[00:07:01] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Catrope; "Looking good, but there's a few remaining issues." [mediawiki/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5] (master); V: 0 C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5170
[00:12:06] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Reha Sterbin; "I missed a "done", but I did fix the associated issue." [mediawiki/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5170
[00:15:27] <codurr>	 03rfaulk * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/114950> 10/trunk/tools/wsor/message_templates/run_postings_and_metrics.py:
[00:15:27] <codurr>	 modified to allow optional "user", "comment", and "api_uri" args
[00:15:27] <codurr>	 added new experiment template definitions
[00:16:21] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Catrope; "Crap, my comments were on patchset 1 for some reason, not 2, that's why it didn't submit them. Submi..." [mediawiki/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5170
[00:23:22] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Bsitu; "Exception especially the ones from dieUsage() in this case leaves the custom printer behind without ..." [mediawiki/core] (master) C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3328
[00:29:24] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Catrope; "Aah, so the dieUsage() calls /are/ the problem. Yeah if you could fix the printer in another way tha..." [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3328
[00:36:51] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Reha Sterbin; "Squashed commit for 4/19 deployment" [mediawiki/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5170
[00:38:05] <codurr>	 03bsitu * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/114951> 10/trunk/extensions/PageTriage/PageTriage.hooks.php: Capture new pages created as a redirect from pageMove
[00:39:33] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Reha Sterbin; "Fixed (again); submitting for re-review." [mediawiki/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5170
[00:39:43] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Remove localized "Help" namespaces on Meta-Wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36052 normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (b)
[00:44:59] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Catrope; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5170
[00:45:02] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Catrope; [mediawiki/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5170
[00:51:24] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Add all extensions used by WMF to Jenkins - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34617  major->15enhancement (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[01:04:01] <wikibugs>	 14(INVALID) Puppet group management interface doesn't allow all characters allowed for puppet variables and classes - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36044  +comment (10Ryan Lane)
[01:06:01] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) [Regression] Log in "returnto" behavior, current (real) page title ignored - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36053 normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (krinklemail)
[01:06:05] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) [Regression] Log in "returnto" behavior, current (real) page title ignored - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36053  (10Krinkle)
[01:09:00] <Amqui>	 does anybody know where to ask for a language name to be define for a specific language code in mediawiki ?
[01:09:11] <Amqui>	 do we fill a bug on bugzilla ?
[01:09:16] <Amqui>	 for #language class
[01:09:25] <Amqui>	 I'm specifically looking at shh riht now
[01:11:32] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) {{#language:shh}} - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36054 normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (lebo.beland)
[01:54:03] <Krinkle>	 Amqui: Bugzilla is good, yes :)
[01:55:03] <Krinkle>	 Amqui: However, I don't think it's possible to add new language to {{#languages:}} directly, the support for that language will have to be centrally added to MediaWiki in general, so that the entire software can be translated into that language.
[01:55:07] <Krinkle>	 But that's a good thing :)
[01:55:13] <RoanKattouw>	 Yeah, that's right
[01:56:14] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Add support for the Shoshoni language in MediaWiki (lang=shh) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36054  normal->15enhancement;  +i18n; summary (10Krinkle)
[02:01:58] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Two fields having a common part in the name result in a breakage of the definition and the autocomplete of the form - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36016  +comment (10Yaron Koren)
[02:03:36] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) MWSuggest on german Wikisource does not work for new pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36035  +comment (10Krinkle)
[02:03:54] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) [Regression] opensearch API on de.wikisource stopped indexing new pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36035  summary (10Krinkle)
[02:04:17] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) [Regression] opensearch API on de.wikisource stopped indexing new pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36035  +comment (10Roan Kattouw)
[02:11:23] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Add support for Git in ExtensionDistributor - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35574  summary; +comment (10Krinkle)
[02:12:09] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Add support for Git in ExtensionDistributor - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35574  (10Krinkle)
[02:12:10] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Migrate subversion to git (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/22596  (10Krinkle)
[02:13:22] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Implement a way to bring GitHub pull requests on https://github.com/wikimedia/mediawiki-core into Gerrit - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35497  summary (10Krinkle)
[02:18:56] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Trouble finding commit bd7a268e4be2da23ba0b9943c3b0ba1ac88294dc in gitweb - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35461  +comment (10Krinkle)
[02:24:35] <Amqui>	 Krinkle ok
[02:24:45] <Amqui>	 thanks
[02:26:15] <Joan>	 Is there a magic word for content direction?
[02:26:22] <Joan>	 That would return rtl or ltr or something?
[02:26:38] <Joan>	 https://wikimediafoundation.org/w/index.php?diff=80296&oldid=45544 seems silly.
[02:27:31] <wikibugs>	 14(INVALID) SF Upload popup permissions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33555  +comment (10Yaron Koren)
[02:29:01] <Sieva>	 [QUESTION] Attempting to use short urls, main route is working, but skins aren't loading. I've tried all the fixes in the manual, but it's still not loading skins. Plz help!
[02:30:52] <Joan>	 I don't think "[QUESTION]" is a reasonable substitute for a question mark.
[02:31:11] <Sieva>	 [?]
[02:31:12] <Joan>	 Sieva: Do you have a link to your wiki?
[02:31:18] <Sieva>	 internal, sry.
[02:31:20] <Joan>	 The question mark goes at the end of the question.
[02:31:26] <Joan>	 Look at the page source and find the CSS URLs.
[02:31:32] <Joan>	 What happens when you navigate to one of those?
[02:31:37] <Joan>	 Is this MediaWiki 1.18?
[02:32:46] <Sieva>	 downloads a copy of the file
[02:32:49] <Sieva>	 yes
[02:32:51] <Sieva>	 18.2
[02:33:01] <Joan>	 It downloads a copy of the CSS page?
[02:34:00] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Application won't compile without commenting out 2 overrides - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/32009  +comment (10Jon Davis)
[02:35:02] <Sieva>	 ah, nm. load.php not found. 
[02:36:16] <Joan>	 Sieva: What rewrite rules did you use?
[02:36:23] <Joan>	 And did they account for load.php?
[02:38:22] <Sieva>	 directed to my $wgScriptPath/load.php as noted in the localsettings, points to the proper directory name relative to webroot
[02:45:10] <Joan>	 Sieva: You went from what URL syntax to what URL syntax? Using what rewrite rules?
[02:46:52] <Sieva>	 Joan: /index.php/ to /wiki/$1 using httpd.conf alias /wiki /var/www/mywikifolder/index.php
[02:48:28] <Joan>	 Sieva: > Note: The install path must not be same as virtual directory and must not be the web root directory itself, the first point is important, do not try to ignore it to get prettier URLs, or else this method will not work.
[02:48:32] <Joan>	 Did you follow that note?
[02:48:39] <Joan>	 Heed, rather.
[02:48:45] <Sieva>	 yes. different script path and article path
[02:48:50] <Joan>	 What's the script path?
[02:49:18] <Sieva>	 script path /awiki   .... article path /wiki/$1
[02:49:32] <Joan>	 So is the load.php URL /awiki/load.php, then?
[02:49:35] <Sieva>	 yes
[02:49:37] <Joan>	 And it's saying not found?
[02:49:43] <Sieva>	 yes :/
[02:49:46] <Joan>	 Hm.
[02:50:22] <Joan>	 What about other URLs?
[02:50:25] <Joan>	 Like /awiki/CREDITS
[02:50:33] <Joan>	 Or /awiki/HISTORY
[02:50:45] <Joan>	 Do those load?
[02:50:47] <Sieva>	 i reloaded the webserver, database server, http cache server, memcached, etc after every change to be sure it wasn't a conf load issue.  too
[02:50:50] <Sieva>	 lemme check.
[02:51:06] <Joan>	 That is, there are files next to load.php. Maybe it's a PHP issue. Maybe it's a Web server issue.
[02:51:12] <Joan>	 Got start narrowing down.
[02:51:14] <Joan>	 Gotta
[02:52:02] <Sieva>	 CREDITS shows the file in browser just fine
[02:52:09] <Joan>	 Okay.
[02:52:17] <Joan>	 Does load.php have content in it?
[02:52:22] <Joan>	 It's not corrupt or missing or anything?
[02:52:30] <Joan>	 I mean the file itself.
[02:53:15] <Sieva>	 fresh install, was just working perfectly before i went screwing with the rewrites
[02:53:51] <Sieva>	 load.php looks normal, it being a file i've never looked at before but syntax looks correct 
[02:54:05] <Joan>	 What did you set $wgScriptPath to ?
[02:54:18] <Joan>	 '/awiki'; right?
[02:54:36] <Joan>	 And $wgArticlePath you set to '/wiki/$1'; ?
[02:54:37] <Sieva>	 i should probably note this is a concurrent wiki install with two others, all 3 have different rewrite article paths than the others
[02:55:33] <Sieva>	 $wgScriptPath = '/awiki';  .... $wgArticlePath = '/wiki/$1';
[02:55:45] <Joan>	 Curious.
[02:56:08] <Joan>	 But /awiki/load.php returns a 404?
[02:56:18] <Joan>	 Odd.
[02:56:26] <Joan>	 Have you tried a different browser?
[02:56:50] <Sieva>	 using chrome to test, i'll try FF
[02:57:07] <Sieva>	 and, same issue. 
[02:57:21] <Joan>	 http://pruebita.com/p/load.php
[02:57:25] <Joan>	 You should be getting something like that.
[02:58:10] <Joan>	 If you disable the Alias and graceful Apache, does /awiki/load.php work again?
[02:59:39] <Sieva>	 $articlepath/load.php shows an unwritten wiki page,  $scriptpath/load.php not found... when disabling, the wiki shows just fine
[03:00:07] <Joan>	 So the Alias is breaking load.php ?
[03:01:51] <Sieva>	 actually, just disabling the UsePathInfo results in  the same brokenness. I have to return the scriptpath back to ''; (blank) as it was set from the web installation to get it all back. 
[03:02:55] <Joan>	 !g UsePathInfo
[03:02:55] <mw-bot>	 https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#q,UsePathInfo,n,z
[03:02:58] <Joan>	 !wg UsePathInfo
[03:02:59] <mw-bot>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgUsePathInfo
[03:03:38] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) "Login required" page has bad "Retrieved from" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36055 normal; MediaWiki: Special pages; (liangent)
[03:03:39] <Joan>	 >  Warning:	The default $wgArticlePath will be set based on this value at runtime, but if you have customized it, having this incorrectly set to true can cause redirect loops when "pretty URLs" are used.
[03:03:43] <Joan>	 Hmm.
[03:05:51] <codurr>	 03tstarling * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/114952> 10/trunk/php/luasandbox/library.c: Allow unrestricted setfenv() and getfenv(). Module isolation is more easily handled in Lua code.
[03:06:19] <Sieva>	 using the blank scriptpath with the pathInfo turned on made it work... I was confused by the manual, as it said "Note that $wgScriptPath should already be set to /w. If it is not (for example, if you're moving from a different URL scheme), make sure to set it to that."
[03:07:10] <Sieva>	 i think i tried that schema before, but must have messed with something else at the time. Thank you for your time Joan. 
[03:11:26] <yaboo>	 how does one enable image uploads in mediawiki please
[03:12:15] <Joan>	 !uploads | yaboo 
[03:12:17] <mw-bot>	 yaboo: File uploads are disabled by default, set $wgEnableUploads=true; to enable it. See <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Configuring_file_uploads> for configuration details, <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Managing_files> and <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Images> for using uploaded images and other files.
[03:12:48] <Joan>	 Sieva: No problem. Glad it got resolved.
[03:18:54] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Aaron Schulz; "Doing some more work on this atm." [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4725
[03:20:31] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Aaron Schulz; "Maybe a wikitech-l thread can be started on the description & use case for the feature." [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: -2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3367
[03:23:40] <Dantman>	 Oh come on... why can't django be consistent
[03:24:13] <Dantman>	 redirect('viewname', key=value) vs. reverse('viewname', { 'key': value })
[03:24:58] <Dantman>	 And reverse uses kwargs=None, instead of the standard **kwargs
[03:29:56] <Amgine>	 hobgoblins, Dantman?
[03:33:18] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) provide a way to specify what text/statement is supported by a <ref> block. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/18231  (10Rob Lanphier)
[03:51:21] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Tim Starling; "Added more Lua environment features" [mediawiki/extensions/Scribunto] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5218
[04:01:22] <Aaron|home>	 TimStarling: are you going to self merge? :p
[04:07:25] <Krinkle>	 !g If5d0cd73d9be288e4475a95c58fa747ab3eb37fb
[04:07:26] <mw-bot>	 https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#q,If5d0cd73d9be288e4475a95c58fa747ab3eb37fb,n,z
[04:21:13] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) SMW query printer ignores $egMapsGoogleMapsZoom - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36056 normal; MediaWiki extensions: SemanticMaps; (ikehecht)
[04:23:32] <Aaron|home>	 TimStarling: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?=PHPE9568F34-D428-11d2-A769-00AA001ACF42
[04:24:16] * Aaron|home  reads http://me.veekun.com/blog/2012/04/09/php-a-fractal-of-bad-design/

[04:39:06] <TimStarling>	 I don't have a problem with that feature, if you want to have a logo on phpinfo() you need some way of outputting it
[04:39:24] <TimStarling>	 we ship the MediaWiki logo with MediaWiki, nobody complains about that being "bloat"
[04:40:30] <TimStarling>	 I found out about that logo feature because I saw the logo on phpinfo() and thought "I wonder how that is implemented"
[04:40:49] <TimStarling>	 and then I checked it out and thought it was a reasonable solution
[04:41:28] <Aaron|home>	 that link is mostly funny more than anything else
[04:41:49] <Aaron|home>	 it's not hurting anything of course
[04:42:12] <TimStarling>	 their easter egg feature is a lot less elaborate than the one I added to MediaWiki :)
[04:42:13] <Aaron|home>	 (the enwp link)
[04:42:19] <TimStarling>	 	if (ta && (ta->tm_mon==3) && (ta->tm_mday==1)) {
[04:42:19] <TimStarling>	 		logo_guid = PHP_EGG_LOGO_GUID;
[04:42:19] <TimStarling>	 	} else {
[04:42:19] <TimStarling>	 		logo_guid = PHP_LOGO_GUID;
[04:42:19] <TimStarling>	 	}
[04:42:53] <TimStarling>	 that's april 1
[04:43:12] * Aaron|home  wonders when a "similar but better than PHP" language will emerge

