[00:00:21] <Coren>	 At least, it wasn't a FOAF!  That's even /less/ credible.  :-)
[00:00:26] <TimStarling>	 supporting porn sites is not really high on my list of priorities
[00:01:07] <TimStarling>	 MW is partly software and partly a vehicle for spreading a philosophy of openness
[00:01:25] * AaronSchulz  holds back inappropriate remarks

[00:01:27] <Joan>	 That's why it supports complete read restrictions.
[00:01:48] * saper  checks ... copyleftporn.org is still available

[00:02:14] <TimStarling>	 sure, but not fine-grained read restrictions, it's all or nothing
[00:02:41] <TimStarling>	 so it encourages larger groups where everyone can see what everyone else is doing
[00:02:42] <Coren>	 TimStarling: I prefer to make no judgment on what people choose to host, or what they find valuable.  :-)  In that case, moving to the more-open wiki was desirable, criminal liability less so.  I had no objection to helping one and preventing the other.
[00:03:53] <Coren>	 TimStarling: As a sysadmin, I'm amoral.  I push, hint, and coax people into open source, open contents; but my job is to give them the tools to do what /they/ want (though I would just choose to not help someone who strayed too far from my own compass)
[00:04:29] <Joan>	 That isn't what amoral means.
[00:05:01] <Coren>	 Joan: Not strictly.  I mean in the more colloquail, "morally neutral" sense.
[00:05:04] <TimStarling>	 no, it sounds like you're being quite moral in hinting and coaxing
[00:05:21] <Joan>	 And quite moral in steering clear of what you find objectionable.
[00:05:24] <Coren>	 colloquial.  I wonder if colloquails are small tasty birds?
[00:05:28] <Joan>	 You could just say you're more open and liberal than others.
[00:05:44] <Coren>	 Okay, that's a good point.
[00:05:48] <domas>	 =)
[00:05:51] <Joan>	 Domas!
[00:06:05] <domas>	 whatsup!
[00:06:09] <AaronSchulz>	 maybe we need a #mediawiki-philosophy channel
[00:06:41] <Coren>	 Regardless, I'm guessing there was a point about my fugly hack?  :-)
[00:06:48] <TimStarling>	 I reckon I could do a better job of gerrit's code review interface in about a week in PHP
[00:07:06] <TimStarling>	 i.e. less time than it took various MW people to write the CodeReview interface
[00:07:08] <domas>	 phabricator is so much better!
[00:07:25] <domas>	 and yes, codereview wasn't bad either :)
[00:07:29] <AaronSchulz>	 hey, brion was one of those people
[00:08:02] <Joan>	 Isn't gerrit open source?
[00:08:12] <Joan>	 Why doesn't Wikimedia just hijack it and make it not suck?
[00:08:12] <Coren>	 Oh, hey, is there a reason bug 5445 was never done?  That looks like something that would be valuable to solve.
[00:08:16] <Reedy>	 Java.
[00:08:28] <Joan>	 Well, presumably you were aware it was in Java before choosing it.
[00:08:29] <Coren>	 Joan: Making java not suck?   Tall order!
[00:08:30] <Joan>	 I'm not sure why that matters.
[00:08:50] <AaronSchulz>	 apparently the JS is generated from Java too
[00:08:57] <TimStarling>	 yeah, we'd have more hope of hijacking phabricator, if it wasn't good enough already
[00:09:59] <codurr>	 03ning * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/114545> 10/trunk/extensions/WikiObjectModel/includes/models/WOM_OM_NestProperty.php: apply caption to WOM nest property
[00:10:08] <Joan>	 Coren: I thought the point regarding your hcak weas that it was antithetical to MediaWiki's objectives and philosophy.
[00:10:14] <Joan>	 your hack was
[00:10:26] <TimStarling>	 is there a big public phabricator instance somewhere?
[00:11:12] <Joan>	 https://secure.phabricator.com/D192 Username/password: demo/demo
[00:11:18] <Reedy>	 How big is big? https://secure.phabricator.com/ for phabricator
[00:11:40] <TimStarling>	 I figured by the username and password box that it wasn't public
[00:12:45] <Coren>	 Joan: I don't believe that's true.  It's certainly at odds with /WikiMedia's/ objectives and philosophy, but the software is just a tool.  A restricted wiki, even on the stringent side (which that hack was), is better than a closed CMS with no history, no export.
[00:13:07] <Joan>	 Are there CMSes with no history?
[00:13:30] <Coren>	 Joan: Plenty, with no publically accessible history (that's what I meant)
[00:13:36] <TimStarling>	 that demo account seems to give you access to a single change
[00:13:45] <TimStarling>	 so that's not what I meant by big
[00:13:47] <Coren>	 Damn my ESL.  I'm not even sure I wrote that right.
[00:14:23] <Reedy>	 TimStarling: ask domas for his facebook login details
[00:14:23] <Joan>	 https://secure.phabricator.com/diffusion/ARC/
[00:14:34] <Joan>	 I think those are repos.
[00:14:40] <Joan>	 Did you login at /D140 or at /?
[00:14:50] <Joan>	 I see a bunch of commits at /diffusion/ARC/
[00:15:11] <Joan>	 https://secure.phabricator.com/diffusion/ is the list of repos.
[00:15:20] <Joan>	 D192 *
[00:15:44] <Coren>	 Oh, eew!  I need to clean my desk up.  I just took a swig of yesterday's coffee.
[00:15:53] <Joan>	 1,806 commits to phabricator.
[00:15:58] <Joan>	 Surely that's big enough.
[00:16:54] <Joan>	 Okay, so don't click the large rainbow at the top of the window.
[00:17:17] <Reedy>	 What's wrong with nyan cat?
[00:18:17] <Joan>	 It's against God.
[00:18:40] <Coren>	 Joan: After all, not everyone uses mediawiki for the same things; I support and participate to free culture, but other uses are no less legitimate for being focused on other things.
[00:18:51] <TimStarling>	 is there a reason why it has to fill in the browse repository table with so many slow uncacheable XHR POST requests?
[00:19:06] <Joan>	 domas: report.py (and you) got a shout-out at https://blog.wikimedia.org/2012/03/15/measuring-site-performance-at-the-wikimedia-foundation/
[00:19:09] <Joan>	 Not sure if you saw.
[00:19:19] <domas>	 saw that
[00:19:26] <Joan>	 You're e-famous!
[00:19:27] <TimStarling>	 anyway yes it's better than gerrit
[00:19:29] <domas>	 I'm not a big believer in measurement 
[00:19:43] <TimStarling>	 it actually has a working diff feature
[00:19:43] <domas>	 I'm a big believer in acting upon measurementsĄ
[00:19:44] <domas>	 :)
[00:19:55] <Joan>	 Heh.
[00:19:58] <Coren>	 Joan: Like, right now, I'm working on a wiki for play-by-post roleplaying and collective campaing world building (hence, funnily enough, the dice rolling extension).  It it produce free culture, but the organization will still be more restrictive than a "pure" wiki.
[00:20:18] <AaronSchulz>	 TimStarling: you know enough to know that it's better than gerrit already?
[00:20:27] <Joan>	 Coren: Philosophically MediaWiki has opposed granularized read restrictions.
[00:20:39] <TimStarling>	 yes
[00:20:47] <TimStarling>	 I mean there are two basic features you need in a code review tool
[00:20:50] <TimStarling>	 1. viewing diffs
[00:20:53] <TimStarling>	 2. leaving comments
[00:21:01] <TimStarling>	 gerrit does both incredibly poorly, so it's not a high bar
[00:21:06] <Joan>	 I'm not sure why CodeReview was abandoned.
[00:22:06] <^demon>	 It would've been great to get all of this feedback regarding Git some time ago when I was pushing repos and asking people to play with them.
[00:22:22] <Coren>	 Joan: I know.  I've never quite understood or agreed with that stance; certainly those are laudable (and, indeed, critical) components of what the Foundation needs and wants; and I'd agree 100% to the idea that not a cent should be spent to work on those things from them (in monies or time)
[00:22:22] <^demon>	 Rather than waiting until day zero to start touching it and then going "no fair, it sucks"
[00:22:30] <Guest92901>	  does $wgInputEncoding still work when set to UTF-8... what is better
[00:23:01] <Joan>	 Coren: I'm sure Wikimedia wikis would benefit for better read restrictions.
[00:23:05] <Joan>	 And better restrictions in general.
[00:23:10] <Coren>	 Joan: I just never made the leap to "the software should not support it at all".
[00:23:24] <Joan>	 Tim agrees with you there.
[00:23:30] <Joan>	 I think.
[00:23:34] <domas>	 coren: software supports that
[00:23:45] <Coren>	 Joan: That's a different debate entirely.  :-)  Remember, I was on the enwp ArbCom for five long, long years.  I saw the worst of it.  :-)
[00:23:46] <domas>	 you're just supposed to configure that somehow
[00:23:52] <domas>	 or use an extension 
[00:23:53] <domas>	 or whatnot
[00:24:00] <Joan>	 Coren: Oh? You're a Wikipedian?
[00:24:10] <Coren>	 Joan: With that username even.
[00:24:16] <Joan>	 I had no idea.
[00:24:20] <^demon>	 I ran for enwiki arbcom a long time ago. Man oh man I'm glad that never actually happened :)
[00:24:30] <Coren>	 ^demon: You have no idea.  :-)
[00:24:39] <Guest92901>	  does $wgInputEncoding still work when set to UTF-8... what is better
[00:24:43] <Joan>	 domas: Most of the extensions aren't very secure.
[00:25:00] <Joan>	 !wg InputEncoding
[00:25:01] <mw-bot>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgInputEncoding
[00:25:05] <TimStarling>	 ^demon: well, if we're invested in gerrit, we can probably fix the most obvious problems
[00:25:05] <Dantman>	 Must. resist temptation to write a 'central navigation' standard
[00:25:18] <Joan>	 Guest92901: I'm not sure why you'd fiddle with that setting (ever).
[00:25:23] <domas>	 gerrit needs monobook scheme
[00:25:23] <Joan>	 It looks like it was even removed from MediaWiki.
[00:25:31] <domas>	 didn't you see, openstack people did some work
[00:25:41] <TimStarling>	 domas: CSS, classes and IDs are autogenerated
[00:25:59] <TimStarling>	 eclipse managed to theme gerrit, but I suppose they are java developers
[00:26:08] <TimStarling>	 every other instance I've looked at looks identical
[00:26:09] <Reedy>	 If they couldn't..
[00:26:18] <^demon>	 Roan and Timo have some basic skinning work in progress.
[00:26:19] <Coren>	 Joan: But, say, Aaron's extension - IMO - *should* be configurable to prevent reading unflagged revision if that's what the site admin wants/needs.  I would also fight very, very hard against that feature being turned on on enwp.  (Though /for/ FR in general)
[00:26:21] <^demon>	 So that's doable.
[00:26:21] <Joan>	 You could change the default CSS.
[00:26:27] <domas>	 timstarling: https://review.openstack.org/#q,status:open,n,z ;-)
[00:26:31] <Joan>	 Oh, the CSS is autogenerated too?
[00:26:37] <Dantman>	 ;) Yes
[00:26:39] <AaronSchulz>	 Coren: no it shouldn't
[00:27:06] <AaronSchulz>	 I have some hook hack code in an FR subpage on mw.org for that
[00:27:14] <AaronSchulz>	 but it's best left out of the code
[00:27:17] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) LQT comments are not displayed after editing them - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35547 normal; MediaWiki extensions: LiquidThreads; (mybugs.mail)
[00:27:26] <Joan>	 It kind of depends how well it works, doesn't it?
[00:27:31] <Coren>	 AaronSchulz: Okay, I'll bite.  Why?
[00:27:33] <Joan>	 It sounds hackish and easy to bypass.
[00:27:44] <Joan>	 So you don't want to give end-users a sense of false security.
[00:28:03] <TimStarling>	 anyway I'm not much of an aesthete
[00:28:21] <TimStarling>	 it's not the lack of rounded corners or the shade of green that bothers me
[00:28:28] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Robmoen; "At first glance, wgCentralPagePath looked funny being initialized as false." [mediawiki/extensions/CentralNotice] (master) C: 1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3717
[00:28:38] <^demon>	 TimStarling: Release notes for upcoming 2.3 release https://gerrit-review.googlesource.com/#/c/33220/9/ReleaseNotes/ReleaseNotes-2.3.txt
[00:28:40] <TimStarling>	 it's the lack of a complete unified diff shown on one page
[00:28:52] <TimStarling>	 and the inability to generate a diff between changesets
[00:28:56] <Joan>	 It looks like the gerrit_body class is fairly standard.
[00:29:24] <TimStarling>	 btw I did one today using rebase
[00:29:31] <^demon>	 The "diff on merge" issue is definitely on their radar and is being worked on (as of a couple of weeks ago).
[00:29:48] <^demon>	 "Having one unified diff inline" was submitted by Roan and will probably need some prodding to get fixed.
[00:29:59] <TimStarling>	 basically you fetch all changesets into their own branches and then rebase each branch in turn to some fixed point (I used master)
[00:30:09] <TimStarling>	 then you can do diffs between them
[00:30:22] <TimStarling>	 the process could be automated, I will probably at least write a script
[00:30:32] <domas>	 is mediawiki using gerrit already?
[00:30:37] <TimStarling>	 yes
[00:30:39] <domas>	 did the git switch happen?
[00:30:41] <domas>	 oh noes
[00:30:47] <TimStarling>	 yes, you missed it
[00:30:47] <Joan>	 https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/
[00:31:24] <Dantman>	 domas: ;) And we already have release branches where the svn versions have bugs that were fixed in git
[00:31:25] <Reedy>	 domas: it's ok, you can still live hack the site using svn
[00:31:39] <Joan>	 So it looks like openstack just inserts a <style> tag and uses gerrit_body.
[00:31:45] <Joan>	 It doesn't seem too advanced.
[00:31:45] <domas>	 reedy: ah, ok :)
[00:31:46] <TimStarling>	 the release branches are in git
[00:31:52] <Guest92901>	 it says it is depricated, what took its place, does it still work?
[00:32:00] <Joan>	 Guest92901: What are you trying to do and why?
[00:32:20] <gColossus>	 were there a lot of changes made in the search function between 1.16 and 1.18.2?
[00:32:25] <Joan>	 If you're messing around with $wgInputEncoding, it doesn't sound like anything good.
[00:32:57] <Joan>	 gColossus: http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/includes/specials/SpecialSearch.php?view=log
[00:33:00] <domas>	 I like that 'git push' actually pushes all the branches
[00:33:05] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) LQT comments are not displayed after editing them - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35547  (10mybugs.mail)
[00:33:06] <domas>	 best feature ever
[00:33:11] <Coren>	 Joan: I suppose it's just a philosophical difference.  I believe freedom applies just as much to a site operator as it does to its users.  :-)  If someone wants to write Extension:RapeUsers, more power to them.  I won't install it, nor will I work on it, but I don't believe I should try to decide whether they can or not either.
[00:33:13] <^demon>	 TimStarling: If you hit other bugs in gerrit that you'd like some movement on, take a look at https://labsconsole.wikimedia.org/wiki/Gerrit_bugs_that_matter. Anything on that page is at least on my radar to try and push for fixing.
[00:33:17] <domas>	 be careful about naming your branches, he he he
[00:33:18] <TimStarling>	 there's no $wgInputEncoding
[00:33:19] <^demon>	 domas: That's changing :)
[00:33:30] <Coren>	 (Arguably, I'd even agree with the mw team if it refused to host it)
[00:33:59] <Joan>	 There was.
[00:34:11] <Guest92901>	 i want to make sure my wiki is using UFT-8 it is the best
[00:34:30] <Joan>	 Guest92901: MediaWiki uses UTF-8 by default.
[00:34:42] <TimStarling>	 Joan: no, MediaWiki uses UTF-8, there's no options
[00:35:00] <^demon>	 domas: https://lwn.net/Articles/487131/
[00:35:16] <TimStarling>	 it's not a default if you can't change it
[00:35:28] <Joan>	 Any more? The setting did once exist.
[00:35:39] <Joan>	 Maybe he's running an older version of MediaWiki.
[00:35:42] <TimStarling>	 it existed in 1.4
[00:35:53] <^demon>	 It stuck around until just a couple of releases ago, I thought?
[00:36:09] <TimStarling>	 maybe it was kept for backwards compatibility for a while, set to UTF-8 but not used by anything except pre-1.5 extensions
[00:36:12] <Joan>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/87589
[00:36:24] <^demon>	 Ah, just dug that up.
[00:37:05] <TimStarling>	 there's still $wgEditEncoding, for the esperanto feature
[00:37:13] <Dantman>	 lol
[00:37:22] <Reedy>	 if ( 0 == strcmp( 'UTF-8', 'UTF-8' ) ) {
[00:37:30] <Reedy>	 Maybe I should've removed that
[00:37:50] * AaronSchulz  eyes $wgUploadMaintenance

[00:38:09] <TimStarling>	 maybe we should replace that esperanto feature by something more modern
[00:38:14] <TimStarling>	 Narayam or something
[00:38:55] <^demon>	 esperanto feature?
[00:39:24] <Joan>	 The \xjfkj thing in the edit window, I think?
[00:39:34] <Joan>	 There's some ancient Esperanto magic.
[00:39:41] <codurr>	 03bsitu * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/114546> 10/trunk/extensions/PageTriage/api/ApiPageTriageList.php: Add 1st verion of metadata filtering to pagetriage
[00:39:44] <TimStarling>	 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esperanto_orthography#X-system
[00:39:59] <Reedy>	 AaronSchulz: kill! kill!
[00:40:13] <TimStarling>	 you type your text using the x-system and it converts it to UTF-8 on save
[00:40:13] <AaronSchulz>	 you do it!
[00:40:50] <^demon>	 TimStarling: That's an eo-only exception in PST? Yuck.
[00:40:57] <TimStarling>	 I think eo.wp still uses it, I'm not sure how it avoids being broken since 99% of our developers are unaware of it
[00:41:16] <TimStarling>	 it's in EditPage I think
[00:41:56] <TimStarling>	 not a hard-coded eo exception, brion had more architectural awareness than that even in 2002
[00:42:06] <Joan>	 Isn't that true for most languages?
[00:42:06] <TimStarling>	 it's implemented with Language::iconv()
[00:42:18] <Joan>	 Not a lot of MediaWiki developers who speak Old Scottish or whatever.
[00:42:24] <TimStarling>	 overridden for LanguageEo
[00:42:26] <^demon>	 Still, yuck.
[00:42:55] <^demon>	 Joan: And our en-ca community is huge as well...I'm glad we finally got around to adding that one.
[00:43:10] <Coren>	 Yeay!  ColoUr, eh?
[00:43:19] <TimStarling>	 it's for that feature, and UTF-8 support generally, that brion got involved with MW development
[00:43:35] <^demon>	 I've heard the story. In Esperanto, even.
[00:44:10] <Dantman>	 ^demon: ;) And you know what it took to just add en-ca!?
[00:44:17] <^demon>	 Granted I didn't understand the esperanto, but I figured it out from hearing the story before and the slides.
[00:44:29] <Dantman>	 ^demon: ;) We still have to fix the fact that we refer to en-US as en
[00:45:34] <TimStarling>	 actually it's in WebRequest::getText()
[00:46:10] <TimStarling>	 WebRequest::getText() calls Language::recodeInput() which calls Language::iconv() which is overridden in LanguageEo to convert x codes
[00:46:43] <TimStarling>	 I used to occasionally I lecture people about the difference between getVal() and getText()
[00:46:58] <TimStarling>	 getVal() being a normal predictable function and getText() being weird
[00:47:10] * Dantman  wonders how many times I've used getText because I wanted a string but not necessarily x

