[00:02:45] 03(mod) Review of OnlineStatusBar extension - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/32128 +design; +comment (10Sumana Harihareswara) [00:04:23] 03(NEW) github link on 'about' screen opens in app instead of Safari - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35710 normal; Wikipedia App: Settings; (brion) [00:06:28] 03kaldari * 10/trunk/extensions/PageTriage/ (4 files in 4 dirs): adding sort direction support, getting rid of some old unused code, and various bits of clean-up [00:10:36] <^demon> AaronSchulz: Could we commit wikimedia-periodic-update.sh to master so I can remove the silly hack in make-wmf-branch for it? [00:12:03] 03laner * 10/trunk/extensions/OpenStackManager/ (OpenStackManager.i18n.php OpenStackNovaUser.php): [00:12:03] * Fixing global role search [00:12:03] * Adding in a missing message [00:12:57] 03maxsem * 10/trunk/extensions/GeoData/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Introduced a setting to specify the number of gt_*_int's per degree, will need to be set to a higher number on WMF [00:16:20] 03(mod) Install extension:SubpageSortkey on wikibooks - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/22911 +comment (10Sumana Harihareswara) [00:18:29] 03laner * 10/trunk/extensions/OpenStackManager/special/SpecialNovaDomain.php: Fix call to class function [00:22:35] ^demon: what does wikimedia-periodic-update.sh do? [00:23:04] it can't go in the wmf maintenance ext? [00:24:08] 03laner * 10/trunk/extensions/OpenStackManager/special/ (3 files): Adding style missing from some list pages [00:24:30] maplebed: is copper being restarted/worked on? [00:26:17] New code comment: Ryan lane; Not until friday.; [00:27:52] 03(mod) github link on 'about' screen opens in app instead of Safari - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35710 +comment (10Brion Vibber) [00:29:48] <^demon> AaronSchulz: It belongs to FlaggedRevs, I assumed you knew :p [00:31:18] ^demon: I'd prefer it go in wikimediamaintenance [00:31:25] then we'd just have to update the cron [00:31:36] <^demon> Wherever's fine. [00:33:29] 03laner * 10/trunk/extensions/OpenStackManager/OpenStackManager.php: Upping version to 1.4 [00:33:43] AaronSchulz: not by me. [00:36:05] New patchset: Demon; "Moving wikimedia-periodic-update.sh from SVN to git." [mediawiki/extensions/WikimediaMaintenance] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4317 [00:37:15] New review: Aaron Schulz; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/WikimediaMaintenance] (master); V: 1 C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4317 [00:37:18] Change merged: Aaron Schulz; [mediawiki/extensions/WikimediaMaintenance] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4317 [00:39:57] 03demon * 10/trunk/tools/make-wmf-branch/ (default.conf make-wmf-branch): [00:39:58] Initial overhaul to make make-wmf-branch work with git [00:39:58] Todo list: [00:39:58] * Implement $specialExtensions so we can snag the commit hash from the old branch [00:39:59] * Implement $patches so we can copy any hacks over (not needed for first deploy) [00:40:00] * Implement $preservedItems to be copied over from the old branch [00:45:39] 03(mod) High-density display issues on mobile devices (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/32101 +comment (10Marcin Cieślak) [00:47:46] 03kaldari * 10/trunk/extensions/PageTriage/ (2 files in 2 dirs): adding support for offsets to ApiPageTriageList.php [01:03:01] * AaronSchulz wishes php had an "infinity" type "number" sometimes [01:07:50] 03(FIXED) Reassociate IP address doesn't work - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33402 +comment (10Ryan Lane) [01:10:31] 03(FIXED) Special:NovaKey&action=import has duplicate fieldset - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33427 +comment (10Ryan Lane) [01:11:49] AaronSchulz: like INF? [01:11:54] http://au.php.net/manual/en/math.constants.php [01:13:26] hmm, that might be nice for avoid special case logic for things like "if ( start < end )" where no end is given [01:13:57] * AaronSchulz wonders why such constants are used nowhere in mw [01:16:33] AaronSchulz: ^_^ Probably because few of us know about them [01:17:50] This makes everything feel like home: http://p.defau.lt/?6ukzdwLVMkBH1q_OYjuAXg [01:18:51] * AaronSchulz will start using this sorcery from now on [01:25:53] * DanielFriesen should turn these php pieces into a JS like api ;) [01:26:49] Any wikitech-l admins around? [01:27:41] you want me to block that Valentina spam? [01:27:49] Yep [01:27:57] 03(mod) userPromote.php: Grants an account administrator rights (maintenance) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35623 +comment (10Pablo Castellano (IRC: pablog)) [01:28:06] I will, but note that mailman doesn't have any spam filtering ability really [01:28:14] :/ [01:28:16] thanks [01:28:20] the only reason it doesn't get spammed to death is because of the kindness of spammers [01:28:21] it can use the mail server's [01:28:35] just look for the spam score rating [01:31:55] you know on a lot of GNU lists they don't even hold posts from nonmembers, they just let all the spam through [01:32:04] they say spam filtering is a client-side responsibility [01:32:19] TimStarling: I thought ours went via spamassain, or don't we do that anymore? [01:33:42] I don't see any spamassassin headers from wikimedia, do you? [01:34:03] anyway spamassassin doesn't stop all spam [01:34:25] if we allowed posts from nonmembers but blocked everything with a high spam score, there would be loads of spam on our mailing lists [01:34:47] and it's not like subscribing is hard [01:35:21] and if a spammer couldn't be bothered subscribing they can just forge the from address, if it's a list member then mailman will accept it [01:35:49] that's why I say the main reason we don't get spam on the lists is because of kindness [01:36:02] maybe i was thinking of otrs or anything list group i'm on or something [01:36:11] spammers must be too kind to spam all mailman instances into nonexistence [01:46:51] mailman is horrible software [01:47:00] someone should make a shiny bloated web 2.0 version [01:47:57] Prodego: there is sympa, but the interface is also kinda sucky [01:48:13] IIRC there exists no mailing list software that does not suck balls. [01:49:16] * DanielFriesen plugs his ears [02:02:07] New patchset: Aaron Schulz; "[FileBackend] Syncing from journal support. * Added FileJournal::getChangeEntries() and FileBackend::getJournal(). * Added a script to sync one file backend from another, using the journal of the later. * Removed some overzealous exception catching in Fil" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4029 [02:03:21] New review: jenkins-bot; "Build Successful " [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 1 C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4029 [02:44:36] Does anyone still use checkSyntax.php --modified? [02:44:45] It won't work properly with a Git checkout. [02:44:51] It was made for svn. [02:49:55] v [02:54:07] Prodego: MailChimp ;) [03:02:16] 03(mod) [[Special:MyPage]] should not discard URL parameters - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35060 +comment (10Derrick Coetzee) [03:53:19] 03tstarling * 10/trunk/extensions/Scripting/ (4 files in 2 dirs): [03:53:19] * Remove old-fashioned "m" prefix from member variables [03:53:19] * Make ScriptingEngineBase::getDefaultOptions() non-abstract since there is a reasonable default behaviour which can be implemented [04:05:40] 03(mod) DPL needs ability of plaintext result - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31021 +comment (10Amgine) [04:07:01] 03(mod) [[Special:MyPage]] should not discard URL parameters - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35060 +comment (10Derrick Coetzee) [04:07:34] GSoC question: I'm budgeting ~70/134 days on coding and running some usability tests against human beings. Is that too little? Too much? [04:10:04] ask sumana [04:10:34] but it's a bit too late in the day to expect an immediate answer, you should probably use email [04:11:22] New patchset: Aaron Schulz; "[FileRepo] Various code cleanups: * Made File::isHashed() wrap FileRepo::getHashLevels(). Removed now-used FileRepo::isHashed(). * Removed FileRepo::simpleClean(). Not useful anymore since the paths in Status errors don't have $IP or upload dirs anymore. " [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4319 [04:12:03] well that is ~60ish spare days, what would you plan to do with those? [04:12:36] New review: jenkins-bot; "Build Successful " [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 1 C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4319 [04:36:15] 03(mod) DPL needs ability of plaintext result - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31021 +comment (10Bawolff) [04:37:39] bah. xe should just get onto IRC and I could waste xyr time directly. [04:42:14] xe? [04:42:49] https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/xe [04:53:36] varnent: hi greg, [04:53:51] chughakshay16: greetings [04:54:41] varnent: i have gone over the mentor signup list.. the ones left in that list are in no way associated with wikimania or any other conference related activities for that matter. [04:55:53] varnent: its just unlikely that these people would be interested in such a thing [04:56:45] chughakshay16: not sure about that - but in any case - I'm at a loss for other places to try and find mentors other than the places we talked about [04:57:11] chughakshay16: Reedy and others involved with Wikimania are the folks implementing the existing forms - so they seem like the most logical group [04:57:13] varnent: will there be any more mentor signups till april 23rd ? [04:57:31] *before april 23rd [04:58:08] chughakshay16: student applications are due April 6th - and mentors can be recruited before then or volunteers are welcome to offer to be a mentor on the wikipage [04:59:08] varnent: what if I submit my application and someone got interested in it after april 6th.. would he be allowed to sign up as a mentor? [04:59:47] chughakshay16: yes - although mentor interest is something that will be looked at in the proposals [05:01:14] varnent: i know i have worked hard for this.. but no seems interested in the project at this moment.. so that's kind of disappointing :( [05:01:58] chughakshay16: I think it's more that the folks interested are rather busy with other things unfortunately - the timing is problematic as things are in high gear for wikimania ops folks [05:02:28] varnent: Bacon is a perfectly fine name to address an email to :| [05:02:55] chughakshay16: lol - I just couldn't bring myself to do to :) [05:02:57] varnent: yeah , that may be true because no one at #wikimania n #wikimania-2012 channels seem to reply.. [05:03:53] varnent: so what do you suggest should i still submit my proposal .. ? [05:03:55] chughakshay16: well - it's also a matter of trying at different times and such - keep in mind folks are in different time zones - fair number of the folks are in NYC/DC time zone [05:04:33] chughakshay16: well - you won't get anything by not submitting it - so it won't hurt to submit it - but between now and the deadline I would keep trying for mentor and such [05:04:59] p858snake|l: I was planning on using them as a) time to properly test and integrate code (as recommended in the submission guidelines) b) buffer room, because I'm sure designing UIs people are happy with using will take longer than I can reasonably estimate. [05:05:13] varnent: i even tried mailing wikimania people.. but i guess what you said was right.. that they might have been busy themselves with some other work. [05:05:27] chughakshay16: it looks like you were in the 2012 room for about an hour - which might not capture a lot of folks unfortunately [05:05:32] Also, sorry for the exceedingly slow reply -- I had a minor emergency elsewhere and the computer decided to crash in order to make things more interesting. [05:05:57] chughakshay16: right - and different people read different things - user page for Reedy or other names that ppl may have suggested is also a good idea [05:06:29] varnent: well most of the time i just find volunteer people in those channels.. :| [05:06:59] chughakshay16: right - well - almost all the mentors and a vast majority of people in MediaWiki - myself included - are volunteers :) [05:07:36] varnent: :) [05:08:17] chughakshay16: sumanah and a handful of others in GSOC are staff or contractors - but like many open source projects in GSOC - we're mostly a volunteer operation [05:10:25] varnent: but the people who i talked to in #wikimania channel made me believe that volunteers are the ones who manage event type activities ... n not something related to development stuff n all.. [05:10:35] varnent: i was mistaken obviously .. :) [05:10:55] chughakshay16: volunteers do run the event type activities as well [05:10:57] Volunteers do most everything here. [05:11:28] chughakshay16: and it's often the same group - I'm on the program committee for wikimania - and most of the folks in that room can be found in here at some point :) [05:12:20] <- no longer volunteers for *anything*, *ever*> [05:12:27] chughakshay16: there's a paid consultant for wikimania - but not for technical things - they manage logistical things - so not related to this at all [05:12:36] varnent: and what do the fund-raising people do..? [05:12:50] varnent: do they also develop code...? [05:12:50] chughakshay16: what do you mean? the fundraising people? [05:13:20] chughakshay16: they rely on the same group of developers as everyone within WMF - basically the folks in this channel on listserv - but again - mostly volunteers [05:13:48] varnent: i mean on some user pages ,i have seen this word 'fund-raising' written.. [05:13:54] chughakshay16: there is paid tech staff helping with fundraising - but there