[00:15:27] New review: Catrope; "Looks good, not +2ing yet because master is a deployment branch now and I need a list of what needs ..." [mediawiki/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5] (master); V: 0 C: 1; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4187 [00:22:01] Is there a way to use webfonts in a page? [00:32:24] 03(mod) Scrolling within Wikipedia app is slow and sluggish - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35777 +comment (10Yuvi Panda) [00:34:06] 03(mod) iPhone app view through location leaves you in weird ui state - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31572 +comment (10Yuvi Panda) [00:35:22] 03(FIXED) PhoneGap-based iOS app needs API key for Facebook sharing? - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33968 +comment (10Yuvi Panda) [00:36:13] 03(mod) Don't block loading the settings screen while waiting on the lang list to load - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34879 +comment (10Yuvi Panda) [00:37:56] 03(mod) Contributor list has duplicates - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34758 +comment (10Yuvi Panda) [00:38:24] 03(FIXED) Back buttons are not consistent from the About us screen on iOS - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34908 (10Yuvi Panda) [00:39:35] 03(mod) Wikipedia Mobile on iOS is sluggish after button presses - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35778 +comment (10Yuvi Panda) [00:40:06] 03(mod) iOS 4.2 Keyboard is not getting dismissed after full screen search scroll - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35832 (10Yuvi Panda) [00:43:45] 03kaldari * 10/trunk/extensions/PageTriage/modules/ (2 files in 2 dirs): fixing bug where moreToLoad was not getting updated after changing filters, making sure that lastArticle[0] is defined before we try to use lastArticle[0].attributes.pageid [00:53:11] New review: Catrope; "Looks good generally, but the queries updating the counts need fixing" [mediawiki/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5] (master); V: 0 C: -1; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4188 [00:54:24] New review: Catrope; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5] (master); V: 0 C: -1; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4188 [00:54:57] New review: Catrope; "Reminder to self: squash this into its predecessor" [mediawiki/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5] (master); V: 0 C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4189 [00:55:45] New review: Catrope; "-1 because this needs squashing" [mediawiki/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5] (master); V: 0 C: -1; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4189 [00:56:28] New review: Catrope; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5] (master); V: 0 C: 1; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4190 [01:00:04] New patchset: Catrope; "First set of toolbox icons" [mediawiki/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4190 [01:00:48] New review: Catrope; "(Patchset 2 is a rebase onto master, in order to make this change not depend on change 4189)" [mediawiki/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5] (master); V: 0 C: 1; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4190 [01:05:20] 03(NEW) centralauth db has myisam tables in production - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35872 normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (afeldman) [01:16:08] New patchset: Catrope; "Fix for bug 35391 activity bug count issues" [mediawiki/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4188 [01:16:09] New patchset: Catrope; "Fix for 34883 - the feature request portion now a plain gray mask is shown for permalinks to all users - click through only for those with permissions" [mediawiki/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4187 [01:17:16] New patchset: Catrope; "Fix for bug 35391 activity bug count issues" [mediawiki/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4188 [01:17:36] Change abandoned: Catrope; "Squashed into change 4188" [mediawiki/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4189 [01:19:02] New review: Catrope; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5] (master); V: 0 C: 1; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4187 [01:19:38] New review: Catrope; "Resetting -1 for the inline comments on patchset 1" [mediawiki/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5] (master); V: 0 C: -1; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4188 [01:23:06] New patchset: Catrope; "First set of toolbox icons" [mediawiki/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4190 [01:24:28] Change abandoned: Catrope; "Squashed into change 4190" [mediawiki/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4213 [01:25:28] New review: Catrope; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5] (master); V: 0 C: 1; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4190 [01:26:44] New review: Catrope; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5] (master); V: 1 C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4370 [01:26:47] Change merged: Catrope; [mediawiki/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4370 [01:32:18] 03(FIXED) iPhone app view through location leaves you in weird ui state - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31572 +comment (10Brion Vibber) [01:34:57] New patchset: Catrope; "Fix for bug 35391 activity bug count issues" [mediawiki/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4188 [01:35:13] New review: Catrope; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5] (master); V: 0 C: -1; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4188 [01:46:31] 03(NEW) 3.1.2 iOS: blank space left at bottom of screen on iPad - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35873 normal; Wikipedia App: Generic; (brion) [01:48:21] 03(NEW) Separate projects and groups - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35874 normal; MediaWiki extensions: OpenStackManager; (rlane32) [01:58:54] 03(FIXED) 3.1.2 iOS: blank space left at bottom of screen on iPad - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35873 +comment (10Yuvi Panda) [02:07:52] New patchset: Aaron Schulz; "Set +x bit on update-extensions." [mediawiki/extensions] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4674 [02:23:01] Is https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=29209 really a good feature? I would like to work on it [02:38:39] 03(mod) Send full SSL certificate chain including root CA on gerrit.wikimedia.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35709 +comment (10Jeremy Baron) [02:43:35] 03(mod) Images rendering for high-DPI / high device pixel ratio / "retina" display - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35844 +comment (10Peter Wong) [03:29:40] New review: Catrope; "Broken, I'll look into this:" [mediawiki/extensions/Gadgets] (gadgetprefs); V: 0 C: -1; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4385 [03:32:57] 03(NEW) Inline 
 tag generated by extensions in list items should not be collapsed. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35875 blocker; MediaWiki extensions: SyntaxHighlight (GeSHi); (krinklemail)
[03:35:43] 	 03(mod) Inline 
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[03:38:18] 	 03(mod) Inline 
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[03:40:31] 	 03(mod) 
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[04:00:18] 	 03(mod) 
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[04:02:50] 	 03(mod) 
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[04:03:37] 	 03(mod) 
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[04:17:14] 	 03(mod) 
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[04:19:32] 	 03(mod) 
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[04:38:52] 	 hello my friends. I need some help. Could someone tell me if it is possible to get this site upgraded to the current version -- http://wiki.club-ubuntu.org
[05:40:25] 	 em: the channel is usually not busy at this time, you can good response if you try some other time :)
[05:40:51] 	 03(mod) LCStore_DB cache is not refreshed on action=purge - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35854  +comment (10Dmitriy Sintsov)
[06:20:18] 	 lo
[06:21:16] 	 New patchset: Amire80; "Fixing bug 35813." [mediawiki/extensions/MoodBar] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4675
[06:27:21] 	 03(mod) The arrow near "What is this?" in the MoodBar bubble points the wrong way in RTL environment. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35813  +comment (10Amir E. Aharoni)
[06:28:02] 	 03(NEW) logmsgbot/Morebots should create links to Gerrit - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35876 normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (raimond.spekking)
[06:39:24] 	 03(mod) RTL/bidirectional issues (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/745  (10Amir E. Aharoni)
[06:39:24] 	 03(NEW) The arrow near "Respond to this" in the MoodBar dashboard points the wrong way in RTL environment - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35877 normal; MediaWiki extensions: Moodbar; (amir.aharoni)
[06:42:19] 	 03(ASSIGNED) The arrow near "Respond to this" in the MoodBar dashboard points the wrong way in RTL environment - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35877  (10Amir E. Aharoni)
[06:45:57] 	 New review: Nikerabbit; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4674
[06:45:59] 	 Change merged: Nikerabbit; [mediawiki/extensions] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4674
[06:46:18] 	 New patchset: Amire80; "Fixing bug 35877." [mediawiki/extensions/MoodBar] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4676
[06:48:21] 	 New patchset: Amire80; "Fixing bug 35813." [mediawiki/extensions/MoodBar] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4675
[06:51:47] 	 03(mod) The arrow near "Respond to this" in the MoodBar dashboard points the wrong way in RTL environment - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35877  +comment (10Amir E. Aharoni)
[07:10:57] 	 03(mod) Failure of software to indicate some edit conflicts - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/12013  +comment (10Basil Lee)
[07:12:05] 	  i seem to need som assistance on mediawiki core. is this the place to ask?
[07:12:28] 	 you can try
[07:12:29] 	 03(NEW) Enable e-mail notifications for watchlist (EnotifWatchlist) on tawiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35878 normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (srik.lak)
[07:12:29] 	 03(mod) Tamil Wiki projects (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/32578  (10Srikanth Logic)
[07:16:08] 	 New review: Siebrand; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4660
[07:16:11] 	 Change merged: Siebrand; [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4660
[07:17:38] 	 New review: Siebrand; "Nice one. Looking forward to see how this performs!" [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4632
[07:17:40] 	 Change merged: Siebrand; [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4632
[07:32:10] 	 New patchset: Nikerabbit; "Revert "Avoid TranslateUtils::messageKeyToGroups in MessageHandle"" [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4679
[07:37:25] 	 New patchset: Nikerabbit; "Fixed undefined variables" [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4680
[07:37:42] 	 New review: Hashar; "test notification" [mediawiki/tools/codesniffer] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4678
[07:37:53] 	 New review: Hashar; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/tools/codesniffer] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4678
[07:37:55] 	 Change merged: Hashar; [mediawiki/tools/codesniffer] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4678
[07:38:01] 	 New review: Nikerabbit; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4680
[07:38:03] 	 Change merged: Nikerabbit; [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4680
[07:38:53] 	 Change abandoned: Nikerabbit; "Just did followup" [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4679
[07:41:02] 	 03(NEW) [Regression] WikiEditor can't be disabled on 1.20wmf1 / mediawiki.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35879 major; MediaWiki extensions: WikiEditor; (listenleser)
[07:50:48] 	 14(INVALID) Script adding a redundant row - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33682  +comment (10Beau)
[07:52:05] 	 03schuellersa *  10/trunk/extensions/SolrStore/SolrDoc.php: Instead of using the preg_replace use the MW's own XML sanitizer.
[07:52:24] 	 03(WONTFIX) MathJax doesn't allow abuse of \mathbb and other fonts for special characters - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35187  +comment (10Michael M.)
[08:02:19] 	 New patchset: Nikerabbit; "Get rid of obsolete code" [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4681
[08:02:20] 	 New patchset: Nikerabbit; "Get rid of unused method" [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4682
[08:11:35] 	 New review: Siebrand; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4681
[08:11:38] 	 Change merged: Siebrand; [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4681
[08:30:01] 	 New review: Siebrand; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4682
[08:30:04] 	 Change merged: Siebrand; [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4682
[08:34:49] 	 varnent: hi!
[08:38:24] 	 potter: hey there  :)
[08:40:34] 	 how can i fetch the complete relative url of [[WikiText]]?
[08:45:26] 	 potter: No class?
[08:45:35] 	 nischayn22: done \m/
[08:45:42] 	 New patchset: Nikerabbit; "Use more MessageHandle" [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4683
[08:45:49] 	 nischayn22: my class are from 8-2
[08:45:51] 	 when are your endsems starting?
[08:45:59] 	 nischayn22: 20th 
[08:46:16] 	 nischayn22: how about yours?
[08:46:30] 	 potter: similar dates, but the lab endsems already started
[08:46:53] 	 nischayn22: i have only one lab; on 16th
[08:47:12] 	 nischayn22: *lots* of assignment piled up
[08:47:19] 	 assingments*
[08:52:48] 	 New patchset: Nikerabbit; "Use MessageHandle" [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4684
[08:55:45] 	 how do i go about filling placeholders? e.g /some/path/$1. for example the $wgArticlePath variable goes something like /index.php?title=$1
[08:58:36] 	 Hi, is there a way to import redmine wiki pages to mediawiki ?
[09:01:33] 	 Reedy: Are you therE?
[09:01:48] 	 ed8: redmine?
[09:02:40] 	 ed8: A redmine wiki is a normal wiki configured with redmine?
[09:02:58] 	 Tim_Weyer: yes redmine, use an internal wiki
[09:03:27] 	 ed8: A wiki is a wiki. Otherwise, they are using the wrong name because a wiki should actually use MediaWiki software
[09:03:54] 	 um no
[09:04:13] 	 a wiki can be powered by anything, it doesn't have to be MediaWiki
[09:04:48] 	 p858snake|l: I don't think so. There are many definitions for wikis. But yes, you are not wrong
[09:05:38] 	 WMF has not filed for any rights over the word "wiki" so, wiki != mediawiki
[09:05:43] 	 A wiki is a thing that can be edited by everyone
[09:05:57] 	 nor would the foundation be able to because of previous art in the field
[09:07:42] 	 ed8: Is redmine wiki written in ruby?
[09:13:57] 	 Hi.. I'm migrating an ancient mediawiki installation to a new server. I think the version number is 1.10 but cannot determine that because I get a blank page when I try to access wiki and error ( in the error.log defined in the virtualhost directive for the site ): "[Wed Apr 11 12:01:09 2012] [error] [client 180.76.5.93] PHP Parse error:  syntax error, unexpected T_NAMESPACE, expecting T_STRING in /sites/consumerium.org/develop/w/includes/Namespace.php on 
[09:13:58] 	 line 44"
[09:14:13] 	 I find this odd..
[09:15:30] 	 I copied the dumped all the databases and loaded 'em in into the new server's database and wrapped all old sites into a .tar.gz file and then expanded it on the new server
[09:15:56] 	 then I changed the detabase user and password in LocalSettings.php
[09:17:05] 	 so the files are the same and the database is the same but yet I get
[09:17:07] 	 "[Wed Apr 11 12:01:09 2012] [error] [client 180.76.5.93] PHP Parse error:  syntax error, unexpected T_NAMESPACE, expecting T_STRING in /sites/consumerium.org/develop/w/includes/Namespace.php on line 44"
[09:17:09] 	  
[09:17:20] 	 any help much appreciated
[09:18:28] 	 jubo2: You are still using the same installation as before!?
[09:19:16] 	 Tim_Weyer: It's from 2006 or 2007 .. long story ..
[09:19:17] 	 jubo2: Do you use another PHP version (and / or MySQL version) in the new server?
[09:19:30] 	 on*
[09:19:35] 	 Tim_Weyer: hold on .. I check the new server against the old server
[09:20:04] 	 jubo2: Yes, do it. And please allow error reports in /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini
[09:20:09] 	 New patchset: Netbrain; "applied patch from bug #34852: adds an optional link parameter to the  tag" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4609
[09:20:14] 	 if you haven't this already done
[09:20:20] 	 Tim_Weyer: I remember... The motivation to migrate was that the old server's PHP was not compatible with modern mediawiki.. so yes
[09:20:31] 	 ah, okay
[09:20:41] 	 I check MySQL versions..
[09:20:43] 	 then, you should go small steps
[09:21:10] 	 Tim_Weyer: yeah.. doing more then one thing after another is not recommendable
[09:21:11] 	 jubo2: install new version, dump the db into it, run the update script
[09:21:28] 	 New review: jenkins-bot; "Build Failed " [mediawiki/core] (master); V: -1 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4609
[09:21:39] 	 Tim_Weyer: we only recommend small steps if you are upgrading from pre 5 -> 5 due to the utf change
[09:21:45] 	 New review: Netbrain; "By parser test cases, do you mean phpunit test case or some other kind of tests?" [mediawiki/core] (master) C: 1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4609
[09:21:51] 	 jubo2: have you read https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Upgrading ?
[09:21:56] 	 p858snake|l: I was planning to boot up the old MW first on the new server and then proceed to do the upgrading
[09:21:57] 	 jubo2: if the old MediaWiki version if not compatible with PHP5, you should update your wiki on your old server to a newer, compatible version that is also compatible with PHP5. Then you can upgrade to MW 1.18.2
[09:22:10] 	 jubo2: that should also work
[09:22:18] 	 ...on the new server
[09:22:41] 	 jubo2: but you just need it in a state where the db is there, you don't need it where the web interface is working
[09:23:08] 	 Tim_Weyer: negative. Old server has so old PHP it's not compatible with modern mediawiki and no upgrade is available for the OS version ( RedHat something from 2006 or 2007 )
[09:23:19] 	 jubo2: I ran MW 1.2 with PHP5 (or PHP4, don't exactly know) and I worked so I doubt that your old MW isn't compatible with PHP5
[09:23:40] 	 it worked*
[09:23:58] * jubo2  is confused
[09:25:04] 	 p858snake|l: I brew some fairtrade coffee and read to upgrade-info to not waste people's time
[09:25:27] 	 jubo2: Your old MW should be compatible with PHP5, otherwise you can't it upgrade. p...snake knows probably more than me
[09:26:27] 	 jubo2: I just meant an upgrade from 1.10 to 1.12 for example, if possible
[09:26:32] 	 step by step
[09:26:54] 	 jubo2: Put your db on the new server in its current state -> Put the new mw web files in place -> put your old localsettings in the folder -> run the upgrade script at the php command line
[09:27:04] 	 Tim_Weyer: there is no need to do it step wise
[09:27:30] 	 p858snake|l: I also don't really believe ;-)
[09:27:45] 	 ever* (execpt for pre 1.5.x when you need to do a 1.5, since our new updaters don't handle that)
[09:27:53] 	 you just need to install a new version and then run update.php, my fault ^^
[09:29:08] 	 p858snake|l: yeah.. I think I will do what you instructed.. I mean nothing can go wrong that cannot be removed but unzipping the .tar.gzs I copied over from the old server
[09:31:08] 	 p858snake|l: I fear it will not work.. anyways.. I'm doing another task intermittenly ( cleaning my flat, find it makes my brain hurt less if I do something that doesn't require concentration like doing computery stuff )
[09:31:44] 	 netbrain: Set $wgArticlePath and the right way (e. g.: /wiki/$1), set $wgUsePathInfo = true; and configure an .htaccess or httpd.conf
[09:33:09] 	 !shorturl
[09:33:09] 	 To create simple URLs (such as the /wiki/PAGENAME style URLs on Wikimedia sites), follow the instructions at . There are instructions for most different webserver setups. If you have problems getting the rewrite rules to work, see !rewriteproblem
[09:34:38] 	 p858snake|l: what do you suggest.. Do I need to turn rewriting the URL's wikipedia-style off in LocalSettings.php and apache settings before I run the upgrade script from the prompt ? 
[09:35:06] 	 it shouldn't matter
[09:41:29] 	 03(mod) Send full SSL certificate chain including root CA on gerrit.wikimedia.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35709  04BLOCKER->normal; +comment (10Marcin Cieślak)
[09:41:50] 	 hashar: Could you make me an admin? I've requested administrator permissions here and I don't expect any dissenting vote after five days: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Project:Requests/User_rights/SVG_%282%29 Would be helpful so I can start with my intended work I described there
[09:44:42] 	 Tim_Weyer: we probably want to keep the old files
[09:44:53] 	 Tim_Weyer: even if orphaned, they might have been used previously
[09:45:11] 	 Tim_Weyer: I found ( I think ) all instructions on making the rewriting to have short URLs not work.. but this was years ago.. I had to h4x it myself using the instructions found on web as a source of ideas on how to set it up
[09:45:12] 	 hashar: I just want to sort out unrelated files first
[09:45:12] 	 Tim_Weyer: so we probably do not want to break a page layout when browsing its history
[09:45:52] 	 jubo2: I was actually responding to netbrain's question above ;-)
[09:46:05] 	 p858snake|l: aight... wget it is then ( now that I have the aforementioned fairtrade coffee ;)
[09:47:08] 	 Tim_Weyer: anyway, I surely have the technical rights to do close to anything on mediawiki.org
[09:47:32] 	 Tim_Weyer: but I am not really active in the community management. I have no idea what is the process to make someone a sysop
[09:47:45] 	 hashar: Old files are not the real problem. Maybe I can move old files to new names (e. g. File:... 2007.png) if needed
[09:47:48] 	 Tim_Weyer: hahaha.. I totally thought you were responding to my earlier inquiry over what to do with the rewrite stuff :)
[09:48:01] 	 Tim_Weyer: no don't rename them either!!
[09:48:27] 	 Tim_Weyer: in an old version of an article, the image will still be named [Foobar.jpg]
[09:48:39] 	 hashar: Who uses old versions?
[09:48:59] 	 we have history for a reason, to let users browses it
[09:49:04] 	 hashar: I just want renaming them if I'm uploading an updated version
[09:49:22] 	 what is the point of uploading a duplicate?
[09:49:57] 	 hashar: It's just needed for specific files that are still used, otherwise I can reupload them
[09:50:45] 	 I cannot find a http download for wgetting.. should I install git or wut's the deal ?
[09:51:13] 	 hahaha.. in front of my eyes
[09:51:27] 	 It was in a too big font for me to see it lol
[09:52:19] 	 how can I make one commit depend on another one (not merged yet) ?
