[00:01:42] 03(mod) Deploy Ukrainian and Rusyn special page names - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37402 +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy)) [00:01:49] New review: Kaldari; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/PageTriage] (master); V: 1 C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/10675 [00:01:51] Change merged: Kaldari; [mediawiki/extensions/PageTriage] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/10675 [00:05:12] 03(mod) #info: produces incorrect output (1.8 alpha) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/29683 summary; +comment (10[[kgh]]) [00:11:39] New patchset: Kaldari; "Fixing up the param buttons" [mediawiki/extensions/PageTriage] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/10736 [00:12:37] New patchset: Bsitu; " use slave db when possible for page id validation" [mediawiki/extensions/PageTriage] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/10737 [00:27:27] New review: Bsitu; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/PageTriage] (master); V: 1 C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/10735 [00:27:29] Change merged: Bsitu; [mediawiki/extensions/PageTriage] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/10735 [00:30:31] New review: Bsitu; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/PageTriage] (master); V: 1 C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/10736 [00:30:33] Change merged: Bsitu; [mediawiki/extensions/PageTriage] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/10736 [00:38:50] New review: Kaldari; "1 minor coding style issue, waiting for Krinkle's unit test before reviewing further." [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: -1; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/8991 [00:51:29] New review: Catrope; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5] (master); V: 1 C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/10543 [00:51:31] Change merged: Catrope; [mediawiki/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/10543 [00:52:51] New review: Catrope; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5] (master); V: 1 C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/10454 [00:52:53] Change merged: Catrope; [mediawiki/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/10454 [00:58:39] New review: Catrope; "Two minor issues but looks good otherwise" [mediawiki/extensions/AbuseFilter] (master); V: 0 C: -1; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/10394 [01:04:50] 03(mod) DjVu thumbs failing - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35895 +comment (10Amgine) [01:05:40] 03(mod) Isolate parser from database dependencies - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/25984 +comment (10_Vi) [01:30:48] Jasper_Deng: The answer is that the author put it there: https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Extension:Zend_Search_Lucene_for_MediaWiki&diff=next&oldid=386161 [01:36:14] Krenair could you look at #wikimedia-tech if possble? [01:36:21] http://puu.sh/zGo9 <- [01:50:07] Krenair: so should I revert? [01:50:38] No [01:50:45] But it explains why it was there in the first place [01:51:08] interesting [01:57:53] Query: Do I need to htmlspecialchars() a text area value before spitting it back as a value for for a text area? [01:58:12] 03(mod) Make expiry time for email confirmation links configurable - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37411 (10duplicatebug) [01:58:13] 03(mod) make email confirmation code expiration time configurable - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/27159 (10duplicatebug) [02:34:24] how can I output 0.50 with #expr? [02:34:35] I want to have n many trailing zeros [02:34:51] this is to show significant figures [02:37:26] New patchset: Reedy; "Add a bit more slave waiting..." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/10738 [02:39:28] New review: jenkins-bot; "Build Successful " [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 1 C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/10738 [02:56:57] http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Firearm&dir=prev&limit=2&action=history [02:57:08] so why is it that jimbos edit shows such a massive minus? [02:57:51] That's a bug [03:19:50] can someone please suggest a very simple extension to look at which ads a text field to user extension? [03:19:59] ...a preference, I mean [03:20:20] can someone please suggest a simple extension to look at which adds a user preference with a text field in it? [03:20:27] ToAruShiroiNeko, I think that is https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=36976 [03:20:51] as a starting point to make a new extension? [03:26:10] 03(mod) Category listings are not updated when deletion of or edits to a template change the category membership of transcluding pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/5382 +comment (10Brad Jorsch) [03:26:24] * lbtc found http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:PreferencesExtension which should do [04:01:34] 03(mod) New Format: Rank - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/22140 +comment (10MWJames) [04:29:33] New review: Catrope; "Looks good except that you shouldn't be writing your own JSON encoder" [mediawiki/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5] (master); V: 