[00:08:40] <codurr>	 03inez * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112168> 10/trunk/extensions/VisualEditor/playground/playground.js: Use flag 'isime' to correctly detect keyboard input in firefox.
[00:09:29] <sumanah>	 dschoon:  https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Engineering/Project_documentation_howto  in case Guillaume hasn't already pointed you to it.  It's some templates, etc. to make it easier for your group to easily make & maintain short updates on what you're doing
[00:17:43] <dschoon>	 sumanah: thanks! i'll check it out.
[00:23:18] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) "Enable enhanced editing toolbar" remove both old and enhanced toolbars - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34595  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[00:23:32] <k-man>	 how do i rename an old user so i can create a new user of the same name?
[00:24:00] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) words in place names in an RTL script appear in the wrong order on the maps - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34201  +comment (10brion)
[00:24:12] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Instead '\.', '.' is replace by danda - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34596  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[00:24:49] <Reedy>	 !renameuser | k-man
[00:24:49] <mw-bot>	 k-man: Renameuser provides a special page which allows authorised users to rename user accounts. See < http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Renameuser > for more details.
[00:25:34] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) [SimpleSearch] Sometimes two search suggestion boxes are rendered instead of one - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34598  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[00:26:05] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) [SF] Special:RunQuery forms should not show "Edit" links on section headings. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33812  +comment (10fastgoldfish)
[00:26:48] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) "Drop media file to donate here" sometimes silently fails - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34601  +comment (10brion)
[00:26:55] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) View contributions / recentchanges for an IP range - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/1035  +comment (10Martijn Hoekstra)
[00:26:57] <k-man>	 thanks Reedy 
[00:27:21] <k-man>	 oh, its already there!
[00:29:24] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Allow usage of mw.util in altered scope/ environment - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34603 normal; MediaWiki: Javascript; (rainerrillke)
[00:31:10] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Allow usage of mw.util in altered scope/ environment - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34603   +need-review +patch (10Rainer@Rillke.eu)
[00:31:44] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Allow usage of mw.util in altered scope/ environment - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34603  +comment (10Krinkle)
[00:33:08] <hexmode>	 chrismcmahon: something to watch out for.  haven't been able to reliably repro it, but I'm getting a spinning loader on simple.wiki on a semi-regular basis.  weird.
[00:36:02] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Special:UploadWizard loading insecure content from commons - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34599  +comment (10brion)
[00:37:24] <codurr>	 03brion * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112169> 10/trunk/phase3/resources/mediawiki/mediawiki.feedback.js:
[00:37:24] <codurr>	 bug 34599: special:uploadwizard loading insecure content from commons
[00:37:24] <codurr>	 This is in mediawiki.feedback module which is hosted in core.
[00:37:25] <codurr>	 A quick fix to load this spinner image protocol-relative. Should be replaced with CSS and a locally-hosted image.
[00:37:38] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Special:UploadWizard loading insecure content from commons - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34599  +comment (10brion)
[00:39:19] <codurr>	 03krinkle * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112170> 10/trunk/phase3/resources/mediawiki/mediawiki.util.js:
[00:39:19] <codurr>	 [mw.util] bug fix and minor clean up
[00:39:20] <codurr>	 * Fixes bug 34603 (Patch by Rainer <Rainer@Rillke.eu>) and other instances of the same bug
[00:39:20] <codurr>	 -- Use 'util' instead of 'this' to allow re-usage of the method in a different context
[00:39:21] <codurr>	 * Use ternary operator instead of the default operator in mw.util.wikiGetlink to check it for type instead of thruthy-ness (so that falsy-values such as '' work, and thruthy non-string values such as objects fail).
[00:39:25] <hexmode>	 chrismcmahon: hrm... may be a plugin... clean profile gets nothing
[00:40:16] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) Allow usage of mw.util in altered scope/ environment - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34603  -need-review -patch +reviewed; +comment (10Krinkle)
[00:40:25] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Allow usage of mw.util in altered scope/ environment - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34603  normal->minor (10Krinkle)
[00:41:14] <codurr>	 03pgehres * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112171> 10/trunk/extensions/DonationInterface/gateway_common/DataValidator.php: Updating wmfMessageExists to actully do what we want. Adding wfLangSpecificFallback
[00:42:01] <codurr>	 New code comment: Krinkle; There's also bug 33045.; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112169#c31364>
[00:43:33] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) mediawiki.feedback module should not load icon from upload.wikimedia.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33045  +comment (10Brion Vibber)
[00:43:34] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Special:UploadWizard loading insecure content from commons - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34599  (10Brion Vibber)
[00:44:16] <codurr>	 New code comment: Krinkle; Also fixes bug 33347 :); <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112170#c31365>
[00:44:39] <sumanah>	 Krinkle: RoanKattouw_away: am I right to suspect that the ResourceLoader code review that was meant to happen in February will probably not happen until after March 1st?
[00:44:53] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) type check for mw.util.wikiGetlink - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33347  +comment (10Krinkle)
[00:45:02] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Loading ext.wikieditor.toolbar should not initialize it - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34602  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[00:45:05] <sumanah>	 (I ask because this includes work that will help merge Salvatore's GSoC 2011 work in, and thus falls into my area of interest)
[00:45:26] <Krinkle>	 sumanah: which "code review that was meant to happen in Feb" ?
[00:46:42] <Krinkle>	 I wasn't on GSoC, but afaik his submission was reviewed as was any entry. But not part of core yet due to the complexity of it and possible edge cases and problems with other things that also changed in ResourceLoader recently. Too much for a single release. But it'll probably go into Gadgets 2.0 or Gadgets 2.1 right after
[00:47:04] <Krinkle>	 after 1.19 rush is gone and Roan+me can focus on Gadgets/RL2.0 again
[00:47:24] <Krinkle>	 .. which is not in core and as such doesn't need to wait for 1.19
[00:47:46] <codurr>	 New code comment: Aaron Schulz; <pre> \ - if ( $namespace < 0 ) { \ - $haveInvalidNamespaces = true; \ - continue; \ </pre> \ You replaced th; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111085#c31366>
[00:49:53] <sumanah>	 Krinkle: I was going based on https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Summer_of_Code_Past_Projects#Customization_of_Gadgets  the status of Salvatore's work -- "Code is currently in a separate branch, and awaiting merge into the Gadgets extension. Roan Kattouw is working on merging this code as part of his ResourceLoader 2 work, probably in February."  and https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Salvatore_Ingala/Notes 
[00:49:57] <sumanah>	 reading your response now
[00:50:23] <Krinkle>	 that's all I know. Deferring to Roan for more
[00:51:32] <RoanKattouw>	 Salvatore's code hasn't been reviewed much that I know of
[00:51:41] <RoanKattouw>	 It'll happen once we have more time
[00:52:17] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) mediawiki.feedback module should not load icon from upload.wikimedia.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33045  (10Brion Vibber)
[00:52:51] <sumanah>	 RoanKattouw: ok, I'll change the status on that Past Projects page, and the Roadmap.  Does March look feasible?
[00:53:00] <RoanKattouw>	 Yes
[00:53:02] <sumanah>	 ok.
[00:53:10] <RoanKattouw>	 I want to get back into the RL2 game soon
[00:53:32] <codurr>	 03brion * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112172> 10/trunk/phase3/resources/ (4 files in 2 dirs):
[00:53:32] <codurr>	 * (bug 33045) Use locally-sourced spinner image for mediawiki.feedback module instead of Commons image
[00:53:32] <codurr>	 Switched from an <img> with a hardcoded Commons link to a <span>, a stylesheet, and a locally-hosted copy of the image.
[00:54:00] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) mediawiki.feedback module should not load icon from upload.wikimedia.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33045  +comment (10Brion Vibber)
[00:54:51] <Krinkle>	 brion: nice!
[00:55:00] <Krinkle>	 can GIFs be @embedded, or would that be too large?
[00:55:13] <brion>	 if it's small enough it should embed
[00:55:19] <RoanKattouw>	 It'll silently ignore @embed if the file is too large
[00:55:21] <RoanKattouw>	 i.e. >24K
[00:55:24] <Krinkle>	 ok
[00:55:33] <Krinkle>	 RoanKattouw: that's per embed, right?
[00:55:49] <RoanKattouw>	 Yes
[00:55:57] <RoanKattouw>	 It's because IE limits the length of a data URI to 32K
[00:55:59] <Krinkle>	 marking OK
[00:56:02] <codurr>	 New code comment: Krinkle; May wanna <code>@embed</code> it.; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112172#c31367>
[00:56:16] <Krinkle>	 RoanKattouw: I also heard Opera has a different (lower) @embed limit in some versions
[00:56:17] <brion>	 i think they're finally lifting that, but i forget if it was 9 or 10
[00:56:31] <Krinkle>	 they have a character limit, strangly
[00:56:56] <Krinkle>	 https://developer.mozilla.org/en/data_URIs the Opera 11 browser limits data URIs to around 65000 characters. 
[00:57:00] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) Special:UploadWizard loading insecure content from commons - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34599  +comment (10Brion Vibber)
[00:57:37] <brion>	 i love how they limit URL length but your HTML can still be a gigabyte of tables that will explode your browser
[00:58:08] <RoanKattouw>	 but
[00:58:17] <Krinkle>	 (drumroll)
[00:58:19] <RoanKattouw>	 You can't have more than 31 <style> tags that style that huge table
[00:58:22] <Reedy>	 I was going to merge and push.. does it want the @embed first? :p
[00:58:31] <codurr>	 New code comment: Khorn (WMF); Mostly, this looks great and it probably works as-is. However, there are a couple things we can do t; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112171#c31368>
[00:58:39] <brion>	 1108 bytes, should be very embeddable
[00:58:46] <Reedy>	 RoanKattouw: who needs anything more than wikitable?
[00:58:48] <Krinkle>	 RoanKattouw: yeah, ARGH!, I just can't think how one would cause such a limit
[00:58:57] <RoanKattouw>	 Krinkle: Ie9 hasn't fixed that either
[01:00:17] <codurr>	 03krinkle * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112173> 10/trunk/phase3/resources/mediawiki/mediawiki.feedback.css: Follow-up r112172: embed
[01:00:24] <sumanah>	 ok, RoanKattouw, hope https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Roadmap#MediaWiki_infrastructure_2 and https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Summer_of_Code_Past_Projects#Customization_of_Gadgets are now accurate wrt your plans
[01:00:31] <codurr>	 New code comment: Khorn (WMF); Though, I should add that I have, on occasion, used func_get_args... but ONLY in cases where there w; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112171#c31369>
[01:00:47] <brion>	 Krinkle, ha! you edit conflicted me on svn ;)
[01:00:49] <Dantman>	 Awww... I finally have a comment for gwike and...
[01:01:09] <Krinkle>	 brion: yeah, I was expected the conflict on my end actually, but it went through
[01:01:12] <RoanKattouw>	 Yes that looks accurate
[01:01:12] <Krinkle>	 :D
[01:01:20] <RoanKattouw>	 Trying to get it all finished in March is a bit ambitious maybe
[01:01:32] <sumanah>	 RoanKattouw: go ahead and add an item in April then?
[01:01:37] <Krinkle>	 brion: Hm.. what about inline-block though, what's the fallback on that for ie6/ie7
[01:01:40] <RoanKattouw>	 We might do everything that's slated right now and leave Salvatore's stuff for after the first deploy
[01:01:42] * sumanah  is on a train, wifi is not exactly speedy

[01:01:44] <Krinkle>	 if it's inline, then it's a problem.
[01:01:49] <Krinkle>	 <span>, 
[01:02:07] <brion>	 Krinkle, hopefully the module's only used on modern browsers.... heheheh :(
[01:02:12] <RoanKattouw>	 March is probably a good goal for the original RL2 project
[01:02:16] * Krinkle  looks at the module

[01:02:18] <RoanKattouw>	 (You hear me, Krinkle? :D )
[01:02:40] <codurr>	 03reedy * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112174> 10/branches/wmf/1.19wmf1/ (5 files in 3 dirs): MFT r112169, r112172, r112173
[01:02:41] <Krinkle>	 RoanKattouw: Depends on how ambitious we'll get (if at all) with extending the design specification
[01:02:50] <Krinkle>	 RoanKattouw: You were thinking about adding gadget staging ?
[01:02:52] <brion>	 UploadWizard and VisualEditor use it...
[01:02:58] <brion>	 and.... nothing else
[01:03:22] <Krinkle>	 brion: but it's not specified in this module though. feedback dashboard is also using it I guess?
[01:03:36] <RoanKattouw>	 Krinkle: Oh, right, that
[01:03:38] <Krinkle>	 it's like 2 lines of css to support inline-block in ie6/ie7
[01:03:39] <brion>	 i see no reference to it 
[01:03:41] <RoanKattouw>	 We should probably keep that out for now as well
[01:03:59] <RoanKattouw>	 Like, complete the project as it stands currently, without Salvatore's Gadget preferences stuff and without staging stuff
[01:04:07] <RoanKattouw>	 Deploy that, then do the rest
[01:04:07] <Krinkle>	 RoanKattouw: Yeah, it's not like gadgets 2.0 would lack any feature by not doing it. It's only making the existing better.
[01:04:30] <RoanKattouw>	 aye
[01:04:43] <RoanKattouw>	 We could even announce it and specifically say we have improvements X and Y in the pipeline
[01:04:55] <RoanKattouw>	 So yeah in March I would like for you and me to push hard to get RL2 to "completion"
[01:05:00] <RoanKattouw>	 Or well, stage 1 completion I guses
[01:07:31] <Krinkle>	 RoanKattouw: Nah, we'll get all of RL2 done in March. by 'all' meaning what is officially in the design specification
[01:07:34] * Krinkle  looks up

[01:07:43] <sumanah>	 hi tfinc 
[01:08:02] <tfinc>	 sumanah: hey
[01:08:11] <RoanKattouw>	 Krinkle: That's what I meant by "stage 1" yeah
[01:08:41] * AaronSchulz  looks at the ResourceLoaderRegisterModules hook

[01:08:55] <Krinkle>	 "You've been bumped from the top 3 in Proficient level PHP by Szymon! You'll have to at least beat test's score of 670 to regain that rank."
[01:08:56] <Krinkle>	 Arg!
[01:08:57] <AaronSchulz>	 does anything use that?
[01:08:57] <sumanah>	 tfinc: just FYI I'm out of office all day tomorrow 
[01:09:22] <Krinkle>	 (Smarterer.com by the way)
[01:09:22] <tfinc>	 sumanah: umm .. ok
[01:09:22] * AaronSchulz  recalls the hooks vs global debate ;)

[01:09:36] <tfinc>	 sumanah: are you saying that because you waiting on me for something ?
[01:09:46] <sumanah>	 tfinc: oh, no, just in case you needed anything from me
[01:09:46] <Krinkle>	 AaronSchulz: Or MediaWiki:-pages for everything :)
[01:09:51] <tfinc>	 sumanah: ok
[01:09:55] <tfinc>	 thanks for the heads up
[01:09:56] <Krinkle>	 Even worse than hooks and globals in some cases
[01:09:58] <sumanah>	 tfinc: we're all Gift of the Magi over here evidently :)
[01:10:19] <tfinc>	 sumanah: actually, did you have a chance to reach out to the list of Pune devs that i passed onto you?
[01:10:20] <sumanah>	 tfinc: I am waiting on you for something though
[01:10:35] <sumanah>	 tfinc: about half of them I had already had relationships with
[01:10:45] <tfinc>	 then lets start moving with the other half :)
[01:10:53] <tfinc>	 sumanah: what are you waiting on me for?
[01:10:54] <sumanah>	 tfinc: "Re: EPUB tool?" from the 5th
[01:10:59] <tfinc>	 sumanah: k
[01:11:08] <codurr>	 03pgehres * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112175> 10/trunk/extensions/DonationInterface/gateway_common/DataValidator.php: A few little changes for khorn. FU r112171
[01:11:24] <sumanah>	 tfinc: you already sent a followup email en masse to the Pune participants, right?>
[01:14:15] <sumanah>	 tfinc: or perhaps do you have a mobile-specific email template for what I'll tell these Pune participants?  it won't happen till Friday at the earliest
[01:14:33] <sumanah>	 the git migration is scheduled for the first weekend in March and I'm leading the trainings & docs accompanying that, so there's a deadline there
[01:18:06] <codurr>	 03tparscal * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112176> 10/trunk/extensions/VisualEditor/modules/ve/es/ (nodes/ve.es.PreNode.js ve.es.Content.js ve.es.LeafNode.js): Added support for respecting new lines in pre-formatted blocks - using Shift+Enter will show this in action!
[01:19:16] <tfinc>	 sumanah: i'm happy to mail them if you have an easy way to do that
[01:19:44] <tfinc>	 better then copy and pasting email addresses from rachel
[01:19:54] <sumanah>	 tfinc: I usually just fire up Thunderbird and email each person individually, having written some boilerplate that I customize for each person
[01:19:59] <sumanah>	 it's only like 10 people
[01:21:45] <sumanah>	 ok, time to prep my talks for tomorrow
[01:22:56] <codurr>	 03pgehres * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112177> 10/trunk/extensions/DonationInterface/gateway_forms/RapidHtml.php: Updating RapidHTML after r112175 and r112171. Partial revert of r111992
[01:23:55] <codurr>	 03reedy * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112178> 10/trunk/ (8 files in 3 dirs): Swap Fran Rogers to Fran McCrory per request
[01:25:16] <codurr>	 03krinkle * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112179> 10/trunk/phase3/resources/mediawiki/mediawiki.feedback.css: Follow-up r112172: fix inline-block support for IE6/IE7
[01:26:44] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) "Drop media file to donate here" sometimes silently fails - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34601  +comment (10robla)
[01:26:51] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Allow usage of mw.util in altered scope/ environment - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34603  +comment (10rainerrillke)
[01:28:32] <codurr>	 New code comment: Khorn (WMF); Aw dang. We had several in-person conversations that are now lost to the world. Suffice it to say, I; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111992#c31370>
[01:30:02] <codurr>	 New code comment: Khorn (WMF); YAAAAAAY.; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111993#c31371>
[01:33:43] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Allow usage of mw.util in altered scope/ environment - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34603  +comment (10krinklemail)
[01:34:17] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) "Check Availability" feature for usernames at registration interface - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34447  +comment (10Étienne Beaulé)
[01:34:20] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Category history - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34597  +comment (10sam)
[01:34:27] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) "Drop media file to donate here" sometimes silently fails - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34601  +comment (10brion)
[01:36:33] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) "Check Availability" feature for usernames at registration interface - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34447  +comment (10bharris)
[01:43:47] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Add "Inverse namespaces" option to Special:Contributions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/19698  summary (10Krinkle)
[01:45:43] <pokeswap>	 what does a 
[01:45:48] <pokeswap>	 !BOM
[01:45:48] <mw-bot>	 The byte-order mark (BOM) is a special character added to files by some text editors, most notably, by Notepad. It is unnecessary and breaks PHP code. You should not use Notepad to edit PHP files. Alternatives for Windows include Notepad++, SciTE, EditPlus, and UltraEdit. See also !?>
[01:45:51] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Show byte length of revision on Special:Contributions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/24037  -bugsmash -need-review ; summary (10Krinkle)
[01:45:56] <pokeswap>	 look like
[01:46:41] <Reedy>	 You can't see it
[01:47:08] <pokeswap>	 but if i was using a hex editer what would it look like so i know what to remove 
[01:47:31] <Reedy>	 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byte_order_mark
[01:48:05] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Add 'Associated namespace' checkbox to Special:Contributions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/32512  summary (10Krinkle)
[01:57:09] <Krinkle>	 RoanKattouw_away: Lol, I just realized why there are implicit globals in JavaScript (I think)
[01:57:16] <Krinkle>	 Reading https://developer.mozilla.org/en/JavaScript/Reference/Operators/delete
[01:57:32] <Krinkle>	 since <script> and external files are executed in with (window){}, it's simply creating a window property
[01:57:41] <Krinkle>	 as it has no var prefix
[01:57:49] <Krinkle>	 with() does property creation in that case
[01:58:40] <Krinkle>	 first 2 lines of the sample under "Description"
[02:03:24] <codurr>	 03awjrichards * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112180> 10/trunk/extensions/MobileFrontend/ (3 files in 2 dirs):
[02:03:24] <codurr>	 Added the ability to dynamically generate mobile URLs using a 'mobile url
[02:03:24] <codurr>	 template'. The functionality is now present for handling mobile URL host names,
[02:03:24] <codurr>	 as well as a stub for handling paths. This has not yet been made use of anywhere
[02:03:25] <codurr>	 in the MobileFrontend code. Also added corresponding tests.