are a much larger number of volunteers than paid folks [05:14:04] chughakshay16: I guess I don't follow.. [05:14:26] chughakshay16: fundraising is in context to getting donations to support wikimedia [05:14:34] varnent: see this for example - http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Pgehres_(WMF) [05:15:12] chughakshay16: right - that person works for WMF as a staffer - I still don't follow.. [05:15:49] varnent: so does people on the fundraising team develop code.. ? [05:15:49] chughakshay16: you're welcome to contact them on their talk page - but staff aren't required to participate in GSOC or anything [05:16:12] Some, yes. [05:16:14] varnent: but their names has been displayed on mediawiki gsoc page [05:16:19] chughakshay16: well - the "fundraising team" is large and includes people doing all sorts of different things - but yes - there are people on that team that develop code [05:16:51] chughakshay16: if they indicated they'd like to be a mentor - feel free to contact them - again - I'm confused what you're asking about.. [05:17:36] chughakshay16: if they volunteered to be a mentor - then they develop code [05:17:43] varnent: i just wanted to know if people on fund-raising team would be interested in working with me on my project. [05:17:51] chughakshay16: whatever their role within Wikimedia may be [05:17:54] varnent: okay, i got ur point [05:18:09] chughakshay16: it's worth a try :) [05:18:31] varnent: yes thats exactly what i seem to think.. :) [05:18:53] chughakshay16: great - good idea [05:20:19] varnent: seeing peter's timezone .. i think he would here now. [05:20:55] *i think he would be here now.. [05:21:02] chughakshay16: some folks use IRC more than others - so user page and email are good alternative ways to try [05:21:29] varnent: will try to find him here.. if not then will mail him for sure [05:22:02] Peter would probably be in #wikimedia-fundraising [05:22:32] varnent: okay, thanks so much for your time.. :) [05:22:48] you're welcome :) [05:22:49] varnent: i really needed someone to guide me in the right direction. [05:23:11] chughakshay16: thats [05:23:14] varnent: nd u did.. so thanks again for all ur help [05:23:17] that's what we're here for..well..generally :) [05:24:29] Amgine: isn't there a phrase about "I'm committed to saying no to everything - except the things I say yes to?" in mimic of your pledge not to volunteer for things except for all the things you volunteer for :) [05:25:11] Yes. I mean no. I mean, why do you as? [05:25:13] ask [05:25:28] exactly [05:34:58] Just checking (apologies for question triviality): gadgets would just be included javascript files, and extensions are server-executed PHP files, right? [05:35:19] I mean, that makes perfect sense and falls in line with what I've read. I just don't want to seem completely clueless in my proposal. [05:38:52] Well, things aren't quite so cut-and-dried, Baconprime, but generically yes. [05:39:41] Amgine: Aah; thanks :). [05:53:30] 03(mod) Deploy InteractiveBlockMessage on enwiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/32819 +comment (10MZMcBride) [05:55:15] varnent: there ? [05:55:34] drecodeam: yuppers [05:56:05] Hmmmm... http://progit.org/book/ch6-7.html [05:56:06] hey, i wanted to talk to the developers of the flickr tools on toolserver, but i could not find them on IRC last night. [05:56:18] would it be okay if i can send them a mail ? [05:56:32] drecodeam: absolutely - or try their user talk page [05:57:02] varnent: actually since the GSoC submission is tomorrow, i think that mail would get a faster response [05:57:30] drecodeam: whatever works - but yes - I think that's fine to do [05:58:21] one more thing, i have started understanding UploadWizard extension's code, and wanted to improve its documentation [05:58:49] is there any guide to writing documentation and whom should i get it reviewed from before putting it on the docs page ? [06:01:18] is this on the mediawiki.org site? [06:01:48] apergos: you referring to the docs of Upload Wizard ? [06:01:55] uh huh [06:03:16] apergos: ya it is here : https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:UploadWizard/docs. The original developer was NeilK, but he has left WikiMedia foundation now i guess [06:03:47] yes, he has [06:04:13] I don't know that we have a style guide, and the rule of thumb has been: it's a wiki, please improve it [06:04:48] anything is better than nothing [06:05:37] since i am new to this, i wanted it to be reviewed before i put it there [06:07:01] just put it in there, or if you are really worried, you can do it in your userspace then bug someone to look