[00:04:19] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) namespace Rubrika in Czech Wikizpravy - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34529 normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (okino)
[00:09:26] <mw-jenkinsbot>	 Yippie, build fixed!
[00:09:26] <mw-jenkinsbot>	 Project MediaWiki-postgres-phpunit build #2060: FIXED in 3 min 6 sec: https://integration.mediawiki.org/ci/job/MediaWiki-postgres-phpunit/2060/
[00:10:01] <mw-jenkinsbot>	 Yippie, build fixed!
[00:10:02] <mw-jenkinsbot>	 Project MediaWiki-sqlite-phpunit build #7614: FIXED in 3 min 41 sec: https://integration.mediawiki.org/ci/job/MediaWiki-sqlite-phpunit/7614/
[00:11:46] <Reedy>	 The last message was received 3.51 days ago at 15:33 on Feb 16, 2012
[00:12:14] <Reedy>	 cia.vc seems active for other projects, so I wonder if the post commit hook is broken
[00:14:51] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) cia.vc post commit hook seems broken - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34530 normal; Wikimedia: Subversion; (sam)
[00:16:00] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) extension intersection (DynamicPageList) needs a patch to add 'random' sort order - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/30654  +comment (10Miroslav Langer)
[00:21:08] * Dantman  wonders whether his irssi is messed up or his Linkinus is messed up

[00:21:17] <codurr>	 New code comment: TheDJ; OK, i might have found a way, but it's becoming a rather complex function now... It will also requir; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111829#c31228>
[00:27:55] <Dantman>	 Stupid Tidy...
[00:28:10] <Dantman>	 The good news. The $wgUseTidy switch in Sanitizer::removeHTMLtags doesn't lead to <link> not being removed when itemprop is not present.
[00:28:28] <Dantman>	 The bad news... Tidy decides on it's own to remove all <meta>, <link>, and <data> elements from the content.
[00:29:08] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) [Regression] IRC string output for log messages no longer compatible - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34508  +comment (10tstarling)
[00:35:50] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) [RT] "All" and "None" buttons do not work in MediaWiki 1.18 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33479  +comment (10badon)
[00:36:11] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) [SF] #formlink parses query strings incorrectly if there is an & character in parameters - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34486  +comment (10badon)
[00:57:04] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) [Regression] IRC string output for log messages no longer compatible - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34508  +comment (10federicoleva)
[00:57:40] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) modules loaded with using() fail in debug mode - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34485  major->normal; +comment (10Tim Starling)
[00:59:31] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) [RT] "All" and "None" buttons do not work in MediaWiki 1.18 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33479  +comment (10Yaron Koren)
[01:02:07] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) [SF] #formlink parses query strings incorrectly if there is an & character in parameters - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34486  +comment (10Yaron Koren)
[01:08:31] <Krenair>	 Why was deleted contributions given it's own special page? Could it have not just been part of Special:Contributions's search options and off by default?
[01:08:46] <pokeswap>	 how do i fix #0 /hermes/bosweb/web023/b239/d5.pokeswap/public_html/spyinc/w/wiki/extensions/AbuseFilter/special/SpecialAbuseFilter.php(24): SpecialPage->__call('checkPermission...', Array)
[01:08:46] <pokeswap>	 #1 /hermes/bosweb/web023/b239/d5.pokeswap/public_html/spyinc/w/wiki/extensions/AbuseFilter/special/SpecialAbuseFilter.php(24): SpecialAbuseFilter->checkPermissions()
[01:08:46] <pokeswap>	 #2 /hermes/bosweb/web023/b239/d5.pokeswap/public_html/spyinc/w/wiki/includes/SpecialPageFactory.php(458): SpecialAbuseFilter->execute(NULL)
[01:08:46] <pokeswap>	 #3 /hermes/bosweb/web023/b239/d5.pokeswap/public_html/spyinc/w/wiki/includes/Wiki.php(226): SpecialPageFactory::executePath(Object(Title), Object(RequestContext))
[01:08:48] <pokeswap>	 #4 /hermes/bosweb/web023/b239/d5.pokeswap/public_html/spyinc/w/wiki/includes/Wiki.php(626): MediaWiki->performRequest()
[01:08:51] <pokeswap>	 #5 /hermes/bosweb/web023/b239/d5.pokeswap/public_html/spyinc/w/wiki/includes/Wiki.php(533): MediaWiki->main()
[01:08:54] <pokeswap>	 #6 /hermes/bosweb/web023/b239/d5.pokeswap/public_html/spyinc/w/wiki/index.php(57): MediaWiki->run()
[01:08:56] <pokeswap>	 #7 {main}
[01:09:03] <Krenair>	 pokeswap, are you kidding me? -.-
[01:09:12] <pokeswap>	 no???
[01:09:24] <Krenair>	 use pastebin or something for large pastes
[01:09:43] <thetechexpert>	 How do I make it were only certain user groups can change certain rights?
[01:09:59] <pokeswap>	 okay
[01:11:45] <pokeswap>	 !pastebin
[01:11:45] <mw-bot>	 Please do not paste more than 2-3 lines of text into the channel as it disrupts the flow of conversation. Instead please use a pastebin such as <http://mediawiki.pastey.net> and post a link to your paste in the channel.
[01:12:01] <pokeswap>	 ooo
[01:12:04] <thetechexpert>	 How do I make it were only certain user groups can change certain rights?
[01:12:38] <pokeswap>	 for themselves $wgaddgroupstoself/ $wgremovefrom self
[01:12:52] <pokeswap>	 used paste
[01:12:58] <pokeswap>	 fow do i fix http://pastebin.com/0jwZJvPQ
[01:13:06] <Krenair>	 thetechexpert, https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgAddGroups https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgRemoveGroups
[01:13:16] <thetechexpert>	 thanks
[01:14:03] <thetechexpert>	 di I put this $wgAddGroups['bureaucrat'] = array( 'sysop', 'bot' ); uder user permissions
[01:14:09] <thetechexpert>	 *do
[01:14:33] <Krenair>	 Depends
[01:14:54] <Krenair>	 That will let bureaucrats only add sysop and bot to people
[01:16:00] <Krenair>	 thetechexpert, what groups do you want to be able to change what rights?
[01:16:32] <thetechexpert>	 right now I have this permission for crats: $wgAddGroups['bureaucrat'] = true;   can I just delete that line and put this line were that line was:$wgAddGroups['bureaucrat'] = array( 'sysop', 'bot' );
[01:16:50] <thetechexpert>	 ...
[01:16:54] <Krenair>	 thetechexpert, you realise that limits bureaucrats right?
[01:17:02] <thetechexpert>	 yes
[01:17:04] <thetechexpert>	 ...
[01:17:16] <Krenair>	 and that it means the only groups they can add is sysop and bot
[01:17:44] <thetechexpert>	 Here is what user permissions I want my groups to have:
[01:17:53] <thetechexpert>	 Sysop; Rollback
[01:18:07] <Krenair>	 That isn't what we're talking about...
[01:18:16] <thetechexpert>	 Crat: sysop bot
[01:18:55] <pokeswap>	 ! 
[01:19:16] <Krenair>	 That isn't going to make bureaucrat inherit sysop and bot rights, thetechexpert 
[01:19:27] <pokeswap>	 how do i fix http://pastebin.com/0jwZJvPQ
[01:22:25] <thetechexpert>	 then how do I make it were they can only add those rights?
[01:22:32] <thetechexpert>	 to other users
[01:22:54] <Krenair>	 $wgAddGroups['bureaucrat'] = array( 'sysop', 'bot' );
[01:23:04] <OverlordQ>	 pokeswap: you need to actually post the error not just the backtrace
[01:23:13] <Krenair>	 It still seems silly to me, thetechexpert 
[01:23:48] <thetechexpert>	 I know but how do I make it were they can only add those rights?
[01:23:58] <thetechexpert>	 to other users
[01:24:21] <Krenair>	 $wgAddGroups['bureaucrat'] = array( 'sysop', 'bot' );
[01:24:30] <Krenair>	 That is how you do it
[01:25:21] <thetechexpert>	 do I put that over were I currently have this:$wgAddGroups['bureaucrat'] = true;
[01:25:26] <pokeswap>	 how do i fint the error, when i go to http://spyinginc.com/wiki/index.php?title=special:AbuseFilter that is what it tells me
[01:25:44] <thetechexpert>	 do I put that over were I currently have this:$wgAddGroups['bureaucrat'] = true;
[01:25:48] <Krenair>	 YES
[01:25:54] <thetechexpert>	 thanks
[01:28:15] <JeroenDeDauw>	 What's a good way to turn a list of user names into a bunch of user accounts in a wiki?
[01:29:41] <pokeswap>	 how do i fint the error, when i go to http://spyinginc.com/wiki/index.php?title=special:AbuseFilter that http://pastebin.com/0jwZJvPQ is what it tells me
[01:29:43] <OverlordQ>	 pokeswap: which version did you install?
[01:29:48] <OverlordQ>	 and you dont need to repeat yourself
[01:29:54] <pokeswap>	 svn checkout
[01:30:34] <OverlordQ>	 yes, but which version? trunk? 
[01:30:55] <pokeswap>	 whatever version is in SVN if that version is trunk then yes
[01:31:21] <OverlordQ>	 what URL did you use in the svn checkout
[01:31:28] <pokeswap>	 hold on
[01:31:53] <pokeswap>	 http://svn.wikimedia.org/svnroot/mediawiki/trunk/extensions/AbuseFilter/
[01:32:06] <Krenair>	 That might not work for a 1.18.0 wiki, pokeswap 
[01:32:18] <pokeswap>	 mine is 1.18.1
[01:32:58] <Olipro>	 what's the state of Postgres + MW
[01:33:44] <OverlordQ>	 mostly working
[01:35:24] <pokeswap>	 what version is 1.18.X
[01:35:38] <Krenair>	 pokeswap, http://spyinginc.com/wiki/index.php?title=Special:Version 1.18.0
[01:36:06] <pokeswap>	 odd, when i went to simplescripts it told me it was 1.18.1
[01:36:51] <OverlordQ>	 go to the extension page and use the snapshot downloader to download the one for 1.18.x or find the 1.18.x tagged version in svn
[01:38:36] <OverlordQ>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:ExtensionDistributor/AbuseFilter
[01:40:41] <LL2|Android1>	 How come win8 dev preview gets a watchdog violation on startup
[01:41:20] <Krenair>	 LL2|Android, uh what?
[01:41:28] <OverlordQ>	 probably a question better asked to a windows related forum
[01:41:33] <LL2|Android>	 I tried installing it in vmware
[01:41:49] <LL2|Android>	 Should I try virtualbox instead?
[01:42:13] <Krenair>	 LL2|Android, works in VirtualBox for me. Take it to a windows channel or something
[01:42:22] <LL2|Android>	 Nowai
[01:42:49] <LL2|Android>	 It works in VB? :D
[01:43:06] <LL2|Android>	 Krenair: try seeing if it'll work in VMware Player for you
[01:43:14] <Krenair>	 After messing around with the settings, yes.
[01:43:14] <Krenair>	 Cba.
[01:43:35] <Krenair>	 LL2|Android, /join ##windows
[01:44:28] <LL2|Android>	 Wait
[01:44:49] <LL2|Android>	 I just realized I was talking in #mediawiki which is this channel
[01:45:01] <LL2|Android>	 I thought I was on the #wikipedia-en tab
[01:45:07] <LL2|Android>	 fail.gif
[01:46:38] <pokeswap>	 according to listuserrights it says admins can modify abouse filter, according to grouprights i am a sysop according to special:abusefilter i do not have permission why?
[01:48:12] <thetechexpert>	 My wiki is down it is displaying this: ******** has a problem  Sorry! This site is experiencing technical difficulties. Try waiting a few minutes and reloading.  (Can't contact the database server: Unknown database 'mediawiki' (localhost))
[01:49:13] <thetechexpert>	 My wiki is down it is displaying this: ******** has a problem  Sorry! This site is experiencing technical difficulties. Try waiting a few minutes and reloading.  (Can't contact the database server: Unknown database 'mediawiki' (localhost))
[01:50:38] <thetechexpert>	 ???
[01:52:01] <pokeswap>	 according to listuserrights it says admins can modify abouse filter, according to grouprights i am a sysop according to special:abusefilter i do not have permission why?
[01:52:11] <pokeswap>	 how do i getr permission for abuse filter
[01:52:27] <thetechexpert>	 This site is experiencing technical difficulties. Try waiting a few minutes and reloading.  (Can't contact the database server: Unknown database 'mediawiki' (localhost)) [18:50] <thetechexpert> ???
[01:54:35] <pokeswap>	 according to listuserrights it says admins can modify abouse filter, according to grouprights i am a sysop according to special:abusefilter i do not have permission why?
[01:54:35] <pokeswap>	 <pokeswap> how do i getr permission for abuse filter
[01:54:37] <pokeswap>	 !help
[01:54:37] <mw-bot>	 http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:`e1
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[01:55:38] <thetechexpert>	 This site is experiencing technical difficulties. Try waiting a few minutes and reloading.  (Can't contact the database server: Unknown database 'mediawiki' (localhost)) This site is experiencing technical difficulties. Try waiting a few minutes and reloading.  (Can't contact the database server: Unknown database 'mediawiki' (localhost)) This site is experiencing technical difficulties. Try waiting a few minutes and reloadi
[01:56:47] <TimStarling>	 thetechexpert: feel free to read the manual
[01:56:55] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) [SF] #formlink parses query strings incorrectly if there is an & character in parameters - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34486  +comment (10badon)
[01:57:01] <pokeswap>	 according to listuserrights it says admins can modify abouse filter, according to grouprights i am a sysop according to special:abusefilter i do not have permission why?
[01:57:01] <pokeswap>	 <pokeswap> how do i getr permission for abuse filter
[01:58:58] <Krenair>	 Spam: http://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=User:Facebook_Emoticons&action=history
[02:03:59] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) [RT] "All" and "None" buttons do not work in MediaWiki 1.18 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33479  +comment (10fastgoldfish)
[02:06:52] <pokeswap>	 HOW DO I GET ABUSEFILTER PERMISSION
[02:08:15] <TimStarling>	 pokeswap: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Communication
[02:09:23] <LL2|Android>	 pokeswap: you get it by earning it
[02:09:59] <LL2|Android>	 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:Abuse_Filter
[02:10:10] <Krenair>	 LL2|Android: Having the MW/AbuseFilter versions and config set up correctly is earning it..?
[02:10:17] <pokeswap>	 ???
[02:10:33] <LL2|Android>	 Oh
[02:10:42] <Krenair>	 LL2|Android, he's not trying to get access to AbuseFilter or any wiki but his own. This is #mediawiki, not #wikipedia-en
[02:10:48] <LL2|Android>	 Ok
[02:11:12] <Krenair>	 TimStarling, got a moment?
[02:11:27] <TimStarling>	 that depends
[02:11:50] <Krenair>	 depends on what?
[02:11:51] <pokeswap>	 so, how do i get access
[02:11:53] <TimStarling>	 is it really important?
[02:11:58] <Krenair>	 nope.
[02:12:03] <TimStarling>	 then no
[02:12:06] <Krenair>	 k
[02:13:05] <pokeswap>	 how? what did i do wrong?
[02:13:19] <Dantman>	 Hack after hack... We should just drop Tidy
[02:13:40] <Krenair>	 pokeswap, nobody around at the moment seems to know. Asking repeatedly will not help.
[02:14:25] <pokeswap>	 when will somebody be on that does know?
[02:14:45] <Dantman>	 When you are capable of computing the value of PI to the billionth digit.
[02:15:08] <pokeswap>	 what coding launguage is that?
[02:15:18] <Dantman>	 ;) Math
[02:16:03] <pokeswap>	 never heard of that what extensions run on math. what is its end (like .cmd, .php, .sql, .doc, .BOM)
[02:20:08] <Dantman>	 TimStarling: Do you remember anything else we may output in html that Tidy screws up?
[02:20:29] <TimStarling>	 what was the first thing?
[02:20:50] <TimStarling>	 I'm sure it screws up all sorts of things, but it's part of wikitext now
[02:21:21] <Dantman>	 The first thing I had to introduce a hack for was my <mw:editsection> postprocessed placeholder
[02:21:21] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) no choice for PD-old-70 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34531 minor; MediaWiki extensions: UploadWizard; (saibotrash)
[02:21:57] <Dantman>	 Now I just added a hack to prevent Tidy from stripping out <link> and <meta> used in Microdata.
[02:22:15] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) mwe-upwiz-license-public-domain-usa-subhead: unknown operation "sitename" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34532 normal; MediaWiki extensions: UploadWizard; (saibotrash)
[02:22:17] <TimStarling>	 can't you use something that's valid HTML like a comment or something?
[02:22:38] <TimStarling>	 well, for the first one at least
[02:22:47] <TimStarling>	 <link> and <meta> can only appear in <head>
[02:22:55] <TimStarling>	 so the solution for that one is to put them in the head
[02:23:17] <Dantman>	 TimStarling: In html5 <link> and <meta> are permissable in the body when they have an itemprop="" it's part of Microdata.
[02:23:52] <TimStarling>	 does tidy support HTML 5?
[02:24:07] <Dantman>	 No.
[02:24:12] <Dantman>	 ;) Which is exactly the issue.
[02:24:13] <TimStarling>	 well, write a patch for it
[02:24:23] <TimStarling>	 the code is not so horrible
[02:24:46] <Dantman>	 Doesn't fix the whole issue that no-one is going to have that code.
[02:24:57] <TimStarling>	 HTML 5 isn't even a standard yet
[02:25:34] <TimStarling>	 what's the rush?
[02:25:48] <pokeswap>	 anyone here that can help me with math coding
[02:26:48] <Dantman>	 TimStarling: Microdata users are already out in the wild. Namely search engines, which all support schema.org
[02:28:44] <TimStarling>	 interesting...
[02:29:03] <TimStarling>	 it looks like tidy has the necessary features already
[02:29:35] <TimStarling>	 have you tried setting new-inline-tags=link in tidy.conf?
[02:31:21] <Dantman>	 TimStarling: new-empty-tags actually. Yes, I did, but it didn't work.
[02:31:26] <spade->	 I'm getting this: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/802478/temp/mediawiki-svg.txt
[02:32:02] <Dantman>	 TimStarling: My guess is that because link and meta are html4 tags they are already on Tidy's list, and it has explicit rules hardcoded into the code that don't allow them in the body.
[02:32:19] <TimStarling>	 but you haven't looked at the relevant code yet?
[02:32:38] <Dantman>	 It worked for time and data because they didn't exist before.
[02:33:54] <Dantman>	 I don't usually try digging through c/c++ level code.
[02:35:13] <TimStarling>	 if you isolate the code then you'll be able to confirm that the problem exists in trunk
[02:35:34] <TimStarling>	 and you'll be able to talk to the developers about it without them treating you like an idiot
[02:50:51] <Dantman>	 { TidyTag_META, "meta", VERS_ELEM_META, &TY_(W3CAttrsFor_META)[0], (CM_HEAD|CM_EMPTY), TY_(ParseEmpty), CheckMETA },
[03:00:37] <pokeswap>	 ###mediawiki
[03:00:42] <LL2|Android>	 TimStarling and Reedy: why do you two have op and why is chanserv not in here?
[03:01:39] <TimStarling>	 a) because I had to ban thetechexpert b) because chanserv guarding is unnecessary for channels that always have real people in them
[03:02:35] <pokeswap>	 how would i create a bot like mw-bot for ###mediawiki
[03:04:14] <pokeswap>	 how?
[03:06:09] <pokeswap>	 how would i create a bot for ###mediwwiki like mw-bot
[03:06:26] <spade->	 With great difficulty, based on how you're asking.
[03:06:56] <pokeswap>	 help?
[03:07:46] <pokeswap>	 how, though i am willing to do it
[03:08:13] <pokeswap>	 if it will take more than 30 minutes then i will copythe directions and do it in the morning
[03:11:24] <pokeswap>	 *copy the
[03:13:09] <pokeswap>	 please email me directions to add a bot to ###mediawiki like mw-bot
[03:13:30] <pokeswap>	 email is info@spyinginc.com
[03:15:05] <pokeswap>	 (atleast now it is)
[03:15:20] <pokeswap>	 please email me the directions to create a bot like mw.bot
[03:15:32] <pokeswap>	 for ###MEDIAWIKI and #USEagency
[03:41:46] <pokeswap>	  please email me directions to add a bot to ###mediawiki like mw-bot
[03:41:46] <pokeswap>	 <pokeswap> email is info@spyinginc.com
[03:41:46] <pokeswap>	 <pokeswap> (atleast now it is)
[03:41:46] <pokeswap>	 <pokeswap> please email me the directions to create a bot like mw.bot
[03:41:46] <pokeswap>	 <pokeswap> for ###MEDIAWIKI and #USEagency
[03:42:00] <pokeswap>	 also new edits to !e TEST
[03:42:20] <pokeswap>	 !e TEST
[03:42:20] <mw-bot>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:TEST
[03:43:44] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Special:GlobalUsers redirected to Special:ListUsers - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34533 normal; MediaWiki extensions: CentralAuth; (jasper)
[03:45:24] <pokeswap>	 something is wrong. it will not allow breaks when editing 
[03:45:33] <pokeswap>	 !bugzilla
[03:45:33] <mw-bot>	 All bugs in MediaWiki should be reported at https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org. Requesting site configuration changes, new features or enhancements to existing features all go here. Bear in mind before making a feature/enhancement request: 1) If the request is specific to a Wikimedia wiki, please discuss it there first. 2) Consider whether a custom extension would be more appropriate
[03:48:01] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) it will not allow spacing in between lines - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34534 blocker; MediaWiki: Vector skin; (jdk370)
[03:48:19] <Joan>	 It puts lotion on the skin.
[03:49:51] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) it will not allow spacing in between lines - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34534  +comment (10MZMcBride)
[03:50:42] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) it will not allow spacing in between lines - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34534  (10jdk370)
[03:50:42] <Dwarden>	 i was wondering is there extension for mediawiki which list what installed extensions got newer version for update ?
[03:51:20] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) it will not allow spacing in between lines - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34534  (10jdk370)
[03:51:36] <pokeswap>	 is wiki bugs not working
[03:51:53] <Joan>	 pokeswap: Seems fine to me.
[03:52:12] <pokeswap>	 odd i just submitted to bugzilla and it is not here
[03:52:17] <Joan>	 Dwarden: Don't think so. It's a requested feature, but revision numbers and branching make it a bit annoying.
[03:52:30] <Joan>	 pokeswap: You submitted what?
[03:52:30] <Dwarden>	 that's sad
[03:52:44] <pokeswap>	 a bug
[03:53:03] <Joan>	 Which bug?
[03:53:06] <Dwarden>	 was looking on vbulletin extensions and realized how badly i missing it for mediaWiki ;)
[03:53:16] <Joan>	 Yeah, WordPress does it too.
[03:53:26] <Joan>	 I think there are also privacy concerns and intranet concerns.
[03:53:29] <Joan>	 With remote call-outs like that.
[03:54:02] <pokeswap>	 Bug 34534 
[03:54:14] <Joan>	 pokeswap: [22:48] <wikibugs> (NEW) it will not allow spacing in between lines - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34534 blocker; MediaWiki: Vector skin; (jdk370)
[03:54:22] <Joan>	 It's being reported in here.
[03:54:25] <Joan>	 And your bug was incomprehensible.
[03:54:40] <Joan>	 That whole bug looks invalid.
[03:54:48] <pokeswap>	 look at 
[03:54:54] <pokeswap>	 !e TEST
[03:54:54] <mw-bot>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:TEST
[03:54:55] <Joan>	 Do you not speak English natively or something?
[03:55:01] <Joan>	 Or are you trolling?
[03:55:12] <pokeswap>	 none of the above
[03:55:15] <Joan>	 The hell?
[03:55:25] <Joan>	 The extension namespace isn't a sandbox.
[03:55:28] <wikibugs>	 14(INVALID) it will not allow spacing in between lines - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34534  +comment (10Daniel Friesen)
[03:55:58] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Searching for string on all pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34535 normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (shantanoo)
[03:57:28] <pokeswap>	 !sandbox
[03:57:28] <mw-bot>	 A lot of wikis use "sandboxes" for testing. Users can try out their editing skills at these sandboxes. MediaWiki.org's sandbox can be found at <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Sandbox>. Sandbox testing areas are usually cleaned up after a while.
[04:02:17] <codurr>	 New code comment: Santhosh.thottingal; It means we registered a new message to mw.messages collection.; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111725#c31229>
[04:03:19] <teratoma>	 is there a recommended python library for notifying through an IRC bot recent changes in a mediawiki?
[04:05:35] <Joan>	 Wikimedia a very simple echo script from a UDP port.
[04:05:42] <Joan>	 Wikimedia uses, rather.
[04:05:52] <Joan>	 Using basic irclib, as I recall.
[04:06:02] <Joan>	 But there a million ways you can do it. No real recommended Python library.
[04:06:27] <Joan>	 You can read the RSS feed, read from the DB, use the API, UDP port... just depends what you're most comfortable doing.
[04:08:49] <Dwarden>	 argh
[04:09:00] <Dwarden>	 i just realized tons of extensions has "continuous updates" instead of version
[04:10:16] <pokeswap_>	 !###mediawiki
[04:10:18] <mw-bot>	 I don't know anything about "###mediawiki".
[04:10:41] <Joan>	 pokeswap_: You're being a little annoying.
[04:10:46] <Joan>	 Test the bot in #mwbot or in private message.
[04:11:47] <Dwarden>	 this is really bad, there should be some rules and order set for the versioning of mediaWiki extensions
[04:12:31] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) MediaWiki should support <time> in WikiText - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/32545  +comment (10mediawiki-bugs)
[04:12:31] <Joan>	 Write your congressman.
[04:12:40] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) Remove Beta status for Kannada transliteration mapping - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34515  +comment (10Santhosh Thottingal)
[04:12:48] <pokeswap_>	 please email me directions to add a bot to ###mediawiki like mw-bot
[04:12:48] <pokeswap_>	 <pokeswap> <pokeswap> email is info@spyinginc.com
[04:12:49] <pokeswap_>	 <pokeswap> <pokeswap> (atleast now it is)
[04:12:49] <pokeswap_>	 <pokeswap> <pokeswap> please email me the directions to create a bot like mw.bot
[04:12:49] <pokeswap_>	 <pokeswap> <pokeswap> for ###MEDIAWIKI and #USEagency
[04:13:27] <Dwarden>	 Joan :) sure, which one sits in the committee for mediaWiki betterment ?
[04:15:18] <wikibugs>	 03(ASSIGNED) Enable Narayam on Kannada Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34516  (10Santhosh Thottingal)
[04:18:17] <codurr>	 New code comment: RobLa-WMF; Hi Dantman, who are you planning to have review this work?; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111891#c31230>
[04:20:26] <error_or_else>	 go to bed
[04:23:30] <Joan>	 What is wrong with you?
[04:28:16] <codurr>	 New code comment: Dantman; I don't usually plan out "who" is going to review code, someone usually just does. We have RDFa and ; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111891#c31231>
[05:09:48] <Dantman>	 Heh, Drupal actually has some pretty nice code for crypto-random generation
[05:27:17] <codurr>	 New code comment: Santhosh.thottingal; Can you suggest an alternate word for that test?; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111744#c31232>
[05:51:36] <chughakshay16>	 aharoni : hi , i have a doubt !!
[05:52:47] <chughakshay16>	 aharoni : is it possible to have the same magic word behave as a parser function and as well as a variable ?
[05:58:17] <chughakshay16>	 I have a doubt !! is it possible to have the same magic word behave as a parser function and as well as a variable ?
[05:58:59] <chughakshay16>	 I am new to Mediawiki
[06:00:03] <freakolowsky>	 mornin
[06:00:16] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) svn loop - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34462  (10p858snake)
[06:07:07] <wikibugs>	 14(WFM) svn loop - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34462  +comment (10Rob Lanphier)
[06:10:22] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Oracle installer throw SET CONSTRAINTS ALL DEFERRED PL/SQL error - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34280  +comment (10freak)
[06:10:55] <aharoni>	 Hi chughakshay16!
[06:12:48] <aharoni>	 by "variable", do you mean a template variable, like {{template_name|template_var=value}} and then {{{template_value}}}?
[06:12:57] <aharoni>	 sorry, {{{template_var}}}
[06:13:36] <chughakshay16>	 a magic variable can be either of these three : a template, a variable or a parser function
[06:13:39] <chughakshay16>	 right ?
[06:13:50] <chughakshay16>	 i meant magic word
[06:15:31] <aharoni>	 a magic word is something {{PAGENAME}}, and it has two curly brackets.
[06:15:33] <chughakshay16>	 Variables are bits of wikitext that look like templates but have no parameters and have been assigned hard-coded values.
[06:15:54] <chughakshay16>	 yeah thats the exact thing i was talking about
[06:16:27] <chughakshay16>	 yeah so can a magic word work both as a variable and a parser function ?
[06:17:38] <aharoni>	 a template parameter has three curly brackets when you reference it, so you can have a template parameter that is called {{{PAGENAME}}}.
[06:17:50] <aharoni>	 i just tested it and it works.
[06:18:14] <aharoni>	 i would probably avoid it, to confuse the user less.
[06:18:21] <Joan>	 Yes, you shouldn't do it.
[06:18:42] <Joan>	 The only requirement for template parameter names is that they be valid page names, really.
[06:18:48] <chughakshay16>	 but i am currently going through an extension code , which i think does just that
[06:18:52] <Joan>	 And they're completely case sensitive.
[06:19:10] <chughakshay16>	 BookManager extension
[06:19:48] <chughakshay16>	 i mean it uses {{PREVPAGENAME}} or {{PREVPAGENAME:some text}} both ways
[06:20:14] <chughakshay16>	 so when we we write it the first way it acts a variable 
[06:20:31] <chughakshay16>	 and when i use it as the second one it acts as a parser function
[06:21:06] <aharoni>	 i'm not familiar with this extension, but if i understand correctly, then i guess that it's a magic word in both cases, just used differently.
[06:22:02] <chughakshay16>	 yeah but the second is a syntax for including a parser function in your text 
[06:22:02] <chughakshay16>	 isnt it ?
[06:25:49] <aharoni>	 yes, more or less. i don't think that i ever ran into such a thing, but it may make sense.
[06:26:06] <chughakshay16>	 http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Magic_words
[06:26:17] <chughakshay16>	 could you  just look into the first few lines of this page..
[06:26:48] <chughakshay16>	 and you would get why i am asking you this ?
[06:28:20] <aharoni>	 i totally get what you say, that documentation is far from clear.
[06:28:47] <aharoni>	 it takes me so much time to respond, because i have to double-check every thing to make sure i understood it correctly.
[06:29:18] <chughakshay16>	 and this page tells you how to define and register magic words http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Magic_words
[06:30:32] <chughakshay16>	 and it tells you the two different ways which we use for variables and parser functions respectively
[06:31:12] <chughakshay16>	 but in the extension i was talking about earlier, it kind of mixes up both the ways
[06:31:52] <chughakshay16>	 so just wanted to make sure if at all it was possible to define a magic word as a variable and a parser function or it was just a workaround for something else ?
[06:33:16] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) history (from June 2002, till january 2004) looks lost in Oriya Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34205  +comment (10Antoine "hashar" Musso)
[06:44:32] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Problem with edits after rename - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34526  +comment (10ariel)
[06:48:06] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Problem with edits after rename - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34505  +comment (10ariel)
[06:53:11] <aharoni>	 chughakshay16, sorry for disappearing.
[06:54:33] <aharoni>	 I don't see it {{PREVPAGENAME:some text}} documented on http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:BookManager . Where do you see such usage?
[06:55:47] <codurr>	 New code comment: Hashar; I would keep the host sort this way but sort the CIDR in reverse order. A /8 represents roughly 16M; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111829#c31233>
[07:08:46] <codurr>	 New code comment: Nikerabbit; Beware the wrath of text browser users.; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111861#c31234>
[07:09:03] <pubsez>	 what is the use of pagelinks exactly, I downloaded a wiki dump without one and it works perfectly
[07:15:02] <codurr>	 New code comment: Nikerabbit; Couldn't we have waited for 1.19 to be released? Userbase is still running 1.17. \ Also broke diffs i; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111866#c31235>
[07:17:17] <codurr>	 New code comment: Nikerabbit; Please do not combine unrelated stuff in one commit.; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111867#c31236>
[07:20:11] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Unable to refer to core images in extension styles - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34493  +comment (10niklas.laxstrom)
[07:28:02] <codurr>	 New code comment: Nikerabbit; Only English, right?; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111884#c31237>
[07:29:40] <pubsez>	 for statistical purposes, what is exactly a content page
[07:31:35] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Tracking bug (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/2007  (10Jayanta Nath)
[07:31:39] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) #time parser function can't read local language month names - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/19412  (10Jayanta Nath)
[07:31:39] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Add support for non-Arabic number systems - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34193  (10Jayanta Nath)
[07:34:32] <codurr>	 New code comment: Nikerabbit; Having autocompletetative input is probably better, because it is hard to get the language names rig; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111896#c31238>
[07:35:53] <Nikerabbit>	 Reedy: huh, better security is now only enhancement?
[07:42:32] <codurr>	 New code comment: TheDJ; Well in theory it supports at least the variants with different thousands separators). In more theor; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111884#c31239>
[07:42:47] <codurr>	 New code comment: Nikerabbit; Those trailing commas in arrays may upset some browsers.; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111910#c31240>
[07:44:06] <sakthi>	 MaxSem: Where do the 'create account' page's file is located in MediaWiki ?
[07:44:38] <thedj>	 sakthi: in code, or in functionality ?
[07:44:46] <MaxSem>	 Special:UserLogin/signup
[07:44:48] <pubsez>	 is there a way to get a specific timestamped page through index.php or api.php?
[07:45:11] <sakthi>	 thedj: Both 
[07:45:41] <MaxSem>	 pubsez, do you want aspecific revision of a page? api action=query&prop=revisions
[07:45:54] <pubsez>	 let me check that, thanks MaxSem 
[07:46:02] <codurr>	 New code comment: Nikerabbit; Broken encoding in branches/jsgrammar/resources/mediawiki.language/languages/uk.js. \ Some inconsiste; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111912#c31241>
[07:46:12] <sakthi>	 MaxSem: signup
[07:46:34] <thedj>	 sakthi: includes/specials/SpecialUserlogin.php 
[07:47:16] <sakthi>	 thedj: ty
[07:49:37] <sakthi>	 What is the database and table used for all users and their info
[07:50:06] <MaxSem>	 user
[07:50:20] <thedj>	 see also: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Database_layout
[08:14:00] <Lerc>	 Is there an alternative to http://svn.wikimedia.org/doc  ? It seems to kill Firefox  Chrome struggles.   I'm suspicious of the call graphs.
[08:17:31] <MaxSem>	 Lerc, Opera!
[08:18:20] <liangent>	 Lerc: there's no call graph on the main page and it works on firefox for me
[08:18:50] <liangent>	 I suspect the toc on the left
[08:19:22] <Lerc>	 liangent: I get the crashes as soon as I start looking at classes.
[08:19:53] <Lerc>	 Opera Does indeed handle it much better.
[08:20:31] <Joan>	 Chrome is fine.
[08:21:17] <liangent>	 Lerc: I chose Action in Class List and it still works
[08:21:49] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) MediaWiki tags - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34536  normal->04CRIT (10lioncub)
[08:21:49] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) MediaWiki tags - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34536 normal; MediaWiki extensions: FCKeditor; (lioncub)
[08:22:01] <Lerc>	 I tried User,  Firefox 10 crashed on linux and win.
[08:26:41] <chughakshay16>	 aharoni : its used in the tests file present in the code itself
[08:26:59] <chughakshay16>	 BookManagerParserTests.txt
[08:27:19] <Lerc>	 MaxSem:  Thanks for the opera tip.  Soooo much nicer for this.
[08:40:13] <deadlySniper>	 auth
[08:40:46] <deadlySniper>	 Hello
[08:42:55] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Singular noun "bug" conflicts with plural verb "are." - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34537 normal; Wikimedia: Bugzilla; (josujatha)
[08:45:04] * Joan  blinks.