[09:52:35] 	 *wgetting now* *sips fairtrade coffee*
[09:53:20] 	 It'd be so sweet if the upgrading procedure worked.. I mean if someone has formally verified the upgrade process then yes, otherwise I fear
[09:57:25] 	 jubo2: yes, many hundreds of people, have done the upgrade process
[09:59:13] 	 p858snake|l: I have moved the new mediawiki to "/wiki", copied the old LocalSettings.php, modified the localsettings to find mediawiki scripts in "/wiki" instead of "/w" and checked that the LocalSettings.php has a good user and good passwd for MySQL.. So I think I'm ready to hit the button and see what happens :) *sips ft coffee*
[10:00:24] 	 03(mod) Problems with UploadWizard stash moving to the target - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35354  +comment (10Marco)
[10:03:40] 	 Beau_: Best just to note in the commit summary, I'm told.
[10:05:36] 	 Jarry1250: hmm, okay
[10:06:00] 	 Oh, and ensure there isn't two-way dependence.
[10:07:41] 	 Jarry1250: second commit will have changes from the first one...
[10:08:08] 	 Yeah, just make sure that the first one isn't reliant on changes made in the second one.
[10:08:24] 	 As in, they could be merged sequentially, they don't have to be merged at the same time.
[10:08:50] 	 03(NEW) include message box (meta-)templates like MBox or Fmbox in a default install - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35880 enhancement; MediaWiki: Templates; (dzahn)
[10:09:08] 	 Jarry1250: well, it is difficult to choose the baseline for the change if there are changes waiting for merge and I don't know if they will made it to master or not
[10:09:21] 	 it is a waste of time to resolve merge conflicts with myself
[10:12:24] 	 03(NEW) Can't disable WikiEditor since MW 1.20wmf1 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35881 normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (SVG)
[10:12:57] 	 Beau_: welcome to the "oh it's easy to branch and merge" world
[10:13:01] 	 03(mod) Nearby fragile, sometimes starts very zoomed out - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35605  +comment (10Jarry1250)
[10:13:16] 	 Beau_: look at https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#change,3962 - it depends on https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4672
[10:13:23] 	 14(DUP) Can't disable WikiEditor since MW 1.20wmf1 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35881  +comment (10Beau)
[10:13:23] 	 03(mod) [Regression] WikiEditor can't be disabled on 1.20wmf1 / mediawiki.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35879  +comment (10Beau)
[10:13:38] 	 Beau_: you just submit the one by one
[10:13:58] 	 saper: thanks, I'll take a look, maybe I need to start poking people to merge things faster :-)
[10:14:22] 	 Beau_: I pushed them in that order: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/gitweb?p=mediawiki/core.git;a=log;h=c59c0f6b6ee0c4dfc0c2fe17efe7d0f9d6338842
[10:14:43] 	 Beau_: ha good luck - I tried that and I ended up in wrong merges and broken "master"
[10:15:22] 	 and good thing is : every patchset may have a different parent
[10:15:59] 	 so I am "rebasing" them by hand by "git cherry-pick -n "
[10:16:08] 	 while being on a new master
[10:17:17] 	 what is the correct way to run parser tests?
[10:18:11] 	 according to /tests/parser/README i should be able to run "./phpunit.php --group Parser" however, this seems to run way more than parser tests.
[10:19:06] 	 Hi, how can I get a permanentlink to the current subsection inside a parserfunction something like $parser->mTitle->getFullURL()...
[10:23:41] 	 physikerwelt: for what?
[10:24:37] 	 netbrain: let me check
[10:24:38] 	 I want to put a link to the object i currently render to the database
[10:26:50] 	 physikerwelt: by using a hook?
[10:27:01] 	 yes
[10:27:07] 	 what hook?
[10:27:26] 	 .............................................................   61 / 3422 (  1%)
[10:29:12] 	 netbrain: OK (695 tests, 695 assertions)
[10:29:21] 	 netbrain: it says it will be running 3422 and does 695 :)
[10:29:51] 	 btw. I sense some are not marked @Parser as they probably should
[10:30:20] 	 T07im_Weyer01: I don't understand what you mean... I setup a hook function and there i get a reference to the $parser 'variable'
[10:30:39] 	 ah, okay
[10:30:56] 	 physikerwelt: I can't get your problem, sorry
[10:31:32] 	 saper: what about the regex limitation flag?
[10:31:45] 	 saper: ./phpunit.php --group Parser --regex="34852"
[10:31:57] 	 regex thing never worked for me
[10:32:05] 	 saper: that doesn't seem to limit the number of tests run
[10:32:16] 	 hm..
[10:32:35] 	 Tim_Weyer with that solution $parser->mTitle->getFullURL() I get a link to the page but not to the current section and not to the current version/revision
[10:33:08] 	 does anybody know how the ldap auth breakage ended, if it did ?
[10:33:39] 	 physikerwelt: Yes, but the problem is that I don't understand what you want to do
[10:34:06] 	 uh oh.. sez mysql root pass is not what I set it to when I installed it..
[10:34:26] 	 Does upload of a dump with --alldatabases change the root passwd ?
[10:34:35] 	 physikerwelt: another one may help you. I'm not up to date with parser functions
[10:34:50] 	 ...to the passwd defined to the mysqld
[10:35:07] 	 yes it does
[10:35:15] 	 physikerwelt: I might be able to code something if I know what am I coding, for what am I coding ^^
[10:35:19] 	 good.. now we can move forward..
[10:35:32] 	 New patchset: Netbrain; "applied patch from bug #34852: adds an optional link parameter to the  tag" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4609
[10:36:50] 	 New review: jenkins-bot; "Build Successful " [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 1 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4609
[10:38:06] 	 tim_Weyer istead of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Einstein_notation I'd like to get something like http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Einstein_notation&oldid=482397052#Matrix_multiplication if I convert the expression C^i_k = A^i_j \, B^j_k  with the $parser function for the tag math
[10:39:06] 	 physikerwelt: a searching feature for regular expressions?
[10:39:48] 	 Aight..
[10:40:07] * jubo2  runs 'php update.php'
[10:40:30] 	 physikerwelt: I'm maybe just making it more and more difficult. I can't help you, parser functions are... have just worked once with them
[10:40:34] 	 New review: Netbrain; "Ok, i think i got all angles covered now. Wasn't aware that there was a test suite for the Parser cl..." [mediawiki/core] (master) C: 1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4609
[10:40:55] 	 thanks
[10:42:51] 	 failed in 5 seconds
[10:42:52] 	 http://pastebin.com/u46mkdqg
[10:43:03] 	 has the complete printout of the update.php
[10:43:11] 	 help would be much appreciated..
[10:43:30] 	 the pastebin has the complete printout
[10:45:05] 	 When will my extension be moved to gerrit? or is this something i have to initiate myself somehow?
[10:45:25] 	 netbrain: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Git/Conversion/Extensions_queue
[10:45:34] 	 Jarry1250, thank you
[10:46:50] 	 'php update.php' sez "Adding oi_metadata field to table oldimage...A database query syntax error has occurred."
[10:47:07] 	 is there a smartphone app optimized for editing mediawiki entries from iphone/android etc?
[10:47:12] 	 I run it again to see what happens
[10:47:38] 	 Jarry1250, who should i contact with the details?
[10:47:46] 	 the wiki doesn't say...
[10:47:58] 	 What sort of details?
[10:48:10] 	 (Is you extension in SVN at the moment?)
[10:48:13] 	 netbrain: bugzilla.wikimedia.org
[10:48:21] 	 'php update.php' says "Database returned error "1091: Can't DROP 'oi_name'; check that column/key exists (localhost)" and exits
[10:48:39] 	 Jarry1250, yes it is
[10:48:56] 	 And the update attempt is from 1.10 to 1.18.2
[10:48:56] 	 netbrain: Okay, so you can just name it as number #4 on the main list on that page
[10:49:27] 	 ah i see
[10:50:21] 	 Jarry1250: thanks again..
[10:52:58] 	 jubo2: Is it easy to find out what columns you *do* have in oldimages?
[10:53:04] 	 hello, how do i change the output format of the data when calling find. I have this: http://bin.cakephp.org/view/392400536    in the  top is how i it would make sense to have the data come out of the database, and in the bottom is how it actually comes out given the query in the middle. Is this possible?
[10:53:21] 	 Jarry1250: hold on .. I access MySQL and look
[10:53:54] 	 meanwhile the pastebin ( official ) of 'php update.php' failing in approx 5 seconds of processing is at http://pastebin.com/NLp9LzdF
[10:54:59] 	 wrong channel
[10:55:01] 	 :)
[10:55:46] 	 New review: Hashar; "Need some improvement. The attempt to reparse links is dubious, you should let other part of the par..." [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4609
[10:55:56] 	 New patchset: GWicke; "Nominate more HTML5 sectioning and heading elements for block-level treatment" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4689
[10:56:55] 	 Jarry1250: here is 'describe oldimage;' result http://pastebin.com/kp54PdSC
[10:58:38] 	 Okay, so it looks like it's just the index that doesn't exist for whatever reason.
[10:59:23] 	 I'd be sorely tempted to merely remove line 10 of /maintenance/archives/patch-oi_metadata.sql
[10:59:40] 	 ("   DROP INDEX oi_name,")
[10:59:48] 	 or add the index/column to drop..
[11:00:01] 	 Well yes. Either really.
[11:00:42] 	 I comment out line 10 and rerun 'php update.php' and see what happens
[11:03:12] 	 YESS.. IT RUNS!
[11:03:19] * jubo2  waits anxiously
[11:03:40] 	 it says "Done." and exits ..
[11:03:47] 	 I gather this is a success ..
[11:04:16] * jubo2  goes to see the UPGRADE to look what to do next
[11:06:21] 	 'k .. I set
[11:06:24] 	 $wgScriptPath       = "/w";
[11:06:26] 	 #$wgScriptPath = "/wiki";
[11:06:27] 	 $wgArticlePath = "/wiki/$1";
[11:06:35] 	 and 'mv wiki/ w/'
[11:09:28] 	 Jarry1250: SUCCESS! SUCCESS! SUCCESS! - http://develop.consumerium.org/wiki/Special:Version
[11:09:53] 	 New review: Hashar; "still need some improvements :-)" [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: -2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3981
[11:09:57] 	 New review: saper; "Some remarks regarding the name of the feature plus I think this whole hiding stuff should be factor..." [mediawiki/core] (master) C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4658
[11:10:16] 	 Shukran Shukran Shukran MediaWiki devels!
[11:10:30] 	 jubo2: :)
[11:10:31] 	 ar."shukran" == en."thanks"
[11:10:48] 	 03(NEW) Semantic Project Management / version working with SMW 1.7.1 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35882 major; MediaWiki extensions: [other]; (mediawiki)
[11:11:24] 	 New review: Netbrain; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/core] (master) C: 1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4609
[11:11:31] 	 very XD XD XD that I all I had to do extra was comment out one line of sql to update 8 major versions up a software Jarry1250
[11:12:08] 	 jubo2: Pretty good, I reckon :P
[11:15:17] 	 New review: GWicke; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4689
[11:15:19] 	 Change merged: GWicke; [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4689
[11:19:46] 	 there used to be a wikipage with gerrit bugs/wishlist
[11:19:46] 	 where is it now?
[11:20:17] 	 it was moved to bugzilla?
[11:23:55] 	 03(NEW) Unintuitive nagging for gerrit after review - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35883 normal; Wikimedia: Git/Gerrit; (marcin.cieslak)
[11:24:14] 	 New patchset: Nikerabbit; "Html::setSubmitTextMsg double escapes" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4690
[11:24:22] 	 is it possible to set new article to private ?
[11:24:30] 	 And publish only some of them ?
[11:25:33] 	 New review: jenkins-bot; "Build Successful " [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 1 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4690
[11:25:59] 	 I'm new to mediawiki. I'm editing screen.css in the Vector skin but I don't see my changes been applied (even with cache refresh). Have I to register that screen.css somewhere?
[11:26:22] 	 03(mod) Semantic Project Management / version working with SMW 1.7.1 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35882   +patch (10[[kgh]])
[11:26:42] 	 css files are loaded in a special way by mediawiki
[11:26:43] 	 03(NEW) h1, h2, h3, h4, h5, h6 { width: auto; } in skins/common/commonElements.css is unnecessary - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35884 enhancement; MediaWiki: User interface; (fomafix)
[11:29:32] 	 New patchset: Szymon ?wierkosz; "Test commit 1" [test/mediawiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4691
[11:31:17] 	 New patchset: Szymon ?wierkosz; "Test commit 2" [test/mediawiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4692
[11:31:51] 	 hashar, hi,
[11:32:37] 	 hashar, regarding the comment u posted on my patchset - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3981
[11:33:46] 	 hashar: I have tried using .toggle() but it doesnt work - see here http://dpaste.com/730075/
[11:34:00] 	 New review: Hashar; "The interval array should be made public and maybe final although some people might want to add new ..." [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4629
[11:34:07] 	 chughakshay16: looking
[11:34:24] 	 New patchset: Szymon ?wierkosz; "(bug 32372) Wikieditor toolbar has only a half of screen width." [mediawiki/extensions/ProofreadPage] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4694
[11:35:12] 	 Jarry1250: it seems dependencies are working -> https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#change,4694
[11:36:17] 	 03(mod) Wikieditor toolbar has only a half of screen width - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/32372  +comment (10Beau)
[11:36:57] 	 New review: IAlex; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/core] (master) C: 1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4690
[11:37:25] 	 Change abandoned: Szymon ?wierkosz; "I don't need test.file." [test/mediawiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4691
[11:38:09] 	 Change abandoned: Szymon ?wierkosz; "I don't need test.file." [test/mediawiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4692
[11:39:39] 	 Beau_: Ah, neat. I wonder whether the checkout command Gerrit provides includes the dependency, or whether you get a merge error every time...
[11:40:27] 	 New review: Netbrain; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/core] (master) C: 1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4609
[11:41:13] 	 Jarry1250: did not try that
[11:42:25] 	 Beau_: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#change,4339 was one of my first patch to MW, how do I fix that?
[11:42:48] 	 I meant how do I reverse it
[11:43:25] 	 You want it unmerged?
[11:43:27] 	 nischayn22: hmm... did you try: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Git/Workflow#Partial_revert_of_previous_commit
[11:43:44] * nischayn22  is looking
[11:44:02] 	 chughakshay16: are you sure the id is correct?
[11:44:21] 	 hashar: just lemme check :)
[11:44:24] 	 New patchset: Netbrain; "(bug 34852) new optional 'link' parameter to " [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4609
[11:44:33] 	 chughakshay16: I am trying to code that on my local install
[11:45:04] 	 hashar: yes the id is correct
[11:45:42] 	 New review: jenkins-bot; "Build Failed " [mediawiki/core] (master); V: -1 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4609
[11:46:32] 	 I'm customizing the CSS for Vector skin, but changes don't apply to the rendered page
[11:46:34] 	 nischayn22: there is 'revert change' button in gerrit, don't know if it works...
[11:46:41] 	 what should I do to modify CSS?
[11:47:28] 	 davide_at_debian: why do you modify vector files? did you try to modify MediaWiki:Vector.css on wiki first?
[11:47:44] 	 New patchset: Nischayn22; "Revert "(bug 30796) Dropping preferences for toolbar" In accordance to bug 35879 This reverts commit 8d01d341bea05e0b0032052f06ce7d57ce2ab009" [mediawiki/extensions/WikiEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4695
[11:48:05] 	 Beau_: I made a whole copy of the Vector skin, renaming it to something else
[11:48:12] 	 Beau_: it worked! So now I have to made a new commit?
[11:48:17] 	 so basically it will be a ""new theme
[11:48:35] 	 chughakshay16: I got a patch working :)  I am going to submit it for you to review
[11:48:46] 	 chughakshay16: I am also rewriting the commit message
[11:48:56] 	 hashar: okay :)
[11:49:26] 	 Beau_: sorry, my problem is that I'm now to wiki terminology too. What do you mean with "MediaWiki:Vector.css" ?
[11:49:52] 	 davide_at_debian: for each skin there is a wiki page, where you can make tweaks to the skin
[11:50:11] 	 chughakshay16: what did you mean by "Patch set 3 :Ignore patch set 2, Fixed the issues which were made in the comments and have
[11:50:11] 	 9	+also made some new changes to overcome some new issues in the code."
[11:50:19] 	 chughakshay16: that is a bit confusing :-)
[11:50:19] 	 Beau_: I dodn't know! how can I acces these pages?
[11:50:34] 	 davide_at_debian: just edit it as an administrator (sysop)
[11:50:57] 	 hashar: I accidentally submitted patchset2 with the same changes as made in patchset 1..
[11:51:01] 	 hashar: :|
[11:51:24] 	 nischayn22: probably yes... I am not sure if there are strict guidelines what to do :)
[11:51:28] 	 hashar: thats y submitted patchset 3.. to staet the new changes
[11:52:22] 	 Beau_: I think we can submit another patchset to the same change. Not sure how to do that
[11:52:44] 	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Git/Workflow#Amend_your_change
[11:53:10] 	 hashar: i cant see the patchset which u posted ..
[11:53:11] 	 Beau_: yes, I can login with the admin credentials (Admin user). But then how to acces that page? I edited the screen.css file with emacs itself, not by mediawiki web interface
[11:53:38] 	 New patchset: Netbrain; "(bug 34852) new optional 'link' parameter to " [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4609
[11:53:56] 	 chughakshay16: I am still working on it
[11:54:04] 	 davide_at_debian: just create it, and put some new css there, for example: https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Vector.css
[11:54:06] 	 hashar: okay
[11:54:55] 	 New review: jenkins-bot; "Build Successful " [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 1 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4609
[11:55:34] 	 Beau_: wow! so I have to create (or modify) a page named MediaWiki:${skin_name}.css , right?
[11:55:57] 	 chughakshay16: there is also probably something faster than   $(#someid).length()
[11:56:14] 	 davide_at_debian: yes, if you need only minor tweaks to the styles that is the easiest way to do so....
[11:56:29] 	 New review: Liangent; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/core] (master) C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4609
[11:57:00] 	 hashar: I have always used this only to check for an element's existence in the HTML dom..
[11:57:47] 	 Beau_: thanks. I made changes to the vector.css file itself, however these seem to get ignored. My modification is quite importand and would be better to keep it on file (I'm injecting about 500 lines into css file)
[11:57:58] 	 New review: Hashar; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3981
[11:58:13] 	 chughakshay16: I have uploaded patchset4 https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#change,3981
[11:58:37] 	 grrr it rebased :(
[11:58:42] 	 New patchset: Netbrain; "(bug 34852) new optional 'link' parameter to " [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4609
[11:58:43] 	 New review: Siebrand; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4690
[11:58:45] 	 stupid git-review
[11:58:46] 	 Change merged: Siebrand; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4690
[11:58:48] 	 New review: jenkins-bot; "Build Successful " [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 1 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3981
[12:00:01] 	 New review: jenkins-bot; "Build Successful " [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 1 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4609
[12:00:08] 	 chughakshay16: have a look at the new javascript code :)
[12:00:33] 	 03(FIXED) Timed Media Handler transcode errors (on labs Commons) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35698  +comment (10j^)
[12:01:04] 	 New review: Netbrain; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4609
[12:01:05] 	 New review: Siebrand; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4684
[12:01:08] 	 Change merged: Siebrand; [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4684
[12:01:42] 	 hashar: u r applying the toggle() on mw-cat-toggle instead of mw-hidden-links.. and it totally makes sense..what was i thinking ?? :)
[12:02:04] 	 New patchset: Hashar; "default gitreview to no rebase" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4697
[12:02:14] 	 chughakshay16: go ahead and carefully review my patch now :)
[12:02:35] 	 chughakshay16: we probably need a better message to.  "hide hidden categories" looks akward
[12:02:38] 	 New review: Siebrand; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4683
[12:02:40] 	 Change merged: Siebrand; [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4683
[12:02:47] 	 New review: Liangent; "Still the question, do you really like |link=[[InterWikiLink]] syntax?" [mediawiki/core] (master) C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4609
[12:03:19] 	 hashar: how about just 'Hide' ? 
[12:03:20] 	 New review: jenkins-bot; "Build Successful " [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 1 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4697
[12:05:20] 	 chughakshay16: also brion had a remark that still need to be fixed
[12:05:32] 	 chughakshay16: he said "The toggle link is above the list of categories, which seems kinda distracting. Should probably be below."
[12:05:36] 	 sorry I went offline.
