[00:10:54] <codurr>	 03catrope * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110988> 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES-1.19 resources/mediawiki/mediawiki.js):
[00:10:55] <codurr>	 (bug 31676) Group dynamically inserted CSS into a single <style> tag, because IE
[00:10:55] <codurr>	 limits the number of styles it'll apply to 32 (seriously?!?). 3rd party users
[00:10:55] <codurr>	 were complaining about IE not applying some modules' CSS when many modules were
[00:10:55] <codurr>	 loaded; this wasn't a problem on WMF wikis as far as I know
[00:11:03] <sumanah>	 RoanKattouw: hey, the way, the API Extensions question, what was it?
[00:11:15] <sumanah>	 I figure it's reasonable to stick that in the talk page as a reminder to add the answer to the docs at somepoint
[00:11:51] <RoanKattouw>	 sumanah: I think it was just "meh, we don't have docs for how to write API modules"
[00:11:54] * RoanKattouw  reads backscroll

[00:12:09] <sumanah>	 by the way*
[00:12:39] <RoanKattouw>	 "Are there any docs that I can't seem to find for writing an API module?" "that's kind of sad we don't have docs for that... we should fix that (along with all the other docs suck badly issues)"
[00:13:10] <sumanah>	 oh, ok
[00:13:12] <sumanah>	 thanks RoanKattouw 
[00:13:21] <sumanah>	 so, discoverability was the issue
[00:13:32] <RoanKattouw>	 The respondent was bawolff who said something about writing a tutorial some day
[00:13:47] <RoanKattouw>	 Well, the docs that do exist are not all that useful
[00:14:04] <RoanKattouw>	 I called it "rudimentary documentation" a few hours ago
[00:15:25] <sumanah>	 RoanKattouw: blobaugh is going to work on improving our API docs in the next 3 months
[00:15:39] <RoanKattouw>	 Yay
[00:15:42] <sumanah>	 so I'm reasonably sure any TODOs you can toss onto the talk pages will be acted upon
[00:17:14] <codurr>	 03bsitu * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110989> 10/trunk/extensions/ArticleCreationWorkflow/ (5 files in 3 dirs): Adding ClickTracking to Article Creation
[00:17:17] <codurr>	 New code comment: Reedy; You're missing | from the windows regex. \ On Windows \ and / aren't valid in folder names, but it u; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110922#c30620>
[00:19:40] <AaronSchulz>	 Reedy: yeah, | can be added to the regex
[00:20:17] <codurr>	 New code comment: Aaron Schulz; Note that $relStoragePath already has normalized directory separators (only "/").; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110922#c30621>
[00:20:37] <brion>	 hexmode: i'm taking a quick look over extension:shorturl
[00:21:00] <brion>	 if it does what i think then the proposed rules should work, i'm just not sure i like the '/r/' prefix which seems kinda random
[00:21:46] <wikibugs_>	 03(FIXED) ResourceLoader should work around IE's limit on number of <style> tags - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31676  +comment (10Roan Kattouw)
[00:22:43] <AaronSchulz>	 Reedy: don't need to worry about "/" though, since the basename is always the file/dir name
[00:24:02] <codurr>	 03jeroendedauw * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110990> 10/trunk/extensions/EducationProgram/ (3 files in 3 dirs): display deletion notice on history page
[00:24:15] <codurr>	 03reedy * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110991> 10/trunk/phase3/includes/filerepo/backend/FSFileBackend.php:
[00:24:15] <codurr>	 Blacklist | in windows paths too
[00:24:15] <codurr>	 Ping r110922
[00:24:23] <sumanah>	 brion: you already saw the last few comments in https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1450 right?
[00:24:30] <codurr>	 03jeroendedauw * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110992> 10/trunk/extensions/EducationProgram/sql/AddRevIdentifier.sql: svn added missing file
[00:24:54] <brion>	 sumanah: yeah. looks like there is some overlap in concept with cleaner permalinks
[00:25:00] <sumanah>	 understood
[00:25:04] <sumanah>	 I'll leave you to it of course
[00:25:04] <brion>	 i'm not sure if it actually exposes them/where/what/when though :)
[00:25:42] <brion>	 \o/
[00:27:11] <brion>	 hrmmmmmmm it seems to generate its own short keys somewhere
[00:27:27] <codurr>	 03raindrift * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110993> 10/trunk/extensions/ArticleCreationWorkflow/modules/ext.articleCreation.init/ext.articleCreation.init.js: bucketing code changes the create link on the 404 page for 1% of users
[00:27:35] <codurr>	 03jeroendedauw * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110987> 10/trunk/extensions/EducationProgram/ (6 files in 4 dirs): work on revisioning
[00:28:09] <brion>	 grr everytime i restore my macbook from backup the apache settings revert
[00:28:31] <brion>	 gotta find a linux-friendly ultrabook i don't hate some day :)
[00:30:03] <brion>	 the air actually runs ubuntu nice, but needs some annoying tweaks to keep the screen working and i just can't get the touchpad settings to work transparently enough for me
[00:30:36] <brion>	 plus mac os x 10.7 doesn't seem willing to share with other OSs if you want drive encryption, so i can't dual-boot :P
[00:30:55] <Joan>	 Can you partition?
[00:31:05] <brion>	 i can partition, but only if i disable encryption
[00:31:10] <Joan>	 Lame.
[00:31:22] <brion>	 and then it won't let me turn it back on; seems to have particular needs with the recovery partition being "just so"
[00:31:44] <brion>	 so i'm a mac os & virtualbox guy on this machine :)
[00:31:55] <brion>	 gnome shell really needs to run better under virtualization
[00:32:25] <codurr>	 03oren * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110994> 10/trunk/lucene-search-3/src/main/java/org/wikimedia/lsearch/beans/ArticleLinks.java: overriding equals() since hashCode() is overridden
[00:35:25] <brion>	 there we go… last time i used this setup apparently i was testing db connection errors so nothing was working ;))
[00:44:07] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Enable Extension:ShortUrl on or.wikipedia, ta.wikipedia... - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/1450  +comment (10brion)
[00:49:46] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Enable Extension:ShortUrl on or.wikipedia, ta.wikipedia... - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/1450  +comment (10bawolff+wn)
[00:50:59] <sumanah>	 brion: IIRC you had some feedback to share about the gadgets tutorial from San Francisco and I didn't get a chance to debrief with you
[00:51:18] <sumanah>	 brion: if you want to share it now, I can ensure I address it in the future, even if I just stick it in a TODO on the talk page
[00:52:06] <brion>	 sumanah: i'd love to have maybe a few example things to do (instead of just the one) which could be useful for more hands-on "ok now you try it" and test em.
[00:52:08] <codurr>	 03inez * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110995> 10/trunk/extensions/VisualEditor/ (3 files in 2 dirs): First implementation of IME for content editable
[00:52:10] <sumanah>	 brion: also ok to say "later" but I want to get a braindump before it's too stale
[00:52:15] <brion>	 we had people poking at pages but didn't have a chance to give them feedback
[00:52:21] <sumanah>	 brion: nod
[00:54:20] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Enable Extension:ShortUrl on or.wikipedia, ta.wikipedia... - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/1450  +comment (10brion)
[00:55:08] <sumanah>	 brion, ok, anything else?
[00:55:16] <brion>	 all off the top of my head
[00:55:17] <sumanah>	 brion: "develop more exercises" is totally doable
[00:55:21] <brion>	 i'll ping ya if i think of anything :D
[00:55:36] <sumanah>	 ok! or just add to the talk page if you want, brion 
[00:56:47] <codurr>	 03reedy * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110996> 10/branches/REL1_19/phase3/: Branching phase3 for 1.19
[00:56:55] <codurr>	 03oren * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110997> 10/trunk/lucene-search-3/src/test/java/org/wikimedia/lsearch/ (analyzers/ArticlesParser.java ranks/ContextParserTest.java): fixed test and added documentation
[00:57:29] <codurr>	 03reedy * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110998> 10/branches/REL1_19/extensions/: Branching extensions for 1.19
[00:57:56] <varnent>	 sumanah: quick PM question?
[00:58:20] <sumanah>	 hi, sure varnent 
[00:59:28] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Enable Extension:ShortUrl on or.wikipedia, ta.wikipedia... - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/1450  +comment (10b)
[01:00:18] <codurr>	 03reedy * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110999> 10/trunk/phase3/ (CREDITS RELEASE-NOTES-1.20 includes/DefaultSettings.php): Bump 1.20alpha
[01:01:19] * Unknow  Say: Hi!

[01:01:36] <sumanah>	 hi Unknow, what is your MediaWiki question?
[01:02:45] <codurr>	 03catrope * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111000> 10/trunk/phase3/RELEASE-NOTES-1.20: Followup r110999: remove 1.19-specific stuff from the 1.20 release notes
[01:02:46] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) enabling aftv5 on the beta cluster broke gadgets - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34283  +comment (10mah)
[01:03:06] <wikibugs_>	 14(INVALID) enabling aftv5 on the beta cluster broke gadgets - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34283  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[01:03:59] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Maps input broken - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33560  +comment (10fastgoldfish)
[01:05:18] <codurr>	 03werdna * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111001> 10/trunk/extensions/ClickTracking/modules/jquery.clickTracking.js: ClickTracking: Refactor into a single method, allow overriding the namespace
[01:05:38] <Unknow>	 sumanah, I need talk with the programmer of bot in room.
[01:05:47] <codurr>	 New code comment: Raindrift; Thank you (derp); <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110982#c30622>
[01:06:03] <codurr>	 03reedy * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111002> 10/trunk/phase3/HISTORY: Add 1.18 to HISTORY
[01:06:04] <codurr>	 03werdna * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111003> 10/trunk/extensions/ArticleCreationWorkflow/modules/ext.articleCreation.user/ext.articleCreation.user.js: Add the page in question to ClickTracking data.
[01:06:11] <sumanah>	 hi Unknow.  Do you mean, you want to talk to the developer(s) who wrote a specific bot?  if so, which bot?
[01:06:34] <werdna>	 raindrift: :) done
[01:06:44] <sumanah>	 raindrift: is there actually an "implode" call?
[01:06:44] <werdna>	 hey RoanKattouw, want to take a quick squizz at my clicktracking changes?
[01:07:00] <codurr>	 03reedy * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111004> 10/trunk/phase3/ (api.php5 includes/Cdb_PHP.php includes/api/ApiBase.php): Documentation and whitespace
[01:07:12] <Unknow>	 sumanah, Yes. The bots (all) of this room
[01:07:19] <codurr>	 03werdna * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111005> 10/trunk/extensions/ClickTracking/modules/jquery.clickTracking.js: Add semicolon
[01:08:12] <RoanKattouw>	 Unknow: Different bots were written by different people
[01:08:24] <sumanah>	 Unknow: hmm, I know of 3 or 4 bots that are active in this room.  mw-bot for example.  What is it you would like to do?
[01:08:32] <sumanah>	 Unknow: if you want the source code, we can probably find some
[01:09:22] <Reedy>	 !1.19
[01:09:22] <mw-bot>	 Working on it, hoping to deploy in February 2012. http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.science.linguistics.wikipedia.technical/56919
[01:09:28] <Reedy>	 !1.19 del
[01:09:28] <mw-bot>	 Successfully removed keyword: 1.19
[01:09:33] <Unknow>	 sumanah, I need source code for traduce in spanish
[01:09:44] <AaronSchulz>	 !1.18
[01:09:44] <mw-bot>	 MediaWiki 1.18 is out. Latest version is 1.18.1; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Download>; REL1_18 branched on 18 July 2011 at r92475 <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/92475>;
[01:10:12] <Reedy>	 !1.19 is Working on it, hoping to deploy in February 2012. Branched at r110996 on 9th February, 2011. http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.science.linguistics.wikipedia.technical/56919
[01:10:13] <mw-bot>	 Successfully added keyword: 1.19
[01:10:30] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Execute LoginAuthenticateAudit hook more often - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/24464  +comment (10Michael Newton)
[01:10:33] <Unknow>	 RoanKattouw, Thanks!
[01:10:41] <raindrift>	 sumanah:  yeah.  it's an alias for join(), which is a better name imo, but is less common.  it's the opposite of explode() (aka split())
[01:10:46] <AaronSchulz>	 !2.0
[01:10:46] <mw-bot>	 Not gonna happen in your lifetime :) In the meantime, here's a wishlist: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Project:2.0
[01:10:50] <RoanKattouw>	 Yeah, we can find source code for sure
[01:10:57] <sumanah>	 raindrift: I have learned a Thing!
[01:11:08] <werdna>	 raindrift: actually they're different
[01:11:25] <werdna>	 http://us3.php.net/split
[01:11:28] <werdna>	 As of PHP 5.3.0, the regex extension is deprecated in favor of the PCRE extension. Calling this function will issue an E_DEPRECATED notice. See the list of differences for help on converting to PCRE.
[01:11:36] <werdna>	 oh sorry
[01:11:43] <werdna>	 it's join() that's okay
[01:11:46] <werdna>	 This function is an alias of: implode().
[01:13:12] <Unknow>	 so?
[01:13:13] <Unknow>	 :)
[01:14:40] <RoanKattouw>	 Unknow: What's traduce?
[01:14:47] <RoanKattouw>	 Oh, translating?
[01:14:57] <RoanKattouw>	 And which bot do you want the source code for?
[01:15:07] <sumanah>	 all of 'em evidently
[01:15:51] <werdna>	 RoanKattouw: still no luck talking you into guerrilla code review?
[01:15:55] <RoanKattouw>	 The mw-bot source code is on the toolserver somewhere but I'm not sure if it's published on the web
[01:16:06] <RoanKattouw>	 werdna: I'm halfway through r111001
[01:16:23] <codurr>	 03reedy * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111006> 10/branches/REL1_19/phase3/ (8 files in 5 dirs): Revert r88270, r97711 and r110825 out of 1.19
[01:16:45] <werdna>	 ah, cheers
[01:17:06] <codurr>	 03bsitu * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111007> 10/trunk/extensions/ArticleCreationWorkflow/ (2 files in 2 dirs): tracking the title for missing article in additional field
[01:17:10] <pokeswap>	 how would i make a bot to add [[category:allpages]] TO THE BOTTOM OF EVERY PAGE
[01:17:59] <p858snake|l_>	 werdna: are you looking for the mw-bot source code?
[01:18:21] <Unknow>	 RoanKattouw, sumanah  I like this source code (bots) for translate to spanish?
[01:18:24] <wikibugs_>	 14(WFM) Edit form doesn't show the text - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/30285  +comment (10Mike Linksvayer)
[01:18:35] <codurr>	 03asher * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111008> 10/trunk/phase3/maintenance/archives/patch-af_page_user_token-index.sql: article_feedback migration included in wmf 1.19 deployment
[01:18:44] <p858snake|l_>	 RoanKattouw: I'm pretty sure amidaniel said it was under a free license when he poked his head into the mailing list awhile ago (in that other bot disucssion) so we should be fine to push it into svn/git if we want
[01:19:25] <werdna>	 p858snake|l_: nope
[01:20:25] <wikibugs_>	 03(NEW) Inscript for malayalam - Enhancement for chillus - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34286 enhancement; MediaWiki extensions: Narayam; (vssun9)
[01:20:36] <codurr>	 03reedy * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111009> 10/branches/REL1_19/phase3/includes/installer/SqliteUpdater.php:
[01:20:36] <codurr>	 SQLite doesn't want config either
[01:20:36] <codurr>	 Ping r111006
[01:21:06] <codurr>	 03reedy * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111010> 10/trunk/phase3/ (4 files in 2 dirs):
[01:21:06] <codurr>	 Followup r111006
[01:21:06] <codurr>	 Move config to 1.20 changes
[01:21:06] <codurr>	 Move release notes for reverted bugs from 1.19 to 1.20
[01:22:18] <codurr>	 New code comment: Catrope; <pre> \ + $.error("You must specify an event ID"); \ </pre> \ <code>$.error( 'foo' )</code> just does <c; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111001#c30624>
[01:22:47] <codurr>	 New code comment: Jeroen De Dauw; Yay!; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110999#c30625>
[01:23:17] <codurr>	 New code comment: Catrope; Nitpick: this file should live in trunk/phase3 because it touches an extension table.; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111008#c30626>
[01:23:35] <codurr>	 03reedy * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111011> 10/trunk/extensions/CategoryTree/ (4 files): Documentation, stylize, remove some global dependencies
[01:24:00] <codurr>	 03asher * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111012> 10/branches/REL1_19/phase3/maintenance/archives/patch-af_page_user_token-index.sql: article_feedback migration included in wmf 1.19 deployment
[01:24:18] <codurr>	 New code comment: Catrope; Eh? Shouldn't the line be removed completely, rather than just moved down?; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111009#c30627>
[01:24:18] <codurr>	 New code comment: Reedy; Not really any other places this can go get \ Wants moving into 1.19wmf1 when branched; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111008#c30628>
[01:24:33] <codurr>	 03werdna * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111013> 10/trunk/extensions/ClickTracking/modules/jquery.clickTracking.js: Apply changes per CR r111001: direct comparisons with undefined, Error instead of $.error, and use mw.util.wikiScript
[01:24:37] <werdna>	 RoanKattouw: See ^^
[01:25:02] <codurr>	 New code comment: Reedy; wat indeed; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111009#c30629>
[01:25:02] <codurr>	 New code comment: Catrope; It could go in extensions/ArticleFeedback , I'm about to edit make-wmf-branch to pull that ext from ; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111008#c30630>
[01:25:16] <codurr>	 03asher * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111014> 10/branches/REL1_19/phase3/maintenance/upgrade-1.19wmf1-1.php:
[01:25:16] <codurr>	 1.19 schema migration script for wmf,
[01:25:17] <codurr>	 exempts revision.rev_sha1 column from enwiki for now
[01:25:35] <codurr>	 03reedy * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111015> 10/branches/REL1_19/phase3/includes/installer/SqliteUpdater.php:
[01:25:35] <codurr>	 Remove, don't move
[01:25:35] <codurr>	 Pign r11109
[01:25:48] <tjf>	 Reedy: sorry if I'm annoying, but since there's no docs afaict, do you think you could aid me in writing the API module when you're not busy?
[01:26:17] <codurr>	 New code comment: Catrope; <pre> \ - if ( typeof options.info != 'undefined' ) { \ + if ( options.info === undefined ) { \ </pre> \ Y; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111013#c30631>
[01:26:19] <sumanah>	 tjf: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/API:Extensions
[01:26:32] <codurr>	 New code comment: Reedy; Already done in r110975; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111008#c30632>
[01:26:35] <tjf>	 sumanah: ah, thanks.
[01:27:08] <sumanah>	 tjf: sorry, it's not an obvious place to look
[01:28:27] <sumanah>	 werdna: had a chance to look at https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20472 ?
[01:29:19] <sumanah>	 werdna: I'd also love to know your thoughts re Nikola Kovacs taking over as maintainer of AbuseFilter
[01:31:07] <codurr>	 03werdna * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111016> 10/trunk/extensions/ClickTracking/modules/jquery.clickTracking.js: Fix silliness :)
[01:31:40] <werdna>	 what does that mean in practice?
[01:32:38] <werdna>	 RoanKattouw: okay, that's fixed
[01:32:40] <werdna>	 silly me
[01:33:20] <sumanah>	 werdna: I am rereading my email "AbuseFilter & other patches, and encouraging volunteer development" from 10 Jan.... I am thinking, I want a higher bus factor for this extension, so making Nikola a comaintainer would mean faster patch review, possibly improvements etc
[01:33:31] <sumanah>	 werdna: but that depends on whether you think he's suitable
[01:33:57] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Make rev_sha1 on exports per-wiki configurable - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34285  summary; +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[01:34:24] <codurr>	 03jeroendedauw * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111017> 10/trunk/phase3/includes/Title.php: put in r110285 again now that 1.19 branched
[01:34:33] <werdna>	 I don't know anything about Nikola Kovacs. I think s/he would need some mentoring, depending on where you set the bar for that title (which is ultimately what it is)
[01:35:00] <sumanah>	 werdna: well then, would you like to work with him/her and find out? I'd like to help ramp up and encourage this volunteer and you are a good candidate to actually do that
[01:35:01] <Reedy>	 Does it really need to be so formal?
[01:35:10] <werdna>	 It probably means in practice that I need to spend more time working with that extension, which I need to anyway.
[01:35:52] <sumanah>	 werdna: so, you could reply to that email and invite Nikola to work with you, learn ropes, etc.
[01:36:16] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Make rev_sha1 on exports per-wiki configurable - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34285  (10Rob Lanphier)
[01:37:38] <sumanah>	 Reedy: in the long run, it would be nice if, for every extension and important component of our systems, there were more than one expert.  "maintainer" is a reasonable term for the extensions bit but I'm not about to set up rituals with scepters or whatever
[01:38:25] <sumanah>	 In order to work towards that goal, I want to help ramp up interested volunteers, which means that instead of just working by themselves, experts like werdna would do a bit of teaching & mentoring
[01:38:52] <werdna>	 Let me see what I can do tomorrow
[01:38:53] <sumanah>	 Unknow: if you specify which bots you want the source code for, people can help give it to you
[01:38:54] <werdna>	 it's coming up to six
[01:39:14] <Reedy>	 werdna: it's 1.40am for me, and 2.40am for Roan
[01:39:14] <sumanah>	 werdna: understood - sorry, forgot you're not in the antipodes
[01:39:17] <codurr>	 New code comment: ^demon; Should've just reverted this out of trunk before branching. Meh.; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111006#c30633>
[01:39:22] <Reedy>	 Your point sir? ;)
[01:39:35] <p858snake|l_>	 Some people enjoy sleep
[01:39:47] <RoanKattouw>	 Well crap, Reedy's right
[01:39:49] <RoanKattouw>	 It's almost 3am
[01:39:54] <Reedy>	 haha
[01:40:07] <sumanah>	 you broke the trance!
[01:40:13] <sumanah>	 now Wile E. Coyote will fall
[01:40:32] <codurr>	 New code comment: Catrope; Per IRC, the root pass should be pulled from /usr/local/bin not from /home/wikipedia/bin , because t; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111014#c30634>
[01:40:47] <Reedy>	 And we might have gotten away with it too, if it wasn't for those pesky kids
[01:41:27] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Turn wfHttpError() into a wrapper for HttpError exception - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34151  summary; +comment (10Rob Lanphier)
[01:41:41] <Joan>	 //$this->sourceUpgradeFile( $db, dirname( __FILE__ ) .'/schema-changes-1.19wmf1-1.sql' );
[01:41:56] <Reedy>	 Joan: see -dev
[01:42:00] <Unknow>	 sumanah, Alls. "codurr", "wikibugs_", etc...
[01:42:04] <sumanah>	 Amgine: you may be interested in https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Engineering/Project_documentation_howto if you discover new mobile-related or other stuff
[01:42:19] <p858snake|l_>	 Unknow: codurr is Joan, the source is on mediawiki wiki
[01:42:27] <p858snake|l_>	 wikibugs is in our svn
[01:42:41] <Amgine>	 Thank you Sumnah!
[01:42:42] <p858snake|l_>	 http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Codurr
[01:43:11] <Unknow>	 p858snake|l_, Thanks!
[01:43:34] <Amgine>	 <book marks for after Amgine understands PDO>
[01:45:37] <sumanah>	 Amgine: added to https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/UCOSP_Spring_2012
[01:45:50] <Amgine>	 ty!
[01:46:10] <sumanah>	 Amgine: that is, I added the template
[01:46:17] <MTecknology>	 I can't figure out why uploading an image is breaking. http://wiki.nginx.org/File:Propaganda_nginx-battleship.svg
[01:46:46] <MTecknology>	 kinda getting on my last nerve - any smart people able to help? :)
[01:46:47] <Reedy>	 Uploading it's fine
[01:46:59] <Reedy>	 It's imagemagik barfing at creating thumbnails
[01:47:00] <Reedy>	 !thumb
[01:47:00] <mw-bot>	 For information on configuring thumbnailing on MediaWiki, please refer to <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Image_Administration#Image_thumbnailing>.
[01:47:13] <sumanah>	 Amgine: to https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/UCOSP_Spring_2012 
[01:47:24] <Reedy>	 See the svg section :)
[01:47:25] <codurr>	 03asher * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111018> 10/branches/REL1_19/phase3/maintenance/upgrade-1.19wmf1-1.php: path fix and cleanup
[01:47:49] <Amgine>	 Lead? <edits that quickly before anyone gets bad ideas>
[01:48:40] <sumanah>	 Amgine: I just realized there was nothing about UCOSP in the January engineering report -- I guess the mobile folks didn't really think of it as one of their Projects but I think it should be in there
[01:48:57] <Amgine>	 'tsokay; we'd just started.
[01:49:01] <sumanah>	 wellll but still.
[01:49:04] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Enable Extension:ShortUrl on or.wikipedia, ta.wikipedia... - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/1450  +comment (10bawolff+wn)
[01:49:24] <mw-jenkinsbot>	 Yippie, build fixed!
[01:49:24] <mw-jenkinsbot>	 Project MediaWiki-REL1_19-phpunit build #2: FIXED in 5 min 23 sec: http://integration.mediawiki.org/ci/job/MediaWiki-REL1_19-phpunit/2/
[01:49:25] <sumanah>	 Amgine: added a stub to the Feb report
[01:49:34] <Amgine>	 <grin> Thanks sumanah!
[01:50:00] <sumanah>	 ok, I have to go, I said to my spouse that I'd be doing half an hour more of work, like, 90 min ago
[01:50:10] <Amgine>	 <laughs>
[01:50:10] <sumanah>	 bye
[01:52:04] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Enable Extension:ShortUrl on or.wikipedia, ta.wikipedia... - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/1450  +comment (10sam)
[01:57:51] <MTecknology>	 Reedy: looks like the version is too old.. I have all the files on my system that it would be creating and pushed them up there; is there any way I can have MW use teh uploaded files?
[01:59:35] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Make rev_sha1 on exports per-wiki configurable - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34285  +comment (10sam)
[01:59:39] <MTecknology>	 files from an old mw install *
[02:02:26] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Make use of rev_sha1 per-wiki configurable - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34285  summary (10Aaron Schulz)
[02:06:12] <Reedy>	 MTecknology: sorry, I don't follow
[02:07:28] <MTecknology>	 Reedy: 1) I'm still not figuring it out 2) This wiki was migrated from an old and I reuploaded all the images, I have the propely converted files, is there any way to tell MW to just use the files I dropped in the path?
[02:07:45] <MTecknology>	 1) I'm still not figuring out how to fix the error *
[02:11:05] <Reedy>	 It somewhat depends on your thumbnail epoch value
[02:11:19] <Reedy>	 You'd be better fixing the error, rather than working around it so you don't get it later
[02:16:29] <MTecknology>	 Reedy: I feel like it's more likely that this is an issue specific to imagemagic on the system :( .. convert: unrecognized color `"#linearGradient5153") rgb(0, 0, 0' @ color.c/QueryMagickColor/2515.
[02:17:13] <Reedy>	 it does sound like it
[02:18:01] <Reedy>	 are you using an old version?
[02:18:49] <MTecknology>	 6.5.7
[02:19:52] <Reedy>	 hmm, 2 and a half years or so
[02:20:11] <MTecknology>	 ya...
[02:20:12] <MTecknology>	 http://wiki.nginx.org/File:Propaganda_nginx-battleship.svg
[02:20:26] <MTecknology>	 the 'Full Resolution' one is correct
[02:20:52] <Reedy>	 because it isn't attempting to create a thumbnail for it
[02:21:12] <MTecknology>	 or- attempting and failing?
[02:23:25] <Reedy>	 no
[02:23:36] <Reedy>	 your browser is rendering the svg itself
[02:23:46] <Reedy>	 !thumb
[02:23:46] <mw-bot>	 For information on configuring thumbnailing on MediaWiki, please refer to <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Image_Administration#Image_thumbnailing>.
[02:24:24] <Reedy>	 Best suggestion is to upgrade imagemagick if you can, else try another thumbnailer for svg
[02:24:59] <codurr>	 03brion * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111019> 10/trunk/mockups/glaucus-quick/ (. app.js glaucus.css index.html):
[02:24:59] <codurr>	 Quick mockup of Glaucus layout for menu / touch target testing
[02:24:59] <codurr>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Glaucus
[02:25:01] <Reedy>	 I'm outta here as it's nearly 2.30am
[02:25:37] <MTecknology>	 aight- thanks
[02:53:18] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) add appendtext to URL driven requests - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31919  (10Alpha Quadrant)
[03:50:34] <tashir>	 how can an API query implementation get the IP address of the client?
[03:52:24] <TimStarling>	 $this->getRequest()->getIP()
[03:52:42] <tashir>	 thanks!
[03:52:54] <TimStarling>	 in 1.19 at least
[03:53:08] <TimStarling>	 in earlier versions, wfGetIP() is probably safer but it will give you a deprecation warning in 1.19
[03:53:36] <tashir>	 tjf: ^
[03:56:16] <tjf>	 TimStarling: But will the former still work in 1.18?
[03:57:15] <TimStarling>	 no
[03:57:28] <tjf>	 ok
[03:57:29] <wikibugs_>	 03(NEW) [RT] fatal error when "pages with the prefix" field contains a namespace followed by a colon - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34287 normal; MediaWiki extensions: ReplaceText; (fastgoldfish)
[03:57:53] <TimStarling>	 wfGetIP() is the only option in 1.18
[05:05:42] <Unknow>	 p858snake|l_, Hey! What it's svn?
[05:08:02] <p858snake|l_>	 Unknow: https://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/tools/wikibugs/
[05:08:50] <Unknow>	 p858snake|l_, In this link download the source code for wikibugs?
[05:09:30] <p858snake|l_>	 well you can view it by clicking on wikibugs then Head: View
[05:09:36] <p858snake|l_>	 or grab it via a SVN client
[05:10:32] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Enable Extension:ShortUrl on or.wikipedia, ta.wikipedia... - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/1450  +comment (10yuvipanda)
[05:13:10] <wikibugs_>	 03(NEW) Allow blocking private (internal) IPs passed by X-Forwarded-For - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34288 enhancement; MediaWiki: Blocking; (matthew.flaschen)
[05:19:34] <Smaug>	 hey all
[05:20:45] <Smaug>	 i'm installing 1.18, and in the set up I see a section entitled "Existing Wiki," between "Language" and "Welcome to Mediawiki" that is skipped over.  what is this section for?
[05:21:01] <Smaug>	 is it for use in upgradeing from a previous version?
[05:27:04] <Smaug>	 at some point i will be upgrading 1.13 to 1.18, can the update.php script handle this in a single go?
[05:42:59] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) change the default Hebrew font - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/30437  +comment (10volker.haas)
[06:07:16] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) URLs with semantic property of type URL comes out with http:////... - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34044  +comment (10badon)
[06:12:29] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) URLs with semantic property of type URL comes out with http:////... - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34044  (10badon)
[06:13:21] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) URLs with semantic property of type URL comes out with http:////... - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34044  (10badon)
[06:13:40] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) [SMW] 1.6 to 1.7 property type "URL" cannot be queried by property when the URL contains equal sign character "=" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/32955  (10badon)
[06:57:17] <codurr>	 New code comment: MaxSem; Congratulations, everyone!; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110996#c30641>
[07:11:22] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) several bugs on deployment test site for 1.19 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33578  +comment (10benapetr)
[07:12:18] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) several bugs on deployment test site for 1.19 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33578  +comment (10benapetr)
[07:13:03] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) update.php stuck on update revision on large db - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33558  +comment (10benapetr)
[07:33:35] <wikibugs_>	 03(NEW) UserOptionsModule styles are loaded twice - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34289 normal; MediaWiki: Resource Loader; (niklas.laxstrom)
[07:36:47] <wikibugs_>	 03(NEW) [SF] Special:RunQuery needs standard input "cancel" to clear the form - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34290 enhancement; MediaWiki extensions: SemanticForms; (fastgoldfish)
[07:39:53] <codurr>	 03christian * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111020> 10/trunk/extensions/VisualEditor/modules/ve/ce/ve.es.Surface.js: using transact
[08:03:17] <codurr>	 New code comment: Nikerabbit; docs/hooks.txt?; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111017#c30648>
[08:41:47] <codurr>	 03christian * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111021> 10/trunk/extensions/VisualEditor/modules/ve/ce/ve.es.Surface.js: removing beforepaste event for now. it was hyper
[08:45:02] <wikibugs_>	 03(NEW) activating abuse filter for fa.wiktionary and fa.wikibook and wikisource - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34291 normal; MediaWiki extensions: AbuseFilter; (reza.energy)
[08:55:17] <codurr>	 New code comment: Hashar; Thanks Aaron!; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110968#c30650>
[08:57:14] <hashar>	 hello
[09:01:45] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) activating abuse filter for fa.wiktionary and fa.wikibook and wikisource - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34291  +comment (10p858snake)
[09:02:30] <Barnerd>	 Looks like FCKeditor plugin is broken in 1.18.1
[09:02:49] <Barnerd>	 Is this a place to ask for assistance or is it considered an non-MW developement?
[09:03:59] <p858snake|l>	 You ideally want to speak to the extensions authors, but iirc its been abandoned by its authors 
[09:04:24] <Barnerd>	 Great :D
[09:05:06] <Barnerd>	 Looked at the WikiEditor as well but that doesn't really look like WYSIWYG
[09:05:08] <p858snake|l>	 We don't really have any decent WYSIWYG extensions, although one is slowly in the works at present
[09:08:02] <Barnerd>	 And now switching to extensions/WikiEditor isn't working as expected
[09:08:13] * Barnerd  empties cache and tries again...

