[00:00:52] New review: Kaldari; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/WikimediaShopLink] (master); V: 1 C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11012 [00:00:55] Change merged: Kaldari; [mediawiki/extensions/WikimediaShopLink] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11012 [00:00:57] new utility class [00:01:01] sounds scary [00:01:19] only "I've introduced a new layer" sounds worse [00:01:29] ;) [00:01:49] perl is actually pretty powerful I found out recently [00:02:02] trust me, it's nowhere as fucked up as the original code was :) [00:02:16] there's even "Modern Perl Programming" book or something to get out of typical perl 4 style most people have in their heads [00:02:48] sure, have fun [00:02:55] and I don't doubt that, but *I* need a language that *I* can read and that even runs on Windows...and MediaWiki's programmed in PHP, so that's my excuse ;-) [00:03:26] perl is easier to run on windows I think [00:03:38] or the same [00:03:48] not trying to force anyone into perl [00:05:45] 03(mod) Support crosswiki template inclusion (transclusion => interwiki templates, etc.) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/4547 +comment (10Krinkle) [00:08:12] 03(NEW) Bugzilla/Mailer.pm throwing exceptions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37762 normal; Wikimedia: Bugzilla; (krinklemail) [00:12:18] New patchset: Aaron Schulz; "[LockManager] Added a memcached lock manager class." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/9872 [00:14:22] New review: jenkins-bot; "Build Successful " [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 1 C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/9872 [00:17:14] 03(mod) Discrepancy between the status line shown above this post and its activity log - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36698 +comment (10Reha Sterbin) [00:17:31] 03(mod) Some actions not appearing in "view activity" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37548 +comment (10Reha Sterbin) [00:19:50] 03(mod) Spam from mediawiki-cvs-bounces - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37690 +comment (10Chad H.) [00:20:40] 03(mod) flag count not updated when unflagging a post - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37594 +comment (10Reha Sterbin) [00:33:11] 03(mod) Pluralization Javascript displaying as code - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37424 +comment (10Reha Sterbin) [00:34:04] New patchset: MarkTraceur; "A bunch of work (call this 0.1.0)" [mediawiki/extensions/EtherEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12302 [00:34:50] New review: MarkTraceur; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/EtherEditor] (master); V: 1 C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12302 [00:34:52] Change merged: MarkTraceur; [mediawiki/extensions/EtherEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12302 [00:37:01] 03(mod) toolbox not appearing - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37547 +comment (10Reha Sterbin) [00:37:06] New patchset: Trevor Parscal; "Modified handleEnter to insert a paragraph above/below a non-paragraph if at the edges" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12303 [00:39:00] New patchset: Reha Sterbin; "Added a tooltip for the flag as abuse link when in the saved state (bug 37596)" [mediawiki/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12304 [00:39:45] 03(ASSIGNED) Tooltip to clarify the remove flag action - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37596 +comment (10Reha Sterbin) [00:39:47] is revision.rev_len just the output of strlen( 'revision text goes here' )? [00:40:14] should be [00:40:29] thx =) [00:40:30] it's not multibyte aware or anything [00:40:51] New patchset: Inez; "Fix method hasSlugAtOffset to return true when length of the element is 0" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12305 [00:43:00] New patchset: Trevor Parscal; "Removed trailing whitespace and other cruft" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12306 [00:43:38] New patchset: Reha Sterbin; "Use a thin border between feedback posts (bug 37739)" [mediawiki/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12307 [00:44:16] 14(WFM) Pluralization Javascript displaying as code - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37424 +comment (10Sumana Harihareswara) [00:44:45] 03(ASSIGNED) Reduce border width for feedback posts - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37739 +comment (10Reha Sterbin) [00:48:55] 03(mod) OH-AFT "Flagged as abuse" text displays incorrectly upon page refresh - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37428 +comment (10Reha Sterbin) [00:55:31] 03(mod) Filtering by "helpfulness", ranking mistake - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37427 +comment (10Reha Sterbin) [01:07:46] 14(WFM) OH-AFT "Flagged as abuse" text displays incorrectly upon page refresh - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37428 +comment (10Sumana Harihareswara) [01:16:22] New patchset: Robmoen; "Add tab key support for indentation button tool" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12310 [01:19:19] New patchset: Inez; "Move slugs logic into doSlugs since it is being used in onSplice and in cleanup methods." [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12311 [01:19:20] New patchset: Inez; "Fix method hasSlugAtOffset to return true when length of the element is 0" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12305 [01:19:21] New patchset: Inez; "Add slugs inside empty branch nodes so cursor can be correctly placed." [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12301 [01:25:43] New patchset: Christian; "Keyboard shortcuts for bold and italic" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12312 [01:28:18] New patchset: Christian; "Keyboard shortcuts for bold and italic" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12312 [01:36:08] New patchset: Robmoen; "Apparently every object in FF has a watch() method. Added better Checking for this for when mw.page.watch module is not loaded." [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12313 [01:37:37] New review: Catrope; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master); V: 1 C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12313 [01:37:39] Change merged: Catrope; [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12313 [01:40:41] New patchset: Catrope; "Document how to remove attributes" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12314 [01:42:42] New patchset: Catrope; "Disable indentation button tool, doesn't work yet" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12315 [01:45:59] New patchset: Catrope; "Add commented-out tab key support for indentation button tool" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12310 [01:46:36] New review: Catrope; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master); V: 1 C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12310 [01:46:38] Change merged: Catrope; [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12310 [01:48:10] New patchset: Catrope; "When there is a selection range, pressing arrow keys should not remove the selection in Firefox." [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12268 [01:48:30] New review: Catrope; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master); V: 1 C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12268 [01:48:32] Change merged: Catrope; [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12268 [01:49:35] New review: Catrope; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master); V: 1 C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12297 [01:49:35] Change merged: Catrope; [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12297 [01:56:55] 03(mod) Setting a cookie to go into a RL debug mode - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/25610 (10Krinkle) [01:57:45] New patchset: Catrope; "Modified handleEnter to insert a paragraph above/below a non-paragraph if at the edges" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12303 [01:57:57] New review: Catrope; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master); V: 1 C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12303 [01:57:59] Change merged: Catrope; [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12303 [01:59:06] New patchset: Trevor Parscal; "Cleaned up selection and focus code for inspectors" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12317 [01:59:09] 03(mod) Implement a front-end for interacting with resourceLoaderDebug cookie - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35063 summary; +comment (10Krinkle) [01:59:28] New patchset: Catrope; "Use getClonedElement() rather than manually building a node" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12318 [01:59:57] New review: Catrope; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master); V: 1 C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12306 [01:59:59] Change merged: Catrope; [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12306 [02:00:17] New review: Trevor Parscal; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master); V: 1 C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12301 [02:00:19] Change merged: Trevor Parscal; [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12301 [02:00:41] 14(WFM) Unable to use debug mode when previewing a user script - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35061 +comment (10Krinkle) [02:00:41] 03(mod) Setting a cookie to go into a RL debug mode - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/25610 (10Krinkle) [02:00:41] 03(mod) Implement a front-end for interacting with resourceLoaderDebug cookie - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35063 (10Krinkle) [02:00:51] New review: Catrope; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master); V: 1 C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12305 [02:00:53] Change merged: Catrope; [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12305 [02:01:27] RoanKattouw: I never knew about resourceLoaderDebug cookie [02:01:35] There were 3 bugs about it [02:01:56] and a fourth one, but that one was closed in 2010 - as fixed! [02:03:36] 03(NEW) Implement feature for logging in debug mode - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37763 enhancement; MediaWiki: ResourceLoader; (krinklemail) [02:04:14] New patchset: Catrope; "Move slugs logic into doSlugs since it is being used in onSplice and in cleanup methods." [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12311 [02:04:41] New review: Catrope; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master); V: 1 C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12311 [02:04:57] New patchset: Robmoen; "Hide each inspector in the iframe, works for now. Will need to be rewritten for multiple inspectors" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12319 [02:09:13] New patchset: Catrope; "Keyboard shortcuts for bold and italic" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12312 [02:09:28] New review: Catrope; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master); V: 1 C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12312 [02:09:30] Change merged: Catrope; [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12312 [02:11:00] New patchset: Catrope; "Move slugs logic into doSlugs since it is being used in onSplice and in cleanup methods." [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12311 [02:11:15] New review: Catrope; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master); V: 1 C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12311 [02:11:17] Change merged: Catrope; [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12311 [02:11:50] New patchset: Christian; "i18n for error messages" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12320 [02:15:14] New review: Catrope; "Even though the iframe will be transparent, it'll still be there, so please check that it doesn't ra..." [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master); V: 0 C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12319 [02:18:34] New review: Catrope; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master); V: 1 C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12317 [02:19:03] Any suggestions what my problem might be: on a non-WMF wiki, running MW 1.18, DjVu files loaded locally work fine, jpg and other single image files loaded locally work fine, jpg and other single image files work fine via InstantCommons, but DjVu does not work with InstantCommons [02:22:54] New patchset: Catrope; "Cleaned up selection and focus code for inspectors" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12317 [02:23:01] For a DjVu via InstantCommons I get: "Error creating thumbnail: Unable to fetch XML for DjVu file" [02:23:12] New review: Catrope; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master); V: 1 C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12317 [02:23:14] Change merged: Catrope; [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12317 [02:23:34] BewareofDoug: sounds like a bug in InstantCommons ... [02:24:02] hexmode, But InstantCommons works with DjVu all the time on WMF projects [02:24:30] Is there a reason it would behave differently on the outside? [02:24:30] hrm... [02:24:38] none that I know of [02:24:40] viz: Wikisource [02:25:30] Oh, I just discovered it displays the rest of the Commons page, that's interesting [02:25:37] just the thumbnail seems to be the issue [02:25:38] Inspector Gadget. [02:26:00] BewareofDoug: wikisource has djvu files from commons? I thought they hosted them themselves... [02:26:43] New patchset: Catrope; "Fix off-by-one bug in the ve.msg's fallback $1 replacement" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12321 [02:27:11] Oh no, en.ws has a few and mul.ws has a few, due to the copyright rules on Commons, but the vast majority are on Commons [02:27:34] New patchset: Krinkle; "Prefer console.error over console.log for exception logging" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/10461 [02:27:36] New review: Krinkle; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/10461 [02:27:55] New patchset: Catrope; "i18n for error messages" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12320 [02:28:18] hexmode: for example, this is on Commons: Error creating thumbnail: Unable to fetch XML for DjVu file [02:28:21] oops [02:28:25] copied wrong thing [02:28:45] or failed to copy and that was the last that succeeded [02:28:49] Here it is: http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Page:Three_Books_of_Occult_Philosophy_(De_Occulta_Philosophia)_(1651).djvu/194 [02:29:14] Just an example of a djvu on commons used on wikisource picked more or less at random [02:29:34] New patchset: Krinkle; "Prefer console.error over console.log for exception logging" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/10461 [02:29:56] New review: Krinkle; "* Rebased" [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 1; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/10461 [02:31:04] BewareofDoug: ws is looking much better since I last poked ... or someone did a good job on that page! [02:31:44] New review: jenkins-bot; "Build Successful " [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 1 C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/10461 [02:33:13] combination I think, but still slow, that work has a lot of pages left to go [02:33:38] New patchset: Catrope; "i18n for error messages" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12320 [02:34:10] BewareofDoug: ok, so is it failing on that page on your site or on the File: page: https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/File:Three_Books_of_Occult_Philosophy_%28De_Occulta_Philosophia%29_%281651%29.djvu [02:35:17] hexmode, just got pointed to the same issue on testwiki: http://commons.wikimedia.beta.wmflabs.org/wiki/Help:DjVu [02:35:30] see the djvu's failing there [02:35:47] New review: Krinkle; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master); V: 1 C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12321 [02:35:49] Change merged: Krinkle; [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12321 [02:36:02] BewareofDoug: excellent, who pointed you? someone in -commons? [02:36:09] inductiveload [02:36:19] in #wikisource [02:36:28] New review: Trevor Parscal; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master); V: 1 C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12314 [02:36:30] Change merged: Trevor Parscal; [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12314 [02:36:53] BewareofDoug: so, known issue, but make sure there is a bug about it [02:36:55] And yes, if I try to display, the basic djvu file: File:Three_Books_of_Occult_Philosophy_(De_Occulta_Philosophia)_(1651).djvu on my wiki it fails [02:37:09] OK will do [02:37:20] New review: Trevor Parscal; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master); V: 1 C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12320 [02:37:23] Change merged: Trevor Parscal; [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12320 [02:37:25] BewareofDoug: also, maybe ping Chris McMahon (WMF QA) on the bug [02:37:28] !g I71d4b8098d63042c4615c952e9c48f21460a9b19 [02:37:28] https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#q,I71d4b8098d63042c4615c952e9c48f21460a9b19,n,z [02:38:25] New review: Trevor Parscal; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master); V: 1 C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12319 [02:38:27] Change merged: Trevor Parscal; [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12319 [02:38:45] OK [02:38:48] New patchset: Catrope; "Remove old cruft in contentEditable/ , hasn't been touched since Feb 9" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12322 [02:38:50] Thanks [02:39:05] 03(mod) Rethink base directionality and flipping for modules from origin "site" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31923 summary; +comment (10Krinkle) [02:40:10] New review: Trevor Parscal; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master); V: 1 C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12318 [02:40:13] Change merged: Trevor Parscal; [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12318 [02:41:19] svn: warning: '.' is already under version control [02:41:21] lol [02:41:24] New review: Trevor Parscal; "Bye bye" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master); V: 1 C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12322 [02:41:26] git... [02:41:26] Change merged: Trevor Parscal; [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12322 [02:42:52] New review: Trevor Parscal; "FixMeOldCodeDoesntWorkKTHXBYE!" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master); V: 1 C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12315 [02:42:54] Change merged: Trevor Parscal; [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12315 [02:43:50] 03(mod) Unknown error: "tpt-unknown-page" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37715 (10mario.quirino) [02:44:28] New patchset: Robmoen; "Added getSelectionText method to link inspector so that the default text for a link is the selected text." [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12323 [02:54:55] New patchset: Robmoen; "Added getSelectionText method to link inspector so that the default text for a link is the selected text. patchset 2 - add case for if data offset is an object, be sure it is a string prior to adding it. truncate to 255 chars. Change-Id: Ibddf942c2a0ba34" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12323 [02:57:41] New patchset: Robmoen; "Added getSelectionText method to link inspector so that the default text for a link is the selected text. patchset 2 - add case for if data offset is an object, be sure it is a string prior to adding it. truncate to 255 chars. patchset 3 - actually add t" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12323 [02:58:20] New patchset: Christian; "Fixing handleEnter to allow splitting headlines" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12324 [03:01:50] Any devs around? [03:02:32] Sure [03:02:32] New patchset: Catrope; "Fixing handleEnter to allow splitting headlines" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12324 [03:02:33] 03(NEW) InstantCommons doesn't display DjVu on some installs - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37764 normal; MediaWiki: DjVu; (WikipediaDoug) [03:02:58] RoanKattouw: Could you please make the link for the gadgets extension secure? :P [03:03:08] Where is this? [03:03:16] New review: Catrope; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master); V: 1 C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12324 [03:03:18] Change merged: Catrope; [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12324 [03:03:59] RoanKattouw: In MW 1.19.1, and probably where it was fetched from as well [03:05:42] New patchset: Catrope; "Revert "Added localhost to available sources and made it default"" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12325 [03:05:51] Oooh that link [03:05:58] On Special:Version, right? [03:06:12] Yes [03:07:07] Change "'url' => 'http://mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Gadgets'," to "'url' => 'https://mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Gadgets'," [03:07:27] ~line 27 [03:07:40] Yeah [03:07:41] New patchset: Catrope; "Use https for the description page URL" [mediawiki/extensions/Gadgets] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12326 [03:07:43] There ---^^ [03:08:05] 03(mod) Several history entries for the same content - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37225 +comment (10Aaron Schulz) [03:08:07] New review: Krinkle; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/Gadgets] (master); V: 1 C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12326 [03:08:13] Change merged: Krinkle; [mediawiki/extensions/Gadgets] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12326 [03:08:39] :) [03:10:00] New patchset: Catrope; "Use mediawiki.org as the default source in production" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12327 [03:16:52] New patchset: Trevor Parscal; "Added onbeforeunload handler which warns before someone leaves the page if they have unsaved changes" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12328 [03:23:06] hey guys i am having an issue accessing my /wiki dir remotely [03:23:14] i can access other dirs on my apache installation [03:23:25] anyone lend a hand? [03:28:55] 03(mod) Uzbek Wikipedia logo change - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37699 +comment (10abdulla) [03:30:49] New review: Trevor Parscal; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master); V: 1 C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12327 [03:38:25] New review: Trevor Parscal; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master); V: 1 C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12325 [03:38:27] Change merged: Trevor Parscal; [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12327 [03:38:28] Change merged: Trevor Parscal; [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12325 [03:38:32] New patchset: Krinkle; "Make ext.gadgets.preferences.js respect gadgets-preference-description" [mediawiki/extensions/Gadgets] (RL2) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5871 [03:46:16] New patchset: Trevor Parscal; "Added getSelectionText method to link inspector so that the default text for a link is the selected text. patchset 2 - add case for if data offset is an object, be sure it is a string prior to adding it. truncate to 255 chars. patchset 3 - actually add t" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12323 [03:48:31] New review: Trevor Parscal; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master); V: 1 C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12323 [03:48:44] New review: Robmoen; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) C: 1; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12323 [03:48:53] New review: Catrope; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master); V: 1 C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12323 [03:48:55] Change merged: Catrope; [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12323 [03:51:36] New review: Catrope; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master); V: 1 C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12328 [03:51:38] Change merged: Catrope; [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12328 [03:52:04] When is VisualEditor going to come online? [03:53:09] haha, did you notice the commit flood? :D [03:53:10] Soon [03:53:13] Jasper_Deng: Soon. Hopefully. :-) [03:53:26] It's a curry-and-commit party here. [03:53:28] We've scheduled a demo deployment on mediawiki.org for tomorrow (Thursday) around noon-ish Pacific Time [03:53:29] (as in, when is it getting its entry in CommonSettings.php?) [03:53:42] So yeah it's the night before and we're at the office with Indian food and committing code like crazzy [03:54:06] Ah. That'll take longer. We think you'd like it to be feature-complete (or, at least, more feature-ful) before wide-spread deployment. [03:54:29] Well it will get a CommonSettings entry when we go to mw.org [03:54:43] But it won't be on any "real" wikis for a while [03:55:07] New review: Krinkle; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/Gadgets] (RL2); V: 1 C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5871 [03:55:09] Change merged: Krinkle; [mediawiki/extensions/Gadgets] (RL2) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5871 [03:55:49] 03(mod) Several history entries for the same content - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37225 +comment (10Supertoff) [03:58:18] RoanKattouw: I was just thinking, why are they still at the office at this time. [03:58:41] 9PM there [03:58:44] (never mind me) [03:59:19] Dude why are *you* still working :D [03:59:31] Im having lunch, actually [03:59:35] * Brooke wonders whether any developers will use WikiEditor. [03:59:42] Err, VisualEditor. [04:00:02] for easy documentation, perhaps [04:00:23] * Krinkle wonders who wouldn't use VisualEditor - in its final form [04:00:39] In 10 years you won't even think about wikitext when editing an article [04:00:53] That's awfully optimistic. [04:01:01] Has HTML reached that stage for you? [04:01:10] wikitext ftw \o/ [04:01:24] Brooke: Don't even start to compere wikitext as being a markup language. [04:01:25] anyone? [04:01:28] its wayyy past that point [04:01:53] Wikitext? No. But the Visual Editor works with wiki markup, I think? [04:01:56] is anyone busy? [04:02:09] Giorgios: Just ask :) [04:02:09] And the point was that visual editors for HTML still annoy me and they've had ten years. [04:02:11] Brooke: wikitext and wiki markup are the same thing [04:02:17] a long time ago in a galaxy far away (or a short trip away with the Tardis) - it was a markup language. [04:02:26] Krinkle: Lunch? At 6am? [04:02:33] RoanKattouw: Yep [04:02:33] I need help setting up a wiki farm but farmer wont install [04:02:37] RoanKattouw: I don't think most usage reflects that. [04:02:53] Brooke: What would you say the difference is then? [04:03:19] '''bold''' would be wiki markup. Wikitext is usually a synonym for everything in the edit window, isn't it? [04:03:23] Brooke: using HTML for editing articles is fine by me, I assume that's what bots will use in the "new" mediawiki era (maybe not html, but at least some markup syntax other than wikitext) [04:03:30] XML dumps are full of wikitext. [04:04:01] Right so you're saying wikitext is the text in the wiki, and the language it's written in is wiki markup? [04:04:02] As opposed to the visual HTML of the page or the HTML itself. [04:04:25] RoanKattouw: I'm not sure I'd consider lots of things (such as {{#if:}}) to be wiki markup. [04:04:26] 03(mod) Contact us should provide more information including last visited page name - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36388 +comment (10Jon) [04:05:04] Brooke: Which is kind of the point - that that will be phased out - or rather it wil never have a place in the new markup syntax [04:05:14] Krinkle: No more markup? [04:05:24] Brooke: no more non-markup in markup. [04:05:38] Heh, you lost me. [04:05:41] the VisualEditor won't edit pages with {{#if:}} [04:06:00] Right. It deals with wiki markup. [04:06:01] Not wikitext. [04:06:04] I said that a few lines up. ;-) [04:06:12] hmm [04:06:19] the new parser handles it fine, but the editor won't afaik. [04:06:21] when I say wikitext, I mean "'''bold''' {{call}} [[link]]" [04:06:34] specifically that syntax [04:06:40] There's a whole lot more to wikitext than that. [04:06:53] tell me about it [04:06:57] :-) [04:07:18] So you're saying that everyone will want to use the Visual Editor. [04:07:26] But not if they're editing pages with ParserFunctions? [04:07:32] anyway, it seems visual editor tends to attract conversation patterns that have already taken place, documented, decided and being acted on. [04:07:35] Well PFs would exist on templates, right? [04:07:38] damn File Manager [04:07:43] * Krinkle takes another bite [04:07:45] brb [04:07:45] RoanKattouw: And elsewhere. [04:07:58] Why would you have PFs in an article? [04:08:06] There are 22 million articles on the Wikipedias. [04:08:20] I'm going to take a guess and say that a few use ParserFunctions directly in the article. [04:08:21] Well sure, there is going to be an article with PFs [04:08:37] And the editor can deal with that in that it will isolate them and not let you edit them [04:08:37] New patchset: Christian; "Pressing enter in the last listItem, if empty, will exit the list" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12329 [04:08:42] So the VisaulEditor is intended for content only? [04:08:44] But ideally there would be no PFs in articles :) [04:08:52] $wgContentNamespaces content, I mean. [04:08:55] Or whatever. [04:09:07] It should be usable for everything except templates [04:09:12] If anyone wants to use parser functions they should be able to switch to text editing [04:09:12] Ideally there would be no PF extension. [04:09:16] Like if you're doing actual programming, obviously VE doesn't make sense [04:09:30] RoanKattouw: Everything but templates? That's a whole lot... [04:09:39] Galleries, references, interwiki links, categories? [04:09:40] But it won't choke, anything it doesn't like or understand it'll just quarantine and show as an uneditable thing [04:09:42] The visual editor should have an option like $wgVEDefaultNamespaces [04:09:52] We haven't figured those out yet but references we wanna do for sure [04:09:56] when someone can, please open up a private query with me [04:10:15] RoanKattouw: Did I see you're going to try iframes again? [04:10:22] James_F: Save a log of this conversation please, it contains useful things such as the namespace suggestion [04:10:29] Yeah we're back to using contentEditable [04:10:40] Definitely. [04:10:40] I was also sceptical at first [04:10:43] And ignoring IE? :-) [04:10:52] No. :-) [04:10:54] IE has the resize handles issue yeah [04:11:00] But I think most things work in IE still [04:11:12] Does that mean NavigableTOC is coming back? [04:11:18] Wasn't that dependent on iframes? [04:11:23] Yes, but a different iframe [04:11:36] You're right that it depended on something that used the same technology (contentEditable iframe) [04:11:41] But we're not reusing any of that code [04:11:47] All right. [04:11:51] Cause the old cE code was a disaster, which is why we ditched it [04:12:07] Usability! [04:12:18] RoanKattouw: back at cE. I noticed you deleting the whole cE dir earlier today though. I take it that was an old version :D [04:12:36] But then one of the Wikia guys had a proof of concept for locking down cE such that it doesn't screw up all the time, we raced him for features for a few weeks, and he won, so we went with his stuff :) [04:12:42] Krinkle: Yeah that was old code from back in Feb [04:12:48] 03(mod) Provide an API to rotate an image - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33186 +comment (10Rob Lanphier) [04:13:44] Brooke: Let me assure you this is not a reincarnation of the usability stuff :) We borrowed like 30 lines of code from the usability codebase, the rest is all new [04:13:59] I worry about the Wikia relationship a bit. [04:14:00] (the 30 lines were for the if-the-user-tries-to-navigate-away-and-has-unsaved-changes-warn-them feature) [04:14:08] Because of fckEditor? [04:14:11] RoanKattouw: I wasn't too worried about that. Just poking fun at the now-dead usability team. [04:14:16] Brooke: basically any syntax that directly results in something visual can or will be editable (tables, file thumbnails, page links, and extension tags - if it has a visual editor plugin) [04:14:21] heh no worries [04:14:33] RoanKattouw: Because of Wikia + Jimmy and all that. [04:14:36] Right [04:14:52] Well basically what's going on is both WMF and Wikia want a visual editor but they want different things out of it [04:15:00] Krinkle: Hmmm, that's a very high bar. :-) [04:15:01] And Wikia has relevant expertise because they did fckEditor [04:15:20] Wikia is also apparently partnering re: Echo. [04:15:24] And probably some other things. [04:15:40] Brooke: And templates / parser functions would not be editable and slowly phased out to the Template namespace and Module namespace (both of which would be editable as "code" only). interwiki links and category links is a good one. Not sure how that is handled. [04:15:41] That brings up the issue of positioning in wikitext (and with extend - the issue that they are in the content at all) [04:15:41] So eventually the Wikia people will work on things they care about, and we'll work on things we care about. But before that can happen