[02:04:58] <codurr>	 03yaron * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112181> 10/trunk/extensions/ApprovedRevs/ (ApprovedRevs.hooks.php ApprovedRevs.php): Renamed onArticleViewHeader() to setArticleHeader(), to be more descriptive; fixed caching when $egApprovedRevsBlankIfUnapproved is set
[02:04:59] <codurr>	 03awjrichards * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112182> 10/trunk/extensions/MobileFrontend/MobileFrontend.body.php: Followup r112056 - fixing spacing to conform to coding conventions
[02:05:32] <codurr>	 New code comment: Awjrichards; Fixed in r112182.; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112056#c31372>
[02:08:31] <going_to_bed--go>	 finally!!!
[02:10:21] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) $wgEnotifUseJobQ shouldn't unconditionally unqueue jobs - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31081  summary (10Krinkle)
[02:11:39] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Probable Javascript loading issues (navigation and tabbing issues, multiple browsers) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34450  +comment (10erik)
[02:12:09] <going_to_bed--go>	 !ignore_wikibugs
[02:12:09] <mw-bot>	 I don't know anything about "ignore_wikibugs".
[02:12:19] <going_to_bed--go>	 !ignorewikibugs
[02:12:19] <mw-bot>	 I don't know anything about "ignorewikibugs".
[02:12:28] <Krinkle>	  /ignore ?
[02:12:59] <going_to_bed--go>	  IGNORE <mask> <types..> <options..>
[02:12:59] <going_to_bed--go>	      mask - host mask to ignore, eg: *!*@*.aol.com
[02:12:59] <going_to_bed--go>	      types - types of data to ignore, one or all of:
[02:12:59] <going_to_bed--go>	              PRIV, CHAN, NOTI, CTCP, DCC, INVI, ALL
[02:12:59] <going_to_bed--go>	      options - NOSAVE, QUIET
[02:13:07] <going_to_bed--go>	 what is the mask?
[02:13:42] <Krinkle>	 a 1994 comedy starring Jim Carrey based on the comic book series
[02:13:58] <going_to_bed--go>	 ???
[02:14:46] <going_to_bed--go>	 what is the mask for codurr, what is the type for codurr what are the options for codurr
[02:16:27] <Krinkle>	 !the_mask
[02:16:27] <mw-bot>	 The Mask is a 1994 comedy starring Jim Carrey based on the comic book series.. http://enwp.org/The_Mask_%28film%29
[02:17:08] <Krinkle>	 most IRC clients resolve the host mask for you
[02:17:12] <Krinkle>	 just /ignore wikibugs
[02:17:24] <Krinkle>	 Or ignore it in your mind :)
[02:18:57] <pokeswap>	 it then tells me Usage: IGNORE <mask> <types..> <options..>
[02:18:57] <pokeswap>	      mask - host mask to ignore, eg: *!*@*.aol.com
[02:18:57] <pokeswap>	      types - types of data to ignore, one or all of:
[02:18:57] <pokeswap>	              PRIV, CHAN, NOTI, CTCP, DCC, INVI, ALL
[02:18:57] <pokeswap>	      options - NOSAVE, QUIET
[02:21:02] <p858snake|l>	  /ignore wikibugs@mchenry.wikimedia.org ALL
[02:21:18] <pokeswap>	 how about codurr?
[02:22:08] <p858snake|l>	 codurr!mwbot@willow.toolserver.org
[02:23:54] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) [[Section::...]] variables - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/1605  +comment (10sumanah)
[02:41:06] <Krenair>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Undelete&target=Category_talk%3ADiscussion_and_forum_extensions Huh. Why is that page name being targeted by spammers suddenly?
[02:42:51] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) [mw.config] wgActionPaths should be an object instead of a numeral array JavaScript - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34604 minor; MediaWiki: Javascript; (krinklemail)
[02:43:11] <wikibugs>	 03(ASSIGNED) [mw.config] wgActionPaths should be an object instead of a numeral array JavaScript - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34604  (10Krinkle)
[02:44:06] <codurr>	 03krinkle * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112183> 10/trunk/phase3/RELEASE-NOTES-1.19:
[02:44:06] <codurr>	 release-notes-1.19
[02:44:06] <codurr>	 * Update some bug summaries to clearer versions (to lessen ambiguity as to whether it describes the removed behavior or the added one).
[02:44:06] <codurr>	 * Removed "Some deprecated presentational html attributes will now be automatically
[02:44:07] <codurr>	 converted to css." duplicate entry of "Most presentational html attributes like valign are now converted to inline css style rules."
[02:44:08] <codurr>	 * Removed bug 24037, which was reverted.
[02:44:53] <Krenair>	 !b 24037
[02:44:53] <mw-bot>	 https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=24037
[02:45:48] <codurr>	 03krinkle * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112184> 10/trunk/phase3/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Bug 34604 - [mw.config] wgActionPaths should be an object instead of a numeral array JavaScript
[02:51:51] <wikibugs>	 14(DUP) Category history - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34597  +comment (10Bawolff)
[02:51:51] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Category history should show past subcategories - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/4366  +comment (10Bawolff)
[03:02:15] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Install `mono` and `xbuild` - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34605 major; Wikimedia Labs: Bots project; (krinklemail)
[03:02:20] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Install `mono` and `xbuild` - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34605  major->15enhancement (10Krinkle)
[03:02:23] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Install `mono` and `xbuild` - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34605  (10Krinkle)
[03:09:21] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Create bot-control panel for bot-operators. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34606 enhancement; Wikimedia Labs: Bots project; (krinklemail)
[03:18:42] <Dantman>	 Heh: http://shorturls.jade.redwerks.org/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fblog.redwerks.org%2F
[03:19:59] <codurr>	 03inez * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112185> 10/trunk/extensions/VisualEditor/playground/playground.js: Input implementation that seems to work in IE, FF and Chrome (all tested on Windows only)
[03:52:31] <codurr>	 New code comment: Krinkle; Alrighty. \ by the way, the alias. I meant something like this: \ <pre> \ jQuery( document ).ready( func; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111989#c31373>
[04:09:15] <Clinteger>	 hi everyone
[04:11:16] <codurr>	 New code comment: Krinkle; <pre>+ if ( $title->getNamespace() != NS_HELP || ( $action != 'view' && $action != 'purge' ) ) { </p; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110715#c31374>
[04:13:25] <Joan>	 Hi.
[04:13:26] <Joan>	 Bye.
[04:14:32] <codurr>	 New code comment: Krinkle; <pre> \ + if ( !$apiPageData['query'] ) { \ </pre> \ Use <code>isset()</code> instead to avoid PHP No; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110715#c31375>
[04:33:02] <codurr>	 New code comment: Krinkle; <pre>+ 'ccaa-heading' => '!!FUZZYY!!CC.AA.',</pre>; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110711#c31376>
[04:55:03] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Upload Wizard - The file you submitted was empty - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34387  +comment (10ineuw)
[05:02:40] <TimStarling>	 CDB is letting me down
[05:03:57] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) NoBogusUserpages without right i18n - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34607 normal; MediaWiki extensions: [other]; (hazard_sj)
[05:05:14] <TimStarling>	 I thought that since it was so simple, it would be hard to get wrong
[05:06:43] <TimStarling>	 and then I strace it and see it writing to the file 8 bytes at a time
[05:10:34] <codurr>	 03santhosh * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112186> 10/trunk/extensions/Narayam/resources/ext.narayam.rules.mr.js: Fix Bug 34596. Use . for . instead of Danda. Map \. to Danda
[05:24:57] <wikibugs>	 03(ASSIGNED) Instead '\.', '.' is replace by danda - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34596  +comment (10Santhosh Thottingal)
[05:34:10] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Instead '\.', '.' is replace by danda - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34596  +comment (10shantanoo)
[05:37:47] <Dantman>	 ^demon: Want to delete this? https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL/wiki.example.com/Page_title--difficult
[05:39:47] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) Instead '\.', '.' is replace by danda - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34596  04BLOCKER->normal (10Santhosh Thottingal)
[05:51:06] <p858snake|l>	 Dantman: there is no need to use the word "shit" repeatedly in documentation
[05:51:14] <p858snake|l>	 even if its a bad example of how to do things
[05:52:25] <Dantman>	 -_-'
[06:10:57] <Dantman>	 p858snake|l: What do you think of this error page? http://shorturls.jade.redwerks.org/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fblog.redwerks.org%2F
[06:17:36] <TimStarling>	 filed https://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=61168
[06:17:50] <TimStarling>	 will take bets on how many minutes before it's closed as "bogus"
[06:19:23] <Dantman>	 Examining the source code of fread seams to indicate that other method does in fact have a buffer...
[06:19:30] <Dantman>	 Then again... I wonder if that's actually wrong.
[06:19:59] <TimStarling>	 yeah, fread buffers, just not fwrite
[06:20:39] <Dantman>	 Ahh good... Using the same pattern in my MWCryptRand class that Drupal uses actually does have a good reason
[06:21:25] <TimStarling>	 you used stream_set_read_buffer() to avoid random pool exhaustion?
[06:21:49] <Dantman>	 Oh... no, I should look into that as well
[06:22:12] <TimStarling>	 so what pattern?
[06:23:51] <Dantman>	 I'm talking about how when reading from /dev/urandom Drupal decides to read at-minimum 4096 bytes since php would likely read something like that anyways and stores it and just uses any leftover random data the next time you call asking for random bytes
[06:25:20] <codurr>	 03pgehres * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112187> 10/trunk/extensions/DonationInterface/ (5 files in 2 dirs): Adding forms for second week of Africa testing (ET, GQ, KE, and TZ) as well as implementing new country-specific i18n file to keep the i18n files for TWN sane
[06:25:27] <Dantman>	 TimStarling:
[06:25:56] <TimStarling>	 it'll read 8192 bytes
[06:26:44] <Dantman>	 ^_^ I knew something was off, but that's nice to know.
[06:26:52] <TimStarling>	 unless it calls stream_set_read_buffer() which is only available since 5.3.3
[06:27:05] <Dantman>	 I only knew that php would max out at 8192, not that it's also the minimum it'll read.
[06:27:16] <TimStarling>	 but maybe there is a secret context option or something before that
[06:28:58] <Dantman>	 What would you suggest when 5.3.3 is available; Read something like 1024, or read the absolute minimum?
[06:30:19] <TimStarling>	 I'm not sure, does reading from /dev/urandom cause /dev/random to block?
[06:30:25] <TimStarling>	 if so I would say read the minimum
[06:31:25] <Dantman>	 From my recent reading I believe that /dev/urandom was created for the purposes of when you don't need absolutely random and can do with cryptographically strong
[06:32:24] <Dantman>	 ie: When /dev/urandom can't get enough from /dev/random to output pure randomness it uses some alorithm to generate randomness (likely based on the previous data or something) that is simply cryptographically strong.
[06:32:38] <Dantman>	 ie: It does what it can to never block waiting for pure randomness.
[06:32:49] <TimStarling>	 yeah but that implies that it will read from /dev/random until it is ready to block
[06:33:09] <TimStarling>	 which means that any actual user of /dev/random will be screwed over if there are processes reading from /dev/urandom excessively
[06:33:19] <Dantman>	 Ah... good point
[06:34:33] <Dantman>	 Hmmm... wait
[06:35:00] <Dantman>	 "A counterpart to /dev/random is /dev/urandom which reuses the internal pool to produce more pseudo-random bits. This means that the call will not block, but the output may contain less entropy than the corresponding read from /dev/random."
[06:35:27] <Dantman>	 Maybe it doesn't starve /dev/random?
[06:36:30] <codurr>	 03pgehres * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112188> 10/trunk/extensions/DonationInterface/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Tiny FU to r112187 fixing message for KE
[06:37:14] <TimStarling>	 maybe, but I would test it if I were you
[06:38:29] <Dantman>	 Ok, maybe it does
[06:38:42] <Dantman>	 https://encrypted.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=does%20urandom%20starve%20random&source=web&cd=4&ved=0CDgQFjAD&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.blackhat.com%2Fpresentations%2Fbh-usa-06%2FBH-US-06-Gutterman.pdf&ei=Lt5FT4SrMoujsQKPis3CDw&usg=AFQjCNFljkXVCLIKvKK6iJiyEfcRbYgG9w&cad=rja
[06:38:48] <Dantman>	 So yeah.
[06:39:17] <Dantman>	 Tweak the code. If stream_set_read_buffer is available, set it and try to read as little as possible.
[06:40:14] <Nikerabbit>	 morning
[06:40:20] <Dantman>	 Otherwise set the read size to at least 8192 so that we use all the data from php's buffer instead of discarding half of the data.
[06:42:20] <Dantman>	 TimStarling: What do you think of their technique for generating pesudo-random bytes when there is no access to either urandom or openssl? http://api.drupal.org/api/drupal/core!includes!bootstrap.inc/function/drupal_random_bytes/8
[06:45:33] <TimStarling>	 it's better than nothing
[06:45:52] <TimStarling>	 I've toyed with the idea of cracking mt_rand() before
[06:46:01] <Dantman>	 Heh
[06:46:31] <Dantman>	 The MWCryptRand I wrote included that same general idea.
[06:47:05] <TimStarling>	 one of the sources that PHP uses for seeding mt_rand() is its LCG random number generator
[06:47:26] <TimStarling>	 which is also used for generating session IDs so it seems to be fairly well thought out in terms of security
[06:48:05] <Dantman>	 A little different of course. print_r wasn't necessary. Included some other things available like secret key and memory use. And abused hmac instead of simple concatenation.
[06:50:22] <TimStarling>	 I'm just refreshing my memory...
[06:51:46] <TimStarling>	 yeah, so the LCG is initialised the first time it is called in a given worker thread
[06:51:54] <TimStarling>	 and the state is persistent across multiple PHP requests
[06:52:09] <TimStarling>	 it's initialised with a high-resolution timer and the PID
[06:53:33] <TimStarling>	 if you know how to trigger a server crash then both of those become a bit less random
[06:54:01] <TimStarling>	 I found I could brute-force the timer easily enough
[06:54:56] <TimStarling>	 but on a heavily trafficked server you have a lot of workers, and there's some more entropy because you don't know how many words have been generated since startup
[07:00:29] <TimStarling>	 I was looking at maybe 25 bits of entropy, but that was looking prohibitive since the attacks I was imagining required checking for a correct answer over the network
[07:00:40] <TimStarling>	 bbl
[07:21:03] <Nikerabbit>	      76 uncaught exception: TypeError: event.originalTarget.getElementsByTagName is not a function      :0
[07:21:18] <Nikerabbit>	 that's a new one lately
[07:21:23] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) Update key mapping in Narayam Gujarati transliteration - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34056  (10Santhosh Thottingal)
[07:27:40] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) TypeError: event.originalTarget.getElementsByTagName is not a function - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34608 normal; MediaWiki: Javascript; (niklas.laxstrom)
[07:34:01] <santhosh>	 hi yuvipanda
[07:34:28] <yuvipanda>	 hello santhosh 
[07:34:44] <santhosh>	 planemad is with you?
[07:34:47] <yuvipanda>	 yes
[07:34:52] <yuvipanda>	 sitting opposite to me
[07:34:58] <yuvipanda>	 want him to come on IRC?
[07:35:35] <santhosh>	 yeah, but after one hour.
[07:35:44] <yuvipanda>	 santhosh: anything specific?
[07:35:59] <santhosh>	 wanted to discuss some ux
[07:36:23] <yuvipanda>	 ah
[07:36:24] <yuvipanda>	 okay
[07:37:08] <yuvipanda>	 santhosh: his computer is checking itself, he'll come on once it's done
[07:39:24] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Message missing from i18n - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33032  +comment (10mwgrunny)
[07:40:35] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Message missing from i18n - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33032   +need-review +patch (10Grunny)
[07:47:49] <codurr>	 03wikinaut * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112189> 10/trunk/extensions/WikiArticleFeeds/ (WikiArticleFeeds.php WikiArticleFeeds_body.php): changed the extension's version string constant name (back) to a unique value, so that it hoepfully never again conflicts with the already defined wiki-global VERSION constant.
[07:49:29] <codurr>	 03maxsem * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112190> 10/trunk/extensions/MobileFrontend/ApiQueryExcerpt.php: Optional plaintext excerpts
[08:02:58] <codurr>	 03nikerabbit * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112191> 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/languages/SF_Magic.php:
[08:02:58] <codurr>	 Trying to fix Error: invalid magic word 'queryformlink'
[08:02:58] <codurr>	 Ping r111872
[08:13:53] <codurr>	 03maxsem * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112192> 10/trunk/extensions/MobileFrontend/ApiQueryExcerpt.php: Tweak cache key
[08:19:31] <codurr>	 New code comment: Wikinaut; VERSION may not be used, because it is already dsefined. Fixed in r112189 .; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112155#c31377>
[08:30:23] <freakolowsky>	 lo
[08:30:45] <planemad_>	 santhosh: hallo
[08:32:57] <santhosh>	 planemad_: hi
[08:47:25] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Create bot-control panel for bot-operators. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34606  +comment (10benapetr)
[08:54:35] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) Install `mono` and `xbuild` - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34605  +comment (10Peter Bena)
[09:11:10] <Dantman>	 ^_^ I just implemented a beautifull idea for the Short URL building tool
[09:15:23] <Nikerabbit>	 which is?