at it [06:07:35] p858snake|l: ok, i would do that. Thanks [06:09:37] On second thoughts, i it would be nice if we have some documentation conventions/ starting points like the coding conventions, it becomes a good start for people just starting with it. [06:10:21] Hi there. I'm having a database error and was wondering if somebody can help me. [06:11:55] Is there anybody online that can help? [06:12:36] Mases: I can't help, but it'd help those who probably could if you'd describe/relay the error that you're getting :). [06:13:40] I uploaded an image at my Wiki on accident that was larger than the 2mb limit. I've since deleted it, but every time I try to upload a new image I get an error saying... [06:13:43] "The file you uploaded seems to be empty. This might be due to a typo in the filename. Please check whether you really want to upload this file." [06:14:29] When I go to my list images page... http://darksidersdungeon.net/wiki/Special:ListFiles I see a Database error. [06:14:55] how did you delete the file? [06:17:32] Just by clicking delete from the drop-down [06:17:39] I since restored it, trying to fix the error [06:17:59] Now when I try to delete it gives me an error of.... "Error deleting file: Could not create directory "deleted/o/j/h"." [06:19:18] 03(NEW) Category index does not reflect the titles properly - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35711 major; MediaWiki: Templates; (arjunaraoc) [06:24:20] http://progit.org/2010/03/08/rerere.html [06:25:59] DanielFriesen is that intended for me [06:26:04] no [06:44:47] New review: Siebrand; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master); V: 1 C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3861 [06:44:50] Change merged: Siebrand; [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3861 [06:47:31] New review: Siebrand; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/Narayam] (master); V: 0 C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3514 [06:47:48] New review: Siebrand; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/Narayam] (master); V: 1 C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3514 [06:47:51] Change merged: Siebrand; [mediawiki/extensions/Narayam] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3514 [06:51:00] 03kaldari * 10/trunk/extensions/PageTriage/modules/ext.pageTriage.views/ext.pageTriage.listView.css: follow-up to r114689 - fixing indentation [06:51:23] New review: Siebrand; "Please get rid of the variable usage I pointed out in an inline comment." [mediawiki/extensions/Narayam] (master); V: 0 C: -1; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4043 [06:51:32] New code comment: Kaldari; fixed in r114734.; [06:53:16] 03(mod) Add enotif on page changes in watchlist (guwiki and source) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35694 (10Alexandre Emsenhuber [IAlex]) [07:13:06] New review: Siebrand; "See inline comments." [mediawiki/extensions/TranslationNotifications] (master); V: 0 C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4064 [07:24:34] 03kaldari * 10/trunk/extensions/PageTriage/ (5 files in 4 dirs): making the more button work, fixing some context issues [07:31:13] 03(mod) Can't click on you have a new message on cs.wikipedia RC page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31651 +comment (10Niklas Laxström) [07:36:18] GSoC Question: Is there anyone around who could take a quick look over a project proposal? ( http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Baconprime/GSoC2012 ) [07:46:36] aharoni: hi [07:46:56] New review: Nikerabbit; "I'd prefer if single quotes could be used for anything that goes through the parser to avoid ugly es..." [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4312 [07:52:08] gwicke: If you've got a moment, could you spare a glance at ( http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Baconprime/GSoC2012 )? I'd really appreciate any feedback/expressed interest in project! :) [07:55:17] baconprime: there is some potential overlap with both the visual editor and the Lua scripting projects [07:55:57] the enthusiasm for a specialized solution only for taxoboxes might be limited [07:57:18] gwicke: Agreed. I planned to generalize the project out to any sidebox-style widget after the summer, but that wasn't formalized as a milestone ... [07:58:03] baconprime: we hope to support inline editing for most templates including sideboxes in the visual editor [07:58:07] Does it make sense to try to solve this particular, moderately nasty problem, and then use that foundation to write something that works in the general case? [07:58:17] 