[04:55:45] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: devunt; "=First character to uppercase" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5219
[04:57:04] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: jenkins-bot; "Build Successful " [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 1 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5219
[05:04:28] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Liangent; "I started a thread but there's no discussion." [mediawiki/core] (master) C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3367
[05:12:21] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Tim Starling; "I discussed it with Liangent privately. Liangent explained the applications of this feature for the ..." [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3367
[05:38:46] <Amgine>	 Is there a gadget or tool to patrol all edits by a specific user?
[05:39:14] <Amgine>	 (before they were added to autopatrolled)
[05:48:45] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) "PHP Notice: Undefined index: host" in PHP www-error.log using MobileFrontend - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36057 normal; Wikimedia Mobile: Generic; (quim.gil)
[05:50:17] <aharoni>	 hallo. i ran `php phpunit.php' and after 94% got this: "PHP Fatal error:  Call to undefined method DeviceDetection::formatName() in /var/www/ahawiki/extensions/MobileFrontend/tests/DeviceDetectionTest.php on line 13".
[06:04:50] <aharoni>	 Grumble-grumble-grumble. `git review' wants to submit a hundred unrelated commits again, even though i added defaultremote=origin to .gitreview according to hashar's suggestion.
[06:15:38] <uwjesd>	 How to prevent users from creating user pages?
[06:27:59] <uwjesd>	 Wake up ladies. There has to be a way to do this. Or at least point me to a wiki-software that sucks less then mediawiki, which should not be too hard.
[06:37:13] <uwjesd>	 Q: What's the difference between mediawiki and a spam retailer. A: The retailer is getting less spam.
[06:40:35] <Nikerabbit>	 he left, good
[06:40:47] <aharoni>	 :)
[06:44:11] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Nikerabbit; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5022
[06:44:14] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Nikerabbit; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5022
[07:50:48] <codurr>	 New code comment: Shizhao; plese update!; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/114743#c32688>
[07:54:22] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Nikerabbit; "Too long summary line ;)" [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5169
[07:56:47] <codurr>	 New code comment: Liangent; Planet configurations has already been migrated to Git.; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/114743#c32689>
[08:00:03] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Make planet configuration files read-only - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36058 normal; Wikimedia: Subversion; (liangent)
[08:05:02] <codurr>	 New code comment: Liangent; Bug 36058; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/114743#c32690>
[08:15:53] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Nikerabbit; "Please include short one line summary in your commit message." [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5204
[08:23:06] <exbe>	 !b 24320
[08:23:07] <mw-bot>	 https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=24320
[08:24:41] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Nikerabbit; "Remove = from the commit summary. -m is bad :)" [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5219
[08:29:42] <exbe>	 hmm, is there an article for newcomers? I'm ready to push 24320
[08:31:02] <exbe>	 yeah, founded
[08:33:39] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) HTML tags shouldn't be escaped before passing to MathJax - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36059 normal; MediaWiki extensions: Math (texvc); (liangent)
[08:36:56] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) HTML tags shouldn't be escaped before passing to MathJax - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36059  +comment (10Liangent)
[08:37:55] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) MathJax doesn't work in preview - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36060 normal; MediaWiki extensions: Math (texvc); (liangent)
[08:47:28] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) "PHP Notice: Undefined index: host" in PHP www-error.log using MobileFrontend - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36057  +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[08:50:02] <codurr>	 New code comment: Reedy; Since when? Where?; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/114743#c32691>
[08:50:24] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Make planet configuration files read-only - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36058  +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[08:51:07] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Make planet configuration files in SVN read-only - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36058  summary (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[08:56:16] <codurr>	 New code comment: Liangent; https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Git/Conversion#Affected_development_projects . Search for "Planet" in; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/114743#c32692>
[08:57:46] <codurr>	 New code comment: Reedy; Oh, I didn't even think it might've gone into the Operations repo....; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/114743#c32693>
[08:57:52] <liangent>	 Reedy: someone forged that page?
[08:57:56] <kFj>	 hi. i have a mediawiki 1.16.2 on php 5.3.6 with sqlite 3.7.7 running on a ubuntu server. some time ago, the LOGO stopped showing. the main logo is defined in localsettings.php and is located in the mediawiki folder. but its not showing. the logos for the different namespaces is located on an offsite server but still not showing.. could you guys help me troubleshoot this and maybe help me 
[08:57:56] <kFj>	 upgrade the installation? iv had this thing handed to me and have no experience with wikis in general.. 
[08:57:59] <Reedy>	 Hm?
[08:58:32] <MaxSem>	 kFj, define disappeared - is it a 404?
[08:58:59] <kFj>	 well.. where you would usually se a logo now is just grey background - not 404 no.. 
[08:59:25] <MaxSem>	 is _the logo_ image a 404?
[09:00:03] <MaxSem>	 get yourself Firebug and see network requests
[09:00:05] <kFj>	 ehmm no. the file is where it should be..its just not showing up in the topleft corner where it usually is.
[09:00:16] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Reedy; "We need to define some relativity of commit summary lines to lines of code changed..." [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5169
[09:01:31] <kFj>	 MaxSem ok.ill try that:) 
[09:04:06] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Reedy; "(bug 35685) Add section with entry point URLs to Special:Version" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4797
[09:05:25] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: jenkins-bot; "Build Successful " [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 1 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4797
[09:09:07] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Santhosh; "Correct the filtering of the notifications and avoid duplicates per page." [mediawiki/extensions/TranslationNotifications] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5155
[09:11:03] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Lupo; "Re Krinkle:" [mediawiki/core] (master) C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4326
[09:22:46] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Add support for the Shoshoni language in MediaWiki (lang=shh) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36054  +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[09:27:03] <kFj>	 MaxSem iv installedfirefox and firebug, but pretty new to all this.exactly what am i looking for here? 
[09:27:18] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Make MathJax menus translatable [upstream] - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35038  normal->major; +comment (10Siebrand)
[09:27:56] <MaxSem>	 open your wiki in ff, click on bug icon, open network tab, refresh the wiki
[09:28:44] <kFj>	 yeah,it gives 404 not found...
[09:28:52] <kFj>	 but the file is where it should be :/ 
[09:30:54] <Reedy>	 so the relative path isn't what you think it is then
[09:31:09] <kFj>	 Location	http://vik-wiki/mediawiki/index.php/Var/www/mediawiki/wikilogo3.png and in localsettings.php its definded like ="var/www/mediawiki/wikilogo3.png";
[09:31:19] <Reedy>	 Exactly
[09:31:31] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) MathJax supports CJK directly while Texvc doesn't - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36061 normal; MediaWiki extensions: Math (texvc); (liangent)
[09:31:53] <kFj>	 sorry for beeing dumb, but how should it be, i didnt set this up. just got it handed over.
[09:31:55] <Reedy>	 You have a /var/www folder in your mediawiki folder?
[09:32:01] <kFj>	 nope.. 
[09:32:03] <kFj>	 ok 
[09:32:07] <kFj>	 got you
[09:33:37] <kFj>	 fixed:) awesome!
[09:33:59] <Reedy>	 cool
[09:34:16] <kFj>	 now i just have to fix the namespace logos.. firebug just gives aborted unable to open location,. so looking in to that now:)
[09:35:45] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Strip "\displaystyle" from TeX code shown by MathJax - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36062 normal; MediaWiki extensions: Math (texvc); (liangent)
[09:36:45] <kFj>	 where are the namespaces logos diffined? 
[09:36:58] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Math settings provided by MathJax should be a part of user preferences. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36063 normal; MediaWiki extensions: Math (texvc); (liangent)
[09:37:00] <Reedy>	 No idea
[09:37:03] <Reedy>	 That's not a core feature..
[09:37:27] <kFj>	 cause the issue seems to be that wiki is looking for www.domain.com/files.png but the files are only accesseble from http://domain.com/files.png 
[09:38:06] <Reedy>	 mmmmm. hardcoding
[09:38:10] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Make MathJax menus translatable [upstream] - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35038  +comment (10Liangent)
[09:38:34] <kFj>	 hmmm ifi only knew where that hardcoding is done:/ ?!?!?
[09:39:33] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) SMW query printer ignores $egMapsGoogleMapsZoom - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36056  +comment (10Jeroen De Dauw)
[09:40:53] <kFj>	 ahh wasset in common.css :) awesome! 
[09:42:05] <kFj>	 do i have to restart apache for the changes in common.css to be valid? 
[09:44:20] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Reedy; "Bug 36034 - OpenStackManager has duplicate message keys for en" [mediawiki/extensions/OpenStackManager] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5220
[09:45:21] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) OpenStackManager has duplicate message keys for en - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36034  +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[09:46:16] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) HTML tags shouldn't be escaped before passing to MathJax - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36059  +comment (10Michael M.)
[09:46:53] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Santhosh; "Add messages removed in 5089 accidently by localization update." [mediawiki/extensions/TranslationNotifications] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5221
[09:47:08] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Make planet configuration files in SVN read-only - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36058  +comment (10shi zhao)
[09:47:20] <chughakshay16>	 kfj : no u dont need to restart ur apache for these changes to take place
[09:47:30] <chughakshay16>	 *effect
[09:48:49] <kFj>	 hmms.i changed the common.css file with new hardcoded links, but namespace logos still dont show up :/
[09:49:05] <kFj>	 in firebug its still looking for the old hardcoded link
[09:49:30] <tale>	 kFj: Cache problem?
[09:50:32] <kFj>	 might be. as i said before. got this handed to me. so no idea how this is setup really :/ 
[09:51:38] <aharoni>	 Hallo, hashar. Is there any decision about the recently discussed problem with `git review' trying to push lots of changes?
[09:51:53] <kFj>	 tale yes, emptyed the cache in chrome and now it shows up 
[09:51:54] <hashar>	 aharoni: hi :-
[09:52:03] <hashar>	 aharoni: I have posted a long message about that on wikitech-l
[09:52:31] <aharoni>	 hashar: I tried your trick with modifiying .gitreview - it worked once, but when i tried to use it again in a different branch, it asked the same thing again.
[09:52:32] <Reedy>	 hashar: Tests: 3432, Assertions: 30076, Errors: 47, Incomplete: 2, Skipped: 14.
[09:52:33] <Reedy>	 lol.
[09:52:37] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) MathJax doesn't work in preview - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36060  +comment (10Michael M.)
[09:52:46] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) HTML tags shouldn't be escaped before passing to MathJax - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36059  +comment (10Liangent)
[09:53:09] <kFj>	 but sometimes im having issues with loadingtimes on the wiki.. its running on an old HP proliant server running ubuntu. and its the only thing running on that server. sodont think its the server. but maybe the setup... what could/should i check/change to improve this? 
[09:53:59] <hashar>	 Reedy: 1.20wmf1 ? :-(
[09:54:04] <Reedy>	 git head
[09:54:18] <hashar>	 :-//
[09:54:22] <Reedy>	 just working out how I can get screen to let me copy it all out in one go
[09:54:36] <hashar>	 aharoni: it must be because git-review think that your branch is not in gerrit/master
[09:54:47] <wikibugs>	 14(DUP) Strip "\displaystyle" from TeX code shown by MathJax - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36062  +comment (10Michael M.)
[09:54:49] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Determine block mode vs. inline mode properly for MathJax - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35188  +comment (10Michael M.)
[09:55:01] <hashar>	 aharoni: you can tell the diffs with something like:   git --log --graph --decorate gerrit/master..yourbranch
[09:56:03] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) HTML tags shouldn't be escaped before passing to MathJax - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36059  +comment (10Liangent)
[09:56:56] <aharoni>	 hashar, what am i supposed to see there? (and i suppose that it's `git log')
[09:57:55] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Determine block mode vs. inline mode properly for MathJax - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35188  +comment (10Michael M.)
[09:58:52] <Reedy>	 hashar: http://p.defau.lt/?hFxoOMh3IdKM18O13A_zCQ
[09:58:55] <hashar>	 git-review show you that warning message because your branch contains commit which are not known by gerrit
[09:59:02] <hashar>	 aka gerrit/master branch
[09:59:43] <hashar>	 Reedy: 26 minutes?  doh
[10:00:00] <Reedy>	 Yeah
[10:00:03] <Reedy>	 REALLY fast
[10:00:39] <hashar>	 Reedy: file_put_contents(/var/www/wiki/w/tests/phpunit/includes/upload/bug29408): faile
[10:00:40] <hashar>	 d to open stream: Permission denied
[10:00:48] <Reedy>	 Indeed
[10:00:50] <hashar>	 that one should be easy to fix, must be a permission issue on your side
[10:00:53] <aharoni>	 hashar: and how do fix it? how do i make them sync? (or whatever that is called.)
[10:01:03] <Reedy>	 yeah, I ran it as www-data due to upload permissions
[10:01:12] <hashar>	 Reedy: Undefined index: emailaddress  <-- I have no idea. Must be really trivial
[10:01:25] <hashar>	 the rest seems to be failure in the various extensions test suite
[10:01:47] <hashar>	 aharoni: first check out you actually have differences
[10:02:02] <aharoni>	 i probably do.
[10:02:04] <hashar>	 git-review -verbose can help too since it show the git command used to determinate which commits will be sent
[10:02:48] <hashar>	 The gerrit/master..YourBranch  is used to find out what is different between gerrit and yourbranch
[10:03:07] <hashar>	 that might just be because you did not update the gerrit repo with 'git remote update' or 'git fetch gerrit'
[10:03:23] <hashar>	 or your branch actually contains several commits you made
[10:03:57] <hashar>	 if so you can either submit all the commits, that will create a new change for each commit
[10:04:08] <hashar>	 or merge the commit locally in a single commit
[10:04:08] <aharoni>	 i submit one commit.
[10:04:25] <aharoni>	 and i created this branch after doing `git pull gerrit master'
[10:04:35] <aharoni>	 i didn't do `git remote update', though.
[10:04:43] <hashar>	 that would be the issue
[10:04:53] <hashar>	 your local   remotes/gerrit/master  might not be up to date
[10:05:20] <hashar>	 IIRC, git-review explicitly check against the remote repository
[10:06:12] <Jarry1250>	 aharoni: Apologies for pinging you whilst you were asleeep before :P Just checking you got my GSoC reply.
[10:06:51] <aharoni>	 Jarry1250: There's nothing to apologize about. Thank you for your comment.
[10:07:46] <aharoni>	 hashar: does it matter on which branch i am when i do `git remote update'?
[10:09:27] <hashar>	 aharoni: hop does not matter
[10:09:48] <hashar>	 that just fetch any required objects and updates the remotes pointers
[10:10:49] <Jarry1250>	 aharoni: Great :) I hope it clarified at least a little, the last few days have been hectic so I haven't been able to actually study Translate's backend yet - thus my own misconceptions could still have permeated my response.
[10:12:15] <Reedy>	 hashar: that's 13 fixed
[10:13:59] <Reedy>	 Want to approve 5222?
[10:14:26] <hashar>	 \o/
[10:14:31] <hashar>	 Reedy: can't today sorry :-/
[10:14:40] <hashar>	 Reedy: I am doing 6 months of accounting
[10:15:11] <hashar>	 then have to clean up the 7 vim sessions I have opened and my 207 Gerrit emails :-D
[10:15:49] * Reedy  extends the commit summaru

[10:15:58] <Reedy>	 41 failing tests
[10:17:32] <hashar>	 !g 5222
[10:17:32] <mw-bot>	 https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#q,5222,n,z
[10:17:36] <hashar>	 !g
[10:17:36] <mw-bot>	 https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#q,`e1,n,z
[10:17:47] <hashar>	 !del g
[10:17:48] <mw-bot>	 I don't know anything about "del". You might try: !deleteuser !extensiondistributor !oversight !protect !resourceloader !revdelete !security !uploadbyurl !worstcase 
[10:17:52] <Reedy>	 !g del
[10:17:55] <mw-bot>	 Successfully removed keyword: g
[10:18:00] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Kai Nissen; "(34753) Added label for captcha field shown in forms" [mediawiki/extensions/ConfirmEdit] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5223
[10:18:03] <hashar>	 !g is https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/`e1
[10:18:04] <mw-bot>	 Successfully added keyword: g
[10:18:06] <hashar>	 !g 5222
[10:18:07] <mw-bot>	 https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5222
[10:18:18] <hashar>	 mw-bot: profit!
[10:18:41] <Reedy>	 !profit
[10:18:43] <mw-bot>	 I don't know anything about "profit". You might try: !mediawiki 
[10:18:59] <hashar>	 Reedy: 5222 should use a better introduction message :D
[10:19:27] * Reedy  runs some more tests

[10:19:36] <hashar>	 Reedy: something like:   "Pass a requestContext to test environment"
[10:19:58] <hashar>	 then just say it fixes a tonnn of tests :D  not sure there is any point in listing all the failing one
[10:20:55] <aharoni>	 hashar: it doesn't seem to help.
[10:21:11] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Add label to CAPTCHA input field - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34753  +comment (10Kai Nissen)
[10:21:20] <aharoni>	 i did `git remote update' and `git review' still complains about multiple commits.
[10:21:53] <hashar>	 Reedy: I did comment https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#patch,unified,5222,2,tests/MobileFrontendTest.php
[10:22:29] <hashar>	 Reedy: ExtMobileFrontend should really take care of setting a default context or should throw a nice exception :D
[10:22:41] <Reedy>	 Mebbe
[10:22:56] <hashar>	 aharoni: do you want to debug it using Google plus hangout and screen sharing ? :D
[10:23:21] <hashar>	 also your tests should not take that long
[10:23:40] <hashar>	 you must have some cache using a disk based backend (ala CDB / sqlite )
[10:23:58] * MaxSem  starts a bikeshed was with hashar

[10:24:24] <hashar>	 MaxSem: post lunch please :-D
[10:24:32] <Reedy>	 $wgMainCacheType = CACHE_MEMCACHED;
[10:24:32] <Reedy>	 $wgParserCacheType = CACHE_MEMCACHED; # optional
[10:24:32] <Reedy>	 $wgMessageCacheType = CACHE_MEMCACHED; # optional
[10:24:40] <hashar>	 l10ncache ?
[10:24:44] <hashar>	 genderCache ? :-D
[10:24:50] <Reedy>	 nopes
[10:24:51] <Reedy>	 nopes
[10:24:53] <hashar>	 do you have APC ?
[10:24:55] <MaxSem>	 nopes
[10:24:55] <Reedy>	 yes
[10:25:07] <hashar>	 ok get a better computer so :-]]]]]]]]]
[10:25:19] <Reedy>	 It's on my vmhost
[10:25:28] <Reedy>	 My hex core desktop with 24GB of ram wouldn't have so many issues ;)
[10:25:31] <Reedy>	 !cache
[10:25:31] <mw-bot>	 General information about caches can be seen at <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Cache>, for configuration settings see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Configuration_settings#Cache>
[10:25:35] <Reedy>	 !l10ncache
[10:25:37] <mw-bot>	 I don't know anything about "l10ncache".
[10:25:40] * Reedy  kicks mw-bot

[10:25:49] <hashar>	 24GB RAM ???
[10:25:53] <Reedy>	 Yeah
[10:26:00] * hashar  feels old

[10:26:10] <Reedy>	 I build a machine not so long ago using 32GB
[10:26:14] <hashar>	 aharoni: try to find out what the commits are 
[10:26:19] <Reedy>	 Hell, look at the spec of some of the labs machines :p
[10:26:51] <hashar>	 aharoni: it might some commits from master which have been merged on top of one of your commit
[10:26:56] <hashar>	 aharoni: hence they will have a new sha1
[10:27:15] <hashar>	 aharoni: it is hard to tell without having some traces :-/   git log --all --decorate --oneline --graph    would help
[10:27:48] <hashar>	 Reedy: I mean 24GB sounds a lot for a desktop system.  hex core too but I guess most games uses all core nowadays
[10:27:59] <Reedy>	 I think fairly few actually do
[10:28:09] <hashar>	 my desktop is some Athlon 3200 (mono core) with maybe 2 or 4G of RAM
[10:28:35] <MaxSem>	 Reedy, Phenom?
[10:28:40] <Reedy>	 i7
[10:29:05] <MaxSem>	 I thought i7 is 4 cores + HT
[10:29:38] <Reedy>	 No, I get 6 + HT
[10:29:40] <Reedy>	 it's amusing
[10:29:40] * MaxSem  is outadted, too

[10:30:53] <hashar>	 I don't even know what i7 or HT means! :-(
[10:31:06] <Reedy>	 i7 is just a cpu model
[10:31:07] * hashar  feels exactly just like being an old dad

[10:31:10] <Vito_away>	 i7 means "evilness"
[10:31:15] <Reedy>	 ht is hyper threading
[10:31:25] <Reedy>	 My PC is out of date already
[10:31:26] <Reedy>	 oh well
[10:31:57] <hashar>	 you know, I don't even know when to remove an USB stick :D
[10:32:16] <Reedy>	 Just pull it out
[10:32:22] <hashar>	 probably when it stopped blinking :D
[10:32:24] * Vito_away  is proudly quoting from /proc/cpuinfo 'Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU     P8400  @ 2.26GHz'

[10:32:26] <MaxSem>	 chop it off
[10:32:29] <hashar>	 but then if I wait a bit more it blinks again
[10:33:00] <MaxSem>	 it's smouldering fire, extinguish with water
[10:33:30] <hashar>	 anyway, I stopped keeping track of computers a long time
[10:33:45] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: IAlex; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/core] (master) C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4550
[10:34:02] <hashar>	 and haven't used my desktop one for gaming since I found that Call of Duty 5  (which I bought) could not run on my comp :D
[10:34:07] <Reedy>	 hashar: so in mac world, if it's newer, it's probably better?
[10:34:09] <hashar>	 I don't even know if windows still boot
[10:34:26] <MaxSem>	 hashar, right! time to end your technofetishism and cease using macs
[10:34:33] <hashar>	 Reedy: in mac world you choose the size of your display and the weight of the computer
[10:34:41] <Vito_away>	 PCs are not made for gaming
[10:34:45] <Reedy>	 Slow.........Fast
[10:34:50] <Reedy>	 -------^
[10:34:58] <hashar>	 Reedy: then you optionally enjoy spending ton of cash on useless options
[10:35:38] <hashar>	 Reedy: so the choice is roughly:   11', 13', 15', 17' ,   light (not 15'/17') or heavy (not 11')
[10:35:41] <MaxSem>	 I have assembled my PC myself, it was lots of fun 
[10:35:46] <MaxSem>	 ....
[10:35:50] <MaxSem>	 and "fun"
[10:36:11] <Reedy>	 ..............................................EEE............  976 / 3535 ( 27%)
[10:36:15] <hashar>	 Reedy: then you want to avoid buying a Mac just before a new model is out :-D
[10:36:21] <Reedy>	 indeed
[10:36:29] <hashar>	 MaxSem: I did assemble a lot of computers.  Eventually lost the fun with it
[10:36:45] <hashar>	 nowadays I find it is cheaper and easier to just buy one
[10:36:48] <Reedy>	 schnell! schnell!
[10:37:06] <hashar>	 Reedy: maybe you should enable debug and look at the debug.log
[10:37:16] <Reedy>	 of phpunit?
[10:37:26] <hashar>	 Reedy: that might give you a hint about where MediaWiki is spending its time
[10:37:33] <Reedy>	 in the code
[10:37:42] <Reedy>	 we'll see how long this run takes, with file permissions fixed, cache dir set and MF fixed
[10:37:46] <hashar>	 I had a funny issue when on each test I had a message saying:  "rebuilding localization cache [….]"
[10:37:57] <Vito>	 I made some money assembling PCs, now I'm focusing on small, cheap and low-power consuming ones
[10:38:22] <Vito>	 the era of 3.6ghz pentiums has ended
[10:38:36] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Enable Special:Import for administrator in Bengali Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34791  +comment (10Jayanta Nath)
[10:38:58] <MaxSem>	 Vito, now it's era of 3.5 GHz Cores
[10:39:12] <MaxSem>	 no less hot
[10:39:24] <Reedy>	 You can buy quad core 3.6GHz
[10:40:00] <MaxSem>	 ...and need no iron
[10:40:01] <Vito>	 I hate them brrrrr
[10:40:08] * hashar  had a 386sx16

[10:40:20] <hashar>	 8MHz with a turbo button up to 16MHz :-D
[10:40:22] <Vito>	 the bouncer I use for the irc runs at 216mhz :D
[10:40:34] * MaxSem  had a Cyrix 486DLC

