[00:09:47] yay DNSBLs work again :) [00:10:41] 03(NEW) Exclude deprecated language codes in the list on Special:Translate - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35475 normal; MediaWiki extensions: Translate; (robinp.1273) [00:20:45] New review: Tim Starling; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 1 C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3434 [00:34:57] New review: Tim Starling; "Liangent: we don't have *any* decent collation for Chinese at the moment, uca-default just sorts by ..." [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: -1; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3367 [00:37:00] New review: Tim Starling; "-1 as per parent I467bcd7c" [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: -1; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3370 [00:42:06] is there a place to do feature requests, I wanted to request a log of all DNSBL blocked users (users who have hit the DNSBLs) something like Special:Log/DNSBL [00:57:34] New patchset: saper; "Next patchset" [test/mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3724 [00:58:51] * werdna aves [00:58:55] *waves [01:03:35] TimStarling: What do you think about changing user_password from TINYBLOB to BLOB if we do implement a 'C' shceme? [01:04:36] I think it's a ridiculous idea [01:04:50] any other questions? [01:04:55] lol [01:05:00] 255 characters is enough entropy [01:05:41] I'm not necessarily thinking about the lenght of just the hash... I'm thinking about the other stuff tacked on to it. And the configurability. [01:05:45] For example. [01:06:27] I can't imagine how you could tack on enough stuff to make it more than 255 characters [01:08:23] just doing some back of the envelope calculations [01:08:49] say if you had all the computing power of the earth [01:08:53] Hm. Complete certificate chain? :-) [01:09:28] and you were prepared to use that computing power to crack a password [01:09:54] and the password had 255 characters [01:10:00] then by the time it finished, a significant proportion of the protons that the computer is made of would have decayed [01:10:37] o.o [01:10:58] * Sid-G wonders if that's how devs make a point [01:11:55] * Sid-G also thinks that's awesome [01:12:09] 03(mod) provide a way to specify what text/statement is supported by a block. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/18231 +comment (10Rainald Koch) [01:12:10] Say we go with the suggestion to support PBKDF2 and support a password secret. In the password data we'll want to include the salt, the iterations, and an identifier for the password secret. PBKDF2 recommends at least 64 bits of salt. So that's minimum 12 extra chars. Unless you pack() the iterations it'll be at least another 5 default chars. Plus the separators. [01:12:16] TimStarling: Well, the current lower bound for the half-life of protons (if it turns out to not be stable) is known to be no bigger than 1e32 years, so you might be exgagerrating a little. :-) [01:13:15] And it's configurable. So the salt length would grow over time. [01:13:26] there are about 10^614 combinations [01:13:35] * YuviPanda pokes Sid-G  [01:13:38] so say if you checked 10^15 per second [01:13:46] Dantman: you could store all the extras in another col [01:13:58] 10^7 seconds in a year, so 10^22 checks per year [01:14:13] * Sid-G pokes YuviPanda back [01:14:14] like salt and whatnots could be in password_metadata [01:14:15] so 10^592 years to crack it [01:14:40] git question - is it possible to add tags like "stable" to versions so SysAdmins could checkout the "stable" tag to always be up to date with what developers deem as "stable"? [01:14:42] Sid-G good morning :) [01:14:56] Sid-G for a change, I've been writing userscripts/gadgets all day today :P [01:15:15] proton half life 10^32, so 10^560 half lives [01:15:43] Heh. Because people regularily have 256 bytes of actual passwordness. It's just a hash, remember? The actual search space is much smaller. (That said, I'm not disputing your point -- I just have a beef with blanket statements that 'enough bits' is sufficient) [01:15:47] YuviPanda:the day just begun here! [01:15:47] JRWR: That sounds like a horrid idea... TINYBLOB -> BLOB is much simpler to do, has less change in storage size, and has less effect on backwards compatibility. You'd also need at minimum 2 extra columns. And all of a sudden our crypt methods need to change the format of their parameters and output. [01:16:00] Sid-G i see! :) [01:16:09] YuviPanda:Make something which is i18nable [01:16:26] * Sid-G hates having to mess with gadget code to get it to work [01:16:46] Sid-G ah, good point. Currently i'm hard coding to enwiki and english, because this is for WikiProject India [01:16:51] TINYBLOB -> BLOB adds a single byte (x2 columns, so 2 bytes per row); And you don't actually have to apply it unless you reconfigure things to need that size. [01:16:53] Sid-G i'm not sure other wikis have WikiProjects [01:17:02] YuviPanda:Dont hardcode [01:17:13] YuviPanda:And link me! (to whatever u're making) [01:17:24] Sid-G http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Yuvipanda/AssessmentBar.js [01:17:37] why would you need a salt that is larger than the amount of entropy in the password? [01:17:40] * Sid-G has a feeling he wanted to make that [01:17:40] If we add new columns our class will include the column name in sql queries, and all of a sudden an optional table alter becomes one that is required if you don't want your wiki to die from sql exceptions. [01:17:53] Sid-G i also got some nice snippets that could be extracted out and used generally [01:18:06] oh wait, you're worried that someone will generate a rainbow table, right? [01:18:13] Sid-G like the loadScripts, which loads both RL modules and scripts from the same array. [01:18:14] YuviPanda:add them to wikiproject scripts' repository [01:18:14] a rainbow table with 10^600 entries in it [01:18:37] Sid-G also, the ClientTemplate 'library' allows me to generate UI for the project from things like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Yuvipanda/AssessmentBar/Toolbar.template [01:18:51] YuviPanda:Is that for the tag drive? based on a jquery ui dialog? [01:19:04] and everyone knows hard drives with 10^600 bits are getting pretty cheap these days [01:19:15] Sid-G ? [01:19:17] YuviPanda:basically a twinkle module like thingy for assessments? [01:19:25] yup [01:19:37] YuviPanda:get it added to twinkle then? [01:19:50] * Sid-G can then localise it for hi-wp [01:20:02] Sid-G it also serves the purpose of helping me learn to write userscripts properly :) [01:20:04] YuviPanda:Could u help with making TW i18nable? [01:20:17] Sid-G this isn't useful without the WIkiProjects based assessments, no? [01:20:35] Sid-G not right now, sorry! :( [01:20:41] ... [01:20:59] My worry is really things like this. Take Tyler Romeo's patch to add PBKDF2, it contains "$wgPasswordLength = 200;" (the dkLength) and in the documentation above notes "* DO NOT USE VALUES OVER 243 AS IT WILL NOT FIT IN DATABASE!" [01:21:53] Sid-G trying to finish this up, then need to write up chennai hackathon report. [01:21:56] and then, sleep :) [01:21:56] Now consider that a password secret identifier and number of iterations are being included as well, and a variable salt. [01:22:32] I do agree with you Dantman, and a fix could be moving overflow into another db field [01:22:34] The salt length and iterations are configurable. [01:22:38] YuviPanda:that is a very good script. U should update ur userpage to js-3 now [01:23:06] So documentation becomes a mathmatical formula: [01:24:09] Sid-G lol that's just pretty normal js. [01:24:44] YuviPanda:I can only work with the morebits library and that too barely! [01:25:08] Sid-G take some time out to learn jQuery? [01:25:16] 13 + b64len( saltlength ) + strlen( (string) iterations ) + dkLengt < 256 [01:25:17] it is incredibly powerful [01:25:19] YuviPanda:some, yes [01:25:56] When you configure you have to make sure that the combination of your saltlength, iterations, and dkLength doesn't go over the db field maximum. [01:26:00] what is the value in having a large dkLength? [01:26:00] YuviPanda:but working within wp and making js outside is a lot different [01:26:18] Sid-G not really [01:26:28] everything you learn/use outside applies here too [01:26:41] YuviPanda:Thats the point. I learned inside [01:26:48] hehe [01:26:59] YuviPanda:So I dont know what to do without mw.blahs or the morebits lib [01:27:12] heh [01:27:20] i've never used/checked out this 'morebits' library [01:27:36] YuviPanda:Its stupid wrappers for stuff [01:27:52] 13 + b64len(saltlength) + strlen(string)iterations) should only be 30 or so, right? [01:28:41] Sid-G how do you edit js files, btw? [01:28:43] directly inside browser? [01:29:06] TimStarling: So what would your recommended dkLength be? [01:29:31] YuviPanda:npp [01:29:43] copy paste? [01:29:54] YuviPanda:yeah [01:30:01] hmm [01:30:05] same thing i'm doing (with vim) [01:30:09] need to find a better solution [01:30:13] * YuviPanda puts it on to-do list [01:30:29] I haven't looked at PBKDF2 for a while [01:32:17] YuviPanda:tried the chrome console? [01:32:24] use it all the time :) [01:32:29] maybe 256 bits [01:32:48] maybe 512 if you're super-paranoid [01:34:29] Ok, 512 bits would take about 85 chars of storage [01:35:28] 256 would fit on a line more neatly [01:36:23] the F() part of PBKDF2 should be sufficient if you use a strong enough hash [01:36:41] which is what you get if dkLen = the hash size [01:37:03] I'm looking through the RFC trying to find a rationale for using dkLen != hLen [01:37:54] YuviPanda:In ur script, I recommend u always move the text to a separate object at the top [01:38:02] ? [01:38:15] YuviPanda:i18nable [01:38:33] Sid-G i'll make it properly localizable once done, don't worry! :) [01:38:35] YuviPanda:use an object properties for anything thats a string [01:38:42] mmm, in fact section B.1.1 seems to say there is no point in having dkLen > hLen since you won't get any more search space [01:39:37] so if we are using a SHA-1 implementation of PBKDF2 then it seems like 160 is the right value for dkLen [01:39:48] Sid-G code should never have to be edited to i18n things. I'll figure out a 'nicer' way. [01:40:09] YuviPanda: :) [01:40:20] 160 bits [01:40:28] YuviPanda:option is to move the script to commons and load the code like hotcat does [01:40:41] Sid-G ? [01:40:43] as in? [01:40:55] YuviPanda:HotCat is a gadget [01:41:10] yeah, but 'move to commons'? [01:41:35] not necessary [01:42:06] just a suggestion [01:42:12] no i am just asking you what you meant by that [01:42:12] ah [01:42:13] :) [01:42:13] okay! [01:42:14] HotCat is on commons i think [01:42:14] :) [01:42:20] first step is to actually finish this one :) [01:42:30] heh [01:42:36] how long did that take u to make? [01:42:50] i basically rewrote the UI when I rediscovered my hate of string concatenation for creating DOM [01:42:51] :) [01:42:56] Sid-G i'd say so far about 10-12 hours [01:43:02] including about 2 rewrites [01:43:04] o.o [01:43:16] O.O [01:43:20] * Sid-G faints [01:43:45] should be better next time - ClientTemplates should give any UI work a *huge* speedup [01:44:19] i should add caching to that though [01:44:52] YuviPanda:Just make an i18nable version of twinkle for me? [01:45:00] YuviPanda:It takes me a month to fix one module! [01:45:29] Sid-G :) [01:45:43] Dantman: speaking of search space, I think my proposal for a C-type hash was based on stacking more hashing on top of the B-type hash, to allow upgrading without re-entering passwords [01:46:00] YuviPanda:So u'll do it ? :) [01:46:11] Sid-G I'm still not sure what's a good way to i18n gadgets. have a few things in mind, will get clearer in a few days [01:46:18] so if the only point in increasing dkLen is to increase search space, as the RFC seems to imply, then it doesn't really make sense to go above 128 bits [01:46:30] Sid-G let me first finish this, and then i'll start figuring out more stuff to do? :) [01:46:38] YuviPanda:The best would be to move it all to translatewiki.net [01:46:54] ofcourse! [01:46:54] YuviPanda:Just make a list and add twinkle on top? [01:46:56] :) [01:47:03] TimStarling: Someone else made a point about md5 being weak and how stacking hashing on top of our existing hashes will keep all the md5 collisions. [01:47:25] Sid-G :) [01:47:31] Sid-G how do you currently localize gadgets? [01:47:34] :) [01:47:39] sure, but you don't get to choose the plaintext [01:47:46] YuviPanda:By bashing my head with js [01:48:19] the attacks against MD5 are not really relevant to password hashing [01:48:20] that is actually how/why i learned the teensy-weensy bit of js i know [01:48:45] Is there a way to disable tabs (tabber extension) with nothing being displayed inside them when you don't have a parameter that can be used with #if parsers? [01:49:22] Sid-G :) [01:49:37] Sid-G IIRC Gadgets2.0 is supposed to have built in l10n support [01:49:54] YuviPanda:Yeah, but when is that coming out? [01:50:35] Sid-G not sure :) [01:50:48] also from reading the documentation, i'm not sure if it is gadget only or available for userscripts too [01:51:00] hmm [01:51:37] I've been working on making a morebits based tw mod that's easy to localise and can basically do any editing of a page [01:51:40] Sid-G AssessmentBar is being built at the request of AshLin [01:51:44] i'm sure you know him? [01:51:46] but i'm stuck [01:52:00] no, actually [01:52:04] just know of him [01:52:34] ah [01:52:35] okay [01:54:15] is there a way to get the list of all namespaces of a wiki? a special page or something? [01:58:08] Sid-G: look into API calls, I think there is a list in there [02:17:06] 03(NEW) Non-included tables break parser - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35476 major; MediaWiki: Templates; (public) [02:19:57] found the ns list thanks [02:28:50] 03werdna * 10/trunk/extensions/PageTriage/ (7 files in 3 dirs): PageTriage: Add "unpatrolled" marker to pages that need triaging. Will eventually turn into a "mark as patrolled" link. [02:33:15] 03(mod) Add purge_specials right - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35321 +comment (10Bawolff) [02:40:03] Is there a way to find all the namespace aliases for a project? [02:40:23] 03(mod) Image upload data lose after server restart - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35432 +comment (10Pei-Tang Huang) [02:49:32] TimStarling: Did you know about this little php weak comparison gem? `0 == '#' && 0 == '*' && 0 == '0' && 0 == 'x'` -> true [03:02:06] !seen Skizzers [03:04:41] Dantman: yes, I wrote something very similar at http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Coding_conventions/PHP#Pitfalls [03:06:47] have you seen the latest post to mediawiki-l? it looks like your area [03:08:53] Oh right... that one [03:09:16] ...now what was it that stopped me from pointing him to the existing bug repot [03:10:26] 35441? [03:10:50] mhmm [03:12:03] have you reviewed that patch? [03:13:30] I'm not sure how we missed `$expiration = ` or if that's even in the original (I didn't check the branch after reading the patch) but the end result of the patch looks good [03:17:19] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/114241 [03:17:31] - $expiration = wfTimestamp( TS_MW, $expires ); [03:17:31] - $token = self::generateToken( $this->mId . $this->mEmail . $expires ); [03:17:31] + $expiration = [03:17:31] + $token = MWCryptRand::generateHex( 32, __METHOD__ ); [03:19:01] My guess is that happened due to having to deal with patch conflicts since there were a number of trivial changes to User.php between 1.17 and 1.20 that forced me to manually apply some of the changes... [03:19:41] Well.. the `$expiration = ` part [03:21:08] Oh fun... this all was because of conflicts. [03:22:05] n/m diff truncation [03:23:29] it's broken in all the versions, isn't it? not just 1.17 [03:24:01] it looks broken to me in trunk [03:24:40] I don't get how I managed to test email confirmation and get it to work when the code was broken like that. [03:25:43] you probably didn't notice that the expiration time was wrong [03:26:00] Maybe... [03:26:18] Is there some difference between the versions of MW that causes trunk to be silent but 1.17 to fatal? [03:26:28] Just because the epiration is wrong. [03:26:30] > print $wgContLang->timeanddate(null); [03:26:30] 03:26, 26 March 2012 [03:26:48] yes, in 1.17 the token is used as the expiration date [03:26:59] in 1.18 it is null [03:28:11] Ok... not a MW change, a mistake when manually applying the rejected patch portions [03:30:44] hmmm, I was wondering what to do with my local test setup under git, wondering whether it's worthwhile to use shallow clones [03:30:57] shallow clones? [03:31:06] yeah, without history [03:31:19] Interesting... I didn't know that was a feature. [03:31:46] it turns out my core.git clone is currently 171MB and my old phase3 directory is 2.1GB [03:31:58] lol [03:32:24] so maybe I should be optimising for the amount of cruft I have in there first, and worry about git overhead later [03:32:41] sorry 2.7GB [03:32:54] TimStarling: You should also consider the possibility that git's hardlinking feature could also negate the benefits [03:34:47] Is there a way to find the list of all namespace aliases for a project? [03:35:23] the API probably has it [03:35:48] didnt find it there, but i'll look again [03:36:12] just to clarify, I'm looking for the aliases now, not the namespace numbers [03:37:38] try meta=siteinfo [03:37:52] siprop=namespacealiases [03:38:17] ok [03:38:53] heh, should've looked properly before asking [03:39:39] New review: Tim Starling; "I think we can probably have this, I'm just going to recommend a few minor changes:" [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: -1; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3363 [03:45:22] New review: Tim Starling; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 1 C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3318 [03:45:25] Change merged: Tim Starling; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3318 [03:48:26] New patchset: Daniel Friesen; "Fix broken email confirmation expiration caused by MWCryptRand changes." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3725 [03:49:56] 03(mod) Email address confirmation broken due to incorrect or missing assignment of $expiration in User::confirmationToken() - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35441 +comment (10Tim Starling) [03:51:35] TimStarling: REL1_17 - REL1_19, are we doing those in svn still or git? [03:53:26] git [03:53:36] only 1.19wmf1 is still in subversion [03:54:42] TimStarling: cherry-pick or merge? [03:54:46] New review: Tim Starling; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 1 C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3725 [03:54:48] Change merged: Tim Starling; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3725 [03:55:17] mmmm... right that's probably a cherry pick [03:55:19] what-what or what? [03:55:52] ok maybe I kind of know what those are [03:55:59] I just found something wierd, hi-wp's canonical namespace name for portals is wrong (assuming ns 100 is always portals) [03:56:13] I can't really answer any questions about them yet though [03:56:41] TimStarling: For getting the commit into the release branch. Essentially I was asking if we wanted commits to appear like separate commits or proper merges from anotherbranch with an attached parent... then I remembered that merges carry their history with them, so merging from trunk would be incorrect [03:56:55] Sid-G: it's not obvious in the configuration file that there are meant to be standard IDs for certain namespaces [03:56:58] canonical names shouldn't be the same as the localized name, should they? http://hi.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&meta=siteinfo&siprop=namespaces|namespacealiases [03:57:05] so it's not surprising that that convention is not always followed [03:57:20] well, as far as i know they are portals [03:58:00] and extra namespaces don't have canonical names [03:58:11] Oh... this'll be fun my first non-master gerrit commit [03:58:38] ns 100 has a canonical name per the API [03:58:48] and its the same as the local name [03:59:28] Did you mean that they're the same as the local name by default and can't be changed? [04:00:14] ...the punch to the head here now. Is `git review` derives topic names from the branch name. So how do I get it to use the same topic name as the one for master? [04:00:48] Meh... I'll do it the manual way [04:01:05] Sid-G: yes, that is one way of looking at it [04:01:21] 03(mod) SRF: The min and max math formats should work with dates and strings - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/26027 +comment (10Nischay Nahata) [04:01:37] TimStarling:ok :) [04:01:52] or maybe $wgExtraNamespaces is the canonical name and there's no such thing as a local name [04:02:03] either way, you can't change it [04:02:15] hmm [04:03:37] so theoretically, if wikipedias wanted to synchronise the namespace Portal, all the languages would need "Portal" in all languages as aliases? [04:04:32] depends on what you mean by synchronise, but yes it is possible to add that alias [04:05:18] synchronise=be able to search portals in another wiki by typing in the searchbox directly, without knowing how to write "Portal" in that language [04:06:51] also, synchronise=make them work just like canonical names do [04:08:12] New patchset: Daniel Friesen; "Fix broken email confirmation expiration caused by MWCryptRand changes." [mediawiki/core] (REL1_19) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3726 [04:08:38] hello [04:09:56] if I use git clone -l for branches, then I will need a script to update all the clones won't I? [04:10:21] because the clones won't have gerrit as a remote, they'll only have the main local clone as a remote [04:10:29] can someone help me out? i am trying to download a extension and i am not sure where to go about getting the extension [04:11:42] deathwish: what extension? [04:12:01] well its mostly any i try to download i get a error [04:12:36] right, well it's 3pm [04:12:46] ExtensionDistributor dies every day at 3pm [04:12:54] it usually fixes itself [04:13:26] like if i want to download wikieditor extension and when i click on download from snapshot it gives me a lockout timeout error [04:13:29] not 3pm for you I guess, but you get the idea [04:13:31] here's a curious issue... [04:13:34] http://doomwiki.org/wiki/T._Washington [04:13:40] that article is in category Doom 3 characters [04:13:47] but if you visit that category, the article isn't appearing [04:13:54] and neither are roughly 24 other articles [04:15:17] TimStarling: If you want to play around with a dud warhead you might try the --shared option [04:15:50] Quasar`: I guess if you had some dedicated tech support staff like the ones at wikia then they'd be able to figure out that problem for you [04:16:00] we left wikia [04:16:20] they care more about click through rates than having a usable UI [04:16:37] i am in america eastern time its oo:16 where i am at [04:17:02] deathwish: usually it fixes itself in about an hour [04:17:30] its been happening to me for a month now and i dont know why or how to fix it and i dont know how to use the svn option on windows [04:17:31] you can use subversion directly if you like [04:17:53] how do you do that? don't you need linux? [04:18:11] Quasar`: I would check the job backlog, but well... [04:18:12] http://doomwiki.org/api.php?action=query&meta=siteinfo&siprop=statistics [04:18:30] you dont thave the api.php, unless you are hiding it [04:18:39] I don't think it would be a job queue thing, they're not using templates [04:18:39] hmm [04:18:43] it's just a plain category [04:18:56] sysadmin may have hid it due to the recent compromise [04:19:29] 1.16.2? [04:19:34] we've been trying to upgrade to 1.17 but things keep breaking [04:19:40] Quasar`: http://doomwiki.org/w/api.php?action=query&meta=siteinfo&siprop=statistics [04:19:42] I don't know if my memory goes back that far [04:19:46] you have two backlogged jobs [04:20:28] T_T Aaahhh... REL1_18 is going to be annoying to test [04:20:45] php maintenance/runJobs.php [04:20:51] TimStarling:I had an opposite-ish issue at hi-wp once (just in case this matters). Three articles were stuck in a category even though they had been removed. They remained stuck for about a month before going away. This was even though the category page and the articles were purged a few times (atleast a few). [04:20:53] i have a question i don't know if anyone could help out with it but where would i go about getting themes/templates for mediawiki? [04:21:02] that should fix you up, make sure to read http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Job_queue Quasar` [04:21:27] JRWR: it probably won't fix anything [04:21:37] TimStarling: You never know :) [04:21:45] I wrote the code, I think I have some idea [04:22:14] TimStarling: :P [04:22:21] well the really interesting thing is, if I compare the last two revisions of that category, then the view of the "Latest revision" shows me all 69 pages in the category. [04:22:39] not just the 45 that appear when navigating directly to the category. [04:23:08] Quasar`:Did u try purging the category page? [04:23:24] no, not familiar with that process [04:23:32] Quasar`: you are using 1.16.2, What breaks when trying to upgrade to something like 1.18.2? [04:24:02] mainly the FlaggedRevisions extension [04:24:06] well, you don't have any Via headers or anything like that [04:24:24] Quasar`:its usually something like http://blah.com/wiki/index.php?title=blahlbha&action=purge [04:24:29] Quasar`:just an &action=purge at the end purges the page cache (server-side) [04:24:29] are you using $wgUseFileCache ? [04:24:53] I already null-edited it [04:25:12] not the category, the page [04:25:25] don't null edit the category, the test case might be destroyed [04:26:22] New patchset: Daniel Friesen; "Fix broken email confirmation expiration caused by MWCryptRand changes." [mediawiki/core] (REL1_18) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3727 [04:26:36] don't purge it either [04:32:33] $wgUseFileCache is true [04:33:09] New patchset: Daniel Friesen; "Fix broken email confirmation expiration caused by MWCryptRand changes." [mediawiki/core] (REL1_17) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3728 [04:34:06] Ahhh... HEAD sweet refs/heads/master... [04:36:56] Quasar`: it's a bug with $wgUseFileCache [04:37:01] want me to file it? [04:38:03] I