[00:01:05] Nightrose: Hi! [00:01:20] sumanah: hey :) [00:01:23] Nightrose: is it ok to do a call to a mobile phone #, or a Google + hangout? [00:01:35] sumanah: google+ works [00:01:36] we just realized that Skype probably won't work for us right now for boring reasons [00:01:41] ok [00:02:05] Nightrose: guillom is inviting you [00:02:06] 03(NEW) File deletions via API are slow and do not delete the whole page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35047 normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (rainerrillke) [00:02:07] Fatal error: Call to a member function registerClass() on a non-object in /hermes/bosoraweb020/b239/d5.pokeswap/public_html/spyinc/w/wiki/extensions/AdminDashboard/AdminDashboard.setup.php on line 11 [00:02:08] how do i fix? [00:02:33] sumanah: ok - one minute [00:02:37] guillom: you may need to add guillom to your "circles" to "hangout" [00:02:43] * sumanah uses finger-quotes [00:09:05] 03jeroendedauw * 10/trunk/extensions/EducationProgram/ (2 files in 2 dirs): http://education.wmflabs.org/index.php/Thread:MW_1.18_talk:Community_portal/Changes_to_profiles_unlogged [00:09:08] sumanah: guillom: ok all set up here [00:09:32] Nightrose: I've added you on G+ but I can't seem to hang out with you [00:09:50] whut? [00:09:53] that's mean [00:09:55] let me try [00:10:25] TimStarling: hi, so, we need a file op log for the swift transition [00:11:06] Nightrose: nm, I've invited you [00:11:46] 03(mod) Manually fix blocks from when global oversight log removal problem started - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34995 summary (10Aaron Schulz) [00:11:52] ok [00:12:14] 03(FIXED) Cleanup duplicate CSS for mobile devices - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31050 +comment (10Jon) [00:12:15] 03(mod) Global lock seems to affect a different user from the its target - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35011 +comment (10Aaron Schulz) [00:12:29] by log do you mean this FileJournal class you showed me yesterday? [00:12:42] Nightrose: gah, G+ hangouts isn't working for me any more; sumanah's going to start one [00:12:48] ok [00:12:59] evil technology ;-) [00:13:27] and given things like bug 34993, it would be nice to have more than path/time [00:13:34] TimStarling: that would do, yes [00:14:01] * AaronSchulz sighs at bug 35011 [00:14:55] why is it necessary? [00:16:11] TimStarling: so we can copy files over to swift in the background but be able to run a script to resync files that changed since the copying began [00:16:36] 03jeroendedauw * 10/trunk/extensions/EducationProgram/resources/jquery.imageinput.js: http://education.wmflabs.org/index.php/Thread:MW_1.18_talk:Community_portal/Clarity_on_entering_a_filename_for_a_profile_page [00:18:07] this can be run a few time until it takes a short time to run (it would start from the last position), at which point we can make wikis read-only for files, run it again, and add swift to the multiwrite backend [00:18:22] (and remove the read-only) [00:20:55] fair enough [00:21:47] 14(DUP) Pinch zoom does not work in iOS5 due to meta tag - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31987 +comment (10Jon) [00:21:48] 03(mod) MobileFrontend shouldn't lock viewport - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31925 +comment (10Jon) [00:24:57] TimStarling: do you still have the link? [00:25:05] 03(mod) Minify served JS and CSS - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31690 +comment (10Jon) [00:25:09] the FileJournal link? yes [00:25:41] most of wikia's extensions use class f, is there a place on mediawiki where it tells how to get class F? [00:26:24] there's no code here that reads the log is there? [00:26:42] where? [00:26:58] TimStarling: nope, that will be a separate maintenance script [00:27:45] I don't really see why you need so much code [00:28:16] + if ( !$dbw ) { [00:28:16] + $status->fatal( 'filejournal-fail-dbconnect', $this->backend ); [00:28:19] I mean really [00:29:23] where in wikia does it mention the class F [00:29:27] !class f [00:29:27] See http://svn.wikimedia.org/doc/classf.html [00:29:53] highly doubt that will work [00:30:23] why do you need to patch so many places in FileOp? [00:30:31] so... did not word [00:30:33] !f [00:30:34] I don't know anything about "f". You might try: !! !adminsettings !centralauth !csv2wp !dumphtml !foreignfilerepos !fu !git !hosting !installmacosx !morbo !paste !rewriteproblems !smtp !sourceforge !svnprops !threads !tooquiet !webrequest !wikimedia [00:30:50] !class=f [00:30:50] I don't know anything about "class=f". [00:30:57] !f class [00:30:57] I don't know anything about "f". You might try: !! !adminsettings !centralauth !csv2wp !dumphtml !foreignfilerepos !fu !git !hosting !installmacosx !morbo !paste !rewriteproblems !smtp !sourceforge !svnprops !threads !tooquiet !webrequest !wikimedia [00:31:05] still need help [00:31:16] TimStarling: you'd rather throw that exception? [00:31:21] yes [00:31:52] hmm, it would be the only thing intentionally doing that via doOperations() [00:32:03] we have exception handlers so that you don't need to write code like this in every caller [00:32:14] tryed searching... still need help [00:32:23] why is it connecting to a different DB server anyway? [00:32:42] so it can commit [00:33:29] !help [00:33:29] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:`e1 [00:33:33] pokeswap: This is #mediawiki, not #wikia-tech, you're not going to get any help with Wikia's custom codebase here, please stop pestering the bots for info they naturally don't have [00:33:34] it seems odd to have doOperations throw dberrors. I'd rather have it like copy(),unlink() and such...just giving warnings and returning an error value. [00:33:53] no channel [00:33:53] I mean an actual different server, not a different connection, which I see is not what it's doing, so my apologies [00:34:07] i am asking if class F is on mkediawiki's code? [00:34:12] NO [00:34:17] 03(NEW) restore missing file versions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35048 minor; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (saibotrash) [00:34:30] 03(mod) restore missing file versions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35048 +shell (10Saibo) [00:34:32] thx bye [00:34:34] how often do you think connections to the master DB fail? [00:34:45] 03kaldari * 10/trunk/phase3/includes/api/ApiBase.php: better error message and comment [00:34:58] 03(mod) "upload a new version" replaces old version - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34993 +comment (10saibotrash) [00:35:07] TimStarling: does it matter? [00:35:37] I mean it's not "cosmic ray" low [00:35:46] 03(mod) "upload a new version" replaces old version - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34993 +comment (10saibotrash) [00:35:55] I'm not saying that it's wrong [00:36:05] I'm saying that you're wasting your time, and the time of the maintainers who will follow you [00:36:19] 03(mod) ISBN page - world map doesn't work on iPhone in Wikipedia Mobile - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/20030 +comment (10Jon) [00:36:49] we have lots of really important bugs that are actually affecting users [00:41:39] 03(mod) Incorrect SVG text rasterization - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34947 +comment (10brion) [00:42:25] 03(mod) SQL Injection into search form - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35043 +postgresql (10Chad H.) [00:42:55] * AaronSchulz finishes fixBug34995.php script [00:44:09] 03(mod) MobileFrontend should load sections dynamically as much as possible to avoid downloading never-viewed text and images - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31011 summary (10Jon) [00:44:48] RoanKattouw: can you sanity check that on /home? [00:45:11] AaronSchulz: Full path? [00:45:53] well, it's in php-1.19/maintenance/ [00:46:40] 03(mod) Keep home-random menu expanded after clicking random - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/30842 +comment (10Jon) [00:47:58] RoanKattouw: from dry-run output: "Fixed block for `TylerPerrySucks`." ;) [00:48:05] is that even offensive? [00:48:29] lol [00:48:58] * AaronSchulz observes how quite Roan's lols are [00:49:54] 03tstarling * 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES-1.20 includes/EditPage.php): [00:49:54] (bug 34929) Show the correct diff when a section edit is rejected by the spam [00:49:54] filter. Use EditPage::showDiff() so that the same kind of diff is shown as when [00:49:54] you click the "show changes" button. I considered changing the source text to be [00:49:55] the original section text, but if you do that, the line numbers are wrong and [00:49:56] section=new doesn't show you the headline which may have matched the spam [00:49:57] filter. [00:50:00] 03(mod) Incorrect SVG text rasterization - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34947 +comment (10Mark A. Hershberger) [00:50:01] 03(mod) rsvg on scaler does not support styling the root element - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31122 (10Mark A. Hershberger) [00:51:33] AaronSchulz: You're selecting all those rows at once, then iterating through them. But it looks like there's gonna be 50k-100k, so you'll want to batch that up [00:51:42] 03(FIXED) Wrong diff when prevented section edit - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34929 +comment (10Tim Starling) [00:52:02] RoanKattouw: I thought about that at first, but the select is quite fast [00:52:10] only 75 rows would be touched on enwiki [00:52:23] :O [00:52:32] 03tparscal * 10/trunk/extensions/VisualEditor/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Added some basic tests for resize and insert. Fixed some bugs in both of those code paths along the way. [00:52:33] Oh I thought there were more [00:52:45] 03(mod) Don't show hide options for anon edits on RC with disabled anon editing - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34789 +comment (10Chad H.) [00:53:03] Looks good [00:55:11] RoanKattouw: actually, I should kill the ipb_user condition since some have non-0 values but that are nonetheless wrong [00:55:18] (the second bug) [00:55:28] !wikia any people here from wikia? [00:55:28] http://wikia.com is a site that hosts free content community wikis. [00:56:12] AaronSchulz: In that case you would go through all blocks, that definitely needs batching [00:56:28] 03(mod) Results on Special:Search should display wiki time - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34727 +comment (10Chad H.) [00:57:36] New code comment: MarkAHershberger; According to https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=34961#c2 this causes the username to be ; [00:59:12] 03(mod) Edit summary for moves should not include username - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34961 +comment (10mah) [01:02:13] 03(mod) mw.loader.using shouldn't call callback more than once - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34696 (10Krinkle) [01:03:48] TimStarling: what would your patch do? Just change attemptBatch() and not the op subclasses? [01:06:13] yes [01:14:45] 03jeroendedauw * 10/trunk/extensions/EducationProgram/includes/ (DBTable.php EPRoleObject.php): properly implement hasCourse [01:29:12] 03(mod) mw.loader.using shouldn't call callback more than once - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34696 +need-review (10Sumana Harihareswara) [01:32:58] 03(NEW) A page can't move - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35049 normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (shizhao) [01:33:42] 14(DUP) Global lock seems to affect a different user from the its target - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35011 +comment (10Aaron Schulz) [01:33:45] 03(mod) Manually fix blocks from when global oversight log removal problem started - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34995 +comment (10Aaron Schulz) [01:34:13] 03(mod) A page can't move - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35049 (10shi zhao) [01:39:30] 03(mod) Wrong diff when prevented section edit - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34929 +comment (10ibaker) [01:40:47] Anyone here familiar with the IronClad USB drive? [01:44:16] 03(FIXED) Manually fix blocks from when global oversight log removal problem started - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34995 +comment (10Aaron Schulz) [01:50:51] 03jeroendedauw * 10/trunk/extensions/EducationProgram/ (5 files in 3 dirs): work on logging - added logging of student article adittion [02:00:54] 03(mod) wfprofilein Errors on upgrading to 1.19 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/32760 summary (10Mark A. Hershberger) [02:02:09] 03(mod) Upgrade to 1.19 on Postgres fails due to incomplete query when trying to defer foreign key for externallinks - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33689 summary (10Mark A. Hershberger) [02:03:05] 03(NEW) Menu shows duplicate entries some of the time - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35050 major; Wikipedia App: Generic; (tfinc) [02:03:14] 03jeroendedauw * 10/trunk/extensions/EducationProgram/ (3 files in 3 dirs): fixed issue with article removal [02:03:25] 03(mod) Menu shows duplicate entries some of the time - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35050 (10Tomasz Finc) [02:05:13] 03(mod) Check environment and display new results every time when ?page=Welcome is accessed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31533 (10Mark A. Hershberger) [02:19:55] hmmm, who broke code review ;) [02:20:36] New code comment: Bawolff; Note however, the Language class provides a truncate method which can localize the '...' message ( ; [02:20:45] or maybe its not broken, but just really weirdly layed out [02:20:54] * bawolff wonders if that's new or if that was always like that [02:21:01] what's wrong with it? [02:23:51] New code comment: Bawolff; One of the lines of the case statement: \ 84 + case ( isset( $wgRSSItemMaxLength ) ): \ ; [02:24:10] TimStarling: The save changes button is very far away from the text area [02:24:35] when you reply to a comment, you mean? [02:24:41] yes [02:24:48] that's always been the case [02:25:07] ok. I guess I never noticed before. I got confused for a moment and thought there was no save button [02:27:14] usually the comments are short, so it's not so obvious [02:32:21] https://github.com/lsblakk/bztools -- Models and scripts to access the Bugzilla REST API. might want to bookmark that, hexmode [02:35:15] sumanah: I have been scripting bz for a while, but I'll see if that has something else [02:35:21] ok [02:43:40] I am getting the following error on installing Extension:CentralNotic http://dpaste.org/mKBIY/ any help? [02:45:32] *CentralNotice [02:46:04] nischayn22: Well does the file /var/www/mediawiki-1.18.1/extensions/CentralNotice/CentralNotice.php exist, and does it have permissions such that apache can open it? [02:46:35] bawolff: yes it exists and I have given permission to all [02:47:51] hmm, well thats weird. Maybe double check for typos in either the file's actual name, or the require_once statement [02:48:13] bawolff: i had run this command chmod ugo+rwx file1 [02:48:40] well that should cover everyone... [02:49:34] you could try runing the command ls -la /var/www/mediawiki-1.18.1/extensions/CentralNotice/CentralNotice.php [02:49:53] copy and pasting the path mentioned in the error message, just to make sure it displays what you think it displays [02:50:10] but if the file is actually there, and apache has permission to read it, I have no idea what else could cause that error [02:50:47] 03kaldari * 10/trunk/extensions/PageTriage/SpecialPageTriage.php: basic list view based on recent changes, soon it will be based on something else [02:52:24] 03(mod) Create sql update for testswarm debian package (v0.2) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35027 (10Mark A. Hershberger) [02:52:52] 03(mod) SH Geshi's code boxes no longer look like pre's by default - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35029 (10Mark A. Hershberger) [02:52:56] bawolff: thanks, I will try that [02:53:33] New code comment: Bawolff; $ret = Sanitizer::removeHTMLtags( $text, null, array(), $extra, array( "iframe" ) ); \ W; [02:54:02] 03(mod) [REGRESSION] SH Geshi's code boxes should look like pre's by default - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35029 summary (10Mark A. Hershberger) [02:55:23] bawolff: solved the problem . I missed the -R in the chmod command unfortunately [02:55:29] 03(mod) Moving page triggers HTTP 500 on zhwiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35030 (10Mark A. Hershberger) [02:55:40] nischayn22: yeah, those types of things happen [02:56:01] 14(DUP) [REGRESSION] SH Geshi's code boxes should look like pre's by default - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35029 +comment (10Krinkle) [02:56:05] 03(mod) GeSHi-generated blocks should use 
 style for the container - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/19416  +comment (10Krinkle)
[03:05:25] 	 14(DUP) A page can't move - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35049  +comment (10shi zhao)
[03:05:25] 	 03(mod) Moving page triggers HTTP 500 on zhwiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35030  +comment (10shi zhao)
[03:20:01] 	 03krinkle *  10/trunk/phase3/includes/objectcache/ObjectCache.php: [ObjectCache.php] typo from r112985
[03:41:39] 	 03krinkle *  10/trunk/tools/ToolserverI18N/ (10 files in 3 dirs):
[03:41:39] 	 [ToolserverI18N] clean up
[03:41:39] 	 - protocol relative urls where possible
[03:41:40] 	 - whitespace clean up
[03:45:35] 	 03(NEW) [regression 1.19] If heading has a trailing space after == then its name is not preloaded into edit summary on section edit - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35051 normal; MediaWiki: Page editing; (bawolff+wn)
[03:54:36] 	 03(mod) Creating new layout for Gujarati Typewriter Keyboard - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35044  +comment (10nileshbandhiya)
[03:57:36] 	 TimStarling: I'm at http://pastebin.com/6RGadJCr so far
[03:58:09] 	 fileop subclasses are untouched
[04:00:49] * AaronSchulz  should seriously eat now
[04:05:37] 	 can php maintenance/update.php be ran in Command Prompt?
[04:20:47] 	 thetechexpert: yes
[04:21:05] 	 thanks
[04:29:02] 	 03(NEW) Wikimedia 404 error page should not auto-refresh/auto-redirect - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35052 normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (b)
[04:44:52] 	 How do you run php maintenance/update.php from command prompt? I can not use PuTTY as it does not work for me.
[04:57:40] 	 03(NEW) upload.wikimedia.org still using old 404 error page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35053 normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (b)
[04:58:19] 	 Because,   cd "H:\www\mediawiki\maintenance\update.php" or cd "H:www\mediawiki\maintenance\update.php" or cd "H:\www\mediawiki\maintenance" will not work
[05:06:35] 	 what error message does the last one give when it doesn't work?
[05:08:25] 	 thetechexpert: it doesn't give any error message, right? it just doesn't do anything?
[05:08:49] 	 TimStarling: ' "update.php" ' is not recognized as an internal or external command, operable program or batch file.
[05:09:01] 	 on the last one
[05:09:05] 	 on others:
[05:09:11] 	 nothing happens
[05:09:11] 	 there was no update.php in what you quoted
[05:10:01] 	 where is PHP installed?
[05:10:05] 	 is there a c:\php?
[05:10:21] 	 no it is installed:
[05:10:51] 	 H:\php5
[05:11:16] 	 so type: H:\php5\php H:\www\mediawiki\maintenance\update.php
[05:13:28] 	 hey, is it possible to get math working in mediawiki without root access?
[05:13:55] 	 on linux?
[05:14:12] 	 TimStarling I get this:
[05:15:06] 	 yes it is a linux server
[05:15:25] 	 but it is for my website that is hosted by 1and1
[05:15:32] 	 it's theoretically possible but it would be fairly challenging
[05:15:55] 	 ...haha yes that is what i am discovering
[05:16:37] 	 1and1 are cheap aren't they?
[05:16:39] 	 if my server had ocaml i think i would be able to compile texvc... but it doesn't
[05:16:50] 	 yea pretty cheap
[05:16:57] 	 I think if you pay a bit more, you can get a proper VPS that won't constantly piss you off every second
[05:17:25] 	 any suggestions
[05:17:32] 	 well, ocaml is probably the easiest part
[05:17:33] * Aaron|home  watches more Civil War documentary
[05:18:12] 	 the hard part would be all the other dependencies, like latex, dvipng
[05:18:55] 	 TimStarling: See PM
[05:19:18] 	 New code comment: Santhosh.thottingal; Could not understand this line: "If you are not yet using aggregate message groups, you should to no; 
[05:20:26] 	 grr... there has to be a better way to do math...