[09:18:23] <Dantman>	 Instead of just defaulting to thinking no-one with Apache has root and making everyone on a VPS e-mail me with their host so I can figure out what reverse dns tests I should add. I added a message; it still defaults to non-root. But if the detector hasn't detected an explicit root or non-root from reverse dns then it will show you a message and ask you if you have root or no root. After you sumbit that message it will save the reverse dns and option 
[09:18:48] <Dantman>	 Nikerabbit: Got any wikis on Linode, Dreamhost, etc...?
[09:20:14] <Nikerabbit>	 no
[09:43:28] <codurr>	 03oren * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112193> 10/trunk/lucene-search-3/src/test/java/org/wikimedia/lsearch/analyzers/ (AcronymFilterTest.java CJKAnalyzerTest.java package.html): cleanup and fix line delimiter issues
[09:45:39] <codurr>	 03oren * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112194> 10/trunk/lucene-search-3/pom.xml: version changes to pom
[09:48:27] <Dantman>	 Nikerabbit: Want to try the tool out?
[09:51:08] <Nikerabbit>	 don't understand what it does
[09:51:15] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) new extension: "Offline" database driver reads articles.xml.bz2 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/27580  (10Adam Wight)
[09:53:58] <Snooops>	 Hi
[09:54:12] <Snooops>	 i have some problems with mod_rewrite
[09:56:10] <Dantman>	 @_@ XML is insane
[09:56:55] <Dantman>	 My LibXML code exploded when there was a \n right before the xml declaration
[09:57:05] <Dantman>	 Snooops: You'd better give more details
[09:57:13] <Snooops>	 yeah i know
[09:57:21] <Snooops>	 im thinking about how to explain
[09:57:58] <Dantman>	 Nikerabbit: You give it the url of your freshly installed wiki, and it helps you configure the short urls
[09:59:39] <Snooops>	 i have an older version of mediawiki (1.16.1) and i wanted to upgrade to the neweset stable (1.18.1). The problem i have is: there is some kind of url rewrite in 1.16.1 but i cant find any similar .htaccess or apache configuration to do this
[09:59:46] <Snooops>	 any idea where i can find this configuration?
[10:00:04] <Snooops>	 The url looks liek mediawiki/index.php/Mainpage
[10:00:09] <Dantman>	 Oh...
[10:00:19] <Dantman>	 That, that's native to Apache
[10:00:25] <Nikerabbit>	 Dantman: and how does it do that?
[10:01:45] <Snooops>	 what do you mean with native?
[10:02:52] <Dantman>	 Nikerabbit: You give it a url, it fetches it, finds the EditRSD, parses out the location of the api, queries for information like the sapi, your script path, the Server: header, etc... and auto-detects as much as possible. Then given the server type, other bits of information, and the information I've loaded it with on how to construct config files for different types of server setups it gives you a custom configration that should work with the paths
[10:03:14] <Snooops>	 ??
[10:03:18] <Dantman>	 I even try to use reverse dns to see if you're on a VPS with root access
[10:03:22] <Dantman>	 Snooops: That was for Nikerabbit
[10:04:45] <Dantman>	 Snooops: By native I mean that Apache's mod_php implicitly treads mediawiki/index.php/*** as a request to mediawiki/index.php, it's the PATH_INFO feature...
[10:05:44] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) jQuery UI Datepicker div visible - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34609 normal; MediaWiki: Javascript; (rainerrillke)
[10:08:46] <Snooops>	 ok i get that, but why dont works the 1.18 anymore? im just getting a white page with no content
[10:10:13] <Dantman>	 Well, that doesn't sound like it not working. That sounds like you have a php error unrelated to this whole thing.
[10:10:16] <Dantman>	 !blankpage
[10:10:16] <mw-bot>	 A blank page or HTTP 500 error usually indicates a fatal PHP error. For information on debugging (including viewing errors), see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:How_to_debug>.
[10:10:31] <Dantman>	 Snooops: Look at your error logs
[10:11:58] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Add title index to backup dumps - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/27618  +comment (10spam)
[10:15:31] <snooops>	 narf sry im back :D yes i will have a look at the error log
[10:16:53] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Add title index to backup dumps - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/27618  +comment (10ariel)
[10:20:26] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Usability: label element in replace of span around checkboxes and radio buttons - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34610 normal; MediaWiki extensions: SemanticForms; (spam)
[10:27:38] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Usability: label element in replace of span around checkboxes and radio buttons - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34610  (10Niklas Laxström)
[10:33:27] <codurr>	 03oren * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112195> 10/trunk/lucene-search-3/src/main/java/org/wikimedia/lsearch/analyzers/ReusableLanguageAnalyzer.java: API upgrade necessitated by the deprecated next() methods
[10:33:54] <codurr>	 03oren * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112196> 10/trunk/lucene-search-3/src/main/java/org/wikimedia/lsearch/analyzers/Aggregate.java: API upgrade necessitated by the deprecated next() methods
[10:49:04] <snooops>	 Dantman, i dont get any php errors...
[10:49:12] <Dantman>	 your wiki?
[10:49:33] <snooops>	 what do you mean? version?
[10:49:36] <Dantman>	 url
[10:49:42] <snooops>	 sry its private
[10:50:13] <snooops>	 thats the url its building if you call domain.com/mediawiki -> domain.com/mediawiki/index.php/Hauptseite
[10:50:17] <snooops>	 and this site is blank
[10:50:56] <Dantman>	 ...why do we get so many people in here with issues with private wikis
[10:52:09] <Dantman>	 snooops: Try setting $wgUsePathInfo = false; and going back to the /mediawiki/ url to test
[10:53:52] <snooops>	 no it builds just mediawiki/index.php/
[10:53:55] <snooops>	 now
[10:54:18] <snooops>	 no, sorry
[10:54:33] <snooops>	 the url looks fine, but its still a blank page :D
[10:55:12] <Dantman>	 mediawiki/index.php?title=Hauptseite ?
[10:56:41] <snooops>	 no just mediawiki/
[10:57:59] <Dantman>	 index.php always redirects unknown urls to the mainpage url
[10:58:12] <Dantman>	 If there's no redirect then it definitely sounds like a php error
[11:00:25] <snooops>	 yes there was an error
[11:00:33] <snooops>	 now its like index.php?title=Hauptseite
[11:10:27] <_denis_>	 hi, i would like to confirm e-mail address for existants users. How can i do this in the database ?
[11:18:01] <codurr>	 New code comment: Helder.wiki; Shoudn't this be marked as a followup to r80036?; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/90605#c31378>
[11:19:44] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Image on Commons is not displayed in a generated PDF file - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34611 normal; Wikimedia Tools: [Other]; (Juergen.Thomas)
[11:23:03] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Image on Commons is not displayed in a generated PDF file - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34611  (10p858snake)
[11:47:50] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Populating red-linked pages automatically broken - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34612 normal; MediaWiki extensions: SemanticForms; (mitchell_neill)
[11:53:11] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Image on Commons is not displayed in a generated PDF file - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34611  +comment (10Ralf Schmitt)
[12:07:02] <codurr>	 New code comment: Hashar; Thanks Raymond!; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112100#c31379>
[12:16:52] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Pipe escape enhancement - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34613 normal; MediaWiki extensions: SemanticForms; (mitchell_neill)
[12:21:46] <codurr>	 New code comment: Krinkle; Thx, done; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/90605#c31380>
[12:26:15] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) enwiki: Limit non-autoconfirmed users to creating two new accounts in a 24 hour period - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/32234  (10mabdul)
[12:33:46] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Pipe escape enhancement - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34613  +comment (10mitchell_neill)
[12:34:39] <codurr>	 03jeroendedauw * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112197> 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/includes/ (SMW_ParseData.php dataitems/SMW_DI_Property.php): fix bug 34499, follow up r111407
[12:34:54] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Pipe escape enhancement - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34613  +comment (10dvdgmz)
[12:36:27] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) SemanticMediaWiki: r111407 breaks creating new pages. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34499  +comment (10jeroen_dedauw)
[12:40:04] <potter>	  
[12:43:34] <codurr>	 03jeroendedauw * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112198> 10/trunk/extensions/LiveTranslate/includes/LiveTranslate_Functions.php: Follow up to r111132; up compat code as well
[12:49:30] <wikibugs>	 03(ASSIGNED) Include language name placeholder in message livetranslate-translate-to - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/26845  +comment (10Jeroen De Dauw)
[12:50:21] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) PAGESINCATEGORY should differentiate between pages and subcategories - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/14237  +comment (10Jarek Tuszynski)
[12:56:38] <codurr>	 03amire80 * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112199> 10/trunk/extensions/Narayam/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Added Ahirani support.
[13:07:29] <wikibugs>	 04(REOPENED) [SF] 2.4; Add new parser function #queryformlink - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34309  +comment (10f.trott)
[13:12:29] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Pipe escape enhancement - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34613  +comment (10mitchell_neill)
[13:14:50] <codurr>	 03amire80 * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112200> 10/trunk/extensions/Narayam/Narayam.i18n.php: Follow up to r112119, corrected typo.
[13:16:07] <codurr>	 03jeroendedauw * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112201> 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticResultFormats/Gallery/ (3 files in 2 dirs): slightly modified patch by MWJames from bug 34411
[13:16:09] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) [SRF] 1.7 [patch]: SRF_Gallery.php introduce new parameter galleryformat for jcarousel plug-in - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34411  +comment (10MWJames)
[13:17:02] <codurr>	 New code comment: Nikerabbit; CreatePage special page name is already in use.; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111749#c31381>
[13:17:17] <codurr>	 New code comment: Nikerabbit; CreatePage special page name is already in use by Uniwiki extensions.; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110692#c31382>
[13:21:46] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) [SRF] 1.7 [patch]: SRF_Gallery.php introduce new parameter galleryformat for jcarousel plug-in - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34411  +comment (10Jeroen De Dauw)
[13:22:34] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) [SF] 2.4; Add new parser function #queryformlink - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34309  +comment (10jamesin.hongkong.1)
[13:22:44] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) [SRF] 1.7 [patch]: SRF_Gallery.php introduce new parameter galleryformat for jcarousel plug-in - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34411  +comment (10jeroen_dedauw)
[13:22:55] <wikibugs>	 04(REOPENED) [SRF] 1.7 [patch]: SRF_Gallery.php introduce new parameter galleryformat for jcarousel plug-in - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34411  (10Jeroen De Dauw)
[13:23:03] <wikibugs>	 03(ASSIGNED) [SRF] 1.7 [patch]: SRF_Gallery.php introduce new parameter galleryformat for jcarousel plug-in - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34411  (10Jeroen De Dauw)
[13:25:32] <codurr>	 New code comment: Nikerabbit; BOM added to PHP/JS files.; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112201#c31383>
[13:25:46] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Feature request: Upload refuses if no file-extension is specified - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/29789  +comment (10Bagariavivek)
[13:26:16] <codurr>	 New code comment: Nikerabbit; PHP and CSS files*; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112201#c31384>
[13:30:46] <codurr>	 New code comment: MWJames; For all non-developers what is the issue here. Since I have to provided a new patch anyway please ex; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112201#c31385>
[13:34:45] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) [SF] 2.4; Add new parser function #queryformlink - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34309  +comment (10f.trott)
[13:38:15] <snooops>	 hey im back :D
[13:38:20] <snooops>	 and i have some errors :D
[13:38:51] <snooops>	 it seems that the FCKeditor producing some trouble
[13:39:06] <snooops>	 is that a plugin for mediawiki or builtin?
[13:48:42] <codurr>	 03jeroendedauw * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112202> 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMaps/includes/queryprinters/SM_KMLPrinter.php: bug 34460
[13:48:54] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) PHP warning from KMLPrinter - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34460  +comment (10Jeroen De Dauw)
[13:51:35] <MaxSem>	 snooops, FCKEditor is a separate extension, and looks like it's not being worked on any more
[13:52:23] <codurr>	 03jeroendedauw * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112203> 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/includes/SMW_Infolink.php: fix encoding issue
[13:52:46] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) PHP warning from KMLPrinter - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34460  +comment (10jeroen_dedauw)
[13:55:37] <potter>	 i wanted to use wikilove in my localhost wiki.I folowed the steps mention in the extension page.The last step is to activate it from lab features
[13:55:54] <potter>	 But i m not able to find lab features in Myprefernece->editing
[14:01:25] <wikibugs>	 14(WFM) NoBogusUserpages without right i18n - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34607  +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[14:03:05] <codurr>	 03jeroendedauw * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112204> 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticResultFormats/Gallery/resources/ext.srf.jcarousel.css: rem BOM, follow up r112201
[14:03:19] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Add support for KML/KMZ filetype - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/26059  +comment (10Jess)
[14:03:46] <codurr>	 New code comment: Jeroen De Dauw; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byte_order_mark; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112201#c31386>
[14:04:32] <codurr>	 New code comment: Jeroen De Dauw; Maybe I failed, but did not find it in SRF_Gallery.php; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112201#c31387>
[14:09:56] <codurr>	 03nikerabbit * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112205> 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticResultFormats/Gallery/SRF_Gallery.php: Removed BOM and stylize, ping r112201
[14:19:55] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Pipe escape enhancement - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34613  +comment (10yaron57)
[14:25:13] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) test - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34614  +comment (10Michael Movchin)
[14:25:26] <chughakshay16>	 one question :- can we create wiki pages programmatically ??
[14:25:42] <wikibugs>	 03(VERIFIED) test - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34614  +comment (10Michael Movchin)
[14:26:01] <wikibugs>	 04(REOPENED) test - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34614  (10Michael Movchin)
[14:26:13] <Reedy>	 !api | chughakshay16
[14:26:13] <mw-bot>	 chughakshay16: The MediaWiki API provides direct, high-level access to the data contained in the MediaWiki databases. Client programs should be able to use the API to login, get data, and post changes. Find out more at <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/API>. For client libraries in various languages, see <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/API:Client_Code>.
[14:26:24] <hexmode>	 Krinkle: is there a change with adonloadhook's use in MW:Common.js ?
[14:26:36] <Krinkle>	 Nope
[14:26:39] <wikibugs>	 03(WONTFIX) test - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34614  (10Michael Movchin)
[14:26:42] <chughakshay16>	 what if i want to do it from the extension ?
[14:26:43] <Krinkle>	 addOnloadHook should still work as before
[14:26:54] <Krinkle>	 although it's deprecated in favor of $(document).ready
[14:27:02] <Krinkle>	 and has been since 1.17
[14:27:04] <hexmode>	 Krinkle: eowiki says the sign for hidden cats isn't showing now and it looks like the func to do it is in MW:Common.js
[14:27:25] <Krinkle>	 might have to do with the function itself rather than the way or moment it is exeecuted
[14:27:29] <wikibugs>	 03(VERIFIED) test - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34614  (10Michael Movchin)
[14:27:32] <chughakshay16>	 @Reedy : can we do the same from the extension but without using the API ?
[14:27:37] <Krinkle>	 link?
[14:27:50] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) test - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34614  normal->04CRIT (10Michael Movchin)
[14:27:52] <Reedy>	 chughakshay16: yup, even more esily
[14:27:56] <Reedy>	 you could use the api if you wanted though
[14:28:50] <hexmode>	 Krinkle: is changing innerHTML a problem?
[14:28:56] <Krinkle>	 might be
[14:28:58] <Krinkle>	 link please
[14:29:04] <chughakshay16>	 @Reedy : ty 
[14:29:07] <hexmode>	 https://eo.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki%3ACommon.js&diff=4112255&oldid=4034669
[14:29:07] <chughakshay16>	 :)
[14:29:13] <hexmode>	 oh, no diff
[14:29:19] <Krinkle>	 ok
[14:29:27] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Default=now does not work with "Creates pages with form" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34549  +comment (10mitchell_neill)
[14:29:43] <hexmode>	 look for "hiddencat"
[14:30:22] <codurr>	 03amire80 * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112206> 10/trunk/extensions/Narayam/Narayam.php: Follow up to 112199, fixed dependency.
[14:33:40] <Krinkle>	 hexmode: I just removed 4KB from their common.js btw
[14:33:49] <Krinkle>	 no-op code from before 1.16 and https
[14:34:17] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) [SRF] 1.7 [patch]: SRF_Gallery.php introduce new parameter galleryformat for jcarousel plug-in - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34411  +comment (10jamesin.hongkong.1)
[14:34:18] <hexmode>	 !
[14:35:01] <hexmode>	 Krinkle: maybe that fixed it?  Testing
[14:35:02] <Reedy>	 lolol
[14:35:11] <Krinkle>	 hexmode: nah, probably not
[14:35:21] <hexmode>	 I dream big
[14:35:43] <Krinkle>	 document.getElementById('mw-hidden-catlinks') is (one of the) problems I see though
[14:35:45] <Krinkle>	 that no longer exists
[14:35:53] <Krinkle>	 oh nevermind
[14:36:06] <Krinkle>	 hexmode: Link to an example article where it should do something?
[14:36:19] <Krinkle>	 I could find it but I goes you already have a candidate
[14:36:23] <hexmode>	 Krinkle: 1s
[14:36:56] <hexmode>	 https://eo.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alto_Solim%C3%B5es
[14:37:10] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) test - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34614  (10Michael Movchin)
[14:37:59] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Disable Moodbar on Tamil Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34615 critical; Wikimedia: Site requests; (srik.lak)
[14:38:00] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Tamil Wiki projects (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/32578  (10Srikanth Logic)
[14:40:08] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) Enable FlaggedRevs on Ukrainian Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33273  +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[14:41:26] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) Disable Moodbar on Tamil Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34615  +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[14:41:48] <hexmode>	 Krinkle: mw-hidden-catlinks still exists on eowiki, is it going away in 1.20?
[14:41:52] <Krinkle>	 mno
[14:41:54] <Krinkle>	 no
[14:42:01] <Krinkle>	 I was looking at an article without hidden cats
[14:42:07] <Krinkle>	 and part of the function returned null, but that's OK
[14:42:11] <hexmode>	 kk
[14:42:20] <Krinkle>	 it's not supposed to work by design on a page without hidden cats :D
[14:42:30] <hexmode>	 :)
[14:42:40] <sakthi>	 does mediawiki use a template system for html 
[14:43:17] <hexmode>	 sakthi: http://blog.redwerks.org/2012/02/08/mediawiki-skinning-tutorial/
[14:44:19] <wikibugs>	 03(WONTFIX) Moodbar on ta.wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34560  +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[14:45:09] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) Set wgBabelMainCategory to false for dewiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34570  +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[14:47:43] <hexmode>	 Krinkle: I don't see eowiki's MW:Common.js loaded when I'm anonymous?
[14:47:47] <hexmode>	 WTF?