0 C: -1; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/10355 [04:53:03] 03(mod) clicking or editing a missing special property page gives no indication that it's special - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/11768 +comment (10Jan Schoonderbeek) [06:36:39] 03(mod) Call to a member function getAssociation() on a non-object in ...Consumer.php on line 945 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36924 +comment (10T. Gries) [06:40:29] New patchset: Logicwiki; "Tamil99 ksh bug" [mediawiki/extensions/Narayam] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/10739 [07:12:40] New review: Logicwiki; "http://www.tn.gov.in/gosdb/gorders/it/it_e_29_2010.pdf" [mediawiki/extensions/Narayam] (master) C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/10739 [07:26:14] 14(DUP) Passive reviewer status in de.wikipedia.org is not applied automatically although conditions are met - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36357 +comment (10Michael M.) [07:26:14] 03(mod) Autopromotion to autoreview doesn't always work - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37403 +comment (10Michael M.) [07:27:39] New review: Catrope; "What Kaldari said. If you amend this commit to remove that comment it'll be good to go in." [mediawiki/extensions/LastModified] (master); V: 0 C: -1; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/10734 [08:53:27] New review: John Erling Blad; "New changes seems okey, but some old bugs are reintroduced.ApiSetAliases.php and ApiSetAliasesTest.p..." [mediawiki/extensions/WikidataRepo] (master); V: 0 C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/10727 [09:29:26] New review: John Erling Blad; "Commented bug found during testing." [mediawiki/extensions/WikidataRepo] (master); V: 0 C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/10727 [10:10:03] New patchset: Vlakoff; "Remove useless test in getParamValue function of mediawiki.util.js" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/10740 [10:12:07] New review: jenkins-bot; "Build Successful " [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 1 C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/10740 [10:27:14] New patchset: Vlakoff; "Remove useless test in getParamValue function of mediawiki.util.js" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/10740 [10:29:15] New review: jenkins-bot; "Build Successful " [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 1 C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/10740 [11:01:48] 03(mod) HTML tags shouldn't be escaped before passing to MathJax - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36059 +comment (10nageh) [12:09:38] New review: MaxSem; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 1 C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/10738 [12:09:41] Change merged: MaxSem; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/10738 [12:15:22] New review: MaxSem; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/PageTriage] (master); V: 0 C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/10737 [12:19:08] 03(mod) Isolate parser from database dependencies - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/25984 +comment (10Platonides) [12:24:15] 03(NEW) [SMW] [ROADMAP] [OPEN] Improve JSON format - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37418 normal; MediaWiki extensions: Semantic MediaWiki; (jamesin.hongkong.1) [12:25:24] 03(mod) [SMW] [ROADMAP] [OPEN] Improve JSON format - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37418 +comment (10MWJames) [12:26:12] hi, any body [12:31:51] why support maintenance/removeUnusedAccounts.php doesn't remove unused accounts? [12:31:53] evgen2 finds a bloody body in the floor of the channel [12:32:45] probably due to the log entry about the user creation [12:33:29] hmm, it is bug or feature? [12:37:42] the introduction of the creation log pretty much removed the usefulness of that script [12:37:57] (if it's really that what is preventing it to remove them) [12:38:35] it should probably orphan it [12:40:02] there is a big number of spammers that can create account but have no edits [12:45:25] 03(mod) Deploy extension Memento on Wikipedia sites - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34778 +comment (10Platonides) [12:48:14] 03(mod) JSON output from #ask does not escape " - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/23946 (10MWJames) [12:48:14] 03(mod) [SMW] [ROADMAP] [OPEN] Improve JSON format - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37418 (10MWJames) [12:48:52] 03(mod) [SRF] 1.7 #subobject reuse fails on JSON, RDF,RSS, CSV, and BibTex export - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34783 (10MWJames) [12:48:52] 03(mod) [SMW] [ROADMAP] [OPEN] Improve JSON format - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37418 (10MWJames) [12:49:53] 03(mod) Quotation mark in page title produces wrong JSON export - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36438 (10MWJames) [12:49:54] 03(mod) [SMW] [ROADMAP] [OPEN] Improve JSON format - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37418 (10MWJames) [13:01:52] evgen2: create a bugzilla report and someone will fix it [13:06:21] Betacommand: seems it is created https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=34581 [13:20:05] 03(NEW) Rewriting of the index pages configuration - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37419 enhancement; MediaWiki extensions: ProofreadPage; (thomaspt) [13:21:23] New patchset: Tpt; "Creation of json config file proofreadpage_data_config that replace proofreadpage_index_attributes and proofreadpage_js_attributes. Rewritting of the index form generator." [mediawiki/extensions/ProofreadPage] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/10741 [13:22:21] New patchset: Krinkle; "Vector: clean up js/css" [mediawiki/extensions/Vector] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/10742 [13:25:10] New review: Krinkle; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/Vector] (master); V: 1 C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/10742 [13:25:33] New review: Krinkle; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/Vector] (master); V: 1 C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/10742 [13:25:36] Change merged: Krinkle; [mediawiki/extensions/Vector] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/10742 [13:26:27] Beau_, hey [13:26:44] I'm noticing something very strange about action=options [13:27:23] When I change timecorrection-other, it gets changed in the DB [13:27:37] But when I look at Special:Preferences, the field is unchanged [13:27:44] The same happens with a lot of other preferences [13:28:46] * [Beau_] idle 243:50:34, signon: Fri May 11 06:07:31 [13:28:47] lol [13:34:45] 03(mod) SemanticMediaWiki: A user-defined property reported as a special one. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35761 +comment (10MWJames) [13:36:49] I'll file a bug when I have time [13:42:30] New patchset: Umherirrender; "(bug 33222) Add parentid to revision in export xml" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/10743 [13:44:08] 03(mod) add parent_id to export/dump - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33222 +comment (10Umherirrender) [13:44:30] New review: jenkins-bot; "Build Successful " [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 1 C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/10743 [14:09:40] New patchset: Krinkle; "Deprecate no longer used Skin::getCommonStylePath." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/10744 [14:11:41] New review: jenkins-bot; "Build Successful " [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 1 C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/10744 [14:14:18] New review: Krinkle; "Looks good other wise :)" [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/9967 [14:20:09] Hallo. What is the branch that actually runs on the live Wikimedia cluster? wmf/1.20wmf4? [14:20:25] currently, yup [14:20:34] That'll start changing again on monday [14:20:52] So usually, something like [14:20:55] oops [14:21:23] So usually, something like wmf, where is the highest current number, is the current branch? [14:22:01] yes [14:22:01] It's done over a 2 week period, so we have X and X+1 running for most of it [14:22:15] although different WMF wikis may be at different versions [14:22:22] look at Special:Version [14:22:48] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki_1.20/Roadmap [14:23:11] New patchset: John Erling Blad; "Changed removeLinkSite to removeSiteLink to make it concistent with addSiteLink. Similar changes must also be done in the API, ie. without such changes it will break if this patchset is merged." [mediawiki/extensions/WikibaseLib] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/10745 [14:23:43] New patchset: Santhosh; "Allow setting message group state for a group only for specific user right" [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/10551 [14:29:33] New patchset: Reedy; "jQuery UI 1.8.21" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/10746 [14:31:33] New review: jenkins-bot; "Build Successful " [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 1 C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/10746 [14:42:21] New patchset: John Erling Blad; "Updates to isolalation between API and internal storage" [mediawiki/extensions/WikidataRepo] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/10727 [15:02:17] 03(mod) Rewriting of the index pages configuration - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37419 +comment (10Tpt) [15:08:51] how would I create an external link in an old-style log message? bar used to work, but since 1.19 it doesn't work and wikitext external link syntax doesn't work either... [15:09:57] New review: Krinkle; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 1 C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/10746 [15:09:59] Change merged: Krinkle; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/10746 [15:12:01] 03(NEW) Output problematic source information to a wikipage - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37420 enhancement; Monuments database: Sources; (maarten) [15:12:23] New patchset: John Erling Blad; "Additional entries for Wikibase.settings.php and removing spourious tabs." [mediawiki/extensions/WikidataRepo] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/10727 [15:14:59] 03(NEW) 'lat' and 'lon' are sent as strings in JSON output, should probably be numbers - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37421 normal; Monuments database: API; (maarten) [15:16:25] 03(NEW) Lat/lon should be NULL when empty - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37422 enhancement; Monuments database: Database; (maarten) [15:16:48] New patchset: Liangent; "Use a new message for subtitle of edit view when creating filter" [mediawiki/extensions/AbuseFilter] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/10747 [15:25:20] New patchset: Krinkle; "Qunit tests for custom language rules for various languages." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/10096 [15:27:20] New review: jenkins-bot; "Build Successful " [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 1 C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/10096 [15:27:22] New review: Krinkle; "Marking -1 because I can't get the unit tests to pass." [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: -1; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/10096 [15:28:11] New review: Krinkle; "I've also rebased it for the current master, it didn't apply cleanly. Also tweaked the logic a bit t..." [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: -1; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/10096 [15:33:30] New review: John Erling Blad; "The last test that fails, Wikibase\Test\ItemViewTest::testGetHTML is introduced earlier in this patc..." [mediawiki/extensions/WikidataRepo] (master); V: 0 C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/10727 [15:34:35] 03(mod) Qunit tests cannot be executed for multiple content languages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37321 +comment (10Krinkle) [15:40:14] New review: Aaron Schulz; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/10683 [15:40:17] Change merged: Aaron Schulz; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/10683 [15:42:40] New patchset: John Erling Blad; "Fix for the failing test." [mediawiki/extensions/WikidataRepo] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/10727 [15:45:47] 03(FIXED) Edit section links do not display while using diff=curr - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33671 +comment (10Brad Jorsch) [15:47:54] New patchset: Krinkle; "mw.language: Document ability to set multiple values at once." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/10748 [15:49:34] New review: John Erling Blad; "Note that this depends upon 10745 due o a name change from removeLinkSite to removeSiteLink" [mediawiki/extensions/WikidataRepo] (master); V: 0 C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/10727 [15:50:00] New review: jenkins-bot; "Build Successful " [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 1 C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/10748 [15:53:10] New patchset: Krinkle; "(bug 35082) addPortletLink incorrectly adds to mutiple

New review: jenkins-bot; "Build Successful " [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 1 C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/10665 [15:55:33] New review: Krinkle; "Patch set 2: Dixed typo in commit-msg." [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/10665 [16:05:12] New review: Krinkle; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/CentralAuth] (master); V: 0 C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/7274 [16:12:04] New review: Santhosh; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/core] (master) C: 1; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/10748 [16:13:26] 03(mod) EditWarning: Does not appear when search box is used - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/30101 summary (10Krinkle) [16:13:33] New patchset: Krinkle; "(bug 30101) EditWarning: Does not appear when search box is used Patch contributor: Michael M. Tested in FF, Chrome, and IE" [mediawiki/extensions/Vector] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5734 [16:14:04] New patchset: Krinkle; "(bug 30101) EditWarning: Does not appear when search box is used" [mediawiki/extensions/Vector] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5734 [16:14:18] New review: Krinkle; "Rebased." [mediawiki/extensions/Vector] (master); V: 1 C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5734 [16:14:21] Change merged: Krinkle; [mediawiki/extensions/Vector] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5734 [16:36:53] hi chris_mcmahon [16:37:08] hi sumanah [16:37:59] chris_mcmahon: Figured I'd drop in a little early to see if there's anything that still needs doing for the testing event [16:38:13] chris_mcmahon: will you fill in the "to come" bits in https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Article_feedback/Testing_June_2012 or remove them from the table? [16:38:50] New review: John Erling Blad; "Will be replaced by 10728." [mediawiki/extensions/WikibaseLib] (master); V: 0 C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/10745 [16:40:03] removed [16:40:59] chris_mcmahon: how many signups do you have? [16:41:53] 16 last I heard from Asheesh [16:41:57] paulproteus: chris_mcmahon: is the order of https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/QA/Article_Feedback_Test_Plan correct and most useful to participants? Objective, Platforms/Browsers, Pages, Setup, Procedures, If you find a problem, Technical resources? [16:42:22] I think so [16:42:59] so setup is *fourth*? [16:43:21] hi paulproteus [16:43:54] I'd say setup should be before "pages" .... and "Procedures" might be renamed to something a little more plain-English, like "What to do"? [16:44:08] any