[08:45:17] <Joan>	 That's a joke bug, right?
[08:46:26] <Lerc>	 bug are a serious issue.
[08:49:14] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) populateRevisionSha1.php misses archive rows, whose text is stored directly in the archive table (not text table) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34373  (10christian)
[08:49:25] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Singular noun "bug" conflicts with plural verb "are." - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34537  +comment (10b)
[08:52:04] <Saruman>	 Lerc is right: bugs is not to be taken lightly
[08:59:35] <wikibugs>	 14(WFM) Singular noun "bug" conflicts with plural verb "are." - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34537  +comment (10Amir E. Aharoni)
[08:59:46] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) ext.vector.collapsibleNav does not initialise correctly with $wgResourceLoaderExperimentalAsyncLoading - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34538 normal; MediaWiki extensions: Vector; (tstarling)
[09:06:46] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) ext.vector.collapsibleNav does not initialise correctly with $wgResourceLoaderExperimentalAsyncLoading - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34538  (10Tim Starling)
[09:14:02] <codurr>	 New code comment: GWicke; I believe it would be cleaner and less damaging to future microdata use if we instead provided a met; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111439#c31242>
[09:16:51] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) populateRevisionSha1.php misses archive rows, whose text is stored directly in the archive table (not text table) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34373  (10christian)
[09:19:57] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) language list in setting not sorted by language name - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33493  +comment (10hashar)
[09:36:34] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Oversighting an account globally does not remove it from public lists ! - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34539 critical; MediaWiki extensions: CentralAuth; (quentinv57)
[09:36:54] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Oversighting an account globally does not remove it from public lists ! - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34539  (10Quentinv57)
[09:38:53] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Text edit box encoding problem with PDF - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34540 normal; MediaWiki extensions: ProofreadPage; (raunator)
[09:40:11] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Text edit box encoding problem with PDF - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34540  (10Raul Kern)
[09:43:10] <wikibugs>	 03(VERIFIED) Singular noun "bug" conflicts with plural verb "are." - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34537  +comment (10Antoine "hashar" Musso)
[09:57:25] <Nikerabbit>	 anyone here familiar with centralauth
[10:04:49] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) populateRevisionSha1.php misses archive rows, whose text is stored directly in the archive table (not text table) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34373  (10christian)
[10:19:26] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Interwikis to another Wikipedia should point to mobile site when viewed on mobile - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/32982  +comment (10Max Semenik)
[10:32:49] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) File link-feature should not allow external links - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34541 critical; MediaWiki: Parser; (steefy389)
[10:36:09] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) mw.loader.load calls document.write from asynchronous scripts - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34542 normal; MediaWiki: Resource Loader; (listenleser)
[10:36:58] <chughakshay16>	 Maxsem : Wikibooks help !
[10:50:02] <katty007>	 I have a problem with googleNewsBarExtension. The is some strange output("UNIQ1b93000529d279c-googleNewsBar-00000001-QINU") after parsing the following code into page editor("<googleNewsBar newstitle="football" newskey="football">Loading ... </googleNewsBar>")
[10:51:47] <Nikerabbit>	 why in earth is User::saveOptions protected
[11:02:40] <MaxSem>	 chughakshay16, ???
[11:02:50] <chughakshay16>	 Maxsem : yes !
[11:03:01] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) populateRevisionSha1.php misses archive rows, whose text is stored directly in the archive table (not text table) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34373  +comment (10aschulz4587)
[11:03:53] <chughakshay16>	 i wanted to ask if its possible to add existing articles in a new book if i create on wikibooks ?
[11:04:09] <chughakshay16>	 * if i create one
[11:05:09] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) File link-feature should not allow external links - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34541  04CRIT->15enhancement; +comment (10Max Semenik)
[11:05:48] <MaxSem>	 chughakshay16, why are you asking me? I know nothing about this extension
[11:06:25] <chughakshay16>	 i didnt ask anything about extension ?
[11:07:12] <chughakshay16>	 Sumanah suggested me to ask you whenever i have any doubts
[11:09:01] <codurr>	 New code comment: TheDJ; You mean the textbrowser users who already didn't get a different layout, because their browsers don; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111861#c31243>
[11:13:31] <codurr>	 New code comment: Nikerabbit; Nice tactic! First break something, and then say nobody uses it so it can be removed.; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111861#c31244>
[11:23:32] <codurr>	 New code comment: GWicke; There are likely bigger issues for text browsers than missing link target existence indication. Remo; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111861#c31245>
[11:28:58] <Nikerabbit>	 gwicke: I agree btw
[11:29:10] <Nikerabbit>	 just wanted to spell that out loud
[11:30:44] <gwicke>	 it is a bit sneaky, but on the other hand sometimes the means are justified by the result ;)
[11:32:12] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) File link-feature should not allow external links - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34541  +comment (10Harald Krichel)
[11:33:21] <Nikerabbit>	 anyone around who can create git repos for me?
[11:38:17] <codurr>	 New code comment: Santhosh.thottingal; s/Lating/Latin in commit message.; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111923#c31246>
[11:52:17] <codurr>	 New code comment: Nikerabbit; Are you planning to add more test words?; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111923#c31247>
[12:09:31] <codurr>	 New code comment: Hashar; That was an experiment to use rosetta on Launchpad.net. Translatewiki.net replaced that :-D; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111918#c31248>
[12:13:23] <OrenOf>	 re Nikerabbit 
[12:13:46] <OrenOf>	 you need ^demon
[12:29:26] <Nikerabbit>	 OrenOf: I was afraid of that
[12:31:56] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) MediaWiki tags - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34536  04CRIT->major (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[12:32:22] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) namespace Rubrika in Czech Wikizpravy - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34529  normal->15enhancement (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[12:35:15] <natbrown>	 Hi, I can't make "refresh" pages work since I have upgraded my wiki to 1.18. Does anyone knows why?
[12:39:06] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) populateRevisionSha1.php misses archive rows, whose text is stored directly in the archive table (not text table) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34373  (10christian)
[12:43:02] <codurr>	 New code comment: Hashar; > With the removal of $dest, MailAddress::_toString() is now relied on, which uses "name <addr>" typ; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111832#c31249>
[13:04:32] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Language and direction of first heading should depend on page content language instead of user interface language - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34514  (10fomafix)
[13:18:17] <codurr>	 New code comment: Nikerabbit; Instead of join() maybe you could use implode directly(); <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111864#c31250>
[13:33:48] <pokeswap>	 http://pastebin.com/v60E5SqE
[13:33:52] <pokeswap>	 !help
[13:33:52] <mw-bot>	 http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:`e1
[13:35:50] <MaxSem>	 pokeswap, this extension's developer, JeroenDeDauw, is currently offline
[13:36:18] <pokeswap>	 anyone else that can tell me how to fix this?
[13:37:01] <codurr>	 New code comment: Hashar; Deployed with r111925; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111832#c31251>
[13:37:33] <pokeswap>	 if he does come on and i am not here please tell him  http://pastebin.com/v60E5SqE and that my username is pokeswap
[13:38:01] <codurr>	 New code comment: Hashar; The $dest filtering was introduced by hexmode. Probably could have left it, but it has no side effec; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111832#c31252>
[13:38:31] <codurr>	 New code comment: Hashar; Tested on testwiki and then generalized on Mon, 20 Feb 2012 13:37:00 +0000; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111925#c31253>
[13:39:20] <chughakshay16>	 yuvipanda : Hi, 
[13:40:12] <chughakshay16>	 yuvipanda : can one page be a part of two books at Wikibooks ?
[13:40:29] <pokeswap>	  anyone else that can tell me how to fix this?
[13:40:29] <pokeswap>	 <pokeswap> if he does come on and i am not here please tell him  http://pastebin.com/v60E5SqE and that my username is pokeswap
[13:42:31] <codurr>	 New code comment: Nikerabbit; I don't really understand what is the difference between with and without replacement.; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111629#c31254>
[13:46:26] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Install Artifactory to distribute MWDumper as a Maven Artifact - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34393  +comment (10orenbochman)
[13:54:46] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Install Artifactory to distribute MWDumper as a Maven Artifact - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34393  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[14:07:17] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) [SMW] 1.6 to 1.7 property type "URL" cannot be queried by property when the URL contains equal sign character "=" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/32955  04CRIT->normal; +comment (10Markus Krötzsch)
[14:07:55] <pokeswap>	  
[14:07:55] <pokeswap>	   
[14:08:23] <ries>	 hello! What's the URL for the administration console on mediawiki?? (well, my own site of course) to install, upgrade and manage??
[14:08:40] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) #ask query parsing fails when = character occurs in query string - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/32955  summary (10Markus Krötzsch)
[14:11:02] <codurr>	 New code comment: Nikerabbit; These tests fail if site lang = fi for example, because it has different genitive form, and the latt; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111725#c31255>
[14:12:24] <pokeswap>	   http://pastebin.com/v60E5SqE
[14:12:26] <pokeswap>	 !http://pastebin.com/v60E5SqE
[14:12:27] <mw-bot>	 I don't know anything about "http://pastebin.com/v60e5sqe".
[14:12:28] <pokeswap>	  if the extension'screator does come on and i am not here please tell him  http://pastebin.com/v60E5SqE and that my username is pokeswap
[14:14:47] <codurr>	 New code comment: Nikerabbit; $word fixed in r111734; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111728#c31256>
[14:16:16] <Platonides>	 ries, what do you want?
[14:16:40] <ries>	 Platonides: For example install extension, manage the user, manage themes, stuff like that
[14:17:37] <Platonides>	 if you want to install/upgrade mediawiki, go to mw-config/
[14:17:47] <Platonides>	 for installing an extension, you download it into extension folder
[14:17:53] <Platonides>	 and add a line to LocalSettings.php
[14:18:32] <codurr>	 New code comment: Santhosh.thottingal; It is explained in the bug report. Bug 33653; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111629#c31257>
[14:21:03] <ries>	 Platonides: Hmmmm…. ic… weird, if I my ask, why isn't there a management console?
[14:21:34] <ries>	 The idea is to let some users manage the wikimedia installation without giving them access to the server
[14:22:17] <codurr>	 New code comment: Nikerabbit; Good, can we add that to code documentation?; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111629#c31258>
[14:25:50] <Platonides>	 ries, but what kind of access do you want to give them?
[14:26:00] <Platonides>	 surely not for installing arbitrary extensions...
[14:26:34] <ries>	 Platonides: for example access to manage? Sorry, I have no idea about how wiki's work… I am used to CMS system that have management functions, may be I was expecting this...
[14:27:22] <Platonides>	 you don't need access to the server in order to block users, protect pages, edit the interface...
[14:27:43] <ries>	 Oo… ok, I didn't see that
[14:27:50] <Platonides>	 take a look at Special:Specialpages
[14:29:38] <ries>	 ahhh Ic
[14:30:55] <ries>	 Ok, last question for today… is it possible to add a menu? For example on this page : http://wiki.librecad.org/index.php/LibreCAD_Users_Manual
[14:31:01] <codurr>	 New code comment: Nikerabbit; svn:mime-types could use some tweaking to make them consistent with other font files.; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111928#c31259>
[14:31:05] <ries>	 I have What is CAD, The face of LibreCAD etc...
[14:31:38] <ries>	 But when I click on a page (What is CAD) a user cannot see anymore where he is at, on the left site it would be nice to see a menu so he can pick other pages and navigate
[14:31:56] <ries>	 I am afraid now they need to go back to the home page each time to find something new
[14:32:41] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Install Artifactory to distribute MWDumper as a Maven Artifact - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34393  +comment (10p858snake)
[14:33:06] <Platonides>	 you would like to show them at the left bar?
[14:33:11] <ries>	 yup
[14:33:35] <Platonides>	 edit MediaWiki:Sidebar
[14:33:39] <Platonides>	 !sidebar | ries
[14:33:39] <mw-bot>	 ries: To edit the navigation menu on the left, edit page [[MediaWiki:Sidebar]] on your wiki using its special syntax. For more details, see http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Interface/Sidebar
[14:38:18] <ries>	 I think I wil have to research this… I don't see how I can add dynamic menu's based on the page you are at, just static links (pre configured)
[14:38:53] <ries>	 thanks...
[14:39:06] <Platonides>	 you could perhaps use subpages
[14:39:37] <Platonides>	 there's also the option of adding a template at all the pages, linking to the titles
[14:39:44] <Platonides>	 of the other sections
[14:41:54] <ries>	 Platonides: I am letting a user in, and see what feedback they gave me… it might sound odd, but I never edited any wikipages but changed a text once a while. so I will just see what users wants then trying to guess what they need
[14:42:13] <ries>	 It's not one of my expertise areas...
[14:42:29] <Subfader>	 is there a way to use a dropdown listing suggesting category names like HotCat does? 
[14:57:02] <codurr>	 New code comment: Hashar; deployed live; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111580#c31260>
[14:57:20] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) "Simple" skin not correct for multiple browsers - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34397  +comment (10Antoine "hashar" Musso)
[15:00:02] <codurr>	 New code comment: Hashar; Looks like we need it to be deployed. Tagging 1.19wmf1; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111796#c31261>
[15:00:13] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) monobook toolbar or vector with old toolbar not setup randomly - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34510  +comment (10Antoine "hashar" Musso)
[15:07:09] <wikibugs>	 14(WFM) Cannot login - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/32114  +comment (10Antoine "hashar" Musso)
[15:15:48] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) Regression: API categorymembers and login occasionally fails to gzip/compress responses - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31603  +comment (10Antoine "hashar" Musso)
[15:17:06] <vvv>	 Reedy: ping
[15:17:17] <vvv>	 Are you the one in charge of shell requests now?
[15:17:50] <hashar>	 he is, I can help too if you need
[15:18:43] <vvv>	 I need to understand what should be done with a request where the community consensus is dubious
[15:19:25] <vvv>	 I.e. I have a bug which requests a chage currently contested by other user
[15:19:52] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Installation cannot see sqlite database driver, even though it's included with PHP (and enabled) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34543 normal; MediaWiki: Installation; (david.dawkins)
[15:20:32] <codurr>	 New code comment: Santhosh.thottingal; Mimetypes fixed in r111935.; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111928#c31263>
[15:20:40] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Installation cannot see sqlite database driver, even though it's included with PHP (and enabled) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34543  (10david.dawkins)
[15:23:49] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Installation cannot see sqlite database driver, even though it's included with PHP (and enabled) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34543  (10Max Semenik)
[15:25:39] <hashar>	 vvv: we do not take a decision for the community
[15:26:03] <hashar>	 vvv: the community has to reach a consensus. Of course some users might object the consensus :-/
[15:26:07] <hashar>	 what is the bug number?
[15:26:18] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Since the 1.19 upgrade on en.wikibooks.org the "Reject Revision" function of the FlaggedRevs extension doesn't work. Selecting to reject a revision results in either a HTTP 500 error or the browser forwarding to the correct URL but then taking no action. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34544   +acai; +comment (10Neil Babbage)
[15:26:23] <vvv>	 34527
[15:27:22] <vvv>	 The situation is that there was a discussion. One user closed a discussion and filled the request, another contested his actions
[15:27:30] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Installation cannot see sqlite database driver, even though it's included with PHP (and enabled) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34543  +comment (10maxsem.wiki)
[15:27:40] <Platonides>	 !b 34527
[15:27:40] <mw-bot>	 https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=34527
[15:27:42] <vvv>	 And told that he will appeal to Arbcom if the decision is not overturn
[15:27:42] <hashar>	 vvv so that is 1 v 1 ? :D
[15:27:53] <hashar>	 does not look like a community consensus to me
[15:27:53] <vvv>	 Essentially
[15:27:59] <vvv>	 No
[15:28:10] <vvv>	 The initial poll was 14:7
[15:28:30] <MaxSem>	 the "Arbcom" alias is especially surreal
[15:28:41] <Platonides>	 O dolook like a community consensus to me
[15:28:42] <Platonides>	 16:32:45 <vvv> Essentiallycreate=autoconfirmed in 
[15:28:54] <Platonides>	 I dont think you could have create=autoconfigrmed just for that ns
[15:30:19] <vvv>	 But vote-counting is shunned upon in Russian Wikipedia and people closing polls are usually supposed to read the discussion
[15:31:14] <vvv>	 Platonides: well, you can put a protection on whole NS
[15:38:12] <wikibugs>	 03(ASSIGNED) Reports of bits.wikimedia.org taking too long - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31541  +comment (10Antoine "hashar" Musso)
[15:38:58] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Not possible to search for "#pragma" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34545 normal; MediaWiki: Vector skin; (tim)
[15:40:28] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) Fix broken cache for http://bits.wikimedia.org/w/extensions-1.17/FlaggedRevs/client/flaggedrevs.js - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31540  +comment (10Antoine "hashar" Musso)
[15:40:49] <Platonides>	 vvv, right
[15:41:52] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) margin for edit section button on RTL wikis with LTR user interface is on the wrong side - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34470  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[15:42:36] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Create a Arbcom namespace on Russian Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34527  +comment (10Sasha Krotov)
[15:43:35] <wikibugs>	 14(DUP) Not possible to search for "#pragma" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34545  +comment (10Platonides)
[15:43:39] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Page navigates to the 'Main page' for the search with the character "#' - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/26766  +comment (10Platonides)
[15:44:01] <wikibugs>	 06(LATER) Create a Arbcom namespace on Russian Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34527  +comment (10Victor Vasiliev)
[15:44:11] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Set $wgLogo value for fawikisource - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34476  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[15:47:09] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Mailing List for Wikimedia Turkey with no active administration - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31468  +comment (10Antoine "hashar" Musso)
[15:49:39] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Unicode characters in aren't blocked by spam blacklist - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34491  +comment (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[15:50:32] <vvv>	 (the last bug comment by Mark was very nice)
[15:52:38] <wikibugs>	 14(INVALID) duplicated twitter postings - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31386   +upstream; +comment (10Antoine "hashar" Musso)
[15:53:07] <hashar>	 hexmode: isn't it president days ? :-D
[15:53:27] <hashar>	 hexmode: or do we need to fill a bug so you can enjoy your holiday day?! \o/
[15:53:32] <RoanKattouw>	 Yup, today is Presidents' Day
[15:54:00] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Since the 1.19 upgrade on en.wikibooks.org the "Reject Revision" function of the FlaggedRevs extension doesn't work. Selecting to reject a revision results in either a HTTP 500 error or the browser forwarding to the correct URL but then taking no action. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34544  (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[15:54:23] <hashar>	 wikibugs: check your error logs :D
[15:54:30] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Since the 1.19 upgrade on en.wikibooks.org the "Reject Revision" function of the FlaggedRevs extension doesn't work. Selecting to reject a revision results in either a HTTP 500 error or the browser forwarding to the correct URL but then taking no action. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34544  -acai  (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[15:59:04] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Unable to refer to core images in extension styles - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34493  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[16:03:36] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Useless scroll for diff of recent translation in the editor - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34494  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[16:03:43] <vvv>	 RoanKattouw: that means that US people from the office do not work today, right?
[16:03:52] <RoanKattouw>	 Yes
[16:06:51] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) https://mediawiki.org redirects to http://www.mediawiki.org/ - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31369  +comment (10Antoine "hashar" Musso)
[16:10:54] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Feedback headline should be translatable - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34546 normal; MediaWiki extensions: Moodbar; (mah)
[16:11:59] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Automatic headline when answering feedback should be editable - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34498  +comment (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[16:19:06] <Sid-G>	 Is there a javascript equivalent function in mediawiki for the parserfunction #ifexist ?
[16:19:32] <codurr>	 New code comment: Platonides; https://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=61145; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111936#c31265>
[16:20:51] <RoanKattouw>	 Sid-G: You could use AJAX to query api.php
[16:21:30] <Sid-G>	 RoanKattouw:Could you be more specific on how to do that? :)
[16:22:17] <Sid-G>	 RoanKattouw: I'm getting article name from the user via a js prompt; and I need to check that the article exists before I execute other code
[16:23:16] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) [[File:Foo.jpg|link=/Subpage]] doesn't work - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34502  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[16:23:32] <RoanKattouw>	 Have you used AJAX before?
[16:23:46] <Sid-G>	 RoanKattouw: Nope
[16:24:14] <RoanKattouw>	 OK, so what AJAX does is it fires off an HTTP request, and then executes some code when it's done
[16:24:19] <RoanKattouw>	 Let me write up an example in pastebin, sec
[16:24:44] <Sid-G>	 RoanKattouw: ok, thnx in advance :)
[16:25:20] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Users without the autopatrol right are being autopatrolled on simple.wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34503  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[16:25:59] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) #babel has confused text when used on category pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34507  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[16:26:17] <potter>	 https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=29789--with reference to this bug i had question
[16:26:26] <robla>	 !b 34508
[16:26:26] <mw-bot>	 https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=34508
[16:26:43] <potter>	 where do you upload stuff in mediawiki?
[16:27:27] <potter>	 yuvipanda: hey
[16:27:35] <potter>	 yuvipanda: there?
[16:27:38] <yuvipanda>	 potter: heya
[16:27:45] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Unicode characters in aren't blocked by spam blacklist - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34491  +comment (10Platonides)
[16:27:51] <RoanKattouw>	 Sid-G: http://pastebin.com/pyjyFEdZ
[16:28:01] <Lcawte>	 RoanKattouw: Hows San Francisco?
[16:28:13] <potter>	 yuvipanda: macha..can you tell me stuff to do with mediwiki.. i have this week completely off
[16:28:37] * Sid-G  goes looking