[10:40:55] <Reedy>	 We should use an iphone to send stuff into space
[10:41:19] * hashar  lunch

[10:41:35] <Vito>	 when I set up my bouncer
[10:41:43] <Vito>	 I had two stuffs to choose
[10:41:50] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) MathJax doesn't show double lines in tables - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35190  (10Richard Morris)
[10:41:52] <Vito>	 1) a 3.4ghz single core pentium
[10:41:52] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Set $wgUseMathJax = true on Wikimedia wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31406  (10Richard Morris)
[10:42:02] <Vito>	 2) an old 1.7 ghz centrino notebook
[10:42:25] <Vito>	 it is currently consuming less than 15W...
[10:42:38] <Vito>	 so you may guess my choose
[10:42:53] <hashar>	 undervolted ? :D
[10:42:56] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) MathJax treats double \underline differently as texvc - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35189  (10Richard Morris)
[10:42:56] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) MathJax: Several commands that work in texvc are not recognized - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35186  (10Richard Morris)
[10:43:40] <Vito>	 hashar: under(cloacked|volted) :D
[10:44:00] <Vito>	 I had a notebook with a broken screen
[10:45:13] <Vito>	 it has been up since late 2011 ^^
[10:45:52] <hashar>	 I once restarted a Window NT box with like 4 years of uptime :D
[10:46:05] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) HTML tags shouldn't be escaped before passing to MathJax - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36059  +comment (10nageh)
[10:47:18] <Vito>	 hashar: didn't you feel sad? :D
[10:47:40] <hashar>	 a lot
[10:47:51] <hashar>	 I actually asked the customer if he really wanted to restart it
[10:48:05] <Reedy>	 mmmm, security holes
[10:48:17] <hashar>	 but we it was required to apply the service patch that fixed an issue with a worm
[10:48:26] <hashar>	 can't remember the worm name but it made the news 
[10:48:36] <MaxSem>	 msblast?
[10:48:54] <hashar>	 earlier I think
[10:49:06] <Reedy>	 2257 / 3535 ( 63%)
[10:49:09] <Vito>	 didn't you take a screenshot of the uptime? :D
[10:50:00] <hashar>	 on a customer computer?  Noway :-D
[10:50:12] <hashar>	 anyway it is not rare to have multiple years uptime computer
[10:50:56] <Vito>	 I was told of an IBM mainframe...cannot remember which model with 15 years of uptime
[10:51:13] <hashar>	 I heard similar stories at my previous work
[10:51:17] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) new telugu web font for telugu wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35782  normal->15enhancement;  +i18n; +comment (10Santhosh Thottingal)
[10:52:38] <Reedy>	 2379 / 3535 ( 67%)
[10:52:41] <Reedy>	 This is fun
[10:52:59] <Vito>	 hashar: most of are legends such as the light bulb on for 70 years
[10:53:26] <hashar>	 you could get a light bulb to light almost as much as you want
[10:53:46] <hashar>	 the reason our light bulbs had short life was to help the bulbs industry
[10:53:48] <MaxSem>	 heh. I've once seen a box that was plugged into 380V outlet. it smelled with hellfire and all capacitors in the power unit were pregnant, but it worked for several days after that (on 220V, of course) before it was replaced
[10:54:02] <hashar>	 just like our car nowadays are replaced after 5 or 7 years
[10:54:14] <Vito>	 I have (also) a car from 1970
[10:54:49] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Enable flags for needinfo - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36064 normal; Wikimedia: Bugzilla; (tim)
[10:54:51] <Vito>	 http://www.clubnapolinord.it/public/fiat500.jpg <-- almost this one
[10:57:29] <hashar>	 today I would buy an Aston Martin
[10:57:32] <hashar>	 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aston_Martin_Cygnet#Aston_Martin_Cygnet  <-- :-D
[10:58:00] <hashar>	 actually I would get a Toyota IQ, but Aston Martin sounds better :-]
[10:58:45] <Vito>	 MaxSem: I saw a PSU which sending 19V on the 12V, the PC still started "smoking" but it still works (obviously with a new power supply)
[10:58:52] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Enable flags for needinfo - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36064  +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[10:58:55] <Vito>	 hashar: Aston Martin is a serious car
[10:58:59] <hashar>	 Reedy: are tests still running ?
[10:59:18] <hashar>	 Vito: a friend of mine has a DB9 
[10:59:21] <Reedy>	 Time: 26:40, Memory: 392.25Mb
[10:59:49] <Vito>	 hashar: dealing with contemporary cars I'd buy Audi or Mercede
[10:59:50] <Vito>	 *s
[11:00:01] <hashar>	 Reedy: maybe you could just setup a WMF Labs machine to run your tests
[11:00:05] <Vito>	 I have a toyota, the above fiat 500 and a mercedes
[11:00:17] <Vito>	 the mercedes did tons of Kms
[11:00:21] <hashar>	 Vito: Mercedes eats too much oil
[11:00:31] <Vito>	 that's true
[11:00:52] <Vito>	 but their engines are almost undestructible
[11:02:17] <Reedy>	 QO6KfahHFflGE9n0OVVxYg
[11:02:23] <Reedy>	 http://p.defau.lt/?QO6KfahHFflGE9n0OVVxYg
[11:02:28] <Vito>	 and gasoline in Italy has risen to almost 2€/lt .___.
[11:02:46] <hashar>	 if I was rich I would go for an Audi A7  break, and a BMW 6xx
[11:02:49] <YuviPanda>	 oh, that was *not* Reedy smashing at the keyboard in frustration
[11:02:49] <YuviPanda>	 o
[11:02:50] <YuviPanda>	 k
[11:03:27] <Vito>	 rotfl
[11:03:37] <Reedy>	 That paste is still a mess
[11:03:38] <hashar>	 Reedy: you could also use --filter to limit the tests
[11:03:39] <Vito>	 I can see some angry ^C
[11:04:03] <hashar>	 Reedy: /var/www/wiki/w/images/lockdir/  denied!! :D
[11:04:19] <Reedy>	 Think that was before i fixed it
[11:04:37] <jem->	 Hi, one question: How much time should be excepted for changes in the MediaWiki:wikieditor-etc. messages of one project to be visible in that project?
[11:04:44] <hashar>	 Reedy: I did not notice you pasted everything
[11:05:07] <hashar>	 Reedy: so that let you with PreferencesTests which you can test easily with:  php phpunit.php includes/PreferencesTest.php
[11:05:13] <Reedy>	 I know
[11:05:14] <Reedy>	 http://p.defau.lt/?s_4IYmB3w0NiDVpceRM0gA
[11:05:30] <Reedy>	 4) UploadStashTest::testBug29408
[11:05:30] <Reedy>	 UploadStashFileException: Error storing file in '/var/www/wiki/w/tests/phpunit/i
[11:05:30] <Reedy>	 ncludes/upload/bug29408.': No se pudo crear el directorio «$1».
[11:05:31] <hashar>	 just making sure you know :-D
[11:05:36] <Reedy>	 Why am I getting spanish? :S
[11:05:45] <Vito>	 why did it give you an error in Spanish? o.O
[11:05:47] <Reedy>	 or rather, !English
[11:05:50] <hashar>	 cause some test before  did set the language to PT / SP ?
[11:06:03] <Vito>	 lol, I was looking at the same thing
[11:06:12] <hashar>	 or maybe you did use pt-br
[11:06:13] <hashar>	 $wgLanguageCode = "en-gb";
[11:06:14] <hashar>	 #$wgLanguageCode = "pt-br";
[11:06:23] <Reedy>	 That was for testing ages ago
[11:06:34] <hashar>	 l10ncache issue ? :D
[11:06:54] <hashar>	 or another test does not reset $wgLang / $wgContLang
[11:07:09] <Vito>	 mmh I think it's something in php's settings
[11:07:35] <jem->	 (I strike my question. I'm already seeing them in another browser).
[11:07:48] <hashar>	 Vito: oil at  2€ per litter is going to be the standard soon (aka in some years)
[11:08:06] <Reedy>	 It's 1.7 or so in northern europe
[11:08:09] <Reedy>	 Diesel is 1.4 or so
[11:08:12] <Vito>	 hashar: it rose because of new taxes
[11:08:27] <hashar>	 Vito: and Euro is weak against Dollars
[11:08:28] <Vito>	 diesel it's ~1.85 in IT
[11:08:40] <MaxSem>	 and I thought that $1/L in Russia is a lot:)
[11:08:49] <hashar>	 Vito: plus we are most probably after peak oil, so it will only cost more and more :-]
[11:09:02] <Vito>	 hashar: not really, but bascially we are still paying taxes for the Italian invasion of Etiopia in 1936 .__.
[11:09:09] <Vito>	 *basically
[11:09:25] <Reedy>	 Diesel is cheaper here than in the UK
[11:09:26] <hashar>	 MaxSem: surely more than 15 cents or so in Saudi Arabia
[11:09:29] <Vito>	 taxes on oil are quite easy to apply
[11:09:29] <Reedy>	 petrol is more expensive
[11:09:50] <hashar>	 jem-: is that a translation you did on translatewiki.net ?
[11:10:11] <jem->	 hashar: In fact not, I went the fast way
[11:10:32] <Vito>	 MaxSem: can you send me some thousand lt of petrol? thanks!
[11:10:44] <jem->	 I do have a translatewiki.net account but I'm always too busy to find my way in there
[11:10:58] <jem->	 hashar, but if you guide me, I can do it
[11:11:05] <MaxSem>	 Vito, sure -send a anker for it and pay customs fee
[11:11:14] <hashar>	 jem-: well I am not sure what was your first question 
[11:11:39] <hashar>	 jem-: if you edited a message on  the English Wikipedia, it is not going to be updated on the Portuguese Wikipedia
[11:11:51] <jem->	 It was in es.wikipedia, hashar 
[11:12:15] <jem->	 I created MediaWiki:Wikieditor-toolbar-help-content-ilink-syntax to correct a message only partially translated
[11:12:15] <Vito>	 MaxSem: I think it would be cheaper than buying it near here
[11:12:29] <hashar>	 jem-: so that is only fixing the issue on es.wikipedia :D
[11:13:07] <hashar>	 jem-: to have the message fixed on any wikimedia project using spanish, you will have to edit the page there
[11:13:08] <jem->	 I do know :) I just put the page on my watchlist to remember to pass it to translatewiki
[11:13:30] <hashar>	 jem-: so it is easier to use translatewiki and wait a bit. I think changes are usually applied to live site a day after
[11:13:44] <hashar>	 jem-: (I am just making sure you know :D )
[11:14:00] <jem->	 Ok, no problem :)
[11:14:18] <jem->	 I do know, it's just I'm always short of time
[11:14:25] <hashar>	 maybe there is a  #translatewiki  channel
[11:14:33] <hashar>	 there is surely #mediawiki-i18n
[11:14:45] <Reedy>	 Changing onwiki is bad, mmmkay?
[11:14:52] <hashar>	 that is the "secret" place where our internationalization / translation experts are
[11:15:13] <jem->	 Ok, ok, you have convinced me :)
[11:15:23] <Reedy>	 hashar: I presume the tests don't fail locally for you?
[11:15:33] <Reedy>	 hashar: OH
[11:15:43] <Reedy>	 I wonder if it's retarded and does it because email isn't enabled on my wiki
[11:15:48] <hashar>	 Reedy: probably not. My working copy is messy right now
[11:16:50] <Reedy>	 3) PreferencesTest::testEmailFieldsWhenUserEmailIsAuthenticated
[11:16:51] <Reedy>	 Failed asserting that two strings are equal.
[11:16:51] <Reedy>	 -'mw-email-authenticated'
[11:16:51] <Reedy>	 +'mw-email-not-authenticated'
[11:16:53] <Reedy>	 fucking lol
[11:17:24] <hashar>	 :-D
[11:17:38] <hashar>	 looks like the whole test suite need some love!
[11:18:00] * Reedy  logs a bug

[11:18:10] * hashar  ignores it :-D

[11:18:36] <hashar>	 oh no I am the author!
[11:19:59] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Preferences tests are broken... - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36065 normal; MediaWiki: Unit tests; (sam)
[11:24:52] <hashar>	 lunch ended, I am out now :-D
[11:24:55] <hashar>	 see you later this afternoon
[11:29:02] <jem->	 Well, I still can't find my way and nobody seems to be watching in #mediawiki-i18n
[11:31:32] <jem->	 Ok, I did find my way but it seems I have to ask for permissions... so, it will have to wait.
[11:31:59] <jem->	 (I supposed it will end that way)
[11:49:15] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) [Regression] opensearch API on de.wikisource stopped indexing new pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36035  +comment (10enomil)
[11:51:07] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Set $wgUseMathJax = true on Wikimedia wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31406  +comment (10nageh)
[11:52:59] * vvv  finds its funny is that the wiki on which MathJax is deployed is the wiki where there are hardly any formulas at all to check