[00:47:17] <AaronSchulz>	 TimStarling: is bug 35047 fixed?
[00:47:59] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) bad performance: reverting file versions takes ages for the browser to "come back" (show the success message) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34717  +comment (10Aaron Schulz)
[00:48:55] <Coren>	 Hm.  Is there a reason bug 5445 has never been resolved?  It doesn't seem so incredibly hard and I can tell from personal experience that would be sooooo useful on the bigger projects.
[00:49:13] <Coren>	 (Remove autoblocks when a user is unblocked)
[00:50:02] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Make thumb.php error or redirect for urls with bogus paths but valid file & thumb names - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34231  (10Aaron Schulz)
[00:50:14] <TimStarling>	 AaronSchulz: the lock wait timeouts have gone away
[00:50:51] <TimStarling>	 but I didn't think lock wait timeouts could explain all of the reports
[00:50:57] <Thehelpfulone>	 hi guys, other than wer.na do you know anyone that knows the Abuse Filter well?
[00:51:05] <Guest92901>	 is it possible to change my wiki's copyright from GNU to another copyright that keeps users from re-using it?
[00:51:21] <Thehelpfulone>	 by well I mean code-wise
[00:51:27] <TimStarling>	 Jameslwoodward says it's fixed
[00:52:01] <Dantman>	 Guest92901: Legally, once you've licensed content using a CC-BY-SA/GFDL/etc... license you can't un-license it.
[00:52:07] <TimStarling>	 I think that's good enough, I'll just close it
[00:52:32] <Guest92901>	 even though i did not and mediawiki did when they gave it to me?
[00:52:46] <codurr>	 03raindrift * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/114547> 10/trunk/extensions/PageTriage/modules/ext.pageTriage.views/ext.pageTriage.articleListItem.css: minor layout changes
[00:52:56] <AaronSchulz>	 TimStarling: I don't recall you putting anything in gerrit
[00:53:01] <Thehelpfulone>	 perhaps you know someone TimStarling?
[00:53:08] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) [Regression] File deletions don't always purge everything - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35047  +comment (10Tim Starling)
[00:53:27] <Dantman>	 Guest92901: We ask what license to use in the installer, and default to no license. So if a wiki has a license on it, it was explicitly opted in to.
[00:53:50] <TimStarling>	 the instructions I heard for committing things for deployment was "commit to subversion 1.19wmf1 and we'll figure out at some indefinite time in the future how to port those commits into git"
[00:53:53] <Guest92901>	 i did not get a choice when i did in simplescripts
[00:53:58] <TimStarling>	 so that's what I did
[00:54:26] <Guest92901>	 since i did not get a choice to opt in/out can i change it legaly?
[00:54:34] <AaronSchulz>	 well as long as it's tagged somehow
[00:55:55] <TimStarling>	 Thehelpfulone: say if I did, what would you ask that person?
[00:56:19] <Guest92901>	 i already had all of the files and did not use an installer (what ever that is), so can i change it since i did not check anything saying i want the GNU/CC-BY-SA...
[00:57:16] <Guest92901>	 ???
[00:58:40] <Thehelpfulone>	 heh, I need someone to codereview a patch that werdna has created TimStarling 
[00:59:01] <Thehelpfulone>	 so I'd ask them if they'd be willing to do it :)
[00:59:18] <TimStarling>	 is it in git?
[00:59:56] <Guest92901>	 so, can i legally change it since I did not pick a lisence but my installer did?
[01:00:09] <Thehelpfulone>	 hmm it looks like it was tagged for gerritmigration a week ago exactly, https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/111217
[01:01:19] <Guest92901>	 so, can i legally changemy wikis lisence since I did not pick a lisence but my installer did
[01:01:29] <Thehelpfulone>	 "All of these revisions are tagged with 'gerritmigration' and will be resubmitted into Gerrit after the Gerrit switchover. See also http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2012-March/059124.html"
[01:01:40] <Thehelpfulone>	 but I can't see if the migration was done
[01:01:41] <TimStarling>	 Guest92901: the issue is that everyone who edited your wiki has agreed to license their contributions under a free license
[01:01:57] <TimStarling>	 and everyone who read your wiki was granted that license
[01:02:01] <^demon>	 All of the 'gerritmigration' revs were resubmitted en masse by Roan
[01:02:12] <^demon>	 Some have been reviewed+merged, some haven't.
[01:02:39] <^demon>	 TimStarling: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#change,3435 is r111217
[01:02:56] <Guest92901>	 i only edited it and robots only visited it
[01:04:01] <TimStarling>	 just change the license then
[01:04:04] <Amgine>	 Guest92901: then there is no problem.
[01:04:28] <Guest92901>	 how do i change the lisence?
[01:05:30] <TimStarling>	 set $wgRightsText, $wgRightsUrl, etc.
[01:06:29] <Thehelpfulone>	 ^demon: that says review in progress, or is that the default setting?
[01:07:59] <Guest92901>	 is ther a list on mediawiki.org of all variables i need to change to change the lisence?
[01:09:02] <TimStarling>	 it looks like a few people did reviews of AbuseFilter in the last release cycle
[01:09:29] <Guest92901>	 is there a list?
[01:10:11] <TimStarling>	 just check your LocalSettings.php
[01:10:31] <Guest92901>	 not there
[01:10:47] <TimStarling>	 what version of MediaWiki are you using?
[01:12:29] <Guest92901>	 1.18
[01:14:30] <Guest92901>	 if all of them are set more than once, still no lisence?
[01:14:33] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Problems with UploadWizard stash moving to the target - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35354  +comment (10Aaron Schulz)
[01:16:02] <TimStarling>	 is the problem the footer text, or the edit page text?
[01:16:09] <TimStarling>	 or both?
[01:17:34] <TimStarling>	 for the edit page text, replacing [[MediaWiki:copyrightwarning]] and [[MediaWiki:copyrightwarning2]] with something less wikipedia-specific should fix it
[01:17:43] <Guest92901>	 ok
[01:18:17] <TimStarling>	 for the footer, editing [[MediaWiki:Copyright]] should do it
[01:28:37] <sumanah>	 Lydia_WMDE: hi, how are you? how is Wikidata going? just wanted to wave.
[01:31:12] <Guest92901>	 i need help with my logo
[01:31:53] <Guest92901>	 i have it set to $wgLogo             = "http://spyinginc.com/wiki/index.php?title=File:Banner_mk_2.jpg";
[01:32:10] <Guest92901>	 and... no logo. how do i fix that?
[01:32:43] <sumanah>	 !logo
[01:32:43] <mw-bot>	 The logo that appears in the top left of each page is from $wgLogo in LocalSettings.php. To change this you change the value of $wgLogo to point to the URL of your own logo. See <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgLogo>. Be sure $wgLogo is set to an absolute path, starting with "/" (or a protocol "http:"/"https:"). Using pretty URLs a relative path will behave oddly. 135x135 pixels
[01:33:26] <Guest92901>	 why will it not work? i have it set right, don't i?
[01:34:05] <sumanah>	 Guest92901: does that file have the right permissions?
[01:34:10] <sumanah>	 Guest92901: try Firebug
[01:34:11] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: saper; "I would prefer we added "config" supporting code together in one commit, but I can see it's in the M..." [mediawiki/core] (master) C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3699
[01:34:17] <Guest92901>	 (website http://spyinginc.com/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page logo http://spyinginc.com/wiki/index.php?title=File:Banner_mk_2.jpg
[01:34:22] <Guest92901>	 firebug?
[01:34:25] <Guest92901>	 permissions?
[01:34:29] <Guest92901>	 !firebug
[01:34:29] <mw-bot>	 Please install http://getfirebug.com/ . It will help you to fix problems with your website. Use the console to see JavaScript bugs. Right click your page and pick "Inspect Element" to track down CSS problems. See also !console and !webinspector
[01:35:41] <Guest92901>	 still, what are permissions? how do i give the picture permissions, $wgfilepermissions;'banner_mk2.jpg'];['be used as logo'] = true'???
[01:39:34] <Guest92901>	 HOW DO I GIVE A FILE PERMISSIONS TO BE A LOGO
[01:39:41] <Guest92901>	 uncaps
[01:39:56] <Guest92901>	 btw, it is http://spyinginc.com/wiki/index.php?title=File:Logo.jpg
[01:42:16] <Guest92901>	 HOW
[01:42:43] <sumanah>	 Guest92901: please don't shout. It's rude.
[01:42:56] <sumanah>	 Guest92901: have you ever administered a web-based application before?
[01:43:03] <Guest92901>	 i had on cps by accIDENT Twice (like here)
[01:43:09] <sumanah>	 Well, please be more careful.
[01:43:22] <TimStarling>	 Guest92901: you have to use the image URL instead of the description page URL
[01:43:36] <Guest92901>	 where do i find the image url?
[01:44:02] <TimStarling>	 did you upload the file?
[01:44:11] <TimStarling>	 I don't see it in your recentchanges
[01:44:34] <Guest92901>	 yes
[01:44:53] <TimStarling>	 ah, I see a logo now
[01:44:54] <Guest92901>	 i got it to work
[01:45:09] <Guest92901>	 btw, i am a botso my recentchanges do not show up
[01:45:12] <TimStarling>	 you probably want to scale it down though, rather than using the full resolution image
[01:45:16] <Guest92901>	 i now have a logo
[01:45:18] <TimStarling>	 that way the page will be faster to load
[01:45:24] <Guest92901>	 how do i do that?
[01:45:30] <Guest92901>	 it already is very slow
[01:45:40] <TimStarling>	 you know how to make thumbnails on wikia etc.?
[01:45:52] <TimStarling>	 try the same syntax on your own wiki, it might work
[01:46:27] <TimStarling>	 if it does, then you can get the thumbnail URL with "copy image location" in firefox
[01:46:52] <Guest92901>	 i did it
[01:47:01] <Guest92901>	 my wiki is still very slow, though
[01:47:14] <TimStarling>	 I see you didn't get AWS free tier like I recommended
[01:47:17] <TimStarling>	 which host did you go with?
[01:47:30] <Guest92901>	 AWS free tier?
[01:47:40] <Guest92901>	 dot5hosting
[01:47:47] <TimStarling>	 yeah, I'm pretty sure I gave you a link to AWS
[01:48:37] <Guest92901>	 what is AWS
[01:48:41] <TimStarling>	 doesn't matter now
[01:48:53] <Guest92901>	 why not?
[01:48:55] <Guest92901>	 what is it?
[01:49:32] <Guest92901>	 night 
[01:49:52] <TimStarling>	 it looks like dot5hosting is pretty slow, but I'm not sure there is much you can do about it
[01:50:17] <Guest92901>	 maybe when i get my server in April i can make it faster
[01:50:18] <Guest92901>	 ''
[01:50:22] <Guest92901>	 ''
[01:50:25] <Guest92901>	 "
[01:50:38] <TimStarling>	 yep, it's much easier to optimise MediaWiki when you have your own server
[01:50:42] <TimStarling>	 or even a VPS
[01:50:49] <Guest92901>	 VPS?
[01:51:02] <Guest92901>	 i found a lot of workarounds
[01:51:06] <TimStarling>	 virtual private server, like from linode or AWS
[01:51:25] <Guest92901>	 ie: i have checkuser and Mediawiki without CLA
[01:51:34] <Guest92901>	 what is AWS
[01:51:50] <TimStarling>	 you can google for all these terms, I'm not going to explain them all to you
[01:52:30] <Guest92901>	 !aws
[01:52:30] <mw-bot>	 I don't know anything about "aws".
[01:52:40] <Guest92901>	 and neither is the bot :)
[01:52:59] <TimStarling>	 yeah but it is the first hit in google
[01:53:04] <TimStarling>	 some information is not available via mw-bot
[01:53:18] <Guest92901>	 like the weather
[01:53:22] <Guest92901>	 !WEATHER
[01:53:22] <mw-bot>	 I don't know anything about "weather".
[01:53:25] <Guest92901>	 exactly
[01:54:29] <Guest92901>	 source for bot?
[02:01:25] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Tell git on gerrit.wikimedia.org not to generate spurious terminal sequences - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35462  +comment (10Marcin Cieślak)
[02:21:14] <Joan>	 TimStarling: I'm looking at using AWS to put all wikitext in memory and search it.
[02:21:54] <Joan>	 They have a high-memory server with 68.4GB.
[02:24:21] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) App should support top bar gradient or fallback on non-WebKit browsers - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/32071  +comment (10Yuvi Panda)
[02:32:43] <Edgard_WikiRio>	 how can i prevent vandalism on mediawiki? a guy just edited 20 articles with badwords.
[02:33:24] <Joan>	 !e AbuseFilter | Edgard_WikiRio 
[02:33:24] <mw-bot>	 Edgard_WikiRio: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:AbuseFilter
[02:33:28] <Joan>	 You could try that.
[02:33:30] <Joan>	 Or $wgSpamRegex.
[02:33:44] <Edgard_WikiRio>	 joan, thanx. ill look into that right now
[02:33:51] <Joan>	 Good luck.
[02:46:39] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) Limit the amount of screen real estate given to Leaflet attribution - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34910  +comment (10Yuvi Panda)
[02:47:43] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) [Regression] Cannot navigate among links in a page using arrow keys anymore - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33618  +comment (10Yuvi Panda)
[02:47:49] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) [Regression] Cannot navigate among links in a page using arrow keys anymore - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33618  +comment (10Yuvi Panda)
[02:52:25] <Coren>	 Hm.  Does it make sense, when deleting a block, to *want* the autoblocks that were created because of it to stay behind?
[02:52:39] <Coren>	 I can't think of a scenario where I'd want that.
[02:58:06] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Unable to scroll horizontally - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35548 normal; Wikimedia Mobile: Generic; (liangent)
[02:58:45] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Unable to scroll horizontally - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35548  +comment (10Liangent)
[03:04:30] <Dantman>	 Ooohhh... fullscreen api is in Firefox stable... and it's working pretty well
[03:07:58] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) When returning from Nearby to article, the search bar moves leaving a one or two pixel gap - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35549 normal; Wikimedia Mobile: Generic; (liangent)
[03:14:15] <Smaug>	 hey all. I am attempting to download an extension form mediawiki.org using the extension distributor, and upon selecting my version, I receive the error "Error from remote subversion client" "Lock wait timeout"
[03:14:21] <Smaug>	 what is the cause of this?
[03:14:43] <p858snake|l>	 ED is playing up
[03:15:47] <Smaug>	 p858snake|l: :) okay. so do I wait it out or perform some solution action?
[03:16:52] <p858snake|l>	 um, Waiting it out should fix it i think (can't remember if there is a cron to fix that or not anymore)
[03:17:57] <n00b4lyfe>	 Is there anybody who can help me with one particular problem?
[03:19:10] <Coren>	 Oh, poo.  master b0rks under postgres.
[03:22:26] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Bad network detection - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35550 normal; Wikimedia Mobile: Generic; (liangent)
[03:22:38] <n00b4lyfe>	 I've just tried to get my own personal localhost wiki.
[03:22:50] <n00b4lyfe>	 And I have Windows.....
[03:22:54] <n00b4lyfe>	 But here's the thing....
[03:23:36] <n00b4lyfe>	 everytime I point to a disk, to login to my admin account....
[03:23:56] <n00b4lyfe>	 then after I run the bat file...
[03:24:17] <n00b4lyfe>	 And it gives me this message "The disk w is busy. Use start.bat"
[03:24:30] <n00b4lyfe>	 what's the problem?
[03:24:57] <Joan>	 This is a support channel for MediaWiki.
[03:25:05] <Joan>	 Does your question have anything to do with MediaWiki?
[03:25:28] <n00b4lyfe>	 Well, yeah, I think so.
[03:28:06] <Dantman>	 Now I want to make something in MW go fullscreen.
[03:38:06] <Dantman>	 :/ We're using a background: ; instead of background-image: ; set icons.
[03:42:04] <Coren>	 Hm.  I need git help.
[03:42:32] <Coren>	 So, I created a branch off master, made changes, a number of commits with comments...  all before I had done the git-review -s
[03:42:43] <Coren>	 So now, only one of my commits has a Change-ID
[03:43:21] <Coren>	 How to I unhose myself, now?  :-)
[03:45:34] <qgil_>	 hi there, my Mediawiki 1.18.1 is being vandalized (by bots?) as we speak - I have checked the Vandalism page at the MW Manual but I'd welcome some advice here
[03:45:37] <qgil_>	 http://espiral.org/wiki/Especial:CambiosRecientes
[03:45:44] <qgil_>	 ther are two types of "attacs"
[03:46:36] <qgil_>	 one that has been going for some time is the creation of users like http://espiral.org/wiki/Usuario:RobbinEady422 - always a name + 3 digits
[03:46:47] <qgil_>	 then they create some pages with spam links
[03:46:56] <qgil_>	 easy to deal with manually
[03:47:36] <qgil_>	 but since yesterday thre is a second attack from numerical IPs, many, and thy just seem to create pages and modify existing pages with blurb senseless text
[03:47:43] <Joan>	 !e AbuseFilter
[03:47:43] <mw-bot>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:AbuseFilter
[03:47:44] <Joan>	 !spam
[03:47:44] <mw-bot>	 For information about combating and handling spam in MediaWiki, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Combating_spam> and <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Anti-spam_features>.
[03:47:49] <Joan>	 !e Titleblacklist
[03:47:50] <mw-bot>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Titleblacklist
[03:47:56] <Joan>	 Check out those four links.
[03:48:07] <qgil_>	 yes, I have seen them
[03:48:13] <Joan>	 Then you're all set.
[03:48:20] <G_SabinoMullane>	 How does one reply to a gerrit comment?
[03:48:21] <qgil_>	 basically, I don't want to force captchas
[03:48:25] <Joan>	 Oh.
[03:48:28] <Joan>	 !e ConfirmEdit
[03:48:28] <mw-bot>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ConfirmEdit
[03:48:36] <qgil_>	 mmm d'acord Joan, I'll look deeper
[03:48:56] <qgil_>	 thanks
[03:49:32] <Joan>	 No problem.
[03:50:19] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Greg Sabino Mullane; "Demon: Okay, but how am I to know which new bits of tables.sql are ready and which are not? It's har..." [mediawiki/core] (master) C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3699
[03:54:22] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Greg Sabino Mullane; "> also take care of PostgresUpdater.php?" [mediawiki/core] (master) C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3699
[03:58:23] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: coren; "Remove autoblocks when original block goes (Bug #5445) NOTE: Schema changes for mysql and postgres are there but I lack the knowledge for the others" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3841
[03:59:16] <Coren>	 Yeay!  First git review
[04:03:21] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Remove autoblocks when a user is unblocked - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/5445  +comment (10Marc A. Pelletier)
[04:32:11] <Smaug>	 does mediawiki require that the server have write write access to anything?
[04:32:36] <Joan>	 Um.
[04:32:46] <Joan>	 Yes.
[04:33:10] <Joan>	 It wouldn't be much of a wiki without write access.
[04:33:22] <Joan>	 For the database, file uploads, cache, temp files, etc.
[04:34:26] <Smaug>	 ok
[04:34:40] <Smaug>	 i mean it doesn't write now and its ok
[04:34:44] <Smaug>	 obv it writes to the database
[04:34:46] <Smaug>	 but not files
[04:35:03] <Smaug>	 isn't it a security issue though?
[04:35:15] <Joan>	 It?
[04:35:18] <wikibugs>	 14(WFM) 2000px Link on image description page lead to 0 byte thumbnail. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35521  summary; +comment (10Bawolff)
[04:35:28] <Smaug>	 giving apache write permission on a folder
[04:35:31] <Smaug>	 *directory
[04:36:08] <Joan>	 What's the security issue you imagine?
[04:36:46] <Smaug>	 from #ubuntu-server: " if the httpd has write access to any directories which contain scripts or could contain scripts, invariably when the website code vulnerabilities are found they will use it to upload nasty things"
[04:37:39] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Santhosh; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/TranslationNotifications] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3822
[04:38:38] <Smaug>	 Joan: is this an issue or do you think not?
[04:39:47] <Dantman>	 We only need write permissions for the images or cache folders if you use the feature.
[04:40:31] <Dantman>	 MediaWiki itself is unlikely to have a hole in it that allows uploading files to arbatrary places on the system.
[04:41:04] <Dantman>	 But if you use other web software on your system that might.
[04:41:09] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Santhosh; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master); V: 0 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3798
[04:41:51] <Dantman>	 In which case apache not having write permission for actual .php files is somewhat useful to prevent the source code at least from being modified.
[04:42:27] <Dantman>	 ..although, unless you restrict read permissions it'll probably find whatever rights it needs to be able to modify your wiki's database.
[04:43:48] <Dantman>	 If you want to be really secure you'll disable .php and other scripting languages in any folder like images/ which need to be writable by the webserver.
[04:44:40] <Joan>	 I think if you want to be really secure, you'll just disconnect from the Internet.
[04:45:02] <Smaug>	 hmm.  the reason I ask is I am being told that I need to give my server write permissions on www-data in order for the ConfirmEdit extension to work (performing that permissions change did not solve the errors I am experiencing btw)
[04:45:10] <Smaug>	 Joan: ha. mmhmm
[04:45:31] <Smaug>	 Dantman: that is informative. any thoughts on my situation?
[04:47:59] <Dantman>	 lol https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:KittenAuth
[04:49:25] <Dantman>	 Smaug: I'm not sure what part of ConfirmEdit would require write.
[04:49:51] <Smaug>	 Dantman: I need a solution that works on 1.13.   |  Dantman: I was told the math section needed to write tot he math directory
[04:50:03] <Dantman>	 Ohhh... math
[04:50:26] <Dantman>	 Yeah, if it using tex to generate mathmatical formula images it'll need write.
[04:50:37] <Smaug>	 i am getting an error, part of it is Warning: Parameter 1 to ConfirmEditHooks::confirmEditMerged() expected to be a reference, value given in /path/wiki/includes/Hooks.php on line 117
[04:50:39] <Dantman>	 ...though I'd just use a different type of captcha.
[04:51:05] <Smaug>	 no kind is working.....ahhh....if I do the simple captcha that is vulnerable to bots, right?
[04:51:33] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) Narayam not working in contenteditable div - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34220  (10Santhosh Thottingal)
[04:51:34] <Dantman>	 I just use reCAPTCHA. But others swear by Questy.
[04:52:00] <Dantman>	 ;) That kitten auth also sounds like an amusing way to do captcha.
[04:52:49] <Dantman>	 ...upgrade and any old bug in the code like that error disappears.
[04:52:55] <santhosh>	 Dantman: but if the  image name  is 'kitten.png', machines get a clue :)
[04:53:15] <Dantman>	 Well sure, I'd examine the code to see how it works.
[04:53:29] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Cannot scroll low enough to see all content - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35551 normal; Wiktionary App: Wiktionary; (dale.lemieux)
[04:53:35] <Dantman>	 Smaug: Besides that I'm not going to help fix already fixed bugs in an insecure version of MediaWiki.
[04:54:25] <Dantman>	 santhosh: The real problem is image comparison.
[04:55:58] <Dantman>	 Even if you resize to terminate exact binary comparison. And you add distortion. If the attacker has a full collection of all the images you use there is still a possibility of calculating a rough comparison between the images.
[04:56:03] <Dantman>	 Of course...
[04:56:25] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Top section isn't automatically expanded - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35552 normal; Wiktionary App: Wiktionary; (dale.lemieux)
[04:56:38] <Dantman>	 If you use a sufficiently large database of images it may work out simply by forcing the task to take so long to do all the image comparisons that the attacker doesn't have time.
[04:58:12] <Dantman>	 At that point the attacker is forced to use something like openCV to try and identify what is in an image.
[04:58:25] <Dantman>	 Or use mechanical turk.
[04:58:50] <Dantman>	 ...then again, that's practically what attackers are already doing for normal captchas.
[05:10:55] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Easy date selection for Special:Newimages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/11836  +comment (10akshay chugh)
[05:15:15] <Smaug>	 Dantman: okay, thanks for your help anyway.  I plan on upgrading, but it will take a while to get some custom extensions working with the new version, and in the meantime i am being assaulted by spam....just want a quick fix to tie me over until i upgrade
[05:17:06] <Joan>	 reCAPTCHA is evil.
[05:17:52] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Creation of Wikimedia mailing list for Nepali Wikipedia [wikimedia-ne] - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35553 major; Wikimedia: Mailing lists; (lotusnagarkot)
[05:45:17] <nischayn22>	 aharoni: If you have time, my patch to https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=30796 is still awaiting review
[05:47:16] <codurr>	 03tstarling * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/114548> 10/trunk/tools/gerrit-differ/ (. gerrit-differ.php): Gerrit changeset differ
[06:02:23] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Santhosh; "Fix Bug 30681 - Wrong escaping for inexistent messages." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3842
[06:07:20] <Dantman>	 hmmm... pyfuse + ehcache
[06:10:01] <TimStarling>	 use mysql
[06:10:05] <TimStarling>	 mysql > ehcache
[06:12:20] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: IAlex; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/core] (master) C: 1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3842
[06:13:20] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Non-included tables break parser - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35476  (10public)
[06:13:26] <nischayn22>	 Dantman: I think captcha should use questions rather than images (sometimes really hard for humans to identify), questions cannot be answered by bots and are easy for us, I did an extension https://github.com/nischayn22/MCQCaptcha . Right now this is not in a good state but I believe it has potential
[06:13:44] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Non-included tables break parser - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35476  (10public)
[06:14:21] <Dantman>	 nischayn22: Even a question based captcha can be attacked by mechanical turk... all you need to do is make the bot understand where the question is.
[06:15:07] <Dantman>	 The only reason questy captcha works now is that so few people use it that bot writers don't find enough value in writing for it.
[06:16:12] <Dantman>	 The moment questy becomes used by piles of wiki or anyone really large, it'll become worthless.
[06:16:46] <Dantman>	 The biggest fault about questy is that it's so much harder than all the others to come up with a number of questions.
[06:17:07] <Dantman>	 Most people won't even be able to come up with 50... much less thousands, like other captchas.
[06:17:47] <Dantman>	 And that means that it's trivial for a bot to save all the answers once mechanical turk has answered them... and then always have the answer on hand when they want to spam a wiki.
[06:19:13] <nischayn22>	 Dantman: can we not save the questions in a database such that they are not accesible?
[06:19:22] <Dantman>	 *facepalm*
[06:19:33] <Dantman>	 I'm not talking about an attack like that.
[06:19:52] <Dantman>	 Every form of captcha... and I mean EVERY... form is vulnerable to mechanical turk.
[06:20:10] <Dantman>	 Where you either pay human beings mere pennies to give you the answer.
[06:20:41] <Dantman>	 Or setup a porn site, use another site's captcha as your captcha, and then use that to trick human beings into answering the captcha on behalf of your bot.
[06:20:56] <Dantman>	 The problem with questy here, is that there are so few questions.
[06:21:06] <liangent>	 is there an interwiki from wikis to gerrit?
[06:21:15] <nischayn22>	 Dantman: hmm, But images are really annoying sometimes, specially of recaptcha
[06:21:27] <Dantman>	 Once you've used mechanical turk to slowly get the answers to the questions. You don't even have to use mechanical turk anymore.
[06:22:18] <nischayn22>	 Dantman:so the solution can be by making too many questions and constantly changing them
[06:22:19] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) multiple templates and mw templates - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35554  +comment (10John McClure)
[06:22:31] <TimStarling>	 hand up if you know C
[06:22:39] <Dantman>	 Except there is a finite limit of sane questions you can create.
[06:22:53] <Dantman>	 And spammers can break them faster than you can create them.
[06:23:49] <Dantman>	 Even if you could come up with a million questions, it would still be a number capable of being stored by a bot... it would only take a period of time to break them all one by one
[06:24:45] <Dantman>	 And all the while, it still doesn't get past the fact that the mechanical turk on it's own means that even while the bots are figuring out your captcha answers they are spamming your wiki.
[06:25:02] <TimStarling>	 RoanKattouw: you know C don't you?
[06:25:40] <RoanKattouw>	 I do
[06:25:56] <RoanKattouw>	 Is this about Diederik's code?
[06:25:59] <TimStarling>	 I just need someone to share my pain: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#change,3222
[06:26:21] <TimStarling>	 just looking for someone who can look at that last comment and say "yeah, Tim, it really sucks to be you"
[06:26:29] <RoanKattouw>	 I saw the &delimiter thing earlier, eww
[06:26:37] <RoanKattouw>	 Dude, I only have some sympathy for you
[06:26:48] <RoanKattouw>	 I spent 3 hours locked in a room with Diederik debugging segfaults in his code
[06:27:54] <wikibugs>	 04(REOPENED) Create Slovenian Wikiversity - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35290  +comment (10Niklas Laxström)
[06:28:08] <RoanKattouw>	 I wonder if Dave knows C
[06:28:14] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Creation of Wikimedia mailing list for Nepali Wikipedia [wikimedia-ne] - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35553  major->15enhancement (10Dan Collins)
[06:28:15] <RoanKattouw>	 (he's one of Diederik's minions)
[06:29:58] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Creation of Wikimedia mailing list for Nepali Wikipedia [wikimedia-ne] - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35553  +comment (10Dan Collins)
[06:30:10] <RoanKattouw>	 TimStarling: BTW, about the rebase-screws-up-diffs thing, I've been thinking if we couldn't hack git-review to forego the automatic rebase if the change already exists
[06:30:34] <RoanKattouw>	 We could also tell everyone to amend with git rebase -R , but invariably people will forget
[06:30:41] <RoanKattouw>	 I guess I'll file a bug with them
[06:30:50] <TimStarling>	 that would improve things I think
[06:31:12] <RoanKattouw>	 Cause really that's the source of all this: amendments that change the commit and rebase it at the same time
[06:31:47] <RoanKattouw>	 There's a chance you'll get a conflict at the end and you'll have to rebase it, but then at least the rebase is the only difference between patchset N and N+1
[06:31:47] <TimStarling>	 I was looking at some change pages on CyanogenMod, to see how they deal with the problem
[06:31:58] <TimStarling>	 since they have a large public gerrit instance that's relatively mature
[06:32:28] <TimStarling>	 looking at the parents, it seems like rebase is not automatic, although it's a fairly common manual operation
[06:32:42] <RoanKattouw>	 It's possible they don't use git-review, that's an OpenStack-developed tool
[06:32:43] <TimStarling>	 partly because if you don't rebase, you usually get a conflict when you try to submit
[06:32:57] <TimStarling>	 they probably don't
[06:33:27] <TimStarling>	 did you see my latest wikitech-l post?
[06:34:28] <RoanKattouw>	 The .php tool?
[06:34:32] <TimStarling>	 yes
[06:34:35] <RoanKattouw>	 Yeah that looks cool, I haven't tried to use it yet
[06:34:51] <RoanKattouw>	 Looks like there is a vaguely worded open bug about this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/git-review/+bug/920547
[06:34:58] <TimStarling>	 it only works with core.git at the moment
[06:35:04] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Liangent; "Add message for function "rescape"" [mediawiki/extensions/AbuseFilter] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3843
[06:36:46] <RoanKattouw>	 It sounds like something that could be written in bash/python and executed locally though
[06:37:53] <TimStarling>	 yes, but ideally it should be part of the gerrit web UI
[06:39:38] <RoanKattouw>	 Yes
[06:39:41] <RoanKattouw>	 It should just be in Gerrit
[06:43:51] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Amire80; "Supposed to fix bug 31817." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3844
[06:44:06] <TimStarling>	 here's a nice example change: http://review.cyanogenmod.com/#change,13317
[06:44:50] <TimStarling>	 patch sets 1-5 have one parent, then he left it for 6 days, rebased before he started working again
[06:45:11] <TimStarling>	 then did one more patch set, rebased again, did another two
[06:45:36] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) The <bdi> tag is sanitized - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31817  +comment (10Amir E. Aharoni)
[06:46:08] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) The <bdi> tag is sanitized - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31817   +need-review +patch (10Amir E. Aharoni)
[06:47:33] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Nikerabbit; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3842
[06:47:36] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Nikerabbit; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3842
[06:48:17] <TimStarling>	 they have their own push script
[06:49:19] <TimStarling>	 not their own, it's from android
[06:52:05] <RoanKattouw>	 Hmm
[06:52:36] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Daniel Friesen; "bdi needs to be added to the attribute whitelist. It supports all the global attributes so the commo..." [mediawiki/core] (master) C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3844
[06:52:44] <TimStarling>	 bye
[06:52:49] <RoanKattouw>	 I was thinking what if you detect the rebase and do a double commit, but that's probably tricky-ish to implement
[06:52:55] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Santhosh; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/core] (master) C: 1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3844
[06:54:44] <RoanKattouw>	 *double submit
[06:56:16] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Creation of Wikimedia mailing list for Nepali Wikipedia [wikimedia-ne] - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35553  +comment (10Shiju Alex)
[06:59:46] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Creation of Wikimedia mailing list for Nepali Wikipedia [wikimedia-ne] - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35553  +comment (10Shiju Alex)
[07:07:11] <Dantman>	 hmmm... I have mixed feelings now... I don't know if I like the fact that I've gotten used to a smaller screen...
[07:09:10] <chughakshay16>	 could someone get me the link for the trunk ? git one... not the svn one
[07:13:09] <Dantman>	 chughakshay16: ;) The url for trunk is the same as every other branch
[07:13:36] <Dantman>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Git
[07:14:05] <chughakshay16>	 Dantman : so the code present in svn is similar to the one in git :)
[07:14:16] <Dantman>	 similar?
[07:14:25] <chughakshay16>	 same!!
[07:14:38] <Dantman>	 same?
[07:15:22] <chughakshay16>	 I thought may be mediawiki is moving all its code base to git.. so may be they dont mantain code in svn anymore... (confused !!)
[07:16:14] <chughakshay16>	 I already have the link for the svn one.. so that would get me the same copy as the one in git .. right ?
[07:16:47] <Dantman>	 ** Well... if you're talking about in the sense that we converted the entire phase3 portion of the repo into a git repo with full history, and then continued in git... it has the same original history
[07:16:54] <Dantman>	 But on your latter question, no.
[07:17:15] <Dantman>	 We converted phase3's svn to a git repo and then stopped using svn and continued in git
[07:17:27] <Dantman>	 All phase3 code in svn is stale and will never be updated.
[07:17:38] <Dantman>	 It's read-only now.
[07:17:44] <chughakshay16>	 okay so in that case i must get phase3 from the git..
[07:17:51] <Dantman>	 Yup...
[07:17:57] <Dantman>	 ;) Though we call it mediawiki/core.git now
[07:18:06] <Dantman>	 Buh bye phase3
[07:18:14] <chughakshay16>	 okay , thanks :|
[07:22:35] <shakthi>	 what in commandLine.inc in maintenance scripts ?
[07:23:08] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Once a Wiki is created, it needs to be included in the statistics - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35555 normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (gmeijssen)
[07:27:30] <RoanKattouw>	 shakthi: commandLine.inc is deprecated
[07:29:03] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Eloquence; "Fix tipsy tooltips (previously completely broken)." [mediawiki/extensions/UploadWizard] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3845
[07:30:27] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Catrope; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3817
[07:30:30] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Catrope; [mediawiki/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3817
[07:31:22] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Catrope; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3818
[07:31:24] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Catrope; [mediawiki/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3818
[07:32:18] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Catrope; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3819
[07:32:20] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Catrope; [mediawiki/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3819
[07:41:03] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Catrope; "Squash-merge changes 3420, 3421 and 3422" [mediawiki/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3846
[07:42:22] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Catrope; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3846
[07:42:24] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Catrope; [mediawiki/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3846
[07:47:24] <codurr>	 03netbrain * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/114549> 10/trunk/extensions/Maps/ (3 files in 2 dirs): added i18n for openlayers
[07:47:26] <codurr>	 03netbrain * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/114550> 10/trunk/extensions/Maps/ (3 files in 2 dirs): added i18n to google service and missing i18n for validation
[07:47:46] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Eloquence; "Fix tipsy tooltips (previously completely broken)." [mediawiki/extensions/UploadWizard] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3845
[07:51:43] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) A button on the page to toggle hidden categories - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/21119  +comment (10akshay chugh)
[07:53:55] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) A button on the page to toggle hidden categories - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/21119   +need-review +patch (10akshay chugh)
[08:00:17] <DanishUser2201>	 Iwe lost the pw to our wiki, Is there a way to get control back ? 
[08:00:44] <Nikerabbit>	 what password? admin user?
[08:01:31] <DanishUser2201>	 Nikerabbit: yes
[08:01:41] <DanishUser2201>	 Iwe looked here: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Resetting_passwords But im not sure what command to use
[08:02:02] <DanishUser2201>	 The wiki only have one user. i wanna login and close the wiki so the spammers cant write in it
[08:02:35] <Nikerabbit>	 DanishUser2201: do you have shell access to the server?
[08:03:04] <DanishUser2201>	 yes but eaier access to phpmyadmin
[08:03:08] <Nikerabbit>	 and have you tried to request new temporary password via email?
[08:03:10] <DanishUser2201>	 easier i mean
[08:04:12] <Nikerabbit>	 well phpmyadmin might be easier to connect, but it will be harder to generate new password, from shell you can run php maintenance/changePassword.php --user username
[08:04:52] <DanishUser2201>	 ahh okay. Let me try that
[08:06:06] <DanishUser2201>	 But i have to be in /wiki/ right
[08:06:12] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Hashar; "(bug 5445) remove autoblocks when user is unblocked" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3841
[08:06:12] <Dantman>	 Or you could modify the email with the databse then request a password reset.
[08:07:04] <DanishUser2201>	 Dantman: the easiest thing would just be to change the pw field in phpmyadmin, but it says its md5 but no decrypter likes it 
[08:07:05] <Nikerabbit>	 that too
[08:07:21] <Nikerabbit>	 DanishUser2201: you can't decrypt md5
[08:07:45] <Nikerabbit>	 and in addition it is hashed, so you would need to replicate the logic how those are created
[08:07:54] <DanishUser2201>	 Nikerabbit: Sure google "md5+decrypt" plenty of sites, its just a encoding, not a encryption
[08:08:06] <DanishUser2201>	 Not sure about the hash though
[08:08:11] <Nikerabbit>	 no it's a hash
[08:08:12] <Dantman>	 DanishUser2201: It's not an encoding it's a one-way hash
[08:08:54] <Dantman>	 ** ;) and I have ideas about making that password field even more complex to generate
[08:09:12] <Nikerabbit>	 you can "decrypt" it if you know what the original password is... but what's the point then anymore? :D
[08:09:27] <DanishUser2201>	 nikerabbit: I tried that command via shell. Got this "Param password requiered"
[08:09:55] <DanishUser2201>	 Nikerabbit: putting it that way makes sense haha
[08:10:08] <Nikerabbit>	 hmm it doesn't ask for input?
[08:10:15] <DanishUser2201>	 nope
[08:10:18] <Nikerabbit>	 well you can add --password=simplepassword and change it later
[08:10:21] <Dantman>	 Viva la: :PBKHM:ZXqLY9r+Q8I=:sha256:10000:32:1ize5Xk1vSEwJi2ywFItAaBQBcSg2MEWjdxeCz+AqJA=
[08:10:43] <Nikerabbit>	 Dantman: sha256 with 10000 iterations?
[08:11:21] <Dantman>	 Nikerabbit: PBKDF2-HMAC
[08:11:22] <DanishUser2201>	 nikerabbit: same problem. --password-MYNEWPASS is not valid
[08:11:32] <Dantman>	 = not -
[08:11:53] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jdlrobson; "fix slide up animation for browsers which support position fixed" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3847
[08:12:29] <DanishUser2201>	 Dantman: --password NEWpass worked. but im getting a xcache error
[08:14:06] <DanishUser2201>	 These errors
[08:14:06] <DanishUser2201>	 http://www.gratisimage.dk/image-9A55_4F72C844.jpg
[08:14:33] <Dantman>	 Those are warnings... look at the end
[08:15:04] <DanishUser2201>	 Yes i know it says the pass is changed. but i will bet you that i still cant login
[08:15:27] <DanishUser2201>	 and i was right. no acess
[08:16:25] <DanishUser2201>	 Maybe a restart of apache,mysql is needed
[08:16:29] <kevin_brown>	 anybody know why I might be getting error 1290 on the toolserver and how I can fix it?
[08:16:37] * kevin_brown  can't insert anything

