[00:23:42] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) List allpages has endless loop with case-sensitive titles, apfrom broken - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36987  +comment (10Brad Jorsch)
[00:26:45] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) When #ifexists target page is created/deleted, does not update links tables - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31628  +comment (10Joe Decker)
[00:46:14] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Make client-side loader load site and user modules - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/30358  (10mybugs.mail)
[00:59:57] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Suppressed edit summary remains cached in revision view while not logged in - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36142  +comment (10Tim Starling)
[01:29:53] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Bolding of watchlists works poorly ... disabled on enwiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36956  +comment (10Brad Jorsch)
[01:32:58] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Maxlag errors returning 200 OK, not 503 as documented - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31156  +comment (10Smallman)
[01:36:40] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Maxlag errors returning 200 OK, not 503 as documented - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31156  +comment (10Smallman)
[01:41:51] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Missing 494 AbuseFilter revisions in CodeReview - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36983  +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[01:45:11] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Language::isValidBuiltInCode must be passed a string, NULL given - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36992 normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (sam)
[01:47:55] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Missing 494 AbuseFilter revisions in CodeReview - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36983  +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[01:49:52] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Remove localized "Help" namespaces on Meta-Wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36052   +shell (10MZMcBride)
[01:55:16] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Bolding of watchlists works poorly ... "disabled" on enwiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36956  summary (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[02:29:09] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) [SF] [Patch] 2.4.2; Add two hooks to SF_UploadWindow.php - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36989  (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[02:41:32] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) Remove localized "Help" namespaces on Meta-Wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36052  +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[02:51:44] <jeremyb>	 damnit joan
[02:51:53] <Joan>	 What'd I do?
[02:52:03] <jeremyb>	 20 19:53:35 -!- gerrit-wm was kicked from #mediawiki by Joan [gerrit-wm]
[02:52:09] <Joan>	 It was flooding.
[02:54:46] <jeremyb>	 i think i'm kinda caught up now
[02:56:06] <Reedy>	 lol
[02:56:16] <jeremyb>	 maybe TimStarling can bounce it?
[02:56:21] <jeremyb>	 idk who can get on that box
[02:56:23] <Reedy>	 I can possibly
[02:56:39] <Joan>	 It shouldn't be re-added to the channel until it's been fixed to not flood.
[02:56:46] <Reedy>	 lol
[02:56:55] <jeremyb>	 someone kick joan?
[02:56:57] <jeremyb>	 kthx
[02:57:05] * Reedy  kicks Joan

[02:57:08] <Joan>	 Harder.
[02:57:50] <jeremyb>	 Reedy: anyway, something's broken either with you locally or gerrit. i think. see change 8295's overescaping.
[02:58:29] <Reedy>	 No
[02:58:30] <Reedy>	 It's right
[02:58:45] <jeremyb>	 Reedy: also, huh?
[02:58:47] <Reedy>	 It's how Special pages show on Special:SpecialPages if they don't have a message defined
[02:59:04] <Reedy>	 Bad werdna
[02:59:18] <jeremyb>	 huh?
[02:59:31] <Reedy>	 What are you huh'ing at? I just explained it...
[02:59:46] <jeremyb>	 i want to see it first hand
[02:59:46] <Reedy>	 Do you want a screenshot? :P
[02:59:57] <jeremyb>	 i prefer a link. but either will do
[03:01:07] <jeremyb>	 i think "also, huh" was a midsentence change of thought ;)
[03:01:23] <Reedy>	 There's no link... The extension isn't enabled anywhere on the cluster
[03:01:35] <jeremyb>	 Reedy: maybe was "also, any interest in reviewing 8120?". but i understand if you don't
[03:01:41] <jeremyb>	 k
[03:01:59] <Reedy>	 I'm confused
[03:02:05] <jeremyb>	 21 02:58:45 < jeremyb> Reedy: also, huh?
[03:02:12] <jeremyb>	 that doesn't make sense
[03:02:24] <jeremyb>	 i started writing one thing and then switched to something else
[03:02:32] <Reedy>	 hurrrrr
[03:02:32] <codurr>	 durrrrr
[03:02:36] <jeremyb>	 now i'm saying what i originally was starting to type
[03:02:37] <Reedy>	 ty codurr
[03:02:40] <jeremyb>	 hurrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
[03:02:40] <codurr>	 durrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
[03:03:38] <jeremyb>	 anyway, first priority is get the bot back. ;)
[03:03:48] * jeremyb  makes some food

[03:05:00] <Reedy>	 Nope. I canne get onto manganese
[03:07:10] <jeremyb>	 is that like cannes? ;)
[03:07:43] <jeremyb>	 i guess we could try a manganese colored smoke signal
[03:07:49] * jeremyb  looks up the color for manganese

[03:10:27] <jeremyb>	 damnit i hit a paywall
[03:11:06] <jeremyb>	 and somehow the google cache doesn't work for it either
[03:14:12] <jeremyb>	 Mn (II) == Yellowish green
[03:14:16] <jeremyb>	 per enwiki
[03:14:18] <p858snake|l>	 Reedy: can we set gerrit to spam -codereview as well
[03:14:23] <jeremyb>	 [[Flame test]]
[03:14:31] <jeremyb>	 p858snake|l: with what?
[03:15:09] <p858snake|l>	 its irc output could be a starter
[03:15:18] <jeremyb>	 ?
[03:15:27] <jeremyb>	 what do you want to be spammed in there?
[03:20:06] <jeremyb>	 or what used to be spammed there
[03:20:07] <jeremyb>	 ?
[03:29:52] <jeremyb>	 that is not random. at all
[03:30:01] <jeremyb>	 you need to find a new entropy source
[04:45:51] <jeffason>	 trying to install fresh mediawiki 1.19.0 on clean windows vista 64-bit wamp (latest) backend, but when clicking "Please set up the wiki first" for initial setup, i get page not found.  edited the php and seems __FILE__ is returning null.  anyone got info on why this might be, or where i should begin to look? apache or php problem?
[04:50:28] <jeffason>	 since its the __FILE__ directive not resolving i figure it's likely an OS compatibility issue with php.  was trying to use 32-bit version, will try 64-bit and report back
[05:09:15] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) List allpages has endless loop with case-sensitive titles, apfrom broken - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36987  +comment (10Nemo_bis)
[07:10:01] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) recentchangestext is contentlanguage instead of userlanguage - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/25946  +comment (10Amir E. Aharoni)
[07:11:32] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) Installer reports "Broken variant table" and fails - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36518  (10Nikola Smolenski)
[07:17:01] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) ` and z keys does not work in Telugu InScript scheme of Narayam - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36723  +comment (10Veeven)
[07:24:50] <chughakshay16>	 Nikerabbit: hello ,
[07:25:33] <wikibugs>	 14(DUP) MathJax matrix displays "amp;" in between elements - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36977  +comment (10Michael M.)
[07:25:36] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) HTML tags shouldn't be escaped before passing to MathJax - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36059  +comment (10Michael M.)
[07:26:32] <chughakshay16>	 Nikerabbit: I needed to ask you something regarding my review that i posted in gerrit ..
[07:26:39] <chughakshay16>	 *need
[07:28:05] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Filtering Special:NewPages by page size - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/10817  +comment (10akshay chugh)
[07:39:36] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) Coding style issues in interwiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36900  (10Amir E. Aharoni)
[07:49:08] <aharoni>	 chughakshay16: can i help?
[07:49:50] <chughakshay16>	 aharoni: yes definitely..
[07:49:53] <chughakshay16>	 aharoni: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/8036/2/includes/specials/SpecialNewpages.php
[07:50:18] <chughakshay16>	 aharoni: it was regarding the comment that Nikerabbit  posted on my change..
[07:50:41] <aharoni>	 ok, which one?
[07:50:47] <chughakshay16>	 aharoni: using Xml:inputLabel instead of Xml:label and Xml:input separately.
[07:51:27] <aharoni>	 OK, and what's the problem?
[07:51:59] <chughakshay16>	 aharoni: I have posted a draft there itself..
[07:52:04] <chughakshay16>	 aharoni: can you see it ?
[07:52:45] <aharoni>	 i can see it.
[07:53:49] <chughakshay16>	 aharoni: this is the code for Xml:inputLabel - http://dpaste.com/750673/
[07:54:27] <aharoni>	 OK...
[07:58:37] <chughakshay16>	 aharoni : so what do you suggest.. ?
[08:03:12] <aharoni>	 chughakshay16: What's the problem? It does have a lot of arguments, but it's probably more robust in the long run.
[08:04:49] <chughakshay16>	 aharoni: checkout SpecialProtectedPages.. and you will get to know what kind of UI change I am looking for.. plss.
[08:05:49] <chughakshay16>	 aharoni: |Input Box |(bytes).
[08:06:10] <aharoni>	 OK.
[08:06:11] <chughakshay16>	 aharoni: so (bytes) is the label object..
[08:06:23] <chughakshay16>	 aharoni: and I want it to appear after the Input Box..
[08:06:44] <chughakshay16>	 aharoni: and if I will use Xml:inputLabel()- it wont let me
[08:07:03] <chughakshay16>	 aharoni: it keeps the label before the Input Box element..
[08:13:01] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Labs cluster dies daily at roughly 6:30 UTC - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36993 normal; Wikimedia Labs: General; (hashar)
[08:14:25] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Labs cluster dies daily at roughly 6:30 UTC - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36993  +comment (10Antoine "hashar" Musso)
[08:14:37] <aharoni>	 chughakshay16: Oh, I see. You should probably reply at the bug then. I'm not so closely familiar with all the Xml:: functions.