there needs to be a base, so we're now working closely together to create that base [04:15:42] It makes snese. It's logical and rational. I'm just not sure how I feel about it. [04:15:44] as far as i know, wikia is not involved with echo. [04:15:50] Not sure what's up with Wikia and Echo [04:15:52] Oh there you go [04:15:58] I thought they were. [04:16:02] no. [04:16:12] they have their own notifications system. [04:16:12] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Echo [04:16:17] I got that impression from the infobox. [04:16:19] Brooke: I work with high bars because I'm confident that we will make it, and if not, something better in its place. [04:16:30] Team: Brandon Harris, WMF team TBD, (Wikia) [04:16:31] There's also no flow of money involved AFAIK, it's just that there's two people paid by Wikia that spend 4 days a week at our office working on the editor [04:17:00] <--- Brandon Harris [04:17:07] Krinkle: I appreciate your optimism. :-) [04:17:09] jorm: Go on. [04:17:25] just. i'm pretty involved with the project. [04:17:26] 04(REOPENED) Pluralization Javascript displaying as code - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37424 +comment (10Srikanth Logic) [04:17:38] and wikia has not, as far as i know, been engaged. [04:17:44] So they pay part of the team, we give them desk space, and we design the thing with Wikia's needs in mind [04:17:44] I guess Wikia is in a parenthetical. And I don't know how it got there. [04:17:49] But that's why I had the impression I had. [04:18:10] 03(NEW) Contact Us stylesheet is served to all pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37716 normal; MediaWiki extensions: MobileFrontend; (jrobson) [04:18:23] Also, the general impression of Wikia and Wikimedia working together exists because it's true. [04:18:39] Well I sit next to a Wikia guy so yeah :) [04:18:44] I named it "Wikiafication." [04:18:46] There is definitely collaboration going on [04:20:13] We also have like bi-monthly meetups where Wikia and WMF people get together and give lightning talks about what they've been working no [04:20:14] we work together on one project. [04:20:15] *on [04:20:39] Wikia is upgrading to 1.19 and the people doing that ask us questions from time to time [04:20:55] So yeah there's communication but the only "real" collaboration is on the editor [04:20:55] gonna be a tough sell for them [04:20:57] The contrast between Roan and Jorm is amusing. [04:21:01] 03(mod) Pluralization Javascript is not working while adding a flag - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37424 +i18n; summary; +comment (10Srikanth Logic) [04:21:21] jorm: Well, Wikiafication can happen without Wikia. :-) [04:21:32] And you'd generally expect it to. [04:21:44] what do you mean by "wikiafication?" [04:21:53] MoodBar and such. [04:22:03] Additional features that add bloat in the name of building "community." [04:22:12] And also include large smiley faces and bright colors. [04:22:16] WikiLove too. [04:22:22] RoanKattouw: Did they skip 1.18? [04:22:24] ah. okay. [04:22:33] so, i'm not going to get into this conversation, i think. [04:22:38] Fair. [04:22:41] Krinkle: I think they're upgrading from 1.16.5 [04:22:54] ah, right. resource loader :) [04:23:08] (enwiki's article lists 1.16.5) [04:23:46] New patchset: Inez; "Support for insertion in slugs." [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12330 [04:24:03] yo Krinkle [04:24:32] ori-l: hi [04:24:39] testswarm -- can i haz? [04:24:52] ori-l: I read the mail, I'm afraid it won't go that easy any time soon [04:25:04] ori-l: But don't worry, there's a plan [04:25:44] what won't go that easy? [04:25:57] using lolcat speak to get testing setups? [04:26:07] how could that fail? [04:26:19] There may be some misunderstandings I'm not sure, but the exact thing terry mentioned you need will be available for a few weeks/months. There is many extensions/repositories waiting for that and the workflow is simply not ready yet. It's being worked on very hard. [04:26:35] ori-l: the "exact thing" being "submitting tests with qunit test suites to our TestSwarm install from git" [04:26:59] Krinkle: can i help? [04:27:49] I don't know right now. I do know that the work left to be done is not much, its mostly waiting for upstream right now [04:28:07] I've implemented the entire specification in my sandbox and at the jQuery foundation. [04:29:00] ori-l: I've read some stuff here and there, but I haven't really met you (if you're in SF, we'll meet this summer when I visit the office) - can you briefly describe what you do at wmf, and what your areas of focus are in development? [04:31:19] Krinkle: sure. at the wmf, mostly harass roan and build out analytics stuff, mostly client-side. [04:31:36] hehe [04:31:49] New patchset: Christian; "Fixing backspace when at the beginning of the document." [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12331 [04:31:52] Krinkle: areas of focus -- i'm a python guy who went on a quick javascript detour a couple of years ago that was supposed to last about a week and hasn't ended yet [04:32:21] ori-l: alrighty, sounds great :) [04:32:30] Krinkle: https://github.com/atdt [04:32:32] New patchset: Catrope; "Support for insertion in slugs." [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12330 [04:33:56] ori-l: Travis CI is nice :) [04:34:38] Last year I've been doing a lot of node-js, npm and other server-side javascript activities, really enjoying it. [04:36:17] Krinkle: yeah, ditto. i find node amazingly awesome but not for the usual reason -- it's just awesome to have a badass js / cli environment [04:36:29] hehe [04:36:39] lots of really cool tools coming out. makes development way more productive. [04:37:36] ori-l: slightly outdated (I'l look it over tomorrow), but here is the specification that Hashar and I are working towards: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Continuous_integration/Workflow_specification [04:38:54] as far as client-side is concerned: For every commit to the monitored repositories the QUnit test suite modules will be submitted to TestSwarm, and there they will be automatically distributed to browserstack clients (real browsers in real operating systems) and then aggregated back up and pushed into Jenkins to land in the Gerrit review [04:39:28] and then you'd know in ~ 3 minutes that commit X introduced a failure in module Y in browser Z version A [04:39:40] if you wrote tests :P [04:39:49] yeah [04:40:05] and I wrote a js-coverage module to make sure that we do that properly [04:40:55] this looks great [04:40:59] my coverage implementation is different than the traditional implementation. (using function listeners in the live state and keep track of which public methods have and have not been called during the run of the test suite [04:41:12] ori-l: one more link: https://github.com/jquery/testswarm/wiki/Automated-Distributed-Continuous-Integration-for-JavaScript [04:41:26] hellow? [04:41:28] anyone [04:41:30] !help [04:41:31] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:$1 [04:41:33] which is basically the same as the mediawiki.org page but the reality as I made it with the jQuery team on their end [04:42:29] Krinkle: do you know what is available now in terms of CI? i don't have a jenkins setup either sadly [04:42:34] TimStarling: are you busy [04:42:52] ori-l: Oh, please don't feel bad. Jenkins is a pain to set up. [04:43:11] Setting it up one (at wmf) is enough, which is already done. [04:43:24] ori-l: So what is available right now: Centralized: None. [04:43:28] Local: almost everything [04:43:47] ori-l: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:JavaScript_unit_testing [04:44:05] make sure that you got that in order, that will be required for it to then automatically start rolling centrally when that is ready [04:44:10] shame [04:44:29] Krinkle: yeah. i basically got slotted into a team that consists of me, so no one is in any particular rush to hook me up :P [04:44:53] probably going to default to travis + sauce labs until i get something better going [04:45:10] sauce labs for unit testing? [04:45:16] Krinkle: selenium [04:45:19] They run QUnit? [04:45:22] Right, I was thinking.. [04:46:17] Krinkle: how do you find node-qunit btw? [04:46:58] ori-l: I've used it once, but find it to be really redundant in a serious set up. I found something better . [04:47:12] oh? [04:47:45] ori-l: so 1) Use a headless webkit browser from cli (phantoms) to just run the regular qunit [04:47:54] 2) use testswarm/browserstack to run it in real browsers. [04:48:11] Krinkle: that's a really good idea [04:48:13] where 1) is really the replacement for node-qunit [04:48:22] New patchset: Subramanya Sastry; "Fixed single line mode popping in list handler." [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12332 [04:48:25] New patchset: Catrope; "Fix XSS vulnerability in the use of location.href" [mediawiki/extensions/LastModified] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12333 [04:49:27] ori-l: For example, here is the cli output for jQuery UI ci-build: http://swarm.jquery.org:8080/job/jQuery%20UI/538/console [04:49:34] starts with jshint [04:49:39] then a minified build [04:49:52] then running qunit in webkit-cli phantomjs [04:50:07] if that passes (ie. if it passes in an "ideal" browser), then it is submitted to testswarm [04:50:17] http://swarm.jquery.org/job/31 [04:50:21] 03(mod) Several history entries for the same content - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37225 +comment (10Aaron Schulz) [04:51:02] from there you can click table cells to get the qunit test suite snapshots [04:51:20] New patchset: Catrope; "Support protocol-relative URLs in the link inspector" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12334 [04:51:24] but that's a lot of deep nested clicking, the most important thing is for the entire ci-build to say "PASSED" and that's it [04:51:43] Krinkle: this is entirely too cool [04:52:07] Totally [04:53:44] Krinkle: do you know who runs the jenkins instance(s)? [04:53:46] New review: Catrope; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/LastModified] (master); V: 1 C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12333 [04:53:48] Change merged: Catrope; [mediawiki/extensions/LastModified] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12333 [04:53:53] New patchset: Inez; "Fix the exception that is thrown when document is passed as a start parameter to traverseLeafNodes method." [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12335 [04:53:57] or are they all project specific ? [04:54:02] New patchset: Robmoen; "Allow initial value to be accepted in link inspector if it is the default text." [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12336 [04:54:36] ori-l: Which one? [04:55:06] the one at jQuery is run by jzaefferer and me. The one at wmf: integration.mediawiki.org/ci is run by hasher and me [04:55:14] Krinkle: the one that'll give me an account [04:55:33] ori-l: neither will, in a way [04:56:09] Krinkle: ah. gerrit ldap. let me check this out. [04:56:20] ori-l: the one at jquery is locked. the one at wmf uses LDAP for authentication [04:56:21] Anyone can log in with their gerrit/labs LDAP into mw-jenkins [04:56:28] there isn't much to see logged in though, everything is public [04:56:41] other than re-arranging the home screen I think [04:56:44] 03(mod) Several history entries for the same content - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37225 +comment (10Supertoff) [04:57:51] Krinkle: yeah, i just need to add a project. looks like anyone with gerrit l/p can, which is cool. [04:58:15] oh ? [04:58:25] I didn't know that [05:01:09] New patchset: Catrope; "Update LastModified" [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.20wmf5) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12337 [05:01:16] anyone??? [05:01:52] RoanKattouw: ^^ thanks again [05:02:06] New patchset: Catrope; "Update LastModified" [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.20wmf4) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12338 [05:02:46] Giorgios: What's up? Anything that can't be in the channel? [05:03:07] I need help with Farmer [05:03:09] !farmer [05:03:14] !eFarmer [05:03:15] New review: jenkins-bot; "Build Successful " [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.20wmf5); V: 1 C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12337 [05:03:26] botbrain [05:03:30] New review: jenkins-bot; "Build Failed " [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.20wmf4); V: -1 C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12338 [05:04:22] !e Farmer [05:04:22] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Farmer [05:04:30] there we go! [05:04:57] im having problems installing i [05:04:59] it* [05:05:11] New patchset: Catrope; "Update LastModified" [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.20wmf4) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12338 [05:05:50] New review: Catrope; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.20wmf5); V: 0 C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12337 [05:05:53] Change merged: Catrope; [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.20wmf5) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12337 [05:06:12] 03(FIXED) Please upload Barack Obama's weekly video addresses from April-June 2012 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37658 +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy)) [05:06:26] New review: Catrope; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master); V: 1 C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12335 [05:06:29] Change merged: Catrope; [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12335 [05:07:17] New review: jenkins-bot; "Build Successful " [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.20wmf4); V: 1 C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12338 [05:07:18] 03(NEW) Detected bug in an extension! Hook efCategoryTreeParserOutput failed to return a value - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37720 critical; MediaWiki: Categories; (msanchezt) [05:07:33] New review: Catrope; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.20wmf4); V: 0 C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12338 [05:07:36] Change merged: Catrope; [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.20wmf4) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12338 [05:10:36] 03(mod) Provide an API to rotate an image - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33186 +comment (10MZMcBride) [05:11:36] is there any eta on getting preference modification available via the API? [05:15:21] 03(NEW) [SRF] 1.8; Add tagcloud extra class support - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37724 enhancement; MediaWiki extensions: SemanticResultFormats; (jamesin.hongkong.1) [05:15:22] 03(FIXED) Article Feedback Page - Issues on IE8 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37351 +comment (10Yoni Shostak) [05:18:58] Users who are blocked on even one wiki should not be allowed to use the SUL system by default [05:24:23] New patchset: Inez; "Logic for moving cursor left and right programmatically" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12339 [05:24:47] 03(NEW) Users blocked on any wiki should not be able to use SUL unless given proper permission to do so - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37765 normal; MediaWiki extensions: CentralAuth; (jasper) [05:24:51] 03(mod) Incomplete log entries - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37714 +comment (10Krenair) [05:24:54] 03(mod) flag count not updated when unflagging a post - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37594 +comment (10Pau Giner) [05:26:09] New patchset: Subramanya Sastry; "Fixed list item handler to deal with dl-dd pattern in mixed lists." [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12340 [05:26:10] New patchset: Subramanya Sastry; "Fixed single line mode popping in list handler." [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12332 [05:30:13] New patchset: Robmoen; "Properly hide and show inspectors." [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12341 [05:35:34] 03(mod) Users blocked on any wiki should not be able to use SUL unless given proper permission to do so - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37765 +comment (10Betacommand) [05:35:48] Jasper_Deng: that is a really bad idea [05:36:30] no it isn't [05:36:51] the vast majority of cross-wiki abuse could be mitigated by that [05:37:27] Jasper_Deng: then it needs done right, your way would cause a lot of collateral damage [05:37:41] one thing could be: [05:37:43] then explain how that would be done right [05:37:50] (don't say "WONTFIX") [05:37:52] Disable auto account creation for blocked users [05:38:00] that's what I'm talking about [05:38:44] this would still enable those who have accounts to continue editing [05:38:59] My proposal implies that [05:39:05] (no autoblocks) [05:39:13] Jasper_Deng: but also blocks all other editing too [05:39:22] ? [05:39:37] prevents users from using SUL (aka blocks a user on all wikis) [05:40:09] Meta can be given an exemption [05:41:03] Jasper_Deng: as it is phrased your current request is a Bad Idea™ [05:41:16] I need to clarify some things [05:41:33] disable SUL == bad idea [05:41:52] != [05:41:52] There is no such key, you probably want to try: !?>, !@, !anglebrackets, !bug, !bugsearch, !cookies, !core, !damneditcount, !defaultsettings, !domdocument, !dpl, !emailconfirmed, !enableapi, !errors, !evilglobals, !exclamation, !externaleditor, !file, !fileurl, !gitweb, !google, !googleit, !IE9, !iis, !imagelink, !info, !line, !lmgtfy, !nofollow, !numberedparams, !plainlinks, !purge, !search, !smw, !sqllog, !suggest, !tidyforidiots, !upload, !vector, !viewvc, !votes, !wf, [05:41:58] lol [05:42:12] disabling auto-account creation I can understand and agree with, but SUL is far more than that [05:42:19] oh [05:42:26] by SUL in this context I mean auto-creation [05:42:30] excluding unification [05:42:41] Jasper_Deng: then clarify [05:42:46] done [05:42:50] 03(mod) Users blocked on any wiki should not be able to use SUL unless given proper permission to do so - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37765 +comment (10Jasper Deng) [05:43:46] 03(mod) Users blocked on any wiki should not be able to use SUL automatic account creation unless given proper permission to do so - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37765 summary (10Betacommand) [05:44:08] Jasper_Deng: updated the title to reflect [05:44:14] was going to do that myself [05:44:17] edit conflict xD [05:45:12] Jasper_Deng: one thing I find as a tech myself, clearly defining and stating the problem is 90% of the issue [05:45:36] ofc [05:45:40] Once I know what the issue is, fixing is normally fairly easy [05:46:02] not necessarily, depending on what you call "the issue" [05:48:07] Jasper_Deng: its true about 90% of the time [05:48:19] agreed on that though [05:48:38] (I g2g rlly soon in any case) [05:48:44] same [05:49:02] I should have been in bed about 4 hours ago [05:49:14] Well I'm about to leave my computer [05:49:16] bye [05:50:08] New review: Trevor Parscal; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master); V: 1 C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12330 [05:50:10] Change merged: Trevor Parscal; [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12330 [05:50:50] New review: Trevor Parscal; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master); V: 1 C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12329 [05:50:52] Change merged: Trevor Parscal; [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12329 [05:52:45] New review: Trevor Parscal; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master); V: 1 C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12331 [05:52:47] Change merged: Trevor Parscal; [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12331 [05:53:43] New review: Trevor Parscal; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master); V: 1 C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12334 [05:53:45] Change merged: Trevor Parscal; [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12334 [05:54:50] New review: Trevor Parscal; "Add check for shift key for better support" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master); V: 1 C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12339 [05:54:52] Change merged: Trevor Parscal; [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12339 [05:55:39] New review: Trevor Parscal; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master); V: 1 C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12336 [05:55:42] Change merged: Trevor Parscal; [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12336 [05:56:30] New review: Trevor Parscal; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master); V: 1 C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12341 [05:56:32] Change merged: Trevor Parscal; [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12341 [06:01:27] 03(mod) (ContentHandler) use symbolic names for content models and formats in the database - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37746 +comment (10Nikola Smolenski) [06:06:59] New patchset: Inez; "Better support for left & right arrow keys" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12342 [06:07:00] New review: Szymon Świerkosz; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/ProofreadPage] (master) C: 1; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11725 [06:17:56] New patchset: Inez; "Fix minor bug with space replacement in TextNode" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12343 [06:19:26] 03(mod) Uselang parameter should recognize non-existing languages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37459 +comment (10Nikola Smolenski) [06:20:06] New review: Trevor Parscal; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master); V: 1 C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12342 [06:20:08] Change merged: Trevor Parscal; [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12342 [06:22:01] New patchset: Trevor Parscal; "Fix adjustment of newRange in TransactionProcessor" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12344 [06:22:02] New patchset: Trevor Parscal; "Track adjustments in DocumentSynchronizer and apply them to oldRange" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12345 [06:22:03] New patchset: Trevor Parscal; "Removed attach and detach methods from ve.ce.Node" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12346 [06:22:04] New patchset: Trevor Parscal; "Got rid of iteration to get the surface" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12347 [06:23:33] 03(mod) MWHttpRequest::execute doesn't return a value - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37713 +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy)) [06:24:00] "This is a genuine bug in DocumentSynchronizer proper, which means Roan owes the entire team lunch" [06:24:14] Yes [06:24:18] And that's change 12345 to boot [06:24:19] '/r/12345 :-) [06:24:23] Yeah. [06:24:25] 04(REOPENED) All menu text is shown as "null" before the UI is fully initialized. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35845 +comment (10Liangent) [06:24:42] 03(mod) RecentChanges shows a misleading byte difference - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37753 +comment (10Nikola Smolenski) [06:25:41] New review: Trevor Parscal; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master); V: 0 C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12343 [06:30:42] New patchset: Catrope; "Fix adjustment of newRange in TransactionProcessor" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12344 [06:30:43] New patchset: Catrope; "Track adjustments in DocumentSynchronizer and apply them to oldRange" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12345 [06:33:38] New patchset: Trevor Parscal; "Fix minor bug with space replacement in TextNode" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12343 [06:34:56] New patchset: Trevor Parscal; "Removed attach and detach methods from ve.ce.Node" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12346 [06:34:57] New patchset: Trevor Parscal; "Got rid of iteration to get the surface" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12347 [06:34:59] 03(mod) [SRF] 1.8(alpha); Add a list navigation widget (extends SMWListResultPrinter) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37721 (10MWJames) [06:35:51] New review: Catrope; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master); V: 1 C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12346 [06:36:26] New review: Catrope; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master); V: 1 C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12347 [06:36:51] 03(mod) Attempting to translate a page into a non-permitted language results in 500 error rather than clean error - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37760 (10Siebrand) [06:37:56] New review: Catrope; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master); V: 1 C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12343 [06:37:59] Change merged: Catrope; [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12343 [06:38:04] New patchset: Trevor Parscal; "Fix adjustment of newRange in TransactionProcessor" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12344 [06:38:42] New review: Trevor Parscal; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master); V: 1 C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12344 [06:38:45] Change merged: Trevor Parscal; [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12344 [06:40:33] 03(NEW) Autosummary in history is empty - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37766 normal; MediaWiki extensions: WikidataRepo; (raimond.spekking) [06:40:49] New patchset: Catrope; "Track adjustments in DocumentSynchronizer and apply them to oldRange" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12345 [06:40:50] New patchset: Catrope; "Removed attach and detach methods from ve.ce.Node" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12346 [06:40:51] New patchset: Catrope; "Got rid of iteration to get the surface" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12347 [06:41:17] New review: Catrope; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master); V: 1 C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12346 [06:41:33] New review: Catrope; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master); V: 1 C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12347 [06:41:57] New review: Trevor Parscal; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master); V: 1 C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12345 [06:41:59] Change merged: Catrope; [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12346 [06:42:00] Change merged: Catrope; [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12347 [06:42:01] Change merged: Trevor Parscal; [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12345 [06:43:47] New patchset: Aaron Pramana; "Watchlist groups (first alpha release)" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11587 [06:45:51] New review: jenkins-bot; "Build Failed " [mediawiki/core] (master); V: -1 C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11587 [06:47:10] 03(mod) Attempting to translate a page into a non-permitted language results in 500 error rather than clean error - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37760 normal->major (10Niklas Laxström) [06:49:37] 03(mod) Attempting to translate a page into a non-permitted language results in 500 error rather than clean error - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37760 +code-update-regression (10Niklas Laxström) [06:52:00] 03(NEW) Notice: Undefined index: article in ../AbuseFilterVariableHolder.php on line 278 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37767 normal; MediaWiki extensions: AbuseFilter; (liangent) [07:02:22] New patchset: Trevor Parscal; "Fixed pressing backspace in a slug, now we just move the cursor to some nearby content" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12348 [07:08:41] New patchset: Trevor Parscal; "Fixed expected output for translateOffset" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12349 [07:08:44] New review: Catrope; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master); V: 1 C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12348 [07:08:46] Change merged: Catrope; [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12348 [07:11:44] New patchset: Trevor Parscal; "Fixed output of translateOffset when collapsing a range" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12349 [07:12:48] New patchset: Netbrain; "added a more robust value checking on MapsLocation data" [mediawiki/extensions/Maps] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12170 [07:16:52] 03(NEW) Tweak message 'wb-special-createitem-new-item-notification' - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37768 normal; MediaWiki extensions: WikidataRepo; (raimond.spekking) [07:23:09] New patchset: Netbrain; "Added a special value "on" for visitedicon." [mediawiki/extensions/Maps] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12176 [07:30:48] New patchset: Netbrain; "Added a special value "on" for visitedicon." [mediawiki/extensions/Maps] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12176 [07:31:24] New review: Netbrain; "Had to rebase due to dependency i didn't notice." [mediawiki/extensions/Maps] (master) C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12176 [07:46:26] 03(mod) Render interlanguage links in sidebar ucfirst per context language rules - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37705 +comment (10Hugo.arg) [07:56:36] New patchset: GWicke; "Add localhost interwiki prefix by default, and fix links after default change" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12350 [08:01:05] 03(FIXED) fa.wikipedia have problem with fa.m.wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37757 +comment (10reza1615) [08:05:39] 03(NEW) mobile veiw has problem with image direct on rtl wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37769 normal; MediaWiki extensions: MobileFrontend; (reza.energy) [08:05:40] 03(mod) Pluralization Javascript is not working while adding a flag - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37424 (10Fabrice Florin) [08:06:27] 03(mod) mobile veiw has problem with image direct on rtl wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37769 +comment (10reza1615) [08:12:02] 03(NEW) Sorting of Aliases confusing - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37770 minor; MediaWiki extensions: WikidataRepo; (tobias.gritschacher) [08:18:17] New review: Hashar; "> Can you please not approve patch sets with added messages" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12044 [08:20:09] 03(mod) allow people to CR -2 (do not submit) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37712 +comment (10Srikanth Logic) [08:31:23] New patchset: GWicke; "Empty elements only use the start handler info" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12351 [08:41:41] Hi [08:43:09] * gwicke regrets to have missed committing something funny in gerrit changeset 12345 [08:53:41] 03(mod) Content Security Policy (CSP) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/26508 +comment (10Christian Kujau) [09:01:07] 03(ASSIGNED) [SMW] 1.8; SMW_QP_List.php row results are not fully escaped which allows html tags - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37723 +comment (10MWJames) [09:04:28] New review: GWicke; "This eats the newline between the two lines in" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master); V: 0 C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12332 [09:12:14] 03(mod) Upgrade Gerrit to 2.4.1 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37406 normal->15enhancement (10Sam Reed (reedy)) [09:19:00] 03(mod) "Learn more" links on actions need to link to the help materials - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37434 +comment (10Matthias Mullie) [09:44:18] 03(mod) (ContentHandler) use symbolic names for content models and formats in the database - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37746 +comment (10Daniel Kinzler) [09:45:09] 03(mod) (ContentHandler) use symbolic names for content models and formats in the database - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37746 +comment (10Daniel Kinzler) [09:59:38] Krinkle: can you help me with some js problem? [10:00:37] New review: GWicke; "This breaks on input like this:" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master); V: 0 C: -1; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12340 [10:05:53] New patchset: John Erling Blad; "Autocomments for Wikibase items" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12025 [10:06:48] New review: GWicke; "Fixed formatting for the examples (I wished Gerrit would be sensible and preserved line breaks):" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master); V: 0 C: -1; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12340 [10:07:42] Hi at work we have a wiki for internal stuff, my boss is wanting to make it accessible to some people from outside. Is it possible to make it password protected for external users but not for internal? [10:08:42] 03(mod) RecentChanges shows a misleading byte difference - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37753 +comment (10Daniel Kinzler) [10:11:57] 03(mod) New added interwikis are appended instead of sorted into the list - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37750 +comment (10Daniel Kinzler) [10:13:06] New patchset: Drecodeam; "Added Map interface using Leaflet library." [mediawiki/extensions/UploadWizard] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12352 [10:13:07] New patchset: Drecodeam; "Defined functions for adding Map to every image detail section" [mediawiki/extensions/UploadWizard] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12353 [10:18:20] Krinkle: got it solved, thanks [10:19:05] 03(mod) (ContentHandler) use symbolic names for content models and formats in the database - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37746 +comment (10Marcin Cieślak) [10:25:41] zxww: you probably want www server level solution, not something on mediawiki [10:25:44] 03(mod) New added interwikis are appended instead of sorted into the list - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37750 +comment (10denny vrandecic) [10:25:49] j semantics [10:26:33] Edgard_WikiRio: hello [10:27:27] New patchset: Nikerabbit; "Basic language selector" [mediawiki/extensions/UniversalLanguageSelector] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11984 [10:28:20] New review: Nikerabbit; "Fixed issue with ' in language names, style issues like positioning and simplified in couple of places." [mediawiki/extensions/UniversalLanguageSelector] (master); V: 1 C: 1; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11984 [10:29:08] 03(NEW) Implement new Wikidata user interface design - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37771 normal; MediaWiki extensions: WikidataRepo; (denny.vrandecic) [10:29:23] 03(mod) Implement new Wikidata user interface design - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37771 +comment (10denny vrandecic) [10:29:35] 03(mod) Implement new Wikidata user interface design - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37771 normal->15enhancement (10denny vrandecic) [10:29:44] 03(mod) New added interwikis are appended instead of sorted into the list - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37750 (10denny vrandecic) [10:29:45] 03(mod) Implement new Wikidata user interface design - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37771 (10denny vrandecic) [10:33:28] New review: Daniel Werner; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 0 C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12028 [10:36:18] 04(REOPENED) Display a diff between two revisions of a Wikidata item - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37496 +comment (10Daniel Kinzler) [10:36:50] 03(mod) RecentChanges shows a misleading byte difference - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37753 +comment (10denny vrandecic) [10:38:21] 03(mod) Adjust diff headers in Wikibase\DifferenceEngine - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37747 +comment (10Daniel Kinzler) [10:38:21] 03(mod) Display a diff between two revisions of a Wikidata item - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37496 (10Daniel Kinzler) [10:40:11] 03(FIXED) ItemDiff does not work for label and description - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37680 +comment (10Daniel Kinzler) [10:40:31] New review: Daniel Kinzler; "this fixed bug 37680" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12184 [10:44:19] New review: John Erling Blad; "$continuationMarker is undefined, should be replaced by SUMMARY_CONTINUATION. Also lacks escaping." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 0 C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12025 [10:44:23] New patchset: Nikerabbit; "Use LinkBatch in SpecialManageGroups" [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12354 [10:50:47] New patchset: Nikerabbit; "(bug 37760) Fixed compatibility with MW 1.19" [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12355 [10:51:07] 03(mod) Attempting to translate a page into a non-permitted language results in 500 error rather than clean error - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37760 +comment (10Niklas Laxström) [10:52:17] 03(NEW) handle action=edit nicely - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37772 normal; MediaWiki extensions: WikidataRepo; (daniel.kinzler) [10:53:01] 03(mod) Remove edit tab when the page shows an item - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37541 +comment (10Daniel Kinzler) [10:53:14] 03(mod) handle action=edit nicely - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37772 +comment (10Daniel Kinzler) [10:54:14] New patchset: Daniel Werner; "cleaned up startup, which is using jQuery( document ).ready() now. patch-set 1: changed jQuery usage in outer closure into $" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12028 [10:58:44] 03(NEW) Difficult to distinguish mobile site feedback from mobile app feedback - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37717 normal; MediaWiki extensions: MobileFrontend; (jrobson) [11:03:37] 03(mod) enable jenkins for wikidata extensions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37050 +comment (10Daniel Kinzler) [11:04:02] New patchset: Szymon Świerkosz; "(bug 13953) Allow global user CSS/JS." [mediawiki/extensions/CentralAuth] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/7274 [11:09:41] New patchset: Drecodeam; "Added functions to check the license of the image input by the user." [mediawiki/extensions/UploadWizard] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12356 [11:11:28] 03(mod) [UserRights] - The order of the checkboxes suddenly changed for no reason - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37584 +comment (10Marcin Cieślak) [11:14:04] 03(mod) Uselang parameter should recognize non-existing languages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37459 minor->normal; +comment (10denny vrandecic) [11:17:07] 03(mod) RecentChanges shows a misleading byte difference - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37753 +comment (10Nikola Smolenski) [11:21:14] 03raymond * 10/trunk/translatewiki/MediaWiki/mediawiki-defines.txt: Register new extension per https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/12148/ [11:26:52] New patchset: saper; "(bug 31885) CheckUser ARIN WHOIS link broken" [mediawiki/extensions/CheckUser] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12357 [11:28:24] 03(ASSIGNED) CheckUser WHOIS link broken - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31885 +comment (10Marcin Cieślak) [11:28:38] New review: Daniel Werner; "True, but then again, it is general information related to the extension, its content is not modifie..." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 0 C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11999 [11:29:47] 03(mod) Compatibility with MediaWiki 1.19 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37693 (10jb.renaux) [11:32:25] New patchset: Nikerabbit; "Bug 37705 - ucfirst for sidebar interlanguage links" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11949 [11:33:31] 04(REOPENED) Add French and Italian Wikibooks as an import source at Vietnamese Wikibooks - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37457 +comment (10AmieKim) [11:34:07] 03(NEW) Show type of change in the History/Watchlist - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37773 normal; MediaWiki extensions: WikidataRepo; (raimond.spekking) [11:34:29] New review: jenkins-bot; "Build Successful " [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 1 C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11949 [11:34:39] New review: Nikerabbit; "Removed ugly ternary, used wgLang although it doesn't make any difference. I also disagree with Sieb..." [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11949 [11:39:05] New review: Siebrand; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master); V: 0 C: -1; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12354 [11:41:14] New review: Siebrand; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master); V: 0 C: -1; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12355 [11:44:27] New patchset: Nikerabbit; "Use LinkBatch in SpecialManageGroups" [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12354 [11:45:11] New review: Siebrand; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11949 [11:45:14] New patchset: Nikerabbit; "(bug 37760) Fixed compatibility with MW 1.19" [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12355 [11:46:42] New review: Siebrand; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master); V: 1 C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12354 [11:46:46] Change merged: Siebrand; [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12354 [11:47:06] 03(mod) mobile veiw has problem with image direct on rtl wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37769 +comment (10reza1615) [11:47:17] New patchset: GWicke; "Improve nested definition list serialization" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12358 [11:48:08] New review: Siebrand; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master); V: 1 C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12355 [11:48:10] Change merged: Siebrand; [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12355 [11:48:33] 03(mod) Render interlanguage links in sidebar ucfirst per context language rules - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37705 +comment (10Nemo_bis) [11:52:35] Hello. What is the best way to display source-code in a media-wiki? If I embedd it into tags, I loose all linebreaks, any hints? [11:53:02] <_Meow> Elirips: Do you want syntax highlight? [11:53:18] <_Meow> If not, just wrap it in 
[11:55:11] 	 if so, it's http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:GeSHiHighlight
[11:55:37] <_Meow>	 @regsearch highlight
[11:55:37] 	 Results (Found 2): highlight, syntaxhighlight, 
[11:55:42] <_Meow>	 !highlight
[11:55:43] 	 There are several extensions for syntax highlighting, see http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Category:Syntax_highlighting - the most popular one is at http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:SyntaxHighlight_GeSHi
[11:56:30] 	 03(mod) Users blocked on any wiki should not be able to use SUL automatic account creation unless given proper permission to do so - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37765  +comment (10Krenair)
[11:57:23] 	 Elirips: the source code will use a small font size ; if you wish a decent font size, you can add in [[MediaWiki:Common.css]] the following css declaration: pre { font-size: 1.375em; }
[11:58:24] 	 Elirips: if you use the GeSHi extension _Meow pointed to you, you could be interested by this CSS fragment: http://pastebin.espace-win.org/23532
[11:59:21] 	 New patchset: Tobias Gritschacher; "selenium: added documentation following RDoc specification" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12359
[12:04:20] 	 03(NEW) Improving JavaScript structures for widget developers - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37774 normal; MediaWiki extensions: WikidataRepo; (Danweetz)
[12:04:31] 	 03(mod) Replace LogPage::logName - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37638   +testme; +comment (10Dereckson)
[12:04:49] 	 New review: Jens Ohlig; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12359
[12:04:51] 	 Change merged: Jens Ohlig; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12359
[12:05:08] 	 _Meow, Dereckson: Thanks for the tipps, I'll test what looks best
[12:05:30] <_Meow>	 Elirips: You're welcom
[12:05:34] <_Meow>	 *welcome
[12:15:50] 	 03(mod) Simple language switcher - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36424  +comment (10denny vrandecic)
[12:20:35] 	 03(mod) Simple language switcher - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36424  +comment (10denny vrandecic)
[12:21:03] 	 New patchset: Siebrand; "Improved hiding of blacklisted groups on Special:LangaugeStats." [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12360
[12:22:19] 	 New review: Siebrand; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11949
[12:22:24] 	 Change merged: Siebrand; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11949
[12:22:45] 	 03(mod) Fixes for Extension:Lockdown dependency changes - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37652  +comment (10Dereckson)
[12:23:34] 	 New review: Lupo; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/UploadWizard] (master) C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12356
[12:27:09] 	 03(NEW) namespace prefices case at search - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37775 minor; MediaWiki: Search; (ignatus31oct)
[12:27:25] 	 03(mod) Site links to some wikipedias can't be added. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37625  +comment (10denny vrandecic)
[12:27:46] 	 03(mod) iOS saved pages bug on upgrade from iOS 3.1.2 to iOS 3.2 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37761  +comment (10Yuvi Panda)
[12:27:58] 	 03(ASSIGNED) Site links to some wikipedias can't be added. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37625  +comment (10denny vrandecic)
[12:28:47] 	 03(FIXED) Resolve pretty URLs based on Wikipedia titles to the appropriate pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36419  +comment (10denny vrandecic)
[12:29:09] 	 03(ASSIGNED) Simple language switcher - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36424  +comment (10denny vrandecic)
[12:33:57] 	 03(mod) Caching for phase I - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36427  +comment (10denny vrandecic)
[12:35:25] 	 03(mod) Handle item deletion in secondary storage - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36428  +comment (10denny vrandecic)
[12:35:55] 	 03(mod) Handle item deletion in secondary storage - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36428   +testme (10denny vrandecic)
[12:36:16] 	 03(ASSIGNED) Secondary and primary storage go out of sync on constraint violation in secondary storage - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36431  (10denny vrandecic)
[12:37:07] 	 03(ASSIGNED) Normalize titles and namespaces - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36432   +testme; +comment (10denny vrandecic)
[12:37:56] 	 New patchset: Ryan Lane; "Set domain in the user's options" [mediawiki/extensions/LdapAuthentication] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12361
[12:38:07] 	 New review: Nikerabbit; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12360
[12:38:09] 	 Change merged: Nikerabbit; [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12360
[12:39:28] 	 03(mod) Internationalization of error handling in the existing AJAX interfaces of the repo - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36436  summary (10denny vrandecic)
[12:41:10] 	 New patchset: GWicke; "Improve nested definition list serialization" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12358
[12:42:55] 	 New patchset: Dereckson; "(bug 37638) Remove calls to deprecated LogPage::logName method." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12362
[12:44:57] 	 New review: jenkins-bot; "Build Successful " [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 1 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12362
[12:45:29] 	 New review: Nikerabbit; "Commit message is missing summary line. Some missing spaces in foreach." [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12223
[12:46:20] 	 New review: Jeroen De Dauw; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/Maps] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12176
[12:46:21] 	 03(mod) Cannot purge manually when logged in - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37000  (10silke.meyer)
[12:46:23] 	 Change merged: Jeroen De Dauw; [mediawiki/extensions/Maps] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12176
[12:46:46] 	 hi
[12:47:34] 	 New review: Nikerabbit; "Whitespace check." [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12243
[12:49:39] 	 New patchset: Siebrand; "Respect CheckUser permissions when linking" [mediawiki/extensions/CheckUser] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11562
[12:50:01] 	 thanks Nikerabbit
[12:51:17] 	 New patchset: Siebrand; "Respect CheckUser permissions when linking" [mediawiki/extensions/CheckUser] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11562
[12:51:39] 	 for what?
[12:52:16] 	 New patchset: Dereckson; "(bug 37638) Remove calls to deprecated LogPage::logName method." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12362
[12:52:28] 	 03(mod) Setting labels should normalize some things, API should return the actual label on success - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36439  +comment (10denny vrandecic)
[12:52:45] 	 New review: Siebrand; "Patch set 6:" [mediawiki/extensions/CheckUser] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11562
[12:54:20] 	 New review: jenkins-bot; "Build Successful " [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 1 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12362
[12:54:35] 	 not so successful jenkins
[12:54:51] 	 there is a typo in a method name
[12:55:40] 	 New patchset: Dereckson; "(bug 37638) Remove calls to deprecated LogPage::logName method." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12362
[12:55:43] 	 03(FIXED) Wikidata Repo API - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36444  (10denny vrandecic)
[12:56:25] 	 03(mod) Replace LogPage::logName - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37638  +comment (10Dereckson)
[12:56:31] 	 03(FIXED) UI for editing Wikipedia links - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36445  (10denny vrandecic)
[12:57:06] 	 do you know if WikiEditor can be used directly as a WYSIWYG?
[12:57:25] <_Meow>	 edmont: I don't think so
[12:57:45] 	 New review: jenkins-bot; "Build Successful " [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 1 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12362
[12:58:07] 	 03(FIXED) Unit tests for existing code in the repo - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36446  +comment (10denny vrandecic)
[12:58:32] 	 03(FIXED) Unit tests for existing code in the client - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36447  +comment (10denny vrandecic)
[12:58:34] 	 03(NEW) api should delete things when set to an empty value. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37776 normal; MediaWiki extensions: WikidataRepo; (daniel.kinzler)
[12:58:49] 	 03(FIXED) Access data by site and title - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36448  (10denny vrandecic)
[12:59:09] 	 03(FIXED) Prevent moves of Wikidata items - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36449  (10denny vrandecic)
[12:59:33] 	 03(FIXED) Content handler for different types of wiki content - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36450  (10denny vrandecic)
[12:59:33] 	 03(mod) Remove direct calls to Database::query() and use inbuilt methods instead. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/26670  summary (10Dereckson)
[13:00:12] 	 New patchset: Ryan Lane; "Simplifying domain getting/setting" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12363
[13:00:29] 	 03(NEW) Database abstraction layer prevents reading of complex structures. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37777 blocker; MediaWiki extensions: Semantic MediaWiki; (kim)
[13:00:49] 	 Do you hate the "No nova credentials for your account" bug in labsconsole? Then you should review https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12363 !
[13:02:17] 	 New review: jenkins-bot; "Build Successful " [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 1 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12363
[13:02:24] 	 and https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/12361/1
[13:07:51] 	 03(mod) URL Encoding affecting titles with spaces - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36986  +comment (10denny vrandecic)
[13:07:52] 	 03(mod) Normalize titles and namespaces - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36432  (10denny vrandecic)
[13:10:50] 	 03(mod) URL Encoding affecting titles with spaces - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36986  +comment (10denny vrandecic)
[13:11:13] 	 03(mod) URL Encoding affecting titles with spaces - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36986  normal->trivial (10denny vrandecic)
[13:17:19] 	 03(NEW) Enable LiquidThreads on fi.wikiMedia.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37778 normal; Wikimedia: Extension setup; (niklas.laxstrom)
[13:18:01] 	 03(mod) Session failure - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37227  +comment (10denny vrandecic)
[13:18:19] 	 03(mod) Undefined constant NS_MODULE/NS_MODULE_TALK - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37641  +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[13:19:36] 	 New review: GWicke; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master); V: 0 C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12332
[13:20:43] 	 03(mod) Session failure - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37227  +comment (10denny vrandecic)
[13:21:15] 	 03(ASSIGNED) Automatically log changes to an item in the revision history - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37497  (10denny vrandecic)
[13:21:34] 	 03(mod) Automatically created edit summaries to an item in the revision history - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37497  summary (10denny vrandecic)
[13:21:54] 	 New review: saper; "Thank you, Siebrand!" [mediawiki/extensions/CheckUser] (master) C: 1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11562
[13:22:28] <_Meow>	 What is the best way to display a literal "<" in MediaWiki math?
[13:22:55] 	 03(ASSIGNED) Enable LiquidThreads on fi.wikiMedia.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37778  +comment (10Dereckson)
[13:23:03] 	 and ampersand
[13:23:06] <_Meow>	 MathJax accepts only "\lt", while png rendering complains about unknown function "\lt"
[13:24:41] 	 New review: Demon; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12363
[13:24:43] 	 Change merged: Demon; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12363
[13:24:49] 	 03(ASSIGNED) Add an edit link to the languages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37633  (10denny vrandecic)
[13:25:26] 	 03(mod) Several history entries for the same content - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37225  +comment (10Richard Guk)
[13:27:24] 	 werdna: we've a request to install LiquidThreads on fi.wikimedia.org (Finnish chapter site). Could we work on that?
[13:27:43] <_Meow>	 Is LiquidThreads usable now?
[13:27:46] 	 No.
[13:28:06] <_Meow>	 Um...
[13:28:08] 	 But they still want it, and it's a chapter, not a Wikimedia wiki, I think it's not our business.
[13:28:16] 	 New review: Netbrain; "This is ready for review." [mediawiki/extensions/Maps] (master) C: 1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12170
[13:28:19] 	 but theirs to evaluate if they want a not functionnal extension
[13:28:30] <_Meow>	 zh.wiki wanted LQT, too
[13:28:40] 	 zh.wikipedia is a Wikimedia project, fi.wikimedia isn't
[13:28:59] 	 _Meow: and do you know any WYSIWYG editor that can be used with Mediawiki  1.19?
[13:29:09] 	 03(ASSIGNED) Display the label of an item in the Recent Changes - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37634  (10denny vrandecic)
[13:29:34] <_Meow>	 edmont: I think WikEd counts as a semi-WYSIWYG editor
[13:29:58] 	 _Meow: yes, semi :)
[13:30:16] 	 but i want to draw tables in a visual way
[13:30:32] <_Meow>	 Tables... Um
[13:30:39] 	 03(mod) Uploads sometimes are incomplete: file is there, but image page is missing - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/15430  +comment (10mabdul)
[13:30:41] 	 New patchset: GWicke; "Improve nested definition list serialization" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12358
[13:30:44] <_Meow>	 Maybe, export MediaWiki code from MS Word?
[13:30:50] 	 i used FCKeditor previously, but it seems to be outdated
[13:31:44] 	 New patchset: Raimond Spekking; "Remove dot from description message for consistency" [mediawiki/extensions/EtherEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12364
[13:31:50] 	 Dereckson: fi.wikimedia.org isn't wmf project? since when
[13:31:53] 	 edmont: openoffice with wikitext export
[13:32:00] 	 New patchset: Reedy; "Add a few bits of method documentation" [mediawiki/extensions/AbuseFilter] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12365
[13:32:03] 	 _Meow: my position is the Wikimedia development community should take an active counselling role about what is or not usable on wikis ; but for Wikimedia chapters site, we could relax our standard a little bit as long as it doesn't impact on our infrastructure
[13:32:15] 	 petan: since it's a Wikimedia Finland project, and chapters are independant from WMF
[13:32:36] 	 Dereckson: it lives on production cluster that makes it a wmf wiki
[13:33:08] 	 Absolutely, it's why I added "as long as it doesn't impact on our infrastructure"
[13:33:16] 	 (for "it lives on production cluster")
[13:33:30] 	 (that only makes it a wmf-hosted wiki)
[13:33:38] 	 (well... you could say the same for other wikis)
[13:34:11] 	 I don't know what you guys are talking about, I just commented on "it's not wmf wiki"
[13:34:22] 	 petan: fi.wikimedia.org would like to have LQT
[13:34:27] 	 Dereckson: Odds are if the devs say its broken, its not wise to install
[13:34:37] 	 Dereckson: they can have it
[13:34:47] 	 Dereckson: it's reviewed sw which is already running on cluster
[13:35:00] 	 hi, i'm using mw 1.17.0. is there a way to see which messages are in the message cache?
[13:35:08] 	 Betacommand: if it was broken , we wouldn't run it
[13:35:18] 	 it's not perfect, but it doesn't cause troubles
[13:35:30] 	 Betacommand: yes, but as they're a chapter and not a Wikipedia/Wikiquote/Wikinews/... project, if they know it's broken and are fine with that, I see no objection to enable it 
[13:35:51] 	 in fact I wouldn't see problem if some wikipedia wanted to have it
[13:35:52] 	 it's a matter of "broken" definition I think
[13:35:57] 	 hi chombium 
[13:36:13] 	 chombium: message cache is ugly, are you sure?
[13:36:21] 	 you want to see it
[13:36:28] 	 I think you don't want to see it :P
[13:36:48] 	 @search cache
[13:36:48] 	 werdna: put you as reviewer on Gerrit, so you can take care of database stuff 
[13:36:48] 	 Results (Found 6): cache, f5, filecache, memcached, purge, refresh, 
[13:37:02] 	 !cache
[13:37:02] 	 General information about caches can be seen at , for configuration settings see 
[13:37:25] 	 it's weird we don't have so much about messages here
[13:37:40] 	 petan: I have an old 1.11.2 wiki which I'm upgrading, and I'm missing some messages which should be in the message cache
[13:38:00] 	 chombium: I recommend you to clean all caches after upgrade
[13:38:35] 	 php maintenance/rebuildLocalizationCache.php :P
[13:38:40] 	 03(mod) Enable LiquidThreads on fi.wikiMedia.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37778  +comment (10Dereckson)
[13:39:03] 	 03(mod) Enable LiquidThreads on fi.wikiMedia.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37778   +shell; +comment (10Dereckson)
[13:39:40] 	 petan: I did clean the cache, that's why I'm missing them :)
[13:39:52] 	 rebuild should put it back
[13:40:19] 	 petan: how do I rebuild the message cache?
[13:40:31] 	 php maintenance/rebuildLocalizationCache.php
[13:45:56] 	 03(mod) Please create namespaces in kannada wiki source (kn:wikisource) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37676  -shellpolicy +shell; +comment (10Dereckson)
[13:46:05] 	 03(ASSIGNED) Prefix search over all labels and aliases - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37635  +comment (10denny vrandecic)
[13:47:01] 	 New review: Jeroen De Dauw; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/Maps] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12170
[13:47:05] 	 Change merged: Jeroen De Dauw; [mediawiki/extensions/Maps] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12170
[13:47:33] 	 03(mod) Search over all labels and aliases - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37635  summary (10denny vrandecic)
[13:48:39] 	 03(mod) Search over all labels and aliases - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37635  +comment (10denny vrandecic)
[13:49:34] 	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Improve tests for Sites class and fixed a bug found by them :)" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12367
[13:49:59] 	 14(DUP) Block notice on Special:Contributions still remain after block has expired - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31893  +comment (10Marcin Cieślak)
[13:50:01] 	 03(mod) Fails on user.php - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/3841  +comment (10Marcin Cieślak)
[13:50:11] 	 03(mod) Block notice on Special:Contributions still remain after block has expired - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31893  +comment (10Marcin Cieślak)
[13:50:13] 	 03(mod) Remove autoblocks when a user is unblocked - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/5445  +comment (10Marcin Cieślak)
[13:50:59] 	 03(ASSIGNED) InstantCommons doesn't display DjVu on some installs - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37764  +comment (10Chris McMahon)
[13:52:58] 	 03raymond *  10/trunk/translatewiki/MediaWiki/mediawiki-defines.txt: Register new extension per https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/11012/
[13:53:49] 	 03(mod) Use database form for encoding Titles in URLs - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36986  summary (10denny vrandecic)
[13:53:49] 	 New review: Siebrand; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/EtherEditor] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12364
[13:53:54] 	 Change merged: Siebrand; [mediawiki/extensions/EtherEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12364
[13:54:10] 	 03(mod) wbgetitems add an optional parameter so that full url is returned for sitelinks (like iwurl/llurl on other modules) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37306  (10denny vrandecic)
[13:54:11] 	 03(mod) Use database form for encoding Titles in URLs - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36986  (10denny vrandecic)
[13:55:31] 	 New review: Hashar; "No sure why user_option table is used instead of $_SESSION." [mediawiki/extensions/LdapAuthentication] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12361
[13:55:36] 	 03(mod) Block notice when editing talk page of blocked user doesn't go away after block expires - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/27858  +comment (10Marcin Cieślak)
[13:56:23] 	 03(mod) Display labels in special pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37312  (10denny vrandecic)
[13:56:23] 	 03(mod) Display the label of an item in the Recent Changes - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37634  (10denny vrandecic)
[13:58:11] 	 petan: thanks for the help
[13:58:19] 	 03(mod) Uselang parameter should recognize non-existing languages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37459  (10denny vrandecic)
[13:58:24] 	 chombium: yw
[14:03:32] 	 New review: Siebrand; "Krinkle?" [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/8991
[14:03:53] 	 03(mod) not obvious you can only add links to existing articles - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37509  +comment (10denny vrandecic)
[14:04:26] 	 03(mod) not obvious you can only add links to existing articles - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37509  (10denny vrandecic)
[14:04:27] 	 03(mod) Implement new Wikidata user interface design - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37771  (10denny vrandecic)
[14:15:58] 	 03(mod) Session failure - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37227  (10denny vrandecic)
[14:16:22] 	 03(mod) WikiData RTL / BiDi tracker bug - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36637  (10denny vrandecic)
[14:21:33] 	 03(mod) Caching for phase I - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36427  (10denny vrandecic)
[14:22:59] 	 New review: Ryan Lane; "$_SESSION was previously used. As mentioned in the reply to the comments, it doesn't persist when a ..." [mediawiki/extensions/LdapAuthentication] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12361
[14:23:03] 	 hashar: ^^
[14:23:20] 	 03(mod) Display labels in special pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37312  +comment (10Nikola Smolenski)
[14:23:58] 	 New patchset: Nikerabbit; "Fix fuzzying with old schame" [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12368
[14:24:18] 	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Fix fatal error on Special:ItemByLabel and wrote a test to find such errors" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12369
[14:24:33] 	 New patchset: Ryan Lane; "Set domain in the user's options" [mediawiki/extensions/LdapAuthentication] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12361
[14:24:48] 	 hashar: I just pushed a patchset to change the option set
[14:24:52] 	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Nicified test registration to match whats in the lib" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12370
[14:25:36] 	 Ryan_Lane: hello :)
[14:26:17] 	 Ryan_Lane:  I guess my issue is understanding the long live token :-D
[14:26:30] 	 the long lived token is set by mediawiki
[14:26:33] 	 it's a cookie
[14:26:46] 	 if you don't have a valid session, but have a token, it gives you a new session
[14:26:48] 	 and logs you in
[14:27:10] 	 that is done automatically?
[14:27:10] 	 a new session means all old session set variables are gone
[14:27:14] 	 which includes the domain
[14:27:15] 	 then you end up having no domain
[14:27:24] 	 if you click "remember me", then you get a token
[14:27:26] 	 otherwise you don't
[14:27:37] 	 oookkk
[14:27:47] 	 remember me is always a fun one.
