[00:00:03] <Joan>	 I guess that'd be an API 2 kind of thing, though.
[00:00:16] <johnduhart>	 Krinkle: Do you think if I replaced jquery with zepto (for mobilefrontend), resource loader and mw.util would still work?
[00:00:26] <codurr>	 03raindrift * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110898> 10/trunk/extensions/ArticleCreationWorkflow/ (4 files): Updated extension name, added message docs, added README and INSTALL
[00:00:40] <Krinkle>	 johnduhart: Not supported, tested or recommended for now.
[00:00:58] <Krinkle>	 I've heard of it but I know there are significant incompatibilities
[00:01:06] <Reedy>	 Joan, Roan was wanting to go JSON only IIRC
[00:01:12] <Joan>	 Reedy: Right.
[00:01:12] <Reedy>	 But still, this is an intermediatary
[00:01:14] <Krinkle>	 Zepto is jQuery-like and easy to port back and forth, but it's definitely not compatible.
[00:01:35] <johnduhart>	 hmmm.
[00:01:35] <Joan>	 Well, perhaps the docs should also be updated to say "use json #butreally".
[00:01:39] <Joan>	 If you're going to be updating docs.
[00:02:07] <Reedy>	 A lot of the formats seemed to be "because we can"
[00:02:12] <codurr>	 03inez * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110899> 10/trunk/extensions/VisualEditor/ (8 files in 3 dirs): Get getSelection in contenteditable working
[00:02:13] <Krinkle>	 johnduhart: Given the strong caching though, I think the bandwidth should be fine. Just load up normal ResourceLoader flow
[00:02:25] <Krinkle>	 johnduhart: or no JS at all
[00:02:31] <Krinkle>	 (without exceptions for anything)
[00:03:06] <Joan>	 I commented.
[00:03:09] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) XSS vulnerability scanner false positives - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34257  +comment (10MZMcBride)
[00:03:22] <codurr>	 03tstarling * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110900> 10/trunk/phase3/includes/Xml.php: Revert r110321: introduces an XSS vulnerability because FormatJson::encode() does not prevent the termination of CDATA sections when JavaScript is embedded in HTML.
[00:03:32] <TimStarling>	 I mean really
[00:03:51] <TimStarling>	 we're like 2 days before the branch point, Roan marks it OK
[00:04:06] <TimStarling>	 and I just happened to look at it because it was related to that McAfee scan result
[00:04:12] <TimStarling>	 it could have so easily gone unnoticed
[00:04:50] <AaronSchulz>	 what made you look at File::transform() btw?
[00:05:00] <Krinkle>	 TimStarling: Eh ? that looks worrying? Is this about Services_JSON or php's native json_encode ?
[00:05:15] <TimStarling>	 both
[00:05:24] <johnduhart>	 Krinkle: I already am using RL for MobileFrontend2, just looking for ways to make it smaller (because I know some one is going to whine "it's bigger than before since it uses jquery!!!!1")
[00:06:02] <TimStarling>	 the issue is documented in Xml::escapeJsString
[00:07:37] <Krinkle>	 TimStarling: So FormatJson::encode should only be used for complete javascript responses (rather than partial output in a <script> tag).  
[00:07:57] <Krinkle>	 TimStarling: In that case, do we need FormatJson::encode at all ? Or is it better performance wise when CDATA is not a concern (e.g. in a load.php response)
[00:08:33] <TimStarling>	 both should be secure
[00:08:49] <TimStarling>	 we need multiple lines of defense
[00:09:36] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Log entries broken due to LogPage::actionText() calls to logs with $wgLogActionHandler function callbacks - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33167  summary (10Aaron Schulz)
[00:09:59] <codurr>	 03werdna * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110901> 10/trunk/extensions/ArticleCreationWorkflow/ (5 files in 4 dirs):
[00:09:59] <codurr>	 Two fixes for ArticleCreationWorkflow:
[00:09:59] <codurr>	 1. Made the pages marginally non-JS-compatible.
[00:09:59] <codurr>	 2. Stopped :visited from overriding the colouring of the links
[00:10:35] <Krinkle>	 TimStarling: I mean if our (seemingly much simpler) json encoder in Xml.php is better and safer than Services_JSON, we might as well remove all body of FormatJson::encode and re-route it to Xml methods (instead of the other way around).
[00:12:40] <TimStarling>	 PHP 5.3 has a JSON_HEX_TAG option to json_encode() which addresses this issue, as I noted on that bug report
[00:13:10] <TimStarling>	 but yes, it doesn't make sense to have two pure PHP implementations, one secure and one subtly flawed
[00:13:24] <Krinkle>	 Yeah
[00:13:35] <TeamAnonymix>	 I can't even add a 404 page!
[00:13:40] <TimStarling>	 I mean, you're one of our best frontend developers, if you don't know about this issue, there's a pretty high chance that it will come up again
[00:14:00] <TeamAnonymix>	 any change I make to my .htaccess file results in everything on the server going to 000webhost's 404 error page
[00:14:13] <TimStarling>	 I should review all direct calls to json_encode and FormatJson::encode(), maybe there are vulnerabilities already
[00:14:15] <TeamAnonymix>	 even when all i want is to make a custom error page
[00:14:22] <Krinkle>	 TimStarling: Well, I obviously knew about < and > escapement being a problem when outputted in <script>
[00:14:37] <Krinkle>	 TimStarling: I wrongly assumed it would be taken care of by the encoder we use all over the place
[00:15:01] <codurr>	 03werdna * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110902> 10/trunk/extensions/ArticleCreationWorkflow/ (2 files in 2 dirs):
[00:15:01] <codurr>	 Two more fixes:
[00:15:01] <codurr>	 1. Issue with lack of e.preventDefault()
[00:15:01] <codurr>	 2. I forgot that not everybody stops anons from creating pages
[00:15:27] <Krinkle>	 TimStarling: I know there are no direct alls to json_encode in our codebase (other than FormatJson::encode itself), I ack'ed that before committing the rev you reverted.
[00:15:55] <Krinkle>	 There most likely are calls to FormatJson::encode
[00:17:01] <Krinkle>	 TimStarling: So we should raise the requirements before handing off to json_encode to include support for JSON_HEX_TAG, and pass it. And then either fix the php implementation of Services_JSON or let it call Xml.php from FormatJson::encode
[00:17:17] <TimStarling>	 yes
[00:17:21] <Krinkle>	 aight
[00:17:21] <TimStarling>	 most of the code in Services_JSON deals with UTF-8 to UTF-16 conversion
[00:18:10] <TimStarling>	 which we don't need because we use a UTF-8 output format, so our strings can have literal unicode characters
[00:18:29] <Krinkle>	 Aside from using Services_JSON or the Xml-class methods, I'd prefer not having this Xml.php either way, but that's another issue.
[00:18:29] <TimStarling>	 if you were embedding unicode text in a latin-1 HTML document, it would matter
[00:18:47] <TimStarling>	 it can move, I don't mind
[00:19:13] <TimStarling>	 maybe things like Xml::encodeJsCall() should move too
[00:21:11] <Krinkle>	 TimStarling: I'm not too familiar with the encoding backgrounds. I noticed Xml uses \\x3c where JSON_HEX_TAG uses \u003C, that's just the same, right ?
[00:21:25] <TimStarling>	 yeah, it's the same
[00:21:27] <Krinkle>	 k
[00:22:50] <Krinkle>	 TimStarling: Oh, Services_JSON of course also contains decode() which Xml.php does not
[00:24:05] <Krinkle>	 TimStarling: I find this all very interesting, but I'd prefer not getting to deep into this right now since I should be working on my report and going to bed about now.
[00:24:15] <Krinkle>	 I'm away for 2 weeks
[00:24:28] <Krinkle>	 (see wmfall )
[00:24:28] <TimStarling>	 ok
[00:24:29] <Krinkle>	 bye!
[00:24:36] <TimStarling>	 bye
[00:26:22] <codurr>	 03inez * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110903> 10/trunk/extensions/VisualEditor/modules/ve/ce/ve.es.Content.js: Delete scanBoundaries method from Content, as it does not make sense anymore for content editable approach
[00:26:36] <TimStarling>	 the UTF-8 handling in Services_JSON::decode() is wrong and scary
[00:27:41] <TimStarling>	 it allows overshort characters to break the syntax
[00:30:44] <codurr>	 03inez * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110904> 10/trunk/extensions/VisualEditor/modules/ve/ce/ve.es.Surface.js: Implement: surfaceView.showCursorAt(int n)
[00:39:24] <wikibugs_>	 03(NEW) most ways to get list of users in Global groups broken - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34258 major; MediaWiki extensions: CentralAuth; (jalexander)
[00:48:16] <codurr>	 03christian * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110905> 10/trunk/extensions/VisualEditor/ (3 files in 3 dirs): copy and paste support
[01:02:15] <codurr>	 03werdna * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110906> 10/trunk/extensions/AbuseFilter/Views/AbuseFilterViewEdit.php: (bug 33392) Fix issue where users without permission to add restricted actions could nonetheless remove them. Patch by Nikola Kovacs, with modifications for code style.
[01:02:52] <wikibugs_>	 03(FIXED) Users without abusefilter-modify-restricted can remove restricted actions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33392  +comment (10Andrew Garrett)
[01:06:06] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Create Wikipedia Lezgi - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34223  +comment (10robinp.1273)
[01:09:21] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) most ways to get list of users in Global groups broken - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34258  +comment (10sam)
[01:11:21] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Change site logo for lb.wiktionary - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34253  normal->15enhancement;  +shell (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[01:13:52] <wikibugs_>	 03(FIXED) We need a new "IL-GLAM" list - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34248  +comment (10Philippe Beaudette)
[01:15:57] <codurr>	 03werdna * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110907> 10/trunk/extensions/ArticleCreationWorkflow/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix bug
[01:27:36] <wikibugs_>	 03(NEW) Going to a non existent special page on a private wiki while not logged in causes backtace - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34259 normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (jalexander)
[01:29:13] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Going to a non existent special page on a private wiki while not logged in causes backtace - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34259  (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[01:42:20] <pokeswap>	 !HELP http://spyinginc.com/wiki
[01:42:20] <mw-bot>	 http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:http%3A%2F%2Fspyinginc.com%2Fwiki
[01:43:30] <Reedy>	 !500
[01:43:30] <mw-bot>	 the HTTP error code for an internal server error. It is rarely triggered by mediawiki itself and is more commonly a result of a faulty PHP setup or invalid or illegal options in htaccess. See Apache's error log for details.
[01:43:47] <Netalarm>	 Hi, is there a way to write an extension so it auto-updates?
[01:43:58] <pokeswap>	 how do i fix it
[01:44:19] <Netalarm>	 I'm wondering if it's possible for an extension to routinely fetch a new copy of itself, replace existing files, etc.
[01:45:21] <Reedy>	 !blankpage | pokeswap 
[01:45:21] <mw-bot>	 pokeswap: A blank page or HTTP 500 error usually indicates a fatal PHP error. For information on debugging (including viewing errors), see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:How_to_debug>.
[01:45:21] <wikibugs_>	 03(WONTFIX) Installing Piwik and the MediaWiki Piwik installation on office.wikimedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/23085  +comment (10Rob Lanphier)
[01:45:24] <Dantman>	 ^_^ In some circles, we call that feature a security hole
[01:45:33] <Reedy>	 No, we have no functionality for automatic update
[01:46:52] <pokeswap>	 The requested page title was invalid, empty, or an incorrectly linked inter-language or inter-wiki title. It may contain one or more characters which cannot be used in titles.
[01:47:11] <pokeswap>	 !blankpage
[01:47:11] <mw-bot>	 A blank page or HTTP 500 error usually indicates a fatal PHP error. For information on debugging (including viewing errors), see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:How_to_debug>.
[01:53:52] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Schema changes for 1.19 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34104  +comment (10afeldman)
[01:55:17] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) SemanticFormsInputs fatal bug on regex validation - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33982  +comment (10jamie)
[02:00:59] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Security vulnerability in OTRS software - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/18344  +comment (10Rob Lanphier)
[02:04:27] <wikibugs_>	 04(REOPENED) importScript, importScriptURI, and addPortletLink errors - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34147  +comment (10Saibo)
[02:10:28] <MorbusIff>	 evening - in 1.16, <gallery>'s were tables, but in 1.18 they're ULs. in 1.16, I use CSS to make the table 100% wide - is there a built-in tweak to 1.18 gallery to do the same, or should I force the UL (?) to 100%?
[02:10:43] <wikibugs_>	 03(FIXED) Security vulnerability in OTRS software - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/18344  +comment (10Rob Lanphier)
[02:11:30] <wikibugs_>	 03(NEW) generateSitemap.php / --server: not working - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34260 major; MediaWiki: Maintenance scripts; (mediawiki)
[02:12:25] <Morbus>	 hrm. that doesn't' seem to work.
[02:12:34] <Morbus>	 so, now all my galleries look like poo.
[02:12:35] <codurr>	 03christian * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110908> 10/trunk/extensions/VisualEditor/ (demos/ce/main.js modules/ve/ce/ve.es.Surface.js): cut support
[02:12:35] * Morbus  thinks.

[02:13:27] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) generateSitemap.php / --server: not working - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34260  major->normal (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[02:13:49] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) ~~~~~ shows (���� (�W����)) on Windows XP - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/751  -platformeng +i18n (10Rob Lanphier)
[02:13:55] <Morbus>	 i AM using per row, so it looks like the move to UL/LI was to allow a more flexible layout.
[02:14:38] <Morbus>	 but now i've either got to modify all my <gallery> usage, or somehow figure out a CSS solution.
[02:14:43] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) generateSitemap.php / --server: not working - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34260  +comment (10sam)
[02:16:00] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Classes like Parser and EditPage should use $mTitle member rather than $wgTitle - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/12710  (10Rob Lanphier)
[02:17:31] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) generateSitemap.php / --server: not working - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34260  +comment (10mediawiki)
[02:17:31] <Morbus>	 grr, this sucks.
[02:17:40] <Quasar`>	 O_O
[02:18:12] <Morbus>	 does zebra striping happen automatically now on sortable tables or wikitables or something?
[02:24:47] <Morbus>	 arrrgh
[02:24:57] <Morbus>	 i can't fix it in CSS because i use multiple per rows depending on the gallery.
[02:25:01] <Morbus>	 dammit, this change sucks.
[02:25:20] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) generateSitemap.php / --server: not working - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34260  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[02:27:50] <sumanah>	 hi Morbus 
[02:28:02] <Morbus>	 evenin'
[02:28:13] <sumanah>	 (it's a bad time to try to get realtime help, since Europe is asleep and California is going home from work)
[02:28:21] <sumanah>	 Morbus: you might want to try the mailing lists
[02:28:25] <sumanah>	 !lists | Morbus 
[02:28:25] <mw-bot>	 Morbus: mediawiki-l and wikitech-l are the primary mailing lists for MediaWiki-related issues. See https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Mailing_lists for details.
[02:28:30] <Morbus>	 yeah, at this point, i don't think there's any help for it, really.
[02:28:40] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) [SF] Magic words like {{PAGENAME}} in form definition do not get displayed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/32883  +comment (10fastgoldfish)
[02:28:47] <wikibugs_>	 03(FIXED) [SF] Magic words like {{PAGENAME}} in form definition do not get displayed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/32883  (10badon)
[02:28:52] <Morbus>	 the move from TABLE to UL makes sense, it just doesn't fit in with how I had tweaked the original TABLE code.
[02:29:05] <Morbus>	 so now i've got lots of broken little galleries and i have to figure out how to make them work in the UL world ;)
[02:30:27] <sumanah>	 Morbus: best of luck
[02:34:04] <wikibugs_>	 03(FIXED) [SMW] Semantic Search offset incorrect on first display after clicking "further results" in table - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33575  +comment (10badon)
[02:35:53] <Morbus>	 hrm. wonder if there's a way to find every page that uses a gallery.
[02:36:33] <tjf>	 When is it that $wgProxyList is actually accessed?
[02:36:49] <tjf>	 Whenever an IP edits?
[02:39:41] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) [SMW] 1.6 to 1.7 property type "URL" cannot be queried by property when the URL contains equal sign character "=" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/32955  +comment (10fastgoldfish)
[02:41:50] <Reedy>	 tjf, see User::isLocallyBlockedProxy()
[02:42:48] <Reedy>	 http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/includes/User.php?view=annotate#l1392
[02:43:23] <Reedy>	 In older versions, it's in wfIsLocallyBlockedProxy()
[02:44:19] <Reedy>	 !branchpoints
[02:44:19] <mw-bot>	 http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Branch_points
[02:44:25] <tjf>	 Reedy: ouch, so having a 5 MB file with proxies listed would have negative effects on performance, I take it.
[02:44:45] <Joan>	 Is it indexed?
[02:44:57] <Reedy>	 i think it's just a text file
[02:45:08] <Reedy>	 err
[02:45:25] <Reedy>	 or can be
[02:45:41] <tjf>	 Reedy, Joan: https://github.com/TechEssentials/poseidon/blob/master/blacklist.php
[02:46:08] <Reedy>	 It's called whenever mw checks if a user is blocked
[02:46:11] <tjf>	 (That text file is >5 MB, it may make your browser freeze/crash)
[02:46:29] <tjf>	 So if someone tries to edit, it'll be called...
[02:46:34] <Reedy>	 Chrome loads it fine
[02:46:46] <tjf>	 the raw file?
[02:46:46] <Joan>	 Yeah.
[02:47:05] <tjf>	 I guess having eighty-some tabs open hurts it a bit
[02:47:17] <Reedy>	 Be nicer having it use a cdb or something
[02:47:21] <Joan>	 Chrome has good handling of weird shit like that.
[02:47:36] <Reedy>	 tjf, how are you setting it?
[02:47:54] <Reedy>	 just including that file in LocalSettings.php?
[02:48:00] <tjf>	 Yeah
[02:48:17] <Reedy>	 Have you apc or similar setup?
[02:48:48] <tjf>	 no, and this is actually going to be an extension bundle of various anti-spam extensions for MW
[02:49:00] <tjf>	 aimed toward less experienced MW users
[02:50:42] <Reedy>	 lol, it's nearly 6MB
[02:51:04] <tjf>	 and we planned on putting it on a central server, then having each install call it from that server
[02:51:17] <tjf>	 which would make editing slower, and put load on the servers
[02:51:32] <wikibugs_>	 03(NEW) Allow $wgProxyList to use a CDB file or similar - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34261 enhancement; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (sam)
[02:52:02] <Reedy>	 loading over the internets per request is insane
[02:52:15] <Reedy>	 doing so and caching for X, not so much
[02:52:22] <Reedy>	 Hence why I was asking if you had APC setup
[02:52:45] <tjf>	 we don't
[02:54:07] <p858snake|l>	 tjf: eww @ extensions making external calls for other resources... make sure you document that very well
[02:54:44] <Reedy>	 hopefully planned is past tense
[02:54:54] <tjf>	 p858snake|l: I know, I'm not fan of that either, but it seemed like the easiest way to update it "centrally"
[02:55:12] <Reedy>	 cache control headers?
[02:55:12] <tjf>	 I suppose 5 MB is nothing anymore.
[02:55:34] <Reedy>	 "only give me the file if it's newer than when I last got it"
[02:55:45] <Reedy>	 still an external web request
[02:56:34] <Reedy>	 tjf, you'd almost be as well as writing a api service, send ip, get back a true/false
[02:56:51] <tjf>	 that sounds somewhat difficult, but feasible
[02:57:15] <Reedy>	 writing an api module for MW wouldn't take much
[02:57:41] <tjf>	 I'd have to learn a decent amount of php
[02:57:44] <Reedy>	 you can push the table into a db server or similar, add indexes for the datalookup
[02:58:23] <Reedy>	 I can't see it being much more than 20 or 30 lines of code.. and a lot of it is boilerplate copy paste
[02:58:41] <tjf>	 Okay
[02:58:45] <tjf>	 Maybe I'll try that.
[02:59:27] <Reedy>	 hell, for actual code to write for the module, it'd be less than 10 lines
[02:59:40] <tjf>	 i can do that
[02:59:52] <Reedy>	 need a maintenance script to populate the db (ideally), and a db table definition
[03:00:19] <tjf>	 So it'd check to see if the IP was on the blacklist, then return with true/false?
[03:00:27] <Reedy>	 pretty much, yup
[03:03:42] <tjf>	 Reedy: wait, how is that better than sending when a person edits without API?
[03:04:11] <Reedy>	 well, it allows you to have a centralised version, that only one person has to keep upto date
[03:04:26] <tjf>	 ah, right...
[03:04:34] <Reedy>	 you still need a http call, but it's a hell of a lot better than grabbing 6 meg every time ;)
[03:04:58] <tjf>	 So the action takes place on the server where it's being hosted, rather than both?
[03:05:10] <Reedy>	 yup
[03:05:18] <tjf>	 that makes sense
[03:05:33] <tjf>	 .sesu shower
[03:05:35] <tjf>	 fail.
[03:10:22] <Reedy>	 I could probably do it today (as it's 3am for me now ;)) after some sleep
[03:23:58] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) [SMW] 1.6 to 1.7 RC1 #ask and #show insert extra spaces after commas in properties - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33478  +comment (10fastgoldfish)
[03:28:15] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) userOptions.php is unable to access some options - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/19051  +comment (10Chad H.)
[04:00:48] <OffGridOps>	 MW 1.18.1:  I am hoping to find a simple extension to allow me to lockdown either page(s) by usergroup or preferably by category(s).   PPP is a no go as I cannot get any support.  Thanx
[04:01:20] <OffGridOps>	 It doesn't have to be bulletproof just kinda effective
[04:03:49] <sumanah>	 !lockdown
[04:03:49] <mw-bot>	 Lockdown is an extension for preventing read or write access by namespace and limiting access to special pages, see < http://mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Lockdown >. For per-page access protection, see !ppp. For general information on preventing access to your wiki, see !access.
[04:03:55] <sumanah>	 OffGridOps: take a look ^^^
[04:04:04] <sumanah>	 perhaps by namespace?
[04:23:21] <OffGridOps>	 @sumanah:  sorry for delay lost signal.  so with lockdown you are kinda saying that i would create a namespace and then everything in it would be locked down to those with access to it?
[04:23:34] <sumanah>	 OffGridOps: I dunno, I haven't used it
[04:23:40] <sumanah>	 OffGridOps: check it out
[04:23:46] <OffGridOps>	 ah going there now thanx
[04:23:55] <varnent>	 sumanah: I was absent earlier due to Prop 8 ruling - so I'll try to find folks tmrw  :)
[04:24:02] <Yaron>	 OffGridOps - I like SimpleSecurity; I've used it before.
[04:24:02] <sumanah>	 varnent: CONGRATS eh?
[04:24:07] <Yaron>	 !e SimpleSecurity
[04:24:08] <mw-bot>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:SimpleSecurity
[04:24:32] <OffGridOps>	 i loved it but it does not work in 1.18 or didnt last week
[04:24:43] <Yaron>	 Oh - good to know. That's too bad.
[04:24:53] <varnent>	 sumanah: yeah - I'm curious to see if the Supremes will take it on - even ten minutes I argue myself out of how I last felt about what they'd do - not as cut and dry as I felt it would be when this strategy was originally planned
[04:25:08] <varnent>	 sumanah: so I'm like "yay! - wait…."
[04:26:09] <johnduhart>	 Woooo!
[04:26:23] * johnduhart  got zepto.js working for MobileFrontend2

