[00:02:14] * Krinkle  wanders off to the latest post on the blof

[00:02:16] * Krinkle  wanders off to the latest post on the blog

[00:02:24] <Krinkle>	 You're back!
[00:02:53] <Krinkle>	 I'm really passionate about Panic Coda, but also looking for alternatives so I'll definitely give that one a try
[00:03:00] <TrevorParscal>	 right on
[00:03:14] <TrevorParscal>	 yeah, Inez and Christian are using Coda I think
[00:03:44] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) DOM modification at module execute versus $wgResourceLoaderExperimentalAsyncLoading - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34538  +comment (10tstarling)
[00:04:00] <Krinkle>	 The main reason I use it (or rather, the reason/features I actually want/use a lot in Coda) are syntax highlighting, tabs, split screen, file browser, and SFTP/FTP build-in
[00:04:21] <Krinkle>	 not used but cool occasionally: shell terminal and html live preview
[00:04:23] <codurr>	 03rmoen * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112276> 10/trunk/extensions/VisualEditor/modules/ve/es/ve.es.Surface.js: Fixed bug when moving cursor with click. Calling showCursor after input regains focus prevents browser from freakishly scrolling
[00:05:13] <Krinkle>	 TrevorParscal: + "[usually]" ;-)
[00:05:31] <codurr>	 03tparscal * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112277> 10/trunk/extensions/VisualEditor/modules/ve/es/ (ve.es.Content.js ve.es.Node.js): very minor fixes
[00:05:42] <Krinkle>	 oh and  + "when I'm not too busy." :D
[00:07:03] <Dantman>	 Krinkle: I've been using Sublime Text 2 and Transmit
[00:07:42] <Krinkle>	 yeah, but I like to have a file browser panel and editor-tabs in 1 window. Before Coda I used TextMate which has the same feature 
[00:07:45] <TrevorParscal>	 i use cyberduck for ftp
[00:07:47] <Dantman>	 Every time I use an editor with Multi-Edit mode I feel at home
[00:08:15] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Trunk core versions 112xxx broken: no toolbar (editbar) icons - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34662 major; MediaWiki: User interface; (mail)
[00:08:17] <Dantman>	 Krinkle: How featured of a file browser panel?
[00:08:17] <Krinkle>	 I see from the screenie that Sublime also has a file browser?
[00:08:27] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Trunk core versions 112xxx broken: no toolbar (editbar) icons - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34662  (10T. Gries)
[00:08:28] <Krinkle>	 but probably not for remote
[00:08:41] <TrevorParscal>	 you can use osx to connect to the remote server though
[00:08:42] <Dantman>	 Well, Sublime doesn't have build in remote support
[00:08:42] <TrevorParscal>	 i guesss
[00:08:52] <Dantman>	 I've never needed it
[00:08:53] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Probable Javascript loading issues (navigation and tabbing issues, multiple browsers) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34450  +comment (10mail)
[00:08:58] <Dantman>	 I mount with Transmit
[00:09:00] <TrevorParscal>	 sublime works great for working on a repo
[00:09:09] <TrevorParscal>	 anything mounted or local
[00:09:11] <Dantman>	 Just like I used .gvfs on Ubuntu
[00:09:25] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Trunk core versions 112xxx broken: no toolbar (editbar) icons - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34662  +comment (10mail)
[00:09:48] <Krinkle>	 TrevorParscal: yeah, I do a lot of FTP and SFTP editing though
[00:10:08] <Krinkle>	 obviously versioning and commit/update is better for anything large
[00:10:11] <Krinkle>	 even small
[00:10:21] <TrevorParscal>	 Krinkle: i do too, i just use cyberduck
[00:10:38] <Krinkle>	 http://i.imgur.com/MM2SG.png
[00:11:33] <Krinkle>	 there's 1 little thing in that screenshot that I've been hating for exactly a year now
[00:11:38] <Krinkle>	 and it's not Coda's fauly
[00:11:42] <Krinkle>	 mediawiki.action
[00:11:46] <Krinkle>	 can't open that normally in the tree
[00:11:46] <hexmode>	 Krinkle: did you, by chance, have any more time to look at the debug=true bug on commons?
[00:12:06] <Krinkle>	 TrevorParscal: friggin Apple Automator hijacking the place
[00:12:12] <Krinkle>	 .action "directory" packages
[00:12:24] <Dantman>	 heh
[00:12:33] <Krinkle>	 You don't happen to have a solution for that?
[00:12:44] <Krinkle>	 I can right click and show package contents, but then I'm no longer in the rest of the tree
[00:13:11] <Dantman>	 Sublime doesn't have that kind of thing anyways
[00:13:12] <Krinkle>	 (just like .app packages)
[00:14:52] <Krinkle>	 hexmode: no
[00:15:04] <Krinkle>	 haven't run into it either though
[00:15:05] <Ryan_Lane>	 is there some pre-defined thing I can add to a form to make it autocomplete usernames?
[00:15:26] <Krinkle>	 hexmode: although I haven't consciously thought about it, I've modified some scripts and debugged on commons today, didn't' notice anything
[00:15:32] <Krinkle>	 hexmode: what bug?
[00:15:44] <hexmode>	 Krinkle: anon & Main_page&debug=true
[00:15:59] <hexmode>	 Krinkle: page flashes, goes blank
[00:16:22] <Krinkle>	 oh it's on 1.19
[00:16:26] <hexmode>	 Krinkle: I should probably create a bug report ;)
[00:16:31] <Krinkle>	 please do
[00:16:40] <Krinkle>	 did this start after 1.19
[00:17:03] <RoanKattouw>	 Ryan_Lane|away: jquery.ui.autocomplete
[00:17:56] <hexmode>	 Krinkle: I only noticed now
[00:18:07] <hexmode>	 but yes, bug report coming
[00:18:18] <Krinkle>	 hexmode: when is 'now'? I remember you talking about something like this 1-2 days ago
[00:18:58] <hexmode>	 Krinkle: today, maybe there was something else 1-2 days ago... but this was just today
[00:19:17] <Krinkle>	 RoanKattouw: Hm.. I don't know why or how, but apparently with the local patch I have now @import isn't working
[00:19:36] <Krinkle>	 RoanKattouw: just like it didn't in your version
[00:19:55] <Krinkle>	 So I guess it wasn't related to the way of creating stuff
[00:19:59] <Krinkle>	 it needs to be on top
[00:20:01] <Krinkle>	 http://blog.crankybit.com/why-isnt-import-working-in-css/
[00:20:36] <Krinkle>	 my local cache was probably from a point where I had it all in separate <style> tags, and then afterwards I tested in IE, which is the exception to the rule
[00:29:27] <Krinkle>	 RoanKattouw: Sounds like a job for a unit test
[00:30:34] <RoanKattouw>	 Yup
[00:32:46] <codurr>	 03rmoen * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112278> 10/trunk/extensions/VisualEditor/modules/ve/es/ve.es.Surface.js: follow up to r112276, fixed bug which prevented word selection
[00:34:02] <codurr>	 New code comment: Krinkle; Marking fixme for needing to: \ * check media attribute in the <code>.is()</code> check. You'll need a; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110988#c31406>
[00:40:31] <codurr>	 New code comment: Jeroen De Dauw; Almost always? I seriously hope no one just documents it's visibility and not actually enforces it f; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112252#c31407>
[00:43:03] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Search box sometimes has pixel-wide left/top margin - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34661  +comment (10brion)
[00:43:30] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) CDB errors show up instead of any content - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34663 normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (mah)
[00:44:07] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) CDB errors show up instead of any content - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34663  +comment (10brion)
[00:44:35] <codurr>	 03krinkle * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112279> 10/trunk/phase3/tests/qunit/ (4 files in 2 dirs): [JSTesting] Refactor mw.loader test to be more extendable
[00:44:53] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) CDB errors show up instead of any content - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34663  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[00:45:36] <Ryan_Lane|away>	 RoanKattouw: any good examples for me to look at?
[00:46:09] <Ryan_Lane>	 I'm trying my hardest to do the smallest amount of coding possible :)
[00:46:14] <RoanKattouw>	 heh
[00:46:22] <RoanKattouw>	 hmm lemme see if we've converted the search bar to jui autocomplete yet
[00:46:35] <RoanKattouw>	 hmm nope
[00:46:50] <RoanKattouw>	 You're looking for user name autocompletion? That should be like 10-20 lines
[00:46:53] <RoanKattouw>	 Let me just write that for you
[00:47:04] <Ryan_Lane>	 RoanKattouw: march 15th is taken for meetup time
[00:47:07] <Ryan_Lane>	 so...
[00:47:11] <Ryan_Lane>	 they say the week after is good
[00:47:19] <Ryan_Lane>	 is the 22nd good with you?
[00:47:38] <RoanKattouw>	 Marc h22?
[00:47:41] <Ryan_Lane>	 yep
[00:47:52] <RoanKattouw>	 Well, depends, would it be in the evening?
[00:47:57] <RoanKattouw>	 I have a 9am flight on the 23rd :)
[00:48:02] <Ryan_Lane>	 ugh
[00:48:08] <Ryan_Lane>	 it would be in the evening, yes
[00:48:12] <RoanKattouw>	 OK well
[00:48:13] <Ryan_Lane>	 likely 6 or 7pm
[00:48:15] <RoanKattouw>	 That's fine
[00:48:18] <RoanKattouw>	 I wouldn't stay *too* late
[00:48:19] <Ryan_Lane>	 and ending latest at 10
[00:48:23] <RoanKattouw>	 I will have to get up at like 6 so
[00:48:28] * Ryan_Lane  nods

[00:48:42] <Ryan_Lane>	 you're *supposed* to be tired for flights :D
[00:48:48] <RoanKattouw>	 Ah, no? :)
[00:48:55] <RoanKattouw>	 I scheduled this one specifically to be all daytime
[00:48:59] <Ryan_Lane>	 ah
[00:49:01] <RoanKattouw>	 I arrive at 6am CET == 10pm PDT
[00:49:09] <Ryan_Lane>	 I see
[00:49:11] <RoanKattouw>	 On purpose, arriving at 5am your brain time gets old
[00:49:19] <Ryan_Lane>	 :D
[00:49:30] <codurr>	 03rmoen * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112280> 10/trunk/extensions/VisualEditor/modules/ve/dm/ve.dm.Surface.js: minor fixes: removed whitespace, added semicolon
[00:49:42] <Ryan_Lane>	 so, as long as it ends at 10pm you'll be fine? :)
[00:49:55] <RoanKattouw>	 Yeah, if I can reasonably go home at 9 or 10 I'll be good
[00:49:59] <Ryan_Lane>	 cool
[00:50:00] <RoanKattouw>	 I can always bail early
[00:50:22] <Ryan_Lane>	 yeah
[00:50:30] <RoanKattouw>	 I'll probably just pack in the morning, come in a bit late, and work till the start of the event
[00:50:56] <pubsez>	 RoanKattouw: sorry I missed your reply
[00:51:22] <Ryan_Lane>	 ok. I'll see if I can set it up
[00:51:32] <pubsez>	 I logged apache's response to squid for Cache-Control and expires and I didn't see any difference
[00:51:53] <RoanKattouw>	 Right
[00:52:03] <RoanKattouw>	 But if you give me the URLs, I can see what the internal Apache-to-Squid response is
[00:52:05] <pubsez>	 for testing I used {{CURRENTTIME}}
[00:52:17] <RoanKattouw>	 You can't see that because you don't have access to the internal network
[00:52:18] <pubsez>	 in another page I use some regular text
[00:52:27] <RoanKattouw>	 URLs of the test pages?
[00:52:36] <RoanKattouw>	 Or did you not do this on a WMF wiki?
[00:52:40] <pubsez>	 you mean in the official wikipedia? yes I set up a mediawiki myself and tested it on that environment
[00:52:47] <RoanKattouw>	 Oh OK
[00:52:55] <RoanKattouw>	 Could you try it out on like a user subpage on Wikipedia?
[00:53:08] <pubsez>	 sure, let me do that
[00:53:59] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Javascript errors in firebug and page flash on commons when debug=true - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34664 normal; MediaWiki: Javascript; (mah)
[00:55:20] <pubsez>	 this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Pubsez/test vs http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Pubsez
[00:55:33] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Javascript errors in firebug and page flash on commons when debug=true - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34664  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[00:59:21] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) TypeError: event.originalTarget.getElementsByTagName is not a function - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34608  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[00:59:21] <pubsez>	 RoanKattouw: what's the default expiration time for pages by the way
[01:00:56] <codurr>	 03krinkle * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112281> 10/trunk/phase3/tests/qunit/data/testrunner.js: [JSTesting] mock/restore mw.messages as well, like mw.config
[01:02:48] <RoanKattouw>	 Ryan_Lane: Totally untested but this should be pretty close at least http://pastebin.com/YWgtJ3WT
[01:03:02] <Ryan_Lane>	 cool
[01:03:06] <RoanKattouw>	 Depends on the jquery.ui.autocomplete and mediawiki.util modules
[01:03:13] <Ryan_Lane>	 why don't we have some kind of library for this kind of stuff? :)_
[01:03:20] <RoanKattouw>	 oh oops
[01:03:32] <Ryan_Lane>	 I'd imagine that it's fairly often needed
[01:03:46] <RoanKattouw>	 small typofix http://pastebin.com/nWvTqkCK
[01:03:52] <RoanKattouw>	 Well, I mean look at the code
[01:04:03] <RoanKattouw>	 We have libraries handling most of it already, it's 25 lines
[01:04:06] <Krinkle>	 yeah, very few of it can be DRY'ed
[01:04:27] <RoanKattouw>	 The result format differs between API methods so there's not much to pull out here
[01:04:45] <Ryan_Lane>	 ah
[01:04:59] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) jQuery UI Datepicker div visible - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34609  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[01:05:21] <Ryan_Lane>	 it would be nice if this existed in htmlform, though
[01:05:28] <RoanKattouw>	 I guess
[01:05:33] <RoanKattouw>	 We could make a jQuery plugin for common use cases
[01:05:36] <RoanKattouw>	 Such as usernames, page titles
[01:05:37] <Ryan_Lane>	 where I could mark specific fields as certain types of auto-complete
[01:05:39] <RoanKattouw>	 That's definitely a good idea
[01:05:39] <Ryan_Lane>	 yeah
[01:05:44] <pubsez>	 RoanKattouw: did you see my links?
[01:05:45] * RoanKattouw  bookmarks this code to reuse it later

[01:05:53] <RoanKattouw>	 pubsez: Sorry no, looking in scrollback
[01:06:03] <RoanKattouw>	 Git them
[01:06:05] <RoanKattouw>	 *Got them
[01:06:14] <Ryan_Lane>	 RoanKattouw: thanks for the code!
[01:06:24] <RoanKattouw>	 Sure
[01:06:27] <pubsez>	 thanks, let me know if you see anything different, I am really curious if mediawiki sites treat them differently
[01:06:36] <Dantman>	 Ah... Roan...... now what did I have to say yesterday
[01:06:50] <pubsez>	 from squid of course, since I understand that for parser cache they are treated differently
[01:07:21] <Dantman>	 Oh right... that was probably that ResourceLoader discussion I had with someone else
[01:07:21] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Javascript errors in firebug and page flash on commons when debug=true - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34664  +comment (10brion)
[01:07:47] <RoanKattouw>	 pubsez: Hmm, wtf, you're right
[01:07:49] <RoanKattouw>	 This does not work
[01:07:58] <RoanKattouw>	 Which is really strange because I swear I've seen code that makes this work
[01:08:08] <Krinkle>	 RoanKattouw: Hm.. no content-type text/css headers sent for load.php css responses?
[01:08:21] <pubsez>	 I looked at the code myself a little, but haven't seen a difference yet
[01:09:05] <RoanKattouw>	 Krinkle: Ah, there should be?
[01:09:14] <Krinkle>	 well, I guess..
[01:09:25] <Krinkle>	 the js response is doing text/javascript; charset utf8
[01:09:51] <RoanKattouw>	 Sure
[01:09:56] <RoanKattouw>	 And what does the CSS response give you?
[01:10:02] <Krinkle>	 none
[01:10:06] <Krinkle>	 no content-type that is
[01:10:35] <Krinkle>	 Chrome does send "Accept:text/css,*/*;q=0.1" based on the fact that it's a <link>
[01:11:01] <RoanKattouw>	 Content-Type: text/css; charset=utf-8
[01:11:05] <RoanKattouw>	 Is what I see
[01:11:12] <Krinkle>	 http://localhost/mw/trunk/phase3/load.php?debug=false&lang=en&modules=mediawiki.legacy.commonPrint%2Cshared%7Cskins.vector&only=styles&skin=vector&*
[01:11:15] <RoanKattouw>	 For HEAD /fr.wikipedia.org/load.php?debug=false&lang=fr&modules=mediawiki.legacy.commonPrint%7Cmediawiki.legacy.shared%7Cskins.vector&only=styles&skin=vector HTTP/1.0
[01:11:49] <RoanKattouw>	 I get Content-Type	text/css; charset=utf-8 on localhost as well
[01:11:56] <RoanKattouw>	 According to firebug
[01:12:01] <RoanKattouw>	 And netcat gives me the same on bits
[01:12:02] <Krinkle>	 http://i.imgur.com/ZQpP1.png
[01:12:15] <RoanKattouw>	 Try Firebug
[01:12:18] <RoanKattouw>	 Maybe Chrome is just on crack
[01:12:59] <Ryan_Lane>	 RoanKattouw: ok. tentative meetup march 22nd from ~6-10
[01:13:04] <codurr>	 03aaron * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112282> 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/backend/FlaggedRevs.hooks.php:
[01:13:04] <codurr>	 Fixes to parserFetchStableFile() hook:
[01:13:04] <codurr>	 * Do not set $options to have false values for sha1 (or timestamp just in case).
[01:13:04] <codurr>	 Parser will try to lookup via SHA1 if the sha1 parameter is set, even if it's
[01:13:05] <codurr>	 set to false. This can mean fetching the file with SHA1 equal to "", which is
[01:13:06] <RoanKattouw>	 Yay
[01:13:06] <codurr>	 apparently code for the Swedish flag...
[01:13:07] <codurr>	 * Actually append ?filetimestamp= instead of writing over the whole $query var.
[01:13:43] <Krinkle>	 RoanKattouw: nope; http://i.imgur.com/d364Y.png
[01:14:05] <codurr>	 03reedy * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112283> 10/trunk/extensions/DoubleWiki/DoubleWiki.php: Change url to point at mw.org
[01:14:51] <Krinkle>	 RoanKattouw: btw, the patch I sent earlier that supposedly fixes the media-attribtue ignorance bug, it didn't fix it entirely
[01:15:01] <Krinkle>	 it now creates multiple ones instead of none at all
[01:15:04] <Krinkle>	 alternating between one and the other
[01:15:08] <Krinkle>	 prev() :D
[01:15:18] <tfinc>	 hexmode: you there?
[01:15:24] <Krinkle>	 if prev().is() -> .. , else create new one
[01:15:43] <hexmode>	 tfinc: yes
[01:15:56] <RoanKattouw>	 Aaah
[01:16:02] <tfinc>	 hexmode: did you move all of our bugs into "Mobile apps" -> Wikimedia ?
[01:16:09] <Krinkle>	 RoanKattouw: also, I imagine bugs when there's styles for "screen" and some for "all" 
[01:16:10] <RoanKattouw>	 Yeah so you'd need to have an object somewhere that maps media types to jQuery objects
[01:16:12] <Krinkle>	 wrong order
[01:16:12] <RoanKattouw>	 Have a map that tracks them
[01:16:20] <codurr>	 03aaron * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112284> 10/branches/wmf/1.19wmf1/extensions/ (. FlaggedRevs/ FlaggedRevs/backend/FlaggedRevs.hooks.php): MFT r112282
[01:16:24] <RoanKattouw>	 Does the order matter there at all?
[01:16:33] <RoanKattouw>	 Hmm I guess it does, all before screen
[01:16:43] <Krinkle>	 not per se for the media type
[01:16:52] <hexmode>	 tfinc: not yet, busy with the 1.19 stuff
[01:17:01] <tfinc>	 hexmode: if you didn't .. who did /
[01:17:02] <tfinc>	 ?
[01:17:09] <hexmode>	 oh.... 
[01:17:13] <hexmode>	 I guess I did
[01:17:14] <tfinc>	 because even though i pointed out on the list it was a bad idea .. their now all moved
[01:17:14] <Krinkle>	 but if some stuff should cascade after other stuff, the order will get messed up if they have a different media-type
[01:17:17] <tfinc>	 breaking all of our docs
[01:17:23] <Krinkle>	 which wouldn't be messed up if there were separate style tags
[01:17:26] <RoanKattouw>	 Oooh of course
[01:17:28] <codurr>	 03awjrichards * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112285> 10/trunk/extensions/MobileFrontend/ (MobileFrontend.body.php tests/MobileFrontendTest.php): Added support and corresponding test for creating mobile URLs where the mobile-ness of the URL is denoted in its path. This just adds the method to do this - it is not implemented elsewhere in the MobileFrontend code.
[01:17:34] <hexmode>	 tfinc: checking
[01:17:48] <RoanKattouw>	 Krinkle: Hmm but don't we do @media wrapping within modules?
[01:17:52] <tfinc>	 1) we were already having a discussion about not following that structure 
[01:18:03] <tfinc>	 2) all documentation should be updated when a move like that happens
[01:18:05] <Krinkle>	 RoanKattouw: so media-type is always "all" then ?
[01:18:06] <tfinc>	 neither of those happened
[01:18:07] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Upload Wizard - The file you submitted was empty - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34387  (10herzi.pinki)
[01:18:12] <RoanKattouw>	 I... don't know
[01:18:15] <RoanKattouw>	 You'd have to read the code
[01:18:19] <Krinkle>	 k
[01:19:53] <Krinkle>	 RoanKattouw: Yeah, looks like it
[01:20:05] <Krinkle>	 both production and debug wrap in @media sections, unless media is not defined in the module
[01:20:27] <Krinkle>	 so probably safest to avoid the bug together by not allowing media to be set
[01:20:33] <Krinkle>	 for the style tag, from implement
[01:20:43] <RoanKattouw>	 Yeah
[01:20:50] <RoanKattouw>	 If you're reasonably sure it's never not set to 'all'
[01:21:08] <Krinkle>	 I'll do a trace from inside implement to be sure
[01:21:10] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) [patch] LIKE queries with spaces in search term broken for Page properties in SMW 1.6+ - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34665 normal; MediaWiki extensions: Semantic MediaWiki; (andrew.daugherity+wikibugs)
[01:21:15] <Krinkle>	 logging keys from the style object
[01:21:24] <hexmode>	 tfinc: the only discussion I was aware of was what the devs told me on IRC.  I only saw the on-list discussion after the email I started.  I was hoping you would give me a list of components if you wanted it changed.
[01:21:51] <hexmode>	 the email I sent was sent *after* I made the changes
[01:22:00] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) [patch] LIKE queries with spaces in search term broken for Page properties in SMW 1.6+ - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34665  (10Andrew Daugherity)
[01:22:04] <hexmode>	 sorry if that wasn't clear
[01:22:11] <Krinkle>	 console.log(module, 'style', Object.keys(style));
[01:22:18] <Krinkle>	 RoanKattouw: jep, all are [] or ['all']
[01:22:22] <tfinc>	 which devs did you talk to?
[01:22:38] <Krinkle>	 even for commonPrint
[01:22:48] <codurr>	 03awjrichards * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112286> 10/trunk/extensions/MobileFrontend/ (MobileFrontend.body.php MobileFrontend.php): Updating comments to reflect addition of URL path templating support
[01:28:25] <Krinkle>	 RoanKattouw: So how do you want to handle this, I don't feel like changing the format of object implement() takes
[01:28:38] <Krinkle>	 i.e. from an object to an array, since we no longer need the media-type key
[01:28:43] <RoanKattouw>	 Oh, right
[01:28:54] <RoanKattouw>	 Just drop the media key and keep it as an object?
[01:28:57] <RoanKattouw>	 We might want to add keys later
[01:29:39] <codurr>	 03khorn * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112287> 10/branches/fundraising/deployment/payments_1.17/extensions/DonationInterface/ (42 files in 14 dirs): MFT r101785, r105938, r105941, r105953, r106109, r106158, r106259, r106366, r106493, r106495, r106836, r106902, r107299, r107322, r107609, r107690, r107981, r108522, r108541, r112188
[01:29:48] <Krinkle>	 right now all are empty strings (if the module has no styles the server gives { "": .. }, not {}). or "all" if there are styles
[01:33:55] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) generateSitemap.php got error when language set to chinese - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34666 major; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (zoglun)
[01:35:33] <Krinkle>	 k, got a whole bunch of stuff in my working copy. Will go through step by stop, this is for later
[01:35:33] <Krinkle>	 noted
[01:38:22] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) drop image file sometimes creates no thumb and does not complete - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34667 normal; MediaWiki: Images and files; (cmcmahon)
[01:39:01] <codurr>	 03aaron * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112288> 10/trunk/tools/mwmultiversion/multiversion/ (backupWikiversions switchAllMediaWikis): Split out wikiversions.dat backup script and made a few small cleanups.
[01:40:30] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) drop image file sometimes creates no thumb and does not complete - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34667  (10Aaron Schulz)
[01:41:04] <codurr>	 New code comment: Krinkle; Also, aside from checking the media-attribute. Just checking it isn't enough. Doing so would still c; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110988#c31408>
[01:43:35] <codurr>	 03inez * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112289> 10/trunk/extensions/VisualEditor/demos/playground/playground.js: Testing new approach figure out where the change is coming from based on the cursor offset, not based on key events
[01:44:26] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) drop image file sometimes creates no thumb and does not complete - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34667  +comment (10cmcmahon)
[01:46:48] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Image on Commons is not displayed in a generated PDF file - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34611  +comment (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[01:48:56] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) drop image file sometimes creates no thumb and does not complete - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34667  (10Rob Lanphier)
[01:50:27] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) File link-feature should not allow external links - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34541  +comment (10Bergi)
[01:52:05] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Logs corrupt or have big delays - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34653  (10Aaron Schulz)
[01:57:26] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Revise template for https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=Wikipedia%20App - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34668 normal; Wikimedia: Bugzilla; (tfinc)
[01:57:28] <Milossh>	 hey; when wikimedia is inserting some styles, it adds <style> #foo {} </style> and validatorcomplains about it
[01:57:37] <Milossh>	 does anyone know how can I tweak that?
[02:00:30] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Special:NewImages/250 transclusion only show 50 newest images - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33037  normal->major (10Mew Regions)
[02:01:04] <Milossh>	 it looks like "makeGlobalVariablesScript" is what's bringing that part in
[02:01:31] <Milossh>	 that's actually "<script> foo() {} </script>"
[02:06:42] <codurr>	 03reedy * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112290> 10/trunk/phase3/includes/api/ApiParamInfo.php:
[02:06:42] <codurr>	 Examples can just be a string
[02:06:42] <codurr>	 So if it's not false, it can be string|array, if it's a string, just put it in an array
[02:07:22] <Reedy>	 AaronSchulz: ^
[02:08:36] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Revise template for https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=Wikipedia%20App - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34668  +comment (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[02:10:13] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Image on Commons is not displayed in a generated PDF file - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34611  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[02:11:36] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Add all extensions used by WMF to Jenkins - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34617  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[02:11:55] <codurr>	 03reedy * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112291> 10/branches/wmf/1.19wmf1/ (. includes/ includes/api/ includes/api/ApiParamInfo.php): MFT r112290
[02:12:01] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Install MoodBar on fr.wikisource - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34618   +shell (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[02:12:20] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Support for INR symbol - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34650  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[02:12:52] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Make a group blacklist for ssh key changes - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34651  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[02:16:04] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Logs corrupt or have big delays - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34653  +comment (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[02:16:54] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) rebuildImages.php --missing halts with error upon encountering any filename which it wants to rename - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34654  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[02:17:27] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) on MediaWiki, pls.change $wgRSSFetchTimeout=15; // read timeout in seconds in E:RSS - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34655  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[02:18:06] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) GPL and App source code links on about page are not clickable - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34656  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[02:19:25] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) r110988 broke @import - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34669 critical; MediaWiki: Resource Loader; (krinklemail)
[02:20:44] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Check all wikis for inclusions of http resources on https - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34670 normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (sam)
[02:21:36] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) r110988 broke @import - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34669  (10Krinkle)
[02:41:27] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Android Wikipedia app is not a valid helper app like third-party apps. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34671 normal; Wikipedia App: Generic; (pete.public.email)
[02:41:51] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Android Wikipedia app is not a valid helper app like third-party apps. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34671  (10Pete F)
[02:43:16] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Android Wikipedia app is not a valid helper app like third-party apps. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34671  +comment (10Pete F)
[02:45:43] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Special:Contributions/Newbies lists contributions by user "Newbies" instead of new account edits - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34659  +comment (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[02:45:58] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Special:Contributions/Newbies lists contributions by user "Newbies" instead of new account edits - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34659  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[02:46:25] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) Android Wikipedia app is not a valid helper app like third-party apps. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34671  +comment (10Tomasz Finc)
[02:48:37] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) switching search target project of search window has to be changed by switching the language - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34672 critical; Wikimedia Mobile: devices; (ryuch)
[02:49:09] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Android Wikipedia app is not a valid helper app like third-party apps. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34671  +comment (10pete.public.email)
[03:00:02] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) switching search target project of search window has to be changed by switching the language - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34672  +comment (10tfinc)
[03:00:11] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Wikipedia pages not complying with CC-BY-SA license - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34673 critical; Wikipedia App: Generic; (pete.public.email)
[03:01:15] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Special:Contributions/Newbies lists contributions by user "Newbies" instead of new account edits - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34659  (10Rob Lanphier)
[03:11:31] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) New aliases for ko.wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34407  +comment (10Chong-Dae Park)
[03:13:55] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) DoubleWiki not working in 1.19 (see frwikisource) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34674 normal; MediaWiki extensions: [other]; (robla)
[03:14:07] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) DoubleWiki not working in 1.19 (see frwikisource) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34674  (10Rob Lanphier)
[03:17:06] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) GPL and App source code links on about page are not clickable - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34656  (10Tomasz Finc)
[03:17:06] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) New aliases for ko.wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34407  +comment (10sam)
[03:20:42] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Clicking on citation links doesn't take you to the reference unless the reference section has been previously expanded - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33913  +comment (10Pete F)
[03:23:07] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) DoubleWiki not working in 1.19 (see frwikisource) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34674  (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[03:23:59] <robla>	 Reedy: ^ ?
[03:24:10] <robla>	 DonationInterface?
[03:24:14] <Reedy>	 Moving it to the DoubleWiki component
[03:24:32] <robla>	 there is one?
[03:24:37] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) DoubleWiki not working in 1.19 (see frwikisource) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34674  (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[03:24:37] <Reedy>	 Out by 1 error
[03:25:01] <robla>	 Reedy: was that always there, or did you just make that?
[03:25:16] <Reedy>	 It was always there
[03:25:31] <robla>	 hmmm...must have missed it
[03:25:46] <Reedy>	 it's quite easily done
[03:26:37] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Enable Canadian English in LanguageSelector - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34675 normal; Wikimedia: Extension setup; (techman224)
[03:27:24] <wikibugs>	 14(WFM) Enable Canadian English in LanguageSelector - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34675  +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[03:27:34] <Reedy>	 From memory Chad and I pushed most of the DoubleWiki updates out to the cluster
[03:27:40] <Reedy>	 have to see what the differences are
[03:32:15] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) DoubleWiki not working in 1.19 (see frwikisource) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34674  +comment (10sam)
[03:33:25] <codurr>	 03reedy * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112292> 10/branches/wmf/1.19wmf1/extensions/DoubleWiki/DoubleWiki_body.php: Reverting r99937 to see if it fixes bug 34674
[03:33:25] <wikibugs>	 04(REOPENED) Enable Canadian English in LanguageSelector - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34675  +comment (10Techman224)
[03:33:56] <codurr>	 03tstarling * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112293> 10/trunk/extensions/ContributionTracking/ContributionTracking_body.php: Fix conflict with SpecialPage::msg(), introduced in 1.19
[03:35:30] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Enable Canadian English in LanguageSelector - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34675  +comment (10sam)
[03:35:59] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Support for INR symbol - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34650  +comment (10junu.pv+public)
[03:36:42] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Enable Canadian English in LanguageSelector - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34675  +comment (10techman224)
[03:37:09] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) DoubleWiki not working in 1.19 (see frwikisource) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34674  +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[03:37:17] <codurr>	 New code comment: Reedy; bug 34674; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/99937#c31409>
[03:37:24] <codurr>	 03tstarling * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112294> 10/branches/wmf/1.19wmf1/extensions/ContributionTracking/ContributionTracking_body.php: MFT r112293: 1.19 compat
[03:40:45] <codurr>	 03reedy * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112295> 10/trunk/extensions/DoubleWiki/DoubleWiki_body.php: Revert r99937 to fix bug 34674 in trunk
[03:49:46] <codurr>	 New code comment: Tim Starling; This broke wikimediafoundation.org.; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/95959#c31410>
[03:51:40] * AaronSchulz  quietly slips out the door...

