[00:00:27] <Joan>	 RotaryHead: What's the issue?
[00:00:36] <Joan>	 RotaryHead: So you probably want to read the cron man page.
[00:00:42] <Joan>	 Or at least the page on Wikipedia.
[00:00:46] <Joan>	 To understand what cron is.
[00:00:49] <Joan>	 Before trying to use it.
[00:08:57] <RotaryHead>	 Joan i have tried and tried and tried 
[00:09:05] <RotaryHead>	 i get what cron is
[00:09:10] <RotaryHead>	 i just can't get it to wrok
[00:09:15] <RotaryHead>	 work*
[00:09:45] <Joan>	 RotaryHead: What line are you adding to cron?
[00:11:54] <RotaryHead>	 http://pastie.org/3836502
[00:13:00] <RotaryHead>	 Joan: http://pastie.org/3836502
[00:14:21] <Ryan_Lane>	 hexmode: are you adding a group in that specific project?
[00:14:27] <Ryan_Lane>	 hexmode: or in "All projects"
[00:14:39] <Ryan_Lane>	 the latter is a global interface and is limited
[00:17:58] <hexmode>	 Ryan_Lane: afaik, only in dep-prep
[00:18:06] <hexmode>	 let me dbl check 
[00:18:51] <Ryan_Lane>	 you need to be a sysadmin in the project to do so
[00:18:56] <Ryan_Lane>	 nothing else is needed
[00:19:16] <hexmode>	 Ryan_Lane: url says project=deployment-prep
[00:20:38] <hexmode>	 Ryan_Lane: just re-confirmed, I still get that error even with project=deployment-prep in the url
[00:29:31] <hexmode>	 Ryan_Lane: sorry, just got disconnected.  Any clues on how to procede?
[00:29:38] <Ryan_Lane>	 lemme look
[00:31:45] <Ryan_Lane>	 I'm testing on my test wiki with a user who only has limited privileges and it works without error
[00:31:52] <Ryan_Lane>	 same version of the code
[00:31:57] <Ryan_Lane>	 same configuration
[00:32:02] <hexmode>	 quick summary of my understanding: permission checking allows action=create of groups, but not action=delete or action=addclass
[00:32:14] <Ryan_Lane>	 ok. lemme check that
[00:32:23] <Ryan_Lane>	 confirmed.
[00:32:24] <Ryan_Lane>	 lemme fix it
[00:32:29] <hexmode>	 :)
[00:32:54] <hexmode>	 also action=addvar
[00:33:00] * Ryan_Lane  nods

[00:36:54] <Ryan_Lane>	 found it
[00:37:00] <Ryan_Lane>	 one line fix :)
[00:38:15] <hexmode>	 \o/
[00:38:40] <Ryan_Lane>	 can you open a bug for me to associate with this?
[00:38:55] <hexmode>	 def
[00:39:25] <Ryan_Lane>	 hm. the bot must be missing due to flooding the channel
[00:40:59] <hexmode>	 Ryan_Lane: what is the component these go under?
[00:41:14] <Ryan_Lane>	 extensions -> OpenStackManager
[00:41:24] <Ryan_Lane>	 also, see if it'll work for you now
[00:41:40] <hexmode>	 ah, was looking for something "nova"
[00:43:00] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) permission problems when working with nova groups - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36165 normal; MediaWiki extensions: OpenStackManager; (mah)
[00:43:19] <hexmode>	 Ryan_Lane: there ya go
[00:43:37] <hexmode>	 looks like it works :)
[00:43:52] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) permission problems when working with nova groups - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36165  +comment (10Ryan Lane)
[00:43:56] <Ryan_Lane>	 great :)
[00:44:24] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) AutoAuthSetup no longer working on 1.19 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35165  (10Ryan Lane)
[00:45:40] <hexmode>	 Ryan_Lane: faila on action=modifyclass
[00:45:47] <Ryan_Lane>	 :(
[00:46:05] <Ryan_Lane>	 crazy.
[00:46:06] <Ryan_Lane>	 seeing that
[00:46:34] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) Minor typo in code - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36148  +comment (10Solitarius)
[00:46:44] <hexmode>	 also modifyvar
[00:46:51] <Ryan_Lane>	 yeah. I see why :(
[00:47:37] <hexmode>	 glad I finally managed to bug you about getting this fixed :)
[00:47:46] <Ryan_Lane>	 heh
[00:48:15] <Ryan_Lane>	 wait
[00:48:21] <Ryan_Lane>	 I don't see this, actually
[00:48:31] <Ryan_Lane>	 now I do
[00:48:38] <Ryan_Lane>	 different error, right?
[00:48:41] <Ryan_Lane>	 missing from sysadmin?
[00:48:44] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Make Wikimedia ShortUrl short URLs even shorter using an Apache rewrite rule - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36164  +comment (10Daniel Friesen)
[00:48:50] <hexmode>	 yes
[00:49:00] <hexmode>	 get it on submission instead of just clicking
[00:51:15] <Ryan_Lane>	 honestly, the modify interface is just simply confusing
[00:51:33] <Ryan_Lane>	 it allows you to move classes between groups, but lists the groups incorrectly too
[00:51:40] <hexmode>	 well, I won't disagree
[00:51:42] <hexmode>	 :)
[00:52:17] <Ryan_Lane>	 this should be filtering per project
[00:52:57] <Ryan_Lane>	 better
[00:53:00] <Ryan_Lane>	 another fix incoming :)
[00:53:59] <hexmode>	 Ryan_Lane: so, if you've got a sec: how do I test this?  Can I just put a file in /etc/puppet with the right class info?
[00:54:20] <Ryan_Lane>	 unfortunately, for now, you need to submit it for review
[00:54:27] <Ryan_Lane>	 then it needs to be reviewed and merged
[00:54:34] <Ryan_Lane>	 it's non-ideal
[00:54:40] <Ryan_Lane>	 faidon is working on this
[00:55:47] <hexmode>	 Ryan_Lane: k... how hard it it to set up my own system for testing? could I do it on my laptop? or in a single vm?
[00:56:11] <Ryan_Lane>	 difficult
[00:56:37] <Ryan_Lane>	 you need to set up a puppet master, configured properly, with a full checkout of the public and private git repo for labs
[00:56:51] <Ryan_Lane>	 again, faidon is working on making this easier :)
[00:56:54] <hexmode>	 hrm...
[00:57:17] <hexmode>	 dang, ok.  I'll probably be a pain in the butt then, this week.
[00:57:22] <Ryan_Lane>	 that's fine
[00:58:51] <Ryan_Lane>	 hexmode: try now
[00:59:32] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) permission problems when working with nova groups - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36165  +comment (10Ryan Lane)
[00:59:48] <hexmode>	 Ryan_Lane: works... tyvm
[00:59:54] <Ryan_Lane>	 yw
[00:59:58] <Ryan_Lane>	 let me know if you hit any other bugs
[01:00:10] <Ryan_Lane>	 also, report them, so I can see them when I'm not around
[01:00:58] <hexmode>	 yeah, I should know to do that :P
[01:01:06] <Ryan_Lane>	 :)
[01:19:41] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Guru Meditaion with Varnish Cache and image - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36166 normal; Wikimedia: Media storage; (jasper)
[01:23:51] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) stats.wikimedia.org needs options to see exact counts and dates - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35150  (10Donald Lancon)
[01:32:46] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) stats.wikimedia.org needs options to see exact counts and dates - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35150  +comment (10Donald Lancon)
[01:43:56] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Image thumbnail on Commons throwing a 500 internal server error (Varnish Guru Meditation) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36166  summary (10MZMcBride)
[02:20:13] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) XSS in CharInsert, forged strip markers - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35315  +comment (10Tim Starling)
[02:30:21] <RotaryHead>	 hello
[02:33:47] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Scrolling on Nokia E75 is slow - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/32773  +comment (10Srikanth Logic)
[03:55:09] <yellowfish>	 how can I hide the sidebar? The common css I'm editing doesn't seem to be working
[04:09:57] <codurr>	 03tstarling * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/115010> 10/trunk/extensions/CodeEditor/modules/ (ext.codeEditor.js jquery.codeEditor.js): Allow links to specific lines of code using a special fragment syntax
[04:30:11] <wikibugs>	 14(WFM) 401 Response to thumbnail on enwiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36163  summary; +comment (10Bawolff)
[04:53:40] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Add block-options to Special:CentralAuth - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/18182  +comment (10Michael Chen)
[05:13:49] <RotaryHead>	 hi
[05:14:25] <RotaryHead>	 is anyone alive here?
[06:00:31] <Nikerabbit>	 testswarm is broken
[06:04:22] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Testswarm seems to be broken - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36167 normal; Wikimedia: Testing Infrastructure; (niklas.laxstrom)
[06:13:34] <chughakshay16>	 freakolowsky: hi jure ,
[06:14:27] <freakolowsky>	 aloha
[06:17:32] <chughakshay16>	 freakolowsky: the results will be out tonight.. just hoping to work with you through this summer
[06:17:37] <chughakshay16>	 freakolowsky:  :)
[06:18:25] <freakolowsky>	 i'm keeping my fingers crossed
[06:19:10] <chughakshay16>	 freakolowsky: was busy with my office work lately... thats why didnt do much work on my project last week
[06:20:12] <chughakshay16>	 freakolowsky:  anyhow 4-4(manu vs everton) spoiled my weekend... :(
[06:23:05] <chughakshay16>	 freakolowsky: hope u had a better one.. :|
[06:26:06] <freakolowsky>	 manu vs everton?
[06:30:42] <chughakshay16>	 freakolowsky: yes, english premier league :)
[06:32:03] <freakolowsky>	 oh ... football ... 
[06:34:39] <chughakshay16>	 freakolowsky:  yes !
[07:16:17] <codurr>	 New code comment: Krinkle; <pre> \ -if ( version_compare( SF_VERSION, '2.4.1-alpha', 'lt' ) ) { \ +if ( version_compare( SF_VERSION; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/115004#c32720>
[08:14:52] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) wikitech.wikimedia.org SSL cert invalid & out of date - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/27291  +comment (10Beta16)
[08:24:48] <chughakshay16>	 freakolowsky: sorry about before , my manager asked me to come for some work :|
[08:47:18] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) Testswarm seems to be broken - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36167  +comment (10Antoine "hashar" Musso)
[08:54:44] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) test to compare En Qqq and messages.inc - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35942  +comment (10Antoine "hashar" Musso)
[09:08:04] <ToAruShiroiNeko>	 who would be the right person to contact for https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=22521 ?
[09:08:48] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Commits from the l10n-bot should not spam IRC channels - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35538  summary; +comment (10Antoine "hashar" Musso)
[09:12:00] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Commits from the l10n-bot should not spam IRC channels - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35538  +comment (10Niklas Laxström)
[09:14:25] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) data-sort-value in broadtable-fields doesn't consider "," as decimal separator - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35523  +comment (10Markus Krötzsch)
[09:22:14] <qchris>	 Does someone know (or can point me to documentation) about why Extension:Translate does turn off preSafeTransformation?
[09:23:00] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Commits from the l10n-bot should not spam IRC channels - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35538  +comment (10Antoine "hashar" Musso)
[09:24:33] <Guest94178>	 hi,I install extensions PdfExport, but when I open pdf file appear error: "format error: not a PDF or corrupted".What to do?
[09:29:03] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) take over jquery.tipsy plugin - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35241  +comment (10Antoine "hashar" Musso)
[09:31:22] <qchris>	 Nikerabbit: Is there some documentation about why Extension:Translate does turn off preSafeTransformation? Or what's the main problem to use preSaveTransformations?
[09:32:26] <Nikerabbit>	 qchris: so that we can have stuff like ~~~~ in translations
[09:32:35] <Nikerabbit>	 is it a problem?
[09:32:43] <qchris>	 Nikerabbit: Thanks.
[09:33:00] <qchris>	 There were some problems with len column of revision text
[09:33:05] <qchris>	 And we are discussion options.
[09:33:35] <qchris>	 So I just wanted to know about the use of disablePST and its motivation
[09:33:55] <Nikerabbit>	 len column?
[09:34:33] <qchris>	 rev_len. Sorry
[09:34:33] <Nikerabbit>	 disabling PST is pretty much a must if you ever store anything that is not strictly wikitext in the pages... I guess also wikidata will need it
[09:35:01] <qchris>	 Ok.
[09:35:30] <qchris>	 So we cannot rely on PST being done on every revision text :(
[09:35:57] <qchris>	 But this was the impression anyways
[09:36:08] <qchris>	 Thanks a lot.
[09:42:55] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Commits from the l10n-bot should not spam emails - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36168 normal; Wikimedia: Git/Gerrit; (federicoleva)
[09:42:55] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Migrate subversion to git (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/22596  (10Nemo_bis)
[09:42:55] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Send email notifications of all MediaWiki commits to mediawiki-cvs list - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35531  (10Nemo_bis)
[09:43:24] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Commits from the l10n-bot should not spam IRC channels - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35538  +comment (10Nemo_bis)
[09:50:27] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Scrolling on Nokia E75 is slow - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/32773  +comment (10Luc)
[10:03:16] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Parser::setFunctionTagHook() produces non-removed UNIQ markers when the tag is defined right after section start === ... === in page wikitext - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36140  +comment (10Dmitriy Sintsov)
[10:20:40] <chughakshay16>	 jorm , hi
[10:22:06] <chughakshay16>	 varnent : hi,
[10:23:27] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Scrolling on Nokia E75 is slow - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/32773  +comment (10Srikanth)
[10:30:45] <ToAruShiroiNeko>	 Everything on an E75 is slow
[10:30:47] <hashar>	 CIA ? :D
[10:31:01] <ToAruShiroiNeko>	 What?