[09:12:34] <Barnerd>	 At least WikiEditor works
[09:12:53] <Barnerd>	 Yet it isn't WYSIWYG and this wiki will have a lot of novices...
[09:20:16] <Barnerd>	 The art of READING!!! :D
[09:20:32] <Barnerd>	 Extension:FCKeditor (Official) This extension is obsolete! You are advised against using this extension on a live site.
[09:24:42] <Saruman>	 Barnerd: mebby you can use forms for the most novice users
[09:25:20] <Saruman>	 !e SemanticForms
[09:25:20] <mw-bot>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:SemanticForms
[09:28:41] <Barnerd>	 Saruman: Checking it out, thanks
[09:30:23] <wikibugs_>	 03(FIXED) Application should default to user/phone locale - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/32005  +comment (10Yuvi Panda)
[09:34:50] <codurr>	 03hashar * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111022> 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ (5 files in 3 dirs): Fix some missing doc groups
[09:49:09] <svip>	 Is the whole Lua thing a joke?
[09:53:33] <gwicke>	 svip: the answer to that question might be self-evident ;)
[09:53:46] <svip>	 I should hope so.
[09:53:50] <svip>	 But you never know these days.
[09:54:15] <svip>	 I mean, black president?  Get outta here!  But now look!
[09:54:40] <gwicke>	 svip: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Lua_scripting/Meeting_2012-01-25
[09:57:09] <svip>	 That's the worst record taking ever.
[09:57:38] <svip>	 Still...
[09:57:51] <svip>	 I am not certain what the conclusion is other than a follow up.
[09:58:10] <svip>	 I guess Lua scripting is not worthy of digital communication.
[09:58:39] <apergos>	 no the lua project is not a joke
[09:58:52] <svip>	 I can tell from the summary page.
[09:58:53] <apergos>	 people are really really serious about providing an alternative to th current templating system
[09:58:56] <apergos>	 which is awful...
[09:59:05] <svip>	 It is awful.
[09:59:12] <svip>	 Mostly because it is being used in a way it was never intended.
[09:59:13] <gwicke>	 especially for performance
[09:59:21] <apergos>	 yes, it is
[09:59:31] <apergos>	 otoh if we had thought about it for 5 minutes we would have known
[09:59:39] <apergos>	 that this is exactly how it would be used eventually
[10:00:03] <svip>	 I guess you forgot to think about it for five minutes.
[10:00:07] <apergos>	 (to be honest I am sure people did think about it but there are only so many hours in the day 
[10:00:08] <svip>	 Or maybe you were like, 'eh'.
[10:00:21] <apergos>	 and better to have something workable for simple cases, than nothing at all)
[10:00:48] <svip>	 Indeed.
[10:01:06] <svip>	 I assume you did not anticipate the complicated features people wanted from the templates.
[10:01:34] <gwicke>	 it is also an example of incremental development winning over a big, top-down design
[10:01:53] <apergos>	 that's usually how it works
[10:01:58] <apergos>	 you write something
[10:02:04] <apergos>	 and then organic growth sets in
[10:02:09] <svip>	 Like PHP?
[10:02:12] * gwicke  nods

[10:02:17] <RoanKattouw>	 svip: It was hard for RobLa to take these notes because he was also actively involved in the discussion. You get better notes if they're taken by someone who's just listening and doesn't have to think about the issue themselves
[10:02:31] <svip>	 I understand.
[10:02:39] <svip>	 But I would spend time afterwards cleaning them up.
[10:04:02] <svip>	 Fortunately, I don't write documentation around here.
[10:04:10] <svip>	 Although, I am not certain anyone does that.
[10:04:40] <svip>	 Gasp.
[10:05:02] <svip>	 I have to say, Sony is very informative about its changes to its PSN.
[10:05:21] <svip>	 Apparently, they are changing the name of what an account is termed as.
[10:05:40] <svip>	 But what's REALLY crazy is that the name is now SO LOCALISED, its name is in Danish.
[10:06:11] <svip>	 They went from "PlayStation®Network accounts" to "Sony Entertainment Network konti".
[10:06:16] <tashir>	 Which is the best Lua unicode string library? The one that someone pointed two seems missing ("selene"?)
[10:06:51] <svip>	 I don't believe that count as an 'important message'.
[10:07:05] <apergos>	 I should look at those, I think they are more recent than the latest info I have 
[10:07:11] <apergos>	 the notes from the lua meeting I mean
[10:07:21] <svip>	 tashir: It is not default in Lua?
[10:07:28] <svip>	 A unicode string library that is.
[10:08:37] <tashir>	 no, it's 8-bit only
[10:08:57] <svip>	 wat
[10:09:03] <svip>	 That's just ASCII Extended.
[10:10:32] <apergos>	 booo
[10:11:49] <tashir>	 maybe https://github.com/duncanc/icu4lua/ is good. It's supposedly a big IBM unicode library 
[10:12:15] <tale>	 http://lua-users.org/wiki/LuaUnicode
[10:12:48] <tashir>	 yeah, that's where I found it, and the first one listed there "slunicode" is missing from LuaForge
[10:13:28] <tashir>	 or maybe not: http://files.luaforge.net/releases/sln/slnunicode/1.1a
[10:15:56] <svip>	 Listen.
[10:16:09] <svip>	 Do you think anyone will mind MediaWiki not supporting Unicode?
[10:18:00] <apergos>	 ha ha, very funny
[10:18:51] <RoanKattouw>	 Yeah, Lua has no native Unicode support
[10:19:03] <RoanKattouw>	 But I believe there's lots of people that have worked around that successfully
[10:19:39] <p858snake|l>	 meh, it's not like the foundation runs anything other than the english wikipedia *runs* ¬.¬
[10:20:32] <RoanKattouw>	 heh, right, that's why I keep fixing LocalisationUpdate bugs
[10:21:39] <Nikerabbit>	 hi RoanKattouw
[10:22:19] <Nikerabbit>	 do you have time to help me debug https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34289
[10:22:39] <RoanKattouw>	 huh
[10:22:40] <RoanKattouw>	 OK
[10:22:42] <RoanKattouw>	 In a minute
[10:22:51] <Nikerabbit>	 (seen in translatewiki.net)
[10:28:00] <RoanKattouw>	 confirmed on trunk
[10:29:32] <RoanKattouw>	 OK, that's weird
[10:29:37] <RoanKattouw>	 This is not supposed to be possibl
[10:29:46] <RoanKattouw>	 or wait
[10:32:51] <RoanKattouw>	 Found it
[10:36:21] <codurr>	 03catrope * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111023> 10/trunk/phase3/includes/OutputPage.php:
[10:36:21] <codurr>	 (bug 34289) user.options CSS loaded twice. Caused by r107534. Made embedded
[10:36:21] <codurr>	 private modules scripts-only, because the styles for user.options are included
[10:36:21] <codurr>	 separately in buildCssLinks(), because they need to be applied without
[10:36:21] <codurr>	 JavaScript and because they need to respect $wgAllowUserCssPrefs. No
[10:36:22] <codurr>	 RELEASE-NOTES because I want to merge this into 1.19 as a regression fix
[10:36:30] <wikibugs_>	 03(FIXED) UserOptionsModule styles are loaded twice - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34289  +comment (10Roan Kattouw)
[10:36:33] <RoanKattouw>	 Nikerabbit: ---^^
[10:37:00] <Nikerabbit>	 RoanKattouw: could as well have said "Can you fix this for me"
[10:37:03] * RoanKattouw  is not that happy with that nested 'because' construct in retrospect

[10:37:06] <Nikerabbit>	 RoanKattouw: tagged for backporting?
[10:37:12] <RoanKattouw>	 Tagging now
[10:37:49] <RoanKattouw>	 Heh, that's the first rev tagged for 1.19
[10:38:05] <RoanKattouw>	 Yeah I was starting to debug it and two minutes later I'd found the cause
[10:38:15] <RoanKattouw>	 My favorite kind of bug
[10:38:49] <Nikerabbit>	 RoanKattouw: and the fix is oneliner
[10:38:51] <Nikerabbit>	 :)
[10:39:15] <Nikerabbit>	 should the code have comments too?
[10:39:53] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) update.php stuck on update revision on large db - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33558  +comment (10benapetr)
[10:40:15] <RoanKattouw>	 Yeah, one-liners are awesome
[10:40:20] <RoanKattouw>	 My favorite bug fix ever is still http://identi.ca/notice/64641179
[10:40:45] <RoanKattouw>	 Hmm, comments, maybe
[10:40:55] <RoanKattouw>	 But the other things in that function are also TYPE_SCRIPTS
[10:41:06] <RoanKattouw>	 Yeah I guess I'll add a comment
[10:42:57] <codurr>	 03catrope * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111024> 10/trunk/phase3/includes/OutputPage.php: Explanatory comment for r111023
[10:43:25] <Nikerabbit>	 oops
[10:43:26] <Nikerabbit>	 Uncaught TypeError: Cannot read property 'options' of undefined
[10:43:34] <RoanKattouw>	 eh?
[10:43:36] <RoanKattouw>	 Oh crap
[10:43:46] <RoanKattouw>	 Yeah, I know why that's happening
[10:44:05] <codurr>	 03raymond * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111025> 10/trunk/translatewiki/MediaWiki/ (WikimediaMainAgg.yaml mediawiki-defines.txt): Re-enable Wikimedia Licence text per r110976
[10:44:32] <codurr>	 New code comment: Hashar; We had actions in two different "Action" groups, the plural one "Actions" and the singular one "Acti; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110942#c30651>
[10:45:41] <RoanKattouw>	 grr
[10:45:51] <RoanKattouw>	 OK you know what
[10:46:00] <RoanKattouw>	 I'm just gonna split user.options into two different modules
[10:49:15] <RoanKattouw>	 hah!
[10:49:17] <RoanKattouw>	 		// FIXME: This stuff should really be in its own module, because it gets double-loaded otherwise
[10:49:18] <RoanKattouw>	 		// (once through a <link>, once when embedded as JS)
[10:49:23] <RoanKattouw>	 Apparently my past self knew about this
[10:49:46] <Nikerabbit>	 lol
[10:50:02] <codurr>	 New code comment: Nikerabbit; Should the monospaced variant of Dejavu be here too? Or just not specify any fonts? \ + font-family: ; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/105122#c30652>
[10:50:10] <RoanKattouw>	 Back in July in fact
[10:50:25] <RoanKattouw>	 For an explanation of why today's commit broke things, I can refer to the commit summary of https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/93363 :D
[10:51:35] <Nikerabbit>	 is it hard to fix?
[10:52:26] <RoanKattouw>	 No
[10:52:32] <RoanKattouw>	 I was just lazy back then
[10:52:41] <RoanKattouw>	 Or, looking at the date, I think that was during OSCON
[10:53:40] <svip>	 http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=who+is+fat%3F << Well, colour me disappointed!
[10:56:40] <codurr>	 03hashar * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111026> 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ (OutputHandler.php cache/HTMLFileCache.php): debug statements for HTMLFileCache / Output
[10:58:22] <wikibugs_>	 03(NEW) android wikipedia app does not show license or authors, no way to go to history page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34292 critical; Wikimedia Mobile: android; (daniel.kinzler)
[10:59:56] <codurr>	 03catrope * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111027> 10/trunk/phase3/includes/OutputPage.php: Revert r111023 and r111024, they broke user.options . I'll fix this properly by splitting user.options's CSS part into a separate module; I've apparently known this was needed since r93363
[11:01:34] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) android wikipedia app does not show license or authors, no way to go to history page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34292  +comment (10Daniel Kinzler)
[11:02:41] <codurr>	 03hashar * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111028> 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES-1.20 includes/Setup.php):
[11:02:41] <codurr>	 (bug 34254) fix gzipped file cache double compressing output
[11:02:41] <codurr>	 A gzipped file cache is enabled by setting $wgUseGzip and $wgUseFileCache.
[11:02:41] <codurr>	 To save CPU cycles, HTMLFileCache would print the compressed output as is
[11:02:41] <codurr>	 but WebStart uses an ob_gzhandler so we end up with a double compression.
[11:02:58] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) FileCache + Gzip outputs garbage - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34254  +comment (10hashar)
[11:04:29] <codurr>	 03catrope * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111029> 10/trunk/phase3/ (5 files in 3 dirs):
[11:04:29] <codurr>	 (bug 34289) user.options CSS loaded twice. Fixed by splitting off the CSS part
[11:04:29] <codurr>	 of user.options into a separate module (user.cssprefs), as per the fixme comment
[11:04:29] <codurr>	 added in r93363. No RELEASE-NOTEs because this is a regression fix that I'm
[11:04:29] <codurr>	 gonna tag for backporting to 1.19
[11:05:08] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) UserOptionsModule styles are loaded twice - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34289  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[11:06:17] <wikibugs_>	 03(NEW) Android app should allow pinch and zoom - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34293 normal; Wikimedia Mobile: android; (daniel.kinzler)
[11:06:59] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Android app should allow pinch and zoom or variable font sizes - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31765  +comment (10Daniel Kinzler)
[11:08:04] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) android wikipedia app does not link to authors/history - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34292  summary (10Daniel Kinzler)
[11:09:19] <Coke>	 The manual says "The site administrator has to make the following choice in LocalSettings.php" but then it doesn't list what those option names are and I have nothing except wgLanguageCode in there by default. How do I add a list (whitelist) of languages?
[11:09:41] <Nikerabbit>	 list of languages to do what?
[11:09:46] <Coke>	 Nikerabbit: to choose from
[11:09:48] <Coke>	 in the sidebar
[11:10:14] <Nikerabbit>	 there is no configuration variable for such thing
[11:10:48] <Coke>	 "Support only a certain set of languages (whitelist)"
[11:10:49] <Coke>	 from the manual
[11:11:04] <Nikerabbit>	 link?
[11:12:42] <Coke>	 http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Multilingual_MediaWiki#Admin_choices
[11:13:43] <Coke>	 Here's the behavior I want: in the sidebar I have four languages to choose from. If the requested page does not exist in the chosen language, the default page/lang is used.
[11:14:46] <Nikerabbit>	 the first line in that page: These are development specifications, not documentation. This feature does not exist yet. For details on setting up a family of wikis in different languages connected by interlanguage links, see Manual:Wiki family
[11:15:30] <Nikerabbit>	 you can achieve something similar with Translate extension and some hacks
[11:15:56] <Coke>	 Hm. Weird. I thought mediawiki was the same wiki as wikipedia
[11:17:08] <tale>	 Coke: It is. Wikipedia uses http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Wiki_family
[11:17:19] <Coke>	 So basically, there's one wikipedia for every language?
[11:17:25] <tale>	 Coke: Yes.
[11:17:59] <Coke>	 How does every page know if a translation is available?
[11:18:05] <Coke>	 And in what languages
[11:18:09] <Coke>	 "hack" ?
[11:18:29] <tale>	 Coke: A robot goes through all pages and creates the links if a translated article is in some other language wiki.
[11:23:54] <Coke>	 thanks
[11:49:33] <Mraedis>	 Hello people! I upgraded from 1.15.3 to 1.18.1, everything seems to be working, but the page Special:SpecialPages, and as far as I can tell ONLY that page, not the others in the NameSpace, isn't showing. I didn't find any information on this so I came here, any ideas?
[11:50:22] <hashar>	 Mraedis: have you looked at the web server error log?
[11:50:48] <hashar>	 by "ins't showing", do you mean it gives a blank page?
[11:50:51] <Mraedis>	 Yes
[11:50:57] <Mraedis>	 It loads, but nothing to display
[11:51:18] <hashar>	 so that sounds like a server side error.  You want to find out your apache error log file and look at it
[11:51:22] <Mraedis>	 And I haven't looked at the web server error log, as I am unsure where to find that
[11:51:28] <hashar>	 hehe
[11:51:31] <Mraedis>	 I'll ask my fellow admin
[11:51:42] <hashar>	 on unix it is usually in  /var/log/apache2/error_log
[11:52:13] <hashar>	 Mraedis: do you have any extension installed?  You might try to disable them all and check again
[11:52:35] <Mraedis>	 Nope, no extensions
[11:52:38] <Mraedis>	 As fresh as they come
[11:52:54] <Mraedis>	 I have disabled the StartProfiler (as recommended in the upgrade section) because that was giving an error too
[11:58:26] <Mraedis>	 Not seeing any errors here. :[ will keep on looking
[12:01:50] <tale>	 !debug | Mraedis 
[12:01:50] <mw-bot>	 Mraedis: For information on debugging (including viewing errors), see http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:How_to_debug
[12:09:31] <Mraedis>	 Nothing, tale. Is there a page that displays the changes made in LocalSettings.php for different version?
[12:09:34] <Mraedis>	 +s
[12:40:14] <wikibugs_>	 03(NEW) Can't upload an image on user registration - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34294 normal; Wikimedia: AcaWiki; (saul)
[12:47:02] <codurr>	 03sbachenberg * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111030> 10/trunk/extensions/SolrStore/SolrTalker.php: Fixed: Bug with wildcard search + AND / OR notworking together
[12:53:32] <codurr>	 New code comment: Nikerabbit; Comment doesn't seem to match the code. What if we have "mandate"?; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111030#c30653>
[12:54:32] <codurr>	 New code comment: VasilievVV; Besides, it's "uppercase", not "upercase".; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111030#c30654>
[12:56:25] <Mraedis>	 @ hashar / tale current error is: PHP Fatal error:  Allowed memory size of 33554432 bytes exhausted (tried to allocate 30720 bytes) in /home/bacchusg/public_html/wiki/includes/Xml.php on line 498
[12:58:19] <hashar>	 Mraedis: well done!! :)
[12:58:29] <Mraedis>	 Yay me.
[12:58:43] <hashar>	 Mraedis: so now you have to raise php memory limit
[12:58:49] <Mraedis>	 Trying to get my sysadmin to set the memory to 40M to try, yes
[12:59:15] <hashar>	 raise it to 128M
[12:59:27] <hashar>	 we use toooonnn of memory
[12:59:28] <_NiC>	 Hello! If I have a ready installed mediawiki 1.17 with a correct LocalSettings.php, but my database is empty, is there an easy way to have mediawiki recreate the tables and ask for the initial values it needs to insert?
[12:59:30] <Mraedis>	 Well that should be enough I guess :p
[12:59:44] <hashar>	 hi Chad :)
[12:59:54] <_NiC>	 Preferably command line.
[13:00:17] <wikibugs_>	 14(DUP) android wikipedia app does not link to authors/history - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34292  +comment (10Derk-Jan Hartman)
[13:00:17] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Fix up licensing and attribution of the Application and it's contributors - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33912  +comment (10Derk-Jan Hartman)
[13:02:28] <tale>	 _NiC: Is installing again ruled out?
[13:02:58] <tale>	 _NiC: And why 1.17? Latest release is 1.18.1.
[13:03:08] <_NiC>	 tale, well, no, but I'm rolling out multiple almost identical mediawikis, and would prefer to not install a bunch of times. :-)
[13:03:19] <_NiC>	 tale, the devs here have made some stuff that breaks in 1.18 sadly.. :-\
[13:03:53] <tale>	 _NiC: I *think* the update.php script in Maintenance/ creates the tables. But am not sure.
[13:03:59] <_NiC>	 I see that the webinterface asks me about an upgrade key since it's detected a LocalSettings.php
[13:04:10] <_NiC>	 update.php.. ok, I'll take a look at that.
[13:04:32] <hashar>	 you could rename LocalSettings.php to LocalSettings.BACKUP  and run the installer again
[13:04:44] <Daniel_WMDE>	 gah, wtf? that's not a dupe!
[13:04:58] <hashar>	 Daniel_WMDE: just reopen it :)
[13:05:01] <RoanKattouw>	 Yeah rerunning the installer is probably best
[13:05:10] <RoanKattouw>	 You can restore LocalSettings.php from a backup after
[13:06:47] <wikibugs_>	 04(REOPENED) android wikipedia app does not link to authors/history - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34292  +comment (10Daniel Kinzler)
[13:06:57] <_NiC>	 hm, yeah, the update.php didn't work quite as I hoped. Got a php fatal error :-)
[13:07:30] <_NiC>	 but speaking of LocalSettings.php, should I have different $wgSecretKey and $wgUpgradeKey for the various wikis, or isn't that a big deal?
[13:07:39] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) android wikipedia app does not link to authors/history of wikipedia article. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34292  summary (10Daniel Kinzler)
[13:13:51] <wikibugs_>	 14(WFM) activating abuse filter for fa.wiktionary and fa.wikibook and wikisource - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34291  +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[13:16:07] <wikibugs_>	 03(NEW) Allow setting aliases for the namespace separator for consistency of page name texts - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34295 normal; MediaWiki: Internationalization; (whym)
[13:21:09] <OMGOMG>	 anyone here set up lucene to handle multiple wikis (indexed separately)?
[13:33:20] <RandomTask>	 Anyone kicking?
[13:35:55] <OMGOMG>	 nm, extension talk was enlightening
[13:44:08] <RandomTask>	 Anyone feel like helping a noob with a php error?
[13:44:27] <codurr>	 03gwicke * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111031> 10/trunk/extensions/VisualEditor/modules/parser/ (5 files):
[13:44:27] <codurr>	 Move attribute expansion back to separate handler, as this makes it easier to
[13:44:27] <codurr>	 only expand used branches selected by parser functions. Template (and
[13:44:27] <codurr>	 -argument) expansion is simply registered before general expansion.
[13:44:27] <codurr>	 Additionally, a few more simple time-based magic words are added in
[13:44:28] <codurr>	 ParserFunctions.
[13:46:45] <OMGOMG>	 RandomTask: don't ask to ask, ask
[13:47:19] <guillom>	 Daniel_WMDE, I did write a chapter in that book, you know :) So yeah, I know Lydia :)
[13:47:25] <RandomTask>	 Fair enough. I set up a LAMP stack on ubuntu server 11.10 as directed, followed the instructions to install the server
[13:47:55] <RandomTask>	 All was going well but when I move the LocalSettings.php file into the mediaqiki-1.18.1 folder I am getting a server error
[13:48:03] <Daniel_WMDE>	 guillom: i guessed that this was why you were excited about getting that dead wood, yea :)
[13:48:21] <Nightrose>	 guillom: ;-)
[13:48:44] <Nightrose>	 Daniel_WMDE: you should check the ToC you know :P
[13:48:51] <Nightrose>	 and see who else is in there
[13:48:56] <Daniel_WMDE>	 *eek*
[13:49:00] <RandomTask>	 I checked the PHP settings, they looked fine as far as I can tell. and restarted apache
[13:49:06] <Daniel_WMDE>	 Nightrose: didn't know you were in the channel .)
[13:49:13] <RandomTask>	 Running on a VM, not that it should matter
[13:49:38] <Nightrose>	 Daniel_WMDE: preparation in progress  ;-)
[13:49:45] <tale>	 RandomTask: You have not said what error it was.
[13:49:46] <Daniel_WMDE>	 Nightrose: i only know the picture guillom just posted. but i will
[13:49:54] <Nightrose>	 cool cool
[13:50:06] <RandomTask>	 500 error trying to connect
[13:50:08] <Daniel_WMDE>	 guillom: do you plan to come to berlin for the hackathon?
[13:51:05] <guillom>	 Daniel_WMDE, I'm not sure I'll get to go, no. But OTOH I should go to Wikimania.
[13:51:37] <Daniel_WMDE>	 i hope Nightrose gets to go there...
[13:52:24] * Nightrose  does too :P

