:41] I want the structure to function like a tree. Each page links to multiple pages. Each of those contains multiple pages. I was thinknig I could use forms to do it... but it doesnt seem to work recursively. [05:30:51] Okay, so my project is this: [05:33:46] A user creates a top level page "Knights and Princesses". This is page 1 of a new novel/story. Any user can read it, click a button at the bottom that says "add a story branch". Then, 3 things happen. 1: that user fills in a form with the next page of his story "The Knight Dies". 2: that new page now has a button at the bottom "Add a story Branch". 3: The first page is also changed; in addition the the button "Add a story branch [05:34:03] Multiple Choice Collaborative Adventures. [05:34:42] This is already possible technically in vanilla mediawiki, but I want it to be completely non-technical, no wiki markup. Not manual. [05:36:37] Contrbuting authors can branch the story multiple times, choose your own adventure style. Hopefully the original author will have authority to manage permissions over his story. [05:37:39] It seems mediawiki is best for this because it is geared toward collaboration, but I don't know where to go from here. I tried Semantic Wiki and Forms, but it doesn't seem to allow what I want. [05:37:44] Any advice? [05:39:14] I want users to not have to use wiki markup. It should be totally seamless while they simply write the story, and all the links populate automatically. [05:45:50] 03(mod) The tag is sanitized - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31817 +comment (10Santhosh Thottingal) [05:54:47] anyone know why we still have the "Check usage" links in the Extension template? rarely seems to work :/ [05:55:53] (experimental) [05:57:32] permanently [06:24:54] yeah, it's kinda frustrating. every now and then i fantasize that it would start to work, but it never does. [06:25:02] New code comment: Peachey88; Perhaps we should just put a HTTPS link there, which is what I think we have done in a couple of oth; [06:49:48] 03(NEW) mwstore:// URLs appear in various error messages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34238 normal; MediaWiki: Images and files; (tstarling) [06:49:54] 03(mod) mwstore:// URLs appear in various error messages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34238 (10Tim Starling) [06:51:21] 03(mod) mwstore:// URLs appear in various error messages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34238 +comment (10Tim Starling) [06:58:48] New code comment: Siebrand; Adding fixme because I'm using my phone. Easy to change http to https; [07:04:32] 03maxsem * 10/trunk/extensions/Cite/Cite.php: Follow-up r102160: disable popups by default [07:05:18] New code comment: MaxSem; Done in r110823, resetting this rev to new.; [07:06:02] New code comment: Siebrand; We added protocol relative URLs for all sites that are using both http and https. Twn is just one of; [07:35:16] 03(mod) Adding options to Special:ListUsers (hide permanent and temporary blocks) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33545 +comment (10bawolff+wn) [07:47:14] 03(mod) Opening a saved page crashes the app - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34207 +comment (10yuvipanda) [08:04:50] 03bawolff * 10/trunk/extensions/ShortUrl/SpecialShortUrl.php: [08:04:51] Make it so that going to Special:ShortUrl/f'''o''' doesn't make the o bold (It [08:04:51] doesn't really matter at all, since no one is going to go to a url like that, [08:04:51] and if they did it wouldn't matter if the o was bold, but nonetheless...) [08:06:17] 03(mod) Save page goes to "Sorry, this page is not available" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33625 +comment (10yuvipanda) [08:07:33] 03dantman * 10/trunk/phase3/includes/User.php: [08:07:33] (bug 34237) Regenerate an empty user_token and save to the database when we try to set the user's cookies for login. [08:07:33] This allows the entire user_token column to be regenerated after a leak by running `UPDATE user SET user_token = NULL;` and letting the user_tokens be regenerated as users try to log back in. [08:12:48] New code comment: Dantman; Btw, anyone who wants to should feel free to update the user_token schema to remove the `NOT NULL`. ; [08:13:02] 03(mod) user_token should automatically regenerate when NULL - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34237 +comment (10mediawiki-bugs) [08:18:42] 03(FIXED) Searching for "#" - "Bad title" fix on Mediawiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33628 +comment (10Yuvi Panda) [08:21:28] 03(mod) User's last viewed language/page is not saved correctly - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/32920 +comment (10yuvipanda) [08:32:05] 03(FIXED) QuickSearch in Android should support Multiple Languages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34186 +comment (10Yuvi Panda) [08:48:41] 03bawolff * 10/trunk/extensions/ShortUrl/ (ShortUrl.php js/ext.shortUrl.js): (bug 33551) - Make ShortUrl work properly with protocol relative urls. [08:50:50] 03(FIXED) ShortUrl isn't protocol relative - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33551 +comment (10Bawolff) [08:58:04] 03(FIXED) WIkipedia Android app forward button at times does nothing - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33280 +comment (10Yuvi Panda) [09:08:21] 03(NEW) Suggestion: MW installer should also detect availabilty of APC (or other) cache methods and automatically preset (propose) to enable them during installation - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34239 normal; MediaWiki: Installation; (mail) [09:08:33] 03(mod) Suggestion: MW installer should also detect availabilty of APC (or other) cache methods and automatically preset (propose) to enable them during installation - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34239 normal->15enhancement (10T. Gries) [09:08:52] 03(mod) Suggestion: MW installer should detect availability of APC (or other) cache methods and automatically preset (propose) to enable them during installation - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34239 summary (10T. Gries) [09:09:14] 03(mod) Suggestion: MW installer should detect availability of APC (or other) cache methods and automatically preset checkboxes (propose) to enable them during installation - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34239 summary (10T. Gries) [09:09:27] 03(mod) Suggestion: MW installer should detect availability of APC (or other) cache methods and automatically preset checkbox (propose) to enable them during installation - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34239 summary (10T. Gries) [09:09:42] 03(mod) Suggestion: MW installer should detect availability of APC (or other) cache methods and automatically preset checkbox (propose) to enable them during installation - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34239 (10T. Gries) [09:13:31] 03(NEW) Redirected Mobile pages do not have rel='canonical' links - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34240 normal; Wikimedia Mobile: generic; (yuvipanda) [09:13:50] 03(mod) Redirected Mobile pages do not have rel='canonical' links - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34240 (10Yuvi Panda) [09:13:51] 03(mod) When saving a page normalize the page title first - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33627 (10Yuvi Panda) [09:14:02] 03(NEW) Suggestion to increase the standard value of $wgMaxShellMemory , or to show indication that the value needs to be increased manually after installation - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34241 normal; MediaWiki: Installation; (mail) [09:14:16] 03(mod) Suggestion to increase the standard value of $wgMaxShellMemory , or to show indication that the value needs to be increased manually after installation - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34241 normal->15enhancement (10T. Gries) [09:15:50] 03(mod) When saving a page normalize the page title first - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33627 +comment (10Yuvi Panda) [09:15:51] 03(mod) Redirected Mobile pages do not have rel='canonical' links - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34240 (10Yuvi Panda) [09:17:29] 03(mod) Suggestion: MW installer should detect availability of APC (or other) cache methods and automatically preset checkbox (propose) to enable them during installation - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34239 +comment (10Bawolff) [09:19:46] 03(mod) [SF] Special:RunQuery error takes down pages using it - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33424 (10contrafibularity) [09:21:15] 03(mod) Suggestion to increase the standard value of $wgMaxShellMemory , or to show indication that the value needs to be increased manually after installation - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34241 +comment (10Bawolff) [09:24:26] 03(mod) Disable SSLv2 on secure.wikimedia.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/29014 +comment (10Daniel Zahn) [09:27:55] 03gwicke * 10/trunk/extensions/VisualEditor/tests/parser/parserTests.js: Fix parserTests summary with filtering enabled [09:28:59] 03bawolff * 10/trunk/extensions/ShortUrl/ (ShortUrl.hooks.php SpecialShortUrl.php): Make extension not use global $wgOut where it can avoid it [09:38:04] 03hashar * 10/trunk/phase3/maintenance/rebuildFileCache.php: [09:38:04] rebuildFileCache now really disable debugToolbar [09:38:04] r110761 did not properly disabled the debug toolbar. It has to be [09:38:04] done before Setup.php (MWDebug uses a private static to track that [09:38:04] global variable). [09:38:05] really fix r110758 / r110762 [09:38:33] 03gwicke * 10/trunk/extensions/VisualEditor/modules/parser/pegTokenizer.pegjs.txt: External links don't nest. [09:38:47] New code comment: Hashar; Setting $wgDebugToolbar = false; was not disabling anything. Fixed with r110829.; [09:39:46] 03(mod) Redirected Mobile pages do not have rel='canonical' links - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34240 +comment (10Patrick Reilly) [09:40:11] 03maxsem * 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ (FileDeleteForm.php WikiPage.php): Follow-up r110750: move constants to a different class per CR [09:40:14] 03(NEW) blank page because of SFParserFunctions::loadScriptsForPopupForm - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34242 normal; MediaWiki extensions: SemanticForms; (contrafibularity) [09:41:11] 03hashar * 10/trunk/phase3/images/: svn ignore images/cache directory [09:41:17] New code comment: MaxSem; * Constants moved in r110831. \ * Function name was chosen by the almighty IRC cabal.; [09:43:57] 03(mod) Datatype quantity does not recognize comma - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/32661 +comment (10Edward Akerboom) [09:46:31] 03(NEW) [Regression] Can't navigate from Special:ListUsers/sysop to other groups - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34243 normal; MediaWiki: Special pages; (listenleser) [09:48:37] 03(mod) Wikimedia-hosted OpenStreetMap (OSM) / mapnik tileservers wanted for mobile usage - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33980 +comment (10Yuvi Panda) [09:50:05] 03(mod) noc.wikimedia.org should support HTTPS - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/23004 +comment (10Daniel Zahn) [09:58:43] 03(mod) Trunk CategoryTree doesn't list pages of sub categories - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33989 +comment (10Daniel Kinzler) [10:04:34] 03(mod) ShortUrl isn't protocol relative - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33551 +comment (10sam) [10:05:10] 03(mod) Trunk CategoryTree doesn't list pages of sub categories - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33989 +comment (10Bawolff) [10:12:12] 03hashar * 10/trunk/phase3/maintenance/Doxyfile: update Doxyfile default configuration [10:14:09] hiya, i'm trying to set up a new wiki, and keep hitting the config-no-uri error while configuring [10:15:01] wonder if i could hack something to the check to just let it understand the real uri [10:15:14] but i seem unable to find where it's being checked [10:15:18] anyone has a clue? [10:16:18] 03(FIXED) https svn.wikimedia.org missing viewvc capability - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31776 +comment (10Daniel Zahn) [10:18:24] 03(FIXED) No SSL for MobileFrontend m. domain: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/ does not respond - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31333 +comment (10Daniel Zahn) [10:19:22] buZz: if you're using cgi php you can try enabling cgi.fix_pathinfo [10:19:38] (I got that from a code comment around where the check is) [10:20:42] I don't really see any way around the check short of modifying the code. You should maybe file a bug (include details about what web server) [10:20:46] 03(VERIFIED) https svn.wikimedia.org missing viewvc capability - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31776 (10Antoine "hashar" Musso) [10:20:58] 03(FIXED) Secure https://en.wikipedia.org/ redirects to insecure http://en.m.wikipedia.org/ on mobile - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31334 +comment (10Daniel Zahn) [10:21:30] ah tnx bawolff [10:22:26] i run fastcgi :) [10:23:13] 03(mod) [Regression] Can't navigate from Special:ListUsers/sysop to other groups - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34243 +comment (10Bawolff) [10:24:14] 04(REOPENED) Secure https://en.wikipedia.org/ redirects to insecure http://en.m.wikipedia.org/ on mobile - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31334 +comment (10Daniel Zahn) [10:28:33] 03gwicke * 10/trunk/extensions/VisualEditor/ (5 files in 2 dirs): [10:28:33] Pluck a few low-hanging fruit in external link tokenization, and add a simple [10:28:33] localurl parser function implementation. 230 parser tests now passing. [10:30:03] New code comment: Bawolff; causes [[bugzilla:34243]] - the pager in Special:Listusers now uses the RequestContext to determine ; [10:30:28] 03(mod) [Regression] Can't navigate from Special:ListUsers/sysop to other groups - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34243 +comment (10bawolff+wn) [10:31:46] seet, works [10:31:48] +w [10:31:49] ty [10:34:49] 03hashar * 10/trunk/phase3/maintenance/Doxyfile: [10:34:49] Doxygen: show directories [10:34:49] The inline trees make it easier to browse the directory hierarchy. [10:42:32] 03(mod) Application should default to user/phone locale - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/32005 +comment (10yuvipanda) [10:46:56] 03(mod) Trunk CategoryTree doesn't list pages of sub categories - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33989 +comment (10daniel.kinzler) [11:03:02] New code comment: Schnark; It's not a bug, it's a feature: \ $("#cite_note-.C3.84-0") gets all elements with id [11:03:34] 03johnduhart * 10/trunk/phase3/includes/specials/SpecialListusers.php: [11:03:34] Fixes Bug 34243 - [Regression] Can't navigate from Special:ListUsers/sysop to other groups [11:03:34] Followup r97658 [11:04:05] 03(FIXED) [Regression] Can't navigate from Special:ListUsers/sysop to other groups - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34243 +comment (10John Du Hart) [11:31:53] 03(mod) noc.wikimedia.org should support HTTPS - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/23004 +comment (10billinghurst) [11:32:54] 03(mod) noc.wikimedia.org should support HTTPS - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/23004 +comment (10billinghurst) [11:33:39] 03(mod) Trunk CategoryTree doesn't list pages of sub categories - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33989 +comment (10Daniel Kinzler) [11:44:27] 14(WFM) Suggestion: MW installer should detect availability of APC (or other) cache methods and automatically preset checkbox (propose) to enable them during installation - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34239 +comment (10Chad H.) [11:50:44] 03hashar * 10/trunk/phase3/includes/DefaultSettings.php: comment about wgShowIPinHeader disabling file cache [11:50:56] 03(mod) noc.wikimedia.org should support HTTPS - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/23004 +comment (10dzahn) [11:51:02] New code comment: Hashar; Sure. added $wgShowIPinHeader comment with r110837; [11:53:32] 03gwicke * 10/trunk/extensions/VisualEditor/modules/parser/ (5 files): Clean up transform callback interface [12:04:50] 03(mod) Wikimedia-hosted OpenStreetMap (OSM) / mapnik tileservers wanted for mobile usage - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33980 +comment (10Aude) [12:17:44] so, apparently, someone here maintains a phase3 only repository? [12:26:04] 03gwicke * 10/trunk/extensions/VisualEditor/modules/parser/ext.core.ParserFunctions.js: Normalize the title in localurl. 