[16:28:42] <wikibugs>	 14(INVALID) Feedback headline should be translatable - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34546  +comment (10MF-Warburg)
[16:28:42] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Automatic headline when answering feedback should be editable - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34498  +comment (10mfwarburg)
[16:28:57] <RoanKattouw>	 Lcawte: Pretty good so far. I woke up two hours ago and I guess the real bureaucracy starts now :)
[16:29:08] <RoanKattouw>	 I gotta bootstrap myself with a phone number, bank account, etc etc
[16:29:13] <yuvipanda>	 potter: hmm, what kinda stuff are you looking for?
[16:29:24] <Lcawte>	 Hmm, does anyone see any ads when they visit wikiathletic.org? I've just setup the AdSense2 extension, but I don't see anything..
[16:29:27] <yuvipanda>	 potter: are you interested in working on the mobile stuff?
[16:29:31] <yuvipanda>	 do you know jQuery?
[16:29:52] <potter>	 yuvipanda: yeah..but i have no practice
[16:29:58] <Sid-G>	 RoanKattouw: Will that work for an on-wiki script?
[16:30:00] <yuvipanda>	 potter: practice on?
[16:30:03] <potter>	 yuvipanda: learnt it an used it a bit and left it
[16:30:18] <RoanKattouw>	 Sid-G: Yes
[16:30:29] <potter>	 yuvipanda: i have never used it to specific purposes..
[16:30:44] <potter>	 yuvipanda: tried out some of there commands and then thats it...
[16:31:00] <yuvipanda>	 potter: it's a good library to learn...
[16:31:04] <potter>	 btw i was thinking on the bug -https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=29789-
[16:31:20] * yuvipanda  peeks

[16:31:32] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Special:MergeAccount&action=submit generates error - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34478  +comment (10mah)
[16:31:43] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) unable to (SUL-)login on ru.wikiversity.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34512  +comment (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[16:31:54] <potter>	 !upload
[16:31:55] <mw-bot>	 File uploads are disabled per default, set $wgEnableUploads=true; to enable it. See <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Configuring_file_uploads> for configuration details, <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Managing_files> and <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Images> for using uploaded images and other files.
[16:32:04] <Sid-G>	 RoanKattouw: Thanks a lot. Hopefully this is what I was doing wrong (and not other stuff) :)
[16:32:12] <RoanKattouw>	 (I didn't actually test that code, I just wrote it, but it should work)
[16:32:13] <yuvipanda>	 potter: are you looking at the code now?
[16:32:39] <Sid-G>	 RoanKattouw: No worries, I'm testing stuff at deployment anyways
[16:32:52] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Search engine is unstable, producing false "not found" result - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34518  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[16:32:55] <potter>	 yuvipanda: i dont know where the coe is. :-|
[16:33:16] <Sid-G>	 Plus, my current code doesn't work either, so anything's worth a shot :)
[16:33:33] <RoanKattouw>	 Sid-G: Note that the function ( data ) { ... } bit is asynchronous, so that code is run whenever the response comes
[16:33:59] <Sid-G>	 uh, asynchronous?
[16:34:05] <yuvipanda>	 potter: do you have an svn checkout?
[16:34:12] <potter>	 yuvipanda: it is upload folder right?
[16:34:39] <yuvipanda>	 potter: did you read up on Special Pages?
[16:34:42] <Lcawte>	 RoanKattouw: Moving abroad sounds fun, I'll have to try it one day :P
[16:34:57] <wikibugs>	 14(WFM) Retrievedfrom URI in print footer is not using httpS on secure server - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31322  +comment (10Antoine "hashar" Musso)
[16:34:59] <potter>	 yuvipanda: i have it..when you asked "are you seeig the code" i ment that you are asking wheter i am seeing the part of the code that needs to be changed
[16:35:06] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) unable to (SUL-)login on ru.wikiversity.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34512  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[16:35:15] <Lcawte>	 Oooh, I really should be looking at the clock, I'm getting paid to mess with this stuff, I need to keep track of how much time I'm spending on it ^.^
[16:35:27] <RoanKattouw>	 Sid-G: The $.getJSON() call basically means "go do this api.php request, then whenever the server responds do XYZ". So if there's code after the getJSON call, that'll be executed before XYZ
[16:35:28] * RoanKattouw  hopes he is making sense