[03:53:55] <codurr>	 03tstarling * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112296> 10/trunk/extensions/skins/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Updates for r95957/r95959, committing for test on server
[03:55:00] <codurr>	 03tstarling * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112297> 10/branches/wmf/1.19wmf1/extensions/skins/ (3 files in 3 dirs): MFT r112296: fixes for 1.19 compatibility
[03:55:32] <wikibugs>	 14(INVALID) Enable Canadian English in LanguageSelector - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34675  +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[03:56:53] <Reedy>	 Invalid is so more fun than WFM
[03:59:25] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) extra dimentional table sorting - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34676 enhancement; MediaWiki: User interface; (nothereforever)
[04:01:50] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) extra dimentional table sorting - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34676  +comment (10nothereforever)
[04:03:53] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) NoBogusUserpages without right i18n - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34607  +comment (10Hazard-SJ)
[04:06:11] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Check all wikis for inclusions of http resources on https - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34670  +comment (10sam)
[04:08:24] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Add abusefilter-viewprivate userright on all wikis and give it to all Administrators - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34677 normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (RSYQFIOJGWZA)
[04:26:13] <Dantman>	 Parser::braceSubstitution could really use some refactoring into a system that would allow multiple hook points
[04:29:52] <codurr>	 03tstarling * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112298> 10/trunk/phase3/includes/api/ApiFeedContributions.php: ContribsPager can't accept multiple namespaces, passing an array causes a warning in DatabaseMysql::strencode(). Not sure if/how this worked in 1.18 but it's broken in 1.19wmf1. Tested.
[04:31:28] <codurr>	 03tstarling * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112299> 10/branches/wmf/1.19wmf1/includes/api/ApiFeedContributions.php: MFT r112298: mysql_real_escape_string() warning
[04:56:16] <codurr>	 New code comment: Tim Starling; This broke 4 extensions. We're getting OOM errors on wikimediafoundation.org because of it.; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/94908#c31411>
[04:56:58] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) New Hook: "InternalParseBeforeSanitize" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34678 enhancement; MediaWiki: Parser; (Danweetz)
[05:14:49] <codurr>	 03tstarling * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112300> 10/trunk/extensions/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Fixes for r94907/r94908: change in fallback behaviour allowing infinite loops. Tested SecurePoll and LandingCheck, not DonationInterface.
[05:16:39] <codurr>	 03tstarling * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112301> 10/branches/wmf/1.19wmf1/extensions/ (3 files in 3 dirs): MFT r112300: fallback infinite loops
[05:20:49] <codurr>	 03tstarling * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112302> 10/trunk/extensions/FundraiserPortal/Templates/donateScripts.js: Partial revert of r111989: the FundraiserPortal change appears to have been both broken an unnecessary.
[05:28:30] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) switching search target project of search window has to be changed by switching the language - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34672  +comment (10ryuch)
[05:31:43] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) New aliases for ko.wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34407  (10Hotae Kim)
[05:40:19] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Search box sometimes has pixel-wide left/top margin - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34661  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[05:40:32] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) File is in an inconsistent deletion state - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33292  +comment (10Skier Dude)
[05:41:21] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Javascript errors in firebug and page flash on commons when debug=true - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34664  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[05:42:36] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) generateSitemap.php got error when language set to chinese - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34666  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[05:42:47] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Revise template for https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=Wikipedia%20App - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34668  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[05:42:57] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) r110988 broke @import - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34669  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[05:43:33] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Check all wikis for inclusions of http resources on https - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34670  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[05:51:32] <codurr>	 New code comment: Tim Starling; For the record, on my laptop with Firefox 10, a global variable reference takes about 0.6us longer t; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111989#c31412>
[05:56:51] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Check all wikis for inclusions of http resources on https - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34670  +comment (10mah)
[05:57:47] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) switching search target project of search window has to be changed by switching the language - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34672  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[05:58:08] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Wikipedia pages not complying with CC-BY-SA license - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34673  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[06:00:26] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Add abusefilter-viewprivate userright on all wikis and give it to all Administrators - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34677  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[06:18:08] <jayvdb>	 how do we obtain access to review pending changes on mw.org ?
[06:18:46] <p858snake|l_>	 You request editor permission
[06:18:52] <p858snake|l_>	 what is your username
[06:18:57] <jayvdb>	 John Vandenberg
[06:23:39] <Dantman>	 if ( !$found && $args->getLength() == 0 ) { Ahhhhh... now I get it
[06:24:01] <Dantman>	 Don't match magic variables when used with arguments
[06:24:10] <Dantman>	 ie: {{CURRENTDAY|FOO}}
[06:24:49] <Dantman>	 jayvdb: You have commit?
[06:24:54] <jayvdb>	 thx p858snake|l_
[06:24:59] <jayvdb>	 Dantman, yes
[06:25:27] <Dantman>	 If you've got commit to the svn repo you can just get a another coder to give you the coder right.
[06:25:51] <Dantman>	 coder seams to have flaggedrevs rights in addition to the code review stuff
[06:26:21] <jayvdb>	 my commit access is only for pywiki, if that makes a difference
[06:26:29] <Dantman>	 oh
[06:26:59] <Dantman>	 Well, to be fair code review includes pywikipedia
[06:27:08] <robla>	 yeah....let 'em in  :)
[06:27:32] <jayvdb>	 ive got hundreds of mediawiki patches to refresh and put through code review
[06:27:51] <jayvdb>	 looking forward to being off arbcom ;-)
[06:28:22] <robla>	 jayvdb: what sort of MediaWiki patches do you have stored up?
[06:29:12] <jayvdb>	 mostly extensions.  some that are more or less core, like Cite
[06:29:14] * Dantman  has microdata and security patches

[06:29:52] <jayvdb>	 ive been plodding away at https://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposal:Dublin_Core
[06:31:24] <Dantman>	 jayvdb: Have you read RDFa?
[06:32:24] <jayvdb>	 yes
[06:32:52] <Dantman>	 Thoughts on it in that context?
[06:33:05] <Skizzerz>	 jayvdb: did you make a post on Project:Requests?
[06:33:17] <jayvdb>	 im not interested in it :P
[06:33:56] <jayvdb>	 im interested in getting OAI and SPARQL access methods
[06:34:25] <Skizzerz>	 (I was referring to editor privs)
[06:35:55] <p858snake|l_>	 Skizzerz: i've already done
[06:36:00] <Skizzerz>	 kk
[06:36:18] <jayvdb>	 done per IRC
[06:36:46] <p858snake|l_>	 anyway to get PendingChanges to chuck out a list of people who have actually been checking the changes?
[06:37:42] <jayvdb>	 im not sure if anything is in core; the German Wikipedia has/had a separate reporting mechanism, on toolserver iirc
[06:39:43] <Joan>	 Using "core" is confusing there, as it generally refers to MediaWiki core.
[06:40:32] <Dantman>	 Looking at that proposal I was thinking that rather than some strange Dublin core template or parser function templates should add Dublin core RDFa attributes to the page. Then we have code which parses out RDFa from page contents and presents normal RDF documents for a certain action.
[06:43:08] <jayvdb>	 Dantman, this problem is like the migration of license information into the schema
[06:43:25] <jayvdb>	 currently it is in the page wikitext
[06:45:03] <Dantman>	 And?
[06:46:00] <jayvdb>	 the "strange Dublin core template" isnt there to display anything - it is to standardise the recording so that it can be parsed by the backend and used in the OAI extension
[06:46:29] <jayvdb>	 which outputs DC records and not HTML
[06:46:30] <Dantman>	 And I'm saying that's not necessary.
[06:46:40] <jayvdb>	 k; im listening ?
[06:46:50] <Dantman>	 I'm saying that instead it would be better to use RDFa.
[06:47:22] <Dantman>	 Instead of trying to parse that strange template directly. That strange template includes Dublin core data formatted with RDFa.
[06:47:28] <jayvdb>	 record RDFa in the wiki text ?
[06:47:48] <Dantman>	 You throw the page through the parser, extract the semantics from the RDFa, and put it wherever you want
[06:47:57] <Dantman>	 No hacks
[06:48:20] <Dantman>	 Sure, it's not like we don't support RDFa attributes
[06:48:46] <Dantman>	 In fact support for them is on by default
[06:49:01] <jayvdb>	 eww; used the parsed html to generate OAI_DC records.  haha.  and thats not a hack ?
[06:49:15] <jayvdb>	 used->use
[06:49:33] <Dantman>	 No.
[06:49:45] <jayvdb>	 bbs
[06:50:00] <Nav_>	 i have doubt on blog
[06:50:02] <Dantman>	 Not when you're extracting it using a formal standard that random 3rd parties can even use.
[06:50:32] <Nav_>	 hi can u help me
[06:50:39] <Dantman>	 RDFa is essentially RDF semantic data in html. There's a standard for it.
[06:51:26] <Dantman>	 There's no standard for extracting RDFa mixed in with WikiText as hacky template calls ;)
[06:53:54] <Nav_>	 can any one help me
[06:55:45] <p858snake|l_>	 !help Nav_
[06:55:45] <mw-bot>	 http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Nav_
[06:55:52] <p858snake|l_>	 !ask | Nav_
[06:55:52] <mw-bot>	 Nav_: Hi, how can we help you? Just ask your question.
[06:56:11] <Nav_>	 hi 
[06:56:24] <Nav_>	 i have doubt on blog
[06:56:37] <jayvdb>	 Dantman, a OAI server needs to be fast; when a client first hits it, they want to see results.
[06:56:45] <Nav_>	 Can i create my blog in wiki
[06:57:53] <Dantman>	 jayvdb: It's not like we're not already parsing the page for other reasons. And it's not like we're new to the whole parse-then-cache.
[06:57:56] <Nav_>	 i have doubt in blogs
[07:00:10] <jayvdb>	 I can see the sense in it ;-)
[07:00:17] <Nav_>	 hi
[07:00:20] <Nav_>	 hi
[07:00:21] <Nav_>	 hi
[07:00:36] <jayvdb>	 hi Nav_, you can do anything with a wiki :P
[07:01:06] <Nav_>	 do i need certain code to do blog in wiki page
[07:01:31] <Dantman>	 MediaWiki is not built to be a blog, it's built to be a wiki.
[07:02:17] <Nav_>	 ya k. but can i create blog in wiki using that
[07:02:44] <Nav_>	 means i created a wiki page there i need a blog section is it possible?
[07:08:00] <varnent>	 a problem with private wikis..you have this nice new toy to show off..and the only ppl that can actually see it..don't really understand it anyway  :)
[07:08:48] <badon>	 haha
[07:09:01] <badon>	 Semantic Forms helps.
[07:10:12] <varnent>	 lol - well the usage part i'm not worried about - just an anticlimactic conclusion "taxa!" off neat toys and wording to folks who are like "meh" and don't appreciate all the underlying code and work  :)
[07:10:20] <varnent>	 *tada
[07:10:56] <varnent>	 at least with public wikis you can show another geek and be like "eh..ehh..ehhhh"
[07:11:24] <varnent>	 ah well  :)
[07:33:26] <mghaffari>	 I need a plugin to the list of users with access permissions to give them
[07:34:16] <codurr>	 New code comment: Nikerabbit; Which ones?; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111991#c31413>
[07:35:46] <codurr>	 New code comment: Nikerabbit; I thought I fixed all extensions to use getFallback'''s''For. Obviously it is not nice to have getFa; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/94908#c31414>
[07:39:37] <mghaffari>	 I mean the plugin which let the manager to give diverse autorities to users. For example Editor or something like this.
[07:48:52] <codurr>	 03maxsem * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112303> 10/trunk/extensions/MobileFrontend/ (ApiParseExtender.php ApiQueryExcerpt.php MobileFormatter.php): Fixed bug with earlier versions of libxml
[07:51:16] <codurr>	 New code comment: Nikerabbit; Doesn't that need i18n?; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112213#c31415>
[07:52:25] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Enable Kannada Transliteration by default - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34591  +comment (10niklas.laxstrom)
[07:54:55] <Dantman>	 Oooh... heh, evil
[08:00:02] <codurr>	 New code comment: Nikerabbit; parseInt should have second parameter to always use base 10. Not fan of the custom html attributes, ; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112215#c31416>
[08:01:38] <codurr>	 03maxsem * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112304> 10/trunk/extensions/MobileFrontend/tests/MobileFormatterTest.php: Follow-up r112303: and tests too
[08:07:25] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Script error when reverting username with Arabic scripts - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34679 trivial; MediaWiki: History/Diffs; (bknliem)
[08:19:17] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Script error when reverting username with Arabic scripts - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34679  +comment (10bknliem)
[08:57:46] <codurr>	 New code comment: Nikerabbit; What's the difference anyway? do Both work?; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112216#c31417>
[09:02:53] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) add a variable and parser function for the namespace number - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34355  (10fomafix)
[09:19:31] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) bitmap editing possibilities is not working - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34680 normal; MediaWiki extensions: Babel; (mabdul)
[09:21:07] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Feedback text overlaps with personal bar on Tamil Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34681 major; MediaWiki extensions: Moodbar; (srik.lak)
[09:21:08] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Tamil Wiki projects (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/32578  (10Srikanth Logic)
[09:24:09] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Moving of category not possible - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34682 normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (wikipedia.create)
[09:24:18] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) bitmap editing possibilities is not working - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34680  (10mabdul)
[09:26:05] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Moving of category not possible - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34682  (10wikipedia.create)
[09:41:04] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Image on Commons is not displayed in a generated PDF file - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34611  +comment (10ralf)
[09:43:43] <codurr>	 03ezachte * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112305> 10/trunk/wikistats/squids/SquidReportArchive.pl: many print statements -> &Log function, die -> abort
[09:49:02] <wikibugs>	 14(INVALID) Create mobile main page for Telugu Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/28652  +comment (10Srikanth Logic)
[09:49:25] <Hydriz>	 Grr I hate MediaWiki 1.19
[09:49:54] <Hydriz>	 JS breaks when it feels like it
[09:51:27] <codurr>	 03ezachte * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112306> 10/trunk/wikistats/squids/SquidReportArchive.pl: many regexps for literals added / updated
[09:56:54] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Group listing in user preferences page is garbage - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34620  +comment (10mitchell_neill)
[09:59:26] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) create a new group in console of labs - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34683 normal; Wikimedia Labs: Unspecified; (benapetr)
[09:59:36] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) [MW 1.19] Files with dollar signs redirect to main page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34684 normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (listenleser)
[09:59:44] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) create a new group in console of labs - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34683  (10Peter Bena)
[10:00:17] <Nikerabbit>	 usually it breaks if it is badly written
[10:02:16] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Enable irc feed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34685 normal; Wikimedia Labs: Unspecified; (benapetr)
[10:02:32] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Enable irc feed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34685  normal->major (10Peter Bena)
[10:03:33] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Enable irc feed for labsconsole.wikimedia.org site - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34685  summary (10Peter Bena)
[10:06:24] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) [MW 1.19] Files with dollar signs redirect to main page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34684  +comment (10Steef)
[10:16:38] <codurr>	 03wikinaut * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112308> 10/trunk/extensions/RSS/ (RELEASE-NOTES RSS.php RSSData.php RSSParser.php):
[10:16:39] <codurr>	 v2.00 can parse ATOM feeds, at least some. This is a major improvement over
[10:16:39] <codurr>	 pre-2.00 versions which only could read and parse RSS feeds but no ATOM feeds.
[10:16:39] <codurr>	 Version 2.00 begins to keep care of namespaces in the XML. The parser still
[10:16:40] <codurr>	 leaves room for further improvements. At least, E:RSS can now read
[10:16:41] <codurr>	 E:WikiArticleFeeds generated RSS _and_ ATOM feeds.
[10:19:38] <codurr>	 03jdlrobson * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112309> 10/trunk/extensions/MobileFrontend/ (7 files in 4 dirs): (log message trimmed)
[10:19:38] <codurr>	 separate banner code from search code and toggle code
[10:19:38] <codurr>	 this separates all the banner code into a separate banner
[10:19:38] <codurr>	 added test file test_banner and moved tests from test_application
[10:19:39] <codurr>	 here
[10:19:40] <codurr>	 this allows us more flexibility to do things such as not serve banner
[10:19:41] <codurr>	 code for certain devices which don't need it.
[10:23:46] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) [MW 1.19] Files with dollar signs redirect to main page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34684  normal->04BLOCKER (10Krinkle)
[10:25:26] <wikibugs>	 04(REOPENED) mw.loader.load calls document.write from asynchronous scripts - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34542  +comment (10Michael M.)
[10:26:31] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) [Regression] File pages named having a dollar sign + number redirect to main page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34684  summary; +comment (10Krinkle)
[10:28:53] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) [Regression] File pages named having a dollar sign + number redirect to main page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34684   +code-update-regression (10p858snake)
[10:28:57] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) mw.loader.load calls document.write from asynchronous scripts - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34542  +comment (10listenleser)
[10:29:53] <p858snake|l_>	 TimStarling: 34684 (just ^^), krinkle doesn't seem to repro it on his local box, maybe swift issue?
[10:31:09] <TimStarling>	 I don't think it's a swift issue
[10:33:33] <TimStarling>	 it looks like WebRequest::getPathInfo()
[10:34:03] <TimStarling>	 PathRouter etc.
[10:34:26] <TimStarling>	 maybe Dantman is awake
[10:34:34] <Dantman>	 hmmm?
[10:34:49] <TimStarling>	 https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=34684
[10:35:00] <TimStarling>	 looks like your area
[10:37:07] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Make moved css/js pages not fail on parse error due to "#REDIRECT" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33973  summary (10Krinkle)
[10:39:26] <Dantman>	 Pft... I forgot to add one special character to my tests
[10:39:43] <Dantman>	 I handled the usual &, etc... but forgot to consider $
[10:40:05] <Dantman>	 It's probably not hard to fix. I added as many other special characters as I can think of to my tests.
[10:41:31] <Dantman>	 Gah... oven
[10:41:41] * MaxSem  mumbles s omething about fuzz tests