232 tests passing. [12:29:05] 03(NEW) Transclude contemporary template states to page hisories? - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34244 enhancement; MediaWiki: Templates; (trevj) [12:30:41] 03reedy * 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesEn.php: [12:30:41] Omg HTTPS [12:30:41] Ping r110822 [12:30:58] 03(mod) Translation of project namespace and site-name for ta.wikiquote - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34009 (10Srikanth Logic) [12:31:00] 03(mod) Tamil Wiki projects (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/32578 (10Srikanth Logic) [12:35:17] New code comment: Reedy; I was going to ask if this was 1.18 compatible, but I just won't bother merging it to 1.18wmf1 unles; [12:41:17] 03reedy * 10/branches/wmf/1.18wmf1/extensions/ShortUrl/ (. ShortUrl.php SpecialShortUrl.php js/ext.shortUrl.js): MFT r110824, r110826 [12:42:52] 03(mod) Enable WebFonts on am.wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34235 15enhancement->normal; +i18n +shell (10Srikanth Logic) [12:45:19] 03(mod) Datatype quantity does not recognize comma - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/32661 +comment (10jeroen_dedauw) [12:46:03] New code comment: Reedy; It no worky :( \ See https://test.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page/test; [12:46:19] 03(mod) Stats for https:// prompts for authentication - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/32143 +comment (10Daniel Zahn) [12:49:47] New code comment: Bawolff; It is actually compatible with 1.18.1 (or at least should be, didn't test it on that version); [12:51:47] New code comment: Bawolff; Oh, I only made it work if someone explicitly set a url-relative $wgShortUrlPrefix. I guess i should; [12:55:33] hi guillom! got a moment to talk? [12:56:34] sumanah, can it wait a bit? I'm proofreading / copyediting the monthly report. [12:56:46] sure, no prob guillom! [12:57:00] sumanah, great, can I ping you in 15 min or so? [12:57:35] 03bawolff * 10/trunk/extensions/ShortUrl/ShortUrl.hooks.php: [12:57:35] (follow-up r110826) Switch getCanonicalUrl to getFullUrl in the default value for $wgShortUrlPrefix. [12:57:35] We want to use protocol relative urls as appropriate here. JS will de-relative it for user viewing so no caching issues with pretty user display. [12:57:47] New code comment: Bawolff; Should be fixed in r110842; [12:57:56] I actually just have ONE question to ask you: when you were doing training material reorganization/using raw materials elsewhere, did you create something somewhere that is like https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/How_to_become_a_MediaWiki_hacker/Workshop and is extensive and detailed like that? The answer is probably 'no' [12:58:21] guillom: and I am happy to help proofread that report after you are done, if you want! [12:58:51] sumanah, the answer is "no" indeed. Thanks for the offer on the report; I'll send the link to the engineering list shortly so everyone can proofread. [12:58:57] Nod. [13:02:35] 03(mod) Datatype quantity does not recognize comma - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/32661 +comment (10e.akerboom+bugzillamediawiki) [13:04:28] 03(mod) Enable WebFonts on am.wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34235 (10Siebrand) [13:04:38] guillom: another metric for the metrics box: 85 unique committers committed to our source code repo in Jan, which is an all-time high. [13:05:35] 03mah * 10/trunk/phase3/ (4 files in 4 dirs): w/s [13:05:39] sumanah, thanks; how can you track that metric? (for the report writing guide) [13:06:49] guillom: you mean, how do I find that number? http://www.ohloh.net/p/mediawiki and click the 'committers' option in the dropdown above the graph [13:07:04] Reedy: have you branched yet? [13:07:14] no [13:07:16] sumanah, thanks, yes [13:07:18] * hexmode goes to check [13:07:19] I didn't realise I was supposed to have [13:07:31] guillom: yw [13:08:38] Reedy: I don't think you were, but robla said we were going to today [13:08:49] so I was just checking [13:08:52] Ah [13:09:18] I was wondering if I'd missed something ;) [13:09:34] anyone tried to use RL modules in a greasemonkey script? [13:09:41] I have a small fix for parserfunctions in scripts w/o western digits [13:09:45] Reedy: could I get you to look at it? [13:10:30] Sure.. [13:10:36] Might need to get Amir or someone to test it [13:10:36] Bug 34193 - Add support for non-Arabic number systems [13:10:46] Even have a test wiki set up [13:10:56] http://winkyfrown.com/wiki [13:13:46] hexmode, your patch has the same thing twice in it [13:13:48] lol [13:14:13] yes, I didn't catch that before adding it [13:14:20] hrm... should update it [13:14:25] sorry 'bout that [13:14:42] I was just looking at it and was rather confused [13:15:04] 03maxsem * 10/trunk/extensions/GeoData/CoordinatesParserFunction.php: Added a check, exception message tweak, comment [13:16:32] hexmode, I'm not sure whether it should be using $wgContLang or $wgLang [13:16:46] hmm [13:17:04] given that this is wikitext, shouldn't it be contlang? [13:18:34] the other uses of a global use contlang [13:20:17] Reedy: augh! I see I've used lang. :( fixing [13:21:11] hey hexmode, what does w/s mean? [13:21:36] whitespace [13:21:43] aha [13:21:49] hexmode: how goes the FIXME nagging? [13:22:13] sumanah: I'm gonna get personal with it today [13:22:31] Platform sorted a chunk out last night :) [13:22:40] Reedy: great! I see that on the chart :D [13:22:56] hexmode: got it. Looks from https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki_roadmap/1.19/Revision_report like there are a few left from Nikerabbit, MaxSem [13:23:01] and johnduhart [13:23:07] sumanah, did you see that johnduhart had rewritten MobileFrontend? [13:23:08] and other people who aren't on IRC [13:23:27] Reedy: John told me, and I was like, "um, have you told preilly?" and he said he would [13:23:34] heh [13:23:45] but I need to walk my daughter to school now [13:23:48] Reedy: is it a good rewrite? [13:23:55] 03reedy * 10/branches/wmf/1.18wmf1/extensions/ShortUrl/ (. ShortUrl.hooks.php): Merge MFT r110842 [13:24:14] From the outset the change in total number lines of code is rather awesome [13:24:21] I've not actually tested/looked at it in detail [13:24:35] 03(mod) {{REVISIONUSER}} is blank with null edit - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/32948 +comment (10Krinkle) [13:24:55] 03(mod) {{REVISIONUSER}}, {{REVISIONTIMESTAMP}} etc. is blank with null edit - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/32948 summary (10Krinkle) [13:24:57] Was going to test it briefly in a bit [13:25:18] Reedy: I have a quick question for you [13:25:40] Reedy: for the Berlin hackathon, it will either be May 18-20 or June 1-3. Is there a weekend that works better for you? [13:25:56] 03(mod) {{REVISIONID}} and related magic words should not be after doing a null edit - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/32948 summary; +comment (10Krinkle) [13:26:07] Errrrrm [13:26:22] 03(mod) {{REVISIONID}} and related magic words should not be blank after doing a null edit - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/32948 summary (10Krinkle) [13:26:38] * mutante stands in line for a question for Reedy [13:27:39] mutante: same question for you! [13:27:46] and for anyone else who's going, actually [13:28:17] thedj: what weekend works better for you, for the Berlin hackathon? [13:29:28] hashar: ^^ for the Berlin hackathon, it will either be May 18-20 or June 1-3. Is there a weekend that works better for you? [13:29:40] sumanah, May would be better, but June isn't a problem if it ends up there [13:29:57] sumanah: I don't usually plan that far :D [13:30:03] ^ this [13:30:19] My "restrictions" are based on what other people are doing [13:30:20] MaxSem, varnent, preilly, petan, which weekend is better for you? [13:30:39] I remember Chad had a preference but I do not remember which! I think June [13:30:46] sumanah: so both are fine to me. [13:30:59] sumanah, no objections against either [13:31:07] got it [13:31:32] New code comment: Reedy; Looks good, had to purge the page for some reason, but it looks to work now. Thanks :); [13:32:34] sumanah, did you see Joans comment https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1450#c25 ? It's not something I conciously knew existed... but worth baring in mind/deciding on [13:32:40] mutante, what's up? :) [13:33:40] 03(mod) Adding options to Special:ListUsers (hide permanent and temporary blocks) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33545 +comment (10ashishmittal.mail) [13:35:30] sumanah, about that "number of committers" metric, is it possible to get it for a specific time frame? I can't seem to find how to get it for actual January, and not "the last 30 days". [13:35:52] guillom: huh, I am not sure [13:36:12] If not, I'll omit it from the January report, and include it in the next ones. [13:36:14] Hang on [13:36:18] guillom: you might leave it out, then [13:36:18] if it's not sciencey enough [13:36:21] you can play with the sliders [13:36:22] sumanah: hmm, hard to tell right now. mark me as "neutral" for now [13:36:26] mutante: ok [13:36:42] I can probaly do it [13:37:47] Reedy: you mean, in a general sense, how these URL schemes interact with each other, and ensuring nothing blows up or kills things? [13:38:00] or is just ugly unmaintainable cruft [13:38:11] Reedy: i'd like to use redirects.conf, but some time in the past i made changes to it, and it seemed like there was no effect. is it still active? [13:38:27] Reedy: which other step is needed after changing and saving it [13:39:24] SELECT count(*) FROM code_rev WHERE cr_repo_id=1 AND cr_timstamp >= 'somedatehere' GROUP BY cr_author ORDER by cr_author [13:40:22] SELECT count(*) FROM code_rev WHERE cr_repo_id=1 AND cr_timestamp >= 'start of jan'' AND cr_timestamp <= 'end of jan' GROUP BY cr_author ORDER by cr_author [13:41:20] 20120101000000 and 20120201000000 [13:42:10] Sam Reed, code review analytics expert [13:42:43] :D [13:43:17] ^demon ! for the Berlin hackathon, it will either be May 18-20 or June 1-3. Is there a weekend that works better for you? I think you told me and I did not remember, the more fool I [13:43:35] johnduhart: same question for you [13:43:48] SELECT count(DISTINCT cr_author) FROM code_rev WHERE cr_repo_id=1 AND cr_timestamp >= '20120101000000' AND cr_timestamp <= '20120201000000'; [13:43:48] 100 [13:44:00] sumanah: let me see [13:44:01] <^demon> sumanah: Neither :\ [13:44:12] I hear that as "one hundred combo!" Reedy, from Dance Dance Revolution [13:44:14] Thank you Reedy. [13:44:31] wow, that's a round number so it sounds fake :D [13:44:32] ^demon: we are never going to meet each other :/ [13:44:33] <^demon> sumanah: I used to be a DDR freak :p [13:44:38] <^demon> hashar: wm2012 :) [13:44:56] not going myself [13:45:00] lol [13:45:04] <^demon> Well phooey. [13:45:05] hashar, why not? [13:45:06] October all staff? [13:45:12] 03(mod) Adding options to Special:ListUsers (hide permanent and temporary blocks) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33545 +need-review +patch; +comment (10Bawolff) [13:47:17] sumanah: Either is fine, thouh may is perferrable for me [13:47:25] (Senior week starts June 4th) [13:47:42] I'm still contemplating driving to Berlin... [13:47:49] wat [13:47:57] guillom: the main reason is probably that I lack any idea to submit a paper / conference / whatever [13:48:19] Reedy: pfff I'm going to come over in a row boat [13:48:33] hashar, I can help you with that! Also, have you ever attended Wikimania? If not, you have priority. [13:48:40] guillom: overall Wikimania does not appeal to me that much [13:48:42] Indeed [13:48:45] Bah. [13:48:50] hashar: hey hey hey, I know someone who can help with that [13:48:50] ME [13:48:50] and guillom [13:48:50] and your other friends here [13:48:54] And most of the staff are closer [13:49:13] I prefer a small hackaton over a massive community meeting :D [13:49:39] guillom, was the wat to me? [13:49:41] Wikimania's awesome. It's like, all the nice things Wikimedia, *plus* the benefits of IRL (and beer, if you're into that sort of things). [13:49:48] so in the end up, I feel I would spoil the place of some other staffy who would really want to come [13:49:49] Reedy, yeah, over the driving thing [13:50:01] 887 miles [13:50:28] ARRGH [13:50:38] WHY DOES MY IRC CLIENT KEEP CLOSING WINDOWS!? [13:50:51] get a better client [13:50:58] Is it plugged to your Christmas tree? [13:51:00] I would if there were actually any [13:51:28] Reedy: I used Pirch98 [13:51:29] <^demon> guillom: With the blinking lights? Sounds seizure-inducing. [13:51:35] Reedy: I like Quassel [13:51:50] guillom, I think I can drive it in less time that you could train it... [13:52:00] Reedy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PIRCH [13:52:13] Reedy, right; It took me about 24 hours the last time I took the train from Toulouse to Berlin. [13:52:19] :D [13:52:30] I can drive it and get a nights sleep in less time then [13:53:44] Hello [13:53:56] hashar, hell yeah [13:54:04] My åäö in is wrong. How can I change them? [13:54:12] <guillom> Speaking of blinking, my brand new monitor flickers, and it's bugging me. [13:54:15] <Reedy> johnduhart, interesting [13:54:24] <Reedy> Up the refresh rate? [13:54:46] <hashar> get a Mac ? [13:54:51] <guillom> Yeah, I'll wait until I plug it to my desktop and see if it happens there [13:54:58] <guillom> hashar, tu sors -->[] [13:56:04] <Reedy> johnduhart, that looks like it fixes the multiple network issue and allowing multiple clients... [13:56:25] <Reedy> ie rather than having to run a proxy per network [13:56:42] <johnduhart> yup [13:56:48] <Reedy> mllie_, wrong in what way? [13:56:58] <mllie_> Reedy: I get an ? instead [13:57:03] <mllie_> Reedy: wrong encoding or something like tha [13:57:04] <mllie_> t [13:57:10] <Reedy> Where? In the URL? or the display title? [13:58:12] <mllie_> Reedy: solved.. :) yes in the display title [13:58:37] <Reedy> well that was easy ;) [13:59:09] <Reedy> johnduhart, I'll let you know later if I owe you a beer [13:59:25] <johnduhart> Reedy: Heh [14:02:39] <Emanoooo> hi peeps [14:02:48] <mutante> guillom: which OS? [14:02:49] <wikibugs_> 03(mod) User's last viewed language/page is not saved correctly - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/32920 +comment (10stagi.andrea) [14:02:54] <sumanah> hi Emanoooo [14:03:17] <Emanoooo> Hw u sumanah [14:03:29] <sumanah> I'm fine, Emanoooo. What's your question about MediaWiki? [14:03:29] <guillom> mutante, OpenSuSE w/ KDE. [14:04:39] <Reedy> mutante, re redirects.conf... I believe it's still used, but I think there might be a couple of copies about it... After editing you need to run possibly sync-apache and then do a graceful restart... [14:05:23] <mutante> guillom: xrandr -q on the commandline should show supported modes, and something like xrandr -s 1280x1024 -r 75 would change it, where "75" are the refresh rate in Hertz, i thought that might be too low, causing the flicker [14:05:55] <guillom> thanks :) [14:07:14] <mutante> Reedy: ok, thanks, i'll try again, i did sync and graceful last time though afair.. maybe got one of the copies then [14:07:22] <Reedy> Did you ask mark? [14:07:46] <mutante> not yet, i asked apergos and we saw you edited it last time:) [14:08:03] <Reedy> yeah, and I seem to recall hitting the same issue... [14:08:18] <Reedy> I know Ryan did something with it more recently [14:08:39] <mutante> ok, i will ask per list or so if i cant get it to work [14:08:45] <mutante> thx [14:10:31] <wikibugs_> 03(mod) Transclude contemporary template states to page histories? - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34244 summary; +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy)) [14:11:27] <preilly> Reedy: John rewrote MobileFrontend? [14:12:15] <sumanah> preilly: https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?path=%2Ftrunk%2Fextensions%2FMobileFrontend2&title=Special%3ACode%2FMediaWiki (psst johnduhart ...) [14:13:41] <codurr> 03reedy * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110846> 10/trunk/extensions/MobileFrontend2/MobileFrontend2_Detection.php: (log message trimmed) [14:13:41] <codurr> Fix strict errors [14:13:41] <codurr> Strict standards: Non-static method MobileFrontend2_Detection::disable() should [14:13:41] <codurr> not be called statically in [14:13:41] <codurr> /home/reedy/mediawiki/trunk/extensions/MobileFrontend2/MobileFrontend2_Detection.php [14:13:42] <codurr> on line 42 Call Stack: 0.0001 639984 1. {main}() [14:13:43] <codurr> /home/reedy/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/index.php:0 0.0001 640552 2. [14:14:02] <johnduhart> whoops [14:15:03] <preilly> johnduhart: why did you do this? [14:15:20] <sumanah> johnduhart: arthur (awjr) will be working in the near future to make MobileFrontend less WMF-specific, but he will be out of contact for another week I think [14:16:03] <codurr> New code comment: Reedy; Fatal error: Call to undefined method OutputPage::clearAllModules() in /home/reedy/mediawiki/trunk/e; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110772#c30551> [14:16:21] <johnduhart> Reedy: Known issue, there's a function I added that I'll commit for 1.20 [14:16:43] <Reedy> heh [14:17:11] <hashar> anyone know anything about the filerepo system? I would like to create a repo on my filesystem at /tmp/FOOBAR , put files in it and then destroy it. [14:17:26] <johnduhart> preilly: I did this because MF in it's current state is just, well, not that great. I (and some other developers) don't really like the way it's architeched and so I went ahead I redid it. [14:17:29] <hashar> and I have not found how to do that :-( so any tip / doc is welcome [14:17:36] <johnduhart> This