think I will file it [04:38:23] is it still an issue in later versions? [04:38:47] believe me we want to get upgraded ASAP [04:38:57] heh, I already did: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=24575 [04:38:59] in 2010 [04:39:33] 03(mod) Email address confirmation broken due to incorrect or missing assignment of $expiration in User::confirmationToken() - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35441 +comment (10Daniel Friesen) [04:39:37] yes it's still an issue [04:39:54] you can purge it now, like Sid-G says [04:39:58] ok, thanks. [04:41:15] Is anyone able to help me link up the help articles on my mw installation? I've discovered that googling 'mediawiki missing help articles' and such is somewhat inefficient, and the FAQ doesn't shed a lot of light on automating the process (or at least doing it in an elegant way). [04:41:26] Thats why I dont use the filecache anymore, didnt like how flaky it was (we had a issue where the sidebar would just vanish, for logged in, and no logged in users) [04:42:07] glsignal:What do u mean by "link up"? [04:42:08] yep that worked. [04:42:24] (also logging in did show me the full category, I didn't even realize I was logged out) [04:43:07] had to change accounts earlier to reset somebody's password and didn't check the stay logged in box ;) [04:43:08] Sid-G: Set the editing help links (as well as others) to link to their equivalents here http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Contents [04:44:01] 03(mod) Category and image description pages not purged from file cache or squid cache on link update - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/24575 +comment (10Tim Starling) [04:44:31] glsignal:Go to Special:AllMessages and try to look for the appropriate interface message u want to modify [04:44:39] glsignal:Then add/remove whatever links u like (once u find the appropriate message) [04:54:47] Sid-G: Not sure this is what I'm after - Long version: Currently (for example) the Help:Editing page doesn't exist as this documentation isn't included in a typical MW install. I'd like to redirect a user to http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Editing instead of my non-existent page. This problem is referenced here, though there isn't a clear solution (short of copying a bunch of text many times). [04:55:20] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:FAQ#.E2.80.A6is_the_Help_namespace_empty.3F was the reference I accidentally left out, sorry. [05:31:51] New review: Aaron Schulz; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 1 C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3722 [05:31:53] Change merged: Aaron Schulz; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3722 [05:35:07] New review: Aaron Schulz; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 1 C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3716 [05:35:10] Change merged: Aaron Schulz; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3716 [05:37:02] New review: Aaron Schulz; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/core] (REL1_19); V: 1 C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3715 [05:37:04] Change merged: Aaron Schulz; [mediawiki/core] (REL1_19) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3715 [05:42:08] what's the difference between a branch and a head? [05:44:13] nothing I guess [05:44:18] "Branch to checkout; if it refers to a branch (i.e., a name that, when prepended with "refs/heads/", is a valid ref)" [05:48:34] That's a lame joke. [05:59:34] 03(mod) Email address confirmation broken due to incorrect or missing assignment of $expiration in User::confirmationToken() - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35441 +comment (10Laurence 'GreenReaper' Parry) [06:02:22] 03(mod) Email address confirmation broken due to incorrect or missing assignment of $expiration in User::confirmationToken() - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35441 +comment (10Daniel Friesen) [06:05:07] 03(mod) Don't load some (default) modules if they've been loaded before - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/32537 +comment (10Lupo) [06:08:38] New patchset: Daniel Friesen; "Fix broken email confirmation expiration caused by MWCryptRand changes." [mediawiki/core] (REL1_17) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3728 [06:09:06] New review: Nikerabbit; "Please add short summary to commit message" [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 1; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3699 [06:11:49] Joan: if you say so [06:12:07] I wasn't joking though [06:19:38] I'm trying to figure out how to make my git setup as functional as my previous pushmi setup [06:30:04] New review: Aaron Schulz; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 1 C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3721 [06:30:07] Change merged: Aaron Schulz; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3721 [06:32:19] New review: Nikerabbit; "There are some coding style issues" [mediawiki/core] (REL1_19); V: 0 C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3700 [06:33:39] TimStarling: my understanding is that HEAD is a pointer to a rev in the current branch that matches your working copy (usually the tip rev, unless you're in the "detached HEAD" state) [06:35:04] thanks robla [06:35:59] I was interested in heads in a broader sense [06:36:08] "git ls-remote origin" was interesting [06:36:22] I guess "heads" would be "non-detached" heads, which...must be the same as branches? [06:37:27] it's hard to explain because pretty much every applicable jargon word is horribly overused in git [06:38:04] well, not just that, but often used differently than most other systems [06:38:04] 03(mod) Replace MD5 password hashing with WHIRLPOOL - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/28419 +comment (10Daniel Friesen) [06:38:08] but you have commits, that word at least is fairly clear [06:38:18] and commits have parents [06:38:23] which are other commits [06:39:31] there are some commits that don't have parents, most obviously the initial commit, but it seems to be possible to do other parentless commits also [06:39:47] so you have a set of tree structures [06:40:03] each starting with an initial commit at the root, through a set of child commits [06:40:33] in one sense, heads are equivalent to leaf nodes of this tree [06:41:02] refs/heads/* is a set of references to those leaf nodes [06:42:18] when you commit to a branch, the relevant entry in refs/heads is updated to point to the new commit [06:42:21] ah....it's a tip revision of a branch [06:42:26] and the parent of the new commit points to the old head [06:42:35] yes [06:43:00] so it's not *quite* the same as a branch [06:43:20] the whole mess of revisions is the branch, the head is a single rev [06:43:26] ;) Except that is what a branch is [06:43:27] but there are references other than the ones in ref/heads/*, gerrit abuses the reference system for its own internal data [06:43:44] A commit IS every commit before it [06:43:51] it creates its own hierarchy of references under refs/changes [06:44:02] A branch is only the whole mess of commit, because every commit is the whole mess of commits before it. [06:44:19] and git clone does not normally get them, it only sets up tracking branches for refs/heads [06:44:49] hence the ugly git fetch command that gerrit gives you for pasting [06:46:11] refs/changes is basically a set of branches that are put in a non-traditional place to hide them from git fetch [06:46:36] and there is also refs/meta/config and refs/notes/review which are used by gerrit for metadata [06:47:59] they don't have the normal source code as parents, so they are the separate disconnected trees I was talking about [06:48:45] good luck untangling all this. I think I'm going to go get some sleep [06:48:52] taking something apart is always a good way to learn about it, right? [06:49:14] good night [06:49:19] TimStarling: If you know the magic trick for it, you can also create an actual branch that is not based on any other commit. [06:49:20] :) goodnight [06:50:27] ;) And if you add a separate git repo as a remote, fetch it, and then create a branch off one of the remote branches you can fuse the histories of two git repos together [06:52:29] And to top it of. You can then make a merge commit fusing the separate git repo into the actual history of your project while making the actual changes inside the commit the ones you'd use to incoporate it into your codebase. [06:53:59] Then to ice that off with something I haven't done yet. You could technically keep the other project as a remote, keep that branch you created of the other project around and continue pulling the other project's commits into it. And periodically merging the changes from the other project into your codebase. [06:54:04] you can make a commit that has commits from different remote repos as its parents [06:54:22] that sounds less mystical to me than fusing two repos [06:54:30] lo [06:54:34] lol* [06:55:06] TimStarling: ;) it is if you're stuck in the land of centralized vcs' [06:55:24] yeah sure [06:55:37] going for dinner [07:02:28] New review: Aaron Schulz; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/GlobalBlocking] (master); V: 1 C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3698 [07:02:31] Change merged: Aaron Schulz; [mediawiki/extensions/GlobalBlocking] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3698 [07:06:58] New review: Aaron Schulz; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/CheckUser] (master); V: 1 C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3683 [07:07:00] Change merged: Aaron Schulz; [mediawiki/extensions/CheckUser] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3683 [07:09:47] I getting this error: "The upload directory (public) is not writable by the webserver" after a php update [07:10:44] I think I don´t have to say that the folder is at 777 [07:11:58] Tux_Fighter: which folder are you setting to 777? [07:12:18] uploads [07:12:30] and I try to settings images to 777 as well [07:13:06] New review: Aaron Schulz; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/GlobalBlocking] (master); V: 1 C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3476 [07:13:09] Change merged: Aaron Schulz; [mediawiki/extensions/GlobalBlocking] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3476 [07:13:29] you need to make sure your setting what ever directory is setup for your uploads to the apprioate chmod [07:13:42] which by default is (mediawiki)/images unless you have changed it [07:13:52] I didn´t changed a thing, beside the system update [07:13:54] also need to make sure subfolders is correct [07:13:58] and it works before [07:14:08] but I will recheck it [07:15:42] I love thx that helped me :-) [07:16:10] it seems that during the update the ownership was changed [07:16:14] I changed it back to www-data [07:37:55] 03(mod) Width problems in content area using Huggle - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35470 +comment (10Peter Bena) [08:09:47] 03(mod) When on existing page lacking translations, still displays a red link instead of bold text - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35474 +comment (10Niklas Laxström) [08:16:01] New code comment: Nikerabbit; 
 \ + $msg = wfMessage( 'pagetriage-markpatrolled' )->parse(); \ + $html = Html::element( 'div', a; 
[08:22:56] 	 New patchset: Adamw; "List items are tokenized in the parser, list creation is moved to the synchronous phase." [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3729
[08:30:27] 	 I have a bizarre problem.... I just upgraded my wiki to 1.18.1 and when I go to click on links, most predominately in Special pages, rather than going to the page, it downoads a .gz file
[08:31:21] 	 anyone have any clues as to how I can fix this?
[08:34:48] 	 03(mod) Replace MD5 password hashing with WHIRLPOOL - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/28419  +comment (10Daniel Friesen)
[08:37:01] 	 Skizzerz: You round?
[08:37:34] 	 03(mod) Special:CreateProperty / log message after property creation (1.7.1) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35370  +comment (10Markus Krötzsch)
[08:47:39] 	 03schuellersa *  10/trunk/extensions/SolrStore/templates/SolrSearchTemplate_FIS.php: evate double output on searchresult (Institution), German Template
[08:52:29] 	 hey
[08:52:34] 	 anyone here?
[08:53:09] 	 I think i removed something from mysql and now my wiki is broken it give this error: http://pastie.org/3670585
[08:53:27] 	 i have no idea how to fix this without losing all wiki data
[08:53:51] 	 open maintenance/tables.sql
[08:54:12] 	 copy out the part of it for the job table
[08:54:30] 	 then pipe it into maintenance/sql.php
[08:54:43] 	 sorry but where do i open this?
[08:54:49] 	 in my phpmyadmin?
[08:54:51] 	 03(mod) Determine block mode vs. inline mode properly for MathJax - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35188  summary; +comment (10Michael M.)
[08:55:47] 	 it's in the mediawiki source
[08:56:39] 	 ow oke and how to i createa  table with it? do i need to import manually one?
[08:56:49] 	 03(mod) Trouble finding commit bd7a268e4be2da23ba0b9943c3b0ba1ac88294dc in gitweb - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35461  +comment (10Antoine "hashar" Musso)
[08:56:52] 	 03(mod) Migrate subversion to git (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/22596  (10Antoine "hashar" Musso)
[08:56:54] 	 sorry i'm a real noob with mysql
[08:58:36] 	 03(mod) Tell git on gerrit.wikimedia.org not to generate spurious terminal sequences - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35462  +comment (10Antoine "hashar" Musso)
[08:58:57] 	 I can't really give you instructions on using phpmyadmin, it's been a long time since I used it
[08:59:01] 	 do you have shell access?
[08:59:22] 	 i probably do but it's not activated :p
[08:59:29] 	 03(mod) sort order for inline queries is case sensitive - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33134  +comment (10Markus Krötzsch)
[08:59:39] 	 03(mod) Tell git on gerrit.wikimedia.org not to generate spurious terminal sequences - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35462   +upstream; +comment (10Antoine "hashar" Musso)
[09:00:00] 	 what version of mediawiki are you using?
[09:00:30] 	 good question :p
[09:00:40] 	 got it like 1 or 2 months ago
[09:00:59] 	 what is the URL of your wiki?
[09:01:28] 	 wiki.fantasywar.net
[09:02:02] 	 03(mod) Special:CreateProperty / log message after property creation (2.4.2) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35370  summary (10[[kgh]])
[09:02:18] 	 it's 1.18.1
[09:02:28] 	 ow k
[09:04:12] 	 so what should i do with the sql.php?
[09:04:22] 	 i can't make a table with that i think
[09:04:44] 	 I think you should join #phpmyadmin
[09:04:49] 	 03(mod) Special:ExpandTemplates shouldn't provide useless section edit links when context title is not specified - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35428  (10Alexandre Emsenhuber [IAlex])
[09:04:53] 	 and paste this link: http://paste.tstarling.com/p/auwDjn.html
[09:05:10] 	 and ask them very nicely to explain to you how to run it on your server
[09:05:11] 	 k will try that thanks
[09:07:08] 	 03(mod) Triage Git conversion issues wiki pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34349  +comment (10Antoine "hashar" Musso)
[09:07:29] 	 Dantman: hmm?
[09:07:41] 	 TimStarling , did you see my question?
[09:07:59] 	 03(mod) Error in .htaccess file that address Bug 28235 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35454  summary; +comment (10Alexandre Emsenhuber [IAlex])
[09:08:21] 	 Wynthyst: it was very enigmatic
[09:08:34] 	 Wynthyst: are you on a shared host?
[09:08:40] 	 I don't know how to explain it better
[09:08:48] 	 yes
[09:09:06] 	 what is the URL?
[09:09:16] 	 http://www.wiki-wynthyst.info/wiki/Main_Page
[09:09:23] 	 it's just driving me a bit mad
[09:09:49] 	 I go to delete something, and it downloads index.gz
[09:10:41] 	 I try to go to Special:ListFiles and it downloads Special-ListFiles.gz
[09:10:50] 	 how often?
[09:11:14] 	 not every time, but most
[09:11:59] 	 I know I screwed up my image files when I upgraded... so I've been trying to reupload them and just delete the ones I don't need anymore
[09:12:07] 	 and this is just crazy
[09:12:32] 	 well, it's not doing it for me
[09:12:38] 	 Wynthyst: So you have "use external editor" enabled under your preferences? that some times will trigger downloads like that
[09:12:53] 	 14(WFM) properties not of type page show up in wanted pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31810  +comment (10Markus Krötzsch)
[09:13:13] 	 no I don't have that set in preferences
[09:13:25] 	 try using tor
[09:13:29] 	 and I've had other people tell me it's not doing it for them either.... so I don't get it
[09:13:39] 	 it might be your end of the network
[09:14:28] 	 I just thought I'd come in and ask if it's something anyone else knew about........
[09:15:11] 	 03(NEW) Remove (or improve) hack for integrals from wiki2jax.js - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35477 normal; MediaWiki extensions: Math (texvc); (listenleser)
[09:15:12] 	 thank you for your time
[09:15:27] 	 I guess I just have to hope it resolves itself
[09:15:40] 	 you should try using tor
[09:15:49] 	 tor?
[09:15:49] 	 hope is not really the best idea
[09:15:59] 	 03(mod) &action=raw&gen=js and gen=js output empty page; do not work as documented - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35450  +comment (10Alexandre Emsenhuber [IAlex])
[09:16:03] 	 its a sequence of letters that you type into google
[09:16:26] 	 well, it's not like it's a very widely used wiki.. it's basically only there for me to design skins on for other wikis
[09:17:11] 	 if it's too much trouble to get tor, then you could try browsing the site from another network and computer
[09:17:26] 	 I just thought I had done something else glaringly wrong when I upgraded it
[09:18:40] 	 03(NEW) Remove support for WikEd and ajaxPreview from ext.math.mathjax.enabler.js - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35478 normal; MediaWiki extensions: Math (texvc); (listenleser)
[09:19:04] 	 you should also check your server logs
[09:19:08] 	 it could be a segfault
[09:19:46] 	 03(FIXED) Write git localization import scripts for translatewiki.net - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34137  +comment (10Antoine "hashar" Musso)
[09:19:52] 	 actually I think that bug in firefox is fixed now
[09:20:00] 	 I hope so anyway
[09:20:22] 	 anyway.. thank you for your time Tim
[09:20:26] 	 anyway there is something wrong with the responses your browser is getting
[09:20:37] 	 it would be easy for me to tell you what is wrong if I was getting them too, but I'm not
[09:20:45] 	 I understand
[09:20:56] 	 what happens when you accept the download?
[09:21:13] 	 what is inside the resulting file?
[09:21:27] 	 nothing.. it just downloads the file and if I wait til it stops, then click the link again, it goes where it's suppose to
[09:21:37] 	 I haven't opened any of them
[09:22:03] 	 well, open one
[09:22:13] 	 �
[09:22:17] 	 hmmm
[09:22:29] 	 Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 08:36:44 GMT
[09:22:29] 	 Server: Apache
[09:22:29] 	 X-Content-Type-Options: nosniff
[09:22:29] 	 Content-language: en
[09:22:29] 	 X-Frame-Options: DENY
[09:22:30] 	 Vary: Accept-Encoding,Cookie
[09:22:32] 	 Expires: Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 GMT
[09:22:34] 	 Cache-Control: private, must-revalidate, max-age=0
[09:22:36] 	 Content-Encoding: gzip
[09:22:38] 	 Keep-Alive: timeout=15, max=99
[09:22:40] 	 Connection: Keep-Alive
[09:22:42] 	 Transfer-Encoding: chunked
[09:22:44] 	 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8
[09:22:46] 	 and then a bunch of code looking stuff
[09:23:02] 	 03(NEW) Output TeX code in script elements for MathJax - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35479 enhancement; MediaWiki extensions: Math (texvc); (listenleser)
[09:23:55] 	 03(NEW) Create an option for PNG+MathJax - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35480 enhancement; MediaWiki extensions: Math (texvc); (listenleser)
[09:24:10] 	 ok, so there are line breaks inserted into the response at the start of the headers
[09:26:00] 	 you must get really tired of dealing with noobs like me....
[09:26:34] 	 you're not a noob really
[09:27:05] 	 I feel like one
[09:27:25] 	 you were able to open a file, unlike some people
[09:27:40] 	 lol well, yeah, I can do that
[09:28:01] 	 and I'm generally great with front end stuff, but backend... I get a bit lost
[09:28:10] 	 what sort of ISP are you using?
[09:28:16] 	 Is there a way to get the list of all protected pages which have not been edited in a certain amount of time? I tried to find it in the API but couldn't find anything that'd work.
[09:28:16] 	 comcast
[09:28:24] 	 I have never had this problem before...
[09:28:38] 	 I've had this wiki up and running for almost 5 years
[09:28:52] 	 it just started happening after I upgraded it to 1.18.1 last night
[09:29:24] 	 yes, well that is obviously related
[09:29:43] 	 you think bumping it to 1.18.2 might help?
[09:30:15] 	 there is probably a piece of network equipment in between you and your server that is mangling MW's responses horribly in response to some little change that we made in 1.18
[09:30:23] 	 no, I don't think 1.18.2 would help
[09:30:26] 	 k
[09:31:01] 	 I was just trying to get my wiki on the same version as the wikis I work with for my job
[09:31:11] 	 makes doing css stuff easier
[09:32:11] 	 TimStarling: If it was a MW issue, shouldn't of en.wiki exploded by now with complaints, iirc comcast is pretty popular in the US
[09:32:56] 	 there are lots more variables, not just ISP and MW version
[09:33:25] 	 note that he's using 1.18, Wikipedia is on 1.19
[09:33:43] 	 it also seems to be only in Chrome.....
[09:33:56] 	 I haven't been able to reproduce it in FireFox or IE
[09:33:58] 	 there's your solution then
[09:34:02] 	 don't use chrome
[09:34:22] 	 lol
[09:35:12] 	 it's got to be something though specific to my wiki, since none of the other 50+ wikis I work on on a daily basis has the problem
[09:37:17] 	 oh well, I've taken up enough of your time
[09:37:21] 	 thanks!
[09:37:48] 	 telnet?
[09:38:32] 	 tried it already: http://paste.tstarling.com/p/DsdGfm.html
[09:38:41] 	 New patchset: Hashar; "(bug 35341): 'user' icon in SVG" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3687
[09:38:49] 	 I thought it could be a difference between CR/LF and LF, but it looks fine to me
[09:39:04] 	 TimStarling: Are you seeing the bug?
[09:39:07] 	 no
[09:39:13] 	 ;) Why I said telnet
[09:39:13] 	 I'm not using chrome though
[09:39:30] 	 lol now it's happening on Recent Changes too HAHAH
[09:39:41] 	 some days it just sucks to be me
[09:39:42] 	 Have Wynthyst use it and see if there's anyting odd in the raw data coming into his machine.
[09:39:57] 	 windows telnet + HTTP = not fun
[09:40:06] 	 lol
[09:40:18] 	 you know there are windows ports of netcat...
[09:40:56] 	 I guessing a mismatched/old file version mixed with newer 1.18.1 stuff couldn't cause this?
[09:41:47] 	 the downloaded file showed headers in it
[09:42:07] 	 well, you can count on me to come up with bizarre problems
[09:42:08] 	 lol
[09:42:28] 	 New review: Hashar; "Note that bug 34341 is specific to the user icon. Issue raised on this commit should be part of the ..." [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: -2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3687
[09:42:30] 	 there's no way MediaWiki could do that, not in a recent version of PHP
[09:42:47] 	 it must be a broken CGI or some network device
[09:45:57] 	 I love it when I can even confound the experts
[09:45:59] 	 lol
[09:47:01] 	 have a good night guys
[09:47:05] 	 and thanks again 
[09:47:31] 	 night
[09:47:31] 	 New patchset: Hashar; "* (bug 34212) ApiBlock/ApiUnblock allow action to take place without a token parameter present" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3434
[09:47:53] 	 New review: Hashar; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3434
[09:47:56] 	 Change merged: Hashar; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3434
[09:48:13] 	 03(NEW) MathJax allows more commands than texvc - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35481 normal; MediaWiki extensions: Math (texvc); (listenleser)
[09:48:24] 	 I created a new namespace called "Project12". How do I add a page to that namespace? a bit confused..  My mediaWiki url form is index.php?title=Main_Page
[09:49:41] 	 1. go to the main page
[09:49:42] 	 2. click edit
[09:49:58] 	 3. in the big text box type: [[Project12:Some page title]]
[09:50:01] 	 4. click save
[09:50:13] 	 then there will be a red link that says "Project12:Some page title"
[09:50:19] 	 TimStarling: thx, I'll try that now
[09:50:32] 	 click that red link, it will create the page
[09:50:50] 	 Can someone answer my question? :)
[09:51:31] 	 Sid-G: yes
[09:51:44] 	 :)
[09:52:02] 	 get the list of all protected pages with list=protectedtitles
[09:52:07] 	 I was able to get out the list of protected pages i need
[09:52:13] 	 then query them in batches to find out their last edit date
[09:52:25] 	 yeah, how do i do the batch thingy
[09:52:48] 	 titles=x|y|z
[09:52:50] 	 i'm working manually here, no scripts with me now
[09:53:04] 	 actually you can do that in a single query
[09:53:11] 	 do that for 500 pages at once?
[09:53:43] 	 wait, a single query?
[09:54:01] * Sid-G  shuts up and waits
[09:56:08] 	 no, not for 500 pages at once
[09:56:22] 	 Btw categories cannot fall into a certain namespace, they all are in the "Category" namespace?
[09:56:35] 	 ok, thnx :)
[09:57:35] 	 you need to use the query-continue parameter
[09:58:38] 	 New patchset: QChris; "Closing dump buffers on stream end" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3730
[09:58:47] 	 ok
[09:59:31] 	 I'm trying to figure out the exact incantation to do a revision query with generator=protectedtitles but it's not quite working
[10:00:09] 	 protectedtitles is for protected titles I'm talking about protected pages
[10:00:26] 	 i did this:
[10:00:27] 	 action=query&prop=revisions&rvprop=timestamp&list=allpages&apprlevel=sysop&apprexpiry=indefinite&aplimit=500
[10:00:33] 	 uh, sorry
[10:00:47] 	 this:
[10:00:48] 	 action=query&list=allpages&apprlevel=sysop&apprexpiry=indefinite&aplimit=500
[10:01:19] 	 Cant I just feed this list as-is to the API to get the timestamps?