[08:21:59] <DanishUser2201>	 YES. im finally inside and logged in. Now for what i really wanted to do. Shut down the wiki so nobody besides my admin user can write. How do i do that best ? 
[08:22:11] <DanishUser2201>	 And thx for the help so far The shell commands was easy
[08:22:28] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) [SRF] Not all selected Articles showing in format=calendar, timeline or eventline - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35318  +comment (10Thorsten Nickel)
[08:22:29] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Hashar; "(bug 5445) remove autoblocks when user is unblocked" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3841
[08:22:36] <Dantman>	 !useraccess
[08:22:37] <mw-bot>	 I don't know anything about "useraccess".
[08:22:42] <Dantman>	 !userrights
[08:22:42] <mw-bot>	 For information on customizing user access, see < http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:User_rights >. For common examples of restricting access using both rights and extensions, see < http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Preventing_access >.
[08:22:43] <kevin_brown>	 DanishUser2201: it's going to be a setting in localsettings.php
[08:22:58] <Dantman>	 Disable createaccount for *
[08:23:02] <DanishUser2201>	 lol so i didnt even have to login to do tha
[08:23:27] <DanishUser2201>	 Dantman: yes but our spammers write anyway, they have no account but can still write. i wanna stop them
[08:24:03] <Dantman>	 Oh, then disable edit for * too
[08:24:20] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Hashar; "I have enhanced the commit message with patch set 2 and 3. Also added the SQLite updating parts." [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3841
[08:24:23] <Dantman>	 There might be aclick you can start with on of those pages
[08:24:54] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Hashar; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3841
[08:25:47] <DanishUser2201>	 Dantman: thx but my localsettings.php has none of those lines to edit sadly
[08:26:02] <Dantman>	 You don't edit, you add
[08:28:17] <DanishUser2201>	 Dantman: that i can do. Any change you can hit me with the precise lines to add ? Not sure how i should format them
[08:30:03] <Dantman>	 DanishUser2201: http://dpaste.org/SoBgW/
[08:31:06] <DanishUser2201>	 Dantman: Your a gem. thx so much, iwe added to the last line of the file. lets see if it works
[08:33:25] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Hashar; "Can you please add a parser test to check this assumption?" [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3844
[08:35:04] <aurimai>	 Hey! When user has an article in his watchlist, is the respective discussion page also going to be watched?
[08:35:17] <Dantman>	 Yes
[08:35:58] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Hashar; "Could you also please update the first line of the commit message to show as :" [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3844
[08:38:49] <DanishUser2201>	 Thx for the help everybody. I hope that this puts a end to the spammers
[08:39:53] <aharoni>	 hashar: can you please add best practices for commit messages at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Git/Workflow ?
[08:40:46] <hashar>	 aharoni: sure!  Can you help me find out the best place to add my recommendation too ?
[08:40:46] <l0wkey>	 hello
[08:40:54] <hashar>	 aharoni: that article is sooo long :-)
[08:41:01] <l0wkey>	 I have some question upgrading from 1.16.x mediawiki to 1.18.2
[08:41:17] <aharoni>	 hashar: i suppose that it would be https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Git/Workflow#Make_and_commit_your_change .
[08:41:44] <l0wkey>	 I'm getting this error when running update.php
[08:41:52] <hashar>	 aharoni: thanks. Adding my prose there
[08:42:00] <l0wkey>	 PHP Fatal error:  Call to a member function uncompress() on a non-object in /var/www/includes/HistoryBlob.php on line 255
[08:42:24] <l0wkey>	 what could be the problem?
[08:42:39] * hashar  checkouts 1.18.2

[08:43:28] <hashar>	 and I have obviously no idea what can happen there l0wkey sorry :/
[08:43:38] <hashar>	 I am totally unfamiliar with that part of the code
[08:43:48] <l0wkey>	 huh
[08:43:55] <aharoni>	 hashar: while you're at it, can you write best practices for branch names, too?
[08:44:13] <l0wkey>	 hashar, what else can I do?
[08:44:46] <hashar>	 it looks like it tries to fetch a text from the `text` table but can not probably read it
[08:45:01] <hashar>	 aharoni: branch names is being discussed on wikitech-l IIRC
[08:45:17] <hashar>	 aharoni: there is no formal naming convention yet
[08:45:55] <Dantman>	 l0wkey: Sounds like something is corrupt and making it so that php can't properly unserialize the contents of the text table
[08:46:24] <l0wkey>	 Dantman, ok, understand this ..
[08:46:41] <l0wkey>	 PHP Notice:  unserialize(): Error at offset 95 of 101 bytes in /var/www/includes/Revision.php on line 784
[08:46:41] <l0wkey>	 Text of revision 2 unavailable!
[08:46:47] <hashar>	 ohhh
[08:46:59] <l0wkey>	 PHP Notice:  unserialize(): Error at offset 95 of 101 bytes in /var/www/includes/HistoryBlob.php on line 245
[08:47:13] <Dantman>	 Like I said...
[08:47:31] <l0wkey>	 Dantman, yes, but what can be done? to fix this?
[08:47:47] <l0wkey>	 Dantman, what should I be looking at?
[08:47:56] <Dantman>	 The raw data it gets from the db is incorrect, it tries to unserialize, fails, and then tries to run uncompress on null or false
[08:48:03] <hashar>	 looks like it tries to unserialize some gzipped text
[08:48:21] <RoanKattouw>	 hashar: I don't think so, it fails 95 bytes in
[08:48:22] <hashar>	 could it be a default setting that got changed ?
[08:48:33] <hashar>	 right
[08:48:43] <hashar>	 we would want to have a dump of that text probably
[08:48:48] <Dantman>	 mhmm
[08:48:54] <l0wkey>	 what default seeting?
[08:49:16] <hashar>	 l0wkey: I was just making an assumption. Roan discarded it :-D
[08:49:22] <Dantman>	 If this were wordpress my guess would have been a charset issue causing a few bytes to be different corrupting php's unserialize
[08:49:51] <hashar>	 l0wkey: can you post the full error message sequence to http://dpaste.org/ please ?
[08:50:31] <hashar>	 we would need to have a look at the content of the string too. To do so edit  includes/Revision.php at line 784 you got :  $obj = unserialize( $text );
[08:50:50] <hashar>	 just above add :   var_dump(  $text );
[08:50:56] <hashar>	 that would give us more details about that $text
[08:51:51] <hashar>	 (thought we might want to addcslashes() $text :-D 
[08:52:49] <l0wkey>	 so what should I change? in line 784 - > $obj = unserialize( $text ); ?
[08:53:05] <l0wkey>	 ok add var_dup
[08:53:07] <l0wkey>	 dump even
[08:53:09] <l0wkey>	 one moment
[08:54:29] <l0wkey>	 hashar, http://dpaste.org/Z11MZ/
[08:55:44] <aurimai>	 Is it possible somehow to send a message to a whole user group, for example administrators, other than to write on each user's discussion page one by one?
[08:57:14] <p858snake|l>	 setup a bot to do
[08:57:37] <p858snake|l>	 or just use a sitenotice and some js magic so it only appears to certain user groups
[08:58:24] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) MathJax: Several commands that work in texvc are not recognized - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35186  +comment (10Michael M.)
[08:59:59] <l0wkey>	 hashar, any ideas?
[09:00:31] <hashar>	 so now we have the text that PHP unserialize() tries to handle
[09:01:33] <Dantman>	 Strange results... it unserializes for me
[09:02:31] <l0wkey>	 what else could I look at?
[09:02:49] <hashar>	 I did not try the first one since  s:1002:  is lacking the 1002 bytes of the string
[09:02:55] <hashar>	 but the second one should unserialize properly
[09:03:46] <codurr>	 New code comment: Nikerabbit; Please use tabs for indentation and add message documentation for new messages. Thanks.; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/114549#c32556>
[09:04:02] <hashar>	 l0wkey: which version of PHP do you have ?
[09:04:22] <l0wkey>	 PHP 5.3.5-1ubuntu7.2~lucid1 with Suhosin-Patch (cli) (built: May 17 2011 18:49:46) 
[09:04:22] <l0wkey>	 Copyright (c) 1997-2009 The PHP Group
[09:04:22] <l0wkey>	 Zend Engine v2.3.0, Copyright (c) 1998-2010 Zend Technologies
[09:04:31] <codurr>	 New code comment: Nikerabbit; Same comments as in previous commit.; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/114550#c32557>
[09:04:57] <hashar>	 ahhh I got it
[09:06:10] <l0wkey>	 the solution?
[09:09:36] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) API spamblocklist error should provide *all* blocked URLs, not just one - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/30332  +comment (10Jarry1250)
[09:09:46] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) MathJax allows more commands than texvc - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35481  +comment (10Michael M.)
[09:10:55] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Grant the abusefilter-log-detail right to patrollers on Commons - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35545  +comment (10Rainer@Rillke.eu)
[09:11:19] <hashar>	 l0wkey: somehow the revision table is corrupted
[09:11:24] <hashar>	 one revision lost its text :/
[09:11:45] <hashar>	 "O:27:"concatenatedgziphistoryblob":4:{s:8:"mVersion";i:0;s:11:"mCompressed";b:1;s:6:"mItems";s:1002:""
[09:12:06] <hashar>	 at the end,   s:1002:  means that it should be followed by a string (s) made of 1002 bytes
[09:12:09] <hashar>	 and there is nothing there
[09:12:13] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Grant the abusefilter-log-detail right to patrollers on Commons - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35545  +comment (10Rainer@Rillke.eu)
[09:14:01] <hashar>	 l0wkey: you could try looking at that revision content with path/to/your/wiki/index.php?oldid=2
[09:14:08] <hashar>	 that should give you an error
[09:14:15] <hashar>	 about text not being found :-(
[09:15:59] <l0wkey>	 huh
[09:16:48] <l0wkey>	 page doesn't open .. 
[09:16:54] <l0wkey>	 PHP Fatal error:  Cannot redeclare wfProfileIn() (previously declared in /var/www/www.e-studij.si/includes/profiler/Profiler.php:14) in /var/www/www.e-studij.si/includes/ProfilerStub.php on line 24
[09:17:08] <Dantman>	 !wfProfileIn
[09:17:08] <mw-bot>	 I don't know anything about "wfprofilein".
[09:17:26] <Dantman>	 Tch... we don't have a quick one for that bug
[09:17:40] <l0wkey>	 damn
[09:17:47] <l0wkey>	 broken on so many levels
[09:17:56] <l0wkey>	 any other ways to debug and fix it?
[09:18:07] <Dantman>	 l0wkey: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki_1.18/FAQ
[09:19:26] <l0wkey>	 better
[09:19:28] <l0wkey>	 A database error has occurred. Did you forget to run maintenance/update.php after upgrading? See: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Upgrading#Run_the_update_script
[09:19:28] <l0wkey>	 Query: DELETE FROM `msg_resource`
[09:19:28] <l0wkey>	 Function: MessageBlobStore::clear
[09:19:28] <l0wkey>	 Error: 1146 Table 'estudij.msg_resource' doesn't exist (localhost)
[09:20:12] <Dantman>	 l0wkey: Extracting a tarball on top of an install is a bad way to upgrade
[09:20:13] <wikibugs>	 14(DUP) Devanagari diacritics appear broken off in search results - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33548  +comment (10Santhosh Thottingal)
[09:20:14] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Search suggestion highlighting does not respect grapheme clusters causing wrong rendering for Indic languages. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33242  +comment (10Santhosh Thottingal)
[09:20:49] <l0wkey>	 Dantman, it was the first time I've followed update process by the book ..
[09:20:50] <l0wkey>	 damn
[09:21:00] <l0wkey>	 Dantman, usually I manually move files around
[09:22:48] <saper>	 hashar: https://github.com/saper/git-review here is my latest and greatest, feel free to test
[09:22:57] <Dantman>	 I wonder if we should set something up where we have an api on mw.org that gives information about what files are in what tarballs and what the md5 of files are
[09:23:01] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Remove support for WikEd and ajaxPreview from ext.math.mathjax.enabler.js - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35478  +comment (10Michael M.)
[09:23:14] <saper>	 hashar: e, sorry - here https://github.com/saper/openstack-git-review/tree/no-gitreview
[09:23:20] <Dantman>	 Then scans through the files and reports when there is a file from a previous version that was removed and still has the same md5 as the old file
[09:23:24] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Remove support for WikEd and ajaxPreview from ext.math.mathjax.enabler.js - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35478   +need-review (10Michael M.)
[09:24:03] <saper>	 hashar: where is the code of a python irc bot?
[09:24:09] <Nikerabbit>	 svn is very slow atm
[09:24:14] <l0wkey>	 hashar, Dantman so what else can I do?
[09:27:53] <saper>	 l0wkey: restore last known good copy and try upgrade again?
[09:28:19] <l0wkey>	 saper, shoud I try with 1.17.x first ?
[09:28:51] <p858snake|l>	 l0wkey: try running the updater again
[09:30:23] <l0wkey>	 p858snake|l, same problem
[09:30:37] <p858snake|l>	 what did the updater say when it finished?
[09:30:44] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) [Message.php] Wrong escaping for inexistent messages (ie. <message-key>) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/30681  +comment (10Santhosh Thottingal)
[09:31:05] <l0wkey>	 p858snake|l, http://dpaste.org/Z11MZ/
[09:33:08] <p858snake|l>	 uh... Is that all of it?
[09:33:16] <l0wkey>	 yup
[09:33:24] <l0wkey>	 last part
[09:37:19] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) [SRF] Not all selected Articles showing in format=calendar, timeline or eventline - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35318  +comment (10Yaron Koren)
[09:37:52] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Nikerabbit; "Added another history file to gitignore" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3848
[09:38:13] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Errors in TeX code should be reported to users using MathJax - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35556 enhancement; MediaWiki extensions: Math (texvc); (listenleser)
[09:39:51] <saper>	 l0wkey: no
[09:42:41] <Kr1ks>	 I am trying to figure apache memory bloat issue with a mediawiki installation, 
[09:43:20] <l0wkey>	 saper, no? what?
[09:43:45] <Kr1ks>	 I see many modules (.so) being loaded with flags '-----' and see same modules again being loaded with different flags (r----, rw---, r-x--), the ones with '-----' flag are each taking 2MB, there are 47 such
[09:44:28] <wikibugs>	 14(INVALID) Create Slovenian Wikiversity - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35290  +comment (10Étienne Beaulé)
[09:44:56] <Kr1ks>	 Can someone help me understand why the modules are loaded that way and how can I reduce the memory bloat?
[09:45:19] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) [Message.php] Wrong escaping for inexistent messages (ie. <message-key>) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/30681  +comment (10Marcin Cieślak)
[09:45:19] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) nonexisting interface messages cause "&lt;" "&gt" to appear on the users browser - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/14531  +comment (10Marcin Cieślak)
[09:46:48] <hashar>	 aharoni: I have amended https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Git/Workflow#Make_and_commit_your_change
[09:46:53] <hashar>	 aharoni: with a screenshot from vim :-]
[09:46:53] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) nonexisting interface messages cause "&lt;" "&gt" to appear on the users browser - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/14531  +comment (10Marcin Cieślak)
[09:48:19] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Hashar; ".gitreview for REL1_19 tag" [test/mediawiki/core] (REL1_19) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3849
[09:48:38] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) [Message.php] Wrong escaping for inexistent messages (ie. <message-key>) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/30681  +comment (10Marcin Cieślak)
[09:49:59] <saper>	 l0wkey: you should be able to go to the lastest
[09:50:05] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Hashar; "(bug 1234) Summary line used as a subject usually rest might be ignored" [test/mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3850
[09:50:06] <codurr>	 03netbrain * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/114551> 10/trunk/extensions/Maps/Maps.i18n.php: fixed i18n as per request.
[09:51:31] <codurr>	 New code comment: Netbrain; It seems to be my IDE which does this... replaces my tabs with spaces...; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/114549#c32558>
[09:51:31] <codurr>	 New code comment: Netbrain; done; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/114550#c32559>
[09:52:16] <codurr>	 New code comment: Netbrain; done; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/114550#c32560>
[09:52:28] <aharoni>	 hashar: thanks.
[09:52:36] <aharoni>	 what exactly do you mean by "culprit"?
[09:52:53] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Catrope; "Add .gitreview file" [mediawiki/extensions/Gadgets] (RL2) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3851
[09:53:39] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Catrope; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/Gadgets] (RL2); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3851
[09:53:42] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Catrope; [mediawiki/extensions/Gadgets] (RL2) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3851
[09:54:52] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Direct wikisource: link in bewiki and be_x_oldwiki to bewikisource - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35557 normal; Wikimedia: Interwiki links; (p.selitskas)
[10:06:03] <hashar>	 l0wkey: sorry, somehow your database got corrupted :/
[10:06:20] <hashar>	 l0wkey: it is missing the text for revision 2 and I do not know how you could fix that
[10:06:33] <hashar>	 saper: which IRC bot were you talking about ? We have several of them
[10:07:03] <hashar>	 l0wkey: one possibility would be to edit the database and manually add the missing text there,  it might need to be gripped though :-(
[10:07:21] <hashar>	 l0wkey: or have a look at your latest database backup
[10:07:56] <hashar>	 l0wkey: you also want to try looking at revision 2 on the wiki with :    index.php?oldid=2  
[10:09:12] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Santhosh; "Add phpunit testcases for Bug 30681" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3852
[10:16:15] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) generateSitemap should not generate maps for disabled namespaces - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35558 normal; MediaWiki: Maintenance scripts; (niklas.laxstrom)
[10:21:40] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Hashar; "gitignore mwsql script history file" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3848
[10:22:38] <saper>	 hashar: the way you posted on wikitech-l
[10:22:42] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Hashar; "I have rewrote commit message to make it more clear." [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3848
[10:22:45] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Hashar; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3848
[10:22:58] <hashar>	 saper: ? :)
[10:23:44] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) When returning from Nearby to article, the search bar moves leaving a one or two pixel gap - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35549  +comment (10Jon)
[10:24:31] <saper>	 hashar: http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.science.linguistics.wikipedia.technical/60044
[10:25:28] <hashar>	 saper: I must have missed a comment somewhere. Are you referring to the reply I just did to Ryan Lane ?
[10:25:49] <hashar>	 saper: I think he got a patch to allow Gerrit notifications to be sent to multiple channels.
[10:26:00] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) multiple templates and mw templates - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35554  +comment (10Yaron Koren)
[10:26:08] <hashar>	 saper: probably holding it till he is back at the office (he is in holidays right now)
[10:27:48] <saper>	 hashar: but you said "I have enhanced the python script " so you must have a source somewhere :)
[10:28:03] <hashar>	 saper: hoooo sorry
[10:28:35] <saper>	 hashar: https://bitbucket.org/plwiki/bot/src/749a01c3fe1b/irc here are my irc notification bots, for example
[10:28:46] <hashar>	 saper: let me find out. I did not posted the gerrit changes references cause the modification has been made over several changes to ease review
[10:28:54] <hashar>	 it is in operations/puppet.git 
[10:30:00] <hashar>	 saper:  here is are the details https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=35427#c4
[10:30:13] <saper>	 https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3531 & friends
[10:30:21] <hashar>	 saper: you could have a poke at bug 35427
[10:30:42] <hashar>	 saper: sending to multiple channels is probably handled by Ryan already so you probably do not want to duplicate his efforts
[10:30:55] <saper>	 gotcha
[10:31:01] <hashar>	 saper: yeah 3531 and following, topic branch is gerrit
[10:31:09] <saper>	 yeah I was thinking about buffering notifications somehow
[10:31:41] <hashar>	 buffering them ? what for? 
[10:32:03] <hashar>	 saper: the buffer is a file on gerrit filesystem
[10:32:16] <hashar>	 something like  /var/lib/gerrit2/irc/mediawiki.log
[10:33:01] <saper>	 that's beyond my abilities to see
[10:35:01] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: IAlex; "Use local context to get messages" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3853
[10:35:19] <saper>	 fatal: Couldn't find remote ref refs/changes/42/3842/1
[10:35:20] <saper>	 wtf
[10:35:49] <saper>	 ah wrong project
[10:37:57] <hashar>	 hehe
[10:38:02] <hashar>	 happens to me plenty of time per day
[10:40:43] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) nonexisting interface messages cause "&lt;" "&gt" to appear on the users browser - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/14531  +comment (10Santhosh Thottingal)
[10:41:27] <saper>	 hashar: I'd like to move https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#change,3852 to the original fix - is this ok?
[10:41:57] <hashar>	 exactly what I though
[10:42:07] <hashar>	 how will you move it to the original fix ?
[10:42:19] <hashar>	 (which is change https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3842 )
[10:43:11] <saper>	 why is 3842 closed?!!!
[10:43:29] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Bolnagri keymap for Narayam - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35559 enhancement; MediaWiki extensions: Narayam; (karunakarg)
[10:43:32] <saper>	 oh weia
[10:43:34] <hashar>	 saper: look at the comments
[10:43:34] <hashar>	 hehe
[10:43:40] <saper>	 I guess the unittest fails
[10:43:42] <hashar>	 once merged, we can not amend it
[10:44:02] <saper>	 go to hell
[10:44:03] <hashar>	 well technically, we could rebase and squash the change but that will rewrite all sha1
[10:44:06] <hashar>	 and kill gerrit
[10:44:09] <hashar>	 and confuses everyone
[10:44:13] <hashar>	 :-)
[10:44:35] <hashar>	 this afternoon, I will spend sometime trying to fix Jenkins
[10:44:45] <saper>	 it's not worth the effort
[10:44:54] <saper>	 I commented on bugzilla but not on CR
[10:44:58] <saper>	 so Nikerabbit didn't see this
[10:45:02] <hashar>	 :-D
[10:45:11] <hashar>	 I think over time we will use bugzilla a bit less
[10:45:15] <hashar>	 and use gerrit a bit more
[10:45:23] <hashar>	 to avoid that kind of merge issues
[10:45:34] <saper>	 yes, once gerrit is replaced with something usable
[10:45:36] <hashar>	 it is not a big deal anyway, just review the new change and we will be fine
[10:45:38] <hashar>	 ahah
[10:45:50] <saper>	 did anyone ran those test actually?
[10:46:12] <hashar>	 here for you saper : http://cdn5.wn.com/pd/36/0d/c0e9db2781cad60016ca09e14eb6_grande.jpg
[10:46:25] <hashar>	 almost nobody runs tests :-(
[10:46:35] <p858snake|l>	 whip them till they do
[10:46:40] <saper>	 I know I'm trolling
[10:46:51] <hashar>	 that is why we need jenkins to run tests for us and submit a result thus preventing other people to merge a faulty commit
[10:47:21] <hashar>	 saper: I know you know you are trolling. Just wanted to let you know about the troll sign :-D
[10:48:07] <Nikerabbit>	 saper: huh?
[10:48:58] <hashar>	 Nikerabbit: basically, you have merged a change that broke unit tests :)
[10:49:15] <hashar>	 santosh submitted  had to submit another change 
[10:50:30] <saper>	 hashar: I know that I'm online since 1992 :)
[10:50:39] <hashar>	 \o/
[10:50:45] <hashar>	 1992
[10:50:46] <hashar>	 hmm
[10:51:08] <hashar>	 I was probably still hacking Microsoft QBasic on a 386)sx16
[10:51:18] <saper>	 how are you guys staging your git stuff onto mediawiki? I have a $HOME/gerrit/core with "mediawiki/core" project
[10:51:20] <hashar>	 no online presence yet :-D
[10:51:31] <hashar>	 (I was 13 years old though)
[10:51:32] <saper>	 do you clone that into your "public_html" wikis?
[10:51:53] <hashar>	 I have  mediawiki/core cloned in  /srv/trunk
[10:52:07] <hashar>	 then git extensions cloned in /srv/trunk/extensions
[10:52:13] <hashar>	 I don't pay attention to svn extensions
[10:52:33] <hashar>	 then some apache magic let me have a virtual host  http://trunk.dev/  that points to  /srv/trunk
[10:52:58] <hashar>	 whenever I want to have a look at REL1_19,  I just git checkout REL1_19  and refresh http://trunk.dev/  :D
[10:53:10] <hashar>	 ( trunk.dev  obviously requires an entry in my /etc/hosts
[10:53:36] <hashar>	 my LocalSettings.php has an include call to   MySettings.php
[10:53:58] <saper>	 ok so you go "live" with your master git repo
[10:54:16] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Catrope; "Merge branch 'master' into RL2" [mediawiki/extensions/Gadgets] (RL2) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3854
[10:54:17] <hashar>	 and that one has a nice thing like:   foreach( dirlist( ./extensions/ )  as $ext )  {  include( "$ext/$ext.php" ); }
[10:54:42] <saper>	 how do you switch to, say, REL1_19, with extensions checked out?
[10:54:55] <hashar>	 I dont ? :D
[10:55:13] <hashar>	 hmmm
[10:55:22] <hashar>	 git checkout REL1_19 just works
[10:55:30] <hashar>	 the content of  ./extensions/ is just gitignored
[10:55:34] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Catrope; "Merge branch 'master' into RL2" [mediawiki/extensions/Gadgets] (RL2) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3854
[10:55:54] <hashar>	 (only README and .gitignore are not ignored)
[10:56:08] <hashar>	 so git checkout REL1_19 will happily let the currently fetched out extensions as is
[10:56:26] <hashar>	 if an extension has a REL1_19 branch, it will not be switched though :-/
[10:56:51] <hashar>	 for wmf, I have another host   http://wmf.dev/  which points to  /srv/wmf/ and the  svn branch 1.19wmf1
[10:57:11] <hashar>	 I am not sure how I will handle that once wmf branch is migrated to git
[10:57:21] <hashar>	 probably will do another clone there
[10:57:50] <saper>	 sometimes 'git checkout' says it can't rm extensions/something
[10:58:10] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Bolnagri keymap for Narayam - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35559   +i18n; +comment (10Santhosh Thottingal)
[10:58:46] <hashar>	 anyway, time for me to go downtown to get a lunch
[10:58:48] <hashar>	 ++
[10:59:08] <saper>	 btw. are you using ipv6 with free.fr by any chance?
[10:59:32] <saper>	 see ya
[10:59:48] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Bolnagri keymap for Narayam - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35559  +comment (10G Karunakar)
[11:07:59] <saper>	 anyone seen exception 1) ApiBlockTest::testMakeNormalBlock
[11:10:32] <hashar>	 saper: yeah I have ipv6 and Free.fr
[11:11:13] <saper>	 is ipv6 working good? do you have google over ipv6 enabled?
[11:11:31] <hashar>	 we have something very close to native IPv6
[11:11:41] <hashar>	 that is indeed native IPv6 inside free.fr autonomous system
[11:11:45] <Vito>	 cool
[11:11:55] <hashar>	 then there are some gateways to communicate to the outside words
[11:12:09] <hashar>	 the protocol is  6RD  (rd for Rémis Desprès, an inventor of X.25)
[11:12:18] <saper>	 yeah I read about 6rd
[11:12:26] <hashar>	 can't remember about google
[11:12:27] <Vito>	 me too
[11:12:27] <saper>	 6to4 upgraded
[11:12:33] <hashar>	 saper: exactly
[11:12:38] <saper>	 you can check ping6 www.google.com :)
[11:12:39] <Vito>	 hashar: how much is your connection?
[11:13:11] <saper>	 I am still stuck with sixxs
[11:13:30] <hashar>	 Vito I think it is 32€/month VAT included with a TV recorder and phone
[11:13:53] <Guest92901>	 is there a way to get "install mediawiki" off of the bottom or change the wording
[11:13:53] <Vito>	 how much bandwith length?
[11:14:00] <hashar>	 saper: I think google did not whitelist the new DNS systems of free
[11:14:14] <hashar>	 saper: they probably had some issues with youtube traffic passing through the 6RD gateway
[11:14:25] <saper>	 ah
[11:14:34] <Guest92901>	 is there a way to get "install mediawiki" off of the bottom or change the wording
[11:14:35] <hashar>	 Vito: bandwidth is as much as your line can handle
[11:14:54] <hashar>	 Vito: though the authority explicitly restrict ISP to give more than 1MBits for upload
[11:15:03] <Vito>	 wow
[11:15:06] <hashar>	 Vito: but you can get up to 24Mbits (ATM)  20Mbits (IP)
[11:15:10] <Nikerabbit>	 hashar: aha
[11:15:13] <hashar>	 I only have roughly 8Mbits
[11:15:23] <hashar>	 and 1Mbits ups
[11:15:25] <hashar>	 which sucks
[11:15:33] <Vito>	 hashar: I'm at the end of an ATM which sucks
[11:15:51] <Vito>	 the first hop is no closer than 40ms to me
[11:15:55] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: saper; "Tests pass successfully on myside. Pity you didn't ammend change 3842 but who cares :)" [mediawiki/core] (master) C: 1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3852
[11:15:55] <p858snake|l>	 !wg FooterIcons | Guest92901
[11:15:55] <mw-bot>	 Guest92901: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgFooterIcons
[11:15:57] <hashar>	 Vito: the only way to fix that is to find out a way to get a DSLAM closer to you place
[11:16:08] <hashar>	 Vito: that can be done with the help of your city
[11:16:26] <hashar>	 Vito: or you can petition with your neighbors and try contacting the ISPs :-D
[11:16:27] <Vito>	 hashar: the DSLAM lies upon this ATM :D
[11:16:40] <saper>	 hashar: authority? which authority? HADOPI? :-)
[11:16:44] <hashar>	 saper: hahah
[11:17:11] <hashar>	 saper: ARCEP Autorité de régulation des communications électroniques et des postes
[11:17:23] <hashar>	 saper: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARCEP
[11:17:32] <Vito>	 Guest92901: you meant have a footer down your pages?
[11:17:50] <hashar>	 it is a government agency in charge of electronic communications (such as internet) and postal regulations
[11:17:56] <Guest92901>	 so $wgFooterIcons = false; and no more "powered by mediawiki" or "install mediawiki"
[11:18:01] <hashar>	 don't ask me why postal activities are under that agency :-)))
[11:18:15] <Vito>	 the same happens in Italy
[11:18:21] <Vito>	 it's a hold "heritage"
[11:18:58] <hashar>	 so basically ARCEP is regulating the telecom world in France
[11:19:12] <hashar>	 including mobile phone operators
[11:19:26] <hashar>	 which had some kind of an oligopoly till this year
[11:19:29] <Guest92901>	 for example go to the bottom of http://spyinginc.com and there is "powered by mediawiki" and "install medaiwiki" and by setting that to false, that is not there?
[11:19:47] <Vito>	 Directory has no index file.
[11:19:49] <hashar>	 (company being SFR / Orange / Bouygues ) all proposing similar overpriced mobile phone subscribtion
[11:20:04] <hashar>	 then free came with an illimited mobile phone subscription at 20€/months
[11:20:16] <hashar>	 and the oligopoly entered panic
[11:20:32] <hashar>	 1hour + 60 SMS for 2€/months 
[11:20:40] <hashar>	 phone non included obviously :-D
[11:20:57] <Vito>	 I have 800 minutes + 4000 SMS for...10€/month
[11:21:05] <hashar>	 haha
[11:21:10] <saper>	 when did the jenkins ran last time?
[11:21:19] <RoanKattouw>	 I have 300 minutes + unlimited SMS + unlimited data for $35/mo
[11:21:31] <Guest92901>	 now i did that and invalid argument for foreach() in ...
[11:21:35] <RoanKattouw>	 But my phone doesn't work outside of North America
[11:21:35] <hashar>	 Vito: does it include internet / data ? 
[11:21:54] <Vito>	 I have a very old phone ^^
[11:22:19] <hashar>	 RoanKattouw: mine is unlimited phone calls to 40 countries + unlimited SMS +  3GBytes internet data for 16€/months (that is free.fr subscription with a 4€/months discount since I already have internet with them)
[11:22:29] <Guest92901>	 what do i set the variable to to disable ALL footer icons!!!!
[11:23:14] <Vito>	 I would do it via css
[11:23:21] <RoanKattouw>	 heh, nice
[11:23:28] <hashar>	 I am pretty sure I closed a bug about that footer icons some weeks ago
[11:23:34] <Vito>	 find the elements and hide them on Mediawiki:Common.css
[11:23:50] <Vito>	 hashar: anyway I can say free.fr rulez, you persuaded me :D
[11:24:03] <Vito>	 you're a great sponsor for free.fr ^^
[11:24:09] <hashar>	 :-D
[11:24:18] <RoanKattouw>	 I have to pay for all international calls+texts, but then again I live in an enormous country
[11:24:21] <hashar>	 I never had to call their customer care, that might explain :-D
[11:25:00] * Vito  should change his own last copper ~30 meters

