[00:09:54] Reedy: can you tag those renames as not done or mention what they need/don't need etc etc? [00:10:21] * mmovchin goes to sleep. Good night. [00:31:53] Reedy, got a bit of a problem that I think you might be able to help with [00:32:23] http://discoverygc.com/wiki/api.php?action=query&list=allimages&aidir=descending those two top images are broken. [00:34:28] delete them? [00:34:41] I can't [00:35:06] page id ftw [00:35:07] If you open the descriptionurl you'll see that it thinks they don't exist [00:35:18] And I don't know how to get the page IDs for them :/ [00:35:32] database? :p [00:35:58] I'm just a normal MediaWiki admin/sysop, no phpmyadmin or shell access [00:43:52] 04(REOPENED) DOM modification at module execute versus $wgResourceLoaderExperimentalAsyncLoading - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34538 summary; +comment (10Tim Starling) [00:47:31] Reedy, ah, figured out how to get their page ids. api.php?action=query&generator=allimages&gaidir=descending&indexpageids [00:49:42] p858snake|l: 3 done, other 4 marked as such [00:53:07] how can I post images to a MediaWiki that are clickable to a larger version of the image (both created by myself)? [00:53:10] oh my first spammer to take care of [00:53:10] the ambasitor extension has no download link [00:53:35] Samus_Aran: upload bigger ones, and use MW to make thumbnails? [00:53:43] I don't like the quality loss from MediaWiki's thumbnailing process [00:53:59] That's an issue with imagemagick then [00:54:04] or whatever you use for thumbnailing [00:54:07] it's outsourced [00:54:32] ImageMagick and most other apps do not handle the non-linear RGB colour space properly, which results in poor thumnails [00:54:50] I'm just wondering how I go about uploading both a small and large version and use them with MediaWiki [00:55:07] Krinkle: you wrote [[Manual:Coding conventions/JavaScript]] right? [00:55:21] TimStarling: I created it, mostly copied content from other pages though [00:55:23] What's up? [00:55:46] ![[ Manual:Coding_conventions/JavaScript [00:55:47] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual%3ACoding_conventions%2FJavaScript [00:56:17] mostly I'm just getting annoyed about JS style in MediaWiki and wondering if that document can discourage some more things [00:56:30] if ( mw.activeCampaigns && !$.isEmptyObject(mw.activeCampaigns) ) { [00:56:30] $( $.setupActiveBuckets ); [00:56:30] } [00:56:48] I'm really not a fan of this style of ready callback setup [00:56:58] Reedy: Heh, CodeReview broken still? [00:57:04] I'd prefer to have the word "ready" in there somewhere instead of just punctuation [00:57:10] johnduhart: only that one revision [00:57:34] I see the page already recommends jQuery(document).ready(), do you think it could also discourage the abbreviated style? [00:57:45] TimStarling: I prefer $.fn.ready over $() personally (for readability) [00:58:22] $.fn.ready is an undocumented method though, should not be called directly (although it works fine) [00:58:23] TimStarling: I wouldn't mind it if it were $( function () { mw.code(); } ), that makes it clear that it's a callback [00:58:30] Isn't there supposed to be a delete button on pages (Vector skin)? [00:58:34] 03(mod) Internal Error on MediaWiki when I want to inspect my recent commit https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111979 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34554 +comment (10sam) [00:58:42] $(document).ready() re-creates a jQuery object for document [00:58:53] $() uses a cached one [00:59:02] so does $.fn.ready [00:59:26] 03(FIXED) Extension AJAXPoll is in MW SVN but not listed in the bugzilla extension options - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34408 (10Mark A. Hershberger) [00:59:36] johnduhart: You mean $( mw.code ), right ? there is no need to create a new function body and context. [00:59:49] passing it by reference [01:00:00] Krinkle: The mw.code part was an example, there would be other stuff in there as well [01:00:02] I know that [01:00:29] TimStarling: I'm fine with adding that guideline. Although I'm not sure how much it will be used since we're adding mw.hooks soon [01:00:40] Oooh, mw.hooks [01:00:49] which is probably going to supersede most if not all document ready hooks [01:01:10] also: var foo = function() { .. }; is annoying me, as I said above [01:01:45] e.g. mw.hooks.add('article.ready', function ($content, title) { … }); :) [01:01:55] e.g. http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/extensions/CheckUser/checkuser.js?view=markup [01:02:03] so that it re-runs on ajax-preview etc. [01:02:19] yes, that would be good too [01:02:35] * Dantman too (var foo fn [01:03:01] TimStarling: Yep, function name(){} is better than var name = function(){} since that's an anonymous function, makes profiling harder [01:03:15] function name(){}; == var name = function(){}; [01:03:22] function name(){}; == var name = function name(){}; [01:03:50] functions should contain vars, functions and then body. in that order. [01:04:23] var assignments being part of body [01:04:35] It's a shame that IE makes { foo: function foo() {} } troublesome. [01:04:39] oh checkuser.js is quite a mess [01:04:48] Dantman: how bad is it? [01:06:08] Krinkle: I can't remember which versions of IE it was but IE's JScript engine takes `var o = { foo: function foo() { } };` and treats it like if you wrote `function foo() {}; var o = { foo: foo };` [01:06:58] Krinkle: And then you combine the extra locally scoped var with IE's memory leak issues and..... well [01:07:05] which then expands into `var foo, o; foo = function foo() {}; o = { "foo": foo };` [01:07:21] what is foo [01:07:29] 3 letters [01:07:35] opposite of oof [01:07:40] counterpart of bar [01:07:46] http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc3092.html [01:07:51] 75% of food [01:07:52] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foobar [01:08:30] Dantman: anyway, that's in objects. [01:09:15] in objects there is a reason to use function() {} [01:09:39] if you're just making a local function then it's pointless [01:09:42] got is foo is A military artillery observer or spotter is responsible for directing artillery fire and close air support [01:10:13] TimStarling: So are you adding a ===Order=== to ==Code structure==, or do you want me to write it? [01:10:58] i need help with extension TEST [01:11:04] I thought you might like to write it, but if not then I can write it myself, or find someone else to do it [01:11:10] !e TEST [01:11:11] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:TEST [01:11:22] you're the JS expert, so you can write with more authority about it [01:11:57] I'm startng at hex2int and... [01:12:50] hex = new String( hex ); // never use `new String` [01:13:25] hex[i]; // non-standard, won't work everywhere. [01:14:16] And of course... unless there's something I'm missing. The entire thing could be rewritten as `function hex2int( hex ) { return parseInt( hex, 16 ); };` [01:17:03] TimStarling: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Coding_conventions/JavaScript#Example_code [01:18:14] what is the reason for the local mw alias? [01:18:56] there is window.mw = window.mediaWiki at the bottom of mediawiki.js [01:19:01] Indeed there is [01:19:11] There is no strong reason for it, other than it being the convention. [01:19:38] I think there was a reason for it very very early in RL's history [01:19:40] Not so strong reasons: Hipocrazy against possibility of someone creating a variable named mw globally [01:19:45] maybe in JS2 or before the branch merge [01:19:46] Another reason is performance [01:20:21] local alias instead of having to go up a chain of 12+ function scopes to get to window's properties [01:20:22] performance? [01:20:32] right... [01:20:53] loader.implement's callback, to loader's definition, to mw's definition, to, ... [01:21:04] module file's closure [01:21:10] and whatever else [01:21:28] you're talking about single digit microseconds though [01:21:37] I like it for the same reason as having a local map of jQuery -> $ [01:21:54] still need help on [01:21:58] !e TEST [01:21:58] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:TEST [01:22:07] yeah, although jQuery>$ is for more than just performance. it's because we've had people overwrite that in the past + it's an upstream alias [01:22:24] Sure, but it's a good general rule. [01:22:38] I believe there are other JS libraries that define window.$ [01:22:48] indeed [01:22:51] jQuery wasn't the first, it was following a convention [01:22:51] If your global name is 3-chars or less, always use a longer canonical name and create a local alias. [01:23:24] if I'd create mediawiki.js and we had a new start I'd call it MW instead of mw or mediaWiki [01:23:45] We may use "mw" to refer to one thing, but there's no saying what 3rd party script may have a different meaning for "mw". [01:23:46] following Crockford's convention of naming globals [01:24:26] the mw alias is also supported by mdale iirc, when embedding mediawiki code on 3rd party web pages. [01:24:38] ok, I'm sold [01:24:51] ok :) [01:24:55] and what is the undefined for? [01:25:12] because sadly var undefined = true; works [01:25:30] in which case somethingundefined !