objection? [16:44:18] setup is all optional [16:44:35] Morning! [16:45:06] chris_mcmahon: it is? [16:45:08] hm [16:45:16] community testing for Wikipedia Article Feedback starts here in 15 minutes [16:45:28] chris_mcmahon: I'll label it something like "optional extras" then, because "setup" sounds like "gotta do this!" [16:45:28] chris_mcmahon + sumanah: Again, happy to add you as read/write on the doc. 19 signups is what we have now. [16:45:38] sumanah: go ahead [16:47:47] chris_mcmahon: "Note: we are testing the real, live website, so please be respectful".... what would "respectful" mean here? [16:49:07] sumanah: if there's a question about what respectful means, we could address that in the course of the testing [16:49:16] what's your answer right now, though? :) [16:49:48] because I'm actually not sure whether it's ok to, for example, make false criticisms [16:49:55] I just want to warn people that we're dealing with real feedback on real articles, and to have a bit of care as they go about testing [16:50:21] sumanah: the Golden Crowned Sparrow page is for that sort of thing, noted in the TP [16:50:24] chris_mcmahon: right, but what kind of fake behavior is ok? [16:50:39] Howdy savy2020 [16:51:15] chris_mcmahon: ok, so, "inappropriate feedback" -- so, it's ok to make false criticisms? what about cursing, non sequiturs, threats....? [16:51:20] sumanah: pretty much anything that isn't actively harmful to another user is probably OK [16:51:54] sumanah: we have filters for that. you can try it on the Sparrow page and see what happens [16:52:08] ok, so the kind of inappropriate feedback that would be ok to give is, like, non sequiturs, false or nonsensical criticisms of the page content, and requests for help [16:52:34] hi there tparveen! [16:52:43] hey [16:52:43] tparveen: ironing out a few questions right now with chris_mcmahon & paulproteus [16:52:49] hello Sumana [16:52:52] hi Krenair! https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/QA/Article_Feedback_Test_Plan [16:53:36] chris_mcmahon: check out what I was able to do with https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/QA/Article_Feedback_Test_Plan#If_you_find_a_bug [16:53:41] hi tparveen nice to see you [16:53:55] paulproteus: Hello. [16:54:02] Hello Chris [16:54:02] sumanah: Thanks for the link :) [16:54:44] sumanah: Great to have you helping run this show (: [16:54:54] I'll mostly observe, unless you need me to spring into action, in which case I will. [16:56:15] chris_mcmahon: what would you prefer? ^^^ [16:57:29] sumanah: bugzilla is best, but I'll also be a point of contact for information [16:58:04] chris_mcmahon: (the specific thing I wanted you to notice there, which I should have pointed out explicitly: the special link that prefills product, component, and keyword) [16:58:23] Welcome gloo [16:58:36] sumanah: thanks, I didn't know we could do that :) [16:59:17] I agree sumana, the prefill feature is great!!! [17:00:18] hi SeySayux, Thorncrag, shantanoo , pranavrc , klrmn -- ready for the testing event? :) [17:00:58] one more minute and then we'll get started [17:01:59] chris_mcmahon: what would you prefer? ^^^ (re Asheesh observing or helping you lead) [17:02:16] Hello and welcome and thanks for being here, I'm Chris McMahon, Quality Assurance Lead for the Wikimedia Foundation [17:02:40] Today we'll be testing the new Article Feedback system for Wikipedia, Article Feedback Tool version 5, or AFTv5 [17:02:56] This is a two hour session. The first 30 minutes we'll spend on background, questions, discussion. Then we'll be testing for an hour. The last 30 minutes we'll have a debriefing session where we wrap up what we did and what happened in the session. [17:03:19] \o/ yay [17:03:22] Feel free to introduce yourself in the channel and say a little about who you are! [17:03:35] I know paulproteus is here from Openhatch [17:03:44] and sumanah from WMF [17:03:55] and tparveen is an expert tester [17:03:56] I'm Sumana Harihareswara, Engineering Community Manager for the Wikimedia Foundation. I help volunteers find projects and fix problems. [17:04:00] who else is here? [17:04:23] I am Tauhida Parveen, QA contractor testing TimedMedia Handler [17:04:30] An advocate of Exploratory testing [17:04:40] and like to get people excited about testing :) [17:04:45] I'm Asheesh, and someone generally interested in helping open source projects get more contributors. [17:04:46] Hi, I'm Gabriel Loo. I just graduated from university and I'm pursuing a career in software testing. [17:04:52] ("Timed Media Handler" is a feature that's going to make it easier for people to watch long videos on Wikimedia sites!) [17:05:00] gloo: awesome, I think we'll have some good information for you [17:05:15] I'm a random MediaWiki contributor who's just interested in what's going on. [17:05:21] hi Krenair [17:05:29] Glad to see you here, gloo & Krenair [17:05:35] hi [17:05:38] Krenair - good to see you [17:05:52] hi shadowspar [17:06:04] Welcome, shadowspar. We're just doing introductions and optional setup right now. Full-on testing begins at half past. [17:06:07] hi chris_mcmahon! good to see you in IRC. =) [17:06:10] Hey people, I'm Pranav, and I'm just an interested contributor ;) [17:06:31] pranavrc: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Git/Workflow [17:06:36] welcome, pranavrc & shadowspar [17:06:46] hi