[12:05:43] 	 hashar: yeah i would make that change..
[12:05:51] 	 hashar: today itself..
[12:06:01] 	 New review: Netbrain; "I personally don't see a problem with it. But I am open for arguments against. But why does it even ..." [mediawiki/core] (master) C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4609
[12:06:20] 	 New review: Siebrand; "Re Brion's comment: Yeah, that's an issue. Should we merge this without the tests for now, or what d..." [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4554
[12:06:24] 	 Beau_: I haven't received messages at all since mine 5 minutes ago
[12:06:34] 	 New review: Hashar; "Patchset 4 fix most issue I had with the original patch. Still need to fix the position of the link ..." [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3981
[12:06:53] 	 chughakshay16: I am lunching now. Ping me again later this afternoon or tomorrow :)
[12:07:28] 	 hashar: definitely :)
[12:08:34] 	 after I have modified the screen.css file in Vector skin directory, changes are not shown on wiki pages
[12:08:49] 	 how are these changes to be applied?
[12:10:52] 	 03(mod) rename museum-l to glam - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35490  +comment (10Daniel Zahn)
[12:11:15] 	 New review: Netbrain; "seems ok now? one thing tough, i have created a const EXT_URL_REGEX for the absolute url regex. But ..." [mediawiki/core] (master) C: 1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4609
[12:15:47] 	 New patchset: IAlex; "Added Linker::getInvalidTitleDescription() to display invalid title entries in various places." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4606
[12:15:59] 	 03(mod) rename museum-l to glam - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35490  +comment (10Daniel Zahn)
[12:17:03] 	 New review: jenkins-bot; "Build Successful " [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 1 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4606
[12:18:44] 	 03(FIXED) rename museum-l to glam - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35490  (10Daniel Zahn)
[12:20:07] 	 Jarry1250: Hueg thanks for your help.. to upgrade 8 major revisions up with basically h4xing removing one line of SQL code.. I'm impressed
[12:20:50] 	 Jarry1250: I think somebody may have been formally proving stuff.. 8 REVISIONS UP!!
[12:21:06] 	 should I say somebody / somenonbody ?
[12:21:11] 	 i.e. bot
[12:21:34] 	 next:
[12:21:35] 	 http://develop.consumerium.org/wiki/Consumerium_plans_as_of_2012#MediaWiki_extensions
[12:21:59] 	 the CAPTCHA and the blacklist starting with xanax, viagra and cialis ;)
[12:22:42] 	 and then step 3), open up the wiki ( with the VisualMathCaptcha and the regex-blacklisting thingy installled
[12:23:07] 	 Now that the MW version is 1.18.2 :D :D
[12:23:26] 	  
[12:23:58] 	 Beau_: what do you suggest about the default behavior of toolbar?
[12:25:27] 	 New patchset: QChris; "Refresh INSTALL's version numbers from RELEASE-NOTES" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4698
[12:25:42] 	 In my personal horror sci-fi dystopy my occupation would be software engineer. Secretly the code I make is never even near production but secretly fed to a logic machine, a sort of bot and it formally analyzes all the code and prints out "howwwible spaghetti." ( My scifi dystopy is so bad for human that it would take under 5 pages to write P-; )
[12:26:46] 	 New review: jenkins-bot; "Build Successful " [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 1 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4698
[12:27:39] 	 my work, that I do for survival is nothing more but fed to the logic machine, über-analyzed, scrutinized and formally observed and to never do anything of use /o\
[12:29:13] 	 nat'lly you see that I would be working in a rather big corporation in this story..
[12:29:54] 	 rather likely to be working in a hueg company that punishes me for any and every error I do in doing what I think I am doing for my living and provision
[12:30:22] 	 anyone know the best way to package MediaWiki for offline viewing?
[12:30:29] 	 like I said.. My sci-fi dystopy be so bad to human it takes a mere few pages from start to end P-;
[12:32:36] 	 Andytizer: for sysadmin or his users?
[12:33:14] 	 for users - I'm looking for the most user-friendly option
[12:33:57] 	 you shouldn't ask me so. I just ended coding a crawler for such a thing -lol
[12:34:17] 	 lol :D
[12:35:02] 	 I am a bit new to MW.. but we have XML dumps, PDF export extensions
[12:35:19] 	 not sure what the  best option is
[12:39:17] 	 03(mod) [Regression] WikiEditor can't be disabled on 1.20wmf1 / mediawiki.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35879  +comment (10Tim Weyer)
[12:41:36] 	 Krenair: Thanks for that notice on Template:Delete, didn't know
[12:42:06] 	 03(NEW) Sane output for http://www.mediawiki.org/w/api.php?version needed with git - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35885 normal; MediaWiki: API; (marcin.cieslak)
[12:42:17] 	 03(mod) Sane output for http://www.mediawiki.org/w/api.php?version needed with git - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35885  normal->minor (10Marcin Cieślak)
[12:50:30] 	 New patchset: IAlex; "Check for namespace existence in Title::makeTitleSafe()." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4700
[12:51:48] 	 New review: jenkins-bot; "Build Successful " [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 1 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4700
[12:52:13] 	 how to make parser function to be executed every time when page containing it is loaded???(parser function executes when page is saved or eddited)
[12:55:06] 	 Guest94178: pages are cached, you could make the parser function execute on load by invalidating the cache. but cant remeber how you do that.
[12:56:31] 	 netbrain, thanks!does the manual contain such info?
[12:57:37] 	 jubo2: you should write a short dystopy story
[12:57:37] 	 Guest94178: yes it should. I think i read about it somewhere under extension development. but i can't be certain. If i remember correctly you should be able to invalidate the cache through a request variable. (but again, i'm not 100% sure.)
[12:58:47] 	 jubo2: i will be happy to be your first reader 8)
[12:59:29] 	 netbrain: thanks a lot!		
[13:00:44] 	 Guest94178: maybe this can help: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:File_cache
[13:01:34] 	 Guest94178: and this http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Purge
[13:04:58] 	 netbrain:  cool it really works!!!!!!!!!!!
[13:13:22] 	 03(mod) Sane output for http://www.mediawiki.org/w/api.php?version needed with git - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35885  (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[13:13:22] 	 03(mod) Get rid of svn keywords in API files - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33287  (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[13:17:13] 	 New review: Hashar; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4698
[13:17:16] 	 Change merged: Hashar; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4698
[13:19:39] 	 New patchset: Siebrand; "Make sure there's a directory separator in the path to avoid msgmerge errors." [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4704
[13:19:54] 	 New review: Siebrand; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4704
[13:19:57] 	 Change merged: Siebrand; [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4704
[13:22:15] 	 New patchset: Hashar; "Refresh INSTALL's version numbers from RELEASE-NOTES" [mediawiki/core] (REL1_19) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4705
[13:22:37] 	 Hmm, I should probably prepare for my french assessment pretty soon since I go back to school on Monday :/ But fixing extensions is more important right?
[13:22:53] 	 New review: Hashar; "Sent to REL1_19 with https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4705" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4698
[13:23:29] 	 New review: jenkins-bot; "Build Failed " [mediawiki/core] (REL1_19); V: -1 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4705
[13:23:36] 	 New review: Hashar; "Comes from https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#change,4698" [mediawiki/core] (REL1_19); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4705
[13:26:47] 	 03(mod) Unintuitive nagging for gerrit after review - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35883  +comment (10Chad H.)
[13:29:08] 	 03(mod) Unintuitive nagging for gerrit after review - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35883   +upstream (10Siebrand)
[13:29:45] 	 03(mod) Unintuitive nagging for gerrit after review - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35883  -upstream  (10Siebrand)
[13:29:59] 	 Nikerabbit: wikiupdate
[13:30:06] 	 ehr, wls.
[13:31:44] 	 New patchset: Aaron Schulz; "[FileBackend] File locking fixes." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4706
[13:33:04] 	 New review: jenkins-bot; "Build Successful " [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 1 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4706
[13:37:09] 	 03(NEW) AbuseLog broken with upgrade to mediawiki 1.20 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35886 normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (billinghurst)
[13:37:27] 	 How do I configure git to automatically add change id
[13:40:50] 	 03(mod) Remove accurate status of FlaggedRevs on MediaWiki.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35794  (10Tim Weyer)
[13:42:58] 	 03(mod) AbuseLog broken with upgrade to mediawiki 1.20 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35886  (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[13:43:14] 	 nischayn22: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Git/Workflow#missing_Change-Id_in_commit_message
[13:44:15] 	 New patchset: Nischayn22; "modified as per bug 35879" [mediawiki/extensions/WikiEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4707
[13:44:58] 	 Reedy: I did "git commit -a" and it worked
[13:44:59] 	 New patchset: Reedy; "Bug 35886 - AbuseLog broken with upgrade to mediawiki 1.20" [mediawiki/extensions/AbuseFilter] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4708
[13:45:16] 	 03(FIXED) AbuseLog broken with upgrade to mediawiki 1.20 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35886  +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[13:47:04] 	 does "revert change" in gerrit even work. Didn't work for me?
[13:48:43] 	 Can someone add mw-bot to #wikimedia-wikidata?
[13:49:09] 	 New review: Hashar; "Almost good :-)" [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4606
[13:49:20] 	 03(mod) [Regression] WikiEditor can't be disabled on 1.20wmf1 / mediawiki.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35879  +comment (10Nischay Nahata)
[13:49:59] 	 nischayn22: it's worked for other people
[13:51:15] 	 how can I shift down the navigation menu on the left side, the one containing links like "Main page" "Community portal" ecc..?
[13:51:30] 	 Reedy: It showed the message reverted but when I cloned the repository the change was still there.
[13:51:52] 	 it's owned by the class "portal" and has id "p-navigation", but CSS-ing to those has no effect
[13:51:57] 	 aight..
[13:52:03] 	 to the next task at hand..
[13:52:35] 	 install http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:VisualMathCaptcha and http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:SpamBlacklist
[13:52:57] 	 !extensions
[13:52:57] 	 MediaWiki has been built so it can easily be customized by adding extensions. This is usually a simple process. See http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Extensions for instructions to install extensions, as well as for writing them. See http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension_Matrix for an overview of known extensions.
[13:54:22] 	 hmm.. what's a "key capthca" *clicks*
[13:57:01] 	 is it possible there is some javascript that adjusts the right-side nav menu?
[13:57:29] 	 because by only CSS, that menu can't be moved
[13:59:03] 	 Change abandoned: Nischayn22; "I have made a new change 4707, it just adds back the preferences for toolbar" [mediawiki/extensions/WikiEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4695
[13:59:12] 	 New review: Nikerabbit; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/AbuseFilter] (master); V: 0 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4708
[14:00:29] 	 How do I find out if I have a "GD module" for PHP ?
[14:01:05] 	 davide_at_debian: Mediawiki:Sidebar ?
[14:02:08] 	 sDrewth: I mean the navigation menu that sits on the left under the logo, with links as "Main page" ecc
[14:02:38] 	 yes, have you tried editing [[Mediawiki:Sidebar]]
[14:02:44] 	 Reedy: Ok, revert works but it makes a new change, I missed that part :P
[14:02:46] 	 cool!
[14:02:57] 	 sDrewth: let me check that
[14:04:18] 	 nischayn22: if something isn't committed, you can just abandon it
[14:04:26] 	 jubo2: use phpinfo();
[14:04:53] 	 sDrewth: no, that doesn't do the trick. I'd like to shrink the menu 30 pixels more down. Anyway, adding blank lines on top of Mediawiki:Sidebar doesn't work.
[14:06:01] 	 Reedy: Yes, my change was commited so when I did revert it made a new change for that
[14:06:04] 	 this is because I added a custom navbar on top of the page, and all the rest has to move down a bit to make space for that bar.
[14:07:37] <^demon>	 davide_at_debian: If you're just trying to adjust the menu's size, why not use site CSS?
[14:08:45] 	 I identified that this menu is owned by class "portal" and has id "p-navigation", but CSS-ing to tose has no effect
[14:09:08] 	 Reedy: tnx, will do
[14:09:44] 	 you may need to do the whole sidebar, not just the navigation part of the toolbar
[14:10:25] 	 sDrewth: is it "mw-panel"?
[14:11:24] * sDrewth  shrugs, I only know enough to be dangerous ;-)
[14:11:54] 	 I am looking
[14:12:40] 	 I'm quite a child in front of this.. just making effort to make the page the nearest to what I'd want
[14:12:54] 	 from vague memory I have seen people poking at column-one
[14:13:50] 	 mmm... there's not column-one in all the page's source
[14:14:26] 	 have you had a look with ?uselang=qqx
[14:14:29] 	 Reedy: so I put 'phpinfo():' into file 'test.php' and run that with 'php test.php' right ?
[14:15:21] 	 jubo2: oh, if you're going to use it command line, just use php -m
[14:15:35] * jubo2  upgraded MW EIGHT MAJOR VERSIONS up today .. had to h4x putting SQL commenting out in one file and running update.php :D :D
[14:16:19] 	 aight.. I grep that for "GD"
[14:16:58] 	 no.. doesn't exits in installed modules
[14:17:41] 	 I googel for "install GD php module debian GNU/Linu" ( sans the question marks )
[14:18:08] 	 apt-get install php5-gd
[14:18:17] 	 or is there some PHP guru here to tell me how I isntall the module.. yeah.. that.. yeah..
[14:20:44] 	 davide_at_debian: I am looking at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki and in the code I see column-one
[14:21:04] 	 outside of that I am no use, and some would say inside that, the same ;-)
[14:23:17] 	 New patchset: Siebrand; "Remove obsolete autoexport.php script. Update README and bump version." [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4710
[14:23:18] 	 New patchset: Siebrand; "Add .gitignore." [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4711
[14:24:17] 	 New review: Siebrand; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4710
[14:24:19] 	 Change merged: Siebrand; [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4710
[14:24:28] 	 New review: Siebrand; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4711
[14:24:35] 	 Change merged: Siebrand; [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4711
[14:25:02] 	 sDrewth: no that's impossible. there is devil java that moves the menu right sticked up to logo .. no matter of CSS
[14:25:20] 	 !seen ialex
[14:26:57] 	 now you are speaking voodoo to me, and I will now cover my eyes, ears, mouth and private parts to protect all that I hold valuable
[14:28:42] 	 New review: Hashar; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4609
[14:32:36] 	 'k ... attempting to install VisualMathCaptcha in LocalSettings.php broke stuff, commenting out the VisualMathCaptcha stuff fixed the MW
[14:34:29] 	 Where is $IP defined ?
[14:36:11] 	 03netbrain *  10/trunk/extensions/SideBarMenu/ (4 files in 2 dirs): added style parameter to individual menu item elements.
[14:36:22] 	 03(mod) Unintuitive nagging for gerrit after review - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35883  +comment (10Marcin Cieślak)
[14:37:19] 	 jubo2: I wouldn't recommend changing the value of $IP
[14:38:04] 	 New review: Hashar; "What Roan says :-]" [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3328
[14:39:30] 	 Reedy: ok.. it's detected from location of LocalSettings.php I gather.. just noticed that VisualMathCaptcha has maximum version number of 1.16 so that might be the problem..
[14:40:07] 	 New patchset: GWicke; "Fixes to template expansion / token transform managers, 296 tests passing." [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4721
[14:40:14] 	 That might not help, depends what the error is
[14:45:51] 	 03(mod) Unintuitive nagging for gerrit after review - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35883  +comment (10Chad H.)
[14:49:18] 	 My mediawiki install has some sort of spam inside a runOnloadHook function.
[14:49:32] 	 sumanah: hi sumana,
[14:49:37] 	 hi chughakshay16 
[14:49:43] 	 New review: GWicke; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4721
[14:49:45] 	 Change merged: GWicke; [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4721
[14:49:50] 	 sumanah: progit rocks !!
[14:50:07] 	 This is the spam bits http://dpaste.com/730153/
[14:50:12] 	 sumanah: http://progit.org/book/
[14:50:17] 	 chughakshay16 -- you mean .... aha! good to knoe
[14:50:19] 	 know*
[14:50:26] 	 I can't find anything on grepping the files or the db. Any suggestions on where else to look?
[14:51:16] 	 sumanah: i wish i could find a similar one for gerrit.. :)
[14:51:28] 	 chughakshay16: :) maybe you should write one
[14:51:30] 	 once you learn more
[14:52:31] 	 sumanah: writing a book requires a lot of patience.. 
[14:52:43] 	 chughakshay16: yeah. So, someday.
[14:52:44] 	 03(NEW) Chrome: Editing "undos" limited until last edit toolbar click - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35887 major; MediaWiki: User interface; (subfader)
[14:53:41] 	 sumanah: i never figured why u asked me to come for berlin hackathon.. ?
[14:53:48] 	 sumanah: as i live in India.
[14:54:14] 	 03(mod) Chrome: Editing "undos" limited until last edit toolbar click - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35887  +comment (10Subfader)
[14:56:10] 	 sumanah: could u delete some pages for me..?  I mean i uploaded some images on mediawiki.org n now i dont need them.. 
[14:56:55] 	 03ning *  10/trunk/extensions/WikiObjectModel/WikiObjectModel.php: bug fix, parser function parser merge error
[14:57:09] 	 chughakshay16: I spread the word to a lot of people about our events.  Some of them have the capability to come.  Some don't
[14:57:14] 	 chughakshay16: can't you delete them?
[14:57:33] 	 sumanah: no i dont see 'delete' option on those pages.
[14:57:38] 	 ok, give me the links
[14:57:44] 	 sumanah: all i see is 'move' option
[14:57:52] 	 sumanah: okay one sec..
[14:58:01] 	 also, chughakshay16, even if you don't need them, why are you so sure no one else will need them either?
[14:58:17] 	 is there any harm in leaving them on mediawiki.org?
[14:58:47] 	 sumanah: no , i thought they were consuming space unnecessarily
[14:59:06] 	 chughakshay16: how much space?  a few hundred megabytes -- it's fine.
[14:59:31] 	 sumanah: may be around 1MB or so.. :)
[15:00:02] 	 yeah.. VisualMathCaptcha supports only MW 1.16 or below ... anyone have suggestions on which captcha to use .. maybe I see what http://let.sysops.be/wiki/ are using ( wiki of the notorious canadian troll )
[15:00:34] 	 questycaptcha is pretty good
[15:02:03] 	 New patchset: Siebrand; "Add option codemaponly to export.php to so that only code mapped languages can be exported." [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4723
[15:02:44] 	 jubo2: QuestyCaptcha is nearly universally recommended
[15:03:18] 	 jubo2: see this thread http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/mediawiki-l/2012-February/thread.html#38924
[15:03:50] 	 New review: Nikerabbit; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4697
[15:03:51] * sumanah  goes away for a bit
[15:03:52] 	 Change merged: Nikerabbit; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4697
[15:04:08] 	 New patchset: Siebrand; "Add option codemaponly to export.php." [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4723
[15:09:43] 	 03(mod) Cite fails to properly respect CITE_DEFAULT_GROUP - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35675  (10bluehairedlawyer)
[15:10:13] 	 New patchset: Nikerabbit; "Use the new method to get temporary directory in tests" [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4724
[15:11:23] 	 Could it be that the CAPTCHAs bypass if user=sysop or why is not even ConfirmEdit working..?
[15:12:31] 	 'k .. I re-read the installation instructions..
[15:15:02] 	 'k ..
[15:15:04] 	 sez
[15:15:07] 	 require_once( "$IP/extensions/ConfirmEdit/ConfirmEdit.php" );
[15:15:09] 	 $wgCaptchaClass = 'SimpleCaptcha'
[15:15:28] 	 in LocalSettings.php .. why isn't the thing working ..?
[15:16:13] * jubo2  is lost
[15:16:25] * jubo2  gazes in confusion
[15:20:37] * jubo2  doesn't see why ConfirmEdit.php isn't working .. I've followed the installation instructions precisely and yet.. no captcha..
[15:26:33] 	 03siebrand *  10/trunk/translatewiki/Okawix/ (Okawix.yaml README): Update paths for Okawix and (partial) update of README.
[15:27:22] 	 New patchset: Aaron Schulz; "[FileBackend] Added some basic directory functions." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4725
[15:28:57] 	 New review: jenkins-bot; "Build Successful " [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 1 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4725
[15:32:50] 	 when  i  see    {{PD Help Page}}    on    a    page,    does    that    mean i can copy it to my wiki?
[15:34:04] 	 What does the template say?
