[00:01:48] What is the point in having delete/protect/block/move/watch/patrol/userrights tokens when they're all identical to the edit token? [00:04:36] oh, patrol/userrights are different from edit. but the others? [00:06:02] New code comment: Wikinaut; (thanks. Re whitespaces: I need to use another editor); [00:14:32] New code comment: Wikinaut; (removal of unused variable: perfect. This parameter was a relict before I added $userName = $wgUse; [00:30:17] New code comment: Bawolff; Some comments: \ function efEtherpadLiteParser_Initialize( &$parser ) \ Doing the & in &$parser isn't ; [00:32:47] New code comment: Bawolff; Also two other things: \ Might be nicer to use wfAppendQuery() instead of constructing t; [00:42:39] Any one knows how to create a new bot? [00:43:05] !bot [00:43:05] A bot is an automatic process which interacts with MediaWiki as though it were a human editor and is designed to simplify repetitive actions too cumbersome to do manually. An overview of how to create a bot and a list of known frameworks can be found at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Creating_a_bot [00:44:47] New code comment: Platonides; Your use of an anonymous function in line 215 is PHP 5.3+ only (probably even more due to the use cl; [00:46:54] Hoe can you copy a bots source code? [00:47:34] *how [00:47:35] How can you edit a bots source code? [00:48:37] How can you edit a bots source code? [00:48:51] With a keyboard [00:49:09] No. [00:49:20] I meant, how can you copy a bots source code. [00:49:32] How can you copy a bots source code? [00:50:26] A bots source code is just file. Generally you have to download it, once you download it you can do whatever you want with it [00:50:30] the same way you'd copy any other digital file. [00:50:48] Where can I download a bots source file? [00:51:02] you might want to read the helpful link that was in the response above. [00:51:09] there'd be more than enough to download, had you. [00:51:14] There's probably over 10 000 bots in existence, the answer to that question varries with each one [00:51:24] ok [00:51:43] Link me to one bot in wikipedia. [00:51:55] you already were, above. [00:52:44] ok so lets use this bot; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:WP_1.0_bot [00:52:58] I got the source file down below. [00:53:03] But, can I download that. [00:53:04] ? [00:53:32] *But, how can I download that? [00:53:40] So let me get this straight. Did you actually just say: "I just downloaded the source, how can I download it?" [00:54:11] No. I got the source file down below the page but, I can't download it. [00:54:26] Source file: https://svn.toolserver.org/svnroot/p_enwp10/ [00:56:06] How can I download the source file into my computer, once I've got the link to it? [00:57:15] as mentioned above, every bot does it differently. [00:57:27] in this particular case, you've been pointed to an http svnroot. [00:57:38] so you have a few options. [00:57:46] ok [00:57:50] the least technical is to manually download each file using your browser's Save As function. [00:58:04] the middle technical is using an automated web crawler like wget to spider that directory. [00:58:18] the higher technical is to use svn to make a clone of the directory. [00:58:32] however, based on your questions, I would highly suggest you choose a different bot entirely. [00:58:39] ok [00:59:06] I'm trying to get a bot who can fix gramatical errors and check spelling. [00:59:29] however — and I'm trying to be kind — unless you have programming experience already, i highly doubt *any* bot will be easily usable by your. [00:59:45] by you* [01:00:37] Yes I don't have experience so it's going to be hard. [01:00:37] I just got into this thing. [01:02:56] sorry about disconnecting. [01:03:06] I'm really new to all this mediawiki thingy. [01:03:20] Tasmania: ok. so... to put it blunty: [01:03:27] I just got into this programming 2 weeks ago. [01:03:49] there are no "end-user" bots available for MediaWiki, where end-user is described as "a newb to MediaWiki and/or with no programming experience" [01:04:05] Morbus: So what suggestions do you have? [01:04:10] so, if you've just started programming, you first need to stop looking for "a bot" and instead look for "a bot in the language i just started learning" [01:04:56] because even if you find a bot that does exactly what you want it to do, you'll then have to learn how to download its interpreter, how to install it on your machine, how to download the bot, how to learn how to configure the bot, how to learn how to use the bot, all the while fighting installation errors of unsupported code or things that are just Not Right. [01:05:20] i.e., you'll have far less gray hairs if you just do install a *browser* plugin that checks for grammar and spelling and manually check the pages yourself ;) [01:06:47] Morbus: So I'm saving it. Do I save it as a web file? [01:07:02] New code comment: Jeroen De Dauw; This class is 5.3 dependent as described in the docs. You can get rid of the anon functions, but not; [01:07:52] no. [01:08:14] most programming language files are just plain text. [01:08:31] Tasmania: do you, uh, do you know what programming language these files are in? [01:08:37] if you don't, how do you know it's going to work on your computer? [01:12:31] I really need some help. [01:12:32] New code comment: Bawolff; I'm really not a fan of putting stuff in core that requires 5.3 until such a time as we have bumped ; [01:15:04] Tasmania: unfortunately, there's so much for you to learn that it is highly unlikely that someone in here would be able to take you that far. [01:15:17] you're asking to learn how to fly to the moon when you've yet to even make a paper airplane. [01:16:32] New code comment: Wikinaut; Thanks for your deep analysism, which I appreciate very much. \ As you might have noticed, I already ; [01:17:51] take me, for example. [01:18:03] i know nothing about hungary or dutch or hungarian or whatever crazy moon language is your Primary. [01:18:31] 03(mod) MediaWiki should follow redirects on css/js pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33973 (10Sam Reed (reedy)) [01:18:33] 03(mod) Create a new books namespace on he.wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34342 normal->15enhancement (10Sam Reed (reedy)) [01:18:34] but it'd be like me coming to you and saying "Sup! I don't know yer language, bub, but I'd like to write a book in it, and then speak the Books on Tape version myself. OoOh, can we start right now?" [01:19:02] and you'll just have to trust me when i say: i'm not really exageratting. [01:42:38] 03(NEW) provide more filter methods for special:contributions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34344 enhancement; MediaWiki: Special pages; (a.d.bergi) [01:44:02] New code comment: Jeroen De Dauw; I see your point. This would need clear docs that it requires 5.3 to avoid accidents. Then again, th; [01:50:55] 03(mod) Adding options to Special:ListUsers (hide permanent and temporary blocks) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33545 -need-review +reviewed; +comment (10Bawolff) [01:59:53] 03(mod) provide more filter methods for special:contributions so users can see list of pages they've edited that have been updated - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34344 summary; +comment (10Bawolff) [02:17:24] where can I edit my sidebar? MediaWiki:Sidebar looks ok, but changes won't show up [02:17:54] sven^: in general MediaWiki:Sidebar is the place [02:18:26] Did you disable interface messages by any chance (really super obscure option that's very unlikely, but only thing i could think of off the top of my head) [02:19:19] in LocalSettings.php? [02:20:00] I'm getting this error: Fatal error: Allowed memory size of 52428800 bytes exhausted (tried to allocate 71 bytes) in htdocs/includes/parser/CoreParserFunctions.php on line 67 [02:20:09] it's a clean install [02:20:25] is it possible that wiki needs so much memory or something is wrong? [02:20:45] btw, I'm trying to make translate extension work [02:21:28] Atlantic777: That error means MediaWiki needs more memory. you can adjust it in your php.ini config file [02:21:45] However, 52428800 seems quite a big limit to go running out of memory on... [02:30:18] bawolff: pfft, that is only 50gbs [02:31:21] oh, i missed a 0. I thought that was around 500 mb... [02:31:55] ok, so something went wrong :D [02:32:28] what could happen if I have one value for a variable in LocalSettings.php, and another value in some other file? [02:32:34] in example, true vs false [02:32:46] could that cause a dead loop and this mem leak? [02:38:19] Atlantic777: no. The last one seen will be the one that takes precedence [02:40:04] Atlantic777: do you have any of the php security tools installed? eg: Susphoin [02:40:16] they can restrict accessible memory [02:40:26] p858snake|l_: I think that we have that patch [02:40:51] Atlantic777: most likely cause of running out of memory, is trying to parse some super long thing with lots of 's that was taken from Wikipedia ;) [02:50:48] how can I check which caching method I can use? [02:53:11] 03(NEW) Cannot work delete - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34345 normal; MediaWiki extensions: Comments; (frombc7197) [02:55:32] New code comment: Bawolff; \ 
 \ The Html:rawElement was mentioned as a good way to sanitize here https://www.mediawiki.org/wi; 
[02:57:49] 	 you can use phpinfo() (make a file containing only 	 I still cannot edit the Sidebar. Any more tips?
[03:09:12] 	 sven^: Is your wiki public? if so can i have the url
[03:09:24] 	 no, it is not, sorry
[03:09:31] 	 03(mod) [[:+]] returns garbage - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/30669  +comment (10jmcclure)
[03:09:48] 	 are there any other requirements to use MediaWiki:Sidebar? Anything I need to adjust in the skins, or sth?
[03:10:18] 	 sven^: oh, some custom skins might not use MediaWiki:Sidebar (or actually even some of the uglier skins included with mediawiki don't use it)
[03:10:57] 	 Try viewing a page in either monobook or vector, to see if your changes take place there to narrow it down from a skin issue or a mediawiki:Sidebar issue
[03:12:41] 	 Can I use some caching method without apc?
[03:13:36] 	  xcache?
[03:13:56] 	 ok, a have that installed
[03:14:06] 	 whot to put in place of CACHE_ACCEL
[03:14:27] 	 I'm getting the following error when I try to download extensions from mediawiki's site: "Error from remote subversion client:Lock wait timeout."
