[00:00:16] johnduhart & wikinaut: okay - so http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Template:MVL_book_page & http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Security [00:00:20] varnent: The MVL template really shouldn't have the language built in imo [00:00:39] * varnent stole that from the API template [00:00:43] I'm indifferent [00:00:49] varnent: not bad at all [00:01:04] like we say in Berlin: "nicht schlecht" (means: ok) [00:01:23] john@john-laptop:~$ df [00:01:23] bash: /bin/df: No such file or directory [00:01:25] uh oh. [00:01:48] hey, it is nice. You have linked it to the correct book (!) [00:01:55] please more [00:01:58] ... [00:02:07] .. [00:02:09] . [00:02:34] I'm going to be right back, my / drive disapearing is not good [00:02:44] (oh, that's the way I like it...) [00:03:22] johnduhart: drive ? Nutbush City Limits ! [00:03:36] (ok, this was a bad joke) [00:04:41] Back, yay SSD boot times [00:04:50] /action jealous [00:05:02] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Security [00:06:15] How's it on the bottom [00:06:33] varnent: this is _exactly_ what I wanted to have [00:06:48] which of the two did you more envision? [00:06:53] not too pushy [00:07:05] at the bottom [00:07:08] is okay [00:07:10] kk [00:07:17] not to bother the mass [00:08:18] varnent: this thing was also meant as a warning, indication like "pls. be careful with your edits, they have an impact to a book in the MVl" [00:08:39] I think, this is perfectly solved by your last proposal [00:08:49] ... perfect [00:09:00] Should we add something like that to the text? "As such, please take caution when making drastic changes." [00:09:35] no [00:09:40] people do not read [00:09:47] Hey, your logo is really NICE [00:09:56] own work ??? [00:09:57] ??? [00:10:01] logo? [00:10:11] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/File:MediaWiki-Virtual-Library-icon.svg [00:10:25] this is really great [00:10:36] basically a merger of File:Nuvola apps bookcase.svg (from the Nuvola set) and File:MediaWiki-notext.svg. [00:10:45] it is great [00:10:55] really [00:11:07] figured it could be used to help "brand" MVL [00:11:14] not too much colours, nice saying "a collection" [00:11:14] thanks :) [00:11:19] I want to hide the history, view source and discussion tabs for users who aren't logged in. I know I can do it with javascript in mediawiki:common.js but is there a way of hiding them that doesn't rely on javascript? [00:12:49] Wikinaut: it also matches https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:MediaWiki-sysadmins-icon.svg https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:MediaWiki-notext.svg https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Namespace_MediaWiki.svg https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:MediaWiki-extensions-icon.svg - helps build the overall MediaWiki brand [00:13:41] it matches, but yours is unique, plain, tiny. What I ever wanted. [00:13:54] thanx [00:13:58] no time and tools for doing this [00:14:28] Wikinaut: I'd personally like to see us move towards something like: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Mediawiki_logo_reworked_2.svg [00:14:52] BTW: tomorrow is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valentine%27s_Day [00:15:01] Do not forget... [00:15:51] Here in Berlin it's time so say "good bye", "Good night"... [00:16:09] bye bye [00:16:49] varnent: I'll get to work on the robot [00:16:56] johnduhart: lol - okay - so throwing that template on the bottom - ty :) [00:16:59] lol [00:17:44] night [00:18:34] ^demon, gimme me a poke when you've fixed the commit notes thing [00:22:10] <^demon|away> I'm redumping the whole repository. It's not going to be done, repacked and pushed tonight. [00:22:12] <^demon|away> Ask me tomorrow. [00:36:34] I have $wgGroupPermissions['*']['createaccount'] = false; in LocalSettings.php but anonymous users can still create accounts, why might that be? [00:37:11] 03(mod) Authentication support for Android app - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31458 +comment (10Ryan Bianchi) [00:39:25] houseplant: look at the page Special:usergrouprights on your wiki [00:39:50] MZMcBride: Yeah, I had the pleasure working with it back in august [00:41:08] johnduhart: :-) [00:41:20] bawfolff: on that page, it says that all can create new accounts and edit pages, but in LocalSettings I have set $wgGroupPermissions['*']['createaccount'] = false; and $wgGroupPermissions['*']['edit'] = false; [00:41:49] as taken from the FAQ [00:45:03] 03(mod) OpenID-only enabled account owners cannot set their password when the account lacks an e-mail address - which cannot be set up because they don't have a password (rat race condition) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34357 (10T. Gries) [00:47:31] houseplant: Generally that means you did something wrong when editing your LocalSettings.php [00:47:43] Did you put the settings at very bottom of the LocalSettings.php file [00:48:43] MZMcBride: I just ran a /whois on you, because I assumed you were imposter, using the same irc name as your wiki name! [00:48:55] Hah. [00:49:00] I'm doing a survey. [00:49:15] I'll only be under this nick temporarily, don't worry. ;-) [00:50:30] svn down? [00:51:01] http://svn.wikimedia.org/ is up. [00:52:12] bawolff: ah it's working properly now, thank you. My server was failing to overwrite correctly [00:53:22] 03(mod) IPv6 blocks don't work - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34362 +comment (10Aaron Schulz) [00:54:34] 03bawolff * 10/trunk/extensions/EtherpadLite/ (EtherpadLite.i18n.php EtherpadLite.php): follow-up r111424 - Simplify some of the security checks that were doing the same thing multiple times, give prettier error messages. [00:54:48] this is a silly question but I can't seem to find the answer: how do I delete an account? [00:55:07] Dantman: svn up seems to work too. [00:55:15] houseplant: You don't. :-) [00:55:16] It was just really slow [00:55:18] Not so silly question. [00:55:23] !deleteaccount [00:55:28] FFS. [00:55:53] !deleteaccount [00:55:54] Deleting users is very messy and not recommended, because this breaks referential integrity in the database (they appear in many different tables like users, edit histories, recentchanges, preferences, etc). A safe solution is to block the users, and possibly rename them with . You can also try [00:55:56] houseplant: ^ [00:56:07] thanks [00:56:18] I'll just set the password to something long and random :P [00:56:55] houseplant: if you just don't want someone to log in, you can block them [00:59:16] New code comment: Bawolff; My advice about wfAppendUrl may actual have been bad. wfAppendUrl uses urlencode, and EtherpadLite s; [01:00:53] bawolff: Blocks don't prevent logged in (unless you set some other setting). [01:00:56] logging * [01:01:09] $wgBlockDisablesAccount or something. [01:01:28] Which you already knew, but your statement was ambiguous! [01:01:29] Joan: oh right (duh). In my head i was thinking editing. [01:01:58] houseplant: Bleeeding-edge MediaWiki (maybe 1.18?) has a disable account feature. [01:02:06] I can't type. :-( [01:02:34] joan: thanks, but it was just a test account, I'll keep it [01:02:41] 03dantman * 10/trunk/extensions/OpenGraphMeta/OpenGraphMeta.php: Update the extension so that on the mainpage it outputs the sitename in og:title and omits the og:site_name. [01:02:44] I just assumed deleting would be standard, but I can see why it's not [01:04:31] New code comment: MZMcBride; Did you consider using [[MediaWiki:Pagetitle-view-mainpage]] for this? I would've thought it would b; [01:04:50] houseplant: It really ought to be possible... [01:04:59] I think there's an open bug about it somewhere. [01:05:05] I think I filed it. ;-) [01:06:54] what I'm trying to do is hide all the elements of the wiki from anonymous, logged out users but preserve them all for logged-in users [01:07:15] my plan is to hide the wiki stuff (like tabs, etc) with the default css [01:07:32] so logged in users can just use a different skin and still be able to edit and do everything else [01:08:51] houseplant: You know you can toggle the read persmission, right? [01:08:58] It's much easier than messing with CSS... [01:09:14] Joan, no I want anonymous users to be able to read articles [01:09:35] Oh. [01:09:38] but not edit them, log in, create accounts, or see any of the mechanisms for doing so [01:09:43] Then yeah, you want CSS. [01:09:52] but have all the logged in users be able to use the wiki [01:09:53] Funny choice using a wiki... [01:10:33] well it's just so great at so many other things ^_^ [01:11:53] [11:01] houseplant: Bleeeding-edge MediaWiki (maybe 1.18?) has a disable account feature. unless you mean the Blockdisableslogin switch [01:12:45] which only kills logging in, not emails or anything else [01:12:50] !500 [01:12:51] the HTTP error code for an internal server error. It is rarely triggered by mediawiki itself and is more commonly a result of a faulty PHP setup or invalid or illegal options in htaccess. See Apache's error log for details. [01:13:02] yeahy mwbot is back' [01:13:16] p858snake|l: There's a feature that Werdna added. [01:13:29] That actually disables the account. [01:13:37] Joan: that was ripped out, pretty quickly and put back to the extension [01:14:04] Oh. [01:14:07] Gay. [01:14:25] I think it was just reverted [01:14:27] Wasn't it? [01:14:33] * Reedy shrugs [01:14:43] Reedy: It was moved back to Extension:DisableAccount [01:14:52] meh [01:14:54] (its even enabled on the cluster for the private wikis) [01:15:19] it disables a account and can't be fixed without playing with the db, which is why it was removed from core [01:23:31] New code comment: Johnduhart; It's actually [http://code.google.com/p/jsdoc-toolkit/wiki/TagReturns @returns], but I'm not sure ho; [01:26:48] Hi [01:26:53] i have a peovlem [01:26:57] problem* [01:27:18] My wiki css is not good [01:27:27] and i dont know how to fix it [01:27:57] Could someone help me [01:29:23] ? [01:29:32] New code comment: Bawolff; Notice: Undefined offset: 1 in /var/www/w/phase3/includes/specials/SpecialRecentchanges.p; [01:30:09] http://iamthewalruswiki.com/index.php?title=Main_Page my wiki header is lifted of its page [01:30:12] how do i fix that [01:31:12] * johnduhart looks [01:31:50] :/ [01:32:07] Joe\ - you could always just switch to Vector. :) http://iamthewalruswiki.com/index.php?title=Main_Page&useskin=vector [01:32:32] I like monobook [01:32:53] Joe\: You haven't made any changes to the css have you? [01:32:56] no [01:33:05] someone told me how to fix it but i forgot [01:33:42] Okay so it's a problem with the main page http://iamthewalruswiki.com/index.php?title=Keith_Sr. [01:33:58] what? [01:34:07] yea it is [01:34:14] someone told me how to fix it but i forget [01:34:52] I had to add something to the css but i forgot the code [01:34:56] Joe\: You have one too many s [01:35:04] varnent: ping? [01:35:21] jorm: pong [01:35:33] did you change the site logo for mw.org? [01:35:40] no - just for one page [01:35:48] or - it should just appear for one page :/ [01:35:50] Johnduhart: i fixed it once [01:35:59] okay. weird. it shows up in the corner, too. [01:36:06] we really can't change the logo there. [01:36:06] its a code that i put in to the css [01:36:22] should have just shown up on that sandbox page - odd - will remove it :) [01:36:31] that was a community decision made eons ago, and it will be A Thing if we just do it. [01:36:42] jorm: right - was just for a demo :) [01:36:43] i keep wanting to find a high-res version of the photograph and rebuild it. [01:36:50] Ahah... [01:36:56] erik made it a zillion years ago. [01:37:05] Jorm's input box styles finally hit me [01:37:10] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/File:InterlanguageLinks-AddLink-Modal.png [01:37:34] { background-color: #F7F6F6; border: 1px solid #7E7E7E; box-shadow: 2px 2px 4px 0 #AAAAAA inset; height: 1.75em; } [01:37:57] jorm: strange it showed up - .page-Requests_for_comment_MediaWiki_org_Main_Page_tweaks_Sandbox div#p-logo a [01:38:04] hah1 [01:38:11] dantman, i've modified the style a bit since then. [01:38:14] so no shadow on the left. [01:38:36] a 45 degree sun direction was causing too many problems in other places, so i moved to a 90 degree one. [01:38:38] jorm: it would be handy to have a nicer SVG of the current logo - and I wouldn't object to a font lift :) [01:38:42] how do i fix my wiki [01:38:47] http://iamthewalruswiki.com/index.php?title=Main_Page [01:38:56] varnet: i'd love to do one. [01:39:02] have to get the photo, though. [01:39:03] Joe\: I'm looking for the problem be paitient. [01:39:09] Sorry. [01:39:14] there is an SVG of the current logo [01:39:32] jsyk [01:39:34] heatherw: yeah - could be better - imho [01:40:18] jorm: I'm pretty indifferent to this one actually - but I do feel it has a more modern look - mostly the font and cleaner svg - https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/File:Mediawiki_logo_reworked_2.svg [01:41:01] New code comment: Bawolff; Also, after this revision, the tag filter <input> box has dissapeared...; [01:41:28] <^demon|away> varnent: The flower looks too fake in that version. [01:41:33] blech... bad letter spacing, tasteless font, and the sunflower seams a little too plain [01:41:36] hi ^demon|away [01:41:41] Its just i really want http://iamthewalruswiki.com/index.php?title=Main_Page fixed [01:41:42] ^demon: agreed - but cleaner :) [01:41:52] <^demon|away> I don't like it :\ [01:41:56] <^demon|away> Anyway, dinner. [01:42:48] Damn... I can only waste about another quarter hour [01:42:49] I'm not pushing for it or anything - lol - but I think it's an example of how the MW logo could be made more "modern" looking without radical changes - other revisions I saw were more extreme (so to speak) :) [01:43:02] our logos are so difficult to deal with. [01:43:09] with the exception of the foundation logo. [01:43:17] agreed [01:43:47] and the W. [01:43:50] that one is good. [01:44:44] Wikibooks and Wikiquote are easy to use and functional [01:44:57] i like wikisource, too. [01:45:28] tip of the iceberg? [01:45:54] not sure it conveys as quickly what the project is - wikibooks and wikiquote - and wikiversity now that I look at them convey that quickly [01:46:13] wikispecies does too to some extent - but the shadows can be problematic when small - like on the WMF homepage [01:46:15] wikiversity bugs me because of the whole perspective thing. [01:46:27] fair enough [01:46:38] Commons is functional - lol - but I still don't really know what it means [01:48:32] but I think my problem with MW - is of all of them - it awkwardly stands out by having a more photo and less vector look - http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikimedia_logo_family_complete.svg (again - imho) [01:48:43] Joe\: Did you just delete it? [01:48:55] no i was doing shorturls [01:48:56] sorry [01:49:00] i will change it back [01:49:30] varnent: check out http://wiki.blender.org/ [01:49:34] ^demon|away: yo [01:49:39] i LOVE the wikisource logo [01:49:55] sumanah: oooooh [01:49:55] varnent: http://wiki.blender.org/index.php/Meta:Upgrades/2011 talks about their new skin. [01:50:01] Fixed [01:50:05] johnduhart: YEAH. [01:50:07] do u think u know what the problem [01:50:17] ^demon|away: did you get my note regarding jenkins [01:50:34] they made a video about their skin http://wiki.blender.org/index.php/Meta:Skins/Naiad [01:51:41] sumanah: visually I really like it [01:51:46] Does anyone know whats wrong with this http://iamthewalruswiki.com/index.php?title=Main_Page [01:52:05] sumanah: I wonder if they hacked the core a ton to make it work - and if they'll ever share any of this [01:52:16] they're running MW1.16 - which makes me think they're hacking [01:52:31] * varnent needs to make an anti-core hacking user box :) [01:52:45] varnent: funny you should ask! [01:52:47] sumanah: very clean though [01:52:57] varnent: look in the IRC logs for #mediawiki for about....12 hours ago? [01:53:05] varnent: one of 'em came in here and got excited about sharing it. [01:53:11] excellent! [01:53:17] Luca. [01:53:18] let me know if I can help [01:53:23] Sure! [01:53:30] I'd love to steal it for some other wikis - if it's not core hacked [01:53:31] Evidently it [01:53:37] it's all in their public SVN. [01:53:54] Joe\: Your URLs are broken [01:54:00] http://iamthewalruswiki.com/index.php?title=Main_Page&action=edit [01:57:31] johnduhart: http://iamthewalruswiki.com/wiki/Main_Page [01:58:48] Lcawte: http://www.engineyard.com/blog/2012/phpuk-unconference-info/ [01:58:53] johnduhart: http://iamthewalruswiki.com/wiki/Main_Page i just need that fixed [01:59:04] Joe\: I know I know [01:59:56] Lcawte: could you go to http://www.engineyard.com/blog/2012/phpuk-unconference-info/ and talk about MediaWiki? [02:04:43] Joe\: Fixed it [02:04:59] Joe\: The image of the week block needs to be redone since the HTML in it was invalid [02:05:12] logo doesnt work. [02:05:40] you know what you should do that will fix all your problems? [02:05:44] listen to led zeppelin. [02:06:07] now, it might not actually *fix* your problems. But you'll be feeling the "rocking out" rather than the "frustration" [02:06:14] jorm: lol [02:06:24] Joe\: Because wiki.PNG isn't a valid path [02:07:10] jorm: randomly enough - I was just thinking how interesting it would be to have a Internet radio station that this group controls to listen to during mw work time :) [02:07:45] varnent: No one would want to listen to a 24/7 stream of "Never gonna give you up" [02:07:53] lol [02:08:37] :) [02:08:46] New code comment: Dantman; I dunno. Those pagetitles are geared towards the unstructured element and can have some pret; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111438#c30932> [02:10:32] <varnent> johnduhart: http://s3.amazonaws.com/data.tumblr.com/tumblr_lzb6yclvmw1r9y622o1_1280.png [02:11:11] <johnduhart> varnent: http://i.imgur.com/qeI8l.jpg [02:11:40] <varnent> lol [02:11:45] <varnent> I love the "What I think I do" [02:13:12] <faceface> love mediawiki? [02:13:12] <jorm> varnet: i once wrote a listener controller radio station. [02:13:18] <jorm> many years ago. [02:13:21] <jorm> called "Seraphim" [02:13:22] <faceface> (its valentines isn't it?) [02:13:29] <faceface> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:MediaWiki-love-icon.svg [02:13:33] <Dantman> Isn't that tomorrow? [02:13:38] <faceface> needs some work... [02:13:43] <jorm> and it had a feature to prevent things like rickrolling people. [02:13:47] <faceface> Dantman: unless tommorw is today [02:13:53] <faceface> I should sleep [02:14:00] <jorm> enough votes and a song got crushed. admins could blacklist songs. [02:14:10] <heatherw> that sure is a giant shiny heart symbol [02:14:16] <Dantman> "Tomorrow is never today, for tomorrow is defined as yesterday." [02:14:22] <faceface> between mw braces [02:14:26] <jorm> psht. lies. no one love mediawiki. [02:14:28] <faceface> heatherw: don't forget the braces [02:14:37] <faceface> jorm: pshaw! [02:14:46] <faceface> get with the love vibe! [02:14:48] <heatherw> THE BRACES! you will rue this day ... [02:15:01] <varnent> jorm: see - we have the makings of a radio sensation here.. :) how is Athena coming along btw? [02:15:12] <faceface> I made a sightly better versh... I may as well update [02:15:27] <jorm> athena is coming along. [02:15:29] * Dantman needs to fix maintenacne/dev/ [02:15:32] <jorm> but we'll launch Glaucus first. [02:15:41] <faceface> where is the update link? [02:15:41] <Dantman> One of these days... [02:15:55] <Dantman> ...or I could ignore that issue I suppose [02:15:56] <jorm> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Glaucus [02:16:41] <varnent> mobile will be a nice step - and a needed one - but I long for the overhaul of Athena [02:16:42] * faceface logs in [02:17:00] <jorm> i think athena will need some volunteer love. [02:17:08] <jorm> i have changes that need to be made. [02:17:26] <jorm> the designs were never intended to be final. they were supposed to be more like a kick in the ass. [02:17:35] <jorm> "Let's break our paradigm that's based on monobook." [02:17:45] <varnent> I showed it to a couple of our advisors - and I almost regretted it right away - because now they're like "so..that design.." [02:18:06] <jorm> hah. [02:18:27] * varnent made the same mistake with visual editor [02:18:41] <jorm> yeah. both of those projects are easily a year out. [02:18:52] <varnent> <sigh /> [02:18:58] <jorm> i should just bite the bullet and code it in my spare time. [02:19:00] <faceface> where is commons? [02:19:01] <mw-phab> No symbol 'commons' found anywhere. [02:19:05] <jorm> you know. the copious amounts i have. [02:19:10] <jorm> commons.wikimedia.org [02:19:32] <faceface> #commons-wikimedia ? [02:20:06] <Dantman> I finally came up with the perfect solution for addMeta [02:20:14] <jorm> #wikimedia-commons [02:20:23] <faceface> updated to a new version but it isnt' showing ... cached I guess. [02:20:27] <faceface> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:MediaWiki-love-icon.svg [02:20:34] <jorm> be warned. it's a hive of scum and villiany. [02:20:39] <faceface> jorm: ty [02:20:47] <jorm> it's still cropped on the top for me. did you fix that? [02:21:31] <jorm> that's gonna get chopped if you don't set up it's copyright status. [02:21:41] <jorm> just upload it to mediawiki.org [02:22:09] <n0ob> is there anyway to prevent page create for users that don't exist? [02:22:13] <codurr> 03dantman * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111439> 10/trunk/phase3/includes/OutputPage.php: [02:22:13] <codurr> Introduce property: and itemprop: support for addMeta to add RDFa <meta property="..." content="..."