[13:52:56] <wikibugs_>	 03(FIXED) Put export-0.6.xsd on mw.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33995  +comment (10Antoine "hashar" Musso)
[13:53:51] <Daniel_WMDE>	 actually, i'm pretty sure that'll work out
[13:54:27] <Saruman>	 RandomTask: does the webserver have permission to read LocalSettings.php?
[13:54:31] <Mraedis>	 hashar: in case you were wondering, the problem was indeed solved by upping the memory to 64M
[13:54:49] <hashar>	 \o/
[13:55:35] <guillom>	 Btw Nightrose , a French FLOSS organization told me they were considering translating Open Advice into French :) I'll keep you posted when I have more info (if they actually do it). They translated "Producing OSS" in the past as well.
[13:56:17] <Nightrose>	 guillom: sweet - i have people interested in german and italian too - let's see if any of those work out
[13:56:31] <Nightrose>	 it's quite a lot of work...
[13:56:43] <guillom>	 Indeed.
[13:58:54] <RandomTask>	 That is a good question. Let me check
[14:04:55] <RandomTask>	 Saruman: A little chmod and we are good to go, thanks a lot
[14:06:44] <codurr>	 03gwicke * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111032> 10/trunk/extensions/VisualEditor/modules/parser/pegTokenizer.pegjs.txt: Fix a bug in wikilink with trail tokenization.
[14:09:44] <Reedy>	 hashar: I'm bored, shall we deploy 1.19 to enwiki?
[14:09:46] <Reedy>	 ;D
[14:10:03] <hashar>	 do you have someone from ops?
[14:10:16] <apergos>	 no
[14:10:24] <apergos>	 because we have the swift -> 100% today
[14:10:38] <apergos>	 let's not do two large things in the same day :-P :-P
[14:11:02] <codurr>	 03jeroendedauw * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111033> 10/trunk/phase3/docs/hooks.txt: follow up to r111017 - added docs
[14:11:07] <hashar>	 Reedy: you could release a first beta
[14:11:08] <Reedy>	 heh
[14:11:31] <Reedy>	 I know it's nearly trunk, but I've no idea if/how well it's been tested
[14:12:01] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Put export-0.6.xsd on mw.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33995  +comment (10hashar)
[14:12:26] <hashar>	 h
[14:12:35] <hashar>	 hopefully it will be less tricky than previous releases
[14:12:38] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) export should include page protection status - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34278  04BLOCKER->15enhancement (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[14:12:40] <hashar>	 cause we have tests! :D
[14:12:41] <Reedy>	 ^lolwut
[14:12:57] <Reedy>	 How on earth could that be a blocker? :/
[14:13:12] <RoanKattouw>	 apergos: Well, Mark is also directing all traffic to the eqiad Squids right now
[14:13:18] <hashar>	 it is a blocker to the reporter :)
[14:13:19] <RoanKattouw>	 :)
[14:13:20] <apergos>	 I noticed that
[14:13:27] <RoanKattouw>	 Yay progress
[14:13:54] <apergos>	 I have no idea
[14:14:12] <apergos>	 (how it could be a blocker, that's what the subsidiary tables are for)
[14:14:32] <Reedy>	 apergos: you mean you don't want to drop everything to fix it RIGHT NOW!?
[14:14:44] <apergos>	 er no
[14:14:49] <codurr>	 03catrope * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111034> 10/trunk/phase3/resources/Resources.php: Make mediawiki.legacy.ajax top-loading too, apparently some people are still using sajax on the live site. Eventually the legacy.ajax module should die entirely
[14:14:51] <Reedy>	 =D
[14:14:55] <apergos>	 I have *actual* urgent things to fix
[14:14:56] <hashar>	 I MA GOINT TO FORK DA PROJECT SO   !!!!!!!!!111!!!!!!!!!!BBQ!!!!!!
[14:15:06] <johnduhart>	 D3
[14:15:06] <mw-phab>	 D3 API changes - http://phabricator.wmflabs.org/D3
[14:17:53] <wikibugs_>	 03(FIXED) Change site logo for lb.wiktionary - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34253  +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[14:21:42] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) update.php stuck on update revision on large db - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33558  +comment (10sam)
[14:22:18] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Initial focus on Special:Block is nowhere - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34211  normal->trivial (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[14:24:34] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) ResourceLoader should work around IE's limit on number of <style> tags - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31676  +comment (10mediawiki)
[14:24:40] <hashar>	 Reedy: if you get bored, my english could use some help at http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110938#c30613
[14:27:56] <wikibugs_>	 03(FIXED) add alias redirection in ml wikisource - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34183  +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[14:29:01] <Reedy>	 hashar: wat
[14:29:06] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Error: event is undefined - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34267  (10mybugs.mail)
[14:29:17] <codurr>	 New code comment: Hashar; We should probably just drop the font-family. skins/common/commonElements.css define pre using \ fon; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/105122#c30655>
[14:29:33] <hashar>	 Nikerabbit: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/105122#c30655  :)
[14:30:09] <hashar>	 Reedy: AaronSchulz said my comment does not make sense
[14:30:15] <Reedy>	 Exactly
[14:30:27] <Reedy>	 What were you trying to say?
[14:30:32] <Nikerabbit>	 uga
[14:30:47] <RoanKattouw>	 I can't really tell what that's supposed to mean either
[14:31:22] <Reedy>	 hashar: write it in french and we can ask guillom nicely to translate ;)
[14:31:29] <hashar>	 Reedy: doxygen let us regroups class in module, I wanted to add a small introduction to each module
[14:31:40] <guillom>	 heh
[14:31:53] <hashar>	 j'aime le beurre et les épinards | guillon > reedy
[14:32:13] <guillom>	 Reedy, I like butter and spinach.
[14:32:27] <Reedy>	 Do you?
[14:32:28] <hashar>	 \o/
[14:32:33] <guillom>	 (And yes, it works even when you spell my nick wrong!)
[14:32:39] <Reedy>	 haha
[14:32:44] <guillom>	 Spinach, yes, butter, not too much.
[14:32:55] <hashar>	 Reedy: here is the introduction paragraph : https://svn.wikimedia.org/doc/group__FileRepo.html
[14:33:03] <hashar>	 "This module handles how MediaWiki interacts with filesystems. "
[14:33:36] <hashar>	 sorry wrong link.  https://svn.wikimedia.org/doc/group__FileBackend.html
[14:33:59] <Reedy>	 Quassel gives popups to irc
[14:34:02] <Reedy>	 it's quite amusing
[14:34:40] <codurr>	 03hashar * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111035> 10/trunk/phase3/resources/mediawiki/mediawiki.debug.css:
[14:34:40] <codurr>	 DebugToolbar: drop specific monospace font
[14:34:40] <codurr>	 Use the defaults coming from skins/common/commonElements.css
[14:34:40] <codurr>	 ping r105122
[14:34:42] <Reedy>	 "This module groups classes that MediaWiki should interact with"?
[14:35:02] <codurr>	 New code comment: Hashar; Removed with r111035.; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/105122#c30656>
[14:35:27] <hashar>	 I wanted to define "File backend"
[14:35:34] <hashar>	 I guess I am not sure what it is meant for :-))))))))))
[14:35:42] <Reedy>	 File backend is the backend classes for files
[14:35:48] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) update.php stuck on update revision on large db - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33558  +comment (10benapetr)
[14:35:54] <Reedy>	 s/classes/class/
[14:36:50] <dbolser>	 hello
[14:36:57] <dbolser>	 people in here are good at svn right?
[14:37:10] <dbolser>	 what is it called when you create one 'dependent' repo within anouther?
[14:37:24] <hashar>	 Reedy: "File backend is used to interact with file management systems such as SWIFT."
[14:37:48] <dbolser>	 like with the 'js editor' extension
[14:38:06] * dbolser  forgets the name of that extension

[14:38:09] <Reedy>	 dbolser: svn externals?
[14:38:16] <dbolser>	 externals! ty Reedy
[14:38:21] <dbolser>	 does it work on cvs?
[14:38:28] <Reedy>	 no idea, sorry
[14:38:31] <dbolser>	 np
[14:38:32] <Reedy>	 and srsly, cvs!?
[14:38:55] * dbolser  attempts to kill everyone he works for in an attempt to impose git