[11:58:18] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) MathJax: Several commands that work in texvc are not recognized - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35186  +comment (10nageh)
[11:58:27] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Allow references to be listed with letters - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/22265  (10bluehairedlawyer)
[11:59:00] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Enable flags for needinfo - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36064  +comment (10Tim Landscheidt)
[11:59:06] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Allow references to be listed with letters - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/22265  (10bluehairedlawyer)
[12:00:03] <sDrewth>	 how in the hell can an AbuseFilter go straight to TAG, and miss the warning phase?
[12:00:05] <sDrewth>	 https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:AbuseLog?title=Special%3AAbuseLog&wpSearchUser=&wpSearchFilter=49&wpSearchTitle=
[12:00:40] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Lupo; "(bug 32537) Pre-register default-loaded RL modules in the client-side loader." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4326
[12:02:00] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: jenkins-bot; "Build Successful " [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 1 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4326
[12:05:10] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) SMW query printer ignores $egMapsGoogleMapsZoom - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36056  +comment (10Ike Hecht)
[12:05:19] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) [Regression] opensearch API on de.wikisource stopped indexing new pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36035  +comment (10enomil)
[12:07:25] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) MathJax: Several commands that work in texvc are not recognized - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35186  +comment (10nageh)
[12:15:24] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) MathJax: Several commands that work in texvc are not recognized - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35186  +comment (10nageh)
[12:16:32] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Add stix font for mathjax - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35498  +comment (10nageh)
[12:24:26] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Enable flags for needinfo - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36064  +comment (10Tim Landscheidt)
[12:29:58] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Siebrand; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/TranslationNotifications] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5221
[12:30:01] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Siebrand; [mediawiki/extensions/TranslationNotifications] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5221
[12:35:04] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Siebrand; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/DismissableSiteNotice] (master); V: 0 C: 1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3951
[12:40:53] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: GWicke; "Add tokenizer cache and clone token state on mutation" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5224
[12:41:43] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: GWicke; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5224
[12:41:46] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: GWicke; [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5224
[12:44:25] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Reedy; "If the "translation" is the same as the fallback (ie CAPTCHA), you don't need to add the translation" [mediawiki/extensions/ConfirmEdit] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5223
[12:44:50] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Reedy; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/ConfirmEdit] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5223
[12:47:37] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Proofread Page Tools not shown if Enhanced Edit Toolbar enabled. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36066 normal; MediaWiki: Page editing; (wiki)
[12:52:19] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Difficult to use on Nokia N97 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/20120  +comment (10Jon)
[12:52:29] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Difficult to use on Nokia N97 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/20120  (10Jon)
[12:52:29] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Reedy; "assertEquals is $expected, $actual, not $actual, $expected" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5225
[12:53:17] <Reedy>	 Dantman: ^^
[12:53:48] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: jenkins-bot; "Build Successful " [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 1 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5225
[12:54:47] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Reedy; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/ConfirmEdit] (master); V: 0 C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5223
[12:56:34] <wikibugs>	 14(INVALID) 255 character system filename limit prevents generating thumbnails for files with long names - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36050  +comment (10Vitaliy Filippov)
[12:57:05] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) 255 character system filename limit prevents generating thumbnails for files with long names - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36050  +comment (10Vitaliy Filippov)
[12:59:25] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Reedy; "Has anyone got any further issues with this commit?" [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3363
[13:17:47] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Rerun populateParentId from some IDs (English Wikipedia) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34981  +comment (10Jarry1250)
[13:20:35] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Rerun populateParentId from some IDs (English Wikipedia) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34981  +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[13:26:06] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) new telugu web font for telugu wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35782  +comment (10sai)
[13:29:16] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Reedy; "Testing" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5226
[13:30:31] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Rerun populateParentId from some IDs (English Wikipedia) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34981  +comment (10Jarry1250)
[13:30:34] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: jenkins-bot; "Build Successful " [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 1 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5226
[13:33:14] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Reedy; "This is crap" [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5226
[13:35:52] <codurr>	 03a_engels * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/114953> 10/trunk/wikistats/squids/SquidReportArchive.pl: change in lookout of the UserAgent screen
[13:36:54] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Reedy; "Testing" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5226
[13:38:14] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: jenkins-bot; "Build Successful " [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 1 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5226
[13:38:33] <gerrit-wm>	 Change abandoned: Reedy; "Complete crap" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5226
[13:44:04] <codurr>	 03a_engels * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/114954> 10/trunk/wikistats/squids/SquidReportArchive.pl: Oops
[13:46:38] <hexmode>	 Dantman: is this true? "ResourceLoader doesn't do ie specific styles"
[13:46:38] <hexmode>	  
[13:47:45] <aharoni>	 hashar: Hello again. I had Internet outage and now i'm trying to commit a patch again. `git log', as you suggested, lists a lot of commits which are not related to me. Do you need to know what they are to tell me how to overcome the `git review' problem?
[13:48:18] <hashar>	 INTERNET WAS DOWN ???
[13:48:22] <hashar>	 :-D
[13:49:02] <aharoni>	 it happens to me a lot lately :(
[13:49:27] <hashar>	 that must be because of all the funny unicode sequence you are sending over the wire
[13:51:31] <hashar>	 aharoni: can you post somewhere several pages of   git log --oneline --decorate --graph gerrit/master YOURBRANCH
[13:51:47] <hashar>	 or we can arrange a google+ hangout and do some screen sharing
[13:58:53] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Werdna; "I'm planning on giving this a good review in the next day or two." [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5126
[13:58:58] <aharoni>	 hashar, http://dpaste.com/733689/
[13:59:51] <hashar>	 aharoni: is your branch 2012/bug_4045/add_dirmark_to_parent_subpage_links ?
[13:59:56] <hashar>	 (line 30 in dpaste)
[14:00:01] <aharoni>	 yes. that one.
[14:00:12] <hashar>	 can you post the git-review output too ?
[14:01:01] <aharoni>	 hashar, http://dpaste.com/733692/
[14:01:14] <hashar>	 oh my god :-D
[14:01:40] <hashar>	 looking at the git log ( http://dpaste.com/733689/ )
[14:01:44] <hashar>	 line 30 you will see your currentbranch
[14:01:52] <hashar>	 * d743c35 (HEAD, 2012/bug_4045/add_dirmark_to_parent_subpage_links) Fixes bug 4045 by adding dirmarks.
[14:02:09] <hashar>	 it depends on a merge commit  (ad84998) that merges all of master in your branch
[14:03:22] <aharoni>	 ehh... possibly.
[14:03:23] <hashar>	 aharoni: that is confusing git-review somehow :-D
[14:03:35] <aharoni>	 you don't say.
[14:03:54] <hashar>	 aharoni: I think by making your branch a fork of latest gerrit/master that will solve the issue
[14:04:08] <aharoni>	 i tried to create a new branch and make the same change, and got the same thing.
[14:04:09] <hashar>	 possible fix would be: git rebase gerrit/master
[14:04:23] <hashar>	 if that does not work we will find out a new solution
[14:04:25] <aharoni>	 i tried git rebase gerrit/master at some point, too.
[14:06:41] <hashar>	 another solution would be to create a new branch from master
[14:06:47] <hashar>	 and apply the commit on it
[14:06:57] <hashar>	 git checkout -b newbranch  gerrit/master
[14:07:21] <hashar>	 then: git cherry-pick d743c35
[14:08:40] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) "PHP Notice: Undefined index: host" in PHP www-error.log using MobileFrontend - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36057  +comment (10Quim Gil)
[14:11:48] <Peter_Porka>	 Hallo
[14:12:22] <Peter_Porka>	 ich hab mir soeben das mediawiki lokal installiert, jetzt wollte ich mal frage wie ich da kategorien anlegen kann?
[14:14:25] <aharoni>	 hashar: i tried the cherry-pick thing already, the result was the same.
[14:14:53] <hashar>	 git checkout -b gerrit/master ;  git cherry-pick d743c35;
[14:15:00] <hashar>	 that should apply the content on top of gerrit/master
[14:16:45] <aharoni>	 hashar, http://dpaste.com/733704/
[14:17:04] <hashar>	 doh
[14:19:01] <hashar>	 aharoni: i don't even know what it means
[14:19:12] <hashar>	 that would sounds like cherry picking a commit that is already in the branch
[14:19:15] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) SF Upload popup permissions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33555  +comment (10Neill Mitchell)
[14:19:54] <Peter_Porka>	 hi there, how to add categories to my local wiki?
[14:20:00] <Peter_Porka>	 i need a news categorie
[14:20:56] <aharoni>	 Peter_Porka: put [[Category:News]] on some page; save it; click the red link at the bottom; edit that page; save it. That's it.
[14:22:39] <Peter_Porka>	 thx alot
[14:26:57] <aharoni>	 hashar: alors, any ideas about submitting that patch?..
[14:27:10] <hashar>	 aharoni: can we set up a screen sharing with GooglePlus ? 
[14:27:19] <hashar>	 aharoni: I must be missing something obvious
[14:27:31] <hashar>	 cherry picking the commit on master should just work
[14:27:47] <hashar>	 I do not understand why it tells you about that empty commit
[14:27:49] <Peter_Porka>	 does anybody know an extension where you can add such tags like Categorie to the Editor?
[14:28:46] <chombium>	 hi, I'm using the ResourceLoader to load the js and css needed by the extension that I'm developing. I noticed that the css is load very late. Is there a way to instruct the ResourceLoader to load the css earlier?
[14:32:40] <drecodea_>	 hi sumanah 
[14:33:02] <Peter_Porka>	 or how to add those categorie tag to my editor like image or those other icons i can select
[14:33:23] <sumanah>	 hi drecodeam_ 
[14:33:40] <sumanah>	 Peter_Porka: do you think the HotCat gadget might suit you?
[14:34:03] <drecodeam_>	 when will we get to know about the people who are getting subsidy for the berlin hackathon ?
[14:34:05] <sumanah>	 chombium: the RL experts seem not to be here right now
[14:34:23] <sumanah>	 drecodeam_: I aim to get out a preliminary list today, drecodeam_, and contact people
[14:34:33] <Peter_Porka>	 sumanah:where to find?
[14:34:50] <sumanah>	 drecodeam_: the more information people put into their registration about what kind of subsidy they need, the faster we can move
[14:35:05] <sumanah>	 Peter_Porka: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:HotCat
[14:35:39] <sumanah>	 Peter_Porka: try that and then look for HotCat at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Gadgets
[14:35:42] <drecodeam_>	 i have already filled the form, had written all the information you had suggested me to 
[14:35:55] <sumanah>	 drecodeam_: then I will almost certainly be responding to you within the next 24 hours
[14:36:01] <Peter_Porka>	 i'll try thx
[14:36:01] <chombium>	 sumanah: any ideas if it's even possible to instruct the RL to load the extension resources earlier?
[14:36:11] <sumanah>	 chombium: I am not an RL developer or user, sorry, I don't know
[14:36:26] <potter>	 sumanah: hi
[14:36:33] <sumanah>	 chombium: you might wait 30 min here (I suspect one will show up by then) or email mediawiki-l
[14:36:36] <sumanah>	 !lists | chombium 
[14:36:36] <mw-bot>	 chombium: mediawiki-l and wikitech-l are the primary mailing lists for MediaWiki-related issues. See https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Mailing_lists for details.
[14:36:37] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) SF Upload popup permissions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33555  +comment (10Yaron Koren)
[14:36:38] <sumanah>	 hi potter 
[14:37:33] <Peter_Porka>	 i cant find that HotCat option
[14:38:05] <sumanah>	 Peter_Porka: it's a Gadget
[14:38:06] <sumanah>	 !gadget
[14:38:06] <mw-bot>	 For information about using Gadgets, see https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Gadget_kitchen .  For information about Extension:Gadgets see http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Gadgets
[14:38:29] <drecodeam_>	 sumanah: ok, looking forward to it :D
[14:38:39] <sumanah>	 Peter_Porka: you'd have to install the Gadgets extension on your own wiki and then add the HotCat gadget itself
[14:39:29] <Peter_Porka>	 this one? http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Gadgets
[14:40:14] <sumanah>	 Peter_Porka: yes
[14:40:18] <sumanah>	 ok, I have to go
[14:40:35] <Peter_Porka>	 thx
[14:40:42] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Graph format showing legend only if both graphcolor and graphlabel are set to "Yes" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36067 normal; MediaWiki extensions: SemanticResultFormats; (icarnevale)
[14:42:11] <Peter_Porka>	 strange those gadgets are already installed
[14:47:04] <Peter_Porka>	 i have installed the gadgets but there is nothing to select i added this require_once( "extensions/Gadgets/Gadgets.php" ); to my local settings
[14:47:13] <Peter_Porka>	 where to find those gadgets?
[14:48:40] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) new telugu web font for telugu wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35782  +comment (10Santhosh Thottingal)
[14:55:06] <tale>	 Peter_Porka: Did you install HotCat already?
[14:55:26] <Peter_Porka>	 tale: i thought its in this gadgets
[14:57:09] <tale>	 Peter_Porka: Seems like it is. Did you look at the special gadget page in your wiki?
[14:57:37] <Peter_Porka>	 tale: i can't find this special gadget page
[14:57:51] <aharoni>	 hashar: i tried to install the google+ plugin, but it didn't work. (and honestly, i'm not surprised.) can we try TeamViewer, maybe?
[14:58:09] <Peter_Porka>	 tale: i select stettings but there is no tab with special gadgets
[14:58:28] <tale>	 Peter_Porka: Is that require_once exactly what you entered in LocalSettings.php? If so, it has typo.
[14:58:59] <hashar>	 aharoni: I don't have team viewer :D
[14:59:04] <Qcoder00>	 http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Page:Ruffhead_-_The_Statutes_at_Large,_1763.djvu/45 - Suggestions?
[14:59:15] <hashar>	 aharoni: does that work on mac ?
[14:59:20] <Qcoder00>	 I'm transcluding a section, and it's transcluding more than intended
[14:59:52] <Peter_Porka>	 tale: yes it is cause if i change the path im getting errors
[15:00:06] <wikibugs>	 14(WFM) Support HTML 5 multiple upload control - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/16752  (10drecodeam)
[15:00:13] <nischayn22>	 JeroenDeDauw: why does SMW have documentation in PHP and not on semantic-mediawiki.org? :P
[15:00:25] <tale>	 Peter_Porka: Show what you have entered in LocalSettings.php.
[15:00:38] <Peter_Porka>	 require_once( "extensions/Gadgets/Gadgets.php" );
[15:00:50] <aharoni>	 hashar, http://www.teamviewer.com/en/download/index.aspx?os=mac
[15:01:02] <tale>	 Peter_Porka: That wont work. Missing "$IP/
[15:01:46] <Peter_Porka>	 require_once( "$IP/extensions/Gadgets/Gadgets.php" );
[15:01:51] <Peter_Porka>	 tale: same 
[15:01:59] <Peter_Porka>	 tale: no error but also no tab ;(
[15:02:13] <hashar>	 aharoni: oh my god that is not free software!!! ;-D
[15:02:16] <tale>	 Peter_Porka: Maybe cache problem? Try refreshing page.
[15:02:18] <hashar>	 aharoni: it is downloading
[15:02:59] <Peter_Porka>	 tale: nope cleared the cach
[15:03:20] <Qcoder00>	 Anyone?
[15:03:32] <potter>	 Qcoder00: yes
[15:03:49] <tale>	 Peter_Porka: You have logged in to your wiki? And you are looking at page Special:Preferences in your wiki?
[15:04:13] <aharoni>	 hashar, neither is Google Hangout. At least TeamViewer doesn't pretend to be a part of the web, like Hangout does. (But Google are working on WebRTC, which may become a very cool thing.)
[15:04:30] <Qcoder00>	 potter: Crosswiki transclude doen't seem to work consistently at Wikisource - http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Page:Ruffhead_-_The_Statutes_at_Large,_1763.djvu/45
[15:04:36] <Peter_Porka>	 tale: im logged in and im at http://localwiki.localhost/index.php/Spezial:Einstellungen
[15:04:42] <hashar>	 aharoni: it is installing
[15:04:52] <Qcoder00>	 potter: I've been trying for  most of the afternoon to get that page working correctly
[15:04:57] <potter>	 Qcoder00: which part are do you want to translude?
[15:05:01] <potter>	 Qcoder00: :)
[15:05:04] <Qcoder00>	 The sections marked
[15:05:23] <tale>	 Peter_Porka: You still do not see a tab for gadgets?
[15:05:24] <Qcoder00>	 but the references should noy be translcuded within the column 
[15:05:35] <Qcoder00>	 They should be at the bottom OUTSIDE the column
[15:05:49] <Qcoder00>	 The sections are properly named on the source
[15:05:54] <Peter_Porka>	 tale: lol no
[15:06:05] <tale>	 Peter_Porka: What version of Mediawiki are you running?
[15:06:17] <potter>	 Qcoder00: hope this helps - http://www.appropedia.org/Help:Transluding_mainspace_pages
[15:06:26] <Peter_Porka>	 tale: News-MW1.18
[15:06:33] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: IAlex; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/core] (master) C: 1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5212
[15:06:39] <Peter_Porka>	 tale: sry mediawiki-1.18.2
[15:07:04] <Qcoder00>	 potter: It's not mainspace
[15:07:10] <tale>	 Peter_Porka: What do you have in directory extensions/Gadgets
[15:07:10] <Peter_Porka>	 tale: Gadgets-MW1.18
[15:07:26] <potter>	 Qcoder00: oh
[15:07:37] <Qcoder00>	 and that page didn't help
[15:07:45] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Reha Sterbin; "Second batch of fixes for the 4/19 deployment" [mediawiki/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5229
[15:08:55] <Peter_Porka>	 tale: ApiQueryGadgetCategories.php, ApiQueryGadgets.php,gadgets_body.php,gadgets_tests.php, gadgets.alias.php,gadgets.i18n.php,gadgets.php,install.settings,readme,specialsgadgets.php
[15:10:12] <Qcoder00>	 Potter: What it should be transcluding is a single named section
[15:10:26] <Reedy>	 !cache
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[15:10:38] <Qcoder00>	 What seems to be transcluding is everything on the page that occurs after the  section is named
[15:11:24] <Qcoder00>	 I've checked the syntax I'm using
[15:11:30] <tale>	 Peter_Porka: Does the file Gadgets.php have Capitalized name?
[15:11:35] <Qcoder00>	 and I've checked that i have named stuff correctly
[15:11:45] <Qcoder00>	 So I'd like it you could tell me where I've gone wrong?
[15:11:55] <potter>	 Qcoder00: i am checking
[15:12:02] <Qcoder00>	 Or is it not possible to transclude using LST across different languages?
[15:12:15] <potter>	 Qcoder00: which section are u transluding ?
[15:12:33] <Qcoder00>	 la0  which transcludes correctly
[15:12:36] <Qcoder00>	 and cap_I
[15:12:42] <Qcoder00>	 which doesn't
[15:12:54] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: IAlex; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/core] (master) C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4606
[15:13:59] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Catrope; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5229
[15:14:01] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Catrope; [mediawiki/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5229
[15:15:51] <nischayn22>	 Ah, why do I have to retype everything if the connection fails at page saving :((
[15:15:58] <potter>	 Qcoder00: i am not able to understand the problem
[15:16:24] <potter>	 Qcoder00: and i have nver attempted such complicated wiki text :P
[15:16:30] <Qcoder00>	 potter: On the source , there is a NAMED section
[15:16:45] <Sid-G>	 nischayn22:If u're editing a wiki in chrome, u could just press back and forward (or reload)
[15:16:51] <Qcoder00>	 I'm trying to transclude that SINGLE SECTION and nothing else
[15:17:29] <Qcoder00>	 What get's trancluded is the SECTION and anything after it, which is NOT what is epxected given the documentaion for the method I was using
[15:17:36] <nischayn22>	 Sid-G: that restores the text from previous revision
[15:17:40] <nischayn22>	 and all my changes get lost
[15:17:47] <Peter_Porka>	 tale: Gadgets.php
[15:18:09] <Qcoder00>	 I get slightly annoyed when the method in the documentation  does not match actual behaviour
[15:18:16] <Qcoder00>	 Please fix 
[15:18:25] <Sid-G>	 nischayn22:u're using chrome right?
[15:18:45] <RoanKattouw>	 Qcoder00: Maybe it's including subsections?
[15:18:53] <Qcoder00>	 I checked that
[15:18:59] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) No progress after upload warnings - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33357  +comment (10Hersfold)
[15:19:07] <Qcoder00>	 The source has NO subsections and no overlapping sections
[15:19:16] <Sid-G>	 nischayn22:chrome should ask u if u wanna resubmit the information, say yes to it and it should save ur edit
