[00:00:37] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Jeroen De Dauw; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/Maps] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11966
[00:00:38] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "New registration system for parameter types" [mediawiki/extensions/Validator] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11967
[00:00:39] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Jeroen De Dauw; [mediawiki/extensions/Maps] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11966
[00:00:47] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Tim Starling; "I don't understand how it avoids going into a busy loop when EAGAIN is encountered during a body rea..." [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/8783
[00:00:52] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Jeroen De Dauw; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/Validator] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11967
[00:00:54] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Jeroen De Dauw; [mediawiki/extensions/Validator] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11967
[00:01:57] <Giorgios>	 really?
[00:02:00] <Giorgios>	 i did that
[00:02:06] <Reedy>	 nope
[00:02:19] <Giorgios>	 and when i switched to the custom account and removed the admin and bureaucrat groups 
[00:02:25] <Giorgios>	 i got locked out -_-
[00:02:50] <Reedy>	 !createandpromote
[00:02:50] <wm-bot>	 To recreate the admin user, run "php maintenance/createAndPromote.php" on the command line.
[00:03:06] <Giorgios>	 how do you run it?
[00:03:40] <Giorgios>	 !runcreateandpromote
[00:03:50] <Reedy>	 !shell
[00:03:50] <wm-bot>	 Shell access (that is, SSH access, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SSH) is highly recommended if you want to run MediaWiki. You can install without it, and basic operation will work, but even creating backups or upgrading will be painful without it. Some more involved maintenance tasks may even be impossible. MediaWiki is not designed for minimal environments.
[00:04:05] <Giorgios>	 im confused
[00:04:08] <preilly>	 TimStarling: ping
[00:04:14] <TimStarling>	 hello
[00:04:21] <Giorgios>	 Hello Tim
[00:04:32] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Fix notice when using OpenLayers and added fixme for badly placed code" [mediawiki/extensions/Maps] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11968
[00:04:37] <preilly>	 TimStarling: We need to host some files for the Dolphin Browser Wikipedia Mobile app
[00:04:46] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Jeroen De Dauw; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/Maps] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11968
[00:04:48] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Jeroen De Dauw; [mediawiki/extensions/Maps] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11968
[00:04:59] <preilly>	 TimStarling: it's basically the assets for our Wikipedia Mobile app
[00:05:06] <preilly>	 TimStarling: any suggestions?
[00:05:25] <Reedy>	 "host"?
[00:05:31] <TimStarling>	 does it need it to be on any particular domain?
[00:05:31] <Brooke>	 Heh, that was my question.
[00:05:37] <preilly>	 Reedy: we need them available on bits.
[00:05:51] <Reedy>	 So make an extension to host them
[00:05:56] <Reedy>	 or put them in MF
[00:06:36] <preilly>	 Reedy: well if I go the extension route it also contain MF
[00:06:44] <preilly>	 s/contain/contains 
[00:07:14] <TimStarling>	 an extension would be a bit simpler to manage than just dropping it into the document root
[00:07:20] <TimStarling>	 with an extension we get version control
[00:07:39] <Reedy>	 https://bits.wikimedia.org/static-1.20wmf2/extensions/MobileFrontend/stylesheets/images/hide.png
[00:07:41] <Reedy>	 etc
[00:07:57] <Reedy>	 Changing of MW versions could become a PITA
[00:08:07] <TimStarling>	 yeah, that URL wouldn't really work
[00:08:09] <preilly>	 Reedy: okay
[00:08:14] <Reedy>	 But the idea is there
[00:08:15] <TimStarling>	 don't we have a version-independent URL?
[00:08:21] <Reedy>	 err
[00:08:32] <preilly>	 TimStarling: yeah, that would be nice
[00:08:49] <Reedy>	 no, we don't (not sure if we did before)
[00:09:02] <Reedy>	 one can be created simply enough
[00:09:03] <preilly>	 What about what's in outside of w
[00:09:08] <Reedy>	 only another dir/symlinks etc
[00:09:16] <Brooke>	 Well, it used to not use the version. Which was the version-independent version...
[00:09:35] <TimStarling>	     # Version-independent aliases for backwards-compatibility
[00:09:36] <TimStarling>	     Alias /w/extensions/ /usr/local/apache/common/docroot/wikimedia.org/w/extensions/
[00:09:41] <TimStarling>	 what's that then?
[00:09:59] <Reedy>	 I was just looking at files, not the apache configs
[00:10:25] <preilly>	 Reedy: are you able to create gerrit repos?
[00:10:33] <Reedy>	 lrwxrwxrwx  1   500 wikidev   23 2006-02-13 13:41 w -> /apache/common/live-1.5
[00:10:55] <preilly>	 Reedy: yeah that was the directory that I was thinking about
[00:10:56] <Reedy>	 yay, our symlink hell
[00:11:04] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "docs++" [mediawiki/extensions/Validator] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11970
[00:11:12] <Reedy>	 extensions -> /usr/local/apache/common-local/php/extensions
[00:11:17] <Reedy>	 So whatever is our "current" version
[00:11:45] <TimStarling>	 as long as it goes through the php symlink, it will keep working
[00:12:02] <TimStarling>	 all the version-independent symlinks should go through that one
[00:13:32] <Reedy>	 Aren't the bits urls quite aggressively cached?
[00:14:47] <preilly>	 so can the files just be stored directly in  /apache/common/live-1.5 instead of an extension?
[00:15:39] <TimStarling>	 Reedy: maybe in the varnish conf
[00:16:08] <TimStarling>	 preilly: yes, but like I say, then you don't get version control, we have to manage it separately to everything else
[00:16:26] <Reedy>	 well...
[00:16:42] <preilly>	 This is completely a one off thing
[00:16:43] <Reedy>	 the docroots are in the mediawiki config git repo
[00:16:51] <preilly>	 and it needs to be live tomorrow 
[00:17:17] <TimStarling>	 is common as a whole in there?
[00:17:40] <TimStarling>	 yes it is
[00:17:41] <Reedy>	 pretty much, with ignores for php-* etc
[00:18:38] <TimStarling>	 ok, is there any other reason to favour an extension?
[00:18:45] <preilly>	 TimStarling: you can see the files that I want to host at fenari:/home/preilly/DolphinBrowser
[00:20:43] <TimStarling>	 do you need the PHP files to be executed?
[00:21:09] <preilly>	 TimStarling: no
[00:21:35] <preilly>	 TimStarling: also we can probably delete them
[00:22:55] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Scale AFT tables to support 10% deploy - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37707 normal; MediaWiki extensions: ArticleFeedbackv5; (tchay)
[00:23:54] <preilly>	 TimStarling: thoughts?
[00:24:26] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Scale AFT tables to support 10% deploy - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37707  +comment (10Terry Chay)
[00:24:27] <TimStarling>	 I think we can put it in docroot/bits, temporarily
[00:24:36] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Article Feedback - Increase Test Sample to 10% of English Wikipedia (using article ID code) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37616  (10Terry Chay)
[00:24:38] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Scale AFT tables to support 10% deploy - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37707  +comment (10Terry Chay)
[00:25:52] <TimStarling>	 looks like you have access to the mediawiki-config repo already
[00:25:57] <TimStarling>	 so you could submit it as a gerrit change
[00:26:39] <TimStarling>	 maybe it would be better to make the MobileFrontend directory a symlink to the actual MobileFrontend
[00:26:46] <TimStarling>	 instead of copying it to all apaches twice
[00:26:51] <TimStarling>	 well, 6 times instead of 5 I guess
[00:27:05] <TimStarling>	 but it makes maintenance easier
[00:27:59] <preilly>	 TimStarling: well I'm all for it being a symlink 
[00:30:14] <Giorgios>	 is anyone able to help?
[00:31:02] <preilly>	 TimStarling: so put it in https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/gitweb?p=operations/mediawiki-config.git;a=tree;f=docroot/bits;h=4bdd3a22addc51848a0ccc764f816947632f1caf;hb=HEAD
[00:31:20] <TimStarling>	 yes
[00:31:43] <Giorgios>	 we require assistance
[00:31:57] <Giorgios>	 or i do
[00:33:47] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Allow having parameter types that are not registered and can thus only be used by instantiating their class directly" [mediawiki/extensions/Validator] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11971
[00:34:01] <TimStarling>	 I don't see anything in the varnish configuration that would overwrite cache headers
[00:34:07] <TimStarling>	 but we can test that after deployment
[00:34:11] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "fix parameter types" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMaps] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11972
[00:34:19] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Jeroen De Dauw; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/Validator] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11970
[00:34:21] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Jeroen De Dauw; [mediawiki/extensions/Validator] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11970
[00:34:34] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Jeroen De Dauw; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMaps] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11972
[00:34:36] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Jeroen De Dauw; [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMaps] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11972
[00:34:49] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Jeroen De Dauw; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/Validator] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11971
[00:34:52] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Jeroen De Dauw; [mediawiki/extensions/Validator] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11971
[00:35:52] <TimStarling>	 Giorgios: your problem is that you don't know what shell access is?
[00:36:06] <TimStarling>	 what sort of hosting do you have?
[00:36:09] <Giorgios>	 why do you require shell access Tim?
[00:36:17] <Giorgios>	 what do you mean?
[00:36:41] <TimStarling>	 did you buy web hosting from someone?
[00:36:55] <Giorgios>	 i was given it by my riend
[00:36:58] <Giorgios>	 friend*
[00:37:03] <Giorgios>	 He is my host
[00:37:22] <TimStarling>	 how do you change files on it?
[00:37:32] <Giorgios>	 file manager
[00:37:56] <TimStarling>	 what file manager?
[00:38:02] <preilly>	 TimStarling: New patchset: preilly; "add dolphin browser assets to bits docroot" [operations/mediawiki-config] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11973
[00:38:07] <SPQRobin>	 TimStarling: he doesn't need shell access anymore, that problem is fixed via the database directly
[00:38:27] <SPQRobin>	 TimStarling: but he says he can't add a usergroup via Special:Userrights
[00:39:02] <SPQRobin>	 TimStarling: I think because the (custom) group is using a space in the name, I'm not sure if that is allowed in a group name
[00:39:54] <Giorgios>	 i've seen it done before
[00:40:52] <Reedy>	 It's probably not done how you think it is
[00:41:35] <preilly>	 TimStarling: so what are the next steps to getting that actually deployed?
[00:41:37] <Giorgios>	 I did it before in the older versions as well
[00:42:22] <TimStarling>	 preilly: I'm running scap now
[00:42:37] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Reedy; "I guess this takes care of https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18758 too" [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11965
[00:42:58] <SPQRobin>	 Giorgios: I tested it and you cannot add a group with a space in it
[00:43:44] <Giorgios>	 so then how do you make it to where it appears with _ in the usergroup list
[00:44:05] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) ApiModifyItem uses mb_strcut and there is no fallback defined - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37677   +i18n (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[00:44:12] <SPQRobin>	 Giorgios: edit LocalSettings and change the group name
[00:44:23] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) ApiModifyItem uses mb_strcut and there is no fallback defined - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37677  +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[00:44:31] <Giorgios>	 simply just change it?
[00:44:42] <Giorgios>	 i did that
[00:44:46] <Giorgios>	 and then the group unchecked
[00:45:00] <SPQRobin>	 yes, add the group via the special page
[00:45:18] <TimStarling>	 you mean add the user to the group
[00:45:29] <preilly>	 TimStarling: is scap still running?
[00:45:35] <Reedy>	 scap takes ages
[00:45:39] <TimStarling>	 preilly: yes, it will take a while
[00:45:47] <preilly>	 TimStarling: okay good to know
[00:45:52] <preilly>	 TimStarling: thanks for your help
[00:45:56] <TimStarling>	 np
[00:50:55] <preilly>	 TimStarling: just to be clear will the URL be: http://bits.wikimedia.org/DolphinBrowser/index.html
[00:51:08] <preilly>	 TimStarling: or is it http://bits.wikimedia.org/w/DolphinBrowser/index.html
[00:51:20] <TimStarling>	 http://bits.wikimedia.org/DolphinBrowser/index.html
[00:51:35] <preilly>	 TimStarling: okay thanks for the clarification 
[00:55:43] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Scale AFT tables to support 10% deploy - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37707  +comment (10Fabrice Florin)
[01:14:50] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Make language names cross-localizable in all languages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37704  +comment (10Siebrand)
[01:19:53] <wikibugs>	 03(ASSIGNED) PagedTiffHandler assumes one-based page numbers; doesn't work with ImageMagick 6.7.7-2 which returns zero-based page numbers - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37692  +comment (10Markus Glaser)
[01:25:48] <wikibugs>	 14(WFM) Make language names cross-localizable in all languages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37704  +comment (10Krinkle)
[01:46:22] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Scale AFT tables to support 10% deploy - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37707   +aftv5-1.5 (10Fabrice Florin)
[01:57:59] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Article Feedback - CTA 4: Join the community - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36771  +comment (10Fabrice Florin)
[02:04:30] <Krinkle>	 kim_bruning: Michael Dale?
[02:05:40] <Max252B>	 Hello. How I am supposed to css edit a wiki skin when a parameter is directly mentioned in the page and not in the skin .css file?
[02:05:43] <Max252B>	 I found a <h5 style="width: 26px; "> somewhere in the header of the vector skin, no matter what it has priority over my modified css
[02:06:06] <Krinkle>	 kim_bruning: that's a different person then :)
[02:06:16] <Krinkle>	 mdale is a MediaWiki core developer
[02:06:19] <Krinkle>	 http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Mdale http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/author/dale
[02:06:32] <Krinkle>	 Never heard of daly, sorry
[02:07:10] <Krinkle>	 kim_bruning: Why would that be neccecary?
[02:07:37] <Krinkle>	 the detection, extraction and injection of <tags> from wikitext is all automated in mediawiki core
[02:07:52] <Krinkle>	 the logic to "get" <imagemap> is not in that extension.
[02:08:26] <Krinkle>	 nevermind
[02:08:36] <Krinkle>	 I just noticed
[02:09:07] <Krinkle>	 kim_bruning: You can try contacting him
[02:09:08] <Krinkle>	 his name is linked
[02:09:09] <Krinkle>	 click it, then "E-mail this user" in the toolbox
[02:09:16] <Krinkle>	 k
[02:10:14] * Krinkle  wishes *ML a happy but short as possible life

[02:10:15] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) First item not expanding on Firefox 13.0, mobile and desktop - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37673  (10Jon)
[02:10:21] <Krinkle>	 XML, SVGXML, HTML, 
[02:10:28] <Krinkle>	 go go go, that time is over
[02:11:01] <Krinkle>	 what do you think? Telnet of course
[02:11:06] <Krinkle>	 HyperCard!
[02:11:10] <Krinkle>	 :D
[02:12:08] <Krinkle>	 Meh, 2011 or 20011. Both works for me. I've been watching Doctor Who lately.
[02:12:32] <Krinkle>	 hehe
[02:12:47] <Krinkle>	 I just finished the 2-parter where the Master introduces his Laser screwdriver
[02:13:23] <Krinkle>	 define 'while'. LIke, 10 years? Or months
[02:13:28] <Krinkle>	 There is a new series on the BBC since 2005/2006
[02:13:50] <Krinkle>	 it is a sequal/revival/continuation of the story brought in the 60s/70s/80s
[02:14:00] <Krinkle>	 I heard of it
[02:15:10] <Krinkle>	 Did you know BBC has used torrent for years as well? (a variation on the protocol, anyway)
[02:15:19] <Krinkle>	 p2p streaming during peak hours
[02:15:23] <Krinkle>	 based on Pandora
[02:15:31] <Krinkle>	 incredible protocol
[02:15:37] <Krinkle>	 pretty smart, saves tons of bandwidth
[02:16:32] <Krinkle>	 kim_bruning: Just in case... does the fact that [[File:...]] supports |link= help you?
[02:16:56] <Krinkle>	 (many people reach out to <imagemap> in MediaWiki because they can't figure out a way to make a link on an image)
[02:17:02] <Krinkle>	 as in 1 link on an image
[02:17:14] <Krinkle>	 ....yes?
[02:17:16] <Krinkle>	 so ?
[02:17:33] <Krinkle>	 So upgrade it
[02:17:46] <Krinkle>	 you've got all the reasons to. They'll be hacked by the clean up lady otherwise.
[02:18:26] <Krinkle>	 lol
[02:19:06] <Krinkle>	 1.15 is no longer supported
[02:19:08] <Krinkle>	 1.16 is on legacy
[02:19:09] <Krinkle>	 hm..
[02:19:09] <Krinkle>	 oh well. Do you have to do :)
[02:19:53] <Krinkle>	 demo 1.19, install Vector/WikiEditor, that should be a big 'mprovement
[02:20:09] <Krinkle>	 kim_bruning: I wonder, who is network support related ?
[02:20:19] <Krinkle>	 how*
[02:20:46] <Krinkle>	 kim_bruning: so you can create an extension from scratch and deploy it around them, but can't upgrade it to 1.19?
[02:21:46] <Krinkle>	 I know, but you can easily <s>trick them</s> tell them how easy it is to upgrade (upload a tar ball, run 1 command line script)
[02:21:55] <Krinkle>	 thats best case scenario of course
[02:22:00] <Krinkle>	 (make backups!)
[02:23:27] <Krinkle>	 I can't speak for your situation obviously, but when I got into that situation I saw it as my duty to take position and explain how you simply can't run the stuff like that (not with those words), and offer your help to do the upgrade for them (as a capable developer, you should be able to do that with proper access in under an hour, easily)
[02:23:50] <Krinkle>	 oh, may the lord help us all.
[02:24:22] <Krinkle>	 (I was typing that before you introduced the MW 1.13 factor)
[02:24:34] <Krinkle>	 And I did not have to deal with IIS
[02:25:01] <Krinkle>	 in my situation (about 2-3 years ago) it was an old Mac mini running 10.2 Jaguar
[02:25:17] <Krinkle>	 had to update php first, gosh I didn't' see that one coming.
[02:26:01] <Krinkle>	 that's quite a hassle on a Mac, that is, the first time it is hard. If you have one installed (leaving the stock install in tact) it is easily replaces, but getting it in there is a mess.
[02:26:13] <Krinkle>	 exactly
[02:27:01] <Krinkle>	 Now that I'm working on Mac OSX full-time, I know my way around and have 3 php versions installed simultaneously and all working smoothly. 
[02:27:09] <Krinkle>	 3 years ago I couldn't cope installing 1 version
[02:27:45] * Krinkle  checks

[02:28:26] <Krinkle>	 I have them in /usr/local/php/php-5.2.1 etc. and one of them symlinked to /usr/local/bin/php
[02:29:05] <Krinkle>	 leaving the default Mac in tact in /usr/bin
[02:29:07] <Krinkle>	 yeah
[02:29:33] <Krinkle>	 kim_bruning: but... http://xkcd.com/932/
[02:29:48] <Krinkle>	 sometimes the value of the site is exaggerated by the public
[02:29:53] <Krinkle>	 but not in the case of bank :D
[02:30:49] <Krinkle>	 DMZ isn't that that stainless steel "DeLorean" car producer?
[02:30:58] <Krinkle>	 oh that was DMC
[02:31:24] <Krinkle>	 a blue british police box to be exact
[02:32:23] <Krinkle>	 oh, old memories of Back To The Future float by my frontal lobe
[02:33:05] <Krinkle>	 Hey you're in Freenode on IPv6
[02:33:40] <Krinkle>	 I'm weird like that
[02:34:28] <Krinkle>	 Oh shameful, how could I forget. You're dutch, as am I.
[02:34:45] <Krinkle>	 jazeker
[02:35:13] <Krinkle>	 nog niet, wil wel graag. maar we houden het nog even bij ziggo.
[02:35:25] <Krinkle>	 iedereen heeft er problemen mee, maar loopt hier nog altijd soepel.
[02:35:38] <Brooke>	 kim_bruning? In my #mediawiki?
[02:35:51] <Krinkle>	 kim_bruning: ingebracht, niet in gebruik.
[02:36:08] <Krinkle>	 Hey Brooke 
[02:36:17] <Brooke>	 Hey Krinkle.
[02:36:29] <Krinkle>	 Brooke: I'm watching you very carefully now.
[02:36:40] <Brooke>	 Hot.
[02:36:42] <Brooke>	 What'd I do?
[02:36:53] <Krinkle>	 The nickname, what else.
[02:36:56] <Brooke>	 Hah.
[02:37:02] <Brooke>	 Shapeshifter. (o;
[02:37:20] <Brooke>	 I think it's related to the fact that I don't part/join often.
[02:37:31] <Brooke>	 So people don't see my cloak unless they intentionally look.
[02:37:31] <Krinkle>	 kim_bruning: by the way, one of the xs4all founders wrote down a joke in one of his first postings that I remembered just now when looking at Mz's nickname
[02:37:33] <Brooke>	 Or something.
