[00:00:01] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) need help with exstension:TEST - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34996  (10jdk370)
[00:00:31] <codurr>	 03awjrichards * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/113202> 10/trunk/extensions/MobileFrontend/MobileFrontend.body.php: Mild cleanup of beforePageRedirect() combining cases for Special:Randompage and Special:Search and added early return if we should not be displaying the mobile view. Also added some explanation to method comments.
[00:03:37] <pokeswap>	 what is $user
[00:04:31] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) [Regression] Exception thrown by mediawiki.action.edit: Cannot read property 'imageFile' of undefined - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34920  +comment (10krinklemail)
[00:04:45] <Krinkle>	 RoanKattouw: Do you know anything about special characters causing RL to freak out?
[00:04:59] <Krinkle>	 https://ml.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%B4%AE%E0%B5%80%E0%B4%A1%E0%B4%BF%E0%B4%AF%E0%B4%B5%E0%B4%BF%E0%B4%95%E0%B5%8D%E0%B4%95%E0%B4%BF:Common.js Look for "mwCustomEditButtons"
[00:05:14] <Krinkle>	 Some of the objects added to mwCustomEditButtons are fine, others end up being 'undefined'
[00:05:23] <pokeswap>	 what is $user
[00:05:27] <Krinkle>	 (mwCustomEditButtons in the console will tell you, and it's weeeeird)
[00:05:34] <RoanKattouw>	 pokeswap: In what context?
[00:06:10] <pokeswap>	 PHP
[00:06:26] <RoanKattouw>	 pokeswap: OK, well, in what file, in what function?
[00:06:43] <codurr>	 03brion * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/113203> 10/trunk/extensions/Math/modules/ext.math.mathjax.enabler.js:
[00:06:43] <codurr>	 fix for MathJax zoom setting: should be 'Click' not 'click'
[00:06:43] <codurr>	 [per feedback on mathjax-users list]
[00:07:05] <RoanKattouw>	 Krinkle: What am I seeing? It seems to be sparse, which is sort of strange. Anything else wrong?
[00:07:14] <pokeswap>	 i just saw it in a PHP file in mediawiki
[00:07:29] <RoanKattouw>	 pokeswap: Most likely it's a User object (an instance of the User class)
[00:07:31] <Krinkle>	 RoanKattouw: You see the mwCustomEditButtons[mwCustomEditButtons.length] = { lines, right ?
[00:07:34] <RoanKattouw>	 Aye
[00:07:55] <Krinkle>	 RoanKattouw: The one of Button_gallery is, as expected at [5] in the array (or [4], don't remember)
[00:08:03] <pokeswap>	 also, am i allowed under the lisence to take the chat and acheivements from wikia as long as i have it say made by medfiawiki?
[00:08:09] <pokeswap>	 *wikia
[00:08:17] <Krinkle>	 RoanKattouw: but the next one becomes undefined, and the next one after that is fine again
[00:08:23] <RoanKattouw>	 pokeswap: Do you mean content that was put into a wiki? Like, not code?
[00:08:35] <pokeswap>	 code
[00:09:00] <RoanKattouw>	 Depends what license it's under
[00:09:10] <RoanKattouw>	 Figure out what license it's under, then look up what its terms are
[00:09:31] <RoanKattouw>	 Krinkle: Why are the first four undefined then?
[00:09:36] <Krinkle>	 RoanKattouw: Good question
[00:09:41] <Krinkle>	 the order is also different
[00:09:44] <pokeswap>	 is the code under the same as the content?
[00:09:49] <Krinkle>	 RoanKattouw: ah. scroll further to function lija_rearrange()
[00:09:53] <Krinkle>	 that looks bad
[00:10:15] <RoanKattouw>	 heh
[00:12:44] <wikibugs>	 14(INVALID) [Regression] Exception thrown by mediawiki.action.edit: Cannot read property 'imageFile' of undefined - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34920  +comment (10Krinkle)
[00:12:46] <Krinkle>	 hexmode: You asked earlier for the gadget portal
[00:13:01] <RoanKattouw>	 Krinkle: You said something about <style> earlier?
[00:13:08] <hexmode>	 Krinkle: right
[00:13:27] <Krinkle>	 hexmode: I don't think there is, but I did create a central place for questions about issues with user scripts, site scripts and gadgets. which is mw:RL/MGU and it's talk page
[00:13:37] <Krinkle>	 perhaps create a scripting portal instead (not Gadget specific)
[00:13:42] <pokeswap>	 is the code under the same as the content?
[00:13:43] <Krinkle>	 RoanKattouw: Yes
[00:13:58] <Krinkle>	 RoanKattouw: We need to fix the @import issue or get rid of that <style> append code 
[00:14:19] <Locos_epraix>	 Hey
[00:14:34] <Locos_epraix>	 guys
[00:14:36] <Locos_epraix>	 How do I call a function when clicking a button
[00:14:38] <Locos_epraix>	 added to the toolbar using mwCustomEditButtons?
[00:15:15] <Krinkle>	 Locos_epraix: No, that's for adding buttons to the old toolbar
[00:15:23] <Locos_epraix>	 I know
[00:15:35] <Krinkle>	 Locos_epraix: Assuming you're using Vector/WikiEditor, use (/me looks up)
[00:15:47] <Locos_epraix>	 I'm creating a toolbar, with compatibility for both
[00:16:01] <Krinkle>	 you're creating a toolbar?
[00:16:20] <Krinkle>	 $('#wpTextbox1').wikiEditor('addToToolbar', optionsObject);
[00:16:31] <Krinkle>	 Locos_epraix: here is an example: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Krinkle/Scripts/insertVectorButtons.js
[00:17:17] <Locos_epraix>	 It won't work when mw.user.options.get('usebetatoolbar') == false
[00:17:41] <Krinkle>	 You call it only if ( typeof $.fn.wikiEditor != 'undefined'
[00:17:46] <codurr>	 03catrope * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/113204> 10/trunk/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5/api/ApiViewActivityArticleFeedbackv5.php: Add log_namespace condition to complement the log_title condition
[00:18:10] <Krinkle>	 No need to check user preferences directly. if the module is loaded, it means the toolbar is there
[00:18:32] <Krinkle>	 Locos_epraix: But what do you mean with compatibility for both?
[00:18:36] <codurr>	 New code comment: Fabrice Florin; Thanks, Amire80. I am afraid we will not be able to act on your request in this release. The term 'o; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/113076#c31906>
[00:18:42] <Krinkle>	 Locos_epraix: Compatibility in what way?
[00:18:54] <Locos_epraix>	 to the old toolbar
[00:19:09] <Krinkle>	 Locos_epraix: Would it replace the WikiEditor ? Is this for a private wiki or a wikimedia wiki ?
[00:20:10] <Locos_epraix>	 Krinkle, I'm using your wrapper
[00:20:17] <Locos_epraix>	 It's for eswiki
[00:20:52] <Krinkle>	 Locos_epraix: There is a difference between "I'm building a new toolbar instead of WikiEditor and want buttons added by scripts to the wikieditor or the old editor to be added to my toolbar instead"
[00:21:06] <Krinkle>	 or "I want a callback function when a user clicks a button in the WikiEditor"
[00:21:34] <Locos_epraix>	 Sorry for the misunderstanding, I'm not english native :)
[00:21:43] <Krinkle>	 No problem :)
[00:21:58] <Krinkle>	 Which of those two are you asking ?  Or something else?
[00:23:47] <Locos_epraix>	 Well, the tool needs to have compatibility for the old way of adding buttons
[00:23:49] <Locos_epraix>	 There are people using monobook and with the wikiEditor deactivated
[00:23:54] <Locos_epraix>	 http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usuario:Locos_epraix/botonera.js
[00:25:33] <Locos_epraix>	 I wrote a wrapper function (agregarBoton) that choose which method to use
[00:29:12] <Krenair>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Daniella_Rubinovitz There seems to be multiple issues here, one being that it belongs on enwiki.
[00:29:47] <pokeswap>	 what is the freenode channel for the CC-BY-SA
[00:30:31] <Reedy>	 #cc
[00:30:37] <pokeswap>	 thx
[00:33:13] <kajo_>	 Hi. I have gotten myself in a pickle, but I have just gotten over a major hurdle--now I need help with a mediawiki problem, I think? I had hosted a mediawiki install on an ubuntu instance via AWS. I lost the keys to that server, however, and so couldn't connect to it anymore (computer stolen). So, I took the root drive, and mounted it onto a new instance, which I've just done. Success! I can see  the install and everything! However, 
[00:33:13] <kajo_>	 typing in the IP of the new server doesn't bring up a website (I expected this). How do I make this work? I presume copy/pasting everything over won't work... Should I do a new install, and then just copy internal files? Do I need to reinstall all the required programs on the new server instance again? What's the best way to do this? Thanks so much....
[00:33:53] <Aaron|laptop>	 TimStarling: x2003 :)
[00:34:34] <kajo_>	 it's a 1.16.5 install that I want to upgrade to 1.18.1, btw. Don't know if that adds a step or not.
[00:34:58] <Joan>	 kajo_: What does typing in the IP bring up?
[00:34:58] <Reedy>	 kajo_: it'd be saner installing web server, php, database stuff, and copy files across
[00:35:02] <Joan>	 It sounds lik eyou don't hvae a web server running.
[00:35:07] <Joan>	 like
[00:35:13] <Reedy>	 Just mounting the drive will only give you access to th files
[00:35:13] <Joan>	 I hate typing.
[00:35:33] <kajo_>	 exactly
[00:35:36] <kajo_>	 right
[00:35:49] <Joan>	 Are you going to host the site where you mounted the drive?
[00:35:59] <kajo_>	 Can I do that?
[00:36:06] <Reedy>	 You could
[00:36:08] <Reedy>	 Sounds hacky
[00:36:08] <Joan>	 You can host a site anywhere.
[00:36:13] <kajo_>	 That would make it pretty straightforward, right?
[00:36:15] <Joan>	 But if it's on a laptop or something, it'll be down a lot.
[00:36:23] <kajo_>	 It's hosted on Amazon AWS
[00:36:27] <Joan>	 Ah.
[00:37:01] <Joan>	 I don't know too much about AWS. Is it just storage or do you also have hosting?
[00:37:06] <kajo_>	 I've only ever set this up once before--that was the former install I just broke in getting access--and that was month ago, so I've forgotten a lot. It's a pretty straightforward process, i just don't have the knowledge altogether.
[00:37:22] <Joan>	 Basically you need to install and/or setup a web server (such as Apache).
[00:37:23] <kajo_>	 Well, I have a server I can SSH into, and it does have memory.
[00:37:27] <Joan>	 Okay.
[00:37:33] <kajo_>	 I had that set up formerly, and it should be set up on the mounted drive
[00:37:46] <kajo_>	 just... broken now, I guess.
[00:37:49] <Joan>	 Once you have a web server set up, you'll get an "It works!" or equivalent page when you access your site.
[00:37:59] <Joan>	 Then you can move on to step two.
[00:38:01] <kajo_>	 Well, it was completely set up, so I was past "it works".
[00:38:01] <codurr>	 03catrope * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/113205> 10/trunk/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5/sql/ArticleFeedbackv5.sql: Followup r113062: this index needs af_page_id at the start too, hadn't realized that until just now
[00:38:04] <kajo_>	 ok
[00:38:22] <Joan>	 The past is irrelevant. :-)
[00:38:35] <kajo_>	 So you are saying set up an apache web server on the main drive, then have it point to the mounted drive?
[00:39:04] <Joan>	 Set up the Web server on whatever drive is going to be around and stable for an extended period of time.
[00:39:09] <Joan>	 I don't know your specifics.
[00:39:17] <kajo_>	 Both drives will be
[00:39:40] <Joan>	 Then it probably doesn't matter which you pick?
[00:39:54] <Locos_epraix>	 Krinkle, I'll simply deactivate buttons with functions when using the old toolbar
[00:40:07] <kajo_>	 I wouldn't know; does it make a difference whether I set it up on the root drive or the secondary?
[00:40:38] <kajo_>	 Do the programs I installed on the old drive need to also be install on the new main drive?
[00:40:45] <JRWR>	 I wanted to know if there existed a method (Google has failed me so far) to allow file types that are allowed to be uploaded to be defined by groups? like sysops could upload anything, normal users could upload ogg,mp3,etc,etc and anon could only upload images
[00:40:46] <Krinkle>	 Locos_epraix: Hm..
[00:40:53] <Krinkle>	 Locos_epraix: Sounds great
[00:41:13] <Krinkle>	 Locos_epraix: So how do you add buttons to the old toolbar currently? What method are you using ? Can you show me the script?
[00:41:23] <Joan>	 kajo_: Dunno, sorry. You're pretty far outside the bounds of #mediawiki help, though. :-)
[00:41:33] <Locos_epraix>	 Krinkle: it's here http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usuario:Locos_epraix/botonera.js
[00:41:49] <JRWR>	 Im thinking a localuser hack might work, but I have no clue where to start (I tried diggin in the docs for help, but its rats nest in there)
[00:41:50] <Joan>	 Not that you can't ask here, I'm just not sure you'll have great resutls.
[00:41:51] <Joan>	 results
[00:42:24] <kajo_>	 Reedy, how difficult/messy would the copy process be? I only had a few pages on my old wiki, if that makes a difference. If it's a pretty clean process, what are the files I should copy? 
[00:42:41] <kajo_>	 Joan,  haha, thanks.
[00:42:54] <Joan>	 Wiki page text isn't in the filesystem, really.
[00:43:00] <Joan>	 It's stored in the database (usually MySQL).
[00:43:01] <Locos_epraix>	 Krinkle krInsertWikiEditorButton: that's your function
[00:43:03] <Locos_epraix>	 mwCustomEditButtonsWrapper it's a wrapper around mwCustomEditButtons
[00:43:05] <Joan>	 So you need to move that.
[00:43:05] <Locos_epraix>	 and agregarBoton which choose which method to use
[00:43:07] <Joan>	 Or dump it.
[00:43:19] <Krinkle>	 Locos_epraix:         var $tb = $('#wpTextbox1'),  <!-- that might not work when called before document-ready
[00:43:26] <Krinkle>	 that should be done from a $(document).ready( .. )
[00:43:33] <Krinkle>	 because then that element doesn't exist yet
[00:43:43] <Krinkle>	 Right now it works fine because your script is loaded after the document is ready
[00:43:44] <kajo_>	 Joan, right, can I do that? I've never messed with the database, just followed the instructions and set it up. Can I just do a switcheroo and replace the one I'll get from a new install with the old one?
[00:43:59] <Joan>	 Sounds painful.
[00:44:09] <kajo_>	 Even if it was the old 1.16.5 on a new 1.18.1? Or do I need to install 1.16.5, switch it, and then update?
[00:44:35] <kajo_>	 Is there some kind of cleaner import option?
[00:44:53] <Joan>	 !movewiki
[00:44:53] <mw-bot>	 For help about moving pages, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Moving_a_page>. For help about moving wikis, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Moving_a_wiki>.
[00:44:58] <kajo_>	 thanks!
[00:44:58] <Joan>	 You can try the second link.
[00:45:19] <Krinkle>	 Locos_epraix: Aha
[00:45:21] <Joan>	 But recovery jobs are tedious and complicated.
[00:45:36] <Locos_epraix>	 Krinkle, I'll fix that
[00:45:37] <Joan>	 And it sounds like you're a bit new to this.
[00:45:44] <Krinkle>	 Locos_epraix: Okay, looks nice
[00:45:57] <Krinkle>	 Locos_epraix: one thing though, using mwCustomEditButtons might not work. It's a global array
[00:46:04] <Krinkle>	 and you can't be sure when the old toolbar looks at that array
[00:46:05] <Reedy>	 You can copy database physical files.... But it's not really reccommended, especially if there are bettter options
[00:46:14] <Krinkle>	 if it's too late, the new array items will be ignored
[00:46:41] <Krinkle>	 Locos_epraix: Use mw.toolbar.addButton instead
[00:46:53] <Krinkle>	 Locos_epraix: that's for the old toolbar, and adds the button in a stable way
[00:47:24] <Krinkle>	 Locos_epraix: mwCustomEditButtons is deprecated. The old toolbar still uses it but as you may know, it is not reliable. if you add a item to mwCustomEditButtons after the document is already loaded, it is ignored.
[00:47:30] <Krinkle>	 mw.toolbar.addButton fixes that
[00:47:32] <Locos_epraix>	 Krinkle: then http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.js/edit.js needs to be patched ;)
[00:47:54] <Locos_epraix>	 It used it because it's used in enwiki
[00:48:07] <Krinkle>	 Locos_epraix: probably yes, but that's their business. I'll let them know
[00:50:00] <pokeswap>	 in an installation, i know the content is GNU, but is the code GNU?
[00:53:02] <Reedy>	 Content is whatever you say it is
[00:53:17] <Reedy>	 Most of the MW code is GPLv2, with some variances on libraries and extensions
[00:55:11] <pokeswap>	 extensions?
[00:55:44] <Reedy>	 Look at the code
[00:55:53] <Reedy>	 It's very rarely not listed
[00:59:04] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Article Feedback Page v5 - Oversighter Email Notification - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35020 normal; MediaWiki extensions: ArticleFeedbackv5; (fflorin)
[00:59:56] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Article Feedback Page v5 - Oversighter Email Notification - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35020  normal->major;  +aftv5-1.5 (10Fabrice Florin)
[01:03:23] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) UploadWizard can not handle "rational" altitude info from EXIF - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35015  major->normal (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[01:03:57] <codurr>	 03catrope * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/113206> 10/trunk/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Create a unique index on afi_name, and force an index on the logging query
[01:05:30] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) UploadWizard can not handle "rational" altitude info from EXIF - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35015  +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[01:07:53] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) UploadWizard can not handle "rational" altitude info from EXIF - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35015  +comment (10sam)
[01:08:18] <JRWR>	 I have a feeling Im going into the wrong path with this, 
[01:08:38] <Locos_epraix>	 Krinkle, thank you so much for your suggestions
[01:08:40] <JRWR>	 when should/can use this "$wgUser->getEffectiveGroups();"
[01:08:46] <Locos_epraix>	 btw, http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Custom_edit_buttons needs updating
[01:08:47] <Krinkle>	 Locos_epraix: you're welcome :)
[01:08:52] <RoanKattouw>	 JRWR: Don't use that in code, use rights instead
[01:08:53] <JRWR>	 Im trying to make a little work around in Localsettings
[01:09:00] <Krinkle>	 Locos_epraix: Yes
[01:09:03] <Ashex>	 Is there a better place to look at skins then the gallery page?
[01:09:12] <Krinkle>	 Locos_epraix: Perhaps you want to update it with what you know? I can review if you like
[01:09:16] <RoanKattouw>	 JRWR: Define $wgGroupPermissions['sysop']['myfancyright'] = true;  and then check for $wgUser->isAllowed( 'myfancyright' )
[01:09:32] <JRWR>	 RoanKattouw:Im trying to make a bit where sysops can upload on type of file, and others get another set
[01:09:33] <Locos_epraix>	 Krinkle, I'll do it!
[01:09:37] <codurr>	 03reedy * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/113207> 10/trunk/phase3/tests/phpunit/includes/media/ExifTest.php: Fix mixed/messed up whitespace
[01:09:49] <RoanKattouw>	 JRWR: Right, so you'd define a right called 'uploadscaryfiles' or something
[01:09:59] <JRWR>	 awesome
[01:11:23] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) MediaWiki can not handle "rational" altitude info from EXIF - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35015  summary (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[01:11:33] <Krinkle>	 Locos_epraix: Thanks!
[01:11:39] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) RTL with IE-7 (or IE 8/9 in "compatability mode") does not show any toolbar - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34885  +comment (10tparscal)
[01:12:09] <pokeswap>	 WHat odes define a right mean?
[01:12:12] <pokeswap>	 define
[01:12:14] <wikibugs>	 14(WFM) Problems installing Version r37495 on MW 1.13.0 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35008  (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[01:12:16] <pokeswap>	 !define
[01:12:16] <mw-bot>	 I don't know anything about "define". You might try: !charinsert !variables 
[01:12:47] <Reedy>	 pokeswap: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=define%3Adefine
[01:13:30] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) RTL with IE-7 (or IE 8/9 in "compatability mode") does not show any toolbar - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34885  +comment (10tparscal)
[01:13:37] <JRWR>	 RoanKattouw: Code: if($wgUser->isAllowed( 'myfancyright' )){echo "yay"; } | Error: [07-Mar-2012 01:12:22 UTC] PHP Fatal error:  Call to a member function isAllowed() on a non-object in /var/www/LocalSettings-Common.php on line 305
[01:13:42] <RoanKattouw>	 Yeah
[01:13:48] <RoanKattouw>	 JRWR: You're gonna need to do this
[01:14:01] <pokeswap>	 in wiki coding of special pages NOT A VIDEO!!!
[01:14:04] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Namespace aliases for wikipedia and wikipedia-talk namespaces on Sanskrit wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35012  normal->15enhancement;  +shell; summary (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[01:14:29] <JRWR>	 I would like to thank you RoanKattouw, for being the most helpful so far :)
[01:14:32] <RoanKattouw>	 function doMyStuff() { global $wgUser, $wgFileExtensions; if ( $wgUser->isAllowed( 'uploadscaryfiles' ) ) { $wgFileExtensions[] = 'scaryextension'; } return true; }
[01:14:40] <RoanKattouw>	 $wgExtensionFunctions[] = 'doMyStuff';
[01:15:01] <RoanKattouw>	 (You'll have to add line breaks for that to be readable, but I hope you get the idea of what I'm doing here)
[01:15:20] <Reedy>	 pokeswap: define is the same in any circumstance
[01:15:21] <JRWR>	 Yep, 100% 
[01:15:33] <JRWR>	 Mediawiki is a strange beast isnt she
[01:15:47] <pokeswap>	 what code do i put into a page to define the rights!
[01:15:49] <Reedy>	 Is that a compliment? ;)
[01:16:18] <Reedy>	 !wg AvailableRights | pokeswap
[01:16:18] <mw-bot>	 pokeswap: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgAvailableRights
[01:16:47] <pokeswap>	 i know how to use the variable but how do i make the right do something?
[01:16:56] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Port SyntaxHighlight-Geshi to ResourceLoader - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35017  normal->15enhancement (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[01:17:07] <Reedy>	 Add an item to the array with the right
[01:17:10] <Reedy>	 the right is then defined
[01:17:34] * JRWR  is now doing a small writeup on how to do that now