[03:14:47] 	 New code comment: Bawolff; If we really aren't going to kill this now ( Why exactly is this not the time. Will it ever be the t; 
[03:15:18] 	 Atlantic777: CACHE_ACCEL includes both APC and xcache
[03:15:24] 	 right now I have vector, bawolff and nothing shows
[03:15:24] 	 oh, tnx
[03:15:46] 	 firespeaker: mediawiki's download extension thingy is crap, and breaks at regular intervals :(
[03:16:36] 	 sven^: by nothing you mean that the sidebar is still at the default (or by nothing you mean literally nothing - like bad thins happened and blank page)
[03:17:25] 	 bawolff: :(
[03:17:36] 	 firespeaker: Do you know how to use svn?
[03:17:42] 	 bawolff: do I ever
[03:17:46] 	 still the default. On Vector it is quite empty on other skin I just tested, there is loads of stuff, but not the stuff I put inMediaWiki:Sidebar
[03:17:52] 	 bawolff: yes :)
[03:18:03] 	 bawolff: all I need's a url (and login creds)
[03:18:06] 	 firespeaker: in the case just download directly from the svn repo. Which extension and what version
[03:18:14] 	 we have anonoymous svn access
[03:18:59] 	 I was trying to get ConfirmAccount for 1.18
[03:20:19] 	 firespeaker: http://svn.wikimedia.org/svnroot/mediawiki/branches/REL1_18/extensions/ConfirmAccount/
[03:21:22] 	 bawolff: thanks ;)
[03:21:43] 	 03(NEW) ExtensionDistributor is broken on mediawiki wiki (Lock wait timeout.) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34346 normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (bawolff+wn)
[03:26:18] 	 Could anyone kindly tell me what extensions I need to install to get my Mediawiki to have the same Print/Export menu available in the left hand sidebar that Wikipedia.org has?
[03:26:47] 	 I'm running Mediawiki 1.18.1 with the Vector theme....
[03:27:38] 	 jonmills: That's extension:Collection
[03:27:46] 	 !e Collections | jonmills 
[03:27:46] 	 jonmills: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Collections
[03:27:57] 	 aaaah!  thanks guys
[03:28:12] 	 have a great night
[03:45:01] 	 MW 1.18: Anyone familiar w/Semantic Mediawiki Forms?  I want to define the size of the output of an image I upload on the form.  Thanx
[03:45:29] 	 please tell me how can i check out what all on running projects in mediawiki.send me the URL
[03:51:00] 	 Ashwini: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Version
[03:51:23] 	 although i'm not sure if i actually understand your question correctly
[03:51:41] 	 OffGridOps: Another good place to try for smw stuff is #semantic-mediawiki
[03:51:47] 	 (The irc channel that is)
[03:54:27] 	  thanks appreciate your help
[03:58:35] 	 thank you i will head over there ;)
[04:05:24] 	 hey, mediawiki doesn't detect the php mysql driver, anyone know how to solve this?
[04:05:30] 	 (it's installed)
[04:31:03] 	 New code comment: RobLa-WMF; We deprecated this less than a year ago (in r88588). This commit is doing nothing other than breaki; 
[04:45:54] 	 03siebrand *  10/trunk/extensions/Translate/ (9 files in 4 dirs): (log message trimmed)
[04:45:54] 	 * Move hard coded styles in MessageWebImporter to CSS.
[04:45:54] 	 * Break long line.
[04:45:54] 	 * Bump version.
[04:45:54] 	 * Update an unanswered @todo.
[04:45:55] 	 * Add MessageGroups::getAllMessageGroups() as a replacement of MessageGroups::getGroups()
[04:45:56] 	 * Update MessageGroups::getAllMessageGroups() to reduce code duplication in export.php and sync-group.php. Added two optional parameters:
[05:17:38] 	 03(mod) Do not escape some entities used in pipe-separator in Special:Contributions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34321  (10whym)
[05:20:06] 	 03(NEW) Interwiki list needs to show quality symbols like desktop - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34347 normal; Wikimedia Mobile: android; (srik.lak)
[05:30:11] 	 03(FIXED) Create a mailing list for the Wikidata project proposal - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34338  +comment (10Philippe Beaudette)
[05:33:03] 	 03preilly *  10/trunk/extensions/ (MobileFrontend2/ MobileSkin/): change the name of MobileFrontend2 extension to MobileSkin
[05:33:16] 	 03amire80 *  10/trunk/extensions/Narayam/resources/ext.narayam.rules.hi.js: Cleaned up and added a few comments.
[05:35:36] 	 03amire80 *  10/trunk/extensions/Narayam/resources/ext.narayam.rules.pa.js: Cleaned up and removed unneeded characters.
[05:45:59] 	 03preilly *  10/trunk/extensions/MobileSkin/ (21 files in 4 dirs): rename extension to MobileSkin
[05:47:49] 	 03(NEW) Wikipedia Android app should offer a clear history thats contextual and triggered by the menu button - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34348 normal; Wikimedia Mobile: android; (tfinc)
[05:56:33] 	 03(NEW) Triage the "Gerrit bugs that matter" list on labs wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34349 normal; Wikimedia: Git/Gerrit; (robla)
[05:56:33] 	 03(mod) Migrate subversion to git (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/22596  (10Rob Lanphier)
[05:56:41] 	 03(mod) Triage the "Gerrit bugs that matter" list on labs wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34349  (10Rob Lanphier)
[05:57:17] 	 New code comment: Preilly; This extension has been renamed to MobileSkin in order to avoid any confusion with MobileFrontend.; 
[05:57:27] 	 03preilly *  10/trunk/extensions/MobileSkin/MobileSkin_Hooks.php: remove inappropriate language from comment
[06:05:06] 	 Does anyone happen to know how to link to the bottom of a page?
[06:06:02] 	 New code comment: MZMcBride; [[Extension:MobileSkin]] has existed since December 2008 and refers to a completely different extens; 
[06:10:32] 	 New code comment: Preilly; I looked in the subversion repository and didn't see anything named MobileSkin. What name do you sug; 
[06:10:55] 	 ashley: ping
[06:13:07] 	 New code comment: Peachey88; Where was the discussion to rename this to another name?, I see nothing on [[User talk:Johnduhart]] ; 
[06:14:47] 	 New code comment: Preilly; https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension_talk:MobileFrontend#Issues_with_MobileFrontend_and_possible; 
[06:19:02] 	 New code comment: MZMcBride; "MobileFrontend2"? \ Probably easiest to move the page at [[Extension:MobileSkin]] out of the way and; 
[06:28:27] 	 03(mod) Special:Mystyle and Special:Myscript - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/6908  +comment (10chughakshay16)
[06:40:17] 	 New code comment: Preilly; I'm just reverting this rename for now.; 
[06:43:17] 	 New code comment: Preilly; This change has been reverted for now.; 
[06:47:32] 	 New code comment: Wikinaut; Le me answer the uncritical question "what if someone embeds the same pad twice (ids must be unique); 
[06:50:47] 	 New code comment: Peachey88; 
+ 'url' => '//www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:EtherpadLite',
 \ Should be a direct HTTPS li; 
[06:53:23] 	 ashwini : https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Web_Development
[07:00:21] 	 03siebrand *  10/trunk/extensions/Translate/scripts/ (export.php sync-group.php): Fix fatal in r111272.
[07:03:39] 	 03siebrand *  10/trunk/extensions/Translate/ (MessageGroups.php scripts/export.php scripts/sync-group.php):
[07:03:39] 	 Follow-up r111272:
[07:03:39] 	 * don't call method statically.
[07:03:39] 	 * fix undefined variable.
[07:06:02] 	 New code comment: Wikinaut; Re: "Doing the & in &$parser isn't needed anymore as far as I am aware. (OTOH, it doesn't hurt anyth; 
[07:06:26] 	 03siebrand *  10/trunk/extensions/Translate/scripts/ (export.php sync-group.php): Follow-up r111279: It's a good idae to indicate a class here...
[07:07:17] 	 tux_: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Magic_words
[07:08:02] 	 New code comment: Wikinaut; // ==> https:// Are you really sure, I thought we have to use "//" ?; 
[07:08:50] 	 03amire80 *  10/trunk/phase3/skins/common/shared.css: Added Bhojpuri to the list of languages that have the line height fix.
[07:09:14] 	 03preilly *  10/trunk/extensions/ (MobileFrontend2/ MobileSkin/): revert r111273
[07:21:12] 	 03(mod) Special:Mystyle and Special:Myscript - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/6908  +comment (10chughakshay16)
[07:29:04] 	 03(mod) Special:Mystyle and Special:Myscript - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/6908  +comment (10akshay chugh)
[07:33:27] 	 03siebrand *  10/trunk/extensions/Translate/scripts/sync-group.php: Update command documentation.
[07:36:47] 	 New code comment: Peachey88; Yes, Brion went thought and changed them awhile ago, Because otherwise it's basically pointless (not; 
[07:42:10] 	 03wikinaut *  10/trunk/extensions/EtherpadLite/EtherpadLite.php: first follow-up r111263 . fixing issue 1 &, 2 empty, 4 'true', 7 (same padid=no problem), 8 fresh username, 10 parser tag hook return, 11 credits parserhook and a typo heigth height
[07:46:28] 	 03(mod) Implement a way for authorized users only to use Special:PasswordReset on other usernames - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/29135  +comment (10ashishmittal.mail)
[07:49:17] 	 New code comment: Wikinaut; oops, I forgot the convert the booleans to strings in the src attribute. Follows in next commit; 
[07:49:49] 	 tux_: there's an even easier way to resolve the bug you're working on: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Special_pages#SpecialPage-.3Eincluding.28.29
[07:50:51] 	 Hi
[07:52:33] 	 Is it just me, or http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:ExtensionDistributor is inaccessible?
[07:53:19] 	 sorry, it's ok now
[08:03:58] 	 03wikinaut *  10/trunk/extensions/EtherpadLite/EtherpadLite.php: follow-up r111284 r111263 . wfEtherpadLiteStringFromTestedBoolean now returns stringified checked input or default boolean
[08:13:09] 	 03wikinaut *  10/trunk/extensions/EtherpadLite/EtherpadLite.php:
[08:13:09] 	 there was a SVN post hook erro 8 glithc and revision 111285 disappeared
[08:13:09] 	 silently. recommitting follow-up to 111284 .
