[00:01:37] 03(mod) [TestSwarm] Link to user/MediaWiki from home page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/29551 +comment (10Krinkle) [00:01:59] 03(mod) [TestSwarm] Link to user/MediaWiki from home page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/29551 (10Krinkle) [00:02:25] vvv: what? [00:02:41] Amgine: euphonious [00:05:19] vvv: "French chapter" > (euphony) than "Weekend Testing America" ?? [00:05:50] Well, I do not know whether French chapter of WTA exists [00:09:00] Ah. Well, I'm still unsure which collection of phonemes & syllables is considered more pleasant, but I'll trust your judgement and agree with you. [00:18:35] 03(mod) PHP Fatal error: FormatJson.php cannot load required Services_JSON.php - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36562 +comment (10T. Gries) [00:27:12] 03(mod) [Regression] broke Edittools for Special:Upload - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31682 +comment (10Subfader) [00:27:49] Beau_, nice to see that your preferences API change got approved [00:29:16] 03(mod) On Special:MovePage add option to "Fix double redirects" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36538 +comment (10Subfader) [01:13:30] 03(FIXED) On Special:MovePage add option to "Fix double redirects" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36538 +comment (10Subfader) [01:22:23] 03(mod) Server is slow - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35499 +comment (10Hazard-SJ) [01:34:31] Hello. I? having unusual issues with MediaWiki. Im setting up a wiki for my personal website and followed the installation instructions published on the MediaWiki website. After installing, I go to index.php and and told to set up the wiki. After clicking on the link to set up MediaWiki, the page doesn load and spits a �Connection Interrupted� error (from the web browser, not the software). I know the server I am installing the software [01:34:31] on is compatbile with MediaWiki and is up to date, and every other part of my personal website works. What could be wrong? Is there a log file I can view on the server to fix this? Im sorry if this is a nooby question, I? new to MediaWiki. Thanks [01:49:49] Hello. I report pywikipedia bugs in the "Tools" product, right? [01:50:43] No I don't. I finally found the place :) [01:54:47] New review: Demon; "Really, Import should be fixed so it doesn't explode on unrecognized tags :(" [mediawiki/core] (REL1_16); V: 0 C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/6717 [01:56:08] New review: Demon; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: -1; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/6710 [01:57:27] New review: Demon; "(Pressed submit too early, comments are as follows)" [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: -1; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/6710 [01:59:50] robla: May 5 10:58:10 10.0.11.38 apache2[12437]: PHP Notice: FSFileBackend::doStoreInternal: copy() failed but returned true. in /usr/local/apache/common-local/php-1.20wmf2/includes/filerepo/backend/FSFileBackend.php on line 182 [02:00:02] two from today, so far, on Store ops :) [02:15:07] Does mediawiki have to be in the folder "www" when you're hosting it? [02:16:44] John__K: If you want it to be visible on the web, but you can also put it in a subdirectory for similar results. [02:16:59] ("www" = "public_html") [02:17:05] oh ok. [02:17:42] What about the parent directory of "public_html" do I add anything on there? [02:17:51] New review: Demon; "Does this really need release notes? PHP doesn't care even if you decided to write it WFCGITOARRAY()..." [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/6711 [02:19:08] can someone tell me how a bot can avoid a filter that says WARN (no logging) yet can be captured/logged by the same filter [02:19:12] John__K: If you put it somewhere other than the "public_html" (same as "www" in most cases) of a subdirectory of it, it will not be visible on the web. [02:19:36] Ahh ok. [02:19:37] I downloaded mediawiki and it's giving me this error message for some apparent reason: " (Can't contact the database server: Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO) (localhost)) " [02:19:48] 03(mod) Remove some Git-control files from distribution package - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36474 +comment (10Chad H.) [02:20:14] John__K: Have you created a database for your MediaWiki installation? [02:21:10] Like install/configure PHP/mysql/apache/phpmyadmin? I don't know where you're going with this. [02:22:38] 03(mod) Generating thumbnails does not work when there is no access to /tmp - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36475 -patch-need-review +patch-reviewed; +comment (10Chad H.) [02:27:56] I have hobgoblins as a hobby. [02:45:23] 03(NEW) profanity on Mobile wiki, but not on web on my PC - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36563 normal; Wikipedia App: Generic; (bballwidow11) [02:45:42] 03(mod) Secondary and primary storage go out of sync on constraint violation in secondary storage - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36431 (10jeblad) [02:53:27] New patchset: Eloquence; "Generate client-side previews for GIF and PNG files." [mediawiki/extensions/UploadWizard] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/6721 [03:10:23] i tried gettign a checkout of branches/REL1_19/extensions, but since I'm on windows it converted all the line endings to windows style [03:11:11] what's the best way of getting snapshots of the extensions I need, while keeping them in unix style line endings? [03:11:32] i've tried going through the svnroot web interface, but that takes too long to get all the files i need [03:11:40] and extension distributor is borked :( [03:11:41] Prodi: You checked out using git? [03:11:46] no, svn [03:12:24] Prodi: Do you use git? [03:12:31] never touched it before... [03:12:39] Okay [03:12:52] and from what i understand [03:12:57] not all the extensions are moved over to git [03:13:01] and in addition [03:13:11] they don't follow the same branches that mediawiki core does [03:13:20] they can just branch whenever they feel like it [03:13:29] New review: Krinkle; "It is a change. Some people may care. It doesn't hurt." [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/6711 [03:13:36] Prodi: What do you mean by "windows style" line endings? I checkout from time to time with Windows and upload to a non-windows server. [03:14:02] i have my own repository for the code i run on my site [03:14:20] all the snapshots i used to get from extdist were unix style line endings [03:14:35] now i put in the stuff i got from the checkout, and they're all windows style line endings [03:14:47] and looks like every file changed [03:15:37] New patchset: Umherirrender; "(bug 33224) add variants of content language to meta=siteinfo" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/6713 [03:16:08] i've got 30 extensions running, and doing all those one file at a time would not be pleasant [03:16:09] New review: Umherirrender; "Rebased" [mediawiki/core] (master) C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/6713 [03:16:35] You could manually copy/paste the files' contents if there aren't many files. [03:17:01] New review: jenkins-bot; "Build Successful " [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 1 C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/6713 [03:17:42] i'm also wondering how this will work at 1.20 [03:17:56] since apparently there is no REL1_20 [03:17:57] New patchset: Eloquence; "Improvements to handling large files/batches." [mediawiki/extensions/UploadWizard] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/6722 [03:18:01] and won't be [03:18:36] 03(FIXED) add properties to output of action=parse - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/28814 +comment (10Umherirrender) [03:22:21] New review: Werdna; "I don't like this idea." [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: -2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/6710 [03:23:00] Prodi: I don't remember the cantrip, but you can google for it. svn can be told to use system line endings, *OR* a specific line ending type. [03:38:38] 12(Amgine12): I'm pretty sure that's one of the svn-props things, which is stored along with the repository [03:38:52] essentially, I just miss the ExtensionDistributor :( [03:39:03] and i'm dreading dealing with 1.20.... [03:41:44] New review: Aaron Schulz; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/6713 [03:41:47] Change merged: Aaron Schulz; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/6713 [03:42:29] Prodi: Try https://toolserver.org/~vvv/mw-nightly/ and get rid of what you don't want then. Ignore the "1.18alpha" text, that is outdated. [03:43:40] Prodi: 1.20 is fine. But if you want to fix the eol via svn as you download, read http://svnbook.red-bean.com/en/1.1/ch07s02.html and search for svn:eol-style section. [03:44:46] ooohhhh [03:44:54] New review: Krinkle; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/ApiSandbox] (master); V: 0 C: -1; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/6441 [03:46:32] Por favor, ¿alguien habla español? [03:46:58] Laura_Fiorucci: Un poco [03:47:07] :) Hazard-SJ [03:47:23] Prodi: You can easily grab the trunk versions of extensions in git (it sits next to the extension distributor link) which is what you will do for 1.20 [03:47:24] Vengo a quejarme por las negritas en la lista de seguimiento [03:47:27] ¿es aquí? [03:49:16] 12(p858snake|l12): but often the extensions are built for the latest version of mediawiki, whereas i usually run the latest stable (trunk -1) [03:49:18] Laura_Fiorucci: Usted puede presentar un error en https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org [03:49:44] Hazard-SJ: ¿bugzilla? [03:49:48] ok [03:49:56] Prodi: in most cases, espically with newer versions, those should still work [03:49:59] New review: Werdna; "Just a quick question, otherwise looks great. Thanks!" [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/6596 [03:49:59] Si, bugzilla. [03:50:03] kk [03:50:07] cause in older version [03:50:07] and we will most likely have ED working by then [03:50:10] things would break badly [03:50:11] No es un error, es un nuevo diseño de la wiki, Hazard-SJ [03:50:29] especially when ResourceLoader came in [03:50:42] Prodi: that is because of the time between releases usally [03:51:07] Prodi: Well of course