[10:04:16] 	 yes, maybe with a little bit of reformatting
[10:04:53] 	 manual reformatting in a text processor?
[10:06:04] 	 ok, it seems i got every page listed twice here
[10:06:45] 	 any idea why that happened?
[10:06:50] 	 New patchset: Santhosh; "Add support for contenteditable divs. - For browser independent handling of selection and range, uses rangy library - Qunit tests - Fixes Bug 34220" [mediawiki/extensions/Narayam] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3731
[10:07:15] 	 you will probably need to write a script
[10:07:29] 	 hmm
[10:07:32] 	 in which lang?
[10:08:50] 	 03(ASSIGNED) Narayam not working in contenteditable div - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34220  (10Santhosh Thottingal)
[10:08:59] 	 03(mod) Write git localization import scripts for translatewiki.net - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34137  +comment (10Siebrand)
[10:09:03] 	 http://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&pageids=18938265|1578140|3582672&prop=revisions&rvprop=timestamp
[10:09:23] 	 that has all the information you need, right?
[10:09:32] 	 you just need to feed in the page IDs
[10:09:40] 	 language is up to you
[10:09:53] 	 hmm, ok
[10:10:42] 	 03(mod) Narayam not working in contenteditable div - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34220  +comment (10Santhosh Thottingal)
[10:11:04] 	 New review: Hashar; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3730
[10:13:38] 	 I could do the same with page names, right?
[10:16:17] 	 TimStarling, any ideas why could function's execution time be much larger than sum of its parts https://graphite.wikimedia.org/dashboard/MobileFrontend-DOMParse ?
[10:18:03] 	 maybe it's recursive but the parts are not
[10:20:21] 	 or maybe there's some part that you're not profiling
[10:20:40] 	 or maybe there is a profiling error which is causing huge amounts of subsequent processing to be counted as being inside DOMParse
[10:21:51] 	 it's not recursive. the only part not being profiled is htmlspecialchars on title
[10:22:10] 	 so bogus profiling sounds attractive
[10:22:48] 	 but the appearance of this bug correllates with MF update :|
[10:24:06] 	 yep, there it is: Profiling error: in(OutputPage::output), out(ExtMobileFrontend::DOMParse)
[10:24:37] 	 Profiling error: in(ExtMobileFrontend::DOMParse-filter), out(HtmlFormatter::filterContent)
[10:24:55] 	 see the bottom of http://noc.wikimedia.org/cgi-bin/report.py?db=all&sort=real&limit=5000
[10:26:11] 	 03(mod) git-review for branches - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35456  +comment (10Marcin Cieślak)
[10:27:46] 	 TimStarling, thanks
[10:34:08] 	 03(NEW) Add Patroller & Autopatroller groups on ml.wikisource - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35482 enhancement; Wikimedia: Site requests; (vssun9)
[10:34:42] 	 03(mod) Add Patroller & Autopatroller groups on ml.wikisource - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35482   +shell (10p858snake)
[10:45:38] 	 New patchset: MaxSem; "Profiling fixes" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3732
[10:52:39] 	 New review: Santhosh; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/Narayam] (master) C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3514
[10:56:36] 	 santhosh: :D
[10:59:31] 	 Hi Sid-G! :-)
[11:00:32] 	 Hi IWorld :)
[11:01:42] 	 03(mod) #set_recurring_event doesn't work with unit=month or unit=year - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35453  +comment (10Jeroen De Dauw)
[11:23:21] 	 03netbrain *  10/trunk/extensions/Maps/ (14 files in 8 dirs): Merge branch 'backup'
[11:34:19] 	 Change abandoned: Santhosh; "Abandoning this since this depends on an abandoned commit. To be resubmitted by creating a branch" [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3369
[11:36:09] 	 New review: ArielGlenn; "(no comment)" [operations/dumps] (ariel); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3274
[11:36:12] 	 Change merged: ArielGlenn; [operations/dumps] (ariel) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3274
[11:39:54] 	 New review: ArielGlenn; "(no comment)" [operations/dumps] (ariel); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3519
[11:39:57] 	 Change merged: ArielGlenn; [operations/dumps] (ariel) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3519
[11:41:53] 	 New review: ArielGlenn; "(no comment)" [operations/dumps] (ariel); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3293
[11:41:55] 	 Change merged: ArielGlenn; [operations/dumps] (ariel) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3293
[11:56:13] 	 New patchset: Catrope; "Add tree synchronization for replace" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3735
[11:58:10] 	 03netbrain *  10/trunk/extensions/Maps/includes/services/GoogleMaps3/jquery.googlemap.js: fixed minor js issue
[11:58:39] 	 03jeroendedauw *  10/trunk/extensions/SemanticResultFormats/ (SRF_Messages.php Time/SRF_Time.php): applied modified patch by nischayn22
[11:59:51] 	 03(FIXED) SRF: The min and max math formats should work with dates and strings - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/26027  +comment (10Jeroen De Dauw)
[12:09:50] 	 New patchset: Santhosh; "Add a confirmation message before deleting an aggregate group" [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3737
[12:28:43] 	 03(mod) Allow for  thumbnail links to be overridden and point to both internal and external links. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34852  (10kim)
[12:31:03] 	 03(mod) tweak gerrit IRC bot to be less verbose in #mediawiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35427  +comment (10Chad H.)
[12:36:25] 	 Is it possible to have : "$wgGroupPermissions['*']['read'] = true;"  and make protected pages with read restrictions ? (default protected page interface only allow to limit to edit and rename)
[12:36:54] 	 03(mod) tweak gerrit IRC bot to be less verbose in #mediawiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35427  +comment (10IWorld (V. G.))
[12:41:39] 	 New review: Hashar; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master); V: 1 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3517
[12:41:42] 	 Change merged: Hashar; [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3517
[12:41:42] 	 03(FIXED) Set up Gerrit project owner group for MediaWiki core + WMF-deployed extensions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35148  +comment (10Chad H.)
[12:42:53] 	 03(NEW) "order=rand", "order=random" should be supported in #ask - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35483 normal; MediaWiki extensions: Semantic MediaWiki; (yaron57)
[12:43:40] 	 sumanah: the page how to become mediawiki hacker is improved a lot.Awesome work!
[12:43:55] 	 sumanah: i am seeing after so many days and i can see the change
[12:44:12] 	 thank you potter :-) guillom did a lot of that work
[12:44:30] 	 guillom: Awesome work. Congrats!
[12:45:02] 	 glad it's useful
[12:45:24] 	 03(mod) Triage Git conversion issues wiki pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34349  +comment (10Chad H.)
[12:47:51] 	 guillom: :)
[12:48:01] 	 New review: Demon; "(no comment)" [test/mediawiki/core] (REL1_19); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3711
[12:48:03] 	 Change merged: Demon; [test/mediawiki/core] (REL1_19) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3711
[12:48:40] 	 New review: Demon; "(no comment)" [test/mediawiki/extensions/examples] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3690
[12:48:42] 	 Change merged: Demon; [test/mediawiki/extensions/examples] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3690
[12:48:47] 	 New review: Demon; "(no comment)" [test/mediawiki/core] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3704
[12:48:50] 	 Change merged: Demon; [test/mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3704
[12:48:58] 	 New review: Demon; "(no comment)" [test/mediawiki/core] (REL1_19); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3705
[12:49:20] 	 03(NEW) Error in Narayam more input menu - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35484 minor; MediaWiki extensions: Narayam; (l.rabinelli+bugzilla)
[12:49:37] 	 New review: Demon; "(no comment)" [test/mediawiki/core] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3706
[12:49:40] 	 Change merged: Demon; [test/mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3706
[12:49:58] 	 New review: Demon; "(no comment)" [test/mediawiki/core] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3707
[12:50:00] 	 Change merged: Demon; [test/mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3707
[12:50:25] 	 New review: Demon; "(no comment)" [test/mediawiki/core] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3708
[12:50:28] 	 Change merged: Demon; [test/mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3708
[12:51:31] 	 New review: Hashar; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/AbuseFilter] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3436
[12:51:35] 	 New review: Demon; "(no comment)" [test/mediawiki/core] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3709
[12:51:42] 	 New review: Demon; "(no comment)" [test/mediawiki/core] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3710
[12:52:04] 	 New review: Demon; "(no comment)" [test/mediawiki/core] (REL1_19); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3712
[12:52:07] 	 Change merged: Demon; [test/mediawiki/core] (REL1_19) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3712
[12:52:26] 	 New review: Demon; "(no comment)" [test/mediawiki/core] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3713
[12:52:28] 	 Change merged: Demon; [test/mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3713
[12:52:35] 	 New review: Demon; "(no comment)" [test/mediawiki/core] (REL1_19); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3714
[12:52:38] 	 Change merged: Demon; [test/mediawiki/core] (REL1_19) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3714
[12:52:50] 	 New review: Demon; "(no comment)" [test/mediawiki/core] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3718
[12:53:30] 	 New review: Hashar; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/AbuseFilter] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3437
[12:53:40] 	 it's nice to see some volunteers in https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#q,status:open,p,001be19800000da9 :-)
[12:54:18] 	 New review: Hashar; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/AbuseFilter] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3439
[12:55:25] 	 New patchset: Liangent; "(bug 35378) Support multiple collations at the same time" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3367
[12:56:27] 	 New review: Hashar; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/AbuseFilter] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3438
[12:57:56] 	 brb
[12:59:30] 	 Change abandoned: Liangent; "Seems nothing new has been committed?" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3367
[13:02:45] 	 Change restored: Catrope; "I don't know what you're talking about, there are all sorts of differences between patchset 1 and pa..." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3367
[13:03:55] 	 New patchset: Liangent; "(bug 35378) Support multiple collations at the same time" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3367
[13:05:03] 	 03(mod) tweak gerrit IRC bot to be less verbose in #mediawiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35427  +comment (10Chad H.)
[13:05:07] 	 RoanKattouw: 
[13:05:23] 	 what's the status of gerrit 3367?
[13:05:47] 	 I have no idea
[13:06:02] 	 I was just commenting to say that the diff between patchset1 and patchset2 was not zero
[13:06:12] 	 You said something about "nothing new"?
[13:06:21] 	 yeah I really found nothing
[13:06:25] 	 what's the difference?
[13:06:49] 	 Do you see the dropdown marked with "Old Version History" ?
[13:06:52] 	 Set that to Patch Set 2
[13:06:58] 	 Then you can see the diff between patchsets 2 and 3
[13:07:30] 	 RoanKattouw: nothing happens when I select an option from the dropdown
[13:07:42] 	 liangent: It should use AJAX to change the diff list
[13:07:50] 	 Click "Unified" next to one of the files
[13:08:00] 	 It should take you to a diff view, and there should be a table with radio buttons on top
[13:09:00] 	 hmm it updates the table without any notice
[13:09:51] 	 RoanKattouw: these are commands I was using:
[13:10:05] 	 first I updated code: git commit
[13:10:06] 	 03(FIXED) [[Special:Checkuser/foo]] should prefill the username or IP address field with "foo" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31793  -need-review +reviewed; +comment (10Grunny)
[13:10:17] 	 New review: Demon; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/ProofreadPage] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3467
[13:10:26] 	 then rebase to see if there're any conflict: git rebase master
[13:10:39] 	 seems no conflict: git review
[13:10:49] 	 now changeset 2 is created.
[13:11:12] 	 Oh, it might be that 1 and 2 are different just because of the rebase
[13:11:39] 	 The same change based off a different commit will have a different SHA-1
[13:12:03] 	 then next, I found my new change is not submitted to I go to the web page and clicked abandon
[13:12:23] 	 New review: Demon; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/ProofreadPage] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3465
[13:12:32] 	 New review: Demon; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/ProofreadPage] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3466
[13:12:34] 	 then I thought gerrit or git-review cannot handle 2 commits in a single changeset
[13:12:44] 	 Oh, you're right, it can't
[13:12:48] 	 You have to --amend the commit
[13:12:49] 	 so I typed: git rebase -I HEAD~2
[13:12:51] 	 join #wikimedia-labs
[13:12:54] 	 gah
[13:12:58] 	 and squashed the second to the first
[13:13:02] 	 Oh, you squashed them?
[13:13:06] 	 then: git review
[13:13:20] 	 Yeah that should have created patchset 3
[13:13:21] 	 yeah I squashed them later and then pushed for review
[13:13:35] 	 patchset 3 is a result of squash
[13:13:53] 	 OK
[13:14:01] 	 Does the diff between "Base" and "Patchset 3" look sane?
[13:14:06] 	 New review: Demon; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/Math] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3719
[13:14:08] 	 Change merged: Demon; [mediawiki/extensions/Math] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3719
[13:14:46] 	 New review: Demon; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/Math] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3720
[13:14:50] 	 Change merged: Demon; [mediawiki/extensions/Math] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3720
[13:15:00] 	 sane
[13:16:44] 	 New review: Demon; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/FlaggedRevs] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3453
[13:17:27] 	 New review: Demon; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/FlaggedRevs] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3452
[13:18:07] 	 New review: Demon; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/FlaggedRevs] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3451
[13:19:06] 	 hi hexmode, good morning.
[13:19:10] 	 Glad you got your phone back!
[13:23:07] 	 New review: Liangent; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/core] (master) C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3367
[13:25:11] 	 New review: Liangent; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3367
[13:35:54] 	 https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#q,status:open,n,z -- today's Antoine's 20% day and I see he's been on the march!  https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#q,reviewer:hashar,n,z
[13:36:46] * Daniel_WMDE  wants a 20% day. instead he has 120% weeks.
[13:41:04] * RoanKattouw  lols at liangent's insanely long local branch name
[13:41:07] 	 sumanah, which is the period for mentors to be accepted (or not) at the site of GSoC?
[13:41:42] 	 Raylton: between now and when we accept students, which is mid-April.
[13:42:00] 	 Raylton: so, before April 23rd.
[13:42:12] 	 there's no bug number to use...
[13:42:44] 	 Raylton: I know I haven't accepted your request yet
[13:43:24] 	 should I report issues seen on wmf gerrit in wmbugz or gerrit googlecode?
[13:43:43] 	 liangent: Depends, what's the bug?
[13:44:07] 	 Who maintains Jenkins btw? hashar?
[13:44:10] 	 login dialog is not usable in android's browser
[13:44:26] 	 Raylton: have you been able to log into Gerrit and use it?
[13:44:27] 	 it always moves out of screen when a textbox is focused
[13:44:30] 	 Jarry1250: yes
[13:44:35] 	 Jarry1250: hashar and ^demon 
[13:45:05] 	 Cool, I just noticed a tiny glitch, would only take a few seconds to rectify (will check I can repro)
[13:45:09] 	 thx
[13:45:31] 	 liangent: That's a Gerrit bug, file that in the Google Code thingy
[13:46:04] <^demon>	 Jarry1250: We're looking at upgrading jenkins soon, once hashar and I are a little bit less busy with Git stuff.
[13:46:23] <^demon>	 RoanKattouw: Is Gerrit doing GSoC?
[13:46:27] * ^demon  grins evilly
[13:46:34] 	 ^demon: MWAHAHAH
[13:46:36] 	 I don't know
[13:46:42] 	 ^demon: Cool. I meant as well tell you anyway though, I guess. On https://integration.mediawiki.org/ci/job/MediaWiki-GIT-Fetching/47/ and similar, the gerrit link is missing a "/r/".
[13:47:02] 	 *might as well
[13:47:06] 	 https://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2012
[13:47:34] 	 03(mod) Installer should guide to setting up up UPLOAD ("/images") folder too - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35277  +comment (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[13:47:48] <^demon>	 Hmm, I don't see gerrit or anything relevant under google or android.
[13:48:00] 	 ^demon: https://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/org/google/gsoc2012/gospo
[13:48:17] <^demon>	 Ah, maybe that :)
[13:48:50] 	 liangent: Wait, did you just say the Gerrit login doesn't work in ANDROID?
[13:48:53] 	 That's very ironic
[13:48:55] 	 yeah, that's the office a student goes to if you want to work on Google stuff or if you have a mentor and want to work on an oddball project with no mentoring org
[13:49:06] 	 RoanKattouw: I also heard it sucks in Chrome
[13:49:12] 	 given that Gerrit was written as the review tool for Android
[13:49:27] 	 and where's the G+ integration?
[13:49:28] <^demon>	 sumanah: It works for me in Chrome and Android browser.
[13:49:33] 	 never mind then
[13:49:58] <^demon>	 Although I'm running Android ICS.
[13:49:58] 	 	login dialog is not usable in android's browser
[13:50:04] <^demon>	 Haven't checked in 2.x
[13:51:03] 	 Reedy: what is the status of shorturl? just waiting on deployment, right?
[13:51:13] 	 New review: Catrope; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3739
[13:51:15] 	 Change merged: Catrope; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3739
[13:51:37] * sumanah  is sort of joking around re Google product management stuff
[13:51:46] 	 ok how do i insert a single quote I actually need to insert 2 right next to each other and I've tried '''' but it seems to be making everything after that bold
[13:52:04] 	 ^demon: http://code.google.com/p/gerrit/issues/detail?id=1304&thanks=1304&ts=1332769872
[13:52:35] 	 dorgan: I don't think you can do two right next to each other
[13:52:45] <^demon>	 No, you can't.
[13:52:49] 	 dorgan: you can do a single one
[13:52:57] 	 Can't you do like '' or something?
[13:52:57] <^demon>	 You could do it with some html entities.
[13:53:00] <^demon>	 Or that
[13:53:01] 	 yeah to me that sounds like a bug
[13:53:04] * YuviPanda  finds a wall to bang his head on
[13:53:06] 	 Yeah or use << that should work
[13:53:10] 	 not a single proper js templating library
[13:53:11] 	 gah
[13:53:23] 	 03(NEW) Warning on page deletion if page is linked to - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35485 enhancement; MediaWiki: Deleting; (subfader)
[13:53:31] 	 dorgan: it isn't a bug, It's a feature!
[13:53:35] 	 yeah
[13:53:36] 	 lol
[13:53:38] <^demon>	 !b 13227
[13:53:39] 	 https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13227
[13:54:06] <^demon>	 "The last guy who ventured in to Parser::doAllQuotes() was not seen again for three weeks, assumed by his loved ones to have met his doom in the teeth of a hungry pair of angle brackets. He came out alive, but he still has terrifying flashbacks, years later. So changing your expectations might be easier."
[13:54:47] 	 also, mw is not a mind reader
[13:54:49] 	 :)
[13:55:10] 	 closed as 'mediawiki not a mind reader'?
[13:55:11] 	 :)
[13:55:33] 	 03(NEW) Make Special:Whatlinkshere includable - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35486 enhancement; MediaWiki: Special pages; (subfader)
[13:56:09] 	 sumanah: can you please look into my request for gerrit account, i need to submit patchesfor the UploadWizard extension 
[13:56:26] 	 *patches for 
[13:56:26] 	 drecodeam: sure, I will be doing a sweep through the to-create Gerrit accounts today, sorry for the wait
[13:58:16] 	 Wow this has been a bug since 2008 and no one has fixed it?? I might actually have to move our wiki platform to another wiki because of it
[13:58:37] 	 It's probably been a bug since long before 2008
[13:58:47] 	 dorgan: we'll miss you
[13:58:56] 	 Two single quotes is syntax for italics, so of course having two literal single quotes is gonna be slightly difficult
[13:59:03] 	 Hmm, wouldn't '' work?
[13:59:21] 	 RoanKattouw: IN fact it does!! Thanks!!
[13:59:35] 	 its fine, also i have been working on UploadWizard for my GSoC project, i have started talking to suggested mentor kaldari, but i have not dropped a mail on the mailing list regarding that 
[14:00:03] 	 should i ?
[14:01:06] 	 drecodeam: you should
[14:01:10] 	 drecodeam: yes, that's a good idea
[14:01:20] 	 if you do things in public then you increase the chances that someone can help you
[14:02:54] 	 sumanah: ok i will do it, also the extension was made by NeilK, but i don seem to find him on IRC ever 
[14:03:12] 	 i had to ask him about some comments in the code 
[14:03:15] 	 drecodeam: Neil K no longer works with the Wikimedia Foundation and I think he's taking a break from MediaWiki projects
[14:03:25] 	 New patchset: Hashar; "Documentation" [mediawiki/extensions/AbuseFilter] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3436
[14:03:26] 	 New patchset: Hashar; "A LOT of function level documentation" [mediawiki/extensions/AbuseFilter] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3437
[14:03:27] 	 New patchset: Hashar; "More documentation stubs" [mediawiki/extensions/AbuseFilter] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3438
[14:03:28] 	 New patchset: Hashar; "Few more types top flesh out the previous revisions" [mediawiki/extensions/AbuseFilter] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3439
[14:03:34] 	 drecodeam: maybe you could post some questions about those comments to wikitech-l
[14:04:08] 	 sumanah: ohh ok, ya i think i would do that only now 
[14:04:35] 	 New code comment: Nikerabbit; {{messagedocumentation}}; 
[14:11:42] 	 New review: Hashar; "Patchset rebased to avoid being dependent upon https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3435" [mediawiki/extensions/AbuseFilter] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3436
[14:11:45] 	 Change merged: Hashar; [mediawiki/extensions/AbuseFilter] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3436
[14:12:11] 	 New review: Hashar; "Patchset rebased to avoid being dependent upon https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3435" [mediawiki/extensions/AbuseFilter] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3437
[14:12:14] 	 Change merged: Hashar; [mediawiki/extensions/AbuseFilter] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3437
[14:12:40] 	 New review: Hashar; "Patchset rebased to avoid being dependent upon https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3435" [mediawiki/extensions/AbuseFilter] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3438
[14:12:43] 	 Change merged: Hashar; [mediawiki/extensions/AbuseFilter] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3438
[14:13:01] 	 New review: Hashar; "Patchset rebased to avoid being dependent upon https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3435" [mediawiki/extensions/AbuseFilter] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3439
[14:13:04] 	 Change merged: Hashar; [mediawiki/extensions/AbuseFilter] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3439
[14:13:18] 	 03(mod) Installer should guide to setting up up UPLOAD ("/images") folder too - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35277  +comment (10Jarry1250)
[14:19:40] 	 If I want to make a patch that alters a WMF-deployed extension and core code, how should I package it for gerrit?
[14:20:56] 	 As two separate patches
[14:21:01] * hashar  merges changes
[14:21:03] 	 Each extension is in a separate repository
[14:23:19] 	 Sorry, internet went. 
[14:23:28] 	 [15:19]	Jarry1250	If I want to make a patch that alters a WMF-deployed extension and core code, how should I package it for gerrit?
[14:23:29] 	 [15:20]	Jarry1250	I'm not sure I can make it so they don't both have to be merged (or tested) at the same time.
[14:23:35] 	 RoanKattouw	As two separate patches
[14:23:37] 	 RoanKattouw	Each extension is in a separate repository
[14:23:50] 	 Ah, thanks. Can I join them in Gerrit though?
[14:23:56] 	 You should explicitly indicate that they depend on each other
[14:23:58] 	 No, you can't
[14:24:20] 	 However, in most cases you should be able to make only one of them depend on the other and not vice versa, right?
[14:24:26] * IWorld  is away
[14:24:27] 	 sumanah: just CC'd you on the 1.5 bugs for 1.19 tarball.... now looking at bz patch -> gerrit :)
[14:24:34] 	 Thank you hexmode!
[14:24:42] 	 "1.5 bugs" - nice :-)
[14:24:44] 	 e.g. if you add a hook in core (change A) and use that hook in an extension (change B), then B depends on A but A doesn't depend on anything
[14:25:29] 	 sumanah: the .5 is "I don't think Krinkle will say this is fixable for 1.19"
[14:25:59] 	 ohhoahaoaha I hate i18n
[14:26:09] 	 what's wrong with i18n?
[14:26:22] 	 cause me conflicts while rebasing / bissecting
[14:26:23] 	 :-(
[14:26:31] 	 Roan: Yeah, I can try to anyway :)
[14:26:35] * hashar  amend
[14:26:44] 	 03jeroendedauw *  10/trunk/extensions/SemanticResultFormats/SRF_Messages.php: Follow up to r114486; fi typo and add qqq
[14:27:01] 	 New code comment: Jeroen De Dauw; Fixed in follow up; 
[14:29:24] 	 hi TrevorParscal - feeling better?
