[00:00:26] <Brooke>	 Success.
[00:00:27] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Catrope; "To elaborate on what Tim said about ParserOutput: to make the language links actually appear, you ha..." [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14084
[00:01:09] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Move svn.wikimedia.org/doc/ - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35663  (10spage)
[00:01:30] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Bsitu; "Add talk page notification to deletion wizard" [mediawiki/extensions/PageTriage] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16705
[00:01:45] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: GWicke; "Use killall -9 instead of just kill" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16707
[00:02:01] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: GWicke; [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16707
[00:02:19] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) VisualEditor: Unlisting should unlist all list levels - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37905  +comment (10Roan Kattouw)
[00:02:44] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) VisualEditor: Nested lists (tracking bug) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37854  (10Roan Kattouw)
[00:04:17] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Platonides; "This seems to have fixed parserTests.php at the same time (see change I9e35472c). :)" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/3962
[00:04:52] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Catrope; "Some nasty rebase conflicts in this one. It seems onCut and onCopy were merged into onCutCopy (or th..." [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/13423
[00:06:12] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Kaldari; "Making WikiLove wiki agnostic - no longer assumes it is on a Wikipedia." [mediawiki/extensions/WikiLove] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16708
[00:06:22] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Bsitu; [mediawiki/extensions/PageTriage] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16587
[00:07:29] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Trevor Parscal; "Switching to localStorage for copy and paste, remove test" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/13423
[00:08:10] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Trevor Parscal; [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/13423
[00:08:43] <wikibugs>	 04(REOPENED) tilde signatures inside nowiki tags sometimes get expanded (<includeonly><nowiki>~~~~</nowiki></includeonly>) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/93  +comment (10Platonides)
[00:09:12] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Kaldari; "Making WikiLove wiki agnostic - no longer assumes it is on a Wikipedia." [mediawiki/extensions/WikiLove] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16708
[00:09:14] <Platonides>	 oh, well, I pasted the undo link instead of the diff one
[00:10:50] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Bsitu; [mediawiki/extensions/PageTriage] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16679
[00:12:30] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Kaldari; "Making WikiLove wiki agnostic - no longer assumes it is on a Wikipedia." [mediawiki/extensions/WikiLove] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16708
[00:18:12] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: SPQRobin; "Show different subtitle for wikiversity and wikisource" [mediawiki/extensions/WikimediaIncubator] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16709
[00:20:23] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Catrope; [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.20wmf8) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16689
[00:20:35] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Catrope; [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.20wmf8) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16694
[00:22:31] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Kaldari; "Switching to protocol relative URLs." [mediawiki/extensions/DonationInterface] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16710
[00:23:52] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Pgehres; [mediawiki/extensions/DonationInterface] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16710
[00:29:41] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Please implement the following changes on Turkish Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38690  +comment (10Krenair)
[00:31:30] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Kaldari; "Adding an edit summary when tags are added via API." [mediawiki/extensions/PageTriage] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16572
[00:36:25] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Kaldari; "Adding an edit summary when tags are added via API." [mediawiki/extensions/PageTriage] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16572
[00:43:46] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) When uploading an image confirmation page loads image in full resolution - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38343  +comment (10Jon)
[00:44:12] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) When uploading an image confirmation page loads image in full resolution - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38343  +comment (10Jon)
[00:54:32] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Bsitu; [mediawiki/extensions/PageTriage] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16572
[01:00:43] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Mdale; "Fixes for java IE and experience improvments" [mediawiki/extensions/TimedMediaHandler] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16711
[01:03:42] <wikibugs>	 14(INVALID) Acitvate Extension:TemplateLink on dewiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/18681  +comment (10Krenair)
[01:04:18] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: J; [mediawiki/extensions/TimedMediaHandler] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16711
[01:07:07] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Mdale; "Fixes the absoluteUrl method, remove lanugage.parser ( use core version )" [mediawiki/extensions/MwEmbedSupport] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16712
[01:08:05] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: J; [mediawiki/extensions/MwEmbedSupport] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16712
[01:10:40] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Write and run script to find non-existent images on WMF wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/15889  +comment (10Krenair)
[01:17:24] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Mdale; "Added missing jar file" [mediawiki/extensions/TimedMediaHandler] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16713
[01:17:53] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: J; [mediawiki/extensions/TimedMediaHandler] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16713
[01:28:00] <wikibugs>	 14(INVALID) Review (and install?) Extension:Chemistry on en.wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/7514  +comment (10Krenair)
[01:29:13] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Mdale; "fix the absolute url method" [mediawiki/extensions/MwEmbedSupport] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16714
[01:29:48] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: J; [mediawiki/extensions/MwEmbedSupport] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16714
[01:45:27] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Aaron Schulz; "[FileBackend] Made copy script use error() for status dump." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16715
[01:51:12] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Siebrand; [mediawiki/extensions/WikimediaIncubator] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16709
[01:51:46] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Siebrand; [translatewiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16666
[01:52:54] <azzura>	 How do i create a search option in my media wiki page? Like if i want to search for a particular content in a page, how do i give the user that option?
[01:55:58] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Siebrand; "http://www.ethnologue.com/show_language.asp?code=tru shows this language is written in two scripts. ..." [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16460
[01:59:39] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Aaron Schulz; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16715
[02:08:58] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Catrope; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11733
[02:11:06] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Catrope; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12790
[02:18:45] <Vbitz>	 the install is saying it can't find a suitable database driver, phpinfo says mysql is enabled. I'm running this on debain stable using nginx 
[02:22:34] <RoanKattouw>	 Vbitz: Are you using the MW 1.19 tarball or master?
[02:22:41] <Vbitz>	 tarball
[02:22:42] <RoanKattouw>	 Also, have you tried restarting the installer?
[02:22:45] <Vbitz>	 yes
[02:22:49] <RoanKattouw>	 Hmph
[02:22:59] <RoanKattouw>	 I'd ping the installer guy (^demon) but he's not here
[02:23:30] <Vbitz>	 it's somehow working now
[02:23:43] <Vbitz>	 i must of needed to restart a service
[02:37:28] <Alex__>	 Hi
[02:38:04] <Alex__>	 Anyone around?
[02:39:01] <Danny_B|backup>	 !ask | Alex__ 
[02:39:02] <wm-bot>	 Alex__: Hi, how can we help you? Just ask your question.
[02:40:06] <Alex__>	 Hey, I am trying to "reskin" the vector skin to match it with my site, and I understand how to change stuff and set the backgrounds and all, but I want to move the site logo from the side to above the wiki itself, so it looks like https://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/Main_Page
[02:40:17] <Alex__>	 any ideas?
[02:41:56] <Danny_B|backup>	 did you try to copy the stuff from their site?
[02:42:26] <Alex__>	 I tried the code from here - https://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/MediaWiki:Vector.css
[02:42:41] <Alex__>	 but it doesn't change much, just a few colors
[02:43:00] <Danny_B|backup>	 you'd need to change the php as well
[02:43:33] <Alex__>	 do you have any idea which file that would be in?
[02:43:57] <Danny_B|backup>	 look in skins directory
[02:43:58] <Danny_B|backup>	 the wiki seems to me to be under open license, so why don't you just write them and ask them for sources?
[02:44:26] <Alex__>	 Oh you mean Vector.php
[02:45:41] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Uninstall CustomUserSignup extension from Wikimedia wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37787  (10spage)
[02:46:24] <Danny_B|backup>	 yup
[02:51:46] <Alex__>	 I doubt they would give me the sources, they are a company. I just like the concept of putting the logo above the wiki
[03:11:49] <Azzura>	 Hi i am using a AWC forum for discussion. I would like my 3 most recent threads to come on the main page of my media wiki. How do i do that?
[03:47:40] <Alex__>	 At this point
[03:47:42] <Alex__>	 I give up
[03:47:54] <Alex__>	 I am willing to hire someone to modify a skin for me
[03:49:19] <Brooke>	 Alex__: What are you trying to modify?
[03:49:27] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Catrope; "Make VE work again with the link RDFa changes in Parsoid" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16717
[03:49:37] <Brooke>	 Alex__: You can do a lot with CSS alone.
[03:49:49] <Brooke>	 But if you want to switch to a different skin, it's usually not too difficult.
[03:49:53] <Alex__>	 trying to layout the vector skin to match the layout here - https://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/Main_Page
[03:50:13] <Alex__>	 but the results I am getting are not looking pretty
[03:50:23] <Brooke>	 Looks like that is vector.
[03:50:29] <Brooke>	 It shouldn't be very difficult.
[03:50:44] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Krinkle; "Kranitor #2: Pass JSHint on resources/mediawiki/*" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16718
[03:50:57] <Alex__>	 yeah it is, I just dont have extensive knowledge of css and mediawiki, and all my attempts so far have been in vain
[03:51:25] <Alex__>	 it goes in random places lol
[03:54:37] <Brooke>	 You should just ask them how they did it.
[03:54:50] <Brooke>	 Typically you'd use MediaWiki:Vector.css or MediaWiki:Common.css (pages on the wiki).
[03:54:55] <Brooke>	 Or an extension, maybe.
[03:55:03] <Brooke>	 It seems like they've hacked up the files.
[03:55:34] <Brooke>	 You should be able to pinpoint it in the page source.
[03:56:43] <Alex__>	 I did
[03:57:03] <Alex__>	 and even the code I copied over I got it to sorta fit, but not really
[03:57:18] <Alex__>	 it just turned it into an uneditable mess
[04:12:30] <Brooke>	 Alex__: Hmm, yeah, they did some funkiness with search and some other pieces. Probably hacked up Vector server-side.
[04:12:38] <Brooke>	 You should ask them to release their code. :-)
[04:13:17] <Brooke>	 I wonder if the two buttons is still controlled by a variable... it used to be the default, but Vector killed the concept by using a drop-down menu.
[04:13:24] <Brooke>	 People found two buttons confusing.
[04:13:38] <Brooke>	 Allegedly.
[04:13:48] <Alex__>	 Two buttons?
[04:13:56] <Brooke>	 Go and Search.
[04:13:59] <Alex__>	 Well the version is 1.6 as well
[04:14:16] <Brooke>	 1.16.5, you mean.
[04:14:18] <Alex__>	 haha I get it
[04:14:22] <Alex__>	 yeah sorry
[04:14:29] <Brooke>	 But I'm saying that Vector got rid of the two buttons, I think.
[04:14:32] <Alex__>	 yeah I dont understand the difference between go and search
[04:15:18] <Brooke>	 "Search" always searches. "Go" tries an exact match (or really close match) and then searches as a backup option.
[04:16:30] <_Meow>	 It is really confusing
[04:27:13] <Alex__>	 I guess I can see why it does that
[04:27:24] <Alex__>	 at any rate, I hired someone to design a skin
[04:28:13] <Brooke>	 gj
[04:36:45] <Alex__>	 haha
[04:36:52] <Alex__>	 I would mess it up anyway
[04:37:31] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Siebrand; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16607
[04:38:20] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Siebrand; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16603
[04:38:53] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Siebrand; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16604
[04:43:05] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Add explanatory links to file metadata or its labels - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/28625  summary (10Siebrand)
[04:44:45] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Siebrand; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16600
[04:56:21] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Santhosh; [mediawiki/extensions/UniversalLanguageSelector] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16598
[05:55:41] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Add explanatory links to file metadata or its labels - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/28625  normal->15enhancement (10Nemo_bis)