[14:39:02] <Reedy>	 1990 called, they want their version control back
[14:39:07] <dbolser>	 lol
[14:39:29] <hashar>	 I am not sure we had CVS back in 90's
[14:39:31] <hashar>	 I used RCS
[14:39:33] <dbolser>	 googling cvs externals just brings up svn hits... so I'm guessing no
[14:39:45] <Reedy>	 Wikipedia said it was released November 1990
[14:39:51] <hashar>	 does  "File backend is used to interact with file management systems such as SWIFT."  makes any sense
[14:40:05] <hashar>	 bah Wikipedia can be edited by anyone to make a point ...
[14:41:12] <Reedy>	 Yeah, that sounds alright
[14:41:17] <hashar>	 r 110938 thanks !
[14:41:19] <codurr>	 03hashar * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111036> 10/trunk/phase3/includes/filerepo/backend/FileBackend.php: reword doc from r110938
[14:41:41] <dbolser>	 lol
[14:41:55] <hashar>	 :-)
[14:41:59] <sumanah>	 Today I am working on improving the docs/HOWTOs/TODOs etc for the Pune hackathon.  Right now http://etherpad.wikimedia.org/i18hackathon has the localisation/internationalisation tutorial.  If anyone here can add the "step by step, here is how you would add a new key mapping to Narayam" exercise, that would be great
[14:42:02] <dbolser>	 hashar: go in and subtly change teh release dates of 10 sofwares as a test
[14:42:02] <codurr>	 New code comment: Hashar; Reworded with r111036 and checked by Reedy.; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110938#c30657>
[14:42:12] <sumanah>	 I asked the i18n team but they have been basically busy as hell with FOSDEM and travel
[14:42:22] <Reedy>	 sumanah: should just be 4 steps.. I think
[14:42:24] <Reedy>	 Let me see
[14:42:39] <hashar>	  Dick Grune developed CVS as a series of shell scripts in July 1986. There was a similar system available earlier in the mid-'70s developed by John Humbert.[1]
[14:42:42] <hashar>	 oh my ;..
[14:42:44] <hashar>	 we are getting old
[14:42:55] <dbolser>	 I'm not
[14:43:07] <sumanah>	 dbolser: what, you have The Repo Of Dorian Grey?
[14:43:09] <hashar>	 RCS : Initial release	1982; 30 years ago
[14:43:15] <dbolser>	 yes
[14:43:51] <sumanah>	 Reedy, hashar, look towards the end, like line 60 and after
[14:43:53] <Reedy>	 oh, key mapping
[14:43:54] <Reedy>	 bah
[14:44:40] <hashar>	 sumanah: are you at the hackaton?
[14:44:47] <sumanah>	 Reedy: if you have another suggestion for the exercise, I am listening
[14:45:05] <sumanah>	 hashar: no I am not at the Pune hackathon, nor am I at GLAMCamp DC.  I need time to actually follow up on the insane number of events we are having.
[14:45:16] <hashar>	 I have recently reviewed our API doc for the Message class . See https://svn.wikimedia.org/doc/classMessage.html#_details
[14:45:22] <sumanah>	 hashar: and, as you have possibly gathered, to write documentation for use at those events!
[14:45:28] <hashar>	 there are some very basic examples there that might need improvements
[14:46:06] <sumanah>	 hashar: if you can specify that in a step-by-step way that is suitable for newbies to work on, great!  Please add as an exercise in that etherpad
[14:46:21] <hashar>	 well I am a newbie myself :-D
[14:46:36] <sumanah>	 like, now, because I need time to clean up the prose and put it on the wiki and so on before the i18n team reviews it in about 12 hours for use during the Pune hackathon
[14:46:38] <hashar>	 I think you want Nikerabbit / siebrand 
[14:46:48] <sumanah>	 hashar: yes, but of course, they are in transit or busy right right now
[14:46:54] <codurr>	 03ashley * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111037> 10/trunk/extensions/Comments/CommentClass.php: Comments: fix bug #34281 -- don't show "reply" links to unprivileged users. Patch by Van de Bugger.
[14:47:01] <sumanah>	 hashar: if you can specify "these are the examples that need improving" then I can move forward with that
[14:47:08] <hashar>	 well lets train you in i18n messages so you can start fixing bugs :D
[14:47:20] <wikibugs_>	 03(FIXED) "Reply" link is shown always, even if a user cannot add comments. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34281  -need-review +reviewed; +comment (10Jack Phoenix)
[14:47:49] <sumanah>	 hashar: do you want me fixing bugs, which about 50 people do, or do you want me doing the work that more like 5 people have the skills and will to do?
[14:49:01] <sumanah>	 hi SPQRobin! do you have a moment to help me?
[14:49:50] <SPQRobin>	 hi sumanah, yes
[14:50:41] <codurr>	 03reedy * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111038> 10/trunk/extensions/Narayam/Narayam.hooks.php: Fixup hooks documentation and few minor stylize changes
[14:51:05] <codurr>	 03reedy * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111039> 10/trunk/extensions/Narayam/ (12 files in 3 dirs): Move ext.narayam.core modules to their own folder
[14:51:57] <wikibugs_>	 03(NEW) Narayam resources folder needs tidying up - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34296 trivial; MediaWiki extensions: Narayam; (sam)
[14:51:58] <JeroenDeDauw>	 Nikerabbit: poke
[14:52:13] <sumanah>	 SPQRobin: for http://etherpad.wikimedia.org/i18hackathon for the Pune hackathon, I need help writing up the exercise that the teachers will lead students through
[14:52:26] <hashar>	 sumanah: I have read the i18hackaton . I know neither the Webfont nor they Narayam extensions :-/
[14:52:36] <JeroenDeDauw>	 Nikerabbit: do you know if it's possible to have a log entry in 2 logs? ie have it in "Deletion log" and "Some other log"?
[14:53:11] <sumanah>	 ok, thanks hashar but what specifically needs improvement in the Message class examples?
[14:53:19] <codurr>	 03ashley * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111040> 10/trunk/extensions/Comments/CommentClass.php: Comments: fix bug #34284 -- redirect the user to the page they came from by sticking the returnto parameter to the URL. Patch by Van de Bugger (with a minor correction by me).
[14:53:44] <wikibugs_>	 03(FIXED) Vote buttons for not-yet-logged in user. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34284  -need-review +reviewed; +comment (10Jack Phoenix)
[14:53:54] <sumanah>	 hashar: do they need to be more specific? do we need more of them?  do we need examples in other character sets?  are there types of messages that are not covered in this documentation?
[14:54:17] <hashar>	 sumanah: that documentation is really basic. I have just reformatted the good old existing one
[14:54:51] <hashar>	 at least it give an introduction to message support
[14:54:59] <sumanah>	 SPQRobin: If you can go to that etherpad and go to the Exercise section at the end and write basic instructions, the "step by step, here is how you would add a new key mapping to Narayam" exercise, that would be great
[14:56:01] <sumanah>	 hashar: unless I know what to tell the students to do, this does not work as an exercise.  I cannot just wave my hands and say "make it .... better!" I need to say more like, "add an example for the ____ case" or "add an example for each case in a non-latin character set" or something like that.
[14:56:41] <SPQRobin>	 sumanah: I see, I'll try to add what I know
[14:57:06] <sumanah>	 Thank you SPQRobin.  they'll start using this in about.... 18 hours
[14:58:26] <SPQRobin>	 time enough :p
[14:59:23] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Non-conventional name of include file. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34282  +comment (10Jack Phoenix)
[15:00:01] <sumanah>	 also, SPQRobin, when I transfer this Etherpad to translatewiki.net is there a particular page or namespace or something that would be best?
[15:00:45] <SPQRobin>	 sumanah: the main NS would be ok I think
[15:00:56] <Nightrose>	 sumanah: poke when you have 10 min for a pm
[15:01:08] <sumanah>	 Nightrose: ok, maybe in 20 min
[15:01:12] <Nightrose>	 sure
[15:01:14] <sumanah>	 :)
[15:01:31] <sumanah>	 SPQRobin: I am looking around on translatewiki for a HOWTO or something like that
[15:02:01] <SPQRobin>	 sumanah: a HOWTO for Narayam?
[15:02:06] <sumanah>	 https://translatewiki.net/wiki/Roadmap/Documentation
[15:02:44] <gwicke>	 sumanah: it might be a good idea to pursuade Oliver Keyes to join the wikitext-l list so he can participate
[15:02:46] <sumanah>	 SPQRobin: no, a more general "here is how you work on localisation for Wikimedia" but I am realizing that maybe https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Localisation is better
[15:02:55] <SPQRobin>	 sumanah: documentation on translatewiki is a bit unorganised
[15:03:09] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) ResourceLoader should work around IE's limit on number of <style> tags - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31676  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[15:03:30] <sumanah>	 gwicke: let's see whether Pavel charms him into it
[15:03:42] <sumanah>	 ha!
[15:03:47] <sumanah>	 ok, he's subscribing
[15:05:30] <gwicke>	 ;)
[15:06:16] <Nikerabbit>	 JeroenDeDauw: no
[15:07:34] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Error: event is undefined - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34267  (10mybugs.mail)
[15:07:44] <JeroenDeDauw>	 Nikerabbit: I have a "Course log" for all changes made to courses. It has as subactions stuff like create, delete and edit. Is there any way I can get Special:Log to show only the deletion events for a single course?
[15:09:16] <sumanah>	 SPQRobin: I'm going to put it on mediawiki.org to start, as a subpage of Localisation, and then eventually after the hackathon if we want we can move things around
[15:09:50] <SPQRobin>	 ok
[15:10:56] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) ResourceLoader should work around IE's limit on number of <style> tags - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31676  +comment (10mediawiki)
[15:12:06] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) add alias redirection in ml wikisource - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34183  +comment (10vssun9)
[15:12:20] <sumanah>	 SPQRobin: so, for "Find a key mapping for the language you want to add" can you point to an example file?  that will help people know what to look for, like, what protocol./format/fileformat it should be
[15:13:29] <SPQRobin>	 sumanah: yes, I was going to expand that, with a reference to InScript
[15:13:30] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) activating abuse filter for fa.wiktionary and fa.wikibook and wikisource - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34291  +comment (10reza1615)
[15:14:49] <Nikerabbit>	 JeroenDeDauw: not sure about special:log, but you can always use LogEventsList to display the logs you want
[15:16:47] <wikibugs_>	 03(NEW) abuse filter/test on rtl wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34297 normal; MediaWiki extensions: AbuseFilter; (reza.energy)
[15:19:50] <JeroenDeDauw>	 Nikerabbit: yeah, already using that one :)
[15:20:38] <sumanah>	 hi Nikerabbit!
[15:21:13] <sumanah>	 Nikerabbit: SPQRobin and I are working on http://etherpad.wikimedia.org/i18hackathon so that, within the next 18 hours, it can be a suitable intro tutorial for Siebrand and Amir and Santhosh to use at the Pune hackathon
[15:23:41] <Nikerabbit>	 sumanah: awesome
[15:24:46] <sumanah>	 Nikerabbit: pleeease join us? the ending is what needs the most work, the exercises
[15:25:13] <sumanah>	 Nikerabbit: I've been trying to work on this for like 2 weeks with i18n people but it's been tough because of FOSDEM and travel
[15:29:55] <sumanah>	 Nikerabbit, SPQRobin, a couple questions.  1) Alolita evidently went over extensions/tools/etc that are good for searching.  What might she have covered?
[15:44:48] <wikibugs_>	 03(ASSIGNED) Article Feedback Page - Activity link - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34090  +comment (10Yoni Shostak)
[15:45:45] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) [SF] Special:RunQuery needs standard input "cancel" to clear the form - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34290  +comment (10yaron57)
[15:46:08] <codurr>	 03jeroendedauw * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111041> 10/trunk/extensions/EducationProgram/ (6 files in 3 dirs): work on revisioning and logging
[15:46:41] <wikibugs_>	 14(DUP) Article Feedback Page - Add a note field after you click Hide or Delete - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34088  +comment (10Yoni Shostak)
[15:46:45] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Article Feedback Page - Activity link - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34090  +comment (10yoni)
[15:48:11] <wikibugs_>	 14(DUP) Article Feedback Page - Add a question mark after 'Hide this post' and related editor tools - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34080  +comment (10Yoni Shostak)
[15:48:12] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Article Feedback Page - Activity link - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34090  +comment (10yoni)
[15:49:01] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) bits.wm.o loading issues from Pakistan - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34256  (10inlandtaipan15)
[15:51:57] <Squillis>	 mornin
[15:52:13] <sumanah>	 hi Squillis 
[15:52:49] <Squillis>	 trying to secure my wiki namespaces, but i'm confused by the docs
[15:53:15] <Squillis>	 $wgNamespaceProtection[NS_OFFICIAL]      = array( 'official-edit' );
[15:53:20] <Squillis>	 $wgGroupPermissions['managers']['official-edit'] = true; //only managers can edit pages in the Official namespace
[15:53:51] <Squillis>	 where does 'official-edit' come from and how does mediawiki know to restrict editing based on that?
[15:54:05] <RoanKattouw>	 Squillis: You invent that
[15:54:20] <RoanKattouw>	 The first line means "only allow people with the official-edit right to edit the NS_OFFICIAL namespace"
[15:54:27] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) bits.wm.o loading issues from Pakistan - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34256  (10inlandtaipan15)
[15:54:36] <RoanKattouw>	 The second line means "people in the managers group have the official-edit right"
[15:54:48] <Squillis>	 but where do i define what official-edit does
[15:54:50] <RoanKattouw>	 You can invent group names and right names on the spot and MediaWiki will just roll with it
[15:54:58] <RoanKattouw>	 $wgNamespaceProtection[NS_OFFICIAL] = array( 'official-edit' );  defines that
[15:55:15] <Squillis>	 sure, but how does mediawiki know that it means to restrict editing
[15:55:55] <Squillis>	 does it just have to contain a keyword from the list of permissions?
[15:55:59] <RoanKattouw>	 Oh
[15:56:08] <RoanKattouw>	 NamespaceProtection is a misnomer
[15:56:11] <RoanKattouw>	 It applies to editing only
[15:56:16] <RoanKattouw>	 !g NamespaceProtection
[15:56:16] <mw-bot>	 Google says: http://www.google.com/search?btnI=745&q=NamespaceProtection
[15:56:17] <RoanKattouw>	 Ah
[15:56:19] <RoanKattouw>	 Sorry
[15:56:23] <RoanKattouw>	 !wg NamespaceProtection
[15:56:24] <mw-bot>	 http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgNamespaceProtection
[15:57:08] <RoanKattouw>	 "This setting allows a wiki to require special permissions to edit some namespaces. "
[15:57:14] <Squillis>	 ah, i assumed you could restrict all permissions in this fashion
[15:57:29] <RoanKattouw>	 No
[15:58:00] <Squillis>	 i need to restrict editing and reading. i have what i need now
[15:58:19] <RoanKattouw>	 Someone tried to implement that (per-namespace restrictions for all actions) a while ago but that never really took off
[15:59:00] <Squillis>	 main user doesn't like having his wiki users manually protect pages after creation
[15:59:16] <Squillis>	 so, he wants namespace protection. which the users will forget to do upon creation anyways
[15:59:34] <Squillis>	 and he'll have to move them himself
[15:59:44] <Squillis>	 waste of my time really
[16:01:51] <Squillis>	 but wait
[16:02:15] <Squillis>	 is there any other way to restrict reading of pages to anonymous users outside of simple security?
[16:02:52] <RoanKattouw>	 Only wiki-wide, not per-namespace
[16:02:57] <Squillis>	 "If you intend to have different view permissions than that, MediaWiki is not designed for your usage."
[16:02:58] <RoanKattouw>	 (at least in MW core)
[16:03:17] <Squillis>	 yeah. so, the goose chase ends
[16:05:07] <SPQRobin>	 sumanah: how detailed should it be? For the actual mapping file, I linked to https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Narayam#Developing_a_key_mapping where the syntax is explained
[16:06:49] <wikibugs_>	 03(FIXED) Deployment checklist for 1.19 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33936  (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[16:08:10] <Squillis>	 thanks yall
[16:08:42] <sumanah>	 SPQRobin: this looks like the right level of detail!  Thank you!
[16:09:32] <SPQRobin>	 sumanah: great :) If there's something else I can help with?
[16:09:32] <sumanah>	 SPQRobin: developing a key mapping was explained -- "add a new already-written keymapping to Narayam" was the bit I couldn't find HOWTOs on.
[16:09:43] <sumanah>	  SPQRobin, Alolita evidently went over extensions/tools/etc that are good for searching.  What might she have covered?
[16:09:53] <sumanah>	 SPQRobin: I mean, when Alolita taught a version of this a month ago
[16:10:08] <SPQRobin>	 At a hackathon?
[16:10:17] <wikibugs_>	 03(ASSIGNED) Article Feedback Page Add the word ' Tools' in the navbar - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34072  (10Yoni Shostak)
[16:10:17] <sumanah>	 SPQRobin: yeah.
[16:11:11] <sumanah>	 SPQRobin: She basically just worked with 2 or 3 people for about 75 minutes, didn't record it and I didn't find out about it till like 2 weeks later, but the etherpad we're working on was originally the one she used to share links with those people
[16:11:27] <sumanah>	 SPQRobin: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/January_2012_San_Francisco_Hackathon
[16:12:55] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Update on-wiki documentation of database layout for 1.19 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33637  +comment (10sam)
[16:13:33] <SPQRobin>	 sumanah: I see. I think https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Lucene-search is often-used, and https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:MWSearch  (here's the category: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Category:Search_extensions )
[16:14:41] <sumanah>	 ok, SPQRobin, I was thinking specifically of the intersection of i18n and search
[16:14:45] <sumanah>	 or l10n and search
[16:16:35] <SPQRobin>	 sumanah: hmm, I don't really have an idea
[16:17:18] <sumanah>	 Nikerabbit: do you know maybe?
[16:19:04] <Nikerabbit>	 sumanah: search largely revolves around Lucene
[16:19:47] <Nikerabbit>	 that's in Java and needs other skills than what mediawiki usually does
[16:20:08] <sumanah>	 Nikerabbit: yeah, OrenOf / OrenDsk is working on it
[16:20:28] <sumanah>	 Nikerabbit: I know that Alolita actually talked about search in her tutorial, and I don't know why so I am trying to reverse-engineer it
[16:20:43] <wikibugs_>	 03(FIXED) Update on-wiki documentation of database layout for 1.19 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33637  +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[16:21:00] <sumanah>	 specifically about i18n or localisation tools, either for developers or for users, that have something to do with search....
[16:23:57] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) abuse filter/test on rtl wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34297   +i18n (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[16:24:36] <hexmode>	 RoanKattouw: Reedy: what do you think of https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34198 ? should we fit it into the 1.19?
[16:25:37] <Reedy>	 nah, it's a feature, not a regression
[16:25:52] <Reedy>	 well, not exactly
[16:26:21] <hashar>	 we should converts Umherirrender to PHP developement
[16:26:53] <Reedy>	 i think he gives patches sometimes
[16:27:14] <RoanKattouw>	 Arguably bug 34198 is a regression
[16:29:26] <retif_>	 hey, please advice, i need to output content of the wiki-pages, having specified category, how can i do that?
[16:30:41] <hexmode>	 hashar: hey, maybe he can provide a patch!
[16:30:49] <sumanah>	 awjr: when you are back and ready to work more on https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/How_to_become_a_MediaWiki_hacker/Workshop I can help
[16:34:15] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) first item in the history shows no information about its size - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34198  +comment (10mah)
[16:34:31] <sumanah>	 awjr: I just wrote https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/How_to_become_a_MediaWiki_hacker/Workshop#How_your_code_gets_reviewed.2C_then_deployed_on_Wikimedia_servers
[16:34:32] <Reedy>	 retif_: you'd have to get a list of pages in that category, then load the wikitext for each
[16:34:54] <awjr>	 sumanah: awesome thanks
[16:35:28] <sumanah>	 awjr: more cleanup is ongoing from me today
[16:35:32] <awjr>	 sumanah: should i be doing this as a 'how to build an extension" workshop or a more general mediawiki hacking thing?
[16:35:36] <sumanah>	 awjr: if you have suggestions re what should be covered.....
[16:35:50] <sumanah>	 awjr: you get to choose based on what you think the general capability of the room is
[16:36:25] <sumanah>	 awjr: I presume you will want to do it like Andrew did, "how to build an extension" but I figure you will have questions asked of you and it might be useful to say "I can't cover that right now but it's in a section in the training reference"
[16:36:33] <codurr>	 03gwicke * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111042> 10/trunk/extensions/VisualEditor/modules/parser/ (4 files):
[16:36:33] <codurr>	 Improve support for preprocessor functionality in attributes; Support
[16:36:33] <codurr>	 multi-line xmlish tags with preprocessor stuff in attributes.
[16:37:07] <sumanah>	 also awjr you might know what the important prerequisites are going to be, from your last time teaching in Pune
[16:39:09] <awjr>	 sumanah: i think my strategy then will be to come armed to walk people through the basics of setting up an extension - start by a brief intro to mediawiki, how it's laid out/how things fit together, walk through a 'hello world' special page, and then let people start experimenting on their own - i'll provide some jumping off points, perhaps using the easy bugs list and annoying little bugs list
[16:41:00] <awjr>	 sumanah: i am hoping the audience is different this year from last year - the students who sought me out after the presentation for more hands-on mediawiki hacking had very little to no PHP experience
[16:43:33] <sumanah>	 awjr: I am simply not certain that I can say this audience will be better-prepared and have a higher caliber of skill.
[16:43:41] <sumanah>	 um, badly worded, but you know what I mean.
[16:43:45] <awjr>	 hehehe
[16:43:50] <awjr>	 roger.
[16:44:04] <awjr>	 well, everyone loves a good hello world tutorial.
[16:46:18] <sumanah>	 awjr: ok, so, check out "Overview", "What to have prepared ahead of time?" "Preferences" and "Extensions" within the workshop doc
[16:46:54] <awjr>	 aye
[16:47:48] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) {{DISPLAYTITLE}} should allow visually-similar letters regardless of $wgRestrictDisplayTitle - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33945  +comment (10Lejonel)
[16:48:36] <awjr>	 sumanah: i'm thinking after quick intro, followed by hello world walk through, followed by some hacking time, i'll go over the getting your code reviewed/deployed stuff
[16:50:09] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Slide-down for popup message (jsMessage) on AJAX watch/unwatch horribly garbled on IE 7 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/27231  +comment (10mediawiki)
[16:50:29] <awjr>	 sumanah: do you think i should get into SVN at all? not a single person i talked to last year had any experience or much knowledge about it… for the purposes of submitting code we can just rely on bugzilla, but perhaps a quick svn overview would be beneficial (at least for checking out code)
[16:51:20] <awjr>	 but getting into svn is another rabbit hole - introducing 60 people at once to it could take 90 minutes alone...
[16:51:34] <RoanKattouw>	 You could just give them the magic command for checking out the code
[16:51:55] <sumanah>	 awjr: I think people need to know "there is a preferred way to access and manipulate our source code.  I will not go into why this is.  here's what you type in."
[16:51:58] <RoanKattouw>	 Patches based off a release tarball are a pain to deal with, much better if they're based off HEAD
[16:52:20] <Reedy>	 easier for them to make diffs also
[16:52:59] <awjr>	 argh i really wish i knew what the set up was like in the lab
[16:53:05] <sumanah>	 awjr: you have 90 minutes.  In a sense, if the crowd is reallllly underprepared and doesn't know a lot of these things....
[16:53:08] <sumanah>	 awjr: no response from Rachel yet?
[16:53:13] <awjr>	 no
[16:53:57] <chris_mcmahon>	 as someone who hasn't used SVN in a good long time, I found this pretty straightforward: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/SVN (awjr)
[16:54:08] <awjr>	 thanks chris_mcmahon
[16:54:12] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) AutoWikiBrowser does not work on my wiki, it will work on other wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34216  (10iggyvolz)
[16:54:46] <sumanah>	 Reedy, RoanKattouw, I think for the purposes of this tutorial it's ok to skip things that would make it easier for them to make patches and diffs.  If they start wanting to contribute to us then they'll find the instructions
[16:55:02] <RoanKattouw>	 True
[16:55:11] <sumanah>	 awjr: ^^ I think for your 90 minutes, just skip SVN, have them work with a release tarball
[16:55:12] <RoanKattouw>	 So we might put up a tarball of an SVN snapshot for instance
[16:55:29] <RoanKattouw>	 Although inevitably someone's gonna want to work on an extension we didn't snapshot or somethnig
[16:56:10] <retif_>	 Reedy: thanks, i just maked category articles output with the help of dpl
[16:56:26] <awjr>	 this is a tough call - ultimately it's probably best to have them working from trunk, but i have no idea what the systems in the computer lab we'll be doing this in are like
[16:56:50] <sumanah>	 RoanKattouw: when we taught this in Haifa we had like 3 or 4 hours.  the workshop page is long because it covers what we did there, plus additional notes from the time we ran it in New Orleans
[16:57:02] <awjr>	 it's possible that it will be a nightmare getting an svn co of phase3 up and running
[16:57:10] <RoanKattouw>	 awjr: We could generate a tarball of what phase3 looks like now
[16:57:12] <sumanah>	 awjr: I think for now it's an ok compromise to have them work on a release tarball.
[16:57:17] <sumanah>	 easy to install.
[16:57:19] <RoanKattouw>	 That'll be much better than the 1.18.1 tarball
[16:57:35] <awjr>	 RoanKattouw: it's possible mediawiki s already installed on these machines
[16:57:46] <awjr>	 likely from 1.18.1 tarball
[16:58:20] <awjr>	 i suspect not many of these people are going to be doing any MW core hacking
[16:59:58] <awjr>	 RoanKattouw: if they're doing any minor extension development and/or bug fixes against extensions, how disastrous would it be if they're using 1.18.1?
[17:00:48] <codurr>	 03robin * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111043> 10/trunk/extensions/AbuseFilter/ (AbuseFilter.class.php modules/ext.abuseFilter.css):
[17:00:48] <codurr>	 It's better to set directionality in html than in css. Also fixes bug 34297, because the css only affected the edit form and not the test form.
[17:00:48] <codurr>	 Also add a bit of docs.
[17:00:49] <sumanah>	 awjr: the moment any given one of them starts showing you actual dev/bugfixes, one of the experts starts talking to them about SVN
[17:00:57] <sumanah>	 awjr: and that'll be maybe 10 of the people there
[17:00:59] <sumanah>	 that's my thinking
[17:01:57] <awjr>	 sumanah: i'm inclined to agree - however if mediawiki is NOT already installed on the machines, it's probably best to have them install from trunk
[17:02:14] <Reedy>	 copy pasting a command is not hard
[17:02:15] <wikibugs_>	 03(FIXED) abuse filter/test on rtl wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34297  +comment (10Robin Pepermans (SPQRobin))
[17:02:36] <sumanah>	 Reedy: you are, to put it mildly, not an expert on what newbies will or will not find difficult.  
[17:02:56] <vvv>	 Newbies to what?
[17:03:03] <Reedy>	 if they can't copy paste a command, they shouldn't be attempting to code
[17:03:08] <sumanah>	 Reedy: copy-pasting 1 command is fairly easy, yes. Explaining "this is what we are doing and why we use SVN instead of ...."
[17:03:19] <awjr>	 Reedy: if memory serves me well on what things will be like at the conference, having 60 people svn co phase3 at once with that internet connection will be… a nightmare
[17:03:25] <sumanah>	 vvv, https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Pune_Hackathon_Feb_2012
[17:04:12] <awjr>	 so if we have them develop off trunk, better to have MW pre-installed or a prepared tarball of trunk
[17:04:16] <sumanah>	 vvv: the audience at the event may vary wildly including people who have never worked in PHP before, people who have never used source control before, etc
[17:04:35] <sumanah>	 however we are attempting to prescreen so that only people with software development experience attends
[17:04:38] <sumanah>	 attend*
[17:04:39] <Reedy>	 I know people at my uni who graduated without having used version control
[17:04:52] <sumanah>	 yep
[17:04:55] <sumanah>	 it's very common
[17:05:00] <vvv>	 Reedy: you better not know who graduate from Russian unis...
[17:05:11] <Reedy>	 though, for a CS degree, it's slightly worrying
[17:05:11] <awjr>	 the students i talked to last year from the university this is happening at had no experience with version control
[17:05:14] <Reedy>	 vvv: even worse? :p
[17:05:15] <wikibugs_>	 14(INVALID) Inscript for malayalam - Enhancement for chillus - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34286  +comment (10Santhosh Thottingal)
[17:05:22] <sumanah>	 Reedy: CS != software engineering
[17:05:24] <sumanah>	 a very old debate
[17:05:26] <vvv>	 Reedy: well, some of them are even unable to do a bubble sort
[17:05:29] <Reedy>	 sure
[17:05:30] <sumanah>	 ouch
[17:05:33] <Reedy>	 vvv: that doesn't suprise me
[17:05:46] <sumanah>	 some places treat CS as "very applied math"
[17:05:48] <Reedy>	 I called most of my year group out on most of them not even having created a simple webpage
[17:05:53] <vvv>	 Russia is a ridiculously capitalistic country
[17:06:00] <vvv>	 You can buy a CS diploma here
[17:06:02] <sumanah>	 anyway, back to awjr's immediate problem
[17:06:17] <Reedy>	 vvv: does the diploma not buy you?
[17:06:37] <vvv>	 Reedy: no, this was in Soviet Russia
[17:06:42] <sumanah>	 awjr: I am in sympathy with you in not wanting to make people do an svn co over that shared connection, and in not wanting to have to explain to people during your 90 minutes why they are doing this, etc
[17:06:42] <vvv>	 Which was very socialistic
[17:06:53] <vvv>	 You see, it's always very very here
[17:07:06] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) importScript, importScriptURI, and addPortletLink errors - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34147  +comment (10saibotrash)
[17:07:09] <awjr>	 sumanah: i just had a thought - i might check in an empty extension template
[17:07:12] <sumanah>	 (not going to get into a debate with anyone right now about how to teach newbies and who is or is not worthy of the grand task of PRROGRAMMIN, it would take hours)
[17:07:16] <wikibugs_>	 04(REOPENED) importScript, importScriptURI, and addPortletLink errors - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34147  (10Saibo)
[17:07:25] <sumanah>	 awjr: oooh
[17:07:29] <awjr>	 which they can svn co and use to hack from.
[17:07:31] <Reedy>	 if you checkout extensions SVN will transfer about 100 meg as it stands
[17:07:39] <Reedy>	 (noted from checking out 1.19 last night)
[17:09:45] <awjr>	 sumanah: i can have them svn checkout the sample extension, then svn export it to make a clean copy to work from. two copy/paste commands - will get their feet slightly wet with svn, and give them some structure to start developing with
[17:10:03] <codurr>	 03yonishostak * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111044> 10/trunk/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5/ (2 files in 2 dirs): AFTv5: fix bug 34072 - tools label for auth users
[17:10:06] <sumanah>	 awjr: it's up to you as to whether you want to risk going down the rabbit hole of SVN.
[17:10:31] <awjr>	 sumanah: i think just doing svn co for now is totally legit. they won't be able to commit anyway
[17:10:32] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Narayam resources folder needs tidying up - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34296   +easy +i18n; +comment (10Santhosh Thottingal)
[17:10:32] <wikibugs_>	 03(FIXED) Article Feedback Page Add the word ' Tools' in the navbar - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34072  (10Yoni Shostak)
[17:10:32] <Reedy>	 awjr: you could almost create them a branch
[17:10:34] <sumanah>	 awjr: ok
[17:10:46] <awjr>	 Reedy: they wont be able to commit tho
[17:10:54] <Reedy>	 sure
[17:11:18] <sumanah>	 SPQRobin: if you have a moment: look at line 86 of the i18hackathon etherpad.  See if you could give any details about what could be improved in that Message class documentation. 
[17:11:41] <awjr>	 sumanah: that way if any of them try to fix any bugs in existing extensions, they'll know how to checkout the latest code from which to fix the bugs
[17:11:49] <sumanah>	 awjr: perfectly reasonable
[17:12:36] <wikibugs_>	 03(ASSIGNED) Article Feedback Page - Sorting links visual issues - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34071  (10Yoni Shostak)
[17:12:56] <wikibugs_>	 03(NEW) Any website of WIKI is not working. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34298 major; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (inlandtaipan15)
[17:13:46] <codurr>	 03reedy * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111045> 10/trunk/extensions/WikiSync/WikiSync.php: Trunk to 1.15.5 compatibility isn't needed
[17:14:11] <wikibugs_>	 14(DUP) Any website of WIKI is not working. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34298  +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[17:14:11] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) bits.wm.o loading issues from Pakistan - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34256  +comment (10sam)
[17:15:32] <awjr>	 Reedy: if i put together a shell of an extension, should i check it into trunk/extensions or put it in a separate branch?
[17:15:34] <sumanah>	 awjr: ok, so, what do you need in terms of any improvements to docs?
[17:15:51] <awjr>	 sumanah: i'll let you know as i see any issues - nothing comes to mind at the moment
[17:15:56] <sumanah>	 ok, thanks awjr 
[17:15:59] <awjr>	 thank you!
[17:16:19] <sumanah>	 awjr: I will just continue to clean up and work on the i18n tutorial and the general workshop page so that bits of it are available if you need it
[17:16:31] <Reedy>	 awjr: can't see any reason why it can't go in trunk/extensions. Just make sure there's a README :)
[17:16:36] <sumanah>	 awjr: especially "Overview", "What to have prepared ahead of time?" "Preferences" and "Extensions" within the workshop doc
[17:16:55] <awjr>	 Reedy, sumanah: word - thanks
[17:20:54] <codurr>	 03reedy * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111046> 10/trunk/extensions/UploadWizard/ (11 files in 2 dirs): Kill jQuery stuff that is now in trunk/1.19
[17:22:56] <SPQRobin>	 sumanah: is it intended to be a kind of exercice to improve the documentation?
[17:25:15] <sumanah>	 SPQRobin: the primary point of the exercise is to help the participants learn how we work on internationalisation and localisation tools.  If, as a result of this exercise, we get some improvements to the documentation, that is great.
[17:25:19] <wikibugs_>	 03(NEW) Automatic workflows - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34299 enhancement; MediaWiki extensions: Translate; (federicoleva)
[17:25:53] <sumanah>	 SPQRobin: I asked hashar when he gave this idea for an exercise, *what SPECIFICALLY needs improving in this doc?* but he just said over and over that it is basic and needs extending
[17:25:55] <sumanah>	 no specifics
[17:26:38] <SPQRobin>	 sumanah: Hmm, I would rather say the documentation is relatively good compared to other parts of mediawiki.
[17:26:38] <Reedy>	 There's 2 levels of it
[17:26:53] <Reedy>	 There's computer usable documentation
[17:26:53] <Reedy>	 and human documentation
[17:28:08] <amgine>	 <taps Sumanah on shoulder> When you have a moment...
[17:28:37] <SPQRobin>	 sumanah: what they could do perhaps is write on-wiki documentation, there's a stub on https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/WfMessage%28%29
[17:29:35] <SPQRobin>	 (afk)
[17:30:12] <sumanah>	 thanks SPQRobin 
[17:31:57] <sumanah>	 ok, I think we're basically done, I'm gonna move this for good to the wiki page
[17:32:05] <sumanah>	 thanks Nikerabbit, SPQRobin 
[17:32:34] <codurr>	 03yonishostak * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111047> 10/trunk/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5/modules/jquery.articleFeedbackv5/jquery.articleFeedbackv5.js: AFTv5: fix bug 34134 - correctly hide tooltips
[17:32:48] <wikibugs_>	 03(FIXED) "What's this?" info box persists after submitting text - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34134  (10Yoni Shostak)
[17:33:56] <wikibugs_>	 03(NEW) List of translations by status - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34300 enhancement; MediaWiki extensions: Translate; (federicoleva)
[17:35:57] <Amgine>	 Sumanah: I'm going to submit Shea's blog post as-is.
[17:36:01] <sumanah>	 Amgine: um, hold on
[17:36:09] <Amgine>	 kk
[17:36:18] <sumanah>	 Amgine: sorry, just one thing -- add links please?
[17:36:31] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Bad unicode rendering in digest and mail send to name - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/15223  15enhancement->normal; +comment (10praveenp)
[17:36:35] <Amgine>	 e-mail, or I can post it to the wiki?
[17:36:37] <sumanah>	 Amgine: that's my only edit, sorry for the wait
[17:36:50] <Amgine>	 no worries.
[17:37:02] <sumanah>	 Amgine: you don't have to email it to me or wiki-post it for my sake
[17:37:15] <sumanah>	 just, add a few reference links at the bottom, could even just be the 2 main ones
[17:37:23] <sumanah>	 ucosp spring 2012, and Wiktionary app 
[17:37:29] <Amgine>	 <nods>
[17:37:53] <sumanah>	 Amgine: that's it, and my apologies for the delay!
[17:38:09] <Amgine>	 no worries.
[17:41:55] <codurr>	 03reedy * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111048> 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ (19 files in 7 dirs):
[17:41:55] <codurr>	 Fixing some of the "@return true" or "@return false", need to be "@return bool" and then the metadata can say true if foo, false if bar
[17:41:55] <codurr>	 Other documentation improvements
[17:42:07] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) bits.wm.o loading issues from Pakistan - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34256  +comment (10Saibo)
[17:42:20] <sumanah>	 ok, SPQRobin, https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Localisation/Tutorial is where it lives now
[17:42:34] <paxed>	 i've been trying to think of a way to add a visual note to the email options in preferences. like a green check mark if user's email is verified. but i don't think it's possible with css?
[17:42:40] <codurr>	 03reedy * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111049> 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ (20 files in 9 dirs):
[17:42:40] <codurr>	 Fixing some of the "@return true" or "@return false", need to be "@return bool" and then the metadata can say true if foo, false if bar
[17:42:40] <codurr>	 Other documentation improvements
[17:44:31] <Reedy>	 paxed: it should be... else include an image
[17:44:41] <Reedy>	 if it's a small image, you can include it via css
[17:44:58] <Reedy>	 and get it base64 encoded
[17:45:19] <paxed>	 Reedy: well, there's no class to distinguish whether the email is verified or not.
[17:45:34] <Reedy>	 so, add one?
[17:46:12] <paxed>	 Reedy: i'll rather file a bug than hack the core.
[17:46:46] <Reedy>	 ook
[17:46:53] <Reedy>	 shouldn't be too difficult to do though
[17:47:13] <paxed>	 sure, but hacking the core makes upgrading a bitch.
[17:47:25] <Reedy>	 submit the patch, get it upstreamed
[17:47:29] <sumanah>	 hi siebrand!
[17:47:37] <sumanah>	 good news siebrand 
[17:47:55] <sumanah>	 siebrand: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Localisation/Tutorial is now up
[17:48:16] <sumanah>	 siebrand: and I believe the https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Pune_Hackathon_Feb_2012/Topics page is very very good
[17:48:44] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) [SF] Special:RunQuery needs a standard input to clear and reset the form - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34290  summary; +comment (10badon)
[17:51:02] <wikibugs_>	 03(FIXED) Article Feedback Page - Use 'day', 'hour' and 'min.' but not 'sec.' - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34074  +comment (10Yoni Shostak)
[17:51:07] <paxed>	 ugh. it always takes me ~5 minutes to find the damn subversion link.
[17:51:27] <codurr>	 03yonishostak * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111050> 10/trunk/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5/api/ApiViewFeedbackArticleFeedbackv5.php: AFTv5: fix bug 34074 - time period formatting
[17:51:32] <Nikerabbit>	 damn?
[17:51:40] <Nikerabbit>	 do you mean svn.wikimedia.org?
[17:51:54] <paxed>	 the exact svn command to just get the trunk.
[17:52:11] <Amgine>	 Sumanah: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/UCOSP_Spring_2012/Blog/09_Feb
[17:52:26] <paxed>	 i look in the wiki and as i don't visit it that often, it takes me an inordinate amount to find it.
[17:53:08] <Nikerabbit>	 paxed: soon you wont have that problem, if we change to git
[17:53:18] <Reedy>	 yay for the glorious git future
[17:53:20] <sumanah>	 paxed: :-)  also, this is where I encourage you to contribute more :-)
[17:53:47] <paxed>	 Nikerabbit: git is good, but that won't help much either if i still have to search for the exact command to pull just the head... :P
[17:54:17] <codurr>	 03aaron * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111051> 10/trunk/phase3/includes/filerepo/backend/FileBackend.php: r111036: some doc tweaks
[17:54:25] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) bits.wm.o loading issues from Pakistan - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34256  +comment (10sam)
[17:54:44] <Nikerabbit>	 Reedy: I'm worried though that nothing seems to have happened wrt to making gerrit nicer or writing scripts for i18n commits
[17:54:51] <Krenair>	 How do you get a watch token from the API? It mentions prop=info but I can't find anything about it on the API Properties page
[17:54:54] <Reedy>	 Indeed
[17:55:07] <Reedy>	 Nikerabbit: well, those are blockers to being able to migrate
[17:55:40] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Non-conventional name of include file. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34282  +comment (10van.de.bugger)
[17:55:45] <Reedy>	   intoken             - Request a token to perform a data-modifying action on a page
[17:55:46] <Reedy>	                         Values (separate with '|'): edit, delete, protect, move, block, unblock, email, import, watch
[17:55:56] <Reedy>	 Krenair: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php
[17:56:03] <sumanah>	 Nikerabbit: this is something to add to the git conversion issues list
[17:56:05] <Reedy>	 start at Get basic page information such as namespace, title, last touched date, ...
[17:56:15] <Reedy>	 there are bugs listed IIRC
[17:56:33] <wikibugs_>	 03(ASSIGNED) Article Feedback Page - Put the date first, then the time - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34075  +comment (10Yoni Shostak)
[17:56:40] <sumanah>	 Nikerabbit: Reedy: https://labsconsole.wikimedia.org/wiki/Gerrit_bugs_that_matter
[17:56:50] <sumanah>	 and Nikerabbit https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Git/Conversion/issues
[17:56:50] <Krenair>	 Oh, I got it
[17:56:57] <Krenair>	 Turns out I had forgotten to log in >_>
[17:58:45] <sumanah>	 Nikerabbit: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Git_conversion#February_2012 includes "Finish up specific Git management scripts / changes " and "Make Gerrit behave like we want it to"
[17:58:51] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Tag <dws> for discarding whitespaces. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31865  +comment (10van.de.bugger)
[17:58:52] <MaxSem>	 tfinc, yo
[17:59:38] <sumanah>	 Nikerabbit: please do add items to those pages
[18:01:15] <codurr>	 03reedy * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111052> 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ (31 files in 8 dirs):
[18:01:15] <codurr>	 Fixing some of the "@return true" or "@return false", need to be "@return bool" and then the metadata can say true if foo, false if bar
[18:01:15] <codurr>	 Other documentation improvements
[18:01:59] <codurr>	 03reedy * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111053> 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ (26 files in 9 dirs):
[18:01:59] <codurr>	 Fixing some of the "@return true" or "@return false", need to be "@return bool" and then the metadata can say true if foo, false if bar
[18:01:59] <codurr>	 Other documentation improvements
[18:02:57] <wikibugs_>	 03(VERIFIED) "Reply" link is shown always, even if a user cannot add comments. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34281  +comment (10Van de Bugger)
[18:04:48] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) bits.wm.o loading issues from Pakistan - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34256  +comment (10saibotrash)
[18:05:47] <Rogue-kun>	 Hi we recently upgraded our wiki from 1.16 to 1.18, and we've developed a bug in that while Chrome happily uses MediaWiki:Common.css and MediaWiki:Monobook.css, Firefox and IE are not using those settings, can I get some help in finding what our problem is?
[18:06:05] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Vote buttons for not-yet-logged in user. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34284  +comment (10van.de.bugger)
[18:08:17] <paxed>	 Meh. MW is so much abstracted that I CBA start looking how to add that css class. filing a bug without a patch then.
[18:09:36] <Rogue-kun>	 paxed you're having a css issue too?
[18:09:37] <werdna_>	 paxed: I would suspect that it's an issue with your CSS
[18:10:16] <codurr>	 03awjrichards * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111054> 10/trunk/extensions/Example/ (. Example.body.php Example.i18n.php Example.php README): Import of 'Example' extension that can be used to serve as a base from which to build extensions and/or be used to help teach newbies about Mediawiki extension development.
[18:10:28] <paxed>	 werdna_: hm? ok, tell me how do i distinguish in user prefs whether the email address is verified or not, using css.
[18:10:49] <werdna>	 paxed: um, you don't
[18:11:13] <werdna>	 that's not what CSS is for.
[18:11:17] <werdna>	 What are you trying to achieve?
[18:11:19] <paxed>	 werdna: all i want is to add a green check mark after the email address field _if_ it's verified.
[18:11:28] <werdna>	 where?
[18:11:44] <paxed>	 Special:Preferences, e-mail options.
[18:12:12] <werdna>	 sorry, I got you mixed up with Rogue-kun 
[18:12:19] <awjr>	 anyone who's curious, please take a look at the 'Example' extension i just checked in to help teach MW extension development/provide a base for extensions - feel free to make changes/give feedback (Reedy, RoanKattouw, sumanah in particular)
[18:12:22] <werdna>	 my client colours nicknames and you're coloured the same :)
[18:12:29] <werdna>	 awjr: did you get my email?
[18:13:14] <wikibugs_>	 03(NEW) Comments: Vote buttons for users without "comment" right. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34301 normal; MediaWiki extensions: Comments; (van.de.bugger)
[18:13:16] <awjr>	 werdna: i did - thanks!
[18:13:18] <werdna>	 paxed: nod, Special:Preferences is *very* abstracted :)
[18:13:26] <werdna>	 awjr: let me know if that's what you're after
[18:13:29] <RoanKattouw>	 awjr: Looks good to me
[18:13:33] <werdna>	 this way you don't have to listen to my presentation :)
[18:13:47] <awjr>	 hehehe werdna i already did :)
[18:13:50] <sumanah>	 Rogue-kun: hi, that is odd
[18:14:00] <werdna>	 speaking as the person who did the abstracting.
[18:14:58] <nmudgal>	 [off-topic] but any quick way to contribute to mediawiki? some novice bugs etc? to start with any pointers?
[18:14:59] <sumanah>	 Rogue-kun: I imagine someone here can help you, but if they can't, mediawiki-l can
[18:15:01] <paxed>	 werdna: right now it's <table id="mw-htmlform-email">, it would be nice to have eg. <table id="mw-htmlform-email" class="email-verified"> or something.
[18:15:05] <sumanah>	 !lists | Rogue-kun 
[18:15:06] <mw-bot>	 Rogue-kun: mediawiki-l and wikitech-l are the primary mailing lists for MediaWiki-related issues. See https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Mailing_lists for details.
[18:15:14] <sumanah>	 nmudgal: hi, glad you asked! 
[18:15:19] <sumanah>	 nmudgal: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/How_to_become_a_MediaWiki_hacker
[18:15:41] <werdna>	 paxed: that's trickier than you think, considering the abstraction
[18:15:43] <sumanah>	 nmudgal: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Annoying_Little_Bug is our "starter bugs" collection.  What sort of work are you most interested in?
[18:16:19] <nmudgal>	 something php and jquery stuff
[18:16:22] <sumanah>	 nmudgal: we also have upcoming developer meetings, many of which are meant to help new people start https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki_developer_meetings
[18:16:47] <nmudgal>	 thanks for the links
[18:17:27] <wikibugs_>	 03(NEW) Add email-verified or email-not-verified class to email options - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34302 normal; MediaWiki: User preferences; (paxed)
[18:17:28] <sumanah>	 nmudgal: so, what is it about MediaWiki that interests you?
[18:17:31] <paxed>	 werdna: ^
[18:17:40] <werdna>	 paxed: awesome, thanks! :)
[18:17:43] <sumanah>	 nmudgal: have you previously installed it and thought "man, I wish it did x y z"?
[18:18:40] <nmudgal>	 sumanah, "Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge." remember this line? :-)
[18:18:49] <sumanah>	 nmudgal: aw yeah :-D
[18:19:06] <sumanah>	 nmudgal: aww, I feel all happy and fuzzy now!
[18:19:11] <nmudgal>	 yeah finished installing dev version.
[18:19:30] <Rogue-kun>	 sumanah: yeah i found when i tried to Google the problem one possible issue is firefox and ie being picy about css being sent by text/plain instead of text/css but the defualt css is working fine and when i point firebug is load.php's output it reports it as text/css, but I don't know if the any direct links to commons and monobook/s css page to test if they fo some reason being sent wrong
[18:19:37] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Comments: Vote buttons for users without "comment" right. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34301  +comment (10van.de.bugger)
[18:19:50] <sumanah>	 nmudgal: fyi, if you're interested in coming and working with us in person, Wikimania this summer will include a hackathon.  scholarships are available, 1 week left to apply https://wikimania2012.wikimedia.org/wiki/Scholarships
[18:19:57] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Comments: Vote buttons for users without "comment" right. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34301   +need-review +patch (10Van de Bugger)
[18:20:11] <sumanah>	 Rogue-kun: I got no clue, sorry to say
[18:20:21] <nmudgal>	 sumanah, but new people also get scholarships ?
[18:20:41] <sumanah>	 nmudgal: look at the criteria there -- they are also interested in a participant's future plans to participate in Wikimedia community
[18:20:44] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Make use of rev_sha1 per-wiki configurable - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34285  +comment (10robla)
[18:20:52] <nit3ch>	 sumanah: hi
[18:20:57] <sumanah>	 hi nit3ch 
[18:21:27] <nit3ch>	 sumanah: is there any hackathon around delhi 
[18:21:40] * nmudgal  going through tons of stuff 