[05:20:39] 	 so annoying
[05:20:46] 	 MathJax ;)
[05:20:55] 	 And one or two other proposals
[05:21:10] 	 yes, mathjax would be good
[05:22:49] 	 is it part of the math extension?? and can i use it on its own
[05:24:53] 	 rpg32: http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2012-March/058713.html
[05:29:14] 	 very nice
[05:29:15] 	 thx
[05:45:25] 	 03(mod) position of msg autocomment-prefix in autocomment has changed with 1.19 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35034  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[05:47:20] 	 03(mod) Invalid urls on www.mediawiki.org redirect to inexistant www.mediawiki.org/w/404.php - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35037  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[05:47:38] 	 03(mod) Make MathJax menus translatable [upstream] - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35038  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[05:48:23] 	 03(mod) No-longer-existing userrights still present on the userrights personal dossier - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35039  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[05:50:33] 	 03(mod) SQL Injection into search form - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35043  +comment (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[05:51:28] 	 03(mod) Creating new layout for Gujarati Typewriter Keyboard - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35044  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[05:54:29] 	 03(mod) position of msg autocomment-prefix in autocomment has changed with 1.19 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35034  (10Amir E. Aharoni)
[05:55:47] 	 03(mod) Edit summary for moves should not include username - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34961  +comment (10niklas.laxstrom)
[05:55:58] 	 03(mod) Use history.replaceState to rewrite redirect urls - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35045  normal->15enhancement (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[05:58:19] 	 03(mod) [regression] jquery.ui buttons in Monobook exchanged - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35046  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[06:05:29] 	 03(mod) Edit summary for moves should not include username - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34961  +comment (10Siebrand)
[06:11:37] 	 03(NEW) Weird missing file description page on the English Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35054 normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (b)
[06:15:05] 	 03(NEW) backtrace when getting a PDF - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35055 normal; MediaWiki extensions: Collection; (mah)
[06:22:30] 	 03(FIXED) $wgOut->addWikiText() doesn't run language converter - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34832  +comment (10Tim Starling)
[06:22:41] 	 03(mod) "oversighter", "oversight", "unoversight", "hide" and "unhide" messages are very unclear - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35026  +comment (10amir.aharoni)
[06:35:24] 	 03(mod) Weird missing file description page on the English Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35054  +comment (10Aaron Schulz)
[06:40:38] 	 i'm a little confuse about something in the skinning process, when extending the BaseTempalte class i see that the first statement is often $this->html('headelement')... which would pass the string headelement to the $data array... so where does that actually get converted into the header content?
[06:41:29] 	 03(mod) UploadFromStash is broken in 1.18.1 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35032  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[06:42:29] 	 is it normal for php on a 64bit os to use 2x the amount of ram?
[06:42:33] 	 03(mod) position of msg autocomment-prefix in autocomment has changed with 1.19 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35034  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[06:43:06] 	 03(mod) File deletions via API are slow and do not delete the whole page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35047  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[06:48:39] 	 JRWR: 2x is the worst case
[06:48:45] 	 it should use a bit less than 2x
[06:51:18] 	 New code comment: Wikinaut; ad i) iframe: I saw in a E:RSS rendered feed http://rss.slashdot.org/Slashdot/slashdot one or severa; 
[06:51:32] 	 morning
[06:52:21] 	 03tstarling *  10/trunk/tools/mwmultiversion/multiversion/MWMultiVersion.php: Fix for bug 34663 -- use 500 status code for errors. Also use an appropriate exit status for command line scripts.
[06:53:41] 	 03(FIXED) CDB errors show up instead of any content - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34663  +comment (10Tim Starling)
[06:56:03] 	 New code comment: Nikerabbit; Please update the message documentation for the changed messages. Thanks.; 
[06:57:10] 	 03(mod) [regression 1.19] If heading has a trailing space after == then its name is not preloaded into edit summary on section edit - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35051  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[07:01:33] 	 New code comment: Wikinaut; Indeed, you are right, because $wgRSSItemMaxLength is always set in RSS.php it should be existent, b; 
[07:03:09] 	 03(mod) File deletions via API are slow and do not delete the whole page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35047  +comment (10Krinkle)
[07:03:47] 	 03(mod) Wikimedia 404 error page should not auto-refresh/auto-redirect - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35052  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[07:03:55] 	 03(mod) File deletions via API are slow and do not delete the whole page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35047  +comment (10krinklemail)
[07:04:16] 	 03(mod) [Regression] File deletions via API are slow and do not delete the whole page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35047  normal->04CRIT; summary (10Krinkle)
[07:04:37] 	 03(mod) [Regression] File deletions (via API?) leave stuff behind - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35047  summary (10Krinkle)
[07:04:39] 	 03(mod) ipad apps - mobile article doesn't fit if webview width < 768 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31214  +comment (10blanc.greg)
[07:05:15] 	 03(mod) upload.wikimedia.org still using old 404 error page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35053  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[07:08:27] 	 03(mod) Weird missing file description page on the English Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35054  +comment (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[07:09:09] 	 03(mod) backtrace when getting a PDF - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35055  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[07:10:47] 	 03(mod) [Regression] File deletions (via API?) leave stuff behind - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35047  +comment (10krinklemail)
[07:11:59] 	 03(mod) Weird missing file description page on the English Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35054  +comment (10b)
[07:14:43] 	 nm... looks like it is done in OutputPage
[07:41:46] 	 03(mod) Don't show hide options for anon edits on RC with disabled anon editing - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34789  +comment (10subfader)
[07:44:19] 	 lo
[07:51:33] 	 New code comment: Wikinaut; RE: + $renderedFeed = $this->sandboxParse( $renderedFeed ); \ I double-checked it. result: the sandbo; 
[08:08:14] 	 03(NEW) Wikipedia App - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35056 major; Wikipedia App: Automated Builds; (lordxeen46)
[08:20:28] 	 03(mod) jquery.client.js should recognize rekonq correctly - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34924  +comment (10listenleser)
[08:21:54] * Aaron|home  wonders what TimStarling is up to
[08:27:16] 	 03(NEW) [Regresion] Preview button only works on second click - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35057 major; MediaWiki extensions: WikiLove; (krinklemail)
[08:27:27] 	 03(mod) [Regresion] Preview button only works on second click - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35057  (10Krinkle)
[08:28:39] 	 03(mod) Process: Call to undefined method SMWDIWikiPage::getTypeID() - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35003  +comment (10mario.schubert)
[08:34:39] 	 03santhosh *  10/branches/jsgrammar/resources/mediawiki.language/ (14 files in 2 dirs):
[08:34:40] 	 * Minor whitespace fix in mediawiki.language.js
[08:34:40] 	 * Use mw.language.getData in all language js files instead of directling accessing from mw.language.data based on the fixes in r112991
[08:35:40] 	 03(mod) Wikipedia App - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35056  +comment (10MZMcBride)
[08:37:33] 	 New code comment: Nikerabbit; The last two links are not https?; 
[08:41:57] 	 03(mod) Weird missing file description page on the English Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35054  +comment (10Ilmari Karonen)
[08:44:07] 	 03(mod) File stuck in half-deleted state on English Wikipedia, cannot be deleted - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35054  summary (10Ilmari Karonen)
[08:44:48] 	 New code comment: Peachey88; They don't appear to support SSL on their site.; 
[08:47:03] 	 New code comment: Nikerabbit; Most editors don't pick up protocol-less links from plain text, and if they do they default to http ; 
[08:49:45] 	 03santhosh *  10/branches/jsgrammar/tests/qunit/ (2 files in 2 dirs):
[08:49:45] 	 Add the test to qunit/index.html
[08:49:45] 	 White space fixes,
[08:49:46] 	 just use local grammartest instead of mw.language.grammartest.
[08:49:47] 	 Ping r111724
[08:50:38] 	 Can I restrict setting a specific categori to sysops?
[08:56:18] 	 New code comment: Santhosh.thottingal; Yes, That is required for all other language tests too. We will require loading each lang.js one aft; 
[09:00:18] 	 New code comment: Krinkle; Good question :); 
[09:00:50] 	 03gwicke *  10/trunk/extensions/VisualEditor/modules/parser/ (ext.core.LinkHandler.js mediawiki.tokenizer.peg.js): A bit more documentation and naming cleanup in the tokenizer wrapper.
[09:01:18] 	 New code comment: Krinkle; Maybe {{REVISIONUSER}} knowns.; 
[09:06:14] 	 benjick: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Restrict_access_by_category_and_group
[09:08:29] 	 !e Lockdown | benjick
[09:08:29] 	 benjick: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Lockdown
[09:08:45] 	 Thank you
[09:09:03] 	 mutante: Not sure if that right, I still want users to be able to read articles with those categories
[09:10:38] 	 benjick: i see, well maybe the other one above then. i didnt try myself
[09:11:14] 	 One question, is bureaucrat higher then sysop?
[09:11:20] 	 yes
[09:11:24] 	 i.e. can I give sysop to someone and they can't demote me?
[09:11:26] 	 Okey
[09:13:22] 	 Reedy: Did you remove the {{REVISIONUSER}} failure from CR?
[09:13:31] 	 now it's even more failure, empty string :(
[09:13:43] 	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111724#c31964
[09:13:49] 	 failed joke :P
[09:18:19] 	 any info on berlin hackathon?
[09:19:48] 	 this year's
[09:29:35] 	 ![[ Berlin_Hackathon_2012
[09:29:35] 	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Berlin_Hackathon_2012
[09:29:42] 	 OrenOf: 
[09:29:47] 	 what kind of info?
[09:30:52] 	 03(mod) CentralAuth global session doesn't include some *.wikimedia.org public wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/14407  +comment (10Al-Scandar Solstag)
[09:31:25] 	 03(mod) Trailing whitespace not visible in code diffs - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34483  +comment (10Krinkle)
[09:31:37] 	 03(mod) Trailing whitespace not visible in code diffs - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34483  +comment (10krinklemail)
[09:32:48] 	 hashar: you comeing to Berlin?
[09:32:59] 	 hope so
[09:33:06] 	 haven't talked about it with Rob
[09:33:29] 	 I might even come with my little family 8-]]
[09:33:36] 	 Any recommended way to push info to mediawiki from an application?
[09:33:44] 	 uiii ... little french persons :D
[09:34:07] 	 benjick: use the API ? 
[09:34:09] 	 !api
[09:34:10] 	 The MediaWiki API provides direct, high-level access to the data contained in the MediaWiki databases. Client programs should be able to use the API to login, get data, and post changes. Find out more at . For client libraries in various languages, see .
[09:34:25] 	 hashar: Oh, thanks
[09:34:51] 	 benjick: and you can install the ApiSandBox extension to play with it.  As an example see: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:ApiSandbox
[09:35:31] 	 freakolowsky: have you sorted out your aaaa bbbb cccc git madness ?
[09:36:05] 	 yeah ... sort of ... created local directory structure to be same as the one in the repo
[09:36:16] 	 ... for the record git sux
[09:36:39] 	 yeah
[09:36:53] 	 it has a huge design issue which sit between the chair and the keyboard :-]]]
[09:37:02] 	 03(mod) Implement a {{#trim}}, {{#ltrim}}, {{#trim}} in StringFunctions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/18157  summary (10Krinkle)
[09:37:05] 	 i mean cmon ... not only you can't co or push a single subdirectory ... it won't allow you to use symlinks locally
[09:37:24] 	 you surely can use symlinks!
[09:37:31] 	 NO YOU CANT
[09:37:36] 	 that's the point
[09:37:41] * hashar  tries
[09:38:01] 	 wait for it .... wait for it ...
[09:38:24] 	 why my wiki installation doesn't show ip-addresses?
[09:40:41] 	 freakolowsky: proof: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/File:Git_symlinking.png
[09:42:57] 	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/File:Git_symlinking_clone.png
[09:43:09] 	 that second screenshot show a git clone of above repo :-)
[09:43:52] 	 (WFM) git does not support symlinks  (Hashar)
[09:44:14] 	 as for co / pushing a single subdirectory, I am puzzled
[09:44:30] 	 given two directories named dir1 and dir2 both having changes
[09:44:36] 	 03(NEW) [Regression] Don't prepend 2 empty lines before the Welcome template - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35058 normal; MediaWiki extensions: NewUserMessage; (krinklemail)
[09:44:38] 	 if you want to push only changes form dir2 :
[09:44:41] 	 git add dir2
[09:44:42] 	 g
[09:44:45] 	 git commit
[09:44:47] 	 git push
[09:44:56] 	 ping freakolowsky
[09:45:20] 	 hashar: http://pastebin.com/q6GXwZdv
[09:46:16] 	 i know you can only push one dir ... but you have to have the relative directory structure set up the same way it's in the repo
[09:46:32] 	 ohhh
[09:46:44] 	 I guess you have to add the full path :/    git add test/test.file
[09:46:51] 	 hi hashar
[09:47:11] 	 03krinkle *  10/trunk/extensions/NewUserMessage/NewUserMessage.class.php: (log message trimmed)
[09:47:11] 	 [NewUserMessage] Don't prepend 2 empty lines before the Welcome template
[09:47:11] 	 * First line, meant to offset from potentially pre-existent content. Aside from
[09:47:11] 	 the fact that the caller of this function only runs if !$talk->exists(), it
[09:47:12] 	 could potentially exist later in a race condition (I've never seen this happen,
[09:47:13] 	 but the code is already checking for that case where it prepends getRawText()),
[09:47:14] 	 moved the first newline to there.
[09:47:17] 	 Nikerabbit: hello :)
[09:47:21] 	 03(FIXED) [Regression] Don't prepend 2 empty lines before the Welcome template - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35058  +comment (10Krinkle)
[09:47:41] 	 freakolowsky: there must be a way to have it to follow symbolic link
[09:48:07] 	 i know this isn't the semantic-wiki channel but nobody is responding over there... so i figured i would try to get some help here
[09:48:18] 	 hi, i am having a problem with the semantic bundle extensions. When I try to include the semantic forms inputs in the setup file it shows up in the Special:Version page but when I try to load Special:SpecialPages the page won't load. Also it does not seem to add any extra inputs to my forms. When I don't include this extension everything is fine. I have semantic-forms installed and working 
[09:48:18] 	 and semantic mediawiki... any ideas?
[09:48:38] 	 Krinkle: like what's going on, who will be coming there, is there an agenda/presentations?
[09:48:55] * Nikerabbit  hates subway ticket machines
[09:48:55] 	 OrenOf: All I know is on that wiki page
[09:48:57] 	 rpg32: sounds like a user right issue
[09:49:06] 	 hashar: nope ... they delibratly disabled that ... didn't bother going into the mailing list to find out why
[09:49:09] 	 rpg32: maybe having semantic forms requires a special user right?
[09:49:14] 	 you never know if they just refuse to accept your card
[09:49:33] 	 well i am logged in a sysop
[09:49:37] 	 i think it has got something to do with preventing  elndles link loops
[09:50:36] 	 the forms extension works without the forms input extension installed
[09:52:54] 	 Nikerabbit: you should try our train ones, The touchscreens are that decalibrated on most that you are close to punching to get them to pick it up
[09:53:56] 	 what's the best way to fight against spam?
[09:54:06] 	 i've been deleting tens of pages just noew.
[09:55:10] 	 Nuke and Confirm Edit might be helpful?
[09:55:33] 	 what's nuke? are those extensions?
[09:56:14] 	 yea
[09:56:19] 	 they are both extensions
[09:56:35] 	 http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ConfirmEdit
[09:56:44] 	 Tuju: i like "ConfirmEdit" (extension which lets you use one of several captchas), and then using the "asirra" captcha with it (thats the "tell cat from dog pictures" one)
[09:56:47] 	 http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Nuke
[09:57:22] 	 aaaah, that Nuke really sounds like a dream :)
[09:58:29] 	 i believe it comes preinstalled...
[09:58:44] 	 check your special:version page
[09:59:27] 	 hmm ... is there a SWM developer in tha house?
[09:59:28] 	 !spam | Tuju
[09:59:28] 	 Tuju: For information about combating and handling spam in MediaWiki, see  and .
[09:59:45] 	 rpg32: i've three lines in 'installed software', mediawiki,php and pgsql
[10:00:17] 	 p858snake|l:  i was actually reading those but wanted to ask your opinion as there appears to be so many of them
[10:00:48] 	 no installed extensions?
[10:00:56] 	 what version mediawiki?
[10:01:19] 	 116
[10:01:26] 	 i got it from centos6 rpm.
[10:01:54] 	 how the extensions are organized into svn, is there a branch for each mw version that i could follow?
[10:02:31] 	 i don't understand what you are asking
[10:02:57] 	 03(mod) jquery.makeCollapsible() very slow if many collapsible, initially collapsed elements - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34876  +comment (10lupo.bugzilla)
[10:03:24] 	 03gwicke *  10/trunk/extensions/VisualEditor/modules/parser/ (ext.core.LinkHandler.js parse.js): Improvements for image option handling.
[10:03:30] 	 rpg32: i mean that if i check out the svn workdir, and a new mw version is released and probably its trunk and extensions get updated, i don't want to break my mw-116 installation.
[10:04:07] 	 by following trunk when my mw version does not change.
[10:05:03] 	 New code comment: Krinkle; The important urls fixed in this commit aren't plain text. They are \ * images from upload.wikimedia.o; 
[10:05:23] 	 haha... still don't follow... are you asking about updating your wiki? or installing the extensions?
[10:05:53] 	 you can just install the extensions...
[10:06:52] 	 rpg32: no, i want to stick on that mw116
[10:07:28] 	 but if i check out those svn workdirs for extensions from SVN TRUNK, they change if mediawiki API changes during its development.
[10:07:42] 	 extensions and main mw need to be compatible, right?
[10:08:09] 	 03(mod) CentralAuth global session doesn't include some *.wikimedia.org public wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/14407  +comment (10everton137)
[10:09:27] 	 depends on the extension i suppose, most of them are backwards compatible but sometimes there are comments that are specific for each version
[10:09:55] 	 it should explain it to you in the installation instructions
[10:10:01] 	 for me it's impossible to follow 'most of them' selectively. i need some bulletproof rule of thumb. :)
[10:10:30] 	 ouh, i wish mw would have moved to git already.
[10:10:33] 	 New code comment: Krinkle; 
 \ - var grammarForms = mw.language.data[ 'hu' ].get( 'grammarForms' ); \ + var grammarForms =mw.la; 
[10:11:19] 	 i don't think that there should be any problems as long as the extension is stable...
[10:11:36] 	 well why not to be sure then.
[10:11:41] 	 some are marked experimental or beta
[10:12:10] 	 but nuke and confirmedit i believe are quite stable
[10:12:14] 	 http://svn.wikimedia.org/svnroot/mediawiki/branches/REL1_16/extensions/ that might work
[10:13:32] 	 yea, i just looked... it tells you everything you need to know on the respective extension page
[10:13:42] 	 rpg32: now i got /srv/www/mw-extensions/116/Nuke.svn  dir that i will symlink under extensions.
[10:13:47] 	 nuke is stable for MW 1.11+
[10:14:15] 	 and confirmedit is stable for 1.16,1.17 (v1.1.1+)
[10:14:25] 	 yep, nuke is. but there are 679 other extensions.
[10:14:34] 	 well, -1 of course.
[10:14:42] 	 ?
[10:14:58] 	 how many extensions do you require?!
[10:15:03] 	 there are 679 extensions. i don't want to check them all. 
[10:15:29] 	 manually from wiki what is their compatibility policy...
[10:16:34] 	 ?
[10:16:50] 	 no idea... i am just here trying to get some help just like you :-)
[10:17:44] 	 rpg32: it's like installing Linux distro, i don't want to read README and INSTALL files of each 15k software package that fedora carries.
[10:18:49] 	 03santhosh *  10/branches/jsgrammar/resources/mediawiki.language/languages/bs.js: Remove duplicated line added in r113349 by mistake.
[10:20:46] 	 03santhosh *  10/branches/jsgrammar/resources/mediawiki.language/languages/ (hu.js ru.js): Whitespace fixes. Ping r113349
[10:23:16] 	 03(mod) Make SVN Documentation be indexed by Google - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/28469  +comment (10hashar)
[10:25:22] 	 ERROR: column "upload" does not exist
[10:27:14] 	 Tuju: run php maintenance/update.php after you have added an extension to the LocalSettings.php
[10:27:32] 	 saper: ah, that might help...
[10:30:47] 	 saper: it whines about 'A copy of ....LocalSettings.php must be...'
[10:31:00] 	 but that *is* since i execute it exactly like you said.