[14:48:01] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) Set $wgLogo value for fawikisource - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34476  +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[14:50:16] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Putting ArticleFeedback for all articles on the Lusophone Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34441  +comment (10sam)
[14:53:09] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) Modify the URL to upload files in eswiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34566  +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[14:55:26] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) New aliases for ko.wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34407  (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[14:55:42] <hexmode>	 hrm... I saw this last night on eowiki... now I'm seeing it on commons
[14:56:20] <hexmode>	 pages with that keep the loader spinning
[14:57:32] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) New aliases for ko.wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34407  +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[14:57:45] <wikibugs>	 04(REOPENED) test - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34614  (10Michael Movchin)
[14:59:38] <wikimanz>	 does anyone know of a variable that can be used to output the direct parent page of a subpage
[15:00:20] <wikimanz>	 most variables give out the full parent page name not just the direct parent page name
[15:00:55] <wikimanz>	 I asked jeoren and he directed me to the webchat if anyone knows how to
[15:01:25] <Reedy>	 !magicwords
[15:01:25] <mw-bot>	 For more information about creating magic words and their inner workings, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Magic_words>. For a list of magic words, please see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Magic_words>.
[15:01:53] <Reedy>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Magic_words#Page_names
[15:02:31] <wikimanz>	 i tried both
[15:03:06] <wikimanz>	 closest I got was {{BASEPAGENAME}} but that still output full paren tpage 1/2 rather than 2 in a 1/2/3 subpage
[15:03:09] <Reedy>	 {{BASEPAGENAME}}
[15:03:19] <Reedy>	 Page title excluding the current subpage and namespace ("Title/foo" on "Title/foo/bar").
[15:03:39] <wikimanz>	 exactly what i want is foo in that case without title
[15:04:12] <wikimanz>	 for page bar the direct parent page is foo although the full parent page would be title/foo, trying to get variable that outputs foo
[15:04:14] <Reedy>	 "For more complex splitting, use {{#titleparts:}} from ParserFunctions extension."
[15:06:24] <Krinkle>	 hexmode: I think I found it
[15:06:38] <hexmode>	 Krinkle: go on...
[15:06:53] <Krinkle>	 <a onclick="javascript:toggleHiddenCats();" 
[15:07:07] <Krinkle>	 function toggleHiddenCats() { .. }
[15:07:15] <Krinkle>	 toggleHiddenCats is a local function, not a global one
[15:07:20] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Change sitename and a namespace for Inuktitut Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34401  (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[15:07:20] <Krinkle>	 it can't accessed from the element directly
[15:07:24] <Krinkle>	 needs to be window. toggleHiddenCats = function() {}
[15:07:31] <Krinkle>	 or $(..).click( toggleHiddenCats )
[15:07:35] <wikimanz>	 reedy thanks for the info, i will try that, it seems it might work, lets see what krinkle found also
[15:07:53] <Krinkle>	 wikimanz: Are you active on eo.wiki ?
[15:08:14] <hexmode>	 Krinkle: AVRS is who I was talking to
[15:08:23] <Krinkle>	 k
[15:08:27] <wikimanz>	 no actually i'm not
[15:08:36] <wikimanz>	 ow ok
[15:09:04] <wikimanz>	 in that case @Reedy thanks for the info!
[15:09:52] <ries>	 Hello! I have a question
[15:10:04] <ries>	 if I look at this page : http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Google_Analytics_Integration how do I know if it still works with the latest mediawiki?
[15:10:13] <hexmode>	 Krinkle: is this behavior that may have changed with 1.19?
[15:10:16] <ries>	 it's states 1.11+, but is that garanteed?
[15:10:21] <Krinkle>	 hexmode: no, that was 1.17
[15:10:24] <Krinkle>	 or even earlier
[15:10:26] <Reedy>	 ries: lol, nope
[15:10:35] <Krinkle>	 hexmode: not race/load order related
[15:10:42] <hexmode>	 k
[15:10:45] <Krinkle>	 hexmode: fixing it though
[15:10:50] <hexmode>	 :)
[15:10:52] <Krinkle>	 and leaving talk page msg
[15:11:27] <hexmode>	 another problem I found on commons: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki_talk:AnonymousI18N.js#Error_with_debug.3Dtrue_on_Main_Page
[15:11:57] <ries>	 Reedy: Sooo… how does this work then?
[15:12:37] <Reedy>	 Try it and see
[15:12:40] <Reedy>	 Unfortunately
[15:13:19] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Pipe escape enhancement - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34613  +comment (10mitchell_neill)
[15:18:54] <ries>	 Reedy: that's a bit of a problem of course… I just tested it, and even on the wikipage I can just change it
[15:19:13] <ries>	 So, extension are not controlled by something where emedia wiki can say 'this extension will work for me, that will not work' ?
[15:23:23] <codurr>	 03maxsem * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112207> 10/trunk/extensions/MobileFrontend/MobileFrontend.body.php: Follow-up r106297: spacing fixes
[15:24:31] <codurr>	 New code comment: MaxSem; Wrong revision mentioned, should be r112180.; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112207#c31388>
[15:25:43] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) #set does not handle strings with underscores - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34575  +comment (10mitchell_neill)
[15:26:10] <codurr>	 03jdlrobson * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112208> 10/trunk/extensions/MobileFrontend/ (4 files in 3 dirs):
[15:26:10] <codurr>	 use javascript to generate buttons for expandable sections
[15:26:10] <codurr>	 update fixtures so that buttons are not initially in html
[15:26:10] <codurr>	 and are added by the javascript code
[15:26:11] <codurr>	 I believe this resolves #34422
[15:27:27] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) MobileFrontend's expandable sections should be pure-JS - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34422  +comment (10Jon)
[15:27:27] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) test - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34614  +comment (10Elsensee)
[15:35:28] <codurr>	 03preilly * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112209> 10/trunk/extensions/MobileFrontend/tests/MobileFrontendTest.php: fix broken test
[15:45:31] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) test - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34614  +comment (10vgweb)
[15:47:16] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) Change sitename and a namespace for Inuktitut Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34401  +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[15:52:34] <vvv>	 Reedy: JFYI, there should be no issues now with closing ruwiki namespace bug
[15:54:03] <Krenair>	 Who is Reach Out to the Truth on IRC?
[15:54:45] <codurr>	 03jdlrobson * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112210> 10/trunk/extensions/MobileFrontend/ (5 files in 2 dirs):
[15:54:45] <codurr>	 javascript cleanup
[15:54:45] <codurr>	 add tooltip to clear search button in html
[15:54:45] <codurr>	 remove trailing whitespace
[15:54:46] <codurr>	 remove unused javascript variables
[15:54:55] <srikanthlogic>	 preilly: how can i get the image along the text here http://ta.m.wikipedia.org/ . 
[15:55:03] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) SemanticMediaWiki: r111407 breaks creating new pages. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34499  +comment (10van.de.bugger)
[15:55:12] <srikanthlogic>	 preilly: is it something we are doing wrong / bug in mobile frontend ?
[15:57:16] <preilly>	 srikanthlogic: not a bug
[15:57:25] <srikanthlogic>	 preilly: how can i get it right ?
[15:57:26] <preilly>	 srikanthlogic: you just need to use css 
[15:57:39] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) SemanticMediaWiki: r111407 breaks creating new pages. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34499  +comment (10Jeroen De Dauw)
[15:57:43] <preilly>	 srikanthlogic: look at how the other sections are correct
[15:58:03] <preilly>	 srikanthlogic: and mimic that logic
[15:58:38] <srikanthlogic>	 preilly: will check out , or poke if i need help.. thanks!
[16:04:34] <codurr>	 03maxsem * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112211> 10/trunk/extensions/MobileFrontend/tests/MobileFormatterTest.php: Hack for carriage returns on Windows
[16:04:53] <codurr>	 03jeroendedauw * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112212> 10/trunk/extensions/EducationProgram/ (includes/EPRoleObject.php specials/SpecialEnroll.php): fix issue not correctly fixed by r112126
[16:09:39] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Invisible fields and buttons on the edit dialog - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34616 minor; Huggle: Application; (vgweb)
[16:10:04] <codurr>	 03jdlrobson * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112213> 10/trunk/extensions/MobileFrontend/templates/SearchTemplate.php:
[16:10:04] <codurr>	 add file missing from r112210
[16:10:04] <codurr>	 this file was overlooked. adding now.
[16:12:07] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Invisible fields and buttons on the edit dialog - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34616  (10Michael Movchin)
[16:14:08] <codurr>	 03yonishostak * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112214> 10/trunk/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5/modules/jquery.articleFeedbackv5/ (2 files): AFTv5: commit for today's push to prototype
[16:14:08] <Reedy>	 vvv: cheers, I was going to ask
[16:15:32] <mmovchin>	 hexmode you don't have a cloak? :o
[16:16:43] <hexmode>	 1s while I put it on
[16:16:54] <mmovchin>	 better
[16:16:55] <mmovchin>	 :)
[16:17:09] <mmovchin>	 hexmode, we finished testing now and we set up everything
[16:17:14] <mmovchin>	 Could you please delete https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=34614
[16:17:30] <mmovchin>	 I just need to assign all our developers and beta testes to the huggle group
[16:17:48] <hexmode>	 mmovchin: I can't really delete bugs, but I'll can make it virtually invisible
[16:18:01] <Reedy>	 If it's a test bug, why does it matter?
[16:18:58] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Add all extensions used by WMF to Jenkins - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34617 major; Wikimedia: Testing Infrastructure; (maxsem.wiki)
[16:20:32] <Reedy>	 MaxSem: that almost feels dupey
[16:20:54] <Reedy>	 hexmode: isn't a huggle group just making a barrier to entry?
[16:21:02] <MaxSem>	 I searched before submitting it. oh well
[16:21:40] <Reedy>	 MaxSem: might just be we had some specific bugs to add X and Y extensions
[16:21:43] <hexmode>	 Reedy: yeah, I don't think we're doing groups
[16:21:50] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Add all extensions used by WMF to Jenkins - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34617  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[16:24:07] <Ulfr>	 Good morning all :)
[16:25:20] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Please add cross-wiki talk page notification. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/1066  (10Krenair)
[16:25:31] <Ulfr>	 Is there a guide available anywhere for installing Twinkle on a separate wiki?
[16:25:57] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Enable Kannada Transliteration by default - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34591  +comment (10srik.lak)
[16:28:37] <codurr>	 03jeroendedauw * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112215> 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticResultFormats/Gallery/ (3 files in 2 dirs): bug 34411 patch by MWJames, somewhat modified
[16:29:52] <codurr>	 03jeroendedauw * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112216> 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticResultFormats/Gallery/SRF_Gallery.php: use params field, not m_params
[16:32:55] <Ulfr>	 exit
[16:33:29] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) [SRF] 1.7 [patch]: SRF_Gallery.php introduce new parameter galleryformat for jcarousel plug-in - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34411  +comment (10Jeroen De Dauw)
[16:44:14] <codurr>	 03jeroendedauw * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112217> 10/trunk/extensions/EducationProgram/includes/EPArticleTable.php: fix layout bug
[16:44:39] <codurr>	 03emsmith * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112218> 10/trunk/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5/api/ApiFlagFeedbackArticleFeedbackv5.php: bug 34090 - make sure the name are right for hidden/unhidden logging (argh)
[16:54:35] <codurr>	 03jeroendedauw * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112219> 10/trunk/extensions/EducationProgram/sql/EducationProgram.sql: index fix: multiple users can work on the same article for the same course
[17:00:12] <codurr>	 03jeroendedauw * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112220> 10/trunk/extensions/EducationProgram/api/ApiEnlist.php: fixed removal auth check
[17:00:46] <codurr>	 New code comment: SPQRobin; {{messagedocumentation}}; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111953#c31389>
[17:02:20] <codurr>	 03yonishostak * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112221> 10/trunk/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5/modules/jquery.articleFeedbackv5/jquery.articleFeedbackv5.special.js: AFTv5: fix bug in un-oversight
[17:03:10] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Install MoodBar on fr.wikisource - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34618 normal; Wikimedia: Extension setup; (thomaspt)
[17:04:36] <Krinkle>	 hexmode: eo.wiki bug fixze
[17:06:55] <Krinkle>	 hexmode: clear cache and see https://eo.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alto_Solim%C3%B5es
[17:07:30] <hexmode>	 Krinkle: \o/
[17:07:36] <Nikerabbit>	 wassup
[17:08:45] <hexmode>	 Krinkle: what about the commons one?
[17:08:49] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Add all extensions used by WMF to Jenkins - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34617  +comment (10maxsem.wiki)
[17:08:50] <Krinkle>	 dunno
[17:08:52] <hexmode>	 eowiki works, though
[17:09:33] <Krinkle>	 hexmode: quite a few fixes on eowiki actually
[17:09:44] <shantanoo>	 hi, how can i find the details of given user using api? e.g. number of edits, edits in last x days, etc.
[17:09:45] <Krinkle>	 I'll run the Tour on it now, so that I can mark it as done on the list
[17:09:53] <Krinkle>	 i'm half-way now anyway
[17:10:24] <shantanoo>	 logged in user info can be found using - .../w/api.php?action=query&meta=userinfo&uiprop=blockinfo|groups|rights|hasmsg|editcount
[17:10:48] <chrismcmahon>	 Krinkle: I'm interested, what is "the Tour"?
[17:11:18] <hexmode>	 chrismcmahon: tour de wiki
[17:11:28] <hexmode>	 chrismcmahon: I can get you more info
[17:11:31] <Krinkle>	 chrismcmahon: It's an initiative I created to go through all wikimedia-wikis and check them for css/js errors 
[17:11:55] <Krinkle>	 chrismcmahon: Triggered when we upgraded to 1.17 and 1.18 in which certain js behaviors were deprecated
[17:12:14] <codurr>	 03maxsem * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112222> 10/trunk/extensions/MobileFrontend/ (3 files): Killed all the vestiges of server-side expandable sections after r112208
[17:12:14] <Krinkle>	 looks like many wikis have broken javascript, even broken without upgrade deprecations. but just in general broken javascript that never worked at all
[17:12:19] <Krinkle>	 copy/paste errors from all over the place
[17:12:45] <Krinkle>	 so far most js pages on mw installations I've seen was not written for the project but ripped from elsewhere and left unmaintained or broken
[17:12:47] <chrismcmahon>	 hexmode: I'd like to know more about this tour, thanks. 
[17:12:59] <wikibugs>	 03(ASSIGNED) Remove deprecated $wgFilterCallback from core - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/30410  +comment (10Antoine "hashar" Musso)
[17:13:41] <hexmode>	 chrismcmahon: Krinkle started it, but since he might be busy, I'll give you the URLs
[17:14:18] <Krinkle>	 hexmode: please do :)
[17:15:11] <codurr>	 03jdlrobson * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112223> 10/trunk/extensions/MobileFrontend/ (6 files in 2 dirs):
[17:15:11] <codurr>	 shift search related code from application.js to opensearch.js
[17:15:11] <codurr>	 it makes more sense if all the search related code is in one place
[17:15:26] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Incorrect head scripts when useHeadElement=false - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34600  +comment (10vitalif)
[17:18:56] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Please install Narayam for Gujarati wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33423  +comment (10santhosh.thottingal)
[17:20:17] <codurr>	 03yaron * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112224> 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/ (10 files in 6 dirs): Removing support for MediaWiki 1.16 - that included removing pre-ResourceLoader Javascript- and CSS-loading code, and removing the entire jQuery and jQuery UI libraries, which are now always retrieved from MediaWiki
[17:20:27] <hexmode>	 chrismcmahon: start here https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Krinkle/Le_Tour_de_Wik%C3%AD
[17:21:07] <wikibugs>	 14(WFM) test - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34614  (10Michael Movchin)
[17:21:19] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Test Bug - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34614  summary (10Michael Movchin)
[17:21:29] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) CSS rule causes blue background for chrome users - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34551  +comment (10Sertmann)
[17:22:39] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Customed warn-summary makes problem - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34619 normal; Huggle: Application; (michael)
[17:23:40] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Customed warn-summary makes problem - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34619  +comment (10michael)
[17:27:22] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Group listing in user preferences page is garbage - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34620 normal; MediaWiki extensions: SemanticWatchlist; (mitchell_neill)
[17:27:42] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Add unit tests to MobileFrontend extension - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/30388  +comment (10jrobson)
[17:31:14] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Group listing in user preferences page is garbage - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34620  +comment (10mitchell_neill)
[17:40:18] <Krenair>	 Should factory methods return false or null on failure?
[17:41:33] <Krenair>	 !b 32607
[17:41:33] <mw-bot>	 https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=32607
[17:42:05] <Krenair>	 I was looking into that bug and it looks like lots of classes will return false on failure instead of null as suggested for such methods by hashar
[17:43:23] <hashar>	 Krenair: hello :-D
[17:43:38] <hashar>	 I got a patch from you to review, will only be able to do that tomorrow
[17:43:50] <hashar>	 and you probably want to skip 32607 :-D
[17:44:12] <Krenair>	 ohi
[17:44:31] <hashar>	 Krenair: in that bug report I was merely reporting that the User::new* methods were inconsistent
[17:44:42] <hashar>	 you are probably right in that they should all return 'false' on error instead of null
[17:44:53] <Krenair>	 yes, I can see that.
[17:45:16] <hashar>	 but we might prefer returning null :D
[17:45:31] <Krenair>	 So, we go back to my question
[17:45:34] <Krenair>	 <Krenair> Should factory methods return false or null on failure?
[17:46:29] <Krenair>	 Should they return null, it appears lots of things would have to be changed instead of just a couple of inconsistent User methods
[17:47:25] <hashar>	 by my example, we should use null  so the result of a factory can be passed to a function having type hinting
[17:47:37] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Install MoodBar on fr.wikisource - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34618  (10thomaspt)
[17:47:46] <hashar>	 cause passing false will cause a fatal error :-(
[17:48:07] <hashar>	 Example:  function checkUser(  User $someone ) {};    checkUser( false );
[17:49:03] <hashar>	 Catchable fatal error: Argument 1 passed to checkUser() must be an instance of User, boolean given, ...
[17:49:20] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Customed warn-summary makes problem - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34619  normal->major (10Michael Movchin)
[17:54:09] <hashar>	 Krenair: I am moving out. See you tomorrow :-D
[17:54:14] <hashar>	 wil have your patch reviewed then
[17:54:17] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Patch for /trunk/huggle/Localization/kn.txt - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34621 normal; Huggle: Application; (michael)
[17:54:18] <hashar>	 \O/
[17:54:40] <Krenair>	 hashar, ok, bye
[17:55:01] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Patch for /trunk/huggle/Localization/kn.txt - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34621  normal->trivial (10Michael Movchin)
[17:56:39] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Add unit tests to MobileFrontend extension - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/30388  +comment (10preilly)
[17:59:23] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Invisible fields and buttons on the edit dialog - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34616  (10Michael Movchin)
[18:00:35] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Reporting of Vandals in ptwiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34622 normal; Huggle: Application; (michael)
[18:02:48] <stubby>	 Hi, I keep having a prob with mediawiki, it doesnt load the css fully sometimes, its similar to http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Thread:Project:Support_desk/CSS_is_not_loading_properly#CSS_is_not_loading_properly_9461  but is there a way to fix without a rewrite script?