[11:25:38] <Guest92901>	 done with that
[11:25:57] <saper>	 RoanKattouw: did you see API test throwing and exception?
[11:26:00] <Guest92901>	 is there a way to change the maximum number of days one can be remembered
[11:26:08] <RoanKattouw>	 saper: ?
[11:26:31] <hashar>	 RoanKattouw: I got free call to the USA from my mobile :-)))
[11:26:37] <hashar>	 could use that to attend conference calls
[11:26:44] <RoanKattouw>	 nice
[11:26:53] <wpirc7017>	 how do I change the table sorting locale (for languages that use spaces or dots as separators, and commas as decimal separators)?
[11:27:00] <saper>	 RoanKattouw: http://p.defau.lt/?Lj6yKPGAzbT4vGQeSCwCvw
[11:27:13] <hashar>	 lunch time, will be back later
[11:27:14] <Vito>	 Guest92901: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgCookieExpiration
[11:27:25] <Vito>	 bye hashar
[11:27:33] <saper>	 I always try to use VoIP for confcalls, because narrow bandwidth of a mobile phone is unbearable
[11:28:17] <Guest92901>	 how many seconds are in a year?
[11:28:26] <Vito>	 do the maths :p
[11:28:30] <Vito>	 *-s
[11:28:39] <Vito>	 365*24*3600
[11:28:42] <Guest92901>	 /join #math
[11:28:46] <Vito>	 but I'm not sure it's a great idea
[11:28:52] <Vito>	 to have such long cookies
[11:29:03] <Guest92901>	 why not?
[11:29:09] <Vito>	 I'm too lazy to check if there's an upper limit
[11:29:35] <saper>	 google has had one till 2016 
[11:29:45] <Guest92901>	 why is it a bad idea to keep users logged in?
[11:29:48] <Vito>	 this cookie will probably never expire but it will be deleted by other stuffs or overpassed by a new password
[11:30:00] <Vito>	 finally cookie expiring is meant for security reasons
[11:30:06] <Vito>	 saper: google cookies are evil
[11:30:16] <Guest92901>	 ok how?
[11:30:30] <saper>	 I know my mother says I should not eat them
[11:31:05] <Vito>	 google cookies did a lot of disruption in the past
[11:31:12] <Vito>	 they burnt Rome
[11:31:41] <Guest92901>	 what security issues? what is mediawiki's?
[11:31:51] <Vito>	 generally
[11:32:01] <saper>	 Guest92901: http://noc.wikimedia.org/conf/
[11:32:10] <saper>	 you mean wikimedia's?
[11:32:21] <Guest92901>	 http://mediawiki.org
[11:32:42] <Vito>	 long cookie expiring is not an issu for mediawiki
[11:32:54] <Vito>	 but generally they are not a good practice
[11:32:55] <Vito>	 brb
[11:33:27] <Guest92901>	 why not?
[11:33:46] <Guest92901>	 google, the number one in stock prices, has long cookies
[11:33:48] <saper>	 it's funny. It's just two HTTP request and response headers that became evil. 
[11:34:03] <saper>	 I like when lawyers call them "files"
[11:35:21] <Guest92901>	 why are cookies swecurity issue?
[11:36:50] <saper>	 because a good "Cookie" header from the browser is able to bypass username, password and stuff.
[11:37:23] <wpirc7017>	 doesn't anybody know?
[11:37:32] <Guest92901>	 that is it? autofill? that is the big bad reason for not having a yearly cookie
[11:39:12] <saper>	 no, no autofill. I just send a request with your cookie and I am you.
[11:39:21] <chughakshay16>	 aharoni : hi,
[11:39:29] <aharoni>	 hi
[11:39:53] <saper>	 aharoni: hi, how's your git today?
[11:40:06] <Guest92901>	 how do  you do that? how come year cookies are esier than 6month cookies?
[11:41:29] <aharoni>	 saper, i still didn't have to drink any vodka today to calm down
[11:41:43] <aharoni>	 so maybe i'm getting used to it
[11:42:01] <chughakshay16>	 aharoni : bugs which dont have any votes in bugzilla.. do they need to be fixed... ?
[11:42:20] <chughakshay16>	 aharoni : i mean would it be okay if i submitted patches for them ?
[11:42:27] <aharoni>	 chughakshay16: yes. votes have very little influence.
[11:42:28] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) [jquery.byteLimit.js] selected text is not replaceable by a single character when byte limit is reached - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35560 normal; MediaWiki: Javascript; (fomafix)
[11:42:34] <saper>	 aharoni: didn't try with vodka yet... good idea
[11:42:44] <chughakshay16>	 aharoni : okay
[11:42:45] <aharoni>	 chughakshay16: so yes, please submit patches.
[11:42:57] <chughakshay16>	 aharoni : i will :|
[11:43:02] <aharoni>	 thank you!
[11:43:24] <saper>	 Bisecting: 41 revisions left to test after this (roughly 5 steps)
[11:43:40] <saper>	 see how wonderful "git bisect" works with out unit tests
[11:44:38] <Guest92901>	 is there a way if i login as say foo to actualy login as foobar?
[11:45:23] <saper>	 you mean something like 'su' UNIX command?
[11:45:30] <saper>	 or windows "runas.exe" ?
[11:46:51] <Guest92901>	 i mean on my wiki i login as bbbobbb and i actualy login as bob
[11:47:22] <saper>	 don't know what you mean sorry
[11:51:24] <p858snake|l>	 Guest92901: why would you want to do that?
[11:52:24] <Nikerabbit>	 Krinkle-away: why did you modify mediawiki:code-referenced localle on mw.org?
[11:53:06] <Guest92901>	 i login as guest92901 all of the time. i am under sysop on my wiki. i still want my username sysop. it is hard to remember to login as sysop all of the time, so how do i login as guest92901 on the login and automaticly be logged in as sysop instead 
[11:53:36] <RoanKattouw>	 You don't
[11:53:42] <RoanKattouw>	 MediaWiki doesn't work that way
[11:53:57] <RoanKattouw>	 Just like in every other web application ever, you will have to remember what your username is and use that to log in
[11:54:04] * varnent  feeling argh about CAPTCHA solutions..damn you spammers

[11:55:31] * Guest92901  is sad

[11:55:36] * Guest92901  likes /me

[11:55:49] * Guest92901  is /meing right now

[12:01:45] * Guest92901  /mes

[12:04:24] <aharoni>	 RoanKattouw: WebInstallerOutput.php loads shared.css separately, which seems to be quite different from regular wiki pages. As a result of this, CSSJanus doesn't transform it. Is it needed to load shared.css separately there?
[12:04:44] <RoanKattouw>	 I have no idea
[12:04:47] <RoanKattouw>	 I think ^demon wrote that
[12:05:54] <^demon>	 That's because it was written before ResourceLoader days, and actually it can't rely on anything tied to the database.
[12:10:33] <aharoni>	 ^demon: does it need anything from the database? can it now be transformed using CSSJanus?
[12:10:59] <^demon>	 Janus does the flipping, right?
[12:11:03] <aharoni>	 yes
[12:11:18] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Search button is not visible with images disabled on Samsung Jet. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/30829  +comment (10Jon)
[12:11:27] <^demon>	 As long as it doesn't touch the database, yeah that should be fine.
[12:11:55] <aharoni>	 thanks
[12:11:59] <^demon>	 Wait, I thought I already did that. You're looking at WebInstallerOutput::getCSS(), right?
[12:12:22] <aharoni>	 yes
[12:12:35] <^demon>	 Line 109/110
[12:12:38] <^demon>	 if( $dir == 'rtl' ) {
[12:12:38] <^demon>	 			$css = CSSJanus::transform( $css, true );
[12:12:54] <aharoni>	 yes, but it doesn't apply to shared.css, which is a separate line
[12:13:04] <aharoni>	 same file, line 200
[12:14:25] <^demon>	 Oh yeahhh. I remember that now. Actually it makes sense to move shared.css into getCSS().
[12:15:42] <aharoni>	 basically, now it loads two files, concatenates them, and transforms them? and it's possible to simply add a third one?
[12:16:16] <^demon>	 Yeah. Originally it didn't concat and transform them, they were separate lines.
[12:16:25] <^demon>	 I just never got around to moving shared.css up there with it.
[12:18:33] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) generateSitemap should not generate maps for disabled namespaces - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35558  +comment (10Chad H.)
[12:19:33] <aharoni>	 ^demon, RoanKattouw - thanks
[12:20:02] <^demon>	 No problem.
[12:21:52] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) [jquery.byteLimit] Use post-insert check instead of trying to figure out all ways of insertion - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35561 enhancement; MediaWiki: Javascript; (krinklemail)
[12:21:54] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) [jquery.byteLimit.js] selected text is not replaceable by a single character when byte limit is reached - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35560  (10Krinkle)
[12:22:33] <Krinkle>	 Nikerabbit: [[mediawiki:code-referenced]] ?
[12:22:37] <Krinkle>	 ![[ mediawiki:code-referenced
[12:22:38] <mw-bot>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/mediawiki%3Acode-referenced
[12:22:56] <wikibugs>	 03(ASSIGNED) "Next" and "Previous" buttons are shown incorrectly in an RTL environment - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31236  (10Amir E. Aharoni)
[12:23:16] <Krinkle>	 Nikerabbit: You mean why that edit or why not in svn?
[12:30:14] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Change table.metadata to metadata - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31510  +comment (10Jon)
[12:30:31] <saper>	 Dantman: tests/phpunit/includes/api/ApiBlockTest.php seems to throw and exception http://p.defau.lt/?Lj6yKPGAzbT4vGQeSCwCvw after e2ee009e5c4b9632b2067d36dc44009b18ba57df
[12:34:15] <FooBarMartijn>	 I'm looking to set up my first mediawiki installation to start hacking it a bit, but I'm a huge operations noob. Does anyone have a few minutes to help me out with getting a webserver to serve mediawiki?
[12:34:20] <wikibugs>	 14(DUP) MobileFrontend extension doesn't load MediaWiki:Common.css - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34325  +comment (10Jon)
[12:34:23] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Give projects the opportunity to add mobile specific JS/CSS - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/22659  +comment (10Jon)
[12:34:25] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: saper; "Seems to cause exception on the test to me:" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3434
[12:36:48] <RoanKattouw>	 FooBarMartijn: What kind of operating system are you trying to run this on?
[12:36:58] * RoanKattouw  hopes the answer is Ubuntu or another Debian-based Linux distro

[12:37:04] <FooBarMartijn>	 indeed it is
[12:37:09] <RoanKattouw>	 yay
[12:37:13] <FooBarMartijn>	 I don't give a ratsass about which webserver it should be
[12:37:20] <RoanKattouw>	 Then use Apache :)
[12:37:32] <FooBarMartijn>	 Apache is scary, but if the support is there, that's fine
[12:37:45] <RoanKattouw>	 Install the libapache2-mod-php5 package
[12:37:48] <IWorld>	 I want to begin developing of code. Does anyone of you know a list with small bugs?
[12:37:56] <RoanKattouw>	 That should install both Apache and PHP and set them up correctly
[12:38:00] <RoanKattouw>	 !annoyinglittlebug
[12:38:00] <mw-bot>	 I don't know anything about "annoyinglittlebug".
[12:38:03] <RoanKattouw>	 Boo
[12:38:15] <chughakshay16>	 is it possible to use REGEXP in sql queries in mediawiki ?
[12:38:15] <RoanKattouw>	 IWorld: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Annoying_Little_Bug
[12:38:22] <FooBarMartijn>	 already have that
[12:38:25] <RoanKattouw>	 chughakshay16: Why would you do that?
[12:38:27] <^demon>	 RoanKattouw: Plus php5-mysql
[12:38:31] <RoanKattouw>	 Ah yes that too
[12:38:34] <IWorld>	 ah, ok RoanKattouw 
[12:38:46] <IWorld>	 !annoyinglittlebug is https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Annoying_Little_Bug
[12:38:46] <mw-bot>	 Successfully added keyword: annoyinglittlebug
[12:38:48] <FooBarMartijn>	 I'm this far: I already successfully ran the installation script
[12:38:52] <FooBarMartijn>	 now I just have to serve it
[12:38:58] <^demon>	 Although with mysqlnd, I'm not sure if that's necessary anymore on a default debian/ubuntu build.
[12:39:01] <^demon>	 But can't hurt :)
[12:39:08] <RoanKattouw>	 Oh, you used the CLI installer?
[12:39:09] <chughakshay16>	 RoanKattouw, i want to filter out some results on the basis of a regular expression
[12:39:12] <FooBarMartijn>	 ya
[12:40:15] <FooBarMartijn>	 I probably just need to convince a webserver to serve it up - likely a trivial part - but I really suck at that
[12:40:34] <chughakshay16>	 RoanKattouw, i tried it with $dbr->select() and its throwing me a sql error
[12:41:00] <RoanKattouw>	 FooBarMartijn: This is probably easier if you use the web installer
[12:41:19] <^demon>	 Please use the web installer unless you're testing the cli installer.
[12:41:32] <^demon>	 I hate it, and I never should've allowed it to be released in that condition.
[12:41:34] <Reedy>	 chughakshay16: buildLike
[12:41:43] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jdlrobson; "submitting form opens first search result of previous search" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3855
[12:41:44] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jdlrobson; "delay clear search so it doesn't interfere with blur event" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3856
[12:41:45] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jdlrobson; "normal line height for iphone and ipad" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3857
[12:42:01] <FooBarMartijn>	 where can I find that one?
[12:42:14] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) Mobile beta: Enter key does not display top search results - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35528  +comment (10Jon)
[12:42:24] <Reedy>	 FooBarMartijn: visit http://localhost
[12:42:34] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) Mobile beta: Button to clear search closes search (Android 2.3.4) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35527  +comment (10Jon)
[12:43:13] <chughakshay16>	 RoanKattouw, i just want to filter out the subpages.. i dont think buildLike would be of any help !
[12:43:30] <RoanKattouw>	 Yes it would
[12:43:34] <RoanKattouw>	 You can use NOT LIKE
[12:43:37] <FooBarMartijn>	 Reedy, there is some other residual thingy up there serving some obsolete nonsense
[12:43:50] <Reedy>	 where did you extract the mw files to?
[12:43:57] <Reedy>	 apache default it works?
[12:44:18] <saper>	 Reedy: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#change,3434 this is strange.. how come it fails on me and not jenkins?
[12:44:34] <FooBarMartijn>	 Reedy, I cloned 1.20 alpha somewhere
[12:44:39] <Reedy>	 "somewhere"
[12:44:40] <Reedy>	 helpful :p
[12:44:45] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) generateSitemap should not generate maps for disabled namespaces - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35558  +comment (10Niklas Laxström)
[12:44:50] <FooBarMartijn>	 in some homedir
[12:45:05] <FooBarMartijn>	 replace the current content of the www dir with a simlink there?
[12:45:43] <Reedy>	 sure, symlink it to /var/www/w
[12:48:54] <FooBarMartijn>	 well, at least I'm serving 'something'
[12:48:56] <FooBarMartijn>	 The requested URL /wiki/index.php/Main_Page was not found on this server.
[12:49:42] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Catrope; "To get a diff of this change:" [mediawiki/extensions/Gadgets] (RL2); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3854
[12:49:42] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) generateSitemap should not generate maps for disabled namespaces - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35558  +comment (10Chad H.)
[12:50:14] <Reedy>	 http://localhost/w/mw-config ?
[12:50:37] <FooBarMartijn>	 there we go, thanks Reedy
[12:53:06] <FooBarMartijn>	 Upgrade complete.
[12:53:06] <FooBarMartijn>	 You can now start using your wiki.
[12:53:23] <FooBarMartijn>	 which still links to Not Found
[12:53:23] <FooBarMartijn>	 The requested URL /wiki/index.php/Main_Page was not found on this server.
[12:53:26] <FooBarMartijn>	 :/
[12:53:54] <FooBarMartijn>	 http://localhost/w/index.php/Main_Page works though, but without css
[12:54:46] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Demon; "Really the correct route long-run to go is to dust off abstract schema work from 2 summers ago ;-)" [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3699
[12:55:09] <FooBarMartijn>	 leave it to me to bork a foolproof install ;)
[12:55:52] <FooBarMartijn>	 there we go
[12:56:10] <FooBarMartijn>	 mv w wiki and bob's my uncle
[12:56:21] <FooBarMartijn>	 (he really is, btw, remind me to thank him)
[12:56:53] <Reedy>	 Noooo
[12:56:56] <Reedy>	 Don't move w to wiki
[12:57:03] <Reedy>	 !prettyurl
[12:57:03] <mw-bot>	 To create simple URLs (such as the /wiki/PAGENAME style URLs on Wikimedia sites), follow the instructions at <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL>. There are instructions for most different webserver setups. If you have problems getting the rewrite rules to work, see !rewriteproblem
[12:57:09] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Demon; "(no comment)" [test/mediawiki/core] (REL1_19); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3849
[12:57:10] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: saper; "By the way, please review https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#change,3365 which updates postgres updater..." [mediawiki/core] (master) C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3699
[12:57:11] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Demon; [test/mediawiki/core] (REL1_19) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3849
[12:57:21] <FooBarMartijn>	 ok ok it's back
[13:00:25] * varnent  allowing the coffee to seep into my blood...

