[00:00:34] <bawolff>	 quit
[00:00:43] <mindrones>	 AaronSchulz so the answer is yes? :) sorry to bother
[00:01:04] <AaronSchulz>	 hehe
[00:01:19] <mindrones>	 :)
[00:01:22] <AaronSchulz>	 mindrones: bots are OK, and better if they send baseRevId
[00:01:26] * mindrones  is petering the por AaronSchulz :)

[00:01:31] <mindrones>	 pestering*
[00:01:35] <AaronSchulz>	 I was chunkling at bawolff mistyping "quit"
[00:01:53] <mindrones>	 ah :)
[00:02:23] <mindrones>	 I'll do my homework and will try
[00:02:30] <mindrones>	 thx a lot for your help
[00:03:41] <codurr>	 New code comment: Tim Starling; Because it's unclear what "this string" refers to?; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111701#c31053>
[00:04:41] <codurr>	 New code comment: Aaron Schulz; Yes.; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111701#c31054>
[00:06:45] <[_White_]>	 Hi, everybody. :)
[00:14:26] <codurr>	 New code comment: Siebrand; Okay. I can do that. Will do it in the next few hours.; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111606#c31055>
[00:16:31] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Heavy DB Usage from API call - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34451  +comment (10Amalthea.wikimedia)
[00:17:34] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Doxygen doesn't generate output for comments with @var declarations - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34457  +comment (10mrbluesky)
[00:20:48] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Heavy DB Usage from API call - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34451  +comment (10sam)
[00:21:10] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) Creating pages creates an automatic summary, but still prompts for summary. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33442  +comment (10MrBlueSky)
[00:28:58] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) [SF] Special:RunQuery enhancement to be able to populate red-links automatically - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34150  +comment (10fastgoldfish)
[00:30:41] <codurr>	 New code comment: Aaron Schulz; One is for a global table and one is not. I guess one could copy on the parts that matter, but I pre; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111414#c31056>
[00:33:11] <codurr>	 New code comment: Aaron Schulz; So we require 5.3.0 now?; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111688#c31057>
[00:38:56] <codurr>	 New code comment: Reedy; For AntiSpoof/CentralAuth, yeah. I could have spent hours messing around, or just copy pasting large; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111688#c31058>
[00:39:02] <Wikinaut>	 what was the parameter to print some debug information at the bottom on the present page ?
[00:39:17] <Amgine>	 !debug
[00:39:17] <mw-bot>	 For information on debugging (including viewing errors), see http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:How_to_debug
[00:39:48] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) [SF] Special:RunQuery enhancement to be able to populate red-links automatically - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34150  +comment (10yaron57)
[00:41:36] <zambaboo>	 hey guys
[00:41:53] <zambaboo>	 what php variable holds the name of the current page?
[00:52:04] <Wikinaut>	 Amgine: I was looking for $wgDebugComments (not mentioned in https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:How_to_debug )
[00:52:29] <Amgine>	 Sorry, I didn't know.
[00:52:34] <Wikinaut>	 However wfDebug() is undefined when LocalSettings.php run.
[00:53:10] <Wikinaut>	 Is there a way (except echo() ) to debug data during LocalSettings. php ??
[00:58:06] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Available settings for result parameter "order" on Special:Ask doubled (SMW 1.7.1 alpha3) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34461 normal; MediaWiki extensions: Semantic MediaWiki; (mediawiki)
[01:06:18] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Available settings for result parameter "order" on Special:Ask doubled (SMW 1.7.1 alpha3) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34461  +comment (10jeroen_dedauw)
[01:09:26] <codurr>	 New code comment: Bhartshorne; (patch by tim starling); <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111708#c31059>
[01:13:12] <codurr>	 New code comment: MarkAHershberger; converting from FIXME status to TODO tag; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/81849#c31060>
[01:13:27] <codurr>	 New code comment: Wikinaut; Perhaps both the i) suhosin.get.max_name_length and ii) suhosin.get.max_value_length and iii) number; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111705#c31061>
[01:21:05] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) svn loop - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34462 normal; MediaWiki: Categories; (jdk370)
[01:31:23] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) [SF] Special:RunQuery enhancement to be able to populate red-links automatically - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34150  +comment (10fastgoldfish)
[01:49:12] <codurr>	 New code comment: Raindrift; Thanks for using the American spelling of 'color' in the actual code. :); <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110974#c31062>
[01:57:27] <codurr>	 New code comment: Raindrift; This seems like it should move to core for 1.20.; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111111#c31063>
[01:59:05] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) missing file version after upload and strange log entries - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34427  +comment (10saibotrash)
[02:01:09] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Link attribute of file: should identify non-existing page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34463 normal; MediaWiki: Images and files; (ifurkend)
[02:01:26] <codurr>	 New code comment: Jeroen De Dauw; Do you mean that I did not migrate over the already existing translations? If so, will do that once ; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111653#c31064>
[02:03:20] * AaronSchulz  gives r111716 to werdna

[02:06:33] <werdna>	 !r 111716
[02:06:33] <mw-bot>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111716
[02:07:00] <werdna>	 <3
[02:12:58] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) [SF] Special:RunQuery enhancement to be able to populate red-links automatically - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34150  +comment (10yaron57)
[02:13:19] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) svn loop - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34462  (10p858snake)
[02:13:38] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) svn loop - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34462  +comment (10p858snake)
[02:18:41] <codurr>	 New code comment: Reedy; Can probably use something similar for bug 33287 also; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111643#c31065>
[02:40:51] <hexmode>	 !spam
[02:40:51] <mw-bot>	 For information about combating and handling spam in MediaWiki, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Combating_spam> and <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Anti-spam_features>.
[03:03:22] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) SF Upload popup permissions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33555  +comment (10yaron57)
[03:04:35] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) autocomplete on property broken in Version 2.4-alpha revision r110391 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34116  +comment (10yaron57)
[03:08:26] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Interference between SemanticForms and Property Page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31237  +comment (10yaron57)
[03:23:51] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Path in category box is absolute instead of relative - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/26564  +comment (10yaron57)
[03:26:41] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Path in category box is absolute instead of relative - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/26564  +comment (10yaron57)
[03:38:27] <wikibugs>	 14(WFM) Download font on Chrome opens Info file - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34452  +comment (10Santhosh Thottingal)
[03:44:03] <wikibugs>	 03(ASSIGNED) Enable Narayam on mr.wikisource.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34454  +comment (10Santhosh Thottingal)
[03:44:05] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Enable Narayam on mr.wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/32669  (10Santhosh Thottingal)
[04:17:14] <Dantman>	 Holy fu....... I just randomly snapped a shot of my DVD player's remote control with Google Goggles... And it actually managed to recognize the product and give me a link to a page on it.
[04:17:54] <Dantman>	 ;) And yes, that page included a way to order a replacement
[04:18:06] <Dantman>	 Now that's interestingly implemented
[04:39:03] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Enable Narayam on mr.wikisource.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34454  +comment (10shantanoo)
[04:52:58] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) Add Siyam Rupali Font for Bengali to WebFonts - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33599  (10Santhosh Thottingal)
[04:54:53] <Tanvir>	 A long time ago. :P
[04:55:08] <santhosh>	 Tanvir: :)
[04:55:12] <Tanvir>	 Thanks Santhosh. :)
[05:00:11] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Add Telugu Transliteration input method to Narayam - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33480  +comment (10santhosh.thottingal)
[05:02:19] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) JqueryMsg parser should support templates without replacements - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33653  +comment (10Santhosh Thottingal)
[05:13:11] <codurr>	 New code comment: Aaron Schulz; +1.; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111688#c31066>
[05:18:57] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Allow searching of only local hosted files - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/30239  (10johnnymrninja)
[05:28:33] * varnent  rebooting to play with mountain lion

[05:38:08] <Amgine>	 kinky sex game, or gadget-addicted geek: you be the judge.
[05:49:58] <p858snake|l>	 Amgine: why can't it be a bit of both?
[05:50:32] <Amgine>	 Kinky sex-gadget addicted geek?
[05:50:46] <Amgine>	 Okay, maybe that's a lot of both.
[06:02:59] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) [SF] Special:RunQuery enhancement to be able to populate red-links automatically - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34150  +comment (10fastgoldfish)
[06:07:28] <badon>	 I just wrote a novel. Vote for this bug: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=34150#c9
[06:18:43] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Oracle installer throw SET CONSTRAINTS ALL DEFERRED PL/SQL error - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34280  +comment (10freak)
[06:38:50] <Nikerabbit>	 now I know why I hate the new diff style... the numbers come with if you try to copy paste
[06:39:29] <apergos>	 eewwwww
[06:39:56] <codurr>	 New code comment: Nikerabbit; <pre>'5::users' => $GLOBALS['wgLang']->listToText( $names )</pre> \ You probably don't want to add pr; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111666#c31067>
[06:41:26] <codurr>	 New code comment: Nikerabbit; You know there is \ require_once( RUN_MAINTENANCE_IF_MAIN ); \ ?; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111668#c31068>
[06:45:56] <codurr>	 New code comment: Nikerabbit; Can we do the same to the line numbers in this new diff style? They make copying to comment are more; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111676#c31069>
[06:49:11] <codurr>	 New code comment: Dantman; Not to mention that the request context should be used.; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111666#c31070>
[06:52:12] <codurr>	 New code comment: Nikerabbit; Eww ==. \ <pre> \ > var_dump( "0" == "0000" ); \ bool(true) \ </pre>; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111680#c31071>
[07:00:14] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Probable Javascript loading issues (navigation and tabbing issues, multiple browsers) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34450  +comment (10Niklas Laxström)
[07:10:57] <codurr>	 New code comment: Nikerabbit; Please announce this on mailing lists so that everyone is aware.; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111688#c31072>
[07:15:11] <codurr>	 New code comment: Nikerabbit; Why so much indentation on the second line?; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111693#c31073>
[07:15:39] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) Wikipedia Android app shows null menus during startup - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33342  +comment (10Yuvi Panda)
[07:23:56] <codurr>	 New code comment: Nikerabbit; I don't think we use text/x-php mime-type for php files.; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111702#c31074>
[07:32:27] <codurr>	 New code comment: Nikerabbit; Use isset() if you only want to know whether the variable is set. \ And the "Feed" should probably be; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111712#c31075>
[07:44:12] <codurr>	 New code comment: Nikerabbit; Do not merge to 1.18.; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111726#c31076>
[07:45:11] <codurr>	 New code comment: Wikinaut; partially fixed in r111730; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111712#c31077>
[07:57:11] <codurr>	 New code comment: Wikinaut; my svn has added that by default through its \ .subversion \ [autoprops] \ *.php = svn:eol-style=na; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111702#c31078>
[08:09:12] <codurr>	 New code comment: Wikinaut; mime-type still wrong, now there are two assigned. set to fixme; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111732#c31079>
[08:14:23] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Probable Javascript loading issues (navigation and tabbing issues, multiple browsers) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34450  +comment (10erik)
[08:18:13] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Probable Javascript loading issues (navigation and tabbing issues, multiple browsers) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34450  +comment (10Erik Moeller)
[08:23:12] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Code review emails sent to duplicate addresses - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34464 normal; MediaWiki extensions: CodeReview; (niklas.laxstrom)
[08:24:01] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Code review emails sent to duplicate addresses - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34464   +code-update-regression (10Niklas Laxström)
[08:24:42] <codurr>	 New code comment: Nikerabbit; Setting back to fixme due to this issue: \ + 'translate-checks-malformed' => '$traArray[$i] ; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111272#c31080>
[08:26:48] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Probable Javascript loading issues (navigation and tabbing issues, multiple browsers) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34450   +code-update-regression; +comment (10Niklas Laxström)
[08:32:00] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Probable Javascript loading issues (navigation and tabbing issues, multiple browsers) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34450  -code-update-regression ; +comment (10Erik Moeller)
[08:32:44] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Probable Javascript loading issues (navigation and tabbing issues, multiple browsers) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34450   +code-update-regression (10Erik Moeller)
[08:41:56] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) enable importing of edits from newly released historical English Wikipedia database dumps to the current enwiki database - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34465 normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (grahamwp)
[08:46:58] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) enable importing of edits from newly released historical English Wikipedia database dumps to the current enwiki database - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34465   +shell (10Graham87)
[08:48:38] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Get rid of svn keywords in API files - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33287  +comment (10Antoine "hashar" Musso)
[08:50:38] <Dantman>	 jorm: Other bit of technique. You can make almost anything with a combination of border-radius, gradients, :before/:after, and box-shadow
[08:51:16] <Dantman>	 Namley extremely fancy button styles, and other types of components like menus, that is
[08:51:45] <Dantman>	 You can even use box-shadow to create glow effects and secondary borders
[08:53:37] <Dantman>	 eg: http://i.imgur.com/KV8Rd.png
[08:53:45] <Dantman>	 Nothing but css on a submit button
[08:57:22] <Dantman>	 A border, border-radius, a gradient for the background, a box shadow for shadowing, and another box shadow to create a secondary border on the inside. And the glassy effect can be created by another box-shadow.
[09:04:42] <Nikerabbit>	 hi yuvipanda
[09:04:48] <yuvipanda>	 heya Nikerabbit 
[09:05:59] <Nikerabbit>	 wassis that you wanted me to do?
[09:06:31] <yuvipanda>	 Nikerabbit: push translations for wikimediamobile app, because we wanted to release a beta y'day
[09:06:36] <yuvipanda>	 but we released it anyway, so no rush
[09:06:42] <Nikerabbit>	 oki
[09:06:59] <Nikerabbit>	 you should give me a bit more time to react in the future
[09:07:13] <Nikerabbit>	 but generally I currently do exports on Monday of every second week
[09:07:27] <yuvipanda>	 Nikerabbit: it was just a 'nice to have', so not a big deal.
[09:07:34] <yuvipanda>	 will let you know a few days before we do the next beta
[09:07:53] <Nikerabbit>	 you know that I don't consider i18n nice-to-have :)
[09:08:46] <yuvipanda>	 4 days of updates for the beta, when we've added no labels is nice-to-have, no?
[09:09:03] <yuvipanda>	 but yeah, I do agree :)
[09:25:26] <codurr>	 New code comment: Nikerabbit; <pre> \ + /** \ 668 + * Transform parsed structure into grammar conversion \ 669 + * Invoked by ; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111646#c31081>
[09:29:09] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) All sections in Preferences visible - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34466 normal; MediaWiki: User preferences; (listenleser)
[09:35:19] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) autocomplete on property broken in Version 2.4-alpha revision r110391 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34116  +comment (10mitchell_neill)
[09:36:04] <OrenOf>	 anyone using git+eclipse
[09:40:22] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) SF Upload popup permissions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33555  +comment (10mitchell_neill)
[10:12:16] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Allow longer comments in RevDelelete - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34467 enhancement; MediaWiki: Revision deletion; (listenleser)
[10:15:28] <vvv>	 Oh my god
[10:15:40] <vvv>	 I have just seen the word "datum" for the first time in my life
[10:15:44] * vvv  feels shocked