> and Microdata <meta itemprop="..." content="..."> to the <head>. [02:22:13] <codurr> This is done in a way that can also be feature tested, and technically could be expanded by extensions. [02:22:20] <johnduhart> faceface: That's a copyright violation [02:22:30] <faceface> johnduhart: no'taint [02:22:38] <jorm> that heart image is public domain. [02:22:40] <faceface> seems clkr is 'royalty free' [02:22:45] <jorm> from here: http://openclipart.org/detail/80611 [02:22:49] <faceface> I think it is [02:22:54] <Dantman> !rights [02:22:54] <mw-bot> For information on customizing user access, see < http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:User_rights >. For common examples of restricting access using both rights and extensions, see < http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Preventing_access >. [02:22:59] <Dantman> ^ n0ob [02:23:08] <Dantman> Revoke the createpage permission [02:23:11] <jorm> it's actually CC0 PD [02:23:13] <johnduhart> jorm: ah [02:23:13] <faceface> oh... how did it get into clkr? [02:23:20] <faceface> clkr is royalty free [02:23:21] <jorm> someone imported it. [02:23:32] <jorm> no worries. that happens all the time. [02:23:36] <faceface> wait, who said that one didn't come first? [02:23:37] <codurr> 03reedy * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111440> 10/branches/wmf/1.19wmf1/extensions/VisualEditor/: Branching VisualEditor [02:23:39] <jorm> just use the openclipart.org url as the source. [02:23:43] <jorm> clickr did. [02:23:50] <jorm> it says hte source is openclipart.org [02:24:01] <faceface> they did? wait... isnt' that allowed? [02:24:03] <Joan> http://trextrying.tumblr.com/ [02:24:05] <jorm> left column, "Downloaded from" [02:24:08] * varnent where's a good trademark attorney when you need one.. [02:24:09] <codurr> 03dantman * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111441> 10/trunk/extensions/OpenGraphMeta/OpenGraphMeta.php: Make use of the property: support added in 1.20 if available. [02:24:25] <faceface> isn't openclipart ... open? [02:24:37] <codurr> 03reedy * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111442> 10/branches/wmf/1.19wmf1/extensions/FundraiserLandingPage/: Branching FundraiserLandingPage [02:24:59] <Dantman> I hate ftp:...... except for one exception. [02:25:18] <faceface> Unless noted, content on this site is waived of all copyright and related or neighboring rights under the CC0 PD Dedication. See Policies. [02:25:44] <Dantman> ;) It takes so long to transfer large data from one server to another using ftp that I get to say I spent 3h+ working when I was doing other things while waiting for a file transfer to finish [02:25:46] <jorm> there's no notation. so it's pd. [02:29:09] <Dantman> jorm, ever used `img { max-width: 100%; height: auto; }`? [02:29:20] <jorm> once, long ago. [02:29:27] <jorm> it doesn't do what you expect, iirc. [02:29:38] <jorm> some sort of kludge i did for an ie 6 thing. [02:29:46] <jorm> what's the context? [02:30:14] <jorm> okay. it's 6:30. i am now supposed to stop working on work stuff. [02:30:21] <jorm> and start working on side projects. [02:30:44] <Dantman> jorm: http://blog.redwerks.org/ look at the big MediaWiki image and start resizing your browser smaller and smaller till the content area starts to shrink to fit the window [02:31:11] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Tag <dws> for discarding whitespaces. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31865 +comment (10mah) [02:32:00] <jorm> NICE! [02:32:03] <jorm> is that intentional? [02:32:08] <jorm> it resizes for me. [02:32:11] <Dantman> ^_^ Yeah [02:32:23] <jorm> goodonye. [02:32:26] <Dantman> I switched my width's to max-width and padding [02:33:34] <Dantman> And then when it came to that img I originally though of css3-box's overflow: no-display; and then thought of throwing in max-width: 100%;. [02:34:06] <Dantman> The height="..." made it squish so I threw in height: auto; and crossed my fingers, and it worked beautifully. [02:34:19] <jorm> see, i would have just set the image in a div with overflow: scroll. [02:34:42] <jorm> but i'm like, 2 years behind in technique. [02:34:51] <Dantman> If this didn't work I would have just used max-width: 100%; overflow: hidden; [02:35:18] <Dantman> ^_^ But it did [02:35:48] <Dantman> Same there isn't even enough content on there yet to have a reason to use media queries [02:36:29] <Dantman> I should add a viewport to it [02:37:05] <Dantman> Then again, I should try getting ahold of an iPad to test on first to make sure I don't screw things up [02:43:10] <wikibugs> 04(REOPENED) Problems testing mediawiki 1.18.1beta-svn - error getUserPermissionsErrors() on a non-object - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/32338 +comment (10David H. Mason) [02:44:02] <Dantman> Yay, the iOS simulator's Safari isn't as utterly screwed up as it used to be [03:06:41] <TestStudent> [Question] What exactly causes this to display at the footer of the page? > "Retrieved from"http://wiki.domain.com/page&old=123049" [03:14:30] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Problems testing mediawiki 1.18.1 - error getUserPermissionsErrors() on a non-object - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/32338 summary (10Sam Reed (reedy)) [03:19:29] <mikemol> Any known issues with enabling $wgUseETag? I see it defaults to 'false' [03:21:53] <Dantman> mikemol: Apparently only with Squid 2.6 [03:22:10] <Dantman> Wikimedia should probably explicitly set that false if it's an issue and we should flip the default. [03:22:57] <mikemol> I'm using squid 3.1.6. Should it work there? [03:24:08] <p858snake|l_> Well there isn't no reports of breakage [03:25:02] <mikemol> Well, I'll be your first if there's a problem. :) [03:29:12] <Joan> https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7098 [03:29:17] <Joan> What a stupid bug resolution... [03:32:10] <wikibugs> 03(mod) IPv6 blocks don't work - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34362 (10jasper) [03:32:33] <varnent> johnduhart: any favorites? https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/MediaWiki.org_Main_Page_tweaks/Sandbox [03:34:50] <Dantman> varnent: I have an anti-favourite... Variation 4. The way "Developers" and the other stuff around there float around makes it hard to figure out where everything is grouped at a glance. [03:35:38] <varnent> dantman: lol - yeah - content in space was sort of a starter for following variations :) [03:36:14] <codurr> 03abemusic * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111444> 10/trunk/debs/nginx/modules/nginx-udplog/ngx_http_udplog_module.c: - Adds a "udplog_escaped_content_type" variable for url encoding the content type header [03:36:31] <Dantman> I do tend to like the coloured box ones. Though not the straight grey. [03:37:05] <varnent> Dantman: so a more polished v6 or v8? [03:37:15] <Dantman> Yeah [03:39:27] <Dantman> I don't like v8's header separation. When you combine that with some of the grey sub-header borders it creates an ugly outset effect [03:39:58] <varnent> would probably fill space more in v6 like v7 [03:40:06] <varnent> as far as the colors go [03:40:15] <p858snake|l_> I would like to see borders return [03:40:27] <Dantman> Yeah [03:40:28] <p858snake|l_> some of those colours look like crap on my screen and can't see them that well [03:40:41] <Dantman> I like v7's space fillin [03:41:14] <varnent> p858snake|l_: so you more like v1 - https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/MediaWiki.org_Main_Page_tweaks/Sandbox/v1 [03:41:34] <Dantman> v8's large download button is interesting. However given the fact that v6's download button placement is pretty nice too, and v8's right side bar is too big I'd go for v6 in that area. [03:41:47] <Dantman> Though the right box could use a top vertical alignment. [03:42:22] <varnent> p858snake|l_: or maybe v5 [03:42:41] <Dantman> varnent: Try a varient 6 with borders that are darker versions of the box colour [03:42:55] <Dantman> And v7's space filling [03:42:56] <varnent> sure [03:51:27] <Dantman> varnent: Also try swapping the "New opportunities" and "Current version" / "Popular pages" columns so that the former fits into the width of the box above. [03:52:00] <Dantman> Try using one complete table to ensure that the vertical gaps are completely flush. [03:52:30] <varnent> yeah - whichever one is picked I'll refine a lot more - lots of messy code in there to get some things ppl wanted setup [03:52:48] <varnent> so lots of lingering lines and tables that need to be merged :) [03:52:51] <Dantman> That will also make sure all the gaps have equal separation. [03:55:01] <Dantman> ...that's one thing I learned from working with designers. Spacing being a few pixles off in an uneven way can destroy a design. Users don't conciously notice it, but subconciously it destroys the design. [03:57:47] <Dantman> It's a shame we don't have css3-flexbox [03:59:28] <wikibugs> 03(FIXED) Problems testing mediawiki 1.18.1 - error getUserPermissionsErrors() on a non-object - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/32338 +comment (10David H. Mason) [04:00:16] * Dantman wants some sort of featured design system for layouts like these. Something that lets a layout be compartmentalized into a single set of markup, some css which can be authorized, and it can be applied to a page without having to be edited in a template like way. [04:00:44] <Dantman> Oooooohhhh... abusing section headers!!!! [04:00:52] <Dantman> heh [04:02:20] <varnent> Dantman: before I change the border colors… https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/MediaWiki.org_Main_Page_tweaks/Sandbox/v9 [04:05:42] <wikibugs> 04(REOPENED) Problems testing mediawiki 1.18.1 - error getUserPermissionsErrors() on a non-object - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/32338 +comment (10David H. Mason) [04:05:53] <codurr> 03reedy * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111445> 10/trunk/phase3/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Documentations! [04:06:01] <TestStudent> What exactly causes this message to display at the footer of the page? > <<"Retrieved from"http://wiki.domain.com/page&old=123049">> [04:10:13] <codurr> 03reedy * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111446> 10/trunk/extensions/ (4 files in 4 dirs): [04:10:13] <codurr> Use DatabaseBase::factory [04:10:13] <codurr> Remove unused globals/variables [04:13:32] <varnent> Dantman: done - https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/MediaWiki.org_Main_Page_tweaks/Sandbox/v9 [04:22:29] <Dantman> @_@ Ahh... it is a mess [04:24:11] <varnent> switch the two boxes back around..maybe resize a bit? [04:27:14] <Dantman> No, the markup. [04:27:32] <varnent> oh - lol - yeah - needs work - don't bother :) [04:27:45] <varnent> but largely because it's overriding a lot of things in Common.css and such [04:27:56] <Dantman> To get the right side box in the top row to align to the very top you have to take a header that's inside a div and merge it into the table. [04:27:58] <varnent> so when we go to implement - it'll much much easier to clean it up and such [04:30:41] <wikibugs> 03(mod) IPv6 blocks don't work - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34362 (10jasper) [04:34:41] <varnent> Dantman: I'm not sure I like all the colors - lean towards this option: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/MediaWiki.org_Main_Page_tweaks/Sandbox/v5 [04:34:58] <varnent> maybe some color here and there [04:36:06] <Dantman> T_T Nooo... the colours, the colours! [04:36:51] <heatherw> (noooo! not the colors!) :) [04:37:57] <heatherw> i am curious about the tiny icons in the corners, will they do anything? if they aren't for clicking they seem unnecessary. [04:38:42] <varnent> heatherw: they're just there..built into the css..but I don't feel too strongly about them personally [04:39:03] <varnent> I do think they add some graphic pleasantness [04:39:53] <heatherw> the one on new opportunities keeps making me think of a gravestone ;p [04:41:12] <varnent> lol [04:42:21] <Dantman> varnent: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Dantman/Code_Ideas/PageLayouts [04:45:30] <aude> Dantman: thanks for the skinning tutorial [04:46:02] * Dantman wishes one day we would ditch this "Everything is page text" mentality [04:46:32] <heatherw> what do you mean? [04:47:22] <Dantman> Categories as page text, we store one block of page text for a page. No metadata. No way to separate things and say "this is one block within the page", "and this is another". [04:49:14] <Dantman> I want a formal way to define a Layout: namespace where every page has a special type "Layout", instead of normal page text. Then save into storage structured data with a "css" key and a "markup" key. And have my formally defined system asked how it should render this type of page, giving it the structured data. [04:53:52] <varnent> what about this as a color compromise: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/MediaWiki.org_Main_Page_tweaks/Sandbox/v5 [04:54:11] <Dantman> T_T [04:54:22] <heatherw> is that an angry clown? [04:54:48] * Dantman kicks heatherw [04:55:07] <heatherw> that was a serious question [04:55:44] <heatherw> is there a key for those things somewhere? [04:56:24] <Dantman> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emoticon [04:56:29] <heatherw> okay, it wasn't serious, but i wasn't trying to make a joke either [05:13:19] <codurr> 03yaron * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111447> 10/trunk/extensions/ReplaceText/SpecialReplaceText.php: Added handling in case prefix isn't parseable [05:13:54] <wikibugs> 03(FIXED) [RT] fatal error when "pages with the prefix" field contains a namespace followed by a colon - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34287 +comment (10Yaron Koren) [05:16:48] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Problems testing mediawiki 1.18.1 - error getUserPermissionsErrors() on a non-object - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/32338 +comment (10Yaron Koren) [05:30:08] <wikibugs> 03(WONTFIX) [SF] Special:RunQuery enhancement to be able to populate red-links automatically - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34150 +comment (10Yaron Koren) [06:15:23] <wikibugs> 03(NEW) Enable emailing password based on email address - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34386 normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (matthew.flaschen) [06:18:23] <floyd8> I just locked myself out of my own site and took it down. Need some help…. [06:18:25] <floyd8> 1) Forgot all passwords so I reset password for bbwikicom user though my hosting web interface 2) Site is not working. Error message is Can't contact the database server: Access denied for user 'bbwikicom'@. 3) I went to edit LocalSettings.php to update the password but the only username/password pair that I see there is for a different user. [06:27:36] <Joan> floyd8: What user is in LocalSettings.php? [06:29:36] <floyd8> Joan: bbwikicom3. But that's not a username anywhere in my web panel for sql users [06:31:09] <floyd8> I have no idea where bbwikicom3 is a user [07:05:19] <wikibugs> 03(NEW) Upload Wizard - The file you submitted was empty - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34387 critical; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (ineuw) [07:05:20] <codurr> 03aaron * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111448> 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/backend/FlaggedRevsStats.php: PG fix: give fpp_pending_since condition a non-bogus initial value [07:06:17] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Upload Wizard - The file you submitted was empty - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34387 (10ineuw) [07:06:45] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Upload Wizard - The file you submitted was empty - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34387 (10ineuw) [07:11:21] <tale> floyd8: Is the password in AdminSettings.php? [07:20:54] <_NiC> floyd8, I wouldn't worry so much about what's in there now, as long as you can set it to whatever is correct. [07:25:52] <codurr> 03aaron * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111449> 10/trunk/phase3/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Reverted r111186, r111226: broken per CR [07:28:38] <codurr> 03wikinaut * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111450> 10/trunk/extensions/EtherpadLite/EtherpadLite.php: follow-up r111437 : Etherpad Lite requires indeed the userName rawurlencoded, not urlencoded as coded by wfAppendQuery. Appending &userName= manually now. [07:31:32] <codurr> New code comment: Wikinaut; One thing: the error message shows unallowed urls _with_ links to it. I'd rather avoid the links, ju; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111437#c30933> [07:35:03] <codurr> New code comment: Raymond; Needs PLURAL for $2: \ + 'etherpadlite-url-is-not-whitelisted' => '"$1" is not in the whitelist of a; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111437#c30934> [07:42:17] <codurr> New code comment: Wikinaut; What do I have to change exactly?; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111437#c30935> [08:14:05] <netbrain> Anyone know how i can use <display_points service="openlayers"> and specify my own image file to use as a layer? [08:41:32] <codurr> New code comment: Wikinaut; I think you meant this https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Localisation#.E2.80.A6on_numbers_via_PLURAL .; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111437#c30936> [09:00:22] <hashar> hello [09:09:00] <apergos> hello [09:09:19] * Dantman wishes css3 had made it possible to create an infinite ammount of pesudo elements using things like :after:after :inner and :outer [09:17:20] <codurr> 03tstarling * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111451> 10/trunk/extensions/cldr/LanguageNames.body.php: [09:17:20] <codurr> * Fixed an exception generated with {{#language:<nowiki>xx</nowiki>}} due to CldrNames::getOverrideFileName() being called outside of the Language::isValidBuiltInCode() guard. Observed on Commons. [09:17:20] <codurr> * Unindented and simplified slightly, for readability [09:17:57] <wikibugs> 03(NEW) Blank page after activating this extension - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34388 normal; MediaWiki extensions: MobileFrontend; (jukey) [09:25:47] <codurr> 03tstarling * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111452> 10/branches/REL1_19/extensions/cldr/LanguageNames.body.php: Fix exception like in trunk r111349, simplified for easier merging [09:27:46] <codurr> 03tstarling * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111453> 10/branches/wmf/1.18wmf1/extensions/cldr/LanguageNames.body.php: Merged r111452 from 1.19, equivalent to trunk r111451 [09:31:14] <hashar> !blank [09:31:17] <hashar> !blankpage [09:31:20] <hashar> seriously [09:31:29] <Dantman> labs! [09:33:51] <wikibugs> 04(REOPENED) Inconsistent escaping in mw.msg vs. jqueryMsg - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34365 +comment (10Michael M.) [09:34:02] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Audio files are broken in mobile - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/30859 +comment (10Jon) [09:34:31] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Blank page after activating MobileFrontend - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34388 summary; +comment (10Antoine "hashar" Musso) [09:35:56] <codurr> 03tstarling * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111454> 10/branches/wmf/1.19wmf1/extensions/cldr/LanguageNames.body.php: Merged r111452 from 1.19 [09:37:47] <codurr> New code comment: Tim Starling; Commit message should read "like in trunk r111451".; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111452#c30937> [09:40:56] <wikibugs> 03(VERIFIED) UserOptionsModule styles are loaded twice - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34289 +comment (10Antoine "hashar" Musso) [09:43:17] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Using