[13:02:10] <FooBarMartijn>	 what should and what shouldn't be working at this point? http://localhost/wiki/index.php/Main_Page isn't working, http://localhost/w/index.php/Main_Page is working, links are all linking to /wiki dirs, and are not working
[13:02:41] <FooBarMartijn>	 should going through the prettyurl procedure fix that?
[13:06:10] <Reedy>	 yeah, couple of lines in your apache config/.htaccess and a couple of lines in your LocalSettings
[13:06:19] <FooBarMartijn>	 awesome 
[13:06:33] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Catrope; "Merge branch 'master' into RL2" [mediawiki/extensions/Gadgets] (RL2) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3854
[13:06:53] <FooBarMartijn>	 thanks Mr. Reed, I will be back once I bork that process too ;)
[13:07:07] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Catrope; "Patchset 3 changes the aforementioned span to a div" [mediawiki/extensions/Gadgets] (RL2); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3854
[13:07:27] <codurr>	 03daniel * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/114552> 10/branches/Wikidata/phase3/includes/ (ContentHandler.php Title.php): us isCssOrJsPage() only for script pages actually used in the UI, not all pages containing CSS or JS
[13:08:53] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) An Edit link for the "in other languages" box in the left of wiki page. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/11191  +comment (10石庭豐)
[13:09:23] <codurr>	 03daniel * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/114553> 10/branches/Wikidata/phase3/includes/Article.php: catch exceptions while generating auto delete reason
[13:09:56] <codurr>	 03daniel * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/114554> 10/branches/Wikidata/phase3/includes/diff/DairikiDiff.php: mark _DiffOf_XXX etc for refactoring
[13:14:54] <rudi>	 @ ^demon: Hi, I am the maintainer of Extension:GeoGebra and Extension:FormelApplet. I was requested to move my code to GIT. Can you give me access?
[13:15:28] <^demon>	 Please see my e-mail to wikitech-l on the subject. I will announce when the next round of extensions will move over.
[13:16:20] <rudi>	 Username: Rudolf.Grossmann Email: rg58(at)gmx.de No SVN account.
[13:16:47] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) When returning from Nearby to article, the search bar moves leaving a one or two pixel gap - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35549  +comment (10Liangent)
[13:17:05] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Commits from the l10n-bot should be merged immediately - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35537  normal->04CRIT (10Chad H.)
[13:17:16] <rudi>	 Thanks. I will look to wikitech-l.
[13:18:02] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Implement a way to group related commits (allowing a commit to be in multiple groups) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35534  +comment (10Chad H.)
[13:18:41] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Free-form tagging in gerrit - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35534   +upstream; summary (10Chad H.)
[13:19:00] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Top section isn't automatically expanded - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35552  +comment (10Patrick Hayes)
[13:20:11] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Make Gerrit project list more discoverable and available - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35510  +comment (10Chad H.)
[13:20:33] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Krinkle; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/Gadgets] (RL2); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3854
[13:20:35] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Krinkle; [mediawiki/extensions/Gadgets] (RL2) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3854
[13:21:13] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Update gerrit - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35466  +comment (10Chad H.)
[13:22:49] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) An Edit link for the "in other languages" box in the left of wiki page. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/11191  +comment (10Nemo_bis)
[13:26:14] <FooBarMartijn>	 Reedy, thanks a ton, I'm up and running
[13:26:26] <codurr>	 03ezachte * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/114555> 10/trunk/wikistats/squids/SquidReportArchive.pl: new rows for report user agents
[13:34:37] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) 2000px Link on image description page lead to 0 byte thumbnail. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35521  +comment (10Rod Lockwood)
[13:38:42] <varnent>	 anyone got a clever title for a wiki's spam killer in chief - if you will...?
[13:39:07] <varnent>	 Spam Master sounds like they're a master of spamming..
[13:39:18] <FooBarMartijn>	 SEM officer? (Search Engine Minimalisation)
[13:39:40] <FooBarMartijn>	 Ham Master
[13:39:55] <varnent>	 FooBarMartijn: I like it..sounds fancy  - lol..Ham Master is good too - community appeal  :)
[13:39:58] <FooBarMartijn>	 Spam Dicer In Chief
[13:40:17] <varnent>	 I like the fun ones - I think they play well in wiki communities
[13:40:42] <varnent>	 hmm..Spam Dicer in Chief is a favorite now..
[13:42:06] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) An Edit link for the "in other languages" box in the left of wiki page. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/11191  +comment (10石庭豐)
[13:42:07] <Coren>	 bbiab
[13:43:01] <sujay>	 I was trying out my first special page which just display "hello" and has a submit button, but when i press the submit button, it get redirected to a page displaying search bar
[13:43:58] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Nikerabbit; "Namespace gender aliases for hr" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3859
[13:44:47] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) Gender namespaces on hr wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35541  +comment (10Niklas Laxström)
[13:46:51] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Reedy; "Don't the sqlite files need duplicating for sqlite...?" [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3841
[13:53:48] <drecodeam>	 hi can someone tell me what is the best way to test a code on different browsers and versions ?
[13:57:12] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) @import styles broken in <skin>.css in user and site modules - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35562 minor; MediaWiki: Resource Loader; (krinklemail)
[13:57:28] <Krinkle>	 drecodeam: what kind of code
[13:57:43] <drecodeam>	 Krinkle: javscript code 
[13:58:02] <drecodeam>	 i am working on the UploadWizard extension, and was implementing HTML5 drag and drop feature in it 
[13:58:19] <Krinkle>	 Is it testable from javascript, or do you need a human check?
[13:58:39] <drecodeam>	 i would need human check as i have to drag files i guess 
[13:58:45] <Krinkle>	 Can you write a function that will return true or false whether it does what you want it to do?
[13:58:48] <Krinkle>	 Ah, I see
[13:59:01] <Krinkle>	 drecodeam: in that case I suggest getting access to BrowserStack or CrossBrowserTesting
[13:59:21] <Krinkle>	 then set up a ssh tunnel to your localhost (takes 10 seconds, easier than it sounds) and open browsers one by one and test
[13:59:41] <Krinkle>	 google them for info
[13:59:58] <Krinkle>	 They are fairly cheap, but I believe Wikimedia has accounts for at least one of them.
[14:00:19] <Krinkle>	 I don't know how tight the credentials to those accounts are, but you could ask the project manager to fix that for you :)
[14:01:24] <drecodeam>	 Krinkle: ya but they have trials, so as of now i can use them. I am also looking into BrowserLab by adobe 
[14:01:45] <drecodeam>	 can you explain the ssh tunnel method a bit more, i didnt get it 
[14:02:19] <Krinkle>	 BrowserLabs is nice, I've used that. The big plus compared to BrowserShots.org is that you can set a delay of 10 seconds after window.onload to take the screenshot and the results are instant (not waiting 30 seconds)
[14:02:30] <Krinkle>	 however neither Browserlabs or BrowserShots give you acccess
[14:02:31] <Krinkle>	 only images
[14:03:18] <Krinkle>	 drecodeam: both of those services have a way to set up a tunnel from your localhost to that VM so that you can test your local changes there, without having to set up a public server and a url to use
[14:03:39] <Krinkle>	 when you are logged in I can tell you where it is, its very simple
[14:04:10] <Krinkle>	 (it makes it so that "http://localhost" in that remote server points to your local host)  
[14:04:39] <drecodeam>	 i am logged into browserstack 
[14:04:54] <drecodeam>	 trial version though :P, i clicked on the tunnel option 
[14:06:45] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) miro subscribe button has a double address and send an invalid feed. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35539  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[14:07:32] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Enable full IPv6 support on Wikimedia wikis (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35540  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[14:07:54] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Provide general means to map IP address spaces (IPv4 to IPv6 and back) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35542  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[14:08:06] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Cross-protocol support for X-Forwarded-For for both IPv4 and IPv6 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35544  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[14:09:08] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Grant the abusefilter-log-detail right to patrollers on Commons - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35545   +shell (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[14:09:36] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Grant the abusefilter-log-detail right to patrollers on Commons - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35545  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[14:12:19] <hashar>	 re
[14:13:11] <drecodeam>	 Krinkle: made it work, but it does not support drag drop operations 
[14:13:31] <codurr>	 New code comment: Jeroen De Dauw; If you fixed the stuff, mark your commit as "new", else it'll just stay "fixme" :); <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/114549#c32561>
[14:14:06] <Krinkle>	 drecodeam: what are you trying
[14:14:13] <Krinkle>	 drecodeam: where are you logged in?
[14:14:51] <drecodeam>	 i logged into browserStack 
[14:15:00] <drecodeam>	 then set up the tunnel option 
[14:15:13] <drecodeam>	 now i can access my localhost in the browserStack environment 
[14:15:41] <Krinkle>	 OK
[14:15:47] <drecodeam>	 but it does not support drag and drop of files 
[14:15:48] <Krinkle>	 Make the window inside the VM smaller
[14:15:59] <Krinkle>	 open the local documents folder
[14:16:06] <Krinkle>	 and drag/drop from the sample files in there
[14:16:13] <Krinkle>	 you can't drag and drop from your own computer
[14:20:29] <codurr>	 03daniel * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/114556> 10/branches/Wikidata/phase3/ (includes/EditPage.php languages/messages/MessagesEn.php): handle parse errors sanely
[14:22:11] <wikibugs>	 14(WFM) Once a Wiki is created, it needs to be included in the statistics - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35555  +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[14:22:18] <drecodeam>	 Krinkle: i can find the start button, but there is nothing in it. Can not seem to find the local documents folder
[14:22:32] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) action=upload & stash & chunk results in truncated files - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35563 normal; MediaWiki: API; (rainerrillke)
[14:23:03] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) [jquery.byteLimit] selected text is not replaceable by a single character when byte limit is reached - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35560  summary (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[14:23:39] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) action=upload & stash & chunk results in truncated files - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35563  +comment (10Rainer@Rillke.eu)
[14:24:52] <Krinkle>	 drecodeam: hm.. let me check myself
[14:26:00] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) action=upload & stash & chunk results in truncated files - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35563  +comment (10Rainer@Rillke.eu)
[14:26:17] <drecodeam>	 ok
[14:27:09] <Krinkle>	 drecodeam: Ah, they didn't optimize for drag and drop
[14:27:14] <Krinkle>	 drecodeam: but it is possible
[14:27:23] <drecodeam>	 Krinkle: how ?
[14:27:34] <Krinkle>	 drecodeam: they only assumed the use case where you use a {Browse…} button
[14:27:37] <Krinkle>	 the files are on the Desktop
[14:27:40] <Krinkle>	 but invisible by default
[14:27:46] <Krinkle>	 double click the PRograms icon in [Start]
[14:27:54] <Krinkle>	 then [^] until you're at Desktop
[14:27:59] <varnent>	 sumanah: just the amazing living resource book I was thinking of  :)  do you by chance know if WM uses Drupal or has any informal relationship?
[14:28:12] <Krinkle>	 there's audio, documents, images and video
[14:28:14] <sumanah>	 hi varnent 
[14:28:25] <Reedy>	 varnent: don't fundraising use drupal?
[14:28:27] <Reedy>	 or is it something else..
[14:28:40] <drecodeam>	 Krinkle: ok trying it, had closed it as i had ,limited free time only 
[14:28:42] <varnent>	 Reedy: that's what I was thinking..isn't it CiviCRM based on Drupal?
[14:28:45] <sumanah>	 varnent: We use CiviCRM via Drupal and I think that's about it for the Wikimedia Foundation, but I'm sure there are chapters that use Drupal in various ways, with CiviCRM + other ways
[14:28:58] <Reedy>	 Yeah, that sounds right
[14:29:17] <sumanah>	 However! I would not be surprised if there were additional Drupal installations I don't know about, varnent 
[14:29:24] <varnent>	 sumanah & Reedy: excellent - that helps answer two questions in a few unrelated conversations  :)
[14:29:28] <saper>	 everybody is so wordpress now
[14:29:51] * varnent  still working with a few folks on contemplating how this whole WMF Associates thing might unfold

[14:31:33] <Lydia_WMDE>	 sumanah: hey btw :)  sorry - when you last pinged me it was 3am or something so i was in bed as i should be :D
[14:31:46] <sumanah>	 no problem Lydia_WMDE :-) should I presume that sometimes your nick is online but you are not?
[14:31:48] <Lydia_WMDE>	 sumanah: thx - things are fine but moving to berlin is turning out to be a major hassle
[14:31:56] <sumanah>	 Aieeee
[14:32:01] <Lydia_WMDE>	 yes i a basically always online
[14:32:05] <Lydia_WMDE>	 but away status is correct
[14:32:15] <sumanah>	 well, I know you are equal to any hassle that bureaucracy can throw at you, Lydia_WMDE :)
[14:32:17] <Lydia_WMDE>	 my quassel sets me away when i disconnect
[14:32:23] <Lydia_WMDE>	 :D
[14:32:31] <Lydia_WMDE>	 and you?
[14:33:09] <SPQRobin>	 hi sumanah, I've sent an e-mail to wikitech about my GSoC proposal (I've also registered on the Google melange site already)
[14:33:10] <sumanah>	 Lydia_WMDE: I am less optimistic about my own capability to respond to German bureaucracy
[14:33:16] <sumanah>	 great, thank you SPQRobin!
[14:33:27] <varnent>	 sumanah: this is where that conversation is going - in case you're interested  :)  -  http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Affiliates_Network
[14:33:29] <Lydia_WMDE>	 sumanah: hah! where's the problem? 
[14:33:51] <varnent>	 sumanah: speaking of the Melange site - did you get the info from my acct you need?  I think more of it is live than when we last tried
[14:34:08] <sumanah>	 varnent: I need to add you as backup admin, how about I do that right now
[14:34:13] <sumanah>	 Lydia_WMDE: fortunately no prob yet!
[14:34:27] <Lydia_WMDE>	 \o/
[14:34:29] <Lydia_WMDE>	 good good
[14:34:29] <energypedia>	 I want to add the ability to print a table. I am working on a wikibased website, and I have a to-do list. I want to add a button next to the edit button, that says print table.specifically this one http://endev.energypedia.info/index.php/Interns#To_do-_Dustin_Wilborn
[14:34:30] <sumanah>	 SPQRobin: I haven't gotten the auto-confirm from you inserting your proposal into Melange yet
[14:35:06] <sumanah>	 varnent: "link ID" is "varnent" right?
[14:35:07] <SPQRobin>	 sumanah: I've registered but not yet submitted the actual proposal
[14:35:13] <sumanah>	 SPQRobin: aha, got it
[14:36:10] <energypedia>	 I work directly in German bureaucracy if you need any help.
[14:36:24] <sumanah>	 I don't need any, I was just being fanciful, thanks. Maybe Lydia does :-)
[14:36:38] <Lydia_WMDE>	 hah
[14:36:44] <Lydia_WMDE>	 i just need someone to kick someone's ass
[14:36:59] <Lydia_WMDE>	 if that's part of your job... :P
[14:37:20] <energypedia>	 not exactly, but for the right price i could be an ass kicker for hire
[14:37:22] <energypedia>	 lol
[14:37:25] <Lydia_WMDE>	 haha
[14:37:26] <potter>	 I have a titleObject and i wanted to extract the wikitext in the title. I should query database right? Which table?
[14:37:36] <Krinkle>	 drecodeam: does it work now?
[14:38:00] <drecodeam>	 the double click is not working. Does not open the explorer
[14:38:12] <energypedia>	 I want to add the ability to print a table. Repeat: I am working on a wikibased website, and I have a to-do list. I want to add a button next to the edit button, that says print table.specifically this one http://endev.energypedia.info/index.php/Interns#To_do-_Dustin_Wilborn
[14:38:26] <Krinkle>	 drecodeam: click start, then double-click on Programs
[14:38:37] <Krinkle>	 it opens the explorer
[14:38:46] <Krinkle>	 or right-click Open as last resort
[14:38:52] <Krinkle>	 works here
[14:39:28] <ashish_d>	 jkuj
[14:41:01] <drecodeam>	 Krinkle: does not work, i am on a mac. but i guess that should not be a problem 
[14:41:22] <Krinkle>	 I am on a mac
[14:41:36] <Krinkle>	 you're in a BrowserStack windows VM?
[14:41:48] <drecodeam>	 ya 
[14:43:59] <energypedia>	 can anyone help me with my situation? it seems fairly simple for someone experienced with wiki's.
[14:44:58] <sumanah>	 energypedia: if you continue to have trouble, you might try the mediawiki-l list
[14:45:00] <sumanah>	 !lists | energypedia 
[14:45:01] <mw-bot>	 energypedia: mediawiki-l and wikitech-l are the primary mailing lists for MediaWiki-related issues. See https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Mailing_lists for details.
[14:45:13] <Reedy>	 Printing just a table isn't going to be simple
[14:45:21] <Reedy>	 unless the page only consists of a table
[14:45:54] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: MarkAHershberger; "Attempt to address Bug 35547 by making sure data.query.threads[threadId] is defined." [mediawiki/extensions/LiquidThreads] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3860
[14:45:56] <energypedia>	 oh. o.k I was over optimistic. Thanks guys
[14:46:15] <potter>	 sumanah: submitted proposal in http://www.google-melange.com/
[14:46:38] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Hashar; "MediaWiki is smart enough to convert the MySQL SQL file to sqlite format. I have just tested by usin..." [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3841
[14:47:39] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Reedy; "Oh, I've always added duplicate files to the sqlite folder.. If it's clever enough to fallback to th..." [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3841
[14:47:45] <potter_away>	 sumanah: sry have to go. its urgent
[14:48:31] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) LQT comments are not displayed after editing them - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35547  +comment (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[14:48:44] <sumanah>	 ok, bye potter_away 
[14:49:19] <chughakshay16>	 sumanah : hi, need some help
[14:51:05] <sumanah>	 chughakshay16: go ahead, what help do you need?
[14:51:06] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Direct wikisource: link in bewiki and be_x_oldwiki to bewikisource - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35557   +shell (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[14:51:31] <chughakshay16>	 sumanah : well i have set up an account with wikimedia labs...
[14:51:39] <sumanah>	 chughakshay16: great!
[14:51:56] <chughakshay16>	 sumanah : and they are asking me to publish my SSH key ,, but i dont have any
[14:52:02] <Reedy>	 Create one :)
[14:52:03] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) generateSitemap should not generate maps for disabled namespaces - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35558  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[14:52:08] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Hashar; "(bug 35541) ns gender aliases for Croatian (hr)" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3859
[14:52:14] <chughakshay16>	 sumanah : i dont have much experience with git ..
[14:52:38] <chughakshay16>	 sumanah : some time back i set up an account with git ...
[14:52:39] <sumanah>	 !git | chughakshay16 
[14:52:39] <mw-bot>	 chughakshay16: MediaWiki development is using git, a distributed source control manager, starting on March 21st, 2012; details: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Git_happens Instructions for using it: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Git/Workflow  To get an account: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Project:Labsconsole_accounts
[14:52:53] <sumanah>	 chughakshay16: anyone can create an SSH key.
[14:52:58] <rillke>	 energypedia: 1) mw.util.addPortletLink 2) onclick: $('table.class').html() 3) http://www.electrictoolbox.com/write-content-dynamic-javascript-popup/ 4) include some js code that automatically runs window.print() in the popup window
[14:53:13] <chughakshay16>	 sumanah : but i already have an account at git ... which i created myself
[14:53:18] <sumanah>	 chughakshay16: you shall learn git.  Any developer can.
[14:53:46] <sumanah>	 chughakshay16: When you say "an account at git" that is ambiguous -- do you mean a Gerrit.wikimedia.org account, a GitHub account, or something else?
[14:53:54] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Hashar; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3859
[14:53:57] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Hashar; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3859
[14:54:01] <chughakshay16>	 sumanah : a gtihub account..
[14:54:15] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) [jquery.byteLimit] selected text is not replaceable by a single character when byte limit is reached - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35560  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[14:54:56] <chughakshay16>	 sumanah : honestly i dont understand the process that i am asked to do at wikimedia labs..
[14:55:00] <hashar>	 Reedy: yeah mediawiki has some sort of converter for mysql -> sqlite processing
[14:55:05] <chughakshay16>	 sumanah : :|
[14:55:13] <hashar>	 Reedy: it does not catch all possibilities though
[14:55:16] <Reedy>	 lol
[14:55:25] <sumanah>	 chughakshay16: OK. So it sounds like you are confused because (a) you were confusing a GitHub account with a Gerrit.wikimedia.org account, (b) you don't know how to use Git, (c) you don't know how to create and publish an ssh key, and (d) you don't know how to get started with Wikimedia Labs
[14:55:30] <Reedy>	 We should probably delete any files named the same and exact the same content
[14:55:31] <sumanah>	 chughakshay16: is that correct?
[14:55:32] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) @import styles broken in <skin>.css in user and site modules - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35562  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[14:55:32] <hashar>	 Reedy: anyway, that was something I completely forgot to test ;-D
[14:55:37] <Reedy>	 heh
[14:55:44] <drdee>	 Roan, Tim: 3 hours in office that was true, but most time was fixing git :) there was actually one error were the code was hot handling properly log lines with more than 14 fields, that was causing a segfault, so the actually fix took 20 minutes
[14:56:05] <energypedia>	 thanks rillke
[14:56:08] <Reedy>	 hashar: we can blame MaxSem for vodoo
[14:56:22] <chughakshay16>	 sumanah : i know some useful commands for git.. which i used to set up my repository
[14:56:26] <Reedy>	 voodoo?
[14:56:27] * Reedy  shrugs

[14:56:42] <hashar>	 drdee: Tim is sleeping. It is currently 2am on Australia east coast :-D
[14:56:54] <chughakshay16>	 sumanah : and yes i am confused with all the steps stated in order to get complete access to wikimedia account
[14:57:28] <drdee>	 I know, but Roan is not and there was some conversation ^^^^^^^ about me, so i wanted to add some context :)
[14:57:55] <RoanKattouw>	 Yeah that's right, we spent most of the time messing with git
[14:57:57] <chughakshay16>	 sumanah : let me put it this way.. if i already have an account at git why do i need to set a different one for wikimedia labs.. ?
[14:58:00] <sumanah>	 chughakshay16: "wikimedia account" is ambiguous
[14:58:03] <RoanKattouw>	 I'd forgotten about that
[14:58:06] <sumanah>	 chughakshay16: please stop saying "an account at Git"
[14:58:13] <sumanah>	 chughakshay16: "an account at Git" has no meaning
[14:58:27] <chughakshay16>	 sumanah : sorry ! an account at github...
[14:58:53] <sumanah>	 chughakshay16: Git is the name of a source control system.  Anyone can install it.  That's like saying "an account at a wiki somewhere"
[14:59:18] <chughakshay16>	 sumanah : yes i have already installed it on my system
[14:59:29] <sumanah>	 chughakshay16: So you understand why you've been talking nonsense? :-)
[14:59:53] <chughakshay16>	 sumanah : it may seem trivial to u.. but it makes no sense to me :|
[14:59:59] <sumanah>	 chughakshay16: Wikimedia is now managing most of its development using ITS OWN INSTALLATION of Git, which you can access via your new account that connects to gerrit.wikimedia.org and labsconsole.wikimedia.org
[15:00:24] <sumanah>	 chughakshay16: have you read https://labsconsole.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Access#Initial_log_in ?
[15:00:42] <sumanah>	 chughakshay16: would you expect that your Facebook login would work on GMail?
[15:00:46] <chughakshay16>	 sumanah : yeah thats what got me confused in the first place ..:|
[15:01:03] <sumanah>	 chughakshay16: GitHub and Gerrit are two different sites, don't expect that your login will work in both
[15:01:36] <chughakshay16>	 sumanah : so where does the code reside ?..at gerrit i am assuming
[15:01:37] <RoanKattouw>	 drdee: Would you happen to have someone on your team (Dave maybe?) who knows C better? Nothing to your discredit but you still don't seem to grok pointers and strings very well and it's kind of frustrating reviewing and debugging the result sometimes
[15:01:40] <sumanah>	 chughakshay16: so, go to labsconsole.wikimedia.org and log in with the username Chughakshay16 
[15:02:03] <chughakshay16>	 sumanah : done
[15:02:04] <sumanah>	 chughakshay16: this is a little complicated (where does the code reside)  because we are still in transition
[15:03:32] <chughakshay16>	 sumanah : a simple question -why would anyone want to get access to gerrit.wikimedia.org ?.., so that he/she could download the code from there...
[15:03:38] <sumanah>	 chughakshay16: ok. now, generate an SSH key. I'm  not going to hold your hand through that process -- just use ssh-keygen https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ssh-keygen  or puttygen http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/download.html 
[15:04:02] <sumanah>	 chughakshay16: Gerrit access is how you would upload code or comment on it or review it.
[15:04:04] <gerrit-wm>	 Change abandoned: Hashar; "Please merge all 4 changes concerning bug 30963 as only one commit. You" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3763
[15:04:11] <sumanah>	 chughakshay16: For Wikimedia projects such as MediaWiki.
[15:04:11] <gerrit-wm>	 Change abandoned: Hashar; "Please merge all 4 changes concerning bug 30963 as only one commit. You" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3764
[15:04:16] <gerrit-wm>	 Change abandoned: Hashar; "Please merge all 4 changes concerning bug 30963 as only one commit. You" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3761
[15:04:21] <sumanah>	 chughakshay16: Gerrit is the name of the code review tool.
[15:04:21] <gerrit-wm>	 Change abandoned: Hashar; "Please merge all 4 changes concerning bug 30963 as only one commit. You" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3762
[15:04:23] <chughakshay16>	 sumanah : yeah i get that part..
[15:04:33] <sumanah>	 chughakshay16: I really think you would benefit from reading https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Git/Workflow
[15:04:43] <sumanah>	 chughakshay16: go read that and only then start asking more questions, ok?
[15:05:00] <chughakshay16>	 sumanah : okay , sorry for the trouble !
[15:05:07] <sumanah>	 chughakshay16: I'm happy to answer questions 
[15:05:13] <sumanah>	 chughakshay16: and I know this is confusing
[15:05:26] <sumanah>	 chughakshay16: that is why we wrote documents, so we would not have to answer the same questions over and over :-)
[15:05:46] <drdee>	 is there way that RT emails me when a ticket changes?
[15:05:46] <chughakshay16>	 sumanah : okay i am going through that document
[15:05:49] <sumanah>	 good.
[15:06:56] <Reedy>	 drdee: I think RT just does what it wants
[15:07:29] <drdee>	 :)
[15:08:06] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Hashar; "Looks fine to me. Lets ask Niklas  :-D" [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3852
[15:15:37] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) CLI-installer generates globally-readable LocalSettings.php - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34945  -upstream ; +comment (10Antoine "hashar" Musso)
[15:15:42] <chughakshay16>	 sumanah : if I am not wrong then the SSH key which i already have from before is the one that i need to submit to  https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/... right ?
[15:16:52] <wikibugs>	 03(WONTFIX) http://static.wikipedia.org has two sections Download and Browse. Please delete Browse section because their links are broken, or update it. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34767  +comment (10Antoine "hashar" Musso)
[15:23:14] <sumanah>	 chughakshay16: how many SSH keys do you have?
[15:23:28] <chughakshay16>	 sumanah : only one as of now
[15:23:30] <sumanah>	 chughakshay16: you can use any SSH key you want, as long as you have the ability to use it
[15:23:42] <chughakshay16>	 sumanah : okay
[15:23:59] <sumanah>	 chughakshay16: also I believe the public key (the version you paste in) should be in the openssh format (not SSH2 format),
[15:24:14] <sumanah>	 it will look like:
[15:24:14] <sumanah>	 ssh-rsa AAAB3NzaC1yc2EAAAAB3FWqgypbL ... Lgfel80W3Bm9sbb+5JcsHV comment...
[15:25:36] <sumanah>	 chugh_akshay16:  also I believe the public key (the version you paste in) should be in the openssh format (not SSH2 format).  It will look like:     ssh-rsa AAAB3NzaC1yc2EAAAAB3FWqgypbL ... Lgfel80W3Bm9sbb+5JcsHV comment...
[15:26:24] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) 404 Not Found "legal.html" on HTTP mirrors - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35564 minor; Datasets: General/Unknown; (krinklemail)
[15:26:44] <Ulfr>	 Hello all, I'm using collapsible div layers on my wiki, and I was wondering if there was any way to display teaser content while collapsed and full content when exanded
[15:28:16] <Platonides>	 sumanah, were you able to sync files?
[15:28:53] <chughakshay16>	 sumanah : sorry some connection problems
[15:29:08] <chughakshay16>	 sumanah : yeah i presume its the one which i pasted to github account
[15:33:13] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) 404 Not Found "legal.html" on dump mirrors - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35564  summary; +comment (10Krinkle)
[15:36:47] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Hashar; "(no comment)" [test/mediawiki/core] (master); V: 1 C: 1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3850
[15:38:32] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Nikerabbit; "Made JavaFFS more robust" [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3861
[15:38:53] <Nikerabbit>	 master?
[15:39:17] <Nikerabbit>	 hmph
[15:39:46] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: au; "* Get parser tests from GitWeb, not Subversion." [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3862
[15:39:47] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) JavaFFS and SimpleFFS should handle escaped delimiters in message keys - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31300  +comment (10Niklas Laxström)
[15:41:07] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Nikerabbit; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3852
[15:41:09] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Nikerabbit; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3852
[15:41:33] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Catrope; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3862
[15:41:35] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Catrope; [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3862
[15:42:16] <codurr>	 New code comment: Nikerabbit; And associate the follow-up :); <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/114549#c32562>
[15:42:25] <sumanah>	 Platonides: hi, I'm sorry, I don't understand - sync files between what?
[15:42:30] * sumanah  has lost context