[05:56:42] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Santhosh; "(bug 38670) Provide a no results found view" [mediawiki/extensions/UniversalLanguageSelector] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16628
[06:16:23] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Mwjames; "Add JSON class for better public access" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16644
[06:26:19] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Allow users to scroll to the next region - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38696 normal; MediaWiki extensions: UniversalLanguageSelector; (pginer)
[06:26:37] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Allow users to scroll to the next region - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38696   +i18n (10Pau Giner)
[06:35:33] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Santhosh; "Extension authors" [mediawiki/extensions/UniversalLanguageSelector] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16599
[06:35:51] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Santhosh; "Removed all extra spaces" [mediawiki/extensions/UniversalLanguageSelector] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16599
[07:00:15] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Unexpected newline added before true value in {{#if:}} - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38697 major; MediaWiki: Parser; (danny.b)
[07:04:04] <Azzura>	 Hey. i have a link which begins like file://link to file.html. Its in the server and not in my system alone. But if i provide a link in media wiki it doesnt open up the link. Is there anyway to directly open the page when i click on the link
[07:04:05] <Azzura>	 ?
[07:11:01] <tale>	 Azzura: See media: on this page http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Links
[07:16:16] <wikibugs>	 03(VERIFIED) Instance creation not complete - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38644  (10Niklas Laxström)
[07:17:20] <Azzura>	 <tale> that doesnt seem to be working .
[07:17:31] <Azzura>	 it doesnt say anything about opening files which begin with file://
[07:19:10] <tale>	 Azzura: Indeed it does not.
[07:19:40] <azzura_>	 There s no way to open a file:// type file from media wiki?
[07:20:15] <tale>	 Azzura: Unless some extension provides that. But use the media: thing.
[07:20:45] <azzura_>	 that doesnt help. And the extension isnt stable so i doubt it works.
[07:21:08] <tale>	 Azzura: With media: you can link to a file you have uploaded to Mediawiki.
[07:22:34] <azzura_>	 This isnt a file that i have uploaded to media wiki. Its there on the server and its constantly updated by the teams. so if i could find a way to provide a mediawiki link to that page, it d be perfect.
[07:26:07] <tale>	 Azzura: Put that file to a directory a HTTP server serves.
[07:29:34] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) add a merge feature for items - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38682  (10jeblad)
[07:29:35] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Merging of items - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38664  (10jeblad)
[07:29:44] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Use my current location doesn't list nearby monuments - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38698 normal; WikiLoves Monuments Mobile: Browse; (raunator)
[07:43:32] <freakolowsky>	 lo
[07:45:25] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Unexpected newline added before true value in {{#if:}} - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38697  +comment (10matanya)
[07:50:37] <freakolowsky>	 am i the only one here who just can't get the hang of using git :S
[08:07:40] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Tobias Gritschacher; "selenium: fixed issue with remotetests; added new config-var "suported_browsers";" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16719
[08:08:02] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Tobias Gritschacher; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16719
[08:09:36] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) captcha seems broken, don't allow new accounts - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38699 normal; Wikimedia Labs: deployment-prep (beta); (hashar)
[08:10:12] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) captcha seems broken, don't allow new accounts - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38699  (10Antoine "hashar" Musso)
[08:11:37] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Intraline difference not working - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38700 normal; Wikimedia: Git/Gerrit; (niklas.laxstrom)
[08:11:41] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) InstantCommons is broken - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38701 normal; Wikimedia Labs: deployment-prep (beta); (hashar)
[08:12:00] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) InstantCommons is broken - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38701  (10Antoine "hashar" Musso)
[08:14:19] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Mwjames; "Add source auto default" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16720
[08:14:26] <Nikerabbit>	 morning
[08:14:48] <hashar>	 hello Nikerabbit :)
[08:15:11] <freakolowsky>	 hey
[08:16:46] <freakolowsky>	 sql+ / as sysdba
[08:17:07] <freakolowsky>	 grrrr ... g'damn irc ... sTOP stealing my focus
[08:18:55] <freakolowsky>	 hey hashar ... is there a way to browse git code by revisions, just like it used to be in good old svn times :D
[08:19:44] <hashar>	 freakolowsky: git log ? :-D
[08:20:09] <hashar>	 freakolowsky: you could list any commit in Gerrit too, something like:    project:mediawiki/core
[08:20:12] <freakolowsky>	 pfff ... was thinking more clickytyclick way
[08:20:23] <hashar>	 we have gitweb too
[08:21:04] <hashar>	 freakolowsky: there is https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/gitweb?p=mediawiki/core.git;a=log
[08:21:30] <freakolowsky>	 yeah, just looking at it now ... liked the old thing better
[08:26:10] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Santhosh; "(bug 38670) Provide a no results found view" [mediawiki/extensions/UniversalLanguageSelector] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16628
[08:26:45] <hashar_>	 freakolowsky: if you have any idea to improve the ui, we are all for it :-D
[08:27:02] <hashar_>	 freakolowsky: one missing feature is the ability to filter out commit per path (such as includes/parser/
[08:27:09] <hashar_>	 I end up doing a git log includes/parser/
[08:27:50] <Nikerabbit>	 hashar_: one big annoynance is that there is no link to gitweb from gerrit anywhere (except to the specific patch only)
[08:28:15] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Mwjames; "Jeroen, I tried to work around this issue but in the end I needed a method that sets the default as ..." [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16720
[08:28:20] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Nikerabbit; "1.20wmf7: Narayam to master" [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.20wmf7) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16721
[08:28:51] <hashar>	 Nikerabbit: maybe a gitweb link could be added in the change metadata table (top left), along the Owner: Project: fields.
[08:28:57] <hashar>	 Nikerabbit: I am pretty sure Chad could code that
[08:29:13] <Nikerabbit>	 hashar: possibly
[08:31:03] <Nikerabbit>	 hashar: does jenkins verify commits to wmf branches?
[08:31:45] <hashar>	 nop
[08:31:48] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Hashar; "some doc for the ORM system" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16230
[08:31:59] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Hashar; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16230
[08:32:00] <Nikerabbit>	 oki
[08:32:11] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Nikerabbit; [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.20wmf7) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16721
[08:32:14] <hashar>	 Nikerabbit: I have added some support for branches 
[08:32:42] <hashar>	 but need an automatic way to handle them
[08:33:41] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Hashar; "I have sent the following text to Santosh and Nikerabbit:" [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11726
[08:33:54] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Aude; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16494
[08:43:48] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Pginer; "Looks good but I have a pair of comments:" [mediawiki/extensions/UniversalLanguageSelector] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16628
[08:45:00] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) Enable Narayam on Punjabi Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/32516  (10Niklas Laxström)
[08:47:12] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Preceding text and single apostrophes are not included in links - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/468  +comment (10matanya)
[08:51:34] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Cloned sortable tables throw JavaScript errror - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38704 normal; MediaWiki: JavaScript; (listenleser)
[08:54:25] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Cloned sortable tables throw JavaScript errror - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38704  (10matanya)
[08:58:28] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Tobias Gritschacher; "fix of recent_changes selenium test" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16722
[08:58:40] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Tobias Gritschacher; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16722
[09:02:09] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Krinkle; "Kranitor #2: Pass JSHint on resources/mediawiki/*" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16718
[09:04:20] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Nikerabbit; "what is kranitor?" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16718
[09:04:33] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Re-evaluate librsvg as SVG renderer on Wikimedia wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38010  +comment (10Jarry1250)
[09:06:36] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Thumbnail rendering of SVGs broken - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/8566  +comment (10Jarry1250)
[09:07:28] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Nikerabbit; [mediawiki/extensions/WikimediaIncubator] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16585
[09:09:17] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Aude; "move default settings from repo to lib, clientPageArgs used in lib" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16723
[09:09:39] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Refactor interlang & interwiki code - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38705 normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (daniel.kinzler)
[09:09:42] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Provide a 'user-watchlist' that lists all recent contributions of a set of users - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/470  +comment (10matanya)
[09:09:53] <wikibugs>	 03(ASSIGNED) Refactor interlang & interwiki code - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38705   +wikidata (10Daniel Kinzler)
[09:10:26] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Refactor interlang & interwiki code - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38705  (10Daniel Kinzler)
[09:11:05] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Refactor interlang & interwiki code (13) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38705  summary (10Daniel Kinzler)
[09:11:52] <wikibugs>	 03(ASSIGNED) Test revert for items (3) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38179  (10Daniel Kinzler)
[09:12:13] <wikibugs>	 03(ASSIGNED) Transclusion Syntax - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38703  +comment (10Daniel Kinzler)
[09:12:19] <wikibugs>	 03(ASSIGNED) API Phase 2 Design - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38702  +comment (10Daniel Kinzler)
[09:12:29] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Aude; "move default settings from repo to lib, clientPageArgs used in lib" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16723
[09:12:40] <wikibugs>	 03(ASSIGNED) Data Item DOM for description & aliases should be integrated into existing DOM properly - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38145  (10Daniel Kinzler)
[09:12:50] <wikibugs>	 03(ASSIGNED) Design JavaScript API for item (5) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38174  (10Daniel Kinzler)
[09:13:00] <wikibugs>	 03(ASSIGNED) Design grid UI for phase II (8) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38173  (10Daniel Kinzler)
[09:13:42] <wikibugs>	 03(ASSIGNED) Content handler for different types of wiki content (5) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36450  (10Daniel Kinzler)
[09:13:51] <wikibugs>	 03(ASSIGNED) Specify language fallback (8) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36430  (10Daniel Kinzler)
[09:16:13] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Connect repository and client in our test systems - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38172  +comment (10Daniel Kinzler)
[09:18:14] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Krinkle; "mediawiki.Uri: Optional url use default location." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16066
[09:27:29] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Cloned sortable tables throw JavaScript errror - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38704  +comment (10Krinkle)
[09:28:31] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Search does not find some pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37578  +comment (10Foroa)
[09:29:24] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) adding new table with Table button doesn't work - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38663   +code-update-regression; +comment (10Michael M.)
[09:38:21] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Mormegil; "The only thing I am slightly unsure about is the 'dayofweek-at' variant: getWeekdayName returns the ..." [mediawiki/core] (master) C: 1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/15746
[09:39:45] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Aude; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16520
[09:40:16] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) captcha seems broken, don't allow new accounts - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38699  +comment (10Antoine "hashar" Musso)
[09:44:24] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) document deployment on beta - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37943  +comment (10Antoine "hashar" Musso)
[10:14:57] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) InstantCommons is broken - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38701  +comment (10Antoine "hashar" Musso)
[10:19:36] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Spec external ID links for Items - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38678  +comment (10Nikola Smolenski)
[10:26:53] * p858snake|l  pounces on a wild domas