[08:13:09] 	 wfEtherpadLiteStringFromTestedBoolean filters string boolean if present, or the
[08:13:09] 	 default, and converts the boolean result to string boolean
[08:13:32] 	 New code comment: Siebrand; Hey Rob. Thanks for taking the time to so carefully review the changes I made in this revision. I ap; 
[08:13:47] 	 New code comment: Nikerabbit; 
 \ + if ( count( $groups ) ) { \ + // Get groups and add groups to array \ + foreach ( $groupIds; 
[08:26:02] 	 New code comment: Aaron Schulz; +1. Having it here may also confusing IDE's for classes with the same name.; 
[08:31:36] 	 siebrand: lemme know if you wanna go see how traffic is
[08:34:21] 	 Sagar: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/buglist.cgi?keywords=easy&list_id=87874
[08:41:53] 	 Anybody know why my InstantCommons files are suddenly red links?
[08:45:31] 	 03(mod) Make Special:Popularpages includable - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33160  +comment (10ashwini7security)
[08:48:18] 	 hmm interesting http://dot.kde.org/2012/02/05/kde-development-%E2%80%93-beginners-guide
[08:52:19] 	 04(REOPENED) Nicer design for pre elements in Vector - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/27047  +comment (10Daniel Friesen)
[09:13:59] 	 03wikinaut *  10/trunk/phase3/includes/specials/SpecialPasswordReset.php:
[09:13:59] 	 fix for bug 29135 - please carefully review as it touched the PasswordReset
[09:13:59] 	 behaviour. Aashish's fix only presets the PasswordReset username field with the
[09:13:59] 	 logged-in username. This is exactly what users want when they reset their own
[09:13:59] 	 password via mail. It is also needed by OpenID extension to allow OpenID-only
[09:14:00] 	 logged-in users to create a regular password for several purposes and security.
[09:14:28] 	 03(mod) Special:Mystyle and Special:Myscript - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/6908  +comment (10Sumana Harihareswara)
[09:15:07] 	 03(mod) Special:Mystyle and Special:Myscript - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/6908  +comment (10Sumana Harihareswara)
[09:17:48] 	 03(mod) Special:Mystyle and Special:Myscript - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/6908  -reviewed +need-review; +comment (10Sumana Harihareswara)
[09:17:53] 	 hi awjr 
[09:17:59] 	 hi sumanah
[09:18:51] 	 sumanah: did you know about http://dot.kde.org/2012/02/05/kde-development-%E2%80%93-beginners-guide
[09:19:02] 	 hi ashwini, suchakra, Sagar, Venusaur, etc.
[09:19:28] 	 Nikerabbit: oh, the FLOSSmanuals sprint.  Yes, I applied for that and got rejected
[09:19:52] 	 sumanah: I looked up how they do translation and got very disappointed
[09:19:54] 	 Nikerabbit: I didn't know about KDE's outcome specifically
[09:21:32] 	 Nikerabbit: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Wikinaut/Books/MediaWiki_Developer%27s_Guide could be a start btw
[09:21:43] 	 03(FIXED) Implement a way for authorized users only to use Special:PasswordReset on other usernames - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/29135  +comment (10T. Gries)
[09:21:51] 	 awjr: I am curious! how are things going?
[09:22:04] 	 sumanah: hi
[09:22:09] 	 hi Wikinaut 
[09:22:13] 	 sorry I haven't replied to your email yet
[09:22:14] 	 sumanah: very well, we're just about in the final hour of the hackathon before we do our showcase
[09:22:27] 	 sumanah: we can do so much more with translating
[09:22:30] 	 Regarding the MVL: I do not "insist" of having the MVL under my user pages
[09:22:32] 	 awjr: I'm glad.  I won't bother you too much then
[09:22:38] 	 :)
[09:22:40] 	 If you think they should move, pleeeese
[09:23:11] 	 understood, Wikinaut... I think varnent would be a good person to consult here
[09:23:28] 	 varnent and guillom 
[09:23:36] 	 sup?
[09:24:38] 	 Sumanah: and my question by mail regarding templates "This page is part of the MVL book ...." Do you like it ?
[09:24:51] 	 Can someone program a bot for me
[09:24:53] 	 ?
[09:25:05] 	 varnent: I would like to delegate this to you :D
[09:25:14] 	 Bot: fetch the books in MVL and tag all pages with a suited template
[09:25:25] 	 moving this from userspace to book namespace?
[09:25:31] 	 varnent: Wikinaut  (Thomas) is currently the maintainer of the MediaWiki Virtual Library
[09:25:41] 	 yay  :)
[09:25:41] 	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MVL
[09:25:54] 	 an effort to collect the important developers' stuff into an easy-to-print, etc. book
[09:26:01] * varnent  was browsing that sometime in the last few days
[09:26:08] 	 .. and to have always the copmplete view
[09:26:19] 	 I like it soo much
[09:26:25] 	 excellent!
[09:26:30] 	 varnent: a lot of Wikinaut's stuff is in his userspace, and he's wondering whether anyone would mind if we moved it somewhere more central
[09:26:32] 	 New code comment: Tbleher; At the very least there should be a list of all deprecated global variables, preferably in RELEASE-N; 
[09:26:44] 	 varnent: I think you are a good candidate to help decide this
[09:26:47] 	 I bet we could event take the PDF and convert it to ebooks for iPads and Kindles, but I digress
[09:26:50] 	 It's a wiki, we can always move it back
[09:27:11] 	 varnent: ooh, the Collection extension totally should do that, can you file an enhancement req in BZ?
[09:27:25] 	 (I just woke up and really need to do some reportwriting stuff)
[09:27:28] 	 nmudgal: hi!
[09:27:48] 	 sumanah: good idea - will do
[09:28:48] * varnent  pondering where to put books
[09:28:53] 	 03(mod) Implement a way for authorized users only to use Special:PasswordReset on other usernames - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/29135  +comment (10Aashish Mittal)
[09:28:58] 	 03(mod) Make Special:Popularpages includable - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33160   +need-review +patch; +comment (10Sumana Harihareswara)
[09:29:00] 	 awjr: if you pm me the names or emails of the people you're working with who have submitted patches, I can get those folks the ability to add keywords
[09:29:10] 	 kk
[09:30:08] 	 one part wonders if a namespace is a good idea - to mimic what's done on some of the WPs - but aside from that step - something in Manual: seems the most logical - although it looks like the RL book was put in Project: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Project:Books/ResourceLoader
[09:30:40] 	 there's an rl book?
[09:30:46] 	 sigh, there's always stuff I don't know
[09:30:46] 	 I've been wondering the same thing about hubs becoming portals to mimic that structure
[09:30:52] 	 varnent: I like the Manual: idea 
[09:31:10] 	 lol - I just stumbled upon it like yesterday while going through categories for some random reason
[09:31:31] 	 oh! - there was a books category in need of creation - so one thing led to another - and I was mentally categorizing the books  :)
[09:32:20] 	 03(mod) Implement a way for authorized users only to use Special:PasswordReset on other usernames - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/29135  +comment (10mail)
[09:32:22] 	 varnent: speaking of new categories: check out https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Category:Tutorials
[09:32:40] 	 hi Tim_Weyer!
[09:32:45] 	 sumanah: yeah - good call adding all those to it - and I like the new ones  :)
[09:32:55] 	 thanks varnent!
[09:33:01] 	 sumanah: wow, you are fast
[09:33:06] 	 hi
[09:33:12] 	 so if books is a new trend - I do wonder if books: namespace is a good idea - or if creating an area within Wikibooks is most appropriate
[09:33:36] 	 sumanah: I'll be there at Hackathon, but not at Wikimania
[09:33:36] 	 03(mod) Implement a way for authorized users only to use Special:PasswordReset on other usernames - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/29135  +comment (10mail)
[09:33:54] 	 varnent: that's another good idea!  Wikinaut what do you think of MVL living at Wikibooks?
[09:33:56] * varnent  images voice of guillom off in distance talking about putting books in proper wiki  :)
[09:34:00] 	 transclusionnnnnn
[09:34:04] 	 nono
[09:34:20] 	 not moving away. Then let it for the time being please
[09:34:31] 	 Let's discuss the Category issue
[09:34:37] 	 I proprose this:
[09:34:38] 	 Tim_Weyer: thank you for your update!  it will be good to meet you.
[09:35:02] 	 alternative would be mimicking this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Book_namespace
[09:35:32] 	 lol - but all those more complicated options aside - Manual: seems the most logical place  :)
[09:36:03] 	 a bot for tagging all pages which form part of one of the books with a Template and Category "This page is part of the book XYZ in the MediaWiki Virtual Library"
[09:36:48] 	 Not moving away from MediaWiki please
[09:37:00] 	 It is difficult with templates to cross-wiki link
[09:37:06] 	 well - that's fine - I don't think they need to go away from MW.org
[09:37:27] 	 I already had a bad and difficult experience with the MIG book https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MIG
[09:37:37] 	 I do like the idea of a namespace - but I think the bot solution is a good temporary solution that has practical applications even after a long-term solution is figured out
[09:37:43] 	 I mean the cross linking is difficult
[09:37:57] 	 namespace _within_ mediawiki.org is fine
[09:38:03] 	 but needs Admin work !
[09:38:03] 	 right
[09:38:07] 	 I am not Admin
[09:38:29] 	 not sure if the admins or sysops have access to mw.org's localsettings.php
[09:38:33] 	 sumanah: How much travel expenses could the WMDE reimburse me? As student I don't have much money.