search box on m.wikipedia in a non-mobile browser redirects to normal site - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34126 +comment (10Jon) [10:00:11] <codurr> 03hashar * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111455> 10/trunk/phase3/tests/phpunit/includes/HtmlTest.php: [10:00:11] <codurr> split ns selector tests for filter / disable options [10:00:11] <codurr> ping r111376 [10:01:33] <codurr> New code comment: Hashar; I have split the tests for disabling and filtering namespaces with r111455. Makes it easier to isola; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111376#c30938> [10:11:03] <codurr> New code comment: Hashar; fixed in a later revision; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111222#c30939> [10:13:48] <wikibugs> 03(NEW) Search Icon is missing - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34389 normal; Wikimedia Labs: Deployment beta; (fomafix) [10:14:54] <mindrones> hi, I'm going to upgrade from 1.16.2 to 1.18.1 and I have a couple of questions [10:15:50] <mindrones> 1) to have 3012 redirects, I use this patch on 1.16.2 http://www.pasteall.org/29144 [10:15:53] <mindrones> 301* [10:16:18] <mindrones> is there any setup now to simply tell mw to use 301 redirects? instead of patching it? [10:16:46] <mindrones> 2) can I do a simple upgrade.php without particular problems? [10:17:19] <mindrones> any help would be appreaciated thx :) [10:18:00] <mindrones> also in (1) is that patch still ok btw? [10:18:10] <mindrones> gona test now but still asking :) [10:18:25] <hashar> mindrones: make sure you backup your database [10:18:32] <mindrones> hashar right [10:18:35] <mindrones> thx [10:18:41] <hashar> make sure you meet 1.18 requirement (database version / php version) [10:18:46] <hashar> read UPGRADE :) [10:18:47] <mindrones> uhm ok [10:18:48] <hashar> twice :D [10:18:51] <mindrones> okok :) [10:19:07] <mindrones> any hints about 301 redirects? [10:19:21] <mindrones> would be fantastic to have a localsettings setup to do that [10:19:26] <hashar> we do not support that [10:19:34] <hashar> but you can add back your local hack :)) [10:19:37] <mindrones> like wfRedirectType = 301; [10:19:43] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Blank page after activating MobileFrontend - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34388 +comment (10jukey) [10:19:43] <mindrones> yeah indeed :) [10:19:53] <mindrones> but well it would be very very welcome [10:20:10] <hashar> well a redirect is not permanent (301) :D [10:20:23] <mindrones> what do you mean? :) [10:20:30] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Blank page after activating MobileFrontend - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34388 +comment (10jukey) [10:21:00] <hashar> I am not sure why you have that local hack for [10:21:02] <mindrones> we change stuff a lot in blender wiki because being a manual people usually start pages in random places and then I put pages in the right place [10:21:10] <mindrones> but I don't want to show that "redirecting from Foo" [10:21:26] <TimStarling> you could hide it with CSS [10:21:40] <hashar> anyway, the code was moved from Article.php to Wiki.php, you will find it at the bottom of MediaWiki->performRequest() [10:21:41] <mindrones> out wiki is in use from 2005 and many pages have changed names many times [10:21:52] <mindrones> TimStarling right [10:22:06] <mindrones> ah fantastic hashar thx [10:22:29] <mindrones> our* [10:22:57] <mindrones> also, I think google asks for 301 for a better indexing [10:23:08] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Search Icon is missing - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34389 (10Peter Bena) [10:23:12] <mindrones> read that in their guides some time ago [10:24:13] <hashar> you have some double redirects indeed : http://wiki.blender.org/index.php/Special:DoubleRedirects [10:24:18] <hashar> :-D [10:24:21] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Search Icon is missing - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34389 (10Peter Bena) [10:24:21] <wikibugs> 03(mod) several bugs on deployment test site for 1.19 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33578 (10Peter Bena) [10:24:37] <hashar> anyway, make sure you have a full backup of both the database and your file directory [10:24:49] <mindrones> hashar that's nothing! we had thousands :) I use a bot to fix those [10:25:10] <mindrones> hashar ok, re: files we use a local svn on the server to avoid messups [10:26:33] <mindrones> ah hashar do you think you're going to come out with a new mw version? or using 1.18.1 is safe? [10:26:54] <hashar> 1.18.1 is the latest stable [10:27:06] <hashar> I am not sure we will release any 1.18.2 [10:27:10] <mindrones> we usually upgrade once a year or a little more so if you're scheduling a 1.18.2 i 2 weeks or a month I'd wait [10:27:14] <mindrones> ah okok [10:27:15] <hashar> we might though [10:27:34] <hashar> 1.18.1 -> 1.18.2 will be a very fast and easy upgrade anyway [10:27:37] <mindrones> when is 1.19 scheduled, if it is? [10:27:42] <mindrones> ok [10:27:42] <hashar> if it ever goes out, it will be just some minor fixes [10:27:50] <mindrones> cool [10:27:52] <p858snake|l_> If there is a security release 1.18.2 will be released :) [10:27:57] <hashar> 1.19 is being deployed on wikipedia cluster over the next 3 weeks or so [10:28:11] <hashar> so we might be releasing 1.19 in april (nothing sure, don't quote me on that) [10:28:16] <mindrones> hashar ah! and hence we'll have a stable 19 soon? [10:28:16] <hashar> or maybe earlier .. I don't know [10:28:22] <mindrones> april [10:28:24] <mindrones> uhm [10:28:37] <hashar> just upgrade to 1.18 [10:28:41] <mindrones> OK [10:28:48] <mindrones> many thanks [10:29:04] <hashar> make sure to upgrade your extensions too 8-) [10:29:40] <mindrones> of course sir! :) [10:30:13] <mindrones> it's all svn'ed B) [10:32:05] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Add support for non-Arabic number systems - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34193 +comment (10jayantanth) [10:37:03] <wikibugs> 03(NEW) Deprecated: Function split() is deprecated in ... - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34390 normal; Wikimedia: AcaWiki; (katkov.juriy) [10:43:51] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Blank page after activating MobileFrontend - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34388 +comment (10preilly) [10:44:08] <wikibugs> 14(WFM) Blank page after activating MobileFrontend - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34388 +comment (10Antoine "hashar" Musso) [10:49:34] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Blank page after activating MobileFrontend - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34388 +comment (10preilly) [10:51:31] <OrenOf> hashar: re [10:52:10] <OrenOf> I am missed you the last couple of days [10:53:02] <hashar> :D [10:53:14] <hashar> and you gonna miss me one more time since I am heading out for lunch :-/ [10:53:15] <OrenOf> if you got a minute we can discuss adding an artifactory to jenkins [10:53:21] <hashar> the last question was "what are artifacts"? [10:53:33] <hashar> I can enable them on jenkins only if I know what they are [10:53:46] <OrenOf> of course I'm glad to explain [10:53:53] <hashar> maybe this afternoon [10:53:56] <OrenOf> artifacts are versoned libraries [10:54:02] <OrenOf> artifacts are versioned libraries [10:54:17] <OrenOf> let me know when you are available [10:55:19] <OrenOf> they are kept in a repository which can be queried by maven during dependency resoulution [10:55:32] <hashar> OrenOf: there is an "Archive the artifacts" option [10:55:41] <OrenOf> correct [10:55:55] <hashar> Archives the build artifacts (for example, distribution zip files or jar files) so that they can be downloaded later. Archived files will be accessible from the Jenkins webpage. Normally, Jenkins keeps artifacts for a build as long as a build log itself is kept, but if you don't need old artifacts and would rather save disk space, you can do so. [10:56:05] <OrenOf> that is what I'm want to do [10:56:26] <hashar> then it needs a list of files to archives [10:57:49] <OrenOf> I'm reffering to "Deploy artifacts to Maven repository" [10:58:10] <OrenOf> this allows other developers to locate them based on metadata [10:58:45] <OrenOf> without having to search the web for them [10:59:41] <OrenOf> also the allows versioning [11:00:01] <OrenOf> if it's just on the maven page you can't used it from maven AFAIK [11:00:36] <OrenOf> now MWDumper should be on the Jenkins page so people can get it as an application [11:00:48] <hashar> oh so that is kind of like a nightly build so [11:01:17] <OrenOf> but is some one needs it as a library to build his Search tool or his bot he will want to get it from maven [11:01:36] <hashar> so we need to setup a maven repository much like the nightly build for mobiles. Right? [11:01:54] <OrenOf> similar [11:02:27] <OrenOf> I suggest we place a web application called Artifactory on the same machine - it runs on tomcat [11:03:18] <OrenOf> then we install a jenkins plug in and it will put the snapshot or milestone build into the repository [11:03:33] <hashar> cant we just copy some files in a file hierarchy? [11:04:18] <OrenOf> not realy [11:04:33] <hashar> because we are probably not going to deploy tomcat on that machine :D [11:04:47] <OrenOf> what does jenkins run on ? [11:05:03] <OrenOf> its a java web app [11:05:43] <OrenOf> so you are running it on a java application server [11:06:38] <OrenOf> I thought either tomcat, jetty, glassfish, or something less open [11:06:56] <hashar> I got it [11:07:01] <OrenOf> ok [11:07:21] <hashar> that would need a few bugs opened in bugzilla :-D [11:07:24] <OrenOf> I sent yesterday a note to the list with a couple of links [11:08:03] <OrenOf> hashar: I don't quite follow you [11:08:38] <hashar> which list? [11:09:07] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Distinguish external links from internal links. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/30831 +comment (10jrobson) [11:09:07] <hashar> wikitech-l ? [11:09:37] <OrenOf> Wikitext-l [11:09:39] <OrenOf> yes [11:09:51] <OrenOf> unfortunately it has a bad thread number [11:10:13] <hashar> http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitext-l/2012-February/000580.html [11:10:18] <hashar> I don't read that list though :D [11:10:28] <OrenOf> not that [11:10:39] <OrenOf> http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitext-l/2012-February/000620.html [11:11:04] <OrenOf> hashar: my bad [11:11:39] <hashar> OrenOf: can you open two bug reports please? [11:11:54] <OrenOf> sure - what for [11:11:54] <hashar> one to get the Artifactory software installed [11:11:58] <OrenOf> ok [11:12:02] <hashar> the second to get the jenkins artifactory plug-in [11:12:08] <hashar> make sure to cc me: hashar@free.fr [11:12:14] <OrenOf> It will be done [11:12:24] <OrenOf> Mylyn to the rescue!! [11:12:31] <hashar> will enhance them this afternoon, add some more bugs and open requests to the operation teams [11:12:53] <OrenOf> excellent great [11:13:04] <wikibugs> 03(NEW) stats.wikimedia.org shows permission denials - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34391 normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (billinghurst) [11:13:04] <hashar> is jenkins running under tomcat? [11:13:13] <hashar> (I am a java noob) [11:13:16] <OrenOf> I don't have access to see [11:13:27] <hashar> I will figure it out [11:13:44] <hashar> for now, I really need to get out (lunching with wife) [11:13:49] <hashar> make sure to cc me on the bug reports :-D [11:13:57] <hashar> will be back this afternoon [11:13:57] <OrenOf> I can help if you run into trouble [11:14:09] <OrenOf> enjoy [11:14:44] <hashar> thanks for the help offer :D [11:14:55] <hashar> heading out for lunch NOW!! :D [11:31:27] <sumanah> hi DanielRenfro [11:41:06] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Upgrade to Java 1.5 / Cleaning up code - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/23506 +comment (10orenbochman) [11:45:33] <wikibugs> 03(mod) error log and restart support - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/30272 (10orenbochman) [11:45:53] <wikibugs> 03(ASSIGNED) error log and restart support - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/30272 (10orenbochman) [11:55:24] <sumanah> hi mindrones [11:55:46] <sumanah> hi yuvipanda [11:55:51] <yuvipanda> hello! [11:55:54] <yuvipanda> up early I see [11:56:47] <sumanah> yeah. Following up right now on some Wikimedia India stuff. [11:57:02] <sumanah> yuvipanda: have you been able to find that Etherpad with notes from the Pune hackathon? [11:57:18] <mindrones> hey sumanah [11:57:49] <yuvipanda> sumanah: nope, you'll have to ping siebrand/rfarrand for that [11:58:48] <sumanah> yuvipanda: Gr. [11:58:53] <sumanah> it's not in your awesomebar, yuvipanda? [11:59:03] <yuvipanda> it was on their computers [11:59:08] <sumanah> ah. [11:59:29] <sumanah> mindrones: I told Gregory Varnum https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Varnent about the Naiad skin and he got pretty excited [11:59:46] <sumanah> he's looking forward to that "here's what we did" email from you to mediawiki-l [12:02:08] <mindrones> sumanah cool :) ok ok right now I'm upgrading to 1.18.1 and I'll be a bit busy but asap I'll do a case study togwther with the other guys [12:02:21] <sumanah> Thanks mindrones [12:02:40] <sumanah> yeah, they were wondering if you were planning to upgrade, I think I told them yeah [12:02:41] <mindrones> I see he's quite involved but sorry for my ignorance, who is gregory in the wiki circles? [12:02:55] <sumanah> no prob mindrones, he's fairly new to MediaWiki community shepherding :-) [12:03:10] <sumanah> he's Varnent on English Wikipedia as well [12:03:33] <sumanah> he's interested in helping MediaWiki extensions devs, and administrators of other wiki instances, get info they need [12:03:36] <mindrones> so he's a developer right? or colleague at WMF? [12:03:42] <mindrones> ah okok [12:03:43] <mindrones> cool [12:04:11] <mindrones> well there is one thing I'd like to se "fixed" [12:04:13] <mindrones> well 2 [12:05:11] <mindrones> one is having DPL functionalities integrated in mediawiki, it is super useful and surprises me that that stuff isn't integrated [12:05:22] <mindrones> and the other one is a navigation tree well integrated in mw [12:05:28] <mindrones> to make trees out of subpages [12:05:46] <mindrones> it has been extremely problematic to manage and still is, we have to cache the trees... [12:05:51] <mindrones> hence it's not optimal [12:05:59] <mindrones> sumanah ^ [12:06:09] <sumanah> mindrones: he doesn't work at WMF. [12:06:14] <mindrones> oki [12:06:32] <sumanah> mindrones: sounds like you should file two items at bugzilla.wikimedia.org [12:06:46] <mindrones> do they accept feat req too? [12:06:48] <sumanah> yes [12:06:52] <mindrones> ah cool [12:06:54] <sumanah> there's an "enhancement" category [12:07:02] <mindrones> usually feat req are snobbed a bit [12:07:44] <sumanah> mindrones: we can be a bit tough, like "well what is it exactly that you want?" or "that won't work" but Bugzilla is the best place to put feature requests [12:08:46] <mindrones> ok I'll do laters then thx [12:15:18] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Give projects the opportunity to add mobile specific JS/CSS - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/22659 +comment (10Jon) [12:17:13] <wikibugs> 03(NEW) Build is Fragile - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34392 minor; Wikimedia: lucene-search-2; (orenbochman) [12:21:42] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Distinguish external links from internal links. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/30831 +need-review +patch; +comment (10Sumana Harihareswara) [12:24:56] <wikibugs> 03(NEW) Install Artifactory to distibute MWDumper as a Maven Artifact - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34393 normal; mwdumper: general; (orenbochman) [12:24:56] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Build is Fragile - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34392 (10orenbochman) [12:25:05] <sumanah> hi siebrand [12:25:08] <sumanah> got a moment? [12:25:47] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Install Artifactory to distribute MWDumper as a Maven Artifact - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34393 summary (10orenbochman) [12:32:23] <wikibugs> 03(NEW) Install Jenkins Artifactory Plugin to distribute MWDumper as a Maven Artifact - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34394 minor; mwdumper: general; (orenbochman) [12:34:36] <OrenOf> summanh: hello [12:36:27] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Lockdown extension: SearchableNamespaces hook removes robots permissions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/30275 summary; +comment (10Sumana Harihareswara) [12:36:33] <sumanah> hi jdlrobson! [12:36:50] <sumanah> hi OrenOf. You should use tab completion so you get my nick right and I actually get the alert :-) [12:37:21] <chombium> hi, is there a way how to get a list of all external inter wiki links which are part of the article contents? maybe some method of $wgOut ... [12:38:18] <Submarine> Hi. does the BibTeX extension work for anybody here? [12:38:25] <Nikerabbit> hello [12:39:52] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Validator extension: A new "page" type. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33420 summary; +comment (10Sumana Harihareswara) [12:40:20] <OrenOf> sumanah: a thousand appologies [12:40:42] <sumanah> ;-) [12:40:56] <wikibugs> 03(NEW) Main Page tab in Telugu appears above the level of other tabs - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34395 normal; Wikimedia: Language setup; (arjunaraoc) [12:41:26] <OrenOf> I'd like to discuss some matter in a private [12:41:35] <sumanah> ok! [12:41:45] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Show/hide memory in Wikipedia Mobile - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/20053 +comment (10jrobson) [12:41:50] * OrenOf sumanah is this good [12:41:55] <sumanah> sure, OrenOf [12:41:55] <OrenOf> guess not [12:44:15] <MaxSem> sumanah, what's the status of jdlrobson's commit access request? :) [12:44:24] <sumanah> MaxSem: I don't know, let me see. [12:45:00] <jdlrobson> i sent an e-mail on the 8th to mailto:commit-access-requests@wikimedia.org if that helps track it down [12:45:32] <sumanah> sure [12:45:48] <sumanah> jdlrobson: I think I was like "who is this random person who is claiming he is contracting for us" [12:45:55] <sumanah> because the email about you had not gone out. [12:45:58] <jdlrobson> :-) [12:46:04] <codurr> 03siebrand * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111456> 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/ (MessageGroups.php scripts/export.php): [12:46:04] <codurr> * update documentation. [12:46:04] <codurr> * add skipMeta parameter to MessageGroup::getGroupsById() to all filtering out aggregate groups. [12:46:04] <codurr> * update export.php to use skipMeta to avoid fatal error. [12:54:20] <codurr> 03siebrand * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111457> 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/MessageGroups.php: Follow-up r111456: Cheaper check first. [13:05:15] <wikibugs> 03(mod) [SMW] Semantic search: Comparators in property "record" are ineffective - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34019 normal->major; +comment (10Klaus Wendel) [13:06:32] <codurr> New code comment: Hashar; That or use MySQL spatial indexes / PostGIS :-D \ Anyway, I am now wondering if we should keep suppor; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110649#c30940> [13:32:41] <gandhiano> hi - I'm trying to figure out how to setup a mediawiki multisite (farm) - and am having problem figuring out how to activate extensions only to a single site (preferably together with debian way) [13:33:13] <gandhiano> found this interesting page - http://www.saruman.biz/wiki/index.php?title=Create_a_Wikifarm - but unfortunately it ends where I needed it to start ;) [13:33:17] <codurr> New code comment: MaxSem; > That or use MySQL spatial indexes \ Yay for MyISAM on cluster! XD \ > PostGIS \ If we're to switch fr; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110649#c30941> [13:34:18] <hashar> gandhiano: your wikis probably have different $wgDBName / $wgServerName [13:34:32] <gandhiano> hashar, that's right [13:35:09] <gandhiano> but when I use mwenext, the plugins are activated for all websites [13:35:22] <gandhiano> which leads to those which are not setup to use the extension to break [13:36:54] <hashar> mwenext? [13:38:30] <hashar> gandhiano: maybe have a look at WMF configuration at http://noc.wikimedia.org/conf/highlight.php?file=CommonSettings.php [13:38:58] <hashar> there is stuff like : if( $wgDBname == 'mediawikiwiki' ) { include( /path/to/Some/extension) ; } [13:40:11] <gandhiano> hashar, thanks, that seems to serve the purpose :) [13:40:33] <gandhiano> will look at it and, if I get to something useful, will fill in that other wiki page [13:40:33] <hashar> most of WMF configuration files are available at http://noc.wikimedia.org/conf/ [13:41:40] <gandhiano> hashar, mwenext is the debian way of enabling extensions (basically it creates the relevant symlinks) [13:41:55] <gandhiano> mwenext and mwdisext [13:44:37] <Saruman> gandhiano: pm [13:45:19] <hashar> gandhiano: sorry I am not sure what mwenext is really doing [13:45:32] <hashar> probably adds a require_once in some global setting file :/ [13:46:11] <hashar> I guess you will have to handle that yourself or add wikifarm support to the debian tools [13:46:23] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Lockdown extension: SearchableNamespaces hook removes robots permissions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/30275 +comment (10daniel.kinzler) [13:51:50] <codurr> 03hashar * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111458> 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/skins/SMW_tooltip.js: [13:51:50] <codurr> revert r108210 (js wgScriptPath removal) [13:51:50] <codurr> Per CR, breaks back compatibility with MediaWiki 1.16. [13:52:03] <codurr> New code comment: Hashar; reverted with r111458; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/108210#c30942> [14:01:17] <codurr> 03gwicke * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111459> 10/trunk/extensions/VisualEditor/modules/parser/README.txt: Tweak comment about request module [14:01:47] <codurr> New code comment: Hashar; Maybe you should only handle keycodes instead? "key: 'M'" is misleading, one would expect it to be ; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/109808#c30943> [14:06:17] <codurr> New code comment: Hashar; 'request' is installed by jsdom. Npm let you get direct dependency for a given package: \ $ npm vie; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111459#c30944> [14:10:39] <codurr> 03ialex * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111460> 10/trunk/phase3/includes/GlobalFunctions.php: Always send 1 for "-total" item in wfIncrStats() when destination is UDP; it should not depend on the $count parameter [14:15:03] <sumanah> https://test2.