[10:35:14] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Typing ओं is not possible in hindi transliteration - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38238  +comment (10Siddhartha Ghai)
[11:13:41] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Nischayn22; "Implementation of Property count" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16111
[11:41:32] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Santhosh; "(bug 38686) Autocompletion support" [mediawiki/extensions/UniversalLanguageSelector] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16660
[11:44:40] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Santhosh; [mediawiki/extensions/UniversalLanguageSelector] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16599
[11:52:33] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Eranroz; "ajaxify watch links on SpecialUnwatchedpages." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/6143
[11:59:40] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Santhosh; "Cross-language language name search" [mediawiki/extensions/UniversalLanguageSelector] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16014
[12:00:02] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Santhosh; "Rebased" [mediawiki/extensions/UniversalLanguageSelector] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16014
[12:02:10] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Tobias Gritschacher; "made taskname and target OS in rake configurable via commandline" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16725
[12:03:43] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Tobias Gritschacher; "cleanup of rakefile" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16726
[12:04:18] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Tobias Gritschacher; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16726
[12:04:18] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Tobias Gritschacher; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16725
[12:30:44] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Eranroz; "AJAXify watchlist editor" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/9979
[12:32:45] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Santhosh; "Cross-language language name search" [mediawiki/extensions/UniversalLanguageSelector] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16014
[12:32:47] <13WAA7755>	 hello, i have a problem with teh timezone, on the console (bash) date -> print the correct date, in a php file echo(date("l dS \of F Y h:i:s A") . "<br />"); print the correct time, but in the wiki the modification date is UTC (local -2) in the localsettings  $wgLocaltimezone = "Europe/Berlin"; and $wgLocalTZoffset = date("Z") / 60; is set how can help
[12:32:47] <13WAA7755>	  
[12:36:36] <matanya>	 13WAA7755: in the preference change it to what ever you desire
[12:41:39] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Markus Kroetzsch; [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16111
[12:46:55] <matanya>	 apergos: wikibugs is dead
[12:48:17] <aurimai>	 Live Translate extension works fine with local memories, but fails to use Google Translate. I've got a Google API key for browser applications and any referer is allowed. I've been fighting it for some months, but still don't get what's wrong.
[12:48:42] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: John Erling Blad; "Use only the list of supported wikis" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16727
[12:52:05] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: John Erling Blad; "New bug is on the way.." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16727
[12:52:21] <13WAA7755>	 update i have set $wgLocaltimezone = "Europe/Moscow"; and there is sill the same problem. i think $wgLocaltimezone doesnt work
[12:54:55] <nischayn22>	 Small question about best policy for hooks, is it better to run hooks at *only* one place?
[12:58:11] <Platonides>	 what do you mean?
[12:59:55] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: John Erling Blad; "Use only the list of supported wikis" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16727
[13:00:18] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Santhosh; "Use autonyms for displaying search results" [mediawiki/extensions/UniversalLanguageSelector] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16728
[13:01:01] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Tobias Gritschacher; "selenium: adjusted/extended readme and minor fix in rakefile" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16729
[13:01:09] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Tobias Gritschacher; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16729
[13:05:28] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Santhosh; "Use autonyms for displaying search results" [mediawiki/extensions/UniversalLanguageSelector] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16728
[13:09:28] <nischayn22>	 Platonides: is it okay to run wfRunHooks() at more than one place ?
[13:12:25] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Tobias Gritschacher; "temporarely removed weird checks from sitelinks selenium tests" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16730
[13:12:38] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Tobias Gritschacher; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16730
[13:21:54] <vinfcuk>	 hello , please see this https://gist.github.com/3182004 and help me out
[13:23:40] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: MaxSem; "Make action=sitematrix more flexible" [mediawiki/extensions/SiteMatrix] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16731
[13:30:20] <arduinoob>	 I tried asking this question yesterday: I am getting a strange error when uploading a large file (around 1 GB) to mediawiki "Could not store file /tmp/phpHTGds into mwstore://<path>". I followed instructions for increasing the allowable uploads in both LocalSettings.php and php.ini. That resolved initial errors, but this one remains.
[13:33:26] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Nikerabbit; "Good point. I don't think GRAMMAR is the easiest solution. We can add the genitive weekday as anothe..." [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/15746
[13:40:31] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Fixed error when viewing item page for non-existing item" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16733
[13:42:35] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: John Erling Blad; "Some fixes in importInterlang.php" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16734
[13:42:59] <freakolowsky>	 how can i check which git revision is equal to 1.19.1 tarball?
[13:44:15] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: John Erling Blad; "I think it works, but my setup misses some of the sites used by the simple elements file. Just try t..." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16734
[13:49:30] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Henning Snater; "38145: DOM restructuring [DO NOT SUBMIT]" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16735
[13:51:15] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Nikerabbit; "Why I don't get any results for example when I search for tanska?" [mediawiki/extensions/UniversalLanguageSelector] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16014
[13:51:32] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Tobias Gritschacher; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16733
[13:52:45] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Nikerabbit; "Apparently langnames.ser was not up to date. Should we add it to repo?" [mediawiki/extensions/UniversalLanguageSelector] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16014
[13:54:35] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Henning Snater; "Do not submit this patch set - work in progress." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16735
[14:00:02] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: John Erling Blad; "Call to array_merge while referencing a parent method that doesnt exist" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16736
[14:04:41] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Fix sitelinks in ItemDiff" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16737
[14:04:56] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Raylton P. Sousa; "I have tested and is working as expected." [mediawiki/extensions/BookManager] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16523
[14:04:56] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Raylton P. Sousa; [mediawiki/extensions/BookManager] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16523
[14:07:47] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Aude; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16737
[14:09:27] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Jeroen De Dauw; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16736
[14:10:17] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Jens Ohlig; "It fails to import any data. "Error: several hits" is the answer on any element addition." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: -1 C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16734
[14:10:31] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Mormegil; "@Nikerabbit: Well, 1) I don?t think MediaWiki currently knows genitive weekday names, and 2) This is..." [mediawiki/core] (master) C: 1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/15746
[14:11:50] <arduinoob>	 The error is coming from FileOp.php line 442:   if ( filesize( $this->params['src'] ) > $this->backend->maxFileSizeInternal() ).  It looks like FileBackendStore $maxFileSize is hard-coded to 1000000000 bytes. I'm not sure that this is ever trumped by $wgMaxUploadSize
[14:12:29] <arduinoob>	 Just an arbitrary hard limit of ~1GB
[14:12:37] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Nikerabbit; "Hmph you are right. We could just split that into seven messages of form [Monday|Tuesday|..] at $1." [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/15746
[14:12:42] <kim_bruning>	 hello arduinoob , you must be really small
[14:12:58] <arduinoob>	 kim_bruning: ??
[14:13:33] <kim_bruning>	 you're an arduino , a very small device :-)
[14:13:38] <Nikerabbit>	 hi kim_bruning
[14:13:47] <kim_bruning>	 hi nikerabbit!
[14:13:48] <arduinoob>	 kim_bruning: ah, now I get it ;) 
[14:13:48] <kim_bruning>	 how's life?
[14:14:00] <kim_bruning>	 I actually have a question
[14:14:21] <kim_bruning>	 wasn't there an (api) option to just output html of a wikipage, without embellishments etc?
[14:16:34] <arduinoob>	 I could create a patch for this file. How can I access settings defined in LocalSettings.php? Is there a registry or singleton floating around?
[14:16:40] * kim_bruning  scratches head... it's got to be vvery obvious