[16:36:04] <yuvipanda>	 potter: find . | grep Upload
[16:36:16] <yuvipanda>	 gave me a bunch of files inside includes/upload/
[16:36:24] <yuvipanda>	 that would be a good place to start looking at
[16:36:31] <Sid-G>	 uhhh....
[16:36:33] <potter>	 yuvipanda: i knew where the code was :/
[16:36:36] <yuvipanda>	 finding where this is happening is 90% of what the problem is :)
[16:36:38] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Randomly get no/little css in Diff views - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31318  +comment (10Antoine "hashar" Musso)
[16:36:38] <yuvipanda>	 99% even
[16:36:45] <Sid-G>	 Roan: Some sense
[16:36:47] <yuvipanda>	 potter: did you read all of them?
[16:37:03] <potter>	 yuvipanda: i wanted to ask if this bug can be solved by me
[16:37:10] <yuvipanda>	 potter: definitely :)
[16:37:22] <potter>	 yuvipanda: the level of toughness isnt specified.. but i have interest to solve this
[16:37:39] <yuvipanda>	 dive in :)
[16:37:53] <potter>	 yuvipanda: btw i got eclipse IDE working finally..thanks to kashyap
[16:38:12] * yuvipanda  isn't a fan of eclipse, but it seems to work for other people :)

[16:38:31] <potter>	 yuvipanda: ok i'll dive.. :D.
[16:38:52] <potter>	 !upload
[16:38:52] <mw-bot>	 File uploads are disabled per default, set $wgEnableUploads=true; to enable it. See <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Configuring_file_uploads> for configuration details, <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Managing_files> and <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Images> for using uploaded images and other files.
[16:39:25] <Sid-G>	 RoanKattouw: So the code execution time would depend on the user's connection speed? A faster connection gets the AJAX before, the slower one gets it when its too late?
[16:39:52] <RoanKattouw>	 Well quite possibly, yeah, so you can't make any assumptions
[16:39:57] * Sid-G  is seriously wondering how many types of js there is

[16:40:03] <RoanKattouw>	 But even fast connections aren't lightning fast
[16:40:16] <RoanKattouw>	 Like, the amount of time it takes to respond to a web request on a really fast conn is still ~50ms
[16:40:18] <Sid-G>	 hmm
[16:40:24] <Sid-G>	 that wont work
[16:40:39] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) SQLite support (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/20257  (10Max Semenik)
[16:40:39] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Installation cannot see sqlite database driver, even though it's included with PHP (and enabled) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34543  (10Max Semenik)
[16:40:40] <RoanKattouw>	 The time it takes for the JS interpreter to move to the next line of code is more line ~50us probably :)
[16:41:20] * yuvipanda  murmurs 'deferreds'

[16:41:44] <Sid-G>	 i want to set an object property based on the existence of the page. This property decides whether the next function is executed or not. So this definitely wont work
[16:42:18] <Sid-G>	 Isn't there an mw.config or mw.util for this?
[16:42:29] <Krinkle>	 what?
[16:42:56] <RoanKattouw>	 No, that definitely won't work
[16:43:06] <Krinkle>	 So you want to do something only when you're on a page that is an editable wiki page and the page has been created?
[16:43:19] <Krinkle>	 (so not on action=delete, special:pages and redlink-pages?)
[16:43:19] <Sid-G>	 no
[16:43:25] <Sid-G>	 no
[16:43:26] <RoanKattouw>	 Well if you're *on* the page, then maybe mw.config can help you
[16:43:34] <Sid-G>	 no
[16:43:37] <Krinkle>	 Sid-G: What's the criteria
[16:43:37] <RoanKattouw>	 If it's about another page that comes from user input ...
[16:43:38] <Sid-G>	 wait a sec
[16:44:15] <Nikerabbit>	 RoanKattouw: would you happen to have any time after few weeks to help me setup ttmserver?
[16:44:28] <RoanKattouw>	 What's ttmserver?
[16:44:44] <Sid-G>	 Krinkle: Roan: The duplicate article CSD criteria. Wanna check if the user input page actually exists before tagging the page as being a dupe of another
[16:45:27] <RoanKattouw>	 Aha
[16:45:37] <Krinkle>	 Sid-G: In that case you can make a $.getJSON Api request for the page name and check existance
[16:45:39] <RoanKattouw>	 Well what you could do, is something like this    /me pastebins some more
[16:46:04] <Krinkle>	 or if it's likely for the page to exist you could do an edit right away (I think there is an edit-api argument to not edit if the page is not inexistance)
[16:47:26] <Sid-G>	 Krinkle: Can't you just make a cooler (and easier to localize) version of Twinkle (like the rest of your gadgets). That'd save me from a lot of work... :D
[16:47:52] <Krinkle>	 Sid-G: What're you working on?
[16:47:56] <Krinkle>	 (or looking for)
[16:48:39] <RoanKattouw>	 http://pastebin.com/4dEdzLyb
[16:48:44] <Sid-G>	 Krinkle: Working on Twinkle for hi-wp
[16:48:45] <RoanKattouw>	 That's basically the pattern you'd use
[16:49:10] <RoanKattouw>	 stuffToDoIfThePageExists() would be called only if the page exists, and only after a short delay\
[16:49:37] <Krinkle>	 Sid-G: Why would that require you do work on any logic ?
[16:49:43] <Krinkle>	 isn't i18n somewhat separate in twinkle?
[16:50:00] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) [[mw:extension:EmbedVideo]] generates HMTL instead of HTML on EmbedVideoHooks.php line 117 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34547 normal; MediaWiki extensions: [other]; (carlb613)
[16:50:02] <Sid-G>	 not much
[16:50:03] <Krinkle>	 you don't have to re-create it from scratch..
[16:50:09] <Krinkle>	 Sid-G: File a bug in github for Twinkle
[16:50:12] <Sid-G>	 somewhat, not completely
[16:50:16] <Sid-G>	 I know
[16:50:24] <Sid-G>	 he
[16:50:27] <Krinkle>	 to use mw.messages.get/set('twinkle-....')
[16:50:29] <Sid-G>	 heh
[16:50:40] <Sid-G>	 I have a fork
[16:50:42] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) [[mw:extension:EmbedVideo]] generates HMTL instead of HTML on EmbedVideoHooks.php line 117 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34547   +need-review +patch (10Carl Austin Bennett)
[16:50:46] <Sid-G>	 huh, what?
[16:50:59] <Sid-G>	 mw.messages.what ???
[16:51:11] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) [[mw:extension:EmbedVideo]] generates HMTL instead of HTML on EmbedVideo.hooks.php line 117 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34547  summary (10Carl Austin Bennett)
[16:51:49] <Subfader>	 Is there a core function to compare parameter values ('Foo+Bar') via $wgRequest->getVal() with titles in the DB like cl_to ('Foo_Bar')?
[16:52:27] <Sid-G>	 Roan: I could replace the function with a property assignment, or would that make the thing asynchronous again (basically stop it from working)?
[16:52:28] <Platonides>	 Subfader, you would do a Title::newFromText( $wgRequest->getVal(...) );
[16:52:35] <Platonides>	 then $title->exists()
[16:52:44] <Platonides>	 (note that  newFromText may return null)
[16:52:58] <Platonides>	 oh, you weren't actually checking existance :P
[16:53:04] <Sid-G>	 *working correctly I mean
[16:53:21] <RoanKattouw>	 ->getDBkey() then
[16:53:24] <Subfader>	 I will one step ahead.  Cheers! 
[16:54:42] <Subfader>	 Awesome :)
[16:56:24] <Sid-G>	 RoanKattouw:Would a property assignment instead of a function work?
[16:56:55] <RoanKattouw>	 No, because you wouldn't know when to check it
[16:57:12] <Sid-G>	 ok
[16:57:31] <wikibugs>	 04(REOPENED) Prevent creation of new (unattached?) SUL accounts with already unified names - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/29234  +comment (10Platonides)
[16:58:25] <Sid-G>	 wait, I could check if its undefined or not. If its undefined I could go to a 1 to 1mil loop for time consumption (waiting for the server to respond). Wouldn't that work?
[16:59:11] <Sid-G>	 That would mean infinite loops though if the user's connection breaks down
[16:59:18] <RoanKattouw>	 Yeah that's why you shouldn't do it
[16:59:29] <Sid-G>	 k
[16:59:35] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Language and direction of first heading should depend on page content language instead of user interface language - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34514  +comment (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[16:59:55] <Nikerabbit>	 RoanKattouw: the translation memory I wrote
[17:00:24] <Nikerabbit>	 RoanKattouw: I think one shared table for all wmf projects would be the way to go
[17:00:38] <RoanKattouw>	 One shared table for what?
[17:01:07] <hexmode>	 https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=34519 -- is this really ops?  seems like shell could do it
[17:01:25] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) raise template include size limit on Commons - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34519  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[17:01:35] <Nikerabbit>	 RoanKattouw: actually three, for storing texts and their translations
[17:02:48] <Sid-G>	 Oh, btw; I'm currently using a Wikipedia.page object's exist() method defined in Morebits. Maybe someone could take a look to check if I didn't mess using that up? (Its pretty simple to use it, but I'm pretty sure I can mess almost anything up right now)
[17:02:53] <Sid-G>	 Please :)
[17:02:53] <Sid-G>	 http://hi.wikipedia.beta.wmflabs.org/wiki/Mediawiki:Gadget-Twinkle.js
[17:03:09] <Nikerabbit>	 it is also possible to have the tables for each project using Translate the normal way
[17:05:12] <Sid-G>	 Krinkle: What happened about http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Krinkle/Tools#Translator_request btw?
[17:08:30] <Sid-G>	 Krinkle: Roan: ???
[17:08:35] <RoanKattouw>	 ?
[17:08:49] <Sid-G>	 http://hi.wikipedia.beta.wmflabs.org/wiki/Mediawiki:Gadget-Twinkle.js
[17:08:56] <Sid-G>	 twinklespeedy.js
[17:10:03] <potter>	 yuvipanda: in localhost MW..when we upload a file..it comes under Uploadfromfile right??
[17:10:15] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Installation cannot see sqlite database driver, even though it's included with PHP (and enabled) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34543  (10david.dawkins)
[17:10:28] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) Some sparse interwiki links to front pages no longer work. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/791  +comment (10Antoine "hashar" Musso)
[17:10:30] <yuvipanda>	 potter: I haven't worked with the upload code at all, so no idea :|
[17:10:50] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Installation cannot see sqlite database driver, even though it's included with PHP (and enabled) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34543  (10Max Semenik)
[17:10:51] * RoanKattouw  goes out to get breakfast

[17:11:02] <potter>	 anyone knows how does upload work?
[17:11:02] <potter>	 In localhost MW..when we upload a file..it comes under Uploadfromfile right???
[17:11:12] * Sid-G  sighs

[17:11:19] <RoanKattouw_away>	 (Sorry)
[17:11:39] <Sid-G>	 Roan: Do u really find answering my annoying questions easier than coding the thing? :P
[17:12:07] <Sid-G>	 Coz I can still be here after you return from breakfast
[17:12:22] <Krinkle>	 Sid-G: I am/was away for two weeks as my user/talk page says on commons and meta
[17:12:27] <potter>	 lol
[17:12:33] <Sid-G>	 Krinkle: I remember
[17:12:53] <Sid-G>	 Krinkle: U're back though, right? :D
[17:13:03] <RoanKattouw_away>	 No, haven't gone yet
[17:13:23] <Sid-G>	 potter: Maybe u wanna give it a shot? :P
[17:13:34] * Sid-G  could use some magic help

[17:14:01] <potter>	 Sid-G: what?
[17:14:17] <Sid-G>	 Roan: Just have a look at the CSD mod, will ya? Pleeeeease
[17:14:36] <Sid-G>	 potter:	lol What was that about?
[17:14:52] <Krinkle>	 Sid-G: Yes, but I only have 1000s of signals to go through (mail, rss, ..)
[17:14:58] <potter>	 Sid-G: about the conversation
[17:15:00] <Krinkle>	 so last 2 weeks first, then the here-and-now
[17:15:05] <Krinkle>	 unless prioritized otherwise :)
[17:15:16] <Sid-G>	 Krinkle:okkkk, np I can wait :)
[17:15:35] <Sid-G>	 potter: Exactly
[17:16:25] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) [Regression] IRC string output for log messages no longer compatible - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34508  +comment (10robla)
[17:17:32] <Sid-G>	 Quote: "potter> yuvipanda: macha..can you tell me stuff to do with mediwiki.. i have this week completely off" I could use help, and it involves jquery :D
[17:17:47] <yuvipanda>	 Sid-G: go on :)
[17:18:01] <yuvipanda>	 Sid-G: what exactly are you trying to do?
[17:18:05] <tale>	 !spam
[17:18:05] <mw-bot>	 For information about combating and handling spam in MediaWiki, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Combating_spam> and <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Anti-spam_features>.
[17:18:07] <yuvipanda>	 i walked in sadly halfway through
[17:18:12] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) [[mw:extension:EmbedVideo]] generates HMTL instead of HTML on EmbedVideo.hooks.php line 117 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34547  +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[17:18:17] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) mwEmbed is not compatible with HTTPS-/secure-wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34520  +comment (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[17:18:52] <Sid-G>	 yuvipanda: Localizing TW for hi-wp; and annoyed at not being a veteran coder.
[17:19:01] <wikibugs>	 03(WONTFIX) secure.wikimedia.org has interwiki links to insecure sites - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/5440  +comment (10Antoine "hashar" Musso)
[17:19:08] <srikanthlogic>	 Sid-G: do you really need TW in hiwp ?
[17:19:19] <Sid-G>	 srikanthlogic: Yes
[17:19:34] <Sid-G>	 Quite useful
[17:19:36] <yuvipanda>	 Sid-G: what exactly is the problem?
[17:20:01] <Sid-G>	 yuvipanda: The csd criteria for articles dupes...
[17:20:12] <Sid-G>	 requires user input for the name of the original article...
[17:20:18] <srikanthlogic>	 Sid-G: for the 10 tags(atmost) that tawp uses, i found http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Hoo_man/Scripts/Tagger easier
[17:20:43] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) [SF] 2.4; Add new parser function #querylink - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34309  +comment (10MWJames)
[17:20:46] <Sid-G>	 srikanthlogic: The tag module's done
[17:21:16] <Sid-G>	 yuvipanda: I wanna check that the user input article name exists, before tagging the page for csd
[17:21:58] <yuvipanda>	 ok?
[17:22:00] <Sid-G>	 srikanthlogic: Also done TB and RPP. Working on CSD now
[17:22:26] <Sid-G>	 yuvipanda: I need the js equivalent for #ifexist to set an object property
[17:22:38] <srikanthlogic>	 Sid-G: cool, I was just wondering cost-benefit of localizing TW for smaller wikis
[17:22:43] <yuvipanda>	 Sid-G: can you show me the code?
[17:22:44] <Sid-G>	 Depending on which further code execution is done
[17:22:53] <yuvipanda>	 Sid-G: do you know how callbacks work?
[17:23:00] <yuvipanda>	 in jQuery?
[17:23:08] <Sid-G>	 yuvipanda: http://hi.wikipedia.beta.wmflabs.org/wiki/Mediawiki:Gadget-Twinkle.js
[17:23:30] <Sid-G>	 yuvipanda: I haven't formally learned js/jquery
[17:23:41] <Sid-G>	 yuvipanda: But, yeah, I know the basics
[17:23:55] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) [SF] 2.4; Add new parser function #queryformlink - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34309  summary (10MWJames)
[17:24:03] <yuvipanda>	 that's one huge file
[17:24:12] <Sid-G>	 srikanthlogic: I always wanted twinkle to go like HotCat, but can't do it myself
[17:24:28] <Sid-G>	 yuvipanda: Go to twinklespeedy.js
[17:24:44] <Sid-G>	 search this actually:
[17:24:44] <Sid-G>	 var oarticle = new Wikipedia.page(article);
[17:24:58] <Sid-G>	 yuvipanda: Found it yet?
[17:25:00] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) The ReturnTo query parameter of Special:UserLogin skips array-valued parameters - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34521  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[17:25:21] <Sid-G>	 srikanthlogic: Benefit is much greater than the cost
[17:25:37] <yuvipanda>	 yup
[17:25:44] <Sid-G>	 srikanthlogic: I beleive it should help attract users
[17:25:45] <yuvipanda>	 no line numbers o_O
[17:25:51] <yuvipanda>	 			var article = prompt( 'कृपया मूल लेख का नाम बताएँ', "");
[17:25:51] <yuvipanda>	 ?
[17:26:03] <yuvipanda>	 the fact that I can't read hindi at all hurts here
[17:26:09] <Sid-G>	 prompt('Input the article name');
[17:26:22] <Sid-G>	 asks for the original article name
[17:26:26] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) User notification when new gadgets are enabled on an opt-out basis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34522  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[17:26:36] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) [SF] 2.4; Add new parser function #queryformlink - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34309  +comment (10jamesin.hongkong.1)
[17:26:44] <Sid-G>	 yuvipanda: the problem is that the .exists() is always returning a false
[17:26:52] <Sid-G>	 and I have no clue why
[17:27:29] <Sid-G>	 yuvipanda: Do u see any obvious syntax/other error with this?
[17:28:02] <yuvipanda>	 no, but let me read code of the .exists() function
[17:28:04] <yuvipanda>	 and see what's up
[17:28:08] <yuvipanda>	 is this running someplace?
[17:28:14] <Sid-G>	 Its in morebits.js
[17:28:22] <Sid-G>	 yuvi: only on deployment
[17:28:38] <yuvipanda>	 only on deployment as in?
[17:28:41] <yuvipanda>	 is this live on hi-wp?
[17:28:45] <Sid-G>	 no
[17:28:50] <yuvipanda>	 how are you testing it?
[17:28:53] <Sid-G>	 this is the deployment test site
[17:28:58] <Sid-G>	 for MW1.19
[17:29:03] <Sid-G>	 see the url
[17:29:12] <Sid-G>	 beta.wmflabs.org
[17:29:19] <Sid-G>	 thats not wikipedia
[17:30:13] <rclakmal>	 Hi everyone .  
[17:30:26] <Sid-G>	 srikanthlogic: which wiki do u work on? :)
[17:31:03] <rclakmal>	 anyone avaiable from whom I can get an advice about a possible extension ?
[17:31:58] <yuvipanda>	 Sid-G: am reasonably confused about how gadgets work
[17:31:58] <yuvipanda>	 haven't done it before :|
[17:32:03] <yuvipanda>	 srikanthlogic: can you help Sid-G on this?
[17:32:05] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) mwEmbed is not compatible with HTTPS-/secure-wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34520  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[17:32:58] <Sid-G>	 yuvipanda: NP, u tried; thats what counts :)
[17:33:21] <yuvipanda>	 Sid-G: this uses a lot of gadget-specific code that I'm not familiar with :(
[17:33:44] <Sid-G>	 gadget-specific?
[17:34:02] <Sid-G>	 u mean the mw.blahs?
[17:35:05] <yuvipanda>	 Wikipedia.*
[17:35:05] <yuvipanda>	 mw.*
[17:35:16] <Sid-G>	 hmm
[17:36:01] <Sid-G>	 yuvipanda: search morebits for ctx.pageExists
[17:36:35] <Sid-G>	 Is that AJAX being used to determine existence?
[17:37:02] <yuvipanda>	 checking
[17:37:06] <Sid-G>	 ctx.pageExists = ($(xml).find('page').attr('missing') !== "");
[17:37:15] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Two search suggestions boxes are being displayed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34548 normal; MediaWiki: Javascript; (yyairrand)
[17:37:56] <yuvipanda>	 that's definitely *NOT* xml
[17:38:05] <yuvipanda>	 err
[17:38:06] <yuvipanda>	 not ajax
[17:38:16] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Add class to FlaggedRevs extra messages in the protection form - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34525  normal->15enhancement (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[17:38:18] <yuvipanda>	 Sid-G: can you tell me where I could run this for myself?
[17:40:18] <Sid-G>	 yuvipanda: U wanna change the code, or do a test run as a TW user?
[17:40:37] <yuvipanda>	 test run so I can use firebug on it
[17:40:47] <yuvipanda>	 and watch as it does things so I know what's the problem
[17:40:59] <Sid-G>	 yuvipanda: http://hi.wikipedia.beta.wmflabs.org/wiki/%E0%A4%AA%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%B0%E0%A4%AF%E0%A5%8B%E0%A4%97%E0%A4%B8%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%A5%E0%A4%B2
[17:41:19] <Sid-G>	 yuvipanda: No js errors show up in the chrome console btw
[17:41:59] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Wikimedia 404 Error shouldn't hardcode http - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/30733  +comment (10Antoine "hashar" Musso)
[17:42:24] <Sid-G>	 yuvipanda: do u have an account on deployment? Its separate from SUL
[17:42:33] <yuvipanda>	 afaik now
[17:42:35] <yuvipanda>	 *nope
[17:42:43] <Sid-G>	 yuvipanda: Create one then
[17:42:48] * yuvipanda  tries to switch language to english