[18:03:37] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) User::newFromName should return null instead of false on invalid input - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/32607  +comment (10Krenair)
[18:03:41] <Kr1ks>	 Hi, How can one get break up of the response time (by each layer, Apache, php, mysql) ?
[18:04:01] <Kr1ks>	 I am trying to figure out the bottleneck in our wiki installation
[18:04:58] <Kr1ks>	 We have the installation running on a physical machine, where the performance is fine, now we are moving to a VM and there Apache is serving the plain html and php files fast
[18:05:16] <Kr1ks>	 but significantly slows down when the mysql layer comes into play
[18:05:18] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) jenkins/github integration broken since Feb 13th - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34578  +comment (10Antoine "hashar" Musso)
[18:06:18] <DanielRenfro>	 Kr1ks: I'm not too sure there's a straightforward way to do this
[18:06:31] <codurr>	 03emsmith * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112225> 10/trunk/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5/api/ApiFlagFeedbackArticleFeedbackv5.php: bug 34090 - unhidden and unoversight logic adjustments
[18:07:10] <DanielRenfro>	 Kr1ks, you could start out by turning on profiling in your MW site (http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:How_to_debug#Profiling)
[18:07:58] <Kr1ks>	 DanielRenfro: Thanks Daniel, looking into it
[18:08:05] <DanielRenfro>	 Kr1ks, I've also found that logging MySQL's slow queries points to some obvious culprits (http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.1/en/slow-query-log.html)
[18:08:13] <DanielRenfro>	 hope that helps
[18:08:46] <Kr1ks>	 DanielRenfro: Tried the slow queries and there weren't any
[18:09:05] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Incorrect detection of Rollback Permissions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34623 normal; Huggle: Application; (michael)
[18:10:28] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Db-g7 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34624 normal; Huggle: Application; (michael)
[18:10:46] <DanielRenfro>	 Kr1ks, fyi: maatkit (http://www.maatkit.org/) is awesome to help debug MySQL, reading the docs is a must though
[18:11:29] <Krinkle>	 lol brine's rather descriptive edit summaries on a foreign wiki: https://eo.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:aboutwikipedia?action=history
[18:11:32] <Krinkle>	 brion*
[18:11:48] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Watchlist as a Queue - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34625 normal; Huggle: Application; (michael)
[18:14:04] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Custom warnings - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34626 normal; Huggle: Application; (michael)
[18:27:59] <stubby>	 keep having an css problem, anyway to fix, heres what it looks like http://wiki.blinkingnetwork.com/index.php/Main_Page
[18:28:04] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Wiki Side Logging - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34627 normal; Huggle: Application; (michael)
[18:29:09] <Kr1ks>	 DanielRenfro: Hi, Did u ever use profiling, I am trying to interpret the information
[18:29:50] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Editing a page with the minor edit checkbox checked does not make it a minor edit - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34628 normal; Huggle: Application; (michael)
[18:30:52] <DanielRenfro>	 Kr1ks:  a little bit, let me look at my code...
[18:31:08] <Kr1ks>	 ok
[18:31:12] <nischayn22>	 stubby: what is the problem .. are you talking about the logo thing?
[18:33:15] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Huggle overwrites other edit on Edit Conflict - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34629 normal; Huggle: Application; (michael)
[18:33:52] <stubby>	 yea no logo or anything else css-wise
[18:34:13] <Ryan_Lane>	 http://live.wikimedia.in/
[18:34:16] <DanielRenfro>	 Kr1ks:  I have the following in my LocalSettings.php: http://pastie.org/3439347
[18:34:21] <Ryan_Lane>	 ^^ live search. kind of cool
[18:34:24] <Ryan_Lane>	 not open sourced yet
[18:34:29] <Ryan_Lane>	 I'm trying to convince them to open source it now
[18:35:10] <DanielRenfro>	 Kr1ks:  and I changed StartProfiler.sample to StartProfiler.php and uncommented the code.
[18:35:20] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) More forgiving packet loss for Huggle - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34630 normal; Huggle: Application; (michael)
[18:35:32] <Kr1ks>	 DanielRenfro: Thanks! Looking at it
[18:35:40] <DanielRenfro>	 Kr1ks:  you can then go to http://....your...site..../profiler.php and view the stats
[18:35:54] <DanielRenfro>	 Kr1ks:  it's been a while since I had this running, it might take some tweaking/fiddling
[18:36:35] <Kr1ks>	 DanielRenfro: Cool! yousite.../profiler.php isn't working
[18:36:36] <cortexman>	 i'm interested in finding / making a skin that consolidates both the left nav and top banner into a thin top banner with drop-down menus
[18:37:01] <stubby>	 it should be the default css, but its not displaying it like it should I guess.  i get this error Message: Object expected http://wiki.blinkingnetwork.com/load.php?debug=false&lang=en&modules=skins.vector&only=scripts&skin=vector&*
[18:38:05] <DanielRenfro>	 Kr1ks:  I meant 'profileinfo.php' instead, oops
[18:38:14] <DanielRenfro>	 Kr1ks: it sits alongside the index.php file
[18:38:36] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Images displayed as an X - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34631 normal; Huggle: Application; (michael)
[18:42:33] <shantanoo>	 !seen yuvipanda
[18:42:33] <Petanbot>	 yuvipanda (~yuvipanda@mediawiki/Yuvipandan) was last seen quitting from #mediawiki 1 hour, 47 minutes ago stating (Quit: yuvipanda).
[18:42:52] <shantanoo>	 !seen aharoni
[18:42:54] <Petanbot>	 aharoni (~androirc@di8-40245.dialin.huji.ac.il) was last seen quitting from #mediawiki 1 hour, 34 minutes ago stating (Quit: AndroIRC - Android IRC Client ( http://www.androirc.com )).
[18:43:03] <shantanoo>	 :(
[18:43:38] <nischayn22>	 !seen nischayn22
[18:43:39] <Petanbot>	 nischayn22, go look in a mirror.
[18:43:57] <nischayn22>	 thats cool..
[18:44:22] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) improve keyboard shortcuts - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34632 normal; Huggle: Application; (michael)
[18:44:32] <nischayn22>	 shantanoo: where did you find these shortcuts??
[18:46:00] <shantanoo>	 nischayn22: :). i think its more of irc tricks.
[18:46:19] <nischayn22>	 shantanoo: but where to find them?
[18:46:27] <shantanoo>	 especially on active channels people run bots.
[18:46:30] <wikibugs>	 04(REOPENED) Update Bugzilla to 4.2 now that it's been released - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33158  summary; +comment (10Brion Vibber)
[18:47:13] <shantanoo>	 nischayn22: don't remember. many years back a friend of mine told me on dalnet irc network
[18:47:28] <shantanoo>	 tried that, and found it works over here :)
[18:47:54] <nischayn22>	 cool  when you ask for your own name it says go look at a mirror..lol
[18:48:20] <shantanoo>	 :)
[18:48:37] <shantanoo>	 i suppose petan has configured it that way
[18:49:00] <nischayn22>	 Where are you from in India?
[18:49:23] <shantanoo>	 pune
[18:50:14] <shantanoo>	 nischayn22: you?
[18:50:23] <nischayn22>	 Mangalore
[18:51:31] <codurr>	 New code comment: Aaron Schulz; Per-template profiling was disabled on site again.; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111694#c31390>
[18:53:43] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) English: Edit Summary: Huggle Users: Incorrect edit summary given with user who did not edit article - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34633 normal; Huggle: Application; (vgweb)
[18:54:38] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Exception when resizing application window - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34634 normal; Huggle: Application; (michael)
[18:56:53] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Modify the URL to upload files in eswiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34566  +comment (10fitoschido)
[18:58:31] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Norton SONAR Flagging Huggle as a virus. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34635 normal; Huggle: Application; (vgweb)
[18:59:55] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Screened edits via ClueBot NG - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34636 normal; Huggle: Application; (michael)
[19:01:53] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Huggle, when left open, automatically reverts without user interaction - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34637 normal; Huggle: Application; (vgweb)
[19:02:01] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Improve caching - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34638 normal; Huggle: Application; (michael)
[19:02:44] <awjr>	 what's the current status of continuous integration at the WMF? does the CI server run phpunit tests? if so is it just running tests against core? are there plans to implement something to run tests again extensions? is this something that we're waiting for git before implementing?
[19:03:23] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Fall back to API when IRC feed line is malformed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34639 normal; Huggle: Application; (michael)
[19:05:18] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Feature request: hotkey for Revert&Warn(Advanced) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34640 normal; Huggle: Application; (michael)
[19:05:23] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) XFD support - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34641 minor; Huggle: Application; (vgweb)
[19:08:01] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) improve tagging interface - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34642 normal; Huggle: Application; (michael)
[19:08:05] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Automatic reports to the ES version of the EN AIV - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34643 minor; Huggle: Application; (vgweb)
[19:09:43] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) profanity indicator v2 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34644 normal; Huggle: Application; (michael)
[19:10:19] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Google Search diffed text - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34645 minor; Huggle: Application; (vgweb)
[19:11:26] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Filter by patrolled-status - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34646 normal; Huggle: Application; (michael)
[19:11:37] <codurr>	 03ialex * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112226> 10/trunk/extensions/ (21 files in 8 dirs): svn:eol-style native
[19:12:14] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Extend others AIV Reports - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34647 normal; Huggle: Application; (vgweb)
[19:13:35] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Documentation should be clear what Huggle does - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34648 normal; Huggle: Application; (michael)
[19:14:42] <stubby>	 any idea how to fix the css on my site wiki.blinkingnetwork.com
[19:15:19] <codurr>	 03midom * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112227> 10/trunk/udpprofile/collector.c: set in-RAM cache size to 256M instead of 256k - cuts CPU usage in half on busy systems
[19:15:54] <Krenair>	 stubby, what's wrong with the css?
[19:16:12] <stubby>	 not sure, its not loading, gives me an error  Message: Object expected Line: 1 Char: 1 Code: 0 URI: http://wiki.blinkingnetwork.com/load.php?debug=false&lang=en&modules=skins.vector&only=scripts&skin=vector&*  
[19:16:52] <codurr>	 03emsmith * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112228> 10/trunk/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5/api/ApiViewFeedbackArticleFeedbackv5.php: bug 34090 - fix filter - needsoversight are always autohidden
[19:17:01] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) New HG3 logo has to be build in - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34649 normal; Huggle: Application; (michael)
[19:17:12] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) New HG3 logo has to be build in - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34649  (10Michael Movchin)
[19:17:35] <Krenair>	 stubby, that URL seems fine to me
[19:20:56] <stubby>	 try clearing cache and trying again
[19:21:04] <Dantman>	 Oooh yay, the dns has finally resolved
[19:21:11] <Nurbek>	 How to send to parse Special Page witj parameters?
[19:21:30] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) Article Feedback Page - Showing: All visible has very large number in () - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34131  (10Yoni Shostak)
[19:21:53] <Dantman>	 !shorturls
[19:21:53] <mw-bot>	 To create simple URLs (such as the /wiki/PAGENAME style URLs on Wikimedia sites), follow the instructions at <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL>. There are instructions for most different webserver setups. If you have problems getting the rewrite rules to work, see !rewriteproblem
[19:22:10] <Dantman>	 I wonder if mw-bot has enough space
[19:22:18] <Dantman>	 !shorturls del
[19:22:19] <mw-bot>	 Successfully removed keyword: shorturls
[19:22:25] <Nurbek>	 Example: [[Special:UserLogin|Invite new author]] this get http://site.com/index.php/Special:UserLogin
[19:22:37] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) Article Feedback Page Add the word ' Tools' in the navbar - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34072  (10Yoni Shostak)
[19:22:54] <Nurbek>	 But I need http://site.com/index.php?title=Special:UserLogin&type=signup
[19:23:03] <Nurbek>	 with get parameters
[19:23:05] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) [Regression] IRC string output for log messages no longer compatible - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34508  +comment (10Rob Lanphier)
[19:23:06] <Dantman>	 !shorturls To create simple URLs (such as the /wiki/PAGENAME style URLs on Wikimedia sites), follow the instructions at <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL> or try the new beta tool at <http://shorturls.redwerks.org/>. There are instructions for most different webserver setups. If you have problems getting the rewrite rules to work, see !rewriteproblem
[19:23:07] <mw-bot>	 I don't know anything about "shorturls".
[19:23:17] <Dantman>	 !shorturls is To create simple URLs (such as the /wiki/PAGENAME style URLs on Wikimedia sites), follow the instructions at <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL> or try the new beta tool at <http://shorturls.redwerks.org/>. There are instructions for most different webserver setups. If you have problems getting the rewrite rules to work, see !rewriteproblem
[19:23:18] <mw-bot>	 Successfully added keyword: shorturls
[19:23:22] <Dantman>	 !shorturls
[19:23:22] <mw-bot>	 To create simple URLs (such as the /wiki/PAGENAME style URLs on Wikimedia sites), follow the instructions at <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL> or try the new beta tool at <http://shorturls.redwerks.org/>. There are instructions for most different webserver setups. If you have problems getting the rewrite rules to work, see !rewriteproblem
[19:23:26] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Support for INR symbol - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34650 normal; MediaWiki extensions: Narayam; (shantanoo)
[19:23:27] <Dantman>	 Ok, it worked
[19:23:39] <shantanoo>	 !help
[19:23:40] <mw-bot>	 http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:`e1
[19:23:49] <shantanoo>	 !help narayam
[19:23:50] <mw-bot>	 http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:narayam
[19:23:53] <shantanoo>	 :D
[19:24:07] <Dantman>	 !e Narayam
[19:24:07] <mw-bot>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Narayam
[19:24:29] <shantanoo>	 Dantman:  o_O. hmmm. thanks.
[19:24:32] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Group listing in user preferences page is garbage - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34620  +comment (10jeroen_dedauw)
[19:25:03] <SPQRobin>	 shantanoo: there's https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Extension:Narayam
[19:25:09] <rillke>	 Hello as always I am looking for an API developer. API JSON output is trashed sometimes: Escaping problems.
[19:25:21] <rillke>	 In MediaWiki 1.19
[19:25:49] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Probable Javascript loading issues (navigation and tabbing issues, multiple browsers) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34450  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[19:25:51] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Tracking bug (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/2007  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[19:25:51] <rillke>	 https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&list=logevents&leprop=type|user|timestamp|details&ledir=older&lelimit=100&letitle=File%3AAtlas-Vega+powerd+Trayactory+with+three+stages.png&requestid=File%3AAtlas-Vega+powerd+Trayactory+with+three+stages.png&format=json
[19:26:17] <Nurbek>	 How to add parameters to link?
[19:26:38] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) Upload Wizard - The file you submitted was empty - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34387  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[19:26:56] <rillke>	 query.logevents[0] ---> what is "0"
[19:27:50] <SPQRobin>	 Nurbek: you need to use external links for that, but for Special:UserLogin&type=signup specifically you can link to [[Special:CreateAccount]]
[19:27:55] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) upload protection doesn't work for reverts → edit wars can continue if not also edit protection is used - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34209  (10Rob Lanphier)
[19:28:04] <rillke>	 query.logevents[1].patrol.cur ---> a:3:{s:8:\"4::curid\";i:67418845;s:9:\"5::previd\";i:67418790;s:7:\"6::auto\";i:1;}
[19:28:16] <codurr>	 New code comment: Siebrand; Should we add a message key translatorsignup-summary with a basic introduction? \ Something like: "Us; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112095#c31391>
[19:28:44] <Nurbek>	 SPQRobin: thanks! works
[19:28:53] <codurr>	 03brion * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112229> 10/trunk/extensions/UploadWizard/includes/specials/SpecialUploadWizard.php:
[19:28:53] <codurr>	 May or may not help with bug 34601 UW mispositioned file control - still can't reproduce this on a local install.
[19:28:53] <codurr>	 Force UploadWizard styles to load early.... there *is* HTML at output time, though it's "hidden" until some additional styling is applied to it.
[19:28:54] <codurr>	 Sometimes in Chrome some of the HTML flashes briefly without style, which seems to be when we pick up the wrong positioning... this hopefully will avoid that possibility by ensuring the styles are preloaded.
[19:29:49] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) "Drop media file to donate here" sometimes silently fails - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34601  +comment (10brion)
[19:30:11] <brion>	 Reedy, wanna try syncing 112229? should at worst be harmless
[19:30:32] <rillke>	 better use https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&list=logevents&leprop=type|user|timestamp|details&ledir=older&lelimit=100&letitle=File%3AAtlas-Vega+powerd+Trayactory+with+three+stages.png&requestid=File%3AAtlas-Vega+powerd+Trayactory+with+three+stages.png&format=jsonfm
[19:30:47] <brion>	 are we running out of branch or trunk right now?
[19:31:18] <brion>	 ok 1.19wmf1. maybe i'll try another checkout
[19:35:09] <stubby>	 i guess it works on some browsers, weird
[19:37:40] <Reedy>	 brion: sure
[19:37:55] <brion>	 still can't repro with 1.19wmf1 locally
[19:37:56] <mmovchin>	 sumanah?
[19:38:00] <brion>	 maybe it needs a bunch of other stuff being loaded, sigh
[19:38:03] <brion>	 thanks Reedy !
[19:38:30] <codurr>	 03emsmith * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112230> 10/trunk/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5/api/ApiViewFeedbackArticleFeedbackv5.php: bug 34090 - let's try this again - needsoversight and declined will have hidden items
[19:38:46] <codurr>	 New code comment: SPQRobin; The description message is a bit unclearly worded (and please also add qqq). Also, isn't this nearly; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110692#c31392>
[19:38:47] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Group listing in user preferences page is garbage - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34620  +comment (10jeroen_dedauw)
[19:38:54] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Update Bugzilla to 4.2 now that it's been released - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33158  +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[19:43:31] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Make a group blacklist for ssh key changes - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34651 normal; MediaWiki extensions: OpenStackManager; (rlane32)
[19:44:22] <stubby>	 http://wiki.blinkingnetwork.com/index.php/Main_Page cant get it to work in ie8, any idea why?
[19:45:15] <codurr>	 03raymond * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112231> 10/trunk/extensions/ (73 files in 68 dirs):
[19:45:15] <codurr>	 Localisation updates for extension messages from translatewiki.net
[19:45:15] <codurr>	 Core skipped today, conflicts with dupe messages... Will report on CR soon
[19:48:01] <codurr>	 New code comment: Jeroen De Dauw; It's indeed very similar to InputBox type=create. Did not know that one existed though. Then again, ; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110692#c31393>
[19:48:23] <codurr>	 03emsmith * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112232> 10/trunk/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5/api/ApiFlagFeedbackArticleFeedbackv5.php: bug 34090 - hide and show shouldn't fiddle with oversight counts or declined counts, those continue regardless of the hidden/shown state
[19:49:02] <codurr>	 New code comment: Raymond; 'uploadedimage', 'overwroteimage' and 'newuserlog-byemail' are dupe in MessagesEn.php now. These mes; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112128#c31394>
[19:49:09] <codurr>	 03jeroendedauw * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112233> 10/trunk/extensions/CreatePage/ (5 files): follow up r111749 r110692
[19:50:43] <Dantman>	 brion: May I make MW throw deprecation warnings when skins don't use headelement?