[02:37:37] <Krinkle>	 "The pig stood right up in the brooke"
[02:37:48] <Krinkle>	 Only Dutch can understand.
[02:38:00] <Krinkle>	 Or Twents-Dutch
[02:38:03] <Brooke>	 kim_bruning: Life's good. Quiet. :-)  You?
[02:38:10] <Krinkle>	 kim_bruning: Niet het varken.
[02:38:21] <Krinkle>	 pronounce it
[02:38:27] <Krinkle>	 with a Dutch accent.
[02:39:01] <Brooke>	 Heh.
[02:39:04] <Krinkle>	 it was, I know. He's a dirty old man
[02:39:52] <Brooke>	 Figuring out ways to troll Wikimania, of course.
[02:40:16] <Brooke>	 Well, I'll have home-field advantage!
[02:40:22] <Brooke>	 I'm already setting traps!
[02:40:33] <Brooke>	 I'll be there, yes.
[02:40:41] <Brooke>	 You could.
[02:40:46] <Brooke>	 Though I imagine others have already.
[02:40:53] <Brooke>	 Heh.
[02:43:31] <Amgine>	 <waves>
[02:44:36] <Brooke>	 Heh.
[02:44:42] <Brooke>	 I'm doing half a talk.
[02:44:46] <Brooke>	 With Tilman.
[02:44:52] <Brooke>	 About movement communications.
[02:44:57] <Brooke>	 Bowel movements, presumably.
[02:45:34] <Brooke>	 Yes.
[02:45:46] <Amgine>	 Much to my surprise, yes I am.
[02:45:52] <Brooke>	 Ouch.
[02:46:03] <Brooke>	 This is what happens when you book a month out. ;-)
[02:46:13] <Amgine>	 But I am not doing anything officially this time.
[02:47:09] <Amgine>	 heh. I never got one for that year. 
[02:47:36] <Amgine>	 No, we met.
[02:48:01] <Amgine>	 <wanders off whistling mysteriously>\
[02:54:24] <Amgine>	 <pokes Brooke for attention to Kim_Bruning>
[02:54:53] <Brooke>	 kim_bruning: https://wikimania2012.wikimedia.org/wiki/Submissions/Movement_Broadcasting_-_%27Stop_Spamming%27_vs._%27Nobody_Told_Me%27
[02:55:09] <Brooke>	 And https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=35306
[02:56:14] <Amgine>	 (thinks it should be 'Broadcasting the Movement:...'
[02:57:32] <Brooke>	 For sure.
[02:57:49] <Brooke>	 There can't be a wall.
[02:57:58] <Brooke>	 But there can be better communications.
[02:58:09] <Brooke>	 because there's too much data.
[02:59:46] <Amgine>	 <blinks> Lack of communication, perhaps?
[03:04:38] <Brooke>	 kim_bruning: Shedding users? Like skin?
[03:05:05] <Amgine>	 Not a bad comparison.
[03:06:39] <Amgine>	 No, because a critter has to *make* new skin to shed.
[03:06:56] <Amgine>	 And sometimes, that stops happening.
[03:42:05] <Giorgios>	 hiyas
[03:46:18] <Giorgios>	 anyone here
[03:47:30] <Giorgios>	 alright then
[03:47:34] <Giorgios>	 night then
[03:47:38] <Giorgios>	 Night Kim
[03:47:39] <Giorgios>	 :)
[03:50:16] <Giorgios>	 anyone else
[03:50:17] <Giorgios>	 !
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[03:50:22] <Giorgios>	 !botbrain
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[04:00:20] <Giorgios>	 anyone can help me?
[04:00:26] <Giorgios>	 ping
[04:00:29] <Giorgios>	 !botbrain
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[04:01:16] <Giorgios>	 TimStarling: You There?
[04:01:20] <Giorgios>	 TimStarling: Ping
[04:01:55] <Giorgios>	 hello
[04:14:14] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Uzbek Wikipedia logo change - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37699  +comment (10abdulla)
[04:32:46] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Jay Huggins; "I think that in this case you don't want another select yet, but let me explain my intention." [mediawiki/core] (master) C: 1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/8783
[04:39:21] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) mw.Uri.clone() doesn't make a deep copy - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37708 normal; MediaWiki: JavaScript; (roan.kattouw)
[04:45:09] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Santhosh; "Correct the filtering of the notifications and avoid duplicates per page." [mediawiki/extensions/TranslationNotifications] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5155
[04:45:18] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Santhosh; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/TranslationNotifications] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5155
[04:45:54] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Santhosh; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/TranslationNotifications] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5155
[04:56:29] <varnent>	 is anyone on who is an expert at diagnosing Collection extension?
[04:56:45] <varnent>	 I've been getting an error for weeks while trying to render anything via the extension
[04:56:57] <Brooke>	 What error?
[04:57:20] <varnent>	 Render server error - An error occured on the render server: RuntimeError: RuntimeError: command failed with returncode 256
[04:58:52] <Brooke>	 Google it?
[04:59:01] <Brooke>	 Looks like there are a few threads discussing it.
[04:59:13] <varnent>	 no luck in either Google or that thread
[05:16:43] <DarKnight2012>	 why doesn't wikipedia have live preview support (like Stackoverflow)?
[05:17:01] <DarKnight2012>	 is it only because of the length of edit is usually much longer?
[05:17:07] <DarKnight2012>	 or any other reasons?
[05:23:13] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Santhosh; "CLDR Plural rules based plural form calculation" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11836
[05:24:59] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Santhosh; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11836
[05:25:24] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: jenkins-bot; "Build Successful " [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 1 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11836
[05:30:17] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Santhosh; "1. We need to make the parser complete by supporting range,range|number syntax as well. (see  http:/..." [mediawiki/core] (master) C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11726
[05:33:41] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Scale AFT tables to support 10% deploy - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37707  +comment (10Fabrice Florin)
[05:40:52] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Scale AFT tables to support 10% deploy - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37707  (10Fabrice Florin)
[05:41:26] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Use ResourceLoader/mw.config for jsReviewNeedsChange - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34716  (10Aaron Schulz)
[05:49:18] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) PagedTiffHandler assumes one-based page numbers; doesn't work with ImageMagick 6.7.7-2 which returns zero-based page numbers - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37692  +comment (10Lupo)
[05:49:30] <aharoni>	 DarKnight2012: I'm not aware of any truly live preview support, but there are a couple of solutions for quick preview, if it helps.
[05:50:05] <DarKnight2012>	 aharoni: do you have a link?
[05:50:05] <aharoni>	 In the paradise future we'll have a Visual Editor, which should be better than live preview.
[05:50:42] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) PagedTiffHandler assumes one-based page numbers; doesn't work with ImageMagick 6.7.7-2 which returns zero-based page numbers - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37692  +comment (10Lupo)
[05:51:05] <aharoni>	 DarKnight2012: One solution is to use the Vector skin and to enable "Use live preview (requires JavaScript) (experimental)" in the editing preferences.
[05:51:21] <aharoni>	 It's not completely live - just fast, without having to reload the whole page.
[05:51:48] <aharoni>	 And in the Hebrew Wikipedia there's a gadget that does something similar and is even faster. Give me a second to find it...
[05:52:14] <DarKnight2012>	 aharoni: so is it the average length of edit is the thing that holds back live preview?
[05:53:30] <DarKnight2012>	 aharoni: I'll try the options you mentioned
[05:53:36] <aharoni>	 DarKnight2012: the gadget: https://he.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Gadget-QPreview.js ... if you want to use it, I can translate the strings.
[05:53:38] <DarKnight2012>	 thanks for the tips
[05:54:05] <aharoni>	 I don't really know *why* wasn't it done.
[05:54:44] <aharoni>	 I can just guess that running the parser very often for a true live preview is very heavy on the resources.
[05:55:14] <aharoni>	 Anyway, the Visual Editor project is trying to solve it comprehensively, but nobody knows when will it happen exactly.
[05:56:03] <DarKnight2012>	 thanks, I got it automatically translated
[05:56:24] <DarKnight2012>	 but it's a simple call of a function and where is the rest of the code?
[05:58:08] <aharoni>	 let me see, i'm not much of a gadgets guy...
[05:58:29] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Several history entries for the same content - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37225  +comment (10Aaron Schulz)
[05:59:21] <DarKnight2012>	 I see the script simply replace the regular preview button
[05:59:25] <DarKnight2012>	 by a quick preview
[05:59:40] <DarKnight2012>	 which instead of render the whole page, only render a portion of it
[05:59:54] <DarKnight2012>	 aharoni: pls correct me on that if I'm wrong
[06:00:37] <aharoni>	 From a quick look at the code, it looks like you're right. I just never dealt with gadgets too much.
[06:00:54] <aharoni>	 You can also try https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Js/ajaxPreview - it was made by the same guy and seems more up-to-date and better documented.
[06:01:11] <DarKnight2012>	 I was thinking why not have a live preview that instead of rendering the whole page
[06:01:25] <DarKnight2012>	 just render a few lines before current cursor position
[06:01:34] <DarKnight2012>	 and a few lines below it
[06:02:28] <aharoni>	 well, because one little change of a '|' or a '{{{' in a template that spans many lines can cause a very big change in the display.
[06:02:31] <DarKnight2012>	 thank you
[06:02:52] <DarKnight2012>	 aharoni: yeah, I agree
[06:02:55] <DarKnight2012>	 it's tricky
[06:03:16] <DarKnight2012>	 well, maybe then using empty line 
[06:03:51] <DarKnight2012>	 and only render per paragraph
[06:14:13] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Tim Starling; "That's definitely not the right way to do it then. The reads are non-blocking, so it's not possible ..." [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: -2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/8783
[06:20:03] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Szymon ?wierkosz; "Hmm. I am confused, is there a problem with my change or not?" [mediawiki/extensions/ProofreadPage] (master) C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/6078
[06:22:35] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Render interlanguage links in sidebar ucfirst per context language rules - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37705  +comment (10Niklas Laxström)
[06:30:11] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Make language names cross-localizable in all languages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37704  +comment (10Krinkle)
[06:30:53] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Logicwiki; "Remove beta status for Tamil Inscript" [mediawiki/extensions/Narayam] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11974
[06:36:13] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Nikerabbit; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11964
[06:36:15] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Szymon ?wierkosz; "You were faster than me :). I have also similar changeset stashed somewere, but did not have time to..." [mediawiki/extensions/ProofreadPage] (master) C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11725
[06:36:15] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Nikerabbit; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11964
[06:38:31] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Amire80; "Adding JavaScript CLDR plural parser." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11726
[06:38:58] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) PagedTiffHandler assumes one-based page numbers; doesn't work with ImageMagick 6.7.7-2 which returns zero-based page numbers - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37692  +comment (10Derk-Jan Hartman)
[06:39:11] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Amire80; "Patch set 2 adds basic parser testing." [mediawiki/core] (master) C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11726
[06:40:33] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: jenkins-bot; "Build Successful " [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 1 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11726
[06:48:07] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Allow us to setup alternate names/redirects for mailing lists - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/24453  +comment (10Daniel Zahn)
[06:50:36] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Szymon ?wierkosz; "(bug 13953) Allow global user CSS/JS." [mediawiki/extensions/CentralAuth] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/7274
[06:53:07] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Aaron Schulz; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/9498
[06:53:12] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Aaron Schulz; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/9498
[06:53:30] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Szymon ?wierkosz; "Thanks Krinkle for your review. ResourceLoader does not have a clear documentation. So if I can avoi..." [mediawiki/extensions/CentralAuth] (master) C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/7274
[06:57:25] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Tobias Gritschacher; "You're right, should be in master of course." [mediawiki/core] (Wikidata) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11852
[07:02:35] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Aaron Schulz; "In Wiki.php I see:" [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/10085
[07:20:36] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Nikerabbit; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11726
[07:20:36] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Santhosh; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/Narayam] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11974
[07:20:39] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Santhosh; [mediawiki/extensions/Narayam] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11974
[07:25:22] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Dereckson; "Fixing ponctuation." [test/mediawiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11975
[07:27:34] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Nikerabbit; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/TranslationNotifications] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5155
[07:37:27] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Dereckson; "Fixing ponctuation." [test/mediawiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11975
[07:38:16] <gerrit-wm>	 Change abandoned: Dereckson; "Testing Abandon Change" [test/mediawiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11975
[07:38:23] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Tobias Gritschacher; "Selenium tests are failing because of a JS error occurring when doing the following:" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 0 C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11955
[07:38:42] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Netbrain; "Changed mapeditor to export with syntax display_map" [mediawiki/extensions/Maps] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11976
[07:39:29] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Netbrain; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/Maps] (master) C: 1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11976
[07:40:08] <Dereckson>	 Hi
[07:40:16] <Dereckson>	 hmmmm I'm stucked http://code.google.com/p/gerrit/issues/detail?id=653
[07:43:57] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Catrope; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11947
[07:44:22] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Catrope; [mediawiki/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11947
[07:44:59] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Netbrain; "improved gui on searchmarkers" [mediawiki/extensions/Maps] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11846
[07:46:02] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Netbrain; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/Maps] (master) C: 1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11846
[07:47:42] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Daniel Kinzler; "maybe just cherry-pick it into master and submit it for review. give a link to this change for refer..." [mediawiki/core] (Wikidata) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11852
[07:48:22] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) Create "integration" project - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37706  +comment (10Ryan Lane)
[07:48:29] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Catrope; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11565
[07:48:40] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Catrope; [mediawiki/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11565
[07:49:13] <gerrit-wm>	 Change restored: Dereckson; "." [test/mediawiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11975
[07:51:46] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Catrope; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11300
[07:51:57] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Catrope; [mediawiki/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11300
[07:53:27] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Hashar; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/10461
[07:55:14] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Dereckson; "Fixing ponctuation." [test/mediawiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11975
[07:55:57] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Hashar; "please merge this in  Id7ec4e69" [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: -2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/8560
[07:56:03] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Hashar; "please merge this in  Id7ec4e69" [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: -2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/8553
[07:56:33] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Hashar; "This need to get changes from I8938ea2d and I2962054a to be added :-D" [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: -2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/8511
[07:58:55] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Dereckson; "Sorry, I were confused by Gerrit interface and a JavaScript issue when comparing a patch set to a pr..." [mediawiki/extensions/ProofreadPage] (master) C: 1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/6078
[07:59:57] <Dereckson>	 okay to go back to a previous changeset, the easieast is git review -d ... / git checkout <old changeset> / git add <files modified> / git commit --amend / git review -R
[08:06:12] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Make language names cross-localizable in all languages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37704  +comment (10Siebrand)
[08:07:14] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Uzbek Wikipedia logo change - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37699  +comment (10Dereckson)
[08:08:59] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Daniel Kinzler; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11865
[08:10:45] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Enable Transwiki import on Gujarati Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37511  +comment (10Harsh4101991)
[08:13:45] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Nikerabbit; "Fix fatal errors for unknown groups in Special:Translate" [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11978
[08:17:26] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Nikerabbit; "Does not follow coding style" [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/10725
[08:18:11] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Daniel Kinzler; "(bug 37496) diff display for items, using the ItemDiff class" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11865
[08:19:03] <arhifane>	 hi everybody. i'm new to this channel. Is there a list of some nice websites based on mediaWiki?
[08:19:12] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) [regression] Toolbar API to remove buttons is broken / multiple buttons for links, ref, table shown - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37484  summary; +comment (10Michael M.)
[08:19:24] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) [regression] Toolbar API to remove buttons is broken / multiple buttons for links, ref, table shown - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37484  +comment (10Michael M.)
[08:20:26] <Nikerabbit>	 arhifane: wikipedia.org?
[08:21:33] <Danny_B|backup>	 arhifane: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Sites_using_MediaWiki
[08:21:54] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Enable Transwiki import on Gujarati Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37511  +comment (10Harsh4101991)
[08:22:16] <arhifane>	 thanks Danny_B|backup 
[08:23:33] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Siebrand; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11978
[08:23:35] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Siebrand; [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11978
[08:30:29] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Amire80; "Adding JavaScript CLDR plural parser." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11726
[08:31:58] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Amire80; "Added some more tests." [mediawiki/core] (master) C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11726
[08:32:16] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Hashar; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/9872
[08:32:34] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: jenkins-bot; "Build Successful " [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 1 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11726
[08:37:07] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Tobias Gritschacher; "bugfix: always making add button invisible when triggering toolbar's hide function" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11980
[08:37:16] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Hashar; "Fix comments added in change 10088" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/10386
[08:37:34] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Hashar; "Patchset 2 is just a rebase." [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/10386
[08:37:37] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Hashar; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/10386
[08:50:18] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Hashar; "Setting -1 pending improvement." [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/10763
[08:52:51] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Nikerabbit; "Correct the filtering of the notifications and avoid duplicates per page." [mediawiki/extensions/TranslationNotifications] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5155
[08:55:57] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jalexander; "Creating extension for geolocated shop link" [mediawiki/extensions/WikimediaShopLink] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11012
[08:56:56] <hashar>	 yeah one more WMF people :)
[08:57:09] <hashar>	 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jalexander
[08:58:10] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Change logo and settings for stewardwiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37700  +comment (10Trijnstel)
[09:00:01] <sumanah>	 Daniel_WMDE: ping
[09:00:14] <sumanah>	 Daniel_WMDE: Gerrit troubleshooting staff calling :-)
[09:08:15] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Activate the patroller group on nn.wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36972  +comment (10Christoffer)
[09:11:53] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Change logo and settings for stewardwiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37700  +comment (10Peter Bena)
[09:23:04] <Danwe_WMDE>	 why is gerit displaying patch sets without any changes after an amend? At least happened twice in the team today...
[09:23:12] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Hashar; "Correct the filtering of the notifications and avoid duplicates per page." [mediawiki/extensions/TranslationNotifications] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5155
[09:23:31] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Hashar; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/TranslationNotifications] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5155
[09:23:34] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Hashar; [mediawiki/extensions/TranslationNotifications] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5155
[09:23:40] <sumanah>	 Danwe_WMDE: can you poke Kinzler and get him to answer my ping?
[09:23:43] <sumanah>	 :-)
[09:24:52] <Danwe_WMDE>	 sumanah: He's not in the office, working from home ;) sorry
[09:24:56] <sumanah>	 oho!
[09:24:57] <sumanah>	 ok
[09:25:17] <hashar>	 Daniel_WMDE: that might be a rebase. Have a look at the patchsets parent commit
[09:25:37] <hashar>	 Daniel_WMDE: by default git-review automatically rebase your change on latest origin/master commit
[09:26:50] <Danwe_WMDE>	 hashar: it says error: failed to push some refs to ...wikibase.git but it's strange since I just did 'git review -d xxxxx', 'git commit --amend' and 'git review -R
[09:27:19] <hashar>	 ohh
[09:27:41] <hashar>	 copy paste the full error on http://dpaste.org/ ?
[09:27:51] <hashar>	 (we need a pasting extension for mediawiki.org )
[09:28:17] <sumanah>	 hashar: what IRC client do you use?
[09:28:58] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Amire80; "Removing unused code." [mediawiki/extensions/TranslationNotifications] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11982
[09:29:09] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Spam from mediawiki-cvs-bounces - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37690  +comment (10Niklas Laxström)
[09:29:44] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) Unable to set workflow states - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37648  +comment (10Niklas Laxström)
[09:29:48] <Danwe_WMDE>	 hashar: http://dpaste.org/D4ypa/ but it just came to me that we both didn't update to the new version of git-review yet...
[09:30:37] <hashar>	 sumanah: Colloquy v2.4
[09:31:11] <sumanah>	 hashar: I wonder whether it, like XChat, has a setting so that it tab-completes, not in alphabetical order, but in last-spoke order
[09:31:12] <hashar>	 Danny_B|backup: well anyway, I am not sure what you have amended, but it seems Gerrit does not like your change :-]
[09:31:18] <sumanah>	 hashar: Mark just told me about that and I love it
[09:31:25] <sumanah>	 er, Traceur
[09:31:39] <hashar>	 Danny_B|backup: you can always try the regular version which is to push your current refs to gerrit with something like:  git push origin master:refs/for/master
[09:31:53] <hashar>	 Danny_B|backup: but then, Gerrit will tell you "no changes made"
[09:32:15] <hashar>	 Danny_B|backup: so you can look at the commit sha1 in gerrit interface. Your patchset must already be there somewhere
[09:32:44] <hashar>	 sumanah: looks like hitting <tab> give me your name :-D
[09:32:49] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Nikerabbit; "Updating TranslationNotifications to master on 1.20wmf5" [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.20wmf5) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11983
[09:33:00] <sumanah>	 hashar: but in the "which WMDE Daniel?" case....
[09:33:03] <hashar>	 sumanah: though I spoked to Danny but you are the last person to have addressed me a message.