[08:15:13] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Proofread toolbar disappear occasionally - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36229  +comment (10Alessandro Brollo)
[08:15:27] <chughakshay16>	 aharoni: okay , well i have uploaded a new patchset.. and have not included Xml::inputLabel.. :)
[08:27:49] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Proofread toolbar disappear occasionally - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36229  +comment (10Beau)
[08:33:07] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Labs cluster dies daily at roughly 6:30 UTC - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36993  +comment (10Peter Bena)
[08:36:35] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) install Extension:SpecialInterwiki in read-only mode on all WMF wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/22043  -patch-need-review ; +comment (10Siebrand)
[08:39:49] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Labs cluster dies daily at roughly 6:30 UTC - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36993  +comment (10Peter Bena)
[08:53:32] <ed8>	 hi there, I exported some files from redmine, .odt, etc. to mediawiki syntax and I would like to import them in my mediawiki install
[08:53:39] <ed8>	 How should I proceed ?
[08:55:09] <ed8>	 I heard about pagefromfile.py, is there a tutorial out there ?
[09:00:30] <Holek>	 hey, hey
[09:00:57] <Holek>	 d'you guys know a tool of some sort, that would give me same results as this page: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?limit=50&tagfilter=&title=Special%3AContributions&contribs=newbie
[09:01:00] <Holek>	 only in JSON?
[09:02:03] <DarsVaeda>	 hi, how do I change an email of a user?
[09:12:50] <wikibugs>	 14(WFM) Category index does not reflect the titles properly - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35711  +comment (10Arjuna Rao Chavala)
[09:13:01] <wikibugs>	 03(VERIFIED) Category index does not reflect the titles properly - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35711  (10Arjuna Rao Chavala)
[09:13:47] <wikibugs>	 14(WFM) Mobile site clips edges of large tables - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36936  +comment (10Jon)
[09:14:30] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Watchlist RSS/atom feeds do not provide customized feed as per user preferences - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/23804  normal->major; +comment (10Arjuna Rao Chavala)
[09:17:32] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) http://www.wikipedia.org/ mobile detection - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/30389  +comment (10Jon)
[09:18:06] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) create 'aawiki' on beta - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36960  +comment (10Antoine "hashar" Musso)
[09:19:24] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) making http://www.wikipedia.org/ mobile friendly - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/30389  summary (10Jon)
[09:20:42] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Labs cluster dies daily at roughly 6:30 UTC - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36993  +comment (10Antoine "hashar" Musso)
[09:27:02] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) migrate mwmultiversion to git - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36873  +comment (10Antoine "hashar" Musso)
[09:40:37] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) Browser back button works poorly with expanded article sections - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36848  +comment (10Jon)
[09:43:38] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) making http://www.wikipedia.org/ mobile friendly - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/30389  +comment (10Krinkle)
[09:45:19] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) disk I/O in ganglia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36994 normal; Wikimedia Labs: General; (hashar)
[09:45:23] <wikibugs>	 14(INVALID) Potential problem with ICS 4.0.4 Samsung Galaxy Nexus Chrome Beta - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36383  +comment (10Jon)
[09:46:37] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) Native browser on Dell XCD35 on Android 2.2 is slow to expand article sections post beta changes - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36455  +comment (10Jon)
[09:57:22] <wikibugs>	 14(INVALID) Call to a member function getAssociation() on a non-object in ...Consumer.php on line 945 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36924  +comment (10T. Gries)
[10:20:07] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Relative wikilinks do not work on Wikijunior namespace (just configured) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36995 major; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (lambdav)
[10:22:09] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Relative wikilinks do not work on Wikijunior namespace (just configured) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36995  (10Antoine "hashar" Musso)
[10:23:13] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Relative wikilinks do not work on Wikijunior namespace (just configured) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36995   +shell; +comment (10Antoine "hashar" Musso)
[10:39:09] <adam__>	 hi
[10:39:23] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Relative wikilinks do not work on Wikijunior namespace (just configured) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36995  +comment (10DavidL)
[10:40:31] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Relative wikilinks do not work on Wikijunior namespace (just configured) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36995  +comment (10DavidL)
[10:48:52] <adam__>	 ן 'שמאקג אם עקא דםצק ןמכם שנםוא איק פךשאכםקצ
[10:49:01] <adam__>	 i wanted to get some info about the palatform
[10:51:05] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) exim config points to mchenry.wmflabs.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36996 normal; Wikimedia Labs: deployment-prep ("beta"); (hashar)
[10:51:24] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) exim config points to mchenry.wmflabs.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36996  (10Antoine "hashar" Musso)
[10:58:24] <hashar>	 adam__: which platform are you talking about?
[11:00:36] <adam__>	 mediawiki
[11:01:01] <adam__>	 what are its options and features
[11:04:09] <hashar>	 adam__: too long to list :-D
[11:04:12] <hashar>	 adam__: you could use http://www.wikimatrix.org/
[11:04:33] <hashar>	 adam__: that compares various wiki softwares.   Key features are listed on wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki#Key_features
[11:07:56] <adam__>	 thanks a lot
[11:33:28] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Namespaces names on Silesian Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34988  (10przemub)
[12:30:30] <aharoni>	 איזה כיף זה שאותיות בעברית מתבלבלות
[12:38:00] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Labs cluster dies daily at roughly 6:30 UTC - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36993  +comment (10Antoine "hashar" Musso)
[12:39:28] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Wikimedia labs are down / having problems - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36997 blocker; Wikimedia Labs: General; (benapetr)
[12:39:36] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Wikimedia labs are down / having problems - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36997  (10Peter Bena)
[12:41:46] <hashar>	 yeah
[12:43:08] <jeremyb>	 hah
[12:44:23] <Nikerabbit>	 ug
[12:44:40] <hashar>	 jeremyb: I don't have the list of -q  :(
[12:44:59] <jeremyb>	 hashar: do +q with no params
[12:46:35] <hashar>	 jeremyb: I am not sure how to do that with the Colloquy IRC client :-D
[12:47:04] <jeremyb>	 hashar: just /mode +q #mediawiki
[12:47:25] <jeremyb>	 err other way around
[12:47:26] * hashar  tries

[12:47:27] <jeremyb>	 /mode #mediawiki +q
[12:47:40] <jeremyb>	 21 12:47:19 [freenode] -!- #mediawiki q *!*@manganese.wikimedia.org p858snake|l!~p858snake@unaffiliated/p858snake 1337547277
[12:47:48] <Nikerabbit>	 /give jeremyb chocolatebar
[12:48:15] <hashar>	 jeremyb: ohhh colloquy has a server console!! I can write the /mode commands there yeah!!
[12:48:54] <jeremyb>	 hashar: nah, you can write them anywhere
[12:48:56] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Enwikisource: flood option that administrators can apply - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36863  +comment (10Thehelpfulone)
[12:49:25] <hashar>	 jeremyb: well the output is only sent on the console :-D
[12:49:38] <jeremyb>	 that is not unlikely
[12:53:27] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Enable autopatrolling on Yiddish Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36598  +comment (10Thehelpfulone)
[12:55:04] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) List allpages has endless loop with case-sensitive titles, apfrom broken - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36987  +comment (10Brad Jorsch)
[13:05:56] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Wikimedia labs are down / having problems - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36997  +comment (10Peter Bena)
[13:13:38] <JamesA_>	 Hey there, just got a question.
[13:13:50] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) create 'aawiki' on beta - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36960  +comment (10Peter Bena)
[13:15:21] <JamesA_>	 At my wiki, there are "custom wikitags". ie, <see ___></see>  <do ____></do>   etc
[13:15:27] <jubo2>	 hello..
[13:15:53] <jubo2>	 I gather that new user account creation showing up in RecentChanges is on by default in 1.18.2 ..
[13:16:15] <jubo2>	 Me and artspy are having some unstable behaviour from a MediaWiki installation
[13:16:20] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Labs cluster dies daily at roughly 6:30 UTC - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36993  +comment (10Peter Bena)
[13:16:34] <jubo2>	 He gets Internal error, I don't..
[13:16:48] <jubo2>	 Usually the new account creation show up in RC but not today..
[13:17:12] <jubo2>	 what might be going on ..? Any help would be most appreciated..
[13:17:44] <artspy>	 I get Internal error just after submit for account creation !
[13:18:20] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Labs cluster dies daily at roughly 6:30 UTC - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36993  +comment (10Peter Bena)
[13:18:51] <jubo2>	 artspy: did you get to the math captcha and then get the internal error or was it before the captcha ?
[13:18:56] <chughakshay16>	 Nikerabbit: hi,
[13:19:21] <jubo2>	 Oy. Nikerabbit is still around.. Long time.. long time..
[13:19:52] <artspy>	 jubo2: it was after the page containing the captcha
[13:20:30] <jubo2>	 I cannot (re)produce the internal error... everything looks good from dnainternet.fi ..
[13:26:12] <artspy>	 jubo2: Can I create an other account, just for testing purpose, in order to see if the problem is still here for me ?
[13:27:24] <jubo2>	 artspy: it doesn't hurt but I don't expect it to help if you make new account.. 
[13:30:36] <AC_>	 Hello
[13:35:20] <artspy>	 jubo2: I can't find where I have to go to create a new page.