[10:41:54] <OrenOf>	 is there a git command to get the fetch the code as it was on say may 12th 2010 so I can test a patch
[10:42:22] <MaxSem>	 hmm, feed log into grep?
[10:42:46] <OrenOf>	 if not could some one walk me though it ?
[10:45:17] <MaxSem>	 git log swupports --after and --before
[10:53:16] <Dantman>	 *facepalm*
[10:56:33] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) mw.loader.load calls document.write from asynchronous scripts - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34542  (10Michael M.)
[10:59:11] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Logs corrupt or have big delays - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34653  +comment (10rainerrillke)
[11:06:04] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Feature request: Upload refuses if no file-extension is specified - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/29789  +comment (10rainerrillke)
[11:07:30] <chombium>	 hi, how can I load jQuery in mw 1.17 using the ResourceLoader? Any example?
[11:10:26] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) on MediaWiki, pls.change $wgRSSFetchTimeout=15; // read timeout in seconds in E:RSS - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34655  +comment (10Subfader)
[11:11:47] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) CDB errors show up instead of any content - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34663   +platformeng; +comment (10Antoine "hashar" Musso)
[11:14:10] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) MyISAM warning even if you don't get to choose - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34430  +comment (10Antoine "hashar" Musso)
[11:15:35] <codurr>	 03ezachte * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112312> 10/trunk/wikistats/squids/SquidScanCsvFiles.pl: simple file to collect historic trend data for charting (right now only browser distribution stats, in daily/weekly/monthly versions)
[11:19:10] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Support loading wiki pages through mediaWiki.loader.load() - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/25845  (10mybugs.mail)
[11:19:23] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Add support in the front-end for loading wiki pages as resources - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/27281  (10mybugs.mail)
[11:20:21] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Moving of category not possible - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34682  major->15enhancement (10Antoine "hashar" Musso)
[11:30:36] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Patrol log should refer to the user performing the action instead of the user who made the patrolled edit - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34495  summary (10Krinkle)
[11:31:42] <codurr>	 03dantman * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112313> 10/trunk/phase3/ (3 files in 2 dirs):
[11:31:42] <codurr>	 Fix bug 34684 in my PathRouter code:
[11:31:42] <codurr>	 - Update the tests to test extra characters and patterns like like \\ and $1
[11:31:43] <codurr>	 - Also update the tests to make sure that matches that don't have enough data to work fail
[11:31:44] <codurr>	 - Replace the str_replace and preg_match based code with code based on preg_replace_callback.
[11:32:02] <codurr>	 New code comment: Krinkle; Hm.. really ? \ <pre> \ 4737 + '1movedto2' => 'moved [[$1]] to [[$2]]', \ 4738 + '1m; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112066#c31418>
[11:32:31] <codurr>	 New code comment: Krinkle; Oh, I guess it's just a bad variable name. Keeping fixme for now, if anyone has confirmed it live to; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112066#c31419>
[11:36:22] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) [Regression] File pages named having a dollar sign + number redirect to main page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34684  +comment (10Daniel Friesen)
[11:36:58] <Dantman>	 TimStarling: Fixed
[11:37:15] <TimStarling>	 thanks, I'll push it out
[11:37:37] <codurr>	 03wikinaut * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112314> 10/trunk/extensions/RSS/ (RELEASE-NOTES RSS.php RSSData.php RSSParser.php): v2.01 fixed ATOM summary element was forgotten to be parsed. Added handling of basic HTML layout tags (p br b u i s) in feed descriptions, they are preserved in the wiki output after sanitizing.
[11:37:45] <Dantman>	 TimStarling: ;) I will say though. The code would have been easier and smaller if we were using 5.3
[11:40:30] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Left alligned images should come alongside text - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34686 normal; MediaWiki extensions: MobileFrontend; (srik.lak)
[11:40:30] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Tamil Wiki projects (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/32578  (10Srikanth Logic)
[11:46:16] <freakolowsky>	 lo
[11:47:27] <codurr>	 03wikinaut * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112315> 10/trunk/extensions/RSS/RSSData.php: improved code legibility function namespacePrefixedQuery
[11:51:01] <codurr>	 New code comment: Krinkle; Release-notes maybe?; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111918#c31420>
[12:01:18] <codurr>	 03tstarling * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112316> 10/branches/wmf/1.19wmf1/ (3 files in 2 dirs): MFT r112313: fix dollar signs in PATH_INFO
[12:03:54] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Add support for KML/KMZ filetype - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/26059  +comment (10Bryan.TongMinh)
[12:04:47] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) [Regression] File pages named having a dollar sign + number redirect to main page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34684  (10Tim Starling)
[12:06:14] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Feature request: Upload refuses if no file-extension is specified - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/29789  +comment (10vivekee047)
[12:09:57] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Logs corrupt or have big delays - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34653  +comment (10Bryan.TongMinh)
[12:10:42] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) ParserOptions::mEditSection is not pushed down to - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34687 major; MediaWiki: Parser; (vitalif)
[12:11:45] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Incorrect head scripts when useHeadElement=false - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34600  normal->major; +comment (10Vitaliy Filippov)
[12:12:36] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) ParserOptions::mEditSection is not passed to ParserOutput - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34687  summary (10Vitaliy Filippov)
[12:13:46] <codurr>	 New code comment: VitaliyFilippov; This causes Bug 34687; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/99250#c31421>
[12:21:41] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Probable Javascript loading issues (navigation and tabbing issues, multiple browsers) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34450  (10mybugs.mail)
[12:25:21] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Make babel extension case aware in order to avoid clashes with existing user templates - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34680  summary (10Jarek Tuszynski)
[12:31:15] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Bug with updating - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34688 critical; Huggle: Application; (vgweb)
[12:37:24] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Make babel extension case aware in order to avoid clashes with existing user templates - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34680  +comment (10Jaroslaw.W.Tuszynski)
[12:41:38] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Bug with updating - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34688  04CRIT->normal; +comment (10Peter Bena)
[12:44:28] <FutPerf>	 I'm trying to change a toolbox link in the sidebar, through an edit to [[MediaWiki:Uploadwizard-url]]. Is that the right place to change, and should it be expected to have an immediate effect? https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Uploadwizard-url&diff=prev&oldid=478595139
[12:50:54] <Twirt199>	 I just wanted to create an Infinite recursion Uncyclopedia In-joke but Mr-ex777 said there seems to be something wrong with using {{Infinite recursion}} as a template which does not happen when the title is directly accessed. See http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Template:Infinite_recursion and http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/User:Mr-ex777/Infinite_recursion - what might that bug be?
[12:52:33] <Twirt199>	 I just wanted to create an Infinite recursion Uncyclopedia In-joke but Mr-ex777 said there seems to be something wrong with using {{Infinite recursion}} as a template which does not happen when the title is directly accessed. See http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Template:Infinite_recursion and http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/User:Mr-ex777/Infinite_recursion - what might that bug be?
[12:52:45] <codurr>	 03ialex * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112318> 10/trunk/phase3/includes/specials/SpecialFewestrevisions.php: Use local context to get message
[12:55:07] <Twirt199>	 I just wanted to create an Infinite recursion Uncyclopedia In-joke but Mr-ex777 said there seems to be something wrong with using {{Infinite recursion}} as a template which does not happen when the title is directly accessed. See http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Template:Infinite_recursion and http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/User:Mr-ex777/Infinite_recursion - what might that bug be?
[12:56:56] <Mr-ex777>	 Can you please patch the template loop glitch?
[12:57:17] <Mr-ex777>	 http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Template:Infinite_recursion
[12:57:22] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) [patch] LIKE queries with spaces in search term broken for Page properties in SMW 1.6+ - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34665   +need-review +patch (10Sumana Harihareswara)
[12:57:30] <Mr-ex777>	 Use a patch to fix this fuck.
[12:58:40] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) ParserOptions::mEditSection is not passed to ParserOutput - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34687   +need-review +patch; +comment (10Sumana Harihareswara)
[12:59:05] <Twirt199>	 It isn't actually a template loop glitch when viewing the template directly, but when Mr-ex777 tried to transclude the template onto http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/User:Mr-ex777/Infinite_recursion , it didn't look as expected.
[13:05:41] <Twirt199>	 codurr? Why isn't anyone responding yet? Is anyone working on this patch or just not reading this?
[13:06:10] <sumanah>	 Twirt199: Mr-ex777 - hi.
[13:06:23] <sumanah>	 It looks like most of the people in this channel are asleep or away.
[13:06:43] <Twirt199>	 sumanah: Are you working on this patch?
[13:06:56] <sumanah>	 "codurr" is an automatic bot that responds to certain things happening, like someone making a commit.
[13:07:09] <sumanah>	 Twirt199: I'm looking at the logs of this channel now to get up to speed on your issue.
[13:09:31] <sumanah>	 Mr-ex777: and Twirt199: so, when someone uses this template in a page, what do you want to be displayed?
[13:11:12] <Twirt199>	 I want all the sections to displayed, like when the page is directly accessed, but only one section is displayed and then "Template loop detected" when used as a template.
[13:13:10] <NoToto>	 Hi every one. Is this IRC channel the correct place to ask this: what is the reading order priority of CSS styles "sheets" ?
[13:14:27] <sumanah>	 Twirt199: how many sections are there, though?  I mean, if there are infinitely many sections, then the page would be infinitely long, and that is literally impossible.
[13:14:44] <Twirt199>	 This problem is not just specific to Uncyclopedia, which is using MediaWiki 1.16.5. I also tried the infinite recursion template on http://test.wikipedia.org/ , which is using the latest version of MediaWiki, and the problem still persists.
[13:14:46] <sumanah>	 hi NoToto -- you mean within MediaWiki?
[13:15:01] <NoToto>	 Yep ! 
[13:15:15] <Twirt199>	 There are 40 sections in the infinite recursion template.
[13:15:36] <sumanah>	 NoToto: I don't know, but let us search on mediawiki.org
[13:15:55] <sumanah>	 Twirt199: You can see that the word "infinite" here is misleading, then. :-)
[13:16:47] <codurr>	 New code comment: Hashar; cause bug 34684 : File pages named having a dollar sign + number redirect to main page; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/104689#c31422>
[13:17:33] <wikibugs>	 04(REOPENED) [Regression] File pages named having a dollar sign + number redirect to main page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34684  +comment (10Antoine "hashar" Musso)
[13:17:54] <sumanah>	 Twirt199: show me the test.wikipedia.org page, please?
[13:18:02] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Support for INR symbol - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34650  +comment (10Srikanth Logic)
[13:18:03] <hashar>	 of course someone fixed that while I was lunching :D
[13:18:32] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) [Regression] File pages named having a dollar sign + number redirect to main page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34684  +comment (10Antoine "hashar" Musso)
[13:19:46] <codurr>	 New code comment: Hashar; resolved by r112313; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/104689#c31423>
[13:19:48] <sumanah>	 NoToto: I don't know, and I'm having trouble figuring it out.
[13:20:17] <NoToto>	 So do I ...
[13:20:59] <codurr>	 03maxsem * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112319> 10/trunk/extensions/MobileFrontend/ (ApiQueryExcerpt.php MobileFormatter.php):
[13:20:59] <codurr>	 prop=excerpt:
[13:20:59] <codurr>	 * Fixed breakage from r112303
[13:21:00] <codurr>	 * Added a limit
[13:21:01] <codurr>	 * svn:keywords: Id
[13:21:07] <sumanah>	 NoToto: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:LocalSettings.php and https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Interface/Stylesheets may help you.
[13:21:23] <sumanah>	 NoToto: but if you still can't figure it out then you might try the mailing list mediawiki-l.
[13:21:26] <sumanah>	 !lists | NoToto 
[13:21:26] <mw-bot>	 NoToto: mediawiki-l and wikitech-l are the primary mailing lists for MediaWiki-related issues. See https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Mailing_lists for details.
[13:24:00] <Twirt199>	 http://test.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Infinite_recursion http://test.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sandbox&stable=0&redirect=no
[13:25:34] <NoToto>	 sumanah: Ok thanks. I also found http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:CSS .
[13:26:14] <sumanah>	 NoToto: yeah, I should have mentioned that
[13:26:28] <NoToto>	 sumanah: however, it sounds like we have to make tests before understanding the css reading priorities
[13:26:50] <NoToto>	 then we will ... and post some understanding improvements if any
[13:27:00] <Qcoder00>	 Hi
[13:27:07] <sumanah>	 NoToto: I'm sure someone somewhere knows what takes precedence -- it is just not me!  And yes, if you can add to the documentation, that would be great
[13:27:12] <Qcoder00>	 Is there a SIMPLE parser function for doing indefinite loops
[13:27:17] <Qcoder00>	 ?
[13:28:13] <NoToto>	 sumanah: ok, we will. I quit. Bye.
[13:28:50] <sumanah>	 Twirt199: thanks for the pointer.  So, just to be clear, is there any non-joke reason to make and use a template in this way?
[13:30:59] <sumanah>	 Because I think it's pretty reasonable for MediaWiki to behave as it does in this context, in terms of engineering tradeoffs.  We don't want people to actually write templates like this, in general.
[13:31:09] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) no toolbar (editbar) icons in trunk since r111983 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34662  summary; +comment (10Antoine "hashar" Musso)
[13:31:26] <sumanah>	 Qcoder00: what is it that you're trying to get MediaWiki to do?
[13:33:02] <codurr>	 New code comment: Hashar; cause bug 34662 : classic toolbar does not load :-/; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111983#c31424>
[13:34:07] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) [Regression] File pages named having a dollar sign + number redirect to main page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34684  04BLOCKER->major (10Antoine "hashar" Musso)
[13:43:35] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Probable Javascript loading issues (navigation and tabbing issues, multiple browsers) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34450  (10mybugs.mail)
[13:46:31] <Joe___>	 Good morning!
[13:46:48] <Joe___>	 Or afternoon depending where you are.
[13:47:46] <Joe___>	 Can anyone hear me?
[13:57:22] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) [SF] Special:RunQuery enhancement to be able to populate red-links automatically - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34150  +comment (10yaron57)
[13:58:25] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Provide an interface to rotate an image - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/32875  +comment (10Bagariavivek)
[14:01:58] <chughakshay16>	 ^demon : hi,
[14:02:59] <chughakshay16>	 sumanah : hi ~
[14:03:07] <sumanah>	 hi chughakshay16!
[14:03:13] <sumanah>	 thanks for the email to wikitech-l re your proposal
[14:04:10] <chughakshay16>	 sumanah : do i need to send a mail to the wikimania-l mailing list as well ??
[14:04:41] <sumanah>	 chughakshay16: tell me your thoughts.  What do you think?  Should you?
[14:05:06] <chughakshay16>	 I dont know how these mailing lists operate internally
[14:05:10] <chughakshay16>	 :)
[14:05:32] <Qcoder00>	 sumanah:  http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Template:Ollist
[14:05:35] <sumanah>	 chughakshay16: then take a look at their archives
[14:05:48] <Qcoder00>	 Having to put in 150 params is time consuming
[14:06:06] <sumanah>	 Qcoder00: here's my real question: what is the purpose here? what use is this kind of template? I honestly do not know
[14:06:25] <chughakshay16>	 i have already subscribed to their mailing list but havent got any mail yet !!
[14:06:40] <Qcoder00>	 Starting numbered lists from an 'arbitary' index which isn't possible in Mediwike using  # wiki syntax
[14:07:07] <sumanah>	 chughakshay16: do you know how to look at a mailing list's archives?
[14:07:30] <chughakshay16>	 sumanah : i think i do :s
[14:07:54] <sumanah>	 Qcoder00: can you give an example?  so, you want to start a numbered list with, for example, the number 87?
[14:08:00] <Qcoder00>	 Yep
[14:08:01] <jere_n>	 chughakshay16: http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimania-l/
[14:08:28] <Qcoder00>	 sumanah:  Which doesn't seem to be currently possible in Wiki Markup
[14:09:14] <chughakshay16>	 jere_n : well that answers my question
[14:09:35] <sumanah>	 chughakshay16: so, if I understand correctly, your goal is to get more information about what people would want from an extension like this.  Right?  So, yes, I think it's reasonable to do research by asking the people who need these kinds of things
[14:10:19] <chughakshay16>	 I have set a meta-wiki page under this link https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/ConventionExtension#Useful_Resources 
[14:10:24] <Qcoder00>	 sumanah:  The ability to type something like #!83 <listitem> at the start of a list to change the startting index would be rather useful :)
[14:10:45] <chughakshay16>	 which states the features that this extension should most probably have 
[14:10:58] <sumanah>	 chughakshay16: other Wikimedia communities that have done conferences include https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/GLAM and  http://wiki.wikimedia.in/  so those would also be good communities to ask for feature ideas and for comments on your proposal.
[14:11:34] <sumanah>	 chughakshay16: yes, it was a good idea for you to write and publish https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/ConventionExtension as a wiki page.  Good job! :-)
[14:12:58] <jere_n>	 chughakshay16: btw, i really liked your "Books" idea
[14:13:03] <sumanah>	 Qcoder00: Yes, I don't know how to get MediaWiki to say "let me start this numbered list with #62".  Maybe someone else does.
[14:13:11] <sumanah>	 Qcoder00: you might try asking the mailing list.
[14:13:12] <sumanah>	 !lists
[14:13:12] <mw-bot>	 mediawiki-l and wikitech-l are the primary mailing lists for MediaWiki-related issues. See https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Mailing_lists for details.
[14:13:37] <Qcoder00>	 sumanah:  It's essentialy a parser fix, so Bugzilla might be more appropriate
[14:13:46] <chughakshay16>	 jere_n : where did you read about it ?
[14:13:58] <sumanah>	 Qcoder00: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1584
[14:14:07] <jere_n>	 chughakshay16: on the wiki page you posted https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Books
[14:14:07] <chughakshay16>	 sumanah : this information would really help
[14:14:26] <chughakshay16>	 jere_n : i didn't create that page
[14:14:28] <sumanah>	 chughakshay16: sorry, I'm not sure I understand -- what information would help?
[14:14:46] <sumanah>	 jere_n: Aashish Mittal is interested in that project
[14:15:18] <chughakshay16>	 sumanah : i meant the one you told me above
[14:15:29] <sumanah>	 chughakshay16: I've told you a few things, please be more specific?
[14:15:39] <sumanah>	 I presume you mean the communities that do conferences?
[14:15:55] <chughakshay16>	 sumanah : this one only !
[14:16:11] <sumanah>	 OK.
[14:16:13] <jere_n>	 ooh sorry. i thought it was chughakshay16's because it was on his mail on wikitech's list
[14:16:21] <chughakshay16>	 sumanah : i would keep on updating the page with the feedback that i get from these communities
[14:16:31] <sumanah>	 jere_n: I think chughakshay16 also mentioned some interest in that idea, yeah
[14:16:59] <chughakshay16>	 sumanah : yeah i did :0
[14:17:00] <sumanah>	 chughakshay16: yes! and they might even leave ideas on that page or on its associated Talk (discussion) page.
[14:18:17] <chughakshay16>	 sumanah : even though your current requirement on gsoc ideas page doesnt state to have a nice client for reading books on wikibooks
[14:18:34] <chughakshay16>	 sumanah : but i would like to create one !
[14:18:38] <sumanah>	 chughakshay16: I'm not sure whether you understand that the GSoC ideas page is merely a jumping-off point!
[14:18:52] <sumanah>	 chughakshay16: people can come up with their own ideas, and in fact that is welcomed and encouraged
[14:19:07] <ThunderKnight>	 sumanh hmm sound like a Indian name.
[14:19:33] <sumanah>	 chughakshay16: if you have read the GSoC FAQ and the GSoC student guide, then you see that the project ideas that an organization such as MediaWiki provides are merely seeds, and students are encouraged to propose their own ideas as well.
[14:19:38] <sumanah>	 ThunderKnight: yes, my parents are from India.
[14:20:04] <chughakshay16>	 sumanah : but since i have already proposed one,, can i propose any more ?
[14:20:09] <ThunderKnight>	 Cool. From India too myself. :)
[14:20:15] <sumanah>	 chughakshay16: please do not read the GSoC project ideas page on mediawiki.org as a list of "requirements"!!!!
[14:20:53] <sumanah>	 chughakshay16: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2012/faqs#more_than_one
[14:21:09] <sumanah>	 chughakshay16: technically, you have not made a formal proposal.
[14:21:20] <sumanah>	 chughakshay16: you are exploring options and investigating things and chatting and getting ideas and so on.
[14:21:45] <sumanah>	 chughakshay16: the formal application process does not start until late March - see http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/events/google/gsoc2012
[14:22:02] <sumanah>	 chughakshay16: And at that time, yes, if you want, you can propose more than one proposal.
[14:22:27] <sumanah>	 chughakshay16: but right now I find it likely that you will investigate and think about a few, and then come to a conclusion about which one you are really interested in.
[14:23:13] <sumanah>	 ThunderKnight: are you there now?
[14:23:40] <ThunderKnight>	 yup
[14:23:53] <chughakshay16>	 sumanah : thanks for your help !!
[14:23:57] <sumanah>	 jere_n: if you have any thoughts on that Books proposal, please do leave them on the talk page....
[14:24:01] <codurr>	 03nikerabbit * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112320> 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/specials/SpecialSupportedLanguages.php: Fix help link html getting added twice (was not visible in the page)
[14:24:02] <sumanah>	 chughakshay16: Glad I can help.
[14:24:15] <sumanah>	 ThunderKnight: might you be going to the Chennai hackathon in March?
[14:24:21] <sumanah>	 17 Mar http://ur1.ca/82v84
[14:24:59] <sumanah>	 chughakshay16: on https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/ConventionExtension you should add your name :-) and link to the wikitech-l thread you started
[14:25:07] <ThunderKnight>	 I'm from Bangalore. 
[14:25:27] <chughakshay16>	 jere_n : i definitely will..
[14:25:30] <sumanah>	 ThunderKnight: oh, my parents are Kannadigas and I've spent a little time in Bangalore.
[14:25:41] <chughakshay16>	 sumanah : how do we add a name to a wiki page ?
[14:25:44] <jere_n>	 was looking into that sumanah. and will do of course lol
[14:26:15] <sumanah>	 chughakshay16: Look at some examples from http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Summer_of_Code_Past_Projects
[14:26:22] <sumanah>	 jere_n: :-) sorry for nagging.
[14:27:20] <sumanah>	 chughakshay16: like https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Salvatore_Ingala/GSoC_2011_application  and https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Bawolff/GSoC2010
[14:27:25] <codurr>	 03jdlrobson * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112321> 10/trunk/extensions/MobileFrontend/ (3 files in 2 dirs):
[14:27:25] <codurr>	 i18n the clear search button
[14:27:25] <codurr>	 this references c31415 on r112213
[14:27:25] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Oracle installer throw SET CONSTRAINTS ALL DEFERRED PL/SQL error - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34280  +comment (10jfehrman)
[14:27:34] <jere_n>	 sumanah: no prob at all! this channel gets me through the day at work :p
[14:27:56] <sumanah>	 jere_n: :-/  btw you know  we're hiring https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Job_openings
[14:28:19] <chughakshay16>	 jere_n : well i had thought a lot about that "books" and would definitely share all the stuff that i would love to see as part of that feature
[14:29:16] <codurr>	 New code comment: Jdlrobson; This is now fixed in r112321; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112213#c31425>
[14:31:06] <jere_n>	 sumanah: would be totally awesome! but i don't have enought experience i think
[14:31:22] <jere_n>	 that's why i'm trying to really get into gsoc, but time is killing me
[14:31:58] <jere_n>	 chughakshay16: what i liked about that proposal it's that it is very well scoped and clearly defined
[14:33:41] <chughakshay16>	 jere_n : yeah it clearly specifies the deliverables and the features the extension should have
[14:34:43] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) TypeError: event.originalTarget.getElementsByTagName is not a function - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34608  +comment (10niklas.laxstrom)
[14:40:27] <ThunderKnight>	 Can someone help me with a template?.
[14:41:02] <ThunderKnight>	 It is not for wikipedia. It is for another wiki.
[14:41:12] <Saruman>	 !aks ThunderKnight
[14:41:12] <mw-bot>	 I don't know anything about "aks". You might try: !bom !deleteuser 
[14:41:15] <Saruman>	 heh
[14:41:20] <ThunderKnight>	 ?
[14:42:15] <sumanah>	 ThunderKnight: go ahead and ask your MediaWiki & template question.
[14:42:56] <ThunderKnight>	 Saruman. What a coincidence i'm listening to LOTR music now :)
[14:43:18] <ThunderKnight>	 It is for this site :- http://www.pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/Home
[14:43:55] <ThunderKnight>	 I'm trying to create a template for "Digital Store" on my local pc.
[14:44:27] <ThunderKnight>	 Trying to add all the known digital store like steam, impulse, gamersgate and so on.
[14:45:08] <ThunderKnight>	 along with prices for each title, differences of all store and extras.
[14:45:25] <codurr>	 03jdlrobson * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112322> 10/trunk/extensions/MobileFrontend/MobileFormatter.php:
[14:45:26] <codurr>	 hide #ogg_player_2 to avoid broken play buttons on certain mobile sites
[14:45:26] <codurr>	 this addresses #30859 by hiding unplayable content
[14:46:01] <ThunderKnight>	 Well so far things are not going well. I'm not pretty knowledgeable when it comes to creating such template.
[14:46:25] <sumanah>	 hey, quick note jdlrobson - in commit summaries, if you're referring to a bug, use the phrasing     bug 30859    and then the commit summary will automatically link to the right bug in bugzilla
[14:46:55] <sumanah>	 example, jdlrobson https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112313
[14:47:51] <codurr>	 03ialex * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112323> 10/trunk/phase3/includes/LocalisationCache.php: Pass __METHOD__ to DatabaseBase::begin(), DatabaseBase::commit() and DatabaseBase::rollback()
[14:48:20] <sumanah>	 jdlrobson: hm, I should improve https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Commit_access#Commit_Summaries to indicate this.
[14:48:57] <jdlrobson>	 ok! Am used to github which uses the #! Will remember that for future.
[14:49:27] <MaxSem>	 sumanah, it's in https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Commit_access#Magic_linking
[14:49:31] <codurr>	 New code comment: Nikerabbit; I don't see any escaping here. Looks like any translation which has " in it can produce invalid html; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112321#c31426>
[14:51:50] <sumanah>	 jdlrobson: sure, got it.  I presume the issue here is that we can't juse use # because we need to disambiguate revisions & bugs.
[14:53:00] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Add step property to the pages tag - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34689 enhancement; MediaWiki extensions: ProofreadPage; (thomaspt)
[14:53:11] <sumanah>	 remind me, MaxSem, what does "MFT" mean?
[14:53:18] <sumanah>	 in commit summaries.
[14:54:08] <wikibugs>	 14(WFM) Feature request: Upload refuses if no file-extension is specified - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/29789  +comment (10Rainer@Rillke.eu)
[14:54:33] * sumanah  clarifies commit access page

