[00:07:39] 03(mod) Can't authenticate using my mother language username (UNICODE) when I only have (a public) access to Wikipedia with an ASCII (english) keyboard - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34590 +comment (10nicolas.brouard) [00:18:06] sumanah: fyi nick changed :) [00:22:17] 03(mod) $wgSharedDB PostgreSQL support - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/16794 +comment (10mediawiki-bugs) [00:28:41] 03(mod) Expand brokens show bad labels on non-western alphabets (htmlentities) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35086 +comment (10aokomoriuta) [00:30:30] Anyone around that's familiar with CentralAuth? [00:31:30] 03(mod) Enable Extension:Sudo on WMF cluster - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35104 +comment (10Daniel Friesen) [00:31:37] 03catrope * 10/trunk/extensions/VisualEditor/ (5 files in 4 dirs): [00:31:37] Fix some usages of splice.apply in the data model to use [00:31:37] ve.batchedSplice(). Added FIXME comments for occurrences outside of DM [00:31:39] Krenair: What's up? [00:31:45] Hi Lydia_WMDE :-) [00:31:47] * sumanah has to go [00:31:50] 03(mod) Enable Extension:Sudo on WMF cluster - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35104 +comment (10mediawiki-bugs) [00:31:56] 03bsitu * 10/trunk/phase3/includes/WebRequest.php: followup to -r113545 - add null for missing $default param [00:32:25] RoanKattouw, I was trying to set up CentralAuth on a test wiki (localhost), followed the steps but am getting SQL errors [00:32:31] What's the error messagE? [00:32:37] 1146: Table 'mediawiki_test3.user' doesn't exist (localhost) [00:32:38] bsitu: Whoops, sorry about that [00:32:59] Krenair: Do you use table prefixes? Did you install MW in the _test3 database? [00:33:10] RoanKattouw: no problem, :) [00:33:28] oh table prefixes. of course. [00:33:38] Hmmm... (Apple + Frozen Strawberry + Raspberry Jam) in Orange juice... this is pretty good... may need to combine it with some other form of liquid, it's pretty pulpy [00:36:50] 03(NEW) Show/Expand are no longer localized - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35105 critical; Wikipedia App: Localization/Translation/Language; (tfinc) [00:38:38] RoanKattouw, okay so I can't figure out how to show it what my table prefixes are. [00:39:05] Krenair: IIRC the trick is to specify the database name as mediawiki_test3-prefix [00:41:15] Doesn't appear to work... I set it as 'mediawiki_test3-mw' ('mw' is the table prefix) but it still looks for mediawiki_test3.user [00:42:00] Hmm [00:42:01] 03(NEW) Missing article title from clicktracking log - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35106 major; MediaWiki extensions: ArticleFeedbackv5; (dtaraborelli) [00:42:08] I honestly have no idea how to set up CentralAuth with table prefixes [00:42:22] I've set up CA before, but only without a prefix [00:42:33] 03(mod) Missing article title from AFT clicktracking log - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35106 summary (10Dario Taraborelli) [00:43:36] saper: looks like I'm gonna have to install Debian Etch to get a usable mw 1.7 system [00:46:21] how do i stop my wiki from looking like (paste on next line) [00:46:36] and does it have anything to do with BOM [00:46:46] RoanKattouw, it looks like that would work for the CentralAuth DB, but not the wiki DBs [00:46:53] (the name-prefix thing) [00:47:53] ... paste [00:47:54] http://pastebin.com/wYfWRM7E [00:47:59] !BOM [00:47:59] The byte-order mark (BOM) is a special character added to files by some text editors, most notably, by Notepad. It is unnecessary and breaks PHP code. You should not use Notepad to edit PHP files. Alternatives for Windows include Notepad++, SciTE, EditPlus, and UltraEdit. See also !?