[14:29:39] 	 yes but still in pain
[14:29:54] 	 New review: ArielGlenn; "got through the first batch, I think they're ok." [operations/dumps] (ariel); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3424
[14:29:57] 	 Change merged: ArielGlenn; [operations/dumps] (ariel) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3424
[14:30:02] 	 on maximum dose of ibuprofen atm - just trying to stay off Norco
[14:30:16] 	 New review: ArielGlenn; "(no comment)" [operations/dumps] (ariel); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3425
[14:30:19] 	 Change merged: ArielGlenn; [operations/dumps] (ariel) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3425
[14:30:27] 	 Norco makes me really dumb and useless
[14:30:33] 	 TrevorParscal: that's tough.  what are you eating? I was able to get away with overcooked ravioli
[14:30:56] 	 my partner also made me yummy banana pudding, and good mashed potatoes
[14:31:09] 	 New review: ArielGlenn; "(no comment)" [operations/dumps] (ariel); V: 1 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3426
[14:31:15] 	 well, the problem is when I'm on the Norco that crap works so well I was eating a lot of stuff I probably shouldn't have been
[14:31:24] 	 New review: ArielGlenn; "(no comment)" [operations/dumps] (ariel); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3426
[14:31:26] 	 but at the moment, yogurt and smoothies
[14:31:27] 	 Change merged: ArielGlenn; [operations/dumps] (ariel) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3426
[14:31:31] 	 I got groceries for him, so I can answer that question: ice cream
[14:31:37] 	 Lots of ice cream
[14:31:39] 	 oh, yeah, and that
[14:31:41] 	 of course!
[14:31:42] 	 New review: ArielGlenn; "(no comment)" [operations/dumps] (ariel); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3427
[14:31:44] 	 Change merged: ArielGlenn; [operations/dumps] (ariel) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3427
[14:32:22] 	 New review: ArielGlenn; "(no comment)" [operations/dumps] (ariel); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3428
[14:32:24] 	 Change merged: ArielGlenn; [operations/dumps] (ariel) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3428
[14:32:40] 	 New review: ArielGlenn; "(no comment)" [operations/dumps] (ariel); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3429
[14:32:42] 	 Change merged: ArielGlenn; [operations/dumps] (ariel) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3429
[14:33:14] 	 New patchset: Hashar; "Fix for bug 12500, almost reviewed there." [mediawiki/extensions/AntiSpoof] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3410
[14:33:15] 	 New review: ArielGlenn; "(no comment)" [operations/dumps] (ariel); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3430
[14:33:16] 	 Change merged: ArielGlenn; [operations/dumps] (ariel) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3430
[14:33:26] 	 03(mod) Some filenames fail with 'unknown-error:unknown-warning' on first step - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/30646  +comment (10drecodeam)
[14:34:00] 	 TrevorParscal: Hello, good to see you again!
[14:34:06] 	 TrevorParscal: you just moved me to reread http://www.jwz.org/gruntle/wisdom-teeth.html
[14:34:14] * sumanah  goes back to creating labs accounts
[14:34:28] 	 New review: ArielGlenn; "(no comment)" [operations/dumps] (ariel); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3431
[14:34:31] 	 Change merged: ArielGlenn; [operations/dumps] (ariel) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3431
[14:34:38] * sumanah  kind of wants mashed potatoes now
[14:34:49] 	 New review: ArielGlenn; "(no comment)" [operations/dumps] (ariel); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3432
[14:34:52] 	 Change merged: ArielGlenn; [operations/dumps] (ariel) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3432
[14:35:07] 	 03(NEW) No fallback data user from CLDR for Portuguese - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35487 normal; MediaWiki: Internationalization; (malafaya)
[14:39:27] 	 sumanah: got the account, thanks for it. 
[14:39:49] 	 drecodeam: you are welcome, sorry for the wait.  I have been trying to take weekends off.  
[14:40:11] 	 sumanah: If you're succeeding at taking weekends off, the next step is to stop apologizing for it ;)
[14:40:25] 	 sumanah: +1 to RoanKattouw, thanks a lot 
[14:40:27] 	 New patchset: Hashar; "Fix targets by using late static binding" [mediawiki/extensions/AntiSpoof] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3408
[14:40:38] 	 RoanKattouw: :-) what I am actually apologizing for, I think, is setting up a system where I am a bottleneck.  I needn't be the only person who makes these accounts
[14:40:45] 	 That's true
[14:40:58] 	 delegate!
[14:41:06] 	 Ryan, Sara, Chad, Sam, Tim, DanielZ, and RobL can
[14:41:26] 	 New review: Hashar; "Squashed in https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3408 since this change is just amending 3408 :)" [mediawiki/extensions/AntiSpoof] (master); V: 0 C: -2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3409
[14:41:39] 	 Change abandoned: Hashar; "Squashed in https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3408" [mediawiki/extensions/AntiSpoof] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3409
[14:42:02] 	 New review: Hashar; "Patchset 2 squash in change https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3409" [mediawiki/extensions/AntiSpoof] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3408
[14:42:45] 	 03(UNCONFIRMED) No fallback data user from CLDR for Portuguese - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35487  +comment (10Niklas Laxström)
[14:44:02] 	 New code comment: Hashar; This revision is now in Gerrit https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3408; 
[14:44:02] 	 New code comment: Hashar; This revision is now in Gerrit https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3408; 
[14:44:04] 	 New review: Hashar; "This make the extensions depend on PHP 5.3.x which we do not support in core." [mediawiki/extensions/AntiSpoof] (master); V: -1 C: -2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3408
[14:44:39] 	 New review: schmir; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/Collection] (master) C: 1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3443
[14:44:44] 	 New review: ArielGlenn; "(no comment)" [operations/dumps] (ariel); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3523
[14:44:46] 	 Change merged: ArielGlenn; [operations/dumps] (ariel) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3523
[14:45:37] 	 ^demon: is there a way to list users in gerrit ? 
[14:45:54] 	 I am looking for awjrichards account to add it as a reviewer
[14:46:28] 	 hashar: search by email address :-/
[14:46:52] 	 he might just not have any emails :-D
[14:46:57] 	 err any account
[14:47:07] 	 no, he's in there
[14:47:49] 	 hashar: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#q,reviewer:arichards%2540wikimedia.org,n,z
[14:48:07] 	 ohh
[14:48:14] 	 gerrit suddenly found him :-}
[14:48:53] 	 gerrit can be slow at this
[14:49:05] 	 New review: Hashar; "I have added Aaron and Arthur as reviewers so they can have their word about Late Static Binding usa..." [mediawiki/extensions/AntiSpoof] (master); V: -1 C: -2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3408
[14:49:11] 	 done!
[14:51:29] 	 03jeroendedauw *  10/trunk/extensions/SemanticResultFormats/ (SRF_Messages.php Tree/SRF_Tree.php): added missing messages
[14:51:47] 	 ok, now everyone who has requested a Gerrit account has one
[14:52:02] <^demon>	 hashar: https://groups.google.com/group/repo-discuss/msg/c426b6a83400b58e?dmode=source
[14:52:41] 	 ^demon: of course gsql … Still have to have to take a look at that one :D
[14:52:45] 	 thanks!
[14:52:51] 	 gsql??? what madness is this
[14:53:02] <^demon>	 It's one of the gerrit command line tools available to admins
[14:53:03] 	 Change merged: Reha Sterbin; [mediawiki/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3422
[14:53:04] 	 Change merged: Reha Sterbin; [mediawiki/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3421
[14:53:04] * sumanah  learns
[14:53:05] 	 Change merged: Reha Sterbin; [mediawiki/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3420
[14:53:06] 	 let you sql query the database backend behind gerrit
[14:53:07] 	 I think
[14:54:46] 	 New review: Nikerabbit; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/Narayam] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3731
[14:54:51] 	 ^demon: http://opensourcebridge.org/proposals/864 makes me think "no, don't talk about becoming a leader, talk about configuration management!" and I thought of you because of http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Configuration_database :-)
[14:55:56] 	 sumanah: interested in my evil plans? http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikidata/Notes/ContentHandler
[14:55:58] <^demon>	 :)
[14:56:05] 	 i think i told you about this before... noiw it's official
[14:56:27] 	 Daniel_WMDE: I actually just forwarded this to wikitext-l from your wikitech-l post
[14:56:45] 	 Daniel_WMDE: and maybe you did tell me sometime when I was out of my mind with sleep deprivation at some conference or other
[14:56:57] 	 hehe, quite possibly :)
[14:57:07] 	 ah, yea, just saw your forward
[14:57:21] 	 it'S marginally relevant to wikitext-l, i guess
[14:57:26] 	 Daniel_WMDE: like, I have a vague memory of you talking about this some midnight in Haifa as I was half-listening and half-worrying about a stray dog 
[14:57:28] 	 03a_engels *  10/trunk/wikistats/squids/SquidCountArchive.pl: more recognizers for mobile traffic
[14:57:29] 	 would be a good mechanism for transition
[14:57:48] 	 hehe
[14:58:12] 	 this will fix EVERYTHING! it will solve ALL problems! including stray dogs!
[14:58:19] * sumanah  laughs
[14:58:29] 	 Just installed my first MediaWiki (the easy way, on DreamHost) and I have a noob question about LocalSettings.php: What should I change the permissions to, exactly? 
[14:58:31] 	 (Accessing via gftp - it gives me a bunch of checkboxes when I choose "Permissions".)
[14:58:52] 	 chrismcmahon: you mean the file permissions on LocalSettings.php, or the permissions for your wiki?
[14:58:58] 	 oh the former
[14:59:14] 	 Chriswaterguy: ^^
[14:59:29] 	 oh sorry Chrises.
[14:59:58] 	 :)
[15:00:06] 	 sumanah: I mean file permissions
[15:00:28] 	 sorry for being vague - the caffeine hasn't kicked in yet
[15:00:35] 	 Chriswaterguy: "as restrictive as possibly without breaking anything"
[15:00:51] 	 Chriswaterguy: try to enable only "read by user". see if the wiki works. if it does, good. leave it
[15:01:04] 	 Chriswaterguy: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:LocalSettings.php#Security 
[15:01:16] 	 Daniel_WMDE: sounds wise... out of curiosity, who is "user" in this context?
[15:01:24] 	 if you have to make the file world readable in order to make it work, complain to your host and tell them they suck.
[15:01:31] 	 :-)
[15:01:32] 	 Apache, right?
[15:01:43] 	 sumanah, Chriswaterguy: that's exactly the problem :) 
[15:01:54] 	 Chriswaterguy: no, you're about 800% more articulate than most people who come in asking installation questions :D
[15:02:34] 	 sumanah: if the file is after the upload owned by the same user account that is also used to run php scripts, all is good, and you can use restrictive permissions
[15:02:39] 	 but this is not always the case
[15:03:14] 	 sumanah: thanks :-). I've been helping find fixes for problems on Appropedia.org since about 2006, so I'm not a complete newb, but this is the first actual installation I've done myself.
[15:03:23] 	 btw Chriswaterguy I am going to now spam you a tiny bit:
[15:03:26] 	 !lists | Chriswaterguy 
[15:03:27] 	 Chriswaterguy: mediawiki-l and wikitech-l are the primary mailing lists for MediaWiki-related issues. See https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Mailing_lists for details.
[15:03:29] 	 And I use Linux, poorly, so I've learnt a few things there.
[15:03:30] 	 !events | Chriswaterguy 
[15:03:31] 	 Chriswaterguy: We run face-to-face events for MediaWiki developers and people who want to learn: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki_developer_meetings We also have online meetings in IRC to triage bugs: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Bug_management/Triage
[15:03:31] 	 if it's not the case, pretty much anyone on the server can read your config file, including your database password
[15:03:33] 	 which sucks
[15:03:33] 	 !howto | Chriswaterguy 
[15:03:34] 	 Chriswaterguy: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/How_to_become_a_MediaWiki_hacker
[15:03:40] 	 but can't always be avoided
[15:03:54] 	 Cool, thanks.
[15:04:00] * sumanah  looks at your 'pedia
[15:04:42] 	 1.17 ... looking to upgrade? 
[15:04:55] 	 I can give you a good deal on a trade-in :D
[15:05:07] 	 hehe
[15:05:17] 	 Chriswaterguy: btw, do you coop with these guys? http://www.grassrootswiki.org/index.php/Main_Page
[15:06:06] 	 sumanah :-) We're always keen on help with upgrading and such. 
[15:06:49] 	 Chriswaterguy: I can't directly help out in a hands-on way but folks here in #mediawiki and on mediawiki-l are of substantial help for any specific questions
[15:07:06] 	 sumanah: we've got the insane situation where the president of our foundation is this extremely gregarious and articulate person, with limited time, who spends way too much time on the server keeping the wiki afloat.
[15:07:09] 	 fortunately upgrading and installing have gotten easier and easier over time, thanks to the work of MediaWiki developers
[15:07:31] 	 Chriswaterguy: ! what kinds of trouble are you running into? performance, spam, diskspace....?
[15:07:44] 	 04(REOPENED) padleft: padright: and nowiki do not get on (guess same for all parser functions) UNIQ exposed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/22555  +comment (10Philippe Verdy)
[15:07:48] 	 sumanah: re: http://www.jwz.org/gruntle/wisdom-teeth.html - yeah, they didn't put me under general, I had local only, and they had to snap one of the teeth off my lower jaw and then grind my jaw down to smooth out the jagged remains
[15:07:49] 	 Daniel_WMDE: we've had some discussion with the grassrootswiki people. Tried to get them to join us, but no luck :-).
[15:08:14] 	 omg
[15:08:20] 	 sumanah: cool. Now I'm cutting my teeth on server side stuff I'll spend some time in here.
[15:08:36] 	 I may as well mention one more thing, Chriswaterguy --
[15:08:39] 	 !gsoc | Chriswaterguy 
[15:08:39] 	 Chriswaterguy: MediaWiki participates in the Google Summer of Code mentorship program. http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/GSoC Please read http://en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCStudentGuide/ if you're thinking of applying to GSoC.  Student applications will be accepted between March 26 and April 6.
[15:08:48] 	 in case you know any promising college kids
[15:08:58] 	 Chriswaterguy: too bad. they are run by some semi-governmental organisation, iirc... makes things difficult sometimes :)
[15:09:18] 	 sumanah: more site development issues. Lonny (president, mentioned above) spent a huge amount of time getting Semantic MediaWiki set up. (Turned out very cool, though.)
[15:09:54] 	 whoa
[15:10:00] 	 sumanah: indeed - looking forward to the latest versions with the fancy install wizard
[15:10:06] 	 :)
[15:10:45] 	 TrevorParscal: urgh. recently? hope you are feeling better.
[15:11:26] 	 Daniel_WMDE: three came out on the 16th, the last came out on the 19th
[15:11:48] 	 took a week for me to get to the point where I could function without taking opiate pain killers
[15:11:58] 	 sumanah- thanks, will check GSoC. We're actually looking for tech interns ourselves. Had one awesome intern last year.
[15:13:06] 	 Daniel_WMDE: Yes, that's always difficult, from what I've seen. We've stayed independent - set up an independent non-profit foundation, and I'm really glad for that.
[15:14:03] 	 Chriswaterguy: I am looking for a server/tech support job ATM
[15:14:50] 	 Since I'm a student, you dont have to pay me much :)
[15:14:51] 	 03(mod) LCStore is not handling transactions correctly - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35357  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[15:15:12] 	 JRWR: Cool - I have good news and bad news.
[15:15:42] 	 JRWR: the good news is, we'd be willing to pay you equal to the highest rate that anyone in the organization is paid. (I'm sure you can guess the bad news.)
[15:15:48] * sumanah  laughs aloud
[15:16:02] 	 03(mod) Pages with categories set via template may not appear (lagged) in the super categories - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35407  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[15:16:41] 	 JRWR: seriously though, if you're interested in an unpaid internship, let us know. Hopefully we'll get some funding for stipends by next year.
[15:16:58] 	 also JRWR - are you in college, high school, or other?
[15:17:01] 	 Chriswaterguy: if you dont mind remote work, I'm all for it,
[15:17:13] 	 sumanah: Advanced Training for TCU
[15:17:20] 	 sumanah: its a trade school,
[15:17:42] 	 TrevorParscal: ugh. well, at least it's over now. or is it?
[15:17:45] 	 what does tcu stand for? I am having trouble learning more via search engines
[15:17:50] 	 but, I did setup PCGamingWiki.com to survive a RedditDDoS 4 times on a single linode
[15:18:09] 	 sumanah: its a Railroad Union, its part of Job Corps
[15:18:10] 	 http://tcu.jobcorps.gov/ ?
[15:18:14] 	 neat!
[15:18:15] 	 yep
[15:18:20] 	 you're that other kind of engineer? :D
[15:18:40] 	 03(mod) html tags in the block log entry at Special:CentralAuth for all languages except English - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35411   +i18n (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[15:18:42] 	 Surviving a RedditDDoS was fun
[15:18:43] 	 03(NEW) bots.wmflabs.org no https - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35488 normal; Wikimedia Labs: Setup; (billinghurst)
[15:18:46] 	 150k hits in a day
[15:18:51] 	 on a mediawiki install
[15:18:55] 	 oh right, we talked before about your macho pride in robust scalability
[15:19:11] 	 Daniel_WMDE: well, still in pain but it's manageable with non opiate drugs now
[15:19:21] 	 ibuprofen only at this point
[15:19:33] 	 03(mod) padleft: padright: and nowiki do not get on (guess same for all parser functions) UNIQ exposed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/22555  +comment (10Philippe Verdy)
[15:20:04] 	 JRWR: Great! We're all about remote work. I'll stretch my IRC skills to the limit and try and send a private message ;-)
[15:20:39] 	 sumanah: that was a proud day, it was the most traffice ive ever seen
[15:20:51] 	 03(mod) Mobile view opt out cookie doesn't work within Chrome beta - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35413  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[15:23:39] * varnent  meanders in
[15:24:40] 	 hi varnent 
[15:25:02] * Chriswaterguy  notices this is friendlier than ##linux
[15:25:34] 	 I don't hang out there so -- how big a compliment is that really? :D
[15:26:36] 	 sumanah: greetings - ugh - too many absurd things happening in the world today to keep up!
[15:27:04] 	 varnent: I bet!  btw did you get a chance to respond to that student from wikitech-l whom I fwded you?
[15:27:39] 	 sumanah: no - but I'll go that today - sry about that - got distracted by Trayvon Martin and family hiccups  :)
[15:27:49] 	 *not related distractions
[15:28:08] 	 got it
[15:29:02] 	 ^demon: did you get the WMF branch setup ?
[15:29:05] 	 on git I mean
[15:29:19] 	 or is that pending a discussion about how we are going to make and use branches?
[15:29:27] 	 sumanah: my friends know I'm a big sweatshirt hoodie fan (which in the gay male community has another innuendo that doesn't apply..but I digress..) - so I suddenly got brought in for commentary and talking points on - of all things - hoodies  :|
[15:29:49] 	 !
[15:29:57] <^demon>	 hashar: Not yet, was gonna poke that this afternoon.
[15:30:15] 	 ok
[15:30:25] 	 I am going to switch back to Jenkins so
[15:30:26] 	 hashar: what's on your plate this week?
[15:30:47] 	 hashar: hmm, this is Jenkins with regards to the bot to run tests against all new changesets?
[15:30:52] 	 just had something like a 5 weeks pause on continuous integration
[15:31:01] 	 New review: ArielGlenn; "(no comment)" [operations/dumps] (ariel); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3665
[15:31:04] 	 Change merged: ArielGlenn; [operations/dumps] (ariel) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3665
[15:31:11] 	 ton of stuff is lagging out such as submitting jobs to testswarm, running lints, and tests
[15:31:25] 	 ^demon: this is kind of random question - is it possible to "tag" the stable branch in git so sysadmins can just checkout that "tag" and always be up to date..in theory..
[15:31:28] 	 New review: ArielGlenn; "(no comment)" [operations/dumps] (ariel); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3666
[15:31:31] 	 Change merged: ArielGlenn; [operations/dumps] (ariel) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3666
[15:31:54] 	 varnent: Hm.. not sure that's a good idea
[15:32:10] <^demon>	 Well, there's HEAD that points to master.
[15:32:13] 	 varnent: I'd say either run on master (which will be more stable than trunk was)
[15:32:32] 	 And if you want a release branch instead, you'll likely need to think consciously about upgrading to the next version
[15:32:37] 	 shouldn't happen without you knowing
[15:32:54] 	 Krinkle: hmm - that's a fair point - what is master pointing to now?  WM1.19?
[15:32:57] 	 *MW
[15:33:03] <^demon>	 master is 1.20alpha
[15:33:08] 	 trunk == master == 1.20^
[15:33:12] 	 gotcha
[15:33:14] 	 trunk doesn't exist anymore
[15:33:39] 	 so devo sites run master - production sites use checkout to jump between releases
[15:33:43] 	 production wikis should be on 1.18.x at this point in time 
[15:33:54] 	 yep
[15:34:09] <^demon>	 Yep, same basic premise as doing a svn switch.
[15:34:15] 	 excellent - ty - starting to get some sysadmins elsewhere asking questions - wanted to make sure I had that all clear in my head  :)
[15:34:16] 	 hashar: you said, "I am going to switch back to Jenkins...ton of stuff is lagging out such as submitting jobs to testswarm, running lints, and tests" ... I'm sympathetic to that but I want to check whether there is more Git stuff that needs doing first, like https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=35456
[15:34:20] <^demon>	 From a sysadmin's pov.
[15:34:49] 	 hashar: so later today I will do some Bugzilla crunching/issue triage/consolidation
[15:34:51] 	 is there a "simple" way to switch from svn to git for sysadmins - or basically clean up your directories..etc etc.
[15:35:05] 	 oh git-review with branches ..
[15:35:06] 	 hmm
[15:35:15] 	 need to test that
[15:38:00] 	 varnent: if you have /w/ with an svn-checkout, the easiest way is probably to clone mediawiki-core in /w2/,set wiki in read-only mode, copy extensions, LocalSettings and images into /w2/, 
[15:38:13] 	 then nuke /w/ and rename w2 to w?
[15:38:21] 	 Krinkle: makes sense
[15:38:26] 	 (or keep w as w1 to avoid breaking too soon)
[15:38:34] 	 database etc. can stay as is
[15:38:39] 	 right
[15:38:56] * varnent  contemplating how to word this to sysadmins in a wikipage..
[15:39:15] 	 you could change the local settings of w2 to change wgScriptPath to w2 and add a rewrite rule for /wiki2/ to /w2/index.php and test it before you make the switch
[15:39:28] 	 (and then revert the wgScriptPath change, and rename the directories)
[15:39:37] 	 Krinkle: that's just crazy talk  :)  j/k
[15:39:54] 	 basically the same as when you would upgrade a wiki.
[15:40:08] 	 right - which sadly some fear already
[15:40:21] 	 right
[15:40:22] 	 I actually think git will help with some (some..) of that
[15:41:30] 	 03(mod) padleft: padright: and nowiki do not get on (guess same for all parser functions) UNIQ exposed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/22555  +comment (10Philippe Verdy)
[15:42:05] 	 03(mod) Debug parameters don't work as expected - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35414  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[15:42:18] 	 03(mod) Link Option E should be in a larger font - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35415  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[15:42:33] 	 03(mod) On Chrome, Link Option E says only "Improve this" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35416  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[15:42:45] 	 03(mod) On Chrome in incognito mode, Link Option E has black lettering - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35417  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[15:43:45] 	 03(mod) On Safari, the link text is underlined for Link Option E - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35418  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[15:44:11] 	 03(mod) Link Option E disable flyover not working in FF 10.0.2 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35419  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[15:44:46] 	 03(mod) Clicktracking events sill using Phase 1 format - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35420  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[15:44:58] 	 03(mod) Link option IDs disappear from clicktracking events at the end of the Edit CTA funnel - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35421  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[15:45:00] 	 New patchset: Jarry1250; "First half of fix for bug #30332." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3740
[15:45:10] 	 New patchset: Hashar; "Merge "Change to be cherrypicked to REL1_19"" [test/mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3741
[15:45:37] 	 03(mod) Blank edit saves should not be logged as edit_success events - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35422  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[15:45:41] 	 Change abandoned: Hashar; "(no reason)" [test/mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3741
[15:46:09] 	 03(mod) Clicktracking version number should be > 0 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35423  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[15:46:21] 	 03(mod) Clicktracking event shows old form option and new clicktracking event format - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35424  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[15:46:49] 	 03(mod) Mobile version does not handle __NOINDEX__ - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35425  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[15:47:22] 	 03(mod) tweak gerrit IRC bot to be less verbose in #mediawiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35427  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[15:48:22] 	 03(mod) the Gerrit message "I would prefer that you didn't submit this" is very discouraging - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35406  +comment (10Chad H.)