[14:54:50] <apergos>	 merge from trunk 
[14:55:24] <sumanah>	 MT then means the same thing?
[14:55:35] <apergos>	 I haven't really seen MT
[14:55:39] <apergos>	 so I dunno
[14:56:01] <sumanah>	 I think Tim uses it sometimes.
[14:56:10] <apergos>	 ok
[14:56:47] <codurr>	 New code comment: Reedy; Indeed, I tested it on my wiki, hence knowing they were displayed wrong; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112066#c31427>
[14:57:13] <sumanah>	 ThunderKnight: sorry for not getting back to you
[14:57:23] <sumanah>	 ThunderKnight: I don't know that much about template creation either.
[14:57:31] <codurr>	 New code comment: Reedy; Not sure. Try and merge this into 1.19wmf1 ;); <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111991#c31428>
[14:57:33] <sumanah>	 ThunderKnight: have you tried looking at other templates that are like the one you want?
[14:57:46] <sumanah>	 ThunderKnight: like infoboxes on Wikipedia?
[14:57:49] <sumanah>	 !infobox
[14:57:49] <mw-bot>	 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Infobox
[14:58:39] <ThunderKnight>	 similar to that one. 
[14:58:55] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Check all wikis for inclusions of http resources on https - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34670  +comment (10sam)
[14:59:01] <codurr>	 03jdlrobson * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112324> 10/trunk/extensions/MobileFrontend/templates/SearchTemplate.php: follow up escaping based on r112321 c31426
[14:59:33] <sumanah>	 ThunderKnight: so you could just copy that template and modify it from there, right?
[15:00:01] <codurr>	 New code comment: Jdlrobson; Escaped as of r112324; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112321#c31429>
[15:00:30] <ThunderKnight>	 I think so. Checking what i can do lol. Never in my wiki life i created such a template. 
[15:00:32] <ThunderKnight>	 lol
[15:00:59] <jdlrobson>	 sumanah - i thought we used r for revisions so why would # be an issue?
[15:01:14] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Add support for KML/KMZ filetype - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/26059  +comment (10xen.project)
[15:01:37] <codurr>	 03a_engels * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112325> 10/trunk/wikistats/squids/SquidCountArchive.pl: recognize CFNetwork
[15:03:59] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Enable irc feed for labsconsole.wikimedia.org site - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34685  major->15enhancement; +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[15:04:07] <sumanah>	 jdlrobson: well, if you believe that # should by default mean "bug" then go ahead & suggest that :-) I merely mean that there are two different sets of numbers that people might want to refer to in commit summaries, so why should # represent bugs rather than revisions, or vice versa? I'm not the one to say....
[15:04:47] <wikibugs>	 14(DUP) Moving of category not possible - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34682  +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[15:04:49] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Moving category description pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/5451  +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[15:04:50] <sumanah>	 to disambiguate, I guess we just don't use #, we use "bug" for bugs and "r" for revisions
[15:04:55] <MaxSem>	 sumanah, we're going to switch to Gerrit soon anyway
[15:04:58] <sumanah>	 yeah
[15:05:06] <sumanah>	 and so it's up in the air, jdlrobson 
[15:05:16] <sumanah>	 if you want to suggest the new system of shortcuts, now is your chance! :)
[15:05:51] <jdlrobson>	 ok cool - just checking i wasn't misunderstanding - definitely need a shortcut though - seems overkill to write 'bug X' every time (3 character overkill :))
[15:06:21] <sumanah>	 jdlrobson: ^demon is running the Gerrit migration
[15:06:38] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Enable irc feed for labsconsole.wikimedia.org site - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34685  +comment (10Peter Bena)
[15:06:39] <sumanah>	 so I bet he is amenable to suggestions for the naming
[15:07:46] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Enable irc feed for labsconsole.wikimedia.org site - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34685  +comment (10benapetr)
[15:08:53] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Install MoodBar on fr.wikisource - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34618  normal->15enhancement (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[15:09:21] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Check all wikis for inclusions of http resources on https - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34670  +comment (10sam)
[15:12:00] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Enable irc feed for labsconsole.wikimedia.org site - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34685  +comment (10Platonides)
[15:13:35] <ThunderKnight>	 Is there any plans of adding this :- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:RefToolbar_2.0
[15:13:41] <ThunderKnight>	 in future mediawiki?.
[15:13:55] <sumanah>	 ThunderKnight: "RefToolbar is now turned on by default for all users on English Wikipedia. You don't have to do anything to install it."
[15:14:03] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) Audio and video files are broken in mobile - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/30859  +comment (10Jon)
[15:14:08] <sumanah>	 so, this is a script...
[15:14:10] <ThunderKnight>	 I meant in other wiki.
[15:14:23] <ThunderKnight>	 It is an awesome feature.
[15:14:24] * sumanah  checks whether it's a Gadget

[15:14:45] <sumanah>	 hm, no
[15:14:59] <OrenOf>	 sumanah: hello
[15:15:00] <ThunderKnight>	 .
[15:15:01] <sumanah>	 ThunderKnight: sorry for misunderstanding you at first, I didn't see your line "in future MediaWiki"
[15:15:01] <MaxSem>	 ThunderKnight, do you realise that it relies on enwiki-specific templates?
[15:15:03] <sumanah>	 hi OrenOf 
[15:15:13] <ThunderKnight>	 Yeah i do.
[15:15:37] <ThunderKnight>	 I have seen plenty of wiki trying to implement this but many failed.
[15:15:39] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) Add unit tests to MobileFrontend extension - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/30388  (10Jon)
[15:15:57] <ThunderKnight>	 I tried to implement the same feature on our site. It failed lol
[15:16:16] <sumanah>	 What was the failure?
[15:16:25] <OrenOf>	 sumanah: I've said I would send you some Lucene idea on  GSOC - is this relevant - if so what would be a dead line for it ?
[15:16:48] <ThunderKnight>	 Well cite button is nowhere to be seen in that toolbar.
[15:16:56] <sumanah>	 OrenOf: yes, please do so.  I think earlier is better, because there are students now and in early March looking at our ideas page to develop their proposals.
[15:17:11] <sumanah>	 OrenOf: but deadline: let's say March 26.
[15:17:37] <sumanah>	 OrenOf: if you're willing to mentor, please add your name.
[15:17:38] <sumanah>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Summer_of_Code_2012#Mentor_signup
[15:18:03] <sumanah>	 apergos: aharoni: Nikerabbit: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Summer_of_Code_2012#Mentor_signup I would love for you to sign up to mentor this summer.
[15:18:10] <sumanah>	 I will ensure you have good candidates.  :-)
[15:18:25] <sumanah>	 drdee: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Summer_of_Code_2012#Mentor_signup :D
[15:18:29] <apergos>	 do I need to check with my boss first?
[15:19:19] <OrenOf>	 OrenOf: I'd love to mentor but I'm doing 2 jobs right now ;-( 
[15:20:02] <OrenOf>	 sumanah: I'll finalize my thought this weekend
[15:20:14] <sumanah>	 OrenOf: :-( ok
[15:20:24] <OrenOf>	 or before
[15:20:28] <sumanah>	 apergos: probably a good idea, as it's about a 5hr/week commitment.
[15:20:32] <sumanah>	 thanks OrenOf 
[15:20:33] <apergos>	 ok
[15:21:03] <OrenOf>	 sumanah: I see student asking about GSOC should I send them to our webpage ?
[15:21:10] <OrenOf>	 one linked in
[15:21:10] <sumanah>	 OrenOf: yes, please!
[15:21:22] <OrenOf>	 one => on
[15:21:26] <sumanah>	 santhosh: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Summer_of_Code_2012#Mentor_signup :-)
[15:22:19] <OrenOf>	 ttl
[15:22:50] <aharoni>	 sumanah, is there an estimation of how much time it is supposed to take?
[15:23:01] <sumanah>	 aharoni: yes! Approximately 5 hours per week.
[15:23:07] <aharoni>	 oh, you just said a few lines above :)
[15:23:24] <OrenOf>	 aharoni: ma nishma
[15:23:43] <sumanah>	 aharoni: You'll be communicating with the student, reviewing his or her code, helping overcome obstacles, giving advice, putting the student in touch with resources, helping him or her with design and with bug triage and with merging into trunk, etc
[15:24:17] <codurr>	 New code comment: RobLa-WMF; This really wasn't communicated well enough. The release note in r110620 doesn't read like a warnin; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/100315#c31430>
[15:24:24] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Logs corrupt or have big delays - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34653  +comment (10rainerrillke)
[15:24:25] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Enable $wgPFEnableStringFunctions on he.wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/29087  +comment (10richard)
[15:24:25] <sumanah>	 aharoni: http://en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCMentoring/workflow/ and http://en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCMentoring/what-makes-a-good-mentor/ might interest you.
[15:25:00] <Nikerabbit>	 sumanah: done
[15:25:25] <sumanah>	 Thanks Nikerabbit 
[15:26:11] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Special:Contributions/Newbies lists contributions by user "Newbies" instead of new account edits - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34659  +comment (10robla)
[15:27:13] <sumanah>	 yuvipanda: srikanthlogic: hi!
[15:27:44] <sumanah>	 do you need anything in particular re the Chennai hackathon next month?
[15:27:49] <srikanthlogic>	 sumanah: hi !
[15:28:24] <srikanthlogic>	 sumanah: not anything particular I could think of.
[15:28:34] <sumanah>	 Great! That's nice to hear :-) 
[15:28:53] <srikanthlogic>	 been prodding yuvipanda to step up publicity 
[15:29:05] <sumanah>	 how many signups do you have? If I run into folks in the area here in #mediawiki I have been telling them to check it out.
[15:29:39] <aharoni>	 OrenOf: hakhayim tovim (life is good)
[15:29:41] <srikanthlogic>	 sumanah: cool :) 15 signups, some 10 who have written some code.
[15:33:44] <srikanthlogic>	 sumanah: yuvipanda was thinking of some on demand aws instances for big data hacking or something..
[15:33:50] <sumanah>	 srikanthlogic: I thought I had already spread the word via the @MediaWikiMeet Twitter & Identi.ca accounts, but I think I had not.  So I just did
[15:34:04] <srikanthlogic>	 sumanah: thanks!
[15:34:15] <srikanthlogic>	 sumanah: I would ask him to ping you
[15:34:28] <sumanah>	 hmm, srikanthlogic, yuvipanda, do you think AWS is more suitable than Wikimedia Labs right now?  OK if the answer is yes
[15:35:42] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Set $wgPFEnableStringFunctions = true on WMF wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/6455  +comment (10richard)
[15:36:10] <srikanthlogic>	 sumanah: i think labs might not be of much use since no one is going to do mediawiki development..
[15:36:52] <srikanthlogic>	 sumanah: yuvipanda was suggesting putting dumps on aws and people might be interested in analysing dumps etc
[15:37:06] <srikanthlogic>	 sumanah: needs to revisited if there are people who would be interested in such a thing
[15:38:08] <sumanah>	 srikanthlogic: Labs is available for people who are working on Wikimedia-related stuff even if it's not MediaWiki, just so you know
[15:38:16] <sumanah>	 but AWS is mature and Labs isn't, in any case
[15:41:11] <codurr>	 03hashar * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112326> 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ (GlobalFunctions.php SeleniumWebSettings.php):
[15:41:11] <codurr>	 move wfRecursiveRemoveDir to global functions
[15:41:11] <codurr>	 That useful method was hidden in SeleniumWebSettings. I need it to clean
[15:41:11] <codurr>	 up test files leakages.
[15:41:59] <srikanthlogic>	 sumanah: oh! so labs is new toolserver ?
[15:42:50] <sumanah>	 srikanthlogic: eventually, sort of
[15:42:51] <sumanah>	 !lbas
[15:42:51] <mw-bot>	 I don't know anything about "lbas".
[15:42:53] <sumanah>	 !labs
[15:42:53] <mw-bot>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/WMF_Projects/Wikimedia_Labs
[15:43:15] <codurr>	 03hashar * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112327> 10/trunk/phase3/tests/phpunit/includes/media/ExifRotationTest.php:
[15:43:15] <codurr>	 avoid exif tests file leakage
[15:43:15] <codurr>	 Exif test are leaking files heavily on our test server. This quick patch make
[15:43:15] <codurr>	 it sure we delete temporary files.
[15:43:16] <codurr>	 Ideally, we should have something like a temporary filesystem backend that
[15:43:17] <codurr>	 would self destruct :-D
[15:43:18] <codurr>	 requires r112326: wfRecursiveRemoveDir()
[15:43:44] <johnduhart>	 ^demon: Are you around? I know you're busy with git stuff in the current time but I have some ideas for Configuration management and what be a possible GSoC project for me
[15:44:09] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) mw.loader.load calls document.write from asynchronous scripts - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34542  +comment (10Beau)
[15:44:33] <^demon>	 johnduhart: What's up?
[15:44:45] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Changing the name in the title bar to Assamese - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34690 normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (amlan286)
[15:46:18] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Script error when reverting username with Arabic scripts - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34679  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[15:46:18] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) RTL/bidirectional issues (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/745  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[15:47:01] <johnduhart>	 ^demon: So I've been thinking about how to move forward with this Configuration system overhaul. Obviously defining configuration options in core is no big deal, however for extensions it's a bit more awkward. Then I started thinking about how our current situatuion for loading extensions sucks. That got me thinking, instead of an abritary PHP file for setup, why don't we have a JSON file that can do all of that, and be generated via a tool.
[15:47:25] <^demon>	 johnduhart: You're thinking along the right track, but it's sticky like you said.
[15:47:32] <^demon>	 And it quickly grows out of scope for GSoC.
[15:48:37] <^demon>	 johnduhart: Whatever we write in core should obviously be back-compat with global-based config. It's going to take a *long* time to get every extension on board.
[15:48:53] <johnduhart>	 ^demon: Right.
[15:49:01] <codurr>	 New code comment: MaxSem; Might as well simply casted to array, no condition needed.; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112290#c31431>
[15:49:20] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Make babel extension case aware in order to avoid clashes with existing user templates - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34680  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[15:49:40] <^demon>	 johnduhart: Also things to consider are fallback configs (so you can define groups of configs like we currently do)
[15:50:39] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Special:Contributions/Newbies lists contributions by user "Newbies" instead of new account edits - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34659  (10Rob Lanphier)
[15:53:31] <johnduhart>	 ^demon: Obviously configuration overhaul is too big of a task for a GSoC project. However, what if I were to tackle this idea of a new setup format for extensions alone?
[15:53:52] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Logs corrupt or have big delays - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34653  (10Rob Lanphier)
[15:54:35] <codurr>	 03yonishostak * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112328> 10/trunk/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5/ArticleFeedbackv5.i18n.php: AFTv5: fix r111562
[15:57:45] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Set $wgPFEnableStringFunctions = true on WMF wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/6455  +comment (10happy.melon.wiki)
[15:57:48] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) [Regression] There should not be a mismatch between html and stylesheet version - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34504  +comment (10robla)
[15:57:54] <sumanah>	 Krinkle: over the next half hour I will aim to complete the https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Git/Workflow page so it will be a reference for our training.
[15:58:02] <Krinkle>	 ok
[15:59:43] <OrenOf>	 aharoni: I read  some chekov stories - any more coming about ?
[16:00:23] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) [mw.config] wgActionPaths should be an object instead of a numeral array JavaScript - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34604  +comment (10Rob Lanphier)
[16:00:45] <aharoni>	 OrenOf, i suppose that you refer to my translations of Chekhov in the Hebrew Wikisource. I really, really want to do that, but unfortunately can't find the time.
[16:01:21] <OrenOf>	 hum hum
[16:02:33] <OrenOf>	 you should - they are quite interesting
[16:02:45] <OrenOf>	 also funny in a very quaint way
[16:02:45] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) jQuery UI Datepicker div visible - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34609  (10Rob Lanphier)
[16:03:48] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) MobileFrontend fullscreen search list disappears if you delete/backspace input - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/32305  +comment (10Jon)
[16:05:12] <OrenOf>	 it is officially the weekend
[16:05:15] <OrenOf>	 I
[16:05:28] <OrenOf>	 am going for lunch and dinner too ttl
[16:08:02] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Bug with updating - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34688  +comment (10Ankit Maity)
[16:09:04] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) ParserOptions::mEditSection is not passed to ParserOutput - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34687  +comment (10Platonides)
[16:09:25] <freakolowsky>	 hey, 1.18.1 tarball ... at what revision number is that in svn?
[16:09:52] <johnduhart>	 freakolowsky: Check what revision it was tagged at
[16:10:20] <johnduhart>	 r108689
[16:10:27] <codurr>	 03jdlrobson * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112329> 10/trunk/extensions/MobileFrontend/MobileFrontend.body.php:
[16:10:27] <codurr>	 fix for bug 31148
[16:10:27] <codurr>	 when user tries to view history on mobile site
[16:10:27] <codurr>	 revert to normal site
[16:10:45] <freakolowsky>	 10x
[16:11:13] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) Viewing history on mobile site - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31148  +comment (10Jon)
[16:14:01] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) AfD template warning bug - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34691 minor; Huggle: Application; (1994constant)
[16:14:56] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Feedback text overlaps with personal bar on Tamil Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34681  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[16:15:03] <Ulfr>	 Good morning all :) I was wondering if anyone knew of documentation that would allow you to define a template that used a supage as an argument. For example, I want Template:SpecialEditor/Testpage to still go to Template:SpecialEditor, but allow me to use the subpage name as a value
[16:16:32] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) AfD template warning bug - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34691  minor->trivial; +comment (10Ankit Maity)
[16:20:22] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Can't authenticate using my mother language username (UNICODE) when I only have (a public) access to Wikipedia with an ASCII (english) keyboard - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34590  +comment (10nicolas.brouard)
[16:23:35] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Can't authenticate using my mother language username (UNICODE) when I only have (a public) access to Wikipedia with an ASCII (english) keyboard - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34590  +comment (10John Du Hart)
[16:24:37] <sumanah>	 ^demon|away: Krinkle: ok, I've moved a lot of info from https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Git/Workflow to https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Git/Workflow ... there are some items that are really TODOs so I'll move them after our call.
[16:25:49] <sumanah>	 hashar: you might be interested in my changes today to https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Git/Workflow especially https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Git/Workflow#Push_your_change_to_gerrit ... hope I haven't introduced any inaccuracies
[16:26:48] <hashar>	 sumanah: must be excellent. Will most probably read the tonight
[16:27:21] <hashar>	 working on gerrit/jenkins integration right now :)
[16:27:23] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Feedback text overlaps with personal bar on Tamil Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34681  +comment (10mah)
[16:27:58] <sumanah>	 oh good!
[16:28:08] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Left alligned images should come alongside text - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34686  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[16:28:34] <Krinkle>	 hashar: Any progress on switching integration for testswarm to install-based specielpages instead of our index.html hack?
[16:29:00] <hashar>	 no progress sorry
[16:29:11] <hashar>	 Krinkle: I have been rewriting the ant build script used by jenkins
[16:29:45] <hashar>	 the evil plan is that jenkins is going to copy the sqlite backed mediawiki installation
[16:29:54] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Special:MergeAccount&action=submit generates error - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34478  +comment (10to.aru.shiroi.neko)
[16:29:57] <hashar>	 and then jenkins will submit the job request to testswarm
[16:29:58] <sumanah>	 Krinkle: ^demon|away: have you received my invitation in your email?
[16:30:10] <Krinkle>	 sumanah: I have
[16:30:16] <sumanah>	 ok!
[16:30:19] <MaxSem>	 hashar, how about https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=34617 ?
[16:30:35] <Ulfr>	 Sorry for the repost, but does anyone know of a way to make a basepage treat a subpage like an argument in a template?
[16:30:46] <Krinkle>	 moving to a quiet place now and figuring out google hangout
[16:30:49] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) ParserOptions::mEditSection is not passed to ParserOutput - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34687  -need-review +reviewed; +comment (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[16:30:53] <sumanah>	 understood, Krinkle 
[16:31:04] <hashar>	 MaxSem: yeah I have seen that
[16:31:19] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Bug with updating - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34688  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[16:33:02] <Krinkle>	 sumanah: the calendar invitation you meant?
[16:33:08] <Krinkle>	 or a hangout invitation?
[16:33:13] <sumanah>	 Krinkle: no; the hangout invite
[16:33:16] <sumanah>	 will PM you
[16:33:20] <Krinkle>	 where would I find that?
[16:34:00] <Ulfr>	 Figured it out. Thanks anyways :)
[16:35:58] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Can't authenticate using my mother language username (UNICODE) when I only have (a public) access to Wikipedia with an ASCII (english) keyboard - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34590  +comment (10federicoleva)
[16:37:22] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Page number attribute for <ref> tags - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/13127  +comment (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[16:37:58] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Changing the name in the title bar to Assamese - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34690  normal->15enhancement;  +shell (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[16:39:00] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) New Hook: "InternalParseBeforeSanitize" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34678  (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[16:39:06] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) New Hook: "InternalParseBeforeSanitize" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34678   +need-review +patch (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[16:39:29] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) "Enable dialogs for inserting links, tables and more" preference is confusing - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/30796   +easy (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[16:39:41] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) New Hook: "InternalParseBeforeSanitize" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34678  +comment (10sam)
[16:41:00] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Can't authenticate using my mother language username (UNICODE) when I only have (a public) access to Wikipedia with an ASCII (english) keyboard - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34590  +comment (10nicolas.brouard)
[16:42:29] <codurr>	 03johnduhart * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112330> 10/trunk/extensions/MobileFrontend2/ (6 files in 2 dirs): Committing MobileFrontend2 stuff that is sitting in my working copy
[16:45:11] * freakolowsky  just ate AI :D gonna be smarter now :D