[10:25:56] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Show links to create a page and a link to Special:PrefixIndex if search is disabled - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34468 enhancement; MediaWiki: Search; (listenleser)
[10:34:06] <tale>	 vvv: Have you seen the word "kreetupeili" before?
[10:34:58] <vvv>	 No
[10:35:09] <vvv>	 Is it Finnish?
[10:36:58] <tale>	 vvv: Yes.
[10:37:32] <tale>	 vvv: Hope you can take the double shock.
[10:37:44] <vvv>	 zOMG Finnish
[10:37:57] * vvv  condemns Len

[10:38:02] <vvv>	 *Lenin
[10:40:10] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Add Featured Text for Wikisource - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34047  +comment (10maxsem.wiki)
[11:54:46] <wikibugs>	 14(INVALID) Meta watchlist email notifications - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31548  +comment (10Nemo_bis)
[12:04:42] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) (un)watch button broken - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34469 critical; MediaWiki: Watchlist; (federicoleva)
[12:07:27] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) (un)watch button broken - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34469  (10Nemo_bis)
[12:09:37] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) 1.19 change to display bytes added by [edit], as opposed to total page size after [edit] - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34449  +comment (10Philippe Elie)
[12:11:42] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) (un)watch button broken - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34469  +comment (10federicoleva)
[12:13:59] <freakolowsky>	 damn quiet on slovenian part of the internet ...  everyone listeing to the parlament ACTA debate
[12:23:47] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) margin for edit section button on RTL wikis with LTR user interface is on the wrong side - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34470 trivial; MediaWiki: User login; (fomafix)
[12:23:53] <OrenOf>	 what's the url for read only access to git ? e.g. ssh://oren@gerrit.wikimedia.org/mediawiki/tools/mwdumper.git ??
[12:30:09] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Meta watchlist email notifications - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31548  +comment (10billinghurst)
[12:30:21] <Krenair>	 mediawiki.org admins: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Aaroncabanes https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Thread:Extension_talk:LDAP_Authentication/neck https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:LiquidThreads_3.0/Design&offset=20120217112316&lqt_mustshow=12173#wholesale_nfl_jerseys_12173
[12:37:13] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) MobileFrontend extension should not be tied to WMF caching infrastructure - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34145  +comment (10Patrick Reilly)
[12:39:33] <Krenair>	 another spammer: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/JamesBlunt13
[12:40:17] <Krenair>	 and this one: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/110.38.48.143
[12:45:01] <codurr>	 New code comment: Preilly; Should we possibly add the ability to set multiple class names?; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111651#c31083>
[12:46:29] <apergos>	 done
[12:47:49] <Krenair>	 apergos, https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Aaroncabanes out of project scope?
[12:48:55] <apergos>	 yes but going to ignore it unless/until there's actually interference with content
[12:52:02] <codurr>	 New code comment: Preilly; You should add a comment about why this: \ $("#zero-rated-banner").remove(); // remove remnants from a; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111741#c31084>
[12:53:02] <codurr>	 New code comment: Preilly; Thanks, for adding this more description comment.; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111745#c31085>
[12:54:31] <codurr>	 New code comment: Preilly; Do we really need this comment: // Forgive me father for I have sinned?; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111679#c31086>
[12:55:27] <beli>	 someone here using PdfBook extension? i am not able to create pdf files on the fly with htmldoc. gernerated pdf files just contain an error message that htmldoc is missing html input files. any ideas?
[12:56:56] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Get rid of svn keywords in API files - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33287  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[12:58:16] <codurr>	 New code comment: Preilly; Spelling of simultaneously is wrong it's simultaneusly in the warning which is incorrect.; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111476#c31087>
[12:58:56] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Doxygen doesn't generate output for comments with @var declarations - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34457  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[13:14:21] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) stats.wikimedia.org shows permission denials - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34391  +comment (10billinghurst)
[13:17:26] <chombium>	 hi, I'm upgrading a wiki from mw 1.11.2 to 1.17. Where can I find a changelog from version from version. I need to check if my extensions use some deprecated functions
[13:18:18] <linq>	 I am having some difficulty with a MediaWiki installation making use of OpenID. The error message I keep encountering is this:
[13:18:20] <linq>	 Verification of the OpenID URL failed. Error message: "Server denied check_authentication" 
[13:18:31] <linq>	 This comes after being redirected from a successful login via myopenID
[13:19:39] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Oracle installer throw SET CONSTRAINTS ALL DEFERRED PL/SQL error - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34280  +comment (10jfehrman)
[13:21:43] <hashar>	 hello
[13:21:54] <^demon>	 Good morning hashar.
[13:22:26] <freakolowsky>	 2pm ... yep ... a few days ago that would be "morning"
[13:22:59] <^demon>	 freakolowsky: Timezones be damned :p
[13:23:14] <jere_n>	 chombium: maybe check here? www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki_1.17
[13:23:27] <freakolowsky>	 :D true ... why can't we all get along and use UTC
[13:23:36] <hashar>	 does anyone have a few minutes to review a patch for me please? :D
[13:23:38] <hashar>	 it is on https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=34437
[13:23:53] <hashar>	 basically a wrapper around php set_time_limit() which emits a warning when being used with safe_mode on :(
[13:24:13] <hashar>	 or I can commit it to trunk :-D
[13:24:27] <^demon>	 Where do we use set_time_limit()
[13:24:35] <^demon>	 The patch by itself doesn't do anything :)
[13:25:31] <hashar>	 that is merely to avoid a warning in mobilefrontend as well as remove an @ operator in maintenance
[13:25:38] <Nikerabbit>	 :o
[13:25:54] <^demon>	 hashar: The @ operator could be wrapped in wfSuppressWarnings()
[13:26:18] <Nikerabbit>	 why is it setting a time limit?
[13:26:25] <^demon>	 ack'ing.
[13:26:55] <hashar>	 surely can wrap around wfSuppress/Restore , I thought a new wrapper to set the time limit would save a couple lines of code :-D
[13:27:23] <hashar>	 + it is a good way to make sure we don't forget about suppressing warnings
[13:27:43] <Nikerabbit>	 I'd say keep it simple
[13:28:03] <Nikerabbit>	 = no wrappers
[13:28:31] <^demon>	 We use set_time_limit() in FileOp, Installer, SpecialExport, LockServerDaemon, Maintenance and SeleniumTestCase.
[13:28:40] <hashar>	 well the wrapper makes maintenance easier in the long run in my opinion. It will prevents future occurrence of set_time_limit() being used without wfSuppress/Restore warnings
[13:29:00] <Nikerabbit>	 one hast to remember that the wrapper exists
[13:29:03] <^demon>	 I don't think it's worth it tbh.
[13:29:06] <^demon>	 safe_mode is dead ;-)
[13:29:16] <hashar>	 OHREALY??
[13:29:27] <Nikerabbit>	 and that isn't any easier to remember than that wfSuppress exists
[13:29:28] <hashar>	 have they finally dropped it in PHP 5.4 ?
[13:29:37] <^demon>	 It was removed entirely in 5.4
[13:29:43] <hashar>	 great
[13:29:52] <hashar>	 so I am dropping the wrapper
[13:30:17] <^demon>	 - Removed legacy features:
[13:30:25] <^demon>	   . Safe mode and all related ini options. (Kalle)
[13:30:32] <^demon>	   . register_globals and register_long_arrays ini options. (Kalle)
[13:30:34] <^demon>	 :)
[13:30:39] <jere_n>	 finally! lol
[13:30:44] <Krenair>	 ^demon, git commit notes?
[13:30:54] <Krenair>	 :p
[13:30:58] <Nikerabbit>	 Kallen mätitahna
[13:31:06] * ^demon  might have to set an /ignore ;-)

[13:31:10] <chombium>	 jere_n: thank, these release notes https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Release_notes list only file changes, I hope I will manage with the functions :)
[13:31:15] * Krenair  hides

[13:31:19] <^demon>	 Krenair: This has been an incredibly busy week for me. I'll get to it.
[13:31:23] <^demon>	 And I'd recommend hiding ;-)
[13:31:25] <Nikerabbit>	 is everyone supposed to know who is the PHP Kalle?
[13:31:49] <^demon>	 Nikerabbit: It's one of their committers. All NEWS entries have an author for them
[13:32:08] <Nikerabbit>	 too hard to write the full name :E
[13:32:50] <^demon>	 They only do first names :p
[13:35:36] <^demon>	 Ouch. There's a bunch of extensions doing set_time_limit(300)
[13:35:38] <^demon>	 Really, 5 minutes?
[13:36:18] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Cannot set time limit in safe mode - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34437  +comment (10hashar)
[13:36:43] <hashar>	 here we have 
[13:36:53] <hashar>	 dropping the bug in a dark hole :D
[13:37:13] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Search Icon is missing - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34389  (10fomafix)
[13:38:01] <MikaelLindmark>	 I'm writing an extension: What is the best way to get the real username of the last edit on a page (article)? It cant find any (simple) way.
[13:38:18] <jere_n>	 lol that's a good one hashar
[13:38:26] <jere_n>	 Status: 	DROPPED IN DARK HOLE 
[13:38:44] <vvv>	 Oh crap
[13:39:10] * vvv  just spent an hour trying to undestand what's wrong with his C code, and apparently it's LuaJIT bug...