[14:16:55] <kim_bruning>	 arduinoob, they're just global variables <shudder>
[14:17:01] <arduinoob>	 oh my
[14:17:03] <arduinoob>	 ok
[14:17:16] <kim_bruning>	 welcome to PHP
[14:17:40] <kim_bruning>	 once upon a time I created a singleton for the huge bunch of config vars for ye olde wikidata
[14:18:13] <kim_bruning>	 actually, I COULD do the same for localsettings for mediawiki itself, and modify all the extensions too
[14:18:17] <arduinoob>	 I thought globals are disallowed  in PHP for a while
[14:18:22] <kim_bruning>	 (I am decent at metaprogramming O:-) )
[14:18:26] <kim_bruning>	 arduinoob, bzzt! ;-)
[14:18:47] <arduinoob>	 Just make a registry
[14:18:57] <arduinoob>	 I think Zend FW did this at one point
[14:19:04] <arduinoob>	 wasn't the end of the world
[14:19:24] <arduinoob>	 easier said than done though I suppose w/ all the extensions floating around
[14:19:29] * kim_bruning  just wonders what I would get from the  codereview er

[14:19:33] <arduinoob>	 massive find/replace :P
[14:19:37] <kim_bruning>	 especially now they're ion git, that's tricky
[14:19:42] <kim_bruning>	 arduinoob, it has to be a massive refactor
[14:19:53] <kim_bruning>	 (syntax aware find/replace)
[14:20:07] * kim_bruning  wishes we had better syntax aware editors :-/

[14:20:28] <kim_bruning>	 anyway, any answers to my really obvious question?
[14:20:29] <kim_bruning>	 :-/
[14:20:39] <arduinoob>	 sed -re 's@$wgMaxFileSize@Registry::get("max-file-size")@g' *
[14:20:41] <arduinoob>	 perfect!
[14:20:46] <arduinoob>	 haha
[14:21:19] <kim_bruning>	 IIRC there were issues with that :-P
[14:21:26] <kim_bruning>	 but it's been a while
[14:21:43] <arduinoob>	 yeah... I imagine there would be :)
[14:22:16] <sumanah>	 petan: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=37416
[14:22:26] <petan>	 hi
[14:22:33] <petan>	 checking
[14:22:35] <Nikerabbit>	 
[14:22:36] <petan>	 :)
[14:22:41] <kim_bruning>	 repeating my own question: I recall there was some way to get just the html of a wikipage, without the menus and tabs etc. but I forget where to find that option?
[14:22:56] <sumanah>	 hi kim_bruning 
[14:23:09] <kim_bruning>	 ohi sumanah , how's life?
[14:23:45] <sumanah>	 !api
[14:23:45] <wm-bot>	 The MediaWiki API provides direct, high-level access to the data contained in the MediaWiki databases. Client programs should be able to use the API to login, get data, and post changes. Find out more at <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/API>. For client libraries in various languages, see <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/API:Client_Code>.
[14:24:02] <sumanah>	 kim_bruning: I suggest you play with https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:ApiSandbox to find the option you want
[14:24:10] <sumanah>	 kim_bruning: not bad! planning for a trip. you?
[14:25:07] <sumanah>	 arduinoob: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Configuration_database is on our wishlist, but a configuration management overhaul would be a big endeavor
[14:25:21] <aude>	 kim_bruning: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=parse&page=France&prop=text
[14:25:28] * aude  killing server kittens ;)