[10:31:28] <ToAruShiroiNeko>	 hashar: who would be the right person to contact for https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=22521 ?
[10:31:44] <Daniel_WMDE_>	 hm...
[10:31:59] <Daniel_WMDE_>	 inside a phpunit test case, can i set the content and/or user language?
[10:32:07] <Daniel_WMDE_>	 how do i do that without messing with the message cache?
[10:32:30] <Daniel_WMDE_>	 i want to use qqx, so i can check results against message names instead of message contgent
[10:34:17] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Unit test issues - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36007  +comment (10Krinkle)
[10:36:03] <hashar>	 mutante: you have just missed a notification :-P
[10:36:44] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Scrolling on Nokia E75 is slow - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/32773  +comment (10Jon)
[10:44:31] <hashar>	 will write an email to wikitech-l about it
[10:46:32] <codurr>	 New code comment: Nikerabbit; I would have removed the spaces around quotes too.; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/115009#c32721>
[10:49:57] <hashar>	 mail at http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.science.linguistics.wikipedia.technical/60905
[10:52:13] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Whitespace fixer to gerrit - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36169 normal; Wikimedia: Git/Gerrit; (niklas.laxstrom)
[10:54:31] <hashar>	 gerrit-wm: welcome back
[10:54:44] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Nikerabbit; "I don't think many of our translators have a clue what unstrip loop or unstripping in general means,..." [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5596
[10:55:46] <mutante>	 someone must have kicked it, it was running fine on other channels. reloaded it
[10:56:28] <Nikerabbit>	 kickbanned actually
[10:56:43] <Nikerabbit>	 like CIA?
[10:56:53] <Nikerabbit>	 you know that there is a service where you can remove it
[11:01:34] <Nikerabbit>	 hashar: I'm sorry but I don't see any announcements from CIA on this channel
[11:01:50] <Nikerabbit>	 I think you must have confused something
[11:02:52] <hashar>	 I have kicked CIA-89
[11:02:58] <hashar>	 so there is no more announcements
[11:03:06] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: IAlex; "Please no, WikiPage should not depend on a context." [mediawiki/core] (master) C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5591
[11:03:19] <Nikerabbit>	 hashar: there *never* were any announcements here
[11:03:51] <hashar>	 ohhh
[11:04:00] <lies>	 for protection use brain filter: s/CIA-89//g
[11:04:04] <hashar>	 so that must be the irc server I am connected too? :/
[11:05:01] <Nikerabbit>	 I don't know, but I'm sure I didn't receive anything in this channel
[11:05:03] <hashar>	 I have removed ban
[11:05:15] <Daniel_WMDE_>	 Nikerabbit: can you tell me how to use qqx in unit tests? i'm trying to set $wgContLang =  Language::factory( $wgLanguageCode ), but this doesn't work for some reason
[11:05:25] <Daniel_WMDE_>	 the language object still returns english messages
[11:06:51] <Daniel_WMDE_>	 err, $wgLanguageCode was already qqx in the above context
[11:06:59] <Nikerabbit>	 why don't you just do wfMessage( 'foo' )->inLanguage( Language::factory( 'qqx' ) )->...
[11:07:24] <ialex>	 or even inLanguage( 'qqx' )
[11:07:33] <Daniel_WMDE_>	 Nikerabbit: because i don't controll the wfMessage call. 
[11:07:42] <Daniel_WMDE_>	 Nikerabbit: i'm testing getAutosummary
[11:07:52] <Daniel_WMDE_>	 which will return stuff derived from system messages
[11:08:01] <domas>	 holy crap
[11:08:04] <Nikerabbit>	 Daniel_WMDE_: use RequestContext then?
[11:08:09] <Daniel_WMDE_>	 and i want to check that it's using the correct messages
[11:08:13] <ialex>	 Nikerabbit: did you press the good button while reviewing https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#change,5598 ? :)
[11:08:45] <Daniel_WMDE_>	 Nikerabbit: hm... how exactly? does wfMsgForContent respect that?
[11:08:46] <Nikerabbit>	 ialex: if you ask why I didn't merge it I just wanted to someone else to be able comment
[11:09:04] <Nikerabbit>	 Daniel_WMDE_: prolly not
[11:09:09] <Daniel_WMDE_>	 right
[11:09:13] <Daniel_WMDE_>	 so... i'm a bit stuck.
[11:09:30] <Nikerabbit>	 overriding the content language in tests isn't that easy... it needs to be done very early
[11:09:44] <Daniel_WMDE_>	 won't work
[11:09:54] <Daniel_WMDE_>	 there may be hundreds of test cases running before mine
[11:10:34] <Daniel_WMDE_>	 so, it's essentially impossible to write tests that rely on system messages?
[11:10:40] <Daniel_WMDE_>	 that's kind of sad...
[11:10:53] <hashar>	 so am I the only one seeing messages from CIA-46 ? :-D
[11:11:11] <hashar>	 CIA-46 joined the chat room.
[11:11:19] <hashar>	 <CIA-46> KDE: stikonas * r1291161 messages/trunk/l10n-kde4/lt/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Updated Lithuanian translation.
[11:11:21] <hashar>	 :-D
[11:11:25] <p858snake|l>	 hashar: its quieten, so yes while you are oped
[11:11:33] <hashar>	 hhha
[11:11:52] <Daniel_WMDE_>	 grrmbl
[11:12:22] <hashar>	 and of course my IRC client does not support showing modes :/
[11:13:31] <codurr>	 New code comment: MarkAHershberger; this needs to be merged for another 1.18 release.; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110821#c32722>
[11:13:39] <hashar>	 heading lunch
[11:13:40] <hashar>	 see ya
[11:25:13] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Commits from the l10n-bot should not spam emails - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36168  +comment (10Antoine "hashar" Musso)
[11:33:51] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Nikerabbit; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5502
[11:37:12] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Nikerabbit; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5424
[11:40:47] <codurr>	 03tstarling * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/115011> 10/trunk/extensions/CodeEditor/modules/ (ext.codeEditor.js jquery.codeEditor.js):
[11:40:47] <codurr>	 Fixed a couple of minor issues in r115010:
[11:40:47] <codurr>	 * Scroll up a few lines so that the user can see the error context
[11:40:48] <codurr>	 * Defer processing of the fragment until the load event, otherwise the code editor is not fully initialised and does not properly respond to the navigateTo() call.
[11:42:17] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Commits from the l10n-bot should not spam emails - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36168  +comment (10Nemo_bis)
[11:43:19] <Nikerabbit>	 help
[11:43:20] <Nikerabbit>	 git review -d 5410
[11:43:20] <Nikerabbit>	 Downloading refs/changes/10/5410/1 from gerrit into review/reedy/bug/36107
[11:43:20] <Nikerabbit>	 fatal: Couldn't find remote ref refs/changes/10/5410/1
[11:43:49] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) GlobalFunctions.php line 1312: Call to a member function getText() on a non-object - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33165  +comment (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[11:45:41] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "added toArray method to ORMResult class, to avoid having this at many places outside of the class" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5616
[11:47:04] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: jenkins-bot; "Build Successful " [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 1 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5616
[11:50:47] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Unclear/useless error message - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36170 normal; Wikimedia: Git/Gerrit; (niklas.laxstrom)
[11:52:42] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Nikerabbit; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/LiquidThreads] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5410
[11:52:45] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Nikerabbit; [mediawiki/extensions/LiquidThreads] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5410
[11:52:55] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Imports from Wikibooks - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36171 normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (marc.galli35)
[11:58:50] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Tim Starling; "Nicer errors with backtraces etc." [mediawiki/extensions/Scribunto] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5617
[12:00:06] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Unable to open diff in Gerrit - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36172 normal; Wikimedia: Git/Gerrit; (niklas.laxstrom)
[12:01:46] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Nikerabbit; "I'm unable to review because I can't open the diff for the i18n file." [mediawiki/extensions/OpenStackManager] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5220
[12:15:16] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) Lqt breaks API prop=info with invalid titles - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36107  (10Niklas Laxström)
[12:17:47] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Remove asterisks around current language name in <language> navigation bar - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36075  +comment (10Niklas Laxström)
[12:23:24] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Add support for the Shoshoni language in MediaWiki (lang=shh) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36054  +comment (10Niklas Laxström)
[12:24:41] <p858snake|l>	 Joan: can you poke mw-bot, we have three instances running atm
[12:25:20] <Joan>	 p858snake|l: You'd like a fourth?
[12:25:34] <p858snake|l>	 well I do have a thing for even numbers
[12:27:58] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Hashar; "Fixed by https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5498" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5212
[12:38:05] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Nikerabbit; "Looks good except for one issue noted in inline comments." [mediawiki/extensions/WebFonts] (master); V: 0 C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5314
[12:40:23] <Joan>	 !hi
[12:40:23] <mw-bot>	 I don't know anything about "hi". You might try: !@ !adminsettings !anglebrackets !bot !export !f5 !fu !hello !hiddencategories !highlight !install !lazy !mwbot !numberedparams !package !packages !putty !ruby !sandbox !svnprops 
[12:40:28] <Joan>	 Ugh.
[12:48:12] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Incorrect Namespace definition (German) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36173 trivial; MediaWiki extensions: SemanticForms; (j.b.e)
[12:55:04] <capiscuas>	 hi all, i have a question, i'm trying to save this article with a Cuisine template that exists but for some reason it doesn't load it well.
[12:55:10] <capiscuas>	 http://wikitravel.org/en/Image:Mote_Hin_Khar_soup.jpg
[12:55:13] <capiscuas>	 any idea why?
[13:00:11] <Daniel_WMDE_>	 camerin: that templat6e does not exist
[13:00:13] <Daniel_WMDE_>	 http://wikitravel.org/wiki/en/index.php?title=Template:Cuisine&action=edit
[13:00:27] <Daniel_WMDE_>	 are you sure you are on the right wiki?
[13:02:10] <Daniel_WMDE_>	 oh, sorry camerin, that was for capiscuas ---^
[13:02:26] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Suppressed edit summary remains cached in revision view while not logged in - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36142  (10Mailer Diablo)
[13:02:27] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Edits wrongly attributed on frwikisource - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35610  +comment (10MArc)
[13:03:08] <capiscuas>	 Daniel_WMDE_: hmm, i think i'm getting confused between the shared and the english one
[13:03:10] <capiscuas>	 lol
[13:03:56] <Daniel_WMDE_>	 capiscuas: indeed, http://wikitravel.org/shared/Template:Cuisine exists
[13:04:08] <Daniel_WMDE_>	 capiscuas: edit the image description here http://wikitravel.org/shared/Image:Mote_Hin_Khar_soup.jpg
[13:04:10] <Daniel_WMDE_>	 then it should work
[13:04:41] <capiscuas>	 ah ok, thanks a lot
[13:05:33] <capiscuas>	 yeah, it worked: http://wikitravel.org/shared/Category:Cuisine_of_Myanmar , hehehe
[13:37:55] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) DisableSpecialPages incompatible with MediaWiki 1.18.1 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35388  +comment (10Max)
[13:38:17] <codurr>	 03a_engels * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/115012> 10/trunk/wikistats/squids/SquidReportArchive.pl: requests by Phil
[13:39:56] <potter>	 !seen iAlex
[13:40:15] <potter>	 !seen blackjack48
[13:40:16] <hashar>	 potter: he was there this morning :-D
[13:40:21] <hashar>	 ialex I mean
[13:40:32] <potter>	 hashar: ok :)
[13:40:46] <potter>	 morning is relative ;)
[13:40:52] <hashar>	 Europe
[13:40:53] <hashar>	 :D
[13:44:45] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) localization missing on labs commons - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36135  (10Peter Bena)
[13:46:11] <freakolowsky>	 "morning is relative ;)" ... there should be a t-shirt for this :D
[13:48:55] <Chrisahn>	 Hi, I have a question about the dumps at dumps.wikimedia.org
[13:49:03] <apergos>	 let's hear it
[13:49:26] <Chrisahn>	 Background: I work for DBpedia. We etxract data from the XML dumps.
[13:49:43] <apergos>	 ok
[13:49:45] <Chrisahn>	 For that, we need to parse the wiki source.
[13:49:52] <apergos>	 the wikitext. I see
[13:50:21] <Chrisahn>	 To do that correctly, we need to know which interwiki prefixes are in use on a wiki, e.g. [[google:Foo]].
[13:50:52] <Chrisahn>	 Similar for the magic words
[13:51:15] <Chrisahn>	 Now, we can download the current interwiki prefixes and magic words from api.php...
[13:51:40] <apergos>	 or in the case that the interwiki table is populated you can grab the copy dumped
[13:51:42] <Chrisahn>	 ...but we cannot be sure that these are the same that were used when the dump was created.
[13:51:47] <apergos>	 no
[13:52:00] <apergos>	 in fact you can't be sure that any table dumps is internally consistent
[13:52:08] <Chrisahn>	 In which file is the interwiki table?