> [00:48:21] pokeswap: You mean there's no styling applied whatsoever? [00:49:00] if that is what the page is (copyed it from wiki directly) [00:49:06] pokeswap: A text-only paste doesn't help much in figuring out what a page visually looks like [00:49:46] odd, all i had to do is delete extension i downloaded [00:49:51] !fixed [00:49:51] I don't know anything about "fixed". You might try: !templateproblems [00:50:01] 03(mod) Show/Expand are no longer localized - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35105 (10Mark A. Hershberger) [00:50:07] ^I WILL BOT [00:50:11] pokeswap: Also, please don't go using random commands on the bot... the bot is here for the users giving help to direct users asking frequequently asked questions to information. [00:50:37] 03(mod) Missing article title from AFT clicktracking log - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35106 (10Mark A. Hershberger) [00:51:09] i did that one by accident and i do that in PM window [00:51:42] ...I started typing that when you used !BOM [00:53:11] typing !BOM was to see if the issue had anything to do with it, and i noticed later a file did not have *the [00:54:53] hexmode: why? [00:55:15] saper: Probably class Namespace [00:55:33] hexmode: lots of unit tests fail on my system, unlike gerrit :( [00:55:36] saper: b/c I can't get pg 8.2 w/o it [00:55:43] ah [00:55:50] pg 9 is too new? [00:55:59] saper: open bug report for those? And we'll tell you about it [00:56:05] yes pg9 is too new [00:56:10] also pg 8.4 [00:56:31] o, holy [00:56:35] also, Dantman is right, older php would be better -- but that is easy to fix [00:57:03] saper: don't worry, I have a long flight tomorrow ;) [00:57:09] I can still have pg 8.2 on my FreeBD box [00:57:37] *shudders* FreeBSD [00:57:50] :) [00:58:12] Dantman: at least app versions are not bound to the OS version [00:58:12] I like quoting a really old quote from brion when FreeBSD comes up [00:58:34] Well... paraphrase, I can't remember verbatim [00:58:47] saper: I could compile it myself (like on fbsd) but I'm too lazy [00:58:51] packages ftw! [00:58:58] "FreeBSD, different enough from linux to break things, similar enough to not matter" [00:59:54] I can have pg 8.2.2 from ports - too new? [01:01:44] hexmode: Did you have any comments on https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/ResourceLoader_CSS_Extensions ? [01:02:29] Dantman: I didn't look. let me finish this email. Did you ask Trevor? [01:02:51] Trevor commented earlier today [01:02:52] Hmm... Trevor did make a comment [01:03:23] !f5 talks about skipping captcha how is that done on chrome? [01:04:47] Skipping cache? [01:05:20] captcha [01:05:37] !f5 [01:05:38] Bypassing your cache: Mozilla / Firefox / Safari: hold Shift while clicking Reload, or press either Ctrl-F5 or Ctrl-R (Command-R on a Macintosh); Konqueror: click Reload or press F5; Opera: clear the cache in Tools ? Preferences; Internet Explorer: hold Ctrl while clicking Refresh, or press Ctrl-F5. [01:05:44] No, it says cache, not captcha [01:05:48] ooo, sotty misread it [01:05:51] I think Ctrl+F5 works on Chrome [01:06:00] is there a way to do that, though [01:06:10] skip captcha? no [01:06:12] It seemed to work for me in Chromium on Ubuntu [01:06:34] reedy, can you please put that part in !f5 [01:06:39] (about chrome) [01:06:39] hexmode: re tests: hehe $wgLang / $wgContentLang broke them in an obvious way :) [01:07:12] saper: and you didn't file a bug?????!!!! Unacceptable! [01:09:02] hexmode: volunteer to remove dependencies on $wgGlobalVariables from MediaWiki parser tests? :) [01:10:12] where is the actual code for mw-bot i want to make a dictionary bot [01:10:14] saper: no, that isn't necessary, unless you want to. But a bug would be good so someone else can find something to fix easilsy [01:10:38] not that there is an easy fix [01:10:42] hexmode: it's impossible and probably unnecessary to fix [01:11:01] you could start mediawiki phase4 as well :) [01:11:04] saper: but tests BREAK! [01:11:23] Apparently we're calling it [01:11:26] 'core' now [01:11:57] saper: ^demon has a nascent project to manage configuration some way other than global vars [01:13:36] pokeswap: It's on the Toolserver. [01:13:44] I'm not actually clear on the license, as I didn't write it. [01:13:49] It's using some Java framework, though. [01:13:59] And call-response bots are the easiest kind. [01:14:07] Probably simpler for you to write your own. [01:14:15] Petan already wrote one [01:14:21] It runs in most channels except this one [01:14:26] !e [01:14:26] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:`e1 [01:14:31] Yeah this one uses `e1 [01:14:49] Petan's bot uses $1, it runs in -labs , -dev and a bunch of other places [01:15:01] Joan: I asked ami the other day, its under a free license [01:15:13] we are allowed to stick it in svn/git/etc [01:15:28] It was in SVN at some point. [01:15:35] Amidaniel's repo, though. [01:15:46] Joan: It was in his, which yeah, doesn't exist anymore [01:15:54] Alas. [01:17:12] Joan: we are allowed to commit it into ours, whereever, just need to bug someone to do it [01:17:19] check your spam! I just sent my email to wikitech-l. [01:38:46] where is the actual code for mw-bot i want to make a dictionary bot like mw-bot (ie: for !WINX Winx is a show in the magical girls genera like sailor moon) [01:43:21] * Dantman resents the idea that Winx characters are mahou shoujo! [01:43:42] mahou shoujo? [01:44:01] hexmode, I saw your email. If all bugs will default to unconfirmed, how will non-issue bugs (feature requests/enhancements, etc.) be handled? [01:46:09] where is the actual code for mw-bot? i want to make a dictionary bot like mw-bot [01:46:11] where? [01:46:33] pokeswap: It's on the toolserver... it's not publicly available [01:46:42] That was already mentioned earlier on [01:47:02] i must have been disconnected [01:47:18] where would i go if i wanted to ask to view it? [01:49:07] where? [01:49:25] * talueses Buenas noches! [01:49:33] ...please don't repeat yoursels [01:50:16] i always ask twice or i do not get an answer [01:51:02] Dantman: I'm a big fan of goal #4 on your CSS RFP [01:51:33] !CSS0RFP [01:51:33] I don't know anything about "css0rfp". [01:52:01] ... pokeswap, what did I say about the bot earlier? [01:52:03] Krenair: Ideally, these non-issue bugs (enhancments) would only be moved to "NEW" when someone committed to implementing them [01:52:23] Krenair: but that seems unlikely [01:52:27] hexmode: ;) What, #5 isn't awesome enough? [01:53:06] Dantman: goal #4 was kind of missing from some of the RL update :P [01:53:22] But yes... that's one of the reasons I scrapped SASS and LESS [01:54:09] you said it is not publicaly accessable, so i am wondering if there is a place where i can ask for it, since it is privitly accessablke [01:55:18] 03(NEW) Marathi language Narayam help link (मदत) to local Marathi Wiki help - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35107 normal; MediaWiki extensions: Narayam; (mahitgar) [01:55:47] Dantman: also, I hadn't heard of SASS, so I wasn't committed to them ;) [01:57:42] 03(mod) Marathi language Narayam help link (मदत) to local Marathi Wiki help - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35107 (10Mahitgar) [01:58:47] pokeswap: You can ask for someone that has access to it, But as pointed out earlier, its better to use another bot framework anyway, since mwbot has issues [01:58:49] hexmode: Oh right, that reminds me... I had something relevant not listed there... [01:59:05] (for example when you start it, you wouldn't be on the access list to use it anyway) [01:59:29] who has access to the code? [02:00:03] hexmode: One of the things I was thinking of doing was after parsing something like `@media screen { @include "..."; /* ... */ }` it would convert it to `@include "..." screen; @media screen { /* ... */ }` [02:00:37] pokeswap, you could learn a lot from coding your own bot. [02:00:53] google rfc 1459 [02:01:10] hexmode: ie: It would fix that issue of trying to concatenate things breaking [02:02:48] "concatenate things breaking"? [02:03:19] hexmode: There was a regression when we tried to fix that IE stylesheet bug by conctatenating everything into one stylesheet [02:03:23] ah [02:03:39] yeah, just carefully read your example, and saw what you meant [02:03:41] krenair: i do not know C coding [02:03:45] took me a bit though [02:03:58] pokeswap, you don't need to know C coding [02:04:18] what coding, than? [02:04:19] IRC bots can be written in anything with a socket library and a few basic string functions [02:04:35] socket library? [02:04:43] basic string functions? [02:05:02] bash! [02:05:11] nc for sockets! [02:05:23] lol [02:05:26] How do you