[19:57:44] <codurr>	 03ialex * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112234> 10/trunk/phase3/includes/specials/SpecialExport.php: Use local context to get messages
[19:58:22] <codurr>	 03reedy * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112235> 10/branches/wmf/1.19wmf1/extensions/UploadWizard/ (. includes/specials/SpecialUploadWizard.php): MFT r112229
[19:59:16] <brion>	 \o/
[20:00:17] <codurr>	 New code comment: Khorn (WMF); Just one question: Are you planning on getting rid of donate_interface-donor-lname-alt in the interf; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112188#c31395>
[20:01:19] <codurr>	 03ialex * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112236> 10/trunk/phase3/includes/WikiPage.php: Pass __METHOD__ to DatabaseBase::begin(), DatabaseBase::commit() and DatabaseBase::rollback()
[20:02:21] <^demon>	 brion: http://wikimania2012.wikimedia.org/wiki/Submissions/Practical_Git_for_Wikimedians :)
[20:02:54] <brion>	 \o/
[20:05:22] <brion>	 tx Reedy ... so far so good
[20:05:31] <brion>	 still some flashes but no click fails
[20:05:33] <brion>	 man i hate this bug
[20:06:06] <Dantman>	 Tools, tools, ideas for tools...
[20:06:22] <codurr>	 03inez * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112237> 10/trunk/extensions/VisualEditor/demos/playground/: Move playground to demos subdirectory
[20:06:28] <mmovchin>	 I need some ideas, too, Dantman.
[20:08:04] <Dantman>	 mmovchin: Well, here's one that's already taken http://shorturls.jade.redwerks.org/
[20:08:32] <mmovchin>	 heh
[20:10:11] <codurr>	 03inez * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112238> 10/trunk/extensions/VisualEditor/playground/: Move playground to demos subdirectory
[20:10:13] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) "Drop media file to donate here" sometimes silently fails - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34601  +comment (10brion)
[20:10:55] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Description field language dropdown shows only 11 languages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34652 normal; MediaWiki extensions: UploadWizard; (saibotrash)
[20:10:58] <codurr>	 03inez * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112239> 10/trunk/extensions/VisualEditor/demos/playground/: Move playground to demos subdirectory
[20:11:06] <codurr>	 03inez * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112240> 10/trunk/extensions/VisualEditor/demos/playground/ (. index.html playground.js): Move playground to demos subdirectory
[20:12:00] <codurr>	 03inez * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112241> 10/trunk/extensions/VisualEditor/demos/playground/index.html: Fix relative paths to js files
[20:18:30] <wikibugs>	 04(REOPENED) New aliases for ko.wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34407  +comment (10Hotae Kim)
[20:18:45] <codurr>	 03khorn * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112242> 10/branches/fundraising/deployment/payments_1.17/extensions/DonationInterface/ (3 files in 2 dirs): i18n Only: MFT r110867, r110961, r111090, r111200, r111260, r111405, r111499, r111572, r111792, r111843, r111888, r112187
[20:20:22] <Dantman>	 ...I hate our template system
[20:22:06] <Dantman>	 Just look at how horrid it is https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:AllPages/Template:
[20:22:12] <Dantman>	 How are you supposed to find anything?
[20:22:52] <Krenair>	 Dantman, you hate the templates on mediawikiwiki or MediaWiki's template system in general?
[20:23:31] <codurr>	 New code comment: Pgehres (WMF); Eventually, yes, but I wanted to test with this set of forms before I made changes to all of the oth; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112188#c31396>
[20:23:49] <Dantman>	 I hate how our template system is setup so loosely that MW.org needs to do things that result in an utter inability to find things
[20:25:24] <Krenair>	 I think a lot of those templates are shared with other wikis
[20:25:54] <Krenair>	 Any idea if efficient interwiki transclusion is being worked on?
[20:26:56] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) New HG3 logo has to be build in - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34649  normal->trivial (10Michael Movchin)
[20:27:28] <Dantman>	 For example, We don't have templates as one conceptual level, so we end up with templates that transclude a subpage of themselves to compnentalize things.
[20:28:11] <Dantman>	 We don't have a template i18n system, so we have templates that use a subpage of themselves to translate it.
[20:28:54] <Wikinaut>	 Hi, I have a question regarding the best layout of extension files and classes therein. The original E:RSS had already i RSSxyz classes in j files. Do we have a convention how to arrange such code structure ?
[20:29:03] <Dantman>	 We don't have a conceptual way to separate what page is a template and what other is something used by a template. So we don't have a nice proper list of templates.
[20:29:31] <^demon>	 Wikinaut: Your question doesn't make in any sense.
[20:29:46] <Wikinaut>	 why not ?
[20:29:50] <Dantman>	 Templates can't even indicate formally what kind of arguments they use, etc... so we can't even create inline help or methods of quickly finding templates.
[20:29:52] <Wikinaut>	 I need to autoload all files
[20:29:55] <Krenair>	 "The original E:RSS had already i RSSxyz classes in j files."
[20:30:22] <^demon>	 Wikinaut: So put your classes in their files and add them to $wgAutoloadClasses like usual? I'm still unsure what the question is here.
[20:30:37] <Krenair>	 Dantman, might be something that can be cleared up with Lua scripting
[20:30:38] <Wikinaut>	 ^demon: yep , this is what I want to do
[20:30:52] <Dantman>	 Krenair: Lua only fixes a small part of the problem
[20:30:53] <Wikinaut>	 I don't have a problem with this
[20:31:04] <Wikinaut>	 I just wanted to be in line with code conventions
[20:31:17] <Wikinaut>	 (at least, I try)
[20:31:43] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) "Drop media file to donate here" sometimes silently fails - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34601  +comment (10Erik Moeller)
[20:31:46] <Dantman>	 Frankly. This obsession with 'everything is a wiki page' is actually the cause of some of our worst most persistantly inintuitive faults.
[20:31:57] <Dantman>	 unintuitive*
[20:32:14] <^demon>	 Dantman: Too bad we didn't have you around 9 or so years ago ;-)
[20:32:19] <Dantman>	 heh
[20:32:40] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) ipad apps - mobile article doesn't fit if webview width < 768 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31214  +comment (10Richard)
[20:33:00] <Dantman>	 i18n is a wiki page. So we can't differentiate between text and wikitext implicitly.
[20:33:35] <Dantman>	 Templates are a wiki page. So we can't simultaniously edit two components of a template at once because they are different pages.
[20:34:16] <Dantman>	 Categories are defined using [[Category:...]] without formal metadata. So we can't have an intuitive category editing feature with category lists, autocompletion, and category descriptions.
[20:34:17] <^demon>	 You know what would make AllPages nicer? An "exclude subpages" option. Too bad there's no way to do that efficiently.
[20:34:55] <^demon>	 Dantman: I think redoing categories is fairly low-hanging fruit, all things considered.
[20:34:57] <Dantman>	 ^demon: ;) What I was 'really' hoping for, was something with a list of the base ACTUAL templates, each one with a description of the template itself as well.
[20:35:08] <^demon>	 We already track the metadata, it's just done in wikitext so that part would need splitting out
[20:35:22] <Dantman>	 Our metadata location is a cache.
[20:35:41] <^demon>	 Yeah, turn that into a real tracking system.
[20:35:44] <^demon>	 :)
[20:35:49] <Dantman>	 To actually do this right we'd need to start storing structured data inside our storage instead of blobs.
[20:36:17] <codurr>	 New code comment: Khorn (WMF); Sweet. Just checking.; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112188#c31397>
[20:36:19] <Dantman>	 I don't think it's a real good idea to turn our category links table into the table we start modifying.
[20:36:38] <Dantman>	 I don't even think it would work. It wouldn't fit right with the whole revisioning bit.
[20:36:43] <^demon>	 It's not a 1-to-1 conversion, but it'd be similar.
[20:36:45] <varnent>	 30 minute reminder: MediaWiki Workshop: MediaWiki's ResourceLoader in #wikimedia-dev
[20:37:43] <Dantman>	 My thought was to switch to structured metadata storage. ie: Say { "contents": "...", "categories": [ ... ] } in our blobs. And start migrating categories to formal metadata.
[20:37:56] <Dantman>	 We still use category links as a cache
[20:38:14] <Dantman>	 And we still support [[Category:...]] for backwards compat and as template syntax.
[20:38:37] <Dantman>	 But in-page categories start getting migrated to category metadata.
[20:40:42] <Dantman>	 ^demon: Another (maybe it's evil) thought I just had. Was to screw some of the template syntax back compat. And support an opt-in mode for templates where they are able to formally declare their param patterns.
[20:41:08] <Dantman>	 Once formally declared we can make tweaks to parsing.
[20:41:57] <^demon>	 I like evil :)
[20:42:09] <Dantman>	 eg: If a template formally declares that it only takes one argument. We can start parsing {{Foo|Asdf, 1=2}} as "Asdf, 1=2" instead of as "Asdf, 1" => "2"
[20:42:41] <Dantman>	 Natrually templates are also free to declare wildcard arguments.
[20:43:03] <Dantman>	 So freeform patterns are still supported.
[20:43:33] <Dantman>	 But perhaps we could let them add their own character limitations.
[20:44:05] <Dantman>	 eg: One could declare a full "*" wildcard. But say that only latin chars would work.
[20:44:45] <Dantman>	 ie: {{Foo|asdf=bar|asdf&afwe=asdf}} would be parsed as "asdf" => "bar", "asdf&afwe=asdf"
[20:46:53] <Dantman>	 ^demon: Another idea I thought of was taking advantage of the fact that we don't parse {{#foo}}. And using it as a method of adding in per-page templates.
[20:47:01] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Group listing in user preferences page is garbage - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34620  +comment (10mitchell_neill)
[20:47:22] <^demon>	 Dantman: Where "foo" is an undefined pfunc?
[20:47:40] <Dantman>	 ^demon: ;) It's not a parser function if you don't have : in it
[20:49:30] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Group listing in user preferences page is garbage - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34620  +comment (10mitchell_neill)
[20:49:31] <^demon>	 Oh yeah true.
[20:49:33] <Dantman>	 {{#foo|hello=world}} would transclude a template defined in the page itself.
[20:49:45] <johnduhart>	 Congrats to Roan
[20:49:51] <Dantman>	 We'd have some sort of extra input. And if you repeated yourself a lot, you could make use of it.
[20:50:11] <Dantman>	 It wouldn't be something for general articles. But it could be VERY useful when writing stuff in your userspace.
[20:50:38] <^demon>	 *nod*
[20:50:54] <Dantman>	 It's immensely irritating to have to start adding templates into your userspace and use relatives or keep repeating your userpage path over and over.
[20:51:09] <Dantman>	 And sometimes you don't need it beyond a single page.
[20:51:26] <Dantman>	 Of course...
[20:52:00] <Dantman>	 The other option would be to let you formally declare some pages as a separate conceptual space. And then let you completely override some templates.
[20:52:26] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Group listing in user preferences page is garbage - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34620  +comment (10jeroen_dedauw)
[20:52:39] <Dantman>	 eg: {{hint|foo}} starts using User:Dantman/Templates/hint instead of Template:Hint
[20:53:45] <Dantman>	 Oh right... ^demon https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Dantman/Code_Ideas/PageLayouts
[20:54:37] <varnent>	 10(ish) minute reminder: MediaWiki Workshop: MediaWiki's ResourceLoader in #wikimedia-dev
[20:56:00] <Dantman>	 varnent: http://shorturls.jade.redwerks.org/
[20:56:21] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Logs corrupt or have big delays - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34653 normal; Wikimedia: Site logos; (rainerrillke)
[20:57:49] <varnent>	 Dantman: THAT'S where I saw that!  :)
[20:58:00] <varnent>	 Dantman: lol - ty  :)
[20:58:26] <Dantman>	 varnent: What do you think of this error message? http://shorturls.jade.redwerks.org/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fblog.redwerks.org%2F
[20:58:29] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Logs corrupt or have big delays - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34653  (10Rainer@Rillke.eu)
[21:00:47] <Dantman>	 Nikerabbit: Did you ever have some thoughts on a template i18n system?
[21:01:27] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Probable Javascript loading issues (navigation and tabbing issues, multiple browsers) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34450  +comment (10brion)
[21:01:48] <Nikerabbit>	 Dantman: haven't seen great one yet
[21:02:01] <codurr>	 New code comment: Ottomata; Looks like it'll work, and is probably a very safe change. \ I have to say though, ngx_http_udplog_es; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111444#c31398>
[21:04:51] <varnent>	 MediaWiki Workshop: MediaWiki's ResourceLoader happening now in #wikimedia-dev
[21:05:20] <Reedy>	 Anyone want to review Krinkles 2 commits and I'll push to site before deploys later on
[21:05:32] <RoanKattouw>	 Revs?
[21:05:57] <Reedy>	 !r 112179
[21:05:57] <mw-bot>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112179
[21:06:01] <Reedy>	 !r 112184
[21:06:02] <mw-bot>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112184
[21:06:06] <Reedy>	  both small
[21:07:24] <Nikerabbit>	 look fine to me
[21:08:34] <Lcawte>	 I'm still potentially impressed with that fairly cheap little thing ^.^
[21:09:04] * Lcawte  refers to his twitter btw

[21:12:59] <codurr>	 03wikinaut * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112243> 10/trunk/extensions/RSS/ (5 files): (log message trimmed)
[21:12:59] <codurr>	 name and behaviour change of wgRSSAllowedFeeds towgRSSUrlWhitelist. The
[21:12:59] <codurr>	 wgRSSUrlWhitelist is _now_ empty by default which was not the case until this
[21:12:59] <codurr>	 version. Admins who want to allow their users to insert arbitrary feed urls must
[21:13:00] <codurr>	 now denote this expressly with an asterisk in quotes as whitelist array element.
[21:13:01] <codurr>	 This is harmonised to the same method as recently introduced in E:EtherpadLite.
[21:13:02] <codurr>	 The RELEASE NOTES file has been updated, updates to the MediaWiki manual page
[21:16:31] <^demon>	 I think people like static functions too much. They're like writing global functions but you get to pretend they're not.
[21:19:46] <^demon>	 *sigh*
[21:19:53] <codurr>	 03awjrichards * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112244> 10/trunk/extensions/MobileFrontend/tests/MobileFrontendTest.php: Added test for updateMobileUrlHost()
[21:21:04] <brion>	 ^demon, they're namespaced global functions :)
[21:21:22] <^demon>	 So are wfFoo() functions :p
[21:21:28] <^demon>	 Everything begins with wf :p
[21:21:36] <brion>	 just don't lead us toward a java path of FactoryFactory.newFactory('factory')
[21:21:45] <Lcawte>	 They're talking about magic in #wikimedia-dev right now... :O
[21:24:25] <^demon>	 That's all freaky javascript-foo.
[21:24:31] <^demon>	 I'll stay here and complain about php :)
[21:26:21] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Description field language dropdown shows only 11 languages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34652  normal->major;  +code-update-regression +i18n (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[21:27:21] <^demon>	 brion: I'm fine with factory methods wrapping around constructors for easy access (think newFromText). But making everything static because you don't like instantiating things is poor form.
[21:28:13] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Description field language dropdown shows only 11 languages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34652  +comment (10maarten)
[21:28:53] <AaronSchulz>	 ^demon: usually huge bags of static functions tend to suck
[21:29:01] * AaronSchulz  stares at ProofreadPage

[21:29:15] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Probable Javascript loading issues (navigation and tabbing issues, multiple browsers) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34450  +comment (10erik)
[21:29:31] <TimStarling>	 it's not really object-oriented programming if you use collections of static functions
[21:30:00] <^demon>	 I agree. And that's pretty much the reason I've frowned on LSB since the beginning.
[21:30:07] <RoanKattouw>	 AaronSchulz: 112184 is OK. Fr 112179, ask Trevor
[21:30:35] <^demon>	 TimStarling: I see it as a workaround for people who want collections static functions to behave like normal objects.
[21:30:41] <^demon>	 *collections of
[21:31:05] <TimStarling>	 yeah, I have pretty much the same opinion of it
[21:31:25] <TimStarling>	 I saw some comments on php.internals recently regretting even adding it to PHP
[21:31:29] <Lcawte>	 So, I read something about templates and lua a while about, whats that all about?
[21:32:07] <^demon>	 Genie's out of the bottle now. And given how they feel about breaking back-compat, we're stuck with it for a long time.
[21:33:04] <TimStarling>	 we're in a situation now where people will start using it without realising its version history
[21:33:22] <TimStarling>	 like the problems we had with call_user_func('Foo::bar') in 5.2
[21:34:42] <^demon>	 We could just ban LSB and jump arbitrarily :)
[21:36:21] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) rebuildImages.php --missing halts with error upon encountering any filename which it wants to rename - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34654 normal; MediaWiki: Maintenance scripts; (carlb613)
[21:36:46] <Wikinaut>	 Hello, in the current version, I don't see the editbar icons. ResourceLoader problem in core ?
[21:38:07] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Description field language dropdown shows only 11 languages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34652  +comment (10Maarten Dammers)
[21:41:32] <codurr>	 New code comment: Siebrand; [[bugzilla:34652]] was opened for this. I guess an explanation on how to update the list in Commons ; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/85935#c31399>
[21:42:15] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Description field language dropdown shows only 11 languages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34652  +comment (10Erik Moeller)
[21:42:53] <codurr>	 03khorn * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112245> 10/branches/fundraising/deployment/payments_1.17/extensions/DonationInterface/ (donationinterface.php gateway_common/DataValidator.php): New DataValidator class, and donationinterface.php Only: MFT r107299, r107551, r107584, r107585, r107609, r112171, r112175
[21:46:56] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Please install Narayam for Gujarati wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33423  +comment (10dsvyas)
[21:47:55] <codurr>	 03jeroendedauw * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112246> 10/trunk/extensions/EducationProgram/ (3 files in 3 dirs): work on course listing for instructors on special mycourses
[21:49:30] <vvv>	 Is there any good reason not to give users the ability to request prefixindex from the template code?
[21:53:08] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Probable Javascript loading issues (navigation and tabbing issues, multiple browsers) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34450  +comment (10T. Gries)
[21:57:48] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Description field language dropdown shows only 11 languages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34652  +comment (10sam)
[21:58:50] <AaronSchulz>	 ^demon: LSB is useful for factory functions
[21:58:54] <AaronSchulz>	 prolly not much else
[21:59:08] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Probable Javascript loading issues (navigation and tabbing issues, multiple browsers) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34450  +comment (10erik)
[21:59:57] <^demon>	 We'll need to decide on some coding conventions for LSB, Namespaces and the like and put them on the wiki.
[22:01:18] <^demon>	 TimStarling: What are your thoughts on bumping the minimum version in the next release? For? Against? Don't care?