[13:40:17] <hashar>	 vvv are you working on Tim's LUA experimental extension?
[13:40:39] <vvv>	 hashar: yes, I'm adding a UTF-8 support
[13:40:56] <vvv>	 I've written the whole lib and just found that there is a better way to do it :)
[13:41:13] <hashar>	 using LUA built in support for Unicode ? :D
[13:41:35] <vvv>	 Well, you know how well does it support Unicode, right? :)
[13:41:40] <hashar>	 no idea
[13:41:44] <vvv>	 It does not
[13:41:52] <vvv>	 It treats strings as byte sequences
[13:42:03] <hashar>	 the only time I used LUA was to hack a World of Warcraft plugin 
[13:42:14] <hashar>	 and maybe for some other projects I have long forgotten about
[13:42:31] <linq>	 Does anyone here have any experience working with OpenID?
[13:43:35] <MikaelLindmark>	 I would be happy for some directions where to start reading.
[13:44:46] <hashar>	 linq: Wikimedia does not use OpenID :/
[13:44:58] <hashar>	 linq: I think the extension was taken over by Wikinaut (he is german)
[13:45:22] <jere_n>	 MikaelLindmark: don't know if this has much to do, but worth having a look maybe http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Realnames
[13:45:27] <linq>	 I've had nothing but grief trying to set it up :(
[13:45:31] <hashar>	 linq: he might be connected during the evening (european time).  Or you can contact him by email see http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Wikinaut
[13:45:41] <linq>	 Thank you hashar 
[13:47:36] <MikaelLindmark>	 jere_n: : I had a look, but I "enter" with the  ArticleAfterFetchContent hook, so it's hard to "transfer".
[13:49:05] <jere_n>	 MikaelLindmark: don't quite get what you mean but "enter" and "transfer" :D
[13:49:14] <jere_n>	 *by
[13:49:25] <MikaelLindmark>	 lol
[13:51:43] <MikaelLindmark>	 jere_n: transer the code snippets
[13:52:00] <MikaelLindmark>	 jere_n: It
[13:52:18] <MikaelLindmark>	 jere_n: It's not the same hook
[13:52:20] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Code review emails sent to duplicate addresses - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34464  +comment (10sam)
[13:53:17] <MikaelLindmark>	 English is not my mother language so It´s hard to describe
[13:55:32] <MikaelLindmark>	 jere_n: extensions:UserFunctions also have some intresting code, but I can't "convert" the code using it where I hook in.
[13:56:45] <jere_n>	 MikaelLindmark: do you have a link to your code or something?
[13:57:19] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Allow longer comments in RevDelete - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34467  summary (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[13:57:31] <MikaelLindmark>	 I'll can fix that.  BRB
[13:58:02] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) enable importing of edits from newly released historical English Wikipedia database dumps to the current enwiki database - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34465  normal->15enhancement (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[13:58:22] <apergos>	 hmm that's a curious bug
[13:58:23] <^demon>	 cas8ja809ca9ncsanc
[13:58:26] <^demon>	 Stupid svn2git.
[13:58:28] <apergos>	 awww
[13:58:30] <^demon>	 Why are you doing this to me?
[13:59:17] <^demon>	 http://p.defau.lt/?pexPYvErfuOepheV5beOLA - what's wrong with this picture?
[13:59:17] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) (un)watch button broken - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34469  04CRIT->major; +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[13:59:35] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) enable importing of edits from newly released historical English Wikipedia database dumps to the current enwiki database - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34465  +comment (10Ariel T. Glenn)
[13:59:38] <^demon>	 For some reason it dumps tags just fine up until 1.6 or so, then starts skipping a bunch and we only end up with 82 tags
[13:59:44] <apergos>	 ewww no
[13:59:45] <^demon>	 Instead of ~160 or so
[13:59:52] <^demon>	 I had it right the other day, but something changed.
[13:59:54] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Install Artifactory to distribute MWDumper as a Maven Artifact - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34393  +comment (10orenbochman)
[14:00:17] <codurr>	 New code comment: Jarry1250; Okay, got the problem. My patch had the line: \ <pre> \ + $data = array( Html::rawElement( 'label', ar; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111186#c31089>
[14:00:31] <apergos>	 oh if christian has not contacted you (qchris) for git access, please do your magic
[14:00:49] <apergos>	 he should be able to commit to dumps and to create a branch there for himself too
[14:01:48] <Krenair>	 more spam, this time from a uk2net.com address: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Category_talk:Invision_power_board_extensions
[14:02:56] <^demon>	 Krenair: Deleted, thanks.
[14:03:14] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) user-select:none for editsection buttons and other buttons - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34445  (10fomafix)
[14:03:40] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Install Jenkins Artifactory Plugin to distribute MWDumper as a Maven Artifact - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34394  (10orenbochman)
[14:03:42] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Build is Fragile - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34392  (10orenbochman)
[14:03:45] <^demon>	 Is there a regression in DeletedUserContributions?
[14:03:54] <^demon>	 I can't seem to get it to load an IPs deleted contribs.
[14:04:05] <^demon>	 Using the $par or input field.
[14:06:09] <MikaelLindmark>	 jere_n: http://www.ndwiki.org/mw/
[14:07:02] <MikaelLindmark>	 jere_n: It's not a clean code
[14:07:17] <^demon>	 It works for usernames, just not IP addresses. Hrm.
[14:07:57] <hexmode>	 ^demon: I vaguely recall some changes here, but could you file a bug report and tag it for the 1.19wmf1 milestone just in case?
[14:07:58] <Krenair>	 ^demon, I'm having the same problem.
[14:08:19] <Krenair>	 Created page as 127.0.0.1, logged in, deleted, went to Special:DeletedContributions/127.0.0.1 and nothing was listed
[14:08:21] <sumanah>	 hexmode: ^^^
[14:09:28] <jere_n>	 MikaelLindmark: give me a sec and i'll check it out
[14:09:39] <hexmode>	 Krenair: if ^demon files that report could you comment on it?
[14:09:46] <^demon>	 Filing now.
[14:09:51] <Krenair>	 hexmode, sure, why not
[14:10:34] <MikaelLindmark>	 jere_n: Great. I'll clean it up (and add more checks) before I publish it,
[14:11:49] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Regression: Deleted contributions not working for IP addresses - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34471 major; MediaWiki: Special pages; (innocentkiller)
[14:12:03] <hexmode>	 Krenair: ^^ the bug
[14:12:07] <Krenair>	 yep saw it
[14:12:13] <hexmode>	 :)
[14:12:41] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Regression: Deleted contributions not working for IP addresses - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34471  (10Chad H.)
[14:12:58] <sumanah>	 hey ^demon may I pm?
[14:13:00] <^demon>	 mmk, filed. I threw you on the cc list hexmode.
[14:13:05] <^demon>	 sumanah: Sure.
[14:13:09] <MikaelLindmark>	 jere_n: The purpose id to use it in a corporate environment. Not the in the wiki I upload it to (just to clearify)
[14:13:17] <Krenair>	 hexmode, according to my permissions in preferences on bugzilla, I have canconfirm. How do I use that? (Am I even supposed to?) 
[14:13:20] <hexmode>	 excellent
[14:13:53] <hexmode>	 Krenair: you can confirm  bugs, but we don't use it, so don't worry about it :)
[14:14:08] <Krenair>	 ok
[14:14:30] <sumanah>	 MikaelLindmark: Greg Varnum (varnent) wants to chat with people who run wikis in corporate environments
[14:14:41] <sumanah>	 MikaelLindmark: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Varnent in case you want to make contact with him
[14:15:18] <sumanah>	 the goal is to get feature requests, improvement in MediaWiki development/distribution processes, etc
[14:15:30] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Regression: Deleted contributions not working for IP addresses - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34471  +comment (10dimension-)
[14:15:31] <MikaelLindmark>	 sumanah:I'll do
[14:15:34] <Krenair>	 hexmode, commented
[14:15:59] <sumanah>	 thanks MikaelLindmark 
[14:16:09] <hexmode>	 I was talking with a friend last night who would like to hide parts of pages from people -- that sounds related to what varnent wanted, sumanah.
[14:16:18] <Krenair>	 sumanah, I figured out why those links weren't working. local interwiki links wont work. You can't go to <lang>*/wiki/<lang>, you just get an error.
[14:16:38] <sumanah>	 Krenair: aha!
[14:16:44] <hexmode>	 but maybe it already exists... do you know if MW can hide parts of pages already ^demon ?
[14:16:54] <hexmode>	 with an extension or something
[14:16:57] <Krenair>	 e.g. http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/en: or http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/fr:
[14:17:09] <^demon>	 hexmode: No, it would fragment the parser cache.
[14:17:16] <Krenair>	 On mediawiki.org it defaults to en, so you can't use that style link for en
[14:17:35] <hexmode>	 ^demon: ah, good point.  ty
[14:18:19] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) MobileFrontend's expandable sections should be pure-JS - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34422  +comment (10Jon)
[14:23:14] <vvv>	 Oh great, at the end it turned out to be my fault, not LuaJIT's
[14:24:19] <jere_n>	 MikaelLindmark: sorry but i got to go now! maybe some of the other guys here can check it out. cheers!
[14:25:17] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) enwiki: Limit non-autoconfirmed users to creating two new accounts in a 24 hour period - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/32234  +comment (10Yanksinfinite)
[14:30:37] <wikibugs>	 14(INVALID) svn loop - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34462  (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[14:36:44] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) (un)watch button broken - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34469  +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[14:41:49] <beli>	 someone here using PdfBook extension? i am not able to create pdf files on the fly with htmldoc. gernerated pdf files just contain an error message that htmldoc is missing html input files. any ideas?
[14:42:05] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) All sections in Preferences visible - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34466  +comment (10sam)
[14:44:29] <Kaizen>	 hi i am getting this error when trying to install Your session data was lost! Check your php.ini and make sure session.save_path is set to an appropriate directory.  i made sure php.ini is configured and apache has the right permissions to the tmp dir and i can see session files being written during install but can't get past first continue
[14:44:50] <^demon>	 hashar: fyi, I moved CodeReview to git. Only you me and Sam really work on it anyway :)
[14:44:57] <^demon>	 Still needs a .gitreview
[14:45:30] <hashar>	 we can probably start moving some of the /trunk/tools scripts too
[14:45:37] <hashar>	 and nuke them form the SVN repo
[14:47:30] <Kaizen>	 hmm nevermind sorry, it works through ssl ok, looks like might be a cache problem
[14:47:35] <Krenair>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Sunny_Yoo Not sure if spam...
[14:48:58] <sumanah>	 Krenair: out of scope in any case. deleted.
[14:49:50] <sumanah>	 thanks for the heads-up.
[14:50:26] <MikaelLindmark>	 exit
[14:50:47] <codurr>	 New code comment: Jarry1250; (Incidentally, if someone does feel like re-committing this on my behalf, note that I'm already list; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111186#c31091>
[14:50:59] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) Regression: Deleted contributions not working for IP addresses - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34471  +comment (10Alexandre Emsenhuber [IAlex])
[14:51:12] <^demon>	 hashar: Well, not nuke them from svn. Just make them readonly.
[14:51:28] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Users can login with global account and create an account in a wiki even if IP is blocked from account creations - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/11148  +comment (10Sumana Harihareswara)
[14:51:31] <ialex>	 ^demon: there you are
[14:51:43] * ^demon  hides

[14:51:45] <^demon>	 What's up?
[14:52:16] <Krenair>	 ^demon: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34471
[14:53:09] <^demon>	 I saw :)
[14:53:35] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) ProofreadPage broken for GIF images due to assuming it can always create thumbnails - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/17791  +comment (10Sumana Harihareswara)
[14:53:57] * ialex  actually stabs Roan for having introduced the bug

[14:54:48] <Reedy>	  :D
[14:56:18] <^demon>	 ialex: Thanks for fixing that. I just tossed it in BZ when I noticed the breakage and I was busy doing other thanks.
[14:56:27] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Regression: Deleted contributions not working for IP addresses - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34471  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[14:56:29] <^demon>	 s/thanks./things./
[14:56:47] <sumanah>	 ^demon: were you counting your blessings? :)
[14:56:57] <^demon>	 Must've been :)
[14:57:10] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Editing fails in IE7 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34458  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[14:58:01] <Reedy>	 ^demon: it was also a dupe :p
[14:58:02] <wikibugs>	 14(DUP) DeletedContribution is broken - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34456  +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[14:58:04] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Regression: Deleted contributions not working for IP addresses - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34471  +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[15:00:42] <^demon>	 It didn't show up in the dupe suggestion list and I couldn't be bothered to actually look ;-)
[15:00:49] <Reedy>	 heh
[15:01:19] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Less expensive redirect article handling by dumpHTML - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/7416  +comment (10Ariel T. Glenn)
[15:03:21] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Editing fails in IE7 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34458  +comment (10sam)
[15:03:48] <Kaizen>	 where do i set the db type to InnoDB - install process is complaining it's MyISAM but there is no option to choose InnoDB during install
[15:05:25] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Code review emails sent to duplicate addresses - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34464  +comment (10Rob Lanphier)
[15:06:22] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Link attribute of file: should identify non-existing page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34463  normal->15enhancement (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[15:08:24] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Code review emails sent to duplicate addresses - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34464  +comment (10sam)
[15:11:10] <wikibugs>	 14(DUP) Code review emails sent to duplicate addresses - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34464  +comment (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[15:11:14] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) mutiple headers - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34421  +comment (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[15:15:26] <sumanah>	 Kaizen: don't know..... if you do not get an answer here try the mediawiki-l list
[15:15:29] <sumanah>	 !lists | Kaizen 
[15:20:59] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Build is Fragile - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34392  +comment (10orenbochman)
[15:22:01] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Code review emails sent to duplicate addresses - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34464  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[15:28:02] <sumanah>	 preilly: In the next week I'd like to follow up on http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:PerfektesChaos/WikidiffLX/coding and may need your help
[15:28:41] <sumanah>	 preilly: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benutzer_Diskussion:PerfektesChaos#Wikidiff_changes might also be useful to reference
[15:29:32] <preilly>	 sumanah: I'll probably not be able to follow-up until the 2nd of March
[15:29:45] <preilly>	 sumanah: I'm in Europe until then
[15:29:47] <sumanah>	 preilly: understood. 
[15:30:19] <sumanah>	 preilly: you also have an open question at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User_talk:Preilly
[15:32:07] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) test/mediawiki/core2 has some big objects - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34472 normal; Wikimedia: Git/Gerrit; (hashar)
[15:33:09] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) test/mediawiki/core2 has some big objects - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34472  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[15:33:36] <hashar>	 ^demon: tried to drop them on monday, did not come up with any solution :-(
[15:33:43] <hashar>	 guess I will ask in stack overflow :-D
[15:34:05] <hashar>	 one way would be to ignore/skip the faulty commits with svn2git
[15:34:06] <^demon>	 I'm going to repack that core2 again. I kind of messed some stuff up with it.
[15:34:36] <hashar>	 name it core3 so ?
[15:34:55] <^demon>	 Doing sub-matching is kind of difficult. I tried ignoring /trunk/phase3/extensions but since it matched /trunk/phase3 it didn't work.
[15:35:30] <hashar>	 to get ride of wikihiero ?
[15:35:35] <^demon>	 Yeah
[15:36:05] <^demon>	 It'd be annoying to match each directory in /trunk/phase3/* across the whole history
[15:36:28] <hashar>	 could it be fixed in the svn2git  script/software ?
[15:36:39] <hashar>	 cause we could well as whoever is the author to enhance the software for us
[15:37:28] <hashar>	 seriously
[15:37:35] <hashar>	 I keep eating words and letters in my sentences
[15:37:42] <^demon>	 Nobody's going to maintain that software :p
[15:38:00] <^demon>	 Pretty much every svn-to-git piece of software out there is written then abandoned when the community in question is done migrating.
[15:38:09] <^demon>	 It's a pain, and nobody seems to want to maintain these sorts of things.
[15:38:41] <hashar>	 that make sense
[15:38:54] <hashar>	 so we have to add some kind of exception handling
[15:39:05] <hashar>	 or find out all paths in use in /trunk/phase3  :-(
[15:39:13] <^demon>	 Feel free, the files are in the repo :)
[15:39:37] <hashar>	 I will do that using git log | some perl oneliner
[15:39:45] <hashar>	 is there a bug open for it?
[15:39:48] <^demon>	 No.
[15:40:12] <^demon>	 Just work on the svn2git thing. It'll be faster than piping to some perl oneliner :p
[15:40:35] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) MobileFrontend's expandable sections should be pure-JS - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34422  +comment (10maxsem.wiki)
[15:40:38] <hashar>	 given svn2git is in C/C++ or something, would be faster to perl online some log processor :D
[15:41:00] <^demon>	 hashar: Faster as in you can write perl faster than c++?
[15:41:10] <hashar>	 sure
[15:41:22] <apergos>	 gitsvn or whatever it is, is in perl btw
[15:41:32] <hashar>	 oh I can write perl 
[15:41:44] <hashar>	 but I can not reuse some other developer perl stuff
[15:41:47] <^demon>	 apergos: Yeah but gitsvn doesn't rewrite svn history to git properly :)
[15:42:09] <hashar>	 ^demon: I don't know C/C++/Java :-(
[15:42:17] <hashar>	 never took the time to start learning them
[15:42:27] <^demon>	 hashar: I've got a book you can borrow.
[15:42:39] <hashar>	 the first C program I ever wrote was an hello world that throw something like 29 fatal error and 243 warnings
[15:42:44] <hashar>	 so I gave up learning C that day
[15:43:00] <hashar>	 (ends up I did not include stdio.h or something)
[15:43:08] <hashar>	 I switched back to Pascal / x86 assembly
[15:43:14] <^demon>	 Were you coming to Wikimania?
[15:43:22] <hashar>	 then delphi, then started a networking career :-D
[15:43:41] <hashar>	 I am not going to Wikimania
[15:43:49] <^demon>	 Aw :(
[15:44:09] <hashar>	 I have not that much interest in it so I though it would be better to leave a slot to someone who really want to get there
[15:44:39] <hashar>	 what is the book name?
[15:44:57] <hashar>	 or ISBN ?
[15:45:01] <sumanah>	 hashar: you're not the only one who thinks that way
[15:45:05] <sumanah>	 re Wikimania slots
[15:45:11] <hashar>	 someone recommended me "The art of unix programming" or something like that
[15:45:14] <^demon>	 "C++ from the Ground Up"
[15:45:42] <^demon>	 I was going to donate it to the office library :)
[15:45:56] <hashar>	 sumanah: probably because I never attended any WikiMania. There is probably too many people for me
[15:46:04] * Lcawte  is tempted to see if theres a 'MediaWiki for Dummies' book