[09:33:17] <Nikerabbit>	 hashar: ^^
[09:34:55] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: jenkins-bot; "Build Successful " [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.20wmf5); V: 1 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11983
[09:35:53] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Tobias Gritschacher; "bugfix: always making add button invisible when triggering toolbar's hide function" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11980
[09:36:36] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Activate the patroller group on nn.wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36972  -shellpolicy +shell; +comment (10Dereckson)
[09:37:12] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Hashar; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.20wmf5); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11983
[09:37:15] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Hashar; [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.20wmf5) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11983
[09:40:22] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Santhosh; "Basic language selector" [mediawiki/extensions/UniversalLanguageSelector] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11984
[09:43:10] <Danwe_WMDE>	 hashar: still get the error even after updating git-review. any idea?
[09:44:47] <hashar>	 Danwe_WMDE: what is the sha1 of your commit?
[09:44:51] <hashar>	 it must be in gerrit already
[09:45:21] <hashar>	 double check with  git log --oneline --decorate --all --graph
[09:45:33] <hashar>	 makes you some kind of an ASCII graph of all your branches
[09:45:52] <Danwe_WMDE>	 hashar: it is I307d0baba442ac115ab942b77390895faa59adf1
[09:48:02] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Daniel Werner; "Did some cleanup on Aliases + implemented that the enter button will trigger save/cancel patch set 2: used reference to object correctly on _trigger() which failed" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11955
[09:48:33] <hashar>	 Daniel_WMDE: so have you fixed your issue somehow ? 
[09:48:52] <Danwe_WMDE>	 hashar: just solved it, I wasn't aware that you can alter the commit message. So when I didn't do that it refused to send the patch set even though the review message didn't really imply that...
[09:49:18] <Danwe_WMDE>	 Thought I would probably break something when changing the message
[09:49:39] <hashar>	 hmm
[09:49:59] <hashar>	 that is confusing, why did you want to submit a new patchset that already exist so ? :-]
[09:50:46] <Danwe_WMDE>	 hashar: its strange now, patch set 1 existed, was empty, but now patch set 2 exists and is empty but patch set 1 has the change...
[09:50:58] <hashar>	 doh
[09:51:11] <hashar>	 well maybe there was some cache issue with patchset1 :(
[09:52:15] <Danwe_WMDE>	 I don't know hashar, had the same thing with Daniel_WMDE in the past I remember, there were empty patch sets before.
[09:53:07] <hashar>	 ohh
[09:53:10] <hashar>	 danwe != daniel
[09:53:13] <hashar>	 grrmbmlb
[09:53:28] <hashar>	 Danwe_WMDE: to be honest, I have no idea what it can be :-(
[09:53:46] <hashar>	 patchset1 was definitely sent to gerrit
[09:54:09] <hashar>	 the only thing I can think of is some browser cache issue that would show an empty list of files modified
[09:54:26] <TimStarling>	 too many Daniels
[09:54:53] <Danwe_WMDE>	 TimStarling: not enough Tims =)
[09:55:05] <TimStarling>	 and speaking of Daniels, I found a line in the wikidata branch that goes out to 217 columns
[09:55:34] <Danwe_WMDE>	 where?
[09:55:52] <TimStarling>	 if I tell you you'll probably fix it
[09:56:07] <TimStarling>	 which would conflict with my own fix
[09:56:14] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) Page protection leads to issue in translatable pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/32983  +comment (10Niklas Laxström)
[09:56:18] <Danwe_WMDE>	 I guess its in the config
[09:56:23] <TimStarling>	 nope
[09:57:04] <hashar>	       1 Warning:  Division by zero in /usr/local/apache/common-local/php-1.20wmf5/extensions/ParserFunctions/Expr.php on line 423
[09:57:07] <hashar>	 lovely code :-)
[09:58:36] <TimStarling>	 thank you
[09:58:53] <TimStarling>	 				if ( $right == 0 ) {
[09:58:54] <TimStarling>	 					throw new ExprError( 'division_by_zero', $this->names[$op] );
[09:58:54] <TimStarling>	 				}
[09:58:54] <TimStarling>	 				$stack[] = $left % $right;
[09:59:12] <TimStarling>	 not sure how you managed to get past the condition
[09:59:23] <hashar>	 I have no idea
[09:59:30] <hashar>	 that is from the fatal monitor log on production
[09:59:41] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Special:ManageMessageGroups times out when dealing with >10000 changed messages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37167  normal->major (10Niklas Laxström)
[09:59:46] <hashar>	 maybe $right is an empty string ? :-]
[09:59:51] <hashar>	 and evaluate to 0
[09:59:56] <hashar>	 aka   $left % ''
[10:00:11] <TimStarling>	 php > print '' == 0;
[10:00:11] <TimStarling>	 1
[10:00:17] <TimStarling>	 so it would trigger the exception
[10:00:30] <TimStarling>	 double-equals used for good not evil
[10:00:35] <hashar>	 php > print 500 % '';
[10:00:35] <hashar>	 Warning: Division by zero in php shell code on line 1
[10:00:52] <_Meow>	 Maybe $right = '0.0000001'?
[10:01:13] <hashar>	 oh that is a double equals
[10:01:14] <hashar>	 right
[10:01:15] <hashar>	 sorry 
[10:01:23] <TimStarling>	 				// Convert it to float, silently removing double decimal points
[10:01:23] <TimStarling>	 				$operands[] = floatval( substr( $expr, $p, $length ) );
[10:01:33] <_Meow>	 Okay
[10:01:42] <TimStarling>	 it converts the operands to float before it does any of this anyway
[10:01:52] <TimStarling>	 so maybe double equals is in fact used for evil after all
[10:03:03] <hashar>	 well I am not sure you want to spend your evening on that anyway :-D
[10:03:23] <hashar>	 just mentioned it cause I was looking at fatal monitor, I might just create a bug report for later
[10:03:51] <TimStarling>	 long lines: http://paste.tstarling.com/p/VcBtGn.html
[10:04:50] <TimStarling>	 the SpecialVersion one is my fault
[10:04:58] <TimStarling>	 mowoxf=<<<moDzk=hgs8GbPbqrcbvagDdJkbe zk=zk>0kssss?zk-0k10000:zk kbe zk=DDzk<<3&0kssssJ|Dzk>>13JJ^3658 kbe zk=pueDzk&0kssJ.pueDzk>>8JJ?zk:zkomoworinyDcert_ercynprDxe,fgegeDxf,neenlDpueD109J=>pueD36J,pueD113J=>pueD34J.pueD92J. 0 .pueD34JJJ,fgegeDxv,neenlDpueD13J=>snyfr,pueD10J=>snyfrJJJJwo';
[10:05:24] <wikibugs>	 14(WFM) ISBN Special:BookSources page - world map doesn't work on mobile site - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/20030  +comment (10Jon)
[10:08:26] <TimStarling>	 that's the longest line of code
[10:08:57] <TimStarling>	 the next longest is in Profiler.php, 241 bytes
[10:09:08] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Tobias Gritschacher; "Did some cleanup on Aliases + implemented that the enter button will trigger save/cancel patch set 2: used reference to object correctly on _trigger() which failed patch set 3: added a selenium test to test functionality of saving on pressing return" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11955
[10:10:33] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) EXPR_MOD sometime attempt to divide by zero - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37709 normal; MediaWiki extensions: ParserFunctions; (hashar)
[10:10:55] <hashar>	 TimStarling: I have logged a bug about the % 0 in parserfunctions ( https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=37709 )
[10:11:28] <TimStarling>	 now I have to fix it
[10:11:37] <hashar>	 just for tracking purposes since i got no way to reproduce it`
[10:11:57] <TimStarling>	 probably some dangling pointer in PHP corrupting the op array so that the condition is reversed
[10:12:12] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Jens Ohlig; "Nice." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11842
[10:12:12] <TimStarling>	 making it if ( $right != 0 ) {
[10:12:14] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Jens Ohlig; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11842
[10:16:13] <gerrit-wm>	 Change abandoned: Daniel Kinzler; "This change is bogus. As Krinkle pointed out, it doesn't even use the custom printer class I wrote. ..." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/10725
[10:17:06] <hashar>	 Daniel_WMDE: thanks for abandoning that PHPUnit change. One less change to review :-]
[10:17:23] <Daniel_WMDE>	 ;)
[10:18:08] <Daniel_WMDE>	 i'm a bit emarresed though. that was silly.
[10:18:12] <Daniel_WMDE>	 +b
[10:18:59] <TimStarling>	 Daniel_WMDE: can you make sure your editor uses tabs for indenting rather than spaces?
[10:19:39] <Daniel_WMDE>	 TimStarling: made sure of that a while ago, but some old edits still have spaces. 
[10:19:57] <sumanah>	 Daniel_WMDE: Gerrit troubleshooting staff calling :-) can you merge a test commit to the Wikidata branch now?  Trying to figure out this permissions issue
[10:20:11] <Daniel_WMDE>	 actually, i did that wrong for longer than necessary - i did set indent to tabs in phpstorm, only to find out that i have to do this for "normal" and for "php" separately...
[10:20:25] <Daniel_WMDE>	 TimStarling: any place in particular where there are still spaces?
[10:20:39] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Tobias Gritschacher; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11955
[10:20:46] <Daniel_WMDE>	 sumanah: can do, if someone posts a commit for me to test with :)
[10:20:56] <Daniel_WMDE>	 can't approve my own changes
[10:21:04] <Daniel_WMDE>	 (or can I?)
[10:21:09] <sumanah>	 yes, you can
[10:21:12] <TimStarling>	 I have a commit lined up which fixes indenting in 11 files
[10:21:26] <TimStarling>	 I skipped the indenting errors which appear to predate wikidata
[10:21:28] <sumanah>	 this is part of the danger, Daniel_WMDE - you could turn into a power-mad dictator, merging and abandoning while mwahahahahahaing
[10:21:38] <TimStarling>	 I found them with grep '^    '
[10:21:47] <Daniel_WMDE>	 TimStarling: ugh. sorry for wasting your time with that :( 
[10:21:56] <Daniel_WMDE>	 yea, i was just about to do that grep
[10:22:05] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Daniel Werner; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11980
[10:22:11] <TimStarling>	 I'm thinking about merging it into a commit to fix some other things
[10:22:14] <Daniel_WMDE>	 sumanah: i'll practice the laugh
[10:22:33] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Daniel Werner; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11980
[10:22:36] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Daniel Werner; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11980
[10:22:37] <sumanah>	 that's good, I wouldn't want to have to -1 your laughter 
[10:22:40] <Daniel_WMDE>	 TimStarling: can you just commit it for review, so i can see if i can merge it, as sumana requested?
[10:22:50] <Daniel_WMDE>	 there was a bit of a screwup with the gerrit permissions
[10:23:10] <TimStarling>	 ok
[10:24:21] <TimStarling>	 btw I was just talking about how there's a line in Article.php with your name on it which appears to be the 4th longest line of code in MediaWiki at 201 bytes
[10:24:47] <TimStarling>	 you should probably press enter more often
[10:25:10] <Daniel_WMDE>	 yea... i kind of dislike wrapping parameter lists
[10:25:15] <Daniel_WMDE>	 which leads to long lines.
[10:25:21] <TimStarling>	 have you read the style guide?
[10:25:42] <Daniel_WMDE>	 not in a while. probably should do that again :)
[10:25:43] <TimStarling>	 there are also single-line if statements in wikidata, which the style guide recommends against
[10:25:53] <Daniel_WMDE>	 we went over it with jeroen not too long ago
[10:26:44] <TimStarling>	 I'm guessing the idea to use namespaces in WikidataRepo was Jeroen's idea
[10:26:48] <Daniel_WMDE>	 TimStarling: yea, old habits die hard. i change them when i notice them, but i often don't - i don't notice my own spelling mistakes either :)
[10:26:56] <Daniel_WMDE>	 yes, indeed
[10:28:12] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Tim Starling; "Fix indenting errors introduced in Wikidata branch" [mediawiki/core] (Wikidata) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11985
[10:28:32] <hashar>	 yeahh moaar whitespace
[10:28:52] <hashar>	 [Diff all Unified]
[10:29:00] * hashar  notices how every page show a blank change

[10:29:12] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Hashar; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/core] (Wikidata); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11985
[10:29:13] <hashar>	 +2 
[10:29:14] <TimStarling>	 that's gerrit for you
[10:29:15] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Hashar; [mediawiki/core] (Wikidata) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11985
[10:29:35] <hashar>	 I have Gerrit set to ignore whitespaces :-D
[10:30:12] <hashar>	 anyway, that might produce conflict when merging master to wikidata
[10:31:25] <TimStarling>	 like I say, I didn't touch any lines that were there before wikidata existed
[10:31:53] <TimStarling>	 I left a few indenting errors in place, I figured they should be pushed to master instead
[10:33:17] <hashar>	 After some tests, it turns out only anonymous IP editors are purge rate limited. So I've setup the script to run in 10 processes on the Toolserver (willow) using my login cookies. Its running at ~11,000 purges per hour and should be done within two weeks. —Dispenser (d) 00:15, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
[10:33:19] <hashar>	 yeahh
[10:33:21] <hashar>	 damn bots :-D
[10:33:54] <hashar>	 oh noticed Tim replied
[10:34:02] <TimStarling>	 I did
[10:34:27] <hashar>	 I wish we could have added that to our jobqueue
[10:34:42] <hashar>	 instead of having a bot in Europe to hammer our servers with &action=purge :/
[10:35:32] <TimStarling>	 they say they already tried editing the template
[10:35:52] <TimStarling>	 which should have cleared all the HTML caches that they are invalidating now with action=purge
[10:36:29] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Daniel Werner; "Did some cleanup on Aliases + implemented that the enter button will trigger save/cancel patch set 2: used reference to object correctly on _trigger() which failed patch set 3: added a selenium test to test functionality of saving on pressing return patch" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11955
[10:38:42] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Hashar; "Stepping off from review since Tim is looking at this." [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/8783
[10:42:30] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Tobias Gritschacher; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11955
[10:42:32] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Tobias Gritschacher; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11955
[10:44:05] <Dereckson>	 hashar: 11 000 purges per hour = 3 request per second ; it's enough to "hammer our servers" ? 
[10:44:23] * hashar  forgot to divide by 3600

[10:44:25] <hashar>	 ;)
[10:44:46] <hashar>	 I was mostly ranting about that being done through a bot instead of server side
[10:44:54] <hashar>	 3qps is probably fine
[10:45:09] <hashar>	 specially since Tim is aware of it and did not complain
[10:45:19] <hashar>	 Dereckson: and thanks for all the patches / reviews you are doing :-]
[10:49:49] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Netbrain; "Changed mapeditor to export with syntax display_map" [mediawiki/extensions/Maps] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11976
[10:50:23] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Netbrain; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/Maps] (master) C: 1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11976
[10:52:26] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) PagedTiffHandler assumes one-based page numbers; doesn't work with ImageMagick 6.7.7-2 which returns zero-based page numbers - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37692  +comment (10Lupo)
[10:55:16] <Dereckson>	 I totally agree a million of purges by bot is a clumsy solution.
[10:55:23] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Santhosh; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/Narayam] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/7741
[10:55:26] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Santhosh; [mediawiki/extensions/Narayam] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/7741
[11:01:23] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Amire80; "Adding JavaScript CLDR plural parser." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11726
[11:03:27] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: jenkins-bot; "Build Successful " [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 1 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11726
[11:12:40] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Amire80; "Patch set 4 fixes 'within' and 'is not' and adds more tests. There are still things to fix." [mediawiki/core] (master) C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11726
[11:13:46] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Amire80; "Adding JavaScript CLDR plural parser." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11726
[11:14:17] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Amire80; "Patch set 5 adds more tests and fixes the 'not in' rule." [mediawiki/core] (master) C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11726
[11:15:49] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: jenkins-bot; "Build Successful " [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 1 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11726
[11:17:07] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Bastion is broken - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37710 normal; Wikimedia Labs: General; (benapetr)
[11:17:22] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Bastion is broken - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37710  normal->04CRIT (10Peter Bena)
[11:21:10] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Bastion is broken - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37710  +comment (10Peter Bena)
[11:25:49] <mrothe>	 Is there a "git blame" equivalent for wikipedia? I see a bogus link at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Secretaries_of_State_of_the_United_States and would like to "undo" it, but am unable to find the revision it was introduced. See the reference at "Formation: July 27, 1789".
[11:36:14] <mrothe>	 You can remove the link, but there might have been a link to an actual reference, which I can only restore by undoing the change.
[11:37:49] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Disambiguation pages are permitted to be orphans - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37711 normal; MediaWiki extensions: PageTriage; (okeyes)
[11:43:10] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) Cross-dependency: WikibaseLib depends on Wikibase repo - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37467  (10Daniel Kinzler)
[11:43:30] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) ItemHandler::getParserOutput() must not touch OutputPage - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37502  +comment (10Daniel Kinzler)
[12:05:49] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Add specific reviewer in Gerrit on SQL changes - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36228  +comment (10Antoine "hashar" Musso)
[12:07:08] <lunaphyte_>	 i'm having some trouble with $wgGroupPermissions [anonymous users see a "permissions errors" page instead of a "login required" page on a wiki that requires logins].  yesterday someone suggested that OuputPage::showErrorPage might be related - i'm not quite sure what that means though.
[12:09:40] <Daniel_WMDE>	 lunaphyte_: "login required" is only triggered when you use $wgReadWhitelist.
[12:10:16] <lunaphyte_>	 Daniel_WMDE: i'd experimented with that a bit, but i'm not sure i follow.
[12:10:17] <Daniel_WMDE>	 if you just use plain permissions to restrict reading, mediawiki doesn't realize that a login is required.
[12:10:50] <Daniel_WMDE>	 ...it just reports that the user doesn't have the required rights, but doesn't try to find out how the user could fix that.
[12:11:00] <Daniel_WMDE>	 actually...
[12:11:48] <Daniel_WMDE>	 "login required" could always be shown if some permission is missing for an anon user. because only by logging in can more rights be gained. but logging in may not be sufficient...
[12:12:13] <Daniel_WMDE>	 lunaphyte_: $wgReadWhitelist basically indicates to mediawiki that it's dealing with a "private" wiki, and anons can only read a limited set of pages
[12:12:31] <Daniel_WMDE>	 only in that case will mediawiki show the "login required" message
[12:12:45] <Daniel_WMDE>	 (if i remember this correctly)
[12:13:39] <Daniel_WMDE>	 lunaphyte_: it would actually be a nice feature request: always show "login required" to anonymous users when insufficient permissions are detected.
[12:13:46] <Daniel_WMDE>	 file it if you like.
[12:14:25] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) Bastion is broken - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37710  +comment (10Ryan Lane)
[12:14:30] <lunaphyte_>	 Daniel_WMDE: i think i'm missing something still though.  i have an older version [1.16.0] which behaves as i expected, but this install [1.19.0] behaves differently.
[12:15:01] <Daniel_WMDE>	 oh, really? that may be a regression then, maybe 1.16 was smarter about this
[12:15:06] <Daniel_WMDE>	 one more reason to file a report
[12:15:42] <Daniel_WMDE>	 using wgReadWhitelist *should* fix this though, afaik.
[12:15:58] <lunaphyte_>	 if i'm understanding $wgWhitelistRead [i think that's what you were referring to?], Special:Userlogin and Special:ChangePassword are always whitelisted [according to DefaultSettings.php
[12:16:12] <Daniel_WMDE>	 oh yea, wgWhitelistRead, sorry
[12:16:25] <Daniel_WMDE>	 yes, they should be
[12:16:27] <lunaphyte_>	 no worries, i figured
[12:16:43] <Daniel_WMDE>	 well, they are *implicitely* whietelisted.
[12:16:57] <Daniel_WMDE>	 but that doesn't cause mediawiki to consider the wiki "private".
[12:17:05] <lunaphyte_>	 in debugging a bit, i've been doing some print_r - should they be present in the array?
[12:17:23] <Daniel_WMDE>	 i don't think so, no
[12:17:58] <Daniel_WMDE>	 lunaphyte_: which pages on your wiki as supposed to be readable without login?
[12:18:02] <lunaphyte_>	 ok.  they seem to be whitelisted, since if i click the actual login link, i can in fact login, and all is fine - it's just the "friendly" page that previously directed a client to the login page.
[12:18:57] <Daniel_WMDE>	 i think so. if you can actually use $wgWhitelistRead. that is, if you only have a limited set of public pages
[12:19:17] <Daniel_WMDE>	 if you have entire namespaces that should be public, then no.
[12:19:30] <lunaphyte_>	 in this particular case, there are no public pages/namespaces at all [except the login page]
[12:19:52] <Daniel_WMDE>	 so, set $wgWhitelistRead to include only your main page
[12:20:01] <Daniel_WMDE>	 (which will then be public, which is usually nice anyway)
[12:20:15] <lunaphyte_>	 but then the main page would be readable without logging in, right?