03tstarling * 10/trunk/extensions/Scripting/ (8 files in 3 dirs): (log message trimmed) [07:58:17] * Removed scriptlinks table. It just seemed the same as templatelinks to me, and tl_namespace can be used if you want to separate out modules. [07:58:17] * Used Parser::fetchTemplateAndTitle() to get modules and register them in templatelinks. Most of the logic was previously duplicated. [07:58:17] * Changed the configuration and factory functions to allow for the possibility of multiple engines coexisting on the one wiki. [07:58:18] * Made the $parser parameter optional, to improve debugging in the case where a parser is needed but parsing has not started. Removed all $wgParser references. [07:58:19] * Renamed Scripting::getEngine() to getParserEngine() and resetEngine() to resetParserEngine() [07:58:20] * Removed setOptions() and updateOptions(). If you want to change the options, you can always make a new instance. [07:59:19] gwicke: just to make sure that we're on the same page, when you mention the visual editor you mean ( http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Visual_editor ), and for lua scripting ( http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Lua_scripting )? [07:59:20] baconprime: it would be nice if much of what you would be working on could be reused [07:59:34] baconprime: yep [08:00:28] gwicke: Again, that's totally my intent! As touched on in the internationalization section, if I only target the automatic taxobox, I'm writing a gadget that can only be used on the english language Wikipedia and on absolutely nothing else. [08:01:23] gwicke: Thank you for the thought to look into the visual editor; I'll update my plans to focus more on eventual integration with it. [08:01:51] baconprime: you could talk to Trevor about doing a widget in the visual editor [08:02:34] gwicke: Apologies for the constant verification, but ( http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Trevor_Parscal )? [08:02:37] we will expose template arguments in a rendered page using RDFa, so that the editor can potentially let the user change parameters directly in the sidebox [08:02:40] It'd be awfully embarassing to ask the worng person :| [08:02:56] yep, that is the right Trevor ;) [08:03:30] baconprime: you could also check out the wikitext-l archives [08:04:00] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.science.linguistics.wikipedia.wikitext [08:07:17] gwicke: Aah; I can definitely see where a template editor would fit in nicely. This is in-line with what I had in mind for real-time previews in the proposal except ... on a much larger scale. [08:09:15] I am restarting jenkins [08:09:24] baconprime: even if you don't build directly on top of the visual editor, it might still be useful to use a similar approach [08:10:01] would make is more likely to be reusable / portable to the visual editor [08:10:10] gwicke: Now that you've pointed it out, it would seem a waste to at least plan for eventual integration ... [08:12:55] gwicke: OK, I'm thinking this: by deliverable five, the interface should work with all taxoboxes on the english wikipedia, and with minimal modification work on most other languages. [08:13:37] baconprime: building an editor around marked up output sections (e.g., using RDFa) would be very close to the approach planned for the visual editor [08:14:04] and could potentially be added directly in the template in the meantime [08:14:42] I would definitely avoid writing a custom parser [08:14:42] It's rather late for me; could you clarify what you mean by added directly into the template? [08:15:12] RDFa markup could be placed around template parameter expansions [08:15:25] Aah. [08:16:04] we will do that automatically in Parsoid, but it could as well be done manually for a project like yours [08:18:19] baconprime: {{{fossil_range}}} or something like that [08:19:10] gwicke: that wouldn't be too hard to fit into the first listed milestone; plus, it'd help tremendously to not have to write a parser for mediawiki templating syntax. [08:19:32] yep [08:20:10] you could also use Parsoid- it is written in JS and could be ported to run on the client [08:20:19] but I'd avoid the complication if not needed [08:21:29] I'll look into it, though. It doesn't look like it uses too many node-specific modules. [08:21:39] (just from a glance) [08:21:47] New review: Hashar; "merging despite Jenkins build failure which is unrelated to this change." [mediawiki/core] (REL1_18); V: 1 C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4300 [08:22:11] Change merged: Hashar; [mediawiki/core] (REL1_18) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4300 [08:22:22] baconprime: yep, I would not expect it to be too hard to make it run on in a modern browser [08:23:09] gwicke: Ah, that's something that I was meaning to ask: obviously these designs should degrade gracefully across browsers, but how far back is the mediawiki standard? Should I be testing on IE6? [08:23:33] the visual editor aims for IE7+ afaik [08:23:50] but I would not worry about IE at all initially [08:24:32] New review: Hashar; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 1 C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4197 [08:24:35] Change merged: Hashar; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4197 [08:24:47] Sounds wonderful :D. I'll ammend my outline to include some of the points above discussed. [08:26:05] baconprime: this might also be interesting: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Parsoid/HTML5_DOM_with_microdata [08:26:18] and http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.science.linguistics.wikipedia.wikitext/512 [08:27:25] we had some vague ideas about using schema information to create edit widgets for templates [08:27:56] 03(NEW) Add an alias to Help namespace in ml.wikisource - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35712 enhancement; Wikimedia: Site requests; (vssun9) [08:28:38] if you assume RDFa (or microdata) markup in the DOM, it might be possible to build a generic editor for RDFa items [08:28:58] 03(FIXED) 404 Not Found "legal.html" on dump mirrors - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35564 +comment (10Ariel T. Glenn) [08:29:30] My issue with being to general to begin with is that I'd lose some of the focus that I get from concentrating on the taxobox: [08:29:50] I didn't want to bite of more than I could chew :). [08:29:59] *I would get from [08:31:40] it would still make sense to avoid hard-coding parameter types for taxoboxes- which is where a schema could come in I guess [08:32:07] could also help with i18n [08:32:45] hi,how to get data from database to page mediawiki? [08:35:27] !api | Guest94178 [08:35:27] Guest94178: The MediaWiki API provides direct, high-level access to the data contained in the MediaWiki databases. Client programs should be able to use the API to login, get data, and post changes. Find out more at . For client libraries in various languages, see . [08:47:00] New review: Krinkle; "Please add unit tests for the changes in mw.Message in ./tests/qunit/mediawiki.test.js" [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: -1; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4055 [08:48:17] New review: Hashar; "Maybe redo it with smaller commits? :-D" [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: -2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4319 [08:48:36] New review: Krinkle; "That is ./tests/qunit/suites/resources/mediawiki/mediawiki.test.js *" [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: -1; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4055 [08:51:27] varnent: hello! [08:55:38] ashley: hi! [08:56:11] Nikerabbit: hi [08:56:28] New review: Krinkle; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: -1; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4055 [08:58:47] gwicke: Thank you very much for your suggestions (and thank you 2x as much for the links and the reference)! I'm off for the night, but again, thank you! This is the second time I've tried applying for GSoC, and the first that someone at my target organization would speak to me. G'night! [08:59:15] baconprime: glad I could help a bit ;) [08:59:17] good night! [09:26:47] 03(mod) Line spacing in Featured Article paragraph too cramped - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33665 +comment (10Jon) [09:32:54] Ahah... [09:32:59] Some more git magic [09:33:06] I don't need a long git log line [09:33:17] `git whatchanged ` [09:33:32] A log of commits that modified a specific file. [09:34:13] it seems I can do a #ifexist: check with {{#ifeq:{{:{{{1}}}}}|[[:{{FULLPAGENAME:{{{1}}}}}]]|{{{3|}}}|{{{2|}}}}} and this doesn't adds expensive parser function count? [09:34:28] so what if I use it widely? [09:35:50] 03jeroendedauw * 10/trunk/extensions/EducationProgram/ (76 files in 5 dirs): fixed license for stuff my rename missed [09:43:41] 03(NEW) ParserFunction #time: wrong day when combining next with a relative time - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35713 normal; MediaWiki: Parser; (shadowtweaker) [09:57:51] sooooo.... [09:58:01] how do i push stuff to "my" development branch? [09:58:10] do i have to go via review? [09:58:16] ...and then review