[16:48:00] <johnduhart>	 Reedy: Oooh, PhpStorm 4.0 EAP
[16:48:16] <Reedy>	 Keep up!
[16:48:17] <Reedy>	 :p
[16:54:46] <codurr>	 New code comment: MaxSem; Looks ok except for non-standard spacing like <tt>$parsedUrl[ 'path' ]</tt>.; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112285#c31432>
[16:54:52] <codurr>	 03hashar * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112331> 10/trunk/phase3/tests/phpunit/StructureTest.php: (log message trimmed)
[16:54:52] <codurr>	 better structure filename error output
[16:54:53] <codurr>	 When dumping an array, PHPUnit limit the number of characters shown. That would
[16:54:53] <codurr>	 just hide the relevant part of the path:
[16:54:54] <codurr>	 1) StructureTest::testUnitTestFileNamesEndWithTest
[16:54:55] <codurr>	 [...]
[16:54:56] <codurr>	 Array (
[16:58:01] <codurr>	 New code comment: Jeroen De Dauw; Both work. m_params is the old one, and is now deprecated.; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112216#c31433>
[16:58:11] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) ParserOptions::mEditSection is not passed to ParserOutput - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34687  +comment (10vitalif)
[16:58:35] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) ParserOptions::mEditSection is not passed to ParserOutput - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34687  major->normal; +comment (10Vitaliy Filippov)
[16:59:05] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Enable Kannada Transliteration by default - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34591  +comment (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[17:00:54] <codurr>	 03reedy * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112332> 10/trunk/phase3/ (6 files in 5 dirs): More __METHOD__ into db related methods
[17:01:04] <Lcawte>	 uhh, ok, so I've just uploaded an image, and was expecting to get a smaller version on the image page, but I get this instead...
[17:01:05] <Lcawte>	 Error creating thumbnail: Unable to run external programs, passthru() is disabled.
[17:01:50] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) ParserOptions::mEditSection is not passed to ParserOutput - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34687  +comment (10Platonides)
[17:03:44] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) switching search target project of search window has to be changed by switching the language - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34672  04CRIT->normal (10Tomasz Finc)
[17:05:07] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Group listing in user preferences page is garbage - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34620  +comment (10jeroen_dedauw)
[17:05:28] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) switching search target project of search window has to be changed by switching the language - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34672  +comment (10tfinc)
[17:08:32] <Lcawte>	 Ah, goti t..
[17:08:39] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) ParserOptions::mEditSection is not passed to ParserOutput - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34687  +comment (10vitalif)
[17:09:57] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) ParserOptions::mEditSection is not passed to ParserOutput - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34687  +comment (10vitalif)
[17:10:31] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Android Wikipedia app is not a valid helper app like third-party apps. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34671  +comment (10tfinc)
[17:19:17] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) ParserOptions::mEditSection is not passed to ParserOutput - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34687  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[17:19:41] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) AfD template warning bug - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34691  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[17:20:54] <mindrones>	 RoanKattouw got a minute?
[17:21:46] <RoanKattouw>	 Sure?
[17:22:03] <mindrones>	 oh thx :) I'm trying to add a require_once('skins/naiad/php/hooks.php'); in a skin
[17:22:11] <RoanKattouw>	 OK
[17:22:15] <mindrones>	 but it doesn't work
[17:22:19] <RoanKattouw>	 Well you can't just use relative paths like that
[17:22:25] <mindrones>	 uhm 
[17:22:44] <RoanKattouw>	 You either have to use $IP (a MediaWiki variable that contains the absolute path of the root directory of MW) or dirname( __FILE__ )
[17:23:00] <mindrones>	 ah ok
[17:23:19] <RoanKattouw>	 You'll see this in MediaWiki core pretty much everywhere
[17:23:43] <mindrones>	 I know that, but I'm currently using rel paths and it works elesewhere
[17:23:47] <RoanKattouw>	 require_once("$IP/foo/bar.php"); or require_once( dirname( __FILE__ ) . '/baz.php' );
[17:23:51] <mindrones>	 but I'll try your suggestion
[17:23:59] <mindrones>	 oki doki
[17:24:00] <mindrones>	 thx
[17:24:11] <RoanKattouw>	 Well relative paths are resolved using some include path setting (similar to $PATH in shells)
[17:24:25] <mindrones>	 so is it ok to define these hooks in skins instead of localsettings?
[17:24:27] <RoanKattouw>	 And that list of include paths may or may not contain '.' (the current directory)
[17:24:34] <RoanKattouw>	 Depends on when the code is run
[17:24:42] <RoanKattouw>	 Is that code included from LocalSettings directly? Or is it in a skin file?
[17:24:48] <mindrones>	 out skin is heavily depending on hooks and we want to distribute it
[17:25:03] <mindrones>	 so we want to make sure people don't have to edit LS
[17:25:14] <RoanKattouw>	 Hmm
[17:25:18] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Feedback text overlaps with personal bar on Tamil Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34681  +comment (10howief)
[17:25:28] <RoanKattouw>	 Well what you could do is put all that stuff into a separate file, say MySkinSettnigs.php
[17:25:45] <RoanKattouw>	 And then in LocalSettings.php just put a require_once for MySkinSettings.php
[17:25:48] <RoanKattouw>	 (this is how extensions work too)
[17:25:52] <mindrones>	 ah that
[17:26:07] <mindrones>	 I'd liek to avoid having to edit localsettings too much to make it work
[17:26:21] <RoanKattouw>	 To install any extension you have to add one line to LocalSettings
[17:26:29] <RoanKattouw>	 That's a fact of life in MediaWiki :)
[17:26:29] <mindrones>	 sure I know 
[17:26:31] <mindrones>	 :)
[17:26:46] <mindrones>	 so actually hooks are in a LS file
[17:27:02] <mindrones>	 and if I move them in the skin dir, I'll try to add the dir command
[17:27:20] <mindrones>	 any function I haev to call to make sure hooks are added to $wgHooks?
[17:28:03] <mindrones>	 because it seems not to complain if I put the hooks in the skin but the result of hooks themselves are empty
[17:30:00] <RoanKattouw>	 No you just have to add to $wgHooks early enough
[17:30:05] <RoanKattouw>	 The code in the skin file is run too late
[17:30:46] <mindrones>	 ack ok
[17:30:52] <mindrones>	 RoanKattouw many thx then
[17:30:58] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Feedback text overlaps with personal bar on Tamil Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34681  +comment (10srik.lak)
[17:31:15] <mindrones>	 I'll require() the hooks file in the LS 
[17:32:42] <apergos>	 hmm a RoanKattouw  ... maybe you will know this (though I think it'smore likely reedy or aaron)
[17:33:03] <RoanKattouw>	 ?
[17:33:07] <apergos>	 recently (as in probably due to 119 deployment) dumps broke for testwiki
[17:33:27] <apergos>	 here;s good output from the unhappy command:
[17:33:30] <apergos>	 backup@snapshot2:/backups-atg$ /usr/bin/php -q /apache/common/multiversion/MWScript.php getSlaveServer.php --wiki='elwiki' --group=dump
[17:33:30] <apergos>	 10.0.6.21
[17:33:37] <apergos>	 here's bad output: (for testwiki)
[17:33:53] <apergos>	 PHP Warning:  include_once(/home/wikipedia/common/wmf-config/CommonSettings.php): failed to open stream: No such file or directory in /usr/local/apache/common-local/php-1.19/LocalSettings.php on line 8
[17:33:54] <apergos>	 PHP Warning:  include_once(): Failed opening '/home/wikipedia/common/wmf-config/CommonSettings.php' for inclusion (include_path='.:/usr/share/php:/usr/share/pear') in /usr/local/apache/common-local/php-1.19/LocalSettings.php on line 8
[17:33:54] <apergos>	 DB connection error: Access denied for user 'wikiuser'@'localhost' (using password: NO) (localhost)
[17:33:57] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Oracle installer throw SET CONSTRAINTS ALL DEFERRED PL/SQL error - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34280  +comment (10jfehrman)
[17:34:12] <RoanKattouw>	 Oh, hah, because it's testwiki
[17:34:16] <RoanKattouw>	 Does test2wiki still work?
[17:34:28] <RoanKattouw>	 Also, does snapshot2 not have /home mounted anymore?
[17:34:35] <apergos>	 perfectly test2wiki
[17:34:46] <apergos>	 and we have had home not mounted on these hosts for some time now
[17:34:50] <apergos>	 it makes me a happy camper
[17:34:54] <RoanKattouw>	 Well sure
[17:34:57] <RoanKattouw>	 But ... hmm
[17:34:59] <apergos>	 and testwiki has run on them
[17:35:17] <apergos>	 20120212
[17:35:20] <RoanKattouw>	 I *think* there is an assumption somewhere that /home can be used wherever testwiki is
[17:35:30] <apergos>	 yes, but it's going to be somethign broken recently
[17:36:33] <apergos>	 it used to do that indeed, but there was some clever workaround
[17:36:42] <apergos>	 and now whatever it was is gone or broken again
[17:37:08] <RoanKattouw>	 hmph
[17:37:12] <apergos>	 staring at the multiversion scripts and localsettings and some other thing, rather like scrying tea-leaves, netting me nothing useful
[17:37:15] <RoanKattouw>	 Well Aaron says he hasn't touched this recently
[17:37:20] <robla>	 apergos: how important is testwiki for your purposes?
[17:37:22] <apergos>	 which is why I thought I would pass it to "you folks"
[17:37:33] <apergos>	 if I can't dump it, then no one gets dumps of it
[17:37:47] <apergos>	 I can put it in the skipdbs list and never dump it
[17:38:03] <apergos>	 but otoh it is nice to be able to see whether a feature, when made live there, breaks the dumps... in advance
[17:38:11] <apergos>	 instead of at deployment :-/
[17:38:19] <robla>	 test2 is a better test anyway
[17:38:54] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Special:FeedbackDashboard "hide" function does not suppress the log entry - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34097  +comment (10howief)
[17:39:18] <apergos>	 what gets me really is that something "just broke" and now I want to know what it was
[17:39:44] <codurr>	 03amire80 * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112333> 10/trunk/extensions/WebFonts/resources/ext.webfonts.js: Made browser checking actually work.
[17:41:00] <RoanKattouw>	 apergos: OK I think I have a fix here
[17:41:16] * apergos  is curious

[17:41:24] <codurr>	 03rmoen * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112334> 10/trunk/extensions/VisualEditor/modules/ve/es/ve.es.Surface.js: fix typo which prevented readInterval from stopping onBlur
[17:41:31] <apergos>	 really I'm curious about what broke it
[17:41:56] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Script tag within p, which may cause incorrect Facebook snippet - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34660  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[17:47:35] <Platonides>	 who wants facebook?
[17:47:54] <apergos>	 eh?
[17:48:07] <Platonides>	  <wikibugs> 03(mod) Script tag within p, which may cause incorrect Facebook snippet - 
[17:48:23] <apergos>	 no idea
[17:49:19] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Script tag within p, which may cause incorrect Facebook snippet - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34660  +comment (10Platonides)
[17:50:33] <RoanKattouw>	 apergos: Try now
[17:51:01] <apergos>	 is there anything synced around?
[17:51:17] <apergos>	 (I have the same errors as before)
[17:51:27] <RoanKattouw>	 I synced something that should have fixed it
[17:51:31] <RoanKattouw>	 This is snapshot2?
[17:51:34] <apergos>	 uh huh
[17:51:38] <apergos>	 but snap 1 through 4
[17:51:47] <apergos>	 plus the ones in equiad, they should all get them right?
[17:51:56] * RoanKattouw  syncs snapshot2 manually

[17:51:58] <RoanKattouw>	 I think sp
[17:52:12] <apergos>	 lemme know when to try again
[17:52:12] <RoanKattouw>	 They'll get the updates if they're in fenari:/etc/dsh/group/mediawiki-installation
[17:52:51] <apergos>	 well only 1 through 4, that's bad
[17:52:52] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) switching search target project of search window has to be changed by switching the language - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34672  +comment (10Phil Chang)
[17:52:54] * apergos  makes a note

[17:53:44] <apergos>	 (same error)
[17:56:14] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) switching search target project of search window has to be changed by switching the language - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34672  +comment (10tfinc)
[17:56:27] * RoanKattouw  grumbles in the direction of LocalSettings.php

[17:56:58] <apergos>	 me too, but the 1.18 version doesn't have anything in it that would make my dumps work.  this is why I really wonder what bits got moved around
[17:59:16] <RoanKattouw>	 OK it should work now
[17:59:19] <sumanah>	 hi gonyere - sorry I have to disappear into a meeting
[17:59:30] <apergos>	 I get an IP
[17:59:30] <RoanKattouw>	 Apparently this was a known issue because there was this
[17:59:40] <RoanKattouw>	 if( isset($maintClass) && $maintClass === 'RunJobs' ) {
[17:59:42] <RoanKattouw>	                 # Jobs runner on apache do not have a /home/wikipedia !
[17:59:48] <apergos>	 I saw that
[17:59:57] <RoanKattouw>	 I just added || !file_exists( "/home/wikipedia" ) there
[18:00:05] <apergos>	 worksforme
[18:00:18] <apergos>	 ok, I'll try firing up one of these workers and see if it's happy
[18:00:29] <RoanKattouw>	 In all sorts of places we use proxies (like !$secure , thumb.php , $maintClass ) to check whether /h/w/ will be available, rather than just checking for its damn existence
[18:00:46] <apergos>	 :-D
[18:01:08] <apergos>	 another reason to hate on nfs
[18:01:13] <apergos>	 not that they are lacking
[18:01:42] <apergos>	 damn it
[18:01:55] <apergos>	 the fricking mhash issue
[18:02:34] <apergos>	 *sigh*
[18:03:37] <apergos>	 I hope that's only testwiki
[18:03:48] <apergos>	 if it's the rest of them I'm going to be unhappy about it
[18:04:56] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Logs corrupt or have big delays - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34653  +comment (10mah)
[18:06:36] <apergos>	 thanks for your fix, it took care of the one issue
[18:09:46] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Logs corrupt or have big delays - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34653  +comment (10rainerrillke)
[18:13:04] <hashar>	 see you later tonight
[18:15:24] <sumanah>	 TrevorParscal: please do this now: https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/view/OpenStack#Access_control
[18:15:33] <sumanah>	 the bit that says "now the user should do......"
[18:15:38] <sumanah>	 or rather, "Then the user must do the following: "
[18:16:53] <codurr>	 03aaron * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112335> 10/trunk/tools/mwmultiversion/multiversion/MWMultiVersion.php: Avoid some path hard-coding in onWfShellMaintenanceCmd(). If we are running MW in /usr, then /home is likely not mounted (in which case we can't use the /home MWScript file). Just use the corresponding MWScript file.
[18:17:00] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Feedback text overlaps with personal bar on Tamil Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34681  +comment (10Rob Lanphier)
[18:17:37] <codurr>	 03yonishostak * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112336> 10/trunk/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5/ArticleFeedbackv5.i18n.php: AFTv5: fix r111562 again, misclosed comment
[18:18:35] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) mw.loader.load calls document.write from asynchronous scripts - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34542  (10Rob Lanphier)
[18:19:18] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Please create a Marathi Wikisource - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33907  +comment (10rahuldeshmukh101)
[18:20:24] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Logs corrupt or have big delays - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34653  +comment (10rainerrillke)
[18:20:46] <Ejdesgaard>	 hey
[18:21:14] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Logs corrupt or have big delays - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34653  +comment (10mah)
[18:21:40] <Ejdesgaard>	 whenever i try to create a new page on my mediawiki-1.18.1 I get this sql error: http://dpaste.com/707683/ 
[18:21:57] <Ejdesgaard>	 odd thing is that the page gets created anyway, but it's anoying to get the bug every time
[18:23:04] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Merging account from meta to global account - "Call to undefined method SpecialMergeAccount::doUnattach" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34582  +comment (10Rob Lanphier)
[18:23:07] <wikibugs>	 14(DUP) Special:MergeAccount&action=submit generates error - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34478  +comment (10Rob Lanphier)
[18:23:19] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) unable to (SUL-)login on ru.wikiversity.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34512  +comment (10Rob Lanphier)
[18:23:40] <Platonides>	 Ejdesgaard, maybe you have an extension called dymnorm?
[18:24:01] <codurr>	 New code comment: Awjrichards; Since there's no mention of how array keys should be spaced in the coding conventions for Mediawiki,; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112285#c31434>
[18:24:13] <Platonides>	 !e dymnorm
[18:24:13] <mw-bot>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:dymnorm
[18:24:19] <wikibugs>	 14(DUP) unable to (SUL-)login on ru.wikiversity.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34512  +comment (10Rob Lanphier)
[18:24:21] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Merging account from meta to global account - "Call to undefined method SpecialMergeAccount::doUnattach" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34582  +comment (10Rob Lanphier)
[18:24:26] <codurr>	 03aaron * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112337> 10/trunk/tools/mwmultiversion/multiversion/MWVersion.php: Check if /home is mounted for testwiki
[18:24:34] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) App should handle more than static pages: diffs, history tab, old revisions. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34692 normal; Wikipedia App: Generic; (pete.public.email)
[18:25:47] <Ejdesgaard>	 Platonides: got these addons http://dpaste.com/707687/
[18:25:54] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Android Wikipedia app is not a valid helper app like third-party apps. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34671  +comment (10pete.public.email)
[18:26:41] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) App should handle more than static pages: diffs, history tab, old revisions. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34692  normal->15enhancement (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[18:28:37] <wikibugs>	 04(REOPENED) Please create a Marathi Wikisource - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33907  +comment (10Platonides)
[18:32:54] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) jQuery UI Datepicker div visible - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34609  +comment (10robla)
[18:33:10] <Dantman>	 Fun... I have to review domain registration setup
[18:38:06] <codurr>	 03reedy * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112338> 10/trunk/phase3/includes/api/ApiBase.php: Improve documentation
[18:38:31] <Ejdesgaard>	 Platonides: It was an addon called DidYouMean...
[18:39:43] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) jQuery UI Datepicker div visible - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34609  +comment (10rainerrillke)
[18:45:26] <codurr>	 03reedy * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112339> 10/trunk/phase3/ (32 files in 8 dirs): More __METHOD__ in our madness
[18:46:07] <Platonides>	 Ejdesgaard, you didn't had it properly installed
[18:47:18] <wikibugs>	 03(ASSIGNED) Logs corrupt or have big delays - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34653  (10Arthur Richards)
[18:49:50] <codurr>	 03maxsem * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112340> 10/trunk/phase3/tests/phpunit/includes/api/PrefixUniquenessTest.php: Test that verifies uniqueness of query module prefixes
[18:49:54] <MaxSem>	 Reedy, ^^^
[18:50:03] <MaxSem>	 we discussed this some time ago
[18:50:36] <Reedy>	 orly
[18:50:49] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Add ability to customize Narayam on-wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34693 enhancement; MediaWiki extensions: Narayam; (mah)
[18:51:13] <Reedy>	 MaxSem: is jenkins going to load every extension?
[18:51:38] <MaxSem>	 we should aim for it
[18:51:57] <Reedy>	 ohnoes
[18:52:06] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Install the "Quiz" extension on de.wikibooks - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34694 normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (michael.frey)
[18:52:11] <MaxSem>	 at least, WMF extensions
[18:52:11] <Reedy>	 Have we got all the memory?
[18:52:39] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Install the "Quiz" extension on de.wikibooks - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34694  (10Michael Frey)
[18:52:42] <Reedy>	 Indeed
[18:52:46] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Support for INR symbol - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34650  +comment (10mah)
[18:53:04] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Install the "Quiz" extension on de.wikibooks - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34694  normal->15enhancement (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[18:53:16] <codurr>	 New code comment: Aaron Schulz; MySQL uses stdclass, do the others? I've seen such objects documented as "Row" or "object".; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112257#c31435>
[18:55:47] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Image on Commons is not displayed in a generated PDF file - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34611  +comment (10mah)
[18:57:49] <codurr>	 03amire80 * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112341> 10/trunk/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5/modules/jquery.articleFeedbackv5/jquery.articleFeedbackv5.css: Reverting r110725 - doesn't seem to be relevant anymore.
[18:58:17] <codurr>	 New code comment: Amire80; I was sure that i replied to it, but apparently it wasn't posted.; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110725#c31436>
[18:58:40] <awjr>	 im trying to get file uploads working on a local wiki for testing. when i try to upload an image, i get the following warning "Could not create directory "mwstore://local-backend/local-public/7/78"."
[18:58:51] <awjr>	 anybody have any idea what might cause that?
[18:59:06] <awjr>	 (this is from head of phase3)
[18:59:31] <codurr>	 New code comment: Jeroen De Dauw; I'm not sure and am fine with documenting it as object. Row could also be interpreted as an array, w; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112257#c31437>
[19:00:49] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Image on Commons is not displayed in a generated PDF file - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34611  +comment (10Rob Lanphier)
[19:00:50] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) create a new group in console of labs - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34683  normal->15enhancement (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[19:01:20] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Add abusefilter-viewprivate userright on all wikis and give it to all Administrators - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34677  +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[19:07:28] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Provide an interface to rotate an image - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/32875  +comment (10mah)
[19:09:47] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Oracle installer throw SET CONSTRAINTS ALL DEFERRED PL/SQL error - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34280  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[19:13:38] <codurr>	 03jeroendedauw * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112342> 10/trunk/extensions/EducationProgram/maintenance/importWEPData.php: decode urlencoded apostrophes
[19:17:07] <nischayn22>	 !seen sumanah
[19:17:07] <Petanbot>	 sumanah (~sumanah@mediawiki/sumanah) was last seen parting #mediawiki 52 minutes ago stating "{{"Leaving"}}".
[19:24:03] <awjr>	 im having trouble getting file uploads working, seeing the following error: Could not create directory "mwstore://local-backend/local-public/6/6a". anybody have any insight?
[19:24:13] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Special:Contributions/Newbies lists contributions by user "Newbies" instead of new account edits - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34659  (10Rob Lanphier)
[19:25:08] <Reedy>	 awjr: new wiki?
[19:25:26] <awjr>	 Reedy: aye
[19:25:46] <codurr>	 New code comment: MZMcBride; Given that this issue caused out-of-memory errors on wikimediafoundation.org, are there associated u; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112300#c31438>
[19:26:15] <awjr>	 Reedy: permissions should be fine, as far as i can tell. /images is writable by the webserver
[19:27:07] <awjr>	 Reedy: this is otherwise a vanilla install from branches/wmf/1.19wmf1 (i had previously been using phase3 but realized i actually wanted to test against 1.19)
[19:27:32] <Reedy>	 heh
[19:27:47] <awjr>	 that was encouraging
[19:27:48] <Reedy>	 I don't know how much has changed with the backend rewrites
[19:28:06] <awjr>	  "mwstore://local-backend/local-public/6/6a" is kind of weirding me out
[19:28:23] <Reedy>	 It's been abstracted somewhat
[19:28:31] <Reedy>	 AaronSchulz would probably know the most
[19:29:21] <RoanKattouw_away>	 Yeah that's an abstract storage path
[19:29:26] <RoanKattouw>	 It gets resolved to /mnt/blah/6/6a somewher
[19:29:41] <RoanKattouw>	 Or I should say /mnt/blah/wikimedia/commons/6/6a/ probably
[19:30:08] <Reedy>	 Not locally ;)
[19:30:15] <Reedy>	 awjr: you could 777 to really make sure
[19:31:02] <awjr>	 Reedy: 777 gives the same problem
[19:31:26] <awjr>	 it seems strange that the error message reads 'mwstore://local-backend/local-public/6/6a' as opposed to be translatable to something the user would actually understand
[19:32:06] <sumanah>	 hi robla - are we still on for our appointment in 90 min?
[19:32:20] <awjr>	 RoanKattouw: by default, if i just enabled uploads, shouldn't mwstore://local-backend/local-public map to $IP/images?
[19:33:09] <sumanah>	 robla: I need to know because I am juggling some stuff & may move it
[19:33:12] <robla>	 sumanah: yeah, I think so.  it does conflict with the 1.19 triage that Mark scheduled though
[19:33:17] <RoanKattouw>	 awjr: Yes
[19:33:33] <robla>	 sumanah: if you need to juggle it, let's postpone.
[19:33:43] <awjr>	 AaronSchulz: ping
[19:33:45] <sumanah>	 robla: ok, will postpone to later today if that's ok
[19:33:46] <codurr>	 New code comment: Nikerabbit; And how would you test that? \ You can still cause infinite loop by doing: \ <pre> \ $code = 'pt'; \ while ; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112300#c31439>
[19:34:07] <robla>	 sumanah: yeah that should be fine
[19:34:13] <sumanah>	 robla: will take care of it, thanks.
[19:34:35] <sumanah>	 moved.
[19:34:45] <sumanah>	 ok, RoanKattouw & TrevorParscal, almost ready for our meeting
[19:35:01] <robla>	 !b 34611
[19:35:02] <mw-bot>	 https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=34611
[19:35:02] <TrevorParscal>	 sumanah: can we do it after lunch?
[19:35:20] <sumanah>	 TrevorParscal: do you want to actually share voice or even voice + video...sure, go ahead and move it to someplace that's free on my calendar.
[19:35:30] <sumanah>	 TrevorParscal: I am free for the next 4 hours, now.
[19:35:33] <TrevorParscal>	 ok
[19:35:36] <sumanah>	 Thanks.
[19:36:54] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Oracle installer throw SET CONSTRAINTS ALL DEFERRED PL/SQL error - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34280  +comment (10jfehrman)
[19:38:57] <robla>	 AaronSchulz: maplebed: tfinc: bug 34611 looks like it's two bugs.  one looks like it could be a collections bug, and then Ralf reports something that looks like a thumbnail problem.  Am I reading that right?
[19:38:58] <AaronSchulz>	 RoanKattouw: I'm thinking about killing the wfSuppressWarnings in FSFileBackend so logs actually have useful info
[19:39:01] <robla>	 !b 34611
[19:39:01] <mw-bot>	 https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=34611
[19:40:05] <maplebed>	 robla: I think that's correct.
[19:41:04] <robla>	 maplebed: I think the second problem (from comment 3) is the most important one for you to focus on
[19:41:47] <codurr>	 New code comment: Kaldari; Look like the Classic and MySkin skins need to be updated as well to get redlinks.; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111861#c31440>
[19:41:53] <robla>	 maplebed: I'll copy that into a new bug now
[19:42:06] <maplebed>	 robla: we're talking about that in -operations; looks ilke it was made Feb2nd
[19:42:12] <maplebed>	 and that my cleaner script missed it for some reason.
[19:45:20] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Some corrupt thumbs remain from initial Swift deploy - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34695 normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (robla)
[19:45:33] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Some corrupt thumbs remain from initial Swift deploy - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34695  (10Rob Lanphier)
[19:47:14] <Ashex>	 I've got a question about parser functions, is there some sort of elseif?
[19:47:34] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Image on Commons is not displayed in a generated PDF file - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34611  +comment (10Rob Lanphier)
[19:47:35] <Reedy>	 use else, and put an if in there
[19:47:36] <Ashex>	 I'm writing a conditional to hide elemants in a template using <noinclude>
[19:47:43] <Ashex>	 Ok
[19:48:02] <codurr>	 03jeroendedauw * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112343> 10/trunk/extensions/EducationProgram/specials/SpecialMyCourses.php: re-added enrollment success message
[19:48:05] <Ashex>	 Second question, is this valid? {{#if: {{{Services|}}} | PHP| <noinclude> }} 
[19:48:14] <sumanah>	 Argh. I am uploading an annotated screenshot from Gerrit, which is under an Apache license, to mediawiki.org.  What license should I indicate for the screenshot? :-/
[19:48:16] * sumanah  researches