== undefined [01:25:46] ECMAScript 5 has added 'undefined' to the list of reserved words [01:25:48] finally. [01:26:12] below ES5 it's a global variable with no value [01:26:40] and some people might overwrite it. jQuery < 1.5 is famous for braking in those situations [01:26:56] so if someone has made window.undefined, it's to stop a few less things from breaking? [01:27:31] presumably the breakage will be vast, but I suppose it's nice to have your own little bunker so you can say you were prepared :) [01:27:45] if a legacy wiktionary gadget has something like definitionList = []; defined = 0; undefined = 0; undefined++; [01:27:47] whatever [01:28:14] yeah, it's terrible [01:28:31] 03(mod) Extension:PageCSS parser tag hook needs to return a value (even if it's an empty string) for MediaWiki 1.18+ compatibility - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34453 summary (10Carl Austin Bennett) [01:28:35] Btw, on the wiki page "Similarly, when using an array literal, don't include any extra commas. In older versions of IE, [ 1, 2, , 3, ] will be interpreted as [ 1, 2, undefined, 3, undefined ] instead of the expected [ 1, 2, 3 ]." [01:29:01] That's a little off [ 1, 2, , 3, ] is => [ 1, 2, undefined, 3 ] [01:29:34] TimStarling: We could have some of these things taken care of by ResourceLoader though. In production mode modules are wrapped in a function closure (it has to wrap it in something to pass it to mw.loader.implement), that closure could do these three things ($, mw, undefined) [01:29:52] true [01:30:01] but at some point we decided to instead do it in local files so that we have it in debug mode as well, and also when 3rd parties use our standalone modules. [01:30:14] (e.g. jquery.byteLimit) [01:30:26] although that one probably doesn't do it :P [01:30:42] It also lets you be a bit more explicit if you have something else to add. [01:31:28] did you see what I said earlier about debug mode? [01:32:28] TimStarling: How far earlier? [01:32:35] (I did not) [01:34:01] I'll make a log excerpt... [01:39:21] still need help on estension:TEST [01:39:24] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Tim_Starling/RL_debug_ideas [01:41:25] TimStarling: Regarding minified output, if you use Chrome you can use "prettify" in the debugger and script viewer to do something like that [01:41:32] I use that all the time to debug production output [01:41:47] sure [01:41:53] unless it's a firefox-specific bug [01:41:59] sure [01:42:07] just saying for the here/now 1.18/1.19 [01:43:22] well yeah, this feature would be a 1.20 feature [01:43:55] http://i.imgur.com/4z2bW.png http://i.imgur.com/MzL5h.png [01:44:51] part of the reason I want this is to improve the quality of JS-related bug reports [01:45:39] we had a whole lot of high priority bug reports which were regressions from 1.18 [01:46:04] and all of them were terribly vague and unhelpful [01:46:14] not what you'd expect considering the people reporting them [01:46:45] I think the browsers themselves should have part of the blame [01:47:31] a trace of all request and response headers would have been extremely useful, but I know firefox doesn't let you do that without installing LiveHTTPHeaders [01:48:51] a detailed debug log would be helpful for some sorts of bugs [01:48:57] Since I've switched to Chrome I've felt like being in heaven when it comes to debugging JS. There's a few things that it doesn't promote very well, but once discovered and understood, I love it :) [01:49:14] and the ability to turn off minification with a query parameter would let people report JS errors in a much more useful way [01:49:18] but that doesn't help bug reports though [01:49:28] TimStarling: minification + concatenation? [01:49:31] or just minification [01:49:41] (line numbers on load.php otherwise) [01:49:50] they should be separate options [01:50:25] maybe it would be useful to turn off concatenation in some circumstances, but it carries a high risk of changing the behaviour of the app [01:50:56] not as high as the current debug=true, but still high [01:57:56] does anyone have any clue why in a MediaWiki skin, if I have a PHP function it can not access data outside the function, either by global or by passing it in? [01:58:15] 03(NEW) Special:Indexpages should take page prefix as parameter - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34555 enhancement; MediaWiki extensions: ProofreadPage; (lars) [02:00:57] Samus_Aran: I think you're making false assumptions there somewhere [02:01:00] global doesn't work, but passing in actually does (I accidentally had the global still there when trying passing in) [02:01:02] What's with this file? Why does it only have a cache lifetime of 5 minutes? http://rosettacode.org/mw/load.php?debug=false&lang=en&modules=mediawiki.legacy.commonPrint%2Cshared%7Cskins.vector&only=styles&skin=vector&* [02:01:22] global always works [02:01:23] Also, why does it include a GIF image inlined and base64-encoded? -.- [02:01:24] I guess global takes precidence, and global doesn't work in the skin [02:01:37] TimStarling: not in the skin, NULL [02:01:53] maybe the you're using the wrong name or it's not set yet [02:02:29] Samus_Aran: I came in late, obviously, but stupid question: Are you using 'global' in front of the symbol name in the function you're working with? Otherwise, the symbol won't show up. [02:03:03] mikemol: 1) because it's unversioned, 2) it's called a sprite, it improves performance [02:03:53] it is set. the line before the function call I have var_dump($foo); and it's fine, then I call the function and it has: global $foo; var_dump($foo); [02:04:21] but I don't need global if passing in works, I was just having troubles getting either to work. [02:04:26] and you're sure $foo before the function call is bound to the global? [02:04:40] what does "bound to the global" mean? [02:04:42] you didn't call unset() on it or something? [02:05:07] mikemol: by symbol name, do you mean the name of my variable? [02:05:07] do you know about references in PHP? have you read the tutorial in the manual? [02:06:05] OK, how do I get unversioned objects to have cache lifetimes? I have "ExpiresByType text/css A3794400" in /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/expires.conf, but that doesn't seem to have an effect. [02:06:22] TimStarling: has the plan for what is happening with ED on the git changeover been worked out yet? [02:06:29] I know what references are, but I have never used them except to experiment [02:07:01] Samus_Aran: Where $foo is used originally may not be in the global scope. i.e., if it's in another function, it may be a symbol local to that function. [02:07:12] p858snake|l: I think the current plan is to just migrate the core and then think about extensions later [02:07:55] Samus_Aran: "global $foo" is the same as "$foo =& $GLOBALS['foo'];" [02:08:22] well the cluster extensions are/should be happening at the same time I would think (or at least that is what i thought i read)... and I would imagine they are the more downloaded ones [02:08:27] so if you type: "global $foo; unset( $foo );" then the reference is gone from the local scope [02:08:42] then if you write $foo = 1; after that, you're just assigning to the local variable, there's no global [02:09:14] yeap the cluster exts are happening at the same time "If you develop MediaWiki core, or work on extensions that the Wikimedia [02:09:14] Foundation deploys, you should prepare for your development workflow to [02:09:14] switch on the weekend of March 3rd." [02:09:26] BTW, I found http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgResourceLoaderMaxage , so I should be good. [02:11:29] TimStarling: but does that also unset the global ? (e.g. imply unset($GLOBALS['foo']); / $GLOBALS['foo'] = null;) [02:11:48] 03(mod) Install Artifactory to distribute MWDumper as a Maven Artifact - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34393 +comment (10rlane32) [02:11:52] no it doesn't [02:12:17] in fact I made that mistake in includes/ForkController.php [02:12:51] unset($foo) just removes the local reference, it doesn't affect the global [02:13:23] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/106758 [02:13:31] yeah, much like in javascript, when using var foo = window.foo; foo = undefined; won't affect the global [02:13:36] it's just reassigning the local variable. [02:13:43] 03(mod) Templates are parsed in edit section title - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34528 (10Mark A. Hershberger) [02:13:55] 