[01:17:37] <RoanKattouw>	 JRWR: Yeah, it's because LocalSettings.php runs really early and $wgUser et al aren't available at that time
[01:17:45] <JRWR>	 I figured as much
[01:18:07] <JRWR>	 I couldnt find anything that has done selective upload permission
[01:18:24] <pokeswap>	 but... how do i make that right do something on the wiki?
[01:18:34] <JRWR>	 so I thank you RoanKattouw, and I plan on maybe making a simple extension out of it
[01:19:29] <RoanKattouw>	 Yay
[01:20:01] <JRWR>	 its never been done before, and it seems others might have uses for it as well :)
[01:20:32] <kajo_>	 Hi. I'm trying to essentially migrate a wiki to a new server. I've set up a LAMP stack, but I am stuck on doing a mysql dump... Feel out of my leage reading about that. Can anyone help? Should I install the same mediawiki version on the new server before I copy the stuff, additionally?
[01:21:17] <nischayn22>	 brion: hi
[01:21:17] <JRWR>	 kajo_: what OS?
[01:21:18] <Reedy>	 kajo_: you can't mysqldump
[01:21:27] <kajo_>	 Ubuntu
[01:21:32] <Reedy>	 As you've not got a running instance of mysql with the files in
[01:21:51] <kajo_>	 Reedy, are you sure? Why wouldn't I?
[01:22:01] <Reedy>	 Yes
[01:22:08] <kajo_>	 I have the original drive with all the data, and I just set up a running LAMP stack.
[01:22:11] <Reedy>	 Because you've attached the disk of a dead server
[01:22:13] <kajo_>	 Well, is there another option then?
[01:22:26] <Reedy>	 Copy the files and hope for the best is your only real option AFAIK
[01:22:39] <kajo_>	 Which files to copy? That's what I don't see anywhere.
[01:22:52] <Reedy>	 stop mysql, copy from /var/lib/mysql
[01:23:05] <kajo_>	 "stop mysql"?
[01:23:16] <Reedy>	 /etc/init.d/mysql stop
[01:23:22] <codurr>	 New code comment: Robmoen; It seems one call to .css() would be more efficient / elegant. Also, having it inside a closed contr; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/113139#c31907>
[01:24:33] <kajo_>	 Just to clarify, by having mysql installed, it becomes a background running process, and I'm stopping that process/program before I start messing with it, yes? 
[01:24:37] <kajo_>	 Reedy
[01:24:43] <Reedy>	 Yup
[01:24:49] <Reedy>	 in /var/lib/mysql on the old drive, you should have a folder called whatever the name of your database was
[01:24:49] <kajo_>	 Awesome, thanks.
[01:24:59] <Reedy>	 copy that folder to /var/lib/mysql on the new drive
[01:24:59] <kajo_>	 where do I copy to?
[01:25:02] <kajo_>	 ok
[01:25:13] <kajo_>	 Now, should I install mediawiki before I do this?
[01:25:24] <Reedy>	 nope
[01:25:40] <kajo_>	 Is this the only copy/paste I need to do, and then I install mediawiki?
[01:26:26] <Reedy>	 you'll probably want to copy the files from the old machine too
[01:26:35] <kajo_>	 Where will that/those be located?
[01:26:40] <kajo_>	 which files?
[01:27:03] <Reedy>	 How did you have it installed on the old machine?
[01:27:32] <kajo_>	 "how"? I don't understand how to answer that. I did basically what I'm doing now, only fresh.
[01:27:40] <kajo_>	 No copying of old database.
[01:27:50] <Reedy>	 Did you use apt-get to install mediawiki?
[01:28:20] <kajo_>	 I downloaded the file (and I still have that original tar.gz on the old drive) from the mediawiki site, untarred it, installed it.
[01:28:29] <kajo_>	 Followed the instructions on mediawiki site.
[01:28:35] <Reedy>	 right
[01:28:36] <kajo_>	 went through the web wizard.
[01:28:40] <Reedy>	 Where did you untar it to?
[01:29:01] <kajo_>	 wherever I was told to. What would be the most obvious, basic place to do it? 
[01:29:12] <Reedy>	 /var/www I guess
[01:29:16] <kajo_>	 Exactly.
[01:29:18] <kajo_>	 That.
[01:29:29] <kajo_>	 I can look it up right now and check if you like
[01:29:38] <Reedy>	 you'll want to copy the contents of that folder to the new drive
[01:30:03] <kajo_>	 And in so doing replace the current var/www?
[01:30:05] <kajo_>	 /var/www*
[01:30:18] <Reedy>	 yeah, there'll only be a placeholder file in there IIRC
[01:30:25] <Reedy>	 have you copied the db files?
[01:30:26] <kajo_>	 IIRC?
[01:30:33] <kajo_>	 No, I haven't done anything we've talked about yet
[01:30:33] <Reedy>	 if i remember correctly
[01:31:23] <kajo_>	 ...
[01:31:30] <nischayn22>	 TrevorParscal: hi
[01:31:45] <Locos_epraix>	 Krinkle, sorry to bother you again
[01:31:47] <Locos_epraix>	 but I can't find where the mwCustomEditButtons is populated
[01:31:55] <TrevorParscal>	 hi
[01:32:11] <Krinkle>	 Locos_epraix: It isn't
[01:32:15] <Krinkle>	 Locos_epraix: It's empty by default
[01:32:20] <nischayn22>	 TrevorParscal: I am applying for gsoc and had some queries regarding Extension CentralNotice
[01:32:21] <Krinkle>	 Locos_epraix: Local wikis can put stuff in it
[01:32:34] <Krinkle>	 Locos_epraix: mw.toolbar checks if it has something before it initializes
[01:32:40] <Reedy>	 nischayn22: TrevorParscal isn't the right person to speak to about CentralNotice
[01:32:56] <Krinkle>	 Locos_epraix: It's from before we had mw.toolbar.addButton
[01:33:06] <Locos_epraix>	 I see
[01:33:11] <kajo_>	 "user@machine:/rescue/var/lib$ cd mysql/
[01:33:11] <kajo_>	 -bash: cd: mysql/: Permission denied
[01:33:11] <kajo_>	 " @Reedy
[01:33:19] <Locos_epraix>	 So where are the default buttons initialized?
[01:33:21] <Reedy>	 you'll need to do it as root
[01:33:38] <nischayn22>	 Reedy: I saw his name on the authors. Anyways who is the right person?
[01:33:51] <codurr>	 New code comment: Krinkle; Using [[User:Krinkle/Test suite source code]] as test case. This is what I'm getting: \ * trunk:<br/>h; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/113190#c31908>
[01:33:55] <kajo_>	 when I try to do "sudo cd mysql", it says "command not found".
[01:33:56] <kajo_>	 ???
[01:34:03] <Reedy>	 kajo_: sudo su
[01:34:07] <Reedy>	 put your password in
[01:34:19] <Reedy>	 nischayn22: where? He's not listed on CentralNotice.php
[01:34:36] <kajo_>	 thanks
[01:34:53] <nischayn22>	 Reedy: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:CentralNotice here
[01:35:52] <Reedy>	 wtf
[01:36:15] <Reedy>	 Trevor has only committed once to it....
[01:36:18] <Reedy>	 Tomas has 5 times
[01:36:21] <codurr>	 New code comment: Helder.wiki; Some of these is not right: \ * https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki_1.19%2FRoadmap%2; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112836#c31909>
[01:36:23] <kajo_>	 Reedy, when I ran the command for stopping mysql you mentioned above, I got this: root@domU-12-31-39-0E-DA-24:/rescue/var/lib/mysql# /etc/init.d/mysql stop
[01:36:23] <kajo_>	 Rather than invoking init scripts through /etc/init.d, use the service(8)
[01:36:23] <kajo_>	 utility, e.g. service mysql stop
[01:36:23] <kajo_>	 Since the script you are attempting to invoke has been converted to an
[01:36:23] <kajo_>	 Upstart job, you may also use the stop(8) utility, e.g. stop mysql
[01:36:25] <kajo_>	 mysql stop/waiting
[01:36:38] <Reedy>	 Yeah, it's fine
[01:36:44] <kajo_>	 k
[01:37:01] <Reedy>	 Why don't we have line by line anotation in MW yet? ;)
[01:37:08] <nischayn22>	 Reedy: Oh! Really?
[01:38:00] <Reedy>	 Brion wrote it initially, and hasn't touched it in a few years. You'll want to speak to Ryan Kaldari
[01:38:34] <kajo_>	 Reedy, this is the contents of my /var/lib/mysql: /var/lib/mysql# ls
[01:38:34] <kajo_>	 debian-5.1.flag             ibdata1      ib_logfile1  mysql_upgrade_info
[01:38:34] <kajo_>	 domU-12-31-39-04-D5-78.pid  ib_logfile0  mysql        wikidb
[01:38:38] <kajo_>	 What do I need to copy?
[01:38:44] <Reedy>	 wikidb
[01:38:45] <nischayn22>	 Reedy: thanks. Brion seemed busy. I will try talking to Ryan
[01:39:04] <Reedy>	 He's a busy man
[01:39:08] <kajo_>	 reedy, that's the only thing to copy, then, and I copy it into the same location on the root drive?
[01:39:25] <Reedy>	 yup, for the database at least
[01:40:41] <nischayn22>	 Reedy: I can't find Ryan Kaldari's nick
[01:40:49] <Reedy>	 kaldari, when he's online
[01:41:19] <nischayn22>	 !seen kaldari
[01:41:19] <Petanbot>	 kaldari (~rkaldari@208.87.217.46) was last seen quitting from #mediawiki 13 days, 18 hours, 24 minutes ago stating (Quit: kaldari).
[01:41:28] <kajo_>	 Reedy, I'm rusty, so I want to make sure this command looks good to you before I hit enter: sudo cp /rescue/var/lib/mysql/wikidb /var/mysql/wikidb
[01:41:53] <Reedy>	 yeah, you don't need the sudo first though as you're using as root
[01:42:00] <kajo_>	 right
[01:42:03] <kajo_>	 habit
[01:42:11] <Reedy>	 heh, won't do any harm though
[01:42:19] <Reedy>	 nischayn22: he's on other channels. Should be emailable
[01:42:29] <kajo_>	 "cp: omitting directory `/rescue/var/lib/mysql/wikidb'
[01:42:29] <kajo_>	 "
[01:42:32] <kajo_>	 ?
[01:42:54] <Reedy>	 cp -R
[01:42:57] <Reedy>	 stupid syntax
[01:43:31] <kajo_>	 what does -R do?
[01:43:32] <nischayn22>	 Reedy: his page has the least information :P
[01:43:42] <Reedy>	 recursive copy
[01:44:09] <nischayn22>	 kajo_: It copies all the directories and everything
[01:44:13] <kajo_>	 thanks
[01:44:29] <Krinkle>	 brion: Do you know anything about a change in the parser between 1.19wmf1 branch and current trunk HEAD? Related to whitespace in tags in list items
[01:44:39] <kajo_>	 it says I can't copy because the folder doesn't exist; should I take the last /wikidb out of the destination?
[01:45:11] <Reedy>	 yeah
[01:45:14] <kajo_>	 So, : cp -R /rescue/var/lib/mysql/wikidb /var/mysql
[01:45:51] <codurr>	 New code comment: Fabrice Florin; Thanks, Roan! \ You are correct, the string in between the brackets is not supposed to be literally i; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/113163#c31910>
[01:45:59] <Reedy>	 yup
[01:46:58] <kajo_>	 wait... should I have copied that to /var/lib/mysql?
[01:47:11] <Reedy>	 haha, yeah
[01:47:18] <kajo_>	 nice, haha.
[01:47:29] <kajo_>	 any harm in leaving the old copy there? should I delete that first?
[01:47:38] <kajo_>	 it's a copy, so the original is still on the old drive, right?
[01:47:47] <Reedy>	 yup, original is still there
[01:47:50] <Krinkle>	 !branchpoint
[01:47:50] <mw-bot>	 I don't know anything about "branchpoint". You might try: !branchpoints 
[01:47:51] <Krinkle>	 !branchpoints
[01:47:51] <mw-bot>	 http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Branch_points
[01:47:57] <Krinkle>	 !branchpoint alias branchpoints
[01:47:57] <mw-bot>	 Successfully added alias: branchpoint
[01:48:36] <codurr>	 New code comment: Fabrice Florin; Also note that we have opened a special Bugzilla ticket for this: \ Bug 35020 - Article Feedback Pag; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/113163#c31911>
[01:50:20] <kajo_>	 weird, even though I ran that 'wrong' command copying it one directory short, and there is indeed a /var/mysql (as opposed to /var/lib/mysql), I don't see the wikidb folder in /var/mysql as per the original command. :\
[01:50:39] <kajo_>	 anyways, updated the command, and it is copied to the correct place.
[01:50:53] <Reedy>	 /etc/init.d/mysql start
[01:51:25] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Article Feedback Page v5 - Oversighter Email Notification - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35020  +comment (10fflorin)
[01:51:28] <Reedy>	 then check /var/log/mysql/mysql.err and /var/log/mysql/mysql.log
[01:51:28] <kajo_>	 I should start mysql before I copy the /var/www?
[01:51:58] <Reedy>	 yeah, might aswell
[01:52:01] <Reedy>	 doesn't really matter
[01:52:17] <kajo_>	 cat: /var/log/mysql/mysql.err: No such file or directory
[01:52:34] <kajo_>	 bash: /var/log/mysql/mysql.log: No such file or directory
[01:52:48] <Reedy>	 bahhh
[01:52:51] <kajo_>	 ?
[01:53:01] <kajo_>	 Does that mean it worked, or soemthing is wrong?
[01:53:04] <Reedy>	 there's /var/log/mysql/error.log
[01:53:11] <Reedy>	 and /var/log/mysql.err
[01:53:14] <Reedy>	 and /var/log/mysql.log
[01:53:35] <Reedy>	 try the first one
[01:53:39] <kajo_>	 They all exist on my machine, or there are just a bunch of different permutations and I have to guess around to find one?
[01:54:05] <Reedy>	 I have no idea why there is the mysql folder and mysql logs at the same level
[01:54:12] <Reedy>	 Ubuntu/Debian and their infinte wisdom
[01:54:43] <Reedy>	 based on my local db vm, you want /var/log/mysql/error.log
[01:55:07] <kajo_>	 http://paste.ubuntu.com/872409/
[01:55:16] <kajo_>	 there's the error.log
[01:55:34] <Reedy>	 That looks sane
[01:55:47] <Reedy>	 do you know how to use mysql on the command line
[01:55:48] <Reedy>	 ?
[01:56:05] <kajo_>	 Never done anything with mysql other than the basic install I was walked through on instructions.
[01:56:19] <kajo_>	 but I'm a fast learner. Is it different from bash?
[01:56:36] <Reedy>	 pretty much the same, but you can put sql commands into it
[01:56:44] <Reedy>	 the difficult part here is getting in, depending on credentials
[01:56:53] <Reedy>	 as root you might be ok to just type mysql
[01:57:13] <kajo_>	 I mean, I *just* installed mysql, why should it be difficult?
[01:57:18] <kajo_>	 anyways, what do you have in mind?
[01:57:21] <mutante>	 if you ever used phpmyadmin before, it's basically you just type the commands that you used to put into that web UI box
[01:57:40] <kajo_>	 I never have
[01:58:00] <kajo_>	 I've done all my serverside stuff in a terminal.
[01:58:00] <Reedy>	 I just want to confirm mysql has properly loaded in the copied database
[01:58:14] <Reedy>	 when on, show databases; and then show tables from wikidb; is al I need
[01:58:21] <kajo_>	 Can you just walk me through the commands? I know the password I just made, though it didn't ask for a username, so I assume it's the defaul, whatever that is.
[01:58:30] <Reedy>	 right
[01:58:32] <Reedy>	 try mysql -p
[01:58:40] <Reedy>	 and enter that password
[01:58:52] <kajo_>	 I'm in
[01:58:59] <kajo_>	 "mysql>"
[01:59:07] <Reedy>	 That was easy. (tm)
[01:59:09] <codurr>	 03aaron * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/113208> 10/branches/wmf/1.19wmf1/includes/filerepo/backend/FileBackend.php: bumped max file size to 4GiB
[01:59:10] <Reedy>	 show databases;
[01:59:32] <kajo_>	 Is that a command you want me to type?
[01:59:43] <Reedy>	 yup
[01:59:52] <kajo_>	 +--------------------+
[01:59:52] <kajo_>	 | Database           |
[01:59:52] <kajo_>	 +--------------------+
[01:59:52] <kajo_>	 | information_schema |
[01:59:52] <kajo_>	 | mysql              |
[01:59:53] <kajo_>	 | wikidb             |
[01:59:57] <kajo_>	 +--------------------+
[01:59:59] <kajo_>	 3 rows in set (0.00 sec)
[02:00:02] <Reedy>	 looking good
[02:00:06] <kajo_>	 :D
[02:00:08] <Reedy>	 show tables from wikidb;
[02:00:11] <Reedy>	 (don't paste the results)
[02:00:15] <nischayn22>	 sumanah: hi
[02:00:19] <Reedy>	 you should get list of results
[02:00:34] <kajo_>	 got an error.
[02:00:35] <kajo_>	 :(
[02:00:39] <kajo_>	 ERROR 1018 (HY000): Can't read dir of './wikidb/' (errno: 13)
[02:00:57] <codurr>	 03aaron * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/113209> 10/trunk/phase3/includes/filerepo/backend/FileBackendStore.php: r109469: ported r113208 by bumping max file size from 1GB to 4GiB.
[02:01:14] <Reedy>	 that's probably just file permission errors
[02:01:19] <Reedy>	 might need to fix and restart mysql
[02:01:25] <AaronSchulz>	 TimStarling: maybe you can OK r109469 now ;)
[02:01:31] <kajo_>	 "fix"?
[02:01:42] <kajo_>	 turn off, chmod something, and turn on?
[02:01:51] <Reedy>	 chown -R mysql:mysql /var/lib/mysql/wikidb
[02:02:04] <kajo_>	 Should I turn mysql off first?
[02:02:22] <sumanah>	 hi nischayn22 
[02:02:30] <kajo_>	 And should I exit the mysql prompt to do that?
[02:02:46] <kajo_>	 (I presume no to the first, and yes to the second?)
[02:03:12] <mutante>	 yes, or open a second shell
[02:03:13] <Reedy>	 you could do the first aswell
[02:03:17] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) unicode display bug - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34921  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[02:03:24] <Reedy>	 or fix and then /etc/init.d/mysql restart
[02:03:33] <Reedy>	 (and then just check the error log again)
[02:04:04] <nischayn22>	 sumanah: I had some ideas regarding Extension:CentralNotice, would like to discuss with Ryan Kaldari. Do you know which channel he  can be found on?
[02:04:11] <kajo_>	 this time the error log has lots of errors. :(
[02:04:38] <Reedy>	 pastebin again?
[02:04:44] <Reedy>	 sometimes it's just noice/info
[02:04:47] <Reedy>	 *noise
[02:05:29] <sumanah>	 nischayn22: Ryan Kaldari is not in IRC right now
[02:05:50] <codurr>	 03catrope * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/113210> 10/trunk/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5/sql/wmfupdate-mar8.sql: Add .sql file for WMF deployment on Thursday
[02:05:53] <kajo_>	 http://paste.ubuntu.com/872419/
[02:06:00] <nischayn22>	 sumanah: probably I should mail him than
[02:06:01] <sumanah>	 nischayn22, you should simply email the MediaWiki developers' list
[02:06:10] <sumanah>	 nischayn22: don't do things in private when they have no reason to be private
[02:06:23] <nischayn22>	 sumanah: okay that sounds right
[02:06:46] <sumanah>	 nischayn22: specifically mention in your first paragraph that you want to ask his advice :-)
[02:06:57] <sumanah>	 also, nischayn22, you should use a spell-checker on your email before you send it :-)
[02:07:05] <kajo_>	 Reedy, pastebin posted: http://paste.ubuntu.com/872419/
[02:07:14] <Reedy>	 yeah, just looking
[02:07:21] <kajo_>	 ok, just making sure you saw
[02:07:44] <sumanah>	 actually, nischayn22, that was unfair of me
[02:07:50] <sumanah>	 nischayn22: your emails have been well-spelled :-)
[02:08:02] <nischayn22>	 sumanah: also I have submitted two patches for two bugs, but they haven't been reviewed yet. Should I worry about that?
[02:08:16] <sumanah>	 nischayn22: that is a good question
[02:08:44] <nischayn22>	 sumanah: I have read the guidelines well so no spelling errors from my side :)
[02:08:45] <sumanah>	 nischayn22: we unfortunately have a backlog of patches to review
[02:08:49] <sumanah>	 nischayn22: :-D
[02:09:14] <sumanah>	 nischayn22: there are currently about 200 patches awaiting review, to improve MW core and extensions that WMF deploys
[02:09:26] <codurr>	 03catrope * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/113211> 10/trunk/phase3/includes/api/ApiBase.php:
[02:09:26] <codurr>	 It seems that parseMsg() sometimes receives strings, probably from bad
[02:09:26] <codurr>	 dieUsageMsg() callers or badly formatter error arrays. I don't want to have to
[02:09:26] <codurr>	 track this down, so I'm making it fail gracefully and just cast any strings to
[02:09:27] <codurr>	 arrays
[02:10:18] <sumanah>	 nischayn22: so, you are not alone :-/
[02:10:25] <sumanah>	 nischayn22: what are the patches? can you point to the bugs?
[02:10:26] <nischayn22>	 sumanah: so I should just mind on submitting patches to unresolved bugs
[02:10:34] <codurr>	 03catrope * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/113212> 10/branches/wmf/1.19wmf1/includes/api/ApiBase.php: 1.19wmf1: MFT r113211
[02:10:34] <sumanah>	 nischayn22: what does "mind on" mean?
[02:10:52] <nischayn22>	 sumanah: I meant concentrate on
[02:11:02] <sumanah>	 nischayn22: I don't know.
[02:11:19] <sumanah>	 nischayn22: how do you learn best?
[02:11:40] <sumanah>	 nischayn22: if you learn best by working on patches to bugs, then yes, do that.
[02:12:05] <sumanah>	 nischayn22: if you learn best by looking at good code, then look at the example of Message.php (well-structured, uses chaining)
[02:12:17] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) RTL with IE-7 (or IE 8/9 in "compatability mode") does not show any toolbar - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34885  +comment (10tparscal)
[02:12:43] <nischayn22>	 sumanah: the patches are at https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=34302 and https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=30796
[02:12:54] <Reedy>	 kajo_: best option google seems to be suggesting is from here, run a db backup from that server, delete the existing database, and reimport
[02:13:27] <Reedy>	 Though I wonder if copying some of the other files over..
[02:13:39] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Add email-verified or email-not-verified class to email options - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34302   +need-review; +comment (10Sumana Harihareswara)
[02:14:05] <kajo_>	 Whatever you suggest. Maybe your second option is easier, and so worth trying before doing the db backup?
[02:14:43] <sumanah>	 nischayn22: which do you think you would prefer?
[02:15:42] <sumanah>	 nischayn22: I noticed that one of these bugs did not have the "need-review" keyword.  In order for developers to notice that a bug has a patch that needs review, it needs to have both the keywords "patch" and "need-review".  I added the keyword.
[02:15:55] <sumanah>	 I also gave you, nischayn22, the ability to add and change keywords on a Bugzilla bug.
[02:15:59] <sumanah>	 So next time you can do that yourself.
[02:16:06] <nischayn22>	 sumanah: I want to learn more about hooks
[02:16:10] <Reedy>	 Ahhh
[02:16:22] <Reedy>	 kajo_: seems we might need the ibdata1 file
[02:16:36] <sumanah>	 nischayn22: have you already worked through https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/How_to_become_a_MediaWiki_hacker/Extension_Writing_Tutorial ?
[02:16:43] <nischayn22>	 sumanah: yes I tried to add keywords but there wasn't an option, well thanks
[02:16:43] <kajo_>	 Cool, lead me on.
[02:16:44] <Reedy>	 didn't realise that in some configs, it saves EVERYTHING in one large file
[02:17:00] <Reedy>	 /etc/init.d/mysql stop
[02:17:36] <nischayn22>	 sumanah: hmm. I must have missed it. Will work on it now
[02:17:49] <Reedy>	 cp /resuce/var/lib/mysql/ibdata1 /var/lib/mysql/ibdata1
[02:17:49] <kajo_>	 k
[02:18:00] <Reedy>	 did you typo on rescue? ;)
[02:18:00] <sumanah>	 nischayn22: it was linked from https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/How_to_become_a_MediaWiki_hacker#Get_started 
[02:18:31] <sumanah>	 nischayn22: so, look at that list of resources again.  While you wait (only a few days, I hope) for your patches to be reviewed, those will be good ways for you to learn and use your time
[02:18:50] <kajo_>	 Reedy, hold on, the ssh session died, reconnecting
[02:18:56] <kajo_>	 ok
[02:19:07] <nischayn22>	 sumanah: also you might consider filling in new bugs on the page http://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Annoying_little_bugs many of them have patches already submitted
[02:19:07] <kajo_>	 Did I typo?
[02:19:19] <kajo_>	 rescue
[02:19:24] <Reedy>	 no, i did
[02:19:28] <kajo_>	 oh, haha
[02:20:21] <sumanah>	 nischayn22: ok.
[02:20:21] <nischayn22>	 sumanah: I have been asked to develop a wiki for my college's lug(linux users group) website :)
[02:20:25] <sumanah>	 nischayn22: that's great!
[02:20:31] <kajo_>	 reedy, ok, done
[02:20:51] <kajo_>	 no complaints on cp /rescue/var/lib/mysql/ibdata1 /var/lib/mysql/ibdata1
[02:20:52] <kajo_>	  (Reedy*)
[02:20:56] <Reedy>	 good
[02:21:09] <Reedy>	 i wonder if copying the logs would be a good idea "just for the hell of it"
[02:21:16] <Reedy>	 meh, one at a time
[02:21:17] <kajo_>	 I have to restart it, right?
[02:21:19] <Reedy>	 start mysql again
[02:21:23] <Reedy>	 mysql -p
[02:21:34] <Reedy>	 (or check the error log again first)
[02:21:35] <Reedy>	 show tables from wikidb;
[02:21:51] <kajo_>	 45 rows pop up!
[02:21:53] <kajo_>	 :D
[02:22:03] <Reedy>	 awesome
[02:22:06] <Reedy>	 sanity check
[02:22:08] <kajo_>	 looks clean
[02:22:10] <Reedy>	 select * from user;
[02:22:19] <Reedy>	 select * from user LIMIT 1;
[02:22:21] <Reedy>	 even
[02:23:01] <kajo_>	 no database selected
[02:23:03] <kajo_>	 even?
[02:23:26] <kajo_>	 mysql> select * from user;
[02:23:27] <kajo_>	 ERROR 1046 (3D000): No database selected
[02:23:27] <kajo_>	 mysql> select * from user LIMIT 1;
[02:23:27] <kajo_>	 ERROR 1046 (3D000): No database selected
[02:23:44] <Reedy>	 select * from wikidb.user LIMIT 1;
[02:24:14] <kajo_>	 ERROR 1146 (42S02): Table 'wikidb.user' doesn't exist
[02:24:25] <Reedy>	 have you a prefix on the table names?
[02:24:29] <Reedy>	 mw_ or something?
[02:24:46] <sumanah>	 nischayn22: I have now removed several items from the Annoying Little Bugs page because, as you mentioned, they had patches pending
[02:25:00] <sumanah>	 nischayn22: I usually do that check every few weeks; I see here people have been busy!
[02:25:45] <kajo_>	 hello
[02:25:59] <kajo_>	 sorry, cafe requires re-accepting terms and conditions every couple hours
[02:26:03] <kajo_>	 http://paste.ubuntu.com/872436/
[02:26:07] <kajo_>	 that's the table
[02:26:15] <nischayn22>	 sumanah: I think gsoc brings many new developers to open-source.
[02:26:16] <kajo_>	 doesn't look like it has prefix to me, and I do see user under it
[02:26:19] <sumanah>	 varnent: hey, I need to head away for a moment
[02:26:19] <kajo_>	 Reedy
[02:26:36] <varnent>	 sumanah: okay
[02:27:15] <Reedy>	 nope
[02:27:16] <sumanah>	 varnent: but maybe you want to see https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Annoying_little_bugs
[02:27:27] <Reedy>	 use wikidb; select * from user LIMIT 1;
[02:27:31] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Create a user right that allows ignoring the spam blacklist - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34928  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[02:27:36] <sumanah>	 varnent: if you know of some annoying little, easy-to-fix bugs in extensions you happen to know, add them there?
[02:27:49] <kajo_>	 Reading table information for completion of table and column names
[02:27:50] <kajo_>	 You can turn off this feature to get a quicker startup with -A
[02:27:50] <kajo_>	 Database changed
[02:27:50] <kajo_>	 ERROR 1146 (42S02): Table 'wikidb.user' doesn't exist
[02:27:57] <varnent>	 sumanah: good call - lol - I was JUST on that page 3 minutes ago..creppy..
[02:28:11] <kajo_>	 I love crepes
[02:28:27] <varnent>	 ugh - now I'm hungry for pastries..
[02:28:46] <varnent>	 heatherw: ping
[02:28:48] <Reedy>	 I wonder why it's bitching
[02:29:14] <Reedy>	 Did the error log spew anything this time on startup?
[02:29:31] <kajo_>	 well, I didn't check them, but the startup was pretty quiet
[02:29:44] <kajo_>	 root@domU-12-31-39-0E-DA-24:/# mysql -p
[02:29:45] <kajo_>	 Enter password: 
[02:29:45] <kajo_>	 Welcome to the MySQL monitor.  Commands end with ; or \g.
[02:29:45] <kajo_>	 Your MySQL connection id is 36
[02:29:45] <kajo_>	 Server version: 5.1.58-1ubuntu1 (Ubuntu)
[02:29:45] <kajo_>	 Copyright (c) 2000, 2010, Oracle and/or its affiliates. All rights reserved.
[02:29:47] <kajo_>	 This software comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY. This is free software,
[02:29:49] <kajo_>	 and you are welcome to modify and redistribute it under the GPL v2 license
[02:29:51] <kajo_>	 Type 'help;' or '\h' for help. Type '\c' to clear the current input statement.
[02:29:53] <kajo_>	 mysql> use wikidb; select * from user LIMIT 1;
[02:29:55] <kajo_>	 that was the startup
[02:30:01] <Reedy>	 pastebin ;)
[02:30:05] <kajo_>	 right, sorry
[02:30:08] <kajo_>	 should I check the log?
[02:30:16] <kajo_>	 didn't realize how long it would be in IRC, looked smaller in terminal
[02:30:30] <Reedy>	 heh
[02:30:37] <Reedy>	 I was meaning /var/log/mysql/error.log
[02:32:27] <kajo_>	 http://paste.ubuntu.com/872443/
[02:32:30] <kajo_>	 yes, errors.
[02:32:53] <sumanah>	 varnent: I do not see heatherw in the office
[02:32:56] <Reedy>	 same as before
[02:33:05] * sumanah  vanishes again

[02:33:08] <kajo_>	 yup
[02:33:27] <varnent>	 sumanah: kk - let me know if there are more commonly requested links that should be swapped into https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/MediaWiki.org_Main_Page_tweaks/Sandbox/v10
[02:34:49] <kajo_>	 Reedy, I had found this page before, but couldn't quite follow it on my own... Does it help you? http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/mediawiki-l/2008-August/028294.html
[02:35:10] <Reedy>	 kajo_: try copying the ib_logfile* to
[02:35:12] <Reedy>	 too
[02:35:37] <Reedy>	 They're working with a backup file
[02:36:11] <kajo_>	 ah. Something I don't have. Weird, I thought the original files would work just as fine, thought a backup was just a copy. :\
[02:36:20] <kajo_>	 where is the ib_logfile?
[02:36:30] <Reedy>	 same place as the other mysql files we've copied out
[02:36:46] <Reedy>	 there might be multiple
[02:36:47] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) [Regression] Exception thrown by mediawiki.action.edit: Cannot read property 'imageFile' of undefined - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34920  +comment (10vssun9)
[02:36:49] <heatherw>	 varnent: hi
[02:37:20] <kajo_>	 in /var/log/mysql, there is only error.log
[02:37:27] <kajo_>	 no other file
[02:37:38] <kajo_>	 or folder
[02:37:54] <Reedy>	 /var/lib/mysql
[02:38:00] <varnent>	 heatherw: hey there - pending a gander at any color pages you email over - this is near final draft of what I plan to propose:  https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/MediaWiki.org_Main_Page_tweaks/Sandbox/v10
[02:39:17] <heatherw>	 oh, better!
[02:39:28] <kajo_>	 oh, copying it from old install to new one. I just tried to cat it, and it freaked out, haha. not reall readable in txt format
[02:39:59] <varnent>	 heatherw: finally added the requested links that got this whole conversation started  :)
[02:40:11] <heatherw>	 hah, nice
[02:40:58] <varnent>	 heatherw: any final thoughts/tweaks? or any obvious links missing?
[02:41:03] <kajo_>	 Reedy: DA-24:/var/lib/mysql# cp /rescue/var/lib/mysql/ib_logfile /var/lib/mysql/ib_logfile
[02:41:04] <kajo_>	 cp: cannot stat `/rescue/var/lib/mysql/ib_logfile': No such file or directory
[02:41:04] <kajo_>	 root@domU-12-31-39-0E-DA-24:/var/lib/mysql# cp /rescue/var/lib/mysql/ib_logfile /var/lib/mysql/
[02:41:04] <kajo_>	 cp: cannot stat `/rescue/var/lib/mysql/ib_logfile': No such file or directory
[02:41:06] <varnent>	 *final/new
[02:41:20] * varnent  not sure "final" is a good word to use in any situation..