[13:52:11] <apergos>	 or that a user hasn't changed their name in the middle of the dump
[13:52:19] <Chrisahn>	 Internal consistency is ok
[13:52:25] <apergos>	 you can think of the dumbs as "pretty good" but not 100%
[13:52:57] <apergos>	 blah blah interwiki.sql.gz  should get it
[13:53:09] <Chrisahn>	 but within a dump, incosistency can be caused by a diff of a few days
[13:53:12] <MaxSem>	 Chrisahn, in practice, interwikis change rarely
[13:53:15] <apergos>	 the problem is that very recent projects don't have that table populated any more
[13:53:52] <apergos>	 that's true, the interwiki prefixes known don't change every day, thank goodness
[13:54:52] <MaxSem>	 so you can always use latest ones
[13:55:08] <Chrisahn>	 Hmm... alright... I think we'll try to use interwiki.sql if it exists and otherwise hope that what we get from api.php is not different from what was in use when the dump was made.
[13:55:44] <apergos>	 it will exist; it just might be empty for some wikis
[13:56:46] <Chrisahn>	 I'll probably file a bug anyway, just for the record. I think it would be nice if a small file containing the current magic words and interwiki prefixes was available on a download page like enwiki/20120101/
[13:57:22] <Chrisahn>	 Oh, and I forgot the namespace aliases. They are probably even more important. They don't change often either, but sometimes they do.
[13:57:34] <apergos>	 yes, sometimes they do
[13:58:02] <Chrisahn>	 Thanks for your help so far!
[13:58:02] <apergos>	 of course the list we dump at the beginning of a run might not be the list in effect at the end of a run
[13:58:11] <apergos>	 things change seldom but we can always get unlucy
[13:58:31] <Chrisahn>	 One more similar question:
[13:58:37] <apergos>	 anyways, feel free to file a bug with a list of the sorts of things you want.  it may be awhile before we get to it, images are priority righ tnow
[13:58:42] <apergos>	 sure, fire away
[13:58:56] <Chrisahn>	 We also use four or five of the SQL dumps
[13:59:05] <Chrisahn>	 but we also use tables.sql
[13:59:55] <Chrisahn>	 It basically works like this: run tables.sql, strip the DROP TABLE / CREATE TABLE stuff from the SQL dump files, then run the stripped SQL dumps
[14:00:08] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Alow indexing of redirects - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36174 normal; MediaWiki: Redirects; (mybugs.mail)
[14:00:15] <apergos>	 why bother to strip? 
[14:00:22] <apergos>	 just let it drop and recreate
[14:00:41] <Chrisahn>	 Actually, I don't quite remember anymore. :-)
[14:00:46] <apergos>	 heh
[14:00:47] <apergos>	 ok
[14:01:33] <Chrisahn>	 My question is similar to the one before: what's the easiest way to figure out which revision of tables.sql was active when the dump was created?
[14:01:55] <apergos>	 oh gee. ugh
[14:02:09] <apergos>	 there's no nice way
[14:02:10] <Chrisahn>	 I found that the XML dump contains the version number: <generator>MediaWiki 1.19wmf</generator> or so
[14:02:21] <apergos>	 yes.  that's the only "easy" thing you can rely on
[14:02:35] <apergos>	 is that when there is a schema update that affects the output, it will be reflected there
[14:02:43] <apergos>	 for xml dumps
[14:02:46] <apergos>	 but there's nothing else
[14:02:47] <Chrisahn>	 Ah, I was afraid that would be the answer :-)
[14:02:57] <Chrisahn>	 Alright, I'll do that.
[14:02:59] <apergos>	 yeah, it's "dg through git"... sorry about that
[14:03:10] <apergos>	 and if it's in the last few months it's
[14:03:18] <Chrisahn>	 what's dg through git?
[14:03:18] <apergos>	 dig through git and then through svn :-/
[14:03:23] <apergos>	 *dig
[14:03:24] <Chrisahn>	 ok :-)
[14:04:02] <Chrisahn>	 Ok, I'll write anther bug report. I know that it's not high priority, I'm cool with that.
[14:04:09] <apergos>	 ok
[14:04:22] <Chrisahn>	 Thanks a lot for your help!
[14:04:35] <apergos>	 you're welcome
[14:04:44] <apergos>	 looking forward to see what you guys generate :-)
[14:05:20] <Chrisahn>	 I'll also check again if we really need tables.sql or if we can use DROP / CREATE in the SQL dumps. Maybe it was just a performace improvement.
[14:05:34] <Chrisahn>	 DBpedia 3.8 is coming soon. :-)
[14:06:54] <apergos>	 yay!
[14:09:50] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Error in Narayam more input menu - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35484  +comment (10Srikanth)
[14:11:13] <Chrisahn>	 Oh, one more thing - there's interwiki.sql, but there is no namespacealiases.sql or something like that, is there?
[14:13:05] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) The links on imagemap should contain information about "missing article" and "external link". - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36175 normal; MediaWiki extensions: ImageMap; (fur.hewiki)
[14:13:14] <apergos>	 there's no table, no
[14:14:05] <Chrisahn>	 alright. thanks!
[14:15:06] <apergos>	 the thing about those aliases is that they are done by config (vars in a php file :-/)
[14:19:06] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Demon; "Two minor test description issues." [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5550
[14:20:12] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Demon; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.20wmf1); V: 0 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5427
[14:20:17] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Demon; [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.20wmf1) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5427
[14:22:05] <ed8>	 hi, is there a place where I can find addon for the wikieditor extension ?
[14:24:50] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Error in Narayam more input menu - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35484  +comment (10Beta16)
[14:28:07] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Demon; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5616
[14:35:24] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) Error in Narayam more input menu - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35484  +comment (10Niklas Laxström)
[14:35:28] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Jeroen De Dauw; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/core] (master) C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5616
[14:35:42] <gerrit-wm>	 Change abandoned: Jeroen De Dauw; "iterator_to_array works well enough :)" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5616
[14:38:26] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Demon; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/FlaggedRevs] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4570
[14:38:28] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Demon; [mediawiki/extensions/FlaggedRevs] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4570
[14:46:19] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) XML-Dumps should include namespacealiases - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34218  +comment (10Christopher Sahnwaldt)
[14:46:22] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) dump format could declare which namespaces it covers - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/21200  +comment (10Christopher Sahnwaldt)
[14:46:35] <gerrit-wm>	 Change abandoned: Demon; "Abandoning per commit summary ;-)" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5613
[14:46:41] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Include Interwiki information in import and export xml files - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31955  +comment (10Christopher Sahnwaldt)
[14:54:33] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Hydriz; "Adding myself as one of the authors. I am helping to programme this extension on an external repository." [mediawiki/extensions/WikimediaIncubator] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5621
[14:54:41] <Hydriz>	 woots
[14:58:21] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) dump should include tables.sql - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36176 normal; Datasets: General/Unknown; (jcsahnwaldt)
[14:59:54] <Chrisahn>	 I just added that new bug report
[15:01:22] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) dump should include tables.sql - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36176  +comment (10Beau)
[15:01:47] <Chrisahn>	 For all my other questions, there already are bugs: 31955, 21200, 34218.
[15:02:53] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) dump should include tables.sql - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36176  +comment (10Hydra)
[15:05:18] <Lcawte>	 ^demon: True, they're probably not needed, if theres a community consensus, I'll kill em all...
[15:06:03] <Lcawte>	 What does SVN notifications at the moment, codurr and gerrit-wm ?
[15:08:18] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Transcluding a Special: page causes reference list to reset. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36177 normal; MediaWiki extensions: Cite; (hersfoldwiki)
[15:09:48] <^demon>	 Lcawte: Just codurr. gerrit-wm only does gerrit notifs.
[15:10:08] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Transcluding a Special: page causes reference list to reset. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36177  +comment (10Hersfold)
[15:10:27] <Lcawte>	 I meant repo notifications, but yeah... didn't codurr use the CIA.vc feed once apon a time or something?
[15:10:44] <Lcawte>	 Or does it do codereview notifis?
[15:11:01] * Lcawte  is trying to think back to like 2010/11 :/

[15:11:07] <^demon>	 I think it originally used cia.vc, but then it was changed to work off the replicated codereview tables.
[15:11:44] <Lcawte>	 http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Codurr <-- probably out of date then?
[15:12:00] <Lcawte>	 Mind you, its still sat in -codereview with a cia bot
[15:13:57] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: QChris; "No environment reset for failure after prefetch hit" [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.20wmf1) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5623
[15:14:16] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) xml dump files should include magic words - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36178 normal; Datasets: General/Unknown; (jcsahnwaldt)
[15:14:26] <Nikerabbit>	 oh hi ^demon
[15:14:28] <Lcawte>	 CIA needs a lot of major rewriting and stuffz... Why is it all in python darn it... it uses Django or whatever its called :/
[15:15:14] <Lcawte>	 Any who, I removed the non-MW projects from CIA-46 over there...
[15:15:16] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: QChris; "Due to rev_len issues, "backing off" due to prefetch problems" [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.20wmf1) C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5623
[15:15:26] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: jenkins-bot; "Build Successful " [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.20wmf1); V: 1 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5623
[15:16:06] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Demon; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/examples] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5189
[15:16:09] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Demon; [mediawiki/extensions/examples] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5189
[15:17:12] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Demon; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/examples] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5597
[15:17:15] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Demon; [mediawiki/extensions/examples] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5597
[15:22:11] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Include Interwiki information in import and export xml files - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31955  +comment (10Christopher Sahnwaldt)
[15:22:13] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) dump format could declare which namespaces it covers - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/21200  +comment (10Christopher Sahnwaldt)
[15:22:20] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) XML-Dumps should include namespacealiases - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34218  +comment (10Christopher Sahnwaldt)
[15:23:36] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) xml dump files should include magic words - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36178  +comment (10Christopher Sahnwaldt)
[15:25:50] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) rebuildall.php invalid input syntax for integer: "NULL" at character 149 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36179 normal; MediaWiki: Maintenance scripts; (dathku)
[15:36:04] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Deploy extension Memento on Wikipedia sites - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34778  +comment (10Harihar Shankar)
[15:39:33] <Krenair>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/%E3%82%A2%E3%83%83%E3%83%97%E3%83%AD%E3%83%BC%E3%83%89%E5%85%88%E3%83%87%E3%82%A3%E3%83%AC%E3%82%AF%E3%83%88%E3%83%AA%E3%83%BC%EF%BC%88public%EF%BC%89%E3%81%AB%E3%80%81%E3%82%A6%E3%82%A7%E3%83%96%E3%82%B5%E3%83%BC%E3%83%90%E3%83%BC%E3%81%8C%E6%9B%B8%E3%81%8D%E8%BE%BC%E3%82%81%E3%81%BE%E3%81%9B%E3%82%93%E3%80%82
[15:39:55] <Krenair>	 Can someone who speaks Japanese deal with this please?
[15:41:09] <Krenair>	 I think they want help with directory permissions
[15:41:22] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) JS modules not loaded for transcluded RunQuery forms - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36180 normal; MediaWiki extensions: SemanticFormsInputs; (f.trott)
[15:59:59] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Prevent search engines from indexing the user namespace in German Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36181 normal; Wikimedia: Language setup; (jonathan.haas)
[16:00:56] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: SPQRobin; "Edit notices can now be translated." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4944
[16:01:07] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: jenkins-bot; "Build Failed " [mediawiki/core] (master); V: -1 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4944
[16:01:29] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Deploy extension Memento on Wikipedia sites - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34778  +comment (10Platonides)
[16:03:47] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Prevent search engines from indexing the user namespace in German Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36181  +comment (10Beau)
[16:04:41] <wikibugs>	 03(WONTFIX) Prevent search engines from indexing the user namespace in German Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36181  +comment (10Max Semenik)
[16:08:17] <shantanoo>	 !seen sumanah
[16:08:54] <Platonides>	 shantanoo, two days ago
[16:09:23] <shantanoo>	 hi Platonides. any idea what time she will be online today?
[16:11:18] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Prevent search engines from indexing the user namespace in German Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36181  +comment (10Jonathan Haas)
[16:12:43] <codurr>	 03preilly * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/115013> 10/branches/wmf/1.19wmf1/extensions/ZeroRatedMobileAccess/ (3 files): 1.19wmf: MFG Change-Id: If963bab623da57529644b32dac6f29d7747cbe5b
[16:13:15] <Platonides>	 I guess she will connect before 19h UTC
[16:13:25] <Platonides>	 which is when the gsoc results are published
[16:13:42] <Platonides>	 OTOH, maybe she's too busy with that to connect before...
[16:14:14] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Run "refreshLinks.php --dfn-only" on all wikis periodically - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/16112  +comment (10Umherirrender)
[16:15:13] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) Special:WantedCategories on Italian Wikiquote is showing two orphaned categories since years ago - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/24480  +comment (10Umherirrender)
[16:16:35] <shantanoo>	 oh…ok.
[16:17:23] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Prevent search engines from indexing the user namespace in German Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36181  +comment (10Max Semenik)
[16:18:26] <Lcawte>	 ^demon: hmm, yeah, it still seems to echo from cia in -codereview... but theres not much point having it here... I'll kill that one off now...