[15:48:44] 	 New patchset: Jarry1250; "First half of fix for bug #30332 ("API spamblocklist error should provide *all* blocked URLs, not just one")." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3740
[15:50:24] 	 Jarry1250: Two first halves? ;)
[15:50:35] 	 Nah, that's an amend :P
[15:50:37] 	 Oh, wait, it's an amendment, never mind
[15:51:16] 	 Zeno's gitadox?
[15:57:31] 	 New patchset: Hashar; "yah testing file for confirmation" [test/mediawiki/core] (REL1_19) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3742
[15:59:06] 	 New patchset: Hashar; "yeah defaultbranch rocks" [test/mediawiki/core] (REL1_19) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3743
[15:59:52] 	 14(WFM) git-review for branches - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35456  +comment (10Antoine "hashar" Musso)
[15:59:56] 	 sumanah: yeah one git bug fixed ^^^^
[16:00:13] 	 hashar: thank you
[16:01:05] 	 03(mod) Vector 'user' icon is low-resolution - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35341  +comment (10Marcin Cieślak)
[16:01:34] 	 New patchset: Hashar; ".gitreview for REL1_19 branch" [mediawiki/core] (REL1_19) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3744
[16:02:21] 	 New patchset: Hashar; ".gitreview for REL1_18" [mediawiki/core] (REL1_18) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3745
[16:03:29] 	 New patchset: Hashar; ".gitreview for REL1_17 branch" [mediawiki/core] (REL1_17) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3746
[16:03:53] 	 New patchset: Hashar; ".gitreview for REL1_18 branch" [mediawiki/core] (REL1_18) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3745
[16:04:40] 	 03(mod) git-review for branches - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35456  +comment (10Antoine "hashar" Musso)
[16:05:31] 	 03(mod) Increase line height in headings for indic languages at multilingual projects - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35430  +comment (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[16:05:50] 	 New review: Hashar; "With a defaultbranch, people can get confused because git-review fallback to use master as a branch ..." [mediawiki/core] (REL1_19); V: 0 C: 1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3744
[16:05:54] 	 New review: Hashar; "With a defaultbranch, people can get confused because git-review fallback to use master as a branch ..." [mediawiki/core] (REL1_17); V: 0 C: 1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3746
[16:05:57] 	 New review: Hashar; "With a defaultbranch, people can get confused because git-review fallback to use master as a branch ..." [mediawiki/core] (REL1_18); V: 0 C: 1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3745
[16:06:26] 	 03(mod) Return the scroll to the correct position when you save a page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35431  summary (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[16:06:54] 	 03(mod) padleft: padright: and nowiki do not get on (guess same for all parser functions) UNIQ exposed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/22555  +comment (10Philippe Verdy)
[16:07:40] 	 will be back later tonight
[16:07:40] 	 hashar: other Git stuff still needs finishing up, I just need to find the specific items.... that's more important right now than continuous integration
[16:08:17] 	 sumanah: email sent  :)
[16:08:25] 	 thank you varnent 
[16:08:38] 	 03(mod) New image metadata lost after server restart - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35432  summary (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[16:08:39] 	 varnent: did you cc wikitech-l? I don't see it
[16:08:53] 	 03(mod) New image metadata lost after server restart - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35432  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[16:09:05] 	 sumanah: oh - ha - thought you meant a more direct note  :)
[16:09:07] 	 sumanah: there is not much more I can do on git :D
[16:09:22] 	 03(mod) Font size settings in Wikipedia App should affect entire app, not just content - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35433  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[16:09:37] 	 hashar: go get your dinner and I'll find things for you :-)
[16:09:42] 	 03(NEW) Not possible to set source language on multilingual wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35489 normal; MediaWiki extensions: Translate; (bdamokos)
[16:09:59] 	 varnent: I'm trying to do as much in public as possible with the GSoC students so we reduce duplication of effort
[16:10:10] 	 sumanah: it would be great to hold some kind of git bug triage
[16:10:30] 	 sumanah: sorry  :S
[16:10:31] 	 hashar: yes, it would -- are you volunteering to lead it, or do you need someone else to? hexmode?
[16:11:21] 	 sumanah: what I mean, is that we can probably handle all of that between ^demon Reedy and I
[16:11:48] 	 hashar: "all of that" being all the Git issues?
[16:12:05] 	 yup. I got 18 bugs so far in product wikimedia / component git/gerrit
[16:12:20] 	 the high priority ones are assigned, so Rob will make sure they get handled
[16:12:32] 	 and they are as far as I know
[16:14:56] 	 03(mod) thumbtime parameter for ogg images does not work with localized numbers - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35434  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[16:15:31] 	 hashar: I want to double check that and it may be that some should be assigned to you ... but you said you needed to go so I should let you go
[16:15:46] 	 sumanah: do assign them to me
[16:15:51] 	 hashar: sure
[16:15:54] 	 I will connect again in roughly 3 hours
[16:16:02] 	 and will probably poke some between conference call
[16:16:10] 	 then fix them tomorrow morning (my time) :D
[16:16:24] 	 so when you wake up tomorrow, I might have fixed the bug you assigned ;-D
[16:16:52] 	 sumanah: out for good now. see you later :]
[16:16:59] 	 03(mod) git-review for branches - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35456  +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[16:17:00] 	 03(mod) Huggle 3 (branch) claims rollback rights required although no-wikipedia config does not require it - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35439  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[16:17:36] 	 03jeroendedauw *  10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/includes/ (5 files in 4 dirs): clean up param handling a bit
[16:17:39] 	 bye hashar 
[16:18:27] 	 03(mod) No fallback data user from CLDR for Portuguese - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35487  +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[16:19:54] 	 03(mod) Email address confirmation broken due to incorrect or missing assignment of $expiration in User::confirmationToken() - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35441  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[16:20:00] 	 03(mod) There's no button to get the anchor of a post within a thread apart from the "parent" link on a child post - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/24813   +design (10Nemo_bis)
[16:20:02] 	 03(mod) &action=raw&gen=js and gen=js output empty page; do not work as documented - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35450  +comment (10T. Gries)
[16:20:44] 	 03(mod) Special:Import should warn if importing from a wiki with $wgCapitalLinks set different from current wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35442  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[16:21:21] 	 03(mod) Article Feedback v5 - Feedback forms should not be resizable - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35444  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[16:22:33] 	 New patchset: saper; "Pushing change to cherry-pick" [test/mediawiki/core] (REL1_19) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3705
[16:22:42] 	 03(mod) {{nse:Something that is not a namespace}} causes php warning - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35446  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[16:26:17] 	 I've pasted in .commit-msg
[16:26:24] 	 but I'm erroring out on my extension commit
[16:26:25] 	 http://dpaste.com/721595/
[16:26:33] 	 :( Anyone got any ideas?
[16:26:36] 	 03(mod) Provide direct links to threads, not links with offset which break horribly - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34247  summary; +comment (10Nemo_bis)
[16:26:57] 	 *commit-msg
[16:27:39] 	 Oh, I think I know
[16:29:32] 	 14(DUP) No fallback data user from CLDR for Portuguese - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35487  +comment (10Siebrand)
[16:29:33] 	 03(mod) CLDR doesn't build pt files correctly - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34760  +comment (10Siebrand)
[16:30:40] 	 14(DUP) Error in Narayam more input menu - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35484  +comment (10Srikanth Logic)
[16:30:41] 	 03(mod) HTML codes are displayed instead of input method names - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34955  +comment (10Srikanth Logic)
[16:31:24] 	 03(mod) Search engine does not index new pages on pl.wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35451  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[16:32:20] 	 03(mod) Not possible to set source language on multilingual wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35489  normal->minor; +comment (10Niklas Laxström)
[16:34:25] 	 hi! is there a quick way to disable sqlite completely before installing mediawiki? thanks :)
[16:35:36] 	 Eric09, ???
[16:35:43] 	 03(mod) Error in .htaccess file that address Bug 28235 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35454  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[16:35:57] 	 if you don't need an sqlite database, don't choose it
[16:36:22] 	 yeah, i know. but don't want to have it as an option out of the box
[16:37:02] 	 Eric09, are you a packager or something? :)
[16:37:29] 	 03(mod) Not possible to set source language on multilingual wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35489  +comment (10Siebrand)
[16:37:44] 	 well, kind of. small stuff, among my buddies :P
[16:38:54] 	 i see it was disabled completely in an earlier version, i would like to do the same with the current
[16:39:05] 	 it wasn't
[16:39:11] 	 it was temporary
[16:39:12] 	 03(mod) Change database schema to support utf8 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35455  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[16:39:33] 	 well, it was added in 1.13 and absent completely in 1.14
[16:39:56] 	 yeah, that's what i meant
[16:40:24] 	 03(mod) Revision deletion log entry looks incomplete - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35459  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[16:42:02] 	 03(mod) Trouble finding commit bd7a268e4be2da23ba0b9943c3b0ba1ac88294dc in gitweb - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35461  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[16:42:10] 	 03(mod) Not possible to set source language on multilingual wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35489  +comment (10Niklas Laxström)
[16:43:47] 	 03(mod) Tell git on gerrit.wikimedia.org not to generate spurious terminal sequences - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35462  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[16:45:08] 	 03(mod) Broken snapshot for 1.15.x - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35463  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[16:48:52] 	 Howdy again... I try importing an xml file at Special:Import and I get "Import failed: Loss of session data. Please try again." 
[16:48:53] 	 It's from Special:Export on another wiki, importing to my brand new wiki (Dreamhost, 1.16.4). Any clues?
[16:49:06] 	 So in gerrit I cannot reply to something and see the original text at the same time without opening an extra window?
[16:49:20] 	 03(mod) Search engine does not index new pages on pl.wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35451  +comment (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[16:49:45] 	 Hello. Can anyone direct me to the file containing the new diff CSS (for 1.20.x) please?
[16:50:05] 	 JeroenDeDauw: I think you are right; you can't.
[16:52:01] 	 03(mod) Not possible to set source language on multilingual wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35489  +comment (10Bence Damokos)
[16:53:24] 	 anything?
[16:55:24] 	 New review: Jdlrobson; "Very true. Thanks for pointing this out. I feel embarrassed I submitted this patch! :-)" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3693
[16:55:42] 	 New review: preilly; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3691
[16:55:44] 	 Change merged: preilly; [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3691
[16:56:21] 	 New review: preilly; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3692
[16:56:23] 	 Change merged: preilly; [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3692
[16:56:48] 	 I want to use note like I use ref
[16:56:50] 	 New review: preilly; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3703
[16:56:53] 	 Change merged: preilly; [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3703
[16:56:58] 	 New patchset: Jarry1250; "Other half of fix for bug #30332 ("API spamblocklist error should provide all blocked URLs")." [mediawiki/extensions/SpamBlacklist] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3747
[16:57:01] 	 where  generates result based on input
[16:57:11] 	 how can I achieve this?
[16:57:12] 	 03(mod) HTML codes are displayed instead of input method names - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34955  +comment (10Siebrand)
[16:57:16] 	 New review: preilly; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3732
[16:57:18] 	 Change merged: preilly; [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3732
[16:58:38] 	 New review: preilly; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master); V: 0 C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3693
[16:58:44] 	 03(mod) just highlight the characters that changed, not the whole line - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35464  normal->15enhancement (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[16:58:52] 	 ToAruShiroiNeko: It generated in the order placed
[16:58:52] 	 03(mod) Not possible to set source language on multilingual wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35489  +comment (10Siebrand)
[16:59:08] 	 Can anyone direct me to the file containing the new diff CSS (for 1.20.x) please?
[16:59:41] 	 03(mod) New image metadata lost after server restart - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35432  +comment (10Bawolff)
[17:01:13] 	 03(NEW) rename museum-l to glam - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35490 normal; Wikimedia: Mailing lists; (rkaldari)
[17:02:35] 	 14(INVALID) Missing log item for account creation via SUL (Wikimedia sites) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35465  +comment (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[17:03:36] 	 03(NEW) Malicious Javascript not stripped from AFTv5 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35491 major; MediaWiki extensions: ArticleFeedbackv5; (dtaraborelli)
[17:03:48] 	 Reedy: Are you around?
[17:04:01] 	 New review: ArielGlenn; "(no comment)" [operations/dumps] (ariel); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3667
[17:04:03] 	 Change merged: ArielGlenn; [operations/dumps] (ariel) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3667
[17:04:24] 	 New review: ArielGlenn; "(no comment)" [operations/dumps] (ariel); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3668
[17:04:41] 	 03(mod) Update gerrit - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35466  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[17:04:44] 	 New review: ArielGlenn; "(no comment)" [operations/dumps] (ariel); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3669
[17:05:00] 	 03(mod) Write docu/how-to for Windows with a GUI client - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35467  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[17:05:12] 	 New review: ArielGlenn; "(no comment)" [operations/dumps] (ariel); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3668
[17:05:43] 	 03(mod) Malicious Javascript not stripped from AFTv5 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35491  +comment (10Roan Kattouw)
[17:05:44] 	 03(mod) gerrit download instructions hide when you click them - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35468  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[17:06:26] 	 03(mod) Let LocalisationUpdate fetch from Git - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35469  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[17:07:22] 	 New review: Jeroen De Dauw; "Thanks for the feedback! :)" [mediawiki/core] (master) C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3363
[17:07:37] 	 03(NEW) CSSMin::minify should left string property values untouched - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35492 normal; MediaWiki: Resource Loader; (krinklemail)
[17:07:57] 	 Hello! Is there someone who can point me to an example of a chunked upload via API? Thanks.
[17:07:57] 	 03mkroetzsch *  10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/includes/queryprinters/ (SMW_QP_List.php SMW_QueryPrinter.php): support "_" to encode " " in intro, outro, sep, as it used to be (trailing " " is stripped in the parser function processing, but is very important for these parameters)
[17:08:03] 	 03(mod) Gadgets with CSS+JS should not have their stylesheet ripped out of context into the only=styles  - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35471  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[17:08:46] 	 03(mod) Article feedback tool has overlapping text - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35473  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[17:09:25] 	 03(mod) When on existing page lacking translations,  still displays a red link instead of bold text - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35474  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[17:09:53] 	 I am looking for how to use this offset-parameter...
[17:10:10] 	 03(mod) Exclude deprecated language codes in the list on Special:Translate - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35475  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[17:10:38] 	 03(mod) Non-included tables break parser - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35476  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[17:11:23] 	 03(mod) Non-included tables break parser - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35476  +comment (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[17:11:31] 	 ok, starting with 0
[17:13:24] 	 03(mod) CSSMin::minify should leave string property values untouched - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35492  summary (10Krinkle)
[17:14:02] 	 03(mod) Remove (or improve) hack for integrals from wiki2jax.js - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35477  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[17:15:48] 	 03(mod) HTML codes are displayed instead of input method names - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34955  +comment (10M G Harish)
[17:15:53] 	 03(mod) Remove support for WikEd and ajaxPreview from ext.math.mathjax.enabler.js - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35478  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[17:16:19] 	 03(NEW) CSSMin::minify could trim a little more - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35493 enhancement; MediaWiki: Resource Loader; (krinklemail)
[17:16:24] 	 03(mod) MathJax allows more commands than texvc - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35481  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[17:16:25] 	 03(mod) CSSMin::minify could trim a little more - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35493  (10Krinkle)
[17:18:40] 	 03(mod) bots.wmflabs.org no https - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35488  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[17:22:24] 	 04(REOPENED) Error in Narayam more input menu - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35484  +comment (10Srikanth Logic)
[17:26:19] 	 03(NEW) Gitweb syntax - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35494 normal; Wikimedia: Git/Gerrit; (krinklemail)
[17:26:29] 	 14(WFM) Gitweb syntax - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35494  (10Krinkle)
[17:26:54] 	 03(mod) Error in Narayam more input menu - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35484  minor->normal;  +i18n (10Srikanth Logic)
[17:27:54] 	 New patchset: Jdlrobson; "actually used position fixed for webkit browsers that support it" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3693
[17:30:41] 	 03(mod) Output TeX code in script elements for MathJax - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35479  +comment (10Brion Vibber)
[17:33:25] 	 New patchset: QChris; "Checking stubs for truncation" [operations/dumps] (ariel) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3669
[17:33:26] 	 New patchset: QChris; "Port truncation checks from XmlDump to base class Dump" [operations/dumps] (ariel) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3668
[17:33:54] 	 03(FIXED) &action=raw&gen=js and gen=js output empty page; do not work as documented - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35450  +comment (10Alexandre Emsenhuber [IAlex])
[17:34:03] 	 Hazard-SJ: I am now
[17:35:38] 	 Can you direct me to the file containing the new diff CSS (for 1.20.x) please?
[17:38:42] 	 brion: I hate that double click in gerrit means "inline comment" when I just want to use it to select a word :(
[17:39:14] * brion  shakes fist in sympathetic rage
[17:39:39] 	 brion!
[17:39:41] 	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/113775#c32304
[17:39:42] 	 03nikerabbit *  10/branches/wmf/1.19wmf1/extensions/WebFonts/ (4 files in 2 dirs):
[17:39:42] 	 Merged 70b994d from git
[17:39:42] 	 Change-Id: Id32650be738710762a8276f120a62de76074e5bf
[17:39:48] 	 please?
[17:39:54] 	 I also wish there was a convenient "whole file" link...I can set the diff to whole file, but then the next diff is also "whole file"
[17:40:01] 	 textSelection is black magic
[17:40:18] 	 there is no download as patch in gerrit
[17:40:19] 	 Krinkle-away, grr, broken in tests?
[17:40:21] 	 ?
[17:40:31] 	 03(mod) Article Feedback v5 - Text box scroll bar is floating 5 pixels off the border on Firefox - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35443  (10Yoni Shostak)
[17:40:37] 	 brion: yeah, has ever since
[17:40:39] 	 http://integration.mediawiki.org/testswarm/user/mediawiki/
[17:40:53] 	 'unspecified error' hah
[17:41:19] 	 03(mod) Article Feedback v5 - "X" Close Button positions the flyover panel in the wrong location on Chrome - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35445  (10Yoni Shostak)
[17:41:32] 	 indeed..
[17:41:55] 	 03(mod) Non-included tables break parser - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35476  (10public)
[17:42:23] 	 03(mod) Random button for Wikisource - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/30902  (10Tomasz Finc)
[17:42:25] 	 03(mod) Redesign mobile layout to accommodate new features like language switching, contributions, etc - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/32117  (10Tomasz Finc)
[17:42:50] 	 03(mod) Random button for Wikisource - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/30902  +comment (10Tomasz Finc)
[17:43:24] 	 Krinkle-away, it passes for me in IE9
[17:43:39] 	 Krinkle-away: btw, wrote this yesterday: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Yuvipanda/js-utils/ClientTemplate.js
[17:43:47] 	 lets me build UI (DOM) from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Yuvipanda/AssessmentBar/Toolbar.template
[17:43:56] 	 needs a lot of tweaks/perf improvements, but is nice.
[17:44:24] 	 04(REOPENED) Missing log item for account creation via SUL (Wikimedia sites) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35465  +comment (10Félix M. (elfix))
[17:44:48] 	 brion: hm..
[17:45:24] 	 brion: http://integration.mediawiki.org/checkouts/mw/trunk/r114397/tests/qunit/?filter=jquery.textSelection
[17:45:26] 	 Reedy: Can you direct me to the file containing the new diff CSS (for 1.20.x) please?
[17:45:27] 	 try that one in IE9
[17:45:37] 	 Why do I need to?
[17:45:38] 	 :p
[17:45:49] 	 03(mod) Non-included tables break parser - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35476  (10public)
[17:45:58] 	 Tests completed in 578 milliseconds.
[17:45:58] 	 20 tests of 20 passed, 0 failed.
[17:46:14] 	 Krinkle-away: Didn't get to tell you yesterday; I did the Great Global hunt on my code yesterday and only the lone unavoidable reference to $wgScript is left.  :-)
[17:46:23] 	 tbh, I have no idea without searching
[17:47:00] 	 restarting win7 vm for updates....
[17:47:12] 	 no idea what this is about Reedy but you may be looking for resources/mediawiki.action/mediawiki.action.history.diff.css
[17:47:50] 	 03(NEW) "A non well formed numeric value encountered in[...]" appears on the top of every page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35495 minor; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (jariza)
[17:48:04] 	 Krinkle-away: Firefox 11 is out ;)
[17:48:14] 	 I know
[17:48:15] 	 Reedy: Any idea where I could start?
[17:48:38] 	 New review: ArielGlenn; "you beat me to the rebase/resolve." [operations/dumps] (ariel); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3668
[17:48:40] 	 Change merged: ArielGlenn; [operations/dumps] (ariel) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3668
[17:48:43] 	 brion: Perhaps another instance of the window-doesnt-have-focus-means--ie-cant-focus bug?
[17:49:00] 	 perhaps... i tried popping focus away but might not be doing it in time
[17:49:02] 	 03(mod) "A non well formed numeric value encountered in[...]" appears on the top of every page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35495  +comment (10Beau)
[17:49:05] 	 in that the browserstack VM may have had the window not in the foreground
[17:49:25] 	 although I have ran it myself in the past from browserstack, definitely had the window focussed
[17:49:49] 	 New review: ArielGlenn; "(no comment)" [operations/dumps] (ariel); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3669
[17:49:52] 	 Change merged: ArielGlenn; [operations/dumps] (ariel) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3669
[17:50:55] 	 brion: k, we'll have to figure out how to get this fixed later. thanks for confirming it. can you reply on the rev?
[17:52:01] 	 New code comment: Brion VIBBER; Runs clean in IE9 in my Windows 7 VM; might be one of those issues where being in background screws ; 
[17:53:34] 	 03(mod) "A non well formed numeric value encountered in[...]" appears on the top of every page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35495  +comment (10Marc A. Pelletier)
[17:55:38] 	 Hazard-SJ: [18:47:20]  no idea what this is about Reedy but you may be looking for resources/mediawiki.action/mediawiki.action.history.diff.css
[17:55:39] 	 Found the bug for 35495
[17:56:08] 	 03(mod) "A non well formed numeric value encountered in[...]" appears on the top of every page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35495  +comment (10Marc A. Pelletier)
[17:57:40] 	 03(mod) Missing log item for account creation via SUL (Wikimedia sites) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35465  normal->minor (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[17:59:49] 	 03(mod) API spamblocklist error should provide *all* blocked URLs, not just one - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/30332  +comment (10Jarry1250)
[18:02:08] 	 03(mod) Add language tagging hint to MW Help pages. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/8730  +comment (10Nemo_bis)
[18:03:58] 	 Reedy: Seems like it :) but I can't find the path on gerrit. Is https://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/resources/mediawiki.action/mediawiki.action.history.diff.css?view=co up-to-date?
[18:04:13] 	 03(mod) Not possible to set source language on multilingual wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35489  (10Nemo_bis)
[18:04:14] 	 03(mod) Parser function to override per-page language metadata - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/10736  (10Nemo_bis)
[18:06:02] 	 New review: preilly; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3693
[18:06:04] 	 Change merged: preilly; [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3693
[18:06:08] 	 03(mod) Feedback Dashboard rate limiting too severe - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35374  (10bsitu)
[18:07:19] 	 any idea how to manipulate the  tag used in Facebook extension?  it keeps pointing to the same image on all pages (logo), when i want it to point to one added in the wiki... any hints highly appreciated!
[18:07:32] 	 03(mod) Remove support for WikEd and ajaxPreview from ext.math.mathjax.enabler.js - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35478  +comment (10Derk-Jan Hartman)
[18:08:43] 	 can someone tell me how to do multiple changes that depend on each other but should be individually reviewed ? Without getting into a state of having to wait hours for a review ?
[18:08:49] 	 i am having some trouble running the campaigns feature in UploadWizard extension, can some one help me in this ?