[14:28:09] 	 I thought that if you had a token but the session was gone, you were not going to get a new session
[14:28:18] 	 and would be prompted a "log in please" form
[14:28:25] 	 so your patch makes more sense to me now :)
[14:28:36] 	 New patchset: Jay Huggins; "(bug 37063) misc improvements to SquidPurgeClient" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12243
[14:29:43] 	 Ryan_Lane: the last question is removing getSessionDomain()  .  It would cause back compatibility issues with third parties extensions
[14:29:46] 	 14(WFM) Cannot purge manually when logged in - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37000  (10denny vrandecic)
[14:30:00] 	 hashar: not really
[14:30:07] 	 I doubt any extensions are using it
[14:30:13] 	 it's not in AuthPlugin
[14:30:20] 	 it was a function specific to LdapAuthentication
[14:30:28] 	 and it was introduced like a month ago or so
[14:30:32] 	 ohh
[14:30:34] 	 fine so
[14:30:36] 	 Ryan_Lane: merging
[14:30:39] 	 thanks
[14:30:43] 	 did you review the core change?
[14:30:45] 	 New review: jenkins-bot; "Build Successful " [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 1 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12243
[14:31:10] 	 14(DUP) Defaults for summary when setting values through API - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36732  +comment (10denny vrandecic)
[14:31:11] 	 03(mod) Automatically created edit summaries to an item in the revision history - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37497  +comment (10denny vrandecic)
[14:31:11] 	 it's not a terribly intrusive change
[14:31:12] 	 New review: Tobias Gritschacher; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12369
[14:31:20] 	 and it almost definitely only affects LdapAuthentication
[14:31:35] 	 I don't think any other extensions use domain
[14:32:08] 	 Ryan_Lane: core was merged by Chad I think
[14:32:15] 	 oh. cool
[14:33:07] 	 ohh ldapdomain
[14:33:14] 	 well 
[14:33:34] 	 we should get a policy about adding new user options :-]  something like  ext-ldapauthentication-
[14:33:38] 	 New review: Hashar; "I have clarified my objections with Ryan over IRC:" [mediawiki/extensions/LdapAuthentication] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12361
[14:33:40] 	 Change merged: Hashar; [mediawiki/extensions/LdapAuthentication] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12361
[14:33:43] 	 but I am not going to write any today :-]
[14:33:55] 	 Ryan_Lane: go update labsconsole now :-]
[14:33:56] 	 heh
[14:33:59] 	 (please)
[14:34:10] 	 well, the core changes I need to apply manually
[14:34:12] 	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Updated test registration in client to match lib and repo" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12371
[14:34:15] 	 the ldap one i can just pull
[14:36:03] 	 New review: Tobias Gritschacher; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12367
[14:36:05] 	 Change merged: Tobias Gritschacher; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12369
[14:36:06] 	 Change merged: Tobias Gritschacher; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12367
[14:38:13] 	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Get rid of duplicated maintenance script - this is an old version of deleteAllData.php" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12372
[14:39:13] 	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Fix path of maintenance script after merging of extensions into one repo" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12373
[14:39:40] 	 03(mod) Site links to some wikipedias can't be added. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37625  (10denny vrandecic)
[14:39:50] 	 03(ASSIGNED) Site links to some wikipedias can't be added. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37625  (10denny vrandecic)
[14:40:20] 	 New patchset: Santhosh; "Basic language selector" [mediawiki/extensions/UniversalLanguageSelector] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11984
[14:41:58] 	 New review: Santhosh; "Some more UI tweaks. Moved the default search out of show method to speed up show method. Doing a em..." [mediawiki/extensions/UniversalLanguageSelector] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11984
[14:42:24] 	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Cleanup of PopulateInterwiki maintenance script" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12374
[14:42:30] 	 New review: Siebrand; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12368
[14:42:32] 	 Change merged: Siebrand; [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12368
[14:42:34] 	 New review: Santhosh; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/UniversalLanguageSelector] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11984
[14:42:37] 	 Change merged: Santhosh; [mediawiki/extensions/UniversalLanguageSelector] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11984
[14:46:19] 	 New patchset: GWicke; "Fix definition list parsing and round-trip single vs. multi-line dt/dd" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12375
[14:50:28] 	 New review: Aude; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12374
[14:50:28] 	 Change merged: Aude; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12374
[14:51:06] 	 New review: Aude; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12373
[14:51:08] 	 Change merged: Aude; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12373
[14:54:18] 	 New review: Aude; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12371
[14:54:20] 	 Change merged: Aude; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12371
[14:54:28] 	 03(WONTFIX) Create or update the REL1_19 branch - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37153  +comment (10Ryan Lane)
[15:03:20] 	 03(NEW) (ContentHandler) make ApiEditPage aware of ContentHandler - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37779 normal; MediaWiki extensions: WikidataRepo; (daniel.kinzler)
[15:04:05] 	 New review: Nikerabbit; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/UniversalLanguageSelector] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11984
[15:07:01] 	 03(ASSIGNED) (ContentHandler) use symbolic names for content models and formats in the database - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37746  (10Daniel Kinzler)
[15:07:10] 	 may my Git username contain spaces?
[15:07:23] 	 03(ASSIGNED) (ContentHandler) make ApiEditPage aware of ContentHandler - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37779  (10Daniel Kinzler)
[15:07:57] 	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Added missing placeholder in default site info" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12379
[15:07:59] 	 hexmode, sumanah, Reedy: i've commented re: bot activity on wikitech-l, if it's of interest: http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2012-June/061307.html
[15:08:36] 	 New patchset: GWicke; "Fix definition list parsing and round-trip single vs. multi-line dt/dd" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12375
[15:10:07] 	 New patchset: GWicke; "Fix definition list parsing and round-trip single vs. multi-line dt/dd" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12375
[15:11:13] 	 03(mod) "specify site" may be changed to "language" and "specify page" to "article" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37543  +comment (10denny vrandecic)
[15:12:33] 	 03(NEW) Concept page unsuable - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37780 normal; MediaWiki extensions: Semantic MediaWiki; (dasch)
[15:12:34] 	 03(ASSIGNED) Remove direct calls to Database::query() and use inbuilt methods instead. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/26670  +comment (10Dereckson)
[15:15:18] 	 03(mod) Can't show old revisions of Wikibase Items - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37681  (10denny vrandecic)
[15:15:19] 	 03(mod) ItemViewAction should use Article::view - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37682  (10denny vrandecic)
[15:16:24] 	 03(NEW) Namespace Translation broken - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37781 major; MediaWiki extensions: Widgets; (dasch)
[15:16:35] 	 03(NEW) User creation on site db initialization should be logged - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37782 normal; MediaWiki: Installer; (liangent)
[15:16:59] 	 03(mod) (ContentHandler) make ApiEditPage aware of ContentHandler - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37779  (10Daniel Kinzler)
[15:17:00] 	 03(mod) Content handler for different types of wiki content - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36450  (10Daniel Kinzler)
[15:17:19] 	 03(mod) (ContentHandler) use symbolic names for content models and formats in the database - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37746  (10Daniel Kinzler)
[15:17:22] 	 03(mod) Content handler for different types of wiki content - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36450  (10Daniel Kinzler)
[15:19:14] 	 03(mod) Namespace Translation broken - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37781  +comment (10DaSch)
[15:19:19] 	 03(NEW) Namespace Translation broken - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37783 normal; MediaWiki extensions: Maps; (dasch)
[15:21:14] 	 03(FIXED) Some actions not appearing in "view activity" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37548  (10Yoni Shostak)
[15:22:28] 	 03(mod) Article Feedback - Reply to this post - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37574  normal->15enhancement (10Yoni Shostak)
[15:22:33] 	 03(mod) detect edit conflicts on data items - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37685  +comment (10denny vrandecic)
[15:23:11] 	 New patchset: Jarry1250; "Create new SVGMessageGroup to enable SVG translation" [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (translatesvg) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/9762
[15:24:19] 	 04(REOPENED) Content handler for different types of wiki content - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36450  +comment (10Daniel Kinzler)
[15:25:48] 	 03(mod) Article Feedback Tool - Font Sizes - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37025  normal->15enhancement; +comment (10Yoni Shostak)
[15:25:53] 	 New review: Jarry1250; "@Amire: I think patchset 5 resolves all your inlines, with the possible exception of the one about c..." [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (translatesvg) C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/9762
[15:26:12] 	 03(mod) Article Feedback - Automated Notifications with Positive Feedback - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37581  normal->15enhancement (10Yoni Shostak)
[15:26:15] 	 03(ASSIGNED) Prevent direct editing of JSON via the APIs edit action - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37689  (10Daniel Kinzler)
[15:26:16] 	 03(mod) (ContentHandler) make ApiEditPage aware of ContentHandler - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37779  (10Daniel Kinzler)
[15:27:15] 	 03(mod) Avoid modal behavior in "Improve this page" link at the toolbar - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37631  normal->15enhancement (10Yoni Shostak)
[15:30:41] 	 03(ASSIGNED) Use operations/mediawiki-config gerrit repo for beta - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37161  +comment (10Antoine "hashar" Musso)
[15:33:52] 	 03(FIXED) thumbnail extraction for videos needs newer ffmpeg - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37217  +comment (10Antoine "hashar" Musso)
[15:34:06] 	 New review: Jarry1250; "Had a brief flick through:" [mediawiki/core] (master) C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/7826
[15:34:37] 	 New patchset: Tobias Gritschacher; "quick & dirty fix for broken sitelinks; still needs to be improved;" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12383
[15:34:37] 	 New patchset: GWicke; "Fix definition list parsing and round-trip single vs. multi-line dt/dd" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12375
[15:35:31] 	 New patchset: Matthias Mullie; "Bug 37707 - Scale AFT tables to support 10% deploy" [mediawiki/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12385
[15:35:42] 	 03(NEW) Feedback form option 6 presentation wrong in overlay mode - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37784 normal; MediaWiki extensions: ArticleFeedbackv5; (yoni)
[15:35:55] 	 03(FIXED) migrates Apaches boxes to precise - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37500  +comment (10Antoine "hashar" Musso)
[15:36:01] 	 03(mod) Feedback form option 6 presentation wrong in overlay mode - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37784   +aftv5-1.5 (10Yoni Shostak)
[15:37:57] 	 03(WONTFIX) Pubkeys for svn.wikimedia.org should draw updates from NovaKey - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/32225  +comment (10Ryan Lane)
[15:38:21] 	 New review: GWicke; "Merging after review with Subbu" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12375
[15:38:30] 	 03(mod) Warning: ldap_start_tls(): Unable to start TLS: Can't contact LDAP server in LdapAuthentication.php on line 577 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33696  +comment (10Ryan Lane)
[15:38:45] 	 New review: GWicke; "Merging after review with Subbu" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12358
[15:38:58] 	 New review: GWicke; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12351
[15:39:15] 	 New review: GWicke; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12350
[15:39:17] 	 Change merged: GWicke; [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12375
[15:39:18] 	 Change merged: GWicke; [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12358
[15:39:19] 	 Change merged: GWicke; [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12351
[15:39:20] 	 Change merged: GWicke; [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12350
[15:40:46] 	 03(NEW) Feedback page - after first action on a post the "view activity" link is still disabled - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37785 minor; MediaWiki extensions: ArticleFeedbackv5; (yoni)
[15:40:58] 	 03(mod) Feedback page - after first action on a post the "view activity" link is still disabled - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37785  (10Yoni Shostak)
[15:41:47] 	 New patchset: Yaron Koren; "Changed '!==' to '!=' for 'distributionlimit' check - use of '!==' always seems to cause problems" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12386
[15:43:51] 	 @add #mediawiki-feed
[15:43:51] 	 New patchset: Eranroz; "AJAXify watchlist editor" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/9979
[15:44:02] 	 New patchset: Hashar; "(bug 36597) use PNG to render PDF thumbnails" [mediawiki/extensions/PdfHandler] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/6802
[15:44:08] 	 New review: jenkins-bot; "Build Failed " [mediawiki/core] (master); V: -1 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/9979
[15:44:24] 	 @recentchanges-off
[15:44:24] 	 Feed disabled
[15:47:17] 	 New review: Hashar; "Patchset 2 rephrase commit message." [mediawiki/extensions/PdfHandler] (master); V: 0 C: 1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/6802
[15:48:39] 	 petan: will wikibugs stay here?
[15:48:40] 	 New patchset: Matthias Mullie; "Bug 37707 - Scale AFT tables to support 10% deploy" [mediawiki/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12385
[15:48:51] 	 Betacommand: I hope not :P
[15:49:08] 	 I would prefer to move ALL bots except for interactive bots
[15:49:13] 	 like !seen etc
[15:49:21] 	 or infobot
[15:49:40] 	 but it's up to their operators
[15:50:43] 	 petan: isn't that what rss feeds are for
[15:50:53] 	 Krenair, Betacommand I have to go now, do you want +f so that you can configure access list?
[15:51:07] 	 ori-l: not all services we have do support rss
[15:51:15] 	 03(mod) Switch from jpeg to png for thumbnailing pdfs - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36597  +comment (10Antoine "hashar" Musso)
[15:51:32] 	 petan: ok
[15:51:35] 	 petan: I have little access to the bots
[15:52:33] 	 ok done for both
[15:52:34] 	 New review: Jeroen De Dauw; "Why did the old code not work? What value did it get? An empty string? Null? In either case we shoul..." [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master); V: 0 C: -2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12386
[15:52:35] 	 gtg
[15:52:56] 	 New review: Umherirrender; "Why the mediawiki api needs a way to set the notification timestamp to a user provided value? In my ..." [mediawiki/core] (master) C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11965
[15:54:11] 	 03(mod) (ContentHandler) use symbolic names for content models and formats in the database - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37746  +comment (10Daniel Kinzler)
[15:55:27] 	 03(mod) Scale AFT tables to support 10% deploy - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37707  +comment (10Matthias Mullie)
[15:58:12] 	 New review: Umherirrender; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/core] (master) C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11740
[15:59:12] 	 New review: Jeroen De Dauw; "Next time please put in actual todos in the code for the stuff that should still be taken care off :)" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12383
[15:59:14] 	 Change merged: Jeroen De Dauw; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12383
[16:00:08] 	 Change abandoned: Jarry1250; "Per a chat with Nikerabbit I'm going to recommit this change to a separate but dependent extension t..." [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (translatesvg) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/9762
[16:00:26] 	 Change abandoned: Jarry1250; "Per a chat with Nikerabbit I'm going to recommit this change to a separate but dependent extension t..." [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (translatesvg) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/9791
[16:01:07] 	 Change abandoned: Jarry1250; "Per a chat with Nikerabbit I'm going to recommit half this change to a separate but dependent extens..." [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (translatesvg) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/9794
[16:01:43] 	 Change abandoned: Jarry1250; "This is going to be rolled into a single change to a separate but dependent extension." [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (translatesvg) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/9846
[16:01:58] 	 New patchset: MarkAHershberger; "Update migrateUserGroup to deal with primary key issue" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12223
[16:04:02] 	 New review: jenkins-bot; "Build Successful " [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 1 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12223
[16:05:14] 	 New review: Dereckson; "rebasing to master" [mediawiki/core] (master) C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/9979
[16:11:46] 	 ^demon: I made a change to move bots to #mediawiki-feed https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12388
[16:12:57] 	 New patchset: Jarry1250; "Hollow out extension ready for repurposing." [mediawiki/extensions/TranslateSvg] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12390
[16:13:26] 	 New review: Jarry1250; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/TranslateSvg] (master); V: 0 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12390
[16:13:40] 	 New review: Jarry1250; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/TranslateSvg] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12390
[16:13:42] 	 Change merged: Jarry1250; [mediawiki/extensions/TranslateSvg] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12390
[16:14:16] <^demon>	 Can we let the discussion go on for a bit longer before we merge that?
[16:14:19] 	 New patchset: Dereckson; "AJAXify watchlist editor" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/9979
[16:14:23] 	 ^demon: sure.
[16:14:33] 	 ^demon: need to find out what to do with #mediawiki-codereview too
[16:14:37] 	 seems to be a dupe
[16:14:52] <^demon>	 Well, I don't know why we needed -feed, we already had -codereview.
[16:15:03] 	 maybe Petr doesn't know about it
[16:15:10] 	 -codereview is barely known
[16:15:18] 	 I have replied on wikitech-l stating that
[16:15:20] 	 03(mod) CustomUserSignup extension can't customize "MediaWiki:Fancycaptcha-createaccount" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/29230  (10MZMcBride)
[16:15:27] 	 03(mod) Template : Upon template delete, the gray area remains until next preview - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/22893  (10MZMcBride)
[16:15:34] 	 03(mod) Default access keys for custom namespaces - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/20126  (10MZMcBride)
[16:15:55] 	 New review: MarkTraceur; "Some good work! I have additional changes for you to make, but they're relatively quick. That being ..." [mediawiki/extensions/UploadWizard] (master) C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12356
[16:16:24] 	 New review: jenkins-bot; "Build Successful " [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 1 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/9979
[16:16:31] 	 ^demon: I also have a patch somewhere to split wikibugs stream (aka mobile product bugs notifications should go to #wikimedia-mobile), but I have trouble getting that perl script reviewed :-D
[16:18:13] 	 https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/9979/ <-- I see a Jenkins git rebase error in changeset 3 and fixed that in changeset 4. Should I do something special (like warn the person or add a 0 review comment "it's rebased" (but Jenkins output should be enough...) or am I done with my rebase fix wish?
[16:18:27] 	 I've seen ... and have fixed ...
[16:19:04] 	 New review: MarkTraceur; "Generally, follow the comments I made in your other change about code style. This change is a lot bi..." [mediawiki/extensions/UploadWizard] (master) C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12269
[16:20:52] 	 Dereckson: well Patchset 4 is a rebase that fix jenkins build
[16:21:09] 	 Dereckson: so you could just leave a message on change 9979 stating that :  Patchset 4 is a rebase fixing jenkins build
[16:21:48] 	 Dereckson: we will wait for original author anyway
[16:23:29] 	 New patchset: Eranroz; "AJAXify watchlist editor" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/9979
[16:23:37] 	 here he is :-]
[16:24:44] 	 it's buggy, a , is missing
[16:24:45] 	 hexmode``: around?
[16:25:26] 	 New review: Jens Ohlig; "Unable to run tests, although I cannot see why this patchset would make tests fail. Also: Consider a..." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 0 C: 1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12370
[16:25:38] 	 New review: Anomie; "> Why the mediawiki api needs a way to set the notification timestamp to a user provided value?" [mediawiki/core] (master) C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11965
[16:25:40] 	 New review: jenkins-bot; "Build Successful " [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 1 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/9979
[16:26:04] 	 03(NEW) CustomUserSignup extension breaks "log in" link when no title parameter is specified - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37786 normal; MediaWiki extensions: CustomUserSignup; (b)
[16:26:06] 	 I am out 
[16:26:09] 	 could jenkins easily do a php -l on each file?
[16:26:15] 	 03(mod) CustomUserSignup extension breaks "log in" link when no title parameter is specified - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37786  (10MZMcBride)
[16:26:30] 	 Dereckson: we do IIRC
[16:26:36] 	 hashar: nope
[16:26:47] 	 Dereckson: on mediawiki/core only though
[16:26:52] 	 See https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/9979/5/languages/messages/MessagesQqq.php in core
[16:26:57] <^demon>	 Better is doing it on changed files--doing the full repo can take awhile.
[16:27:12] 	 PHP Parse error:  syntax error, unexpected T_CONSTANT_ENCAPSED_STRING, expecting ')' in languages/messages/MessagesQqq.php on line 4304
[16:27:59] 	 bahh https://integration.mediawiki.org/ci/job/MediaWiki-Universal-Linter/1885/console
[16:28:05] 	 New patchset: Dereckson; "AJAXify watchlist editor" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/9979
[16:28:40] 	 Dereckson: can you please fill a bug in bugzilla copy pasting the links above ? 
[16:28:42] 	 cc me to it
[16:28:48] 	 I really need to get out right now sorry
[16:29:11] 	 New review: Dereckson; "Fixing syntax error (missing comma in qqq)" [mediawiki/core] (master) C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/9979
[16:29:15] 	 yep
[16:29:16] 	 ++
[16:29:18] 	 merci!
[16:29:19] 	 ++
[16:30:10] 	 New review: jenkins-bot; "Build Successful " [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 1 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/9979
[16:30:15] 	 New patchset: Jarry1250; "Create new SVGMessageGroup to enable SVG translation. [Phase 1]" [mediawiki/extensions/TranslateSvg] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12392
[16:32:11] 	 New patchset: Daniel Kinzler; "fix ApiSetItemTests by commenting out some tests that were using a non-existing data provider. needs follow-up" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12393
[16:33:17] 	 03(NEW) Uninstall CustomUserSignup extension from Wikimedia wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37787 normal; Wikimedia: Site configuration; (b)
[16:33:37] 	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Add tests for all of the special pages we has" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12394
[16:33:37] 	 03(mod) User creation on site db initialization should be logged - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37782  normal->15enhancement; +comment (10matanya)
[16:34:35] 	 matanya: yes?
[16:34:44] 	 my I pm you?
[16:34:51] 	 yes
[16:35:28] 	 New patchset: GWicke; "Support dt/dd transitions in the middle of the stack" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12395
[16:35:35] 	 New review: Jeroen De Dauw; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12393
[16:35:37] 	 Change merged: Jeroen De Dauw; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12393
[16:37:09] 	 ^demon|lunch: I don't think that -codereview fits to idea of all various feeds
[16:37:15] 	 New review: Daniel Kinzler; "please also rename the test classes accordingly" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12370
[16:37:18] 	 ^demon|lunch: but we can easily redirect that
[16:37:22] 	 :o
[16:37:35] 	 03(NEW) php-lint Jenkins target fails to detect PHP errors - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37788 normal; Wikimedia: Testing Infrastructure; (dereckson)
[16:38:12] 	 New review: Parent5446; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/core] (master) C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11063
[16:38:35] <^demon|lunch>	 I think using an existing channel is better than making a new one, even if the name's not perfect.
[16:38:48] 	 Why?
[16:38:59] * Dereckson  approves ^demon|lunch 
[16:39:05] 	 03(NEW) Bugs are assigned to departed Wikimedia staff - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37789 normal; Wikimedia: Bugzilla; (b)
[16:39:06] 	 If the existing channel name is not completely relevant to the content, make a new one
[16:39:17] <^demon|lunch>	 The name is no big deal...nobody's really going to complain that bugs are going to a channel called -codereview.
[16:39:23] 	 it's difficult for me to follow a lot of channels, I've already 62 windows (channels, bots and queries) opened on my irssi
[16:40:15] 	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Nicified test registration to match whats in the lib" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12370
[16:40:16] 	 New review: Jeroen De Dauw; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12370
[16:40:16] 	 Change merged: Jeroen De Dauw; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12370
[16:40:27] 	 as there are two bots in -codereview, wikibugs and gerrit-wm people can opt out for one of the two bots configuring an ignore of the relevant bot limited to one channel
[16:40:31] 	 I would complain simply because I said beforehand it shouldn't be in that channel.
[16:40:49] 	 New patchset: GWicke; "Support dt/dd transitions in the middle of the stack" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12395
[16:41:16] 	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Add tests for all of the special pages we has" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12394
[16:41:18] 	 03(mod) Bugs are assigned to departed Wikimedia staff - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37789  +comment (10Chad H.)
[16:41:38] 	 New review: GWicke; "Still plenty of time for major refactoring before the release!" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12395
[16:41:41] 	 Change merged: GWicke; [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12395
[16:41:49] 	 New patchset: Nischayn22; "Added DIHandlers Classes and required methods" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (storerewrite) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12397
[16:42:32] 	 ^demon|lunch: {{sofixit}}? ;)
[16:42:46] 	 New patchset: Jarry1250; "Create new SVGMessageGroup to enable SVG translation. [Phase 1]" [mediawiki/extensions/TranslateSvg] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12392
[16:43:01] <^demon|lunch>	 Maybe the reporter could fix it. Doesn't bother me :)
[16:43:17] 	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Renamed some test classes to match files names" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12398
[16:43:18] 	 yeah, that's what I meant
[16:43:59] 	 I'm trying to install mediawiki on wamp localhost, but when I click on the 'set up this wiki' link, it says that the page wasn't found
[16:44:00] 	 03(NEW) shop.wikimedia.org should be HTTPS only - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37790 normal; Wikimedia: Shop; (b)
[16:44:07] 	 Any ideas as to why this could be happening?
[16:44:40] 	 Change abandoned: Subramanya Sastry; "Not relevant anymore." [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12204
[16:44:44] 	 03(mod) Grey(gray) text in expandable sections for various pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37619  +comment (10Jon)
[16:44:51] 	 04(REOPENED) Grey(gray) text in expandable sections for various pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37619  (10Jon)
[16:44:51] 	 Krenair: bikehsedding
[16:45:03] 	 It's a channel name, who cares
[16:45:25] 	 Change abandoned: Subramanya Sastry; "Not relevant anymore.  These cases are covered by recent merged changes." [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12332
[16:46:53] 	 03(NEW) Wikimedia Shop login link is misplaced - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37791 normal; Wikimedia: Shop; (b)
[16:47:21] 	 New patchset: Jarry1250; "Create new SVGMessageGroup to enable SVG translation. [Phase 1]" [mediawiki/extensions/TranslateSvg] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12392
[16:47:49] 	 Change abandoned: Subramanya Sastry; "Not relevant anymore since these cases have been covered by gabriel's recent commits." [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12340
[16:48:41] 	 New patchset: MarkTraceur; "(bug 31313) Add in dedicated option to watch new uploaded files" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11063
[16:49:15] 	 New patchset: cneubauer; "Initial commit of PdfExport code from http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Pdf_Export/Source_Code" [mediawiki/extensions/PdfExport] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12399
[16:50:43] 	 New review: jenkins-bot; "Build Successful " [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 1 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11063
[16:51:14] 	 03(NEW) Wikimedia Shop home page has inaccurate page title - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37792 normal; Wikimedia: Shop; (b)
[16:52:37] 	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Killed unused varibales" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12400
[16:52:38] 	 03(mod) Attempting to translate a page into a non-permitted language results in 500 error rather than clean error - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37760  +comment (10Rob Redpath)
[16:52:40] 	 ^demon: I just copied the access list over from -codereview, imho we could keep  both channels, but if you want to keep only one, renaming it is nothing hard
[16:52:50] 	 + we can redirect -codereview to -feed
[16:52:58] 	 that's what we did with huggle channels as well
[16:53:04] 	 Change abandoned: Jarry1250; "Taking Nikerabbit's feedback on-board, I'll abandon this as a feature. That said, I'll be introducin..." [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (translatesvg) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/9780
[16:53:08] <^demon>	 -feed is fine, I suppose. Bigger things to bikeshed over.