[19:48:52] <Dantman>	 Ashex: <noinclude> should be run at a separate level than parser functions
[19:49:09] <Ashex>	 Dantman: crud
[19:49:29] <Ashex>	 I have 4 fields I want to hide if Services is equal to PHP.
[19:49:43] <Ashex>	 I was going to use two if statements, one to add the open tag and the other to close it
[19:50:22] <Dantman>	 Why do you have to use noinclude for that?
[19:50:45] <Ashex>	 I was going to wrap each field with #if, I figured this would be cleaner
[19:51:00] <Dantman>	 Ashex: no, it wouldn't... that's not what noinclude tags are for
[19:51:00] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) with debug=true, multiple banners get loaded on the page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34696 normal; MediaWiki extensions: CentralNotice; (rkaldari)
[19:51:38] <Ashex>	 I sorta figured that was the case
[19:52:00] <codurr>	 03yaron * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112344> 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/ (7 files in 3 dirs): Follow-up to r112224 - removed now-unnecessary helper function SFUtils::getSpecialPage(), replaced with the function it called, SpecialPageFactory::getPage()
[19:53:36] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) purging thumbnails via MW action did not purge all thumbnails - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34697 normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (lcarr)
[19:54:17] <Ashex>	 I am very green with parser functions, so I'm going to throw out a couple stupid questions. I want to wrap #if around a field that contains ! and |, how do I escape those?
[19:54:46] <Dantman>	 Ashex: If it's for table syntax {{!}}
[19:54:59] <Dantman>	 Where Template:! is a template that contains |
[19:55:43] <Ashex>	 Okay, and do I have to do anything for multi-line like collapse it to one?
[19:56:12] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) purging thumbnails via MW action did not purge all thumbnails - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34697  +comment (10Leslie Carr)
[19:57:01] <codurr>	 New code comment: Kaldari; Nevermind about MySkin, that skin apparently has no CSS on purpose.; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111861#c31441>
[19:58:40] <Dantman>	 Ashex: If you use a <nowiki/> in your #if's contents you can armor whitespace to ensure that it shows up.
[19:59:09] <Dantman>	 eg: }}{{#if:{{{foo|}}|<nowiki/>\n* On a new line}}
[19:59:28] <Dantman>	 The * will always be on a new line, but the new line will only be there if the contents are expanded
[19:59:38] <sumanah>	 ^demon: in Gerrit, how do I see ALL recent commits, regardless of merge queue/abandoned/merged status?
[20:00:01] <Dantman>	 Hmmm... this is interesting behaviour
[20:00:03] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) purging thumbnails via MW action did not purge all thumbnails - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34697  +comment (10aschulz4587)
[20:00:17] <^demon>	 sumanah: If you remove the status:open from the query, it'll show everything
[20:00:24] <sumanah>	 I tried that
[20:00:29] <Dantman>	 $title = Title::newFromText( "#var" ); => Title (0, '', 'var')
[20:00:35] <sumanah>	 no difference in what I was shown, I think
[20:00:39] <Dantman>	 $title = Title::newFromText( "#var", NS_MAIN ); => Title (0, '', 'var')
[20:00:51] <Dantman>	 $title = Title::newFromText( "#var", NS_TEMPLATE ); => null
[20:00:51] <Ashex>	 Dantman: I think I understand better, I'll play with it.
[20:01:10] <sumanah>	 yeah
[20:01:29] <^demon>	 sumanah: I think you might still need to give it a project:foo.
[20:01:31] <sumanah>	 I've tried erasing everything from the query/search box, ^demon, and hitting Search. No difference in what I am shown
[20:02:31] <sumanah>	 ^demon: I tried "project:test" and got an empty list: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#q,project:test,n,z  even though we have been committing to the test project
[20:02:44] <^demon>	 https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#q,project:test/mediawiki/extensions/examples,n,z
[20:03:10] <sumanah>	 ^demon: so the search only works if I specify down to the subdirectory?
[20:03:24] <^demon>	 To the project level. "test" isn't a project.
[20:03:42] <codurr>	 03kaldari * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112345> 10/trunk/phase3/skins/common/ (commonElements.css wikistandard.css): follow-up to r111861, fixing classic skin
[20:03:50] * sumanah  skims https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/Documentation/user-search.html

[20:03:56] <Ashex>	 Dantman: found the wiki article on cond tables. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Conditional_tables#Plan_B
[20:04:00] <^demon>	 And the names are largely for our own convenience. "test/mediawiki" doesn't imply "test"
[20:04:02] <Ashex>	 I gotta say, that is so cool
[20:04:27] <Dantman>	 Ashex: ;) sure, if you like fugly syntax
[20:04:34] <sumanah>	 ^demon: so there's no way to actually just see everything.
[20:04:58] <sumanah>	 Dantman, destroying enthusiasm since 2000
[20:05:03] <Dantman>	 lol
[20:05:04] <codurr>	 03jeroendedauw * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112346> 10/trunk/extensions/EducationProgram/specials/SpecialEnroll.php: fixed enrollment issue
[20:05:12] <^demon>	 sumanah: "Everything, regardless of status or project", looks like no.
[20:05:20] <^demon>	 Looks like there has to be at least 1 search parameter.
[20:05:24] <sumanah>	 it's not enough for Dantman to be cranky - no one else can like things!
[20:05:31] <sumanah>	 ^demon: :-(
[20:05:52] <^demon>	 I stand horribly corrected on one issue though.
[20:05:58] <^demon>	 You *can* search by affected files
[20:06:13] <Dantman>	 Ashex: Eventually we might have Lua with loops and whatnot... which won't require your firstborn in order to write a full length infobox template
[20:06:38] <^demon>	 sumanah: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/Documentation/user-search.html#file
[20:06:49] <Ashex>	 Dantman: I saw that on the roadmap, I'm definitely looking forward to it
[20:07:02] <Ashex>	 The people who will be using the wiki work in statistics, so they'll go nuts :p
[20:07:03] <apergos>	 what is our way to view our git repo on the web anyhow?
[20:07:04] <sumanah>	 "Currently this operator is only available on a watched project and may not be used in the search bar."
[20:07:09] <Dantman>	 Personally I kind of wish the JS engines were up to scratch.
[20:07:19] <sumanah>	 Ashex: cool! What's your wiki?
[20:07:21] <apergos>	 I wanna add a link to a script, to one of our doc pages...
[20:07:33] <sumanah>	 apergos: THE MAGIC OF GITWEB
[20:07:39] <apergos>	 url?
[20:07:40] <^demon>	 sumanah: But you can watch projects trivially.
[20:07:51] <sumanah>	 apergos: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/gitweb?p=mediawiki/extensions/CodeReview.git;a=summary
[20:07:52] <Ashex>	 sumanah: it's actually internal, I setup a wiki family so each team will have their own
[20:07:58] <sumanah>	 apergos: that is an example
[20:08:11] <kevindank>	 Is there a good guide on installing Varnish ontop of Mediawiki
[20:08:13] <sumanah>	 ^demon: But it's not as transparent to people without logins.
[20:08:19] <apergos>	 eeww
[20:08:19] <kevindank>	 My mediawiki is extremely slow and buggy on internet explorer
[20:08:27] <apergos>	 ok lemme find the plain raw text link
[20:08:29] <kevindank>	 using Semantic Mediawiki/Forms
[20:08:33] <kevindank>	 on Google Chrome it flies
[20:08:36] <apergos>	 I was ghoping you wouldn't say gerrit :-(
[20:08:44] <^demon>	 apergos: I've got a change in place for easier redirecting to gitweb, but it's not working yet.
[20:09:08] <^demon>	 apergos: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/gitweb/foo/bar.git
[20:09:12] <^demon>	 Once I fix the redirect
[20:09:18] <apergos>	 that will be better
[20:10:38] <codurr>	 03aaron * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112347> 10/trunk/phase3/includes/filerepo/backend/FSFileBackend.php:
[20:10:38] <codurr>	 In FSFileBackend:
[20:10:38] <codurr>	 * Removed some error suppression as display_errors should never be enabled for production sites and the suppression hid useful log information.
[20:11:27] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) mwstore:// URLs appear in various error messages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34238  +comment (10aschulz4587)
[20:13:32] <codurr>	 03kaldari * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112348> 10/trunk/phase3/ (4 files in 3 dirs): wikistandard.css is not a common skin file, it is only used by the classic/standard skin. moving from skins/common/ to skins/standard
[20:19:08] <Dantman>	 O_O Our includable special pages kill the cache!?
[20:19:56] <sumanah>	 Ashex: btw are you coming to any of our upcoming developers' events? we want power users like you to come as well https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki_developer_meetings
[20:20:08] <apergos>	 special pages? includable?
[20:20:14] <apergos>	 which pages are these??
[20:20:26] * Dantman  wonders if we should usurp disableCache's implementation with one that defaults to only reducing cache expiry to 1h and then requiring you to call $parser->disableCache( 'noreally' ); to ACTUALLY disable it.

[20:20:54] <Dantman>	 apergos: ...anyone that's set as incudable
[20:20:59] <Dantman>	 RC, Allpages, etc...
[20:21:06] <apergos>	 oh boy
[20:21:13] * apergos  grimaces