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Version exciting! [14:15:54] <codurr> 03gwicke * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111461> 10/trunk/extensions/VisualEditor/modules/parser/README.txt: [14:15:54] <codurr> request is automatically installed by jsdom. Follow-up to r111459. Thanks [14:15:55] <codurr> Hashar! [14:16:09] <hashar> you are welcome gwicke :) [14:16:25] <gwicke> ;) [14:17:31] <wikibugs> 03(FIXED) Validator extension: A new "page" type. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33420 +comment (10Jeroen De Dauw) [14:18:00] <hashar> gwicke: I guess we need a nodejs cabal [14:18:03] <jameslord1> hi all [14:18:14] <jameslord1> i have succeed to install mw, but when i open my mw site [14:18:20] <hashar> the LUA cabal already won a battle though :-] [14:18:23] <jameslord1> the page is blank, what's wrong? [14:18:27] <hashar> !blank [14:18:37] <sumanah> the bot is missing! [14:18:38] <jameslord1> i am sure that this is nothing wrong with my browser [14:18:42] <codurr> 03reedy * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111462> 10/trunk/extensions/WebFonts/fonts/ (47 files in 16 dirs): Change woff to application/x-font-woff [14:18:43] <hashar> jameslord1: that means there was a server side error. You need to have a look at your php error log [14:18:47] <gwicke> hashar: he- let's see how they do in the longer term.. [14:19:03] <RoanKattouw> There's no mw-bot ? [14:19:05] <RoanKattouw> Hmph [14:19:08] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Ability to specify default limit value for Semantic Search "further results" page, separate from initial query. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34384 +comment (10Jeroen De Dauw) [14:19:44] <RoanKattouw> Nightshade rebooted as well, apparently [14:20:22] <jameslord1> hashar what surprise me is that, if i rename LocalSetting.php, then i can open my site again, but not the site i want, the page tells me to setup my wiki first :( [14:20:43] <hashar> jameslord1: that is how MediaWiki works [14:20:47] <RoanKattouw> jameslord1: Yes, that's expected behavior [14:20:57] <hashar> jameslord1: when there is no LocalSettings.php , MediaWiki ask you to configure it [14:20:58] <RoanKattouw> You get the "Set up your wiki" page if LocalSettings.php is not found [14:22:21] <jameslord1> then why my wiki page is blank? [14:22:21] <jameslord1> hashar the tables are installed to my database [14:22:50] <jere_n> is 1.19 out already? [14:22:55] <RoanKattouw> !blank [14:22:55] <mw-bot> A blank page or HTTP 500 error usually indicates a fatal PHP error. For information on debugging (including viewing errors), see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:How_to_debug>. [14:22:59] <[_White_]> Hi, everybody. :) [14:23:32] <RoanKattouw> jere_n: Not quite yet. We'll be deploying it to the Wikimedia wikis first, over the next few weeks, then after that we'll release it [14:25:55] <Joeytje50> hi, I've got a question about http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:AbuseFilter/RulesFormat [14:26:31] <Joeytje50> there is an abusefilter option for moving, deleting, editing and creating accounts, but is there also something for blocking? [14:26:45] <hashar> jameslord1: look at your server error log [14:26:46] <Joeytje50> for example to block admins from blocking other admins? [14:26:51] <hashar> jameslord1: that is the only way to know the issue [14:27:58] <Joeytje50> guys, does anyone know if it is possible to prevent administrators from blocking other administrators? [14:29:07] <sumanah> !1.19 | jere_n [14:29:08] <mw-bot> jere_n: Working on it, hoping to deploy in February 2012. Branched at r110996 on 9th February, 2011. http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.science.linguistics.wikipedia.technical/56919 [14:29:08] <jere_n> RoanKattouw: awesome. will look into the svn to see how its going [14:29:25] <sumanah> Joeytje50: that seems really unlikely [14:29:37] <jameslord1> LocalSettings_iyanwu.php [14:29:50] <jameslord1> http://paste.ubuntu.com/841738/ [14:30:05] <Joeytje50> sumanah: unless an administrator gets hacked, like what happened twice to the wiki I'm editing already this week [14:30:13] <sumanah> oh dear! [14:30:15] <Joeytje50> so it would be nice to be able to prevent that [14:30:23] <Joeytje50> and there is also an option to prevent deleting [14:30:28] <Joeytje50> and that's admin-only too [14:30:43] <sumanah> Joeytje50: I mean, it seems unlikely that MediaWiki would offer a way to stop an admin, who has admin powers, from doing stuff with those powers. [14:30:48] <Joeytje50> so "that's admin-only anyway" shouldn't be a good reason not to add it [14:30:56] <jameslord1> what's wrong? my wiki is blank:( http://paste.ubuntu.com/841738/ [14:31:07] <hashar> Joeytje50: maybe you can disable sysops to unblock themselves? [14:31:19] <hashar> $wgGroupPermissions['sysop']['unblockself'] = false ; [14:31:23] <Joeytje50> that would cause even more problems [14:31:40] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Etherpad functionality within MediaWiki editing - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/28373 +comment (10sumanah) [14:31:42] <Joeytje50> because then the admin who blocks the other admins could be the only one left if he strikes at the right moment [14:31:53] <Joeytje50> and then we'd have to wait for staff to get online again [14:31:57] <Joeytje50> which could take a while [14:31:59] <hashar> ho true [14:32:39] <Joeytje50> so, there is no option for abusefilters to do that? [14:32:47] <jameslord1> help [14:32:47] <Joeytje50> and there is no extension which allows that either? [14:32:57] <jameslord1> what's wrong? my wiki is blank:( http://paste.ubuntu.com/841738/ [14:33:09] <wikibugs> 03(ASSIGNED) SemanticMediaWiki: Canonical namespace names are set incorrectly. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34383 +comment (10Jeroen De Dauw) [14:33:21] <hashar> Joeytje50: well you could disable blocking right [14:33:32] <wikibugs> 03(mod) SemanticMediaWiki: Canonical namespace names are set incorrectly. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34383 (10Jeroen De Dauw) [14:33:50] <hashar> Joeytje50: $wgGroupPermissions['sysop']['block'] = false; [14:33:51] <Joeytje50> hashar: yeah but admins do need to be able to block... [14:33:58] <hashar> Joeytje50: but then sysops will not be able to block anyone [14:34:03] <hashar> hehe [14:34:11] <Joeytje50> isn't there something that disallows sysops blocking sysops? [14:34:41] <RoanKattouw> jameslord1: It says it can't read /home/jack/home/workspace/php/mediawiki/wiki/LocalSettings.php , does that file exist? Is it readable by the apache user? [14:35:37] <jameslord1> RoanKattouw yes, that file exist [14:36:11] <RoanKattouw> Are you sure the path is correct? The double 'home' looks weird [14:36:30] <jere_n> jameslord1: what about that extra "home"? maybe you don't have read permissions either [14:39:37] <jameslord1> http://paste.ubuntu.com/841746/ [14:40:11] <jameslord1> hi [14:40:21] <RoanKattouw> 2012/02/14 22:37:57 [error] 14336#0: *146 FastCGI sent in stderr: "PHP Fatal error: Call to undefined function error_reporing() in /home/jack/home/workspace/php/mediawiki/wiki/LocalSettings.php on line 12 [14:40:28] <hashar> there is a typo there :) [14:40:39] <jameslord1> why my mw page is blank? http://paste.ubuntu.com/841746/ [14:40:39] <RoanKattouw> Edit LocalSettings.php and fix line 12 to say 'error_reporting' instead of 'error_reporing' (missing t in 'report') [14:40:40] <hashar> error_reporting() // you missed a T [14:40:44] <RoanKattouw> jameslord1: ---^^ [14:40:50] <hashar> in LocalSettings.php line 12 [14:41:43] <hashar> I am not sure why you have stick an error_reporting() there though [14:42:22] <RoanKattouw> It's probably error_reporting(E_ALL); taken from the [[How to debug]] page or something [14:43:36] <jameslord1> hashar dude, i know the problem now, the mode of LocalSetting.php should be 664, not 600 :) [14:44:12] <Joeytje50> anyway guys is there something you could change in the abusefilter extension which would allow you to prevent certain user block actions? [14:45:47] <sumanah> Joeytje50: why don't you simply only give admin rights to people you really trust? [14:46:11] <Joeytje50> trust me, it's hard enough to be trusted on this wiki [14:46:17] <Joeytje50> but people can get hacked [14:47:19] <jameslord1> hi [14:47:30] <Gob-> Hello, i've got a question [14:47:51] <Gob-> does http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ConfirmAccount work with the new version? [14:48:15] <Gob-> a user reported problem on the talkpage [14:48:16] <Gob-> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension_talk:ConfirmAccount#Problem_with_1.18x [14:50:16] <Gob-> any developer here? [14:50:55] <Lcawte> It should do, or they wouldn't distribute that extension with Core.. [14:52:13] <RoanKattouw> That doesn't look like a compatibility problem offhand [14:52:25] <RoanKattouw> but I could be wrong [14:53:48] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Upload Wizard - The file you submitted was empty - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34387 04CRIT->normal (10Sam Reed (reedy)) [14:54:05] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Oracle installer throw SET CONSTRAINTS ALL DEFERRED PL/SQL error - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34280 +postgresql (10Antoine "hashar" Musso) [14:54:49] <Reedy> hashar: Oracle != Postrgres [14:54:56] <Reedy> Bad user object being passed to the hook seemingly [14:54:58] <hashar> ahh wrong bug :) [14:55:18] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Oracle installer throw SET CONSTRAINTS ALL DEFERRED PL/SQL error - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34280 -postgresql (10Antoine "hashar" Musso) [14:55:34] <hashar> and I have lost the bug I wanted to add that keyword for [14:55:37] <hashar> .. [14:57:06] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Enable emailing password based on email address - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34386 normal->15enhancement (10Sam Reed (reedy)) [15:05:49] <fossrox> i found a bug and posted a solution at https://pms.rbose.org/issues/209 , but i noticed that when i look for a link Special:LinkSearch which i know it does exist, i still cannot find it, i tried with api and with api it does not work as well - question: do we need run any update script or anything after changing $wgUrlProtocols? the links i'm looking for are using just http protocol [15:06:13] <Platonides> I think you will need to rebuild the link table [15:06:22] <codurr> 03ialex * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111463> 10/trunk/phase3/includes/WikiPage.php: Also call $this->clear() from WikiPage::doDeleteUpdates() so that the object is in a consistent state after deletion [15:06:28] <fossrox> Platonides, how can i do that? [15:06:40] <Platonides> btw, your https certificate is expired [15:06:55] <fossrox> thx, will try to fix that [15:06:57] <Platonides> plus selfsigned, plus grong [15:07:29] <fossrox> oh, you may just use http://pms.rbose.org/issues/209 [15:07:37] <fossrox> sorry [15:08:45] <Platonides> you just removed the \? at the end of magnet: ? [15:08:58] <Platonides> and its presence made every string to be a link? [15:09:47] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Create Wikisource in Belarusian - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34351 normal->15enhancement (10Sam Reed (reedy)) [15:09:55] <wikibugs> 03(mod) php session dir error just as downloading LocalSettings.php - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34376 +upstream; +comment (10Antoine "hashar" Musso) [15:09:55] <fossrox> i did not check that, but i can right now, what i did i changed the string into an array [15:11:42] <queeble> Hello! I want to delete viewcount from the footer of mediawiki. In the manual, it says to do this by editing page Mediawiki:Viewcount, but I can't save this page as blank, and if I delete it the viewcount reverts back to the default. What can I do? [15:12:04] <Platonides> queeble, save a - [15:12:05] <fossrox> Platonides, if i remove \? , the page will be back messed up: http://rbose.org/wiki/api.php [15:12:27] <fossrox> so seems it has to be an array [15:12:32] <queeble> Platonides, that works but it kind of messes up the formatting and spacing in the footer. Is there any more complete way to do it? [15:13:20] <fossrox> Platonides, and the protocols are gone from here: http://rbose.org/wiki/index.php?title=Special:LinkSearch [15:14:01] <queeble> oh, I guess I can just hide it with css from the default stylesheet [15:14:02] <fossrox> i will reverse it now to the array [15:14:23] <Platonides> the default $wgUrlProtocols is an array() [15:14:50] <Platonides> seems that you customized it to add magned [15:15:07] <fossrox> yes, and mumble [15:15:32] <Platonides> $wgUrlProtocols[] = 'mumble://'; [15:15:36] <Platonides> $wgUrlProtocols[] = 'magnet:'; [15:15:45] <Platonides> would have worked without making you copy the old ones [15:16:03] <fossrox> yes, thanks :) [15:16:21] <queeble> it works! [15:16:48] <fossrox> could you please give me a hint how can i rebuild the link table? [15:17:42] <MaxSem> php maintenace/rebuildall.php [15:18:00] <fossrox> thanks! [15:18:02] <MaxSem> s/maintenace/maintenance/ [15:18:11] <Platonides> I'm trying to reproduce it, but I don't get that behavior on setting $wgUrlProtocols to what you had [15:18:49] <Platonides> MediaWiki: 1.16.5 [15:18:57] <Platonides> that's "a bit" old, cough [15:19:44] <fossrox> yeah, will need to update [15:27:34] <wikibugs> 03(mod) multi file selection with FF10 fails - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34333 +comment (10saibotrash) [15:40:08] <wikibugs> 03(FIXED) Create a new books namespace on he.wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34342 +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy)) [15:41:00] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Create Wikisource in Belarusian - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34351 +comment (10p.selitskas) [15:45:23] <codurr> 03gwicke * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111464> 10/trunk/extensions/VisualEditor/modules/parser/pegTokenizer.pegjs.txt: [15:45:23] <codurr> Fix named wikilink options (image options really) in template arguments, and [15:45:23] <codurr> speed up template parameter parsing by eliminating some backtracking. 238 [15:45:23] <codurr> tests passing (unchanged). [15:47:56] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Rename namespaces on mr.wikisource.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34378 summary (10Sam Reed (reedy)) [15:50:04] <wikibugs> 03(FIXED) Rename namespaces on mr.wikisource.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34378 +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy)) [15:54:31] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Create a new books namespace on he.wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34342 +comment (10wiki.tomer) [16:06:44] <wikibugs> 03(mod) IPv6 blocks don't work - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34362 +comment (10sam) [16:19:25] <codurr> 03reedy * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111465> 10/trunk/extensions/GlobalBlocking/ (6 files): [16:19:25] <codurr> Reduce global (ab)use [16:19:25] <codurr> Various code updates [16:19:25] <codurr> Trim trailing whitespace [16:20:13] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Add support for non-Arabic number systems - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34193 +comment (10mah) [16:22:18] <sumanah> JeroenDeDauw: hey, https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Summer_of_Code_2012&curid=62493&diff=499344&oldid=499343 - mind if I remove this idea from the main MediaWiki ideas pg since it's a Semantic thing & in http://semantic-mediawiki.org/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code_2012 ? [16:26:26] <JeroenDeDauw> sumanah: I don't see why you would do this - this extension might have semantic in it's name, but has no people in the SMW community that care much about it [16:26:26] <JeroenDeDauw> SMW is applying separately for GSoC, but why would this affect everything that has "semantic" in it? SS is not part of SMW. [16:28:49] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Descriptionless files - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/32551 +comment (10yannfo) [16:29:41] <sumanah> JeroenDeDauw: I was under the impression that everything that had "Semantic" in its name was part of SMW. [16:30:02] <sumanah> (Every MW extension that has Semantic in its name, anyway.) [16:30:14] <Yaron> Well, it depends on what is meant by "SMW". "Semantic MediaWiki" can refer to both the single extension, and the family of extensions around it. [16:30:31] <JeroenDeDauw> SMW is a single extension [16:30:44] <JeroenDeDauw> Just like MW = core and not core + all extensions [16:32:28] <Yaron> JeroenDeDauw - well, I'd say it's a little more ambiguous than that (for the case of "MW" as well). [16:33:36] <Raylton> since they are talking about this ...Is there any way to make compatible with semanticmediawiki http://schema.org/? [16:34:47] <Raylton> and also a way to exchange information with them so you can enter data normally present in infobox? [16:36:14] <Yaron> Raylton - that's an interesting question, and I think the answer is no - I don't think SMW can put in microformat tags of any kind, schema.org or otherwise. [16:36:27] <Yaron> It can put in RDFa, via another extension, but that's different. [16:37:36] <Yaron> ...though you actually don't need SMW to do it - you can just put in the tags directly, using an extension like Widgets. [16:38:21] <sumanah> Yaron: I was thinking of the family of Semantic extensions. [16:38:37] <sumanah> Perhaps "Semantic bundle" is the term I should use? [16:39:19] <Yaron> Sort of... not really, since that's a specific set. Unfortunately, there's no good word or phrase, other than maybe "SMW family". [16:39:27] <Yaron> ...which nobody uses, except for me, sometimes. [16:42:33] <Raylton> Yaron, but it is similar to schema.org? is there how create a list of common terms and infobox for articles, books and citations related smw or extension? [16:42:55] <sumanah> Yaron: Ah, ok. So, would it be reasonable to say that the SMW GSoC application is only covering the Semantic MediaWiki extension specifically, and that you would be ok with other proposals having to do with