[18:10:13] 	 03(mod) SRF: The min and max math formats should work with dates and strings - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/26027  +comment (10Yaron Koren)
[18:12:17] 	 03(WONTFIX) An Edit link for the "in other languages" box in the left of wiki page. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/11191  +comment (10Nemo_bis)
[18:13:21] 	 Hazard-SJ, I want to use note like I use ref though
[18:13:37] 	 where I want to use something like  to list the individual notes
[18:16:07] 	 Is note an extension?
[18:17:21] 	 New review: Aaron Schulz; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3730
[18:17:24] 	 Change merged: Aaron Schulz; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3730
[18:18:53] 	 Hazard-SJ I dont know
[18:19:04] 	 back
[18:19:09] 	 You know how   works?
[18:19:17] 	 I want one for notes
[18:19:20] 	 Reedy: did you wrote any doc about using git-review with branches ?
[18:19:55] 	 How do I export a wiki to static HTML, with images?
[18:20:19] 	 ToAruShiroiNeko: So you want to just use  instead of ref etc.?
[18:20:52] 	 03(ASSIGNED) Search engine does not index new pages on pl.wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35451  +comment (10Peter Youngmeisterarius)
[18:20:52] 	 JRWR: I don't know about images, but you can export wikis in xml.
[18:21:31] 	 I want to make a static dump of a wiki for offline use
[18:21:50] 	 hashar: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Git/Workflow#Committing_to_non_master
[18:22:38] 	 Reedy: that one is great for release :D
[18:23:03] 	 Reedy: I am not sure you are allowed to do a direct push nowadays  ( git push origin REL1_17 ->  denied by gerrit most probably)
[18:23:11] 	 Reedy: I am going to amend that part
[18:24:02] 	 Sure
[18:24:07] 	 Is there some �best practice� to work around the temporary tables setting of current PHPUnit script when testing core objects that open their own database connection (e.g.: BackupDumper)?
[18:24:08] 	 That worked for me when I tried :p
[18:24:33] 	 Reedy: we might still be allowed to do direct push :/
[18:24:44] 	 hashar: I think core reviewers etc can
[18:24:54] * hashar  feels powerful
[18:25:03] 	 hashar: break ALL the branches
[18:25:14] 	 Hazard-SJ right
[18:25:18] 	 in essence
[18:25:23] 	 there are refernces and notes
[18:25:26] 	 two different things
[18:25:58] 	 03(NEW) Change AFTv4 clicktracking log format to match AFTv5 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35496 normal; MediaWiki extensions: ArticleFeedback; (dtaraborelli)
[18:26:07] 	 Guys, conventions, just found that bug 35495 has already been fixed.  How to we refer to git commits?  Full hash?
[18:26:08] 	 You might have to edit the extension code to get that :/
[18:26:14] 	 ToAruShiroiNeko: ^
[18:26:20] 	 not sure if I've asked this before, but is there any way to clone all extensions?
[18:26:43] 	 Reedy / MaxSem: Do either of you know if I still have write access for AWB?
[18:26:57] 	 I definitely did have.
[18:27:10] * MaxSem  didn't take it away
[18:27:23] 	 New patchset: IAlex; "* (bug 35446) Using "{{nse:}}" with an invalid namespace name no longer throws a PHP warning" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3748
[18:27:31] 	 Jarry1250: yeah, I haven't ever removed anyone I don't think
[18:27:40] 	 ialex: enjoying gerrit? :)
[18:27:53] 	 AaronSchulz: still a bit difficult :)
[18:27:54] 	 any idea how to manipulate the  tag used in Facebook extension?  it keeps pointing to the same image on all pages (logo), when i want it to point to one added in the wiki... any hints highly appreciated!
[18:28:06] 	 Reedy / MaxSem: Okay, thanks :) I'll have a play around then
[18:28:09] * AaronSchulz  gave up resolving a conflict
[18:30:00] 	 New review: Aaron Schulz; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3748
[18:30:01] 	 Change merged: Aaron Schulz; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3748
[18:30:04] 	 03(FIXED) Search engine does not index new pages on pl.wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35451  +comment (10Beau)
[18:30:44] 	 AaronSchulz: What conflict?
[18:30:53] 	 Reedy: How to I refer to a commit in bugzilla?
[18:31:09] 	 For svn it's rXXXX
[18:31:09] 	 RoanKattouw: some FileRepo error display patch
[18:31:10] 	 for git...
[18:31:14] 	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Template:WikimediaDownload I think this should be changed so that either Git or SVN links are shown, not both (depending on what is specified in a param)
[18:31:17] 	 Hazard-SJ I seek this for current mediawiki installations
[18:31:18] 	 (Yeah, for git)
[18:31:21] 	 does this feature exist
[18:31:25] 	 it was listed as depending on some other change for some reason
[18:31:31] 	 and that change was itself ammended
[18:31:59] 	 Right
[18:32:02] 	 So you need a rebase then
[18:32:07] 	 I can sort that out if you want
[18:32:11] 	 gerrit(\ change(set)?)?\ ?\#?(\d+)
[18:32:20] * AaronSchulz  remembers rebase giving trouble
[18:32:35] 	 Reedy: Thanks.
[18:32:54] 	 Wait.  \d+?  That's decimal.
[18:32:57] 	 yeah
[18:33:01] 	 use the gerrit ref
[18:33:04] 	 not the git commit id
[18:33:05] 	 AaronSchulz: What's the change# ?
[18:33:17] 	 don't remember, it's in the abandoned change list
[18:33:22] 	 \d is digit... or at least, not
[18:33:30] 	 \d is digit... or at least, in non perl stuff it is
[18:34:03] * Coren  now tries to figure out how to find the change in gerrit
[18:34:05] 	 gerrit is slooooow...
[18:34:39] 	 Coren: Paste the git commit ID in the search bar
[18:34:50] 	 Coren: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#change,2990
[18:34:52] 	 2990
[18:34:57] 	 ialex: yeah, I don't know how many times I pressed back twice b/c I thought I didn't press hard enough and then it went back twice since it was just taking forever to load
[18:35:04] * AaronSchulz  blames JS
[18:35:10] 	 AaronSchulz: +1
[18:35:58] 	 Reedy: Got it, thanks.
[18:36:42] 	 03(NEW) Two-way syncing between Gerrit and GitHub - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35497 normal; Wikimedia: Git/Gerrit; (sumanah)
[18:36:51] 	 New review: Aaron Schulz; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 1 C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3740
[18:37:24] 	 "(no comment)" amuses me
[18:37:28] 	 03(FIXED) "A non well formed numeric value encountered in[...]" appears on the top of every page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35495   +code-update-regression; +comment (10Marc A. Pelletier)
[18:37:51] 	 New patchset: IAlex; "* (bug 35446) Using "{{nse:}}" with an invalid namespace name no longer throws a PHP warning" [mediawiki/core] (REL1_19) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3750
[18:38:16] 	 Reedy: Want to doublecheck my work, please?  I probably missed much; just getting familiarized with the workflow.  :-)
[18:38:39] 	 03(mod) git-review for branches - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35456  +comment (10Antoine "hashar" Musso)
[18:38:45] 	 I keep getting these when I run some scripts (like DumpHTML, or some of the maintince scripts)
[18:38:46] 	 PHP Warning:  gzinflate(): data error in /var/www/includes/Revision.php on line 876
[18:38:57] 	 03(mod) Two-way syncing between Gerrit and GitHub - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35497  normal->15enhancement; +comment (10Sumana Harihareswara)
[18:38:58] 	 03(mod) Migrate subversion to git (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/22596  (10Sumana Harihareswara)
[18:39:10] 	 JRWR: PHP 5.4?
[18:39:23] 	 Coren: submit it? ;)
[18:39:54] 	 Reedy: No, the fix was already made by you.  Someone just found the bug it fixes in the tag just before.  :-)
[18:40:00] 	 AaronSchulz: yep
[18:40:20] 	 Reedy: I meant check my work in bugzilla.  :-)
[18:41:15] 	 Reedy: I cloned, made sure I had the 1.18.2 tag, found the bug, fixed it, and then noticed you already had two days ago on REL1_18.  :-)
[18:41:35] 	 03(mod) Let LocalisationUpdate fetch from Git - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35469  +comment (10Sumana Harihareswara)
[18:41:47] 	 Coren: just use the branch  aka origin/REL1_18 or gerrit/REL1_18
[18:42:02] 	 Coren: in most occasion, you do not need to use the tag :-D
[18:42:06] 	 03(mod) Two-way syncing between Gerrit and GitHub - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35497  +comment (10Chad H.)
[18:42:09] 	 AaronSchulz: is it anything I should worry over?
[18:42:15] 	 Coren: though 1.18.2 is probably easier to remember than REL1_18
[18:42:23] 	 hashar: I know that, but the bug reporter was using the tag, so that's where I looked for the bug.  :-)
[18:42:49] 	 Bah.  And I so wanted to make my first push for review.   :-P
[18:43:22] 	 Coren: I am just making sure you knew :-D
[18:43:25] 	 03(NEW) Add stix font for mathjax - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35498 normal; MediaWiki extensions: Math (texvc); (hartman)
[18:43:26] 	 03(mod) Set $wgUseMathJax = true on Wikimedia wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31406  (10Derk-Jan Hartman)
[18:45:40] 	 I am also curious if I can control the width of a page
[18:46:01] 	 I want to prevent http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Ranks_and_insignia_of_NATO/Generic/Army overflow with an h-bar
[18:47:38] 	 New patchset: IAlex; "* (bug 35446) Using "{{nse:}}" with an invalid namespace name no longer throws a PHP warning" [mediawiki/core] (REL1_18) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3751
[18:48:05] 	 New review: Hashar; "(no comment)" [test/mediawiki/core] (REL1_19); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3743
[18:48:12] 	 JRWR: not sure
[18:48:25] 	 03(mod) Malicious Javascript not stripped from AFTv5 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35491  +comment (10Dario Taraborelli)
[18:48:28] 	 New review: Hashar; "(no comment)" [test/mediawiki/core] (REL1_19); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3742
[18:48:31] 	 Change merged: Hashar; [test/mediawiki/core] (REL1_19) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3743
[18:48:32] 	 Change merged: Hashar; [test/mediawiki/core] (REL1_19) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3742
[18:48:40] 	 03(mod) Width problems in content area using Huggle - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35470  +comment (10IWorld (V. G.))
[18:50:34] 	 Anyone else seeing lots of Bitcoin/BRIC spam pages being created in mediawikis lately? What's up with that?
[18:51:48] 	 Where is the template for the LocalSettings.php file from Installer?
[18:51:52] 	 *installer
[18:52:07] 	 includes/installer
[18:52:19] 	 let me see
[18:52:33] 	 includes/installer/LocalSettingsGenerator.php seems a good place
[18:52:38] 	 ah
[18:52:50] 	 I see
[18:53:04] 	 03(mod) Malicious Javascript not stripped from AFTv5 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35491   +aftv5-1.5 (10Dario Taraborelli)
[18:53:22] 	 03(mod) Change AFTv4 clicktracking log format to match AFTv5 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35496   +aftv5-1.5 (10Dario Taraborelli)
[18:54:01] 	 03(NEW) Server is slow - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35499 normal; Wikimedia Labs: Setup; (hazard_sj)
[18:54:56] 	 03(FIXED) {{nse:Something that is not a namespace}} causes php warning - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35446  +comment (10Alexandre Emsenhuber [IAlex])
[18:58:54] 	 New patchset: TheDJ; ""\displaystyle" does not need curly braces as it does not take a parameter." [mediawiki/extensions/Math] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3752
[19:00:24] 	 Tim-away: Around?  Just a quick Q
[19:01:10] 	 Coren: he won't be for 2-3 hours
[19:01:12] 	 Coren: he is sleeping still :)
[19:01:18] 	 6am for him
[19:01:34] 	 Oh, forgot /which/ timezone he inhabits.  :-)
[19:01:37] 	 he lives on Australia east coast
[19:01:44] 	 and got a meeting for breakfast :-D
[19:02:07] 	 21:02 GMT+1 :-)
[19:02:30] 	 Maybe one of you guys know.  I know he had some interest in a LuaJIT extension; do you know if he had any cycles to throw at it, or if it even got to the planning stages?
[19:03:29] 	 well he managed to convince everyone that LUA was the way to go :)
[19:03:57] 	 Victor Vasiliev (vvv) has a PHP extension IRC
[19:04:14] 	 hashar: IRC or IIRC?
[19:04:16] 	 Wouldn't have been my first choice of language to embed, but a project of mine right now would need a real language for a wiki, and something like this was on my drawing board.
[19:04:22] 	 vvv: IIRC 
[19:04:35] 	 Coren: there is some work
[19:04:41] 	 In SVN
[19:04:54] 	 Coren: besides Tim, vvv is the one knowing about that project :)
[19:04:58] 	 vvv: Which was the point of my question.  :-)
[19:05:16] <^demon|away>	 What's the roadmap say on it?
[19:05:16] <^demon|away>	 :)
[19:05:34] 	 hashar: well, I myself do not know what's the exact status of it
[19:05:35] 	 ^demon|away: That was question number two.  :-)
[19:05:45] 	 ^demon|away: high priority / immediate future / assigned to plateform engineering  ? :}
[19:05:56] 	 the main page is https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Lua
[19:06:01] 	 Coren: trunk/php/luasandbox is the C part
[19:06:05] 	 and it is not on the roadmap yet per see
[19:06:12] 	 03(mod) Article Feedback v5 - Text box scroll bar is floating 5 pixels off the border on Firefox - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35443  +comment (10Reha Sterbin)
[19:06:20] 	 ^demon|away: maybe we can bring back the subject during our meeting?
[19:06:31] <^demon|away>	 It's currently listed to be worked on in April.
[19:06:37] <^demon|away>	 Might be worth asking if that's up-to-date :)
[19:06:42] 	 yup
[19:06:59] 	 baby duties. will be back later
[19:08:21] 	 vvv: So the project is alive and well, then.
[19:08:31] 	 Coren: well, yes
[19:08:41] 	 I do not know exactly
[19:08:42] * Coren  ponders.
[19:08:46] 	 robla should know
[19:09:24] 	 New patchset: Logicwiki; "Bug 35044 Added Gujrati typewriter layout" [mediawiki/extensions/Narayam] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3753
[19:09:43] 	 project is alive and well.  Tim should be starting back into this in earnest this week, assuming other short term things don't come up.
[19:09:47] 	 I was about to start a POC of an embedded V8 for my scripting needs; I'm probably better off holding on until I know how this project is shaping up then.
[19:10:46] 	 Specifically, I was looking into making a PHP extension embedding V8
[19:11:00] 	 Coren: Tim created the LuaFoo extension
[19:11:40] 	 And also /trunk/php/luasandbox
[19:12:11] 	 Hm.  Allright.  Stall time.
[19:12:39] 	 Coren: as far as I am aware, V8 was inacceptable due to high startup time and some other reservations related to sandboxing
[19:13:39] 	 vvv: Well, that what the POC was meant to evaluate.  :-)  All the more reason to wait for Tim, if he already did the legwork on this.
[19:14:36] 	 03(NEW) hat symbol in templatename (embed in field) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35500 normal; MediaWiki extensions: SemanticForms; (jmcclure)
[19:14:43] 	 Skizzerz: !
[19:15:59] 	 03(mod) hat symbol in templatename (embed in field) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35500  +comment (10John McClure)
[19:16:23] 	 03catrope *  10/trunk/debs/wikimedia-job-runner/debian/ (3 files): Fix path to jobs-loop.sh . Currently the job runners are operational, but any attempt to restart them would break them completely because they'd look for jobs-loop.sh in the wrong place
[19:17:04] 	 Tim-away: ----^^  wikimedia-job-runner needs to be repackaged per r114493. Right now the job runners wouldn't survive a restart
[19:18:55] * JRWR  kicks the job runners power brick, watching the servers APCs start to die
[19:20:03] 	 Do we have any 1.18 installs?
[19:20:13] 	 I don't think so
[19:20:43] 	 Nope, it's all 1.19 on our cluster
[19:21:27] 	 New patchset: Logicwiki; "Bug 35044 Added Gujrati typewriter layout" [mediawiki/extensions/Narayam] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3754
[19:21:30] 	 03(mod) hat symbol in templatename (embed in field) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35500  +comment (10Yaron Koren)
[19:23:44] 	 vvv: Well, I think that (long startup) applied to Rhino.  From what I've seen, V8 has relatively inexpensive times for new contexts after the first.
[19:24:22] * Coren  still thinks it's worth a POC
[19:24:25] 	 Coren: another problem was sandboxing
[19:24:29] 	 03(mod) Determine block mode vs. inline mode properly for MathJax - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35188  +comment (10Derk-Jan Hartman)
[19:26:59] 	 Coren: the Scripting extension is made in a such way so it has as much language-independant stuff as possible
[19:28:53] 	 Is there some �best practice� to work around the temporary tables setting of current PHPUnit script when testing core objects that open their own database connection (e.g.: BackupDumper)?
[19:30:10] 	 03(mod) Creating new layout for Gujarati Typewriter Keyboard - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35044   +i18n; +comment (10Srikanth Logic)
[19:35:31] 	 03(mod) Make MathJax menus translatable [upstream] - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35038  +comment (10Derk-Jan Hartman)
[19:36:53] 	 While MediaWikiTestCase defines tablesUsed, most test cases do not set them. Are we expected to set them when writing new tests?
[19:37:30] <^demon>	 qchris: Most tests can rely on the core sets of duplicated tables.
[19:37:37] <^demon>	 I can't remember exactly when it's populated though
[19:39:01] 	 ^demon: tablesUsed is mainly used for cleanup. So the question is, whether we shauld set it for better cleanup
[19:39:02] 	 New patchset: Catrope; "(bug 35496) Add title and revid in clicktracking events for AFTv4." [mediawiki/extensions/ClickTracking] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3755
[19:39:09] 	 DarTar: ----^^
[19:39:24] 	 sweet
[19:39:25] 	 ^demon: but as no noe uses it, I guess I shall not use it either. Does this seem correct?
[19:39:43] 	 03(mod) Change AFTv4 clicktracking log format to match AFTv5 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35496  +comment (10Roan Kattouw)
[19:39:54] <^demon>	 If you're explicitly wanting to duplicate other tables you'll probably need to use it somehow.
[19:40:03] 	 DarTar: Could you get someone to review that so I can deploy it on Wednesday? I'm falling asleep on my keyboard now
[19:40:15] 	 will do
[19:40:22] 	 thanks for the quick fix
[19:40:59] 	 ^demon: The only use case that is now setting it uses it for site_stats and interwiki
[19:41:15] 	 ^demon: So these are standard tables.
[19:41:24] 	 03(mod) WikiLove tab "heart" icon is low-resolution - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35334  +comment (10Ryan Kaldari)
[19:41:34] <^demon>	 qchris: Yeah hopefully those would be duplicated :)
[19:41:41] 	 ^demon: All standard tables are duplicated per default in the base class
[19:41:48] 	 I want to prevent http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Ranks_and_insignia_of_NATO/Generic/Army overflow with an h-bar
[19:41:48] 	 [2012-03-26, 20:46:18] * Jarry1250_ (~chatzil
[19:41:52] 	 gah
[19:41:58] 	 that was unintended :/
[19:42:08] 	 wrong sneeze time :(
[19:42:09] 	 ^demon: So there is no point in using tablesUsed?
[19:42:28] <^demon>	 For core tables, I don't think so no :)
[19:43:29] 	 ^demon: ok. Thanks.
[19:43:40] 	 Is there a privacy-compliant social media 'like' button yet?
[19:43:47] 	 ^demon: you do not happen to be able to answer my first question as well. do you?
[19:44:23] <^demon>	 Amgine: Store your likes in a local text file ~/i-like.txt
[19:44:44] 	 Amgine: Static links with a custom like button for facebook might work
[19:44:54] <^demon>	 qchris: And what was that again? Lazy -> not gonna scroll back
[19:45:08] 	 ^demon:Is there some �best practice� to work around the temporary tables setting of current PHPUnit script when testing core objects that open their own database connection (e.g.: BackupDumper)?
[19:45:18] 	 JRWR: can you explain that?
[19:45:45] <^demon>	 qchris: I'm not quite sure I understand the question. What's happening that shouldn't? Or isn't happening that should?
[19:46:27] 	 ^demon: The temporary tables that are created for the test's connection are not visible in other connections. Hence, testing BackupDumper is not possible directly (when using temporary tables)
[19:46:49] <^demon>	 Ah, hrm.
[19:47:04] 	 ^demon: As BackupDumper opens it's own connection he sees nothing of the injected fixture
[19:47:09] <^demon>	 Can BackupDumper be changed to use an arbitrary DB connection rather than opening its own?
[19:47:38] 	 ^demon: then scale the problem to the text pass of dumping ;)
[19:47:51] 	 ^demon: That's a different process
[19:47:55] 	 03(mod) Remove support for WikEd and ajaxPreview from ext.math.mathjax.enabler.js - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35478  +comment (10Derk-Jan Hartman)
[19:48:16] <^demon>	 yuck.
[19:48:22] <^demon>	 qchris: Don't write tests? ;-)
[19:48:30] <^demon>	 And just cross your fingers when it works
[19:48:31] 	 ^demon: I see :D
[19:48:59] 	 Ok ... then I'll take money for crossing my fingers. I like that
[19:49:04] * qchris  crosses his fingers
[19:49:08] <^demon>	 It's a good question though. Maybe worth posting to wikitech-l for a bit more feedback.
[19:49:21] 	 Ok. I'll try that
[19:49:27] 	 ^demon: That's called Redmond-style QC.  :-)
[19:49:28] 	 Thanks
[19:49:36] 	 Is there a method for mediawiki to not allow a upload unless a license is selected?
[19:50:02] 	 hey
[19:50:37] 	 AFAIK no
[19:51:11] 	 Hrm, Time to make a hack then, I shall read into the Hooks needed then
[19:51:17] 	 03(mod) MathJax allows more commands than texvc - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35481  +comment (10Derk-Jan Hartman)
[19:52:31] 	 03(mod) Add stix font for mathjax - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35498  normal->15enhancement (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[19:55:07] 	 Ohhh... I just had a thought on how to do the like portion of my secure privacy controlling share feature
[19:55:22] 	 brion: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:TheDJ#MathJax_review if you could spare a moment today to comment on those last remarks by Nageh ...
[19:56:16] 	 Dantman: !!
[19:58:10] 	 The button starts in an indeterminate state. Clicking on it makes a call to fetch whether the resource is liked or not. If it's liked the button simply goes into the liked state. If not the system runs an action to like the resource.
[19:58:32] 	 Clicking again while in the like state unlikes the resource.
[19:59:33] 	 thedj, all i know is that the mathmax main dev guy said it didn't work / wasn't necessary (the extra macro overridign bits), not sure if we need to change that further?
[19:59:58] 	 New patchset: IAlex; "Use local context to get messages" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3756
[20:00:07] 	 Skizzerz: I wanted to tell you about two small issues in your SecurePasswords extension.
[20:00:30] 	 I'm sure it has more than two issues, I wrote that ages ago :P
[20:00:32] 	 but feel free
[20:02:24] 	 Skizzerz: Your calls to mcrypt_create_iv use MCRYPT_RAND, which means that random keys are backed by the non-cryptographically-secure rand(). And you use wfGenerateToken() (we used to use it for salts, now it's deprecated). Which is backed by a single mt_rand call, which also isn't a cryptographically secure random source.
[20:02:40] 	 good to know
[20:02:53] 	 I remember reading about that in the 1.18.2 announcement
[20:03:44] 	 Of course... it's not necessarily apocalyptic for salts to be using bad random sources. But still, wrong code.
[20:04:03] 	 ^^ 
[20:04:09] 	 New review: Aaron Schulz; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3756
[20:04:11] 	 Change merged: Aaron Schulz; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3756
[20:04:20] 	 Skizzerz: You can use MWCryptRand::generate( bytes ); (raw binary) and MWCryptRand::generateHex( chars ); (hex characters) now.
[20:04:58] 	 over half of that extension is overkill for the purpose of overkill :P
[20:04:59] 	 Skizzerz: ;) And as long as people are up to date on security releases, the actual class was backported all the way back to 1.17
[20:05:21] 	 Skizzerz: ;) I'm just saying that you underkilled part of your overkill.