[16:19:31] <raylton>	 someone of  page of triage team  here?  I wanted to talk
[16:19:55] <raylton>	 *page triage
[16:26:04] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Prevent search engines from indexing the user namespace in German Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36181  +comment (10Jonathan Haas)
[16:28:22] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Tokens-API should be a query module - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36078  +comment (10Bergi)
[16:30:01] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Switching between desktop and mobile view should redirect to canonical URLs - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36182 normal; MediaWiki extensions: MobileFrontend; (maxsem.wiki)
[16:30:14] <Krenair>	 ty 205.151.6.205
[16:32:51] <shantanoo>	 anyone prefers space over tab for indentation? or tab is preferred over space?
[16:34:40] <raylton>	 someone of  "page triage" team  here?  I wanted to talk
[16:36:31] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Search button is not visible with images disabled on Samsung Jet. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/30829  +comment (10Jon)
[16:36:46] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Fix namespace alias on Hindi Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36183 normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (Siddhartha.Ghai)
[16:37:27] <Lcawte>	 raylton: Who's in the team?
[16:40:42] <raylton>	 Lcawte, I wanted to talk to someone who is working with the triage page, you understand? 
[16:41:14] <raylton>	 Lcawte, my english is bad =(
[16:41:32] <Lcawte>	 Yes, and if you tell me who is, I'll tell you if they're normally here / what alias they use on IRC
[16:46:15] <raylton>	 Lcawte, Anyone who is not busy... I just wanted to know who can answer the comments in the talk page
[16:48:59] <raylton>	 Lcawte, http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Page_Triage 
[16:49:41] <wikibugs>	 03(WONTFIX) Count only links from existing pages on WantedQueryPages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/32395  +comment (10Umherirrender)
[16:50:32] <wikibugs>	 04(REOPENED) Prevent search engines from indexing the user namespace in German Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36181   +shell; +comment (10Max Semenik)
[16:54:43] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) Migrate Wikipedia App to using action=parse&mobileformat=html instead of scraping mobile site - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35396  +comment (10Yuvi Panda)
[16:57:29] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) create an API command just for retrieving tokens (not page-based) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/27757  +comment (10Bergi)
[16:57:47] <sumanah>	 Another day in the software mines
[16:57:55] <hackenschmidt>	 howdy all
[16:58:00] <sumanah>	 hello hackenschmidt 
[16:58:23] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Deploy extension Memento on Wikipedia sites - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34778  +comment (10Rob Sanderson)
[16:59:53] <hackenschmidt>	 erm, I'm having trouble using the ldap auth extension :( I'm trying to restrict access to our wiki based upon a group membership, but I can't use the example given on the wiki because we don't use the memberuid attribute in our groups.
[17:00:20] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Saving a page should not need a full page reload - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36184 normal; Wikipedia App: Save Article; (yuvipanda)
[17:00:51] <hackenschmidt>	 I was hoping to be able to use one of the user's attributes instead, but I'm not sure how to do this
[17:01:04] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Saving a page should not need a full page reload - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36184  (10Yuvi Panda)
[17:06:01] <vvv>	 Nikerabbit: re your comment on 5596, what do you mean by documentation? User docs, dev docs or what?
[17:06:26] <Nikerabbit>	 !r 5596
[17:06:38] <Nikerabbit>	 sigh what's the new keyword
[17:07:06] <Nikerabbit>	 vvv: message documentation
[17:07:13] <Nikerabbit>	 qqq
[17:08:30] <Soli>	 hackenschmidt: What's the attribute you want to use?
[17:09:24] <hackenschmidt>	 the users gidnumber, which corresponds to a group.
[17:10:03] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Nikerabbit; "What is that external repo?" [mediawiki/extensions/WikimediaIncubator] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5621
[17:11:17] <Lcawte>	 raylton: Try werdna or jorm
[17:11:26] <Soli>	 hackenschmidt: Did you look into the $wgLDAPGroup* configuration variables?
[17:11:35] <Lcawte>	 They're part of the team apparently
[17:11:51] <wikibugs>	 03(UNCONFIRMED) Creation of Wikimedia mailing list for Nepali Wikipedia [wikimedia-ne] - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35553  +comment (10Rajesh Pandey)
[17:13:00] <hackenschmidt>	 Soli, yes, but apparently I'm not smart enough to figure out the conf. I have it working based upon the memberuid attribute in the group, but that means i would have to add every single user as a attribute to the group.
[17:13:29] <Nikerabbit>	 vvv: need help with that?
[17:13:42] <hackenschmidt>	 I just can't figure out how to change it so that it compares the user's gidnumber to the group gidnumber instead of the user's uid to the memberuid
[17:14:03] <Soli>	 hackenschmidt: Your directory service (AD|OpenLDAP|eDirectory) should do that for you.
[17:15:18] <vvv>	 Nikerabbit: no, just was asking
[17:15:24] <Nikerabbit>	 vvv: okay
[17:15:42] <Nikerabbit>	 vvv: if the concept is clearly explained somewhere, like wikipedia, you can  just link to the page
[17:16:10] <Soli>	 hackenschmidt: Use ldap to dump your group as it is right now, you should find what attribute to use. memberuid or member or other.
[17:16:41] <sumanah>	 hi YuviPand_ 
[17:16:48] <YuviPand_>	 hi sumanah 
[17:17:14] <hackenschmidt>	 Soli, It only has the cn, gidnumber and as many memberuid as I've added. if i define wgLDAPGroupAttribute as memberuid then It works if the user's uid is a memberuid, when i change that to gidnumber it doesn't work. 
[17:17:15] <vvv>	 Nikerabbit: by the way, do we still need to add messages to messages.inc?
[17:18:47] <Nikerabbit>	 vvv: for now yes
[17:18:57] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Demon; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5307
[17:19:00] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Demon; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5307
[17:19:06] <Soli>	 hackenschmidt: You should put the group identifier in $wgLDAPRequiredGroups, using the full common name. Keep the $wgLDAPGroupAttribute as memberuid.
[17:19:42] <sumanah>	 YuviPanda: PM ok?
[17:20:05] <YuviPanda>	 sumanah: sure!
[17:20:21] <hackenschmidt>	 Soli, $wgLDAPRequiredGroups = array("DOMAIN"=> array("cn=testgroup,ou=group,dc=example,dc=domain,dc=com"));
[17:21:24] <Soli>	 hackenschmidt: That look good
[17:22:21] <hackenschmidt>	 Soli, if the user is not listed explicitly listed as a memberuid attribute of the cn=testgroup, then it fails.
[17:22:52] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Deploy extension Memento on Wikipedia sites - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34778  +comment (10Max Semenik)
[17:22:58] <Soli>	 hackenschmidt: Yes, isn't that not what you want?
[17:24:07] <hackenschmidt>	 Soli, I'd rather not, there are dozen's of users that are part of this group, I would have to add them all manually to it 
[17:25:26] <hackenschmidt>	 Soli, isn't there a way to look at a users attribute and determine it's group based on that?
[17:26:09] <Soli>	 hackenschmidt: That's where I don't follow you, if they are member of the group, they should have a memberuid listed.
[17:28:19] <potter_>	 ialex: hi
[17:28:32] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Add block-options to Special:CentralAuth - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/18182  +comment (10Krenair)
[17:28:48] <hackenschmidt>	 Soli, I think I worded that poorly. They have the same gidnumber as the group. User's rights are based off of their gidnumber which is the same as a group gidnumber, but they aren't explicitly connected
[17:29:18] <potter_>	 !log
[17:29:34] <hackenschmidt>	 e.g. cn=admin has a gidnumber attribute of 9000 and some user has a  gidnumber attribute of 9000 and another may have a  gidnumber attribute of 9001
[17:37:24] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Add block-options to Special:CentralAuth - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/18182  +comment (10Platonides)
[17:42:41] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: awjrichards; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.20wmf1) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5185
[17:42:42] <gerrit-wm>	 Change abandoned: awjrichards; "(no reason)" [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.20wmf1) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5185
[17:42:45] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: awjrichards; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.20wmf1) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5206
[17:42:47] <gerrit-wm>	 Change abandoned: awjrichards; "(no reason)" [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.20wmf1) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5206
[17:42:50] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: awjrichards; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.20wmf1) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5194
[17:42:51] <gerrit-wm>	 Change abandoned: awjrichards; "(no reason)" [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.20wmf1) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5194
[17:42:55] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: awjrichards; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.20wmf1) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5193
[17:42:56] <gerrit-wm>	 Change abandoned: awjrichards; "(no reason)" [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.20wmf1) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5193
[17:42:59] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: awjrichards; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.20wmf1) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5180
[17:43:00] <gerrit-wm>	 Change abandoned: awjrichards; "(no reason)" [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.20wmf1) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5180
[17:43:40] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Deploy extension Memento on Wikipedia sites - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34778  +comment (10Max Semenik)
[17:47:48] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) Rerun populateParentId from some IDs (English Wikipedia) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34981  (10Jarry1250)
[17:58:39] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Saving a page should not need a full page reload - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36184  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[18:00:23] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Deploy extension Memento on Wikipedia sites - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34778  +comment (10Platonides)
[18:03:26] <robla>	 AaronSchulz: here's the patch: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/112366
[18:03:45] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Prevent search engines from indexing the user namespace in German Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36181  +comment (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[18:04:19] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Fix namespace alias on Hindi Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36183   +shell (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[18:05:32] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Prevent search engines from indexing the user namespace in German Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36181  +comment (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[18:05:46] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Fix namespace alias on Hindi Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36183  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[18:06:09] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Switching between desktop and mobile view should redirect to canonical URLs - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36182  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[18:07:29] <awjr>	 anybody else getting nothing but 503 errors with gerrit?
[18:07:45] <awjr>	 ^demon, RoanKattouw ^
[18:08:04] <RoanKattouw>	 Yes, Gerrit is restarting, see -dev
[18:08:14] <awjr>	 yah thanks RoanKattouw
[18:08:20] <RoanKattouw>	 It does that when you change the config file
[18:08:34] <RoanKattouw>	 When it comes back up we'll have magic links for r12345
[18:11:54] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) rebuildall.php invalid input syntax for integer: "NULL" at character 149 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36179   +postgresql; +comment (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[18:12:44] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) xml dump files should include magic words - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36178  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[18:15:01] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Transcluding a Special: page causes reference list to reset. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36177  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[18:15:21] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) dump should include tables.sql - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36176  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[18:16:37] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Whitespace fixer to gerrit - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36169  normal->15enhancement (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[18:17:02] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Rerun populateParentId from some IDs (English Wikipedia) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34981  +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[18:19:07] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Whitespace fixer to gerrit - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36169  +comment (10Chad H.)
[18:19:22] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) The links on imagemap should contain information about "missing article" and "external link". - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36175   +patch-need-review (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[18:19:56] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) The links on imagemap should contain information about "missing article" and "external link". - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36175  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[18:23:20] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Alow indexing of redirects - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36174  +comment (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[18:23:40] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Scrolling on Nokia E75 is slow - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/32773  +comment (10Luc)
[18:23:48] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Demon; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/GlobalUsage] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5437
[18:23:51] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Demon; [mediawiki/extensions/GlobalUsage] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5437
[18:24:50] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Demon; "Minor w/s issue, otherwise looks ok." [mediawiki/extensions/OpenStackManager] (master); V: 0 C: 1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5162
[18:25:22] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Demon; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/OpenStackManager] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5164
[18:25:24] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Demon; [mediawiki/extensions/OpenStackManager] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5164
[18:25:50] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Script adding a redundant row - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33682  +comment (10Pikne)
[18:29:34] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Demon; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/CentralNotice] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4375
[18:29:37] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Demon; [mediawiki/extensions/CentralNotice] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4375
[18:30:12] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Demon; "Trailing w/s introduced, otherwise looks ok." [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master); V: 0 C: 1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4386
[18:30:46] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Demon; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/Math] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4492
[18:30:49] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Demon; [mediawiki/extensions/Math] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4492
[18:30:54] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Scrolling on Nokia E75 is slow - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/32773  +comment (10Jon)
[18:31:46] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Ryan Lane; "Hm. I can't either." [mediawiki/extensions/OpenStackManager] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5220
[18:32:03] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Script adding a redundant row - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33682  +comment (10Beau)
[18:32:30] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Demon; "AllTimeZones.php introduced some trailing whitespace. Otherwise looks ok." [mediawiki/extensions/AllTimeZones] (master); V: 0 C: 1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5559
[18:33:13] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Reedy; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/OpenStackManager] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5162
[18:33:24] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Demon; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4352
[18:33:26] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Demon; [mediawiki/extensions] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4352
[18:33:46] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Reedy; "Big file is big." [mediawiki/extensions/OpenStackManager] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5220
[18:36:13] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Reha Sterbin; "Workaround for bug #36138" [mediawiki/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5] (master) C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5496
[18:37:34] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) rebuildall.php invalid input syntax for integer: "NULL" at character 149 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36179  +comment (10David)
[18:37:35] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Thumbnail with a certain (round) width not generated - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/30251  +comment (10Pikne)
[18:38:01] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Catrope; "I can view the diff just fine." [mediawiki/extensions/OpenStackManager] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5220
[18:42:21] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Aaron Schulz; "Added hook to let us copy thumbnails into additional places as they are transformed." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5627
[18:43:45] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Deploy extension Memento on Wikipedia sites - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34778  +comment (10Max Semenik)
[18:43:45] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: jenkins-bot; "Build Successful " [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 1 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5627
[18:44:39] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Enable FlaggedRevs on Ukrainian Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33273  +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[18:49:08] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Ryan Lane; "I can in firefox, I can't in chrome." [mediawiki/extensions/OpenStackManager] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5220
[18:51:26] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Ryan Lane; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/OpenStackManager] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5220
[18:51:29] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Ryan Lane; [mediawiki/extensions/OpenStackManager] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5220
[18:53:08] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Alex Monk; "Done a bit of deglobalisation." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5591
[18:54:34] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: jenkins-bot; "Build Successful " [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 1 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5591
[18:55:30] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Ryan Lane; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/OpenStackManager] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5165
[18:55:32] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Ryan Lane; [mediawiki/extensions/OpenStackManager] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5165
[19:00:41] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Weird half-speed touch scrolling intermittent under iOS 5 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35932  +comment (10Yuvi Panda)
[19:01:30] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) Blackberry port of PhoneGap app - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31976  +comment (10Phil Chang)
[19:01:58] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Diff logic should not compare the addition of templates to text - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36185 normal; MediaWiki: History/Diffs; (johnnymrninja)
[19:07:14] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Prevent search engines from indexing the user namespace in German Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36181  +comment (10Jonathan Haas)
[19:07:26] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Unclear/useless error message - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36170   +upstream (10Chad H.)