[09:38:34] 	 I think it's just sysops
[09:38:51] 	 varnent: (leave it as it is. It works fine now)
[09:39:01] 	 pls. comment on my proposal 
[09:39:05] 	 above
[09:39:16] 	 a bot for tagging all pages which form part of one of the books with a Template and Category "This page is part of the book XYZ in the MediaWiki Virtual Library"
[09:39:22] 	 right - like I said - I think that's a good solution until a long-term solution is decided 
[09:39:23] 	 ^
[09:39:31] 	 Tim_Weyer: Nicole Ebber is the person to contact about that; I'm with the Wikimedia Foundation and she's with WMDE so she knows more about WMDE's travel subsidy budget
[09:39:37] 	 and it has long-term uses even when a solution on where they should be housed is decided
[09:39:44] 	 varnent: can you write a bot, or anyone else ?
[09:40:02] 	 this allows to have always the most up to date 
[09:40:07] 	 John_duhart is the person I go to for bots - but others around know them as well
[09:40:07] 	 hi bsitu and congrats on fixing the CategoryTree bug :-)
[09:40:24] 	 sumanah: Thanks. Will contact her now
[09:40:34] 	 wikinaut: adding a namespace is pretty simple - just a matter of the right file access  :)
[09:41:28] 	 Tim_Weyer: am I right in inferring that you have never been to a MediaWiki technical event before?
[09:42:49] 	 sumanah: Yes, you are right. Oh, and I have still to improve my English. Will be (almost) fluently in June.
[09:44:01] 	 Tim_Weyer: :-)  I am sure you won't be the worst English speaker at the Berlin hackathon
[09:44:15] 	 (since you're aiming to improve: "Will be (almost) fluent in June"
[09:44:40] 	 in this case "fluent" should be an adjective since it is modifying a noun (you)
[09:44:43] 	 )
[09:45:20] 	 or maybe it was modifying the noun "English"
[09:46:29] 	 Thanks! Corrections are pretty important if one learns a foreign language. I'm daily calling with people all over the world to improve my English (and teach them German). But it's still a problem on what I have to work.
[09:47:46] 	 johnduhart: ping
[09:48:55] 	 probably sleeping - I think EST (as I type this from EST to others in EST - lol)
[09:49:21] 	 Tim_Weyer: ("a problem I have to work on" or "a problem on which I have to work") :-)
[09:49:35] 	 Wikinaut: varnent: yeah, it's not even 5am here
[09:49:53] 	 Wikinaut: he's emailed wikitech-l recently so you can find his email address.
[09:50:37] 	 I prefer: a problem on which I have to work :D Some things I know and I forget to use them correctly.
[09:51:26] 	 Whatever, I'm working on it
[09:51:28] 	 :D
[09:52:12] 	 :D
[09:52:39] 	 ok, and please feel free to ask me to be more strict or less nitpicky in correcting your English!
[09:53:04] 	 sure, I would be glad if you correct my English
[09:53:10] 	 Tim_Weyer: ah you are coming to the hackathon? great
[09:53:18] 	 but it's not your job ^^
[09:54:55] 	 Nikerabbit: Yes, I will be there. Depite my English level
[09:56:00] 	 Tim_Weyer: don't worry, you should have seen me when I was going abroad first time alone
[10:00:01] * varnent  adding pondering of a Books namespace to task list
[10:00:25] 	 Nikerabbit: before the Berlin hackathon I'm aiming on creating another few entries for https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Category:Tutorials :-)    one in time for the git/gerrit changeover, on how to use it.  another, before we do the Lua template thing, on writing a template in Lua.  I'm trying to think of what else is needed
[10:02:04] 	 03(NEW) Output to ebook formats? - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34350 enhancement; MediaWiki extensions: Collection; (admin)
[10:02:33] 	 sumanah: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=34350
[10:02:38] 	 I seeee!
[10:02:53] 	 lol - oh yeah - that whole bot thingie  :)
[10:03:16] 	 btw varnent you may want to circulate https://codechix-wikipedia.eventbrite.com/ to your San Francisco/Bay Area pals
[10:03:31] 	 will do
[10:03:42] 	 ashwini: have you already put in your Wikimania scholarship application? https://wikimania2012.wikimedia.org/wiki/Scholarships
[10:04:22] 	 and varnent, any chance you'll be in Berlin with us in June?
[10:04:57] 	 probably not - it's pretty close to Netroots Nation  :(
[10:06:13] 	 plus I'd start to become a line item on the grant proposals requests budget as I'd really be at a loss to come up with a reason for clients to send me  :)
[10:06:15] 	 got it varnent 
[10:06:18] 	 ha!
[10:06:26] 	 although I may have some random Italy trip coming up in May - so who knows
[10:08:21] 	 03(ASSIGNED) Search box highlight - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/19935  (10Arthur Richards)
[10:10:33] 	 03(mod) Update key mapping in Narayam Gujarati transliteration - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34056  +comment (10Arnav Sonara)
[10:17:36] 	 awjr: tfinc: has any of the Pune event been recorded, as audio or as video+audio?
[10:19:49] 	 Hi, can I set the "bot-edit"-Flag using the index.php instead of api? maybe by setting somthing like wpBotedit=1 or wpBot=1 ('cause form says "wpMinoredit" api says "minor")?
[10:20:14] 	 Nikerabbit: so you mentioned the issue of translations in KDE.  have you already told Nightrose your thoughts?
[10:23:41] 	 I think Niklas meant the issue of translations in FLOSS manuals, rather than in KDE.
[10:24:13] 	 (also, hi, sumanah ! Are you at home? If so, shouldn't you still be in bed?)
[10:24:48] 	 hi guillom 
[10:24:57] 	 guillom: I woke early for no good reason. :/
[10:25:23] 	 so random template question - let's say you have two instances of the same template on one wikipage - if there any way for content from Instance A to influence the output of Instance B without having Instance B display as well?
[10:25:41] 	 hi, just a quick question about mediawiki internals: does mediawiki store deltas between revisions or the entire revision text?
[10:26:05] 	 sumanah, sorry to hear that. Me, I got frustrated with my new home server, so I decided to work over the week-end; I thought I might as well do something useful.
[10:26:25] 	 rfw: deltas.
[10:26:33] 	 !architecture
[10:26:43] 	 nope, bot is still down so I cannot even add it
[10:26:49] 	 Isn't it a mix of both?
[10:27:03] 	 rfw: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:MediaWiki_architecture has a good overview
[10:27:10] 	 e.g. the entire revision text for a rev, and then deltas for the next few dozen revisions, then rince & repeat?
[10:27:16] 	 rinse, too
[10:27:28] 	 DeusFigendi: varnent: might be mediawiki-l time.  https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Mailing_lists
[10:27:49] 	 03oren *  10/trunk/lucene-search-3/src/main/java/org/wikimedia/lsearch/ (5 files in 5 dirs): added Type in Generic Iterators
[10:27:51] 	 (to get your question answered)
[10:28:12] 	 o.0
[10:28:24] 	 DeusFigendi: what?
[10:28:29] 	 you mean we should ask there?
[10:28:40] 	 oh, i see
[10:28:49] 	 DeusFigendi: I suggest it because it seems like most of the developers who would otherwise answer you are asleep or doing other things
[10:29:03] 	 ah okay
[10:29:08] 	 thanks sumanah 
[10:29:27] 	 I just wasn't sure I understood right sumanah 'cause I'm no native speaker
[10:29:29] 	 sure!
[10:29:29] * varnent  imagined a mediawiki-l themed discoball appearing for its special "time"  :)
[10:29:31] 	 thanks ツ
[10:29:32] 	 DeusFigendi: oh, sorry
[10:29:40] 	 I should have been more explicit 
[10:29:50] 	 np
[10:30:05] 	 DeusFigendi: what region do you live in?
[10:30:06] 	 03oren *  10/trunk/lucene-search-3/src/main/java/org/wikimedia/lsearch/spell/ (CleanIndexImporter.java api/SpellCheckIndexer.java): added Type in Generic Iterators
[10:30:16] 	 Germany sumanah 
[10:30:22] 	 OrenDsk: btw did I already tell you about https://wikimania2012.wikimedia.org/wiki/Scholarships ?
[10:30:41] 	 DeusFigendi: oh, I'm going to be in Berlin in June, are you coming to the Wikimedia hackathon? https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Berlin_Hackathon_2012
[10:31:00] 	 erm, don't think so XD
[10:31:16] 	 DeusFigendi: you should join us!
[10:31:19] 	 but nice suggestion :D
[10:31:27] 	 guillom: any thoughts on where books should go on mw.org?  Project:  Manual:  a new Books:  something else altogether?  was a discussion about it earlier - a few large ones are in development on mw.org with logical reasons why moving them to wikibooks isn't practical at this point
[10:31:57] 	 okay I'll read the article sumanah and will see... if I have another good reason to travel to Berlin... Y not? 
[10:31:59] 	 varnent, either of those namespaces sounds good to me.
[10:32:04] 	 ok DeusFigendi! 
[10:32:31] 	 DeusFigendi: the week after it is Berlin Buzzwords. I hear that is a good conference
[10:32:43] 	 huh, from that architecture page it seems to suggest that all revisions are stored as some diff of the previous revision
[10:32:50] 	 that surely can't be the case can it
[10:32:53] 	 guillom: we were leaning towards Manual:
[10:33:16] 	 well - I was leaning and I perceived others as leaning as well :)
[10:34:23] 	 rfw: it can't -- the current page text I think is stored....where? darn it I knew this
[10:34:54] 	 rfw: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/How_to_become_a_MediaWiki_hacker/Workshop#Code_Tour has a little more detail?
[10:35:04] 	 ah cool, thanks
[10:35:21] 	 just wondering about how to implement an efficient revisioning system and mediawiki seems like a great place to start
[10:35:25] 	 on an unrelated note - the developers that programmed Twitter's follow button and Pinterest's Pin It button are off my holiday card list for good
[10:35:56] 	 rfw: well, wikis in general, and source control systems in general, right?  you've looked at git, Mercurial, etc?