[04:26:39] <sumanah>	 whoooo!
[04:27:24] <varnent>	 yay!  :)
[04:27:41] <varnent>	 sumanah: unrelated - this photo from Wikicon NYC 09 made me laugh - http://www.wikiqueer.org/w/WikiQueer:Autoblock#How_it_works
[04:27:53] <johnduhart>	 Right now we're at 43KB & 6 reqs vs. 110KB & 9 reqs
[04:28:18] <johnduhart>	 I'm sure I could trim more fat if I wanted :)
[04:28:45] <johnduhart>	 But, for now it's bedtime
[04:28:52] * varnent  wishes body trimming and code trimming came with the same flair for fun

[04:28:54] <sumanah>	 ha, varnent 
[04:29:00] <sumanah>	 night johnduhart 
[04:29:12] <varnent>	 I like the "Krill looks on with disapproval"
[04:42:53] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Add support for non-Arabic number systems - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34193  +comment (10jayantanth)
[05:27:19] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) UI polish for full-screen search on mobile site - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34233  +comment (10philinje)
[05:34:26] <sumanah>	 TimStarling: the WMDE hackathon will either be May 18-20 or June 1-3.  Which is better for you?
[05:34:37] <sumanah>	 I may have already asked that, in which case I apologize for not remembering
[05:35:11] <TimStarling>	 June 1-3
[05:36:07] <TimStarling>	 Angela's parents are visiting Australia from May 6 to 25
[05:43:59] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) UI polish for full-screen search on mobile site - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34233  +comment (10hwalls)
[05:49:45] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Wikimedia-hosted OpenStreetMap (OSM) / mapnik tileservers wanted for mobile usage - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33980  +comment (10Phil Chang)
[05:56:30] <sumanah>	 TimStarling: ok, passed that along.  I think the June date is looking more likely in general.
[05:56:37] <codurr>	 03inez * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110911> 10/trunk/extensions/VisualEditor/demos/ce/main.js: Display "wikitext" pane by default in content editable demo
[05:58:03] <aude>	 sumanah: june is good for me
[05:58:26] * aude  prefers more time separation between berlin and DC, but whatever best for folks....

[05:58:31] <sumanah>	 aude: understood
[05:58:53] <aude>	 sumanah: no idea how many folks will attend both
[05:59:20] <aude>	 but then continuation of hackathon projects is a good thing
[06:02:23] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Wikimedia-hosted OpenStreetMap (OSM) / mapnik tileservers wanted for mobile usage - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33980  +comment (10aude.wiki)
[06:10:02] <codurr>	 03tstarling * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110912> 10/trunk/phase3/ (2 files in 2 dirs):
[06:10:02] <codurr>	 * Optimise {{GENDER}} so that it doesn't need to load the user options if only one form is given. For some reason (presumably some detail of how translatewiki.net works) such {{GENDER}} invocations are extremely common.
[06:10:02] <codurr>	 * Updated Language::gender() documentation accordingly
[06:13:18] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) userOptions.php is unable to access some options - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/19051  (10jidanni)
[06:14:37] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) userOptions.php is unable to access some options - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/19051  (10jidanni)
[06:17:33] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) userOptions.php is unable to access some options - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/19051  (10jidanni)
[06:24:21] <wikibugs_>	 03(NEW) [SMW] count format not producing 0 on non-existing category queries - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34262 normal; MediaWiki extensions: Semantic MediaWiki; (fastgoldfish)
[06:29:11] <codurr>	 03christian * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110913> 10/trunk/extensions/VisualEditor/modules/ve/ce/ve.es.Surface.js: working on getSelection and getOffset for triple click
[06:31:00] <sumanah>	 uh, hi Daniel_WMDE, sorry for the spam
[06:31:55] <codurr>	 03christian * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110914> 10/trunk/extensions/VisualEditor/modules/ve/ce/styles/ve.es.Document.css: adding overflow hidden to allow clicking on floated elements
[06:44:52] <sumanah>	 hmm, I guess Mobile World Congress could conceivably go in the upcoming events in the eng report....
[06:45:03] <sumanah>	 ah well, if the mobile people didn't add it during the review session
[06:45:09] <sumanah>	 then they know better than I
[06:55:18] <codurr>	 03christian * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110915> 10/trunk/extensions/VisualEditor/modules/ve/ce/ve.es.Surface.js: removing offset override
[07:03:25] <codurr>	 03hashar * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110916> 10/trunk/phase3/includes/cache/FileCacheBase.php:
[07:03:25] <codurr>	 make gzopen() portable by using binary flag
[07:03:25] <codurr>	 r110871 forgot the 'b' flag which make sure gzopen handle file
[07:03:25] <codurr>	 content in binary form. That is for portability accross platforms.
[07:04:14] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Please create a Marathi Wikisource - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33907  +comment (10rahuldeshmukh101)
[07:11:25] <wikibugs_>	 14(WFM) ~~~~~ shows (���� (�W����)) on Windows XP - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/751  (10Siebrand)
[07:18:19] <codurr>	 03christian * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110917> 10/trunk/extensions/VisualEditor/modules/ve/ce/ve.es.Surface.js: fixing scroll after paste
[07:26:07] <codurr>	 03oren * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110918> 10/trunk/lucene-search-3/src/main/java/org/apache/lucene/search/ (3 files): added unimplemented methods required to conform to Lucene 2.9.4 API
[07:26:55] <sumanah>	 hi aharoni 
[07:27:24] <codurr>	 03oren * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110919> 10/trunk/lucene-search-3/pom.xml: changed library version of Lucene to 2.9.4
[07:37:52] <wikibugs_>	 03(NEW) Lowercase links red even if uppercase redirect exists - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34263 normal; MediaWiki: Internationalization; (moyogo)
[07:39:22] <codurr>	 03oren * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110920> 10/trunk/lucene-search-3/.classpath: updated project settings
[07:46:35] <chughakshay16>	 sumanah : gsoc help 
[07:46:55] <sumanah>	 hi chughakshay16 
[07:47:10] <chughakshay16>	 i sent u a mail yesterday.
[07:47:32] <chughakshay16>	 wanting to know more about mediawiki's gsoc ideas
[07:48:47] <chughakshay16>	 i sent it from the email address : chughakshay16@gmail.com
[07:50:20] <sumanah>	 hi chughakshay16, just a moment.
[07:53:37] <sumanah>	 chughakshay16: yeah, I received that email.  I'm sorry to say I do not always respond to email within 1 day.
[07:53:51] <sumanah>	 chughakshay16: but hey, it's almost 3am where I am and I am still awake and working, so, why not talk now :-)
[07:54:44] <sumanah>	 chughakshay16: so, I'm looking at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Summer_of_Code_2012
[07:55:24] <sumanah>	 first, chughakshay16, about the web API thing I said -- it is very very very loose. "I wonder about whether there are things we could do wrt Wikibooks and Wikiversity to improve their reuse/integrability (q: is that a word? a: yes) in terms of our web API. Or something."
[07:56:39] <sumanah>	 chughakshay16:  I was on an airplane next to an educator, and he asked when Wikipedia was going to get into the educational curriculum game.  Obviously he did not know about Wikiversity and Wikibooks!  So I told him.
[07:57:21] <sumanah>	 chughakshay16: and then he basically asked to what extent they were reusable programmatically, that is, are the contents usable as building blocks for other content management and curriculum creation systems elsewhere?
[07:57:30] * sumanah  waits for chughakshay16 to respond