related semantic extensions go into either GSoC mentoring organization's bucket? [16:43:42] <Yaron> Raylton - well, schema.org just defines a set of HTML, basically. Or HTML-like tags. So it's just a matter of getting them into the HTML produced by the wiki; SMW doesn't need to be involved with that. [16:44:55] <Raylton> Yaron, i understand. [16:44:56] <Yaron> sumanah - that's Jeroen's opinion, I guess - personally, I would have kept the SemanticSignup thing on the SMW application, but I guess there hasn't been any central decision about that. [16:46:54] <Raylton> Yaron, which is the main reason for smw be dangerous in large wikis? has to do with the parser? or run time? or what? [16:47:54] <Yaron> Who said it was dangerous? :) [16:48:35] <sumanah> JeroenDeDauw: Yaron: OK. I can anticipate that students who see that specific item on https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Summer_of_Code_2012 will think that they ought to apply for it *through the MediaWiki mentoring organization* when it actually might be better suited to mentorship via one of the mentors who's signed up via the SMW org, such as one of you, or Markus. Would you mind if I made a note to that effect on that particular item? [16:51:32] <Raylton> Yaron, I think I read somewhere ... we did not know how to behave on large wikis like Wikipedia. [16:52:20] <Yaron> Raylton - right, okay. Well, the danger is that it will slow down performance, and that's due to queries of the data. [16:54:35] <Raylton> Yaron, was what I thought... [16:55:45] <Yaron> sumanah - I'll get back to you on that. [16:55:52] <sumanah> OK, thanks Yaron. [16:56:38] <sumanah> btw JeroenDeDauw remember how we talked a little bit in January about a SMW bug triage sometime soon? What week is good for you on that? [16:56:53] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Enable emailing password based on email address - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34386 +comment (10matthew.flaschen) [16:57:09] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Add support for non-Arabic number systems - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34193 +comment (10jayantanth) [16:58:51] <JeroenDeDauw> sumanah: I will not have time for such a thing in the coming month, after that I don't know [16:58:59] <sumanah> JeroenDeDauw: We could start by prioritizing the unprioritized bugs (59) at https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/buglist.cgi?priority=Unprioritized&query_format=advanced&list_id=89709&component=Semantic%20MediaWiki&resolution=---&product=MediaWiki%20extensions -- I remember we talked about how this would be helpful, to help clear the way [16:59:27] <sumanah> JeroenDeDauw: I figure it would take about an hour. Still too much time for you in the next 4 weeks? [17:00:54] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Add support for non-Arabic number systems - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34193 +comment (10jayantanth) [17:01:37] <Raylton> Yaron, Else, is there any way to make semantic data to specialpages also something like the intersection between Special:ProtectedPages and Special:Uncategorizedpages? [17:02:20] <Yaron> Raylton - sorry, I don't understand the question. [17:03:36] <shantanoo> sumanah: hello [17:03:37] <shantanoo> :D [17:03:48] <sumanah> hi shantanoo! [17:04:38] <sumanah> shantanoo: did you reach out to Chris and Gerard? [17:05:52] <Raylton> Yaron, an intersection in specialpage, for exemple, between Special:ProtectedPages and Special:Uncategorizedpages wiki samanticmediawiki? [17:06:21] <shantanoo> sumanah: i sent test email to Chris. but for few days am busy with writing code for migrating few pages from mrwibooks to mrwikisource and setting up the mrwikisource... [17:06:35] <sumanah> chrismcmahon: ^^^ [17:06:42] <sumanah> good luck, shantanoo. [17:07:05] <sumanah> shantanoo: if you want the localisation development team to fix problems you notice, I HIGHLY recommend you get in touch with Gerard. [17:07:05] <Raylton> Yaron, you understand? [17:07:07] <Yaron> Raylton - in general, data specific to the wiki (like "this page is protected") is different from the kind of data that SMW stores. [17:07:12] <Betacommand> !noc [17:07:12] <mw-bot> All configuration is done in LocalSettings.php (near the end of the file). Editing other files means modifying the software. Default settings are not in LocalSettings.php, you can look in DefaultSettings.php. See <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Configuring_MediaWiki>, <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:LocalSettings.php>, <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Config_script>, and <http://noc.wikimedia.org/conf> [17:07:25] <Yaron> SMW is mostly intended for storing real-world data, not wiki-specific data. [17:07:25] <shantanoo> sumanah: sure [17:09:33] <wikibugs> 04(REOPENED) Validator extension: A new "page" type. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33420 +comment (10Van de Bugger) [17:10:07] <Raylton> Yaron, I know but, I think this functionality would be very interesting ... [17:10:48] <JeroenDeDauw> sumanah: sure, going over the bugs & prioritizing will be helpful. I can make time for that, but don't see how I could use your help for doing that. [17:10:56] <codurr> 03maxsem * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111466> 10/trunk/extensions/MobileFrontend/ (5 files): Support for returning WML [17:11:04] <MaxSem> pheww [17:11:17] <wikibugs> 03(NEW) Special:Hieroglyphs loads into a long page and then shrinks down - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34396 minor; MediaWiki extensions: WikiHiero; (sam) [17:11:19] <Yaron> Raylton - well, feel free to suggest it... in general, the DPL extension(s) are the bettr tool for that kind of thing. [17:12:15] <sumanah> JeroenDeDauw: People find it's useful to have the TL;DR team publicize these kinds of events, bring interested new contributors in to see possible opportunities for small bugs to fix, help document the result of the triage, and connect in relevant experts [17:14:02] <Raylton> Yaron, I think it's nice... imagine all the lists could be viewed as semantic data. it would be very nice and helpful. [17:15:04] <Yaron> That's really what DPL is for. [17:15:26] <wikibugs> 03(mod) SemanticMediaWiki: Canonical namespace names are set incorrectly. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34383 +comment (10van.de.bugger) [17:16:40] <inderit> hello [17:17:28] <JeroenDeDauw> sumanah: that's a neat team name :D [17:17:28] <JeroenDeDauw> sumanah: Sure. So what do you want me to do then? Ping you after I prioritized the bugs? [17:17:51] <Raylton> Yaron, no. list is just one example, but I understand what you mean = D [17:19:45] <Lcawte> wow, that php conference thing is �140 a day... [17:20:19] <Nikerabbit> one would think that you get get food and accommodation and massage for every day for that price [17:21:21] <Reedy> Lcawte: and relatively, that isn't that expensive [17:21:24] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Validator extension: A new "page" type. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33420 +comment (10jeroen_dedauw) [17:21:49] <sumanah> hi inderit [17:21:51] <Nikerabbit> yup [17:22:20] <Lcawte> I could get a graphics card for that, and that normally lasts longer ^.^ [17:22:21] <JeroenDeDauw> sumanah: do you know how I need to poke to have a component added in bugzilla? I forgot. Was it robla? [17:23:15] <sumanah> JeroenDeDauw: well, I was thinking, you would tell me when you wanted to do the prioritization, then I would publicize the session. I'd try to get other Semantic-family-related people there. Then you would do it live in IRC, and if people had questions they could ask you in realtime. [17:23:18] <wikibugs> 03(mod) SemanticMediaWiki: Canonical namespace names are set incorrectly. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34383 +comment (10jeroen_dedauw) [17:23:35] <sumanah> JeroenDeDauw: it's hexmode [17:24:26] <JeroenDeDauw> sumanah: how much in advance do you need to know that? [17:24:39] <sumanah> JeroenDeDauw: 2 days? [17:25:31] <JeroenDeDauw> hexmode: can you add the Validator extension in bugzilla? [17:25:33] <hexmode> JeroenDeDauw: just file a bug against bugzilla itself to have a component added. Chad or I will do it :) [17:25:59] <hexmode> JeroenDeDauw: or you could ask just like that [17:26:03] <JeroenDeDauw> hexmode: :) [17:26:13] <hexmode> it wasn't already in there? [17:26:19] <hexmode> weird [17:26:29] <JeroenDeDauw> Yeah, I was surprised as well [17:27:23] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Rename namespaces on mr.wikisource.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34378 +comment (10shantanoo) [17:27:50] <JeroenDeDauw> sumanah: let's do that next month then, after the next rel of SMW, after I moved to Berlin and after I finished most work on EducationProgram [17:28:57] <RoanKattouw> Oh, you're moving to Berlin? [17:28:59] <RoanKattouw> Cool! [17:29:09] <Raylton> hexmode, I wanted to put me in contact with the personal collection of extension? because I'll be working on a new version of BookManager using the database, so plan to merge the current version with the collection... [17:29:25] <hexmode> Raylton: sure [17:29:49] <Raylton> hexmode, we talk about it in wikibooks/wikisource triage [17:30:26] <hexmode> merging book manager, yeah, I remember :) [17:30:44] <hexmode> It looks like you guys had fun with swift recently, too [17:32:01] <hexmode> JeroenDeDauw: updated [17:32:15] * sumanah waits for lag to resolve [17:33:36] <hexmode> Raylton: So, you wanted me to put you in contact with the people working on Collection? Or to just add you to the bugzilla component? [17:35:14] <wikibugs> 03(FIXED) Table sorter should support mixed strings and numbers in one column - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31137 +comment (10reza1615) [17:35:44] <wikibugs> 04(REOPENED) Blank page after activating MobileFrontend - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34388 +comment (10Uwe Kaminski) [17:36:23] <Raylton> only put me in contact, i not do anything until I have solved some bugs of BookManager [17:36:39] <sumanah> thank you Raylton [17:36:49] <sumanah> good luck with the move, JeroenDeDauw [17:37:30] <Raylton> hexmode, [17:37:41] <sumanah> JeroenDeDauw: go ahead and pick a day that works for you, email me about it, and I'll publicize etc. [17:38:01] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Validator extension: A new "page" type. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33420 (10Jeroen De Dauw) [17:38:26] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Validator extension: A new "page" type. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33420 (10Jeroen De Dauw) [17:38:46] <hexmode> Raylton: I'm still confused, you want me to put you in the CC list? [17:38:50] <Nikerabbit> hi hexmode [17:38:59] <JeroenDeDauw> hexmode: thnx [17:39:02] <JeroenDeDauw> sumanah: thnx, sure [17:39:05] <hexmode> Nikerabbit: hey! fun day! [17:39:16] <Nikerabbit> mmmmm I like: from sauna to balcony when there is strong wind and snowing [17:39:30] <Nikerabbit> hexmode: who can configure twn nagios checks? [17:40:35] <hexmode> Nikerabbit: I can... what do you need. I can also give your contact info to another guy who I've gotten recently to help with nagios [17:40:56] <hexmode> Nikerabbit: I could also give you sudo on my server if you want to do it [17:41:27] <Nikerabbit> hexmode: I'm retiring our tmserver service [17:41:46] <hexmode> k, I'll remove it [17:43:30] <Raylton> hexmode, my English is really bad ... I want to do is talk to them but do not know where to find them. And like you said something related to this, thought you could help [17:44:04] <wikibugs> 03(mod) SMW: [[Corresponds to::0 xxx]] causes divizion by zero, internal error message and PHP stack dump - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/32594 +comment (10van.de.bugger) [17:44:04] <hexmode> Raylton: np. I think I can introduce you. [18:00:32] <wikibugs> 04(REOPENED) Rename namespaces on mr.wikisource.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34378 +comment (10Shantanoo) [18:00:53] <wikibugs> 03(mod) activating Extension:FormatNum in fa.wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/32311 +comment (10reza.energy) [18:03:43] <shantanoo> sumanah: if you have some time, you may verify the namespace request. my latest comment on https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34378 [18:04:05] <sumanah> shantanoo: I'm sorry, I'm not sure what you mean. [18:04:09] * sumanah looks [18:04:40] <sumanah> shantanoo: you should probably talk to Gerard or Chris about that, because I don't have any expertise in this. [18:04:46] <shantanoo> sumanah: np. [18:05:14] <hexmode> Raylton: is helder.wiki still working on BookManager with you? [18:05:46] <hexmode> I'd like to CC him, too [18:11:30] <Raylton> hexmode, Yes helder.wiki is a mathematician I would not do anything without him [18:11:50] <hexmode> :) [18:12:04] <codurr> 03jeroendedauw * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111468> 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ (AutoLoader.php DBDataObject.php DBTable.php): follow up to r111264; split up class into one representing a table and one representing rows. Also getting rid of staticness, in particular LSB, so this becomes PHP 5.2 compatible. Not done yet, will follow up later [18:12:25] <codurr> 03jeroendedauw * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111469> 10/trunk/extensions/EducationProgram/ (19 files in 2 dirs): follow up to r111468 [18:16:07] <hexmode> Raylton: sent [18:19:33] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Rename namespaces on mr.wikisource.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34378 +comment (10shantanoo) [18:19:45] <Raylton> hexmode, Thank you so much... I enjoyed the message =D [18:20:08] <hexmode> :) [18:20:16] <shantanoo> anyone around who can help with namespace? [18:33:31] <codurr> 03tparscal * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111470> 10/trunk/extensions/Narayam/resources/ext.narayam.core/ext.narayam.core.js: Fix for r110745, which worked but was maximally verbose. [18:34:11] <wikibugs> 03(FIXED) [SF] Special:RunQuery forms should not show "Edit" links on section headings. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33812 +comment (10Yaron Koren) [18:41:10] <jere_n> hey, looking for some advice here [18:41:36] <jere_n> would this https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14950 be too much to take on for a GSoC project? [18:43:56] <jere_n> don't actually know how much it'd cover (meaning how many things depend on it, or it depends on) [18:54:05] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Rename namespaces on mr.wikisource.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34378 +comment (10shantanoo) [19:00:54] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Rename namespaces on mr.wikisource.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34378 +comment (10sam) [19:02:58] <fossrox> Platonides, are you maybe still around? i did run rebuildall.php, no errors, but i still cannot find many links on the wiki somehow [19:04:40] <codurr> 03yonishostak * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111471> 10/trunk/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5/ (6 files in 4 dirs): AFTv5: intermittent commit for developers sync-up [19:05:51] <MarkvA> Is anyone around to help me with using jQuery AJAX in MediaWiki? [19:13:55] <lalarou> Join our Poker community -use our rakeback offers and get back up $1000 per month ! [19:13:56] <lalarou> http://rakenews.com [19:14:51] <codurr> 03emsmith * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111472> 10/trunk/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5/ (6 files in 3 dirs): (log message trimmed) [19:14:51] <codurr> bug 34090 - Added an additional column in the main feedback table to keep a [19:14:51] <codurr> count of the number of activities which have happened for each piece of feedback [19:14:51] <codurr> - this should be equivalent to running a "count(*)" on the logging table for a [19:14:52] <codurr> specific piece of feedback. Made sure the counter is incremented when a new log [19:14:53] <codurr> entry concerning activity is added. Created a new api to get an html block of [19:14:54] <codurr> activity for use on the feedback page. Returns a json object with "activity" = [19:18:27] <Ulfr_> Hello all, I was wondering if anyone knew of an effective wiki way to strip a variable number of charachters from the beginning of a string [19:22:33] <tale> Ulfr_: Are you programmin in PHP? [19:22:38] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Upload Wizard - The file you submitted was empty - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34387 (10ineuw) [19:23:01] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Upload Wizard - The file you submitted was empty - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34387 normal->major (10ineuw) [19:25:53] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Tag <dws> for discarding whitespaces. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31865 +comment (10van.de.bugger) [19:26:33] <codurr> 03emsmith * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111473> 10/USERINFO/emsmith: userinfo for emsmith [19:27:46] <Ulfr_> tale: I can be, I was hoping there was a wikicode way of doing so to keep things a little neater [19:28:15] <MaxSem> Ulfr_, ParserFunctions with string functions enabled can do this [19:29:15] <Ulfr_> MaxSem: Thanks! [19:31:26] <robla> hexmode: could you rerun the revision report? [19:34:29] <Krenair> Have any ops considered preventing _D-Boy_ from continually rejoining? [19:34:45] <Krenair> continuously* [19:38:46] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Validator extension: A new "page" type. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33420 +comment (10van.de.bugger) [19:42:52] <wikibugs> 03(mod) SemanticForms: Partial forms and nested templates. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34326 +comment (10yaron57) [19:46:10] * jorm tries to delete the main page on test2. fails. [19:49:06] <sumanah> chrismcmahon: hey, so, you want to walk through the names of some volunteer testers? [19:49:57] <chrismcmahon> sumanah: not at the moment, test2 is up with 1.19 [19:50:32] <sumanah> ok, chrismcmahon, I'll email them myself to ask them to test, include a link to your test charter, & cc you [19:50:40] <chrismcmahon> sure, thanks [19:51:12] <chrismcmahon> sumanah: I'm unclear on what some of the new 1.19 features should be doing, made notes in the charters page [19:52:21] <Reedy> link? [19:53:50] <sumanah> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki_1.19/Feature_Test_Charters [19:53:53] <sumanah> Reedy: ^^ [19:54:18] <sumanah> btw Reedy maybe you can answer https://blog.wikimedia.org/2012/02/11/mediawiki-1-19-deployment/comment-page-1/#comment-82763 [19:56:21] <Reedy> sumanah: IIRC, it's from when you have hosts that override the 404 handler, so returning 200 allows MW to keep in control and display a more useful 404 [19:56:22] <Joan> > What would be a reason to want nonexistent articles to return OK status? [19:56:38] <Joan> There's a great big bug about that. [19:56:42] <sumanah> Reedy: I meant, answer it in the comments; no need for me to be your relay [19:56:45] <Joan> I didn't know a configuration variable had been added. [19:57:31] <codurr> 03emsmith * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111474> 10/trunk/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5/api/ApiFlagFeedbackArticleFeedbackv5.php: bug 34090 - remove a todo - take the note from the flag submission and save it properly, use the feedback length configuration item to chop it if a length is set, 0 means no check [19:57:31] <Reedy> Keep up Joan [19:57:45] <codurr> 03jpostlethwaite * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111475> 10/trunk/extensions/LastModified/LastModified.i18n.php: Updating english messages to use PLURAL for LastModified extension. See r99522. [19:58:06] <Joan> Never. [19:58:12] <Joan> I was considering writing a script today. [19:59:15] <hexmode> robla: I've been re-running the revision report every few minutes, but toolserver db seems to lag [19:59:50] <robla> oh bummer [20:00:36] <Reedy> Joan: don't suppose you know which bug number it is do you? [20:01:13] <Joan> Reedy: http://www.google.com/webhp?q=mediawiki%20should%20send%20404%20bugzilla [20:01:30] <Joan> https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2585 :-) [20:01:42] <Reedy> Haha [20:01:43] <Reedy> Nice [20:02:11] <Joan> hurr [20:02:12] <codurr> durr [20:02:16] <wikibugs> 04(REOPENED) Create a new books namespace on he.wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34342 +comment (10Tomer A.) [20:02:28] * Joan snuggles codurr. [20:02:28] * codurr snuggles Joan. [20:02:32] <Joan> You're my only true friend. [20:03:06] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Fallback languages for CentralNotice - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/17107 +comment (10rkaldari) [20:03:51] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Fallback languages for CentralNotice - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/17107 15enhancement->normal (10Ryan Kaldari) [20:05:18] <Raylton> guys, I already have an algorithm that automatically add a category for chapters of a book I was wondering if it is possible to delete, move, and watch the pages of a category at once ? there is something wrong with trying to do this? [20:05:44] <codurr> 03maxsem * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111476> 10/trunk/extensions/MobileFrontend/ApiParseExtender.php: Added the ability to enable expandable sections in API [20:06:13] <Joan> MaxSem: No api dir? [20:06:51] <MaxSem> not needed while there's even not a single separate module [20:07:00] <MaxSem> just one core module extended [20:07:15] <MaxSem> it's pointless to create a dir just for one file [20:07:17] <wikibugs> 03(NEW) "Simple" skin not correct for multiple browsers - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34397 major; MediaWiki: User interface; (cmcmahon) [20:07:22] <Joan> Fair enough. [20:07:25] <Joan> Is mobile getting an API? [20:07:52] <Joan> javascripts/, heh. [20:08:03] <MaxSem> yup [20:08:17] <MaxSem> as the matter of fact... [20:08:18] <Joan> That's kind of like naming a directory pythons/. [20:08:19] <Raylton> someone can help me? please [20:08:25] <Joan> Raylton: Ask your question. [20:08:30] <Joan> Oh, you did. [20:09:00] <Joan> Raylton: No, categories aren't as flexible as that. [20:09:13] <Joan> If you want to rename a category, you have to update every page that uses that category with the new name. [20:09:16] <Joan> Same with deletion. [20:09:23] <Joan> And same with re-categorizing. [20:09:31] <Joan> There's no secret interface that makes it less horrible. [20:09:35] <wikibugs> 03(FIXED) API support for useformat=mobile - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/32624 +comment (10Max Semenik) [20:09:43] <Joan> You can do things in templates to make the updates easier, I suppose. [20:10:13] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Rename namespaces on mr.wikisource.