03(mod) cia.vc post commit hook seems broken - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34530 (10Mark A. Hershberger) [02:14:07] in PHP, plain assignment will affect the global, of course [02:14:14] when when foo is an object by reference, there are no variables by reference in JS (which is sometimes annoying, I like how php has the ability to alias variables) [02:14:20] but reference assignment won't, i.e. global $a; $a =& $b; [02:14:36] 03(mod) no choice for PD-old-70 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34531 (10Mark A. Hershberger) [02:14:48] 03(mod) mwe-upwiz-license-public-domain-usa-subhead: unknown operation "sitename" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34532 (10Mark A. Hershberger) [02:15:03] lunch time [02:15:09] bed time [02:15:12] cya! [02:15:15] 03(mod) Special:GlobalUsers redirected to Special:ListUsers - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34533 (10Mark A. Hershberger) [02:18:50] 03(mod) Searching for string on all pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34535 +comment (10Mark A. Hershberger) [02:19:35] Hm. Setting $wgResourceLoaderMaxAge['unversioned']['client'] = 5 * 60 * 60 * 24 * 31 seems to have no effect. I purged my accelerator cache and everything, MW is still generating fresh pages with an Expires of +5min. [02:19:50] 03(mod) MediaWiki tags - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34536 +comment (10Mark A. Hershberger) [02:20:12] 03(mod) Text edit box encoding problem with PDF - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34540 (10Mark A. Hershberger) [02:23:13] 03(mod) mw.loader.load calls document.write from asynchronous scripts - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34542 +comment (10Mark A. Hershberger) [02:24:08] 03(mod) Two search suggestions boxes are being displayed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34548 (10Mark A. Hershberger) [02:26:20] 03(mod) CSS rule causes blue background for chrome users - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34551 +upstream (10Mark A. Hershberger) [02:27:56] 03(mod) getting "srsearch-text-disabled"-errors randomly on api search in german Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34553 (10Mark A. Hershberger) [02:34:58] 03(mod) [Regression] IRC string output for log messages no longer compatible - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34508 +comment (10robla) [02:35:35] mikemol: the function is created in the same scope, a few lines above where it's called. [02:37:31] is there any easy way to output a PHP variable by editing a page on the wiki? I don't mind turning off security features for this, it's a privately edited wiki. [02:37:53] Nikerabbit: poke [02:38:05] the variable is created in the skin .php file [02:38:17] Nikerabbit: think I found a bug in some i18n stuff, or else I just don't know how to use it [02:39:14] Nikerabbit: 'help-message' arg in HTMLForm is supposed to be able to take an array with message key and then args according to the docs. array( 'key', args... ) is not working for me [02:39:29] Nikerabbit: this stuff is fed directly to wfMessage [02:42:05] heed help on [02:42:09] !e TEST [02:42:09] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:TEST [02:44:46] pokeswap: perhaps people will be more responsive if you describe what you need help with. [02:45:08] finishing the codeing described above [02:45:44] can you post any code you have? there doesn't seem to be any real code on that page apart from some group permissions [02:45:52] (on extension TEST) [02:45:53] hey guys, how would i add another link next to the diff and hist links shown to the left of each change on Special:Watchlist? [02:45:58] just that [02:46:05] have you read https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/How_to_become_a_MediaWiki_hacker ? [02:48:45] p858snake|l, was that for me? [02:49:13] TimStarling: could you look at the patch I attached to bug 34508 and comment there on the approach? [02:49:33] ok [02:49:49] !b 34508 [02:49:49] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=34508 [02:50:13] yes [02:50:38] thanks [02:52:07] so, can i get some help coding [02:52:27] why is it an extension? [02:52:36] this page says to use a "delete label", with no mention of what that is or how to use it: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Deleting_a_page [02:52:46] how can I use a delete label? [02:52:48] I could understand making the whole feature an extension, but just the bugfix? [02:53:25] so, can i get some help coding [02:53:29] !e TEST [02:53:29] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:TEST [02:55:14] {{delete}} simply shows a broken template link [02:55:31] I am trying to hide a page from the "Most Viewed Pages" under the statistics page [02:55:47] the page was first created with improper case. [02:56:05] now there's two of them [02:57:31] TimStarling: I think the idea is to move the whole mess out to an extension, starting with this stuff [02:58:39] the thing I like about starting off this way now is that it reduces the temptation to futz with those messages [03:00:23] you know it's not just wikimedia IRC or backwards compatibility that's broken? [03:00:47] the feature is properly broken, even for humans [03:01:44] need help coding extension TEST [03:01:50] !E TEST [03:01:50] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:TEST [03:02:31] pokeswap: What do you need help with? [03:02:36] Anyone know how to avoid an assignment using pdoStatement? [03:03:28] TimStarling: I'm not enamored with the new system based on my limited experience and listening to Aaron grumbling about it, but I'm not sure it's easy to revert [03:03:52] $pdoStatement->getColumnMeta($column)['name'] doesn't work, but $meta = $pdoStatement->getColumnMeta($column); $meta['name'] does. [03:03:54] I got the sense that Aaron would have reverted a while back if he could [03:04:23] I have to say, Facebook's design decision on how to indicate there is stuff you can scroll upwards for is nicely done. [03:04:32] I'd be ok with figuring out where to stuff this straight into core [03:05:47] 03(mod) no choice for PD-old-70 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34531 +comment (10saibotrash) [03:06:47] I'd rather see it fixed rather than reverted [03:07:26] if this LegacyLogs extension really was just for backwards compatibility, then maybe you could make an argument for it existing [03:07:42] but if the point of it is just to make IRC log lines formatted so that humans can read them, then I'm not with it [03:08:53] well...it's not that the old one was not humanly readable [03:09:13] the difference is pretty subtle between the two [03:10:13] I suppose the one non-human readable thing (old and new) is the color codes [03:10:44] 1.18: 14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move_redir10 02 5* 03RobLa 5* 10RobLa moved page [[02Test210]] to [[Test]] over redirect [03:11:04] oops...^ that's trunk [03:11:28] 1.18: 14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move_redir10 02 5* 03RobLa 5* 10moved [[023Test10]] to [[Test]] over redirect [03:12:45] yes, the username is repeated [03:12:53] in 1.19 [03:13:09] once with highlighting and once without [03:13:20] that is the bug [03:13:32] yeah, that's true [03:13:51] if you make it once without highlighting, then that is a slight regression for humans and a b/c break for bots [03:14:15] which is better than the current situation [03:15:35] you lost me there... [03:15:45] doing the special pages. when i tried it broke all special pages [03:16:10] johnduhart: that is what i need help with [03:16:20] making it once without highlighting still breaks backwards compatibility, which isn't really better at all [03:16:23] TimStarling: ^ [03:16:36] currently it is "*robla* robla moved 1 to 2" [03:16:41] this doesn't make sense for anyone [03:16:47] better would be "robla moved 1 to 2" [03:16:54] best of all would be "*robla* moved 1 to 2" [03:16:57] sure....I'm with you there [03:17:13] at least on the "best" outcome [03:17:32] which, based on what I know, the best outcome may be easier than the better outcome [03:19:04] * robla sets about actually fixing it in core [03:20:41] anyone could give me any pointers on where the recent changes list is built on Special:Watchlist? [03:22:14] jere_n: start at includes/specials/SpecialWatchlist.php [03:22:31] then that probably calls includes/ChangesList.php [03:25:52] got it [03:26:49] if i wanted to add an 'unwatch' link along with hist and diff for each recent change en Special:Watchlist, where would i do it? [03:27:16] adding it in ChangesList would add it for every other page using ChangesList i guess [03:27:17] johnduhart look at pm [03:27:54] i need help with extension:TEST coding the special pages (twords the top) [03:29:46] jere_n: well, there's already $list->setWatchlistDivs(); [03:30:23] you could do it the same way [03:32:52] EditWatchlist and SetWatchlist both have "twat" in them. So I get the occasional ping. [03:33:00] I should probably fix my client. [03:33:09] lol [03:33:24] TimStarling, "Sets the list to use a