[08:02:20] <chughakshay16>	 sumanah : m really sorry !
[08:02:32] <sumanah>	 chughakshay16: it's ok. I have added more detail at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Summer_of_Code_2012#Project_ideas
[08:02:41] <chughakshay16>	 sumanah : my system hung up, so had to reboot my system,
[08:02:49] <sumanah>	 No prob, I have been in your shoes
[08:03:34] <chughakshay16>	 sumanah : well what you were saying about reusing the already existing wikibooks and wikiversity platform
[08:03:40] <sumanah>	 chughakshay16: regarding the books issue for Wikisource & Wikibooks -- did you already read https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15071 and the links that are mentioned in there?
[08:04:26] <chughakshay16>	 but that does mean you were referring to creating a client that would leverage the potential of these two 
[08:04:43] <chughakshay16>	 Wikibooks and Wikiversity
[08:05:00] <sumanah>	 chughakshay16: I do not know!  I think a student who is interested in this question should investigate what is desired by the educational community, see what is technically feasible, and write a proposal
[08:05:05] <sumanah>	 this is just the germ of an idea
[08:05:11] <sumanah>	 "germ" here means "seed"
[08:05:14] <sumanah>	 sorry
[08:05:20] <sumanah>	 I talk old-fashioned sometimes
[08:05:59] <chughakshay16>	 okay i got your point
[08:06:19] <chughakshay16>	 and what about the other two questions that i posted in that mail.. :)
[08:06:45] <sumanah>	 chughakshay16: hit reload on https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Summer_of_Code_2012#Project_ideas
[08:06:56] <sumanah>	 chughakshay16: also, you haven't answered my question re https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15071
[08:06:57] <sumanah>	 :)
[08:07:30] <chughakshay16>	 jsut give me a sec to go through it .
[08:08:46] <chughakshay16>	 well i read it .. but i dont remember what your question was ?
[08:09:08] <sumanah>	 chughakshay16: HAHA
[08:09:13] <sumanah>	 chughakshay16: try scrolling up!
[08:09:18] <sumanah>	 :)
[08:09:57] <sumanah>	 (in your IRC history)
[08:10:05] <sumanah>	 I said, "<sumanah> chughakshay16: regarding the books issue for Wikisource & Wikibooks -- did you already read https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15071 and the links that are mentioned in there?"
[08:10:30] <chughakshay16>	 sumanah : i already found your question..
[08:10:46] <chughakshay16>	 was just going through the whole article 
[08:10:59] <chughakshay16>	 just to be sure about what to say next
[08:12:02] <sumanah>	 sure, no problem
[08:12:39] <sumanah>	 chughakshay16: so, to sum up -- I am not the one who added that idea re Wikisource & Wikibooks.  Your best bet to get clarification on that is to either initiate a discussion on the wiki page, or to ask a comment on the bug inBugzilla
[08:13:04] <chughakshay16>	 okay  :)
[08:13:16] <sumanah>	 chughakshay16: I have added a few sources of information regarding the mass upload tool work
[08:13:40] <chughakshay16>	 but i guess you did put up the point of improving the 'books' feature..
[08:14:18] <sumanah>	 chughakshay16: you can look in the page history to figure out who wrote what. Sometimes people sign, sometimes they don't leave their name explicitly
[08:14:58] <sumanah>	 chughakshay16: as you may be able to guess, you can go to https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/GLAM to learn more about the GLAM community, which is one of the interest groups that wants mass uploading functionality
[08:15:34] <sumanah>	 chughakshay16: you can also use http://wikipedia.ramselehof.de/wikiblame.php to find out who wrote what on a wikipedia or mediawiki.org page -- it mostly works :-)
[08:16:50] <chughakshay16>	 suamanah : thanks !!
[08:16:55] <chughakshay16>	 one more thing..
[08:16:55] <sumanah>	 chughakshay16: so, it's now 3:15am and oh dear, I still haven't finished something I meant to get done today (a followup from a meeting) and I have a meeting in 10 hours
[08:16:58] <sumanah>	 so I should go to bed soon
[08:17:02] <sumanah>	 ok
[08:17:30] <sumanah>	 go ahead, chughakshay16 
[08:17:48] <chughakshay16>	 i have already taken a good look at the extensions BookManager and Collection , 
[08:18:37] <chughakshay16>	 this is regarding to the question which i posted in my mail..
[08:18:50] <chughakshay16>	 that what do you mean by "books" feature ?
[08:19:33] <chughakshay16>	 oh sorry !! you have already answered this question .
[08:19:40] <sumanah>	 which project idea are you talking about, chughakshay16?  I presume "Create a way to have �books� for wikisource/wikibooks � This would mean you could �watch� books (sets of pages, watch a category) instead of just single pages. Might be able to do by extending the Extension:Collection or improving Extension:BookManager."
[08:19:41] <sumanah>	 oh ok!
[08:20:00] <chughakshay16>	 and thanks for your help :)
[08:20:06] <sumanah>	 I'm glad I could help!
[08:20:18] <sumanah>	 chughakshay16: are you going to be at any of our upcoming developers' events?
[08:20:33] <sumanah>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki_developer_meetings
[08:20:41] <sumanah>	 chughakshay16: Pune, Chennai?
[08:20:54] <codurr>	 03aaron * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110921> 10/branches/REL1_18/extensions/FlaggedRevs/dataclasses/FlaggedRevsStats.php: Backported stats query index usage fixes (r98569) from /trunk
[08:20:55] <chughakshay16>	 i can come to pune..
[08:21:03] <chughakshay16>	 its close to my place
[08:21:12] <sumanah>	 chughakshay16: also, https://wikimania2012.wikimedia.org/wiki/Scholarships the deadline for applying for a Wikimania scholarship is coming soon.  16 Feb 2012.  You should consider applying
[08:21:24] <sumanah>	 so you can come to Wikimania, Washington, DC, USA in July 2012
[08:21:46] <chughakshay16>	 what are the per-requisites ?
[08:21:54] <chughakshay16>	 for wikimania ?
[08:22:28] <sumanah>	 chughakshay16: Wikimania is the worldwide yearly event where the entire Wikimedia community gets together -- editors, readers, photographers, developers, etc.
[08:22:34] <chughakshay16>	 sorry !! you can go n sleep , i will find it out from the link you gave me..
[08:23:00] <sumanah>	 chughakshay16: look at that Scholarships page and you can contact #wikimania or talk on the Discuss page of the scholarships page if you have questions
[08:23:01] <sumanah>	 ok!
[08:23:25] <chughakshay16>	 thanks !!
[08:24:23] <sumanah>	 Welcome!
[08:24:46] <sumanah>	 OK, now I attempt to sleep
[08:24:49] <sumanah>	 best wishes
[08:24:49] <chughakshay16>	 and whom should i contact if i need to discuss more about the reusablity of Wikibooks and Wikiversity  ??
[08:25:34] <sumanah>	 chughakshay16: I think you would want to ask educators, teachers, curriculum writers, and the people of the Wikibooks and Wikiversity communities
[08:25:50] <sumanah>	 maybe do some searches on the web to see whether other people have already had some of these ideas
[08:26:32] <chughakshay16>	 thanks (last one) !!
[08:26:42] <sumanah>	 Good luck!
[08:26:45] <sumanah>	 Talk to you later.
[09:00:35] <codurr>	 03aaron * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110922> 10/trunk/phase3/includes/filerepo/backend/FSFileBackend.php: Added some simple path validation to resolveContainerPath() in FSFileBackend. This makes file op batches a bit more robust.
[09:04:09] <robsyme>	 Hi all. My MW server is returning HTTP Error 500 when uploading files > 26MB (ish). I've set both post_max_size and upload_max_filesize to 500M in /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini, but the problem persists.
[09:04:11] <robsyme>	 Does anybody here have any pointers? Much appreciated.
[09:05:14] <robsyme>	 Running MW v1.18.1, Semantic MediaWiki v1.7.0.2, php 5.3.6-13ubuntu3.3 (apache2handler)
[09:05:23] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Please create a Marathi Wikisource - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33907  +comment (10Gerard Meijssen)
[09:08:13] <tale>	 robsyme: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Configuring_file_uploads#Set_maximum_size_for_file_uploads
[09:10:39] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) history (from June 2002, till january 2004) looks lost in Oriya Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34205  +comment (10wikiodisha1)
[09:13:08] <robsyme>	 @tale. Thanks. I was editing the wrong php.ini. "php -i | grep php.ini" pointed me in the right direction. Thanks!
[09:13:48] <tale>	 robsyme: Good show!
[09:16:37] <codurr>	 03hashar * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110923> 10/trunk/phase3/includes/filerepo/backend/FSFileBackend.php:
[09:16:37] <codurr>	 use rtrim() to strip trailing slashes
[09:16:37] <codurr>	 rtrim() can be given a list of character to strip from a given string.
[09:42:03] <codurr>	 New code comment: Krinkle; Aggregating from #mediawiki: http://toolserver.org/~mwbot/logs/%23mediawiki/20120208.txt \ <pre> \ [00:0; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110900#c30574>
[09:45:33] <codurr>	 New code comment: MZMcBride; Truncated commit summary?; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110907#c30575>
[09:46:18] <codurr>	 New code comment: Tim Starling; Actually there is a difference between \x3c and \u003c: \x3c is not allowed in JSON, although it is ; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110900#c30576>
[09:48:33] <codurr>	 New code comment: Tim Starling; Here is the query log for [[Special:Log/move]] on my test wiki: http://paste.tstarling.com/p/rQxouc.; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/96546#c30577>
[09:54:48] <codurr>	 03hashar * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110926> 10/trunk/phase3/includes/filerepo/backend/FSFileBackend.php: r110923 made basePath always null!
[09:55:03] <codurr>	 New code comment: Tim Starling; This broken code is still present, even after r110893. Leaving status as fixme because of that.; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/96546#c30578>
[09:55:03] <codurr>	 New code comment: Tim Starling; Disabled the relevant feature in; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/96546#c30579>
[09:55:04] <codurr>	 New code comment: Tim Starling; Disabled the relevant feature in r110909.; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/96546#c30580>
[10:00:06] <codurr>	 03hashar * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110927> 10/trunk/phase3/includes/filerepo/FileRepo.php:
[10:00:06] <codurr>	 debug statement for FileRepo::storeBatch()
[10:00:06] <codurr>	 also nicely align some variable assignements
[10:00:33] <codurr>	 New code comment: Tim Starling; If you have memcached enabled, you get less queries: one per row for users with default options befo; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/96546#c30581>
[10:04:18] <codurr>	 New code comment: Siebrand; Can you elaborate on the "severe performance regression"? Also, why only revert the displayed messag; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110909#c30582>
[10:05:03] <codurr>	 New code comment: Hashar; binary flag added with r110916.; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110871#c30583>
[10:08:32] <wikibugs_>	 03(NEW) id t-print is missing in monobook skin - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34264 normal; MediaWiki: User interface; (thomas.gabele)
[10:13:54] <wikibugs_>	 03(NEW) Ability to hide bot edits on history page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34265 normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (srik.lak)
[10:13:54] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Tamil Wiki projects (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/32578  (10Srikanth Logic)
[10:19:18] <codurr>	 New code comment: Hashar; That revision made basePath always null. Fixed with r110926; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110923#c30584>
[10:21:20] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) PHP Warning on showing Release Notes due to the fact that file does not exist - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33691  +comment (10moejoe0000)
[10:30:20] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) PHP Warning on showing Release Notes due to the fact that file does not exist - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33691   +need-review +patch (10p858snake)
[10:43:04] <codurr>	 New code comment: Aaron Schulz; The change in the foreach loop is broken since rtrim does not work by reference.; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110923#c30585>
[11:02:36] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Upload wizard: RTL support is incomplete - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/24692  +comment (10Osama)
[12:16:42] <codurr>	 03hashar * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110928> 10/trunk/phase3/includes/filerepo/FileRepo.php: align variables / enhance comment
[12:28:15] <patriot>	 hi can someone help me? i've just installed the last mediawiki, i need an extension that enhances the text editor with for example [[Category:]] and == == buttons, thx
[12:42:30] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) generateSitemap.php / --server: not working - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34260  +comment (10mediawiki)
[12:46:38] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) bits.wm.o loading issues from Pakistan - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34256  (10inlandtaipan15)
[12:47:40] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) bits.wm.o loading issues from Pakistan - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34256  (10inlandtaipan15)
[12:58:30] <codurr>	 03hashar * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110929> 10/trunk/phase3/includes/filerepo/backend/FSFileBackend.php: debug messages for getFileListInternal() returns
[12:59:42] <wikibugs_>	 03(NEW) Editpage: Add an option that enables subst+int for summeries - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34266 normal; MediaWiki: Page editing; (bugreporter)
[13:00:15] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Editpage: Add an option that enables subst+int for summeries - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34266  normal->15enhancement (10merl)
[13:43:00] <johnduhart>	 "Neil Kandalgaonkar left the Wikimedia Foundation in January (announcement)."
[13:43:02] <johnduhart>	 D:
[13:43:27] <RoanKattouw>	 yeah :(
[13:50:05] <codurr>	 03johnduhart * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110931> 10/trunk/extensions/MobileFrontend2/ (7 files in 4 dirs): Javascript improvements
[13:50:07] <codurr>	 03johnduhart * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110930> 10/trunk/extensions/MobileFrontend2/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Added an options class for managing options like no header and no logo
[13:51:50] <codurr>	 03johnduhart * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110932> 10/trunk/extensions/MobileFrontend2/modules/zepto/zepto.js: Ping r110931, forgot zepto.js
[13:51:53] <johnduhart>	 RoanKattouw: I got resourceloader working with zepto.js!
[13:52:14] <RoanKattouw>	 Zepto is that jQuery replacement thing?
[13:52:27] <johnduhart>	 Yeah, built with mobile devices in mind
[13:52:32] <RoanKattouw>	 aha
[13:52:52] <RoanKattouw>	 Does RL just work with Zepto out of the box, or do changes need to be made?
[13:52:58] <Reedy>	 johnduhart: have you made RoanKattouw reply to the fixme? :p
[13:53:12] <RoanKattouw>	 Reedy: I replied, didn't I?
[13:53:21] <RoanKattouw>	 At least to the one you sent to me while I was in Australia
[13:53:23] <johnduhart>	 I needed to add a few functions to it (see zepto.mw.js), but otherwise it works
[13:53:31] <Reedy>	 I never got a reply :/
[13:53:41] <RoanKattouw>	 Oh, sorry, didn't realize you weren't on the CR thread
[13:54:14] <Reedy>	 I think I am
[13:54:59] <Reedy>	 http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/98500#c29514
[13:55:28] <Reedy>	 Ah
[13:55:28] <Reedy>	 Why didn't I get an email about that? :/
[13:55:33] <RoanKattouw>	 No idea
[13:55:48] <Doosra>	 Any organizers from the Pune Hackathon around ? 
[13:56:00] <Reedy>	 Stupid CR
[13:56:37] <Reedy>	 johnduhart: gonna fix r98500 then?
[13:56:43] <johnduhart>	 Yup.
[13:59:42] <johnduhart>	 RoanKattouw: How should I got about this? Should I move the CSS to another module and call that with addModuleSyles?
[14:00:13] <RoanKattouw>	 That's probably best
[14:00:28] <RoanKattouw>	 If you're lazy you can also keep it in one module, that way the CSS will be delivered twice
[14:00:40] <RoanKattouw>	 Which isn't super nice but not the end of the world
[14:02:43] <hashar>	 hi Sam & Roan :-)
[14:03:48] <Reedy>	  ohai
[14:04:31] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) After saving edition Mediawiki returns to wrong section - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34225  (10Roan Kattouw)
[14:07:15] <codurr>	 03johnduhart * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110933> 10/trunk/extensions/CategoryTree/ (CategoryTree.php CategoryTreeFunctions.php): Followup r98500, fixes flash of unstyled content
[14:08:13] <Reedy>	 johnduhart: svn add
[14:08:26] <Reedy>	 oh, wait
[14:08:27] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) XSS vulnerability scanner false positives - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34257  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[14:08:47] <johnduhart>	 Reedy: hurr
[14:08:47] <codurr>	 durr
[14:09:05] <Reedy>	 i see you just moved all of the css :p
[14:09:19] <johnduhart>	 Yeah I just moved the CSS to its own module
[14:14:33] <codurr>	 New code comment: ^demon; s/Virtual/virtual/ -- it's not a proper noun :); <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110928#c30586>
[14:16:12] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) VIPS out of memory on large (>100 Mpx) non-progressive JPEG - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/32721  +comment (10John Cupitt)
[14:16:56] <wikibugs_>	 03(NEW) Error: event is undefined - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34267 normal; MediaWiki: Javascript; (mybugs.mail)
[14:17:50] <sumanah>	 OrenDsk: OrenOf - will you be at Wikimania?
[14:18:03] <codurr>	 New code comment: ^demon; Well if you're only looking at a single case, I don't see the point of using GENDER at all. Even if ; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110909#c30587>
[14:19:41] <Reedy>	 which is the 2nd biggest wiki?
[14:19:52] <Reedy>	 dewiki?
[14:20:08] <^demon>	 commons?
[14:20:19] <sumanah>	 Reedy: dewiki I believe
[14:20:52] <Reedy>	 dewiki has 45 million more revision rows than commons
[14:21:12] <Reedy>	 372 million less than enwiki
[14:21:37] <wikibugs_>	 03(NEW) Polish Planet Wikimedia stopped updating - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34268 normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (danny.leinad)
[14:21:47] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Polish Planet Wikimedia stopped updating - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34268  (10Leinad)
[14:22:38] <sumanah>	 Reedy: ok, so you are definitely asking about size in terms of DB, not in terms of # of pages, readers, editors, or the like
[14:22:51] <Reedy>	 yup
[14:24:42] <^demon>	 tlhwiki!
[14:29:01] <wikibugs_>	 14(DUP) Ability to hide bot edits on history page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34265  +comment (10Chad H.)
[14:29:03] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) filter history of edits on bots (hidebots=1) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/16228  +comment (10Chad H.)
[14:30:14] <sumanah>	 Lcawte|Away: Just wanted to remind you that you can apply for a Wikimania travel subsidy: https://wikimania2012.wikimedia.org/wiki/Scholarships  and the deadline is 16 February.  
[14:30:22] <codurr>	 03hashar * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110934> 10/trunk/phase3/includes/filerepo/backend/FSFileBackend.php:
[14:30:22] <codurr>	 rtrim() call does not pass by reference!
[14:30:22] <codurr>	 fix r110923
[14:30:24] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Error: event is undefined - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34267  (10mybugs.mail)
[14:34:20] <wikibugs_>	 03(NEW) (un)categorization actions should get logged - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34269 enhancement; MediaWiki: Categories; (a.d.bergi)
[14:35:14] <sumanah>	 gwicke: well, I see new people have popped up on wikitext-l who have never read our VE plans!
[14:35:51] <gwicke>	 sumanah: yep, but they seem to slowly read up a bit
[14:36:00] <sumanah>	 Yeah.
[14:36:13] <gwicke>	 but they happily propose the same things we are already doing
[14:36:21] <gwicke>	 so I count that as a good thing
[14:36:27] <gwicke>	 ;)
[14:36:30] <sumanah>	 gwicke: the newest one, Doerr, should probably get pointed to the wiki pages.... shall you do that or shall I?
[14:36:36] <sumanah>	 yes!  that is a good thing for sure!
[14:36:51] <gwicke>	 go ahead!
[14:36:55] <sumanah>	 ok.
[14:37:00] <gwicke>	 thanks!
[14:40:51] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Schema changes for 1.19 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34104  +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[14:42:30] <sumanah>	 gwicke: sent.
[14:43:12] <RoanKattouw>	 Jinx!
[14:43:13] <gwicke>	 sumanah: I guess we should set up a FAQ at some stage
[14:43:24] <RoanKattouw>	 I was eating lunch, not paying attention to IRC and posted a similar reply at the same time
[14:43:35] <sumanah>	 RoanKattouw: yeah, but they are SO DIFFERENT it is laughable
[14:43:43] <sumanah>	 Roan: "you're wrong and didn't read carefully"
[14:43:46] <sumanah>	 Sumana: "welcome!"
[14:44:08] <RoanKattouw>	 My observation exactly
[14:44:43] <sumanah>	 it's probably cheaper to hire people with empathy than to try to train people whose temperaments don't go that way
[14:44:53] <sumanah>	 (she said wryly)
[14:45:01] <RoanKattouw>	 heh
[14:45:14] <RoanKattouw>	 I wasn't intending to sound angry or say "you're wrong"
[14:45:30] * gwicke  didn't read it that way either

[14:45:43] <sumanah>	 but of course to the "I'm new" guy that is what is going to come across, usually - you both are outliers.
[14:46:57] <gwicke>	 yeah, focusing on the factual level- and mostly ignoring other aspects of the message..
[14:47:16] <RoanKattouw>	 If someone says "I'm new here, and I propose X", then I think "One step ahead of you, we've decided to do X yesterday, see [link]" is an appropriate response
[14:47:19] <sumanah>	 'I'm new' is a fact
[14:47:22] <RoanKattouw>	 (although mine was quite brief)
[14:47:48] <sumanah>	 "and I wish to help out here" is also a fact
[14:48:12] <sumanah>	 that's the fact I responded to more effectively :-)
[14:48:22] <gwicke>	 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_sides_model
[14:48:48] <sumanah>	 ahh, so you are using "fact" in a nonstandard way
[14:49:22] * sumanah  files away model for thinking, possible use

[14:49:34] <gwicke>	 that is so far my favorite model of different aspects of messages
[14:49:45] <sumanah>	 you know the Gricean maxims, gwicke?
[14:50:00] <gwicke>	 I don't think so
[14:50:11] <sumanah>	 that's one that helps explain why "you should have already known that" is such a hostile thing to say, to most people
[14:50:21] <sumanah>	 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gricean_maxims
[14:50:52] <sumanah>	 but I'll have to consider the 4-sides bit.
[14:51:07] <sumanah>	 anyway, RoanKattouw, I figure as long as I can follow you around and clean up after you we're a good team :D
[14:51:23] <gwicke>	 I think the 4 sides thing is less concrete and more general
[14:52:30] * RoanKattouw  maintains he wasn't all that bitey, but whatever

[14:52:51] <sumanah>	 Alphos: hey, reminder -- you can apply for a Wikimania travel subsidy: https://wikimania2012.wikimedia.org/wiki/Scholarships  and the deadline is 16 Feb
[14:53:09] <sumanah>	 RoanKattouw: you are right, I've seen you more bitey
[14:53:13] <RoanKattouw>	 lol
[14:53:23] <[_White_]>	 Hi, everybody. :)
[14:53:53] <sumanah>	 hi [_White_] 
[14:54:04] <[_White_]>	 Hi, sumanah. :)
[14:54:40] <RoanKattouw>	 It bothers me that strictly factual responses tend to be viewed as emotionally negative by default (by people in general), but I'll just have to live with that
[14:55:02] <sumanah>	 Yep
[14:56:38] <gwicke>	 it can be mildly funny to tell people totally sensible things on the factual level, that still get them all riled up if presented in the right way
[14:56:56] <sumanah>	 HAHAHA gwicke is a troll!
[14:57:01] * sumanah  is not amused

[14:57:03] <^demon>	 RoanKattouw: The problem is people have emotions. We should file a bug for that :)
[14:57:43] * gwicke  avoids that pleasure these days, hopefully at least

[14:57:47] <sumanah>	 thank you
[14:58:17] <sumanah>	 ^demon: hey, so, johnduhart mentioned something to me
[14:58:24] <sumanah>	 about the Wikimania extension you were working on?
[14:58:33] <codurr>	 New code comment: ^demon; We should add them if we're going to keep supporting code that none of us can read ;-); <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/109552#c30588>
[14:58:35] <sumanah>	 ^demon: is there a spec lying around somewhere?
[14:58:42] <^demon>	 No.
[14:59:05] <^demon>	 I was making it up as I went along. I told him the same thing when he said he wanted to work on it.
[14:59:10] <sumanah>	 ^demon: so, you were just going on your gut/experience?  OK if the answer is yes, just want to check....
[14:59:11] <sumanah>	 OK.
[14:59:18] <RoanKattouw>	 gwicke: I once read a book that asserted that "You are going to die" is a somewhat legally safe way of making a death threat, because it could be construed/explained as a statement of fact (all humans are going to die some day) rather than a threat
[14:59:34] <^demon>	 sumanah: I don't have any particular vested interest in how it's designed, so he can go crazy :)
[14:59:38] <codurr>	 03maxsem * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110935> 10/trunk/phase3/includes/installer/Installer.php: Sort extension names on those lame Linux file systems:)
[14:59:43] <sumanah>	 RoanKattouw: there's a related advertising-culture thing....
[15:00:05] <sumanah>	 RoanKattouw: basically, nearly no ad you see can mention the reader's mortality, because people hate being reminded that they will die
[15:00:13] <gwicke>	 RoanKattouw: the focus on the legal aspect sounds somewhat American
[15:00:16] <RoanKattouw>	 hehe
[15:00:20] <RoanKattouw>	 True, American book
[15:00:30] <sumanah>	 shut up, we invented freedom
[15:00:34] * sumanah  is joking

[15:00:36] <^demon>	 My law professor said he plans to finish the semester by explaining a method by which we could sue our parents letting us be born.
[15:00:39] <^demon>	 I can't wait :)
[15:00:45] * gwicke  likes the dihydron monoxide hoax

[15:00:56] <gwicke>	 dihydrogen monoxide even
[15:01:00] <RoanKattouw>	 Basically what happens in the book is the threatened politician's staff goes "we're not sure this is prosecutable"
[15:01:05] <sumanah>	 ^demon: ok.  So, the point of the extension is "make a MediaWiki installation into a Wikimania wiki"
[15:01:39] <^demon>	 sumanah: Well, it was to manage registration, talk submission/voting, etc.
[15:03:06] <sumanah>	 Daniel_WMDE: what is "Verein" (mentioned in DaB.'s latest mail)?
[15:04:01] <RoanKattouw>	 sumanah: A legal incorporation type in Germany, sort of like a foundation
[15:04:15] <gwicke>	 or an association
[15:04:18] <codurr>	 New code comment: ^demon; They are sorted according to the filesystem?; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110935#c30589>
[15:04:32] <RoanKattouw>	 Yeah
[15:05:12] <sumanah>	 ok, so, not a person I've never heard of named Verein :)
[15:05:12] <RoanKattouw>	 The difference between a foundation and a Verein is that the latter has members
[15:05:12] <sumanah>	 who mysteriously distributes money
[15:05:12] <gwicke>	 no, it is a legal person- not a natural one ;)
[15:05:12] <sumanah>	 ha!
[15:05:12] <RoanKattouw>	 sumanah: No. Maybe it's because of the capitalization? German capitalizes all nouns
[15:05:26] <sumanah>	 RoanKattouw: I've noticed that habit in German speakers who infrequently write English, of course.
[15:05:33] <RoanKattouw>	 Ah, right
[15:10:21] <sumanah>	 DaB. referred to "the Verein" so I also thought it might be a slur
[15:10:21] <sumanah>	 although that was exceedingly unlikely
[15:10:21] <^demon>	 Siebrand Doesn't Like It When You Capitalize Things.
[15:10:21] <sumanah>	 I Write In Newspaper Headlines!
[15:10:21] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Update key mapping in Narayam Gujarati transliteration - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34056  +comment (10santhosh.thottingal)
[15:10:21] * gwicke  DOES NOT LIKE ALL CAPS EITHER

[15:10:21] <codurr>	 New code comment: MaxSem; Yes, I observed unsorted extensions on Labs.; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110935#c30590>
[15:10:21] <sumanah>	 agreed - far less readable even in print.
[15:10:21] <^demon>	 BUT WHEN YOU USE CAPSLOCK YOU CAN SAVE TIME SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO PRESS SHIFT.
[15:10:21] * MaxSem  kills a bunch of kittens

[15:10:21] <^demon>	 S/SO/SINCE/
[15:10:21] <sumanah>	 johnduhart: ^demon: ok, added to https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Summer_of_Code_2012#Project_ideas along with some links to other open source conferenceware that also allows for open submissions
[15:10:21] <RoanKattouw>	 Syntax error: S is not a recognized operation
[15:10:22] <sumanah>	 hahaha
[15:10:22] <johnduhart>	 sumanah: Awesome.
[15:10:22] <chombium>	 hi I have an old wiki which uses the rdf extension http://svn.wikimedia.org/svnroot/mediawiki/branches/REL1_17/extensions/Rdf/. I see that the extension is obsolete and not maintained. Is there any other rdf extension compatible with this one which works on mw 1.17 and 1.18?
[15:10:22] <^demon>	 ROANKATTOUW: YOU'LL LIVE.
[15:10:22] <sumanah>	 ^demon: now that sounds like a threat!
[15:10:22] <RoanKattouw>	 Bah, I wish my IRC client hadn't pinged me on that, but it did
[15:10:22] <RoanKattouw>	 Stupid case-insensitivity
[15:10:22] <Daniel_WMDE>	 sumanah: it's the form of incorporation WMDE uses, and often used as a synonym for WMDE (just like "Foundation" for the WMF).
[15:10:22] <^demon>	 RoanKattouw: Glad to know I can ping you in all-caps now :)
[15:10:22] <sumanah>	 Daniel_WMDE: coooool, I have learned a Thing
[15:10:22] <Daniel_WMDE>	 sumanah: a looste translation would be "association", but it's actually a legal form based on a membership model. kind of like a political party without the politics. well... lots of politics, actually. 
[15:10:22] <chrismcmahon>	 rhythm123
[15:10:22] <sumanah>	 chrismcmahon: ???
[15:10:22] <chrismcmahon>	 sumanah: ww
[15:10:26] <Daniel_WMDE>	 sumanah: hah, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eingetragener_Verein
[15:12:00] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) add alias redirection in ml wikisource - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34183   +i18n +shell (10Santhosh Thottingal)
[15:12:04] <sumanah>	 chombium: hm, have you checked the Extension Matrix on mediawiki.org ?
[15:12:06] <kevindank>	 Is there a reason Mediawiki/Wikipedia makes it so difficult to upload images from the edit page
[15:12:22] <sumanah>	 kevindank: I assume the new visual editor will make this easier
[15:12:27] <sumanah>	 gwicke: do you know?
[15:12:34] <kevindank>	 is it that you dont want articles flooded with pictures or is it just it hasnt been added yet
[15:12:47] <Daniel_WMDE>	 sumanah: WMDE is an "eingetraqgener Verein" (e.V.) and also has charity status ("gemeinnützig" = "serving the public").  
[15:12:51] * Daniel_WMDE  stops lecturing now