[02:41:48] <kajo_>	 Reedy, put the asterisk, worked.
[02:41:51] <Reedy>	 yeah
[02:41:52] <Reedy>	 heh
[02:42:07] <kajo_>	 /var/lib/mysql should be the destination, right?
[02:42:10] <Reedy>	 yup
[02:42:10] <heatherw>	 varnent: i don't love the orange but that might be a personal failing on my part
[02:42:32] <kajo_>	 Now I have both ib_logfile0  and ib_logfile1 
[02:42:35] <kajo_>	 is that a problem?
[02:42:39] <kajo_>	 the 0 was already there
[02:42:42] <kajo_>	 the 1 is the new one
[02:42:55] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Allow loading user scripts in the header - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34958  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[02:42:58] <heatherw>	 varnent: what if the top section is in "open air" as it were?
[02:43:23] <Reedy>	 nope, that's fine
[02:43:28] <Reedy>	 did it replace the new one?
[02:43:34] <varnent>	 heatherw: I'm okay with that - lol - at one point I liked it with no bg-colors at all  :)
[02:43:43] <kajo_>	 No, they're both there, listed side by side as stated above
[02:43:49] <codurr>	 03krinkle * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/113213> 10/trunk/phase3/tests/qunit/suites/resources/jquery/jquery.textSelection.test.js:
[02:43:50] <codurr>	 [jquery.textSelection.test] disable caretTest per bug 34820
[02:43:50] <codurr>	 * Right now it's causing testswarm clients to have to this test 3 times, and if
[02:43:50] <codurr>	 until bug 34820 is fixed there is no point in clogging up testswarm with it,
[02:43:51] <codurr>	 making all IE columns uselessly red and making it harder to detect an actual
[02:43:52] <codurr>	 regression
[02:44:01] <kajo_>	 (Or did I understand your question correctly?)
[02:44:50] <Reedy>	 did the old logfile0 replace the new logfile0?
[02:45:16] <varnent>	 heatherw: clicking refresh should be like yellow-go-away button
[02:45:30] <heatherw>	 ahhh
[02:45:44] <heatherw>	 yay
[02:45:59] <kajo_>	 Well, if I'm not mistaken, there didn't used to be a logfile1, and now there is. As far as if the old logfile0 was replaced, I wouldn't know, as I hadn't looked at the old one first.
[02:46:09] <Reedy>	 heh
[02:46:12] <Reedy>	 should be fine
[02:46:24] <Reedy>	 start mysql again
[02:46:31] <varnent>	 heatherw: cool - I'm going to let it fester a few more days and then modify the RfC to be on that revision
[02:46:37] <kajo_>	 mysql -p?
[02:46:38] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) {{GENDER:|}} does not work for message MediaWiki:Watchlist-details on Special:Watchlist - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34987  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[02:46:43] <heatherw>	 cool!
[02:46:49] <Reedy>	 yup
[02:46:54] <kajo_>	 k
[02:48:05] <varnent>	 heatherw: ty for pinging back to take a gander at the latest mockup  :)
[02:48:29] <heatherw>	 sure! sorry i've been so crazed i didn't deliver on any ideas :P
[02:48:39] <kajo_>	 Reedy, what should I type next? check error logs?
[02:48:44] <heatherw>	 feel free to pester me 
[02:49:00] <Reedy>	 use wikidb; select * from user limit 1;
[02:49:04] <varnent>	 heatherw: eh - the design expertise was helpful   :)  - especially on the color usage
[02:49:24] <varnent>	 heatherw: finally got it to a place where it looked like something I liked rather than just sort liked  :)
[02:49:27] <kajo_>	 mysql> use wikidb; select * from user limit 1;
[02:49:27] <kajo_>	 Reading table information for completion of table and column names
[02:49:27] <kajo_>	 You can turn off this feature to get a quicker startup with -A
[02:49:27] <kajo_>	 Database changed
[02:49:27] <kajo_>	 ERROR 1146 (42S02): Table 'wikidb.user' doesn't exist
[02:49:33] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Allow loading user scripts in the header - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34958  normal->15enhancement (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[02:49:34] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) jquery.textSelection tests fail randomly on IE (6-10) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34820  +comment (10krinklemail)
[02:49:37] <heatherw>	 :)
[02:49:40] <Reedy>	 fail
[02:50:42] <kajo_>	 Reedy, I exited and restarted it, and then I got this: mysql> use wikidb; select * from user limit 1;
[02:50:42] <kajo_>	 Reading table information for completion of table and column names
[02:50:42] <kajo_>	 You can turn off this feature to get a quicker startup with -A
[02:50:42] <kajo_>	 Database changed
[02:50:42] <kajo_>	 +---------+-----------+----------------+----------------------------------------------+------------------+-------------------+------------+--------------+----------------+----------------------------------+--------------------------+----------------------------------+--------------------------+-------------------+----------------+
[02:50:45] <kajo_>	 | user_id | user_name | user_real_name | user_password                                | user_newpassword | user_newpass_time | user_email | user_options | user_touched   | user_token                       | user_email_authenticated | user_email_token                 | user_email_token_expires | user_registration | user_editcount |
[02:50:49] <kajo_>	 +---------+-----------+----------------+----------------------------------------------+------------------+-------------------+------------+--------------+----------------+----------------------------------+--------------------------+----------------------------------+--------------------------+-------------------+----------------+
[02:50:53] <Reedy>	 pastebin :P
[02:50:53] <kajo_>	 |       1 | KisLevAst |                | :B:64ed73a4:0e720cc98938439dbf3f82946d5edcda |                  | NULL              |            |              | 20110615023212 | 11672f7a293654473e267614d6b53911 | NULL                     |                                  | NULL                     | 20110615023207    |              0 |
[02:50:57] <kajo_>	 +---------+-----------+----------------+----------------------------------------------+------------------+-------------------+------------+--------------+----------------+----------------------------------+--------------------------+----------------------------------+--------------------------+-------------------+----------------+
[02:50:57] <Reedy>	 But that's what we want
[02:51:03] <kajo_>	 1 row in set (0.00 sec)
[02:51:05] <kajo_>	 should have pastebined that, sorry.
[02:51:07] <kajo_>	 (heh)
[02:51:09] <Reedy>	 lol
[02:51:18] <Reedy>	 Right, so your DB is back for use
[02:51:18] <kajo_>	 awesome
[02:51:24] <kajo_>	 so it's good?
[02:51:26] <Reedy>	 You can run a backup later
[02:51:34] <kajo_>	 :D:D:D:D:D:D
[02:51:36] <Reedy>	 Yeah
[02:51:49] <kajo_>	 Thanks a billion. 
[02:51:55] <Reedy>	 So... Copy your wiki files, possibly copy apache site config, and possibly a mysql user to create
[02:52:07] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) "upload a new version" replaces old version - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34993  +comment (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[02:52:47] <kajo_>	 "possibly a mysql user to create"; what? create what?
[02:52:53] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) mw.util.tooltipAccessKeyPrefix should be alt-shift for Firefox 3+ and Chromium 12 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/29753  +comment (10krinklemail)
[02:53:09] <Reedy>	 a username/password for the wiki to access mysql with
[02:53:23] <Reedy>	 chances are you've got it set to something like wikiuser and some password
[02:53:46] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) features not reported due to unnescessary violation of the open_basedir restriction - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35001  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[02:54:11] <kajo_>	 ok, so if I try to break this down... Where in this process do I go and actually install wikimedia onto the server? after all those steps, or immediately and before?
[02:54:39] <kajo_>	 is the mysql user creation process part of the mediawiki install wizard process? It is, isn't it?
[02:54:46] <Reedy>	 Yeah
[02:54:51] <Reedy>	 But you've already got your files/db
[02:54:58] <Reedy>	 So you shouldn't need to run the installer
[02:55:11] <sumanah>	 kajo_: remember, "Wikimedia" is not "MediaWiki"
[02:55:16] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) MediaWiki can not handle "rational" altitude info from EXIF - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35015   +upstream (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[02:55:20] <kajo_>	 when you say the wiki files, you are referring to /rescue/var/www being copied to /var/www?
[02:55:24] <Dantman>	 Oh good freaking lord... our rel=canonical code is completely screwed up
[02:55:28] <kajo_>	 sumanah, thanks, slip of the... hand
[02:55:40] <sumanah>	 kajo_: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikipmediawiki
[02:55:46] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Search summaries force space after link, not respecting link postfix - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35016  normal->15enhancement (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[02:55:49] <sumanah>	 kajo_: we do it too :-)
[02:56:21] <codurr>	 New code comment: Tim Starling; Sure, but I mean that if you're trying to limit it to the largest size that can be stored reliably w; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/109469#c31912>
[02:58:13] <codurr>	 03krinkle * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/113214> 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES-1.19 resources/mediawiki/mediawiki.util.js):
[02:58:14] <codurr>	 [mw.util.tooltipAccessKeyPrefix] alt-shift for Chrome on Windows
[02:58:14] <codurr>	 * Fixes:
[02:58:14] <codurr>	 -- (bug 29753) mw.util.tooltipAccessKeyPrefix should be alt-shift for Chrome on Windows
[02:59:57] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) mw.util.tooltipAccessKeyPrefix should be alt-shift for Chrome on Windows and Firefox 3+ - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/29753  summary; +comment (10Krinkle)
[03:01:13] <Krinkle>	 TimStarling: You've been added to the Countervandalism Network (CVN) blacklist, uh oh ?
[03:01:21] <Krinkle>	 the block on zh.wikipedia triggered an autoblacklist
[03:01:41] <PiRSquared>	 then remove it?
[03:01:45] <TimStarling>	 that's nice
[03:01:54] <kajo_>	 Is this command correct? sudo cp -R /rescue/var/www /var/www
[03:02:21] <Krinkle>	 TimStarling: ah, 'test' and you did it yourseld
[03:02:23] <Krinkle>	 self*
[03:02:30] <TimStarling>	 it doesn't sound like my problem though
[03:02:45] <Krinkle>	 TimStarling: http://i.imgur.com/7ypT1.png
[03:02:53] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) [Regression] Edit summary shouldn't be parsed as wikitext into html in e-mail notifications - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35019  +comment (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[03:02:54] <Krinkle>	 TimStarling: I know, just thought it looked funny
[03:02:57] <Krinkle>	 removed now
[03:03:10] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) [Regression] Edit summary shouldn't be parsed as wikitext into html in e-mail notifications - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35019  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[03:03:19] <kajo_>	 edited: sudo cp -R /rescue/var/www /var
[03:04:47] <Reedy>	 ya
[03:04:56] <kajo_>	 done
[03:04:59] <kajo_>	 where is my apache site config?
[03:06:11] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Unable to move a corrupt file on commons: [[:commons:File:Нева.jpg]] - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34934  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[03:06:28] <Reedy>	 kajo_: /etc/apache2/sites-enabled
[03:06:36] <Reedy>	 000-default or something in there most likely
[03:06:48] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Place in particular articles the extension FlaggedRevs on the Portuguese Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34941   +shell (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[03:08:11] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) [Regression] Edit summary shouldn't be parsed as wikitext into html in e-mail notifications - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35019  +comment (10krinklemail)
[03:08:35] <kajo_>	 just copy the 000default file over, then?
[03:08:49] <Reedy>	 yeah
[03:09:17] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Incorrect SVG text rasterization - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34947  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[03:10:30] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) migrate to Etherpad Lite - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34953  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[03:11:00] <kajo_>	 Reedy, this command, then? cp /rescue/etc/apache2/sites-enabled/000-default /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/
[03:11:36] <Reedy>	 ya
[03:12:12] <kajo_>	 well... the ip for the site still shows the default apache blank "it works!" page... Do I need to restart the server or soemthing?
[03:12:18] <kajo_>	 Or is there another step I'm missing?
[03:14:37] <wikibugs>	 14(DUP) Deletion fails https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:Jennifer_Nettles_in_David_Meister.jpg&action=delete - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34959  +comment (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[03:14:37] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Error deleting file: non-identical file already exists - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34755  +comment (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[03:14:42] <Reedy>	 yeah, restart apache
[03:15:24] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) Map Tiles sometimes missing - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34973  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[03:15:40] <kajo_>	 Reedy, "apachectl -k graceful"?
[03:16:05] <Reedy>	 I just use init.d for everything ;)
[03:16:06] <Reedy>	 should be fine
[03:16:21] <kajo_>	 I don;'t know what init.d actually means or is. :\
[03:16:36] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Rerun populateParentId from some IDs (English Wikipedia) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34981   +shell (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[03:16:52] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Can't expand collapsed sections (must run 'make remotes') - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34986  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[03:17:02] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Huge amount of debug spew during page save/load in app - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34989  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[03:17:08] <Reedy>	 /etc/init.d/apache2 restart
[03:17:14] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Android menu has no icon for 'Share' - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34990  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[03:18:23] <kajo_>	 Well, I've restarted, and I still have the basic apache "it works!" screen for the ip. :\
[03:18:47] <kajo_>	 Do I need to go manually delete the original index file that was there, perhaps?
[03:19:04] <Reedy>	 you might do, depending on priorities
[03:19:05] <Reedy>	 what's in the /var/www?
[03:19:53] <kajo_>	 http://paste.ubuntu.com/872475/
[03:20:39] <Reedy>	 delete the index.html and/or visit /index.php
[03:21:35] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Wrong diff when prevented section edit - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34929  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[03:21:51] <kajo_>	 I typed in "23.21.247.137/index.php" and was redirected to "http://23.21.247.137/a/Main_Page" (good sign) but the page shown was "Not Found
[03:21:52] <kajo_>	 The requested URL /a/Main_Page was not found on this server.
[03:21:52] <kajo_>	 Apache/2.2.20 (Ubuntu) Server at 23.21.247.137 Port 80"
[03:22:23] <Reedy>	 Did you install php and all the relevant modules?
[03:23:34] <kajo_>	 well, I install a LAMP stack before we started, so yes?
[03:23:58] <Reedy>	 presumably
[03:24:08] <kajo_>	 ran this: sudo tasksel install lamp-server
[03:24:25] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Handling of .js and .css pages post rename - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34930  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[03:25:04] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Self redirects should not be allowed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34932  normal->15enhancement (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[03:25:14] <sumanah>	 werdna: hey, got a moment?
[03:25:31] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Add a show Headers preference - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34942  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[03:25:32] <Reedy>	 Should be then...
[03:25:54] <kajo_>	 wait...
[03:26:06] <kajo_>	 ip/a/Main_Page
[03:26:17] <kajo_>	 that's a modification I made
[03:26:20] <kajo_>	 that's not the default
[03:26:20] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Getting parameter "afl_user" available for log events - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34946  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[03:26:29] <kajo_>	 could it be that that modification hasn't been copied?
[03:26:43] <kajo_>	 That would be in the... settings file, that main one, what was it?
[03:27:11] <Reedy>	 That should be in your apache config file, or a .htaccess file usuallly
[03:27:49] <kajo_>	 no, it was a mediawiki file...
[03:27:58] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) HTML codes are displayed instead of input method names - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34955  +comment (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[03:27:58] <kajo_>	 the primary one you always edit for little tweaks like that
[03:28:04] <Reedy>	 LocalSettings.php
[03:28:06] <kajo_>	 that one!
[03:28:12] <kajo_>	 Did I copy my old one over?
[03:28:16] <Reedy>	 yup
[03:28:16] <sumanah>	 aharoni, Dantman, could I ask you to take a look at a couple of patches from a prospective GSoC student?
[03:28:32] <kajo_>	 that's why it is properly converting it, of course--but is there a break in the chain somewhere?
[03:28:38] <Dantman>	 sumanah: Perhaps
[03:28:40] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) ApiSandbox instructions are unclear for certain parameters (titles, pageids, revids) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34962  normal->15enhancement (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[03:28:43] <Reedy>	 You do do some config in LocalSettings.. but that sort of stuff is webserver stuff
[03:28:45] <kajo_>	 so that once it converts, it can't find the file?
[03:28:57] <sumanah>	 Dantman: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=30796 and https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=34302 - feel free to say no, of course
[03:29:07] <Reedy>	 It seems something doesn't know about your rewrites
[03:29:11] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) XML title display problem - multiple occurrences. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35021 minor; Wikimedia: SVG rendering; (jordatech1)
[03:29:12] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) ApiSandbox partially remembers input values when navigating to another page and then going back - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34964  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[03:29:19] <kajo_>	 right, maybe in the database?
[03:29:20] <kajo_>	 oh
[03:29:22] <Reedy>	 nope
[03:29:36] <kajo_>	 wait, you said we need to create a mysql user for mediawiki to made edits
[03:29:46] <kajo_>	 didn't do that yet, I guess; would that come into play?
[03:29:54] <kajo_>	 make*
[03:29:58] <Reedy>	 You'd get a database error if that was the issue
[03:30:08] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) FeaturedFeeds API documentation is unclear - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34967  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[03:30:14] <Reedy>	 that's a 404
[03:30:23] <Reedy>	 As an aside, you've not got it setup in the "correct" way for doing pretty urls.... But that's something else for later
[03:30:26] <kajo_>	 I do have a 404
[03:30:30] <wikibugs>	 14(DUP) MediaWiki can not handle "rational" altitude info from EXIF - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35015  +comment (10Bawolff)
[03:30:31] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) MediaWiki api doesn't serve EXIF GPSAltitude (and other tags) as decimals - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/32410  +comment (10Bawolff)
[03:30:42] <Reedy>	 <?php require './index.php';
[03:30:45] <kajo_>	 Reedy, why not? I thought I did, made sure to add the /a/ buffer and everything....
[03:30:54] <sumanah>	 also, Dantman, have you gotten a Gerrit account yet?
[03:30:56] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) FeaturedFeeds documentation shouldn't be output in API if there are no configured feeds - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34968  normal->15enhancement (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[03:31:03] <Reedy>	 We say to put it in a subfolder of /w/, and then you can do prettyness ontop
[03:31:24] <kajo_>	 guy with the website wanted to take that out entirely, I told him it wasn't good practice--for exactly this reason, no? what's the difference between /w/ and /a/?
[03:31:27] <Dantman>	 sumanah: Had a labs acount for awhile... Ryan set me up with it when I mentioned wanting to change my svn pubkey
[03:31:39] <Reedy>	 you can use /a/, that's fine
[03:31:42] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) [Regression] PHP fatal error in SpecialWikiSets.php - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34979  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[03:32:00] <Ryan_Lane>	 sumanah: btw, it's fine to create accounts now. you werent on irc when I finished
[03:32:02] <Reedy>	 physically the files are in /var/www, they need to be in /var/www/somethingelse/
[03:32:19] <Reedy>	 and the /wiki you see in wikipedia etc is virtual
[03:32:26] <sumanah>	 ok, thanks Dantman & Ryan_Lane 
[03:32:37] <Reedy>	 create a file in /var/www/ called phpinfo.php
[03:32:39] <Reedy>	 with the contents
[03:32:43] <Reedy>	 <?php phpinfo();
[03:32:52] <Dantman>	 Ryan_Lane: Speaking of that... what happened to tying svn pubkeys to labs?
[03:32:57] <Reedy>	 can at least confirm php is working ont he server
[03:33:01] <Ryan_Lane>	 eh? what do you mean?
[03:33:09] <Ryan_Lane>	 they are
[03:33:13] <Ryan_Lane>	 automatically
[03:33:14] <Reedy>	 !prettyurl | kajo_
[03:33:15] <mw-bot>	 kajo_: To create simple URLs (such as the /wiki/PAGENAME style URLs on Wikimedia sites), follow the instructions at <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL>. There are instructions for most different webserver setups. If you have problems getting the rewrite rules to work, see !rewriteproblem
[03:33:17] <Reedy>	 if you want the reading ;)
[03:33:25] <Ryan_Lane>	 but. labs svn keys aren't necessarily linked back to svn
[03:33:30] <Ryan_Lane>	 we are killing svn off, why bother?
[03:33:51] <Dantman>	 Ryan_Lane: You gave me an answer like "I'll do that Monday" or something awhile ago.
[03:34:04] <Reedy>	 Today is not monday
[03:34:20] <Dantman>	 ;) awhile = proably several months
[03:34:22] <Ryan_Lane>	 yeah, and when dev decided to move to git, I decided to not do it
[03:34:28] <sumanah>	 Dantman: do you mean, making it so current SVN users can just have the keys LDAP-slurped to Labs?
[03:34:29] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) MediaWiki can not handle "rational" altitude info from EXIF - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35015  -upstream  (10Bawolff)
[03:34:39] <Ryan_Lane>	 I'm assuming that's what he means
[03:34:45] <kajo_>	 Reedy, anyways, I am getting 404
[03:35:03] <kajo_>	 thanks for the reading... will check it out
[03:35:20] <kajo_>	 I did follow instructions at the time, I presume the same ones. Was it different a year ago?
[03:35:22] <Dantman>	 It was something about fixing it so svn's pubkeys would auto-update.
[03:35:27] <Reedy>	 Nope...
[03:35:33] <Ryan_Lane>	 yeah. there's no point now
[03:35:36] <Reedy>	 But we do have 1001 versions of a similar thing
[03:35:38] <Ryan_Lane>	 so I never did it
[03:35:43] <sumanah>	 We will be killing SVN off *in a year*.  For the time being, as we make 350 accounts, I think it would be nice if people didn't have to add their keys manually again
[03:35:46] <Reedy>	 so it's possible you folllowed one guide
[03:35:56] <Ryan_Lane>	 sumanah: in a year? what do you mean?
[03:36:03] <Ryan_Lane>	 it's going to be read only for a year
[03:36:05] <sumanah>	 Ryan_Lane: no
[03:36:12] <Ryan_Lane>	 but not necessarily for ssh
[03:36:14] <sumanah>	 Ryan_Lane: non-WMF extensions will still be able to write after 21 March
[03:36:27] <Ryan_Lane>	 I have no plans on automating the key movement
[03:36:45] <Ryan_Lane>	 ok. let me change that response
[03:36:56] <Ryan_Lane>	 I didn't do it before because we have access issues
[03:37:18] <Ryan_Lane>	 by default, if someone has an account, with a key, there's a possibility they can modify some things in svn
[03:37:23] <Reedy>	 kajo_: as it's now after 3.30am for me.. I should probably go to bed
[03:37:31] <sumanah>	 (and even after we make SVN read-only, we'll probably leave the machine up as read-only for a few years before really killing it.  Chad said so)
[03:37:33] <Ryan_Lane>	 if we have self-registration, then it's problematic
[03:37:47] <Ryan_Lane>	 if we fix those issues, I'll turn on ldap -> svn sync
[03:37:56] <Ryan_Lane>	 read only will be http, not ssh
[03:38:24] <thetechexpert>	 How do I edit Special:Version? 
[03:38:31] <Reedy>	 thetechexpert: why do you want to?
[03:39:13] <thetechexpert>	 Reedy: To put a product under: Installed software 
[03:39:21] <sumanah>	 Ryan_Lane: is there any way for me to run a shell command or something to indicate "hey Gerrit, use the same ssh key that you already know about from the person's other account(s)"?  I may be conflating some stuffhere
[03:39:29] <Ryan_Lane>	 hm
[03:39:32] <Ryan_Lane>	 possibly
[03:39:34] <Ryan_Lane>	 lemme look
[03:39:50] <sumanah>	 Ryan_Lane: then we can add that to the "how to make a Labsconsole account, for existing SVN users" guide
[03:39:54] <kajo_>	 Reedy, thanks so much for all your help
[03:40:01] <sumanah>	 Ryan_Lane: and I can just do that when I make an account, and save the user some trouble
[03:40:22] <Reedy>	 !hook SoftwareInfo | thetechexpert
[03:40:22] <mw-bot>	 thetechexpert: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Hooks/SoftwareInfo
[03:40:37] <Reedy>	 thetechexpert: don't edit core files, use a hook
[03:40:46] <Ryan_Lane>	 hm. no. the only script that can do it will do it for everyone
[03:40:54] <thetechexpert>	 what is a hook?
[03:40:54] <Ryan_Lane>	 so I'm not going to mention which script that is :)
[03:41:01] <sumanah>	 Ryan_Lane: understood :-)
[03:41:02] <Reedy>	 !hook
[03:41:02] <mw-bot>	 http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Hooks/`e1
[03:41:02] <Ryan_Lane>	 though I guess root is required for it
[03:41:05] <Reedy>	 Fail
[03:41:14] <Reedy>	 I wonder if we have a description
[03:41:41] <thetechexpert>	 Found one: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Hooks
[03:41:47] <thetechexpert>	 thanks
[03:41:54] <Reedy>	 kajo_: chances are as it's mw specific/apache setup other people aronud will probably be able to help you out
[03:41:56] <Reedy>	 thetechexpert: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Hooks
[03:41:57] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) rel=canonical is implemented incorrectly - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35022 normal; MediaWiki: Redirects; (mediawiki-bugs)
[03:41:57] <Reedy>	 yeah
[03:43:01] <guillom>	 sumanah: do you want me to upload that whiteboard photo, or sending it to you by e-mail is enough?
[03:43:19] <sumanah>	 Ryan_Lane: obviously It Would Be Nice If people didn't have to jump their hurdle, or if we reminded them of "here's where you look to see all the keys you had on svn so you can remember to add them all in Gerrit"
[03:43:25] <sumanah>	 guillom: do you mind uploading?
[03:43:30] <guillom>	 sure
[03:43:35] <sumanah>	 jump *that* hurdle, I meant
[03:43:37] <guillom>	 Commons?
[03:43:37] <wikibugs>	 14(INVALID) Update documentation for Extension:TEST - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34996  summary; +comment (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[03:43:41] <sumanah>	 guillom: I'm fine with that
[03:43:44] <guillom>	 or office wiki?
[03:43:44] <guillom>	 ok
[03:43:59] <sumanah>	 guillom: is there anything really annoyingly impolitic in the whiteboard? :-)
[03:44:26] <guillom>	 Not that I can see.
[03:44:34] <sumanah>	 Then \o/
[03:44:48] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Update documentation for Extension:TEST - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34996  +comment (10mah)
[03:44:50] <sumanah>	 btw guillom I should probably leave the office :/
[03:44:59] <guillom>	 "Probably."
[03:45:14] <varnent>	 that does sound pretty subjective..
[03:45:23] <guillom>	 Today I behaved and left at 5:30
[03:45:26] <Reedy>	 sumanah: it's only 19.45
[03:45:29] <sumanah>	 Ha
[03:45:36] <Reedy>	 It's 03.45 here and I'm still working
[03:45:42] <sumanah>	 OK, leaving the office
[03:45:45] <guillom>	 Reedy: ah, but you're a machine.
[03:45:47] <varnent>	 I probably shouldn't spend the money on an iPad 3 - yet there I'll be..
[03:46:16] <guillom>	 varnent: oh, is it coming out tomorrow? I saw something about that and thought I'd go take pictures at the SF Apple store.
[03:46:41] <varnent>	 guillom: it's being announced in SF tmrw - but probably not out until next Friday
[03:46:43] <guillom>	 (Even though I still haven't uploaded my photos of the hommage to Steve Jobs from October)
[03:46:47] <thetechexpert>	 I got this: Warning: call_user_func_array() [function.call-user-func-array]: First argument is expected to be a valid callback, 'MyExtensionHooks::TechEssentials Version: 7.2' was given in H:\www\mediawiki\includes\Hooks.php on line 133
[03:46:51] <guillom>	 varnent: ah, ok. Thanks.
[03:46:55] <varnent>	 but it's Apple - so who really knows..
[03:47:03] <thetechexpert>	 Reedy
[03:47:45] <varnent>	 guillom: it's possible they already know who wants one and will be charging our bank accts tmrw at 2:30P for us knowing we'll gladly swing by and pick it up tmrw night  :)
[03:47:58] <guillom>	 heh
[03:48:57] <varnent>	 guillom: "oh - and one more thing - there's someone standing outside your door right now waiting to hand you the one we already sold you"
[03:49:25] * guillom  is more of an Android guy tbh.