version properly uses skins and makes use of resource loader. [14:17:52] <Reedy> hashar, chad/aaron? [14:17:59] <hashar> I guess [14:19:21] <preilly> johnduhart: hmm [14:20:29] <johnduhart> I have to go to gym so I'll be back later. [14:23:39] <codurr> 03raymond * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110847> 10/trunk/extensions/CodeReview/CodeReview.i18n.php: Fix another typo in r110783 [14:24:07] <codurr> 03jeroendedauw * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110848> 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/ (2 files in 2 dirs): fix bug 34178 [14:24:36] <wikibugs_> 03(FIXED) Special:SearchByProperty without exact matches does not display page names - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34178 +comment (10Jeroen De Dauw) [14:25:02] <x4FF3> hi all, i got a problem upgrading a mediawiki from vers. 1.13.3 to 1.18.1, when i execute "php update.php" i runs without any errros, but then i only get a blank page. [14:25:16] <x4FF3> i use the upgrading manual from mediawiki.prg [14:25:23] <x4FF3> *mediawiki.org [14:28:47] <xtuser> Hi [14:29:28] <xtuser> Is there any add-on or feature that allows mediawiki "if this page belongs to category 'foo', then do <something>" [14:30:14] <Reedy> !blankpage | x4FF3 [14:30:15] <mw-bot> x4FF3: A blank page or HTTP 500 error usually indicates a fatal PHP error. For information on debugging (including viewing errors), see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:How_to_debug>. [14:32:46] <wikibugs_> 03(mod) Suggestion to increase the standard value of $wgMaxShellMemory , or to show indication that the value needs to be increased manually after installation - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34241 +comment (10sam) [14:48:44] <hexmode> Reedy: I'm going to commit that rev w/ ContLang... sounds ok? [14:50:46] <sumanah> akshayagarwal: ok, so, you're aiming on responding to the bug reports and code review from santhosh ? [14:50:59] <sumanah> akshayagarwal: when do you think you might have that done? (regarding SignupAPI) [14:51:17] <Reedy> hexmode, I think so. Can you ping Amir about it too? [14:51:25] <hexmode> will do [14:51:57] <Reedy> Should be able to verify the output is right as a 2nd opinion [14:52:10] <sumanah> so, akshayagarwal, take a look at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Git/Conversion [14:52:44] <sumanah> akshayagarwal: the actual migration to git, for core and for extensions, won't happen till March https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Git/Conversion#March_2012 [14:53:06] <sumanah> akshayagarwal: Chad will be writing an update to wikitech-l about it this week, and I will be helping him to turn it into a blog post [14:53:24] <akshayagarwal> ok great, so till then the good old svn stays [14:53:34] <akshayagarwal> and we can commit as we used to? [14:53:35] <sumanah> akshayagarwal: if you already know git, great! If not, http://openhatch.org/missions/git will help you learn -- interactive tutorial; [14:53:47] <hexmode> Reedy: I've already verified output, but will check again just to be sure [14:53:50] <sumanah> akshayagarwal: nothing in the way people commit has changed since Aug 2011, if that is what you mean [14:53:52] <hexmode> and maybe for another lang [14:54:10] <codurr> 03hashar * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110849> 10/trunk/phase3/tests/phpunit/includes/filerepo/FileRepoTest.php: test FileRepo constructor [14:54:33] <Reedy> Yeah, I was just meaning a person who is familiar with the language [14:54:36] <sumanah> akshayagarwal: you might also be interested in skimming http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Roadmap [14:55:18] <sumanah> akshayagarwal: just out of curiosity [14:55:35] <Daniel_WMDE> Reedy: i'm trying to wrap my head around phpstorm. can you help me with a few basic questions? [14:55:36] <hexmode> Reedy: heh, I see tests of {{#time}} on my test install... I should add that [14:55:54] <akshayagarwal> sumanah: i will work my way to get my extension on that list [14:56:01] <sumanah> and akshayagarwal I know you've seen https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Writing_an_extension_for_deployment but I just wanted to remind you of it [14:56:16] <sumanah> akshayagarwal: the list of extensions in the deployment review queue, you mean? [14:56:27] <sumanah> akshayagarwal: oh you mean on the Roadmap! :D [14:56:28] <sumanah> awesome [14:56:40] <Reedy> Daniel_WMDE, sure, I can try [14:56:47] <codurr> New code comment: Jack Phoenix; <pre> \ - $this->dieUsage( 'Target user is not exists', 'nosuchuser' ); \ + $this->dieUsage( '; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110807#c30552> [14:57:27] <Reedy> hexmode, actually [14:57:32] <Daniel_WMDE> Reedy: well... how do i make php breakpoints work? phpstorm has injected itself into firefox, and i get js console output. but breakpoints are ignored [14:57:34] <akshayagarwal> sumanah: thanks for the links, I shall confirm with my keys if I have the right ones, in the right place [14:57:38] <Reedy> Shouldn't this wait for 1.20 as it's feature? [14:57:48] <sumanah> akshayagarwal: great, I updated https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Summer_of_Code_Past_Projects#Signup_API :-) [14:57:54] <hexmode> Reedy: ok I'll wait [14:58:06] * hexmode is disappointe [14:58:43] <sumanah> hexmode: and besides, isn't it FIXME nagging/patch review queue/etc time anyway? [14:59:04] <hexmode> sumanah: it *is* a tuesday ;) [14:59:10] <hexmode> so yes [14:59:12] <Reedy> Daniel_WMDE, can be dependant on xdebug.. [14:59:15] <Reedy> Daniel_WMDE, http://blog.jetbrains.com/webide/2011/02/zero-configuration-debugging-with-xdebug-and-phpstorm-2-0/ [14:59:38] <Daniel_WMDE> i have xdebug and phpstorm 3.0 [14:59:38] <tinot1983> hi @ all [14:59:40] <Daniel_WMDE> #hm... [14:59:44] <Daniel_WMDE> thanks for the link, will look [14:59:50] <sumanah> hi tinot1983 [14:59:52] <Reedy> I did get it working on a remote apache install [14:59:55] <Reedy> And it was rather nice [15:00:17] <akshayagarwal> sumanah: I will update the same with my status page once I have the TODO list there? [15:00:20] <sumanah> akshayagarwal: if you have any trouble with your ssh keys, https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Commit_access_requests#Updating.2Freplacing_your_SSH_key can help you [15:00:21] <Reedy> Daniel_WMDE, if you're still stuck, their support and bug/feature triage is pretty good [15:00:40] <sumanah> akshayagarwal: whatever makes sense to you, you can use your best judgment. I figure you could link to your TODO from that Past Projects status. [15:00:51] <Daniel_WMDE> Reedy: well, this is so basic, i want to make sure i'm not missing something silly first :) [15:01:28] <sumanah> hi SPQRobin! [15:01:42] <SPQRobin> hey sumanah [15:01:43] <tinot1983> i have a questio to mediawiki 1.18 i look for a wysiwyg editor fo r my wiki can me any wehre help?? [15:02:00] <Reedy> Daniel_WMDE, I still tend to do var_dump && die... Considering it supports pushing the code to a remote server via numerous methods it can still work... I should really use it [15:02:07] <Reedy> !wysiwyg [15:02:07] <mw-bot> What You See Is What You Get editors allow you to create articles and see the text formatting without needing to Show Preview. A list of wysiwyg editor extensions may be found at <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Category:WYSIWYG_extensions>. For some discussion, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/WYSIWYG_editor>. See also <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Usability>. [15:02:21] <akshayagarwal> sumanah: ok great, I have also taken this GSoC project as my final project for my graduation, that will give me another boost of motivation for working towards it [15:02:37] <sumanah> SPQRobin: can't remember whether you are a student or not... http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2012/02/google-summer-of-code-2012-is-on.html might interest you. And 16 Feb is the Wikimania scholarship deadline https://wikimania2012.wikimedia.org/wiki/Scholarships [15:02:42] <Reedy> Daniel_WMDE, useful thing to do also, is go through and disable any plugins you'll never use [15:02:51] <sumanah> akshayagarwal: good to know! what is the deadline for your final project, then? [15:03:13] <sumanah> tinot1983: see above, <mw-bot> What You See Is What You Get editors..... [15:03:25] <Daniel_WMDE> Reedy: guess i should do that. oh, btw... changing the theme to gtk+ helps a lot, i wasw suffering badly before that :) [15:03:35] <Reedy> heh [15:03:38] <akshayagarwal> It has a continous evaluation but the final submission is in May [15:03:49] <sumanah> akshayagarwal: nod [15:03:53] <Reedy> Daniel_WMDE, well, unless you want TFS, Preforce and CVS to go with your git and subversion support :D [15:04:08] <drdee> Daniel_WMDE: can I ask you a quick question about logic && C, or should i say logic || C ? :) [15:04:44] <Reedy> is it actually a c specific question? [15:05:09] <SPQRobin> sumanah: yes, I am a student, and Gerard talked with me about GSoC. I will likely participate in it, or otherwise he proposed I could work as an intern at WMF during the school vacation. [15:05:13] <akshayagarwal> sumanah: also, I have worked more towards learning good programming practices & advanced PHP more & more over all these months, that should also help me in working on my extension [15:05:35] <wikibugs_> 04(REOPENED) Suggestion: MW installer should detect availability of APC (or other) cache methods and automatically preset checkbox (propose) to enable them during installation - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34239 +comment (10T. Gries) [15:05:35] <sumanah> akshayagarwal: great! [15:05:44] <sumanah> SPQRobin: good to know! [15:05:47] <Daniel_WMDE> drdee: why me and not the channel in general? also, I don't know much about C :) [15:06:00] <Daniel_WMDE> i can try with logic, though [15:06:12] <drdee> i thought you knew your way around in C :) [15:06:26] <Daniel_WMDE> you thought wrong [15:06:33] <Daniel_WMDE> i fact, i have never programmed in c. [15:06:41] <Reedy> just keep trying till it compiles [15:06:45] <Daniel_WMDE> a bit of c++, but got away from that quickly [15:06:59] <Daniel_WMDE> Reedy: compiling is easy, the linker is a bitch :) [15:07:18] <drdee> i thought we made C jokes at the hackathon [15:07:39] <Reedy> Doesn't mean we use it ;) [15:07:48] <drdee> fair enough [15:07:52] <drdee> here we go [15:08:02] <drdee> this line: if(!strcmp(in->project,"m")) [15:08:20] <Daniel_WMDE> drdee: oh, hey diederik :) well, i can *read* C, so i know enough about it to make jokes :) [15:08:36] <drdee> is curious to me, so it compares two strings (in->project and "m" [15:08:49] <codurr> 03jeroendedauw * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110850> 10/trunk/extensions/EducationProgram/ (3 files in 2 dirs): added summary input to deletion dialog [15:08:59] <wikibugs_> 03(mod) Enable WebFonts on am.wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34235 normal->15enhancement (10Sam Reed (reedy)) [15:09:24] <drdee> strcmp returns an integer smaller than 0 when s1 it smaller than s2, 0 if they are equal and an integer >0 when s2 is larger than s1 [15:09:32] <wikibugs_> 03(mod) Rename emlwiki -> eglwiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34217 normal->15enhancement (10Sam Reed (reedy)) [15:09:43] <drdee> the ! is throwing me off [15:10:05] <tale> drdee: It means not. [15:10:14] <drdee> i know :) [15:10:16] <RoanKattouw> drdee: Booleans and integers are the same data type in C [15:10:20] <Daniel_WMDE> drdee: ! is the logical inverse. C doesn't have booleans, it uses ints for booleans. so you can logically invert an int [15:10:22] <RoanKattouw> So 0 is false and non-zero is true [15:10:24] <drdee> i want to know what the implciation is [15:10:31] <RoanKattouw> !foo is the same as foo == 0 [15:10:31] <mw-bot> Successfully added keyword: foo [15:10:34] <RoanKattouw> LOL [15:10:36] <RoanKattouw> !foo del [15:10:37] <mw-bot> Successfully removed keyword: foo [15:10:52] <drdee> I understand the syntax [15:11:07] <drdee> i want to know when this statement evaluates to true or false [15:11:15] <akshayagarwal> sumanah: also on the past projects page, you may wisht to mention that yuvipanda has now become a contractor as well, I guess that would go a long way in inspring this year's participants [15:11:16] <Daniel_WMDE> well, i think C guarantees that !0 is > 0, and that !x is 0 for any x != 0. [15:11:17] <Reedy> depends on the value of in->project [15:11:19] <RoanKattouw> So !strcmp(foo, bar) is the same as strcmp(foo, bar) == 0, which is true if foo and bar are equal [15:11:22] <Daniel_WMDE> not much beyond that though [15:11:26] <sumanah> akshayagarwal: go ahead & add it [15:12:02] <drdee> thanks roan, [15:12:09] <sumanah> hi chrismcmahon [15:12:16] <chrismcmahon> hi sumanah [15:12:19] <RoanKattouw> (The fact that it uses "not" for equality is a bit weird, yeah, but that's C for you) [15:12:53] <johnduhart> preilly: hi, back [15:13:33] <akshayagarwal> sumanah: yuvi works towards mobile extension primarily as a contractor? [15:14:02] <codurr> New code comment: Reedy; I thought we were not adding new stuff to be backed out of 1.19 when branched? Except for older comm; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110825#c30553> [15:14:13] <wikibugs_> 03(mod) Suggestion to increase the standard value of $wgMaxShellMemory , or to show indication that the value needs to be increased manually after installation - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34241 +comment (10mail) [15:14:16] <sumanah> akshayagarwal: He works on mobile stuff. What he primarily works on within mobile, I am not 100% sure. I think it's apps. [15:14:40] <sumanah> ok, akshayagarwal, I need to head off, I have a meeting. Thanks for checking in! [15:14:42] <Reedy> Android app mainly atm [15:16:02] <akshayagarwal> Reedy: ok, noted [15:17:01] * hashar gave up on filerepo [15:17:48] <wikibugs_> 14(WFM) Suggestion: MW installer should detect availability of APC (or other) cache methods and automatically preset checkbox (propose) to enable them during installation - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34239 +comment (10Chad H.) [15:17:58] <Reedy> haha [15:18:26] <hashar> seriously [15:19:05] <johnduhart> I like chad but come on [15:19:42] <hashar> We have detected the following cache system. PLease choose one: [15:19:46] <hashar> APC | Memcached [15:21:09] <Joan> Reedy: Will robots.txt be excluding /r/* pages? [15:22:28] <Reedy> nfi [15:22:30] <Reedy> probably [15:23:00] <johnduhart> hashar: The the cache question is after the "Ask me more questions" phase so in some cases the user never sees it, so it makse sense that a default should be selected [15:23:30] <wikibugs_> 03(mod) Add support for non-Arabic number systems - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34193 +comment (10Mark A. Hershberger) [15:23:42] <hashar> johnduhart: the default is "no cache" :D [15:23:57] <wikibugs_> 03(mod) Suggestion: MW installer should detect availability of APC (or other) cache methods and automatically preset checkbox (propose) to enable them during installation - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34239 +comment (10John Du Hart) [15:24:08] <hashar> johnduhart: but feel free to reopen it [15:25:02] <wikibugs_> 03(mod) Add support for non-Arabic number systems - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34193 +comment (10Mark A. Hershberger) [15:25:05] <wikibugs_> 04(REOPENED) Suggestion: MW installer should detect availability of APC (or other) cache methods and automatically preset checkbox (propose) to enable them during installation - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34239 (10John Du Hart) [15:25:22] <johnduhart> I'll assign it to me and I'll do it next month [15:25:28] <wikibugs_> 03(mod) Suggestion: MW installer should detect availability of APC (or other) cache methods and automatically preset checkbox (propose) to enable them during installation - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34239 +comment (10innocentkiller) [15:25:56] <wikibugs_> 03(mod) Add support for non-Arabic number systems - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34193 +comment (10mah) [15:28:26] <wikibugs_> 03(mod) Stress the importance of a cache during install - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34236 (10John Du Hart) [15:28:26] <wikibugs_> 03(mod) Suggestion: MW installer should detect availability of APC (or other) cache methods and automatically preset checkbox (propose) to enable them during installation - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34239 (10John Du Hart) [15:30:42] <wikibugs_> 03(NEW) unable to delete any page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34245 blocker; MediaWiki: Deleting; (benapetr) [15:32:25] <wikibugs_> 03(mod) Suggestion to increase the standard value of $wgMaxShellMemory , or to show indication that the value needs to be increased manually after installation - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34241 +comment (10bawolff+wn) [15:35:17] <codurr> New code comment: MaxSem; This thing should be in branches, not a separate extension.; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110772#c30554> [15:35:19] <wikibugs_> 