[10:32:23] 	 03(mod) No-longer-existing userrights still present on the userrights personal dossier - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35039  (10Siebrand)
[10:33:58] 	 03raymond *  10/trunk/extensions/SideBarMenu/ (SideBarMenu.i18n.php SideBarMenu.php):
[10:33:58] 	 r113303: Consistency tweaks in preparation for adding extension to translatewiki.net
[10:33:58] 	 * Fix description message key
[10:33:58] 	 * First 'en', 2nd 'qqq', than the translations
[10:34:18] 	 saper: how do you run it?
[10:35:36] 	 03raymond *  10/trunk/translatewiki/MediaWiki/mediawiki-defines.txt: r113303: Register extension for translatewiki.net.
[10:37:59] 	 Tuju: frome the commandline "php update.php" if you are in the "maintenance" directory
[10:38:01] 	 03zaran *  10/trunk/extensions/ProofreadPage/ProofreadPage_body.php: Bug 34689
[10:38:48] 	 saper: same error all the time, i've already tried quite many ways
[10:38:55] 	 A copy of your installation's LocalSettings.php
[10:38:56] 	 must exist and be readable in the source directory.
[10:39:16] 	 do you have LocalSettings.php at all?
[10:39:54] 	 sure i do.
[10:40:22] 	 where?
[10:40:28] 	 http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Update.php " change to the maintenance directory and execute the update script:"
[10:40:41] 	 in main source dir, one above 'maintenance'.
[10:42:36] 	 03(mod) Add step property to the pages tag - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34689  +comment (10zaran.krleza)
[10:43:13] 	 saper: got it.
[10:43:52] 	 03(FIXED) Add step property to the pages tag - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34689  (10Zaran)
[10:43:59] 	 saper: i'm running a symlinked tree of that source dir. if i run it where apache sees those sources, it wont work. if i symlink that LocalSettings.php into real source dir, it works.
[10:44:01] 	 sight.
[10:44:03] 	 sigh.
[10:44:17] 	 you have some real trouble boy
[10:44:55] 	 is your wiki working at all?
[10:45:04] 	 saper: when i install mediawiki with operating system RPM and instead of fucking those RPM files, I symlink them?
[10:45:12] 	 of course it is.
[10:45:31] 	 I know where the real trouble is but i rather keep it myself this time.
[10:46:23] 	 you don't use RPMs for mediawiki
[10:46:36] 	 eh, why not?
[10:47:04] 	 saper: "you don't use RPMS for glibc!!1"
[10:47:04] 	 because those distros have their own ideas where to put config files and what-not
[10:47:28] 	 maybe they set MW_INSTALL_PATH in the environment for you somewhere and you don't have it
[10:47:45] 	 I've noticed that. (i'm fedora packager). i just have an idea which idea is the right one.
[10:47:50] 	 or maybe not.
[10:49:02] 	 i actually have had this discussion at work when one engineer insisted (regardless that our customer wanted RPMs) to distribute our crap in tar.gz. 
[10:49:47] 	 funny thing was, he wanted to use highly productized, RPM based distribution to develop that crap anyway, instead of downloading 500 tar.gz himself.
[10:50:44] 	 and expected that everyone else read his README and INSTALL, something that he was not ready to do himself.
[10:52:00] 	 I understand the reasons for using package management; but if you run into this kind of trouble, I don't know what to tell you. I did use MediaWiki from the OS package distribution successfully (ubuntu and from FreeBSD ports) 
[10:52:07] 	 03(NEW) Dialog has no style applied and therefore is transparent (jQuery.UI) for RTL languages and monobook - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35059 normal; MediaWiki: Javascript; (rainerrillke)
[10:53:00] 	 saper: you could tell me that "IT world revolves mediawiki, others read our docs and install manually, we don't." 
[10:53:23] 	 LAMP applications usually don't need compilation and have their own configuration schemes, mostly over the HTTP protocol.
[10:53:48] 	 Tuju: is this your first LAMP application you are setting up?
[10:54:06] 	 saper: it's not about compilation, it's about having sane defaults and doing *mass installations* with ease and keeping up with security updates *with ease*.
[10:54:25] 	 saper: nope, but i sure wish it would be my last. you might guess why.
[10:54:27] 	 ha
[10:54:50] 	 are we still solving your issue here or did we move to trolling?
[10:55:05] 	 check your vendor's php.ini first
[10:55:14] 	 what might be wrong there? 
[10:55:16] 	 and how to set MW_INSTALL_PATH
[10:55:29] 	 03(mod) Dialog has no style applied and therefore is transparent (jQuery.UI) for RTL languages and monobook - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35059  +comment (10rainerrillke)
[10:55:35] 	 strange or missing include_path as required be your distribution?
[10:55:41] 	 s,be,by,
[10:55:45] 	 i noticed that regardless how many times i run that update.php, it still complains the same lack of tables etc.
[10:56:16] 	 some distributions keep separate php.ini for command line and separate for apache module
[10:56:39] 	 ah so it does run?
[10:57:01] 	 saper: now it does when i symlinked the LocalSettings.php into /usr/share/mediawiki116/
[10:57:07] 	 but it wont do those changes.
[10:57:07] 	 03(mod) [Regression] File deletions (via API?) leave stuff behind - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35047  +comment (10rainerrillke)
[10:57:38] 	 maybe to should be moved there, not symlinked
[10:57:46] 	 and mediawiki needs to know to look there 
[10:58:02] 	 might be.
[10:58:05] 	 check the apache (or whatever webserver) config files for hints
[10:58:23] 	 i just would like to have the src tree shared with different sites.
[10:58:25] 	 they might have included some php directives for you to make it work 
[10:58:38] 	 I have it too, by setting $IP appropriately
[10:59:09] 	 some distros have some scripts to configure a web application "instance", maybe you should check for that
[10:59:20] 	 04(REOPENED) Problems installing Version r37495 on MW 1.13.0 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35008  +comment (10Sam Sexton)
[10:59:42] 	 now i took a real copy of it and ran it again, no change.
[10:59:51] 	 if I had some knowledge about RPMs I would rpm2cpio it and see what it really is doing
[11:00:14] 	 sorry, check your php logs and ask your RPM maintainer
[11:00:43] 	 i haven't touched that rpm installation for months.
[11:00:54] 	 just manually dropped those extensions in their place.
[11:02:01] 	 saper: you can see what rpm 'does' with rpm --showrc
[11:02:05] 	 mmm..nope, wait
[11:03:01] 	 mmm..nope, wait. rpm -q --scripts mediawiki116
[11:03:40] 	 in centos6 case, it doesn't do anything. just drops files into dirs.
[11:05:08] 	 does $IP stand for InstallationPath ?
[11:08:42] 	 Tuju: I don't have anything using RPM, so I can't check what you are saying
[11:09:01] 	 saper: no need to check. :)
[11:09:04] 	 just trust me.
[11:09:45] 	 03(mod) No-longer-existing userrights still present on the userrights personal dossier - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35039  +comment (10Krinkle)
[11:10:30] 	 Tuju: I don't trust you since something does not work for ouy
[11:10:42] 	 I put all my wikis in a "w" directory that has this:
[11:10:47] 	 $ echo `find w/* -type d -prune` 
[11:10:48] 	 w/bin w/cache w/docs w/extensions w/images w/includes w/languages w/maintenance w/mw-config w/resources w/serialized w/skins w/tests
[11:11:33] 	 saper: i actually have something similar with symlinks
[11:11:40] 	 echo `find w -name LocalSettings.php -prune`  
[11:11:40] 	 w/LocalSettings.php
[11:12:21] 	 mediawiki uses "../" to get to your LocalSettings.php, so make sure it works well with your symlinks
[11:15:04] 	 for sharing code for many wikis I did use https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Wiki_family#Scenario_3:_Drupal-style_sites once, worked well
[11:15:14] 	 no need for symlinks at all
[11:17:55] 	 03(mod) Using @font-face should work from a file module stylesheet with custom 'media' attribute - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34459  summary (10Krinkle)
[11:19:22] 	 03(NEW) [[Special:MyPage]] should not discard URL parameters - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35060 normal; MediaWiki: Special pages; (mybugs.mail)
[11:19:47] 	 saper: i cannot write into /usr, that's no no.
[11:20:07] 	 hence i need symlinks.
[11:22:58] 	 saper: how that update.php would know that Nuke extension needs db column 'upload' ? There is nothing about such change in Nuke sources.
[11:23:48] 	 only function getNewPages starts consuming it straight away.
[11:25:31] 	 Tuju: which table?
[11:25:57] 	 i think it's 'recentchanges'
[11:26:28] 	 03(NEW) Unable to use debug mode when previewing a user script - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35061 normal; MediaWiki: Resource Loader; (mybugs.mail)
[11:26:42] 	 i'd assume that each extension has their require db layout changes defined somewhere and those get executed with update.php
[11:26:55] 	 those start with rc_
[11:27:02] 	 [[Manual:Recentchanges_table]]
[11:27:33] 	 03(mod) jquery.makeCollapsible() very slow if many collapsible, initially collapsed elements - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34876  +comment (10Lupo)
[11:28:09] 	 saper: well, now when you say it, backtrace has following snipplet: " AND ((rc_new = 1) OR (rc_log_type = "upload" AND rc_log_action = "upload")) GROUP BY rc_namespace, rc_title ORDER BY rc_timestamp DESC"
[11:28:13] 	 [[Extension:Nuke]] needs no database schema changes, by the way
[11:28:16] 	 03(mod) jquery.makeCollapsible() very slow if many collapsible, initially collapsed elements - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34876  (10Lupo)
[11:28:24] 	 saper: but the actual error is: "Error: 1 ERROR: column "upload" does not exist"
[11:28:33] 	 Tuju: it's not a valid SQL since it should be 'upload'
[11:28:39] 	 not "upload"
[11:28:55] 	 you mean quotation chars.
[11:29:03] 	 ' instead of "
[11:29:10] 	 yep
[11:29:43] 	 this is the line in sources:     '(rc_new = 1) OR (rc_log_type = "upload" AND rc_log_action = "upload")'
[11:30:03] 	 afaik 'upload' instead of "upload"
[11:30:18] 	 but that has worked for everyone else, right?
[11:30:32] 	 but I hate both SQL and DBs in general ^^
[11:31:13] 	 http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/extensions/Nuke/Nuke_body.php?r1=65214&r2=66693
[11:31:50] 	 in SQL it is '
[11:31:59] 	 oh saper's link shows it clearly
[11:32:28] 	 maybe MySQL at the time (or still) accepts "
[11:33:23] 	 yep, that worked. but there are also other errors now.
[11:33:30] 	 03(NEW) Nothing translate to Bahasa Indonesia on wiki-id at Special:Log - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35062 normal; MediaWiki: Recent changes; (me_iwan)
[11:33:44] 	 saper: i took branch 116, so those are not committed there then.
[11:33:48] 	 select * from recentchanges where rc_user_text="Saper";
[11:33:52] 	 it still works in MySQL
[11:33:55] 	 ERROR: column "recentchanges.rc_timestamp" must appear in the GROUP BY clause or be used in an aggregate function
[11:33:59] 	 Tuju: are you using MySQL?
[11:34:15] 	 nope, I can afford a real database, postgresql.
[11:34:28] 	 so you should probably not be using 1.16
[11:34:33] 	 which mediawiki's version re you running?
[11:34:35] 	 oh well
[11:34:45] 	 and some obscure extensions
[11:34:48] 	 it might be an old version
[11:35:05] 	 saper: I think upload column has been renamed not so far
[11:35:07] 	 and I just was told not to use RPM that would have done this depdency checking automatically. 
[11:35:07] 	 try trunk
[11:35:27] 	 Vito: there is no upload column, it's 'upload' literal string it's looking for
[11:35:32] 	 I wont. I rather ditch this whole crap alltogether.
[11:35:42] 	 03ialex *  10/trunk/tools/planet/ (en/config.ini fr/config.ini): Added to blogs on en planet and updated one in fr per requests on meta
[11:35:44] 	 oh I see
[11:35:46] 	 PostgreSQL, rightly so, treats "upload" as 'upload'
[11:35:59] 	 Tuju: you are welcome, I hate MediaWiki too :)
[11:36:14] 	 saper: heh, we finally got common ground - after all :)
[11:36:16] 	 er, "upload" as a column name
[11:36:32] 	 ~98% of people over there hate it
[11:36:57] 	 proabably from maintenance POV, for users it's the wiki.
[11:36:57] 	 we are the 99% 
[11:37:16] 	 as a user I hate it too
[11:37:26] 	 saper: how come?
[11:37:56] 	 oh centralauth extension is a bug source
[11:38:03] 	 New code comment: Peachey88; I thought ^demon had already moved planets over to Git?; 
[11:38:06] 	 well, i have to admit that generally i don't like wiki's idea to introduce yet another markup syntax.
[11:38:08] 	 a river of bugs flows from the centralauth
[11:38:11] 	 Vito: whch bug?
[11:38:23] 	 Vito: heh heh
[11:38:35] 	 saper: #35011 e.g. 
[11:38:37] 	 Vito: i own a domain bugstream.org :)
[11:38:55] 	 lemme catch bugriver :p
[11:39:11] 	 are you flyfishing on that river?
[11:39:31] 	 there are so many fishs that they use to jump over the boat
[11:39:34] 	 with your self made bugs during winter period...
[11:39:49] 	 Vito: you must mean the Asian carp in river mississippi
[11:40:11] 	 it's uniqually mutated to jump out of water.
[11:40:56] 	 03(mod) Nothing translate to Bahasa Indonesia on wiki-id at Special:Log - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35062  (10Iwan Novirion)
[11:41:33] 	 but generally speaking, how those extension changes get into update.php+
[11:41:35] 	 but generally speaking, how those extension changes get into update.php?
[11:41:47] 	 is there a function or class or whatever that gets triggered?
[11:42:27] 	 Vito: I've seen an interesting centralauth bug too
[11:42:47] 	 the oversight-doesn't-hide-anything one?
[11:42:47] 	 Tuju: yes, extension may declare a callback to be invoked
[11:42:48] 	 New code comment: IAlex; At least on meta it's still stated that they are in SVN: [[meta:Planet Wikimedia#Requests for inclus; 
[11:43:09] 	 saper: ack.
[11:43:20] 	 03(NEW) Implement a persistent aspect in ResourceLoader debug mode - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35063 normal; MediaWiki: Resource Loader; (krinklemail)
[11:43:21] 	 03(mod) Unable to use debug mode when previewing a user script - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35061  (10Krinkle)
[11:43:33] 	 apparently those pgsql related code bugs are just syntax issues
[11:43:35] 	 03(mod) Implement a persistent aspect in ResourceLoader debug mode - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35063  normal->15enhancement (10Krinkle)
[11:43:46] 	 !b 17618
[11:43:46] 	 https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17618
[11:44:01] 	 coment three
[11:44:20] 	 mw-bot: it would be nice if you could also spit out some bug metadata, like title or something
[11:44:40] 	 03gwicke *  10/trunk/extensions/VisualEditor/modules/parser/ (3 files):
[11:44:40] 	 A few fixes to parser functions and template expansion. Trim whitespace off
[11:44:40] 	 template arguments, let the last duplicate key win and fake pagenamee slightly
[11:44:40] 	 better.
[11:44:48] 	 oh saper as you can see I tried to delete the sul account
[11:44:55] 	 in order to restart the unification process
[11:44:58] 	 but it didn't work
[11:45:10] 	 I solved a similar issue on it.wiki by renaming
[11:45:15] 	 03(NEW) Cyrillic letter Yat should be included among Special characters in the Enhanced editing toolbar - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35064 enhancement; MediaWiki: Page editing; (lars)
[11:46:11] 	 Tuju: actually rivers over there are full of eels, which slip out such us our bugs
[11:46:46] 	 Tuju, this particular issue is caused by PG's more strict understanding of SQL and the fact that MW and most its extensions are developed in mysql environments
[11:47:06] 	 Vito: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asian_Carp#Invasive_species_in_North_America
[11:47:23] 	 MaxSem: yeah, i kind of thought something like that.
[11:47:53] 	 MaxSem: any change to get those into 116 branch committed if they get sorted out?
[11:48:02] 	 no wai
[11:48:12] 	 it's out of support
[11:48:31] 	 Tuju: my fault, I meant near here
[11:48:40] 	 03(mod) Allow creation of ResourceLoader wiki-modules on a user level - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34958  summary (10Krinkle)
[11:48:41] 	 how come it's out-of-support, i just installed latest Centos6 where it's included.
[11:48:42] 	 1.17 is legacy release, 1.18 is current
[11:48:43] 	 03(mod) Execute User Scripts earlier - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/27488  (10Krinkle)
[11:49:15] 	 MaxSem: are those fixed already committed to those 117 and 118 branches?
[11:49:16] 	 Tuju, take it to CentOS packagers who package petrified mammoth sheet
[11:49:28] 	 !packages | Tuju
[11:49:28] 	 Tuju: Many Linux distributions provide MediaWiki in a packaged format for that distribution. These packages typically contain obsolete and unsupported versions of MediaWiki, also they like to move around files, change the files, and do other batshit insane things. Please install the latest version from a tarball at http://www.mediawiki.org/ before asking for help.
[11:49:31] 	 MaxSem: thanks for [[Special:Code/MediaWiki/112775#c31680]], I wonder why it's not generally used everywhere... people don't know about it?
[11:49:38] 	 03(NEW) Implement 'top' position option for ResourceLoader modules - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35065 major; MediaWiki: Resource Loader; (krinklemail)
[11:49:43] 	 03(mod) Execute User Scripts earlier - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/27488  (10Krinkle)
[11:49:57] 	 03(FIXED) Allow user scripts to load from position top - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/27488  summary; +comment (10Krinkle)
[11:49:59] 	 03(mod) Allow creation of ResourceLoader wiki-modules on a user level - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34958  (10Krinkle)
[11:50:00] 	 03(mod) Implement 'top' position option for ResourceLoader modules - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35065  (10Krinkle)
[11:50:13] 	 04(REOPENED) Allow user scripts to load from position top - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/27488  (10Krinkle)
[11:50:14] 	 Tuju: afaik there are many security fixes from 1.17 to 1.18
[11:50:22] 	 crap
[11:50:26] 	 saper, some people may think it's easier. but that's insane
[11:50:48] 	 MaxSem: what, using an "API"? easier?
[11:50:54] 	 03(mod) Allow user scripts to load from position top - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/27488  (10Krinkle)
[11:50:57] 	 03(mod) Allow creation of ResourceLoader wiki-modules on a user level - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34958  (10Krinkle)
[11:51:11] 	 03(mod) Implement 'top' position option for ResourceLoader modules - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35065  (10Krinkle)
[11:51:14] 	 03(mod) Allow user scripts to load from position top - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/27488  (10Krinkle)
[11:51:58] 	 using API for action=query may indeed be easier than construct queries manually
[11:52:49] 	 03(FIXED) Implement 'top' position option for ResourceLoader modules - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35065  +comment (10Krinkle)
[11:53:12] 	 but then there should be a sane API::Query::ImageProp or something :0
[11:53:17] 	 03gwicke *  10/trunk/extensions/VisualEditor/modules/parser/mediawiki.parser.environment.js:
[11:53:18] 	 Percent-encode spaces in URLs, so that they are recognized as valid URLs later
[11:53:18] 	 on.
[11:53:23] 	 Tuju, if you tell me the exact backtrace I could check if these code paths have changed since 1.16 we indeed continuously try to improve support for other DBs
[11:53:46] 	 MaxSem: yeah it was fixed later in trunk 
[11:54:00] 	 sehr gut then
[11:54:01] 	 sometime in 2010
[11:54:22] 	 MaxSem: http://fpaste.org/uwfo/
[11:54:48] 	 MaxSem: i already changed that quotation issue above in this channel discussion.
