[08:28:40] and the css-class in mediawiki:common.css uses url() [09:13:08] Good morning. [09:13:24] morning! [09:14:38] 03(mod) Article Feedback - Add a 'View feedback' link to the Talk page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36502 +comment (10Pau Giner) [09:20:08] 03(NEW) Remove or clearify .fancybox-title - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37623 normal; MediaWiki extensions: SemanticForms; (leo_wallentin) [09:52:22] hi all, Currently I am trying to get media wiki to work on IIS 7.5 with short URLS but I get the error Outbound rewrite rules cannot be applied when the content of the HTTP response is encoded ("gzip"). I have allready tried to set in localsettings: $wgUseGzip = false; and also $wgMainCacheType = CACHE_NONE; [09:52:36] someone here who has an idea to set gzip off? [09:54:16] 03(mod) Enable LiquidThreads extension on zh.wikipedia.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/29114 +comment (10shi zhao) [10:00:05] ok found the issue in IIS compression. thanks anyway [10:14:16] Hi! [10:18:15] I want to use mediawiki in a project with multiple languages, How to do that would mediawiki files were the same, but used a different database or cache, depending on the subdomain. For example ru.wiki, en.wiki? [10:21:08] hi, I'm using MW 1.17.0 and when I see the page source code it adds the following javascript http://dpaste.com/759939/ at the top of the page before the tag. Why is this added and how can I remove it? [10:28:42] chombium: with any extensions installed? [10:30:41] 03(mod) Enable LiquidThreads extension on zh.wikipedia.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/29114 +comment (10Dereckson) [10:31:20] liangent: I don't know but I can test that, but I haven't added any extension which adds that javascript code. I thought it has something with the mw javascript api or the resource loader [10:37:21] liangent: I disabled all extensions, the code is still there. any other ideas? [10:39:30] 03(mod) Enable LiquidThreads extension on zh.wikipedia.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/29114 +comment (10Dereckson) [10:58:37] hexmode: hi :) [11:08:20] hey [11:08:24] saper: ! [11:08:43] lame... Windows7 won't let me run Netscape4 [11:09:38] event in compatibility mode? [11:09:52] Let me try that... [11:10:06] It is Anti-Competative, I tell you! [11:14:28] Stupid Chrome... now its debugger glitches are as bad as Firebugs... [11:16:41] Dereckson: compatibility mode didn't work :( [11:23:33] hmmm, sometimes the page I have does not show the template with the site, do you know what I can do about it? (it is the default template). I tried to setting the cache on to see if that will work but it does not [11:26:39] 03(NEW) Width of the dialogue changes when "What's this" is clicked. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37624 normal; MediaWiki extensions: Moodbar; (snaevar-wiki) [11:27:22] 03(mod) Width of the dialogue changes when "What's this" is clicked. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37624 (10snaevar) [11:34:00] anyone who can point me in the right direction? [11:38:18] Mindless999: is the issue solved if you purge the page? (right click on edit link > copy link > paste it in the URL and replace &action=edit by &action=purge) [11:39:30] No [11:39:43] it also sometimes shows the template, and sometimes it does not [11:41:12] it usualy happens when i try to refresh the page (F5) [12:37:12] Your message to MediaWiki-CVS awaits moderator approval [12:37:17] What's that all about? [12:37:26] I get these for every merge I make at the moment. [12:37:45] After 10, mailman thinks it's enough, and sends me a mail that I won't get any more. [12:37:53] Next day, this repeats itself. [12:40:46] I believe demon has something to do with it [12:49:40] ^demon: you playing around with MediaWiki-CVS and getting me another 11 useless e-mails a day at the moment? :) [12:49:57] (at least when I make at least 10 merges) [12:55:45] <^demon> siebrand: You're getting those? [12:55:51] <^demon> I thought they weren't going through [12:56:34] <^demon> I can change it to watch only on new changes + submitted changes, not comments. [12:57:56] ^demon: I'm subscribed to MediaWiki-CVS, but should there be any meaningful output? [12:58:16] ^demon: all I'm getting are those mails when I merge something. [12:58:22] <^demon> I'm subscribed too, but I'm not getting anything :\ [12:58:30] ^demon: ak, okay. [12:58:37] <^demon> Not from gerrit. [12:59:48] <^demon> I'm trying to get gerrit to send to mediawiki-cvs, but it's not working as