[22:01:51] <AaronSchulz>	 what version of 5.3.x?
[22:02:15] <^demon>	 I figured at least 5.3.2. 5.3.0 was the first release and thus pretty unstable and 5.3.1 is patently broken.
[22:02:46] <TimStarling>	 was something more said about HipHop/hhvm? I remember hashar raised it
[22:03:20] <^demon>	 Well I dunno what the progress is on Facebook adding 5.3 support. Last I remember there were quite a few outstanding pull requests regarding it.
[22:03:24] <hashar>	 I did raise a possible objection that the Facebook VM could not support 5.3.x
[22:03:30] <Dantman>	 Does that even work now anyways?
[22:03:45] <codurr>	 03jeroendedauw * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112247> 10/trunk/extensions/EducationProgram/ (EducationProgram.i18n.php specials/SpecialMyCourses.php): fix message
[22:03:55] <^demon>	 Dantman: It takes some wrangling, but you can get MediaWiki compiled and running with hiphop, yes.
[22:04:01] <hashar>	 my main objection is that people will start adding closure everywhere in the code
[22:04:02] <Dantman>	 I look though the limitations and our extensions are even coded in ways that trigger hhvm's interpreted mode
[22:04:17] <^demon>	 Some things still broken, but you can load the pages, do basic stuff like login.
[22:04:22] <hashar>	 TimStarling: do you have any information about Facebook virtual machine?  I could not find a reliable source.
[22:04:22] <codurr>	 03brion * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112248> 10/trunk/extensions/UploadWizard/resources/ (mw.UploadWizard.js mw.UploadWizardUploadInterface.js):
[22:04:22] <codurr>	 Another stab at bug 34601: UploadWizard positioning issues with hidden file input control
[22:04:22] <codurr>	 Uses a timer interval to reposition the file control every half second.
[22:04:22] <codurr>	 This should resolve issues with initial layout as well as layout changing when the page resizes.
[22:04:23] <codurr>	 Doesn't seem to explode anything else in my testing.
[22:04:24] <AaronSchulz>	 "HipHop currently supports most features of PHP version 5.3"
[22:04:29] * AaronSchulz  wants more specificity ;)

[22:04:37] <TimStarling>	 hashar: not really
[22:04:46] <TimStarling>	 AaronSchulz: yes, it would be nice to know whether namespaces and LSB are supported
[22:04:54] <Reedy>	 AaronSchulz: just like PHP, inconsistent
[22:04:58] <hashar>	 I guess we should stick to 5.2 for MediaWiki 1.20
[22:05:10] <TimStarling>	 and anonymous functions
[22:05:25] <^demon>	 Maybe we could just skip 5.3 entirely and go to 5.4 ;-)
[22:05:31] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) "Drop media file to donate here" sometimes silently fails - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34601  +comment (10brion)
[22:05:38] <Dantman>	 traits!
[22:05:44] <hashar>	 ^demon: yeah skipping straight to LUA 5.4 would be a better choice
[22:06:02] * AaronSchulz  was thinking to himself a lot when traits would be useful

[22:06:06] <AaronSchulz>	 *about when
[22:06:18] <Dantman>	 RequestContext
[22:06:30] <hashar>	 I don't think we should upgrade for 1.20 . lets migrate to git first and wait/test the Facebook VM
[22:06:40] <AaronSchulz>	 yeah, basically if you want to graft behavior involving mutating $this
[22:06:45] <^demon>	 Yeah, stuff that you want to be portable like RequestContext or Config, but isn't part of the inheritance.
[22:06:50] <brion>	 Reedy, another UW tweak: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112248
[22:07:12] <AaronSchulz>	 it nice to avoid the proxy functions that composition has to have
[22:07:27] <Dantman>	 It's also good for mixing in simple apis for common things that would end up with a lot of messy code if you didn't have traits
[22:07:52] <AaronSchulz>	 though I also worry traits are easy to abuse where composition might be more well factored
[22:08:26] <AaronSchulz>	 it's like a tool of last resort
[22:08:28] <Dantman>	 ^_^ 5.4 also has it's own server for testing
[22:08:39] <^demon>	 AaronSchulz: Also true. Hence my "use features intelligently" comment :)
[22:08:40] * AaronSchulz  read about that

[22:08:46] <codurr>	 New code comment: Reedy; I think this needs a revision or 2 merging into 1.19wmf1 first...; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111991#c31400>
[22:08:47] <^demon>	 PHP's making it easier to write shit code ;-)
[22:08:53] <Dantman>	 ;) Then again, I'm already using it
[22:09:30] <AaronSchulz>	 ^demon: yeah, composition makes things more isolated and well-defined, but I guess in a few occasional cases it sucks more than traits
[22:09:51] <AaronSchulz>	 ^demon: I never understood the claim that PHP sucks cause it's easy to write suck code
[22:10:16] <codurr>	 New code comment: Hashar; On wikitech-l, Arthur Richards is wondering if WebRequest::getRawIP() could be made public: \ http://; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/94932#c31401>
[22:10:18] <AaronSchulz>	 it would be one thing if it made it almost impossible to not make suck code, but I don't see that
[22:10:18] <Dantman>	 ^_^ That's just an extension of the fact
[22:11:03] <AaronSchulz>	 it's not like making a huge asynchronous C program with no race, pointer, or memory leak bugs ;)
[22:11:18] <Dantman>	 PHP doesn't suck because it's easy to write bad code. PHP sucks AND it's easy to write bad code. So we complain about both ;)
[22:11:32] <AaronSchulz>	 or likewise, as Yahtzee would say, "trying to juggle handkerchiefs in a wind tunnel"
[22:11:33] <codurr>	 03reedy * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112249> 10/branches/wmf/1.19wmf1/ (6 files in 4 dirs): MFT r112179, r112184
[22:11:36] <hashar>	 In the beginning PHP was just a HTML preprocessing tool
[22:11:37] <^demon>	 AaronSchulz: Sadly, I'm probably preaching to the choir. The people who won't abuse things like LSB and traits don't need telling, and the people who will abuse them probably won't listen anyway.
[22:11:58] <hashar>	 so it never got properly designed.
[22:12:13] <Dantman>	 hashar: ;) sounds WikiText
[22:12:18] <hashar>	 exactly
[22:12:37] <AaronSchulz>	 hashar: certainly, it lacks a strict overall philosophy, which is unfortunete
[22:13:03] <AaronSchulz>	 it basically just gets better as it copies OOP and syntax from good languages, as well as some Java
[22:13:09] <^demon>	 The one that really baffles me though is jump.
[22:13:16] <^demon>	 I cannot see why they put that in.
[22:13:31] <AaronSchulz>	 you mean goto?
[22:13:52] <^demon>	 It's called jump. They call it a "limited goto"
[22:14:08] <hashar>	 limited goto ?
[22:14:11] <AaronSchulz>	 which is totally not considered evil
[22:14:22] <hashar>	 like you try to get too far and PHP throw you an uncatchable fatal error ?
[22:14:27] <^demon>	 AaronSchulz: Just limitedly evil ;-)
[22:14:28] <codurr>	 03siebrand * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112250> 10/trunk/ (2 files in 2 dirs):
[22:14:28] <codurr>	 Follow-up r85935: Add key for JavaScript customisation page.
[22:14:29] <codurr>	 Some spaces to tabs.
[22:14:35] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Probable Javascript loading issues (navigation and tabbing issues, multiple browsers) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34450  +comment (10mail)
[22:14:54] <^demon>	 http://php.net/manual/en/control-structures.goto.php
[22:15:06] <AaronSchulz>	 ^demon: it might make sense for some low-level projects...e.g. things no one would use PHP for
[22:15:07] <hashar>	 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JMP_(x86_instruction)
[22:15:21] <^demon>	 I mean, if you have to put the xkcd comic about why goto is evil....
[22:15:31] <^demon>	 Maybe you shouldn't have added the feature?
[22:15:32] <TimStarling>	 goto had some strong supporters on the mailing list
[22:15:50] <TimStarling>	 there are a few traditional uses
[22:16:17] <hashar>	 I like goto a lot, in some cases it makes code easier to read
[22:16:23] <hashar>	 can still be abused though :-(
[22:16:38] <Dantman>	 ^_^ I would have liked labeled break and conditionless do
[22:17:29] <^demon>	 Didn't they have labelled breaks and removed it?
[22:17:57] <Dantman>	 heh
[22:17:59] <AaronSchulz>	 PHP, no
[22:18:08] <AaronSchulz>	 things like break $x where removed though...or something
[22:18:24] * AaronSchulz  actually can't remember

[22:18:28] <^demon>	 5.4
[22:18:37] <TimStarling>	 goto is used in PHP itself, in code generated by flex/bison
[22:18:48] * hashar  opens a bug to replace while() {} loops  with if() goto statements

[22:18:55] <^demon>	 AaronSchulz: "Removed legacy features: break/continue $var syntax."
[22:19:41] <Dantman>	 Hmmm wait...
[22:19:52] <Dantman>	 I mistook the intent of harmony's do {}
[22:20:14] <Dantman>	 ^_^ it wasn't simply to have a do without a while, it was to turn block statements into expressions
[22:21:00] <Dantman>	 console.log(do { let x = 5; x = calc(x, 3); compute(x); });
[22:21:26] <TimStarling>	 don't you want to be able to write code like this? http://svn.php.net/viewvc/php/php-src/branches/PHP_5_3/Zend/zend_language_scanner.c?revision=323394&view=markup
[22:22:27] <AaronSchulz>	 well, it might be useful for performance
[22:23:31] <Krenair>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Template:Main_Page_layout What do you guys think of this? Source seems to be http://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Template:Main_Page_layout
[22:23:47] <Krenair>	 (copyright violation?)
[22:24:02] <codurr>	 03wikinaut * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112251> 10/trunk/extensions/RSS/ (RSS.php RSSHooks.php): increased wgRSSFetchTimeout default from 5 to 15 seconds - many sites are too slow.
[22:24:51] <^demon>	 Krenair: Deleted, looks like a test.
[22:25:08] <hashar>	 TimStarling: that looks like auto generated code
[22:25:13] <Krenair>	 ok
[22:25:30] <TimStarling>	 it is
[22:25:32] <Krenair>	 Was going to delete it myself but I thought I'd check here first
[22:25:33] <hashar>	 of course"generated by re2c" :)
[22:25:45] <AaronSchulz>	 "That same year, PHP 5.3 was released and included a switch from the flex lexer to re2c which also resulted in a slight performance improvement.'
[22:25:56] <TimStarling>	 yep, but still uses goto
[22:26:16] <hashar>	 we are all using goto anyway
[22:26:19] <TimStarling>	 don't you want to be able to use parser generators that generate PHP?
[22:26:26] <hashar>	 it has just been hidden for years by high level languages
[22:26:40] <codurr>	 03jeroendedauw * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112252> 10/trunk/phase3/includes/Pager.php: docs++
[22:26:53] <codurr>	 03brion * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112253> 10/trunk/extensions/UploadWizard/resources/mw.UploadWizard.js:
[22:26:53] <codurr>	 * (bug 34652) Fix regression in UploadWizard custom language list
[22:26:53] <codurr>	 Fixes regression in r107641 which removed the server portion of the URL from what's passed into mediawiki.loader.load, causing the relative URL not to be recognized as an absolute includable URL
[22:26:56] <jeremyb>	 !r
[22:26:56] <mw-bot>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/`e1
[22:27:04] <jeremyb>	 !r 2
[22:27:04] <mw-bot>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/2
[22:27:05] <Dantman>	 Aaaahhhh... -0
[22:27:45] <jeremyb>	 petan: ping
[22:27:51] <Dantman>	 O_O JavaScript can handle -0
[22:27:56] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) Description field language dropdown shows only 11 languages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34652  +comment (10Brion Vibber)
[22:28:13] <Dantman>	 And I mean handle it. 0 and -0 are actually stored differently in JS
[22:28:16] <brion>	 Reedy, fix for you! https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112253
[22:28:22] <codurr>	 03catrope * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112254> 10/trunk/extensions/ClickTracking/ (ClickTracking.hooks.php ClickTracking.php): Add a configuration variable for disabling tracking of the sidebar links
[22:28:35] <TimStarling>	 is 0 == -0?
[22:28:51] <hashar>	 TimStarling: in PHP context I would not bet for it
[22:28:51] <Dantman>	 TimStarling: Yes, from an equality point
[22:28:54] <Dantman>	 However
[22:28:59] <TimStarling>	 I think I read recently that it is in IEEE
[22:29:07] <Dantman>	 1 / 0 === Infinity && 1 / -0 === -Infinity
[22:29:10] <brion>	 JS numbers are double-precision floats; floats stores sign separately from value so has +0 and -0. INSANE but true :)
[22:29:29] <Reedy>	 Yay
[22:29:35] <TimStarling>	 yeah that's a nice feature
[22:29:40] <codurr>	 03catrope * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112255> 10/trunk/extensions/WikiEditor/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Add a configuration variable for disabling tracking clicks on the toolbar buttons
[22:30:04] <Dantman>	 ^_^ This is almost as good as knowing Lisp supports ratios
[22:30:08] <TimStarling>	 reminds me of limit theory
[22:30:19] <Ashex>	 Is there an extension that does syntax highliting but for IRC logs?
[22:30:22] <AaronSchulz>	 TimStarling: I was about to say that :)
[22:30:25] <hashar>	 heading bed. See you later
[22:30:30] <AaronSchulz>	 instead of -0 it would be 0-
[22:30:34] <AaronSchulz>	 except with superscript
[22:30:46] <TimStarling>	 yep
[22:30:48] <Ashex>	 It's a bit of a weird request, but I'm putting chunks of irc in my wiki for notes.
[22:30:58] <TimStarling>	 lim [x->0-] 1/x and all that
[22:31:22] <Reedy>	 Ashex: not really
[22:31:36] <RoanKattouw>	 Yeah that means "x approaches 0 from the negative side"
[22:31:36] <Ashex>	 Nuts
[22:31:37] <Reedy>	 by not really, I mean no
[22:31:44] <Ashex>	 :(
[22:31:46] <Reedy>	 You could write a formatter for GeSHi
[22:31:59] <^demon>	 You'll probably have to write your own. I can't imagine irc clients are terribly consistent when it comes to logging.
[22:32:02] <Krenair>	 <Ashex> Is there an extension that does syntax highliting but for IRC logs?
[22:32:06] <Krenair>	 Is there a standard format for IRC logs?
[22:32:38] <Ashex>	 Not really
[22:32:47] <codurr>	 03reedy * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112256> 10/branches/wmf/1.19wmf1/extensions/UploadWizard/ (4 files in 2 dirs): MFT r112248, r112250, r112253
[22:32:51] <Krenair>	 Then no. :)
[22:32:53] <Ashex>	 I'm using irssi but Xchat is probably different
[22:33:09] <Ashex>	 It's generally timestamp <user> message
[22:34:51] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) on MediaWiki, pls.change $wgRSSFetchTimeout=15; // read timeout in seconds in E:RSS - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34655 normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (mail)
[22:37:06] <Reedy>	 brion: confirmed! :)
[22:37:16] <brion>	 \oo////
[22:37:35] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Usability: label element in replace of span around checkboxes and radio buttons - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34610   +need-review +patch; +comment (10Sumana Harihareswara)
[22:37:52] <Joan>	 Ashex: I think GeSHi has log highlight support?
[22:38:25] <Joan>	 <source lang="mirc"> ?
[22:38:28] <Ashex>	 Joan: I'll try it out. I've been needing to add a GeSHi extension
[22:38:40] <Joan>	 Oh, maybe that's just the scripting language.
[22:38:47] <Joan>	 I guess you could hack your own language in...
[22:39:14] <Joan>	 lang="email"
[22:39:18] <Joan>	 All kinds of weird options in there.
[22:39:31] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) PhoneGap-based apps 'about' page should include info on 3rd-party libraries - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33800  +comment (10Yuvi Panda)
[22:39:54] <Prodi>	 i'm trying to create a skin named power, and include the css file for it using the following command
[22:39:54] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) Fix up licensing and attribution of the Application and it's contributors - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33912  +comment (10Yuvi Panda)
[22:39:59] <Prodi>	 $out->addModuleStyles( 'skins.power' );
[22:40:02] <codurr>	 New code comment: Brion VIBBER; There was actually a regression in r107641 which dropped the server portion of the URL, breaking the; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/85935#c31402>
[22:40:06] <Prodi>	 but it doesn't seem to be loading anything
[22:41:16] <Dantman>	 heh... safehtml`<a href="${url}?q=${query}" onclick=alert(${message}) style="color: ${color}">${message}</a>`
[22:41:32] <codurr>	 New code comment: Aaron Schulz; I guess this is for b/c but we almost always avoid visibility documentation and just actually make t; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112252#c31403>
[22:41:46] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Wikipedia Android app should have a setting to turn off images - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33866  +comment (10Yuvi Panda)
[22:41:47] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Android app v1.1 tracker - features - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33957  (10Yuvi Panda)
[22:42:11] <Joan>	 lang="lolcode"
[22:43:10] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Usability: label element in replace of span around checkboxes and radio buttons - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34610  +comment (10yaron57)
[22:43:46] <Prodi>	 I figure it's ResourceLoader not loading/parsing my css file properly or something
[22:43:50] <Prodi>	 but can't figure out how to make it work
[22:44:55] <RoanKattouw>	 Prodi: Could you copypaste the definition for the skins.power module?
[22:45:05] <pubsez>	 when the parser cache expires, does it trigger any invalidation on the squid/varnish servers?
[22:45:16] <Prodi>	 well, I copied the monobook folder to power
[22:45:25] <Prodi>	 copied the Monobook.php file to Power.php
[22:45:31] <Prodi>	 and just renamed instances of monobook to power
[22:46:03] <Dantman>	 Prodi: modules are not defined in the skins/ folder
[22:46:16] <Prodi>	 :/
[22:46:23] <RoanKattouw>	 pubsez: When it expires, no. When explicitly purged, yes
[22:46:26] <Dantman>	 skins.{monobook,vector,etc...} for core skins are defined in resources/Resources.php
[22:46:41] <Prodi>	 i see....
[22:46:51] <Prodi>	 so where should I define it?
[22:46:55] <Dantman>	 3rd party skins are better off using the extension-like pattern in the tutorial I wrote
[22:47:04] <Dantman>	 !skinning
[22:47:04] <mw-bot>	 http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Skins>. Skin usage: <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Skins>. Gallery of CSS styles: <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Gallery_of_user_styles>. Writing your own: http://blog.redwerks.org/2012/02/08/mediawiki-skinning-tutorial/ and the historical archive <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Skinning>
[22:47:09] <Dantman>	 Second to last link
[22:47:24] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Form inputs need to reject problem characters - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/30042  (10badon)
[22:47:29] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Pipe escape enhancement - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34613  (10badon)
[22:47:35] <Dantman>	 Though if it's just a custom one for your wiki you could define the module in LocalSettings.php
[22:47:51] <Prodi>	 heh, i have a few wikis running off the same code
[22:47:59] <Prodi>	 would rather not pollute localsettings too much
[22:48:01] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Putting ArticleFeedback for all articles on the Lusophone Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34441  +comment (10Pedroleodato)
[22:48:16] <Prodi>	 but do i just copy the module.monobook and put it in some php file somewhere?