[03:49:49] <Reedy>	 thetechexpert: http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/extensions/SoftwareVersion/SoftwareVersion.php?view=markup
[03:50:01] <varnent>	 their whole OS deployment scheme has finally pushed me over the edge with Google
[03:50:08] <Reedy>	 Look how it is done in function efAddShoutWikiInfo( &$software ) {
[03:50:29] <varnent>	 I liked the idea of Android..lol..until I was on a team developing for it..now I have a loathing dislike for it
[03:50:32] <Reedy>	 $software['softwarename'] = 'Version';
[03:52:00] <Reedy>	 Right, I'm out for n hours
[04:02:15] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Failure in the spam blacklist when a protocol is not specified - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35023 major; MediaWiki extensions: Spam Blacklist; (marcosoconnor)
[04:06:36] <Joan>	 Heh.
[04:22:38] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Uploading stuck about 1-2 minutes on "Finished!" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34997  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[04:25:15] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) <ref> doesn't expand triple-brace template parameters - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34999  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[04:31:11] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) [SPL] Displays image unintentionally when there are no subpages to list - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35000  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[04:33:01] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Links to create pages broken on mobile site - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35009  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[04:35:06] <evol_>	 hi all, I've got some basic problems with MediaWiki install @ centos 6
[04:36:10] <evol_>	 i finish the process, put LocalSettings.php where it's supposed to be, but stilll get "installation process" on the link
[04:36:28] <evol_>	 any ideas?
[04:42:33] <evol_>	 anyone?
[04:44:28] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Language conversion is not applied in documents delivered by the Collection extension - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34919  +comment (10yaoziyuan)
[04:44:33] <Joan>	 What happens if you navigate to /index.php.
[04:44:53] <Joan>	 ? *
[04:45:19] <Joan>	 evol_: What happens if you navigate to the location of the root index.php?
[04:45:28] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Language conversion is not applied in documents delivered by the Collection extension - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34919  +comment (10yaoziyuan)
[04:46:28] <evol_>	 joan : "MediaWiki 1.18.1 installation"
[04:46:53] <Joan>	 And there were no errors when going through the installer?
[04:47:05] <evol_>	 no, completed
[04:47:13] <Joan>	 You did it via the UI?
[04:47:26] <evol_>	 yes, the installer (i'm still pointed at)
[04:47:28] <Joan>	 Or did you install via the commandline?
[04:47:30] <Joan>	 Hmm.
[04:47:50] <evol_>	 :S first-time install. thought it looked too easy
[04:48:00] <Joan>	 Maybe file permissions of LocalSettings.php? I don't know how index.php detects the file being there already.
[04:48:12] <Joan>	 If you don't have read permissions, maybe it treats that it as "go back to installer"?
[04:48:26] <Joan>	 You put LocalSettings.php in the root folder, right?
[04:48:35] <Joan>	 Next to index.php and the extensions directory and all that?
[04:48:51] <Joan>	 I think you have to download it in your browser nowadays and then re-upload it to the server or something.
[04:48:58] <Joan>	 It's been a while since I've installed MediaWiki.
[04:50:59] <evol_>	 joan : it's in the right folder, and I've 777 it, but it's the same
[04:51:48] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Global lock seems to affect a different user from the its target - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35011  +comment (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[04:52:17] <Joan>	 http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Thread:Project:Support_desk/Cannot_seem_to_install_MediaWiki_1.18.1_on_CentOS_5
[04:52:43] <Joan>	 Sounds like a different issue.
[04:52:46] <Joan>	 Dunno.
[04:54:03] <evol_>	 ah crap, I think I got something
[04:54:21] <evol_>	 at all : I think this is a bit confusing
[04:54:39] <evol_>	 I go through the "wizard" and get an issue of LocalSettings.php
[04:55:12] <evol_>	 ofcourse I'm not doing the wizard on the server (same computer as I'm installing the thing to), so I wget the link at server...
[04:55:27] <evol_>	 ...but I seem to have gotten something else there for some reason (session? x)
[04:56:21] <evol_>	 #1, this i a bit counter-intuitive. #2, it should be recognised that my LocalSettings.php was not what it's supposed to be (got a html file instead of a php)
[04:56:41] <Joan>	 I'm not sure what you're saying.
[04:56:51] <Joan>	 You think the installer is counter-intuitive?
[04:57:41] <evol_>	 yes. when you finish setup, you get to download the LocalSettings.php file ... but if you're setting this up for another computer, you might be tempted to wget it as I did on that computer. that yielded a different file - not the one generated, for some reason.
[04:58:21] <Joan>	 Sounds like you outsmarted yourself there.
[05:00:17] <evol_>	 it works now. yay. / I think these two issues should be filed somewhere. #2 looks pretty serious to me
[05:06:23] <JRWR>	 Who knew there was half a IRC bot in mediawiki
[05:13:26] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Including Special:PendingChanges changes title when there is no item to show - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35014  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[05:14:47] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Projects like wiktionary should be able to load javascript modules in MobileFrontend - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35018  normal->15enhancement (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[05:17:20] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) XML title display problem - multiple occurrences. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35021  +comment (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[05:18:37] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) rel=canonical is implemented incorrectly - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35022  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[05:19:33] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Failure in the spam blacklist when a protocol is not specified - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35023  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[05:21:41] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) [Regression] Edit summary shouldn't be parsed as wikitext into html in e-mail notifications - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35019  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[05:23:32] <codurr>	 03santhosh * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/113215> 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/ (3 files in 2 dirs):
[05:23:32] <codurr>	 AggregateGroups needs an entry for $wgSpecialPageGroups
[05:23:32] <codurr>	 And special page title message changes.
[05:23:32] <codurr>	 Ping r113032
[05:53:20] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Edit summary for moves should not include username - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34961  (10fuhghettaboutit)
[06:31:03] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) syntax error in SQL string to executed because of quoted tablename - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35024 normal; MediaWiki extensions: Semantic MediaWiki; (BugZilla.MediaWiki)
[06:48:22] <codurr>	 03santhosh * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/113216> 10/trunk/extensions/WebFonts/ (30 files in 8 dirs):
[06:48:22] <codurr>	 Update Lohit Family fonts to new version 2.5.1.
[06:48:22] <codurr>	 Add Lohit Nepali and Lohit Marathi as new fonts for ne and mr respectively.
[06:49:53] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) syntax errors in SQL statement to delete unused properties according to PostgreSQL - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35025 normal; MediaWiki extensions: Semantic MediaWiki; (BugZilla.MediaWiki)
[06:53:10] <codurr>	 03santhosh * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/113217> 10/trunk/extensions/WebFonts/fonts/Deva/ (Lohit-Marathi.ttf Lohit-Nepali.ttf): Followup r113216 Mimetype fixes, add TTF version of Lohit Marathi
[07:02:00] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) Polish Planet Wikimedia stopped updating - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34268  +comment (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[07:14:59] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) {{GENDER:|}} does not work for message MediaWiki:Watchlist-details on Special:Watchlist - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34987  +comment (10niklas.laxstrom)
[07:22:21] <codurr>	 New code comment: Nikerabbit; Was this fix successful?; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/113132#c31913>
[07:23:21] <codurr>	 New code comment: Nikerabbit; It's not only for pages!; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/113135#c31914>
[07:31:31] <freakolowsky>	 lo
[07:31:55] <rpg32>	 why are title objects created through static functions? why not just do all the required text processing through the constructor?
[07:33:41] <hashar>	 rpg32: I guess that is easier to handle the various construction possibilities that way
[07:34:24] <rpg32>	 you mean like the newfromurl and what not
[07:34:42] <rpg32>	 yea, i guess that makes sense
[07:35:03] <hashar>	 one issue is that PHP does not support polymorphism
[07:35:23] <rpg32>	 why does that matter?
[07:35:34] <hashar>	 though we could handle that in __construct() with a huge eerie of if / else 
[07:35:43] <freakolowsky>	 let's not
[07:35:51] <codurr>	 New code comment: Amire80; > The term 'oversight' was determined by the community, which feels strongly we should continue to u; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/113076#c31915>
[07:36:35] <wikibugs>	 14(DUP) <ref> doesn't expand triple-brace template parameters - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34999  +comment (10Krinkle)
[07:36:44] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Pre-save transform skips extensions using wikitext (gallery, references, footnotes, Cite, pipe trick, subst, signatures) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/2700  +comment (10Krinkle)
[07:36:52] <codurr>	 New code comment: Nikerabbit; You don't need the array there. You can write it like this: \ wfMessage( 'articlefeedbackv5-activity-; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/113160#c31916>
[07:37:50] <rpg32>	 ok, so it is probably just a more efficient way of doing things then... i am just trying to understand the code and that made me a little curious
[07:41:17] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Language conversion is not applied in documents delivered by the Collection extension - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34919  +comment (10volker.haas)
[07:42:21] <codurr>	 New code comment: Nikerabbit; Before doing more of this, we should fix bug 34987.; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/113178#c31917>
[07:48:46] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) GeSHi-generated blocks should use <pre> style for the container - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/19416  +comment (10niklas.laxstrom)
[07:48:47] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) "oversighter", "oversight", "unoversight", "hide" and "unhide" messages are very unclear - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35026 major; MediaWiki extensions: ArticleFeedbackv5; (amir.aharoni)
[07:52:11] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Language conversion is not applied in documents delivered by the Collection extension - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34919  +comment (10yaoziyuan)
[07:57:34] <codurr>	 03siebrand * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/113218> 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/MessageGroups.php: Follow-up r113135: Update return value documentation.
[07:58:39] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) GeSHi-generated blocks should use <pre> style for the container - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/19416  +comment (10krinklemail)
[08:00:10] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) [TestSwarm] "Invalid query: The total number of locks exceeds the lock table size" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34886  +comment (10Antoine "hashar" Musso)
[08:00:36] <codurr>	 New code comment: Siebrand; Yes. This is the test scenario: \ # Create a translatable page "X". Make sure to add &lt;languages/> ; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/113132#c31918>
[08:00:41] <wikibugs>	 03(VERIFIED) [TestSwarm] "Invalid query: The total number of locks exceeds the lock table size" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34886  (10Krinkle)
[08:10:12] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) {{GENDER:|}} does not work for message MediaWiki:Watchlist-details on Special:Watchlist - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34987  +comment (10Siebrand)
[08:12:07] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) unicode display bug - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34921  +comment (10miauk3)
[08:13:14] <codurr>	 03christian * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/113219> 10/trunk/extensions/VisualEditor/modules/ve/ce/ (ve.ce.Content.js ve.ce.LeafNode.js ve.ce.Surface.js): adding autoRender property to SurfaceView to enable/disable automatic rendering of view when model is updated
[08:14:40] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Enable WebFonts on the Burmese Wikipedia (mywiki) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34817  +comment (10Niklas Laxström)
[08:18:06] <codurr>	 New code comment: Fomafix; Wrong encoding: \ -* Norwegian (bokmål) (nb) (renamed from no). \ +* Norwegian (bokmÃ¥l) (nb) (rena; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/113197#c31919>
[08:21:43] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Process: Call to undefined method SMWDIWikiPage::getTypeID() - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35003  +comment (10mario.schubert)
[08:32:43] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Create sql update for testswarm debian package (v0.2) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35027 normal; Wikimedia: Testing Infrastructure; (krinklemail)
[08:48:36] <codurr>	 New code comment: Siebrand; Just tested again, and this does *NOT* have the expected result for some reason.; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/113132#c31920>
[08:49:11] <cjs>	 WRT the squid server settings, what is "purging," as in, e.g., wgSquidServersNoPurge?
[08:50:14] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Get some statistics about testswarm db usage - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35028 enhancement; Wikimedia: Testing Infrastructure; (krinklemail)
[08:50:19] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Get some statistics about testswarm db usage - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35028  (10Krinkle)
[08:50:37] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Get some statistics about testswarm db performance - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35028  summary (10Krinkle)
[08:50:42] <cjs>	 Well, maybe you can just give me general hints. I'm using lighttpd as a proxy in front of the Apache running MediaWiki. What do I do to handle the IP address problem, and are there any other problems I need to handle, given that lighttpd isn't doing any caching?
[09:01:12] <cjs>	 So I think I need set only $wgSquidServers?
[09:05:13] <cjs>	 From reading the code, it looks like that's it.
[09:05:47] <codurr>	 03zaran * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/113220> 10/trunk/extensions/ProofreadPage/ProofreadPage_body.php: Bug 34821 - Pages names were escaped twice, which created wrong queries for filenames with quotes
[09:06:32] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) HTML codes are displayed instead of input method names - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34955  +comment (10mgharish)
[09:09:39] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) Purging index page blanks bar graph in Special:IndexPages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34821  +comment (10Zaran)
[09:32:42] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Add email-verified or email-not-verified class to email options - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34302  (10Antoine "hashar" Musso)
[09:56:02] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Add CSS classes to email fields in user preferences - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34302  summary; +comment (10Antoine "hashar" Musso)
[09:56:05] <cjs>	 I've installed a new fresh version of media wiki and used  importDump.php to import a dump of the old wiki, but some information does not seem to have been restored. Many pages were restored, but not the Main page, nor were any of the users restored. How do I get back a copy as close as possible to what was on the other server when I did the dump?
[09:56:26] <codurr>	 03hashar * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/113221> 10/trunk/phase3/ (7 files in 5 dirs):
[09:56:27] <codurr>	 (bug 34302) Add CSS classes to email fields in user preferences
[09:56:27] <codurr>	 Patch by Nischay Nahata whom I have mentored earlier this week.
[09:57:04] <nischayn22>	 hashar: hi
[09:58:03] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) Add CSS classes to email fields in user preferences - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34302  +comment (10Antoine "hashar" Musso)
[09:58:16] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Add CSS classes to email fields in user preferences - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34302  -need-review +reviewed (10Antoine "hashar" Musso)
[09:58:17] <hashar>	 nischayn22: hello :)
[09:58:25] <hashar>	 nischayn22: I have applied your patch :-)
[09:58:45] <hashar>	 you can see the corrected version at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/113221
[09:59:12] <hashar>	 I have changed the color you have been used to match those in special.changeemail
[09:59:20] <cjs>	 It looks like the user information is not even in the dump. Uh oh!
[09:59:21] <hashar>	 fixed a minor issue, a string was missing double quotes
[09:59:28] <cjs>	 Is doing a dump not the correct way to back up a wiki?
[09:59:32] <hashar>	 cjs: we do not dump the user table
[10:00:01] <cjs>	 Well, it won't kill users to have to re-register, but I'd rather avoid that if at all possible. And there's still the issue of the Main page.
[10:00:05] <hashar>	 nischayn22: I have also updated tests I have sent some days  ago
[10:00:32] <nischayn22>	 hashar: Oh! so that was my first patch to mediawiki has been applied :)
[10:00:46] <hashar>	 yes!!
[10:00:53] <hashar>	 CONGRATULATIONS !!!!!!!!
[10:01:40] <hashar>	 cjs: what are you doing to dump the DB ?
[10:01:44] <cjs>	 is "Main page" always the top page for all wikis?
[10:01:54] <nischayn22>	 hashar: Thanks for your guidance, I know what I did was the least but yes I learned a lot :)
[10:02:16] <hashar>	 nischayn22: that is the whole point. I myself started by fixing typo in the french translation file
[10:02:29] <hashar>	 nischayn22: and now I am working as a developer for the foundation :-)))
[10:02:39] <hashar>	 just keep up trying and keep asking questions
[10:02:48] <nischayn22>	 hashar: when did you start?
[10:03:01] <hashar>	 back in 2004 as a volunteer
[10:03:08] <cjs>	 hashar: /usr/bin/env - php-cli 2>&1 ../maintenance/dumpBackup.php --full --quiet --output=bzip2:ggwiki-dump.xml.bz2
[10:04:01] <hashar>	 cjs: great. Well that script has been made to generate public dumps
[10:04:05] <hashar>	 we should probably rename it
[10:04:21] <cjs>	 The old production system is no longer on line. I *may* be able to get a MySQL dump of the db itself, but the new production system is using SQLite.
[10:04:34] <cjs>	 Ah. I was not aware it was for public consumption.
[10:04:48] <hashar>	 MediaWiki is heavily biased toward wikipedia usage :-(
[10:04:58] <hashar>	 so sometime you might have some misleading names floating around
[10:04:59] <hashar>	 :-D
[10:05:36] <cjs>	 Hm. The dump I have does have Main page in it. Why did that not restore? Because there was already a Main page in the existing DB?
[10:05:54] <hashar>	 might be
[10:06:33] <cjs>	 Oh, wait, the revision history shows the old data. Hmm.
[10:07:04] <cjs>	 With the revisions from the install at the top. Seems I need to just go back a few revisions.
[10:07:40] <hashar>	 codurr: ping
[10:07:41] <codurr>	 03hashar * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/113222> 10/trunk/phase3/maintenance/dumpBackup.php:
[10:07:41] <codurr>	 warn that dumpBackup does not actually backup the wiki!
[10:07:41] <codurr>	 The user table is not dumped by that tool. The warning notice makes it clear
[10:07:41] <codurr>	 and will avoid someone having some trouble recovering his precious private
[10:07:42] <codurr>	 data.
[10:08:04] <hashar>	 cjs: I have amended the script with a big warning
[10:08:08] <cjs>	 hashar: Is there any easy way to do that? Or should I just show the previous revision, edit, cut, and paste. Or maybe just delete the page and restore again?
[10:08:15] <hashar>	 for actual backup, have a look at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Backup
[10:08:25] <cjs>	 hashar: Thanks! It's nice to see such a fast response to problems like this.
[10:08:34] <hashar>	 nischayn22: you could become an experienced MediaWiki in much less time than I :)
[10:08:53] <hashar>	 nischayn22: I had a career in networking before engaging with the foundation :-D
[10:09:11] <hashar>	 cjs: you are just lucky to have someone available on IRC :-]]]]
[10:09:19] <hashar>	 European mornings are really quiet
[10:10:07] <hashar>	 hopefully we will soon have indian people to talk with :-]]
[10:10:13] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Enable WebFonts on the Burmese Wikipedia (mywiki) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34817  +comment (10slayeroflion)
[10:11:21] <cjs>	 Heh. Anyway, 1) thoughts on the main page thing? (I'm about to edit the db, I guess.) and 2) what might I do about getting a full restore?
[10:12:17] <cjs>	 Actually, looking at it more closely, maybe editing the DB is not the best idea....
[10:13:20] <nischayn22>	 hashar: when will the code be deployed on the wikimedia website ?
[10:13:44] <hashar>	 the revision needs to be reviewed first
[10:13:49] <cjs>	 Does "rollback" actually delete a revision, or apply a new revision that just reverses the change of the previous revision?
[10:14:01] <codurr>	 03nikerabbit * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/113223> 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ (Message.php SpecialPage.php):
[10:14:01] <codurr>	 My proposed fix to bug 34987: gender not working in many special pages.
[10:14:01] <codurr>	 I haven't checked if there are other places whereh context is set to Message class, but if there are they might need a fix too.
[10:14:24] <hashar>	 nischayn22: which mean some other developers will verify the code again.  Then the revision will be deployed the next time we do a code update of the website
[10:14:36] <hashar>	 nischayn22: there is no date plannified yet
[10:14:59] <hashar>	 cjs: the later IIRC
[10:15:18] <nischayn22>	 hashar: hmm. Its very cool to see my name on the credits!
[10:15:23] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) {{GENDER:|}} does not work for message MediaWiki:Watchlist-details on Special:Watchlist - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34987  +comment (10niklas.laxstrom)
[10:15:25] <cjs>	 hashar: Yup, it seems so.
[10:15:43] <hashar>	 nischayn22: a privilege only allowed to people who submitted patches. Some authors are missing though unfortunately :(
[10:16:08] <cjs>	 Well, we'll try a delete and an import. I wonder if that will double up all the revisions on the other pages, though.
[10:16:49] <hashar>	 Nikerabbit: remember the Sanskrit wiki not showing the title in the <title></title> HTML?
[10:16:59] <hashar>	 Nikerabbit: I have merged and applied https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/113039 on live site
[10:17:13] <hashar>	 Nikerabbit: but it did not fix the issue. I suspect an i18n cache that would need a refresh somewhere
[10:17:25] <hashar>	 Nikerabbit: do you have any idea?
[10:18:12] <hashar>	 nischayn22: time to find a new bug to fix to learn new thing :)
[10:18:57] <cjs>	 Yes, delete and reload worked, and didn't affect the other pages (esp. their histories) that had already been loaded.
[10:19:01] <nischayn22>	 hashar: currently I am trying to learn developing Extensions
[10:19:32] <hashar>	 nischayn22: we have an hello world extension somewhere
[10:19:34] <cjs>	 rebuildrecentchanges.php doesn't seem to have done the trick, though. Or is that just because it doesn't go back more than a couple of months or whatever?
[10:19:40] <nischayn22>	 hashar: I have a proposal for the  Extension:CentralNotice
[10:19:52] <cjs>	 (I've got a few recent changes from today, then nothing; the changes previous to that started sometime last year, I guess.)
[10:20:02] <nischayn22>	 hashar: yes its there on the Tutorial
[10:20:14] <hashar>	 cjs: I have no idea. You will have to look at the code.  Maybe it only look for revision that are less than 30 days  (which is probably a global configuration setting)
[10:20:18] <hashar>	 nischayn22: good!
[10:21:52] <hashar>	 cjs: probably wgRCMaxAge
[10:22:19] <hashar>	 which is 13 days per default
[10:22:26] <hashar>	 so anything older is probably dropped
[10:22:53] <hashar>	 source is rebuildRecentChangesTablePass1() in maintenance/rebuildrecentchanges.php
[10:26:45] <hashar>	 Nikerabbit: ping ? :)
[10:27:20] <cjs>	 hashar: Ok, no problem with that.
[10:27:41] <nischayn22>	 The Url to check-out Example extension is not valid anymore https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/How_to_become_a_MediaWiki_hacker/Extension_Writing_Tutorial
[10:28:06] <cjs>	 Grr. I've lost the uploaded images, too. I copied over the old images directory, but though the files are they, they no longer appear on the pages to which they were uploaded.
[10:28:17] <cjs>	 I guess maybe that wasn't in the dump, either?
[10:28:23] <p858snake|l>	 nischayn22: It got moved over to git
[10:29:10] <nischayn22>	 p858snake|I : could you give me the new link?
[10:31:41] <hashar>	 nischayn22:  http://svn.wikimedia.org/svnroot/mediawiki/trunk/extensions/examples/
[10:31:46] <hashar>	 it was moved around
[10:32:36] <codurr>	 New code comment: Hashar; That broke the tutorial on https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/How_to_become_a_MediaWiki_hacker/Extension; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111789#c31921>
[10:33:38] <hashar>	  p858snake|l   the <source> makes it harder to read :-(
[10:34:13] <hashar>	 we should probably add some line break before and after
[10:34:26] <codurr>	 03nikerabbit * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/113224> 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/PageTranslation.i18n.php: Replace title case with lower case
[10:35:00] <p858snake|l>	 hashar: gah... I swear that used to just do the colouring in preboxes by default...
[10:35:26] <Nikerabbit>	 hashar: hi
[10:35:29] <hashar>	 I think I have read a bug report about that p858snake|l 
[10:35:32] <hashar>	 that is probably broken
[10:35:46] <nischayn22>	 hashar: I am correcting it on the tutorial page. Is that fine?
[10:35:47] <Nikerabbit>	 hashar: did you run sync-file?
[10:35:53] <hashar>	 Nikerabbit: yes
[10:36:01] <hashar>	 Nikerabbit: should I scap ?
[10:36:21] <hashar>	 nischayn22: sure!   but p858snake|l is making change to the page to
[10:36:29] <hashar>	 nischayn22: check with him
[10:36:41] <nischayn22>	 hashar: ok
[10:36:55] <p858snake|l>	 you can revert that, i'm not fighing with geshi tonight
[10:37:09] <hashar>	 ;))
[10:37:21] <hashar>	 well someone will eventually fix it one day
[10:37:30] <hashar>	 nischayn22: just update the URLs everywhere :B
[10:37:32] <p858snake|l>	 I nominate Reedy to do it >.>
[10:37:41] <hashar>	 Nikerabbit: let s talk about it in #wikimedia-dev
[10:39:25] <nischayn22>	 p858snake|I : The modified tutorial page is looking weird
[10:40:39] <p858snake|l>	 because of all the pretty colours? yeah just undo my edit
[10:41:00] <hashar>	 browse in history, select the revision before and press save :)
[10:41:04] <hashar>	 that will override it
[10:41:39] <p858snake|l>	 or hit undo next to Peachey88's edit
[10:42:22] <jubo2>	 Hi. I need to put out site-wide notice to be proper and mention that the wiki is in lockdown.. there is a way to put a text up there that doesn't show up in search engines then..
[10:42:38] <jubo2>	 $wgSiteWideNotice or something similar...
[10:43:32] <jubo2>	 I imagine I've in my lazyness to not to mention about the lock-down so someone might hit the "edit" button and _only then_ get told that anonymous and user cannot edit. only sysop can edit
[10:44:14] <jubo2>	 btw. check out the updated to 2012 plans at http://develop.consumerium.org/wiki/Voting
[10:44:20] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) SH Geshi's code boxes no longer look like pre's by default - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35029 normal; MediaWiki extensions: SyntaxHighlight (GeSHi); (p858snake)
[10:44:32] <jubo2>	 In April will be 10 yrs of development effort party :D
[10:47:36] <codurr>	 New code comment: Hashar; Even after March 6th 20:30 scap, it did not fix the issue on sa.wikipedia :-/; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/113039#c31922>
[10:48:25] <nischayn22>	 did the editing now looks fine!
[10:53:12] <jubo2>	 foundit!
[10:55:44] <wikibugs>	 04(REOPENED) <title> is empty in the Sanskrit Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34938  +comment (10Antoine "hashar" Musso)
[10:57:08] <hashar>	 nischayn22: please note you can submit patch for the examples extensions
[11:08:54] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) <title> is empty in the Sanskrit Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34938  +comment (10hashar)
[11:12:17] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) "Enable dialogs for inserting links, tables and more" preference is confusing - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/30796  -need-review ; +comment (10Amir E. Aharoni)
[11:14:12] <aharoni>	 hashar: about the <title> bug in sa.wikipedia - i suspect that it may have something to do with the fact that this message existed there in the past and was deleted.
[11:14:18] <aharoni>	 just a gut feeling.
[11:14:39] <hashar>	 we are talking about it in #wikimedia-dev
[11:26:51] <codurr>	 New code comment: MaxSem; Looks a bit contradictory to other chained-call function names which don't start with <tt>set</tt>.; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/113223#c31923>
[11:28:00] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) <title> is empty in the Sanskrit Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34938  +comment (10hashar)
[11:37:36] <codurr>	 New code comment: IAlex; <code>Message::setInterfaceMessageFlag()</code> is good, but I would rather call it with <code>true<; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/113223#c31924>
[11:38:36] <codurr>	 New code comment: Nikerabbit; I had makeInterfaceMessage, isInterfaceMessage (look like getter) and interfaceMessage and some othe; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/113223#c31925>
[11:40:51] <codurr>	 New code comment: Nikerabbit; It makes sense for the context provider to define the correct value, since it should know what is th; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/113223#c31926>
[11:45:25] <codurr>	 03santhosh * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/113225> 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/tag/ (2 files):
[11:45:25] <codurr>	 Clear the associated metadata when a translatable page is deleted.
[11:45:25] <codurr>	 Move the associated metadata when a translatable page is moved.
[11:47:52] <codurr>	 New code comment: Santhosh.thottingal; Moving to new status since the issue is with caching.; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/113141#c31927>
[12:07:07] <codurr>	 03nad * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/113226> 10/trunk/extensions/TreeAndMenu/star.js: tidy up jQuery css statements
[12:13:47] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Moving page triggers HTTP 500 on zhwiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35030 major; MediaWiki: Special pages; (liangent)
[12:21:11] <nischayn22_>	 aharoni: I didn't get what you meant by the comment on bug https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=30796
[12:24:59] <aharoni>	 nischayn22: about i18n: there are messages in the *.i18n.php files that aren't needed after this patch is applied.
[12:25:14] <aharoni>	 so they should be removed in all languages.
[12:27:38] <nischayn22_>	 aharoni: ok and what about the conditional buttons? I have removed the preferences.
[12:27:38] <aharoni>	 also, it still says dialogs = true, but it shouldn't even checked whether it's true or not. it should just always display these dialogs and buttons.
[12:29:17] <nischayn22_>	 aharoni: are you saying about this part https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/attachment.cgi?id=10164&action=diff#WikiEditor/WikiEditor.php_sec1
[12:30:03] <nischayn22_>	 aharoni: I have set global=true and user=false so that the user no longer has control
[12:43:51] <aharoni>	 nischayn22: my understanding is that if a variable is true by default and the user has now way to change it, then it shouldn't be there at all. give me a second to check it...
[12:46:04] <nischayn22_>	 aharoni: I think the global and user variables are used in to check if the feature is user controlled or not, so I didn't remove it
[13:02:23] <nischayn22_>	 what is the best way to remove messages from a *.i18n file having messages in multiple languages?
[13:06:50] <aharoni>	 nischayn22: did you see the file?
[13:07:09] <nischayn22_>	 aharoni: yes
[13:08:07] <nischayn22_>	 aharoni:  even the feature hidesig has user=false
[13:08:11] <aharoni>	 well, you can just remove the lines with this message key one-by-one,
[13:08:33] <aharoni>	 or write a regular expression that removes them all at once.
[13:08:43] <aharoni>	 most Linux test editors have such features.
[13:08:53] <sDrewth>	 does anyone know if the AbuseFilter command "contains_any" can take a regex?
[13:08:57] <nischayn22_>	 aharoni: regular expression will be required for that
[13:09:42] <nischayn22_>	 aharoni: and what about the other files, should I remove the user variable?
[13:09:52] <aharoni>	 yes, if you want to do it quickly and efficiently... or you could just go over each language and delete it.
[13:10:28] <aharoni>	 i am trying to understand what good are variables that are true by default and can't be changed by the user...
[13:11:05] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Change decimal separators for numbers in Kurdish - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35031 normal; MediaWiki: Internationalization; (ghybu.w)
[13:12:37] <nischayn22_>	 aharoni: I think the isEnabled function checks that variable and so it shouldn't be removed. Also it gives easy understanding that the features are not user controlled
[13:14:40] <aharoni>	 Yeah, i'm thinking that maybe isEnabled just shouldn't be called for this.
[13:14:57] <aharoni>	 It is called for some other features that the user cannot control. It seems a bit pointless to me, but maybe i'm missing something.
[13:22:17] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) UploadFromStash is broken in 1.18.1 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35032 major; MediaWiki: Images and files; (vitalif)
[13:42:03] <nischayn22_>	 aharoni: Thanks to notepad++  It removed all the lines from i18n file pretty easily
[13:48:58] <_NiC>	 When I use the Special:Import page to import an xml that contains a page that already exists, what happens? Is my current one overwritten by the one in the imported xml?
[13:49:09] <nischayn22_>	 aharoni: should I submit the patch again with i18n lines removed or do you have any advice for the feature variables also?
[13:49:21] <potter>	 i wanted to use the library imagick in an API..but i m getting class imagicknot found.should i incluse it somewhere?
[13:49:25] <potter>	 include*
[13:49:55] <aharoni>	 nischayn22: yes, submit it, the feature fixes can be submitted later.
[13:50:19] <nischayn22_>	 aharoni: cool
[13:51:30] <potter>	 ?
[13:55:40] <potter>	 While dealing with images is there any particular class in MW to be used?
[13:55:52] <codurr>	 03jdlrobson * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/113227> 10/trunk/extensions/MobileFrontend/ (javascripts/opensearch.js stylesheets/common.css):
[13:55:52] <codurr>	 correctly align search results in opensearch.js
[13:55:52] <codurr>	 padding was changed to search and broke alignment
[13:55:52] <codurr>	 added some notes to css to hopefully avoid future
[13:55:53] <codurr>	 problems
[14:05:31] <codurr>	 03emsmith * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/113228> 10/trunk/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5/api/ApiViewActivityArticleFeedbackv5.php: bug 34090 - followup to r113160
[14:08:18] <codurr>	 03nikerabbit * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/113229> 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/MessageGroups.php:
[14:08:18] <codurr>	 Deprecating $wgTranslateGroupStructure.
[14:08:18] <codurr>	 The message group tree is now only based on aggregate groups and their subgroups.
[14:08:19] <codurr>	 Cycles not allowed, but one group can have multiple parents and thus occur more than once in the tree in difference places.
[14:08:20] <codurr>	 Will remove the global variable and other related code in later commit.
[14:09:56] <codurr>	 03yaron * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/113230> 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/includes/SF_FormPrinter.php: Attempted fix for problem when calling the refreshLinks script; also some minor formatting improvements
[14:13:38] <potter>	 i have a url of a image and i wanted to perate on image.but when i use php functoins on that image, i am getting that its not valid image.
[14:13:55] <potter>	 so i guess i have to get the original address of the image?how to do that in MW?
[14:14:56] <potter>	 my image link is -http://localhost/mediawiki/index.php/File:image.bmp
[14:19:21] <Nikerabbit>	 I need a command line command to remove line from multiple files matching a pattern
[14:19:48] <saper>	 Nikerabbit: sed -e '/pattern/d' 
[14:20:11] <saper>	 does your sed have -i option?
[14:21:07] <saper>	 in /bin/sh something like that: cat list-of-file-name  | while read F; do sed -i.orig -e '/pattern/d'; done
[14:21:40] <MaxSem>	 is there no convenient mass file modification tool?
[14:22:00] <saper>	 MaxSem: wolfram alpha?
[14:22:16] <Nikerabbit>	 saper: what does -i do?
[14:22:37] <saper>	 Nikerabbit: backup original file to file.orig and then do sed < file.orig > file
[14:22:40] <domas>	 cat | while read F? 
[14:22:46] <saper>	 domas: yes
[14:22:51] <saper>	 or < F
[14:22:52] <domas>	 for i in $(<list); do ..; done :)
[14:22:54] <liangent>	 Nikerabbit: grep -v ?
[14:23:02] <Nikerabbit>	 liangent: that doesn't modify files
[14:23:19] <codurr>	 03emsmith * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/113231> 10/trunk/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5/ArticleFeedbackv5.i18n.php:
[14:23:19] <codurr>	 bug 35026 - attempt to make more meaningful messages for translatable strings -
[14:23:19] <codurr>	 "request oversight" (ask an oversighter to delete something) "un-request
[14:23:19] <codurr>	 oversight" (remove request for an oversighter to delete something) "decline
[14:23:20] <saper>	 domas: sure no special characters and spaces in list?
[14:23:20] <codurr>	 oversight" (the oversighter found the feedback appropriate and denied the
[14:23:21] <codurr>	 oversight request) "oversight" (oversighter marks as deleted) "unoversight"
[14:23:22] <codurr>	 (oversighter marks as no longer deleted)
[14:23:28] <liangent>	 pipe to another file then move the new one over the one to modify
[14:23:33] <saper>	 I normally do find .... | while 
[14:24:00] <domas>	 saper: sure no newlines in file names? 
[14:24:16] <domas>	 there's also xargs
[14:24:31] <saper>	 which is not very good for long and strange file names
[14:24:41] <saper>	 domas: worst case I use -print0 of find
[14:25:14] <domas>	 xargs supports -print0
[14:25:15] <domas>	 :)
[14:25:32] <saper>	 yes
[14:25:54] <potter>	 i wanted create an api to rotate an image.But i am facing some problems
[14:26:00] <potter>	 like my url of the image is "http://localhost/mediawiki/index.php/File:Manifest.bmp"
[14:26:04] <potter>	 but to execute php_functions on this image i need to know its address in the comp?how to do this in MW?
[14:26:28] <MaxSem>	 look up wfFindFile()
[14:26:49] <potter>	 MaxSem: ok thanks.another doubt
[14:27:02] <potter>	 suppose my file is not on my comp,then what should i do?
[14:27:17] <potter>	 should i store it temp or something?
[14:27:17] <MaxSem>	 download it
[14:28:02] <potter>	 MaxSem: ok thanks :)
[14:28:07] <Nikerabbit>	 saper: thanks!
[14:29:06] <codurr>	 03nikerabbit * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/113232> 10/trunk/translatewiki/ (39 files in 23 dirs): Removed display key, wasn't ever used for anything
[14:29:49] <codurr>	 03nikerabbit * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/113233> 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/ (README Translate.php): Removing $wgTranslateGroupStructure
[14:30:09] <codurr>	 03emsmith * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/113234> 10/trunk/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5/ (3 files): bug 35020 - change the oversight email copy - again
[14:41:25] <potter>	 MaxSem: wffindfile is returning null data
[14:41:40] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) UploadFromStash is broken in 1.18.1 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35032  (10Bawolff)
[14:42:28] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Change decimal separators for numbers in Kurdish - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35031  normal->15enhancement (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[14:42:43] <potter>	 i wrote - wfFindFile($this->mUrl), where $this->mUrl is "http://localhost/mediawiki/index.php/File:Manifest.bmp"
[14:42:52] <MaxSem>	 either you're using it improperly, or the file is not registered properly with MW
[14:43:13] <MaxSem>	 have you actually tried reading docs for this function?
[14:43:51] <codurr>	 New code comment: SPQRobin; A page in the format "Wx/xyz", which contains basic info about the language & project, see e.g. [[in; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112966#c31928>
[14:43:54] <wikibugs>	 04(REOPENED) <ref> doesn't expand triple-brace template parameters - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34999  +comment (10Bawolff)
[14:44:07] <potter>	 MaxSem: yeah..the description of the function parameters is not clear
[14:44:48] <MaxSem>	 what's unclear? it expects a title. is URL a title?
[14:45:19] <potter>	 MaxSem: wiht that it even expecets an option array
[14:45:36] <MaxSem>	 also, looking for real examples of fucntion usage helps
[14:46:00] <potter>	 ?
[14:46:02] <^demon|away>	 wfFindFile() accepts title strings or title objects. Not arbitrary urls or other bogus text.
[14:46:26] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Please create a new mailing list WikiJA-del-l@lists.wikimedia.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34412  +comment (10Antoine "hashar" Musso)
[14:48:41] <Qcoder00>	 Question: How do you do tables in templates, because the markup the notes I have suggests doesn't work 
[14:48:43] <Qcoder00>	 ?
[14:48:52] <Qcoder00>	 http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/User:ShakespeareFan00/Workload/hynm
[14:49:01] <Reedy>	 same as you do tables in articles
[14:49:12] <Ulfr>	 Qcoder00: Look into the Pipe Escape extension
[14:49:16] <Ulfr>	 Good morning all, I was wondering if anyone knew how to make mediawiki stop replacing : with &#58; in urls
[14:49:33] <Qcoder00>	 Reedy, Ulfr: Right well then explain why the page I've just linked isn't behaving
[14:50:00] <Qcoder00>	 because on the face of it I see no reason why it shouldn't be parsing
[14:50:04] <Ulfr>	 Qcoder00: Because | is a special charachter, the template assumes the next argument for the template appears
[14:50:14] <Ulfr>	 when in reality it's for a table
[14:50:16] <Reedy>	 Yeah
[14:50:20] <Qcoder00>	 AH OK
[14:50:21] <Reedy>	 Look at Template:!
[14:50:29] <Qcoder00>	 What Do I use instead ?
[14:50:43] <hashar>	 I have looked at that page source, seen {{#switch:, closed the window
[14:51:00] <Reedy>	 https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Template:!
[14:51:04] <Reedy>	 {{!}}
[14:51:26] <Qcoder00>	 Doesn't exist .. hmm
[14:51:39] <Ulfr>	 ...
[14:51:40] <Reedy>	 ...
[14:51:44] <Reedy>	 I just linked to it
[14:52:00] <hashar>	 Qcoder00: http://tinyurl.com/7ugmhnf
[14:52:02] <hashar>	 or copy paste
[14:52:18] <Ulfr>	 xD
[14:52:20] <Qcoder00>	 It seems Chatzilkla has issues with ! in URLS !!
[14:52:22] <Qcoder00>	 ;)
[14:52:23] <hashar>	 the template just say to replace the pipe by &#124;
[14:52:43] <hashar>	 Qcoder00: yeah so this way you can write stuff like OH no http://wwww.google.de!!!!!!!!!!!!
[14:52:46] <Reedy>	 {{!}} is neater
[14:52:59] <hashar>	 {{!}} takes ton of CPU cycles :-]
[14:53:13] <Ulfr>	 Reedy: Any thoughts on a similar solution for : ?
[14:54:20] <Reedy>	 It works fine on enwiki etc...
[14:54:52] <Qcoder00>	 OK Just so I get this absolutey right...
[14:54:57] <Qcoder00>	 In the template I linked...
[14:55:19] <Qcoder00>	 I need to replace which instances of  | with  {{!}} ?
[14:55:29] <Reedy>	 any of the tables |
[14:55:30] <hashar>	 &#124;
[14:57:51] <Qcoder00>	 OK I did that
[14:57:57] <Reedy>	 bleh, 2 more new revs tagged 1.19
[14:57:59] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) MobileFrontend section folding doesn't avoid downloading never-viewed text and images - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31011  +comment (10jrobson)
[14:58:23] <Qcoder00>	 The use of the template in - http://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Page:The_Army_and_Navy_Hymnal.djvu doesn't display anything sensible
[14:58:57] <Qcoder00>	 It shows a lot of &124; 's
[14:59:02] <Qcoder00>	 which it really shouldn't be
[14:59:13] <Qcoder00>	 Something is STILL broken
[14:59:21] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) RTL with IE-7 (or IE 8/9 in "compatability mode") does not show any toolbar - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34885  +comment (10fur.hewiki)
[14:59:49] <hashar>	 Reedy: bug fix for old bugs should probably not land in 1.19
[15:00:01] <hashar>	 Reedy: but wait for 1.20. A good example is https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/113214
[15:00:19] <Qcoder00>	 Reedy,Ulfr:   I'd appreciated someone 'fixing' the problem
[15:00:47] <Qcoder00>	 Because I am tired of playing hunt the typo for EVERY single minor template I try to make
[15:01:12] <hashar>	 Qcoder00: we do not use templates here
[15:01:14] <Ulfr>	 Qcoder00: You're not a programmer, are you
[15:01:20] <Ulfr>	 hashar: Some of us do :<
[15:01:24] <hashar>	 we mostly code MediaWiki :-D
[15:01:39] <hashar>	 I know that the english wiki as a very active community of template developers
[15:01:59] <Qcoder00>	 This is a mediawiki channel... Or are you saying this isn't a user-help channel but a dev channel?
[15:02:02] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) MobileFrontend section folding doesn't avoid downloading never-viewed text and images - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31011  +comment (10maxsem.wiki)
[15:02:14] <hashar>	 Qcoder00: well it is both a user and a dev channels
[15:02:30] <Qcoder00>	 OK I'm going to ask some simple questions...
[15:02:33] <hashar>	 just saying that sometime dev here do not have the answer 8-]
[15:02:49] <Qcoder00>	 Page transclusions do not have to be from Template: namespace for param passing to work?
[15:03:40] <hashar>	 I have no idea
[15:03:45] <hashar>	 I never used templates parameters
[15:04:08] <hashar>	 I am not even sure how to write a template. Would have to look at the online documentation
[15:04:23] <hashar>	 hence why I say you might have better luck contacting the template community of enwiki
[15:05:42] <bawolff>	 Qcoder00: that is correct
[15:05:52] <Qcoder00>	 OK
[15:05:58] <Qcoder00>	 Then what's breaking ?
[15:06:12] <Qcoder00>	 http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Page:The_Army_and_Navy_Hymnal.djvu/46
[15:06:28] <Qcoder00>	 http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/User:ShakespeareFan00/Workload/hynm
[15:07:11] <bawolff>	 The table syntax looks wrong
[15:07:22] <bawolff>	 wtf is &114;
[15:07:34] <Qcoder00>	 &124; is a | 
[15:07:41] * Reedy  blames hashar