[15:46:21] <sumanah>	 Lcawte: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Books_about_MediaWiki
[15:46:30] <sumanah>	 hashar: approx 500 
[15:46:33] <^demon>	 Lcawte: Yes, there is. But none of us wrote it :)
[15:46:35] <sumanah>	 hashar: depends on the year, location, etc
[15:46:52] <hashar>	 ^demon: I have added a self note to me
[15:46:53] <MaxSem>	 hashar, C++? run!
[15:46:56] <sumanah>	 Lcawte: and there's the various automatically compiled guides Wikinaut has made
[15:47:14] <Lcawte>	 ^demon: So I'm guessing the book has a huge {{Citation needed}} sticker on the front?
[15:47:20] <hashar>	 it is unlikely I will ever find time to read any programming book anyway
[15:47:40] <hashar>	 I haven't read anything for the last year or so :-(
[15:47:43] <sumanah>	 hashar: some books have very good return-on-investment, in terms of immediately useful info
[15:47:51] <sumanah>	 hashar: well you have a baby!
[15:48:11] <sumanah>	 hashar: the books you are reading are, like, Mother Goose, St-Exupery, etc
[15:48:26] <Lcawte>	 Oh dear, you know that facebook users are braindead when you see 'CityVille for Dummies'...
[15:48:33] <sumanah>	 http://www.amazon.com/Story-About-Ping-Marjorie-Flack/dp/0140502416
[15:48:45] <limograf>	 hello, may i ask a question?
[15:48:57] <limograf>	 er, another question
[15:49:11] <Lcawte>	 !ask
[15:49:15] <sumanah>	 hi limograf go ahead!
[15:49:18] <limograf>	 in this bug they are all discussing an html change
[15:49:19] <limograf>	 https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16190
[15:49:22] <sumanah>	 hashar: http://www.amazon.com/review/R2VDKZ4X1F992Q/ref=cm_cr_dp_perm?ie=UTF8&ASIN=0140502416&nodeID=283155&tag=&linkCode= specifically
[15:49:26] <Lcawte>	 Oh, no mw-bot?
[15:49:36] <limograf>	 but it's not necessary to change the html to use the css this guy wants
[15:49:48] <limograf>	 so i am am presuming there is something i have missed
[15:50:08] <limograf>	 i don't want to go crashing in there teaching them to suck eggs etc so forth
[15:50:17] <sumanah>	 :-)
[15:50:45] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) test/mediawiki/core2 need to drop /trunk/phase3/extensions/wikihiero - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34473 normal; Wikimedia: Git/Gerrit; (hashar)
[15:50:53] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) MobileFrontend's expandable sections should be pure-JS - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34422  +comment (10jrobson)
[15:50:54] <sumanah>	 Reedy: botreboot?
[15:50:57] <Lcawte>	 ^demon: Do you have a link to it?
[15:51:22] <Reedy>	 toolserver login server seems down again
[15:51:26] <limograf>	 how do i find the css coding standards - my conclusion is that the css solution must be a banned approach
[15:51:28] <sumanah>	 limograf: our front-end experts Roan & Krinkle don't seem to be here at the moment
[15:51:30] <hashar>	 sumanah: well I don't have anytime to read anything :-D
[15:51:34] <sumanah>	 nod
[15:51:44] <hashar>	 sumanah: usually I read technical book straight then spend 2 weeks practising
[15:51:52] <hashar>	 I then archive the book.
[15:52:12] <sumanah>	 johnduhart: brion__ or Nikerabbit maybe you have an answer for limograf?
[15:52:23] <sumanah>	 or Platonides ^
[15:52:55] <sumanah>	 limograf: so, the parser is a pretty scary part of MediaWiki and is currently being rewritten
[15:53:27] <limograf>	 hahaha! at my old OSD it was the same
[15:53:28] <sumanah>	 limograf: the last comment on that bug is from about 13 months ago.  you're new here so you might not have seen, but gwicke is working on rewriting the parser
[15:53:52] <sumanah>	 he started...a few months ago
[15:54:03] <limograf>	 ok, so just don't bother
[15:54:04] <limograf>	 kk
[15:54:10] <gwicke>	 ..and is still at it ;)
[15:54:15] <sumanah>	 limograf: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Parsoid 
[15:54:35] <hashar>	 OHHHH
[15:54:39] <hashar>	 yet another parser project :-D
[15:54:56] <sumanah>	 limograf: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Annoying_Little_Bug and https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&keywords=easy&bug_severity=normal&bug_severity=minor&bug_severity=trivial&bug_severity=enhancement&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&product=MediaWiki&product=MediaWiki%20extensions&list_id=91461 are nicer places to look for easy-to-comment-on CSS/JS/HTML bugs
[15:55:16] <gwicke>	 hashar: nah- I just had to find a unique name as guillom was complaining about 'new parser' as a page title..
[15:55:29] <hashar>	 I like parsoid
[15:55:37] <sumanah>	 limograf: I think "don't bother" *for now* -- just because I think gwicke and Audrey will get to it first
[15:55:50] <gwicke>	 hashar: Amgine came up with it
[15:55:56] <sumanah>	 limograf: Audrey is also going to be working on this -- she's not around right now but her handle is Au
[15:56:00] <hashar>	 it is just missing a trema on the i
[15:56:05] <limograf>	 ok, so, there's no documentation for css coding standards?
[15:56:06] <hashar>	 Parsoïd
[15:56:08] <hashar>	 :-D
[15:56:15] <sumanah>	 limograf: that's a good question!
[15:56:28] * sumanah  looks on mediawiki.org

[15:56:31] <gwicke>	 hashar: very cute ;)
[15:56:36] <hashar>	 19:08, 13 February 2012 (UTC): 238 passed, 0m7.1 seconds with --cache    \o/
[15:56:42] <limograf>	 it must be banned because it's so easy to select following content
[15:56:44] <limograf>	 with css
[15:56:44] <hashar>	 you are making progresses
[15:56:48] <sumanah>	 here's what we got https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Coding_conventions/CSS limograf 
[15:56:53] <Nikerabbit>	 sumanah: what is the question?
[15:56:55] <limograf>	 great thanks
[15:57:22] <sumanah>	 Nikerabbit: re https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16190 -- <limograf> but it's not necessary to change the html to use the css this guy wants  <limograf> so i am am presuming there is something i have missed
[15:57:39] <sumanah>	 limograf: and then https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Coding_conventions also apply to everything, including CSS
[15:58:21] <limograf>	 thank you
[15:58:25] <sumanah>	 you're welcome!
[15:58:40] <sumanah>	 it's a breath of fresh air to have someone come in and their 2nd question be "lemme see your coding standards" :-)
[15:58:47] <sumanah>	 a good omen
[15:59:17] <limograf>	 well i just spent 4 years trying to get people to follow MY coding standards
[15:59:39] <sumanah>	 ouch!
[15:59:43] <limograf>	 so i am sold on that idea
[15:59:55] <gwicke>	 hashar: there is progress, but I wished it was a bit quicker..
[16:00:33] <sumanah>	 limograf: if you wanna be a little ambitious, you could write unit tests that yell if someone commits CSS that doesn't follow the coding standards.  Our automated test coverage is pretty skimpy right now
[16:00:55] <limograf>	 i'll keep that in mind
[16:01:08] <limograf>	 i'm also interested in what metrics i can get hold of
[16:01:24] <sumanah>	 limograf: for our dev community, for MediaWiki in general, or other?
[16:01:45] <hexmode>	 sumanah: what was the place to look if you want to start on skins?
[16:01:58] <sumanah>	 limograf: http://www.ohloh.net/p/mediawiki is ok for general stuff, http://toolserver.org/~robla/crstats/ has some re our code review backlog
[16:02:23] <sumanah>	 hexmode: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:MediaWiki_architecture#Extensions_and_skins is a good place to start.  What's up?
[16:02:44] <limograf>	 ok thanks, i will look through that and think about what i want
[16:02:46] <sumanah>	 cool
[16:03:07] <hexmode>	 sumanah: writing email to a friend about his MW use.  I think it would help him.
[16:03:17] <sumanah>	 hexmode: http://blog.redwerks.org/2012/02/08/mediawiki-skinning-tutorial/ is another useful resource
[16:03:53] <hexmode>	 that's what I was looking for :)
[16:03:55] <hexmode>	 tyvm
[16:07:35] <gwicke>	 limograf: the id-on-header bug seems to make sense, and can also be tackled in the current PHP parser. It just takes somebody to find solutions for the edge cases re id conflicts, and the will to push it through.
[16:08:01] <sumanah>	 oh, and limograf http://blog.redwerks.org/2012/02/08/mediawiki-skinning-tutorial/ has some information about how we currently do skins and themes.  The documentation on mediawiki.org is out of date and needs to be brought into reality -- http://blog.redwerks.org/2012/02/08/mediawiki-skinning-tutorial/ is a good guide.  So if you want to turn your learning journey into docs, that would be a good thing to do
[16:08:06] <sumanah>	 and it's ok to ask questions here
[16:08:45] <sumanah>	 ( https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Skinning and its links are obsolete)
[16:08:45] <limograf>	 it didn't make sense to me because they're two separate issues? His issue is how do I select this header by this id, which he can do with the general sibling combinator
[16:09:07] <limograf>	 the second issue is excessively verbose markup
[16:09:17] <limograf>	 which is what everyone discussed
[16:09:44] <limograf>	 and i will document as i go, aye, as best i can, though, like everyone else, i hate docs and am terrible at them
[16:09:46] <gwicke>	 it is possible to work around it, but would be nicer to clean up the html
[16:09:49] <sumanah>	 heh
[16:10:08] <limograf>	 yes i agree! i'm always in favour of tidying up
[16:10:19] <limograf>	 but it is unrelated to his css problme
[16:10:55] <limograf>	 anyway sorry! thank you!
[16:11:05] <gwicke>	 with parser output changes the trouble is that you permanently feel like wading through a swamp, as there might be problems triggered with any minor change
[16:11:23] <gwicke>	 so everybody is scared about the unknown unknowns..
[16:11:23] * limograf  nods and sympathises