[11:54:53] 	 ah this one w8
[12:03:03] 	 MaxSem: does not seem this is changed in trunk - there is on rc_timestamp in https://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/extensions/Nuke/Nuke_body.php?annotate=111298#l232
[12:03:05] 	 03(mod) Edit summary for moves should not include username - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34961  +comment (10Krinkle)
[12:03:25] 	 yup, I was typing the same
[12:03:52] 	 any reason why someone would use PG anyway? :P
[12:04:18] 	 MySQL is better for large wikis, SQLite rocks for small installations
[12:04:50] 	 MaxSem: because it follows ACID?
[12:05:03] 	 https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=23600
[12:05:05] 	 ha
[12:05:15] 	 because it teaches you to write correct SQL instead of buggy "#¤"¤%& ?
[12:05:21] * MaxSem  scratches his head. last time he checked, InnoDB was also ACID
[12:05:48] 	 MaxSem: because the project is not a such mess as mysql,mariadb,whatever is?
[12:06:30] 	 MaxSem: because it has less strict BSD license? Because it's higer quality? Beause it has features that mysql people are trying to implement?
[12:06:41] 	 03(mod) Invalid urls on www.mediawiki.org redirect to inexistant www.mediawiki.org/w/404.php - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35037  +comment (10krinklemail)
[12:06:43] 	 I'd suggest to use Oracle SQL
[12:06:45] * Vito  hides
[12:06:54] 	 religious zeal I feel in you, young padawan
[12:07:04] 	 MaxSem: beacuse it has a single engine and all those features for every installation?
[12:07:44] 	 whaa, it doesn't even supports BLACKHOLE storage engine?!
[12:07:59] 	 i moved to pgsql after i started understanding something about SQL. never heard anyone who would have moved from pgsql to mysql. i wonder why.
[12:11:06] 	 I moved to MySQL from mSQL
[12:11:26] 	 let's move to Oracle!
[12:11:27] 	 maybe you're on right track then, just keep moving :)
[12:11:43] 	 Vito: show me the dollars and i join you!
[12:12:06] 	 actually i had to install oracle few times at work and wanted to go to shower after that.
[12:12:20] 	 Tuju: do you accept €s too?
[12:12:28] 	 Vito: if you insist.
[12:12:53] 	 yep, oracle's installation doesn't seem the installation of a 72.000€ DBMS
[12:13:20] 	 03(mod) Nuke extension doesn't work with postgres db - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/23600  +comment (10marcin.cieslak)
[12:13:24] 	 there is something that i envy in orcale and that's raw disks.
[12:13:53] 	 whee! :)
[12:14:32] 	 hehehe
[12:14:59] 	 saper: I think I'll open dozens of bugs about "why is mediawiki so xrumer-friendly?"
[12:17:06] 	 Tuju: I heard they were discouraging the use of raw disks since oracle 8 or something?
[12:17:26] 	 saper: haven't really followed it
[12:17:52] 	 but i could imagine that FS layer doens't bring anything into db use.
[12:17:53] 	 saper: What's wrong with PostgreSQL?
[12:18:02] 	 03(mod) The ReturnTo query parameter of Special:UserLogin skips array-valued parameters - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34521  (10it_is_me_here)
[12:18:32] 	 you don't want to do this those days beacause of magnificent virtual machinery most OS's provide those days. Varnish (cache) makes an interesting case about this - "no more 1975 programming"
[12:18:59] 	 Barnerd: it's perfectly fine except that we have bug 23600
[12:22:30] 	 03(mod) Integrate Jenkins with Git - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34141  +comment (10krinklemail)
[12:27:05] 	 03ialex *  10/trunk/extensions/ (30 files in 12 dirs): svn:eol-style native
[12:31:40] 	 03(NEW) Old version of articles should transclude the version of the templates used at the time of that revision - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35066 normal; MediaWiki: Templates; (mybugs.mail)
[12:34:03] 	 so, tell me what it would require to upgrade from 117 to 118 ?
[12:34:34] 	 03(mod) Don't show hide options for anon edits on RC with disabled anon editing - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34789  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[12:41:29] 	 MaxSem: now it works.
[12:41:36] 	 with pgsql, the Nuke extension.
[12:43:54] 	 humm?  the column is still absent from GROUP BY
[12:44:05] 	 03(NEW) Provide an easy way to get a diff against an old revision of a page while editing it - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35067 normal; MediaWiki: History/Diffs; (mybugs.mail)
[12:44:08] 	 i added it there.
[12:46:25] 	 MaxSem: http://fpaste.org/UjqQ/ please commit
[12:47:49] 	 Tuju: checking right now in trunk, thanks
[12:47:53] 	 the upper part is already there
[12:48:10] 	 put it into branch listed in that paste.
[12:49:25] 	 not supported menas not supported
[12:49:29] 	 *means
[12:49:45] 	 it means you don't have to support it, nothing is quranteed.
[12:50:42] 	 From the short url section: "http://wiki.example.com/Page_title (not recommended!)" why is this?
[12:50:57] 	 if you don't commit, there's no point for me mentioning those patches here.
[12:51:31] 	 benjick, what will be with http://wiki.example.com/robots.txt for example?
[12:52:18] 	 of course, you can overcome this problem with a load of rewrite rules, but it's still hard to do properly and it's still prone to errors
[12:52:30] 	 The WP way looks easy enough
[12:52:32] 	 http://codex.wordpress.org/Using_Permalinks#Creating_and_editing_.28.htaccess.29
[12:52:38] 	 If it's not a file send it to index.php
[12:54:29] 	 benjick, what if there's a page called favicon.ico ?
[12:55:08] 	 That's true
[12:55:08] 	 it's a wiki, pages can have absoultely weird titles
[12:55:21] 	 I guess I'll use the recommended way after all
[12:55:42] 	 $wgScriptPath = '/w'; <- should I put all the files in a folder called w? I have it in the webroot now
[12:55:51] 	 yes
[12:55:59] 	 Any complications moving this?
[12:57:07] 	 from root to /w? none, just don't forget to update $wgScriptPath
[12:59:18] 	 Thank you
[12:59:19] 	 I get Redirect loop detected!
[12:59:34] 	 It says check $wgArticlePath but it's set accordingly
[13:00:25] 	 Ah, nevermind
[13:01:49] 	 MaxSem: Thank for the help! It's running smooth now
[13:01:52] 	 my ConfirmEdit doesn't appear to work.
[13:08:19] 	 03jdlrobson *  10/trunk/extensions/MobileFrontend/stylesheets/blackberry.css:
[13:08:19] 	 render search box correctly on blackberry 9300
[13:08:19] 	 it seems there is an issue with absolute positioning
[13:08:19] 	 within padded elements on blackberry 9300 in that the
[13:08:20] 	 logo jumps to the right underneath the search box
[13:08:21] 	 this fixes this by putting the padding on the parent
[13:08:22] 	 element
[13:13:59] 	 03(mod) Cyrillic letter Yat should be included among Special characters in the Enhanced editing toolbar - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35064  +comment (10lars)
[13:15:58] 	 anyone here an op on wikipedia ??
[13:16:32] 	 i'd like to ask that an article I was working on be placed in the incubator
[13:27:47] 	 argh, NetBeans insists on eating memory with a huge showel
[13:28:06] 	 03saper *  10/trunk/extensions/Nuke/Nuke_body.php: (log message trimmed)
[13:28:06] 	 Fix bug 23600: column "recentchanges.rc_timestamp" should be in GROUP BY
[13:28:06] 	 PostgreSQL error:
[13:28:07] 	 Query: SELECT rc_namespace,rc_title,rc_timestamp,COUNT(*) AS edits FROM
[13:28:08] 	 recentchanges WHERE rc_user_text = 'Dnessett' AND ((rc_new = 1) OR (rc_log_type
[13:28:09] 	 = 'upload' AND rc_log_action = 'upload')) GROUP BY rc_namespace, rc_title ORDER
[13:28:10] 	 BY rc_timestamp DESC Function: SpecialNuke::getNewPages Error: 1 ERROR: column
[13:28:48] 	 New code comment: Reedy; I'm getting... \ 
 \ U /home/reedy/mediawiki/trunk/extensions/SideBarMenu/test/MenuParserTest.p; 
[13:29:18] 	  I can't find in the docs how to actually make resourceloader to load jquery
[13:29:22] 	 Any pointers?
[13:30:01] 	 03(FIXED) Nuke extension w/PostgreSQL: column "recentchanges.rc_timestamp" should be in GROUP BY - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/23600  summary; +comment (10Marcin Cieślak)
[13:30:18] 	 03(mod) Nuke extension w/PostgreSQL: column "recentchanges.rc_timestamp" should be in GROUP BY - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/23600  (10Marcin Cieślak)
[13:31:05] 	 Tuju: committed, thanks!
[13:32:29] 	 saper: which revision you've?
[13:33:48] 	 New code comment: Reedy; Meh, must just be SVN being stupid. Removing the extension and then svn updating again fixed it; 
[13:34:31] 	 saper: 113364 doesn't have it.
[13:36:56] 	 14(INVALID) Wikipedia App - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35056  +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[13:37:53] 	 Tuju: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/113364
[13:38:02] 	 in trunk
[13:38:17] 	 saper: like said, i'm not using trunk.
[13:38:57] 	 which is hardly surprise when doing production.
[13:39:33] 	 although this is a fscking mess whole codebase so i don't care, it all fits into picture.
[13:39:48] 	 i just keep next patch with myself.
[13:40:04] 	 Tuju: I am using trunk for my not-so-important wikis; or staying as close as possible to WMF deployment
[13:44:47] 	 03(mod) Transwiki image import - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/6071  +comment (10Rehman)
[13:46:01] 	 14(INVALID) Nothing translate to Bahasa Indonesia on wiki-id at Special:Log - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35062  +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[13:57:41] 	 03maxsem *  10/trunk/extensions/OpenSearchXml/ApiOpenSearchXml.php: Extended OpenSearchXml to use extracts and images from other extensions such as PageImages and MobileFrontend's excerpt module, both of which produce better results.
[13:59:57] 	 03(mod) Problems installing Version r37495 on MW 1.13.0 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35008  +comment (10sam)
[14:15:44] 	 03(mod) No-longer-existing userrights still present on the userrights personal dossier - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35039  normal->minor (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[14:18:53] 	 03(mod) Edit summary for moves should not include username - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34961  (10sreed)
[14:24:11] 	 03gwicke *  10/trunk/extensions/VisualEditor/modules/parser/ (3 files):
[14:24:11] 	 Temporary fix for template tokenization, especially needed for
[14:24:11] 	 [[Template:Cite core]].
[14:25:21] 	 03(mod) Collapsible navigation elements are no links - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34754  +comment (10kn.bugzilla)
[14:25:37] 	 03(FIXED) Namespace aliases for wikipedia and wikipedia-talk namespaces on Sanskrit wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35012  +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[14:39:43] 	 03(mod) backtrace when getting a PDF - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35055  +comment (10Ralf Schmitt)
[14:57:45] 	 03(FIXED) Please upload Barack Obama's SOTU & weekly video addresses from February 2012 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34771  +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[15:04:37] 	 hi
[15:07:53] 	 03(mod) Unable to login via SUL-account - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/17618  +comment (10sam)
[15:11:11] 	 03(NEW) Monobook user edit buttons go first - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35068 trivial; MediaWiki: Javascript; (juandevojnikov)
[15:13:19] 	 14(INVALID) Unable to login via SUL-account - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/17618  +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[15:15:07] 	 So, anyone know how I can get rid of the index.php in the link?
[15:15:17] 	 Like clear the index.php in this, http://www.simenolai.info/index.php/Main_Page
[15:20:27] 	 !prettyurl | SimenOlai
[15:20:27] 	 SimenOlai: To create simple URLs (such as the /wiki/PAGENAME style URLs on Wikimedia sites), follow the instructions at . There are instructions for most different webserver setups. If you have problems getting the rewrite rules to work, see !rewriteproblem
[15:20:51] 	 Thanks :)
[15:21:09] 	 I will try that, Ill come back if it doesnt work :)
[15:36:14] 	 Uhm, what do I do now o.o
[15:36:24] 	 Cant access my site anymore :(
[15:37:15] 	 Reedy: should we create a 1.19beta1 tag in bugzilla ?
[15:37:30] 	 SimenOlai: white page?
[15:37:45] 	 hashar: Maybe.. I think we do, and then remove it when released
[15:37:50] 	 As we don't have the old tags around now
[15:37:58] 	 doing so
[15:38:06] 	 Reedy: do you follow something like this https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Release_checklist for releasing a beta?
[15:38:12] 	 Its sending me to the host
[15:38:19] 	 http://error404.000webhost.com/?
[15:38:21] 	 :P
[15:38:41] 	 I suppose "Release candidate for a new major version"
[15:38:43] 	 SimenOlai: sounds like a very broken 404 handler :)
[15:38:49] 	 just try yourself, http://simenolai.info
[15:38:58] 	 Indeed
[15:39:14] 	 03(NEW) ". ." still appears in article history after the (-xx)/(+xx) portion without an edit summary - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35069 normal; MediaWiki: History/Diffs; (hurricanefan25.wikipedia)
[15:39:31] 	 !rewriteproblem | Snowolf
[15:39:31] 	 Snowolf: 1) Try  as a fail-safe method; 2) Do not put the files into the document root; 3) Do not map the pages into the document root (see !nullpath); 4) Use different, non-overlapping paths for real files and virtual pages; 5) Do not set a RewriteBase; 6) Put all rules into the .htaccess file in the document root.
[15:39:47] 	 SimenOlai: put the relevant bits of your LocalSettings.php and your .htaccess on a pastebin
[15:39:55] * Snowolf  thanks mw-bot
[15:40:06] 	 indeed :)
[15:40:07] 	 relevant?
[15:40:14] 	 Like the stuff I added to them?
[15:40:20] 	 the stuff you added or changed
[15:40:23] 	 Okay
[15:40:46] 	 but have a look at the factoid Snowolf got for you
[15:41:04] 	 SimenOlai: or post the whole thing, just remove any passwords or secrets :)
[15:41:33] 	 Daniel_WMDE: lol actually I got it for myself but heh
[15:43:37] 	 Daniel_WMDE, http://pastebin.com/CpdpfUZJ
[15:43:39] 	 03(FIXED) Don't have wikipedia specific code in the extension itself - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/32650  +comment (10Jon)
[15:44:01] 	 o.o
[15:44:19] 	 Did wikibugs respond to me?
[15:44:26] 	 Or just good timing?
[15:44:58] 	 SimenOlai: it is a bot. just good timing only
[15:45:08] 	 I know its a bot, lol
[15:45:13] 	 !imabot | Snowolf 
[15:45:13] 	 Snowolf: I'm an irc bot, I just act on commands given by users in the channel, you're best off directing your questions to the humans in the channel.
[15:45:21] 	 okok
[15:45:42] 	 sumanah: hmm?
[15:45:54] 	 18* 27Snowolf thanks mw-bot
[15:46:17] 	 I know it's a bot...
[15:46:25] 	 say that to sumanah 
[15:46:27] 	 :P
[15:46:28] 	 03(mod) RTL with IE-7 (or IE 8/9 in "compatability mode") does not show any toolbar - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34885  +comment (10fur.hewiki)
[15:46:31] 	 No prob
[15:46:45] * SimenOlai  hugs mw-bot and wikibugs 
[15:47:01] 	 :-)
[15:47:06] 	 Even bots deserve hugs
[15:47:14] 	 yeah
[15:47:34] 	 SimenOlai: how's your MediaWiki-related life going? :)
[15:48:08] 	 bad :(
[15:48:13] 	 It crashed my site, :P
[15:48:25] 	 My sympathies.
[15:48:57] 	 So now Daniel_WMDE is helping me ( I hope )
[15:49:05] 	 I bet he is!
[15:49:18] 	 Nightrose: Daniel_WMDE - so, mind if we talk a bit here about Ask The Developers?
[15:50:29] 	 03(mod) ". ." still appears in article history after the (-xx)/(+xx) portion without an edit summary - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35069  (10hurricanefan25.wikipedia)
[15:52:56] 	 Daniel_WMDE, Found the problem yet?
[15:55:30] 	 03(mod) ". ." still appears in article history after the (-xx)/(+xx) portion without an edit summary - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35069  normal->trivial;  +easy (10Antoine "hashar" Musso)
[15:56:03] 	 03(mod) [Regression] File deletions (via API?) leave stuff behind - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35047  +comment (10Jameslwoodward)
[15:58:02] 	 hi, is there an example in python for uploading attachments to mediawiki? 
[15:58:13] 	 sumanah: sorry - was on the phone
[15:58:16] 	 don't mind
[15:58:22] 	 Nightrose: ah, just emailed you
[15:58:27] 	 dodger: you want the API I think
[15:58:27] 	 ok checking
[15:58:30] 	 !api | dodger 
[15:58:30] 	 dodger: The MediaWiki API provides direct, high-level access to the data contained in the MediaWiki databases. Client programs should be able to use the API to login, get data, and post changes. Find out more at . For client libraries in various languages, see .
[15:58:42] 	 yeah am trying to use mwclient
[15:58:43] 	 this is the web-based API to MediaWiki
[15:58:49] 	 aah
[15:58:58] 	 ok
[15:59:10] 	 cogito...ergo..
[15:59:11] 	 ?
[15:59:12] 	 sumanah: this would be a 70 min panel
[15:59:36] 	 03(mod) Monobook user edit buttons go first - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35068  +comment (10Antoine "hashar" Musso)
[15:59:44] 	 Nightrose: Ask The Developers is traditionally about an hour, yes
[16:00:04] 	 Nightrose: so your Wikidata-related one would be, too
[16:00:05] 	 03(mod) Provide an easy way to get a diff against an old revision of a page while editing it - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35067  normal->15enhancement (10Antoine "hashar" Musso)
[16:00:17] 	 sumanah: yeah ok
[16:00:23] 	 i'll do that then
[16:00:45] 	 Nightrose: you might need to explain in your abstract how huge an endeavor and change this is
[16:01:01] 	 ok
[16:01:07] 	 Nightrose: then again you might not, since you might have an "in" on the programming committee :-)
[16:01:13] 	 lol
[16:01:20] 	 maaaaaaybe
[16:02:03] 	 03(mod) To enable Special:Import right on http://or.wikipedia.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31185  +comment (10sam)
[16:02:48] 	 Yes, Cogito Ergo Sumana, dodger :D
[16:02:57] 	 03(mod) Cyrillic letter Yat should be included among Special characters in the Enhanced editing toolbar - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35064   +easy; +comment (10Antoine "hashar" Musso)
[16:03:13] 	 Sorry I have never actually used mwclient, dodger 
[16:03:22] 	 lol hey i made your blog once :-P
[16:04:20] 	 03(mod) Unable to use debug mode when previewing a user script - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35061  normal->minor (10Antoine "hashar" Musso)
[16:10:20] 	 yay, Regina Spektor on the hotel lobby speakers
[16:11:52] 	 03(FIXED) Putting ArticleFeedback for all articles on the Lusophone Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34441  +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[16:14:11] 	 
[16:14:23] 	 I can't recall, Amgine, what does gg mean?
[16:14:32] 	 giggle, in amginish.
[16:14:59] 	 aha
[16:15:07] 	 how's life, Amgine? I know I am behind on responding to some email to you
[16:15:23] 	 funny, I was just going to ping about that...
[16:15:47] 	 tired, late night dinner schmoozing with power-people, then busing home.
[16:16:00] 	 power people?  powerful, or electricians?
[16:16:01] 	 :)
[16:16:13] 	 powerful, in this case. 
[16:16:42] 	 Academics, so darn... peckingorderish.