[12:20:18] <Daniel_WMDE>	 that should cause you to see the "login required" message on all other pages
[12:20:24] <Daniel_WMDE>	 yes, it would
[12:20:50] <lunaphyte_>	 in this case, i'd rather the main page not be readable without logging in - i'll give that a try though and see what happens.
[12:20:53] <Daniel_WMDE>	 lunaphyte_: if you don't want that, set $wgWhitelistRead to some other page. even a non-existing page would do. as long as there's somethign in there.
[12:20:59] <lunaphyte_>	 hmm, i see.
[12:21:20] <Daniel_WMDE>	 the logic is "if there's a whitelist, deny access to anythign else and show 'login required'"
[12:21:25] <Daniel_WMDE>	 so, put something in there.
[12:21:29] <lunaphyte_>	 ah.  understood.
[12:21:39] <lunaphyte_>	 one other clue i found, if it might be insightful:
[12:23:19] <lunaphyte_>	 we have groups in ldap, with names that differ from the default groups.  to keep things organized and less cluttered, i clear $wgGroupPermissions and set them explicitely as desired.  i found that if i add $wgGroupPermissions['user']['read'] = true; back in, the "login required" page is shown instead of the "permissions errors" page.
[12:23:42] <Ryan_Lane>	 ewww
[12:23:46] <Ryan_Lane>	 you shouldn't clean it out entirely
[12:24:02] <lunaphyte_>	 this was confusing to me, as it seemed to be in some way effecting people not in the "user" group.
[12:24:08] <lunaphyte_>	 why not?
[12:24:25] <Ryan_Lane>	 just disable the things you don't want
[12:24:33] <Ryan_Lane>	 because you'll constantly be running into issues like this
[12:24:52] <Ryan_Lane>	 the defaults are pretty sane, overall
[12:25:19] <lunaphyte_>	 what i want to clear out are the meaningless [in our context] groups that end up getting listed in the special pages, etc.
[12:25:29] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Uzbek Wikipedia logo change - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37699  +comment (10abdulla)
[12:25:44] <Daniel_WMDE>	 lunaphyte_: any logged in user must be in the "user" group. this is an implicit group signaling the fact of being logged in.
[12:25:51] <Ryan_Lane>	 indeed
[12:26:06] <Daniel_WMDE>	 lunaphyte_: don't mess with implicite groups, that's going to cause major confusion
[12:26:09] <lunaphyte_>	 this is confusing to me.
[12:26:23] <Ryan_Lane>	 the software has assumptions based on default groups
[12:26:28] <lunaphyte_>	 why has it worked as expected with version 1.16?
[12:26:36] <Ryan_Lane>	 this would be like deleting /etc/group on a linux system
[12:26:38] <Daniel_WMDE>	 lunaphyte_: plain luck
[12:26:42] <lunaphyte_>	 fair enough :)
[12:26:49] <Ryan_Lane>	 you don't *need* the group file, maybe
[12:26:58] <Ryan_Lane>	 but at some point in time it's going to screw you :)
[12:27:37] <Ryan_Lane>	 the ldap extension works a lot like a linux system would
[12:27:46] <Daniel_WMDE>	 lunaphyte_: actually, unless you hacked around badly, your users will always be in ther "user" group
[12:27:55] <Ryan_Lane>	 it pulls the groups from externally, and caches them locally
[12:29:03] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Matthias Mullie; "fix url to signup/login in CTA4" [mediawiki/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11988
[12:29:38] <lunaphyte_>	 i'll regroup then with regard to this.  not to digress - but simply out of curiousity, why would $wgGroupPermissions['user']['read'] = true; affect what a client that's not logged in sees?
[12:29:49] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Daniel Kinzler; "undo misguided changes to phpunit" [mediawiki/core] (Wikidata) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11989
[12:30:44] <Daniel_WMDE>	 lunaphyte_: it *might* be that mediawik checks $wgGroupPermissions['user']['read'] == false in addition to the whitelist to see whether it should behave as a "private" wiki (which causes it to show the "login required" stuff)
[12:30:51] <Daniel_WMDE>	 would make sense to do that
[12:31:00] <Daniel_WMDE>	 though it's a bit hacky
[12:31:10] <lunaphyte_>	 ah, hmm.
[12:31:58] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: jenkins-bot; "Build Successful " [mediawiki/core] (Wikidata); V: 1 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11989
[12:32:10] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Daniel Kinzler; "see also Ie651d0ea " [mediawiki/core] (Wikidata); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11989
[12:32:13] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Daniel Kinzler; [mediawiki/core] (Wikidata) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11989
[12:32:52] <lunaphyte_>	 there is some sort of programmatic notion of a "private" wiki that is based on certain criteria?  or is it more of a categorization made by a human upon seeing the particular characteristics of a wiki?
[12:33:58] <lunaphyte_>	 like something that could happen where mediawiki would formally consider itself "private" and behave differently in various ways in a global sense?
[12:34:35] <marxistvegan>	 morning folks I recently installed media wiki and I am still getting confused on where to create or place the Common.css file
[12:34:36] <Daniel_WMDE>	 lunaphyte_: there is a programmatic notion which was kind of hacked in based on certain criteria. it was added to support the human categorization, in order to allow for stuff like showing a "please log in" message
[12:34:45] <lunaphyte_>	 i see.
[12:34:52] <Daniel_WMDE>	 !css | marxistvegan
[12:34:52] <wm-bot>	 marxistvegan: To change styles for your wiki, go to one of the MediaWiki:xxx.css wiki page (NOT a file) and put your custom styles there (sysop/admin rights required). MediaWiki:Common.css is for all skins and should be used for content styles. MediaWiki:Vector.css is for the Vector skin (default), etc. For more information, see !skins and <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Skin_configuration>
[12:35:36] <Daniel_WMDE>	 hi JeroenDeDauw
[12:35:40] <marxistvegan>	 is that MediaWiki:xxx.css on my site cause when I try to visit that it goes no where
[12:35:45] <lunaphyte_>	 thanks for your help and patience with this.  i'll go back and reformulate my permissions to not exclude the built-ins and see how things go.
[12:35:55] * JeroenDeDauw  hides from Daniel_WMDE

[12:36:15] <Daniel_WMDE>	 marxistvegan: go to MediaWiki:Common.css can create the page. put your css styles there. clear your browser cache, then you'll see them.
[12:36:21] <Daniel_WMDE>	 marxistvegan: the page doesn't exist per default.
[12:37:05] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Nikerabbit; "Basic language selector" [mediawiki/extensions/UniversalLanguageSelector] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11984
[12:37:16] <marxistvegan>	 ahhhhh now I got it thank you Daniel_WMDE
[12:38:14] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Nikerabbit; "Did some JavaScript cleanup (spaces, semicolons, braces) and added some TODOs. Please test." [mediawiki/extensions/UniversalLanguageSelector] (master); V: 0 C: 1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11984
[12:49:48] <lunaphyte_>	 Ryan_Lane: re: the ldap extension, is there a mechanism to associate an ldap group with an existing [built-in/internal] mediawiki group, rather than establishing an entirely separate group?
[12:50:15] <lunaphyte_>	 i'd like to just say something like "wiki-users is just an alias for user" - so to speak.
[12:50:33] <lunaphyte_>	 rather than have two separate groups that are really just the same thing anyway.
[12:50:48] <Ryan_Lane>	 lunaphyte_: not really
[12:50:55] <Ryan_Lane>	 lunaphyte_: only if you have a "users" group in ldap
[12:51:02] <lunaphyte_>	 i feel like i'm missing something.
[12:51:18] <lunaphyte_>	 right, yeah, that's the part that seems to be at odds with this.
[12:51:25] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Added support for using the google js api key to increase map and geocoding limits" [mediawiki/extensions/Maps] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11991
[12:51:34] <Ryan_Lane>	 lunaphyte_: people are part of the users group anyway
[12:51:39] <Ryan_Lane>	 if they are logged in
[12:51:46] <Ryan_Lane>	 other groups just add extra permissions
[12:51:54] <Ryan_Lane>	 or explicitly take permissions away
[12:52:02] <lunaphyte_>	 oh, hmm.
[12:52:29] <lunaphyte_>	 so maybe rather than regurgitate the permissions of user for wiki_users, just add the few extras.
[12:52:59] <lunaphyte_>	 i'll take that approach, thanks.
[12:55:33] <Ryan_Lane>	 yw
[13:01:02] <Danwe_WMDE>	 is it possible to add MW config vars per resourceloader modeule? might be a good idea but at least the ResourceLoaderGetConfigVars hook doesn't work this way.
[13:02:27] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Updated release notes" [mediawiki/extensions/Maps] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11993
[13:08:20] <Daniel_WMDE>	 Danwe_WMDE: i guess you'll have to wait for crincle to come online
[13:08:23] <Daniel_WMDE>	 err.
[13:08:26] <Daniel_WMDE>	 Krinkle
[13:08:36] <Daniel_WMDE>	 wtf brain? 
[13:08:48] <Danwe_WMDE>	 Just thought there was somebody else knowing about this
[13:09:02] <Danwe_WMDE>	 *hoped
[13:12:11] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Jeroen De Dauw; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/Maps] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11991
[13:12:16] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Jeroen De Dauw; [mediawiki/extensions/Maps] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11991
[13:12:38] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Jeroen De Dauw; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/Maps] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11993
[13:12:43] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Jeroen De Dauw; [mediawiki/extensions/Maps] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11993
[13:18:54] <Betacommand>	 why cant I upload a file with the title of http://pastebin.com/r1eq2RGD
[13:19:59] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Uzbek Wikipedia logo change - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37699  +comment (10Antoine "hashar" Musso)
[13:20:40] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Lets derive from article because a bunch of hook handlers (for instance in flagged revs) are type hinting using Article. Now it's even more of a mess, but that really is hard to avoid with current state of relevant core code :/" [mediawiki/extensions/EducationProgram] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11941
[13:22:16] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Uzbek Wikipedia logo change - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37699  +comment (10Dereckson)
[13:22:53] <jeremyb>	 Betacommand: because of http://xkcd.com/859/
[13:23:17] <Betacommand>	 jeremyb: really?
[13:23:51] <jeremyb>	 Betacommand: maybe you could specify what can't means?
[13:24:16] <Betacommand>	 jeremyb: it is an invalid title
[13:24:19] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: John Erling Blad; "Agent to access external client sites for information about pages." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11994
[13:24:28] <Betacommand>	 you cannot even create a wiki link to that page
[13:24:35] <jeremyb>	 ok
[13:25:14] <Juandev>	 o'щи
[13:25:22] <Juandev>	 just said hi
[13:25:24] <Betacommand>	 And I dont know why
[13:32:53] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: GWicke; "Wikitext escaping and source range tracking (work in progress)" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11995
[13:33:31] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: GWicke; "Wikitext escaping and source range tracking (work in progress)" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11995
[13:34:19] <Daniel_WMDE>	 Betacommand: try zeroing in on the offending character using binary search
[13:34:43] <Betacommand>	 Daniel_WMDE: how?
[13:34:50] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Jeroen De Dauw; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11865
[13:34:52] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Jeroen De Dauw; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11865
[13:34:57] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Jens Ohlig; "I find the checking for the OK status in repo/includes/ClientPage.php way too vague and see potenial..." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 0 C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11994
[13:35:51] <Daniel_WMDE>	 Betacommand: try to create a link with just the first half of the title. see if that works. if not, try the first quarter. if that works, try the third eighth.
[13:35:59] <Daniel_WMDE>	 ...and so on
[13:37:35] <Betacommand>	 Daniel_WMDE: both halfs work
[13:38:00] <Daniel_WMDE>	 Betacommand: then it's simply too long. the limit is 255 bytes, afaik.
[13:38:12] <Daniel_WMDE>	 arabic characters need three bytes each, i think
[13:38:18] <Daniel_WMDE>	 (in utf-8)
[13:38:58] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Jeroen De Dauw; "No need to +1 your own stuff :)" [mediawiki/extensions/Maps] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11976
[13:39:01] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Jeroen De Dauw; [mediawiki/extensions/Maps] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11976
[13:39:16] <Betacommand>	 these are thai
[13:39:26] <Daniel_WMDE>	 Betacommand: yep. that's 353 bytes (without the namespace prefix)
[13:39:32] <Betacommand>	 ah
[13:39:35] <Betacommand>	 grrrr
[13:39:44] * Betacommand  goes to look up something

[13:40:22] <Daniel_WMDE>	 (oops, that's not arabic but some indian script or something...)
[13:40:59] <Daniel_WMDE>	 or thai, as you siad
[13:41:06] * Daniel_WMDE  is a bit slow today. but me the heat

[13:41:19] * Daniel_WMDE  drinks more Club-Mate

[13:41:27] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Jeroen De Dauw; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/Maps] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11846
[13:41:30] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Jens Ohlig; "I find the checking for the OK status in repo/includes/ClientPage.php way too vague and see potenial..." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11994
[13:41:33] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Jens Ohlig; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11994
[13:41:50] * Daniel_WMDE  can't type at all today and should go do something less embarassing

[13:41:56] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Jeroen De Dauw; "Can be merged when conflict has been resolved :)" [mediawiki/extensions/Maps] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11846
[13:43:36] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) Display a diff between two revisions of a Wikidata item - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37496  +comment (10Daniel Kinzler)
[13:43:38] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Henning Snater; "removed cancel event for AliasEditTool attaching its function directly to the cancel button action" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11996
[13:47:41] <Vaevictus>	 any extension writers out there know how i'm supposed to run a section specific javascript without lacing my markup with data?
[13:48:29] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) allow people to CR -2 (do not submit) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37712 normal; Wikimedia: Git/Gerrit; (hashar)
[13:50:47] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jens Ohlig; "Revert "Agent to access external client sites for information about pages."" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11997
[13:51:10] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Jens Ohlig; "Reverted." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11997
[13:51:12] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Jens Ohlig; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11997
[13:51:20] <Juandev>	 Daniel_WMDE: club_mate, whats that?
[13:52:15] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Netbrain; "improved gui on searchmarkers" [mediawiki/extensions/Maps] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11846
[13:52:41] <Denny_WMDE>	 Juandev: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Club-Mate 
[13:52:47] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Daniel Kinzler; "please improve the isOk() method." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11994
[13:52:57] <Denny_WMDE>	 funnily enough probably the only guy who has wroten a book on the topic sits next to me...
[13:53:06] <Dereckson>	 hashar: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/11150/ https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=36972 nn. patroller group (with rollback right) <-- I previously put a -1 flag when the bug where in shellpolicy state ; I think the issue is now resolved and we've a consensus to create the group.
[13:53:31] <hashar>	 Dereckson: oh good to know
[13:54:46] <hashar>	 Dereckson: you probably want to use the short comments such as   # bug 1234
[13:54:58] <hashar>	 Dereckson: instead of double slash like // bug 7777
[13:55:23] <Juandev>	 Daniel_WMDE: great looks like alcohol free beer. Now I understand for what were those crates in the office of wmde:-)
[13:56:04] <Dereckson>	 hashar: " // Bug 7777" is currently the most used form 
[13:56:23] <Daniel_WMDE>	 Juandev: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Club-Mate
[13:56:37] <Dereckson>	 I would also prefer the # approach on a personal basis
[13:57:14] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Article Feedback - CTA 4: Join the community - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36771  +comment (10Matthias Mullie)
[13:58:01] <Juandev>	 Daniel_WMDE: or Denny_WMDE, I will try it when in Berlin.
[14:00:40] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Netbrain; "Added missing features to release notes" [mediawiki/extensions/Maps] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11998
[14:01:48] * Juandev  wonders if wikidata will be like SMW a project willing to be implemented to WMF project, which never happened

[14:02:14] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Netbrain; "Added missing features to release notes" [mediawiki/extensions/Maps] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11998
[14:02:17] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Daniel Werner; "Moved 'wbSiteDetails' js variable creation from ItemView to be registered in ResourceLoaderGetConfigVars hook" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11999
[14:03:30] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Fix compatibility with SMW 1.8 alpha" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticCompoundQueries] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12000
[14:04:05] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) Restrict media upload to autopatrolled users on sv.wikisource - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36895  +comment (10Hydra)
[14:04:05] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) Add an alias to Help namespace in ml.wikisource - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35712  +comment (10Hydra)
[14:04:10] <Juandev>	 is there any list of mediawiki forks?
[14:04:32] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) Activate the patroller group on nn.wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36972  +comment (10Antoine "hashar" Musso)
[14:04:47] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Restrict media upload to autopatrolled users on sv.wikisource - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36895  +comment (10Antoine "hashar" Musso)
[14:05:00] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Add an alias to Help namespace in ml.wikisource - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35712  +comment (10Antoine "hashar" Musso)
[14:05:19] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) Set $wgGroupPermissions['rollbacker']['abusefilter-log-private'] = true; on zhwiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37679  +comment (10Antoine "hashar" Musso)
[14:05:28] <BenutzerConny>	 Hey. How to prevent recursion of addPortletLink by clikcing two times in the common.js? Sample: http://zeitzeugen.wikian.de/wiki/Karl_Heinrich_Test - click on Zeitzeugnis u get /../Zeit../Zeit../Zeit... :(
[14:05:32] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) Replace the current Vietnamese Wikibooks logo by File:wiki.png - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37661  +comment (10Antoine "hashar" Musso)
[14:05:45] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) Enable subpages on main and project namespaces on be.wikimedia.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37644  +comment (10Antoine "hashar" Musso)
[14:05:50] <hashar>	 shell bugs are fun :-D
[14:05:52] <hashar>	 off for a few
[14:06:01] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Jeroen De Dauw; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/Maps] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11846
[14:06:03] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Jeroen De Dauw; [mediawiki/extensions/Maps] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11846
[14:06:45] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Jeroen De Dauw; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/Maps] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11998
[14:06:48] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Jeroen De Dauw; [mediawiki/extensions/Maps] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11998
[14:09:36] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Netbrain; "added even more missing features and improvements" [mediawiki/extensions/Maps] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12001
[14:10:07] <Dereckson>	 On https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:%E7%BE%A4%E7%BB%84%E6%9D%83%E9%99%90 : Quickly rollback the edits of the last user who edited a particular page (rollback) / abusefilter-log-private (abusefilter-log-private)
[14:10:23] <Dereckson>	 they didn't localize the messages?
[14:11:06] <Dereckson>	 https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/11744/2/AbuseFilter.i18n.php seems they miss one
[14:11:14] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: AABoyles; "Fixed preceding text bug" [mediawiki/extensions/BreadCrumbs] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12002
[14:11:30] <Dereckson>	 or is it {{doc-right|abusefilter-log-private}}?
[14:11:39] <BenutzerConny>	 This is a Project Wiki of Wikimedia Deutschland.
[14:11:40] <Dereckson>	 no, it's the Qqq for the doc
[14:14:18] <Yaron>	 Hi - how can I find out whether I have a Gerrit account?
[14:14:44] <Yaron>	 I think I have one, but now I don't remember the username/password, so I'm not sure.
[14:15:11] <sumanah>	 hi Yaron. I can check whether you have an account
[14:15:19] <Yaron>	 Okay, thanks.
[14:15:43] <sumanah>	 Yaron: yes, you do. Yaron Koren (Talk | contribs) (Created on 11 January 2012 at 04:19) - I checked https://labsconsole.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:ListUsers&offset=&limit=500
[14:15:48] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: AABoyles; "Fixed Uninstantiated Variable error" [mediawiki/extensions/BreadCrumbs] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12003
[14:16:21] <Yaron>	 sumanah - cool, thanks; that worked!
[14:16:24] <sumanah>	 Yaron: if you're having trouble logging into Gerrit, it's the same username & password as for labsconsole.wikimedia.org so you can use these instructions https://labsconsole.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Access#Initial_log_in_and_password_change to get your password
[14:16:37] <Yaron>	 Okay, good to know.
[14:17:23] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: GWicke; "Wikitext escaping and source range tracking (work in progress)" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11995
[14:17:43] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Jeroen De Dauw; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/Maps] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12001
[14:17:45] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Jeroen De Dauw; [mediawiki/extensions/Maps] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12001
[14:18:15] <sumanah>	 Yaron: You're welcome!  And https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Git/Tutorial is pretty newish and thorough, but please do post corrections or questions if it's wrong or missing something important
[14:22:51] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Reedy; "Creating extension for geolocated shop link" [mediawiki/extensions/WikimediaShopLink] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11012
[14:23:32] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Reedy; "You had some weird whitespace with a space followed by a tab..." [mediawiki/extensions/WikimediaShopLink] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11012
[14:24:19] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Yaron Koren; "Looks good." [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticCompoundQueries] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12000
[14:24:21] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Yaron Koren; [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticCompoundQueries] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12000
[14:31:56] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Daniel Werner; "return jQuery.Promise rather than jQuery.Deferred wherever possible." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12004
[14:39:59] <c>	 let's say you had a wiki which had 3~4 language counterparts that you interwiki'd, but now that's no longer the case. what's the easiest way to cleanup all the "broken" interwiki links
[14:41:09] <Ryan_Lane>	 who wants to give me a review? https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/12006/
[14:42:28] <Reedy>	 gerrit2 says no
[14:42:50] <JeroenDeDauw>	 onoez!