[13:35:48] <AC_>	 I have a question
[13:35:54] <jubo2>	 artspy: start with any article
[13:36:25] <jubo2>	 Replace the article name in the URL and hit enter and you get to where you can create new page by the name you put in there into the URL
[13:36:29] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) making http://www.wikipedia.org/ mobile friendly - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/30389  +comment (10Jon)
[13:40:34] <jubo2>	 artspy: or more usually in a wiki you get to new page creationg by following a red link ... usually created on purpose to have access points to that space in the namespace
[13:42:05] <JeroenDeDauw>	 WTF gerrit... I cannot submit comments after I added a new patchset?! ****
[13:46:44] <Nikerabbit>	 jubo2: why wouldn't I be around?
[13:46:56] <Nikerabbit>	 JeroenDeDauw: sure you can, you just have to open the correct patchset
[13:47:15] <jubo2>	 Nikerabbit: lots of people come and go give a few years
[13:47:31] <JeroenDeDauw>	 Nikerabbit: looks like the thing just gave me a fail error but actually did submit the stuff
[13:47:36] <jubo2>	 Nikerabbit: You helped me with MediaWiki glitches in.. umm.. like 2005 or so.
[13:48:06] <Nikerabbit>	  Magnus Manske, Brion Vibber, Lee Daniel Crocker, Tim Starling, Erik Möller, Gabriel Wicke, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason, Niklas Laxström, Domas Mituzas, Rob Church, Yuri Astrakhan, Aryeh Gregor...
[13:48:06] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Hide table legend by default - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36998 normal; MediaWiki extensions: Interwiki (extension); (s.mazeland)
[13:48:15] <Nikerabbit>	 only few of that list have left for good
[13:48:16] <JeroenDeDauw>	 Nikerabbit: try adding comments to a patchset, then create new patchset, then click review on the first and and hit the submit comments thing
[13:48:26] <Nikerabbit>	 JeroenDeDauw: :(
[13:48:34] <Nikerabbit>	 JeroenDeDauw: a bug then?
[13:48:40] <jubo2>	 Nikerabbit: yeah.. but devels wear out much more slowly then sysop(presseur)s
[13:48:50] <JeroenDeDauw>	 Any special rights needed on bugzilla to change the status of bugs? Some people in the WD team cannot do this for some reason...
[13:48:52] <Nikerabbit>	 jubo2: I'm a devel :)
[13:48:57] <JeroenDeDauw>	 Nikerabbit: looks like a bug yes
[13:49:11] <Nikerabbit>	 JeroenDeDauw: I can close everything, isn't that enough?
[13:49:15] <jubo2>	 being in the "public" eye takes it's tolls on those eager to climb the ladders towards the Cabal...
[13:49:27] <JeroenDeDauw>	 Nikerabbit: :p
[13:50:11] <^demon|away>	 JeroenDeDauw: worksforme https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/8120/1/files/gerrit/hooks/hookhelper.py
[13:50:44] <Nikerabbit>	 jubo2: frankly it is often the Cabal which drives nuts, not the public
[13:51:03] <JeroenDeDauw>	 ^demon|away: sure... that is not my change though :)
[13:51:16] <^demon|away>	 Ok, so what change is it and I'll prove the exact same thing again.
[13:51:26] <JeroenDeDauw>	 ^demon|away: oh you mean the comment?
[13:51:38] <^demon|away>	 Yes, I left a comment on an old patch after a new patch has been submitted.
[13:51:41] <^demon|away>	 It worked.
[13:51:51] <JeroenDeDauw>	 ^demon|away: if you do that exact steps I said you'll get an error but it will submit comments anyway
[13:52:05] <JeroenDeDauw>	 ^demon|away: yeah, that's different steps
[13:52:30] <^demon|away>	 Transient failure? As long as the comment submitted, who cares.
[13:52:46] <JeroenDeDauw>	 ^demon|away: anybody who cares about usability
[13:52:56] <JeroenDeDauw>	 I got an error and figured it did not save
[13:53:03] <JeroenDeDauw>	 Why else would it give an error?
[13:53:04] <JeroenDeDauw>	 >_>
[13:53:18] <^demon|away>	 Report it upstream then?
[13:53:18] <jubo2>	 Nikerabbit: but by "being" in the public eye I meant more that they can be challenged on fake or real basis at any time and if they hold position of prestige then they have to behave "civilized" ( whatever that entails this time.. )
[13:53:56] <jubo2>	 Nikerabbit: sorta like even if you are challenged on faux basis you still have to act your age and be civil and shit..
[13:54:27] <Nikerabbit>	 jubo2: I sure make a cry if I feel like it
[14:35:52] <rigid>	 ahoy
[14:36:01] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Link containing brackets does no longer work after reloading the page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36999 normal; MediaWiki extensions: WikidataRepo; (silke.meyer)
[14:36:07] <rigid>	 are there some generic guidelines for maintaining a mediawiki setup with git?
[14:36:37] <rigid>	 i.e. what should I clone to run a live system & keep it up to date?
[14:37:08] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Link containing brackets does no longer work after reloading the page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36999  (10silke.meyer)
[14:38:22] <Krinkle>	 rigid: `git clone` once, `php install` once, and `git pull` and `php update` whenever you want to update.
[14:39:04] <Krinkle>	 rigid: I don't have to say that you shouldn't run a production wiki on the alpha version, right ?
[14:39:29] <Krinkle>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Download_from_Git
[14:39:41] <Krinkle>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Install#Quick_installation_guide
[14:39:56] <Krinkle>	 (skip the download step, since your'e going to use Git)
[14:41:47] <Krinkle>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Download_from_Git#Keeping_up_to_date
[14:43:12] <rigid>	 Krinkle: oh cool... thanks a lot
[14:44:15] <Krinkle>	 rigid: you're welcome
[14:44:28] <rigid>	 so i guess https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/p/mediawiki/core.git is fine for a production setup...
[14:44:45] <Krinkle>	 that link is just the repository in general
[14:45:03] <Krinkle>	 the default branch is for developers, "master" which is the alpha version.
[14:45:16] <Krinkle>	 The latest stable version is 1.19.0
[14:45:27] <Krinkle>	 which was released from the REL1_19 branch
[14:45:32] <rigid>	 ah ok... i thought master is the latest stable
[14:45:35] <Krinkle>	 no
[14:45:41] <Krinkle>	 after the git clone
[14:45:48] <Krinkle>	 do git checkout REL1_19
[14:45:54] <Krinkle>	 (before installing it)
[14:46:21] <rigid>	 i see... and I guess I can merge with REL1_20 later
[14:47:03] <Krinkle>	 After REL1_20 is created and considered "stable" you would only have to do "git pull"; git checkout REL1_20 and maybe git pull again. indeed.
[14:47:41] <rigid>	 nice
[14:52:35] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) LiquidThreads not compatible with PostgreSQL - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36204  +comment (10Anton Yackushev)
[14:57:07] <Krenair>	 Nikerabbit, I've been trying the code you posted on my change and it just doesn't work
[14:57:25] <wikibugs>	 04(REOPENED) List allpages has endless loop with case-sensitive titles, apfrom broken - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36987  +comment (10Nemo_bis)
[14:58:09] <Nikerabbit>	 Krenair: which one?
[14:58:40] <AdAtticum>	 If possible, I need some help with creating a category to specific new wiki pages to.
[14:58:57] <AdAtticum>	 sorry, to copy specific new wiki pages to.
[14:59:05] <AdAtticum>	 adatticum.org is the wiki
[14:59:09] <Krenair>	 Nikerabbit, https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/7699/1/includes/logging/LogEventsList.php
[15:00:38] <Krenair>	 Array != string
[15:00:40] <AdAtticum>	 I'm hosting academic course outlines on my wiki, and I want to create a top-level category where I can add all "new" courses (from the past 15 days, or so).
[15:02:33] <wikibugs>	 14(WFM) Wikimedia labs are down / having problems - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36997  +comment (10Ryan Lane)
[15:10:45] <jeremyb>	 does ezachte IRC?
[15:11:35] <chughakshay16>	 Platonides: Hello,
[15:12:44] <Platonides>	 hi chughakshay16
[15:13:25] <chughakshay16>	 Platonides: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/8036/3/includes/specials/SpecialNewpages.php
[15:14:37] <Platonides>	 chughakshay16, I added some more notes earlier
[15:15:01] <chughakshay16>	 Platonides: I have made changes for those..
[15:15:15] <chughakshay16>	 Platonides: why is_int() not suitable in this case ?
[15:15:28] <chughakshay16>	 Platonides: i think it would do just the job i m looking for.
[15:15:34] <Platonides>	 because I think you will get it as a string
[15:15:44] <chughakshay16>	 Platonides: no , i wont
[15:16:04] <Platonides>	 where is it converted?
[15:16:21] <chughakshay16>	 Platonides: FormOptions->add()..
[15:16:42] <chughakshay16>	 Platonides: whenever i call this function to add a default value.. it stores the type for that value as well
[15:17:01] <Platonides>	 really?
[15:17:03] * Platonides  looks

[15:17:08] <chughakshay16>	 Platonides: yep,,. :)
[15:17:24] <codurr>	 03hashar * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/115407> 10/trunk/tools/wikibugs/.gitignore: adding basic .gitignore
[15:17:31] <codurr>	 03hashar * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/115408> 10/trunk/tools/wikibugs/wikibugs:
[15:17:31] <codurr>	 handle command line argument + debug function
[15:17:32] <codurr>	 This is a very basic infrastructure to add up command line arguments to
[15:17:32] <codurr>	 wikibugs and some debugging message.