[14:29:05] <kim_bruning>	 aude Oh, the prop=text is what does it then?
[14:29:26] <kim_bruning>	 sumanah, I'm good too! Where are you headed (this time?)
[14:29:31] <kim_bruning>	 aude, meeeow!
[14:29:37] <kim_bruning>	 aude, back in berlin?
[14:29:41] <kim_bruning>	 bist du ein berliner?
[14:29:42] <sumanah>	 kim_bruning: England, for a vacation
[14:29:51] <kim_bruning>	 sumanah, oh awesome
[14:30:09] <aude>	 ist in berlin:)
[14:30:18] <kim_bruning>	 6-8 hours from me by car, about 10 from aude
[14:30:24] <kim_bruning>	 or just 2 hours per ryanair :-P
[14:30:29] <aude>	 ugh 
[14:30:32] <kim_bruning>	 depending on where in the uk
[14:31:00] <kim_bruning>	 aude, by car is kinda fun in parts of germany, though they keep putting up more of those silly signs with red circles on them :-P
[14:31:17] <kim_bruning>	 aude: I seem to get a lot of &lt &gt back if I do the prop=text
[14:31:39] <kim_bruning>	 wrapped in an <parse title="France">
[14:31:39] <kim_bruning>	     <text xml:space="preserve">
[14:31:40] <kim_bruning>	 ugh!
[14:32:27] <aude>	 kim_bruning: you still have to work with it in php
[14:32:40] <aude>	 conver the entities to html tags
[14:32:43] <Danny_B|backup>	 why i still keep reading kim_burning?
[14:32:45] <aude>	 or you can use python, whatever
[14:33:09] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Jeroen De Dauw; [mediawiki/extensions/UploadWizard] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/9984
[14:35:47] <kim_bruning>	 Danny_B|backup, hmm?
[14:36:00] <kim_bruning>	 Danny_B|backup, I dunno, because I'm just THAT hot? ;-)
[14:36:36] <aude>	 kim_bruning: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=parse&page=France&prop=text&format=json :)
[14:36:37] <kim_bruning>	 aude, of course, but I wanted to export direct to an end user (do not pass go, do not collect $200)
[14:37:20] <kim_bruning>	 at the end of the day, it's a semantic mw table though, so maybe I should just look into one of them fancy semantic export plugins
[14:37:55] <kim_bruning>	 and I'd think html output with no skin would be a fairly obvious application, and I THOUGHT I'd seen it around someplace.
[14:37:59] <kim_bruning>	 guess I'm wrong :-(
[14:38:23] <kim_bruning>	 sumanah, where in .uk are you headed, btw?
[14:38:30] <kim_bruning>	 and will you be visiting more of europe?
[14:38:44] <sumanah>	 just northern England, and that's it
[14:38:46] <kim_bruning>	 or wm meetups? Or REALLY vacationing period?
[14:39:01] <sumanah>	 offline, vacation, lots of seeing pretty fields and streams
[14:39:06] <kim_bruning>	 Cool, haven't been there myself, but have been told it's awesomely pretty, or prettyawesome
[14:39:14] <kim_bruning>	 sumanah, sounds like a plan
[14:39:18] <kim_bruning>	 sumanah, have fun!
[14:39:35] <kim_bruning>	 aude, thanks for looking ;-)
[14:39:35] <sumanah>	 :)
[14:41:09] <aude>	 kim_bruning: there also is view-source:http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?action=render&title=Main_Page
[14:41:22] <aude>	 kim_bruning: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?action=render&title=Main_Page
[14:41:34] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Jeroen De Dauw; [mediawiki/extensions/Contest] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16636
[14:42:57] <kim_bruning>	 aude, Oh duh ...
[14:43:00] * kim_bruning  checks if that always works

[14:44:59] <kim_bruning>	 aude, I knew it was something simple :-.
[14:47:19] <kim_bruning>	 Aude: ok , awesome, I got something usable out of it
[14:47:26] * kim_bruning  hugs Aude

[14:47:55] <aude>	 kim_bruning: good
[14:48:12] <aude>	 you'd use action=parsed if you want more details in the output
[14:48:23] <aude>	 action=render works for your use case
[14:49:35] <kim_bruning>	 I only remembered it was something REALLY obvious :-P
[14:50:53] <aude>	 kim_bruning: sure
[14:50:55] <kim_bruning>	 aude, in fact, ?action=render to the end of a URL ought to do it most of the time :-)
[14:51:01] <aude>	 it should
[14:51:34] <kim_bruning>	 in other random news: http://beta.degreesofwikipedia.com/?a1=pair+programming&linktype=1&a2=wiki&skips=&submit=1343313687&currentlang=en
[14:52:08] <kim_bruning>	 promoting pair editing and pair adminning also sounds like a good idea for some reason :-P
[14:52:38] <aude>	 view-source:http://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=parse&page=France&prop=text&format=jsonfm also provides some html encoding but still needs some processing
[14:52:45] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: John Erling Blad; "Shoot down surviving item params, they're not needed." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16738
[14:52:47] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Eranroz; "bug 24172,24114 Adding dialog for file, localised" [mediawiki/extensions/WikiEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/9053
[14:52:53] <aude>	 "fm" can be added to any format type to do this
[14:52:54] <caimlas>	 does anyone here use the SMW Plus extensions? I've been trying to find it but the site's DNS is down and I can't find any information as to why.
[14:53:40] <aude>	 kim_bruning: cool
[14:53:59] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Hashar; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16662
[14:54:11] <sumanah>	 hi caimlas - have you tried the Semantic MediaWiki IRC channel?
[14:54:36] <kim_bruning>	 caimlas, #semantic-mediawiki
[14:56:46] * sumanah  polishes off the developer access queue

[14:56:54] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Hashar; "(bug 12681) 'new message' bar above the page title" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4549
[14:57:52] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Hashar; "I have cleaned up commit message to use a short first line summary." [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4549
[14:58:46] * kim_bruning  pokepokes the caimlas 

[14:59:36] <kim_bruning>	 oh, he's already in #semantic-mediawiki
[14:59:38] <caimlas>	 kim_bruning, sumanah, yes, I'm in that channel too. Not getting any responses, though.
[14:59:55] <kim_bruning>	 caimlas, you'd expect a response during NYC office hours, at the least
[15:00:12] <aude>	 JeroenDeDauw is busy right now but might be able to help you 
[15:00:12] * caimlas  checks the clock

[15:00:18] <caimlas>	 kim_bruning, what's special about NYC? :)
[15:00:37] <sumanah>	 caimlas: Yaron lives in New York City
[15:00:41] <kim_bruning>	 caimlas, that's where....
[15:00:41] <caimlas>	 ah
[15:00:51] <kim_bruning>	 as always, sumanah is way too fast :-P
[15:00:55] <caimlas>	 I like NYC. 
[15:02:36] <kim_bruning>	 sumanah, do you have a stomach, or an RTG driving you? :-P
[15:03:02] * sumanah  looks up RTG. "A radioisotope thermoelectric generator (RTG, RITEG) is an electrical generator that obtains its power from radioactive decay."

[15:03:17] <sumanah>	 kim_bruning: you have in fact broken bread with me, so you know that there is at least some kind of metabolism happening
[15:03:33] <kim_bruning>	 sumanah, that could just be a ruse to seem normal O:-)
[15:03:46] <kim_bruning>	 or an aux power source ;-)
[15:03:49] <sumanah>	 kim_bruning: ha! did you ever read the Asimov story about a suspected robot running for public office?
[15:04:07] <sumanah>	 "Evidence"
[15:04:12] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Daniel Kinzler; "seems to work fine." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16727
[15:04:12] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Daniel Kinzler; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16727
[15:04:13] <kim_bruning>	 sumanah, I've read a lot of asimov stories, maybe the one you mention even inspired me to ask ;-)
[15:04:19] <sumanah>	 hee
[15:04:21] <kim_bruning>	 sumanah, you certainly seem to pass the turing test ;-)
[15:04:31] <sumanah>	 rock
[15:04:35] <sumanah>	 I'll put that on my LinkedIn
[15:04:37] <kim_bruning>	 I'mnot sure I tried voight-kampf on you yet :-P
[15:05:31] <kim_bruning>	 I'm thinking maybe you share a power supply with R.E.A.S.O.N  (of "I'm sure they'll see REASON" fame)
[15:06:07] <kim_bruning>	 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snow_Crash#Reason
[15:06:27] <kim_bruning>	 you never know what power-sources you were hefting in those bags you didn't want to let go of O:-)
[15:06:45] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Jeroen De Dauw; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16738
[15:07:03] <sumanah>	 kim_bruning: http://web.archive.org/web/20100107033049/http://www.thewavemag.com/pagegen.php?pagename=article&articleid=24031
[15:08:07] <kim_bruning>	 no sumanah in that list :-P
[15:08:43] <kim_bruning>	 of course, there's no actual science or maths behind the voight-kampf test. but there you go.
[15:08:49] <sumanah>	 kim_bruning: brion once said of me "her enthusiasm seems to be powered by a limitless micro-fusion reactor" so you're not alone in thinking I seem to have a nuclear football (massively misusing the phrase)
[15:11:02] <kim_bruning>	 amazingly, some mayors are actual replicants. Scary thought
[15:11:09] <kim_bruning>	 (either that, or rather unempathic humans)
[15:11:58] <kim_bruning>	 sumanah, I run on regular power, unfortunately. My batteries just run on FULL POWER all the time.
[15:12:08] <kim_bruning>	 (and then just run dry all at once)
[15:12:15] <kim_bruning>	 must be some newer lithium-ion type :-P
[15:12:33] <sumanah>	 heh
[15:12:52] <kim_bruning>	 actually, might not be entirely true. I was in an odd state during the last day at unconference. I needed to concentrate to even just be able to speak properly. ;-)
[15:16:02] <Krenair>	 Hmm
[15:16:07] <Krenair>	 Was I wrong to close https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7514 ?
[15:16:15] * kim_bruning  wonders about sumanah's wikimania stories, must have done some cool stuff :-)