[10:36:02] 	 sumanah: yep
[10:36:16] 	 rfw: I hear Perforce has very good performance, in terms of operations per second
[10:37:03] 	 sumanah: not exactly openly documented though
[10:37:43] 	 rfw: true :/
[10:38:25] 	 rfw: guillom here was the main author of that architecture document 
[10:38:33] 	 the overview of MediaWiki
[10:38:39] 	 ah, cool
[10:39:05] 	 rfw: as you might have seen at the top, it is a chapter in an upcoming book http://www.aosabook.org/en/index.html which you might like
[10:39:31] 	 oh yes, i've seen that book
[10:39:33] 	 sumanah: not in kde, flossmanuals
[10:39:52] 	 Nikerabbit: understood. Have you sent a note to Adam what's-his-name?
[10:40:10] 	 rfw: neat idea, right?  I am currently working through another of Greg Wilson's tomes
[10:40:15] 	 yep
[10:40:18] 	 http://www.aosabook.org/en/makingsoftware.html
[10:40:31] 	 only read the LLVM chapter though
[10:40:51] 	 rfw: gwicke here is working on the new MediaWiki parser and I bet he has Opinions on efficient revisioning systems :D
[10:41:06] 	 sumanah: awesome, thanks for being so helpful
[10:41:12] 	 even though my question isn't directly related to mediawiki
[10:41:35] * gwicke  reads the log..
[10:42:47] 	 rfw: are you looking to combine RCS with a wiki front-end?
[10:42:58] 	 gwicke: yeah, sorta
[10:43:17] 	 that is good fun
[10:43:43] 	 I know of existing wikis with storage in SVN, Mercurial and Git at least
[10:43:54] 	 wrote one with Mercurial backend myself
[10:43:57] 	 ah, cool
[10:43:58] 	 you're welcome, rfw :-)  hope you end up hanging around. We got events, tutorials, active and informative email lists, the whole kit and caboodle here
[10:44:45] 	 gwicke: though i'm not entirely sure if i want to use an RCS to store data
[10:44:51] 	 it seems like more hassle than it's worth
[10:45:09] 	 sumanah: i think i will :D
[10:45:42] 	 rfw: it is not actually that hard- Mercurial for example lets you use the internal storage as a library
[10:45:58] 	 you might be most interested, rfw, in https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitext-l and https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l  
[10:46:09] 	 MW by default does not use diff storage, but compresses old versions per page by concatenating and then compressing them
[10:46:36] 	 gwicke: I'm curious -- in the hg-backed system you made, is there a separate storage for things that aren't text, or do you just put them in hg as well?
[10:46:40] 	 images etc
[10:47:04] 	 sumanah: I put it all in HG
[10:47:09] 	 including the user interface ;)
[10:47:18] 	 (duh, I do not know why I said that MW stores deltas, blame my weird insomnia)
[10:48:06] 	 gwicke: well, that simplifies things :-)
[10:48:48] 	 sumanah: I did not read that code for a while, so I might well be mistaken
[10:48:50] 	 gwicke: i looked at hg but using the api seemed a bit gross
[10:49:08] 	 gwicke: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/How_to_become_a_MediaWiki_hacker/Workshop#Code_Tour may have some inaccuracies in it (especially since I think it is from notes I frantically etherpadded in July 2011) in case you want to correct any of it
[10:49:41] 	 rfw: I hooked directly into the revlog backend
[10:50:02] 	 it was really just prototyping for fun, so I might have cut some corners
[10:50:29] 	 but IIRC I did not have to hack-up mercurial itself
[10:50:30] 	 ah, the big scary "no guarantees that your code will be fine from release to release" message shied me from it
[10:50:45] 	 yeah- it is an internal interface
[10:51:08] 	 03oren *  10/trunk/lucene-search-3/src/main/java/org/wikimedia/lsearch/analyzers/AcronymFilter.java: replaced deprecated next() override to next(Token nextToken) with a reusable Token - which gives significant speed gains
[10:51:51] 	 sumanah: will check that page
[10:52:04] 	 i read about the git internals and it seemed a somewhat better idea to forgo using an RCS entirely and roll my own
[10:52:06] 	 which is why i'm here :)
[10:52:38] 	 thx gwicke 
[10:52:54] 	 a problem I saw was the default of globally atomic commits in an RCS, which is not really needed in a wiki
[10:53:32] 	 yeah, that was also something i was considering
[10:53:46] 	 it would be like using an rcs without using half the things an rcs is for
[10:54:45] 	 rfw: you might want to play with the existing RCS-backed wikis
[10:54:56] 	 the SVN one was called subwiki IIRC
[10:55:51] 	 ah, cool
[10:56:11] 	 rfw: I kind of moved away from code revision control backends towards versioned distributed storage
[10:56:27] 	 but never implemented any of that..
[10:56:36] 	 oh, like HBase?
[10:57:03] 	 a bit like HBase, but actually closer to scalaris
[10:57:35] 	 never heard of that; i'll go google it now
[10:58:25] 	 wrote a research proposal for that, but my uni profs were too busy (or lazy..) to actually forward that to the funding agency ;(
[10:58:34] 	 aw :(
[10:59:29] 	 huh, scalaris looks more like a DHT than anything
[10:59:39] 	 the focus was more on distributed STM with versioned storage in that project
[10:59:46] 	 yeah- it a DHT without the hashing
[10:59:51] 	 ah
[10:59:57] 	 their load balancing is quite primitive
[11:00:17] 	 and they simply use Paxos for transactions
[11:00:36] 	 even then you'd have to implement your own way represent revisions though
[11:00:45] 	 03(mod) Nicer design for pre elements in Vector - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/27047  +comment (10erwin)
[11:01:28] 	 rfw: yep- I wrote a versioned on-disk trie for some of that in my diploma thesis
[11:02:12] 	 ah
[11:02:16] 	 sumanah, hi, was away.
[11:02:25] 	 http://dev.wikidev.net/hg/trie/
[11:02:38] 	 no prob nmudgal, how is it going?
[11:02:58] 	 03(mod) Make Special:Popularpages includable - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33160  -need-review +reviewed; +comment (10Siebrand)
[11:02:59] 	 it is quite unfinished though
[11:03:22] 	 It's going good. going through with apis
[11:03:40] 	 tried some user scripts available.
[11:03:50] 	 i don't think i need something quite this complex
[11:04:03] 	 siebrand: yay patch review, thanks
[11:04:24] 	 nmudgal: anything in particular catching your interest?
[11:04:39] 	 (or if you found anything in our tutorials or docs that was very confusing, please let us know)
[11:05:33] 	 sumanah, is there any documentation related to theming etc?
[11:05:44] 	 nmudgal: skins? glad you asked!
[11:05:44] 	 rfw: there are quite a few versioned and distributed storage options available now, you might find one that already does what you want
[11:06:02] 	 sumanah, yeah skins.
[11:06:03] 	 nmudgal: Dantman is about to release some references/tutorial he has written on theming and skins
[11:06:23] 	 Okay.
[11:06:29] 	 gwicke: incorporating them into what i'm doing might be a bit complicated though
[11:06:34] 	 they tend to be very lax on consistency, but that is not much of a problem for wikis
[11:06:38] 	 nmudgal: I cannot wait till he does this :-) because right now he is the expert and I want to share that expertise.  https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/How_to_become_a_MediaWiki_hacker/Workshop#Skins as you can see is kind of tiny
[11:06:57] * nmudgal  checking 
[11:07:04] 	 gwicke: also i don't really need the distributed aspect
[11:07:16] 	 rfw: any of the versioned object storage backends might work for example
[11:07:24] 	 any video tutorials links of previous hackathons? sumanah 
[11:07:31] 	 you could use it locally initially
[11:07:38] 	 nmudgal: yes!
[11:07:43] 	 but still have the option to distribute if needed
[11:08:02] 	 consistency is something i worry about
[11:08:03] 	 Can you please point me to those? 
[11:08:09] 	 because it's not so much a wiki as a document storage service
[11:08:23] 	 nmudgal: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Wikimedia_Hackathon_San_Francisco_2012 has some, and if you look at https://wikimania2011.wikimedia.org/wiki/Schedule there are videos from previous events and 
[11:08:35] 	 nmudgal: (was writing a long line, just takes a moment)
[11:08:45] 	 :-) sumanah thanks
[11:08:45] 	 nmudgal: from previous events and some of those are HOWTOs
[11:09:00] 	 sumanah:  yes thaks
[11:09:08] 	 nmudgal: also, the API tutorial page, the Gadget Kitchen training page, and the mobile tutorial page all include links to their videos
[11:09:40] 	 nmudgal: I asked the Pune folks this weekend to do some recording but I don't know whether they got a chance :/
[11:09:41] 	 rfw: lax consistency only applies to the distributed / replicated use of these systems
[11:09:50] 	 yeah saw gadget kitchen san fransisco hackathan video
[11:10:03] 	 gwicke: oh, what am i thinking
[11:10:05] 	 if you use them only locally, then you would not have to worry about that
[11:10:06] 	 nmudgal: then why did you ask for "any video tutorials links"?  
[11:10:11] 	 (it's late)
[11:10:13] 	 nmudgal: perhaps you meant any MORE :-)
[11:10:42] 	 nmudgal: there are actually 2 gadget training videos because we happened to tape that session twice
[11:10:42] 	 from next time I would be careful about my wordings :-)
[11:11:49] 	 nmudgal: (I was confused because I thought, "has s/he not seen those included videos on those pages? I need to make them more prominent! bigger!")
[11:12:12] 	 I feel information is there but scattered, kinda.
[11:12:23] 	 nmudgal: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:200908261616-Roan_Kattouw-The_MediaWiki_Bot_API.ogg is audio only
[11:12:34] 	 nmudgal: tell me about the scattering. what should be where?
[11:13:04] 	 gwicke: do you have any that you would recommend me look at?
[11:13:43] 	 rfw: I am not really up to date as there is a lot of development in that area right now
[11:13:51] 	 ah :/
[11:13:52] 	 swift and cassandra come to mind
[11:14:12] 	 rfw: btw what region do you live in?