[15:17:33] <codurr>	 First feature is --stdout which let you print the message on STDOUT
[15:17:34] <codurr>	 instead of to the file.
[15:17:35] <codurr>	 03hashar * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/115409> 10/trunk/tools/wikibugs/wikibugs: make X-Bugzilla-Product "global"
[15:17:37] <codurr>	 03hashar * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/115410> 10/trunk/tools/wikibugs/wikibugs: (log message trimmed)
[15:17:37] <codurr>	 split messages per bugzilla product
[15:17:38] <codurr>	 Given the X-Bugzilla-Product, a hardcoded hash map the product name to a
[15:17:39] <codurr>	 filename. The default directory logs are written to is /var/wikibugs
[15:17:40] <codurr>	 which can be overridden using --dir.
[15:17:41] <codurr>	 The 'default' product is the fallback and will log to a new file named
[15:17:42] <codurr>	 mediawiki.log. The old wikibugs.log filename is no more used.
[15:18:02] <chughakshay16>	 Platonides: see this http://dpaste.com/750791/
[15:18:50] <Platonides>	 yep
[15:18:58] <Platonides>	 you beated me there
[15:19:15] <chughakshay16>	 Platonides: i just need to remove the $ before is_int..
[15:19:20] <chughakshay16>	 Platonides: :)
[15:19:21] <Platonides>	 yes
[15:20:03] <Platonides>	 if formOptions is doiong the casting for you, you may not even need the is_int
[15:20:29] <wikibugs>	 03(WONTFIX) Set wikibugs to be able to join multiple channels - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/10760  +comment (10Antoine "hashar" Musso)
[15:20:46] <chughakshay16>	 Platonides: yeah, but still to be on the safe side I could..
[15:22:01] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Link containing brackets does no longer work after reloading the page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36999  (10silke.meyer)
[15:30:11] <Nikerabbit>	 Krenair: hmm it returns an array?
[15:30:42] <Nikerabbit>	 Krenair: noo, of course you pass the $title to that, not the string
[15:31:05] <Nikerabbit>	 actually it wants a string, meh
[15:32:23] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Cannot purge manually when logged in - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37000 normal; MediaWiki extensions: WikidataClient; (silke.meyer)
[15:34:11] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Template-created categories do not update, *ever*, until an article is edited. Purge doesn't work - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37001 normal; MediaWiki: Templates; (joedecker)
[15:37:35] <Krenair>	 Nikerabbit, it wants a string. It returns an array.
[15:38:06] <Krenair>	 Anyway it doesn't work
[15:38:39] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) If there're other links on the same page (whatever they are), categorylinks are always converted to another variant (if such categories exist) no matter whether categories in the given variant exist or not - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33210  +comment (10Liangent)
[15:39:10] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Link containing brackets does no longer work after reloading the page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36999  +comment (10Platonides)
[15:42:03] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Template-created categories do not update, *ever*, until an article is edited. Purge doesn't work - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37001  +comment (10Daniel Kinzler)
[15:42:20] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Template-created categories do not update, *ever*, until an article is edited. Purge doesn't work - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37001  +comment (10Platonides)
[15:42:57] <Platonides>	 mid-air collision, Daniel_WMDE
[15:43:10] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Template-created categories do not update, *ever*, until an article is edited. Purge doesn't work - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37001  +comment (10Liangent)
[15:44:17] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Template-created categories do not update, *ever*, until an article is edited. Purge doesn't work - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37001  +comment (10Daniel Kinzler)
[15:50:46] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Labs feed outputting to production channels - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37002 major; Wikimedia: IRC; (wikimedia.bugs)
[15:50:59] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Labs feed outputting to production channels - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37002  (10Snowolf)
[15:52:06] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Labs feed outputting to production channels - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37002  +comment (10Snowolf)
[15:53:20] <codurr>	 03hashar * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/115411> 10/trunk/tools/wikibugs/wikibugs:
[15:53:21] <codurr>	 override program name to 'wikibugs'
[15:53:21] <codurr>	 On Linux and Mac OS X, at least, the perl script will now expose itself
[15:53:21] <codurr>	 as being named 'wikibugs'. That makes process monitoring a bit easier
[15:53:22] <codurr>	 with nagios (check_procs uses the program name).
[15:56:41] <liangent>	 is it possible to write an extension to add a new db type?
[15:57:52] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Template-created categories do not update, *ever*, until an article is edited. Purge doesn't work - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37001  +comment (10Joe Decker)
[16:00:17] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Template-created categories do not update, *ever*, until an article is edited. Purge doesn't work - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37001  +comment (10Liangent)
[16:01:01] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Bolding of watchlists works poorly ... "disabled" on enwiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36956  +comment (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[16:01:28] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Template-created categories do not update, *ever*, until an article is edited. Purge doesn't work - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37001  +comment (10Liangent)
[16:01:33] <Krenair>	 Isn't https://www.mediawiki.org/w/api.php?action=query&prop=templates&titles=Main%20Page supposed to list all templates used on the main page?
[16:01:43] <Krenair>	 Oh... Derp. We have a different main page name on mediawiki.org. >_>
[16:14:06] <sumanah>	 Lydia_WMDE: saw that there's a demo system now :D http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikidata-l/2012-May/000479.html Congrats to you & to Daniel_WMDE & the Wikidata team
[16:14:26] <Lydia_WMDE>	 sumanah: thx :)   sooooo good to finally have that
[16:15:46] <sumanah>	 I bet :)
[16:17:55] <Raylton>	 sumanah, wooow  it's pretty =D    Congrats to Wikidata team too
[16:18:32] <wikibugs>	 04(REOPENED) Labs feed outputting to production channels - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37002  +comment (10Peter Bena)
[16:18:32] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Labs feed outputting to production channels - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37002  +comment (10Peter Bena)
[16:18:33] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) Labs feed outputting to production channels - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37002  +comment (10Snowolf)
[16:18:33] <wikibugs>	 04(REOPENED) Article Feedback 5 - Central Feedback Page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35862  +comment (10Fabrice Florin)
[16:18:34] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Template-created categories do not update, *ever*, until an article is edited. Purge doesn't work - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37001  +comment (10Joe Decker)
[16:18:35] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Template-created categories do not update, *ever*, until an article is edited. Purge doesn't work - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37001  +comment (10Joe Decker)
[16:18:35] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) add possibility to block computer instead of ip - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37003 normal; MediaWiki: User blocking; (reza.energy)
[16:18:36] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Labs feed outputting to production channels - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37002  +comment (10Krinkle)
[16:18:36] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Labs feed outputting to production channels - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37002  +comment (10Peter Bena)
[16:18:37] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) Use div instead of table for the layout of the sitenotice - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/25475  +comment (10Amir E. Aharoni)
[16:18:38] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Labs feed outputting to production channels - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37002  +comment (10Ryan Lane)
[16:19:39] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) Labs feed outputting to production channels - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37002  +comment (10Peter Bena)
[16:23:34] <Lcawte>	 Yay, not long until Berlin :D
[16:24:03] <Daniel_WMDE>	 \o/
[16:24:33] <Daniel_WMDE>	 Lydia_WMDE, sumanah: well, not *that* much to see, yet. but it's coming along
[16:24:47] <Daniel_WMDE>	 phase 1 doesn't have much to show, anyway. just magic interlanguage links
[16:24:59] <Lydia_WMDE>	 magic \o/
[16:25:01] <Lydia_WMDE>	 ;-)
[16:25:08] <Lydia_WMDE>	 Raylton: thx!
[16:27:53] <Raylton>	 Lydia_WMDE, thank "you"  ;D 
[16:33:34] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Template-created categories do not update, *ever*, until an article is edited. Purge doesn't work - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37001  +comment (10Platonides)
[16:33:46] <Raylton>	 Lydia_WMDE, the contents of this test site will be re-used? because I'm willing to add contents =D 
[16:34:11] <Lydia_WMDE>	 Raylton: no it'll regularly get deleted and replaced so best not to do anything of value there
[16:34:18] <Lydia_WMDE>	 if it can't be recreated easily
[16:35:23] <Raylton>	 Lydia_WMDE, I understand... 
[16:36:29] <ToAruShiroiNeko>	 omg
[16:36:32] <ToAruShiroiNeko>	 WMDE overdose
[16:36:53] <ToAruShiroiNeko>	 I would be a _WMDE too but my nick is at character count max :(
[16:37:52] <Nikerabbit>	 Krinkle: no, are you using the withSubPage variant?
[16:38:40] <budwaa>	 Hi, I am writing up engineering functional requirements in a private mediawiki. Looking for a way to build the various pages into some format I can send out to a supplier. The standard export is in XML which isn't much use.
[16:38:45] <Raylton>	 Lydia_WMDE, only a doubt... what you think about this? http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2012-May/060740.html
[16:38:55] <Platonides>	 budwaa, maybe exporting to pdf?
[16:38:57] <Platonides>	 !pdf
[16:39:05] <Krinkle>	 Nikerabbit: ?