[19:08:00] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Catrope; "Fix magic $ aliasing in ResourceLoader" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5628
[19:08:27] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Retry search message even with data connection - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36186 normal; Wikipedia App: Search; (philinje)
[19:09:21] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: jenkins-bot; "Build Successful " [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 1 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5628
[19:13:45] <wikibugs>	 14(DUP) Whitespace fixer to gerrit - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36169  +comment (10Chad H.)
[19:13:46] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Enable hook to block addition of trailing whitespace - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35600  +comment (10Chad H.)
[19:15:00] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Commit message on diff not updated after a new one is provided with --amend - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35816  +comment (10Chad H.)
[19:15:23] <Soli>	 hackenschmidt: Yeah, I didn't quite understood where you're going with that. Maybe http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:LDAP_Authentication/Options#Group_options could help...
[19:16:48] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Commit message on diff not updated after a new one is provided with --amend - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35816  +comment (10Chad H.)
[19:17:34] <Soli>	 hackenschmidt: Or $wgLDAPAuthAttribute = array( "testADdomain"=>"(gidnumber=2)" );
[19:17:48] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: L10n-bot; "Localisation updates from http://translatewiki.net." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5630
[19:17:52] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: gerrit2; "Auto-approving/merging l10n updates" [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5630
[19:17:52] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: gerrit2; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5630
[19:18:56] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: IAlex; "We use PHP 5, there not need to assign the variables by reference." [mediawiki/core] (master) C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5591
[19:19:09] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: jenkins-bot; "Build Successful " [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 1 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5630
[19:21:13] <hackenschmidt>	 Soli, ya, i've been trying to get that to work, no luck yet
[19:21:21] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Alex Monk; "Done a bit of deglobalisation." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5591
[19:21:22] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Aaron Schulz; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5628
[19:21:25] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Aaron Schulz; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5628
[19:22:28] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Catrope; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5496
[19:22:30] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Catrope; [mediawiki/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5496
[19:22:45] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: jenkins-bot; "Build Successful " [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 1 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5591
[19:23:08] <hackenschmidt>	 Soli, the auth attribute check is failing, 
[19:23:15] <hackenschmidt>	 not sure why.....
[19:24:56] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Using browser's find function causes "watch" text to appear under watchlist star - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36161  (10Chris)
[19:24:58] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Demon; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/AntiSpoof] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5332
[19:25:00] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Demon; [mediawiki/extensions/AntiSpoof] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5332
[19:35:16] <potter>	 sumanah: hi
[19:35:21] <sumanah>	 hi potter 
[19:35:32] <sumanah>	 My sympathies.
[19:37:21] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Enable full IPv6 support on Wikimedia wikis (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35540  +comment (10Asher Feldman)
[19:39:35] <hackenschmidt>	 Apparently, I'm not using it right.165 $wgLDAPAuthAttribute = array ("DOMAIN" => "(gidnumber=1000)" );
[19:39:54] <chughakshay16>	 freakolowsky,hi
[19:40:06] <chughakshay16>	 freakolowsky,this may be the happiest night of my life :))
[19:40:16] <hackenschmidt>	 $wgLDAPAuthAttribute = array ("CS" => "gidnumber" ); works fine
[19:40:20] <chughakshay16>	 sumanah, hi sumana
[19:40:27] <hackenschmidt>	 Soli, but not terribly usefull
[19:40:27] <sumanah>	 hi chughakshay16 and congratulations!
[19:40:37] <chughakshay16>	 sumanah,thanks a lot !!
[19:40:43] <sumanah>	 chughakshay16: and now you work to prove that we were right to accept you. :D ;-)
[19:41:01] <wikibugs>	 14(DUP) "Parseline" group is shown on Special:ListGroupRights instead of the actual user groups - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36113  +comment (10Roan Kattouw)
[19:41:01] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Remove groups from own account: parseinline - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35920  +comment (10Roan Kattouw)
[19:41:02] <hackenschmidt>	 anyone else used the LDAPAuthAttribute succesfully?
[19:41:02] <chughakshay16>	 sumanah, yes i will, thanks so much for believing in me :)
[19:41:55] <chughakshay16>	 sumanah, I got to know from ur mail only.. as melange is down
[19:42:04] <chughakshay16>	 sumanah,:)
[19:42:07] <freakolowsky>	 chughakshay16: congratz!!
[19:42:07] <sumanah>	 chughakshay16: it's pretty frustrating!
[19:42:28] <sumanah>	 chughakshay16: I decided that it was 1900 UTC already and the students SHOULD know
[19:42:55] <sumanah>	 chughakshay16: the blog post is a little more detailed, for the benefit of the larger Wikimedia community
[19:43:59] <Soli>	 hackenschmidt: Maybe put something on the Talk page on the wiki about your setup. Someone else could shed a different light. I know Ryan have been helpful with various LDAP setups.
[19:44:00] <wikibugs>	 04(REOPENED) Blackberry port of PhoneGap app - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31976  +comment (10Brion Vibber)
[19:44:58] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Remove groups from own account: parseinline - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35920  +comment (10Roan Kattouw)
[19:47:46] <potter>	 chughakshay16: congrats
[19:49:32] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: L10n-bot; "Localisation updates from http://translatewiki.net." [mediawiki/extensions/AbuseFilter] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5631
[19:49:36] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: gerrit2; "Auto-approving/merging l10n updates" [mediawiki/extensions/AbuseFilter] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5631
[19:49:36] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: gerrit2; [mediawiki/extensions/AbuseFilter] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5631
[19:49:39] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: L10n-bot; "Localisation updates from http://translatewiki.net." [mediawiki/extensions/AntiSpoof] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5632
[19:49:42] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: gerrit2; "Auto-approving/merging l10n updates" [mediawiki/extensions/AntiSpoof] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5632
[19:49:43] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: gerrit2; [mediawiki/extensions/AntiSpoof] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5632
[19:49:45] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: L10n-bot; "Localisation updates from http://translatewiki.net." [mediawiki/extensions/ApiSandbox] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5633
[19:49:49] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: gerrit2; "Auto-approving/merging l10n updates" [mediawiki/extensions/ApiSandbox] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5633
[19:49:49] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: gerrit2; [mediawiki/extensions/ApiSandbox] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5633
[19:49:52] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: L10n-bot; "Localisation updates from http://translatewiki.net." [mediawiki/extensions/ArticleFeedback] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5634
[19:49:56] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: gerrit2; "Auto-approving/merging l10n updates" [mediawiki/extensions/ArticleFeedback] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5634
[19:49:56] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: gerrit2; [mediawiki/extensions/ArticleFeedback] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5634
[19:49:59] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: L10n-bot; "Localisation updates from http://translatewiki.net." [mediawiki/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5635
[19:50:25] <^demon>	 Nikerabbit: I'm working on that right now. Hopefully I'll have a patch in by the end of today.
[19:50:41] <Nikerabbit>	 ^demon: it's not bothering me, except the emails
[19:50:42] <Krenair>	 https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#change,5547 Was this no good?
[19:50:56] <hackenschmidt>	 Soli, i can't seem to get debugging turned on
[19:54:11] <Nikerabbit>	 what a lovely day
[19:54:18] <sumanah>	 yes
[19:54:18] <Nikerabbit>	 I can smell the birds singing
[19:54:23] <sumanah>	 hmmm
[19:54:34] <Nikerabbit>	 spring in the air
[19:54:58] <Platonides>	 Nikerabbit, in which country are you right now?
[19:55:07] <Platonides>	 hello, sumanah
[19:55:10] <sumanah>	 Congrats Platonides!
[19:55:11] <Nikerabbit>	 Platonides: the usual one, and that isn't Russia
[19:55:22] <sumanah>	 hi there srikanthlogic 
[19:55:55] <sumanah>	 YuviPanda:  srikanthlogic - IIUC 5 of the 9 students we accepted this year are in South Asia.  It would be great to get all of them to the Bangalore hackfest
[19:56:25] * MaxSem  looks for students....

[19:56:37] <YuviPanda>	 sumanah: the unofficial one happening next month or the official one happening later this yeaer?
[19:56:51] <sumanah>	 YuviPanda: srikanthlogic: (Ankur, Akshay, Ashish, Suhas, Nischay)
[19:56:54] <MaxSem>	 Platonides, congrats!
[19:56:58] <sumanah>	 YuviPanda: I'm talking about the one in May
[19:57:02] <sumanah>	 the unofficial one
[19:57:28] <^demon>	 Krenair: Actually, you're not as far off as I thought. I left more comments.
[19:57:31] <YuviPanda>	 sumanah: it would be nice! 
[19:57:33] <MaxSem>	 nischayn22, congrats!
[19:57:38] <YuviPanda>	 nischayn22: ^^
[19:57:43] <sumanah>	 YuviPanda: nischayn22, congrats, and happy hacking :)
[19:57:49] <MaxSem>	 anyone else?
[19:58:00] <potter>	 did i hear bangalore hackfest??
[19:58:07] <sumanah>	 !events | potter 
[19:58:20] <Krenair>	 ^demon: Yeah I saw. Just not entirely sure how to get the user who submitted the change
[19:58:37] <Amgine>	 <grumbles @ sumanah> 
[19:58:39] <potter>	 !events
[19:58:40] <YuviPanda>	 potter: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Bangalore_Hackathon_May_2012
[19:58:47] <sumanah>	 potter: I dented/tweeted about it from @MediaWikiMeet but perhaps YuviPanda & srikanthlogic have not yet emailed about it to wikitech-l
[19:58:48] <sumanah>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Bangalore_Hackathon_May_2012
[19:58:48] <codurr>	 03raymond * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/115014> 10/trunk/extensions/ (10 files in 10 dirs): Localisation updates from http://translatewiki.net.
[19:58:54] <MaxSem>	 sumanah, will there be that icebreaker event we discussed?
[19:59:01] <sumanah>	 Amgine: I'm sorry, what is the grumbling?
[19:59:22] <Amgine>	 The MCN event/Lori
[19:59:29] <potter>	 YuviPanda: thats too far from my home
[19:59:30] <sumanah>	 MaxSem: yes, I do intend on that! I'm thinking that next week would be good, what do you think?
[19:59:36] <Amgine>	 </teasing by the way>
[19:59:37] <potter>	 YuviPanda: but i will come :)
[19:59:40] <sumanah>	 Amgine: "grumble" .... oh ok
[19:59:44] <YuviPanda>	 :)
[19:59:53] <YuviPanda>	 potter: register!
[19:59:54] <nischayn22>	 sumanah: MaxSem , YuviPanda thanks :)
[19:59:56] <^demon>	 Krenair: Is the username syntax for options.uploader not the same as options.author?
[20:00:17] <sumanah>	 potter: YuviPanda: srikanthlogic - is there any way that WM India could help out a bit by providing some sponsorships to help students get to the event?
[20:00:39] <MaxSem>	 sumanah, yeah
[20:00:42] <dragonito>	 hi there
[20:00:48] <srikanthlogic>	 sumanah: hmm may be they could.. how many folks would want them ?
[20:00:55] <Krenair>	 ^demon: In comment-added, the author should be the author of the comment... In theory
[20:00:57] <sumanah>	 also, YuviPanda & srikanthlogic, about how many registrants do you have for the May event?
[20:01:00] <sumanah>	 hi dragonito 
[20:01:14] <srikanthlogic>	 sumanah: 15 so far, but just one round of publicity out..
[20:01:20] <dragonito>	 could i ask some clean url questions? Have a little problem :)
[20:01:22] <Krenair>	 And in change-merged, submitter should be the user who merged the change?
[20:01:25] * srikanthlogic  makes a note2self to spam more

[20:01:37] <YuviPanda>	 sumanah: we like keeping it to around 25-30, trimming as necessary.
[20:01:38] <sumanah>	 srikanthlogic: I don't know how many of those 5 would want sponsorships - I haven't asked them yet.  