[11:14:16] 	 sumanah: new zealand
[11:14:31] 	 nmudgal: http://wikitech.wikimedia.org/view/Presentations is trying to be a hub for all our technical presentations
[11:14:32] 	 S3 and many other commercial services
[11:14:34] 	 I mean like if you go here https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki, the first thing that catches the eye is sidebar to search for any related information & there is no link for tutorials etc 
[11:14:39] 	 gwicke: oh, are you talking about document datastores?
[11:14:54] 	 nmudgal: hey varnent! you got a new collaborator and test user for your redesign of the mediawiki.org homepage
[11:14:58] 	 like cassandra/couchdb/mongodb
[11:15:13] 	 rfw: were you by any chance at LCA in January? we gave a talk.
[11:15:17] 	 Nikerabbit, are you still around?
[11:15:23] 	 sumanah: nope, first time here
[11:15:25] 	 rfw: document or object, should not really matter
[11:15:41] 	 but versioning would be important
[11:15:48] 	 gwicke: ah, in that case, i'm already planning on using mongodb but i still need a way to version things
[11:16:01] 	 k
[11:16:17] 	 another thing is I have to digg deep to find things, I suppose. Obvious things should be visible easily,isn't it?
[11:16:26] 	 nmudgal: do you suggest we modify the sidebar some or consider adding (in a clean way) more things like category links to the homepage?
[11:16:28] 	 nmudgal: well, that does not mean "scattered", just hard to discover.  "scattered" would mean there's no one place that collects it.  I think there is a nearly-good hub, it's just that it takes 2 or 3 clicks to get there
[11:16:57] 	 which kind of brings me full circle back to what's an efficient way to represent a revision without storing blobs for each one
[11:17:06] 	 nmudgal: I am not sure what you mean by "obvious" 
[11:17:32] 	 rfw: yep ;)
[11:17:39] 	 Nikerabbit, never mind, I was being stupid.
[11:17:51] 	 nmudgal: reducing the time it takes for any visitor to mediawiki.org to find the thing they want is a good goal
[11:18:15] 	 obvious like "this is the thing a new user will search for & it should be on homepage rather than 2-3 clicks away" 
[11:18:46] 	 nmudgal: did you find the hubs helpful / accessible?
[11:18:49] 	 nmudgal: the vast majority of visitors to mediawiki.org want to know how to *administer* MediaWiki, not how to hack it
[11:18:56] 	 rfw: I am a bit out of the loop in the versioned distributed storage landscape, but there are likely new projects available by now
[11:19:02] 	 03(NEW) Create Wikisource in Belorusian - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34351 normal; Wikimedia: Language setup; (millosh)
[11:19:19] 	 gwicke: none of them really have built-in versioning though
[11:19:33] 	 nmudgal: "Become a MediaWiki hacker" is "above the fold" (on the main part of the screen) on the front page, so that's something
[11:19:49] 	 rfw: some had an API to retrieve older versions of an object at least
[11:20:08] 	 gwicke: couchdb has MVCC but that's not really versioning
[11:20:22] 	 I am not yet actually in position to hack much still, so thinking like a dummy user just.
[11:20:23] 	 yeah
[11:20:31] 	 nmudgal: I'm a little frustrated because, you know, if this were easy, someone probably would have done it already. But serving different audiences with a single homepage is a classically hard problem
[11:20:41] 	 guillom: okay
[11:21:08] 	 Nikerabbit, I didn't understand was I wasn't seeing the list of languages at the top of a Translate page, but I had forgotten  :)
[11:21:13] 	 rfw: IIRC S3 had an API to get a list of older versions
[11:21:30] 	 there might be others similar to it by now
[11:21:40] 	 the amazon thing?
[11:22:02] 	 rfw: yes
[11:22:39] 	 no offence but see the compare the categorization with wordpress.org [I know it's wiki.]
[11:22:44] 	 gwicke: would rather have something i could run on my own server
[11:22:45] 	 varnent: thank you for working on the front page redesign.  I know the mediawiki.org front page is not good enough, and it's frustrating, but I also don't really know what to do.  Maybe you can partner with heather walls
[11:23:10] 	 I can help in designing sumanah 
[11:23:17] 	 rfw: the clones might have caught up by now
[11:23:22] 	 If you do partner with her, please don't let her turn the page into a CSS mess for the sake of prettiness.
[11:23:23] 	 sumanah: no problem - I agree - it needs something - lol - but what exactly is still a good question
[11:23:27] 	 rfw: at least some..
[11:23:34] 	 nmudgal: I know you don't mean offense and I'm sorry for getting defensive
[11:23:46] 	 03(mod) add support for Dzongkha / Tibetan script - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33718  +comment (10G Karunakar)
[11:23:57] * varnent  is going to get sleep soon
[11:24:18] 	 nmudgal: feel free to email / talk page me to chat more about the main page  :)
[11:24:18] 	 ok, varnent, I'll email you + nmudgal + heather, and guillom I will note that in a nice way :-)
[11:24:30] 	 lol - no prob - ty  :)
[11:24:41] 	 03(mod) add support for Dzongkha / Tibetan script - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33718  +comment (10karunakarg)
[11:24:44] 	 :-)
[11:24:48] 	 gwicke: i think using something like that is getting a bit ridiculous in terms of if i actually need all that
[11:25:48] 	 03(mod) Create Wikisource in Belarusian - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34351  summary (10Amir E. Aharoni)
[11:26:00] 	 realistically i just need a somewhat efficient way of having "infinite" revisions for a given text document
[11:26:02] 	 rfw: yeah, maybe
[11:26:46] 	 rfw: but in general I think it makes more sense to think distributed rather than building a highly optimized storage system that can only run on a single machine
[11:27:18] 	 gwicke: saying that, i still need to build the storage system :P
[11:27:50] 	 rfw: or use one that is close to what you need
[11:28:09] 	 gwicke: problem is that none of them are really
[11:28:14] 	 ttyl all
[11:28:29] 	 03(mod) Create Wikisource in Belarusian - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34351  (10Hydra)
[11:28:32] 	 03(mod) Wikis waiting for creation (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/16976  (10Hydra)
[11:28:40] 	 and i just need a way to implement versioning over a datastore
[11:28:50] 	 rfw: searching for 'swift versioning' returns at least some discussions
[11:29:14] 	 03(mod) Update key mapping in Narayam Gujarati transliteration - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34056  +comment (10dsvyas)
[11:31:08] 	 rfw: in general I would expect some open-source distributed object store to support versioning sometime this year
[11:31:44] 	 gwicke: i'm not sure if i'm willing to wait for it :(
[11:32:40] 	 rfw: understandable ;)
[11:32:43] 	 no recommendations for storing data versions in an existing non-versioned datastore like mongodb?
[11:32:53] 	 because i suppose that scales anyway
[11:33:15] 	 you can always map versions in some flat namespace
[11:33:43] 	 rfw: there is a swift backend for MW btw- we just started so serve thumbnails from it
[11:33:50] 	 ah
[11:34:31] 	 gwicke: i'm not really doing anything with MW though, just interested in how MW handles versioning
[11:35:09] 	 rfw: you could use the compressed concatenation trick in MongoDB
[11:35:34] 	 the repetition gives very good compression
[11:35:39] 	 ah
[11:36:13] 	 so i concatenate n revisions together, gzip it and store it in the database?
[11:36:20] 	 yep
[11:36:25] 	 What is the point in having delete/protect/block/move/watch tokens when they're all identical to the edit token?
[11:36:45] 	 is that slightly more performant than, say, walking a series of diffs and applying them to the base revision?
[11:37:07] 	 well, performant and/or efficient
[11:37:10] 	 03(mod) add support for Dzongkha / Tibetan script - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33718  +comment (10karunakarg)
[11:37:53] 	 rfw: depends a lot on how optimized the implementations are- and compression libraries tend to be quite well optimized
[11:38:34] 	 there were some benchmarks when we were considering how to reduce the space used for old revisions
[11:38:42] 	 ah
[11:38:43] 	 IIRC the differences were small
[11:38:51] 	 and gzipping just much easier
[11:39:28] 	 but the diff implementation in those benchmarks might not have been very highly optimized
[11:40:08] 	 so YMMV ;)
[11:40:16] 	 i'll take a look at how well that works i guess
[11:40:21] 	 as they say, individual results may vary
[11:40:25] 	 thanks for your time gwicke 
[11:40:53] 	 rfw: sure- and let us know what you find ;)
[11:41:22] 	 will do!
[11:44:30] 	 03(mod) add support for Dzongkha / Tibetan script - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33718  +comment (10karunakarg)
[11:47:16] 	 03(mod) add support for Dzongkha / Tibetan script - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33718  +comment (10karunakarg)
[11:48:47] 	 03(mod) URLs with semantic property of type URL comes out with http:////... - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34044  +comment (10mediawiki)
[11:49:00] 	 pune hackathon wraps up
[11:49:16] 	 everybody is clapping
[11:51:57] 	 hi vivekd 
[11:52:29] 	 ashwini: nmudgal vivekd awjr and so on: Chennai hackathon 17 Mar http://ur1.ca/82v84
[11:58:58] 	 03(mod) v1.6.1 - v1.7.1a2 SMW_conceptCache.php --delete fails - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/32589  +comment (10mediawiki)
[12:17:37] 	 Reedy, what is the point in having delete/protect/block/move/watch tokens when they're all identical to the edit token?
[12:18:54] 	 I believe that was for feature saftey, incase they are ever changed so they aren't the same token
[12:21:12] 	 03(NEW) SMW_conceptCache.php / parameter --concept fails / SMW 1.7.1 alpha3 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34352 normal; MediaWiki extensions: Semantic MediaWiki; (mediawiki)
[12:27:10] 	 hi Daniel_WMDE!