[15:16:17] * kim_bruning  looks

[15:16:18] <Krenair>	 !ops
[15:16:35] <petan>	 ?
[15:16:39] <Krenair>	 look at the joins
[15:16:40] <petan>	 ah
[15:16:53] <petan>	 well, I am lacking a bit in this channel
[15:17:28] <jeremyb>	 lagging*
[15:17:32] <jeremyb>	 ?
[15:18:15] <sumanah>	 Krenair: I'd instead contact the code author and the reporter of the bug and point them to https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Writing_an_extension_for_deployment
[15:18:22] <sumanah>	 and ask them to start going through those steps
[15:18:49] <Krenair>	 I might say please reopen if you would like to follow the steps
[15:19:45] <kim_bruning>	 Krenair, don't
[15:19:48] <kim_bruning>	 Krenair, be nice
[15:19:49] <kim_bruning>	 :-)
[15:20:11] <kim_bruning>	 seriously, if we get travel.wikimedia.org up (looks likely)
[15:20:20] <Krenair>	 Don't what?
[15:20:21] <kim_bruning>	 and you pull that with them once... we'd be in SO much trouble
[15:20:49] <kim_bruning>	 Krenair, don't merely say "please reopen if you would like to follow the steps"
[15:20:57] <kim_bruning>	 Krenair, reopen it, and point them to the steps
[15:21:04] <kim_bruning>	 Krenair, and then walk them through it
[15:21:13] <kim_bruning>	 Krenair, at least, if you have the time
[15:21:17] <kim_bruning>	 Else just reopen
[15:21:18] <Krenair>	 Lol kim_bruning, I wouldn't close anything like that
[15:21:29] <Krenair>	 I can't walk someone through that process, I've never done it myself
[15:21:54] <kim_bruning>	 Alright, well, reopen, point to process. And if you have the time, try follow them through
[15:22:03] <kim_bruning>	 sumanah, who is available to walk people through that process?
[15:22:08] <Krenair>	 ^demon, was I wrong to close that bug?
[15:22:23] <^demon>	 No, lack of consensus on-wiki is a fine reason to close.
[15:22:40] <kim_bruning>	 <mutter>
[15:22:46] <^demon>	 I was just pointing out that "bug is old" or "nobody's reviewed it yet" aren't reasons, if they came up in the future.
[15:22:56] <kim_bruning>	 sumanah, that process is not really practical for volunteers
[15:23:00] <Krenair>	 Oh, okay. I should've made that clearer then :)
[15:23:35] <kim_bruning>	 howie fung is a SPOF , and definitely not in the normal community line
[15:23:41] <sumanah>	 "SPOF"?
[15:23:42] * kim_bruning  scratches head

[15:23:47] <kim_bruning>	 Single Point Of Failure
[15:23:53] <kim_bruning>	 for that matter, so are you
[15:24:14] <kim_bruning>	 (due respect to your highly secure nuclear power plant ;-)
[15:24:23] <sumanah>	 kim_bruning: "If Howie doesn't respond in about a week, or if the process stalls, ask Sumana Harihareswara, Engineering Community Manager, to poke him."
[15:24:25] <kim_bruning>	 (it's still just one nuclear-enhanced human ;-)
[15:24:32] <sumanah>	 so, there are at least 2 people involved there
[15:24:39] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Hashar; "Can you please add tests for the converter? You could reuse what has been done for Serbian which use..." [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/15690
[15:24:50] <kim_bruning>	 sumanah, right, but the path flows through one entity
[15:25:04] <kim_bruning>	 and the only option at entity failure is to poke it some more :-P
[15:25:26] <sumanah>	 kim_bruning: I'm not sure what the "entity" is here - the WMF?
[15:25:29] <kim_bruning>	 and that's without the fact that apparantly this entity has veto rights, outside the community running the request ;-)
[15:25:35] <sumanah>	 I can add more flowchartness
[15:25:48] <sumanah>	 "if Howie doesn't respond, email Brandon.  If Brandon doesn't respond, email Erik." etc
[15:26:06] <kim_bruning>	 sumanah, the entity here is the human being known as Howie Fung
[15:26:29] <kim_bruning>	 could we replace the single person with a role ?
[15:26:29] <kim_bruning>	 ;-)
[15:26:35] * kim_bruning  scratches head

[15:26:37] <sumanah>	 "Howie Fung, the director of product management"
[15:26:39] <kim_bruning>	 sorry if I sound all processy ;-)
[15:26:44] <kim_bruning>	 right
[15:26:45] <sumanah>	 the point is that product managers need to look at it
[15:26:54] <kim_bruning>	 right, which is broken by design
[15:27:12] <sumanah>	 ok, now it sounds like something you should take up with wikimedia-l or on the talk page
[15:27:27] <kim_bruning>	 pretty much what i'm starting to think
[15:27:37] <kim_bruning>	 I just started reading up on the process you linked to
[15:27:40] <kim_bruning>	 and I'm going 
[15:27:56] <kim_bruning>	 "ouw, this is all topsy turvy, full of SPOFs," etc ;-)
[15:28:39] <kim_bruning>	 if there's community consensus to deploy, and then people get directed to that page, that could be a bit of a problem
[15:28:39] <sumanah>	 because I think "if new functionality is going to go onto WMF sites then there should probably be a WMF UX discussion early on" and the WMF design/product management team agrees.  It's been working -- see https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Review_queue -- I keep stuff moving in the process about once a week
[15:29:31] <sumanah>	 kim_bruning: "This page documents instructions for writing a MediaWiki extension for deployment on Wikimedia wikis." it is not the shellbug page
[15:29:35] <kim_bruning>	 sumanah,  hmm, is there some way for there to be a volunteer ux committe or something like that?
[15:29:42] <kim_bruning>	 sumanah, I know what it is :-)
[15:29:52] * kim_bruning  scratches head

[15:30:09] <sumanah>	 yeah
[15:30:17] <kim_bruning>	 I'll tell you one thing, that there is a procedure at all is a massive improvement :-)
[15:30:23] <sumanah>	 Sure, understood
[15:30:29] <sumanah>	 kim_bruning: I think I misunderstood what you were saying
[15:30:30] <kim_bruning>	 Another thing, the fact that you kick it along is also a massive improvement :-)
[15:30:35] <sumanah>	 aw, thanks!
[15:30:53] <kim_bruning>	 I just think the procedure could be more... well... wiki ;-)
[15:30:56] <sumanah>	 kim_bruning: I'm sorry - I should have said, community members who have already gotten consensus should be pointed to https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requesting_wiki_configuration_changes which Reedy pushes along
[15:31:07] <kim_bruning>	 Ahhhh!
[15:31:14] * kim_bruning  kerlooks there too