[15:19:41] <nischayn22>	 Sid-G: for me it doesn't ask
[15:19:52] <Peter_Porka>	 tale: thats ill
[15:20:04] <Sid-G>	 nischayn22: hmm
[15:20:06] <Qcoder00>	 Roan: The reason I'm doing the transclude  is because that's what i was told to do  because the work is multlingual Latin/English
[15:20:20] <Qcoder00>	 and I was told it was poliocy to put the la portion on laWS
[15:20:23] <nischayn22>	 Sid-G: It asks for other sites though
[15:20:29] <tale>	 Peter_Porka: What?
[15:20:42] <Sid-G>	 nischayn22: other non-wikis u mean, or other wikis too?
[15:20:46] <Qcoder00>	 When i was perfectly happy in transcribing both on a single wiki (enWS) so this transclude issue did not occur
[15:20:49] <Peter_Porka>	 tale: i don't know whats wrong everything looks good
[15:21:03] <tale>	 Peter_Porka: Who is ill?
[15:21:25] <Qcoder00>	 Is there a CORRECT working method  for transcribing a SINGLE section and nothing else from a page on ONE wiki to another wiki?@
[15:21:32] <Peter_Porka>	 tale: the problem
[15:21:43] <nischayn22>	 Sid-G: Other non-wikis
[15:22:21] <Sid-G>	 nischayn22: hmm, that sucks (I hate it when that happens)
[15:22:42] <Sid-G>	 nischayn22: only option is to ctrl+A and ctrl+C right before saving
[15:23:00] <nischayn22>	 Sid-G: really, don't know what's wrong with chrome it doesn't even load wordpress.com now
[15:23:19] <Sid-G>	 wow
[15:23:23] <Sid-G>	 nischayn22: re-install
[15:23:26] <nischayn22>	 Sid-G: have to switch to ff
[15:23:35] <Sid-G>	 or restart chrome
[15:23:56] <nischayn22>	 or ff
[15:24:23] <Sid-G>	 nischayn22: sure why not
[15:25:30] <nischayn22>	 Sid-G: do you hack on MW?
[15:25:42] <Sid-G>	 nischayn22: not really
[15:28:08] <jubo2>	 !sitenotice
[15:28:08] <mw-bot>	 Sitenotice is a wiki-wide message that appears at the top of the page for all users. It is editable by users in the sysop usergroup at [[MediaWiki:Sitenotice]]. See also: !anonnotice
[15:28:15] <tale>	 Peter_Porka: Does the page Special:Version show Gadgets is installed?
[15:30:18] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Alex Monk; "(bug 30410) Remove deprecated $wgFilterCallback. The 'filtered' API error was also removed, along with EditPage::AS_FILTERING." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4550
[15:30:24] <Peter_Porka>	 tale: yes, Installierte Erweiterungen
[15:30:24] <Peter_Porka>	 Andere Erweiterungen
[15:30:24] <Peter_Porka>	 Gadgets 	Erm�glicht es Benutzern, in ihren pers�nlichen Einstellungen vordefinierte CSS- und JavaScript-Helferlein zu aktivieren
[15:30:45] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) new telugu web font for telugu wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35782  +comment (10Veeven)
[15:31:11] <Peter_Porka>	 tale: but if i go to the setup there is no tab
[15:31:38] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: jenkins-bot; "Build Successful " [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 1 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4550
[15:31:44] <Peter_Porka>	 tale: or do i need to setup something else in the localsettings
[15:31:47] <tale>	 Peter_Porka: I do not have that tab either.
[15:32:04] <Peter_Porka>	 tale: and where do you find your gadgets
[15:32:12] <tale>	 Peter_Porka: Have you added to page Mediawiki:Gadgets-definition the gadgets you want to use?
[15:32:23] <Thehelpfulone>	 any mw crats about?
[15:32:39] <Peter_Porka>	 tale: no how to do this?
[15:33:07] <tale>	 Peter_Porka: I have no idea. The manual pages explains everything but that.
[15:33:17] <Peter_Porka>	 tale: looooool
[15:33:27] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) Variable names showing on the oversight page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35849  +comment (10Reha Sterbin)
[15:33:28] <Nikerabbit>	 RoanKattouw: ^demon: there is 'svn up' on https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/view/How_to_deploy_code#Step_2:_get_the_code_on_fenari
[15:33:33] <RoanKattouw>	 Meh
[15:33:35] <RoanKattouw>	 Fixing
[15:33:43] <Peter_Porka>	 tale: i tought there will be a tab und u can select that hotcat
[15:33:45] <tale>	 Peter_Porka: No, I am wrong. The chapter Format explains just that.
[15:34:31] <Peter_Porka>	 tale: where are those MediaWiki:Gadgets-definition
[15:34:34] <tale>	 Peter_Porka: Read the chapters Usage and Format, and follow instructions.
[15:34:35] <Peter_Porka>	 where to find them
[15:34:45] <wikibugs>	 03(WONTFIX) Add Raviprakash web font for Telugu - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35782  summary; +comment (10Siebrand)
[15:34:54] <tale>	 Peter_Porka: That is a page in your wiki. If it does not exist yet, create it.
[15:35:42] <Peter_Porka>	 tale: like this?
[15:35:42] <Peter_Porka>	 http://localwiki.localhost/index.php/Gadgets-definition
[15:35:44] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Don't give people with comment hiding rights the 'Flag as abuse' link - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35744  (10Reha Sterbin)
[15:35:55] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Proofread Page Tools not shown if Enhanced Edit Toolbar enabled. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36066  +comment (10Beau)
[15:35:56] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Wikisource related bugs and enhancements (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35925  (10Beau)
[15:36:01] <tale>	 Peter_Porka: No, the page name is MediaWiki:Gadgets-definition 
[15:36:28] <nischayn22>	 Sid-G: In FF alt+s doesn't work
[15:36:31] <Peter_Porka>	 tale: localwiki.localhost/index.php/MediaWiki:Gadgets-definition 
[15:36:34] <jubo2>	 found it thanks. shukran, shukran MediaWiki devels.
[15:36:36] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) Article Feedback v5 - Update Notices for Feedback Page Actions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35599  +comment (10Reha Sterbin)
[15:36:51] <tale>	 Peter_Porka: If other pages in your wiki have names like that, then yes.
[15:37:10] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) Retire AFTv5 "bucket" url parameter - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35589  (10Yoni Shostak)
[15:37:12] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) Disparity between submit clicktracking events and AFTv5 records created - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35590  +comment (10Reha Sterbin)
[15:37:31] <tale>	 Peter_Porka: That HotCat looks kinda complex. Are you sure you need it?
[15:37:50] <Peter_Porka>	 tale: nope i think the customer wants it
[15:38:07] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Daniel Kinzler; "Make the OAI harvester accept any tag inside the page element. Previously, "new" tags like <ns> or <sha1> caused an error." [mediawiki/extensions/OAI] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5230
[15:38:09] <Sid-G>	 nischayn22: what's alt+s ?
[15:38:28] <nischayn22>	 Sid-G: shortcut to save a wiki page
[15:38:33] <Peter_Porka>	 tale: i am looking for a way to add such things [[Category:News] in the editor
[15:38:46] <tale>	 Peter_Porka: Does HotCat do that?
[15:38:54] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) unrequesting oversight does not unhide - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35502  +comment (10Yoni Shostak)
[15:39:07] <tale>	 Peter_Porka: I just write [[Category:News]], that is simple and works.
[15:39:24] <Peter_Porka>	 tale: dont know another guy from this channle told that 
[15:39:26] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) replacing "hidden by Article Feedback V5" link with the actual account - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35501  (10Reha Sterbin)
[15:39:45] <Peter_Porka>	 tale: yeah i do the same but i think for the users its better
[15:40:01] <tale>	 Peter_Porka: If all you want is get a page to a gategory, just write that at the bottom of the page.
[15:40:31] <tale>	 Peter_Porka: I do not know what HotCat does, maybe it has some extra usefull stuff.
[15:40:39] <Sid-G>	 Peter_Porka:see HotCat's help page on wikimedia commons
[15:40:41] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: IAlex; "No more RELEASE-NOTES entry?" [mediawiki/core] (master) C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4550
[15:40:59] <Sid-G>	 tale:HotCat is really nice for categorisation
[15:41:11] <Peter_Porka>	 Sid-G: i can't get it running
[15:41:15] <Peter_Porka>	 heheheh
[15:41:29] <Sid-G>	 Peter_Porka:one sec, i'll give u a link
[15:41:39] <Peter_Porka>	 the gadget tab won't come up
[15:42:01] <Sid-G>	 Peter_Porka:I can tell u how to add HotCat if the gadget setup is complete
[15:42:26] <Sid-G>	 Peter_Porka:But I have no idea on the internal system stuff for the gadgets extension
[15:42:42] <Peter_Porka>	 Sid-G: its complete , it says installed 
[15:42:42] <Sid-G>	 Peter_Porka:you have to create Mediawiki:Gadgets-definition for the tab to show up
[15:42:53] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Update of interwiki map database - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36068 normal; Wikimedia: Interwiki links; (billinghurst)
[15:43:05] <Peter_Porka>	 Sid-G: no, cause i don't know how to create it
[15:43:09] <Reedy>	 I'm sure there's already a bug open for that
[15:43:11] <Sid-G>	 Peter_Porka:ok
[15:43:29] <Sid-G>	 Peter_Porka:go to the page and click on the create tab
[15:43:34] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Amire80; "Fixes bug 4045 by adding dirmarks." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5231
[15:43:44] <tale>	 Peter_Porka: Write * HotCat[ResourceLoader]|HotCat.js to that -definitions page.
[15:43:46] <Peter_Porka>	 Sid-G: in the settings?
[15:43:48] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Malicious Javascript not stripped from AFTv5 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35491  +comment (10Reha Sterbin)
[15:43:58] <Sid-G>	 Peter_Porka:you'll need admin rights on the wiki
[15:44:17] <Sid-G>	 Peter_Porka: see http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Gadget-HotCat#Installing_HotCat_on_another_Wiki
[15:44:26] <Peter_Porka>	 Sid-G: where to create those tab?
[15:44:36] <tale>	 Peter_Porka: I already told you.
[15:44:39] <wikibugs>	 03(WONTFIX) Article Feedback v5 - Feedback forms should not be resizable - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35444  +comment (10Reha Sterbin)
[15:44:43] <Sid-G>	 Peter_Porka:where's your wiki. Is it public?
[15:44:49] <Peter_Porka>	 nope its local
[15:44:52] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: jenkins-bot; "Build Successful " [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 1 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5231
[15:44:58] <tale>	 I got HotCat to my wiki. Seems to work now.
[15:44:59] <Sid-G>	 Peter_Porka:ok
[15:45:18] <Sid-G>	 Peter_Porka:You'll have to browse to the page Mediawiki:Gadgets-definition in your wiki
[15:45:35] <Peter_Porka>	 localwiki.localhost/index.php/Mediawiki:Gadgets-definition ?
[15:45:41] <Sid-G>	 Peter_Porka:just like you'd open any other page on your wiki
[15:45:41] <Sid-G>	 Peter_Porka:not through the settings or anything
[15:45:43] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) Clicktracking event shows old form option and new clicktracking event format - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35424  +comment (10Reha Sterbin)
[15:45:50] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) Clicktracking version number should be > 0 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35423  (10Reha Sterbin)
[15:46:11] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Add Telugu Transliteration input method to Narayam - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33480  +comment (10Veeven)
[15:46:13] <RoanKattouw>	 Nikerabbit: Looks like ^demon fixed it for me
[15:46:17] <Sid-G>	 yes
[15:46:18] <Sid-G>	 then click on the create tab
[15:46:20] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) 1.19/1.20 wgResourceBasePath hack for accessing resourceloader /w/resources/ problems - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35939  +comment (10Rob Lanphier)
[15:46:37] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) Proofread Page Tools not shown if Enhanced Edit Toolbar enabled. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36066  +comment (10Beau)
[15:46:43] <Peter_Porka>	 Sid-G: i did
[15:46:45] <Peter_Porka>	 http://localwiki.localhost/index.php/MediaWiki:Gadgets-definition
[15:46:52] <Peter_Porka>	 HotCat[ResourceLoader]|HotCat.js 
[15:46:56] <wikibugs>	 03(WONTFIX) Blank edit saves should not be logged as edit_success events - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35422  +comment (10Reha Sterbin)
[15:46:57] <Peter_Porka>	 thats in it niw
[15:46:59] <Peter_Porka>	 now
[15:47:08] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) Link option IDs disappear from clicktracking events at the end of the Edit CTA funnel - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35421  (10Reha Sterbin)
[15:47:09] <tale>	 Peter_Porka: That is not what I told you to write there.
[15:47:21] <Peter_Porka>	 tale: no?
[15:47:33] <Sid-G>	 ok
[15:47:33] <Sid-G>	 you're editing the page now, or you created it with the text Tale gave?
[15:47:40] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) Clicktracking events sill using Phase 1 format - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35420  (10Reha Sterbin)
[15:47:44] <tale>	 Peter_Porka: Look at this page, copy the hotcat line from that. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Gadgets-definition&action=edit
[15:47:51] <Sid-G>	 Peter_Porka:there's more to do to install it
[15:48:25] <Peter_Porka>	 Sid-G & Tale: i copy and paste everything
[15:48:26] <wikibugs>	 14(WFM) Link Option E disable flyover not working in FF 10.0.2 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35419  +comment (10Reha Sterbin)
[15:48:34] <Sid-G>	 ok
[15:48:56] <wikibugs>	 14(WFM) On Safari, the link text is underlined for Link Option E - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35418  +comment (10Reha Sterbin)
[15:48:57] <Peter_Porka>	 ahh now i got the tab in the settings
[15:49:03] <Peter_Porka>	 thank you very much you 2
[15:49:06] <Sid-G>	 yes
[15:49:27] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Daniel Kinzler; "Adding the ability to filter by namespace. This is untested, sorry." [mediawiki/extensions/OAI] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5232
[15:49:30] <Sid-G>	 Peter_Porka: wait
[15:49:38] <Peter_Porka>	 Sid-G: i activate it
[15:49:44] <Sid-G>	 Peter_Porka: u added the HotCat code Tale told u to?
[15:49:52] <Sid-G>	 Peter_Porka: test it
[15:49:58] <Peter_Porka>	 Sid-G: how to test it
[15:50:11] <Sid-G>	 Peter_Porka: test to check if hotcat work
[15:50:19] <Sid-G>	 *works
[15:50:29] <Peter_Porka>	 Sid-G: i don't know how it works
[15:50:38] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) 1.19/1.20 wgResourceBasePath hack for accessing resourceloader /w/resources/ problems - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35939  (10Krinkle)
[15:50:58] <Sid-G>	 Peter_Porka: did you create Mediawiki:Gadget-HotCat.js on ur wiki?
[15:50:58] <Sid-G>	 or just the definition page?
[15:51:28] <Sid-G>	 Peter_Porka:ok, but you created both the pages right?
[15:51:28] <Peter_Porka>	 Sid-G: nope and i lost all other edit options for the articles
[15:51:50] <Nikerabbit>	 RoanKattouw: good
[15:52:19] <Sid-G>	 Peter_Porka: just creating the definition page doesn't give u a gadget
[15:52:19] <Sid-G>	 Peter_Porka: that just tells MW that these gadgets should be there
[15:52:32] <Peter_Porka>	 nope whats the code for that gadget?
[15:52:43] <Peter_Porka>	 that its the php in the gadget folder
[15:53:01] <Sid-G>	 Peter_Porka: I'd advise u read http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Gadget-HotCat#Installing_HotCat_on_another_Wiki
[15:53:20] <Sid-G>	 Peter_Porka: read the help page
[15:53:28] <Peter_Porka>	 k thx 
[15:54:04] <Sid-G>	 Peter_Porka: no, gadgets are javascripts
[15:54:04] <Sid-G>	 Peter_Porka: gadgets aren't included in mediawiki
[15:54:10] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Reedy; "Wrapping, documentation and stuff" [mediawiki/extensions/WikidataClient] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5233
[15:54:29] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Jeroen De Dauw; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/WikidataClient] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5233
[15:54:35] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Jeroen De Dauw; [mediawiki/extensions/WikidataClient] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5233
[15:54:54] <Sid-G>	 Peter_Porka: the page i linked to tells u how exactly to install hotcat
[15:55:31] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Reedy; "Fix whitespace" [mediawiki/extensions/WikidataRepo] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5234
[15:56:29] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Reedy; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4629
[15:56:33] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Reedy; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4629
[15:56:42] <Peter_Porka>	 big thanks for the help...have to go cu tomorrow
[15:59:26] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) BiDi: Embed links for parent pages according to content language - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/4045  +comment (10Amir E. Aharoni)
[16:04:48] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) On Chrome in incognito mode, Link Option E has black lettering - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35417  (10Reha Sterbin)
[16:04:53] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Kai Nissen; "(34753) Added label for captcha field shown in forms" [mediawiki/extensions/ConfirmEdit] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5223
[16:05:23] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) On Chrome, Link Option E says only "Improve this" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35416  (10Reha Sterbin)
[16:05:25] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) Link Option E should be in a larger font - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35415  (10Reha Sterbin)
[16:05:39] <wikibugs>	 03(WONTFIX) Implement $wgResourcesPath and $wgResourcesDirectory - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31173  +comment (10Krinkle)
[16:05:43] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) Debug parameters don't work as expected - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35414  (10Reha Sterbin)
[16:05:59] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) Counts for activity totals - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35391  (10Reha Sterbin)
[16:06:43] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Reedy; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/ConfirmEdit] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5223
[16:06:50] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: GWicke; "Delay some token duplication until actual mutation happens" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5239
[16:08:02] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: GWicke; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5239
[16:08:04] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: GWicke; [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5239
[16:10:43] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Kai Nissen; "(34753) Added label for captcha field shown in forms" [mediawiki/extensions/ConfirmEdit] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5223
[16:12:13] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) Helpfulness and unhelpfulness counts are not correct - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35390  (10Reha Sterbin)
[16:12:22] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) the message articlefeedbackv5-disable-flyover-help-location is poorly placed and not needed anyway - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35288  (10Reha Sterbin)
[16:13:51] <wikibugs>	 04(REOPENED) the message articlefeedbackv5-disable-flyover-help-location is poorly placed and not needed anyway - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35288  +comment (10Reha Sterbin)
[16:14:56] <wikibugs>	 14(INVALID) Help button not working - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34777  +comment (10Reha Sterbin)
[16:15:37] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) Missing argument warnings - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34164  (10Reha Sterbin)
[16:16:58] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) <title> is empty in the Sanskrit Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34938  (10Rob Lanphier)
[16:18:59] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) AFT5 Feedback Page 'Show more posts' - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34066  normal->15enhancement; +comment (10Reha Sterbin)
[16:21:01] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) i18n issues with ArticleFeedbackv5 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33697  (10Reha Sterbin)
[16:21:38] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Krinkle; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/Gadgets] (RL2); V: 0 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4342
[16:22:02] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Krinkle; "(manually Verify due to lack of bot in this repo)" [mediawiki/extensions/Gadgets] (RL2); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4342
[16:22:04] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Krinkle; [mediawiki/extensions/Gadgets] (RL2) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4342
[16:22:28] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) 'Learn to Edit' text link in CTA1 links to the wrong tutorial - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33155  +comment (10Reha Sterbin)
[16:22:46] <wikibugs>	 03(WONTFIX) Feedback form Option 2 has serious issues on IE7 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33129  +comment (10Reha Sterbin)
[16:25:46] <wikibugs>	 03(WONTFIX) Improve this page vertical link disappears after submitting feedback - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33074  (10Reha Sterbin)
[16:26:47] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) Article Feedback Page - Auto-hide message - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34091  (10Reha Sterbin)
[16:27:34] <wikibugs>	 03(WONTFIX) AFTv5 Feedback form Option 3 Ratings do not work on IE7 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/32939  +comment (10Reha Sterbin)
[16:33:26] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) enable revision.rev_sha1 on enwiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34104  (10Rob Lanphier)
[16:34:20] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) enable revision.rev_sha1 on enwiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34104  +comment (10Rob Lanphier)
[16:35:56] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) enable revision.rev_sha1 on enwiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34104  +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[16:37:24] <Reedy>	 robla: ^
[16:37:26] <Reedy>	 I'll just do it
[16:39:54] <Platonides>	 Reedy, does that need synchronization with the toolserver ?
[16:40:05] <Reedy>	 Shouldn't do
[16:40:15] <Reedy>	 The variable just meant MW wouldn't try to use it in enwiki
[16:42:40] <Platonides>	 the schema changes are already made?
[16:43:38] <Reedy>	 Yeah
[16:43:42] <Reedy>	 Hence the bug
[16:43:46] <Reedy>	 Enwiki took a lot longer
[16:43:54] <Reedy>	 so rather than delay the deploy, just limit the function
[16:44:35] <Platonides>	 I guess that means it will only get lazily-populated ?
[16:45:06] <Reedy>	 Yeah
[16:45:13] <Reedy>	 It's the same on every wiki
[16:45:21] <Reedy>	 We didn't run the populate scripts
[16:45:47] * robla  catches up