[16:39:07] <Platonides>	 !collection
[16:39:12] <budwaa>	 Yes exporting to PDF would be nice Platonides 
[16:39:13] <Lydia_WMDE>	 Raylton: i need to run in a min - can you email me maybe about it or ask again tomorrow? sorry
[16:39:51] <Platonides>	 budwaa, take a look at http://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?search=pdf&title=Special%3ASearch
[16:40:22] <Raylton>	 Lydia_WMDE, no problem ... is in the l-wikitech ;D
[16:40:31] <Lydia_WMDE>	 k
[16:41:07] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Categories conditionally switched from one category to another inside a template based on time, do not update, *ever*, until an article is null-edited. Purge doesn't work - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37001  summary (10Platonides)
[16:51:15] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Categories conditionally switched from one category to another inside a template based on time, do not update, *ever*, until an article is null-edited. Purge doesn't work - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37001  +comment (10Joe Decker)
[16:52:30] <Nikerabbit>	 Krinkle: ment for Krenair
[16:53:02] <Krinkle>	 ok
[16:56:43] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Categories conditionally switched from one category to another inside a template based on time, do not update, *ever*, until an article is null-edited. Purge doesn't work - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37001  +comment (10Joe Decker)
[16:57:35] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Categories conditionally switched from one category to another inside a template based on time, do not update, *ever*, until an article is null-edited. Purge doesn't work - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37001  +comment (10Joe Decker)
[16:58:32] <Krenair>	 Nikerabbit, am I using the what variant?
[17:00:47] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Add date picker to Special:TranlationStats - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37004 normal; MediaWiki extensions: Translate; (s.mazeland)
[17:03:37] <Krenair>	 Nikerabbit, I've got if ( SpecialPageFactory::resolveAlias( $this->getContext()->getTitle() ) === 'Log' ) {
[17:03:49] <Krenair>	 But it is always false
[17:03:53] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Add date picker to Special:TranlationStats - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37004  normal->15enhancement (10Niklas Laxström)
[17:05:03] <Nikerabbit>	 how about $this->getContext()->getTitle()->getText() ?
[17:05:11] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) List allpages has endless loop with case-sensitive titles, apfrom broken - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36987  +comment (10Brad Jorsch)
[17:05:12] <Nikerabbit>	 (do you need getContext() at all?)
[17:07:24] <Krenair>	 Nikerabbit, still always false. And yeah, I think I do...
[17:07:42] <Nikerabbit>	 what does it return then?
[17:08:44] <Nikerabbit>	 Krenair: ah... you are right after all
[17:09:35] <Nikerabbit>	 some idiot has changed the interface when moving it to SpecialPageFactory
[17:10:18] <Nikerabbit>	 but you can do list( $name, ) = SpecialPageFactory...
[17:16:51] <Krenair>	 Nikerabbit, still returns false.
[17:20:28] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Make client-side loader load site and user modules - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/30358  +comment (10Krinkle)
[17:21:47] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) List allpages has endless loop with case-sensitive titles, apfrom broken - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36987  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[17:22:42] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Categories conditionally switched from one category to another inside a template based on time, do not update, *ever*, until an article is null-edited. Purge doesn't work - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37001  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[17:27:39] <wikibugs>	 03(WONTFIX) add possibility to block computer instead of ip - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37003  +comment (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[17:28:50] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Link containing brackets does no longer work after reloading the page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36999  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[17:29:19] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Cannot purge manually when logged in - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37000  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[17:31:15] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Labs cluster dies daily at roughly 6:30 UTC - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36993  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[17:32:17] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Hide table legend by default - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36998  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[17:32:54] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Relative wikilinks do not work on Wikijunior namespace (just configured) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36995  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[17:33:23] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) disk I/O in ganglia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36994  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[17:33:29] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) add possibility to block computer instead of ip - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37003  +comment (10Platonides)
[17:34:16] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Make client-side loader load site and user modules - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/30358  +comment (10Krinkle)
[17:34:49] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Missing 494 AbuseFilter revisions in CodeReview - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36983  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[17:35:03] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Language::isValidBuiltInCode must be passed a string, NULL given - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36992  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[17:35:24] <budwaa>	 How can I install a pdf writer for mw-render?
[17:35:43] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) "Language not set" fatal error in Special:MessageGroupStats - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36990  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[17:36:07] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) exception 'MWException' with message 'Language::isValidBuiltInCode must be passed a string, NULL given' - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36988  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[17:36:36] <Krinkle>	 hexmode: What do you think about removing priority and severity (and adding a keyword "enhancement"). RE: http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2012-May/060586.html
[17:36:40] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) URL Encoding affecting titles with spaces - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36986  (10Mark A. Hershberger)
[17:37:21] <Krinkle>	 and using only milestone for planning. Per your documentation on mw.org it seems priority is mostly pointed towards milestone already (version+1 or version+2 respectively).
[17:37:51] <hexmode>	 Krinkle: I'm reading your tl; 1m
[17:37:56] <Krinkle>	 cool
[17:38:13] <Krinkle>	 and severity seems redundant. Either it needs to happen before the release or not. Basically everything is a blocker. Non-blocking bugs with a milestone don't make sense.
[17:38:22] <wikibugs>	 14(DUP) Link containing brackets does no longer work after reloading the page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36999  +comment (10Platonides)
[17:38:24] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) URL Encoding affecting titles with spaces - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36986  +comment (10Platonides)
[17:40:26] <Platonides>	 hexmode, how are security bugs "opened"?
[17:40:36] <hexmode>	 Krinkle: briefly, I think that 5 levels is too many for priority.  Mozilla has 3 (P1, P2, P3) and the development teams use those effectively -- "Let's get the P1 bug fixed ASAP"
[17:41:05] <hexmode>	 Platonides: what do you mean?  "How can we open one that is closed"?
[17:41:17] <Platonides>	 open to the public
[17:41:37] <Platonides>	 I wanted to make the fixed bug 35961 public, but didn't find the option
[17:41:42] <Krinkle>	 "fixed asap" are bugs scheduled for MediaWiki 1.20 or bugs blocking "1.20wmf(cur+1) deployment". The problem with priority/severity when not connected to that is that they are time-less.
[17:42:01] <domas>	 mediawiki should move to http://www.lilyproject.org/lily/about.html
[17:42:03] <domas>	 search included! 
[17:42:10] <Krinkle>	 It could have priority "high" for years without a milestone.
[17:42:23] <hexmode>	 Krinkle: But I think Priority & Severity makes sense if you understand what they mean... but it isn't intuitive
[17:42:32] <Krinkle>	 when using milestones we can regularly see them and will conciously move the milestone when needed.
[17:43:09] <Platonides>	 the problem with a level of "ASAP" meaning "next wmf", is when you're ready to branch/deploy
[17:43:17] <hexmode>	 Krinkle: speaking of high priority for years... I have a volunteer going through bugs and lowering "High" ones that haven't been touched for a while
[17:43:30] <Krinkle>	 hexmode: Iv'e seen that.
[17:43:34] <Platonides>	 how do you mark those not to be closed on this iteration?
[17:44:02] <Platonides>	 will you be mass-changing all next-asap (wmf+2) to asap (wmf+1)?
[17:44:07] <Krinkle>	 hexmode: I wonder what the purpose of that is.
[17:44:19] <hexmode>	 krinkle, Platonides: "ASAP" == in the moz context P1 is what they aim to fix for next point release.
[17:44:20] <Krinkle>	 Platonides: Good question
[17:44:40] <Krinkle>	 Platonides: In general, yes. But more importantly: By the time a "wmf" is deployed, the list should be empty
[17:44:47] <Krinkle>	 either fixed or rescheduled
[17:44:54] <hexmode>	 yes
[17:45:12] <Krinkle>	 we have to stop not caring about the lists, it should be impossible to release an MW version or deploy an WMF branch when there are open bugs for them.
[17:45:15] <Krinkle>	 simple as that imho
[17:45:34] <hexmode>	 "about the lists"?
[17:45:36] <Platonides>	 we should have a report for 'milestones <= current', milestones <= next, etc.
[17:45:39] <hexmode>	 what do you mean?
[17:45:52] <Krinkle>	 hexmode: advanced_search?milestone=X&resolved=--- <!-- the list
[17:45:55] <Platonides>	 that wouldn't need those values
[17:46:01] <Krinkle>	 (or dependency tree)
[17:46:36] <Krinkle>	 Platonides: https://toolserver.org/~krinkle/wmfBugZillaPortal/
[17:46:38] <Krinkle>	 1.20: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&query_format=advanced&product=MediaWiki&target_milestone=1.20.0+release
[17:46:51] <hexmode>	 Krinkle: so I think Robla is doing the right thing by moving to rolling releases and if you do that you can't say "We're blocking this release for x bug"
[17:47:45] <Krinkle>	 well, there is still a schedule. A regression needs to be fixed and can block something, sure it can. There is no automatic 6-week deploy hammer. That's the guideline.
[17:48:01] <hexmode>	 I think tarballs point releases should be once a month (or more for security fixes) and bigger releases once every 3 months
[17:48:02] <Krinkle>	 and from the other perspective: the developers need to me sure that line is met.
[17:48:05] <Platonides>	 Krinkle, I wanted a list of <=, which would be the one to be empty when going to release
[17:48:30] <Krinkle>	 Platonides: we don't need that. Because when version 1.20 is release its list will be empty so we only need to check for 1.21 then. etc.