[22:48:22] <pubsez>	 RoanKattouw: I am trying to understand the impact of time sensitive magic words on the squid caches, and based on my understanding so far it appears that there is no attempt to refresh such pages, other than expiring parser cache earlier than usual, is that a correct understanding?
[22:48:33] <RoanKattouw>	 Oh
[22:48:40] <RoanKattouw>	 I think for those there is a timeout on the Squid layer as well
[22:49:24] <pubsez>	 but nothing different for such pages, since by the time squid gets them squid does not know which one has time sensitive magic words and which one doesn't
[22:49:57] <pubsez>	 I mean squid may expire naturally, but my understanding is that there is no difference whether such a page is time sensitive or not
[22:49:59] <Ashex>	 So, What's the recommend code/syntac highlight extension? I see three that looks to be stable
[22:50:38] <Dantman>	 Ashex: SyntaxHighlight_GeSHi
[22:50:50] <Dantman>	 Prodi: What are you really trying to make?
[22:50:57] <Ashex>	 Dantman: thanks
[22:51:32] <Prodi>	 I just used $out->addStyle( 'power/main.css', 'screen');
[22:51:41] <Dantman>	 ugh
[22:52:23] <Prodi>	 not the answer i was expecting :P
[22:53:03] <Dantman>	 Prodi: Doing that disables RTL support, minification, our concatenation code meant to make your wiki more efficient, and other features like inine image embedding to reduce HTTP calls
[22:53:06] <Prodi>	 incidentally, that's also the comment on the next line in monobook
[22:53:19] <RoanKattouw>	 pubsez: I think we do tell Squid about time-sensitive magic words, or at least we tell it "this page may be cached for up to 1 hour max"
[22:54:02] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) [SF] 2.4; Add new parser function #queryformlink - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34309  (10badon)
[22:54:10] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) [SF] Special:RunQuery forms when embedded cannot be preloaded - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33426  (10badon)
[22:54:14] <Prodi>	 12(Dantman12): would it be sufficient to put the module definition at the bottom of the Power.php file?
[22:54:23] <pubsez>	 RoanKattouw: in my tests I couldn't see any difference, through http response headers, let me check again
[22:54:33] <Dantman>	 Prodi: No, skin class files are not loaded in load.php
[22:55:06] <Dantman>	 Prodi: What are you really tring to make; A skin based on monobook with css tweaks? A completely custom skin? ...?
[22:55:12] <Prodi>	 well
[22:55:16] <Prodi>	 i have a few skins
[22:55:20] <Prodi>	 this is the simplest
[22:55:28] <Prodi>	 this is just a css remake
[22:55:42] <Prodi>	 the other ones actually change the main php
[22:55:51] <Prodi>	 so trying to get this simple case working first
[22:56:07] <Dantman>	 You using the same markup that Monobook uses?
[22:56:25] <Prodi>	 Power.php == Monobook.php
[22:56:43] <Prodi>	 (mostly, added analytics/other custom js)
[22:56:43] <Dantman>	 Do you plan to rewrite the css, or mostly just add stuff to it?
[22:56:59] <Prodi>	 http://www.metroidwiki.org/wiki/Main_Page
[22:57:00] <Dantman>	 Prodi: You don't need to modfy skins to add anayltics
[22:57:01] <Prodi>	 that's the skin
[22:57:08] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) GPL and App source code links on about page are not clickable - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34656 normal; Mobile Apps: Wikimedia; (sam)
[22:58:09] <Dantman>	 Prodi: Then doing this by doing a MonoBook copy is a bad idea
[22:58:13] <codurr>	 03jeroendedauw * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112257> 10/trunk/phase3/includes/Pager.php: fix doc, this is not an array
[22:58:16] <Prodi>	 12(Dantman12): are you suggesting one of the analytics extension?
[22:58:25] <Dantman>	 !analytics | Prodi
[22:58:25] <mw-bot>	 Prodi: See <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Dantman/Analytics_integration> for techniques on adding analytics scripts using your LocalSettings file.
[22:58:44] <codurr>	 03jeroendedauw * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112258> 10/trunk/extensions/EducationProgram/ (4 files in 4 dirs): work on single course display for students on special:mycourses
[22:58:51] <Dantman>	 The extensions are horrible, analytics is really some simple boilerplate inside of your localsettings
[22:58:54] <pubsez>	 RoanKattouw: I really don't see any difference in the headers, they are exactly same
[22:59:01] <RoanKattouw>	 hmm
[22:59:06] <RoanKattouw>	 What's Cache-Control say
[22:59:07] <pubsez>	 one has {{CURRENTTIME}} and one doesn't
[22:59:09] <Dantman>	 90% of the actual code is the analytics code your analytics provider gives you
[22:59:16] <RoanKattouw>	 Well, the headers that YOU get, probably not
[22:59:23] <RoanKattouw>	 The headers that SQUID gets, however...
[22:59:42] <Prodi>	 12(Dantman12): yea, which is why i'm just doing it manually
[22:59:53] <Prodi>	 and also I add my ad scripts at the same time
[23:00:00] <Prodi>	 but i'll look into switching to what you suggested
[23:00:03] <Prodi>	 seems interesting
[23:00:26] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Audio and video files are broken in mobile - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/30859  summary (10Brion Vibber)
[23:00:40] <codurr>	 03aaron * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112259> 10/trunk/phase3/includes/filerepo/backend/FileBackend.php: Improved profiling of a few functions a bit
[23:00:45] <Prodi>	 SkinAfterBottomScripts << that's using the sychronous js
[23:00:50] <Prodi>	 i'm using the async in the header stuff
[23:01:00] <Prodi>	 is there another hook i can use for that?
[23:01:01] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) 3rd party library list should be localised - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34657 normal; Mobile Apps: Wikimedia; (sam)
[23:01:51] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Text for 3rd party library licenses should be links to the license documentation - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34658 normal; Mobile Apps: Wikimedia; (sam)
[23:02:07] <Prodi>	 but anywayz, this stuff is more minor
[23:02:17] <Prodi>	 i'd really like to get the automatic minificatino for the css files
[23:02:25] <Dantman>	 Prodi: Async code doesn't need to be in the head
[23:02:26] <Prodi>	 for the full custom skin
[23:02:33] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Audio and video files are broken in mobile - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/30859  +comment (10brion)
[23:03:15] <Dantman>	 Prodi: Where do you put the ad code?
[23:04:17] <Prodi>	 just before the content area
[23:04:54] <Prodi>	 http://strategywiki.org/wiki/Main_Page
[23:05:15] <Prodi>	 that's the heavily customized skin
[23:05:15] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) 3rd party library list should be localised - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34657  normal->15enhancement (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[23:05:19] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Text for 3rd party library licenses should be links to the license documentation - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34658  normal->15enhancement (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[23:05:25] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) GPL and App source code links on about page are not clickable - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34656  normal->minor (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[23:06:14] <Dantman>	 Prodi: Do you need the ads in the monobook-based one
[23:06:25] <Prodi>	 nope
[23:06:30] <Prodi>	 well
[23:06:32] <Prodi>	 not yet :)
[23:06:52] <Prodi>	 but like I said, the monobook one is just for practice
[23:08:03] <Prodi>	 i could just use MediaWiki:Monobook.css, but for now I have to have it named separately
[23:08:14] <codurr>	 03aaron * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112260> 10/trunk/extensions/OggHandler/OggHandler_body.php: Use getLocalRefPath() for shell scripts that need a source file
[23:08:24] <pubsez>	 RoanKattouw: hmm, I see
[23:09:11] <Dantman>	 Prodi: A simple MonoBook based skin should look more like this: http://p.defau.lt/?HwKeROnmjevZVXNfNcSSRQ
[23:09:29] <Dantman>	 Prodi: Whoops, except remove the `$wgExtensionMessagesFiles['Power'] = dirname(__FILE__).'/Power.i18n.php';` line
[23:10:06] <Dantman>	 Prodi: What yo ureally want to do is create a subclass of the monobook skin, use the same template, and add your own css IN ADDITION TO the MonoBook css.
[23:10:18] <codurr>	 03catrope * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112261> 10/branches/wmf/1.18wmf1/extensions/ (7 files in 3 dirs): 1.18wmf1: MFT r112254, r112255
[23:10:29] <Prodi>	 interesting
[23:10:42] <codurr>	 03khorn * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112262> 10/branches/fundraising/deployment/payments_1.17/extensions/DonationInterface/ (20 files in 2 dirs): MFT r111992, r111993, r112177, r112187, r112188
[23:10:43] <Dantman>	 Prodi: Then from your css you only add the css you need. Not modify a copy of the css.
[23:10:53] <codurr>	 03catrope * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112263> 10/branches/wmf/1.19wmf1/extensions/ (7 files in 3 dirs): 1.19wmf1: MFT r112254, r112255
[23:10:56] <Prodi>	 unfortunately, someone else gave me this skin
[23:11:07] <Dantman>	 Prodi: This cuts down on your code. And also means that things won't break when MonoBook gets updated.
[23:11:07] <Prodi>	 and i don't feel like messing with the css file that's already been customized
[23:11:29] <codurr>	 03aaron * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112264> 10/branches/wmf/1.19wmf1/extensions/OggHandler/OggHandler_body.php: MFT r112260
[23:11:34] <Prodi>	 but that's sweet
[23:11:43] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Audio and video files are broken in mobile - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/30859  +comment (10brion)
[23:11:51] <Prodi>	 will put it on my todo to switch to that :)
[23:11:56] <Dantman>	 I should consider writing a tutorial on skin subclasses.
[23:12:00] <Prodi>	 i notice you still have
[23:12:00] <Prodi>	 		$out->addModuleStyles( 'skins.power' );
[23:12:30] <Prodi>	 that's the definition in power.php?
[23:12:35] <Prodi>	 $wgResourceModules['skins.power'] = array(
[23:12:35] <Prodi>	 ?
[23:12:39] <Dantman>	 mhmm
[23:12:51] <Prodi>	 and that's from the root folder right?
[23:12:55] <Prodi>	 so for example
[23:13:02] <Prodi>	 /w/power/Power.php
[23:13:02] <Dantman>	 skins/power/power.php
[23:13:08] <Prodi>	 oh
[23:13:22] <Dantman>	 And from your LocalSettings.php require_once it like an extension
[23:13:28] <Prodi>	 lol
[23:13:55] <Prodi>	 ok
[23:14:00] <Prodi>	 thanks for all the help :)
[23:14:44] <codurr>	 03ben * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112265> 10/trunk/extensions/SwiftMedia/wmf/rewrite.py: when the back end returns something other than a 404, use that HTTP status code rather than 404.
[23:15:31] <francis_>	 exit
[23:17:03] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) "Drop media file to donate here" sometimes silently fails - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34601  +comment (10Erik Moeller)
[23:17:30] <codurr>	 03reedy * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112266> 10/branches/wmf/1.19wmf1/languages/messages/ (12 files): Revert r107309 out of 1.19wmf1
[23:19:46] <codurr>	 03catrope * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112267> 10/trunk/extensions/CustomUserSignup/ (CustomUserSignup.hooks.php CustomUserSignup.php): Allow disabling of the ClickTracking invocation in CustomUserSignup, and disable it by default
[23:20:39] <codurr>	 03inez * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112268> 10/trunk/extensions/VisualEditor/demos/playground/playground.js: Recogonize if input came from spellcheck or from keyboard (Chrome)
[23:20:50] <codurr>	 03rmoen * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112269> 10/trunk/extensions/VisualEditor/modules/ve/es/ve.es.Surface.js: Rework general input to no longer clear during IME. Polling interval for non keyDown text comparison. Chunked text insertion for all normal keys which makes nice transactions and clears input.
[23:21:13] <codurr>	 03catrope * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112270> 10/branches/wmf/1.19wmf1/extensions/CustomUserSignup/ (. CustomUserSignup.hooks.php CustomUserSignup.php): 1.19wmf1: MFT r112267
[23:23:09] <codurr>	 03catrope * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112271> 10/branches/wmf/1.18wmf1/extensions/CustomUserSignup/ (. CustomUserSignup.hooks.php CustomUserSignup.php): 1.18wmf1: MFT r112267
[23:23:31] <codurr>	 New code comment: Aaron Schulz; Is it resp.status or resp.code?; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112265#c31404>
[23:24:23] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Probable Javascript loading issues (navigation and tabbing issues, multiple browsers) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34450  +comment (10erik)
[23:26:10] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Special:Contributions/Newbies lists contributions by user "Newbies" instead of new account edits - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34659 normal; MediaWiki: Special pages; (neil)
[23:29:35] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Special:Contributions/Newbies lists contributions by user "Newbies" instead of new account edits - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34659  +comment (10Aaron Schulz)
[23:34:11] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Special:Contributions/Newbies lists contributions by user "Newbies" instead of new account edits - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34659  +comment (10neil)
[23:34:31] <codurr>	 New code comment: Bhartshorne; resp.status, according to http://docs.webob.org/en/latest/reference.html#id2. I tested it to verify; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112265#c31405>
[23:36:29] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) DOM modification at module execute versus $wgResourceLoaderExperimentalAsyncLoading - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34538  +comment (10krinklemail)
[23:37:13] <codurr>	 03pgehres * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112272> 10/trunk/extensions/DonationInterface/donationinterface.php: Adding the new i18n file to settings so that it is actually loaded. FU r112187
[23:37:39] <pubsez>	 RoanKattouw: do you know which header is different? I looked at Cache-Control and they are same
[23:40:27] <RoanKattouw>	 It's probably only in the Squid <-> Apache communication
[23:40:38] <RoanKattouw>	 Can you give me a URL with a time-sensitive thing and one without so I can compare internally?
[23:40:42] <Krinkle>	 RoanKattouw: I'm unexpected awesomeness in Firebug
[23:40:46] <Krinkle>	 seeing some*
[23:40:51] <Krinkle>	 RoanKattouw: http://i.imgur.com/dWnN5.png
[23:41:14] <Krinkle>	 notice the jQuery data() key-value next to the <meta>
[23:41:56] <Krinkle>	 hat's not a regulär element property, so Firebug is optimizing for jQuery specifics ? (or browserstack has some jQuery-plugin for the Firebug add-on)
[23:42:15] <Krinkle>	 anyway, unexpected awesomeness
[23:42:21] <RoanKattouw>	 heh, nice
[23:42:41] <codurr>	 03jeroendedauw * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112273> 10/trunk/extensions/EducationProgram/ (3 files in 3 dirs): work on special:mycourses
[23:42:43] <RoanKattouw>	 It could be a data- attribute
[23:42:49] <RoanKattouw>	 I know jQuery can use those transparently now
[23:43:00] <RoanKattouw>	 At least read them, it's possible that it writes them as well
[23:43:05] <Krinkle>	 RoanKattouw: jQuery reads once from them
[23:43:50] <Krinkle>	 read-only as fallback when the requested key is not present in the object for this elements jQuery-UID in the data cache
[23:43:52] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) TypeError: event.originalTarget.getElementsByTagName is not a function - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34608  +comment (10brion)
[23:44:09] <AaronSchulz>	 RoanKattouw: haha, r99317 is still tagged with your name
[23:44:39] <RoanKattouw>	 !r 99317
[23:44:39] <mw-bot>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/99317
[23:45:01] <RoanKattouw>	 Crap I still need to CR that odn't I
[23:45:26] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Script tag within p, which may cause incorrect Facebook snippet - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34660 normal; Wikimedia: Fundraising - misc; (matthew.flaschen)
[23:45:30] <Krinkle>	 RoanKattouw: just a general note, I don't know if this was committed before or after, but I did a fairly major overhaul of FlaggedRevs js at some point
[23:45:41] <codurr>	 03jeroendedauw * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112274> 10/trunk/extensions/EducationProgram/EducationProgram.i18n.php: message tweak
[23:45:49] <Lcawte>	 I was going to say why are you hear so late, then I remembered you live in a different timezone now, and of course, crazy people like you and Reedy stay up until crazy-oclock anyway, right, RoanKattouw ? :P
[23:46:02] <RoanKattouw>	 Yup :)
[23:46:10] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) DOM modification at module execute versus $wgResourceLoaderExperimentalAsyncLoading - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34538  +comment (10tstarling)
[23:46:21] <RoanKattouw>	 It's 3:45pm for me, but it is crazy late for Reedy and Krinkle 
[23:46:29] <Reedy>	 Waaa
[23:46:33] <Lcawte>	 Its 23:46 for Reedy :P
[23:46:45] <Reedy>	 23:46 id not crazy late
[23:47:25] <AaronSchulz>	 Krinkle: I think that was before
[23:47:30] <Lcawte>	 Reedy: yeah, because you work whenever you feel like it, or atleast, more normal hours, going to bed at midnight, and getting up at 6PM to get out the door everyday, to be bored to death for 6 hours a day :P
[23:50:29] <Lcawte>	 Hmm, apparently I'm supposed to get 10-12 hours sleep a day... so thats what... going to bed at like...6-8PM.. thats crazy, I'm not doing that, I'd get 4 hours online before I had to go to bed...
[23:51:13] <codurr>	 03khorn * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112275> 10/branches/fundraising/deployment/payments_1.17/extensions/DonationInterface/donationinterface.php: MFT r112272
[23:53:15] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) [SF] Special:RunQuery enhancement to be able to populate red-links automatically - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34150  +comment (10fastgoldfish)
[23:53:36] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) DOM modification at module execute versus $wgResourceLoaderExperimentalAsyncLoading - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34538  +comment (10krinklemail)
[23:53:44] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Search box sometimes has pixel-wide left/top margin - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34661 normal; Mobile Apps: Wikimedia; (erik)
[23:54:57] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) DOM modification at module execute versus $wgResourceLoaderExperimentalAsyncLoading - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34538  +comment (10krinklemail)
[23:55:20] <Krinkle>	 RoanKattouw: TrevorParscal: Who came up with the name 'top' and 'bottom' for the queues :P ?
[23:55:32] <RoanKattouw>	 I don't remember
[23:55:51] * TrevorParscal  blames roan

[23:56:04] <TrevorParscal>	 I like now and later personally, because it reminds me of candy...
[23:56:10] <TrevorParscal>	 mmmmm…. candy....
[23:56:41] <TrevorParscal>	 probably best to use something like blocking and non-blocking (terminology aside)
[23:56:44] * Krinkle  fails to see the link with candy, unless it's not referring to the obvious meaning of the word

[23:56:56] <TrevorParscal>	 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Now_and_Later
[23:57:20] <Krinkle>	 of course, in America there's candy for every word in the dictionary.
[23:59:47] <TrevorParscal>	 http://blog.trevorparscal.com/2011/10/popularity-of-now-and-later-flavors.html