things are going to break when we completely change how we handle our JS handling [03:51:13] :) [03:51:18] Hazard-SJ: gracias :) [03:51:30] which is why the separate directories for the branches was nice :) [03:51:41] Hazard-SJ: that toolserver.org link is outdated [03:52:08] Hazard-SJ: Using it for anything other than wanting to use mediawiki as it was at an unstable random point in February 2012 is bad [03:52:18] Krinkle: Doesn't it still snapshot? I know the page content is outdated. [03:52:33] Laura_Fiorucci: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=MediaWiki&component=Watchlist [03:52:33] It uses SVN, so it is outdated by definitino [03:52:43] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Download_from_Git [03:53:40] That's, what? the third time it has come up in the past 3 hours? [03:53:44] Krinkle: How do I compare checked out versions with "random" letters and numbers, as in with git? [03:53:54] Hazard-SJ: ? [03:54:36] I haven't tested it but GitWeb ( https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/gitweb?p=mediawiki/core.git ) has a snapshot link [03:55:11] you can use that to get a secondly (like nightly, but, like, the version as of right now :P - [03:55:12] https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/gitweb?p=mediawiki/core.git;a=snapshot;h=HEAD;hb=master;sf=tgz [03:55:14] that downloads a .tgz [03:55:14] (beware, it is a big download, the regular mediawiki) [03:55:22] Krinkle: Like comparing "6b0c9b3" (on MW.org) vs "82f3370" (on enwp.org) to know which is newer. [03:55:46] Which is never is not relevant [03:55:52] that wasn't relevant with svn either [03:55:56] because there can be a patch [03:56:32] e.g. enwp.org could be running (example of last year) on 1.18wmf1 with a patch from today, and mediawiki.org on 1.19wmf1 (last modified last week) [03:56:36] doesn't say anything [03:56:39] check the branch instead [03:57:02] New review: Werdna; "Looks great. Approved." [mediawiki/extensions/AbuseFilter] (master); V: 1 C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4954 [03:57:05] Change merged: Werdna; [mediawiki/extensions/AbuseFilter] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4954 [03:57:19] e.g. enwp.org could be running on r12945 and another wiki on r12948 and the r12945 might be "newer" [03:57:36] same with git hashes (except they are not numerical [03:58:05] "newer" how? :O isn't r12948 going to be considered a later commit, and hence "newer"? [03:58:20] Hazard-SJ: Okay, short explanation: [03:58:24] :) [03:59:07] Hazard-SJ: So you know we had (with svn) a "trunk" (the latest and greatest), certain release branches (REL1_17, REL1_18), and then the deployment branches (1.17wmf1, 1.18wmf1, 1.20wmf1, 1.20wmf2 etc.) [03:59:17] All of those were in the same "svn" repository [03:59:46] so the numerical assignment to revisions (r1234, r1235, r1236) were overall for all of that [04:00:21] so if John would make a change to trunk and get r1 and I make a change to REL1_17 and get r2 and then someone else makes a change to 1.20wmf2 and get r3 [04:00:40] so the commit IDs (r1234 or like "82f3370") don't say anything about which mediawiki version it is [04:01:05] Hazard-SJ: So the solution is to look for the branches [04:01:22] * Hazard-SJ understands what you mean now :) [04:01:24] "trunk", "REL1_19", "1.20wmf1", "1.20wmf2" [04:01:37] Because, at least at Wikimedia servers, the branches are always up to date [04:01:53] and in this case en.wikipedia is running on 1.20wmf1 and mediawiki.org on 1.20wmf2 [04:02:01] (almost up to date) [04:02:06] exactly as scheduled: http://mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki_1.20/wmf1 http://mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki_1.20/wmf2 [04:02:19] eh this link: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki_1.20/Roadmap [04:02:58] Krinkle: in git the branches are more flexible, right? you just "git co REL1_19" to shift your repo to the 1.19 release. Correct? [04:03:11] Amgine: Yes [04:03:38] of course becareful about changing to the past, because "git" only manages your files, not your database [04:03:58] if you upgrade wiki from 1.18 to 1.20 and run 'php update.php', then doing "go co REL1_18" is not a good idea :) [04:04:10] I think that's the thing many people get confused by. They may download the current version, but it also includes previous versions *including backports.* [04:04:12] but that is not new with git :) [04:04:32] heh. [04:05:10] Amgine: No, "people" install MediaWiki from a ZIP from the download page, that is not a git repository but just the real files [04:05:11] not with old versiosn [04:05:18] Dantman: how about you doing the gareth account systems? something that easily interfaced with ldap/other db backends? [04:06:01] "developers" can use git to work with the code and they will have the entire repository including old versions, and branches. just like with svn, except that it is faster and smaller (no copies into a ./branches directory but just checkout points and tags) [04:06:06] Well, *I* was confused by using git to get 1.20whatever, then 'checking out' 1.19 from it. [04:06:09] me specifically? [04:06:38] Hm. It looks like the only bureaucrat that actually monitors Project:Requests is Petrb. [04:06:59] I get emails when its changed [04:07:09] If you need something from an mw dev, use IRC :P [04:07:13] most of the stuff apart from renames doesn't need crats [04:07:50] Renames and bot/sysop requests need 'crats, that's it really. [04:08:44] Speaking of sysop rights, it looks like Eloquence didn't remove Thehelpfulone's temp adminship [04:09:23] meh [04:09:36] if they don't fuck around with their rights, we don't really care [04:09:59] Wow, that snapshot url from Gerrit is awesome [04:10:10] Thehelpfulone is trustworthy and won't fuck around with it [04:10:13] instant gzip snapshots of MediaWiki for master, release branches, tags, anything [04:10:27] * Krinkle is going to create a toolserver tool [04:14:00] Krinkle: Archives? Before you do anything funky using Gareth you should know that Git has native handling for building archives remotely [04:14:21] I'm not taking about Gareth [04:14:36] Krinkle: Sorry, ;) meant Gerrit [04:15:10] p858snake|l: Rather than `password` I use `auth` and prefix with "password$..." when local auth is being done. So really it's a matter of writing the ldap handling code. [04:15:11] And what git has is irrelevant, because the target audience here is people not using command line tools. Just a browser and a download link [04:15:12] and I know git has that, which is what I'll use [04:15:13] or rather, I'll let gerrit do it instead [04:16:01] I'm just saying, if you're building a toolserver tool that simply builds archives, it would probably be better to use a native git command than depend on Gerrit. [04:20:14] Krinkle: Is https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template%3ADelete-URAA eligible for deletion? [04:20:35] Why or why not? I don't' know [04:20:59] Not used: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Delete-URAA [04:21:04] Hazard-SJ: Why are you asking? [04:21:26] https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Delete-URAA&action=history [04:21:36] Nominate it if you're unsure, people will give feedback [04:25:00] Krinkle: I asked, because I think you're an admin there [04:25:33] Yep, but I haven't kept up to date with the latest stuff. For all I know there may be a very heavy debate on that template going on. [04:40:18] Do you guys know if there is any way to make a table of contents be minimized when the page is loaded for everybody? [04:44:40] yes Gordonrox24.
__TOC__
[04:46:19] The fact that I didn't think of that scares me. [04:46:21] thanks [04:49:08] Gordonrox24: Amgine: That hides the TOC completely, not even showing "Table of contents [show]" [04:49:36] [04:49:40] The TOC already has mw-collasible, and uses cookies to remember your choice [04:49:55] the mw-collapsible is on the list inside the TOC [04:50:02] and [show] / [hide] toggles it [04:50:07] Yeah I know it remembers your choice, but I want to force it to be collapsed. [04:50:15] for one page or for everybody [04:50:26] for everybody, on one page. [04:51:02] I don't think there is an easy way to do that [04:51:09] Why do you want to do that? [04:51:16] Maybe align it on the right instead of the left? [04:51:21] Krinkle: per-page-css? [04:51:26] Amgine: nope [04:51:28] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/RL/DM [04:52:14] Amgine's code starts to do the trick, however having the "Table of contents [Show]" would be perfect. It isn't for a wikimedia wiki. [04:53:14] Well, I can certainly see situations where having the TOC collapsed would be the preferred default. In fact, I can't see a benefit to making the TOC itself collapsible *because* it needs to be able to be set pre-collapsed. [04:54:37] One could probably write a simple extension that adds support for something like {{#toc|default=collapsed}} [04:54:57] Better to have __TOC__ and __TOCC__ [04:55:10] which will make sure that the collapsible list inside the TOC has mw-collapsed [04:55:11] but leaves the cookie system and heading intact [04:55:26] TOCC does not appear to help in any way to a novice, means nothing [04:55:40] As does __TOC__ [04:55:45] and even if C is obviously collapsed (which it isn't, might also mean [04:55:56] and even if C is obviously collapsed (which it isn't, might also mean "content"), then it is not obvious that it remains expandable. [04:56:03] TOC is a common abbrevation [04:56:12] In English. [04:56:16] Indeed [04:56:24] and it is localized [04:56:33] e.g. on Dutch Wikipedia one can use __INHOUD__ [04:56:45] hmm [04:56:46] and german wiki probably has __INHALT__ [04:57:02] but I take it you didn't know that [04:57:16] I would still guess the majority of users likely have no clue __TOC__ exists, and only discover it via Help:Magic Words [04:57:26] No, I didn't. [04:58:05] We have rather a lot of functionality available which is, generally, unknown and non-intuitive. [04:58:10] yeah. [04:58:49] alright thanks guys. You've given me a ton to go on. :D [04:59:13] yw Gordonrox24. [05:10:49] 03(NEW) TOC cannot be pre-collapsed on a per-page basis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36564 enhancement; MediaWiki: ResourceLoader; (Amgine.Saewyc) [05:11:57] 03(mod) Add magic word to make TOC collapsed by default - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36564 summary (10Krinkle) [05:19:23] Hmm... Extension:NewUserMessage doesn't seem to substitute the new user name; I only see {{{1}}} in the newly created user's talk page. :( [05:19:34] New patchset: Aaron Schulz; "Clarified "average review delay" stat." [mediawiki/extensions/FlaggedRevs] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/6723 [05:51:07] New patchset: IAlex; "Added missing GPLv2 headers in some places." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/6724 [05:52:33] New review: jenkins-bot; "Build Successful " [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 1 C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/6724 [05:56:58] 03(mod) MathJax: Several commands that work in texvc are not recognized - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35186 +comment (10Richard Morris) [06:00:27] New patchset: Werdna; "Add some documentation improvements to Views/AbuseFilterViewEdit.php" [mediawiki/extensions/AbuseFilter] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/6725 [06:08:10] 03(FIXED) add variants of content language to meta=siteinfo - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33224 +comment (10Umherirrender) [06:32:36] New review: Szymon ?wierkosz; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/core] (master) C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/6596 [06:35:28] hi [06:43:03] 03aaron * 10/trunk/extensions/ConfirmAccount/ConfirmAccount.config.php: Config comment tweaks [06:45:16] 03aaron * 10/trunk/extensions/ConfirmAccount/frontend/ (2 files in 2 dirs): HTML escaping fixes [06:45:28] New patchset: Werdna; "Abuse Filter: Allow filters to be split into "groups" for the purposes of operating them on different types of input." [mediawiki/extensions/AbuseFilter] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/6726 [06:54:19] New review: Werdna; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/6596 [07:07:39] New review: Szymon ?wierkosz; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/core] (master) C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/6596 [07:15:54] 03(mod) Replacing MemcachedClient.php memcache client with PECL memcache client - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36462 +comment (10Aaron Schulz) [07:27:05] 03(mod) WTA: Missing capitalisation on Hungarian wikisource page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36557 +comment (10Zoltan Molnar) [08:13:51] 03(NEW) MW 1.19: (Fatal error) BitmapHandler::escapeMagickPath: unexpected colon character in path name - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36565 normal; MediaWiki: File management; (jamesin.hongkong.1) [08:19:01] *grin* Would you believe me if I said I haven't finished writing diff output? http://gareth-review.com/snapshots/commit-diff-large-2012-05-06.png ;) [08:19:32] p858snake|l, vvv, ashley: ^ [08:19:44] Hello [08:20:07] The upload file button on special pages is missing what do I do? [08:20:20] Dantman: where's "(un)collapse all" button? [08:20:55] ;) One of the many diff features on the todo [08:21:47] !upload | Matrixiumn [08:21:58] bah the bot is MIA [08:22:06] 03(NEW) Null edits should be impossible - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36566 normal; MediaWiki: History/Diffs; (EN.WP.ST47) [08:22:23] Matrixiumn: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Configuring_file_uploads [08:22:48] Thanks :) [08:24:14] 871 ; Whether to allow HTTP file uploads. [08:24:15] 872 ; http://php.net/file-uploads [08:24:18] 873 file_uploads = On [08:26:21] ? [08:26:54] It's on [08:28:18] vvv: Syntax highlighting, unified diff, context collapse, wrap and no-wrap modes, Patience diff, whitespace and other options, and handling for special file types [08:28:35] Dantman: and how do I commit to that thing? [08:29:04] vvv: You commit to your public repo and it fetches from there [08:29:18] What about C/R? [08:29:29] nyuszika7h, Did you read the entire page? [08:29:34] Code review? [08:29:37] Yep [08:29:42] Matrixiumn: Yes [08:29:47] Okay [08:29:48] Hmm [08:30:15] Maybe restart the mediawiki server? [08:30:30] Or that mediawiki update thing [08:31:00] nyuszika7h, Ping [08:31:04] ^^ [08:31:07] Matrixiumn: pong [08:31:16] vvv: New commits can be put into review sets. Multiple or single commits. [08:31:22] What MediaWiki server? [08:31:33] Umm [08:31:46] Try that mediawiki update thing [08:31:54] What update thing? [08:31:58] I give up [08:32:00] :( [08:33:56] Does anyone have any suggestions? [08:36:50] Thanks nyuszika7h :) it works now. [08:37:07] You're welcome :) [08:37:30] Damn it [08:37:33] nyuszika7h, Could not create directory "mwstore://local-backend/local-public/d/d1". [08:37:36] :( [08:38:03] you to make sure where it is uploading to is writable by the webserver [08:38:12] nyuszika7h, Ping ^^ [08:38:45] nyuszika7h, How did you make the upload file button appear? [08:39:20] by default, its {mediawiki}/images [08:41:03] So I edit .htaccess ? [08:43:00] I don't know what to do :( [08:45:56] nyuszika7h, you to make sure where it is uploading to is writable by the webserver [08:46:03] I don't know how to do that. [08:46:10] I'm an idiot :( [08:49:34] Done [08:51:49] Thanks :) [09:03:15] 03(mod) Loading of a change for review in Gerrit is often very slow - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35612 +comment (10Amir E. Aharoni) [09:08:57] 03(mod) Loading of a change for review in Gerrit is often very slow - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35612 +comment (10Amir E. Aharoni) [09:12:07] hmm, should ShortURL allow people to specifiy other domains? [09:12:12] or just the domain the wiki is hosted at? [09:15:27] one wiki can have multiple domains... [09:18:33] yuvipanda: since it just points to Special:Shorturl/{id} the domain doesn't really matter [09:18:47] unless you are doing some fancy rewrite rules [09:19:05] s/really matter/shouldn't really matter/ [09:22:47] p858snake|l: so, I think it's a UI problem now [09:22:56] p858snake|l: the link is essentially just the raw URL written out [09:23:05] p858snake|l: Which, I think, makes sense. [09:23:44] so I'll need to figure out the domain name anyway [09:24:19] there is $wgServer... [09:24:35] I think that should do. [09:27:05] When I try to download the syntaxhiglight extention I get Invalid response from remote subversion client. [09:28:23] Nvm [09:33:59] Hmm [09:35:39] 03(NEW) pseudo "Category:Pages where expansion depth is exceeded" after install 1.20wmf2 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36567 normal; MediaWiki: Parser; (arload) [09:38:52] When I try to download any extention I get Invalid response from remote subversion client. [09:38:57] What do I do? [09:39:48] 03(NEW) "Illegal string offset 'LIMIT'" warning in includes/db/Database.php - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36568 minor; MediaWiki: Maintenance scripts; (edwardspec) [09:41:58] ugh ED is broken again [09:42:13] Extention downloader? [09:43:11] was it fixed after the git move at all? [09:43:27] yuvipanda: this is a seperate issue [09:44:05] ah [09:44:06] ok [09:44:53] Matrixiumn: Depending on the extension, you can click the git link next to the extension snapshot download [09:46:20] 03(NEW) ED Broken: Invalid response from remote subversion client - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36569 normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (p858snake) [09:46:29] Thank you :) [09:49:06] grr, mod_rewrite rules not having any effect at all [09:49:10] * yuvipanda kicks MAMP [09:50:50] New review: Khaled El Mansoury; "@Demon" [mediawiki/core] (master) C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/6710 [10:05:11] okay, MAMP wins. I give up ShortUrl for today [10:08:23] 03(mod) WTA - In Bosnian and Serbocroatian, Dobrodosli is written as one word, while in other Balkan languages as two words - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36541 +comment (10Karlo Smid) [10:12:13] 14(INVALID) WTA: Missing capitalisation on Hungarian wikisource page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36557 +comment (10Siebrand) [10:14:57] 03(mod) WTA: Inconsistent handling of cite - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36555 +comment (10Siebrand) [10:15:59] Is there a way I can download all the templates from a mediawiki. [10:16:04] Like Wikipedia [10:16:45] *mediawiki? [10:21:19] 03(mod) import several thousand wikis from wikiteam lists - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36265 +comment (10Daniel Zahn) [10:31:21] New review: Werdna; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/6596 [10:35:04] I'm trying git review [10:35:05] and get [10:35:05] ! [remote rejected] HEAD -> refs/for/master/bug/36164 (missing Change-Id in commit message) [10:35:09] thoughts? [10:36:11] nevermind [10:36:15] but that's sortof half-retarded [10:36:20] New patchset: Yuvipanda; "(bug 36164) Use PathRouter to do ShortURL routing" [mediawiki/extensions/ShortUrl] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/6728 [10:38:54] 03(mod) Make Wikimedia ShortUrl short URLs even shorter using an Apache rewrite rule - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36164 +comment (10Yuvi Panda) [10:46:02] 03(mod) MathJax: Several commands that work in texvc are not recognized - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35186 +comment (10nageh) [10:56:19] Is there a way I can download all the templates from a mediawiki? [11:08:54] What extention does mediawiki use for it's contents box? [11:23:20] 03(mod) MathJax: Several commands that work in texvc are not recognized - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35186 +comment (10nageh) [11:31:45] hi [11:31:47] how can i give my users an option to have an email sent everytime a new page is being created? [11:37:52] New patchset: Amire80; "Prevent listing of the same scheme more than once." [mediawiki/extensions/Narayam] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/6729 [11:46:08] hmm, I'm trying to download the latest versions of some extensions, but I keep getting 'Invalid response from remote subversion client.' [11:46:37] New patchset: Werdna; "Initial commit of Echo, a notifications framework for MediaWiki. This version is very rough. For an example set of Minimum Releasable Functionality, this version will notify users on changes to their watchlists or to their user talk pages." [mediawiki/extensions/Echo] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5972 [11:57:39] New review: Nikerabbit; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/Narayam] (master); V: 0 C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/6729 [11:59:13] dreamer, I'm getting that too. [12:00:37] 03(mod) Make Wikimedia ShortUrl short URLs even shorter using an Apache rewrite rule - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36164 +comment (10Daniel Friesen) [12:10:39] What extention does mediawiki use for it's contents box? [12:12:46] you mean the table of contents? [12:13:02] * st47 confused [12:14:48] Yes [12:14:58] Or is that a template? [12:17:29] can i pass a category for a page to be created via Inputbox extension? [12:19:56] No, it's not a template [12:20:03] it's actually part of the MediaWiki core [12:20:30] no extension necessary - the software adds it for you on any page with 3 or more sections, unless you override it with one of the magic words [12:22:33] sb1980: I believe you can "preload" certain text to the editbox, which could include a category, but I'm not aware of any way to prevent the user from accidentally deleting it [12:23:28] st47: that's alright then. if he deletes it, it's his problem ;) [12:23:59] Then see preload= on http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:InputBox [12:24:15] st47: thx [12:24:32] another question: can i hide wiki contents for users (or non users to be specific?) [12:27:32] you can but it's not really the point of mediawiki, so there's no guarantee that it's secure [12:28:03] mhttp://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Preventing_access [12:28:08] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Preventing_access [12:28:20] st47: preload= seems to cutoff my [[Category::News]] [12:28:46] I can't think of any reason why it'd do that [12:29:05] You're putting preload=Some_Other_Page, right, not just preload=[[Category:News]] [12:29:08] ? [12:29:31] st47: ah no, ok [12:29:35] K [12:29:48] It needs to load the content of some other page [12:30:16] I'm sure it's possible to do this without also including that other page in the category, but it's too early in the morning to thing about that [12:30:41] st47: works fine now! thx a lot [12:30:50] np [12:32:55] st47: your link is about preventing access to complete pages, but i want only a part (the Inputbox) to be only visible/editable by the admin. is that possible? [12:34:23] You might try http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ConditionalShow - but it is /very/ unmaintained. [12:37:22] huh, there are lot of red boxes on that page ;) maybe i leave it [12:37:45] The orange box on that page is important to you, the red box on that page isn't [12:39:28] 03(mod) jquery.makeCollapsible() very slow if many collapsible, initially collapsed elements - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34876 +comment (10TMg) [12:44:35] hmm, I can't download any extensions over git either. are both repos down or something? [12:46:14] st47, How do I make a sub headline to an already existing headline? [12:46:30] dreamer: I hope not [12:46:59] the download link on the wiki-page is linked to svn right? [12:47:14] I still get 'Invalid response from remote subversion client.' [12:47:31] Example? [12:47:44] git clone https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/p/mediawiki/extensions/.git gives 'fatal: remote error: Git repository not found' [12:47:45] https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/p/mediawiki/extensions works for me [12:48:04] st47: I see an empty repo [12:48:10] example of an extension? [12:48:19] Cite [12:48:43] oh, cite does work. eh UserMerge [12:48:56] (cite works only on git mind you. not the svn-download on the page) [12:49:09] Hm [12:49:20] Some extensions haven't been merged over to Git yet [12:49:22] 03(mod) Loading of a change for review in Gerrit is often very slow - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35612 +comment (10Chad H.) [12:49:30] ok, but still the svn seems completely down atm [12:49:36] but I would expect those extensions to not have links to git on their page [12:49:52] st47: yeah exactly. UserMerge has it [12:50:22] SVN is definately not completely down, http://svn.wikimedia.org/svnroot/mediawiki/ [12:50:26] works for me [12:50:59] So make sure you can ping/tracert to svn.wikimedia.org [12:51:22] is there a magicword for current headername? or to be broad - how do I make a link to edit the current section only [12:51:38] New review: Demon; "No, I think permissions are fine how they are--there's no problems." [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: -1; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/6710 [12:53:07] hecticsc: I can't think of any way to do that [12:53:24] ok, thanks [12:53:39] Matrixiumn: Can you be more specific? [12:54:59] 03(mod) Loading of a change for review in Gerrit is often very slow - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35612 +comment (10Amir E. Aharoni) [12:55:37] Like something is in the contents box and there is something under it labled 1.1 and it a little to the right of it. [12:55:39] st47: yeah, I can ping it fine. does the download-line on the UserMerge page work for you? (trying 1.18 btw, but for 1.19 should I just download trunk?) [12:55:47] st47, ^^ [12:55:53] st47: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:User_Merge_and_Delete [12:56:00] s/line/link [12:56:52] 03(mod) Loading of a change for review in Gerrit is often very slow - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35612 +comment (10Chad H.) [12:57:07] New review: Khaled El Mansoury; "@Demon" [mediawiki/core] (master) C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/6710 [12:58:21] New review: Werdna; "Why do you want to change the convention in the first place? It seems like a lot of unnecessary stre..." [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: -2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/6710 [12:59:16] New review: Demon; "I think when you visit Special:Block, there should be checkboxes for "Block upload right," "Block ed..." [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: -1; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/6710 [13:01:36] 03(mod) import several thousand wikis from wikiteam lists - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36265 +comment (10Robert Hanke) [13:03:22] Matrixiumn: Well if you already have == Section 1 == in the text, just add === Section 1.1 === in the text [13:03:38] Matrixiumn: or with one more set of equals signs around compared to whatever you already hav [13:03:41] e [13:04:13] dreamer: Yes [13:04:22] Checked out revision 115144 [13:06:04] Thanks :) [13:07:01] st47: eh, how do I do that? [13:07:29] svn co http://svn.wikimedia.org/svnroot/mediawiki/trunk/extensions/UserMerge/ [13:07:40] or svn checkout [13:08:03] if the extension gives me some output like this: UNIQ7110f0dc43f34a1c-cshow-00000003-QINU , what might be the problem? [13:08:55] New review: Khaled El Mansoury; "@Werdna" [mediawiki/core] (master) C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/6710 [13:10:01] st47: and how would I have found that? [13:10:19] st47: I meant the svn-download from the dropdown menu on the wiki [13:11:33] I'm looking at the infobox on the right of http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:User_Merge_and_Delete , in the download section, the link titled checkout-url [13:11:37] What link are you talking about [13:11:47] The download snapshot? [13:11:57] st47: ok, check. I was looking at the snapshot, yes [13:12:00] Ok [13:12:12] That probably should be made more clear [13:12:29] but the snapshot is a traditional download of just the content of the repository [13:12:43] but anyway. I assume that for mw1.19 I'm best off with the latest svn? [13:12:48] (or git, if available) [13:13:55] Not necessarily, some extensions will release "stable" versions whereas the stuff in git/svn is a development version [13:14:05] like mediawiki tarballs vs mediawiki SVN [13:14:19] yeah but if the tarballs are all broken. [13:14:26] (which they seem to be) [13:14:36] Then yes, latest is probably the best [13:14:49] (btw most extensions only display 1.18) [13:14:54] (the tarballs are /broken/? [13:15:01] New patchset: Petr Onderka; "Added result properties to action=paraminfo" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/6394 [13:15:06] st47: the download-link is broken [13:15:15] snapshot-thingy. bla :P [13:15:18] Yes, we know ED is broken [13:15:19] Yeah, that's because 1.19 is a total of 5 days old [13:15:25] and its not even setup for 1.19 [13:15:36] heh, that young yeah? (didn't realize hehe) [13:16:24] p858snake|l: I was wondering for a few seconds why Encyclopedia Dramatica hosted our extension tarballs [13:16:25] New review: jenkins-bot; "Build Successful " [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 1 C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/6394 [13:16:30] before I realized what you meant [13:17:24] dreamer: not really [13:17:32] 03(NEW) new possible wikifarms / hives detected - check for lists - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36570 enhancement; Wikimedia Labs: wikistats; (dzahn) [13:18:31] 03(FIXED) bug in array code blocks usage with certain versions of ArrayExtension - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36558 +comment (10Jeroen De Dauw) [13:18:39] p858snake|l: not really what? [13:18:42] 03(mod) new possible wikifarms / hives detected - check for lists - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36570 (10Daniel Zahn) [13:18:57] dreamer: 5 days old [13:19:05] 1.19 is a long story [13:19:12] heh, do tell ;) [13:19:33] lol [13:19:40] the release tarball is 5 days old [13:23:25] 03(FIXED) import several thousand wikis from wikiteam lists - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36265 +comment (10Daniel Zahn) [13:23:48] 03(mod) Create a wiki for the future chapter Wikimedia M�xico - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/29758 +comment (10Thehelpfulone) [13:26:47] New review: Platonides; "The import was rewritten in 1.17" [mediawiki/core] (REL1_16); V: 0 C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/6717 [13:27:42] 03(mod) new possible wikifarms / hives detected - check for lists - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36570 +comment (10Robert Hanke) [13:31:45] hey, MW1.19 has ConfirmEdit included? [13:36:38] dreamer: Yes [13:37:44] 03(mod) new possible wikifarms / hives detected - check for lists - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36570 +comment (10Daniel Zahn) [13:40:40] 03(mod) Cite error messages save UI language text into parser cache - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31216 +comment (10Gadget850) [13:46:47] 03(mod) Cite error messages save UI language text into parser cache - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31216 +comment (10Chad H.) [13:49:30] How can I download all the templates from wikipedia? [13:50:40] Matrixiumn: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Database_download [13:50:45] see pages-current [13:51:27] 03(NEW) Please lock wikimania2011 wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36571 normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (Thehelpfulonewiki) [13:51:54] 03(mod) Please lock wikimania2011 wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36571 +shell (10Thehelpfulone) [13:51:55] 03(mod) Wikis ready for closing (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/28985 (10Thehelpfulone) [13:52:36] 03(mod) Mismatched input syntax for Cite error messages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/17865 +comment (10Gadget850) [13:52:49] 03(mod) Please lock wikimania2011 wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36571 (10Thehelpfulone) [14:07:13] ^demon: got some time to fix the git repo of the Maps extension? [14:07:44] New patchset: Szymon ?wierkosz; "Move optionstoken from meta=userinfo to action=tokens." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/6596 [14:07:48] <^demon> Today? Not really :\ What was wrong again? [14:07:52] New review: jenkins-bot; "Build Failed " [mediawiki/core] (master); V: -1 C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/6596 [14:09:28] Blah, still can't commit to SVN :/ [14:09:36] ^demon: it's missing most of it's history for some reason [14:09:51] <^demon> Lcawte: To what in SVN? [14:10:08] 14:07:49 error: The requested URL returned error: 403 while accessing https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/p/mediawiki/core/info/refs [14:10:13] <^demon> JeroenDeDauw: Hrm, let me try a fresh dump of the history and then try to rebase current history on top. It'll take awhile. [14:10:14] ^demon: I'm a bit worried since someone has been submitting patches to the repo on gerrit that is missing th stuff, so might be non-trivial to fix this [14:10:14] jenkins is broken? [14:10:27] Wikimeida - Pywikipedia, same issue I've been having for a while... its tempting just to ask someone to rm -rf my keys file :/ [14:10:29] ^demon: ok, sounds good [14:10:43] https://integration.mediawiki.org/ci/job/MediaWiki-GIT-Fetching/1149/console [14:10:55] I can't use the export tool on wikipedia. [14:11:08] ^demon: FYI: I did the svn to git thing myself and then I ended up with the full history [14:11:18] I type in Template and I click add and it does nothing except reload the page [14:11:23] <^demon> Beau_: Seems to have been a one-off bug. I retriggered. [14:11:44] <^demon> JeroenDeDauw: I did too when I made these repos--they've all be done with full history. [14:12:23] New review: jenkins-bot; "Build Successful " [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 1 C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/6596 [14:14:06] New review: Werdna; "Thanks!" [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/6596 [14:14:09] Change merged: Werdna; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/6596 [14:15:27] ^demon: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36571 something that's your area, no urgency on this one though ;) [14:15:56] <^demon> Thehelpfulone: If it's not urgent, just add me to the CC list :) [14:16:37] okay - should I assign the bug to you too? [14:16:47] st47, Do I include the "to" 's? [14:16:54] it's locking wikimania2011 wiki [14:17:10] <^demon> Thehelpfulone: Just throw me on the cc list. Don't assign it to me though :) [14:17:18] ok :) [14:17:23] ^demon: quick question: is noc.wikimedia.org/conf's highlight.php on svn/git? I'm sure I had a copy of it, but now I can't find it anywhere on my computer (nor online, but I probably haven't looked everywhere) [14:17:40] ^demon: Can you clear my authorized_keys for LDAP or whatever the svn uses, and I'll readd them through labs (that is the right place?) [14:17:58] Matrixiumn: I do not know what you are talking about [14:18:11] <^demon> ashley: Off the top of my head, no. [14:18:50] <^demon> Lcawte: You can delete your keys on labsconsole in addition to adding them. [14:19:12] st47, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Export#1._Get_the_names_of_pages_to_export I do what it says but it doesn't give me many pages so do I include the "to"'s ? [14:19:20] Ah [14:19:28] ^demon: ah, okay...can it be made available somewhere? IIRC it was a relatively simple file and contained no real private information (just that $secretSitePassword thingy :P) [14:19:36] No, you'll need to get a list of the pages you want to export [14:19:50] Okay [14:20:16] I just want all the templates so I can use pp-meta and infoboxes [14:20:38] Well then you don't want all the templates [14:20:52] Yes [14:20:54] You want pp-meta, infoboxes, and all templates that they transclude [14:21:05] How do I get only those templates? [14:21:12] And I need the banners. [14:21:29] So once you have a list of templates you /actually/ want, put it in special:export and checkmark the box at the bottom that says include templates [14:21:44] Then it will automatically include any templates used by your list [14:21:52] and templates used by those, and so on [14:23:32] ^demon: I just did, and I cleared out all the keys except the one I'm using to login, which works for every other server I use, but isn't working on svn.wikimedia.org, I get permission denied (publickey) ;/ [14:24:01] <^demon> Lcawte: Pastbin what you're trying to do [14:24:53] ^demon: [14:24:54] http://pastebin.com/swkvWTyS [14:24:55] <^demon> ashley: I really don't think http://p.defau.lt/?oj_GsBwyQ8f1iJkbtr7nsQ is worth committing [14:25:18] <^demon> Lcawte: `ssh-add -l` [14:25:28] ^demon: awesome, thank you very much =) [14:25:53] lewiscawte@lcserv:~$ ssh-add -l [14:25:53] Could not open a connection to your authentication agent. [14:25:53] ^ doesn't sound good O.o [14:26:54] <^demon> Sounds like ssh-agent isn't running [14:28:55] So how come I can log into other servers? I'm confused now... [14:29:39] 03(mod) Make Wikimedia ShortUrl short URLs even shorter using an Apache rewrite rule - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36164 +comment (10Yuvi Panda) [14:30:18] Hmm, I don't think I should review and merge my own patch, despite it being for the extension I wrote [14:30:40] hah, I guess I can't anyway [14:31:11] hmm, so I'm trying to upgrade an existing wiki over ftp and on the web-interface I get: [14:31:14] Fatal error: Class 'SMWLanguageEn' not found [14:31:23] mediawiki-1.19.0/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/includes/SMW_Setup.php on line 512 [14:31:24] ^demon: How do fix it? [14:31:26] (sorry for the paste) [14:31:30] (Ubuntu) [14:31:43] <^demon> Lcawte: Google. I have no clue. [14:32:45] dreamer: Sounds like a Semantic Mediawiki problem; you might get a more-knowledgeable response from the folks in #semantic_mediawiki [14:33:13] Or wait, let me get the right channel. [14:33:26] #semantic-mediawiki [14:33:33] ah, yah, that. [14:33:50] Lcawte: another shell, or within screen, or erased environment variables, or ... [14:34:25] Huh, maybe I should ask... hexmode iirc, http://mah.everybody.org/docs/ssh [14:35:13] hmm [14:36:49] dreamer: in most IRC clients #semantic-mediawiki becomes a link which, if clicked on, will load the other channel (in another tab, or window, or something accessible) [14:37:20] dreamer: type /join #semantic-mediawiki into this window and hit enter [14:37:35] (even more universal) [14:38:21] [14:41:24] Amgine: hah, clicked :') ever heard of '/ctcp version'? [14:41:32] st47: I've been on irc before ... [14:41:45] dreamer: just making sure [14:42:02] Better to give too much information than too little. [14:42:32] Amgine: in 'most' irc clients you can't click on anything [14:42:35] Yes dreamer... it tries to check the version of 's IRC client. [14:42:37] I popped over there because I was curious to see if they had a solution for you, and noticed you weren't, so I wanted to make sure you hadn't gotten lost in the ether [14:42:42] at least I mean _real_ irc clients [14:43:02] Amgine: then you would've seen (or at least figured out) that I don't use a gui [14:43:26] * yuvipanda finds the lack of clickable URLs in his iTerm2+irssi combo disturbing [14:43:31] * yuvipanda is also too lazy to set it up [14:43:33] I really don't think he would have found that out [14:43:38] But if I did that for every person I provide support to via irc every day, I wouldn't get much else done. [14:43:41] 10:43 [Freenode] CTCP VERSION reply from dreamer: my version is versioner than your version - v0.8.15 [14:43:41] Yaron: fix your iTerm2 then :P [14:43:44] :P [14:43:52] st47: well, the version-number is there [14:44:04] dreamer - what? [14:44:09] :D [14:44:11] irssi or jaws [14:44:21] jaws isn't an IRC client, so irssi [14:44:21] holy shit. I see that Miranda IM has the same version number .. ok hehe [14:44:25] st47: yeah ;) [14:44:29] yuvipanda: somehow I very rarely click on links from IRC, and if so, plain X copy+paste is enough [14:44:43] saper: explains why I haven't set it up either [14:44:48] (I guess) [14:44:57] Yaron: sorry, tab-fail [14:45:03] saper: It's a pain though, for copying gerrit links or bugzilla links [14:45:03] Oh, okay. [14:45:06] I hate typing in numbers [14:45:11] s/in numbers// [14:45:12] i've got one of the "media" keys on my keyboard set to exec firefox with xclip, so it gets the url from the clipboard... [14:45:24] yuvipanda: using irc since ca. 1995, even before I got first http:// link to click on :) [14:45:37] pup. [14:45:42] I was 4 years old in 1995 [14:45:53] like my daughter now [14:46:52] When I was younger, going into any channel would make people go 'wah, he's so young and he's using IRC!' [14:46:57] now it's just 'oh, yet another 21 year old' [14:47:14] Growing up sucks, since you can no longer freely attentionwhore [14:48:08] yuvipanda: well, now is the time for "he is 90 and is still using IRC!" [14:48:10] :p [14:48:44] Beau_: soon enough :D [14:48:46] New patchset: Szymon ?wierkosz; "(bug 35993) gettoken should go die in a fire (part 1)" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/6730 [14:48:59] I like when things go die in fires :) [14:50:11] New review: jenkins-bot; "Build Successful " [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 1 C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/6730 [14:50:45] 03(mod) gettoken should go die in a fire - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35993 +comment (10Beau) [14:52:01] yuvipanda: I like when _bad_ things go die in fires ;) [14:53:18] Beau_: sometimes you think they're dead, but then they simply lose a few limbs and come back with asthma to make you 'more powerful than you could imagine' [14:59:05] O_O [14:59:10] lol [15:03:05] sumanah: Hi [15:03:13] Hi, nischayn22 [15:03:26] nischayn22: Glad you posted that "what I'm up to" update to wikitech-l [15:03:42] nischayn22: I don't follow the Semantic MediaWiki developer/user mailing lists - did you post it there as well? [15:04:11] sumanah: I got some time from academics [15:04:34] yes, I did cc smw devel lists, not the user lists though [15:05:00] sumanah: can you pm me the tasks you had listed for GSoC, sparing the channel from spam :P [15:05:16] nischayn22: Didn't Markus or Jeroen give them to you? [15:05:51] they did, but you mentioned some tasks too, it included mailing the lists and some other things [15:06:05] ok, I emailed you, nischayn22 [15:06:19] sumanah: thanks [15:06:27] nischayn22: please check - is that the list that you wanted? [15:06:48] sumanah: yes, it is the one [15:06:49] nischayn22: when you say " you mentioned some tasks too, it included mailing the lists and some other things" you imply that I said it someplace like IRC, which means that you could check the public logs, right? [15:08:05] sumanah: right, that would need a lot of searching without specific keywords so I just asked you again [15:08:10] :/ [15:08:15] ok [15:08:30] in the future, you might try simply saving logs privately when you know you will need to refer to them later. [15:09:41] I do that, those days I was out of my mind(exams), I also save all my conversations with Markus [15:09:42] hmmm, the log search was, IIRC, a simple grep shell-out [15:09:50] actually Skype does that :P [15:09:54] there was talk of replacing that [15:10:00] * yuvipanda goes to wikiteh-l archives [15:10:47] yuvipanda: there is a webpage for it [15:10:55] nischayn22: I just save all my logs by default, and then if I know that someone is giving me a TODO in email or IRC or whatever, I save it in a TODO list, a wiki page or something. But yeah, exams are very stressful, even more so in certain educational systems like yours. [15:10:57] !logs [15:10:57] o_O [15:11:10] all logs before march of '12 seem to be gone? [15:11:11] :O [15:11:38] nischayn22: if you notice, it is in the /topic :) And there was a wikitech thread a while back about how it was implemented (and the resulting slowness) [15:11:50] nischayn22, chughakshay16 and petan - I see that you didn't put anything into the Etherpad for today's session. Maybe next time? [15:13:45] yuvipanda: didn't know of slowness [15:14:21] sumanah: I thought the next sessions weren't for us, next time :) [15:14:37] nischayn22: why did you think that? [15:14:56] nischayn22: I honestly want to know what gave you that impression [15:15:17] 03(mod) Secondary and primary storage go out of sync on constraint violation in secondary storage - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36431 +comment (10Jeroen De Dauw) [15:15:42] sumanah: Many developers are also participating this time(I read in some mail), so I thought it is for them only [15:16:51] nischayn22: As a general rule, when we *expand* participation in some event or opportunity, we do not exclude the people who participated previously! [15:17:06] nischayn22: Have you run into situations where the opposite is true! [15:17:08] ? [15:17:21] * yuvipanda mumbles placements [15:19:04] My goodness. [15:19:43] sumanah: Nope, I thought it wasn't expansion but rounds. And we have had our chance already [15:19:54] *noise of frustration* [15:20:23] nischayn22: ok. So, on a meta level, you should know that you are coming from a world of scarcity, and entering a world of abundance [15:20:44] nischayn22: your assumptions are coming from a system that has to ration privileges and resources [15:21:34] nischayn22: although in some places in open source we do have to do that, we try to do it only when necessary and via merit or other open, meritocratic methods, or sometimes via transparent queues [15:21:34] evening [15:21:40] sumanah: I didn't? [15:21:46] sumanah: maybe it's another etherpad [15:22:09] petan: this time it's the Wikimedia DC etherpad. I see you added something today, but we asked people to do it yesterday, to give Erika time to read it ahead of tiemr [15:22:10] time* [15:22:27] sumanah: yes I noticed it today [15:22:59] it's no problem if she wouldn't have time we can do it next time [15:23:04] ok [15:23:04] sumanah: Many things around us is scarce. Good to know of abundance at Wikimedia :) [15:23:18] nischayn22: it's open source *in general* [15:23:40] sumanah: but I pick a shorter text [15:23:46] so maybe she could take a look [15:23:49] nischayn22: there is tension and friction when we have to deal with scarce things, like GSoC slots. [15:23:52] petan: go ahead and ask her [15:23:57] she's not in this channel. [15:24:44] sumanah: I doubt other open source orgs will have abundant time for English lessons. [15:24:47] sumanah: do let me know if you find a blog post / piece of writing that explains abundance - I find it difficult to explain to people. [15:25:02] nischayn22: Why not? [15:25:13] nischayn22: I mean, we went from 0 to 3 in the course of 2 months [15:25:18] sumanah: and was my English in the last mail better? [15:25:35] nischayn22: all it takes is the idea and a volunteer, and now a few additional volunteers have sprung up [15:25:55] nischayn22: I'll spread the idea to other open source organizations, and probably at least 3 will say THAT'S A GREAT IDEA and start doing versions of it themselves [15:26:00] nischayn22: checking. [15:26:33] hi JeroenDeDauw! [15:27:09] JeroenDeDauw: I used your useful reply to chughakshay16 as a "see! here's why you should post a public message to wikitech-l about your project kickoff!" to a few other GSoC students :) [15:28:06] nischayn22: I'm not seeing that much to complain about. :) "Database access code(make it cleaner)" You see the prob? [15:28:27] sumanah: I had no idea before working here(open-source) that so many people do volunteer work. [15:29:03] nischayn22: yeah, there's a whole range of volunteerism possible between 0 and Gandhi :) [15:29:08] sumanah: I copied those words from Markus, don't blame me for that [15:29:19] nischayn22: but "here(open-source)" you wrote yourself :) you see the issue? [15:29:19] :P [15:29:24] sumanah: I hope that it encourages them to post updates - always nice to see what's going on :) [15:29:29] JeroenDeDauw: Yes!! [15:29:56] JeroenDeDauw: any comments on the SMWStoreUpdate ? [15:30:10] sumanah: oh! the spacing is the mistake? [15:30:12] nischayn22: I still have to look at it [15:30:35] nischayn22: yes. When you're using parentheses, you have to space correctly (like this) or it looks wrong. [15:31:05] I know that when you're writing code you often write Function(Argument) but that's not how it works in US and international English. [15:31:14] JeroenDeDauw: please do soon. I want to start coding :) [15:31:24] nischayn22: I will look at it this evening, but now I really need to finish some feature, or Frank will fly over to Germany to hit me with a stick :0 [15:32:08] JeroenDeDauw: heh, fine. [15:32:17] nischayn22: just to be sure - you want me to look at this right? http://semantic-mediawiki.org/wiki/SQLStore_Update [15:32:31] JeroenDeDauw: yep! [15:32:53] nischayn22: any idea if you'll still be online in 3 hours? [15:33:22] JeroenDeDauw: right now I am about to separate the code of SMWStore2 in separate files based on functionalities. [15:33:23] 03(mod) Secondary and primary storage go out of sync on constraint violation in secondary storage - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36431 (10jeblad) [15:33:36] JeroenDeDauw: I think yes, I will be [15:33:45] nischayn22: that's the only really clear problem I see in your email -- there are a few places where I would have worded things differently, but it's all understandable. Nice job! [15:34:37] sumanah: I remembered the points you mentioned, except this one. [15:34:58] nischayn22: :) Learning is like that. Remembering some, having to relearn some, moving forward, etc. Right? [15:35:39] yuvipanda: I wrote a little in http://www.harihareswara.net/sumana/2011/03/22/0 that you might like, but it's only tangentially related to the abundance thing. [15:36:16] yuvipanda: I will keep an eye out for good explanations re abundance. Honestly I think a lot of them stray into religion or the like. [15:37:07] sumanah: yes, I had learned before, but did little practice and lost all of it. Now, that I am reading "Story of Success" by Malcolm I know lot about the importance of practice [15:37:09] heh [15:37:14] sumanah: thanks! [15:37:17] :) [15:39:40] sumanah: also you would love to hear, My friends are learning from me about open source. But mostly because of the Google tag and not the work in open source. [15:40:06] nischayn22: So, that's bittersweet. But at least they're hearing about it! [15:40:40] New patchset: Amire80; "(bug 25475) Replacing table with div and fixing directionality." [mediawiki/extensions/DismissableSiteNotice] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3951 [15:40:46] yuvipanda: http://www.locusmag.com/Perspectives/2009/07/cory-doctorow-cheap-facts-and-plausible.html and http://kfmonkey.blogspot.com/2009/05/4gm-plausible-premise-and-itunes.html [15:40:59] Cory Doctorow's "Cheap Facts and the Plausible Premise" has the somewhat hyperbolic line "...we now inhabit a world where knowing something is possible is practically the same as knowing how to do it." This is incredibly encouraging regarding, say, childrearing techniques, bike repair, activism, crafts, entrepreneurialism, and travel. It means that initiative, resourcefulness, and not-being-oblivious pay very high dividends. [15:42:48] Also only somewhat related to abundance. Argh. [15:43:29] New patchset: Amire80; "Adding .gitignore." [mediawiki/extensions/DismissableSiteNotice] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/6731 [15:45:00] nischayn22: One way to get across to your friends how the market for programmers works: "GitHub is the new resume" [15:45:39] nischayn22: but I know that this only applies to the interestingness market..... [15:45:46] sumanah: Its too late for that, placements will start in August [15:46:00] nischayn22: my mom is still, still, still, thinking that I should get a safe, stable government job at some point [15:46:36] nischayn22 - placements happen every day of the year [15:46:47] sumanah: my mom is worried about the package I get [15:46:50] nischayn22: nischayn22: like, it's exciting that I work for something everyone uses, but really at some point, my mom thinks, I should turn this into a really good government job [15:47:25] nischayn22: I feel like Morpheous in the Matrix, telling Indian engineering students to opt out of the BS entirely [15:47:41] sumanah: the google branded credit card has an enormous impact on people [15:47:44] though not of the type we'd want [15:47:49] yuvipanda: oh wow [15:47:55] sumanah: BS? [15:48:01] nischayn22: bullshit [15:48:07] nischayn22: um, sorry, US abbreviation for a profanity. [15:48:08] Oh! [15:48:22] I can see how you thought I meant Bachelor of Science [15:48:31] [15:48:45] I thought it meant Business Schools :P [15:49:37] I don't know enough about those to insult them, but I can make predictions. [15:49:42] * sumanah catches up on http://arunraghavan.net/ [15:49:54] sumanah: did you mean placements are BS? [15:49:57] sumanah: The topic of placements itself is a black hole. Once you go past the horizon... [15:49:59] nischayn22: aren't they? [15:50:17] sumanah: I don't know, I will have to sit for placements [15:50:38] nischayn22: yuvipanda - can you point me to a succinct explanation on the web somewhere, telling me how placements work? because my model may be wrong [15:50:53] sriramk wrote a nice one [15:50:55] let me go find it [15:51:09] (I wonder whether my Indian name makes Indians on the subcontinent more likely to think "oh people like me are in open source! That means I could do it too") [15:51:30] sumanah: It certainly does help, of sorts, I think. [15:51:33] I might be very wrong [15:51:42] I think it does [15:52:16] And then you talk to me and realize I'm an American eating apple pie [15:52:17] sumanah: http://sriramk.com/getting-hired.html is one person's experience. [15:52:26] but by then it's too late! you know what FLOSS is! [15:52:28] mwahahaha [15:52:34] * sumanah jokes [15:52:43] thanks yuvipanda, reading [15:52:45] sumanah: it depends on the location and 'class' of the college [15:52:54] sumanah: still I have to sit for placements [15:52:56] the first link from that was also a very good read, but sadly it appears 'lost' [15:53:07] nischayn22: or else you don't get your degree? [15:53:35] sumanah: no, my parents want me placed [15:54:01] Also I would need money :P [15:54:01] nischayn22: ok, so, it's that you're choosing to go through placement to avoid conflict with your family. [15:54:15] nischayn22: well, sure, getting hired != going through placement. [15:55:30] sumanah: tell me about the getting hired - placement stuff [15:56:05] * nischayn22 talks in code [15:56:17] nischayn22: So, it sounds like the way that most big companies in India hire entry-level workers is through these pretty annoying and inefficient "placement" events. Right? [15:56:55] sumanah: I am not that familiar with how they do it. No one in my family does a job, all do business [15:57:08] nischayn22: But that's not how most engineering jobs, worldwide, work. And I'm sure there are a zillion firms in India that need engineers but don't participate in these events.... [15:58:37] sumanah: so how do they do it? How will they know we exist [15:58:55] nischayn22: You apply to them. [15:59:01] nischayn22: Example: http://www.fogcreek.com/Jobs/Dev.html [15:59:46] nischayn22: They have websites. On those websites, they advertise their job openings. Sometimes they propagate their job openings to career websites such as Dice, Craigslist, CareerBuilder, LinkedIn, etc. [16:00:25] sumanah: I have seen those; My observation was that most of them looked for experience [16:00:28] nischayn22: Then candidates send them emails. [16:00:51] nischayn22: You have experience. You're doing GSoC. [16:01:08] Everyone asks for the perfect candidate with tons of experience, etc. They all settle for who applies. [16:01:32] Build your FLOSS portfolio: that's a great tool for employers. [16:01:39] nischayn22: http://www-07.ibm.com/in/careers/university_students.html for example [16:02:16] nischayn22: You'd also be surprised (or not) at how many startups there are in India right now [16:02:22] and medium sized awesome companies [16:02:28] sumanah: I don't know if that is sufficient enough. [16:02:30] that favor working code of yours they can look at [16:02:38] yuvipanda: I know there are many [16:02:40] rather than any educational qualifications [16:02:56] nischayn22: But - and here's the catch - parents won't understand. [16:03:01] nischayn22: Friends won't understand. [16:03:21] yuvipanda: The thing is I haven't coded that much. [16:03:32] nischayn22: you are now :) [16:03:49] yuvipanda: not *much* [16:04:41] nischayn22: you'd be surprised how much code finishing GSoC entails :) [16:04:59] nischayn22: btw, someday, you might be interested in this: http://www.hackerschool.com/about [16:05:46] hi nischayn22 . [16:05:55] New review: Siebrand; "There are unrelated changes to the i18n file in the patch." [mediawiki/extensions/DismissableSiteNotice] (master); V: 0 C: -1; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3951 [16:05:58] aharoni: HI, long time :) [16:06:17] nischayn22: one of your old patches is still waiting for merging, https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/3361/ [16:07:10] aharoni: yes, I have seen that, but didn't prefer to participate in the review process [16:07:16] looked complicated to me [16:07:36] nischayn22: complicated? for what reason? [16:08:38] aharoni: well words like "wfMessage()->text() instead of default parse()" looked complicated and also I was busy with other things [16:09:12] aharoni: join us in the Etherpad? [16:09:44] sumanah: How to find these resources where jobs are listed? any common place [16:10:06] nischayn22: the jobs websites aggregate some of them. [16:10:25] nischayn22: Including CareerBuilder, Dice, LinkedIn, and the jobs section of Craigslist. [16:10:36] Hmm, All this gives only lots of tensions [16:10:42] Hello [16:10:45] hi Matrixiumn [16:10:59] sumanah: and then placements look easy to get [16:11:05] Is Special:Import meant to display a white screen to indicate it's loading [16:11:15] sumanah, Hello, how are you? [16:11:20] *loading? [16:11:38] nischayn22: Would you rather have a low-quality experience that's tedious to get but where the process is somewhat known, or a high-quality experience that takes more research? [16:12:24] sumanah: I don't think MS, Oracle and other companies that come here will give us low-quality work [16:12:25] Matrixiumn: I'm doing well, thank you, but have to leave in a minute for a meeting, sorry [16:12:30] 03wikinaut * 10/trunk/tools/viaf/ (viaf.bookmarklet.bootloader.js viaf.bookmarklet.js viaf.js): self-reverting to v1.12 with protocol indentifiers, and restarting from here now [16:12:33] Okay [16:12:38] nischayn22: why? [16:12:47] nischayn22: http://yuvi.in/blog/story-average-indian-techie/ [16:13:29] nischayn22: http://yuvi.in/blog/3-reasons-people-join-it-companies/ [16:14:02] sumanah: That is about some companies I will never join. The rest test our skills before hiring so we expect good work [16:14:35] nischayn22: how would you define good work? What would good work be/mean? [16:14:42] oh wth, UsabilityInitiative has been ripped appart [16:14:49] Special:Import doesn't work when importing it just displays a white screen. [16:14:52] What do I do? [16:14:55] nischayn22: If you see at one level, some companies that you think you will never join and rest you are aspiring are all the same :P [16:14:58] Matrixiumn: apergos might know [16:15:13] apergos, Special:Import doesn't work when importing it just displays a white screen. [16:15:19] sumanah: challenging new work, where I get to learn more and don't get to do repetitive work [16:15:21] I don't and I am sooooo watching election results right now [16:15:29] Oh it worked now [16:15:36] apergos, Very sorry to disturb you [16:15:38] apergos: [16:15:39] nischayn22: tiny example: Wikimedia Foundation, where I work, does not hire via Indian college campus placements. [16:15:51] + France. [16:15:54] Matrixiumn: glad it worked - thanks for using MediaWiki! [16:15:56] no worries, I'm just not good for work stuff [16:16:03] Your welcome :) [16:16:36] sumanah: yes, huh its all confusing [16:16:57] nischayn22: Neither does Collabora, where Arun Raghavan works. [16:17:04] * yuvipanda imagines news papers with headlines "Wikimedia Foundation hires 1600 people from " [16:18:19] yuvipanda: my college won't be on that list :P [16:18:30] Matrixiumn, which MW version? [16:18:50] 1.18 I think [16:18:52] nischayn22: you'd be surprised :) [16:18:54] nischayn22: You can think of companies you might like to work for, and go to their websites, and then look at their Career sections, such as https://www.redhat.com/about/work/rightforyou.html and https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Work_with_us [16:19:00] Platonides, 1.18 [16:19:05] I think [16:19:14] are you providing the xml file by upload or url? [16:19:21] I have to refresh the page and it says it has already done it [16:19:26] Platonides, Upload [16:19:44] well, if it has already done it, it's done [16:19:48] Okay [16:19:50] New patchset: Amire80; "(bug 25475) Replacing table with div and fixing directionality." [mediawiki/extensions/DismissableSiteNotice] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3951 [16:19:57] even if it didn't show you the "All ok" message the first time [16:20:06] Okay thank you :) [16:20:07] you may take a look at the error log for what failed [16:20:15] What error log? [16:20:20] php error log [16:20:37] Where is the located? [16:20:54] nischayn22: sometimes college campuses in the US have "job fairs" -- in a large room, many employers set up booths or stands so they can entice you into wanting to work for them, and they give away t-shirts, pens, other