tag" is the comment for that method [03:33:58] doesn't seem to have much to do, or maybe i'm missing the point [03:35:17] i was thinking maybe recentChangesLine() could be better, since it also has a $watche param [03:35:26] *$watched [03:36:04] well, the point is that ChangesList already knows whether it is showing a watchlist or some other kind of changes list [03:36:21] yes you will need to patch recentChangesLine [03:36:39] note that $watched doesn't tell you whether you're viewing a watchlist or not [03:37:49] ohh i get it [03:38:20] it "knows" what kind of changes list it is when it calls newFromContext( $this->getContext() ) right? [03:38:51] sorry for the dumb questions :p, i just want to understand what i'm doing [03:49:39] there's a couple of different approaches to take in the core version of bug 34508 [03:50:16] (ok maybe more) [03:50:49] 1. take the code that would have gone into an extension, and put it into LogFormatter::getPlainActionText() [03:53:29] 2. add code to LogFormatter::getMessageKey() to add "-plain" when ->plaintext == true [03:54:24] 3. override LogFormatter::getPlainActionText() in MoveLogFormatter, DeleteLogFormatter, etc [03:55:06] TimStarling: got a preference there? [03:56:20] I don't know, they all sound pretty reasonable [03:59:05] looks like I might be able to do a hybrid of #2 and #3 [03:59:53] getMessageKey is already overridden in MoveLogFormatter, DeleteLogFormatter, etc... [04:01:02] I was worried that approach #2 might involve appending -plain inappropriately, but if I do it in the derived classes, I can be pretty sure I'm not [04:11:18] werdna: around? [04:17:33] * robla looks for the best way to check if a msg is actually set [04:20:43] robla: maybe wfMessage('...')->exists() [04:21:29] excellent, thanks! [04:22:29] hey all [04:22:39] Hi. [04:22:46] i have a question. How do one add a icon next to the namespace? [04:34:12] ThunderKnight: Probably possible in CSS. [04:34:24] The body tag has a namespace in it. [04:34:29] So you can identify pages with that. [04:34:37] And then you'd just add a background image to the

, I guess. [04:39:18] ThunderKnight: https://test.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page [04:39:21] Sorta like that. [04:41:41] ah yes like that one [04:42:09] I just wrote that. [04:42:18] Look at the recent edits to "MediaWiki:Common.css" for an idea. [04:42:23] The CSS still needs tweaks. [04:43:46] We need to stop using `width: 100%;` where it's not needed. [04:43:52] is it possible to add different icon on different articles?. [04:44:15] Yes. [04:44:22] Dantman: I like tables to have it. [04:44:25] Usually. [04:44:48] ThunderKnight: You can do it with CSS on each page, but if you're going to do it to a lot of pages, it'll become unwieldy. [04:44:55] It depends how many pages you're talking about. [04:45:03] I'm talking the block level elements we put on it that would usually be fine with just the auto; [04:45:07] send you a pm?. [04:45:07] And whether you can cover a namespace or you want individual pages in each namespace. [04:45:12] No. [04:45:12] ESPECIALLY if they have borders. [04:45:41] Hmmm... [04:45:44] I should write a scanner [04:47:08] Dantman: I wrote a script to grab the bold terms out of Wikipedia article's first paragraph this weekend. [04:47:47] hey, I see a redirection like this: [[:Category:LGBT]] what's the : in front of Category means here? [04:47:48] It'd be nice if it weren't so painful to grab things like that. [04:47:59] is it the same as [[Category::LGBT]] ? [04:48:08] pubsez: It distinguishes it from including the page in a category. [04:48:11] No. [04:48:20] Category::LGBT sin't a valid page title, I don't think. [04:48:25] Or it's a rather silly one, at least. [04:48:29] hmm, I see thanks Joan [04:48:38] ;) And if you have SMW enabled that will do something completely different [04:48:44] [[File:foo]] v. [[:File:foo]] acts the same way. [04:49:12] Dantman: What's the S stand for? [04:49:56] Tch, he used "the". [04:50:07] !smw | Joan [04:50:07] Joan: SemanticMediaWiki is an awesome extension that lets you connect wiki pages with semantic relations. See and . Mailing lists are available at [04:50:38] !hss | mw-bot [04:50:38] mw-bot: ZOMG!! http://bit.ly/2sYkfl [04:51:13] SemanticMediaWiki [04:51:26] semantic [04:51:41] Oh, wait [04:51:58] * codurr pets johnduhart. [04:52:07] Yeah I forgot about that :p [04:52:26] !smw [04:52:26] SemanticMediaWiki is an awesome extension that lets you connect wiki pages with semantic relations. See and . Mailing lists are available at [04:52:46] * codurr moos [04:54:20] Joan - You can do it with CSS on each page, but if you're going to do it to a lot of pages [04:54:55] how to do this one and yes they are lot of pages. More like 100 articles. [04:55:12] You'll probably need to do it in JavaScript, then. [04:55:17] It should be fairly simple with jQuery. [04:55:27] Just append the CSS when there's a particular ID on the page. [04:55:29] Or something. [04:55:38] I guess you could do an array of page titles or osmething. [04:55:41] I can't type. [04:56:32] if i knew how i can... [04:59:12] 03(mod) CSS rule causes blue background for chrome users - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34551 +comment (10joeysmith) [05:00:58] TimStarling: I see a side effect to handling the IRC problem in core (at least, where I have it now). The revision history is also affected this way. [05:07:36] Joan: http://p.defau.lt/?wNRCrWU4ToDJmetq0lz6NA [05:08:02] Scans the page for every element that's 100 width of it's parent and also has a border. [05:08:20] ie: The things that'll kill overflow. [05:09:48] http://pruebita.com/boron.py.txt is what I wrote this weekend. [05:10:10] I also finally came to the conclusion that wikimarkup is an abomination. [05:21:33] Ok, looks like these tricks of using a css .after to create a clear also breaks things [05:29:06] We need to update our "Web Browser" dropdown [05:33:30] 03(NEW) LiquidThreads uses css clearing code that breaks overflow on the content area - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34556 normal; MediaWiki extensions: LiquidThreads; (mediawiki-bugs) [05:35:47] New code comment: Amire80; Missing 'g' in rammar_case_foo. \ Two spaces in 'return word && form'. \ The origWord trick may be neede; [05:39:24] 03(mod) [Regression] IRC string output for log messages no longer compatible - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34508 +comment (10robla) [05:56:53] 03(NEW) Fix uses of width: 100%; with borders - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34557 normal; MediaWiki: User interface; (mediawiki-bugs) [06:00:01] 03(NEW) Support for overflow: auto; on the content area (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34558 normal; MediaWiki: User interface; (mediawiki-bugs) [06:00:01] 03(mod) Tracking bug (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/2007 (10Daniel Friesen) [06:00:20] 03(mod) Fix uses of width: 100%; with borders - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34557 (10Daniel Friesen) [06:00:21] 03(mod) Support for overflow: auto; on the content area (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34558 (10Daniel Friesen) [06:00:23] 03(mod) LiquidThreads uses css clearing code that breaks overflow on the content area - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34556 (10Daniel Friesen) [06:00:25] 03(mod) Support for overflow: auto; on the content area (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34558 (10Daniel Friesen) [06:13:07] hi nit3ch [06:13:48] sumanah: hey [06:14:01] how are you? how is your MediaWiki learning? [06:14:03] is it going well? [06:14:29] sumanah: actually i cann't manage time for this , some college stuffs [06:14:31] :( [06:14:47] nit3ch: you have my sympathies. good luck [06:15:45] sumanah: thanks :) [06:20:44] I am trying to figure out the reason for slow response times of our wiki installation, what is the best way to get the breakdown of time taken by each component? [06:20:55] Kr1ks: hi [06:20:58] !performance [06:20:58] [06:21:08] !debu [06:21:08] I don't know anything about "debu". You might try: !blank !debug !errors !ldapdebug !sqllog !webinspector [06:21:10] !debug [06:21:10] For information on debugging (including viewing errors), see http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:How_to_debug [06:21:40] Kr1ks: I hope one of those links is helpful to you [06:21:57] just to check: are you using MediaWiki 1.18 and have you enabled some kind of caching, Kr1ks? [06:22:20] sumanah: Thank you [06:22:30] hi chughakshay16 [06:23:43] sumanah:APC is enabled for caching, I believe, I went through