[00:00:13] <Sid-G>	 20 is out?
[00:00:22] <Krinkle>	 yes
[00:00:22] <Reedy>	 21
[00:00:26] <Reedy>	 dev is 21 ;)
[00:00:26] <Sid-G>	 need to update now, really
[00:00:31] <Krinkle>	 :)
[00:00:32] <Sid-G>	 sitting with 16 here
[00:00:36] <Krinkle>	 O_O
[00:00:45] <Krinkle>	 http://browsehappy.com/
[00:00:56] <Sid-G>	 1 month without the internet and that is bound to happen
[00:00:57] <Krinkle>	 (Powered by Wikipedia data)
[00:01:27] <Sid-G>	 anyways, u want me to just wrap the code in function() {...code...} ?
[00:01:37] <ZombieDan>	 (function() { ... })();
[00:02:01] <ZombieDan>	 You could probably just shove `; false;` at the end
[00:02:47] <Krinkle>	 yup, either iether
[00:02:49] <Sid-G>	 still crashed
[00:03:20] <Krinkle>	 Sid-G: can you paste the full code in a bin? 
[00:03:24] <Krinkle>	 (not in irc)
[00:03:35] <Krinkle>	 I'll try it on http://hi.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%A4%AE%E0%A5%81%E0%A4%AE%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%AC%E0%A4%88
[00:03:40] <Sid-G>	 k
[00:07:25] <Sid-G>	 http://pastebin.com/9deY5QXq
[00:08:10] <Sid-G>	 Krinkle: see and tell me if that can be in 1 regex
[00:08:27] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Kaldari; "Adding a lot more comments and changing Foo RL module to a less abstract example" [mediawiki/extensions/examples] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14273
[00:09:39] <Krinkle>	 Sid-G: Could be, but at least don't manipulate the dom 10 times
[00:09:45] <Krinkle>	 change the string then set one
[00:09:55] <Krinkle>	 once
[00:10:01] <Sid-G>	 use a var?
[00:10:15] <Krinkle>	 For example, or just use chaining on the string prototype 
[00:10:18] <Krinkle>	 but only set v.nodeValue =  once
[00:10:30] <Krinkle>	 that's going to save some computation I suppose
[00:11:24] <Sid-G>	 can .replace be chained into one line?
[00:11:38] <Sid-G>	 .replace().replace().replace().... ???
[00:11:42] <Krinkle>	 Sid-G: Yes, but for clarity I'd recommend doing a line-break+tab after each
[00:11:43] <Krinkle>	 yes
[00:11:50] <Krinkle>	 Sid-G: .replace() is a string function
[00:12:04] <Krinkle>	 'foo'.replace(/o/, 'a') === 'faa'
[00:12:09] <Krinkle>	 that you knew
[00:12:15] <Krinkle>	 but it also returns a string, naturally
[00:12:24] <Krinkle>	 so it makes sense that you can call replace again
[00:12:43] <Krinkle>	 Sid-G: As for the regex, you use use /[0-9/ and use a function as replacement value in which you return an object index
[00:13:08] <Sid-G>	 the replacement can be function?
[00:13:11] <Krinkle>	 Yep
[00:13:21] <Sid-G>	 .replace(,function(){})?
[00:13:22] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Kaldari; "Refresh example extensions:" [mediawiki/extensions/examples] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/13902
[00:13:41] <Krinkle>	 https://developer.mozilla.org/en/JavaScript/Reference/Global_Objects/String/replace
[00:13:59] <Sid-G>	 but that would mean a 10-way switch for the return value, right?
[00:14:28] <Krinkle>	 var map = { '0': '०', '1': .. }; el.nodeValue = el.nodeValue.replace(/[0-9/g, function ( .. ) { return map[..]; };
[00:14:29] <Krinkle>	 not a switch please
[00:14:46] <Sid-G>	 ooh, nice
[00:14:50] <Sid-G>	 a hash
[00:15:48] <Krinkle>	 yep
[00:18:59] <Krenair>	 Krinkle, hey
[00:19:07] <Krenair>	 I'm trying to do https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=38151
[00:19:15] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: SPQRobin; "Change Incubator preference option" [mediawiki/extensions/WikimediaIncubator] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14274
[00:19:38] <Sid-G>	 Krinkle:the func will be return map($1) ?
[00:19:52] <Krenair>	 But var api = new mw.Api(); gives me TypeError: undefined is not a function
[00:20:11] <Krinkle>	 Sid-G: Try
[00:20:19] <Krenair>	 It's fine on MediaWiki.org
[00:20:20] <Sid-G>	 ok
[00:20:45] <Krinkle>	 Krenair: The key is modularity
[00:25:59] <Krenair>	 ok...
[00:26:16] <wikibugs>	 04(REOPENED) Article Feedback - My Contributions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36773  +comment (10Fabrice Florin)
[00:29:28] <Sid-G>	 Krinkle: what's wrong in http://pastebin.com/n3LbyQGG ? it doesn't work
[00:30:16] <Krinkle>	 Sid-G: put the map outside the function, there is no need to initialize 10 object members every time
[00:30:24] <Krinkle>	 and map is not a function it is an object
[00:30:54] <Sid-G>	 yes, when did i make map a function?
[00:31:09] <Krinkle>	 Sid-G: You didn't, but you're calling it as a function
[00:31:14] <Krinkle>	 map(..)
[00:31:21] <Krinkle>	 I assume that throws an error
[00:31:33] <Sid-G>	 thats exactly what throws the error
[00:31:39] <Krinkle>	 a ={}
[00:31:40] <Krinkle>	 Object
[00:31:41] <Krinkle>	 a(123)
[00:31:42] <Krinkle>	 TypeError: object is not a function
[00:31:45] <Krinkle>	 exactly
[00:31:50] <Sid-G>	 yup
[00:32:02] <Krinkle>	 so, treat it like an object, not a function.
[00:32:13] <Sid-G>	 got it
[00:32:46] <Krinkle>	 Krenair: Did you get what I meant?
[00:33:06] <Krenair>	 Yes but it wasn't relevant to the error
[00:33:17] <Krinkle>	 Krenair: Its not an error
[00:33:24] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) [SRF] 1.8 [patch]: SRF_Gallery.php add new slideshow option (using ResponsiveSlides.js plug-in) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38184 enhancement; MediaWiki extensions: SemanticResultFormats; (jamesin.hongkong.1)
[00:33:52] <Krinkle>	 Krenair: Modules are loaded if they are needed. Obviously on the mediawiki.org page you looked there was code that loaded mediawiki.Api because it needed it
[00:34:07] <Sid-G>	 Krinkle: It works :D
[00:34:27] <Krinkle>	 never rely on another module to load something for you, always declare dependencies. 
[00:35:04] <Krinkle>	 Krenair: In the console that means mw.loader.load()
[00:35:24] <Krinkle>	 in a user script, mw.loader.using(), and in a module, set the 'dependencies' property
[00:35:31] <Krenair>	 Oh I understand now
[00:35:33] <Sid-G>	 Krinkle: now all i need is a dropdown menu which passes an input to choose the appropriate mapping (this one or reversed)
[00:36:01] <Krinkle>	 Sid-G: Can you paste the code again, and tell me, is it faster?
[00:36:30] <wikibugs>	 03(ASSIGNED) [SRF] 1.8 [patch]: SRF_Gallery.php add new slideshow option (using ResponsiveSlides.js plug-in) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38184  +comment (10MWJames)
[00:37:44] <Sid-G>	 Krinkle: well, it didn't crash this time
[00:38:34] <Sid-G>	 Krinkle: can it be made faster though?
[00:38:47] <ZombieDan>	 Of course...
[00:39:16] <ZombieDan>	 TreeWalker faling back to classic traversal tricks
[00:39:18] <Sid-G>	 ZombieDan: How?
[00:39:32] <Sid-G>	 Krinkle: http://pastebin.com/gvCQH7PD
[00:40:33] <Sid-G>	 ZombieDan: will that be cross-browser?
[00:40:37] <Krinkle>	 ZombieDan: That only speeds up the 1ms to get the elements. The main gain potential is in the giant loop and the regexes probably
[00:41:11] <Sid-G>	 Krinkle: btw, right now we're only working it on the article content
[00:41:11] <Krinkle>	 this way it doesn't walk the dom
[00:41:31] <Sid-G>	 Krinkle: we should also be including categories, skin etc
[00:41:35] <Krinkle>	 Sid-G: put map outside both loops
[00:41:55] <Krinkle>	 Sid-G: then change '#...' to document.body
[00:42:02] <ZombieDan>	 Krinkle: No the difference to using jQuery for that vs. using a traversal tactic is pretty big
[00:42:34] <Krinkle>	 ZombieDan: Its marginal really. * gets all elements, then a loop of that directly. 
[00:42:37] <ZombieDan>	 Huge arrays of nodes. Piles of overhead. etc... there's a lot
[00:42:54] <Krinkle>	 ZombieDan: Compared to recursive walking the dom manually, not sure if theres much difference
[00:43:00] <Krinkle>	 I'd say put it on jsperf and find out
[00:43:09] <ZombieDan>	 Krinkle: jsPerf is having some issues right now
[00:43:24] <Krinkle>	 yeah, I noticed lately in #jquery-dev some complaints
[00:43:29] <Krinkle>	 we use that a lot
[00:43:41] <ZombieDan>	 But I managed to get one early test in before having issues
[00:44:04] <ZombieDan>	 The jQuery trick was 99% slower than TreeWalker
[00:44:12] <ZombieDan>	 It managed around 5x
[00:44:23] <ZombieDan>	 While TreeWalker did 300+
[00:44:35] <Sid-G>	 btw, we could set the css properties for the list items before this. That'd eliminate some numerals
[00:44:39] <Krinkle>	 ZombieDan: Are you talking about that improvised recurser or the one that we're actually working with now with find()
[00:45:14] <ZombieDan>	 $(...).find('*').andSelf().contents().each(function(k, v) {
[00:45:16] <Krinkle>	 Sid-G: No, those are not in the dom
[00:45:42] <Sid-G>	 Krinkle: what?
[00:45:49] <Krinkle>	 dom=document object model
[00:46:24] <Sid-G>	 ohkay
[00:46:29] <Krinkle>	 Sid-G: List item styles are not nodes (not accessible nodes anyway, more shadowdom probably)
[00:46:30] <Sid-G>	 then we need to do those anyway
[00:46:35] <Krinkle>	 yep
[00:47:34] <Sid-G>	 Krinkle: the latest one's faster
[00:47:41] <Sid-G>	 but still manages to hang the console
[00:48:24] <Sid-G>	 ZombieDan: could you write the code for treewalker'ing this? :D
[00:49:21] <ZombieDan>	 The non-TreeWalker if ( !document.createTreeWalker ) will be more complex than the treewalker code
[00:50:36] <Krinkle>	 Sid-G: http://pastie.org/4201795?2
[00:50:38] <Sid-G>	 ZombieDan: ?!?
[00:51:01] <Krinkle>	 (raw)
[00:51:24] <Sid-G>	 Krinkle: what about the dropdown menu thingy though?
[00:51:39] <Sid-G>	 with two options?
[00:51:43] <Krinkle>	 Sid-G: Do you expect people to switch back and forth per-page?
[00:51:49] <Krinkle>	 You could just make 2 gadgets, as preferences
[00:52:44] <Sid-G>	 Krinkle: needs to be for logged out people too
[00:52:54] <ZombieDan>	 The walker itself will just be something like http://pastie.org/4201803
[00:52:59] <Sid-G>	 Krinkle: I actually had something more on my mind
[00:53:15] <Krinkle>	 http://pastie.org/pastes/4201795/text?3
[00:53:36] <Sid-G>	 the pref for logged out ppl could be saved using a cookie maybe? (But that's secondary to actually having a menu ;) )
[00:54:24] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Kaldari; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14150
[00:54:44] <Krinkle>	 http://pastie.org/4201795?4 (optimized on the converter function, moved outside the loop)
[00:54:54] <Krinkle>	 so it isn't re-created
[00:56:10] <Krinkle>	 http://pastie.org/4201795?5 optimized regex
[00:57:55] <Sid-G>	 ok, treewalker is definitely faster
[00:57:55] <Sid-G>	 but nobody told me if it works cross-browser? and in ie6?
[00:58:24] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Reedy; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/9806
[00:58:38] <Krinkle>	 Sid-G: No, you'll need walktheDom as fallback
[00:58:41] <Krinkle>	 Or just use that only
[01:01:34] <Krinkle>	 Sid-G: http://pastie.org/4201795?8
[01:01:35] <Sid-G>	 how many situations does the treewalker not work in?
[01:01:46] <Krinkle>	 That one will work cross-browser
[01:02:34] <Krinkle>	 http://pastie.org/pastes/4201795/text?9
[01:03:55] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Reedy; "Allow API meta=siteinfo to return list of know variable IDs" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/9866
[01:04:20] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Reedy; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/9866
[01:04:40] <Sid-G>	 Krinkle: the last one's treewalker or walkthenodes ?
[01:05:24] <Sid-G>	 Krinkle: anyways, the menu pleeeez
[01:05:29] <Krinkle>	 Sid-G: treewalker is the same as walkthedom
[01:05:46] <Krinkle>	 except that treewalker is a built-in version of it in Chrome
[01:06:00] <wikibugs>	 03(ASSIGNED) Add functions to get some user info - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38151  +comment (10Krenair)
[01:06:01] <Sid-G>	 so it works only in chrome?
[01:06:20] <Krinkle>	 Sid-G: Don't take my word for it, try it!
[01:06:36] <Sid-G>	 Krinkle: will do.
[01:06:57] <Krinkle>	 Sid-G: treewalker is new, walkthedom has the same speed advantage (slightly less than treewalker since it is still user land)
[01:06:58] <Sid-G>	 The menu needs doing right now though
[01:07:08] <Krinkle>	 I'm not doing anything right now
[01:07:18] <Sid-G>	 pretty pleeez
[01:08:12] <Krinkle>	 Sid-G: You've come a long way, now it is time to take it all and learn from it. Making the many is going to be a lot more work. This is just the beginning.
[01:08:21] <gerrit-wm>	 Change abandoned: Kaldari; "superceeded" [mediawiki/extensions/examples] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14273
[01:08:44] <Sid-G>	 Krinkle: You do know that I'm not into computers professionally
[01:09:20] <Krinkle>	 Sid-G: This may be too much for you at this moment in time, so perhaps post the logic you have (http://pastie.org/4201795) on wiki and ask someone in your community to make the gadget.
[01:09:26] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Kaldari; "Adding a lot more comments and changing Foo RL module to a less abstract example" [mediawiki/extensions/examples] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14275
[01:09:58] <Krinkle>	 e.g village pump
[01:09:59] <Sid-G>	 Krinkle: Have u seen anyone other than me from my community in here?
[01:09:59] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Render interlanguage links in SkinTemplate.php sidebar ucfirst per context language rules - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37705  +comment (10Robin Pepermans (SPQRobin))
[01:10:02] <Krinkle>	 or on meta-wiki
[01:10:23] <Krinkle>	 Sid-G: I don't know where people are from honestly
[01:10:40] <Krinkle>	 I know some people know hebrew though
[01:10:47] <Krinkle>	 I don't know who , but I know there here, somehwere
[01:10:49] <Krinkle>	 sometimes
[01:11:34] <Sid-G>	 somewhere, sometimes.... (sounds like "A long, long time ago... in a galaxy far, far away")
[01:12:03] <Krinkle>	 a bit yeah :P, but seriously there are hebrew people in this channel, but even if not. they don't have to be hebrew to help you (!)
[01:12:21] <Krinkle>	 now I'm going back to other thigns
[01:12:26] <Sid-G>	 ok
[01:12:39] <Sid-G>	 thanks a ton for the help
[01:12:43] <Krinkle>	 You're welcome :)
[01:12:55] <Sid-G>	 which wiki do u want a barnstar on?
[01:13:24] <Krinkle>	 If you insist, lets say Commons.
[01:13:30] <Krinkle>	 Thanks :)
[01:13:35] <Sid-G>	 okey-dokey, commons it is :D
[01:15:36] <Sid-G>	 btw, should i wait till a menu is created or just build this into two gadgets till then?
[01:21:02] <ZombieDan>	 Krinkle: http://jsperf.com/textwalker
[01:25:13] <Krinkle>	 ZombieDan: got 55/2/4 here
[01:25:21] <Krinkle>	 Sid-G: 2 gadgets :)
[01:26:04] <Sid-G>	 :)
[01:26:06] <Krinkle>	 Sid-G: Note that you can also make it load for anonymous users (one of them at least). Have you decided on a default?
[01:26:07] <ZombieDan>	 Chrome 19...
[01:26:18] <Sid-G>	 http://pastie.org/pastes/4201795/text?9 is the final one right?
[01:26:37] <ZombieDan>	 Krinkle: ;) Looks like you have a faster laptop
[01:26:38] <Sid-G>	 Krinkle:There can't be a default without consensus
[01:27:09] <Krinkle>	 ZombieDan: you mean you have? Oh these bars are confusing
[01:27:09] <Krinkle>	 I see
[01:27:33] <Krinkle>	 I suppose I do. Or Chrome 19 has a magic optimization for this
[01:27:44] <ZombieDan>	 lol... I doubt it
[01:27:51] <Krinkle>	 wait what? Why am I on 19
[01:27:56] <ZombieDan>	 lol
[01:28:15] <Sid-G>	 Krinkle:Thats why i wanted the cookie thing for anons. that way, we could track the statistics anonymously (like RTRC) to decide on a default.
[01:28:17] <ZombieDan>	 In any case I'm only running on a MacBook Air
[01:28:24] <Krinkle>	 I'm on a Pro
[01:28:26] <Krinkle>	 literally
[01:28:26] <ZombieDan>	 With piles of other stuff running at the same time
[01:28:49] <Krinkle>	 and lots of stuff (rendering hd at the moment and some shell execution)
[01:28:49] <ZombieDan>	 Krinkle: Trying to crush it?
[01:29:06] <Sid-G>	 Krinkle: btw, what would happen if someone turns on both gadgets?
[01:29:20] <Krinkle>	 Sid-G: It would be the best ever
[01:29:41] <Krinkle>	 50% chance
[01:29:45] <Krinkle>	 whichever gets last
[01:30:18] <Sid-G>	 Krinkle: http://pastie.org/pastes/4201795/text?9 is the final one right?
[01:31:10] <Krinkle>	 let me check
[01:31:24] <Krinkle>	 made it === for faster comparison http://pastie.org/pastes/4201795/text?10
[01:31:31] <Krinkle>	 ZombieDan: Any suggestions? 
[01:32:41] <ZombieDan>	 For non-TreeWalker traversal tactics?
[01:32:49] <Krinkle>	 right
[01:33:17] <Krinkle>	 I suppose I could move the second argument to walk to a named function and pass it to walk or native walk respectively
[01:33:20] <ZombieDan>	 Ditch the recursion entirely
[01:33:24] <Krinkle>	 ?
[01:33:33] <ZombieDan>	 There are two other ways to do this...
[01:33:51] <ZombieDan>	 Firstly the tactic of turning a recursive pattern into a linear queued loop
[01:36:11] <ZombieDan>	 var queue = [document.body]; while( queue.length ) { var node = queue.shift(); if ( node.nodeType == 3 ) { node.nodeValue = 'x'; } else { for ( var i = 0, l = node.childNodes.length; i < l; i++ ) { queue.push( node.childNodes[i] ); } }
[01:36:15] <ZombieDan>	 Something like that
[01:36:30] <ZombieDan>	 But since this is a dom you can actually get away with ditching the queue entirely
[01:37:35] <Krinkle>	 Sid-G: This is from Roman to Devanagari, right ?
[01:37:57] <Krinkle>	 ZombieDan: hm..
[01:38:16] <ZombieDan>	 Basically you go n = n.firstChild -> n = n.firstChild -> ... until n.firstChild doesn't exist at which point you use n = n.nextSibbling and go back to firstChild. Once neither of those work you use parentNode and move on to the nextSibbling
[01:38:37] <Krinkle>	 queue.push.apply( queue, childNodes )
[01:38:38] <Krinkle>	 :D
[01:38:45] <ZombieDan>	 Heh... right, forgot
[01:39:00] <ZombieDan>	 Though not sure, you might actually have to splice those
[01:39:01] <Krinkle>	 not sure if that works, but seems attractive
[01:39:07] <Krinkle>	 yeah,
[01:39:08] <ZombieDan>	 slice*
[01:39:40] <ZombieDan>	 That's a trick I use in a lot of cases where it looks like I'm going to be doing functional recursion for more than a few levels
[01:40:01] <Krinkle>	 ZombieDan: How is that different from walk the dom, in essense?