[16:12:52] <sumanah>	 it's a horror movie I guess
[16:13:11] <sumanah>	 gwicke is the SWAT team brought in by helicopter in the final scene
[16:13:22] <sumanah>	 as the survivors comfort each other
[16:13:24] <sumanah>	 we survived
[16:13:27] <sumanah>	 but at what cost
[16:13:29] <sumanah>	 roll credits
[16:14:16] <gwicke>	 I guess the trick it to have a big banana dangling in front so that all the breakage can be pushed through in one swoop
[16:14:17] <codurr>	 New code comment: Reedy; I'll write a mailing list post proposing the bump of the minimum version to PHP 5.3; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111688#c31094>
[16:14:42] <sumanah>	 ashish_d: do you mind if we chat here about Google Summer of Code?
[16:14:49] <gwicke>	 piecemeal breakage does not work nearly as well I guess
[16:14:57] <ashish_d>	 sumanah: all good :-)
[16:15:40] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) [SF] Special:RunQuery enhancement to be able to populate red-links automatically - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34150  +comment (10yaron57)
[16:16:06] <sumanah>	 ashish_d: ok, I'm pulling up http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Visual_editor/Realtime_collaboration and https://github.com/dash1291/VE-collaboration
[16:16:13] <gwicke>	 but Tim went there before- I just noticed that something I thought I had to implement was already broken by the last preprocessor rewrite
[16:17:06] <sumanah>	 ashish_d: realtime collaborative editing is an AMBITIOUS project for GSoC, I think, but if you're starting now that's more promising and reduces my worries
[16:17:26] <sumanah>	 ashish_d: yes, I highly recommend that you start writing and circulating your proposal as soon as you can
[16:17:49] <gwicke>	 ashish_d: realtime stuff already motivates a lot of the data model used by the visual editor
[16:17:55] <gwicke>	 linear model for OT and so on
[16:18:06] <sumanah>	 ashish_d: you've met Gabriel? he's working on the parser underlying the new Visual Editor
[16:18:33] <gwicke>	 the idea is to move the linear model to the server and run the transactions and OT there to enable realtime stuff
[16:18:40] <ashish_d>	 sumanah: Thats right its an amibitious project, and it really interesting to work for it - thats what movitivating me
[16:19:14] <ashish_d>	 gwicke: yeah, the way visual editor is built, its motivating to build bring realtime editing to it
[16:19:33] <ashish_d>	 sumanah: Yes, I've talked to Gabriel before
[16:19:33] <sumanah>	 ashish_d: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Future/Real-time_collaboration and https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Tweetiki -- oh I hadn't seen these in a while.  ashley did you know ashish_d has a Twitter-related extension?
[16:19:37] <sumanah>	 oh ok
[16:19:54] <sumanah>	 ashish_d: you're right, it's totally motivating.  Lots of people want this!
[16:19:57] <gwicke>	 ashish_d: I think you should check out the transaction processing and the linear model in the editor
[16:20:13] <gwicke>	 should give you a good idea on how far along that is
[16:21:01] <ashish_d>	 gwicke: Yep, recently I've read alot on OT specifically how Google Wave implements it, wireframed a server, and a client adapter, just excited to start working with transactions now
[16:21:23] <sumanah>	 ashish_d: other random things that may interest you: https://github.com/aaronpk/phirehose https://github.com/aaronpk/MediaWiki-Changelog-Graphs 
[16:21:30] <gwicke>	 ashish_d: very cool!
[16:21:41] <ashish_d>	 sumanah: Tweetiki was my first extension - fun for learning :-)
[16:21:46] <sumanah>	 ashish_d: :-) yay!
[16:21:53] <gwicke>	 everybody seems to like OT ;)
[16:22:02] <sumanah>	 remind me, what's OT?
[16:22:13] <sumanah>	 OT to me means OffTopic
[16:22:13] <ashish_d>	 sumanah: operational transformation
[16:22:20] <sumanah>	 aha
[16:22:28] <sumanah>	 gwicke: https://github.com/dash1291/VE-collaboration in case you haven't seen it
[16:22:51] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) find out file names ever used in /trunk/phase3 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34474 normal; Wikimedia: Git/Gerrit; (hashar)
[16:22:58] <sumanah>	 ashish_d: you were at the Pune hackathon, right? how was that?
[16:23:02] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) find out file names ever used in /trunk/phase3 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34474  (10Antoine "hashar" Musso)
[16:23:04] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) test/mediawiki/core2 need to drop /trunk/phase3/extensions/wikihiero - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34473  (10Antoine "hashar" Musso)
[16:23:11] <gwicke>	 sumanah: oh- I had not seen that yet
[16:23:36] <hashar>	 ^demon: I have used a shell one-liner to find out the files used in /trunk/phase3 https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=34474  :-)
[16:23:38] <ashish_d>	 sumanah: It was awesome! Loved the experience, loved meeting the awesome people that were there
[16:23:44] <sumanah>	 yay! Wish I could have met you.
[16:23:53] <ashish_d>	 me too
[16:23:54] <sumanah>	 ashish_d: I hope you can come to a future event, such as the Berlin hackathon.
[16:24:12] <sumanah>	 ashish_d: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Salvatore_Ingala/GSoC_2011_application is an example of a previous GSoC application that was accepted.
[16:24:37] <ashish_d>	 sumanah: I wish I could come to Berlin, I've applied for WIkimania Scholarship though
[16:24:39] <gwicke>	 ashish_d: https://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/extensions/VisualEditor/modules/ve/dm/
[16:24:50] <gwicke>	 that is the data model with transactions etc
[16:24:53] <sumanah>	 well technically https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=User:Salvatore_Ingala/GSoC_2011_application&oldid=396627 is the diff that matches what he proposed, I think
[16:24:59] <ashish_d>	 sumanah: For the applications, thanks, that would help me draft mine
[16:25:13] <sumanah>	 ashish_d: there will be some financial subsidies available for the Berlin event -- keep your eyes on wikitech-l 
[16:26:35] <sumanah>	 ashish_d: if you want to be able to show off your hacks easily, you could do the development using a Wikimedia Labs environment.  Do you have a Labs account?
[16:27:14] <ashish_d>	 sumanah: I don't remeber if I have one, does the MW.org account work there?
[16:27:21] <sumanah>	 no, it doesn't, ashish_d 
[16:27:47] <sumanah>	 ashish_d: if you can log in at labsconsole.wikimedia.org then you have one
[16:30:43] <ashish_d>	 sumanah: Looks like I don't have it
[16:31:02] <wikibugs>	 03(WONTFIX) Cannot set time limit in safe mode - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34437  (10Antoine "hashar" Musso)
[16:31:32] <sumanah>	 ashish_d: ok, if you'd like one, I shall attempt to make you one!  I assume the email address you used to email me would be good enough as the email associated with the account?
[16:31:58] <ashish_d>	 sumanah: Yes, that would the one
[16:32:00] <sumanah>	 also, ashish_d, since you're intending on working on this, and you've already got code you're working on, how about requesting commit access? https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Commit_access_requests#Requesting_commit_access
[16:32:10] <sumanah>	 that way it'll be in our repo instead of github
[16:34:46] <ashish_d>	 sumanah: that sounds good, I'll write a request
[16:35:20] <sumanah>	 ashish_d: great! when I say I'll "attempt" to make you one, that is because I have never successfully made one.  It's always been like "ok, follow the steps, get hung up on something, Ryan needs to fix it"
[16:35:24] <MaxSem>	 Nikerabbit, is it safe to put language objects into memcached?
[16:35:26] <sumanah>	 and then it does get made!
[16:35:52] <sumanah>	 Labs is under construction. :-) at some point in the future it will be a turnkey dev env for MediaWiki and bots developers! but not quite yet.
[16:38:39] <ashish_d>	 Labs sounds to be a cool place, I would love to try it
[16:41:18] <Nikerabbit>	 MaxSem: dunno, prolly not
[16:41:39] <MaxSem>	 oh well, I do it in production:P
[16:42:12] * MaxSem  looks if molten CPUs leak from the cluster

[16:42:44] <MaxSem>	 but yes, definitely needs fixing
[16:43:02] <codurr>	 New code comment: Hashar; by convention we use either slash or %. Change is fine nonetheless.; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111566#c31097>
[16:45:00] <ashish_d>	 gwicke: I guess the ongoing changes to the linear model should not affect my working, if I'm able to do with the current model?
[16:45:33] <gwicke>	 ashish_d: which current model do you mean?
[16:45:51] <gwicke>	 the editor performs all transactions on the linear model
[16:45:55] <ashish_d>	 gwicke: the linear data model
[16:46:54] <gwicke>	 the mapping of dom to the linear model is changing afaik, but the basics will likely remain stable
[16:47:29] <gwicke>	 but I am just following that from a distance, you should ask Trevor about that
[16:47:52] <gwicke>	 he was working on adding inline images and similar constructs
[16:48:23] <ashish_d>	 gwicke: yep, I talk to him about it, he was like - 'yeah there will be some added elements into the linear model, if you can do it with current one, there shouldn't be a problem further'
[16:49:00] <gwicke>	 yep, I guess any changes from that should be minor at most
[16:49:22] <gwicke>	 roan is working on a direct conversion from HTML DOM to the linear model
[16:50:01] <gwicke>	 right now you have to generate WikiDom, which is then in turn converted to the linear model
[16:50:31] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Incorrect sorting columns in IP/CIDR format - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34475 normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (jebnor)
[16:52:00] <gwicke>	 ashish_d: do you plan to use the editor data model and transaction subsystem directly?
[16:52:31] <ashish_d>	 gwicke: yes, I think that should suffice my thing
[16:53:55] <gwicke>	 would be hard not to use it I guess
[16:55:44] <ashish_d>	 gwicke: Yes, thats what I thought
[16:57:47] <gwicke>	 ashish_d: we also need a proper node network service for the parser, maybe we could collaborate on that
[16:58:14] <gwicke>	 roan planned to work on that too, but he is about to move to the US, so has a lot of other stuff on his hands
[16:58:34] <ashish_d>	 gwicke: Hey, can I know a bit more in detail about it please?
[16:59:11] <gwicke>	 ashish_d: for simple editing, the idea is to run the parser in a node server
[16:59:30] <gwicke>	 the parser then fetches pages and templates through the api from the standard MW install
[17:00:13] <gwicke>	 and when the client saves, the node server is responsible for the conversion back to wikitext and saving a revision through the api
[17:00:27] <ashish_d>	 gwicke: I think I would need to do this in my project for writing a collaboration server
[17:00:49] <gwicke>	 yes, the collaboration aspect is just an extension on the server side
[17:01:12] <gwicke>	 instead of shipping HTML DOM to the client, a linear model is shipped and transactions on it are exchanged
[17:01:33] <gwicke>	 and the client logic that builds the HTML DOM from the linear model would move to the server
[17:01:54] <gwicke>	 for 'snapshot' commits back to the wiki
[17:02:55] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) mutiple headers - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34421  +comment (10hashar)
[17:02:57] <gwicke>	 the parser is currently written on node, but we don't expose it through the web yet
[17:03:06] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Set $wgLogo value for fawikisource - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34476 normal; Wikimedia: Site logos; (huji.huji)
[17:03:31] <Krenair>	 Is there an extension or something that adds a diff to the edit preview screen?
[17:03:45] <ashish_d>	 gwicke: yay! if its written in node already, then shouldn't pose much problem integrating it with the collaboration server
[17:04:34] <Krenair>	 hashar, I was wondering if you saw https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=34421 comment #7?
[17:04:45] <gwicke>	 ashish_d: yep ;)
[17:05:12] <gwicke>	 same applies to moving the client data model over
[17:05:22] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) wgLogo should be globally Wiki.png - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/26993  +comment (10Huji)
[17:06:15] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) mutiple headers - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34421  +comment (10hashar)
[17:08:11] <hashar>	 Krenair: yeah that was the issue
[17:09:03] <Krenair>	 hashar, ah k. I would offer a test patch but I have no way of testing mail()
[17:09:06] <hashar>	 Krenair: the PEAR method use the $headers array,   the PHP mail() method use both the $headers AND an explicit TO and a Subject
[17:09:33] <hashar>	 send your self some me mails :)
[17:10:02] <hashar>	 I use:  $hashar = new MailAddress( 'hashar@free.fr', 'Hashar Name' ); var_dump( UserMailer::send( $hashar, $hashar, 'SUBJECT', 'TEXT' ) );
[17:10:12] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) wgLogo should be globally Wiki.png - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/26993  +comment (10federicoleva)
[17:10:26] <Krenair>	 I don't think mail() works on my PHP installation
[17:10:28] <sumanah>	 ashish_d: whatever you learn from gwicke in IRC, if it isn't already in a doc on mediawiki.org, will you slap it together into bullet points and put it up there? :-)
[17:10:33] <hashar>	 put that in a file  and then   do    cat thefile | php maintenance/eval.php
[17:10:56] <hashar>	 Krenair: I will fix it tonight anyway  :-D
[17:12:01] <ashish_d>	 sumanah: Yeah, if I find there something should be put in its place on mediawiki.org, specifically on Visual_editor/Realtime_collaboration, I would
[17:12:22] <sumanah>	 thank you ashish_d! that will be a big help
[17:12:28] <sumanah>	 to you and to any of your future collaborators, of course
[17:12:37] <ashish_d>	 yep, thats right
[17:12:58] <hashar>	 heading out
[17:13:02] <hashar>	 see you tonight hopefully :-)
[17:19:26] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) add support for Dzongkha / Tibetan script - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33718  +comment (10Amir E. Aharoni)
[17:25:32] <Krenair>	 So apparently I can use mail(). To users on my local machine
[17:29:11] <Krenair>	 Okay, so I can send mail. But not to my @live.com address -.-
[17:29:27] <Krenair>	 oh well, that should be enough to test UserMailer
[17:32:11] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) svn loop - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34462  (10jdk370)
[17:38:45] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) autocomplete on property broken in Version 2.4-alpha revision r110391 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34116  +comment (10Yaron Koren)
[17:48:03] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) (un)watch button broken - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34469  +comment (10Rob Lanphier)
[17:51:38] <ToAruShiroiNeko>	 http://pastebin.com/GGz9hkSP
[17:51:39] <ToAruShiroiNeko>	 I get this error from wikipedia when I try to merge accounts
[17:52:31] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Uploads can end up with no file page, creating deletion and protection problems - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34228  +comment (10ct-cooper.wikimedia)
[17:52:59] <robla>	 chrismcmahon: you around?
[17:53:08] <chrismcmahon>	 hi robla 
[17:53:41] <robla>	 the issue ToAruShiroiNeko identified above looks like one that could be a high priority problem
[17:54:15] <robla>	 I'm not sure there's an easy way to repro this, since I think it only applies to legacy accounts, but could you research it?
[17:54:36] <chrismcmahon>	 robla: I'll see what I can do, try for a repro. 
[17:54:42] <mihaiv>	 hey guys, i've been searching everywhere and i can't find the answer for this: how can I add sub menus in media wiki like on the main wikipedia site? http://en.wikipedia.org/ (Community, Print/Export)?
[17:55:35] <robla>	 thanks
[17:56:45] <guillom>	 !sidebar | mihaiv 
[17:56:49] <guillom>	 hmm, no bot
[17:56:59] <guillom>	 gimme a sec
[17:57:22] <guillom>	 mihaiv, see https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Interface/Sidebar
[17:57:35] <mihaiv>	 perfect!!! thanks a lot!
[17:57:42] <guillom>	 np
[18:02:29] <chrismcmahon>	 robla: I'm not aware of an env with legacy users, which would be required to try to repro that 'merge accounts' issue. 
[18:03:01] <MaxSem>	 robla, so what did you notice in https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=34432 ?
[18:07:47] <codurr>	 New code comment: Reedy; <pre> \ // Load our site-specific l10n extensions \ include "$IP/extensions/WikimediaMessages/WikimediaM; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111713#c31099>
[18:10:47] <codurr>	 New code comment: GWicke; I had a quick look at this, but am worried about other action-using extensions. Would need to spend ; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/109678#c31100>
[18:16:03] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Install Artifactory to distribute MWDumper as a Maven Artifact - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34393  +comment (10rlane32)
[18:17:01] <robla>	 MaxSem: I just spoke with AaronSchulz about this.  looks javascript related
[18:17:20] <robla>	 MaxSem: are you able to see it?
[18:18:07] <Amgine>	 sumanah: standups in #Wiktionary-mobile
[18:18:47] <MaxSem>	 robla, nope. lemme try w/o JS
[18:19:16] <robla>	 actually, I should have been more specific.  are you able to see the problem?  :)
[18:19:47] <MaxSem>	 ewwwww, no. typical history line in mw.o: (cur | prev)   15:19, 28 January 2012‎ Karol007 (Talk | contribs | block)‎ . . (-1)‎ . . (small (correct?)) (undo)
[18:20:02] <MaxSem>	 what was the subject ogf the bug, lack of undo links?
[18:20:07] <robla>	 yeah
[18:20:17] <MaxSem>	 weird
[18:22:19] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) [SMW] 1.7; [patch] display cache information in SMW_ConceptPage.php - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34477 enhancement; MediaWiki extensions: Semantic MediaWiki; (jamesin.hongkong.1)
[18:27:08] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) missing file version after upload and strange log entries - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34427  +comment (10saibotrash)
[18:30:36] <robla>	 ToAruShiroiNeko: are you around?
[18:30:45] <ToAruShiroiNeko>	 yes
[18:30:53] <robla>	 can you work with chrismcmahon on a bug report?
[18:31:00] <ToAruShiroiNeko>	 but off for food be back in 30 mins or so
[18:31:02] <ToAruShiroiNeko>	 :)
[18:31:05] <ToAruShiroiNeko>	 sure I would be happy to
[18:31:15] <robla>	 thanks!
[18:31:29] <chrismcmahon>	 hi ToAruShiroiNeko let me know when you're free, we'll get a good bug report in.
[18:31:29] <robla>	 I'm disappearing into meetings for a little while myself
[18:37:08] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) missing file version after upload and strange log entries - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34427  +comment (10Rainer@Rillke.eu)
[18:38:46] <codurr>	 New code comment: Werdna; Works okay, but feels a bit fragile in its assumption that $IP is the directory that's checked out d; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111643#c31101>
[18:41:47] <codurr>	 New code comment: Raindrift; Does the JS code here need to check the user's bucket, or do users outside the test bucket get redir; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111426#c31102>
[18:42:23] <wikibugs>	 03(VERIFIED) Disallow: /wiki/Wikipedia:Qualit�tssicherung/ in http://de.wikipedia.org/robots.txt - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/7963  (10Dominic Z.)
[18:46:16] <codurr>	 New code comment: Reedy; Ignore that. \ Done it to both anyway; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111713#c31103>
[18:48:52] <ToAruShiroiNeko>	 I am available now
[18:48:58] <ToAruShiroiNeko>	 chrismcmahon you thgere?
[18:49:04] <chrismcmahon>	 hi ToAruShiroiNeko 
[18:49:07] <ToAruShiroiNeko>	 yay!
[18:49:26] <ToAruShiroiNeko>	 http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:MergeAccount&action=submit generates the error
[18:50:10] <ToAruShiroiNeko>	 I am trying to mere ro.wikipedia and www.mediawiki into my global account
[18:51:45] <chrismcmahon>	 ToAruShiroiNeko: just to be clear, after doing that for your account, your old accounts are not successfully merged?  or they are?  I think they're not, but want to be certain. 
[18:52:03] <ToAruShiroiNeko>	 a merge didnt succeed
[18:52:09] <ToAruShiroiNeko>	 I retain my global account I believe
[18:52:24] <ToAruShiroiNeko>	 Your account is active on 338 project sites.
[18:52:24] <ToAruShiroiNeko>	 Unconfirmed accounts with your name remain on 2 projects.
[18:52:53] <ToAruShiroiNeko>	 username rename is painful when sul is involved :/
[18:53:30] <Reedy>	 Stop renaming your accounts!
[18:55:14] <chrismcmahon>	 ToAruShiroiNeko:  do you have an account at https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/
[18:55:35] <ashish_d>	 sumanah: I just sent my commit access request
[18:55:49] <Kaizen>	 how do i change the wiki so people can create an account to edit?  i set it ti admins only during install but i can't see an admin interface to change it
[18:56:27] <sumanah>	 ashish_d: thanks!
[18:56:35] <sumanah>	 ashish_d: remind me, what city do you live  in/near?
[18:56:58] <ashish_d>	 sumanah: New Delhi, India
[18:57:22] <sumanah>	 I've only been there once, like a decade ago....
[18:57:54] <ashish_d>	 sumanah: I've been here for 1.5 years now, I live in a different town, here for college
[18:58:09] <sumanah>	 nod
[18:58:53] <ToAruShiroiNeko>	 chalcedony yes I do
[19:00:02] <codurr>	 New code comment: Aaron Schulz; I've seen '#' and '!'; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111566#c31106>
[19:00:14] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) mutiple headers - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34421  +comment (10dimension-)
[19:01:39] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) mutiple headers - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34421   +need-review +patch; +comment (10Sumana Harihareswara)
[19:02:56] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Special:MergeAccount&action=submit generates the error - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34478 normal; MediaWiki extensions: [other]; (to.aru.shiroi.neko)
[19:03:10] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Special:MergeAccount&action=submit generates error - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34478  summary (10とある白い猫)
[19:03:26] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Special:MergeAccount&action=submit generates error - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34478  (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[19:03:39] <ToAruShiroiNeko>	 chrismcmahon I created the report
[19:03:43] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Math hashes should include versioning to allow sensible updates - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/16719  +comment (10Sumana Harihareswara)
[19:03:51] <Reedy>	 Have you tried to merge them from a 1.18 wiki?
[19:04:26] <chrismcmahon>	 ToAruShiroiNeko:  if you have a Bugzilla account, I'd suggest you enter a new bug report looking something like this:  http://pastebin.com/pDcQi6v0
[19:04:30] <Krenair>	 sumanah, ty. more lessons learned: do not trust attachurl. I also forgot to add spaces inside array's params
[19:04:30] <ToAruShiroiNeko>	 Reedy maybe
[19:04:41] <ToAruShiroiNeko>	 ro.wikipedia and www.mediawiki.
[19:04:48] <Reedy>	 mw.org is on 1.19
[19:04:52] <Reedy>	 i didn't ask that
[19:05:17] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Special:MergeAccount&action=submit generates error - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34478  +comment (10to.aru.shiroi.neko)
[19:05:44] <sumanah>	 Krenair: oh, that's you!
[19:05:59] <Krenair>	 yep :)
[19:06:03] <ToAruShiroiNeko>	 Reedy I dont know what version each and every wiki is
[19:06:20] <ToAruShiroiNeko>	 I dont understand the quesiton
[19:06:44] <sumanah>	 Krenair: I've ensured that in the future you can add those keywords yourself
[19:06:48] <ToAruShiroiNeko>	 Mysterious future is a milestone?
[19:06:50] * sumanah  added some privileges in BZ