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34378 +comment (10shantanoo) [20:14:00] <Raylton> Joan, I know how the system works today. I wanted to know is whether it is advisable to implement this with the categories. exist a problem for which the feature was not implemented? or if it was only because no one tried this? [20:14:56] * Joan blinks. [20:15:20] <Joan> I'm not sure much of that was parseable. [20:15:56] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Create a new books namespace on he.wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34342 +comment (10sam) [20:17:28] <codurr> 03aaron * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111477> 10/trunk/extensions/SwiftMedia/wmf/rewrite.py: Pass in agent, XFF, and origin headers to scalers [20:17:40] <Raylton> Joan, ok, do you know someone who can help me? [20:18:04] <Joan> Not if you're going to write sentences like "exist a problem for which..." [20:18:06] <wikibugs> 03(NEW) "Nostalgia" skin broken for multiple browsers - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34398 major; MediaWiki: User preferences; (cmcmahon) [20:18:36] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Rename namespaces on mr.wikisource.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34378 +comment (10sam) [20:19:31] <sumanah> Raylton: if no one here has help for you, you might try mediawiki-l. [20:19:35] <sumanah> !lists | Raylton [20:19:35] <mw-bot> Raylton: mediawiki-l and wikitech-l are the primary mailing lists for MediaWiki-related issues. See https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Mailing_lists for details. [20:19:43] <sumanah> And I can help look over your email before you send it, if you want. [20:20:20] <wikibugs> 14(INVALID) "Nostalgia" skin broken for multiple browsers - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34398 +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy)) [20:20:20] <Joan> I suppose you oculd use AJAX. [20:20:22] <Joan> could [20:20:42] <sumanah> Raylton: I don't remember what your native language is, I'm sorry to say, but there is also #mediawiki-es and #mediawiki-it for Spanish and for Italian. [20:20:44] <Reedy> chrismcmahon: ^ Can you please confirm against say enwiki for these sorts of things. [20:20:46] <Joan> List category members and put (delete) | (move) | (watch) links next to each member. [20:21:00] <codurr> 03hashar * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111478> 10/trunk/phase3/maintenance/purgeList.php: enable purge of HTTPS URLs [20:21:30] <codurr> 03aaron * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111479> 10/trunk/extensions/SwiftMedia/wmf/rewrite.py: Make URI regex failures give 404 per tim [20:21:31] <chrismcmahon> Reedy: I checked vs. mw.o, did I miss something? [20:21:42] <Joan> https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=ORACLE_PAGE&action=history [20:21:43] <Reedy> chrismcmahon: for nostalgia, that's correct [20:21:45] <Joan> What is that? [20:22:22] <chrismcmahon> Reedy: sure looks a lot nicer on mw.o, and the row of langs only appears once, not twice. [20:23:00] <Joan> chrismcmahon: Is https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/ORACLE_PAGE a test page? [20:23:04] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Create a new books namespace on he.wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34342 +comment (10wiki.tomer) [20:23:20] <codurr> 03hashar * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111480> 10/branches/wmf/1.18wmf1/maintenance/purgeList.php: [20:23:20] <codurr> MFT to 1.18wmf r111478 [20:23:20] <codurr> enable purge of HTTPS URLs [20:23:37] <chrismcmahon> Joan, it is [20:23:42] <ethanolj> I'm looking for the best way to embed a MP4 video within a MediaWiki page...all of the extensions i'm finding don't seem to support MP4 files... [20:23:51] <shantanoo> Reedy: can i pm you? [20:23:55] <Raylton> sumanah, my native language is portuguese, forgive my bad english I try to do the best I can [20:23:56] <Joan> chrismcmahon: I'm going to delete it now. Unless you'd like it in your user space? [20:24:08] <codurr> 03kaldari * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111481> 10/trunk/extensions/CentralNotice/special/SpecialNoticeTemplate.php: display message language name in the users language, not the language of the message. correcting comment. [20:24:09] <Reedy> chrismcmahon: because on mw.org it's in a fancy textbox [20:24:14] <Reedy> Not using MW itself for the link handling [20:24:18] <chrismcmahon> Joan: I should have put it in my user space, thanks [20:24:22] <Reedy> No language links are shown on the left hand side [20:24:26] <Reedy> shantanoo: sure [20:24:31] <sumanah> Raylton: I forgive you, worry not. [20:24:36] <chrismcmahon> Reedy: got it thx [20:24:53] <sumanah> Raylton: Your English is far better than my nonexistent Portugese! [20:25:11] <Reedy> Simple on the other hand, is messed up ;) [20:25:14] <sumanah> Raylton: it is a littttttle hard to understand you sometimes, though :( [20:25:34] <chrismcmahon> Reedy: I will be making some mistakes here, hope you bear with me. [20:25:58] <Reedy> sure, there'll likely be a few weird cases here and there [20:26:00] <Joan> Why are simple and nostalgia even still supported/ [20:26:02] <Joan> ? [20:26:04] <Reedy> nfi [20:26:07] <Joan> Just ignore them... [20:26:15] <Reedy> It's certainly not a major bug [20:26:18] <Joan> All nine users can fend for themselves. [20:26:35] <Reedy> I think I pulled figures for dantman for active users [20:26:36] <Joan> I don't really understand what a "feature test charter" is, but the page is using sentence case now. [20:26:42] <Joan> I should write a Meta-Wiki essay about sentence case. [20:27:33] <wikibugs> 03(mod) "Simple" skin not correct for multiple browsers - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34397 major->normal (10Sam Reed (reedy)) [20:28:00] <chrismcmahon> Joan: charters: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Session-based_testing [20:28:44] <wikibugs> 03(WONTFIX) "Simple" skin not correct for multiple browsers - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34397 +comment (10Daniel Friesen) [20:28:59] <Joan> Reedy: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Sentence_case [20:29:08] <Joan> chrismcmahon: Cool, thanks. :-) [20:29:15] <Reedy> gj [20:29:21] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Main Page tab in Telugu appears above the level of other tabs - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34395 (10Brion Vibber) [20:29:57] <Joan> I'm a master wiki editor. [20:30:14] <Joan> And a master wiki debator. [20:30:50] <codurr> 03tparscal * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111482> 10/trunk/extensions/VisualEditor/modules/ve/es/ (styles/ve.es.Content.css ve.es.Content.js): [20:30:50] <codurr> Changed the way widths are calculated when rendering lines of text. Now we let [20:30:50] <codurr> the browser do it's normal layout thing, and use a set of floated divs to figure [20:30:50] <codurr> out the effective line width. Using this technique, we pretty much support [20:30:51] <codurr> floating content from a rendering perspective. Interaction is still a problem [20:30:52] <codurr> however. [20:31:08] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Main Page tab in Telugu appears above the level of other tabs - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34395 +comment (10brion) [20:32:14] <codurr> 03hashar * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111483> 10/branches/wmf/1.19wmf1/maintenance/purgeList.php: [20:32:14] <codurr> MFT to 1.19wmf1: r111478 [20:32:14] <codurr> enable purge of HTTPS URLs [20:36:08] <mmovchin> Sumana here? [20:40:06] <wikibugs> 04(REOPENED) "Simple" skin not correct for multiple browsers - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34397 +comment (10Bawolff) [20:40:36] <wikibugs> 03(FIXED) Main Page tab in Telugu appears above the level of other tabs - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34395 +comment (10Brion Vibber) [20:43:06] <Reedy> mmovchin: nope, she left 15 minutes ago [20:46:25] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Special:Hieroglyphs loads into a long page and then shrinks down - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34396 +comment (10brion) [20:47:08] <wikibugs> 03(FIXED) Rename namespaces on mr.wikisource.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34378 +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy)) [20:47:22] <wikibugs> 03(FIXED) Create a new books namespace on he.wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34342 +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy)) [20:49:23] <codurr> 03brion * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111484> 10/trunk/extensions/wikihiero/SpecialHieroglyphs.php: [20:49:23] <codurr> * (bug 34396) Apply Special:Hieroglyphs CSS immediately [20:49:23] <codurr> Page may take a while to load, so make sure we load the styles for this page immediately. Puts a big box into an overflow scroll area instead of letting it make the page bigger and bigger and then shrinking down. [20:49:36] <wikibugs> 03(FIXED) Special:Hieroglyphs loads into a long page and then shrinks down - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34396 +comment (10Brion Vibber) [20:50:17] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Create a new books namespace on he.wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34342 +comment (10wiki.tomer) [20:52:43] <Akari_Ramos> Hello, I've been working to set up wiki on my internal lan. and I got the wiki itself up, and copied a bunch of pages from another wiki (with their permission) and made a few of my own. the odd thing is the pages I copied I can do a keyword search on. the ones I made I can't I can only search by page title. can anyone help me figure out what I'm missing? [20:53:09] <wikibugs> 03(mod) "Nostalgia" skin broken for multiple browsers - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34398 +comment (10sam) [20:54:17] <Lcawte> Its that day of the year that all the greetings card companies love... [20:54:58] <bawolff> Akari_Ramos: That's an interesting issue (I have no idea what's wrong, but sounds interesting) [20:56:23] <codurr> 03gwicke * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111485> 10/trunk/extensions/VisualEditor/modules/parser/ (13 files): Replace console.log with console.warn in all debug statements [20:58:02] <Akari_Ramos> yea and I can't see any thing differnt between the two pages when i go to edit them. [20:58:28] <mmovchin> Reedy: In which timezone does she live? Do you know that? [20:58:47] <Reedy> UTC-5 [20:59:03] <Reedy> so will likely be back in a bit, may have gone off irc during a meeting or something [20:59:32] <wikibugs> 03(mod) "Simple" skin not correct for multiple browsers - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34397 +comment (10brion) [20:59:39] <mmovchin> ok thanks [21:00:25] <mmovchin> ok so there is now 3pm [21:00:37] <mmovchin> Here in GMT+1 it's 10 pm :) [21:01:48] <JeroenDeDauw> Platonides: around? [21:02:30] <codurr> 03aaron * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111486> 10/branches/wmf/1.19wmf1/includes/ (4 files in 2 dirs): (bug 34285) - Make use of rev_sha1 per-wiki configurable. [21:02:40] <wikibugs> 03(FIXED) Make use of rev_sha1 per-wiki configurable - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34285 +comment (10Aaron Schulz) [21:03:50] <Reedy> AaronSchulz: zomg REGISTER_GLOBALS [21:03:53] <Reedy> ;) [21:05:00] <codurr> 03bawolff * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111487> 10/trunk/extensions/EtherpadLite/ (EtherpadLite.i18n.php EtherpadLite.php): follow-up r111437. I always forget the {{PLURAL's .... [21:06:25] <wikibugs> 03(mod) "Simple" skin not correct for multiple browsers - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34397 (10Rob Lanphier) [21:08:29] <codurr> 03gwicke * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111488> 10/trunk/extensions/VisualEditor/modules/parser/pegTokenizer.pegjs.txt: [21:08:29] <codurr> Port urlencoded char support to preprocessor-supporting link target [21:08:29] <codurr> production, and remove old link_target production. [21:12:41] <codurr> 03andrew * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111489> 10/USERINFO/andrew: Updated my userinfo. [21:13:17] <varnent> sumanah: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Git/New_extensions [21:13:50] <sumanah> um, varnent, are you seeing that db error? [21:14:15] <varnent> I am now…wasn't 10 seconds ago... [21:14:41] <sumanah> hexmode, chrismcmahon, do you see "Database error" on https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Git/New_extensions ? [21:14:49] <sumanah> it was transient. [21:15:03] <sumanah> damn, I shoulda copied the text at the time [21:15:33] <varnent> didn't think to do that either :( [21:15:41] <chrismcmahon> sumanah: I don't see a db error on that page [21:16:08] <sumanah> aha, it happened as I saved another page as well. chrismcmahon the error was -- [21:16:08] <sumanah> from within function "Revision::insertOn". Database returned error "1290: The MySQL server is running with the --read-only option so it cannot execute this statement (10.0.6.49)". [21:16:42] <codurr> 03jeroendedauw * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111490> 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ (DBDataObject.php DBTable.php): follow up to r111468 - moved a bunch of methods from DBDataObject to DBTable and some minor changes [21:16:46] <sumanah> it's fine now. [21:16:47] <bawolff> sumanah: well on the bright side, that's probably not mediawiki's fault ;) [21:17:00] <sumanah> yes! [21:17:18] <codurr> 03jeroendedauw * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111491> 10/trunk/extensions/EducationProgram/includes/ (EPCoursePager.php EPOrgPager.php EPPager.php): follow up to r111469 - pass instance of table instead of DBDataObject class name to the pager [21:17:55] <sumanah> varnent: seems good to me. [21:18:03] <sumanah> Add it to the git nav template/ [21:18:04] <sumanah> ? [21:18:18] <Reedy> sumanah: binasher is moving servers around for 1.19 schema changes [21:18:23] <Reedy> Might be a few transient issues [21:18:25] <sumanah> got it. [21:18:40] <fossrox> i checked my database, there are all external links present: with mysql i see all 3 results for the tested link but with Special:LinkSearch i get only one result, i check other links present with wiki, i get them with mysql but i don't get them at all with the Special:LinkSearch, any idea what can be the cause? [21:18:55] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Add support for non-Arabic number systems - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34193 +comment (10mah) [21:20:44] <fossrox> and seems that newly added links appear correctly, but i cannot get the older ones even if i resave a wiki page [21:24:09] <codurr> 03bsitu * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111492> 10/trunk/extensions/ArticleCreationWorkflow/ArticleCreationWorkflow.hooks.php: Only add the javascript module if user is able to create and edit the title [21:25:26] <codurr> 03raymond * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111493> 10/trunk/translatewiki/MediaWiki/mediawiki-defines.txt: r111471/r111472: Update ignore messages [21:25:56] <codurr> 03gwicke * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111494> 10/trunk/extensions/VisualEditor/modules/parser/pegTokenizer.pegjs.txt: [21:25:56] <codurr> Improve support for single-line attributes with preprocessor support. 