[01:40:12] <ZombieDan>	 Which one?
[01:40:16] <Krinkle>	 the last one
[01:40:33] <ZombieDan>	 It too would be done in a single loop
[01:40:38] <ZombieDan>	 And it wouldn't have a queue
[01:41:09] <ZombieDan>	 Memory wise it would be the O(1) way to do this.
[01:41:11] <Krinkle>	 ZombieDan: walkTheDOM doesn't appear queue-like?
[01:41:30] <ZombieDan>	 Krinkle: It's a recursive function
[01:41:47] <Krinkle>	 right
[01:41:55] <Krinkle>	 yours would be a recursive loop
[01:42:03] <ZombieDan>	 I'm saying that third tactic is a non-recursive linear loop with no recursive functions or queues
[01:42:08] <ZombieDan>	 No...
[01:42:09] <Krinkle>	 instead of a loop inside a recursive function
[01:42:15] <ZombieDan>	 I guess it's hard to convey without actual code.
[01:42:28] <ZombieDan>	 *sigh* have to pause the work timer again
[01:43:45] <Krinkle>	 There may be a logical different, but in essence walking the dom top to bottom seems effectively the same as doing it linear. walking may be more efficient because it doesn't go back up to the same elements it was already in
[01:44:28] <Krinkle>	 could be better in performance though
[01:44:29] <Krinkle>	 i.e. no parentNode
[01:44:47] <Krinkle>	 Sid-G: This is from Roman to Devanagari, right ?
[01:44:48] <Krinkle>	 [03:37am]
[01:44:50] * Sid-G  waits

[01:45:03] <Sid-G>	 Krinkle: 7:14am
[01:45:14] <Sid-G>	 Krinkle: both ways is needed
[01:45:26] <Sid-G>	 Krinkle: so that the anons can choose
[01:45:27] <Krinkle>	 I know, but I want to give my file a name :)
[01:45:37] <Krinkle>	 this is roman to Devanagari, right?
[01:45:37] <Sid-G>	 arabic to nagari
[01:45:48] <Sid-G>	 these are arabic numerals: 123
[01:45:59] <Sid-G>	 roman numerals are : I II III
[01:46:06] <Krinkle>	 oh, right
[01:46:13] <Krinkle>	 I tend to consider everything in europe to be roman :P
[01:46:16] <Sid-G>	 the other ones are nagari/devanagari
[01:46:55] <Sid-G>	 so u guys are coming up with a better performing code?
[01:47:07] <Sid-G>	 i should wait before putting up the gadgets?
[01:48:45] <Sid-G>	 ?
[01:50:50] <Krinkle>	 I'm integrating performance improvement for new browsers with createTreeWalker
[01:50:57] <Krinkle>	 should be enough for now
[01:51:39] <ZombieDan>	 Krinkle: Conceptually this pattern is hell to think about... but here's some untested code that 'should' implement that pattern
[01:51:42] <ZombieDan>	 http://p.defau.lt/?bnvrNEOWkYRKiY5SgIZppg
[01:51:43] <Sid-G>	 i'm sitting ready to add the gadgets, two blank gadget pages and gadgets-definition open :D
[01:52:24] <Krinkle>	 Sid-G: http://pastie.org/pastes/4201795/text?12
[01:52:46] <Krinkle>	 Sid-G: This is a lot faster than the old version, only for modern browsers. It has a fallback to the other method for older browsers
[01:52:48] <Krinkle>	 best for both
[01:53:01] <Krinkle>	 ZombieDan: createTreeWalker is really fast!
[01:53:20] <ZombieDan>	 Krinkle: Yup... it's a native api
[01:53:38] <Sid-G>	 Krinkle: why is it inside an anonymous function?'
[01:53:38] <ZombieDan>	 Well... except for Firefox it appears, which could use some improvements to it's dom engine
[01:53:51] <Krinkle>	 Sid-G: Module pattern, to avoid scope leakage
[01:54:12] <Sid-G>	 Krinkle: that's supposed to be kept that way on-wiki?
[01:54:28] <Krinkle>	 Since we're talking gadgets now instead of little snippets, I thought it'd be appropiate to add a closure and a doc comment
[01:54:28] <Krinkle>	 Sid-G: yes
[01:54:35] <Sid-G>	 and: what in this gadget did i write?
[01:55:04] <Sid-G>	 i do need to add this:
[01:55:05] <Sid-G>	 $('ol:lang(hi) li, ol.references, li.references').css('list-style-type','devanagari !important');
[01:55:20] <Sid-G>	 inside the function or outside?
[01:55:38] <Krinkle>	 don't use !important
[01:55:55] <Sid-G>	 Krinkle: its already specified as decimal in common.js
[01:56:04] <Krinkle>	 doesn't matter
[01:56:08] <Sid-G>	 k
[01:56:13] <Krinkle>	 this is style properties
[01:56:17] <Krinkle>	 those only have one value
[01:56:25] <Krinkle>	 any time it is set, it is overridden
[01:56:32] <Sid-G>	 btw, within the anon function or outside it?
[01:56:35] <Krinkle>	 outside the functions, but inside the closure
[01:58:01] <Sid-G>	 http://pastie.org/4202008 ?
[01:59:18] <Sid-G>	 Krinkle: ?
[01:59:23] <Krinkle>	 Sid-G: No, actually,don't out it in javasceipt
[01:59:35] <Krinkle>	 there is no need to manipulate the style property of each list
[01:59:42] <Krinkle>	 use a gadget css file
[01:59:47] <Krinkle>	 that's what its for
[01:59:49] <Sid-G>	 ok
[02:00:03] <Sid-G>	 one more page to create and maintain
[02:00:06] <Sid-G>	 though
[02:00:23] <Krinkle>	 its faster
[02:00:27] <Sid-G>	 ok
[02:00:39] <Krinkle>	 http://pastie.org/pastes/4201795/text?13
[02:01:56] <Sid-G>	 so this is it then, or any revisions to do?
[02:03:18] <Sid-G>	 Krinkle: ?
[02:03:22] <Krinkle>	 yes, we can reduce the scope chain lookups
[02:03:46] <Krinkle>	 http://pastie.org/4201795?15
[02:04:07] <Sid-G>	 remove my name from the authors next time btw
[02:04:43] <Sid-G>	 i haven't actually done anything in this (except asking you for help)
[02:05:45] <Krinkle>	 as you wish
[02:05:49] <Krinkle>	 http://pastie.org/pastes/4201795/text?16
[02:06:09] <Krinkle>	 ZombieDan: very interesting model, got a jsperf for that?
[02:06:29] <ZombieDan>	 No... didn't feel like perfecting that code
[02:06:34] <Sid-G>	 btw, just flipping the map will make the other gadget, right?
[02:06:41] <Krinkle>	 the lack of tail recursion optimization in js will probably make that linear one win even better
[02:06:50] <Krinkle>	 Sid-G: Pretty much, yes.
[02:06:58] <Krinkle>	 Sid-G: Eh, and the regex
[02:07:05] <Sid-G>	 oh yeah
[02:07:08] <Krinkle>	 You'll have to figure that out somehow
[02:07:14] <Sid-G>	 btw, no chance of combining them right now?
[02:07:22] <Krinkle>	 no, not right now
[02:07:39] <Sid-G>	 I know the regex, that's not a problem :P
[02:07:59] <Krinkle>	 okay
[02:08:03] <Krinkle>	 added a date: http://pastie.org/pastes/4201795/text?17
[02:08:16] <Sid-G>	 ./(0|1|2|3|4|5|6|7|8|9)/ 
[02:08:21] <Sid-G>	 without the .
[02:08:33] <Krinkle>	 uh?
[02:08:45] <Krinkle>	 that's going to mach Devanagari numerals?
[02:08:47] <Sid-G>	 regex, just change the numerals to devanagari
[02:08:51] <Sid-G>	 no
[02:08:52] <Krinkle>	 right
[02:08:59] <Sid-G>	 i have a non-unicode irc client
[02:09:12] <Sid-G>	 ? : thats a devanagari 0
[02:09:16] <Krinkle>	 for arabic numerals 0-9 is nice though
[02:09:23] <Sid-G>	 yeah
[02:10:05] <Sid-G>	 can't we just create a simple html dropdown box, position it in the top bar, and bind event handlers to it; right now?
[02:10:24] <Sid-G>	 that'll get rid of the two gadget problem
[02:11:35] <Sid-G>	 ?
[02:12:42] <Sid-G>	 Krinkle: ?
[02:12:57] <Krinkle>	 Sid-G: I'll see what I can do
[02:13:24] * Sid-G  waits :D

[02:19:37] <Sid-G>	 any progress?
[02:20:22] <Sid-G>	 Krinkle:?
[02:20:43] <Krinkle>	 Sid-G: Come back tomorrow, this will take a while
[02:21:01] <Sid-G>	 ok, I'm not putting this up till then. :)
[02:21:45] <Sid-G>	 btw, u could lift the code from narayam or webfonts
[02:23:03] <Sid-G>	 https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/gitweb?p=mediawiki/extensions/Narayam.git;a=blob;f=resources/ext.narayam.core/ext.narayam.core.js;h=ce0b0bfb6e21f83a545fa29f8ad8ac5659d56c12;hb=HEAD
[02:23:33] <Sid-G>	 the menu creator function is at the bottom
[02:24:28] <Krinkle>	 the portal bar next to username it too full
[02:24:29] <Krinkle>	 I'm going to put this somewhere else
[02:24:41] <Sid-G>	 ok
[02:25:04] <Sid-G>	 just keep in mind it should be easily visible for anons
[02:25:08] <Krinkle>	 sure
[02:25:16] <Sid-G>	 thanks
[02:26:08] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Mwjames; "(bug 38094) add new tagformat parameter and sphere support - add parameter [excludetags] in order to filter tags that should not occur in the result set because it might their distort set content - clean up indentation" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticResultFormats] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/13637
[02:26:10] <Sid-G>	 btw, would it be possible to store the anon ppl's prefs using a cookie or something?
[02:26:42] <Krinkle>	 Sid-G: yes
[02:27:01] <Sid-G>	 BIG LOOPHOPE: we forgot the editing pages and the editbox in the preview page
[02:27:07] <Sid-G>	 *LOOPHOLE
[02:27:30] <Sid-G>	 we dont want to be modifying the wiki text
[02:27:31] <Krinkle>	 Sid-G: Can you share the css for the other direction?
[02:27:42] <Krinkle>	 Sid-G: I'll skip input fields and textareas
[02:27:49] <Sid-G>	 ok
[02:27:56] <Sid-G>	 what css?
[02:28:09] <Sid-G>	 that one line?
[02:28:16] <Sid-G>	 change devanagari to decimal
[02:29:39] <Krinkle>	 ah, ok
[02:33:02] <Sid-G>	 oh, btw; if its going to be turned on for even anons; will there be a way for logged-in ppl to turn it off?
[02:33:46] <Sid-G>	 meaning not have the menu show up at all?
[02:34:36] <Krinkle>	 Sid-G: Yes
[02:34:42] <Krinkle>	 they can turn it off in Gadgets under preferences
[02:34:54] <Sid-G>	 Krinkle: Btw, for anons neither of the conversions should be enabled by default, just the menu should show up
[02:35:02] <Krinkle>	 k
[02:35:05] <Sid-G>	 ohkay
[02:35:16] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Vlakoff; "Micro-optimizations in jquery.cookie.js" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14276
[02:35:29] <Sid-G>	 so adding default in the gadgets-definition enables it for anons too.... cool
[02:36:18] <Krinkle>	 anions have preferences too, they just can't change them
[02:36:33] <Sid-G>	 interesting
[02:36:38] <Krinkle>	 (uselang, table of contents, skin etc. those all have "something" as value)
[02:36:46] <Krinkle>	 I mean, they do see a skin
[02:36:53] <Krinkle>	 those are the default user preferences
[02:36:55] <Sid-G>	 hmm, good point
[02:37:10] <Krinkle>	 [default] makes the preference the default preference (checkbox enabled)
[02:37:26] <Sid-G>	 just learned that today
[02:37:34] <Krinkle>	 which automatically means anonymous users see it and everyone else can turn it off/on as they want
[02:39:04] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Krinkle; "jquery.cookie is a third party library. Please submit these as pull request upstream (the url is in ..." [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14276
[02:39:34] <Sid-G>	 btw, the css manipulation will have to be via the js now that we'll have a single gadget, right?
[02:40:12] <Krinkle>	 yes
[02:40:22] <Krinkle>	 Sid-G: But even in js one can add <style>
[02:40:26] <Krinkle>	 so that it is still effecient
[02:41:01] * Sid-G  looks forward to seeing how its done

[02:44:22] <Sid-G>	 Krinkle: btw, i found one unexpected side-effect (not sure whether good or bad). the category names at the bottom appear with the changed numerals. clicking on the +- of HotCat however, shows the correct (original) numerals in the inputbox.
[02:44:59] <Krinkle>	 nothing we can do about that without an event based system.
[02:45:14] <Krinkle>	 MediaWiki 21 will likely have mw.hook events 
[02:45:22] <Krinkle>	 but even then hot cat would have to use those irst
[02:45:24] <Krinkle>	 first*
[02:45:24] <Sid-G>	 another one, redirects of year articles will seem really wierd with the gadget enabled
[02:45:29] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Mwjames; "(bug 38094) add new tagformat parameter and sphere support - add parameter [excludetags] in order to filter tags that should not occur in the result set because it might their distort set content - clean up indentation" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticResultFormats] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/13637
[02:45:38] <Krinkle>	 Sid-G: Weird for who?
[02:45:41] <Krinkle>	 :P
[02:45:42] <Sid-G>	 1991 Redirected from 1991
[02:46:04] <Krinkle>	 Sid-G: Have you thought about [[w:Numb3rs]]?
[02:46:09] <Krinkle>	 Or [[w:Arabic numerals]] ?
[02:46:19] <Sid-G>	 what?
[02:46:37] <Krinkle>	 Titles such as the TV show "Numb3rs"
[02:46:45] <Krinkle>	 or articles about arabic numbers 
[02:47:02] <Sid-G>	 oh, that
[02:47:14] <Krinkle>	 Sid-G: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Project:Sandbox
[02:47:17] <Krinkle>	 a table like that
[02:47:21] <Sid-G>	 hmm
[02:47:23] <Krinkle>	 is going to look funny with the gadget enabled
[02:47:27] <Sid-G>	 troubling indeed
[02:48:02] <Sid-G>	 i get the idea
[02:48:21] <Sid-G>	 having the gadget will still be better
[02:49:06] <Sid-G>	 maybe we'll have a span tag for exclusion?
[02:49:58] <Sid-G>	 Krinkle: you do know that this gadget will potentially be extended for use on other indic wikis
[02:50:54] <Krinkle>	 I don't decide how people will use it
[02:51:04] <Krinkle>	 sure, people can do whatever they want with it
[02:52:02] <Sid-G>	 would there be any improvement if an extension is made out of it?
[02:54:02] <Sid-G>	 Krinkle: Btw, Numb3rs wont be written in the latin alphabet at hi-wp, so that wont be a problem; but yes, others like it are possible
[02:54:50] <Krinkle>	 Sid-G: No, that would fragment the cache and be even more unstable, plus it probably wouldn't be able to get at interface
[02:55:01] <Sid-G>	 *the english (roman?) alphabet
[02:55:03] <Krinkle>	 unless done at the language level
[02:55:21] <Krinkle>	 but that's the problem, there is no language level because nobody agrees on anything
[02:56:17] <Krinkle>	 Sid-G: how do you solve this in reality? newspapers, school books, TV, prices in the supermarket etc.
[02:56:56] <Krinkle>	 # likes on Facebook
[02:57:11] <Krinkle>	 Sounds like something to be solved at the human or computer level, not Wikipedia 
[02:57:14] <Krinkle>	 Sid-G: how do you solve this in reality? newspapers, school books, TV, prices in the supermarket etc.
[02:57:19] <Krinkle>	 and # likes on Facebook
[02:57:22] <Krinkle>	 Sounds like something to be solved at the human or computer level, not Wikipedia 
[02:57:43] <Sid-G>	 did i miss something in between?
[02:57:48] <Krinkle>	 I repeated it
[02:57:53] <Sid-G>	 ok
[02:58:04] <Sid-G>	 reality is different
[02:58:15] <Sid-G>	 arabic numerals are popular in the majority
[02:58:27] <Sid-G>	 nagari numerals aren't taught in most schools
[02:58:34] <Sid-G>	 however, they persist
[02:58:47] <Sid-G>	 in usage in some places
[02:59:09] <Sid-G>	 majority tv, newspapers, magazines have arabic numerals
[02:59:21] <Krinkle>	 right
[02:59:34] <Krinkle>	 I imagine those are also more readable on digital devices and small screens
[02:59:38] <Sid-G>	 but there is a minority (in TV, magazines etc.) which still use nagari numerals
[02:59:59] <Krinkle>	 and Wikipedia?
[03:00:04] <Sid-G>	 never saw nagari numerals on phones or other digital devices except computers
[03:00:16] <Sid-G>	 that too mostly on wikipedia
[03:00:30] <Sid-G>	 wp's always been a see-saw
[03:00:40] <Sid-G>	 never enough on either side to win consensus
[03:01:13] <Sid-G>	 with a small number of contributors, even 5 opposing becomes 20-30%
[03:01:54] <Sid-G>	 atleast 20-30% (if its 5)
[03:06:20] <Sid-G>	 Krinkle: This wouldn't effect the alttext, titletext of images?
[03:06:38] <Krinkle>	 Sid-G: Only the caption as visible on the page
[03:07:01] <Sid-G>	 Krinkle: it should change the alt text and title text too, right?
[03:07:31] <Krinkle>	 its not going to be perfect on the first run
[03:07:37] <Krinkle>	 start queuing up requests on the talk page
[03:07:48] <Sid-G>	 ur talkpage?
[03:07:49] <Krinkle>	 http://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki_talk:Gadget-Numerakri&action=edit&redlink=1
[03:08:11] <Sid-G>	 numerakri ?!? 
[03:08:35] <Krinkle>	 Yes, that's the name I gave it
[03:08:44] <Krinkle>	 Whether you like it or not :P
[03:09:13] <Sid-G>	 does that mean something in some language?
[03:09:28] <Krinkle>	 no
[03:09:36] <Krinkle>	 Other than number rarities ala Krinkle
[03:11:12] <Krinkle>	 a la*
[03:17:33] <Sid-G>	 Krinkle: once the numerals have been modified for a page, will it be possible to reset it back to what the page originally had?
[03:17:43] <Krinkle>	 Not without a refresh
[03:18:13] <Krinkle>	 But one can apply different one after another
[03:18:24] <Sid-G>	 ok
[03:18:26] <Krinkle>	 e.g. arab > daveng > arab
[03:18:51] <Sid-G>	 no hacky way of resetting?
[03:19:22] <Krinkle>	 not to the original state, no
[03:19:39] <Sid-G>	 maybe place an xhr? (Fool the user into thinking its possible?)
[03:20:02] <Krinkle>	 that wil destroy dynamic content
[03:20:09] <Krinkle>	 such as collapsible or sortable
[03:20:24] <Sid-G>	 like HotCat and stuff?
[03:20:32] <Krinkle>	 ?
[03:21:04] <Sid-G>	 Wont an xhr be like a quiet sneeky refresh?
[03:21:09] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Vlakoff; "This library seems to be abandoned" [mediawiki/core] (master) C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14276
[03:21:11] <Krinkle>	 no
[03:21:18] <Krinkle>	 because the state is past
[03:21:42] <Sid-G>	 huh?
[03:21:43] <Amgine>	 past, or passed?
[03:22:59] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Krinkle; "That's the wrong link, we're using carhartl's jquery.cookie:" [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14276
[03:23:21] <Krinkle>	 passed
[03:32:45] <Sid-G>	 Krinkle: btw, this would work on android phones?