[20:01:47] <sumanah>	 dragonito: go ahead and ask!
[20:01:52] <sumanah>	 !prettyurl
[20:01:57] <sumanah>	 oh right, bot is broken or something
[20:01:58] <YuviPanda>	 sumanah: srikanthlogic just checked. 22 :)
[20:01:59] <^demon>	 Krenair: Right, but I'm wondering if it's the same "L10n-bot (l10n-bot@translatewiki.net)" that we use for uploader, or if it's a different syntax.
[20:02:02] <dragonito>	 ;)
[20:02:23] <dragonito>	 ive got links like this in my lexicon http://www.kroatien-lexikon.de/index.php/Zagreb
[20:02:38] <YuviPanda>	 sumanah: if you have their emails, want to get an email thread going?
[20:02:40] <dragonito>	 but you can also use http://www.kroatien-lexikon.de/Zagreb
[20:03:01] <dragonito>	 the internal Linking is with index.php
[20:03:08] <dragonito>	 like the first link
[20:03:14] <potter>	 sumanah: are you free for 10 min?
[20:03:27] <dragonito>	 how can i remove this for internal linkinks
[20:03:41] <sumanah>	 MaxSem: I think this would be a "basic media fundamentals" intro about mailing lists & about IRC
[20:03:48] <sumanah>	 potter: ok
[20:04:08] <MaxSem>	 sumanah, drag them all into one place, make them talk
[20:04:14] <sumanah>	 MaxSem: yes yes
[20:04:14] <Platonides>	 thanks, sumanah, MaxSem
[20:04:20] <sumanah>	 Platonides: :D
[20:04:26] <sumanah>	 nischayn22: also :D
[20:04:41] <dragonito>	 the mainpage also goes automaticly to http://www.kroatien-lexikon.de/ this index.php/Hauptseite
[20:04:42] <chughakshay16>	 YuviPanda, hello yuvi,
[20:04:55] <Platonides>	 I saw that I should ask you what to do, but thought I'd better wait a bit for it :)
[20:04:57] <^demon>	 Krenair: Actually, from looking at the logs I'm pretty sure in comment-added and change-merged it'll be "L10n-bot" without the e-mail address. We'll need an extra entry in templates/gerrit/hookconfig.py.erb
[20:05:00] <YuviPanda>	 heya chughakshay16 
[20:05:07] <nischayn22>	 wish we had potter too
[20:05:13] <chughakshay16>	 YuviPanda,i m in bangalore .. looking forward for wikimedia hackfest in bangalore
[20:05:13] <Platonides>	 btw, did you see the bug where I CCd you?
[20:05:15] <dragonito>	 Any ideas? :)
[20:05:17] <sumanah>	 chughakshay16: nischayn22 - I'll email about this, but, Bangalore hackathon in May - thought about attending?
[20:05:21] <YuviPanda>	 chughakshay16: nice!
[20:05:22] <sumanah>	 dragonito: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Pretty_URLs - read it?
[20:05:24] <YuviPanda>	 chughakshay16: register!
[20:05:25] <sumanah>	 (have you read it?0
[20:05:26] <sumanah>	 )
[20:05:30] <dragonito>	 yes i read it
[20:05:39] <sumanah>	 Platonides: I think I did, remind me of the name?
[20:05:54] <sumanah>	 Platonides: hm, maybe I asked you to respond on the bug (to the newbie), can't recall
[20:05:59] <nischayn22>	 sumanah: Going home on May 10th , Bangalore is far from home :(
[20:06:00] <Platonides>	 a guy was willing to make the changes but was new in open source
[20:06:15] <sumanah>	 Platonides: aha! yes, Krenair responded onbug at my request
[20:06:29] <Platonides>	 ah, ok
[20:06:42] <sumanah>	 Platonides: and I was happy that you responded to Michael as well
[20:06:50] <Platonides>	 a couple of us replied with pointers, but just you keep an eye on it, too
[20:06:55] <sumanah>	 Platonides: it makes me happy that others liaise and help and keep me in the loop
[20:06:58] <sumanah>	 right! sounds good!
[20:07:03] <sumanah>	 High-five!
[20:07:04] <sumanah>	 o/
[20:07:07] <Platonides>	 hehe :)
[20:07:47] <sumanah>	 nischayn22: :/ I would very much like for all the GSoC participants this year to get to at least one in-person event between now and Aug 22, and the Bangalore hackday is the best opportunity for our Indian contributors
[20:08:39] <sumanah>	 nischayn22: so, if you had financial sponsorship, would you be able to go to the Bangalore hackday on 19 May?
[20:10:14] <nischayn22>	 sumanah: its about 3000km from my home, takes 5hrs for a flight journey even; if I had financial sponsorship I would love to come
[20:10:31] <sumanah>	 nischayn22: about how much financial sponsorship would it cost?
[20:10:36] <MaxSem>	 sumanah, the link in Jarry's project description is wrong, it should be https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/File:TranslateSvg.ogv
[20:10:54] <sumanah>	 MaxSem: is this in my blog entry? or in Max's wiki page?
[20:10:55] * nischayn22  is checking

[20:11:13] <srikanthlogic>	 sumanah: participatory grants might help if its flight tickets, //not sure chapter has *enough* funds
[20:11:18] <MaxSem>	 on https://blog.wikimedia.org/2012/04/23/wmf-selects-9-students-for-gsoc/
[20:11:56] <MaxSem>	 it should point to https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/File:TranslateSvg.ogv instead of that JPG
[20:12:10] <sumanah>	 MaxSem: no, you don't understand
[20:12:22] <sumanah>	 MaxSem: I'm pointing to a random JPG that has a multilingual caption
[20:12:35] <nischayn22>	 sumanah: 15000 INR, that's pretty costly I think
[20:12:41] <sumanah>	 MaxSem: as an example 
[20:12:51] <sumanah>	 it's on purpose.
[20:13:01] <MaxSem>	 sumanah, the project is about translating SVGs, not CSS magic on Commons
[20:13:25] <sumanah>	 MaxSem: yes. but by analogy, the point is to make it possible for people to share info about/in images.
[20:13:31] <MaxSem>	 multilanguage captions on Commons have nothing to do with this
[20:13:41] <sumanah>	 So I think they're alike and the point of this blog entry is to talk to a lay audience.
[20:13:44] <nischayn22>	 Bangalore is so near to my college, and so far from home :(
[20:13:50] <MaxSem>	 this example is misleading
[20:14:28] <sumanah>	 MaxSem: Blargh.  OK, let me think of something else to say that actually helps the random reader understand why this is cool
[20:14:46] <sumanah>	 MaxSem: I still think my analogy is fine, but you object and I shall be nice and give in.
[20:15:50] <Platonides>	 well, I too thing that linking to a page with the caption in several languages doesn't help
[20:16:01] <Platonides>	 that's just text
[20:16:20] <Platonides>	 what about an image with labels as numbers?
[20:16:23] <Daniel_WMDE_>	 sumanah: yay, gsoc is up :)
[20:16:27] <sumanah>	 Daniel_WMDE_: :)
[20:16:30] <Daniel_WMDE_>	 sorry for not helping out much 
[20:16:46] <sumanah>	 Daniel_WMDE_: You have your hands full with another project to aid the Wikimedia movement
[20:16:48] <sumanah>	 it's fine :)
[20:16:52] <sumanah>	 Platonides: gimme an example?
[20:17:37] <Platonides>	 heh, I was hoping to let you do the work to find out one xD
[20:18:21] <chughakshay16>	 nischayn22, congrats !! :)
[20:18:26] <Platonides>	 see for instance https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ri%C3%B1%C3%B3n#Anatom.C3.ADa
[20:18:39] <nischayn22>	 chughakshay16: hey,thanks and same to you!
[20:18:47] <chughakshay16>	 nischayn22,n congrats everyone else who got selected this year.. :)
[20:18:49] <Platonides>	 that's https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Kidney_PioM.png
[20:18:58] <Platonides>	 the actual file has numbers for the different parts
[20:19:08] <srikanthlogic>	 nischayn22: I shall check up with chapter / find alternatives (participatory grants), but are you ok in joining if you get funds ?
[20:19:17] <Platonides>	 and it's localized to 7 languages
[20:20:15] <sumanah>	 Thanks Platonides!!
[20:20:34] <nischayn22>	 srikanthlogic: Yes, I want to join desperately. But you know how far is Guwahati from Bangalore
[20:20:52] <nischayn22>	 *Guwahati is
[20:21:24] <srikanthlogic>	 nischayn22: I know there is a 3 day train in which I used to commute blr-chn leg.. :P
[20:21:44] <sumanah>	 Platonides: MaxSem - updated blog post.
[20:21:56] <MaxSem>	 thx
[20:22:03] <sumanah>	 "All readers and editors benefit when we can use a single picture or animation in different language wikis (example, use). Harry aims to allow contributors to localize the text embedded within vector files (SVGs). WMF engineer Max Semenik is mentoring this project."
[20:22:34] <nischayn22>	 srikanthlogic: yes, I have had many such 3 day journeys , but now I feel like they are a waste of time, though it saves money
[20:22:51] <nischayn22>	 srikanthlogic: so I take flights :P
[20:22:59] <srikanthlogic>	 MaxSem: ^^ such a tool already existed on toolserver right ? does this project enhance the same ?
[20:23:29] <MaxSem>	 no
[20:23:34] <sumanah>	 srikanthlogic: you should click through and read the links in the blog entry :D
[20:23:38] <MaxSem>	 TranslateSVG is https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/File:TranslateSvg.ogv
[20:24:02] <srikanthlogic>	 sumanah: :D sorry 
[20:24:17] <sumanah>	 srikanthlogic: I know how it is
[20:24:23] <sumanah>	 one gets excited about a prospect
[20:24:56] <srikanthlogic>	 but remember once I had used such tool and that didnt work.. //always wanted to localize those amazing svg maps by planemad
[20:25:23] <sumanah>	 srikanthlogic: send a note to Harry with links to the maps
[20:25:33] <sumanah>	 srikanthlogic: maybe those maps can be his showcase/test subjects
[20:25:58] <srikanthlogic>	 sumanah: will do surely, it will be a good test for edge cases..
[20:26:14] <sumanah>	 srikanthlogic: better yet, leave links on his GSoC proposal
[20:26:17] <sumanah>	 or in the talk page!
[20:26:20] * sumanah  is excited

[20:28:55] <codurr>	 03preilly * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/115015> 10/branches/wmf/1.19wmf1/extensions/ZeroRatedMobileAccess/ZeroRatedMobileAccess.i18n.php: 1.19wmf: MFG Change-Id: If963bab623da57529644b32dac6f29d7747cbe5b
[20:30:18] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) rebuildall.php invalid input syntax for integer: "NULL" at character 149 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36179  +comment (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[20:35:16] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) HTML tags shouldn't be escaped before passing to MathJax - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36059  +comment (10nageh)
[20:36:44] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Unable to open diff in Gerrit - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36172   +upstream (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[20:40:19] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Imports from Wikibooks - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36171   +shell (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[20:40:50] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Unable to open diff in Gerrit - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36172  +comment (10Platonides)
[20:41:14] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Unclear/useless error message - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36170  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[20:42:03] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Brion VIBBER; "add dummy file FAKEFILE" [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.20wmf1) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5668
[20:42:11] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Commits from the l10n-bot should not spam emails - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36168  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[20:42:25] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Brion VIBBER; "i love it! (it shouldn't let me do this)" [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.20wmf1); V: 0 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5668
[20:43:04] <ToAruShiroiNeko>	 Brion VIBBER loves it
[20:43:09] <RotaryHead>	 hello
[20:43:23] <RotaryHead>	 i have some newb questions if someone could be so kind to help
[20:43:26] <RotaryHead>	 :P
[20:43:32] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: jenkins-bot; "Build Successful " [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.20wmf1); V: 1 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5668
[20:44:01] <RotaryHead>	 i just started a wiki site [www.wikinavy.com] and i am trying to make the front page look like this: http://www.scriblink.com/index.jsp?act=phome&roomid=552&KEY=72D64EBF88CD41A588091BEFC6EC255B
[20:44:16] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Brion VIBBER; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.20wmf1); V: 0 C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5668
[20:44:18] <RotaryHead>	 anyone got any tips on how to make this possible?
[20:45:03] <Platonides>	 RotaryHead, I just get Loading Your Whiteboard
[20:45:03] <Platonides>	 Java 1.5 or greater required (www.java.com). If you are using a corporate computer, a firewall may be blocking the site (port 3322).
[20:45:45] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Brion VIBBER; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.20wmf1); V: 0 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5668
[20:46:15] <RotaryHead>	 Plantoindes: http://www.scriblink.com/index.jsp?act=getbimg&dir=1&in=img552-668.png
[20:46:39] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Brion VIBBER; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.20wmf1); V: 0 C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5668
[20:47:03] <RotaryHead>	 Plantoindes: this might be better http://www.scriblink.com/brimgs/img552-668.png
[20:47:05] <wikibugs>	 03(UNCONFIRMED) Parser::setFunctionTagHook() produces non-removed UNIQ markers when the tag is defined right after section start === ... === in page wikitext - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36140  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[20:47:05] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) UNIQ issues (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/26213  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[20:47:34] <Platonides>	 RotaryHead, I guess you want the text so it can be read without turning your screen :)
[20:47:43] <RotaryHead>	 xD
[20:47:43] <p858snake|l>	 mode q
[20:47:48] <Platonides>	 it seems easy with a few tables
[20:47:51] <Platonides>	 a bit harder with CSS
[20:48:07] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jpostlethwaite; "(mingle-fr-2012-2) Adds support for AUTHENTICATIONINDICATOR in forms." [mediawiki/extensions/DonationInterface] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5669
[20:48:08] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Image thumbnail on Commons throwing a 500 internal server error (Varnish Guru Meditation) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36166  +comment (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[20:48:18] <RotaryHead>	 Plantonides: if i just used dreamweaver to make it, could i just copy and paste the code?