[15:12:59] <gwicke>	 kevindank: I am not aware of concrete plans for it, but it is not impossible
[15:13:06] <^demon>	 Daniel_WMDE was the kind soul who explained GmbH to me :)
[15:13:20] <Daniel_WMDE>	 o really?
[15:13:26] <^demon>	 ~2 years ago.
[15:13:32] <RoanKattouw>	 Gemeinschaft mit b....er H...ung?
[15:13:35] <sumanah>	 Daniel_WMDE, were you drunk?
[15:13:39] * RoanKattouw  forgets

[15:13:39] <^demon>	 RoanKattouw: Yeah
[15:13:41] <Daniel_WMDE>	 possibly :)
[15:13:43] <Daniel_WMDE>	 that's easier, it's very similar to the "Ltd."
[15:13:47] <RoanKattouw>	 Yes
[15:14:01] <^demon>	 Ltd in the UK being LLC in the US.
[15:14:02] <RoanKattouw>	 LLC
[15:14:04] <^demon>	 Generally speaking
[15:14:13] <RoanKattouw>	 Unless it's a PLC
[15:14:23] <RoanKattouw>	 Ah, Plc
[15:14:29] <sumanah>	 kevindank: there are people who have that anti-picture prejudice in some wikis, I imagine? but no, I do not think the lack of easy "upload graphics" functionality in the edit screen is a matter of policy
[15:14:31] <Daniel_WMDE>	 RoanKattouw: "Gesellschaft mit beschränkter Haftung" = "COmpany with limited Liability"
[15:14:41] <gwicke>	 kevindank: afaik there is even some support for drag & drop in the latest contenteditable spec, it will just take a few years until that is supported everywhere ;)
[15:14:54] <gwicke>	 drag & drop uploading, that is
[15:15:28] <kevindank>	 Okay Thanks for the insight
[15:15:50] <chombium>	 sumanah: yes, I've checked the extension matrix, but I wanted to ask if someone knows an extension that is compatible with the mentioned one
[15:15:54] <kevindank>	 I mean editors like WYSIWYG/CKEditor add the feature but I didn't understand why there hasn't been a feature like that with Mediawiki yet
[15:16:15] <sumanah>	 kevindank: as so often, "because no one had time & inclination to do it"
[15:17:09] <sumanah>	 kevindank: you may have noticed that MediaWiki for most of its history grew like a fungus rather than having serious-faced business analysts draw up roadmaps and product feature lists
[15:17:52] * ^demon  wanders off to go encourage some more fungus to grow

[15:18:22] <Daniel_WMDE>	 chombium: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Collection
[15:18:31] <gwicke>	 kevindank: that should be mostly momentum, and perhaps some additional desire to avoid having a zillion near-identical images uploaded for each page rather than just referenced
[15:18:35] <Daniel_WMDE>	 sumanah: ^^ re pdf
[15:18:35] <sumanah>	 kevindank: for sad reference - did you know that right now, with work from GrafZahl, we're on a path to closing bug 189?  yes, an enhancement request that, if it were a person, it could probably sing and read bynow
[15:18:48] <sumanah>	 because of its age
[15:18:59] <sumanah>	 gwicke: ok, yes, true that
[15:19:01] <Daniel_WMDE>	 \o/ GrafZahl :)
[15:19:24] <sumanah>	 Daniel_WMDE: yes? I think chombium is asking about rdf
[15:19:36] <sumanah>	 unless I am missing some place recently one of us mentioned PDFs
[15:19:46] <RoanKattouw>	 sumanah: Likely he was referring to the fact that Graf Zahl is a Sesame Street character
[15:20:11] <RoanKattouw>	 (Count von Count)
[15:20:18] <sumanah>	 happy Sumana!  My household is in the midst of a Muppet revival.
[15:20:25] <Daniel_WMDE>	 chombium, sumanah: oops, sorry. why did i read pdf?
[15:20:37] <^demon>	 Someone should fix bug 6 without making the servers melt.
[15:20:40] <^demon>	 That'd be impressive ;-)
[15:20:42] <wikibugs_>	 03(NEW) Please upload smaller versions of the February 2012 WMF Monthly Metrics meeting video to Wikimedia Commons - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34270 normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (odder.wiki)
[15:20:53] <gwicke>	 kevindank: image fingerprinting might be good enough to help with duplication avoidance by the time we get there ;)
[15:21:02] <Daniel_WMDE>	 chombium: decent metadata-support for mediawiki is coming. there are 3 initiatives working on it.
[15:21:08] <Daniel_WMDE>	 i hope we can coordinate them :)
[15:21:11] <sumanah>	 me too!
[15:21:22] <sumanah>	 Daniel_WMDE: ok, um, what are they?  I keep forgetting at least 1
[15:21:24] <^demon>	 gwicke: We already do sha1 dupe detection on uploads.
[15:21:32] <codurr>	 03gwicke * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110936> 10/trunk/extensions/VisualEditor/modules/parser/ (5 files): (log message trimmed)
[15:21:32] <codurr>	 Enable support for general preprocessor functionality in attribute keys and
[15:21:32] <codurr>	 values. This includes comments, templates and template arguments.
[15:21:32] <codurr>	 This also replaces the specialized expansion logic in the TemplateHandler. The
[15:21:32] <codurr>	 removal of link validation lets one more parser test fail for now. External
[15:21:32] <codurr>	 link target validation will need to be implemented in the token stream handler
[15:21:33] <codurr>	 for links. This is noted as TODO in
[15:21:35] <^demon>	 So unless VisualEditor reinvents the uploading wheel, it should use that :)
[15:21:42] <Daniel_WMDE>	 sumanah: WMNL's GLAM think (need to talk to them!), Geodata, and Wikidata
[15:21:44] <gwicke>	 yah, but sha is useless if just the size changes
[15:21:55] <Daniel_WMDE>	 *thing
[15:22:02] * Daniel_WMDE  is apparently overexited and can't type

[15:22:21] <sumanah>	 Daniel_WMDE: ok, Europeana, yeah, I knew about that, and Wikidata, but Geodata? I sense that will be hell to Google for, point me to a summary?
[15:22:38] <chombium>	 Daniel_WMDE: nice to hear that, but i have a deadline to meet :)
[15:22:48] <Daniel_WMDE>	 ^demon: there was talk of histogram based fingerprinting at some point... i think that was NullC.
[15:22:54] <Daniel_WMDE>	 what happened to NullC anyway?
[15:22:54] <sumanah>	 gwicke: you're thinking like TinEye?
[15:23:14] <codurr>	 03ialex * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110937> 10/trunk/phase3/includes/profiler/Profiler.php: Fix comment, Profiler::getFunctionReport() no longer logs data itself.
[15:23:41] <gwicke>	 sumanah: nothing in particular, but I think some scale-independent hashing alrogithms were developed in the last years
[15:23:41] <Daniel_WMDE>	 sumanah: ask MaxSem or Tomasz. They are working on getting geo-corrdinates into the database
[15:23:51] <^demon>	 Daniel_WMDE: No clue.
[15:24:02] * sumanah  looks up NullC a.k.a. Gregory Maxwell

[15:24:26] <gwicke>	 all hail the RIA for fueling innovation
[15:24:44] <Daniel_WMDE>	 gwicke: as i said: NullC was experimenting with histogram based fingerprinting in, oh... 2006 or 2007? Remember him?
[15:24:52] <Daniel_WMDE>	 (or did i get the nick wrong?)
[15:24:53] <sumanah>	 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Gmaxwell seems active
[15:24:57] <Daniel_WMDE>	 hi JeroenDeDauw 
[15:25:06] <gwicke>	 Daniel_WMDE: I think I missed that back then
[15:25:14] <gwicke>	 and histogram might be a bit too primitive
[15:25:15] <MaxSem>	 sumanah, what do you want to know?
[15:25:31] <^demon>	 Greg still lurks on wikitech-l last I checked, but he's far from active.
[15:25:31] <JeroenDeDauw>	 Daniel_WMDE: ohi
[15:25:37] <sumanah>	 MaxSem: is there a summary somewhere public of your work on "Geodata"?
[15:25:44] <Daniel_WMDE>	 sumanah: oh right, that's him. havn't seen him active on the toolserver or the tech lists lately though. he used to be quite active. i think he has TS root access at some point.
[15:26:25] <MaxSem>	 sumanah, depends on what summary is needed:) my rough spec is https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Tfinc/GPS
[15:26:47] <Daniel_WMDE>	 ^demon: a shame, he got tons of good ideas. gwicke: ever talked to Gmaxwell? you to should get along nicely :)
[15:26:58] <Daniel_WMDE>	 or into a very interesting fight :D
[15:27:20] * gwicke  is totally peaceful

[15:27:26] <sumanah>	 MaxSem: ok.  This would be so people like Daniel_WMDE  and me can keep the three current metadata-in-MediaWiki initiatives straight in our heads -- Europeana partnership with GLAM, Wikidata (WMDE), and you
[15:27:41] <gwicke>	 Daniel_WMDE: will look out for him
[15:27:57] <Daniel_WMDE>	 gwicke: do that. gmaxwell aka nullc.
[15:27:58] <MaxSem>	 we've already discussed this with Daniel_WMDE
[15:28:01] <Daniel_WMDE>	 sumanah: i'm sure there's more :)
[15:28:17] <Daniel_WMDE>	 still didn't properly look through the list of chapter projects :/
[15:28:39] <sumanah>	 Daniel_WMDE: well, I think I have covered all of them with the exception of about 5 where Asaf is getting back to me
[15:29:03] <codurr>	 New code comment: Catrope; This is a bug, yes, but it's not a regression, because fallbacks weren't handled at all before. Can ; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/103763#c30591>
[15:29:37] <Daniel_WMDE>	 sumanah: do you have the link handy? else i'll dig it up...
[15:29:56] <sumanah>	 Daniel_WMDE: just a moment
[15:30:00] <MaxSem>	 sumanah, the problem is that most of these projects are going to be complete sometime in the future, where what time in 'some\ is not precisely known
[15:30:05] <sumanah>	 https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_chapters/Plans_2011-2012
[15:30:16] <sumanah>	 MaxSem: Yes, which is why it would be a good idea for them to coordinate a bit
[15:30:20] <MaxSem>	 my project will be ready soonish
[15:30:26] <Daniel_WMDE>	 sumanah: oh, on an unrelated note: had to give up on the categorytree bug. it's caused by it being ported to jquery. i know what's going wrong, but wasn't able to figure out why, or what would be the right way to fix it.
[15:30:27] <sumanah>	 MaxSem: like, next 3 months soonish?
[15:30:34] <Daniel_WMDE>	 documented my findings and assigned the bug to the list
[15:30:38] <MaxSem>	 yes, probably even sooner
[15:30:41] <sumanah>	 Daniel_WMDE: hexmode: see above re the CategoryTree bug
[15:31:54] <hexmode>	 sumanah: yes, I asked the guy who Daniel_WMDE said was probably responsible for the jquery update to look
[15:32:00] <sumanah>	 ok!
[15:32:27] <sumanah>	 Daniel_WMDE: hexmode is the one chasing the 1.19 deployment blocker bugs but thanks for the heads-up :-)
[15:32:52] <Daniel_WMDE>	 all good then :)
[15:33:33] <hexmode>	 Daniel_WMDE: In case you missed it yesterday: thanks for looking at the bug :)
[15:33:42] <Daniel_WMDE>	 np :)
[15:33:44] <sumanah>	 Daniel_WMDE: of the chapters, I believe the only ones that absolutely have specific "yes we are working on Wikimedia technology" current activities are: Hungary, France, Switzerland, UK, Italy, Sweden, Netherlands.
[15:33:50] <Daniel_WMDE>	 categorytree badly needs a rewrite.
[15:34:07] <Daniel_WMDE>	 i wrote it as a hack in pre-api times... must have been 2006 or something
[15:34:21] <sumanah>	 Daniel_WMDE: for DC, Serbia, Spain, Portugal, and India, I think it's more just in the planning/ideas phase.
[15:34:47] <Daniel_WMDE>	 if only we could get them all to sit in a room and hack for a while :P
[15:34:53] <sumanah>	 Daniel_WMDE: well, that's the hope!
[15:35:00] <sumanah>	 Berlin!
[15:35:03] <Daniel_WMDE>	 indeed!
[15:35:15] <sumanah>	 (and I did not mention Germany, but, like, duh)
[15:36:12] <sumanah>	 so, 8 chapters, all of which are in western Europe with the exception of Hungary, which is still not too far from Berlin.  so, maybe this can actually work, to get people from all of them to Berlin for the hackathon
[15:38:55] <wikibugs_>	 03(NEW) signature length in lqt is too short - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34271 normal; MediaWiki extensions: LiquidThreads; (mah)
[15:43:43] <Lcawte>	 This sounds interesting...
[15:46:44] * gwicke  considers radically cleaning up https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Future to avoid confusing people

[15:46:56] <wikibugs_>	 03(NEW) If a message was in wmf-branch and isn't in trunk (and developers expect it to fall back to en), it cannot be updated by LU. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34272 normal; MediaWiki extensions: LocalisationUpdate; (liangent)
[15:47:09] <OrenOf>	 sumanah: I'd like like to come to WikiMania I'll be sending a scholarship request and see how things go from there - getting a visa takes a abit of time and it requires travel arrangements as well 
[15:47:22] <sumanah>	 gwicke: that sounds like a good idea
[15:47:29] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) PHPUnit test suite leaks temporary data - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33987  +comment (10hashar)
[15:47:33] <sumanah>	 gwicke: maybe on your 20% day? it's community service after all
[15:47:34] <codurr>	 New code comment: Liangent; Done. bug 34272.; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/103763#c30592>
[15:47:51] <gwicke>	 sumanah: I am writing documentation throughout the week really
[15:47:53] <sumanah>	 OrenOf: ok! good luck. just wanted to alert you 
[15:47:56] <sumanah>	 gwicke: good choice 
[15:48:12] <gwicke>	 but now that we are supposed to do stand-ups, I might just throw it all in a queue ;)
[15:49:28] <OrenOf>	 sumanah: 10x btw I committed the last installment of my vacation dev last night 
[15:50:02] <RoanKattouw>	 OrenOf: You're Hungarian, right? You don't need a visa if you're a citizen of one of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visa_waiver_program#Eligible_countries
[15:50:15] <OrenOf>	 I'm Israeli
[15:50:32] <OrenOf>	 I'm .25 hungarian though
[15:50:40] <RoanKattouw>	 Hmm, yeah apparently Israel is "on the roadmap" for that program but not in it yet
[15:51:06] <sumanah>	 OrenOf: cheers!
[15:51:23] <codurr>	 03hashar * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110938> 10/trunk/phase3/includes/filerepo/ (12 files in 4 dirs): enhance filerepo doc structure
[15:52:31] <OrenOf>	 Hungary's  Malev went out of business this week http://www.malev.com/index_en.htm
[15:52:44] <RoanKattouw>	 :O
[15:53:01] <OrenOf>	 this was the main carrier for travell in and out of Hungary
[15:53:12] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Please upload smaller versions of the February 2012 WMF Monthly Metrics meeting video to Wikimedia Commons - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34270  +comment (10sam)
[15:53:53] <codurr>	 03reedy * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110939> 10/trunk/tools/make-wmf-branch/default.conf: Add another revision to patch in, add comment about r97509
[15:58:28] <OrenOf>	 anyhow I usually travel by ElAl so I was not setback - but they have about 760,000 outstanding tikets which won't  be refunded....
[15:59:32] <Daniel_WMDE>	 o_O
[15:59:36] <Daniel_WMDE>	 that's a lot of tickets
[15:59:48] <sumanah>	 oh no! those poor people
[16:03:11] <OrenOf>	 I agree - most people can get 25% back (that's the taxes)
[16:05:10] <wikibugs_>	 03(NEW) get ride of dtrace example scripts - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34273 minor; MediaWiki: Maintenance scripts; (hashar)
[16:05:13] <OrenOf>	 I got lots of relations in Washington area ...
[16:05:35] <OrenOf>	 so it would be great to visit them too ;-)
[16:06:17] <sumanah>	 :-)
[16:06:44] <OrenOf>	 sumanah: do you have skype I want to chat about a couple of things and voice would be more convenient
[16:07:03] <sumanah>	 OrenOf: I do, let me see whether now is a good time
[16:07:30] <OrenOf>	 It would be better in about 30 minutes
[16:08:18] <sumanah>	 OrenOf: that works for me
[16:08:30] <OrenOf>	 great
[16:09:16] <sumanah>	 also, OrenOf, if you know any college or graduate students, you might let them know that we will probably be participating in Google Summer of Code this year, which gives students paid internships to work on open source software.  https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Summer_of_Code_2012
[16:09:26] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) get ride of dtrace example scripts - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34273  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[16:10:26] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) manualthumb broken? - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34194  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[16:10:59] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) first item in the history shows no information about its size - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34198  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[16:11:37] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) noc.wikimedia.org should support HTTPS - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/23004  +comment (10dzahn)
[16:12:54] <hashar>	 colordiff -u \
[16:12:55] <hashar>	 --label INGROUP \<(ack @ingroup |cat | cut  -d\  -f4| sort | uniq) \
[16:12:55] <hashar>	 --label DEFGROUP \
[16:12:55] <hashar>	 <(ack @defgroup |cat | cut  -d\  -f4| sort | uniq)
[16:13:00] <hashar>	 rrrr sorry bout that
[16:13:04] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) words in place names in an RTL script appear in the wrong order on the maps - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34201  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[16:14:21] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Commons: multiple uploads fail - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34206  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[16:14:54] <darkowlzz>	 how do I download an extension from svn? 
[16:15:18] <codurr>	 New code comment: Catrope; Yeah, it's not the cleanest code I ever wrote, but it's needed because the asynchronous nature of th; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110592#c30593>
[16:15:26] <yuvipanda>	 darkowlzz: read http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Download_from_SVN?
[16:17:44] <darkowlzz>	 yuvipanda, so for example I want to download http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Strip_Markup, what should be my url?
[16:17:48] <codurr>	 New code comment: Catrope; As it should have. I've added comments to this file before saying it should be totally rewritten. Ho; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110568#c30594>
[16:18:10] <^demon|away>	 darkowlzz: http://svn.wikimedia.org/svnroot/mediawiki/trunk/extensions/FooExtension
[16:18:35] <^demon|away>	 But that extension doesn't look like it's in SVN
[16:19:02] <darkowlzz>	 ^demon|away, so where can I get it from?
[16:19:15] <^demon|away>	 Well, that extension page seems to have a link to a patch on BZ.
[16:19:20] <^demon|away>	 I don't see anywhere else to get it from
[16:19:25] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Sidebar ignores templates in MediaWiki 1.18 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33766  (10carchaias)
[16:20:41] <OrenOf>	 hashar: there are lots of new thing in Jenkins  - are they all different projects ?
[16:21:09] <hashar>	 OrenOf: some are just tests I have done
[16:21:18] <hashar>	 OrenOf: I should delete them though :D
[16:21:33] <wikibugs_>	 03(NEW) Regression: deleting a page shows "someone has already deleted this page" error - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34274 normal; MediaWiki: Deleting; (niklas.laxstrom)
[16:21:47] <darkowlzz>	 ^demon|away, there is a bug reported on the same extension, how can anyone fix it then?
[16:22:02] <OrenOf>	 they slow things down some times
[16:22:07] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) importScript, importScriptURI, and addPortletLink errors - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34147  +comment (10mah)
[16:22:24] <^demon|away>	 darkowlzz: I have no idea...there's no way to maintain an extension posted like that.
[16:22:39] <^demon|away>	 hashar: on jenkins: s/WiktionayMobile/WiktionaryMobile/
[16:22:43] <hashar>	 OrenOf: looks like I have already deleted my experimentations. The only ones left are the "GIT testing" and the mw-checkout-trunk
[16:23:23] <OrenOf>	 I see
[16:23:24] <^demon|away>	 CodeSniffer should be folded into the analysis build too, IMO
[16:23:27] <hashar>	 the  *Mobile* jobs are building the Android nightly snapshots made available from http://integration.mediawiki.org/
[16:23:31] <yuvipanda>	 darkowlzz: fix and re-attach to same bug report? :)
[16:23:46] <hashar>	 ^demon|away: I will split the tests
[16:24:17] <hashar>	 CodeSniffer will be made later though
[16:24:19] <OrenOf>	 I think that all things on the Jenkins should be cool
[16:24:28] <darkowlzz>	 yuvipanda, fixing without codes?
[16:25:00] <OrenOf>	 If there is interest I can put MWdumper into CI using maven
[16:25:28] <yuvipanda>	 darkowlzz: there's a link in that extension page that says 'download'
[16:25:58] <^demon|away>	 OrenOf: Only if you plan to start supporting it again. No point in doing CI if it's going to remain in the same abandoned state brion left it in :)
[16:26:15] <OrenOf>	  I offered to a while back
[16:26:44] <wikibugs_>	 03(FIXED) Please upload smaller versions of the February 2012 WMF Monthly Metrics meeting video to Wikimedia Commons - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34270  +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[16:26:55] <darkowlzz>	 yuvipanda, but that goes to a common download page, not to the particular extension download page
[16:27:10] <yuvipanda>	 darkowlzz: takes me to https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8161
[16:27:50] <darkowlzz>	 oh!
[16:28:17] <OrenOf>	 The "demon" part of the indexer should be either similar to MWdumper or PHP based
[16:28:27] <darkowlzz>	 got it, thanks yuvipanda , ^demon|away 
[16:28:38] <yuvipanda>	 darkowlzz: :)
[16:29:15] <OrenOf>	 so as I see it I could start maintining it
[16:29:33] <OrenOf>	 it is a dependency of Search3 
[16:30:27] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Lucene results order when lucene scores are equivalent can vary - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/32026  +comment (10josowski)
[16:30:43] <yuvipanda>	 heya sumanah! Thanks for the wishes :)
[16:30:51] <sumanah>	 :-)
[16:34:48] <OrenOf>	 ^demon|away: putting MWdumper into CI would be useful in other ways as well
[16:35:39] <sumanah>	 hexmode: how should I mark https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33691 to indicate that it probably ought to be reviewed before we put a new release out?
[16:36:12] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Sidebar ignores templates in MediaWiki 1.18 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33766  (10carchaias)
[16:36:16] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Add a link to Special:UserRights to Toolbox on user pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34040  +comment (10Aashish Mittal)
[16:36:16] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) PHP Warning on showing Release Notes due to the fact that file does not exist - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33691  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[16:36:39] <hexmode>	 sumanah: I've set milestone on it to "1.19 release"
[16:36:52] <sumanah>	 ok, thank you hexmode 
[16:38:59] <sumanah>	 chrismcmahon: oh, you speak some German!
[16:39:37] <sumanah>	 judging by https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110883
[16:39:45] <chrismcmahon>	 sumanah: Ich spreche nur ein bisschen Deutsch.  I'm way out of practice.  at one point I was pretty good. 
[16:39:49] <codurr>	 New code comment: Aaron Schulz; Does @copydoc work for our doxygen? If so, a lot more @see statements could be switched over.; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110938#c30595>
[16:40:11] <sumanah>	 chrismcmahon: my Russian reached its peak in August 2001, my last day in Sankt-Piterburg.  All downhill from there.
[16:40:33] <codurr>	 New code comment: Hashar; It works for me. Not sure our good old version does :/ Something to look at later probably.; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110938#c30596>
[16:40:53] <sumanah>	 But knowing Cyrillic comes in handy sometimes, like yesterday when I was skimming some chapters' websites trying to figure out where their project pages were.
[16:40:58] <sumanah>	 (Google Translate to the rescue.)
[16:41:05] <RoanKattouw>	 chrismcmahon: I'm just impressed I just witnessed an American write a coherent sentence in German
[16:41:07] <sumanah>	 thank you hexmode 
[16:41:14] <chrismcmahon>	 sumanah: about 20 years ago, on a train headed north, a German mistook my accent for Dutch.  it's been downhill since then. 
[16:41:44] <sumanah>	 RoanKattouw: yeah yeah
[16:42:05] <chrismcmahon>	 RoanKattouw: Danke! Es ist ein lange Zeit, seit ich Deutch gesprochen haben.  
[16:42:29] * RoanKattouw  promises to stop bashing Americans' unilinguality once he moves there