[03:32:57] <Krinkle>	 if they support jQuery and gadgets then yes
[03:33:03] <Krinkle>	 this is just ordinary javascript
[03:33:13] <Sid-G>	 ok
[03:33:29] <Sid-G>	 this wont affect wikipedia mobile behaviour though
[03:36:03] <Sid-G>	 Krinkle: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki_talk:Gadget-Numerakri
[03:36:26] <Krinkle>	 thats because mobile strips anything that isn't known to be mobile friendly
[03:36:34] <Sid-G>	 hmm
[03:36:48] <Krinkle>	 right now it replaces the entire load queue
[03:36:53] <Sid-G>	 that'll have to be handled via the wikipedia mobile extension, right?
[03:37:08] <Krinkle>	 afaik it is planned to use ResourceLoader completely at which point this will become supported 
[03:37:11] <Krinkle>	 no
[03:37:23] <Krinkle>	 that would be a disaster
[03:37:30] <Sid-G>	 what about phones which dont support js?
[03:37:41] <Krinkle>	 what do you think
[03:38:13] <Sid-G>	 i have no idea
[03:38:41] <Sid-G>	 and what does Numerakri mean? Google translate fails with it...
[03:38:42] <Krinkle>	 no js is no js
[03:38:48] <Krinkle>	 you already asked
[03:39:00] <Sid-G>	 and you didn't answer
[03:39:03] <Krinkle>	 I did
[03:39:39] <Sid-G>	 i must've gone off irc for a few minutes then
[03:39:43] <Krinkle>	 I suppose you missed that when your connection flapped dead again
[03:39:49] <Sid-G>	 yeah
[03:40:05] <Krinkle>	 <Krinkle+> Meaning? No, no meaning. Just "Number fun with Krinkle" shortened
[03:40:29] <Sid-G>	 numer-a-kri-nkle?
[03:40:39] <Krinkle>	 something like that
[03:40:52] <Krinkle>	 number rarities a la krinkle
[03:41:18] <Sid-G>	 ohkaaaaaay
[03:51:01] <Krinkle>	 !b 37604
[03:51:01] <wm-bot>	 https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=37604
[03:53:35] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Upgrade jquery.cookie to 2011 version - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37604  summary; +comment (10Krinkle)
[03:56:36] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Krinkle; "(bug 37604) Update jquery.cookie.js from 2009 to 2011" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11356
[03:56:43] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Upgrade jquery.cookie to 2011 version - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37604  (10Krinkle)
[03:59:00] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Krinkle; "* Rebased" [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11356
[03:59:06] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Krinkle; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11356
[04:13:25] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Jalexander; [mediawiki/extensions/CentralNotice] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14088
[04:40:08] <Brooke>	 !r 115448	
[04:40:08] <wm-bot>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/115448	
[04:47:26] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Autolink to new Gerrit / Git changesets and SHA-1 commits - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35144  +comment (10MZMcBride)
[04:47:48] <codurr>	 New code comment: MZMcBride; This is related to bug 35144, right?; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/115448#c32905>
[04:51:47] <codurr>	 New code comment: Krinkle; Very much so, yes. I didn't know there was a bug for it.; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/115448#c32906>
[04:51:59] <Krinkle>	 O_O *heart attack*
[04:52:15] <Krinkle>	 I didn't expect a ping from codurr from svn cr
[04:54:03] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Review and deploy Score extension on Wikimedia Cluster - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33193  +comment (10MZMcBride)
[04:57:21] <codurr>	 New code comment: Krinkle; Reminder: Old revs in svn with a "merge to" type of tag. Please remove if already done or no longer ; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110821#c32907>
[04:58:30] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Review SignWriting MediaWiki Plugin extension code and commit it to SVN - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/22215  +comment (10MZMcBride)
[05:01:43] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Deploy Timed Media Handler (TimedMediaHandler) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/27699  +comment (10MZMcBride)
[05:05:33] <Krinkle>	 sf
[05:07:35] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) [SMW] #subobject causes fatal error - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38185 critical; MediaWiki extensions: Semantic MediaWiki; (fastgoldfish)
[05:15:21] <Jasper_Deng>	 Krinkle: I've marked two extensions as obsolete
[05:15:28] <Jasper_Deng>	 but I don't know if I'm citing the right MW version
[05:15:28] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Schwa syncope rule in devanagari transliteration - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35990  +comment (10Amir E. Aharoni)
[05:16:03] <Krinkle>	 Jasper_Deng: link?
[05:16:09] <Jasper_Deng>	 http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:NoAnonymous
[05:16:19] <Jasper_Deng>	 http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Require_Editor_Privilege
[05:19:10] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) [SMW] #subobject causes fatal error - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38185  +comment (10badon)
[05:20:40] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Review and deploy TimedMediaHandler extension (timed media handler) to Wikimedia wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/27699  summary (10MZMcBride)
[05:21:24] <Krinkle>	 I'll check in a few minutes, currently on to something
[05:22:08] <Jasper_Deng>	 thanks, I just need to make sure I'm not misleading our users
[05:30:28] <Brooke>	 Is there a good reason that Gitweb's "raw" link forces the user to download the file?
[05:30:35] <Brooke>	 Shouldn't that under something like... "download"?
[05:30:41] <Brooke>	 that be *
[05:30:50] <Krinkle>	 Brooke: might be related to browser and or apache settings
[05:31:08] <Brooke>	 It might be.
[05:31:10] <Krinkle>	 though it could also be enforced from within gerrit, which it isn't doing
[05:31:33] <Brooke>	 I don't think it's browser-related.
[05:32:22] <Brooke>	 mzmcbride@gonzo:~$ curl -I "https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/gitweb?p=mediawiki/core.git;a=blob_plain;f=includes/DefaultSettings.php;hb=540dfed2a6e42cbd6f761014f9213f311022458a"
[05:32:25] <ori-l>	 content-disposition?
[05:32:28] <Brooke>	 Content-disposition: attachment; filename="includes/DefaultSettings.php"
[05:32:28] <Brooke>	 Content-Type: application/x-httpd-php
[05:32:46] <ori-l>	 oooh oooh what do i win? :D
[05:32:54] <Brooke>	 So something is setting that header. Is this the correct behavior?
[05:33:02] <Brooke>	 I'd prefer if "raw" showed in the browser, personally.
[05:33:13] <Brooke>	 Not sure how typical I am, though.
[05:33:21] * Brooke  gives ori-l a cookie.

[05:34:05] <ori-l>	 Brooke: if you use chrome, i wrote an extension: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/dpfpbhhpecfkhkmponbmaldhfollibde
[05:34:15] <ori-l>	 something equivalent exists for ff, iirc.
[05:34:56] <Krinkle>	 though I don't mind it either way, I like the download option
[05:35:00] <Brooke>	 Hmmm, interesting.
[05:35:06] <Brooke>	 ori-l: Thanks. :-)
[05:35:19] <Krinkle>	 gives me certainly that there is no character mess up, and easier to navigate in my editor
[05:35:21] <Brooke>	 Gerrit's UI just seems intentionally annoying.
[05:35:30] <Krinkle>	 (once you open it and/or have it on auto-open)
[05:35:45] <Krinkle>	 like in viewvc where utf is always crunched up
[05:35:58] <Brooke>	 Well, yeah. That's just viewvc sucking, though.
[05:36:04] <Brooke>	 Browsers can read utf-8 just fine.
[05:36:09] <Krinkle>	 sure
[05:36:10] <Brooke>	 Read and display.
[05:36:26] <Brooke>	 I'm not sure the expectation of "raw" == "download" is reasonable.
[05:37:02] <Krinkle>	 indeed, but would you rather have a different raw or a better label for download?
[05:37:27] <Brooke>	 Different raw would be nice.
[05:37:58] <Brooke>	 I'm currently trying to figure out why and how file moving became a more advanced user right than moving pages.
[05:38:04] <Brooke>	 There shouldn't be any distinction, surely...
[05:40:31] <codurr>	 New code comment: MZMcBride; No, it really doesn't sound reasonable. Is there any good reason to restrict (or encourage restricti; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/93871#c32913>
[05:40:56] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Santhosh; "(bug 38138) Fix Tamil transliteration rules" [mediawiki/extensions/Narayam] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14091
[05:42:01] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Logicwiki; "(bug 38138) Fix Tamil transliteration rules" [mediawiki/extensions/Narayam] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14091
[05:43:16] <Krinkle>	 Brooke: There should be
[05:43:24] <Brooke>	 Krinkle: Why's that?
[05:43:26] <Brooke>	 I was about to file a bug.
[05:43:38] <Krinkle>	 Brooke: Also, it is not considered more advanced. rights have no hierarchy. 
[05:43:41] <Brooke>	 I don't understand why Wikimedia wikis have restricted movefile.
[05:44:01] <Brooke>	 Krinkle: Brion apparently restricted movefile to sysops during its testing phase.
[05:44:09] <Brooke>	 And now we have a filemover group on several wikis.
[05:44:10] <Brooke>	 Why?
[05:44:30] <Krinkle>	 It is done presumably because of linkability
[05:44:31] <Krinkle>	 it affects files on disk
[05:44:31] <Krinkle>	 and globalusage
[05:44:52] <Brooke>	 A lot of things affect files on disk.
[05:44:55] <Brooke>	 Such as purging.
[05:45:00] <Krinkle>	 and in mw core it is also additionally behind a feature flag to enable that feature at all
[05:45:01] <Brooke>	 Or uploading a file.
[05:45:19] <Brooke>	 In MediaWiki core, the movefile right is assigned to the user group.
[05:45:26] <Krinkle>	 Brooke: Yes, but moving a file means people get a 404 error if they linked to a thumbnail directly from anywhere
[05:45:28] <Brooke>	 On Wikimedia wikis, it isn't.
[05:45:37] <Brooke>	 Krinkle: How is that related to anything?
[05:45:46] <Krinkle>	 that's why the feature is disabled by default.
[05:46:00] <Brooke>	 You mean $wgAllowImageMoving?
[05:46:03] <Krinkle>	 If the community wants to grant it to autoconfirmed, that's entirely posible
[05:46:11] <Krinkle>	 not a bug, its a shell request.
[05:46:23] <Brooke>	 The community never asked to have it restricted.
[05:46:34] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Logicwiki; "There was one more change in thikShith test description. Done in PS3" [mediawiki/extensions/Narayam] (master) C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14091
[05:47:23] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Santhosh; [mediawiki/extensions/Narayam] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14091
[05:55:10] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Moving files on Wikimedia wikis is needlessly restricted - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38186 normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (b)
[05:55:24] <ori-l>	 is there an appropriately prod-like dev environment puppet config that is usable w/vagrant?
[05:55:30] <Brooke>	 So the issue wasn't setting it false for 'user', it was not setting setting it true for 'autoconfirmed'.
[05:56:05] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Allow autoconfirmed users to move files on Wikimedia wikis by default - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38186  summary (10MZMcBride)
[06:04:55] <bonsaikitten>	 guh. where on earth are the timeouts hardcoded, and why are they so silly low
[06:05:07] <bonsaikitten>	 I'm getting tired of cluebatting things into shape by ripping out random bits
[06:10:53] <Brooke>	 bonsaikitten: What timeouts are you hitting?
[06:11:10] <Brooke>	 Usually they're set to avoid stupid users/processes that eat too many resources.
[06:11:15] <bonsaikitten>	 Brooke: I think it's a php timeout of 50 seconds
[06:11:20] <Brooke>	 PHP is stupid. People are stupid. Timeouts work against this stupidity.
[06:11:32] <bonsaikitten>	 not quite sure, all I know is that because MW is too slow I hit timeouts
[06:11:38] <Brooke>	 Too slow to do what?
[06:11:41] <bonsaikitten>	 and it's reliably at 50 seconds
[06:11:43] <Brooke>	 What actions cause the timeouts?
[06:11:48] <bonsaikitten>	 oh, just a query on a nontrivial dataset
[06:11:51] <Brooke>	 Uploading a file? Saving an edit?
[06:12:00] <bonsaikitten>	 yes, I do want a list with >100 items
[06:12:02] <Brooke>	 What kind of query? Through the API?
[06:12:22] <bonsaikitten>	 doesn't matter, api has the same limits as wget'ing through index.php
[06:12:31] <Brooke>	 It does matter.
[06:12:35] <Brooke>	 What are you querying and how?
[06:12:41] <bonsaikitten>	 and limits ... y'all need to learn how to return ERRORS
[06:13:00] <Brooke>	 If the API is taking 50 seconds to return data, that sounds like a bug or a bad setup.
[06:13:02] <bonsaikitten>	 these things that happen when something goes wrong. Don't give me a bag of stuff in the hope that it might be what I wanted
[06:13:05] <Brooke>	 It shouldn't be doing that.
[06:13:13] <bonsaikitten>	 no, the DB only does ~800qps per thread
[06:13:15] <Brooke>	 If you're doing weird queries via SMW or something, that's something else.
[06:14:17] <bonsaikitten>	 yeah, it is SMW, but I'm hitting all kind of dirt because MW is misbehaving
[06:14:38] <bonsaikitten>	 I would query the DB directly if the data were in a recognizable format in the DB
[06:14:42] <Brooke>	 SMW is poorly optimized.
[06:14:52] <Brooke>	 What data are you after?
[06:14:54] <bonsaikitten>	 yeah, but MW is also quite silly
[06:14:59] <Brooke>	 Sure.
[06:15:13] <bonsaikitten>	 well, I have a few ten thousand items / pages that have SMW categories
[06:15:21] <bonsaikitten>	 and I want to fetch all that have one category
[06:15:37] <bonsaikitten>	 what kills me is that I get truncated at 10k elements quietly, and it timeouts after 50 seconds anyway
[06:15:38] <Brooke>	 I've never used SMW, but I imagine that's tracked in categorylinks?
[06:15:57] <bonsaikitten>	 it's extra sauce in the DB, SMW has its own magic there
[06:16:07] <Brooke>	 If not in categorylinks, there's probably some equivalent SMW table (though I'm not sure why there would be).
[06:17:07] <Brooke>	 bonsaikitten: Is your wiki public?
[06:17:19] <bonsaikitten>	 yeah, but just looking at the DB schema makes me want to get drunk
[06:17:31] <bonsaikitten>	 Brooke: no, it's company-internal - used as project management system mostly
[06:17:34] <Brooke>	 Generally you can retrieve category membership by running...
[06:17:52] <Brooke>	 select page_title from page join categorylinks on cl_from = page_id where cl_to = 'Cat_name_with_underscores';
[06:18:20] <Brooke>	 Though you'll want to either fetch page_namespace as well or specify it ("and page_namespace = 123432").
[06:18:31] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) RuntimeError: command failed with returncode 256 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38187 normal; MediaWiki extensions: Collection; (unikum.pm)
[06:18:35] <bonsaikitten>	 another small complaint - why on earth are there three different escaping styles in URLs
[06:18:55] <bonsaikitten>	 format%3Dcsv
[06:18:59] <bonsaikitten>	 -5D-5D
[06:19:22] <Brooke>	 If you believe you've found a bug, use Bugzilla: https://bugs.mediawiki.org
[06:19:23] <bonsaikitten>	 it's inconsistent and hard to work with :\
[06:19:47] <bonsaikitten>	 heh, you don't want that ;) I tend to be a bit obsessive with bugs
[06:19:48] <Brooke>	 Complaining in here in the middle of the night isn't going to produce great results. ;-)
[06:19:56] <Brooke>	 The more bugs, the better.
[06:19:57] <bonsaikitten>	 what, it's 2pm
[06:20:02] <Brooke>	 Not in the real world.
[06:20:06] <Brooke>	 It's 2 a.m.
[06:20:22] <bonsaikitten>	 oh, you're one of them silly USians ;)
[06:40:43] <OverlordQ>	 wut
[06:42:59] <wikibugs>	 03(ASSIGNED) custom license: wrong link to Copyright_tags - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33544   +patch-need-review (10matanya)
[06:47:51] <wikibugs>	 03(WONTFIX) Navigation headings should not be lower-cased in German (and other languages) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/19295  +comment (10matanya)
[06:50:01] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Tim Starling; "Updated Ace" [mediawiki/extensions/CodeEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14278
[06:56:11] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Chughakshay16; "UI elements for the extension" [mediawiki/extensions/ConventionExtension] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14052
[07:00:26] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) [Regression] ExtensionDistributor: SVN-only extensions no longer downloadable - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38188 major; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (krinklemail)
[07:00:28] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Use either Git branches + master or SVN branches + trunk for MediaWIki extensions (ExtensionDistributor) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36802  (10Krinkle)
[07:01:17] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) ExtensionDistributor: Implement support for having both Git extensions and SVN extensions (both with appropiate branch list and trunk/master) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36802  summary (10Krinkle)
[07:01:19] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) [Regression] ExtensionDistributor: SVN-only extensions no longer downloadable - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38188  (10Krinkle)
[07:01:45] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) [Regression] ExtensionDistributor: SVN-only extensions no longer downloadable - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38188  (10Krinkle)
[07:01:45] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) ExtensionDistributor: Implement support for having both Git extensions and SVN extensions (both with appropiate branch list and trunk/master) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36802  (10Krinkle)
[07:05:27] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Navigation headings should not be lower-cased in German (and other languages) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/19295  +comment (10Purodha Blissenbach)
[07:09:08] <Krinkle>	 grr. I'm currently updating a 1.18 wiki to 1.19 and its one of those old wikis thats on a shared host with FTP only. Then those snapshots are really handy :D
[07:11:50] <Krinkle>	 Special:Version, open all mw-ext-pages in tabs, tar ball 'em all, untar, upload thru ftp to /w/extensions-tmp, fff
[07:27:00] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: IAlex; "I saw you changed escaped() to plain(), they should rather haven been changed to text() to perform w..." [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14204
[07:27:52] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Allow autoconfirmed users to move files on Wikimedia wikis by default - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38186   +shellpolicy; +comment (10Krinkle)
[07:31:18] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Error while marking pages as 'patrolled' - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38189 major; MediaWiki: User interface; (brandonskypimenta)
[07:32:55] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Chughakshay16; "HTML form templates" [mediawiki/extensions/ConventionExtension] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14054
[07:36:12] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Allow autoconfirmed users to move files on Wikimedia wikis by default - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38186  +comment (10MZMcBride)
[07:38:05] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Error while marking pages as 'patrolled' - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38189  major->normal (10Brandon Sky)
[07:40:48] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Error while marking pages as 'patrolled' - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38189  +comment (10Brandon Harris)
[07:49:46] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Krinkle; "Parse error." [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master); V: 0 C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14204
[07:50:27] <Worf>	 hi there - i have some trouble upgrading mediawiki on a debian from 1:1.15.5-2squeeze4 to 1:1.19.1-1 (wheezy/sid). the update.php fails - it looks as if it is trying to do stuff as the wrong user in the database ... 
[07:51:37] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Tobias Gritschacher; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14194
[07:51:45] <Worf>	 ... question kinda is now: what to do in case of update.php errors?
[07:51:48] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Error while marking pages as 'patrolled' - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38189  normal->minor (10Krinkle)
[07:52:49] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Error while marking pages as 'patrolled' - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38189  +comment (10Krinkle)
[07:53:52] <Brooke>	 Krinkle: Bug conflict!
[07:53:52] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Error while marking pages as 'patrolled' - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38189  +comment (10MZMcBride)
[07:56:01] <Brooke>	 Krinkle: Is the token parameter required with action=patrol?
[07:56:27] <Brooke>	 The auto-generated docs don't seem to indicate this.
[07:58:21] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Error while marking pages as 'patrolled' - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38189  +comment (10Krinkle)
[07:58:52] <Krinkle>	 Brooke: token is afaik not module-specific, it is evaluated indirectly by a generic verification method in the API
[07:59:19] <Krinkle>	 but even without the api, this is about MarkpatrolledAction
[07:59:28] <Krinkle>	 not ApiPatrol
[07:59:32] <Brooke>	 Right. I'm thinking about filing a separate bug.
[07:59:41] <Krinkle>	 please do if that's the case :)
[07:59:52] <Brooke>	 I think &token= is required with &action=patrol.
[08:00:00] <Brooke>	 But the docs don't say "This parameter is required".
[08:00:45] <Krinkle>	 Brooke: indee
[08:00:46] <Krinkle>	 d
[08:01:02] <Krinkle>	 https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/gitweb?p=mediawiki/core.git;a=blob;f=includes/api/ApiPatrol.php;h=45d19d0d3319135f875309c8bd8f9f2e8fdf0f65;hb=HEAD#l66
[08:01:28] <Krinkle>	 needsToken() true
[08:01:39] <Krinkle>	 Hm.. it does have that
[08:02:02] <Krinkle>	 Brooke: Does any "token" parameter self-documents as "required" ?