[15:34:42] 	 Important note: When you edit this page, you agree to release your contribution into the public domain. If you don't want this or can't do this because of license restrictions, please don't edit. This page is one of the Public Domain Help Pages, which can be freely copied into fresh wiki installations and/or distributed with MediaWiki software; see Help:Contents for an overview of all pages. See Project:PD help/Copying for instructions.
[15:34:50] 	 *thought it was 3 lines
[15:35:08] 	 on the actual page it was either 3 or 4 not 6
[15:35:37] 	 03(NEW) Please create a BZ component for ZeroRatedMobileAccess extension - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35888 normal; Wikimedia: Bugzilla; (maxsem.wiki)
[15:35:53] 	 CAN I EVEN THOUGHT MY WIKI IS NOT A "FRESH INSTALL"?
[15:39:24] 	 New patchset: GWicke; "Support noinclude/includeonly/onlyinclude in attributes" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4726
[15:40:00] 	 New review: GWicke; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4726
[15:40:03] 	 Change merged: GWicke; [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4726
[15:41:29] 	 CAN I copy the pages EVEN THOUGHT MY WIKI IS NOT A "FRESH INSTALL"?
[15:44:53] <^demon>	 pokeswap: Yes. And you don't need to shout.
[15:45:15] 	 03(FIXED) Please create a BZ component for ZeroRatedMobileAccess extension - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35888  +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[15:50:27] 	 my computer get STUCK ON CAPS LOCK A LOT
[15:50:31] 	 *like there
[15:54:02] 	 03reedy *  10/trunk/tools/make-release/make-release:
[15:54:02] 	 Switch over to using git
[15:54:02] 	 Not fully tested, but working for most things
[15:55:40] 	 hi all, I am getting a "You are not allowed to execute the action you have requested." when running dumpHTML extension on my wiki. I am running as my local user (i have read write perms)
[15:55:49] 	 I am thinking maybe I need to pretend to be apache or something?
[15:57:10] 	 does that make sense or am I crazy?
[15:57:36] 	 which is strange because I can access the dumpbackup.php with no problems
[15:59:49] 	 03(mod) Mobile sites being indexed by search engines - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35233  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[16:01:45] 	 03(mod) Dismiss keyboard when users is scrolling through full screen search reulsts - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35841  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[16:01:49] 	 MobileTurkey: that's an error from MediaWiki itself
[16:01:57] 	 right
[16:02:22] 	 the problem with googling it, is that about 500million wiki sites indexed by google spew those errors because google didn't have perms to index the page.
[16:02:40] 	 What command are you running to get that error?
[16:02:42] 	 Reedy: is my install just messed up (actually yes it is but that's besides the point)?
[16:03:32] 	 php dumpHTML.php -d /net/sshfs/octopus/mediawiki-backup
[16:09:56] 	 Nikerabbit, I noticed a problem with some of the WiktionaryMobile translations
[16:10:27] 	 New patchset: IAlex; "Added Linker::getInvalidTitleDescription() to display invalid title entries in various places." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4606
[16:11:04] 	 New review: IAlex; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4606
[16:12:11] 	 I'm trying to use the 'sun wiki publisher' extension with a personnal wiki but get error about my credentials
[16:12:14] 	 did someone already use this extension ?
[16:12:18] 	 New review: jenkins-bot; "Build Successful " [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 1 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4606
[16:13:47] 	 hi all..
[16:14:11] 	 how to make captcha on registration page?
[16:14:15] 	 New review: Siebrand; "See inline comments." [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3981
[16:14:27] 	 !captcha
[16:14:27] 	 For more information about CAPTCHAs and MediaWiki, see .
[16:15:04] 	 ed8: could you link to a mediawiki.org webpage about the extension you are talking about?
[16:15:21] 	 sumanah: already added..
[16:15:25] 	 sumanah: http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/project/wikipublisher
[16:15:27] 	 03(mod) MobileFrontend breaks frontend caching in some cases - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35842  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[16:15:49] 	 03(mod) MobileFrontend breaks frontend caching in some cases - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35842  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[16:16:04] 	 ed8: I have never heard of this thing before! it's an extension to OpenOffice, correct?
[16:16:16] 	 sumanah: yep
[16:16:18] 	 sumanah: need I configure something else?
[16:16:41] 	 ed8: I look at the comments on that webpage and it looks like the extension does not work with modern MediaWik installations
[16:16:47] 	 !spam | Qeos 
[16:16:47] 	 Qeos: For information about combating and handling spam in MediaWiki, see  and .
[16:17:47] 	 sumanah: no.. I cant see any captcha's on any page...
[16:17:56] 	 Qeos: sorry, I don't know enough to help you
[16:18:19] 	 sumanah: ouch! Do you know any solution to import ODT file to a mediawiki installation ?
[16:18:20] 	 Qeos: ConfirmEdit is a framework but you need to install a captcha plugin like QuestyCaptcha
[16:18:47] 	 hi sumanah
[16:19:10] 	 ed8: look at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Tools ?
[16:19:58] 	 guillom: the 1.20 page is now going to open in my browser
[16:20:03] 	 there should be majestic music
[16:20:08] 	 03reedy *  10/trunk/tools/make-release/make-release:
[16:20:08] 	 Don't try and checkout a tag if we're doing a trunk snapshot
[16:20:08] 	 Remove a couple of debugging lines
[16:20:13] 	 !1.20
[16:20:13] 	 We haven't even released 1.19 yet!  MediaWiki 1.20 won't get deployed or released until April 2012.  See https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki_1.20 .
[16:20:27] 	 no chance of it being released :p
[16:20:47] 	 sumanah: I thought you wanted to work on the 1.19 page?
[16:20:57] 	 I mean we can work on both, but your e-mail mentioned 1.19
[16:20:59] 	 guillom: You are right!
[16:21:01] 	 sorry.
[16:21:02] 	 !1.19
[16:21:03] 	 Branched at r110996 on 9 Feb 2012. http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.science.linguistics.wikipedia.technical/56919 Deployed to Wikimedia sites in Feb/March 2012. Tracking 1.19 bugs at https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=1.19.0%20release&list_id=98470  1.19.0beta1 released 7 March 2012 http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/mediawiki-announce/2012-March/000108.html
[16:21:04] 	 np
[16:21:15] * sumanah  ends majestic music
[16:21:15] 	 And that's out of date tooo
[16:22:03] 	 rah google is useless
[16:22:17] 	 Actually, it's generally very useful.
[16:22:20] 	 generally
[16:22:25] 	 if you are searching for generic stuff
[16:22:32] 	 i find it terrible when searching for specifics
[16:22:36] 	 I am having problems to get any captcha working on a 1.18.2 installation .. ConfirmEdit fails to work.. Help would be very appreciated ..
[16:22:46] 	 03(mod) [Regression] jquery.ui buttons in Monobook exchanged - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35046  normal->minor; +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[16:22:49] 	 sumanah: so, did you want to help surface the main features from the list?
[16:22:59] 	 jubo2: tell the room what error message you are facing
[16:23:01] 	 also
[16:23:06] 	 !debug | jubo2 
[16:23:06] 	 jubo2: For information on debugging (including viewing errors), see http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:How_to_debug
[16:23:10] 	 guillom: that sounds like a good idea, yes
[16:23:14] 	 !1.19 del
[16:23:14] 	 Successfully removed keyword: 1.19
[16:23:49] 	 guillom: I broke up the big long lists into sections
[16:23:53] 	 !1.19 is Branched at r110996 on 9 Feb 2012. http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.science.linguistics.wikipedia.technical/56919 Deployed to Wikimedia sites in Feb/March 2012. Tracking 1.19 bugs at https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=1.19.0%20release&list_id=98470  1.19.0beta2 released 27 March 2012 http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/mediawiki-announce/2012-March/000111.html
[16:23:53] 	 Successfully added keyword: 1.19
[16:24:01] 	 guillom: and Mark, Krenair, & others have improved & added to it
[16:24:24] 	 guillom: but I want to be slightly science-y about it -- how about you say what you think the big 2-4 things to call out might be, and then I'll reveal my thinking
[16:24:51] 	 ok, going through the list
[16:25:11] 	 sumanah: no error message. just that the CAPTCHA doesn't kick-in when it's supposed to ( page save )
[16:25:29] 	 sumanah: Is there a file somewhere I can look for error message ?
[16:25:32] 	 of course, Release Manager Reedy, if you have Opinions on what the big things are in 1.19, feel free to share
[16:26:26] 	 Anyone know if we've got a {{rev}} for git?
[16:26:41] 	 The Writer2MediaWiki macro seems to be the last OpenOffice tool to work on recent version http://www.ooowiki.de/Writer2MediaWiki
[16:27:21] 	 New review: Siebrand; "See inline comments." [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4606
[16:29:20] 	 where can I get some help about ConfirmEdit?
[16:29:35] 	 !lists | Qeos 
[16:29:35] 	 Qeos: mediawiki-l and wikitech-l are the primary mailing lists for MediaWiki-related issues. See https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Mailing_lists for details.
[16:29:45] 	 Also here.
[16:30:22] 	 I cant do this module working..
[16:30:37] 	 Which one?
[16:31:11] 	 Captcha dont show..
[16:31:54] 	 sumanah: the 2 things I would feature are the wikitable thing and the ResourceLoader loading of modules by default
[16:32:06] 	 Qeos - which module?
[16:32:31] 	 guillom: funny, I would have focused on i18n improvements + ResourceLoader
[16:33:05] 	 sumanah: well, let's just do an AND
[16:33:11] 	 guillom: makes sense to me!
[16:33:15] 	 wikitable feature? what feature
[16:33:30] 	 Krinkle: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki_1.19#Heads-up_for_MediaWiki_administrators
[16:33:51] 	 oh, that.
[16:33:58] 	 Yaron: I add 'require..' to LocalSettings.php.. also add captcha class 'SimpleCaptcha'.. make it $wgCaptchaTriggers['createaccount'] = true;.. but they are not shown..
[16:34:14] 	 it is a breaking change but probably one of the minorest changes in 1.19 I doubt anyone would notice
[16:34:29] 	 Qeos - is this a public wiki?
[16:34:32] 	 Krinkle: then what do you think are the 2-3 most call-out-able changes in 1.19?
[16:34:36] 	 Krinkle: you're welcome to help us determine the biggest changes
[16:34:36] 	 sumanah: but Writer2MediaWiki doesn't extract images (it place empty [[Image:]]
[16:34:45] 	 Yaron: yes
[16:34:51] 	 What's the URL?
[16:35:02] 	 To be called out in what way, exactly?
[16:35:09] 	 Yaron: http://qeos.ru/wiki/
[16:35:11] 	 04(REOPENED) Red .diffchange text in the green 'added' area may be hard to read for color blinded users - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/11374  +comment (10Erwin Dokter)
[16:35:54] 	 How can I mass import .txt files (they are using mediawiki syntax) into my wiki ?
[16:35:56] 	 guillom: there's a bunch of new stuff to help extensions developers, so maybe that is, like, the 3rd most call-out-able
[16:36:13] 	 Krinkle: so, you see https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki_1.18 ?  We are going to remake the 1.19 page to look more like that
[16:36:21] 	 Qeos - it looks like it's working - I see a CAPTCHA here: http://qeos.ru/wiki/index.php?title=%D0%A1%D0%BB%D1%83%D0%B6%D0%B5%D0%B1%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%8F:UserLogin&type=signup
[16:36:31] 	 The math problem at the bottom.
[16:36:34] 	 Krinkle: to give a little detail, in prose, about just a few areas where 1.19 introduces noticeable or noteworthy change
[16:36:50] 	 ok
[16:36:53] 	 Yaron: no.. 2+2 this I try to make before..
[16:36:55] 	 apergos: you know more import stuff than I do, could you maybe help ed8 ?
[16:36:57] 	 in code..
[16:36:58] 	 New review: Szymon ?wierkosz; "Revision class already performs checks whether user can access the content or not. Methods return em..." [mediawiki/core] (master) C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4658
[16:37:13] 	 Oh, okay.
[16:37:41] 	 Qeos - maybe that change you made, to add "2 + 2", is messing up the ConfirmEdit behavior?
[16:38:16] 	 Qeos - actually, never mind; it looks like ConfirmEdit is not actually installed: http://qeos.ru/wiki/index.php/%D0%A1%D0%BB%D1%83%D0%B6%D0%B5%D0%B1%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%8F:Version
[16:38:16] 	 ok.. 1 sec..
[16:38:22] 	 is there          any way to un-import imported pages?
[16:38:24] 	 sumanah: sounds good :) right now the page is still too much list-like
[16:38:32] 	 pokeswap: delete them
[16:38:42] 	 !e Nuke | pokeswap
[16:38:43] 	 pokeswap: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Nuke
[16:38:56] 	 Yaron: yes.. how to make active it?
[16:39:18] 	 Qeos - you need to add it to LocalSettings.php.
[16:39:26] 	 What line(s) did you add there?
[16:39:54] 	 Krinkle: I therefore do ask you, and Reedy and ^demon and anyone else who has an opinion, what the most noteworthy changes in 1.19 are.
[16:39:55] 	 New review: IAlex; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/core] (master) C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4606
[16:40:17] 	 i imported pages and i tried nuking them, but they do not show up i  the nuke
[16:40:40] 	 Yaron: http://pastebin.com/s7vk5KSH
[16:40:54] 	 its first lines..
[16:40:57] <^demon>	 sumanah: Anything important should be in the release notes. I can't think of anything super important off the top of my head.
[16:41:08] <^demon>	 It was a lot of little stuff and backend stuff.
[16:41:23] 	 ^demon: I see the release notes, but the question is, within the release notes, what's most noteworthy.
[16:41:26] 	 pokeswap - I guess it depends on who the author(s) are, for each of those imported pages.
[16:42:07] 	 so, do i have to go to each imported page (there are like 200) and delete the page or is there an un-import
[16:43:35] 	 sumanah: so, did you want to do anything else interactively?
[16:43:56] 	 guillom: nah, just the deciding of what to call out.
[16:44:04] 	 sumanah: ok
[16:44:19] 	 Qeos - you might have to move the ConfirmEdit lines to lower in the file; I'm not sure.
[16:44:26] 	 sumanah: do you want to do the same for 1.20?
[16:44:29] 	 Try moving them to the end.
[16:44:57] 	 guillom: Which -- it sounds like the big categories would be "resourceloader", "backend stufffff" (possibly including stuff for extensions developers), i18n, and "stuff for editors" that might include the wiki table stuff.... what do you think?
[16:45:06] 	 pokeswap - there's definitely no un-import.
[16:45:21] 	 Reedy: Do you know of any diff-tool changes in 1.20 and/or recently on wmf?
[16:45:24] 	 This extension might be helpful, too, though:
[16:45:26] 	 pokeswap, who imported the pages? You?
[16:45:27] 	 sumanah: I wasn't going to include the last one, per Krinkle
[16:45:31] 	 !e DeleteBatch | pokeswap
[16:45:32] 	 pokeswap: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:DeleteBatch
[16:45:46] 	 guillom: ok, that makes sense.  I'll take a look at 1.20 now and see....
[16:45:51] <^demon>	 Krinkle: diff styles changed, but the html should be the same in 1.20.
[16:45:52] 	 Reedy: backend that is, not frontend
[16:45:57] 	 Reedy: http://cl.ly/0B222y1J3U0c3903470g
[16:46:00] 	 yes, i imported the pages. they worked on mediawiki.org but not on my wiki
[16:46:05] 	 Reedy: every word separate
[16:46:09] 	 03(mod) iOS 4.2 Large article loading is slow while we inject content into the dom - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35843  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[16:46:14] 	 Reedy: that wasn't the case on master a few weeks ago
[16:46:18] 	 how can I mass import .txt files into my wiki ?
[16:46:24] * Reedy  shrugs
[16:46:27] 	 Krinkle: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki_1.20#What.27s_new.3F is this still true, regarding ResourceLoader and 1.20?
[16:46:40] 	 I heard about special:import but seems it's a one file form
[16:46:59] 	 sumanah: No, never was. Gadgets are an extension, not related to MediaWiki
[16:47:15] 	 Krinkle: "not related" is a strong term :)
[16:47:36] 	 sumanah: well, it isn't. can't put it otherwise
[16:47:51] 	 Krinkle: I would say your definition of "related" is different from mine.
[16:47:52] 	 03(mod) All menu text is shown as "null" before the UI is fully initialized. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35845  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[16:48:06] 	 New patchset: Nikerabbit; "Add desc msg for wiktionary mobile" [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4730
[16:48:09] 	 Krinkle: anyway.  Could you reword to make it more accurate? right now it says:
[16:48:10] 	 Gadgets are always loaded through ResourceLoader, which means each module executes in a local (new) scope by default.
[16:48:10] 	     The upcoming ResourceLoader 2.0 includes a Top load queue (while most of the specifications aren't included in MW 1.19). This will be first released as part of MediaWiki 1.19. From that release on, the mediawiki and jquery module are loaded from the top, and extensions can add their modules to the top by setting 'position' to 'top' in the array item of $wgResourceModules
[16:48:13] 	 sumanah: it's not part of core and even the gadget isn't ready and the development of it is in a branch still
[16:48:39] 	 03(mod) Sometimes "Clear history" doesn't work - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35846  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[16:48:47] 	 Krinkle: RL2 is working/stable? I am curious how gadget management will be slower after migrating to UI based interface...
[16:48:56] 	 Beau_: no
[16:49:04] 	 Krinkle: ok, so the issue isn't the degree to which Gadgets is "related" to MediaWiki, the problem is that the entire paragraph is inaccurate because the functionality won't be ready yet? in which case, I'm removing it
[16:49:27] 	 This isn't very pretty https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Version
[16:49:30] 	 sumanah: it will not ever be related to mediawiki release pages because it is an extension
[16:49:37] 	 sumanah: I've removed both points
[16:50:05] 	 Krinkle: oh come on.  It's an incredibly important extension, and this page isn't just about core, it should also reflect changes in extensions that will affect users when we deploy
[16:50:13] 	 Yaron: nope.. do not working... ((
[16:50:16] 	 sumanah: I agree
[16:50:34] 	 03(mod) Article content is shown below saved articles - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35847  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[16:50:35] 	 sumanah: but Gadgets 2.0 is in heavy development, its no where near stable or deployment
[16:51:11] 	 it is not in mw core, it isn't in gadgets MW1.19 and ins't in gadgets MW1.20alpha master
[16:51:32] 	 Qeos - I don't know. But you need to get ConfirmEdit to show up in the Special:Version page.
[16:52:17] 	 Yaron: yep.. I think true.. but.. it dont work..
[16:53:17] 	 when will 1.19 be FULLY OUT
[16:54:04] 	 pokeswap: Reedy and others are working on that release.  "by the end of April" is a good estimate, and very likely sooner
[16:54:05] 	 Yaron: may be my LocalSettings.php is to old? 
[16:54:16] 	 Qeos - that could be.
[16:54:41] 	 they recreate if I rename it
[16:57:28] 	 guillom: I think I need to talk with robla and a few other people before I can in good conscience ask you to attack the 1.20 page
[16:57:41] 	 sumanah: fair enough
[16:57:45] 	 I just properly branched 1.20
[16:58:28] 	 Reedy: can you tell us what is noteworthy in 1.20 -- changes that we will especially want to tell the community to watch out for?  maybe chrismcmahon_brb has thoughts on this as well
[16:58:56] 	 New review: Siebrand; "Replied inline." [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4606
[16:58:58] 	 Reedy: as guillom communicates to the various reader & editor communities, he'll need a few key points to hammer home -- https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki_1.20 is a giant list that doesn't yet provide that kind of insight
[16:59:19] 	 a few that strike me: "The preference to display missing links as �link?� (instead of just redlinks) has been removed."
[16:59:35] 	 it has? 
[16:59:37] 	 huh
[16:59:45] 	 I don't think anyone still uses that, but heh
[17:00:01] 	 1.20 *shouldn't* be a big release
[17:00:05] 	 if they do we will hear about it...
[17:00:07] 	 03(mod) Add keyboard shortcuts - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35596  +comment (10Diederik van Liere)
[17:00:10] 	 in a couple years when they upgrade :-D
[17:00:13] 	 ""Show Changes" on default messages shows now diff against default message text. "
[17:00:38] 	 ooh, this is going to make some people happy: "New edit emails for watched pages always provide a link to the edit which triggered the mail."