well as I'd hoped. [13:14:03] ^demon: Any idea why this isn't getting merged? https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/6541/ [13:14:15] ^demon: was approved 6 weeks ago [13:14:51] didn't verify i [13:14:51] t [13:15:31] <^demon> siebrand: I can't merge to puppet repo. [13:15:34] though, it's operations/puppet... we shouldn't have rights to that [13:15:49] I get all the options so it looks like I can :S [13:16:01] though, no submit [13:16:02] Reedy: gerrit2 verified it. [13:16:12] <^demon> Reedy: You don't have Submit permissions. [13:16:13] <^demon> Just +2 [13:16:15] siebrand: doesn't matter [13:16:17] and gerrit lied [13:16:19] <^demon> need an opsen. [13:16:23] Yeah, that seems to have changed [13:16:42] right. It's really unclear to me if and how queue ownership works. [13:16:46] <^demon> Ask someone from ops, wasn't me. [13:17:16] operations/mediawiki-config is very unclear. As is ownership of extensions that are used in Wikimedia. [13:17:29] I have a feeling I'm being bold too often merging stuff. [13:17:49] <^demon> wikimedia/ stuff is owned by 'wmf' ldap group. [13:17:56] <^demon> Which is staff+contractors. [13:18:13] within an organization of 90 people, that's a bit too vague. [13:18:19] ;) [13:18:33] <^demon> Yes, well, not all 90 of those are using gerrit ;-) [13:19:04] <^demon> Anyway, operations/mediawiki-config is owned by the wmf-deployment group, which is available to anyone who has deploy rights anyway. [13:22:51] New patchset: Tobias Gritschacher; "added aliases functionality;" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11611 [13:24:27] ah, gerrit-wm is alive again [13:25:07] <^demon> I've been playing with gerrit-wm a lot. Ryan told me I should test my code more before pushing to gerrit. [13:25:50] 03(FIXED) Spurious RSS updates for non-existent pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/15853 +comment (10Mormegil) [13:25:57] <^demon> We changed behavior so comments aren't reported here (it's way too noisy). Only new patchset, merges, abandons. [13:37:50] Hmm. [13:38:11] ^demon: isn't that equivalent to silencing all property and comment changes for bugzilla bugs? [13:39:14] <^demon> Kinda, but the level of spam's much higher on code than bugs. We're going to send the notifs to #mediawiki-codereview. [13:39:16] (and only report on new issues and resolved state changes) [13:39:38] <^demon> The channel is *far* too noisy with reporting code comments & reviews. [13:39:42] Oh, I doubt this "level of spam's much higher".... [13:40:19] But having an alternative channel would be a good solution. [13:40:39] I'm already in there and hoped those would appear there. Yay :) [13:40:44] <^demon> Yeah. I think there's lots of us who will still want the notifications and join :) [13:41:02] <^demon> Just keeping the noise down here is important since this is the main support channel people come to. [13:42:58] That made a lot of channels to follow. [13:43:08] ^demon: can you also silent out the l10nbot ? :-]] [13:43:26] <^demon> I tried. Need to try again. [13:43:40] I guess you should remove the strict equality checking [13:43:55] and use a loose regex such as /.*l10n-bot.*/ [13:44:03] <^demon> Oh, that'd be so much easier :p [13:44:23] <^demon> Although, if someone registered L10n-bot-poster ;-) [13:44:27] <^demon> I guess we'd have to ban them [13:44:39] Or you could probably fix the issue. [13:44:43] properly, too. [13:44:54] Throwing regex at the problem is pretty brain-dead. [13:45:00] Did you change wikibugs' behavior? [13:45:15] wikibugs: have you changed ? [13:47:09] <^demon> Now gerrit-wm says nothing :\ [13:48:39] I wonder if #mediawiki-codereview should be +m. [13:49:31] <^demon> Brooke: Makes sense, then just +v the bots. [13:49:35] <^demon> Can you do that? [13:52:40] ^demon: I think we better make a central channel for all feeds, no need to make it +m [13:52:50] bugzilla and such could be all there [13:52:53] ^demon: I forgot codurr doesn't auth to services. [13:53:11] Most development should take place in this channel. [13:53:21] Trying to split out development and support is a bad idea. [13:53:34] ^demon: I gave you all the flags I could in that channel. [13:53:43] <^demon> ok, thanks. [13:53:50] Brooke: I don't know who you just replied to [13:53:53] #mediawiki-codreview does not exist (yet). [13:53:55] petan: You. [13:54:04] then I don't understand that [13:54:05] It's good to hvae development and support in the same channel. [13:54:07] have [13:54:09] indeed [13:54:14] I never said we should separate it [13:54:18] <^demon> Discussions, yes. Feeds