[08:02:37] <Brooke>	 ctrl-f :-)
[08:02:43] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: John Erling Blad; "Reporting of missing items in reply from ApiGetItems." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14279
[08:02:44] <Brooke>	 Or cmd-f for you, I guess.
[08:03:02] <Krinkle>	 I see some extensions with tokens that are marked as required
[08:03:06] <Krinkle>	 but no core modules
[08:03:09] <Krinkle>	 note that its just docs
[08:03:25] <Krinkle>	 the needsToken() parameter is the effective factor that actually does it
[08:03:48] <Krinkle>	 it should be tied into getAllowedParams() and set required property
[08:04:38] <Krinkle>	 Yup, not even api action=edit says "This parameter is required" for token 
[08:05:27] <Worf>	 aaargh ... since when did update.php change from --aconf to --conf ?
[08:05:43] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) MediaWiki API's patrol module's documentation doesn't indicate that token parameter is required - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38190 normal; MediaWiki: API; (b)
[08:05:50] <Brooke>	 Krinkle: Feel free to genericize the bug if you'd like.
[08:05:53] <Brooke>	 Or file your own. :-)
[08:06:02] <Brooke>	 I noticed action=edit didn't do it either.
[08:06:15] <Brooke>	 I wasn't sure how to check whether the token parameter was required. I guess that's just needsToken().
[08:06:34] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: John Erling Blad; "See also https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=37504 and https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/sho..." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14279
[08:06:48] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Report not-found items in ApiGetItems - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37505  (10jeblad)
[08:07:04] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) wbgetitems silently ignores any items it can't find. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37504  (10jeblad)
[08:07:32] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Error while marking pages as 'patrolled' - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38189  +comment (10MZMcBride)
[08:09:08] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) API help docs should set "token" to param-required for modules that use "token" and have needsToken(), getTokenSalt() etc. set - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38190  summary; +comment (10Krinkle)
[08:09:34] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) API help docs should document "token" as param-required for modules that use tokens - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38190  summary (10Krinkle)
[08:10:17] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Error while marking pages as 'patrolled' - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38189  +comment (10MZMcBride)
[08:10:33] <Krinkle>	 Brooke: the reason I don't open a tracker and yours as pending is because it is a central cause/fix point. So fix would be once and for all.
[08:11:13] <Brooke>	 Krinkle: Makes sense.
[08:11:24] <Brooke>	 Krinkle: Can be marked "easy", right?
[08:11:34] <Krinkle>	 I wouldn't
[08:11:52] <Brooke>	 Oh? I wouldn't think resolving this would be difficult.
[08:11:53] <Krinkle>	 its quite complicated to get into the param docs from outside the module 
[08:12:06] <Krinkle>	 we don't want to repeat it into every module
[08:12:06] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Siebrand; "I'm getting more and more respect for the grunt work you're doing on core, Alexandre. Thanks again f..." [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14204
[08:12:09] <Krinkle>	 that would be easy
[08:12:49] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: John Erling Blad; "Merge "Moved string handling functions to Utils."" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14280
[08:12:59] <Brooke>	 Isn't it just a matter of modifying the auto-generated docs when needsToken() is called? 
[08:13:12] <Brooke>	 I wouldn't think changing the behavior there would be difficult. But you know this code much better than I do.
[08:14:14] <gerrit-wm>	 Change abandoned: John Erling Blad; "Fail!! Die!!" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14280
[08:15:34] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Highlighting lines breaks copy&paste - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38191 normal; MediaWiki extensions: SyntaxHighlight (GeSHi); (listenleser)
[08:16:34] <Krinkle>	 Brooke: Like I said, it could be easy for someone who knows the code. But there certainly isn't a line with required=> false in needsToken waiting to be toggled
[08:16:47] <Brooke>	 Heh, all right.
[08:16:51] <Brooke>	 I'll leave the bug alone.
[08:17:01] <Krinkle>	 ask Reedy when he comes back
[08:17:03] <Brooke>	 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:File_mover
[08:17:09] <Brooke>	 Painful level of bureaucracy is painful.
[08:17:16] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Siebrand; "Maintenance for special pages." [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14204
[08:18:32] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: John Erling Blad; "Merge "Moved string handling functions to Utils."" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14281
[08:18:43] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Error while marking pages as 'patrolled' - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38189  +comment (10Krinkle)
[08:19:08] <gerrit-wm>	 Change abandoned: John Erling Blad; "Pokker." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14281
[08:20:36] <Krinkle>	 Is John^ on irc?
[08:23:12] <Krinkle>	 Brooke: OMG
[08:23:16] <Krinkle>	 Brooke: wikitech-l
[08:23:20] <Krinkle>	 "MediaWiki Bug"
[08:23:26] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: John Erling Blad; "Reporting of missing items in reply from ApiGetItems." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14279
[08:23:28] <Krinkle>	 *thats* the php session bug he's talking about
[08:23:29] <Krinkle>	 xD
[08:24:19] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Error while marking pages as 'patrolled' - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38189  +comment (10MZMcBride)
[08:24:30] <Krinkle>	 so the only url he's trying as test target is a self-construcrted url with invalid parameters.
[08:24:31] <Krinkle>	 nice going :D
[08:25:08] <Brooke>	 Do you mean mediawiki-l?
[08:25:13] <Krinkle>	 yes
[08:25:18] * Krinkle  replying

[08:25:55] <Brooke>	 http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/mediawiki-l/2012-July/039520.html
[08:25:57] <Brooke>	 Ah, there we go.
[08:26:16] <Brooke>	 Right... I think that bug is invalid.
[08:26:17] <Krinkle>	 fixing sessions won't make the token valid :P
[08:27:33] <Brooke>	 If you can cross-reference the mediawiki-l thread with that bug, that'd be great.
[08:27:41] <Krinkle>	 yeah, doing
[08:30:09] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Review SignWriting MediaWiki Plugin extension code and commit it to SVN - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/22215  +comment (10p858snake)
[08:34:01] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Review SignWriting MediaWiki Plugin extension code and commit it to SVN - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/22215  +comment (10Max Semenik)
[08:35:23] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: John Erling Blad; "Reporting of missing items in reply from ApiGetItems." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14279
[08:37:52] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Tobias Gritschacher; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14279
[08:39:26] <Krinkle>	 http://bit.ly/mediawikiLatest
[08:39:36] <Krinkle>	 http://bit.ly/wikitechLatest
[08:39:38] <Krinkle>	 er
[08:39:51] <Krinkle>	 http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/mediawiki-l/2012-July/039521.html
[08:40:09] <wikibugs>	 14(INVALID) Error while marking pages as 'patrolled' - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38189  +comment (10Krinkle)
[08:42:06] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) wbgetitems silently ignores any items it can't find. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37504  (10jeblad)
[08:45:01] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) tab button doesn't work correctly for none Latin languages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38192 normal; MediaWiki extensions: WikidataClient; (reza.energy)
[08:46:35] <druid>	 Hey
[08:46:50] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) tab button doesn't work correctly for none Latin languages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38192  (10reza1615)
[08:47:38] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Report not-found items in ApiGetItems - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37505  (10jeblad)
[08:47:39] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) selecting a language by language names does not autocomplete correctly - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37730  +comment (10reza1615)
[08:48:47] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) not obvious you can only add links to existing articles (2) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37509  (10tobias.gritschacher)
[08:49:12] <druid>	 I'm using vector and i made this: http://pastebin.archlinux.fr/448849 vut the sb menu "Vision64database doesn't show up... I suppsoe that i shouldn't do it this way but i can't find how to do it correctly on this help page: http://pastebin.archlinux.fr/448849
[08:50:41] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Remove labels and descriptions when they are empty - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37540  (10jeblad)
[08:52:25] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) api should delete things when set to an empty value. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37776  (10jeblad)
[08:59:06] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) to have translated language names in wikidata - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38193 normal; MediaWiki extensions: WikidataClient; (reza.energy)
[08:59:42] <mjau^>	 druid: hm, Vision64database isn't visible at all?
[08:59:54] <druid>	 indeed mjau^
[09:00:01] <mjau^>	 druid: how odd
[09:00:35] <mjau^>	 but the second indents show? 
[09:00:37] <mjau^>	 ie, the **
[09:00:41] <druid>	 ow, nevermind, i 'm an idiot
[09:00:47] <mjau^>	 hm?
[09:01:04] <druid>	 i should have set Vision64Database|Vision64Database
[09:01:42] <druid>	 But i have a new problem now: Vision64Database shows at the same level than "Asset Core"
[09:02:20] <druid>	 And i want it to be a submenu of "Asset Core"
[09:02:36] <mjau^>	 I don't get it though - do you want them to be links? surely they must be encased in [[]] then?
[09:02:39] <mjau^>	 that's odd 
[09:02:56] <mjau^>	 maybe you're running an old buggy version?
[09:03:06] <druid>	 nah, that's the latest
[09:03:14] <druid>	 i'm editing this on http://localhost/wiki/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Sidebar
[09:03:20] <mjau^>	 oh, the sidebar
[09:03:22] <druid>	 Sorry, i should have said it i guess
[09:03:23] <mjau^>	 hm
[09:04:42] <mjau^>	 my guess is that it doesn't support more than one sublevel :/
[09:05:17] <tale>	 druid: Indeed, submenus are not supported in Sidebar. Unless you install extension that does it.
[09:05:55] <druid>	 Ah, too bad
[09:06:01] <mjau^>	 would any of you know if I can just have the main page accessible, if you're not logged in? Also, I'm using the ldap_auth extension..
[09:06:12] <druid>	 Any name for that extension tale please?
[09:06:54] <mjau^>	 druid: this one does it sort of  https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:TreeAndMenu
[09:07:20] <Krinkle>	 Shouldn't master/HISTORY contain 1.17.[1-5],1.18.[3-4] and 1.19.[0-1] ?
[09:08:44] <mjau^>	 druid: thisone might be worth checking out as well: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:CustomNavBlocks
[09:14:17] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) jqplotbar requires explicit distributionlimit - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38194 normal; MediaWiki extensions: SemanticResultFormats; (mathiaslidal)
[09:14:58] <druid>	 thx mjau^ , the first one seems easier to setup
[09:16:38] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: MathiasLidal; "Change comparison operator to != (allow type juggeling, default value for this parameter is numeric 0) Fix for bug 38194" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14282
[09:17:28] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) jqplotbar requires explicit distributionlimit - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38194  +comment (10Mathias Lidal)
[09:18:48] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Hashar; "I guess you want to add a comment referencing the bug and why there is == instead of ===. That will ..." [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master); V: 0 C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14282
[09:19:06] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) make sure page protection works for data items (2) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37588  (10denny vrandecic)
[09:23:42] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Outdated checkuser-toollinks (spam, pay services, ad domains) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38195 major; MediaWiki extensions: CheckUser; (krinklemail)
[09:24:26] <druid>	 Arg, TreeAndMenu hasn't been updated since 2003 mjau^ :/
[09:24:58] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Outdated checkuser-toollinks (spam, pay services, ad domains) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38195  +comment (10Krinkle)
[09:25:43] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) Sitelinks structure is broken when returned to the client browser - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37827  (10denny vrandecic)
[09:26:37] <tale>	 druid: Try googling with: mediawiki extension sidebar
[09:33:29] <druid>	 Yeah that's what i was doing tale
[09:33:55] <druid>	 That one seems to do the trick, but it's not as nice as treeandmenu and hasn't been updated since 2009 :/
[09:34:02] <druid>	 http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:CSS_MenuSidebar
[09:39:14] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Jeroen De Dauw; "Please use explicit checks." [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master); V: 0 C: -2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14282
[09:44:08] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Daniel Werner; "Language is sticky for form fields now." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14283
[09:44:16] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Fix default value of distributionlimit" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14284
[09:44:45] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) jqplotbar requires explicit distributionlimit - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38194  +comment (10Jeroen De Dauw)
[09:46:56] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Jeroen De Dauw; "Think this fixes the actual issue: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/14284/" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master); V: 0 C: -2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14282
[09:47:35] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Daniel Werner; "Language is sticky for form fields now (DO NOT MERGE)." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14283
[09:48:27] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Matthias Mullie; "Bug 36773 - Article Feedback - My Contributions" [mediawiki/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14285
[09:51:32] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Jeroen De Dauw; [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticResultFormats] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/13637
[09:52:02] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: MathiasLidal; "This should also fix the problem" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) C: 1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14284
[09:54:47] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Jeroen De Dauw; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14203
[09:57:23] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Jeroen De Dauw; [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14284
[09:59:09] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) take over jquery.tipsy plugin - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35241  +comment (10Antoine "hashar" Musso)
[10:04:53] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Render interlanguage links in SkinTemplate.php sidebar ucfirst per context language rules - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37705  +comment (10Bartosz Dziewoński)
[10:06:55] <chombium>	 is it possible to run the maintenance/userOptions.php script without specifying the old value (--old)? I want to set a new value for an option variable to all users
[10:08:12] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Automated builds broken - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36304  +comment (10Antoine "hashar" Musso)
[10:12:42] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) [OPS] debianize PHP5 extension 'parsekit' - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37076  +comment (10Antoine "hashar" Musso)
[10:14:23] <hashar>	 chombium: nop sorry
[10:14:41] <hashar>	 chombium: php userOptions.php --usage  will give you a list of all your user options though
[10:15:05] <hashar>	 chombium: I think I made it to require --old to prevent someone from overriding ALL users options by mistake
[10:16:02] <hashar>	 chombium: you could hack the script locally though
[10:16:18] <hashar>	 or just run the command several time passing the different 'old' values you want to override
[10:16:48] <qchris>	 chromium: maintenance/userOptions.inc:46 is your friend: There it says $curValue == $this->mOldValue
[10:17:04] <qchris>	 chromium: 46->202
[10:17:58] <chombium>	 hashar: thanks for the explanation. the problem is that I don't know what is the old value, and i want to set a new value for all users
[10:18:24] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Tobias Gritschacher; "added basic selenium testing for search functionality" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14202
[10:18:30] <chombium>	 qchris:  thanks, I'll check that
[10:19:40] <hashar>	 chombium: if you haven't million of users, you can try userOptions.php --usage
[10:19:45] <hashar>	 chombium: would list all specific options
[10:20:15] <hashar>	 --usage can take an option name to like 'gender'. Example:  php userOptions.php --usage gender
[10:20:19] <hashar>	 Usage for <gender> (default: 'unknown'):
[10:20:20] <hashar>	  2 user(s): 'female'
[10:20:21] <hashar>	  1 user(s): 'male'
[10:20:48] <hashar>	 so then you could:   php userOptions.php --old female --new unknown; php userOptions.php --old male --new unknown;  # DONT DO IT ;-D
[10:20:55] <hashar>	 fresh air brb
[10:22:41] <jubo2>	 druid: found the http://develop.consumerium.org/wiki/MediaWiki/extensions#NewArticleTemplates ( you were looking for ) editor convenience thing. This enables you to insert skeletons into edit boxes on create article and should work in tandem with Extension:HideEmptySections ( <!-- comments are considered to be "empty -->
[10:29:29] <druid>	 thx jubo2
[10:30:16] <druid>	 So, i've been trying to have this https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:TreeAndMenu to work for an hour, but i don't really know what i'm doing as it's not really detailed...
[10:32:32] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Implement a way to bring GitHub pull requests on https://github.com/wikimedia/mediawiki-core into Gerrit - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35497  +comment (10Krinkle)
[10:32:38] <druid>	 I've added this include("$IP/extensions/TreeAndMenu/TreeAndMenu.php"); to my LocalSettings.php , from what i read there http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$IP this should not be used as i'm running 1.19, right? So, should i replace it by include("extensions/TreeAndMenu/TreeAndMenu.php");  ?
[10:33:38] <jubo2>	 druid: np
[10:34:01] <druid>	 Then it says "Finally, add the CSS stylesheet to your installation by modifying/creating your MediaWiki:Common.css" si i have addred the code that i found in the linked article "MediaWiki:Common.css" to my own "MediaWiki:Common.css"
[10:34:12] <druid>	 Is it what i was supposed to do?
[10:34:12] <jubo2>	 druid: it was in letter N and I've only made it to letter L so I didn't look for it in the right place but A-L ..
[10:34:34] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Set up https://github.com/wikimedia/mediawiki-core mirror - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38196 normal; Wikimedia: Git/Gerrit; (krinklemail)
[10:34:35] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Setup external git mirrors/clones - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35429  (10Krinkle)
[10:34:37] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Implement a way to bring GitHub pull requests on https://github.com/wikimedia/mediawiki-core into Gerrit - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35497  (10Krinkle)
[10:35:09] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Set up https://github.com/wikimedia/mediawiki-core mirror - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38196  +comment (10Krinkle)
[10:35:17] <druid>	 Then, i took the code i found in the section "Usage" of the page and added it to my wiki/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Sidebar&action=edit but trees don't work at all, it simply diplays the menus or so ...
[10:35:52] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Review SignWriting MediaWiki Plugin extension code and commit it to SVN - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/22215  +comment (10Chad H.)
[10:36:23] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Implement a way to bring GitHub pull requests on https://github.com/wikimedia/mediawiki-core into Gerrit - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35497  +comment (10Krinkle)
[10:36:23] <druid>	 then i copied the code in the section "CSS styles for trees" and "CSS styles for menus" to my own  MediaWiki:Common.css but it didn't work either
[10:38:31] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Set up https://github.com/wikimedia/mediawiki-core mirror - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38196  +comment (10Chad H.)
[10:38:58] <druid>	 then i tried subtrees modifying the code in the section "Sub-trees" to things like that http://pastebin.archlinux.fr/448855 but i din't get any sub menus, all three menus are shown like if there was no treeandmenu code, so i suppose there's nothing to interpret it...
[10:39:53] <druid>	 Then i looked at "Adding a treeview to the sidebar (MediaWiki 1.18+)" but i don't know where to add this code...
[10:40:55] <druid>	 Then i looked at "Adding a treeview to the sidebar (if using Vector skin)" but i don't know where to set that code either...
[10:41:48] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Special:NewPages needs option to get rid of "Created page with" comments - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38197 enhancement; MediaWiki: Special pages; (jidanni)
[10:41:59] <druid>	 Any help would really be apreciated, i know that it makes a lot of questions but i'm really lost with this
[10:43:22] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Special:NewPages needs option to get rid of "Created page with" comments - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38197  (10jidanni)
[10:43:22] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Special:NewPages cluttered with "Created page with..." - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/25282  (10jidanni)
[10:44:27] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Set up https://github.com/wikimedia/mediawiki-core mirror - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38196  +comment (10Krinkle)
[10:45:11] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Review and deploy Score extension on Wikimedia Cluster - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33193  (10mybugs.mail)
[10:45:21] <Krinkle>	 ^demon: bug 35429 is a means, bug 38196 is an end :) 
[10:45:23] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Special:NewPages needs option to get rid of "Created page with" comments - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38197  +comment (10p858snake)
[10:45:48] <^demon>	 Krinkle: It's on the roadmap to happen within the next month. I don't see a point for opening a bug just for a single repo.
[10:45:58] <^demon>	 There isn't a way to replicate "just one repo" so I won't be doing that.
[10:46:30] <wikibugs>	 14(DUP) Special:NewPages needs option to get rid of "Created page with" comments - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38197  +comment (10p858snake)
[10:46:46] <Krinkle>	 what i mean is, if we ask thomasz (or whoever has org access in @wikimedia) to set up the repo and grant a few people access, it'd say minutes to set up a cron somewhere and mirror it. Then another 10 seconds to flip 2 switches in the github admin settings and done.
[10:46:58] <Krinkle>	 the set up is also just 2 clicks
[10:47:21] <Krinkle>	 (no big setup like in gerrit, although that has gotten easier as wlel)
[10:48:55] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Special:NewPages needs option to get rid of "Created page with" comments - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38197  (10jidanni)
[10:48:58] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Make planet configuration files in SVN read-only - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36058  +comment (10Antoine "hashar" Musso)
[10:48:59] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) migrate subversion /trunk/tools/planet to git - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37929  (10Antoine "hashar" Musso)
[10:49:36] <Krinkle>	 druid: The manual info on $IP is about the setting of that variable, that is no longer needed in 1.19, but you should still use it
[10:49:49] <Krinkle>	 the instructions are correct
[10:50:39] <Krinkle>	 druid: don't copy the contents of the MediaWiki:Common.css of mediawiki.org
[10:50:52] <^demon>	 Krinkle: It's not a cron to do it. There's built-in replication features in gerrit that we're going to use.