[15:08:00] <Qcoder00>	 which I was told to use earlier as using | directly  broke the parsing as well
[15:08:05] <hashar>	 Reedy: what ?
[15:08:21] <bawolff>	 Actually &#124; is, but I'm more referring to &114;
[15:08:22] <Reedy>	 saying to use &124; :p
[15:08:24] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Edit summary for moves should not include username - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34961  (10Jon Harald Søby)
[15:08:35] <Qcoder00>	 Please link a manual page which it explains how the *** you do tables inside  #switch: clauses 
[15:08:38] <hashar>	 Reedy: what would you expect from a troll? A correct answer :-]
[15:08:46] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) MobileFrontend section folding doesn't avoid downloading never-viewed text and images - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31011  +comment (10jrobson)
[15:09:20] * bawolff  finds his own question, &#114; would be a LATIN CAPITAL LETTER E WITH BREVE

[15:09:27] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) MobileFrontend section folding doesn't avoid downloading never-viewed text and images - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31011  +comment (10jrobson)
[15:09:36] * hashar  google for latin capital letter e with breve

[15:10:00] <hashar>	  Ĕ  Ĕ Ĕ Ĕ
[15:10:04] <hashar>	 never seen that before
[15:10:10] <Qcoder00>	 http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/User:ShakespeareFan00/Workload/hynm - This is what happens when I use | directly
[15:10:21] <Qcoder00>	 which is still clearly broken
[15:10:29] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Edit summary for moves should not include username - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34961  +comment (10jhsoby)
[15:10:32] <bawolff>	 Qcoder00: first issue was the typo of &124; should be &#124;
[15:10:59] * Qcoder00  decides he needs to up the dosage on his anti-stress pills

[15:11:33] <bawolff>	 or just use {{!}} instead of &#124; . Its easier to remember
[15:11:51] <codurr>	 New code comment: Reedy; The nested ternary look awful, it's not obvious that the else for the mac one is the windows one..; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/113214#c31929>
[15:12:42] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) MobileFrontend section folding doesn't avoid downloading never-viewed text and images - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31011  +comment (10maxsem.wiki)
[15:13:03] <bawolff>	 Or just use html style <table>'s. I swear they are 900 times easier to understand, even when you forgot about the pipe escaping issue (but maybe that's just me learning html before wikisyntax)
[15:13:41] <hashar>	 bawolff: I either use HTML or the toolbar table creation helper
[15:13:44] <hashar>	 so you are not alone
[15:14:00] <hashar>	 I think the syntax was originally made by JeLuF
[15:14:01] <Qcoder00>	 http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Page:The_Army_and_Navy_Hymnal.djvu/46 - It's STILL broken
[15:14:01] <bawolff>	 hashar: I trick other people into making tables for me so I don't have to do it :P
[15:14:27] <hashar>	 bawolff: tricking people into something is the best way to achieve lot of amazing stuff
[15:14:28] <bawolff>	 Qcoder00: Ha, but now its broken in a slightly different way
[15:14:36] <hashar>	 been doing that constantly in my old job
[15:15:00] <codurr>	 03reedy * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/113235> 10/branches/REL1_19/phase3/ (6 files in 4 dirs): MFT r113171, r113195, r113211
[15:15:08] <Qcoder00>	 My question remains how the **** do you do table within #switch# clauses?
[15:15:18] <Qcoder00>	 because it's still broken
[15:15:33] <Qcoder00>	 and based on what you said above it shouldn't be
[15:17:51] <Qcoder00>	 As I said I'm tired of playing hunt the obscure syntax issue for EVERY single template
[15:17:54] <Qcoder00>	 I try to make
[15:18:37] <Qcoder00>	 The template is getting the params Ok and formatting them , it's just not making the table
[15:20:28] <Qcoder00>	 Fix the *** parser so it can cope with table syntax in templates please
[15:21:14] <codurr>	 03maxsem * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/113236> 10/trunk/extensions/MobileFrontend/api/ApiMobileView.php: Fixed data generation, sectionprop support
[15:21:29] <Qcoder00>	 Or provide a link to manual page that explains how to do it
[15:21:58] <Qcoder00>	 (Put table syntax inside #switch clauses that is)
[15:24:04] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Moving page triggers HTTP 500 on zhwiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35030  +comment (10sam)
[15:26:20] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) "Enable dialogs for inserting links, tables and more" preference is confusing - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/30796  +comment (10nischayn22)
[15:26:22] <gwicke_>	 Qcoder00: you could use html syntax
[15:26:23] <bawolff>	 Qcoder00: Patches are welcome to make the parser magical and always do what everyone wants it to ;)
[15:27:14] <Qcoder00>	 bawolff:  Surely it's not that hard for it recognise that within a {|  a pipe | isn't an argument seperator but an item seperator?
[15:28:25] <bawolff>	 But what if you want it to be an argument separator (people do do that)
[15:28:27] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) MobileFrontend should have full screen search to avoid UI control clutter - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/32094  summary (10Jon)
[15:29:44] <bawolff>	 Qcoder00: why are you even using a {{switch}}. Only one thing varies between the two cases...
[15:30:05] <Qcoder00>	 For now
[15:30:22] <codurr>	 New code comment: Nikerabbit; That should go into the code.; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112966#c31930>
[15:31:05] <Qcoder00>	 I was trying to make things flexible in case there are different formats in the future
[15:31:20] <Qcoder00>	 The soloution there at the moment is something of a 'hack' anyway
[15:31:49] <Reedy>	 If anyone wants to spend 10 minutes or so poking and testing the REL1_19 branch pre doing a beta1 release, it'd be appreciated
[15:32:37] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) "Enable dialogs for inserting links, tables and more" preference is confusing - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/30796  -patch +need-review (10Nischay Nahata)
[15:32:52] * bawolff  would rather do that then calculus, but alas calculus calls...

[15:37:17] <OrenOf>	 call of the calculus - sound familiar 
[15:39:07] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Moving page triggers HTTP 500 on zhwiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35030  +comment (10liangent)
[15:39:09] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Hashar; "change to trigger parser tests." [test/mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/2959
[15:39:21] <codurr>	 03gwicke * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/113237> 10/trunk/extensions/VisualEditor/modules/parser/mediawiki.TokenTransformManager.js:
[15:39:22] <codurr>	 Fixes for multi-transformer expansion in AsyncTransformManager. Added argument
[15:39:22] <codurr>	 to callback which lets transforms indicate if their returned tokens are fully
[15:39:22] <codurr>	 processed for their phase. If not, the callback re-processes them so that any
[15:39:23] <codurr>	 remaining transforms are applied.
[15:39:31] <hashar>	 oh YEAH
[15:39:36] <hashar>	 jenkins works :-)
[15:39:54] <hashar>	 https://integration.mediawiki.org/ci/job/MediaWiki-Tests-Parser/1/console
[15:40:23] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: jenkins-bot; "Build Started https://integration.mediawiki.org/ci/job/MediaWiki-GIT-Fetching/4/ " [test/mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/2959
[15:41:36] <liangent>	 Reedy: iirc you have server access. can you have a look at error log to see what's wrong about bug 35030?
[15:41:41] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Hashar; "(no comment)" [test/mediawiki/core] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/2933
[15:41:44] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Hashar; [test/mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/2933
[15:44:09] <Reedy>	 liangent: the question is always which error log is it? ;)
[15:44:19] <Reedy>	 I can probably have a look in a bit
[15:46:26] <liangent>	 Reedy: I trigged an error at a url ending with &this=http500_is_for_reedy
[15:46:30] <liangent>	 search for it
[15:47:11] <liangent>	 I guess this can be useful
[15:48:13] <Reedy>	 34165 lines
[15:48:24] <liangent>	 Reedy: what?
[15:48:27] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Integrate Jenkins with Git - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34141  +comment (10hashar)
[15:48:31] <Reedy>	 in the apache log file :p
[15:49:10] <liangent>	 Reedy: even lines with "&this=http500_is_for_reedy" ?
[15:49:15] <hashar>	 ignore the filename too long :]
[15:49:15] <Reedy>	 no
[15:49:26] <Reedy>	 grepping for reedy finds nothing in that file
[15:50:37] <liangent>	 Reedy: so there are more than one files?
[15:50:44] <Reedy>	 Yes
[15:50:45] <Reedy>	 a lot more
[15:50:47] <Reedy>	 in different locations
[15:51:18] <liangent>	 Reedy: the header says "X-CacheMISS from cp1020.eqiad.wmnet, MISS from cp1020.eqiad.wmnetX-Cache-LookupMISS from cp1020.eqiad.wmnet:3128, MISS from cp1020.eqiad.wmnet:80"
[15:51:31] <Reedy>	 tells us almost nothing
[15:51:39] <liangent>	 but since php fails there's no served by srvXX :(
[15:52:10] <Reedy>	 /var/log/mw/fatal.log is the one I want... I think
[15:53:09] <codurr>	 03maxsem * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/113238> 10/trunk/extensions/MobileFrontend/api/ApiMobileView.php: Error checking and paraminfo fixes
[15:53:23] <liangent>	 can you grep in all of those files in one place, or you have to log in to each server to grep on it?
[15:53:29] <Reedy>	 liangent: try it again
[15:53:36] <Reedy>	 no, we do get combined logs
[15:53:46] <liangent>	 sent
[15:53:48] <Reedy>	 got it
[15:54:12] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Moving page triggers HTTP 500 on zhwiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35030  +comment (10sam)
[15:54:20] <Reedy>	 It's an OOM
[15:54:25] <freakolowsky>	 Reedy ... you seem to be knees-deep in git lately ... need a pro answer to a noob question
[15:54:28] <freakolowsky>	 got a minute
[15:54:38] <Reedy>	 freakolowsky: I've barely touched git at all :P
[15:54:47] <Reedy>	 hashar would probably be better to ask
[15:55:05] * freakolowsky  pulls out his tricorder and starts looking for hashar