[12:27:28] 	 hi sumanah!
[12:38:12] 	 guillom: Whom should I be talking to at Wikimedia Italy?
[12:38:19] 	 guillom: Wikimedia Italy is investing in software development to improve Wikisource usability and accessibility for new users.
[12:49:41] 	 03(mod) interwiki "links to" / whatlinkshere - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/1886  +comment (10Sumana Harihareswara)
[12:51:01] 	 03(mod) Update key mapping in Narayam Gujarati transliteration - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34056  +comment (10dsvyas)
[12:53:07] 	 I think this [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Tutorial-QuickRC.js] needs to be modified a bit due to this bug http://bugs.jquery.com/ticket/10531 but don't have any perm to modify.
[12:54:38] 	 Hey.. Is it possible to hide columns in a table and make them clickable to expand them?
[13:00:32] 	 New code comment: MaxSem; Resetting to fixme, I'm not convinced that making some parts of the core require a different PHP ver; 
[13:31:43] 	 hey... I just inserted the MediaWiki:Common.js from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.js but still collapsable tables won't work. I refreshed and everything. Any ideas?
[13:35:02] 	 New code comment: Jeroen De Dauw; I don't see the harm done really. This is an utility included in core that needs a different version; 
[13:36:02] 	 New code comment: Jeroen De Dauw; http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2012-February/058062.html; 
[13:52:24] 	 03jeroendedauw *  10/trunk/phase3/includes/DBDataObject.php: use array_diff instead of self written equivalent
[13:58:26] 	 03jeroendedauw *  10/trunk/phase3/includes/DBDataObject.php: follow up to r111266, missed these :/
[13:58:32] 	 New code comment: ^demon; canHasField() should be renamed to a real verb phrase -- maybe canHaveField(); 
[13:59:51] 	 ^demon: :D I completely did not notice canHasField is invalid... I guess that happens when you use to much lolspeak :/
[14:00:22] 	 03oren *  10/trunk/lucene-search-3/src/ (2 files in 2 dirs): upgraded most deprecated apis, speed up and added some test cases
[14:00:32] 	 New code comment: IAlex; Please create a description page on this wiki for the new setting and link to it from [[Manual:Confi; 
[14:00:58] 	 !2.0
[14:01:18] 	 is the bot broken?
[14:01:21] 	 03(mod) provide more filter methods for special:contributions so users can see list of pages they've edited that have been updated - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34344  +comment (10Bergi)
[14:01:54] 	 !bot
[14:02:24] <^demon>	 mw-bot's been broken for a couple of days.
[14:02:32] 	 New code comment: IAlex; Please create a description page on this wiki for the new setting and link to it from [[Manual:Confi; 
[14:03:30] 	 when will it be back up?
[14:05:38] 	 03jeroendedauw *  10/trunk/extensions/EducationProgram/ (actions/EPEditAction.php includes/DBDataObject.php): rem databobject class and rename canHas to canHave
[14:06:01] 	 03jeroendedauw *  10/trunk/phase3/includes/DBDataObject.php: rename canHas to canHave
[14:06:47] 	 New code comment: Jeroen De Dauw; r111295 :); 
[14:07:24] 	  when will mw-bot be back?
[14:11:57] 	 @regsearch .
[14:12:10] 	 When toolserver is backup I guess?
[14:12:35] 	 Lcawte: is toolserver down?
[14:12:40] 	 I can connect to willow
[14:12:47] 	 Oh... hmm
[14:13:05] 	 and nightshade too
[14:13:12] 	 Well the bot went down the other day, and apparently toolserver did as well, don't know if thats still the case
[14:13:48] 	 so wm-bot is here now and what can it do?
[14:13:51] 	 only logging?
[14:20:03] 	 Can someone familiar with LinkHolderArray have a look at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111017 ?
[14:20:14] 	 brion: Tim-away ^^
[14:20:15] 	 03(mod) Date returned by query gets treated like string with respect to sorting in table - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/25768  +comment (10dan.bolser)
[14:24:26] 	 03jeroendedauw *  10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/RELEASE-NOTES: up rel notes
[14:28:11] 	 03(mod) Fatal error: Call to undefined method SMWDIError::getLatitude() - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31377  +comment (10dan.bolser)
[14:32:50] 	 03(NEW) Fix for RELEASE-NOTES-1.19: diff colors are no longer from French Wikipedia. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34353 normal; MediaWiki: Documentation; (erwin)
[14:38:54] 	 03ialex *  10/trunk/phase3/includes/Wiki.php: Revert r111168 (removed of $wgArticle) since it seems that this is too early for some people; also removed the comment stating the removal was due in 1.20 (might want to be merged in 1.19).
[14:40:02] 	 New code comment: IAlex; Reverted in r111297 and I'm also going to expand the documentation.; 
[14:44:32] 	 New code comment: Platonides; By the late static binding, do you mean anything else than the get_called_class()? That function can; 
[14:45:32] 	 03jeroendedauw *  10/trunk/extensions/Nuke/ (Nuke.i18n.php Nuke.php Nuke_body.php): Follow up to r108871; -m
[14:45:59] 	 when will toolserver be back up so i can query i with !10.0
[14:52:49] 	 pokeswap: Did you count how many times you have asked that in the past two hours?
[14:53:32] 	 New code comment: Platonides; I'm not convinced about this class. For one, why use $wgDBDataObjects if each object will need to ge; 
[14:59:12] 	 03jeroendedauw *  10/trunk/extensions/Nuke/ (COPYING INSTALL README RELEASE-NOTES): added rel notes, install, readme and copying
[15:03:24] 	 03jeroendedauw *  10/tags/extensions/Nuke/: Tag dir for Nuke
[15:03:41] 	 03jeroendedauw *  10/tags/extensions/Nuke/REL_1_1_4/: Tag for version 1.1.4.
[15:07:03] 	 Hi all, I have an odd issue I cant seem to resolve, I just migrated a mediawiki instance which I installed using the tar from the mw website to another server running ubuntu 11.04, I have it installed like bla.site.nl/subdir when I browse to the subdir all is fine, but when I go to bla.site.nl I get index.php as a plain file?
[15:07:10] 	 How can I resolve the latter?
[15:10:32] 	 New code comment: Jeroen De Dauw; Commit comment fail. Should be: Changed "n changes" links by "view changes" links, since the edit co; 
[15:11:32] 	 New code comment: ^demon; The uses of static:: are LSB. Although I remain convinced they're a hack to work around poor initial; 
[15:11:34] 	 I run apache2 btw
[15:14:12] 	 hi
[15:14:25] 	 a number of very important Special: pages on our wiki have suddenly gone blank
[15:14:32] 	 any clues as to what would cause this
[15:14:47] 	 for example, http://doomwiki.org/wiki/Special:RecentChanges
[15:17:41] 	  Special:NewPages, Special:RecentChangesLinked and Special:Contributions too
[15:19:17] 	 New code comment: Jeroen De Dauw; If you think this class falls in this 90%, please suggest how to get similar functionality without L; 
[15:20:17] 	 03(mod) Notify user by email when password changed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/26227  +comment (10Aashish Mittal)
[15:21:55] 	 03reedy *  10/trunk/phase3/includes/DBDataObject.php: Fixup documentation
[15:22:02] 	 New code comment: ^demon; I'm not sure what the utility of making so much of it static is. Why not instantiate classes and the; 
[15:22:05] 	 03ialex *  10/trunk/phase3/tests/phpunit/includes/TemplateCategoriesTest.php:
[15:22:06] 	 * Use WikiPage instead of Article to call doEdit()
[15:22:06] 	 * Use a local user object and pass it WikiPage::doEdit()
[15:22:06] 	 * User::$mRights is a flat array of permissions, not a 2-D array like $wgGroupPermissions
[15:24:32] 	 New code comment: ^demon; Unrelated to other comment threads, but definitely needs some unit tests if it's kept.; 
[15:26:17] 	 New code comment: Jeroen De Dauw; > It's easier to override both getDBTable() and getFieldPrefix() \ This is actually what it original; 
[15:27:17] 	 New code comment: Jeroen De Dauw; +1. I will write these if this can stay in core.; 
[15:29:47] 	 New code comment: Jeroen De Dauw; An instance represents a row. So if you want to do an operation on a table as a whole, it makes no s; 
[15:30:27] 	 Reedy: any particular reason to use bool rather then boolean in docs?
[15:33:17] 	 New code comment: Jeroen De Dauw; I'll have to correct myself there. The original reason for having $wgDBDataObjects is not gone. It's; 
[15:37:32] 	 03ialex *  10/trunk/phase3/includes/LinksUpdate.php: Fix exception's text: use __construct() instead of class name for constructor and WikiPage::doEditUpdates() instead of Article::editUpdates()
[15:51:28] 	 03jeroendedauw *  10/trunk/phase3/includes/DBDataObject.php: follow up to r111264 - get rid of wgDBDataObjects as per suggestion by Platonides
[15:51:51] 	 03jeroendedauw *  10/trunk/extensions/EducationProgram/ (9 files in 2 dirs): follow up to r111305
[15:52:11] 	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111277
[15:52:18] 	 you got to be kidding me.
[15:52:32] 	 New code comment: Jeroen De Dauw; Gone in r111305; 
[15:53:32] 	 New code comment: ^demon; Not necessarily more sane, just lazier. Instantiating classes to call a method is a basic tenet of O; 
[15:58:09] <^demon|away>	 JeroenDeDauw: Have you ever used Zend_Db_Table?
[15:58:49] <^demon|away>	 Your DBDataObject kind of reminds me of it.