[17:48:40] <Krinkle>	 if we check it for every release, we only need = not <=
[17:48:51] <hexmode>	 disagree
[17:48:58] <Platonides>	 Krinkle, but some guy will appear with an error on 1.15
[17:49:07] <Platonides>	 you want to notice that
[17:49:16] <Krinkle>	 anythign currently milestones for 1.19 or below should either be wontfixed, moved to 1.20 or moved to "Mysterious future"
[17:49:16] <Platonides>	 even if only to retag it
[17:49:31] <Krinkle>	 1.18*
[17:49:45] <Krinkle>	 Platonides: version != milestone
[17:49:49] <Krinkle>	 You're mixing them up
[17:49:59] <Krinkle>	 or I have, either way
[17:51:21] <Krinkle>	 hexmode: I agree, monthly release (or every 6 weeks, not sure what the cycle is agreed on, if already agreed on) is nice and should be doable
[17:51:51] <Krinkle>	 but short of putting deadlines in the form of a timestamp on bugs, using milestones makes sense (instead of priorities)
[17:52:13] <Krinkle>	 hexmode: What queries do (or did) you use as a bugmeister?
[17:52:31] <Krinkle>	 when checking stuff that needs to be done
[17:52:47] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) add possibility to block computer instead of ip - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37003  +comment (10reza1615)
[17:53:06] <hexmode>	 Krinkle: pm'ing you about tarball.  If anyone else is interested let me know.  (I'm not trying to keep secrets, just don't know what I should say publicly)
[17:53:54] <hexmode>	 Krinkle: I look at a list of the "HIGHEST" bugs daily and also a list of unprioritized ones\
[17:54:00] <Krinkle>	 k
[17:54:09] <hexmode>	 unprioritized, non-enhancement, that is
[17:54:31] <hexmode>	 this way I can make sure I know what is coming in and what needs to be escalated
[17:55:19] <hexmode>	 also, add myself as CC on every bug I look at so I can follow up and keep track of any issues that come up -- maybe the bug is more important than I thought
[17:55:50] <Krinkle>	 I've worked with various different teams at WordPress and now with jQuery and never used priority/severity. Only milestones. The only query we actively look at is status=open&milestone=(next version) and status=open&milestone(stable version) (for regressions filed that need fixing in a .x release). 
[17:55:51] <Krinkle>	 The life of a bug would be: 1) filed (and if needed corrected to have set:) version and component. Then comes confirmation. Then milestone. Then assignee. And then either Fixed, back to Unconfirmed or Milestone moved if not important enough and release is coming up close
[17:58:17] <codurr>	 New code comment: Siebrand; Why add .gitignore in Subversion?; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/115407#c32812>
[18:00:48] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) Hide table legend by default - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36998  +comment (10Siebrand)
[18:01:36] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) making http://www.wikipedia.org/ mobile friendly - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/30389  +comment (10Tomasz Finc)
[18:02:28] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Add date picker to Special:TranlationStats - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37004  +comment (10Siebrand)
[18:04:12] <sumanah>	 HI ROan
[18:04:19] <sumanah>	 RoanKattouw: ARE YOU ON IRC YET
[18:04:36] <RoanKattouw>	 Ohai
[18:27:12] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) LocalisationUpdate is not updating translations - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36349  +comment (10Siebrand)
[18:29:04] <newcomer>	 hello @ all
[18:29:34] <Krenair>	 hi newcomer 
[18:29:41] <newcomer>	 any germans here ? because my english is not the very best :D
[18:31:35] <shantanoo>	 newcomer: don't worry. there isn't anything like 'very best english' ;)
[18:32:21] <shantanoo>	 most of the people should be able to understand what you say in english...
[18:32:39] <newcomer>	 ok, i'll try in english: i'm setting up a media wiki for a hardware open source projekt
[18:32:49] <newcomer>	 but i never worked with mediawiki before
[18:33:14] <newcomer>	 so i wanted to know if there is any good introduction for beginners
[18:33:43] <newcomer>	 better in german, but in english it's ok, too
[18:34:51] <newcomer>	 i mean, i used google of course, but all manuals are so huge, hard to understad for neeeeeewbies :D
[18:35:28] <Krenair>	 newcomer, it's pretty easy to be honest. Create a new database, unzip the file into a directory on your web server, browse to the directory and go through the install process
[18:35:49] <newcomer>	 oh, sorry
[18:35:57] <newcomer>	 i explained myslef very bad
[18:36:07] <newcomer>	 it's runnig already
[18:36:19] <Krenair>	 Oh. So what do you want help with specifically?
[18:36:23] <newcomer>	 but how to set up new articels
[18:36:37] <newcomer>	 making indexes
[18:36:47] <newcomer>	 headers, so, these things
[18:37:24] <Krenair>	 Type the name of the page in the search bar and press enter. Click the link to create the bar.
[18:37:27] <Krenair>	 the page*
[18:37:36] <Krenair>	 wtf was I thinking when I typed that? >_>
[18:47:10] <chughakshay16>	 sumanah, hi sumana,
[18:47:19] <sumanah>	 hi chughakshay16 
[18:47:26] <sumanah>	 happy pencils-up day!
[18:47:31] <chughakshay16>	 sumanah, :D
[18:47:47] <chughakshay16>	 sumanah,I assume you are not busy.. :)
[18:47:57] <sumanah>	 I can chat, chughakshay16. What's up?
[18:49:23] <chughakshay16>	 sumanah,nothing much..  I guess coding conventions is something that I need to get familiar with very soon..
[18:49:45] <sumanah>	 chughakshay16: That will be useful, yes. You know the wiki page to look at?
[18:50:02] <chughakshay16>	 sumanah, everytime i submit a change in gerrit, I end up getting a lot of negative reviews..
[18:50:07] <chughakshay16>	 sumanah, :)
[18:50:23] <sumanah>	 chughakshay16: Are you learning from them? Because that is the important thing
[18:50:50] <newcomer>	 i'm out, cu guys, thanks for the first time
[18:51:03] <chughakshay16>	 sumanah,i have to because unless I do they wont get merged..
[18:51:34] <sumanah>	 chughakshay16: yes :-)  https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Coding_conventions will help you reduce the # of negative reviews you get.
[18:52:46] <chughakshay16>	 sumanah,i mean not adding spaces at the appropriately.. not adding newline when needed..
[18:53:04] <sumanah>	 chughakshay16: Indeed, the details matter.
[18:53:37] <chughakshay16>	 sumanah,I guess with time I will become used to such details..
[18:53:40] <chughakshay16>	 sumanah, :)
[18:55:46] <chughakshay16>	 sumanah, on a different note -- have been having fun with gerrit lately..
[18:58:54] <Platonides>	 sumanah, we beated poor chughakshay16 quite a bit
[18:59:30] <chughakshay16>	 Platonides,and you still havent reviewed my code yet.. i guess its okay now :P
[18:59:34] <shantanoo>	 sumanah: heres todays question. should we use <tab> or <space> for indentation?
[18:59:59] <shantanoo>	 have seen tabs most of the time till now...
[19:00:17] <Platonides>	 you win, I'll take another look... :)
[19:00:19] <Reedy>	 tabs tabs tabs
[19:00:21] <Platonides>	 do you have the url handy?
[19:00:28] <Platonides>	 shantanoo, tabs
[19:00:40] <chughakshay16>	 Platonides,you asking me ??
[19:00:50] <shantanoo>	 any specific reason for tabs?
[19:00:54] <ashley>	 using spaces for indentation is icky...who does that nowadays? it's 2012!
[19:01:08] <shantanoo>	 <---
[19:01:09] <Platonides>	 I don't know why it was set to that in the beginnings of MW
[19:01:27] <Platonides>	 it has the benefit that people can set their tab-space to whatever they want
[19:01:28] <shantanoo>	 my editor is smart...;)
[19:01:38] <shantanoo>	 my editor is smart…;)
[19:01:41] <shantanoo>	 oops...
[19:01:44] <Platonides>	 instead of edit-warring over 2-vs-4 spaces
[19:02:09] <Platonides>	 chughakshay16, it irs easier ot ask you for the url instead of looking up :P
[19:02:21] * sumanah  defers to others regarding tabs vs spaces

[19:02:24] <chughakshay16>	 Platonides,okay., okay.. https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/8036/
[19:02:26] <shantanoo>	 Platonides: hmm. ok. 
[19:02:46] <sumanah>	 Platonides: as long as it was "tough love" and not just toughness, I thank you. :)
[19:03:08] <Krenair>	 <ashley> using spaces for indentation is icky...who does that nowadays? it's 2012!
[19:03:13] <Krenair>	 Python coders. :(
[19:03:51] <Platonides>	 well, indenting with spaces looks at what your mother would do
[19:03:57] <ashley>	 Krenair: yeah, I know, that sucks :-(
[19:04:01] <shantanoo>	 ashley: try python -c 'import this'
[19:04:01] <Platonides>	 (or your grandmother if she did computing...)
[19:04:47] <Platonides>	 I was looking yesterday for some easy patchset to review and merge, but kept finding faults everywhere :)
[19:05:15] <shantanoo>	 Platonides: productive day? :)
[19:05:23] <chughakshay16>	 Platonides,did you find any today.. ? :)
[19:05:56] <Platonides>	 well, yestarday I was going over the GSoC checklist :)
[19:06:13] <Platonides>	 chughakshay16, why are you checking $size < 0 ?
[19:06:34] <Platonides>	 I don't think you can have a page with a negative number of characters :)
[19:06:59] <shantanoo>	 Reedy, Platonides is there any pre-commit hook which removes trailing spaces?