[18:21:46] <sumanah>	 nit3ch: You can start one :-) as long as you don't need any experts there in person
[18:23:12] <sumanah>	 nit3ch: currently, the planned hackathon events are all listed at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki_developer_meetings
[18:23:21] <sumanah>	 nit3ch: but you can plan and run your own hackathon
[18:23:26] <nit3ch>	 sumanah:ya i saw that 
[18:23:46] <sumanah>	 nit3ch: we can give you some training materials, videos to watch, and you can communicate with experts via IRC, and maybe even a videoconference
[18:23:50] <nit3ch>	 but you told me tomorrow some event by iitd
[18:24:21] <sumanah>	 nit3ch: I believe I told you that there are some people at IITD who are TRYING to plan something.  I never promised :)
[18:24:38] <nit3ch>	 :P
[18:24:48] <nit3ch>	 sumanah: my mistake
[18:25:19] <sumanah>	 nit3ch: Lcawte is a teenager in England -- he decided to start a hackathon and did it.  it was the first event he ever ran and it went fine
[18:25:24] <nit3ch>	 any place on web to join delhi community 
[18:25:26] <sumanah>	 nit3ch: people learned, worked together, etc
[18:26:03] <codurr>	 03aaron * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111055> 10/trunk/phase3/includes/DefaultSettings.php: Removed some $wgUseGzip comments...the LocalSettingsGenerator doesn't do this anymore
[18:26:14] <sumanah>	 nit3ch: you probably want the Wikimedia India email list and the email list for Wikimedia-interested people in Delhi
[18:26:51] <sumanah>	 nit3ch: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
[18:27:12] <sumanah>	 nit3ch: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-in-del
[18:27:26] <wikibugs_>	 14(INVALID) Article Feedback Page - first item appears wrong in Firefox9/Win - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34127  +comment (10Yoni Shostak)
[18:27:55] <sumanah>	 nmudgal: http://wiki.wikimedia.in/ might also be of interest to you, as well as nit3ch 
[18:28:44] <nmudgal>	 sumanah, trying to change admin password from db as it ain't working.
[18:31:22] <sumanah>	 nmudgal: what error are you getting?
[18:31:35] * sumanah  will ask questions to get data so more skilled & experienced people can actually help