03(mod) Installer should auto-select APC/XCache/etc if available - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34239 summary; +comment (10Chad H.) [15:37:04] <codurr> 03hashar * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110851> 10/USERINFO/vvv: [15:37:04] <codurr> vasilievvv as an alias for vvv [15:37:04] <codurr> changed by r110184 [15:37:46] <wikibugs_> 03(mod) unable to delete any page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34245 04BLOCKER->major (10Antoine "hashar" Musso) [15:38:02] <codurr> New code comment: Reedy; Like AFTv5?; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110772#c30555> [15:38:13] <wikibugs_> 03(FIXED) Please create a Marathi Wikisource - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33907 +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy)) [15:38:52] <wikibugs_> 14(WFM) unable to delete any page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34245 major->04BLOCKER; +comment (10John Du Hart) [15:38:57] <wikibugs_> 03(mod) [ClickTracking] Disable click-tracking when a do not track header is sent - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31778 +analytics (10Diederik van Liere) [15:39:11] <wikibugs_> 03(mod) unable to delete any page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34245 04BLOCKER->major (10John Du Hart) [15:39:24] <johnduhart> oops [15:39:43] <Reedy> We should close bug 1 as WFM [15:39:43] <hashar> ;) [15:39:48] <Reedy> There's enough documentation [15:39:55] <hashar> no way [15:39:59] <Reedy> ya wai [15:40:27] <hashar> let me open a bug report about how filerepo is lacking any user documentation :D [15:42:26] <wikibugs_> 03(mod) unable to delete any page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34245 +comment (10benapetr) [15:43:06] <wikibugs_> 03(mod) unable to delete any page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34245 (10Peter Bena) [15:43:35] <wikibugs_> 04(REOPENED) unable to delete any page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34245 +comment (10Peter Bena) [16:01:11] <wikibugs_> 03(mod) unable to delete any page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34245 +comment (10benapetr) [16:04:06] <wikibugs_> 03(mod) Prettify permalinks - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/16659 +comment (10Krinkle) [16:06:24] <wikibugs_> 03(mod) Prettify permalinks - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/16659 +comment (10Krinkle) [16:06:25] <wikibugs_> 03(mod) No way to get the page title of a deleted revision by its rev_id - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/23489 (10Krinkle) [16:06:56] <wikibugs_> 03(mod) Implement ability to get page title of a deleted revision by its rev_id (and use it!) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/23489 summary (10Krinkle) [16:09:53] <wikibugs_> 03(mod) Search&replace disabled in IE8, Opera - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/23992 +comment (10XP1) [16:19:06] <codurr> 03reedy * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110852> 10/trunk/extensions/SecurePoll/cli/wm-scripts/makeArbcomList.php: Correct path to cli.inc, noticed to be a live hack in php-1.18 on fenari [16:25:38] <chombium> hi, I have an old 1.11 wiki which I should upgrade to 1.17 or 1.18. It uses the RDF extension http://svn.wikimedia.org/svnroot/mediawiki/branches/REL1_17/extensions/Rdf I see that it's marked as obsolete. I found the rdfredland extension http://svn.wikimedia.org/svnroot/mediawiki/branches/REL1_17/extensions/RdfRedland/ which is marked as obsolete as well. Is there some mediawiki RDF extension which works good with 1.17 and 1.18 and is compatible with the f [16:26:38] <tale> chombium: Try to write shorter messages. Long messages are cut. [16:26:57] <tale> chombium: Last bit seen here is "compatible with the f" [16:27:04] <chombium> tale: thanls fpr the notice [16:27:16] <brownbiscuit> Hello. [16:27:38] <sumanah> hi brownbiscuit [16:27:57] <wikibugs_> 14(WFM) User's last viewed language/page is not saved correctly - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/32920 +comment (10Yuvi Panda) [16:27:57] <brownbiscuit> Do you guys mind if i ask some questions? [16:28:38] <brownbiscuit> So I'm in the process of making a wiki with others. [16:28:39] <brownbiscuit> http://cubeworldwiki.net/index.php/Main_Page [16:28:52] <brownbiscuit> and the logo is a bit messed. [16:28:53] <tale> !ask | brownbiscuit [16:28:53] <mw-bot> brownbiscuit: Hi, how can we help you? Just ask your question. [16:29:06] <chombium> I'm looking for a RDF extension which works on 1.17 and is compatible with the RDF extension by Evan Prodromou http://svn.wikimedia.org/svnroot/mediawiki/branches/REL1_17/extensions/Rdf Is there any? [16:29:26] <brownbiscuit> Any ideas on what the problem is with the logo? [16:29:32] <brownbiscuit> and how it can be resolved? [16:30:02] <tale> brownbiscuit: What *is* the problem you see in the logo? [16:30:07] <brownbiscuit> It's too big it seems. [16:30:22] <brownbiscuit> Like the space it takes up. [16:30:33] <brownbiscuit> It's pushing the main page to the right [16:30:36] <brownbiscuit> creating a gap [16:30:48] <tale> brownbiscuit: http://kb.siteground.com/article/How_to_change_my_MediaWiki_logo_image.html [16:31:03] <codurr> 03reedy * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110853> 10/branches/wmf/1.18wmf1/extensions/VisualEditor/VisualEditor.php: [16:31:03] <codurr> Committing numerous live hack changes on fenari to VisualEditor [16:31:03] <codurr> Don't seem ot have made it into trunk for some reason... [16:31:13] <Reedy> gwicke_away, ^ Should that also go into trunk? [16:32:45] <tale> brownbiscuit: I think you use a modified skin. That probably causes the issue you see, not the logo per se. [16:33:02] <brownbiscuit> I see. [16:34:07] <brownbiscuit> Thanks for the help tale. [16:34:15] <tale> brownbiscuit: Log in, change skin to Vector in preferences, and see what it looks like. [16:35:08] <codurr> 03reedy * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110854> 10/branches/wmf/1.18wmf1/extensions/SecurePoll/cli/wm-scripts/makeArbcomList.php: Commit of r110852 into 1.18wmf1 (where it actually came from originally) [16:36:17] <brownbiscuit> Thanks the the help [16:37:00] <aude> sumanah: http://govfresh.com/2012/02/motivating-developers-to-attend-and-make-meaningful-contributions-at-civic-hackathons/ [16:37:24] <codurr> 03reedy * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110855> 10/trunk/extensions/VisualEditor/ (. VisualEditor.php): Merge r110853 [16:37:52] <sumanah> aude: yep, that's the new conventional wisdon [16:37:55] <sumanah> wisdom* [16:38:16] <aude> :) [16:45:32] <codurr> New code comment: MaxSem; Unlike AFT, there are no plans of MF het deployment.; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110772#c30556> [16:49:20] <wikibugs_> 03(NEW) Special:Whatlinkshere does not show its summary message - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34246 normal; MediaWiki: Special pages; (duplicatebug) [16:49:38] <codurr> 03reedy * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110856> 10/trunk/phase3/ (4 files in 3 dirs): Merge r97508 changes to MessageCache.php and Skin.php into trunk [16:53:48] <codurr> New code comment: Johnduhart; It's a full rewrite of an extension. I don't want to develop in a branch and worry about backwards c; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110772#c30557> [16:59:41] <hexmode> Reedy: Seen bawolff's work on shorturl? bonus! [17:00:11] <Reedy> hexmode, it's already deployed on testwiki :p [17:00:19] <Reedy> (with the updates) [17:00:26] <hexmode> awesome :) [17:05:27] <Daniel_WMDE> Reedy: got phpstorm working with xdebug. had to set remote_enable and make myself a bookmerklet to start the debug session. works now. [17:05:31] <Daniel_WMDE> awesome, thanks :) [17:05:51] <Reedy> yay [17:06:23] <Reedy> We just need a nice way to share configs [17:07:41] <codurr> 03reedy * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110857> 10/trunk/extensions/WikimediaMaintenance/ (. addWiki.php jobs-loop.sh): [17:07:41] <codurr> Merge r109759, r106284 [17:07:41] <codurr> Fix whitespace [17:08:30] * johnduhart wonders why OpenSearchXml isn't in core [17:08:41] <Reedy> Why aren't numerous things? [17:13:20] <johnduhart> And the XML version has more info than the JSON one ffs [17:13:37] <RoanKattouw> Yeah, both are standardized formats [17:13:41] <RoanKattouw> Blame the standard writers [17:16:06] <johnduhart> grr [17:16:35] <Reedy> Go and write a new standard for writing standards [17:21:56] <hexmode> Daniel_WMDE: Thanks for looking at https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33989 [17:22:57] <Lcawte> RoanKattouw: Lot of effort for a 3 minute interview ^.^ [17:23:09] <RoanKattouw> Aye [17:23:39] <RoanKattouw> Especially considering that I didn't find out I had to print 332 of those pages until Saturday, and had to run around Brussels to find a copy shop [17:24:07] <Lcawte> Nice talk in San Francisco, I feel like I know how to use some of the API now :D [17:24:29] <RoanKattouw> heh, thankks [17:24:36] <Reedy> 781 revisions in 1.18wmf1 [17:24:37] <Reedy> bleugh [17:24:40] <RoanKattouw> Where are the videos? I haven't seen them [17:24:54] <Reedy> erik put them on commons [17:24:58] <RoanKattouw> (I also still have to watch the recording of our linux.conf.au presentation, it's been sitting in my browser forever) [17:25:01] <Lcawte> Uhh, they are on commons somewhere, I'll grab a lin [17:25:05] <Lcawte> link* [17:25:59] <Lcawte> RoanKattouw: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.science.linguistics.wikipedia.technical/58575 [17:26:25] <RoanKattouw> Thanks [17:26:42] <hexmode> johnduhart: Can you follow up on https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33989 ? Daniel_WMDE thinks your JQuery-ization of CategoryTree was incomplete [17:27:59] <wikibugs_> 03(mod) unable to delete any page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34245 (10Peter Bena) [17:27:59] <Lcawte> I probably should of already known something about the API being a pywikipedia developer, but meh... I do now [17:27:59] <wikibugs_> 03(mod) several bugs on deployment test site for 1.19 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33578 (10Peter Bena) [17:29:45] <wikibugs_> 03(mod) change the default Hebrew font - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/30437 +comment (10amir.aharoni) [17:34:43] <Julian__> I am building a private wiki. I already restricted the access to verified users and restricted the registration to email adress of my university. But after registration I can still change the email adress. What is the best method to prevent that? I thought of hooking the Sanitizer::validateEmail() function. [17:35:06] <wikibugs_> 03(NEW) Incorrect links sent in email followup - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34247 normal; MediaWiki extensions: LiquidThreads; (mah) [17:36:26] <Reedy> Julian__, customised AuthPlugin, override allowEmailChange [17:36:45] <Julian__> thanks I will look into that [17:37:47] <wikibugs_> 03(NEW) We need a new "IL-GLAM" list - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34248 normal; Wikimedia: Mailing lists; (wiki.tomer) [17:40:50] <Dantman> Reedy: Btw... on that topic of user tables and $wgSharedKey yesterday... Just so you know, when your user table gets leaked or your $wgSharedKey gets leaked and you have to change it you ALSO have to reset the entire user_token column or else one can use it to log into any account on the wiki. [17:43:20] <wikibugs_> 03(NEW) Disturbing lines/links coming Marathi WIkipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34249 normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (mvkulkarni23) [17:46:57] <wikibugs_> 03(mod) Disturbing lines/links coming Marathi WIkipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34249 +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy)) [17:47:27] <wikibugs_> 03(mod) words in place names in an RTL script appear in the wrong order on the maps - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34201 +comment (10aude.wiki) [17:48:04] <wikibugs_> 03(mod) Disturbing lines/links coming Marathi WIkipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34249 +comment (10sam) [17:50:01] <wikibugs_> 03(mod) words in place names in an RTL script appear in the wrong order on the maps - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34201 +comment (10amir.aharoni) [17:54:06] <wikibugs_> 03(mod) Disturbing lines/links coming Marathi WIkipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34249 +comment (10sam) [17:56:44] <codurr> 03hashar * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110858> 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ (3 files in 2 dirs): add up comment for FileCache rewrite (r98698) [17:56:51] <hashar> yeah one less revision [17:59:15] <wikibugs_> 14(INVALID) Disturbing lines/links coming Marathi WIkipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34249 +comment (10Max Semenik) [17:59:23] <MaxSem> Reedy, lolno^^^ [17:59:32] <johnduhart> hexmode: uhoh, looking [18:00:49] <hexmode> johnduhart: tyvm :) [18:01:56] <Reedy> MaxSem, I was hovering over marking it invalid [18:01:58] <Reedy> heh [18:02:10] <MaxSem> it was there since 2007 [18:02:40] <Reedy> lol [18:03:00] * MaxSem wonders how many more wikis are FUBARed hopelessly due to copying crap blindly from en: [18:03:16] <Reedy> more than 1 [18:04:57] <Romenig> Boa tarde a todos! [18:06:42] <Romenig> who was indicate me a good book for learn develop wiki? [18:07:22] <Romenig> who can show me a good book to develop wiki [18:07:37] <sumanah> hi Romenig [18:08:08] <Romenig> hi sumanah [18:08:11] <sumanah> Romenig: here is a list: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Books_about_MediaWiki and https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Wikinaut/Books/MediaWiki_Developer%27s_Guide [18:08:46] <Romenig> thank you Sumanah [18:09:00] <Romenig> i have a book but the version is so old [18:09:09] <Romenig> thank you i see this list now [18:15:34] <codurr> 03tparscal * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110859> 10/trunk/extensions/VisualEditor/ (8 files in 5 dirs): Reorganized demo and demo-ce into demos/es and demos/ce [18:16:32] <codurr> 03maxsem * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110860> 10/trunk/extensions/GeoData/ (5 files in 3 dirs): [18:16:32] <codurr> * Support for search overlapping the 180th meridian [18:16:32] <codurr> * Disables search on other globes for now due to lack of a use case [18:19:15] <wikibugs_> 03(mod) Implement a way to set user group permissions per namespace - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/29780 +comment (10Krinkle) [18:21:02] <wikibugs_> 14(INVALID) importScript, importScriptURI, and addPortletLink errors - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34147 +comment (10Krinkle) [18:27:05] <codurr> 03jeroendedauw * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110861> 10/trunk/extensions/EducationProgram/ (4 files in 3 dirs): some initial work on having proper logging of all actions with meta data such as comment and minor edit [18:27:57] <codurr> 03khorn * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110862> 10/branches/fundraising/deployment/payments_1.17/extensions/DonationInterface/globalcollect_gateway/forms/css/ (gc.cc.css gc.css): MFT r110737, r110800 [18:28:11] <wikibugs_> 03(mod) Installer should auto-select APC/XCache/etc if available - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34239 +comment (10mail) [18:29:04] <Ulfr> Hello all, I've taken some profiling data, and I'm not grasping what the data actually represents. Would someone mind directing me to where I can figure that out? [18:30:47] <Ulfr> I don't mean to sound soft, it's just that the column names are nonexistant or cryptic. [18:31:08] <sumanah> hi Ulfr [18:31:30] <Ulfr> hello sumanah :) [18:31:31] <sumanah> Ulfr: can you give an example, or point to the data in a pastebin? [18:32:28] <Ulfr> sumanah: http://pastebin.com/c6JfQW8S [18:32:29] <wikibugs_> 03(mod) Refactor mw.action.edit related JavaScript as dynamic ResourceLoader module - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33952 +comment (10Rob Lanphier) [18:32:32] <shantanoo> yuvipanda: around? [18:32:39] <yuvipanda> shantanoo: heya [18:32:54] <^demon> Ulfr: The easiest way to use that data is the profileinfo.php entry point. [18:32:59] <^demon> !wg EnableProfileInfo [18:32:59] <mw-bot> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgEnableProfileInfo [18:33:20] <shantanoo> yuvipanda: you are attending pune hackathon? [18:33:27] <yuvipanda> shantanoo: yes :) [18:33:32] <Ulfr> ^demon: the page you linked has been deleted. [18:33:39] <^demon> Pfft, who deleted that? [18:33:46] <Ulfr> ^demon: Thank you though, I'll get right on htat. [18:34:03] <shantanoo> any specific plans/tasks are finalized? [18:34:28] <wikibugs_> 03(mod) EditWarning should use $.fn.bind instead of window.onbeforeunload directly - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33566 (10Mark A. Hershberger) [18:34:30] <yuvipanda> shantanoo: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Pune_Hackathon_Feb_2012 [18:35:52] <Ulfr> ^demon: I'm afraid that I can't log the profiling