[16:42:50] <sumanah>	 RoanKattouw: you realize that when you get your US visa you will forget all other languages but English, America's Tongue?
[16:42:51] <sumanah>	 sorry
[16:42:54] <sumanah>	 it was in the fine print
[16:43:04] <RoanKattouw>	 sumanah: And turn brown on the spot, I know :)
[16:43:28] <sumanah>	 RoanKattouw: ?? Turn brown?  Is this a magical thing or a race thing or other?
[16:43:36] <johnduhart>	 lol
[16:43:37] <sumanah>	 or a UPS thing?
[16:43:39] <RoanKattouw>	 A race thing, you said this to me
[16:43:57] <RoanKattouw>	 "Are you getting an H-1B?" "Yes" "Oh, so you'll turn brown instantly when you get it"
[16:44:06] <sumanah>	 ohhh because it's an H1B 
[16:44:07] <sumanah>	 ha
[16:44:18] * sumanah  laughs at previous self

[16:44:18] <RoanKattouw>	 (misquoted but that should be a sufficiently accurate paraphrase)
[16:44:21] <sumanah>	 I must have been in such a silly mood that I have completely forgotten this
[16:44:37] <RoanKattouw>	 This was at Irish Bank
[16:44:42] <wikibugs_>	 14(INVALID) Commons: multiple uploads fail - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34206  +comment (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[16:45:21] <sumanah>	 I am simply prolific enough with my bon mots that I forget some of them
[16:45:26] * sumanah  tosses hair

[16:45:40] * sumanah  does not succeed because hair is about 3 cm long

[16:45:50] <RoanKattouw>	 chrismcmahon: Vielleicht diese Frühling in Berlin?
[16:46:16] <chrismcmahon>	 RoanKattouw: I've never been to Berlin, that'd be fun :)
[16:46:36] <chrismcmahon>	 RoanKattouw: I lived in Vienna a couple of summers as a kid. 
[16:46:47] <sumanah>	 RoanKattouw: also note that chrismcmahon is a musician
[16:46:48] <RoanKattouw>	 There's gonna be a WMDE event there
[16:46:51] <RoanKattouw>	 Ah, nice
[16:46:51] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) If a message was in wmf-branch and isn't in trunk (and developers expect it to fall back to en), it cannot be updated by LU. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34272  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[16:47:07] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) If a message was in wmf-branch and isn't in trunk (and developers expect it to fall back to en), it cannot be updated by LU. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34272  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[16:47:30] <chrismcmahon>	 thanks sumanah yes, I'm a pretty decent jazz bass player.  and some ukulele on the side. 
[16:47:48] <sumanah>	 chrismcmahon: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki_developer_meetings for some slight scheduling on upcoming events -- you will not go to all of them
[16:48:24] <sumanah>	 chrismcmahon: the Vienna childhood!  I am imagining you with a powdered wig & a harpsichord
[16:48:34] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Opening a saved page crashes the app - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34207  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[16:48:52] <chrismcmahon>	 sumanah: nah, I was a punk :)
[16:48:58] <sumanah>	 a powdered mohawk then
[16:49:11] <sumanah>	 :)
[16:49:40] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) importScript, importScriptURI, and addPortletLink errors - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34147  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[16:50:04] <codurr>	 03hashar * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110940> 10/trunk/phase3/maintenance/benchmarks/ (8 files): Fix doc for maintenance/benchmarks
[16:53:32] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Proofread extension JS loading fully broken on 1.19 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33873  +comment (10Roan Kattouw)
[16:54:06] <seppo14>	 hello… short question: how do I enable the "add section" button on all pages by default? on some of my pages it appears and on some it does not. using the NEWSECTIONLINK helps but I don't want to add this to every page...
[16:54:24] <seppo14>	 google & documentation doesn't say anything about it 
[16:55:59] <codurr>	 03hashar * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110941> 10/trunk/phase3/maintenance/ (12 files in 3 dirs): Fix doc for maintenance/
[16:56:36] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) generateSitemap.php / --server: add error message - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34208  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[16:57:24] <seppo14>	 … or perhaps I don't understand why the link is shown on some pages (even without NEWSECTIONLINK) and on some not
[16:58:55] <codurr>	 03hashar * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110942> 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ (3 files in 2 dirs): fix doc grouping for actions
[17:00:24] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) CSV export incorrect offset - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33910  +comment (10Tony Boyles)
[17:01:23] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) upload protection doesn't work for reverts → edit wars can continue if not also edit protection is used - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34209  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[17:01:57] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) importScript, importScriptURI, and addPortletLink errors - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34147  (10mybugs.mail)
[17:02:35] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) importScript, importScriptURI, and addPortletLink errors - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34147  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[17:03:49] <codurr>	 03hashar * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110943> 10/trunk/phase3/includes/upload/ (6 files): Fix doc for includes/upload
[17:06:29] <hexmode>	 WTF? snow? it hasn't snowed since October!
[17:06:41] <hexmode>	 well, ok, maybe flurries
[17:06:52] <^demon|away>	 s/since October/all winter/
[17:07:06] * RoanKattouw  looks at the snow that's been here since like Feb 1

[17:07:08] <^demon|away>	 Though there's a possibility of flurries saturday :)
[17:08:29] <wikibugs_>	 03(NEW) Languages with low localisation level and a fallback, show the fallback localisation - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34275 major; MediaWiki extensions: LocalisationUpdate; (robinp.1273)
[17:10:58] <hexmode>	 I would miss these flurries if I weren
[17:11:07] <hexmode>	 't sitting right in front of my window
[17:13:11] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Initial focus on Special:Block is nowhere - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34211  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[17:14:45] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) #get_web_data / #for_external_table don't work with JSON format (output from Special:Ask) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34214  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[17:16:48] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Template magic for extracting text value of wiki markup - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34215  normal->15enhancement (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[17:19:07] <wikibugs_>	 14(INVALID) AutoWikiBrowser does not work on my wiki, it will work on other wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34216  +comment (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[17:19:14] <codurr>	 03jeroendedauw * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110944> 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/includes/queryprinters/SMW_QP_DSV.php: added sep as alias for separator
[17:19:32] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Several columns are not updated to newest DB scheme - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33736  (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[17:19:58] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Narayam not working in contenteditable div - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34220  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[17:20:04] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) generateSitemap.php / --server: add error message - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34208  (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[17:21:13] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Window resizing crashes VisualEditor if too small - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34224  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[17:21:38] <CYOAnewbie>	 Is it possible to redirect "discussion" tab to the basepagename discussion page?
[17:22:03] <OrenOf>	 sumanah: can you skype me sypename:orenbochman
[17:22:35] <sumanah>	 ok OrenOf , just a moment
[17:23:52] <CYOAnewbie>	 Does anyone know?
[17:25:43] <OrenOf>	 chrismcmahon: where are u located?
[17:25:50] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Uploads can end up with no file page, creating deletion and protection problems - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34228  summary; +comment (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[17:26:16] <chrismcmahon>	 OrenOf:  SW Colorado and/or northern New Mexico, USA
[17:26:36] <sumanah>	 OrenOf: lemme restart my Skype client, gimme a few minutes, sorry
[17:26:43] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Two file versions uploaded under the same file name in the same second - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34230  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[17:26:45] <OrenOf>	 sumanah: ok
[17:26:45] <OffGridOps>	 @Daniel_WMBD:  Spoke w/u awhile back about PPP extension not working.  See:  https://offgridops.org/foreclosurepedia/index.php/481-274663
[17:27:00] <sumanah>	 Daniel_WMDE you mean, OffGridOps?
[17:27:06] <OffGridOps>	 yeah sorry
[17:27:16] <OrenOf>	 chrismcmahon: is that a good place for a jazz jam
[17:27:17] <sumanah>	 OffGridOps: you might want to try tab completion in your IRC client
[17:27:20] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Beta opt-in and opt-out links on mobile site - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34232  normal->15enhancement (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[17:27:30] <OffGridOps>	 no clue what that is
[17:28:42] <chrismcmahon>	 OrenOf: good enough for me :)  I play for a little amateur quartet in Durango CO and another quartet that occasionally plays out in Santa Fe NM
[17:29:23] <hexmode>	 RoanKattouw_away: try http://en.wikisource.beta.wmflabs.org/wiki/Page:Wind_in_the_Willows_%281913%29.djvu/28?action=edit&debug=true w/o debug=true
[17:29:32] * hexmode  will also put that on the bug