[14:45:19] <petan>	 c: rm -rf
[14:47:49] <Ryan_Lane>	 Reedy: it has a +1 now, review?
[14:47:55] <Ryan_Lane>	 it's only 100k lines
[14:48:21] <Ryan_Lane>	 that actually seems like a gerrit fuckup. those files exist in the test branch already
[14:48:44] <petan>	 @search projects
[14:48:44] <wm-bot>	 Results (Found 3): centralauth, mediawiki, wmf, 
[14:48:49] <petan>	 !mediawiki
[14:48:49] <wm-bot>	 MediaWiki is a free software wiki package originally written for Wikipedia. It is now used by several other projects of the non-profit Wikimedia Foundation and by many other wikis. You can find out more about it at http://www.mediawiki.org
[14:48:53] <petan>	 mm
[14:49:38] <c>	 petan: if you're going to troll i can just ban you
[14:49:55] <petan>	 only troll I see right now is you
[14:49:59] <Ryan_Lane>	 ahhh. I see. someone changed their mode
[14:50:10] <saper>	 Ryan_Lane: wouldn't just git push'ing -f the ref easier instead of the merge?
[14:50:27] <Ryan_Lane>	 what do you mean?
[14:50:42] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Siebrand; "Update punctuation and casing for error messages." [mediawiki/extensions/Scribunto] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12014
[14:50:49] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Incomplete log entries - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37714 normal; MediaWiki: Revision deletion; (maurelio)
[14:50:50] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) RevDelete/HideUser (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/18840  (10Marco Aurelio)
[14:51:26] <Ryan_Lane>	 saper: I just merged the production branch into the test branch for puppet
[14:51:29] <Ryan_Lane>	 we haven't merged them in months
[14:51:46] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Jeroen De Dauw; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/10852
[14:51:49] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Jeroen De Dauw; [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/10852
[14:51:51] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Siebrand; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/Scribunto] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12014
[14:51:53] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Siebrand; [mediawiki/extensions/Scribunto] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12014
[14:52:30] <saper>	 sthh like 'git push -f production:refs/heads/test'
[14:52:49] <marxistvegan>	 sorry to bother again...but I am trying to set a background image and can't seem to figure out what I need to put in the Common.css
[14:53:30] <saper>	 not sure how much do you need the old "test"
[14:53:45] <Ryan_Lane>	 well
[14:53:49] <Ryan_Lane>	 I need to merge test back into production too
[14:53:57] <Ryan_Lane>	 then I'm getting rid of test
[14:55:01] <saper>	 ok merging test into production is another thing, right
[15:00:49] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Daniel Werner; "Moved resourceloader modeules into their own file." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12017
[15:01:48] <c>	 anyway, i tried using interwiki.py in pywikipedia and since they aren't really interwiki links anymore it doesn't see them as such and makes no changes
[15:03:40] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: GWicke; "Wikitext escaping and source range tracking (work in progress)" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11995
[15:04:31] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Jeroen De Dauw; "Please revert this, there are two errors in the change. Missing brackets and undefined variable, bot..." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11842
[15:06:20] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jens Ohlig; "Revert "Autocomments for Wikibase items"" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12019
[15:14:34] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Jeroen De Dauw; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12019
[15:14:36] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Jeroen De Dauw; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12019
[15:21:00] <Juandev>	 hi
[15:21:17] <Juandev>	 anyone running a company website on mw?
[15:25:14] <Daniel_WMDE>	 Juandev: many people do. few of them hang out here, though
[15:27:20] <Juandev>	 Daniel_WMDE: and do you know any examples?
[15:27:29] <Juandev>	 Daniel_WMDE: do they use it as CMS?
[15:27:55] <Daniel_WMDE>	 usually, yes. 
[15:28:11] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Daniel Werner; "Moved resourceloader modeules into their own file. Patch Set 1: global scope won't be polluted anymore." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12017
[15:28:12] <Daniel_WMDE>	 wikimedia.de and wikimediafoundation.org are run that way
[15:28:18] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Unknown error: "tpt-unknown-page" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37715 blocker; MediaWiki extensions: Translate; (mario.quirino)
[15:28:30] <Daniel_WMDE>	 (not strictly companies, but...)
[15:29:16] <hashar>	 Juandev: I even think we had a mediawiki mailing list dedicated to enterprise usage
[15:29:31] <hashar>	 Juandev: ho here it is https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-enterprise
[15:29:43] <Juandev>	 hashar: really! didnt know that:-)
[15:29:50] <hashar>	 I have no idea if it is active though :(
[15:30:16] <Juandev>	 Daniel_WMDE: well, also wmcz
[15:30:25] <Platonides>	 most chapters, actually
[15:33:50] <Juandev>	 than Juandev wonders, why their NGO website will be in wordpress
[15:36:56] <Danny_B|backup>	 because somebody smart has decided that wikimedia people are better in handling of wordpress than mediawiki...
[15:43:05] <Juandev>	 Danny_B|backup: could be or couldnt be. we cant say
[15:57:48] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Unknown error: "tpt-unknown-page" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37715  +comment (10Niklas Laxström)
[16:05:59] <antgel_>	 hi all, have a problem getting short urls to work. have enabled all as per http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL#Setup_steps, but it's not working.  the text appears, but there are no images or styling.  firebug reports it's trying to access the images and styling using the wrong URLs.  please see http://en.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-06192012-070522pm.php for more details.
[16:15:19] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Daniel Werner; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11996
[16:15:25] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Daniel Werner; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11996
[16:18:58] <Krenair>	 Hmm
[16:19:11] <Krenair>	 Interwiki transclusion always assumes you're transcluding a template
[16:19:14] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Matthias Mullie; "Bug 37434 - "Learn more" links on actions need to link to the help materials" [mediawiki/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12023
[16:19:35] <Krenair>	 Or at least something in the Template namespace
[16:21:13] <Krenair>	 And even that is broken
[16:22:22] <Krenair>	 (It transcludes the template page, not the template itself)
[16:23:17] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Reha Sterbin; "Make the AFTv5 lottery the inverse of the AFTv4 lottery" [mediawiki/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12024
[16:36:30] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) allow people to CR -2 (do not submit) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37712  +comment (10Chad H.)
[16:38:32] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: John Erling Blad; "Autocomments for Wikibase items" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12025
[16:53:43] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Victor Vasiliev; "Looks good." [mediawiki/extensions/CentralAuth] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/7274
[16:54:01] <Krenair>	 Can someone explain the rationale behind the commit message line length guidelines?
[16:54:12] <vvv>	 Which part of it?
[16:54:26] * Reedy  wonders which guidelines

[16:54:30] <Krenair>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Git/Commit_message_guidelines
[16:54:44] <Krenair>	 ~50 chars max first line, rest break at 72 chars
[16:55:13] <Reedy>	 I suspect the 50 chars is related to what gets spewed into IRC, and shows as a summary line in gerrit itself
[16:56:16] <vvv>	 72 is a console window width
[16:56:26] <Krenair>	 On what system?
[16:56:34] <Krenair>	 And what decade?
[16:57:08] <vvv>	 Most
[16:57:12] <vvv>	 That's sort of standard
[16:57:38] <Reedy>	 We have people that browse wikipedia through text browsers..
[16:58:07] <^demon>	 Krenair: OSX, if you don't change the default.
[16:58:32] * vvv  has 138x51

[16:58:32] <^demon>	 80, but same diff.
[16:58:51] <MaxSem>	 vvv, "Also, I'd prefer to wait a few days for comments from RL people" != +2
[16:59:04] <vvv>	 MaxSem: I know
[17:00:18] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) allow people to CR -2 (do not submit) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37712  +comment (10Victor Vasiliev)
[17:02:23] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) allow people to CR -2 (do not submit) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37712  +comment (10Chad H.)
[17:06:31] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Szymon ?wierkosz; "You want me to rename 'ext.centralauth.global.user.module' to 'ext.centralauth.global.user'? Is that..." [mediawiki/extensions/CentralAuth] (master) C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/7274
[17:09:39] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Victor Vasiliev; "Yes, please." [mediawiki/extensions/CentralAuth] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/7274
[17:14:09] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Victor Vasiliev; "Should not this use WikiMap somehow?" [mediawiki/extensions/CentralAuth] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/7351
[17:17:07] <Krenair>	 from mediawiki-l: "I am getting ready to upgrade from version 1.14.0 to the latest release."
[17:17:19] <Krenair>	 ಠ_ಠ_ಠ_ಠ_ಠ_ಠ
[17:19:50] <^demon>	 Krenair: At least he's upgrading :)
[17:20:02] <MaxSem>	 Krenair, "...to the latest release of the Debian stable package"
[17:20:55] <Krenair>	 ... Is that a good thing? Or not?
[17:21:12] <^demon>	 If he's in government, I can completely sympathize. It took me months to upgrade from MW 1.12 to 1.13 on the internal wiki....so much red tape.
[17:21:33] <^demon>	 I think it was 1.12 and 1.13.
[17:21:41] <^demon>	 Might've been older.
[17:21:52] <^demon>	 Actually, was probably 11 and 12
[17:21:55] <Krenair>	 He has a corporate email domain.
[17:22:19] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Catrope; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11988
[17:22:28] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Catrope; [mediawiki/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11988
[17:22:40] <Krenair>	 Oh
[17:22:56] <Krenair>	 And according to launchpad, the latest Debian stable package for MediaWiki is 1.15
[17:22:58] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Catrope; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12023
[17:23:05] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Catrope; [mediawiki/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12023
[17:23:10] <Krenair>	 1.15.5 actually
[17:23:16] <Krenair>	 1.19.1 is unstable
[17:24:08] <^demon>	 Krenair: Many corporate environments don't like upgrading stuff that works. Of course this drives developers insane. For instance, at a certain bank I used to work for, upgrading something like this would require months of scheduling, contingency planning, formal PM crap, forms, forms, and more forms.
[17:24:36] <^demon>	 Not to mention, convincing management types that it's worth upgrading :)
[17:25:03] <Krenair>	 I might look through the old change logs for security releases some time
[17:25:20] <Krenair>	 Easy way to convince people that their wiki needs updating
[17:25:22] <Krenair>	 :p
[17:26:01] <^demon>	 You'd be surprised. You point out issues, and the response is "Well, have we been hit by that? What is the likelihood of that actually happening?"
[17:26:31] <^demon>	 For an internal wiki, something like XSS or CSRF are probably a pretty low concern, all things considering.
[17:26:53] <Krenair>	 :/
[17:27:15] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Daniel Werner; "cleaned up startup, which is using jQuery( document ).ready() now." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12028
[17:27:17] <Krenair>	 I admin a gaming site which has a 1.6.7 wiki as a XOOPS module.
[17:27:38] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Aaron Schulz; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/9872
[17:27:42] <Krenair>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Robmoen&action=history Ummm..?
[17:32:01] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Catrope; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5] (master); V: 0 C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12024
[17:36:46] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Subramanya Sastry; "Fixed newline stripping in rtve mode." [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12029
[17:37:32] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Enable Transwiki import on Gujarati Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37511  +comment (10Harsh4101991)
[17:38:42] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Subramanya Sastry; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12029
[17:38:44] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Subramanya Sastry; [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12029
[17:42:17] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) API read/reset of watchlist's wl_notificationtimestamp - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/18758  +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[17:42:28] <Lydia_WMDE>	 siebrand: aha! that's where the magic is :D  thanks
[17:42:49] <Lydia_WMDE>	 siebrand: tbh i feel kinda stupid now but this is all still a bit of black magic
[17:42:52] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Reha Sterbin; "Make the AFTv5 lottery the inverse of the AFTv4 lottery" [mediawiki/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12024
[17:43:52] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Reha Sterbin; "Done." [mediawiki/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12024
[17:44:25] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Catrope; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12024
[17:44:33] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Catrope; [mediawiki/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12024
[17:47:35] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Kaldari; "Every extension needs to have a documentation page on MediaWiki.org (even experimental ones):" [mediawiki/extensions/WikimediaShopLink] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11012
[17:50:22] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Matthias Mullie; "update messages for CTA4" [mediawiki/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12030
[17:51:41] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Catrope; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12030
[17:51:44] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Catrope; [mediawiki/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12030
[17:54:26] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Matthias Mullie; "100% option 6 with CTA5" [mediawiki/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12031
[17:58:54] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Amire80; "Adding JavaScript CLDR plural parser." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11726
[18:01:08] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: jenkins-bot; "Build Successful " [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 1 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11726
[18:02:13] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: GWicke; "I think it is more important to catch all bugs before the release, even if that means a bit more men..." [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12029
[18:02:37] <dreamer>	 ok, here's something: I want to add a bulletlist in the caption of an image in a gallery. the fist line gets a bullet, but I can't get the second one to show. I've tried putting them on the same line, with a <br/> in between. nothing works
[18:02:47] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: GWicke; "Revert "Fixed newline stripping in rtve mode."" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12032
[18:04:06] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Catrope; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12031
[18:04:09] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Catrope; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12031
[18:04:16] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Catrope; [mediawiki/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12031
[18:05:17] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Jeroen De Dauw; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 0 C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12028
[18:07:39] <dreamer>	 ok, did it with a <br/>&bull;
[18:13:04] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Matthias Mullie; "Update ArticleFeedbackv5 to master" [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.20wmf5) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12034
[18:13:26] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Matthias Mullie; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.20wmf5); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12034
[18:14:59] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Kaldari; "Using n-sitesupport is a bit fragile, as you said. Why not use n-mainpage-description?" [mediawiki/extensions/WikimediaShopLink] (master); V: 0 C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11012
[18:15:17] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: jenkins-bot; "Build Successful " [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.20wmf5); V: 1 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12034
[18:16:04] <Giorgios>	 Hello Everyone
[18:17:11] <Nikerabbit>	 hi
[18:19:32] <Giorgios>	 is anyone able to help?
[18:19:35] <Krenair>	 maybe
[18:19:59] <Giorgios>	 Does anyone know how to use Farmer or help me out with setting up a wiki farm?
[18:20:08] <Giorgios>	 I want to use Farmer but I am stuck on one section
[18:22:49] <Giorgios>	 anyone?
[18:23:04] <Krenair>	 I suggest you tell everyone what your problem is
[18:23:11] <Krenair>	 If someone knows they'll help you
[18:23:17] <Giorgios>	 require_once( "$IP/extensions/Farmer/Farmer.php" );   /* We use the internal _matchByURLHostname function to find the wiki name */ $wgFarmerSettings['wikiIdentifierFunction'] = array( 'MediaWikiFarmer', '_matchByServerName' ); #$wgFarmerSettings['dbAdminUser'] = 'wiki'; $wgFarmerSettings['dbAdminUser'] = $wgDBadminuser; #$wgFarmerSettings['dbAdminPassword'] = 'wiki'; $wgFarmerSettings['dbAdminPassword'] = $wgDBadminpassword; $wg
[18:23:21] <Giorgios>	 I am getting stuck on this
[18:23:23] <Krenair>	 Without telling us what it is, no one will know if they can or not.
[18:23:40] <Giorgios>	 I have filled in dbAdminuser fields with the username
[18:23:49] <Giorgios>	 then both dbAdminPassword fields
[18:23:58] <Giorgios>	 then changed the prefixseparator
[18:24:11] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Matthias Mullie; [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.20wmf5) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12034
[18:25:32] <Giorgios>	 I get
[18:25:33] <Giorgios>	 Fatal error: Uncaught exception 'MWException' with message 'configDirectory not found: /home/wikihut/public_html/extensions/Farmer/configs/' in /home/wikihut/public_html/extensions/Farmer/MediaWikiFarmer.php:117 Stack trace: #0 /home/wikihut/public_html/LocalSettings.php(209): MediaWikiFarmer->__construct(Array) #1 /home/wikihut/public_html/includes/WebStart.php(134): require_once('/home/wikihut/p...') #2 /home/wikihut/public_ht
[18:25:53] <Giorgios>	 ut/p...') #3 {main} thrown in /home/wikihut/public_html/extensions/Farmer/MediaWikiFarmer.php on line 117
[18:27:13] <Giorgios>	 anyone can help?
[18:27:16] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Matthias Mullie; "update bucketing version number" [mediawiki/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12036
[18:28:07] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Difficult to distinguish mobile site feedback from mobile app feedback - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37717  +comment (10Jon)
[18:28:14] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Catrope; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12036
[18:28:17] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Catrope; [mediawiki/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12036
[18:28:32] <Giorgios>	 hello?
[18:30:14] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Matthias Mullie; "Update ArticleFeedbackv5 to master" [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.20wmf5) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12037
[18:30:28] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Matthias Mullie; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.20wmf5); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12037
[18:30:33] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Matthias Mullie; [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.20wmf5) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12037
[18:31:27] <Giorgios>	 hello????????????
[18:31:50] <Giorgios>	 ping
[18:31:54] <marktraceur>	 Giorgios: Hi!
[18:31:59] <Giorgios>	 Hello
[18:32:24] <marktraceur>	 There's no need to make a lot of noise, IRC isn't a particularly fast-paced way to communicate. If someone can help you, be sure they'll answer when they can :)
[18:32:25] <Giorgios>	 how are you?
[18:32:35] <marktraceur>	 Now, as for your problem
[18:32:57] <marktraceur>	 Where is this server? Do you have command line access?
[18:33:07] <marktraceur>	 (and thanks for asking, I'm doing really well!)
[18:33:14] <Giorgios>	 what do you mean by command line access?
[18:33:18] <Giorgios>	 SSH?
[18:33:24] <marktraceur>	 Yes, that's one option
[18:33:33] <Giorgios>	 what is the other way?
[18:33:37] <Giorgios>	 phpmyadmin?
[18:33:58] <marktraceur>	 Well, you could feasibly have any number of remote terminal clients
[18:34:04] <marktraceur>	 But if you have SSH, that does it
[18:34:28] <Betacommand>	 !upgrade
[18:34:28] <wm-bot>	 http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Upgrading
[18:36:06] <marktraceur>	 Giorgios: In any case, I'd like you to do `ls /home/wikihut/public_html/extensions/Farmer/configs', to make sure the directory is there
[18:37:18] <marktraceur>	 !e Farmer
[18:37:18] <wm-bot>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Farmer
[18:38:13] <marktraceur>	 Giorgios: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Farmer#.24wgFarmerSettings_variables_and_definitions
[18:38:23] <marktraceur>	 See the "configDirectory" entry there for more help
[18:38:39] <Giorgios>	 the config directory is missing
[18:39:05] <Giorgios>	 its not in the 18.0  snapshot
[18:39:08] <marktraceur>	 Giorgios: Then you'll need to create it and set the permissions right
[18:39:45] <Giorgios>	 which permissions do i set the config file to?
[18:40:04] <marktraceur>	 Giorgios: Read the above wiki page
[18:40:21] <marktraceur>	 The entry I cited, specifically
[18:41:06] <Giorgios>	 so set it to 333 for permissions?
[18:43:13] <Reedy>	 marktraceur: the "config" directory is now mw-config, due to some stupid web control panels being stupid
[18:43:17] <Reedy>	 it's the installer entry point
[18:43:25] <Giorgios>	 so what do i do
[18:43:57] <marktraceur>	 Reedy: It looks like this is a configurable place for this extension to put files
[18:44:08] <Reedy>	 Lovely
[18:44:15] <Reedy>	 Is farmer even maintained anymore?
[18:44:37] <Reedy>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?path=%2Ftrunk%2Fextensions%2FFarmer&title=Special%3ACode%2FMediaWiki
[18:44:38] <marktraceur>	 Giorgios: It needs to be writable only by the webserver, so set either the owner or group properly, then set the write flag for that level
[18:45:00] <Reedy>	 in the last 50 commits, they've all been localisation related, or code cleanup
[18:45:08] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Ori.livneh; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/E3Experiments] (master); V: 0 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11850
[18:45:27] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Ori.livneh; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/E3Experiments] (master); V: 0 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11850
[18:45:37] <marktraceur>	 I dunno, I just skimmed it to help solve the problem
[18:45:45] <Reedy>	 Same for the last 100
[18:45:47] <Giorgios>	 http://prntscr.com/atin5
[18:46:17] <Reedy>	 8 ball: "Doesn't look good"
[18:47:38] <marktraceur>	 Alternatively, "Try again earlier"
[18:47:47] <Giorgios>	 do what?