[20:21:20] <Dantman>	 When they are transcluded that is
[20:21:23] <codurr>	 03jeroendedauw * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112349> 10/trunk/extensions/EducationProgram/ (5 files in 2 dirs): added auths and prefs for bulk deletion and added missing messages for rights and actions
[20:21:29] <apergos>	 yeah yeah I got it
[20:21:38] <Ashex>	 sumanah: I wasn't aware of them. is there an announce mail list I can subscribe to?
[20:21:53] <Dantman>	 It seams that the code that handles a {{Special:Allpages}} Calls $parser->disableCache(); after extracting the contents.
[20:21:56] <hashar>	 AaronSchulz: ping pong ? :-)
[20:22:07] <sumanah>	 Ashex: wikitech-l right now, + @MediaWikiMeet on Twitter and Identi.ca.  setting up a mailing list for events-only is on my todo list.....
[20:22:19] <codurr>	 03aaron * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112350> 10/trunk/phase3/includes/specials/SpecialContributions.php: r100315: removed now redundant code
[20:22:27] <hashar>	 AaronSchulz: I think I got a bug in filerepo.   TempFSFile::factory( "some file", "ext" )->getPath();  would create a temp file but self destruct the file
[20:22:28] <sumanah>	 Ashex: and you could subscribe to that mediawiki.org page via watchlist or rss.  But still, I hear you, I mean to do it
[20:23:36] <AaronSchulz>	 hashar: where?
[20:24:00] <hashar>	 phpunit/includes/filerepo/FileBackendTest.php   in the provider provider_testStore
[20:24:14] <AaronSchulz>	 oh, some tests
[20:24:27] <hashar>	 AaronSchulz: the factory does return an object, but since we just call ->getPath() on it, it is destroyed at the sametime
[20:24:40] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Image on Commons is not displayed in a generated PDF file - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34611  +comment (10ralf)
[20:24:48] <hashar>	 so the temp file will never get deleted by __destruct()
[20:25:05] <hashar>	 I am trying to write a test case for it
[20:25:50] <wikibugs>	 14(DUP) Image on Commons is not displayed in a generated PDF file - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34611  +comment (10Ralf Schmitt)
[20:25:51] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Some corrupt thumbs remain from initial Swift deploy - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34695  +comment (10Ralf Schmitt)
[20:25:58] <AaronSchulz>	 hashar: $tmpName = TempFSFile::factory( "unittests_", 'txt' )->getPath();
[20:26:00] <AaronSchulz>	 that?
[20:26:04] <hashar>	 yeah
[20:26:07] <hashar>	 it is used at other place too
[20:26:27] <AaronSchulz>	 it looks like it's just a crappy way of getting a temp path name
[20:26:32] <AaronSchulz>	 I don't see other uses
[20:26:41] <hashar>	 but in this specific case, the factory return an object, it is used only once for the getPath() then self destruct right away since the object is never used again
[20:27:36] <AaronSchulz>	 hashar: it's silly but doesn't hurt anything
[20:28:07] <codurr>	 03jeroendedauw * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112351> 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticResultFormats/Gallery/resources/ext.srf.jcarousel.js: Follow up to r112215;
[20:28:19] <hashar>	 someone (maybe me) expected TempFSFile to delete the file 
[20:28:38] <hashar>	 instead, it is never deleted which make the test leak the file :-)))
[20:28:47] <hashar>	 will fix it somehow
[20:29:21] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Some corrupt thumbs remain from initial Swift deploy - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34695  +comment (10Ralf Schmitt)
[20:29:39] <Ashex>	 I just realized I'm using #if wrong
[20:30:09] <AaronSchulz>	 $this->filesToPrune[] = $op['src'];
[20:30:16] <codurr>	 New code comment: Jeroen De Dauw; Stuff not remarked upon below taken care off in follow up. \ > Not fan of the custom html attributes,; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112215#c31442>
[20:30:23] <Ashex>	 The first argument for #if is an expression such was {{{cows}}}=blue
[20:30:23] <AaronSchulz>	 hashar: it will still get deleted, the test is only using that to get a random path
[20:30:24] <Ashex>	 Right?
[20:30:39] <hashar>	 AaronSchulz: yeah will use filesToPrune
[20:30:58] <codurr>	 03hashar * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112352> 10/trunk/phase3/tests/phpunit/includes/filerepo/FileBackendTest.php: avoid test suite file leaks
[20:30:59] <AaronSchulz>	 though I find it funny that provider_testStore passed some excess arguments in
[20:31:13] <codurr>	 03raymond * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112353> 10/trunk/phase3/ (3 files in 2 dirs): r112128: Comment out dupe message keys
[20:36:37] <AaronSchulz>	 robla: if you want a contribs notice, there is the issue of localisation
[20:37:17] <robla>	 AaronSchulz: you're talking about the deprecation notice for [[Special:Contributions/newbies]]?
[20:37:41] <Ashex>	 I'm still having trouble with this table. can someone look at this and tell me if I'm using #if correctly? http://pastebin.com/av1cyFj0
[20:38:01] <codurr>	 New code comment: Raymond; Message keys commented out for the moment with r112353; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112128#c31443>
[20:38:34] <codurr>	 03hashar * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112354> 10/branches/REL1_19/phase3/ (4 files in 3 dirs):
[20:38:34] <codurr>	 MFT to REL1_19 fix tests leaking files
[20:38:34] <codurr>	 Merges: r112326 r112327 r112352
[20:38:35] <codurr>	 This is needed since WMF continuouos integration server runs REL1_19
[20:38:36] <codurr>	 test suite.
[20:42:46] <codurr>	 New code comment: Aaron Schulz; Why not just move that filesToPrune[] code to the doConcatenate and doStore functions? I don't know ; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112352#c31444>
[20:43:18] <AaronSchulz>	 robla: yes
[20:45:53] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) FlaggedRevs for RU Wiktionary - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33753  -shellpolicy +shell; +comment (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[20:46:37] <sumanah>	 hi nischayn22 
[20:46:50] <hashar>	 sumanah: hello again :)
[20:46:54] <nischayn22>	 hi..
[20:46:54] <sumanah>	 hi hashar 
[20:47:04] <hashar>	 sumanah: I have noticed you made some commits to gerrit :-D
[20:47:13] <sumanah>	 hashar: yeah, tests during the trainings
[20:47:14] <yuvipanda>	 sumanah: quick PM?
[20:47:17] <sumanah>	 ok
[20:47:20] <sumanah>	 sure, yuvipanda 
[20:47:21] <nischayn22>	 sumanah: was busy with exams..but finally over :)
[20:47:26] <sumanah>	 :)
[20:47:33] <hashar>	 great :-D
[20:47:42] <hashar>	 cause test/mediawiki/extensions/examples  might just self destruct one day
[20:47:58] <sumanah>	 hashar: well, that's the point
[20:48:02] <sumanah>	 it's for testing and training
[20:48:03] <sumanah>	 right?
[20:48:37] <codurr>	 03foxtrott * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112355> 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/includes/SF_AutoeditAPI.php: bugfix (null not a valid param value anymore)
[20:48:56] <sumanah>	 nischayn22: how were the exams?
[20:49:11] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) "accept" button isn't greyed out if the rev is already accepted - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34698 normal; MediaWiki extensions: FlaggedRevs; (mah)
[20:49:54] <nischayn22>	 sumanah: fine
[20:50:04] <nischayn22>	 I was trying to solve some bugs
[20:50:12] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) PHPUnit test suite leaks temporary data - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33987  +comment (10hashar)
[20:50:23] <sumanah>	 nischayn22: great, how is that going?
[20:50:37] <nischayn22>	 but whats listed are not bugs..people are asking  for features on bugzilla
[20:51:05] <nischayn22>	 those listed on  the annoying little bugs page
[20:51:34] <sumanah>	 nischayn22: please be clearer, I don't understand.
[20:52:05] <nischayn22>	 I went to this link http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Annoying_little_bugs where there are bugs listed
[20:52:46] <sumanah>	 Yes.
[20:52:55] <nischayn22>	 https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=30796 is the first bug listed ..it looks like the user is asking for a feature
[20:53:03] <sumanah>	 Ah, and it's confusing to you that some of those are not defects, but feature requests.
[20:53:03] <nischayn22>	 rather than reporting a bug
[20:53:06] <sumanah>	 OK.
[20:53:10] <sumanah>	 So, then, I should be clearer on that page.
[20:53:20] <sumanah>	 I think it's ok for that page to list both enhancement requests and defect reports.
[20:53:22] <sumanah>	 Is that ok with you?
[20:53:24] <nischayn22>	 yes
[20:53:27] <sumanah>	 ok.
[20:54:09] <nischayn22>	 but I am supposed to work on bugs as a newbie ryt?
[20:54:36] <nischayn22>	 or enhancement request is also fine?
[20:55:43] <sumanah>	 nischayn22: let me ask you.
[20:55:43] <hashar>	 nischayn22: as a newbie, work on something that you want to do :-D
[20:55:50] <sumanah>	 nischayn22: what do you think the goal of these exercises is?
[20:56:13] <nischayn22>	 getting familiar with the code base i guess..
[20:56:33] <sumanah>	 Yes.
[20:56:39] <sumanah>	 You get to direct your own learning.
[20:56:52] <sumanah>	 If you learn best by making fixes to things that don't work, then fix bugs.
[20:57:09] <sumanah>	 If you learn best by adding shiny new functionality to something that already works, then make little enhancements.
[20:57:17] <sumanah>	 nischayn22: How do you learn best?
[20:57:57] <nischayn22>	 sumanah: well adding a functionality sounds more challenging and exciting..
[20:58:21] <sumanah>	 nischayn22: then go ahead and try it!
[20:58:32] <sumanah>	 nischayn22: and if you have problems, you can ask here.
[20:58:44] <sumanah>	 :-)
[20:58:46] <nischayn22>	 sumanah: thanks a lot..
[20:58:49] <sumanah>	 you are welcome!
[20:58:52] <sumanah>	 and hashar is right.
[20:59:10] <nischayn22>	 hashar: thanks ..
[20:59:22] <hashar>	 let me find you my very first commmit
[20:59:25] <sumanah>	 I've also reorganized https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Annoying_little_bugs a little so it is more accurate.
[20:59:51] <hashar>	 nischayn22: here is my very first commit https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/2716
[21:00:15] <sumanah>	 btw hashar remind me, do you think you'll have a spare 5 hours/week this summer to be a GSoC mentor?
[21:00:15] <hashar>	 nischayn22: since I am french , I have started hacking MediaWiki by changing the french language file :-)
[21:01:10] <sumanah>	 nischayn22: here's mine: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/109423
[21:01:17] <hashar>	 sumanah: I am not confident enough to mentor someone else. My english skill is not that good to mentor someone
[21:01:24] <sumanah>	 hashar: what if they were French?
[21:01:35] <hashar>	 sumanah: but if you get anyone applying from Quebec / Louisiana or France .. no problem :-)
[21:01:38] <sumanah>	 OK!
[21:01:43] <sumanah>	 or Senegal
[21:01:52] <sumanah>	 Dakar? D'accord!
[21:01:54] <nischayn22>	 checking them out..:)
[21:02:17] <hashar>	 yeah Senegal is probably fine too :-D
[21:03:00] <hashar>	 now I need to read the git workflow article
[21:06:37] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Add step property to the pages tag - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34689  (10thomaspt)
[21:07:04] <Nikerabbit>	 hi sumanah
[21:07:13] <sumanah>	 hi Nikerabbit!
[21:07:17] <nischayn22>	 sumanah: so you had edited that variable apisb-intro 's initialization...did I get it right?
[21:07:51] <Nikerabbit>	 sumanah: is there something from me or our team for which you haven't gotten an response and you are still waiting for it?
[21:08:44] <sumanah>	 Nikerabbit: probably, but it will take me a few minutes to think of it
[21:08:54] <sumanah>	 Nikerabbit: can you give me a few minutes?
[21:09:20] <sumanah>	 nischayn22: in that commit to ApiSandbox, I edited a string associated with that variable, yes
[21:10:03] <Nikerabbit>	 sumanah: just something that occured to me when I cleaned up my inbox
[21:11:19] <codurr>	 03raymond * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112356> 10/trunk/ (94 files in 63 dirs): Localisation updates for core and extension messages from translatewiki.net
[21:11:50] <sumanah>	 nischayn22: I need to go because I have a couple meetings but anyone here can help you.
[21:12:17] <sumanah>	 Is that ok?
[21:12:19] <nischayn22>	 fine..thanks
[21:12:28] <sumanah>	 also nischayn22 Chennai hackathon 17 Mar http://ur1.ca/82v84
[21:14:12] <sumanah>	 Nikerabbit: here are the things that I know of:
[21:14:20] <sumanah>	 Nikerabbit: patch review for i18n-related patches in Bugzilla
[21:14:29] <sumanah>	 Nikerabbit: there are several of those, the last time I checked
[21:15:39] <Nikerabbit>	 sumanah: we might have a sprint later just for fixing i18n bugs (which would include looking at the patches), but that might be annoying late for the submitters
[21:16:01] <sumanah>	 Nikerabbit: how much later is this proposed sprint?
[21:16:31] <Nikerabbit>	 sumanah: I have no idea, it was only suggested by siebrand few days ago
[21:16:52] <Nikerabbit>	 but given that one sprint is two weeks, and we started new one tuesday this week...
[21:17:22] <sumanah>	 Nikerabbit: Can I ask you to look into it and get back to me?
[21:17:41] <sumanah>	 Second: did you already deal with https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:TheDJ&curid=4459835&diff=474351388&oldid=472562092#Edittop_Gadget_.26_RTL ?
[21:18:19] <Nikerabbit>	 sumanah: as far as I know, we haven't
[21:18:31] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) [mw.config] wgActionPaths should be an object instead of a numeral array JavaScript - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34604  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[21:19:04] <sumanah>	 Nikerabbit: so, please take a look at that.  And third, if you could ask Siebrand about the status of "Re: Arabic-speaking technologists who want to improve MediaWiki" then that would be great.
[21:19:14] <sumanah>	 I could do more digging if I had more time, but I am 20 min late for a meeting.
[21:19:36] <Nikerabbit>	 sumanah: I'll write these into our team pad
[21:19:42] <sumanah>	 OK. Thank you
[21:20:18] <codurr>	 03jeroendedauw * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112357> 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/ (2 files in 2 dirs): added parameters param to smwdoc
[21:26:44] <johnduhart>	 integration.mediawiki.org/testswarm is slooooowwwww
[21:27:23] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Logs corrupt or have big delays - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34653  +comment (10rainerrillke)
[21:29:54] <codurr>	 03rmoen * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112358> 10/trunk/extensions/MoodBar/ (ApiMoodBar.php MoodBar.i18n.php): suppressed feedback comment in log per bug 34097
[21:32:41] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) Special:FeedbackDashboard "hide" function does not suppress the log entry - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34097  +comment (10Rob Moen)
[21:37:59] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Javascript errors in firebug and page flash on commons when debug=true - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34664  +comment (10Roan Kattouw)
[21:38:45] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) upload protection and edit protection should be one-step process - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34209  summary; +comment (10Rob Lanphier)
[21:39:22] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) API should allow protecting/unprotecting using pageid - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/32497  +comment (10krenair)
[21:40:30] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Add step property to the pages tag - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34689  (10thomaspt)
[21:40:53] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) API should allow protecting/unprotecting using pageid - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/32497   +need-review +patch (10Krenair)
[21:43:50] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) "accept" button isn't greyed out if the rev is already accepted - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34698  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[21:47:59] <Ashex>	 Fun fact for those who care. If you want to store IRC logs in mediawiki with syntax highlighting, use irclog2html. http://pypi.python.org/pypi/irclog2html
[21:48:03] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) [Regression] IRC string output for log messages no longer compatible - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34508  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[21:53:20] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) with debug=true, multiple banners get loaded on the page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34696  +comment (10Ryan Kaldari)
[21:54:39] <Nikerabbit>	 Ashex: it would be cool to also have IRC as format in geshi
[21:54:54] <wikibugs>	 03(WONTFIX) [Regression] There should not be a mismatch between html and stylesheet version - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34504  +comment (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[21:56:22] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) with debug=true, callback gets executed multiple times by mw.loader.using() - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34696  summary (10Ryan Kaldari)
[21:56:23] <codurr>	 03maxsem * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112359> 10/trunk/extensions/MobileFrontend/ApiQueryExcerpt.php: Don't parse whole page on cache misses
[21:57:31] <codurr>	 New code comment: Kaldari; I fixed the classic skin in r112345.; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111861#c31445>
[21:58:27] <Ashex>	 Nikerabbit: I agree, I actually found that script while looking around for an IRC language
[21:59:13] <Ashex>	 The problem with adding IRC is each client does the formatting differently, so it would probably be easier to write a client specific language file
[21:59:46] <codurr>	 New code comment: Nikerabbit; Maybe you could use data- attributes from html5. It's basically the same but html validators wont co; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112215#c31446>
[22:00:03] <Nikerabbit>	 Ashex: yeah there is no standard
[22:01:07] <wikibugs>	 04(REOPENED) Special:FeedbackDashboard "hide" function does not suppress the log entry - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34097  +comment (10Rob Moen)
[22:01:08] <Ashex>	 Perhaps when I have some time I'll look into it, but for now that pythons cript will suffice
[22:01:42] <codurr>	 03aaron * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112360> 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/frontend/modules/ext.flaggedRevs.review.js: Added missing # to jquery selector
[22:03:04] <codurr>	 03aaron * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112361> 10/branches/wmf/1.19wmf1/extensions/ (3 files in 3 dirs): MFT r112360
[22:05:16] <codurr>	 New code comment: Jeroen De Dauw; > Maybe you could use data- attributes from html5 \ Right, this is what I usually do, so happy to see; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112215#c31447>
[22:05:52] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) "accept" button isn't greyed out if the rev is already accepted - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34698  +comment (10Aaron Schulz)
[22:06:46] <codurr>	 New code comment: Nikerabbit; Yes you are correct. I hate the colon vs. semicolon difference though. Easy to mistake, especially w; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112215#c31448>
[22:08:44] <nischayn22>	 sumanah: are you free now?
[22:08:48] <sumanah>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Git/Workflow now has SCREENSHOTS yay!
[22:08:54] <sumanah>	 nischayn22: I'm free now, yes.
[22:09:40] <sumanah>	 FYI, people who need to quickly crop and annotate screenshots on Linux, Pinta Image Editor did what I needed :-)
[22:09:40] <nischayn22>	 can I make a suggestion for mediawiki...
[22:09:43] <sumanah>	 sure!
[22:09:46] <codurr>	 New code comment: Jeroen De Dauw; jslint goes mad at you when you repeat the var stuff, and I've seen this approach recommended at var; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112215#c31449>
[22:11:21] <nischayn22>	 when installing mediawiki one has to go to the localsettings.php file to update $wgLogo...can't there be a simple "upload your logo button"?
[22:11:30] <sumanah>	 nischayn22: good idea!
[22:11:31] <codurr>	 New code comment: Nikerabbit; Not so much about the practice but about the design of the language. Maybe little extra indentation ; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112215#c31450>
[22:11:45] <sumanah>	 !logo
[22:11:45] <mw-bot>	 The logo that appears in the top left of each page is from $wgLogo in LocalSettings.php. To change this you change the value of $wgLogo to point to the URL of your own logo. See <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgLogo>. Be sure $wgLogo is set to an absolute path, starting with "/" (or a protocol "http:"/"https:"). Using pretty URLs a relative path will behave oddly. 135x135 pixels
[22:12:17] <sumanah>	 nischayn22: so, your idea seems good to me
[22:12:39] <sumanah>	 nischayn22: I guess a few questions are:
[22:13:01] <nischayn22>	 I suggest that uploading would be easy and the php will handle its location itself
[22:13:37] <sumanah>	 1) who should have the permission to do that? right now it's only the people with shell access to the server where the MediaWiki instance lives.  So that takes care of the permissions gatekeeping.  But if it's in the web interface, then what level of person should be able to do it?
[22:13:51] <sumanah>	 2) where in the user interface should this option be?  
[22:14:11] <sumanah>	 3) how much more work would it be to also add this to the MediaWiki installation sequence?
[22:14:12] <ronabop>	 Admin fights over the logo coming right up!
[22:14:18] <sumanah>	 ronabop: exactly.
[22:14:51] <codurr>	 03jeroendedauw * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112362> 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticResultFormats/Gallery/ (SRF_Gallery.php resources/ext.srf.jcarousel.js): Follow up to r112215;
[22:15:16] <nischayn22>	 so it could be an option when the installation is done so that only the concerned people can do it...
[22:15:17] <codurr>	 03maxsem * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112363> 10/trunk/extensions/MobileFrontend/ApiQueryExcerpt.php: Don't tidy plaintext
[22:15:38] * sumanah  looks at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:FAQ#How_do_I_change_the_logo.3F

[22:16:35] <sumanah>	 nischayn22: yes, I think that sounds cool.
[22:16:51] <sumanah>	 nischayn22: is this something that interests you? if so, go ahead and try to figure it out.
[22:16:53] <ronabop>	 Install scripting can set the logo configuration line as a nicety, but post install should be command line, perhaps?
[22:17:02] <sumanah>	 ronabop: That makes sense to me
[22:18:33] <nischayn22>	 post install the user will have to change the logo file in the server using ftp...and we shall also provide a way to link it to some URL
[22:20:01] <sumanah>	 nischayn22: ok, so it seems like you are on the way to writing a good specification
[22:20:48] <sumanah>	 nischayn22: for an enhancement like this, I suggest you write it up as a few paragraphs specifying what the change would be and how to guard against edge cases, and then file it as an enhancement request in Bugzilla. Say, in your comment, whether you are interested in working on this yourself
[22:20:50] <nischayn22>	 sumanah: there was some user on irc yesterday who seemed to be new to programming and couldn't understand how to update the wgLogo..and I couldn't help him much
[22:21:06] <sumanah>	 it would also be worthwhile for you to search the Bugzilla archives to see if anyone else has already proposed this.
[22:21:12] <sumanah>	 nischayn22: that must have been frustrating!
[22:22:34] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Wikipedia pages not complying with CC-BY-SA license - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34673  04CRIT->major; +comment (10Phil Chang)
[22:24:59] <sumanah>	 OK, I'm about to schedule the Gerrit trainings for early next week.  You have about 10 minutes to add your availability to http://www.doodle.com/9r5nb33u8cu4ap6y 
[22:25:11] <Dantman>	 Ooooohhhh... ^_^ I learned a new Sublime Text 2 keyboard shortcust
[22:25:17] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) upload protection and edit protection should be one-step process - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34209  +comment (10Aaron Schulz)
[22:25:49] <sumanah>	 Right now it looks like there will be 1 around this time Monday (5pm ET) and one around 4pm ET Tuesday.
[22:25:56] <wikibugs>	 04(REOPENED) Image on Commons is not displayed in a generated PDF file - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34611  +comment (10Ben Hartshorne)
[22:25:58] <hashar>	 sumanah: reading Git/Workflow, I guess we should split that looong page
[22:26:07] <sumanah>	 hashar: At some point, yes.
[22:26:14] <sumanah>	 But only after I finish integrating more stuff into it....
[22:26:33] <sumanah>	 Actually, maybe a very long page is fine
[22:26:41] <sumanah>	 as long as there are headers to provide anchors to link to!
[22:26:43] <Dantman>	 Cmd+T; Opens up a sort of quick-open box. You start typing the name of the file you want to open, and it filters down to the one you want. No looking through subfolders manually, no open dialog. And it even has an instant preview like feature.
[22:27:02] <nischayn22>	 https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=26993 sumanah: this one is interesting!
[22:27:23] <hashar>	 sumanah:  a part about installing / setting up local tools. second part describing the overall model we are going to use. third part about interacting with gerrit
[22:27:30] <hashar>	 but overall, that page is great
[22:27:52] <hashar>	 there is a few minor mistakes in there. Will poke at them tommorrow
[22:27:58] <sumanah>	 hashar: there is additional material scattered on wikitech.wikimedia.org and labsconsole.wikimedia.org
[22:28:10] <sumanah>	 hashar: ok
[22:28:23] <sumanah>	 hashar: I'll think about that division.....
[22:28:40] <sumanah>	 hashar: right now I like having it all in one page, easier for the trainings....
[22:28:45] <hashar>	 probably
[22:35:33] <wikibugs>	 03(ASSIGNED) Some corrupt thumbs remain from initial Swift deploy - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34695  +comment (10Ben Hartshorne)
[22:36:08] <codurr>	 03kaldari * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112364> 10/trunk/extensions/examples/HelloWorld/SpecialHelloWorld.php: changing wfMsg to wfMessage
[22:37:19] <codurr>	 03inez * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112365> 10/trunk/extensions/VisualEditor/demos/playground/playground.js: New approach for handling input in ContentEditable - compare not only plain text but also hash of DOM structure of the particular leafnode (it let's detect spellcheck weird behaviour and react to it)
[22:37:58] <Dantman>	  Multi-edit, multi-column, multi-view; I'm glad I got this editor.
[22:38:46] <sumanah>	 nischayn22: yeah, it sounds like you should talk with Chad Horohoe and John Du Hart.
[22:39:07] <sumanah>	 http://toolserver.org/~krinkle/wikimedia-svn-users.php and https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Developers are useful directories, nischayn22 
[22:41:36] <codurr>	 03aaron * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112366> 10/branches/wmf/1.19wmf1/includes/specials/SpecialContributions.php: (bug 34659) Preserved Special:Contribs/newbies for now, at least in 1.19wmf deployment
[22:45:20] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Logs corrupt or have big delays - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34653  +comment (10arichards)
[22:47:45] <hashar>	 sumanah: just noticed your mail about git / gerrit training
[22:48:09] <sumanah>	 hashar: yes
[22:48:15] <hashar>	 the last slot on monday is our MediaWiki weekly conf call
[22:48:25] <sumanah>	 then I guess you'll do Tuesday
[22:51:00] <sumanah>	 hashar: http://bit.ly/y9CFuW is the time for Tuesday
[22:52:09] * jeblad  got a troublem

[22:53:02] <codurr>	 New code comment: Nikerabbit; Messages are not in the alias files :); <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111791#c31451>
[22:53:02] <jeblad>	 I have a bin program (its gpl but they forgot to post the code!)
[22:53:14] <hashar>	 sumanah: 10pm sounds good
[22:53:42] <hashar>	 sumanah: so the idea is to host a google hangout with screen sharing and then show the magic git ? :D
[22:53:44] <sumanah>	 yes
[22:53:50] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) [patch] LIKE queries with spaces in search term broken for Page properties in SMW 1.6+ - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34665  -need-review -patch ; +comment (10Jeroen De Dauw)
[22:54:02] <hashar>	 I guess my french accent is going to make that a lot of fun ;-)
[22:54:03] <jeblad>	 I suspect the bin program to be a quite complex byte-code tingy that might run an interpreter
[22:54:29] <sumanah>	 hashar: you don't have to turn video or voice on if you don't want to
[22:54:33] <hashar>	 sumanah: will work on that tomorrow while amending the gitwWorkflow article
[22:54:53] <hashar>	 I am fine having others listening to myself
[22:55:04] <jeblad>	 I want to run that bin-tingy as an extension, bur amputate any possibility that it might do anything wrong
[22:55:04] <sumanah>	 hashar: today I will try to finish adding stuff to that page from what I learned Wednesday & today in the test passes
[22:55:11] <hashar>	 since I am not the one listening the english soup being served
[22:55:22] <jeblad>	 any good ideas how I can do that? 
[22:56:04] <jeblad>	 I think it might be done with seccode, but I've heard its on its way out of Linux
[22:57:43] <hashar>	 sumanah: great. I will make some additions saturday and I guess we can talk about it again monday
[22:59:03] <sumanah>	 sounds good, hashar 
[23:03:29] <hashar>	 and so I am heading to bed :)
[23:03:32] <hashar>	 have fun everyone
[23:03:50] <vvv>	 What's git migration final day?
[23:04:10] <sumanah>	 vvv: 
[23:04:17] <sumanah>	 vvv: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Git/Conversion
[23:04:26] <sumanah>	 Git migration -- core & extensions [scheduled for first weekend in March] 
[23:04:30] <vvv>	 Oh
[23:04:33] <vvv>	 Great
[23:04:40] <sumanah>	 vvv: https://blog.wikimedia.org/2012/02/15/wikimedia-engineering-moving-from-subversion-to-git/
[23:04:46] <vvv>	 Simultaneous to Russian presidential elections
[23:04:49] <vvv>	 That's symbolic
[23:04:57] <sumanah>	 vvv: we've been emailing wikitech-l and blogging and so on
[23:05:36] <sumanah>	 Reedy: can you let me change the /topic, please?
[23:06:25] <sumanah>	 thx vvv
[23:06:31] <sumanah>	 added to /topic for all the good that does.
[23:06:51] <vvv>	 sumanah: why don't you have op on this channel?
[23:07:19] <codurr>	 03jeroendedauw * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112367> 10/trunk/extensions/EducationProgram/ (3 files in 3 dirs): handle deletion request for non-existing orgs and courses
[23:08:11] <sumanah>	 vvv: no one ever gave  it to me? or it didn't stick? I don't know
[23:08:25] <sumanah>	 vvv:  so, I'm updating https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Git/Workflow
[23:08:36] <sumanah>	 vvv: do you have a Labsconsole account? 
[23:08:39] <vvv>	 You should ask Brion or Tim
[23:08:41] <vvv>	 sumanah: yes
[23:09:00] <sumanah>	 vvv: good, then you're set to try playing with Gerrit.
[23:09:47] <sumanah>	 ^demon|away: how is https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Git/Conversion#February_2012 ?  and are there any tasks where, as Rob asked, we need to make a bug and assign it to someone, like Aaron?
[23:10:20] <^demon|away>	 Most of them should have bugs filed already.
[23:10:36] <^demon|away>	 I would love it if Aaron could take bug 34138 off my plate.
[23:11:04] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Some corrupt thumbs remain from initial Swift deploy - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34695  +comment (10bhartshorne)
[23:11:55] <sumanah>	 !b 34138
[23:11:56] <mw-bot>	 https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=34138
[23:11:58] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Triage the "Gerrit bugs that matter" list on labs wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34349  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[23:13:04] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Stage source tree on fenari with git instead of svn - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34138  normal->04BLOCKER; +comment (10Sumana Harihareswara)
[23:13:28] <codurr>	 03krinkle * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112368> 10/trunk/phase3/tests/qunit/suites/resources/mediawiki/mediawiki.test.js:
[23:13:28] <codurr>	 [JSTesting] Add more mw.loader tests
[23:13:28] <codurr>	 * Follows-up r12279, r112281
[23:13:28] <codurr>	 * Follows-up r110988: Adds test for @import (currently failing: bug 34669)
[23:13:29] <codurr>	 * Adding StyleTest.css.php for making this easier and re-usable
[23:13:46] <sumanah>	 ^demon|away: which ones don't have bugs filed? It would suck for stuff to fall through the cracks.
[23:13:56] <Lcawte>	 Oh no, they're all ops :S
[23:14:04] <codurr>	 03krinkle * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112369> 10/trunk/phase3/tests/qunit/data/styleTest.css.php: [JSTesting] actually commit the file (follows-up r112368)
[23:14:52] <Krinkle>	 RoanKattouw_away: Can you do a sanity check on styleTest.css.php?
[23:14:59] <Krinkle>	 it's a pretty basic file, but just making sure
[23:15:24] <^demon|away>	 sumanah: I think looking at Feb/March, everything that needs a bug is already filed.
[23:15:35] <sumanah>	 Ryan_Lane: over the next week, I estimate we will be creating at least a dozen labsconsole accounts as we switch people to git. Probably more. Can you help make that process any more automated? Also can you move "bastion" to the top of https://labsconsole.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:NovaProject so I don't have to scroll?
[23:15:56] <Ryan_Lane>	 by default people shouldn't get access to bastion
[23:16:00] <Ryan_Lane>	 did you read the email I sent?
[23:16:15] <Ryan_Lane>	 they should only get access to bastion if they specifically request labs access
[23:16:19] <Krinkle>	 RoanKattouw_away: for basic stylesheet generation to be used in unit tests to check if a file is loaded properly e.g. .php?selector=.mw-test-foobar&prop=margin&val=24px
[23:16:44] <Ryan_Lane>	 sumanah: if they do not already have svn accounts, you can create them through the labsconsole interface, rather than the command line
[23:16:45] <sumanah>	 Ryan_Lane: which mail is this? I'm going by the "how to make a Labs member" guide on I think wikitech.wikimedia.org.....
[23:17:05] <sumanah>	 https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/view/OpenStack#Giving_users_Labs_access.2C_if_they_already_have_an_SVN_account
[23:17:31] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) yesterday/today/tomorrow in timel does not respect (local) timezone - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34699 normal; MediaWiki extensions: ParserFunctions; (umherirrender_de.wp)
[23:17:32] <codurr>	 New code comment: Krinkle; The <tt>styleTest.css.php</tt> file is for basic stylesheet generation to be used in unit tests to c; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112368#c31452>
[23:17:38] <Ryan_Lane>	 lemme find the email
[23:17:51] <Ryan_Lane>	 "Git and Labs access"
[23:19:07] <Ryan_Lane>	 sumanah: basically the only thing you need to do for them is run the add-labs-user script
[23:19:21] <Ryan_Lane>	 that'll let them have gerrit access
[23:19:36] <sumanah>	 ok Ryan_Lane please look at https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/view/OpenStack#Giving_users_Labs_access.2C_if_they_already_have_an_SVN_account and the section below, which I have just updated
[23:19:37] <RoanKattouw>	 ^demon|away: Oh BTW, will you need me on the day of the git migration (March 3rd)?
[23:19:46] <RoanKattouw>	 I was planning to move into my new apartment that day
[23:19:48] <^demon|away>	 Probably not.
[23:20:18] <Ryan_Lane>	 sumanah: the project list is by creation date
[23:20:18] <RoanKattouw>	 OK
[23:20:32] <Ryan_Lane>	 sumanah: I have a change upcoming that'll make the interface a lot easier to use
[23:20:42] <Ryan_Lane>	 it'll have a project filter that'll set a cookie
[23:20:52] <Ryan_Lane>	 so you'll always see the same set of projects
[23:21:00] <Ryan_Lane>	 and not all of them, like now
[23:21:07] <RoanKattouw>	 Krinkle: Looks good to me
[23:21:08] <sumanah>	 God, I hate that we use the word "project" for like 5 different things across Labs/Gerrit/etc
[23:21:14] <Ryan_Lane>	 we do?
[23:21:16] <sumanah>	 yes
[23:21:27] <Ryan_Lane>	 other than an actual nova project, what are we using that term for/
[23:22:00] <Ryan_Lane>	 I use gerrit repo as a term, not project
[23:22:12] <^demon|away>	 I've been calling gerrit repos projects.
[23:22:16] <Ryan_Lane>	 heh
[23:22:18] <sumanah>	 Ryan_Lane: look at https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#mine
[23:22:24] <sumanah>	 ID, Subject, Owner, Project
[23:22:33] <^demon|away>	 Ryan_Lane: That's what gerrit calls them :p
[23:22:34] <codurr>	 03krinkle * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112370> 10/trunk/phase3/resources/mediawiki/ (mediawiki.js mediawiki.util.js): (log message trimmed)
[23:22:34] <codurr>	 [mw.loader] Refactor addInlineCSS's logic, fixing various bugs
[23:22:34] <codurr>	 * Using mw.util.addCSS as base to instance of bug 33305 automatically
[23:22:35] <Ryan_Lane>	 oh. right
[23:22:35] <codurr>	 * Expose as mw.loader.addStyleTag
[23:22:36] <codurr>	 * Re-use the code in mw.util.addCSS
[23:22:37] <codurr>	 * Drop the "text > Cdata > element > jQuery object > innerHTML", in favor of setting cssText or appending a text node (html escapement isn't a problem when working with text nodes directly).
[23:22:38] <codurr>	 * Appending this way also works in IE, no need for the dispose/re-create style-tag logic in the try-catch().
[23:22:39] <Ryan_Lane>	 that is what gerrit calls them
[23:22:42] <sumanah>	 not to mention the colloquial use of the term ("what project are you working on?")
[23:22:58] <Ryan_Lane>	 project is an apt term for labs, though
[23:23:02] <Ryan_Lane>	 less so for gerrit
[23:23:10] <sumanah>	 and WikiProjects on en.wp
[23:23:17] <Ryan_Lane>	 we try to name labs projects based on real-world projects
[23:23:24] <^demon|away>	 Well we should be consistent with what gerrit calls them.
[23:23:28] <Ryan_Lane>	 indeed
[23:23:40] <sumanah>	 in that case, then, what will we call a repository and what will we call a project?
[23:23:48] <Ryan_Lane>	 call them both projects
[23:23:50] <^demon|away>	 Ryan_Lane: I wish gerrit had a MediaWiki namespace so you could rename crappy interface messages :p
[23:24:07] <Ryan_Lane>	 you can differentiate by specifying it "gerrit project", "labs project"
[23:24:17] <sumanah>	 Ryan_Lane: people can. People won't.
[23:24:28] <Ryan_Lane>	 I haven't been confused by the usage yet
[23:24:37] <vvv>	 Do I understand correctly that if I wanted to test some complex MediaWiki extension, now I could do it using a new labs project?
[23:24:41] <sumanah>	 yes
[23:24:44] <Ryan_Lane>	 vvv: yep
[23:24:51] <Ryan_Lane>	 you have an account already ;)
[23:24:59] <sumanah>	 Ryan_Lane: you have a complex internal jargon that others can sometimes penetrate :P
[23:25:01] <codurr>	 New code comment: Krinkle; r112370 fixes accountiong for bug 33305. It also improves IE performance by using appending there as; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110988#c31453>
[23:25:10] <Ryan_Lane>	 heh
[23:25:19] <^demon|away>	 Ryan_Lane: When you said you were fixing the project page, did you mean https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#admin,projects ?
[23:25:33] <Ryan_Lane>	 when did I say I was fixing a project page?
[23:25:48] <sumanah>	 5 min ago
[23:25:56] <Ryan_Lane>	 o.O
[23:25:58] <sumanah>	 "<Ryan_Lane> sumanah: I have a change upcoming that'll make the interface a lot easier to use <Ryan_Lane> it'll have a project filter that'll set a cookie <Ryan_Lane> so you'll always see the same set of projects"
[23:25:58] <Ryan_Lane>	 in which channel?
[23:26:01] <sumanah>	 here
[23:26:03] <Ryan_Lane>	 ah
[23:26:19] <Ryan_Lane>	 was talking about openstackmanager
[23:26:21] <sumanah>	 ^demon|away: he meant LABS projects, of course!
[23:26:26] <Ryan_Lane>	 :D
[23:26:27] <sumanah>	 clear as mud.
[23:26:31] * Ryan_Lane  shrugs