[17:29:33] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Proofread extension JS loading fully broken on 1.19 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33873  +comment (10zaran.krleza)
[17:29:33] <OrenOf>	 neat - I'm a flute player - but my last teacher was both flute and bass
[17:29:50] <hexmode>	 what a combo!
[17:30:02] <Zaran>	 hexmode : haha nice :)
[17:30:48] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) UI polish for full-screen search on mobile site - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34233  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[17:31:01] <OrenOf>	 he was world onde day he was asked to come to NY and I never heard from him again :-)
[17:31:28] <OrenOf>	 he was a world class flautist - one day he was asked to come to NY and I never heard from him again :-)
[17:32:11] <wikibugs_>	 03(FIXED) user_token should automatically regenerate when NULL - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34237  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[17:32:32] <Dantman>	 Fun... I was just outside in shorts because the fire alarm went off.
[17:34:12] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) mwstore:// URLs appear in various error messages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34238  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[17:36:53] <Dantman>	 *sigh* And here I had planned to go back to sleep and rest a little more...
[17:37:31] <hexmode>	 Dantman: I was just outside barefoot to get the mail :)
[17:37:39] <Dantman>	 heh
[17:37:56] <Dantman>	 I guess not wearing socks, but having shoes on doesn't match that
[17:38:10] <hexmode>	 Did I mention there are snow flurries!?!
[17:38:13] <Dantman>	 hexmode: ;) But you didn't have to stay out there waiting for the fire department
[17:38:42] <hexmode>	 yeah, and even if I did they're down the street :)
[17:38:46] <hexmode>	 small town
[17:39:53] <hexmode>	 also, I'd bang on a neighbor's door -- "Can I watch my house burn from inside?"
[17:41:46] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) "cols" preference is redundant and should be removed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/24430  (10Chad H.)
[17:41:50] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Redirected Mobile pages do not have rel='canonical' links - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34240  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[17:43:06] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) unable to delete any page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34245  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[17:45:57] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) AutoWikiBrowser does not work on my wiki, it will work on other wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34216  +comment (10sam)
[17:48:21] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Special:Whatlinkshere does not show its summary message - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34246  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[17:49:08] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Incorrect links sent in email followup - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34247  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[17:49:35] <OffGridOps>	 sorry trying to figure out the tab feature
[17:51:27] <codurr>	 03jeroendedauw * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110945> 10/trunk/extensions/EducationProgram/ (6 files in 3 dirs): work on revision comments and logging
[17:52:15] <wikibugs_>	 14(DUP) [beta project] Delete broken (regression) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34252  +comment (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[17:52:15] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) unable to delete any page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34245  +comment (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[17:55:16] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) FileCache + Gzip outputs garbage - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34254  +comment (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[17:55:41] <RoanKattouw>	 hexmode: Thanks
[17:55:50] <MaxSem>	 hexmode, that "can't delete pages" is my screwup, fixing
[17:56:07] <hexmode>	 MaxSem: :) tyvm
[17:56:12] <hexmode>	 RoanKattouw: yw
[17:56:17] <RoanKattouw>	 hexmode: That's weird, the proofreadpage thing doesn't show a JS error, it just doesn't show the widget at all
[17:56:39] <Reedy>	 And it works fine locally
[17:56:46] <hexmode>	 RoanKattouw: as Zaran says, it doesn't look like it is sending the js at all
[17:57:05] <^demon|away>	 Reedy: As fine as it works generally speaking ;-)
[17:57:12] <Reedy>	 :D
[17:57:17] <Reedy>	 "It shows stuff"
[17:57:18] <Reedy>	 ;)
[17:57:58] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Filename not found - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34255  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[18:00:20] <RoanKattouw>	 Hmm
[18:00:26] <RoanKattouw>	 Reedy: So Proofread works for you locally?
[18:00:30] <RoanKattouw>	 The Gadgets bug also works for me locally
[18:00:33] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) bits.wm.o loading issues from Pakistan - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34256   +ops; +comment (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[18:02:29] <codurr>	 03jeroendedauw * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110946> 10/trunk/extensions/EducationProgram/includes/EPPageObject.php: comment out call to method which has gone missing o_O
[18:05:17] <barra_away>	 hola :-)
[18:05:45] <barra_away>	 I run a mediawiki for an OSS project and we have frequent spam issues
[18:06:08] <hexmode>	 !spam
[18:06:08] <mw-bot>	 For information about combating and handling spam in MediaWiki, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Combating_spam> and <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Anti-spam_features>.
[18:06:14] <codurr>	 03christian * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110947> 10/trunk/extensions/VisualEditor/modules/ve/ce/ve.es.Surface.js: using execcommand to undo cut - model controls mutation
[18:06:18] <barra_away>	 one of our users recently suggested to add a non standard form element to the registration process to confuse spam bots
[18:06:29] <barra_away>	 yep, I'm aware of this page, thanks hexmode :-)
[18:06:42] <hexmode>	 :)
[18:06:45] <barra_away>	 are there any extensions for this specific purpose?
[18:07:02] <hexmode>	 captcha?
[18:07:04] <sumanah>	 barra_away: so, a CAPTCHA sort of thing?
[18:07:08] <barra_away>	 (customizing the registration process so automated spambots won't get through it)
[18:07:19] <sumanah>	 barra_away: hmm, I see
[18:07:22] <sumanah>	 barra_away: not that I know of
[18:07:41] <hexmode>	 barra_away: why not captcha, though?
[18:07:44] <barra_away>	 we use math captcha right now
[18:07:49] <codurr>	 03maxsem * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110948> 10/trunk/phase3/includes/WikiPage.php: Fix my stupid mistake in r110750 that resulted in fake "can't delete page" errors (bug 34245)
[18:07:53] <sumanah>	 barra_away: if you ever watched Star Trek: The Next Generation, you might understand that I am thinking, "rotate the shield frequencies"
[18:08:00] <hexmode>	 math captcha is generally too simple
[18:08:10] <barra_away>	 I guess we could change it to something more sophisticated
[18:08:19] <barra_away>	 let me check the docs to see which other captchas are available
[18:08:32] <AaronSchulz>	 sumanah: doesn't work if fighting a Krenim ship
[18:08:35] <wikibugs_>	 03(FIXED) unable to delete any page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34245  +comment (10Max Semenik)
[18:08:55] <sumanah>	 AaronSchulz: Voyager's not canon
[18:08:57] <sumanah>	 (joke)
[18:09:03] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) XSS vulnerability scanner false positives - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34257  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[18:09:13] <AaronSchulz>	 sumanah: well, Threshhold isn't ;)
[18:09:42] <sumanah>	 AaronSchulz: oh, MAN, the salamander stuff
[18:09:57] <sumanah>	 just, like, no
[18:10:31] <gwicke>	 sumanah: I have slimmed down https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Future and moved the parser home to https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/New_parser
[18:11:03] <gwicke>	 hopefully Brion does not mind, as that was his playground
[18:11:16] <sumanah>	 flipzagging!  hi!
[18:12:35] <sumanah>	 gwicke: seems good to me although I am probably not the best test audience, guillom might be a better person to consult 
[18:12:59] <gwicke>	 sumanah: ok
[18:13:08] <MaxSem>	 RoanKattouw, how about deprecating stupid nonessential API formats, keeping just JSON, XML and PHP?
[18:13:57] <sumanah>	 neilk_: hi, welcome!  fun news: kevin_brown is working this week on the toolserver feed for ArchiveLinks
[18:13:57] <RoanKattouw>	 MaxSem: Yeah that should be fine
[18:14:03] <RoanKattouw>	 MaxSem: ...over time
[18:14:08] <wikibugs_>	 03(NEW) "Invalid argument" error when mw.util.addCSS is used and various modules are loaded - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34276 normal; MediaWiki: Javascript; (mybugs.mail)
[18:14:11] <sumanah>	 neilk_: and is in contact with the Internet Archive about it
[18:15:13] <MaxSem>	 RoanKattouw, I'll start a discussion in the mediawiki-api list
[18:15:16] <RoanKattouw>	 Ok
[18:15:30] <RoanKattouw>	 MaxSem: I'm fine with committing this right after 1.19 is branched, for instane
[18:15:43] <RoanKattouw>	 And announcing it on mediawiki-api-announce immediately. Should take a while before that goes live
[18:16:54] <MaxSem>	 I actually wanted to inform mediawiki-api-announce about the discussion first
[18:17:05] <MaxSem>	 then about deprecation
[18:17:14] <RoanKattouw>	 That sounds even better
[18:17:29] <RoanKattouw>	 Why don't you write up an announcement and I'll post it to -announce
[18:17:47] <RoanKattouw>	 (It's restricted, it'll reject posts from you)
[18:17:50] <MaxSem>	 RoanKattouw, okay
[18:19:36] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) "Invalid argument" error when mw.util.addCSS is used and various modules are loaded - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34276  (10mybugs.mail)
[18:21:06] <wikibugs_>	 14(INVALID) bits.wm.o loading issues from Pakistan - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34256  +comment (10Ben Hartshorne)
[18:23:32] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Special:Whatlinkshere does not show its summary message - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34246  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[18:28:17] <mllie>	 Is there only one extension for AD authentication?
[18:31:02] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) first item in the history shows no information about its size - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34198  +comment (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[18:31:42] <barra_away>	 we've set up a custom question captcha via confirmedit
[18:31:48] <barra_away>	 let's see if that works out
[18:39:57] <sumanah>	 barra_away: good luck!
[18:40:04] <sumanah>	 please share your solution with mediawiki-l, barra_away 
[18:40:07] <sumanah>	 !lists | barra_away 
[18:40:08] <mw-bot>	 barra_away: mediawiki-l and wikitech-l are the primary mailing lists for MediaWiki-related issues. See https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Mailing_lists for details.
[18:41:50] <Reedy>	 mllie: yes
[18:42:41] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) most ways to get list of users in Global groups broken - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34258  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[18:42:58] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Implement ResourceLoader 2.0 (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/29272  (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[18:43:08] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Global option to add a "my uploads" link to Special:MyUploads at the top right next to "my contributions" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/30915  +comment (10Aashish Mittal)
[18:43:15] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Implement 'dir' for query properties. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/26909  (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[18:43:30] <MaxSem>	 RoanKattouw, do you think we need rawfm?
[18:43:41] <RoanKattouw>	 What's that do again?
[18:43:45] <RoanKattouw>	 Oh, I remember
[18:43:51] <RoanKattouw>	 Nah that can die
[18:44:10] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Preferences should not use editToken - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33388  (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[18:44:11] <RoanKattouw>	 I think Yuri put it in for debugging the XML formatter
[18:44:16] <MaxSem>	 okay, I don't understand WTF it is anyway
[18:44:20] <RoanKattouw>	 But devs can use var_dump() fro that if they really need to
[18:44:30] <RoanKattouw>	 It's JSON but without _element stripped
[18:44:57] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Going to a non existent special page on a private wiki while not logged in causes backtace - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34259  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[18:45:15] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) API: add normalized info also for unicode normalization of titles - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/27849  (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[18:45:19] <mllie>	 Reedy: what options are there? at first authenticate against AD? import users? autologin with NTLM-authentication?
[18:46:28] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) generateSitemap.php / --server: not working - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34260  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[18:46:59] <Reedy>	 mllie: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Ldap I don't know off the top of my head, the author isn't here, so you would be best just reading the documentation
[18:47:43] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) [PrefixSearch] Namespace name part of prefix search query should not override given namespace id(s) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/22773  (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[18:51:30] <Reedy>	 hexmode: a lot of the stuff on the 1.19 milestone really shouldn't be
[18:52:44] <hexmode>	 Reedy: there are only ~5 bugs on the 1.19wmf milestone.  Do you mean the tarball one?
[18:52:55] <Reedy>	 Yeah 1.19 release
[18:53:07] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) update.php stuck on update revision on large db - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33558  +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[18:53:49] <hexmode>	 Reedy: yeah, I've been focused on wmf deployment so I haven't taken the time to cull the tarball list
[18:53:51] <hexmode>	 will do
[18:54:44] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) update.php stuck on update revision on large db - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33558  major->normal; +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[18:54:55] <Reedy>	 hexmode: per above, I've started
[18:55:08] <hexmode>	 Reedy: kk ty
[18:55:09] <Reedy>	 There were some feature requests which aren't going to be done before :D
[18:56:13] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Implement a way to set a canonical url in OutputPage - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/28602  normal->15enhancement (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[18:57:44] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Lowercase links red even if uppercase redirect exists - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34263  +comment (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[18:58:31] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) id t-print is missing in monobook skin - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34264  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[19:00:27] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) jquery.byteLimit should allow the limit to be reached - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/29804  (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[19:01:57] <ethanolj>	 Has anyone embedded a Google Fusion table into a MediaWiki?
[19:02:48] <wikibugs_>	 14(INVALID) Error: event is undefined - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34267  +comment (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[19:03:00] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) importScript, importScriptURI, and addPortletLink errors - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34147  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[19:04:40] <sumanah>	 K4-713: I emailed some fundraising folks to ask about the CiviCRM collaboration thing and cc'd you.
[19:05:38] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Polish Planet Wikimedia stopped updating - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34268  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[19:05:54] * tjf  wonders if there's an easy way to block edits from an address using xff

[19:06:02] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) signature length in lqt is too short - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34271  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[19:06:18] <K4-713>	 sumanah: Got it, thanks. :)
[19:07:46] <sumanah>	 chrismcmahon: so, https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/I18n and https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Internationalization_and_localization_tools will be a bit useful for you to see as you prepare for the 1.19 release
[19:08:04] <sumanah>	 specifically, chrismcmahon, the language support teams are coordinated by https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:GerardM 
[19:08:13] <chrismcmahon>	 thanks sumanah got it
[19:09:19] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) get ride of dtrace example scripts - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34273  minor->trivial (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[19:10:51] <sumanah>	 chrismcmahon: however a number of those folks will be out of contact for the next several days because of the Pune hackathon this weekend.
[19:10:59] <sumanah>	 or, as the webpage says, Pune!
[19:11:41] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Regression: deleting a page shows "someone has already deleted this page" error - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34274  +comment (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[19:12:44] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Languages with low localisation level and a fallback, show the fallback localisation - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34275  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[19:13:59] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Rename the als.*.org projects to gsw.*.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/23215  +comment (10robinp.1273)
[19:14:04] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) "Invalid argument" error when mw.util.addCSS is used and various modules are loaded - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34276  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[19:15:20] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) get rid of dtrace example scripts - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34273  summary; +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[19:16:04] <codurr>	 03catrope * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110949> 10/trunk/extensions/ProofreadPage/ (proofread.js proofread_article.js proofread_index.js):
[19:16:04] <codurr>	 (bug 33873) ProofreadPage JS wasn't loading on beta.wmflabs, probably because it
[19:16:04] <codurr>	 wasn't using $ aliasing and $ is (probably?) redefined there. Changing $ to
[19:16:04] <codurr>	 jQuery fixed it on beta.wmflabs so I guess that was the culprit then
[19:16:33] <gColossus>	 is there any permission that allow/disallow users to participate in *discussion*?
[19:19:24] <tale>	 gColossus: Do you mean talk page?
[19:19:35] <neothecat>	 newbie here.  i am used to using Dokuwiki, where if a link as a semicolon, you are automatically creating new namespaces and a hierarchical layout of the pages.  Is there a simple methodology like this in mediawiki?
[19:19:40] <gColossus>	 tale: no, i mean discussion page
[19:20:20] <tale>	 gColossus: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Talk_pages
[19:20:32] <gColossus>	 tale: as in like this https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Extension_talk:Semantic_Forms/Quick_start_guide&action=edit&redlink=1
[19:21:36] <gColossus>	 tale: ohh, i c
[19:21:52] <gColossus>	 so what if a user has edit priv
[19:21:56] <gColossus>	 and the talk page is already created
[19:22:04] <gColossus>	 can he participate in that talk/discussion?
[19:22:11] <tale>	 gColossus: Yes.
[19:22:20] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) $wgSharedDB PostgreSQL support - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/16794  +comment (10Sumana Harihareswara)
[19:22:27] <gColossus>	 tale: is there any way to restrict that?
[19:22:46] <tale>	 !protection
[19:22:46] <mw-bot>	 You can protect pages to prevent them from being edited by certain user groups. When a page is deleted, its protection is retained. You can protect non-existent pages since 1.12. For more info, see: <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Administrators#Protections>.
[19:22:49] <wikibugs_>	 03(FIXED) Proofread extension JS loading fully broken on 1.19 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33873  +comment (10Roan Kattouw)
[19:22:55] <RoanKattouw>	 hexmode: ---^^
[19:23:34] <gColossus>	 tale: cool :D
[19:23:39] <gColossus>	 tale: thx a lot :)
[19:24:16] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) get rid of dtrace example scripts - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34273  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[19:25:29] <jem->	 Hi, I'm getting mad with this: {{#if:{{{1|}}}|<noinclude>}}Text{{#if:{{{1|}}}|</noinclude>}} makes Text not included always, called with a parameter or not. Is this known, solvable?
[19:26:28] <codurr>	 03gregchiasson * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110950> 10/trunk/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5/api/ (2 files): AFT5 - silence a couple of PHP warnings by 1. not doing anything with filters when there aren't any to update, and 2. Fix the fetchRollup function to not require two extra argument that it wasn't even using.
[19:27:36] <mllie>	 Reedy: looks like it's working. Have you used it?
[19:32:33] <jem->	 Hmmm, anybody?
[19:33:31] <wikibugs_>	 03(FIXED) Article Feedback Page - Marked as helpful counter seems off - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34119  (10Greg Chiasson)
[19:37:38] <codurr>	 03reedy * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110951> 10/trunk/phase3/maintenance/dtrace/:
[19:37:39] <codurr>	 Bug 34273 - get rid of dtrace example scripts
[19:37:39] <codurr>	 diediediediediediediediediediediediediediediedie
[19:37:52] <MaxSem>	 RoanKattouw, message sent. I don't think that any long text for mediawiki-api-announcement is needed, just a "Some API formats may be removed, please participate in discussion if it concerns you", and a link to the discussion
[19:38:00] <wikibugs_>	 03(FIXED) get rid of dtrace example scripts - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34273  +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[19:39:03] <hexmode>	 RoanKattouw: tyvm
[19:39:23] <RoanKattouw>	 MaxSem: OK, thanks
[19:40:04] <Nikerabbit>	 Reedy: is everything fine?
[19:40:18] <Reedy>	 Nikerabbit: was everything broken before?
[19:40:32] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) XSS vulnerability scanner false positives - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34257  +comment (10maxsem.wiki)
[19:46:04] <mllie>	 Reedy: ?
[19:46:23] <Reedy>	 mllie: I've never really had a need to use it
[19:47:25] <Amgine>	 !e GeoData
[19:47:25] <mw-bot>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:GeoData
[19:47:44] <mllie>	 Reedy: where does wfDebugLog write?
[19:47:59] <Reedy>	  nowhere by default
[19:48:00] <Reedy>	 !debug
[19:48:00] <mw-bot>	 For information on debugging (including viewing errors), see http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:How_to_debug
[19:48:31] <codurr>	 03jeroendedauw * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110952> 10/trunk/extensions/EducationProgram/includes/ (4 files): work on logging and revisoning
[19:49:33] <mllie>	 Reedy: If I don't define a log file, there is nothing logged?
[19:49:44] <Reedy>	 Exactly
[19:50:02] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) importScript, importScriptURI, and addPortletLink errors - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34147  +comment (10mah)
[19:50:18] <Reedy>	 Anyone know what the gearman stuff is?
[19:50:22] <hexmode>	 RoanKattouw: ^^ how do you purge the startup module?
[19:50:30] <Reedy>	 touch it
[19:50:41] <hexmode>	 which file?
[19:50:51] <hexmode>	 I thought I had done that
[19:50:53] <Reedy>	 resources/startup.js?
[19:51:27] <RoanKattouw>	 No, that wasn't needed
[19:51:32] <RoanKattouw>	 I just purged the URL in Squid
[19:51:44] <hexmode>	 ugh
[19:51:47] <hexmode>	 squid
[19:51:55] <RoanKattouw>	 I'd already touched mediawiki.js (because I changed it), so it should have updated the cache in 5 mins anyway
[19:51:58] <RoanKattouw>	 But I was too lazy to wait
[19:52:06] <hexmode>	 RoanKattouw: ok, so How do I purge a specific url in squid?
[19:52:10] <RoanKattouw>	 So I used maintenance/purgeList.php to purge the startup module URL
[19:52:10] <codurr>	 03aaron * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110953> 10/trunk/ (3 files in 2 dirs):
[19:52:10] <codurr>	 Fixes for r96546 (bug 33167):
[19:52:10] <codurr>	 * Made LegacyLogFormatter try to respect the 'plaintext' parameter.
[19:52:10] <codurr>	 * Changed LogPage::addEntry() to use LogFormatter to get the action text as such calls to LogPage::actionText() are broken.
[19:52:10] <codurr>	 * Added comment to LogPage::actionText(). It's only OK to call this from the legacy log formatter, fetched via the proper factory functions.
[19:52:11] <codurr>	 * Converted CheckUser to using LogFormatter so that cuc_actiontext values work. Eventually, cuc_actiontext should be replaced with new cuc_params, cuc_log_type, and cuc_log_action fields, similar to the RC table.
[19:52:24] <codurr>	 03werdna * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110954> 10/trunk/extensions/ArticleCreationWorkflow/ (2 files in 2 dirs):
[19:52:24] <codurr>	 * Fix overwritten message.
[19:52:24] <codurr>	 * Fix gradients to be a bit less dramatic
[19:52:27] <RoanKattouw>	 hexmode: cat a newline-separated list of fully-qualified URLs into maintenance/purgeList.php
[19:52:41] <hexmode>	 excellent, tyvm
[19:52:51] <mllie>	 Reedy: still no logfile..
[19:54:02] <codurr>	 03aaron * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110955> 10/trunk/phase3/includes/logging/LogEntry.php: (bug 33374) - 'Deletion log summary not properly truncated'
[19:54:07] <wikibugs_>	 03(FIXED) Deletion log summary not properly truncated - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33374  +comment (10Aaron Schulz)
[19:54:18] <jem->	 Sorry to insist, but, can someone give me at least a clue about if my problem is solvable or not?
[19:54:42] <codurr>	 03jeroendedauw * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110956> 10/trunk/extensions/EducationProgram/resources/ep.pager.js: correctly pass along the comment arg
[19:55:39] <RoanKattouw>	 jem-: I don't think what you're trying to do is possible
[19:55:54] <wikibugs_>	 03(FIXED) Log entries broken due to LogPage::actionText() calls to logs with $wgLogActionHandler function callbacks - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33167  +comment (10Aaron Schulz)
[19:55:58] <Reedy>	 mllie: might need to touch/create the file first
[19:56:01] <RoanKattouw>	 Like, I don't think it's possible to conditionally generate <noinclude> templates using #if
[19:56:01] <hexmode>	 jem-: I don't know anything about templates but I would bet the parser is seeing <noinclude> and not seeing the text in between
[19:56:03] <Reedy>	 depending on permissions and stuff
[19:56:13] <RoanKattouw>	 Yeah, noinclude is processed before {{#if:}}
[19:56:17] <RoanKattouw>	 I mean, it has to be
[19:57:32] <codurr>	 New code comment: Aaron Schulz; Yeah, I was fixing other breakage first. I just fixes that problem now.; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/96546#c30602>
[19:57:58] <jem->	 Hmmm, Ok
[19:58:48] <codurr>	 03gregchiasson * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110957> 10/trunk/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5/modules/jquery.articleFeedbackv5/jquery.articleFeedbackv5.special.js:
[19:58:48] <codurr>	 AFT5: In flagFeedback, disable ajax requests while there's already one in
[19:58:48] <codurr>	 progress. Prevents a flurry of link clicks jacking up the counts, and at least
[19:58:48] <codurr>	 attempts to avoid a multiple requests piling up and interfering with each other.
[20:00:22] <hexmode>	 RoanKattouw: it looks like https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34195 isn't the same sort of thing
[20:01:21] <hexmode>	 I mean, I would guess a caching problem, but ...
[20:02:36] <DanielRenfro>	 I have a quite complex SQL statement (with a temporary table). What is the prefered method for running this SQL? 
[20:02:57] <jem->	 Ok, I'll try another workaround. Thanks anyone for the help :)
[20:03:14] <DanielRenfro>	 I don't think select() will work, and I want to be sure to catch table-prefixes and such when using query();
[20:03:17] <codurr>	 New code comment: Aaron Schulz; Weird, I read that as "equals" when I looked at it...; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110948#c30603>
[20:03:38] <RoanKattouw>	 DanielRenfro: Generate your table names using $db->tableName() ?
[20:03:41] <RoanKattouw>	 That'll do the prefixing
[20:04:16] <DanielRenfro>	 Awesome, are there any other considerations I should be aware of besides table-prefixes?
[20:04:25] <RoanKattouw>	 hexmode: That's probably the same problem as the ProofreadPage bug. Some extensions and some Gadgets are just assuming that $ == jQuery , but that's not necessarily true in the global namespace
[20:04:40] <wikibugs_>	 03(FIXED) Article Feedback Page - Flag as abuse counter shows very large numbers - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34101  +comment (10Greg Chiasson)
[20:04:53] <RoanKattouw>	 No one should ever use $ unless it's a local alias, à la (function($) { use $ here })(jQuery);
[20:05:11] <RoanKattouw>	 ProofreadPage was using $(document).ready(function_that_does_everything); without aliasing $ like that
[20:05:27] <RoanKattouw>	 So I changed that code to jQuery(function_that_does_everything); and it worked
[20:05:35] <hexmode>	 RoanKattouw: k, I'll bring that issue up in triage... I think a lot of people are depending on it w/o knowing
[20:05:45] <RoanKattouw>	 Possibly
[20:05:49] <hexmode>	 got to go pick up my daughter, bbl
[20:05:56] <RoanKattouw>	 And I think this even works in production mode, for ResourceLoaded thigns
[20:06:07] <RoanKattouw>	 But not in debug mode, and not for RL-less Gadgets
[20:06:17] <codurr>	 New code comment: Aaron Schulz; What was wrong with it before? Grouping by base class seemed OK.; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110942#c30604>
[20:06:40] <hexmode>	 RoanKattouw: could you poke into that bug to make sure?
[20:06:48] <hexmode>	 k, really leaving now
[20:09:56] <robla>	 Reedy: today a good day to branch?
[20:10:44] <RoanKattouw>	 If you branch today, please wait another half hour or so :)
[20:10:51] * RoanKattouw  is doing stuff in extensions/ArticleFeedback