of notifications though? [13:54:24] I say we should move bot feeds to one channel [13:54:34] When you move the bots and other dev tools to another channel, people will start using that channel to do dev work. [13:54:44] Why would they come in here? [13:54:44] no [13:54:51] It's true, I promise. [13:55:01] I mean, that's not what I suggested to do [13:55:07] I'm saying that's what happens. [13:55:10] <^demon> A channel for bots to spam has no reason for anyone else to talk in it other than the bots. [13:55:16] <^demon> And Brooke is right, that's what will happen. [13:55:18] Brooke: hold on [13:55:25] Brooke: let me explain to you what I meant [13:55:31] Sounds like a rationale for +m [13:55:34] Being notified of BZ comments in here is a Good Thing. [13:55:43] I mean move bugzilla feed and codereview feed to one channel [13:55:47] If people hate them, every chat client ever has an /ignore feature. [13:55:51] not move all bots especially interactive bots there [13:55:58] petan: I'm not confused about what you meant. :-) [13:56:02] This isn't a new idea. [13:56:09] #wikimedia-dev was predicated on the same principle(s). [13:56:32] I suppose I should register "codurr". [13:56:40] It was supposed to be a temporary silly name. [13:56:47] And it really ought to be rewritten. Hrmph. [13:56:52] Brooke: what's the point of having code review feed in one channel and other feeds in this channel [13:56:56] It currently polls the database every few minutes. [13:57:16] Brooke: we should either have all feeds here, or all feeds in one channel, separating feeds over multiple channels is ever worse [13:57:31] we aren't seperateing them [13:57:31] They were all in here, kind of. [13:57:36] I know [13:57:40] now you separated them [13:57:41] -codereview just has some bonus spam [13:57:50] ah right [13:57:51] Except CodeReview status and tag changes have always been banished to -codereview. [13:57:55] Because they're annoying. [13:58:02] Gerrit comments ... not sure why those are so bad. [13:58:03] the main stuff is all here still [13:58:07] so gerrit feed and bz feed is going to stay here? [13:58:12] I'd think that's exactly the type of thing you'd want in here. [13:58:16] Brooke: they are like three lines each or something [13:58:18] Is there any other way to follow Gerrit comments? [13:58:22] or don't say anything useful [13:58:32] p858snake|l: What are? [13:58:38] Brooke: -cvs when ^demon doesn't break it [13:58:45] Brooke: the comment notifications [13:59:33] p858snake|l: Example? [14:00:21] uh not the top off my head [14:01:04]

New review: Demon; "Test comment." [operations/puppet] (production) C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11314 [14:01:07] That looks like one line to me. [14:01:20] i was thinking of the other stuff then [14:01:24] ^demon: Is there an e-mail alias for the mobile team? [14:01:50] <^demon> No clue. [14:02:05] Hrmph. [14:02:09] <^demon> It's l10n bot I need to silence, once and for all. [14:02:14] <^demon> Doing that now. [14:02:26] fr-tech is the fundraising team. [14:02:47] Brooke: don't the mobile team have a mailing list? [14:02:51] and a irc channel? [14:03:00] I'm trying to CC on a bug. [14:03:07] Tomasz, Patrick, [14:03:11] MaxSem and Yuvi? [14:03:16] Who's the mobile team... [14:03:28] yes? [14:03:35] yes [14:03:36] they have [14:03:49] p858snake|l: I think it's -mobile one [14:03:57] MaxSem: Is there an e-mail alias for the mobile team (similar to fr-tech)? [14:04:09] Not really an alias. It's more of a group. [14:04:38] I just added a few people manually. [14:04:50] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=37611 is pretty silly. [14:04:53] mobile-tech@ [14:05:10] Clever. Thanks. :-) [14:05:28] 03(mod) http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Terms_of_use?useformat=mobile shows no logo - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37611 (10Peter Bena) [14:05:29] Not sure that has a BZ account. [14:05:46] don't add this list to BZ [14:06:02] it's for internal communications of our team [14:06:32] Brooke: what's silly on that bug? [14:06:55] petan: The mobile code is silly, not the bug. [14:06:57] ah [14:07:16] I'm surprised it's pulling from upload.wm.o like that. [14:07:23] I'd be concerned about load balancing. [14:08:21] Brooke: that's exactly what other sites do, normal view [14:08:33] wikipedia logos are pulled same way [14:08:53] I guess that's true. [14:09:22] There have been problems in the past with high request files not being distributed among the servers. [14:10:21] 03(mod) http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Terms_of_use?useformat=mobile shows no logo - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37611 +easy; +comment (10MZMcBride) [14:27:25] 03(NEW) Site links to some wikipedias can't be added. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37625 normal; MediaWiki extensions: WikidataRepo; (snaevar-wiki) [14:31:55] 03(mod) Addition of CU logs to list of user links in Special:Contributions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37573 +comment (10Will H) [14:34:04] 03(mod) Extension:UserDailyContribs counts null edits as edits - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36492 +comment (10Sumana Harihareswara) [14:34:47] hi Daniel_WMDE_ [14:36:02] ^demon: hey, I'm gonna respond onlist, but per http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.science.linguistics.wikipedia.technical/59681 merge rights in the Gerrit group for mediawiki core are more akin to deploy access, not phase3 commit access, remember? [14:39:05] Daniel_WMDE_: Your phrasing "There sooms to be total confusion about the policy for that." .... had you not seen https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Git/Gerrit_project_ownership before? It's linked to from the Git tutorial in the code review section, it's linked to from Git/Workflow, we emailed about it on wikitech-l..... [14:42:27] New review: Umherirrender; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/core] (master) C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4658 [14:43:08] 03(mod) Do not convert text marked as being in another language with a lang attribute - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37617 +comment (10Liangent) [14:48:01] New review: Ryan Lane; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/OpenStackManager] (master); V: 1 C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/7083 [14:48:03] Change merged: Ryan Lane; [mediawiki/extensions/OpenStackManager] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/7083 [14:49:19] New review: Umherirrender; "When a wiki has many user groups and people are assigned to many of that groups, it is helpful to ge..." [mediawiki/core] (master) C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/9007 [14:50:28] 03(FIXED) Change wgLanguageCode of several wikis to be renamed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34866 +comment (10Robin Pepermans (SPQRobin)) [14:50:51] <^demon> Ok, notifications are back. L10n-bot should be shuttup now. We'll find out later :) [14:51:35] I would have thought that Google would have implemented mouse lock and gampad apis in Chrome before Mozilla did them in Firefox... [14:52:12] No-one benefits more from web enabled 3D games than Google does... with Chrome OS [14:54:18] 03(NEW) CheckUser log indefinitely retains private information - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37626 normal; MediaWiki extensions: CheckUser; (b) [14:54:59] New review: Demon; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/OATHAuth] (master); V: 1 C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11169 [14:55:01] Change merged: Demon; [mediawiki/extensions/OATHAuth] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11169 [14:55:54] 03(mod) Addition of CU logs to list of user links in Special:Contributions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37573 +comment (10MZMcBride) [14:56:27] New patchset: Eranroz; "Bug 13673 support for directionality for reference" [mediawiki/extensions/Cite] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/7738 [14:56:31] Then again... they were trying to push NaCl [14:57:03] New review: Demon; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/OATHAuth] (master); V: 1 C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11175 [14:57:03] 03(mod) Do not convert text marked as being in another language with a lang attribute - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37617 +comment (10Liangent) [14:57:05] Change merged: Demon; [mediawiki/extensions/OATHAuth] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11175 [14:59:01] Change on 12mediawiki a page Project:Requests was modified, changed by Skizzerz link https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?diff=550263 edit summary: /* Enable the "block" and "rangeblock" functions of Extension:AbuseFilter */ [15:01:24] New review: Daniel Werner; "I saw you are using "typeof arg === 'function'" which in some cases is true for objects which aren't..." [mediawiki/core] (master) C: 1; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/10662 [15:03:28] New patchset: Chughakshay16; "modified model classes -" [mediawiki/extensions/ConventionExtension] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11616 [15:04:20] 03(NEW) create exception for non logged in user - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37627 normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (hashar) [15:04:44] New patchset: Ryan Lane; "Don't call functions on a non-existent object" [mediawiki/extensions/OATHAuth] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11617 [15:04:44] New review: Eranroz; "Fixed according to review including:" [mediawiki/extensions/Cite] (master) C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/7738 [15:05:16] New review: Ryan Lane; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/OATHAuth] (master); V: 1 C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11617 [15:05:18] Change merged: Ryan Lane; [mediawiki/extensions/OATHAuth] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11617 [15:05:37] New review: Chughakshay16; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/ConventionExtension] (master) C: 1; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11616 [15:06:45] 03(mod) When editing an existing page with a form that has a new field, the default for the new field should be set - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36505 +comment (10Sal Quintanilla) [15:08:02] 03(mod) When editing an existing page with a form that has a new field, the default for the new field should be set - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36505 +comment (10Sal Quintanilla) [15:12:40] 03(NEW) Creating a Git/Gerrit/Labs account requires human intervention - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37628 normal; Wikimedia: Git/Gerrit; (b) [15:14:48] 03(mod) Creating a Git/Gerrit/Labs account requires human intervention - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37628 +comment (10Ryan Lane) [15:17:40] 03(mod) Saved searches in Bugzilla sidebar are truncated and contain errors - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37257 +easy; summary; +comment (10MZMcBride) [15:22:20] hey Daniel_WMDE_ I want to help you understand the Gerrit merge stuff [15:23:32] sumanah: hm.... you mean who is supposed to have the rights? [15:23:42] Daniel_WMDE_: yeah. [15:23:45] so, help me to understand :) [15:23:55] Daniel_WMDE_: I'm going to post it to the list as well [15:24:00] good [15:24:05] Daniel_WMDE_: but first off: where did you look when you wanted to figure this out? [15:24:18] Daniel_WMDE_: because wherever you looked, that's where I want to link to the right info. [15:24:26] because when i asked before, the two reactions i got where "oh i thought you could merge" and "nobody knows what the policy is" [15:24:58] Daniel_WMDE_: I am curious to know who said the latter, because it is obviously and perhaps obnoxiously false. [15:25:51] Daniel_WMDE_: so, you didn't look at docs, you just asked some folks? if so, then the answer is to try to educate people (and I hope posting to the list will help, but maybe we need to have some more office hours as well) [15:26:18] New patchset: Jens Ohlig; "Fix relative path in populateInterwiki.php" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11618 [15:26:29] sumanah: i asked hashar today. and rob at the hackathon, i think [15:26:53] sumanah: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Developer_access is where i would expect the info to be. though Chad pointed me to a different page to make my request, which completely confuses me now. [15:27:02] let me find out what happened there [15:27:05] Daniel_WMDE_: ok. I'll link [15:27:50] sumanah: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Git/Gerrit_project_ownership is where i ended up making my request. as i see now, probably the wrong place [15:27:58] Daniel_WMDE_: The "who gets merge privileges" policy is in this mailing list post from March: http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.science.linguistics.wikipedia.technical/59681 and linked to from the https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Git/Gerrit_project_ownership [15:28:09] or rather... well... https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Developer_access is really for requesting membership in a specific project, right? [15:28:12] Daniel_WMDE_: why do you think https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Git/Gerrit_project_ownership is the wrong place? it's the right place. [15:28:24] Daniel_WMDE_: no, "developer access" is for getting access IN GENERAL. [15:28:30] Daniel_WMDE_: you