[20:05:34] * JRWR  is sporting 1.16
[20:05:55] 	 JRWR is sporting piles of holes and bugs we fixed in later versions then ;)
[20:06:11] 	 Yep, Im going to force them to update to 1.19 this week
[20:06:14] 	 and php 5.4.0
[20:06:19] 	 heh
[20:06:29] 	 That reminds me...
[20:07:14] 	 I need to `rm -rf ~/.mediawiki/php` and have my copy of mediawiki/dev/'s 5.4 regenerated with the latest release.
[20:07:35] 	 Gah.  I need a job and the market is teh suk.
[20:08:07] 	 Dantman: been getting some gzip errors with 5.4.0
[20:08:11] 	 but they are hard to pin down
[20:08:42] 	 03(mod) Add stix font for mathjax - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35498  +comment (10Brion Vibber)
[20:08:51] 	 hi
[20:09:05] 	 Third effing offer I turn down having to restrain myself from yelling something obscene at the other end of the phone.
[20:09:12] 	 cite.php is the recommended plugin for the references?
[20:09:48] 	 Skizzerz: I actually started a relevant branch to that topic https://github.com/dantman/mediawiki-core/compare/master...2012/password-hashing
[20:10:37] 	 Skizzerz: PBKDF2-HMAC password hashing, and eventually password secrets configuration and password upgrading.
[20:11:10] 	 do you accept pull requests?
[20:11:19] 	 Sure
[20:11:35] 	 I'd like to get some of the (planned) functionality of SecurePasswords into core
[20:11:47] 	 Like what plans?
[20:11:53] 	 mainly password expiration
[20:12:00] 	 :/
[20:12:05] 	 :P
[20:12:13] 	 I object!
[20:12:14] 	 or rather, support for it
[20:12:35] 	 ;) I think that /feature/ deserves to be segregated to an extension.
[20:12:37] 	 the password framework is currently really hard to plug into properly
[20:13:10] 	 so the work I'd submit to the branch would be ways of making the framework more extensible without conflicting with existing auth plugins
[20:13:11] 	 * Just hope gerrit doesn't object to merging a branch in as multiple commits and insist that I squash all our commits into something authored by me.
[20:13:37] 	 New review: Aaron Schulz; "Three main uses of LSB come to mind:" [mediawiki/extensions/AntiSpoof] (master); V: 0 C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3408
[20:14:34] * Skizzerz  afks
[20:15:45] 	 Skizzerz: You might still not be able to force the user to change their password. ;) But you 'can' store an expiry in the data of a password and have it re-hash the same password when the user logs in.
[20:16:36] 	 Skizzerz: Though, I think the feature you desire may have a decent rationale for being included.
[20:17:51] 	 Skizzerz: Temp passwords get that treatment now. So having a user password match interface that allows the returned password to be marked as requiring replacement does fit into an abstract api.
[20:19:11] 	 New review: Demon; "I agree with Aaron. I feel like the use-cases people really seem to like LSB for (cases 2 and 3) are..." [mediawiki/extensions/AntiSpoof] (master); V: -1 C: -2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3408
[20:21:00] 	 New review: Demon; "Ignore the above, riddled with typos." [mediawiki/extensions/AntiSpoof] (master); V: -1 C: -2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3408
[20:22:10] 	 New review: Demon; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/core] (REL1_19); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3744
[20:22:13] 	 Change merged: Demon; [mediawiki/core] (REL1_19) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3744
[20:22:29] 	 New review: Demon; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/core] (REL1_18); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3745
[20:22:31] 	 Change merged: Demon; [mediawiki/core] (REL1_18) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3745
[20:22:52] 	 New review: Demon; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/core] (REL1_17); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3746
[20:22:55] 	 Change merged: Demon; [mediawiki/core] (REL1_17) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3746
[20:24:50] 	 I have a branch on which I have changes committed that I want to submit using the git review thing. It also has 2 commits on it with changes I do not want to push to gerrit.
[20:24:50] 	 Can't figure out ho to proceed. Tried doing cherry-pick to take out the other commits to some other branch and tried just reverting them. For both git complains about stuff...
[20:26:12] 	 JeroenDeDauw: 2 commits after the commit, or 2 commits the latest is based on?
[20:26:37] 	 Dantman: 2 commits after the one I care about
[20:26:51] 	 JeroenDeDauw: You 'could' do it without git review
[20:26:56] 	 Which I made because git review went mad at me for having non-committed changes
[20:27:23] 	 Well, I don't care how I do it, as long as it stays within a reasonable amount of simple steps
[20:27:29] 	 Which most of this stuff does not seem to do
[20:27:34] 	 While what I want to do seems rather simple
[20:27:39] * JeroenDeDauw  hits git
[20:27:57] 	 JeroenDeDauw: ;) now now, don't hit git... this is gerrit's fautl
[20:28:09] 	 Right
[20:28:40] 	 Committing to gerrit is as much of a pain as it's UI sucking
[20:28:47] 	 The underlying command that gets run is `git push origin HEAD:refs/for/branch/topic` in this case you can just replace HEAD with the commit you want to push.
[20:30:12] 	 Either that, or do a git checkout of the commit so that it becomes HEAD
[20:30:52] 	 Dantman: does this look ok? git push origin I8fb72a12f7bcac16822154680b276b13b5353370:refs/changes/63/3363/2
[20:31:34] 	 03(NEW) replacing "hidden by Article Feedback V5" link with the actual account - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35501 enhancement; MediaWiki extensions: ArticleFeedbackv5; (okeyes)
[20:32:00] 	 03(mod) replacing "hidden by Article Feedback V5" link with the actual account - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35501   +aftv5-1.5 (10Oliver Keyes)
[20:32:48] 	 JeroenDeDauw: I don't think you're supposed to push to changes
[20:32:48] 	 03(NEW) unrequesting oversight does not unhide - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35502 enhancement; MediaWiki extensions: ArticleFeedbackv5; (okeyes)
[20:32:55] 	 03(mod) unrequesting oversight does not unhide - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35502   +aftv5-1.5 (10Oliver Keyes)
[20:33:14] 	 JeroenDeDauw: That should probably be something like refs/for/master/foo
[20:33:39] 	 Dantman: I want to amend this stuff: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#change,3363
[20:34:02] 	 refs/for/master/dbdataobject
[20:35:12] 	 New review: Demon; "Bit of trailing w/s, but otherwise ok." [mediawiki/extensions/FlaggedRevs] (master); V: 1 C: 1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3450
[20:36:07] 	 New review: Demon; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/Math] (master); V: 0 C: 1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3723
[20:36:26] 	 Dantman: when I do that:
[20:36:27] 	 !  [remote rejected] f9d06d4626b4ad8e94accb7ad59a424f445fdfab -> refs/for/master/dbdataobject (missing Change-Id in commit message)
[20:36:31] 	 *sigh*
[20:36:48] 	 Fun... you can't even simply --amend
[20:37:20] 	 ...
[20:37:24] 	 New patchset: Jdlrobson; "footer version 2" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3757
[20:37:39] 	 ^demon: can you just merge that?
[20:37:42] 	 JeroenDeDauw: An --amend will trigger the commit hook that adds a Change-ID
[20:37:59] 	 ;) but you're not on the latest commit
[20:38:08] <^demon>	 AaronSchulz: Blah, fix it later, k?
[20:38:32] <^demon>	 I won't make you amend :)
[20:38:37] 	 last time I fixed w/s it conflicted with a dependent change patch and I have up on merging
[20:38:41] 	 So does anyone know how I can commit my changes? 
[20:39:07] 	 New review: Demon; "Aaron promised he'll fix the whitespace later." [mediawiki/extensions/FlaggedRevs] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3450
[20:39:09] 	 Change merged: Demon; [mediawiki/extensions/FlaggedRevs] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3453
[20:39:11] 	 Change merged: Demon; [mediawiki/extensions/FlaggedRevs] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3452
[20:39:12] 	 Change merged: Demon; [mediawiki/extensions/FlaggedRevs] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3451
[20:39:13] 	 Change merged: Demon; [mediawiki/extensions/FlaggedRevs] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3450
[20:39:42] 	 ^demon: an omnibus w/s is easier
[20:39:53] 	 maybe I can just wait and Reedy will randomly have it done already
[20:40:01] 	 JeroenDeDauw: You'll probably have to create a temporary branch name at the first commit. Run an --amend on it creating a separate commit. And then cherry-pick or rebase the other changes from the real branch into that fake branch. And then reset the real branch to your fake branch's commit.
[20:40:36] 	 Notice:  Array to string conversion in D:\www\DevWiki\core\includes\actions\HistoryAction.php on line 164

[20:41:00] <^demon>	 The other way is to trick gerrit. Just make a fresh branch from master, apply the patch from the previous patchset, make your changes. Make one single commit, inputting the original Change-Id:
[20:41:09] <^demon>	 :)
[20:41:24] 	 Oh wait, right... I'm wrong.
[20:41:52] 	 If you're amending an existing changeset you want to copy the Change-ID from the original.
[20:42:03] <^demon>	 As long as your changeset applies cleanly to master, it'll accept the new patchset regardless of the original history.
[20:42:23] <^demon>	 History can change with patchsets :)
[20:42:38] 	 New review: Aaron Schulz; "Can you explain the getPathInfo() change a bit more?" [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3680
[20:43:30] 	 03(NEW) Difficult to tell Listen In is disabled on 4.0 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35503 normal; Wiktionary App: Wiktionary; (pfhayes)
[20:44:02] 	 03(mod) Difficult to tell Listen In is disabled on 4.0 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35503  (10Patrick Hayes)
[20:44:37] 	 03(mod) Difficult to tell Listen In is disabled on 4.0 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35503  +comment (10Patrick Hayes)
[20:44:52] 	 New review: Demon; "(no comment)" [test/mediawiki/core] (REL1_19); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3705
[20:46:20] 	 03(NEW) Show Hide buttons not rendering properly - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35504 normal; Wiktionary App: Wiktionary; (pfhayes)
[20:46:36] 	 03(mod) [SRF] Not all selected Articles showing in format=calendar, timeline or eventline - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35318  +comment (10Yaron Koren)
[20:46:52] 	 03(mod) Show Hide buttons not rendering properly - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35504  (10Patrick Hayes)
[20:46:54] 	 New review: Aaron Schulz; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 1 C: 1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3680
[20:47:20] 	 error: could not apply 693da36.
[20:47:21] 	 FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
[20:47:34] 	 New review: Aaron Schulz; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/core] (REL1_19); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3750
[20:47:36] 	 Change merged: Aaron Schulz; [mediawiki/core] (REL1_19) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3750
[20:47:39] 	 K
[20:47:55] 	 *CK
[20:48:06] 	 New review: preilly; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3757
[20:48:09] 	 Change merged: preilly; [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3757
[20:48:29] 	 New review: Aaron Schulz; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/core] (REL1_18); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3751
[20:48:32] 	 Change merged: Aaron Schulz; [mediawiki/core] (REL1_18) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3751
[20:49:01] 	 Notice:  A non well formed numeric value encountered in D:\www\MediaWiki\phase3\includes\CryptRand.php on line 391

[20:49:09] * AaronSchulz  wants those to warnings to stfu
[20:49:58] 	 AaronSchulz: That fix should have been committed awhile ato
[20:50:49] * AaronSchulz  has pulled many a time
[20:51:30] * qchris  agrees with AaronSchulz
[20:51:32] 	 03(NEW) Increase font size on Link Option E - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35505 normal; MediaWiki extensions: ArticleFeedbackv5; (reha)
[20:52:10] 	 Dantman: I has, but not tagged 1.18.2 (it's on REL1_18)
[20:52:26] 	 03(NEW) Replace the graphical X button on Link Option A with "[X]" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35506 normal; MediaWiki extensions: ArticleFeedbackv5; (reha)
[20:52:38] 	 Coren: Of course it's not tagged 1.18.2, that bug is part of 1.18.2
[20:52:38] 	 03(mod) Replace the graphical X button on Link Option A with "[X]" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35506  (10Reha Sterbin)
[20:52:44] 	 The fix will never be tagged with that.
[20:52:58] 	 It'll be tagged with 1.18.3, but only when the release is actually made.
[20:53:15] 	 03(mod) Increase font size on Link Option E - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35505  (10Reha Sterbin)
[20:53:37] 	 Dantman: I am aware; simply pointing out that someone who got the release will have the error.
[20:54:01] 	 Dantman: Which wasn't meant to be pointed out to /you/ so much as to AaronSchulz.  :-)
[20:56:00] 	 Reedy: When do you think we'll be making the releases?
[20:56:09] 	 No idea
[20:56:10] 	 Later
[20:56:10] 	 ;)
[20:56:25] 	 I guess we probably shouldn't wait too long
[20:56:29] 	 mhmm
[20:56:33] 	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "I2b961e043dd1af9c843995bac7fc77bd671caa5e" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3758
[20:56:35] 	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Re-adding dbdataobject stuff which got pulled from core about 2 weeks back due to slush" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3363
[20:56:52] 	 I think we've wated long enough for Green to have found all the bugs we could reasonably find.
[20:57:10] 	 03(mod) result format JitGraph / PHP warning (1.7.1) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35307  +comment (10[[kgh]])
[20:57:39] 	 Indeed, if anything else was seriously broken, it would've probably come up by now
[20:58:27] 	 Is the email fix committed now?
[20:58:28] 	 New patchset: IAlex; "Sync HISTORY with RELEASE-NOTES from REL1_18" [mediawiki/core] (REL1_19) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3759
[21:00:40] 	 I don't get it... so I did a git review, and now I have a new entry here, but it's still my old code, while I did the git review on a branch that has the new code...
[21:00:40] 	 https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#change,3363
[21:01:03] 	 New patchset: IAlex; "Sync HISTORY with RELEASE-NOTES from REL1_18" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3760
[21:03:14] 	 New review: Demon; "The rename should've been part of patch set 3, not a subsequent commit. This should be squashed and ..." [mediawiki/core] (master); V: -1 C: -2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3758
[21:04:00] 	 ^demon: some help would be appreciated :)
[21:04:02] 	 New review: Aaron Schulz; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/core] (REL1_19); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3701
[21:04:04] 	 Change merged: Aaron Schulz; [mediawiki/core] (REL1_19) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3701
[21:05:26] 	 New review: Brion VIBBER; "hope this works" [mediawiki/extensions/Math] (master); V: 0 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3723
[21:05:50] 	 New review: Brion VIBBER; "hope this works" [mediawiki/extensions/Math] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3723
[21:05:52] 	 Change merged: Brion VIBBER; [mediawiki/extensions/Math] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3723
[21:06:44] 	 brion: that's encouraging
[21:06:48] 	 New patchset: Demon; "Re-adding dbdataobject stuff which got pulled from core about 2 weeks back due to slush" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3363
[21:07:31] 	 :p
[21:07:34] 	 Change abandoned: Demon; "Squashed into patchset 4 of https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#q,3363,n,z" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3758
[21:07:44] 	 Lydia_WMDE: hi, quick question, where is the most detailed Wikidata timeline?
[21:08:09] 	 sumanah: meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikidata/Technical_proposal
[21:08:24] 	 not very detailed...
[21:08:29] 	 but that'll change next month
[21:08:36] <^demon>	 JeroenDeDauw: See patch set 4.
[21:09:52] 	 thank you Lydia_WMDE 
[21:09:59] 	 np
[21:10:09] 	 ^demon: it's missing db/DBResult.php
[21:10:15] <^demon>	 Ugh.
[21:10:19] <^demon>	 And I missed AutoLoader.
[21:10:22] 	 03(mod) Manually fix blocks from when global oversight log removal problem started - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34995  (10Aaron Schulz)
[21:11:45] <^demon>	 JeroenDeDauw: Patch set 3, 2 and 1 don't have DBResult.php
[21:12:10] 	 ^demon: indeed
[21:12:57] 	 ^demon: this one does: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#change,3758
[21:14:12] 	 New review: Brion VIBBER; "Looks like it's missing a space?" [mediawiki/extensions/Math] (master); V: -1 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3752
[21:14:23] 	 New patchset: MrBlueSky; "Add option to hide redirects on Special:Prefixindex" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3761
[21:14:24] 	 New patchset: MrBlueSky; "Add filter to hide redirects in SpecialAllpages" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3762
[21:14:24] 	 New patchset: MrBlueSky; "Update release notes" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3763
[21:14:25] 	 New patchset: MrBlueSky; "Commentdocs" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3764
[21:14:26] 	 New patchset: IAlex; "Fix RELEASE-NOTES: add missing heading about 1.18.1 and fix the level of some others" [mediawiki/core] (REL1_18) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3765
[21:14:30] 	 03raindrift *  10/trunk/extensions/PageTriage/ (4 files in 3 dirs): fixed list view so it runs with debug=false too
[21:16:58] 	 03raindrift *  10/trunk/extensions/PageTriage/modules/ext.pageTriage.models/ext.pageTriage.article.js: correctly look up the api path
[21:17:12] 	 03(mod) Increase font size on Link Option E - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35505  +comment (10Reha Sterbin)
[21:17:27] 	 03(mod) Replace the graphical X button on Link Option A with "[X]" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35506  +comment (10Reha Sterbin)
[21:18:10] 	 New review: Jeroen De Dauw; "If someone cares to add the missing changes from this commit, I can't figure out how to: https://ger..." [mediawiki/core] (master) C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3363
[21:18:23] <^demon>	 I've got it
[21:18:34] 	 New patchset: Demon; "Re-adding dbdataobject stuff which got pulled from core about 2 weeks back due to slush" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3363
[21:18:38] 	 03raindrift *  10/trunk/extensions/PageTriage/modules/ext.pageTriage.models/ext.pageTriage.article.js: really correct api path this time.
[21:19:10] 	 ^demon: great, thanks.
[21:19:17] 	 New review: Demon; "Cut myself off at the end, meant to say "pull in DBResult"" [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3363
[21:19:39] 	 This does not help me for next time I need to commit something though...
[21:20:03] <^demon>	 It's pretty straightforward. Make a new branch, cherry pick in your patchset, make extra followup changes
[21:20:03] 	 And now I wasted an hour on this I have no more time to finish up my actual work, great
[21:20:18] <^demon>	 git commit -a --amend; git review
[21:20:21] 	 Right
[21:20:50] 	 ^demon: would be helpful to have a overview with all the steps in it (inc the git commands)
[21:21:37] 	 New patchset: TheDJ; "Adding arccot, arcsec and arccsc for bug 35186." [mediawiki/extensions/Math] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3767
[21:21:40] 	 New review: Hashar; "This release notes entry covers two changes:" [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3763
[21:22:52] 	 ^demon: You're good at CSS, right?
[21:23:10] 	 New patchset: IAlex; "Sync HISTORY with RELEASE-NOTES from REL1_18" [mediawiki/core] (REL1_19) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3759
[21:23:19] <^demon>	 Hazard-Away: Nope. I can't even pretend to be good at that.
[21:23:28] 	 Okay
[21:23:29] <^demon>	 I know how to make text bold, or give a div a background color.
[21:23:31] <^demon>	 That's about it :)
[21:24:23] 	 ^demon: Do you know how to make the enhanced RC time the "normal" text size
[21:24:56] <^demon>	 Enhanced RC? Is that a gadget?
[21:26:01] 	 No, enhanced recent changes is a core option
[21:26:39] <^demon>	 Oh. Well I assume it'd be like most other UI elements have have some class/ID on it that you could use to adjust the text size.
[21:27:08] 	 hi, im having a problem with skins.php... could someone please explain what this error msg might mean? http://pastebin.com/6rcfST9L
[21:27:41] 	 ^demon: Is  good at CSS?
[21:27:53] 	 New patchset: IAlex; "Sync HISTORY with RELEASE-NOTES from REL1_18" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3760
[21:29:19] 	 should i remove something? thanks for any help
[21:31:16] 	 original error msg here http://collectival.wikindoit.org/w/index.php?title=Welcome_to_the_Collectival_2012_Lebanon
[21:32:03] 	 03(NEW) Display please configure main page message if non found - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35507 normal; MediaWiki extensions: MobileFrontend; (tfinc)
[21:32:58] 	 03(mod) Display 'please configure' main page message if none found - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35507  summary (10Tomasz Finc)
[21:33:08] 	 03(mod) Display please configure main page message if none found - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35507  summary (10Patrick Reilly)
[21:33:47] 	 03(mod) Display please configure main page message if none found - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35507  +comment (10Patrick Reilly)
[21:36:32] 	 anyone.....?
[21:37:30] 	 New review: Daniel Friesen; "Originally $wgUsePathInfo was used to determine if WebRequest::getPathInfo would be used at all." [mediawiki/core] (master) C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3680
[21:37:48] 	 New patchset: TheDJ; "Load the TeX extension cancel, because it is supported by texvc and in use on wiki. Fixes part of Bug 35186" [mediawiki/extensions/Math] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3768
[21:37:55] 	 weep: Seems the skin has problems
[21:38:34] 	 weep: tooltipAndAccesskey was removed from the linker. The skin needs some tweaks to it's code.
[21:39:27] 	 03(mod) MathJax: Several commands that work in texvc are not recognized - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35186  +comment (10Derk-Jan Hartman)
[21:41:29] 	 03awjrichards *  10/branches/wmf/1.19wmf1/extensions/MobileFrontend/ (16 files in 6 dirs): Syncing to head of origin/master at Change-Id: Ic5b2491485a93909ae2a4c944f7140ed26fc1741
[21:41:40] 	 Dantman: thanks! any idea what tweak? this is the skins php, roundedblue.php http://pastebin.com/3yY9SvHX  it's in line 169 from what i understand...?
[21:42:01] 	 Hazard-Away: thanks
[21:43:10] 	 No prob!
[21:43:48] 	 i've tried just commenting out the line, didnt work...
[21:45:07] 	 03awjrichards *  10/branches/wmf/1.19wmf1/extensions/MobileFrontend/library/: Followup r114497, removing WURFL
[21:47:18] 	 weep: Line 183 too
[21:47:36] 	 and 194
[21:47:41] 	 New patchset: Christian; "testing first commit to gerrit and git" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3769
[21:47:51] 	 293, 296
[21:48:03] 	 297
[21:48:06] 	 03yaron *  10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/includes/SF_FormLinker.php: Fix for r93880 - added initialization of $propertyName
[21:48:06] 	 318
[21:48:12] 	 Hazard-Away: yes. but from the error msg, am i to understand the error started in line 169 and then created further error in other places, as listed on the error msg?
[21:48:29] * Hazard-Away  checks
[21:49:52] 	 I should usurp some of these skins with official repos
[21:50:01] 	 New review: Brion VIBBER; "Confirmed works in Chrome, similar results as texvc." [mediawiki/extensions/Math] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3767
[21:50:11] 	 Dantman: Yes :)
[21:50:19] 	 weep: I'll install it on my wiki and see, but I might have to go soon
[21:50:57] 	 Last commit 2010m
[21:51:02] 	 New patchset: Jarry1250; "First half of fix for bug #30332 ("API spamblocklist error should provide *all* blocked URLs, not just one")." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3740
[21:51:13] 	 ^demon: Tips for converting a svn repo into a git repo?
[21:51:23] 	 Hazard-Away: wow, thank you, that's great! there's a guy who's made it work, apparently - found him on the google code issues page, citing same issue as me, and he's now fixed it apparently?... http://animemanga.worldbeyblade.org/index.php/Main_Page
[21:51:29] 	 Or rather, instructions
[21:51:31] 	 cant get a hold of him of course...
[21:51:38] 	 AaronSchulz: Updated based on your inline comment (I think) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3740
[21:51:47] 	 weep: The fix is relatively simple
[21:51:58] 	 New patchset: awjrichards; "Minifying javascript pre-deployment" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3770
[21:52:24] 	 $skin->tooltipAndAccessKey( ... ) needs to become Xml::expandAttributes( $skin->tooltipAndAccesskeyAttributes( ... ) ); (double check the method names)
[21:52:37] 	 ...though that should actually be Linker:: not $skin->
[21:52:51] 	 But there are actually other things in that skin that are out of date
[21:53:18] 	 Dantman: yeah? im trying now.. / oh, is there?
[21:53:30] 	 New review: Brion VIBBER; "Confirmed works in Chrome, similar results to texvc." [mediawiki/extensions/Math] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3768
[21:53:32] 	 Change merged: Brion VIBBER; [mediawiki/extensions/Math] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3768
[21:54:49] 	 weep: It's not using our footerlinks and footericons code, it's not using headElement, it's not taking advantage of the BaseTemplate improvements, it's not using ResourceLoader...