[15:55:25] <liangent>	 Reedy: I think you should strip my cookies from that bugzilla comment
[15:55:34] <freakolowsky>	 hashar: got a minute?
[15:55:39] <Reedy>	 yeah.. I just noticed that
[15:55:53] <hashar>	 try asking 
[15:55:56] <hashar>	 if it is very short I will answer
[15:56:07] <hashar>	 else I will excuse myself to go grab some food and my daughter
[15:56:10] <MaxSem>	 OOM in language converter?
[15:56:13] <hashar>	 (will eat the former, not the later)
[15:56:14] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Moving page triggers HTTP 500 on zhwiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35030  +comment (10sam)
[15:56:20] <Reedy>	 MaxSem: ya, when trying to move a page
[15:56:21] <liangent>	 anyway I logged out to invalidate the session
[15:56:23] <hashar>	 MaxSem: ask your local enchanter for a clarity
[15:56:37] <hashar>	 freakolowsky: pong
[15:57:00] <freakolowsky>	 in git ... i have a repo "aaaa" so i have my origin set to "aaaa" how do i make git push go into bbbb subdirectory ... so "aaaa/bbbb" ?
[15:57:16] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Moving page triggers HTTP 500 on zhwiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35030  +comment (10sam)
[15:57:44] <NeedHelp>	 Is there anything wrong with extracting parts of wikipedia articles on the fly (using f.ex. xpath) for showing on my own page? I hear some people say its unappreciated by wikipedia.
[15:58:20] <codurr>	 03nad * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/113239> 10/trunk/extensions/FileAttach/FileAttach.php: if attaching a file when on a talk page, attach to the content page instead
[15:58:25] <hashar>	 freakolowsky: is  bbbb  a local branch name ?
[15:58:37] <hashar>	 freakolowsky: git push aaaa bbbb  
[15:58:58] <hashar>	 freakolowsky: that will push your local reference named 'bbbb' to remote repository named 'aaaa'  [by default as 'bbbb']
[15:59:03] <MaxSem>	 NeedHelp, live leeching is frowned upon, yes
[15:59:10] <hashar>	 freakolowsky: probably easier to use realnames though :)
[15:59:36] <MaxSem>	 though if you use cache on your side it is a different story;)
[15:59:45] <hashar>	 freakolowsky: also have a look at http://gitref.org/remotes/#push
[15:59:54] <NeedHelp>	 MaxSem: what should I do instead? and what is facebook doing here http://www.facebook.com/pages/Jimmy-Wales/105595929475293 ?
[16:00:25] <MaxSem>	 !dumps | NeedHelp
[16:00:25] <mw-bot>	 NeedHelp: For information on how to get dumps from Wikimedia Wikis, see http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Data_dumps
[16:00:59] <freakolowsky>	 hashar: i did read that ... ok ... skimmed, i admit ... my issue is ... i wan't  ./* to go under bbbb on aaaa repo
[16:01:02] <codurr>	 03nikerabbit * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/113240> 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/utils/TranslationHelpers.php: Calling the wrong group parameter broke gettext comments when reviewing recent translations
[16:01:07] <liangent>	 Reedy: how to fix it then
[16:01:27] <hashar>	 freakolowsky: is bbbb a remote branch ?
[16:01:29] <Reedy>	 The "easiest" way is to allow each request to take more memory....
[16:01:30] <freakolowsky>	 i know i could move everything i have localy into a subdirectory and have git figure stuff out by itself ...
[16:01:38] <hashar>	 freakolowsky: you can :   git checkout -b bbbb
[16:01:39] <freakolowsky>	 hash yes
[16:02:01] <freakolowsky>	 i mean  -..... aaaaa .,... what was wrong with SVN!!!!
[16:02:07] <hashar>	 hehe
[16:02:30] <NeedHelp>	 MaxSem: the alternative is to manually download and re-import the 10 GB of dump files into my database each week ?
[16:02:42] <Reedy>	 they're not created weekly
[16:02:56] <MaxSem>	 what has changed in LC in 1.19?
[16:03:34] <hashar>	 freakolowsky: have a look at http://www-cs-students.stanford.edu/~blynn/gitmagic/
[16:03:41] <MaxSem>	 of course, it was an obvious candidate for OOM, but it exploded on converting the *title*, not even page text!!1
[16:04:09] <freakolowsky>	 hashar: what i want to do is push my current directory into bbbb and push another directory under cccc so when somone checksout this repo it will get both bbbb and cccc ... branching will probabbly not fly with this
[16:04:24] <liangent>	 Reedy: but I don't understand why a page move can eat more memory than, eg, a full page conversion
[16:04:30] <hashar>	 freakolowsky: doh
[16:04:34] <Reedy>	 Indeed
[16:04:44] <freakolowsky>	 what WHAT!
[16:05:06] <hashar>	 freakolowsky: you could merge bbbb & cccc branches into another branch that would contains both directories
[16:05:13] <hashar>	 it is a bit weird though
[16:05:41] <NeedHelp>	 Reedy: ok, but downloading and re-importing 10GB monthly then. 
[16:05:42] <freakolowsky>	 i can't get why must they be branches in the first place
[16:05:57] <codurr>	 03foxtrott * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/113241> 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticResultFormats/Filtered/libs/ext.srf.filtered.value-filter.js: bugfix (first filter not shown)
[16:06:25] <hashar>	 freakolowsky: well just don't use branches!!! merge boths branches in a new one et voilà
[16:09:36] <codurr>	 03nad * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/113242> 10/trunk/extensions/FileAttach/FileAttach.php: FileAttachDummyOutput should extend normal OutputPage
[16:11:19] <alester>	 I've been poking at visual editors, and I'm disappointed in what I'm finding.
[16:11:39] <alester>	 CKEditor is nice, except for not actually editing wikitext.  I don't want all my wiki pages to be HTMLed. :-(
[16:12:32] <Amgine>	 alester: are you aware of this one? http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:VisualEditorSandbox
[16:12:57] <hashar>	 freakolowsky: we can arrange a git training one day if you want
[16:13:12] <hashar>	 freakolowsky: tomorrow morning if you want or else whenever you want next week
[16:13:19] <alester>	 No, I'm not.
[16:13:55] <Amgine>	 alester: That is a major WMF project at the moment. I do not know what the eta is, but expect to hear more about it soon.
[16:14:44] <alester>	 I may need to tell my Powers That Be that they have to wait 'til that comes out.
[16:16:05] <alester>	 That toggle to wikitext is slick
[16:16:51] <hashar>	 off for good
[16:19:54] <codurr>	 03foxtrott * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/113243> 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticResultFormats/Filtered/libs/ext.srf.filtered.value-filter.js: turn off filtering if nothing selected
[16:24:38] <codurr>	 03foxtrott * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/113244> 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticResultFormats/Tree/SRF_Tree.php: bugfix (fatal error when parent property is empty string)
[16:29:10] <codurr>	 03gwicke * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/113245> 10/trunk/extensions/VisualEditor/modules/parser/mediawiki.TokenTransformManager.js: (log message trimmed)
[16:29:10] <codurr>	 Start re-transformation as soon as possible in TokenAccumulator._returnTokens
[16:29:10] <codurr>	 to maximize IO concurrency. Signal that all tokens are fully transformed to
[16:29:10] <codurr>	 callbacks called from TokenAccumulator._returnTokens. The result should be a
[16:29:11] <codurr>	 single re-transformation when entering the callback chain, and only if the
[16:29:12] <codurr>	 transform does not signal that it took care of full transformation itself.
[16:29:13] <codurr>	 Template expansion would set this flag, as the nested transform pipeline
[16:32:44] <potter>	 i have generated an image in API?what is the best way to upload it?
[16:33:06] <potter>	 i can upload it by giving path also but that is a bad way
[16:47:48] <codurr>	 03reedy * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/113246> 10/tags/REL1_19_0beta1/: Tagging REL1_19 for 1.19.0beta1
[16:48:36] <codurr>	 New code comment: SPQRobin; It's a central concept with even a dedicated InfoPage class, I'm sure it's explained several times i; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112966#c31931>
[16:50:07] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Create a mailing list for the Wikidata advisory board - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35033 normal; Wikimedia: Mailing lists; (denny.vrandecic)
[16:52:57] <codurr>	 03emsmith * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/113247> 10/trunk/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5/api/ApiViewFeedbackArticleFeedbackv5.php:
[16:52:57] <codurr>	 bug 34090 - db issue, remove one of the sorts from the query, use the ids array
[16:52:57] <codurr>	 to manage the order (since they're already sorted properly) - NO idea what kind
[16:52:57] <codurr>	 of side effects this might cause but I haven't run into issues with it yet
[16:57:23] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Search button is not visible with images disabled on Samsung Jet. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/30829  +comment (10jrobson)
[17:04:09] <Krenair>	 Ugh that wikilove problem still hasn't resolved itself
[17:06:07] <codurr>	 03foxtrott * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/113248> 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticResultFormats/Filtered/libs/ext.srf.filtered.value-filter.js: bugfix (filter includes results with empty printouts)
[17:08:27] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) syntax error in SQL string to executed because of quoted tablename - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35024  +comment (10jeroen_dedauw)
[17:13:45] <potter>	 hey sumanah 
[17:13:49] <sumanah>	 hi potter 
[17:15:23] <sumanah>	 ^demon|away: Good morning.  Hope you are feeling better.
[17:15:36] <potter>	 I have an image generated in an API and i want to upload it and get the link ?whats the best method to do it
[17:15:43] <potter>	 generated an image*
[17:15:49] * sumanah  doesn't know

[17:16:13] <^demon|away>	 sumanah: Much better, thank you
[17:16:16] * ^demon|away  goes back to his lunch

[17:18:28] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Search button is not visible with images disabled on Samsung Jet. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/30829  +comment (10maxsem.wiki)
[17:18:43] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) MobileFrontend shouldn't lock viewport - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31925  +comment (10Jon)
[17:20:24] <codurr>	 03netbrain * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/113249> 10/trunk/extensions/SideBarMenu/: prepared for addition of new extension: SideBarMenu
[17:29:40] <codurr>	 03foxtrott * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/113250> 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticResultFormats/Filtered/libs/ext.srf.filtered.value-filter.js: bugfix ('and' filter)
[17:31:20] <codurr>	 03netbrain * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/113251> 10/trunk/extensions/SideBarMenu/README: first commit
[17:31:31] <codurr>	 03netbrain * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/113252> 10/trunk/extensions/SideBarMenu/ (10 files in 3 dirs): initial import of SideBarMenu wikimedia extension
[17:31:42] <codurr>	 03netbrain * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/113253> 10/trunk/extensions/SideBarMenu/ (7 files in 4 dirs):
[17:31:42] <codurr>	 added a default visual style to extension.
[17:31:42] <codurr>	 added javascript logic.
[17:31:42] <codurr>	 moved hooks into a separate file
[17:31:45] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) MobileFrontend beta search suggestions don't start suggesting when expected on Firefox - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/32082  +comment (10Jon)
[17:31:53] <codurr>	 03netbrain * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/113254> 10/trunk/extensions/SideBarMenu/ (9 files in 5 dirs):
[17:31:53] <codurr>	 added i18n
[17:31:53] <codurr>	 removed unused functions and tests
[17:31:53] <codurr>	 fixed failing tests
[17:31:54] <codurr>	 minor change to javascript
[17:31:55] <codurr>	 minor change to css
[17:32:01] <codurr>	 03netbrain * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/113255> 10/trunk/extensions/SideBarMenu/ (5 files in 3 dirs): did some final polishing
[17:32:01] <Reedy>	 wikimedia extension? lol
[17:32:11] <codurr>	 03netbrain * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/113256> 10/trunk/extensions/SideBarMenu/ (6 files in 4 dirs): added some constants instead of referencing same strings over and over again.
[17:32:23] <Reedy>	 git?
[17:34:05] <Romaine>	 brrr: http://nl.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Speciaal:GevraagdeSjablonen&limit=500&offset=0
[17:34:17] <Romaine>	 https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=31576
[17:34:25] <Romaine>	 again! (since 1.19)
[17:34:51] <codurr>	 New code comment: ^demon; Rather than DIY on the newline trimming in removeLineBreaksFromStartOfString(), how about using ltri; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/113252#c31932>
[17:36:35] <codurr>	 03gwicke * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/113257> 10/trunk/extensions/VisualEditor/modules/parser/ext.core.TemplateHandler.js: Set allTokensProcessed flag for async callbacks from the template expander.
[17:37:36] <codurr>	 New code comment: Netbrain; Yes, that is probably better. fixing now.; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/113252#c31933>
[17:44:07] <codurr>	 03jdlrobson * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/113258> 10/trunk/extensions/MobileFrontend/stylesheets/ (beta_common.css common.css):
[17:44:08] <codurr>	 stretch background image of home and random buttons where necessary
[17:44:08] <codurr>	 this addresses bug 32083 where the text of the button is bigger than
[17:44:08] <codurr>	 the background image
[17:44:09] <codurr>	 note where background-size css property is not supported the text will
[17:44:10] <codurr>	 still spill out
[17:44:19] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) MobileFrontend buttons too small for Italian locale - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/32083  +comment (10Jon)
[17:45:04] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) position of msg autocomment-prefix in autocomment has changed with 1.19 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35034 normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (umherirrender_de.wp)
[17:46:36] <codurr>	 New code comment: Umherirrender; Please have a look at bug 35034. Thanks.; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/109086#c31934>
[17:48:15] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) Create a mailing list for the Wikidata advisory board - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35033  +comment (10Philippe Beaudette)
[17:50:29] <codurr>	 03cervidae * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/113259> 10/trunk/extensions/ (ReassignEdits/ReassignEdits.php Widgets/Widgets.i18n.php):
[17:50:29] <codurr>	 Added $wgGroupPermissions['bureaucrat']['reassignedits'] = true; to ReassignEdits.php if using the extension selection in installation menu or another management system
[17:50:29] <codurr>	 Use small letter in 'group-widgeteditor-member' message in adaptation to other user group messages
[17:52:39] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Create a mailing list for the Wikidata advisory board - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35033  +comment (10denny.vrandecic)
[17:53:39] <wikibugs>	 03(ASSIGNED) Please create a new mailing list WikiJA-del-l@lists.wikimedia.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34412  (10Philippe Beaudette)
[17:58:54] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) Please create a new mailing list WikiJA-del-l@lists.wikimedia.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34412  +comment (10Philippe Beaudette)
[17:59:25] <wikibugs>	 14(DUP) MobileFrontend should have full screen search to avoid UI control clutter - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/32094  +comment (10Jon)
[17:59:26] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) MobileFrontend should support full screen search - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/32701  +comment (10Jon)
[18:02:58] <codurr>	 03netbrain * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/113260> 10/trunk/extensions/SideBarMenu/includes/MenuParser.php:
[18:02:58] <codurr>	 Merge branch 'master' of github.com:netbrain/mediawiki-SideBarMenu
[18:02:58] <codurr>	 Conflicts:
[18:02:58] <codurr>	 includes/MenuParser.php
[18:06:50] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Font sizes preference for Wikipedia Mobile - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/19921  +comment (10Jon)
[18:09:04] <potter>	 i had asked a questionand then my net connection broke.if some one had answered the question,could you please answer it back?
[18:09:31] <sumanah>	 potter: no, no one answered your question.
[18:09:38] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) <title> is empty in the Sanskrit Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34938  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[18:10:24] <potter>	 sumanah: sad :(.I am stuck with this from past 2 hrs and googling is not helping me
[18:10:41] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Search button is not visible with images disabled on Samsung Jet. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/30829   +patch +reviewed; +comment (10Sumana Harihareswara)
[18:11:07] <sumanah>	 potter: "I have generated an image in an API and i want to upload it and get the link - what's the best method to do it" still your question, right?
[18:11:20] <potter>	 sumanah: yeah
[18:11:26] <sumanah>	 potter: did you generate your image via the MediaWiki API somehow?
[18:11:44] <sumanah>	 and now you want to upload it via the API and use an API query to get the link to the uploaded image?
[18:11:51] <potter>	 no..i have resized it and rotated the original iamge
[18:12:08] <sumanah>	 potter: you resized and rotated it all within the MediaWiki web API?
[18:12:23] <sumanah>	 potter: so, you want to replace an existing image with a new version? to update it?
[18:12:28] <potter>	 i have written an API..which will resize and rotate the given image
[18:12:41] <sumanah>	 potter: is this an addition to the MediaWiki API/
[18:12:42] <sumanah>	 ?
[18:13:24] <codurr>	 03kaldari * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/113261> 10/trunk/extensions/PageTriage/ (3 files): Weve decided that the list view will be the primary view for the extension - we will develope the zoom view later. Moving the list view to be Special:PageTriage and getting rid of Special:PageTriageList
[18:14:39] <potter_>	 sumanah: i m sorry for this net problem.
[18:15:15] <sumanah>	 potter: is this an addition to the MediaWiki API? (is the last thing I asked)
[18:15:45] <potter_>	 yeah..https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33186
[18:18:36] <sumanah>	 potter: so, did you already look at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/API:Upload ?
[18:18:36] <codurr>	 New code comment: Krinkle; Hm.. it's something I picked up from diving into jQuery. It is weird but i'm not sure it's awful. So; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/113214#c31935>
[18:20:13] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Wrong diff when prevented section edit - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34929  +comment (10Sumana Harihareswara)
[18:20:24] <sumanah>	 potter_: if you are working on https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33186 then please comment on it and say so
[18:20:29] <sumanah>	 potter_: also, link to your code
[18:20:39] <sumanah>	 potter_: are you storing your code in a Git repository as you work on it?
[18:21:03] <potter_>	 yeah..i saw this API.but for using this i must provide a source of modified image.
[18:21:11] <potter_>	 i m working on a git repo :)
[18:21:14] <sumanah>	 potter_: you can use Git and Gerrit and start working in a branch: https://labsconsole.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Access#Access_FAQ
[18:21:18] <sumanah>	 potter_: then link to it, please
[18:21:50] <sumanah>	 potter_: "source of modified image" - do you mean, the file ID of the image that you are replacing/updating?
[18:22:29] <potter_>	 there is no file ID of the modified image
[18:22:35] <potter_>	 i ahev to upload it and get the file ID
[18:22:37] <potter_>	 have*
[18:22:44] <sumanah>	 you're being a bit confusing, potter_ 
[18:22:54] <potter_>	 yeah.. :(
[18:23:00] <potter_>	 even i realized it
[18:23:03] <sumanah>	 what exactly is the reason you're having a problem?
[18:23:24] <sumanah>	 defining your question well is 50% of the way to getting an answer :-)
[18:24:09] <potter_>	 basically the modified image is just an object in the code and not stored anywhere in mediawiki.did you get this point?
[18:24:59] <codurr>	 03jeroendedauw * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/113262> 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/includes/dataitems/SMW_DI_Property.php: stylize a bit
[18:25:39] <sumanah>	 potter_: ok, so the problem is that, to use the Upload functionality in the API, you have to give "filename - Target filename" and, the way you're doing it, there is no such filename?
[18:25:47] <sumanah>	 or rather there is no "url - Url to fetch the file from"
[18:26:00] <potter_>	 no url to fetch the file
[18:26:07] <potter_>	 you are right :)
[18:26:18] <sumanah>	 can't you just use this? https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/API:Upload#Uploading_directly
[18:26:45] <sumanah>	 oh, even that requires a URL at localhost.
[18:27:01] <potter_>	 yeah
[18:28:52] <sumanah>	 OK, I don't know. You should summarize your issue in a few clear and precise paragraphs and send it to the API mailing list
[18:28:58] <sumanah>	 potter_: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-api
[18:31:19] <potter_>	 i have subsciption to this 
[18:31:38] <sumanah>	 We're down to 223 at https://toolserver.org/~robla/crstats/ 
[18:31:44] <sumanah>	 ok, off to a meeting. good luck potter_ 
[18:32:48] <AVRS>	 Hi.
[18:33:34] <AVRS>	 When somebody edits a page section, the edit summary contains the section name, and history and diffs show a link to the section.
[18:34:00] <AVRS>	 But when the section's title is a template inclusion, there is a problem: https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Commons%3AAdministrators%27_noticeboard%2FUser_problems&diff=68019613&oldid=68019580
[18:34:11] <codurr>	 03jeroendedauw * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/113263> 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticResultFormats/GraphViz/SRF_Process.php: follow up to r113170
[18:34:28] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Process: Call to undefined method SMWDIWikiPage::getTypeID() - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35003  +comment (10jeroen_dedauw)
[18:34:29] <AVRS>	 Could MediaWiki add an "id" or "name" to the section's header so that the links work?
[18:36:44] <AVRS>	 (the problem is that the template is expanded in the page but not in the link)
[18:40:29] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) RTL with IE-7 (or IE 8/9 in "compatability mode") does not show any toolbar - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34885  +comment (10tparscal)
[18:42:27] <codurr>	 03gwicke * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/113264> 10/trunk/extensions/VisualEditor/modules/parser/ (mediawiki.parser.js parse.js): A few minor documentation updates.
[18:42:41] <codurr>	 03jdlrobson * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/113265> 10/trunk/extensions/MobileFrontend/stylesheets/ (beta_common.css common.css):
[18:42:41] <codurr>	 allow user to zoom in on page
[18:42:41] <codurr>	 I believe this addresses bug 19921
[18:42:41] <codurr>	 It doesn't seem fair at all to disable zooming now
[18:42:42] <codurr>	 we have an elastic layout
[18:42:55] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) Font sizes preference for Wikipedia Mobile - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/19921  +comment (10Jon)
[18:43:04] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Article Feedback Page v5 - Request Oversight doesn't work anymore - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35035 critical; MediaWiki extensions: ArticleFeedbackv5; (fflorin)
[18:43:24] <codurr>	 03yaron * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/113266> 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/ (INSTALL SemanticForms.php): New version: 2.4.1
[18:43:59] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Article Feedback Page v5 - Request Oversight doesn't work anymore - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35035   +aftv5-1.5 (10Fabrice Florin)
[18:45:24] <codurr>	 03emsmith * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/113267> 10/trunk/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5/ArticleFeedbackv5MailerJob.php:
[18:45:24] <codurr>	 bug 35035 - apparently prototype not only doesn't RUN jobs it doesn't even have
[18:45:24] <codurr>	 a jobs table - so to keep the entire thing from blowing up, overriding the
[18:45:24] <codurr>	 insert method so if no email address is given, no job table insert is attempted
[18:45:33] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) "oversighter", "oversight", "unoversight", "hide" and "unhide" messages are very unclear - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35026   +design (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[18:47:07] <Krenair>	 RoanKattouw, Krinkle: did you guys work out what was wrong with that cache timestamp thing?
[18:47:14] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) [SPL] Displays image unintentionally when there are no subpages to list - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35000  +comment (10jeroen_dedauw)
[18:47:22] <Krinkle>	 Krenair: Lol, I was about the type the same
[18:47:44] <Krinkle>	 Or actually I did, in another channel
[18:47:55] <saki>	 where does the ContextSource class existes
[18:47:59] <Krinkle>	 Krenair: No, I haven't figured it out yet. But since it's been 24h, I'll open a bug ticket instead
[18:49:04] <Krenair>	 #wikimedia-dev. okay.
[18:50:06] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) lastModifed for ResourceLoader modules should also use lastmodified of used MediaWiki namespace messages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35036 normal; MediaWiki: Resource Loader; (krinklemail)
[18:50:09] <Reedy>	 saki: what, an instance of it, or the code for the class?
[18:50:45] <saki>	 both the code and instant
[18:50:55] <Reedy>	 !class ContextSource
[18:50:55] <mw-bot>	 See http://svn.wikimedia.org/doc/classContextSource.html
[18:51:12] <amesha>	 hey everyone, is there some way to specify an overlay logo to overlay $wgLogo (for things like seasonal decorations or the like)?
[18:51:55] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) "oversighter", "oversight", "unoversight", "hide" and "unhide" messages are very unclear - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35026  +comment (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[18:52:38] <saki>	 Reedy: But the OutputPage inherits ContextSource
[18:52:48] <Reedy>	 Indeed it does
[18:54:34] <Dantman>	 amesha: We specify our logo in most skins using a background-image, so you can use site css to override it
[18:54:51] <codurr>	 New code comment: Reedy; Yeah, the extra indenting makes it clearer to read; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/113214#c31936>
[18:54:56] <saki>	 the methods addWikiText and addWikiMsg are in OutputPage or Contextsource
[18:55:05] <Dantman>	 saki: OutputPage
[18:55:35] <Dantman>	 ContextSource/IContextSource/RequestContext is things like getOutput/getUser/getTitle/getLanguage/getRequest
[18:55:48] <Dantman>	 There's also a ->msg() to get a Message instance
[18:55:48] <amesha>	 Dantman: the site css you're talking about is in a mediawiki namespace page?
[18:56:22] <Dantman>	 amesha: Yeah, the MediaWiki:*.css, since most skins do it the same you could even use Common.css and work with the #p-logo
[18:57:59] <amesha>	 Dantman: thanks
[18:58:37] <codurr>	 New code comment: Catrope; This doesn't actually do what it claims to: the ORDER BY isn't removed from the query. OK otherwise.; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/113247#c31937>
[19:00:40] <codurr>	 03krinkle * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/113268> 10/trunk/phase3/resources/mediawiki/mediawiki.util.js: Follows-up r113214: span ternary operator over multiple lines for readability
[19:01:43] <codurr>	 03emsmith * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/113269> 10/trunk/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5/api/ApiViewFeedbackArticleFeedbackv5.php: bug 34090 - followup to r113247
[19:07:00] <codurr>	 03siebrand * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/113270> 10/trunk/translatewiki/WikipediaMobile/ (README WikipediaMobile.yaml):
[19:07:00] <codurr>	 Update documentation.
[19:07:00] <codurr>	 Update file locations.
[19:07:42] <codurr>	 03jeroendedauw * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/113271> 10/trunk/phase3/includes/HTMLForm.php: Follow up to r113142; fix incorrect conversion to array (value can be array already)
[19:09:14] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) "oversighter", "oversight", "unoversight", "hide" and "unhide" messages are very unclear - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35026  +comment (10bharris)
[19:11:46] <AVRS>	 What I mentioned above would work with "id".
[19:11:53] <Reedy>	 that's 1.19.0beta1 out
[19:12:15] <AVRS>	 Reedy: ?
[19:14:24] <codurr>	 03krinkle * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/113272> 10/trunk/phase3/ (4 files in 3 dirs): (log message trimmed)
[19:14:25] <codurr>	 [Html::namespaceSelector] Remove default id/name attributes
[19:14:25] <codurr>	 * Remove default id/name attributes
[19:14:25] <codurr>	 * Remove now redundant tests introduced in r110274
[19:14:26] <codurr>	 * Add tests to make sure label has no 'for' attribute when label isn't null but name/id are unset
[19:14:27] <codurr>	 * Update tests to not include id="" and name="" when calling with no arguments
[19:14:28] <codurr>	 * Updating calls to add name/id if needed, and while at it remove useless 'null' params
[19:17:06] <codurr>	 New code comment: Aaron Schulz; We really need a way to do ops in parallel...which is even a bit of a problem in swift.php right now; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/109469#c31938>
[19:18:40] <thefinn93>	 when i visit my, /load.php?debug=false&lang=en&modules=startup&only=scripts&skin=vector&* attempts to load
[19:18:45] <thefinn93>	 but the server responds with a 404
[19:18:52] <thefinn93>	 i have confirmed that load.php exists
[19:18:58] <thefinn93>	 any idea why this might be?
[19:19:28] <RoanKattouw>	 Have you looked at the web server's error log?
[19:19:36] <thefinn93>	 no
[19:19:49] <thefinn93>	 i suppose i should do that
[19:20:13] <AVRS>	 What I described is bug 2831: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2831#c22
[19:20:26] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) "oversighter", "oversight", "unoversight", "hide" and "unhide" messages are very unclear - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35026  +comment (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[19:21:18] <thefinn93>	 huh. it appears to be trying to open //static/502.html
[19:21:23] <thefinn93>	 oops, one /
[19:22:07] <codurr>	 03emsmith * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/113273> 10/trunk/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5/modules/jquery.articleFeedbackv5/jquery.articleFeedbackv5.special.js: bug 34090 - add javascript level hiding on request oversight IF autohidden is returned in the json response
[19:24:36] * varnent  returning from iPad announcement land