sumanah [17:06:55] shantanoo: we've also created a good tutorial for Git at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Git/Tutorial ! and welcome and hi [17:07:03] let me repeat this for the new folks: [17:07:03] hi paulproteus, sumanah =) [17:07:16] This is a two hour session. The first 30 minutes we'll spend on background, questions, discussion. Then we'll be testing for an hour. The last 30 minutes we'll have a debriefing session where we wrap up what we did and what happened in the session. [17:07:35] sumanah: that link has horizontal scrolling? [17:07:46] In a narrow sense, testing is about finding defects and bugs, but in a broader sense, testing is about discovering and providing all sorts of information about the software. So while we are very interested in glitches, display problems, workflow issues, etc., we are also interested in other information you might discover and questions you might have... [17:08:05] I am Mohinder I will be in-out during the 2 hour session [17:08:07] Trying to work out how to use the editor [17:08:09] There are two overarching goals for AFTv5. First is to improve the quality of Wikipedia, article by article, and also the encyclopedia as a whole. But beyond that, we want to encourage everyone who uses Wikipedia to also contribute to it in a meaningful way, so AFTv5 should also subtly, thoughtfully, and politely encourage people to edit Wikipedia as well. [17:08:14] hi Mohinder welcome [17:08:19] sumanah: yes.the chrome_gerrit png file... [17:08:21] I am in [17:08:37] Hello everyone [17:08:41] So let me explain a little bit about Exploratory Testing, which is a disciplined approach to investigating software. [17:08:49] shantanoo: good to know. Can you shrink or crop it down a bit? [17:08:55] The basic idea of ET is that you design your next test based on the results of your previous test. [17:09:00] sumanah: let me try... [17:09:01] chris_mcmahon: (BTW I can take care of repeating the intro for you so you don't lose forward momentum) [17:09:11] So choose an area to investigate from the Procedures or Objectives section of the Test Plan https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/QA/Article_Feedback_Test_Plan [17:09:34] take a few minutes to look over the test plan and ask any questions or make comment [17:09:35] s [17:10:32] take a look at the test pages for Barack Obama, the Golden Crowned Sparrow, Drew Barrymore, and maybe look at the link to other AFTv5 pages [17:10:45] @Chris Safari is out of scope as per test plan [17:11:08] Mohinder: we're interested in Safari as well if you have it handy [17:11:43] as well, any particular versions of firefox? [17:12:04] shadowspar: whatever is on hand is useful information [17:12:10] *nodnod* [17:12:44] if you have Internet Explorer, do use it. I have an IE7 here that I'll be using [17:12:50] sumanah: [[File:Chrome gerrit 9332.png|width=400]] is not working. also tried [[File:Chrome gerrit 9332.png|width=80%]] [17:12:51] Howdy bharath. We're discussing the test plan now. Make sure to load up https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/QA/Article_Feedback_Test_Plan in your web browser, and listen as chris_mcmahon explains further instructions. [17:12:55] By the way, if your IRC connection drops, you can visit the logs of this channel to see what you missed: http://bots.wmflabs.org/~wm-bot/logs/%23mediawiki/20120609.txt [17:13:05] continuing... [17:13:08] Think of ways to demonstrate whether that concept is or is not working. The approaches to do that are called "heuristics", rules of thumb for how software operates, and how it often fails. There is a link to Elisabeth Henderson's "Test Heuristics Cheat Sheet" at the bottom of the Test Plan, which provides some great ideas for test approaches. [17:13:11] Yes -- sumanah's link is excellent. You have to reload it as the page changes [17:13:23] shantanoo: sorry, I don't know enough about wiki syntax to help fix! [17:13:31] sumanah: oh. ok. [17:13:48] As testers we use heuristics, and we use models. As you become familiar with AFTv5 by exploring it, you build a mental model of how it works and how it should work. In the process of testing, we constantly compare our mental model of the system to how the system actually behaves. There are always discrepancies between the tester's mental model and the actual system. These discrepancies can point to real issues: "I reall [17:13:48] thought it should do this, but it doesn't" is important information to report. [17:14:19] Another Exploratory Testing approach is to use "personas". How does Article Feedback appear to a student trying to write a term paper? a grandmother who doesn't know computers very well? a scientist, or an expert in the field? someone who doesn't read English well? [17:14:39] One tester I know always likes to test with personas that are angry, or bitter, or otherwise extremely negative. He finds some interesting issues. :) [17:15:03] So feel free to discuss what you're doing in IRC, ask questions about AFTv5, ET, or anything else that comes up. Your own observations shared here provide heuristics for all the other people participating, and the more information we at Wikipedia can gather from thoughtful testers, the better we can make this software. [17:15:49] sumanah: fixed. made it 800x600. can you have a look and confirm whether its ok? [17:15:55] sure, 