[16:17:08] 	 The Pyramid
[16:27:32] 	 03(mod) Trailing whitespace not visible in code diffs - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34483  +comment (10mah)
[16:27:46] 	 03(mod) Namespace aliases for wikipedia and wikipedia-talk namespaces on Sanskrit wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35012  (10hemantbugzilla)
[16:29:18] 	 Hello all, quick question I hope. My mediawiki parsed code has some broken 
 tags in it making it stop working with the rich snippet tool from google. Would anyone be able to direct me where I could learn how to fix it?
[16:33:07] 	 03reedy *  10/trunk/extensions/ExtensionDistributor/ExtensionDistributor_body.php:
[16:33:07] 	 Bug 27246 - Downloading trunk version of ExtensionDistributor gives error
[16:33:07] 	 Only attempt to include ExtensionFunctions.php if it exists in this extension source tree AND it's used!
[16:34:41] 	 03reedy *  10/branches/wmf/1.19wmf1/extensions/ (3 files in 2 dirs): MFT r113367
[16:35:49] 	 03reedy *  10/trunk/extensions/ExtensionDistributor/ExtensionDistributor_body.php: Fix all trailing whitespace
[16:36:55] 	 03(FIXED) Downloading trunk version of ExtensionDistributor gives error - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/27246  +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[16:43:53] 	 03emsmith *  10/trunk/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5/ (7 files in 3 dirs):
[16:43:53] 	 bug 34090 - make different titles for masking appear if it's been hidden or
[16:43:53] 	 oversighted. Add links to the user pages for the red lines on the overlays, fix
[16:43:53] 	 a bug where the item wasn't being added in the right spot, moved the "make a
[16:43:54] 	 user link" to the utils class since it was being used in several places
[16:52:18] 	 Anyone else on Postgres run into this problem? http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Thread:Project:Support_desk/PHP_Notice:_unserialize%28%29:_Error_at_offset_0
[16:52:30] 	 I'm sure sumanah is going to be going "Andy! I bet you could help fix that!"
[16:53:15] 	 We're low on postgtres people
[16:54:02] 	 03(mod) Make ExtensionDistributor work with Git - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/27812  +comment (10sam)
[16:54:33] 	 Reedy: I know.
[16:55:33] 	 New code comment: Amire80; Please document the i18n messages under the qqq language.; 
[16:56:50] 	 03(mod) [Regression] File deletions leave stuff behind - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35047  summary (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[16:57:16] 	 Reedy: I'd be glad to help dig into the problem if I knew what was going on.
[16:59:02] 	 New patchset: Hashar; "change to trigger parser tests." [test/mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/2959
[17:00:16] 	 New review: jenkins-bot; "Build Started https://integration.mediawiki.org/ci/job/MediaWiki-GIT-Fetching/5/ " [test/mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/2959
[17:01:38] 	 New patchset: Hashar; "change to trigger various jenkins tests." [test/mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/2959
[17:02:07] 	 which is the address panel of the mean mediawiki? thanks!
[17:02:41] 	 which is the address panel of the mean mediawiki? thanks!
[17:02:52] 	 New review: jenkins-bot; "Build Started https://integration.mediawiki.org/ci/job/MediaWiki-GIT-Fetching/6/ " [test/mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/2959
[17:03:02] 	 born32: your question is not proper english :-/
[17:03:21] 	 born32: try asking in spanish. I guess Platonides could translate
[17:03:23] 	 mofre to the point... what's an "address panel"?
[17:03:50] 	 hashar which is the address of the control panel of the mean mediawiki? thanks! :(
[17:04:08] 	 It's a Daniel_WMDE!
[17:04:32] 	 b
[17:04:33] 	 o
[17:04:44] 	 born32: I do not understand. Use spanish !
[17:05:10] 	 hashar jajajaja,,, que como se entra en el maldito panel de la wikimedia? donde se administran permisos etc.. xD
[17:05:45] 	 I understand your spanish :-]
[17:06:00] 	 hashar ...
[17:06:01] 	 Platonides ping, care to help with some spanish ? :-]]
[17:06:18] 	 Platonides has away XD
[17:06:25] 	 there is no control panel 
[17:07:03] 	 all is done on [[Special:SpecialPages]]  example :  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:SpecialPages
[17:07:20] 	 03(mod) Problems installing Version r37495 on MW 1.13.0 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35008  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[17:08:03] 	 or http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Especial:PáginasEspeciales  :)
[17:08:12] 	 hashar as I change the configuration of mediawiki?
[17:08:16] 	 03(mod) restore missing file versions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35048  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[17:08:16] 	 and thanks :9
[17:08:26] 	 born32: configuration : edit LocalSettings.php
[17:08:46] 	 and more configuration?
[17:09:04] 	 03(mod) Don't show hide options for anon edits on RC with disabled anon editing - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34789  +comment (10subfader)
[17:10:03] 	 03(mod) File stuck in half-deleted state on English Wikipedia, cannot be deleted - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35054  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[17:18:00] 	 New patchset: Hashar; "change to trigger various jenkins tests." [test/mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/2959
[17:19:14] 	 New review: jenkins-bot; "Build Started https://integration.mediawiki.org/ci/job/MediaWiki-GIT-Fetching/7/ " [test/mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/2959
[17:19:49] 	 New patchset: Hashar; "fixup parser tests and api ant targets" [integration/jenkins] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/2984
[17:19:51] 	 New review: gerrit2; "Lint check passed." [integration/jenkins] (master); V: 1 - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/2984
[17:20:07] 	 New review: Hashar; "(no comment)" [integration/jenkins] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/2984
[17:20:10] 	 Change merged: Hashar; [integration/jenkins] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/2984
[17:20:18] 	 New code comment: ^demon; Other than using these in the API versions, I highly highly discourage them. They tend to create nee; 
[17:23:33] 	 New code comment: ^demon; It makes me sad that we're still dealing with this vestigial file :(; 
[17:24:28] 	 Any bugzilla admin around?
[17:24:49] 	 03(mod) [Regresion] Preview button only works on second click - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35057  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[17:28:02] 	 03(mod) Dialog has no style applied and therefore is transparent (jQuery.UI) for RTL languages and monobook - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35059  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[17:29:03] 	 03(mod) [[Special:MyPage]] should not discard URL parameters - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35060  normal->15enhancement (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[17:29:44] 	 03(mod) Unable to use debug mode when previewing a user script - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35061  minor->15enhancement (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[17:30:14] 	 03(mod) Old version of articles should transclude the version of the templates used at the time of that revision - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35066  normal->15enhancement (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[17:34:06] 	 04(REOPENED) Putting ArticleFeedback for all articles on the Lusophone Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34441  +comment (10Pedroca cerebral)
[17:35:29] 	 03(mod) Trailing whitespace not visible in code diffs - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34483  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[17:38:44] 	 New patchset: Hashar; "explain how to set mw.database / mw.branch (unused)" [integration/jenkins] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/2985
[17:38:47] 	 New patchset: Hashar; "redo properties files scheme" [integration/jenkins] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/2986
[17:38:49] 	 New review: gerrit2; "Lint check passed." [integration/jenkins] (master); V: 1 - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/2985
[17:38:49] 	 New review: gerrit2; "Lint check passed." [integration/jenkins] (master); V: 1 - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/2986
[17:39:07] 	 New review: Hashar; "(no comment)" [integration/jenkins] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/2986
[17:39:14] 	 New review: Hashar; "(no comment)" [integration/jenkins] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/2985
[17:39:17] 	 Change merged: Hashar; [integration/jenkins] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/2986
[17:39:18] 	 Change merged: Hashar; [integration/jenkins] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/2985
[17:40:22] 	 03(mod) Don't show hide options for anon edits on RC with disabled anon editing - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34789  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[17:40:47] 	 New patchset: Hashar; "change to trigger various jenkins tests." [test/mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/2959
[17:40:52] 	 o.o
[17:40:56] 	 Spambots :P
[17:42:01] 	 New review: jenkins-bot; "Build Started https://integration.mediawiki.org/ci/job/MediaWiki-GIT-Fetching/8/ " [test/mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/2959
[17:42:57] 	 New review: jenkins-bot; "Build Started https://integration.mediawiki.org/ci/job/MediaWiki-GIT-Fetching/9/ " [test/mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/2959
[17:43:08] 	 o_O
[17:43:20] 	 Spambots :O
[17:43:32] <^demon>	 They're not spam bots.
[17:43:38] 	 I call them spambots
[17:43:39] 	 :P
[17:44:32] <^demon>	 You might be interested in /ignore
[17:45:10] 	 03(mod) mobile wikipedia commonly uses non-canonical urls that don't get squid/varnish/whatever cache purged - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/30772  +comment (10Max Semenik)
[17:46:01] 	 New review: jenkins-bot; "Build Started https://integration.mediawiki.org/ci/job/MediaWiki-GIT-Fetching/10/ " [test/mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/2959
[17:47:01] 	 that flood bot turns this channel into shit
[17:47:29] 	 They should be in #mediawiki-changes
[17:48:06] 	 03(FIXED) Putting ArticleFeedback for all articles on the Lusophone Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34441  +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[17:48:17] 	 they should be here, just not post trivial stuff like "build started" or "lint passed"
[17:49:15] 	 New review: jenkins-bot; "Build Started https://integration.mediawiki.org/ci/job/MediaWiki-GIT-Fetching/11/ " [test/mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/2959
[17:49:35] <^demon>	 We'd have to make the bot filter our certain messages.
[17:49:37] * ^demon  shrugs
[17:51:17] 	 03emsmith *  10/trunk/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5/ (2 files in 2 dirs): bug 34090 - fixes for oversighter view for hide/oversight panels
[17:51:50] 	 I can ignore the bot, of course, but that means that everyone coming to #mediawiki has to ignore it or be unable to use this channel
[17:51:54] 	 New review: jenkins-bot; "Build Started https://integration.mediawiki.org/ci/job/MediaWiki-GIT-Fetching/12/ " [test/mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/2959
[17:52:07] 	 so....
[17:52:12] 	 we could probably remove the build started message
[17:52:22] 	 03(NEW) Blanking a post commits successfully when disallowed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35070 normal; MediaWiki extensions: LiquidThreads; (rschnautz)
[17:52:26] 	 03(mod) Stage source tree on fenari with git instead of svn - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34138  +comment (10sam)
[17:52:38] <^demon>	 Yeah the start message is kinda pointless. Results are good though.
[17:52:59] 	 I am looking at the Gerrit trigger plugin in jenkins
[17:55:39] 	 03(mod) Blanking a post commits successfully when disallowed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35070  (10Rob Schnautz)
[17:56:43] 	 03(mod) Monobook user edit buttons go first - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35068  +comment (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[17:56:55] 	 03(mod) Search not properly working on mr.wikisource.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34869  normal->major (10Shantanoo)
[17:57:15] 	 03(mod) Monobook user edit buttons go first - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35068  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[17:58:00] 	 03(mod) ". ." still appears in article history after the (-xx)/(+xx) portion without an edit summary - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35069  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[17:58:54] 	 New patchset: Hashar; "MediaWiki parser tests for git fetches" [integration/jenkins] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/2987
[17:58:56] 	 New review: gerrit2; "Lint check passed." [integration/jenkins] (master); V: 1 - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/2987
[17:59:03] 	 damn stupid gerrit
[17:59:09] 	 "Lint check passed." is false
[17:59:20] 	 that is a puppet validation message
[17:59:21] 	 :-)
[17:59:32] 	 New review: Hashar; "(no comment)" [integration/jenkins] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/2987
[17:59:35] 	 Change merged: Hashar; [integration/jenkins] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/2987
[17:59:49] 	 ^demon: I think some people should be allowed to merge without review
[17:59:56] 	 ^demon: that would save the double spam :-]
[18:00:05] <^demon>	 File a bug.
[18:00:10] 	 I know mark is doing blank review + merge also
[18:00:11] 	 yeah
[18:00:27] 	 wut
[18:01:16] 	 how should I parse "blanking a post commits succesfully when disallowed"
[18:01:16] 	 what is the verb?
[18:01:39] 	 Nikerabbit: I don't understand that one :-∏
[18:01:41] <^demon>	 "A user who shouldn't be able to blank a post was able to. It gave an error, but blanked the post anyway"
[18:01:43] <^demon>	 Afaict.
[18:01:54] 	 maybe raise a nice error message such as :  "Error: sentence is not proper english"
[18:02:21] 	 grammar don't matter, do it?
[18:02:52] 	 Saruman: it does not matter if someone can understand :-]
[18:03:04] 	 Saruman: if nobody understand then it is a big trouble !
[18:03:12] 	 true dat
[18:04:23] <^demon>	 I still think the oddest grammar I've encountered on a regular basis is "Please do the needful." I had a *lot* of former coworkers say that.
[18:04:34] 	 ^demon: indian?
[18:04:40] 	 I see that here *everywhere* here
[18:04:40] <^demon>	 *nod*
[18:04:49] 	 but the one that gets me is 'revert back'
[18:05:56] <^demon>	 My team worked with a large group of developers from India. Constantly got that in e-mails.
[18:06:16] <^demon>	 I mean, I knew what it meant, but it's still jarring because the wording is so odd to a native english speaker.
[18:06:40] 	 Change merged: Hashar; [test/mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/2959
[18:06:51] 	 should the PageAttachment extension be installed by default? 
[18:06:57] 	 grr merged instead of review
[18:07:21] <^demon>	 dodger: I've never even heard of it, so my guess would be no.
[18:07:24] 	 04(REOPENED) Putting ArticleFeedback for all articles on the Lusophone Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34441  +comment (10Pedroca cerebral)
[18:07:32] 	 New patchset: Hashar; "having fun again." [test/mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/2988
[18:09:16] 	 03(mod) [Regresion] Preview button only works on second click - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35057  +comment (10Chris McMahon)
[18:09:43] 	 is there a generic way to add an attachment to a page?
[18:10:13] <^demon>	 Upload a file and link to it from the page?
[18:10:31] <^demon>	 Wow, this PageAttachment thing seems to do a *lot* of wheel-reinvention.
[18:10:36] 	 03(FIXED) Putting ArticleFeedback for all articles on the Lusophone Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34441  +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[18:11:44] 	 03(mod) Putting ArticleFeedback for all articles on the Lusophone Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34441  +comment (10sam)
[18:12:00] 	 ^ rage
[18:12:59] <^demon>	 WFM too.
[18:14:32] 	 03maxsem *  10/trunk/extensions/OpenSearchXml/ApiOpenSearchXml.php: Remove weird underscore prefixes from function names
[18:15:34] 	 New code comment: Catrope; Marking todo for message documentation and lack of i18n for the fake username.; 
[18:17:03] 	 New code comment: Catrope; Hmm, what broke here? data-foo is supposed to Just Work, I'd be interested to hear what kinds of iss; 
[18:20:39] 	 03(mod) Stage source tree on fenari with git instead of svn - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34138  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[18:21:39] 	 03jeroendedauw *  10/trunk/extensions/EducationProgram/ (6 files in 4 dirs): http://education.wmflabs.org/index.php/Thread:MW_1.18_talk:Community_portal/Articles
[18:21:48] 	 New code comment: Elizabeth M Smith; data-foo works - kind of \ If the attribute is present in the html it is properly added to data and ; 
[18:22:42] 	 03preilly *  10/trunk/extensions/ZeroRatedMobileAccess/ZeroRatedMobileAccess.body.php: render zero rated landing page
[18:23:31] 	 03(mod) [Regresion] Preview button only works on second click - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35057  +comment (10rkaldari)
[18:24:01] 	 03(mod) [Regresion] Preview button only works on second click - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35057  major->normal (10Ryan Kaldari)
[18:24:03] 	 New code comment: Catrope; That's weird, setting yet-unheard-of data is supposed to work even in the presence of other data- at; 
[18:25:29] 	 03catrope *  10/branches/wmf/1.19wmf1/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5/: 1.19wmf1: Delete ArticleFeedbackv5 for rebranch
[18:25:33] 	 New code comment: Elizabeth M Smith; I highly suspect it's a JQuery bug, but for now the workaround functions fine ("That's weird" seems ; 
[18:27:11] 	 03catrope *  10/branches/wmf/1.19wmf1/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5/: 1.19wmf1: Rebranch ArticleFeedbackv5
[18:29:23] 	 03(mod) Putting ArticleFeedback for all articles on the Lusophone Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34441  +comment (10Pedroleodato)
[18:30:25] 	 03catrope *  10/trunk/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5/sql/ArticleFeedbackv5.sql: Followup r113206: this index can't be UNIQUE because we have duplicate values in production :(
[18:31:00] 	 Is it possible to set up CentralAuth for just one wiki?
[18:31:12] 	 why? :-D
[18:31:43] 	 I mean I guess you can have a group of one.. but it seems like a waste of time
[18:32:50] 	 Well It is easier to manage rights and all that
[18:33:59] 	 03preilly *  10/trunk/extensions/MobileFrontend/templates/ApplicationTemplate.php: remove ROBOTS meta tag
[18:35:26] 	 When it means create databases were should I make those?
[18:35:26] 	 wgLocalDatabases would just have the one wiki in it
[18:35:33] 	 New code comment: Nikerabbit; /me protests.; 
[18:35:54] 	 	When it means create databases were should I make those?
[18:36:33] 	 New code comment: MaxSem; Causes bug 35051.; 
[18:36:46] 	 03(mod) [regression 1.19] If heading has a trailing space after == then its name is not preloaded into edit summary on section edit - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35051  +comment (10Max Semenik)
[18:36:53] 	 03(NEW) mediawiki.action.edit.js always setting legacy function - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35071 normal; MediaWiki: Javascript; (duplicatebug)
[18:38:06] 	 well if you want it called something other than 'centralauth' you need to set that in 
[18:38:16] 	 $wgCentralAuthDatabase
[18:38:22] 	 and then go make the db 
[18:38:45] 	 were should I make the db?
[18:39:00] 	 um, the same place your wiki db is
[18:40:13] 	 like were local setting's is stored? H:\www\mediawiki
[18:40:32] 	 no
[18:40:41] 	 I assume you're using mysql
[18:40:45] 	 yes
[18:40:46] 	 let's say
[18:40:55] 	 then that server has your wiki's db
[18:41:02] 	 and it should also hold the central auth db
[18:41:38] 	 so, H:\mysql
[18:42:12] 	 or,
[18:42:38] 	 H:\mysql\data\mediawiki
[18:43:22] 	 well you want to use the central-auth.sql  file included with the extension, and presumably the mysql client to get the data in there 
[18:43:56] 	 after creating the db
[18:44:03] 	 can't i run maintenance update.php
[18:44:23] 	 and it will just automaticly do it?
[18:44:25] 	 I don't know if that will pick it up or not
[18:44:32] 	 you can try it but then you should check afterwards
[18:44:59] 	 anyways you need to create an centralauth db by hand
[18:45:05] 	 that's not in the sql file
[18:45:08] 	 only the tables.
[18:45:58] 	 Were in the manual on creating your own tables?
[18:46:13] 	 and when I am done do I save it as .sql or .php
[18:47:34] 	 save?
[18:47:36] 	 um
[18:47:47] 	 http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:CentralAuth
[18:47:48] 	 New code comment: MaxSem; Shouldn't it be somewhere like Special:ZeroRated instead?; 
[18:48:07] 	 I was able to follow this and basically get it working without much fuss, though that was some months ago
[18:48:26] 	 IIRC it isn't setup for updater.php
[18:48:27] * Reedy  checks
[18:49:00] 	 what is .FRM
[18:49:14] 	 it's a file that mysql uses to store data in
[18:49:31] 	 why can't I open it
[18:49:44] 	 It says file extension no found
[18:49:50] 	 because you are not the tech expert
[18:49:54] 	 you don't want to open those
[18:49:54] 	 so change name, now
[18:50:06] 	 you want to use a mysql client of some kind
[18:50:09] 	 Why you want to open it anyway?