[16:53:35] 	 Change abandoned: Dereckson; "Gerrit revert to previous patch set tests done." [test/mediawiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11975
[16:54:01] 	 03(NEW) Wikimedia Shop galleries are poorly implemented - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37793 normal; Wikimedia: Shop; (b)
[16:55:23] 	 New review: Parent5446; "Things look good to me." [mediawiki/core] (master) C: 1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11063
[16:55:51] 	 New patchset: Demon; "Adding .gitreview" [mediawiki/extensions/APC] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12401
[16:56:11] 	 New patchset: Demon; "Adding .gitreview" [mediawiki/extensions/CleanChanges] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12402
[16:56:24] 	 New patchset: Demon; "Adding .gitreview" [mediawiki/extensions/ContributionScores] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12403
[16:56:31] 	 New patchset: Demon; "Adding .gitreview" [mediawiki/extensions/DataTransfer] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12404
[16:56:36] 	 New patchset: Demon; "Adding .gitreview" [mediawiki/extensions/DeleteBatch] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12405
[16:56:49] 	 New patchset: Demon; "Adding .gitreview" [mediawiki/extensions/ExternalData] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12406
[16:56:59] 	 New patchset: Demon; "Adding .gitreview" [mediawiki/extensions/GoogleAdSense] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12407
[16:57:02] 	 New review: Parent5446; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/core] (master) C: 1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11063
[16:57:05] 	 New patchset: Demon; "Adding .gitreview" [mediawiki/extensions/I18nTags] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12408
[16:57:13] 	 New patchset: Demon; "Adding .gitreview" [mediawiki/extensions/LanguageSelector] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12409
[16:57:41] 	 New review: Jeroen De Dauw; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12017
[16:57:42] 	 New patchset: Demon; "Adding .gitreview" [mediawiki/extensions/ReplaceText] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12410
[16:57:44] 	 Change merged: Jeroen De Dauw; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12017
[16:58:13] 	 New patchset: Demon; "Adding .gitreview" [mediawiki/extensions/UserMerge] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12411
[16:58:17] 	 New patchset: Demon; "Adding .gitreview" [mediawiki/extensions/UserOptionStats] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12412
[16:58:25] 	 New patchset: Demon; "Adding .gitreview" [mediawiki/extensions/WebChat] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12413
[16:58:41] 	 03(NEW) Wikimedia Shop "pick a currency" input is obnoxious - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37794 normal; Wikimedia: Shop; (b)
[16:59:33] 	 New review: Jeroen De Dauw; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12028
[16:59:35] 	 Change merged: Jeroen De Dauw; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12028
[17:02:17] 	 New review: Aude; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12394
[17:02:20] 	 Change merged: Aude; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12394
[17:03:19] 	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Moved utils test to lib since utirls class was moved there a while back" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12414
[17:04:05] 	 03(NEW) Wikimedia Shop project buttons and stickers use wrong MediaWiki logo - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37795 normal; Wikimedia: Shop; (b)
[17:06:24] 	 03(mod) php-lint Jenkins target fails to detect PHP errors - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37788  +comment (10Antoine "hashar" Musso)
[17:08:17] 	 03(NEW) Wikimedia Shop project buttons and stickers using wrong Wikipedia logo - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37796 normal; Wikimedia: Shop; (b)
[17:08:45] 	 03(mod) php-lint Jenkins target fails to detect PHP errors - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37788  +comment (10Antoine "hashar" Musso)
[17:10:48] 	 New patchset: Jens Ohlig; "Updated the agent to use of Http::get, and with additional changes." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12096
[17:12:27] 	 New review: Jens Ohlig; "The new version is much better, especially the graphics. We don't need this file." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12372
[17:12:30] 	 Change merged: Jens Ohlig; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12372
[17:12:43] 	 03(NEW) Wikimedia Shop is only available in English - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37797 normal; Wikimedia: Shop; (b)
[17:13:06] 	 03(mod) php-lint Jenkins target fails to detect PHP errors - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37788  +comment (10Antoine "hashar" Musso)
[17:15:31] 	 New patchset: Jens Ohlig; "Conflicts: 	repo/Wikibase.hooks.php 	repo/tests/phpunit/includes/api/ApiSetItemTest.php" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12420
[17:15:51] 	 03siebrand *  10/trunk/translatewiki/Mozilla/Mozilla.yaml: Add aggregate group for Mozilla.
[17:16:23] 	 03(mod) namespace prefices case at search - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37775  (10matanya)
[17:17:14] 	 New patchset: Jens Ohlig; "Fixed the data provider in repo/tests/phpunit/includes/api/ApiSetItemTest.php and made the tests run again." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12420
[17:17:14] 	 03(NEW) Wikimedia Shop pages are not widely editable - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37798 normal; Wikimedia: Shop; (b)
[17:17:44] 	 03(mod) namespace prefixes case at search - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37775  summary (10matanya)
[17:20:25] 	 03(mod) Wikimedia Shop pages are not widely editable - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37798  +comment (10matanya)
[17:21:40] 	 btw, Reedy, when you have a moment, can you please reset the default assignee in bugzilla for Product: Wikimedia, Component: Blog to be wikibugs-l, instead of me?
[17:21:56] 	 New review: Jeroen De Dauw; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 0 C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12420
[17:22:36] 	 03(mod) Wikimedia Shop is only available in English - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37797  +comment (10matanya)
[17:22:37] 	 03(mod) Wikimedia Shop pages are not widely editable - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37798  (10matanya)
[17:23:15] 	 New review: Jeroen De Dauw; "The rest of this looks good though, and passed the tests" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 1 C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12420
[17:24:17] 	 03(mod) Render interlanguage links in sidebar ucfirst per context language rules - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37705  +comment (10Nouill)
[17:24:32] 	 New patchset: Hashar; "Non-linting PHP change for CI (DO NOT SUBMIT)" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12421
[17:24:51] 	 New review: Hashar; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: -2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12421
[17:25:07] 	 wikibugs: gerrit-wm: shut up
[17:25:15] * hexmode  wonders if that worked
[17:25:38] 	 New review: Hashar; "Wich let Jenkins happy indeed :" [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: -2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12421
[17:25:47] * hexmode  sighs
[17:26:15] 	 ^demon: I've got a question about update.php ... you know a bit about it, right?
[17:26:20] <^demon>	 What's up?
[17:26:25] * hexmode  thinks it is related to the installer
[17:26:37] <^demon>	 Installer and updater are pretty closely intwined.
[17:26:37] 	 New review: jenkins-bot; "Build Successful " [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 1 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12421
[17:27:05] 	 ^demon: if I want to import some wiki page updates, it seems like that would be the place to do it
[17:27:26] <^demon>	 Installer would be better than updater, probably.
[17:27:31] 	 ^demon: specific example is pushing from dev to qa with jenkins
[17:27:58] 	 (not, it should be noted WMF's jenkins, nor one under my control)
[17:29:14] <^demon>	 Oh man, that is some black magic I wrote.
[17:29:48] <^demon>	 hexmode: Take a look at Installer::getInstallSteps(), around line 1380. That's what you need to play with.
[17:30:07] 	 New patchset: Jens Ohlig; "Fixed the data provider in repo/tests/phpunit/includes/api/ApiSetItemTest.php and made the tests run again." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12420
[17:31:12] 	 New patchset: Christian; "Firefox has some crazy bindings for browser features. This prevents it and properly annotates." [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12422
[17:31:26] <^demon>	 hexmode: Using the new overrides thing that got added (see mw-config/overrides.php), it should be pretty trivial to extend the installer and then add your own install step.
[17:31:35] <^demon>	 s/trivial/straightforward/
[17:31:39] <^demon>	 Maybe not trivial :)
[17:33:08] 	 New review: Catrope; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12422
[17:33:10] 	 Change merged: Catrope; [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12422
[17:33:47] 	 ^demon: but this isn't the installer.  Jenkins is being used to update an existing installation.
[17:34:20] 	 ^demon: but maybe you mean the overrides.php is used just the same?
[17:34:38] 	 And, more importantly, does this work for 1.19
[17:34:44] * hexmode  goes to check
[17:36:52] 	 New review: Catrope; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master); V: 0 C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12349
[17:37:19] <^demon>	 hexmode: No, it wouldn't, it's in master.
[17:37:29] <^demon>	 Hmm, you could have jenkins call importDump or something, perhaps.
[17:38:22] 	 yeah, may have to do that
[17:38:31] 	 oh well, it was a nice thought ;)
[17:44:25] 	 New review: Jeroen De Dauw; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 0 C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12420
[17:46:09] 	 New patchset: Trevor Parscal; "Fixed output of translateOffset when collapsing a range" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12349
[17:46:13] 	 New patchset: Catrope; "Followup to 2e089a4e5: rename watch to watchpage" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12423
[17:47:00] 	 New patchset: Catrope; "Rename watch to watchpage, per https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12423" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12424
[17:47:23] 	 is there a javascript version of wikitext converter similar to PageDown?
[17:48:17] 	 New review: jenkins-bot; "Build Successful " [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 1 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12423
[17:48:31] 	 New patchset: Jens Ohlig; "Fixed the data provider in repo/tests/phpunit/includes/api/ApiSetItemTest.php and made the tests run again." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12420
[17:48:32] 	 03(NEW) Cannot change sitenotice: Translation to this language is disabled - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37799 critical; MediaWiki extensions: Translate; (s.mazeland)
[17:48:43] 	 New review: Catrope; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12349
[17:48:45] 	 Change merged: Catrope; [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12349
[17:52:25] 	 New review: Trevor Parscal; "Let's talk about JavaScript..." [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12424
[17:52:27] 	 Change merged: Trevor Parscal; [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12424
[17:53:10] 	 New review: Jeroen De Dauw; "Looks good, just one minor issue with the exception type." [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (storerewrite); V: 0 C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12397
[17:53:22] 	 New review: Trevor Parscal; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12423
[17:53:29] 	 Change merged: Trevor Parscal; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12423
[17:55:47] 	 New review: Jeroen De Dauw; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12420
[17:55:49] 	 Change merged: Jeroen De Dauw; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12420
[17:59:03] 	 Hi tparveen 
[17:59:05] 	 got a moment?
[17:59:15] 	 yes sure
[17:59:22] 	 New review: Jens Ohlig; "Trivial enough. And it didn't break the tests! :)" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12379
[17:59:24] 	 Change merged: Jens Ohlig; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12379
[17:59:40] 	 tparveen: so, have you gotten any responses to your offer re QA discussion and training?
[17:59:54] 	 New patchset: Demon; "Adding .gitreview" [mediawiki/extensions/APC] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12426
[18:00:13] 	 New patchset: Demon; "Adding .gitreview" [mediawiki/extensions/CleanChanges] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12427
[18:00:21] 	 sumanah: no...I was hoping someone would answer but no one did...surprising...no email came back so i think everyone got the emails...
[18:00:27] 	 New patchset: Demon; "Adding .gitreview" [mediawiki/extensions/ContributionScores] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12428
[18:00:33] 	 New patchset: Nikerabbit; "(bug 37799) Don't prevent editing in content language" [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12429
[18:00:34] 	 New review: Daniel Kinzler; "please improve this:" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 0 C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12096
[18:00:34] 	 New patchset: Demon; "Adding .gitreview" [mediawiki/extensions/DataTransfer] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12430
[18:00:36] 	 tparveen: OK. Why do you think that people might have seen that email and dismissed it?
[18:01:13] 	 tparveen: I'm actually interested in doing a line-by-line review, here, if you are open to it
[18:01:19] 	 sumanah: not sure...not interested? don't know me? 
[18:01:25] 	 Change abandoned: Demon; "Whoops, didn't mean to resubmit this. Just use I9694fb78." [mediawiki/extensions/APC] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12426
[18:01:41] 	 tparveen: ok. So, to start: have you heard the phrase "user story"?
[18:01:49] 	 sumanah: yes
[18:02:02] 	 Change abandoned: Demon; "Whoops, didn't mean to resubmit I9e9f9dde." [mediawiki/extensions/CleanChanges] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12427
[18:02:07] 	 tparveen: ok. So, what's the user story for the kind of person you're trying to reach?
[18:02:28] 	 Change abandoned: Demon; "Whoops, didn't mean to resubmit Ic77eb6ad." [mediawiki/extensions/ContributionScores] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12428
[18:03:00] 	 Change abandoned: Demon; "Whoops, didn't mean to resubmit If7a95c99." [mediawiki/extensions/DataTransfer] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12430
[18:03:32] 	 sumanah: "user story" in SE term is how a user uses a system...is that what you are referring to?
[18:03:33] 	 New patchset: Nischayn22; "Added DIHandlers Classes and required methods" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (storerewrite) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12397
[18:03:52] 	 New review: Demon; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/APC] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12401
[18:03:54] 	 Change merged: Demon; [mediawiki/extensions/APC] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12401
[18:03:55] 	 tparveen: Sure. But maybe i'm thinking a little more broadly
[18:04:06] 	 New review: Demon; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/CleanChanges] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12402
[18:04:08] 	 Change merged: Demon; [mediawiki/extensions/CleanChanges] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12402
[18:04:14] 	 sumanah: explain pls
[18:04:23] 	 New review: Demon; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/ContributionScores] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12403
[18:04:25] 	 Change merged: Demon; [mediawiki/extensions/ContributionScores] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12403
[18:04:33] 	 New patchset: Inez; "Fix for drawing selection in IE - temporary approach" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12431
[18:04:54] 	 New review: Demon; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/DataTransfer] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12404
[18:04:55] 	 tparveen: so, the kind of person you're reaching out to.  When they open your email, and interact with it, what would they think?
[18:04:57] 	 New patchset: Christian; "Aggressive keyboard shortcut fix for all browsers and platforms" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12432
[18:04:57] 	 Change merged: Demon; [mediawiki/extensions/DataTransfer] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12404
[18:05:08] 	 tparveen: let's look line-by-line
[18:05:24] 	 New review: Demon; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/DeleteBatch] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12405
[18:05:26] 	 Change merged: Demon; [mediawiki/extensions/DeleteBatch] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12405
[18:05:33] 	 sumanah: line-by-line of my email?
[18:05:40] 	 tparveen: sure
[18:05:55] 	 New review: Demon; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/ExternalData] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12406
[18:05:56] 	 Change merged: Demon; [mediawiki/extensions/ExternalData] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12406
[18:06:09] 	 New review: Demon; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/GoogleAdSense] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12407
[18:06:11] 	 Change merged: Demon; [mediawiki/extensions/GoogleAdSense] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12407
[18:06:25] 	 New review: Demon; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/I18nTags] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12408
[18:06:27] 	 Change merged: Demon; [mediawiki/extensions/I18nTags] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12408
[18:06:50] 	 tparveen: ready?
[18:06:55] 	 New review: Demon; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/LanguageSelector] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12409
[18:06:57] 	 Change merged: Demon; [mediawiki/extensions/LanguageSelector] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12409
[18:06:59] 	 sumanah: yes
[18:07:02] 	 tparveen:  subject line: "Effective Testing and writing good bug reports".  It's pretty general
[18:07:05] 	 New patchset: Christian; "Aggressive keyboard shortcut fix for all browsers and platforms" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12432
[18:07:08] 	 New review: Demon; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/ReplaceText] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12410
[18:07:10] 	 Change merged: Demon; [mediawiki/extensions/ReplaceText] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12410
[18:07:30] 	 New review: Demon; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/UserMerge] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12411
[18:07:32] 	 Change merged: Demon; [mediawiki/extensions/UserMerge] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12411
[18:07:39] 	 tparveen: it doesn't immediately imply that some kind of action is required or requested; it implies that it's more informational
[18:07:46] 	 New review: Catrope; "Bug reported against jQuery: http://bugs.jquery.com/ticket/11949" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12423
[18:07:51] 	 New review: Demon; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/UserOptionStats] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12412
[18:07:52] 	 Change merged: Demon; [mediawiki/extensions/UserOptionStats] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12412
[18:08:01] 	 New review: Demon; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/WebChat] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12413
[18:08:03] 	 Change merged: Demon; [mediawiki/extensions/WebChat] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12413
[18:08:04] 	 New review: Trevor Parscal; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12431
[18:08:06] 	 Change merged: Trevor Parscal; [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12431
[18:08:06] 	 tparveen: the To: line -- it's to several people, which decreases the personalization factor
[18:08:44] 	 tparveen: instead of saying "I'm reaching out to you specifically because I want you to participate" it feels more like a mass-mailing, which decreases the other person's feeling of specialness
[18:09:24] 	 New patchset: Demon; "Adding .gitreview" [mediawiki/extensions/NumberFormat] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12433
[18:09:24] 	 New review: Trevor Parscal; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12432
[18:09:28] 	 Change merged: Trevor Parscal; [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12432
[18:09:52] 	 New patchset: Inez; "Fix problem in hasSlugAtOffset when a given offset is out of range of the document - so no node is returned from getNodeAtOffset" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12434
[18:11:23] 	 sumanah: so you think that my email looked like a mass mail and that's why people ignored it?
[18:11:33] 	 tparveen: that's part of it, yeah
[18:11:38] 	 tparveen: let's keep going
[18:12:05] * paulproteus  slowly learns more about Lua stuff in MediaWiki, and the roadmap.
[18:12:51] 	 tparveen: if you'd sent 10 individual emails, you could have personalized them more -- like, "hey Josh, since you're already doing QA for the Foundation, maybe you'd like to chat with me and swap lessons learned...."
[18:13:59] 	 Hi, is there any documentation of the MWExceptions? didn't find any on MW.org
[18:14:10] 	 tparveen: or for a different longterm volunteer contributor, stress what they've worked on -- "I see you've investigated the internationalization bugs a lot, so maybe you can tell me what your strategies are for finding those kinds of bugs"
[18:14:12] 	 or something like that
[18:16:27] 	 tparveen: making the value proposition more specific to the thing the other person cares about generally helps :-)
[18:16:42] 	 or flattering them by saying that you specifically want to learn something they know
[18:16:56] 	 but it's nearly impossible to do that in a mass mail.
[18:17:31] 	 tparveen: and then there's other stuff, like referring to yourself as "a QA" which is not a noun most of our community knows
[18:18:06] 	 Hi, when I try to "git review" something, it says "You have more than one commit that you are about to submit." It lists two commits, but one has already been submitted to Gerrit: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/12399/. Do I need to "git push" this change before I can "git review" the next commit?
[18:18:58] 	 cneubauer: are they depending on each other do you think? i.e. what if the first one does not get accepted?
[18:19:22] 	 yeah I guess so but I think this extension repo is set up to not use gated trunk so does it need to be approved?
[18:19:34] 	 ah it's initial commit
[18:19:44] 	 Review in Progress
[18:19:48] 	 and it's not in master
[18:19:50] 	 New review: Trevor Parscal; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12434
[18:19:52] 	 Change merged: Trevor Parscal; [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12434
[18:20:15] 	 sumanah: I am listening
[18:20:15] 	 cneubauer: gerrit is like a tool to make "one single perfect commit"
[18:20:20] 	 saper: so each commit I push for review has to be accepted and merged to master before I can push teh next one?
[18:20:36] 	 hmm
[18:20:37] 	 cneubauer: unless the permissions are changed, yes - everyone can do that
[18:20:50] 	 cneubauer: but you can amend the original commit if this is the same stuff
[18:20:57] 	 New patchset: Catrope; "Move action.watch to a more suitable place and expose updateWatchLink method in mw.page.watch.  Update method to toggle watch, unwatch list item id attribute. Patchset 2- Expose method with less code duplication, restore comments, cleanup whitespace. Patc" [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.20wmf5) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12435
[18:20:58] 	 and submit Patchset 2
[18:20:58] 	 New patchset: Catrope; "Followup to 2e089a4e5: rename watch to watchpage" [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.20wmf5) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12436
[18:21:07] 	 tparveen: am grabbing Josh :-)
[18:21:30] 	 okay, yeah I guess I don't understand teh difference between two patchsets for one commit or two commits
[18:21:39] 	 but I'll amend it with the second patchset
[18:21:44] 	 cneubauer: let me explain
[18:21:52] 	 thanks for the response, saper!
[18:22:23] 	 cneubauer: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Git/Workflow#git_review_complains_about_multiple_commits and https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Git/Tutorial#Amending_a_change may help
[18:22:24] 	 sumanah, tparveen: I really love the personalization trick, I always get caught this way :)
[18:22:50] 	 cneubauer: patchsets are just different ("better") versions of the commit
[18:22:57] 	 sumanah: I saw the multiple commits thing but that is actually a different issue. these two commits are both mine.
[18:23:10] 	 technically they are different commits (in git sense) but kind of only the last one matters
[18:23:14] 	 tparveen: saper: ha! and it's not just a "trick", right? actually writing that personal email causes you to think about what you really want out of the conversation, and makes it more likely that everyone will get value out of it
[18:23:20] 	 cneubauer: ah, sorry
[18:23:26] 	 New review: jenkins-bot; "Build Successful " [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.20wmf5); V: 1 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12435
[18:23:28] 	 thanks for the suggestion
[18:23:33] 	 hey there jvandavier. tparveen, this is Josh
[18:23:52] 	 jvandavier: hello Josh
[18:23:56] 	 saper: so gerrit groups them to make a logical unit for review purposes?
[18:24:11] 	 Purely in the spirit of code review and helping each other improve, I thought I could ask jvandavier to help tparveen see what would have been more effective here
[18:24:14] 	 hi there, tparveen
[18:24:17] 	 cneubauer: so when I would be stairting a new extension for example - I would keep amending the change until I am really done and I can merge something useful...
[18:24:34] 	 New patchset: Foxtrott; "fix bug: menuselect - list of values visible" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticFormsInputs] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12438
[18:24:35] 	 New patchset: Catrope; "Alias mw.action.watch.ajax to mw.page.watch.ajax" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12439
[18:24:45] 	 New review: Aaron Schulz; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/9858
[18:25:12] 	 New review: jenkins-bot; "Build Successful " [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.20wmf5); V: 1 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12436
[18:25:27] 	 saper: for historical reasons, I commited the original extension that was stored in wikitext on the extension page on mediawiki.org and then added my changes so someone going back to the history could see what happened. so does that sound like something that should all be in patchsets in one commit?
[18:25:35] 	 I say this meaning no offense at all, tparveen :) i would just try to be more direct and tell people what you want to do
[18:25:59] 	 both the first commit and the second commit should "work" as an extension
[18:26:02] 	 and placing the time/date info for the meeting in the subject line is always helpful for me
[18:26:02] 	 cneubauer: yes it's kind of a tree of commits - they normally all have the same parent. It wasn't obvious to me until I read git-commit(1) manpage and got it how --amend really works. It's kind of equivalent of "get all the changes back to the working directory and let's get back to the previous commit. In fact, let's (almost) forget it. When amending, let's re-use the old message but give the committer option to edit it"
[18:26:26] 	 New patchset: Catrope; "Alias mw.action.watch.ajax to mw.page.watch.ajax" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12439
[18:26:44] 	 cneubauer: ah I see, you would like to have several commits to preserve history?
[18:26:48] 	 sumanah, tparveen: brb
[18:26:55] 	 saper: yes, exactly!
[18:27:14] 	 New patchset: Anomie; "Allow manipulation of wl_notificationtimestamp via the API" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11965
[18:27:21] 	 New review: Trevor Parscal; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12439
[18:27:21] 	 cneubauer: there is a way, too.
[18:27:23] 	 Change merged: Trevor Parscal; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12439
[18:27:33] 	 cneubauer: you can prepare a series of commits, one after another.
[18:28:00] 	 New patchset: Catrope; "Alias mw.action.watch.ajax to mw.page.watch.ajax" [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.20wmf5) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12440
[18:28:02] 	 New review: Markus Kroetzsch; "Do we actually need a handler for DIError? It cannot be stored and queried." [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (storerewrite); V: 0 C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12397
[18:28:08] 	 and you can push them all at once with "git push origin HEAD:refs/for/master/old-history" or "git-review"
[18:28:28] 	 what will happen - gerrit will create a series of commits that will have dependencies.
[18:28:57] 	 New review: Catrope; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.20wmf5); V: 0 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12435
[18:29:02] 	 New review: Catrope; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.20wmf5); V: 0 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12436
[18:29:02] 	 Change merged: Catrope; [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.20wmf5) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12435
[18:29:06] 	 Change merged: Catrope; [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.20wmf5) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12436
[18:29:21] 	 I would mention in the review or commit message that it's just importing history and it's not meant to be really "reviewed"
[18:29:36] 	 tparveen: so, is that helpful?
[18:29:42] 	 thanks jvandavier.
[18:30:06] 	 saper: okay, that sounds like the way to go. thanks for all the explanation
[18:30:17] 	 cneubauer: saper is a superstar! or maybe a saperstar.
[18:30:25] 	 : )
[18:30:51] 	 so what happens since I already "git review"ed the first commit
[18:30:56] 	 cneubauer: did you & I meet at a previous tech event? your name reminds me of seeing a badge with your name on it.
[18:30:57] 	 does it get... overwritten?
[18:31:18] 	 probably on wiki. I may be coming to the DC event here in July though
[18:31:19] 	 New review: jenkins-bot; "Build Successful " [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 1 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11965
[18:31:40] 	 New patchset: Reedy; "Add .gitignore" [mediawiki/extensions/APC] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12441
[18:31:40] 	 cneubauer: oh cool! paulproteus is helping run that event
[18:32:01] 	 cneubauer: You're giving me ideas on what to offer at the event! (-:
[18:32:24] 	 paulproteus: intro to git/gerrit?  Sign me up
[18:32:30] 	 New review: Reedy; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/APC] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12441
[18:32:32] 	 Change merged: Reedy; [mediawiki/extensions/APC] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12441
[18:32:32] 	 cneubauer: history is kind of large, I would talk to ^demon|away or some other git czar to let you just commit this to master
[18:32:37] 	 cneubauer: Awesome!! (-:
[18:32:44] 	 Okay, so do me a favor and *definitely* come.
[18:33:03] 	 New review: Anomie; "Changes in this patchset:" [mediawiki/core] (master) C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11965
[18:33:09] 	 New patchset: Reedy; "Add .gitignore" [mediawiki/extensions/CleanChanges] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12442
[18:33:23] 	 New review: jenkins-bot; "Build Successful " [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.20wmf5); V: 1 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12440
[18:33:26] 	 cneubauer: and you can use different --author for every commit to give proper attribution taken from wiki
[18:33:28] 	 New review: Amire80; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12429
[18:33:29] 	 paulproteus: its on my schedule. really hoping I can make it work
[18:33:30] 	 Change merged: Amire80; [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12429
[18:33:35] 	 Awesome, cneubauer
[18:33:39] 	 New review: Catrope; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.20wmf5); V: 0 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12440
[18:33:41] 	 cneubauer: and every commit message might have a link to the wikipage revision
[18:33:42] 	 Change merged: Catrope; [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.20wmf5) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12440
[18:33:51] 	 New patchset: Catrope; "Update VisualEditor" [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.20wmf5) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12443
[18:33:55] 	 saper: yeah I was planning on just committing the code as of today instead of hte full history
[18:34:01] 	 not even sure how to pull that out of the wiki page
[18:34:13] 	 sumanah: I don't quite agree with that...Having a few people in the mail, I tried to show that its not only one person that I wanted to speak to, I have picked a group and it shows team work. Sometimes, in my experience if you reach out to individual person, their first impression is "why do you want to talk to me and not so and so..." and I did not want to give them that feeling...