[19:07:03] <Krenair>	 sumanah, uh, I'll change my email to the one that matches my global account and IRC nick
[19:07:13] <sumanah>	 Krenair: oh ok!
[19:07:40] <sumanah>	 Krenair: you can update the patch, if you want! just upload a new patch, and use the checkboxes to indicate that it obsoletes the previous patch
[19:08:47] <Krenair>	 It's okay
[19:09:00] <sumanah>	 Krenair: well, it would be nicer 
[19:09:02] <Krenair>	 URL attach didn't work quite how I was expecting, it just attached a link
[19:09:13] <sumanah>	 yeah
[19:09:17] <codurr>	 New code comment: Werdna; What's the use context for checking if this feature is enabled or not? (I was confused for a moment ; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111439#c31107>
[19:09:17] <Krenair>	 I can still edit the patch through pastebin's interface
[19:10:36] * ToAruShiroiNeko  stabs chrismcmahon

[19:10:45] <chrismcmahon>	 ToAruShiroiNeko: ?
[19:10:50] <ToAruShiroiNeko>	 I posted it
[19:10:56] <ToAruShiroiNeko>	 is it to your liking?
[19:11:10] <sumanah>	 Krenair: I know some of us use semi-automated means to actually download patches from Bugzilla, test them, apply them, etc. and this may actually become the the norm in the future, so if you actually attach the text of the patch, that will prevent some potential issues 
[19:11:47] <Krenair>	 okay, I'll do that then
[19:12:01] <ToAruShiroiNeko>	 https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=34478
[19:12:10] * sumanah  used "actually" 3 times! headslap

[19:12:47] <yuvipanda>	 sumanah: you could've used it atleast 3 more times
[19:14:43] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) mutiple headers - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34421  +comment (10Alex)
[19:14:54] <Krenair>	 I hope that worked
[19:15:00] <chrismcmahon>	 ToAruShiroiNeko:  https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=34478  I think it would be helpful to say which accounts they were if you are comfortable with that.  Also, any information about having renamed any of those accounts would be useful.   Also, as Reedy said, have you tried merging those accounts on a wiki other than meta.wikimedia.org?   meta is running the very new 1.19 code release. 
[19:15:34] <sumanah>	 Krenair: checking
[19:16:09] <sumanah>	 yes, that worked Krenair, thanks
[19:16:28] <sumanah>	 Krenair: remind me, are you coming to any upcoming https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki_developer_meetings or possibly interested in https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Summer_of_Code_2012 ?
[19:17:25] <Krenair>	 sumanah, under age, so no
[19:17:55] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) [Regression] Enotifs should not produce duplicate Subject headers - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34479 normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (krinklemail)
[19:18:00] <sumanah>	 Krenair: maybe this autumn/winter you can do http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2011/10/google-code-in-are-you-in.html
[19:19:39] <wikibugs>	 03(ASSIGNED) [SMW] 1.7; [patch] display cache information in SMW_ConceptPage.php - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34477  +comment (10Jeroen De Dauw)
[19:22:10] <Krenair>	 sumanah, possibly!
[19:22:14] <Reedy>	 Has Krinkle just logged a dupe...
[19:22:40] <sumanah>	 Krenair: We didn't participate in 2011/2012 but if there's interest MediaWiki could participate in the future.
[19:23:02] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) [Regression] Enotifs should not produce duplicate Subject headers - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34479  +comment (10sam)
[19:23:41] <smcmillan>	 hi does anyone know if there is a hook to pull the raw html from action=render 
[19:24:06] <Krenair>	 Yeah, that looks like the same issue as this: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=34421
[19:24:37] <Lcawte>	 sumanah: I reckon WMF should mentor in 2012/the next one... 
[19:25:02] <codurr>	 New code comment: Dantman; So that an extension can actually write `$out->addMeta( 'property:og:title', 'Foo' );` and be sure t; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111439#c31108>
[19:25:06] <sumanah>	 Lcawte: "should" is all well and good, but are you willing to coordinate the drawing-up of the task lists? 
[19:25:18] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) Error: invalid magic word 'contributiontotal' - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34424  +comment (10Rob Lanphier)
[19:25:38] <sumanah>	 and to find mentors?
[19:25:57] <Lcawte>	 I'll find my mentor :P
[19:26:09] <Lcawte>	 Ummm... no, I have a hackathon to organise for that time of year... or atleast, I'm planning to... 
[19:28:17] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) mutiple headers - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34421  +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[19:28:18] <wikibugs>	 14(DUP) [Regression] Enotifs should not produce duplicate Subject headers - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34479  +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[19:28:47] <codurr>	 New code comment: Awjrichards; Actually wfGetIP() won't get us what we want here - it'll give us the client's IP address rather tha; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111746#c31109>
[19:29:28] <Lcawte>	 Reedy: officially, what do you do for the WMF? Whats in your job description? Because you seem to do a billion things, you manage bugs, develop code and release MW ^.^
[19:29:37] <Reedy>	 I've no idea
[19:30:15] <JeroenDeDauw>	 Nikerabbit: poke - around?
[19:30:18] <Lcawte>	 lol
[19:30:44] <JeroenDeDauw>	 Nikerabbit: not sure how I should change r111666 - can I just pass the array and then turn that into a list later on (where?)
[19:32:16] <Lcawte>	 Darn it... I want to play some games, but I'm 71% through this YouTube video upload and it won't be done for another... age... and I need to close my browser to play :(
[19:33:32] <codurr>	 New code comment: Bsitu; ArticleCreationUtil::isEnabled() is checking the users's bucket, if it's off, then redlink behavior ; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111426#c31110>
[19:33:46] <codurr>	 New code comment: Krinkle; Behavior should be unchanged for extensions. All this only affects core, and in core all actions hav; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/109678#c31111>
[19:34:24] <slyv>	 Hey
[19:34:39] <slyv>	 I run a mediawiki site, and am having trouble with the ship info box.
[19:35:08] <slyv>	 For some reason, when typing in content, it displays the html, instead of the infobox.
[19:35:14] <slyv>	 here's a link: http://iiwiki.wikkii.net/wiki/Kora_Class_SSN
[19:36:51] <Haley>	 slyv: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgUseTidy
[19:38:35] <ToAruShiroiNeko>	 chrismcmahon the username is written on the page
[19:38:41] <ToAruShiroiNeko>	 the 6 japanese characters :)
[19:39:48] <codurr>	 New code comment: Raindrift; Oh, I see. Totally. Thanks for clarifying. :); <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111426#c31112>
[19:40:04] <Lcawte>	 Meh, actually, my film download has almost finished, so I'm fine :D
[19:41:54] <MaxSem>	 Reedy, "Wikimedia. The only employer on Earth where workers don't know what they do because they do everything!" :P
[19:42:19] <slyv>	 So i just add "$wgUseTidy=true" to LocalSettings.php?
[19:42:27] <sumanah>	 I think this is known as "autonomy"
[19:42:36] <pokeswap-bug-rep>	 even with '*' edit = false IP address can still create pages !!!help
[19:42:47] <Haley>	 slyv: yes, try with that :)
[19:42:51] <Haley>	 semicolon ;
[19:42:58] <sumanah>	 pokeswap-bug-rep: what version of MediaWiki are you running?
[19:43:01] <slyv>	 Mhm
[19:43:09] <sumanah>	 pokeswap-bug-rep: and what extensions do you have installed?
[19:43:33] <pokeswap-bug-rep>	 1.18.1
[19:43:49] <slyv>	 But then it came up with an error above the page: "Warning: proc_open() has been disabled due to security reasons in home/iiwikiwi/public_html/iiwiki/includes/parser/Tidy.php on line 174
[19:44:25] <slyv>	 "
[19:44:28] <pokeswap-bug-rep>	 and protectsite, importusers, lastuserlogin
[19:44:29] <pokeswap-bug-rep>	 and more
[19:45:11] <pokeswap-bug-rep>	 usermerge webchat whatismyip 
[19:45:28] <Nikerabbit>	 JeroenDeDauw: jes you should be able to format in the place where the log entry is formatted
[19:45:28] <pokeswap-bug-rep>	 how do i stop them from spamming http://spyinginc.com/wiki
[19:45:32] <codurr>	 New code comment: GWicke; It would be nice if itemprops were wrapped in an itemscope, which does not yet seem to be the case. ; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111439#c31113>
[19:45:38] <sumanah>	 !spam
[19:46:05] <sumanah>	 you've already looked at http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Anti-spam_features pokeswap-bug-rep ?
[19:46:11] <Reedy>	 pokeswap-bug-rep: set 'createpage' to false too
[19:46:11] <sumanah>	 and http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Combating_spam ?
[19:47:40] <pokeswap-bug-rep>	 yes. they use their IP addresses and i have '*' edit = false
[19:48:17] <pokeswap-bug-rep>	 sorry it took soooooooooo long to respond, taking down spam from site
[19:48:35] <pokeswap-bug-rep>	 what is that?
[19:48:39] <Haley>	 slyv: that's php issue, check your php.ini file, if it's your server
[19:48:51] <Haley>	 have to go, sorry :)
[19:49:05] <slyv>	 Ah, well, thanks!
[19:52:48] <pokeswap-bug-rep>	 how would i test to see if the updates worked
[19:53:13] <sumanah>	 pokeswap-bug-rep: ask one of us to try to create a page?
[19:53:19] * sumanah  is too busy to help test, sorry