[16:03:56] 	 03yaron *  10/trunk/extensions/SemanticDrilldown/specials/SD_BrowseData.php: Moved $wgOut->setPageTitle() to end of code, to avoid QueryPage overwriting of title that seems to have started occurring in MW 1.18
[16:09:17] 	 New code comment: Jeroen De Dauw; More complex? You have static methods instead of non-static ones. That's not more complex. \ What wo; 
[16:11:03] 	 03(mod) spurious #ask results with unknown namespace - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33177  +comment (10jmcclure)
[16:14:43] 	 03jeroendedauw *  10/trunk/extensions/EducationProgram/includes/EPInstructor.php: follow up to recent schema changes
[16:14:47] 	 New code comment: ^demon; No need for a singleton either, just instantiate it when you need it. \ Linker::link() is a utility f; 
[16:21:47] 	 New code comment: Jeroen De Dauw; So you would make the getDBTable, getFieldPrefix, getFieldTypes and similar methods non-static? And ; 
[16:26:38] 	 in 11
[16:26:40] 	 in 11
[16:26:58] 	 and that would be why it wasn't switching windows...
[16:31:57] 	 @Daniel_WMDE: Was hoping you might have time to check out the errors on your extension PPP.  I spoke w/u awhile back.  Thanx
[16:33:17] 	 New code comment: Platonides; What about making abstract those functions that are only throwing exceptions now?; 
[16:37:17] 	 New code comment: Jeroen De Dauw; You cannot make static methods abstract. Would have been nicer, but in the end it does not matter mu; 
[16:39:02] 	 New code comment: Platonides; I wasn't clear. I was refering to how you can load a subset, then if you need a non-loaded field, go; 
[16:46:02] 	 New code comment: Jeroen De Dauw; Yes, I agree, this should not happen. AFAIK this is not happening anywhere in the Education Program ; 
[16:48:09] 	 What could be the reason that my wiki images don't show up? I think I configured it right.
[16:48:24] 	 Only the image name is dispplayed.
[16:49:18] 	 qqqqq: is that wiki public?
[16:49:41] 	 liangent, no, intranet
[16:57:17] <[_White_]>	 Dear users, I am pleased to announce that there will be a support channel in spanish of MediaWiki
[16:57:33] <[_White_]>	 Which is: #mediawiki-es
[17:00:42] 	 hi
[17:01:27] 	 how do i find the the db name for the given wiki on toolserver? e.g. en.wikipedia.org = enwiki_p
[17:01:46] 	 i am trying to find the db name for mr.wikisource.org
[17:02:24] 	 mrwikisource
[17:02:46] 	 err, mrwikisource_p
[17:03:37] 	 03(NEW) change of extension group - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34354 trivial; MediaWiki extensions: ConfirmEdit (CAPTCHA extension); (mediawiki)
[17:04:21] 	 this is a question for #wikimedia-toolserver, BTW
[17:04:23] 	 MaxSem: thanks
[17:05:29] 	 What is the difference between wgUploadPath and wg UploadDirectory?
[17:05:53] 	 MaxSem: mr.wikisource.org was recently started
[17:06:13] 	 how do i get info regarding who is admin
[17:10:24] 	 qqqqq, the former is part of URL, the later is a file system path
[17:15:53] 	 how do i find the sysops in the given wiki?
[17:16:18] 	 03(NEW) add a variable and parser function for the namespace number - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34355 enhancement; MediaWiki: Parser; (umherirrender_de.wp)
[17:16:54] 	 any super-sysop around?
[17:18:16] 	 !seen sumanah
[17:18:19] 	 sumanah (~sumanah@mediawiki/sumanah) was last seen quitting from #mediawiki 4 hours, 28 minutes ago stating (Quit: Leaving).
[17:19:40] 	 shantanoo: Special:Listadmins
[17:21:10] 	 Sorry, I got kicked off. Did I miss an answer?
[17:22:36] 	 Joan: there is no bureaucrat currently on the mr.wikisource. only one sysop is there. how do i get get sysop?
[17:23:00] 	 as existing sysop can't give me sysop access...
[17:27:17] 	 New code comment: Hashar; In the long run, It would be ten time easier to reuses an existing ORM such as doctrine or propel (f; 
[17:31:59] 	 shantanoo, #wikimedia-stewards
[17:36:15] 	 03platonides *  10/trunk/phase3/includes/DBDataObject.php:
[17:36:15] 	 Convert rawSelect() into rawSelectRow()
[17:36:15] 	 Get rid of odd foreach().
[17:36:15] 	 The database select() is able to handle empty arrays.
[17:36:47] 	 New code comment: Jeroen De Dauw; > reuses an existing ORM such as doctrine or propel \ > it adds to our maintenance / code review queu; 
[17:37:38] 	 MaxSem, do you have an example?
[17:39:03] <[_White_]>	 (Second Announcement) Dear users, I am pleased to announce that there will be a support channel in spanish of MediaWiki, Channel: #mediawiki-es
[17:40:45] 	 ???
[17:41:01] 	 [_White_], um, stop spamming?
[17:41:17] <[_White_]>	 Sorry. :(
[17:41:59] <[_White_]>	 Because I told that to take effect channel usage, there must be developers in the channel
[17:44:22] 	 IMHO, this channel is a bad idea: here, all the developers are in one place and each of them can answer about things they know. in your channel, there will realistically be only Spanish-speaking people and many parts of MW lore will be left uncovered
[17:44:59] 	 you'd better assist people who can't speak English with communication in _this_ channel
[17:45:04] 	 once again, imho
[17:45:32] 	 New code comment: Platonides; I don't like getReadDb() / setReadDb(). I would have expected getReadDb() to return a DB object. And; 
[17:47:42] 	 03platonides *  10/trunk/phase3/includes/DBDataObject.php: Useless wrapping on an anonymous function. Follow-up r111264
[17:48:49] <[_White_]>	 MaxSem: In fact, we also know some features of MediaWiki, as well it was not necessary that developers are there, only to be informed of the new channel.
[17:49:39] <[_White_]>	 If there is something where we had no knowledge, then there if we could talk with a developer.
[17:50:17] <[_White_]>	 Anyway, I'm not the only one who has proposed the idea of ​​support in Spanish, of course it is my humble opinion.
[17:50:32] 	 New code comment: Jeroen De Dauw; What would you propose as alternative? \ These functions are needed to set the type of database used ; 
[17:54:01] 	 bonsoir
[17:54:27] 	 Hi
[17:54:50] 	 I need help with syntax on mediawiki
[17:54:51] 	 :)
[17:56:00] 	 How to put a brace in a link ?
[17:56:35] 	 ex : [[/hello/{world}]]
[17:56:50] 	 is it possible?
[17:56:55] 	 thanks :)
[17:57:17] 	 New code comment: Platonides; The anonymous function had a little difference, as it receives $object by value, and array_shift by ; 
[18:00:16] 	 mathdev, https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Links
[18:00:44] 	 quick question.
[18:01:16] 	 when new wiki is started, there are no sysops...even users are less
[18:01:25] 	 in that case how to get the sysop access?
[18:01:30] 	 shantanoo: Installation creates one user who is sysop.
[18:02:06] 	 tale: how to find out and get the access?
[18:02:24] 	 shantanoo: Have you already installed your wiki and do not now sysop password?
[18:02:24] 	 tale: concerned wiki is mr.wikisource.org
[18:02:35] 	 thanks MaxSem, but I already looked, but I have not answered
[18:02:55] 	 I know if it is possible ...
[18:03:45] 	 oh. mathdev, some characters are not valid in page titles and as such are not valid for link destinations
[18:04:20] 	 ok ok
[18:04:26] 	 thanks
[18:04:36] 	 bye :)
[18:05:48] 	 shantanoo: Have you tried page http://mr.wikisource.org/wiki/विशेष:सदस्यांची_यादी
[18:06:15] 	 shantanoo: Hmm, that turned out bad. Try page http://mr.wikisource.org/wiki/Special:ListUsers
[18:06:53] 	 tale: there is only one sysop. but sysop can't grant sysop access. bureaucrat can. but there is nobody right now.
[18:07:40] 	 shantanoo: I think you can grant bureocrat rights from command line or by modifying the database. Try to google for those.
[18:08:10] 	 tale: i don't have access to the database :)
[18:08:11] 	 tale, have you actually looked at his question?
[18:08:43] 	 he's obviously not an op on Wikimedia cluster
[18:09:25] 	 meh, too often I'm guilty of this myself:P
[18:09:32] 	 shantanoo: OK, if you have no access and know no passwords, all hope is lost. You gotta get someone who does have admin privileges on that wiki to help. No use asking here.
[18:10:35] 	 and I even explained where to ask;)
[18:11:26] 	 03jeroendedauw *  10/trunk/phase3/includes/DBDataObject.php: Follow up to r111309; fix if condition and style fix
[18:19:32] <[_White_]>	 Why this change - http://es.wikipedia.org?diff=52945150 - and the next they have done what they wanted, that is, allow to sort correctly using the numeric columns as the thousands separator ?
[18:31:38] 	 03(mod) Datatype quantity does not recognize comma - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/32661  +comment (10e.akerboom+bugzillamediawiki)
[18:47:27] 	 03mkroetzsch *  10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/includes/export/SMW_Exporter.php: fixed a glitch introduced yesterday that caused errors when exporting RDF for redirects
[18:49:32] 	 New code comment: Bawolff; Sorry, my original post here was kind of saying different things from what I intended to say. I took; 
[18:53:32] 	 New code comment: RobLa-WMF; Excellent, thanks iAlex!; 
[18:53:58] 	 03wikinaut *  10/trunk/extensions/EtherpadLite/EtherpadLite.php: follow-up r111286 . changed attribute names pad-id to id, pad-url to src. Using Sanitizer to sanitize width, height, id, src attributes when composing the iframe. The other boolean attributes are sanitized manually
[18:56:27] 	 03mkroetzsch *  10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/includes/storage/SMW_SparqlStore.php: check type before accessing method, since object can indeed lack this method in rare cases
[18:58:32] 	 03krinkle *  10/trunk/phase3/includes/Html.php:
[18:58:32] 	 [Html.php] Follow-up r110275, comment fixes.
[18:58:32] 	 * $options does not contain