[15:31:29] <sumanah>	 and of course it would be good to edit both those pages to point to each other
[15:31:38] <sumanah>	 because the mediawiki.org page is better for authors of extensions
[15:31:40] <kim_bruning>	 I'm just giving you my first impressions of what I'm reading ;-)
[15:31:42] <sumanah>	 sure
[15:31:59] <kim_bruning>	 (the dutch corporate-speak meaning of "trigger" :-P )
[15:32:06] <sumanah>	 ha! right
[15:32:11] <kim_bruning>	 (as opposed to the .us corporate-speak version)
[15:32:22] <sumanah>	 or .us social-justice speak.
[15:32:23] <kim_bruning>	 is there a specific term in .us corporatese?
[15:32:30] <sumanah>	 kim_bruning: so, I think it's good that Howie is named
[15:32:32] <kim_bruning>	 right, gottit
[15:32:48] <sumanah>	 because a specific person being named is an improvement over "talk to the design group somehow"
[15:32:54] <kim_bruning>	 right
[15:33:04] <sumanah>	 but I'd be open to "send an email to https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/design "
[15:33:09] <kim_bruning>	 better would be to name a wiki-page or mailbox that several people could look at
[15:33:12] <kim_bruning>	 as that makes it scalable
[15:33:42] <kim_bruning>	 (watchlist (+ email) is an awesome tool)
[15:34:29] <kim_bruning>	 especially since that way a certain nuclear-powered-process-facilitator gets to Look-In at all stages to make sure the process keeps running
[15:34:50] <kim_bruning>	 (I'm note entirely sure what happens when we switch to diesel or sandwich powered facilitators, however)
[15:34:53] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: John Erling Blad; "Shoot down the explisit bot flag, we're using implicit bot flags." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16740
[15:35:28] <kim_bruning>	 Anyway, that's my first reaction to reading that page. ;-)
[15:35:42] <sumanah>	 kim_bruning: ok, here's my suggestion: write up your concerns and thoughts and post them to the talk page at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Writing_an_extension_for_deployment and I'll bring them to the design team's attention
[15:35:47] <kim_bruning>	 once again, is there any kind of .us corporatese for that, or should I stick to english? ;-)
[15:36:17] <sumanah>	 I think "surface" and "align" might come into play :)
[15:36:31] <^demon>	 Ugh. I hate the word "surface"
[15:36:39] <kim_bruning>	 quick definitions?
[15:36:51] <kim_bruning>	 (and use case?)
[15:36:54] <^demon>	 "bring up" is the closest definition I can think of.
[15:37:02] <kim_bruning>	 ah right :-)
[15:37:03] <^demon>	 Like "We're going to surface the concerns"
[15:37:04] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "* Modified the uploadCampaign code to use the ORM classes now in core" [mediawiki/extensions/UploadWizard] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16741
[15:37:16] <kim_bruning>	 and "this surfaces certain potential issues" ;-)
[15:37:16] <^demon>	 It's still silly corporate mumbo-jumbo :)
[15:37:23] <^demon>	 Exactly.
[15:37:40] <gerrit-wm>	 Change abandoned: Jeroen De Dauw; "(no reason)" [mediawiki/extensions/UploadWizard] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16741
[15:38:14] <^demon>	 kim_bruning: For more of these annoying phrases, I suggest reading http://www.forbes.com/sites/groupthink/2012/01/26/the-most-annoying-pretentious-and-useless-business-jargon/
[15:38:17] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "* Modified the uploadCampaign code to use the ORM classes now in core" [mediawiki/extensions/UploadWizard] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/9864
[15:38:26] <kim_bruning>	  /me looks
[15:38:47] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Jeroen De Dauw; "Thanks for the comments :)" [mediawiki/extensions/UploadWizard] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/9864
[15:40:06] <kim_bruning>	 sumanah, in general, wmf processes SHOULD (RFC 2119) extend in line with community processes, to facilitate efficient communication
[15:40:16] <kim_bruning>	 how's that for crossover jargon ;-)
[15:40:27] <kim_bruning>	 O:-)
[15:40:56] <^demon>	 We're going to reach out and leverage the solutions available to us to produce a scalable and robust system. There's lots of moving parts, but that's the impact of using the bleeding edge. Hopefully there will be learnings as a result.
[15:41:07] <^demon>	 Ok, now please let me go throw up. That was painful.
[15:41:19] <sumanah>	 ^demon: actually that was completely fine to me
[15:41:19] <aude>	 :)
[15:41:32] <sumanah>	 ^demon: proof that I belong where I am, I guess
[15:41:38] <^demon>	 I gave it 110% :)
[15:41:44] * sumanah  laughs aloud