[17:42:55] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) Wikimedia 404 Error shouldn't hardcode http - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/30733  +comment (10Antoine "hashar" Musso)
[17:43:11] <yuvipanda>	 Sid-G: can you point me to where to do that?
[17:43:14] <erroneous_nickna>	 is there a way to install everything on mediawiki.org into a new install
[17:43:21] <Sid-G>	 &uselang=en ?
[17:43:33] <Sid-G>	 yuvipanda: wait a sec
[17:43:38] <Sid-G>	 http://labs.wikimedia.beta.wmflabs.org/wiki/Main_Page
[17:43:41] <Sid-G>	 go there
[17:43:54] <Sid-G>	 create an account. It'll be SUL on deployment only
[17:44:00] <erroneous_nickna>	 is there a way to install everything on mediawiki.org into a new install
[17:44:49] <erroneous_nickna>	 is there a way to install everything on mediawiki.org into a new install
[17:45:05] <yuvipanda>	 Sid-G: signing up gives me a db error :)
[17:45:14] <Sid-G>	 heh
[17:45:24] <Sid-G>	 maybe someone messed up again
[17:45:31] <Sid-G>	 deployment's unstable
[17:45:36] <erroneous_nickna>	 is there a way to install everything on mediawiki.org into a new install
[17:45:48] <Sid-G>	 yuvipanda: join #wikimedia-labs
[17:46:19] <yuvipanda>	 am there always ;)
[17:46:46] <Sid-G>	 so, nothing there about db errors on signup?
[17:47:24] <Krenair>	 erroneous_nickna, what?
[17:48:24] <erroneous_nickna>	 is there a way to put everyting from mediawiki into a new installation of mediawiki (for a wiki)
[17:48:53] <erroneous_nickna>	 *you can call me erroneous_nickname (that is what is was suppost to be)
[17:48:55] <yuvipanda>	 Sid-G: nope
[17:49:11] <Sid-G>	 yuvipanda:btw, if that isn't ajax; is it jquery?
[17:49:24] <yuvipanda>	 at some point somewhere it is going to be ajax :)
[17:49:33] <yuvipanda>	 (if it was using the API)
[17:49:41] <Sid-G>	 heh
[17:50:05] <Sid-G>	 so we have no idea what ($(xml).find('page').attr('missing') !== ""); could be
[17:50:43] <wikibugs>	 14(DUP) mwEmbed is not compatible with HTTPS-/secure-wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34520  +comment (10Antoine "hashar" Musso)
[17:50:46] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) mwEmbed is hosted on prototype.mw, meaning that it does not support https - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/32457  +comment (10Antoine "hashar" Musso)
[17:50:51] <erroneous_nickna>	  is there a way to put everyting from mediawiki into a new installation of mediawiki (for a new wiki) like a master svn checkout 
[17:52:22] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) [Regression] IRC string output for log messages no longer compatible - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34508  +comment (10krinklemail)
[17:52:42] <erroneous_nickna>	 !e TEST
[17:52:42] <mw-bot>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:TEST
[17:52:44] <Krinkle>	 Sid-G: use format=json
[17:53:00] <Krinkle>	 (just a random thought)
[17:53:06] <Sid-G>	 Krinkle: what?
[17:53:51] <Krinkle>	 then you can access the data as a native JavaScript object instead of having to traverse a DOM
[17:54:05] <Krinkle>	 data.pages.(..).page.missing
[17:54:16] <Krinkle>	 e.g. a for-loop on pages
[17:54:29] <Sid-G>	 Krinkle: U're talking about modifying the $.(xml) line?
[17:54:52] <Krinkle>	 I have no idea where you pasted that line from but I can see it's doing something with the response of a MediaWiki API request
[17:55:02] <Sid-G>	 Krinkle: Thats morebits
[17:55:20] <Krinkle>	 I'm suggesting (probably not related to your question) that whoever wrote that uses format=json instead of format=xml
[17:55:22] <Krinkle>	 OK
[17:55:32] <Sid-G>	 That's the result for a wikipedia.page method .exists()
[17:55:53] <Sid-G>	 which is what I'm using right now and isn't working
[17:56:20] <Sid-G>	 Krinkle: Tell AzaToth/TTO/Amalthea/other en-wp TW dev
[17:56:42] <Krinkle>	 Sid-G: Show me the code
[17:56:47] <Krinkle>	 (your code)
[17:57:02] <Sid-G>	 Krinkle:http://hi.wikipedia.beta.wmflabs.org/wiki/Mediawiki:Gadget-Twinkle.js
[17:57:08] <Sid-G>	 Search for:
[17:57:18] <Sid-G>	 var oarticle = new Wikipedia.page(article);
[17:57:33] <Sid-G>	 its that particular case in the switch only
[17:57:44] <Sid-G>	 which I'm worried about right now
[17:58:13] <Sid-G>	 Krinkle: Found it?
[17:58:54] <Krinkle>	 Yes
[17:59:12] <Sid-G>	 and, how bad is it?
[17:59:13] <Krinkle>	 Where is Wikipedia.page.prototype.exists defined
[17:59:21] <Sid-G>	 morebits
[17:59:50] <Sid-G>	 U know where to find that, right?
[17:59:53] <Krinkle>	 yes
[17:59:55] <Krinkle>	 http://hi.wikipedia.beta.wmflabs.org/wiki/%E0%A4%AE%E0%A5%80%E0%A4%A1%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%AF%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%B5%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%95%E0%A4%BF:Gadget-morebits.js
[17:59:59] <Krinkle>	 should be fine
[18:00:00] <Sid-G>	 yup
[18:01:08] <Krinkle>	 so what's not working ?
[18:01:10] <Sid-G>	 Krinkle: The .exists() is defined by the line I'd pasted
[18:01:33] <Sid-G>	 Krinkle: params.cont is false even if the page exists
[18:01:37] <erroneous_nickna>	 need help with extension TEST
[18:01:40] <Krinkle>	 did you load() first ?
[18:02:08] <Sid-G>	 Krinkle:no
[18:02:14] <Sid-G>	 u can see that I didn't
[18:02:23] <Sid-G>	 I have to?
[18:02:42] <Sid-G>	 all I did was var oarticle = new Wikipedia.page(article);
[18:02:43] <Krinkle>	 Yes
[18:02:48] <Krinkle>	 It's asynchronous
[18:03:03] <Krinkle>	 http://hi.wikipedia.beta.wmflabs.org/wiki/%E0%A4%AE%E0%A5%80%E0%A4%A1%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%AF%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%B5%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%95%E0%A4%BF:Gadget-morebits.js
[18:03:08] <Krinkle>	 *
[18:03:08] <Krinkle>	  * **************** Wikipedia.page ****************
[18:03:08] <Sid-G>	 so it might not work even if i do load() ?
[18:03:10] <Krinkle>	 read that part
[18:03:52] <Krinkle>	 oarticle.load(function success(){}, function error(){})
[18:04:01] <Krinkle>	 from inside success you can check .exists()
[18:04:28] <Sid-G>	 ok
[18:04:31] <Sid-G>	 ...
[18:04:50] <RoanKattouw_away>	 hah, so it is async after all
[18:05:10] <Sid-G>	 now I get the comment in morebits
[18:05:12] <Krenair>	 http://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:G%C3%BClhan out of project scope?
[18:05:45] <Sid-G>	 Krinkle: Till now it escaped me what it meant by "when it was last loaded"
[18:05:50] <Sid-G>	 heh
[18:06:21] <Sid-G>	 it meant load()ed
[18:07:06] <Krinkle>	 Sid-G: http://pastebin.com/2TqtYAMW
[18:07:24] <Krinkle>	 http://pastebin.com/PjxEuujs
[18:07:32] <Krinkle>	 (untested)
[18:08:05] <Krinkle>	 doStuffNow is where it would continue
[18:08:21] <Sid-G>	 Krinkle: Seriously, can't you just make a cooler version of Twinkle?
[18:08:28] <Krinkle>	 anything that should happen after this must be moved into a new function, it can't be put below the switch(), because that would get run before the load() is ready
[18:08:57] <Krinkle>	 Sid-G: I hope in a few months/years we won't have to use Twinkle any more and have a nice (very much Twinkle-inspired) extension instead
[18:09:12] <Krinkle>	 that combines RTRC an RecentChanges as well
[18:09:12] <Sid-G>	 Krinkle:which extension?
[18:09:23] <Sid-G>	 :O
[18:09:28] <Krinkle>	 internally I'm calling it ActivityMonitor and RCPatrol, but that's just working titles
[18:09:50] <Sid-G>	 so u're developing it?
[18:10:04] <Krinkle>	 No, they're just ideas
[18:10:16] <Krinkle>	 but I'm sure we will need them and someone will build them and it will happen within a year
[18:10:17] <Sid-G>	 :O :O
[18:10:28] <Krinkle>	 how and under which payment I don't care
[18:10:36] <Sid-G>	 btw, whats with the WYSIWYG editor prototype
[18:10:57] <Krinkle>	 dunno, what about it ?
[18:11:17] <Sid-G>	 I haven't tried it, but is it good?
[18:11:29] <Krinkle>	 it's pretty awesome :)
[18:11:32] <Krinkle>	 but work in progress
[18:11:46] <Sid-G>	 hmm
[18:12:41] <Sid-G>	 anything that should happen after this must be moved into a new function, it can't be put below the switch(), because that would get run before the load() is ready. Could you explain that a bit?
[18:13:16] <Sid-G>	 U mean the function is called thru the success function so that it isn't triggered unless success?
[18:13:25] <Krinkle>	 mono, not like that
[18:13:28] <Krinkle>	 nono*
[18:13:43] <Krinkle>	 what I mean load() is asynchronous
[18:13:52] <Sid-G>	 ok
[18:13:53] <Krinkle>	 so the function that contains the switch() goes like this:
[18:14:15] <Sid-G>	 u mean function twinklespeedyGetParameters(value, normalized, statelem) ?
[18:14:16] <Krinkle>	 switch( … ), find the case, .., call load(), [ .. load works in the background.. ], end of switch, code after switch(), function returns
[18:14:24] <Krinkle>	 then load() calls success() or error() at some point
[18:14:43] <Krinkle>	 in the future
[18:14:46] <Sid-G>	 ok
[18:15:04] <Sid-G>	 so basically, params.cont might not be set to false by the time it should be?
[18:15:16] <Krinkle>	 I don't know, depends on how the code is written
[18:15:18] <Sid-G>	 it may/may not work basically
[18:17:51] <Sid-G>	 ok, its written wierdly
[18:18:30] <Sid-G>	 but this object has to be copied soon after
[18:18:45] <Sid-G>	 so, if the property hasn't been set by then; its no use since this object wont be used finally. It'll be a copy
[18:18:46] <Krinkle>	 Sid-G: Just curious, is this something that works fine on the English wiki ?
[18:18:56] <Sid-G>	 which'll be used
[18:18:58] <Krinkle>	 I'm just not seeing how come you're working on this during translation
[18:19:21] <Sid-G>	 Krinkle:not just translation
[18:19:25] <Sid-G>	 u want details?
[18:19:38] <Krinkle>	 Sid-G: sure
[18:20:01] <Sid-G>	 speedy deletion policy differs. template names and param inputs change.
[18:20:16] <Sid-G>	 means i need a change in the way it works
[18:20:34] <Sid-G>	 and I know enuf of js to mess it all up, so...
[18:20:38] <Sid-G>	 here we are
[18:20:40] <srikanthlogic>	 Sid-G: this exactly is what i meant as cost ^^
[18:21:01] <Sid-G>	 srikanthlogic: Thats why I'm testing at deployment first
[18:21:16] <Sid-G>	 srikanthlogic: And not setting it up live
[18:21:28] <srikanthlogic>	 Sid-G: :) perfect use of labs :)
[18:21:30] <Sid-G>	 srikanthlogic: The only cost I see is loads of time needed to understand the code
[18:21:36] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) Problem with edits after rename - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34526  +comment (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[18:21:48] <Sid-G>	 srikanthlogic: Its like a huge sandbox for me :)
[18:23:32] <Sid-G>	 krinkle: Can't I stop code execution till I get the AJAX output?
[18:23:46] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) Enable Narayam on mr.wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/32669  +comment (10Niklas Laxström)
[18:23:55] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) Enable Narayam on mr.wikisource.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34454  +comment (10Niklas Laxström)
[18:23:56] <Krinkle>	 Sid-G: No
[18:23:59] <Krinkle>	 Use callbacks
[18:24:04] <Sid-G>	 no way to do that?
[18:24:08] <Krinkle>	 no
[18:24:33] <Sid-G>	 or that requires an infinite loop?
[18:24:37] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Default=now not working with pointing red links to a form - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34549 normal; MediaWiki extensions: SemanticForms; (mitchell_neill)
[18:24:41] <Krinkle>	 No, that will crash the browser 
[18:24:51] <Sid-G>	 really?
[18:24:52] <Krinkle>	 you have to split up the code in logical parts and functions
[18:24:58] <Krinkle>	 and call them in sequence
[18:25:13] <Krinkle>	 and one function calls the next, either directly or in case of ajax from the callback
[18:25:38] <shantanoo>	 hi Nikerabbit 
[18:26:58] <Sid-G>	 Krinkle: So basically this won't fly...
[18:27:15] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) Enable Narayam on Kannada Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34516  +comment (10Niklas Laxström)
[18:27:30] <Krinkle>	 Sid-G: Sure it will
[18:27:31] <Nikerabbit>	 hi shantanoo 
[18:27:39] <Nikerabbit>	 shantanoo: here now?
[18:27:44] <shantanoo>	 yep
[18:27:50] <Nikerabbit>	 just enabled narayam
[18:27:55] <Krinkle>	 Sid-G: But you'll have to rethink this into a more object oriented approach (if not already) and it if is, use the functions properly
[18:28:10] <Nikerabbit>	 it might take a while before caches regenerate
[18:28:30] <heatherw>	 :D
[18:28:31] <Sid-G>	 Krinkle: Heh, I never learned the "Object oriented approach"
[18:28:38] <Krenair>	 Krinkle: http://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:G%C3%BClhan out of project scope?
[18:29:00] <shantanoo>	 Nikerabbit: saw the bug just now
[18:31:17] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Mailing List for Wikimedia Turkey with no active administration - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31468  +comment (10vitomedia)
[18:31:18] <shantanoo>	 Nikerabbit: thanks a lot
[18:32:58] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Since the 1.19 upgrade on en.wikibooks.org the "Reject Revision" function of the FlaggedRevs extension doesn't work. Selecting to reject a revision results in either a HTTP 500 error or the browser forwarding to the correct URL but then taking no action. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34544  +comment (10aschulz4587)
[18:34:15] <wikibugs>	 04(REOPENED) https://mediawiki.org redirects to http://www.mediawiki.org/ - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31369  +comment (10MZMcBride)
[18:34:16] * Joan  tickles hashar.

[18:42:50] <Krinkle>	 RoanKattouw_away: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:ResourceLoader#Resorce_Loader_not_compressing_javascript_requests._12016 Any idea?
[18:43:35] <Krinkle>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:ResourceLoader#Compression_on_javascript_requests_not_working_12016
[18:45:21] <Sid-G>	 Krinkle: Won't modular programming work for TW? Is OOP better?
[18:45:51] <Krinkle>	 modular/OOP, they are somewhat overlapping terms in practice
[18:46:13] <Krinkle>	 one should probably be doing both
[18:46:34] <RoanKattouw_away>	 no idea
[18:46:44] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) Since the 1.19 upgrade on en.wikibooks.org the "Reject Revision" function of the FlaggedRevs extension doesn't work. Selecting to reject a revision results in either a HTTP 500 error or the browser forwarding to the correct URL but then taking no action. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34544  +comment (10Aaron Schulz)
[18:46:50] * RoanKattouw_away  is gonna go out again