[18:50:11] 	 03preilly *  10/trunk/extensions/ZeroRatedMobileAccess/ZeroRatedMobileAccess.body.php: render zero rated landing page
[18:50:29] 	 look at the commands in the beginning of extensions/CentralAuth/central-auth.sql
[18:50:35] 	 CREATE DATABASE centralauth;
[18:50:43] 	 I don't know what I am so pose to put in the tables
[18:50:43] 	 USE centralauth;
[18:50:44] 	 etc.
[18:50:47] 	 those 
[18:50:56] 	 (although the grant statement is an example)
[18:51:03] 	 New code comment: Preilly; This is now fixed in: r113379.; 
[18:51:07] 	 you need a mysql client you can give those commands to
[18:51:30] 	 unless maybe you have phpmyadmin or something and can do it that way (don't ask me for help with thatm I don't have it)
[18:51:37] 	 03catrope *  10/trunk/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5/sql/filter_count.sql: Fix SQL syntax error
[18:52:04] 	 I guess I will use phpmyadmin since I have that
[18:52:04] 	 after the empty database is created, you can feed extensions/CentralAuth/central-auth.sql to your mysql client to create the tables
[18:52:07] 	 SimenOlai: ping
[18:52:17] 	 ?
[18:52:23] 	 SimenOlai: > This is a private paste. If you created this paste, please login to view it.
[18:52:31] 	 ??
[18:52:39] 	 SimenOlai: do you want to fix your wiki?
[18:52:42] 	 then read through the page I linked to for other things you'll neeed to do, like migrating existing user info in
[18:52:46] 	 Ohhh
[18:53:30] 	 Why didnt you tell me before?
[18:53:31] 	 http://pastebin.com/NWhB629Z
[18:53:35] 	 so just create the db's but leave them empty (like not put anything in there)
[18:53:45] 	 SimenOlai: because i didn't look before?
[18:55:04] 	 create 1 db. 
[18:55:16] 	 use the extensions/CentralAuth/central-auth.sql filel to create the tables in that db
[18:55:31] 	 read the documentation I linked to, about migrating user data into the tables
[18:56:10] 	 SimenOlai: and what's in your docroot?
[18:56:22] 	 SimenOlai: directory listing?
[18:56:49] 	 In my doc folder?
[18:57:09] 	 I'm going to wander off now (I need to do dishes so I can cook)
[18:57:11] 	 good luck
[18:57:25] 	 ?? test
[18:57:29] 	 ??help
[18:57:31] 	 :P
[18:59:32] 	 03(mod) ISBN, RFC and PMID "magic links" might support non-breaking spaces ( ) too - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/28950  +comment (10wicke)
[19:01:51] 	 03preilly *  10/branches/wmf/1.19wmf1/extensions/ZeroRatedMobileAccess/ (2 files): 1.19wmf: MFT r113167 - r113379
[19:06:21] 	 14(WFM) Provide a way to invoke the Parser from within a PHPUnit test - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/15966  +comment (10Max Semenik)
[19:08:33] 	 SimenOlai: err... where is mediawiki installed?
[19:08:46] 	 SimenOlai: also, say my name when you reply to me...
[19:13:16] 	 03(FIXED) Images not rendered correctly - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34718  +comment (10Andre Koopal)
[19:14:13] 	 SimenOlai
[19:20:03] 	 New code comment: MaxSem; Looks like it causes bug 35019: Edit summary shouldn't be parsed as wikitext into html in e-mail not; 
[19:20:24] 	 03(mod) [Regression] Edit summary shouldn't be parsed as wikitext into html in e-mail notifications - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35019  +comment (10Max Semenik)
[19:22:15] 	 03jeroendedauw *  10/trunk/extensions/EducationProgram/ (2 files in 2 dirs): http://education.wmflabs.org/index.php/Thread:MW_1.18_talk:Community_portal/My_Courses
[19:22:33] * jeremyb  heads off for a bit
[19:24:00] 	 ugh, so much bad advice: """RewriteRule ^wiki/(.*:.*)$  wiki/index.php?title=$1 [L]""" @ [[Manual:Short URL/Apache Rewrite rules]]
[19:24:45] 	 03(mod) ipad apps - mobile article doesn't fit if webview width < 768 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31214  +comment (10richard1)
[19:25:14] 	 03emsmith *  10/trunk/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5/sql/alter.sql: bug 34090 - not entirely necessary, but keeps $2 from showing up in hiders panels in production on old data
[19:28:37] 	 03emsmith *  10/trunk/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5/modules/jquery.articleFeedbackv5/jquery.articleFeedbackv5.special.js: bug 34090 - fix for double red line issues when hiding an oversighted post happens
[19:29:04] 	 03(mod) Phonegap app settings dialog: checkbox, dropdown should trigger when tapping anywhere in the list item - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/32244  +comment (10yuvipanda)
[19:30:35] 	 03robin *  10/trunk/phase3/ (includes/parser/Parser.php languages/Language.php): (log message trimmed)
[19:30:35] 	 Follow-up r112479
[19:30:35] 	 * Add @since, fix indentation.
[19:30:35] 	 * Change default from 'all' to 'mw' as it's the most used (so default fetchLanguageNames() is equivalent to default getLanguageNames()).
[19:30:36] 	 * Add the include parameter also to fetchLanguageName() as it's needed in
[19:30:37] 	 Parser: interlanguage links should only take into account mediawiki names.
[19:30:38] 	 (Doesn't make a difference with how the functions are now, but could have been
[19:33:03] 	 New code comment: SPQRobin; Thought I added @since.. \ Done in r113385. Are there other indentation issues?; 
[19:35:54] 	 03tparscal *  10/trunk/extensions/VisualEditor/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Added more tests for ve.dm.DocumentSynchronizer and fixed some bugs along the way
[19:36:10] 	 Spammers :P
[19:37:16] 	 03tparscal *  10/trunk/extensions/VisualEditor/tests/ve/ve.dm.DocumentSynchronizer.test.js: Fixed name of test suite to match actual class name
[19:38:03] 	 New code comment: MaxSem; Causes bug 32827: Block log for IP ranges not shown on Special:Block.; 
[19:38:42] 	 03(mod) [Regression] Block log for IP ranges not shown on Special:Block - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/32827  +comment (10Max Semenik)
[19:39:53] 	 By some reasons I am banned in #wikipedia-no o.o
[19:42:26] 	 03jeroendedauw *  10/trunk/extensions/EducationProgram/EducationProgram.php: http://education.wmflabs.org/wiki/Thread:MW_1.18_talk:Community_portal/Changes_to_profiles_unlogged/reply_(2)
[19:42:58] 	 03aaron *  10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/ (3 files in 3 dirs):
[19:42:58] 	 * Renamed misleading onUserCan fuction to onGetUserPermissionsErrors as it hooks on 'getUserPermissionsErrors'.
[19:42:58] 	 * Cleaned up inconsistent checking of 'edit' permissions to determing 'review' permissions. It is now checked for automatic review checks and not just manual review attempts.
[19:42:58] 	 * (bug 33385) Narrowed down "review right requires edit right" to just checking
[19:42:59] 	 edit restrictions, which better aligns with the original point of the check,
[19:43:00] 	 which is to handle "edit wars" and "review wars". This should work better with
[19:43:01] 	 the Translate extension.
[19:43:12] 	 03(FIXED) Translatable pages and FlaggedRevs don't play nice together - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33385  +comment (10Aaron Schulz)
[19:43:58] 	 ialex: want to look at bug 35014?
[19:44:53] 	 03(mod) [Regression] File deletions leave stuff behind - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35047  +comment (10Aaron Schulz)
[19:44:59] 	 03emsmith *  10/trunk/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5/ (4 files in 2 dirs): bug 34090 - adding translation for "automatic hider" user
[19:45:03] 	 New code comment: MaxSem; Fixmed per [[#c31764]].; 
[19:47:33] 	 hi AaronSchulz have a minute?
[19:47:47] 	 if it's a bug a report can be filed
[19:48:09] 	 AaronSchulz eh the problem is I don't know if it's me or FR
[19:48:13] 	 can I tell you?
[19:48:25] 	 did you post it on mw.org?
[19:48:47] 	 AaronSchulz no, I need ot go live with this and I'm not sure if this is me doing something wrong on setups
[19:49:29] * AaronSchulz  will be off to lunch in 1 min, then debugging some crap latter
[19:49:40] 	 AaronSchulz ok the main problem I have is this: after saving an edit, it sends me to a "No target" page and the review doesn't happen
[19:49:58] 	 instead of sending me back to the page I came from
[19:50:18] 	 this is really a stopper to me :/ can this be something in localsettings?
[19:50:30] 	 what is the wiki content language?
[19:50:33] 	 en
[19:50:42] 	 MW version?
[19:50:48] 	 it's wiki.blender.org, 1.16.2
[19:50:58] 	 I need to wait for 1.19 before upgrading
[19:51:14] 	 but we'd need to use this to start a proper blender manual reviewing process 
[19:51:16] 	 and it's using the REL1_16 flaggedrevs?
[19:51:20] 	 yes
[19:51:32] 	 I've taken that from wikimedia svn tags/
[19:51:37] 	 maybe it's an old bug, though I don't recall it
[19:51:38] 	 03(mod) Log events occasionally not logged - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/12129   +testme; +comment (10Max Semenik)
[19:51:59] 	 if you think you can find some time I can give you acess to the dev wiki and oyu can see by your own
[19:52:09] 	 we're really stuck with this
[19:52:35] 	 the manual has kindof 780 pages and we really need to review properly
[19:52:38] 	 is this for all page edits or just for ones with pending edits awaiting review?
[19:52:56] 	 are non-reviewable pages effected?
[19:52:59] 	 this happens when you click submit on a review
[19:53:03] 	 no
[19:53:07] 	 editing is fine
[19:53:09] 	 I thought it was on edit
[19:53:27] 	 this happens only when you do edit and it gives you the review panel and you submit
[19:53:29] 	 as a reviewer
[19:53:57] 	 I can wait if you're busy, but I'd like to make you try by yourself
[19:54:02] 	 AaronSchulz: http://dpaste.com/713729/ that's the call that sets the wrong title in the ParserOutput that will later set in OutputPage by Article::adjustDisplayTitle()
[19:54:12] 	 like scheduling a test in 1, 2, 3, * days
[19:54:34] 	 maybe it's really trivial and it's me not understanding something  
[19:54:35] * AaronSchulz  goes out for a while
[19:54:39] 	 ok thx
[19:56:25] 	 03raymond *  10/trunk/translatewiki/MediaWiki/mediawiki-defines.txt: r113390: Update keys. 1 to ignore
[19:58:44] 	 03(mod) Blanking a post commits successfully when disallowed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35070  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[19:59:18] 	 New code comment: Raymond;  'articlefeedbackv5-default-user' => 'Article Feedback V5', \ I do not know this extension very well ; 
[20:01:09] 	 jpostlethwaite: hi. alolita recommended talking to you about qUnit testing.
[20:03:21] 	 can you (or anyone else for that matter) help me with adding tests to the Narayam extension? i'm trying to figure out how to process keypress events there.
[20:03:57] 	 03emsmith *  10/trunk/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5/ArticleFeedbackv5.i18n.php: bug 34090 - followup to r113287 - adjusted localization documentation
[20:05:57] 	 03emsmith *  10/trunk/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5/ArticleFeedbackv5.i18n.php: bug 34090 - followup to r113370 - adjusted localization documentation
[20:06:51] 	 03ialex *  10/ (4 files in 4 dirs): * (bug 35014) Fix for r100529: including a special page no longer sets the page's title to the included page
[20:07:14] 	 03(FIXED) Including Special:PendingChanges changes title when there is no item to show - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35014  +comment (10Alexandre Emsenhuber [IAlex])
[20:07:15] 	 03maxsem *  10/trunk/extensions/OpenSearchXml/ApiOpenSearchXml.php: Follow-up r113372: missed one use
[20:07:27] 	 03(mod) Monobook user edit buttons go first - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35068  +comment (10juandevojnikov)
[20:13:19] 	 03(mod) Upgrade to 1.19 on Postgres fails due to incomplete query when trying to defer foreign key for externallinks - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33689  +comment (10Marcin Cieślak)
[20:13:45] 	 03raymond *  10/trunk/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5/ArticleFeedbackv5.i18n.php: r113392: Fix syntax error
[20:15:21] 	 03(ASSIGNED) SQL Injection into search form - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35043  +comment (10Marcin Cieślak)
[20:15:41] 	 03(mod) SQL Injection into search form - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35043  (10Marcin Cieślak)
[20:16:46] 	 03(mod) SQL Injection into search form - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35043  (10Marcin Cieślak)
[20:16:48] 	 03(mod) PostgreSQL/pgsql support (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/384  (10Marcin Cieślak)
[20:17:34] 	 03(mod) upload.wikimedia.org still using old 404 error page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35053  +comment (10mah)
[20:22:19] 	 why does SimenOlai never respond to me...? using xchat which surely has /lastlog and hilights on nick by default
[20:22:57] 	 Well, maybe I was on toilet for long time?
[20:23:00] * SimenOlai  is back.
[20:23:11] 	 SimenOlai: you spoke about spammers in the meantime...
[20:23:26] 	 breaks from bathroom?
[20:23:35] 	 uhuh
[20:23:36] 	 bathroombreaks breaks.
[20:23:38] 	 :P
[20:23:52] 	 i guess you don't care about your wiki. so why should i
[20:24:25] 	 I do care!
[20:24:33] 	 jeremyb, Its installed on my webserver.
[20:25:33] 	 jeremyb, External host.
[20:25:48] 	 you're not answering my question
[20:25:58] 	 i asked for a directory listing
[20:26:27] 	 and (in context of directory listing) asked where the wiki is. so where are the *files* on disk?
[20:26:33] 	 anyway, bbl
[20:27:13] 	 yeah, and I asked if you meant the docs folder :P
[20:27:31] 	 Its placed in public_html/
[20:27:55] 	 03yaron *  10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/includes/SF_FormUtils.php: Fix for r103025 - removed apparently-unnecessary "&" for function call
[20:28:23] 	 03(mod) [Regression] File deletions leave stuff behind - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35047  +comment (10krinklemail)
[20:28:35] 	 ialex - hello!
[20:28:57] 	 I'm getting the error message "svn: Unrecognized line ending style" when I do an "svn update" across all the extensions.
[20:29:20] 	 ...and I think it's due to your recent update of the SideBarMenu extension.
[20:30:02] 	 Yaron: I got that earlier
[20:30:09] 	 Removed it and re upadated... and it was fine
[20:30:15] 	 Oh, okay.
[20:30:28] 	 No idea what was is/was up with it
[20:30:48] 	 New code comment: Helder.wiki; I think the default parent shoudn't be the "body", because it breaks the appearence of the skin. Com; 
[20:31:06] 	 Oh - it looks like it's specifically the "/css" folder in SideBarMenu that was causing the problem.
[20:31:13] 	 Removing that one fixed it.
[20:31:36] 	 03(mod) Menu shows duplicate entries some of the time - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35050  +comment (10Yuvi Panda)
[20:32:51] 	 Yaron: just a question, are you on Windows?
[20:33:34] 	 No - I mean, I'm using Windows, but the relevant server with the code runs on Linux.
[20:34:27] 	 Yaron: I mean, the machine were you get the error
[20:34:39] 	 Right - it's Linux.
[20:34:54] 	 Windows is/was fine with it
[20:35:06] 	 I had the issue on linux too
[20:35:32] 	 03raymond *  10/trunk/ (55 files in 32 dirs): Localisation updates for core and extension messages from translatewiki.net
[20:36:06] 	 ialex - specifically, it looks like it's Red Hat, for what it's worth.
[20:36:22] 	 Probably doesn't matter.
[20:38:38] 	 03preilly *  10/trunk/extensions/ZeroRatedMobileAccess/ (ZeroRatedMobileAccess.body.php ZeroRatedMobileAccess.php): move landing page to special page
[20:39:06] 	 I've search on mediawiki.org for a "upload the picture you find in my clipboard". i do understand that this kind of feature would need a flash plugin, an activeX, an applet... does that kind of thing exists? it would be faster to do documentation with screenshots! ;)
[20:39:20] 	 03preilly *  10/branches/wmf/1.19wmf1/extensions/ZeroRatedMobileAccess/ (ZeroRatedMobileAccess.body.php ZeroRatedMobileAccess.php): 1.19wmf: MFT r113399
[20:39:27] 	 03yaron *  10/tags/extensions/SemanticForms/REL_2_4_1/: Tag for version 2.4.1
[20:42:12] 	 Reedy: could you look at https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35032 and say if it is worth 1.18.2
[20:42:57] 	 hexmode: probably isn't worth doing a release alone for it
[20:43:07] 	 But feel free to merge in fixes, and it'll go out when we do it...
[20:43:29] 	 I know there's a couple of other issues pending fixes etc which will warrant a release at somepoint
[20:44:30] 	 03raymond *  10/trunk/tools/ToolserverI18N/language/messages/ (14 files): Localisation updates for Toolserver i18n messages from translatewiki.net
[20:46:24] 	 Reedy: do you have a page saying "these things should be in 1.18.2" or do I just need to figure out what you've already backported?
[20:46:45] 	 I don't have a page, no
[20:46:58] * hexmode  creates a TODO item
[20:47:50] 	 Reedy: but I should just be able to get it from what has been merged since 1.18.1, right?
[20:48:14] 	 yeah
[20:48:19] 	 I don't think I've merged anything
[20:51:49] * hexmode  checks the 1.18 tag
[20:52:52] 	 Reedy: nothing there, could you tag things you think should be merged or send me an email with bugs, revs, whatever that you think should be in the next release?
[20:53:38] 	 The only bugs I know of are the security bugs, where fixes should be backported when appropraite
[20:54:30] 	 k
[20:56:27] 	 03(mod) UploadFromStash is broken in 1.18.1 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35032  +comment (10mah)
[20:56:34] 	 03robin *  10/trunk/phase3/ (15 files in 8 dirs): Update core usage of getLanguageName[s].
[20:57:36] 	 I can't get alphabetized compact TOC to work. Can someone help?
[20:58:11] 	 Also, are there any good WYSIWYG table editors?
[21:02:23] 	 03(mod) Blanking a post commits successfully when disallowed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35070  +comment (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[21:07:18] 	 I need some sort of WYSIWYG table editor. http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:WikiEditor has a toolbar with a table edit button, but I don't have it with mine.
[21:08:38] 	 I'm using monobook, is that why?
[21:09:10] 	 meta:Special:GlobalUsers/Ombudsmen shows users starting at Ombudsmen and in the group Ombudsmen... wait what?
[21:09:13] 	 No, you need to enable the 'dialogs' module
[21:09:24] 	 Probably both in your LocalSettings.php and in your preferences
[21:09:37] 	 Shouldn't it be one or the other? not both?
[21:13:10] 	 03(mod) Log events occasionally not logged - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/12129  +comment (10mattbisanz)
[21:16:18] 	 New code comment: Nikerabbit; If somebody would happen to have "00" or similar as the reason, this would remove it. Not a big issu; 
[21:17:34] 	 What does that mean? I'm looking at jquery.wikiEditor.toolbar.config.js but I don't understand how to activate the Tables toolbar button.
[21:18:50] 	 03jeroendedauw *  10/trunk/extensions/EducationProgram/includes/EPOAPager.php: use simler code thumbs
[21:19:42] 	 dogfarts: In $wgWikiEditorFeatures , 'dialogs' needs to be enabled too
[21:19:48] 	 And there's a separate preference for it in your user preference
[21:19:50] 	 s
[21:20:47] 	 03(FIXED) Spinner doesn't spin on emulator, some devices (animated GIF) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33198  +comment (10Yuvi Panda)
[21:21:05] 	 RoanKattouw: huh, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appendicitis gave me outdated parser cache
[21:21:10] * AaronSchulz  had to purge manually
[21:22:29] 	 03(mod) Special:Categories doesn't show first relevant item when "from" is filled - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/25095  +comment (10Max Semenik)
[21:22:29] 	 Outdated?