disable anonymous editing on a mediawiki wiki? [02:06:14] hexmode: I'm the sassmaster. [02:07:03] Hello? Any help here? [02:07:21] !access | Buzzbyte_iPad [02:07:21] Buzzbyte_iPad: For information on customizing user access, see . For common examples of restricting access using both rights and extensions, see . [02:07:34] 03robin * 10/trunk/phase3/includes/api/ApiQuerySiteinfo.php: fix r113403 [02:08:07] Thank! [02:11:58] 03(NEW) Extension:Semantic Forms - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35108 normal; MediaWiki extensions: Extensions requests; (rahuldeshmukh101) [02:13:59] ...is it a terrible idea to have a template in a non-template namespace? [02:14:14] afaik you can do {{:Something}}, right? [02:14:29] Sure... depends on your rationale [02:15:23] it's to be used in a single page, so I called it Thepage/thetemplate and expected to use it as {{:Thepage/thetemplate}} (it would be cool if I could do something like {{:./thetemplate}} though [02:15:38] ...but maybe I should just move it to the template namespace and be done with it [02:16:18] We have subpage syntax... but you shouldn't use it inside the template since subpage syntax is relative to the page being included into, not to the template [02:16:43] not inside the template, no [02:16:53] I mean the page including the template by using subpage syntax [02:19:12] You'll have to turn subpages on in that namespace [02:19:23] However there are a few reasons not to do that [02:19:32] Namely the fact that the template will be considered content. [02:19:48] the main namespace already has subpages enabled and widely used for organization [02:19:58] 03(NEW) Exclude Thai,khamer and Lao scripts from mr-wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35109 normal; MediaWiki extensions: Narayam; (mahitgar) [02:20:01] People using Special:Random and Special:Search can end up on a template page that's not supposed to be considered content [02:20:10] hmm [02:20:17] that's a great point, I didn't think of Random [02:21:08] 03(NEW) DiffHistoryBlobTest::testXdiffAdler32 fails with String is not zero-terminated () - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35110 normal; MediaWiki: Unit tests; (marcin.cieslak) [02:21:39] 03(mod) Exclude Thai,khamer and Lao scripts from mr-wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35109 (10Mahitgar) [02:28:48] 03(NEW) include Marathi alphabates and charecters in Edit tools - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35111 normal; MediaWiki extensions: WikiEditor; (mahitgar) [02:29:50] 03(mod) include Marathi alphabates and charecters in Edit tools - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35111 (10Mahitgar) [02:33:15] 03(mod) include Marathi alphabates and charecters in Edit tools - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35111 +comment (10mahitgar) [02:33:28] ^bot door [02:33:36] *wrong channel [02:33:50] 03(mod) include Marathi alphabates and charecters in Edit tools - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35111 (10Mahitgar) [02:37:36] Anyone around now that knows how to tell CentralAuth about wiki database table name prefixes? [02:41:46] 03(NEW) Special Charecter section in Edit tools virtual keyboard for phonetic and inscript narayam - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35112 normal; MediaWiki extensions: WikiEditor; (mahitgar) [02:43:08] 03(mod) Add a keyboard layout display option to Narayam - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/28900 (10Mahitgar) [02:43:34] 03(mod) Stage source tree on fenari with git instead of svn - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34138 +comment (10sumanah) [02:43:45] 03(mod) Special Charecter section in Edit tools virtual keyboard for phonetic and inscript narayam - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35112 (10Mahitgar) [02:43:49] 03(mod) include Marathi alphabet and characters in edit tools - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35111 +i18n; summary (10Sam Reed (reedy)) [02:43:57] 03(mod) Special Charecter section in Edit tools virtual keyboard for phonetic and inscript narayam - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35112 (10Mahitgar) [02:44:16] 03(mod) Add a keyboard layout display option to Narayam - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/28900 (10Mahitgar) [02:44:45] 03(mod) Special character section in edit tools virtual keyboard for phonetic and inscript narayam - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35112 summary (10Sam Reed (reedy)) [02:46:50] 03(mod) Add a keyboard layout display option to Narayam - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/28900 +comment (10mahitgar) [02:47:01] 03(mod) Enable Semantic Forms on mrwiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35108 normal->15enhancement; +need-review; summary (10Sam Reed (reedy)) [02:47:49] 03(mod) Enable Semantic MediaWiki on WMF projects - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/8390 (10Sam Reed (reedy)) [02:47:49] 03(mod) Setup Semantic MediaWiki on Czech Wikiversity - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/25410 (10Sam Reed (reedy)) [02:48:52] 03(mod) Enable Semantic Forms on mrwiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35108 +comment (10sam) [02:50:06] 03(mod) Exclude Thai,khamer and Lao scripts from mr-wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35109 +i18n (10Sam Reed (reedy)) [02:50:34] 03(mod) Enable Extension:Sudo on WMF cluster - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35104 +need-review (10Sam Reed (reedy)) [02:52:29] 03(NEW) Failure of ParserTests::testParserTest with data set #156 - Interwiki link encoding conversion (bug 1636) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35113 normal; MediaWiki: Parser; (marcin.cieslak) [02:53:01] 03(mod) Enable Extension:Sudo on WMF cluster - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35104 +comment (10sam) [02:54:25] 03(mod) Send Strict-Transport-Security header - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35079 +comment (10sam) [02:55:18] 03(mod) Marathi language Narayam help link (मदत) to local Marathi Wiki help - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35107 normal->15enhancement (10Sam Reed (reedy)) [02:55:19] 03(mod) Special character section in edit tools virtual keyboard for phonetic and inscript narayam - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35112 normal->15enhancement (10Sam Reed (reedy)) [02:55:23] 03(mod) include Marathi alphabet and characters in edit tools - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35111 normal->15enhancement (10Sam Reed (reedy)) [02:58:54] 03(WONTFIX) Enable Extension:Sudo on WMF cluster - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35104 +comment (10MZMcBride) [02:59:15] Can I change the create account/sign in page? If so, how? [03:03:27] 03(NEW) PHPUnit dies with LANG other than C - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35114 normal; MediaWiki: Unit tests; (marcin.cieslak) [03:04:54] 14(INVALID) Marathi language Narayam help link (मदत) to local Marathi Wiki help - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35107 +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy)) [03:08:55] !branchpoints [03:08:55] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Branch_points [03:10:53] 03(mod) Problems installing Version r37495 on MW 1.13.0 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35008 +comment (10sam) [03:11:45] Help would be helpful! :) [03:16:51] 03(mod) Unit tests do not work in all DB languages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/26464 +comment (10marcin.cieslak) [03:18:56] Fracking hell... php's namespace syntax is even worse than I though [03:19:00] Buzzbyte_iPad: sorry [03:19:06] Buzzbyte_iPad: if you don't get help here, try the list [03:19:08] !lists | Buzzbyte_iPad [03:19:09] Buzzbyte_iPad: mediawiki-l and wikitech-l are the primary mailing lists for MediaWiki-related issues. See https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Mailing_lists for details. [03:19:13] good luck [03:19:30] Uhhh... [03:19:38] Thanks? [03:20:13] I knew they used \ for the namespace separator. [03:20:28] Can I change the create account/sign in page? If so, how? [03:20:53] Change it how? [03:22:02] I want to change the