information to the database backing my webserver, it's struggling as it is and it's a production site. [18:40:56] <Ulfr> I figured it out, thank you all :) [18:42:49] <wikibugs_> 04(REOPENED) importScript, importScriptURI, and addPortletLink errors - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34147 +comment (10Mark A. Hershberger) [18:43:32] <hexmode> aharoni: ping? [18:43:38] <shantanoo> yuvipanda: back hope i don't get disconnected again. [18:43:49] <yuvipanda> shantanoo: did you get my link? [18:44:02] <sumanah> chrismcmahon: when you have https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki_Canonical_Acceptance_Tests all filled out, you can delete those other 3 pages and just have them redirect, mwahahahaha! [18:44:08] <shantanoo> yuvipanda: yes. was going through http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Pune_Hackathon_Feb_2012/Topics [18:44:10] <sumanah> shantanoo: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Pune_Hackathon_Feb_2012 [18:44:19] <sumanah> shantanoo: what are you most interested in? [18:44:39] <steevithak> Is there an actively supported extension for adding meta tags to pages? I looked Extension:MetaTags but looks like support stopped with mw 1.12 [18:44:42] <sumanah> also shantanoo you may be interested in seeing some of the materials developed during the San Francisco hackathon, the tutorial videos & reference instructions [18:45:09] <sumanah> shantanoo: like https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Gadget_kitchen/Training and https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/API/Tutorial and https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/January_2012_San_Francisco_Hackathon/Mobile_tutorial [18:45:46] <shantanoo> sumanah: currently trying to write some scripts which will fix spelling errors, issues generated due to different input methods [18:45:47] <chrismcmahon> sumanah: for now I like having a very high-level, unscripted set of areas for testing, or "charters". I'd like to keep the scripted aspects in their own pages (at least for now). I have a use for those high-level charters, I might have some nice news here about that. [18:46:00] <wikibugs_> 03(mod) importScript, importScriptURI, and addPortletLink errors - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34147 +comment (10tparscal) [18:46:22] <sumanah> chrismcmahon: ok! Yeah I remember us talking about the charter idea back in December [18:46:55] <shantanoo> yuvipanda, sumanah is there any plan to have discussion with the non-technical wikipedia contributors and fix/resolve the issues raised by them during the hackathon? [18:47:19] <chrismcmahon> sumanah: so that page is "acceptance test" charters. I have some 1.19 deployment charters in the pipe also. [18:47:21] <sumanah> shantanoo: tell me an example of the sort of thing you are imagining [18:47:29] <wikibugs_> 03(FIXED) importScript, importScriptURI, and addPortletLink errors - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34147 +comment (10Krinkle) [18:48:18] <yuvipanda> shantanoo: i'm sorry but i've a flight to catch tomorrow early morning and so am off. [18:48:26] <yuvipanda> i'm going to pile you on sumanah for today and leave :) [18:48:31] <sumanah> no prob :) [18:48:33] <sumanah> enjoy, yuvipanda [18:48:44] <yuvipanda> sumanah: you too :) [18:48:44] <yuvipanda> gnite [18:49:05] <shantanoo> sumanah: check this https://skitch.com/shantanoo/g9xb8/ [18:49:31] <sumanah> shantanoo: for your reference: I will not be at the Pune hackathon. Attendees will include Alolita Sharma, Tomasz Finc, and several other people from the Wikimedia Foundation. [18:49:49] <wikibugs_> 03(mod) Sending multiple http status code headers kills fastcgi causing misery (and ugliness since RL does this) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/12124 +comment (10jukey) [18:50:02] <sumanah> shantanoo: I cannot tell what I am looking at, since I cannot read Devanagari script. [18:50:02] <codurr> New code comment: Nikerabbit; I don't see how that is related.; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/96546#c30558> [18:50:23] <shantanoo> sumanah: no problem. but it may be useful in future [18:50:25] <sumanah> I think you're talking about a screenshot and asking how to remove the "learn" link? [18:51:45] <shantanoo> sumanah: yes. [18:51:46] <sumanah> shantanoo: ok, so, it sounds like you are proposing a discussion within the Pune hackathon where nontechnical Wikimedia editors and users describe and show problems and issues they have encountered, and aid developers in fixing them, over the course of the weekend. Is that right? [18:51:54] <wikibugs_> 03(mod) importScript, importScriptURI, and addPortletLink errors - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34147 +comment (10mah) [18:52:22] <sumanah> shantanoo: right now, as you can see on the Pune hackathon page, "Hackers of all backgrounds are welcome at Wikimedia Hackathons and prior experience with the MediaWiki software is not required. Translators with a linguistic background who can help improve language support for Wikimedia technology projects are also needed." [18:52:37] <shantanoo> sumanah: i am trying to find out whether such discussion would be useful. if yes, is it planned? [18:53:16] <sumanah> shantanoo: all the current planned discussions/sessions/teams/etc. are listed at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Pune_Hackathon_Feb_2012/Topics [18:53:22] <sumanah> shantanoo: but it is a wiki and you can add your idea [18:53:42] <sumanah> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Pune_Hackathon_Feb_2012/Topics#Testing.2FQA might be a good place to add it [18:54:02] <codurr> New code comment: Aaron Schulz; Should be bug 33167.; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/96546#c30559> [18:54:05] <sumanah> shantanoo: "QA" stands for "quality assurance" which is a term that (roughly) means finding problems and ensuring they get fixed. [18:54:15] <Amgine> Sumanah: I believe both tfinc, yuvipanda will be unable to attend today's student standups mtg. [18:54:27] <sumanah> shantanoo: what you are talking about falls within the topic of "QA" or "testing". [18:54:42] <sumanah> shantanoo: can you add a sentence or paragraph on that Topics page to describe what you want? Thanks! [18:55:03] <sumanah> Amgine: :/ Ok, good to know. I believe they mentioned this problem (the February travel problem) when we were setting up the meeting schedule. [18:55:28] <Nurbek> Can you explain me, how works JobQueue functionality [18:55:29] <Nurbek> ? [18:55:43] <sumanah> Nurbek: have you already checked out the Job Queue page on mediawiki.org ? [18:55:45] <Amgine> Yep. At the time Brion was goin to be sitting in, Sumanah. [18:55:56] <Nurbek> no, write me link [18:56:07] <sumanah> Amgine: speak of the Brion and he appears! Hi brion [18:56:16] <brion> hey all [18:56:19] <sumanah> Nurbek: go to mediawiki.org and use the search box and type in "job queue" [18:56:20] <brion> running late, sorry [18:56:40] <Amgine> <pretends to be a conjurer> [18:56:45] <sumanah> Nurbek: in general, when you need to read documentation about MediaWiki, try looking on that site [18:56:47] <werdna> hey brion [18:56:56] <Nurbek> yes, I looked that.... [18:56:56] <aharoni> hexmode, hi [18:57:06] <Nurbek> sumanah: it works on windows? [18:57:16] <hexmode> aharoni: was just sending you email [18:57:21] <hexmode> but now I'll ask [18:57:24] <sumanah> Nurbek: yes, MediaWiki does run on Windows [18:57:44] <hexmode> aharoni: could you look at my patch on https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=34193 [18:57:46] <hexmode> ? [18:58:22] <Nurbek> sumanah: yes, I know, i'm working in windows... I just want add some functionality to run some time by cron... [18:58:33] <Nurbek> sumanah: how can I realize it? [18:58:46] <wikibugs_> 03(NEW) [beta project] Set up search - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34250 normal; Wikimedia Labs: Setup; (krinklemail) [18:59:24] <aharoni> yeah, i saw the review request. i'll try to do it now. [18:59:34] <hexmode> tyvm! [18:59:44] <sumanah> Nurbek: I think Reedy and MaxSem are the ones here who know a bit about Windows. Maybe they can help you learn if there's some specific way to do job queue stuff on Windows the way you want [19:00:03] <Nurbek> sumanah: thks [19:00:05] <Reedy> I don't run MW on windows [19:00:08] <wikibugs_> 03(NEW) [beta project] Configure beta-project's "commons.wikimedia" as DB file repository (instead of production commonswiki as API file repo) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34251 normal; Wikimedia Labs: Setup; (krinklemail) [19:00:13] <Reedy> You should be able to use scheduled tasks like you use cron [19:00:27] <Reedy> c:\path\to\php.exe C:\mediawiki\maintenance\runJobs.php [19:01:01] <Nurbek> Reedy: ok [19:02:12] <Nurbek> Reedy: it's related to JobQueue class? [19:02:29] <sumanah> Amgine: so the UCOSP meeting is in about 3.5 hours, right? [19:02:32] <Reedy> yes [19:02:41] <sumanah> Nurbek: btw, what city are you nearest? https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki_developer_meetings [19:02:50] <Amgine> Yep. [19:02:52] <Reedy> and the Job class [19:02:58] <Amgine> (sumanah) Yep [19:03:18] <Nurbek> sumanah: I'm in Bishkek, Kyrgyzstan.. [19:03:24] <Nurbek> central asia [19:03:28] <sumanah> Amgine: please ping me before that meeting starts so I can come. [19:03:36] <Amgine> Sumanah: I've begged/wheedled brion into doing some cat herding as well. [19:03:42] <sumanah> Amgine: thanks! [19:03:43] <Amgine> Will do. [19:03:51] <nitech> hi all [19:03:52] <sumanah> Nurbek: oh, I know someone who visited Bishkek and enjoyed it [19:04:07] <Nurbek> sumanah: really? [19:04:11] <sumanah> Nurbek: yes [19:04:16] <sumanah> (she visited for work) [19:04:20] <sumanah> hi nitech [19:04:32] <codurr> New code comment: Nikerabbit; So who should see it? You know I've already seen it.; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/96546#c30560> [19:04:34] <Nurbek> our land is touristic too [19:04:37] <nitech> i am new to add media wiki and just co svn and finding stuff to start [19:04:45] <wikibugs_> 03(NEW) [beta project] Delete broken (regression) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34252 blocker; Wikimedia Labs: Setup; (krinklemail) [19:04:49] <sumanah> coool, nitech! what are you most interested in? [19:05:14] <wikibugs_> 03(mod) [beta project] Delete broken (regression) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34252 +comment (10krinklemail) [19:05:29] <nitech> i find this link very useful http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/How_to_become_a_MediaWiki_hacker [19:05:57] <wikibugs_> 03(mod) [beta project] Delete broken (regression) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34252 +comment (10krinklemail) [19:06:08] <nitech> and every thing was fine unti i reached to annoying little bugs [19:06:10] <sumanah> nitech: I am very glad! guillom and I and several others worked hard on it. [19:06:16] <sumanah> nitech: ooooh :/ [19:06:39] <sumanah> nitech: tell us of your trouble. [19:07:14] <nitech> sumanah: i cannt find whether the bug is open or closed [19:07:17] <codurr> New code comment: Aaron Schulz; It's mostly there for reference (saw the bug # is on CR).; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/96546#c30561> [19:07:47] <sumanah> nitech: ok! good question. Let me show you around a little bit because our bug tracking system can be a little unintuitive [19:08:14] <sumanah> nitech: so, what's a bug that you are looking at? give me a bug # or a URL that starts with bugzilla.wikimedia.org [19:08:52] <nitech> sumanah: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=24720 [19:09:15] <sumanah> ok, nitech , thanks. So, the first thing to look at is the "Status" [19:09:16] <nitech> sumanah: i find this working fine on mu set up [19:09:22] <nitech> my* [19:09:29] <sumanah> nitech: you mean, the cursor does change to a hand? [19:09:36] <nitech> yes [19:09:54] <sumanah> nitech: ok! btw https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Bugzilla will have some of the information I am about to say [19:10:41] <sumanah> nitech: actually, look at https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/page.cgi?id=fields.html#status [19:10:52] * nitech viewing the link [19:11:49] <sumanah> nitech: Open (unsolved) defect reports have the NEW or UNCONFIRMED or CONFIRMED or ASSIGNED status [19:12:15] <sumanah> nitech: closed bugs, ones we believe are solved or otherwise no longer need to be dealt with, say their status is RESOLVED or VERIFIED [19:12:34] <sumanah> nitech: in this case, you are running a local wiki that is running current SVN trunk, right? including extensions? [19:12:40] <nitech> sumanah: and what about new :P [19:12:54] <wikibugs_> 03(mod) Ctrl+left/right to jump by word does not work properly - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33064 +comment (10tparscal) [19:13:07] <nitech> sumanah: yes running a local wiki [19:13:19] <sumanah> nitech: yes, NEW is missing from the autogenerated list there, I'll have to have our bugzilla admin fix that, thanks for noticing [19:13:34] <codurr> 03ialex * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110863> 10/trunk/extensions/ (16 files in 9 dirs): svn:eol-style native [19:14:20] <sumanah> nitech: in that case, probably, someone fixed this problem without knowing that there was a Bugzilla report about it. So, the proper thing to do is for you to make a comment on https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=24720 indicating that you can no longer reproduce the bug, and change the status of the bug to RESOLVED and choose the resolution WORKSFORME. [19:15:00] <sumanah> (nitech: I am guessing that someone was doing work on the extension and happened to fix the problem along the way.) [19:15:04] <sumanah> nitech: does that make sense? [19:15:18] <wikibugs_> 03(mod) Set $wgMathUseMathJax = true on Wikimedia wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31406 +comment (10brion) [19:15:24] <Reedy> That bug doesn't even make sense when read [19:15:48] <nitech> sumanah: ya true but must be marked a sresolved [19:15:51] <sumanah> Reedy: what do you mean? makse sense to me [19:15:58] <sumanah> nitech: do you have a bugzilla.wikimedia.org account? [19:16:02] <codurr> New code comment: Event; It is preferable to use "Størrelse" as standard and "Mål" as alias. \ And introduce "Post" as standa; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/108242#c30562> [19:16:07] <sumanah> nitech: if not, just create one and then you can mark it as resolved. [19:16:23] <nitech> sumanah: i created one [19:16:40] <Reedy> "I see the link's class is styled in css with "cursr:pointer", but it's not [19:16:41] <Reedy> working in my machine." [19:16:52] <Reedy> There is no links class [19:17:16] <Reedy> Theres no screenshot example, so you have no idea what he's actually looking at [19:17:20] <sumanah> Reedy: I saw it [19:17:29] <sumanah> Reedy: in any case, no matter, because it's fixed [19:17:38] <RoanKattouw> By "the link's class" they probably meant .foobar { cursor: pointer; } and <a class="foobar" href="...">..