[15:42:52] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Catrope; "BTW, I've added you to the VisualEditor Team group, so you are now a trusted reviewer for the Visual..." [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3862
[15:42:57] <potter>	 sumanah: should i make my proposal visible in public on google-melange ?
[15:43:04] <sumanah>	 potter: sure, why not
[15:43:27] <potter>	 sumanah: done :)
[15:44:01] <sumanah>	 RoanKattouw: hey, re https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#change,3862 -- I kind of want people to go through a somewhat more consistent process when being added to project owner-type groups
[15:44:01] <codurr>	 New code comment: Jeroen De Dauw; And don't forget to enjoy the easiness of it all, before you have to switch to gerrit o_O; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/114549#c32563>
[15:44:33] <sumanah>	 RoanKattouw: I don't want yet another "backdoor for some people, hella slow 3rd-class system for others" situation
[15:44:34] <RoanKattouw>	 sumanah: She's a WMF contractor working on the VisualEditor project. I was just gonna put the entire team in that group but they didn't all create Gerrit accounts at the same time
[15:44:39] <sumanah>	 RoanKattouw: still
[15:44:50] <RoanKattouw>	 OK, the 3rd class vs 1st class thing makes sense
[15:44:55] <potter>	 sumanah: to told me to write a special page yesterday. I am writing a Specialpage which counts number occurence of a given word, in a given page.
[15:45:07] <RoanKattouw>	 But it's really just the same thing as you did with the initial set of core reviewrs
[15:45:10] <potter>	 sumanah: then i plan to extend it to multiple pages and plot graph
[15:45:16] <RoanKattouw>	 Just formalizing an existing status quo
[15:45:22] <sumanah>	 RoanKattouw: did you email the other project owners to check whether there were any vetoes?
[15:45:37] <sumanah>	 RoanKattouw: because that's the system -- poll the other project owners, get at least 1 ok (you) and 0 vetoes
[15:46:18] <RoanKattouw>	 sumanah: I didn't but I would be extremely surprised, since we work with her and pay her to be on our team
[15:46:23] <sumanah>	 RoanKattouw: I know.
[15:46:29] <RoanKattouw>	 Noted that I should do so in the future
[15:46:32] <sumanah>	 RoanKattouw: Thank you
[15:46:32] <RoanKattouw>	 I'll take any heat for this one
[15:46:48] <sumanah>	 RoanKattouw: yes, remember, adding someone to a project owner group now basically means deploy-level access
[15:47:02] <RoanKattouw>	 And I now suddenly recall that we discussed the no-veto or at-least-N-approvals process for adding reviewers
[15:47:03] <sumanah>	 RoanKattouw: (if it's an ext to be deployed on WMF sites_
[15:47:03] <sumanah>	 )
[15:47:30] <RoanKattouw>	 Yes, that is an excellent point
[15:47:41] <RoanKattouw>	 Which is why I didn't give the OmniTI people ownership of their extension
[15:47:57] <RoanKattouw>	 But VisualEditor has been in deployment freeze for three months and I'll need it to stay that way for three more
[15:48:28] <sumanah>	 Thanks. Yeah, we need an auditable trail of people getting Gerrit project ownership, which is why https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Git/Gerrit_project_ownership is something I need to get cracking on today, circulating and asking for feedback
[15:50:45] <sumanah>	 incidentally I am coworking today at 10gen's offices (they make MongoDB)
[15:50:53] <RoanKattouw>	 sumanah: If I have opinions on those requests, should I put them on that page?
[15:50:54] <sumanah>	 They have multiple conferences per month all over the world
[15:51:00] <sumanah>	 RoanKattouw: sure, go ahead
[15:51:32] <sumanah>	 RoanKattouw: I have underdeveloped the system around this -- I could justify this with BS about "desire paths" or "JIT" but the truth is that I just haven't designed and laid down the law yet
[15:52:00] <RoanKattouw>	 That's perfectly reasonable
[15:52:24] <RoanKattouw>	 As long as you understand that without law there will be ... lawlessness
[15:53:18] <sumanah>	 Are you a movie trailer voice now?
[15:53:25] <RoanKattouw>	 and people will pull cowboy shit, like I did with the VE people
[15:53:34] <sumanah>	 Yes, which is why I need to jump on it ASAP
[15:53:35] <RoanKattouw>	 hehe no, but that's a much better interpretation than what I had in mind
[15:54:02] <sumanah>	 I guess I had hoped people would actually read my five-gig WHAT WE SHOULD DO NOW email re Gerrit project owners
[15:54:10] <sumanah>	 btw RoanKattouw just 2 more days to submit your OSB proposal
[15:54:22] <RoanKattouw>	 Yeah, I know
[15:54:25] <RoanKattouw>	 Should do that today or tomorrow
[15:54:40] <RoanKattouw>	 I read that but I might've forgotten the relevant parts
[15:54:57] <sumanah>	 also RoanKattouw we're talking about sponsoring a little hacking corner in the hackspace at OSB + some tutorials during their unconference day -- would you be interested in leading a tutorial? like on using the web API, maybe? good audience for it
[15:54:57] <RoanKattouw>	 That and I saw nothing wrong with porting existing status quos from SVN
[15:55:06] <RoanKattouw>	 For sure
[15:55:09] <sumanah>	 great
[15:55:56] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Greg Sabino Mullane; "Yes, that abstract schema would be nice, although tricky. I may tackle it if I get some free cycles...." [mediawiki/core] (master) C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3699
[15:58:45] <G_SabinoMullane>	 What exactly is the "Diff All Side-by-Side" button supposed to do? Does not seem to be working for me: calls up a new tab with only the commit message "diffed"
[15:59:14] <RoanKattouw>	 G_SabinoMullane: It should open a tab for each file
[15:59:53] <G_SabinoMullane>	 Hm....nope. And presumably clicking on the name of a file should open a new tab?
[16:00:24] <RoanKattouw>	 No, click on Unified on the right side of the file
[16:00:31] <RoanKattouw>	 That opens in the same tab unless you middle click
[16:00:39] <RoanKattouw>	 There are also navigation links at the bottom of the diff view
[16:00:43] <RoanKattouw>	 (and yes, this UI kind of sucks, we know)
[16:00:45] <G_SabinoMullane>	 Same thing..nothing happens. May be my browser (Opera). It can be picky.
[16:00:52] <G_SabinoMullane>	 afk
[16:01:36] <RoanKattouw>	 sumanah: https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Git%2FGerrit_project_ownership&diff=516839&oldid=516583
[16:02:00] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Raimond Spekking; "And should be deployed to 1.19wmf. Broken message shown on WMF projects. How to tag this within Gerr..." [mediawiki/extensions/AbuseFilter] (master) C: 1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3843
[16:02:01] <codurr>	 New code comment: Nikerabbit; Tabs!; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/114552#c32564>
[16:02:55] <IWorld>	 where is the code for "(diff | history)" in the watchlist?
[16:03:01] <codurr>	 New code comment: Nikerabbit; And tabs. Please configure your editor to use tabs :); <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/114554#c32565>
[16:04:37] <sumanah>	 thank you RoanKattouw 
[16:06:26] <sumanah>	 IWorld: you could try using ack to search the codebase
[16:06:40] <sumanah>	 IWorld: https://github.com/petdance/ack
[16:06:48] <sumanah>	 hi potter 
[16:06:54] <alester>	 http://betterthangrep.com/ is a better source.
[16:07:00] <potter>	 Hi
[16:07:04] <potter>	 hi sumanah
[16:07:05] <Amgine>	 bah. Have to do some skin poking. What's the easiest way to get page title and namespace?
[16:07:13] <sumanah>	 potter: you wanted to know how to improve your chances for GSoC
[16:07:17] <sumanah>	 back in a moment :-/
[16:07:19] <potter>	 yes
[16:07:26] <potter>	 sumanah: ok
[16:09:24] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Nikerabbit; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3853
[16:09:26] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Nikerabbit; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3853
[16:10:40] <sumanah>	 potter: ok, I'm back
[16:11:00] <potter>	 sumanah: i am listening :)
[16:11:23] <sumanah>	 potter: fix more bugs, show good coding style, learn to review code, and find a mentor
[16:11:35] <sumanah>	 potter: do you follow the wikitech-l mailing list?
[16:11:36] <alester>	 sumanah: I do appreciate plugging ack. :-)
[16:12:06] <sumanah>	 alester: :-)
[16:12:14] <sumanah>	 potter: see the most recent message "Re: [Wikitech-l] GSOC Proposal: Watchlist Improvements"
[16:12:14] <potter>	 sumanah: i have it subcribed, but i follow very few of them
[16:12:37] <sumanah>	 potter: being part of the MediaWiki community means keeping up on our most important communications channels and MediaWiki's mailing list is one of those
[16:13:06] <alester>	 Send 'em to betterthangrep.com, though.  It's got multiple install options, and the URL is easier to rememebr.
[16:13:55] <sumanah>	 got it, alester 
[16:14:18] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) [Regression] Special:Log/patrol doesn't show "(automatic)" for autopatrols anymore - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35565 normal; MediaWiki: Logging; (krinklemail)
[16:14:39] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) [Regression] Special:Log/patrol doesn't show "(automatic)" for autopatrols anymore - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35565  normal->major (10Krinkle)
[16:14:55] <Sid-G>	 Does anyone know if werdna ever comes to IRC?
[16:15:12] <sumanah>	 yes he does Sid-G 
[16:15:16] <sumanah>	 Sid-G: he is in Australia
[16:15:34] <hashar>	 !seen werdna
[16:15:34] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Put the name of the instance in the Labs configure instance screen - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35566 enhancement; MediaWiki extensions: OpenStackManager; (bhartshorne)
[16:15:39] <Sid-G>	 sumanah:He's been idle 63 hrs!
[16:15:42] <sumanah>	 Sid-G: if you are trying to contact him, you could try (a) his talk page (b) emailing wikitech-l which he is on
[16:15:47] <hashar>	 no bot :-D
[16:15:58] <sumanah>	 Sid-G: yes. are you ever away from the internet for 3 days at a time? sometimes people do that
[16:16:10] <Sid-G>	 sumanah:I'll try the talkpage, thanks
[16:16:14] <Sid-G>	 sumanah:really o.o
[16:16:31] <sumanah>	 Sid-G: he's also a college student so sometimes he has other responsibilities
[16:16:40] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Password reminder contains untranslated phrases - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35567 normal; MediaWiki: Email; (raimond.spekking)
[16:16:43] <sumanah>	 remember, there are very few people who live and breathe MediaWiki every waking moment.
[16:16:52] <jeblad>	 Someone should write an article about the irc magnetism phenomenon
[16:17:04] <jeblad>	 Some people can't leave irc..
[16:17:06] <potter>	 sumanah: : sorry again
[16:17:28] * jeblad  kicks his own ass out in the sun

[16:18:35] * sumanah  goes to eat

[16:20:09] <potter>	 !database examples
[16:20:09] <mw-bot>	 I don't know anything about "database". You might try: !adminsettings !api !backup !deleteuser !farm !multiplewiki !mysql !passwordsql !phpmyadmin !readonly !schema !sharedlogins !toolserver !update.php !wiki 
[16:21:31] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Emoji characters not included in pdf - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35568 normal; MediaWiki: Export/Import; (given_1950)
[16:21:59] <Sid-G>	 !schema
[16:22:00] <mw-bot>	 http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Database_layout
[16:24:31] <codurr>	 New code comment: Netbrain; ah lol.. thanks guys ;); <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/114549#c32566>
[16:25:56] <Amgine>	 Dantman: I'm stumped looking for the full page title inside the skin. Can you point me at the clearly obvious documentation I'm failing to find?
[16:26:48] <RoanKattouw>	 Amgine: Probably something like $skin->getTitle()->getPrefixedText() ?
[16:26:49] <potter>	 What is the best way to get the wikitext of a page, given the page id
[16:27:06] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Emoji characters not included in pdf - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35568   +i18n (10Santhosh Thottingal)
[16:27:52] <Amgine>	 RoanKattouw: Probably. <tries>
[16:28:38] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Catrope; "Hook into attemptSave instead of articleSave" [mediawiki/extensions/ClickTracking] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3863
[16:29:09] <potter>	 RoanKattouw: can you help me out ? :)
[16:29:15] <RoanKattouw>	 potter: Sure
[16:29:23] <RoanKattouw>	 You need a Title object first: $title = Title::newFromID( $id );
[16:29:33] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Problems with UploadWizard stash moving to the target - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35354  +comment (10Marco)
[16:29:35] <potter>	 RoanKattouw: ok
[16:30:23] <RoanKattouw>	 Then a Revision object: $rev = Revision::newFromTitle( $title );
[16:30:43] <Dantman>	 Amgine: What's your intent?
[16:30:56] <potter>	 RoanKattouw: ok
[16:31:08] <RoanKattouw>	 Then get the text with $text = $rev->revText();
[16:31:28] <potter>	 RoanKattouw: oh, i was breaking my head with the database :D
[16:31:33] <potter>	 RoanKattouw: thanks a lot
[16:31:39] <potter>	 RoanKattouw: :0
[16:31:42] <potter>	 RoanKattouw: :)
[16:31:58] <Amgine>	 Dantman: I need to add the page url to a link query: ?url=$fullpageurlencoded
[16:32:20] <Dantman>	 Ah...
[16:32:39] <Dantman>	 How about $this->getSkin()->getTitle()->getFullURL()?
[16:33:07] <Dantman>	 Unless you want [[Foo]] while on [[Special:MovePage/Foo]]
[16:33:32] <Amgine>	 Because that would be magik? <tries that> This is for a social networking 'share' button.
[16:34:24] <Sid-G>	 Amgine:The AddThis extension?
[16:35:04] <Amgine>	 Sid-G: No, custom skin.
[16:35:33] <Sid-G>	 ah
[16:37:30] <sumanah>	 Argh, there is some food that is like subtraction stew from The Phantom Tollbooth.  I eat it and it makes me hungrier!
[16:38:39] <Sid-G>	 YuviPanda :D
[16:38:58] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Catrope; "Do not mute the edit CTA" [mediawiki/extensions/ArticleFeedback] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3864
[16:42:02] <YuviPand_>	 Sid-G: :)
[16:50:28] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Hashar; "some inline messages :-)" [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3824
[16:52:37] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) A button on the page to toggle hidden categories - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/21119  +comment (10Sumana Harihareswara)
[16:55:30] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Hashar; "Looks good though I have not tested the change." [mediawiki/extensions/ClickTracking] (master); V: 0 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3863
[16:55:40] <G_SabinoMullane>	 Can someone test this on their browser: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#patch,sidebyside,3365,1,/COMMIT_MSG
[16:55:52] <G_SabinoMullane>	 What happens when you click the DatabasePostgres.php=> link?
[16:56:10] <G_SabinoMullane>	 Because nothing happens here at all :)
[16:57:03] <codurr>	 03catrope * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/114557> 10/branches/wmf/1.19wmf1/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5/ (4 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed)
[16:57:03] <codurr>	 1.19wmf1: Apply changes from Gerrit:
[16:57:03] <codurr>	 https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#change,3420
[16:57:03] <codurr>	 https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#change,3421
[16:57:04] <codurr>	 https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#change,3422
[16:57:05] <codurr>	 https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#change,3501
[16:57:06] <codurr>	 https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#change,3817
[16:57:09] <sumanah>	 Amgine: well, we've gotten the word out a bit re the beta of the Android app https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mobile_Projects/WiktionaryMobileAndroidFeedback
[16:57:40] <Amgine>	 <looks>
[16:57:44] <sumanah>	 Amgine: http://www.icerocket.com/search?tab=twitter&lng=&q=wiktionary+app&x=0&y=0
[16:57:46] <hashar>	 I will be back later tonight
[16:58:08] <sumanah>	 bye hashar - how are Jenkins things going?
[16:58:18] <hashar>	 sumanah: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Git/Commit_message_guidelines
[16:58:24] <hashar>	 sumanah: been busy with git / review again 
[16:58:36] <sumanah>	 yes, thank you for the commit guidelines doc, hashar 
[16:58:39] <Amgine>	 <waves>
[16:58:47] <hashar>	 sumanah: willing to ensure a smooth move to git and had to prepare tonight git bugs triage
[16:58:55] <sumanah>	 nod
[16:59:07] <Amgine>	 Thanks sumanah! excellent spreading the word.
[16:59:15] <sumanah>	 :-)
[16:59:17] <hashar>	 sumanah: so nothing really happened on jenkins front though I had ops to work for me :-D
[16:59:25] <hashar>	 hacker room closing. will be back later!
[17:02:57] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Robmoen; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/AbuseFilter] (master) C: 1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3843
[17:06:31] <codurr>	 New code comment: Daniel Kinzler (WMDE); uh, i thought i did? sorry, i'll check again; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/114554#c32567>
[17:07:51] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Robmoen; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/ArticleFeedback] (master) C: 1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3864
[17:08:21] <sumanah>	 hi there hexmode 
[17:08:56] <hexmode>	 sumanah: !
[17:09:31] <hexmode>	 Trevor, Krinkle and Roan are discussing #34885 right now in -dev
[17:09:50] <sumanah>	 hexmode: so today it's Ian, Niklas, and sort of Roan?
[17:09:51] <Krinkle>	 actually we're in #mw-bug-34885
[17:09:55] <sumanah>	 !b 34885
[17:09:55] <mw-bot>	 https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=34885
[17:10:07] <sumanah>	 you're serious!
[17:10:19] <hexmode>	 heh
[17:10:25] <sumanah>	 I presume this is very high priority?
[17:10:38] <hexmode>	 it is a 1.19 tarball blocker
[17:10:47] <hexmode>	 trevor has done some work on it
[17:11:00] <hexmode>	 and he wants some review
[17:11:11] <hexmode>	 but other than that....
[17:11:18] <sumanah>	 got it
[17:11:30] <hexmode>	 Nikerabbit will be in the git review meeting...
[17:11:41] <RoanKattouw>	 sumanah: No, not me
[17:11:46] <hexmode>	 so Ian.
[17:11:49] <ashwini>	 <sumanah>i again did the same mistake.please correct it.now understood. 
[17:11:53] <sumanah>	 hexmode: I see that https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=35517 is highest priority but not assigned to anyone.  Nikerabbit who can do this task?
[17:12:22] <sumanah>	 ashwini: do you know how to undo a change in a wiki page?
[17:12:25] <ashwini>	 <sumanah>regarding GSOC template.
[17:12:30] <sumanah>	 ashwini: you can revert it yourself.
[17:12:43] <sumanah>	 ashwini: Go to the page's History tab, look at the most recent revision, and click the undo link.
[17:13:08] <sumanah>	 ashwini: also there's no way you can do all 4 of those things in 6 weeks.
[17:13:09] <Anahuyu>	 Anyone seen Yaron?
[17:13:31] <hexmode>	 RoanKattouw should handle #35517, I think
[17:13:35] <hexmode>	 gonna assign him
[17:13:40] <RoanKattouw>	 bug 35517
[17:13:58] <sumanah>	 how urgent is it? 
[17:14:02] <hexmode>	 refers to this changeset https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#change,3320
[17:14:02] <ashwini>	 <sumanah>yep got it.doing undo.thanks
[17:14:09] <RoanKattouw>	 hexmode: That's not my code, it's Aarons
[17:14:14] <RoanKattouw>	 Look at "Author", not "Committer"
[17:14:26] <hexmode>	 ah
[17:14:27] <RoanKattouw>	 It shows me as the committer because this is one of the ~100 changes I migrated from SVN to gerrit
[17:14:28] <hexmode>	 yeah
[17:14:33] <hexmode>	 ok
[17:14:41] <Anahuyu>	 Well, it seems my site was downgraded...
[17:15:36] <ashwini>	 <sumanah>its easy..
[17:16:11] <sumanah>	 ashwini: Can you show proof that you have done similar things within 6 weeks in the past?
[17:16:48] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Add message documentation for messages added in gerrit ref 3320 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35517  +comment (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[17:17:48] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Catrope; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/ClickTracking] (master); V: 1 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3863
[17:17:51] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Catrope; [mediawiki/extensions/ClickTracking] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3863
[17:18:46] <sumanah>	 ashwini: this is the level of GSoC application you are competing with: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Jarry1250/GSoC_2012_application
[17:19:02] <RoanKattouw>	 Oooh, is Harry applying?
[17:19:03] * RoanKattouw  looks

[17:19:11] <sumanah>	 yes
[17:19:24] <sumanah>	 RoanKattouw: also applying: https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:SPQRobin/GSoC
[17:19:58] <RoanKattouw>	 Yeah I saw that one
[17:20:06] <ashwini>	 <sumanah>yes, i did  its on my college wiki website.I am one of mainter check out " http://wiki.sdrclabs.in/wiki/Main_Page"
[17:20:19] <sumanah>	 RoanKattouw: I don't think either of them has a set mentor right now, could be wrong
[17:20:56] <salquint>	 Has anyone gotten SSO working with windows credentials using something besides Plexcel?
[17:21:01] <sumanah>	 (argh lag)
[17:21:35] <IWorld>	 How I can find code (full text search)?
[17:22:15] <RoanKattouw>	 sumanah: What's the timeframe for picking GSoC projects and assigning mentors? Does it coincide with Berlin this year?
[17:25:01] <sumanah>	 ashwini: In your GSoC application you will need to link to the code you have written, and explain how long it took you to write, and provide a reasonable scope and schedule for what you aim to do during the summer
[17:25:05] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Krinkle; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/ArticleFeedback] (master) C: 1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3864
[17:25:42] <sumanah>	 RoanKattouw: Announcement of accepted students: April 23 ... we pick the students a few days before that, https://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/events/google/gsoc2012
[17:25:58] <codurr>	 03catrope * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/114558> 10/branches/wmf/1.19wmf1/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5/modules/jquery.articleFeedbackv5/images/ (tab_x_off.png tab_x_on.png): 1.19wmf1: Add image changes I forgot in r114557
[17:26:23] <sumanah>	 IWorld: are you looking for the MediaWiki codebase?
[17:26:34] <RoanKattouw>	 sumanah: Right, bonding period is in May, so obviously it's not during Berlin. It was in 2009 and that was awesome
[17:26:43] <sumanah>	 IWorld: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Git clone the repository with Git.
[17:27:03] <IWorld>	 sumanah: I have cloned the repo
[17:27:09] <sumanah>	 RoanKattouw: did Zhe and Gerardo come to Berlin in 2009?
[17:27:10] <IWorld>	 or codebase
[17:27:27] <sumanah>	 IWorld: what are you trying to do?  you are trying to do a fulltext search of the codebase? We suggest you use ack.
[17:27:36] <ashwini>	 <sumanah>ok . it will be fine if i give link to my git repository.working on it editing schedule and Aim too.
[17:27:43] <RoanKattouw>	 sumanah: No, we selected the students and assigned mentors during the hackathon
[17:27:45] <IWorld>	 sumanah: how I can use ack?
[17:28:05] <sumanah>	 IWorld: have you ever heard of something called Google? :-)
[17:28:12] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) Moving sha1 into revision tag in XML dumps - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34963  +comment (10Aaron Schulz)
[17:28:14] <sumanah>	 !lmgtfy ack
[17:28:14] <mw-bot>	 http://lmgtfy.com/?q=ack
[17:28:28] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Catrope; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/LiquidThreads] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3860
[17:28:30] <sumanah>	 !ack | IWorld 
[17:28:30] <mw-bot>	 IWorld: Try ack instead of grep; it's mostly the same syntax as grep, but much faster. http://betterthangrep.com/
[17:28:30] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Catrope; [mediawiki/extensions/LiquidThreads] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3860
[17:28:39] <IWorld>	 sumanah: hmm. I think yes. ;)
[17:28:51] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Noke E63 can't expand sections on mobile - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35569 normal; Wikimedia Mobile: devices; (tfinc)
[17:29:13] <sumanah>	 RoanKattouw: I gotta head off (meeting) but if you have any specific suggestions re the proposals that have already been put forth on wikitech-l or on https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Summer_of_Code_2012 then please feel free
[17:29:38] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Images with wrong SHA1 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/17057  +comment (10Aaron Schulz)
[17:30:27] <RoanKattouw>	 sumanah: I wish I did, I haven't had time to look at them in detail
[17:31:05] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Catrope; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/ArticleFeedback] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3864
[17:31:07] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Catrope; [mediawiki/extensions/ArticleFeedback] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3864
[17:31:18] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) [Regression] RTL with IE-7 (or IE 8/9 in "compatability mode") does not show any toolbar - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34885  (10Krinkle)
[17:32:37] <codurr>	 03catrope * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/114559> 10/branches/wmf/1.19wmf1/extensions/ArticleFeedback/modules/ext.articleFeedback/ext.articleFeedback.js: 1.19wmf1: Merge https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3864
[17:32:52] <IWorld>	 so, I want to search "(diff | hist)" from the watchlist...
[17:33:10] <RoanKattouw>	 Probably somewhere in includes/special/SpecialWatchlist.php
[17:34:03] <IWorld>	 How MediaWiki calls an message?
[17:34:07] <IWorld>	 *a
[17:35:15] <sumanah>	 AaronSchulz: I'm updating the engineering roadmap.  Right now you're listed as being on "Continue deployment/bugfixing work on thumbnails" -- that is still on your plate and continuing through April, right?
[17:35:50] <codurr>	 03catrope * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/114560> 10/branches/wmf/1.19wmf1/extensions/ClickTracking/ (ClickTracking.hooks.php ClickTracking.php): 1.19wmf1: Merge https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3755 and https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3863
[17:36:11] <AaronSchulz>	 I suppose
[17:36:17] <sumanah>	 ok, thanks AaronSchulz 
[17:38:07] <sumanah>	 and drdee - I'm updating the engineering roadmap. I see http://reportcard.wmflabs.org/reportCard is temporarily down ... what's the status on that? still aiming on at the same early April goal? http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/analytics/2012-March/000003.html
[17:39:26] <drdee>	 sumanah: always aiming :)
[17:39:35] <drdee>	 thanks for alerting me
[17:39:39] <drdee>	 i'll have a look
[17:41:01] <codurr>	 03bsitu * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/114561> 10/trunk/extensions/PageTriage/includes/ArticleMetadata.php: remove an used function
[17:41:20] <drecodeam>	 sumanah: needed some help. I had committed a patch earlier, it had some issues. I have resolved the issues, now should i amend the change i had submitted ?
[17:41:50] <RoanKattouw>	 drecodeam: Yes you should. Do you know how to?
[17:42:15] <drecodeam>	 RoanKattouw: its there on this page : http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Git/Workflow#Easier_submission_of_code. Following that only 
[17:42:50] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jdlrobson; "redesign feedback form" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3869
[17:42:56] <IWorld>	 RoanKattouw: I can't see these links in SpecialWatchlist.php
[17:43:01] <sumanah>	 drdee: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Roadmap#Analytics mentions "log collection pipeline" -- is there some activity there now, or should I just move it to April?
[17:43:40] <RoanKattouw>	 drecodeam: If you have git-review installed you can just use git review -d 1234  (where 1234 is the four-digit number in the Gerrit URL) , make your changes , git commit --amend -a   , git review
[17:43:46] <RoanKattouw>	 drecodeam: Otherwise, follow the instructions at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Git/Workflow#Amend_your_change
[17:44:07] <RoanKattouw>	 IWorld: They'll be somewhere, but they're all generated from i18n messages. So you won't literally find "diff  | hist"
[17:44:29] <sumanah>	 IWorld: "i18n" = "internationalisation" - see https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Localisation
[17:44:44] <IWorld>	 RoanKattouw: I know, but I can search "addWikiMsg(" hist ")"
[17:45:18] <RoanKattouw>	 IWorld: It might not be using that, it might be using something different, like wfMessage( 'hist' ) or wfMsg( 'hist' )
[17:45:28] <RoanKattouw>	 Try searching for 'hist' (including the quoted)
[17:45:30] <RoanKattouw>	 *quotes
[17:46:04] <codurr>	 03jeroendedauw * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/114562> 10/trunk/extensions/EducationProgram/includes/EPCourse.php: fix message parse
[17:47:22] <codurr>	 03jeroendedauw * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/114563> 10/trunk/extensions/EducationProgram/maintenance/ (courses.sql students.sql universities.sql): rem obsolete files
[17:48:28] <IWorld>	 re
[17:50:09] <IWorld>	 I'm working on !b 4234
[17:50:12] <IWorld>	 sry
[17:50:15] <IWorld>	 !b 424
[17:50:15] <mw-bot>	 https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=424
[17:52:01] <sumanah>	 drdee: if you add some text to a new status update for the Report Card via https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Analytics/Reportcard then I will massage the prose :-)
[17:52:17] <sumanah>	 drdee: I'd also forward it to analytics-l
[17:52:56] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Make "bug 12345" clickable - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35570 normal; Wikimedia: Git/Gerrit; (raimond.spekking)
[17:53:55] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Drecodeam; "Added HTML5 drag and drop support" [mediawiki/extensions/UploadWizard] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3808
[17:55:43] <drecodeam>	 RoanKattouw: done. Thanks for the help 
[17:59:27] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: awjrichards; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3869
[17:59:29] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: awjrichards; [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3869
[18:01:30] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: awjrichards; "Revert "redesign feedback form", which was a test merge to see how merging from remote branches is handled" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3871
[18:02:36] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: awjrichards; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3871
[18:02:38] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: awjrichards; [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3871
[18:04:17] <codurr>	 03jeroendedauw * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/114564> 10/trunk/extensions/EducationProgram/specials/SpecialEducationProgram.php: fixed array issue
[18:06:10] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) multiple templates and mw templates - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35554  +comment (10John McClure)
[18:07:27] <awjr>	 is there a way we can use remote branches in git without having to go through gerrit? i've tried creating a remote branch for an extension so i could colalborate with someone on some big changes. however, we can't 'git push' to the remote branch, and 'git review' will cause the chagnes to be queued up to be merged back into master (rather than into our remote branch)
[18:07:50] <RoanKattouw>	 awjr: I proposed to implement exactly that project-wide
[18:07:55] <RoanKattouw>	 I've already done it for most of my projects
[18:08:16] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) generateSitemap should not generate maps for disabled namespaces - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35558  +comment (10Niklas Laxström)
[18:08:21] <awjr>	 RoanKattouw: ah ok. is that something ew can set up for MobileFrontend?
[18:08:24] <RoanKattouw>	 awjr: What's the project & branch name? I can set up a one-off for you
[18:08:34] <RoanKattouw>	 i.e. just for the one branch
[18:08:40] <awjr>	 RoanKattou: MobileFrontend - contact-us-redesign
[18:09:33] <RoanKattouw>	 OK thanks
[18:09:51] <awjr>	 so RoanKattouw we will be able to 'git push' to that remote branch?
[18:09:58] <RoanKattouw>	 Yes
[18:10:03] <awjr>	 we should *definitely* get this set up project wide
[18:10:09] <awjr>	 thanks for setting that up Roankattouw
[18:10:30] <sumanah>	 I agree awjr 
[18:10:38] <sumanah>	 as long as there is a record of the code in Gerrit
[18:10:45] <sumanah>	 so people can comment on it
[18:10:58] <sumanah>	 and so I can point to it
[18:11:02] <sumanah>	 "see? THAT commit"
[18:11:11] <RoanKattouw>	 sumanah: You can't get anything into master without there being a record of it. Although it may just be the merge commit
[18:11:25] <sumanah>	 awjr: you could do what l10n is doing, have a bot approve the merge automatically
[18:11:26] <RoanKattouw>	 awjr: OK try now
[18:11:51] <RoanKattouw>	 awjr: I'm not 100% sure I configured it correctly, it might fail
[18:11:52] <awjr>	 sumanah: but the merge in gerrit frmo a remote branch merges the changes into master, which is not what we want
[18:11:59] <awjr>	 RoanKattouw i will try
[18:12:17] <RoanKattouw>	 awjr: No, you can submit for review to a different branch by changing the "defaultbranch" setting in .gitreview
[18:12:41] <awjr>	 RoanKattouw: we want to commit to a remote branch without having to go through review
[18:12:45] <RoanKattouw>	 Yes
[18:12:49] <RoanKattouw>	 I just set that up to yuo
[18:12:53] <awjr>	 yes :)
[18:12:55] <RoanKattouw>	 I was just correcting what you said earlier :)
[18:13:05] <awjr>	 ah ok
[18:13:44] <awjr>	 so RoanKattouw: i should: git checkout --track origin/contact-us-redesign
[18:13:48] <awjr>	 to get that branch?
[18:14:02] <sumanah>	 awjr: I think it's better to commit to the remote branch while still putting it into Gerrit, but changing that branch's owners or approval model in Gerrit.... having any code in various branches in git but outside Gerrit kind of worries me
[18:14:24] <RoanKattouw>	 awjr: Oh wait, let me create it for you
[18:14:38] <awjr>	 RoanKattouw the remote branch already exists
[18:14:41] <RoanKattouw>	 Huh, it's already there
[18:14:42] <awjr>	 it just wasn't behaving the way we wanted
[18:14:50] <awjr>	 RoanKattouw i created it earlier
[18:14:51] <RoanKattouw>	 Oh OK
[18:15:29] <sumanah>	 the phrase "bypass review" kind of worries me... how are other people supposed to see what's happening in that branch and join in or fix things?
[18:15:44] <awjr>	 sumanah: we're not trying to bypass review
[18:16:03] <RoanKattouw>	 sumanah: Right now there are no e-mail notifications for direct pushes, that's something we need to fix
[18:16:05] <awjr>	 we want to create a remote branch where two or more of us can colalborate on some big feature development that we don't want merged into master until we're ready
[18:16:05] <sumanah>	 Roan used that phrase in a different email
[18:16:15] <awjr>	 but we need to be able to share our changes with eachother
[18:16:17] <RoanKattouw>	 You're right that it's less visible
[18:16:41] <sumanah>	 RoanKattouw: you used the phrase "bypass review" in an email I saw about this sort of thing, but maybe I misread?
[18:16:58] <RoanKattouw>	 No, you're right
[18:17:02] <RoanKattouw>	 It bypasses review *on that branch*
[18:17:20] <awjr>	 sumanah: once we get our feature where ew're ready to get it into master, we would then merge it back into a branch that's tracking master and push for review
[18:17:22] <sumanah>	 this kind of collaboration is going to be a major, substantive part of our workflow
[18:17:35] <codurr>	 03jeroendedauw * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/114565> 10/trunk/extensions/EducationProgram/ (2 files in 2 dirs): minor fix and docs++
[18:17:45] <RoanKattouw>	 awjr: I'm not familiar with --track but I know that git checkout -b contact-us-redesign origin/contact-us-redesign will work
[18:18:08] <awjr>	 RoanKattouw ok cool
[18:18:15] <sumanah>	 can't we just configure the branch so that it lets those n collaborators automatically merge whatever they want *into that branch*? and yet it still leaves a record in Gerrit?
[18:18:21] <awjr>	 RoanKattouw also i just saw https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#admin,project,mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend,access
[18:18:22] <RoanKattouw>	 Yes, we can
[18:18:27] <awjr>	 is that where i can do this on my own?
[18:18:29] <RoanKattouw>	 That's how Timo and I are doing it for RL2
[18:18:33] <awjr>	 i mean, set up this funky remote branch?
[18:18:33] <RoanKattouw>	 awjr: Yes
[18:18:35] <sumanah>	 like, auto +2 if it comes from Arthur or me, that sort of thing
[18:18:49] <RoanKattouw>	 sumanah: You can't auto +2 but you can give liberal +2 permissions on feature branches
[18:19:22] <sumanah>	 RoanKattouw: yeah, I know the way l10n is doing it is with a bot that approves everything that comes in with a +2
[18:19:29] <RoanKattouw>	 awjr: I've already set it up. Just check it out and try to push into it
[18:19:30] <sumanah>	 not really ideal
[18:19:31] <codurr>	 03jeroendedauw * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/114566> 10/trunk/extensions/EducationProgram/specials/SpecialEducationProgram.php: Follow up to r114564; also apply fix here
[18:19:59] <awjr>	 RoanKattouw: arbot_wiki:MobileFrontend awjrichards$ git branch
[18:19:59] <awjr>	 * contact-us-redesign
[18:19:59] <awjr>	   master
[18:19:59] <awjr>	 arbot_wiki:MobileFrontend awjrichards$ vi MobileFrontend.body.php 
[18:19:59] <awjr>	 arbot_wiki:MobileFrontend awjrichards$ git commit -am "Test change for remote branch"
[18:19:59] <awjr>	 [contact-us-redesign d0bbb49] Test change for remote branch
[18:19:59] <awjr>	  1 files changed, 1 insertions(+), 0 deletions(-)
[18:20:00] <awjr>	 arbot_wiki:MobileFrontend awjrichards$ git push
[18:20:00] <awjr>	 Counting objects: 5, done.
[18:20:01] <awjr>	 Delta compression using up to 2 threads.
[18:20:01] <awjr>	 Compressing objects: 100% (3/3), done.
[18:20:02] <awjr>	 Writing objects: 100% (3/3), 314 bytes, done.
[18:20:40] * RoanKattouw  sees success @ https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/gitweb?p=mediawiki%2Fextensions%2FMobileFrontend.git;a=shortlog;h=refs%2Fheads%2Fcontact-us-redesign