link on the sign in page for create an account [03:22:10] But I thought that was ONLY the separator for sub-namespaces... and if you didn't use a sub-namespace it would be sane... [03:22:27] But no... they also used \ for the separator between namespace and classname [03:22:59] So you're stuck with TheNamespace\ClassName [03:26:23] 03(mod) Write git localization import scripts for translatewiki.net - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34137 +comment (10sumanah) [03:31:51] Uhhhh... [03:31:59] Hello??? [03:32:12] Help? [03:32:53] Buzzbyte_iPad: What exactly do you want to change with the URL? [03:33:33] To make it lead to another page instead [03:36:09] You're kind of annoying. [03:43:53] I just need HELP!!!!! [03:44:32] Well, I'm convinced. PHP's namespace functionality is unacceptable. [03:44:42] Any code that uses it shalt be burned!! [03:47:36] updated [03:47:40] !e TEST [03:47:40] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:TEST [04:14:59] 03(mod) Performer's username is shown twice in page move entries on the history - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34961 +comment (10aschulz4587) [04:26:24] Is there a way to split out a file that was uploaded with the same name as another file? [04:27:10] Other than downloading it and re-uploading it? [04:27:16] Probably not. [04:27:34] Check Bugzilla for a bug? [04:30:10] Oh, it's a longstanding weakness of MediaWiki [04:30:16] I'm sure everyone is aware of it. [04:30:30] I just don't know if there's a workaround. [04:30:44] other than downloading and reuploading it. [04:31:17] 04(REOPENED) Support Flash-based upload widget to handle multiple file selection - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/16753 +comment (10MZMcBride) [04:31:21] 03(mod) Add a keyboard layout display option to Narayam - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/28900 (10Santhosh Thottingal) [04:31:23] 03(mod) On Screen Keyboard with Narayam - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/32518 (10Santhosh Thottingal) [04:31:48] With as many images as the WMF has, you'd think this wouldn't be a fundamental issue. The odds of an accidental overwrite are pretty high. [04:31:54] split out? [04:32:02] My solution is to change names randomly. [04:32:25] Dantman: yes, there are two "versions" of the file which are actually different files uploaded with the same name. [04:32:39] badon: Right, but the software warns you. [04:32:45] It says "this name is already taken." [04:32:49] Or you can check if the name is already taken. [04:32:59] Joan: You can't expect joe bloe user to pay attention, haha. [04:33:01] A split out feature would be nice, but isn't this really just user error? [04:33:18] You can also just revert. [04:33:21] And then reupload. [04:33:24] Joan: yeah, it's user error like taking too many sleeping pills - sometimes people don't read the label. [04:33:37] Well, people who take too many sleeping pills often die. [04:33:43] haha, yeah [04:33:53] Thankfully MediaWiki isn't out to get them :) [04:33:57] Life's a bitch if you don't read warnings. [04:34:13] Not yet! [04:34:59] badon: you can roll back an overwrite, download, rollback the rollback. [04:36:10] Amgine: That's what I'll do. Hopefully this gets easier someday. I'm using Semantic Forms which doesn't handle file pages well, and people miss or misunderstand the warnings. [04:36:38] Well, kill them. [04:37:10] There's only one, and if I kill him, there won't be any users left but me! :) [04:37:12] Just kidding. [04:37:20] So was I. [04:37:30] Although, there are days... [04:38:16] I guess what I really want is a way to e-mail a waterballoon at someone. "You have mail! " [04:39:15] There's an app for that. [04:39:27] badon: File a bug? [04:39:28] That's what she said. [04:39:29] Also, [04:39:37] can't you train the one user? [04:39:48] That seems like a rather small issue. [04:39:50] Cattle prods. Useful. [04:39:53] 03(mod) Enable Semantic Forms on mrwiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35108 +comment (10rahuldeshmukh101) [04:39:56] Well, my cat -er, user kind of does what he wants. [04:39:57] Or an e-amil. [04:40:25] e-mail [04:41:39] 03(mod) Enable Semantic Forms on mrwiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35108 +comment (10p858snake) [05:50:03] 03(mod) Performer's username is shown twice in page move entries on the history - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34961 +comment (10MZMcBride) [06:38:09] 03(mod) Enable Special:Import for administrator in Bengali Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34791 +comment (10Tanvir Rahman) [06:39:28] hi aharoni [06:41:11] could anyone tell me about resourceloader in mediawiki ? [06:41:35] i just want to know about how it internally works .. [06:41:48] pls :) [06:43:49] some help with resourceloader !! [06:47:56] 03(NEW) Narayam core resource should load before other Wiki level editable JavaScripts - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35115 enhancement; MediaWiki extensions: Narayam; (junu.pv+public) [06:48:18] 03(mod) Narayam core resource should load before other Wiki level editable JavaScripts - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35115 (10Junaid) [06:48:19] 03(mod) Add ability to customize Narayam on-wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34693 (10Junaid) [07:06:14] 03(mod) "chapter:" interwiki link doesn't work for non .wikimedia.org chapters wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/24442 +comment (10Krinkle) [07:11:20] 03(NEW) API documentation for prop=excerpts seems to be wrong - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35116 minor; MediaWiki: API; (dcljr) [07:34:16] 03liangent * 10/trunk/extensions/MobileFrontend/api/ApiQueryExcerpts.php: (bug 35116) Correct API documentation for prop=excerpts [07:34:17] 03(FIXED) API documentation for prop=excerpts seems to be wrong - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35116 +comment (10Liangent) [07:35:01] 03(mod) Narayam core resource should load before other Wiki level editable JavaScripts - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35115 +comment (10Niklas Laxström) [07:35:24] 03(NEW) image upload vandalism is not revertable - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35117 critical; MediaWiki: Images and files; (niklas.laxstrom) [07:43:00] 03(mod) image upload vandalism is not revertable - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35117 +comment (10niklas.laxstrom) [07:47:11] 03(NEW) AJAXPoll: add group and group permissions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35118 normal; MediaWiki extensions: AJAX Poll; (mail) [07:47:42] 03(mod) image upload vandalism is not revertable - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35117 +comment (10Krinkle) [07:47:57] 03(mod) AJAXPoll: add group and group permissions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35118 normal->15enhancement; +comment (10T. Gries) [07:48:11] 03(mod) AJAXPoll: add group and group permissions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35118 (10T. Gries) [07:50:42] 03(NEW) AJAXPoll: add option to show poll results only for users who have voted - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35119 normal; MediaWiki extensions: AJAX Poll; (mail) [07:50:52] 03(mod) AJAX Poll: Create a new user right and restrict voting to it - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35118 summary; +comment (10Krinkle) [07:50:59] 03(mod) AJAXPoll: add option to show poll results only for users who have voted - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35119 normal->15enhancement; +comment (10T. Gries) [07:53:58] 03(NEW) AJAXPoll as simple ranking tool (add a different skin for poll vote and result layout) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35120 normal; MediaWiki extensions: AJAX Poll; (mail) [07:54:17] 03(mod) AJAXPoll as simple ranking tool (add a different skin for poll vote and result layout) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35120 normal->15enhancement; +comment (10T. Gries) [08:01:42] 03(mod) image upload vandalism is not revertable - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35117 +comment (10niklas.laxstrom) [08:02:18] 03(mod) image upload vandalism is not revertable - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35117 +comment (10federicoleva) [08:09:43] 03(mod) image upload vandalism is not revertable - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35117 +comment (10krinklemail) [08:10:46] 03(mod) AJAX Poll: Create a new user right and restrict voting to it - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35118 +comment (10mail) [08:11:59] 14(INVALID) Narayam core resource should load before other Wiki level editable JavaScripts - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35115 +comment (10Krinkle) [08:15:43] 03(mod) AJAX Poll: Create a new user right and restrict voting to it - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35118 +comment (10krinklemail) [08:17:52] 03(mod) AJAX Poll: Create a new user right and restrict voting to it - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35118 +comment (10mail) [08:22:10] Krinkle: hi [08:22:17] Hi [08:22:25] we made a decission [08:22:38] because there are too many limitations with gadget [08:22:44] we make both at some point [08:22:51] there will be a web app [08:23:00] but it will have api.php just like mediawiki [08:23:17] so that you can make a gadget to use all a stuff you need for it [08:23:26] like irc, etc [08:23:54] we are going to use a lot of memcache buffers to preload diffs etc [08:24:04] it's not possible in gadget [08:24:19] also there is no one in current dev team who understand how gadgets work [08:25:20] petan: Okay, I'm not going to tell you what to do. It's your project and I don't have time to do a lot of development on it either, so it wouldn't be fair either. [08:25:44] But I do believe and am sure that there are currently things you do not yet know, but will find out during the process of making the web app [08:26:16] for example the fact that memcached is not possible in a gadget is not relevant at all. You can't use memcached in the front-end in general, it's a backend thing. [08:26:30] ok, all you would need to make a gadget will be accessible so, you can make it if you want, problem is that no one from us understand gadgets so we can't dev it [08:26:33] Once the web-app is ready, I'll be happy to help out and create a gadget that uses your API and does the same thing from a gadget. [08:26:49] ok [08:26:57] petan: Basically "Gadgets" is a made up word [08:27:03] I don't know if u can access memcache from gadgets [08:27:08] it doesn't exist, it's just a wiki way of saying "a bunch of javascript" [08:27:49] petan: You can't access memcached from the browser in any way, not from html, not from javascript, not from a web app, not from a gadget [08:28:11] right, you can access it in web app [08:28:24] not from a browser probably, unless it's going to be public [08:28:25] you can access it on the server only, and only in the backend [08:28:34] doesn't matter whether it's public [08:28:40] if there is a way to restrict write access I could make it accessible from outside [08:28:50] it's going to cache public data only [08:29:23] memcache can listen on port which is accessible from outside [08:31:00] Yes, but you can't access that from a browser [08:31:03] that's not how the web works [08:31:10] hm... [08:31:12] you use it in the backend [08:31:16] right [08:31:20] front-end gets everything from the API [08:31:24] then it's not of much help to gadget... [08:31:25] (huggle api.php I mean) [08:31:39] memcached is not relevant to front-end, not for gadget, not for web app [08:32:06] You have valid argument on the etherpad that say there are a few things that could prevent the gadget from doing everything Huggle can [08:32:14] but those same arguments apply to the web app [08:32:25] another one is that gadget is goinf to be far slower [08:32:26] If you feel more comfortable doing a web app first, that's fine. [08:32:41] Gadget will be faster, I am sure of that. [08:32:47] only half the connections [08:32:49] let's see... ;) [08:32:53] not really [08:33:00] web app, will need connection only for write [08:33:07] no [08:33:11] it's going to read diffs from local memcache so... [08:33:29] there will be a daemon which download content of rc feed to local memcache [08:33:41]