[10:50:56] <Krinkle>	 that doesn't help you because mediawiki.org doesn't use TreeAndMenu
[10:51:07] <^demon>	 I plan to replicate *all* the repos and it's *definitely* on my roadmap.
[10:51:42] <Krinkle>	 great, I just found it taking way too long, that's all. maybe more due to vagueness then it actually being compliated
[10:52:04] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Special:NewPages needs option to get rid of "Created page with" comments - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38197  (10jidanni)
[10:52:23] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Special:NewPages cluttered with "Created page with..." - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/25282  (10jidanni)
[10:52:26] <^demon>	 Krinkle: Sorry if I didn't communicate, but it's on the roadmap ;-)
[10:52:27] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Adding ll_local to languagelinks table." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14084
[10:52:41] <Krinkle>	 druid: so you've just copied a lot of code that has absolutely nothing to do with the extension, I'd recommend you go to "View history" of your MediaWiki:Common.css and undo those edits (or just edit and select-all / backspace and save it)
[10:52:58] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Add option to avoid Special:NewPages cluttered with "Created page with..." - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/25282  (10jidanni)
[10:56:52] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Daniel Werner; "Fixed 'title' attribute for links to data items" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14288
[11:00:25] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Russian Planet Wikimedia not updating - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38198 normal; Wikimedia: Site configuration; (mail)
[11:01:50] <wikibugs>	 03(ASSIGNED) Russian Planet Wikimedia not updating - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38198  +comment (10Antoine "hashar" Musso)
[11:01:57] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Add option to avoid Special:NewPages cluttered with "Created page with..." - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/25282  (10jidanni)
[11:03:34] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Russian Planet Wikimedia not updating - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38198  +comment (10Antoine "hashar" Musso)
[11:14:31] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Only execute current sql for mysql and sqlite" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14291
[11:16:21] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Daniel Werner; "links to deleted items won't throw errors anymore" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14292
[11:18:22] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Adding ll_local to languagelinks table." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14084
[11:20:34] <saper>	 9~w
[11:20:55] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Language variant conversion for labels doesn't work - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37461  (10jeblad)
[11:22:16] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Daniel Werner; "links to deleted items won't throw errors anymore" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14292
[11:23:41] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Adding sites handling" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14295
[11:24:07] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Jeroen De Dauw; "Resubmitted here to convince gerrit the dependency is not actually a dependency: https://gerrit.wiki..." [mediawiki/core] (master) C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14181
[11:24:13] <gerrit-wm>	 Change abandoned: Jeroen De Dauw; "(no reason)" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14181
[11:25:25] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Review API - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38182  +comment (10denny vrandecic)
[11:25:43] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Uppercasing first letter in aliases and labels - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38199 normal; MediaWiki extensions: WikidataRepo; (jeblad)
[11:26:15] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Daniel Werner; "links to deleted items won't throw errors anymore" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14292
[11:27:22] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Demon; "If you're going to abandon and resubmit rather than rebasing it to remove the dependency, please at ..." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14181
[11:32:28] <JeroenDeDauw>	 ^demon|away: what would the command to rebase to get rid of a dependency look like?
[11:32:57] <^demon|away>	 JeroenDeDauw: "rebase" was perhaps the wrong term. The easiest way would be to have a clean branch (without the dependency), cherry pick the commit, then re-push.
[11:33:14] <^demon|away>	 Maybe an easier way, but that's how I'd typically remove the dependency.
[11:35:12] <Coiby>	 Hi, how can I modify "Exclude in print" so that I can print pages that contain a calendar?
[11:35:20] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Daniel Werner; "Deleting items doesn't throw an error anymore" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14296
[11:36:23] <^demon|away>	 Coiby: We have a "noprint" class you can use. So something like <div class="noprint">HIDE THIS FROM THE PRINTER</div>
[11:38:14] <Coiby>	 ^demon|away: doesn't "noprint" do the opposite thing? I want something that is excluded to appear when printing.
[11:38:30] <^demon|away>	 Why is it being excluded?
[11:38:52] <gerrit-wm>	 Change abandoned: Daniel Werner; "might break something else" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14296
[11:39:40] <Coiby>	 ^demon|away:  I don't know the exact reason. I use a Calendar extension whose outputs are excluded.
[11:40:53] <^demon|away>	 Oh hrm. Ask the extension's author?
[11:42:08] <Nikerabbit>	 ^demon|away, JeroenDeDauw: don't we have docs for this: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Git/Workflow#Unlink_bogus_dependencies_.28rebase_changes.29
[11:42:31] <^demon|away>	 Don't know, I haven't touched that page since it started getting out of control.
[11:42:41] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) Russian Planet Wikimedia not updating - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38198  +comment (10Daniel Zahn)
[11:42:46] <Coiby>	 ^demon|away: I'll try. I find many things are excluded when printing, like Magic_words. Is there a general way to stop this? 
[11:44:01] <^demon|away>	 Nothing should be excluded from printing default mediawiki install. It's either custom CSS/extensions or using "noprint" or somesuch.
[11:48:44] <druid>	 <Krinkle> druid: don't copy the contents of the MediaWiki:Common.css of mediawiki.org -> ok thanks :)
[11:48:53] <Coiby>	 ^demon|away: I'm sorry I forget to mention that I'm using Collection extension to generate PDF/ODF.
[11:49:10] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Jeroen De Dauw; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14292
[11:52:05] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Tobias Gritschacher; "protected page selenium test: also testing for description and aliases now" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14297
[11:52:29] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Improve diff visualization - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38100  +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[11:53:53] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Jens Ohlig; "Top." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14202
[11:53:55] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Jens Ohlig; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14202
[11:54:28] <druid>	 Krinkle: there wasn't anything in my MediaWiki:Common.css before so that'll be easy :)
[11:55:04] <druid>	 <Krinkle> that doesn't help you because mediawiki.org doesn't use TreeAndMenu -> what do you mean?
[11:55:54] <druid>	 <druid> then i copied the code in the section "CSS styles for trees" and "CSS styles for menus" to my own  MediaWiki:Common.css but it didn't work either -> i still should do that, right?
[11:56:12] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Unified diff in gerrit - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38100  summary (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[11:57:12] <Krinkle>	 druid: yes
[11:57:42] <druid>	 <druid> Then i looked at "Adding a treeview to the sidebar (MediaWiki 1.18+)" but i don't know where to add this code...  <druid> Then i looked at "Adding a treeview to the sidebar (if using Vector skin)" but i don't know where to set that code either... -> can you also tell me where i'm supposed to add thsi code please?
[11:58:12] <Krinkle>	 I don't know
[11:58:33] <Krinkle>	 I;ve never heard of this plugin until now
[12:02:47] <druid>	 k THX Krinkle
[12:11:25] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Matthias Mullie; "Bug 36773 - Article Feedback - My Contributions" [mediawiki/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14285
[12:12:00] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Article Feedback - My Contributions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36773  +comment (10Matthias Mullie)
[12:14:36] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Translation problem at Romanian Wikiquote - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38200 normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (firilacroco)
[12:16:49] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Tobias Gritschacher; "extended blocked_user selenium test: * added check for description and aliases * added check for item creation special page" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14298
[12:25:43] <druid>	 Krinkle: when i look again i see this "As of MediaWiki-1.18, I've found a good way to get wikitext into the sidebar is to attach a function to the BeforePageDisplay hook with the following content:", if i follow the link to "BeforePageDisplay " it talks about a file called "OutputPage.php" so i suppose that the code whould be added to that file... but i can't find it... Any idea?
[12:25:56] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) Puzzling code in Interwiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37026  (10Amir E. Aharoni)
[12:30:24] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Handling of wording for sitelinks for groups different from Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38201 normal; MediaWiki extensions: WikidataRepo; (tobias.gritschacher)
[12:31:41] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) "specify site" may be changed to "language" and "specify page" to "article" (1) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37543  (10tobias.gritschacher)
[12:34:07] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Tobias Gritschacher; "changed text of edit sitelinks placeholder to "site" and "article". was: bug 37543" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14299
[12:56:54] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Jens Ohlig; "Works as advertised, A+++ WOULD BUY AGAIN." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14297
[12:56:58] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Jens Ohlig; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14297
[13:05:10] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Set $wgCategoryCollation to 'uca-default' and rebuild category sort keys on Portuguese Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35632  (10mybugs.mail)
[13:11:03] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Daniel Werner; "Deleting items doesn't throw an error anymore" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14300
[13:14:51] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Jens Ohlig; "Works like a charm." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14298
[13:14:54] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Jens Ohlig; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14298
[13:16:25] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Jens Ohlig; "Easy chocolate." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14299
[13:16:27] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Jens Ohlig; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14299
[13:16:39] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Database error: "SqlBagOStuff::set". Database returned error "1114: The table 'pc233' is full (10.0.6.50)". - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38202 critical; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (krinklemail)
[13:17:23] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Database error: "SqlBagOStuff::set". Database returned error "1114: The table 'pc233' is full (10.0.6.50)". - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38202  +comment (10Krinkle)
[13:20:15] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Database error: "SqlBagOStuff::set". Database returned error "1114: The table 'pc233' is full (10.0.6.50)". - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38202  +comment (10Krinkle)
[13:21:43] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Database error: "SqlBagOStuff::set". Database returned error "1114: The table 'pc233' is full (10.0.6.50)". - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38202  +comment (10matanya)
[13:22:34] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) database error - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38203 normal; MediaWiki: Database; (reza.energy)
[13:22:53] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) database error - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38203  (10reza1615)
[13:22:58] <wikibugs>	 14(DUP) database error - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38203  +comment (10Chad H.)
[13:22:58] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Database error: "SqlBagOStuff::set". Database returned error "1114: The table 'pc233' is full (10.0.6.50)". - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38202  +comment (10Chad H.)
[13:24:04] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Database error: "SqlBagOStuff::set". Database returned error "1114: The table 'pc233' is full (10.0.6.50)". - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38202  (10matanya)
[13:24:07] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Jens Ohlig; "OK." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14300
[13:24:10] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Jens Ohlig; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14300
[13:26:51] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Database error: "SqlBagOStuff::set". Database returned error "1114: The table 'pc233' is full (10.0.6.50)". - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38202  +comment (10matanya)
[13:27:50] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Database error: "SqlBagOStuff::set". Database returned error "1114: The table 'pc233' is full (10.0.6.50)". - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38202  +comment (10Krinkle)
[13:29:24] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Database error: "SqlBagOStuff::set". Database returned error "1114: The table 'pc233' is full (10.0.6.50)". - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38202  +comment (10reza1615)
[13:35:02] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Database error: "SqlBagOStuff::set". Database returned error "1114: The table 'pc233' is full (10.0.6.50)". - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38202  +comment (10Trijnstel)
[13:36:19] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Database error: "SqlBagOStuff::set". Database returned error "1114: The table 'pc233' is full (10.0.6.50)". - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38202  +comment (10Trijnstel)
[13:37:21] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Database error: "SqlBagOStuff::set". Database returned error "1114: The table 'pc233' is full (10.0.6.50)". - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38202  +comment (10Chad H.)
[13:38:09] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Database error: "SqlBagOStuff::set". Database returned error "1114: The table 'pc233' is full (10.0.6.50)". - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38202  +comment (10shi zhao)
[13:38:11] <hashar>	 Danwe_WMDE: do you know if David Kinzler is around ?
[13:39:14] <saper>	 Daniel
[13:39:29] <hashar>	 grrmblblbl
[13:39:45] <hashar>	 I keep thinking David is the popular / default first name in Germany :-D
[13:40:08] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Pages refuse to load, cite database error ("exceptionally heavy load") - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38204 major; MediaWiki: Database; (gilderien.wiki)
[13:40:24] <wikibugs>	 14(DUP) Pages refuse to load, cite database error ("exceptionally heavy load") - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38204  +comment (10Chad H.)
[13:40:24] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Database error: "SqlBagOStuff::set". Database returned error "1114: The table 'pc233' is full (10.0.6.50)". - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38202  +comment (10Chad H.)
[13:45:26] <freakolowsky>	 whoop!
[13:46:41] <hashar>	 freakolowsky: some table space is full apparently :/
[13:47:05] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Database error: "SqlBagOStuff::set". Database returned error "1114: The table 'pc233' is full (10.0.6.50)". - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38202  +comment (10Krinkle)
[13:47:19] <freakolowsky>	 what? what!
[13:47:50] <joancreus_>	 freakolowsky: #wikimedia-tech
[13:49:24] <wikibugs>	 03(WONTFIX) Review SignWriting MediaWiki Plugin extension code and commit it to SVN - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/22215  +comment (10Stephen E Slevinski Jr)
[13:50:32] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Review API (8) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38182  summary (10denny vrandecic)
[13:52:58] <freakolowsky>	 ha ... didn't know mysql had tablespaces :D
[13:53:15] <wikibugs>	 03(WONTFIX) Set up SignWriting extension on Incubator for testing - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/22216  +comment (10Stephen E Slevinski Jr)
[13:55:28] <freakolowsky>	 now all that's missing are redo log files :D 
[13:55:38] <wikibugs>	 03(ASSIGNED) permissions must be checked on item creation (5) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37989  +comment (10denny vrandecic)
[13:56:23] <wikibugs>	 03(ASSIGNED) Connect repository and client in our test systems - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38172  +comment (10denny vrandecic)
[13:58:20] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Database error: "SqlBagOStuff::set". Database returned error "1114: The table 'pc233' is full (10.0.6.50)". - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38202  +comment (10Krinkle)
[13:58:42] <chughakshay16>	 freakolowsky : hi,
[13:58:52] <freakolowsky>	 ohai
[13:59:15] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Daniel Werner; "Linker::link() handles strings in $query parameter properly now." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14301
[13:59:26] <chughakshay16>	 freakolowsky , just a quick question, should I assume that at any given point there would be only one conference running on a wiki ?
[13:59:57] <freakolowsky>	 nope ... why?
[14:00:25] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: MaxSem; "Per wikitech-l objections from Chris and Chad, please remove namespaces." [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14295
[14:00:38] <chughakshay16>	 freakolowsky, so you mean to say users could be registering to two different conferences at the same time ?
[14:00:59] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Matthias Mullie; "Bug 37950 - Article Feedback - 'View Activity' does not appear in Editor's view" [mediawiki/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14302
[14:01:12] <MaxSem>	 JeroenDeDauw, this code looks as it could have been 5 times shorter
[14:01:30] <JeroenDeDauw>	 MaxSem: what code?
[14:01:42] <freakolowsky>	 yep ... but your model has no issues with this as all confernce specific pages link to a user not from a user ... your model already supports this
[14:01:58] <chughakshay16>	 freakolowsky , yes it does..
[14:02:01] <wikibugs>	 03(ASSIGNED) Descriptions and aliases appear in languages that they should not - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38181  +comment (10denny vrandecic)
[14:02:06] <chughakshay16>	 freakolowsky: there is no problem with thta
[14:02:09] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Database error: "SqlBagOStuff::set". Database returned error "1114: The table 'pc233' is full (10.0.6.50)". - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38202  +comment (10vigorous action)
[14:02:23] <Danwe_WMDE>	 hashar: no, Daniel is not in the office these days.
[14:02:27] <MaxSem>	 JeroenDeDauw, the Sites saga
[14:02:33] <hashar>	 Danwe_WMDE: thanks :-]
[14:02:50] <JeroenDeDauw>	 MaxSem: it could have been 100% shorter since none of it is being used yet :)
[14:02:52] <chughakshay16>	 freakolowsky, i thought that while displaying links for author and submission pages it would be more convenient if user had to deal with just one conference at a time.
[14:03:09] <JeroenDeDauw>	 MaxSem: also would be 3x shorter if you kill all comments and empty lines
[14:03:23] <JeroenDeDauw>	 MaxSem: and another half if you kill the tests
[14:04:04] <freakolowsky>	 well have the links point only to current/next conference and a option to show all
[14:04:16] <MaxSem>	 nah, I don't like the ORM at all - too enterprisey
[14:04:31] <^demon>	 We could reduce the size of MediaWiki if we got rid of it entirely. Useless hunk of junk, methinks.
[14:04:44] <^demon>	 Who needs a damn wiki when you've got a text editor and html files?
[14:05:16] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Article Feedback - 'View Activity' does not appear in Editor's view - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37950  +comment (10Matthias Mullie)
[14:05:19] <apergos>	 as long as it's emacs
[14:05:28] <freakolowsky>	 vim!
[14:05:28] <chughakshay16>	 freakolowsky: okay, got your point.. will implement this in my ui code
[14:05:45] <MaxSem>	 DOS edit.com!
[14:05:51] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Database error: "SqlBagOStuff::set". Database returned error "1114: The table 'pc233' is full (10.0.6.50)". - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38202  +comment (10Chad H.)
[14:05:58] <hashar>	 we could make a PHP abstracted editor that would support the vim/edit.com/emacs backends
[14:06:23] <JeroenDeDauw>	 What about clay tablets? Don't forget about backward compat...
[14:06:25] <MaxSem>	 right! SSH into your favorite editor!
[14:06:52] <^demon>	 I've been suggesting clay tablets over avian carrier for committing code for years now.
[14:07:05] <^demon>	 We'll send Tim all of our clay tablets via pigeon.
[14:07:05] <JeroenDeDauw>	 MaxSem: thnx for feedback btw
[14:07:21] * hashar  starts implementing RFC 1149, see my RCS repository

[14:07:27] <wikibugs>	 03(ASSIGNED) Review API (8) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38182  +comment (10denny vrandecic)
[14:07:28] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Article Feedback - 'View Activity' does not appear in Editor's view - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37950  +comment (10Matthias Mullie)
[14:07:37] <hashar>	 http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1149.txt
[14:07:39] <JeroenDeDauw>	 MaxSem: why is the stuff you suggest here better? https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/14295/1/includes/DefaultSettings.php
[14:07:56] <^demon>	 hashar: RCS? Why not just use a shared FTP login? :)
[14:08:02] <freakolowsky>	 ^demon: each of you build a RepRap and then print punch-cards onto another's printer :D
[14:08:21] * hashar  heads back to serious work and hack PHPUnit tests a bit  more

[14:09:02] <MaxSem>	 JeroenDeDauw, take a look at other array declarations
[14:09:29] <wikibugs>	 03(ASSIGNED) Caching for phase I - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36427  +comment (10denny vrandecic)
[14:10:22] <JeroenDeDauw>	 MaxSem: so the argument is "consistency with the rest of the file"?
[14:10:28] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Database error: "SqlBagOStuff::set". Database returned error "1114: The table 'pc233' is full (10.0.6.50)". - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38202  +comment (10Christa)
[14:10:29] <MaxSem>	 yes
[14:11:13] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Database error: "SqlBagOStuff::set". Database returned error "1114: The table 'pc233' is full (10.0.6.50)". - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38202  +comment (10Max Semenik)
[14:12:13] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Handling of wording for sitelinks for groups different from Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38201  +comment (10Nikola Smolenski)
[14:12:31] <MaxSem>	 sooo... if I remeber it right, the fix to parser cache growing too huge was to truncate a couple of tables out of 256, right?
[14:16:00] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Database error: "SqlBagOStuff::set". Database returned error "1114: The table 'pc233' is full (10.0.6.50)". - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38202  +comment (10Krinkle)
[14:17:37] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Database error: "SqlBagOStuff::set". Database returned error "1114: The table 'pc233' is full (10.0.6.50)". - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38202  +comment (10Krinkle)
[14:19:27] <JeroenDeDauw>	 MaxSem: ok, fair enough
[14:22:16] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Daniel Werner; "New hook 'AfterFinalPageOutput' which is called at the end of OutputPage::output()" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14303
[14:33:36] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Tobias Gritschacher; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14288
[14:34:39] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Nischayn22; "Changed table structure for Booleans" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (storerewrite) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14304
[14:35:32] <freakolowsky>	 i think it's time for me to skadaddle home ... have enough od DBs for today ...