</a> [19:17:50] <sumanah> yeah, that [19:17:54] <Reedy> Was it actually tested on the reported browser version? [19:18:10] <shantanoo> !seen alolita [19:18:12] <Petanbot> alolita (~asharma@216.38.130.166) was last seen parting #mediawiki 5 days, 16 hours, 29 minutes ago stating "{}". [19:18:24] <Reedy> With visual stuff like this, WFM is a bit of a strange case, as we all know it varies browser to browser [19:18:25] <sumanah> nitech: so, go ahead and comment and mark the resolution. [19:18:31] <sumanah> shantanoo: Alolita is currently in transit. [19:18:44] <sumanah> shantanoo: I might be able to answer a question about Pune hackathon stuff if that's what you want to ask about. [19:18:58] <nitech> sumanah: i think i don't have permission to mark it as resolved [19:19:03] <sumanah> shantanoo: most of the people who are going to be at the Pune hackathon from the Wikimedia Foundation are going to be a bit hard to reach until then [19:19:27] <sumanah> nitech: hmm. private-message me your email address you used to create the bz account and I will see if I can give you privs [19:20:25] <sumanah> hexmode: do you have a moment? re Bugzilla admin maintenance stuff [19:20:43] <hexmode> sure [19:21:08] <sumanah> hexmode: I'm going to pm you an address. It's associated with a bz account. Can you give it the editbugs priv? [19:21:17] <hexmode> def [19:21:31] <sumanah> nitech: Mark is our "bugmeister" [19:21:40] <sumanah> ok, message sent [19:22:22] <sumanah> nitech: I figure it's best if you are the one who resolves the report in Bugzilla, since you're the one who actually verified that the bug can no longer be reproduced, so anyone who has a question can see that and contact you, reopen it and an email will be sent to you, etc. Make sense? [19:22:55] <hexmode> sumanah: I'm gonna make you admin in bz so you can do this if I'm not around, k? [19:23:12] <sumanah> ok, sounds good, hexmode [19:23:30] <sumanah> nitech: reload the bugzilla page and see if you can do it now [19:23:52] <sumanah> nitech: I fear you may have to log out and in again or something like that, hope not. [19:24:22] <nitech> sumanah: yeah now i can change [19:24:28] <sumanah> and hexmode once I am admin will I be able to alter https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/page.cgi?id=fields.html and customise it to our usage? [19:24:33] <wikibugs_> 03(mod) Ctrl+left/right to jump by word does not work properly - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33064 +comment (10tparscal) [19:24:35] <codurr> 03ialex * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110864> 10/trunk/phase3/includes/Revision.php: [19:24:35] <codurr> Select fields returned by Revision::selectPageFields() and call [19:24:35] <codurr> Title::newFromRow() instead of Title::makeTitle() in Revision::getTitle() so [19:24:35] <codurr> that it doesn't need a separate query to load the page id or the latest revision [19:24:35] <codurr> id. [19:24:46] <hexmode> sumanah: I think so, yeah [19:25:06] <sumanah> ok, thanks hexmode , just let me know when you have given me those permissions. [19:25:12] <hexmode> sumanah: you are now, looks like I may have accidentally removed admin privs before during the attack on bz [19:25:44] <sumanah> hexmode: no, I think I chose to remove them from myself for some "oh come on, I don't need these" reason [19:25:46] <sumanah> I was wrong [19:25:55] <jorm> https://github.com/joho/7XX-rfc [19:26:44] <sumanah> nitech: ok, so, now we know that bug is inapplicable so I have taken it off the list of Annoying Little Bugs. [19:26:58] <AaronSchulz> robla: http://www.google.no/patents/US5504900 [19:27:09] <AaronSchulz> ;) [19:27:12] <shantanoo> sumanah: oh. ok. so if there is small session, 'fixing/resolving bugs raised by non-technical contributors' during hackathon, will anyone from the tech team lead the discussion and get the issues/bugs resolved? if yes, can you suggest anyone? [19:27:45] <nitech> shantanoo: cool so i should start from the other little annoying bugs or you can suggest me some other good idea :P [19:28:03] <sumanah> shantanoo: have you ever been to an unconference? [19:28:06] <sumanah> this will help me answer you [19:28:40] <sumanah> nitech: I suggest that you start with the simple little extensions, create a Special Page to do something you want, or perhaps a Gadget https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Gadget_kitchen [19:29:08] <shantanoo> sumanah: i am not sure what exactly is unconference, so answer will be no :) [19:30:02] <sumanah> shantanoo: so, the Pune hackathon is meant to be somewhat organic and spontaneous. The organizers ensure that there are some experts there and ensure that there are some basic topics and schedule some tutorials, but for the most part, people who come to the event can choose to work on the topics they want to work on. [19:30:35] <wikibugs_> 03(mod) Ctrl+left/right to jump by word does not work properly - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33064 -need-review +reviewed (10Sumana Harihareswara) [19:32:55] <sumanah> shantanoo: therefore, you write suggestions for topics on that Topic wiki page, and then when everyone gets together, you canvass and lobby and suggest and get people to want to do what you want. :-) I think that Siebrand and the other localisation team people are especially interested in running a QA session so they will be easy to convince! [19:33:06] <wikibugs_> 03(mod) Ctrl+left/right to jump by word does not work properly - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33064 +comment (10tparscal) [19:33:59] <sumanah> ashish_d: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33064 [19:34:10] <sumanah> shantanoo: did you see my lines "so...." and "therefore...." ? [19:36:07] <wikibugs_> 03(NEW) Change site logo for lb.wiktionary - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34253 normal; Wikimedia: Site logos; (quentinv57) [19:36:10] <nitech> sumanah: gadget kitchen is quite cool seems good to strart [19:36:31] <wikibugs_> 03(mod) Change site logo for lb.wiktionary - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34253 (10Quentinv57) [19:36:59] <sumanah> thanks nitech! Erik Moeller worked a lot on that, and brion and I worked on the tutorial that goes along with it [19:37:04] <sumanah> and there are videos to watch if you want! [19:38:22] <nitech> sumanah: i downloaded some of wikimania [19:38:37] <sumanah> nitech: neat [19:38:55] <sumanah> nitech: you could come to this year's Wikimania - scholarship applications are open till 16 Feb [19:39:00] <codurr> 03bsitu * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110865> 10/trunk/extensions/ArticleCreationWorkflow/ (5 files in 2 dirs): Add hooks functions, update SpecialArticleCreatonLanding and modify the template [19:39:42] <AaronSchulz> raindrift: can you finish bug 33846? [19:39:52] <dren> is this the mediawiki help channel? [19:40:16] <RoanKattouw> Yes [19:40:48] <sumanah> nitech: btw what city are you nearest? [19:40:55] <dren> RoanKattouw: i've got a slight problem, i've got my mediawiki DB+user+pw but no files, is it possible to get the wiki going again? [19:40:59] <nitech> sumanah: can you please tell me more about this or provide some link [19:41:00] <wikibugs_> 03(mod) [beta project] Set up search - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34250 normal->15enhancement (10Sam Reed (reedy)) [19:41:00] <sumanah> nitech: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki_developer_meetings [19:41:09] <sumanah> nitech: sure! [19:41:10] <sumanah> https://wikimania2012.wikimedia.org/wiki/Scholarships [19:41:11] <wikibugs_> 03(mod) [beta project] Configure beta-project's "commons.wikimedia" as DB file repository (instead of production commonswiki as API file repo) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34251 normal->15enhancement (10Sam Reed (reedy)) [19:41:28] <wikibugs_> 03(mod) We need a new "IL-GLAM" list - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34248 normal->15enhancement (10Sam Reed (reedy)) [19:41:29] <nitech> sumanah: i am in delhi [19:41:54] <RoanKattouw> dren: Simply reinstall MediaWiki, and fill out the DB details for the existing DB. The installer will notice the existing installation and do the right thing automatically [19:42:05] <dren> I tried that and I get a blank page. [19:42:11] <RoanKattouw> (You may still want to back up your DB before you do this, though, just in case) [19:42:12] <shantanoo> sumanah: yes. [19:42:14] <RoanKattouw> Oh, that's probably a PHP error [19:42:16] <RoanKattouw> !blankpage [19:42:16] <mw-bot> A blank page or HTTP 500 error usually indicates a fatal PHP error. For information on debugging (including viewing errors), see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:How_to_debug>. [19:42:30] <sumanah> nitech: so, there's an event in Pune this weekend, and one in Chennai in March. I know there are some people at IIT Delhi who are hoping to get some kind of event happening on the 15th of February to learn more about MediaWiki development, but I do not know whether that is actually going to happen for sure. [19:42:35] <dren> thanks I'll try this again [19:43:07] <sumanah> nitech: also, are you by any chance a college or university or graduate student? [19:43:44] <nitech> sumanah: yeah [19:44:09] <sumanah> nitech: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Summer_of_Code_2012 [19:44:15] <shantanoo> sumanah: i think there is small misunderstanding regarding the expectations to and from the experts and participants. [19:44:29] <sumanah> nitech: we are hoping to participate this year, and have participated for the last several years. [19:44:42] <sumanah> shantanoo: yeah, that's very possible [19:45:11] <dren> RoanKattouw: I've gone ahead and tried those steps for php errors but nothing is showing up. that's always worked for me in the past with blank pages [19:45:20] <wikibugs_> 03(mod) Redirected Mobile pages do not have rel='canonical' links - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34240 +comment (10Brion Vibber) [19:45:23] <sumanah> shantanoo: The Friday tutorials will be very traditional, and people have to attend those. It will be a traditional format. But Saturday the unconference thing will be explained and people will have time to choose and create projects. [19:45:32] <codurr> New code comment: Aaron Schulz; I'm pretty sure there is a better way to do this using SpecialPage functions.; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110836#c30563> [19:45:33] <raindrift> AaronSchulz: i'll add it to my todo for tomorrow, which is my new code review (and deploy-blocker bug fixing) day. [19:45:41] <sumanah> shantanoo: but there will also be pre-made projects/topics for people who are more comfortable doing that. [19:46:19] <nitech> sumanah: so how is your experience [19:46:25] <nitech> :) [19:46:38] <shantanoo> sumanah: hmmm. so how are pre-made projects/topics decided? considering the experts and participants background? [19:46:41] <sumanah> nitech: you mean with our past Google Summer of Code students? We've done fairly ok. http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Summer_of_Code_Past_Projects [19:47:17] <sumanah> shantanoo: yes, Alolita, Tomasz, Siebrand, Erik, and I helped plan the seed topics considering who would be at the event. [19:47:48] <vikash23> hello....everybody...i am really interested in participating in gsoc this year.......i have gone through the ideas page...i will b glad if anyone of you could tell the level of php knowledge required to participate ??? [19:47:56] <codurr> 03bsitu * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110866> 10/branches/ArticleCreationWorkflow/phase3/ (docs/hooks.txt includes/Article.php): Adding a new hook - BeforeDisplayNoArticleText to core at /branches/ArticleCreationWorkflow [19:48:02] <sumanah> shantanoo: you have a strong interest in the QA and testing side of things, and that's great! go ahead and add to https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Pune_Hackathon_Feb_2012/Topics#Testing.2FQA [19:48:24] <sumanah> and then it will be one of the pre-made topics! :) [19:49:01] <sumanah> vikash23: well, tell us about your level of knowledge and we can tell you whether it's enough :-) [19:49:36] <nitech> sumanah: so gadget kitchen is a good place to start who are willing for gsoc [19:49:42] <wikibugs_> 03(mod) UI polish for full-screen search on mobile site - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34233 summary; +comment (10Brion Vibber) [19:49:58] <sumanah> nitech: I think it's a somewhat good place, yes. [19:50:32] <sumanah> nitech: you already looked at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Summer_of_Code_2012#Student_signup ? It has some suggestions. [19:50:50] <shantanoo> sumanah: the things i suggested are not mine. those were shared with me by the non-technical contributors over a period of time. i felt that they are not much comfortable with techies, i thought i could be able to be catalyst in the process of increasing their participation in the hackathon. [19:51:04] <sumanah> shantanoo: AHA, that changes everything! [19:51:08] <vikash23> sumanah, well i am a 3rd year computer science student, i know c,c++,java properly, but i have a very basic knowledge of php.....i have used php while working on few websites but not advanced php. [19:51:45] <sumanah> nitech: Gadget Kitchen is a good place to learn some stuff, and then after you've made a simple user script or 2, I suggest you take a look at some of the JS-related Annoying Little Bugs and see if you can fix one. [19:51:49] <wikibugs_> 03(mod) "Ordered" properties does not work as described. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31336 +comment (10van.de.bugger) [19:52:19] <nitech> sumanah:sounds cool [19:52:23] <wikibugs_> 03(mod) Gadgets stopped working on enwiki beta and commons beta - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34195 +comment (10mah) [19:52:37] <sumanah> vikash23: then you will have a much better chance of a successful GSoC application to MediaWiki if you learn more PHP. Alternatively, there are 150+ other GSoC-participating open source projects and some use C, C++, and Java [19:52:44] <nitech> sumanah: you participate in dsoc as mentor or a student [19:52:53] <nitech> gsoc* [19:52:58] <nitech> :P [19:52:59] <shantanoo> sumanah: check this bug - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=34249 [19:53:02] <sumanah> nitech: I am the organizational administrator for MediaWiki, so I manage the mentors, sort of [19:53:47] <sumanah> shantanoo: about how many participants for the Pune hackathon have you talked to about this? because it sounds like what you're saying is that these are nontechnical contributors who want to contribute in this way, which is great! but will they be at the event? have they already registered? [19:53:48] <nitech> sumanah: i had listen about gsoc earlier so i have bit idea about it [19:53:58] <sumanah> nitech: I'm https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Sumanah [19:54:07] <nitech> sumanah: so when i will be assigned mentor [19:54:18] <sumanah> nitech: you should read http://en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCStudentGuide/ [19:54:27] <shantanoo> sumanah: :). i am trying to get them participated in the event... [19:54:55] <sumanah> shantanoo: but registrations have closed! [19:55:04] <nitech> sumanah: i already viewed your profile :P [19:55:13] <sumanah> shantanoo: are they interested in participating perhaps over IRC? are they comfortable with IRC? [19:56:51] <sumanah> shantanoo: this might be a better fit for a separate event, then. A good idea for an event... [19:57:21] <sumanah> nitech: what makes you think that someone will assign you a mentor? :-) [19:57:56] <shantanoo> sumanah: non-tech people don't understand IRC. they are content developers, and quite senior (age and experience). imo, its better that tech people should try to fix the trivial issues instead of teaching them how to use IRC (even though understand and support that teaching collaboration using IRC is required). [19:58:01] <sumanah> nitech: the GSoC process works better if you start coming up with proposal ideas, sharing them in IRC and the mailing list, and see who speaks up and asks you questions -- they might be good mentors because they will be enthusiastic [19:58:15] <sumanah> shantanoo: this might be a better fit for a separate event, then. A good idea for an event... [19:58:55] <sumanah> shantanoo: ok! so, the only reason I brought up IRC is so that there could be some way to have them participate in the Pune hackathon even though they will not be there. Skype or Google Hangout might also be good ways to do that [19:59:10] <wikibugs_> 03(mod) Gadgets stopped working on enwiki beta and commons beta - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34195 (10Mark A. Hershberger) [19:59:12] <nitech> sumanah: is there any proposal listed from organisation side [19:59:25] <vikash23> sumanah: ok....thanks a lot......right now i m set up the xampp. will go through few more related pages and try to fix some bugs in few days. :-) [19:59:38] <wikibugs_> 03(mod) Gadgets stopped working on enwiki beta and commons beta - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34195 (10Mark A. Hershberger) [19:59:39] <sumanah> nitech: please read the Summer of Code 2012 page I linked you :-) [19:59:43] <sumanah> shantanoo: I am 1000% in favor of listening to the content developers! [20:00:23] <sumanah> shantanoo: otherwise we have no way of serving them properly! [20:00:42] <sumanah> shantanoo: the only question is how to arrange collaboration so it fits everyone's needs [20:00:49] <shantanoo> sumanah: its quite difficult to teach people above the age of 40...especially by the person who is younger by 10+ yrs [20:01:20] <sumanah> shantanoo: I have Indian parents and I know how the culture especially makes it difficult for younger people to teach older people.... [20:03:05] <sumanah> shantanoo: so, here is my proposal. Obviously you have a rapport with some of these content developers. Do you think it would be good to have a video conference call between some of the experienced developers and community liaisons, and a group that you gather in person? That way the content developers don't have to learn IRC, and there is still rich communication and an opportunity to learn from them about what problems they see [20:03:37] <shantanoo> sumanah: imo, the basic requirement for technical participant of hackhaton should be that 'participant should be able to install mediawiki by reading http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Installation_guide' [20:03:48] <sumanah> shantanoo: did you see my "so, here is my proposal" line? [20:04:02] <shantanoo> sumanah: no. [20:04:07] <sumanah> shantanoo: so, here is my proposal. Obviously you have a rapport with some of these content developers. Do you think it would be good to have a video conference call between some of the experienced developers and community liaisons, and a group that you gather in person? That way the content developers don't have to learn IRC, and there is still rich communication and an opportunity to learn from them about what problems they see [20:04:40] <sumanah> shantanoo: your proposed criterion for technical participants is unfair because it assumes that they have computers suitable for installing MediaWiki on, and also, the documentation is unfairly bad :/ [20:05:01] <sumanah> also, we