[18:34:14] 	 New review: Reedy; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/CleanChanges] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12442
[18:34:16] 	 Change merged: Reedy; [mediawiki/extensions/CleanChanges] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12442
[18:34:20] 	 cneubauer: I'm confused now :-)
[18:34:49] 	 cneubauer: we could download all revisions and commit them one by one
[18:34:56] 	 saper: so I'm making changes to this extension to add a bunch of other PDF generating backends. I wanted to commit the current state of the extension as it exists on the wiki page and then my changes
[18:35:21] 	 sumanah: But if personalization is what is needed, then I guess I know it now
[18:35:27] 	 saper: actually, I would love to get the complete history in there but that seems like a ton of work unless there is some automated way to do it
[18:35:53] <^demon|away>	 saper: We could just push the existing git history? Or is this not in git somewhere already?
[18:35:53] 	 New patchset: Reedy; "Add .gitignore" [mediawiki/extensions/ContributionScores] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12444
[18:35:59] 	 New patchset: Reedy; "Add .gitignore" [mediawiki/extensions/DataTransfer] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12445
[18:35:59] 	 New review: jenkins-bot; "Build Successful " [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.20wmf5); V: 1 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12443
[18:36:10] 	 New patchset: Reedy; "Add .gitignore" [mediawiki/extensions/DeleteBatch] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12446
[18:36:16] 	 New review: Demon; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/NumberFormat] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12433
[18:36:18] 	 Change merged: Demon; [mediawiki/extensions/NumberFormat] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12433
[18:36:19] 	 tparveen: depends on the community and the people, right?
[18:36:21] 	 New patchset: Reedy; "Add .gitignore" [mediawiki/extensions/ExternalData] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12447
[18:36:32] 	 New patchset: Reedy; "Add .gitignore" [mediawiki/extensions/GoogleAdSense] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12448
[18:36:43] 	 New patchset: Reedy; "Add .gitignore" [mediawiki/extensions/I18nTags] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12449
[18:36:55] 	 New patchset: Reedy; "Add .gitignore" [mediawiki/extensions/LanguageSelector] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12450
[18:36:59] 	 sumanah:  I am also not sure what is wrong with calling myself QA, If I don't refer to myself as a QA, what should I be referring to? That is who I am...Otherwise why would they want to listen to me?...that is the topic I want to discuss with them is QA.
[18:37:06] 	 New patchset: Reedy; "Add .gitignore" [mediawiki/extensions/ReplaceText] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12451
[18:37:18] 	 New patchset: Reedy; "Add .gitignore" [mediawiki/extensions/UserMerge] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12452
[18:37:22] 	 tparveen: I very, very rarely run into the "why do you want to talk to me and not [other person]?" in this community. What open source communities have you seen that in?
[18:37:29] 	 New patchset: Reedy; "Add .gitignore" [mediawiki/extensions/UserOptionStats] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12453
[18:37:40] 	 New patchset: Reedy; "Add .gitignore" [mediawiki/extensions/WebChat] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12454
[18:37:55] 	 sumanah: I don't..this is my first open source community and I am still learning about the community...
[18:38:28] 	 tparveen: I'm trying to figure out the "showing teamwork" bit as well.... I think that perhaps you've been in situations in the past where people's default was *not* teamwork and collaboration?  
[18:38:56] 	 03(NEW) Separate header, footer and body input areas for non-javascript users - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37800 normal; MediaWiki extensions: ProofreadPage; (jrobson)
[18:39:04] 	 New review: Reedy; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/ContributionScores] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12444
[18:39:04] 	 tparveen: what is "a QA"?  what does that stand for? "a quality assurer"?  That's like calling myself an ECM .... not many people are going to know what that abbreviation means.
[18:39:06] 	 Change merged: Reedy; [mediawiki/extensions/ContributionScores] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12444
[18:39:11] 	 New review: Reedy; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/DataTransfer] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12445
[18:39:12] 	 Change merged: Reedy; [mediawiki/extensions/DataTransfer] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12445
[18:39:17] 	 New review: Reedy; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/DeleteBatch] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12446
[18:39:19] 	 Change merged: Reedy; [mediawiki/extensions/DeleteBatch] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12446
[18:39:24] 	 New review: Reedy; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/ExternalData] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12447
[18:39:26] 	 Change merged: Reedy; [mediawiki/extensions/ExternalData] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12447
[18:39:30] 	 New review: Reedy; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/GoogleAdSense] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12448
[18:39:32] 	 Change merged: Reedy; [mediawiki/extensions/GoogleAdSense] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12448
[18:39:37] 	 New review: Reedy; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/I18nTags] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12449
[18:39:39] 	 Change merged: Reedy; [mediawiki/extensions/I18nTags] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12449
[18:39:41] 	 Reedy, might be a good idea to quiet the channel
[18:39:44] 	 New review: Reedy; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/LanguageSelector] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12450
[18:39:45] 	 Change merged: Reedy; [mediawiki/extensions/LanguageSelector] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12450
[18:39:50] 	 no point now
[18:39:50] 	 New review: Reedy; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/ReplaceText] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12451
[18:39:52] 	 Change merged: Reedy; [mediawiki/extensions/ReplaceText] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12451
[18:39:54] 	 saper: I have to run and make a phone call. I'll come back later and discuss it some more. Thanks very much for the help!
[18:39:57] 	 New review: Reedy; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/UserMerge] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12452
[18:39:59] 	 Change merged: Reedy; [mediawiki/extensions/UserMerge] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12452
[18:40:06] 	 New review: Reedy; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/UserOptionStats] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12453
[18:40:07] 	 Change merged: Reedy; [mediawiki/extensions/UserOptionStats] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12453
[18:40:12] 	 New review: Reedy; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/WebChat] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12454
[18:40:13] 	 SORRY I CAN'T HEAR YOU OVER THESE BOTS
[18:40:14] 	 Change merged: Reedy; [mediawiki/extensions/WebChat] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12454
[18:40:19] 	 johnduhart: WHAT!?
[18:40:21] 	 New review: Catrope; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.20wmf5); V: 0 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12443
[18:40:24] 	 Change merged: Catrope; [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.20wmf5) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12443
[18:40:27] 	 sumanah: remember my SVN request? it's not something that needs to be done now, but I just hope it hasn't been forgotten :)
[18:40:40] 	 johnduhart: ha
[18:41:03] 	 Krenair: um, "put off" probably shaded into "not forgotten but would have been remembered later today or tomorrow" :-)
[18:41:12] 	 but thanks for the ping!
[18:41:28] * sumanah  looks at queues to process
[18:41:32] 	 ok, thanks
[18:42:12] 	 I've request for a developer access account some hours ago. When will I get one?
[18:42:30] 	 koosha: probably in the next 5 min.
[18:42:44] 	 koosha: just so you know, we do try to process all of those within 1 business day
[18:42:55] 	 :)
[18:43:02] 	 koosha: our operations team is working on making them self-serve in the future, but that will require some technical fixes
[18:43:19] 	 cool
[18:43:40] 	 I hope I could join the mediawiki developers community
[18:43:47] 	 koosha: :-D
[18:43:52] 	 hi.  How do I use libcurl on wikipedia page?  I set a User-Agent: but I get blankness back.
[18:43:53] 	 I know PHP, HTML, som JavaScript and CSS
[18:44:16] 	 paule_, umm... you're trying to use libcurl on a page directly from the UI?
[18:44:18] 	 koosha: great!
[18:44:37] 	 yes: "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/valium is the url (for example)
[18:44:38] 	 koosha: I recommend that you start by skimming http://www.aosabook.org/en/mediawiki.html
[18:44:52] 	 paule_, see https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/API:Main_Page
[18:44:55] 	 I've been trying to install mediawiki on a WAMPserver localhost and I can go as far as the 'Set up your wiki' installation page. When I click on that link though, it tells me that the page cannot be found on the server. Any ideas as to what could be causing this?
[18:45:06] 	 but I'm not yet sure if I could understand the code well enough
[18:45:07] 	 Though actually I think you can just use index.php?action=render&title=
[18:45:10] 	 I hope so ;)
[18:45:24] 	 Krenair, thanks, reading now...
[18:45:41] 	 koosha: weird technical problem I'm trying to address re creating new accounts.... you will get an email when I create your acct
[18:46:11] 	 Pragun, what URL are you sent to?
[18:46:16] 	 And where is your wiki installed?
[18:46:32] 	 sumanah: cool, thanks!
[18:46:51] 	 Krenair, /mediawiki/mw-config/index.php
[18:47:11] 	 koosha: check your email!
[18:47:15] 	 And your wiki is at /mediawiki/index.php ?
[18:47:31] 	 I haven't been able to install the wiki yet
[18:47:34] 	 koosha: instructions: https://labsconsole.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Access#Initial_login_and_password_change
[18:47:36] 	 yeah got it ;)
[18:47:38] 	 thanks
[18:47:39] 	 ok, great!
[18:47:40] 	 welcome.
[18:47:43] 	 Yeah but the files are at /mediawiki/index.php, right Pragun?
[18:47:43] 	 I encounter this error at the beginning of the installation process
[18:47:43] 	 !howto | koosha 
[18:47:43] 	 koosha: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/How_to_become_a_MediaWiki_hacker
[18:47:47] 	 !events | koosha 
[18:47:47] 	 koosha: We run face-to-face events for MediaWiki developers and people who want to learn: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki_developer_meetings We also have online meetings in IRC to triage bugs: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Bug_management/Triage
[18:47:50] 	 !lists | koosha 
[18:47:50] 	 koosha: mediawiki-l and wikitech-l are the primary mailing lists for MediaWiki-related issues. See https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Mailing_lists for details.
[18:48:10] 	 yes, the files are there
[18:48:21] 	 sumanah: could you please send your messages at a lower rate?! =-O
[18:48:42] 	 koosha: ha! sorry for *overwhelming you with my efficiency and hospitality* ;-)
[18:49:01] 	 tparveen: so, does that help you understand what happened, and how to revise and re-send?
[18:49:16] 	 :P
[18:49:39] 	 sumanah: yes, I will resend...thank you
[18:49:52] 	 Thanks tparveen - best wishes.
[18:50:06] 	 I need to leave at 3, I have to teach a class...I will be back around 7 if you want to talk to me more...
[18:50:40] 	 The files are right there if I navigate to the location in my windows explorer, yet the installation process stops and states the error I mentioned
[18:50:52] 	 sumanah: can my git username include white spaces?
[18:51:04] 	 No
[18:51:06] 	 koosha: we'd rather it didn't
[18:51:13] 	 koosha: as far as we can tell, that Causes Problems.
[18:51:19] 	 Thanks tparveen.
[18:51:27] 	 tparveen: I'm in and out of IRC today due to meetings.
[18:51:48] 	 tparveen: but you are leading this initiative so please feel free to move forward and just cc me
[18:51:58] 	 sumanah: sure
[18:52:06] 	 sumanah: so where the real name of a contributor will appear when they commit code?
[18:52:23] 	 !gerrit
[18:52:23] 	 https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#q,$1,n,z
[18:52:34] 	 hmmm
[18:52:48] 	 koosha: let me give you an example - look at https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/q/status:open+project:^mediawiki.*,n,z
[18:53:08] 	 koosha: look at the list there
[18:53:18] 	 (back in a bit)
[18:53:27] 	 New patchset: Demon; "Adding .gitreview" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticACL] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12457
[18:53:48] 	 Yeah, I've seen that before! :)
[18:54:00] 	 New review: Jeroen De Dauw; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12096
[18:54:12] 	 New review: Jeroen De Dauw; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 0 C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12096
[18:54:29] 	 the interface looks really ugly compared to gitweb!
[18:55:27] 	 03(FIXED) Wikimedia Shop project buttons and stickers using wrong Wikipedia logo - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37796  +comment (10James Alexander)
[18:56:20] 	 Krenair,  Cool!  
[18:56:30] 	 Krenair,  (I think :-))
[18:56:40] 	 pfhayes: congrats on the release to you & the other 3 UCOSP students
[18:56:48] 	 thanks sumanah 
[18:56:56] 	 pfhayes: will I be seeing you in DC next month?
[18:56:56] 	 Krenair, OK, I will have to chase to redirect(s), but I think that I can do that.
[18:57:04] 	 sumanah: yes I'll be there
[18:57:04] 	 Krenair, cheers.
[18:57:12] 	 sumanah: How's GSoC coming? I haven't heard anything from students
[18:57:13] 	 paulproteus: meet pfhayes, a student 
[18:57:26] 	 johnduhart: they're posting, some, on their mediawiki.org status pages, and blogging, some
[18:57:26] 	 hi paulproteus 
[18:57:59] 	 pfhayes: paulproteus is with OpenHatch, which is helping organize the hackathon before Wikimania
[18:58:26] 	 johnduhart: one of the students seems to have dropped out
[18:58:31] 	 johnduhart: which is sadmaking
[18:58:35] 	 sumanah: I'm not yet sure if I'll be there for the hackathon
[18:58:43] 	 johnduhart: https://greensmw.wordpress.com/ is nischayn22's work
[18:58:52] 	 pfhayes: oh, hope you can.
[18:59:03] 	 !ucosp | paulproteus 
[18:59:14] 	 ok, that doesn't work yet :-)
[18:59:19] 	 paulproteus: pfhayes was part of https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/UCOSP_Spring_2012
[18:59:36] 	 johnduhart: comments are welcome :)
[18:59:37] 	 johnduhart: Platonides is reporting to wikitech-l this week, right Platonides? :-)
[19:00:05] 	 johnduhart: some of the GSoC students are already on the planet, like http://www.harryburt.co.uk/blog/ , and some are waiting for inclusion - hexmode is going to add them to  http://en.planet.wikimedia.org/
[19:01:03] 	 johnduhart: I do wish you had applied.
[19:01:16] 	 johnduhart: how is your summer going?
[19:01:20] 	 I still haven't applied tp a college yet, so it wasn't possible
[19:01:29] 	 Good, my internship starts on Monday
[19:01:39] 	 johnduhart: ah. I thought you mentioned that you could just get into a local community college just by submitting a form....
[19:01:55] 	 Yeah, I decided to take a semester off first though
[19:02:00] 	 New patchset: Nischayn22; "Added DIHandlers Classes and required methods" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (storerewrite) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12397
[19:02:01] 	 johnduhart: ok.
[19:02:11] 	 sumanah: you can create new keys by typing !blah is something
[19:02:16] 	 yeah, I know
[19:02:19] 	 ok
[19:02:21] 	 thx
[19:02:59] 	 johnduhart: hope the internship is interesting (internesting)
[19:03:00] 	 :)
[19:03:13] 	 Heh, thanks
[19:03:32] 	 sumanah: Who was the student who dropped out?
[19:03:59] 	 johnduhart: Suhas Rao, who was working on the OpenStackManager extension, seems to have dropped out.
[19:04:36] 	 New review: Jdlrobson; "It seems that storing in JSON is not much better than the current format as it requires people to kn..." [mediawiki/extensions/ProofreadPage] (master) C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/10741
[19:04:39] 	 1/9 -- I can stand it but I don't have to like it.
[19:05:01] 	 johnduhart: any chance we'll see you in DC July 10-11?
[19:05:04] 	 What about Akshay, I don't see anything from him on wiki since June 9th
[19:05:14] 	 03(NEW) Creation of Strang Pagenames - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37801 critical; MediaWiki extensions: LiquidThreads; (dasch)
[19:05:49] 	 sumanah: That's going to be a tricky one, it depends on if I can get the time off and train ticket. Plus don't I need a Wikimania ticket too?
[19:06:12] 	 johnduhart: Akshay & freakolowsky evidently think it's ok to be developing in GitHub because it's not ready for major review yet :/
[19:06:39] 	 johnduhart: paulproteus is asking the Wikimania organizers whether it's ok to have people just come to the hackathon without having to buy a Wikimania registration
[19:06:46] 	 hope to find out soon
[19:07:07] 	 I would agree with that, I'd rather not deal with gerrit while trying to rapidly develop a new extension
[19:07:23] 	 johnduhart: in my experience, "let me go to a hackathon so I can see the other developers of the product of which I'm a core dev" is a reasonable time-off proposition for bosses.
[19:07:34] 	 fair enough
[19:07:36] 	 johnduhart: but it's harder for me & others to track
[19:07:55] 	 (in a non-Gerrit place).... just a tradeoff to think about, not a fiat.
[19:07:57] 	 sumanah: Got a link to the github repo?
[19:08:14] 	 johnduhart: poke around https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Chughakshay16/ConventionExtension and if it is not there, please yell at him
[19:08:17] 	 nicely
[19:08:25] 	 hi Jarry1250! speak of the devil
[19:08:33] 	 New review: Jeroen De Dauw; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (storerewrite); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12397
[19:08:33] 	 https://github.com/chughakshay16/ConventionExtension
[19:08:36] 	 Change merged: Jeroen De Dauw; [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (storerewrite) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12397
[19:08:38] 	 good
[19:08:48] 	 Last commit 2 months ago?
[19:08:53] 	 wat
[19:08:58] 	 Jarry1250: johnduhart was just wondering how the GSoC students are doing, and I noticed you hadn't blogged in a bit
[19:09:03] 	 johnduhart: that can't be right
[19:09:09] * sumanah  sighs, pokes
[19:09:12] 	 Oh wait that's just the master branch
[19:09:51] 	 The "start a new featrure branch but never switch back" syndrome
[19:09:56] 	 oh phew
[19:10:29] 	 03(mod) php-lint Jenkins target fails to detect PHP errors - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37788  +comment (10Antoine "hashar" Musso)
[19:10:34] 	 New review: Jeroen De Dauw; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticFormsInputs] (master) C: 1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12438
[19:11:43] 	 johnduhart: Aaron Pramana's work: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/dashboard/231
[19:12:07] 	 johnduhart: Robin Pepermans: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/dashboard/67
[19:12:40] 	 Ashish Dubey: https://github.com/dash1291
[19:12:40] 	 New review: jenkins-bot; "Build Failed " [mediawiki/core] (master); V: -1 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12421
[19:13:21] 	 johnduhart: Ankur Anand's work, https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/dashboard/144
[19:13:50] 	 johnduhart: so, that's a partial answer to your question?
[19:13:51] 	 03(mod) Spam from mediawiki-cvs-bounces - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37690  +comment (10Chad H.)
[19:14:00] 	 sumanah: Yep thanks
[19:14:28] 	 johnduhart: it's a hard balance, trying not to spam our communications channels with each of their projects, but I do think we're too far on the undercommunicating side of that balance
[19:14:35] 	 johnduhart: so any poking you do is appreciated :-)
[19:14:58] 	 johnduhart: as is any code review
[19:15:10] 	 New patchset: Hashar; "linting PHP change for CI (DO NOT SUBMIT)" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12421
[19:16:11] 	 New patchset: Catrope; "Move visualeditor-loadwarning message to the correct module" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12461
[19:16:48] 	 03(FIXED) php-lint Jenkins target fails to detect PHP errors - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37788  +comment (10Antoine "hashar" Musso)
[19:17:09] 	 03(mod) Render interlanguage links in sidebar ucfirst per context language rules - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37705  +comment (10Marcin Cieślak)
[19:17:26] 	 New review: jenkins-bot; "Build Successful " [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 1 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12421
[19:18:18] 	 New patchset: MarkTraceur; "Fix auth, update README" [mediawiki/extensions/EtherEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12462
[19:18:27] 	 Change abandoned: Hashar; "This was just a testing change for bug 37788 (jenkins php linter did not lint files)." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12421
[19:18:39] 	 New review: MarkTraceur; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/EtherEditor] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12462
[19:18:41] 	 Change merged: MarkTraceur; [mediawiki/extensions/EtherEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12462
[19:18:48] 	 no I need to lint all the extensions :/
[19:18:52] 	 New patchset: Catrope; "Move visualeditor-loadwarning message to the correct module" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12461
[19:19:42] 	 New review: MarkTraceur; "Thanks for the help, Raimond! This is my first extension, so I wasn't sure about the etiquette of ne..." [mediawiki/extensions/EtherEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12364
[19:19:54] 	 paulproteus: btw, what city are you in right now? like, are you in my building? :-)
[19:20:32] 	 hashar: Could you remove do-not-submit from https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/11356/ ?
[19:20:41] 	 marktraceur: sure
[19:20:45] 	 Thanks
[19:21:06] 	 sumanah: I'm not sure he's in IRC, but he said he was going to a cafe
[19:21:23] 	 thanks
[19:21:27] 	 makes sense
[19:22:01] 	 New review: Hashar; "I have removed the "do not submit" flag per Mark request." [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11356
[19:22:38] 	 03raymond *  10/trunk/translatewiki/MediaWiki/mediawiki-defines.txt: Register new extension per https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/12364/
[19:23:12] 	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Some cleanup" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (storerewrite) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12463
[19:23:36] 	 New review: MarkTraceur; "Thanks, Hashar. The library in this patch is now the right version, but 5 years younger :)" [mediawiki/core] (master) C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11356
[19:23:58] 	 marktraceur: Krinkle will review it. I am not a JS person :(
[19:24:43] 	 hashar: No problem, I was just worried that the big red "X" would be intimidating and give people the impression that it was totally unsuitable for merge
[19:26:19] 	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Some cleanup" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (storerewrite) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12463
[19:26:29] 	 New patchset: Hashar; "fix PHP syntax error" [mediawiki/extensions/TimedMediaHandler] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12464
[19:26:48] 	 New review: Hashar; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/TimedMediaHandler] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/6373
[19:27:03] 	 New review: Hashar; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/TimedMediaHandler] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12464
[19:27:05] 	 Change merged: Hashar; [mediawiki/extensions/TimedMediaHandler] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12464
[19:27:47] 	 hi SpecialJake 
[19:27:52] 	 Hello
[19:28:12] 	 New visual editor looks good
[19:28:16] 	 but for sysops only?
[19:29:16] 	 I think deployment isn't finished yet
[19:29:25] 	 You might want to voice that in #wikimedia-dev
[19:29:25] 	 03raymond *  10/trunk/translatewiki/MediaWiki/mediawiki-defines.txt: Translate Svg disabled
[19:29:51] 	 03(FIXED) Cannot change sitenotice: Translation to this language is disabled - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37799  +comment (10Siebrand)
[19:37:23] 	 New patchset: Hashar; "test file in extensions/examples (DO NOT SUBMIT)" [mediawiki/extensions/examples] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12465
[19:38:52] * Reedy  submits hashar
[19:39:01] * hashar  merges himself
[19:39:08] * ^demon  rebases everyone
[19:39:13] 	 ha
[19:39:19] 	 hashar --> couch
[19:40:01] * marktraceur  is operating in "detached head" state
[19:40:05] 	 ^demon: no way, you can't rebase since you are not the owner
[19:40:05] 	 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qItugh-fFgg
[19:40:08] 	 hashar: how goes cr?
[19:40:20] 	 fixed beta cluster again
[19:40:28] 	 had jenkins not linting changes
[19:40:46] 	 New patchset: Catrope; "Fix external link inspector" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12466
[19:40:54] <^demon>	 hashar: Fine, I'll just add myself as owner.
[19:40:56] 	 AaronSchulz: I still owe you a change aren't i?
[19:41:15] 	 bahh
[19:41:19] 	 my english really sucks nowadays
[19:41:28] 	 AaronSchulz: do I have any change from you to review ? 
[19:41:57] 	 New patchset: Catrope; "Tear down the beforeUnload handler when redirecting after page creation" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12467
[19:42:15] 	 hashar: I don't see any
[19:42:18] 	 New review: John Erling Blad; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12096
[19:42:39] 	 oh wait, "from me"
[19:42:46] 	 hashar: check your dashboard? :)
[19:42:51] 	 there are a few
[19:42:56] 	 toooo manny stuff there :-D
[19:43:03] 	 I got random volunteers asking for review
[19:43:08] 	 sumana and hexmode assigned me some
[19:43:23] * AaronSchulz  has 50 items show be default in gerrit lists
[19:43:26] 	 + some dude in SF that seems to love filerepo
[19:43:39] 	 heh
[19:44:03] 	 and 2 days ago I thought it was a good idea to deal with the mediawiki-config queue. End result: 6 changes deployed and a ton more of stuff to review :)
[19:44:14] 	 I need a second brain really
[19:44:23] 	 hashar: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/9872/ & https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/11132/
[19:44:25] 	 I can barely keep up with the gerrit/bugzilla mail as they are
[19:44:31] 	 I feel unproductive :-(
[19:44:56] 	 AaronSchulz: ah the first, you rebased it using the new Quorum class?
[19:45:05] 	 yeah
[19:45:10] 	 \O/
[19:45:11] 	 New patchset: Robmoen; "Create init methods which hide and restore siteNotice if present." [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12468
[19:45:19] 	 lots less code to review now
[19:45:23] 	 sorry to make you rewrite that stuff
[19:45:31] 	 New patchset: Jarry1250; "Reimplement updated interface messages via JavaScript [Phase 1]" [mediawiki/extensions/TranslateSvg] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12469
[19:45:33] 	 but I really think it is a better choice for long term support
[19:45:46] 	 hashar: yeah, I was afraid to rewrite b/c it would make more commits
[19:45:55] 	 New review: Tpt; "@Jdlrobson" [mediawiki/extensions/ProofreadPage] (master) C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/10741
[19:45:59] 	 but I generally like to rewrite stuff :)
[19:46:01] 	 hard drives are cheeps so commits are cheaps :-]
[19:46:04] 	 cool
[19:46:14] 	 hashar: $(reviewers) > $(disks)
[19:46:15] 	 I have a few classes rewrite in mind :-]]]
[19:46:17] 	 New review: Catrope; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12468
[19:46:19] 	 Change merged: Catrope; [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12468
[19:46:50] 	 for example, I could make ProcessCacheLRU right now, but it would just pile on the backlog
[19:47:07] * AaronSchulz  needs a dedicated cr slave
[19:47:10] 	 well LRU, you can forget about me
[19:47:15] 	 I don't even know what it means :-]
[19:47:17] 	 I could
[19:47:17] 	 New review: Trevor Parscal; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12461
[19:47:19] 	 Change merged: Trevor Parscal; [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12461
[19:47:25] 	 hashar: Least Recently Used
[19:47:28] 	 but I probably don't have the time to spend 2 days learning what an LRU cache is
[19:47:34] 	 and how it should work
[19:47:37] 	 and implement one myself
[19:47:39] * AaronSchulz  hopes that wouldn't take 2 days
[19:47:40] 	 and then review some code :-]
[19:48:06] 	 --$votesLeft -> $votesLeft-- ;
[19:48:06] 	 New review: Trevor Parscal; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12466
[19:48:08] 	 Change merged: Trevor Parscal; [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12466
[19:48:09] 	 hashar: it would mostly c+p filebackend code and generalize it
[19:48:35] 	 AaronSchulz: regarding pre increment or, I am pretty sure it does not change anything over post increment performance wise.  I think APC optimize them already
[19:48:43] 	 hmm, FileRepoGroup could use it too
[19:48:51] 	 New review: Trevor Parscal; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12467
[19:48:53] 	 Change merged: Trevor Parscal; [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12467
[19:49:37] 	 New review: Jeroen De Dauw; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (storerewrite); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12463
[19:49:39] 	 Change merged: Jeroen De Dauw; [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (storerewrite) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12463
[19:52:28] 	 New review: MarkTraceur; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/EtherEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12364
[19:53:30] 	 New patchset: Daniel Kinzler; "fixing ApiTestCase::getTokenList()." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12471
[19:54:07] 	 AaronSchulz: I wish we had a way to delete multiple keys in memcached using just one call
[19:54:33] 	 hashar: restart memcached :D
[19:54:43] 	 lol
[19:55:03] 	 I wish we had a way to SELECTIVELY delete multiple keys in memcached using just one call
[19:55:04] 	 ;)
[19:55:22] 	 hashar: it's not in the backend protocal
[19:55:26] 	 we should just drop memcached
[19:55:30] 	 New review: jenkins-bot; "Build Successful " [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 1 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12471
[19:55:31] 	 and use some over nosql backend
[19:55:38] 	 even though memcached pecl has deleteMulti(), it's just a bunch of DELETEs
[19:55:55] 	 soo hm
[19:56:00] 	 we have a lockmanager
[19:56:05] 	 using memcached :-]
[19:56:08] 	 whereas getMulti() actually uses the MULTI_GET protocal
[19:56:14] 	 yeah
[19:56:18] 	 we need a MULTI_DELETE :-]
[19:56:31] 	 given our memcached client is from 2003 ...