[18:48:02] <marktraceur>	 Giorgios: Not that
[18:48:11] <Giorgios>	 so do what
[18:48:26] <marktraceur>	 Make it....775, that should do the trick
[18:50:15] <Giorgios>	 http://prntscr.com/atiwu
[18:50:24] <Giorgios>	 click that
[18:52:25] <marktraceur>	 Giorgios: What other configuration have you done for Farmer?
[18:52:54] <Giorgios>	 http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Farmer#Configuration
[18:53:04] <marktraceur>	 You've done _all_ of that?
[18:53:51] <Giorgios>	 these*
[18:53:51] <Giorgios>	 ive changed tese four
[18:53:55] <Giorgios>	 #$wgFarmerSettings['dbAdminUser'] = 'wiki'; $wgFarmerSettings['dbAdminUser'] = $wgDBadminuser; #$wgFarmerSettings['dbAdminPassword'] = 'wiki'; $wgFarmerSettings['dbAdminPassword'] = $wgDBadminpassword; $wgFarmerSettings['dbTablePrefixSeparator'] = '_-_';
[18:54:05] <Giorgios>	 nothing else
[18:54:05] <marktraceur>	 OK
[18:54:14] <marktraceur>	 You should read the _entire_ configuration section
[18:54:27] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) Grey(gray) text in expandable sections for various pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37619  +comment (10Jon)
[18:54:30] <marktraceur>	 Especially defaultWiki, which says in bold: "This variable must be set."
[18:56:08] <Giorgios>	  i dont see that in the text i need to change
[18:57:24] <Danwe_WMDE>	 Krinkle: at the hackathon, you showed me some kind of html template thingy with message keys for the use in JS (and PHP?), what was that? I am thinking about how useful some kind of html templates could be for us in Wikidata for creating similar structures in JS as well as server sided.
[18:57:42] <marktraceur>	 Giorgios: What do you mean?
[18:57:47] <marktraceur>	 Read the whole section
[18:57:53] <Giorgios>	 i read it
[18:58:03] <marktraceur>	 From "Configuration" to "Running Farmer the First Time"
[18:58:08] <Giorgios>	 and where do i set the default wiki in the text
[18:59:50] <Giorgios>	 mark it does not say set the default wiki in this part of the text
[19:00:03] <Giorgios>	 http://prntscr.com/atjis
[19:00:20] <marktraceur>	 Giorgios: That's not the whole section
[19:00:33] <marktraceur>	 There is a subsection titled "$wgFarmerSettings variables and definitions"
[19:00:37] <marktraceur>	 Continue reading
[19:01:03] <Giorgios>	 i read it
[19:01:30] <marktraceur>	 Giorgios: What does redirectToUrl do?
[19:01:43] <Giorgios>	 When onUnknownWiki is set to array('MediaWikiFarmer', '_redirectTo'), this option sets the URL that will be sent in a Location HTTP header.
[19:01:48] <marktraceur>	 Good
[19:01:52] <marktraceur>	 Scroll up from there
[19:01:53] <Krinkle>	 Danwe_WMDE: I'm currently in the middle of a dozen things. Please ask me later or e-mail me, I'll get to it soon (within a day).
[19:02:08] <marktraceur>	 defaultWiki is exactly the first option listed
[19:02:13] <marktraceur>	 In that subsection
[19:02:43] <Krinkle>	 Danwe_WMDE: Note that the message-key part depends on something in Gadgets 2.0 (not deployed or stable yet). The html template with replacement variables, that is possible however.
[19:03:06] <Krinkle>	 Oh never mind, this is an extension, not a gadget. So both are possible :)
[19:03:37] <Giorgios>	 i can see that mark
[19:03:41] <Danwe_WMDE>	 Krinkle: alright I'll mail you about it again and about a couple of other things probably
[19:03:45] <Giorgios>	 but that is not listed in the text you can configure
[19:04:05] <Krinkle>	 Danwe_WMDE: please do :). Sorry if I forgot earlier. Did you email me about it already?
[19:04:15] <Danwe_WMDE>	 no, I didn't ;)
[19:04:19] <Krinkle>	 ok
[19:04:23] <marktraceur>	 Giorgios: All of those options are things you can configure
[19:04:35] <marktraceur>	 Otherwise, they wouldn't be listed in the configuration documentation
[19:04:40] <Giorgios>	 well then
[19:04:48] <Giorgios>	 where do you configure the default wiki then mark
[19:04:52] <Giorgios>	 cause i cant seem to find it
[19:05:30] <marktraceur>	 $wgFarmerSettings['defaultWiki'] = "wiki name";
[19:05:35] <marktraceur>	 Add the line
[19:05:38] <marktraceur>	 It's very simple
[19:05:56] <marktraceur>	 You need to match it to the table name of the wiki you want
[19:06:20] <Giorgios>	 so if my wiki is http://wikihut.tk/index.php?title=Main_Page
[19:06:23] <Giorgios>	 what do i call it?
[19:07:28] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: jenkins-bot; "Build Successful " [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 1 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12040
[19:08:06] <gustavo_cm>	 Hello there. Quick question (I didn't find the answer at mediawiki.org): from which version MediaWiki recognizes [//www.etc etc] internal links?
[19:08:33] <RoanKattouw>	 You mean protocol-relative links starting with // ?
[19:08:56] <gustavo_cm>	 Yes, I think I mean that. Thanks for teaching me its name.
[19:10:01] <RoanKattouw>	 I added support for that in 1.18 IIRC
[19:10:10] <marktraceur>	 Giorgios: Look at LocalSettings, I think the table name is under $wgDBname
[19:10:22] <marktraceur>	 Someone else should confirm that, I don't know if that's right
[19:10:59] <Giorgios>	 http://prntscr.com/atk56
[19:11:08] <Giorgios>	 the table name was wiki
[19:11:34] <marktraceur>	 Hm, probably not then
[19:11:56] <gustavo_cm>	 RoanKattouw: Well, thank you very much :-) I use eff.org/https-everywhere and was wondering if that change was somehow motivated by providing HTTPS links for some sites or such a thing.
[19:11:59] <marktraceur>	 Giorgios: $wgSitename maybe
[19:12:14] <RoanKattouw>	 Yes, that's exactly why we did it
[19:12:31] <RoanKattouw>	 HTTPSEverywhere should now automatically send you to https for all Wikimedia wikis
[19:12:38] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Aaron Schulz; "[LockManager] Factored QuorumLockManager class out of LSLockManager." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12044
[19:14:11] <Giorgios>	 i get this error
[19:14:14] <Giorgios>	 http://prntscr.com/atkcr
[19:14:46] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: jenkins-bot; "Build Successful " [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 1 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12044
[19:15:10] <marktraceur>	 Giorgios: Well, did you?
[19:15:17] <Giorgios>	 No
[19:15:19] <Giorgios>	 I don't know how to
[19:15:52] <marktraceur>	 Wait, you have some form of web portal access, right? No command line?
[19:16:19] <gustavo_cm>	 o/ Great thing. I wonder if HTTPSEverywhere could somehow (at the server, or with a plugin in, say, Firefox) be integrated with MediaWiki to automatically provide HTTPS links even if the user was using a non-encrypted connection.
[19:16:37] <RoanKattouw>	 That's what it already does, isn't it?
[19:16:39] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Button says "cancel" instead of "OK" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37718 minor; MediaWiki extensions: EducationProgram; (rschnautz)
[19:16:42] <Krinkle>	 gustavo_cm: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki_1.18#Protocol-relative_URLs
[19:16:54] <RoanKattouw>	 If you try to go to http://en.wikiepdia.org and you have HE enabled, it redirects you to https://.... automatically
[19:16:58] <Reedy>	 I suspect he's meaning without HTTPSeverywhere having rules for all sites
[19:17:00] <RoanKattouw>	 That's the entire point of HE
[19:17:01] <gustavo_cm>	 I mean... integrated in the mechanism, so the "newbie" user wouldn't need to have it installed too.
[19:17:09] <RoanKattouw>	 Oh
[19:17:14] <Reedy>	 mw going, "HEY, I HAS HTTPS, USE IT KTX"
[19:17:22] <RoanKattouw>	 Well that would unduly load our HTTPS servers at this point
[19:17:27] <gustavo_cm>	 o/
[19:17:33] <Reedy>	 "our"
[19:17:37] <RoanKattouw>	 The Firefox people asked whether we want them to use https in their search function, and we said no
[19:17:49] <Reedy>	 Doesn't mean he's wanting to do wikipedia etc
[19:17:50] <RoanKattouw>	 Reedy: That exists, it's called STS
[19:18:02] <RoanKattouw>	 Strict-Transport-Security or something
[19:18:08] <Krinkle>	 If you want your own wiki to use https by default, that's perfectly possible. But Wikimedia's servers have it as an option, the canonical urls are http.
[19:18:11] <Krenair>	 <RoanKattouw> HTTPSEverywhere should now automatically send you to https for all Wikimedia wikis
[19:18:14] <Krenair>	 And it labels them as Wikipedia
[19:18:19] <Krenair>	 I should fix that at some point
[19:18:21] <Reedy>	 heh
[19:18:30] <Krinkle>	 Krenair: If you can, please :) 
[19:18:43] <Krinkle>	 Wikimedia is more appropriate since that rulescript it covers much mre
[19:18:44] <Krinkle>	 more*
[19:19:00] <Krinkle>	 perhaps also fix it to exclude etherpad.wikimedia.org
[19:19:15] <Krinkle>	 because the entry works over https, but the app itself breaks on it
[19:19:23] <Reedy>	 It does
[19:19:35] <Reedy>	 etherpad is in the exclusion list
[19:19:39] <Krinkle>	 since when
[19:19:40] <Reedy>	 (in git at least)
[19:19:43] <gustavo_cm>	 Hm, got it. But it would be useful to have a Extension:HTTPSEverywhere using HTTPSEverywhere mechanism to automatically provide valid HTTPS for protocol-relative URLs. (Krinkle, thanks for the link)
[19:19:55] <Reedy>	 <exclusion pattern="^http://(apt|bayes|bayle|brewster|bug-attachment|commonsprototype.tesla.usability|commons.prototype|cs|cz|dataset2|de.prototype|download|dumps|ekrem|emery|en.prototype|ersch|etherpad
[19:20:00] <gustavo_cm>	 (I don't know how to write an extension, though)
[19:20:08] <Krinkle>	 gustavo_cm: That doesn't make any sense to me
[19:20:20] <Krinkle>	 gustavo_cm: If you want to link to https in an article, use https
[19:20:35] <Krinkle>	 if you use // then visitors of your site using https will link to https, and visitors over http go to http
[19:20:39] <Krinkle>	 thats what relative urls do
[19:21:28] <Krinkle>	 gustavo_cm: You don't need HTTPSEverywhere for that, not in the browser, not in the wiki.
[19:21:31] <gustavo_cm>	 Krinkle: I got it. I was talking about helping securing connections for users without any experience with informatics in general.
[19:21:45] <Giorgios>	 marktraceur:
[19:21:52] <Giorgios>	 marktraceur: what do i do next?
[19:22:06] <Krinkle>	 that Firefox/Chrome plugin only makes it so that you automatically opt-in to using https if you access a website over http that supports https.
[19:22:33] <Krinkle>	 gustavo_cm: Forcing visitors to use that defeats the purpose of an opt-in, and website owners will likely not appreciate you doing that
[19:22:56] <Krinkle>	 If their https servers are primary, then they will redirect automatically
[19:23:08] <gustavo_cm>	 Indeed.
[19:23:39] <Krinkle>	 e.g. if you go to GitHub, you're redirects to https. because their https servers are primary, no longer opt-in and no need for a browser extension for that to happen.
[19:23:55] <Krinkle>	 try it: http://github.com :)
[19:24:05] <Krinkle>	 anyway, gtg, brb later
[19:24:12] <Giorgios>	 Hello Yaron
[19:24:13] <gustavo_cm>	 :-) thanks. Bye!
[19:24:41] <Giorgios>	 Is that Yaron from Refereta with Wiki Garden?
[19:25:19] <Pragun>	 I want to contribute to Mediawiki, but I'm a newbie and not entirely sure how it is that I'll go about it.
[19:25:25] <Pragun>	 Can anyone help me out a little please?
[19:25:39] <Giorgios>	 what are you trying to do?
[19:26:19] <Pragun>	 I thought it might be a good idea to try and fix a couple of easy bugs?
[19:26:22] <Yaron>	 Giorgios - hello! Yes.
[19:26:39] <Yaron>	 !annoyinglittlebugs | Pragun
[19:26:40] <Giorgios>	 Yaron I contacted you before about Wiki Garden
[19:26:52] <Pragun>	 I've registered myself on Bugzilla and done a search to look for those annoying little bugs
[19:26:54] <Pragun>	 yeah, those
[19:27:00] <Yaron>	 Oh... a year or two ago?
[19:27:09] <Yaron>	 Pragun - yes, right; I guess the alias no longer works.
[19:27:25] <Giorgios>	 around that time
[19:27:28] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Adamw; "heavy-handed mangle from mastercard, american => mc, amex to match what the queue consumer expects." [mediawiki/extensions/DonationInterface] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12056
[19:27:45] <Pragun>	 I'm sorry if I sound completely noobish, but I don't know where to go from there
[19:28:05] <Pragun>	 I don't have a lot of experience contributing to open source projects
[19:28:11] <Pragun>	 New :/
[19:28:51] <gustavo_cm>	 !annoyinglittlebugs | gustavo_cm
[19:28:58] <gustavo_cm>	 Nothing happened.
[19:30:01] <Krenair>	 Pragun, https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Annoying_little_bugs
[19:30:02] <Reedy>	 Krinkle: https://gitweb.torproject.org/https-everywhere.git/blob/HEAD:/src/chrome/content/rules/Wikipedia.xml
[19:30:31] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Aaron Schulz; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/9858
[19:30:39] <Reedy>	 Krenair: Krinkle: https://github.com/reedy/https-everywhere/commit/d11a0687766d55e48ac6d39803bc8dae629e6b4c
[19:31:17] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Aaron Schulz; "I don't like giving IPs a default block time of indefinite. These needs a bit more thought IMO." [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/10469
[19:31:21] <Krenair>	 ah, okay
[19:31:25] <Krenair>	 was about to do that myself :p
[19:31:45] <Krinkle>	 Reedy: I know the repo, looks like it was added in april: https://gitweb.torproject.org/https-everywhere.git/history/HEAD:/src/chrome/content/rules/Wikipedia.xml
[19:31:50] <Krinkle>	 ah you got the commit already
[19:32:33] <Krinkle>	 Reedy: Looks like you got a touch in it as well: https://gitweb.torproject.org/https-everywhere.git/commitdiff/24b1125b724bb178b184c2180a77f3641ebb215b
[19:32:44] <Krinkle>	 Merge https://github.com/reedy/https-everywhere
[19:32:48] <Reedy>	 Yeah
[19:32:51] <Reedy>	 I fixed a bugzilla issue 
[19:33:18] <Reedy>	 I've just sent an email to teh https-everywhere-rules mailing list asking for it to be pulled in :)
[19:33:27] <Krinkle>	 No I mean earier
[19:33:32] <Reedy>	 Yes, I know
[19:33:36] <Reedy>	 [20:32:55] <Reedy> I fixed a bugzilla issue 
[19:33:39] <Krinkle>	 right
[19:33:45] <Reedy>	 https://github.com/reedy/https-everywhere/commit/6be5cd40a8c0a3934b6273bb782993fdb64275ed
[19:33:47] <Krinkle>	 'Rename Wikipedia ruleset to Wikimedia'
[19:33:48] <Krinkle>	 I see
[19:33:53] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Aaron Schulz; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11585
[19:34:03] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Aaron Schulz; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11585
[19:35:48] <Pragun>	 Krenair, thanks I'm looking through the list right now
[19:36:21] <Juandev>	 hmm, tady se to rozjelo teda
[19:37:35] <gustavo_cm>	 Already fixed in HTTPS-Everywhere 2.1: https://www.eff.org/files/Changelog.txt
[19:37:44] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Amire80; "Patch Set 6 - Added comma list and many more tests." [mediawiki/core] (master) C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11726
[19:39:22] <gustavo_cm>	 "Fixes: [...] Wikipedia [...]" -- though I didn't found the mail in the provided links.
[19:39:32] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Institution pages cannot be viewed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37697  (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[19:39:55] <gustavo_cm>	 So if you just sent the e-mail it wasn't yesterday... sorry.
[19:40:31] <Reedy>	 What's fisxed in 2.1?
[19:41:55] <gustavo_cm>	 (16:33:19) Reedy: I've just sent an email to teh https-everywhere-rules mailing list asking for it to be pulled in :)
[19:42:15] <Reedy>	 No it's not
[19:42:28] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Amire80; "Adding JavaScript CLDR plural parser." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11726
[19:42:32] <gustavo_cm>	 So, I'm sorry. :-)
[19:42:37] <Reedy>	 https://gitweb.torproject.org/https-everywhere.git/blob/HEAD:/src/chrome/content/rules/Wikipedia.xml
[19:42:41] <gustavo_cm>	 I went into mistake.
[19:42:46] <Reedy>	 heh
[19:42:52] <Reedy>	 I'm not going mad at least ;)
[19:44:05] <marktraceur>	 Giorgios: I don't know how to run maintenance scripts from a web portal, someone else might be more helpful
[19:44:06] <gustavo_cm>	 o/
[19:44:19] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Amire80; "Patch Set 7: JSHint cleanups." [mediawiki/core] (master) C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11726
[19:44:39] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: jenkins-bot; "Build Successful " [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 1 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11726
[19:45:27] <chughakshay16>	 hello everyone, a general question -- before amending a change to gerrit why do we need to run git review -d <change-no>... ?
[19:47:34] <chughakshay16>	 Platonides : dere ?
[19:48:53] <chughakshay16>	 mutante : hello, need some help !
[19:49:44] <chughakshay16>	 saper, a general question -- before amending a change to gerrit why do we need to run git review -d <change-no>... ?
[19:50:56] <RoanKattouw>	 chughakshay16: That's to get back to the cahnge
[19:51:26] <chughakshay16>	 RoanKattouw:  but we already have that change in our local copy.. dont we ?
[19:51:53] <saper>	 chughakshay16: yes, you can just "git checkout <change-id>"
[19:52:04] <saper>	 or switch branches
[19:52:13] <saper>	 s,<change-id>,<change-sha1>
[19:52:23] <chughakshay16>	 saper , yes thats exactly what i am saying.. 
[19:52:40] <chughakshay16>	 saper, so there is no need to run git review- d <change-no>... 
[19:52:48] <saper>	 no
[19:52:58] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Aaron Schulz; "[LockManager] Factored QuorumLockManager class out of LSLockManager." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12044
[19:52:59] <saper>	 once you have a commit itself
[19:53:25] <saper>	 you can work in so-called "detached HEAD" or have a local branch for it (git review -d creates a branch for you)
[19:53:27] <RoanKattouw>	 It's just a convenient way of reaching the commit
[19:53:47] <saper>	 RoanKattouw: ... and you need to be online for it :)
[19:53:52] <RoanKattouw>	 Yes
[19:54:37] <chughakshay16>	 saper, even if we dont run git review -d .. we would still be having that branch in our local repo.. right ?
[19:55:09] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: jenkins-bot; "Build Successful " [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 1 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12044
[19:55:20] <saper>	 chughakshay16: yes, check "git branch -vv"
[19:56:24] <Diffen>	 Hello, i have tried to install the Extension:ConfirmAccount in my mediawiki. The problem now is that I cant login again. I get a php error. If you want to check it out here are the link: http://bbi.sytes.net/wiki/index.php/Huvudsida klick the link in the top right corner.
[19:56:37] <Diffen>	 Does anyone have a clue on what i have missed out?
[19:57:26] <chughakshay16>	 saper, yes git branch -v.. it displays all the topic branches i have created in gerrit
[19:57:45] <marktraceur>	 !e ConfirmAccount
[19:57:46] <wm-bot>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ConfirmAccount
[19:58:02] <AaronSchulz>	 Diffen: are you using an old mediawiki version with a new extension version?
[19:58:16] <saper>	 chughakshay16: do you have the change you are interested in there?
[19:58:17] <marktraceur>	 AaronSchulz: 1.15
[19:58:24] <marktraceur>	 (mw version)
[19:58:26] <chughakshay16>	 saper , yes..
[19:58:31] <saper>	 good
[19:58:57] <Diffen>	 Aaron im using the 1.8 version of the extension. How do I see the version of the Mediawiki? I just installed it using the package installer in an ubuntu 10.x
[19:59:05] <chughakshay16>	 saper, so it means i can move into that branch .. make the changes and re-submit the patch( but this time i should make an amend)..
[19:59:15] <AaronSchulz>	 Diffen: Special:Version
[19:59:40] <marktraceur>	 AaronSchulz: Diffen 1.15
[19:59:43] <Diffen>	 Hmmm that was old
[19:59:44] <Diffen>	 Yes
[20:00:18] <chughakshay16>	 saper, your one yes would clear all my doubts .. :)
[20:01:12] <saper>	 chughakshay16: yes, just switch to that branch and amend the change, then push
[20:01:32] <chughakshay16>	 saper, ty..