[18:46:55] <RoanKattouw_away>	 Let's see if I can get a 415 number today
[18:49:48] <Reedy>	 I'd imagine you can get a PAYG number easily
[18:50:17] <RoanKattouw_away>	 I think I'm gonna get a Virgin Mobile thing, it's kind of a mix between PAYG and a subscription plan
[18:50:56] <RoanKattouw_away>	 Essentially it's $35/mo for unlimited text+data and 400 minutes
[18:51:40] <RoanKattouw_away>	 But you just buy each month when you want to, so at the end of the month if you haven't renewed it they just cut you off
[18:53:57] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) [SRF] 1.7 [patch]: SRF_Gallery.php Fatal error: Call to a member function addImage() line 166 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34411  +comment (10jeroen_dedauw)
[18:54:21] <MaxSem>	 any objections against http://dpaste.com/705852/ ?
[18:54:23] <Joan>	 Maybe I'll switch to that.
[18:54:49] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Enable WebFonts on the Buginese Wikipedia (bugwiki) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34550 enhancement; Wikimedia: Extension setup; (robinp.1273)
[18:54:59] <Joan>	 A roast?
[18:55:17] <RoanKattouw_away>	 Oh, it's 300mins
[18:55:23] <RoanKattouw_away>	 http://www.virginmobileusa.com/cell-phone-plans/beyond-talk-plans.jsp
[18:55:32] <Joan>	 I can't imagine you talk on the phone very much.
[18:56:05] <MaxSem>	 Joan, en-3 was forcefully put on my userpage!
[18:56:14] <Joan>	 Heh.
[18:56:21] <Joan>	 I'm just not sure I understand the code comment.
[18:56:31] <Joan>	 It could be me. :-)
[18:56:40] <pubsez>	 hey, using a script how can I detect if a page in mediawiki is broken, e.g. mediawiki has an error
[18:56:51] <pubsez>	 other than http codes of course
[18:56:58] <Joan>	 curl the main page and look at the output?
[18:57:09] <Joan>	 But you may have to mvoe around cache.
[18:57:11] <Joan>	 move
[18:57:41] <pubsez>	 Joan, if that's to me, how do I understand if the result is wrong automatically in a script, not manually ?
[18:57:46] <Joan>	 MaxSem: I don't much about what you're working on, but I'd usually think it ibe if !defined...
[18:57:53] <Joan>	 think it'd be *
[18:58:01] <RoanKattouw_away>	 Yeah 300mins is something I am never gonna use
[18:58:36] <Joan>	 pubsez: Without using HTTP error codes or looking at the output? Umm.
[18:59:14] <pubsez>	 yes, I have seen couple of cases where it fails but I couldn't find an obvious way to detect if the page is in error
[18:59:46] <pubsez>	 one I have seen is there was a warning code even before <html> tag, but I am not sure if this applies to ALL errors
[19:00:15] <Joan>	 Sometimes incompatible extensions will output error messages on certain pages.
[19:00:39] <Joan>	 Because not all extensions aren't called on every page, it could be seemingly intermittent.
[19:01:09] <pubsez>	 it seems that it is a bit difficult to verify everything seems to be working in all pages, I wonder what the mediawiki guys do to verify that a change does not break some pages
[19:01:53] <Joan>	 Wait for user reports. :-)
[19:02:03] <pubsez>	 :)) 
[19:03:17] <codurr>	 New code comment: SPQRobin; Thanks :); <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111928#c31266>
[19:03:28] <pubsez>	 my wiki installation is only for reading, is there a way to speed it up, since mediawiki seems to be doing a lot of checks, for example whether all links are in the database
[19:04:02] <pubsez>	 is there a way to prevent those checks, I am even willing to change the mediawiki code
[19:07:22] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) #ask query parsing fails when = character occurs in query string - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/32955  +comment (10fastgoldfish)
[19:08:47] <codurr>	 New code comment: SPQRobin; Indeed, but I don't have experience with that. If it isn't too difficult I'll do that. (And if it is; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111896#c31267>
[19:13:16] <MaxSem>	 !performance | pubsez
[19:13:16] <mw-bot>	 pubsez: <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Aaron_Schulz/How_to_make_MediaWiki_fast> <http://mituzas.lt/2007/01/26/mediawiki-performance-tuning/>
[19:17:22] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) For Wikisource series, please create [be:] interwiki link to point to oldwikisource - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/26124  +comment (10Paul Selitskas)
[19:23:12] <johnduhart>	 !seen sumanah
[19:23:14] <Petanbot>	 sumanah (~sumanah@mediawiki/sumanah) was last seen quitting from #mediawiki 1 day, 4 hours, 24 minutes ago stating (Quit: Leaving).
[19:26:58] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Queries with inversed properties sort broken in 1.7b1 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/32988  +comment (10Pierre Réveillon)
[19:27:03] <DerJoerg>	 Hi ho guys!
[19:27:30] <DerJoerg>	 How can I get the name of a namespace when I have the namespace number?
[19:28:44] <Krenair>	 DerJoerg, api.php?action=query&meta=siteinfo&siprop=namespaces
[19:29:06] <DerJoerg>	 I am in a skin class. 
[19:30:38] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) CSS rule causes blue background for chrome users - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34551 minor; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (joeysmith)
[19:30:58] <DerJoerg>	 I found the namespace number in $this->getSkin()->getTitle()->getNamespace();
[19:31:14] <DerJoerg>	 but is there a way to get the "speaking" name of this namespace?
[19:31:57] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) CSS rule causes blue background for chrome users - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34551  +comment (10joeysmith)
[19:33:44] <Krenair>	 DerJoerg, try MWNamespace::getCanonicalName($this->getSkin()->getTitle()->mNamespace);
[19:34:51] <Krenair>	 DerJoerg, or MWNamespace::getCanonicalName($this->getSkin()->getTitle()->getNamespace());
[19:36:18] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) CSS rule causes blue background for chrome users - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34551  +comment (10b)
[19:36:33] <MaxSem>	 Krenair, the latter because fields will eventually be made non-accessible
[19:37:07] <Krenair>	 DerJoerg, use the second one
[19:37:14] <Krenair>	 MaxSem, ok.
[19:37:55] <Krenair>	 MaxSem, also, I was wondering why Special:DeletedContributions was made instead of an option in Special:Contributions
[19:38:23] <MaxSem>	 historically DeletedContributions was an extension
[19:38:32] <codurr>	 New code comment: IAlex; Would it be possible to use something else than <code>wfHttpError()</code>?; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111955#c31268>
[19:38:53] <DerJoerg>	 Krenair: Will do. Just a question: Where did you get the information on MWNamespace::getCanonicalName(...) from?
[19:39:29] <Krenair>	 DerJoerg, I actually just found MWNamespace in includes/Namespace.php and looked through it's methods :p
[19:40:02] <DerJoerg>	 How boring. ;-)
[19:40:38] <MaxSem>	 DerJoerg, grepping is a prerequisite to programming ;)
[19:42:22] <Krenair>	 clone MediaWiki repo -> grep "shit" * -R
[19:42:32] <wikibugs>	 03(WONTFIX) Enable $wgPFEnableStringFunctions on he.wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/29087  +comment (10Antoine "hashar" Musso)
[19:43:03] <DerJoerg>	 MaxSem: Sounds like a quote by Confucius. :-D
[19:45:19] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) Secure Server 404 Error Message: Did you mean URL is wrong - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/23559  +comment (10Antoine "hashar" Musso)
[19:52:14] <Reedy>	 We've got 27 global unused functions in our repository
[19:52:22] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) API should allow edit using pageid - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/32492  +comment (10umherirrender_de.wp)
[19:52:23] <Dantman>	 Krenair, DerJoerg: FWIW Title has a getNsText method. if what you want is really the namespace you should output to the user rather than the one canonical comparable name then this method will make use of both MWNamespace::getCanonicalName and also our gender alias code.
[19:52:30] <iclebyte-home>	 is there a method of rolling back all articles later than a specific date? i.e. to roll back a mass vandalisim? 
[19:52:41] <Dantman>	 Reedy: ;) How many are mine?
[19:52:46] <codurr>	 New code comment: Reedy; lol.; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111947#c31269>
[19:53:30] <Reedy>	 12 are wf prefixed
[19:53:50] <Dantman>	 Oh just give us the names alredy
[19:54:14] <Krenair>	 MaxSem, https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=32492
[19:54:33] <Reedy>	 http://p.defau.lt/?lA0wto2y__Ij8Pa8O8x44w
[19:54:37] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) Disable SSLv2 on secure.wikimedia.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/29014  +comment (10Antoine "hashar" Musso)
[19:54:57] * robla  thinks Reedy may be on his way to breaking some old extensions again

[19:55:16] <Reedy>	 robla: it's that or I can go upset enwiki ;)
[19:55:29] <robla>	 Reedy: I know....you can fix blockers!
[19:55:38] <robla>	 :-P
[19:55:48] <Reedy>	 Most of them are marked properly as deprecated in 1.19
[19:55:53] <Reedy>	 so we're heading in the right direction
[19:56:42] <Reedy>	 The memcached ones need tidying up at some later date
[19:57:18] * Nikerabbit  sends cheese to Reedy

[19:57:37] <robla>	 I'd like the backwards compatibility extension prior to deleting any more stuff out of core: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Summer_of_Code_2012  
[19:58:12] <Reedy>	 There's stuff in there that I don't think I've ever seen actually used anywhere
[19:58:16] <robla>	 I dunno who originally thought of it.  thedj mentioned the idea to me at the SF hackathon
[19:58:29] <robla>	 Reedy: we don't know how many private wiki extensions rely on that stuff
[19:58:56] <robla>	 most probably aren't used anywhere, but there's no need to go crazy deleting them
[19:59:06] <robla>	 we have so many bigger fish to fry
[19:59:12] <Reedy>	 I wasn't planning on wiping them from the repo today or anything
[19:59:20] <Reedy>	 Just noticed as I was poking around
[19:59:49] <robla>	 oh c'mon, it was only a matter of time before you started  :)
[20:00:13] <Reedy>	 precisely
[20:00:16] <Reedy>	 I said today ;)
[20:00:37] <robla>	 "tonight, on the other hand..."
[20:00:57] <Reedy>	 I'll also likley be about early tomorrow morning
[20:01:27] <Dantman>	 Some of those have reasons
[20:01:28] <thedj>	 robla: wasn't me at least :D
[20:01:52] <Dantman>	 wfVarDump is a debug tool, naturally there's no live use
[20:02:09] <Dantman>	 wfLoadExtensionMessages is there to throw deprecation warnings
[20:02:49] <Dantman>	 Same for wfUILang
[20:04:49] <Dantman>	 IIRC untaint was something to do with https://wiki.php.net/rfc/taint
[20:05:34] <Dantman>	 __autoload is naturally never used
[20:05:46] <Dantman>	 Since it's called by php internally
[20:06:09] <Dantman>	 Reedy: Did you scan extensions for use of wfUsePHP and wfUseMW?
[20:06:20] <Reedy>	 That's the whole of our svn repo as is
[20:07:08] <Amgine>	 Is there a way to disable account creation via the API? 
[20:07:23] <Reedy>	 Why would there be? :/
[20:07:32] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) File link-feature should not allow external links - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34541  +comment (10Derk-Jan Hartman)
[20:08:54] <Amgine>	 Reedy: because bots can much more efficiently cycle through to find solveable captchas via the api.
[20:09:27] <Reedy>	 The API doesn't have a way to create accounts
[20:09:29] <DerJoerg>	 Krenair: Your tip works like a charm. Thank you! :-)
[20:09:33] <Reedy>	 unless you login with a global account etc
[20:09:42] <Krenair>	 DerJoerg, you're welcome :)
[20:10:15] <Amgine>	 Reedy: API Login: Errors: "# CreateBlocked
[20:10:15] <Amgine>	     * The wiki tried to automatically create a new account for you, but your IP address has been blocked from account creation"
[20:10:18] <Dantman>	 Amgine: Last I checked, most of the malicious bots screenscrape
[20:10:34] <Iniquity>	 hello world!
[20:10:41] <DerJoerg>	 Dantman: Thanks for the hint. Getting the namespace from inside the skin (also) works with $this->getSkin()->getTitle()->getNsText();
[20:10:43] <Krenair>	 hello Iniquity !
[20:11:04] <Krenair>	 DerJoerg, use Dantman's way
[20:11:26] <Reedy>	 Why are you calling $this->getSkin() when you're in a skin already? :/
[20:11:45] <Dantman>	 If he's a template then that's right
[20:11:54] <pubsez>	 for internationalized wikis, I realize that both the localized and english versions of default namespaces work, is that by intention? 
[20:11:54] <Reedy>	 Indeed
[20:12:06] <Reedy>	 But saying you're in a skin and calling $this->getSkin() ;)
[20:12:13] <Dantman>	 Amgine: Disabling api creations is like DRM, it doesn't do anything to the actual malicious people, and it only gets in the way of the legitimate users.
[20:12:14] <pubsez>	 does mediawiki automatically fall back to English if it can not find a corresponding one in the localized version?
[20:12:27] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) SSL RSA keys should be at least 2048 bits - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/27909  +comment (10Antoine "hashar" Musso)
[20:12:44] <Iniquity>	 Can u help me? I have iss (windows server 08) and i have problem with mediawiki? I cant work normal because of unicode... What can I do?
[20:13:08] <DerJoerg>	 Krenair: Yepp, I read the code and Dantman is right. I hadn't known that. I guess something like that is not really documented somewhere, right? You just have to read the code, right?
[20:13:22] <Dantman>	 !bug 1
[20:13:22] <mw-bot>	 https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1
[20:13:23] <Amgine>	 Dantman: we've been getting about 2x bot-accounts per hour on one site; I disabled api entirely a couple hours ago - and zero bot accounts. 
[20:13:33] <Amgine>	 (so far)
[20:13:36] <Nikerabbit>	 pubsez: there isn't always English version
[20:14:10] <Krenair>	 DerJoerg, I just read the code...
[20:14:10] <pubsez>	 Nikerabbit: for extra namespaces, but for others that seems to be the case
[20:14:16] <Nikerabbit>	 pubsez: true
[20:15:24] <DerJoerg>	 Reedy: My code is in a class like "class VectorTemplate {...}".
[20:15:51] <DerJoerg>	 Krenair: The code is the documentation. It's just true. :-)
[20:15:51] <MaxSem>	 Iniquity, can you elaborate?
[20:15:52] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) no choice for PD-old-70 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34531   +i18n; +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[20:16:02] <Reedy>	 MaxSem: iis sucks
[20:16:36] * MaxSem  doesn't reacll himself denying this

[20:16:44] <Reedy>	 I was elabourating
[20:16:49] <MaxSem>	 s/reacll/recall/
[20:17:45] * Dantman  wonders if he's ready to commit his cryptorandom generator

[20:17:57] <Iniquity>	  i always have proplem with uploading files with russian names, also i have proplems with stable working.
[20:18:05] <Iniquity>	 MaxSem
[20:18:10] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) (un)watch button broken - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34469  +comment (10sam)
[20:18:30] <MaxSem>	 Iniquity, known problem (not with IIS, but with PHP)
[20:18:46] <MaxSem>	 the solution is to use Linux
[20:18:54] <MaxSem>	 sorry if I sound like a troll
[20:18:59] <Reedy>	 :D
[20:19:00] <Iniquity>	 MaxSem, ))))
[20:19:14] <Krenair>	 MaxSem, don't you mean Apache?
[20:19:21] <MaxSem>	 no
[20:19:21] <Dantman>	 Oh right, two methods needed
[20:19:28] <Iniquity>	 MaxSem, but, are u have another way?
[20:19:41] <MaxSem>	 it's about FS APIs
[20:19:46] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) CSS rule causes blue background for chrome users - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34551  +comment (10Derk-Jan Hartman)
[20:20:15] <DerJoerg>	 Krenair, Dantman, Reedy: Thanks for your hints! This channel always again is really helpful.
[20:20:29] <gwicke>	 I just created a list of non-{html,wiki} endtags in the English wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:GWicke/Martian_endtags
[20:20:33] <MaxSem>	 stupid PHP doesn't know that Windows' 8-bit functions don't accept UTF-8
[20:20:47] <DerJoerg>	 See you!
[20:20:53] <Krenair>	 MaxSem, did you see https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=32492#c6 ?
[20:21:05] <gwicke>	 there are only about 70 preceded by comments, and none where the comment is not closed
[20:21:20] <gwicke>	 so it appears to be quite safe to tokenize without knowledge of extensions
[20:21:44] <Iniquity>	 MaxSem, Can i do smth?
[20:21:45] <MaxSem>	 yup
[20:22:00] <MaxSem>	 *that yup was directed to Krenair
[20:22:06] <Iniquity>	 MaxSem, for normal work?
[20:22:25] <wikibugs>	 14(WFM) Unwanted automatic transliteration into Arabic letters - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/18633  +comment (10Amir E. Aharoni)
[20:22:51] <MaxSem>	 Iniquity, no. you can just avoid uploading files with non-ASCII names
[20:23:03] <Iniquity>	 it is pity(
[20:25:02] <Nikerabbit>	 hi there
[20:25:55] <MaxSem>	 hi Nikerabbit
[20:28:14] <Krenair>	 I need a bit of help with a wiki I admin
[20:29:02] <Krenair>	 http://discoverygc.com/wiki/api.php?action=query&list=allimages&aidir=descending try going to the File: pages for those two images at the top
[20:29:32] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) File link-feature should not allow external links - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34541  +comment (10steefy389)
[20:31:12] <Dantman>	 Hmmm...
[20:31:43] <Dantman>	 Building a cryptographic random number generator for MediaWiki. Added in the hex method.
[20:32:14] <Dantman>	 Should I also try adding in another base, something that'll use more than just [0-9A-F] that we're capable of using.
[20:35:56] <Iniquity>	 MaxSem, thanks for help)
[20:38:28] <Krenair>	 mediawiki.org admins: spam https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:FanoboNafexu
[20:39:16] <Reedy>	 Krenair: do you want admin rights on mw.org?
[20:39:44] <Krenair>	 Reedy, I'm a bit of a new user for that aren't I?
[20:39:59] <Reedy>	 We don't have the paperwork that enwiki etc do
[20:40:18] <Reedy>	 You're reasonably active in here, so it shouldn't really be an issue
[20:40:25] <Krenair>	 Oh, ok. :)
[20:41:06] <Reedy>	 Done
[20:50:47] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Mailing List for Wikimedia Turkey with no active administration - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31468  +comment (10to.aru.shiroi.neko)
[20:51:24] <varnent>	 MaxSem: ping
[20:51:33] <MaxSem>	 pong
[20:51:44] <varnent>	 <lowers table from the ceiling>
[20:51:53] * varnent  installed it last week

[20:52:02] <varnent>	 I like your idea of a namespace for Tools
[20:52:18] <varnent>	 wondering what your thoughts are on adding one for Books
[20:52:38] <Subfader>	 where is the pagenation on SpecialSearch created? I added a new input and need to pass the value :/
[20:52:47] <MaxSem>	 I've never used books so no idea
[20:53:02] <varnent>	  Wikinaut has been developing a MediaWiki Virtual Library
[20:53:39] <varnent>	 so books are relatively new to MW.org - but there are now four and already more in the works - for now we're housing them in Manual: - but pondering if mimicking enWP's Books: namespace might be appropriate
[20:53:57] <varnent>	 since we may be altering the files for Tools - figured I'd bring it up  :)
[20:53:57] * MaxSem  remarks that all docs are ridiculously outdated

[20:54:44] * varnent  hoping that will not always be the case  :)

[20:56:09] <varnent>	 it's getting better already
[20:56:47] <foxlit>	 Suppose I wanted to add skin-specific styling to diffs displayed by MediaWiki. MW's diff CSS is split into a separate resourceloader module which is loaded after skin css, so if I were to insert skin-specific diff CSS into skin's main css file, I'd need to mark everything !important (which smells). Can I work around it more elegantly?
[20:57:09] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) getting "srsearch-text-disabled"-errors randomly on api search in german Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34553 normal; Wikimedia: lucene-search-2; (philipp-boehm)
[20:57:40] <Krinkle>	 foxlit: Yes, by not using !important and instead using specificity
[20:57:57] <Krinkle>	 diff.css: .diff-foo-bar { color: red; }
[20:58:17] <Krinkle>	 your-skin.css: .skin-yourskin .diff-foo-bar { color: inherit; }
[20:58:43] <Krinkle>	 all pages have skin-* classes
[20:58:46] <foxlit>	 Krinkle: that would work.
[20:58:56] <hexmode>	 !branchpoint
[20:58:56] <mw-bot>	 I don't know anything about "branchpoint". You might try: !branchpoints 
[20:58:58] <hexmode>	 !branchpoints
[20:58:58] <mw-bot>	 http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Branch_points
[20:59:06] <foxlit>	 I was fishing for something more along the lines of injecting skinStyles into existing modules, but perhaps I don't need to.
[21:00:07] <Krinkle>	 Danny_B|backup: Ah, the wikitable styling you changed is now showing it's first effects
[21:00:19] <Krinkle>	 it overwrote mediawiki.org's  blue styling
[21:00:36] <cousteau>	 is there any way to get a list of all outgoing links on a wiki?
[21:00:42] <Subfader>	 $opt[''] alright :)
[21:01:41] <Krinkle>	 cousteau: Yes. How do you need it?
[21:01:46] <cousteau>	 (I'm colaborating on a wiki that seems to have some spam links hidden as normal links, so it's hard to tell...  would be easier if I had a list of links)
[21:01:52] * Reedy  just started the bump of our php requirement to 5.3.0 discussion

[21:02:27] <Krinkle>	 Reedy: you just did by saying that or is it somewhere else?
[21:02:37] <cousteau>	 Krinkle, well, I'm not an admin of that wiki (I could contact the admin), so if there's a search option available it would be nice
[21:02:41] <Reedy>	 Krinkle: just sent email to mediawiki-l/wikitech-l
[21:02:46] <Krinkle>	 cousteau: There is an API
[21:02:59] <Krinkle>	 json/xml output, it has the ability to find external links on a given page
[21:03:04] <Krinkle>	 extract rather
[21:03:15] <cousteau>	 hmm, do I need to be admin, or anyone can do that?
[21:03:52] <Krinkle>	 https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&titles=Main%20Page&prop=extlinks&ellimit=500&format=jsonfm
[21:03:54] <Krinkle>	 anyone
[21:03:56] <cousteau>	 or it's not installed by default?
[21:04:00] <cousteau>	 let me see
[21:04:01] <Krinkle>	 by defult
[21:04:30] <Krinkle>	 If you know the hostname, you can also use: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:LinkSearch
[21:05:13] <cousteau>	 that's pretty cool!
[21:05:24] <cousteau>	 (Special:LinkSearch appears blank, though)
[21:05:31] <Krinkle>	 well, you need to enter something
[21:05:44] <Krinkle>	 it's a search, not a list-all
[21:06:01] <wikibugs>	 14(DUP) patrol log credit the user patrolled, not the user patrolling - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34495  +comment (10Nemo_bis)
[21:06:01] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) [Regression] IRC string output for log messages no longer compatible - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34508  +comment (10Nemo_bis)
[21:06:08] <Krinkle>	 e.g. get a list of links on any article to *.wikipedia.org/*
[21:06:44] <Krinkle>	 http://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALinkSearch&target=*.wikipedia.org
[21:06:58] <cousteau>	 Krinkle, no, I mean, that page looks ok on mediawiki but blank on this wiki
[21:07:05] <Krinkle>	 right
[21:07:07] <Krinkle>	 link?
[21:07:10] <cousteau>	 found the api.php, though
[21:07:42] <cousteau>	 http://doc.ubuntu-es.org/Especial:B%C3%BAsquedaDeEnlaces - it even translated it to the set locale
[21:07:47] <cousteau>	 but is blank
[21:08:15] <cousteau>	 actually, it throws a 500 Internal Server Error
[21:08:39] <cousteau>	 I'll try the other link, the one with api.php
[21:13:40] <wikibugs>	 04(REOPENED) patrol log credit the user patrolled, not the user patrolling - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34495  +comment (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[21:14:09] <Subfader>	 $title->exists() doesn't understand category names?
[21:16:07] <Dantman>	 Now either my Opera newsgroup reader is screwed up, or gmane is screwed up...
[21:16:16] <Dantman>	 Either way, buhbye wikitech-;
[21:18:32] <Subfader>	 ok I only have the title without NS prefix. How can I tell exists() that it must check the category ns pages?
[21:18:59] <Dantman>	 Construct a title with that namespace?
[21:19:44] <Dantman>	 Title::makeTitle( $otherTitle->getDBKey(), NS_CATEGORY );
[21:19:56] <Dantman>	 Sorry wrong
[21:20:04] <Dantman>	 Title::makeTitle( NS_CATEGORY, $otherTitle->getDBKey() );
[21:20:17] <^demon>	 Can also specify a ns on newFromText()
[21:20:34] <Dantman>	 And if you don't know the validity use makeTitleSafe
[21:21:15] <hexmode>	 hashar: around?
[21:21:16] <codurr>	 New code comment: GWicke; Sorting the attributes adds some more round-trip normalization, which again makes it harder to avoid; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111844#c31270>
[21:21:23] <hashar>	 hexmode: sure
[21:21:30] <hashar>	 hexmode: we don't have presidents here in france :-)
[21:21:47] <hexmode>	 hashar: but it is later, isn't it?
[21:21:50] <cousteau>	 how do I use api.php's pageids=?  comma-separated?
[21:22:01] * hexmode  doesn'y know how timezones work