small giveaway items. [16:20:56] *it [16:21:07] nischayn22: or, you just keep writing code and companies will ping you [16:21:22] Where is the error log located? [16:21:38] nischayn22: Do you know what a "r�sum�" is? or a "curriculum vitae"? [16:21:43] yuvipanda: that would be the best plan if I wouldn't be at the end of third year as :( [16:22:02] nischayn22: you'd again be very surprised at how much work is possible in one year :) [16:22:09] sumanah: Ok, you think someone will hire me noting that I don't have much code to show them (except GSoC ofcourse) but has learned stuff and is capable of doing things. [16:22:34] nischayn22: Are you set to receive your bachelor's degree in the summer of 2013? [16:22:44] * yuvipanda has a friend who went from 'hmm, maybe some company will hire me?' to 'let me put these 9 offers in a spreadsheet and rank them by a formula so that I could pick one' [16:22:50] in about 6 months [16:23:03] yuvipanda: that's very inspiring. [16:23:58] nischayn22: The job market for people with any programming skill is so hungry right now that I would predict - by the time you get your bachelor's degree, if you continue working in open source, yes, you will be very hireable. [16:24:00] that seems like a guy which would end up making xkcd comics ;) [16:24:19] yuvipanda: I mostly can't see difference between writing more code or learning more things (data structures etc) [16:24:31] Platonides: he had a *very* detailed spreadsheet, with about 10 different criterion with their own weightage [16:24:42] sumanah: yes 2013, otherwise I would have lots of time to do more code [16:24:56] * yuvipanda should poke him to write a blog post about it [16:25:04] Bye [16:25:06] nischayn22: http://jobs.metafilter.com/ http://jobs.37signals.com/ are a couple more places to see tech-heavy job opening postings [16:25:30] nischayn22: http://jobs.hasgeek.com is a much more 'indian' job board that *actually* has good posts [16:25:33] sumanah: ^ [16:25:58] Ah, good to know [16:26:54] yuvipanda: and all we heard was monster.com [16:27:57] nischayn22: also see http://www.joelonsoftware.com/items/2005/01/27.html [16:28:30] yuvipanda: I would prefer applying to companies directly though. [16:28:42] nischayn22: Right. [16:31:54] sumanah: what worries us is that August marks the start of Placements, when some really big companies come here, I definitely can't get a job by applying myself before that. So I can't miss placements [16:33:34] nischayn22: Or you could skip placements and then apply for jobs once you have your degree. [16:34:26] sumanah: I don't control my life entirely. I wonder why parents don't want us to take risks [16:34:50] nischayn22: I also had similar problems [16:34:51] that's because they're your parents :) [16:35:03] pranavrc: well, then again, some parents - even Indian ones - are different [16:35:52] sumanah, Yeah, but pushing wards into secure niches in the wall seems to be the Indian norm [16:36:04] pranavrc: Indeed. [16:36:49] sumanah: how did you solve these problems? [16:37:26] nischayn22: The short version is that my parents' overcontrolling refusal to let me take risks has stunted my personal life and my career. [16:38:31] nischayn22: But I fought against it in various ways, by refusing to major in computer science, by dating and marrying a white person, by refusing to go to graduate school until and unless I actively wanted to. [16:39:29] It caused arguments and tension, but they did not disown me or stop financially supporting me. [16:41:00] sumanah: you are a brave little soul. Could you tell me some arguments against plaacements (so, I could tell them) [16:41:49] sumanah, respect for you :) [16:41:56] nischayn22: (I like to believe my soul is at least average-sized) :) [16:42:01] Thanks, pranavrc [16:42:02] I might be heading towards some tension too [16:42:19] but I'm progressively building steam so it wouldn't have to be a huge row [16:42:23] Well, I was born and raised in the US, so I had some help from my educational system and the tacit support of my peers [16:43:25] Good luck, pranavrc. [16:43:50] nischayn22: I think that srikanthlogic, yuvipanda, and web searches will help you more than I can [16:44:04] sumanah, thanks :) [16:44:20] wah [16:44:24] the bot isn't logging :| [16:44:43] * yuvipanda wonders whom to poke [16:45:01] yuvipanda: nischayn22 wants arguments against participating in the placement system. [16:45:29] * yuvipanda pokes srikanthlogic  [16:45:54] sumanah: mine simply was picking up a better job that I loved without going through the system [16:45:56] nischayn22: find some person in known circles who is currently working in Indian IT and is bitching about it [16:46:04] oohhh yes. That works. [16:46:15] best way to convince yourself to not work in Indian IT is to talk to someone who does :) [16:46:19] srikanthlogic: unfortunately I know of no one [16:46:25] nischayn22: find out? [16:46:47] nischayn22: your parents will know some for sure, someone in family tree will be there :) [16:46:54] yuvipanda: I meant no one in my circles does. [16:47:01] nischayn22: expand your circles? :) [16:47:19] srikanthlogic: I am the only breed who is working in IT [16:48:50] nischayn22: which area are you from? [16:49:03] saper: India [16:49:32] I know; but it's a huge country... [16:49:41] hmm, I'm trying to put my wiki to read-only, but $wgReadOnly = 'Upgrading to MediaWiki 1.19.0'; doesn't seem to have an effect (or is that because I'm an admin?) [16:49:47] It's like me saying "I'm from Europe" [16:50:32] saper: yeah, but to be fair, when most non-Indians ask, if you say "Karnataka" or whatever, non-Indians go "bwuhhhh???" [16:50:38] saper: it's fine when people say 'I'm from amerika' though ;) [16:50:52] saper: Oh, I thought country. My home is in Assam and currently studying in Karnataka [16:51:02] sumanah: nice. I've only been in the north [16:51:12] would love to visit the west-coast once [16:51:18] saper: and both are 3000km apart, so India is easier to say ;) [16:51:19] don't mind skippid goa though [16:51:28] skipping* [16:51:42] anyway, how can I make sure my wiki is read-only? [16:51:46] !access [16:52:01] ok, I know some people from Chennai or Bangalore, unfortunately. [16:52:02] dreamer: if you try to edit, but can't, then you know it's read only ;) [16:52:13] Did you put that $wgReadOnly in LocalSettings.php? [16:52:19] hmm, I can edit just fine [16:52:20] st47: yes [16:52:23] sumanah: Karnataka? to me it sounds pretty obvious... it's a very well known place in my culture :) [16:52:37] saper: yes, obviousness varies from person to person, doesn't it? [16:52:38] saper: how about Assam? [16:52:45] dreamer: For information on customizing user access, see . For common examples of restricting access using both rights and extensions, see . [16:53:08] sumanah: not what I want. I 'm upgrading my wiki. I just want $wgReadOnly to work [16:53:17] Sorry, I don't know enough to help; good luck [16:53:29] sumanah: yes.... I never been to India... a funny accident prevented me from boarding the plane to Hyderbad once :( But the best businesspeople I worked with were of Indian origin (even in Poland, where we don't have many) [16:53:40] nischayn22: need to dig [16:54:26] dreamer: I just tried it and was unable to save, even as an admin [16:54:26] * dreamer misses his morning chai at the busic school learning Tabla [16:54:33] !list [16:54:40] bot == dead [16:54:47] it is not logging either :( [16:54:48] New review: Siebrand; "Please add message documentation for newly added messages. See https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/I18n#M..." [mediawiki/extensions/Echo] (master); V: 0 C: -1; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5972 [16:54:49] st47: ah, when trying to save I get a warning. check [16:54:52] k [16:54:55] * dreamer continues upgrading .. [16:54:55] then it's locked [16:55:04] upgrade is safe ;) [16:55:36] Oh yeah, there's a little inconspicuous warning too, apparently ;) [16:55:46] That could probably be more prominent than it is [16:56:02] dreamer: If you have in LocalSettings.php $wgReadOnly = "Some value"; your wiki is Read-Only. [16:56:08] nischayn22: looking at your writeup now [16:56:33] JeroenDeDauw: good, I will edit some parts as Markus suggested some changes [16:56:56] sumanah: did you send me something (I got a notification) [16:57:04] nischayn22: I did, a private message [16:57:27] re-sent as a /query msg. [17:00:18] tale: lagging much? :) [17:00:20] 03wikinaut * 10/trunk/tools/viaf/ (viaf.bookmarklet.js viaf.js): v1.15 [17:04:15] ok, off I have to go [17:04:18] glad we got to talk, nischayn22 [17:04:39] nischayn22: I do have some comments, where do you want me to put them? [17:06:15] 03(NEW) handle wikis which have API for siteinfo but do not have siprop statistics - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36573 normal; Wikimedia Labs: wikistats; (dzahn) [17:06:42] 03(NEW) List of components and bugs by chronological order for each component in Bugzilla - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36574 enhancement; Wikimedia: Bugzilla; (prp.1111) [17:07:01] JeroenDeDauw: on that page itself, make a new section [17:07:23] 03(mod) handle wikis which have API for siteinfo but do not have siprop statistics - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36573 (10Daniel Zahn) [17:09:25] 03(mod) Overlapping Text and Text crossing the borders. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36572 +comment (10Sirisha Parsi) [17:16:22] 03siebrand * 10/trunk/tools/ToolserverI18N/language/messages/ (8 files): Localisation updates from http://translatewiki.net. [17:17:41] 03(mod) Overlapping Text and Text crossing the borders. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36572 +comment (10Sirisha Parsi) [17:21:05] nischayn22: I posted stuff on teh talk page [17:21:29] JeroenDeDauw1: Ok, will look in some time [17:28:45] How can I force a refresh on all pages, i.e. purge all pages? I've updated a skin, but I'm not seeing the changes. [17:29:28] papyromancer: Clear the cache. [17:29:35] but how??? [17:29:50] papyromancer: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Cache [17:30:58] papyromancer: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:FAQ#How_do_I_purge_a_cached_page.3F [17:33:48] 03wikinaut * 10/trunk/tools/viaf/ (viaf.bookmarklet.js viaf.js): upd title tag text [17:36:53] The doucmentation sates that to format a table heading using ! synatx you do ! style="