[19:54:02] <codurr>	 New code comment: Awjrichards; Is there a reason this fix hasn't been made in trunk as well?; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111614#c31114>
[19:54:27] <pokeswap-bug-rep>	 !help creating a page @ http://spyinginc.com/wiki
[19:54:31] <pokeswap-bug-rep>	 please
[19:55:27] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Gadgets aren't loading CSS and JS right on Category pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34480 normal; MediaWiki: Resource Loader; (mah)
[19:56:46] <pokeswap-bug-rep>	 did it work?
[20:02:10] <robla>	 hexmode: you around?
[20:02:46] <pokeswap>	 did anyone check and see if they could create a page?
[20:02:53] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) For version 1.16+:: With Apache 2.2 :: Session Hijacking or Cookie error in IE - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34455  (10awhizle)
[20:04:49] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) 1.19 change to display bytes added by [edit], as opposed to total page size after [edit] - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34449  +comment (10mah)
[20:05:38] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) svn loop - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34462  +comment (10bawolff+wn)
[20:08:17] <codurr>	 New code comment: Awjrichards; Returning to 'new' as this breaks compatibility with PHP < 5.3, pending a change in minimum PHP requ; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111690#c31116>
[20:08:32] <codurr>	 New code comment: Awjrichards; Returning to 'new' as this breaks compatibility with PHP < 5.3, pending a change in minimum PHP requ; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111691#c31117>
[20:08:33] <pokeswap>	 did anyone check and see if they could create a page?
[20:09:02] <codurr>	 New code comment: Awjrichards; Returning to 'new' as this breaks compatibility with PHP < 5.3, pending a change in minimum PHP requ; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111688#c31118>
[20:10:58] <Lcawte>	 I still love Brandon's quote on Wikimedia about the lifestyle..
[20:16:16] <codurr>	 New code comment: Dantman; <meta itemprop=>'s are usually scoped to the body. Extensions that need meta itemprop with a scope a; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111439#c31119>
[20:17:19] <Nikerabbit>	 uga
[20:19:44] <JeroenDeDauw>	 Nikerabbit: so that'd be in my subclass of LogFormatter?
[20:20:06] <JeroenDeDauw>	 Nikerabbit: how do I get a language there? Does not seem to have a context..
[20:21:59] <jorm>	 which quote where?
[20:22:27] <pokeswap>	 did anyone check if they could create a page on spyinginc.com/wiki
[20:22:37] <OrenOf>	 !git
[20:23:27] <Nikerabbit>	 JeroenDeDauw: LogFormatter has a context
[20:24:12] <JeroenDeDauw>	 Nikerabbit: meh, ok, indeed
[20:24:19] <JeroenDeDauw>	 Nikerabbit: but no getContext like evtything else
[20:25:09] <Nikerabbit>	 JeroenDeDauw: hmm no getter indeed
[20:25:14] <Nikerabbit>	 but $this->context is there
[20:26:55] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) 1.19 change to display bytes added by [edit], as opposed to total page size after [edit] - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34449  +comment (10bharris)
[20:28:47] <codurr>	 New code comment: GWicke; There seems to be no itemscope set on the body right now (at least grep did not turn up anything in ; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111439#c31121>
[20:30:04] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) 1.19 change to display bytes added by [edit], as opposed to total page size after [edit] - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34449  +comment (10aschulz4587)
[20:30:48] <sumanah>	 pokeswap: looks like everyone is busy, maybe the mailing list will help you
[20:30:54] <sumanah>	 mediawiki-l
[20:32:32] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) 1.19 change to display bytes added by [edit], as opposed to total page size after [edit] - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34449  +comment (10bharris)
[20:32:57] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) [SF] Special:RunQuery enhancement to be able to populate red-links automatically - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34150  +comment (10fastgoldfish)
[20:35:17] <codurr>	 New code comment: Awjrichards; Have you seen the 'Example' extension? I checked it in about a week ago for the Pune hackathon - it ; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111783#c31122>
[20:35:34] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) Enable WebFonts on am.wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34235  +comment (10Niklas Laxström)
[20:37:02] <codurr>	 New code comment: Siebrand; Actually, can we move these into "examples/"?; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111783#c31123>
[20:37:43] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Reverse DNS lookup - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34438  +comment (10octahedron80)
[20:39:28] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) WWII data censorship - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34481 critical; MediaWiki: Images and files; (jonathancsampson)
[20:41:45] <AaronSchulz>	 robla: ^
[20:42:01] <codurr>	 New code comment: Awjrichards; Ah yes, I remember you mentioning that when I showed you the 'Example' extension. I still haven't be; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111783#c31124>
[20:43:08] <wikibugs>	 14(INVALID) WWII data censorship - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34481  (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[20:43:33] <Reedy>	 spamspamspam
[20:43:45] <SPQRobin>	 oh noes, a conspiracy!
[20:47:25] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) [SF] checkbox, dropdown, & radiobutton field types targeted to populate text fields - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33600  +comment (10fastgoldfish)
[20:48:25] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) IE8 error: 'mw.user.options' is null on test2wiki (1.19) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34409  +comment (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[20:51:01] <codurr>	 New code comment: Nikerabbit; Ah ''pastöroitu'' is bad example word because of consonant gradation the correct form is pastöroid; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111744#c31125>
[20:55:47] <codurr>	 New code comment: Aaron Schulz; <pre>+ if ( $this->proxy && !$this->noProxy ) {</pre> \ Shouldn't this be an OR statement? \ This code ; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111588#c31126>
[20:56:17] <codurr>	 New code comment: Nikerabbit; Mmm not very readable code.; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111750#c31127>
[21:03:47] <codurr>	 New code comment: Dantman; And there are no itemprops set on <meta> items right now. OutputPageBodyAttributes lets extensions d; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111439#c31128>
[21:04:02] <codurr>	 New code comment: Kaldari; crap :); <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111783#c31129>
[21:06:05] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) IE8 error: 'mw.user.options' is null on test2wiki (1.19) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34409  +comment (10mah)
[21:10:11] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) wgLogo should be globally Wiki.png - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/26993  +comment (10huji.huji)
[21:11:18] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Global JavaScript not loading on some sites - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34482 normal; MediaWiki: Javascript; (hazard_sj)
[21:11:37] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Global JavaScript not loading on some sites - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34482  (10Hazard-SJ)
[21:12:10] <Amgine>	 sumanah has draft
[21:13:05] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) WWII data censorship - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34481  +comment (10bawolff+wn)
[21:14:32] <codurr>	 New code comment: Nikerabbit; Mixed indentation.; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111777#c31130>
[21:16:35] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Global JavaScript not loading on some sites - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34482  +comment (10sam)
[21:19:33] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Trailing whitespace not visible in code diffs - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34483 normal; MediaWiki extensions: CodeReview; (niklas.laxstrom)
[21:20:47] <codurr>	 New code comment: Reedy; http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/extensions/examples/; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111783#c31131>
[21:21:32] <codurr>	 New code comment: Nikerabbit; Where doesn't simple / work?; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111785#c31132>
[21:22:47] <codurr>	 New code comment: Awjrichards; Oops. Fixed in r111788; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111777#c31133>
[21:29:02] <codurr>	 New code comment: GWicke; Sorry- I somehow ignored OutputPageBodyAttributes when first reading it. In that case, it appears to; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111439#c31134>
[21:34:00] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Call to a member function setTimestamp() on a non-object - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34448  +comment (10Arthur Richards)
[21:38:13] <hexmode>	 Could someone look at https://eo.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Tracked and tell me why it doesn't work like https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Tracked ??
[21:47:38] <Reedy>	 Vague much?
[21:48:15] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) populateRevisionSha1.php misses archive rows, whose text is stored directly in the archive table (not text table) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34373  +comment (10Aaron Schulz)
[21:48:34] <hexmode>	 Reedy: under "Sample output" on eowiki:Template:Tracked
[21:48:48] <hexmode>	 sorry, had to walk out
[21:49:02] <codurr>	 New code comment: Werdna; Causes bug 34432 in Chrome; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/97042#c31135>
[21:49:37] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Undo buttons only being displayed next to diffs without edit summaries - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34432  +comment (10Andrew Garrett)
[21:52:07] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) (un)watch button broken - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34469  +comment (10Aaron Schulz)
[21:55:33] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Call to a member function setTimestamp() on a non-object - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34448  +comment (10maxsem.wiki)
[21:55:38] <Reedy>	 Just saw an OOM on cluster from WikiEditor.i18n.php...
[21:56:47] <MaxSem>	 we should store messages in SQLite
[21:57:17] <codurr>	 New code comment: Reedy; I just saw an OOM from WikiEditor.i18n.php onncluster...; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111713#c31137>
[21:57:38] <Reedy>	 well, CDB would make more sense
[21:57:48] <Reedy>	 We've the infrastructure setup already for that with LU
[21:58:17] <werdna>	 we should store messages in, um, whatsit
[21:58:25] <werdna>	 the web scale database
[21:58:25] <Dantman>	 Berkley?
[21:58:27] <werdna>	 Reedy knows
[21:58:31] <Dantman>	 Oh, MongoDB
[21:58:34] <werdna>	 that's the one
[21:58:38] <Reedy>	 Yup
[21:58:59] <Dantman>	 You know. If we have the infrastructure for CDB, sqlite isn't that much of a step up from that.
[21:59:06] <MaxSem>	 poor MongoDB, we'll never see it alive after we load all out messages into it
[21:59:10] <Krenair>	 Reedy, any new info on that token issue?
[21:59:18] <Reedy>	 Nope
[22:03:00] <Reedy>	 It'll be released at somepoint, but it's not a major bug
[22:03:42] <^demon>	 Why is the i18n file being loaded? It should be in the cdb file.
[22:04:01] <Reedy>	 No idea
[22:04:05] <Reedy>	 It's all vodoo and magic
[22:05:14] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) 1.19 change to display bytes added by [edit], as opposed to total page size after [edit] - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34449  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[22:06:33] <codurr>	 New code comment: Hashar; This commit is removing the Subject header when sending mails using PEAR so we need a better fix :-); <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111765#c31139>
[22:07:18] <wikibugs>	 03(ASSIGNED) mutiple headers - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34421  (10Antoine "hashar" Musso)
[22:07:36] <JeroenDeDauw>	 I stole the irc template from mw.org and used it here: https://0x20.be/Main_Page
[22:07:36] <JeroenDeDauw>	 For some reason the thing is linking to a page instead of having the irc:// link
[22:07:49] <JeroenDeDauw>	 Anyone know why this is?
[22:09:01] <^demon>	 https://0x20.be/smw/index.php?title=Template:Irc&action=edit make it pretty obvious.
[22:11:02] <codurr>	 New code comment: Kaldari; Unfortunately, it looks like putting extensions in /examples breaks the use of Special:ExtensionDist; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111783#c31140>
[22:13:09] <Reedy>	 lool
[22:14:39] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Old edit bar flashes before new edit bar shows up - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34431  (10bsitu)
[22:15:39] <robla>	 hexmode: I have an unexpected windfall of 45 minutes
[22:15:40] <sumanah>	 I need to spread word of this "here's how to mentor a GSoC project" guide: http://people.gnome.org/~federico/docs/summer-of-code-mentoring-howto/
[22:15:56] <hexmode>	 robla: let me pull up that etherpad
[22:16:02] <codurr>	 New code comment: Reedy; It doesn't work with GIT yet... \ But you can get it by selecting examples. \ https://upload.wikimedia; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111783#c31142>
[22:16:38] <sumanah>	 http://www.outercurve.org/Blogs/EntryId/45/Making-the-most-of-Google-Summer-of-Code-Dave-Neary-guest-blogger there's one bit in there that I am wrestling with: 
[22:16:39] <sumanah>	 "Most projects these days have a simple test task which they expect applicants to do as part of their application process - this could be as straightforward as checking out your source code, compiling and running it, changing one string in a user interface, and submitting a patch and a screenshot. The goal of this is to ensure students fulfill the basic prerequisites to be able to start working with your project. It can be worthwhile teaching basic
[22:16:39] <sumanah>	  programming skills, and helping people become familiar with developer tools, but that's not really what GSoC is for."
[22:17:03] <codurr>	 New code comment: Werdna; Reverted in r111798.; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/97042#c31144>
[22:17:08] <robla>	 http://etherpad.wikimedia.org/119triage
[22:17:40] <werdna>	 that was a really unnecessary domain purchase, Reedy 
[22:17:51] <werdna>	 $12 well spent
[22:18:16] <Quedel>	 where can I edit the license templates shown on the Special:Upload? I don't find it on the mediawiki.org-site
[22:18:18] <sumanah>	 I think my response is: no, basic programming skills are not part of the aim of GSoC, but I do think some students come into the application process without knowledge of some dev tools, and I aim to give them resources so they can get familiar with them
[22:18:18] <Reedy>	 I bet it's not the first... and it won't be the last...
[22:19:18] <AaronSchulz>	 werdna: how do get the star icon for watching pags?
[22:19:20] <AaronSchulz>	 *pages
[22:19:26] <werdna>	 Extension:Vector
[22:19:35] <Reedy>	 Quedel: MediaWiki:Licenses
[22:19:40] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Gadgets aren't loading CSS and JS right on Category pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34480  (10Ryan Kaldari)
[22:19:59] <Quedel>	 thanks Reedy
[22:20:13] <Reedy>	 I've got vector installed but don't get stars :(
[22:20:45] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) mutiple headers - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34421  +comment (10Alex)
[22:22:13] <AaronSchulz>	 werdna: now what variable actually turns them on?
[22:22:23] <AaronSchulz>	 must be in $wgVectorFeatures somewhere
[22:22:51] * Lcawte  is boredly waiting for the Half Life Dedicated server to download, and his YouTube video to upload so he can do something interesting at a decent speed...