[14:36:25] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) New Hook: "InternalParseBeforeSanitize" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34678  +comment (10Daniel Werner)
[14:38:18] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Add functions to get some user info - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38151  +comment (10Brad Jorsch)
[14:41:38] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Jeroen De Dauw; "Some minor issues, but looks good in general" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (storerewrite); V: 0 C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14304
[14:42:44] <freakolowsky>	 l8r pplz
[14:47:14] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Hashar; "Generic API loading system" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14305
[14:49:21] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Hashar; "Adding very basic test for ApiEditPage." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12696
[14:50:09] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Hashar; "Rebased as a dependency to I0258831f which abstracted the APIUploadTestCase login system which we wa..." [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12696
[14:52:18] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Hashar; "very basic test for ApiEditPage" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12696
[14:53:25] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Hashar; "Patchset 3 simplify the logging system used in ApiEditPage to reuse the login system from ApiTestCas..." [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12696
[14:53:35] <jenil>	 hi @ all
[14:53:42] <jenil>	 i have a problem with my rights in my wiki
[14:53:50] <jenil>	 how can i give myself admin rights by editing the database?
[14:53:54] <jenil>	 im using phpmyadmin
[14:54:15] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Hashar; "Generic API logging system" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14305
[14:54:33] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Hashar; "patchset2 fix summary: loading -> logging" [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14305
[14:54:45] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Add functions to get some user info - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38151  +comment (10Krinkle)
[14:55:11] <jenil>	 `
[14:55:12] <jenil>	 ?
[14:55:13] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Hashar; "very basic test for ApiEditPage" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12696
[14:55:24] <Saruman>	 jenil: log in as WikiSysop (user ID 1) and then grant yourself admin and bureaucrat rights
[14:55:44] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Hashar; "Patchset 4 rebase on I0258831f patchset 2." [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12696
[14:56:32] <jenil>	 i forgot the Password for wikisysop
[14:56:37] <jenil>	 i imported my database 
[14:56:45] <jenil>	 thought i can use new admin with installer
[14:56:58] <jenil>	 but i can edit all users by using phpmyadmin
[14:57:00] <Saruman>	 jenil: if you can't remember the WikiSysop password, reset it using http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Resetting_passwords
[14:57:05] <jenil>	 but i dont know how to change
[15:01:03] <jenil>	 where is that changepassword.php?
[15:01:17] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Adding sites handling" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14295
[15:01:40] <Saruman>	 jenil: in the maintenance subdirectory of MW
[15:03:07] <jenil>	 aah thanks a lot
[15:03:10] <jenil>	 ive got it :)
[15:03:12] <jenil>	 it worked :)
[15:03:15] <jenil>	 great thanks
[15:05:18] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) Fix Tamil Transliteration rules for ஸ்ரீ க்ஷ் - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38138  +comment (10Srikanth Logic)
[15:05:29] <jenil>	 is there any way
[15:05:34] <jenil>	 to find out the pw?
[15:05:51] <jenil>	 somehow if i look at the users in the database?
[15:06:05] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Matthias Mullie; "Bug 38160 - Article Feedback 5 - CTA4 container collapsing" [mediawiki/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14306
[15:07:07] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Article Feedback 5 - CTA4 container collapsing - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38160  +comment (10Matthias Mullie)
[15:07:43] <^demon>	 jenil: No, passwords are hashed for security
[15:08:17] <jenil>	 ok
[15:08:23] <jenil>	 and how can i change userrights?
[15:08:24] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Fix method siganture mismatch causing notice" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14307
[15:09:27] <jenil>	 found it
[15:09:35] <jenil>	 anyway thanks guys ;)
[15:12:00] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Demon; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14307
[15:14:12] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Matthias Mullie; "Bug 38161 - Article Feedback 5 - CTA5 missing header "thanks! your feedback has been posted here"" [mediawiki/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14308
[15:16:03] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Nischayn22; "Changed table structure for Booleans" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (storerewrite) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14304
[15:17:39] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Demon; "@Nikerabbit: No, that was suggesting that you don't need to do something like assertTrue( $in === $o..." [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/13887
[15:18:25] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Tobias Gritschacher; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14291
[15:18:51] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Hashar; "Some comments about the previous patchsets as well as things that we might want to improve. -1 for n..." [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12696
[15:28:59] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Daniel Werner; "'usecheckboxes' option implemented for HTMLMultiSelectField. Multi-select field is still using multiple checkbox input elements by default. Now it is also possible to use a select element with 'multiple' attribute and a set of options instead of select fi" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/8924
[15:35:34] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Nischayn22; "Changed table structure for Booleans" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (storerewrite) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14304
[15:44:55] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Tobias Gritschacher; "added selenium test to check label and id in recent changes" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14310
[15:45:26] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Made lib compat with postgres" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14311
[15:49:07] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Made client compatible with postgres" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14312
[15:50:12] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Jeroen De Dauw; [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (storerewrite) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14304
[15:52:55] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Jens Ohlig; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14310
[15:55:43] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) Allow descending order for list=langbacklinks - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/32383  +comment (10Umherirrender)
[15:55:54] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) Allow descending order for list=iwbacklinks - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/32382  +comment (10Umherirrender)
[15:56:03] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) Allow descending order for list=backlinks, list=embeddedin and list=imageusage - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/32381  +comment (10Umherirrender)
[16:04:58] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Daniel Werner; "Adding the 'wb-itempage' class only if the page contains an item, not on empty pages." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14313
[16:06:43] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) API help docs should document "token" as param-required for modules that use tokens - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38190  +comment (10Umherirrender)
[16:09:07] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Case mismatch in <query-continue> while listing categories starting with "EN:" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38165  +comment (10Umherirrender)
[16:11:19] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Enable emailing password based on email address - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34386  +comment (10Umherirrender)
[16:12:57] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Article Feedback - 'View Activity' does not appear in Editor's view - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37950  +comment (10Fabrice Florin)
[16:13:25] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Article Feedback 5 - CTA5 missing header "thanks! your feedback has been posted here" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38161  +comment (10Matthias Mullie)
[16:17:29] <wikibugs>	 14(INVALID) Sorting of Aliases confusing - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37770  +comment (10denny vrandecic)
[16:20:42] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Article Feedback - 'View Activity' does not appear in Editor's view - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37950  +comment (10Matthias Mullie)
[16:22:23] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Catch SqlBagOStuff exceptions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38205 major; MediaWiki: Database; (afeldman)
[16:22:28] <Matt___>	 Is there a way for me to make a progress bar on a wiki page?
[16:22:47] <Platonides>	 what would it measure?
[16:23:24] <Platonides>	 you could make a static progress bar, if you want to measure things like progressing on a tutorial...
[16:23:32] <Matt___>	 How far along a project is by percent
[16:23:53] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jens Ohlig; "Revert "Remove obsolete script to populate interwikitable (since we now have such stuff populating the sites table)"" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14315
[16:24:15] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Jens Ohlig; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14315
[16:24:38] <Platonides>	 ah, that's a suitable use case
[16:25:07] <Matt___>	 can you help?
[16:27:28] <Matt___>	 ?
[16:28:23] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Alex Monk; "(bug 38151) Add functions to get some user info" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14333
[16:28:35] <Platonides>	 Matt___, you can make one div inside anohter, and the inner div have an style which is the percentage filled
[16:28:46] <Platonides>	 provide both divs with a background
[16:29:46] <Matt___>	 divs?
[16:29:57] <Platonides>	 <div> tag
[16:30:44] <Matt___>	 What whould the code be for that?
[16:32:13] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Alex Monk; "(bug 37926) Split 'deleterevision' right for log entries" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12889
[16:32:44] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Jpostlethwaite; "I am going to do another update of this patch." [mediawiki/extensions/UnitTest] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14169
[16:35:12] <marktraceur>	 Matt___, <div style="width: 100%; background-color: white"><div style="width: 34%; text-align: center; background-color: blue">34%</div></div>
[16:35:18] <marktraceur>	 Ah, no
[16:35:29] <marktraceur>	 No, that works
[16:35:33] <marktraceur>	 Right
[16:35:37] <marktraceur>	 ^ that
[16:36:30] <marktraceur>	 But it's very rough
[16:38:10] <zxww>	 i have a mediawiki install that ive been tasked with upgrading, is it possible to upgrade 1.19 from 1.9 directly, or do I need to upgrade each step incrementally?
[16:38:35] <Reedy>	 should be fine
[16:38:39] <Reedy>	 backup files and db first
[16:38:45] <Matt___>	 Thanks alot
[16:39:09] <marktraceur>	 I'll pass that on to the alot :P
[16:39:28] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Article Feedback - 'View Activity' does not appear in Editor's view - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37950  +comment (10Fabrice Florin)
[16:40:13] <zxww>	 mmm i tried it and everything was pretty messed up (links all displaying [1])
[16:40:28] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Article Feedback - My Contributions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36773  +comment (10Fabrice Florin)
[16:40:49] <zxww>	 then i tried useing 16 as an intermediate and things were a bit better
[16:40:56] <zxww>	 but still pretty screwed up
[16:44:22] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Alex Monk; "(bug 37926) Split 'deleterevision' right for log entries" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12889
[16:46:34] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jpostlethwaite; "(features/version-1.0) Fixing UnitTest to work with other extensions." [mediawiki/extensions/UnitTest] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14169
[16:46:52] <marktraceur>	 Matt___, I was unhappy with that solution, here's a different one: http://dpaste.com/767733/
[16:47:44] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) moving a protected page borks the logs - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38123  (10duplicatebug)
[16:47:49] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Alex Monk; "Not sure how to do this asynchronously yet." [mediawiki/core] (master) C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14333
[16:48:00] <Platonides>	 zxww, links as [1] are normal if the link is written as [http://www.example.org]
[16:48:12] <Platonides>	 if you want to see the url use http://www.example.org
[16:48:20] <Platonides>	 [http://www.example.org name] for a given caption
[16:48:27] <Platonides>	 for internal links, double the brackets
[16:50:08] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) strange indentation continuation after nested table - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38162  (10duplicatebug)
[16:50:09] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) indented embedded table leaves an unclosed DL, causing unwanted indentation - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/6776  (10duplicatebug)
[16:51:25] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jpostlethwaite; "(features/version-1.0) Fixing UnitTest to work with other extensions." [mediawiki/extensions/UnitTest] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14169
[16:51:44] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Add functions to get some user info - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38151  +comment (10Krenair)
[16:52:31] <zxww>	 so its due to a syntax change between the mediawiki versions?
[16:52:55] <Qcoder00>	 Hi
[16:53:13] <Qcoder00>	 Within mediawiki is it posible to generate a list of article chains?
[16:53:13] <zxww>	 well either way I cant really go through all the pages are fix them so I guess Ill have to just stick with the old version
[16:53:23] <zxww>	 and fix*
[16:57:00] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jpostlethwaite; "(features/version-1.0) Fixing UnitTest to work with other extensions." [mediawiki/extensions/UnitTest] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14169
[17:01:20] <marktraceur>	 Ugh, lazy
[17:01:24] <marktraceur>	 !e VisualEditor
[17:01:24] <wm-bot>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:VisualEditor
[17:03:38] <Platonides>	 zxww, the syntax hasn't channged...
[17:15:15] <marktraceur>	 Hm, does any test case other than ApiTestCase have a doLogin() function? I'll need it to test per-user actions, if I understand correctly.
[17:16:15] <^demon>	 marktraceur: Ask hashar, he just refactored some of the ApiTest stuff this morning.
[17:16:32] <marktraceur>	 He appears to be t3h gone.
[17:16:50] <marktraceur>	 Search his gerrit changes!
[17:17:21] <^demon>	 https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/14305/
[17:17:26] <marktraceur>	 Ah, it doesn't look like it moved things out of that class
[17:17:44] <marktraceur>	 I'm pretty sure only ApiTestCase has that method, which is a shame
[17:17:51] <marktraceur>	 Because I'm no longer testing the API
[17:18:15] <marktraceur>	 Well, I guess I can "fake" a user like I did before
[17:18:20] <marktraceur>	 Mmkay, we're good
[17:26:26] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) "Learn more" links on actions need to link to the help materials - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37434  (10Matthias Mullie)
[17:29:42] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Aaron Schulz; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14197
[17:38:09] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Contact Us stylesheet is served to all pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37716  (10Tomasz Finc)
[17:38:11] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Port MobileFrontend to use ResourceLoader for JS and CSS - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31675  (10Tomasz Finc)
[17:38:24] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: cneubauer; "Reedy, I went back and tested the extension on 1.15 - 1.19 and it worked out of the box on all versi..." [mediawiki/extensions/PdfExport] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12597
[17:40:59] <ashley>	 what's the proper way to check that two strings are _not_ identical? I'm fiddling around with language codes and if they are not identical (obviously 'en' and 'fi', for example, are not the same thing), I want to do a few DB queries etc.
[17:41:38] <JuanDaugherty>	 you mean in meaning?
[17:42:18] <JuanDaugherty>	 otherwise it's ordinary single or multibyte string comparison
[17:42:43] <JuanDaugherty>	 presumably here, in the standard php functions
[17:42:51] <JuanDaugherty>	 the other is a research problem
[17:43:13] <ashley>	 well if ( $foo !== $bar ) { /* do stuff */ } didn't seem to work, hence the somewhat silly question :-/
[17:45:05] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Made repo compatible with postgres" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14339
[17:45:06] <JuanDaugherty>	 anybody present know anything about the not being able to update after an old -> 19 upgrade thing?
[17:45:18] <JuanDaugherty>	 it was suggest to be an inno vs isam thing, which doesn't seem likely
[17:45:53] <JuanDaugherty>	 web spur seems to blame php versions
[17:47:16] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Remove alias table patch" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14340
[17:47:49] <Reedy>	 No error message?
[17:48:53] <JeroenDeDauw>	 :/
[17:49:45] <JuanDaugherty>	 A database query syntax error has occurred. This may indicate a bug in the software. The last attempted database query was:
[17:49:56] <JuanDaugherty>	 (SQL query hidden)
[17:50:08] <JuanDaugherty>	 rom within function "Revision::insertOn". MySQL returned error "1048: Column 'old_text' cannot be null (localhost)".
[17:50:16] <Platonides>	 what were you doing?
[17:50:27] <Platonides>	 and on which wiki?
[17:50:58] <JuanDaugherty>	 press save on an edit in my upgraded 14 to 19 sandbox instance
[17:52:33] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Special:Search doesn't properly redirect on mobile devices - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37281  +comment (10Patrick Reilly)
[17:52:34] <Platonides>	 why would it be null? :S
[17:59:16] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Special:Search doesn't properly redirect on mobile devices - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37281  +comment (10Max Semenik)
[18:01:05] <vvv>	 @search branch points
[18:01:05] <wm-bot>	 No results were found, remember, the bot is searching through content of keys and their names
[18:01:10] <vvv>	 @search branch 
[18:01:10] <wm-bot>	 Results (Found 1): subversion, 
[18:01:16] <^demon>	 !branchpoints
[18:01:16] <wm-bot>	 http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Branch_points
[18:01:20] <vvv>	 ^demon: thanks
[18:01:22] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Hashar; "Fix parameter name: $displayText does not exist, but $altUserName does." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14178
[18:01:26] <^demon>	 you're welcome :)
[18:01:42] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Hashar; "patchset 2 is just a rebase" [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14178
[18:01:46] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Hashar; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14178
[18:02:16] <sumanah>	 marktraceur: uniq -u , not just uniq
[18:02:37] <marktraceur>	 sumanah, Ah, K. What was your number, finally?
[18:02:37] <sumanah>	 or sort -u
[18:02:42] <sumanah>	 I'm figuring it out now
[18:02:47] <sumanah>	 I figured more than 200 was way too many
[18:03:00] <sumanah>	 it's 92
[18:03:03] <marktraceur>	 Ha, yeah
[18:03:18] <sumanah>	 uniq doesn't remove dupe lines unless they are adjacent - WHAT
[18:03:22] <marktraceur>	 Even so, that's pretty awesome
[18:03:25] <sumanah>	 sensible defaults people!!
[18:03:26] <sumanah>	 yeah
[18:03:33] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Hashar; "Pass objects to methods accepting them instead of relying on global objects." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14177
[18:03:47] <sumanah>	 marktraceur: so, wanna check on April and May as well, using    grep '    name:' wmf-results-1.txt | sort -u | wc -l    ?
[18:04:07] <marktraceur>	 Errrr, maybe in a bit?
[18:04:09] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Hashar; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14177
[18:04:19] <sumanah>	 ok
[18:04:28] <marktraceur>	 If I'm going to do this for more than one month, it's probably a good idea to write a script
[18:04:38] <marktraceur>	 And for that I'll need around half an hour
[18:04:53] <marktraceur>	 And right now I'm engrossed in phpunit
[18:04:59] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Added OnItemStructuredSave hook" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14343
[18:05:28] <sumanah>	 sure
[18:06:15] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Kill not needed title arg and field - now in itemContent anyway" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14344
[18:07:44] <^demon>	 marktraceur: Be careful and leave a breadcrumb trail. You can get lost in there.
[18:10:14] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Anomie; "Seems to work as advertised." [mediawiki/core] (master) C: 1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12889
[18:12:17] <sumanah>	 marktraceur: :-)
[18:12:20] <marktraceur>	 ^demon, All right. If you don't see me for ~1 hour, I'm somewhere near --coverage-html
[18:12:30] <^demon>	 Hehe
[18:13:10] <marktraceur>	 sumanah, Thanks for the shout-out! I'll whip something up that's a little more reliable for the future soon
[18:13:43] <sumanah>	 thanks marktraceur 
[18:15:08] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Add in check to see if stuff is already loaded for compat" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14345
[18:16:16] <marktraceur>	 Aughhh, phpunit is too stupid to realize what I want from it.
[18:16:43] <marktraceur>	 "phpunit", I said, "run these tests and generate a coverage report for them."
[18:17:06] <marktraceur>	 "OK", said phpunit, "I'll run one test and generate code coverage for ALL OF MEDIAWIKI."
[18:17:37] <marktraceur>	 *shrug* guess there's something I missed
[18:17:43] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Alex Monk; "(bug 37926) Split 'deleterevision' right for log entries" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12889
[18:18:43] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Kaldari; [mediawiki/extensions/ClickTracking] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14001
[18:22:14] <marktraceur>	 Nope. Gotta wait for all of it. Awesome.
[18:24:02] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Added base class for settings" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14346
[18:26:39] <wikibugs>	 03(ASSIGNED) [SMW] [ROADMAP] [OPEN] Improve JSON format - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37418  +comment (10MWJames)
[18:27:02] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Demon; "Just as a note: I was planning on working on settings/config-type stuff soon-ish. It would be good t..." [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14346
[18:28:05] <sumanah>	 ^demon: what is your timeline for that config work?
[18:28:12] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Jpostlethwaite; "I am working on an update to this patch." [mediawiki/extensions/UnitTest] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14169
[18:28:31] <^demon>	 Nothing firm yet. I think we were planning to start it sometime in August/September.
[18:29:48] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: John Erling Blad; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14344
[18:31:22] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: John Erling Blad; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14340
[18:31:23] <ashley>	 ^demon/sumanah: hi! by config work would you happen to mean migrating config settings from those damn .php settings files into the database? :D
[18:31:35] <sumanah>	 I presume so
[18:31:40] <^demon>	 Well, database for normal wikis.
[18:31:46] <^demon>	 Prolly something like CDB for wmf.
[18:31:48] <sumanah>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Configuration_database
[18:31:51] <^demon>	 But yeah, basically that yeah
[18:32:22] <ashley>	 about time \o/
[18:32:30] <^demon>	 Yeahhhhh, long overdue.
[18:32:41] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Aaron Schulz; "I tried to make a new patch but got a million conflicts. I'm doing a pure rebase/merge now." [mediawiki/extensions/AbuseFilter] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3435
[18:32:44] <sumanah>	 "Configuration database - Revamp our configuration management storage - remove global variables, stop proliferation of new ones, provide extensions means of not adding to technical debt, expand unit-testability"   is in https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Engineering/2012-13_Goals#Activities_12
[18:32:56] <ashley>	 I absolutely loathe parsing conf files...preg_match & preg_replace and preg_everything...ugh!
[18:33:18] <^demon>	 Sure you don't want me to just replace them with ini files?
[18:33:28] <^demon>	 Then we could just use ini_parse() ;-)
[18:33:58] <ashley>	 database FTW!
[18:34:03] <sumanah>	 ashley: added to https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Requests_for_comment/Configuration_database
[18:34:57] <ashley>	 yay :)
[18:42:23] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: John Erling Blad; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14313
[18:43:03] <wikibugs>	 04(REOPENED) Switching between desktop and mobile view should redirect to canonical URLs - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36182  (10Jon)
[18:43:44] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Mwjames; "(bug 37418) improve JSON export - SMWDISerializer make sure 'printrequests' defintion comes before 'results' - Using FormatJSON::encode and SMWDISerializer::getSerializedQueryResult to export JSON format" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14347
[18:44:33] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Aaron Schulz; "AbuseFilter: Resolve bug 18374, bug 28633." [mediawiki/extensions/AbuseFilter] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3435
[18:46:20] <marktraceur>	 Does anyone have experience using the phpunit code coverage tool with an extension?