[19:25:06] <hexmode>	 varnent: you've been working on the wikiproject portal, right?
[19:25:07] <codurr>	 New code comment: Nikerabbit; Some indentation issues like in docs of fetchLanguageNames and it's missing @since.; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112479#c31939>
[19:25:19] <varnent>	 hexmode: correct - sup?
[19:26:23] <hexmode>	 varnent: guillom and I have been talking about a portal for JS/API/UI extensions to WMF projects
[19:26:47] <hexmode>	 varnent: could I ask you to set one up?  Or help set one up?
[19:27:07] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) jquery.client.js should recognize rekonq correctly - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34924  +comment (10Krinkle)
[19:27:13] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) jquery.client.js should recognize rekonq correctly - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34924  (10Krinkle)
[19:28:40] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Return after editing sections using headings with various markup returns to other anchors than the ones used in TOC (broken links from history/summary to sections with templates in titles) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/2831  (10deletesoftware)
[19:30:04] <codurr>	 03gwicke * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/113274> 10/trunk/extensions/VisualEditor/modules/parser/ (mediawiki.TokenTransformManager.js mediawiki.parser.js):
[19:30:04] <codurr>	 Delegate responsibility for resetting the token rank to transforms, if full
[19:30:04] <codurr>	 re-processing in a phase is wanted. By default, after a token type change or
[19:30:04] <codurr>	 the return of multiple tokens only the remaining transforms with higher ranks
[19:30:05] <codurr>	 are applied.
[19:30:06] <codurr>	 Updated a few comments as well.
[19:30:47] <hexmode>	 Nikerabbit: fyi, just talked to Ryan_Lane about working on making deployment-prep more usable for devs
[19:31:55] <Nikerabbit>	 hexmode: and?
[19:32:51] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Invalid urls on www.mediawiki.org redirect to inexistant www.mediawiki.org/w/404.php - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35037 normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (krinklemail)
[19:33:04] <codurr>	 03rmoen * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/113275> 10/trunk/extensions/VisualEditor/modules/ve/ce/ve.ce.Surface.js: cleanup whitespace
[19:33:11] <codurr>	 03brion * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/113276> 10/trunk/extensions/Math/modules/MathJax/extensions/wiki2jax.js:
[19:33:11] <codurr>	 MathJax loading fixes from mathjax-users list:
[19:33:11] <codurr>	 * fix for $ stripping in IE
[19:33:11] <codurr>	 * wrap everything in {} for \displaystyle
[19:33:12] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Invalid urls on www.mediawiki.org redirect to inexistant www.mediawiki.org/w/404.php - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35037  +comment (10krinklemail)
[19:33:46] <codurr>	 03catrope * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/113277> 10/trunk/phase3/ (3 files in 2 dirs):
[19:33:46] <codurr>	 (bug 35036) Wikipage-based ResourceLoader modules were not automatically purged as they should be when one of their messages changed. In practice, this only affected WikiLove.
[19:33:46] <codurr>	 Also adding a documentation comment in ResourceLoaderModule to clarify that it is the subclass's responsibility to make sure message blob timestamps are taken into account
[19:33:54] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Invalid urls on www.mediawiki.org redirect to inexistant www.mediawiki.org/w/404.php - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35037  +comment (10krinklemail)
[19:34:16] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) lastModifed for ResourceLoader modules should also use lastmodified of used MediaWiki namespace messages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35036  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[19:34:22] <Ryan_Lane>	 why is it that when I use memcache for sessions that they only last like 30 minutes?
[19:34:23] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) lastModifed for ResourceLoader modules should also use lastmodified of used MediaWiki namespace messages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35036  (10Roan Kattouw)
[19:34:29] <Ryan_Lane>	 it's driving me insane
[19:35:00] <domas>	 your memcached doesn't have much memory, I guess!!!!
[19:35:08] <Ryan_Lane>	 I checked the stats
[19:35:10] <Ryan_Lane>	 no evictions
[19:35:45] <Ryan_Lane>	 STAT evictions 0
[19:36:06] <RoanKattouw>	 Can you find out what the exptime is on the memc set()s that contain the session data?
[19:36:15] <hexmode>	 Nikerabbit: just that he and I are talking about it.  Making it more like production with shell users and such.  chrismcmahon is also very interested in this.  Right now it is all in its infancy, but it is coming.
[19:36:19] <Ryan_Lane>	 hm. where would I find that?
[19:36:25] <Nikerabbit>	 okay
[19:36:46] <codurr>	 03catrope * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/113278> 10/branches/wmf/1.19wmf1/includes/resourceloader/ (ResourceLoaderModule.php ResourceLoaderWikiModule.php): 1.19wmf1: MFT r113277
[19:37:19] <codurr>	 03rmoen * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/113279> 10/trunk/extensions/VisualEditor/modules/ve/ce/ve.ce.Surface.js: port over annotation methods from ES to CE, remove unused renderDomNode method
[19:38:36] <codurr>	 New code comment: Catrope; I checked, and there are no extensions that directly extend ResourceLoaderModule; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/113277#c31940>
[19:38:43] <Dantman>	 Fun fact... as long as we trust browsers to implement css correctly would could in fact have our page-* etc... classes outputted without ambiguous sanitization
[19:38:54] <thefinn93>	 what does wikipedia, mediawiki.org, etc use for search suggestions?
[19:39:10] <RoanKattouw>	 !e Vector
[19:39:10] <mw-bot>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Vector
[19:39:39] <thefinn93>	 thank you
[19:40:18] <varnent>	 hexmode: whoops - sorry - got called into other room  :)
[19:40:24] <codurr>	 03maxsem * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/113280> 10/trunk/extensions/MobileFrontend/api/ApiMobileView.php: Detect sections with references
[19:40:39] <varnent>	 hexmode: so a wikiproject for this or like a hub?
[19:40:50] <varnent>	 hexmode: we've got a few flavors to offer  :)
[19:41:41] <hexmode>	 varnent: what is the diff between a hub and a wikiproject? my first thought, though, is "hub"
[19:41:52] <varnent>	 hexmode: wikiproject portal - https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Project:WikiProject_Extensions  --   hub - https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Enterprise_hub
[19:42:38] <varnent>	 hexmode: WikiProject is group effort - hub is collection of resources - could also do a book if it's basically grouping together content on one topic - http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MVL
[19:43:42] <codurr>	 03maxsem * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/113281> 10/trunk/extensions/MobileFrontend/api/ApiMobileView.php: renamed pqarameter section --> sections
[19:44:12] <hexmode>	 varnent: so, I really want LQT, so I guess a project
[19:44:52] <varnent>	 hexmode: we can put LQT into anything - are you hoping to inform a group of folks or engage them into one big group effort?
[19:44:58] <Krenair>	 Krinkle, so now the fix is in SVN, does mediawiki.org have to wait until the next update or something?
[19:45:11] <varnent>	 that's probably a better question for me to ask  :)
[19:45:16] <Krinkle>	 I think Roan deployed it a moment ago
[19:45:16] <hexmode>	 varnent: inform and provide a place where they can ask questions
[19:45:23] <Krinkle>	 Krenair: should be effective within 5 mnutes
[19:45:35] <Krenair>	 oh, right. great!
[19:45:48] <Krenair>	 thank you roan
[19:46:11] <varnent>	 hexmode: yeah - a hub is probably the best idea then - I like the idea of those being a place to collect folks on a particular topic for info and Q&A - books seems to favor just the "here's info on this one topic"..although I don't see any reason we couldn't merge the ideas…create a book and add a Q&A section to it
[19:46:29] <varnent>	 hexmode:  https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Books/ResourceLoader
[19:46:42] <Dantman>	 Noooooooo... Firefox doesn't implement css parsing correctly T_T
[19:47:20] <hexmode>	 varnent: yeah, that with lqt would probably be what I want
[19:47:33] <hexmode>	 varnent: but maybe a "library"
[19:47:45] <hexmode>	 since we want stuff on the API, too
[19:48:15] <varnent>	 hexmode: okay - yeah - a book/library is easy to do - that - I could set it up and then you can open it in Book Creator and just tag any pages you wanted added to it
[19:48:28] <hexmode>	 :)
[19:48:32] <hexmode>	 awesome
[19:48:54] <hexmode>	 varnent: what else do I need to do?
[19:49:02] <varnent>	 hexmode: so JS/API/UI Extensions Library? - lol - not the catchiest title..  :)
[19:49:19] <varnent>	 JS/API/UI Extension Developer Library
[19:49:25] <codurr>	 03jdlrobson * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/113282> 10/trunk/extensions/MobileFrontend/stylesheets/ (beta_common.css common.css): font-size of banner dismiss button
[19:49:30] <hexmode>	 varnent: you're right.  guillom was trying to come up with a better one last night
[19:49:37] <varnent>	 JEDL
[19:49:50] <hexmode>	 ooo... smells like JEDI ;)
[19:50:05] <varnent>	  let the JEDL force be with you...
[19:50:38] <guillom>	 Oh, if we're looking for fun acronyms, I can help
[19:51:12] <varnent>	 guillom: so this JS/API/UI Extension Developer Library (JEDL) - suggestions on a better name?
[19:51:32] <guillom>	 Shouldn't there be a "MediaWiki somewhere in there?
[19:52:09] <Amgine>	 mediawiki ajaxy library for extensions.
[19:52:11] <Amgine>	 MALE.
[19:52:26] <guillom>	 Amgine: if it's front-end, it's FEMALE.
[19:52:35] <Amgine>	 'zactly.
[19:52:40] <hexmode>	 the JEDL FEMALE
[19:52:45] <varnent>	 hmm - so the "MediaWiki Comprehensive JS/API/UI Extension Developer Library (MCJDEL)
[19:53:09] * varnent  smells corporate sponsorship in that one..

[19:53:13] <guillom>	 I'd love to continue this discussion, but I've got to go.
[19:53:22] <hexmode>	 ad revenue will sky rocket!
[19:53:35] <varnent>	 lol - from $0 to $20!
[19:54:07] * guillom  mumbles something about strategic ROI and leveraging opportunities to move forward

[19:55:59] <varnent>	 hexmode: can you send me one page you now you'll want linked?  I just need one to get the book created so I can hand it over to you to add more pages  :)
[19:59:17] <hasharCall>	 varnent: what is that JEDI library ?
[19:59:33] <hasharCall>	 is that a new interface to make it easier to develop extensions?
[19:59:51] * Dantman  mumbles about how it's annoying we still kept the wg prefix while updating to mw.config.get

[19:59:52] <codurr>	 03jdlrobson * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/113283> 10/trunk/extensions/MobileFrontend/ (8 files in 3 dirs): (log message trimmed)
[19:59:52] <codurr>	 provide minified javascript
[19:59:52] <codurr>	 running make minified now generates minified versions of
[19:59:52] <codurr>	 all javascript code
[19:59:53] <codurr>	 these can be toggled between using the $minifyJS flag in
[19:59:54] <codurr>	 MobileFrontend.body.php
[19:59:54] <hexmode>	 varnent: 1s
[19:59:55] <codurr>	 TODO: move to resource loader for JS - I understand there
[20:00:16] <hasharCall>	 Dantman: it would be even more annoying to use something less
[20:00:25] <hexmode>	 varnent: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/API
[20:00:26] <Dantman>	 bah
[20:00:27] <hashar>	 something else
[20:00:46] <Dantman>	 A little compat rewrite here or there
[20:00:58] <Dantman>	 People using proper regexps when they do batch replacements
[20:01:09] <Dantman>	 mw.config.get('server'); !!!
[20:01:52] <hashar>	 mw::factory()->getConfig()->singleton()->getWikipediaGlobal( 'server' );
[20:02:09] * hashar  miss the good old $wgServer

[20:02:28] <Dantman>	 lol
[20:02:35] <hexmode>	 varnent: stepping out, let me know if there is anything else via email
[20:04:02] <codurr>	 03siebrand * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/113284> 10/trunk/translatewiki/Wikia/extensions.txt: Update support for Wikia MediaWiki extensions.
[20:06:57] <codurr>	 03gwicke * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/113285> 10/trunk/extensions/VisualEditor/modules/parser/ (11 files):
[20:06:57] <codurr>	 Token representation clean-up. Now all tokens are differentiated using
[20:06:57] <codurr>	 constructors instead of type attributes.
[20:10:58] <Dantman>	 Hmmm... I just thought of a rationale for -mw-embed() instead of /* @embed */
[20:11:52] <Dantman>	 background-image: -mw-file( 'Largeimage.jpg' ), -mw-embed( url( -mw-file( 'icon.gif' ) );
[20:12:22] <Dantman>	 We would want to embed the small icon, but we don't want to embed the really large .jpg
[20:13:25] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) jquery.makeCollapsible() very slow if many collapsible, initially collapsed elements - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34876  +comment (10lupo.bugzilla)
[20:13:51] <varnent>	 hexmode: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/JEDL - click on "Open in Book Creator" to open tool that allows you to tag other pages for inclusion
[20:14:03] <varnent>	 oh - ha - or I'll email that too  :)
[20:14:26] <Dantman>	 ;) That said, that rule also probably doesn't need IE support
[20:15:48] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) jquery.makeCollapsible() very slow if many collapsible, initially collapsed elements - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34876   +patch +performance +testme; +comment (10Lupo)
[20:15:52] <codurr>	 New code comment: Catrope; This is OK, but I would prefer to always to this if the two titles are different, not just if their ; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112918#c31941>
[20:16:49] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Feed diff-content should be hidden for users without the "read" user right - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/15472  +comment (10dieudonne)
[20:17:34] <pokeswap>	 am i allowed to change the copyright of my wiki?
[20:18:46] <pokeswap>	 i have to go so /querry me answer
[20:18:53] <pokeswap>	 *query
[20:19:15] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Invalid urls on www.mediawiki.org redirect to inexistant www.mediawiki.org/w/404.php - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35037  +comment (10brion)
[20:20:00] <Krenair>	 Krinkle-away: Still having that problem...
[20:20:12] <Krinkle-away>	 RoanKattouw: ^
[20:20:16] <RoanKattouw>	 What problem?
[20:20:17] <RoanKattouw>	 Oh
[20:20:22] <RoanKattouw>	 I forgot to touch the startup module
[20:20:48] <RoanKattouw>	 Done
[20:20:51] <Krenair>	 Actually the timestamp is fixed
[20:20:57] <RoanKattouw>	 Oh, what's wrong then
[20:20:58] <wikibugs>	 03(ASSIGNED) jquery.makeCollapsible() very slow if many collapsible, initially collapsed elements - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34876  +comment (10Krinkle)
[20:20:59] <pokeswap>	 i have to go so /query me answer
[20:21:20] <Krenair>	 RoanKattouw, WikiLove barnstars still display wikipedia's messages...
[20:21:37] <codurr>	 03tparscal * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/113286> 10/trunk/extensions/VisualEditor/modules/ve/dm/ve.dm.DocumentSyncronizer.js:
[20:21:37] <codurr>	 Added sketch for ve.dm.DocumentSynchronizer which is a utility object for
[20:21:37] <codurr>	 queueing up actions to be performed on the model tree such as deletion,
[20:21:38] <codurr>	 insertion, rebuilding, resizing and updating of node. Using this approach, we
[20:21:39] <codurr>	 can collect actions across multiple steps, and then normalize them to avoid
[20:21:40] <codurr>	 duplicate work and mutate the model tree in a single step.
[20:21:41] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Invalid urls on www.mediawiki.org redirect to inexistant www.mediawiki.org/w/404.php - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35037  +comment (10brion)
[20:22:08] <codurr>	 03emsmith * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/113287> 10/trunk/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5/ (4 files in 3 dirs): bug 34090 - usernames and formatted timestamps into red lines for hidden/oversighted both on page load and dynamic hide/oversight (uses the data-blah custom attribute trick with jquery)
[20:22:38] <Lcawte>	 I really do hope I can make it to Berlin, or I'm going to be very upset...
[20:24:09] <pokeswap>	 i have to go so /query me answer
[20:26:12] <codurr>	 03jdlrobson * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/113288> 10/trunk/extensions/MobileFrontend/stylesheets/common.css:
[20:26:12] <codurr>	 correct #results positioning again
[20:26:12] <codurr>	 was not displaying correctly on android, iphone
[20:26:12] <codurr>	 or chrome
[20:26:39] <codurr>	 03jdlrobson * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/113289> 10/trunk/extensions/MobileFrontend/stylesheets/ (beta_common.css common.css):
[20:26:39] <codurr>	 don't give banners a fixed height
[20:26:39] <codurr>	 where provider is a long name it spills out of banner
[20:26:39] <codurr>	 on smaller screens
[20:28:08] <codurr>	 03jdlrobson * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/113290> 10/trunk/extensions/MobileFrontend/templates/ApplicationTemplate.php: correct varnish buster for device css file
[20:44:01] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) ResourceLoaderWikiModule should auto-update when messages (created or overwritten) in the MediaWiki namespace change - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35036  summary (10Krinkle)
[20:44:21] <codurr>	 New code comment: Raymond; Some notes on a i18n/i10n base: \ # Dots in message key are very uncommon. I suggest to use dashes: 'c; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/113254#c31942>
[20:44:26] <codurr>	 03maxsem * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/113291> 10/trunk/extensions/MobileFrontend/api/ApiMobileView.php: argh, libxml again
[20:45:33] <codurr>	 03krinkle * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/113292> 10/trunk/phase3/RELEASE-NOTES-1.19: Follow-up r113277: release-notes
[20:48:15] <wikibugs>	 14(INVALID) Sanitizer:removeHTMLtags failure: it removes XHMTL style <img src=... /> tags when allowing this tag expressly - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35013  +comment (10T. Gries)
[20:54:18] * Dantman  contemplates the usefullness of git+WebSocket protocol support

[20:55:52] <Dantman>	 It would be a shame to use ws:// instead of git:// but it would still work nicely
[20:56:36] <Dantman>	 Too bad there's no way to fix that whole ssh overlay
[20:57:07] <codurr>	 03jdlrobson * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/113293> 10/trunk/extensions/MobileFrontend/stylesheets/ (beta_common.css common.css): force maximum width on images
[20:58:56] <Wikinaut>	 Hi, does anyone know why "iframe" is not part of the removed-by-default array of Sanitizer:removeHTMLtags ?
[21:01:19] <^demon>	 Because iframes are the latest web 2.0 tool for web scale applications.
[21:02:15] <hasharCall>	 we could use a new skin that make use of it
[21:02:30] <hasharCall>	 this way people will only have to load the text, not the whole interface
[21:03:09] <hasharCall>	 having some sleep
[21:03:12] <hasharCall>	 see you later!
[21:03:34] <codurr>	 03jdlrobson * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/113294> 10/trunk/extensions/MobileFrontend/stylesheets/ (beta_common.css common.css):
[21:03:34] <codurr>	 also override width with auto
[21:03:34] <codurr>	 follow up to r113293
[21:06:07] <codurr>	 03raymond * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/113295> 10/trunk/ (58 files in 39 dirs): Localisation updates for core and extension messages from translatewiki.net
[21:06:09] <codurr>	 03christian * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/113296> 10/trunk/extensions/VisualEditor/modules/ve/ce/ve.ce.Surface.js: replacing cursor after annotating works
[21:06:38] <codurr>	 03wikinaut * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/113297> 10/trunk/extensions/RSS/ (RELEASE-NOTES RSS.php RSSParser.php):
[21:06:38] <codurr>	 fix for bug34763 'RSS feed items (HTML) are not rendered as HTML but
[21:06:38] <codurr>	 htmlescaped'; tolerated controlled regression bug30377 'feed item length
[21:06:38] <codurr>	 limitation', because this now becomes very tricky when we allow some tags in
[21:06:39] <codurr>	 order to close bug 34763.
[21:07:39] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) RSS feed items (HTML) are not rendered as HTML but htmlescaped - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34763  +comment (10T. Gries)
[21:08:05] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) RSS feed items (HTML) are not rendered as HTML but htmlescaped - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34763  (10T. Gries)
[21:08:05] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Suggestion: add a new parameter to limit the number of characters when rendering the channel item <description> - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/30377  (10T. Gries)
[21:09:21] <codurr>	 New code comment: SPQRobin; I asked for a specific license, but he still says that it can be used as desired and that he doesn't; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112983#c31943>
[21:11:00] <wikibugs>	 04(REOPENED) Suggestion: add a new parameter to limit the number of characters when rendering the channel item <description> - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/30377  +comment (10T. Gries)
[21:13:31] <Locos_epraix>	 I'm wondering, is there a function to add a new section to the sidebar?
[21:13:33] <Locos_epraix>	 or do I have to write my own?
[21:14:27] <codurr>	 03nad * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/113298> 10/trunk/extensions/TreeAndMenu/star.js: radius not working - made it proportional to number of child nodes
[21:17:38] <hexmode>	 varnent: back... is the "library" up?
[21:17:45] * hexmode  checks recent changes

[21:17:51] <codurr>	 New code comment: Helder.wiki; Er.. This remembers me that if a user is not using "English", this text (and those from the other me; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/113203#c31944>
[21:20:38] <codurr>	 03nad * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/113299> 10/trunk/extensions/TreeAndMenu/star.js: make width 100% and bigger radius
[21:21:34] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Make MathJax menus translatable - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35038 normal; MediaWiki extensions: Math (texvc); (mybugs.mail)
[21:21:35] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Set $wgUseMathJax = true on Wikimedia wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31406  (10mybugs.mail)
[21:22:21] <codurr>	 New code comment: Helder.wiki; Bug 35038.; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/113203#c31945>
[21:22:48] <varnent>	 hexmode: yup - https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/JEDL
[21:23:29] <varnent>	 hexmode: let the force be with you
[21:23:37] <varnent>	 *may
[21:23:50] <varnent>	 lol - damn Episcopal upbringing - mixing up my phrases
[21:24:03] <codurr>	 03netbrain * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/113300> 10/trunk/extensions/SideBarMenu/ (5 files in 2 dirs): tweaked extension for translations
[21:24:06] <codurr>	 03netbrain * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/113301> 10/trunk/extensions/SideBarMenu/.gitignore: added .gitignore
[21:24:16] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) Math extension's MathJax mode doesn't trigger in Chrome, IE - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34900  +comment (10Brion Vibber)
[21:25:00] <varnent>	 hexmode: Open in Book Creator lets you go about MW.org and "add pages" to the library
[21:25:28] <varnent>	 wikinaut: ping
[21:25:36] <Wikinaut>	 pong
[21:25:40] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Make MathJax menus translatable [upstream] - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35038   +upstream; summary; +comment (10Brion Vibber)
[21:25:43] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Set $wgUseMathJax = true on Wikimedia wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31406  (10Brion Vibber)
[21:25:50] <codurr>	 03jdlrobson * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/113302> 10/trunk/extensions/MobileFrontend/stylesheets/common.css: fixed height for search input
[21:25:51] <hexmode>	 varnent: tyvvm
[21:25:58] <^demon>	 !sidebar | Locos_epraix
[21:25:58] <mw-bot>	 Locos_epraix: To edit the navigation menu on the left, edit page [[MediaWiki:Sidebar]] on your wiki using its special syntax. For more details, see http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Interface/Sidebar
[21:26:51] <codurr>	 New code comment: Brion VIBBER; Yeah, at some point we'll want to see how we can add that in and see if they'll take the changes ups; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/113203#c31946>
[21:26:57] <Locos_epraix>	 Thanks ^demon
[21:27:24] <^demon>	 You're welcome.
[21:28:05] <varnent>	 hexmode: yw
[21:28:19] <varnent>	 Wikinaut: any thoughts on adding https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/JEDL to MVL once JEDL is more filled out?
[21:29:34] <varnent>	 Wikinaut: also - MVL gets a front page link on this new concept homepage:  https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/MediaWiki.org_Main_Page_tweaks/Sandbox/v10
[21:32:02] <Wikinaut>	 varnent cryptic name JS/API/UI Extension Developer Resources
[21:32:44] <codurr>	 03netbrain * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/113303> 10/trunk/extensions/SideBarMenu/ (4 files in 3 dirs): fixed more i18n, replaced dots for dashes
[21:33:07] <codurr>	 New code comment: Netbrain; this should be fixed now.; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/113254#c31947>
[21:33:09] <varnent>	 Wikinaut: yeah - it may be changed - I think guillom m improve it at some point..
[21:34:20] <^demon>	 Can we please please stop using these silly acronyms for everything?
[21:34:33] <^demon>	 Nobody on earth is ever going to call it JEDL or anything so silly.
[21:35:11] <Lcawte>	 ^demon: Have you tried the new MWB ? :D
[21:35:28] <^demon>	 I don't know, because I don't memorize acronyms.
[21:35:41] <Lcawte>	 Acronyms are cool... thats a new one I just made up, its MediaWiki Beta... LO
[21:35:44] <Lcawte>	 :P *
[21:36:03] <^demon>	 Pfft, no. I don't run betas or stable releases unless I'm tracking down a bug.
[21:36:08] <^demon>	 Real men run trunk.
[21:36:15] <Lcawte>	 I run trunk :D#
[21:36:25] <^demon>	 Welcome to the big kid sandbox :)
[21:37:16] * Lcawte  sqweels with excitement

[21:37:41] <codurr>	 03inez * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/113304> 10/trunk/extensions/VisualEditor/modules/ve/ce/ve.ce.Surface.js: Small refactoring. Changed method name, from Surface.getSelection to Surface.getSelectionRange.
[21:38:06] <varnent>	 I think my web host company is trying to give me an anxiety ulcer..it's like a painful breakup..they just won't let us go..they're layering on the guilt..where's Dan...
[21:38:45] <^demon>	 varnent: I prefer choosing a host where I never hear from them unless there's a problem or I e-mail them first.
[21:39:07] <^demon>	 Like a friends with benefits, rather than a real relationship.
[21:39:40] <varnent>	 ^demon: that's generally my preference - lol - which is why I've been with this company for 10 yrs..but we're a nonprofit and can save probably 30-40% (only like 20 mos for now though) going with Linode..so..I'm torn..  :)
[21:39:55] <varnent>	 ^demon: they're the longest relationship I've had..aside from blood family..lol
[21:40:03] <Mp5shooter>	 varnent
[21:40:06] <Mp5shooter>	 linode is overpriced
[21:40:13] * varnent  just isn't sure Linode will love us the same way  :)

[21:40:26] * varnent  but is really cheap..

[21:40:28] <codurr>	 03jdlrobson * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/113305> 10/trunk/extensions/MobileFrontend/stylesheets/ (beta_common.css common.css):
[21:40:28] <codurr>	 remove fixed height
[21:40:28] <codurr>	 banner no longer has a fixed height so height auto
[21:40:28] <codurr>	 better here
[21:40:30] <^demon>	 Continuing the analogy, that'd make Linode a gold digger.
[21:40:32] <Mp5shooter>	 varnent, worth mentioning: linode was compromised a little bit ago, and one of the largest bitcoin holders had his wallet stolen
[21:40:45] <Mp5shooter>	 peoples' VPS root passwords were force-changed
[21:41:03] <^demon>	 Mp5shooter: I think the mistake was using bitcoins to begin with, but I digress.
[21:41:09] <varnent>	 ah well - we'll probably just suck it up and stay with them at a little bit more a month
[21:41:17] <Mp5shooter>	 Nah, the mistake was keeping your wallet on a remote server, lol
[21:41:22] <pokeswap|away>	 am i allowed to change the copyright of my wiki?
[21:41:25] <hexmode>	 varnent: halp?  I pointed to the RL book... I guess I should just transclude that somehow?
[21:41:39] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Article Feedback Page v5 - Request Oversight issues - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35035  summary (10Fabrice Florin)
[21:41:55] <codurr>	 03christian * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/113306> 10/trunk/extensions/VisualEditor/modules/ve/ce/ve.ce.Surface.js: removing usage of rangy anchornode for determining rendering scope - using model and autoRender
[21:42:02] <Mp5shooter>	 my host offers a guarantee
[21:42:07] <^demon>	 pokeswap|away: Depends on the license. Generally speaking you need to have consent from your authors.
[21:42:13] <Mp5shooter>	 if they are compromised and something happens to your server they'll pay out
[21:42:13] <hexmode>	 pokeswap|away: this is a wiki you host?  Have you consulted with all contributors?
[21:42:17] <^demon>	 IANAL.
[21:42:28] * hexmode  plays perry mason