243 [21:25:56] <codurr> tests passing. [21:26:02] <codurr> New code comment: ^demon; Not with parameters and such. In fact I'm not sure how doxygen will handle those inside the body of ; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111335#c30945> [21:26:17] <codurr> New code comment: ^demon; Exceptionally?; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111424#c30946> [21:30:22] <codurr> 03raymond * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111495> 10/trunk/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5/ArticleFeedbackv5.i18n.php: r111471: Remove fake message documentation. Confuses our translators. [21:31:02] <codurr> New code comment: Nikerabbit; <pre> \ - foreach ( $diProperties as $diProperty ) { \ + foreach ( $diProperties as $key => $diPropert; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111407#c30947> [21:31:05] * Lcawte kicks computer [21:31:20] <wikibugs> 03(NEW) translation for new special properties of SMW 1.7.1 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34399 normal; MediaWiki extensions: Semantic MediaWiki; (mediawiki) [21:31:35] <Lcawte> Webmin won't install, and my printing daemon won't print anything [21:32:28] <OffGridOps> sumanah, replying back to yesterday's ? Yes, I will be attending the Wikimania in DC [21:32:33] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Add support for non-Arabic number systems - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34193 +comment (10mah) [21:32:37] <sumanah> OffGridOps: that's cool [21:32:56] <codurr> 03bsitu * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111496> 10/trunk/extensions/ArticleCreationWorkflow/includes/ArticleCreationUtil.php: use the token generated by clickTracking for consistency [21:33:13] <wikibugs> 03(mod) add a variable and parser function for the namespace number - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34355 +comment (10brion) [21:33:18] <OffGridOps> sorry i bugged out i run a foreclosure outfit in the states I use MW on it and also on my other personal stuff [21:33:47] <codurr> New code comment: Nikerabbit; Why public? Don't we usually use hooks for these.; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111439#c30948> [21:39:03] <wikibugs> 03(mod) "Simple" skin not correct for multiple browsers - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34397 (10Rob Lanphier) [21:41:02] <sumanah> mdale: so, there's one patch awaiting review for OggHandler https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20279 I saw you said you need a Mac to test it [21:41:10] <sumanah> mdale: we have an account on a crossbrowsertesting service [21:41:31] <sumanah> thedj: can you still repro this bug? https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20279 [21:41:32] <codurr> New code comment: Nikerabbit; Can't the caller do this? Boolean parameters in functions calls are bad for readability.; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111456#c30949> [21:41:45] <codurr> 03jeroendedauw * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111497> 10/trunk/extensions/EducationProgram/includes/ (9 files): follow up to r111491, fix various issues due to refactoring [21:41:49] <mdale> well I have a mac now ;) [21:41:53] <sumanah> mdale: aha! [21:42:18] <codurr> New code comment: Nikerabbit; Welcome.; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111467#c30950> [21:42:31] <codurr> 03jeroendedauw * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111498> 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ (DBDataObject.php DBTable.php): follow up to r111468 - fixed various issues caused by refactoring [21:42:31] <mdale> so I could give a try there. But I think we are putting our eggs in the webm basket now days. … so a better bug would be to test the webm quicktime component . [21:44:50] <codurr> New code comment: Trevor Parscal; This works, but it should read more like this: \ // Remove the menu if already exists \ $( 'li#pt-w; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110745#c30951> [21:44:51] <codurr> 03raymond * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111499> 10/trunk/ (48 files in 32 dirs): Localisation updates for core and extension messages from translatewiki.net [21:45:03] <codurr> 03jeroendedauw * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111500> 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/languages/SMW_LanguageDe.php: patch from bug 34399 by [[kgh]] [21:45:33] <wikibugs> 03(FIXED) translation for new special properties of SMW 1.7.1 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34399 +comment (10Jeroen De Dauw) [21:46:47] <codurr> New code comment: Trevor Parscal; Seems like a justified evil. Could probably be refactored somehow, but atm, this looks fine to me.; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110592#c30952> [21:48:07] <varnent> sumanah: here we go - got the error again on enWP - Last attempted database query: (SQL query hidden) [21:48:07] <varnent> Function: GlobalUsage::moveTo [21:48:07] <varnent> MySQL error: 1290: The MySQL server is running with the --read-only option so it cannot execute this statement (10.0.6.32) [21:48:29] <sumanah> mmovchin: have you already applied for a https://wikimania2012.wikimedia.org/wiki/Scholarships ? [21:48:48] <codurr> New code comment: Brion VIBBER; Seems ok these days...; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/98500#c30953> [21:49:03] <codurr> New code comment: Trevor Parscal; This is very confusing to read because you are mixing concepts here, char codes and key codes. \ * Ch; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/109808#c30954> [21:49:08] <sumanah> mmovchin: also, since you are interested in developing Wikimedia technologies, you are invited to https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Berlin_Hackathon_2012 [21:49:10] <Reedy> varnent: there will be a few transient issues. Database updates are ongoing [21:49:32] <mmovchin> thank you sumanah [21:49:39] <mmovchin> I will look at that links :) [21:49:50] <varnent> Reedy: ty :) [21:50:47] <codurr> New code comment: Jeroen De Dauw; Abstract and non-static in r111468; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111305#c30955> [21:51:17] <codurr> New code comment: Brion VIBBER; was resolved r111218; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/98563#c30956> [21:51:33] <codurr> New code comment: Brion VIBBER; Issues appear to have been resolved.; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/98563#c30957> [21:52:47] <codurr> New code comment: Dantman; Got a better way to feature test than `isset( OutputPage::$metaAttrPrefixes ) && isset( OutputPage::; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111439#c30958> [21:52:57] <Dantman> Laaaaagg [21:55:32] <codurr> New code comment: Hashar; if ( $this->checkTitle( $title, $row->wl_namespace, $row->wl_title ) \ + && !$title->isTalkPage(; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111085#c30959> [21:56:17] <codurr> New code comment: Jpostlethwaite; PLURAL still does not seem to be fully functional in javascript. \ I am getting this output to pages:; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111475#c30960> [21:56:17] <codurr> New code comment: Jpostlethwaite; I tested this out and it did not seem to work properly. See r111475.; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/99522#c30961> [21:58:07] * AaronSchulz tosses https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111486 at reedy [22:00:33] <codurr> New code comment: MaxSem; > User->cleanupWatchlist() should be properly deprecated for back compatibility (it is a public func; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111085#c30962> [22:00:48] <codurr> New code comment: Bawolff; Don't worry, my fault, I'll fix it (always forget those pesky PLURAL's.) But yes it needs the <nowik; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111437#c30963> [22:00:48] <codurr> New code comment: Bawolff; The links come because it treats the error message as wikitext (due to the <code>->parse()</code>; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111437#c30964> [22:00:49] <sumanah> Platonides: you've been in this community for at least 4 years, right? [22:02:03] <codurr> New code comment: Hashar; > > User->cleanupWatchlist() should be properly deprecated for back compatibility (it is a public fu; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111085#c30965> [22:02:17] <codurr> New code comment: Hashar; > This code path is for updating of titles normalised by Title::secureAndSplit(), what's your defini; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111085#c30966> [22:04:19] <codurr> 03bsitu * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111501> 10/trunk/extensions/ArticleCreationWorkflow/ArticleCreationWorkflow.i18n.php: Update Wikipedia to {{SITENAME}} in language file [22:04:27] <Reedy> AaronSchulz: is there a reason for using the empty on $wmfUseRevSha1columns? [22:05:12] <AaronSchulz> no strong feeling either way...though $wmfUseRevSha1columns will net to be set if it's changed [22:05:33] <codurr> New code comment: Jeroen De Dauw; Well, I split up the class and got rid of the late static binding stuff (see follow up revs). There ; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111264#c30967> [22:05:34] <Reedy> I was going to default to true, and set enwiki false in InitialiseSettings [22:05:59] <Reedy> which should work anyway [22:06:17] <codurr> New code comment: ^demon; That count() function is kind of scary. There's a reason DatabaseBase::estimateRowCount() exists, si; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111264#c30968> [22:07:58] <Wikinaut> Q: where's the MediaWiki version number(Special:Version) coded ? In one of my trunk installations I see 1.19alpha in another I see 1.20alpha (r111500 for all) [22:08:45] <Reedy> Wikinaut: DefaultSettings.php [22:08:47] <sumanah> mdale: do you happen to remember who the mentor was for https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Summer_of_Code_Past_Projects#WebDAV ? [22:09:12] <mdale> I don't ;) [22:09:21] <Wikinaut> And why wasn't it updated by svn up ? [22:09:47] <sumanah> brion, do you happen to remember who the mentor was for https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Summer_of_Code_Past_Projects#WebDAV ? [22:09:52] <brion> Wikinaut: should be set in DefaultSettings.php [22:09:56] <Reedy> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110999 [22:09:58] <nischayn22> sumanah: hello mam I am from India and I am very eager to take part in gsoc with wikimedia as a project [22:09:59] <brion> check to make sure your svn up was successful [22:10:07] <Wikinaut> (mom) [22:10:09] <brion> sumanah: don't recall no [22:10:18] <varnent> Wikinaut: pages are all moved around and done - categories are setup - john is working on bot - you should be fully setup in a few days :) [22:10:20] <nischayn22> can you help me as I don't know how to understand the code [22:10:34] <sumanah> hi nischayn22! welcome to MediaWiki. [22:10:43] <sumanah> nischayn22: tell us about the trouble you're having. [22:10:53] <sumanah> nischayn22: where did you start, and what was the first problem you had? [22:10:58] <varnent> someone at enWP is going to smack me as I didn't notice at first one of them was there (whoops) - but it's all cleaned up now :) [22:11:13] <retif> hi, i am trying to import XML file: http://pastebin.com/GNntU7vE, and it does not get imported without any error, there are new revision appers, but without changes [22:11:16] * AaronSchulz cant wait for PHP5.4 to be the norm [22:11:27] <Wikinaut> brion Reedy : "svn: Failed to add directory 'images': an unversioned directory of the same name already exists" [22:11:45] <brion> yeah that'll stop it [22:11:54] <varnent> sumanah: not doing any more editing today (v-day) - but here's one of the latest tweaked designs I'm leaning toward: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/MediaWiki.org_Main_Page_tweaks/Sandbox/v5 [22:12:31] <nischayn22> sumanah : I went to the bug tracker and there were some bugs ...they sounded ok..but when I opened them I just couldn't understand the code... what variable does what ,etc [22:12:34] <sumanah> that's a LOT of text, varnent [22:12:45] <sumanah> nischayn22: ok. what was your next step in trying to understand MediaWiki? [22:12:47] <Wikinaut> yep. I remember: for a recent upgrade, I made a fresh check out, then replaced /images by the /images from the older wiki ... etc.. (I do know how to cope with that( ty ) [22:13:21] <varnent> sumanah: I was thinking about getting rid of the current version box (the info can fix elsewhere) and trimming the news section to like 4 less articles to trim that whole lower half down a lot [22:13:31] <sumanah> varnent: right. [22:13:38] <sumanah> let's not scare people. [22:13:44] <varnent> lol [22:13:49] <nischayn22> sumanah: Ah I didn't have much time from college from then..so just made a page for myself and invited wiki academy to my college [22:14:17] <varnent> sumanah: my hope is this layout allows us to add some of the frequent pages/areas that were being requested - like tutorials, mvl, etc. [22:14:28] <sumanah> nischayn22: good luck with the wiki academy. [22:14:48] <sumanah> varnent: Maybe. I'm no judge. jorm & heatherw are better judges than I am, by like a billion percent [22:14:57] <sumanah> nischayn22: can you view https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zlGo-hrnt8 ? [22:15:02] <AaronSchulz> "A near-riot erupted on March 3, 1971, at the Cow Palace when a tire-iron (or coke can according to the Hells Angels) was thrown at Knievel during his stunt show" [22:15:12] <varnent> sumanah: yeah - they've been engaged in helping come up with some of the variations - Dantman as well [22:15:16] <sumanah> nod [22:15:20] <heatherw> sumanah: of what? ;) [22:15:21] <AaronSchulz> I guess it's hard to tell, they look just the same [22:15:35] <sumanah> AaronSchulz: this was New Coke maybe [22:15:36] <nischayn22> sumanah : yes..let me see...thanks [22:15:37] <Wikinaut> :-) MediaWiki 1.20alpha (r111501) :-) [22:15:47] <varnent> sumanah: here's the breakdown: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/MediaWiki.org_Main_Page_tweaks#Sandbox [22:15:48] <codurr> New code comment: Reedy; Obviously wmfUseRevSha1Columns isn't actually defined anywhere (register_globals), it will be uncond; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111486#c30969> [22:15:50] <Wikinaut> like on all my others... [22:16:00] <sumanah> AaronSchulz: the taste of a myopic generation [22:17:08] <sumanah> nischayn22: most people recommend that if you are trying to understand how to work with MediaWiki, you don't start with the core (stuff that lives in /trunk/phase3 in our source control repository). You start with extensions, gadgets, and stuff like that. https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/How_to_become_a_MediaWiki_hacker#Get_started [22:17:58] <nischayn22> sumanah: its buffering ..BTW I have some ideas for mediawiki..where to discuss them and with whom?? [22:18:23] <jorm> the problem i have is that the colors seem. . . too many. [22:18:32] <codurr> New code comment: Aaron Schulz; Why don't use register_globals anyway. Or at least, by God, I hope we don't.; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111486#c30970> [22:18:53] <sumanah> nischayn22: here! and you mention them, and the interested people will probably notice and converse with you. If you don't get much of a response, you then email wikitech-l. [22:18:56] <sumanah> !lists | nischayn22 [22:18:56] <mw-bot> nischayn22: mediawiki-l and wikitech-l are the primary mailing lists for MediaWiki-related issues. See https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Mailing_lists for details. [22:19:48] <sumanah> by the way, nischayn22, have you already read http://en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCStudentGuide/ch008_writing-a-proposal/ ? and what region do you live in? [22:21:15] <nischayn22> sumanah: will read it now...I am from India [22:21:30] <sumanah> nischayn22: Chennai hackathon 17 Mar http://ur1.ca/82v84 [22:21:52] <sumanah> nischayn22: also, you have 2 days left to apply for a scholarship to visit Wikimania 2012, July, Washington, DC USA https://wikimania2012.wikimedia.org/wiki/Scholarships [22:21:55] <wikibugs> 03(NEW) pls. add Extension:GoogleMaps to the bugzilla option list - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34400 normal; Wikimedia: Bugzilla; (mail) [22:22:44] <nischayn22> sumanah: that sounds cool..are you from usa or india? [22:22:48] <sumanah> nischayn22: both [22:23:08] <sumanah> nischayn22: my parents were Indians born in India, I was born in the US and live in New York City. [22:23:27] <heatherw> i like the new direction of the layout, i think the colors are random and unnecessary. varnent what do they do for you? [22:24:04] <nischayn22> sumanah: so do you work at mediawiki? as an employee? [22:24:33] <sumanah> nischayn22: I work for the Wikimedia Foundation, the nonprofit (charity) that supports Wikipedia and other related wikis [22:24:45] <sumanah> nischayn22: the Wikimedia Foundation engineering department does a lot of MediaWiki development [22:24:51] <sumanah> nischayn22: I am "volunteer development coordinator" [22:25:01] <sumanah> nischayn22: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Sumanah has more about me [22:26:17] <sumanah> nischayn22: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikipmediawiki will help you get your wording correct regarding "MediaWiki" vs. "Wikimedia" vs. "wiki" vs. related terms. [22:27:02] <Wikinaut> Brion Reedy : I could not fix a minor problem on the https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Google_Maps (which uses Templates in an unusal way... which makes it complicated to maintain), the bugzilla=GoogleMaps links are not shown in the Extension Info Box [22:27:02] <nischayn22> I study at NITK,Surathkal in India...Its in the top 10 colleges in the country but FOSS is not that in fashion in our country and so I don't have any help from seniors..I hope to get help from here itself for a proposal [22:27:14] <codurr> 03jeroendedauw * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111502> 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ (DBDataObject.php DBTable.php): move method and added warning on count function [22:27:43] <sumanah> nischayn22: best of luck! also you can get help from Indian FOSS organizations [22:27:47] <Wikinaut> they are _in_ https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Template:Google_Maps_Extension_Info but not shown on the (article) page where the template is used [22:27:52] <sumanah> nischayn22: and from Wikimedia India [22:28:14] <brion> Wikinaut: in here? https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Google_Maps_Extension_Info&action=edit [22:28:43] <nischayn22> sumanah: yes I am trying to get in touch with them..maybe there could be a project idea specific to Wikimedia India [22:29:12] <sumanah> nischayn22: for example, a localisation and internationalisation project that benefits all Indic languages [22:29:16] <Dantman> varnent: Made some tweaks so that the mockup looks right https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Requests_for_comment%2FMediaWiki.org_Main_Page_tweaks%2FSandbox%2Fv9&action=historysubmit&diff=499528&oldid=499082 [22:29:24] <sumanah> nischayn22: the #mediawiki-i18n channel may help you [22:29:45] <sumanah> nischayn22: (if you want to do something like that) [22:30:02] <codurr> New code comment: Aaron Schulz; *We dont; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111486#c30971> [22:30:07] <sumanah> nischayn22: when you say you are trying to get in touch with them, are you having any difficulty? have you tried their mailing list? [22:31:14] <nischayn22> sumanha: no Its just today that I have put all my time into wikimedia stuff...we have little leisure time at college now... [22:31:16] <sumanah> oh, nischayn22, you're in Karnatka! Namaskaara. (My family is Kannadiga.) [22:31:24] <sumanah> nischayn22: understood. [22:31:39] <wikibugs> 03(NEW) Change sitename and a namespace for Inuktitut Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34401 enhancement; MediaWiki: Internationalization; (lebo.beland) [22:32:21] <nischayn22> sumanah: I am now in Karnataka but not a Kannad ..I have travelled some 3000 kms to study here [22:32:24] <sumanah> nischayn22: there is also a Bangalore Wikimedia list. [22:32:28] <brion> Wikinaut: ok i see [22:32:33] <sumanah> nischayn22: wow! [22:32:35] <brion> they're there, but they're shoved over to the left [22:33:09] <nischayn22> sumanah: coz its a very reputed college...plus I managed to get a good rank [22:33:21] <sumanah> by the way, nischayn22 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Summer_of_Code_2012#Spread_the_word you can spread the word about GSoC at your college with leaflets [22:33:23] <nischayn22> sumanah: so are you also a mentor for gsoc? [22:33:32] <sumanah> nischayn22: if you email Carol at Google you can even get stickers and other such things to give away [22:33:51] <sumanah> nischayn22: no, I am the "organizational administrator" so I facilitate the mentors' and students' work [22:34:28] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Create Wikisource in Belarusian - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34351 +comment (10robinp.1273) [22:34:29] <sumanah> nischayn22: if you look at http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Summer_of_Code_Past_Projects you can see some past projects people have done for MediaWiki. [22:34:54] <nischayn22> sumanah: tell me one thing ..I don't know much of FOSS ..but how do you people get paid? [22:35:09] <sumanah> nischayn22: some past mentors are in this channel. ashley, MaxSem, mdale, and so on [22:35:14] <sumanah> nischayn22: this is a good question! [22:35:54] <sumanah> nischayn22: so, in Wikimedia Foundation's case, we are a charity. Wikipedia readers and editors each donate a little money, and we also get some grants from governments and companies and other charities. [22:36:32] <codurr> New code comment: Jeroen De Dauw; It's not bad on small tables. But you are right, I ought to add a warning in the method docs.; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111264#c30972> [22:36:41] <sumanah> nischayn22: Also, some firms write software and give it away as open source, but they make money by selling hosting, customization, customer support, and similar services. [22:37:08] <Jan\> how do I embed and external image? [22:37:12] <Jan\> *an [22:37:19] <Jan\> inside a gallery? [22:37:20] <Dantman> Or write big pieces of software, but give away components as open source. [22:37:21] <sumanah> nischayn22: For example, see Acquia, which is a Drupal consulting company. [22:37:47] <codurr> New code comment: Jeroen De Dauw; r111502; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111264#c30973> [22:38:13] <sumanah> nischayn22: There are various business models. I can go on if you need, but I hope that gives you a sufficient overview. [22:39:31] <nischayn22> sumanah: hmmm..well I think wiki isn't that famous in India..but Facebook is ...so I was thinking of some project idea that could merge wikipedia with social sites so more people access it [22:40:17] <nischayn22> sumanah: like there are apps in fb like washington post reader ..which gets good views from fb [22:40:46] <sumanah> nischayn22: there are a variety of ways you could pursue this idea, and some of them will annoy some of the hard-core Wikimedia editors. [22:41:14] <sumanah> nischayn22: for example, the privacy of our users and the opensourceness of our code are basically values we hold very close to our hearts [22:41:29] <sumanah> nischayn22: you may have noticed that Wikipedia pages don't even have the Like button (for FB) [22:41:35] <sumanah> nischayn22: this is not because