myself? [09:58:48] mutante: can you tell me? [09:58:59] i'm getting this: [09:59:02] To ssh://daniel@gerrit.wikimedia.org:29418/mediawiki/core.git [09:59:04] ! [remote rejected] Wikidata -> Wikidata (prohibited by Gerrit) [10:06:56] 03(mod) Ugly non-latin links - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/7329 +comment (10Raimond Spekking) [10:08:33] 03(mod) Redirects to Images on Shared Repos do not work - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/18248 +comment (10Rd232) [10:09:08] Denny_WMDE: hi [10:09:13] hi saper [10:09:15] Daniel_WMDE: which command? [10:09:22] Denny_WMDE: er I mean Daniel [10:09:23] :) [10:09:39] ohh, no greetings for me :´( [10:09:49] Daniel_WMDE: you can't "freely" remote create branches on gerrit's git [10:09:57] saper: git push origin Wikidata [10:09:58] Daniel_WMDE: Alles Gute aus Frankfurt :) [10:10:05] saper: chad set up the branch for me [10:10:08] it exists [10:10:08] Daniel_WMDE: and origin is ssh://daniel@gerrit.wikimedia.org:29418/mediawiki/core.git ? [10:10:12] now i want to modify it [10:10:21] let me check [10:10:21] saper: yes [10:10:57] saper: i'm now trying git review to push it, btu that doesn't work either. " missing Change-Id in commit message". whatever that means [10:11:27] btw. this is good https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Git/Workflow#Setup_SSH_shortcut_.28optional.29 [10:11:34] Daniel_WMDE: you need a hook [10:11:50] but normally git review downloads a hook for you [10:11:58] got any in .git/hooks/commit-msg ? [10:13:08] if not, scp -P 29418 daniel@gerrit.wikimedia.org:hooks/commit-msg .git/hooks/commit-msg [10:13:16] hashar: Can you please reply to the last two threads at http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Git/Workflow? [10:13:42] Daniel_WMDE: do you have lots of commits or only one? [10:13:47] without change-id [10:13:50] aharoni: might this afternoon :) [10:13:55] aharoni: why don't use wikitech-l ? [10:14:08] it is afternoon already! :) [10:14:13] it's not for me, it's for somebody who's not there. [10:14:15] saper: two, actually. but i can drop the second one, it's just the .gitreview files that were missing. not totally sure committing them is the right thing anyway. [10:14:21] saper: so afterlunch :-D [10:14:31] but i don't know how i'd get rid of that commit anyway :) git revert, i guess [10:14:37] Daniel_WMDE: no no [10:14:44] git --amend or git commit -c [10:14:45] aharoni: I am busy with the monthly report. Will have a look at them later on [10:15:13] hashar: no problem [10:15:15] Daniel_WMDE: what you can do - you can kind of roll back a bit your "HEAD" two commits back and commit again [10:15:51] saper: before i get completely confused... *should* i be able to just push to that branch if i'm the owner? *am* i the owner of the branch? [10:15:56] where can i check this? [10:16:09] Daniel_WMDE: in admin interface of gerrit [10:17:25] Daniel_WMDE: which project is this? https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#admin,projects [10:17:42] it's lowercase "wikidata" [10:17:49] oh no [10:17:58] saper: the project is core [10:18:03] uppercase [10:18:05] saper: the branch is Wikidata [10:18:12] and i see no way to see ownership [10:18:43] Daniel_WMDE: can you try "git push origin HEAD:refs/heads/Wikidata" ? [10:19:59] ! [remote rejected] HEAD -> Wikidata (prohibited by Gerrit)saper: [10:20:43] hm [10:20:51] but there is some stuff from you there [10:21:00] https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/gitweb?p=mediawiki/core.git;a=commit;h=a300cb7ed2c1a955863908243ea0b6da09d8fc77 [10:21:43] saper: these commits were imported from svn by platonides yesterday [10:21:52] i have not pushed anythign to that branch myself before [10:21:57] yeah so I thought [10:22:35] I don't know ... gerrit permissions are broken for me [10:22:56] I couldn't get them right even on my own instance of gerrit [10:23:31] well but you can go for review anyway [10:23:59] does "git push origin HEAD:refs/for/Wikidata" fail with "No Change ID" error? [10:24:38] saper: no. it fails with [remote rejected] HEAD -> Wikidata (prohibited by Gerrit) [10:24:52] saper: uh, tehre's a wikidata group in gerrit. it's empty, and i'm not the owner [10:24:55] even for "refs/for/Wikidata" ? [10:24:56] who can set this up? [10:25:11] hashar, ^demon|away ^^? [10:25:22] gah [10:25:31] so, i have to wait until tonight? [10:25:32] there is no such group really ;) [10:25:36] that's a bit horrible [10:25:41] but why "refs/for/Wikidata" fails? [10:26:00] saper: ah, you are right. [remote rejected] HEAD -> refs/for/Wikidata (missing Change-Id in commit message) [10:26:04]