[21:42:41] <^demon>	 Totally read that as James Mason.
[21:42:46] <hexmode>	 heh
[21:42:49] <^demon>	 James Mason as a lawyer? Heh.
[21:43:07] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) No-longer-existing userrights still present on the userrights personal dossier - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35039 normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (maurelio)
[21:43:48] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Make MathJax menus translatable [upstream] - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35038  +comment (10brion)
[21:44:04] <^demon>	 hexmode: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GaDAjHKYC4
[21:44:07] <varnent>	 hexmode: not sure what you mean.. could transclude - but should just be able to use the creator to add links..
[21:44:31] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Article Feedback Page v5 - Request Oversight issues - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35035  +comment (10fflorin)
[21:44:50] <^demon>	 hexmode: Just the first ~50s when he does a James Mason impression of JFK.
[21:44:53] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Article Feedback Page v5 - Request Oversight issues - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35035  04CRIT->major (10Fabrice Florin)
[21:44:54] <varnent>	 Mp5shooter: hmm..good info..Linode has been great so far..but it's only been two months..the other host..like I said..it's been 10 years and aside from being a bit security paranoid and more expensive than I'd like..can't complain..plus they're local
[21:45:29] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Revise the footer on our mobile pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35040 enhancement; MediaWiki extensions: MobileFrontend; (tfinc)
[21:45:41] <varnent>	 Mp5shooter: but - we've never needed VPS from them - used others for that - only used their shared..so..
[21:45:50] <Mp5shooter>	 ah
[21:45:50] <codurr>	 03bsitu * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/113307> 10/trunk/phase3/includes/specials/SpecialNewpages.php: followup to -r112918 - display old title in SpecialNews page when namespace or title text has been changed
[21:46:20] <^demon>	 I've been with vps.net for about 2 years now.
[21:46:24] <^demon>	 They're pretty cool.
[21:46:43] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) MobileFrontend should support full screen search - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/32701  +comment (10tfinc)
[21:46:58] <Mp5shooter>	 I've been with SystemInPlace/RapidXen for almost two years
[21:47:39] <hexmode>	 varnent: I put [[Manual:Books/ResourceLoader]] and it just pointed to the page in the pdf... but I wanted to include the book.  trying again
[21:47:49] <^demon>	 I like vps.net because you buy set "nodes" of cpu/disk space/memory and you can allocate them to however many/few VPSs you want.
[21:48:06] <^demon>	 And if you need to scale your VPS, just allocate another node to it.
[21:48:23] <hashar>	 been using wikimedia servers for 8 years. Was sporadically up at the beginning, then eventually became a 100% uptime or so.
[21:48:26] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Mobile contact us page is more complicated then it needs to be - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35041 enhancement; Wikimedia Mobile: Content; (tfinc)
[21:48:43] <^demon>	 hashar: userdirs on fenari :)
[21:48:47] <varnent>	 hexmode: hmm..haven't tried transcluding a book page before..seems like it should work..let me know - can try somethign
[21:49:17] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) References section is poorly formatted - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34878  +comment (10tfinc)
[21:49:29] <hashar>	 ^demon: exactly ;)
[21:51:48] <codurr>	 03netbrain * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/113308> 10/trunk/extensions/SideBarMenu/LICENSE: added gplv3 license
[21:56:13] <Dantman>	 O_o wtf, FireBug's js handling of ternaries seams wrong
[21:56:15] <kajo>	 Hi, doing an upgrade from 1.16.5 to 1.18.1... I have never upgraded, and installed it almost a year ago, so I'm rusty on this. I have checked my prereq's, and seem good, and I see that next I'm supposed to untar with this: pg_dump --create -Fc -i yourwiki > yourwiki.db.dump
[21:56:22] <kajo>	 sorry, wrong line
[21:56:34] <kajo>	 $ tar xvzf mediawiki-1.18.1.tar.gz -C /path/to/your/wiki/ --strip-components=1
[21:56:36] <kajo>	 that.
[21:56:42] <kajo>	 What is the path to my wiki?
[21:56:47] <kajo>	 /var/www?
[21:57:09] <sha0>	 Good day.  How might I export users and passwords, for importing into a mirror?
[21:57:10] <kajo>	 or the tar file itself?
[21:57:15] <Dantman>	 If that's where you installed it
[21:57:27] <Dantman>	 Though it's usually best to extract to a new directory
[21:57:32] <Platonides>	 sha0, make a db dump
[21:57:50] <sha0>	 Platonides: Thanks, but wouldn't that be more than just the users?
[21:58:01] <Platonides>	 yes
[21:58:08] <Platonides>	 users are in user table
[21:58:18] <kajo>	 Dantman, you mean I should extract it to, say, /var/wwwNEW, or something? Or should I move the existing /var/www and just replace it?
[21:58:20] <Platonides>	 but for a mirror, you surely would want everything?
[21:58:21] <sha0>	 Unfortunately, I cannot do that.  
[21:58:43] <sha0>	 Let me change "mirror" to "new instance which has had a importDump.php run to import all content"
[21:58:46] <Platonides>	 kajo, move & replace will work, with a few items to be moved back
[21:59:08] <kajo>	 what specifically? Just localsettings, adminsettings, and images?
[21:59:12] <kajo>	 or anything else?
[21:59:18] <Platonides>	 I think that's all
[21:59:27] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Moscow Time Zone Update - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35042 minor; MediaWiki: Special pages; (scweber)
[21:59:29] <Platonides>	 sha0, would have been easier to import a db dump
[21:59:39] <Platonides>	 but it's your choice
[21:59:56] <Lcawte>	 Hmm, the main hackathons that a large number of staff fly out for are all staff meetings, or strategicly important ones right?
[22:00:01] <sha0>	 Platonides: I actually couldn't, as I needed to migrate from MySQL to SQLite.
[22:00:16] <Platonides>	 I see
[22:00:16] <sha0>	 (Which results in borkage)
[22:01:03] <Platonides>	 maybe dumping in very strict mode (= disabling most mysql extensions) could have worked
[22:01:31] <Dantman>	 kajo: extensions/ to
[22:01:56] <sha0>	 Hmm.
[22:01:57] <Dantman>	 kajo: I mention it because extracting a tarball over top of an installation doesn't drop old files
[22:02:26] <Dantman>	 kajo: We've moved some files and as a result you'll end up with a setup where you have some 1.16 files lying around mixed in with your 1.17 code
[22:02:27] <^demon>	 Lcawte: Depends on the event, who's available and interested, transportation costs, etc.
[22:02:30] <Dantman>	 1.18*
[22:02:36] <kajo>	 So, just to confirm: "mkdir /var/wwwbackup" "mv /var/www /var/wwwbackup" "tar xvzf mediawiki-1.18.1.tar.gz -C /var/www --strip-components=1" and then copy images, adminsetings, localsettings, and extensions from /var/wwwbackup? Will that work?
[22:03:06] <Dantman>	 I don't believe you need a mkdir
[22:03:13] <Lcawte>	 ^demon: Well, transportation costs is whatever it takes to get to London... the event... well, its a hackathon... who's interested... probably not enough people :P
[22:03:44] <kajo>	 Dantman, but other than that it's good?
[22:03:50] <wikibugs>	 14(INVALID) Moscow Time Zone Update - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35042   +upstream; +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[22:03:52] <kajo>	 will that complete the update?
[22:04:12] <kajo>	 or then I have to run php update.php from the maintenance directory...
[22:04:18] <Dantman>	 kajo: Yes.
[22:04:36] <kajo>	 that seems dramatically easy.
[22:04:46] <kajo>	 This will have the new wiki appearance currently in use on wikipedia, right?
[22:05:03] <Dantman>	 kajo: That's been included since 1.16
[22:05:31] <Dantman>	 kajo: If you have a $wgDefaultSkin = 'monobook'; lying around in your localsettings it'll stay monobook, but you can change it by switching that to vector.
[22:05:42] <^demon>	 We need Vector-v2 ;-)
[22:06:18] <kajo>	 Dantman... are you serious? Haha, that's amazing. I'll go ahead and update anyways, but I didn't realize that. How exactly do I switch to the new skin?
[22:06:20] <Dantman>	 ^demon: Before Athena? Want to start making a list of backwards incompatible things we want to fix?
[22:06:31] <sha0>	 Does anyone happen to know what table(s) store the usernames and passwords?
[22:06:42] <Dantman>	 kajo: $wgDefaultSkin controls the wiki's defualt
[22:07:02] <Dantman>	 sha0: user
[22:07:23] <sha0>	 Dantman: One table?  Seems pretty straight-forward, thanks...
[22:07:28] <^demon>	 Dantman: Oh yeah I forgot about athena :p
[22:07:52] <kajo>	 I guess I'll get back to that
[22:07:57] <Dantman>	 sha0: Sure. We do have some things like user_preferences and user_groups, but all the primary data is of course in one table.
[22:09:21] <sha0>	 Dantman: Aha/.
[22:13:00] <codurr>	 03jdlrobson * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/113309> 10/trunk/extensions/MobileFrontend/stylesheets/ (beta_common.css common.css):
[22:13:01] <codurr>	 fix large broken info boxes and tables
[22:13:02] <codurr>	 large tables due to word-break applied to body
[22:13:02] <codurr>	 tag get broken
[22:13:03] <codurr>	 thanks yuivpanda for pointing this out
[22:13:12] <kajo>	 well, dantman, it didn't work
[22:13:44] <kajo>	 looks like it wants me to actually specify a working /var/www, because it gave me a bunch of 'directory doesn't exist:' errors
[22:14:33] <codurr>	 03jdlrobson * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/113310> 10/trunk/extensions/MobileFrontend/stylesheets/beta_common.css:
[22:14:34] <codurr>	 also set width of tables in beta_common.css
[22:14:34] <codurr>	 follow up to r113309
[22:14:47] <kajo>	 now I can't figure out how to make my /var/wwwbackup back into /var/www. When I try "mv /var/wwwbackup /var/www" it puts the /wwwbackup folder *inside* of /var/www. Confusing.
[22:15:07] <Reedy>	 rename /var/www
[22:15:31] <kajo>	 Hi Reedy
[22:15:39] <kajo>	 full command?
[22:15:48] <Reedy>	 mv /var/www /var/wwwold
[22:16:15] <sha0>	 You've all been really helpful and I'm pretty sure I'm on my way to "solved" status.  Thanks a lot!
[22:16:34] <kajo>	 no, I want to move the old file back to being /var/www. I already have /var/wwwbackup, now I want to turn that into /var/www
[22:16:48] <Reedy>	 yes
[22:16:49] <Reedy>	 do that
[22:16:56] <Reedy>	 and then
[22:16:56] <Reedy>	 mv /var/wwwbackup /var/www
[22:18:04] <sha0>	 Have a pleasant day.
[22:18:05] <kajo>	 that is exactly what I don't know how to do. mv /var/wwwbackup /var/www puts /var/wwwbackup inside of the current /var/www; maybe if I use rmdir /var/www before I do the mv, it will just create the /var/www directory like i want?
[22:18:50] <Reedy>	 rm'ing /var/www then moving /var/wwwbackup into its places is all but the same as moving it first
[22:19:02] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) MobileFrontend section folding doesn't avoid downloading never-viewed text and images - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31011  +comment (10yyairrand)
[22:19:52] <mirage335>	 I can't find a page telling admins to do such things as _delete_the_mw-config_directory_. This worries me: what else might I have missed?!
[22:20:22] <mirage335>	 Seriously, I want to make sure my wiki is secure.
[22:21:39] <Lcawte>	 Hmmm, if I want to run a hackathon and get a load of staff to it this year, the month after Wikimania probably isn't the best idea, is it...
[22:22:02] <^demon>	 OSCon is right after Wikimania, so you might have people going to that too.
[22:22:18] <Lcawte>	 True...
[22:22:31] <Lcawte>	 What is with all the hackathons this year :/
[22:22:48] <Lcawte>	 Hmm, maybe in my October half term... the week before my work experaince...
[22:23:21] <Reedy>	 mirage335: you don't have to delete it
[22:23:50] <mirage335>	 Actually, I found it *was* giving out a localsettings.php file *with* my credentials. :|
[22:24:42] <Lcawte>	 Hmm, is WMF/MW doing anything at OScon, a booth, a talk or a get together for example, because I think I'd be able to get out for that week...
[22:25:12] <Reedy>	 Getting there and attending won't be cheap
[22:25:30] <gvm1>	 Can anyone help me with a wiki markup question?  I've uploaded a sample here: http://pastebin.com/Vs8nP1bc .  I want to create multi-line code boxes, indented to match the surrounding text.  I've tried various ways to do it, and the only one that gives the right output is some pretty ugly markup.  Am I missing something? Is there a neater way to achieve this result?
[22:25:33] <^demon>	 Some people might be presenting. We don't typically do a booth at OSCon though.
[22:26:50] <varnent>	 Lcawte: you could do a participation grant for OScon..
[22:27:01] <Dantman>	 mirage335: Presumably tied to your session that other people won't see ;)
[22:27:30] <mirage335>	 Dantman: Good point. Thanks. *feels wave of relief*
[22:28:41] <Lcawte>	 Hmm, I wish the WMF would set up a temp office in London the week I have my school work experience... ^.^
[22:30:24] * varnent  happy to rent his office out to WMF - but about 3750 miles away from London  :(

[22:31:37] <^demon>	 My office is 3 feet from my bed.
[22:32:44] <Lcawte>	 I doubt my school will let me do a work experience placement that means I work remotely, or means I have to fly to the US... /me shrugs, must enquire
[22:32:47] <varnent>	 my main office is 10 ft from my bed (in the man cave) - but my second office is about 15 miles from my bed..that one I'd rent out..the one 10 ft from my bed..not so much
[22:32:48] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) MobileFrontend section folding doesn't avoid downloading never-viewed text and images - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31011  +comment (10maxsem.wiki)
[22:33:40] <MaxSem>	 Lcawte, but they allow you to flip burgers locally?
[22:33:49] <Lcawte>	 More than likely...
[22:34:06] <varnent>	 MaxSem: someone has to cook the prof's food..
[22:34:11] <codurr>	 03emsmith * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/113311> 10/trunk/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5/ (2 files in 2 dirs):
[22:34:11] <codurr>	 bug 34090 - fixing the username bugs - apparently using the data- stuff with
[22:34:11] <codurr>	 jquery makes .data() not work right, so went back to own custom attributes and
[22:34:12] <codurr>	 pushing them into the javascript method when populating the name/timestamp
[22:34:40] <Lcawte>	 I'm probably going to see if I can get a work experience placement at the local radio station, working with the station engineer... or in one of many web design companies I am told exist in Brighton...
[22:34:44] <MaxSem>	 that's life. nobody says that it makes any sense
[22:34:55] <MaxSem>	 (that is, life)
[22:35:08] <Lcawte>	 Maybe I could even end up in the Skiff again... that'd be cool, since they had an expansion...
[22:37:37] <varnent>	 ugh - all I've had to do is deliver bad news to ppl today - lol - anyone got something positive I can tell them?  :)
[22:37:51] <Krenair>	 http://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Roadmap&diff=507766&oldid=507645 26 revisions... ugh
[22:45:02] <gvm1>	 Can anyone suggest where I might be able to go to get some help with my wiki markup question? 
[22:45:32] <Krenair>	 What is the question?
[22:45:56] <gvm1>	 I've uploaded a wiki markup sample here: http://pastebin.com/Vs8nP1bc . I want to create multi-line code boxes, indented to match the surrounding text. I've tried various ways to do it, and the only one that gives the right output is some pretty ugly markup. Am I missing something? Is there a neater way to achieve this result?
[22:46:51] <codurr>	 03aaron * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/113312> 10/trunk/phase3/includes/filerepo/file/LocalFile.php: (log message trimmed)
[22:46:51] <codurr>	 [FileRepo]
[22:46:51] <codurr>	 * Made upload() explicitly check $status->successCount rather than isOk() as
[22:46:51] <codurr>	 FileRepo::publish() gives fatal statuses where it used to only give warnings.
[22:46:52] <codurr>	 This way, failed uploads still displace the current image DB row to oldimage
[22:46:53] <codurr>	 rather than do nothing and have the same image row point to a new file (which
[22:46:54] <codurr>	 can cause mismatched metadata).
[22:48:01] <AaronSchulz>	 TimStarling: can you look at that?
[22:49:36] <TimStarling>	 ok
[22:49:42] <codurr>	 03jdlrobson * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/113313> 10/trunk/extensions/MobileFrontend/stylesheets/ (beta_common.css common.css): fix problems with images with custom widths
[22:49:51] <AaronSchulz>	 TimStarling: also for reference: https://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/includes/filerepo/FSRepo.php?revision=105985&view=markup
[22:50:14] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) SQL Injection into search form - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35043 critical; MediaWiki: Search; (roberthend15)
[22:50:36] <TimStarling>	 I'm not a big fan of commented-out code
[22:51:19] <AaronSchulz>	 well it's sort of a reminder, along with the "XXX"
[22:51:35] <AaronSchulz>	 it all still sucks, but this should restore the previously level of breakage
[22:51:38] <AaronSchulz>	 *previous
[22:52:42] <TimStarling>	 can you replace it with a comment that explains the bug without the use of commented-out code?
[22:53:41] <AaronSchulz>	 remove it if you want, I don't really care much
[22:55:07] <TimStarling>	 ok
[22:55:56] <codurr>	 03krinkle * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/113314> 10/trunk/tools/ToolserverI18N/scripts/ (getFalbacks.php getFallbacks.php):
[22:55:56] <codurr>	 [TsIntution] Fix typo in file name
[22:55:56] <codurr>	 - Poke r91589, r90764
[22:58:14] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Creating new layout for Gujarati Typewriter Keyboard - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35044 normal; MediaWiki extensions: Narayam; (dsvyas)
[23:00:43] <codurr>	 03tstarling * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/113315> 10/trunk/phase3/includes/filerepo/file/LocalFile.php: Fix for r113312: explain the bug without the use of commented-out code
[23:00:50] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Use history.replaceState to rewrite redirect urls - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35045 normal; MediaWiki: Redirects; (mediawiki-bugs)
[23:01:42] <codurr>	 03krinkle * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/113316> 10/trunk/tools/ToolserverI18N/scripts/ (toolserver_init tsIntUpdate):
[23:01:43] <codurr>	 [TsIntution] Check-in of build script for home-dir on toolserver
[23:01:43] <codurr>	 - Basically pretending to be a puppet manifest
[23:01:53] <codurr>	 03emsmith * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/113317> 10/trunk/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5/modules/jquery.articleFeedbackv5/ (2 files): bug 34090 - js and css voodoo to make the element with the red lines appear above the gray mask
[23:03:52] <codurr>	 03jdlrobson * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/113318> 10/trunk/extensions/MobileFrontend/stylesheets/ (6 files):
[23:03:52] <codurr>	 further stylesheet cleanup
[23:03:52] <codurr>	 why should nokia have a larger font size?
[23:03:52] <codurr>	 there is no reference to an element with id clearButton
[23:03:53] <codurr>	 anywhere in the MobileFrontend code
[23:04:06] <codurr>	 New code comment: Elizabeth M Smith;  r113269 is the missing delete; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/113247#c31949>
[23:04:23] <codurr>	 03aaron * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/113319> 10/branches/wmf/1.19wmf1/ (. includes/ includes/filerepo/file/LocalFile.php): MFT r113312
[23:08:15] <Amgine>	 Sumanah: do we have any idea how many people are involved in coding/supporting MW?
[23:08:33] <Reedy>	 lots
[23:09:18] <Amgine>	 <raps Reedy's knuckles> I'm trying to write crappy hyperbole. "Lots" won't quite do.
[23:09:41] <Reedy>	 Well, we have a list of devs on Special:Version/the README
[23:09:46] <Reedy>	 we have a credits file also
[23:09:59] <Reedy>	 you can see how recently users have committed via CodeReview
[23:10:12] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) "upload a new version" replaces old version - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34993  +comment (10Aaron Schulz)
[23:10:50] <Amgine>	 <tries>
[23:13:29] * Dantman  wishes he could hope for XP to die

[23:17:01] <mindrones>	 AaronSchulz here?
[23:17:27] <mindrones>	 AaronSchulz I'd need your help on flaggedrevs, seems I cant use it or it is bugged :/
[23:18:25] <codurr>	 03laner * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/113320> 10/trunk/debs/wikimedia-task-dns-auth/gen-langlist-cnames: Add zero support.
[23:18:33] <Ryan_Lane>	 preilly: ^^
[23:22:11] <kajo>	 trying to change my logo...
[23:22:29] <kajo>	 not understanding the instructions, because it doesn't look like my Localsettings file, to some extent.
[23:22:35] <kajo>	 $wgLogo = "{$wgScriptPath}/photoname.jpg";
[23:23:11] <kajo>	 is what it says it should look like... currently, my (broken) localsettings looke like "$wgLogo             = "$wgStylePath signature\ kis_lev_logo1.png";
[23:23:11] <kajo>	 ".... What should I do with it?
[23:23:52] <codurr>	 03kaldari * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/113321> 10/trunk/extensions/WikiLove/ApiWikiLove.php: using sweet new 1.19 method! Bodacious! Also making sure that section headers (aka subjects) are always handled correctly.
[23:24:20] <kajo>	 can someone help me change my logo?
[23:24:39] <Reedy>	 Use an absolute url for your logo
[23:24:40] <Reedy>	 !url
[23:24:41] <mw-bot>	 To create simple URLs (such as the /wiki/PAGENAME style URLs on Wikimedia sites), follow the instructions at <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL> or try the new beta tool at <http://shorturls.redwerks.org/>. There are instructions for most different webserver setups. If you have problems getting the rewrite rules to work, see !rewriteproblem
[23:24:42] <Reedy>	 !logo
[23:24:42] <mw-bot>	 The logo that appears in the top left of each page is from $wgLogo in LocalSettings.php. To change this you change the value of $wgLogo to point to the URL of your own logo. See <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgLogo>. Be sure $wgLogo is set to an absolute path, starting with "/" (or a protocol "http:"/"https:"). Using pretty URLs a relative path will behave oddly. 135x135 pixels
[23:25:19] <kajo>	 problem is, mine isn't at a URL, I've uploaded it to the server. And I'm looking at the wiki page for how to do it, and I don't get it. :\
[23:25:35] <Reedy>	 Where is it uploaded to on the server?
[23:25:44] <Reedy>	 You uploaded it to mediawiki?
[23:25:55] <kajo>	 I put it in three places--my home folder,  my images folder, and my /var/www folder
[23:26:21] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) [regression] jquery.ui buttons in Monobook exchanged - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35046 normal; MediaWiki: Javascript; (rainerrillke)
[23:26:50] <Reedy>	 if it's in /var/www you can access it directly
[23:26:54] <kajo>	 exactly
[23:26:57] <kajo>	 that's why I put it there
[23:27:03] <kajo>	 but what do I write in the localsettings page?
[23:27:16] <hexmode>	 varnent: what do you think of JEDL now?
[23:27:17] <Reedy>	 so set wgLogo to "http://address.com/path/to/image.png
[23:27:17] <kajo>	 $wgLogo = "{$wgScriptPath}/photoname.jpg";
[23:27:17] <kajo>	 <kajo> is what it says it should look like... currently, my (broken) localsettings looke like "$wgLogo             = "$wgStylePath signature\ kis_lev_logo1.png"; is what I have
[23:27:20] <saper>	 can you see it with http://your.site/kis_lev_logo1.png ?
[23:27:28] <kajo>	 why http?
[23:27:33] <kajo>	 it's local...
[23:27:36] <wikibugs>	 14(WFM) jQuery UI Button Icons do not display properly in Monobook (causing a new line in the button) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34343  +comment (10Rainer@Rillke.eu)
[23:27:39] <Reedy>	 Don't use $wgStylePath
[23:27:43] <Reedy>	 use an absolute url
[23:27:57] <hexmode>	  varnent: need to add some more stuff about css, etc
[23:28:02] <saper>	 kajo: are you going to access your wiki with HTTP or not?
[23:28:02] <kajo>	 can url refer to a non-web address?
[23:28:07] <saper>	 no
[23:28:08] <Reedy>	 no
[23:28:08] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) jQuery UI Button Icons do not display properly in Monobook (causing a new line in the button) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34343  +comment (10rainerrillke)
[23:28:09] <kajo>	 yes
[23:28:10] <varnent>	 hexmode: looking good!
[23:28:21] <kajo>	 well, it's a web wiki accessed via an ip address.
[23:28:27] <saper>	 so...? can you access your image via HTTP?
[23:28:27] <Reedy>	 doesn't matter
[23:28:29] <kajo>	 if that's what you mean
[23:28:35] <Reedy>	 http://1.2.3.4/image.png
[23:28:37] <saper>	 http://1.2.3.4/my_image.jpg ?
[23:28:41] <kajo>	 ?
[23:28:59] <varnent>	 hexmode: maybe add a blurb above the links explaining what's going on
[23:29:36] <kajo>	 Ok, can someone just give me something to copy and paste and put in, because I don't get what you're saying at all. If it's not hosted on the web, then I don't understand why I should have http:// in the path... it's just a local file, same directory... so I don't have a clue how to follow what you're telling me. 
[23:29:55] <Reedy>	 it's in your /var/www
[23:30:00] <kajo>	 correct
[23:30:06] <Reedy>	 /var/www can be visited remotely via http://1.2.3.4
[23:30:17] <kajo>	 there, didn't know that. Cool. But is it necessary?
[23:30:20] <kajo>	 that just confuses me.
[23:30:24] <hexmode>	 varnent: I haven't used the book thing that much.  Is that per-user?
[23:30:34] <Reedy>	 so copy what is the extra physical path, and put that after http://1.2.3.4
[23:30:44] <varnent>	 hexmode: universal
[23:30:45] <Reedy>	 /var/www/logo.png -> http://1.2.3.4/logo.png
[23:31:04] <varnent>	 hexmode: the page being protected probably limits ppl who can add to the book - but otherwise..
[23:31:05] <hexmode>	 varnent: I think I must have screwed it up, then
[23:31:10] <kajo>	 Can you give me the exact line? I don't know what to cut and what not to. I don't get the php part of this file at all....
[23:31:25] <hexmode>	 varnent: can you fix it once I add the CSS stuff?
[23:31:26] <kajo>	 I know nothing about php, basically.
[23:31:32] <varnent>	 hexmode: sure
[23:32:02] <Reedy>	 This isn't php
[23:32:06] <Reedy>	 What is the physical location?
[23:32:09] <kajo>	 Thing is, this instruction is given on the wiki: Or upload an image to your server by other means (such as FTP). Add the $wgLogo line to LocalSettings.php, for example:
[23:32:10] <kajo>	 $wgLogo = "{$wgScriptPath}/photoname.jpg";
[23:32:12] <Reedy>	 What is your servers ip?
[23:32:18] <kajo>	 The localsettings.php file is a php file....
[23:32:18] <Reedy>	 !logo
[23:32:19] <mw-bot>	 The logo that appears in the top left of each page is from $wgLogo in LocalSettings.php. To change this you change the value of $wgLogo to point to the URL of your own logo. See <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgLogo>. Be sure $wgLogo is set to an absolute path, starting with "/" (or a protocol "http:"/"https:"). Using pretty URLs a relative path will behave oddly. 135x135 pixels
[23:32:29] <codurr>	 03inez * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/113322> 10/trunk/extensions/VisualEditor/modules/ve/ce/ve.ce.Surface.js: Added getDOMNodeAndOffset and showSelection methods to Surface. Ohhh and little wrapper around it - showCursor.
[23:32:33] <kajo>	 and the $wgwhatevercrap is what I don't know how to manipulate
[23:32:40] <codurr>	 03jeroendedauw * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/113323> 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticResultFormats/ (RELEASE-NOTES SRF_Settings.php SemanticResultFormats.php): 1.7.1 rel
[23:32:57] <kajo>	 ip is http://174.129.239.112
[23:32:59] <codurr>	 03jdlrobson * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/113324> 10/trunk/extensions/MobileFrontend/DeviceDetection.php:
[23:33:00] <codurr>	 enable jquery for nintendo wiis
[23:33:00] <codurr>	 they should be able to handle jQuery
[23:33:45] <codurr>	 03inez * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/113325> 10/trunk/extensions/VisualEditor/modules/ve/ce/ve.ce.Surface.js: Get rid of showCursorAt method. And replace calls to it with calls to showCursor.
[23:35:25] <kajo>	 There, got it on my own... just copy-pasted the line, put a # on the original line, and inserted my file name. Line looked like this: $wgLogo = "{$wgScriptPath}/signature\ kis_lev_logo1.png";
[23:35:25] <kajo>	  Anything wrong with that?
[23:35:40] <codurr>	 03christian * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/113326> 10/trunk/extensions/VisualEditor/modules/ve/ce/ve.ce.Surface.js: preserve range after applying annotation
[23:35:55] <codurr>	 03jeroendedauw * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/113327> 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticResultFormats/ (9 files in 5 dirs): follow up r113323
[23:36:02] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) customizing WikiLove awards requires editing cryptic and protected JavaScript pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/32033  (10Ryan Kaldari)
[23:36:15] <codurr>	 03krinkle * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/113328> 10/trunk/tools/ToolserverI18N/scripts/ (toolserver_init tsIntUpdate):
[23:36:15] <codurr>	 [TsIntution] Remove toolserver specific stuff from here
[23:36:15] <codurr>	 * Moved to https://svn.toolserver.org/svnroot/p_intuition/
[23:36:56] <codurr>	 03jeroendedauw * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/113329> 10/tags/extensions/SemanticResultFormats/REL_1_7_1/: Tag for version 1.7.1.
[23:38:14] <Reedy>	 Where is the physical file?
[23:38:18] <Reedy>	 /var/www/whatever?
[23:41:58] <codurr>	 03jeroendedauw * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/113330> 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticResultFormats/ (RELEASE-NOTES SRF_Settings.php SemanticResultFormats.php): 1.8 alpha
[23:42:15] <kajo>	 Reedy, exactly.
[23:42:23] <kajo>	 whatever.png
[23:42:40] <Reedy>	 it's in the directory root?
[23:42:42] <kajo>	 so: $wgLogo = "{$wgScriptPath}/signature\ kis_lev_logo1.png";
[23:42:48] <Reedy>	 no
[23:42:52] <kajo>	 It works.
[23:42:59] <kajo>	 And it's copied directly from the wiki.
[23:43:02] <kajo>	 Why isn't it ok?
[23:43:14] <Reedy>	 You said the file was in the root
[23:43:18] <Reedy>	 And you're also mixing slashes
[23:43:25] <kajo>	 the slash is to cancel the space....
[23:43:38] <Reedy>	 oh
[23:43:39] <Reedy>	 %20
[23:43:54] <kajo>	 and I don't know what you mean by root, but it's in /var/www/image.png
[23:44:24] <kajo>	 tab auto-inserted the slash
[23:45:59] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Heading-field (section=new) uses same name/id as edit summary (action=edit) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/26312  +comment (10rkaldari)
[23:47:53] <kajo>	 So, when I put the address into facebook on someone's wall... For some websites a little blurb pops up auto-grabbed by facebook. How do I edit what that little blurb would be? (does this question make sense?
[23:48:47] <codurr>	 03kaldari * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/113331> 10/trunk/phase3/RELEASE-NOTES-1.19: adding note for new API functionality
[23:49:00] <codurr>	 03tparscal * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/113332> 10/trunk/extensions/VisualEditor/modules/ve/dm/ (ve.dm.DocumentSynchronizer.js ve.dm.DocumentSyncronizer.js): Typo in file name
[23:51:10] <codurr>	 03kaldari * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/113333> 10/trunk/phase3/includes/specials/SpecialWhatlinkshere.php: typo fix
[23:52:30] <codurr>	 03jeroendedauw * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/113334> 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticResultFormats/ (INSTALL RELEASE-NOTES): up docs
[23:52:33] <pokeswap|away>	 Fatal error: Call to a member function registerClass() on a non-object in /hermes/bosoraweb020/b239/d5.pokeswap/public_html/spyinc/w/wiki/extensions/AdminDashboard/AdminDashboard.setup.php on line 11
[23:52:42] <pokeswap|away>	 how do i fix?
[23:53:09] <pokeswap|away>	 Fatal error: Call to a member function registerClass() on a non-object in /hermes/bosoraweb020/b239/d5.pokeswap/public_html/spyinc/w/wiki/extensions/AdminDashboard/AdminDashboard.setup.php on line 11
[23:53:11] <pokeswap|away>	 how do i fix?
[23:53:57] <kajo>	 My pic is getting cut off in safari, though it shows up correctly in chrome and firefox on my linux machine. What could be causing that? https://skitch.com/taylorcc/8erai/bauhaus-dancing-kis-lev-wiki
[23:54:10] <kajo>	 website is http://174.129.239.112
[23:54:15] <kajo>	 referring to the logo, of course
[23:54:36] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) mw.loader.using shouldn't call callback more than once - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34696  +comment (10rkaldari)
[23:55:46] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) mw.loader.using shouldn't call callback more than once - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34696   +patch (10Ryan Kaldari)
[23:55:50] <codurr>	 03ezachte * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/113335> 10/trunk/wikistats/squids/SquidReportArchive.pl: 120+ invocations of new functions ShowCount[Bold] to make display of counts flexible (new functions will later generate javascript call rather than plain text, thus allowing the user to switch display mode)