[23:26:36] <sumanah>	 of course you do
[23:26:52] <Ryan_Lane>	 well, if you're confused, just ask ;)
[23:26:54] <^demon|away>	 Engineers should not be allowed to name things.
[23:27:10] <Ryan_Lane>	 well, projects were likely a poor name in gerrit
[23:27:13] <sumanah>	 Ryan_Lane: Or we could just reduce confusion and asking by naming things well.
[23:27:15] <Ryan_Lane>	 it's obvious they are repositories
[23:27:42] <Ryan_Lane>	 a project in labs is supposed to be an actual, real world, project
[23:27:46] <Ryan_Lane>	 what else should we name them
[23:27:47] <Ryan_Lane>	 ?
[23:27:54] <^demon|away>	 I could see "rename projects to repositories" bug with gerrit getting closed WONTFIX.
[23:28:00] <sumanah>	 Ryan_Lane: yeah, your "Git and Labs access" email ended with "thoughts?" so if that's now The Policy you should probably send an update.
[23:28:17] <sumanah>	 Ryan_Lane: so what is Bastion? what realworld project is that?
[23:28:53] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Add support for KML/KMZ filetype - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/26059  +comment (10Daniel Schwen)
[23:28:55] <Ryan_Lane>	 there's always exceptions. that's an exception so that we can have a security separation
[23:29:20] <Ryan_Lane>	 mobile-sms is a real world project
[23:29:59] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Stage source tree on fenari with git instead of svn - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34138  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[23:30:03] <Ryan_Lane>	 hell, you picked one of the only ones that isn't a real-world project ;D
[23:30:25] <sumanah>	 Ryan_Lane: but it's the first one everyone will run into.
[23:30:29] <sumanah>	 So it's pretty visible.
[23:30:40] <sumanah>	 *shrug* as it were.
[23:30:42] <RoanKattouw>	 ^demon|away: Hmm, we'll also need to update the l10nupdate script. And I wanted to put wmf-config in a git repo at some point as well
[23:30:51] <Ryan_Lane>	 people see the instance. not so much the project, as they can't do anything in it
[23:30:54] <^demon|away>	 RoanKattouw: We can move wmf-config to git whenever.
[23:31:00] <^demon|away>	 Sooner the better imho.
[23:31:09] <RoanKattouw>	 KO
[23:31:16] <RoanKattouw>	 Would you like me to start working on that Right Now? :)
[23:31:19] <Ryan_Lane>	 it would be nice if we could modify the gerrit text for project to repository
[23:31:25] <Ryan_Lane>	 alas, it isn't possible
[23:31:33] <^demon|away>	 RoanKattouw: If you're feeling bold :)
[23:31:35] <sumanah>	 RoanKattouw: are those in some kind of checklist somewhere? what you just said? like https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Git/Conversion#February_2012 ?
[23:31:38] * RoanKattouw  feels bold

[23:31:47] <RoanKattouw>	 sumanah: Unfortunately not
[23:31:53] <sumanah>	 RoanKattouw: as long as you are feeling bold -- add 'em!
[23:31:56] <^demon|away>	 RoanKattouw: We just need a sane place to put it. Ryan_Lane, ideas?
[23:31:56] <RoanKattouw>	 Which is why I'm just gonna do both right now, starting with LU
[23:32:00] <sumanah>	 oh ok
[23:32:04] <Ryan_Lane>	 to put what?
[23:32:09] <^demon|away>	 wmf-config
[23:32:10] <RoanKattouw>	 Chad and Ryan can create a project for wmf-config in the meantime
[23:32:11] <Ryan_Lane>	 ah
[23:32:22] <^demon|away>	 I can make the project, just want it to have a good name.
[23:32:26] <RoanKattouw>	 Also, per IRL convo with Aaron we need to move shit like *.dblist and wikiversions.{dat,cdb} into wmf-config from common/
[23:32:27] <sumanah>	 RoanKattouw: what kind of project?  a  Labs project? a git/gerrit project? 
[23:32:30] <RoanKattouw>	 gerrit
[23:32:32] <^demon|away>	 I'm going to be a nazi about that until gerrit supports renaming.
[23:32:37] * sumanah  may be a pain in the butt for the next 4 min or so

[23:32:40] <codurr>	 03krinkle * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112371> 10/trunk/phase3/resources/mediawiki/mediawiki.js:
[23:32:40] <codurr>	 [mw.loader] Remove 'media' type support in addInlineCSS
[23:32:40] <codurr>	 * This was never used in practice because the server only gives css text strings
[23:32:41] <codurr>	 for media type "" or "all". Because server side concatenates everything together
[23:32:42] <codurr>	 during pre-processing and e.g. print-stylesheet parts of it are wrapped in
[23:32:43] <codurr>	 @media print {}
[23:32:44] <codurr>	 * Follows-up r110988
[23:33:03] <RoanKattouw>	 sumanah: I would NEVER be annoyed at anyone for being pedantic, that would be very hypocritical of me ;)
[23:33:03] <Ryan_Lane>	 sumanah: it's bikeshedding. when people are confused, they'll ask for clarification
[23:33:16] <Ryan_Lane>	 there's nothing we can reasonably do about it
[23:33:18] <sumanah>	 Ryan_Lane: or they';ll just give up or do the wrong thing.
[23:33:27] <sumanah>	 Ryan_Lane: you're too dismissive.
[23:33:31] <codurr>	 New code comment: Krinkle; r112371 takes care of the media attribute. This leaves us with @import ..; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110988#c31454>
[23:33:34] <Ryan_Lane>	 well, offer a solution
[23:33:37] <sumanah>	 I'm trying to.
[23:33:40] <Ryan_Lane>	 which is?
[23:33:57] <sumanah>	 Is it reasonable to call Bastion something other than a "project"?
[23:34:03] <Ryan_Lane>	 no
[23:34:10] <Ryan_Lane>	 we can't rename project in labs
[23:34:13] <sumanah>	 Is it reasonable to, in our documentation, make sure that we always specify "labs project" or "gerrit project"?
[23:34:18] <Ryan_Lane>	 yes
[23:34:22] <Ryan_Lane>	 which is what I suggested
[23:34:23] <sumanah>	 ok. Will you help me?
[23:34:37] <Ryan_Lane>	 whenever I see it used generically, I'll fix it
[23:34:44] <sumanah>	 Do a search-and-replace in labsconsole before Monday?
[23:34:54] <sumanah>	 Because Monday is when my gerrit trainings are really gonna start.
[23:34:57] <sumanah>	 Monday 2pm PT
[23:35:16] <Ryan_Lane>	 you don't mean in the interface too, right?
[23:35:19] <sumanah>	 And will you, in your public-facing emails & IRC chat, say "Labs project" where previously you'd said "Project"
[23:35:20] <sumanah>	 why not?
[23:35:46] <Ryan_Lane>	 it's a little redundant
[23:35:51] <sumanah>	 Nope
[23:36:03] <Ryan_Lane>	 if you are in labs, using the labs interface, it should be fairly obvious that you are dealing with a labs project
[23:36:06] <RoanKattouw>	 I see Ryan's point, if you're /on/ labsconsole, you're in that scope
[23:36:07] <sumanah>	 A little, maybe
[23:36:18] <sumanah>	 you could just try it and see how it goes
[23:36:27] <sumanah>	 we can always switch it back later if the redundancy is really bothersome
[23:36:27] <Ryan_Lane>	 it's a decent amount of effort
[23:36:31] <sumanah>	 ah
[23:36:35] <sumanah>	 not just a string somewhere?
[23:36:42] <codurr>	 03awjrichards * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112372> 10/branches/wmf/1.19wmf1/includes/api/ApiQueryLogEvents.php: (log message trimmed)
[23:36:42] <codurr>	 Attempting to address bug 34653; It seems ApiQueryLogEvents has not kept up with
[23:36:42] <codurr>	 changes to the Logging classes. I've changed some aspects of the
[23:36:42] <codurr>	 ApiQueryLogEvents to use a DatabaseLogEntry object when extracting log row
[23:36:43] <codurr>	 information and updated addLogParams to use this new scheme for handling
[23:36:44] <Ryan_Lane>	 it's a *lot* of strings
[23:36:44] <codurr>	 parameters. I have not been able to sufficiently test this and I am still
[23:36:45] <codurr>	 concerned about backwards compatibility with old parameter formats for older log
[23:36:48] <Ryan_Lane>	 in a lot of places
[23:36:51] <sumanah>	 understood
[23:37:05] <Ryan_Lane>	 then I have to manually review them
[23:37:30] <Ryan_Lane>	 I also have a bunch of uncommitted changes, and I'd be causing myself a merging nightmare later
[23:37:34] <^demon|away>	 RoanKattouw: It's not really mediawiki/ but ma rk keeps yelling at me for polluting operations/ :p
[23:37:40] <Ryan_Lane>	 *in my repo, not live
[23:37:52] <Ryan_Lane>	 heh
[23:37:56] <sumanah>	 ok. And on the git/gerrit training side, it sounds like someone knowledgable should go through all the https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Git subpages + the Gerrit pages on labsconsole + wikitech. and ensure the usage of repo vs project is consistent and not misleading, and that we say "Gerrit project" throughout
[23:37:57] <Ryan_Lane>	 let me fix that
[23:37:57] <codurr>	 03awjrichards * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112373> 10/branches/wmf/1.19wmf1/includes/api/ApiQueryLogEvents.php: Revert r112372, should have made the change in trunk rather than in the wmf branch
[23:38:02] <RoanKattouw>	 OK, in exchange for doing this right now, I am going to make Ryan review my outstanding commits
[23:38:08] <Ryan_Lane>	 sumanah: indeed
[23:38:12] <Ryan_Lane>	 that's reasonable
[23:38:18] <Ryan_Lane>	 :D
[23:38:21] <sumanah>	 Ryan_Lane: when I say "someone knowledgable" then that would be someone like you, RoanKattouw, or Chad
[23:38:28] <Ryan_Lane>	 I know
[23:38:31] <sumanah>	 ok
[23:38:33] <Ryan_Lane>	 sumanah: oh. I wanted to ask you something :D
[23:38:34] <RoanKattouw>	 OK maybe not the one that says DO NOT MERGE :d
[23:38:48] <sumanah>	 I'm trying to learn up but my own accidental ambiguation may be at fault here
[23:39:13] <Ryan_Lane>	 sumanah: would you be interested in occupying a table at the openstack conference/
[23:39:21] <RoanKattouw>	 sumanah: I've wanted to read all of those for a longer time, yeah. All three of us should probably read them
[23:39:21] <sumanah>	 Ryan_Lane: OCCUPY OPENSTACK
[23:39:22] <Ryan_Lane>	 others will, of course, help
[23:39:24] <sumanah>	 (reflex, sorry)
[23:39:26] <Ryan_Lane>	 :)
[23:39:33] <sumanah>	 Ryan_Lane: date, time, place? 
[23:39:42] <sumanah>	 I still need to get back to Percona!
[23:39:47] <codurr>	 03awjrichards * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112374> 10/trunk/phase3/includes/api/ApiQueryLogEvents.php: (log message trimmed)
[23:39:47] <codurr>	 Attempting to address bug 34653; It seems ApiQueryLogEvents has not kept up with
[23:39:47] <codurr>	 changes to the Logging classes. I've changed some aspects of the
[23:39:48] <codurr>	 ApiQueryLogEvents to use a DatabaseLogEntry object when extracting log row
[23:39:49] <codurr>	 information and updated addLogParams to use this new scheme for handling
[23:39:50] <codurr>	 parameters. I have not been able to sufficiently test this and I am still
[23:39:51] <codurr>	 concerned about backwards compatibility with old parameter formats for older log
[23:40:00] <Ryan_Lane>	 sumanah:  April 16-20, SF
[23:40:21] <sumanah>	 Percona MySQL conf is April 10th-12th, 2012, Santa Clara.
[23:40:35] <^demon|away>	 sumanah: https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Git%2FWorkflow&diff=503642&oldid=503606
[23:40:37] <sumanah>	 Well, it's not unimaginable that I would want/need to be in the Bay Area around then anyway, for such things
[23:40:44] * Ryan_Lane  nods

[23:40:52] <Ryan_Lane>	 it's also a great outreach opportunity for us
[23:41:01] <sumanah>	 Ryan_Lane: can I bounce you to Karen Chelini?
[23:41:07] <Ryan_Lane>	 I get a ton of offers for help, but I'm *really* bad at following up
[23:41:12] <Ryan_Lane>	 you're much better at that :)
[23:41:16] <Ryan_Lane>	 who's that?
[23:41:20] <sumanah>	 Our recruiter.
[23:41:30] <Ryan_Lane>	 ah
[23:41:36] <sumanah>	 kchelini@wikimedia .
[23:41:38] <Ryan_Lane>	 well, I'd really like to get volunteers too
[23:41:40] <sumanah>	 Sure
[23:41:49] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Logs corrupt or have big delays - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34653  +comment (10arichards)
[23:42:01] <^demon|away>	 sumanah: Also updated /Conversion
[23:42:02] <Ryan_Lane>	 I think either way we'll end up taking the table
[23:42:12] <sumanah>	 Thanks for the kind words about followup :-)   Yeah. How about you arrange with Karen to start
[23:42:18] <Ryan_Lane>	 ok
[23:42:21] <sumanah>	 and we'll see who can come in on the volunteer-outreach side
[23:42:25] <Ryan_Lane>	 sounds good
[23:42:34] <sumanah>	 maybe me, maybe Alolita or Ian or someone
[23:42:38] <sumanah>	 or Ben!
[23:42:54] <sumanah>	 thanks for the fixes, Chad
[23:42:57] <^demon|away>	 yw
[23:43:05] <Ryan_Lane>	 well, ben, like myself and andrew bogott would likely not be able to be at the table a lot of the time
[23:43:15] <sumanah>	 oh. right. shifts maybe?
[23:43:30] <Ryan_Lane>	 that's likely best, but someone who is likely to be there most of the time would be good :)
[23:43:34] <sumanah>	 also, Ryan_Lane will you be giving any talks?
[23:43:41] <Ryan_Lane>	 I didn't submit this time
[23:43:47] <Ryan_Lane>	 well, I didn't last couple times either
[23:43:51] <sumanah>	 Well, Karen can help with the constant-presence-at-the-table
[23:44:00] <Ryan_Lane>	 it's possible they'll ask me to moderate or talk
[23:44:17] <^demon|away>	 RoanKattouw: I'm going to get dinner soon, got a name for me?
[23:44:35] * Ryan_Lane  nods

[23:45:12] <RoanKattouw>	 wmf-config ? :)
[23:45:22] <Ryan_Lane>	 ah. right. what to name that?
[23:45:32] <RoanKattouw>	 Ryan_Lane: Could you, if nothing else, review https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#change,2709 ? It touches the same file that I need to modify
[23:45:34] <Ryan_Lane>	 does it need to be public? private?
[23:45:35] <sumanah>	 Ryan, if I think of any other things that would help with the "project" disambiguation I'll offer them.
[23:45:36] <codurr>	 03jeroendedauw * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112375> 10/trunk/extensions/EducationProgram/actions/EPDeleteAction.php: work on deletion page
[23:45:38] <RoanKattouw>	 public
[23:45:44] <Ryan_Lane>	 sumanah: cool. thanls.
[23:45:46] <Ryan_Lane>	 *thanks
[23:45:46] <RoanKattouw>	 I'll rip out the private stuff, it's already in a separate anyway
[23:45:53] <Ryan_Lane>	 ok
[23:45:55] <sumanah>	 Sure, thanks. Meeting time
[23:46:07] <Krenair>	 http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/ErsteSeite wat...
[23:47:25] <^demon|away>	 Ryan_Lane, RoanKattouw: Well presumably it won't be top level, what namespace should it go in?
[23:47:31] <RoanKattouw>	 *separate file
[23:47:36] <^demon|away>	 Doesn't make sense for mediawiki/ imo.
[23:48:24] <RoanKattouw>	 It's a WMF thing
[23:48:29] <RoanKattouw>	 So it's operations/ or wikimedia/ or sometnhig
[23:48:56] <^demon|away>	 I think operations/ makes the most sense.
[23:49:07] <^demon|away>	 We don't have anything else in wikimedia/ yet
[23:49:16] <RoanKattouw>	 Yeah I think that makes sense
[23:49:27] <^demon|away>	 operations/wmf-config.git?
[23:49:37] <johnduhart>	 oh god. For this internship I'd have to write an asset management system using this thing called RhoElements. Holy shit this is horrible.
[23:49:41] <^demon|away>	 Or mw-config, so it's clear it's mediawiki?
[23:50:10] <AaronSchulz>	 or wmf-mw-config ;)
[23:51:18] <johnduhart>	 Krinkle: This is how they define callbacks http://i.imgur.com/7PfOy.png
[23:51:36] <johnduhart>	 nischayn22: hi
[23:51:58] <nischayn22>	 johnduhart: hi
[23:52:08] <nischayn22>	 so do you suggest an extension?
[23:52:09] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Special:Contributions/Newbies lists contributions by user "Newbies" instead of new account edits - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34659  +comment (10aschulz4587)
[23:53:12] <johnduhart>	 nischayn22: I suggest you work on the patch to the installer first, then the extension for managing the logo post-install
[23:53:38] <^demon|away>	 Configuring the logo at installation time was on my todo list.
[23:53:41] <^demon|away>	 Never got around to it
[23:54:05] <^demon|away>	 Wanted to have some kind of preview after you specified the file.
[23:54:10] <johnduhart>	 I have to go to work to get some hardware, brb
[23:54:44] <^demon|away>	 RoanKattouw: Ok, enough bikeshedding. Spit out a name :p
[23:55:11] <nischayn22>	 ^demon : so do you also think it will be worth an extension?
[23:55:32] <^demon|away>	 I think it should be done in the installer, don't need an extension for this.
[23:55:44] <nischayn22>	 and how does wikimedia manage the size of the logos?
[23:56:04] <^demon|away>	 The logo resolution is hardcoded iirc.
[23:56:19] <Dantman>	 ^demon|away: You liked evil, right? http://i.imgur.com/OmtFH.png -> Template:Asdf http://p.defau.lt/?LjHzWTxERAEgxum4UsZR4g
[23:56:41] <nischayn22>	 johnduhart suggests that an extension will be good for post iinstall configurations
[23:57:02] <^demon|away>	 Well we're going to be redoing configuration management this summer.
[23:57:15] <^demon|away>	 I'd rather not see another extension attempt it before we've done that :)
[23:57:50] <^demon|away>	 johnduhart: I can't believe it slipped my mind when you asked earlier. Config mgmt is tentatively my next project after git migration.
[23:58:53] <nischayn22>	 are you a contributor or an do you work at mediawiki?
[23:59:00] <Dantman>	 nischayn22, ^demon|away: Actually to be specific there is no logo resolution. We just add the full image and hopt it fits into what MW has available
[23:59:17] <^demon|away>	 Dantman: Right, the box it's in is fixed size. The logo just hopefully fits :)
[23:59:32] <p858snake|l>	 ^demon|away: it's hardcoded into the skins iirc, we just made sure vector matched monobook
[23:59:40] <^demon|away>	 nischayn22: I'm a contractor at the WMF, and I've been contributing to MediaWiki for some time before that.
[23:59:41] <nischayn22>	 Dantman: thats not the correct way..it should be better
[23:59:59] <Dantman>	 ^_^ Well, that's just the way it is.