[16:46:04] <Reedy>	 It would be possible, it's not going to be quick ;)
[16:46:23] <robla>	 Reedy: if you haven't done it already, I'd recommend waiting until Aaron is around at least
[16:46:37] <robla>	 heh...nm
[16:47:05] <Reedy>	 I'm watching the dberror log
[16:49:49] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) enable revision.rev_sha1 on enwiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34104  +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[16:59:58] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Update of interwiki map database - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36068  +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[17:04:33] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Update of interwiki map database - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36068  +comment (10Chad H.)
[17:17:16] <kghbln>	 Heiya, short question: What was the maximum lenght of characters for a title of a wiki page (multibyte left aside)? Is it 255?
[17:17:33] <kghbln>	 Cannot find it on the wiki right now.
[17:18:56] <Reedy>	 page_title varchar(255) binary NOT NULL,
[17:19:29] <kghbln>	 Cool! Thank you very much for your help!
[17:20:02] <kghbln>	 I should have looked into the documentation of the tables right away. 
[17:21:26] <kghbln>	 Actually that's quite a lot and no user should be confronted with something like this :)
[17:22:54] <RoanKattouw>	 kghbln: It's 255 chars but that doesn't include the namespace prefix
[17:22:58] <Platonides>	 kghbln, plus whatever length has the namespace
[17:23:21] <RoanKattouw>	 So you can have "[255 chars]" or "Talk:[255 chars]" or "Thread discussion:[255 chars here]" or whatever
[17:24:49] <kghbln>	 RoanKattow Platonides Yeah, thank you for your information. I will have look at the docu and add it in case it is not already there.
[17:26:23] <kghbln>	 Yes of course, it is already documented in Manual:Page table! I would otherwise have been a bit susprised
[17:26:44] <kghbln>	 susprised - surprised
[17:28:59] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) consider modifying the command-line installer to read admin password and install db user password from files - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36069 enhancement; MediaWiki: Installation; (kacarstensen)
[17:30:48] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Unable to move a corrupt file on commons: [[:commons:File:Нева.jpg]] - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34934  (10Rob Lanphier)
[17:31:29] <codurr>	 03catrope * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/114955> 10/trunk/tools/mwmultiversion/multiversion/ (checkoutMediaWiki deleteMediaWiki): (log message trimmed)
[17:31:29] <codurr>	 Update checkoutMediawiki to create symlinks for the Great New URL Structure. Related to bug 31173 and bug 35939
[17:31:29] <codurr>	 The old structure looks like this:
[17:31:30] <codurr>	 bits.wm.o/skins-1.19 --> php-1.19/skins
[17:31:31] <codurr>	 bits.wm.o/w/extensions-1.19 -> php-1.19/extensions (note the /w)
[17:31:32] <codurr>	 bits.wm.o/resources-1.19 -> php-1.19 (points to the MW root, so resource paths look like bits.wm.o/resources-1.19/resources/blah.js)
[17:31:33] <codurr>	 The new structure cleans this up:
[17:32:05] <AaronSchulz>	 cleans up what? :p
[17:32:23] <^demon>	 RoanKattouw: We should move mwmultiversion, make-wmf-branch and make-release to git :)
[17:32:56] <RoanKattouw>	 Yes we should
[17:32:57] <codurr>	 03catrope * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/114956> 10/trunk/tools/mwmultiversion/multiversion/ (checkoutMediaWiki deleteMediaWiki): Update scripts for the new php-1.XXwmfX naming pattern
[17:33:03] <^demon>	 I already made mediawiki/tools/release for the latter 2.
[17:33:12] <^demon>	 But haven't copied them over yet.
[17:33:15] <RoanKattouw>	 OK
[17:37:31] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Krinkle; "Coding conventions anno 2012" [mediawiki/extensions/Gadgets] (RL2) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5242
[17:39:17] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Catrope; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/Gadgets] (RL2); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5242
[17:39:19] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Catrope; [mediawiki/extensions/Gadgets] (RL2) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5242
[17:41:41] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Reedy; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4628
[17:43:04] <Danny_B|backup>	 Reedy is like politicians... ;-)
[17:45:56] <^demon>	 Danny_B|backup: He flip flops?
[17:46:18] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Reedy; "CacheHelper: facilitate caching handling on a page" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4628
[17:46:39] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Reedy; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4628
[17:46:43] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Reedy; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4628
[17:47:08] <Reedy>	 Rebasing cause of messages.inc
[17:47:10] <Reedy>	 Rage
[17:47:38] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: jenkins-bot; "Build Successful " [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 1 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4628
[17:48:04] <Danny_B|backup>	 ^demon: "no comment" ;-)
[17:49:44] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Reedy; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3363
[17:49:47] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Reedy; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3363
[17:57:05] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Install extension:SubpageSortkey on wikibooks - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/22911  +comment (10Sumana Harihareswara)
[18:05:01] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) bnwikisource index table should show the page number in Bengali - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36070 normal; MediaWiki extensions: ProofreadPage; (bellayet)
[18:08:37] <sumanah>	 csteipp: you may enjoy skimming https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Platform_Engineering to see the most recent updates from various activities that your teammates are doing 
[18:09:43] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Daniel Friesen; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/core] (master) C: 1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5225
[18:09:54] <sumanah>	 whoops, wrong channel
[18:12:56] <Danny_B|backup>	 is there any eta when first version of wikieditor could be deployed on wmf wikis? i was trying to find out some development & deployment plan, but either it doesn't exist or i'm blind...
[18:14:14] <sumanah>	 Danny_B|backup: you mean the Visual Editor?
[18:14:25] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Brion VIBBER; "Disable dangerous \href and \style commands" [mediawiki/extensions/Math] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5243
[18:14:28] <sumanah>	 Danny_B|backup: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Visual_editor#Timeline
[18:16:40] <varnent>	 sumanah: are you sending emails via Malange to mentors?  for some reason their site still doesn't like my Gmail account (how is that possible? lol) - wanted to make sure I wasn't missing any from you  :)
[18:16:41] <Danny_B|backup>	 nothing more detailed and updated? (this mentions dec 2011 and if i didn't miss anything, the optin is not there yet...)
[18:17:29] <sumanah>	 Danny_B|backup: OK, I don't know any more than that - please try asking on the talk page, or via wikitext-l email
[18:17:33] <sumanah>	 sorry
[18:17:40] <sumanah>	 varnent: yes, I am sending mail via Melange to mentors
[18:18:06] <sumanah>	 I have also sent a few emails with the subject line "Please help score GSoC applications by Tuesday April 17th (need to cut several)"
[18:18:11] <Danny_B|backup>	 nvm, that's why i was asking here, assuming devs will know more. thanks anyway, sumanah 
[18:18:19] <sumanah>	 nod.
[18:18:29] <varnent>	 sumanah: hmm..I'll followup with Google on why I'm not getting them  :/
[18:18:34] <sumanah>	 thank you varnent 
[18:18:41] <sumanah>	 varnent: are you getting emails from the GSoC mentor mailing list?
[18:19:03] <varnent>	 sumanah: I checked all the settings and such in Melange - yeah - I'm getting all their Google Group based emails okay - just none from the Melange system
[18:19:12] <sumanah>	 varnent: that is exceeding odd.
[18:19:46] <varnent>	 sumanah: I know! if I was using my MobileMe account I'd be more understanding..but it's Google unable to email Google's own servers..
[18:21:02] <sumanah>	 varnent: the emails have subject lines like: [Wikimedia Foundation] Update by NAME to proposal: NAME OF PROPOSAL
[18:21:42] <sumanah>	 varnent: or [Wikimedia Foundation] New public review on NAME OF PROPOSAL (NAME OF COMMENTER)
[18:21:43] <varnent>	 sumanah: yeah - nothing like that anywhere - not even in Spam - I'll email one of the lists - maybe others having the same problems?
[18:21:54] <sumanah>	 varnent: yeah, email the mentors list or the melange-dev list
[18:22:34] <varnent>	 sumanah: sorry - thought all I was missing was notifications on submissions - not messages to our own team - argh *feels bad*
[18:22:59] <varnent>	 sumanah: that does explain why a couple of mentors were asking me questions from an email I was thinking "how did I miss that?"
[18:23:07] <sumanah>	 varnent: well, this explains why you haven't been talking that much :)
[18:23:21] <varnent>	 sumanah: lol - I'm never that quiet  :)
[18:23:43] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) bnwikisource index table should show the page number in Bengali - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36070  (10Beau)
[18:23:43] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Wikisource related bugs and enhancements (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35925  (10Beau)
[18:24:00] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) i18n issues with ArticleFeedbackv5 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33697  +comment (10Siebrand)
[18:24:20] <Amgine>	 Danny_B|Backup: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitext-l
[18:24:35] <Danny_B|backup>	 huh, another list
[18:24:42] <Danny_B|backup>	 thanks
[18:25:08] <Danny_B|backup>	 it will be my 15-20th wikimedia related list to follow
[18:25:18] <codurr>	 03kaldari * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/114957> 10/trunk/extensions/PageTriage/includes/PageTriageUtil.php: fixing fatal error bug - changing start() to begin()
[18:25:45] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) i18n issues with ArticleFeedbackv5 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33697  +comment (10Siebrand)
[18:27:28] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Robmoen; "Modify rangeChange event to save selection direction. Renamed Selection method to more suitable name. Misc cleanup" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5244
[18:33:11] <Nerd42>	 anybody might be able to help us get our web site back?
[18:33:21] <Nerd42>	 http://illogicopedia.org/ busted
[18:33:27] <Nerd42>	 api seems to work http://illogicopedia.org/api.php
[18:33:43] <RoanKattouw>	 (Cannot contact the database server: Unknown error (roberto))
[18:33:51] <Nerd42>	 exactly
[18:34:04] <Nerd42>	 any way we can get the site back by going through the API with a script?
[18:34:15] <RoanKattouw>	 But ... wtf
[18:34:16] <RoanKattouw>	 http://illogicopedia.org/api.php?action=query&titles=Main_Page&prop=revisions&rvprop=content works
[18:34:17] <Nerd42>	 cause i can't ever seem to get ahold of the guy who hosts it and we really need to find a new host
[18:34:49] <RoanKattouw>	 Why the hell would you get a DB error from index.php but not api.php, that makes no sense
[18:35:11] <Nerd42>	 welcome to wtfland
[18:35:22] <Nerd42>	 also known as Illogiland
[18:35:35] <Nerd42>	 not only does our site defy logic, so apparently do our server problems.
[18:38:01] <Nerd42>	 Anyway, my question is, is there a script that can go through the API and automatically reproduce the site for us?
[18:38:15] <Nerd42>	 ya know, grab all the data
[18:38:16] <varnent>	 argh - why does mailman software hate me so?
[18:38:47] <Eloquence>	 it's not just you. mailman is an equal opportunity hater
[18:39:29] <Nerd42>	 does anybody have a theory to answer that question? <RoanKattouw> Why the hell would you get a DB error from index.php but not api.php, that makes no sense
[18:39:30] <varnent>	 Eloquence: that's good to know - looked like you all had some fun trying to make the info pages cooperate - I'm close to scrapping it for an alternative - but they don't seem much better  :/
[18:41:06] <RoanKattouw>	 Nerd42: Oh, it looks like you have two database servers, roberto and sophia
[18:41:11] <RoanKattouw>	 roberto is down but sophia is up
[18:42:04] <Nerd42>	 interesting
[18:42:23] <Nerd42>	 i haven't been involved in the technical end of hosting this thing and so wouldn't know
[18:42:33] <Nerd42>	 can we grab our site away from just sophia ?
[18:42:45] <MaxSem>	 Nerd42, try http://tools.absurdopedia.net/dl/MediaWikiDumper-1.1.5.tar.bz2
[18:45:49] <RoanKattouw>	 Nerd42: You can change the database configuration in LocalSettings.php
[18:46:11] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) if Category has "&" in title causes DPL to fail to yeild results. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36071 normal; MediaWiki extensions: DynamicPageList2; (luckenbach)
[18:46:13] <Nerd42>	 ..... if we had direct access to the server
[18:46:50] <Nerd42>	 RoanKattouw, i don't control this server. the reason i'm asking about the API thing is because the guy who runs it hasn't reponded and may have been run over by a bus
[18:47:13] <RoanKattouw>	 Well without shell access to the server you can't do much to fix it
[18:47:18] <Nerd42>	 this is a perl script correct? so i'd need to get a perl interpreter to run it?
[18:47:37] <Nerd42>	 RoanKattouw, while we don't control the server, we DO control the domain name
[18:47:54] <Nerd42>	 want to grab the site's content, upload to a new server and point our domain to it. boom, site is back
[18:48:01] <RoanKattouw>	 That doesn't get you anywhere, you need to access the DB server
[18:48:10] <RoanKattouw>	 Presumably you also want the user table with user accounts and passwords and stuff
[18:48:14] <RoanKattouw>	 So you need to access the DB
[18:48:19] <RoanKattouw>	 Which you won't be able to do from the outside
[18:48:45] <Nerd42>	 RoanKattouw, we'd probably lose account data yes. but in case the server completely goes down in the next few weeks, i want the articles backed up just in case
[18:49:07] <Nerd42>	 this is last resort in case the server and the guy disappears and is never heard from again
[18:49:20] <Nerd42>	 anyway, perl interpreter to run this thing?
[18:51:02] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Install extension:SubpageSortkey on wikibooks - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/22911  +comment (10Rob Moen)
[18:58:50] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Robmoen; "Modify rangeChange event to save selection direction. Renamed Selection method to more suitable name. Misc cleanup Patchset 2, whitespace cleanup Change-Id: If9ecc721ace1c7550903170f92395947f1ccc22c" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5244
[18:59:05] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) bnwikisource index table should show the page number in Bengali - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36070  +comment (10enomil)
[18:59:52] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) HTML tags shouldn't be escaped before passing to MathJax - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36059  +comment (10Derk-Jan Hartman)
[19:02:15] <rmoen>	 !amend
[19:02:15] <mw-bot>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Git/Workflow#Amend_your_change
[19:04:58] <Joe____>	 Hello all.
[19:05:10] <MaxSem>	 hi
[19:05:13] <Joe____>	 I have a question about hooks.
[19:05:52] <Joe____>	 For example AuthPluginAutoCreate.  When and how does this hook get called if I create custom code for it?
[19:06:34] <MaxSem>	 have you tried grepping for its caller?
[19:07:39] <Joe____>	 MaxSem I know what file it is supposed to be called from (SpecialUserlogin.php.
[19:08:24] <Joe____>	 I am guessing that hooks are called when certain events happen?
[19:08:27] <MaxSem>	 ...and? try looking into it
[19:08:47] <Joe____>	 Well yea but I guess I don't really know what hooks are supposed to do.
[19:08:59] <Joe____>	 I have read the documentation in the hooks manual.
[19:09:30] <Joe____>	 I am coming here to kind of clarify when hooks are executed
[19:09:39] <Joe____>	 And how are they executed.
[19:10:07] <Joe____>	 Does that make sense MaxSem?
[19:10:15] <MaxSem>	 no
[19:10:23] <MaxSem>	 ;)
[19:10:35] <Joe____>	 Ok.  In a general sense when would a hook be called?
[19:10:53] <MaxSem>	 a quick tutorial:
[19:11:17] <Joe____>	 Sure.
[19:11:34] <MaxSem>	 1) you know the file that calls it. if not use grep/ack/file search
[19:11:45] <MaxSem>	 2) look inside the file
[19:11:51] <Joe____>	 Ok :)
[19:11:51] <MaxSem>	 what do we see?
[19:12:03] <MaxSem>	 if ( $isAutoCreated ) {
[19:12:03] <MaxSem>	                 // Must be run after $wgUser is set, for correct new user log
[19:12:03] <MaxSem>	                 wfRunHooks( 'AuthPluginAutoCreate', array( $u ) );
[19:12:25] <wikibugs>	 14(DUP) Merge CheckUser into core - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35653  +comment (10Lejonel)
[19:12:26] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Merge in CheckUser into core - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/32527  +comment (10Lejonel)
[19:12:57] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Invalid HTML for mobile - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36072 normal; Wikimedia Mobile: Content; (hartman)
[19:13:01] <MaxSem>	 what does $isAutoCreated mean?
[19:13:05] <MaxSem>	 looking......
[19:13:28] <MaxSem>	 okay, it's true if $this->attemptAutoCreate( $u ) succeded
[19:14:01] <MaxSem>	 function description: Attempt to automatically create a user on login. Only succeeds if there is an external authentication method which allows it.
[19:14:20] <MaxSem>	 so.... when it gets called?
[19:14:33] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Merge CheckUser into core - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35653  (10jdk370)
[19:15:00] <MaxSem>	 when user is successfully automatically created by auth plugin on login attempt
[19:15:03] <Joe____>	 It attempts to make a user login.  Which is the desired effect.
[19:16:00] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Image usage sets id instead of class - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36073 normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (hartman)
[19:16:49] <Joe____>	 I get where it is called now but how do I "spoof" the log in process to automatically call this on index.php page load?
[19:17:03] <Joe____>	 I appreciate the tutorial as well :)
[19:18:58] <MaxSem>	 see ApiLogin for example
[19:19:10] <Joe____>	 Thanks.
[19:20:36] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) error(s) following redlink to edit page, shown in IE7/web console - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36074 normal; MediaWiki: Page editing; (cmcmahon)
[19:21:26] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) error(s) following redlink to edit page, shown in IE7/web console - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36074  +comment (10Chris McMahon)
[19:21:33] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Remove asterisks around current language name in <language> navigation bar - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36075 normal; MediaWiki extensions: Translate; (krinklemail)
[19:27:55] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Odd session bugs in 1.20wmf1 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35900  +comment (10Roan Kattouw)
[19:28:56] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) 255 character system filename limit prevents generating thumbnails for files with long names - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36050  +comment (10Bawolff)
[19:31:02] <bawolff>	 Wow, commons is 10 years old... That makes me feel old...
[19:31:09] <Krinkle>	 haha
[19:31:25] <Krinkle>	 Yeah, and everything is getting back, both in good and bad ways
[19:32:45] <Krinkle>	 such as still having to deal with `oldimage` structure in the database, lack of patrolling/review ability for files. No queue system for requests for (un)deletion/review/(un)block/(un)protect. and so on...
[19:33:03] <Krinkle>	 but its still a big improvement over what it was without Commons and all of the above have open bugs and RFCs for them.
[19:33:58] <rgbc>	 Help!
[19:34:01] <rgbc>	 I need some help
[19:34:15] <Krinkle>	 !asjk
[19:34:16] <mw-bot>	 I don't know anything about "asjk".
[19:34:17] <Krinkle>	 !ask
[19:34:17] <mw-bot>	 Hi, how can we help you? Just ask your question.
[19:34:21] <Eloquence>	 it's 8 years actually .. not 2014 just yet
[19:34:31] <Eloquence>	 and hey, we have image annotation, uploadwizard and other fun stuff
[19:34:33] <rgbc>	 !ask
[19:34:34] <mw-bot>	 Hi, how can we help you? Just ask your question.
[19:34:47] <rgbc>	 I need help uploading files using IIS 7.5
[19:35:31] <varnent>	 Krinkle: any predictions on what new community tool we'll be celebrating ten years from now?  :)
[19:35:56] * varnent  would love to see a Commons style help/support system for MW wikis personally - Commons for help text rather than images