[21:22:29] 	 03platonides *  10/trunk/extensions/OpenStackManager/ (3 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed)
[21:22:29] 	 I'm fed up of new labs users having problems on initial login
[21:22:29] 	 because their key was in the wrong format.
[21:22:30] 	 When the key doesn't look to be in the right format:
[21:22:31] 	 a) Try to automatically convert it in the server. Much easier
[21:22:32] 	 than explaining where to find the option in the menu.
[21:22:33] 	 Ryan_Lane, r113405 is for you :)
[21:22:33] 	 b) Reject it in other case, so at least they know upfront that,
[21:22:34] 	 03(mod) mediawiki.action.edit.js always setting legacy function - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35071  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[21:22:47] 	 03awjrichards *  10/branches/wmf/1.19wmf1/includes/WebRequest.php: MFT r112732
[21:22:51] 	 !r113045
[21:22:51] 	 I don't know anything about "r113045".
[21:22:55] 	 -_-
[21:22:59] 	 this bot sucks
[21:23:03] <^demon>	 !r 113045
[21:23:03] 	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/113045
[21:23:05] 	 :)
[21:23:07] 	 "Much easier than explaining where to find the option in the menu" ;)
[21:23:21] 	 I have just written a short list of my git aliases if anyone is interested : https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Git_aliases
[21:23:34] 	 Platonides: why is that one for me?
[21:23:39] 	 oh
[21:23:40] 	 405
[21:23:47] 	 !r 113405
[21:23:48] 	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/113405
[21:24:02] 	 AaronSchulz, that's annoying
[21:24:12] 	 ah. cool
[21:24:18] 	 I had a bug open for this
[21:24:19] 	 and then there are problems like spaces in the copied key
[21:24:27] 	 oh, fine
[21:24:32] <^demon>	 hashar: Move that to subpages of Git/. I'm being OCD about this :)
[21:24:38] 	 now it can be closed
[21:24:50] 	 puttygen? :)
[21:25:12] 	 Ryan_Lane, it's probably in a package called putty
[21:25:19] 	 why not use openssh?
[21:25:23] 	 it's the ssh-keygen equivalent of putty
[21:25:36] 	 ^demon: OCD ?
[21:25:44] 	 ssh-keygen can't read putty key files
[21:25:54] 	 or at least it couldn't last time I tested
[21:25:59] <^demon>	 hashar: [[w:Obsessive–compulsive disorder]]
[21:26:07] 	 new: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Git/aliases
[21:26:13] 	 aren't putty keyfiles rfc4716?
[21:26:20] 	 we still need a way to find out all the subpages for a given page
[21:26:36] <^demon>	 hashar: [[Special:PrefixIndex/Git/]] works :)
[21:26:51] 	 Ryan_Lane, they begin with PuTTY-User-Key-File-2: ssh-rsa ...
[21:26:57] 	 that is really a feature that have been pending for the last 10 years
[21:27:05] 	 I think there's a tool to converet them
[21:27:10] 	 just like [http://foo/]  output as [1]
[21:27:13] 	 I haven't read rfc4716, but I don't think it's what it specifies :)
[21:27:17] 	 heh
[21:27:32] <^demon>	 apergos: You can convert them with ssh-keygen. I've done it before when someone sends me an SSH2 key
[21:27:57] 	 the putty ones? 
[21:27:59] 	 nice
[21:28:22] 	 rfc4716 is ssh2 keys
[21:28:39] <^demon>	 Yeah they're the same thing.
[21:28:56] <^demon>	 ssh2 is 3 less characters to type :)
[21:29:11] 	 damn, puttygen seems to have problems reading rfc4716 keys
[21:29:22] 	 ssh-keygen -i -f 
[21:29:24] 	 that should work
[21:29:25] <^demon>	 Can't you do it with ssh-keygen?
[21:29:25] 	 I turned "dialogs" on, but what does the 'toolbar' array do?
[21:29:26] <^demon>	 Yeah
[21:29:48] 	 it'll read putty keys and rfc4716 keys
[21:29:54] 	 ($wgWikiEditorFeatures)
[21:30:18] 	 damn, my dev box has a shit-ton of uncommitted changes
[21:30:23] 	 I was in the middle of a huge change
[21:30:31] 	 I need to finish that before I can add this
[21:30:45] 	 it's too bad we don't have git! :D
[21:31:09] 	 how do you read putty keys with ssh-keygen?
[21:31:10] <^demon>	 I should add the OpenStack extension to the list we're migrating.
[21:31:18] <^demon>	 I forgot since it's not in make-wmf-branch
[21:31:24] 	 doesn't seem to work for me
[21:31:39] <^demon>	 Platonides: ssh-keygen -i -f  like Ryan said ^
[21:31:52] 	 ^demon, I get uudecode failed.
[21:32:05] <^demon>	 Weird.
[21:32:46] 	 and the -m option to specify what format are you importing from, doesn't list anything that looks like "putty format"
[21:32:50] 	 03(NEW) TypeError: Cannot convert '$.collapsibleTabs.getSettings( $( data.collapsedContainer ).children(data.collapsible+":first" ) )' to object - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35072 minor; MediaWiki: Vector skin; (saibotrash)
[21:33:24] 	 you are trying it with a public putty key, right?
[21:33:46] 	 whoop,s you're right
[21:33:53] 	 I was trying with the private one
[21:33:57] 	 yeah, private ones definitely won't work
[21:34:03] 	 and we should outright reject private keys
[21:34:14] 	 I don't know why they can't
[21:34:38] 	 the docs say it only works with public keys
[21:34:41] 	 private are the public + another blob attached
[21:35:02] 	 we should very much encourage people to never, ever send their private key anywhere :)
[21:35:08] 	 sure
[21:35:11] 	 and putty should be slapped directly in the face for bundling them
[21:35:17] 	 eh? no
[21:35:25] 	 it's evil
[21:35:32] 	 putty allows you to save both private and public 
[21:35:44] 	 the private file contains the public as well
[21:35:50] 	 what's the problem?
[21:35:50] 	 by default it bundles them
[21:35:57] 	 Hi. My question: for a parser extension like  I want pages which use this tag "automagically" be in [[Category:Foo]]. How can I do this ?
[21:36:05] 	 that makes it harder for people to know they are doing something wrong
[21:36:23] 	 meh
[21:36:23] <^demon>	 Wikinaut: Some function in the ParserOutput.
[21:36:30] <^demon>	 !class ParserOutput | Wikinaut
[21:36:30] 	 Wikinaut: See http://svn.wikimedia.org/doc/classParserOutput.html
[21:36:34] 	 ty
[21:36:46] <^demon>	 Add, addCategory(), nice and straightforward :)
[21:36:49] 	 (What the hell is mw-bot>
[21:36:50] <^demon>	 *Ahh
[21:36:51] 	 )
[21:36:55] 	 Platonides: either way, this is a great change. thanks!
[21:36:55] 	 if you're outputting wikitext, the easiest is probably to output a "[[Category:Foo]] " inside it
[21:37:01] <^demon>	 !botnoob | Wikinaut
[21:37:01] 	 Wikinaut: I don't know everything about everything. I am mostly for lazy experienced users to echo quick answers to very common mediawiki questions. Please don't randomly experiment with me for help. Everything I know is at http://toolserver.org/~mwbot/botbrain.html and you can visit #mwbot or privately message me.
[21:37:22] 	 Platonides:  that was clear, but I like addCategory()
[21:37:25] <^demon>	 It's been around for years ;-)
[21:37:29] 	 Ryan_Lane :D
[21:37:42] 	 I love you,  
[21:37:44] 	 I'm going to mark it as fixme, and add a comment that we should switch this to openssh's ssh-keygen
[21:38:18] 	 New code comment: Ryan lane; This is a great change, but let's switch this to use openssh's ssh-keygen.; 
[21:38:18] 	 , a clone of Joseph Weizenbaum's Eliza ?
[21:39:15] 	 03ialex *  10/ (4 files in 4 dirs): * (bug 35019) Fix for rr99942: edit summaries are no longer transformed in notification e-mails
[21:39:24] 	 when I finish my other large changes I'll integrate this in and switch it to use ssh-keygen
[21:39:32] 	 03(FIXED) [Regression] Edit summary shouldn't be parsed as wikitext into html in e-mail notifications - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35019  +comment (10Alexandre Emsenhuber [IAlex])
[21:39:39] 	 03(mod) TypeError: Cannot convert '$.collapsibleTabs.getSettings( $( data.collapsedContainer ).children(data.collapsible+":first" ) )' to object - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35072  +comment (10saibotrash)
[21:39:43] 	 03(WONTFIX) Blanking a post commits successfully when disallowed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35070  +comment (10Andrew Garrett)
[21:40:20] 	 03(mod) Automatically convert uploaded keys from RFC 4251 to openssh format - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33324  +comment (10rlane32)
[21:40:42] 	 hm. do I have the wrong rfc number there?
[21:40:48] 	 New code comment: IAlex; Fixed in r113407.; 
[21:41:01] 	 hah. I do
[21:41:20] 	 03(mod) Automatically convert uploaded keys from RFC 4716 to openssh format - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33324  summary (10Ryan Lane)
[21:41:41] 	 03(mod) Automatically convert uploaded keys from RFC 4716 to openssh format - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33324  +comment (10rlane32)
[21:44:08] 	 03saper *  10/trunk/phase3/includes/db/DatabasePostgres.php: (log message trimmed)
[21:44:08] 	 PostgreSQL: Improve SQL error handling
[21:44:08] 	 After a query error, PostgreSQL transaction is aborted
[21:44:08] 	 until it's terminated or the query is closed.
[21:44:09] 	 All further queries result in:
[21:44:10] 	 ERROR: current transaction is aborted, commands ignored
[21:44:11] 	 until end of transaction block
[21:48:55] 	 03platonides *  10/trunk/extensions/OpenStackManager/ (OpenStackManager.php special/SpecialNovaKey.php):
[21:48:56] 	 Follow-up r113405. Add support for changing ssh key formats
[21:48:56] 	 using ssh-keygen, too.
[21:48:56] 	 there it goes, ssh-keygen support
[21:48:56] 	 Fixes bug 33324: Automatically convert uploaded keys from
[21:48:57] 	 RFC 4251 to openssh format.
[21:49:38] 	 03(FIXED) Automatically convert uploaded keys from RFC 4716 to openssh format - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33324  +comment (10Platonides)
[21:50:20] 	 03(mod) SQL Injection into search form - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35043  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[21:50:48] 	 03(mod) PostgreSQL: SQL Injection into search form - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35043  summary (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[21:53:57] 	 14(DUP) warnings thrown during search using Postgresql - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31006  +comment (10Marcin Cieślak)
[21:54:21] 	 !b 27284
[21:54:22] 	 https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=27284
[21:54:32] 	 hexmode: how can I reproduce ^^
[21:55:42] 	 04(REOPENED) Blanking a post commits successfully when disallowed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35070  +comment (10Rob Schnautz)
[21:57:59] 	 saper: does #35043 help any?
[21:58:27] 	 saper: are you a pg user?  I don't think I knew that! Welcome :)
[21:58:34] 	 hexmode: I am trying to corellate those two
[21:58:58] 	 hexmode: well, I know pg pretty well but never ran MW on this; installed a moment ago to fix those bugs
[21:59:15] 	 awwwww yeah!
[21:59:42] 	 hexmode: no wonder nobody wanted to work on postgresql since error handling was botched (just fixed in r113408)
[22:00:23] 	 ^demon: when I addCategory( array ( 'Foo' => 'Foo' ); the category is shown on the page, where the  is rendered, but the page with that tag is not listed in the category Foo
[22:00:29] 	 hmm,  I wish I hadn't deleted all that spam from my inbox... somebody I know is being an idiot in the comments section of my blog, and happened to leave his email address lying around...
[22:00:36] 	 03(FIXED) Gerrit puppet linter should only lint operation/puppet not PHP projects. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34764  +comment (10Antoine "hashar" Musso)
[22:01:02] 	 03platonides *  10/trunk/extensions/OpenStackManager/special/SpecialNovaKey.php:
[22:01:02] 	 Also support with ssh-keygen the not-to-be-used feature of
[22:01:02] 	 extracting public keys from private PuTTY files, which could
[22:01:02] 	 be done with puttygen backend.
[22:01:03] 	 Follow-up r113409.
[22:01:22] 	 saper: I filed #27284 after I tried importing enwiki's dump to pg.  Got a bunch of errors from doing that.
[22:01:50] 	 saper: since enwiki is so big, you could try simplewiki if you want to try to track some of these down.
[22:02:07] 	 hexmode: yeah were you using mwimport?
[22:02:20] 	 I don't think so
[22:02:29] 	 so how did you do this?
[22:02:32] 	 I was doing it the dumb way
[22:02:46] 	 (simplewiki is probably all-too-English (little special characters) to test)
[22:04:08] 	 saper: maybe.   I used "php maintenance/importDump.php"
[22:04:13] 	 ok
[22:06:14] 	 For a parser extension like  I want pages which use this tag "automagically" be ***listed*** in [[Category:Foo]]. OutputPage::addCategoryLinks( $categories ) is not the solution. it adds the links, but not the page. addCategory() does not exist.
[22:06:42] 	 "is there hope ?"
[22:08:42] 	 03catrope *  10/branches/wmf/1.19wmf1/includes/ (Cdb.php MagicWord.php): 1.19wmf1: MFT r105964, r106137
[22:08:48] 	 New code comment: George Orwell III; A lot of people on en.wikisource were wondering how to use the ms-content-ltr container to replace a; 
[22:09:55] 	 how long does it take quips to be approved?
[22:10:24] 	 pokeswap: the bugzilla ones ?
[22:10:43] 	 yes
[22:11:07] 	 i do not think anyone receive a notification when a new quip is submitted
[22:11:07] 	 how long?
[22:11:09] 	 so time is random
[22:11:15] 	 I will validate it :)
[22:11:23] 	 you can?
[22:11:31] 	 i just added this quip:
[22:11:41] 	 ^bot up (spyingbot) why (pokeswap ^bot up (spyingbot) no (pokeswap) ^bot up (spyingbot) ^BOTTED UP'
[22:11:50] 	 03(mod) Blanking a post commits successfully when disallowed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35070  +comment (10Jeroen De Dauw)
[22:12:00] 	 well it is barely readable :)
[22:12:22] 	 it s suppost to be a bot malfunction.
[22:12:50] 	 I have approved it nonetheless
[22:13:06] 	 going to sleep for now.  Have fun everyone :)
[22:16:15] 	  if so can you see about my other quips?
[22:18:59] 	 !me]
[22:19:00] 	 I don't know anything about "me]". You might try: !interwiki 
[22:19:04] 	 !me
[22:19:04] 	 I don't know anything about "me". You might try: !! !adminsettings !centralauth !displaytitle !foreignfilerepos !gc !hosting !installmacosx !morbo !ogg !rewriteproblems !robots !search !smtp !svnprops !threads !tooquiet !translatewiki !webrequest !wiki2xml 
[22:19:34] 	 it should be  I don't know anything about myself. You might try:...
[22:20:40] 	 Why is it that when a user copies a block of text from a text editor into mediawiki, it doesn't carry over the formatting?
[22:20:45] 	 is there a place to fill out a forum if i want to becoma a "quip admin"?
[22:21:25] 	 *become a
[22:21:38] 	 No
[22:22:04] 	 how do people become "quip admin" than?
[22:22:29] 	 how?
[22:23:32] 	 You don't
[22:24:07] 	 Ashex, the text editor has support for formatting. The browser does not.
[22:24:16] 	 if people are quip admin, how did they get to be quip admin
[22:24:27] 	 by being a bugzilla admin
[22:24:38] 	 Krenair: notepad++?
[22:24:47] 	 how are people bugzila admin?
[22:24:55] 	 Ashex, what formatting are we talking about specifically?
[22:25:11] 	 Krenair: the wiki markup
[22:25:24] 	 Umm... That should carry over seeing as it's just test
[22:25:26] 	 text*
[22:25:34] 	 I write up a page in notepad, then copy it over to the editor on the wiki. I hit save and I end up with a big block of text
[22:27:50] 	 So, I was going to show you an example by sticking the page on my talk page in mediawiki
[22:27:58] 	 But once I hit save it showed up perfectly.
[22:28:26] 	 how are people bugzila admin?
[22:29:03] 	 I am using the Expiremental WikiEditor, but it appears as though MediaWiki is too
[22:29:28] 	 Ashex: You have to configure it to disable the modules that are broken
[22:29:35] 	 Only toolbar and dialogs are used on Wikipedia
[22:29:47] 	 Pretty much all the other ones are broken
[22:30:34] 	 RoanKattouw: I see, is there some info on which modules I should remove?
[22:31:07] 	 03aaron *  10/trunk/phase3/ (3 files in 2 dirs):
[22:31:07] 	 [FileBackend] Made doOperations() Status handling align with documentation as
[22:31:07] 	 well as what FileRepo is essentially expecting when using the 'force' option (it
[22:31:08] 	 assumes fatals are for total batch failures, not just partial ones). The
[22:31:09] 	 relevant documentation was also improved.
[22:32:52] 	 Ashex: I just told you, all of them except toolbar and dialogs
[22:32:59] 	 Ah, okay
[22:33:06] 	 Disable them in $wgWikiEditorFeatures
[22:34:30] 	 03aaron *  10/branches/wmf/1.19wmf1/ (5 files in 4 dirs): MFT r113412
[22:37:40] 	 03aaron *  10/branches/wmf/1.19wmf1/ (. includes/ includes/filerepo/backend/FileOp.php): MFT r113195
[22:38:35] 	 RoanKattouw: Thanks. I went into the extension and commented out the offending lines
[22:40:03] 	 That's not really the best way to do it..
[22:40:27] 	 Reedy: I'll agree with you on that
[22:43:40] 	 Reedy: Did it the right way :)
[22:45:48] 	 03(mod) File stuck in half-deleted state on English Wikipedia, cannot be deleted - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35054  +comment (10aschulz4587)
[22:51:43] 	 03maxsem *  10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES-1.19 includes/specials/SpecialCategories.php): (bug 25095) Special:Categories doesn't show first relevant item when "from" is filled
[22:51:45] 	 03aaron *  10/trunk/phase3/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Added backend-fail-maxsize failure message and use it instead of the vague "could not store" type message.
[22:51:47] 	 RoanKattouw: ^ :)
[22:51:56] 	 03(mod) Dialog has no style applied and therefore is transparent (jQuery.UI) for RTL languages and monobook - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35059  +comment (10Rainer@Rillke.eu)
[22:51:57] 	 yay
[22:52:42] 	 03(FIXED) Special:Categories doesn't show first relevant item when "from" is filled - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/25095  +comment (10Max Semenik)
[22:53:00] 	 RoanKattouw: maybe all the errors should say "operation failed, use strace to debug"
[22:53:07] 	 hehe
[22:53:25] 	 how are people bugzila admin?
[22:53:33] 	 how can i become it^
[22:53:43] 	 is my "bot" allowed?
[22:54:23] * Dantman  brings up the old rule, "If you have to ask, the answer is no."
[22:56:04] * pokeswap  wonders if his "bot" is allowed and awaits to find out
[22:56:05] 	 Looks like the Extension Distributor is broken
[22:56:14] 	 Getting this when trying to download a trunk snapshot: svn: Working copy '/mnt/upload6/private/ExtensionDistributor/mw-snapshot/trunk/extensions' locked
[22:56:23] 	 it breaks itself
[22:56:29] 	 it will also fix itself at somepoint
[22:56:40] 	 Interesting, I'll be patient
[22:57:03] 	 Eventually our extension repos will be git repos
[22:57:09] 	 I wouldn't reccommend sitting around waiting for it though
[22:57:11] 	 is it allowed?