[21:22:07] <Reedy>	 cousteau: |
[21:22:07] <hexmode>	 also, can't type
[21:22:17] <Reedy>	 hashar: I thought you had a president?
[21:22:18] <hashar>	 hexmode: I found a good way to handle timezone. I just ask people what time it is
[21:22:32] <Reedy>	 google: current time in foobarland
[21:22:38] <cousteau>	 hexmode, easy.  Earth is round, so if you're from Europe and are talking with people from America, they'll think you wake up early
[21:22:49] <hashar>	 Reedy: that is the official title. Actually we are more like some kind of oligarchy / meritocracy
[21:22:50] <hexmode>	 hashar: I want some help testing the fix for IRC logging
[21:22:58] <cousteau>	 Reedy, maybe duckduckgo gives an immediate result...
[21:23:00] <hexmode>	 hashar: but I'm scared of UDP
[21:23:05] <cousteau>	 ...or wolfram|alpha
[21:23:21] <Joan>	 W|A becomes less impressive the more you play with it.
[21:23:30] <gwicke>	 hashar: meritocracy? I wish we had something like that in Germany ;)
[21:23:35] <cousteau>	 Joan, so true
[21:23:55] * hexmode  google's "current time in hasharland" ... 2billion results

[21:24:11] <Reedy>	 hexmode: THAT'S OVER 9000!?
[21:24:24] <Subfader>	 Thanks Dantman! 
[21:24:25] <Joan>	 They have a nice API key system.
[21:24:28] <Joan>	 So it's easy to play with it.
[21:24:35] <Joan>	 But the API is still a bit... stupid.
[21:24:48] <Joan>	 Not nearly as smart as Google, that's for sure.
[21:24:58] <cousteau>	 heh, "current time in..." seems to work in DDG.  Guess what it uses :)
[21:25:03] <Dantman>	 Hmmm... now who should I have review security related code?
[21:25:03] <hexmode>	 Reedy: evidently google thinks "hans harland" is the same as "hasharland"
[21:25:07] <hashar>	 gwicke: well you have a small chance of being part of a high school that might get you to reach the rights college that might then get you part of the oligarchy :D
[21:25:10] <Solitarius>	 hexmode: Google said "2:24am Tuesday (UZT) - Time in Samarkand, Uzbekistan" (I might have mispelled hasharland, maybe, but google corrected me)
[21:25:27] <Reedy>	 Dantman: enwiki
[21:25:29] <Reedy>	 They know best
[21:25:34] <Dantman>	 heh
[21:25:43] <cousteau>	 Joan, "stupid" as in "population in Tanzania in 1986?  Do you mean... 'population'?"?
[21:25:54] <Joan>	 Haha
[21:26:02] <codurr>	 New code comment: ^demon; If nothing's using this yet, can it please wait a couple of weeks until after the git migration?; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111964#c31271>
[21:26:03] <Joan>	 Yeah, it has a tendency to just remove or ignore search terms.
[21:26:10] <gwicke>	 hashar: ;D
[21:26:11] <cousteau>	 yes, it gets messed up if you try to input more than 2 terms
[21:26:20] <Joan>	 I didn't really get that. Why not just provide a damn Google search link.
[21:26:22] <cousteau>	 Joan, however Google seems to do the same
[21:26:47] <Joan>	 If you put "date of academy awards" into Google, it has a hatnote giving you the info.
[21:26:55] <gwicke>	 you can prefix each word with a '+'
[21:26:57] <Joan>	 That's the kind of thing you'd think W|A would have down.
[21:27:05] <gwicke>	 but that still does not help for stopwords
[21:27:11] <cousteau>	 search for specific technical word, google assumes what you really meant was a pretty common word that is spelled substantially different
[21:27:34] <cousteau>	 gwicke, on google?  no you can't, it uses "..." now
[21:28:03] <cousteau>	 I wish Google had a "No you moron, I didn't mean that" button
[21:28:17] <gwicke>	 cousteau: so they removed the '+' emphasis functionality?
[21:28:19] <Dantman>	 ^demon: Wait, as in wait to start using it, or?
[21:28:33] <cousteau>	 gwicke, actually they replaced it with "..."
[21:28:46] <gwicke>	 hrm..
[21:28:55] <cousteau>	 so now "..." has a double functionality:  group words and emphasize/not-correct
[21:29:10] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) ext.vector.collapsibleNav does not initialise correctly with $wgResourceLoaderExperimentalAsyncLoading - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34538  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[21:29:16] <cousteau>	 so you can't not-correct words within "..."  :(
[21:32:37] <gwicke>	 their documentation is so good, id does not list either of '+', '...' ;)
[21:33:28] <cousteau>	 gwicke, it did...
[21:34:24] <^demon>	 Dantman: Wait as in take it out.
[21:34:51] <cousteau>	 gwicke, apparently + still works
[21:35:02] <Dantman>	 ^demon: Is there any advantage to doing that?
[21:35:25] <gwicke>	 cousteau: both work for me, but only if I add the prefix after first seaching without
[21:35:45] <gwicke>	 damn typos
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[21:36:07] <bluebeard>	 ... too were absurdly huge, one of his balls exceeding in size my entire genitals.
[21:36:10] <bluebeard>	 Her eyes grew wide in utter disbelief, and frankly so did mine. Janice simply smiled at us, knowing full well how huge the young man's organ would grow with that kind of manipulation. My wife began to rub the head of his cock all over her face, nuzzling it, then kissing it. She began to lick the underside of his massive cock-head, then swirled her tongue around it, taking care to cover every millimeter it, which by now was nearly the size of her ...
[21:36:17] <bluebeard>	 ... little fist. She began to slurp and suck on the end of it, trying to get as much of the head in her mouth as she could. She jacked him furiously as she rubbed the huge saliva coated member over her cheeks and chin. Pre-cum was oozing out of it and coating her lips. She licked and sucked and slobbered on him like a wild animal in heat. 
[21:36:19] <Dantman>	 Reedy:
[21:36:21] <bluebeard>	 After frigging herself for perhaps a minute my wife was about to bring herself over the edge when Ed began to moan slightly. With this, my wife slid her hand up Ed’s shaft toward the base of his cock and then stopped playing with herself and brought her right hand up to Ed’s cock, grabbing it just above where her left hand held the base of his organ. This two handed grip afforded my wife a measure of control over Ed’s pulsing python and she ...
[21:36:22] * gwicke  ducks

[21:36:27] <bluebeard>	 ... pulled the cock from her mouth and resumed rubbing the saliva slathered cockhead over her face. She then popped the head back in her mouth and began again to suck it. She repeated this three or four times, popping the giant glands in and out of her mouth, rubbing it over her cheeks and lips and chin, and Ed responded with more pronounced moans of pleasure. My wife had just pulled Ed’s hugeness from her mouth when the enormous pole of turgid ...
[21:36:33] <bluebeard>	 ... erection literally jerked and emitted an extraordinary jet of creamy white semen that struck my wife’s cheek with such force that it actually splashed and spread over the left side of my wife’s face. A second jet similarly erupted, again striking my wife’s cheek and radiating so that some the liquid splashed into my wife’s left eye. My wife was startled by the eruption and doubly startled when she was struck in the left eye. She seemed ...
[21:36:39] <bluebeard>	 ... temporarily disoriented and turned her head away from the obscenely jerking meat for a moment as she blinked her eyes. But she quickly recovered and attempted to bring the exploding cockhead back into her mouth. Her hands were still positioned at the base of the cock, however, and her control over the violently jerking six inches of cock meat that extended beyond her hands was imperfect and the cock jumped again before she could fit her mouth ...
[21:37:44] <^demon>	 Dantman: If it's in SVN, it should be reviewed before we migrate.
[21:37:56] <^demon>	 I don't want to hold up review for something we're not even using yet. Slush.
[21:38:38] <Dantman>	 Ok,
[21:39:11] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Search engine is unstable, producing false "not found" result - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34518  +comment (10rainman)
[21:40:14] * ialex  stabs hexmode with r	111967

[21:40:39] <ialex>	 :P
[21:41:05] <cousteau>	 hmm, google seems to have a "verbatim mode"...  wonder how to set it as default
[21:41:50] <hexmode>	 ialex: :(
[21:41:56] <hexmode>	 Ima cry now
[21:42:32] <codurr>	 New code comment: RobLa-WMF; Hi Dantman, I asked people to have a reviewer lined up before committing new stuff: \ http://thread.gm; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111891#c31272>
[21:43:21] <hexmode>	 ialex: but seriously, thank you for your fix
[21:44:01] <codurr>	 New code comment: Hashar; Merci 8-); <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111967#c31273>
[21:44:25] <hashar>	 so lets merge those in 1.19wmf1
[21:44:57] <Reedy>	 hexmode: Blame Chad for the php -l pre commit hook not working ;)
[21:45:24] <hashar>	 he is going to blame me for not having gerrit submitting a job request to jenkins to lint the commit
[21:45:37] <hashar>	 :D
[21:45:48] <hashar>	 what was wrong with the pre commit hook?
[21:46:29] <Reedy>	 it just stopped owrking at somepoint
[21:46:33] * hexmode  takes the blame for not linting his own code

[21:46:46] * hexmode  turns on flymake again

[21:47:41] <Nikerabbit>	 phun
[21:47:42] <hashar>	 yeah two commits, two conflicts
[21:48:57] <Reedy>	 I need to update my branch point whiteboard
[21:49:40] <hashar>	 hexmode: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111969
[21:49:53] <Nikerabbit>	 how many developers does it take to fix 1.19 blocker bug? :)
[21:50:09] <hashar>	 roughly 3 human hours per bug
[21:50:12] <hashar>	 on average
[21:50:32] <hashar>	 the more human you throw at a task, the longer it takes though :-D
[21:50:32] <Nikerabbit>	 I count at least five for this one already
[21:50:56] <hashar>	 cause you have some overhead with the accountant, legal team, HR, management, project manager … :-)
[21:50:56] <bluebeard>	 It was at this point that I first noticed Ed’s testicles. I’d barely adverted to them before, as they seemed to tuck quite neatly behind his amazing penis. Now they were dangling obscenely over my wife, his scrotum hanging perhaps six inches from the base of his cock, cradling two balls that seemed at first unremarkable because of their proportionality to his huge pole. I then realized that their proportionality to a giant cock meant that they ...
[21:51:01] <hexmode>	 hashar: tyvm
[21:51:02] <bluebeard>	 ... too were absurdly huge, one of his balls exceeding in size my entire genitals.
[21:51:05] <bluebeard>	 Her eyes grew wide in utter disbelief, and frankly so did mine. Janice simply smiled at us, knowing full well how huge the young man's organ would grow with that kind of manipulation. My wife began to rub the head of his cock all over her face, nuzzling it, then kissing it. She began to lick the underside of his massive cock-head, then swirled her tongue around it, taking care to cover every millimeter it, which by now was nearly the size of her ...
[21:51:11] <hexmode>	 Reedy: !!
[21:51:11] <bluebeard>	 ... little fist. She began to slurp and suck on the end of it, trying to get as much of the head in her mouth as she could. She jacked him furiously as she rubbed the huge saliva coated member over her cheeks and chin. Pre-cum was oozing out of it and coating her lips. She licked and sucked and slobbered on him like a wild animal in heat. 
[21:51:15] <hexmode>	 halp!
[21:51:16] <bluebeard>	 After frigging herself for perhaps a minute my wife was about to bring herself over the edge when Ed began to moan slightly. With this, my wife slid her hand up Ed’s shaft toward the base of his cock and then stopped playing with herself and brought her right hand up to Ed’s cock, grabbing it just above where her left hand held the base of his organ. This two handed grip afforded my wife a measure of control over Ed’s pulsing python and she ...
[21:51:20] <hashar>	 just ignore :)
[21:51:22] <bluebeard>	 ... pulled the cock from her mouth and resumed rubbing the saliva slathered cockhead over her face. She then popped the head back in her mouth and began again to suck it. She repeated this three or four times, popping the giant glands in and out of her mouth, rubbing it over her cheeks and lips and chin, and Ed responded with more pronounced moans of pleasure. My wife had just pulled Ed’s hugeness from her mouth when the enormous pole of turgid ...
[21:51:28] <bluebeard>	 ... erection literally jerked and emitted an extraordinary jet of creamy white semen that struck my wife’s cheek with such force that it actually splashed and spread over the left side of my wife’s face. A second jet similarly erupted, again striking my wife’s cheek and radiating so that some the liquid splashed into my wife’s left eye. My wife was startled by the eruption and doubly startled when she was struck in the left eye. She seemed ...
[21:51:34] <bluebeard>	 ... temporarily disoriented and turned her head away from the obscenely jerking meat for a moment as she blinked her eyes. But she quickly recovered and attempted to bring the exploding cockhead back into her mouth. Her hands were still positioned at the base of the cock, however, and her control over the violently jerking six inches of cock meat that extended beyond her hands was imperfect and the cock jumped again before she could fit her mouth ...
[21:51:40] <bluebeard>	 ... around it, rocketing a stream of cum against my wife’s upper lip and nose. My wife instinctively slid her hands up his shaft towards the head so that she could better control the throbbing slab of flesh and bring the cockhead back toward her mouth. But she didn’t put it in her mouth – she slightly lifted the cockhead and placed it over her open mouth so that his spitting cock slit was positioned an inch above the entry to her mouth. The ...
[21:51:46] <bluebeard>	 ... next jet of cum disappeared into her mouth, followed by another and another. I counted six huge streams of juice fire into her mouth followed by two lesser ejaculations. I was certain that four spurts had struck my wife’s face before she began taking Ed’s cream into her mouth, and accordingly I watched in growing amazement as the number of Ed’s blasts seemed to number nine, ten, eleven and then twelve. 
[21:51:52] <bluebeard>	 The ejaculations then ceased, and the spent organ dangled above my stunned wife’s face. The first four gigantic spurts had been sufficient to coat my wife’s entire face, with cum even getting into her hair, each ejaculation seemingly containing more semen that I could produce with one entire orgasm. I then saw my wife’s throat muscles contract and swallow, and I realized that she had pooled the astounding volume of ejaculate in her mouth until ...
[21:51:58] <hexmode>	 fine... I was doing so well without ignore
[21:51:58] <bluebeard>	 ... Ed’s erupting meat had finished. I won’t say that my wife had never swallowed my cum, but in ten years of marriage she had swallowed perhaps a half-dozen times, very tentatively, each time appearing to permit more cum to escape her mouth than she swallowed. 
[21:52:02] <bluebeard>	 I broke out of my reverie for a moment and looked over at Janice. Her face bore the same stunned look that mine no doubt possessed. The sight of such enormous genitals exploding so violently into my delicate wife’s face had literally taken her breath away, and she inhaled sharply as looked over at her. She then looked at me, and I realized that I’d been stroking myself, producing an orgasm considerably less pyrotechnic than Ed’s. 
[21:52:09] <hashar>	 OHHH
[21:52:12] <hashar>	 K-Lined !!!
[21:52:47] <hashar>	 we have some IRC op floating around :-)
[21:53:21] <hashar>	 hexmode: I have updated fenari
[21:54:01] <codurr>	 New code comment: Reedy; No idea. Looks like someone (maybe me) has dealt with it in a subsequent commit; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111465#c31274>
[21:54:11] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) (un)watch button broken - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34469  +comment (10Rob Lanphier)
[21:54:31] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) patrol log credit the user patrolled, not the user patrolling - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34495  +comment (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[21:55:31] <codurr>	 New code comment: ^demon; Every time you use an emdash, it gets botched in my e-mail: <tt>?\226?\128?\148</tt>; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111969#c31275>
[21:56:47] <codurr>	 New code comment: Hashar; Sorry about your mail client :-( I have copy pasted that message from Hexmode commit message in r11; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111969#c31276>
[21:57:23] <hexmode>	 Chad needs to fix his email client
[21:58:10] <Nikerabbit>	 hexmode: I think it's the mailman that mangles it
[21:58:13] <hashar>	 hexmode: I lack some rights on testwiki :(
[21:58:18] <hashar>	 can't test patrolling
[21:58:41] <hexmode>	 hashar: I can test, but let me give you rights
[21:58:43] <hexmode>	 I think
[21:58:44] <Nikerabbit>	 there is literal ?\226?\128?\148 in the mail source
[21:58:50] <Reedy>	 hashar: try now
[21:58:54] <hashar>	 danke
[21:59:11] <hexmode>	 Nikerabbit: also mailman sucks
[21:59:11] <Reedy>	 bitte
[21:59:17] <hexmode>	 :)
[21:59:45] <wikibugs>	 14(INVALID) ext.vector.collapsibleNav does not initialise correctly with $wgResourceLoaderExperimentalAsyncLoading - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34538  +comment (10Tim Starling)
[22:00:05] <hashar>	 no I have to figure out what patrolling is
[22:00:09] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) ext.vector.collapsibleNav does not initialise correctly with $wgResourceLoaderExperimentalAsyncLoading - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34538  (10Krinkle)
[22:02:08] <hexmode>	 hashar: let's figure it out together! the other bug I'm looking at has to do with it, too
[22:02:51] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) ext.vector.collapsibleNav does not initialise correctly with $wgResourceLoaderExperimentalAsyncLoading - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34538  (10Krinkle)
[22:02:52] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Probable Javascript loading issues (navigation and tabbing issues, multiple browsers) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34450  (10Krinkle)
[22:04:07] <hashar>	 $wgUseRCPatrol = false;
[22:08:23] <hexmode>	 hashar: quick q: why have you not merged & pushed https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111796 ??
[22:08:31] <TimStarling>	 RoanKattouw: I'm thinking that the debug parameter to RL should be a list or associative array rather than boolean
[22:08:53] <hashar>	 hexmode: cause I am not sure what it does 
[22:08:55] <TimStarling>	 there are lots of debug features that I'd like to have and to be able to turn on and off from the query string
[22:09:37] <hashar>	 hexmode: here is the result:  <rc-pmtpa>[[Special:Log/patrol]] patrol * Hashar *  Hashar marked revision 125809 of page [[Talk:Main Page]] patrolled
[22:10:56] <hexmode>	 hashar: where do I need to go to see that? is it a freenode channel?
[22:11:05] <hashar>	 hexmode: hooo sorry
[22:11:05] <Reedy>	 irc.wikimedia.org
[22:11:17] <Reedy>	 #test.wikipedia or something
[22:11:24] <hashar>	 hexmode: you have to join our irc server since the RC changes are too spammy for freenode
[22:11:34] <hashar>	 then what reedy said :)
[22:11:42] <hexmode>	 tyvm
[22:11:58] <TimStarling>	 actually freenode pretty much begged us to keep that service here
[22:12:17] <TimStarling>	 we mostly moved it to simplify management
[22:12:22] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) [SF] Special:RunQuery enhancement to be able to populate red-links automatically - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34150  +comment (10yaron57)
[22:13:25] <wikibugs>	 03(VERIFIED) patrol log credit the user patrolled, not the user patrolling - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34495  +comment (10Antoine "hashar" Musso)
[22:14:10] <TimStarling>	 Rob Levin gave me a /oper password for an account with no flood control, basically without me asking for it
[22:14:25] <TimStarling>	 I just said that flood control was one of the reasons we wanted to move
[22:14:35] <Joan>	 TimStarling: What else do you want to be able to debug besides minification?
[22:14:49] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) patrol log credit the user patrolled, not the user patrolling - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34495  +comment (10hashar)
[22:14:53] <hashar>	 hexmode: I have applied your change to live site :-D
[22:15:05] <hexmode>	 :)
[22:15:09] <Joan>	 I thought most of the other RL options were split out into their own URL parameters.
[22:15:24] <TimStarling>	 well, if we can switch minification on and off, then we can do other optional transformations to the JS as well
[22:15:27] <hashar>	 hexmode: testwiki is really useful to verify those little changes
[22:15:55] <Joan>	 ?debug=true/false currently just undoes the minification, right? Or does it have other features?
[22:16:17] <TimStarling>	 it changes the output completely
[22:16:24] <Joan>	 Hoenstly, the part about debugging that most annoys me is &amp; --> & in URLs.
[22:16:26] <TimStarling>	 new bugs appear, other bugs disappear
[22:16:30] <TimStarling>	 it's not the same system
[22:17:08] <TimStarling>	 so for a start I would want to make it so that you can have output which is basically the same as the production output, except without minification
[22:17:24] <Joan>	 I think people argued that that wouldn't happen when this was being discussed before being implemented..
[22:17:47] <hashar>	 hexmode: channels on irc.wikimedia.org are moderated so only bots can speak :D
[22:17:59] <Joan>	 I thought that was the purpose of the debug parameter.
[22:18:16] <TimStarling>	 also I've complained previously that it's difficult to inspect objects with private variables using a shell like firebug
[22:18:32] <TimStarling>	 I found that if you have a function inside the object's lexical scope that does this:
[22:18:42] <TimStarling>	 function eval(s) { return eval(s); }
[22:18:49] <TimStarling>	 then you can access any private variable like this:
[22:18:56] <hexmode>	 hashar: gotcha
[22:18:59] <TimStarling>	 obj.eval('varname')
[22:19:11] * RoanKattouw  gets back from grabbing lunch