[18:31:44] <nmudgal>	 found changepassword.php I think.
[18:32:19] <nit3ch>	 sumanah: will try to interect with the community and like to get involve in meantime getting my hand dirty with little annoying bugs :)
[18:32:25] <sumanah>	 nit3ch: :-) ok
[18:34:26] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Article Feedback Page - Put the date first, then the time - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34075  +comment (10fflorin)
[18:34:58] <codurr>	 03jeroendedauw * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111056> 10/trunk/extensions/EducationProgram/ (9 files in 3 dirs): work on deletion, revisioning and logging
[18:36:55] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Error: event is undefined - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34267  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[18:37:13] <sumanah>	 "Parsoid" - got it
[18:37:47] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) [RT] fatal error when "pages with the prefix" field contains a namespace followed by a colon - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34287  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[18:38:50] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) android wikipedia app does not link to authors/history of wikipedia article. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34292  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[18:39:17] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Android app should allow pinch and zoom - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34293  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[18:39:40] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Can't upload an image on user registration - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34294  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[18:39:48] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Article Feedback Page - Sorting links visual issues - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34071  +comment (10Fabrice Florin)
[18:40:32] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Article Feedback Page - Sorting links visual issues - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34071  +comment (10fflorin)
[18:40:47] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Allow setting aliases for the namespace separator for consistency of page name texts - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34295  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[18:41:47] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Allow full-width colon as namespace separator for consistency of page name texts - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34295  normal->15enhancement; summary (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[18:41:47] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Article Feedback Page Add the word ' Tools' in the navbar - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34072  +comment (10fflorin)
[18:42:05] <codurr>	 03brion * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111057> 10/trunk/mockups/glaucus-quick/ (app.js glaucus.css index.html): glaucus mockup: add stub menu for article
[18:44:49] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Article Feedback Page - Activity link - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34090  +comment (10Fabrice Florin)
[18:45:53] <sumanah>	 fyi, awjr I am taking a lunch break, back in 45
[18:46:15] <Rogue-kun>	 Is there anywhere where you an serach http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/mediawiki-l/ 's archives?
[18:47:29] <hashar>	 Rogue-kun: use another mail archiver such as markmail, gmane or gossamer threads
[18:47:36] <Krenair>	 What does "(Added PHP closing tag)" mean after a revision's undo button?
[18:49:04] <Rogue-kun>	 hashar thanks
[18:49:11] <hashar>	 Rogue-kun: http://wikimedia.markmail.org/search/?q=mediawiki-l
[18:49:19] <hashar>	 Rogue-kun: I like markmail for searching
[18:49:37] <hashar>	 not sure how you can list a specific mailing list though
[18:49:59] <Morbus>	 is there a way to find every page that uses perrow? I need to fix all my galleries after the change from TABLE to UL. Using SQL would be fine.
[18:50:07] <codurr>	 03brion * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111058> 10/trunk/mockups/glaucus-quick/ (app.js glaucus.css index.html): glaucus mockup: more stub menus; click to dismiss behavior
[18:50:08] <Morbus>	 *for discovery
[18:52:16] <codurr>	 03mah * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111059> 10/trunk/extensions/Comments/CommentClass.php: Fixes Bug 34301 - Comments: Vote buttons for users without "comment" right.
[18:53:11] <wikibugs_>	 03(FIXED) Comments: Vote buttons for users without "comment" right. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34301  +comment (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[18:53:39] <codurr>	 03aaron * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111060> 10/trunk/phase3/includes/cache/HTMLFileCache.php: Made loadFromFileCache() always disable $wgOut regardless of whether compression is used
[18:53:48] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Add email-verified or email-not-verified class to email options - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34302  normal->15enhancement (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[18:53:53] <nmudgal>	 "The username $1 is not registered on this wiki, but it does exist in the unified login system" is this bug or not not sure => $1 while it should not print variables to end user? 
[18:53:59] <awjr>	 siebrand: where was that 'examples' directory you were talking about?
[18:55:35] <codurr>	 03bsitu * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111061> 10/trunk/extensions/ArticleCreationWorkflow/ArticleCreationWorkflow.php: Adding dependency for ext.articleCreation.init.js so the page will not throw mw.user not defined error
[18:56:07] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) importScript, importScriptURI, and addPortletLink errors - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34147  +comment (10mah)
[18:57:42] <hexmode>	 RoanKattouw: bug #34147 (^^ and similar RL bugs) ... 
[18:57:44] <codurr>	 03reedy * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111062> 10/trunk/phase3/README: Sync README up with Special:Version
[18:58:00] <hexmode>	 I'm not comfortable with the current RL/caching situation
[18:58:03] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Article Feedback Page - Tweak 'Showing' filter labels - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34087  +comment (10fflorin)
[18:58:17] <hexmode>	 how do we know these things aren't going to happen in production?
[18:58:32] <RoanKattouw>	 hexmode: I'm pretty sure it's Squid weirdness in deployment-prep
[18:58:59] <hexmode>	 sure, me too.  I'd just like to have something more than "weirdness" to point to
[18:59:01] <RoanKattouw>	 By Petr's own admission, the Squid setup in labs is flaky
[18:59:45] <RoanKattouw>	 If and when this behavior occurs on a WMF wiki (test(2)wiki or a labswiki or whatever), I'll take it seriously
[18:59:58] <RoanKattouw>	 No one has been able to reproduce this on any other system
[18:59:59] <codurr>	 03reedy * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111063> 10/branches/REL1_19/phase3/ (. HISTORY README):
[18:59:59] <codurr>	 Housekeeping
[19:00:00] <codurr>	 MFT r111002, r111062
[19:00:10] <hexmode>	 k, as long as we test on testwiki first
[19:00:26] <codurr>	 03kipcool * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111064> 10/trunk/extensions/Wikidata/OmegaWiki/ (Controller.php OmegaWikiEditors.php): Allow removing incoming relations directly.
[19:00:41] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) bits.wm.o loading issues from Pakistan - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34256  +comment (10sam)
[19:01:15] <codurr>	 03brion * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111065> 10/trunk/mockups/glaucus-quick/ (glaucus.css index.html): add test content to glaucus demo
[19:02:42] <codurr>	 03kipcool * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111066> 10/trunk/extensions/Wikidata/OmegaWiki/resources/ (omegawiki-ajax.js suggest.js):
[19:02:43] <codurr>	 - Search terms in bold in the comboboxes
[19:02:43] <codurr>	 - explang parameter stays when changing between view / edit / history
[19:03:06] <codurr>	 03catrope * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111067> 10/trunk/phase3/resources/mediawiki/mediawiki.js: Followup r110988: IE8 throws JS errors if you try to call .append() on a <style> tag (or try to change .innerHTML), so catch the error and fall back to replacing the style tag with a new one
[19:04:17] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) ResourceLoader should work around IE's limit on number of <style> tags - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31676  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[19:07:47] <codurr>	 New code comment: Aaron Schulz; Why the change?; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111035#c30663>
[19:08:56] <wikibugs_>	 03(NEW) Comments: Server must reject comments if they come from users without "comment" right. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34303 normal; MediaWiki extensions: Comments; (van.de.bugger)
[19:09:06] <codurr>	 03amire80 * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111068> 10/trunk/extensions/Narayam/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Adding a Narayam mapping for Bhojpuri (bho).
[19:09:15] <MaxSem>	 ahhaha $dbr = wfGetDB( DB_MASTER );
[19:10:18] <RoanKattouw>	 Oops
[19:14:39] <codurr>	 03jeroendedauw * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111069> 10/trunk/phase3/RELEASE-NOTES-1.20: follow up to r111017 - up rel notes
[19:14:46] <codurr>	 03brion * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111070> 10/trunk/mockups/glaucus-quick/ (app.js glaucus.css menu-arrow.png): glaucus prettifications, sample contents
[19:15:32] <codurr>	 03brion * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111071> 10/trunk/mockups/glaucus-quick/app.js: hide the url bar
[19:15:40] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Comments: Server must reject comments if they come from users without "comment" right. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34303  +comment (10van.de.bugger)
[19:17:35] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) importScript, importScriptURI, and addPortletLink errors - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34147  +comment (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[19:25:59] <Dantman>	 Yesterday it was a fire alarm...
[19:26:11] <Dantman>	 Today the power goes out for a minute or so.
[19:26:30] <tale>	 Does not bode well for tomorrow.
[19:26:42] <hexmode>	 !branchpoints
[19:26:42] <mw-bot>	 http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Branch_points
[19:27:25] <vvv>	 1.19 branched?
[19:28:35] <RoanKattouw>	 Aye
[19:29:40] <codurr>	 03reedy * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111072> 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ (31 files in 10 dirs):
[19:29:40] <codurr>	 Fixing some of the "@return true" or "@return false", need to be "@return bool" and then the metadata can say true if foo, false if bar
[19:29:40] <codurr>	 Other documentation improvements
[19:30:08] <codurr>	 03reedy * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111073> 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ (26 files in 9 dirs):
[19:30:08] <codurr>	 Fixing some of the "@return true" or "@return false", need to be "@return bool" and then the metadata can say true if foo, false if bar
[19:30:08] <codurr>	 Other documentation improvements
[19:30:18] <codurr>	 03bsitu * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111074> 10/trunk/extensions/ArticleCreationWorkflow/ (3 files in 2 dirs): remove rudundant empty spaces and add some comment
[19:31:51] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Comments: Server must reject comments if they come from users without "comment" right. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34303  +comment (10van.de.bugger)
[19:32:47] <codurr>	 New code comment: Aaron Schulz; What about pages that cannot be cached? This seems to disable output compression for such cases, whi; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111028#c30664>
[19:32:52] <Reedy>	 Yay
[19:33:04] <Reedy>	 Just bumped wgCodeReviewMaxDiffPaths
[19:33:09] <Reedy>	 Larger diffs now work :D
[19:33:16] <Reedy>	 $lazyness++;
[19:34:19] <codurr>	 New code comment: Siebrand; RELEASE-NOTES update missing.; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111017#c30665>
[19:39:15] <codurr>	 03brion * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111075> 10/trunk/mockups/glaucus-quick/ (app.js glaucus.css): show/hide behavior
[19:44:35] <wikibugs_>	 03(NEW) Article Feedback Page - Replace 'Delete' with 'Oversight' - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34304 major; MediaWiki extensions: ArticleFeedbackv5; (fflorin)
[19:44:53] <ethanolj>	 Is there a way to redirect user's to a certain page once they login? 
[19:45:08] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Article Feedback Page - Replace 'Delete' with 'Oversight' - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34304   +aftv5-1.5 (10Fabrice Florin)
[19:45:18] <codurr>	 03aaron * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111076> 10/trunk/phase3/thumb.php: (bug 34231) - 'Make thumb.php error or redirect for urls with bogus paths but valid file & thumb names.'
[19:45:50] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Make thumb.php error or redirect for urls with bogus paths but valid file & thumb names - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34231  +comment (10aschulz4587)
[19:46:16] <tale>	 ethanolj: Google finds something with mediawiki login redirect
[19:49:47] <sumanah>	 awjr: so, how goes the prep?
[19:49:49] <sumanah>	 need anything?
[19:50:03] <awjr>	 nope, i think im good :
[19:50:07] <awjr>	 :)
[19:50:14] <awjr>	 at least for now. thanks!
[19:50:16] <sumanah>	 awjr: oh, ok
[19:50:33] <codurr>	 03brion * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111077> 10/trunk/mockups/glaucus-quick/app.js: tweak
[19:52:25] <sumanah>	 thedj: do you have a second to help me with something?
[19:53:18] <sumanah>	 hi yuvipanda, how is Pune treating you? and what is the venue like?
[19:53:29] <yuvipanda>	 sumanah: heya
[19:53:31] <yuvipanda>	 pretty great :D
[19:53:54] <sumanah>	 yuvipanda: did you get a chance to talk with awjr? I know he was curious about the setup at the venue, the labs, what would be preloaded, etc
[19:54:41] <Daniel_WMDE>	 hexmode: hm, you really think attributing authors of wikipedia content has low priority?...
[19:54:45] <awjr>	 sumanah: i chatted with them all and we put together a good plan
[19:54:51] <Daniel_WMDE>	 (re bug 34292)
[19:55:07] <yuvipanda>	 sumanah: yeah, he and siebrand just got over with a few hours of fixing that up
[19:55:09] <yuvipanda>	 i think he's setup :)
[19:55:12] <sumanah>	 awjr: oh, where is it? did you stick it on the etherpad?
[19:55:12] <mw-phab>	 No symbol 'it' found anywhere.
[19:55:19] <hexmode>	 Daniel_WMDE: I was thinking about that, "high"?
[19:55:33] <awjr>	 sumanah: no, we just have it planned out locally
[19:55:46] <Reedy>	 Daniel_WMDE: the fix is fairly trivial to do though, right?
[19:55:47] <Daniel_WMDE>	 hexmode: i'd suggest that, yes :)
[19:55:56] <Daniel_WMDE>	 Reedy: probably
[19:56:03] <Daniel_WMDE>	 Reedy: well, linking to the history page is trivial.
[19:56:06] <sumanah>	 awjr: you know my thoughts on these matters -- better to share if possible (if nothing else it'll make it easier for Alolita & Rachel to implement)
[19:56:12] <Reedy>	 I'm meaning, they don't need to like scrape every user from every revision etc
[19:56:25] <Reedy>	 Yeah, that's what I was meaning, certainly for the minimal fix
[19:56:28] <sumanah>	 awjr: also, do you/ siebrand / yuvipanda know anything about whether some of the sessions might be recorded in any way?
[19:56:30] <Daniel_WMDE>	 which isn't a good way to attribute, but getting *good* attribution for wikipedia content is a whole different project
[19:56:36] <sumanah>	 audio is good, video is better
[19:56:50] <sumanah>	 specifically I'm hoping for some recording of the i18n tutorial and of awjr's intro workshop
[19:56:50] <yuvipanda>	 sumanah: afaik, no
[19:56:54] <Reedy>	 video and audio is best
[19:57:02] <sumanah>	 indeed :)
[19:57:02] <Daniel_WMDE>	 Reedy: yes, simple but important fixes should have high prio, don't you think hexmode ?
[19:57:14] <Reedy>	 Sure
[19:57:29] <Daniel_WMDE>	 Reedy: word-by-word attribution is something i descussed with TimStarling when i was in SF. there's a project proposalk upcoming.
[19:57:34] <Reedy>	 I was thinking especially when it's trivial to start dealing with, it should be sorted
[19:57:35] <Daniel_WMDE>	 it's feasible, but not trivial at all
[19:57:42] <Daniel_WMDE>	 needs lots of resources, too
[19:57:55] <Daniel_WMDE>	 Reedy: please :)
[19:58:04] <yuvipanda>	 sumanah: i'll try to get my camera + a microphone in and see what I can get
[19:58:07] <codurr>	 03werdna * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111078> 10/trunk/extensions/ArticleCreationWorkflow/modules/ext.articleCreation.core/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Add @embed, and add arrows to buttons
[19:58:09] <yuvipanda>	 if you want me to
[19:58:11] <Reedy>	 which bug number?
[19:58:13] <hexmode>	 Daniel_WMDE: important fixes should be high priority
[19:58:17] <yuvipanda>	 but i've a session *right* after that
[19:58:19] <Daniel_WMDE>	 hexmode: :)
[19:58:31] <Daniel_WMDE>	 hexmode: well, there's the urgent, and the important... 
[19:58:44] <Daniel_WMDE>	 fixing the parser was already important in 2005 :)
[19:58:56] <sumanah>	 yuvipanda: thanks.  Even crappy "set my N900 by someone who is talking" audio is better than nothing, in my experience, because it lets me + Guillaume + others use that info to update docs
[19:59:23] <Daniel_WMDE>	 Reedy: i actually talked to tomasz about it when i was in sf. guess it just went under. that's why i filed the bug.
[19:59:36] <Reedy>	 Sure
[19:59:49] <hexmode>	 Daniel_WMDE: "fixing the parser" and then there are the things that don't get done no matter what the priority is :P
[19:59:49] <Reedy>	 I was just meaning to make sure it's a blocker for the next release(s0
[20:00:00] <Daniel_WMDE>	 hexmode: hehe...
[20:00:21] <Daniel_WMDE>	 Reedy: i went for "critical" not "blocker", but it might just as well be.
[20:00:30] <Daniel_WMDE>	 Reedy: cre to add a dependency to the tracking bug?
[20:00:41] <Daniel_WMDE>	 i wasn't bold enough to do that :)
[20:00:47] <Daniel_WMDE>	 anyway
[20:00:49] <Reedy>	 yeah
[20:00:51] <Reedy>	 if i can find the bug :p
[20:00:58] <Daniel_WMDE>	 i think it would be best to add a link to the bottom of the page
[20:01:06] <Daniel_WMDE>	 as opposed to hide it under "about".
[20:01:13] <Daniel_WMDE>	 Reedy: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=34292
[20:01:50] <yuvipanda>	 sumanah: sihtty video + good audio vs no video + good audio vs reasonable video + shitty video
[20:01:52] <wikibugs_>	 04(REOPENED) Enable Wikitext for MediaWiki:Thumbnail_error - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/6044  +comment (10Bergi)
[20:01:55] <yuvipanda>	 which one would you prefer?
[20:01:58] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) android wikipedia app does not link to authors/history of wikipedia article. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34292  (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[20:01:58] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Wikipedia Android App 1.1 tracking - current bugs - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31805  (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[20:02:03] <Reedy>	 ^ done
[20:02:43] <Daniel_WMDE>	 Reedy: tnx
[20:02:50] <sumanah>	 yuvipanda: good question.  It depends on whether there is also someone who can take notes in some way during the talk, and on whether the presenter is using slides that will later be uploaded
[20:02:59] <sumanah>	 awjr: will you be using slides of some sort?
[20:04:00] <awjr>	 sumanah: yeah, probably pretty bare-bones. it's 1:30am here and i'll be presenting this in like… 12 hours.
[20:04:15] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) android wikipedia app does not link to authors/history of wikipedia article. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34292  +comment (10daniel.kinzler)
[20:04:34] <yuvipanda>	 Daniel_WMDE: objections to me moving https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=34292 to mobilefrontend?
[20:05:09] <Daniel_WMDE>	 yuvipanda: no, whatever fits into your scheme of work.
[20:05:17] <Reedy>	 Doesn't matter where it is, just needs doing ;)
[20:05:18] <Daniel_WMDE>	 mobile/android seemed to fit
[20:05:23] <Daniel_WMDE>	 indeed
[20:05:47] <yuvipanda>	 Daniel_WMDE: true, but you do realize then that the 'license violation' also occurs when you go to en.m.wikipedia.org
[20:05:51] <Daniel_WMDE>	 hi ^demon 
[20:05:58] <yuvipanda>	 on a mobile browser
[20:06:07] <^demon>	 Daniel_WMDE: Heya
[20:06:08] <Daniel_WMDE>	 yuvipanda: ah - no, i didn't realize that :)
[20:06:17] <Daniel_WMDE>	 yuvipanda: i'd say the same fix would be in order there
[20:06:26] <Reedy>	 create another bug :p
[20:06:27] <Daniel_WMDE>	 though i'm not sure whether it should be implemented in the same way
[20:06:32] <yuvipanda>	 Daniel_WMDE: fixing it there fixes it here
[20:06:39] <yuvipanda>	 Reedy: that's just mf content
[20:06:54] <Daniel_WMDE>	 good then, fix it there :)
[20:06:56] <sumanah>	 yuvipanda, ok, let's say, I prefer good video plus possibly blah audio, but will also take good audio with possibly blah video.  And in either case, if someone could just see where Arthur finds himself having to add stuff, digress, or answer a question, make a rough note somewhere - etherpad, talk page, whatever
[20:07:44] <yuvipanda>	 sumanah: because if you tell me 'good audio trumps video' i'll just go around and try to figure out a way to jack into the audio system
[20:07:50] <yuvipanda>	 and so i can get great audio
[20:07:57] <yuvipanda>	 and then try to get video in
[20:08:14] <yuvipanda>	 Daniel_WMDE: :)
[20:08:22] <yuvipanda>	 Reedy: don't file a new bug, just bump this over :)
[20:08:33] <codurr>	 New code comment: Jack Phoenix; Looks sane, just one minor coding style nitpick: the MW convention is to have no space between the e; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111059#c30666>
[20:09:20] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) mobile site does not link to authors/history of wikipedia article - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34292  summary (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[20:09:26] <sumanah>	 yuvipanda: I think that is a totally reasonable thing to do.  And if you find out that Harshad actually has plans for audio and/or video then you can combine forces, or leave it to him, or whatever, per your judgment.
[20:09:47] <codurr>	 New code comment: Jack Phoenix; Have had it since 2008, but I figured I'd comment on CR anyway.; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110807#c30667>
[20:10:00] <sumanah>	 yuvipanda: the two sessions I reaalllllly want recorded are the i18n tutorial and awjr's talk.  Erik probably also cares about the showcase at the end and so that would also be nice to capture.
[20:10:07] <sumanah>	 thanks for helping yuvipanda 
[20:10:16] <yuvipanda>	 sumanah: i'll charge my camera and see what I can do
[20:10:19] <yuvipanda>	 no promises though
[20:10:19] <yuvipanda>	 :)
[20:10:27] <sumanah>	 sure
[20:10:41] <codurr>	 03awjrichards * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111079> 10/trunk/extensions/Example/Example.php: Fixing class name in autload key
[20:10:42] <sumanah>	 yuvipanda: you may also be interested to see https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Pune_Hackathon_Feb_2012/Topics and the links
[20:10:45] <sumanah>	 in case that is useful
[20:10:46] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Add email-verified or email-not-verified class to email options - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34302   +easy (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[20:12:49] <yuvipanda>	 sumanah: seen that
[20:12:53] <yuvipanda>	 am in siebrand's room
[20:13:11] <sumanah>	 yuvipanda: ok! 
[20:13:58] <yuvipanda>	 so we've a good idea of what's happening
[20:14:17] <yuvipanda>	 :)
[20:14:18] <yuvipanda>	 anyway
[20:14:19] <yuvipanda>	 am off
[20:14:24] <yuvipanda>	 sumanah: let m e see what I can do
[20:14:31] <sumanah>	 thx
[20:14:44] <yuvipanda>	 gnite
[20:16:25] * Rogue-kun  smacks his head d'oh I should have checked the css first! the more noviced css admins had snuck in a few changes! chrome worked around the errors, but firefox and ie threw out the entire pages! after the upgrade!

[20:16:37] <sumanah>	 Rogue-kun: !!!!
[20:16:46] <sumanah>	 Rogue-kun: well, at least you found the problem
[20:16:50] <sumanah>	 and arguably also a deeper problem
[20:18:00] <wikibugs_>	 03(FIXED) Article Feedback Page - Sorting links visual issues - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34071  (10Yoni Shostak)
[20:18:05] <codurr>	 03cervidae * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111080> 10/trunk/extensions/GoogleMaps/GoogleMaps.php: Its message's name is 'gm-desc', not 'gm-descs'
[20:18:45] <codurr>	 03yaron * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111081> 10/tags/extensions/SemanticForms/REL_2_4/: Tag for version 2.4
[20:18:45] <codurr>	 03yonishostak * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111082> 10/trunk/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5/ (3 files in 2 dirs): AFTv5: fix bug 34071 - sorting labels visual issues
[20:21:10] <wikibugs_>	 03(FIXED) Article Feedback Page - Replace 'Delete' with 'Oversight' - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34304  (10Yoni Shostak)
[20:21:34] <codurr>	 03yonishostak * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111083> 10/trunk/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5/ArticleFeedbackv5.i18n.php: AFTv5: fix bug 34304 - wording
[20:22:40] <wikibugs_>	 03(FIXED) Article Feedback Page - Put the date first, then the time - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34075  +comment (10Yoni Shostak)
[20:22:48] <Rogue-kun>	 did mediawiki 1.16 also truncate the css for page loading speed?
[20:23:28] <Reedy>	 truncate?
[20:23:33] <Reedy>	 RL came in 1.17
[20:24:22] <Rogue-kun>	 truncate, as in strip out comment, whitespace and line returns
[20:24:55] <Reedy>	 called minification
[20:25:07] <sumanah>	 Rogue-kun: "ResourceLoader"
[20:25:10] <codurr>	 03aaron * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111084> 10/trunk/extensions/SwiftMedia/ (8 files in 2 dirs):
[20:25:10] <codurr>	 * Removed obsolete files
[20:25:10] <codurr>	 * Moved test files to /tests
[20:25:19] <Reedy>	 truncate would mean we just removed some of it
[20:25:29] <sumanah>	 hey RoanKattouw, Reedy, Nikerabbit, chrismcmahon, robla, I'm gonna be working on the "things you wanted to know about the git migration" blog post/communication -- what do you wanna know?
[20:25:40] <Rogue-kun>	 ahh hence why the bad css wasn't a proble in 1.16 be caused a problem after the upgrade!
[20:26:06] <sumanah>	 Rogue-kun: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/ResourceLoader
[20:26:22] <Reedy>	 sumanah: in what sense? About git itself? Or about how we're going to actually do it? Or both?
[20:26:23] <sumanah>	 Rogue-kun: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki_1.17#ResourceLoader
[20:26:40] <sumanah>	 Reedy: any open question you legitimately have, although "how we are gonna do it" is the main focus
[20:26:40] <chrismcmahon>	 sumanah: I've been through one big SVN->git migration, and otherwise used git a fair bit.  I think I'm OK at least for now. 
[20:26:46] <sumanah>	 ok, thanks chrismcmahon 
[20:27:28] <Nikerabbit>	 sumanah: I'm really interested whether my head will explode with the new system after using the nice code review tool
[20:27:36] <Reedy>	 xD
[20:27:48] <sumanah>	 Reedy: questions I aim to answer include Nikerabbit's "how are we gonna handle the translators' work?" and "what about gerrit? when will it be not a ux nightmare?"
[20:27:50] <sumanah>	 (paraphrase)
[20:27:51] <chrismcmahon>	 Nikerabbit: that's a good point, the code review thing is pretty important
[20:28:25] <sumanah>	 so, "who will have the ability to do code review? how do I get training on using the new tools?"
[20:28:28] <Reedy>	 chrismcmahon: you obviously haven't heard about our push to site and go to lunch deployment method
[20:28:55] <sumanah>	 it's called agile because you push the button and then immediately leap nimbly to the elevator
[20:29:01] <chrismcmahon>	 Reedy: I'm guessing something like that is behind the recent QA hire :)
[20:29:19] <Reedy>	 We've tried to deprecate that for numerous years...
[20:29:28] <RoanKattouw>	 sumanah: Should we have an Etherpad or wiki page for this Q&A stuff maybe?
[20:29:45] <sumanah>	 RoanKattouw: I'm gonna collate it in the talk page of https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Git/Conversion/issues
[20:29:48] <sumanah>	 or something like that
[20:30:12] <RoanKattouw>	 OK
[20:30:19] <RoanKattouw>	 Because I want to contribute thoughts, but Not Right Now
[20:31:27] <sumanah>	 RoanKattouw: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Git/Conversion/issues
[20:31:41] <Reedy>	 I think he needs do some QA on his connection
[20:31:54] <sumanah>	 ha, yeah
[20:32:54] <sumanah>	 so, ^demon, I'll be helping write answers to the questions I am collating in  https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Git/Conversion/issues
[20:34:45] <sumanah>	 awjr: if you have a second, I could use your advice on a "what fits in what section" question.
[20:35:04] <sumanah>	 johnduhart: could also consult you if you have a moment
[20:35:11] * johnduhart  should really write that phabricator email

[20:35:17] <johnduhart>	 Possibly
[20:36:04] <Reedy>	 johnduhart: you can commit to trunk
[20:36:05] <Reedy>	 woooooooooooooo
[20:36:09] <sumanah>	 johnduhart: oooh, yes, that is a very strong point, maybe I should let you do that -- also I am willing to help write it if you need anything
[20:36:42] <wikibugs_>	 03(VERIFIED) Creation date special property. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/32165  +comment (10Van de Bugger)
[20:36:43] <johnduhart>	 Reedy: lmao
[20:37:01] <Reedy>	 chrismcmahon: [20:31:47] <Reedy> I think he needs do some QA on his connection
[20:37:14] <Reedy>	 I need to remember where I've stashed patches and stuff
[20:37:15] <Reedy>	 oh well
[20:37:59] * ^demon  bangs his head against the wall