[17:02:50] 	 ok, guillom, I'm going to move stuff around on that page and I'll let you know when I think it's fit for humans to look at :-) probably in like 20 min (you may be done with your day by then)
[17:02:55] * robla  is talking to Diederik now, and in meetings for next hour
[17:03:18] 	 sumanah: yes, I'm going to have dinner, but I can take a look tomorrow
[17:03:27] 	 ok, makes sense.
[17:07:11] 	 on wiki/mw-config page I get error: "Warning: Cannot load module 'pdo_sqlite' because required module 'pdo' is not loaded in Unknown on line 0".. what I need to do?
[17:11:35] 	 03(WONTFIX)  in browsers tab [html ] in Special:MovePage - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/29376  (10Tim Weyer)
[17:19:30] <pokeswap>	 is there a script i can run to delete the logs?
[17:21:10] <Nikerabbit>	 no
[17:21:56] <codurr>	 03yaron * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/114847> 10/trunk/extensions/ApprovedRevs/README: New version, 0.6.1
[17:26:40] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Krinkle; "Increase QUnit async stop() timeout limit, improve documentation" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4732
[17:27:15] <pokeswap>	 what does <noinclude> do?
[17:28:17] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: jenkins-bot; "Build Successful " [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 1 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4732
[17:28:25] <pokeswap>	 or <includeonly>?
[17:29:16] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Ryan Lane; "Adding missing global" [mediawiki/extensions/OpenStackManager] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4733
[17:30:07] <Lcawte>	 Reedy: can the API handle more than one namespace in a request, for example when pywikipedia uses the API to get double redirects?
[17:30:18] <sdubois>	 I am running a couple wikis on a server, and there is one that is not functiong properly. When i access, it i always get a 500 error, my apache logs are showing require_once(): Failed opening required '/home/carpet/public_html/includes/ProfilerStub.php' (include_path='.:/usr/share/pear:/usr/share/php') in /usr/share/mediawiki116/includes/WebStart.php on line 71
[17:30:31] <sdubois>	 other wikis on this server are running fine
[17:30:53] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Ryan Lane; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/OpenStackManager] (master); V: 0 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4733
[17:31:03] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Ryan Lane; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/OpenStackManager] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4733
[17:31:06] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Ryan Lane; [mediawiki/extensions/OpenStackManager] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4733
[17:31:13] <pokeswap>	 do you have the file?
[17:31:22] <pokeswap>	 ProfileStub.php?
[17:33:28] <^demon>	 sdubois: Check your StartProfiler.php configuration and compare it to the StartProfiler.sample. The format changed and it wasn't 100% back-compatible.
[17:35:45] <pokeswap>	 when will 1.19 be FULLY OUT?
[17:36:34] <^demon>	 Soon. And again, please stop shouting.
[17:44:01] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Delete project should delete all instances, security groups and volumes assocated with it. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/32369  +comment (10Ryan Lane)
[17:44:54] <Lcawte>	 Its not even the caps this time, its bolded as well O.o
[17:47:57] <Reedy>	 Lcawte: no idea. Try it
[17:48:48] <Lcawte>	 would it be like 1,2 for example if it did handle it?
[17:48:57] <Reedy>	 pipe usually
[17:49:04] <em>	 is it possible for me to fix this site -- http://wiki.club-ubuntu.org ?
[17:49:15] <em>	 that is an old version of mediawiki and its been so attacked by spam
[17:49:32] <em>	 id like to install a captcha or something but is it possible to update it to the current version?
[17:49:40] <Reedy>	 It's not that all
[17:49:49] <Reedy>	 Yeah, you should be fine upgrading to current releases
[17:49:54] <Reedy>	 just backup first, just in case
[17:50:12] <em>	 how does one updgrade to a current release?
[17:50:16] <Reedy>	 !upgrade
[17:50:16] <mw-bot>	 http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Upgrading
[17:50:26] <Reedy>	 Pretty much a case of replacing files, and then running a script
[17:50:29] <Katie_WMDE>	 ^demon: Reedy so i made a local branch for the wikidatarepo extension
[17:50:51] <Katie_WMDE>	 i'd like to push it to gerrit, so
[17:50:58] <Lcawte>	 Reedy: does the API throw errors at all?
[17:51:15] <Katie_WMDE>	 we don't use git-review? or how do i do it correctly?
[17:51:21] <Reedy>	 It will
[17:51:56] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Nikerabbit; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4606
[17:54:00] <^demon>	 Katie_WMDE: Just update the .gitreview file to reflect the branch you're wanting to push to.
[17:54:11] <em>	 could i pay someone 10 dollars worth of bitcoins to update my mediawiki site to the newest version?
[17:54:15] <Katie_WMDE>	 uh, okay
[17:54:33] <Reedy>	 em: it's really not difficult
[17:54:34] <Katie_WMDE>	 it has defaultbranch and i change that?
[17:54:38] <^demon>	 Yep.
[17:54:42] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Aaron Schulz; "[FileBackend] Added some basic directory functions." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4725
[17:54:42] <Katie_WMDE>	 ok
[17:54:47] <Katie_WMDE>	 then it will automatically be created
[17:54:52] <em>	 Reedy: so 10 dollars would be a pretty good deal then :)
[17:55:12] <saper>	 Katie_WMDE: you want to push to Wikidata?
[17:55:18] <Katie_WMDE>	 and i think we're not really using git review at this point but i can use it
[17:55:24] <Katie_WMDE>	 saper: i do :)
[17:55:39] <Katie_WMDE>	 they want us to have multiple branches for diffferent parts
[17:55:54] <saper>	 they didn't work with gerrit :)
[17:56:02] <Katie_WMDE>	 saper: we are i think
[17:56:12] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: jenkins-bot; "Build Failed " [mediawiki/core] (master); V: -1 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4725
[17:57:18] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Translating MediaWiki: pages seems not possible. Deletion does not happen either. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35332  +comment (10Robin Pepermans (SPQRobin))
[17:57:56] <Katie_WMDE>	 it says Creating a git remote called gerrit that maps to: 
[17:58:05] <saper>	 Katie_WMDE: good
[17:58:06] <Katie_WMDE>	 seems wrong to me
[17:58:11] <Katie_WMDE>	 "Called gerrit"?
[17:58:15] <saper>	 yes
[17:58:20] <Katie_WMDE>	 ummm, okay
[17:58:36] <Katie_WMDE>	 We don't know where your gerrit is.
[17:59:40] <Katie_WMDE>	 Please manually create a remote named gerrit and try again.
[17:59:42] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) add easy way to get all cookies with javascript - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35889 normal; MediaWiki: Javascript; (umherirrender_de.wp)
[17:59:48] <Katie_WMDE>	 obviously i'm doing it wrong
[18:00:09] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Allow us to setup alternate names/redirects for mailing lists - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/24453  +comment (10Nemo_bis)
[18:00:19] <saper>	 you will have one more git "remote", doesn't hurt
[18:00:30] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Translating MediaWiki: pages seems not possible. Deletion does not happen either. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35332  +comment (10Niklas Laxström)
[18:00:39] <Qeos>	 Oh Yeah
[18:00:43] <Katie_WMDE>	 saper: ok
[18:01:04] <Katie_WMDE>	 .gitreview: needs update
[18:01:07] <Katie_WMDE>	 ugh
[18:01:31] <Katie_WMDE>	 someday i'll be expert at this stuff 
[18:04:34] <saper>	 Katie_WMDE: don't wast your mind & time
[18:04:34] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Reedy; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4730
[18:04:36] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Reedy; [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4730
[18:04:38] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Translating MediaWiki: pages seems not possible. Deletion does not happen either. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35332  +comment (10Robin Pepermans (SPQRobin))
[18:04:46] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Images rendering for high-DPI / high device pixel ratio / "retina" display - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35844  +comment (10Bawolff)
[18:04:52] <Katie_WMDE>	 saper: i was able to git push origin mybranchname
[18:05:23] <Katie_WMDE>	 my gitreview file is wrong i think but i can fix it next time maybe\
[18:06:35] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) importImages on Fenari is broken on 1.19wmf1 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34773  +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[18:06:40] <wikibugs>	 14(WFM) Make font size usable on Galaxy Nexus (and other xhdpi devices) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35708  +comment (10Brion Vibber)
[18:06:50] <em>	 so to update all i have to do is download the current version, stick all the files where the current wiki files are, and then run the upgrade script?
[18:07:11] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Bsitu; "I will fix the duplication on my 20% day" [mediawiki/core] (master) C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3328
[18:07:21] <em>	 can an upgrade to the current version be successful even on a site this old -- http://wiki.club-ubuntu.org ?
[18:08:03] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) add easy way to get all cookies with javascript - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35889   +upstream; +comment (10Krinkle)
[18:08:31] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Add Extension:Arrays from trunk to 1.18 before release to smooth the upgrade path from ArrayExtension (present in 1.18, removed in 1.19) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/32692  +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[18:08:58] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Siebrand; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4606
[18:09:03] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Implement $wgResourcesPath and $wgResourcesDirectory - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31173  summary (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[18:09:08] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Krinkle; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4732
[18:09:11] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Krinkle; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4732
[18:10:05] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) IIS File Not Found Issue (problem identified) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35890 blocker; MediaWiki: Images and files; (randyest1)
[18:11:14] <em>	 any people here?
[18:11:23] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Implement $wgResourcesPath and $wgResourcesDirectory - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31173  +comment (10Krinkle)
[18:11:59] <em>	 balrog: hi, do you know how to update mediawiki sites?
[18:12:17] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Implement $wgResourcesPath and $wgResourcesDirectory - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31173  +comment (10Krinkle)
[18:12:23] <bawolff>	 em: What's your specific question?
[18:12:55] <em>	 bawolff: im going to try to upgrade this site to the current version -- http://wiki.club-ubuntu.org
[18:13:01] <em>	 its very old and its riddled with spam
[18:13:10] <em>	 is it possible to get it to the current version?
[18:13:12] <saper>	 Katie_WMDE: you lucky guys are exempt from review
[18:13:28] <em>	 and it is correct that it is just replacing all the files that are currently there with the current version and then running the upgrade script?
[18:13:47] <bawolff>	 em: yep, that's basically how it works
[18:14:29] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) Stage source tree on fenari with git instead of svn - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34138  +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[18:14:48] <codurr>	 03bsitu * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/114848> 10/trunk/extensions/PageTriage/ (PageTriage.hooks.php includes/PageTriage.php): adding support for autopatroling
[18:14:48] <wikibugs>	 04(REOPENED) References to /resources should target the correct mwversion - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31051  +comment (10Krinkle)
[18:15:25] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) References to /resources should target the correct mwversion - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31051  +comment (10Krinkle)
[18:17:11] <em>	 bawolff: Could you i pay you do to do it?
[18:17:23] <pokeswap>	 what does ___ have to do with mediawiki?
[18:17:25] <pokeswap>	 !test
[18:17:25] <mw-bot>	 This is a nifty test of niftiness ... http://z0r.de/2650 << lookie, isn't that cool? :)
[18:18:13] <Krinkle>	 O_O
[18:18:45] <pokeswap>	 what at all?
[18:18:57] <bawolff>	 em: I'm sure there is somebody out there who would be willing to do that sort of thing for money
[18:19:29] <pokeswap>	 if it does not have anything to do with mediawiki whay is it on the bot?
[18:20:23] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) install Extension:SpecialInterwiki in read-only mode on all WMF wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/22043  +comment (10Sumana Harihareswara)
[18:20:26] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) 3rd party library list should be localised - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34657  +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[18:21:07] <bawolff>	 pokeswap: devs get bored sometimes
[18:21:17] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) 3rd party library list (and their licenses) should be localised - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34657  summary (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[18:21:17] <Katie_WMDE>	 saper: just for now
[18:22:00] <Katie_WMDE>	 i think you can set your own rules for your own extensions, but then as we get towards productions then we need extensive review
[18:22:00] <pokeswap>	 !DEV
[18:22:00] <mw-bot>	 I don't know anything about "dev". You might try: !devsecurity !documentation !events !git !i18n !itsalwaysbugzilla !meetings !mwhelp !nosql !resourceloader !security !sqlsearch !stroopwafels !topic !tunemysql !votes !welcome !wiki !wikimania !wmf 
[18:22:01] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) Create the WMF deployment branch - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35139  +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[18:22:15] <pokeswap>	 !DEVSEURITY
[18:22:16] <mw-bot>	 I don't know anything about "devseurity".
[18:22:21] <pokeswap>	 !DEVSEcURITY
[18:22:21] <mw-bot>	 http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Security_for_developers
[18:22:24] <saper>	 Katie_WMDE: whatever; I'll check out Phabricator
[18:22:39] <Katie_WMDE>	 saper: sounds good
[18:23:04] <Katie_WMDE>	 though i'm beginning to find my way around gerrit, but still getting used to the git workflow with many collaborators
[18:23:05] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) Update make-release to work with git - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35360  +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[18:23:05] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Migrate subversion to git (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/22596  (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[18:23:12] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) Update make-wmf-branch to work with git - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35359  +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[18:23:13] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Migrate subversion to git (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/22596  (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[18:23:24] <Katie_WMDE>	 versus my pet projects and scholarships where hardly no one helps me :/
[18:24:12] <bawolff>	 pokeswap: !botbrain will give you full list
[18:24:54] <saper>	 Katie_WMDE: our gated trunk setup with gerrit is a subset of many possible git workflows
[18:25:27] <Amgine>	 bawolff: xe should use #mwbot though.
[18:25:30] <codurr>	 03raindrift * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/114849> 10/trunk/extensions/PageTriage/PageTriage.php: added authors, so folks know who to blame
[18:25:34] <Katie_WMDE>	 saper: sure
[18:26:13] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) install Extension:SpecialInterwiki in read-only mode on all WMF wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/22043  +comment (10Robin Pepermans (SPQRobin))
[18:26:51] <Katie_WMDC>	 now i'm working on scholarships :)
[18:27:02] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Install extension:SubpageSortkey on wikibooks - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/22911  +comment (10Bawolff)
[18:30:34] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Reha Sterbin; "Added Option 4 back to the js" [mediawiki/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4735
[18:30:41] <codurr>	 03raindrift * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/114850> 10/trunk/extensions/PageTriage/SpecialPageTriage.php: now that we're not doing zoom, this should go to the article
[18:31:58] <wikibugs>	 03(ASSIGNED) Disparity between submit clicktracking events and AFTv5 records created - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35590  (10Reha Sterbin)
[18:34:31] <codurr>	 03kaldari * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/114851> 10/trunk/extensions/PageTriage/ (4 files in 2 dirs): revamping the css and js for loading more articles, allowing infinite scrolling override from query string
[18:37:50] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) IIS File Not Found Issue (problem identified) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35890  +comment (10Bawolff)
[18:41:21] <codurr>	 03bsitu * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/114852> 10/trunk/extensions/PageTriage/SpecialPageTriage.php: escape display data
[18:42:57] <pokeswap>	 i just made my first template (2 of them both used in http://spyinginc.com/wiki/index.php?title=Dead_person%27s_spy_profile ) :)
[18:47:28] <pokeswap>	 it was very hard for me do do that
[18:47:32] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Aaron Schulz; "Fixed use of undefined FILES_ONLY constant." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4737
[18:48:35] <AaronSchulz>	 hashar: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#change,4737
[18:49:09] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: jenkins-bot; "Build Failed " [mediawiki/core] (master); V: -1 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4737
[18:49:21] <hashar>	 AaronSchulz: hello
[18:50:05] <hashar>	 AaronSchulz: that one remembers me something :-]
[18:50:37] <AaronSchulz>	 I wonder whats with jenkins
[18:50:41] <AaronSchulz>	 failing on some db test
[18:50:42] <hashar>	 PHP_Invoker_TimeoutException: Execution aborted after 1 second
[18:50:50] <hashar>	 we use a sqlite backend
[18:50:57] <hashar>	 there must be some race condition to access the hard drive
[18:51:40] <wikibugs>	 14(WFM) References to /resources should target the correct mwversion - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31051  +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[18:51:41] <hashar>	 qchris posted on bug 34037 about it
[18:51:49] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) IIS File Not Found Issue (problem identified) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35890  +comment (10Bryan Tong Minh)
[18:51:58] <AaronSchulz>	 hashar: anyways can you merge that?
[18:52:18] * AaronSchulz  ran into it setup up a wiki on his ubuntu partition
[18:52:20] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Site slow with memcached misconfigured - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35891 normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (balkamm)
[18:52:27] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Hashar; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4737
[18:52:38] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Hashar; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4737
[18:52:43] <AaronSchulz>	 yay
[18:52:53] <hashar>	 I think I commented about keeping that constant
[18:52:57] <hashar>	 or at least thought about it :-]
[18:53:04] <codurr>	 03kaldari * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/114853> 10/trunk/extensions/PageTriage/SpecialPageTriage.php: allow infinite scrolling override in both directions; realized we dont need to cast the flag to a string before passing it to javascript since the raw boolean works fine
[18:53:58] <pokeswap>	 is therre any way to just get the exprot all part of 1.19?
[18:54:03] <pokeswap>	 if so, how?
[18:54:35] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Site slow with memcached misconfigured - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35891  +comment (10Max Semenik)
[18:55:37] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Site slow with memcached misconfigured - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35891  +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[18:56:00] <pokeswap>	 also, i am getting a backtrace, how do i see what the error is?
[18:56:36] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Site slow with memcached misconfigured - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35891  +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[18:56:53] <Amgine>	 I'm getting 403 on gerrit?
[18:57:02] <Reedy>	 403 what?
[18:57:24] <codurr>	 03bsitu * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/114854> 10/trunk/extensions/PageTriage/SpecialPageTriage.php: Remove unused old code
[18:57:47] <Firebolt>	 pokeswap, $wgShowExceptionDetails = true;
[18:58:06] <Amgine>	 Reedy: http://pastebin.com/jKbVmTKt
[18:58:12] <pokeswap>	 http://pastebin.com/RZMG0n2i ok
[18:58:18] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) IIS File Not Found Issue (problem identified) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35890  +comment (10Freer)
[18:58:52] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) IIS File Not Found Issue (problem identified) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35890  +comment (10Freer)
[19:00:05] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Reedy; "Title::moveToInternal doesn't return anything, but it does throw an exception" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4517
[19:00:49] <chughakshay16>	 hashar : hi,
[19:01:29] <pokeswap>	 i have that set, but all i am getting is http://pastebin.com/RZMG0n2i ok
[19:01:30] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: jenkins-bot; "Build Successful " [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 1 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4517
[19:01:55] <Amgine>	  <!blames Reedy>
[19:02:16] <Reedy>	 I'm not sure that's supposed to work yet
[19:02:19] <chughakshay16>	 hashar: some help with gerrit !
[19:02:37] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Aaron Schulz; "Fixed missing argument to pingExpensiveCache() call." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4740
[19:02:39] <pokeswap>	 !error
[19:02:39] <mw-bot>	 For information on debugging (including viewing errors), see http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:How_to_debug
[19:02:51] <hashar>	 chughakshay16: I can't this evening sorry :-(
[19:02:53] <AaronSchulz>	 hashar: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4740 sorry, another one :)
[19:02:57] <hashar>	 chughakshay16: too busy with several patches
[19:03:02] <hashar>	 AaronSchulz: same, too busy sorry :-(
[19:03:03] <pokeswap>	 ??? how do i fix?
[19:03:18] <chughakshay16>	 hashar: np, will ask someone else..
[19:03:29] <Reedy>	 pokeswap: you've still only a backtrace
[19:03:53] <Amgine>	 Reedy: it's c/p from MW: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Download_from_Git
[19:03:58] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: jenkins-bot; "Build Successful " [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 1 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4740
[19:04:08] <chughakshay16>	 Dantman : need some help with gerrit
[19:04:09] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Missing resources in debug mode - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35892 normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (fomafix)
[19:04:11] <hexmode>	 is AFTv5 deployed on mw.o?
[19:04:17] <Reedy>	 No
[19:04:23] <Reedy>	 only enwiki
[19:05:01] <chughakshay16>	 mutante: hi,
[19:06:06] <Reedy>	 Amgine: works fine for me..
[19:06:21] <AaronSchulz>	 Reedy: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4740
[19:06:57] <Amgine>	 <grumbles, tries a second time>
[19:07:38] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Site slow with memcached misconfigured - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35891  +comment (10Matt Balkam)
[19:07:45] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Reedy; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4740
[19:07:48] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Reedy; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4740
[19:08:08] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Variable names showing on the oversight page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35849  +comment (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[19:08:26] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Hashar; "(34037) phpunit tests timeout too fast" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4741
[19:08:28] <wikibugs>	 14(INVALID) test - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35851  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[19:08:39] <pokeswap>	 yes, still only a backtrace, even with error_reporting e_all
[19:08:46] <hashar>	 AaronSchulz: ok, have you got your change reviewed yet?