1 moment [17:16:34] tparveen: do you have anything to add to my explanation of ET? [17:16:50] Yup, that one's better, shantanoo! go ahead & fix the other images in that page as well, if you have time & inclination? [17:16:53] thanks [17:17:12] You have covered almost everything - I would add the fact that think of yourself as explorers [17:17:17] gloo: since I know you're interested in software testing as a career, I [17:17:25] I'm interested in what you think as well [17:17:29] everytime you find something, even the silliest thing [17:17:30] gloo: I'm curious about your thoughts on Exploratory Testing, in contrast to other perspectives and methodologies you have learnt [17:17:33] New review: Jeroen De Dauw; "John, you killed the original commit message..." [mediawiki/extensions/WikidataRepo] (master); V: 0 C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/10727 [17:17:38] sumanah: done already :) [17:17:55] even the silliest thing is interesting in the testing world [17:18:01] Mohinder: you said that you are trying to learn how to use the editor? do you mean the editing functionality on Wikipedia, or something else? [17:18:33] great, thanks shantanoo! :-) [17:18:41] hi [17:18:44] hi tejas [17:18:48] hi tejas [17:19:09] is this for wikipedia teesting [17:19:15] it is [17:19:15] tejas: Yes! (: [17:19:21] any indic user other than devanagari around who uses Narayam extension for typing? [17:19:34] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/QA/Article_Feedback_Test_Plan tejas [17:19:38] shantanoo: yes? [17:19:38] tejas: you can visit the logs of this channel to see what you missed: http://bots.wmflabs.org/~wm-bot/logs/%23mediawiki/20120609.txt [17:20:02] should have all the information you would need. we're spending about another 10 minutes on questions and clarifications of the test plan and testing [17:20:05] I was trying to work out how to post a message her and join the conversation and NOT wikipedia edit [17:20:10] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/QA/Article_Feedback_Test_Plan [17:20:13] shantanoo: srikanthlogic - sorry to ask, but just to avoid confusing the newbies, can I ask you to move to #wikimedia-dev for the next 90 min if you need to talk about Narayam? [17:20:40] thanks for log [17:20:42] Mohinder: great, glad you figured it out! [17:21:07] I will point out one thing barely mentioned in the Test Plan that I'd like to emphasize, which is so-called "negative testing"....k [17:21:47] very recently we've had reports of the AFTv5 showing up on inappropriate pages, like User pages, or pages not in that list shown as a link in the test plan [17:21:51] shantanoo: come over to #mediawik-i18n [17:21:51] srikanthlogic: other than you :). i was thinking of writing sample code for adding test for other language in ext.narayam.rules.tests.js. i think ml is already being taken care. i was thinking of trying out something like gu, te, etc. [17:22:09] Participants who don't yet have en.wikipedia.org or bugzilla.wikimedia.org accounts, you may find those useful to have, and now is a good time to set them up - easy, takes only a few minutes, free. [17:22:20] chris_mcmahon: I saw AFT on category page and was wondering why its there [17:22:30] we THINK that incidences of AFTv5 on inappropriate pages are declining, but if you find one of those, mention it here [17:22:30] srikanthlogic: what page is that? link? [17:22:45] srikanthlogic: I bet it only appeared once and not again [17:23:08] srikanthlogic: are you sure about the channel name? [17:23:11] and given that bug, any other negative testing you can think up is of interest [17:23:21] Oh, something else I should've mentioned: I do anti-vandalism on enwiki sometimes, so I have rollbacker and therefore a few extra buttons in article feedback [17:23:41] Krenair: Cool! I'd be curious to see, if it's easy for you to post a screenshot, actually. [17:23:46] Krenair: great, you can look into some corners that others cannot [17:23:50] New review: Jeroen De Dauw; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/WikidataRepo] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/10727 [17:24:10] I can feature feedback, hide feedback, and view hidden feedback [17:24:14] sumanah: From what I've been learning so far, Exploratory Testing can be described as non-scripted testing, so it could be easily contrasted with following strict test scripts (automated or manual). [17:24:24] Oh and resolve feedback as well, according to the rights page [17:24:38] sumanah: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Films_about_women_in_India few hours back [17:24:45] chris_mcmahon: it doesn't come now! [17:25:17] srikanthlogic: yes, as far as we know, viewing the page once eliminates the possibility at AFTv5 will ever show again on that page. it's a tricky bug. [17:25:46] five minutes before we start exploring. any more questions or comments? [17:26:04] @chris I may look at the accessibility aspect of the pages as I found in the past is a real issue in some cases. [17:26:07] https://dl.dropbox.com/u/10971457/Wikimedia/Article%20feedback%20with%20rollbacker%20on%20enwiki.png [17:26:20] Mohinder: excellent [17:26:24] paulproteus: ^ [17:26:44] Krenair: Ah, cool! [17:27:07] Krenair: I have some privileged access too, I'll be posting screen shots along the way as well [17:27:45] Mohinder: I look forward to hearing your