[20:38:29] <Reedy>	 Do the merges to 1.19 tomorrow and then branch off 1.19wmf1 asewll
[20:38:43] <RoanKattouw>	 Yay
[20:38:50] <RoanKattouw>	 That'll be really quick then
[20:39:20] <codurr>	 03maxsem * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111085> 10/trunk/phase3/ (3 files in 3 dirs): (bug 28936, bug 5280) Broken or invalid titles can't be removed from watchlist. Now titles are fixed or deleted, if unfixable, upon loading Special:EditWatchlist.
[20:39:29] <Reedy>	 Yeah, see if there's anything else comitted that might be a good idea to pull in
[20:39:31] <Reedy>	 then we can wait a couple of hours for stuff to copy to nfs ;)
[20:39:35] <wikibugs_>	 03(VERIFIED) SemanticMediaWiki: Named arguments for template + debug output. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/32654  +comment (10Van de Bugger)
[20:39:40] <^demon>	 RoanKattouw: Can you approve https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#q,status:open+owner:Demon,n,z or no?
[20:40:00] <RoanKattouw>	 lookinh
[20:40:08] <RoanKattouw>	 I don't have +2 powers
[20:40:18] <wikibugs_>	 03(FIXED) Fix inability to remove invalid titles from watchlist (both SpecialWatchlist/edit and SpecialWatchlist/raw) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/28936  +comment (10Max Semenik)
[20:40:19] <^demon>	 *headdesk*
[20:40:28] <^demon>	 Guess I'll have to manually patch the copy on formey
[20:40:39] <RoanKattouw>	 No that's fine
[20:40:45] <RoanKattouw>	 I think I can *give* myself access
[20:40:45] <wikibugs_>	 03(FIXED) Invalid titles cannot be unwatched via Special:Watchlist/edit - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/5280  +comment (10Max Semenik)
[20:40:50] <Reedy>	 Dear PEAR, why the hell is the factory method of the Mail class not static?
[20:40:57] <^demon>	 Should be?
[20:41:02] <johnduhart>	 hahaha what
[20:41:11] <RoanKattouw>	 ^demon: Would you mind if all WMF employees had +2 access to ops/software?
[20:41:18] <^demon>	 s/Should be?/PEAR sucks/
[20:41:22] <Reedy>	 lol
[20:41:27] <^demon>	 RoanKattouw: I think it'll be fine.
[20:41:29] <RoanKattouw>	 Hm, or I could create a new group
[20:41:31] <^demon>	 There's like 3 things in there.
[20:41:35] <MaxSem>	 Dear Reedy, this is not even nearly the worst perversion allowed by PHP
[20:41:52] <Reedy>	 I know
[20:41:54] <Reedy>	 But it's a wat
[20:42:20] <^demon>	 ha, just realized I could've edited the permissions.
[20:42:54] <Reedy>	 http://svn.php.net/viewvc/pear/packages/Mail/trunk/Mail.php?view=annotate#l74
[20:42:56] <Reedy>	 johnduhart: ^
[20:43:09] <RoanKattouw>	 ^demon: I created a new group with you and me called opssoftware, and gave it review + submission persm
[20:43:20] <^demon>	 kthnx.
[20:43:25] <^demon>	 http://p.defau.lt/?Wh05u_8U4M0IAcicp5ZeqQ I'm trying to debug this ungodly mess now :p
[20:43:28] <Rogue-kun>	 BTW is there any possible was to do some simply interger math in templates? something along the lines of {{INT:{{{width}}}+6}} ?
[20:43:31] <johnduhart>	 Reedy: :|
[20:43:32] <RoanKattouw>	 Gerrit is now taking its time to load these revs, presumably the diffs are big
[20:43:42] <RoanKattouw>	 Rogue-kun: {{#expr:5+6}} renders 11
[20:44:01] <^demon>	 First commit should just be a clean fork from upstream.
[20:44:02] <codurr>	 New code comment: Nikerabbit; Feels a bit stupid to convert it to first array, when newFromRow converts it back to object immediat; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110897#c30668>
[20:44:15] <Rogue-kun>	 RoanKattouw: will it grab a string from a variable?
[20:44:35] <RoanKattouw>	 Sure
[20:44:41] <RoanKattouw>	 {{#expr:{{{width}}}+6}} works too
[20:45:08] <Rogue-kun>	 thanks 8)
[20:45:40] <wikibugs_>	 03(VERIFIED) SMW: Timezone is not recognized. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/32732  +comment (10Van de Bugger)
[20:46:49] <Rogue-kun>	 i though #expr only returned true/false
[20:46:52] <johnduhart>	 SemanticTimezones
[20:46:55] <RoanKattouw>	 Nope
[20:47:01] <RoanKattouw>	 That's #ifexpr
[20:47:26] <sumanah>	 johnduhart: so, need any additional eyes for the Phabricator email, or you good?
[20:47:48] <johnduhart>	 sumanah: I'm good right now, I'm going to upgrade the install and finish the reviewer docs
[20:47:53] <sumanah>	 johnduhart: or, if you simply don't feel like doing that right now, I'll ask you to skim https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/How_to_become_a_MediaWiki_hacker/Workshop and see simply whether the ordering of topic headings makes sense
[20:48:00] <sumanah>	 as in, what's a child of what
[20:48:39] <sumanah>	 johnduhart: this is meant to be a syllabus from which an instructor could pick & choose -- the whole thing takes like 3 hours, but awjr is just going to do the first overview and then an Extensions thing (hello world, specialpage, etc)
[20:48:59] <johnduhart>	 Ah
[20:50:03] <codurr>	 New code comment: Reedy; cloud!; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111051#c30669>
[20:50:10] <awjr>	 sumanah: i'm also creating a fake bug in bugzilla. time permitting, i'd like to have the workshop participants create a patch from the work they did, create a bugzilla account, and submit their patch to the fake bug
[20:50:20] <sumanah>	 YES awjr!
[20:50:29] <johnduhart>	 awjr: 
[20:50:30] <awjr>	 heh
[20:50:36] <johnduhart>	 awjr: Oh I've been looking for you!
[20:50:41] <sumanah>	 awjr: http://openhatch.org/missions/diffpatch might be useful for people who need help with diffing and patch-making
[20:50:42] <awjr>	 thinking back to last year, i remember folks really needing a lot of handholding
[20:50:49] <awjr>	 svn diff :)
[20:50:50] <sumanah>	 awjr: yeah.
[20:50:56] <codurr>	 03werdna * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111086> 10/trunk/extensions/ArticleCreationWorkflow/ (3 files): ACW: Add preference to enable/disable. Currently just exposed in JS
[20:51:06] <sumanah>	 and awjr http://openhatch.org/missions/svn in case people need help with learning SVN
[20:51:25] <awjr>	 sumanah: thanks. do we have documentation on mediawiki.org about making patches?
[20:51:31] <sumanah>	 awjr: yup!
[20:51:35] <awjr>	 linky?
[20:51:44] <sumanah>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/How_to_become_a_MediaWiki_hacker#Submit_your_changes
[20:51:48] <codurr>	 03robin * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111087> 10/trunk/extensions/WikimediaIncubator/ (4 files):
[20:51:48] <codurr>	 IncubatorTest: Redirect $redlink=1 back to the normal page also for sister projects
[20:51:48] <codurr>	 InfoPage: a better title for unrecognised languages: put "unknown code" after the title instead of using it as parameter
[20:52:08] <wikibugs_>	 03(NEW) This is an example bug for 2012 Pune Hackathon - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34305 normal; MediaWiki extensions: [other]; (arichards)
[20:52:16] <codurr>	 03johnduhart * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111088> 10/trunk/extensions/MobileFrontend2/ (7 files in 3 dirs): Implemented mobile main page
[20:52:20] <codurr>	 03johnduhart * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111089> 10/trunk/extensions/MobileFrontend2/ (8 files in 4 dirs): Zepto fixes & CSS cleanup
[20:52:37] <awjr>	 oh lol.
[20:52:40] <awjr>	 thanks sumanah :)
[20:52:55] <awjr>	 johnduhart: hi :)
[20:53:09] <^demon>	 RoanKattouw: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#change,2466 was super-useful because I was tired of writing a bunch of useless rules to match stuff that I wasn't explicitly trying to export.
[20:53:09] <johnduhart>	 awjr: If you didn't hear I'm rewriting MobileFrontend, and I heard you were working on de-wikimedifying MobileFrontend
[20:54:32] <awjr>	 i did not hear that you're rewriting MobileFrontend
[20:54:45] <awjr>	 that might make my de-wikimediafying it… useless?
[20:55:23] <awjr>	 johnduhart: now is actually not a good time for me to chat about this - i haven't actually started any work on MF and probably wont get to it til late next week. can we touch base then?
[20:55:27] <sumanah>	 johnduhart: see, when you start rewriting a major extension, maybe you should email people fairly early on?
[20:55:41] <sumanah>	 instead of just relying on the grapevine
[20:55:49] <johnduhart>	 awjr: Sure.
[20:56:18] <johnduhart>	 sumanah: Right.
[20:56:31] <MaxSem>	 awjr, that's what I wrote in my email: we must decide what we do with this rewrite. cuz I need to start working on MF API right now
[20:56:36] <sumanah>	 well, now you know for when you start rewriting the parser from scratch tomorrow :D
[20:56:41] <awjr>	 johnduhart: thanks :) i'm trying to pull a presentation together and still get some sleep tonight 
[20:57:44] <johnduhart>	 MaxSem: What's the MF API?
[20:58:15] <awjr>	 johnduhart, MaxSem: get started in the way that you think is best for now and we can reevaluate when i get back to a regular schedule late next week. there's no reason i should be a bottleneck for you guys on this. my initial tasks were going to be to remove the expectancy of wikimedia cache servers for caching and to make the URL scheme for mobile more flexible. i'm sure i can work around whatever you guys start doing :)
[20:58:47] <MaxSem>	 johnduhart, MF needs a real API, with much more features
[20:58:59] <johnduhart>	 MaxSem: Such as?
[20:59:26] <MaxSem>	 awjr, but you will apparently work on original MF, right?
[20:59:51] <MaxSem>	 johnduhart, such as retrieve sections, make responses cacheable if possible
[21:00:00] <sumanah>	 "MF, now with Original flavor and brandnew Cool Ranch"
[21:00:10] <awjr>	 MaxSem: i don't follow
[21:00:30] <sumanah>	 Reedy: I laughed at your new "cloud" tag
[21:00:31] <sumanah>	 :)
[21:00:54] <MaxSem>	 awjr, he's doing a full rewrite not even in a branch but in a separate directory called MobileFrontend2
[21:01:09] * ^demon  continues to bang his head against the wall in frustration

[21:01:14] <^demon>	 Ow.
[21:01:20] <MaxSem>	 awjr, no way his work will be functional when you start working on MF
[21:01:37] <MaxSem>	 ^demon, wassup?
[21:02:24] <awjr>	 MaxSem: i guess i do not have enough context or knowledge about these plans to really have much input on this right now
[21:02:34] <johnduhart>	 MF2 will be built from the start without wikimedia-isms, so awjr's work wouldn't be needed for this. And MaxSem your API can be ported over later, probably.
[21:02:36] <^demon>	 MaxSem: http://p.defau.lt/?eWQsWu52sCfYkDU4_ByDyg
[21:02:45] <^demon>	 I have no clue what's going on.
[21:04:02] <awjr>	 MaxSem, johnduhart: it sounds like we need to coordinate with tomasz and patrick, or at least i do. i think you should go ahead and proceed as you best see fit for now. like is aid, i can't really talk about this right now and will not even begin any significant mobile work til the end of next week
[21:04:03] <MaxSem>	 meh
[21:04:32] * ^demon  goes to find a corner to cry in for a bit

[21:04:49] <johnduhart>	 awjr: yeah
[21:05:03] * johnduhart  hands chad some tissues

[21:05:14] * MaxSem  decides to limit his refactorings to minimum

[21:05:23] <codurr>	 03raymond * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111090> 10/trunk/ (61 files in 43 dirs): Localisation updates for core and extension messages from translatewiki.net
[21:06:22] <codurr>	 03mrbluesky * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111091> 10/trunk/phase3/includes/EditPage.php: (bug 17416) Don't prompt for summary when summary is preset using &summary=
[21:08:13] <codurr>	 03reedy * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111092> 10/trunk/phase3/maintenance/ (18 files in 3 dirs): Fixing up undefined types in maintenance documentation
[21:08:32] <wikibugs_>	 03(NEW) SMW: Warning: array_merge(): Argument #2 is not an array - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34306 normal; MediaWiki extensions: Semantic MediaWiki; (van.de.bugger)
[21:12:31] <AaronSchulz>	 Reedy: "@return book"
[21:12:33] <AaronSchulz>	 lol
[21:13:10] <awjr>	 sumanah: i'm going to put together a tutorial page for the workshop tomorrow. when i'm done, would you mind taking a look and doing any cleanup?
[21:13:24] <awjr>	 i desperately need to go to bed soon :p
[21:13:24] <wikibugs_>	 03(FIXED) Make squid logger (udp2log) more scalable - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/25427  -patch ; +comment (10Rob Lanphier)
[21:14:01] <sumanah>	 awjr: huh, ok, I was thinking you would just basically transclude bits of https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/How_to_become_a_MediaWiki_hacker/Workshop
[21:14:32] <awjr>	 sumanah: i am going to, but much more simplified and tailored to the steps needed specifically for the workshop
[21:14:36] <sumanah>	 awjr: ok
[21:14:38] <sumanah>	 makes sense
[21:14:42] <awjr>	 thanks :)
[21:14:45] <sumanah>	 I don't want to duplicate work of course
[21:16:06] <codurr>	 03reedy * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111093> 10/trunk/extensions/WikimediaMaintenance/ (4 files): Remove some duplicated phase3 Maintenance scripts
[21:17:21] <codurr>	 03reedy * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111094> 10/trunk/ (4 files in 3 dirs): More documentation improvements
[21:17:24] <sumanah>	 johnduhart: I haven't forgotten about the idea of helping you teach some intro-to-MediaWiki class in NYC sometime soon -- I'm thinking that the tutorial that awjr is working on, and/or https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/How_to_become_a_MediaWiki_hacker/Workshop , could be a good basis
[21:18:39] <codurr>	 03reedy * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111095> 10/branches/REL1_19/extensions/WikimediaMaintenance/ (4 files): Merge r111093
[21:19:07] <codurr>	 03werdna * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111096> 10/trunk/extensions/ArticleCreationWorkflow/ (3 files): Revert r111086 and try something else. Set a cutoff, and only send the init script if the user is anonymous or registered after a configurable cutoff
[21:19:17] <werdna>	 raindrift: ^^
[21:19:20] <codurr>	 03maxsem * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111097> 10/trunk/extensions/Example/Example.body.php: fix function case
[21:20:38] <codurr>	 03brion * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111098> 10/trunk/mockups/glaucus-quick/app.js: tweak click handling for android
[21:22:13] <codurr>	 03foxtrott * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111099> 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/includes/ (SF_ParserFunctions.php SF_Utils.php): bugfix (positional parameters not working for formedit, forminput)
[21:24:25] <sumanah>	 awjr: I have a 30-min meeting starting in 5 min, but will be on IRC even if I've left all the channels
[21:24:40] <awjr>	 sumanah: no worries - i'm hoping to be in bed in the next hour
[21:25:25] <raindrift>	 werdna: ^_^
[21:28:15] <sumanah>	 robla: back in 3 min
[21:29:27] <codurr>	 03brion * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111100> 10/trunk/mockups/glaucus-quick/ (glaucus.css index.html): fix spacing issue on buttons
[21:33:31] <codurr>	 03reedy * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111101> 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ (49 files in 11 dirs): More return documentation
[21:35:09] <codurr>	 03reedy * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111102> 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ (42 files in 9 dirs): More return documentation
[21:36:18] <codurr>	 03reedy * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111103> 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ (50 files in 5 dirs): More return documentation
[21:36:41] <codurr>	 03jeroendedauw * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111104> 10/trunk/extensions/EducationProgram/ (3 files in 3 dirs): adding minor edit and comment control to edit forms
[21:39:03] <wikibugs_>	 14(WFM) SemanticFormsInputs fatal bug on regex validation - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33982  +comment (10f.trott)
[21:48:24] <codurr>	 03brion * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111105> 10/trunk/extensions/VisualEditor/modules/sandbox/sandbox.js: local variable
[21:49:00] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Beta opt-in and opt-out links on mobile site - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34232  +comment (10hwalls)
[21:49:32] <codurr>	 New code comment: Aaron Schulz; I hope these don't cause backport edit conflicts.; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111101#c30670>
[21:50:07] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Beta opt-in and opt-out links on mobile site - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34232  +comment (10hwalls)
[21:51:08] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) UI polish for full-screen search on mobile site - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34233  +comment (10hwalls)
[21:54:21] <vvv>	 brion: won't you mind if I mess a bit with CodeEditor?
[21:54:55] <wikibugs_>	 03(NEW) Page doesn't scroll when dragging selection off bottom of window in visual editor - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34307 normal; MediaWiki extensions: VisualEditor; (brion)
[21:55:47] <codurr>	 03brion * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111106> 10/trunk/extensions/VisualEditor/modules/sandbox/special.js: bugzilla is on https only (though it will redirect)
[21:55:52] <brion>	 vvv, go ahead 
[21:56:03] <vvv>	 Thanks
[21:56:52] <codurr>	 03brion * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111107> 10/trunk/extensions/VisualEditor/modules/sandbox/special.js: local variable
[21:58:44] <codurr>	 03reedy * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111108> 10/trunk/extensions/ExtensionManagement/: ExtensionManagement is unfunctional, and rather unlikely for anyone to be working on it anytime soon
[22:00:12] <Reedy>	 7077 open bugs
[22:01:42] <wikibugs_>	 14(WFM) Floating sidebar not working in Standard - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/120  (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[22:02:44] <wikibugs_>	 03(WONTFIX) MySQL 4 MATCHes "Grouped Phrases" as substrings, not word boundaries. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/375  +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[22:04:09] <codurr>	 03brion * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111109> 10/trunk/extensions/VisualEditor/modules/ve/ve.js: ve.js isn't the edit surface, that's es.js :)
[22:04:29] <AaronSchulz>	 maplebed: what was the file again?
[22:04:42] <maplebed>	 https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datei:Wasserhose_1884.png
[22:05:34] <AaronSchulz>	 gah, thought that was on commons
[22:06:01] <wikibugs_>	 14(DUP) Upload to Commons from any Wikimedia website - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/1552  +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[22:06:01] <sumanah>	 awjr: I'm still here
[22:06:02] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Enable $wgAllowCopyUploads (upload by URL) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/20512  +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[22:06:57] <awjr>	 sumanah: thanks :) im putting the finishing touches on now
[22:07:51] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) External links to .doc/.odf/.swf/image files should have their own custom icons - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/1578  +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[22:07:51] <AaronSchulz>	 maplebed: the thumb on bottom is a png...it's a totally different file
[22:08:04] <AaronSchulz>	 err, the other way around
[22:08:04] <maplebed>	 ok.
[22:08:13] <maplebed>	 it'd be nice to find an example that doesn't involve reading german.
[22:08:17] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) External links to .doc/.odf/.swf/image files should have their own custom icons - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/1578  +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[22:08:32] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) External links to .doc/.odf/.swf/image files should have their own custom icons - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/1578  +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[22:09:00] <AaronSchulz>	 that explains the different shards ;)
[22:09:21] <maplebed>	 though it doesn't explain why the 800px version of the jpg was broken.
[22:09:22] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) External links to .doc/.odf/.swf/image files should have their own custom icons - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/1578  +comment (10sam)
[22:09:24] <maplebed>	 but hem.
[22:09:26] <maplebed>	 meh.
[22:10:38] <wikibugs_>	 03(WONTFIX) Adding more search engines to 'googlesearch' - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/1825  (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[22:11:21] <AaronSchulz>	 the "Other resolutions: | | | ." is due to transform() failing
[22:11:35] <maplebed>	 dunno what you mean by transform() failing.
[22:11:37] <codurr>	 03christian * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111110> 10/trunk/extensions/VisualEditor/modules/ve/ce/ve.es.Surface.js: reorginization of event handlers
[22:12:24] * AaronSchulz  looks at File::transform()

[22:13:41] <wikibugs_>	 14(INVALID) When using LdapAuthentication extentions, ss_users in site_stat won - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/3277  (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[22:15:24] <Reedy>	 JeroenDeDauw: what as the wiki synchronisation extension you wrote?
[22:15:54] <wikibugs_>	 03(FIXED) Feature Request: Synchronizing Wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/3484  +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[22:15:57] <JeroenDeDauw>	 !e Push
[22:15:58] <mw-bot>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Push
[22:16:01] <JeroenDeDauw>	 Reedy: ^^
[22:16:02] <Reedy>	 Cheers
[22:16:27] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Feature Request: Synchronizing Wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/3484  +comment (10sam)
[22:16:55] <codurr>	 03werdna * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111111> 10/trunk/extensions/ArticleCreationWorkflow/ (ArticleCreationWorkflow.php includes/PHPBucket.php): Add new PHPBucket class, pure PHP implementation of mediawiki.user.bucket
[22:17:16] <werdna>	 raindrift: ^^
[22:18:27] <awjr>	 sumanah: https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=How_to_become_a_MediaWiki_hacker/Extension_Wirting_Tutorial&action=submit
[22:18:30] <awjr>	 er wait
[22:18:39] <awjr>	 sumanah: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/How_to_become_a_MediaWiki_hacker/Extension_Wirting_Tutorial
[22:18:48] <sumanah>	 awjr: you wanna move that to fix the typo in "writing"?
[22:19:07] <awjr>	 >_<
[22:19:16] <werdna>	 I love wirting extensions :)
[22:19:19] * awjr  needs sleep

[22:19:24] <wikibugs_>	 03(WONTFIX) Interwiki prefix c: could be used as a shortcut for commons: - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/4676  (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[22:19:30] <Reedy>	 werdna: how does one wirt?
[22:19:34] <sumanah>	 it's like writing
[22:19:38] <sumanah>	 but faster
[22:19:49] <werdna>	 You misunderstand me
[22:19:56] <sumanah>	 so that the gears inside the computer go "whirrrrr"
[22:19:57] <werdna>	 (wirting extensions) is a noun phrase, not a verb phrase
[22:20:08] <werdna>	 your computer has gears?
[22:20:13] <werdna>	 I mean, other than Google Gears
[22:20:16] <awjr>	 sumanah: i dont think i have sufficient rights to move the page
[22:20:21] <sumanah>	 awjr: mind if I do it?
[22:20:26] <awjr>	 please do
[22:20:43] <werdna>	 you do now
[22:20:46] <werdna>	 awjr: 
[22:20:49] <sumanah>	 done, awjr https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/How_to_become_a_MediaWiki_hacker/Extension_Writing_Tutorial
[22:20:56] <werdna>	 (show/hide) 09:20, 10 February 2012 Werdna (Talk | contribs | block) changed group membership for User:Awjrichards from coder to coder and administrator ‎
[22:21:17] <awjr>	 sumanah, werdna: thanks :)
[22:21:39] <codurr>	 03jeroendedauw * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111112> 10/trunk/extensions/EducationProgram/ (3 files in 2 dirs): minor fixes and tweaks
[22:21:40] <wikibugs_>	 14(DUP) Moving media files to Commons ought to be much easier, automatic - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/5283  +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[22:21:40] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Enable $wgAllowCopyUploads (upload by URL) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/20512  +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[22:21:44] <sumanah>	 so, awjr, if this is a reference for the students to follow along with, then I'll add a few links to the relevant sections of the megaworkshop
[22:22:11] <awjr>	 sumanah: great
[22:22:14] <sumanah>	 when you say "we will go over the basic coding toolchain, particularly for MediaWiki extensions, and our code intake/review/merge/deploy/release workflow." then I can just link to the relevant bit
[22:22:30] <awjr>	 beautiful
[22:22:43] <sumanah>	 awjr: plz review "How you give us code and how we review it and deploy it on Wikimedia servers" https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/How_to_become_a_MediaWiki_hacker/Workshop#How_you_give_us_code_and_how_we_review_it_and_deploy_it_on_Wikimedia_servers
[22:23:02] <werdna>	 "On bugzilla, never, and never"? :)
[22:23:05] <werdna>	 done!
[22:23:10] * werdna  runs from the murderous sumanah 

[22:23:30] <awjr>	 sumanah: i will go over it verbally. i'll go over all of that tutorial in much more depth out loud
[22:23:31] <sumanah>	 werdna: I am attempting to laugh.
[22:23:46] <sumanah>	 awjr: right. I just mean, is everything in that section basically right?
[22:23:52] <Reedy>	 brion: if you have a bit of time sometime soon, can you maybe do a bit of triage to the numerous math and related texvc etc bugs? There is probably a few that can be wontfixed etc
[22:23:59] * werdna  is attempting to avoid the temptation to do some code review as penance

[22:24:17] <sumanah>	 werdna: if you can help get 1.19 out the door, RobLa might buy you booze
[22:24:21] * sumanah  jests