[20:08:23] <Diffen>	 Thanks guys it works perfectly when i removed 1.8 extension and added 1.5 extension instead.
[20:08:41] <Reedy>	 o_0
[20:09:22] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: John Erling Blad; "This does not generate the previous error condition, and it does not give errors on the Wikibase gro..." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12025
[20:11:06] <Pragun>	 Is there a step by step tutorial of some kind which shows you how to go about fixing bugs?
[20:11:23] <Pragun>	 I've read the list and all, I need to move forward from there
[20:12:05] <joancreus>	 !git
[20:12:05] <wm-bot>	 MediaWiki development is using git, a distributed source control manager, starting on March 21st, 2012; details: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Git_happens Instructions for using it: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Git/Workflow  To get an account: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Project:Labsconsole_accounts
[20:12:23] <joancreus>	 this might help Pragun in regards to git workflow
[20:12:33] <joancreus>	 you need to configure a little bit git
[20:12:34] <Diffen>	 Is it possible to edit the Special:RequestAccount page?
[20:12:43] <joancreus>	 for the rest, happy hacking :)
[20:13:24] <Pragun>	 Thanks!
[20:13:35] <Pragun>	 I'll read through that and see where it takes me :)
[20:17:00] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: MarkTraceur; "Remove the hackish method of parsing HTML to WikiText" [mediawiki/extensions/EtherEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12094
[20:17:30] <Reedy>	 grr, why won't gerrit let me look at a larger list of my own commits?
[20:18:20] <Lcawte>	 Quoting some other developer, not my own opinion, well, not 100%... "Gerrit sucks"
[20:18:26] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Matthias Mullie; "do away with the fallback talk page link" [mediawiki/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12095
[20:18:28] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: MarkTraceur; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/EtherEditor] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12094
[20:18:29] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: MarkTraceur; [mediawiki/extensions/EtherEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12094
[20:21:58] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: John Erling Blad; "Updated the agent to use of Http::get, and with additional changes." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12096
[20:23:43] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Yaron Koren; "3rd attempt at a Git commit" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticForms] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12097
[20:24:33] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: MarkTraceur; "Added readme, for installation instructions" [mediawiki/extensions/EtherEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12098
[20:24:34] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Matthias Mullie; "do away with the fallback talk page link" [mediawiki/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12095
[20:24:45] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) MediaWiki needs a sane notification system (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/32281  +comment (10MZMcBride)
[20:24:56] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: MarkTraceur; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/EtherEditor] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12098
[20:24:57] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: MarkTraceur; [mediawiki/extensions/EtherEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12098
[20:25:24] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Jeroen De Dauw; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticForms] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12097
[20:25:26] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Jeroen De Dauw; [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticForms] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12097
[20:28:28] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: QChris; "fixed bug 37458: permission errors running BaseDumpTest on Windows" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12099
[20:30:29] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: jenkins-bot; "Build Successful " [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 1 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12099
[20:30:45] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Catrope; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12095
[20:30:47] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Catrope; [mediawiki/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12095
[20:30:51] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Adamw; "back out the mangling and just change card type names in all the forms" [mediawiki/extensions/DonationInterface] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12100
[20:34:14] <varnent>	 so is anyone else having funky problems with Collection extension?
[20:34:24] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Matthias Mullie; "Update ArticleFeedbackv5 to master" [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.20wmf5) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12101
[20:34:40] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Matthias Mullie; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.20wmf5); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12101
[20:34:47] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Matthias Mullie; [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.20wmf5) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12101
[20:38:40] <Reedy>	 varnent: elabourate?
[20:39:45] <varnent>	 Reedy: I've tried on four different wikis which run on two totally different server configurations - and they use the PediaPress render server - but on all of them go to any random page and try to Download as PDF - you get the same render server error
[20:40:06] <saper>	 varnent: maybe it's down?
[20:40:14] <varnent>	 saper: been this way for a few weeks now
[20:40:23] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Adamw; "change card type labels in all the forms to match what the queue consumer expects." [mediawiki/extensions/DonationInterface] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12102
[20:40:33] <gerrit-wm>	 Change abandoned: Adamw; "aaaa" [mediawiki/extensions/DonationInterface] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12100
[20:40:35] <varnent>	 saper: I wasn't paying super close attn to that extension - but possibly since 1.19
[20:40:45] <saper>	 varnent: which version of collection ext? I did patch it for something recently
[20:40:50] <gerrit-wm>	 Change abandoned: Adamw; "b" [mediawiki/extensions/DonationInterface] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12056
[20:40:59] <varnent>	 redownloaded it last night from git
[20:41:26] <varnent>	 http://www.wikiqueer.org/w/California_Harvey_Milk_Day - try the Download as PDF - same error on other three wikis
[20:41:35] <saper>	 checking with my wiki w8
[20:41:58] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Detected bug in an extension! Hook efCategoryTreeParserOutput failed to return a value - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37720  04CRIT->normal; +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[20:42:40] <varnent>	 I tried checking the API, script path and render server login credential settings - no luck
[20:43:30] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) mw.Api ajax() should put token parameter last - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35727  15enhancement->minor; summary (10Krinkle)
[20:43:31] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Krinkle; "(bug 35727) mw.Api ajax() should put token parameter last." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11738
[20:43:37] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Krinkle; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11738
[20:43:51] <saper>	 varnent: worked for me last time https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Thread:Extension_talk:Collection/Interest_in_or_objection_to_option_disabling_use_of_PediaPress/reply_(8)
[20:43:59] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Krinkle; "Rebased and addressed issues in the comments." [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11738
[20:44:26] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Detected bug in an extension! Hook efCategoryTreeParserOutput failed to return a value - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37720  (10msanchezt)
[20:44:37] <saper>	 varnent: do you get icons displayed w/Collection Ext?
[20:45:08] <varnent>	 saper: ?? - right now I'm not getting anything with the extension except errors  :)
[20:45:34] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: jenkins-bot; "Build Successful " [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 1 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11738
[20:45:43] <varnent>	 saper: disabling PediaPress option worked last time? not sure what you meant by that reply working
[20:45:54] <saper>	 varnent: http://tools.wikimedia.pl/trunk/wiki/Specjalna:Wersja this works for me
[20:46:44] <varnent>	 saper: not sure - like I said - tried on two different servers running unrelated wikis - same error..
[20:47:17] <varnent>	 saper: I don't get the error on all wikis - but some
[20:48:57] <saper>	 varnent: HTTP connectivity problems?
[20:49:27] <varnent>	 saper: maybe - but from totally different servers in different data centers, everything - plus what's the solution?
[20:49:58] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Yaron Koren; "Fixed creation of dates array when 'template' param is used" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticResultFormats] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12103
[20:50:42] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: John Erling Blad; "This does not generate the previous error condition, and it does not give errors on the Wikibase gro..." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12096
[20:51:51] <saper>	    Note that the MediaWiki must be accessible from the render server, i.e. if
[20:51:51] <saper>	    your MediaWiki is behind a firewall you cannot use the public render server.
[20:51:56] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: MarkTraceur; "Hide other format bars, and delete only after others have left" [mediawiki/extensions/EtherEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12104
[20:52:05] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Krinkle; "Use https in wgExtensionCredits url to mediawiki.org" [mediawiki/extensions/MoodBar] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12105
[20:52:12] <saper>	 tried using local rendering? I would check webserver logs if PediaPress can hit you
[20:52:17] <varnent>	 saper: it wasn't a problem before
[20:52:21] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: MarkTraceur; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/EtherEditor] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12104
[20:52:24] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: MarkTraceur; [mediawiki/extensions/EtherEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12104
[20:52:42] <varnent>	 saper: it was working about a couple months ago - nothing changed with our firewall
[20:52:44] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Krinkle; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/MoodBar] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12105
[20:52:47] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Krinkle; [mediawiki/extensions/MoodBar] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12105
[20:53:11] <varnent>	 saper: I could do local rendering - but not particularly eager to install it on multiple servers having this randomly new issue that wasn't there before
[20:53:37] <varnent>	 saper: if it had never worked for us - that would be one thing - but this is a new problem
[20:53:51] <saper>	 seems to me like a network/firewall problem
[20:55:23] <varnent>	 saper: that seems unlikely to me - again - from two totally different data centers run by totally different hosting companies with wikis that worked about a month ago? what are the odds they would both make random firewall changes that would suddenly disable access to the pediapress server that wasn't there before?  I think it's in the code or the PediaPress server
[20:55:55] <DarKnight2012>	 I'm using MW 1.19.0 and just installed WYSIWYG 1.7.0_1. I got this errror: "Call to undefined method Parser::strip()"
[20:56:05] <saper>	 varnent: tools.wikimedia.pl 82.74.194.195 - - [19/Jun/2012:22:48:15 +0200] "GET /trunk/w/load.php?debug=false&lang=pl&modules=startup&only=scripts&skin=vector&* HTTP/1tools.wikimedia.pl 178.63.56.242 - - [19/Jun/2012:22:47:00 +0200] "POST /trunk/w/api.php HTTP/1.1" 200 165 "-" "Python-urllib/2.7" VLOG=-
[20:56:06] <DarKnight2012>	 any suggestion how to fix it please?
[20:56:18] <Platonides>	 is there a newer version of WYSIWYG extension?
[20:56:38] <DarKnight2012>	 I think it's the latest one I got
[20:56:39] <saper>	 varnent: tools.wikimedia.pl 178.63.56.242 - - [19/Jun/2012:22:47:00 +0200] "POST /trunk/w/api.php HTTP/1.1" 200 165 "-" "Python-urllib/2.7" 
[20:56:48] <saper>	 varnent: that's where it comes from
[20:56:59] <Platonides>	 http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:WYSIWYG says it's for mediawiki 1.16.x and 1.17.x only
[20:57:10] <varnent>	 saper: no clue what you're talking about - did you see the error I mentioned or visit the wikis I was trying it at?
[20:57:23] <saper>	 varnent: no, I tested on my local install
[20:57:50] <DarKnight2012>	 Platonides: :( thanks
[20:58:19] <varnent>	 saper: okay - but doesn't help me much though  :)  I already knew it was working on some wikis and not on others
[20:58:21] <saper>	 varnent: so I can confirm that pediapress server works as advertised right now :(
[20:58:42] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Jeroen De Dauw; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticResultFormats] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12103
[20:58:43] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Jeroen De Dauw; [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticResultFormats] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12103
[20:58:43] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Anomie; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11738
[20:58:44] <varnent>	 saper: on some wikis - but not others - and there does seem to be some non-server-side link is what I'm trying to point out
[20:58:55] <saper>	 varnent: I would recommend to check HTTP server logs if your wiki is reached by 178.63.56.242, if not - sniff the traffic if possible
[20:59:02] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Anomie; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/core] (master) C: 1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11738
[20:59:09] <varnent>	 saper: if this was one wiki or just one server - but I can replicate it on fresh servers and fresh wiki
[20:59:35] <saper>	 "fresh servers" on the same network?
[20:59:41] <varnent>	 no - separate networks
[20:59:46] <varnent>	 in separate countries
[20:59:48] <varnent>	 with separate hosts
[20:59:56] <saper>	 so you have HTTP logs I'm sure for them?
[21:00:04] <saper>	 can you grep them for 178.63.56.242 ?
[21:00:14] <varnent>	 saper: I can't on the client's servers - I can on mine
[21:00:30] <saper>	 on any non-working server
[21:00:37] <varnent>	 saper: I'm going to fiddle around a bit more - none of the firewall testing or checking I've been doing over the past couple weeks has turned up any problems
[21:01:04] <varnent>	 saper: but I can check them again - just running a test on a few other wikis on totally different servers
[21:01:42] <saper>	 just check the logs to make user HTTP goes through
[21:01:59] <varnent>	 I have in the past and it does - will check again in a few minutes on the recent tests
[21:02:59] <saper>	 varnent: I can't ping www.wikiqueer.org but traceroute suggests RTT ~ 300ms from here in Germany
[21:03:51] <saper>	 ok with IPv4 it's slightly better
[21:03:52] <saper>	 --- www.wikiqueer.org ping statistics ---
[21:03:52] <saper>	 6 packets transmitted, 6 packets received, 0.0% packet loss
[21:03:52] <saper>	 round-trip min/avg/max/stddev = 168.748/169.524/170.953/0.742 ms
[21:04:03] <varnent>	 at this point I'm more inclined to find a new extension solution - found a few more 3rd party wikis on other servers this is also happening to as of recently
[21:04:11] <saper>	 on the browser it feels slow
[21:04:32] <varnent>	 wiki.gregoryvarnum.com is a test wiki on another server doing the same thing
[21:04:39] <saper>	 I would recommend anyway to determine the cause of the problem
[21:05:24] <saper>	 this is one is better, can you check the logs there?
[21:05:27] <varnent>	 saper: I would like to - but it doesn't seem to be on my side - and it being on multiple wikis on multiple servers on sites that worked okay a few weeks ago implies to me it's extension code or API code problem and not a server problem
[21:05:43] <varnent>	 saper: no - it's a client's server and the host locks their logs
[21:06:27] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Aaron Schulz; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11828
[21:06:29] <saper>	 varnent: I don't know, it does not seem to me that pediapress is using IPv6 for example
[21:06:30] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Aaron Schulz; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11828
[21:06:33] <varnent>	 we've been fiddling with this off and on for a few weeks..so..
[21:07:05] <varnent>	 lol - so at this point I'm ready to throw the PediaPress solution out the window and try something new
[21:07:28] <saper>	 varnent, please, we can't be guessing all the time. I would start with a sniffer and HTTP logs. If you can't have them, maybe MediaWiki debug logs.
[21:07:54] <varnent>	 saper: I'll go through the WQ logs in a bit - testing out an idea right now
[21:08:07] <DarKnight2012>	 If I need to add a textbox to the edit page, should I go edit EditPage.php or is there any hook for that?
[21:08:09] <saper>	 wikiqueer.org seems to be very slow to me (casual browsing)
[21:08:43] <varnent>	 saper: okay..anyway..the logs don't indicate much that the error displayed doesn't already tell me
[21:08:59] <saper>	 varnent: which logs?
[21:09:04] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Aaron Schulz; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11827
[21:09:06] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Aaron Schulz; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11827
[21:09:12] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: MarkTraceur; "Fix some bugs in the saveComplete code" [mediawiki/extensions/EtherEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12110
[21:09:18] <varnent>	 mw logs starting with - going to check the error and php logs
[21:09:27] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: MarkTraceur; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/EtherEditor] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12110
[21:09:29] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: MarkTraceur; [mediawiki/extensions/EtherEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12110
[21:09:47] <saper>	 varnent: got POST requests from PediaPress in MW log via API?
[21:10:12] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Aaron Schulz; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11727
[21:10:15] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Aaron Schulz; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11727
[21:11:12] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Aaron Schulz; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/Scribunto] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11717
[21:13:32] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Aaron Schulz; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/CentralAuth] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/7351
[21:14:08] <varnent>	 saper: not that I see
[21:14:45] <saper>	 I don't get any error on http://www.wikiqueer.org/index.php5?title=Special:Book&bookcmd=rendering&return_to=California+Harvey+Milk+Day&collection_id=14a1a8ef52fb008e&writer=rl except that it's stuck at 1.00% and the whole wiki is painfully slow
[21:15:32] <saper>	 you should see me (2001:6a0:200:121::2) in the log
[21:16:06] <varnent>	 okay - but speed and this extension working never made a difference before - lol - so I'm not sure why the wiki's speed matters  :/
[21:17:00] <saper>	 it matters because POST request from PediaPress is larger than normal and it takes time to deliver. They may just simply time out after 20 seconds or so.
[21:17:25] <varnent>	 that hasn't been a problem before or on other wikis..
[21:17:52] <saper>	 varnent: I do really want to help you. Please, could you be less dismissive?
[21:18:44] <Edgard_WikiRio>	  can you guys recommend a person that doesn mediawiki upgrades?
[21:19:11] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Krinkle; "@Siebrand: See bug for discussion." [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11949
[21:19:13] <varnent>	 saper: I'm not trying to be dismissive - but it'd be helpful to focus on the problem and not critique unrelated issues or focus on one aspect
[21:19:46] <saper>	 varnent: of course they are related... we need to check the logs to eliminate networking if that's not the issue.
[21:20:08] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Krinkle; "@SPQRobin: Not for each language indeed. But it should use interface language, not content language...." [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11949
[21:20:21] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Krinkle; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11949
[21:20:36] <saper>	 varnent: ok, I am stuck at wikiqueer.org at the above URL at 1.00%. What error message should I receive?
[21:20:45] <varnent>	 whoops - sorry - Internet gave out - darn weather  :/
[21:20:46] <varnent>	 lol - why hot humid weather and my ISP don't get alone is..well anywa
[21:20:50] <varnent>	 try it on wiki.gregoryvarnum.com
[21:20:52] <saper>	 Edgard_WikiRio: we can help you here maybe, can you be more specific?
[21:21:03] <varnent>	 that's on a server not doing stress testing right now so should be faster
[21:22:35] <saper>	 varnent: can you help me how to create a book on wiki.gregoryvarnum.com?
[21:22:51] <varnent>	 saper: you shouldn't need to create a book to be able to download the homepage as a pdf
[21:22:53] <Edgard_WikiRio>	 saper: i need to upgrade mediawiki from 1.16 to 1.19. mediawiki and its extensions. my host is hostgator (if it makes a difference)
[21:24:09] <varnent>	 saper: http://wiki.gregoryvarnum.com/index.php?title=Special:Book&bookcmd=rendering&return_to=Main+Page&collection_id=276bad5cc679d168&writer=rl
[21:24:28] <saper>	 ok got the error
[21:27:19] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Krinkle; "This is not a later version of the plugin, this is a completely different plugin:" [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11356
[21:28:18] <saper>	 varnent: AssertionError: no wikiconf for None (&lt;article {'_env': &lt;mwlib.wiki.Environment object at 0x1d8d6d0&gt;, 'content_type': u'text/x-wiki', 'title': u'Main Page', 'timestamp': u'1325800496', 'type': 'article', 'revision': u'1'}&gt;)
[21:28:22] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Aaron Schulz; "This changes a lot of code for a single feature. We are going to overhaul our notification system so..." [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: -2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11739
[21:28:50] <varnent>	 saper: not sure what that means - but glad it might have given you an indication  :)
[21:29:15] <DanielRenfro>	 Cheers developers
[21:29:30] <varnent>	 hey there Daniel
[21:29:37] <saper>	 Edgard_WikiRio: ok do you want to do it yourself or do you need somebody to do it for you?
[21:29:57] <DanielRenfro>	 \me waves 
[21:30:02] <DanielRenfro>	 oops
[21:30:03] <saper>	 varnent: most probably, it cannot guess configuration of your wiki (maybe api.php entry point, I don't know)
[21:30:15] <varnent>	 saper: hmm
[21:30:16] <saper>	 you are using some form of Short_URL
[21:30:23] <varnent>	 saper: yes
[21:31:19] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Aaron Schulz; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/10443
[21:31:23] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Aaron Schulz; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/10443
[21:31:43] <DanielRenfro>	 http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:RequestContext states "Parser functions and hooks should not be accessing request context data."  
[21:31:44] <varnent>	 saper: so it might be our nagios config file is not directing it properly?
[21:31:46] <saper>	 varnent: so it's a different problem than that one for wikiqueer.org
[21:31:49] <DanielRenfro>	 How do a get the contextual OutputPage object from the parser (analogous to $wgOut)?
[21:32:27] <DanielRenfro>	 s/How do a/How do I/g
[21:32:52] <varnent>	 saper: the errors on my screen show the same - WQ doesn't stop at 1% for me
[21:34:02] <Reedy>	 DanielRenfro: you can't/don't/shouldn't AFAIK
[21:34:08] <RoanKattouw>	 No, you don't
[21:34:10] <RoanKattouw>	 Use ParserOutput instead
[21:34:30] <saper>	 varnent: 1% means that there is *some* communication with PP; wiki.gregoryvarnum.com fails way before that
[21:34:58] <varnent>	 WQ fails way before that for me sometimes and other times it does not
[21:35:15] <varnent>	 same on GV.com - I can get the 1% screen sometimes before the error and other times not
[21:35:16] <gutis89>	 guys
[21:35:29] <varnent>	 not if I create a book on WQ - but if I export from an article directly
[21:35:39] <gutis89>	 whats your opinion about Port Arthur Massacre?