[20:11:46] <hashar>	 !branch
[20:11:46] <mw-bot>	 http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Branch_points
[20:13:32] <AaronSchulz>	 RoanKattouw: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110836
[20:14:30] <RoanKattouw>	 $this->getTitle( '' ) ? Does that work?
[20:15:03] <mllie>	 Anyone that have used LDAP extension?
[20:15:18] <AaronSchulz>	 seems like it should
[20:15:19] <RoanKattouw>	 Hmm wait
[20:15:24] <AaronSchulz>	 function getTitle( $subpage = false ) {
[20:15:58] <RoanKattouw>	 huh
[20:16:04] <RoanKattouw>	 I don't see how getTitle() *wouldn't* work
[20:16:09] <AaronSchulz>	 return self::getTitleFor( $this->mName, $subpage );
[20:16:09] <RoanKattouw>	 Like, I thought it might append the existing subpage
[20:16:13] <RoanKattouw>	 But I don't see where that happens
[20:16:22] <AaronSchulz>	 yeah
[20:17:02] <Reedy>	 mllie: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:LDAP_Authentication/Options#Specifying_the_debug_file
[20:17:13] <mllie>	 Reedy: that is solved, another problem now
[20:17:13] <Reedy>	 robla: can't see why not
[20:17:20] <RoanKattouw>	 So I fail to see what problem is being solved here
[20:17:29] <Reedy>	 ask questions to the channel rather than just "has anyone used it?"
[20:17:54] <mw-jenkinsbot>	 Project MediaWiki-REL1_19-phpunit build #1: FAILURE in 1.1 sec: http://integration.mediawiki.org/ci/job/MediaWiki-REL1_19-phpunit/1/
[20:18:12] <hashar>	 Reedy: jenkins is ready to fetch REL1_19 :D
[20:18:32] <codurr>	 New code comment: Catrope; Are you afraid that getTitle() will produce something like <code>Special:Listusers/foo</code> ? Upon; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110836#c30605>
[20:18:52] <sijis>	 i'm trying to extend AuthPlugin. is there a way to update/change the CanocialName once in authenticate()? it seems that if $username is 'blah'.. i can't seem to change it to something else before it leaves that authenticate() method
[20:19:11] <hashar>	 c
[20:20:18] <codurr>	 03reedy * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110958> 10/trunk/phase3/maintenance/gearman/: Gearman stuff hasn't been touched in 3 years
[20:20:48] <hashar>	 Reedy: should we move it somewhere else? :D
[20:21:29] <AaronSchulz>	 http://stackoverflow.com/questions/20981/how-many-lines-of-code-is-too-many
[20:21:30] <AaronSchulz>	 'Let me tell you about long. I once worked on a project that had a source file with 40,000+ lines of code in it. It was over a megabyte. – George Oct 28 '10 at 1:37'
[20:21:43] <codurr>	 03catrope * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110959> 10/trunk/extensions/ArticleFeedback/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Revert most of r96722. The massive schema change was way overkill given that AFT is being rewritten (as AFTv5). Will reapply some of the saner parts later
[20:24:34] <RoanKattouw>	 Although is is probably a sarcastic comment, this happened to my coworker. He added two lines to a legacy VB function and the compiler wouldn't compile it anymore, as the length of the function exceeded what the compiler could handle. – Falcon Nov 17 '10 at 12:41
[20:34:33] <codurr>	 03aaron * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110960> 10/trunk/phase3/includes/filerepo/backend/SwiftFileBackend.php:
[20:34:33] <codurr>	 Bumped $maxContCacheSize to handle container sharding a bit better. However,
[20:34:33] <codurr>	 wikis large enough to need sharding would probably have sane 404 handling
[20:34:33] <codurr>	 anyway, which avoids the need to hit a bunch of containers in one request anyway
[20:34:33] <codurr>	 (like rendering thumbnails on parse).
[20:35:16] <sijis>	 is there a 'flow' of what methods get called in AuthPlugin?
[20:35:17] <codurr>	 New code comment: Aaron Schulz; The other two lines are whitespace cleanup.; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110960#c30607>
[20:37:45] <AaronSchulz>	 hashar: I wonder if the FileBackend class should be in it's own file...a trivial change of course
[20:38:03] <AaronSchulz>	 meh
[20:38:33] <hashar>	 AaronSchulz: isn't that one together with the FileBackendStore class ?
[20:38:38] <AaronSchulz>	 yes
[20:39:04] <AaronSchulz>	 the Store class and it's helper of course should be in the same file
[20:41:02] <hashar>	 I wish we had some kind of header files for PHP
[20:41:12] <hashar>	 to put the abstract / interface classes into
[20:41:32] <codurr>	 New code comment: Nikerabbit; In 3.2 even that syntax is deprecated: http://lucene.apache.org/core/old_versioned_docs/versions/3_2; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110870#c30608>
[20:46:01] <Nikerabbit>	 hashar: there is nothing preventing you from doing that
[20:46:09] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) FileCache + Gzip outputs garbage - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34254  +comment (10hashar)
[20:46:13] <hashar>	 Nikerabbit: doing what? :-)
[20:46:25] <hashar>	 Nikerabbit: splitting the interface / abstracts
[20:46:26] <Nikerabbit>	 hashar: adding interfaces to different files
[20:46:29] <hashar>	 yeah
[20:46:37] <hashar>	 I have no idea what kind of scheme would work though
[20:46:41] <hashar>	 maybe  Title_i.php
[20:47:04] <hashar>	 or _Title.php  for evilness
[20:47:22] <Nikerabbit>	 just name the file according to the name?
[20:48:02] <hashar>	 oh yes sorry
[20:48:41] <hashar>	 My mind is a big confused at the moment :D
[20:49:45] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) first item in the history shows no information about its size - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34198  +comment (10umherirrender_de.wp)
[20:51:24] <codurr>	 03raymond * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110961> 10/trunk/ (75 files in 47 dirs): Localisation updates for core and extension messages from translatewiki.net
[20:52:28] <codurr>	 03catrope * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110962> 10/trunk/extensions/ArticleFeedback/api/ (ApiArticleFeedback.php ApiQueryArticleFeedback.php): (log message trimmed)
[20:52:28] <codurr>	 Followup r110959: reapply the good parts of r96722:
[20:52:28] <codurr>	 * Drop useless aa_user_id conditions from queries.
[20:52:28] <codurr>	 * Removed the useless and broken behavior of decrementing values in article_feedback_revisions. It was implemented inconsistently and never worked properly for that reason. This makes insertRevisionRating() much simpler
[20:52:29] <codurr>	 * Due to the insertRevisionRating() change. $lastRevision is no longer needed.
[20:52:29] <codurr>	 To properly update the revision delta, though, we still need to look at whether
[20:52:30] <codurr>	 the previous rating's revid matches this one's, and only take that rating into
[20:53:18] <RoanKattouw>	 Reedy: Are we tracking 1.19 schema changes anywhere?
[20:53:44] <wikibugs_>	 03(NEW) [SM] search by property on coordinates produce no results because SM converts the coordinate format - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34277 normal; MediaWiki extensions: SemanticMaps; (fastgoldfish)
[20:54:16] <hashar>	 AaronSchulz: do you offer a way to delete all files from a container / zone / filerepo  or backend ?
[20:54:41] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) noc.wikimedia.org should support HTTPS - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/23004  +comment (10umherirrender_de.wp)
[20:56:35] <codurr>	 03catrope * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110963> 10/trunk/extensions/ArticleFeedback/ArticleFeedback.hooks.php: Followup r110959: also remove the schema change in the hooks file
[20:57:10] <Krenair>	 RoanKattouw/Reedy, was wondering what are you guys were planning to do about that token issue I noticed
[20:57:35] <hashar>	 AaronSchulz: my dumb test file is https://gist.github.com/e3b4be72ff7d3fdc0d42
[20:57:56] <RoanKattouw>	 Krenair: There's a secret bug filed about it
[20:58:04] <RoanKattouw>	 And there's a patch
[20:58:13] <RoanKattouw>	 I think we're just waiting for Tim to decide whether this is worth a security release
[20:58:17] <Krenair>	 RoanKattouw, I can see the bug, patch and comments
[20:58:20] <Krenair>	 okay
[20:58:27] <RoanKattouw>	 The live site (Wikipedia et al) should be patched already
[20:58:33] <RoanKattouw>	 (again, in secret)
[20:58:43] <codurr>	 03gregchiasson * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110964> 10/trunk/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5/SpecialArticleFeedbackv5.php: AFT5 feedback page. Put moderation tool filters into their own optgroup. Functionality is the same, but this pretties it up a bit per bug 34087
[20:58:54] <RoanKattouw>	 Reedy: We'll need to carry over that patch to the 1.19 tree too, without making it public (unless/until we do a security release)
[20:59:38] <Reedy>	 RoanKattouw: on monday Tim said yes it warrants a security release, but it's not a major issue
[20:59:55] <RoanKattouw>	 OK
[21:00:09] <RoanKattouw>	 So do we handle that post-1.19 deploy?
[21:00:14] <Reedy>	 yeah
[21:00:38] <Reedy>	 RoanKattouw: core sql changes are already listed/underway.. Extensions I've looked over and there wasn't much
[21:01:02] <RoanKattouw>	 I'm probably gonna have index additions for ArticleFeedback (v4)
[21:01:11] <RoanKattouw>	 Where can I see the progress on the core changes?
[21:01:41] <^demon|away>	 svn cp trunk/phase3 trunk/MediaWikiv2
[21:01:47] <^demon|away>	 Since that's our fun naming convention these days ;-)
[21:01:47] <Reedy>	 etherpad.wm.o/119deployment
[21:04:37] <Reedy>	 RoanKattouw: also https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=34104
[21:05:10] <vvv>	 MaxSem: why would we discourage format=php?
[21:05:48] <MaxSem>	 vvv, see the mentioned bug
[21:06:04] <vvv>	 Which one?
[21:06:21] <vvv>	 34257?
[21:06:56] <RoanKattouw>	 Reedy: That doesn't sound like it's done yet
[21:11:17] <Joe_>	 Hello?
[21:11:56] <Joe_>	 I am looking to set up a MediaWiki site running with Oracle and I am having an issue with the installation phase
[21:12:00] <Joe_>	 Can anyone help me?
[21:12:22] <Joe_>	 Creating tables...A database query syntax error has occurred. This may indicate a bug in the software. The last attempted database query was: SET CONSTRAINTS ALL DEFERRED
[21:12:27] <Joe_>	 This is my error
[21:12:36] <Joe_>	 I can give a small backlog as well if anyone needs it.
[21:12:42] <wikibugs_>	 03(NEW) export - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34278 blocker; MediaWiki extensions: [other]; (jdk370)
[21:13:24] <hashar>	 Joe_: there is probably nobody there knowing about our Oracle support
[21:13:41] <hashar>	 Joe_: freakolowsky does know though, he is connected here during european business hours
[21:13:56] <hashar>	 Joe_: or you can drop an email to the mediawiki-l 
[21:14:05] <Joe_>	 Ok
[21:14:05] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Semantic Maps break with the error "Undefined variable: mwmaps" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/32416  +comment (10fastgoldfish)
[21:14:18] <hashar>	 Joe_: or contacte Jure : http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Freakolowsky
[21:14:40] <hashar>	 Joe_: he is the Oracle boy :-d
[21:14:49] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) [SM] maps break with the error "Undefined variable: mwmaps" when produced from a template - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/32416  summary (10badon)
[21:14:51] <Joe_>	 Thanks I appreciate the help.  I am new to setting up wikis.
[21:15:07] <hashar>	 are you really forced to use Oracle?
[21:15:08] <Joe_>	 Oracle is also not forgiving.
[21:15:12] <Joe_>	 Yes
[21:15:33] <Joe_>	 I was able to get mediawiki up and running in mysql in like 10 mins.
[21:15:35] <Joe_>	 Oracle
[21:15:40] <Joe_>	 It has been 2 days
[21:21:53] <wikibugs_>	 03(NEW) [SM] #ask format=map produces map with extra <p></p> above it - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34279 normal; MediaWiki extensions: SemanticMaps; (fastgoldfish)
[21:23:13] <codurr>	 03reedy * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110965> 10/trunk/tools/make-wmf-branch/default.conf: So apparently the Fundraising extensions are fine to come from trunk :)
[21:24:10] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Maps input broken - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33560  +comment (10badon)
[21:25:06] <Joe_>	 @hashar just curious what are European hours?
[21:25:29] <Joe_>	 and those email addresses were without the [] surrounding the @ symbol correct?
[21:25:32] <hashar>	 9am - 6pm  GMT+1
[21:25:53] <hashar>	 Joe_: yeah should remove the []
[21:26:08] <Joe_>	 Cool
[21:26:20] <hashar>	 Joe_: you can also open a bug report :-D
[21:26:20] <Joe_>	 I emailed him and thanks for the info
[21:26:27] <hashar>	 great!
[21:26:37] <codurr>	 03gregchiasson * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110966> 10/trunk/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5/modules/jquery.articleFeedbackv5/jquery.articleFeedbackv5.special.js: AFT5: noticed an issue where there was actually a legitimate reason for multiple ajax requests to be going through at the same time, so allow that when required.
[21:26:41] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) SemanticMaps: Altitude - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/32698  +comment (10badon)
[21:27:39] <Joe_>	 how can I open a bug report
[21:27:49] <Joe_>	 Where should I go to do that?
[21:27:58] <badon>	 Joe_: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/enter_bug.cgi
[21:28:15] <tjf>	 hm, nevermind. pkill firefox several times fixed it :P
[21:28:16] <tjf>	 whoops
[21:28:18] <badon>	 Joe_: you may want to read this first: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Badon#Bug_hunting_tips
[21:28:58] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Gadgets stopped working on enwiki beta and commons beta - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34195  +comment (10mah)
[21:29:53] <wikibugs_>	 03(FIXED) Gadgets stopped working on enwiki beta and commons beta - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34195  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[21:30:16] <Zaran>	 RoanKattouw : you fixed the prp bug, you're my hero :)
[21:31:21] <AaronSchulz>	 hashar: there is no "delete this zone" feature, which would be kind of scary :)
[21:32:25] <hashar>	 AaronSchulz: my use case is to fill a repo with various files, play with them then on __destruct() trash the full repo :D
[21:32:44] <wikibugs_>	 03(NEW) SET CONSTRAINTS ALL DEFERRED PL/SQL error - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34280 blocker; MediaWiki: Installation; (jfehrman)
[21:32:45] <hashar>	 AaronSchulz: my rough scrip is at : https://gist.github.com/e3b4be72ff7d3fdc0d42
[21:32:57] <hashar>	 Joe_: well done on bug opening :D
[21:33:31] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) [SM] Add support for Wikipedia Koordinate Format - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/30749  summary; +comment (10badon)
[21:33:52] <Joe_>	 I reported the bug and thanks hashar
[21:34:09] <wikibugs_>	 14(DUP) Regression: deleting a page shows "someone has already deleted this page" error - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34274  +comment (10Niklas Laxström)
[21:34:12] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) unable to delete any page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34245  +comment (10Niklas Laxström)
[21:34:25] <Joe_>	 I suppose I will see a response in a day or so
[21:35:10] <Joe_>	 Thanks everyone for your help!
[21:35:25] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Oracle installer throw SET CONSTRAINTS ALL DEFERRED PL/SQL error - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34280  summary (10Antoine "hashar" Musso)
[21:36:07] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Oracle installer throw SET CONSTRAINTS ALL DEFERRED PL/SQL error - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34280  +comment (10Antoine "hashar" Musso)
[21:36:09] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) noc.wikimedia.org should support HTTPS - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/23004  +comment (10sam)
[21:36:40] <hashar>	 AaronSchulz: will find out later. =heading bed for now
[21:36:59] <AaronSchulz>	 hashar: getFileList()? :)
[21:37:14] <hashar>	 AaronSchulz: but empty directories are left behind
[21:37:19] <AaronSchulz>	 the only tricky case is cleaning out empty dirs
[21:37:26] <hashar>	 and cleanupBatch just does unlink
[21:37:29] <hashar>	 hehe
[21:37:48] <AaronSchulz>	 it's easy if they are just parents to files you delete
[21:37:55] <wikibugs_>	 03(NEW) "Reply" link is shown always, even if a user cannot add comments. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34281 normal; MediaWiki extensions: Comments; (van.de.bugger)
[21:38:06] <AaronSchulz>	 but if they were previously deleted, you'd need to know that the empty dir existed somehow
[21:38:20] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) "Reply" link is shown always, even if a user cannot add comments. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34281   +need-review +patch (10Van de Bugger)
[21:38:42] <AaronSchulz>	 in the future there will be some getDirList() type function
[21:39:18] <hashar>	 AaronSchulz: is there a way to fetch out the repo root path ?
[21:39:44] <hashar>	 or even better, the backend root path. Cause then I could just shell out and rm -fR  that directory :D
[21:39:50] <AaronSchulz>	 getZonePath()?
[21:41:00] <varnent>	 any native or fluent German speakers around?
[21:41:33] <wikibugs_>	 03(NEW) Non-conventional name of include file. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34282 trivial; MediaWiki extensions: Comments; (van.de.bugger)
[21:41:45] <hashar>	 AaronSchulz: yeah   getZonePath( 'temp' );   give me the virtual url :  mwstore://local-test-backend/uploadRepo-temp
[21:42:05] <AaronSchulz>	 you can't get the FS path, that would break encapsulation
[21:42:06] <hashar>	 AaronSchulz: how can I convert it to the actual filesystem path ? 
[21:42:12] <hashar>	 ohhhh
[21:42:17] <AaronSchulz>	 for testing, you know what you set the base path to though
[21:43:03] <hashar>	 yeah going to do that
[21:43:11] <hashar>	 also, I haven't found a way to add new containers
[21:43:37] <hashar>	 I would like to use one filerepo for all tests and isolate each tests in containers
[21:43:50] <hashar>	 (or I could use one fs backend and  one filerepo per test )
[21:43:53] <AaronSchulz>	 "add new containers"?
[21:44:11] <hashar>	 the  'public', 'temp', 'thumbs' ...
[21:44:39] <codurr>	 03catrope * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110967> 10/trunk/extensions/ArticleFeedback/ (4 files in 2 dirs):
[21:44:39] <codurr>	 Followup r110959: reintroduce another good part of r96722 (sort of): add an
[21:44:39] <codurr>	 index on (page_id, user_text, anon_token, revision) so it properly indexes the
[21:44:39] <codurr>	 queries we actually run, and delete the index on (user_id, page_id, revision)
[21:44:39] <codurr>	 because it's not being used
[21:44:46] <AaronSchulz>	 there is a 'zones' param in the FileRepo constructor
[21:45:46] <wikibugs_>	 03(FIXED) importScript, importScriptURI, and addPortletLink errors - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34147  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[21:46:20] <hashar>	 AaronSchulz: yup noticed it. So you can create a filerepo with various zones
[21:46:33] <hashar>	 AaronSchulz: was ranting about how you can not add zones after construction
[21:46:54] <hashar>	 so I will end up create a file repo for each test :-D
[21:47:34] <hashar>	 so I will end up creating a file repo for each test
[21:47:56] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) ApiQueryArticleFeedback::getUserRatings db queries can be very expensive - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33851  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[21:49:37] <Lcawte>	 Angela Beesley Starling is leaving Wikia :O
[21:49:53] <AaronSchulz>	 why the emoticon?
[21:50:02] <RoanKattouw>	 I saw, still gotta read the blog post
[21:50:07] <vvv>	 To express the surprice?
[21:50:15] <vvv>	 *surprise
[21:50:22] <AaronSchulz>	 it looks like a smiley face in CZ
[21:50:36] <Dantman>	 link link!
[21:53:00] <hashar>	 AaronSchulz: do you have a description for the mwstore:// and mwrepo:// URI schemes?
[21:53:04] <wikibugs_>	 03(NEW) enabling aftv5 on the beta cluster broke gadgets - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34283 normal; MediaWiki extensions: ArticleFeedbackv5; (mah)
[21:53:18] <Yaron>	 Dantman - http://community.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Angela/Leaving_Wikia
[21:53:22] <AaronSchulz>	 hashar: nothing beyond the FileBackend class comments
[21:53:57] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Maps input broken - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33560  +comment (10niklas.laxstrom)
[21:54:26] <hashar>	 AaronSchulz: backend/FileBackend.php refers to mwstore://backend/container/path  (at the top) mwstore://container and mwstore://container/dir  (in abstract public function getFileList() ).
[21:54:39] <Lcawte>	 What next, the WMF goes bust?
[21:54:42] <hashar>	 AaronSchulz: snippets http://dpaste.org/gmDKX/
[21:54:48] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) export should include page protection status - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34278  summary (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[21:55:18] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Oracle installer throw SET CONSTRAINTS ALL DEFERRED PL/SQL error - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34280  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[21:55:24] <AaronSchulz>	 yeah, those getFileList() comments are wrong, it's always mwstore://backend/container[/path]
[21:55:44] * hashar  virtually marks AaronSchulz revisions as fixme