are thoroughly confused and this frustrates me. [15:28:50] sumanah: i'm also very lazy and didn't read the page headers :) [15:28:52] Daniel_WMDE_: why would you think "developer access" is for requesting membership in a specific project? [15:29:03] Daniel_WMDE_: ok, so, there's absolutely nothing I can do about that except throttle you. [15:29:24] sumanah: because "developer access" *used* to mean commit access to svn. which *used* to mean commit access to core. [15:29:34] hehe [15:29:35] sumanah, that page (Gerrit_project_ownership) contains similar requests [15:29:42] throtteling won't make me read it, either :) [15:29:47] Daniel_WMDE_: Right. OK. So, you didn't keep up with the discussion on wikitech-l. I can understand that. [15:29:57] Daniel_WMDE_: no, but it might make you read *future* things [15:30:19] who pang me? [15:30:23] sumanah: wikitech-l is a place where established developers are. few read all of it. *new* developers are not going to be aware of any of it# [15:30:26] Platonides: What do you mean by "similar requests"? we're talking about a bunch of stuff so if you could be pedantic that would help me :) [15:30:39] also, i don't see why Daniel_WMDE can't have right to merge to core master [15:30:47] Daniel_WMDE_: no, but you are only confused because you are an established developer and things changed at you. and the people who told you misinformation are both on wikitech-l [15:30:55] Platonides: then go ahead and add your +1 to his request [15:31:01] sumanah, request for Foo to be part of group bar [15:31:15] Platonides: yes, and that's ok I think [15:31:16] eg. MaxSem one [15:31:32] Platonides: yes, that sort of ownership/group membership request is what that page is for [15:31:37] maybe the problem is that he called that "merge access"? [15:31:38] sumanah: maybe. but then - if i want to be able to commit to extension X. i first have to file a request on the "developer access" page, and rthen another request for "project membership"? on a page that is named "project owenership"? [15:31:45] Platonides: (so I think we're all violently agreeing about that.) [15:31:49] or that I confused what Daniel was asking for? [15:32:15] Daniel_WMDE_, you already have a gerrit account [15:32:20] yes [15:32:23] you won't need to go to developer request again [15:32:24] i wasn't talking about me [15:32:34] you can submit changesets to any repo [15:32:35] i just think it's silly to require that at all [15:32:44] then, you need someone to approve it [15:32:53] There is an irreducible complexity in the jargon here. In order to merge code into a Gerrit project, one has to get Git access, then get membership in a Gerrit group that confers Gerrit project ownership [15:32:55] Platonides: yes, i know. that's not the point. [15:33:07] if you want to be able to +2 then, you will need to request project membeship for a group allowed to that... [15:33:14] where's the problem then? [15:33:44] Platonides: a) the confusion in jargon, as sumanah just demonstrated. b) the confusion arising from having two separate pages. [15:33:45] if you were both creating an account and a new repo ? [15:33:48] i think it should just be one page [15:33:55] say what kind of access you want where, and get it [15:34:00] never mind the internal mechanics [15:34:40] Daniel_WMDE_: (and in the future, for basic access people won't need to ask, they'll just be able to self-serve.) [15:34:45] just have *one* page for all requests. gerrit account, group membership, project ownership, gerrit repo [15:34:48] Daniel_WMDE_: (Ryan is working on it. Technical issues) [15:34:59] one request queue, at least for all things that need feedback/voting [15:35:01] ^demon: ^^ [15:35:15] sumanah: that would help a lot. [15:35:36] Daniel_WMDE_: well, it would also help a lot if you, you know, read instructions [15:36:48] sumanah: it weould also help to have the text of that long mail of yours on the wiki, where it can be found... or is it there and i just didn't look right? [15:37:17] Daniel_WMDE_: I link to it on the Gerrit project ownership page. You can see why I am asking all these questions about your thought process, *so I can figure out where I should be copying it.