[20:49:53] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Brion VIBBER; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.20wmf1); V: 0 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5668
[20:50:36] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Make Wikimedia ShortUrl short URLs even shorter using an Apache rewrite rule - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36164  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[20:50:49] <RotaryHead>	 Plantonides: i tried with tables, but i can't get them to work x_x
[20:51:03] <RotaryHead>	 Platonides*
[20:51:45] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Catrope; "Test change for Gerrit permissions testing" [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.20wmf1) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5670
[20:52:44] <RotaryHead>	 is there a wikinewbs channel?
[20:52:50] <RotaryHead>	 wikinewbs*
[20:52:53] <RotaryHead>	 :/
[20:53:12] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: jenkins-bot; "Build Successful " [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.20wmf1); V: 1 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5670
[20:53:19] <Krenair>	  /join #wikinews ?
[20:53:46] <Krenair>	 Oh you did mean that
[20:54:16] <RotaryHead>	 Krenair: i'd just like a little help is all
[20:54:27] <Ryan_Lane>	 vvv: yes
[20:54:33] <Ryan_Lane>	 wait. wrong channel
[20:54:51] <wikibugs>	 14(WFM) page will not load - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36154  +comment (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[20:57:42] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Not all the marked sections are recognised - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/32596  +comment (10Patrick Reilly)
[21:06:09] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jpostlethwaite; "Preventing strict error from being generated." [mediawiki/extensions/DonationInterface] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5671
[21:14:52] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) [TestSwarm] rename git jobs - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36143  +comment (10Antoine "hashar" Musso)
[21:17:13] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Demon; "Brion's a vandal!" [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.20wmf1); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5668
[21:21:17] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Demon; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/ProofreadPage] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4773
[21:21:20] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Demon; [mediawiki/extensions/ProofreadPage] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4773
[21:22:11] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Demon; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/ProofreadPage] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4849
[21:22:13] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Demon; [mediawiki/extensions/ProofreadPage] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4849
[21:23:48] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Demon; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/OAI] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4557
[21:23:51] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Demon; [mediawiki/extensions/OAI] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4557
[21:24:49] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Demon; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/AbuseFilter] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4884
[21:24:51] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Demon; [mediawiki/extensions/AbuseFilter] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4884
[21:25:12] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Demon; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/TimedMediaHandler] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4800
[21:25:15] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Demon; [mediawiki/extensions/TimedMediaHandler] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4800
[21:28:32] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Demon; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/DonationInterface] (master); V: 0 C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5671
[21:38:11] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Inconsistencies with protected pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33304  (10Rob Lanphier)
[21:41:10] <vvv>	 So, this channel finally got rid of its CIA patronage? :)
[21:42:08] <Reedy>	 Finally?
[21:42:22] <Reedy>	 codurr has offloaded it for a while
[21:42:54] <gost1k>	 hollo everyone!
[21:43:25] <gost1k>	 can someone help me whis wiki ?
[21:44:06] <MaxSem>	 gost1k, go on
[21:44:23] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Provide an API to rotate an image - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33186  (10Rob Lanphier)
[21:44:43] <gost1k>	 need to install "content(hide)" and how do images
[21:45:05] <gost1k>	 rus?
[21:45:57] <gost1k>	 i just install. and poor understand how do this)
[21:46:25] <gost1k>	 and cann't find in FAQ
[21:46:28] <Platonides>	 !images
[21:47:00] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Improve Special:Translate logging - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35136  +comment (10Elen of the Roads)
[21:47:08] <Platonides>	 !uploads
[21:47:11] <p858snake|l>	 vvv: we still have it, just not directly, cia-* reports in #mediawiki-codereview which codurr echos into here but adds links to the revision
[21:47:17] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Use parameter types in ApiSandbox - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/32740  +comment (10Rob Lanphier)
[21:47:29] <p858snake|l>	 which is why we han't used it directly for years
[21:47:29] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jpostlethwaite; "(mingle-fr-2012-116) Client IPA was being used instead of Server IPA" [mediawiki/extensions/DonationInterface] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5675
[21:47:54] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Catrope; "Looks good overall but I'm worried about what will happen on wikis that have user JS or site JS disa..." [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4326
[21:48:28] <gost1k>	 someone help :)
[21:48:55] <MaxSem>	 gost1k, I don't think anyone understood you
[21:49:07] <p858snake|l>	 gost1k: can you be more descriptive than "content(hide)"?
[21:49:18] <MaxSem>	 надо языки-то знать, батенька
[21:49:40] <gost1k>	 ну простите чем богаты
[21:49:41] <gost1k>	 How to make content with the hide button,
[21:50:29] <gost1k>	 сможешь помочь чуток разобратся?
[21:50:50] <gost1k>	 а то я загребся в документацию и сижу уже дурею)
[21:52:00] <MaxSem>	 gost1k, https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Collapsible_elements
[21:52:56] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Implement a way to bring GitHub pull requests on https://github.com/wikimedia/mediawiki-core into Gerrit - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35497  +comment (10Erik Moeller)
[21:53:35] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Image page provides links to image resolutions greater than those supported by image scalars - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34041  (10Rob Lanphier)
[21:53:51] <gost1k>	 а навигация как я понимаю за счет знака # ?
[21:55:42] <gost1k>	 и еще. где весь набор классов желательно с примерами
[21:56:58] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Image page provides links to image resolutions greater than those supported by image scalars - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34041  +comment (10Antoine "hashar" Musso)
[21:57:54] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Renaming user causes conflicting usernames in deleted file histories - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33452  -platformeng +shell (10Rob Lanphier)
[21:58:26] <MaxSem>	 яких классов?
[21:58:37] <gost1k>	 для оформления контента страницы.
[21:58:51] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jpostlethwaite; "Moved statement inside if block." [mediawiki/extensions/DonationInterface] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5677
[21:58:59] <gost1k>	 таблицы шрифты тот же collapsible разновидности
[21:59:21] <gost1k>	 и вообще как попасть в админку :D
[21:59:39] <gost1k>	 посмотреть список то чего уже добавили другие пользователи
[22:00:31] <MaxSem>	 gost1k, https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Contents
[22:01:22] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Catrope; "Add --wikidom flag to parse.js" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4386
[22:01:45] <gost1k>	 а обсолютный путь для картинки можно создавать с http:// или только из дериктории?
[22:02:58] <MaxSem>	 усё в хелпах написано
[22:03:15] <MaxSem>	 внешние картинки нужно отжельно включать
[22:03:16] <Lcawte>	 Is the source code of the mobile apps for the Wikipedia app in one of the vcs' ?
[22:03:23] <RoanKattouw>	 I think that's on github?
[22:03:24] <Reedy>	 Yes
[22:03:24] <jpostlethwaite>	 ^demon: I am not sure if I need to do anything else in review for your comment:
[22:03:25] <jpostlethwaite>	 https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#change,5671
[22:03:26] <gost1k>	 ладно спасибо за ссылки будем изучать) и про админку тоже можно линк?
[22:03:30] <Reedy>	 They have been since day 1? :/
[22:03:35] <RoanKattouw>	 YuviPanda would know
[22:03:39] <Reedy>	 https://github.com/wikimedia
[22:03:43] <MaxSem>	 нету админки
[22:03:57] <YuviPanda>	 they're on github
[22:04:00] <MaxSem>	 есть свежие правки и списки наблюдения
[22:04:10] <YuviPanda>	 we'll be moving to gerrit in the near future though
[22:04:11] <YuviPanda>	 not sure when
[22:04:18] <YuviPanda>	 we'll still want to accept contribs from github
[22:04:21] <gost1k>	 а как к ним получить доступ на просмотр и одобрения нового матерьяла
[22:04:39] <MaxSem>	 гыгы
[22:04:45] <MaxSem>	 это вики
[22:04:57] <MaxSem>	 Jarry1250, congrats;)
[22:05:01] <Jarry1250>	 MaxSem: :D
[22:05:06] <gost1k>	 эм
[22:05:15] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Catrope; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4386
[22:05:16] <MaxSem>	 gost1k, всё сразу публикуется
[22:05:19] <Lcawte>	 Reedy: Awesome, thanks
[22:05:29] <gost1k>	 оу. а хотя бы посмотреть что добавили?))
[22:05:37] <gost1k>	 а то мне там щас напишут :D
[22:06:26] <Lcawte>	 Cool cool, GPL 2, that means I can use it for a rather simple wiki app then... or atleast, modify it down a bit ^.^
[22:06:53] <MaxSem>	 Lcawte, GPL 3 is not an option? :P
[22:07:13] <Lcawte>	 GPL 2 is what the COPYING file in the current Git says the mobile app is under
[22:07:20] <Lcawte>	 Hmm, and then the mobile app gets pages served by MobileFrontend the extension right?
[22:07:21] <Jarry1250>	 MaxSem: Next two weeks will be SVG analysis, testing Extension:Translate, and hopefully getting to know our top translators a little better.
[22:07:33] <YuviPanda>	 Lcawte: we just changed it to use the API instead of MobileFrontend
[22:07:43] <Lcawte>	 Ok
[22:07:51] <YuviPanda>	 Lcawte: also, there's #wikimedia-mobile :)
[22:08:13] <MaxSem>	 Jarry1250, do you know other languages so you could have a real practice with Translate?
[22:08:15] <YuviPanda>	 Lcawte: feel free to poke me with questions about the app. It's now at a reasonably okay level, after having started as an unholy mess.
[22:08:15] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Improve Special:Translate logging - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35136  +comment (10Marcin Cieślak)
[22:08:33] <gost1k>	 MaxSem, подскажи пожалуйста где список последних матерьялов
[22:08:54] <MaxSem>	 ссылка на хелп была
[22:08:58] <Lcawte>	 And it uses PhoneGap which means you can write apps with HTML/CSS/JS from what I heard... hmmm
[22:09:04] <MaxSem>	 там оно третье поп опрядку
[22:09:24] <Jarry1250>	 MaxSem: Well, I've got to get to know the code anyway, so I'll probably try and set it up a little locally. But I have used TranslateWiki.net in the past.
[22:09:28] * Lcawte  wonders if his irc clients encoding is messed up or if people are pasting random characters to each other

[22:09:44] <YuviPanda>	 Lcawte: that is russian :)
[22:09:45] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Improve Special:Translate logging - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35136  +comment (10Marcin Cieślak)
[22:09:46] <gost1k>	 ок спасибо большое за помощь пойду изучать
[22:09:58] <Lcawte>	 Yeah, my IRC client is messed up.
[22:10:00] <YuviPanda>	 Lcawte: it is HTML/CSS/JS, with all the advantages and the maddeningly killer disadvantages :)
[22:10:12] * MaxSem  throws a hieroglyph at Lcawte

[22:10:22] <Reedy>	 Lcawte: it's russian spammers
[22:11:04] <YuviPanda>	 Reedy: you mean Russian hackers
[22:11:12] <Lcawte>	 Ugh, ok, I really should be doing my PE homework for tomorrow... but that requires me going downstairs and getting my textbook, and its easier just to go to bed...
[22:11:25] <codurr>	 03awjrichards * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/115016> 10/branches/wmf/1.19wmf1/extensions/MobileFrontend/ (20 files in 6 dirs): MFG Change-Id: 782ab823d7ab672ef5e849631a47cdf8eae49410
[22:11:32] <vvv>	 Lcawte: you're not using UTF-8 apparently
[22:11:41] <Reedy>	 That too
[22:12:40] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) iOS 4.2 Large article loading is slow while we inject content into the dom - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35843  (10Yuvi Panda)
[22:12:55] <Lcawte>	 Ok, that should be better...
[22:13:02] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) iOS 4.2 Large article loading is slow while we inject content into the dom - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35843  +comment (10Yuvi Panda)
[22:17:13] <Lcawte>	 Woo, setting UTF8 in KVIrc's options fixed it... hmm, PE homework on David Beckham and training programs... yeah, I'll take the detention...night everyone
[22:20:13] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) rebuildall.php invalid input syntax for integer: "NULL" at character 149 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36179  +comment (10Marcin Cieślak)
[22:23:05] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) rebuildall.php invalid input syntax for integer: "NULL" at character 149 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36179  +comment (10Chad H.)
[22:24:33] <Sid-G>	 Does anyone remember/know what interface message can be used to put a notice when someone tries to create a new article? (An editnotice-like thing which comes up only when creating new articles)
[22:26:57] <Juandev>	 hi
[22:27:54] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Tim Starling; "(bug 34041) Remove bogus 10000x10000 pixel option" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5678
[22:29:19] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: jenkins-bot; "Build Successful " [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 1 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5678
[22:30:38] <Krenair>	 That's interesting.