[21:56:00] <hashar>	 will let you update it cause I am unsure how to comment them correctly :D
[21:56:51] * AaronSchulz  assumes you will review

[21:57:50] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) "Reply" link is shown always, even if a user cannot add comments. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34281  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[22:00:30] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) [SMW] 1.6 to 1.7 RC1 #ask and #show insert extra spaces after commas in properties - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33478  +comment (10fastgoldfish)
[22:01:44] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Review pending FileCache changes - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34057  +comment (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[22:05:10] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Schema changes for 1.19 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34104  +comment (10afeldman)
[22:05:37] <hashar>	 bed time!
[22:06:59] <AaronSchulz>	 bye
[22:08:06] <hashar>	 AaronSchulz: last second,  an example of URI scheme description : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/URI_scheme#Examples  ;)))
[22:09:07] <hashar>	 then write an RFC and become famous!  :D
[22:09:11] <hashar>	 have a nice evening
[22:09:30] <gwicke>	 good night hashar!
[22:12:02] <codurr>	 New code comment: Tim Starling; For the nature of the performance regression, see my comments on r96546. I'm not sure what you mean ; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110909#c30611>
[22:12:56] <wikibugs_>	 03(NEW) Vote buttons for not-yet-logged in user. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34284 normal; MediaWiki extensions: Comments; (van.de.bugger)
[22:12:56] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Vote buttons for not-yet-logged in user. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34284   +need-review +patch (10Van de Bugger)
[22:13:08] <codurr>	 03aaron * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110968> 10/trunk/phase3/ (2 files in 2 dirs):
[22:13:08] <codurr>	 * Corrected and improved FileBackend::getFileList() comments.
[22:13:08] <codurr>	 * Added unit tests for using getFileList() iterators twice.
[22:13:35] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Oracle installer throw SET CONSTRAINTS ALL DEFERRED PL/SQL error - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34280  +comment (10sam)
[22:14:57] <Dantman>	 Heh... Another way to express the exampe on [[URI scheme]]
[22:15:00] <Dantman>	  <scheme-name>foo</scheme-name>://<hierarchical><authority><userinfo>username:password</userinfo>@<hostname>example.com</hostname>:<port>8042</port></authority><path>/over/there/<filename>index</filename>.<extension>dtb</extension></path></hierarchical>?<query><key>type</key>=<value>animal</value>&<key>name</key>=<value>narwhal</value></query>#<fragment>nose</fragment>
[22:15:16] <Dantman>	 (well, with a & escape I missed)
[22:16:24] <Dantman>	 ;) One of these days I'm going to have to spite everyone for fun and write an application that uses ; for the query separator instead of &. ie: ?foo=bar;hello=world;
[22:16:38] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Schema changes for 1.19 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34104  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[22:16:45] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Put export-0.6.xsd on mw.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33995  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[22:16:54] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Deployment checklist for 1.19 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33936  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[22:17:08] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Set $wgMathUseMathJax = true on Wikimedia wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31406  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[22:17:26] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) MediaWiki 1.19 pre WMF deployment actions (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33994  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[22:17:54] <gwicke>	 the JS parser was just renamed to 'Parsoid', courtesy of Amgine ;)
[22:18:27] <gwicke>	 and for the benefit of google and stable page names
[22:18:38] <gwicke>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Parsoid
[22:19:54] <^demon|away>	 Pfft, now it sounds like a lame android app.
[22:19:56] <^demon|away>	 :)
[22:20:32] <gwicke>	 ha!
[22:20:58] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Set $wgMathUseMathJax = true on Wikimedia wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31406  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[22:20:58] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) MediaWiki 1.19 pre WMF deployment actions (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33994  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[22:22:05] <wikibugs_>	 03(FIXED) Article Feedback Page - wrong cursor for some actions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34130  (10Yoni Shostak)
[22:28:23] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Put export-0.6.xsd on mw.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33995  (10Rob Lanphier)
[22:28:35] <wikibugs_>	 14(DUP) add the sha1 field to export - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33221  +comment (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[22:28:35] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) MD5 or SHA1 checksum in stub dumps - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/25312  +comment (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[22:30:49] <wikibugs_>	 03(NEW) Make sha1 on exports per-wiki configurable - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34285 normal; MediaWiki: Export/Import; (mah)
[22:31:04] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Make sha1 on exports per-wiki configurable - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34285  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[22:33:10] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) MediaWiki 1.19 pre WMF deployment actions (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33994  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[22:33:10] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Make sha1 on exports per-wiki configurable - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34285  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[22:38:55] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Schema changes for 1.19 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34104  +comment (10sam)
[22:40:36] <d34th4ck3r>	 Hi all.
[22:40:45] <d34th4ck3r>	 I would like to contribute towards wikimedia.
[22:40:53] <d34th4ck3r>	  i have been searching.
[22:41:04] <d34th4ck3r>	 I found this paper: https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:x6ZEfoHItMYJ:www.cs.cornell.edu/~danco/research/papers/suggestbot-iui07.pdf+SuggestBot&hl=en&gl=in&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESgbRJnIYwQ6V6UV7H6CiZENsjHWkeWUQxBBjvl-1wB5CPmvxK7zZydN8wa97BgmFKDrRLjNuiMxli_Ia6fM0HHg1gQIQk-CnYzZfxXz-JrxO6uk5U9lglXLbfk-rFBR07vWe8AI&sig=AHIEtbQWF4iMOnuOgJI-1mV9bvIQYMlEZQ
[22:41:17] <codurr>	 03ialex * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110969> 10/trunk/phase3/includes/debug/Debug.php: Fix typo so that the key is set with correct value instead of a boolean with key "0"
[22:41:19] <d34th4ck3r>	 I have a decent android experience, I would like to add suggestbot into android.
[22:41:29] <d34th4ck3r>	 plz guide me how to proceed.
[22:41:38] <pokeswap>	 does Microsoft office add !BOMS, and if so which text editors do not
[22:42:21] <bawolff>	 pokeswap: Microsoft notepad does. No idea if microsoft office does but editing text files with MS office sounds like a bad idea...
[22:42:31] <bawolff>	 pokeswap: I'd suggest notepad++
[22:42:44] <bawolff>	 for windows anyways
[22:42:46] <pokeswap>	 link to dowlload?
[22:43:00] <bawolff>	 http://notepad-plus-plus.org/
[22:43:27] <codurr>	 03reedy * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110970> 10/trunk/tools/make-wmf-branch/default.conf:
[22:43:27] <codurr>	 Kill off DumpHTML
[22:43:28] <codurr>	 Fix position of CustomUserSignup
[22:43:28] <codurr>	 Improve comment
[22:48:00] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) #get_web_data / #for_external_table don't work with JSON format (output from Special:Ask) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34214  +comment (10dan.bolser)
[22:50:41] <codurr>	 03christian * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110971> 10/trunk/extensions/VisualEditor/ (demos/ce/index.php modules/ve/ce/styles/ve.es.Document.css): layout tweaks
[22:51:51] <pokeswap>	 is there anyway to dot view <codurr>
[22:52:10] <tjf>	 Reedy: Are there any docs that I can't seem to find for writing an API module?
[22:53:25] <RoanKattouw>	 Reedy: FYI I'm done messing with AFTv4 now, are you already cutting the branch of do I still "have time"?
[22:53:42] <Reedy>	 Nope
[22:53:47] <Reedy>	 I've yet to run either script
[22:53:53] <Reedy>	 they don't take long
[22:54:05] <Reedy>	 either script? pfft. REL branch is manual
[22:54:21] <codurr>	 03nad * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110972> 10/trunk/extensions/TreeAndMenu/ (TreeAndMenu.php star.js): star menus done
[22:54:55] <pokeswap>	 !codurr
[22:54:55] <mw-bot>	 I don't know anything about "codurr".
[22:56:07] <RoanKattouw>	 OK
[22:56:22] <RoanKattouw>	 I was gonna make another bugfix to ResourceLoader but on second thought you probably shouldn't wait for that
[22:56:53] <RoanKattouw>	 Reedy: Oh BTW, you can take ArticleFeedback (v4) from trunk
[22:57:03] <Reedy>	 heh
[22:57:17] <codurr>	 New code comment: IAlex; That code is in a subclass of Pager, not SpecialPage.; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110836#c30612>
[22:59:02] <codurr>	 03jeroendedauw * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110973> 10/trunk/extensions/EducationProgram/ (6 files in 3 dirs): dialog ui tweaks, uncommented needed stuff and commented out not needed stuff
[22:59:11] <codurr>	 03werdna * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110974> 10/trunk/extensions/ArticleCreationWorkflow/ (5 files in 4 dirs): ArticleCreationWorkflow: Move tooltip and interstitial configuration into the main configuration file.
[22:59:51] <sumanah>	 Daniel_WMDE: hey, have you already been pinged about catscan?
[23:00:28] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) #get_web_data / #for_external_table don't work with JSON format (output from Special:Ask) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34214  +comment (10yaron57)
[23:00:51] <Daniel_WMDE>	 sumanah: is it more broken than usual? 
[23:01:21] <codurr>	 03reedy * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110975> 10/trunk/tools/make-wmf-branch/default.conf: Branch ArticleFeedback from trunk tooooo
[23:01:38] <Daniel_WMDE>	 sumanah: CatScan is basically fubar. The next gen thing is still proof of concept though... hope i can get it to beta in the next couple of weeks.
[23:02:05] <sumanah>	 Daniel_WMDE: go to the #wikimedia-glam room? I heard questions from that list
[23:02:13] <sumanah>	 gotta go, got a call
[23:02:15] <Daniel_WMDE>	 sumanah: lots of toolserver tools (mine and others) are currently not functioning right, because we are missing some databases.
[23:02:31] <Daniel_WMDE>	 sumanah: thanks. hm, about to go to bed....
[23:02:35] <Reedy>	 Probably should fix that fixme before we branch now...
[23:02:40] <Daniel_WMDE>	 yea, well... let's say i'm working on it#
[23:07:58] <codurr>	 03mah * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110976> 10/trunk/extensions/WikimediaMessages/WikimediaLicenseTexts.i18n.php: revert r109005
[23:08:11] <codurr>	 03jeroendedauw * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110977> 10/trunk/extensions/EducationProgram/ (EducationProgram.i18n.php includes/EPUtils.php): added nav links to ambassador profiles
[23:08:47] <codurr>	 New code comment: Aaron Schulz; <pre>This module regroup classes meant for MediaWiki to interacts with</pre> \ Can this be reworded t; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110938#c30613>
[23:08:54] <codurr>	 03werdna * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110978> 10/trunk/extensions/ArticleCreationWorkflow/modules/ext.articleCreation.user/ext.articleCreation.user.js: Add code for disabling interstitials
[23:09:08] <pokeswap>	 is there any way to stop !<codurr> from appearing
[23:09:24] <codurr>	 03raindrift * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110979> 10/trunk/phase3/includes/upload/UploadStash.php: Properly expand the "error storing file" message. Fixes bug 33846
[23:09:32] <pokeswap>	 like that
[23:09:33] <RoanKattouw>	 pokeswap: /ignore codurr
[23:09:47] <RoanKattouw>	 That will make your IRC client ignore (not display) anything codurr says
[23:09:48] <wikibugs_>	 03(FIXED) File errors shown at Special:MovePage and Special:Upload are displayed wrongly - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33846  +comment (10Ian Baker)
[23:10:08] <pokeswap>	 IGNORE Unknown command
[23:10:21] <RoanKattouw>	 huh, I guess your client doesn't support that then
[23:11:03] <pokeswap>	 there are different IRC clients for the same channel? any other way other than IGNORE codurr
[23:11:03] <codurr>	 New code comment: Aaron Schulz; Why is the implode still there?; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110979#c30614>
[23:11:36] <RoanKattouw>	 pokeswap: The IRC client is the program you use to connect to IRC
[23:11:46] <codurr>	 03maxsem * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110980> 10/trunk/extensions/MobileFrontend/MobileFrontend.body.php: Typo in variable name
[23:12:09] <RoanKattouw>	 Looks like for you that might be the freenode webchat
[23:12:44] <pokeswap>	 is there any other way to connect that allows IGNORE
[23:13:05] <Joan>	 Use an IRC client.
[23:13:17] <codurr>	 New code comment: Aaron Schulz; By default wfMessage() parses messages (rather than plaintext). This might be a bit ugly when shown ; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110979#c30615>
[23:14:11] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) update.php stuck on update revision on large db - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33558  +comment (10benapetr)
[23:14:28] <^demon|away>	 pokeswap: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Internet_Relay_Chat_clients - should be able to find one you like
[23:17:17] <codurr>	 03werdna * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110981> 10/trunk/extensions/ArticleCreationWorkflow/ (2 files in 2 dirs): ArticleCreationWorkflow: Swap some IDs around and genericise the interstitial action code
[23:19:16] <bawolff>	 tjf: that's kind of sad we don't have docs for that... we should fix that (along with all the other docs suck badly issues)
[23:20:01] <^demon|away>	 Especially since it's not actually all that hard.
[23:20:51] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) (un)categorization actions should get logged - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34269  +comment (10bawolff+wn)
[23:21:39] * bawolff  promises to write a tutorial one day

[23:23:17] <codurr>	 New code comment: Catrope; I was gonna say that you need to add the modules to the ParserOutput object too, but it looks like C; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110933#c30616>
[23:24:22] <RoanKattouw>	 There is rudimentary documentation
[23:24:49] <RoanKattouw>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/API:Extensions
[23:25:22] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) #get_web_data / #for_external_table don't work with JSON format (output from Special:Ask) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34214  +comment (10dan.bolser)
[23:26:02] <codurr>	 03aaron * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110982> 10/trunk/phase3/includes/upload/UploadStash.php: r110979: removed implode() call and format the message as plaintext, as any HTML will be escaped anyway for such exceptions.
[23:31:22] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Polish Planet Wikimedia stopped updating - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34268  +comment (10mah)
[23:33:57] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) update.php stuck on update revision on large db - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33558  +comment (10sam)
[23:34:37] <codurr>	 03werdna * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110983> 10/trunk/extensions/ArticleCreationWorkflow/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Add lots of documentation to ArticleCreationTemplates.php
[23:37:56] <codurr>	 03christian * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110984> 10/trunk/extensions/VisualEditor/ (demos/ce/index.php modules/ve/ce/ve.es.Surface.js): paste handler no longer causes fast viewport shift when pasting
[23:43:55] <codurr>	 03reedy * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110985> 10/branches/REL1_19/: Add REL1_19 branch target folder
[23:44:07] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) enabling aftv5 on the beta cluster broke gadgets - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34283  normal->04CRIT;  +aftv5-1.5; +comment (10Fabrice Florin)
[23:45:00] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) enabling aftv5 on the beta cluster broke gadgets - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34283  +comment (10Roan Kattouw)
[23:47:34] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) bits.wm.o loading issues from Pakistan - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34256  +comment (10mah)
[23:49:53] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Wikimedia-hosted OpenStreetMap (OSM) / mapnik tileservers wanted for mobile usage - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33980  +comment (10brion)
[23:50:40] <AaronSchulz>	 werdna: did you see my foundation-l link?
[23:50:48] * AaronSchulz  may have posted in the wrong channel

[23:52:11] <pokeswap>	 !mod
[23:52:12] <mw-bot>	 I don't know anything about "mod". You might try: !config !domdocument !enableapi !extranamespace !moderation !passwordsql !safemode 
[23:52:23] <codurr>	 03werdna * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110986> 10/trunk/extensions/ArticleCreationWorkflow/ (ArticleCreationWorkflow.i18n.php ArticleCreationWorkflow.php): Update message documentation, add authors
[23:52:29] <werdna>	 AaronSchulz: didn't see it no
[23:52:33] <pokeswap>	 !safemode
[23:52:33] <mw-bot>	 safe_mode is an ill-concieved, broken-by-design setting in PHP that is supposed to make broken scripts safe. It was deprecated in PHP5. MediaWiki can run with safe_mode enabled, but many of the advanced features will not work or need additional configuration (image thumbnailing using ImageMagick, for example). See http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Safe_mode for more information.
[23:52:48] <tjf>	 "Pakistan" pinged me...
[23:52:52] <AaronSchulz>	 werdna: http://wikimedia.7.n6.nabble.com/Cartman-Gets-an-Anal-Probe-English-Wikipedia-s-featured-article-today-tp4371372p4372512.html
[23:53:25] <pokeswap>	 !config !domdocument !enableapi !extranamespace !moderation !passwordsql
[23:53:26] <mw-bot>	 All configuration is done in LocalSettings.php (near the end of the file). Editing other files means modifying the software. Default settings are not in LocalSettings.php, you can look in DefaultSettings.php. See <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Configuring_MediaWiki>, <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:LocalSettings.php>, <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Config_script>, and <http://noc.wikimedia.org/conf>
[23:53:49] <pokeswap>	 !domdocument
[23:53:49] <mw-bot>	 If the DOM_Document class is missing, install PHP's XML module (and restart Apache) or set $wgParserConf['preprocessorClass'] = 'Preprocessor_Hash' (see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgParserConf> for details)
[23:54:07] <pokeswap>	 !enableapi
[23:54:08] <mw-bot>	 To enable bot API in your MediaWiki installation, add $wgEnableAPI = true; to LocalSettings.php. If you also need to modify the wiki using the API, also add $wgEnableWriteAPI = true;
[23:54:33] <pokeswap>	 !extranamespace
[23:54:34] <mw-bot>	 To add a namespace, modify your LocalSettings.php file, and add namespaces via $wgExtraNamespaces. A comprehensive set of instructions for adding a namespace can be found at <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Using_custom_namespaces>. $wgExtraNamespaces can also be used to rename the default namespaces.
[23:54:57] <pokeswap>	 !moderation !passwordsql
[23:54:57] <mw-bot>	 Moderation is not for Wikis. You are advised to install a forum software or propert web CMS if you want complete control over what gets modified and published. However, the FlaggedRevs extension may in future give some control over which version of a page is served per default - see http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:FlaggedRevs
[23:55:21] <werdna>	 pokeswap: If you want to play with the bot you can do it in private message
[23:55:31] <pokeswap>	 how
[23:55:43] <werdna>	 type /query mw-bot
[23:55:43] <RoanKattouw>	  /query mw-bot
[23:55:52] <AaronSchulz>	 werdna: hehe, what if this channel was just a person bot command line
[23:56:15] <p858snake|l_>	 or in #mwbot
[23:56:39] <pokeswap>	 #mwbot
[23:56:58] <pokeswap>	 *?
[23:58:58] <wikibugs_>	 03(ASSIGNED) enabling aftv5 on the beta cluster broke gadgets - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34283  +comment (10Yoni Shostak)