[18:20:46] <RoanKattouw>	 Yay!
[18:20:54] <awjr>	 RoanKattouw my git push failed though :(
[18:21:04] <awjr>	 To ssh://review/mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend.git
[18:21:05] <awjr>	    e6a2f6b..d0bbb49  contact-us-redesign -> contact-us-redesign
[18:21:05] <awjr>	  ! [rejected]        master -> master (non-fast-forward)
[18:21:38] <sumanah>	 biab
[18:22:18] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Create Slovenian Wikiversity - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35290  (10Casey Brown)
[18:22:47] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Aaron Schulz; "Please use a better name than ipb_cause, like ipb_parent_id or ipb_parent_block." [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3841
[18:23:46] <awjr>	 ah RoanKattouw i guess you need to specify exactly where to push for the remote branch:
[18:23:47] <awjr>	 arbot_wiki:MobileFrontend awjrichards$ git push origin contact-us-redesign
[18:23:47] <awjr>	 Everything up-to-date
[18:24:19] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) [Regression] RTL with IE-7 (or IE 8/9 in "compatability mode") does not show any toolbar - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34885  +comment (10Trevor Parscal)
[18:24:40] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) [Regression] RTL with IE-7 (or IE 8/9 in "compatability mode") does not show any toolbar - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34885  (10Trevor Parscal)
[18:25:00] <codurr>	 03jeroendedauw * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/114567> 10/trunk/extensions/EducationProgram/ (EducationProgram.settings.php includes/EPRoleObject.php): do not use real names after all
[18:40:37] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) http://static.wikipedia.org has two sections Download and Browse. Please delete Browse section because their links are broken, or update it. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34767  +comment (10T. Gries)
[18:43:12] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: IAlex; "Refactored Profiler methods to get the actual and initial time: * Added $metric parameter to Profiler::getTime() and Profiler::getInitialTime() so that the time calculating method can be easily overriden * Added 'cpu' time metric (for ProfilerSimple) * Ma" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3824
[18:45:14] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: IAlex; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3824
[18:45:30] <codurr>	 03raindrift * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/114568> 10/trunk/extensions/PageTriage/ (5 files in 2 dirs): moved ListItem and ListView into separate files
[18:45:54] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Bolnagri keymap for Narayam - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35559  +comment (10G Karunakar)
[18:47:08] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Bolnagri keymap for Narayam - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35559  +comment (10G Karunakar)
[18:50:16] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Bolnagri keymap for Narayam - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35559  +comment (10G Karunakar)
[18:50:55] <codurr>	 03raindrift * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/114569> 10/trunk/extensions/PageTriage/ (2 files in 2 dirs):
[18:50:55] <codurr>	 fixed a bug where anon contributions didn't display correctly
[18:50:55] <codurr>	 added a comment
[18:51:32] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Bolnagri keymap for Narayam - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35559  +comment (10G Karunakar)
[18:56:11] <codurr>	 03raindrift * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/114570> 10/trunk/extensions/PageTriage/modules/ext.pageTriage.models/ext.pageTriage.article.js: always set the creation_date_pretty property, even if there's no user creation date
[18:58:19] <codurr>	 03raindrift * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/114571> 10/trunk/extensions/PageTriage/modules/ext.pageTriage.views/ext.pageTriage.listView.js: this is the list view. i left it out of r114568
[18:58:48] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: MarkAHershberger; "Avoid setting multiple Content-Type headers." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3874
[19:04:44] <codurr>	 03raindrift * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/114572> 10/trunk/extensions/PageTriage/SpecialPageTriage.php: include block status for IPs
[19:04:49] <wikibugs>	 03(WONTFIX) [TestSwarm] fetcher need git support - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33773  +comment (10Antoine "hashar" Musso)
[19:13:52] <Amgine>	 sidenote: svn.sourceforge.net has an expired cert, which causes a few externals to fail.
[19:13:56] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Integrate Jenkins with Git - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34141  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[19:14:12] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: awjrichards; "Make javascript mf_useformat cookie setting set a domain that will cover all subdomains; Update desktop view URL to not include useformat=desktop" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3875
[19:14:13] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: awjrichards; "Remove usage of wgCookiePrefix for mf_useformat cookie; make cookiepath and cookiedomain configurable in JS cookie writing code; pass cookie path and cookie domain to JS from mobile frontend body" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3876
[19:14:14] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: awjrichards; "Wrapping up cookie handling fixes; passing in domain/path to JS from PHP to ensure that values will match; fixed js cookie generation to not generate two different cookies...; retrurning to use ?useformat=desktop in desktop view URL to offer a graceful fa" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3877
[19:20:00] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) installer: ability to override LocalSettings.php filename - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34426  +comment (10Antoine "hashar" Musso)
[19:20:21] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Move Git conversion issues from wiki pages & mailing list into BZ - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34349  summary; +comment (10Sumana Harihareswara)
[19:23:41] <Dantman>	 RDFa based SMW replacement... sooo, tempting..
[19:23:46] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Autolink to new Gerrit / Git changesets and SHA-1 commits - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35144  +comment (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[19:26:19] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Inez; "Asking where to eat for lunch" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3878
[19:26:49] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Make git-review more easy to install on Windows - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35145  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[19:27:50] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Make git-review more easy to install on Windows - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35145  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[19:28:31] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Make git-review more easy to install on Windows - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35145  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[19:28:51] <ashwin107>	 Is any here who is working on the automatic taxobox?
[19:28:58] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Catrope; "Asking where to eat for lunch" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3878
[19:29:04] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Propertie which values are entered with a csv import are considered as Unused properties - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35571 normal; MediaWiki extensions: Semantic MediaWiki; (contact)
[19:32:34] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) PostgreSQL/pgsql support (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/384  (10Marcin Cieślak)
[19:32:34] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Blocks appear to succeed even if query fails due to wrong DB structure - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35572 major; MediaWiki: Database; (marcin.cieslak)
[19:32:49] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Tell git on gerrit.wikimedia.org not to generate spurious terminal sequences - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35462  +comment (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[19:33:15] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Make git-review more easy to install on Windows - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35145  +comment (10Jarry1250)
[19:33:45] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Tell git on gerrit.wikimedia.org not to generate spurious terminal sequences - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35462  +comment (10Antoine "hashar" Musso)
[19:33:46] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Migrate subversion to git (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/22596  (10Antoine "hashar" Musso)
[19:37:24] <fpcfan>	 can I browse the mediawiki git repo, to see current versions of mediawiki files?
[19:38:14] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Let LocalisationUpdate fetch from Git - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35469  +comment (10Antoine "hashar" Musso)
[19:38:15] <fpcfan>	 sorry for asking, I found the link
[19:39:29] <ashwin107>	 is anyone here who can work on automatic taxobox?
[19:39:36] <ashwin107>	 i have a huge doubt regarding it?
[19:39:52] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Two-way syncing between Gerrit and GitHub - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35497  +comment (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[19:40:26] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Progress Icon for Listen In - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35573 minor; Wiktionary App: Wiktionary; (pfhayes)
[19:40:53] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Progress Icon for Listen In - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35573  (10Patrick Hayes)
[19:42:39] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: IAlex; "Show the git revision and git branch in the debug toolbar if available." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3879
[19:43:58] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Two-way syncing between Gerrit and GitHub - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35497  +comment (10Erik Moeller)
[19:45:36] <Dantman>	 The tricks you can do with box-shadow are awesome.
[19:46:35] <fpcfan>	 I want to create a bug report about the monobook skin, but I can only choose vector and modern skin as category. What should I choose?
[19:47:11] <ujjwal>	 hey folks
[19:47:24] <ujjwal>	 anyone here for gsoc ?
[19:48:57] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Amire80; "(bug 31236) Refactor CSS loading and apply CSSJanus to all CSS files." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3880
[19:48:58] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Let LocalisationUpdate fetch from Git - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35469  +comment (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[19:49:20] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Let LocalisationUpdate fetch from Git - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35469  +comment (10Antoine "hashar" Musso)
[19:49:40] <ashwin107>	 anyone here?
[19:49:44] <Dantman>	 fpcfan: Just use the user interface (or skins if we have one) component. The vector component was created because vector was part of the usability initiative and had extra features.
[19:50:39] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) "Next" and "Previous" buttons are shown incorrectly in an RTL environment - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31236  +comment (10Amir E. Aharoni)
[19:52:07] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Setup external git mirrors/clones - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35429  +comment (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[19:57:41] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) List of Gerrit users - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35508  +comment (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[19:58:14] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) List of Gerrit users - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35508  +comment (10Sumana Harihareswara)
[19:58:37] <wikibugs>	 04(REOPENED) Upgrade to 1.19 on Postgres fails due to incomplete query when trying to defer foreign key for externallinks - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33689  +comment (10Marcin Cieślak)
[19:59:19] <srikanthlogic>	 can ext:uploadwizard be requested on language wiki's or is it specific to commons ?
[20:01:47] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: saper; "* One DELETE query should be enough, esp. if for some databases a trigger would remove autoblock row..." [mediawiki/core] (master) C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3841
[20:01:52] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) List of Gerrit users - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35508   +easy; +comment (10Antoine "hashar" Musso)
[20:02:27] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) [Regression] Special:Log/patrol doesn't show "(automatic)" for autopatrols anymore - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35565  +comment (10Niklas Laxström)
[20:02:44] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) List of Gerrit users - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35508  +comment (10Antoine "hashar" Musso)
[20:04:01] <sumanah>	 !seen ^demon
[20:04:15] <sumanah>	 ok, nm, that doesn't work
[20:05:35] <RoanKattouw>	 sumanah: He's in eqiad racking servers
[20:05:42] <sumanah>	 ahhhh
[20:05:51] <sumanah>	 I missed that -- did he email a note about it or something?
[20:06:58] <RoanKattouw>	 I don't think so
[20:07:06] <RoanKattouw>	 I saw him and Rob talk about it on IRC
[20:07:59] <sumanah>	 ok
[20:08:13] <sumanah>	 do you know when he'll return to us?
[20:08:17] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: coren; "I used to delete queries out of paranoia that the query execution plan may not actually use both ind..." [mediawiki/core] (master) C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3841
[20:08:54] <RoanKattouw>	 sumanah: I do not; you could ask RobH
[20:09:07] <YuviPanda>	 srikanthlogic: heya
[20:09:19] <ashwin107>	 sumanah: the taxobox?
[20:09:53] <sumanah>	 ashwin107: we can talk here
[20:11:10] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Send email notifications of all MediaWiki commits to mediawiki-cvs list - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35531  +comment (10Niklas Laxström)
[20:11:37] <ashwin107>	 @sumanah: i have a doubt regarding the taxobox.
[20:11:39] <sumanah>	 ashwin107: go ahead and share your questions
[20:12:02] <sumanah>	 ashwin107: (most people here speak a variant of US or UK English, so you would say "question" rather than "doubt")
[20:12:22] <ashwin107>	 my apologies.
[20:12:25] <ashwin107>	 but, yes. 
[20:13:18] <ashwin107>	 for generation of the taxobox, does it have to be an application?
[20:15:52] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Commits from the l10n-bot should be merged immediately - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35537  +comment (10Antoine "hashar" Musso)
[20:22:40] <uuxlmbs>	 !ops Gfoley4 is flooding!
[20:23:15] <TBloemink>	 Awww
[20:23:15] <fpcfan>	 Dantman: thx
[20:23:18] <TBloemink>	 what a nice fella
[20:27:51] <RobH>	 RoanKattouw: dont expect chad back today ;]
[20:27:59] <RobH>	 it will be 7ish when we leave here.
[20:28:12] <RobH>	 and im buyin him dinner for helping out, then he has to drive home
[20:28:18] <RobH>	 and i didnt steal him, he volunteered ;]
[20:28:40] * RobH  will accept the assistance of anyone foolish enough to volunteer to help unbox and rack stuff ;]

[20:28:46] <sumanah>	 ok, thanks RobH 
[20:30:35] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: saper; "(bug 5445) remove autoblocks when user is unblocked" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3841
[20:32:34] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: preilly; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3875
[20:32:37] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: preilly; [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3875
[20:33:00] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: preilly; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3876
[20:33:03] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: preilly; [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3876
[20:33:24] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: preilly; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3877
[20:33:27] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: preilly; [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3877
[20:34:02] <cenabc>	 !ops d̡̮͎̰̝̻̮̣̥̥͕̙̣̩͓ͥ͒̾ͥ̆ͤ̎̾̇ͭͤ̽̓ͥ͟ḙ̙̖̗̟̹̪̠̪̱͎͚̦̟̫̱̠̏̔̃͂̚̕͞ͅr̷̤̬̣̻͚ͦ̈̆̓͋̐͐͊͒͛͐͆̄̄̑ͣ́̕p̜̣̟͕̺̘̟̼̭̳̘̬̣̻̫͖̙̓͐̽͂͛̀ ̃ͩ́ͨ͗̿ͥͨ̆̀̔͊ͯ̍͌ͫ̚͏̢̨̯̩̗̯̪̯͔̼̪̣̗͝w̨̱͇̻̦̹̫̞͉̳̣̥̲̮͉ͫ͊̿̏ͪ̌͛̄ͪ̐ͧͫͯ̆̂̓̿͌ͯ͡a̡̞̺͇̳̻͖̱͎͕͍͓̮̝̣̬͙̒̐̂̽̐͐̈̿̇ͭ́̋̂̎ͪ̎ͫͨͭ́̀͢š̡̛̹̳̘̖̦̑̈́ͫ̇̊ͦ͗͡�
[20:35:31] <saper>	 nice
[20:35:38] <kimun>	 in mediawiki 1.18 how do you change search results to not show the "Advanced" section by default and display  "Content Pages" by default (like in mediawiki 1.16 and earlier) 
[20:36:12] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) [Regression] Special:Log/patrol doesn't show "(automatic)" for autopatrols anymore - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35565  +comment (10Trijnstel)
[20:36:40] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Inez; "Fries\!" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3882
[20:37:39] <kimun>	 with a fixed width skin … having the advanced search display shows all the namespace option which takes up all the initial above the fold screen space
[20:38:08] <kimun>	 been looking high and low for the setting to change it to display "Content Pages" results by default
[20:39:34] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Inez; "Lot of fries" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3883
[20:42:38] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: awjrichards; "Added a way to set values for pre-existing object properties with configuration variable () in MobileFrontend; Added relevant test method" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3884
[20:43:57] <kimun>	 no clues?
[20:47:01] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: coren; "(bug 5445) remove autoblocks when user is unblocked" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3841
[20:47:46] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: awjrichards; "Added a way to set values for pre-existing object properties with configuration variable () in MobileFrontend; Added relevant test method" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3884
[20:49:58] <codurr>	 03platonides * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/114573> 10/trunk/tools/code-utils/subgits:
[20:49:58] <codurr>	 The portable way is to perform a string comparison using
[20:49:58] <codurr>	 just one equal sign [1]. Bash test accepts ==, but dash
[20:49:58] <codurr>	 complains about an 'unexpected operator'.
[20:49:59] <codurr>	 Fixes r114531.
[20:50:00] <codurr>	 1- http://www.opengroup.org/sud/sud1/xcu/test.htm
[20:50:31] <codurr>	 New code comment: Platonides; dash is more strict there, bash seems to accept both = and ==. Fixed in r114573.; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/114531#c32568>
[21:00:24] <sumanah>	 hashar: Reedy: Tim-away: AaronSchulz: time for the call
[21:00:56] <codurr>	 03kaldari * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/114574> 10/trunk/extensions/PageTriage/ (2 files in 2 dirs): prettying up the list display in PageTraige
[21:00:57] <hashar>	 oh the call
[21:00:59] <hashar>	 going to be fun
[21:02:53] <sumanah>	 oh, TimStarling, sorry, just SMSed you
[21:03:49] <Guest92901>	 what do i $ git clone to get mediawikis new git database?
[21:04:37] <RoanKattouw>	 Guest92901: git clone https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/p/mediawiki/core.git
[21:05:17] <aharoni>	 is there a standard way to flip images for RTL in MediaWiki?
[21:06:58] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: MrBlueSky; "(bug 30963) Option to hide redirects in Allpages and Prefixindex" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3886
[21:11:43] <kimun>	 in mediawiki 1.18 how do you change search results to not show the "Advanced" section by default and display  "Content Pages" by default (like in mediawiki 1.16 and earlier)
[21:11:43] <Guest92901>	 doew MW still use SVN?
[21:11:44] <RoanKattouw>	 We are in the process of migrating to git, so most things live in git now but some things are still in SV
[21:11:44] <RoanKattouw>	 *SVN
[21:11:44] <wpirc7017>	 how do I change the table sorting locale (for languages that use spaces or dots as separators, and commas as decimal separators)?
[21:11:44] <Guest92901>	 why is it not git://gerrit...
[21:11:44] <Guest92901>	 does extension distributer still work for git?
[21:11:44] <RoanKattouw>	 Guest92901: git:// uses insecure HTTP, we don't provide that
[21:11:44] <RoanKattouw>	 I don't think so, but I'm not sure
[21:11:45] <Guest92901>	 how do i get an extension, than?
[21:11:45] <RoanKattouw>	 ExtensionDistributor still works, it just won't pick up any changes to extensions in git
[21:11:45] <RoanKattouw>	 So for extensions that are still in SVN, it works fine. For extensions that were moved to git, you'll get last week's version
[21:11:45] <Guest92901>	 so, last weeks version all the time with extension distributer?
[21:12:14] <RoanKattouw>	 For now, yeah
[21:12:15] <RoanKattouw>	 Until someone fixes it
[21:12:45] <Guest92901>	 last weeks as in 3/21 or as the week before this?
[21:12:58] <RoanKattouw>	 3/21 is the day we switched
[21:13:17] <RoanKattouw>	 So you'd get the version as it was on 3/21
[21:13:31] <Guest92901>	 is there no way to get extensions now that were changed in git ie:git clone?
[21:13:32] <RoanKattouw>	 This only matters if you're downloading the trunk version; if you're downloading the 1.18 version it doesn't matter
[21:13:40] <RoanKattouw>	 Yes, you can clone them by hand
[21:13:51] <Guest92901>	 how do i navigate git?
[21:14:01] <RoanKattouw>	 git clone https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/p/mediawiki/extensions/ParserFunctions.git
[21:14:10] <RoanKattouw>	 What do you mean?
[21:14:27] <Guest92901>	 find the includes folder, extension:congresslookup
[21:14:31] <Guest92901>	 ...
[21:15:42] <wpirc7017>	 :/
[21:15:57] <wpirc7017>	 !locale
[21:15:57] <mw-bot>	 I don't know anything about "locale".
[21:17:34] <aharoni>	 RoanKattouw: is there a standard way to flip images for RTL in MediaWiki?
[21:18:51] <RoanKattouw>	 No
[21:19:06] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Inez; "adding a local test file to my local test branch" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3888
[21:19:13] <kimun>	 : in mediawiki 1.18 how do you change search results to not show the "Advanced" section by default and display  "Content Pages" by default (like in mediawiki 1.16 and earlier)
[21:19:22] <Guest92901>	 how do i go through the folders, like if i wanted to go to the includes...
[21:19:25] <Guest92901>	 in git
[21:21:13] <RoanKattouw>	 https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/gitweb?p=mediawiki/core.git;a=tree
[21:22:39] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) multiple templates and mw templates - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35554  +comment (10Yaron Koren)
[21:23:48] <TimStarling>	 RoanKattouw: have you found anyone to do that job runner thing yet?
[21:24:19] <RoanKattouw>	 TimStarling: Ben offered to do it but he basically said he didn't know anything about anything, see RT
[21:24:35] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) extension distributer -- now MW is git and that is SVN - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35574 major; MediaWiki extensions: [other]; (jdk370)
[21:25:04] <Guest92901>	 !b 35574
[21:25:04] <mw-bot>	 https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=35574
[21:25:25] <sumanah>	 TimStarling: hashar - when Chad, Sam, and Rob are back I'll bring up Gerrit project owner stuff -- not worth talking about without the full team around
[21:25:29] <TimStarling>	 I don't see anything in RT apart from your request
[21:25:55] <RoanKattouw>	 Did he contact me directly outside of RT?
[21:25:59] * RoanKattouw  looks at e-mail