[19:07:06] <Reedy>	 Probably
[19:07:08] <chughakshay16>	 Platonides,because it shouldnt be a negative integer..
[19:07:43] <Reedy>	 find . -name '*.php' -exec sed -i 's/[[:blank:]]*$//g' '{}' \;
[19:07:47] <Platonides>	 something like sed -i 's/ +$//' <some varialbe holding files>
[19:08:06] <chughakshay16>	 Platonides,it wouldnt be wise to perform a query if user has entered a negative integer..
[19:08:36] <Platonides>	 but if he entered a negative integer you're using $conds[] = 'page_len <=' . $size;
[19:08:52] <shantanoo>	 Reedy, Platonides not that way. in the .git hooks directory...
[19:08:59] <Reedy>	 yeah
[19:09:03] <Reedy>	 just run a command like that
[19:09:19] <Reedy>	 google it?
[19:09:20] <Reedy>	 http://stackoverflow.com/questions/591923/make-git-automatically-remove-trailing-whitespace-before-committing
[19:10:19] <shantanoo>	 Reedy: hmmm. ok. not enforced at project level...
[19:10:28] <Reedy>	 i logged a bug about that
[19:10:58] <chughakshay16>	 Platonides,let me change it .
[19:12:44] <Platonides>	 sumanah, I replied yesterday the points of the list
[19:13:01] <Platonides>	 I hope you don't fail me for not providing a gitweb for a given commit ;)
[19:13:24] <shantanoo>	 hashar: hi. around?
[19:13:29] <hashar>	 no sorry
[19:13:39] <^demon>	 Reedy: Can't be done, no pre-receive hooks.
[19:13:49] <Krinkle-away>	 can someone unmute gerrit-wm please?
[19:13:53] <shantanoo>	 that was fast...
[19:13:56] <Platonides>	 I don't have op here
[19:14:18] <chughakshay16>	 Platonides,https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/8036/
[19:14:27] <chughakshay16>	 Platonides,uploaded a new patchset..
[19:14:31] <^demon>	 Platonides: File a RfO :)
[19:14:49] <shantanoo>	 was looking at https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/7253/3/manifests/media-storage.pp diff
[19:14:51] <Platonides>	 ;)
[19:15:06] <Platonides>	 chughakshay16, on the bright side, you're getting a lot of feedback
[19:15:06] <shantanoo>	 is this specific to mediawiki configuration?
[19:15:07] <chughakshay16>	 Platonides,what was i thinking when i wrote $size < 0
[19:15:14] <^demon>	 Platonides: I think brion has founder rights, ask him. I'd +1 it :)
[19:15:33] <Platonides>	 brion, I know you're online, so...
[19:16:54] <shantanoo>	 there's small assumption in that fix. nginx and apache both run on same port. then only apache should be stopped…imo.
[19:29:31] <chughakshay16>	 Platonides,i just hope this one would take care of everything - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/8036/
[19:31:46] <brion>	 i don't think i've got founder rights :)
[19:33:03] <Krenair>	 Xirzon (Eloquence) does
[19:33:07] <Platonides>	 you seem to have plenty of rights: +votsriRfA 
[19:33:20] <Platonides>	 I was wondering who was Xirzon :P
[19:33:40] <Danny_B|backup>	 rfo?
[19:34:05] <Krenair>	 Request for Operator or something??
[19:34:08] <Platonides>	 yep
[19:35:21] <Danny_B|backup>	 whoever is op on mw.o should be op here
[19:36:18] <shantanoo>	 chughakshay16: quick question. when you are calculating size, how is size defined? e.g. http://dpaste.org/9POjq/
[19:37:02] <shantanoo>	 :)
[19:37:04] <shantanoo>	 :(*
[19:40:07] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Problem with license combinations - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36747  +comment (10Trevor Parscal)
[19:42:36] <dassouki>	 What do i need to setup on my server to enable medi emails? it seems that wikimedia is unable to send emails
[19:43:07] <Krenair>	 wut? wikimedia sends emails all the time
[19:43:11] <dassouki>	 Mailer returned: Unknown error in PHP's mail() function.
[19:43:16] <dassouki>	 sorry i meant my hosted version
[19:43:23] <Danny_B|backup>	 mediawiki
[19:44:06] <Reedy>	 !email
[19:44:15] <Platonides>	 dassouki, what kind of server is it?
[19:44:15] <wm-bot>	 For information about setting up email, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Email#Email_settings>. For extensions, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Category:Email_extensions>
[19:44:30] <dassouki>	 Platonides: ubuntu 11 running under linode
[19:44:50] <Danny_B|backup>	 hmm, any channel i see, reedy is opped on... ;-)
[19:45:28] <Platonides>	 dassouki, does sendmail work?
[19:46:07] <Platonides>	 Danny_B|backup, look at reedy at  #wikimedia-toolserver #wikimedia-operations #wikimedia-tech #wikimedia #wikimedia-commons #wikipedia or #wikimedia-labs
[19:46:16] <shantanoo>	 dassouki: is any MTA (sendmail/postfix/exim/qmail/ etc.) installed on it?
[19:48:13] <wikibugs>	 14(DUP) Language::isValidBuiltInCode must be passed a string, NULL given - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36992  +comment (10Chad H.)
[19:48:14] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) exception 'MWException' with message 'Language::isValidBuiltInCode must be passed a string, NULL given' - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36988  +comment (10Chad H.)
[19:54:24] <codurr>	 03hashar * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/115412> 10/trunk/tools/wikibugs/wikibugs:
[19:54:24] <codurr>	 change dir: /var/wikibugs /var/lib/wikibugs/log
[19:54:24] <codurr>	 Wikibugs runs under username 'wikibugs' which now has its homedir under
[19:54:24] <codurr>	 /var/lib/wikibugs
[19:55:42] <Reedy>	 here we go..
[20:11:13] <wikibugs>	 04(REOPENED) Namespace Alias alternatives for fa.wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/30743  +comment (10reza1615)
[20:11:57] <varnent>	 sumanah: ping
[20:13:53] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Garbled text in the centralised page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37005 normal; MediaWiki extensions: ArticleFeedbackv5; (okeyes)
[20:16:11] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) book alias for fa.wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37006 normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (reza.energy)
[20:16:54] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) book alias for fa.wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37006  normal->15enhancement;  +shell (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[20:19:25] <fastily>	 By any chance, is there an available dev here who'd be willing to help me with a server-side upload? https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=36967
[20:19:40] <sumanah>	 hi varnent 
[20:19:55] <sumanah>	 Platonides: thanks for the email, and no I won't be unhappy due to the lack of the gitweb link
[20:19:56] <sumanah>	 :)
[20:20:00] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) book alias for fa.wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37006  +comment (10reza1615)
[20:21:36] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) IE Font Sizing Bug - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/24515  +comment (10Alex)
[20:22:41] * aharoni  scratches his head

[20:23:56] <aharoni>	 does this look like a correct command for anonymously cloning an extension? `git clone https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/p/mediawiki/extensions/ProofreadPage.git'
[20:25:24] <^demon>	 aharoni: Yes.
[20:25:56] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) delete deployment-web* instances - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36870  +comment (10Antoine "hashar" Musso)
[20:26:40] <sumanah>	 hi Chad
[20:26:59] <sumanah>	 ^demon: I presume your college stuff is almost done? congrats :)
[20:27:17] <^demon>	 5 weeks to go :)
[20:27:24] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) find a better home for /home/wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36868   +ops (10Rob Lanphier)
[20:27:54] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) find a better home for /home/wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36868  (10Rob Lanphier)
[20:28:03] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Labs cluster dies daily at roughly 6:30 UTC - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36993  +comment (10Antoine "hashar" Musso)
[20:29:04] <aharoni>	 ^demon, this command gives me: "error: gnutls_handshake() failed: A TLS packet with unexpected length was received. while accessing https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/p/mediawiki/extensions/ProofreadPage.git/info/refs"
[20:29:24] <^demon>	 no clue. worksforme :\
[20:30:35] <Platonides>	 works for me, too
[20:30:43] <Platonides>	 can you clone other https repositories?
[20:33:42] <codurr>	 03raymond * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/115413> 10/trunk/extensions/ (32 files in 30 dirs): Localisation updates from http://translatewiki.net.
[20:33:54] <aharoni>	 Platonides, ^demon , no, everything fails.
[20:34:07] <Platonides>	 even from other servers?
[20:34:13] <aharoni>	 cloning using ssh and my username does work.
[20:34:15] <Platonides>	 looks like a problem of your gnutls install
[20:34:34] <Platonides>	 or perhaps you have an idiot proxy returning html instead of the handshake
[20:35:19] <p858snake|l_>	 ^demon: could we change the gerrit2 email address to the mailing list for those that still want it, (or unless it pointing to noc@ serves a greater purpose)
[20:35:59] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) verify /mnt/upload6 user rights - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37007 normal; Wikimedia Labs: deployment-prep ("beta"); (hashar)
[20:36:18] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) verify /mnt/upload6 user rights - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37007  normal->minor (10Antoine "hashar" Musso)
[20:37:29] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) NewUserMessage extensions breaks login - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33609  +comment (10Alex)
[20:38:10] <Jag>	 Hi guys! Does anybody know how to retrieve the references from a page through the API? All I found was a query to the all the external links in a page but I think external links != references. Thanks!