we haven't thought of it :-) [22:42:00] <sumanah> nischayn22: it's because, in order to display that button, we would have to transmit data to FB revealing the person who is looking at the page, and that breaks our privacy rules. [22:42:15] <ashley> sumanah: all your privacy are belong to Google & Facebook [22:42:22] <codurr> 03reedy * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111503> 10/trunk/extensions/GoogleMaps/GoogleMaps.php: [22:42:22] <codurr> Why are we conditionally defining globals, in a method!? [22:42:22] <codurr> Just ewww [22:43:12] <sumanah> nischayn22: in contrast, private MediaWiki installations are free to do anything they want (within the GPL)! [22:43:20] <varnent> Dantman: excellent - ty - sorry for delay..was getting coffee [22:43:24] <sumanah> nischayn22: so ashley is the lead developer of a MediaWiki extension called "SocialProfile" [22:44:02] <ashley> and various other social tools, too! see http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Social_tools for details [22:44:20] <nischayn22> sumana: what I was thinking of doing is making an fb app..where users can view posts or basically access wikipedia directly from facebook [22:44:29] <sumanah> nischayn22: creating or updating a Facebook app that has to do with Wikipedia or other Wikimedia content is an interesting idea [22:44:57] <sumanah> nischayn22: you should probably check to see whether someone has already made one [22:46:41] <varnent> Dantman: v9 is growing on me… I'm thinking of merging the current versions elsewhere to get rid of that box - cut the news stories max in half - which trims the whole bottom in half as far as text and space [22:46:47] <Wikinaut> no facebook like buttons, please [22:46:57] <nischayn22> sumanah: wiki is all about knowledge..but its in the form where you have to pull it always..rather than some push functionality [22:47:05] <sumanah> nischayn22: however, we like for our GSoC projects to improve MediaWiki in some way.....I'm not sure how much of a MediaWiki project this would be [22:47:33] <sumanah> nischayn22: although it would be using the web API, so that is something [22:48:49] <Jan\> whats the license of the vlc icon/logo ? [22:49:11] <Reedy> Ask the VLC guys? [22:49:31] <Jan\> yeah wrong channel :S [22:49:34] <nischayn22> sumanah: fb apps aren't created using fb API...so it can be made in wiki's API and than it will be displayed on fb just like an iframe...it can show relevant activity to the users [22:49:46] <sumanah> nischayn22: hmm [22:49:47] <Jan\> how do I embed and external image inside a gallery? [22:50:54] <sumanah> nischayn22: so you'd be writing some HTML/CSS/JavaScript/jQuery that would be displayed within FB? [22:51:02] <sumanah> nischayn22: that makes use of the MediaWiki web API? [22:51:55] <nischayn22> yes something of that sort... [22:53:40] <sumanah> nischayn22: I have to talk with some people about that [22:53:52] <sumanah> nischayn22: I don't know anything about the Wikimedia Facebook strategy, or whether there is one! [22:54:06] <sumanah> nischayn22: so there might already be some official app. Have you checked to see whether there is one? [22:54:59] <nischayn22> sumanah: I am searching..all i have found is page for wikipedia [22:55:09] <nischayn22> where you can only like stuff [22:55:27] <codurr> 03jeroendedauw * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111504> 10/trunk/extensions/EducationProgram/ (21 files in 3 dirs): follow up to r111491, fix various issues due to refactoring [22:55:50] <sumanah> nischayn22: ok, so, let's tentatively say that this is an interesting idea. Tell me of any other ideas you have that have to do with MediaWiki or other Wikimedia-related technological awesomeness :-) [22:56:39] <nischayn22> sumanah: there are apps on the name of wikipedia but they aren't official...i guess [22:57:20] <nischayn22> sumanah: tomorrow I shall check the android app for wiki..I know some android programming ..maybe I can do something there [22:57:48] <sumanah> nischayn22: while it would be cool if you worked on that app, it's not really MediaWiki, so the MediaWiki GSoC project might be a little less interested. [22:59:02] <nischayn22> sumanah: so according to you a better project idea is something related to core Mediawiki sites..ryt? [22:59:35] <sumanah> nischayn22: something that could eventually be deployed on MediaWiki sites such as Wikipedia will be more attractive to the mentors, yes [22:59:47] <sumanah> you want to get mentors excited about your project [23:00:51] <nischayn22> sumanah: hmm...ok I will start thinking on such stuff...but that will also require complete knowledge of code i guess.. [23:00:51] <sumanah> btw nischayn22 you will eventually want to get a better IRC client, like xchat or ChatZilla, something that makes it easier to keep logs. [23:01:05] <sumanah> nischayn22: no, you can start with simple extensions and "special pages" [23:02:15] <nischayn22> sumanah: i am using win7....I tried using mirc but then found this webchat better as it is on the browser itself [23:02:24] <sumanah> nischayn22: I'm sure you're a smart person and would be able to get your toes wet enough in a few days [23:02:37] <sumanah> nischayn22: to start grasping how long it will take you to really ramp up [23:02:53] <sumanah> nischayn22: ChatZilla is integrated into the browser, as well [23:03:10] <sumanah> nischayn22: once you're using IRC for professional communication, like in GSoC, you'll find that being able to keep logs is very very valuable [23:03:55] <nischayn22> sumanah: yes that's true..I realized today itself..:) [23:04:23] <sumanah> there is always Control-A, control-C, control-V [23:04:24] <sumanah> there, logs! [23:04:46] <Dantman> Noooo, not ChatZilla!!!! [23:05:06] <sumanah> Dantman: ok, recommend a browser-integrated IRC client [23:05:16] <Dantman> No! [23:05:17] * Abin_Sur loves ChatZilla [23:05:18] <nischayn22> sumanah: so I just found a fb app...it basically loads the complete wikipedia site onto fb in an iframe..but for somewhat reason its not showing now in english [23:05:19] <sumanah> nischayn22: Dantman is always cranky [23:05:31] <sumanah> nischayn22: basically nothing is good enough for him [23:05:37] <sumanah> just keep that in mind if he says something cranky [23:05:38] <Dantman> This notion of "I can't restart Firefox because I'll loose my completely unrelated IRC connection" is completely rediculous [23:05:43] <chrismcmahon> pidgin is a nice IRC (etc.) client for Win/Linux [23:05:44] <sumanah> :-) [23:06:01] <nischayn22> is he also mediawiki developer? [23:06:04] * chrismcmahon hasn't used it in a while, but remembers liking it OK [23:06:04] <codurr> 03jeroendedauw * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111505> 10/trunk/extensions/EducationProgram/includes/ (EPOrg.php EPRevision.php EPRevisionPager.php): some fixes and killed compat code [23:06:08] <sumanah> nischayn22: yes. [23:06:17] * mmovchin loves Pidgin [23:06:20] <Dantman> X-Chat, KVIrc, irssi, etc... > ChatZilla > mIRC [23:06:33] <sumanah> in fact, nischayn22, Dantman just did a very nice thing: http://blog.redwerks.org/2012/02/08/mediawiki-skinning-tutorial/ [23:06:52] <Dantman> ;) Just don't try to sum up what I do like you did with ashley [23:07:03] <nischayn22> Dantman: yes mIRC isn't good..and its only one month trial :( [23:07:07] <sumanah> nischayn22: if you like front-end stuff like HTML and CSS and so on, you could work on skins for a summer and the entire MediaWiki community would be grateful for it [23:07:52] <nischayn22> sumanah: I love CSS and other effects using JS [23:08:18] <Dantman> Besides the skinning I've been through the parser, I wrote $wgSharedPrefix and $wgSharedTables, did other improvements to the database, done stuff in the security area, etc... ;) You can't pin me down to any one area. [23:08:52] <sumanah> Dantman: ok, so, you're a wide-ranging ubercrank [23:08:55] <sumanah> :-) [23:09:08] <Dantman> heh [23:09:24] <Dantman> I was also big on WikiFarm stuff too [23:09:46] <nischayn22> sumanah: I have my midsem exams coming but I am getting so interested in these stuff..I am still awake now its 4:39 AM in here [23:09:54] <sumanah> nischayn22: :-) open source is exciting! [23:10:16] <sumanah> nischayn22: as a complete aside: my spouse and I are both very interested in open souce, and in fact met because of Slashdot.org [23:10:18] <nischayn22> sumanah: and I have class from 9 upto some 5pm [23:10:21] <sumanah> !! [23:10:21] <mw-bot> A red exclamation mark (!) in the recent changes or on your watchlist means that edit is not patrolled yet. Read more about patrolling at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Patrolled_edits and configuration at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgUseRCPatrol [23:10:38] <sumanah> I just meant: Wow! [23:11:06] <sumanah> nischayn22: I do not want you to do badly in your classes or exams. So, save up these links and discussions, and we can talk again sometime [23:11:13] <sumanah> nischayn22: I will ask you for your email ID [23:11:30] <sumanah> privately [23:12:42] <Dantman> T_T It's still disappointing that we don't have any browsers that have yet implemented things like css3-box and css3-flexbox [23:15:10] <Dantman> ;) The next large document I write, when/if I get around to it... will likely be one that Wikia will NOT like. [23:16:11] <hexmode> Tim-away: can you re-enable bz's json api? [23:17:00] <codurr> 03reedy * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111506> 10/branches/wmf/ (4 files in 4 dirs): MFT r111179 [23:17:52] <wikibugs> 03(NEW) Time outs in live collections - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34402 normal; MediaWiki extensions: Collection; (mah) [23:18:18] <codurr> New code comment: Jeroen De Dauw; But but but... this extension is evil!!! \ And I'm not biased! :); <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111503#c30974> [23:20:06] <zaltekk> is it not possible to setup mediawiki without it being at /wiki? [23:20:22] <sumanah> zaltekk: you can change the name of that directory [23:20:25] <zaltekk> the setup pages don't function for me even if i try changing the root to the real location [23:20:45] <zaltekk> sumanah: right...but the initial setup won't work. it still links incorrectly [23:21:50] <sumanah> !nullpath [23:21:50] <mw-bot> Don't use the example.com/Page_title URL scheme. It isn't supported by developers and WILL break in ways you can't foresee (and if it doesn't, it might break in the future). Some examples can be found at http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Wiki_in_site_root_directory#Reasons_why_putting_wiki_pages_in_the_root_directory_of_the_web_site_is_bad [23:22:06] <zaltekk> i'm not doing that [23:22:15] <sumanah> ah, ok [23:22:17] <zaltekk> it's at /mywebarea/wiki [23:22:27] <zaltekk> i can't use /wiki because i don't have access at that level [23:22:28] * sumanah waits for other, more skilled people to answer [23:22:50] <zaltekk> the only workaround i've found is to have a subdomain that the webserver rewrites [23:23:00] <zaltekk> like mywebarea.mydomain.com/wiki [23:23:18] <zaltekk> but that ruins being able to use the SSL certificate that's only valid for www.mydomain.com [23:23:49] <hexmode> sumanah: did you know about Aashish Mittal for GSOC? [23:23:53] * Dantman isn't even quite sure what kind of issue/context zaltekk is working under [23:24:14] <zaltekk> Danny_B|backup: i want to setup mediawiki at http://www.example.com/some/stuff/wiki [23:24:16] <codurr> 03jeroendedauw * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111507> 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/ (4 files in 3 dirs): address bug 34383 [23:24:36] <zaltekk> err, Dantman [23:24:40] <wikibugs> 14(WFM) pls. add Extension:GoogleMaps to the bugzilla option list - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34400 +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy)) [23:24:41] <sumanah> hexmode: I know of someone named Aashish Mittal who is applying for GSoC, yes. I believe he has submitted at least one patch. [23:24:53] <wikibugs> 03(FIXED) SemanticMediaWiki: Canonical namespace names are set incorrectly. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34383 +comment (10Jeroen De Dauw) [23:25:04] <zaltekk> if i try setting the path in the config files manually, the setup pages still link everything incorrectly to /wiki [23:25:10] <zaltekk> making them useless [23:25:35] <Dantman> Setup pages? And a config file? [23:26:17] <zaltekk> "Once you have uploaded/installed MediaWiki on web server, the first thing you need to do is complete the basic setup by running the supplied configuration script. This script allows you to tell MediaWiki the information it needs in order to get the wiki up and running." [23:26:26] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Test that clicktracking is collecting the data we need - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/32992 +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy)) [23:26:37] <hexmode> sumanah: I ask b/c https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15071#c9 [23:26:39] <Dantman> So you're trying to install. [23:26:43] <Dantman> Hence you have no config file. [23:27:31] <zaltekk> Localsetting.php [23:27:37] <codurr> 03jeroendedauw * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111508> 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/ (RELEASE-NOTES SemanticMediaWiki.php): up rel notes and increment to 1.7.1 beta 1 [23:27:38] <sumanah> hexmode: yes! he has also written to wikitech-l and I believe talked in IRC here as well. [23:27:50] <Dantman> zaltekk: But you just said that you're installing the wiki. [23:28:05] <zaltekk> Dantman: yep. [23:28:20] <Dantman> zaltekk: You can't be installing the wiki and already have a config file. The two are mutually exclusive. [23:28:29] <zaltekk> i tried creating a localsettings.php from the default settings and configuring the path [23:28:40] <Dantman> Then you haven't installed the wiki. [23:28:41] <zaltekk> it didn't have an effect on the invalid links [23:28:45] <codurr> 03jeroendedauw * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111509> 10/tags/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/REL_1_7beta1/SemanticMediaWiki/: Tag for version 1.7beta1. [23:28:49] <Dantman> And your config file is junk. [23:28:53] <zaltekk> and i still couldn't install [23:29:03] <zaltekk> Dantman: how do i install without putting mediawiki at /wiki then? [23:29:27] <JeroenDeDauw> **** [23:29:31] <Dantman> Get rid of that manually created LocalSettings.php and go back to using the installer to actually install the wiki. [23:29:41] <zaltekk> okay. and then all the links point to /wiki [23:29:46] <zaltekk> and i can't move past the first page [23:29:51] <zaltekk> what next? [23:30:36] <codurr> 03jeroendedauw * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111510> 10/tags/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/REL_1_7beta1/SemanticMediaWiki/: rem fail tag [23:31:11] <codurr> 03jeroendedauw * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111511> 10/tags/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/REL_1_7_1beta1/: Tag for version 1.7.1beta1. [23:31:33] <Dantman> zaltekk: You go through the mw-config/ installer properly, it sets up the database, gives you a config file, and you save the config file. And then links are wrong? [23:32:08] <zaltekk> Dantman: nope. the links are wrong before doing anything with the installer. [23:32:16] <zaltekk> Dantman: let me delete everything and start over again. [23:33:40] <Dantman> Aye [23:34:57] <zaltekk> someone else tried to set this up and gave up without getting it working outside of the subdomain workaround [23:35:00] <zaltekk> which causes problems [23:37:02] <nischayn22> sumanah: submitted my application for wikimania :) [23:37:24] <sumanah> thank you nischayn22 and good luck. [23:37:29] <sumanah> nischayn22: can you make it to Chennai in March? [23:37:59] <sumanah> nischayn22: if you have some time and interest you can also organize a workshop at your college using these resources: http://wiki.wikimedia.in/MediaWiki_Workshop [23:38:26] <nischayn22> I am not sure...Its 24 hr long journey and a lot of expenses [23:38:31] <sumanah> understood. [23:39:37] <nischayn22> sumanah: I made a page for wiki academy for my college [23:39:53] <sumanah> http://wiki.wikimedia.in/Wiki_Academy/National_Institute_of_Technology_Surathkal [23:39:55] <Lcawte> Hmm, need some coding music... any suggestions? [23:40:18] <sumanah> Lcawte: Kraftwerk [23:41:02] <nischayn22> sumanah: yes thats the one..but how to proceed...I mean who would lecture there...I have mailed one of the person concerned though [23:41:19] <sumanah> nischayn22: at this point you should ask the Wikimedia India mailing list. [23:41:29] <sumanah> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l [23:41:44] <sumanah> also nischayn22 https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-in-blr [23:42:22] <wikibugs> 03(FIXED) Test that clicktracking is collecting the data we need - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/32992 (10Sam Reed (reedy)) [23:42:57] <sumanah> nischayn22: basically, outline your goals for the event, the situation as you see it (how many students there are, what they might be interested in) and ask for what you think you need. [23:43:46] <sumanah> nischayn22: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/India_Program/Outreach_Programs/Handbook might also help you. [23:44:36] <nischayn22> sumanah: on march 1-4th we have our cultural fest..I think it would be a good time [23:45:02] <sumanah> nischayn22: that could be nice, yeah. but Wikimedia India knows better than I do in terms of how long it takes to do good planning, etc. so ask them [23:46:17] <sumanah> nischayn22: ok, I need to write a blog post, and you need to sleep soon! [23:46:42] <sumanah> there are many college students all around the world who write open source software, and they all have to balance FOSS and their studies [23:47:47] <nischayn22> sumanah: yes ..thanks for the care..goodbye..see you soon..probably with more ideas [23:47:59] <sumanah> :-) [23:48:10] <sumanah> Best wishes. Namaskaar. [23:48:47] <nischayn22> even we don't use that word anymore :D [23:49:07] <faceface> hi [23:49:11] <sumanah> nischayn22: my parents did. [23:49:13] <faceface> had spam every day for the last two weeks, but openID seems to have solved it [23:49:28] * faceface keeps fingers crossed [23:49:30] <sumanah> nischayn22: maybe you think I am hopelessly old-fashioned [23:50:37] <nischayn22> sumanah: nah! ppl from the west remember only one thing when India comes into picture..Namaskar [23:51:05] <nischayn22> sumanah: I don't know how much western influence you have [23:51:07] <sumanah> nischayn22: people from the US actually usually say Namaste [23:51:22] <sumanah> because they don't know about how in the south it's more "Namaskaar" [23:51:57] <sumanah> nischayn22: I was born and raised in the US, I speak English with an American accent, but I take off my shoes when I come in the house and I was raised to say "Namaskaar" by my Kannadiga parents and touch guests' feet [23:52:13] <nischayn22> sumanah:yes..but I am from the north [23:52:20] <sumanah> nischayn22: AHA [23:52:22] <nischayn22> sumanah: thats cool [23:52:25] <sumanah> nischayn22: it's all clear [23:52:55] <zaltekk> Dantman: same problem with a fresh installation [23:53:00] <sumanah> nischayn22: you people with your meat eating and your Devanagari scripts! [23:53:04] * sumanah is kidding [23:53:17] <Dantman> zaltekk: Could you just give me the actual url so I can actually see what's wrong... [23:53:50] <nischayn22> sumanah: what??? I am a vegan [23:54:01] <zaltekk> LocalSettings.php not found. Please complete the installation and download LocalSettings.php [23:54:27] <sumanah> :-) [23:54:33] <sumanah> nischayn22: you're all right, then :D [23:54:42] <zaltekk> if i go to example.com/some/stuff/wiki/mw-config all the links point to example.com/wiki [23:55:01] <Dantman> Even if it's a page like that, please show me the url [23:55:09] <Dantman> I can't work of ambiguity [23:55:17] <zaltekk> you can't access it, it isn't on the internet [23:55:22] <sumanah> zaltekk: screenshot? [23:55:27] <nischayn22> sumanah: ok good bye now.. [23:55:31] <sumanah> bye! [23:55:36] <zaltekk> sumanah: of the mw-config or just the main index? [23:55:54] <sumanah> zaltekk: of your whole browser window :-) including what is in the address bar :D [23:58:13] <zaltekk> http://i.imgur.com/8IQsl.png [23:58:36] <zaltekk> non of the links are relative...they all seem to be hardcoded to /wiki [23:59:38] <codurr> 03gregchiasson * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111512> 10/trunk/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5/ (3 files in 2 dirs): AFT5 - somewhat untested changes to filter counts, that should fix some of the issues with counts getting out of sync with reality.