* [15:37:27] sumanah: basically, what lead me to write the mail was basically the experience of people supposing i already had access, and not being able to tell me why I didn't or whether i should or what to do about it. [15:37:34] hashar send me to talk to chad and rob about it [15:37:46] so, apparently, he doesn't know the process either. [15:38:07] hashar: in the future, if someone wants merge access, please point them to https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Git/Gerrit_project_ownership . Thank you. [15:38:12] my point being: core devs not knowing the procedure opr policy led me to believe there wasn't one [15:38:24] Daniel_WMDE_: yes. My frustration multiplies. [15:38:33] releax, it's not that bad :) [15:38:52] Daniel_WMDE_: if I could relax I wouldn't be the person you know. [15:38:58] 03(NEW) Create Special:EmptyPages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37629 enhancement; MediaWiki: Special pages; (v.chosson) [15:39:13] The way I will be able to calm down is by taking steps to fix the problem. [15:39:32] Daniel_WMDE_: sumanah did that cause it was about merge access too core. I thought it was different than ownership of extensions [15:39:35] New review: Aude; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 1 C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11618 [15:39:37] Change merged: Aude; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11618 [15:39:51] since merging to core is roughly equals to deploy on production [15:40:01] No. [15:40:02] 14(WFM) Create Special:EmptyPages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37629 +comment (10Max Semenik) [15:40:08] sumanah: http://xkcd.com/386/ [15:40:09] hashar: merge to core is equivalent to merge into production? really? [15:40:21] hashar: maybe i didn't understand the deployment process, then... [15:40:32] MaxSem: dam you we bug conflicted on 37629 [15:40:40] hashar, the mail from March says so [15:40:40] hehe [15:40:41] Daniel_WMDE_: yeah if you merge in mediawiki/core, your change is considered safe for inclusion in a wmf branch. The wmf branch is just branched out of master and then deployed. We don't review it again. [15:40:47] Reedy would confirm [15:40:56] but there is people with core merge access which can't deploy [15:40:57] Platonides: if it were just some stranger, that would be true. But I have specific responsibility for the Wikimedia developer community understanding these things [15:40:59] but I am pretty sure nobody review the list of change beside for sql schemas changes [15:41:08] hashar: that indeed was not clear to me. [15:41:33] hence why I asked you to contact rob / Chad :-] [15:41:48] I am fine having you to merge stuff in mediawiki/core though :-]] [15:41:59] so is chad, apparently [15:41:59] hashar: give him a +1 on the Gerrit project ownership page then :) [15:42:05] hehe [15:42:16] i'm not that eager to actually do it. it would just be nice to be able to, some times. [15:42:27] and i do want that access for the wikidata branch [15:42:32] the same for Wikidata branch [15:42:35] though it probably won't be around for much longer [15:42:43] I think we want someone else to review your changes [15:42:58] hashar: hm? review my changes to what? [15:43:28] 03(mod) Create Special:EmptyPages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37629 +comment (10tousoxeu) [15:43:41] hashar: tim is reviewing it in order to merge it in. i'm currently having the problem that i can puish to the branch directly, but can't merge tim's patches on gerrit. that's just silly. [15:44:40] ahaha [15:44:41] indeed [15:44:45] 03(mod) Create Special:EmptyPages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37629 +comment (10Platonides) [15:46:05] Daniel_WMDE_: wikidata group is allowed to Submit changes made to the Wikidata branch [15:46:05] sumanah: maybe it would help to have a page that briefly describes the different roles, and which repsonsibilities and abilities they entail in terms of git and gerrit, how to request the respective permissions, and which policies givern the granting of these [15:46:15] New patchset: Eranroz; "Adding dialog for file." [mediawiki/extensions/WikiEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/9053 [15:46:19] 03(mod) Proposed query enhancement: regexps and Type:Text search - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/21314 +comment (10Sal Quintanilla) [15:46:22] hashar: then i wonder why i wasn't able to the other day. [15:46:23] though you can't +1+2 ;) [15:46:38] Daniel_WMDE_: that is a good idea. [15:46:42] hashar: uh, so i can submit, but only if someone else gave a +2? [15:46:43] great [15:47:05] hashar, in gerrit world, +2 != +1+1, so... [15:47:20] and I cannot edit rights anymore for some reason so ... [15:47:26] but a +2 would be enough [15:47:26] >_< [15:47:36] but why can't I give a +2? [15:47:44] you are not allowed to do so [15:47:46] you are not in the group [15:47:47] https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/admin/projects/mediawiki/core,access [15:48:02] now i'm confused [15:48:13] let'S talk about the Wikidata branch for a moment, not master [15:48:16] well the `wikidata` group is not allowed to Label Code-Review or Label Verified [15:48:23] on the Wikidata branch, i have the right to push directly. [15:48:33] i think i should also have the right to submit and +2 on gerrit [15:48:34] yeah that is a different permission [15:48:44] fully agree, but I can not fix that [15:48:48] dropping Chad a mail [15:48:56] so, who can, and where do i request that? [15:49:00] thanks [15:49:27] now, as to core/master: i think it makes sense for me to have these rights, but i'm not passionate about it [15:49:30] you're in the owner group, I thought you would... [15:49:41] it would basically allow me to take more of the burden of code review in general [15:49:44] ok, Platonides and Daniel_WMDE_ and hashar, I have replied onlist [15:49:55] but perhaps i'll practice some more and request that again later [15:50:13] Platonides: probably just an oversight [15:50:56] New review: Eranroz; "Fixed according to review. see patchset 2." [mediawiki/extensions/WikiEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/9053 [15:52:14] Daniel_WMDE_: mail sent [15:52:26] Daniel_WMDE_: it's not that it was an oversight per se. It's that you didn't have deployment rights on WMF sites and so you weren't in the group that automatically got core/master rights. Now you're following procedure, which is to request the right [15:53:37] Daniel_WMDE_: I need to go, as I have a pressing deadline for the end of the day. thanks for helping me find this bug in our documentation, and fix it [15:54:09] and congrats to Platonides for being the only volunteer with merge rights on core :-] [15:54:36] hashar: I'm trying to groom some more volunteers to get it [15:54:53] well [15:54:54] hmm [15:54:58] sumanah: thanks for taking care. and sorry for frustrating you :) [15:54:59] the risk is that they get hired by WMF [15:55:01] hashar: the more that they do good review, the more they build up a portfolio and a reputation, the greater the chances they have of getting good enough [15:55:18] Daniel_WMDE_: *work-appropriate hug of reconciliation* [15:55:22] New patchset: Eranroz; "Adding dialog for file." [mediawiki/extensions/WikiEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/9053 [15:55:24] :) [15:55:30] we have several volunteers doing a lot of code review [15:55:38] hashar, am I? [15:55:42] Platonides: seems so [15:55:55] We are not a medieval army. We do not coerce people into our forces [15:55:59] are there still volunteers with shell access? root, even? [15:56:02] yes [15:56:08] * Daniel_WMDE_ can guess one [15:56:09] domas? [15:56:13] for example [15:56:16] he's not the only one [15:56:20] huh [15:56:23] we have to strike hashar now [15:56:39] Platonides: indeed you are in https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/admin/groups/11,members [15:56:52] hashar, I know I am [15:57:03] so you can merge stuff :-] [15:57:04] what I didn't know was being the only non-WMF-hired one [15:57:53] hashar: I am glad that volunteers are doing code review, and I am attempting to encourage it, especially on core... [15:58:22] 03(NEW) Feedback Form simplification - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37630 normal; MediaWiki extensions: ArticleFeedbackv5; (pginer) [15:58:38] 03(mod) Feedback Form simplification - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37630 +aftv5-1.5 (10Pau Giner) [16:00:24] lol at http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Staff photos "Wearing cloak of invisibility" [16:01:46] Well, it's still better than "Absent from school on photo day" [16:02:30] Platonides, http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/File:Wikimedia_Foundation_office_camera_shy.png (it used to say "camera shy") [16:03:08] heh, it's better than "Too ugly, would break our camera" [16:03:30] Ha! Pwned. [16:03:41] * marktraceur continues to avoid not only the cameras, but even being listed :P [16:04:19] New review: Drecodeam; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/UploadWizard] (master) C: 1; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/9145 [16:04:23] you don't seem aware that I can edit WMF wiki :) [16:04:45] NOOOO!!!!! [16:04:48] xDD [16:05:07] Or perhaps [16:05:08] <^demon> Platonides: I'm clearing out the project creation backlog. We've now made apps/mobile/* as a parent. Would apps/mobile/PhotoUpload work? [16:05:11] * marktraceur puts on sunglasses [16:05:11]