want to reach out to people who have never touched Wikimedia technology before, to do outreach and training [20:05:19] <sumanah> vikash23: great! you might also like some of the tutorials and videos linked from https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/January_2012_San_Francisco_Hackathon [20:05:56] <sumanah> By the way, shantanoo, I realized I never properly introduced myself. I'm Sumana Harihareswara, volunteer development coordinator at the Wikimedia Foundation. [20:06:25] <sumanah> I live on the east coast of North America. And I'm https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Sumanah in case you ever want to get in touch later. [20:07:18] <sumanah> shantanoo: we have a new head of QA, chrismcmahon, who would also love to work with you since you are in contact with nontechnical Wikimedia contributors who need our assistance in fixing problems that they find. [20:08:06] <chrismcmahon> hi shantanoo [20:08:34] <vikash23> sumanah: thanks a lot....this site looks amazing. [20:08:58] <sumanah> vikash23: :D we worked hard on the content, and Heather Walls worked hard on the page design to make it all useful [20:09:09] <sumanah> glad it will be useful to you [20:10:33] <sumanah> vikash23: as you can see from https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki_developer_meetings there are also upcoming developers' meetups, hackathons, trainings, etc. in other cities [20:11:08] <vikash23> sumanah: yeah.....the first look at this site reflects the hard work done. [20:12:22] <sumanah> vikash23: :) but seriously, if your C, C++, and Java are stronger than your PHP, you may be happier considering another project. http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2011 gives you a list of participating projects from last year. [20:12:41] <shantanoo> sumanah: oh. great. [20:12:41] <sumanah> Many of them ask for Java or C or C++. [20:12:44] <shantanoo> hi chrismcmahon [20:13:29] <sumanah> chrismcmahon: shantanoo brought my attention to https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=34249 which is an internationalisation issue, among other things. [20:13:54] <sumanah> chrismcmahon: probably a little outreach from the i18n team and/or using the language support teams would have gone a long way here [20:14:25] <vikash23> sumanah: i would love to be a part of the chennai hackathon......only if it doesnt coincide with my college exams.... [20:16:35] <vikash23> sumanah: yeah...i have been going through a lot of organizations page ......and you people were among the first few to post the ideas list.......so i thought to have a look. [20:18:07] <sumanah> ok! [20:18:19] <vikash23> sumanah: still enough time is there for the submission of proposal......maybe i can learn php...:-) [20:19:04] <sumanah> vikash23: you will be happiest if you feel like you can make a strong contribution to the project you apply to. And that means that you should probably start from a position of strength in terms of your skills. [20:19:29] <codurr> 03raymond * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110867> 10/trunk/ (140 files in 37 dirs): Localisation updates for core and extension messages from translatewiki.net [20:21:33] <shantanoo> siebrand: ping :) [20:22:06] <sumanah> shantanoo: siebrand is also probably unavailable and in transit to India. [20:22:07] <vikash23> sumanah: ok....thanks a lot for the suggestion.. [20:22:17] <shantanoo> sumanah: oh. ok. [20:22:31] <sumanah> vikash23: glad to help. Maybe if you are still eligible next year you will have better PHP skills! [20:22:37] <nitech> sumanah: is there any chance of my selection in wikimania scholarship as i have not contributed yet [20:23:09] <sumanah> nitech: https://wikimania2012.wikimedia.org/wiki/Scholarships#Selection_Criteria_2012 and #wikimania can tell you more. I do not run that process (selection)..... [20:23:28] <sumanah> nitech: I see that "Future goals for participating in the Wikimedia movement" make up 35% of the weight [20:23:57] <vikash23> sumanah: ha ha.....surely i will learn more php and try to contribute next year. [20:24:05] <sumanah> :-) [20:24:24] <sumanah> vikash23: and this year, choose a project that suits your current strengths! [20:24:33] <sumanah> good luck [20:24:43] <sumanah> vikash23: http://en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCStudentGuide/ will help you [20:24:55] <codurr> 03foxtrott * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110868> 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/includes/SF_ParserFunctions.php: fix bug 34242 (blank page because of SFParserFunctions::loadScriptsForPopupForm) [20:25:01] <wikibugs_> 03(FIXED) blank page because of SFParserFunctions::loadScriptsForPopupForm - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34242 +comment (10f.trott) [20:27:12] <vikash23> sumanah: thanks !! [20:27:34] <Reedy> Ahhh Wikia. Confirming to me that I found a bug in their API [20:28:31] <Dantman> ;) 'all' you have is a bug? [20:28:44] <nitech> sumanah: i cann't find any place where all the bugs are listed [20:29:01] <Reedy> It shows a lovely varnish error [20:29:08] <Dantman> heh [20:29:09] <sumanah> nitech: you mean all 2000+ bugs that are currently known in MediaWiki and MediaWiki extensions? [20:29:13] <nitech> i can search them with keywords [20:29:51] <nitech> sumanah: yes but with some filters [20:30:04] <sumanah> nitech: if you would like to see all the bugs, you can click Advanced Search and sort of unselect everything except Products MediaWiki & MediaWiki Extensions, hit search, and go get a tea while it loads :) [20:30:21] <sumanah> nitech: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/query.cgi?format=advanced [20:30:28] <Dantman> Note to self... never EVER use --amend after you've already pushed or pulled a git commit somewhere else... [20:30:37] <Dantman> Even if you intend to use --force on the other end [20:30:57] <codurr> 03oren * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110869> 10/trunk/lucene-search-3/src/main/java/org/wikimedia/lsearch/ranks/Links.java: preped the javadocs comments [20:31:20] <sumanah> nitech: go to https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=saved-searches and you will see some useful filters that other people have created [20:34:13] <nitech> sumanah: i need to explore more and then come back [20:34:15] <nitech> :) [20:34:20] <sumanah> thanks nitech! [20:34:22] <sumanah> best of luck [20:34:26] <sumanah> glad to have you with us [20:35:28] <nitech> sumanah: thanks for your support :) [20:36:28] <Krenair> Reedy, any news on that bug I found? [20:38:19] <wikibugs_> 03(mod) blank page because of SFParserFunctions::loadScriptsForPopupForm - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34242 (10contrafibularity) [20:39:43] <codurr> 03oren * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110870> 10/trunk/lucene-search-3/src/main/java/org/wikimedia/lsearch/ranks/Links.java: changes IndexWriter xtor to conform to Lucene 3.0 API [20:47:50] <codurr> 03hashar * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110871> 10/trunk/phase3/includes/cache/FileCacheBase.php: [20:47:50] <codurr> simplify FileCacheBase::fetchText [20:47:50] <codurr> Implements a proposal by Tim on r98405 CR [20:49:11] <codurr> 03hashar * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110872> 10/trunk/phase3/skins/MonoBook.php: drop comment about a removed parameter [20:51:58] <Ulfr> Hello all, I was wondering if anyone knew how frequently one needed to update the localisation cache on a single language wiki [20:52:51] <Reedy> Most people don't bother [20:52:58] <Reedy> They just get the updates when we put new release out [20:53:03] <Reedy> Most point releases usually come with i18n updates [20:53:40] <Ulfr> Perfect. I just discovered that was murdering my databases, and not having to run it on a crontab sounds good [20:53:43] <hashar> !branch [20:53:43] <mw-bot> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Branch_points [20:55:46] <Ulfr> it's unbelieveable, changed one boolean in $wgLocalisationCacheConf and cut my db query average from 9.6 to 1.2 :) [20:55:50] <Ulfr> Reedy: Thanks! [20:56:18] <Reedy> WMF doesn't use mysql based localisationcache for a reason ;) [20:59:38] <mnemoc> hi, in a 1.16 with only two valid users but overrun by spam and bot accounts... is there any easy/bulk way to delete those pages and user accounts? [21:00:40] <Reedy> !nuke [21:00:40] <mw-bot> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Nuke [21:00:41] <Reedy> !spam [21:00:42] <mw-bot> For information about combating and handling spam in MediaWiki, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Combating_spam> and <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Anti-spam_features>. [21:01:11] <mnemoc> thank you :) [21:02:06] <hashar> can someone pleasetry its trunk wiki with: $wgUseFileCache = true; $wgUseGzip = true; [21:02:10] <hashar> output garbages to me [21:08:43] <wikibugs_> 03(NEW) FileCache + Gzip outputs garbage - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34254 normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (hashar) [21:08:51] <wikibugs_> 03(mod) FileCache + Gzip outputs garbage - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34254 normal->major (10Antoine "hashar" Musso) [21:09:22] <dbolser> hihi [21:12:22] <codurr> 03oren * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110873> 10/trunk/lucene-search-3/src/main/java/org/wikimedia/lsearch/ranks/Links.java: more changes to conform to Lucene 3.0 API [21:14:10] <wikibugs_> 03(mod) Review pending FileCache changes - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34057 +comment (10hashar) [21:14:47] <dbolser> anyone familiar with the status of the OpenID extension? I want to know if it's safe to update on MW version 1.17.0 [21:15:07] <dbolser> and I'd also like to know how to restict new users to openID authenticated only [21:17:22] <codurr> New code comment: Hashar; r110871 implements gzopen() + stream_get_contents(); <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/98405#c30564> [21:18:42] <dbolser> how come recapthca is hacked, but the default one isn't? [21:18:47] <dbolser> cracked rather [21:19:46] <wikibugs_> 03(mod) [SF] Special:RunQuery error takes down pages using it - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33424 +comment (10fastgoldfish) [21:22:37] <wikibugs_> 03(NEW) Filename not found - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34255 normal; MediaWiki: Search; (subfader) [21:23:11] <wikibugs_> 03(mod) FileCache + Gzip outputs garbage - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34254 +comment (10Aaron Schulz) [21:26:23] <mnemoc> Hi again, I just installed Nuke in my 1.16 running from the svn branch but either with Nuke from the 1.16 branch or from Trunk it's sql fails because I don't have a column called 'upload' somewhere... any idea what could I be missing? [21:27:09] <dbolser> mnemoc: run 'update db' script? [21:27:20] <dbolser> could be your schema isn't on 1.16 [21:27:49] <dbolser> gah... I need to lock down the site and keep it open... I miss the old days [21:27:50] <mnemoc> uh [21:28:13] <dbolser> mnemoc: you know that script you need to run when you update? It's safe to run whenever [21:28:19] <dbolser> could be it needs to do something [21:28:49] <mnemoc> i had no idea about such script... searching [21:28:50] <dbolser> or it could be that nuke needs it to do something... I'm not sure how universally it's applied, but I've seen extensions register jobs with the update script [21:29:56] * dbolser wonders if there is a shortcut to run the script through the web... [21:30:27] <wikibugs_> 03(mod) Gadgets stopped working on enwiki beta and commons beta - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34195 (10Mark A. Hershberger) [21:30:46] <codurr> 03aaron * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110874> 10/trunk/phase3/includes/Setup.php: Disable $wgDebugToolbar if file cache is turned on, as with $$wgShowIPinHeader [21:31:07] <AaronSchulz> robla: was the password thing resolved? [21:31:28] <robla> ah, yes, done [21:31:41] <dbolser> mnemoc: mw/maintenance/update.php [21:31:54] * robla took a few seconds to figure out what the "password thing" was....recovering Chris's password for him [21:32:23] <chrismcmahon> ah, I didn't get it either :) [21:32:49] <dbolser> what is the captcha of choice? [21:32:56] <dbolser> or is it spamblacklist? [21:34:48] <mnemoc> dbolser: thanks, just found it... I had to do some juggling to get a shell there... my account has only sftp access [21:34:55] <codurr> 03oren * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110875> 10/trunk/lucene-search-3/src/main/java/org/wikimedia/lsearch/search/MatchAllTitlesQuery.java: [21:34:55] <codurr> to conform to Lucene 2.9.4 API [21:34:55] <codurr> * Weight changed from Interface to Abstract [21:35:32] <dbolser> mnemoc: does the output look like it's making any changes? [21:36:26] <mnemoc> dbolser: now it's not even running because SpecialNuke::getUser() is undefined... I'll revert to the version in the 1.16 branch [21:37:16] <dbolser> yes, when in doubt try matching the branch of the extension to your mw branch [21:37:35] <alexander> Any experienced users available to chat, answer questions? [21:37:43] <dbolser> you should usually be able to go with the trunk extension... but not sure if that's true these days [21:37:56] <dbolser> Guest31054: just ask [21:38:18] <mnemoc> dbolser: same error :( ..... column "upload" does not exist [21:38:29] <dbolser> freakish [21:38:48] <dbolser> does the page for nuke give you a specific revision number to use with 1.16? [21:38:48] <Guest31054> Okay. I want to have a wiki that is essentially a database of open, collaborative novels. Since I want the original author to have control, should each novel have its own namespace? [21:39:00] <mnemoc> am I better off upgrading the installation? [21:39:03] <mnemoc> 1m [21:39:09] <dbolser> Guest31054: not really somethign MW is good at [21:39:23] <mnemoc> dbolser: says v1.1.1+ [21:39:28] <dbolser> mnemoc: from 16 to 17 I guess... I don't know much about 18... [21:39:31] <Guest31054> So should they each be their own category then? [21:39:40] <dbolser> I'm afraid if I go to 18, my site will die... [21:40:00] <dbolser> Guest31054: you can't have controll per page easily with MW is what I mean, the database is totally doable [21:40:04] <mnemoc> but from 16 to 17 should be safe? [21:40:18] <dbolser> mnemoc: please backup everything first... [21:40:39] <dbolser> Guest31054: see my superslick database SEQwiki.com [21:41:23] <Guest31054> Okay, thank you. Would anyone with a bit of spare time mind reading this and advising me? http://stackoverflow.com/questions/9177631/collaborative-choose-your-own-adventure-system-how-do-i-build-it I amcompletely lost, and don't know where to start. [21:41:51] <dbolser> hehe... I wanted to do that once [21:42:42] <^demon|away> I always cheated at CYOA books. [21:42:49] <^demon|away> I'd totally flip back if I didn't like my choice. [21:43:10] <Guest31054> I'm not sure how to go about getting the second page to reference the previous page as predecessor. I don't want weird long subpage paths. Are Semantic queries the way to go? [21:43:45] <dbolser> Guest31054: you can do that with SMW, but it's hard to learn [21:44:13] <dbolser> Guest31054: Yaron may be around to help you build it, he's very helpfull when he has time. [21:44:40] <Yaron> Hi - thanks. [21:44:51] <dbolser> Yaron: thank you! [21:44:52] <Yaron> Oh, yes, I know this one. :) [21:44:54] <Guest31054> I wish there was some good documentation or examples. I've spoken to Yaron on Semantic Forms Talk page. He gave me a few pointers, but it was mostly alien speak. [21:45:05] <Guest31054> Hi yaron! [21:45:12] <Yaron> Hi again. [21:45:17] <Guest31054> I am very inexperienced. [21:45:26] <Yaron> The better place to talk about this stuff would be on the #semantic-mediawiki channel... [21:45:44] <Guest31054> Ah okay. it was dead a minute ago. [21:46:04] <dbolser> Guest31054: use the opportunity of your inexperience to write a beginners guide to SMW/SF plz ;-) [21:46:14] <Guest31054> I [21:46:15] <dbolser> once you learn it, you'll be like... meh, I'll write it later [21:46:28] <Guest31054> ll get right on that, after I learn it [21:46:32] <dbolser> ;-) [21:47:45] <Guest31054> Yaron, did you have a moment, did you want to go to the other channel, or are you busy? [21:48:06] <Yaron> Guest31054 - sure, I can probably help you out. [21:48:09] <dbolser> Guest31054: type /join #semantic-mediawiki to talk to Yaron [21:48:24] <Yaron> ...or to anyone else on the channel, for that matter. [21:48:38] <dbolser> right [21:51:30] <codurr> 03maxsem * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110876> 10/branches/MobileFrontend-API/MobileFrontend.body.php: Fix for localhost [21:53:37] <dbolser> if anyone sees Wikinaut, get him to email me :-) [21:53:48] <dbolser> facefacefacefacefaceface@gmail.com [21:53:50] <dbolser> night [21:54:44] <wikibugs_> 03(mod) history (from June 2002, till january 2004) looks lost in Oriya Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34205 +comment (10brion) [21:54:47] <AaronSchulz> Nikerabbit: could LogFormatter be modified to make getActionMessage() public? [21:56:09] <AaronSchulz> though it would