[22:24:22] <awjr>	 sumanah: ah, afaik. you might ask someone else who has gone through that process - i've never dealt with it through bugzilla before :p
[22:24:32] <werdna>	 sumanah: I can buy my own booze now!
[22:24:35] <awjr>	 actually, that's not true, i think i did it once for a contrib
[22:24:42] <awjr>	 werdna: \o/
[22:24:58] <wikibugs_>	 03(NEW) HTML/JS/XSS injection in visual editor (attribute sanitation on links) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34308 normal; MediaWiki extensions: VisualEditor; (brion)
[22:25:03] <sumanah>	 awjr: (this problem came up in Haifa -- I had to keep reminding RoanKattouw that it was basically not useful to go into Special:CodeReview and all the tags and so on)
[22:25:20] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Make Monobook.php more readable - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/6872  (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[22:25:24] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Make Monobook.php more readable - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/6872  (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[22:25:25] <sumanah>	 awjr: ok. then you should probably read the section to familiarize yourself
[22:25:27] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Make Monobook.php more readable - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/6872  (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[22:25:29] <sumanah>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/How_to_become_a_MediaWiki_hacker/Workshop#How_you_give_us_code_and_how_we_review_it_and_deploy_it_on_Wikimedia_servers
[22:25:31] <awjr>	 sumanah: heh, yeah i think i wont go into CodeReview at all unless someone asks about it.
[22:25:35] <sumanah>	 thank you.
[22:25:47] <awjr>	 i want to keep this /very/ simple
[22:25:51] <sumanah>	 just "we have a process to review the code, then we deploy it, then after that we release tarballs"
[22:25:51] <sumanah>	 right
[22:26:04] <wikibugs_>	 03(WONTFIX) Make Monobook.php more readable - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/6872  (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[22:26:10] <awjr>	 i figure if there are a group of more advanced folks in the room, we might pair them with another staffer to do things a little more in-depth
[22:26:19] <sumanah>	 I reallllly like your exercises, awjr 
[22:26:36] <awjr>	 :)
[22:26:57] <awjr>	 i figured it was enough to get someone's feet wet and familiar with the most important basics
[22:27:08] <Reedy>	 !browser
[22:27:08] <mw-bot>	 I don't know anything about "browser". You might try: !cookies !externaleditor !fileurl !ie6 !passthru !phpinfo !refresh !useragent !webinspector 
[22:27:13] <Reedy>	 bleh
[22:27:32] <sumanah>	 I expanded "i18n" and did a minor edit there, awjr 
[22:27:32] <Reedy>	 Anyone know where our list of supported browser versions is?
[22:27:49] <codurr>	 03gwicke * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111113> 10/trunk/extensions/VisualEditor/modules/parser/ (ext.core.AttributeExpander.js pegTokenizer.pegjs.txt):
[22:27:50] <codurr>	 Some comments and reshuffling in the grammar, and a typo in the
[22:27:50] <codurr>	 AttributeExpander.
[22:28:04] <sumanah>	 awjr: when you say "Add a 'qqq' (documentation) message" there, I assume you'll just explain that in person?
[22:28:09] <awjr>	 sumanah: cool. im going to go to bed now - i'll review in the morning. feel free to email me any other notes you might have.
[22:28:14] <awjr>	 sumanah: yeah definitely
[22:28:18] <sumanah>	 or can I just link to the qqq-related docs?
[22:28:21] <Reedy>	 !browser is https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Compatibility#Browser
[22:28:21] <mw-bot>	 Successfully added keyword: browser
[22:28:24] <awjr>	 that's good too
[22:28:30] <sumanah>	 ok, awjr, I will just add some links and not try to expand the actual text that much
[22:28:41] <sumanah>	 sleep well, thank you for taking this seriously
[22:28:47] <awjr>	 sumanah ^ also, the i18n guys will be in the room to help 
[22:28:57] <wikibugs_>	 03(WONTFIX) Opera 9.01 - opening data areas does not work (javascript error) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/7265  +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[22:29:03] <awjr>	 my pleasure, i hope it will be useful tomorrow :)
[22:29:09] <sumanah>	 and in the future!
[22:29:12] <awjr>	 yes!
[22:29:17] <awjr>	 ok goodnight everyone
[22:29:29] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Review (and install?) Extension:Chemistry on en.wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/7514  normal->15enhancement (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[22:30:18] <wikibugs_>	 03(WONTFIX) Reports of Opera 9.10.521 crashes on dewiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31691  +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[22:30:53] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Extension for storing non-default $wgGroupPermission's in MySQL table - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/7750  normal->15enhancement (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[22:31:15] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Extension for storing non-default $wgGroupPermission's in MySQL table - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/7750  (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[22:32:09] <codurr>	 03werdna * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111114> 10/trunk/extensions/ArticleCreationWorkflow/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Reimplement bucketing using the new PHPBucket interface. Sadly, it works better.
[22:32:19] <JeroenDeDauw>	 (int)$da[1], (int)$da[2], (int)$da[3]
[22:32:22] <JeroenDeDauw>	 da da da
[22:32:24] <JeroenDeDauw>	 lol
[22:33:06] <codurr>	 03werdna * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111115> 10/trunk/extensions/ArticleCreationWorkflow/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Require that the user is in the correct bucket for redlink behaviour, kill debugging code
[22:33:12] <werdna>	 JeroenDeDauw: :D
[22:34:04] <Dantman>	 JeroenDeDauw: ?
[22:34:07] <Reedy>	 JeroenDeDauw: did you see https://www.destroyallsoftware.com/talks/wat ?
[22:34:23] <JeroenDeDauw>	 Dantman: it's in wfTimestamp
[22:34:29] <JeroenDeDauw>	 Reedy: yeah, it's awesome
[22:34:31] <Dantman>	 ah.. heh
[22:35:16] <RoanKattouw>	 Reedy: That is seriously the most awesome lightning talk ever made
[22:35:22] <werdna>	 I've not seen it yet
[22:35:28] <RoanKattouw>	 Do it. Now.
[22:35:52] <werdna>	 I'm at work!
[22:35:56] <Reedy>	 jfdi
[22:36:10] <chrismcmahon>	 jfdi++ it's funny, and useful 
[22:36:12] <wikibugs_>	 14(WFM) Bundle anti-spam extensions in distribution packages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/9034  +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[22:36:19] <Reedy>	 Cause nobody in the office ever watches videos at work
[22:36:47] <sumanah>	 do it in the new fun conference room
[22:36:51] <sumanah>	 the one with games and stuff
[22:36:53] <werdna>	 I'm awkward enough about watching videos, let alone at work
[22:36:57] <sumanah>	 I bet people will join you
[22:36:58] <werdna>	 and besides, I have nothing to do tonight
[22:37:02] <werdna>	 so I will watch it tonight
[22:37:05] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Bundle anti-spam extensions in distribution packages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/9034  (10Platonides)
[22:37:05] <RoanKattouw>	 OK
[22:37:08] <sumanah>	 werdna: awww, do you want ideas for SF stuff to do?
[22:37:08] <werdna>	 when I'm being a Sad Man in my hotel room :)
[22:37:21] <RoanKattouw>	 Then you can quit being sad for ... 4 minus
[22:37:23] <RoanKattouw>	 *minutes
[22:37:24] <sumanah>	 werdna: it's Thursday night, I bet there is fun comedy or theatre
[22:37:26] <werdna>	 exactly!
[22:37:28] <sumanah>	 at the Marsh on Valencia
[22:37:35] <RoanKattouw>	 (To be fair I didn't watch it at work either, I watched it in my hotel room over breakfast)
[22:37:38] <chrismcmahon>	 it's short too :)
[22:37:39] <werdna>	 sumanah: probably, maybe I could find somebody to go with
[22:37:47] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Drag and drop uploading - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/9133  +comment (10sam)
[22:38:03] <werdna>	 and of course the sketchfest is shut now
[22:38:43] <werdna>	 ooh arj barker is playing
[22:38:45] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Thumbnails of large PNGs are not generated - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/9497  major->normal (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[22:39:15] <sumanah>	 werdna: there's also always Noisebridge, I bet you could get hacker/lawyer Stephen Laporte from the 6th floor to go with you
[22:39:28] <sumanah>	 and/or raindrift or Aaron M.
[22:40:13] <chrismcmahon>	 sumanah: if you get a moment (not urgent) would you look over http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Mediawiki_1.19_Feature_Test_Charters ?  I ran down the 1.19 release notes and cherry-picked some features and bug fixes that I thought would be good for further investigation.  (and if there's someone more appropriate to look that over, let me know)
[22:40:24] <chrismcmahon>	 sumanah: bottom half of the page
[22:40:46] <werdna>	 raindrift is sick
[22:40:47] <sumanah>	 chrismcmahon: I can look, and I also think that you can ask TimStarling
[22:40:57] <chrismcmahon>	 sumanah: will do.
[22:42:07] <wikibugs_>	 03(FIXED) Increase size of ug_group in user_groups table - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/11057  +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[22:42:56] <codurr>	 03foxtrott * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111116> 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticFormsInputs/ (includes/SFI_MenuSelect.php libs/menuselect.js): bugfix (menuselect does not use links)
[22:43:06] <werdna>	 ah I made some plans with priyanka
[22:44:06] <sumanah>	 werdna: oh cool! say hi for me?
[22:44:11] <werdna>	 I shall
[22:45:12] <wikibugs_>	 14(WFM) Internet Explorer renders extra whitespace for external links that wrap lines in Monobook - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/12104  (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[22:45:50] <codurr>	 03jeroendedauw * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111117> 10/trunk/extensions/EducationProgram/ (3 files in 2 dirs): fix issue with date values
[22:46:05] <Joan>	 Hello.
[22:46:06] <Joan>	 I'm here.
[22:46:37] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Honour protection status in Special:Import - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/12653  (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[22:46:38] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) export should include page protection status - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34278  (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[22:49:29] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) OggHandler detects nonexistent Java in Safari for Windows - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/13422   +testme; +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[22:50:32] <sumanah>	 chrismcmahon: this seems generally reasonable to me but yeah, people who know more about gotchas for 1.19 should weigh in, like Tim.  My one question: how are you fitting in the question of gadgets?
[22:51:23] <sumanah>	 (also chrismcmahon, would you terribly mind using === headers === rather than allcaps?  allcaps are actually slightly less readable, from a UX perspective)
[22:51:33] <chrismcmahon>	 good question!  what exactly is the question of gadgets? 
[22:51:47] <chrismcmahon>	 sumanah: sure, this is very much a draft 
[22:52:23] <sumanah>	 chrismcmahon: (also, see your inbox, "i18n testing for 1.19 deployment")
[22:52:28] <chrismcmahon>	 sumanah: also I still need to say something about supported browsers in there. 
[22:52:42] <chrismcmahon>	 sumanah: yes, I sent Niklas a question on that. 
[22:52:46] <sumanah>	 chrismcmahon: (also "testing of gadgets for Wikimedia Commons" also in your inbox)
[22:52:56] <Reedy>	 sumanah: we could do with devising some sort of policy for closing some of these bugs that have been requested input, and after X time, we should be able to resolved invalid them or something...
[22:52:56] <chrismcmahon>	 looking at that... 
[22:53:11] <sumanah>	 Reedy: example?
[22:53:24] <Reedy>	 !b 14257
[22:53:24] <mw-bot>	 https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14257
[22:53:33] <Reedy>	 Max asked in Sept 2010 if it still occurs
[22:53:37] <sumanah>	 Reedy: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7750 is the one I was still looking at
[22:53:38] <Reedy>	 We've had no comment in 18 months
[22:54:03] <sumanah>	 Reedy: I think that is what the "cannot reproduce" resolution is for.
[22:54:19] <wikibugs_>	 14(WFM) php5 segfaults for refreshLinks.php and dumpHTML.php - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/14257  +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[22:54:30] <Reedy>	 there's quite a few more than should really be closed out too
[22:54:36] <wikibugs_>	 04(REOPENED) Upload to Commons from any Wikimedia website - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/1552  +comment (10Gregor Hagedorn)
[22:54:37] <sumanah>	 Reedy: sounds like bug triage time!
[22:54:42] <Reedy>	 indeed
[22:55:57] <sumanah>	 Reedy: so, let's say, every few months, let's look at bugs that have been open a really long time and haven't been touched in like 18 months, where the last thing that happened is us asking "can you still repro this?" and then we make a good faith effort to reproduce it, but if we can't, close WorksForMe, and say "hey, if you can still repro this on current trunk, please reopen"
[22:55:58] <wikibugs_>	 14(DUP) Upload to Commons from any Wikimedia website - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/1552  +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[22:55:59] <Reedy>	 sort of what I've been doing for a while ;)
[22:56:01] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Enable $wgAllowCopyUploads (upload by URL) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/20512  +comment (10sam)
[22:56:01] <sumanah>	 Reedy: sound good?
[22:56:13] <Reedy>	 That'd probably be the most sensible way of handling, yeah
[22:56:26] <sumanah>	 Reedy: ok, obviously this falls under MarkH's purview
[22:56:39] <Reedy>	 fine if they can, but for obvious reasons we can't chase around all these random bugs with a really narrow replication case :)
[22:56:46] <Joan>	 It's a lovely strategy: wait them out.
[22:56:54] <Joan>	 Someone takes the time to file a bug.
[22:56:58] <Joan>	 You wait five years.
[22:57:02] <Joan>	 Can't reproduce, resolved!
[22:57:02] <sumanah>	 Reedy: well, I think we should make a good faith effort to try to reproduce the bug
[22:57:42] <Reedy>	 Joan: if someone can reproduce it, fine
[22:57:58] <sumanah>	 Reedy: and eventually the "haven't been touched in" parameter for this activity would go down, if we can do it right and if Chris can get us a bug triage squad
[22:57:59] <Joan>	 Reedy: It'd help if the reporter were asked, y'know, within the same decade.
[22:58:02] <Reedy>	 But if you ask for input, and after 18 months no further responses, what else should we do
[22:58:23] <Reedy>	 sit and wait for eternity incase they do reproduce it?
[22:58:29] <Reedy>	 It's very simple to reopen a bug later if necessary
[22:58:32] <Joan>	 Reedy: The usual pattern is more like "bug filed, [five years pass], comment about reproducing, [close a few weeks later]".
[22:58:40] <sumanah>	 hexmode: mind if I just put it on your TODO to put together a recurring bug triage of this sort?  I'll describe it in the TODO, you don't have to wade through backscroll
[22:58:47] <Reedy>	 As I said, there's an example of no response in 18 months
[22:58:48] <Joan>	 Waiting 18 months seems fine, if not completely arbitrary.
[22:58:59] <Reedy>	 inded
[22:59:37] <Joan>	 How many people in here have the same e-mail address they had in 2005?
[22:59:53] <brion>	 me
[22:59:58] <Joan>	 And are actively checking it? :-)
[23:00:00] <brion>	 me
[23:00:08] <Reedy>	 heh
[23:00:15] <Joan>	 brion: Well, yeah, this sample is a bit skewed. ;-)
[23:00:19] <brion>	 :)
[23:00:20] <Dantman>	 lol
[23:00:21] <p858snake|l>	 I think I have a few from then actually
[23:00:30] <Reedy>	 What else should we do, facebook stalk them to find their current address? ;)
[23:00:36] <Joan>	 If necessary!
[23:00:57] <Joan>	 My point was mostly that responding to bugs sooner to filing would be more helpful than more policies and procedures.
[23:01:00] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Upload to Commons from any Wikimedia website - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/1552  +comment (10g.m.hagedorn)
[23:01:34] <codurr>	 03reedy * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111118> 10/trunk/extensions/CentralAuth/CentralAuthHooks.php: Bug 14447 - Can't log in without logging out
[23:01:50] <wikibugs_>	 03(FIXED) Can't log in without logging out - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/14447  +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[23:02:12] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) php5 segfaults for refreshLinks.php and dumpHTML.php - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/14257  +comment (10Sumana Harihareswara)
[23:03:14] <wikibugs_>	 03(FIXED) Upgrade to Ploticus 2.41 to fix non-conformant XHTML in EasyTimeline - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/14727  +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[23:04:50] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) ipblocks.ipb_address has inconsistent format - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34014  (10MZMcBride)
[23:05:21] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) groups longer than the 'ug_group'/'ufg_group' can be created - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/15285  summary (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[23:06:11] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Run "refreshLinks.php --dfn-only" on all wikis periodically - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/16112  +comment (10b)
[23:07:52] <Joan>	 Reedy: ufg_group?
[23:08:41] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Provide geolocation search in API - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/15955  +comment (10sam)
[23:08:42] <Reedy>	 user former group
[23:08:52] <Joan>	 Is that real?
[23:09:07] <Reedy>	 yup
[23:09:16] <sumanah>	 chrismcmahon: so, let's talk about gadgets testing and 1.19?
[23:10:00] <sumanah>	 hey chrismcmahon, go ahead & share your understanding here & ask questions
[23:10:01] <chrismcmahon>	 sumanah: sure. I reviewed those emails of Feb 6
[23:10:18] <codurr>	 03christian * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111119> 10/trunk/extensions/VisualEditor/ (cut-copy-paste.html cut-copy-paste.js): removing cut-copy-paste demo
[23:10:58] <sumanah>	 so, yes, chrismcmahon, as you said, gadgets are tough because they're maintained outside the regular code base and not subject to review etc. and it seems non-trivial when they stop working (at least for some subset of gadgets)
[23:11:43] <chrismcmahon>	 so Mark, Guillaume and Saibo may or may not have specific information about the current state of gadgets, at least on the Commons lab instance
[23:11:55] <sumanah>	 chrismcmahon: you may have seen the email from Roan today, 
[23:11:56] <Joan>	 http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki?view=revision&revision=90749
[23:12:02] <Joan>	 I like how that doesn't even mention that it added a database table.
[23:12:16] <Reedy>	 yeaah..
[23:12:32] <Joan>	 And the table will... never be accurate?
[23:13:15] <sumanah>	 chrismcmahon: yes, Mark, Guillaume, and Saibo are reasonable people to talk to about the status of this stuff, along with Krinkle 
[23:13:26] <chrismcmahon>	 sumanah: I don't see that I have anything from Roan since Feb 6
[23:13:40] <chrismcmahon>	 (maybe I'm missing it, looking...)
[23:14:01] <sumanah>	 chrismcmahon: this was on wikitech-l today
[23:14:15] <sumanah>	 chrismcmahon: Re: [Wikitech-l] MediaWiki 1.19, Resource Loader, Gadgets, and User Scripts
[23:14:28] <chrismcmahon>	 looking, thanks
[23:15:04] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) manualthumb broken? - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34194  +comment (10brion)
[23:15:08] <petan>	 hi sumanah
[23:15:13] <sumanah>	 hi petan
[23:15:55] <sumanah>	 chrismcmahon: basically, yes, Gadgets on Commons are a somewhat special case I think because (a) they have some unique ones and (b) gadgets form a larger part of the user experience there.  But I may be wrong.
[23:16:09] <sumanah>	 chrismcmahon: it's also a canary-in-the-coalmine situation, I believe.
[23:16:18] <morsik>	 hi
[23:16:22] <sumanah>	 hi morsik 
[23:16:29] <morsik>	 it's possible to force mediawiki to use lowercase usernames?
[23:16:32] <codurr>	 New code comment: MZMcBride; Adding a database table is really something that ought to be mentioned in a commit summary. \ I don't; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/90749#c30671>
[23:16:40] <sumanah>	 chrismcmahon: so, you know how to see all the gadgets that exist on a given site?
[23:16:46] <morsik>	 i wanna use 'morsik' instead of generated first-upper-case 'Morsik'
[23:16:55] <petan>	 there is ether re conf here http://etherpad.wikimedia.org/LabsIrcConf
[23:16:57] <petan>	 sumanah: ^
[23:17:02] <codurr>	 New code comment: Raindrift; I believe you can also keep a special page from being listed by subclassing UnlistedSpecialPage inst; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110634#c30672>
[23:17:02] <Joan>	 morsik: Nope, don't think so.
[23:17:06] <petan>	 if you think we should insert some topic
[23:17:21] <sumanah>	 petan: I need to leave in about 2 minutes, so, how about you email labs-l about it?
[23:17:26] <Joan>	 morsik: There's a configuration variable that can make page titles case sensitive, but it doesn't apply to user names.
[23:17:31] <petan>	 yes I will
[23:17:33] <chrismcmahon>	 sumanah: I believe I do, or can find out quickly, looking
[23:17:51] <sumanah>	 chrismcmahon: the pages on MediaWiki.org "Gadget kitchen" and its subpages may interest you in this matter
[23:18:19] <Joan>	 I guess you could try directly manipulating the database, but I imagine there are parts of the code that make silly assumptions about usernames.
[23:18:29] <Joan>	 For example, input forms.
[23:19:10] <wikibugs_>	 03(NEW) [SF] 2.4; Add new parser function #querylink - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34309 enhancement; MediaWiki extensions: SemanticForms; (jamesin.hongkong.1)
[23:19:12] <sumanah>	 chrismcmahon: so my first-pass suggestion: go to Commons, see what gadgets they have, do a sweep through Village Pump, talk to Saibo about what gadgets form a crucial part of the user experience, write a first-draft charter?
[23:19:52] <chrismcmahon>	 sumanah: sounds like a plan, I'll do that, try to get a handle on what's possible at least
[23:20:09] <sumanah>	 chrismcmahon: while also using the emails I forwarded you, and the wikitech-l conversation, as input on what gadgets are likely to have problems due to, I dunno, the addPortlet thing (although I think someone fixed that)
[23:21:20] <sumanah>	 chrismcmahon: and keep Guillaume & Mark informed?  maybe even inform wikitech-l of your plans if you feel up to it!
[23:21:43] <sumanah>	 ok, I gotta head off for a bit, probably back later
[23:22:43] <codurr>	 03reedy * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111120> 10/trunk/phase3/ (7 files in 6 dirs):
[23:22:43] <codurr>	 * (bug 32341) Add upload by URL domain limitation.
[23:22:43] <codurr>	 Essentially reverts r109741 live again
[23:22:43] <codurr>	 Which was r109562, r109564, r109570
[23:23:12] <wikibugs_>	 03(FIXED) Add upload by URL domain limitation - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/32341  +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[23:26:01] <codurr>	 03bsitu * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111121> 10/trunk/extensions/ArticleCreationWorkflow/ArticleCreationWorkflow.php: Roll back to 111060 since the dependancy is no longer needed
[23:26:12] <codurr>	 03asher * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111122> 10/branches/wmf/1.18wmf1/maintenance/ (5 files in 2 dirs): backport of wmf 1.19 schema migration
[23:26:47] <wikibugs_>	 03(NEW) Upgrading from version 18 (r107923) to version 19 (r111063) causes MySQL error. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34310 normal; MediaWiki: Database; (awikiuser)
[23:28:15] <AaronSchulz>	 Reedy: we are not doing the user groups change this round?
[23:28:23] <AaronSchulz>	 (schema change)
[23:28:51] <wikibugs_>	 03(WONTFIX) Support "lazy" image loading - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34023  +comment (10Brion Vibber)
[23:29:53] <Joan>	 I thought we encouraged lazing.
[23:30:25] <Reedy>	 AaronSchulz: aren't we?
[23:30:33] <Reedy>	 I've added all the tables
[23:30:39] <Reedy>	 the codes in there
[23:30:47] <AaronSchulz>	 I mean making the group field longer
[23:30:53] <Reedy>	 oh, i've done that already
[23:30:58] <AaronSchulz>	 I see
[23:31:06] <Reedy>	 small tables are small
[23:31:53] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Upgrading from version 1.18 (r107923) to version 1.19 (r111063) causes MySQL error - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34310  summary (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[23:33:21] <codurr>	 03reedy * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111123> 10/branches/REL1_19/phase3/includes/installer/MysqlUpdater.php: Die config table from 1.19
[23:33:38] <wikibugs_>	 03(FIXED) Upgrading from version 1.18 (r107923) to version 1.19 (r111063) causes MySQL error - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34310  +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[23:35:32] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Run "refreshLinks.php --dfn-only" on all wikis periodically - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/16112  +comment (10sam)
[23:37:45] <Joan>	 Reedy: RT uses "status" too?
[23:38:40] <Reedy>	 Open
[23:39:58] <Joan>	 Reedy: Don't be a stupid-ass. Be a smart-ass. :-)
[23:40:18] <Reedy>	 ;)
[23:40:45] <codurr>	 03jeroendedauw * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111124> 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/includes/SMW_Infolink.php: fix bug 34306
[23:40:49] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Cyrillic characters displayed incorrectly while editing sr.wiki in Google Chrome - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34055  +comment (10brion)
[23:41:05] <Reedy>	 Jees
[23:41:16] <Reedy>	 That bug 34310 is testing with our php/mysql packages...
[23:41:51] <wikibugs_>	 03(FIXED) SMW: Warning: array_merge(): Argument #2 is not an array - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34306  +comment (10Jeroen De Dauw)
[23:42:36] <codurr>	 03werdna * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111125> 10/branches/ArticleCreationWorkflow/phase3/resources/jquery/jquery.localize.js: jquery.localize(): Allow "raw" parameter to disable escaping.
[23:43:19] <codurr>	 03maxsem * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111126> 10/branches/REL1_19/phase3/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Follow-up r111006: nuke patch-config for Oracle and DB2
[23:43:23] <Joan>	 Reedy: And?
[23:43:37] <Reedy>	 Weird to see 3rd parties using it
[23:44:23] <Joan>	 Well, I imagine the packages were created and published with the intent that others would use them... ;-) 
[23:44:35] <Joan>	 Could be someone trying to fork!
[23:45:33] <codurr>	 03werdna * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111127> 10/trunk/extensions/ArticleCreationWorkflow/ (3 files in 2 dirs):
[23:45:34] <codurr>	 ArticleCreationWorkflow:
[23:45:34] <codurr>	 * Allow HTML in interstitial message again.
[23:45:34] <codurr>	 * Quit out of interstitials when you click outside them
[23:47:46] <Reedy>	 Joan: oh noes!
[23:48:03] <exco>	 I added a new domain to a mediawiki site but all I get is the url changes correctly but no content at all is displayed ... how to start debugging?
[23:48:29] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Avatar Magic Word - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34008  +comment (10brion)
[23:49:57] <Reedy>	 !debug
[23:49:58] <mw-bot>	 For information on debugging (including viewing errors), see http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:How_to_debug
[23:50:01] <Reedy>	 !500
[23:50:01] <mw-bot>	 the HTTP error code for an internal server error. It is rarely triggered by mediawiki itself and is more commonly a result of a faulty PHP setup or invalid or illegal options in htaccess. See Apache's error log for details.
[23:50:35] <exco>	 thanks, Reedy 
[23:50:55] <werdna>	 unless you're running liquidthreads :D
[23:50:57] * werdna  runs

[23:51:27] <Reedy>	 Waa?
[23:52:40] <wikibugs_>	 03(mod) Provide geolocation search in API - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/15955  +comment (10brion)
[23:52:48] <wikibugs_>	 03(NEW) [Rich Editor] link in a form appears in the wrong place under IE - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34311 normal; MediaWiki extensions: SemanticForms; (salquint)
[23:54:48] <exco>	 Reedy,  well that was exactly what I was looking for ;-)
[23:55:19] <exco>	 I now see - and to me that is really funny - that from one domain "Allowed memory size of 25165824 bytes exhausted" ... from the other domain the wiki works just fine
[23:56:00] <Reedy>	 different extensions?
[23:56:10] <Reedy>	 different size pages?
[23:56:53] <codurr>	 03tstarling * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111128> 10/trunk/phase3/includes/filerepo/backend/TempFSFile.php:
[23:56:53] <codurr>	 Fix for r106752: let TempFSFile deletions happen when the object goes out of
[23:56:53] <codurr>	 scope, as you would expect with this RAII pattern, rather than leaving it until
[23:56:53] <codurr>	 shutdown. PHP has lots of bugs in its shutdown process so doing the file delete
[23:56:53] <codurr>	 at scope destruction means it's more likely to happen.
[23:58:32] <codurr>	 New code comment: Raindrift; Andrew and I discussed how this creates a possible XSS vector, wherein the message is replaced with ; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111125#c30673>