[18:46:59] <chughakshay16>	 sumanah : hi sumana
[18:47:05] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Aaron Schulz; "Rebase only." [mediawiki/extensions/AbuseFilter] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3435
[18:47:06] <sumanah>	 hi chughakshay16 
[18:47:16] <chughakshay16>	 sumanah, http://mwconventionextension.wordpress.com/2012/07/05/convention-extension-and-me/
[18:47:29] <chughakshay16>	 sumanah : you would the first one to read it !!
[18:47:30] <sumanah>	 marktraceur: wonder whether https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/NOLA_Hackathon#Sunday is useful or whether you knnow all that
[18:48:35] <marktraceur>	 Hrm, an hour.
[18:49:19] <sumanah>	 there are many notes
[18:49:21] <marktraceur>	 I've gotten to the point where I have *tests*, but I haven't seen anything that indicates that coverage analysis has even been considered yet
[18:49:32] <sumanah>	 chughakshay16: oooh1
[18:49:33] <sumanah>	 !
[18:49:34] <wm-bot>	 ok, you just typed an exclamation mark with no meaning in the channel, good job. If you want to see a list of all keys, check !botbrain
[18:49:50] <marktraceur>	 wm-bot, Thanks for that
[18:50:08] <chughakshay16>	 sumanah : yeah I just finished like 10 minutes ago, didnt feel like writing code so wrote something else..
[18:50:09] <sumanah>	 my shift key stuck at the worst time! embarrassment! I will send in a letter to Sassy
[18:50:30] <sumanah>	 "my most embarrassing moments"
[18:51:00] <marktraceur>	 OK, so it appears that letting the tests all run will generate my code coverage, but....take a lotta time.
[18:51:28] <marktraceur>	 Or maybe not
[18:52:04] <sumanah>	 chughakshay16: reading it now
[18:52:23] <sumanah>	 chughakshay16: first comment: LINK MORE. To your mediawiki.org page and to your code!
[18:52:42] <chughakshay16>	 sumanah : I have explained that in the end..
[18:52:42] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) [SMW] [ROADMAP] [OPEN] Improve JSON format - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37418  +comment (10MWJames)
[18:52:55] <sumanah>	 chughakshay16: it's more interesting to link throughout
[18:52:55] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) [SMW] [ROADMAP] [OPEN] Improve JSON format - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37418  +comment (10MWJames)
[18:53:03] <sumanah>	 this is hypertext, not paper -- make use of links! :-)
[18:53:25] <chughakshay16>	 sumanah: I have explained the reason for not adding too many links and details in the end .. :)
[18:53:29] <sumanah>	 "It would help convert a wiki work like a conference management system, which on elementary level means it would integrate features such as account registration, payment gateway, speaker( or author which I prefer to call ) proposal submission modules into the wiki." Can you tell what space-related thing I will complain about?
[18:53:40] <sumanah>	 chughakshay16: links != details
[18:53:45] <chughakshay16>	 sumanah : the paranthesis
[18:54:03] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: John Erling Blad; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14343
[18:54:32] <sumanah>	 chughakshay16: I like how you are talking about yourself and giving an overview
[18:54:35] <chughakshay16>	 *parantheses
[18:54:43] <sumanah>	 chughakshay16: parenthesis  :>
[18:54:52] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Leading on Today's Feautred Article messed up (iOS, v.3.1.2) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38206 normal; Wikimedia Mobile: Generic; (rkaldari)
[18:54:54] <chughakshay16>	 sumanah, speaker ().
[18:55:07] <sumanah>	 chughakshay16:   "my strong suite"  -- you had no way of knowing this, but the phrasing is "my strong suit" and refers to suits of cards, like hearts, diamonds, etc.
[18:55:08] <chughakshay16>	 sumanah : space between speaker and (
[18:55:12] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Leading on Today's Featured Article messed up (iOS, v.3.1.2) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38206  summary (10Ryan Kaldari)
[18:56:01] <sumanah>	 chughakshay16: I could give various other criticisms and if you want I will. Overall, I'm glad you wrote it and I like reading it
[18:56:19] <sumanah>	 chughakshay16: you should get your blog syndicated on http://en.planet.wikimedia.org/  - instructions at https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Planet_Wikimedia#How_do_I_get_in.3F
[18:57:19] <chughakshay16>	 sumanah : i wouldnt mind you criticizing my post :|
[18:57:29] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Aaron Schulz; "AbuseFilter: Resolve bug 18374, bug 28633." [mediawiki/extensions/AbuseFilter] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3435
[18:58:15] <marktraceur>	 Got it, I ran the code coverage thing wrong
[18:58:54] <sumanah>	 chughakshay16: ok! so, have you checked the capitalization of "GSoC" and "MediaWiki" throughout? that will be a quick win :-)
[19:00:29] <chughakshay16>	 sumanah , I am quite sure about MediaWiki though..
[19:00:44] <sumanah>	 chughakshay16: but in some places you don't capitalize those words at all
[19:00:48] <sumanah>	 "gsoc" & "mediawiki"
[19:03:33] <chughakshay16>	 sumanah : capitalizing those..
[19:03:54] <chughakshay16>	 sumanah : you can move on to other things
[19:07:32] <chughakshay16>	 sumanah, refresh the page and you will see the changes
[19:08:45] <chughakshay16>	 sumanah, http://www.learnersdictionary.com/search/strong%20suit
[19:09:00] <sumanah>	 chughakshay16: sorry, in the middle of 1 other thing, just a moment
[19:09:07] <chughakshay16>	 sumanah, okay np
[19:09:51] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Mwjames; "(bug 37418) improve JSON export - SMWDISerializer make sure 'printrequests' defintion comes before 'results' - Using FormatJSON::encode and SMWDISerializer::getSerializedQueryResult to export JSON format - Bail out in case there are no results" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14347
[19:11:11] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Case mismatch in <query-continue> while listing categories starting with "EN:" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38165  +comment (10Liangent)
[19:11:49] <sumanah>	 chughakshay16: "speaker( or author which I prefer to call ) proposal submission modules into the wiki" still not fixed
[19:11:54] <wikibugs>	 14(INVALID) [SRF] 1.7 #subobject reuse fails on JSON, RDF,RSS, CSV, and BibTex export - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34783  +comment (10MWJames)
[19:12:55] <sumanah>	 chughakshay16: "So why did I choose this project ?"  - extra space there
[19:13:23] <sumanah>	 chughakshay16: "would require me to dig core MediaWiki" - I get the sense but I think the verb is not quite right - maybe you mean "dig into"?
[19:13:41] <svip>	 You know!
[19:13:52] <svip>	 Rendering HTML from C structs is not easy!
[19:13:56] <svip>	 https://github.com/svip/THC/blob/master/thc.c#L69
[19:14:33] <chughakshay16>	 sumanah , done !
[19:17:19] <sumanah>	 chughakshay16: I know this is picky, but in "( or author which I prefer to call )" there is no space after the (   or before the )  
[19:17:19] <chughakshay16>	 sumanah : into MediaWiki core sounds better than into core MediaWiki code.. 
[19:19:29] <chughakshay16>	 sumanah, should there be space should there not be ?
[19:19:44] <chughakshay16>	 sumanah , * or should there not be
[19:19:48] <sumanah>	 I mean, there should be no space after ( or before )
[19:19:54] <sumanah>	 sorry for not being clear
[19:20:31] <chughakshay16>	 sumanah, what i remember from last time is that you told me to put spaces after ( and before )
[19:22:37] <AaronSchulz>	 Reedy: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/14270/1 doesn't make sense to me
[19:22:47] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Jeroen De Dauw; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14345
[19:23:15] <sumanah>	 chughakshay16: I cannot imagine myself doing something like that deliberately. sorry, some sort of miscommunication
[19:23:32] <Reedy>	 AaronSchulz: lines that were still in core that were added by the first revision
[19:23:39] <svip>	 AaronSchulz: https://github.com/svip/THC/blob/master/ordbog.c#L35 << Make sense of this.
[19:23:42] * svip  rins...

[19:23:43] <chughakshay16>	 sumanah, i mean the last time we had english lessons ..
[19:23:53] <chughakshay16>	 sumanah , on the IRC channel
[19:24:05] <sumanah>	 chughakshay16: "A few weeks ago, hiked Sweeney Ridge (south of San Francisco) with my friend" is an example of the spacing used correctly
[19:24:21] <chughakshay16>	 sumanah, yes I got your point 
[19:24:26] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Jeroen De Dauw; [mediawiki/extensions/DidYouKnow] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12256
[19:24:32] <sumanah>	 ok
[19:24:44] <sumanah>	 sounds like a weird mixup
[19:24:51] <AaronSchulz>	 Reedy: you are adding back the viewType call of the commit you are reverting
[19:24:58] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Jeroen De Dauw; [mediawiki/extensions/DidYouKnow] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12267
[19:25:48] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Yaron Koren; "Replaced hardcoded HTML (hopefully the last of its kind) with a call to the Html class; patch by Chris Steipp" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticForms] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14354
[19:25:57] <Reedy>	 Oh
[19:25:59] <Reedy>	 Bleh
[19:26:05] <chughakshay16>	 sumanah, done !
[19:26:12] <gerrit-wm>	 Change abandoned: Reedy; "Sleeps" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14270
[19:28:44] <sumanah>	 chughakshay16: I need to go, as I have a meeting in 2 minutes
[19:28:49] <sumanah>	 bye. overall, good work!
[19:28:54] <chughakshay16>	 sumanah, thanks so much !!
[19:32:53] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Reedy; "Add translatewiki repo group" [mediawiki/extensions/WikimediaMessages] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12962
[19:33:21] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Reedy; [mediawiki/extensions/WikimediaMessages] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12962
[19:35:29] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: MarkAHershberger; "next commit will fix these." [mediawiki/core] (master) C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/13855
[19:39:27] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) Visual representation of diacritic in Arabic special chars - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33895  +comment (10Shervin Afshar)
[19:40:43] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Jeroen De Dauw; "Awesome work! Finally a sane JSON printer :)" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master); V: 0 C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14347
[19:42:36] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Jeroen De Dauw; [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticForms] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14354
[19:45:12] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Jeroen De Dauw; "Sure :) I have some plans regarding definitions of settings including meta data such as type and all..." [mediawiki/core] (master) C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14346
[19:48:21] <codurr>	 03raymond * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/115593> 10/trunk/extensions/ (22 files in 20 dirs): Localisation updates from http://translatewiki.net.
[19:50:28] <dinolina>	 wie kann man in infobox eine externer Bild einfügen ?
[19:51:09] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) JSON output from #ask does not escape " - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/23946  +comment (10MWJames)
[19:52:41] <dinolina>	 how can you put on an external image infobox?
[19:53:28] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) Quotation mark in page title produces wrong JSON export - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36438  +comment (10MWJames)
[19:54:46] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) [SMW] [ROADMAP] [OPEN] Improve JSON format - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37418  +comment (10MWJames)
[19:56:55] <thedj>	 dinolina: on wikipedia ? Not. we don't allow including external images there.
[19:57:11] <dinolina>	 in mediawiki
[19:57:52] <thedj>	 http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgAllowExternalImages
[19:58:21] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Catrope; "(bug 37980) Cutting all text and repasting it breaks the editor" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14398
[20:00:19] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) VisualEditor: Cut all text, re-paste it: broken editor - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37980  +comment (10Roan Kattouw)
[20:00:55] <dinolina>	 It´s only possible with $wgAllowExternalImages ?
[20:01:12] <dinolina>	 (media wiki)
[20:01:35] <^demon|away>	 Yes. It's disabled by default.
[20:02:15] <Sid-G>	 is a parser switch with 200 options heavier than one with 20 options?
[20:02:36] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: preilly; "update MobileFrontend to master" [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.20wmf6) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14400
[20:02:42] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: MarkTraceur; "Add tests for EtherEditorPad, and make them work." [mediawiki/extensions/EtherEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14401
[20:02:47] <dinolina>	 thedj : It´s only possible with $wgAllowExternalImages ?
[20:03:02] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: preilly; [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.20wmf6) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14400
[20:03:58] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: MarkTraceur; "Here we are again!" [mediawiki/extensions/EtherEditor] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14401
[20:06:17] <Sid-G>	 anyone?
[20:11:19] <marktraceur>	 Fun question: What's the status of automatic unit-testing for extensions?
[20:11:57] <marktraceur>	 Oops, mw.org is erroring
[20:12:10] <marktraceur>	 http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Jenkins
[20:12:39] <^demon|away>	 Ugh, again?
[20:12:42] <^demon|away>	 Second time today :(
[20:12:55] <marktraceur>	 ^demon|away, what doesn't kill you....
[20:13:04] <^demon|away>	 marktraceur: Makes you buy a beer.
[20:13:04] <marktraceur>	 Aha, there we go
[20:13:26] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Selecting all text causes JS error in Firefox - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38207 normal; VisualEditor: ContentEditable; (roan.kattouw)
[20:13:30] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Database error: "SqlBagOStuff::set". Database returned error "1114: The table 'pc233' is full (10.0.6.50)". - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38202  +comment (10Saibo)
[20:13:37] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "docs++" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14402
[20:13:40] <marktraceur>	 See, that doesn't seem like an awful world to live in at all
[20:17:34] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) VisualEditor: select all (ctrl+a) throws JS error in Firefox - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38037  summary; +comment (10Roan Kattouw)
[20:17:42] <wikibugs>	 14(DUP) Selecting all text causes JS error in Firefox - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38207  +comment (10Roan Kattouw)
[20:17:43] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) VisualEditor: select all (ctrl+a) throws JS error in Firefox - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38037  +comment (10Roan Kattouw)
[20:17:54] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Nicified test registration" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14403
[20:18:01] <marktraceur>	 ^demon|away, I see "Jenkins does not run any tests for extensions yet." Is there a plan for changing that?
[20:18:16] <^demon|away>	 I know hashar has plans, don't know what they are.
[20:18:17] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Jeroen De Dauw; [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14403
[20:18:22] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Jeroen De Dauw; [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14402
[20:18:28] <RoanKattouw>	 I would like for it to at least run PHP lint against extension commits
[20:18:39] <marktraceur>	 *nods*
[20:18:47] <^demon|away>	 RoanKattouw: Again, poke hashar. :)
[20:18:52] <^demon|away>	 I setup jenkins, I don't own it anymore ;-)
[20:18:55] <RoanKattouw>	 :)
[20:19:50] <sumanah>	 I would also be happier if Jenkins ran lint, at least, against extensions commits
[20:19:58] <sumanah>	 RoanKattouw: will you poke Antoine?
[20:22:36] <RoanKattouw>	 I'll try to poke him when I see him but I think you're better positioned for that, timezone-wise
[20:22:50] <thedj>	 there, sort of finished my Template:Coord conversion to lua
[20:22:57] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Mwjames; "(bug 37418) improve JSON export - SMWDISerializer make sure 'printrequests' definition comes before 'results' - Using FormatJSON::encode and SMWDISerializer::getSerializedQueryResult to export JSON format - Bail out in case there are no results - Re-added" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14347
[20:23:24] <RoanKattouw>	 sumanah: Oh BTW I submitted our LCA talk, and Trevor submitted one of his own as well
[20:23:26] <sumanah>	 RoanKattouw: ASYNCHRONOUS COMMUNICATION, WE HAS IT
[20:23:31] <RoanKattouw>	 :)
[20:23:40] <sumanah>	 RoanKattouw: what about Tim?
[20:23:42] <RoanKattouw>	 Sure I'll send him an e-mail :)
[20:23:47] <RoanKattouw>	 I haven't talked to him yet
[20:23:49] <vvv>	 LCA talk?
[20:23:58] <RoanKattouw>	 By the time I realized "ZOMG LCA DEADLINE" it was 3am in AU
[20:23:58] <sumanah>	 RoanKattouw: you were supposed to poke himmmmm .... way before july 6
[20:24:05] <RoanKattouw>	 I know!
[20:24:08] * RoanKattouw  is deeply sorry

[20:24:28] <sumanah>	 is it somehow unkosher for me to forge his From line and just send something "from" him?
[20:24:33] <RoanKattouw>	 lol
[20:24:41] * vvv  knows what RoanKattouw were doing instead

[20:24:45] <sumanah>	 vvv: yeah, I sent a note to wikitech-l about it -- July 6 is the linux.conf.au deadline
[20:25:02] <vvv>	 He has been being awesome, probably
[20:25:21] <RoanKattouw>	 Not awesome enough to remember a promise, apparently
[20:25:38] <vvv>	 That happens to all of us :(
[20:25:47] <sumanah>	 Indeed.
[20:25:49] <chrismcmahon>	 sumanah: I'm also in line to poke Antoine, about deploying a couple of extensions to beta labs via Jenkins
[20:26:02] <vvv>	 But at least it confirms that RoanKattouw is still a human, so we are not hopeless! :)
[20:26:09] <sumanah>	 Silly Tweet I just saw: "We have 0% non-javascript users." "Oh really, what are you using to track that?" "This little script that's...oh um..."
[20:26:12] <sumanah>	 https://twitter.com/jcasabona/status/220961632900227073
[20:26:40] <RoanKattouw>	 Oh silly analytics people
[20:26:45] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Some misc stuff" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14404
[20:27:04] <^demon|away>	 Well, it's pretty easy to do something like that. Compare your # of hits to index.html vs. myscript.js, and you'll know who has JS disabled.
[20:27:13] <^demon|away>	 Phrasing's off, but it's not impossible imho.
[20:27:31] <vvv>	 Or you could place a special JS inside a <noscript> tag
[20:27:50] <sumanah>	 it's always useful to have someone double-check your assumptions when you get extraordinary results
[20:28:28] <vvv>	 sumanah: 0% does not sound extraordinary to me, I'd really expect something below 0.5%
[20:28:48] <sumanah>	 vvv: Depends on the site, of course, etc etc etc
[20:28:51] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Remove light store which already was no longer registered" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14405
[20:29:46] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Jeroen De Dauw; [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14405
[20:29:53] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Reedy; "In ApiMain, gather Vary headers in OutputPage" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/9623
[20:29:54] <vvv>	 ^demon|away: that also depends upon how do you want to account bots in your method
[20:29:56] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Jeroen De Dauw; [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14404
[20:30:13] <^demon|away>	 vvv: Yeah, it's not perfect, but the point is that it's not impossible :)
[20:30:20] <sumanah>	 ok, RoanKattouw, emailed Antoine by way of wikitech-l
[20:30:26] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Reedy; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/9623
[20:30:28] <RoanKattouw>	 lol OK thanks
[20:30:33] <Sid-G>	 is a parser function #switch with 2000 options heavier than 100 different template calls using switches with 20 options each?
[20:30:37] <RoanKattouw>	 I'll poke Tim when he gets in
[20:31:00] <RoanKattouw>	 Sid-G: Why are you using a switch with 2000 options in the first place?
[20:31:17] <Sid-G>	 RoanKattouw: hypothetically 2000
[20:31:20] <Sid-G>	 actually 200 or so
[20:31:23] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Reedy; "Reimplement CORS properly, addressing Tim's concerns" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/9624
[20:31:42] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Reedy; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/9624
[20:31:43] <Sid-G>	 RoanKattouw: so, is there a difference?