need plain & parsed forms [21:56:41] <codurr> 03oren * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110877> 10/trunk/lucene-search-3/src/main/java/org/wikimedia/lsearch/search/CachedSearchable.java: [21:56:41] <codurr> to conform to Lucene 2.9.4 API: [21:56:41] <codurr> added the method required by an api signature change [21:57:30] <wikibugs_> 03(mod) Switch CR to use LQT - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/26045 (10Sam Reed (reedy)) [22:00:33] <wikibugs_> 03(mod) Filename not found - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34255 +comment (10brion) [22:00:55] <codurr> 03diederik * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110878> 10/trunk/webstatscollector/filter.c: Updated IP blocks that should be filtered due to duplicate squid requests. [22:00:57] <bawolff> hexmode: you around? [22:01:12] <hexmode> bawolff: yes, sup? [22:01:27] <bawolff> do you still have access to wikinews's google webmaster tools? [22:02:15] <codurr> 03inez * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110879> 10/trunk/extensions/VisualEditor/ (demos/ce/main.js modules/ve/ce/ve.es.Content.js): Cleanup ve.es.Content.js for ContentEditable and setup toolbar as empty (as there is no working functionality for now) [22:02:43] <hexmode> bawolff: I think so, what do you need? [22:02:47] <bawolff> In theory google will write on the webmaster tools any time it doesn't syndicate an article onto google news. Some people on wikinews were wondering why https://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Santorum_neologism_gains_prominence_during_US_election_cycle didn't end up on google news [22:03:13] <hexmode> k, let me see if I can find anything [22:03:42] <codurr> 03inez * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110880> 10/trunk/extensions/VisualEditor/modules/ve/ce/styles/ (images/ images/bullet-icon.png ve.es.Content.css): Added missing CSS and PNG so ce demo does not complain anymore. [22:03:49] <bawolff> (for reference the relavent thread at wikinews is https://en.wikinews.org/wiki/User_talk:Bawolff#Caching) [22:06:29] <codurr> 03oren * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110881> 10/trunk/lucene-search-3/src/main/java/org/wikimedia/lsearch/search/WikiSearcher.java: [22:06:29] <codurr> added unimplemented method required to conform to Lucene 2.9.4 API [22:06:29] <codurr> and deprecated to old one [22:09:58] <wikibugs_> 03(NEW) bits.wm.o loading issues from Pakistan - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34256 normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (sam) [22:12:08] <BobTheWikipedian> any tech gurus here? [22:12:56] <Yaron> BobTheWikipedia - there are 254 people here. [22:13:06] <Yaron> BobTheWikipedian, that is. [22:13:16] <BobTheWikipedian> i'm trying to implement collapsible navboxes at grimm.wikia.com [22:13:44] <BobTheWikipedian> modified mediwiki:common.css and mediawiki:common.js, but can't tell it's been effective [22:14:04] <BobTheWikipedian> and i've already tried multiple cache resets [22:14:07] <Lcawte> Well, you should see collapsible navboxes if it has worked... [22:14:27] <BobTheWikipedian> http://grimm.wikia.com/wiki/User:Bob_the_Wikipedian/Sandbox [22:14:39] <hexmode> bawolff: I have a csv of crawl errors ... checking [22:14:40] <BobTheWikipedian> the content posted on that page works perfectly at wikipedia [22:14:57] <Lcawte> (no, its not working) [22:15:09] <codurr> 03christian * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110882> 10/trunk/extensions/VisualEditor/ (cut-copy-paste.html cut-copy-paste.js): test page for copy and paste support [22:15:15] <Lcawte> Wikipedia uses JavaScript added to the core MW code, which I don't think is in 1.16 [22:15:37] <codurr> 03cmcmahon * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110883> 10/USERINFO/cmcmahon: Adding my USERINFO file [22:15:57] <bawolff> BobTheWikipedian: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Collapsible_elements [22:16:06] <BobTheWikipedian> thanks i'll have a look [22:16:58] <wikibugs_> 03(mod) bits.wm.o loading issues from Pakistan - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34256 +comment (10sam) [22:17:24] <hexmode> bawolff: should I send this to your post this somewhere for you to look at? I don't see any crawl errors for that URL but maybe I'm missing something [22:17:29] <Lcawte> BobTheWikipedian: or if for some reason it doesn't work, http://dev.wikia.com/wiki/ShowHide [22:17:46] <BobTheWikipedian> okay thanks [22:17:53] <bawolff> hexmode: Sure, feel free to email it to me ( bawolff _at_ gmail dot com ) [22:18:08] <BobTheWikipedian> i'll try those and if they don't work i may be back another day :) [22:19:19] <Lcawte> Hmm, maybe Wikia should wait until 1.19 to upgrade lol... at this rate they might as well [22:19:31] <Reedy> are they moving for 1.18 now? [22:19:43] <Reedy> though, they moved to 1.16 when 1.17 was almost due [22:20:21] <Lcawte> Last time I spoke to TOR, they were, but that was probably just before Christmas [22:21:45] <codurr> 03oren * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110884> 10/trunk/lucene-search-3/src/main/java/org/apache/lucene/search/CustomBoostQuery.java: [22:21:45] <codurr> added unimplemented method required to conform to Lucene 2.9.4 API [22:21:45] <codurr> and deprecated to old one [22:22:04] <hexmode> bawolff: manually submitted the URL, but I think that just covers google search.... [22:22:05] <johnduhart> Yeah they were talking it at a wikimedia-wikia meeting in last september but it seems silly noq [22:22:27] <johnduhart> But they have so much shit code to update it's really not possible [22:22:35] <codurr> 03aaron * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110885> 10/trunk/phase3/includes/logging/LogEntry.php: Made LogEntry::getPerformer() not fail miserable if we got the LogEntry via newFromRow() on just a logging table row. Previously, the current user IP would show. [22:22:43] <johnduhart> They'll always be behind probably [22:22:44] <codurr> 03christian * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110886> 10/trunk/extensions/VisualEditor/cut-copy-paste.js: ie paste support [22:22:53] <codurr> 03inez * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110887> 10/trunk/extensions/VisualEditor/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Make paragraphs in content editable use real <p> tags [22:23:16] <bawolff> hexmode: don't worry too much about it, I was more asking from a prespective of, if its easy to find out great, otherwise it doesn't really matter [22:24:20] <hexmode> bawolff: sent from webmaster@... [22:24:35] <hexmode> 'cause I can [22:24:44] * hexmode has an inflated sense of power [22:24:58] * bawolff has not got it yet... [22:26:10] <wikibugs_> 03(mod) Filename not found - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34255 +comment (10subfader) [22:26:26] <p858snake|l> Reedy: Wait, debian might be on 1.19 before wikia? lol [22:26:37] <bawolff> hexmode: got it. thanks :) [22:28:28] <codurr> 03oren * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110888> 10/trunk/lucene-search-3/src/main/java/org/apache/lucene/search/PositionalMultiQuery.java: added unimplemented method required to conform to Lucene 2.9.4 API [22:33:50] <wikibugs_> 03(mod) n-ary property values cannot contain semicolons - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/15732 (10contrafibularity) [22:35:08] <codurr> 03maxsem * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110889> 10/trunk/extensions/MobileFrontend/MobileFrontend.body.php: Avoid extra DOM parse when we already have a document. Includes r110876 [22:42:22] <codurr> 03maxsem * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110890> 10/trunk/extensions/MobileFrontend/MobileFrontend.body.php: Follow-up r110889: fix comment [22:43:52] <TeamAnonymix> Hey could somebody help me out on a mediawiki install? [22:44:11] <TeamAnonymix> i' getting this odd behavior where i just get a blank page whenever i try to go to my site [22:48:29] <Yaron> !blank | TeamAnonymix [22:48:29] <mw-bot> TeamAnonymix: A blank page or HTTP 500 error usually indicates a fatal PHP error. For information on debugging (including viewing errors), see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:How_to_debug>. [22:50:19] <TeamAnonymix> hmm interesting [22:50:34] <TeamAnonymix> i don't seem to have a localsettings.php cause the installer hasn't run yet [22:53:34] <codurr> 03oren * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110891> 10/trunk/lucene-search-3/src/main/java/org/apache/lucene/search/ (PositionalMultiQuery.java RelevanceQuery.java): added unimplemented method required to conform to Lucene 2.9.4 API [22:55:03] <TeamAnonymix> oh wait, apparently it was a firewall issue on my end. everything is awesome again. [22:59:36] <codurr> 03inez * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110892> 10/trunk/extensions/VisualEditor/ (demos/ce/main.js modules/ve/ce/ve.es.Surface.js): Cleanup Surface.js - only functionality that is needed for content editable [23:00:19] <johnduhart> hexmode: You need to update your email template [23:00:52] <hexmode> johnduhart: thanks for the reminder... sorry about the old bit :( [23:00:59] <johnduhart> Heh it's okay [23:03:59] <hexmode> johnduhart: I know we've asked you to do a lot lately, but what is status of those two fixmes? [23:05:58] <johnduhart> First one (MF2) is nothing to worry about as it blocks nothing, it's waiting on a function that will be added when we go 1.20 on trunk [23:06:43] <johnduhart> Second one I think we're still waiting on Roan. Still. [23:06:51] <johnduhart> Reedy: Did he reply to the email? [23:06:59] <Reedy> No [23:07:04] <johnduhart> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/98500#c30435 [23:07:06] <Reedy> I hoped he'd comment on the damned bug [23:07:09] <Reedy> *revision [23:07:11] <johnduhart> ugh [23:12:14] <hexmode> Reedy: johnduhart: I'll ask him to tomorrow [23:12:23] <codurr> 03aaron * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110893> 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ (logging/LogFormatter.php revisiondelete/RevisionDelete.php): [23:12:23] <codurr> In LogFormatter: [23:12:23] <codurr> * Changed LogFormatter to support displaying redacting log items if the context user can see them. The default mode is still "show only public items". [23:12:23] <codurr> * Fixed static calls to non-static getRestrictedElement() function. [23:12:23] <codurr> * Cleaned up LogFormatter that build up vars only to then throw them away and replace them with rev-deleted placeholders. [23:12:24] <codurr> In RevDel_LogItem: [23:12:25] <codurr> * Use LogFormatter instead of raw LogPage::actionText call as such calls are broken and just displayed things like the string "move" (the log action name) instead of "x moved a to b: reason" and such. Fixes r96546. [23:12:25] <hexmode> its his 20% day [23:12:33] <jeremyb> this wiki is a mess [23:13:02] <codurr> 03werdna * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110894> 10/trunk/extensions/ArticleCreationWorkflow/ (8 files in 4 dirs): ArticleCreationWorkflow: Numerous bugfixes, code refactorings, etc, all to do with the landing page. [23:13:04] <jeremyb> $wgDBtype = "mysql"; and then later a section says "# Postgres specific settings" [23:13:13] * jeremyb cries. </rant> [23:13:49] <Reedy> haha [23:13:59] <Reedy> You shouldn't get that on a new install... [23:14:05] <TeamAnonymix> uhhh short urls ? [23:14:06] <Reedy> Or so I'd hope now [23:14:20] <TeamAnonymix> there was some shortcut for that on here i remember from some years ago [23:14:29] <TeamAnonymix> !shorturls [23:14:29] <mw-bot> To create simple URLs (such as the /wiki/PAGENAME style URLs on Wikimedia sites), follow the instructions at <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL>. There are instructions for most different webserver setups. If you have problems getting the rewrite rules to work, see !rewriteproblem [23:14:45] <TeamAnonymix> oh yay ;) [23:14:52] <hexmode> heh [23:15:19] <jeremyb> Reedy: this is 1.11... [23:20:10] <AaronSchulz> robla: heh RSS feeds of logs look awesome...very...streamlined [23:20:45] <codurr> 03werdna * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110895> 10/trunk/extensions/ArticleCreationWorkflow/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Add ext.articleCreation.init hook stub for Ian to fill in [23:21:27] <wikibugs_> 03(mod) several bugs on deployment test site for 1.19 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33578 (10Peter Bena) [23:22:00] <Reedy> hell yeah [23:31:24] <wikibugs_> 03(mod) Add support for non-Arabic number systems - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34193 +comment (10mah) [23:36:50] <Nikerabbit> AaronSchulz: how would that help? [23:37:16] <AaronSchulz> help what? [23:37:36] <TeamAnonymix> Whenever I make any changes whatsoever to my htaccess, everything becomes 404'd [23:37:48] <TeamAnonymix> i think it hates me. anyone have any ideas? [23:38:16] <TeamAnonymix> trying to get short urls setup on 000webhost [23:39:12] <brownbiscuit> Hello, [23:39:25] <brownbiscuit> would anyone here be willing to help me with the creation of a NavBox? [23:43:45] <Reedy> TeamAnonymix, you're doing it wrong ;) [23:44:02] <TeamAnonymix> reedy, well um, could somebody maybe walk me through doing it right? [23:44:33] <Reedy> "doing it right" is very ambiguous [23:44:34] <Reedy> though [23:44:38] <Reedy> !rewriteproblems [23:44:38] <mw-bot> 1) Try <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL/wiki/Page_title_--_no_root_access> as a fail-safe method; 2) Do not put the files into the document root; 3) Do not map the pages into the document root (see !nullpath); 4) Use different, non-overlapping paths for real files and virtual pages; 5) Do not set a RewriteBase; 6) Put all rules into the .htaccess file in the document root. [23:44:53] <Reedy> have you followed all that? ^ [23:45:23] <codurr> 03bsitu * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110896> 10/branches/ArticleCreationWorkflow/phase3/includes/Article.php: followup to -r110866 - place the hook after $text generation so extension can overwrite it, this makes code more clear [23:45:40] <TeamAnonymix> this is the trouble. that page assumes i'm getting urls like /w/index.php?title=Articlename [23:45:42] <TeamAnonymix> but i'm not [23:45:51] <brownbiscuit> Is there a tutorial for navbox's anywhere? [23:45:54] <TeamAnonymix> i'm getting urls like /wiki/index.php/Main_Page [23:46:06] <TeamAnonymix> and i'm wanting to change that to /wiki/Main_Page [23:46:29] <Reedy> You want to rename the wiki folder to w [23:46:40] <Reedy> so you'll be getting /w/index.php/Page [23:46:47] <TeamAnonymix> iits screwed up. i change the localsettings.php and the htaccess to what seems to make sense based on that and what happens is everything on the server becomes a 404 [23:47:11] <TeamAnonymix> Reedy, will that break the install or make me need to reinstall? [23:47:46] <Reedy> Nope [23:47:51] <TeamAnonymix> kk good i'll try it [23:48:41] <TeamAnonymix> what about the "/" vs "?title=" thing? [23:48:58] <TeamAnonymix> won't that affect / change what i should put in .htaccess and localsettings.php ? [23:49:02] <Nikerabbit> AaronSchulz: making that method public [23:49:22] <AaronSchulz> oh, I was looking at FeedUtils [23:49:39] <AaronSchulz> I'll just use the public one and show the username in the action [23:49:44] <AaronSchulz> prolly doesn't matter [23:51:17] <wikibugs_> 03(mod) [Regression] UnknownAction hook problem: the hook should pass the raw action value and not the one core uses ("nosuchaction") - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34203 summary (10Krinkle) [23:51:46] <brownbiscuit> You guys are so helpful.... [23:52:08] <Reedy> lol [23:52:18] <TeamAnonymix> Reedy [23:52:33] <TeamAnonymix> I asked "won't that affect / change what i should put in .htaccess and localsettings.php ?" [23:52:46] <Reedy> It's essentially the same thing [23:53:24] <TeamAnonymix> the instructions on the page linked to are for "/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page" but what I've got is "/w/index.php/Main_Page" [23:53:46] <TeamAnonymix> should I change anything or leave it alone? [23:56:01] <TeamAnonymix> well, I tried it and it failed epically. same crap happening. everything is 404 now [23:57:37] <codurr> 03aaron * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110897> 10/trunk/phase3/includes/FeedUtils.php: [23:57:37] <codurr> r96546: Made FeedUtils::formatDiff() use the new LogFormatter class rather than [23:57:37] <codurr> a broken LogPage::actionText() call (the <summary> tag only had the log action [23:57:37] <codurr> name in it). This change means that log actions in feeds now have the user name [23:57:37] <codurr> in them, unlike 1.18. Also, broke a long code line. [23:58:17] <wikibugs_> 03(NEW) XSS vulnerability scanner false positives - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34257 normal; MediaWiki: API; (tstarling) [23:58:19] <Reedy> Which guide are you actually trying to follow? [23:58:26] <Reedy> as we have numerous [23:58:33] <Joan> So many. [23:59:45] <Reedy> indeed [23:59:51] <Joan> TimStarling: I think Roan's in favor of getting rid of those formats altogether. [23:59:56] <Joan> Maybe Reedy is as well.