the first link earlier, will take a look at both these, 1.15 is the version of our installation. [06:24:12] hello sumanah [06:24:15] Kr1ks: I strongly recommend you upgrade to MediaWiki 1.18 when you have an opportunity, for security fixes, new features, etc [06:24:36] i was going through this page https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/GLAM/Tools_%26_Requests [06:24:40] sumanah:Sure, that's (upgrade) is in the near term plans [06:24:44] chughakshay16: I'm about to go to sleep but wanted to wave :-) Tim's online in case you have questions [06:24:54] okay np :) [06:24:56] Kr1ks: great! [06:25:25] chughakshay16: there's also a GLAM-specific room, #wikimedia-glam in case you want to ask questions about the tools that the GLAM community wants [06:25:25] sumanah:Thank you again! bbiab [06:25:53] okay thanks a lot ! [06:27:17] glad to help [06:48:55] 03(mod) Queries with inversed properties sort broken in 1.7b1 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/32988 +comment (10pierre) [07:02:38] 14(INVALID) For Wikisource series, please create [be:] interwiki link to point to oldwikisource - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/26124 +comment (10billinghurst) [07:14:35] some help... [07:24:02] morning [07:39:20] morning Nikerabbit [07:39:44] looks like you just missed Tim-away [07:45:22] 03(mod) [Regression] IRC string output for log messages no longer compatible - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34508 +comment (10robla) [07:45:56] Nikerabbit: any chance you could take over on bug 34508? [07:46:17] New code comment: Nikerabbit; You probably want ===, not =.; [07:54:17] New code comment: Nikerabbit;

 \ +jQuery(function($) { \ 12 + $(window).load(function() { \

\ jQuery( function () {} ) alre; [07:56:14] 03(mod) update.php stuck on update revision on large db - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33558 +comment (10Max Semenik) [07:56:57] petan, ^^^ [07:59:17] New code comment: Nikerabbit; Please mark follow-ups, this one is for r111941. \ And I prefer ===.; [08:07:12] i need some help with my mediawiki installation [08:07:20] go on [08:07:58] i've just done one on ubuntu but i get a blank page when i try to view it on my browser [08:09:20] robla: what about it? [08:09:34] robla: we likely need to use the exact message key names used before [08:09:45] hrm [08:10:46] well...regardless, I'm about to go to bed [08:10:59] so.... Nikerabbit: a couple of requests: [08:11:26] 1. If it's at all possible for you to actually finish this work off, I'd be eternally grateful [08:12:30] 2. barring that, if you can at least comment on my third patch, that'd be great. I don't think the separate extension thing is going to work as well given the short amount of time we have [08:13:04] !blank xelawafs [08:13:04] A blank page or HTTP 500 error usually indicates a fatal PHP error. For information on debugging (including viewing errors), see . [08:13:15] I've gotta get going here [08:17:24] have fun [08:17:52] MaxSem: I've tried to have the error(s) displayed by editing localsettings.php as suggested on this link but nothing happens. let me go through the rest of the page and if i don't find a solution, i'll come back here [08:18:28] xelawafs, in some cases you will not see errors online, check PHP error log [08:18:35] * MaxSem bets on OOM [08:24:38] 03(mod) parser should recognize "Category:+" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/29900 (10badon) [08:24:43] 03(mod) [[Category:+]] and [[Category:*]] doesn't workin in beta compatibiliy. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/18319 (10badon) [08:25:04] 03(mod) Email notification mistakes log action for new page creation - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/14901 +comment (10federicoleva) [08:26:32] maxsem: ok, looking at this now [08:29:55] 03(mod) Cannot work delete - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34345 (10azuriaweb) [08:58:04] 03(mod) mw.loader.load calls document.write from asynchronous scripts - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34542 +comment (10Michael M.) [09:06:44] 03(mod) https://mediawiki.org redirects to http://www.mediawiki.org/ - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31369 +comment (10hashar) [09:21:33] 03(mod) Users without the autopatrol right are being autopatrolled on simple.wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34503 +comment (10Thomas Bleher) [09:26:02] New code comment: Siebrand; I've rolled back the change in utils/TranslationHelpers.php which broke the diffs, without adding th; [09:34:06] 03(NEW) Table 'centralauth.spoofuser' doesn't exist - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34559 normal; MediaWiki extensions: CentralAuth; (benapetr) [09:34:44] 03(mod) Table 'centralauth.spoofuser' doesn't exist - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34559 (10Peter Bena) [09:44:35] 03(NEW) Moodbar on ta.wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34560 normal; Wikimedia: Extension setup; (srik.lak) [09:44:38] 03(mod) Tamil Wiki projects (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/32578 (10Srikanth Logic) [09:54:23] lo [09:54:40] 03(WONTFIX) raise template include size limit on Commons - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34519 +comment (10Antoine "hashar" Musso) [10:02:02] 03(WONTFIX) Prototype misconfiguration: $wgCopyrightIcon override points to nonexisting wikimedia-button.png URL - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/26921 +comment (10Antoine "hashar" Musso) [10:03:28] 03(FIXED) Thumbnail generation for private wikis on https://secure.wikimedia.org/ is broken - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/26971 +comment (10Antoine "hashar" Musso) [10:07:44] 03(mod) Table 'centralauth.spoofuser' doesn't exist - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34559 (10Peter Bena) [10:07:47] 03(mod) several bugs on deployment test site for 1.19 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33578 (10Peter Bena) [10:16:22] 03(WONTFIX) wikibugs IRC bot unaware of new "unprioritized" importance rating - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/28654 +comment (10Antoine "hashar" Musso) [10:16:35] 03(mod) wikibugs IRC bot unaware of new "unprioritized" importance rating - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/28654 +comment (10hashar) [10:32:33] 06(LATER) Add a descriptive tooltip to custom field "Web Browser" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/28796 +comment (10Antoine "hashar" Musso) [10:39:38] 03(mod) Setup internal wikis as https only - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/27622 +comment (10Antoine "hashar" Musso) [10:42:54] Hi guys, I'm trying to do 2 things from inside a skin: (1) Add a resourceloader module (ATM hacked Resources.php, yikes, could do it as an extension) (2) Adding i18n strings (using WikimediaMessages-derived extension ATM). Is there another (possibly standard) way? [10:43:00] 03(FIXED) Enable HTTPS for mail.wiki[mp]edia.org and redirect to lists - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33897 +comment (10Antoine "hashar" Musso) [10:43:47] I've installed 1.18.1 and it seems Help:* is missing, theres nothing about in in release notes or FAQ.. what do you guys suggest? [10:44:10] nobody talked in that channel for two hours and all of a sudden two people ask questions :-D [10:44:23] drors: don't hack resources.php, you really have to use the hooks :-) [10:44:32] 03(VERIFIED) Enable HTTPS for mail.wiki[mp]edia.org and redirect to lists - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33897 (10John Mark Vandenberg) [10:44:48] drors: a basic guide is at http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/ResourceLoader/Migration_guide_for_extension_developers [10:45:25] drors: for i18n message you want to read http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Developing_extensions#Internationalization [10:46:09] the standard way is, given your extension is named "Foobar", the scheme : Foobar/Foobar.i18n.php [10:46:22] Hashar, I read and re-read (over and over) every piece of RL documentation :-( I know how to do that inside an extension, my issue is inside a skin. Do I have to use an extension with the skin, and if so, can I call the extension from inside the skin (and where)? [10:46:23] lambda_x: I don't think we provide the Help: namespace [10:46:37] 03(NEW) Update "Web browser" field in Bugzilla - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34561 normal; Wikimedia: Bugzilla; (mediawiki-bugs) [10:46:39] lambda_x: mediawiki help is only available on www.mediawiki.org [10:47:42] hashar, lambda_x: I don't think that's right, NS_HELP is defined in includes/Namespace.php [10:47:42] drors: depends what you want to do. There are some hooks provided to alter the skin http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Hooks [10:48:31] drors: defined but empty :-) [10:48:49] drors: I think we have an enhancement request asking for that somewhere. Unlikely to ever occurs though [10:48:56] hashar: oh, of course. [10:49:00] drors: so see Help: as your local help [10:49:11] the MediaWiki help itself is on www.mediawiki.org [10:49:18] you can probably import it though [10:49:34] hashar: yeah, I know. I guess I misunderstood what he was asking. [10:50:57] hashar: import it? [10:50:58] hashar: regarding my issue, I'm asking here because it seems there isn't a way to localize a custom skin properly; vector-specific strings, for instance, were added to Messages??.php initially. [10:51:42] drors: for writing a custom skin, you might want to take a look at how the Nimbus skin does it: https://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/extensions/skins/Nimbus/ [10:54:11] ashley: awesome, thanks! I saw a mention of skins and extension, but did not find an example of this. Will try! [10:54:27] *skins as extensions [10:54:34] see http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Nimbus_skin for some documentation; feel free to ask me, too :-) [10:54:39] thanks ashley :D [10:54:52] cause skinning looks a bit obscure to me [10:55:07] lambda_x: ?? what are you asking ? ? [10:55:32] hashar: s/a bit/a lot/ [10:55:43] and the fact that stuff breaks between every release ain't helping either... [10:56:57] I think dantman wanted to rewrite the skin system [10:57:08] to make it easier to support custom skins [10:57:23] 03(mod) [SRF] 1.7 [patch]: SRF_Gallery.php Fatal error: Call to a member function addImage() line 166 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34411 +comment (10jamesin.hongkong.1) [10:58:27] hashar: obscure, indeed. Not well-documented is another mild way of putting it (yes, I'm going to improve it a bit soon, not just leaving all the work to others). I noticed dantman comments over the last couple of years, but nothing actually changed, so I guess he has other things on his mind... [10:58:37] I'm not too keen on Nimbus' metho [10:58:51] dantman: b/c? [10:58:51] It's close to mine, but feels awkwards [10:58:52] 03(mod) Narayam resources folder needs tidying up - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34296 +comment (10Michael Movchin) [10:58:52] here he is :0) [10:59:23] the skins/Nimbus/nimbus/ seams completely whacky alongside our existing skins/vector/ pattern [10:59:36] !skinning [10:59:36] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Skins>. Skin usage: . Gallery of CSS styles: . Writing your own: http://blog.redwerks.org/2012/02/08/mediawiki-skinning-tutorial/ and the historical archive [10:59:45] Second to last link for my tutorial [11:00:15] well, at least it's self-contained -- it's not meant to duplicate core completely, but rather be somewhat more sane than the pre-1.18 method (skinname/ folder in skins/ and Skinname.php in skins/) [11:00:18] The technique I've been using is basically skins/skinname/skinname.php skins/skinname/SkinName.skin.php skins/skinname/SkinName.i18n.php [11:01:14] Reedy : hi [11:02:31] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Summer_of_Code_2012, in this page could you elaborate some more about the project which states" Write a Convention extension that will turn any MediaWiki wiki into a suitable website for a conference such as Wikimania" [11:02:33] drors: ;) More like other things in front of me.... I don't have much spare time to code... and so many ideas of what I could write combined with little time to do anything doesn't help one get into big projects often. [11:02:50] 04(REOPENED) Create Proofread Page namespaces on Sanskrit Wikisource - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/32801 +comment (10John Mark Vandenberg) [11:03:06] Dantman: does $wgResourceModules['skins.myskin'] actually work for you, inside of a skin? because I went that way, and as far as I recall, it did not work (*maybe* CSS did, but not JS) [11:03:24] drors: It won't work in the file you put the class in. [11:03:49] drors: That's what the skins/skinname/skinname.php is for. The technique is basically to treat skins much like extensions. [11:04:01] dantman:yeah, I know how that goes. Enough tasks to last a lifetime :-) / :-( [11:04:01] You install the whole directory into skins/ and then require_once it. [11:04:04] Reedy : gsoc help ! [11:04:22] 03(FIXED) Malformed message when non-admin tries to delete/move main page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/30530 +comment (10Antoine "hashar" Musso) [11:04:58] drors: it is more like skinning is not that much a priority [11:05:44] The value of being inside skins/ is being in the same path you expect all skin resources to be loaded from. (This also means you can ../otherskin/ your images in stylesheets, I robbed some vector images in one of my skins). And the future plans. [11:06:04] Because we know what they are we can start working convention into code. [11:06:52] Right now you have to write everything the way you write an extension. But in the future I may start to add bits to core that will start autodetecting the conventions and you can start explicitly defining less and less. [11:08:01] Dantman: Okay, I think I get it now - you're basically doing something *like* the nimbus skin/extension, but in a more structured way. Is there an actual example of this somewhere? I don't see anything like this in vector (mw1.17) right now. [11:08:18] Well, Vector is part of core [11:08:19] 03(mod) parser should recognize "Category:+" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/29900 +comment (10markus) [11:08:36] It's not the best example but I've essentially been doing this in monaco-port [11:08:45] https://github.com/dantman/monaco-port [11:09:20] 03(mod) SVGs with no size are rendered as 512x512 and thus losing correct aspect ratio - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/19543 (10Antoine "hashar" Musso) [11:09:24] 03(mod) Rendering of malayalam fonts in SVG - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/25140 (10Antoine "hashar" Musso) [11:09:26] 03(mod) SVG rendering: stacked tspan elements rendered in incorrect order - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/17174 (10Antoine "hashar" Musso) [11:09:29] 03(mod) Colour-dependent positioning errors in SVG rasterisation - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/18936 (10Antoine "hashar" Musso) [11:09:31] 03(mod) SVG element missing when image is downsized - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/9110 (10Antoine "hashar" Musso) [11:09:36] 03(mod) SVG renderer text layout problems with nested attributes - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/32197 (10Antoine "hashar" Musso) [11:09:36] 03(mod) SVG renderer does not support the tag - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/8552 (10Antoine "hashar" Musso) [11:09:40] 03(mod) SVG rasterisation on Wikimedia sites (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/8901 (10Antoine "hashar" Musso) [11:09:40] 03(mod) Screen all previously uploaded SVG files for invalid structure - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/13196 (10Antoine "hashar" Musso) [11:09:49] dantman: thanks! any reference pointing the way is very helpful :-) [11:11:02] dantman: huh, I can't believe it took me so long to see your full nick is an anagram of your name :-) [11:11:03] 03(mod) Create Proofread Page namespaces on Sanskrit Wikisource - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/32801 (10abhivasishtaa) [11:11:16] hmmm? [11:11:24] nadir? [11:11:32] Yes. [11:12:00] Yea, sort of. It's not exactly "My" name. But it is an anagram based off "a" relevant name. [11:12:11] 03(mod) Incorrect SVG rasterisation - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/6417 (10Antoine "hashar" Musso) [11:12:13] 03(mod) Upgrade librsvg for better SVG support - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/4976 (10Antoine "hashar" Musso) [11:12:15] 03(mod) SVG image display - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/10045 (10Antoine "hashar" Musso) [11:12:17] 03(mod) Some greek characters don't render in SVG - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/8797 (10Antoine "hashar" Musso) [11:12:18] 03(mod) SVG -PNG conversion error in Wikimedia? - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/10469 (10Antoine "hashar" Musso) [11:12:24] 03(mod) Bad content type for SVG source - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/3425 (10Antoine "hashar" Musso) [11:12:26] 03(mod) Forbidding TITLE elements in uploaded SVG files is overkill - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/4388 (10Antoine "hashar" Musso) [11:12:28] 03(mod) SVG images showing as links to image description page specifically on the English Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/9677 (10Antoine "hashar" Musso) [11:12:30] 03(mod) Some SVGs from Commons are not displayed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/7580 (10Antoine "hashar" Musso) [11:12:32] 03(mod) OOM when generating thumbnail from SVG - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/15994 (10Antoine "hashar" Musso) [11:12:34] 03(mod) SVG transparency doesn't work - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/6665 (10Antoine "hashar" Musso) [11:12:36] 03(mod) Update RSVG rendering software on Wikimedia cluster - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/15115 (10Antoine "hashar" Musso) [11:12:41] 03(mod) Upgrade librsvg - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/10207 (10Antoine "hashar" Musso) [11:12:43] 03(mod) Allow xlinks to upload.wikimedia.org in SVG files - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/23377 (10Antoine "hashar" Musso) [11:12:45] 03(mod) SVG text is rendered very poorly on En.wikipedia, compared to Commons - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/17164 (10Antoine "hashar" Musso) [11:12:47] 03(mod) Missing SVG image causing fatal errors - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/10795 (10Antoine "hashar" Musso) [11:12:48] 03(mod) Install 'ttf-ubuntu-font-family' on clusters rendering SVG to PNG - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/30288 (10Antoine "hashar" Musso) [11:12:51] 03(mod) Incorrect rendering of stretched text in svg -> png conversion - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/8895 (10Antoine "hashar" Musso) [11:12:54] 03(mod) librsvg workaround for black background on Firefox printing - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/4968 (10Antoine "hashar" Musso) [11:12:58] 03(mod) Some SVGs render incorrectly - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/5163 (10Antoine "hashar" Musso) [11:13:00] 03(mod) SVG rendering bug on thumbnail - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/19182 (10Antoine "hashar" Musso) [11:13:02] 03(mod) SVG>PNG Incorrect text on path rendering - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/9420 (10Antoine "hashar" Musso) [11:13:06] 03(mod) SVG draw not show - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/24893 (10Antoine "hashar" Musso) [11:13:09] 03(mod) Hidden SVG layers should not be rendered - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/14896 (10Antoine "hashar" Musso) [11:13:11] 03(mod) Fonts are off in rasterized SVG images on wikimedia sites - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/3769 (10Antoine "hashar" Musso) [11:13:22] Hmm. Ye of the nicknames. Never could figure one out. [11:13:58] Recently I debated whether I should try registering something like frozentrench.ca [11:14:41] what is frozen trench? :D [11:15:00] Friesen -> "frozen", Trench-coat -> "trench" [11:15:06] google tells me it some isometric RPG game ala Ultima Online [11:15:19] yuvipanda : could you help me understand this a little better.. [11:16:08] yuvipanda : http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Summer_of_Code_2012,, in this page could you elaborate more on this point "Write a Convention extension that will turn any MediaWiki wiki into a suitable website for a conference such as Wikimania" [11:16:39] chughakshay16: heya. [11:16:46] sorry, I think sumanah is the right person to ask abou thtat [11:16:57] I'm clueless - haven't even checked that page out yet [11:17:07] yuvipanda : okay np :0 [11:17:10] *:) [11:17:23] yuvipanda : do you know anyone else who would ? [11:17:30] besides her [11:17:37] 03(mod) CSS rule causes blue background for chrome users - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34551 (10Antoine "hashar" Musso) [11:18:17] Dantman: make me feel feeble of mind, but did not follow the trenchcoat ref. [11:18:59] Well... no-one sees me in real life. But it's an identifying trait. I always wear a trenchcoat outside. [11:19:34] Trenchoat, Sunglasses, Umbrella; If you were to associate me with objects, that's about what you'd get. [11:19:44] Well, Canada - I can see that :-) [11:20:22] Well, it's not /exactly/ due to weather or anything... [11:21:07] Yes, but try to be associated with a trench coat here in Israel - it'd be impossible to wear it most of the year. No one will ever make that association! [11:21:20] Question : List markup in MediaWiki , How do I start a numbered list from a number that isn't '1'? [11:21:36] Though admitantly the umbrella is partially ingraned out of habbit of taking it to work every day not wanting to end up not having it the day it actually rains. [11:22:07] 03(FIXED) Vandalism cleanup on wikitech.wikimedia.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/30498 +comment (10Antoine "hashar" Musso) [11:22:14] Qcoder00: Use an explicit html

The trenchcoat... [11:22:51] Anyone? [11:23:04] * Dantman kicks Qcoder00 [11:23:06] Qcoder00: Also see http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:List#Specifying a starting value for an actual example [11:23:24] Hmm, hard of hearing, apparently. [11:25:25] 03(FIXED) Create Proofread Page namespaces on Sanskrit Wikisource - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/32801 +comment (10John Mark Vandenberg) [11:25:46] Well, back in highschool it was parkas and hoodies. IIRC one day something happened to my good parka or something and I had to put it through the wash and wear something else. I had happened to have a beige trench-coat my dad once owned but never wore. I went to school in it, got LOTS of comments about how I looked in it. When the parka was clean I switched back, and then a day or so later went right back to the trenchcoat. [11:26:23] Since then, I feel naked outside if my jacket doesn't go past my waist. [11:26:53] :-) [11:26:59] LOL, actually. [11:29:13] I have four trenchcoats. 3 black, 1 beige. One of them is very light and I like to consider it my "Summer" trench coat. Another one has a sort of fuzzy felt exterior and a suit-like interior, I dubbed my "Winter trench" coat. Sadly though everything except the last unnamed trenchcoat has torn pockets I haven't gotten around to getting mended. [11:29:26] So I'm still down to one. [11:31:17] Hmm, more than one coat? I hardly have use for one :-) [11:31:28] Well you'd switch. [11:32:16] I'd wear my that light black trenchcoat in the summer, in the fall or spring I might switch to either the beige or the unnamed trench, in the winter I'd try wearing that suit-like felt exterior one. [11:32:39] And of course if I felt I needed to wash one I'd always have another to put on. [11:33:10] I will say though... [11:33:23] I "have" actually worn two trench-coats at once. [11:33:30] ;) Winter. [11:33:39] 03(NEW) Incorrect rendering of chess board to pdf - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34562 normal; MediaWiki: Export/Import; (ubiquitous1980) [11:33:55] Again, Israel - it's the end of winter in Israel right now and temperatures are at 15 celsius, 8 at night. The coldest it got was a week ago, 2 degress at night, and if I wore a coat during the summer, I'd be baked (and not in a good way). [11:35:03] chughakshay16, look at existing conference software and try to figure out what it it and which features are needed. that proposal even contains a couple of relevant links [11:37:55] Dantman: Well, thanks for the help! and the light chitchat - working from home isn't so great some days... I actually have to go and implement this skin/extension now, because a deadline is coming up, and then see what I can do about improving the documentation (yours seem superior to what's currently available). [11:41:22] MaxSem : i have gone through those links, what i want to know about is that the current wikimania implementation was the result of an extension or was it specifically tailored for that purpose ? [11:43:23] current wikimania is raw MediaWiki, hence the request for a specialized extension [11:44:24] MaxSem : thanks, i got your point ! [11:45:37] Anyone awake? [11:45:51] I have 3 issues with mediawiki currently and need some assistance [11:45:58] go on [11:46:04] !ask [11:46:04] Hi, how can we help you? Just ask your question. [11:46:23] 1. It's not possible to format lists in wiki-markup unless they start from a postion 1. - I consider this a bug [11:46:52] 2.

syntax doesn't allow the use of template params in the conventional manner 
[11:47:36] How on earth do you have a style formulae which has different values based on params supplied to a template?
[11:47:40] 2) {{#tag:math|foo{{{bar}}}}}
[11:47:56] 3. MaxSem: Can you give me an example?
[11:48:17] Sorry..
[11:48:39] 3.  How do you do rotated labels in tables ?
[11:48:50] {{$tag:math|x^{{{1|y}}} }}
[11:48:56] #tag
[11:49:03] Hello, folks!
[11:49:23] MaxSem: Thanks
[11:49:45] I was trying to upgrade MediaWiki to the latest version, and I'm running in a few alerts/errors while trying to run the update.php script.