[22:23:13] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) Undo buttons only being displayed next to diffs without edit summaries - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34432  +comment (10Andrew Garrett)
[22:23:25] <Reedy>	 AaronSchulz: this is the reason there's a bug open to fix the default settings of it ;)
[22:23:32] <codurr>	 New code comment: Bsitu; I want to keep function arguments as aligned as possible so it's easier to read; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111693#c31145>
[22:23:49] * AaronSchulz  likes overly complicated stuff

[22:23:53] <werdna>	 AaronSchulz: do love that about usability features
[22:24:03] <Lcawte>	 Reedy: Maybe so, but theres also another related bug... I believe its, number 1?
[22:24:07] <Reedy>	 $wgMaybeEnableFeature = true;
[22:24:10] <Reedy>	 Not really
[22:24:23] <AaronSchulz>	 I get the people want testing, but once a decision is made, stuff should be merged in to core and ext default adjusted
[22:24:45] * Reedy  waits for AaronSchulz to merge RenameUser into core

[22:25:21] <AaronSchulz>	 not until a certain bug # is resolved
[22:27:17] <wikibugs>	 03(ASSIGNED) 1.19 change to display bytes added by [edit], as opposed to total page size after [edit] - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34449  (10Andrew Garrett)
[22:28:24] <robla>	 $wgProbablyDontEnablewgMaybeEnableFeature = true;
[22:29:29] <Reedy>	 I still can't wait till we have $wgEnableGlobals
[22:29:58] <AaronSchulz>	 Reedy: it would never have any effect
[22:30:08] <AaronSchulz>	 or would it?
[22:31:29] <Reedy>	 we could invent our own superglobal
[22:32:13] <AaronSchulz>	 Reedy: $wgEnableGlobals is a bit self-referential, no?
[22:32:30] <Reedy>	 I think you're over thinking it :p
[22:33:26] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) ExtensionDistributor doesn't work for extensions inside the extensions/examples directory - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34484 normal; MediaWiki extensions: ExtensionDistributor; (rkaldari)
[22:36:06] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Gadgets aren't loading CSS and JS right on Category pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34480  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[22:36:31] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Global JavaScript not loading on some sites - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34482  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[22:37:09] <Lcawte>	 I need more computers. Someone send me a rack of servers or two...
[22:38:16] <Reedy>	 that could be 90+ machines for 2 racks..
[22:38:35] * AaronSchulz  sets $wgVectorUseIconWatch and still can't repro

[22:38:43] <Lcawte>	 Seriously? How big do racks get?
[22:39:28] <Reedy>	 AaronSchulz: repro what?
[22:39:43] <Reedy>	 You can get 50U racks
[22:39:48] <Reedy>	 i don't know wht the largest is
[22:39:52] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Gadgets aren't loading CSS and JS right on Category pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34480  +comment (10rkaldari)
[22:40:09] <Lcawte>	 Well, I'd probably find a use for them, doing what I don't know... ooh, actually, I have ideas already, just not the internet speed or space for them...
[22:40:12] <Lcawte>	 Seriously?!
[22:40:14] <Reedy>	 Or the power?
[22:40:17] <Reedy>	 Get someone to deliver you one of the HP data centres in a container
[22:40:46] <codurr>	 New code comment: Awjrichards; <code> \ function trySubmit() { \ 72 - global $wgOut,$wgUser; \ 74 + global $wgOut; \ </code> \ Why did ; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111465#c31147>
[22:41:06] <Lcawte>	 lol, I'm sure I could work out something for power... I'd just need a very very tall metal rod, and a constant supply of angry gods...
[22:41:20] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) All sections in Preferences visible - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34466  +comment (10Chris McMahon)
[22:41:24] <Reedy>	 You won't have 3 phase coming into your house
[22:41:27] <wikibugs>	 14(DUP) ExtensionDistributor doesn't work for extensions inside the extensions/examples directory - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34484  +comment (10p858snake)
[22:41:28] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Cannot download extensions that are not on root level - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/16423  +comment (10p858snake)
[22:41:35] <Lcawte>	 of the (Zeus) variety
[22:41:35] <Reedy>	 google suggests you can get racks that hold 80 machines..
[22:42:03] <Lcawte>	 Ok... how many houses do I have to bulldoze before I can fit one of them in?
[22:42:43] <Lcawte>	 or how many stories is that... depending on which way it goes..
[22:44:09] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) wgLogo should be globally Wiki.png - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/26993  +comment (10b)
[22:44:48] <sumanah>	 hi TrevorParscal_ -- seen https://github.com/dash1291/VE-collaboration ?
[22:46:59] <Lcawte>	 Well, I'd be happy with two people sized ones (6/7ft)... if someone left me in the Wikimedia data centre, I think I'd probably pass out...
[22:47:00] <TrevorParscal_>	 yeah, and I've been corresponding with ashish who's working on something similar and was taking a lot closer look at it
[22:47:40] <Joan>	 No ^demon?
[22:47:58] <Joan>	 Memo'd him.
[22:48:21] <sumanah>	 TrevorParscal: that's actually ashish's github account, I believe.
[22:48:34] <TrevorParscal>	 hrm...
[22:48:43] <Joan>	 <Reedy> You can get 50U racks
[22:48:59] <Reedy>	 ?
[22:49:05] <Joan>	 I read that as 500.
[22:49:07] <Joan>	 And got very confused.
[22:49:10] <Joan>	 We had a 42U rack at work before we switched to a 36U.
[22:49:11] <Lcawte>	 Wow, am I really using that much of my connection elsewhere that iPlayer is downloading at 150kb/s as opposed to its normal 8mb?
[22:49:12] <Reedy>	 lol
[22:49:15] <sumanah>	 I saw him in IRC this morning, TrevorParscal; looks like he's working on a GSoC proposal based on this stuff. If he wants to do that, do you think you could mentor him this summer?
[22:49:22] <Lcawte>	 O.O
[22:49:40] <sumanah>	 TrevorParscal: http://people.gnome.org/~federico/docs/summer-of-code-mentoring-howto/ is a reasonable thing to read before you answer me :-)
[22:50:26] <AaronSchulz>	 TrevorParscal: have you seen bug 34469?
[22:50:55] <TrevorParscal>	 sumanah: i would probably mentor him, yes
[22:51:25] <TrevorParscal>	 AaronSchulz: looks familiar
[22:51:27] <Lcawte>	 My school has a couple hidden around, one of them (the only one I've actually managed to find) literally has two 100mb/s switches in, and a UPS... one of the switches isn't in use, the rest is just empty, and it upsets me, because I'd love it to be full, and in my garage...
[22:51:38] <AaronSchulz>	 I can't repo locally
[22:51:43] <AaronSchulz>	 something is different somewhere
[22:51:44] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) 1.19 change to display bytes added by [edit], as opposed to total page size after [edit] - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34449  +comment (10Andrew Garrett)
[22:52:49] <Lcawte>	 I really do hope this is not my evening activity when I'm 21, unless I'm getting paid Google rates :P
[22:53:00] <Lcawte>	 Friday evening*
[22:53:06] <Reedy>	 AaronSchulz: it's broken locally for me
[22:53:07] <Dantman>	 Eh, pithy 100mb/s switches?
[22:53:28] <Lcawte>	 For 50 or so desktops, yeah...
[22:54:35] <Dantman>	 Nowadays any decent switch is 1000mb/s
[22:54:43] <AaronSchulz>	 Reedy: want to fix it then?
[22:55:02] <codurr>	 New code comment: Bsitu; <source lang="php"> \ // fetch our activity database information \ $feedback = $this->fetchFeedback( $fe; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111472#c31148>
[22:55:03] <Lcawte>	 Dantman: when would a school need a gb switch? :P
[22:55:05] <Reedy>	 AaronSchulz: it's replicable on test2
[22:55:13] <AaronSchulz>	 I have the issue on MW.org
[22:55:19] <AaronSchulz>	 just not locally
[22:55:24] <Lcawte>	 I do fine with 6 or 7mb/s download at home.. :P
[22:55:57] <Lcawte>	 Except on days like today of course..
[22:56:02] <Dantman>	 Lcawte: Sure... I suppose schools are low end. But 50 pc's. You want speed simply for the fact alone that you have many computers transmitting data at the same time.
[22:56:20] <Joan>	 Isn't that called bandwidth?
[22:56:21] <Dantman>	 Bandwidth used at the same time is cumulative.
[22:56:25] <Lcawte>	 Most of the time its Wikipedia/Google & MS Word...
[22:56:45] <Lcawte>	 Everything else is internal samba & ldap...
[22:56:57] <Reedy>	 start copying large files around
[22:57:00] <Lcawte>	 s/internal/LAN
[22:57:32] <Lcawte>	 I would, except the school know that I'm more skilled with IT, and theres a few terms in the acceptable use policy for the network...
[22:58:00] <Reedy>	 We could openly torrent and or leech from usenet at uni
[22:58:03] <Reedy>	 No one gave a shit
[22:58:32] <Dantman>	 Start stockpiling linux distro cd images using torrent files!
[22:58:34] * Lcawte  points to the uni word

[22:59:05] <Lcawte>	 If you know someone that will seed on port 80, and the http protocol...
[22:59:10] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Schema changes for 1.19 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34104  +comment (10robla)
[22:59:41] <Lcawte>	 School IT systems make me want to rage... and I only want to SSH home at lunch and setup new wordpress installs :(
[23:00:02] <Reedy>	 There's ALWAYS a way around it
[23:00:13] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Schema changes for MediaWiki 1.19 deployment to Wikimedia wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34104  summary (10MZMcBride)
[23:00:18] <Reedy>	 You're not just trying hard enough
[23:00:25] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) All sections in Preferences visible - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34466  +comment (10Ryan Kaldari)
[23:00:26] <Joan>	 FTFY.
[23:00:52] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) All sections in Preferences visible - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34466  (10Ryan Kaldari)
[23:01:56] <Lcawte>	 I'm trying too hard not to get banned from the network, which would be a pain, since I can't do any work for Business Studies or ICT (don't get me started on that! Well, Reedy probably knows, seen it on Facebook?)...
[23:03:46] <codurr>	 New code comment: Awjrichards; Rather than repeat: \ \ <pre> \ $linker = class_exists( 'DummyLinker' ) ? new DummyLinker : new Linker; \ ; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111354#c31149>
[23:05:01] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) All sections in Preferences visible - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34466  +comment (10rkaldari)
[23:06:24] <Lcawte>	 Its days like this, that I wish it was the 30's...
[23:06:35] <Lcawte>	 Well, kind of..
[23:09:01] * Dantman  wishes the MPAA was still fighting the VCR and oblivious to the fact that the Internet exists.

[23:09:20] <Reedy>	 AaronSchulz: it actually works intermittantly...
[23:09:56] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) All sections in Preferences visible - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34466  +comment (10rkaldari)
[23:12:57] <Lcawte>	 Hmm, if I was to drop out of school now... how much would it cost my mum (for 3 years of education fines)... and I'm not very likely to ever get contracted or employed by the WMF without any GCSEs/A-Levels/Degrees/Practical Experaince... so basicly I'd be semi-happy and uneducated... meh
[23:14:28] <Reedy>	 AaronSchulz: actually... It seems fine on test.wp.o, but not on test2.. More APC cache related issues?
[23:14:45] * AaronSchulz  blames JS

[23:15:20] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) (un)watch button broken - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34469  +comment (10sam)
[23:20:20] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Gadgets aren't loading CSS and JS right on Category pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34480  +comment (10mah)
[23:20:26] * Dantman  blames AaronSchulz

[23:20:47] <codurr>	 New code comment: Awjrichards; <pre> \ if ( mb_strlen( $str ) > $this->ItemMaxLength ) { \ $str = mb_substr( $str, 0, $this->ItemM; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111350#c31152>
[23:24:59] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Old edit bar flashes before new edit bar shows up - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34431  (10bsitu)
[23:26:41] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Probable Javascript loading issues (navigation and tabbing issues, multiple browsers) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34450  +comment (10Erwin Dokter)
[23:42:01] <codurr>	 New code comment: Aaron Schulz; If the new toolbar is loaded via JS and the user has JS off, what happens?; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111796#c31155>
[23:46:01] <codurr>	 New code comment: Dantman; What? Why would you add an itemref to a meta element in the head? Hell, last I checked itemref is on; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111439#c31156>
[23:50:57] <sumanah>	 robla: happy weekend, see you Tuesday.
[23:56:55] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) mutiple headers in emails from UserMailer - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34421  summary (10Mark A. Hershberger)