[19:36:15] <rgbc>	 hello?
[19:36:20] <bawolff>	 hi
[19:36:22] <Krinkle>	 Eloquence: Where upload wizard was (from some of the community members perspective) quite the opposite of what was needed. There is absolutely no shortage of uploads (although there is no doubt the proces of uploading was way too complicated and UploadWizard is awesome). Whereas there are dozens of huge backlogs that need streamlines workflows that users can participate in.
[19:36:43] <rgbc>	 i am using iis 7.5 but i just cannot open files i upload in mediawiki
[19:36:52] <varnent>	  rgbc: please remember to be patient  :)  the room is all volunteers who are engaged in many things at once - someone will help  :)
[19:36:58] <bawolff>	 Eloquence: hmm, there was something on commons-l that made me think we were approaching tenth birthday
[19:37:02] <Krinkle>	 I'm not pro or con, but I find the conversation interesting.
[19:37:02] <rgbc>	 ok
[19:37:07] <Krinkle>	 Hey indeed, Commons isn't 10 years old
[19:37:10] <Eloquence>	 bawolff, technically we are :)
[19:37:22] * Krinkle  reads old archives where Eloquence introduces Commons.

[19:37:34] <Eloquence>	 Krinkle, yes, patrolling tools are badly needed. it's in the roadmap provided I can get the funding for it
[19:37:37] <rgbc>	 it gives me an error 500 and i have already opened that folder to the world,
[19:37:49] <bawolff>	 !debug
[19:37:49] <mw-bot>	 For information on debugging (including viewing errors), see http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:How_to_debug . A list of related configuration variables is at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Configuration_settings#Debug.2Flogging
[19:37:51] <rgbc>	 the rest of my wiki works fine, even imports
[19:38:13] <bawolff>	 rgbc: 500 error = php fatal error. It'd be helpful to know the exact error message
[19:38:16] <varnent>	 rgbc: have you tried the items here: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Configuring_file_uploads
[19:38:24] <Krinkle>	 varnent: What do you mean by "a Commons for help text"
[19:38:25] <bawolff>	 the link mw-bot said should give you info on how to get php errors
[19:38:26] <rgbc>	 hang on
[19:38:28] <varnent>	 and the links that mw-bot just shared  :)
[19:39:12] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Text contained in the head element is displayed in Japanese old mobile phone - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35969  (10Tomasz Finc)
[19:39:25] <wikibugs>	 06(LATER) Remove asterisks around current language name in <language> navigation bar - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36075  +comment (10Siebrand)
[19:40:22] <varnent>	 Krinkle: well - imagine if you could enable a setting in LocalSettings that enabled a wiki to tap into a collective MediaWiki software help system that had the public domain help section (I imagine this would spark its growth) and in a perfect world a LQT like help system that fed to all participating wikis - sort of turn Help: into a Commons -esque area of WMF feeding common text to smaller WM wikis and 3rd party wikis
[19:40:45] <Krinkle>	 varnent: This shouldn't be on commons, this is what the Help namespace on mediawiki.org is for
[19:40:46] <Krinkle>	 there 
[19:41:06] <Krinkle>	 there is a proposal somewhere on mw.org about how one could set that as a repository into any wiki
[19:41:12] <varnent>	 well sure - but it would be great if Wikis could just enable a live feed of MW.org's help section to their actual wiki
[19:41:20] <Krinkle>	 so that the Help_namespace fallback to mw.org, just like Files do to Commons
[19:41:29] <varnent>	 exactly
[19:41:41] <varnent>	 and then - longterm - build in a type of "help" system into that
[19:41:58] <Krinkle>	 Yeah, so by "a commons for x" you mean a repository :) 
[19:42:00] <rgbc>	 HTTP Error 401.3 - Unauthorized
[19:42:01] <rgbc>	 no
[19:42:05] <rgbc>	 it still doesnt work
[19:42:13] <rgbc>	 not http 500, my bad
[19:42:16] <varnent>	 yes - :)
[19:42:51] <varnent>	 template repository would also be nice - but personally I'd prefer help: first
[19:42:56] <Krinkle>	 varnent: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Project:PD_help/export#Foreign.2FRemoteHelp
[19:43:17] <rgbc>	 HTTP Error 401.3 - Unauthorized this is what it says, it mentions somethin about ACL but i dont get it, i am very new to the realm of servers etc
[19:43:28] <Eloquence>	 Krinkle, speaking of commons, you will have my undying admiration if you poke through some of the pending uploadwizard revs, including mine :)
[19:43:28] <bawolff>	 Krinkle: Wasn't that the main selling point of interwiki transclusions gsoc thingy from last year
[19:43:56] <bawolff>	 rgbc: Unauthorized would be a weird error to get
[19:44:02] <Krinkle>	 Eloquence: I have to admit, I know little to nothing about UploadWizard internals. I wouldn't feel comfortable about reviewing non-trivial revs.
[19:44:05] <rgbc>	 any ideas?
[19:44:09] <Krinkle>	 I'd have to "dive" into whats going on there first
[19:44:18] <rgbc>	 if i manually unprotect the folder in /images/ 
[19:44:26] <bawolff>	 rgbc: It means incorrect password (but using http password scheme, which isn't something used by mediawiki)
[19:44:29] <rgbc>	 it works
[19:44:36] <rgbc>	 but not if you just upload the file
[19:44:39] <rgbc>	 wait
[19:44:45] <Krinkle>	 bawolff: I certainly hope not, as implementing Help repo doesn't sound like a good use of iw transclusion at all to me
[19:44:47] <varnent>	 Krinkle: I think that proposal is the logical first step to a large MW.org (or wherever) based "help" system for smaller and 3rd party wikis
[19:44:57] <rgbc>	 would it do to change the drive of my site to my D drive?
[19:45:02] <Eloquence>	 Krinkle, fair enough. if you can let me know if there are any obvious code quality issues in https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#change,4987 , I'd appreciate it anyway
[19:45:11] <varnent>	 I use iw transclusion plenty - but I'm not sure I'd do it with a help repo
[19:45:15] <Krinkle>	 I'll take a look, Eloquence :)
[19:45:35] <bawolff>	 Krinkle: Well same thing really - rendering pages from foreign wikis locally
[19:46:11] <Krinkle>	 bawolff: well, no. That's where it already clashes with (what I think) is what Help repo would be like
[19:46:28] <Krinkle>	 for one, it shouldn't require the local wiki to have all the fancy extensions and image repos configured that mw.org has
[19:46:42] <Krinkle>	 secondly, it would have to be at a much lower level than wiki pages work
[19:47:03] <Krinkle>	 blue/red link for example, and not as transclusion
[19:47:10] <bawolff>	 by the same token, I don't think interwiki transclusions should (in theory) require the local wiki to have fancy extensions/image repos
[19:47:40] <Krinkle>	 right
[19:47:47] <rgbc>	 ok...
[19:47:52] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: L10n-bot; "Localisation updates from http://translatewiki.net." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5248
[19:47:56] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: gerrit2; "Auto-approving/merging l10n updates" [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5248
[19:47:56] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: gerrit2; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5248
[19:48:16] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Track listing table in unreadable for [[en:Celebrity_Skin]] - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36076 normal; MediaWiki extensions: MobileFrontend; (tfinc)
[19:48:40] <varnent>	 we've had success with interwiki tranclusion from a few different MW style wikis at WQ - the main problem was actually the templates and support wiki pages - image repo and such wasn't a huge hassle since a person with the skillsets to do the actual iw db table modifications was involved anyway
[19:48:57] <Krinkle>	 bawolff: and while at it, I'll throw out there that I think Interlanguage extensions is redundant with iw-transclusion. I'd personally much rather prefer transcluding freeform wikitext then only inheriting language-links. so that things like inter*project* or {{FA}} templates can be trancluded simultaneously
[19:49:00] <wikibugs>	 14(DUP) Invalid HTML for mobile - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36072  +comment (10enomil)
[19:49:00] <Krinkle>	 alte
[19:49:01] <Krinkle>	 rna
[19:49:06] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Empty XHTML tag br in mobile view - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36018  +comment (10enomil)
[19:49:10] <rgbc>	 hello? :)
[19:49:11] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: jenkins-bot; "Build Successful " [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 1 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5248
[19:49:11] <Krinkle>	 alternatively, it could be better if those were standardized as well
[19:49:12] <Krinkle>	 in wh
[19:49:22] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Track listing table in unreadable for [[en:Celebrity_Skin]] - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36076  +comment (10Tomasz Finc)
[19:49:31] <rgbc>	 !ask
[19:49:31] <mw-bot>	 Hi, how can we help you? Just ask your question.
[19:49:41] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Track listing table in unreadable for [[en:Celebrity_Skin]] - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36076  +comment (10Chad H.)
[19:49:43] <varnent>	 and wikis like OpenCongress had some customized extensions that were a pain to duplicate - but for something like a help repo - I imagine the host wiki would be using as few templates as possible and no extension for that specific task
[19:49:47] <Krinkle>	 in which case we wouldn't need freeform tranclusion
[19:49:49] <rgbc>	 so will moving my wiki onto my d drive solve the error?
[19:49:57] <rgbc>	 how do i do it safely?
[19:50:34] <varnent>	 rgbc: I'm afraid I'm not running or familiar with an IIS config - so I'm not much help here  :(
[19:50:40] <bawolff>	 rgbc: It sounds odd to me that would fix the problem, but I'm not a windows person so i don't really know
[19:50:51] <rgbc>	 hmmm...
[19:50:55] <rgbc>	 i'll try
[19:51:01] <varnent>	 backup first  :)
[19:51:16] * varnent  pets his backup hard drives

[19:51:17] <rgbc>	 can i simply copy my database?
[19:51:27] <rgbc>	 i will 
[19:51:36] <rgbc>	 thanks for your time
[19:52:24] <varnent>	 rgbc: you can also try posting your question on the MW.org wiki
[19:52:35] <rgbc>	 okay
[19:52:37] <varnent>	 rgbc: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Project:Support_desk
[19:52:43] <rgbc>	 if it doesnt work i will
[19:52:45] <rgbc>	 thank you
[19:52:55] <varnent>	 wow - Dick Clark died  :(
[19:53:06] <^demon>	 Oh shit, really?
[19:53:20] <varnent>	 just got a media alert about it  :(
[19:53:21] <bawolff>	 To be honest, I doubt there's all that many people who know iis on the support desk either
[19:53:24] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Long search terms line wrap over ui elements should scroll instead - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36077 normal; Wikipedia App: Search; (tfinc)
[19:53:33] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Add support for the Shoshoni language in MediaWiki (lang=shh) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36054  +comment (10Amqui)
[19:53:41] <^demon>	 s/on the support desk//
[19:53:43] <^demon>	 bawolff: ^
[19:54:01] <bawolff>	 lol, that too
[19:56:35] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Inline styles in wikitext cause problems on mobile site - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35704  +comment (10Jon)
[19:57:34] <Nikerabbit>	 gerrit-wm: nice and quiet today? :)
[19:58:36] * varnent  goes back to dreaming about the help repo and other fun ideas for the future..

[19:59:57] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Template:Track_listing in unreadable on mobile view - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36076  summary; +comment (10Jon)
[20:01:45] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Template:Track_listing in unreadable on mobile view - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36076  +comment (10Chad H.)
[20:05:00] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Inline styles in wikitext cause problems on mobile site - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35704  +comment (10Jon)
[20:05:06] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) Test that clicktracking is collecting the data we need - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/32992  +comment (10Reha Sterbin)
[20:15:32] <Carlangas>	 Hello. I've searched forum, wiki, Google... and can't find an answer. Is there a way to insert custom HTML inside Sidebar, between navigation and toolbox, while using vector skin?. Thanks in advance.
[20:16:28] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Reha Sterbin; "Drop the feedback link for the option 4 fallback" [mediawiki/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5249
[20:18:01] <aharoni>	 Is there anybody who is the MediaWiki Git czar? https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Git/Workflow is a real mess.
[20:19:02] <aharoni>	 That is supposed to be the most important page for anybody who works with the code,
[20:19:25] <aharoni>	 but it's very messy and time after time i discover that people don't actually use it and instead use whatever tricks they learned on IRC.
[20:20:37] <^demon>	 {{sofixit}} Improving docs is an ongoing process.
[20:20:47] <^demon>	 I never expected the docs to be perfect from day 1.
[20:22:49] <aharoni>	 i am trying to fix it (see the history and the talk page), but i'm very far being an expert.
[20:22:52] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: L10n-bot; "Localisation updates from http://translatewiki.net." [mediawiki/extensions/AbuseFilter] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5250
[20:22:55] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: gerrit2; "Auto-approving/merging l10n updates" [mediawiki/extensions/AbuseFilter] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5250
[20:22:55] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: gerrit2; [mediawiki/extensions/AbuseFilter] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5250
[20:22:58] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: L10n-bot; "Localisation updates from http://translatewiki.net." [mediawiki/extensions/AntiSpoof] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5251
[20:23:02] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: gerrit2; "Auto-approving/merging l10n updates" [mediawiki/extensions/AntiSpoof] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5251
[20:23:02] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: gerrit2; [mediawiki/extensions/AntiSpoof] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5251
[20:23:04] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: L10n-bot; "Localisation updates from http://translatewiki.net." [mediawiki/extensions/ApiSandbox] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5252
[20:23:08] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: gerrit2; "Auto-approving/merging l10n updates" [mediawiki/extensions/ApiSandbox] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5252
[20:23:08] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: gerrit2; [mediawiki/extensions/ApiSandbox] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5252
[20:23:11] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: L10n-bot; "Localisation updates from http://translatewiki.net." [mediawiki/extensions/ArticleFeedback] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5253
[20:23:14] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: gerrit2; "Auto-approving/merging l10n updates" [mediawiki/extensions/ArticleFeedback] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5253
[20:23:15] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: gerrit2; [mediawiki/extensions/ArticleFeedback] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5253
[20:23:18] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: L10n-bot; "Localisation updates from http://translatewiki.net." [mediawiki/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5254
[20:23:22] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: gerrit2; "Auto-approving/merging l10n updates" [mediawiki/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5254
[20:23:22] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: gerrit2; [mediawiki/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5254
[20:23:25] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: L10n-bot; "Localisation updates from http://translatewiki.net." [mediawiki/extensions/Babel] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5255
[20:23:29] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: gerrit2; "Auto-approving/merging l10n updates" [mediawiki/extensions/Babel] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5255
[20:23:29] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: gerrit2; [mediawiki/extensions/Babel] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5255
[20:23:32] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: L10n-bot; "Localisation updates from http://translatewiki.net." [mediawiki/extensions/CategoryTree] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5256
[20:23:35] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: gerrit2; "Auto-approving/merging l10n updates" [mediawiki/extensions/CategoryTree] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5256
[20:23:35] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: gerrit2; [mediawiki/extensions/CategoryTree] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5256
[20:23:39] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: L10n-bot; "Localisation updates from http://translatewiki.net." [mediawiki/extensions/CentralAuth] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5257
[20:23:42] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: gerrit2; "Auto-approving/merging l10n updates" [mediawiki/extensions/CentralAuth] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5257
[20:23:43] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: gerrit2; [mediawiki/extensions/CentralAuth] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5257
[20:23:46] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: L10n-bot; "Localisation updates from http://translatewiki.net." [mediawiki/extensions/CentralNotice] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5258
[20:23:50] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: gerrit2; "Auto-approving/merging l10n updates" [mediawiki/extensions/CentralNotice] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5258
[20:23:50] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: gerrit2; [mediawiki/extensions/CentralNotice] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5258
[20:23:53] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: L10n-bot; "Localisation updates from http://translatewiki.net." [mediawiki/extensions/CodeReview] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5259
[20:24:03] <Nikerabbit>	 yay
[20:24:08] <varnent>	 ahoaroni: I anticipate that like all docs on mw.org - it will develop and the tips from irc will make there way there over time - seems to be how all "new" MW things go - but I don't think you'll have too much success recruiting a czar to overhaul it entirely
[20:25:38] <aharoni>	 it's a huge problem. it's not just some API call or a feature description. it's the most basic and important document that all devs must use many times a day.
[20:25:40] <varnent>	 ahoaroni: sumanah helped with some of the initial content - although I'm not sure negative language about it will work in recruiting her to help with some areas you'd like particular help with
[20:26:19] <varnent>	 aharoni: yes - but that's only been a reality for less than a month
[20:27:45] <varnent>	 aharoni: although I'm not sure I'd personally agree with your assessment - the page has been helpful to me on numerous occasions and it's not a page I spend as much time on as others
[20:28:24] <Krenair>	 I don't really know how L10n-bot works, but can it be set up to +q gerrit-wm on IRC automatically?
[20:29:07] <codurr>	 03raymond * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/114958> 10/trunk/extensions/ (18 files in 18 dirs): Localisation updates from http://translatewiki.net.
[20:29:16] <aharoni>	 devs are not supposed to read several times a day; they are supposed to run commands listed there several times a day.
[20:29:31] <^demon>	 Krenair: No, we're going to change the hooks to just not notify IRC on L10n-bot, rather than having to +q the bot every time.
[20:29:38] <ToAruShiroiNeko>	 how can I determine if a template is transcluded stwice?
[20:29:40] <ToAruShiroiNeko>	 *twice
[20:29:47] <varnent>	 aharoni: fair point
[20:29:57] <Krenair>	 ah
[20:30:31] <aharoni>	 i did that for a while and then my repo became messy - just from using what that page said. (i know too little about Git to ruin it myself.)
[20:30:40] <^demon>	 I'm not sure why anyone expects the Git docs to be perfect. We certainly didn't get the SVN docs into the state they were overnight. It's a process.
[20:31:00] <^demon>	 If there's specific things that are wrong or could be expanded on, do so or suggest on the talkpage.
[20:31:18] <vvv>	 git docs are awesome
[20:31:43] <vvv>	 I did not check gerrit docs, but I expect them to be just as awful as gerrit itself
[20:31:46] <varnent>	 aharoni: can you explain on the talk page how your repo became messy?  were there specific commands that caused problem - like review?
[20:32:06] <aharoni>	 `git pull origin master'.
[20:32:12] <aharoni>	 that very basic command.
[20:32:40] <aharoni>	 apparently, it should have been done with '--rebase'. i fixed that, according to hashar's suggestion.
[20:33:14] <varnent>	 cool - so you were able to fix that problem - were there others still lingering?
[20:33:26] <aharoni>	 maybe there are others lingering.
[20:33:44] <aharoni>	 that's why someone knowledgeabe should read it over.
[20:33:56] <varnent>	 to my knowledge that happens regularly
[20:33:56] <varnent>	 b
[20:34:06] <varnent>	 but that doesn't mean little things don't slip through here and there
[20:34:25] <varnent>	 a number of folks have also duplicated the steps on the page to try and find errors in it - it's a process
[20:34:47] <varnent>	 there were some Google Hangouts to help find those errors early on as well
[20:35:01] <varnent>	 I do apologize that the annoying one you mentioned slipped through that process  :(
[20:35:33] <RoanKattouw>	 aharoni: Then probably you weren't using feature branches like you should have
[20:36:00] <RoanKattouw>	 aharoni: You should not commit anything directly to master. Instead, make master just track the remote master branch, and do your development in branches
[20:36:32] <RoanKattouw>	 If you do have stuff in your local master branch that's not in the remote master branch, and then you pull, then it will merge those two together and that'll confuse Gerrit
[20:36:52] <aharoni>	 RoanKattouw: i was using feature branches and i didn't commit to master. Hashar said that my master got messed up because i used `git pull origin master' rather than `git pull --rebase origin master'.
[20:37:07] <RoanKattouw>	 That sounds unlikely
[20:37:11] <RoanKattouw>	 You should not need --rebsae
[20:37:12] <RoanKattouw>	 *--rebase
[20:37:21] <RoanKattouw>	 That is, IF you kept your master branch clean
[20:37:37] <RoanKattouw>	 Were you on the master branch when you ran that command? Cause if you were on a feature branch at the time, it'd still get messed up
[20:38:57] <aharoni>	 i run that on the master branch.
[20:39:08] <RoanKattouw>	 Then that should have been fine
[20:39:21] <RoanKattouw>	 Hmm let's do a quick tset
[20:39:36] <RoanKattouw>	 When you run git log -1 master , what do you see?
[20:40:12] <aharoni>	 commit a65aba48ecb4066a4381cfa7dea7b8ecec2c082e and its commit message.
[20:40:23] <Joe____>	 MaxSem: Thanks for the help earlier with hooks.  I just got what I was trying to do working.  It has been a long process and thanks to anyone who tried to point me in the right direction.  I am a very slow learner.
[20:40:27] <aharoni>	 it's mine.
[20:41:16] <aharoni>	 and that is probably not a regular commit the way i usually do them, but something that hashar helped me to do.
[20:42:53] <RoanKattouw>	 aharoni: Aha, then your master is messed up probably
[20:43:44] <RoanKattouw>	 In the sense that it contains your own commits
[20:43:50] <RoanKattouw>	 You should fix that
[20:44:14] <RoanKattouw>	 Run 'git branch rescue' so you don't lose your commit, then run 'git reset --hard origin/master' to reset your master branch to the one from Gerrit
[20:44:18] <aharoni>	 yeah, and i know that it shouldn't happen.
[20:44:56] <aharoni>	 i don't think that i'll lose - it's submitted for review at https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#change,5231
[20:45:00] <RoanKattouw>	 Oh OK
[20:45:02] <RoanKattouw>	 Then you won't lose it
[20:45:06] <RoanKattouw>	 Just reset your master then
[20:48:17] <aharoni>	 `git reset' is one of the commands that i never really understood
[20:48:35] <RoanKattouw>	 You know a branch is really just a pointer to a commit?
[20:48:47] <aharoni>	 yes
[20:48:51] * vvv  thought git reset hard works only for uncommited changes. Wow

[20:48:56] <RoanKattouw>	 It's like a tag except it advances when you commit and stuff
[20:48:57] <RoanKattouw>	 Right
[20:49:03] <Krinkle>	 `git reset` is what sets files that were prepared to be committed ("staged") back into the working copy ("upstage")
[20:49:07] <Krinkle>	 unstage*
[20:49:08] <RoanKattouw>	 So git reset allows you to take that pointer and move it *wherever you want*
[20:49:22] <RoanKattouw>	 and update the working tree accordingly of course
[20:49:32] <Krinkle>	 and it has lots of more features, which makes 'reset' confusing yeah
[20:49:35] <aharoni>	 the opposite of `git add'?
[20:49:42] <RoanKattouw>	 Well, sort of
[20:49:58] <Krinkle>	 it can do more then just reverse of add, but part of it is that.
[20:50:10] <RoanKattouw>	 git reset moves the current branch pointer somewhere, and then updates the working tree in various ways depending on whether you use --soft, --mixed or --hard
[20:50:44] <Krinkle>	 and if you use none of the --soft/hard/mixed options then it is just the opposite of 'git add'
[20:51:02] <RoanKattouw>	 One of the (ab)uses of git reset is to reset the branch pointer to where it already is, and if you use --mixed (default) then that will effectively un-add something yeah
[20:51:15] * Krinkle  learned something today