[20:32:08] <Reedy>	 submit ALL the codes
[20:33:04] <RoanKattouw>	 Sid-G: I would guess that one big switch would be faster, but again if you're using a switch with 2000 options you're probably doing something wrong already
[20:34:33] <Sid-G>	 RoanKattouw:200 options really
[20:34:46] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Jeroen De Dauw; "Does this break compat with the old output? I know people have scripts using this, so those would br..." [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14347
[20:34:54] <RoanKattouw>	 Stil
[20:34:56] <RoanKattouw>	 l
[20:36:04] <Sid-G>	 using 200 switches with 10 options requires creating 200 templates, using 10 switches with 200 options requires creating 10 templates, take a pick
[20:36:43] <ToAruShiroiNeko>	 we want to represent internaitonal membership of countries
[20:36:51] <ToAruShiroiNeko>	 for un thats near 200 entries
[20:37:04] <RoanKattouw>	 Right, you're trying to build a database in wikitext using a #switch
[20:37:08] <ToAruShiroiNeko>	 if article is trying to list 200 countries thats 200x200 checks
[20:37:55] <Sid-G>	 RoanKattouw: the database is for membership of international orgs. and intention is to support outputing the type of membership at a given point in time
[20:37:55] <sumanah>	 robla: hey, glad _Making Software_ is coming in useful
[20:37:59] <ToAruShiroiNeko>	 well 200x a switch of 200 size
[20:40:43] <sumanah>	 just got spam about a book called "the Chronicles of Farro".  Farro is a whole grain that belongs in warm salads
[20:41:35] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Added OnItemDeletionUpdate hook" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14406
[20:44:00] <sumanah>	 I'm looking at http://lists.linux.org.au/pipermail/lca-announce/2012-June/000181.html and working out what I could say that LCA would find interesting
[20:46:33] <Danwe_WMDE>	 is there a global or anything telling me whether MW is running phpunit tests? I wan't to disable certain extension functionality during these tests
[20:47:15] <saper>	 Danwe_WMDE: oh you should not normally do that
[20:47:41] <saper>	 Danwe_WMDE: there are test groups (@Database) etc. to run some tests only when, say, database is available
[20:48:05] <Danwe_WMDE>	 saper: no way around it, if I use hooks like "GetLocalURL::Internal" to alter stuff there, I had to either remove certain tests from core or deactivate my extension temporarily
[20:48:11] <saper>	 Danwe_WMDE: testing new code or old?
[20:48:54] <Danwe_WMDE>	 saper: new code or old?
[20:49:09] <Gika>	 ummm, i just upgraded to 1.19 and it look like mediawiki's parser deletes all the `align="right"`s from my templates
[20:50:03] <Danwe_WMDE>	 Gika: I guess the sanitizer is doing that, there might be a switch in form of a configuration variable^^
[20:50:43] <Gika>	 Danwe_WMDE: do you remember its name?
[20:50:52] <saper>	 Gika: on the wikitech mailing list there is a discussion on enabling $wgHtml5
[20:51:16] <Gika>	 mmm
[20:51:36] <Danwe_WMDE>	 Gika: not sure, but there might be something. Could very well be related to html5 stuff as sapa mentioned
[20:52:06] <Gika>	 saper: so what changes if i disable $wgHtml5 while i find a workaround? (apart from a different doctype i guess)
[20:52:23] <marktraceur>	 Good day for unit testing....
[20:52:39] <saper>	 Gika: I think it was https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19942
[20:53:11] <marktraceur>	 Is there a way to add configuration variables to a module unconditionally?
[20:53:18] <paulproteus>	 RoanKattouw: Hello there.
[20:53:29] <paulproteus>	 marktraceur: Agreed re: "good day for unit testing"
[20:54:16] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Change entry point of SpecialPage" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14407
[20:54:32] <marktraceur>	 paulproteus, my desktop background is now set to a screenshot of 100% code coverage with passing tests. If only it could stay that way forever....
[20:54:37] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Change entry point of SpecialPage" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14407
[20:54:45] <saper>	 Gika: check out https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19719
[20:54:56] <Gika>	 thanks
[20:55:09] <RoanKattouw>	 paulproteus: Hey hey
[20:55:15] <RoanKattouw>	 Is paulprot1us your evil twin?
[20:55:17] <paulproteus>	 Yes.
[20:55:26] <paulproteus>	 I might start grilling you soon (30ish min?) a bit for hackathon planning help
[20:56:02] <RoanKattouw>	 Sure feel free to hit me up any time
[20:56:04] <saper>	 Gika: also, http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2012-July/061579.html
[20:56:08] <paulproteus>	 Sweetness.
[20:56:14] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Aaron Schulz; "Tweaked mysql_affected_rows() check in WikiPage since it can return -1." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14408
[20:57:54] <paulproteus>	 RoanKattouw: If, a priori, you have any feelings on the various threads I started at http://lists.openhatch.org/pipermail/wmf-outreach-staff/2012-July/thread.html I'd love to hear 'em.
[20:59:10] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) MobileFrontend extension should validate against W3C in Jenkins - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31876  +comment (10Jon)
[20:59:20] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Aaron Schulz; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14407
[20:59:38] <RoanKattouw>	 paulproteus: Re git/gerrit tutorial, a few people could do that. Of the people attending Chad and myself are probably the most familiar with Gerrit
[21:00:56] <RoanKattouw>	 paulproteus: Re templates, I don't know offhand who would teach that, but it doesn't have to be a WMF staff member, there's a bunch of template hackers in the community. Tim Starling might be able to. I don't quite understand why you're thinking of Brandon cause he's a designer and doesn't do template hacking AFAIK
[21:00:59] <^demon|away>	 I felt a dual ping. My name + Gerrit :p
[21:01:03] <RoanKattouw>	 lol
[21:01:12] <^demon|away>	 That's usually never a good thing :(
[21:01:12] <RoanKattouw>	 See, this guy pings on "Gerrit", that just proves my point
[21:01:26] * jorm  is invoked.

[21:01:29] <^demon|away>	 Actually no, I was just watching. I have no pings setup other than my nick :)
[21:01:32] <jorm>	 I do template hacking from time to time.
[21:03:00] <RoanKattouw>	 paulproteus: Re the translation thread, i18n support in extensions isn't a big issue AFAIK because most things are i18n-able, but I defer to Siebrand for that. A tutorial for using translatewiki.net or anything related to i18n would probably be best given by Siebrand or Niklas
[21:03:24] <jorm>	 i can't really do any tutorial sessions this year.  i've got, like, six talks i'm on.
[21:04:17] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Kaldari; "Update ClickTracking ext to master" [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.20wmf6) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14410
[21:04:54] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Kaldari; [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.20wmf6) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14410
[21:07:53] <taoist>	 test
[21:08:00] <paulproteus>	 stet
[21:08:31] <taoist>	 Is this a good place to ask question about development. First time in this chat
[21:08:40] <RoanKattouw>	 Yes
[21:08:43] <taoist>	 Ok
[21:10:46] <taoist>	  I am trying to figure out how to create new namespaces that have the same functionality of user_talk pages in that they are assigned to individual users and said user gets notified when others leave a message on the page(s). I know how to create new namespaces in localsettings but I'm clueless about the rest
[21:11:07] <taoist>	 So I am inquiring
[21:11:14] <taoist>	 about how to do this
[21:11:38] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: IAlex; "Add a context parameter to Liker::generateRollback() and Linker::buildRollbackLink() and updated callers." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14411
[21:12:55] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) VisualEditor: Blank heading generates invalid wikitext - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33089  +comment (10Roan Kattouw)
[21:13:44] <RoanKattouw>	 Hmm, you would probably need to hook into ArticleSaveComplete and put your notification logic there
[21:13:58] <RoanKattouw>	 You can probably reuse some functions in MW's user talk page notification code
[21:14:33] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Adamw; "* returnTo is set only in globalcollect subclass" [mediawiki/extensions/DonationInterface] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14412
[21:14:34] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Adamw; "glitches" [mediawiki/extensions/DonationInterface] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14413
[21:14:35] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Adamw; "* new function getTransaction will be responsible for packaging the current data into a message. TODO: tried to hunt down all the variations, but there could be others." [mediawiki/extensions/DonationInterface] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14414
[21:14:35] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Adamw; "* Merged the sendSTOMP variations together. TODO: Haven't tracked down all the different ways headers might be set." [mediawiki/extensions/DonationInterface] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14415
[21:14:36] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Adamw; "* refactor to get stomp and contributiontracking code out of payment adapters. Introduce a new event hook, "GatewayHandoff", which is called before possibly catastrophic redirects or when ceding control over the dataflow. * para-framework "runHooks" will " [mediawiki/extensions/DonationInterface] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14416
[21:14:37] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Adamw; "* Paypal redirect doesn't need the interstitial page anymore. * feebly generalize redirect case. TODO rename and reconsider form variable" [mediawiki/extensions/DonationInterface] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14417
[21:15:41] <taoist>	 THanks Roan i'll look into the hook. Do you know what file has the user talk page notification code by chance?
[21:17:06] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Raimond Spekking; "Some typos." [mediawiki/extensions/WikimediaMessages] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12962
[21:17:40] <RoanKattouw>	 taoist: See RecentChange.php lines 233-252 (search for wgUseEnotif
[21:18:03] <taoist>	 oh thanks
[21:19:01] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Parsoid: Blank heading generates invalid wikitext - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33089  summary (10James Forrester)
[21:20:59] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Robmoen; "Bug 33088 - VisualEditor: Editing a part of text of a link doesn't work (or this shouldn't be allowed) -Selection of part of a link now modifies selection to entire link range on inspection. -Retaining selection direction on new range Only partial fix to " [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14108
[21:25:06] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Mwjames; "It's break compat because the structure is different." [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14347
[21:26:24] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Reedy; "Redo Change-Id: Ie74e5a43ec11de2187fdaa7e3638ebed1fac85c6" [mediawiki/extensions/WikimediaMessages] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14418
[21:26:40] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) VisualEditor: Link creation should not include trailing spaces, and should provide a suggestion based on selected text - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33053  +comment (10Rob Moen)
[21:27:02] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Reedy; [mediawiki/extensions/WikimediaMessages] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14418
[21:30:42] <wikibugs>	 04(REOPENED) Install RandomRootPage on WMF wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/16655  +comment (10Danny B.)
[21:31:00] <Danny_B|backup>	 {wg @
[21:31:05] <Danny_B|backup>	 sorry
[21:33:32] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: MarkTraceur; "Add JS tests, and make them work." [mediawiki/extensions/EtherEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14153
[21:38:54] <ori-l>	 what's the proper namespacing convention when extending mw in JS? mw.ext.extensionName.foo? or mw.extExtensionName? or something else?
[21:39:07] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) Give projects the opportunity to add mobile specific JS/CSS - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/22659  +comment (10Max Semenik)
[21:39:53] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Install RandomRootPage on WMF wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/16655  +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[21:40:56] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Robmoen; "Bug 33088 - VisualEditor: Editing a part of text of a link doesn't work (or this shouldn't be allowed) -Selection of part of a link now modifies selection to entire link range on inspection. -Retaining selection direction on new range Only partial fix to " [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14108
[21:42:00] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Aaron Schulz; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14411
[21:42:42] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Aaron Schulz; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14021
[21:42:59] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Don't surface fix me templates on Mobile Frontend - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/30421  +comment (10Max Semenik)
[21:43:27] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) MobileFrontend extension doesn't load MediaWiki:Common.css - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34325  +comment (10Max Semenik)
[21:44:21] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Install RandomRootPage on WMF wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/16655  +comment (10Danny B.)
[21:44:21] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Mwjames; "(bug 37418) improve JSON export - SMWDISerializer make sure 'printrequests' definition comes before 'results' - Using FormatJSON::encode and SMWDISerializer::getSerializedQueryResult to export JSON format - Bail out in case there are no results - Re-added" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14347
[21:46:47] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Daniel Werner; "Core tests should all run again now." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14420
[21:48:41] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) VisualEditor: Highlighted trailing whitespace should not have styles applied - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33108  (10Rob Moen)
[21:51:54] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Subramanya Sastry; "Serializer fix for empty headings (BUG-33089)" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14421
[21:53:27] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Yaron Koren; "New version: 1.4" [mediawiki/extensions/ExternalData] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14423
[22:01:40] <wikibugs>	 04(REOPENED) Telenor Montenegro m.wikipedia.org landing page links to zero.wikipedia.org pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38047  (10Dan Foy)
[22:02:10] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Adamw; "Some mistakes, but it should work." [mediawiki/extensions/DonationInterface] (master); V: 0 C: 1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/13935
[22:06:02] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Yaron Koren; "Added 'xml with xpath' handling (didn't I already check this code in a while ago?), added 'post data' parameter for #get_web_data, via patch from Moritz Schubotz" [mediawiki/extensions/ExternalData] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14424
[22:06:46] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Yaron Koren; [mediawiki/extensions/ExternalData] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14423
[22:07:18] <petan2>	 ^demon|away is there any change regarding bots and spam? :P
[22:08:33] <^demon|away>	 I haven't made any changes since we hashed most of it out last week on-wiki.
[22:08:49] <petan2>	 aha I will check it then
[22:09:12] <petan2>	 I still believe that mailing list a better for communication than using wiki :P
[22:09:52] <^demon|away>	 I can't keep track of the 80 channels and 9000 bots on a list. Tables on-wiki are nice.
[22:11:21] <petan2>	 hm... I have only 2 lists in mail
[22:11:25] <petan2>	 :)
[22:11:44] <Danny_B|backup>	 good for you then
[22:13:25] <petan2>	 Danny_B|backup it's good for gmail
[22:14:44] <petan2>	 damn I like this new irc client I just made XD
[22:15:14] <petan2>	 even if it's a bit crashy on freenode :/
[22:15:46] <petan2>	 autocompletion on ubuntu produced 3 pages of suggestions :)
[22:16:19] <^demon|away>	 i'm tired of irc. we should move our discussions to google wave.
[22:17:41] <petan2>	 ^demon|away I just made an irc client, don't tell me you want to leave irc :(
[22:17:58] <^demon|away>	 I'm already |away, so I'm halfway gone :p
[22:18:07] <petan2>	 it was a week of hard core coding
[22:18:18] <petan2>	 heh
[22:19:25] <petan2>	 + I am on vacation, this must be my personal record... 5k+ lines of code in 8 days on a vacation when I am drunked most of day
[22:21:45] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Robmoen; "Bug 33088 - VisualEditor: Editing a part of text of a link doesn't work (or this shouldn't be allowed) -Selection of part of a link now modifies selection to entire link range on inspection. -Retaining selection direction on new range Only partial fix to " [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14108
[22:22:39] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) VisualEditor: Highlighted trailing whitespace should not have styles applied - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33108  +comment (10Rob Moen)
[22:28:45] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Yaron Koren; "Another attempt to check all the code in" [mediawiki/extensions/ExternalData] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14425
[22:33:29] <Yaron>	 Hi, I have a Git/Gerritt question - is this a good place for it?
[22:33:59] <Yaron>	 If so - the documentation says to call "git pull master" to get my branch up to date, but when I do that, it gives the following error:
[22:34:05] <Yaron>	 "fatal: 'master' does not appear to be a git repository"
[22:40:07] <^demon>	 Yaron: `git pull origin master`
[22:40:43] <^demon>	 "origin" is the remote, so git thought you were trying to pull from the "master" remote.
[22:41:16] <^demon>	 If the docs say just "git pull master" then they're wrong, and I apologize.
[22:41:52] <Platonides>	 alternatively, the configuration made after cloning allow you to say just git pull
[22:42:00] <^demon>	 Usually, yep.
[22:42:00] <Platonides>	 and it assumes that you are pulling the origin
[22:42:36] <^demon>	 Well if it's unspecified it falls back on whatever the default in .git/config is. You could make it automatically pull from some other remote/branch on `git pull`
[22:42:45] <^demon>	 But on a fresh clone, that's usually origin/master :)
[22:46:30] <Yaron>	 ^demon - ah, that worked, thanks!
[22:46:42] <Yaron>	 Yes, the docs just say "git pull master".
[22:46:54] <Yaron>	 Here: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Git/Workflow#Your_change_could_not_be_merged_due_to_a_path_conflict
[22:47:18] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Kaldari; "Beginning to add WikiLove module, also making modules more configurable" [mediawiki/extensions/PageTriage] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14427
[22:51:44] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) WLM App "near current location" list view doesn't sort by distance - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38062  (10Jon)
[22:55:07] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Reedy; "Minor stylize, add some braces" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14428
[23:01:21] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Siebrand; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14428
[23:03:45] <^demon>	 Gerrit about to go down for the upgrade to 2.4.2. Will let everyone know when it's back up.
[23:05:30] <marktraceur>	 Haha, awesome
[23:06:40] <^demon>	 I want my damn rebase button already :p
[23:06:50] <marktraceur>	 Haha, it's all yours
[23:07:11] <^demon>	 I've been using the rebase button on my localhost install for awhile now. It's such a timesaver :p
[23:07:15] * marktraceur  had temporarily forgotten about the downtime

[23:08:02] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) MobileFrontend extension should validate against W3C in Jenkins - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31876  +comment (10Krinkle)
[23:09:18] <marktraceur>	 ^demon: Any particular idea how long it'll take? :D
[23:09:52] <^demon>	 Hopefully not too long. We scheduled an hour, but I'd be very surprised if it took nearly that long.
[23:09:59] <marktraceur>	 Awesome.
[23:10:14] <marktraceur>	 That will do....yeeeeees, that will do niiiicely.
[23:12:23] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) moving a protected page borks the logs - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38123  +comment (10kipod)
[23:18:16] <vvv>	 TimStarling: someone proposed that we inject the u-methods (like s:utrim()) into string metatable. I find this a good idea. Do you have any objections, or perhaps you know anything that prevents us from doing so?
[23:19:57] <TimStarling>	 should work
[23:20:43] <TimStarling>	 you can't use setmetatable() on a string but you can use getmetatable() and then change its elements
[23:30:13] <vvv>	 TimStarling: is module.ClassName() a usual convention for Lua constructor function names?
[23:31:47] <Sid-G>	 TimStarling: Lua won't be coming out before '13?
[23:36:46] <TimStarling>	 vvv: don't know, does it matter?
[23:37:17] <vvv>	 TimStarling: well, you suggest it in your notes, and I assume that we want to make the API seem as native to Lua as possible
[23:37:30] <TimStarling>	 Sid-G: that sounds like a long way away
[23:37:51] <Sid-G>	 TimStarling: that's what i read in the roadmap (or something)
[23:38:04] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: MarkTraceur; "Add in new checkmark and alert graphics for upload step" [mediawiki/extensions/UploadWizard] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/10129
[23:38:42] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Adamw; "Makes our activemq_stomp compatible with the PECL Stomp class.  The connect and disconnect happen from within the constructor and destructor." [mediawiki/extensions/DonationInterface] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14431
[23:42:30] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) WLM App "near current location" list view doesn't sort by distance - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38062  +comment (10Jon)
[23:47:52] <wikibugs>	 03(ASSIGNED) WLM App needs a better login failed message - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38072  +comment (10Arthur Richards)
[23:51:28] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Reedy; "Add some explicit member variable definitions" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14272
[23:55:55] <^demon>	 Gerrit's back up. Took a bit longer than I would've liked, sorry for the delay.
[23:55:56] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Inez; "Rename ve.ce.BranchNode.doSlugs -> ve.ce.BranchNode.addSlugs" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14433
[23:56:58] <marktraceur>	 ^demon: Tried the new rebase, it works nicely!
[23:57:08] <^demon>	 Good :)
[23:57:14] <^demon>	 Isn't that such a timesaver?
[23:57:26] <^demon>	 Of course it can't fix it if there's conflicts, but many times there's not.
[23:57:46] <marktraceur>	 *nod* and that's helpful, at the very least on the review side
[23:57:56] <marktraceur>	 What does it do when there *are* conflicts?
[23:58:09] <^demon>	 Don't know, never tried.
[23:58:24] <^demon>	 I would hope the button doesn't show up at all.
[23:58:31] <RoanKattouw>	 Does it work for dependent patchsets too?
[23:58:54] <^demon>	 I *believe* so.
[23:58:58] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: MarkTraceur; "(bug 32843) Don't call the success method for checkFile() if there's an error" [mediawiki/extensions/UploadWizard] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/7149
[23:59:07] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: MarkTraceur; "(bug 32469) Remove alert message and use callbacks for validation" [mediawiki/extensions/UploadWizard] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/7608
[23:59:12] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: MarkTraceur; "(bug 37039) Remove complaints based on was-deleted warnings" [mediawiki/extensions/UploadWizard] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/8728
[23:59:15] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: MarkTraceur; "(bug 37109) Fix padding-right issue caused by strange timing" [mediawiki/extensions/UploadWizard] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/8928
[23:59:17] <^demon>	 Anyway. Have fun with it. If there's any bugs put 'em in BZ :)
[23:59:26] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: MarkTraceur; "(bug 37108) Add the current time to the filename in FormData" [mediawiki/extensions/UploadWizard] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/8937
[23:59:38] <marktraceur>	 Hm.
[23:59:47] <^demon>	 RoanKattouw: Oh, you mean if you rebase A, and B depends on A, will B be updated too?
[23:59:49] <marktraceur>	 Spam rebase could get annoying