[11:50:04] First of all:
[11:50:07] MaxSem: The reason I was asking on 2  was because of an issue at Wikisource
[11:50:08] ALERT - script tried to disable memory_limit by setting it to a negative value -1 bytes which is not allowed
[11:50:25] is there a way i can test for if the user looking at a page can edit it so i can add editing instuctions only shown to those who actuall can use it?
[11:50:31] Could I just disregard that?
[11:50:34] Second:
[11:50:58] Fatal error: Call to a member function addMessages() on a non-object in [...]/wiki/extensions/recaptcha/ConfirmEdit.php on line 170 
[11:51:04] Qcoder00, ask in public, plz
[11:51:22] Which is apparently because I'm running an outdated implementation of reCAPTCHA.
[11:51:29] MaxSem: http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Template:OldFrac
[11:51:55] need help coding the special pages for
[11:52:00]!e TEST
[11:52:00] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:TEST
[11:52:10] What I want to do is have a template that does old style print fractions like in this http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bf/The_Cutter%27s_Practical_Guide_1898_Edition_Part_1.djvu/page14-850px-The_Cutter%27s_Practical_Guide_1898_Edition_Part_1.djvu.jpg
[11:52:13] Taskman: yes, you're using an ancient version of reCAPTCHA -- you shouldn't be using reCAPTCHA anyway, as spambots can bypass it easily. pick a better CAPTCHA, like Asirra or FancyCaptcha instead
[11:52:21] The current Frac template doesn't
[11:52:27] ashley: Yeah, I have noticed. :(
[11:52:44] MaxSem: Your suggstion above is helpful :) 
[11:52:45] How can I disable this extension to proceed?
[11:53:00] Just comment it out from LocalSettings.php?
[11:53:59] yep, comment out the extension's require_once() line from LocalSettings.php and/or any related configuration variables (though the latter isn't /needed/ per se)
[11:54:09] Also, should I reload the Mediawiki source/database from backups I made a few minutes ago, or just try executing the update again after I disabled the extension?
[11:54:37] Taskman: here are some other possibly helpful anti-spam extensions: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:SpamRegex , http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ProtectSite and http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:SimpleAntiSpam
[11:54:54] you don't need to mess around with the database when removing/disabling extensions (usually anyway)
[11:56:10] MaxSem: Your soloution did not seem to parse correctly
[11:56:12] How about memory_limit instead?
[11:56:19] MaxSem: Next suggestion?
[11:56:36] I have a mediawiki xml dump to import - Is it possible to have the pages that are not in the dump deleted ?
[11:56:51] (in the target-wiki )
[11:57:15] Right, it apparently went through. No errors this time.
[11:57:22] Now I should update anti-spam. :)
[11:58:15] Concluding what I want to do cannot be done easily due to the lack of response :(
[11:58:17] Pity
[12:01:34] New code comment: Siebrand; Additionally tested in FF3.6 on Windows, Safari and Opera on OSX.; [12:02:31] oh, lol, tchay working for wikimedia 
[12:03:21] Right well I figures you'd be more helpful but it seems you are too busy at present 
[12:07:09] Mh.
[12:07:27] domas: what is funny about tchay?
[12:07:41]

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\ Please be sure to ; [18:59:27] Hm, 156 pages on the wiki which use external link(s) to bugzilla instead of the interwiki shortcut :/ [18:59:33] 03(mod) [Regression] There should not be a mismatch between html and stylesheet version - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34504 +comment (10brion) [19:01:57] 03(mod) Editing fails in IE7 on meta.wikimedia.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34458 summary (10Rob Lanphier) [19:02:36] sumanah: volunteer help is super welcome! but we're on a really tight timeline at the moment. [19:02:41] ok [19:02:54] sumanah: once the tooling is all set up and it's a bit more user-friendly, i really want to loose the community on it [19:02:59] see what they come up with! [19:03:01] great [19:03:07] where's the code, dschoon? [19:03:44] 03(mod) [Regression] There should not be a mismatch between html and stylesheet version - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34504 +comment (10brion) [19:05:12] 03(mod) [Regression] There should not be a mismatch between html and stylesheet version - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34504 +comment (10roan.kattouw) [19:06:41] I am so shocked that wordpress's codebase is so bad [19:07:40] johnduhart: would you like a global function to go along with that? [19:08:07] ugh :p [19:08:20] sumanah: we're having problems with gerrit at the moment, so it's on my git server atm [19:08:21] Writing plugins are weird [19:08:29] include random files from random placs [19:09:22] add_action apply_filter get_user_metadata wtf [19:09:59] i remember having enough issues with the functions to create users [19:11:47] 03(FIXED) Warning: class_exists() expects parameter 1 to be string, array given in includes/logging/LogFormatter.php on line 39 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31728 +comment (10Aaron Schulz) [19:13:16] 03(mod) Add Telugu Transliteration input method to Narayam - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33480 +comment (10Veeven) [19:14:09] 03(mod) Add Telugu Transliteration input method to Narayam - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33480 +comment (10veeven) [19:15:38] chrismcmahon: go ahead and close the bugs you can't repro [19:15:53] thanks robla [19:16:21] there's been enough work on the Javascript loading issues that we have reason to believe the issues should be fixed [19:16:49] 03(mod) Users without the autopatrol right are being autopatrolled on simple.wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34503 +comment (10Aaron Schulz) [19:17:32] 03(FIXED) mw.loader.load calls document.write from asynchronous scripts - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34542 +comment (10Chris McMahon) [19:17:53] 03(mod) [Regression] There should not be a mismatch between html and stylesheet version - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34504 +comment (10brion) [19:19:34] New code comment: Brion VIBBER; This causes a regression on cached pages, as the hiding doesn't get applied on the div. bug 34504; [19:20:34] 03(mod) [Regression] There should not be a mismatch between html and stylesheet version - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34504 +comment (10brion) [19:21:01] 03(mod) Editing fails in IE7 on meta.wikimedia.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34458 +comment (10cmcmahon) [19:23:06] 03(mod) Users without the autopatrol right are being autopatrolled on simple.wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34503 (10Rob Lanphier) [19:25:55] 03(mod) [Regression] There should not be a mismatch between html and stylesheet version - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34504 +comment (10brion) [19:29:23] 03(mod) [Regression] IRC string output for log messages no longer compatible - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34508 (10Rob Lanphier) [19:30:01] 03(FIXED) monobook toolbar or vector with old toolbar not setup randomly - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34510 +comment (10Chris McMahon) [19:31:48] 03(mod) Incorrect rendering of chess board to pdf - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34562 +comment (10Brion Vibber) [19:33:13] how do I lock the wiki so only logged in users can edit? [19:33:20] !userrights [19:33:21] For information on customizing user access, see < http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:User_rights >. For common examples of restricting access using both rights and extensions, see < http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Preventing_access >. [19:38:44] 03(mod) File link-feature should not allow external links - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34541 +comment (10brion) [19:41:28] 03(mod) Text edit box encoding problem with PDF - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34540 +comment (10brion) [19:41:43] 03(mod) Text edit box encoding problem with PDF - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34540 +comment (10brion) [19:41:47] 03(mod) File link-feature should not allow external links - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34541 +comment (10seewolf) [19:44:02] !b 34508 [19:44:02] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=34508 [19:45:35] 03(FIXED) Users without the autopatrol right are being autopatrolled on simple.wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34503 +comment (10Chris McMahon) [19:51:44] 03(mod) File link-feature should not allow external links - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34541 +comment (10brion) [20:04:21] !b 34517 [20:04:22] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=34517 [20:05:22] Nightrose: hey, are there any Wikidata jobs still open? [20:05:27] hi folks....I filed bug 34517 into the general pile of Javascript malaise bugs. Chris is setting about reproducing it now [20:05:35] chrismcmahon: that is [20:06:46] I put it at highest priority under the assumption that it's a bit of a canary in a coal mine, rather than a specific use case that's very high priority [20:13:17] sumanah: afaik no [20:13:35] ok, thanks Nightrose [20:13:43] np [20:18:46] robla: eowiki just told me they have some problem reports. I'm getting them to enter bug reports now. [20:19:15] hexmode: do they have a list on their VP or elsewhere? [20:19:19]