[19:56:34] 	 hashar: redis could probably handle these batch ops
[19:56:49] 	 it's more sophisticated in operations than memcached
[19:56:51] 	 or postgre
[19:57:08] 	 I have a friend using postgre as a low consistency / high speed  nosql database
[19:57:09] 	 hashar: the DB?
[19:57:29] 	 is this some cache server?
[19:57:39] 	 you can apparently tweak postgre to keep the data on memory and "eventually" write them to disk from time to time
[19:57:44] 	 so if the DB crash, you loose data
[19:57:54] 	 yeah...so how about redis instead? ;)
[19:57:59] 	 but at the sametime it barely hit the disk so you get a speedy cache :-]
[19:58:11] 	 then you can use postgre clustering to scale out :-]
[19:58:18] 	 hardcore shit
[19:58:21] 	 Hey chrismcmahonafk .... oh you're away
[19:58:25] 	 so well hmm
[19:58:27] 	 yeah redis
[19:58:53] 	 the more options the better
[19:59:10] 	 the analytics team is selecting a system I think
[19:59:18] 	 you should talk to dsc about it
[19:59:21] 	 New review: Umherirrender; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11965
[20:00:04] 	 AaronSchulz: dsc == David Schoonover  sorry
[20:00:39] 	 AaronSchulz: also I am pretty sure Tim discard basically all the nosql backends
[20:01:06] 	 sumanah: I am at 101 Post St, "ING Direct Cafe", a fun place
[20:01:16] 	 Not that you're here at the moment.
[20:01:39] 	 hah
[20:01:41] 	 hashar: discarded for what? Usage tracking?
[20:01:51] 	 cant remember
[20:01:55] 	 it was on wikitech-l maybe
[20:02:15] 	 anyway, i would love to have a nosql srv on our cluster
[20:02:15] 	 the lack of standards bothers me
[20:02:32] 	 also, wikidata might be using one too
[20:02:38] 	 hashar: we may want one for ES and "many small value" storage
[20:02:50] 	 hashar: for example, the flaggedtemplates/flaggedimages tables
[20:03:23] 	 not something i know but sounds like
[20:03:27] 	 interwiki could be there too
[20:03:28] 	 well
[20:03:29] * AaronSchulz  would like an SQL-like subset of an interface
[20:03:31] 	 we could name that Wikidata
[20:03:32] 	 ;)
[20:03:36] 	 New patchset: Robmoen; "If siteNotice is visible, add class and slide it up.  On ve exit, SlideDown fast if hidden by ve" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12472
[20:03:52] 	 AaronSchulz: HBase got something like a SQL
[20:04:22] 	 anyway, I am not going to work on all that crazy stuff. It is probably way over my intellectual capacities
[20:04:34] 	 you should really have a brown bag in SF with analytics and asher
[20:04:36] 	 New review: Catrope; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12472
[20:04:38] 	 Change merged: Catrope; [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12472
[20:06:02] 	 AaronSchulz: I am merging your memcached lockmanager
[20:06:04] 	 New patchset: Hashar; "[LockManager] Added a memcached lock manager class." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/9872
[20:06:11] 	 hashar: I still need to make DBLockManager extend the quorum one
[20:06:28] 	 New patchset: MarkTraceur; "Fix a stray parenthesis" [mediawiki/extensions/EtherEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12473
[20:06:33] * AaronSchulz  will get around to that sometime
[20:07:02] 	 03(NEW) Throw a clean error when user is blocked - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37802 normal; MediaWiki extensions: VisualEditor; (jasper)
[20:07:07] 	 New review: Hashar; "Rebased change." [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/9872
[20:07:07] 	 New review: MarkTraceur; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/EtherEditor] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12473
[20:07:09] 	 Change merged: MarkTraceur; [mediawiki/extensions/EtherEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12473
[20:07:10] 	 Change merged: Hashar; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/9872
[20:07:18] 	 New patchset: Yaron Koren; "Added 'group by' parameter, thanks to patch from Jelle Scholtalbers" [mediawiki/extensions/ExternalData] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12474
[20:07:34] 	 AaronSchulz: merged
[20:07:41] * AaronSchulz  yays
[20:07:50] 	 03(mod) Creation of strange page names - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37801  summary (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[20:07:51] 	 AaronSchulz: I just leave a note about how the DB and memcached lock manager still share a good amount of common logic
[20:08:13] 	 but that will be for later I guess :-]
[20:08:33] 	 New review: Yaron Koren; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/ExternalData] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12474
[20:08:35] 	 Change merged: Yaron Koren; [mediawiki/extensions/ExternalData] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12474
[20:09:31] 	 I got "Undefined variable: organicdesign" error when using the Javascript extension http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Javascript
[20:09:41] 	 does any one has familiar problem?
[20:10:03] 	 any suggestion for a fix please?
[20:10:14] 	 03(mod) Enable LiquidThreads on fi.wikiMedia.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37778  (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[20:10:17] 	 03(mod) Deploy LiquidThreads extension when ready (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/19699  (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[20:10:47] 	 03(mod) Render interlanguage links in sidebar ucfirst per context language rules - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37705  +comment (10Bartosz Dz)
[20:11:44] 	 03(mod) Enable LiquidThreads on fi.wikiMedia.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37778  +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[20:13:13] 	 DarKnight2012: I am afraid nobody know about that extension beside its author :-(
[20:13:38] 	 hashar: I don't know how tricky https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/11132/ is
[20:14:12] 	 hashar: If I have several js files that I want to use, how can I load them into mediawiki?
[20:15:13] 	 DarKnight2012: maybe write your own extension instead ?
[20:15:45] 	 RoanKattouw: do you have a tutorial to use the resource loader please ? 
[20:16:03] 	 There is documentation, lemme see
[20:16:10] 	 yes, that will be great
[20:16:17] 	 we have http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/ResourceLoader/Migration_guide_for_extension_developers
[20:16:32] 	 would be great to have some very basic step by step tutorial :-]
[20:16:36] 	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/ResourceLoader/Developing_with_ResourceLoader
[20:17:10] 	 DarKnight2012: so maybe you want to write your own extension indeed
[20:17:14] 	 and if you want to know whats going on behind the scenes: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/ResourceLoader/Features (expanding every week)
[20:17:24] 	 the two URL above should give you some hint about how to packages your javascript as a resource module
[20:17:39] 	 that is how mediawiki send the JavaScript and Stylesheets to the user browser
[20:17:51] 	 RoanKattouw: Thanks, so I will have to list every individual js file in the 'scripts' =>, right?
[20:17:57] 	 hashar: thanks
[20:18:07] 	 Aye
[20:18:16] 	 DarKnight2012: yup
[20:18:31] 	 DarKnight2012: you can have a look at some other extensions to find how they did it
[20:18:33] 	 Krinkle: thanks for the link
[20:18:41] 	 RoanKattouw: btw, not sure if you or someone else reviewed the commits ... but we got unit tests for CSSMin now (and CSSJanus coming soon). There's a few bugs and minor enhancement request I filed in bugzilla
[20:19:05] 	 yay
[20:19:08] 	 Didn't see that
[20:19:14] 	 RoanKattouw: the main concern with CSSMin is that I'm afraid we may have to switch from regexes to an actual parser (at least to some degree) due to string values
[20:19:19] 	 right
[20:19:28] 	 Did you see how I worked around that?
[20:19:35] 	 not yet
[20:19:35] 	 AaronSchulz: re 11132 (Rewrote FileBackendStoreShardListIterator to actually work. )  I never read that code :(  Don't know what a shard is even :-(
[20:20:04] 	 e.g. pre.code-json::before { position: absolute; bottom: 0; right: 0; background: black; color: white: content: "{;}" }
[20:20:08] 	 hashar: do you know what containers are?
[20:20:16] 	 the semi colon there is being eaten
[20:20:22] 	 RoanKattouw: tell me :0
[20:20:42] 	 Oooh whoops yeah that's a problem
[20:21:02] 	 RoanKattouw: and possibly in things like url() and attr() as well
[20:21:04] 	 Well at least for URLs we replace a certain ... nevermind that doesn't help at all
[20:21:09] 	 03(NEW) write a resource loader step by step tutorial - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37803 normal; MediaWiki: ResourceLoader; (hashar)
[20:21:30] 	 RoanKattouw: can you elaborate?
[20:22:00] 	 So internally we use ` (backtick) for armoring things
[20:22:13] 	 03(mod) write a resource loader step by step tutorial - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37803  normal->15enhancement; +comment (10Antoine "hashar" Musso)
[20:22:14] 	 So prior to doing anything we replace ` with %29 or whatever it is
[20:22:21] 	 03(mod) Documentation is out of date, incomplete (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/1  (10Antoine "hashar" Musso)
[20:22:22] 	 But that is also broken for non-URL string values
[20:22:31] 	 AaronSchulz: na I don't know what containers are :-(
[20:22:33] 	 Friggin' content: , I've been saying that's evil from the start
[20:22:41] 	 03(FIXED) Increase account creation limits on en.wikipedia for an outreach event (Jun 23) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37741  +comment (10Krenair)
[20:22:46] 	 AaronSchulz: seems to be holding various directories in which you put files ?
[20:23:20] 	 Krenair: make sure to mark shell bug fixed when they got synced on live site :-]
[20:23:26] 	 hashar: yeah, a container holds a list of files/directories
[20:23:46] 	 hashar: why didn't you prioritized  this bug?
[20:23:50] 	 we have FileRepo zones like 'thumb' set up to map to their own container
[20:24:10] 	 hashar, it looks like Reedy just merged a few things in that repo so assumed it was about to be deployed
[20:24:11] 	 matanya: the resource loader tutorial bug ?  That is not really high priori 
[20:24:20] 	 hashar: some containers may be sharded though, so you have cont.00, cont.01, cont.02...cont.ff
[20:24:29] 	 it does have some prio?
[20:24:35] 	 even low
[20:25:00] 	 New review: jenkins-bot; "Build Successful " [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 1 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12476
[20:25:04] 	 hashar: it's like horizontal scaling...some backends struggle with huge single containers
[20:25:22] 	 like swift and how it uses 1 sqlite DB per container
[20:26:04] 	 hashar: anyway, getFileList() can list the files in a container (or in a subdir of a container)...but it has to handle the case of sharded containers
[20:26:15] 	 Krenair: that was indeed merged on live cluster :-)
[20:26:32] 	 it should make the sharding transparent by iterating over the shards...not that only maintenance scripts should run into this case
[20:26:50] 	 hashar, speaking of deployment - you merged something earlier then told me it couldn't be deployed. what was that about?
[20:26:52] 	 03(NEW) Backspace deletes more than one character on newly-added text - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37804 major; MediaWiki extensions: VisualEditor; (jasper)
[20:26:57] 	 for things like purging thumbnails on delete, they are always on one shard, so we don't have to iterate over shards
[20:27:08] 	 03(mod) Backspace deletes more than one character on newly-added text - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37804  major->normal (10Jasper Deng)
[20:27:10] 	 New patchset: MarkTraceur; "Fix revision handling" [mediawiki/extensions/EtherEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12505
[20:27:11] 	 shouldn't be major
[20:27:27] 	 AaronSchulz: so sharing is a bit like us doing a md5 on file and using  thumbs/5/5c/Sommefile.png ? 
[20:27:40] 	 AaronSchulz: which overcome the 8k file descriptor limit on some filesystems
[20:27:44] 	 or 4k or whatever
[20:27:56] 	 yeah, in fact it reuses that same "hash path" sharding to map to container shards
[20:28:06] 	 so 5/5c means cont.5c
[20:28:16] 	 New review: MarkTraceur; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/EtherEditor] (master); V: 0 C: -2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12505
[20:28:32] 	 Krenair: I have merged the change but there were live hack on the deployment servers.  Sam was in the middle of deploying changes, so I did not deploy it myself to avoid a conflict with him.
[20:28:43] 	 Krenair: whatever the change was, I guess it is deployed by now.
[20:28:47] 	 oh, okay. is it fixed now then?
[20:28:52] 	 ok
[20:29:06] 	 AaronSchulz: do you have any 30000 feet documentation about the filerepo terms ? 
[20:29:19] 	 AaronSchulz: like a wiki page explaining what a container is, what a shard is etc..
[20:29:28] 	 I mean, some kind of an architecture document :-]
[20:29:48] 	 though  that might just be in the doxygen documentation
[20:29:50] 	 New patchset: Daniel Kinzler; "Fix session handling in API test cases." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12512
[20:30:01] 	 Krenair: if you find out the change, I can check it on the live server
[20:30:04] 	 hashar: not quite, there is http://wikitech.wikimedia.org/view/Swift/Swift_Container_Name_Conventions
[20:30:09] 	 but nothing comprehensive
[20:30:09] 	 New patchset: MarkTraceur; "Fix revision handling" [mediawiki/extensions/EtherEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12505
[20:30:10] 	 Krenair: I am unlikely to find the change myself though :-(
[20:30:22] 	 New review: MarkTraceur; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/EtherEditor] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12505
[20:30:23] 	 hashar: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/11748/
[20:30:27] 	 Change merged: MarkTraceur; [mediawiki/extensions/EtherEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12505
[20:31:04] 	 AaronSchulz: whenever you got some time to loose, that will be great to write some very basic guide about filerepo :-]
[20:31:14] 	 hm, nope. doesn't seem to have been deployed
[20:31:18] 	 repo/backend
[20:31:36] 	 someday I will move filebackend up a dir, as a sibling of filerepo
[20:31:43] 	 it's quite possible to use by itself
[20:31:54] 	 who do i poke for reviews related to API test cases?
[20:31:58] 	 New review: jenkins-bot; "Build Successful " [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 1 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12512
[20:31:59] 	 of course, not while I have like 6 patches pending ;)
[20:32:10] 	 03(mod) Throw a clean error when user is blocked - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37802  (10matanya)
[20:32:16] 	 Daniel_WMDE_: possibly roan, but he is too busy this week
[20:32:42] 	 Krenair: the autopatrol  on mediawikiwiki is deployed
[20:32:50] 	 AaronSchulz: the answer is always "possibly roan, but he's to busy", so i was looking for someone else
[20:33:01] * Daniel_WMDE_  remembers the good old days when the answer was always "brion".
[20:33:15] 	 03(mod) $specialPageAliases for Banjar (bjn) project - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37028  (10matanya)
[20:33:23] 	 ;)
[20:33:23] 	 hashar, yeah, but admins can't seem to add the autochecked group
[20:33:24] 	 or tim
[20:33:35] 	 'sysop' => array( 'autoreview' ), ?
[20:33:57] 	 yep
[20:34:10] 	 on which wiki?
[20:34:11] 	 03(mod) Write a step-by-step tutorial on how to use ResourceLoader in a (new) extension - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37803  summary; +comment (10Krinkle)
[20:34:13] 	 mediawikiwiki
[20:34:20] 	 New review: Reedy; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/WikimediaShopLink] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12511
[20:34:22] 	 Change merged: Reedy; [mediawiki/extensions/WikimediaShopLink] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12511
[20:34:22] 	 hashar: oh, mid-air conflict
[20:34:23] 	 New patchset: Inez; "In case of IE use non-breaking spaces inside slugs instead of invisible separators - as in different browsers." [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12514
[20:34:26] 	 Krenair: your proposal, right?
[20:34:32] 	 Krinkle: where ?
[20:34:38] 	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Project:Requests/RfC/Autopatrol-related_rights_changes and https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/11748/4/wmf-config/InitialiseSettings.php
[20:34:50] 	 37803
[20:35:11] 	 Krenair: that seems to allow sysop on mediawikiwiki the ability to add users in the 'autoreview' group. I am not even sure which Special page let us do that :-)
[20:35:26] 	 Special:UserRights, hashar 
[20:35:30] 	 03(mod) Creation of strange page names - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37801  04CRIT->major; +comment (10matanya)
[20:35:33] 	 Krenair: But where are the $wgAddGroups entries for editor+ip block exempt, jsut curious?
[20:35:50] 	 Krinkle: we definitely have documentation. The bug 37803 is about creating a newbie tutorial we could point people to  :-]
[20:36:13] 	 Jasper_Deng, I *think* those are added by extensions
[20:36:17] 	 Krinkle: kind of an introduction for beginners
[20:36:18] 	 03raymond *  10/trunk/extensions/ (8 files in 8 dirs): Localisation updates from http://translatewiki.net.
[20:36:29] 	 Krenair: not ip block exempt, I think
[20:36:31] 	 hashar: well short of physically hitting keys on their keyboard, I really think getting started with resource loader is a past point 
[20:36:38] 	 hashar: can you be more specific in what is lacking? 
[20:36:49] 	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Fixed automatic running of SMW updating script when running maitenance/update.php" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12516
[20:37:04] 	 IP block exempt is on a lot of wikis, Jasper_Deng 
[20:37:05] 	 03(mod) Separate header, footer and body input areas for non-javascript users - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37800  (10matanya)
[20:37:20] 	 Definitely not mww-specific
[20:37:24] 	 so you're saying it's in Commonsettings?
[20:37:38] 	 03(NEW) write an example extension for resource loader - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37805 enhancement; MediaWiki: ResourceLoader; (hashar)
[20:38:03] 	 03(mod) write an example extension for resource loader - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37805  (10Antoine "hashar" Musso)
[20:38:06] 	 03(mod) Documentation is out of date, incomplete (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/1  (10Antoine "hashar" Musso)
[20:38:11] 	 InitialiseSettings, Jasper_Deng 
[20:38:12] 	 Krinkle: and 37805 about creating a dumb example extension :-]
[20:38:15] 	 New patchset: Reedy; "Localisation updates from http://translatewiki.net." [mediawiki/extensions/WikimediaShopLink] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12510
[20:38:16] 	 (I just checked)
[20:38:59] 	 hashar: we already have real-world extensions using resource loader linked from the docs. We don't yet have an example extension using RL, that's definitely something that should be done. 
[20:39:00] 	 New patchset: Reedy; "Localisation updates from http://translatewiki.net." [mediawiki/extensions/WikimediaShopLink] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12510
[20:39:11] 	 hashar: we already have a group of example extensions though, probably just implement RL in there
[20:39:21] 	 Jasper_Deng, which is here: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/gitweb?p=operations/mediawiki-config.git;a=blob;f=wmf-config/InitialiseSettings.php;h=c5fd7f4848d6a211cc0cefa2f63cc12922228d49;hb=476373f371bc7a810db3e9b027271d9ca89a6018
[20:39:32] 	 saw
[20:39:43] 	 the shop is down
[20:39:51] 	                 // Deployed to all wikis by Andrew, 2009-04-28
[20:40:06] 	 New patchset: Reedy; "Localisation updates from http://translatewiki.net." [mediawiki/extensions/WikimediaShopLink] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12510
[20:40:33] 	 03(mod) Write a step-by-step tutorial on how to use ResourceLoader in a (new) extension - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37803  +comment (10Antoine "hashar" Musso)
[20:40:39] 	 New patchset: Reedy; "Localisation updates from http://translatewiki.net." [mediawiki/extensions/WikimediaShopLink] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12510
[20:40:50] 	 New patchset: Catrope; "Fix display of edit summary message in save dialog" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12518
[20:40:53] 	 Krenair: shall we ask for the abuse filter changes?
[20:40:55] 	 hashar: you mentioned we have a basic RL example extension that we should point to, which one is that?
[20:40:56] 	 Krinkle: did a bit more elaboration.  Anyway that RL tutorial would be geared toward newcomers .
[20:40:57] 	 I can't find it
[20:41:03] 	 03(mod) shop.wikimedia.org should be HTTPS only - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37790  normal->major; +comment (10matanya)
[20:41:03] 	 there is none :-]
[20:41:38] 	   
[20:41:38] 	 03(mod) Write a step-by-step tutorial on how to use ResourceLoader in a (new) extension - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37803  +comment (10Antoine "hashar" Musso)
[20:41:42] 	 New patchset: Reedy; "Localisation updates from http://translatewiki.net." [mediawiki/extensions/WikimediaShopLink] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12510
[20:41:49] 	 Jasper_Deng, page for it looks good, so yeah
[20:41:53] 	 Krinkle: that would be bug https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=37805 about writing an example extension using resource loader :-]
[20:41:55] 	 hashar: I've found time and time again that splitting documentation for 2 audiences is a failed concept. We can just improve what we have, its not *that* completed for the end-developer.
[20:42:12] 	 and it is already pretty newcomer oriented imho
[20:42:21] 	 Krenair: Should be a simple settings change
[20:42:36] 	 Krinkle: I will myself write the tutorial and extension on my 20% time.
[20:42:39] 	 looking into it now
[20:42:52] 	 I have just opened the bugs because someone asked here about how to add .js file to his mediawiki
[20:43:00] 	 and would have loved to just point to a wiki tutorial :-]
[20:43:08] 	 New review: Catrope; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12514
[20:43:08] 	 Change merged: Catrope; [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12514
[20:43:16] 	 Krinkle: don't spend anymore time on that :-]  You have probably better stuff to fix ;-]
[20:44:00] 	 hashar: Okay, np. Just make sure you don't reinvent the wheel or maybe waste time - we need to spread links and make links more visible, but the docs are pretty good.
[20:44:15] 	 Krinkle: I fully agree the doc is good :-D
[20:44:45] 	 03(mod) CustomUserSignup extension breaks "log in" link when no title parameter is specified - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37786  (10matanya)
[20:44:46] 	 03(mod) Uninstall CustomUserSignup extension from Wikimedia wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37787  (10matanya)
[20:44:57] 	 New review: Trevor Parscal; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12518
[20:44:57] 	 Change merged: Trevor Parscal; [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12518
[20:44:57] 	 New review: Reedy; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/WikimediaShopLink] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12510
[20:44:57] 	 Change merged: Reedy; [mediawiki/extensions/WikimediaShopLink] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12510
[20:45:12] 	 Jasper_Deng, yep, looks like a really simple change
[20:45:20] 	 +} elseif ( $wgDBname == 'mediawikiwiki ') {
[20:45:20] 	 +       $wgGroupPermissions['sysop']['abusefilter-modify-restricted'] = true;
[20:45:20] 	 +       $wgAbuseFilterAvailableActions[] = 'block';
[20:45:21] 	 heading bed for now
[20:45:28] 	 have a good night all
[20:45:31] 	 thanks for submitting to Gerrit
[20:45:32] 	 gnight
[20:45:57] 	 night
[20:47:46] 	 New review: Reedy; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticACL] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12457
[20:47:48] 	 Change merged: Reedy; [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticACL] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12457
[20:48:17] 	 Jasper_Deng: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12522
[20:48:18] 	 hashar: ah, totally mis read the first sentence of that bug I though you said "its great we have a basic rl example"
[20:48:33] 	 03(mod) Feedback page - after first action on a post the "view activity" link is still disabled - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37785  +comment (10matanya)
[20:48:34] 	 thanks Krenair
[20:48:36] 	 gnight
[20:48:54] 	 Krinkle: he sorry :-]
[20:49:16] 	 Krinkle: heading bed for now. Have a good hacking session :-]
[20:51:53] 	 14(INVALID) Throw a clean error when user is blocked - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37802  +comment (10Roan Kattouw)
[20:52:20] 	 03(mod) Create examples extension for ResourceLoader - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37805  summary; +comment (10Krinkle)
[20:53:32] 	 If anyone is available to help with a short url issue. I got the rewrite working fine but editing a page still results in long urls. Any thoughts?
[20:53:36] 	 03(ASSIGNED) shop.wikimedia.org should be HTTPS only - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37790  +comment (10James Alexander)
[20:54:21] 	 New patchset: Reedy; "Add .gitignore" [mediawiki/extensions/NumberFormat] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12524
[20:54:48] 	 New review: Reedy; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/NumberFormat] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12524
[20:54:50] 	 Change merged: Reedy; [mediawiki/extensions/NumberFormat] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12524
[20:55:14] 	 New patchset: Reedy; "Add .gitignore" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticACL] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12525
[20:55:47] 	 New patchset: Catrope; "Actually block blocked users in the Parsoid API" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12526
[20:56:20] 	 New review: Reedy; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticACL] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12525
[20:56:20] 	 Change merged: Reedy; [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticACL] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12525
[20:56:21] 	 New patchset: Christian; "Undo and redo keyboard shortcuts" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12528
[20:56:30] 	 New review: Trevor Parscal; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12526
[20:56:32] 	 Change merged: Trevor Parscal; [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12526
[20:56:41] 	 New patchset: Inez; "Don't use custom handling for left and right arrow while metaKey is pressed as well." [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12529
[20:57:17] 	 New review: Catrope; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12529
[20:57:19] 	 Change merged: Catrope; [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12529
[20:58:31] 	 New patchset: Trevor Parscal; "Undo and redo keyboard shortcuts" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12528
[20:58:53] 	 New patchset: Catrope; "Update VisualEditor" [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.20wmf5) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12530
[20:58:54] 	 New review: Trevor Parscal; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12528
[20:58:55] 	 Change merged: Trevor Parscal; [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12528
[20:59:18] 	 New patchset: Catrope; "Update VisualEditor" [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.20wmf5) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12530
[20:59:22] 	 03(NEW) unreadble text in article feedback due to weird color choosing - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37806 normal; MediaWiki extensions: ArticleFeedbackv5; (matanya.moses)
[20:59:29] 	 New review: Catrope; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.20wmf5); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12530
[20:59:32] 	 Change merged: Catrope; [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.20wmf5) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12530
[21:04:01] 	 03(mod) Wikimedia Shop project buttons and stickers using wrong Wikipedia logo - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37796  (10James Alexander)
[21:06:00] 	 If anyone is available to help with a short url issue. I got the rewrite working fine but editing a page still results in long urls. Any thoughts?