[20:51:15] <ToAruShiroiNeko>	 how can I determine if a template is transcluded twice or more. I want to generate an error if duplication exists
[20:51:16] <RoanKattouw>	 A null reset essentially
[20:51:20] <aharoni>	 so what's the difference between reset and checkout?
[20:51:38] <aharoni>	 because it sounds similar.
[20:51:58] <Krinkle>	 reset is between the staged working copy and the working copy, checkout is between the repository and the working copy.
[20:52:39] <Krinkle>	 so if you edit a file, then `git add`. If you do `git reset` the file will still be modified on the hard drive, but not staged (added) to the commit. If you use 'checkout' it would retrieve a fresh version of that file from the repository and the local changes are gone.
[20:52:54] <RoanKattouw>	 aharoni: checkout switches to a different branch, so it doesn't move any branch pointer, it updates which branch is current. reset stays on the same branch, but moves its pointer somewhere
[20:53:15] <Krinkle>	 RoanKattouw: I think aharoni is referring to the use of `git checkout` with a file path argument
[20:53:16] <RoanKattouw>	 And yes the fact that checkout and reset are also used for un-adding files makes this confusing
[20:53:31] <Krinkle>	 the multi-use of git commands is somewhat confusing
[20:54:21] <Krinkle>	 RoanKattouw: What's the status on Gadgets?
[20:58:20] <RoanKattouw>	 Krinkle: Working on fixing that merge commit for Salvatore's branch. But I'll take a break from that and implement the skin and top properties now
[20:59:13] <Krinkle>	 okay
[21:02:05] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: GKarunakar; "Implementing Logging to Special:Log for v1.19 in Renameuser extension. This change removes old logging method (pre 1.19)." [mediawiki/extensions/Renameuser] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5288
[21:09:15] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Krinkle; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5205
[21:10:51] <codurr>	 New code comment: Aaron Schulz; The delete script won't work since it only deletes symlinks, not dirs. It should have the symlink li; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/114955#c32701>
[21:13:47] <codurr>	 New code comment: Aaron Schulz; Regex doesn't match that of checkoutMediaWiki.; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/114956#c32702>
[21:14:37] <AaronSchulz>	 RoanKattouw: ^
[21:15:54] <codurr>	 03catrope * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/114959> 10/trunk/tools/mwmultiversion/multiversion/deleteMediaWiki: Followup r114956: make the regexes consistent between checkoutMediawiki and deleteMediawiki
[21:18:23] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Trevor Parscal; "(bug 36047) Adds an HD style sheet for the Vector skin which is activated by a media query" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5205
[21:19:43] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: jenkins-bot; "Build Successful " [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 1 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5205
[21:23:55] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Krinkle; "Looks great :) A few minor points inline though." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5205
[21:28:02] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Demon; "Commit summary needs wrapping per guidelines." [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5205
[21:28:54] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: GKarunakar; "In $logEntry->setComment( $reason );" [mediawiki/extensions/Renameuser] (master) C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5288
[21:32:16] <varnent>	 ^demon: see #wm2012 channel for an idea on who you could bring as a companion to Wikimania
[21:39:02] <ToAruShiroiNeko>	 I have a question. : means a single level indentation
[21:39:25] <ToAruShiroiNeko>	 is there a way to have a zaro level indentation
[21:39:43] <raks>	 i'm trying to install an extension
[21:39:50] <raks>	 and having a lot of issues
[21:40:02] <ToAruShiroiNeko>	 this is needed to have lists that do not need indentation
[21:40:08] <raks>	 I'm following the instrauctions for FlaggedRevs
[21:40:27] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Krinkle; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/UploadWizard] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4987
[21:40:28] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Trevor Parscal; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5205
[21:40:47] <raks>	 http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:FlaggedRevs
[21:41:16] <raks>	 it mentions scripts in /maintenance that I don't have
[21:41:30] <raks>	 such as updateStats.php
[21:42:01] <Krinkle>	 raks: don't have, where?
[21:42:15] <raks>	 in the maintenance dir
[21:42:15] <Krinkle>	 in mediawiki/maintenance or in extensions/FlaggedRevs/maintenance ?
[21:42:20] <Krinkle>	 it is in extensions/FlaggedRevs/maintenance
[21:42:23] <raks>	 oh crap
[21:42:26] <Krinkle>	 :)
[21:42:30] <raks>	 thanks
[21:42:34] <raks>	 duh
[21:42:34] <Krinkle>	 np
[21:42:41] <Krinkle>	 it's easy to miss
[21:43:20] <raks>	 does anyone know if FlaggedRevs is the best extension for managing edits?
[21:44:35] <Krinkle>	 raks: depends entirely on what you want
[21:44:51] <Krinkle>	 it is good at what it does, no more no less
[21:45:11] <Krinkle>	 try it, like it, keep it (or not) :)
[21:45:14] <raks>	 Krinkle: I have a group of people who want to create content but have it reviewed
[21:45:31] <raks>	 Krinkle: before final public publication
[21:45:39] <raks>	 Krinkle: if you see what i mean
[21:46:04] <Krinkle>	 I see what you mean, but although it seems generic what you say, it is very specific. There are many ways to do 'review' FlaggedRevs is one of the ways
[21:46:27] <raks>	 Krinkle: if you know of others I can go investigate
[21:46:30] <Krinkle>	 I will tell you this: it wasn't designed (afaik) for an environment where a small group of people review before final publication
[21:46:50] <Krinkle>	 it was more designed to prevent vandalism by protecting articles against direct edits and put them in a queue, 
[21:47:10] <Krinkle>	 and also as a way of assessing the quality of articles on a scale of 1-4 (unsighted, sighted, quality, .. and some other)
[21:47:25] <raks>	 Krinkle: all useful though
[21:47:33] <Krinkle>	 raks: Just give it a try and see how it goes
[21:47:42] <raks>	 Krinkle: will do, thanks
[21:47:46] <Krinkle>	 make it a group experiment, get everybody involved :)
[21:49:13] <AaronSchulz>	 Krinkle: "pristine" :p
[21:52:00] <Krinkle>	 AaronSchulz: gotcha
[21:52:28] <p858snake|l>	 raks: ApprovedRevs is another
[21:52:38] <raks>	 p858snake|l: thanks
[21:52:39] <p858snake|l>	 although i'm not sure what its current state is like
[21:53:53] <raks>	 p858snake|l: seems there was an update early this month
[21:55:19] <satdav>	 hi guys can anyone tell me what version wiki.mozilla.org is running
[21:55:39] <domas>	 satdav: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Special:Version
[21:55:50] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Tokens-API should be a query module - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36078 normal; MediaWiki: API; (a.d.bergi)
[21:57:40] <satdav>	 do you know domas is their security bugs on version 1.17.1
[21:57:52] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Tokens-API should be a query module - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36078  (10Bergi)
[21:58:24] <raks>	 is there a way to see similar extensions?
[21:58:28] <domas>	 uh oh
[21:58:35] <raks>	 FlaggedRevs, ApprovedRevs?
[21:59:02] <satdav>	 and whats the addons it runs as would be good to see the extensions it runs
[22:01:08] <sumanah>	 satdav: have you considered looking at the link that you were just provided?
[22:01:14] <sumanah>	 :)
[22:02:07] <^demon>	 satdav: Yes, 1.17.1 does have security issues, we've released 1.17.2 and 1.17.3 security releases since then.
[22:02:16] <satdav>	 I am on their
[22:02:32] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) 1.19/1.20 wgResourceBasePath hack for accessing resourceloader /w/resources/ problems - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35939  +comment (10Krinkle)
[22:04:37] <satdav>	 cool they are updating it but going through their managers and security team
[22:05:41] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) 1.19/1.20 wgResourceBasePath hack for accessing resourceloader /w/resources/ problems - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35939  +comment (10Krinkle)
[22:07:22] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Brion VIBBER; "Not sure I understand the "HD" terminology here?" [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5205
[22:09:03] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) refreshWikiversionsCDB should fail if invalid version is specified in wikiversions.dat - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36079 normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (robla)
[22:09:36] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) refreshWikiversionsCDB should fail if invalid version is specified in wikiversions.dat - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36079  normal->15enhancement (10Rob Lanphier)
[22:10:01] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Trevor Parscal; "I'm open to whatever naming you prefer, it's just High Definition. HD a pretty common abbreviation f..." [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5205
[22:10:13] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Demon; "Setting back to 0 because -1 was mean." [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5205
[22:13:27] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Need icon to signify 'no Network connection' - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36008  +comment (10Heather Walls)
[22:13:56] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Need icon to signify 'no Network connection' - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36008  +comment (10Heather Walls)
[22:15:40] <ToAruShiroiNeko>	 how can I determine if a template is transcluded more than once on a spesific page?
[22:15:52] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Need icon to signify 'no Network connection' - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36008  +comment (10Brion Vibber)
[22:16:13] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Update of interwiki map database - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36068  +comment (10billinghurst)
[22:17:29] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) refreshWikiversionsCDB should fail if invalid version is specified in wikiversions.dat - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36079   +platformeng (10Rob Lanphier)
[22:20:12] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Trevor Parscal; "(bug 36047) Adds a high definition (HD) style sheet for the Vector skin which is activated by a media query" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5205
[22:20:35] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Brion VIBBER; "I'd recommend avoiding 'HD' as it may be misinterpreted as referring to a stylesheet for high-densit..." [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5205
[22:21:31] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: jenkins-bot; "Build Successful " [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 1 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5205
[22:24:22] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Trevor Parscal; "(bug 36047) Adds high definition (HD) CSS for the Vector skin" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5205
[22:25:44] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: jenkins-bot; "Build Successful " [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 1 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5205
[22:28:37] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Kaldari; "Commit summary is impeccable." [mediawiki/core] (master) C: 1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5205
[22:29:28] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Trevor Parscal; "The HD thing was originally on purpose, because HD means 1280x720 (high definition video resolution,..." [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5205
[22:33:35] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) enable revision.rev_sha1 on enwiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34104  +comment (10MZMcBride)
[22:35:45] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) ParserAfterTidy-Hook gives wrong value - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36080 normal; MediaWiki: Parser; (desertwolf)
[22:42:08] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Brion VIBBER; "I like it, but I'd recommend a couple tweaks:" [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4797
[22:42:16] <Krinkle>	 ToAruShiroiNeko: Not possible unless you pass an actual number around from the host page to the template
[22:42:24] <Krinkle>	 ToAruShiroiNeko: Why do you want to do that, what is the bigger picture?
[22:42:57] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Catrope; "First stab at adding the 'skins' and 'position' properties" [mediawiki/extensions/Gadgets] (RL2) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5290
[22:43:02] <RoanKattouw>	 Krinkle: ---^^
[22:43:26] <Krinkle>	 ok
[22:43:26] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Catrope; "Draft, do not merge" [mediawiki/extensions/Gadgets] (RL2); V: 0 C: -2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5290
[22:44:04] <RoanKattouw>	 Hmm
[22:44:07] <RoanKattouw>	 Apr 18 22:24:01 10.0.11.2 apache2[22810]: PHP Warning:  Illegal offset type in isset or empty in /usr/local/apache/common-local/php-1.20wmf1/extensions/cldr/LanguageNames.body.php on line 86
[22:44:08] <RoanKattouw>	 Apr 18 22:24:01 10.0.11.2 apache2[22810]: PHP Warning:  Illegal offset type in /usr/local/apache/common-local/php-1.20wmf1/extensions/cldr/LanguageNames.body.php on line 90
[22:44:10] <RoanKattouw>	 Apr 18 22:24:01 10.0.11.2 apache2[22810]: PHP Warning:  preg_match() expects parameter 2 to be string, object given in /usr/local/apache/common-local/php-1.20wmf1/languages/Language.php on line 232
[22:44:23] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Brion VIBBER; "Unknown elements should probably be ignored rather than stuck in the structure." [mediawiki/extensions/OAI] (master); V: 0 C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5230
[22:52:20] <ToAruShiroiNeko>	 Krinkle I want to find if a certain template is used multiple times on pages
[22:52:46] <ToAruShiroiNeko>	 I am trying to keep track of http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Assessments 's uses
[22:53:00] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Brion VIBBER; "Can you provide an example page title where the display is incorrect without the dir marks?" [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5231
[22:53:09] <Krinkle>	 ToAruShiroiNeko: That's not the bigger picture
[22:53:17] <Krinkle>	 ToAruShiroiNeko: Okay, that's the bigger picture :)
[22:53:31] <ToAruShiroiNeko>	 :D
[22:53:46] <Krinkle>	 ToAruShiroiNeko: Still though, why do you need to detect multiple transclusions?
[22:53:59] <ToAruShiroiNeko>	 the thing is template should really be used once
[22:54:01] <Krinkle>	 usage itself is tracked with WhatLInksHere and the hidden category
[22:54:23] <ToAruShiroiNeko>	 right but that only shows it once
[22:54:23] <ToAruShiroiNeko>	 http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:Mexico-Popocatepetl.jpg&diff=prev&oldid=69984998
[22:54:31] <ToAruShiroiNeko>	 I want to detect and fix issues like the example
[22:54:34] <Krinkle>	 ToAruShiroiNeko: There is no way of knowing whether it is used multiple times in a list generated way
[22:54:56] <Krinkle>	 ToAruShiroiNeko: I think the only usable solution is to use a bot to iterate a recent revision-dump of commonswiki
[22:55:17] <ToAruShiroiNeko>	 yes but I want to post problems to a category so that I dont always run the bot
[22:55:27] <Krinkle>	 I know, but that's not possible right now
[22:55:33] <ToAruShiroiNeko>	 aw
[22:55:50] <ToAruShiroiNeko>	 is it a planned feature?
[22:55:56] <Krinkle>	 I don't believe so
[22:56:31] <Krinkle>	 If something is going to be done for this, it will probably be in the form of prober separation of meta data and caption of photos, not by implementing a tranclusion count
[22:56:37] <Krinkle>	 proper*
[22:56:57] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Bsitu; " add the necessary array type to the function argument" [mediawiki/extensions/PageTriage] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5292
[23:04:41] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Brion VIBBER; "assertEquals is $expected, $actual, not $actual, $expected" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5225
[23:05:45] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Brion VIBBER; "Looks good -- adjusted commit summary to wrap lines." [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5225
[23:06:00] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: jenkins-bot; "Build Successful " [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 1 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5225
[23:06:27] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Brion VIBBER; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5225
[23:06:31] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Catrope; "Also remove GadgetPrefsTest" [mediawiki/extensions/Gadgets] (RL2) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5293
[23:08:11] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) enable revision.rev_sha1 on enwiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34104  +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[23:14:24] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Populate revision.rev_sha1 and archive.ar_sha1 on Wikimedia wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36081 normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (b)
[23:17:45] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) enable revision.rev_sha1 on enwiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34104  +comment (10MZMcBride)
[23:17:57] * Joan  pets Reedy.

[23:20:10] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Populate revision.rev_sha1 and archive.ar_sha1 on Wikimedia wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36081  +comment (10Chad H.)
[23:27:45] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Populate revision.rev_sha1 and archive.ar_sha1 on Wikimedia wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36081   +shell (10MZMcBride)
[23:27:54] <ToAruShiroiNeko>	 Krinkle hmm
[23:28:04] <ToAruShiroiNeko>	 I am not really looking for a transclusion couont
[23:28:13] <ToAruShiroiNeko>	 I dont care how many times it is trasncluded
[23:28:27] <ToAruShiroiNeko>	 for instance is it possible to track div names?
[23:28:47] <Krinkle>	 No
[23:28:56] <ToAruShiroiNeko>	 if "div=foo" appears twice, do stuff
[23:28:57] <bawolff>	 That'd be an interesting feature though
[23:29:05] <Krinkle>	 It sounds a lot like a workaround
[23:29:07] <ToAruShiroiNeko>	 twice or more
[23:29:31] <bawolff>	 I mean from a to keep track of where css i used (I just walked into this conversation, not sure what ToAruShiroiNeko's usecase is)
[23:30:00] <ToAruShiroiNeko>	 bawolff I am trying to keep track of template transclsions
[23:30:23] <bawolff>	 then I agree with Krinkle ;)
[23:30:30] <Krinkle>	 bawolff: Yes, a whatlinkshere for classes and Ids in general is very nice
[23:31:06] <Krinkle>	 especially because the Lucene search engine is absolutely terrible for searching through code, it doesn't honor most technical symbols
[23:31:15] <Krinkle>	 it is very much optimized for actual text, which is good
[23:31:29] <Krinkle>	 ignores most wikitext and html/css code
[23:31:31] <bawolff>	 unless you happen to be using wiktionary, then thats bad
[23:31:52] <ToAruShiroiNeko>	 Krinkle I was thinking of tracking an invisible signature
[23:31:55] <ToAruShiroiNeko>	 like a hidden div
[23:32:04] <Krinkle>	 its even worse for wiktionary
[23:32:05] <Krinkle>	 because a lot of stuff there is indirectly outputted, almost everything goes through a template at wikt
[23:32:25] <Krinkle>	 ToAruShiroiNeko: There could be a way to track number of uses of css selectors, but that result will only be available in css or in javascript, not inside the wikitext
[23:32:28] <bawolff>	 yeah, I've tried searching there, its not fun
[23:33:10] <ToAruShiroiNeko>	 Krinkle so it would be impossible to generate a category link through that?
[23:33:27] <ToAruShiroiNeko>	 bawolff searching at wikt is fun, you get to learn about everything else firts :p
[23:33:50] <Krinkle>	 ToAruShiroiNeko: indeed
[23:33:59] <bawolff>	 Hmm, sounds like ToAruShiroiNeko really wants the variables extension (spoiler: not something thtat's likely to go on wikimedia wikis)
[23:36:49] <bawolff>	 I just thought of the most horrid hack that would do what ToAruShiroiNeko wants (please don't actually do what I'm about to describe. wikitext kittens will die)
[23:37:38] <bawolff>	 you could set a defaultsortkey, and then look for error with #iferror
[23:37:47] <bawolff>	 since second time it set, it generates an error
[23:38:05] <bawolff>	 (Don't actually do that, it will mess up the sortkeys and more to the point is evil)
[23:38:48] <bawolff>	 I suppose you could set it to the current pages name, and then use the norelace error, but its still evil evil evil
[23:50:33] <Amgine>	 bawolff: If only you and Oppenheimer had kept your mouths shut. Thus was {{qif}} created.
[23:53:57] <bawolff>	 My understanding was that {{qif}} was a later addition, and the original was much worse
[23:55:24] <ToAruShiroiNeko>	 can {{#formatdate:date}}  be forced to be a different language?
[23:56:00] <ToAruShiroiNeko>	 http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Assessments/translate/ja looks wierd with 19 April 2012 just because I have english settings
[23:56:36] <bawolff>	 It can be forced to different date conventions, but i don't think it can be forced to different langs
[23:57:09] <ToAruShiroiNeko>	 you can see why I want to force it I hope :)
[23:57:11] <bawolff>	 like you can do {{#formatdate:date|mdy}} or whatever
[23:57:16] <ToAruShiroiNeko>	 yeah
[23:57:30] <ToAruShiroiNeko>	 thatd efines a default
[23:57:39] <ToAruShiroiNeko>	 but for an anonymous user it will look only strange
[23:57:51] <bawolff>	 You could use #date and give it the specific format you want
[23:58:28] <ToAruShiroiNeko>	 I dont know how to use that
[23:59:09] <bawolff>	 oh, i mean #time not #date
[23:59:23] <bawolff>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Extension:ParserFunctions#.23time