[22:30:50] <Krenair>	 I got an email about ^demon restoring my change.
[22:30:51] <sumanah>	 hi Krenair! How are you?
[22:31:01] <Krenair>	 But the top line of the message is Demon has abandoned this change.
[22:31:06] <Krenair>	 and Gerrit-MessageType: abandon
[22:31:08] <Krenair>	 hi sumanah 
[22:31:18] <^demon>	 Prolly an upstream bug :(
[22:31:48] <Krenair>	 sumanah: Okayish. I posted those links on the bug I showed you
[22:31:55] <sumanah>	 Krenair: Thank you for that.
[22:32:02] <Krenair>	 Platonides came along and did a much better job than me though :/
[22:32:06] <sumanah>	 Krenair: and I am cc'd so I shall be aware
[22:32:24] <sumanah>	 Krenair: well now you know for next time :-)  and I really do appreciate it that you reached out to me and gave Michael those links
[22:32:38] <sumanah>	 Krenair: because now, from Michael's perspective, there are at least 2 people who replied to help him
[22:32:43] <sumanah>	 which is twice as reassuring and welcoming :)
[22:32:56] <Krenair>	 :)
[22:33:21] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Unable to open diff in Gerrit - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36172  +comment (10Chad H.)
[22:33:31] <sumanah>	 Krenair: I think you're on the right track in general - I look at http://blog.melchua.com/2012/04/12/cognitive-apprenticeship-case-studies-in-software-engineering/ and I think of you
[22:35:01] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Timestamp in timel should mark its timezone - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33454  +comment (10Tim Starling)
[22:35:30] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Problems when entering literal <dt> or <dd> - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/22542  +comment (10Marcin Cieślak)
[22:35:32] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Image page provides links to image resolutions greater than those supported by image scalars - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34041  +comment (10Tim Starling)
[22:36:33] <^demon>	 Krenair: Can you forward me the e-mail? I'm filing a bug upstream.
[22:36:43] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Wikitext in list items written in HTML not properly parsed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/10893  +comment (10Marcin Cieślak)
[22:36:43] <Krenair>	 sumanah: thanks
[22:36:59] <sumanah>	 hey saper, got a moment?
[22:37:10] <sumanah>	 Krenair: :)
[22:37:35] <Krenair>	 ^demon, chadh@wikimedia.org?
[22:37:41] <^demon>	 Yeah
[22:37:43] <^demon>	 Thanks
[22:37:55] <Krenair>	 ok
[22:37:59] <Krenair>	 should be done
[22:38:10] <Krenair>	 I've got to go now. thanks and bye all
[22:39:05] <sumanah>	 Bye!
[22:41:18] <varnent>	 sumanah: fyi - I'm heading to the wilderness for a couple days and will be "offline"
[22:41:19] <sumanah>	 MaxSem: also during the Community Bonding Period I want students to have experience with:
[22:41:20] <sumanah>	 * writing release notes
[22:41:20] <sumanah>	 * triaging bugs
[22:41:20] <sumanah>	 * testing a new feature
[22:41:20] <sumanah>	 * committing, commenting on, and merging code with Gerrit
[22:41:25] <sumanah>	 varnent: ah yes. what day will you be back?
[22:41:38] <varnent>	 sumanah: wednesday night
[22:41:46] <MaxSem>	 Jarry1250, ^^^
[22:41:46] <varnent>	 so 1.65 days  :)
[22:41:47] <sumanah>	 MaxSem: but of course git/gerrit + communications are most urgent
[22:41:59] <sumanah>	 hi Jarry1250! happy April 23rd and congratulations.
[22:42:04] <^demon>	 Krenair: Filed upstream. http://code.google.com/p/gerrit/issues/detail?id=1348 in case you're interested in following it.
[22:42:06] <sumanah>	 varnent: aha! thanks.
[22:42:30] <Jarry1250>	 sumana: Thanks :) (Now the hard part starts! :D ) Just responding to your email re Berlin, btw.
[22:42:36] <varnent>	 ^demon: do you want to try and get the git training scheduled? like May 4ish..
[22:42:38] <sumanah>	 Jarry1250: understood.
[22:42:56] <Sid-G>	 varnent:Training on Star Wars Day, niiiiice
[22:43:04] <^demon>	 varnent: That sounds doable. Can you e-mail me? I'm about to head out for dinner.
[22:43:09] <varnent>	 will do
[22:43:36] <varnent>	 sumanah: I'll cc you - can you plz forward to anyone else you think would be appropriate?  :)
[22:43:49] <sumanah>	 varnent: you're talking about the git trainings?
[22:43:52] <sumanah>	 varnent: ok
[22:43:56] <Sid-G>	 Does anyone remember/know what interface message can be used to put a notice when someone tries to create a new article? (An editnotice-like thing which comes up only when creating new articles)
[22:44:02] <varnent>	 sumanah: yup - ty!  :)
[22:45:13] <sumanah>	 Jarry1250: btw, http://blog.melchua.com/2012/04/12/cognitive-apprenticeship-case-studies-in-software-engineering/ is one of the reasons I want GSoC participants to get a somewhat broad understanding of our software creation & deployment process over the next month
[22:46:12] <Jarry1250>	 sumanah: Yeah, I'll give it a look. Obviously, I have a little headstart compared to some of the other students (though not all) in that regard, but I shan't be complacent in any case.
[22:46:27] <sumanah>	 Jarry1250: Great. Yeah, I'm glad you understand :)
[22:46:59] <sumanah>	 Jarry1250: I hope that you, Platonides, Ashish, and SPQRobin can sometimes also help the other 5 students a little when they don't know How We Do Things Around Here.
[22:47:29] <sumanah>	 Jarry1250: While of course also encouraging them to communicate publicly, in IRC and on mailing lists.  Because That's What We Do Around Here. :D
[22:47:50] <Jarry1250>	 sumanah: Of course, I look forward to it :) (I love the Capitalisation Thing btw, it reminds me of Terry Pratchett.)
[22:48:11] <sumanah>	 Now I want to make a reference to the Vimes Shoe Theorem but I'm not sure how to work out a connection.....
[22:48:24] <sumanah>	 also maybe I could be Death, if I had smallcaps
[22:50:59] <RotaryHead>	 sumanah: hello!
[22:53:15] <Jarry1250>	 (sumanah: the golems Speak Like This To Illustrate The Fact That They Are Big And Intimidating. :) )
[22:54:01] <RotaryHead>	 hello Jarry1250 and sumanah… i have a question to di with mediawikw
[22:54:05] <RotaryHead>	 mediawiki
[22:56:52] <Sid-G>	 sumanah: hey u know ml?
[22:59:24] <Jarry1250>	 RotaryHead: Sorry, I figured you were going to continue there. Please do :)
[22:59:56] <RotaryHead>	 :)
[23:00:12] <RotaryHead>	 I'm used to being ignored for being too newblike i guess
[23:00:27] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Image thumbnail on Commons throwing a 500 internal server error (Varnish Guru Meditation) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36166  +comment (10MZMcBride)
[23:01:14] <RotaryHead>	 I'm learning the wikicode stuff.. trying to make the main page for my website www.wikinavy.com. Here is my current progress: http://wikinavy.com/index.php?title=Main_Page_Dev
[23:01:49] <RotaryHead>	 I would like User Info, Editor Info and New Posts to all be next to all be in the same row
[23:01:57] <RotaryHead>	 and welcome to wikinavy.com to be centred
[23:01:57] <RotaryHead>	 b
[23:02:10] <RotaryHead>	 but i can't figure out how to position tables
[23:02:37] <Sid-G>	 RotaryHead: some html code works in wiki
[23:04:35] <RotaryHead>	 i was trying to use the code for wikipedia-en main page as a guide
[23:04:52] <RotaryHead>	 but i can't figure  out how they position some tables on the right and some on the left
[23:07:43] <Sid-G>	 RotaryHead: the tables are nested inside one another
[23:07:50] <Joan>	 It's true.
[23:08:12] <Sid-G>	 RotaryHead: that way there's one table in the left cell of the outer table, and one table in the right cell of the outer table
[23:08:40] <Sid-G>	 RotaryHead: does that make sense to u?
[23:09:00] <Sid-G>	 RotaryHead: btw, cute logo
[23:12:17] <RotaryHead>	 Sid-G: so there is an invisible table?
[23:12:41] <Sid-G>	 RotaryHead: you could say that
[23:15:04] <Sid-G>	 RotaryHead: its you who's applied the background
[23:15:21] <Sid-G>	 RotaryHead: see http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Tables for detailed help
[23:15:42] <RotaryHead>	 but how do you centre a table within a table
[23:15:50] <RotaryHead>	 because one of my tables is left aligned
[23:16:47] <Sid-G>	 use align="right" just before the cell in which the subtable is present
[23:17:47] <RotaryHead>	 so align="right" | {| table|} 
[23:18:11] <Sid-G>	 RotaryHead: wait a sec
[23:18:15] <Sid-G>	 RotaryHead: fixing
[23:19:55] <Sid-G>	 RotaryHead: this could take some time
[23:20:14] <RotaryHead>	 im confused >.<
[23:21:03] <Sid-G>	 RotaryHead: you used too complex styling
[23:21:18] <Sid-G>	 RotaryHead: tables are really confusing. read the link i gave
[23:21:41] <RotaryHead>	 i have read that link
[23:21:58] <RotaryHead>	 it does not have much regarding tables within tables
[23:22:03] <Sid-G>	 hmm
[23:22:39] <Sid-G>	 see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Table then
[23:23:30] <RotaryHead>	 read that too :P
[23:24:06] <RotaryHead>	 :O
[23:24:08] <RotaryHead>	 float!
[23:30:25] <codurr>	 03catrope * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/115017> 10/trunk/tools/mwmultiversion/scripts/: Delete scripts directory, duplicated in operations/puppet.git in files/misc/scripts
[23:31:09] <Joan>	 Lcawte|Away: Does codurr need any adjustments?
[23:31:23] <AaronSchulz>	 RoanKattouw: I can't +2 https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#change,publish,4652,2
[23:31:48] <RoanKattouw>	 AaronSchulz: Of course you can't, it's in the operations/puppet repo
[23:31:58] <RoanKattouw>	 Your impressive powers only extend to mediawiki/*
[23:33:10] <AaronSchulz>	 can you not +2 there or where you just waiting on someone to look it over?
[23:33:35] <RoanKattouw>	 I can't +2 there either
[23:34:12] <RoanKattouw>	 I do have the ability to edit ACLs so in theory I could give myself +2 permissions, but that would be evil
[23:34:28] <RoanKattouw>	 I would be chased out of the building by a very rowdy ops dept :)
[23:37:47] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) can't see text entered in search box - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36187 normal; Wikipedia App: Search; (genny615)
[23:38:49] <Sid-G>	 RotaryHead: this is probably closer to what u want http://pastebin.com/G3UxEaei
[23:38:59] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) can't see text entered in search box - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36187  (10Genese Williams)
[23:39:24] <Sid-G>	 Does anyone remember/know what interface message can be used to put a notice when someone tries to create a new article? (An editnotice-like thing which comes up only when creating new articles)
[23:41:08] <RotaryHead>	 Sid-G: sort of
[23:41:56] <Sid-G>	 RotaryHead: you dont need a new table for every line
[23:42:29] <inductiveload>	 Sid-G: MediaWiki:Newarticletext ?
[23:42:39] <Sid-G>	 RotaryHead: http://pastebin.com/Z0wQYqYv
[23:42:45] * Sid-G  looks

[23:42:51] <RotaryHead>	 Sid-G: did i? 
[23:43:02] <Sid-G>	 RotaryHead: what?
[23:43:33] <Sid-G>	 RotaryHead: try the code at http://pastebin.com/Z0wQYqYv
[23:43:47] <RotaryHead>	 i have 
[23:44:24] <Sid-G>	 RotaryHead: i dont see it there
[23:45:04] <Sid-G>	 inductiveload: thanks :)
[23:45:23] <inductiveload>	 Sid-G: you're welcome :-)
[23:54:27] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Article Feedback Page Layout - Switch 'Sort by' and 'Showing' and related issues - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36188 normal; MediaWiki extensions: ArticleFeedbackv5; (fflorin)
[23:55:02] <tmm360>	 hello, I have a wiki with a tree of categories with the CategoryTree extension in the sidebar...
[23:55:16] <tmm360>	 how can I show also pages in the tree?
[23:56:15] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Article Feedback Page Layout - Switch 'Sort by' and 'Showing' and related issues - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36188  +comment (10Fabrice Florin)
[23:56:40] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Article Feedback Page Layout - Switch 'Sort by' and 'Showing' and related issues - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36188  normal->major;  +aftv5-1.5 (10Fabrice Florin)
[23:58:33] <codurr>	 03erik * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/115018> 10/trunk/extensions/CodeEditor/CodeEditor.i18n.php:
[23:58:33] <codurr>	 Change "Toggle syntax highlighting" to "Toggle code editor"
[23:58:33] <codurr>	 Since the code editor adds line numbers, support for tab indentation,
[23:58:34] <codurr>	 code folding, and other features, summarizing this as "syntax highlighting"
[23:58:35] <codurr>	 is misleading.