[19:08:57] <Reedy>	 i just reviewed one
[19:09:21] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Block form shows options reserved for IPs when blocking a user and viceversa - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35893 normal; MediaWiki: Blocking; (maurelio)
[19:09:36] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) make unit test work with PHPUnit invoker - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34037  +comment (10Antoine "hashar" Musso)
[19:09:49] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: jenkins-bot; "Build Successful " [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 1 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4741
[19:09:55] <hashar>	 AaronSchulz: I have found out a way to raise the PHPUnit timeout from 1s to 2s : https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#change,4741
[19:09:55] <AaronSchulz>	 hashar: yep
[19:10:13] <hashar>	 ideally, all DB tests should be part of the medium group (10s timeout)
[19:11:07] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Aaron Schulz; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4741
[19:11:10] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Aaron Schulz; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4741
[19:11:50] <AaronSchulz>	 hashar: are you reruning jenkins for 4725?
[19:12:28] <pokeswap>	 all i am getting is http://pastebin.com/RZMG0n2i
[19:12:58] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) LCStore_DB cache is not refreshed on action=purge - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35854  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[19:13:07] <hashar>	 AaronSchulz: you could do it  if logged in Jenkins and by following https://integration.mediawiki.org/ci/job/MediaWiki-GIT-Fetching/608/
[19:13:17] <hashar>	 AaronSchulz: there is a link on the left that says "retrigger"
[19:13:51] <hashar>	 AaronSchulz: login is your labs account
[19:15:21] <pokeswap>	 also, does this line look like valid PHP coding $this->checkExecutePermissions( $this->getUser() );
[19:16:24] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: jenkins-bot; "Build Successful " [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 1 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4725
[19:16:43] <Reedy>	 Yes
[19:16:54] <Reedy>	 pokeswap: We need the error, otherwise we're just guessing
[19:18:06] <hashar>	 AaronSchulz: 4725 fixed in jenkins :-]
[19:19:12] <AaronSchulz>	 was that you or me?
[19:20:00] <pokeswap>	 here is the page http://pastebin.com/TFEHcmmu and here is the HTML http://pastebin.com/U0YaSLLF
[19:20:09] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Hashar; "(34037) phpunit tests timeout too fast" [mediawiki/core] (REL1_19) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4742
[19:20:23] <pokeswap>	 here is the page http://pastebin.com/TFEHcmmu and here is the HTML http://pastebin.com/U0YaSLLF
[19:20:42] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) make unit test work with PHPUnit invoker - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34037  +comment (10Antoine "hashar" Musso)
[19:21:10] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Hashar; "Cherry pick of https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#change,4741" [mediawiki/core] (REL1_19); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4742
[19:21:27] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: jenkins-bot; "Build Successful " [mediawiki/core] (REL1_19); V: 1 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4742
[19:21:31] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Hashar; "Cherry picked in REL1_19 with https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#change,4742" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4741
[19:22:32] <pokeswap>	 does that help?
[19:24:47] <pokeswap>	 can you tell me how to fix?
[19:25:23] <Joe___>	 Can anyone point me to the code where a session is being created?
[19:25:50] <Danwe_wmde>	 anyone knows how to check with mw JavaScript whether the content  and skin languages are rtl or ltr languages?
[19:26:40] <pokeswap>	 !help with code
[19:26:40] <mw-bot>	 http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:with
[19:27:07] <bawolff>	 Joe_: See wfSartSession() in includes/GlobalFunctions.php
[19:29:52] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Aaron Schulz; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/core] (REL1_19); V: 0 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4742
[19:29:54] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Aaron Schulz; [mediawiki/core] (REL1_19) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4742
[19:32:38] <Joe___>	 Thanks Bawolff
[19:33:45] <Amgine>	 Bawolff: if all I have is source code for a non-working wiki, where would I find the version number?
[19:34:08] <bawolff>	 includes/DefaultSettings.php Look for $wgVersion
[19:34:15] <bawolff>	 or look in RELEASE-NOTES
[19:34:18] <Amgine>	 tyvm.
[19:35:05] <bawolff>	 some of the api code may have revision numbers in it as well
[19:35:55] <Amgine>	 <nods>
[19:37:56] <Amgine>	 bawolff: I'm working on a case of update interruptus; not sure if it will be recoverable and no db backups.
[19:38:22] <bawolff>	 Are you updating from something newer than 1.5?
[19:38:27] <Amgine>	 Yes.
[19:38:32] <Amgine>	 1.13.4
[19:38:34] <bawolff>	 then its probably recoverable
[19:39:15] <Amgine>	 Process: replace all files except Images/, maintenance/update.php?
[19:39:26] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) Missing resources in debug mode - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35892  +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[19:39:40] <bawolff>	 well probably want to keep extensions too, but generally yes
[19:39:45] <Amgine>	 kk.
[19:40:11] <bawolff>	 if an update was interupted, you might want to try and figure out at what step the update was interupted
[19:40:39] <bawolff>	 because the updater will probably detect the partially done update as being fully "done"
[19:43:20] <Amgine>	 Bawolff: http://pastebin.com/93J0Mf0Q
[19:43:50] <bawolff>	 you need bigger and better user permissions
[19:44:08] <Amgine>	 <nods> I expected that was the case.
[19:44:24] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Aaron Schulz; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4700
[19:44:27] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Aaron Schulz; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4700
[19:44:53] <Amgine>	 <moar server power too>
[19:45:29] <Joe___>	 bawolff if I am trying to setup a session cookie would I call the wfSetupSession()?  the wfStartSession() did not exist.  I am trying to setup a SSO with another application.
[19:46:30] <bawolff>	 whoops, did i say wfStartSession, I mean wfSetupSession
[19:46:37] <Joe___>	 Ha ha ok
[19:47:05] <Joe___>	 Well how do you feel about what I said.  I basically am looking to start a session on page load because every user will be already authenticated.
[19:47:29] <bawolff>	 hmm, I'm not the most familar with mediawiki's authentication system
[19:48:02] <Joe___>	 Do you know how the session cookie is made?  Generally how the value is created?
[19:48:22] <Joe___>	 Essentially I can't figure out what the value in the cookie is.
[19:48:43] <bawolff>	 CentralAuth does seem to call wfSetupSession when it does its single sign on thing
[19:49:00] <Joe___>	 What is CentralAuth?
[19:49:18] <bawolff>	 Its an extension that Wikimedia uses that makes logging into one wiki log into several
[19:49:28] <Joe___>	 I see.
[19:49:36] <Joe___>	 Well that is not what I need.
[19:49:39] <Joe___>	 Alteast not yet:)
[19:49:44] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: IAlex; "Use local context to get messages" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4744
[19:50:22] <Joe___>	 I have been trying to read through this stuff for about 3 days now.  I can't figure out up from down :)
[19:50:39] <Joe___>	 I am new to modding the source though.
[19:50:52] <bawolff>	 It uses the OnUserLoadFromSession hook to look for its own cookie, and then eventually calls wfSetupSession to set up the wikis local session
[19:51:14] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: jenkins-bot; "Build Successful " [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 1 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4744
[19:51:18] <bawolff>	 Joe___: have you read https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/AuthPlugin
[19:51:28] <Joe___>	 No I have not
[19:51:36] <Joe___>	 This is the first time I have seen this
[19:52:13] <bawolff>	 It probably has useful information related to what you want to do
[19:53:01] <Joe___>	 yes it seems related.
[19:54:32] <Platonides>	 Joe___, what are you trying to do?
[19:55:04] <Joe___>	 Well essentially I am trying to take an existing systems authentication and use it to log a MW user in.
[19:55:23] <Joe___>	 I need to create a session, userid, and username cookies associated with MW
[19:55:34] <Joe___>	 I have a system that already creates 2 of those
[19:55:39] <Joe___>	 userSession and userID
[19:55:52] <Joe___>	 I can't figure out how the session is created.
[19:56:06] <Joe___>	 Does that help Platonides?
[19:56:47] <Joe___>	 Sorry I didn't create user session I created username and user id
[19:56:54] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: GWicke; "Set inclusion flag for attribute transform managers too" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4745
[19:57:23] <Joe___>	 I need to create userSession still.
[19:57:52] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Szymon ?wierkosz; "Minor fixes of a JavaScript code." [mediawiki/extensions/ProofreadPage] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4746
[20:00:48] <Joe___>	 Plantonides: Did my messages help at all?
[20:01:47] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Aaron Schulz; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4744
[20:01:49] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Aaron Schulz; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4744
[20:04:42] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Reha Sterbin; "Added Option 4 back to the js" [mediawiki/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4735
[20:05:04] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) IIS File Not Found Issue (problem identified) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35890  +comment (10Freer)
[20:06:55] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Reha Sterbin; "Reinstated auto-flag as abuse custom action for AbuseFilter" [mediawiki/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4747
[20:09:29] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) iOS 4.2 Large article loading is slow while we inject content into the dom - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35843  (10Tomasz Finc)
[20:09:53] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) MobileFrontend breaks frontend caching in some cases - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35842  (10Tomasz Finc)
[20:10:01] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Dismiss keyboard when users is scrolling through full screen search reulsts - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35841  (10Tomasz Finc)
[20:10:09] <Amgine>	 bawolff: best suggestion for changing timelimit for just this one run of update?
[20:11:10] <bawolff>	 Amgine: Best to just run from command line, where time limit should not apply
[20:11:33] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Aaron Schulz; "[FileBackend] Simplified fj_batch_id index. If we want to sort the ops for a batch ID, we can just use a tiny to small filesort. No need to make the index bigger." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4748
[20:12:58] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: jenkins-bot; "Build Successful " [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 1 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4748
[20:13:43] <Amgine>	 bawolff: it does, and I am.
[20:14:04] <bawolff>	 Well that's odd ;)
[20:14:27] <Amgine>	 <nods>
[20:14:31] <bawolff>	 If its from the cli, you should feel free to increase it to as big a value as you want. Most php cli installs have the time limit disabled
[20:14:35] <bawolff>	 or at least mine does
[20:14:55] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Amire80; "This patchset is similar to https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#change,4675" [mediawiki/extensions/MoodBar] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4749
[20:17:18] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) The arrow near "Respond to this" in the MoodBar dashboard points the wrong way in RTL environment - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35877  +comment (10Amir E. Aharoni)
[20:19:39] <SPQRobin>	 am I correct that a git checkout may not contain local modifications when updating, and you need to "stash" them? I don't like that :(
[20:21:06] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Robmoen; "Migrate tools from SurfaceObserver Class ContextView positioning, Italic, and Bold annotations working" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4750
[20:21:43] <^demon>	 SPQRobin: Only if git pull cannot merge them cleanly.
[20:21:53] <^demon>	 If it can't, it'll make you stash first so you don't destroy your work
[20:21:54] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Min and max parameters are treated incorrectly in AllCategories when sorting in reverse - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35855  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[20:21:56] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Robmoen; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4750
[20:22:03] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Robmoen; [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4750
[20:22:37] <SPQRobin>	 ok, I see
[20:24:32] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) redirectToFragment shouldn't use legacy javascript - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35858  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[20:24:53] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Cannot make inline comments on iPad/iPhone - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35859  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[20:25:22] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Gerrit is a browser memory hog - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35860  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[20:26:34] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Wikipedia app shouldn't show duplicates within history if we haven't navigated to a new article - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35861  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[20:26:51] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) "Share to Twitter" fails silently on iOS 4.3, breaks toolbar - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35863  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[20:27:09] <SPQRobin>	 hmm, and you cannot update just one or more files/directories within a checkout, you must update it completely or not
[20:28:12] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Being too Bold - well formed Bold syntax confounded by malformed one later - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35864  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[20:28:29] <bawolff>	 hexmode: did you name that bug?
[20:28:44] <hexmode>	 heh
[20:28:45] <hexmode>	 no
[20:29:00] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) [Regression] PHP fatal error in SpecialWikiSets.php - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34979  (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[20:30:37] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Being too Bold - well formed Bold syntax confounded by malformed one later - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35864   +parser; +comment (10Bawolff)
[20:30:45] <codurr>	 03bsitu * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/114855> 10/trunk/extensions/PageTriage/ (19 files in 7 dirs): remove whitespaces and add array type hint to function parameter
[20:31:01] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Invalid argument supplied for foreach() - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35865  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[20:31:44] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Division by zero in Expr.php on line 423 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35866  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[20:32:21] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) "Share to Twitter" fails silently on iOS 4.3, breaks toolbar - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35863  +comment (10Yuvi Panda)
[20:32:29] <hexmode>	 chrismcmahon: ^^ those two bugs look like they'd be good to track down 
[20:32:42] <hexmode>	 chrismcmahon: the last two with my name ;)
[20:33:57] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) testApiListPages() incomplete - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35867  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[20:34:43] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Pre-upload thumbnail shows spinner, never finishes on Windows 8 Consumer Preview / IE 10 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35870  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[20:35:06] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Pre-upload thumbnail shows spinner, never finishes on Windows 8 Consumer Preview / IE 10 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35870  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[20:36:30] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Alex Monk; "Add missing uploads link to deleted contributions." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4751
[20:37:55] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: jenkins-bot; "Build Successful " [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 1 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4751
[20:39:10] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Jenkins should not accept PHP files with spurious output (without <?php) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35871  +comment (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[20:39:57] <Krenair>	 I think there's something wrong on mw.org with <source> tags
[20:40:28] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Reports of secret key generation "hanging" on windows - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35894 normal; MediaWiki: Installation; (bawolff+wn)
[20:41:08] <bawolff>	 Krenair: can you be more specific?
[20:41:14] <Krenair>	 Look at Project:Sandbox
[20:41:26] <Krenair>	 And just about every other page showing use of source
[20:41:43] <bawolff>	 wow, yep that does look broken ;)
[20:42:07] <Krenair>	 Those boxes aren't supposed to be there
[20:42:09] <bawolff>	 probably something to do with 1.20
[20:42:19] <bawolff>	 and or custom css
[20:43:59] <bawolff>	 appears that html tidy is artificially closing a <pre> early
[20:44:51] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Install ConfirmAccount extension on Wikimedia wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/13782  +comment (10Sumana Harihareswara)
[20:45:40] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) centralauth db has myisam tables in production - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35872  +comment (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[20:46:16] <bawolff>	 Krenair: w3 validator is claiming that <div>'s are not allowed inside <pre>'s
[20:46:21] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Separate projects and groups - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35874  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[20:46:44] <bawolff>	 Krenair: I'll file a bug
[20:46:48] <Krenair>	 ok
[20:47:00] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: GWicke; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4745
[20:47:03] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: GWicke; [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4745
[20:47:27] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) logmsgbot/Morebots should create links to Gerrit - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35876  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[20:48:02] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) The arrow near "Respond to this" in the MoodBar dashboard points the wrong way in RTL environment - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35877  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[20:49:30] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Enable e-mail notifications for watchlist (EnotifWatchlist) on tawiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35878  normal->15enhancement; +comment (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[20:49:39] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) DjVu thumbs failing - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35895 normal; Wikimedia: Media storage; (federicoleva)
[20:50:25] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) [Regression] WikiEditor can't be disabled on 1.20wmf1 / mediawiki.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35879  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[20:51:21] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Semantic Project Management / version working with SMW 1.7.1 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35882  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[20:52:13] <codurr>	 03py * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/114856> 10/trunk/lucene-search-2/debian/ (12 files in 2 dirs):
[20:52:13] <codurr>	 adding the debian dir that was used to make the packages that are currently in prod.
[20:52:13] <codurr>	 copyright needs to be filled in, but I don't know these things...
[20:52:22] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Geshi outputs invalid html which further gets borked by tidy causing ugly boxes. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35896 normal; MediaWiki extensions: SyntaxHighlight (GeSHi); (bawolff+wn)
[20:52:33] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Unintuitive nagging for gerrit after review - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35883   +upstream (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[20:52:36] <bawolff>	 Krenair: --^
[20:52:45] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Unintuitive nagging for gerrit after review - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35883  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[20:54:00] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Chrome: Editing "undos" limited until last edit toolbar click - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35887  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[20:54:36] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Install ConfirmAccount extension on Wikimedia wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/13782  +comment (10Oliver Keyes)
[20:54:43] <hexmode>	 robla, sumanah: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35879 - [Regression] WikiEditor can't be disabled on 1.20wmf1 / mediawiki.org -- looks like this just needs to be pushed, bug "highest" since it is in production
[20:58:25] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Reports of secret key generation "hanging" on windows - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35894  +comment (10Daniel Friesen)
[20:59:18] <Amgine>	 <has an image of secrets for key generation found taped to a window somewhere>
[20:59:50] <sumanah>	 yeah
[21:00:07] <sumanah>	 hexmode: hmm! need to look at that, thanks for the heads-up
[21:01:32] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Disparity between submit clicktracking events and AFTv5 records created - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35590  +comment (10Dario Taraborelli)
[21:08:52] <wikibugs>	 03(WONTFIX) Add Extension:Arrays from trunk to 1.18 before release to smooth the upgrade path from ArrayExtension (present in 1.18, removed in 1.19) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/32692  +comment (10Gregor Hagedorn)
[21:10:00] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) add easy way to get all cookies with javascript - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35889  normal->15enhancement (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[21:11:35] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) IIS File Not Found Issue (problem identified) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35890  +comment (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[21:14:40] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Site slow with memcached misconfigured - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35891  +comment (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[21:15:10] <wikibugs>	 14(WFM) Site slow with memcached misconfigured - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35891  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[21:15:56] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Robmoen; "On annotate, get current selection from model Fixes link annotation, and any annotation that pops up an inspector as selection is lost." [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4753
[21:16:04] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Site slow with memcached misconfigured - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35891  +comment (10Matt Balkam)
[21:16:34] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Robmoen; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4753
[21:16:40] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Robmoen; [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4753
[21:16:55] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Block form shows options reserved for IPs when blocking a user and viceversa - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35893  +comment (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[21:18:43] <wikibugs>	 03(WONTFIX) Being too Bold - well formed Bold syntax confounded by malformed one later - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35864  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[21:19:05] <sumanah>	 Reedy: is this accurate https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki_1.20#Readers_and_editors_will_notice (specifically, is that the set of biggest things readers and editors will notice)?
[21:19:59] <sumanah>	 Krinkle: AaronSchulz, Krenair, hexmode, Platonides and Zaran, I'd love your opinion as well ^^
[21:20:21] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Extended characters show up as "?" in Gerrit user names - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35626  +comment (10Marcin Cieślak)
[21:20:29] <hexmode>	 sumanah: was just looking.  like the cleanup :)
[21:20:52] <sumanah>	 :D
[21:21:01] <HMichael>	 why isn't the roadmap of 1.19 refreshed?
[21:21:08] <sumanah>	 HMichael: good question
[21:21:14] <Firebolt>	 HMichael, you broke it!
[21:21:30] <sumanah>	 HMichael: give me a moment and I'll do what I can
[21:21:31] <HMichael>	 1.19 should have been released about a month ago
[21:21:45] <HMichael>	 and its hard to get some info about the delay
[21:22:06] <hexmode>	 sumanah: I may also go through and just make the lines that begin (bug ###) a little clearer.  But that'll probably be tomorrow.
[21:22:08] <HMichael>	 delay is not so bad than missing information about it :(
[21:22:58] <sumanah>	 HMichael: We finished deploying MediaWiki 1.19 to all Wikimedia sites, and aim to have a tarball release out by sometime in April 2012.
[21:23:06] <sumanah>	 HMichael: hexmode and Reedy are the ones who know the most about that
[21:23:37] <sumanah>	 chrismcmahon: hexmode: Reedy - next time you get further towards the goal of 1.19 tarball release, add a status at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki_1.19/Roadmap/status and update the date at the top so folks like HMichael get reassurance? :D
[21:24:31] <HMichael>	 i just want to give you some feedback and dont want to get someone angry, you are making good word, but there is always space for improvement
[21:24:55] <HMichael>	 i remember that 1.19 roadmap said in february that it will be released at beginning of march
[21:25:24] <HMichael>	 so we (company, some thousands of user) delayed the deployment of 1.18 to upgrade from 1.17 to 1.19
[21:26:31] <HMichael>	 we have about 10 wiki instances and some of them have broken skins since 1.17, which we already fixed in a new version, but upgrading so many wikis with different extensions can be a hard time
[21:27:06] <HMichael>	 so we are waiting since some weeks for 1.19 to be "soon" released ;)
[21:27:34] <sumanah>	 HMichael: you saw the release candidate, right?