[21:26:07] <RoanKattouw>	 Yes, he did
[21:26:15] <kimun>	 in mediawiki 1.18 how do you change search results to not show the "Advanced" section by default and display  "Content Pages" by default (like in mediawiki 1.16 and earlier) <-- hints please ?:D
[21:26:41] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: saper; "(bug 33689) Fix incomplete query on constraints" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3889
[21:27:16] <RoanKattouw>	 Copying it in now
[21:27:45] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) extension distributer -- now MW is git and that is SVN - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35574  +comment (10Tim Starling)
[21:28:19] <hashar>	 have a good night :)
[21:28:39] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) Upgrade to 1.19 on Postgres fails due to incomplete query when trying to defer foreign key for externallinks - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33689  +comment (10Marcin Cieślak)
[21:28:49] <sumanah>	 night hashar 
[21:29:16] <TimStarling>	 I've updated that task package lots of times, so I can probably do it
[21:30:41] <RoanKattouw>	 OK
[21:30:46] <RoanKattouw>	 I figured that
[21:31:06] <codurr>	 03a_engels * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/114575> 10/trunk/wikistats/squids/ (4 files): UserAgent screen finished
[21:31:07] <RoanKattouw>	 But it was 3am your time when Fabrice poked me :)
[21:32:00] <codurr>	 03awjrichards * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/114576> 10/branches/wmf/1.19wmf1/extensions/MobileFrontend/ (7 files in 3 dirs): Picking up mf_useformat cookie fixes - MFG Change-Id: Iec23d682, Change-Id: I0f6a4405, Change_Id: I45b38d55; Updating minified JS for application.js and banner.js
[21:32:02] <TimStarling>	 ah, interesting, it's not a task package
[21:32:07] <TimStarling>	 same difference though
[21:32:10] <sumanah>	 SPQRobin: hey, have you lined up a mentor yet?
[21:32:24] <sumanah>	 SPQRobin: that's a pretty important thing to do in the near future before you head away from keyboard for a few weeks
[21:32:29] <sumanah>	 well, a week
[21:33:31] <SPQRobin>	 sumanah: ok, do I have to find one, or would it otherwise be decided when reviewing all proposals?
[21:33:41] <sumanah>	 SPQRobin: you should find one.
[21:33:57] <SPQRobin>	 ok
[21:36:42] <sumanah>	 hey TrevorParscal - with https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=34885 I presume you're attaching the patch in BZ to get more scrutiny before you commit it?
[21:36:53] <sumanah>	 but with pre-commit review that's not as much of a need, is it?
[21:37:08] <TrevorParscal>	 the patch is not working correctly, but it's close
[21:37:17] <TrevorParscal>	 so, I don't want to commit something that's knowingly broken
[21:37:19] <TrevorParscal>	 to anywhere
[21:37:25] <codurr>	 03raindrift * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/114577> 10/trunk/extensions/PageTriage/modules/external/jquery.waypoints.js: adding waypoints jquery extension for working with window scroll position
[21:38:03] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Bolnagri keymap for Narayam - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35559   +need-review +patch; +comment (10Sumana Harihareswara)
[21:38:04] <sumanah>	 TrevorParscal: ah, got it
[21:38:47] <codurr>	 03raindrift * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/114578> 10/trunk/extensions/PageTriage/ (7 files in 2 dirs): added skeletons for control and stats navigation views
[21:40:06] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) [Regression] RTL with IE-7 (or IE 8/9 in "compatability mode") does not show any toolbar - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34885   +patch +reviewed; +comment (10Sumana Harihareswara)
[21:44:29] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) extension distributer -- now MW is git and that is SVN - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35574  (10jdk370)
[21:44:53] <codurr>	 03bsitu * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/114579> 10/trunk/extensions/PageTriage/includes/PageTriageUtil.php: add more functions to generate dashboard stat data
[21:46:06] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Public Autoblock is not hidden on Special:BlockList after hideuser - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/20267  +comment (10Marcin Cieślak)
[21:46:53] <codurr>	 03a_engels * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/114580> 10/trunk/wikistats/squids/SquidReportArchive.pl: minor fixes to my last submit
[21:48:48] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: saper; "I don't see new changes here..." [mediawiki/core] (master) C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3841
[21:48:49] <codurr>	 03tstarling * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/114581> 10/trunk/debs/wikimedia-job-runner/debian/changelog: Fixed the version number, and changed the author so that I can sign the archive
[21:50:42] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: saper; "By the way, why don't we revisit re-use of ipb_auto (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=..." [mediawiki/core] (master) C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3841
[21:53:32] <TimStarling>	 if you put that change into gerrit-differ.php it just gives unrelated changes
[21:53:48] <TimStarling>	 I guess the technique I used is not good enough
[21:55:58] <TimStarling>	 "Any dupload.conf must begin with "package config;" because "config" is the namespace expected by dupload."
[21:56:02] <TimStarling>	 lol
[21:57:02] <TimStarling>	 does perl not have any configuration file format parser?
[21:58:11] <wikibugs>	 03(ASSIGNED) AFT box should disappear after being clicked on - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33725  +comment (10Yoni Shostak)
[21:58:14] <saper>	 TimStarling: which one?
[21:58:25] <saper>	 3841?
[21:58:42] <TimStarling>	 yeah, 3841, 4->5
[21:59:39] <saper>	 it could accept 3841 as well (not just URL)
[22:00:02] <saper>	 wow this is good
[22:00:48] <saper>	 943378a is a tree
[22:02:17] <TimStarling>	 the source is at /trunk/tools/gerrit-differ in subversion
[22:03:05] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Kaldari; "fix for bug Bug 27757, applying John Du Harts patch for an API method for retrieving tokens" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3890
[22:03:19] <codurr>	 03raindrift * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/114582> 10/trunk/extensions/PageTriage/ (3 files in 2 dirs): top navbar floats. woo!
[22:03:33] <saper>	 Unknown command: 'clone'
[22:03:33] <saper>	 Type 'svn help' for usage.
[22:04:35] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Amire80; "(bug 24692) flipping the toggle arrow for RTL." [mediawiki/extensions/UploadWizard] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3891
[22:05:14] <TimStarling>	 subversion, I hardly knew ye
[22:07:28] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Upload wizard: RTL support is incomplete - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/24692  +comment (10Amir E. Aharoni)
[22:08:01] <TimStarling>	 oops, I think I just uploaded wikimedia-task-appserver to upload.ubuntu.com by mistake
[22:08:03] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jdlrobson; "enabling toggling on for browsers that don't support querySelectorAll and indexOf" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3892
[22:08:19] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) Noke E63 can't expand sections on mobile - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35569  +comment (10Jon)
[22:08:37] <Platonides>	 do you have rights to do that?
[22:08:49] <TimStarling>	 apparently it's anonymous
[22:09:13] <codurr>	 03bsitu * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/114583> 10/trunk/extensions/PageTriage/ (includes/ArticleMetadata.php sql/PageTriageTags.sql): Add user_id to pagetriage metadata
[22:11:03] <codurr>	 03jeroendedauw * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/114584> 10/trunk/extensions/EducationProgram/maintenance/importWEPFromDB.php: keep track of errors in import script
[22:15:19] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) AFT box should disappear after being clicked on - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33725  +comment (10Fabrice Florin)
[22:15:41] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) AFT box should disappear after being clicked on - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33725  -aftv5-1.0 +aftv5-2.0 (10Fabrice Florin)
[22:17:18] <Guest92901>	 what is that?
[22:18:31] <TimStarling>	 what is what?
[22:20:32] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jdlrobson; "redesign feedback form" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (contact-us-redesign) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3893
[22:33:40] <codurr>	 03saper * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/114585> 10/trunk/tools/gerrit-differ/gerrit-differ.php:
[22:33:40] <codurr>	 Allow Change ID's to be entered into the form
[22:33:40] <codurr>	 * Properly detect missing URL fragment
[22:33:40] <codurr>	 * Provide some defaults for changeset numbers
[22:35:13] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jdlrobson; "first version of ajax loader" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (history) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3894
[22:36:46] <sumanah>	 Jarry1250: hey - http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/toolserver-l/2012-March/004866.html just FYI
[22:38:11] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: preilly; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3884
[22:38:13] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: preilly; [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3884
[22:39:09] <Jarry1250>	 sumanah: Ah, I believe that was Josh_Parris, I'll ping him.
[22:39:31] <sumanah>	 Jarry1250: look on his talk page
[22:39:34] <sumanah>	 there's something about this
[22:40:03] <Jarry1250>	 Yes, I was just loading it as you said that because I remembered seeing something on there.
[22:40:18] <Jarry1250>	 It's one of those vague->precise unfortunate conversions.
[22:40:23] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Server is slow - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35499  +comment (10Hazard-SJ)
[22:40:59] <codurr>	 03yaron * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/114586> 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/includes/SF_FormUtils.php: Fixed the preserving of "unhandled" fields, for templates whose name contains a space.
[22:42:02] <rabidsnail>	 I'm trying to exfiltrate the WikiText parser from mediawiki, and it looks like Parser.php depends on basically all of mediawiki. Do I have to manually untangle it or is there some way for me to cut it loose?
[22:44:13] <sumanah>	 why is it you want that parser? there are other standalone parsers that parse wikitext
[22:44:55] <Joan>	 They're generally quite bad.
[22:44:57] <rabidsnail>	 I didn't think any of them were bug-for-bug compatible with the mediawiki implementation
[22:45:17] <Joan>	 rabidsnail: Depends how much you want to parse.
[22:45:27] <rabidsnail>	 a dump of all of english wikipedia
[22:45:28] <Joan>	 Are we talking about 10 articles, 10,000 articles, 1,000,000 articles?
[22:45:30] <Joan>	 Oh.
[22:45:40] <Joan>	 For what purpose?
[22:45:48] <rabidsnail>	 reindexing and repackaging
[22:46:00] <Joan>	 If you just want the parsed HTML, usually hitting the live sites is easiest.
[22:46:05] <Joan>	 Because there's a robust cache layer.
[22:46:09] <Joan>	 And the parsing is already done.
[22:46:17] <Joan>	 But that's not as practical for the whole site...
[22:46:20] <rabidsnail>	 I suspect the parsing would be faster than going over the internet
[22:46:43] <Joan>	 That makes a large assumption that you _can_ parse the text.
[22:46:54] <YuviPanda>	 rabidsnail: run local mediawiki installation, use action=parse?
[22:47:08] <Joan>	 If you're going to set up MediaWiki, you should just use Parser.php.
[22:47:22] <Joan>	 But setting up MediaWiki is a pain-in-the-ass.
[22:47:28] <rabidsnail>	 That's what I'm trying to do
[22:47:29] <Joan>	 And you won't ever get a perfect result with the live site.
[22:47:46] <Joan>	 I mean, it's not difficult to set up MediaWiki. It's difficult to replicate Wikimedia's setup.
[22:48:00] <Joan>	 And you won't ever be able to exactly match the live site.
[22:48:04] <Joan>	 That's a pipe dream.
[22:48:20] <rabidsnail>	 I'm fine with not having latex perfectly formatted and tables sortable and such
[22:48:26] <rabidsnail>	 as long as all of the content is there
[22:48:32] <Joan>	 Well, how much content?
[22:48:34] <Joan>	 Images too?
[22:48:59] <rabidsnail>	 the text, the links, the footnotes, and the image urls
[22:49:09] <rabidsnail>	 I can fetch the images in a separate step
[22:49:53] <Joan>	 If I were going to do it, I'd multi-thread and just hit the English Wikipedia's API a lot.
[22:50:00] <Joan>	 Or multi-thread and get the cached HTML.
[22:50:04] <Joan>	 Which is nicer and will be faster.
[22:50:23] <rabidsnail>	 That'll only go as fast as my pipe
[22:50:33] <rabidsnail>	 even if I go async (which I would)
[22:50:36] <Joan>	 What's the alternative?
[22:50:52] <Joan>	 Parsing links and shit is just too much headache. They're all dependent on current state and cross-reference tables and other nonsense.
[22:51:05] <Joan>	 Templates all have to be parsed at multiple levels (pulling in other pages, etc.).
[22:51:17] <Joan>	 It's a nightmare.
[22:51:19] <rabidsnail>	 ugh, really?
[22:51:28] <Joan>	 Well, for example, [[mw:foo]].
[22:51:33] <Joan>	 That's an interwiki link to mediawiki.org.
[22:51:44] <Joan>	 So you have to be able to figure that out, which requires checking a separate SQL table.
[22:51:59] <Joan>	 Or [[article link]]. Does that page exist (red link vs. blue link)?
[22:52:06] <Joan>	 You have to check the pagelinks table.
[22:52:11] <Joan>	 It's a big process for every page.
[22:52:25] <Joan>	 You could strip shit fairly easily.
[22:52:28] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) create an API command just for retrieving tokens (not page-based) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/27757  +comment (10Ryan Kaldari)
[22:52:35] <Joan>	 That is, get a plaintext version of the article.
[22:52:41] <Joan>	 That's not as horrible, though the edge cases are still painful.
[22:52:46] <rabidsnail>	 wikipedia has a sitemap, right?
[22:52:53] <Joan>	 No.
[22:53:07] <Joan>	 What kind of sitemap do you want?
[22:53:23] <rabidsnail>	 A list of all of the articles
[22:53:26] <rabidsnail>	 to bootstrap from
[22:53:33] <Joan>	 That can be obtained from the MediaWiki API.
[22:53:33] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: preilly; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3847
[22:53:35] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: preilly; [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3847
[22:53:37] <Joan>	 There's an allpages module.
[22:53:40] <Joan>	 Are you familiar with the API?
[22:53:43] <Joan>	 It's fairly robust.
[22:53:51] <Joan>	 You can also download SQL dumps of the articles list.
[22:53:58] <Joan>	 It's in the page table.
[22:54:02] <rabidsnail>	 I actually already have that
[22:54:06] <Joan>	 Where page_namespace = 0 and page_is_redirect = 0, essentially.
[22:54:07] <rabidsnail>	 now that I think of it
[22:54:15] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: preilly; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3855
[22:54:16] <Joan>	 So you can get a list from there.
[22:54:17] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: preilly; [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3855
[22:54:42] <Joan>	 rabidsnail: If you end up using the Squid cache, you should try to match the URL that browsers will see.
[22:54:46] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: preilly; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3856
[22:54:48] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: preilly; [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3856
[22:54:49] <Joan>	 So... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Page_title
[22:54:56] <rabidsnail>	 noted
[22:55:02] <Joan>	 No index.php?title= noise. That's not cached as well.
[22:55:13] <Joan>	 And use a descriptive User-Agent with contact info, in case you get blocked.
[22:55:20] <Joan>	 (But try not to get blocked. ;-)
[22:55:28] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: preilly; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3857
[22:55:31] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: preilly; [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3857
[22:55:37] <Joan>	 The cache layer serves like a billion people a day. You probably won't have any impact there.
[22:55:49] <Joan>	 If you're hitting the API and actually parsing pages, that's what'll kill you.
[22:55:53] <Joan>	 Or get you killed.
[22:55:54] <rabidsnail>	 I'm going to be hitting a lot more cold articles than a normal person would
[22:56:03] <Joan>	 There used to be HTML dumps.
[22:56:06] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: preilly; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3892
[22:56:08] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: preilly; [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3892
[22:56:18] <Joan>	 I doubt you'd find many cold articles on a site like the English Wikipedia.
[22:56:25] <Joan>	 I mean, there are some, sure.
[22:56:27] <sumanah>	 chrismcmahon: re http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User_talk:Cmcmahon#Community_Testing_for_WMF -- what other FLOSS projects have reasonable systems set up to aid community testers?  Like, what are the setups at Canonical, Mozilla, Participatory Culture Foundation, and other major projects? who's doing it right?
[22:56:29] <Joan>	 But they're the exception.
[22:57:00] <rabidsnail>	 I doubt I could cause a problem with my puny little cable modem
[22:57:12] <chrismcmahon>	 sumanah: Moz is the only one I know of. and we can learn from some of their mistakes. 
[22:57:16] <Joan>	 Yeah, you should be fine.
[22:57:24] <Joan>	 It's not a billion pageviews a day.
[22:57:26] <Joan>	 That was exaggeration.
[22:57:34] <sumanah>	 chrismcmahon: http://devblogs.pculture.org/devblogs/mirotesting/pcf-test-automation-projects/
[22:57:36] <Joan>	 But it is several hundred million.
[22:57:45] <sumanah>	 chrismcmahon: http://devblogs.pculture.org/devblogs/mirotesting/
[22:57:54] <rabidsnail>	 it's not how many views you have but what the distribution looks like
[22:58:31] <rabidsnail>	 a 10% increase in long-tail views can kill a site
[22:59:08] <sumanah>	 chrismcmahon: PCF is trying, at least.  I'm curious about whether anyone is doing it right.  Like, what about Fedora?
[22:59:16] <sumanah>	 chrismcmahon: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Adamwill/It_boots_ship_it
[22:59:32] <Joan>	 > Where the fuck is sumanah?  She should be handling the shit at http://enwp.org/WP:VPT#Toolserver_replication_lag
[22:59:36] <Joan>	 FYI.
[23:00:03] <sumanah>	 Joan: thanks for letting me know.  I presume that's Dispenser?
[23:00:15] <TandemAdam>	 Hey I have a question about the mediawiki API, is this the place to ask?
[23:00:19] <Joan>	 sumanah: Heh, yes. :-)
[23:00:38] <Joan>	 I have no idea if it's your job or whatever, but he seems to think it is.
[23:00:45] <Joan>	 Not that you can fix Toolserver lag...
[23:00:55] <codurr>	 03bsitu * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/114587> 10/trunk/extensions/PageTriage/ (2 files in 2 dirs): fix title url so it includes namespace
[23:01:02] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: MaxSem; "(bug 35565) Special:Log/patrol doesn't indicate whether patrolling was automatic" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3895
[23:01:14] <sumanah>	 TandemAdam: yes it is!
[23:01:21] <MaxSem>	 fuuuu
[23:01:37] <TandemAdam>	 sumanah: awesome thanks
[23:01:39] <MaxSem>	 took me 20 minutes to push this...
[23:01:44] <chrismcmahon>	 sumanah: we really don't want to mess with Sikuli (or Eggplant) like PCF, trust me.  at least not for a long time. 
[23:02:04] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) [Regression] Special:Log/patrol doesn't show "(automatic)" for autopatrols anymore - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35565  +comment (10Max Semenik)
[23:02:32] <TandemAdam>	 So basically I what to get a list of most recently created pages using the mediawiki api
[23:02:33] <sumanah>	 chrismcmahon: well, I won't just "trust you" - maybe you can back that up with some explanation on https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User_talk:Cmcmahon#Community_Testing_for_WMF or a similar page :-) or maybe you already have and I missed it
[23:02:43] <TandemAdam>	 I am trying to use this: api.php ? action=query & list=recentchanges & rcprop=title|ids|sizes|flags|user & rclimit=3
[23:03:37] <TandemAdam>	 but it seems "flags" can a few options (new, minor, and bot). how do I set these in my query?
[23:03:55] <chrismcmahon>	 sumanah: Sikuli and Eggplant are image-bitmap-comparison tools.  they're useful in some limited circumstances.  also, Eggplant is proprietary.  apples and oranges. 
[23:04:20] <sumanah>	 chrismcmahon: and Litmus?
[23:05:15] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: coren; "I had a discussion with Tim where he pointed out the difficulties that migration would have if we ch..." [mediawiki/core] (master) C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3841
[23:05:39] <chrismcmahon>	 sumanah: litmus is the host name at PCF that shows test results, yes?
[23:06:02] <sumanah>	 I thought it was the name of a FLOSS tool that hosts test plans and helps you run them - I could be wrong
[23:06:26] <chrismcmahon>	 I could be wrong also
[23:09:20] <sumanah>	 chrismcmahon: how about you look at Fedora and a couple of the other FLOSS projects that do a fair amount of community-run QA (Ubuntu comes to mind maybe? jboss?)  
[23:09:28] <sumanah>	 chrismcmahon: this'll help prep for the meeting tomorrow
[23:09:53] <TandemAdam>	 anyone know how to get a list of new pages from the API?
[23:10:28] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Make "bug 12345" clickable - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35570  normal->15enhancement (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[23:10:53] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: MaxSem; "Please add descriptions what your examples do, e.g. 'http://url'=>'Retrieve foo token'" [mediawiki/core] (master) C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3890
[23:11:06] <chrismcmahon>	 sumanah: how about limiting that to browser testing?  
[23:11:08] <sumanah>	 TandemAdam: you've already checked out https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/API:Main_page ?
[23:11:40] <sumanah>	 chrismcmahon: well, I think you want to skim the community-QA-encouraging/training structures of any FLOSS project that's got a healthy QA community, right?
[23:11:49] <TandemAdam>	 sumanah: yes, but can't find specifically how to just get *new* pages
[23:11:59] <sumanah>	 don't know, sorry TandemAdam 
[23:12:08] <sumanah>	 try the API mailing list?    https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-api
[23:13:09] <TandemAdam>	 oh sweet, just found it I think. I need to set rctype to "new"
[23:13:18] <TandemAdam>	 thanks for you help anyway
[23:15:17] <sumanah>	 sure
[23:15:28] <sumanah>	 TandemAdam: also check out https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:ApiSandbox
[23:15:32] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) extension distributer -- now MW is git and that is SVN - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35574  major->normal; +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[23:16:01] <TandemAdam>	 sumanah: Yeah that's how I found that option :) thanks
[23:16:05] <sumanah>	 cool
[23:16:11] <sumanah>	 Max here wrote it :-)
[23:16:15] <sumanah>	 (the sandbox)
[23:16:37] <TandemAdam>	 oh awesome, that APISandbox is wicked!
[23:17:42] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Make git-review easier to install on Windows - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35145  summary (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[23:17:51] <sumanah>	 it's great, isn't it :-)
[23:18:44] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Make git-review easier to install on Windows - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35145  +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[23:18:45] <codurr>	 03bsitu * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/114588> 10/trunk/extensions/PageTriage/PageTriage.i18n.php: add plural check for number of edit
[23:19:24] <helderwiki>	 When I run "ssh -p 29418 helderwiki@gerrit.wikimedia.org" I get the "Welcome to Gerrit Code Review" message, but if I try
[23:19:26] <helderwiki>	 "sudo git clone ssh://helderwiki@gerrit.wikimedia.org:29418/mediawiki/core.git" I get
[23:19:28] <helderwiki>	 "Cloning into core...
[23:19:30] <helderwiki>	 Permission denied (publickey).
[23:19:32] <helderwiki>	 fatal: The remote end hung up unexpectedly"
[23:19:34] <helderwiki>	 Any idea what I might be doing wrong?
[23:20:09] <saper>	 interesting
[23:20:25] <saper>	 helderwiki: ah leave out "sudo" :)
[23:20:32] <helderwiki>	 ok,
[23:20:40] <helderwiki>	 but the result was the same
[23:20:44] <helderwiki>	 =)
[23:20:51] <saper>	 sure?
[23:20:56] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Password reminder contains untranslated phrases - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35567   +i18n (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[23:20:57] <helderwiki>	 yep
[23:21:07] <saper>	 are you authenticating via ssh agent?
[23:21:14] <helderwiki>	 I'll check again, but I'm sure it was the same
[23:21:19] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Properties which values are entered with a csv import are considered as unused properties - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35571  summary (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[23:21:31] <helderwiki>	 saper, I'm not sure what that mean
[23:21:36] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Nokia E63 can't expand sections on mobile - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35569  summary (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[23:21:50] <helderwiki>	 (never used ssh, actually)
[23:22:40] <saper>	 helderwiki: ssh-agent is a tool that runs in the background... you start it, you enter "ssh-add" and load a key - and then you no longer need to give a key passphrase
[23:22:48] <saper>	 as long as the agent is running
[23:22:55] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) New parserfunction that determines whether a string is an IP address - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/15352   +ipv6 (10John Mark Vandenberg)
[23:23:05] <saper>	 but "sudo" will break both agent and key authentication without an agent
[23:23:23] <helderwiki>	 I've exectued "ssh-add ~/.ssh/id_rsa" previously
[23:23:32] <saper>	 ok
[23:23:39] <saper>	 so probably you have an agent
[23:23:45] <saper>	 running in the background
[23:23:49] <helderwiki>	 and got "Identity added..." after typing my password
[23:23:59] <saper>	 perfect
[23:24:07] <saper>	 so check
[23:24:09] <saper>	 ssh-add -l
[23:24:12] <saper>	 and then 
[23:24:18] <saper>	 git clone ssh://helderwiki@gerrit.wikimedia.org:29418/mediawiki/core.git
[23:24:36] <saper>	 (I hope "core" directory didn't get created as root)
[23:24:46] <helderwiki>	 "ssh-add -l" shows two long strings...
[23:24:53] <saper>	 good
[23:25:19] <Dantman>	 Ahhh... here it is... I finally found vendor prefix hell.
[23:25:20] <helderwiki>	 the git clone command caused: fatal: could not create work tree dir 'core'.: Permission denied
[23:25:29] <saper>	 rm -rf core
[23:25:51] <saper>	 it got created by root, delete and try again
[23:26:04] <saper>	 Dantman: vendor prefix?
[23:26:08] <Dantman>	 css
[23:26:23] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Kaldari; "follow-up to Change I58bc5847 - adding example descriptions" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3896
[23:26:31] <saper>	 ouch
[23:26:44] <helderwiki>	 rm -rf core didn't solve it
[23:26:47] <saper>	 sounds like dhcp vendor options
[23:26:50] <helderwiki>	 :-(
[23:26:58] <saper>	 helderwiki: sudo rmdir core ?
[23:27:37] <helderwiki>	 yep. same result again
[23:28:07] <saper>	 same result with what?
[23:28:12] <saper>	 rm -rf?
[23:28:14] <saper>	 git clone?
[23:28:44] <helderwiki>	 both
[23:29:08] <saper>	 what do the following commands say:
[23:29:08] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: awjrichards; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (contact-us-redesign); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3893
[23:29:09] <saper>	 id
[23:29:10] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: awjrichards; [mediawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend] (contact-us-redesign) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3893
[23:29:11] <saper>	 ls -ld .
[23:29:38] <helderwiki>	 ls -ld
[23:29:40] <helderwiki>	 drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2012-03-28 20:28 .
[23:30:23] <saper>	 I would recommend you to use a different directory, not owned by root
[23:30:35] <saper>	 like something in your home (~)
[23:30:56] <helderwiki>	 hmm.. I was trying in /var/www/mwtest
[23:33:27] <helderwiki>	 On ~/mwtest it seems to be downloading
[23:33:33] <helderwiki>	 =)
[23:34:27] <codurr>	 03raindrift * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/114589> 10/trunk/extensions/PageTriage/ (6 files in 3 dirs): added labels to the top nav, updated layout, made it actually be the right width
[23:35:41] <saper>	 helderwiki: it's permissions
[23:35:47] <helderwiki>	 saper: one more thing, when I was using the /var/www/mwtest directory, I would acess the wiki using http://localhost/mwtest/index.php
[23:36:03] <helderwiki>	 now that it is inside of my home, what would be the URL?
[23:36:08] <saper>	 now configure your webserver to use $HOME/mwtest instead of /var/www/mwtest
[23:36:12] <helderwiki>	 (or, do I need to configure?)
[23:36:15] <helderwiki>	 hmm
[23:36:16] <saper>	 which webserver?
[23:36:36] <helderwiki>	 don't know. How can I check?
[23:36:43] <helderwiki>	 (I'm using ubuntu)
[23:36:44] <saper>	 ok, it' apache then :)
[23:36:55] <helderwiki>	 :-)
[23:38:00] <saper>	 something like <Directory /your/home/mwtest> \n Options -Indexes \n order allow,deny \n allow from all\n </Directory> \n Alias /mwtest /your/home/mwtest \n
[23:38:05] <saper>	 where \n is newline
[23:38:21] <saper>	 should be added somewhere to your apache config
[23:38:33] * helderwiki  will google a little about this

[23:38:47] <helderwiki>	 thanks for now :-)
[23:39:14] <saper>	 yeah it's easy
[23:39:46] <codurr>	 New code comment: Bsitu; Missing semicolon is added in the follow-up revision; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/114587#c32569>
[23:42:47] <saper>	 helderwiki: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.4/urlmapping.html#documentroot
[23:49:05] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Create Wikipedia Lezgi - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34223  +comment (10Saint Johann)
[23:49:53] <Kymchi>	 I'm not sure if anyone can help me but I'm looking for an extension that will highlight recent changes in an article. I'd like to be able to set it for a certain period of time. Lets say I want changes to be highlighted for 30 days. Does something like that exist? I found one called "On-article diff highlighting" but it shows as unstable. Does anyone know of any others?
[23:53:17] <sumanah>	 Kymchi: you could possibly hook something into WikiBlame?
[23:53:20] <sumanah>	 aka WikiPraise?
[23:53:25] <sumanah>	 http://wikimedia.de/wiki/Aktivit%C3%A4ten#WikiPraise
[23:53:27] <sumanah>	 not sure
[23:58:36] <Kymchi>	 Yeah it sort of does what I'm looking for, I'll have to look into it. Thank you sumanah
[23:59:13] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Cannot input specific text into editor "inetd -f /etc/inetd.conf" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35575 normal; MediaWiki: Page editing; (seunghyo.chun)