findings! feel free to add yourself to https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Accessibility and to join the effort to find and fix these kinds of issues in the long term, as well [17:28:07] gloo: ET can be non-scripted, it helps us find bugs that we have not thought about - sometimes when you follow strict test scripts, you get blindsided and don't think of the things that can happen but not on the script. That is where we use ET. Its complementary to automated or manual scripting [17:28:27] sorry, it is mostly non-scripted, can be scripted... [17:28:30] I have a list from our previous WTA session but did not get down to inputting to Bugzilla.I will do in the next couple of days [17:28:58] Mohinder: you already have a bugzilla.wikimedia.org account, right? if you have had any trouble making one, I can help with that [17:29:01] hi Yogesh [17:29:08] Hi [17:29:15] Hi Yogesh! I'm Asheesh that you've been emailing with. [17:29:36] We're just about to begin the testing session, take a look at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/QA/Article_Feedback_Test_Plan [17:29:43] Oh, and welcome to IRC (: [17:29:45] Mohinder makes an interesting point. Wikipedia can always be tested, and Bugzilla is always open. WMF is experimenting with "test events" like this one, but our long-term goal is to instill a spirit of testing among the Wikipedia community and users [17:29:54] Hi Guys [17:29:57] means [17:30:01] hi Abhinav [17:30:03] Yogesh, you can visit the logs of this channel to see what you missed: http://bots.wmflabs.org/~wm-bot/logs/%23mediawiki/20120609.txt [17:30:06] Hi Abhinav, welcome to IRC! We're just beginning testing now, following this test plan: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/QA/Article_Feedback_Test_Plan [17:30:11] hi Abhinav [17:30:28] * chris_mcmahon cranks up IE7 :) [17:30:29] @thanks chris [17:30:49] "WMF" is the Wikimedia Foundation, the small nonprofit firm that supports Wikipedia & other free culture projects [17:30:55] How to change my nickname ? [17:31:01] You type /nick newnickname [17:31:06] on the Bugzilla note: The other benefit of ET is that it lets us create documentation (test plan, test steps etc) so when you find a bug, please add the reproducible steps to it, we can use those to retest and create test cases from them... [17:31:33] I am going to use Safari - [17:31:38] "reproducible" means that those are the steps someone would take to find the same bug, to "reproduce" the issue [17:31:50] Im unable to set [17:31:53] new nickname [17:32:03] Yo scientes. We're following this test plan: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/QA/Article_Feedback_Test_Plan [17:32:04] Guest52210, abhinav is already reserved for someone else(?), you'll have to use something else [17:32:43] ok, participants! go ahead and use https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/QA/Article_Feedback_Test_Plan to start exploring! [17:33:04] we're here to answer questions, help, etc. for the next 90 minutes at least. [17:33:22] Where it says "To experiment with giving inappropriate feedback" do you mean it's okay to write whatever flame text we want? [17:33:35] Obama page is very interesting packed with link.If you can crack that then it will be a success [17:33:56] paulproteus: you can flame the Sparrow page all you want [17:34:02] Excellent. [17:34:09] paulproteus: we have some filters in place [17:34:23] e.g. POSTING IN ALL CAPS should give a warning about "shouting" [17:34:35] Mohinder: what do you mean by "crack"? [17:34:42] iPad Safari not supported :)( [17:34:50] Thorncrag: what error do you get? [17:35:08] sumanah: Sorry, your browser is not supported by this prototype. To see this page, please use a different browser. [17:35:24] well, that seems bad. Could I ask you to file a bug, Thorncrag? [17:35:33] Thorncrag: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=MediaWiki%20extensions&component=ArticleFeedbackv5&keywords=aftv5-1.5 [17:35:53] Curiously I managed to make the "Post your feedback" button look greyed out... [17:36:00] so I see that in IE7 I get a javascript error. if you're using other browsers and know how to use the analysis tools in them, that's something to keep in mind [17:36:21] these pages might have javascript errors that are fatal for IE7 but not fatal for other browsers [17:36:30] paulproteus: [17:36:36] Yay, I think I found a bug! Anyone want to try to reproduce it with me? [17:36:41] paulproteus: do you need someone to reproduce that? [17:36:42] If someone else can reproduce it, I will file it. [17:36:42] sure [17:36:48] ha, you beat me to it :) [17:36:59] Thorncrag, what browser was that? [17:37:00] Step 1. Be logged-in. Step 2. Go to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden-crowned_Sparrow?aftv5_form=1&aftv5_link=E Step 3. Type something in, and hit Submit [17:37:13] Notice that it says your text is submitted. So far, so good. [17:37:29] Step 4. Reload the page, and scroll to the bottom for the Article Feedback Tool box. [17:37:31] Krenair: Safari on iPad 3 ios 5.1.1 [17:37:37] paulprot1us: "submit" (step 3) = "post your feedback"? [17:37:40] Notice that "Post your feedback" is now pale rather than green [17:37:42] sumanah: Right, thank you for that [17:37:59] Even after you enter text, the button is greyed-out, but clicking it still submits feedback. [17:38:20]