[21:35:52] <DanielRenfro>	 ParserOutput is great, but it won't add an inline style to the page. Maybe a little background is in order:
[21:36:36] <DanielRenfro>	 I've been tasked with creating an extension that renders Excel files in a wiki page (i know i know...don't ask why)
[21:36:51] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: GWicke; "Wikitext escaping and quite complete source range tracking" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11995
[21:36:54] <varnent>	 lol - good luck with that  :p
[21:37:05] <DanielRenfro>	 I can render it fine, but I get a combo of HTML (which is great) and CSS (which needs to go into $wgOut->addInlineStyles() )
[21:37:27] <varnent>	 DR: a request for that new listserv is pending btw - should be ready before Wikimania
[21:37:37] <saper>	 varnent: I did try a direct PDF export
[21:38:00] <DanielRenfro>	 varnent: whoopie! btw, I've started consuming more Mediawiki.org/Signpost
[21:38:11] <DanielRenfro>	 varnent: which has helped keep me up to date
[21:38:29] <varnent>	 DR: excellent - I added links to it from the communications page and placed that back in sidebar on MW.org to help direct folks there
[21:38:39] <varnent>	 saper: I'm going to turn off short-urls on the gv wiki
[21:38:58] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Krinkle; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11738
[21:39:28] * Reedy  kicks wikibugs

[21:40:34] <Danny_B|backup>	 poor wikibugs
[21:41:14] <varnent>	 saper: you may be on to something there - getting rid of short-urls works for gv.com - let me play around with the wq nagios settings (gv uses htaccess)
[21:41:40] <DanielRenfro>	 Reedy: what is the prefered way to add CSS to a page from a tag extension. Or are they (tag extensions) limited to rendering/producing HTML text only?
[21:41:41] <varnent>	 saper: so now the question is how to make it work with the short-urls enabled  :)
[21:42:46] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Subramanya Sastry; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11995
[21:42:50] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Subramanya Sastry; [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11995
[21:42:53] <saper>	 varnent: can you show me wiki.gregoryvarnum.com LocalSettings.php?
[21:43:12] <saper>	 ah
[21:43:33] <saper>	 so you have solved the wiki.gregoryvarnum.com problem? since it looks different now
[21:43:40] <saper>	 (redirect me to /wiki/ and stuff)
[21:44:53] <varnent>	 saper: not solved - just playing
[21:45:10] <saper>	 looking at the PP error message (and the code): it is a convoluted way of saying "cannot figure out how your MediaWiki installation is configured"
[21:46:08] <saper>	 PP first asks my wikis about configuration: GET /trunk/w/api.php?action=query&meta=siteinfo&siprop=general|namespaces|interwikimap|namespacealiases|magicwords|rightsinfo&format=json HTTP/1.1
[21:47:48] <saper>	 that might be the problem with your other wikis as well (except for www.wikiqueer.org, maybe)
[21:50:05] <varnent>	 disabling short-url fixes Wikiqueer - so it's the issue there as well
[21:51:04] <varnent>	 saper: it looks like it's a URL rewriting issue or short-url config issue - not sure why it wasn't a problem a month ago - none of these configs for that have changed..hmm
[21:52:32] <DanielRenfro>	 \me is out for the night
[21:52:36] <Reedy>	 DanielRenfro: simplest way is like $parser->getOutput()->addModuleStyles( 'ext.geshi.local' );
[21:52:56] <DanielRenfro>	 oops, wrong window. Ignore that ^
[21:53:05] <varnent>	 saper: http://dpaste.com/761373/
[21:53:45] <DanielRenfro>	 Reedy: good to know, but my CSS is generated dynamically. (I definitely will need addModulesStyles() in the near future, though.)
[21:54:25] <Reedy>	 DanielRenfro: you can add stuff straight into <head>
[21:55:24] <Reedy>	 that extension does $output->addHeadItem( "source-$lang", self::buildHeadItem( $geshi ) );
[21:55:28] <DanielRenfro>	 Reedy: Ah, with addHeadItem()
[21:55:30] <DanielRenfro>	 yeah
[21:55:50] <DanielRenfro>	 I'll look at the geshi ext then
[21:56:06] <Reedy>	 should at least get you somewhere near
[21:57:23] <DanielRenfro>	 Reedy: that helps out a lot... I was lost (a rare but fatal occurance.)
[21:57:48] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Mwjames; "(bug 37724) tagcloud, add extra class support" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticResultFormats] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12112
[21:58:21] <varnent>	 saper: so from what I can tell - for some reason in the past couple months - collection has become hostile to the idea of housing your files in root - or rather it's hostile to the script path being blank
[22:00:30] <varnent>	 saper: it's related to this issue - https://github.com/pediapress/Collection/issues/1
[22:01:55] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Aaron Schulz; "Removed half-assed $wgDBtransactions global." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12113
[22:02:36] <DanielRenfro>	 varnent: I've come across this too, years ago. The fix was to use a virtualhost/mod_rewrite and put the wiki under a "wiki" subdirectory.
[22:03:11] <DanielRenfro>	 varnent: but not with Collection...
[22:03:22] <varnent>	 DR: moving the files sounds like a lot of work  :)  there's a work-around to change the code for collection that I'm trying
[22:03:28] <varnent>	 DR:
[22:03:30] <varnent>	 DR: https://github.com/pediapress/Collection/issues/1
[22:04:09] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: jenkins-bot; "Build Successful " [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 1 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12113
[22:04:30] <varnent>	 DR: saper was our hero in finding that as the root cause  :)
[22:04:32] <saper>	 varnent: possibly, yes
[22:04:40] <DanielRenfro>	 go saper!
[22:05:51] <saper>	 but WQ is slow as hell here in Germany
[22:06:17] <varnent>	 saper: that doesn't surprise me right now - should be better soon
[22:06:49] <varnent>	 saper: we're stateside on the west coast - and they're doing stress tests on the server - plus we don't have the European nodebalancer online right now :(
[22:07:23] <saper>	 it's something with Hurricane Electric connectivity to me
[22:07:37] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Jeroen De Dauw; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticResultFormats] (master); V: 0 C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12112
[22:07:39] <saper>	 but load is certainly a factor, yes
[22:08:32] <varnent>	 saper: it's a problem - not sure it was a factor in this issue - which has been around for weeks and doesn't seem to improve when things at the host are going stellar
[22:09:46] <saper>	 it certainly adds randomness to the issue - "sometimes works sometimes does not"
[22:11:47] <varnent>	 saper: maybe - but that wouldn't explain why gv wiki wasn't working or why directory changing solves things
[22:12:34] <varnent>	 saper: reading notes from the developers - something in the MW API changed that makes it harder for the extension to detect a wider range of settings - it appears that's the source of the issue
[22:12:42] <varnent>	 lol - maybe
[22:13:02] <varnent>	 it works on one wiki - need to play around with the beta wikis to see if that solves it elsewhere - might just be step one in solving it  :)
[22:17:51] <saper>	 varnent: yeah; I'm using plain $wgScriptPath = "/w"; $wgArticlePath = "/wiki/$1"; setup almost everywhere that's why it WORKSFORME
[22:18:08] <varnent>	 saper: cool - doesn't work for me  :)
[22:22:26] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Hoo man; "Shouldn't this right be added to $mCoreRights in includes / User.php as well?" [mediawiki/core] (master) C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/10458
[22:23:58] <saper>	 varnent: "stick with the Wikimedia setup and you'll never get hurt" is the mantra
[22:24:19] <varnent>	 saper: do what the client wants or needs to get my paycheck is mine  :)
[22:24:29] <varnent>	 saper: although with WQ I have flexibility - other ones..less so
[22:24:51] <saper>	 EYOURCONFIGURATIONISNOTSUPPORTED
[22:25:06] <varnent>	 saper: and I gave up trying to convince clients when they were wrong on things like this awhile ago..saves me tons on stress-reducing meds
[22:25:42] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Katie Horn; "Couple tewaks to the IP velocity filter: Gets rid of a warning, and allows the failure duration to go longer than the detechion threshold." [mediawiki/extensions/DonationInterface] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12116
[22:26:20] <saper>	 strange you negotiate URLs, except for TimBL's "cool URIs do not change", but well
[22:26:53] <saper>	 off to learn another programming language
[22:27:27] <varnent>	 have fun  :)
[22:27:57] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Pgehres; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/DonationInterface] (master) C: 1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12116
[22:30:34] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: MarkTraceur; "Add an extra config variable for backend API calls" [mediawiki/extensions/EtherEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12117
[22:30:48] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: MarkTraceur; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/EtherEditor] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12117
[22:30:50] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: MarkTraceur; [mediawiki/extensions/EtherEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12117
[22:31:21] <Betacommand>	 !upgrade
[22:31:22] <wm-bot>	 http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Upgrading
[22:31:57] <varnent>	 saper: it's fixed - solution was to put URL in $wgScriptPath rather than leave it as "" - works on WQ and elsewhere again - ty for finding the root cause  :)
[22:33:32] <saper>	 wonder how many things break with such $wgScriptPath :)
[22:33:42] <varnent>	 saper: I'll let you know  :)
[22:33:51] <varnent>	 saper: we're doing some testing now - so far so good
[22:34:36] <varnent>	 saper: pages load okay - most extension tests are passing - collection works fully again
[22:34:47] <varnent>	 saper: will know later tonight for sure
[22:36:22] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: GWicke; "Clean up sHref handling a bit" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12118
[22:39:51] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Subramanya Sastry; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12118
[22:39:55] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Subramanya Sastry; [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12118
[22:41:22] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Katie Horn; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/DonationInterface] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/9657
[22:41:24] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Katie Horn; [mediawiki/extensions/DonationInterface] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/9657
[22:45:51] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: MarkTraceur; "Convert to new config name" [mediawiki/extensions/EtherEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12119
[22:46:07] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: MarkTraceur; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/EtherEditor] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12119
[22:46:09] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: MarkTraceur; [mediawiki/extensions/EtherEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12119
[22:47:53] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Krinkle; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11738
[22:47:56] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Krinkle; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11738
[22:49:01] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Nullspoon; "Thanks so much for all your suggestions so far. This is my first attempted contribution to the media..." [mediawiki/core] (master) C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11137
[23:03:08] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: SPQRobin; "@Krinkle: Using either wgLang or wgContLang do not make any difference at all here. Even then, the l..." [mediawiki/core] (master) C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11949
[23:04:35] <Krinkle>	 SPQRobin: What do you mean, does not make a difference? Why would it not?
[23:04:44] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Katie Horn; "There are a couple tests we need to change too (and some comments), but this is clearly an improvement." [mediawiki/extensions/DonationInterface] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12102
[23:04:46] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Katie Horn; [mediawiki/extensions/DonationInterface] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12102
[23:05:17] <SPQRobin>	 Krinkle: ucfirst is ucfirst, it doesn't matter which object you're using
[23:05:24] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Waldir; "(bug 23427) PAGEID magic word" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/9858
[23:05:44] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: jenkins-bot; "Build Failed " [mediawiki/core] (master); V: -1 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/9858
[23:07:23] <SPQRobin>	 Krinkle: the patch uses wgContLang->ucfirst(), if I change it to wgLang->ucfirst() it will still be the same
[23:07:48] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Robmoen; "Move action.watch to a more suitable place and expose updateWatchLink method in mw.page.watch.  Update method to toggle watch, unwatch list item id attribute." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12123
[23:09:09] <Max252B>	 Hello. Is there any way to display seconds everywhere on a wiki without using the ISO 8601 option?
[23:09:22] <Max252B>	 For example - 16:12:34, 15 January 2001 - (ISO 8601 would show 2001-01-15T16:12:34 which is not aesthetic at all)
[23:09:35] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: jenkins-bot; "Build Successful " [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 1 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12123
[23:10:55] <Krinkle>	 SPQRobin: Oh, I see.
[23:11:03] <Krinkle>	 SPQRobin: Hm.. is ucfirst the same in all languages?
[23:11:56] <SPQRobin>	 Krinkle: Only Turkic languages customised it for the "i", but none of those languages names start with an i.
[23:12:32] <robla>	 wow...vector zooms really poorly in Chrome (not tested in other browsers)
[23:12:32] <Krinkle>	 Indic ? Italian?
[23:12:34] <Krinkle>	 Or are those lower case
[23:12:37] <Krinkle>	 upper case*
[23:12:43] <Krinkle>	 anyway, seems like a fragile dependency.
[23:12:54] <Krinkle>	 If we're using ucfirst it should be the user language Language object imho
[23:14:34] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Katie Horn; "Couple tewaks to the IP velocity filter: Gets rid of a warning, and allows the failure duration to go longer than the detechion threshold." [mediawiki/extensions/DonationInterface] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12116
[23:15:05] <SPQRobin>	 Hmm, yeah, I didn't think of wgContLang being a Turkic language, which would then affect e.g. italian
[23:17:17] <SPQRobin>	 Krinkle: I think it makes sense to use the object of English, to avoid the "i" problem
[23:18:13] <SPQRobin>	 Krinkle: or we could still use :first-letter { text-transform: capitalize; }
[23:18:23] <Krinkle>	 indeed
[23:18:34] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Pgehres; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/DonationInterface] (master) C: 1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12116
[23:19:17] <Krinkle>	 SPQRobin: Only turkish users would see that, and for them it probably makes sense to see the uppercase i in their language, just like the word "Toolbox" (if it would start with an i) will start with a turkish I for a turkish user, already.
[23:19:55] <Krinkle>	 https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=37705#c4
[23:20:08] <waldir_>	 hi all! I need a little help figuring out why jenkins says tests failed on https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/9858/
[23:21:23] <Reedy>	 23:05:42  + git merge FETCH_HEAD
[23:21:23] <Reedy>	 23:05:42  Auto-merging RELEASE-NOTES-1.20
[23:21:23] <Reedy>	 23:05:42  CONFLICT (content): Merge conflict in RELEASE-NOTES-1.20
[23:21:23] <Reedy>	 23:05:42  Auto-merging includes/parser/Parser.php
[23:21:23] <Reedy>	 23:05:42  Auto-merging languages/messages/MessagesEn.php
[23:21:25] <Reedy>	 23:05:42  Automatic merge failed; fix conflicts and then commit the result.
[23:21:27] <Reedy>	 needs rebasing
[23:21:38] <waldir_>	 clicking the link says no tests were run, and running phpunit.php locally tells me "OK, but incomplete or skipped tests!", but I can't interpret its output to figure out whether it's the same thing Jenkins is complaining about
[23:21:50] <Reedy>	 Console output, as above
[23:21:57] <Reedy>	 it's complaining about the release notes
[23:22:54] <waldir_>	 ah, yes, I believe I forgot that step :/
[23:24:06] <waldir_>	 er... so how do I fix the conflicts?
[23:24:17] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Katie Horn; "Just for the merge" [mediawiki/extensions/DonationInterface] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12116
[23:24:19] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Katie Horn; [mediawiki/extensions/DonationInterface] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12116
[23:24:32] <Reedy>	 checkout the change, git rebase origin
[23:24:42] <Reedy>	 git comit -a --amend
[23:24:46] <Reedy>	 git review -R
[23:25:37] <waldir_>	 thanks, let me try
[23:25:38] <SPQRobin>	 Krinkle: I'm don't think displaying e.g. İtaliano (with Turkic İ) would be good
[23:26:15] <Krinkle>	 Why not? Wouldn't it be the same if written by a turkish user in a newspaper headline?
[23:26:41] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Subramanya Sastry; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12032
[23:26:42] <SPQRobin>	 Well, it's a native name, so I suppose it should be in the native spelling
[23:26:43] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Subramanya Sastry; [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12032
[23:27:06] <Krinkle>	 Probably "git rebase master" instead of "git rebase origin" (or "git rebase gerrit" at least)
[23:27:49] <Krinkle>	 SPQRobin: but it is displayed as part of a localized interface, the way the user would read it in his/her language.
[23:27:57] <Krinkle>	 It is a complicated issue.
[23:28:26] <Krinkle>	 We could just go ahead and update the call to pass $inLanguage, that would solve it.
[23:28:41] <Krinkle>	 (and then the user language uc-first just in case)
[23:28:45] <Krinkle>	 or not
[23:28:51] <Krinkle>	 I guess it would.
[23:28:54] <Krinkle>	 or not
[23:28:55] <Krinkle>	 in css
[23:31:33] <SPQRobin>	 Krinkle: $inLanguage, so localising the language names?
[23:32:25] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: GWicke; "Switch back to line-based diff, refineDiff hides some diffs" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12124
[23:32:40] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: GWicke; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12124
[23:32:42] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: GWicke; [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12124
[23:33:50] <Krinkle>	 SPQRobin: Yes, per Siebrand's comment on another bug, this is already in core.
[23:34:02] <Krinkle>	 it will use it if e.g. CLDR is installed, and fallback to what we have now
[23:34:13] <Krinkle>	 we just need to use it
[23:34:30] <Krinkle>	 by passing an additional argument from the language_urls creation in Skin
[23:34:46] <SPQRobin>	 Krinkle: I think that would need wider discussion
[23:35:34] <Krinkle>	 Yup
[23:35:59] <Krinkle>	 But the ucfirst is a regression imho, we can fix that sooner and get it in the next deployment window.
[23:37:02] <Krinkle>	 the language links looks very amaturistic in most languages now, like someone didn't care about spelling and forgot capitalization at the beginning of the items.
[23:37:22] <Krinkle>	 (stylistically speaking, for this context. other contexts are fine)
[23:37:30] <SPQRobin>	 Yeah, I understand that
[23:37:37] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Robmoen; "Move action.watch to a more suitable place and expose updateWatchLink method in mw.page.watch.  Update method to toggle watch, unwatch list item id attribute. Patchset 2- Expose method with less code duplication, restore comments, cleanup whitespace. Chan" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12123
[23:39:52] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Krinkle; "Hm.. did you forget to `git add`? There is no difference with patch set 1 (except for the commit-msg)." [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12123
[23:39:52] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: jenkins-bot; "Build Successful " [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 1 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12123
[23:42:35] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) toolbox not appearing - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37547  +comment (10Fabrice Florin)
[23:42:36] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) toolbox not appearing - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37547  +comment (10Fabrice Florin)
[23:42:38] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) wikidata needs unicode-bidi:embed; for rtl wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37729 normal; MediaWiki extensions: WikidataClient; (reza.energy)
[23:44:14] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Robmoen; "Move action.watch to a more suitable place and expose updateWatchLink method in mw.page.watch.  Update method to toggle watch, unwatch list item id attribute. Patchset 2- Expose method with less code duplication, restore comments, cleanup whitespace. Patc" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12123
[23:45:25] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Mwjames; "(bug 37721) Add new result printer listwidget" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticResultFormats] (result-printer-listwidget) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12128
[23:46:19] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: jenkins-bot; "Build Successful " [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 1 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12123
[23:46:47] <Krinkle>	 rmoen: again.. no difference
[23:47:00] <Krinkle>	 check git diff --cached before committing
[23:47:41] <rmoen>	 Krinkle: yeah, i'm having an issue i've never experienced before
[23:48:27] <Krinkle>	 `git diff --cached` shows the diff between the repository and the staged changed (e.g. the stuff added with git-add, the stuff that will be committed with git-commit)
[23:52:24] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: GWicke; "Fix single-line mode for nested lists" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12130
[23:52:27] <wikibugs>	 03(ASSIGNED) [SRF] 1.8(alpha); Add a list navigation widget (extends SMWListResultPrinter) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37721  +comment (10MWJames)
[23:54:43] <Amgine>	 siebrand: how do I check if the wiktionary mobile is localised to a given language?
[23:54:48] <Amgine>	 No, found that out.
[23:55:34] <Amgine>	 siebrand, nikerabbit: If someone wants to add a latin translation for the wiktionary app, how do they do so?
[23:55:54] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Robmoen; "Move action.watch to a more suitable place and expose updateWatchLink method in mw.page.watch.  Update method to toggle watch, unwatch list item id attribute. Patchset 2- Expose method with less code duplication, restore comments, cleanup whitespace. Patc" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12123
[23:57:58] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: jenkins-bot; "Build Successful " [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 1 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12123
[23:58:00] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Robmoen; "Move action.watch to a more suitable place and expose updateWatchLink method in mw.page.watch.  Update method to toggle watch, unwatch list item id attribute. Patchset 2- Expose method with less code duplication, restore comments, cleanup whitespace. Patc" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12123
[23:58:01] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Hoo man; "Furthermore, this limitation can be bypassed if the editusercssjs right is set, as the if that check..." [mediawiki/core] (master) C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/10458
[23:58:09] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: MarkTraceur; "Fix a little error in the PHP" [mediawiki/extensions/EtherEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12131
[23:58:26] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: MarkTraceur; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/EtherEditor] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12131
[23:58:28] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: MarkTraceur; [mediawiki/extensions/EtherEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12131
[23:59:06] <rmoen>	 Krinkle: I figured it out finally… sigh
[23:59:12] <Krinkle>	 yep
[23:59:32] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Subramanya Sastry; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12130
[23:59:36] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Subramanya Sastry; [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12130