[21:54:55] 	 New review: Reedy; "Rargh. Gerrit ate my comment." [mediawiki/extensions/AntiSpoof] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3408
[21:55:11] 	 But to top it off most of it's basically a MonoBook clone... it should really be a subskin
[21:55:36] 	 Dantman:  you mean like this 	echo Xml::expandAttributes( $skin->tooltipAndAccesskeyAttributes( "ca-$key" ); 
[21:55:54] <^demon>	 Dantman: Don't if you have complex history and/or more than ~3 or 4 branches.
[21:55:55] 	 Well, Linker:: is preferred.
[21:56:05] <^demon>	 Even then, plan to lose a lot of sleep if you value trying to reconstruct history.
[21:56:09] 	 ^demon: lol...
[21:56:19] 	 Dantman: i like it for the border it puts around the wiki - and some fresher spacing.. i dont know how to make it like that without this skin... :/
[21:56:37] 	 ^demon: It's a 9 commit skin repo. I just wanted to know how you did it.
[21:56:39] 	 New review: preilly; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3770
[21:56:40] <^demon>	 If history's not an issue, just do a straight copy+paste from a fresh git init and start fresh. You'll end up more sane as a result.
[21:56:41] 	 Change merged: preilly; [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3770
[21:57:01] <^demon>	 Dantman: My secret weapon: http://gitorious.org/~marcguenther/svn2git/marcguenther-svn2git/
[21:58:43] <^demon>	 Dantman: I'll probably write a very long retrospective on how to migrate svn -> git when this is all said and done.
[21:59:15] 	 03awjrichards *  10/branches/wmf/1.19wmf1/extensions/MobileFrontend/javascripts/ (beta_opensearch.min.js references.min.js): MFG Change-Id: I53b08a96e98647667821bab4c3d03e77c4c5323d
[22:00:12] 	 New review: Brion VIBBER; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/Math] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3767
[22:00:14] 	 Change merged: Brion VIBBER; [mediawiki/extensions/Math] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3767
[22:00:43] 	 Dantman: i have to change it for all of them?
[22:00:57] 	 of course
[22:01:24] 	 Dantman: but of course... :)
[22:03:11] 	 what about lines like these? 	?>"skin->tooltipAndAccesskey('t-whatlinkshere') ?>>msg('whatlinkshere') ?> 
[22:03:29] 	 thanks again for your help!
[22:04:55] 	 New review: Aaron Schulz; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3740
[22:04:58] 	 Change merged: Aaron Schulz; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3740
[22:06:22] 	 AaronSchulz: thanks.
[22:06:46] 	 Say I want to patch several extensions and the core at the same time, how would I go about doing that?
[22:07:05] 	 changed all but last type of line, still getting error msg in line 169 (same as before) ... is it possible to see in the source of the other wiki that had a working skin?
[22:07:06] 	 (And then submit to gerrit)
[22:07:09] 	 Krenair: Apparently with separate commits
[22:07:16] 	 Each pushed to gerrit individually.
[22:07:26] 	 Jarry1250: ...
[22:07:28] 	 Jarry1250
[22:07:30] 	 Seriously?
[22:07:57] 	 Yeah, although it's not that slow a process. You have your cloned repos
[22:08:14] 	 And you just open each in turn, commit, push-for-review.
[22:08:24] 	 Assuming you remembered to branch them all.
[22:08:46] 	 (What happens if you didn't I'm not sure)
[22:09:20] 	 New review: Brion VIBBER; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3760
[22:09:22] 	 ^demon: Do you know of any better ways to do this?
[22:09:22] 	 Change merged: Brion VIBBER; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3760
[22:09:25] 	 03(mod) printout statement #MEDIAWIKI not working as expected (1.7.1) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34173  summary (10[[kgh]])
[22:09:32] 	 New review: Demon; "I wouldn't bother adding the config table yet. The work there's not really done and is liable to cha..." [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3699
[22:10:00] 	 New review: Brion VIBBER; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/core] (REL1_19); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3759
[22:10:03] 	 Change merged: Brion VIBBER; [mediawiki/core] (REL1_19) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3759
[22:10:11] 	 03(NEW) List of users - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35508 normal; Wikimedia: Git/Gerrit; (sumanah)
[22:10:17] <^demon>	 Krenair: That's the way to do it. Once the meta-repo for extensions is done you could get by with a one-liner to push.
[22:10:31] <^demon>	 But at the very least, it's going to technically be a push-per-extension
[22:10:46] 	 ... Right
[22:11:00] 	 New review: Brion VIBBER; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/core] (REL1_18); V: 0 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3765
[22:11:05] 	 In that case I'll leave the patch on bugzilla and hope hashar gets around to reviewing it there instead
[22:11:11] 	 New review: Brion VIBBER; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/core] (REL1_18); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3765
[22:11:13] 	 Change merged: Brion VIBBER; [mediawiki/core] (REL1_18) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3765
[22:11:18] 	 03(mod) Migrate subversion to git (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/22596  (10Sumana Harihareswara)
[22:11:19] 	 03(mod) List of users - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35508  normal->15enhancement; +comment (10Sumana Harihareswara)
[22:11:50] 	 New review: Brion VIBBER; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3763
[22:12:27] 	 03(mod) List of Gerrit users - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35508  summary; +comment (10Sumana Harihareswara)
[22:12:35] 	 New review: Brion VIBBER; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3764
[22:12:39] 	 03raindrift *  10/trunk/extensions/PageTriage/ (4 files in 2 dirs): added actual metadata to the template, proper i18n strings
[22:16:29] 	 New review: Demon; "Rather than doing this as a followup to the other revision, the original patch should be amended to ..." [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: -2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3763
[22:17:18] 	 New review: Brion VIBBER; "Appears to work, but only tested on a site with too few items to page. Please confirm it works when ..." [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 1 C: 1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3762
[22:18:24] 	 Huh. Shouldn't blank pages show up on Special:ShortPages?
[22:21:10] <^demon>	 brion: Rather than doing followups to existing changes, it's better to amend the first patchset.
[22:21:17] <^demon>	 For things missed like REL-NOTES or tests.
[22:21:34] <^demon>	 (Unless it's already merged, in which case a new change is required)
[22:21:42] 	 ^demon, *nod* just saw yer note
[22:21:47] 	 agreed that's the right way
[22:23:38] 	 New patchset: TheDJ; "Remove textcolor macro. It was just a hack to make the colors work." [mediawiki/extensions/Math] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3771
[22:24:03] <^demon>	 brion: I think the hard part is getting in the mindset of thinking of things as changes, rather than the individual commits.
[22:24:13] <^demon>	 Once you get used to that, the individual commits become less important.
[22:24:21] 	 New patchset: awjrichards; "Made method name of 'Language::getLanguageName' conditional depending on if 'fetch' or 'get' exists (1.19 v 1.20)" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3772
[22:26:15] <^demon>	 Anyway, dinner time.
[22:28:11] 	 ^demon|away: How was that svn2git compiled?
[22:28:26] <^demon|away>	 qmake && make
[22:29:41] 	 Dantman: how can i get that nice blue border as the problematic skin has? can it be done simply in common.css? 
[22:31:02] 	 New patchset: awjrichards; "Made method name of 'Language::getLanguageName' conditional depending on if 'fetch' or 'get' exists (1.19 v 1.20)" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3772
[22:33:11] 	 03(mod) MathJax: Several commands that work in texvc are not recognized - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35186  +comment (10Derk-Jan Hartman)
[22:38:06] 	 New patchset: awjrichards; "Made method name of 'Language::getLanguageName' conditional depending on if 'fetch' or 'get' exists (1.19 v 1.20)" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3772
[22:38:53] 	 New review: preilly; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3772
[22:38:56] 	 Change merged: preilly; [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3772
[22:39:59] 	 New patchset: TheDJ; ""\displaystyle" does not need curly braces as it does not take a parameter." [mediawiki/extensions/Math] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3752
[22:41:26] 	 New review: Brion VIBBER; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/Math] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3752
[22:41:28] 	 Change merged: Brion VIBBER; [mediawiki/extensions/Math] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3752
[22:42:37] 	 New review: Brion VIBBER; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/Math] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3771
[22:42:40] 	 Change merged: Brion VIBBER; [mediawiki/extensions/Math] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3771
[22:43:39] 	 brion: the styling of those additional texvc symbols is something we might want to fix before flipping that mathjax switch.
[22:43:58] 	 *nod*
[22:44:06] 	 any idea how/if to change that?
[22:44:36] 	 no haven't looked deep enough into it yet.
[22:45:03] 	 perhaps davide would know how to do some sort of 
[22:45:11] 	 inherit
[22:45:21] 	 at the module level
[22:45:33] 	 yeah, worth asking
[22:46:20] 	 03awjrichards *  10/branches/wmf/1.19wmf1/extensions/MobileFrontend/MobileFrontend.body.php: MFT Change-Id: I510fe48f5aa7e1de0f2b2155fde02c646c5eeb63
[22:46:22] 	 New patchset: Inez; "Just a test" [test/mediawiki/extensions/examples] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3773
[22:46:46] 	 anyways, bedtime
[22:47:04] 	 New review: Brion VIBBER; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/WikiEditor] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3684
[22:47:07] 	 Change merged: Brion VIBBER; [mediawiki/extensions/WikiEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3684
[22:50:21] 	 New review: Brion VIBBER; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/WikiEditor] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3681
[22:50:24] 	 Change merged: Brion VIBBER; [mediawiki/extensions/WikiEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3681
[22:52:10] 	 New patchset: awjrichards; "Fixing typo at line 300, 'Lanuage' -> 'Language'" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3774
[22:53:09] 	 New review: Christian; "Looks good." [test/mediawiki/extensions/examples] (master) C: 1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3773
[22:53:26] 	 New review: awjrichards; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3774
[22:53:28] 	 Change merged: awjrichards; [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3774
[22:54:33] 	 03awjrichards *  10/branches/wmf/1.19wmf1/extensions/MobileFrontend/MobileFrontend.body.php: MFG Change-Id: Ie47095aeae42fdb1e2768879dc668f37e06c8729
[22:55:08] 	 mfg ? merge from gerrit ?
[22:55:21] 	 git/gerrit
[22:56:26] 	 New review: Brion VIBBER; "testing yay! :)" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master); V: 0 C: -2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3769
[23:01:06] 	 what's the plan for the rest of the projects in subversion? is it possible to move projects to git manually?
[23:03:11] 	 03awjrichards *  10/branches/wmf/1.19wmf1/extensions/MobileFrontend/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Followup r114497; Adding files that got missed in previous sync to git origin/master head
[23:12:46] 	 New review: Aaron Schulz; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/ClickTracking] (master); V: 1 C: 1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3755
[23:14:28] 	 If I have a page, the sole content of which is {{Use dmy dates}}, why do api.php?action=parse&page=Sandbox and api.php?action=parse&text={{Use%20dmy%20dates}} yield different things?
[23:15:41] 	 New review: Aaron Schulz; "Is there a specific exception type this is tying to catch or exceptions from a few key lines of code..." [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3328
[23:16:27] 	 Jarry1250: The different title?
[23:17:23] 	 Dantman: Good idea, but it's not context-dependent - one yields the relevant category, the other doesn't. I guess this is an expansion thing...
[23:17:47] 	 03(mod) replacing "hidden by Article Feedback V5" link with the actual account - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35501  +comment (10Fabrice Florin)
[23:17:55] 	 03(NEW) setting a property with a special property value of type date causes fatal error on data refresh (1.7.1) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35509 normal; MediaWiki extensions: Semantic MediaWiki; (mediawiki)
[23:18:19] 	 03(mod) MathJax doesn't show double lines in tables - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35190  +comment (10Derk-Jan Hartman)
[23:18:24] 	 03(NEW) Make Gerrit project list more discoverable and available - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35510 enhancement; Wikimedia: Git/Gerrit; (sumanah)
[23:18:56] 	 03(mod) Make Gerrit project list more discoverable and available - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35510  (10Sumana Harihareswara)
[23:18:57] 	 03(mod) Migrate subversion to git (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/22596  (10Sumana Harihareswara)
[23:19:17] 	 Oh, and &disablepp doesn't work if you specify page, but I guess that's to be expected because of the caching.
[23:20:08] 	 03(mod) unrequesting oversight does not unhide - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35502  -aftv5-1.5 +aftv5-2.0; +comment (10Fabrice Florin)
[23:20:44] 	 03raindrift *  10/trunk/extensions/PageTriage/ (5 files in 4 dirs):
[23:20:44] 	 added article link to api
[23:20:44] 	 moved template into special page
[23:20:44] 	 made the metadata actually work and stuff
[23:20:57] 	 ^demon|away: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=22596&hide_resolved=1 has a few more items now as I am trying to move all the issues into Bugzilla. saper if there's more you've discovered please file it
[23:21:09] 	 I have just upgraded mediawiki from 1.16 to 1.18.2 and the monobook skin is not looking right. Is there any comprehensive changes log/release notes that I can read for all the necessary changes that I should make to make it work/look right?
[23:21:19] 	 ^demon|away: Trying to get qmake in through MacPorts is /fun/
[23:21:44] 	 gColossus: By any chance is all the css missing
[23:21:58] 	 New patchset: Inez; "Test commit" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3775
[23:22:16] 	 Dantman: yeah, i inspect using firebug and i don't see any css whatsoever 
[23:23:52] 	 gColossus: At first glance, sounds like you have screwed up rewrite rules or something that is stopping /load.php from working
[23:24:05] 	 Dantman: but the css are there under skins/monobook
[23:24:32] 	 gColossus: 1.17+ resources are loaded from /load.php, not from the filesystem
[23:24:42] 	 only project owners can merge into an extension, right?
[23:24:43] 	 New review: Tim Starling; "The getaddrinfo() thing is fixed but not the &delimiter thing." [analytics/udp-filters] (master); V: 0 C: -2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3222
[23:24:57] 	 Time to restart
[23:25:33] 	 Dantman: so there are a lot of architectural changes from 1.16 to 1.18? :(
[23:26:51] 	 1.18 came nearly 18 months after 1.16
[23:27:06] 	 gColossus: Well yes, but if it's just a  problematic rewrite rule it shouldn't be too hard to fix.
[23:27:46] 	 Basically you just stop trying to rewrite load.php?foo into a pretty URL
[23:27:54] 	 Jarry1250: would you be able to shed some more insight into it? since we have a separate sysops group that handled the upgrade, we are testing it right now and not sure where it went wrong
[23:27:57] 	 is it just my imagination or is gerrit next to useless as soon as someone makes a branch?
[23:28:35] 	 https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#change,3222
[23:28:52] 	 gColossus: Actually I'm pretty useless at this myself, but if Dantman's correct, you just need to adjust your .htaccess (or comparable)
[23:28:52] 	 I know what Diederik did in patchset 4 because I fetched it locally and used gitk
[23:29:00] 	 but I don't see any obvious way to get that information from gerrit
[23:29:13] 	 ok, someone left a comment at a line in a patch i made. I replied and it shows my reply as a draft (which I dont see when logged out). How do i make this a reply that the other guy can actually see?
[23:29:24] 	 local fetches seem to be necessary for at least half of the reviews I've done so far
[23:29:55] 	 with CodeReview and Subversion I needed the subversion CLI for maybe 1% of commits
[23:29:59] 	 New patchset: Christian; "Test commit" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3775
[23:30:48] 	 Dantman: would something like this http://paste.pocoo.org/show/571792/ potentially cause things to break? if so, where exactly did that happen?
[23:31:39] 	 anyone?
[23:32:21] 	 Sid-G: click review, then "publish comments"
[23:33:22] 	 New review: Christian; "oh..." [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3775
[23:34:25] 	 03(FIXED) Set up gitweb redirects so that Gerrit will work as repo browser - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34140  +comment (10Chad H.)
[23:35:05] * Dantman  wishes OSX's terminal had linking
[23:35:17] 	 New review: Siddhartha Ghai; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/Narayam] (master) C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3514
[23:35:20] 	 TimStarling:Thnx
[23:35:37] 	 03(mod) Autolink to new Gerrit / Git changesets and SHA-1 commits - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35144  +comment (10Chad H.)
[23:35:54] 	 gColossus: Yes... I'm not even sure how your wiki was functioning completely in the first place
[23:36:12] 	 03(mod) git-review for branches - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35456  +comment (10Marcin Cieślak)
[23:36:16] 	 Oh wait n/m
[23:36:27] 	 TimStarling:Btw, am I being a noob or is gerrit being horrible GUI? Just wondering if its only me...
[23:36:29] 	 I was mistaken by the HTTPS bit
[23:36:48] 	 Sid-G: I don't mind it being ugly
[23:37:02] 	 It's very visually unattractive.
[23:37:13] 	 I do mind when it doesn't provide basic features and makes basic reviews take 5 times longer than they did in subversion + CodeReview
[23:37:20] 	 Dantman: The configuration we have right now is that we host multiple wikis, we have one directory that stores default mediawiki instance, each of the wiki will have symlinks to the default instances if necessary
[23:37:21] 	 Joan:Inaccessible is the word
[23:37:24] 	 I think I saw something about Roan and Krinkkle trying to improve it, but the CSS is auto-generated or something.
[23:37:43] <^demon|away>	 Joan: Work in progress: http://gerrit-dev.wmflabs.org/r/#q,status:open,n,z
[23:37:46] 	 Oh, you mean its use? Yeah, it doesn't seem very intuitive.
[23:37:46] 	 gColossus: right now I can see that the wiki i am testing doesn't have load.php and load.php5 and other files/dirs linked properly
[23:37:47] 	 gColossus: By any chance is index.php a symlink?
[23:37:54] 	 ^demon|away: :D
[23:38:04] 	 gColossus: Then that would be the issue
[23:38:07] 	 Dantman: yes, it is a symlink, but others weren't linked
[23:38:16] 	 Dantman: i will try to link them and see if that solves the issue :)
[23:39:04] 	 03(mod) Two-way syncing between Gerrit and GitHub - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35497  (10Chad H.)
[23:39:05] 	 03(mod) Setup external git mirrors/clones - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35429  (10Chad H.)
[23:39:57] 	 New review: MrBlueSky; "Aha. So if I understand this correctly: it's better to do several related changes like these in one ..." [mediawiki/core] (master) C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3763
[23:40:34] 	 Dantman: okies, works now :)
[23:40:52] 	 Hmmm...
[23:41:10] 	 One of these days we should add some test code to the installer that now does upgrades.
[23:41:45] 	 Pffft
[23:42:04] 	 "load.php cannot be reached, this will leave your wiki partially unusable. You likely have broken rewrite rules or something else preventing load.php from being reached."
[23:42:19] 	 New review: Demon; "Yes. Release-notes should always be updated with the change in question." [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: -2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3763
[23:42:36] 	 ^demon|away:Why does the test-gerrit have "Anonymous Coward" as default-username!?!
[23:43:00] <^demon|away>	 Because that's the default.
[23:43:03] 	 ;) And while we're at it we can give them a kick in the shins if they have wgArticlePath enabled and & or + titles break.
[23:43:23] 	 Dantman: that sounds like a great addition to the beta you guys are working on, yeah? :P
[23:43:34] 	 eh, beta?
[23:43:37] 	 Oh... 1.19
[23:43:40] 	 No.
[23:43:54] 	 gColossus: We don't backport features to betas.
[23:44:01] 	 ^demon|away:gerrit default? I cant seem to get that at the in-use gerrit
[23:44:29] <^demon|away>	 The login procedures are configured differently on the test vs. production.
[23:44:49] 	 gColossus: Beta is a packaged up release branch. The only goal is to make sure the release branch is free of bugs before making a final release. All new features go into trunk.
[23:45:02] 	 Backporting features would delay the release even further.
[23:45:24] 	 ^demon|away:U dont plan on using that at the production version once u fix it, do u? :O
[23:45:39] 	 New patchset: Tim Starling; "Fix typo in comment" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3776
[23:46:03] <^demon|away>	 It's a test install for UI tweaks.
[23:46:11] <^demon|away>	 Not an actual production clone
[23:46:34] 	 ^demon|away:that is obvious
[23:46:36] 	 Dantman: oh ic :) oh well, but that should definitely go on the list because ppl upgrading from older wiki would have no clue what happened since it wasn't documented anywhere (at least I wasn't able to find them) :(
[23:47:03] 	 New review: Tim Starling; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3776
[23:47:08] 	 Change merged: Tim Starling; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3776
[23:48:30] 	 ha
[23:49:04] 	 I thought I would do one good commit and one screwed up commit, to demonstrate what a screwed up commit looks like
[23:49:13] 	 but the first one was accidentally screwed up
[23:49:32] 	 hehe
[23:49:56] 	 good ^)
[23:51:24] 	 ha.
[23:51:38] 	 Dantman: one side question, was there any fundamental changes to Skin.php? We have a home brewed skin that is breaking after the upgrade. Error says: Original exception: exception 'MWException' with message 'Call to  undefined method SkinCpp2011::tooltipAndAccesskey' in  /var/www/localhost/htdocs/mediawiki/includes/Skin.php:1567
[23:52:12] 	 I think you're the 2nd person to ask about that in the last few hours
[23:52:25] 	 gColossus: There were... but that one is actually something else... tooltipAndAccesskey was removed from the Linker
[23:53:16] 	 Dantman: hmm, any easy fix for that? right now even the monobook skin is breaking
[23:53:41] 	 gColossus: :/ You modified MonoBook and didn't update?
[23:53:44] 	 Dantman: but I guess that happened because we unlinked skins and made a physical copy of that. And i guess those skins were changed from 1.16 to 1.18
[23:53:48] <^demon|away>	 saper: Do you need those commits to test/mediawiki/core or can I abandon them?
[23:54:08] 	 Dantman: oh well, we did not modified monobook, but we DID NOT update the skins :P lemme fix it
[23:54:21] 	 gColossus: tooltipAndAccesskey needs to be replaced with tooltipAndAccessKeyAttributes and wrapped in Xml::expandAttributes
[23:54:34] 	 ...double check the method names though, those are off the top of my head
[23:54:39] 	 Dantman: crap ... I should note that down ...
[23:54:46] 	 ^demon|away: I'd like to find out how to fix the merge conflict (I think it was 3705)
[23:55:16] 	 gColossus: We need to get more people to submit there skins to places we an update them
[23:55:17] 	 and I also found out that gerrit is producing (1) too many (2) useless emails
[23:55:32] 	 TimStarling:I found a way to find the difference between two patchsets without having to download
[23:55:52] <^demon|away>	 saper: I'll agree that it's rather verbose. I don't find them useless though.
[23:55:58] 	 TimStarling:U were looking for that, right?
[23:56:01] 	 Dantman: something like "Bring out the dead" from Monty Python's "Holy Grail"?
[23:56:09] <^demon|away>	 And they've very machine readable, so just about any mail client should be able to handle rules for them.
[23:56:28] <^demon|away>	 Dantman: We could make mediawiki/skins/* at some point in git.
[23:57:34] 	 ^demon|away: I received 38 emails as a result of your reviews, ca. 4 of them are useful (there should be 1 per changeset imho)
[23:58:21] <^demon|away>	 Well you submitted a ton of complicated changes that conflicted with each other. To be perfectly honest, I don't know *what* you did to get yourself into that mess.
[23:58:27] 	 Dantman: mmm, i will try to fix it and will let you know
[23:58:40] 	 New patchset: Tim Starling; "Revert previous commit: accidental branch merge" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3777
[23:58:48] 	 ^demon|away: in some cases I think saper is doing (very worthwhile) testing
[23:59:11] <^demon|away>	 I don't doubt that. But I'm trying to figure out what went wrong there.
[23:59:37] 	 yeah, hard to make use of the edge-case finding when we don't know precisely how to reproduce
[23:59:46] 	 New review: Tim Starling; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3777
[23:59:50] 	 Change merged: Tim Starling; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3777
[23:59:50] 	 saper: also I liked your use of "ca." there :-)
[23:59:52] 	 Dantman: gahhhh, seems like we need to overhaul the whole skin :(
[23:59:52] 	 Dantman: used to be MediaWIki http://www.beagle-project.org/Talk:Main_page :)