[20:39:03] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) verify /mnt/upload6 user rights - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37007  +comment (10Platonides)
[20:39:11] <Reedy>	 It's not extracted
[20:40:44] <Wikinaut>	 [Wikitech-l] some people complained already about my recent security alerts for PHP, OpenOffice, LibreOffice... in consequence: you will NOT receive further major security alerts
[20:40:51] <Wikinaut>	 b ymail
[20:41:08] <sumanah>	 Hi Jag  
[20:41:24] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) make use of /mnt/thumbs - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37008 normal; Wikimedia Labs: deployment-prep ("beta"); (hashar)
[20:41:36] <Platonides>	 the php alert was a bit related to wikitech
[20:41:49] <Platonides>	 the libreoffice one, I'm afraid was not
[20:42:14] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) find a better home for /home/wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36868  +comment (10Faidon Liambotis)
[20:42:45] <Platonides>	 (I appreciate it, but it was offtopic)
[20:45:18] <Krenair>	 Yeah, the PHP one seems fine considering it's used all over the place by basically everyone on the list.
[20:45:49] <Krenair>	 But as much as I love FOSS, LibreOffice, etc., that's just off-topic for wikitech tbh
[20:46:50] <varnent>	 sumanah: ha - sorry - missed your reply  :)
[20:47:28] <varnent>	 sumanah: so someone asked me - DanielR from Vista - if we had any new ideas or things in the works to help communication with developers not engaged in IRC
[20:48:44] <varnent>	 sumanah: I mentioned the wiki site and blog - but I wonder if beefing up the developer hub or doing some type of e-newsletter like the signpost - or a devo part of signpost - may help - just wanted to pass along those quick brainstorming thoughts
[20:49:44] <sumanah>	 Jag, did you see what Reedy said to you?
[20:49:59] <sumanah>	 varnent: Daniel Renfro! Right! What were his ideas?
[20:50:22] <varnent>	 sumanah: waiting to hear back - but I asked him what types of things he would find helpful
[20:51:03] <sumanah>	 varnent: we already have our mailing lists, the tech blog entries, the MediaWiki.org activity pages, the monthly report, @MediaWikiMeet on Twitter & Identi.ca
[20:51:21] <varnent>	 sumanah: yeah - I was pondering that..
[20:51:23] <sumanah>	 varnent: as well as the tech page of the signpost itself.
[20:52:01] <sumanah>	 varnent: I think the Signpost tech report is a great resource and simply publicizing that wider would be a good start
[20:52:11] <sumanah>	 varnent: but honestly, what is the audience and the objective here?
[20:52:27] <varnent>	 sumanah: perhaps the issue is that someone like DanielR isn't aware of all of that - so maybe we should check if those are all listed on like the comm page and devo hub on mw.org
[20:52:35] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) "[X] This is a tool icon" showing on a random page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36968  +comment (10Platonides)
[20:53:01] <sumanah>	 Jag: can we talk here so others can help you?
[20:53:04] <varnent>	 sumanah: my impression was the audience is a semi-engaged developer that doesn't want to sift through emails and just wants to get occasional updates on MW related activities and updates they may want to know about
[20:53:07] <Wikinaut>	 hey, regarding the off-topic post: I already said: "some people complained already about my recent security alerts for PHP, OpenOffice, LibreOffice... in consequence: you will NOT receive further major security alerts"
[20:53:55] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) move the logbot to stable instance - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36090  +comment (10Antoine "hashar" Musso)
[20:53:59] <sumanah>	 biab
[20:54:16] <varnent>	 sumanah: signpost only emails to listservs - is it possible for someone not on the listservs to have it emailed to them?
[20:54:17] <Jag>	 sumanah: Yes. I'm sorry about that. So the only way to retrieve the references from wikipedia is to retrieve the wikitext and parse it myself?
[20:55:00] <varnent>	 Jag: are you trying to display them elsewhere? like on another wiki?
[20:55:20] <chrismcmahon>	 varnent: I'm interested in that sort of communication as well as we start to build a testing community (people who like to find issues with features/software for some reason but otherwise aren't generally interested in day-to-day comms)
[20:56:25] <varnent>	 chrismcmahon: to some extent I see more info on mw.org being a solution - which is already happening - and I think wikiprojects make a nice way of grouping interested participants - but the issue of how to communicate with those subgroups is maybe already resolved - or may just need some tweaking to what we already do - not sure
[20:57:01] <varnent>	 I think sumanah brings up a great point that it's probably not a lack of things already out there - might just be a matter of delivery and helping folks connect the dots..so to speak
[20:57:21] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) continue does not work in some cases for prop=iwlinks&iwcontinue and list=iwbacklinks&iwblcontinue - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/29290  +comment (10Brad Jorsch)
[20:57:23] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) List allpages has endless loop with case-sensitive titles, apfrom broken - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36987  +comment (10Brad Jorsch)
[20:57:26] <Jag>	 varnent: I'm not planning to display it elsewhere. I'm just experimenting with the links found in the references 
[20:58:02] <varnent>	 Jag: okay - was just wondering  :)  I think parsing them from enWP is probably your best bet
[20:58:34] <Jag>	 varnent: Okay I'll try that. Thanks guys!
[21:01:05] <chrismcmahon>	 varnent: I'm experimenting with having "events", bring people together for a couple hours for a specific purpose, make sure they have a good time, invite them to the next event.  Did one May 5, got another coming up June 9, will see how it goes. 
[21:01:54] <varnent>	 chrismcmahon: let me know - there are a few wikiprojects on MW.org that can help serve as a model for documenting and promoting the events under one umbrella
[21:02:11] <varnent>	 extension, sysadmins, bug squad are current ones - so maybe this is bug squad related?
[21:03:04] <aharoni>	 Is Article Feedback v5 supposed to work on the English Wikipedia now?
[21:03:10] <aharoni>	 I don't see it on any articles.
[21:03:34] <chrismcmahon>	 varnent: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/OpenHatch_Testing_June_2012, also http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User_talk:Cmcmahon#OpenHatch_Article_Feedback_Tool_9_June_Test_Plan
[21:03:57] <varnent>	 excellent - maybe OpenHatch project?
[21:04:17] <varnent>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Project:WikiProject_Bug_Squad
[21:05:58] <chrismcmahon>	 varnent: Bug Squad is catching, testing community is pitching :-)
[21:06:09] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) verify /mnt/upload6 user rights - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37007  +comment (10Antoine "hashar" Musso)
[21:06:39] <chrismcmahon>	 varnent: starting off with projects involving outside groups like Weekend Testing and Openhatch, then things will get more interesting. 
[21:06:43] <varnent>	 member:chrismcmahon: would you be open to the idea of a new project then?  I like the idea of being able to recognize folks for their involvement in group efforts and having an easy central place to document activity
[21:07:57] <varnent>	 chrismcmahon: bah - sorry - funky c&p there
[21:09:40] <varnent>	 chrismcmahon: either way - plz keep me posted on how it develops and let me know if I can help with the coordination side of things  :)
[21:10:17] <chrismcmahon>	 varnent: likewise.  
[21:12:02] <chrismcmahon>	 varnent: I don't know if there is a general solution, but Weekend Testing has done a good job of this over several years and a few continents.  I think I want to tweak that formula.
[21:12:32] <varnent>	 chrismcmahon: I like that idea as a construct for events
[21:12:44] <p858snake|l_>	 aharoni: probably, i would say ask roan but it looks like he has ran away
[21:31:52] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) "[X] This is a tool icon" showing on a random page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36968  +comment (10Ryan Kaldari)
[21:45:39] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Chromium error - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37009 normal; MediaWiki extensions: PageTriage; (okeyes)
[21:46:07] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Chromium error - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37009  +comment (10Oliver Keyes)
[21:57:27] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) "[X] This is a tool icon" showing on a random page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36968  +comment (10Krenair)
[22:00:13] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Chromium error - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37009  +comment (10Ryan Kaldari)
[22:03:00] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Chromium error - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37009  +comment (10Ryan Kaldari)
[22:07:34] <Reedy>	 lol, merge conflicts
[22:07:41] <Reedy>	 I'll just do it manually
[22:13:11] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) find a better home for /home/wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36868  +comment (10Antoine "hashar" Musso)
[22:15:40] <AaronSchulz>	 TimStarling: can you cr https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/8013/ ?
[22:18:45] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Review Extension:SignupAPI for deployment - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36225  +comment (10Steven Walling)
[22:28:36] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Export and PDF generator returns "file not found" error on completion - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36950  +comment (10Aaron Schulz)
[22:31:01] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) Export and PDF generator returns "file not found" error on completion - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36950  +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[22:32:12] <AaronSchulz>	 TimStarling: thanks, and https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/8031/1 is fairly simple
[22:59:19] <dassouki>	 how does mediawiki interact with the email server?
[23:04:48] <brion>	 dassouki: by default, through PHP's mail() function
[23:04:55] <brion>	 can be configured to use SMTP explicitly as well
[23:29:02] <Krenair>	 Thehelpfulone, all users have editbugs now?
[23:29:27] <Thehelpfulone>	 I thought so?
[23:29:50] <Thehelpfulone>	 I'll just check...
[23:31:06] <Thehelpfulone>	 ok 15525 users in total and 14573 users with edit bugs 
[23:31:36] <Thehelpfulone>	 hexmode: ^ do you know the reason for the discrepancy?
[23:48:52] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) TOR block not working anymore - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/30716  +comment (10Chris Steipp)
[23:54:34] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) custom license: wrong link to Copyright_tags - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33544  +comment (10Mike Morearty)