[22:57:25] 	 !git
[22:57:25] 	 MediaWiki development is going to use git, a distributed source control manager, starting in the spring of 2012; details: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Git_happens
[22:57:30] 	 Well, I only want to update the WikiEdtior, so no biggie
[22:58:22] 	 At that point someone will probably smartly deduce that instead of trying to do a remote fetch each time, ED can just rsync on cron every hour and distribute extensions from local repo clones
[22:59:07] 	 Ashex: ;) easiest thing to do is just use svn (and later git)
[22:59:29] 	 will ther still be svn?
[22:59:43] 	 I'm aware :) I just don't feel like installing svn on this server.
[22:59:49] 	 I need to setup my linux desktop soon-ish
[23:00:18] 	 New code comment: Aaron Schulz; Should fix bug 35054.; 
[23:00:21] 	 will ther still be sv after git?
[23:00:34] 	 *svn
[23:00:59] 	 I imagine there will be a period where svn will be online but read-only
[23:01:09] 	 03(NEW) Please add jStorage as a RL module - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35073 enhancement; MediaWiki: Resource Loader; (rainerrillke)
[23:01:11] 	 Yes, we don't have the authority to stop people from using SVN
[23:01:17] * Ashex  is making wild guesses, he is not involved with mediawiki in any way
[23:01:44] 	 03awjrichards *  10/branches/wmf/1.19wmf1/extensions/MobileFrontend/: Removing MobileFrontend in preparation for full sync from trunk
[23:02:21] 	 is my "bot" allowed. it is called spyingbot
[23:02:28] 	 03awjrichards *  10/branches/wmf/1.19wmf1/extensions/MobileFrontend/: Sync'ing MobileFrontend from trunk
[23:02:57] 	 is my "bot" allowed. it is called spyingbot
[23:03:08] 	 *sorry for doing it twice
[23:03:22] 	 03(mod) Please add jStorage as a RL module - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35073  +comment (10sam)
[23:03:28] 	 codurr came twice with the same person
[23:03:34] 	 is it, though?
[23:04:35] 	 pokeswap: no
[23:04:40] 	 why not?
[23:05:01] 	 ExtensionDistributor is actually a bit broken
[23:05:19] 	 for a start it's still running on 1.18
[23:05:26] 	 why is "bot" not allowed?
[23:05:37] 	 sorry for it coming for a second.
[23:06:05] 	 why?
[23:07:34] 	 Does anyone know how to set up a filter that removes all of the user rights of a user when they edit a certain page?
[23:07:48] 	 why?
[23:08:01] 	 thetechexpert: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Preventing_access#Restrict_editing_of_certain_specific_pages
[23:08:32] 	 WHY IS SPYINGBOT NOT ALLOWED TO GO TO CHANNEL?
[23:08:45] 	 What benefit does it have being here?
[23:08:56] 	 no,no like if a user edits a certain page the abuse filter will remove all their rights
[23:09:20] 	 just wondering if allowed.
[23:09:49] 	 it sometimes responds to commands begining with ^
[23:10:13] 	 right now it is on ###mediawiki### and #USEagency
[23:11:35] 	 Does anyone know how to make the abuse filter do that?
[23:11:48] 	 New code comment: Aaron Schulz; This sure requires a lot more code.; 
[23:11:51] 	 pokeswap: what is it?
[23:12:00] 	 thetechexpert: that is possible, but not on english wikipedia
[23:12:12] 	 there is an action that exists in abusefilter, but I think it's disabled by default
[23:12:30] 	 How do I enable it?
[23:12:39] 	 I want it for my wiki
[23:13:02] 	 looks like you can just set it up in the filter
[23:13:36] 	 But how do I make it so it is only on a certain page?
[23:13:38] 	 though you'll need this right assigned to your account: $wgGroupPermissions['sysop']['abusefilter-modify-restricted'] = true
[23:14:03] 	 New code comment: Aaron Schulz; Which rev added this?; 
[23:14:10] 	 well you'll need to use the filter description language for that. I don't remember offhand, but it'll be something like action = 'edit' and article_prefixedtext = 'Name of the page'
[23:18:33] 	 it is a "bot" that responds sometime to ^commands
[23:18:55] 	 That doesn't sound reliable
[23:19:20] 	 why not?
[23:19:29] 	 it rarley does anything
[23:19:32] 	 03(mod) Please add jStorage as a RL module - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35073  +comment (10Daniel Schwen)
[23:20:27] 	 i have to leave for now and probaly the night, so by and memoserv message me when bot is allowed
[23:20:33] 	 pokeswap: it's some "spyingbot"
[23:20:40] 	 look at #useagency
[23:20:52] 	 topic includes a link to this misconfigured mediawiki instance: http://spyinginc.com/wiki/
[23:20:56] 	 03(mod) Please add jStorage as a RL module - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35073  +comment (10sam)
[23:21:00] 	 I'm going to assume it's some logging bot or something
[23:21:14] 	 ahem, that was addressed to Reedy 
[23:21:17] 	 no, it justdes that ^ thing
[23:21:22] 	 03catrope *  10/trunk/extensions/VisualEditor/modules/ve/ve.js:
[23:21:22] 	 Factor the batched splice code out from ve.insertIntoArray() into a
[23:21:22] 	 separate function
[23:21:22] 	 03catrope *  10/trunk/extensions/VisualEditor/modules/ve/dm/ve.dm.TransactionProcessor.js: Implement the replace operation for the linear model
[23:21:23] 	 03catrope *  10/trunk/extensions/VisualEditor/modules/ve/dm/nodes/ve.dm.DocumentNode.js: Add a very simple transaction builder for content replacements
[23:21:24] 	 03catrope *  10/trunk/extensions/VisualEditor/modules/ve/dm/ (ve.dm.Transaction.js ve.dm.TransactionProcessor.js): Add replace operation
[23:21:25] 	 03catrope *  10/trunk/extensions/VisualEditor/tests/ve/ve.dm.TransactionProcessor.test.js: Add tests for content replacements
[23:21:26] 	 03catrope *  10/trunk/extensions/VisualEditor/modules/ve/dm/nodes/ve.dm.DocumentNode.js: Add documentation for to-be-written prepareWrap function
[23:21:28] 	 03catrope *  10/trunk/extensions/VisualEditor/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Implement prepareWrap and add tests for it
[23:21:30] 	 well why would we want it then?
[23:21:30] 	 03catrope *  10/trunk/extensions/VisualEditor/modules/ve/dm/ve.dm.TransactionProcessor.js: Fix cursor adjustment in replace()
[23:21:42] * RoanKattouw  apologizes for git svn dcommit spam
[23:21:44] 	 pokeswap: if there isn't a benefit to "us" with it being here, it shouldn't be here
[23:21:52] * ^demon|away  whacks Roan for using git-svn at all.
[23:21:57] * ^demon|away  whacks him again, for good measure
[23:22:00] 	 hehe
[23:22:10] * werdna  slaps RoanKattouw 
[23:22:18] * Reedy  beats RoanKattouw
[23:22:35] * RoanKattouw  feels pain
[23:22:39] <^demon|away>	 When did this turn into a beat-down?
[23:22:53] 	 i just want it on a channel with s lot of people and it might help people like i might be able to set some mediawiki stuff
[23:23:11] 	 it might help people how?
[23:23:21] 	 ^demon|away: when RoanKattouw started using git-svn
[23:23:23] 	 we hate git, right?
[23:23:24] 	 oh, shit
[23:23:28] * pokeswap  throws away gun from beat down
[23:23:31] <^demon|away>	 pokeswap: I don't see the benefit. If we need more commands we just add them to mw-bot.
[23:23:37] <^demon|away>	 werdna: No, just git-svn.
[23:23:37] 	 We already have mw-bot for memory recall
[23:23:40] 	 i just want it here
[23:23:49] <^demon|away>	 And I want a pony.
[23:23:55] 	 right, so it can log the channel or something. I wouldn't bother, it's already logged
[23:24:04] * AaronSchulz  wants a unicorn
[23:24:14] 	 IT DOES NOT DO LOGGING
[23:24:17] 	 here you go mate, just download them from here
[23:24:17] 	 http://toolserver.org/~mwbot/
[23:24:23] 	 OH NOES
[23:24:40] 	 WHY DID YOU BECOME COOL!?
[23:24:47] 	 That reminds me...
[23:24:48] * Reedy  points AaronSchulz to labs
[23:24:53] <^demon|away>	 pokeswap: Then what does it do that mw-bot, codurr and the logging bot don't already do?
[23:24:53] 	 mwbots logs got messed uo
[23:24:58] 	 all the old ones are gone
[23:25:08] 	 these ones are my favourite: http://toolserver.org/~mwbot/logs/pokeswap/
[23:25:13] 	 nothing i just  want it here
[23:25:18] 	 New code comment: Platonides; Was done in r113409; 
[23:25:24] 	 [00:45:09] 	!reedy
[23:25:24] 	 [00:45:09] --mw-bot--	I don't know anything about "reedy". You might try: !mssql !sequel 
[23:25:27] 	 :))
[23:25:30] <^demon|away>	 pokeswap: Well you're going to have to come up with a better reason than that.
[23:25:35] 	 "sequel"?
[23:25:39] <^demon|away>	 Unless it helps the community or does something useful, it's a waste.
[23:25:48] <^demon|away>	 !sequel | AaronSchulz
[23:25:48] 	 AaronSchulz: Reedy likes it when you say SQL as Sequel :D
[23:26:01] 	 why is the bot logging spyserver?
[23:26:03] 	 Reedy: he's doing some in depth spy research on you
[23:26:27] 	 and why is it logging me!!!
[23:26:29] 	 pokeswap: because somebody with that nick IM'd it
[23:26:44] 	 !mssql
[23:26:44] 	 Reedy
[23:26:48] 	 03(FIXED) File stuck in half-deleted state on English Wikipedia, cannot be deleted - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35054  (10Aaron Schulz)
[23:26:48] 	 lol
[23:26:58] 	 pokeswap: it's after you
[23:27:12] <^demon|away>	 Actually mw-bot is a plant from the NSA to eavesdrop on everyone's conversations ;-)
[23:27:14] <^demon|away>	 The jig is up!
[23:27:31] 	 our log bot is spying on your log bot
[23:27:56] 	 i already have NSA people teeeling me stuff
[23:28:03] 	 IT DOES NOT DO LOGGING
[23:28:05] 	 IT DOES NOT DO LOGGING
[23:28:06] 	 IT DOES NOT DO LOGGING
[23:28:13] <^demon|away>	 OK
[23:28:14] <^demon|away>	 OK
[23:28:15] <^demon|away>	 OK
[23:28:23] 	 seriously...
[23:28:54] 	 yay
[23:28:59] 	 So, this is the Earth
[23:29:07] <^demon|away>	 werdna: Can +o see people who are +q?
[23:29:14] 	 no
[23:29:22] 	 look, pokeswap, here's the bottom line
[23:29:37] 	 it's not going to be allowed in here if you can't show a benefit to us
[23:29:46] 	 Does anyone know how to make an Abuse Filter apply to one page?
[23:29:47] 	 i am off that
[23:29:55] 	 if it's so you can build your empire by having the bot in here, that's not happening.
[23:30:11] 	 i just wantto know why bot logged me on 2/12
[23:30:11] 	 if it doesn't speak in this channel, then we don't care
[23:30:17] 	 pokeswap: because you PM'd it!
[23:30:21] 	 it logs PMs to it
[23:30:24] 	 03(mod) Huge amount of debug spew during page save/load in app - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34989  +comment (10Yuvi Panda)
[23:30:29] 	 thetechexpert:  well you'll need to use the filter description language for that. I don't remember offhand, but it'll be something like action = 'edit' and article_prefixedtext = 'Name of the page'
[23:30:34] 	 that's the one
[23:30:48] 	 mw-bot logs everything
[23:30:49] 	 That won't work
[23:31:00] <^demon|away>	 Reedy: Well except when it's broken :)
[23:31:01] 	 s/and/&/
[23:31:01] 	 why not?
[23:31:11] 	 werdna: "Huge amount of debug spew" makes me giggle...I am a terrible person indeed
[23:31:20] 	 AaronSchulz: context?
[23:31:21] 	 i can make the bot sound stupid
[23:31:31] 	 ...you don't need the bot for that
[23:31:32] 	 It says this: 
[23:31:34] 	 There is a syntax error in the filter you specified.
[23:31:36] 	 The output from the parser was:
[23:31:37] 	 Unexpected "T_ID" at character 15.
[23:31:40] <^demon|away>	 Dantman: lol.
[23:31:43] 	 thetechexpert:  I created many single-page filtrs on it.wiki and it works quite well
[23:31:46] 	 ah, sorry, use & rather than and
[23:32:09] 	 when will log be updated i just
[23:32:11] 	 werdna: bug 34989 keep popping up from wikibugs
[23:32:11] 	 !school
[23:32:11] 	 I don't know anything about "school".
[23:32:16] 	 in pm
[23:32:16] 	 thanks
[23:32:25] 	 AaronSchulz: oh, I tune out wikibugs
[23:33:16] 	 pokeswap: mw-bot dropped out of education
[23:34:08] 	 !that-dead-body
[23:34:08] 	 I don't know anything about "that-dead-body".
[23:34:09] 	 etc
[23:34:34] * Reedy  glares at werdna
[23:34:42] 	 I told you not to talk about that
[23:34:46] 	 :D
[23:34:53] 	 I knew nooothiiing
[23:35:14] <^demon|away>	 Were we supposed to take care of that body during 20% time?
[23:35:23] 	 Which 20% time?
[23:36:02] 	 nobody does 20% time, so there we go
[23:36:06] 	 pokeswap doesn't know anything about school either
[23:36:53] * ^demon  almost does a spit-take.
[23:37:10] 	 he told me he's not in school but his wikia profile says he likes "winx club" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winx_Club
[23:37:46] 	 so he can't be old enough to have graduated, so I figure he must have dropped out or something
[23:38:10] <^demon>	 "The series is aimed toward children between the ages of five and twelve, but is also popular among teens."
[23:39:04] 	 aaanyway
[23:39:13] <^demon>	 "The story follows Bloom and her friends Stella, Flora, Tecna, Musa, Layla (Aisha), and is situated mainly in the Magical Dimension and on Earth. They call themselves 'The Winx Club' and go on countless adventures together. Throughout the story, they discover new transformations, unlock secrets and powers, battle against the darkness and support Bloom as she tries to discover her past."
[23:39:17] * ^demon  throws up
[23:39:21] 	 03jeroendedauw *  10/trunk/extensions/EducationProgram/ (8 files in 4 dirs): added option to hide ambassador profile
[23:40:46] 	 does anyone know what could be causing this error: http://education.wmflabs.org/wiki/Special:Log?
[23:40:55] <^demon>	 Also, [[Spit-take]] is an awful article. Those examples aren't very good :(
[23:41:09] 	 I have a friend or two who is really into My Little Pony
[23:41:13] 	 apparently that's a thing
[23:41:14] 	 ^demon: oi, no puking on the ground... thats a paddaling
[23:41:27] 	 werdna: don't pick on the bronies, just because they are special...
[23:41:29] <^demon>	 Thehelpfulone: An invalid message parameter? ;-)
[23:41:31] 	 ^demon: lol
[23:42:02] <^demon>	 "Hey, did you hear that laundry detergent can cause fatal psoriasis?"
[23:42:05] <^demon>	 Who says that?
[23:42:18] 	 New code comment: Aaron Schulz; 
 \ + $dbr = wfGetDB( DB_SLAVE ); \ + $this->conds[] = 'cat_title >= ' . $dbr->addQuotes( $from ); \ <; 
[23:42:39] 	 Does anyone know a good anti vandal conditions for an abuse filter?
[23:43:01] 	 I wonder if Krony is a Brony
[23:43:11] * Dantman  contemplates very minimal calc() support within ResourceLoader css extensions
[23:43:36] 	 thetechexpert: there are a bunch of examples at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:AbuseFilter
[23:43:58] 	 ^demon: I wouldn't have thought about that, thanks ;)
[23:44:07] 	 ie: Any case where the math within calc() is a static calculation where all the units match and it's possible to pre-calculate them, the extension system will go ahead and do the calculation.
[23:44:33] 	 But all of the good ones are private
[23:44:34] 	 werdna: I've been trying to persuade Reedy to have a look at your abusefilter respects rev delete patch but he's been hiding so far
[23:44:45] <^demon>	 Dantman: Don't forget to add this idea to your big list of things you've mentioned you're doing ;-)
[23:44:58] 	 eg: width: calc(100%+1px) will be left alone, but width: calc(500px+25px); would become width: 525px;
[23:45:17] 	 ^demon: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/ResourceLoader_CSS_Extensions
[23:45:24] 	 I would hide if I were him
[23:45:35] 	 heh
[23:45:39] 	 Thehelpfulone: but ^demon isn't hiding *runs*
[23:45:44] 	 Dantman: Practical use?
[23:45:45] 	 very true
[23:46:03] 	 New code comment: MaxSem; Why? :); 
[23:46:13] 	 03(mod) Please add jStorage as a RL module - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35073  +comment (10daniel)
[23:46:24] <^demon>	 Oh look at the time.
[23:46:26] 	 ^demon: can you have a look at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111217, bugfix for https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=28633 :D
[23:46:27] <^demon>	 I think I need to have dinner.
[23:46:39] 	 [23:46:36]	===	CTCP time reply “2012-03-08 23:46:34 +0000” from ^demon
[23:46:40] 	 LIES!
[23:46:58] <^demon>	 Heh, subtract 5 timezones.
[23:47:07] 	 Krinkle: It comes up sometimes. Say you want border-box sizing but don't need it, so you go and write width: 499px; when in reality you are actually conceptually thinking width: calc(500px-1px); /* -1px since the boder is 1px */
[23:47:19] 	 Not the best example
[23:48:34] 	 03(mod) Please add jStorage as a RL module - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35073  +comment (10krinklemail)
[23:52:10] 	 Can I submit a patch to Bugzilla from Git? My repository's origin is the phase3 mirror on GitHub.
[23:52:43] 	 ^demon: the error message in apache is [Thu Mar 08 23:51:03 2012] [error] [client IPgoeshere] File does not exist: /var/www/favicon.ico
[23:53:02] 	 I believe it's because things were moved from /var/www to srv/w/
[23:53:23] 	 but I'm not quite sure where I need to fix that link
[23:53:26] <^demon>	 I don't think a missing favicon would cause a MediaWiki exception.
[23:53:57] 	 there was another message: [Thu Mar 08 23:51:02 2012] [error] [client anotherIP] script '/var/www/index.php' not found or unable to stat
[23:54:31] 	 that sounds more likely a culprit?
[23:54:32] 	 03awjrichards *  10/trunk/extensions/MobileFrontend/templates/ApplicationTemplate.php: Updating version # for js/css
[23:55:07] <^demon>	 Thehelpfulone: If it couldn't find the index.php, mediawiki wouldn't even load, not load and then cause an exception.
[23:55:15] 	 03(WONTFIX) Add jStorage as ResourceLoader module to MediaWiki core - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35073  summary; +comment (10Krinkle)
[23:55:53] 	 03foxtrott *  10/trunk/extensions/SemanticResultFormats/Filtered/ (3 files in 3 dirs): sliding for value filter
[23:56:03] 	 03awjrichards *  10/branches/wmf/1.19wmf1/extensions/MobileFrontend/templates/ApplicationTemplate.php: MFT r113428
[23:57:04] 	 New code comment: ^demon; Wouldn't it make a whole lot more sense to define this variable in one place and reuse it like we us; 
[23:57:48] 	 hmm