[21:27:38] <HMichael>	 and the lack of information makes it some kind of impossible to explain the delay of fixing the skins to the end user
[21:27:46] <sumanah>	 HMichael: My apologies
[21:28:16] <HMichael>	 no need to apology, just give us in the future more information whats going on
[21:28:47] <HMichael>	 maybe a weekly update about what was done and what is the expected target week
[21:29:26] <HMichael>	 and if there pops up some delay, everyone will see it
[21:30:22] <sumanah>	 HMichael: we should be more communicative - agreed
[21:30:34] <HMichael>	 :)
[21:31:01] <^demon>	 We really need to work out an avian carrier system for release notifications.
[21:31:51] <HMichael>	 how do you calculate the expected release date currently?
[21:32:00] <HMichael>	 do you have some kind of taskboard?
[21:32:05] <HMichael>	 burndown chart or something?
[21:32:10] <sumanah>	 HMichael: no
[21:32:17] <sumanah>	 HMichael: there are various manual estimates
[21:32:41] <sumanah>	 HMichael: hexmode, our bugmeister, works with developers, users, and the managers to figure out what bugs block the release
[21:33:07] <sumanah>	 HMichael: you can see them here https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/query.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=1.19.0%20release
[21:33:08] <chrismcmahon>	 and complicated in recent times by the move to git/gerrit
[21:33:18] <Krinkle>	 Is anyone else experiencing an abnormal amount of session loss on mediawiki.org?
[21:33:25] <Reedy>	 no
[21:33:34] <Krinkle>	 every single time I tried to preview an edit today I got logged out, and clicking Login instantly shows I'm already logged in
[21:33:49] <^demon>	 chrismcmahon: Not significantly. We tagged the second RC right after the migration :)
[21:33:54] <Krinkle>	 the preview page shows me in a logged out state
[21:33:59] <Krinkle>	 although the error says
[21:34:00] <Krinkle>	 "Sorry! We could not process your edit due to a loss of session data. Please try again. If it still does not work, try logging out and logging back in.
[21:34:01] <Krinkle>	 "
[21:34:11] <Krinkle>	 clicking login or logout shows in the header that I am in fact still logged in
[21:34:15] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Translations needed for new menu items - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34834  +comment (10Patrick Hayes)
[21:34:23] <^demon>	 Krinkle: Maybe you should keep your session data in a safe place, then you won't lose it ;-)
[21:34:34] <Krinkle>	 very funny :P
[21:34:43] <sumanah>	 Reedy: I know you and hexmode are talking about how to proceed on these 2 blocker bugs
[21:34:44] <chrismcmahon>	 Krinkle: I have been seeing that recently in labs beta
[21:34:46] <Krinkle>	 this is most definitely a bug
[21:34:59] <Krinkle>	 it seems every POST again I do toggles session los
[21:35:02] <Krinkle>	 on /of /on /off
[21:35:05] <Reedy>	 Mmm
[21:35:16] <Krinkle>	 but it is never really lost
[21:35:36] <Reedy>	 That's the decision, and working out if we can get another set of i18n/l10n in for 1.17.4/1.18.3/1.19.0whatever
[21:35:57] <sumanah>	 Reedy: ok. how are you leaning?
[21:35:58] <^demon>	 Are we doing a 1.17.4?
[21:36:10] <Reedy>	 !1.17
[21:36:11] <mw-bot>	 MediaWiki 1.17 is out. Latest version is 1.17.1; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Download>; REL1_17 branched on 7 December 2010 at 77974 <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/77974>;
[21:36:29] <Krinkle>	 1) logged in fine, 2) press edit (still logged in), 3) preview (shows me logged out, error says session loss), 4) preview ( shows me logged in), 5) preview (shows me logged out), 6) preview (shows me still logged out), 7) navigate to special:userlogin (shows me logged in)
[21:36:31] <Krinkle>	 Arggh!
[21:36:33] <Reedy>	 ^demon: I think we more so should as we broke stuff in 1.17.3
[21:36:33] <HMichael>	 1.17.1?
[21:36:48] <Reedy>	 lol
[21:36:52] <Reedy>	 !1.17 del
[21:36:52] <mw-bot>	 Successfully removed keyword: 1.17
[21:36:59] <sumanah>	 HMichael: are you on the mediawiki-announce mailing list?
[21:37:00] <sumanah>	 !lists
[21:37:00] <mw-bot>	 mediawiki-l and wikitech-l are the primary mailing lists for MediaWiki-related issues. See https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Mailing_lists for details.
[21:37:04] <Reedy>	 !1.17 is MediaWiki 1.17 is out. Latest version is 1.17.3; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Download>; REL1_17 branched on 7 December 2010 at 77974 <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/77974>;
[21:37:05] <mw-bot>	 Successfully added keyword: 1.17
[21:37:07] <HMichael>	 yes i am
[21:37:21] <HMichael>	 sumanah: and i am awaiting a mail every day :P
[21:37:25] <sumanah>	 HMichael: great, so you saw the announcement of the release candidate
[21:37:31] <sumanah>	 HMichael: I wish you could use that :)
[21:38:27] <sumanah>	 Reedy: hexmode: so how will we proceed on 1.19 release? can we just skip fixing https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=34885 and https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=35046 as too hard?
[21:38:28] <HMichael>	 sumanah: i would use it, but my workmate dont want to ^^
[21:38:37] <Reedy>	 HMichael: hopefully we should have movement by the end of the week
[21:38:42] <sumanah>	 HMichael: how important is Internet Explorer to you?
[21:39:04] <Reedy>	 Krinkle just left, un-usefully
[21:39:13] <chrismcmahon>	 ...but I can't repro Krinkle's issue on mw.o
[21:39:25] <hexmode>	 sumanah: got to go, but it whatever reedy wants is fine w/ me
[21:39:28] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) Cannot scroll low enough to see all content - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35551  +comment (10Patrick Hayes)
[21:39:38] <sumanah>	 hexmode: ok.
[21:39:49] <HMichael>	 sumanah: its default browser in our company (even if we [the developers] dont like it), but its needed for some 3rd party software
[21:39:52] <Reedy>	 robla and I were discussing them on my 1:1
[21:40:34] <tenal>	 I need help exporting a template on Wikipedia and importing it on my wiki.
[21:40:42] <sumanah>	 there's Krinkle, Sam
[21:40:57] <tenal>	 Every time I do so, the template page is all messed up.
[21:41:10] <Reedy>	 Wahey
[21:41:17] <^demon>	 tenal: Messed up how?
[21:41:31] <tenal>	 http://clansandguilds.nfshost.com/wiki/index.php/Template:Infobox
[21:41:38] <Reedy>	 Krinkle: is https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=35046 easy to fix? (at the end of the day, it's an annoyance, not anything broken)
[21:41:47] <^demon>	 !ParserFunctions | tenal
[21:41:47] <mw-bot>	 tenal: "Parser functions" are a way to extend the wiki syntax. ParserFunctions is an extension that provides the basic set of parser functions (you have to install it separately!).  For help using parser functions, please see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Magic_words#Parser_functions>. For details about the extension, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ParserFunctions>.
[21:42:13] <^demon>	 tenal: You'll need to install that extension.
[21:42:18] <tenal>	 I believe it came installed automatically with MediaWiki.
[21:42:26] <tenal>	 It is in my extentions directory.
[21:42:28] <Reedy>	 Packaged
[21:42:30] <Reedy>	 Not installed
[21:42:36] <Reedy>	 sumanah: ok, not going to be blocking on i18n updates
[21:42:39] <Krinkle>	 Reedy: I don't know if it is a regression
[21:42:40] <Krinkle>	 R
[21:42:41] <Krinkle>	 ee
[21:42:47] <Krinkle>	 Reedy: Either way it is a one line css change
[21:42:56] <Krinkle>	 I thought I unassigned that and added keyword easy
[21:43:00] <Reedy>	 Can you fix it and commit it then please? :p
[21:43:10] <HMichael>	 lol
[21:43:12] <HMichael>	 :D
[21:43:19] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) [Regression] jquery.ui buttons in Monobook exchanged - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35046   +easy (10Krinkle)
[21:43:37] <^demon>	 tenal: If it's in the extensions directory you should just be able to include it in your LocalSettings and be good to go.
[21:43:38] <Krinkle>	 Reedy: If you assign it to me, maybe I will :P
[21:43:46] <tenal>	 Oh.
[21:43:59] <Krinkle>	 I'll have to reproduce it first
[21:44:03] <Reedy>	 You just unassigned it! Pfffft
[21:44:13] <Krinkle>	 currently got my mind on something else, but I'll re-assign
[21:44:19] <Krinkle>	 I was reading your cmt later
[21:44:43] * sumanah  adds detail in comment
[21:44:44] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) [Regression] jquery.ui buttons in Monobook exchanged - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35046  +comment (10Sumana Harihareswara)
[21:45:08] <HMichael>	 sumanah: hmm, if bugzilla would allow you to enter the "hours time to finish" an issue, you could have a simple burndown chart
[21:45:12] <tenal>	 Oh, cool. Thanks for the help!
[21:45:16] <wikibugs>	 03(ASSIGNED) [Regression] jquery.ui buttons in Monobook exchanged - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35046  (10Krinkle)
[21:45:22] <sumanah>	 HMichael: This would also require all our engineers to actually use that, though.
[21:45:26] <Reedy>	 ^
[21:45:34] <sumanah>	 HMichael:  that kind of change is, in my experience, far harder to cause.
[21:45:36] <Reedy>	 Microsoft Project and Sharepoint
[21:45:37] <Reedy>	 Fuck yeah
[21:45:45] <robla>	 Reedy: ^demon: my apologies....we're actually not meeting in 15 min
[21:45:46] <Krinkle>	 sumanah: It should be a blocker however, it is a serious usability issue and can cause all kins of problems when people intuitively click the wrong button
[21:45:49] <sumanah>	 Reedy: ok, so now, Bug 34885 - [Regression] RTL with IE-7 (or IE 8/9 in "compatability mode") does not show any toolbar
[21:45:54] <HMichael>	 no, not ms project and sharepoint, just TFS ^^
[21:46:00] <Krinkle>	 The reason not many users noticed is because we use Vector as default skin
[21:46:04] <Krinkle>	 and barely test on monobok
[21:46:11] <Reedy>	 lol
[21:46:11] <sumanah>	 chrismcmahon: ^^^ 
[21:46:29] <Krinkle>	 however anyone upgrading from pre 1.17 (either directly or indirectly) will have mono book as skin because it is hardcoded in localsettings
[21:46:29] <sumanah>	 HMichael: would you possibly be able to help us fix this?
[21:46:39] <sumanah>	 HMichael: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=34885 I mean
[21:46:53] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) [Regression] jquery.ui buttons in Monobook exchanged - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35046  minor->04BLOCKER (10Krinkle)
[21:46:55] <sumanah>	 HMichael: there's a patch there that doesn't....quite....work
[21:47:03] <robla>	 Reedy: ^demon: you would think that being the useless manager type that I am, that I would at *least* be able to operate a calendaring app effectively, but I was looking at next week's schedule 
[21:47:23] <Reedy>	 Pfft
[21:47:27] <Reedy>	 We schedule things? ;)
[21:47:29] <sumanah>	 HMichael: some PHP, some JavaScript, and a little CSS
[21:47:45] <HMichael>	 sumanah: sumanah: i am sorry, technically i could help you, but i have no time, either at work or in private :(
[21:47:47] <robla>	 anyhoo...off to file TPS reports
[21:47:49] <robla>	 carry on
[21:47:50] <Reedy>	 sumanah: we could just kick features and make them fix their broken stuff
[21:47:53] <^demon>	 robla: So do we have a meeting in 13 minutes or not? :p
[21:48:03] <^demon>	 Ah, no, missed the scrollback.
[21:48:08] <robla>	 ^demon: we do not.  I am, in fact, an idiot  :)
[21:48:48] <sumanah>	 robla: can you help us get Features to fix https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=34885 ?
[21:49:06] <sumanah>	 robla: oh, horrors, am I supposed to get someone to fix it as part of 20% time?
[21:50:23] <sumanah>	 HMichael: my sympathies. Hope you can come to one of our events sometime -- tell the bosses it'll help your productivity and lower TCOO or something
[21:50:25] <sumanah>	 !events
[21:50:25] <mw-bot>	 We run face-to-face events for MediaWiki developers and people who want to learn: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki_developer_meetings We also have online meetings in IRC to triage bugs: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Bug_management/Triage
[21:51:25] <sumanah>	 ok, Reedy, since you haven't actually contradicted me, I am going to presume that what I wrote in https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki_1.20#Readers_and_editors_will_notice is accurate.
[21:51:31] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Aaron Schulz; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4751
[21:51:40] <^demon>	 sumanah: I removed a few minor items from it.
[21:52:58] <sumanah>	 got it, ^demon 
[21:53:04] <Zaran>	 sumanah : it looks good to me, but I don't have a wide enough view of mediawiki's development to make a good evaluation of this page
[21:53:11] <HMichael>	 sumanah: lol, i work for a local government; so it was hard to get a wiki to document our IT knowledge, i would not even get some spare time to work on mediawiki
[21:53:13] <sumanah>	 makes sense, Zaran, no prob
[21:53:37] <HMichael>	 sumanah: altough it would be very interesting
[21:54:05] <sumanah>	 Zaran: what I was really asking, what I should have said, is -- are there things in the "random stuff" list that one should actually note more prominently because Wikimedia users & editors will actually notice the changes
[21:55:16] <^demon>	 I believe I've found the worst single user input format I've ever seen in my entire life.
[21:55:27] <^demon>	 Hands down. This is atrocious.
[21:56:06] <^demon>	 Who on earth makes an application where you "sign" by drawing your signature in a field with a mouse?
[21:56:16] <^demon>	 Do you realize how completely impossible it is to sign your name with a mouse?
[21:56:26] <Lcawte>	 Depends who you are...
[21:56:36] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Trevor Parscal; "Removed unused fake cursor div" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4754
[21:56:39] <Lcawte>	 For most people, pretty impossible
[21:57:00] <^demon>	 This is just stupid. Absolutely stupid. I am unable to draw anything that even closely resembles my signature.
[21:57:06] <Lcawte>	 I know one or two people that could though
[21:57:21] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Activation of flood flag on it.wikipedia.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35897 normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (wikirestu20)
[21:57:42] <Reedy>	 With a lot of space, and then shrinking it down... I probably could
[21:58:02] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Krinkle; "Removing button-float-right rule from jquery.ui/vector theme" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4755
[21:58:06] <^demon>	 Yeah, I've got like a 6in x 3in space to work with here.
[21:58:36] <Reedy>	 Yay Krinkle
[21:58:45] <gerrit-wm>	 Change abandoned: Krinkle; "Not working as expected." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4755
[21:58:45] <Krinkle>	 Nope
[21:58:49] <Reedy>	 lol
[21:58:56] <Krinkle>	 Weird
[21:59:12] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Query-continue doesn't work correctly for users with U+FFFD in their name - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35898 normal; MediaWiki: API; (gsvick)
[21:59:30] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: jenkins-bot; "Build Successful " [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 1 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4755
[22:00:14] <Reedy>	 ^demon: do they have any affilitation with a company that makes drawing tablets?
[22:00:38] <Zaran>	 sumanah : "Option on Special:Prefixindex and Special:Allpages to not show redirects (bug 30963)." this seems to be a noticeable change to me (although I haven't tested it yet)
[22:00:52] <sumanah>	 Zaran: go ahead and try it on mediawiki.org and tell me what you think
[22:01:22] <^demon>	 Reedy: No clue. I just tried to do it on my zoom (figured tracing was easier), but the little drawing box won't open on it.
[22:01:46] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Krinkle; "Removing button-float-right rule from jquery.ui/vector theme" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4757
[22:02:04] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) [Regression] jquery.ui buttons order reversed in Vector - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35046  summary; +comment (10Krinkle)
[22:02:05] <sumanah>	 SPQRobin: hey, have you had a chance to look at https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=34885 ?
[22:02:09] <Reedy>	 Krinkle: you could've amended the commit ;)
[22:02:13] <sumanah>	 thanks Krinkle 
[22:02:19] <sumanah>	 I shall now remove from Annoying Little Bugs...
[22:02:23] <Krinkle>	 You're welcome
[22:02:39] <Reedy>	 HMichael: ^ 1 down, 1 to go
[22:02:43] <Krinkle>	 Reedy: Yeah, and world peace
[22:02:49] <Zaran>	 sumanah : I've just tried it, it is definitely noticeable and will probably prove useful for some users
[22:02:50] <HMichael>	 :)
[22:03:08] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: jenkins-bot; "Build Successful " [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 1 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4757
[22:03:11] <Krinkle>	 Reedy: I'll figure that out another time
[22:03:18] <sumanah>	 Zaran: ok! so I shall add it to "things you will notice
[22:03:18] <Reedy>	 :)
[22:03:19] <sumanah>	 "
[22:03:22] <Krinkle>	 Or explain me  / link me how to do it with gerrit
[22:03:46] <Reedy>	 Krinkle: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Git/Workflow#Amend_your_change
[22:03:48] <sumanah>	 !amend
[22:03:48] <mw-bot>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Git/Workflow#Amend_your_change
[22:03:53] <Krinkle>	 wee
[22:03:56] <Reedy>	 3 commands
[22:04:01] <sumanah>	 and then whenever you an amendment
[22:04:06] <sumanah>	 you can call it The First Amendment
[22:04:08] <sumanah>	 or whatever
[22:04:34] <Krinkle>	 hehe
[22:04:51] <sumanah>	 "Freedom of speech -- and code is speech!"
[22:04:58] * sumanah  is being imperialist
[22:05:13] <Krinkle>	 I'm used to using Git by now (not just with wmf but also at github and various others) but I never use amend after I pushed since that doesn't properly work when someone else has it checked out in the mean time
[22:05:27] <em>	 how do i block users as an admin?
[22:05:31] <Krinkle>	 however since it is all staged I suppose gerrit accepts blind amendments
[22:06:00] <Krinkle>	 em: Click "Block this user" when on their User: page
[22:06:06] <Krinkle>	 in the sidebar:toolbox
[22:07:25] <em>	 Krinkle: this is an obvious bot -- http://wiki.club-ubuntu.org/index.php/User:,jn77i
[22:07:32] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) [Regression] jquery.ui buttons order reversed in Vector - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35046  (10Krinkle)
[22:07:34] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Reedy; "As an aside.. Why isn't this table added with tables.sql too?" [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4748
[22:07:37] <em>	 Krinkle: apparently there are over 18,000 of these bots on my site. :/
[22:07:52] <em>	 Krinkle: i odnt see any thing that says block this user in the toolbox
[22:08:03] <Krinkle>	 em: you said "as an admin"
[22:08:20] <Krinkle>	 so I'm assuming you are logged in with an account that is in the "wiki-admin" (or "sysop") user group?
[22:09:00] <em>	 Krinkle: sorry i thought i was logged in but i wasn't.
[22:09:28] <Krinkle>	 em: installing these three extensions should give you a good start defense against spam: Extension:SimpleAntiSpam, Extension:AntiSpoof and Extension:ConfirmEdit
[22:09:29] <Krinkle>	 see also 
[22:09:30] <Krinkle>	 !spam
[22:09:31] <mw-bot>	 For information about combating and handling spam in MediaWiki, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Combating_spam> and <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Anti-spam_features>.
[22:09:53] <Krinkle>	 I see you already have Extension:ConfirmEdit :)
[22:10:18] <em>	 Krinkle: there are perhaps over 20K bots on my site and less than 40 real human beings.
[22:10:33] <em>	 Krinkle: i wonder if there would be any way to block everyone and then unblock the real peole.
[22:11:02] <Krinkle>	 em: Hm.. if you are confident that you can identify the real ones, I'd recommend the following extreme caution:
[22:11:32] <Krinkle>	 1) install a new mediawiki, 2) use Special:Export on the old wiki for all pages you want to keep, 3) Special:Import that file on the new wiki, 4) ask users to create an account on the new wiki (or import the database)
[22:11:42] <Krinkle>	 do 4) before 3)
[22:11:52] <Krinkle>	 the user table of the old database that is
[22:12:05] <codurr>	 03bsitu * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/114857> 10/trunk/extensions/PageTriage/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Update metedata compiling logic for records from "PageMove" and "Mark as Patrolled"
[22:12:08] <Krinkle>	 em: blocking won't do anything likely
[22:12:23] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Trevor Parscal; "I think the ideal way to resolve this would be to set global to false and user to true, but also add..." [mediawiki/extensions/WikiEditor] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4707
[22:12:28] <Krinkle>	 em: spam bots use their account usually only once, and blocking will still leave the user pages, log entries, recent changes etc.