[22:19:15] <RoanKattouw>	 Yeah, that sounds useful
[22:19:20] <hexmode>	 hashar: want to help with https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=34503 ??
[22:19:26] <Dantman>	 Just don't enable ES5-strict
[22:19:45] <hexmode>	 I dunno anything about autopatrol testing
[22:19:51] <TimStarling>	 but maybe some people don't want to break the privacy model or are afraid of this feature being used in production
[22:20:04] <hashar>	 hexmode: heading bed for now. Been awake since 6:45am and it is 11pm :-)
[22:20:16] <hexmode>	 hashar: night! :)
[22:20:22] <TimStarling>	 so my idea is to have a comment /*MW_DEBUG_CLASS*/ that injects such debug functions  only in a certain debug mode
[22:20:26] <hexmode>	 tyvm
[22:20:35] <RoanKattouw>	 hmm
[22:20:51] <hashar>	 hexmode: i will again have a look at 1.19wmf deployement bugs tomorrow
[22:20:56] <RoanKattouw>	 You could also inspect private vars by setting a breakpoint in an arbitrary method of the object, then call that method from the console
[22:21:09] <hashar>	 hexmode: feel free to ping me during the morning (your time)
[22:21:28] <hexmode>	 hashar: I'm pretty sure I will, thanks!
[22:21:30] <hashar>	 hello Tim :-)  Sorry could not talk with you again :-D   
[22:21:33] <hashar>	 have a good night everyone
[22:21:47] * RoanKattouw  wonders if all of these people realize that today is a US holiday )

[22:21:49] <RoanKattouw>	 * :)
[22:22:03] <hashar>	 I only observe french holidays days :D
[22:22:33] <hashar>	 and which are lost whenever they happen on a sunday!
[22:22:34] <TimStarling>	 another debug feature I would like to have, inspired by bug 34538, is the ability to execute all the modules at the end of the <head>
[22:22:37] <RoanKattouw>	 I was mostly looking at hexmode I guess
[22:22:57] <RoanKattouw>	 You mean load everything early and defer nothing?
[22:23:07] <hexmode>	 RoanKattouw: :) I do know that
[22:23:10] <hashar>	 he is being Europanized  :-)
[22:23:18] <TimStarling>	 something like that
[22:23:42] <RoanKattouw>	 That wouldn't be too hard to do
[22:23:58] <RoanKattouw>	 Just set a flag in the loader that makes it ignore the async parameter and do everything synchronously
[22:24:20] <RoanKattouw>	 (assuming $wgResourceLoaderExperimentalAsyncLoading is gonna default to true then go away)
[22:24:45] <TimStarling>	 and another debug feature I'd like to have is an option to generate vastly more debug output on the console
[22:25:10] <TimStarling>	 like, similar to the amount that MediaWiki generates to its debug log
[22:25:36] <Joan>	 The browser console?
[22:25:41] <TimStarling>	 yeah, console.log
[22:25:53] <TimStarling>	 or wherever, you could abstract it out
[22:26:11] <Samus_Aran>	 when editing a MediaWiki skin, how can I add an item to the <head> area?  I currently have $this->data['headelement']; being inserted
[22:26:24] <Samus_Aran>	 trying to put some Google Web Fonts into the head
[22:26:30] <TimStarling>	 maybe we could have a sampled remote logging feature
[22:26:38] <TimStarling>	 it could post all the log messages back to a server :)
[22:26:56] <Joan>	 Error reporting functionality in MediaWiki?
[22:27:02] <codurr>	 New code comment: Au; Concurred. This is now reverted in r111971 and whitelisted in r111972.; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111844#c31277>
[22:27:29] <Dantman>	 Samus_Aran: You override setupSkinUserCss to make calls for inserting css and override initPage for calls inserting other things
[22:27:58] <TimStarling>	 Joan: well, we have error reporting functionality already, just not on the client side
[22:28:18] <Joan>	 I was thinking of what newer versions of Firefox do.
[22:28:43] <Joan>	 When you open them, there's a drop-down below the URL bar asking about collecting anonymous debug info.
[22:28:47] <TimStarling>	 it wouldn't pop up a dialog box asking you to agree to submit personal information
[22:28:58] <TimStarling>	 because we wouldn't be collecting anything that we didn't know already
[22:29:23] <TimStarling>	 except for things that aren't personal information, like whether JS breaks on some browser or not
[22:31:27] <TimStarling>	 anyway I'm thinking that all these debug options could be combined into an associative array, with a compact format for query strings, like debug=nominify|loglevel=3|nodeferload
[22:31:59] <Samus_Aran>	 Dantman: thank you, found the spot where I had added the other CSS file
[22:32:11] <Samus_Aran>	 hopefully entering the Google URL is enough
[22:41:06] <Spankart>	 hi, i was wondering if someone here has an idea what could be the reason for a minor issue we have in our wiki after upgrading from version 1.16 to 1.18
[22:41:29] <Samus_Aran>	 Spankart: what's the issue?
[22:42:08] <Spankart>	 the page counter doesn't seem to work right -- it seems to count only 5% of the hits we usually get per day
[22:42:27] * JeroenDeDauw  gives Reedy a cookie for pushing for PHP 5.3

[22:43:38] <Spankart>	 it almost looks as if it counts only views from registered users, and not IPs, but I have not really confirmed this hypothesis
[22:44:54] <Samus_Aran>	 Spankart: that would be a major stupidity if it doesn't log properly
[22:45:55] <Samus_Aran>	 Spankart: where are you looking for this information, the stats page?
[22:46:09] <Samus_Aran>	 Special:Statistics I mean
[22:46:48] <Spankart>	 on the bottom of each page where it says "This page has been accessed <number> times
[22:47:19] <Spankart>	 another strange thing is that it shows different counts for the same page when i'm logged in and when i'm logged out
[22:47:49] <Samus_Aran>	 Spankart: that number is affected by caching
[22:48:21] <Samus_Aran>	 Spankart: if your site is only lightly used, you can turn off caching.
[22:48:40] <Samus_Aran>	 otherwise don't rely on that, I am told.
[22:48:44] <TimStarling>	 it's not affected by the parser cache, so disabling that won't help
[22:49:01] <TimStarling>	 it's affected by reverse proxies
[22:49:10] <TimStarling>	 there might be one of those in front of your web server
[22:49:22] <Spankart>	 when I reload the page (even when i'm purging my browser cache e.g. ctrl+f5 in firefox), the counter does not increase
[22:49:25] <Samus_Aran>	 I'm pretty sure it started updating correctly after I disabled the PHP caching
[22:49:35] <Samus_Aran>	 Spankart: server side caching, not client side
[22:49:40] <Spankart>	 i see
[22:49:51] <Samus_Aran>	 Spankart: the cache of pre-generated wiki pages into HTML, I think
[22:50:23] <TimStarling>	 it might be affected by $wgUseFileCache if that's what you mean
[22:50:25] <Samus_Aran>	 I disabled it on my small wikis and didn't notice any slowdowns.  but I don't get millions of hits per day.
[22:50:28] <Spankart>	 how do i turn off that server side PHP caching?
[22:51:08] <Samus_Aran>	 Spankart: I can't remember off-hand, I'll see if I can find the setting.
[22:51:25] <TimStarling>	 RoanKattouw: found another one
[22:52:34] <TimStarling>	 I even did an svn up this time
[22:53:17] <codurr>	 New code comment: RobLa-WMF; Thanks for helping out. Feel free to recommit if you line up a reviewer for this change.; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111973#c31278>
[22:54:06] <Spankart>	 @Samus_Aran: thanks, I'll stay tuned
[22:54:41] <Samus_Aran>	 Spankart: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:FAQ#How_do_I_completely_disable_caching.3F
[22:55:17] <Samus_Aran>	 Spankart: just be aware that MediaWiki will not be running at peak efficiency
[22:55:39] <Samus_Aran>	 but if your CPU load is low, don't worry.  :)
[22:55:54] <p858snake|l>	 Spankart: sounds like it could possibly be
[22:55:58] <p858snake|l>	 !wg HitcounterUpdateFreq | Spankart
[22:55:59] <mw-bot>	 Spankart: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgHitcounterUpdateFreq
[22:56:06] <p858snake|l>	 but you would know if you changed that
[22:57:30] <Spankart>	 @Samus_Aran: thanks, we will try it. I think our tech admin enabled that caching to speed things up -- we did not realize it would result in wrong page counting
[22:58:55] <Spankart>	 @p858snake: thanks, but as I understand it this should not result in completely wrong counts, just in a delay in counting
[22:59:39] <p858snake|l>	 Spankart: it's not actually counting wrong, the correct result is stored in the db, just you are getting a older version of the page displayed to the enduser
[23:01:49] <Spankart>	 but even after a new page is a week old, it still shows a view count that is only 5% of what it would normally be after one or two hours
[23:02:33] <Spankart>	 to me it's plausible that the counter counts only those pages that bypass the cache
[23:02:58] <Spankart>	 which would mean actually wrong counts
[23:03:11] <RoanKattouw>	 TimStarling: Which module?
[23:03:21] <TimStarling>	 old toolbar
[23:04:01] <TimStarling>	 I've got a better debugging patch now, I just set async=false in mw.loader.doRequest()
[23:05:07] <TimStarling>	 mw.toolbar is initialised on module execute to $('#toolbar')
[23:05:10] <TimStarling>	 which is an empty list
[23:07:10] <TimStarling>	 mw.toolbar.$toolbar I should say
[23:07:12] <RoanKattouw>	 Aha
[23:07:29] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Randomly get no/little css in Diff views - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31318  +comment (10p858snake)
[23:08:06] <RoanKattouw>	 wtf
[23:08:10] * RoanKattouw  wonders who wrote that

[23:08:17] <RoanKattouw>	 It sets a document ready handler later
[23:08:23] <RoanKattouw>	 But uses jQuery before
[23:08:54] * RoanKattouw  svn blames

[23:09:01] <TimStarling>	 I've got a patch almost ready if you want to review it
[23:09:11] <RoanKattouw>	 Aha, diebuche
[23:09:15] <RoanKattouw>	 Sure, send it my way
[23:09:21] <RoanKattouw>	 If it's nontrivial I may defer it to tomorrow
[23:09:30] * p858snake|l  wonders if Reedy is free/around to do some [[Project:Requests#Requests_for_renames]]

[23:09:36] <RoanKattouw>	 Today is a holiday and I'm trying to exploit that to bootstrap myself here in the US
[23:09:59] <RoanKattouw>	 just got a phone, off to view an apartment soon
[23:10:28] <TimStarling>	 fun
[23:10:31] <Samus_Aran>	 Spankart: compare the numbers to what shows up in Special:Statistics
[23:10:47] <TimStarling>	 my patch isn't working so it might take a bit longer
[23:11:41] <Reedy>	 p858snake|l: link?
[23:11:46] <Reedy>	 i'm being lazy :p
[23:11:54] <TimStarling>	 ah, got it now
[23:12:00] <p858snake|l>	 Reedy: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Project:Requests#Requests_for_renames
[23:12:17] <Samus_Aran>	 thanks all
[23:12:26] <TimStarling>	 http://paste.tstarling.com/p/agPgAK.html
[23:12:50] <TimStarling>	 init() is called from cached HTML before DOM ready
[23:13:03] <TimStarling>	 so you can't get rid of it or do anything useful in it
[23:13:42] <RoanKattouw>	 That's diff -w (whitespace changed suppressed) I take it?
[23:13:51] <TimStarling>	 no
[23:14:07] <RoanKattouw>	 Oh, right
[23:14:16] <RoanKattouw>	 $( '#wpSummary' ).byteLimit( 250 ); is still a problem
[23:14:30] <RoanKattouw>	 Also needs to happen on ready
[23:14:50] <RoanKattouw>	 Other than that it should be good to apply, after I check that no one actually uses mw.toolbar.$toolbar externally
[23:14:59] <TimStarling>	 so http://paste.tstarling.com/p/DMEYLt.html
[23:14:59] <Spankart>	 @Samus_Aran: The data in Special:Statistics looks correct, but none of our new pages (after our recent version upgrade) is in the top 10 of most viewed pages, so i have no data to compare)
[23:15:30] <RoanKattouw>	 Yeah
[23:16:18] <TimStarling>	 I'll back it out and reproduce the byteLimit issue before I commit
[23:16:22] <RoanKattouw>	 Hmm
[23:16:34] <Reedy>	 p858snake|l: those requests are a mess
[23:16:36] <RoanKattouw>	 insertButton() uses $toolbar ,that would have to be wrapped in document ready too
[23:16:57] <TimStarling>	 in theory external callers should be using addButton()
[23:17:06] <p858snake|l>	 Reedy: I'm aware, and one has been sitting there since feb last year
[23:17:28] <RoanKattouw>	 Oh, OK
[23:17:52] <TimStarling>	 insertButton is called by onReady() (formerly init)
[23:17:59] <RoanKattouw>	 Just to be sure I'd rather  you initialized $toolbar to $( [] ) instead of false. At least that way it doesn't explode if used prematurely
[23:18:16] <TimStarling>	 ok
[23:18:24] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Notify user by email when password changed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/26227  +comment (10Platonides)
[23:18:34] <RoanKattouw>	 Although.. I wonder what .append does on an empty selection
[23:18:38] <Spankart>	 it looks like our tech admin has enabled file caching as described in http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:File_cache. would that explain the wrong page counts?
[23:19:27] <RoanKattouw>	 Looks like it does nothing as I meant it to
[23:19:37] <RoanKattouw>	 Spankart: Page view counts, you mean?
[23:19:42] <Spankart>	 yes
[23:19:51] <Spankart>	 page  view counts
[23:19:53] <RoanKattouw>	 Yeah if any caching is involved then you're probably not gonna get accurate view counts. Wikipedia doesn't either
[23:20:33] <TimStarling>	 I think "any caching" is a bit of an exaggeration
[23:20:48] <RoanKattouw>	 True
[23:20:53] <RoanKattouw>	 File cache and Squid cache, at leat
[23:21:04] <TimStarling>	 Samus_Aran recommended disabling the parser cache and client cache
[23:23:10] <Joan>	 Google Analytics should work, right?
[23:23:15] <Joan>	 If it's in the site-wide JS?
[23:23:16] <Rogue-kun>	 Would disabling any if this cache have an impat the the SQL server which is already heavely loaded?
[23:23:26] <Joan>	 Caching should screw that up.
[23:23:29] <Joan>	 shouldn't *
[23:24:11] <TimStarling>	 if the SQL server is heavily loaded, you shouldn't be using page view counts
[23:24:25] <TimStarling>	 that's the first SQL optimisation you should do
[23:24:38] <Spankart>	 the sql server is heavily loaded, but not by the wiki
[23:24:57] <Spankart>	 the wiki's views are not that much
[23:25:55] <p858snake|l>	 If a SQL server is heavily loaded, it doesn't really care where the load is coming from iirc
[23:28:42] <gandhiano>	 anyone using the extension Check Spambots? I get the extension page with the check_spammers_plain.php included in every page, whenever I activate this
[23:30:20] <Spankart>	 thanks everybody, you have helped us. bye!
[23:30:34] * TimStarling  kicks codurr

[23:30:34] <codurr>	 Puck you.
[23:31:15] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Users without the autopatrol right are being autopatrolled on simple.wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34503  +comment (10mah)
[23:36:25] <TimStarling>	 var updateMailValidityLabel = function( mail ) {
[23:36:32] <TimStarling>	 why do people write functions like this?
[23:37:15] <TimStarling>	 I'm not wrong am I? it's identical to function updateMailValidityLabel(mail) {, right?
[23:37:25] <TimStarling>	 same scope, same everything
[23:37:32] <p858snake|l>	 gandhiano: It doesn't look like the code for that has been touched since 2009, So it's possible that it's broken with anything newer than ~MediaWiki 1.16
[23:37:32] <Reedy>	 One presumes there must be a reason for doing it
[23:37:37] <Reedy>	 But a lot of people seem to do it...
[23:39:11] <RoanKattouw>	 TimStarling: Identical, yeah
[23:40:45] <Reedy>	 p858snake|l: the oldest has very few edits, and still attached accounts..https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ACentralAuth&target=Tectec
[23:41:44] <TimStarling>	 I'm auditing all of the core modules for this load order issue, I've found a third already
[23:42:38] <TimStarling>	 if you count the one that was fixed already as the first
[23:44:36] <Wikinaut>	 uiuiuiu Internal Error on MediaWiki when I want to inspect my recent commit https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111979
[23:45:14] <Wikinaut>	 in this commit, one file was deleted, another added and two were changed
[23:46:00] <Reedy>	 Blame hashar
[23:46:12] <Reedy>	 Wikinaut: can you log a bug in bugzilla for it please?
[23:46:42] <Wikinaut>	 component Code Review ?
[23:46:49] <Wikinaut>	 Extension
[23:46:51] <Wikinaut>	 ?
[23:46:55] <Reedy>	 yup
[23:48:22] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Internal Error on MediaWiki when I want to inspect my recent commit https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111979 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34554 normal; MediaWiki extensions: CodeReview; (mail)
[23:48:40] <Wikinaut>	 puy
[23:49:13] <Wikinaut>	 hey, has someone already tried my new extension EtherpadLite ?
[23:49:27] <Wikinaut>	 or the reshaped AJAXPoll ?
[23:50:22] <Wikinaut>	 and for the Berlin Hackathon, I have something _very_ special 
[23:50:31] <Wikinaut>	 under construction
[23:50:32] <codurr>	 New code comment: Dantman; I'm not going to bother getting this reviewed till after the git migration, so for now it's reverted; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111439#c31279>
[23:51:01] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Internal Error on MediaWiki when I want to inspect my recent commit https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111979 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34554  (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[23:52:00] <Dantman>	 when reverting oneself after marking the reverted commit as reverted, should one mark the commit generated by reverting as ok themselves?
[23:52:27] <Reedy>	  you can't
[23:52:49] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Internal Error on MediaWiki when I want to inspect my recent commit https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111979 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34554  normal->major (10T. Gries)
[23:53:42] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Internal Error on MediaWiki when I want to inspect my recent commit https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111979 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34554  +comment (10mail)
[23:56:54] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Internal Error on MediaWiki when I want to inspect my recent commit https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111979 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34554  +comment (10sam)
[23:58:44] <Wikinaut>	 would like to change the subject. Is an XML expert here ? I would like to fix the "last" bug in Extension:RSS . this is basically https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=30028
[23:58:52] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Install Artifactory to distribute MWDumper as a Maven Artifact - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34393  +comment (10rlane32)