[21:06:53] 	 New patchset: Reedy; "Initial commit of PdfExport code from http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Pdf_Export/Source_Code" [mediawiki/extensions/PdfExport] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12399
[21:07:23] 	 rkitect: how long? https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Main_Page&action=edit is normal
[21:07:30] 	 03(mod) iOS saved pages bug on upgrade from iOS 3.1.2 to iOS 3.2 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37761  +comment (10matanya)
[21:08:52] 	 03(mod) Spam from mediawiki-cvs-bounces - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37690  +comment (10Siebrand)
[21:09:00] 	 03(mod) Spam from mediawiki-cvs-bounces - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37690  (10Siebrand)
[21:09:09] 	 03(FIXED) Please create namespaces in kannada wiki source (kn:wikisource) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37676  +comment (10Dereckson)
[21:09:48] 	 New patchset: Reedy; "Initial commit of PdfExport code from http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Pdf_Export/Source_Code" [mediawiki/extensions/PdfExport] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12399
[21:09:56] 	 03(VERIFIED) Please create namespaces in kannada wiki source (kn:wikisource) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37676  +comment (10Dereckson)
[21:11:01] 	 New patchset: Reedy; "Initial commit of PdfExport code from http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Pdf_Export/Source_Code" [mediawiki/extensions/PdfExport] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12399
[21:11:12] * Dereckson  will flood wikibugs with 10 ku. bug update
[21:11:14] 	 Reedy : for instance, my main page url is http://mydomain.com/wiki/Main-Page and when i edit that it goes to http://mydomain.com/w/index.php?title=Main_Page&action=edit . It actually seems to be doing this with all actions.
[21:11:28] 	 That's normal
[21:11:29] 	 and expected
[21:11:41] 	 i see
[21:11:41] 	 Dereckson: are you changing a lot of bugs? I can disable bugmail for a little while ;)
[21:12:02] 	 5 bugs, 2 comments, one for RESO FIXED, the othert for VERI FIXED
[21:12:13] 	 RoanKattouw: when using ResourceLoader as in the link you sent above, are messages used to check if js files were loaded successfully? 
[21:12:33] 	 RoanKattouw: I could access the messages but my js functions are not working
[21:12:43] 	 (by the way, do we really use VERIFIED status?)
[21:13:12] 	 well don't I feel like a derpyderp now...
[21:13:17] 	 thanks and sorry
[21:13:37] 	 03(mod) Users blocked on any wiki should not be able to use SUL automatic account creation unless given proper permission to do so - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37765  +comment (10matanya)
[21:14:11] 	 RoanKattouw: here was the link to tutorial http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/ResourceLoader/Migration_guide_for_extension_developers
[21:14:41] 	 03(mod) Unable to open diff in Gerrit - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36172  +comment (10Rob Lanphier)
[21:14:43] 	 03(mod) Autosummary in history is empty - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37766  (10matanya)
[21:14:48] 	 New review: Reedy; "I've made the i18n not so scary and fixed all the major whitespace issues in the code..." [mediawiki/extensions/PdfExport] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12399
[21:14:48] 	 Change merged: Reedy; [mediawiki/extensions/PdfExport] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12399
[21:14:49] 	 New patchset: Trevor Parscal; "Fixed drop-down menu to match items more carefully" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12535
[21:15:15] 	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/VisualEditor:Welcome says "focussed" and "prioritised". Jdforrester is in the house.
[21:15:37] 	 03(mod) Notice: Undefined index: article in ../AbuseFilterVariableHolder.php on line 278 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37767  +comment (10matanya)
[21:15:39] 	 lol, I broke https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/VisualEditor:Test !!!!!oneone
[21:15:48] 	 03(mod) Loading of a change for review in Gerrit is often very slow - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35612   +ops (10Rob Lanphier)
[21:16:00] 	 03(FIXED) Change namespaces configuration - ku.wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37521  +comment (10Dereckson)
[21:16:02] 	 03(FIXED) Change namespaces configuration - ku.wikibooks - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37522  +comment (10Dereckson)
[21:16:07] 	 03(FIXED) Change namespaces configuration - ku.wikiquote - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37523  +comment (10Dereckson)
[21:16:09] 	 03(mod) Please upload Barack Obama's weekly video addresses from April-June 2012 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37658  +comment (10Tomasz W. Kozłowski)
[21:16:10] 	 03(FIXED) Change namespaces configuration - ku.wiktionary - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37524  +comment (10Dereckson)
[21:17:11] 	 Krenair: I don't understand https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/12533/
[21:17:57] 	 Jasper_Deng, it seems to me that autoreview must get added in somewhere, but the array_diff use in flaggedrevs.php removes it
[21:18:14] 	 03(VERIFIED) Change namespaces configuration - ku.wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37521  +comment (10Dereckson)
[21:18:24] 	 d
[21:18:27] 	 but what about initialisesettings?
[21:18:33] 	 What about it?
[21:18:56] 	 you removed the $wgAddGroups entry
[21:18:59] 	 Yeah
[21:19:00] 	 New review: Matthias Mullie; "Will remove the join and separately fetch it only on permalink page" [mediawiki/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5] (master); V: 0 C: -2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12385
[21:19:31] 	 so... where would this get declared?
[21:19:42] 	 04(REOPENED) Change namespaces configuration - ku.wikibooks - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37522  +comment (10Dereckson)
[21:20:54] 	 lol - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/11082/
[21:20:58] 	 04(REOPENED) Change namespaces configuration - ku.wikiquote - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37523  +comment (10Dereckson)
[21:22:25] 	 Jasper_Deng, I'm pretty sure it's done somewhere, but I'm not sure where
[21:22:40] 	 It doesn't hurt to add a conditional like
[21:22:48] 	 04(REOPENED) Change namespaces configuration - ku.wiktionary - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37524  +comment (10Dereckson)
[21:22:53] 	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Added moar tests" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12537
[21:23:15] 	 03(NEW) nscd negative cache is way too long - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37807 normal; Wikimedia Labs: General; (rlane32)
[21:23:15] 	 I could add it back in just to be sure
[21:23:18] 	 03(mod) Change "Talk Namespaces" on the Kurdish wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37436  +comment (10Dereckson)
[21:23:23] 	 yeah, do that
[21:23:27] 	 you can never be too careful
[21:23:30] * Dereckson  goes out to eat a little bit, ++
[21:25:00] 	 03(mod) mobile veiw has problem with image direct on rtl wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37769  +comment (10matanya)
[21:25:26] 	 03(mod) Gerrit can be bypassed obscuring code changes - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36927  (10Rob Lanphier)
[21:26:19] 	 03(mod) Render interlanguage links in sidebar ucfirst per context language rules - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37705  +comment (10Marcin Cieślak)
[21:26:53] 	 03(FIXED) Commits from the l10n-bot should not spam IRC channels - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35538  (10Chad H.)
[21:26:57] 	 ^demon: ayt? can you check line ends in gerrit? It seems like we have spurious 0x0a at the end of the subject line of approval emails, maybe line ends are the problem with RegisterEmail.vm?
[21:27:21] <^demon>	 We haven't customized RegisterEmail.vm
[21:27:44] 	 03(mod) Upgrade Gerrit to 2.4.1 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37406  (10Rob Lanphier)
[21:27:57] <^demon>	 Anyway, I have to get going.
[21:28:13] 	 03(NEW) VisualEditor freaks out on  - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37808 normal; MediaWiki extensions: VisualEditor; (maxsem.wiki)
[21:28:50] 	 03(mod) allow people to CR -2 (do not submit) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37712  (10Rob Lanphier)
[21:28:54] 	 ^demon|away: but maybe the source was unpacked... do you know where those ^J's come from?
[21:29:13] 	 or is it upstream problem as well
[21:29:31] 	 03(mod) VisualEditor freaks out on  - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37808  +comment (10Roan Kattouw)
[21:33:27] 	 03(mod) Spam from mediawiki-cvs-bounces - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37690   +ops; +comment (10Rob Lanphier)
[21:35:51] 	 03(WONTFIX) Users blocked on any wiki should not be able to use SUL automatic account creation unless given proper permission to do so - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37765  (10Krenair)
[21:35:55] 	 03(mod) gitweb: grep needle is not encoded correctly when echoed back - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37655  +comment (10Rob Lanphier)
[21:36:46] 	 03(mod) Creating a Git/Gerrit/Labs account requires human intervention - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37628   +ops (10Rob Lanphier)
[21:37:46] 	 03(NEW) Hit Enter at the end of a heading, blinking cursor disappears - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37809 normal; MediaWiki extensions: VisualEditor; (sumanah)
[21:38:11] 	 03(mod) Setup logrotate for gerrit logs - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37553   +ops (10Rob Lanphier)
[21:38:57] 	 03(mod) Comments on drafts should not be announced on IRC - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37538  (10Rob Lanphier)
[21:40:40] 	 03(mod) extensions/AbsenteeLandlord seems misconfigured - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37525  +comment (10Rob Lanphier)
[21:41:58] 	 03(mod) Gerrit statistics - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37463  (10Rob Lanphier)
[21:43:02] 	 New review: Robmoen; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) C: 1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12535
[21:43:17] 	 03(NEW) bullet list breaking after changing window focus - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37810 normal; MediaWiki extensions: VisualEditor; (dbaran)
[21:43:43] 	 03(FIXED) extensions/AbsenteeLandlord seems misconfigured - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37525  +comment (10Siebrand)
[21:44:28] 	 03(mod) bullet list breaking after changing window focus - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37810  (10Dan Baran)
[21:45:51] 	 03(mod) bullet list breaking after changing window focus - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37810  +comment (10Roan Kattouw)
[21:46:17] 	 03(mod) bullet list breaking after changing window focus - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37810  (10Roan Kattouw)
[21:48:07] 	 Krinkle: around?
[21:48:24] 	 vvv: yes, but busy  - I'll reply in a few minutes
[21:48:26] 	 03(mod) Enable LiquidThreads on fi.wikiMedia.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37778  +comment (10Dereckson)
[21:48:32] 	 OK
[21:49:36] 	 New patchset: Catrope; "Reconcile the order and completeness of textStyles in 2 different places" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12539
[21:50:27] 	 03(mod) VisualEditor freaks out on  - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37808  +comment (10Roan Kattouw)
[21:50:59] 	 03(mod) bullet list breaking after changing window focus - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37810  +comment (10Dan Baran)
[21:52:19] 	 03(FIXED) VisualEditor freaks out on  - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37808  (10Roan Kattouw)
[21:52:43] 	 Krinkle: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/7274/ — do I understand correctly that there is no better way to require a module from other than it is done here? (that's what the submitter asked)
[21:52:52] 	 New patchset: Inez; "In Firefox hitting enter fires both events - keydown and keypress. We want to ignore key press for enter." [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12541
[21:53:59] 	 03(mod) bullet list breaking after changing window focus - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37810  +comment (10Roan Kattouw)
[21:54:56] 	 New review: Catrope; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12541
[21:54:58] 	 Change merged: Catrope; [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12541
[21:55:36] 	 03(FIXED) Hit Enter at the end of a heading, blinking cursor disappears - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37809  +comment (10Roan Kattouw)
[21:56:22] 	 RoanKattouw: what the hell is the 13 in https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/12541/1/modules/ve/ce/ve.ce.Surface.js ?
[21:56:26] 	 New patchset: Reedy; "Fix undefined property domain in AuthPlugin" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12542
[21:56:53] 	 sumanah: 13 is the ASCII code for newline, so in the context of a keypress that's the enter key
[21:56:58] 	 oho, thanks
[21:57:07] 	 Or rather, it's \r
[21:57:37] 	 03(NEW) editing toolbar float trigger also triggers contextView icon, although there is no context to act on - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37811 major; MediaWiki extensions: VisualEditor; (rkaldari)
[21:58:32] 	 New review: jenkins-bot; "Build Successful " [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 1 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12542
[21:58:48] 	 I think this may be the fastest fix ever to a bug I've reported in software not written by my spouse
[21:59:12] 	 hha
[21:59:22] 	 And it didn't even rely on the fact that we're in the same building
[21:59:29] 	 Hello sumanah.
[21:59:41] 	 Hi Dereckson 
[22:02:05] 	 03(mod) Wikimedia Shop is only available in English - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37797   +i18n (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[22:02:22] 	 Style question. Do we use ternary operator on MediaWiki code or should we prefer an if/else construct?
[22:02:34] * sumanah  defers to experts. Zaran?
[22:02:51] 	 Ternaries are fine if they're not ridiculously complex
[22:03:19] 	 RoanKattouw: does that mean if/else is preferred? 
[22:03:30] * chrismcmahon  would think so
[22:03:40] 	 For less-than-trival things yeah
[22:03:56] 	 I mean something like adjustment = isWrapped() ? 1 : 0; is fine
[22:04:01] 	 Ugh
[22:04:33] 	 If you Ternary spans multiple lines you're doing it wrong
[22:04:35] 	 Somewhere I have the worst possible ternary ever, produced by a decompiler
[22:04:39] 	 But if you have nested ternaries, or ternaries with side effects, or any of that sort of stuff where you're using ternaries for something that's really flow control, you should use real flow control statments
[22:04:40] 	 It's Java but still
[22:04:58] 	 Ok.
[22:05:29] 	 03(NEW) Module cache invalidation for "new" old components - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37812 normal; MediaWiki: ResourceLoader; (krinklemail)
[22:05:41] 	 03(mod) bullet list breaking after changing window focus - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37810  +comment (10Dan Baran)
[22:06:19] 	 I'm used to writing UI tests, where any conditionals at all are a smell. :-)  
[22:06:34] 	 RoanKattouw: got an idea on ^ that NEW one ?
[22:06:40] 	 New patchset: Christian; "No longer using translateRange while exiting list" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12543
[22:06:46] 	 03(mod) Module cache invalidation for "new" old components - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37812  +comment (10Roan Kattouw)
[22:06:49] 	 currently writing, I might test later, maybe you know
[22:07:45] 	 Replied on the bug
[22:07:46] 	 03(mod) Namespace Translation broken - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37783  normal->15enhancement;  +i18n (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[22:07:50] 	 I believe message additions are handled
[22:07:57] 	 But you may be onto something with the file stuff
[22:08:14] 	 Although cases where that actually causes missed invalidations would be crazy
[22:08:35] 	 Dereckson, please don't produce code like this: http://pastebin.com/QfTCHksc :)
[22:09:00] 	 Oh wow
[22:09:15] 	 03(mod) Add DE Layer NS - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37783  summary (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[22:09:18] 	 Favorite part:     : false))))))))))))))))))))))))));
[22:09:30] 	 Overheard: "Why does Firefox think I live in Canada?"
[22:09:32] 	 New review: Dereckson; "Looks good for me." [mediawiki/core] (master) C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/9235
[22:09:40] 	 my eyes!  the goggles, they do nothing! 
[22:09:55] 	 That looks like it was meant to be a switch/case statement
[22:10:03] 	 It was.
[22:10:13] 	 sumanah: Yeah it randomly switches my spellcheck language back to en-ca sometimes
[22:10:13] 	 New patchset: Reedy; "Bug 37783 - Add DE Layer NS" [mediawiki/extensions/Maps] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12544
[22:10:26] 	 I love the new visual editor
[22:10:28] 	 en-ca is good.
[22:10:34] 	 Especially the combobox
[22:10:37] 	 03(FIXED) Add DE Layer NS - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37783  +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[22:10:41] 	 (and its tooltips)
[22:10:57] 	 The old shitty JAD decompiler produced a much better version. But fernflower gave me that..
[22:11:05] 	 Krenair: the most wild ternary operators are write are like $smarty->assign("SCENE_URL", defined('SCENE_URL') ? SCENE_URL : '/' . SCENE_DIR);
[22:12:14] 	 (and it's not a line of code I really like I would have prefered $sceneUrl = ... ; $smarty->assign('"SCENE_URL', $sceneUrl);)
[22:12:27] 	 +"
[22:12:32] 	 -"
[22:12:47] 	 03(NEW) Lost text after deleting to/from EOF - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37813 normal; MediaWiki extensions: VisualEditor; (ssastry)
[22:13:19] 	 03(mod) Namespace Translation broken - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37781  major->15enhancement;  +i18n (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[22:14:55] 	 New review: Siebrand; "Please add the actually requested translation." [mediawiki/extensions/Maps] (master); V: 0 C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12544
[22:15:38] * varnent  emerging from a long conversation with #Freenode staffers
[22:16:54] 	 03(NEW) Text added to line below cursor - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37814 normal; MediaWiki extensions: VisualEditor; (ssastry)
[22:17:05] 	 New patchset: Reedy; "Bug 37783 - Add DE Layer NS" [mediawiki/extensions/Maps] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12544
[22:17:55] 	 New patchset: Christian; "No need to apply selection in this transaction" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12543
[22:18:15] 	 03(mod) Add German namespace translations - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37781  summary (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[22:18:39] 	 any news, varnent?
[22:18:40] 	 New patchset: Ryan Lane; "Adding in missing class variable." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12545
[22:18:51] 	 Krenair: sort of - lol
[22:18:56] 	 New review: Catrope; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12543
[22:18:58] 	 Change merged: Catrope; [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12543
[22:19:01] 	 New patchset: Reedy; "Bug 37781 - Add German namespace translations" [mediawiki/extensions/Widgets] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12546
[22:19:22] 	 Krenair: they're reviewing this whole policy - so there's a good chance for the like-minded wikis of ours to get in - but right now they're not committing either way
[22:20:28] 	 Krenair: basically it appears there's an internal dispute over the interpretation of their founding documents - essentially if it includes "open-content" or just "open-source" projects..some say software only..others see "open-left" projects that are "topical" to qualify..so..
[22:20:40] 	 Krenair: and there's no chance of a policy that covers all wikis happening
[22:20:41] 	 New review: jenkins-bot; "Build Successful " [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 1 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12545
[22:20:50] 	 New patchset: Bsitu; " Disable NOINDEX feature temporarily" [mediawiki/extensions/PageTriage] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12547
[22:20:51] 	 ah.
[22:21:12] 	 Krenair: on the other matters of ops and bots - it's basically "well..we need more staff"
[22:21:32] 	 doesn't appear to be a technical resource issue as much as a financial and human resources issue
[22:21:53] 	 Do they have paid or volunteer staff?
[22:22:04] 	 Krenair: I think volunteer - but I don't really know actually
[22:22:12] 	 New patchset: Reedy; "Define NS' if not already defined (stops errors in LU etc)" [mediawiki/extensions/EducationProgram] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12548
[22:22:20] 	 lol - and I wasn't sure how I wanted to ask "so..you all getting paid for this?"
[22:22:33] 	 I'm a midwesterner  :)  - we don't talk money
[22:22:47] 	 haha
[22:22:54] 	 New review: Reedy; "I did https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/12542/ ...." [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12545
[22:24:19] 	 Krenair: my sense is that if Wikimedia nudges them to accept the few hundred truly open-content and agrees they should reject the thousands of private, commercial or not-"topical" style wikis - they'd likely adopt that policy and perhaps consult with us on apps they're not sure about - eventually they'd join the new affiliation model and request a grant to probably get more staff or whatever as a way of WMF showing appreciation for their open-ear 
[22:24:19] 	 and..you know..use of their stuff
[22:24:27] 	 03(NEW) Delete behavior on eof - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37815 normal; MediaWiki extensions: VisualEditor; (ssastry)
[22:25:13] 	 I'm not sure everyone would like the WMF to become a bully
[22:25:20] 	 Krenair: which seems reasonable enough to me - but like all things - it'll take time - so 6 mos from now..lol..  :)
[22:25:32] 	 :/
[22:25:35] 	 johnduhart: I absolutely agree - but I think you can be an ally who offers advice and not be a bully
[22:26:15] 	 New patchset: Aaron Schulz; "[LockManager] Cleaned up DBLockManager and reduced code duplication." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12549
[22:26:30] 	 johnduhart: and we're probably their largest "client" org - so I'm not sure us asking for their ear is unreasonable or bully-ish - I think telling them "do this or we're gone" would cross that line - yes - "do this or we have to think about what happens next" is a fair heads up and a reality
[22:27:03] 	 lol - probably word the second response nicer..but you get the idea..don't force it just advise/inform
[22:28:19] 	 New patchset: Catrope; "Escape the href attribute on links" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12550
[22:28:21] 	 New review: jenkins-bot; "Build Successful " [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 1 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12549
[22:28:36] 	 Krenair: a lot of it seems to just be a misunderstanding of how wikis work - they assumed most were privately owned and didn't think much of non-wikimedia wikis operated by nonprofits - so my impression is they'd welcome some input as they are sort of walking blind through the woods on this topic - our 30 minute chat educated them immensely - to my shock - so imagine what actual dialogue could produce!  :)
[22:28:51] 	 03(mod) bullet list breaking after changing window focus - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37810  (10Roan Kattouw)
[22:29:04] 	 I just want my wikis to have an IRC home that I can use WM stuff on..so however that comes to be..excellent
[22:29:23] 	 New review: Aaron Schulz; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12542
[22:29:25] 	 Change merged: Aaron Schulz; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12542
[22:30:34] 	 New patchset: Trevor Parscal; "Added support for localsettings.js and improved logging of instance status" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12551
[22:31:44] 	 New review: Trevor Parscal; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12550
[22:31:47] 	 Change merged: Trevor Parscal; [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12550
[22:34:12] 	 New review: Trevor Parscal; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12539
[22:34:12] 	 Change merged: Trevor Parscal; [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12539
[22:37:25] 	 03(NEW) Escaping a number list before a section heading pops you into the section heading - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37816 normal; MediaWiki extensions: VisualEditor; (rlane32)
[22:37:41] 	 03(FIXED) Add German namespace translations - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37781  +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[22:37:57] 	 03(mod) Escaping a number list before a section heading pops you into the section heading - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37816  +comment (10Ryan Lane)
[22:38:39] 	 03(mod) Escaping a number list before a section heading pops you into the section heading - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37816  +comment (10Ryan Lane)
[22:39:53] 	 03(mod) Escaping a number list before a section heading pops you into the section heading - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37816  (10Roan Kattouw)
[22:40:12] 	 03(mod) Typing in a numbered list before a section heading moves the cursor into the section heading - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37816  summary (10Roan Kattouw)
[22:42:05] 	 03(mod) Custom namespaces for ku.wiktionary and ku.wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/28398  +comment (10Dereckson)
[22:43:18] 	 03(mod) [SF] [Patch] 2.4.2; Add two hooks to SF_UploadWindow.php - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36989  +comment (10Yaron Koren)
[22:47:22] 	 New patchset: saper; "(bug 36819) Lowercase csb,cu,dsb,hsb,rue,sgs,szl" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12553
[22:48:23] 	 03(mod) Make language names first letter lowercase where usual - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36819  +comment (10Marcin Cieślak)
[22:48:33] 	 New patchset: Adamw; "When ffname specifies an invalid form, fall back to the 'default' form." [mediawiki/extensions/DonationInterface] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12554
[22:49:24] 	 New review: jenkins-bot; "Build Successful " [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 1 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12553
[22:52:10] 	 New patchset: saper; "(bug 36819) Lowercase be,csb,cu,dsb,hsb,rue,sgs,szl" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12553
[22:52:54] 	 New patchset: Catrope; "Use title for rendering internal links, and guard against undefined" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12555
[22:54:18] 	 New review: jenkins-bot; "Build Successful " [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 1 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12553
[22:56:05] 	 03(mod) Change namespaces configuration - ku.wiktionary - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37524  +comment (10Dereckson)
[22:58:07] 	 Good night.
[23:02:13] 	 03(FIXED) HTML/JS/XSS injection in visual editor (attribute sanitation on links) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34308  +comment (10Roan Kattouw)
[23:03:58] 	 03(mod) Render interlanguage links in SkinTemplate.php sidebar ucfirst per context language rules - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37705  summary; +comment (10Marcin Cieślak)
[23:04:11] 	 New review: Trevor Parscal; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12555
[23:04:13] 	 Change merged: Trevor Parscal; [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12555
[23:07:24] 	 New patchset: Pgehres; "When ffname specifies an invalid form, fall back to the 'default' form." [mediawiki/extensions/DonationInterface] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12554
[23:12:43] 	 New patchset: Catrope; "You know what, just don't render hrefs, these links aren't clickable anyway" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12557
[23:13:59] 	 New review: Katie Horn; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/DonationInterface] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12554
[23:14:07] 	 Change merged: Katie Horn; [mediawiki/extensions/DonationInterface] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12554
[23:17:35] 	 New review: Robmoen; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) C: 1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12557
[23:29:51] 	 03(mod) Enable LiquidThreads on fi.wikiMedia.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37778  normal->15enhancement; +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[23:36:31] 	 New review: Jeroen De Dauw; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/Maps] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12544
[23:36:33] 	 Change merged: Jeroen De Dauw; [mediawiki/extensions/Maps] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12544
[23:38:04] 	 New review: Jeroen De Dauw; "(no comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/EducationProgram] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12548
[23:38:06] 	 Change merged: Jeroen De Dauw; [mediawiki/extensions/EducationProgram] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12548
[23:47:10] * marktraceur  throws up hands
[23:47:16] 	 I don't get it
[23:47:23] 	 
[23:48:38] 	 marienz?
[23:48:40] 	 eps,
[23:48:43] 	 marktraceur?
[23:49:11] 	 Platonides: Etherpad is behaving badly. It's very confusing
[23:49:43] 	 I find it sometimes unintuitive
[23:50:42] 	 Well, the API is also pretty bad
[23:51:11] 	 Anyway, this time, it was actually just me not realizing what had happened
[23:51:28] 	 You see what had happened was,
[23:52:58] 	 gahhhh noooo it's not my fault
[23:53:00] 	 New review: GWicke; "Looks good to me. The default prefix should ideally not be relied on by the editor, so that we can c..." [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12551
[23:53:03] 	 Change merged: GWicke; [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12551
[23:55:32] 	 Oh, maybe it was
[23:56:16] 	 OK, good enough for now
[23:56:25] * marktraceur  out