[22:13:24] <Krinkle>	 em: You can also configure ConfirmEdit to require a captcha for every single edit action, and then add trusted users to the 'trusted' user group.
[22:13:51] <Krinkle>	 em:  $wgCaptchaTriggers['edit'] = true; $wgGroupPermissions['trusted' ]['skipcaptcha'] = true;
[22:14:07] <Krinkle>	 lots of possibilities :)
[22:14:23] <HMichael>	 sumanah: thanks for having an ear to me; have to go to sleep now
[22:14:39] <HMichael>	 everyone good luck going for 1.19 :)
[22:14:44] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Krinkle; "A more elaborate commit message would be nice :)" [mediawiki/extensions/WikiEditor] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4707
[22:14:48] <SPQRobin>	 sumanah: hi, about the bug: i'm not familiar with the relevant code, so I'm afraid I cannot really help there. I can try the patch and see if it works.
[22:14:57] <sumanah>	 Thanks HMichael 
[22:15:25] <sumanah>	 SPQRobin: I don't know what the issue was that Trevor identified with it :-/
[22:16:11] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Aaron Schulz; "It's an optional patch for optional logging. It's kind of like the blob and profiling tables." [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4748
[22:16:28] <sumanah>	 hey Zaran - are you an admin on any WMF wikis (other than mediawiki.org)?  I need you to help me understand something about a UI that only admins can use/see
[22:16:29] <Reedy>	 I might do 1.18.3/1.17.4 tomorrow then...
[22:16:41] <Krinkle>	 !b 35879
[22:16:41] <mw-bot>	 https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=35879
[22:17:01] <Zaran>	 sumanah : I'm admin on fr.wikisource is that what you need ?
[22:17:11] <sumanah>	 Zaran: that works!
[22:18:16] <sumanah>	 Zaran: ok, so, in https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki_1.20#Readers_and_editors_will_notice you see that there's a change in 1.20 to what "show changes" does when you're changing a default system message (the ones you get to via Special:AllMessages)
[22:18:47] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Create a welcome page for new users, for when they initially log in - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35210  +comment (10Ryan Lane)
[22:19:21] <sumanah>	 Zaran: so if you could try acting as though you were going to edit a default system message at fr.wikisource, and see what you get when you click Show Changes, and describe or give a screenshot to me, then I can compare to what happens when I try that at mediawiki.org, so I can understand how to describe that in these notes
[22:19:28] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Back Button not consistent across overlays - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35899 normal; Wikipedia App: Generic; (yuvipanda)
[22:19:41] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) web management somewhat broken for new (pediapress?) instance - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35730  +comment (10Ryan Lane)
[22:19:48] <sumanah>	 Zaran: does that make sense?
[22:19:51] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Install ConfirmAccount extension on Wikimedia wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/13782  (10MZMcBride)
[22:19:57] <Zaran>	 sumanah : I understand, I'm on it
[22:20:03] <sumanah>	 Thanks :)
[22:21:20] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Odd session bugs in 1.20wmf1 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35900 major; MediaWiki: User login; (krinklemail)
[22:23:02] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Install ConfirmAccount extension on Wikimedia wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/13782  +comment (10MZMcBride)
[22:24:39] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Odd session bugs in 1.20wmf1 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35900  (10Krinkle)
[22:28:22] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Odd session bugs in 1.20wmf1 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35900  +comment (10Krinkle)
[22:28:32] <Zaran>	 sumanah : this is what I get when I click "Show Changes" while editing a system message which hasn't be created yet
[22:28:34] <Zaran>	 http://imagebin.org/207659
[22:28:39] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Query-continue doesn't work correctly for users with U+FFFD in their name - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35898  +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[22:28:44] <Zaran>	 as you can see, there is nothing in the left part of the diff
[22:28:48] <sumanah>	 Zaran: AHA thanks!!!!
[22:29:32] <Zaran>	 with the new version, you will be able to see the default system message as defined in the localization file in mediawiki's code
[22:30:37] <SPQRobin>	 sumanah: the patch seems to fix the bug, I didn't find any problem with it
[22:31:57] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Geshi outputs invalid html which further gets borked by tidy causing ugly boxes. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35896  +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[22:33:21] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) [Regression] RTL with IE-7 (or IE 8/9 in "compatability mode") does not show any toolbar - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34885  +comment (10Robin Pepermans (SPQRobin))
[22:33:39] <sumanah>	 SPQRobin: talk to Reedy to see whether this means we can just freaking release 1.19 :D
[22:34:17] <sumanah>	 chrismcmahon: are you available to help with testing that particular thing? it's a localisation + IE issue
[22:34:39] <codurr>	 03kaldari * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/114858> 10/trunk/extensions/PageTriage/SpecialPageTriage.php: follow-up to r114853 - nevermind, we actually do need for it to be a string to pass it to JavaScript
[22:34:43] <chrismcmahon>	 sumanah: I can look, I have IE7
[22:35:18] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Elizabeth M Smith; "Fix for bug 35391 activity bug count issues" [mediawiki/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4188
[22:35:27] <sumanah>	 chrismcmahon: great, and even if you do not speak any Hebrew/Arabic/etc you can still see missing toolbar :D
[22:37:14] <SPQRobin>	 sumanah: hehe :) But I suppose, if Trevor said the patch didn't work yet, maybe there's something wrong that I didn't see?
[22:37:25] <SPQRobin>	 Otherwise we can just apply the patch and indeed release 1.19
[22:37:28] <sumanah>	 SPQRobin: that is what I worry about!
[22:37:52] <SPQRobin>	 I don't think it's a big issue for 1.19 itself, but rather for WMF sites
[22:37:55] <Reedy>	 I suppose we should ask Trevor
[22:37:58] <Reedy>	 But he's not in IRC
[22:39:09] * Reedy  emails him
[22:41:37] <SPQRobin>	 Isn't there someone else who can look into this issue in the short term?
[22:42:08] <Reedy>	 I've just emailed Trevor
[22:42:26] <sumanah>	 SPQRobin: you've looked at the comments from Trevor in https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=34885 about what he's worried about?
[22:42:29] <sumanah>	 because those might be clues
[22:43:07] <chrismcmahon>	 hmm, what I don't have is a working local 1.19 env. SPQRobin did you happen to deploy that patch somewhere public
[22:43:08] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Ryan Lane; "Ensure the groups variable is set if getGroups" [mediawiki/extensions/LdapAuthentication] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4760
[22:43:10] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Geshi outputs invalid html which further gets borked by tidy causing ugly boxes. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35896  +comment (10Bawolff)
[22:43:13] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Odd session bugs in 1.20wmf1 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35900  +comment (10Krinkle)
[22:44:01] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Ryan Lane; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/LdapAuthentication] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4760
[22:44:03] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Ryan Lane; [mediawiki/extensions/LdapAuthentication] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4760
[22:44:10] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Odd session bugs in 1.20wmf1 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35900  +comment (10Krinkle)
[22:44:15] <SPQRobin>	 chrismcmahon: I applied it on trunk, but on localhost, not a public wiki
[22:44:41] <wikibugs>	 14(DUP) Geshi outputs invalid html which further gets borked by tidy causing ugly boxes. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35896  +comment (10Krinkle)
[22:44:41] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) <pre> tags generated by extensions should not be collapsed into <pre></pre><div> (content) </div> by Tidy - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35875  +comment (10Krinkle)
[22:44:51] <chrismcmahon>	 SPQRobin:  ok, thanks
[22:49:13] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Geshi outputs invalid html which further gets borked by tidy causing ugly boxes. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35896  +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[22:49:19] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) <pre> tags generated by extensions should not be collapsed into <pre></pre><div> (content) </div> by Tidy - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35875  +comment (10Krinkle)
[22:49:32] <Reedy>	 lol
[22:49:42] <SPQRobin>	 sumanah: Trevor said on the bug that the old toolbar is briefly visible before loading the wikieditor toolbar, which I now noticed once. So probably the patch is okay, but it's not the best way and it increases loading.
[22:50:08] <chrismcmahon>	 heh. aand, the box with the MW install is not the box with IE7, so can't use localhost.  it's a herd of yaks. 
[22:50:12] <sumanah>	 Reedy: ^^^
[22:50:23] <Krinkle>	 this session stuff is driving me nuts
[22:50:29] <Krinkle>	 am I the only  one having that.. !
[22:50:32] <sumanah>	 Krinkle: :( It is not affecting me
[22:50:44] <sumanah>	 Firefox 11 or something, Ubuntu, HTTPS Everywhere installed
[22:50:53] <Krinkle>	 Mac, Chrome, HTTPS Everywhere installed
[22:51:08] <chrismcmahon>	 Krinkle: mw.o is OK for me, but I did see similar behavior on labs commons recently
[22:51:23] <chrismcmahon>	 and labs enwiki
[22:51:24] <Krinkle>	 ok
[22:51:43] <Krinkle>	 test2wiki and mediawikiwiki run 1.20wmf1 
[22:51:52] <chrismcmahon>	 yes
[22:51:58] <Krinkle>	 labs 1.20alpha but considering it was branched today they are equal
[22:52:12] <chrismcmahon>	 and labs is between 1.19 and 1.20wmf1
[22:52:14] <Krinkle>	 chrismcmahon: maybe active sessions aren't affected
[22:52:49] <Krinkle>	 labs is 1.20alpha, 1.20wmf1 was branched from alpha today
[22:53:15] <SPQRobin>	 sumanah / chrismcmahon: I've enabled wikieditor with the patch on http://robinpepermans.be/mw-dev/ (try e.g. http://robinpepermans.be/mw-dev/index.php?title=Main_Page&action=edit&uselang=ar )
[22:53:19] <Krinkle>	 chrismcmahon: you were logged in before mw.o was upgraded to 1.20?
[22:53:44] <chrismcmahon>	 Krinkle: no, I logged in after the upgrade
[22:53:48] <Krinkle>	 ok
[22:56:57] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Cannot scroll low enough to see all content - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35551  +comment (10Dale Lemieux)
[22:57:52] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) [Regression] RTL with IE-7 (or IE 8/9 in "compatability mode") does not show any toolbar - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34885  +comment (10Rob Lanphier)
[22:58:43] <sumanah>	 thank you robla 
[22:59:20] <robla>	 sumanah: no problem
[23:00:07] <chrismcmahon>	 SPQRobin: thanks for doing that, rob says one more try for a patch though
[23:00:51] <sumanah>	 I'm sorry, SPQRobin, I hadn't coordinated with robla there
[23:00:56] <celicni>	 could someone tell me in which timezone are mediawiki timestmps (on wikimedia servers)?
[23:01:00] <celicni>	 is it UTC?
[23:01:30] <enhydra>	 it is
[23:02:17] <celicni>	 enhydra: then why is offset for CET and for CEST the same (+02:00)?
[23:02:42] <SPQRobin>	 chrismcmahon: yes, apparently the patch is working but in an "ugly" way
[23:02:47] <robla>	 sumanah: my fault, I probably should have said something before talking to Trevor, though I went into that conversation with a fully different hypothesis than what we eventually talking about
[23:02:51] <codurr>	 03kaldari * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/114859> 10/trunk/extensions/PageTriage/ (5 files in 2 dirs): adding support for error messages; adding error message for when no articles are retrieved
[23:03:52] <robla>	 Krinkle: since you seem to be around; Trevor will likely be pinging you soon about bug 34885
[23:04:00] <Krinkle>	 !b 34885
[23:04:01] <mw-bot>	 https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=34885
[23:04:05] <SPQRobin>	 sumanah: no problem, it's good that it's now going to be fixed
[23:04:09] <Krinkle>	 ok
[23:04:14] <celicni>	 20120102032143 -> 5:21, 2. January 2012. (CET)
[23:04:20] <celicni>	 20120409231151 -> 1:11, 10. April 2012. (CEST)
[23:04:21] <sumanah>	 SPQRobin: :) thanks for understanding
[23:04:42] <celicni>	 (both have 2 hours offset)
[23:05:05] <brion>	 celicni: where do you see these exactly?
[23:05:27] <celicni>	 brion: timestamps are from database, and dates are from my user contributions on sr.wiki
[23:05:43] <brion>	 istr some specific bug affecting things like that, might or might not be fixed
[23:06:08] <brion>	 celicni: is your timezone set to +2? or to a location-based zone?
[23:06:35] <brion>	 if on the default, then it's probably fixed to +2 at the moment rather than really using the proper timezone
[23:07:05] <brion>	 celicni: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=32297
[23:07:22] <celicni>	 it si (default: Europe/Berlin)
[23:07:41] <brion>	 celicni: set is explicitly to Europe/Berlin and see if it changes
[23:07:53] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Helder.wiki; "I think the "usebetatoolbar" preference should not be removed, since bug 30796 was only about the "u..." [mediawiki/extensions/WikiEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4339
[23:08:53] <Reedy>	 I guess .ui-dialog .ui-dialog-buttonpane button { float: right; } should be removed from 1.17 and 1.18 too as they also have it
[23:10:13] <celicni>	 brion: yes, it changes.  
[23:10:24] <celicni>	 let me just see if i understood correctly: if it is set on default, then display alters CEST times when in CET and vice versa?
[23:10:53] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) IIS File Not Found Issue (problem identified) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35890  +comment (10Bawolff)
[23:11:21] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Siebrand; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/Narayam] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4070
[23:11:24] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Siebrand; [mediawiki/extensions/Narayam] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4555
[23:11:25] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Siebrand; [mediawiki/extensions/Narayam] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4070
[23:11:43] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) High-density display issues on mobile devices (tracking) xhdpi hdpi Retina high-resolution - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/32101  summary; +comment (10Brion Vibber)
[23:12:41] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Images rendering for high-DPI / high device pixel ratio / "retina" display - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35844  +comment (10Brion Vibber)
[23:12:42] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) High-density display issues on mobile devices (tracking) xhdpi hdpi Retina high-resolution - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/32101  (10Brion Vibber)
[23:14:43] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Siebrand; "See inline comment." [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4629
[23:16:14] <wikibugs>	 14(WFM) Remove references to code deprecated before 1.17 in 1.18 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/28863  +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[23:16:41] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) MediaWiki 1.17.4/1.18.3 maintenance release - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35676  +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[23:19:38] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Siebrand; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4723
[23:19:40] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Siebrand; [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4723
[23:24:13] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) MediaWiki 1.17.4/1.18.3 maintenance release - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35676   +tracking (10Krinkle)
[23:24:14] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Tracking bug (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/2007  (10Krinkle)
[23:24:44] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Kaldari; "This is indeed the correct way to handle the button layout, and how it is handled in other jQuery.ui..." [mediawiki/core] (master) C: 1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4757
[23:24:56] <brion>	 celicni: yes. the way we set the default right now is wrong, and causes dates on the other side of the daylight-saving-time boundary to show wrong time offsets.
[23:25:22] <Reedy>	 I do like the add reviewer function of gerrit
[23:25:34] <brion>	 it's handy :D
[23:26:10] <Reedy>	 Automatically send them an email rather than you going to find them? $lazy++;
[23:27:23] <celicni>	 brion: thanks!
[23:27:40] <pokeswap>	 where is memcached located?
[23:27:51] <pokeswap>	 ! memcached
[23:28:17] <sumanah>	 ok, I need to head off to eat dinner and prep to be interviewed on a podcast
[23:28:29] <sumanah>	 robla: anything in particular you need from me before I go?
[23:28:52] <bawolff>	 pokeswap: in memory like any other process (That's probably not what you mean to ask, but i like playing with words ;)
[23:29:13] <robla>	 sumanah: I'm good.  thanks for the start on the plan for Guillaume.  I'll take a crack at blog post wording
[23:29:28] <pokeswap>	   where is it in the document root? it is not in $IP/memcached
[23:29:30] <sumanah>	 robla: cool, the draft is just a launchpad
[23:30:16] <sumanah>	 robla: you can see the blog post draft, right?
[23:30:32] <robla>	 sumanah: lemme check
[23:30:47] <bawolff>	 pokeswap: its where ever you put it... It is not distributed with mediawiki
[23:32:12] <swappoke>	   where is it in the document root? it is not in $IP/memcached
[23:33:52] <robla>	 sumanah: I've got the draft, thanks!
[23:33:59] <sumanah>	 robla: ok, I just edited it
[23:34:12] <sumanah>	 robla: so now it lines up with what's in https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki_1.20
[23:34:38] <sumanah>	 Glad you can see it - just wanted to check because I know sometimes the authorship stuff is weird
[23:35:19] <swappoke>	   where is it in the document root? it is not in $IP/memcached
[23:37:05] <swappoke>	 ?
[23:38:36] <Reedy>	 bawolff: I find memcached on disk sometimes
[23:38:39] <^demon>	 swappoke: You have to install memcached separately, it's not included with MediaWiki like bawolff said.
[23:39:22] <bawolff>	 Reedy: I hear its also in the inter-tubes
[23:39:33] <swappoke>	 so, there is not a directory?
[23:39:53] <Reedy>	 No
[23:40:00] <Reedy>	 Not unless you checkout its source code
[23:40:07] <^demon>	 swappoke: No, you have to install it, it's not anywhere inside of MediaWiki.
[23:41:01] <swappoke>	 wherre do i get it from? do i need CLA or is there a wotkaround?
[23:41:13] <Reedy>	 You will need CLI
[23:42:19] <swappoke>	 so, i need the command line and there is not a workaround?
[23:42:58] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Demon; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/core] (REL1_19); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4705
[23:43:05] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Demon; [mediawiki/core] (REL1_19) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4705
[23:46:42] <Reedy>	 You need to be able to download and install/download and compile, then run a binary, so no
[23:47:49] <swappoke>	 cron jobs do not work, either?
[23:48:10] <Reedy>	 no
[23:48:25] <chrismcmahon>	 swappoke: why do you want memcached? that serves a very limited purpose. 
[23:49:17] <swappoke>	 becuase i want a chat for my wiki and the only one i know of is wikia's which has memcached. not to mention, it sometimes takes 20 seconds to load my wiki
[23:49:59] <^demon>	 swappoke: Does your server have APC installed? That would give an immediate performance improvement for much less work than Memcached.
[23:50:40] <swappoke>	 APC? does .5 have APC? i do not know. 
[23:50:45] <swappoke>	 !apc
[23:50:46] <mw-bot>	 I don't know anything about "apc". You might try: !emailconfirmed 
[23:50:46] <Reedy>	 .5?
[23:50:53] <swappoke>	 dot5hosting
[23:51:24] <^demon>	 swappoke: Check your php info, it should mention APC somewhere.
[23:51:25] <Reedy>	 ask them/read their website
[23:51:31] <swappoke>	 https://www.dot5hosting.com/controlpanel/FileManager/
[23:52:12] <swappoke>	 chrome keeps shutting down on me
[23:52:46] <helderwiki>	 Hi! If I go to https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#mine there is a "Watched Changes" link. But how can I watch a change? I didn't find a link for this anywere...
[23:53:23] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) [Regression] WikiEditor can't be disabled on 1.20wmf1 / mediawiki.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35879  (10mybugs.mail)
[23:53:38] <^demon>	 helderwiki: If you go to your settings, you can watch specific projects/branches.
[23:53:45] <^demon>	 "Watched changes" shows those.
[23:53:51] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Reha Sterbin; "Clicktracking for the submit button should only fire if the button is enabled (bug 35590)" [mediawiki/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4766
[23:53:57] <helderwiki>	 Hmm... I take a look
[23:54:14] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Reha Sterbin; "Changed single submit clicktracking event to an attempt and result (bug 35590)" [mediawiki/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4767
[23:58:08] <helderwiki>	 ^demon: how do I get a list of changes in a given path?
[23:58:10] <helderwiki>	 (similar to this: https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?path=%2Ftrunk%2Fphase3%2Fresources%2F&title=Special%3ACode%2FMediaWiki
[23:59:06] <swappoke>	 i am reading php.ini and see nothing about APC
[23:59:52] <^demon>	 helderwiki: You can only do it on projects you're watching. The syntax is a bit odd <https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/Documentation/user-search.html#file>