[15:42:18] <kim_bruning>	 scalability is actually important in wikipedia-land
[15:42:28] <kim_bruning>	 the actual term, not the bizspeak version ;-)
[15:42:46] <kim_bruning>	 since we're currently plateaued due to scalability issues :-P
[15:42:47] <^demon>	 Yeah, when you talk about *what* you're scaling and *why* it has to scale, sure :)
[15:43:07] <sumanah>	 I think "learnings" and "is concerning" rub me the wrong way, though
[15:43:18] <^demon>	 Learnings is not a word.
[15:43:18] <domas>	 heh
[15:43:19] <kim_bruning>	 learnings scares me
[15:43:24] <^demon>	 Despite what the black belts may tell us.
[15:43:29] <sumanah>	 "lessons learned" is ok though
[15:43:31] <sumanah>	 ok, lunch
[15:43:33] <^demon>	 Or whatever stupid colors those belts are.
[15:43:44] <kim_bruning>	 PDCA otoh should be holy writ 
[15:44:09] <^demon>	 domas: Do you get pinged when people talk about scaling? :p
[15:44:41] <kim_bruning>	 gah!
[15:44:52] <domas>	 wikipedia is bottlenecked at the aggregate amount of intelligence 
[15:45:06] <kim_bruning>	 ^demon, or the general case where lots of different errr moving parts <ducks> don't scale at the same rate :-P
[15:45:17] <kim_bruning>	 domas, I don't think so actually
[15:45:47] <kim_bruning>	 domas, I think the process pendulum has swung too far in the direction of pedia
[15:46:03] <kim_bruning>	 and needs to swing back to wiki
[15:46:28] <domas>	 I never cared about wiki
[15:46:28] <kim_bruning>	 if actual policy states that it is wiser to create pages fully formed in userspace
[15:46:29] <domas>	 just about pedia
[15:46:30] <domas>	 :)
[15:46:39] <kim_bruning>	 you know that we're kinda screwed
[15:46:50] <kim_bruning>	 domas, wiki is the tool, pedia is the result
[15:47:06] <kim_bruning>	 if the tool isn't used correctly, the result suffers too
[15:47:16] <kim_bruning>	 vide all the statistics and user retention issues, etc
[15:56:25] <freakolowsky>	 ok another git question ... going trough the workflow ... i've branch-ed .. fixed code .. commited .. pulled gerrit master ... rebased to master ... now when i'm trying to push to review it tells me i'm pushing more than one commit (mine + 2 more)
[15:57:56] <freakolowsky>	 how can i push only my change to review ... i'm guessing the other to came from the pull
[15:58:33] <domas>	 result is important
[16:00:17] <kim_bruning>	 domas, is that in reply to me or to freakolowsky ?
[16:00:27] <freakolowsky>	 i'm guessing you
[16:01:07] <kim_bruning>	 freakolowsky, I'm curious to hear the replies to you... btw, are you following a particular document?
[16:01:27] <freakolowsky>	 yeah Git/Workflow in mw.org
[16:01:31] <kim_bruning>	 domas, I want a pony, give it to me now, result is important, chop chop! ;-)
[16:01:39] <freakolowsky>	 lol
[16:02:12] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Jeroen De Dauw; [mediawiki/extensions/UploadWizard] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16137
[16:02:40] <kim_bruning>	 domas, there's a process involved here. (in the case of the pony, I'd probably have to pay you for your time, and you'd follow steps like reading adverts, responding to adverts, visiting people, and eventually signing a contract, renting a trailer, etc)
[16:02:58] <kim_bruning>	 domas, in the case of making a pedia, the process is provided by the wiki
[16:03:05] <kim_bruning>	 domas, no process, no result
[16:03:09] <freakolowsky>	 ^demon: got a moment to anwser my Q?
[16:03:17] <JeroenDeDauw>	 kim_bruning: I'm afraid the WMF infrastructure only supports unicorns
[16:03:55] <kim_bruning>	 JeroenDeDauw, awesome!
[16:04:12] <^demon>	 freakolowsky: Do `git remote update` or `git fetch --all`
[16:04:22] <^demon>	 It's a stupid bug in git-review that was supposed to be fixed.
[16:04:31] <aude>	 stupid stupid stupid
[16:04:57] <freakolowsky>	 "git remote update" prior to git review or just that
[16:04:58] <kim_bruning>	 demon/ freakolowsky   : don't forget to document that at http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Git/Workflow
[16:05:10] <^demon>	 freakolowsky: Prior to `git review`
[16:05:19] <^demon>	 kim_bruning: It is documented on [[Git/Tutorial]]
[16:05:24] <^demon>	 Dunno about the workflow page.
[16:05:33] <kim_bruning>	 aude, are you doing a plan 9 from outer space re-eneactment, or responding to demon? ;-)
[16:05:46] <kim_bruning>	 (or both?)
[16:05:54] <freakolowsky>	 ^demon: 10x ...
[16:06:28] <kim_bruning>	 make sure both have some measure of documentation on this until/unless you can fix! :-)
[16:06:29] <freakolowsky>	 is it just me or was life simpler on svn :S
[16:06:45] <kim_bruning>	 freakolowsky, yes and no
[16:06:51] <kim_bruning>	 I think git is awesome :-)
[16:07:03] <kim_bruning>	 perhaps because I haven't used it enough yet :-P
[16:07:07] <freakolowsky>	 i think so to ... until i have to use it :S
[16:07:13] <kim_bruning>	 :-P
[16:07:34] <freakolowsky>	 ^demon: still "You have more than one commit that you are about to submit"
[16:08:31] <^demon>	 Blargh. Well maybe you do?
[16:08:35] <chombium>	 i'm trying to authenticate user email address: I've set $wgSMTP and installed pear mail and smtp packages but I get Mailer returned: Invalid address spec. Unclosed bracket or quotes. I've inputed valid email address
[16:08:41] <freakolowsky>	 kim_bruning: other than direct push without any branching ... i haven't used it at all
[16:09:42] <freakolowsky>	 ^demon: those two changes came down when i did pull master & rebase master (http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Git/Workflow#Prepare_to_push_your_change_set_to_Gerrit)
[16:10:20] <freakolowsky>	 now i don't know if i can just switch to FUA-mode and just submit all changes?!
[16:12:24] <freakolowsky>	 yay hashar is back 
[16:12:31] <freakolowsky>	 guess hwat i want :D
[16:13:13] <hashar>	 git answers ? :D
[16:13:32] <freakolowsky>	 can you see the irclog or should i copy/paste
[16:15:26] <hashar>	 copy paste
[16:15:30] <hashar>	 just connected and got no bouncer
[16:15:56] <freakolowsky>	 was doing http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Git/Workflow#Prepare_to_push_your_change_set_to_Gerrit
[16:16:07] <freakolowsky>	 and i get "You have more than one commit that you are about to submit"
[16:16:16] <hashar>	 ohh
[16:16:25] <freakolowsky>	 tried fetch --all & remote update
[16:16:59] <hashar>	 can you paste on dpaste the output of  git log --oneline --decorate --graph ?
[16:17:15] <hashar>	 you probably have two commit on top of origin/master
[16:17:19] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: MarkTraceur; "My pleasure!" [mediawiki/extensions/UploadWizard] (master) C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/9864
[16:17:25] <hashar>	 the first was probably already submitted previously
[16:17:32] <hashar>	 and you made the second commit depending on that first commit
[16:17:49] <hashar>	 git-review does not know if the first commit is already in Gerrit so he just warn you
[16:17:58] <hashar>	 if you confirm, that will send both commits to gerrit
[16:19:29] <freakolowsky>	 http://dpaste.com/775789/
[16:21:30] <freakolowsky>	 HEAd is mine, but the two others below that are not
[16:22:00] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: MarkTraceur; "Thanks for the help, Timo!" [mediawiki/core] (master) C: 1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16066
[16:22:40] <jerry_>	 Is there a way to change the color of a table?
[16:23:04] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: John Erling Blad; "Strange bug at line 63 of ApiLinkTitles.php" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16744
[16:24:21] <jerry_>	 Is there a way to change the color of a table?
[16:24:30] <freakolowsky>	 hashar: any idea on how to solve this ... or do i just push all
[16:24:31] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Jeroen De Dauw; "Please mark it as do not submit then..." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 0 C: -2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16744
[16:24:35] <Danny_B|backup>	 jerry_: background?
[16:25:05] <jerry_>	 background and border
[16:25:13] <Danny_B|backup>	 jerry_: {| style="background-color: #99ccff;"
[16:25:34] <Danny_B|backup>	 border can be effectively done via global stylesheet
[16:25:40] <hashar>	 freakolowsky: back
[16:25:49] <hashar>	 freakolowsky: so line 4 is your current master
[16:25:54] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: John Erling Blad; "The interesting part is in the test file, which calls the Api twice, and in the module which fail to..." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: -1 C: -2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16744
[16:25:59] <freakolowsky>	 yes
[16:26:08] <hashar>	 freakolowsky: you have three commits on top. You can just send them all to gerrit with git-review and valid the error
[16:26:10] <hashar>	 freakolowsky: OR
[16:26:21] <hashar>	 freakolowsky: you could create three branches locally, cherry pick each commit in a different branch
[16:26:28] <hashar>	 freakolowsky: this way all 3 changes will be independant
[16:26:59] <hashar>	 freakolowsky: if you send the 3 commits as they are, they will depend on each other. So a previous commit is changed (new patchset) you will have to rebase the following commits (rebase). Which cause lot of troubles.
[16:27:08] <freakolowsky>	 the thing is ... the two commits under mine are not mine ... they just appeared
[16:27:15] <hashar>	 freakolowsky: ahhhh
[16:27:34] <hashar>	 freakolowsky: ahhh you might need to update your local master so
[16:27:36] <hashar>	 freakolowsky: git pull
[16:27:47] <hashar>	 freakolowsky: and to get your local hack to be rebased :  git pull --rebase
[16:27:57] <hashar>	 that will update your local master using the remote master
[16:28:04] <hashar>	 and then reapply your local changes on top of it
[16:28:29] <hashar>	 git log --online --graph --decorate master origin/master    might help
[16:28:36] <hashar>	 would list history of both local branch and the remote one
[16:29:19] <Lcawte>	 Was there previously a problem with deleting pages and the irc feed  - thats been fixed since the latest 1.19 release because I'm looking at an (older) checkout of 1.20alpha I have, and it seems to work, but using 1.19 I'm having a problem... just wondering if anyone has any knowledge of this
[16:29:50] <freakolowsky>	 reapply changes ?
[16:30:26] <freakolowsky>	 unrecognized arg --online :S
[16:30:56] <jerry_>	 Danny_B: What is global stylesheet?
[16:31:50] <freakolowsky>	 aaaagrrrh ... h8 git
[16:32:45] <hashar>	 oneline
[16:32:46] <hashar>	 sorry
[16:32:53] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: MarkTraceur; "All right, awesome. I no longer see a reason to prevent this patch moving forward. Also, gold star f..." [mediawiki/core] (master) C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/6143
[16:33:03] <Danny_B|backup>	 !css
[16:33:04] <wm-bot>	 To change styles for your wiki, go to one of the MediaWiki:xxx.css wiki page (NOT a file) and put your custom styles there (sysop/admin rights required). MediaWiki:Common.css is for all skins and should be used for content styles. MediaWiki:Vector.css is for the Vector skin (default), etc. For more information, see !skins and <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Skin_configuration>
[16:33:12] <hashar>	 freakolowsky: sorry I must go :/
[16:33:13] <Danny_B|backup>	 jerry_: ^^
[16:33:26] <hashar>	 freakolowsky: but some git guru is most probably floating around to help :-]
[16:34:00] <freakolowsky>	 floating yes, willing to help ... less possible
[16:34:03] <hashar>	 User['hashar']->grab( new Beer( option => any_brand ) );
[16:34:09] <hashar>	 sorry :/
[16:34:11] <freakolowsky>	 np
[16:34:34] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Freakolowsky; "* oracle DB schema update to current (changes relevant to 1.19 will be backported) * fixed an updater bug from 1.19 (will be backported)" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16745
[16:34:46] <Danny_B|backup>	 jerry_: sorry, i gtg to some meeting but there are other people here who would help you
[16:34:47] <freakolowsky>	 YES!
[16:36:48] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Subramanya Sastry; "First pass porting PHP's sanitizer to Parsoid" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16746
[16:37:02] <freakolowsky>	 and this concludes todays excursion into the twilight zone
[16:37:05] <freakolowsky>	 l8r
[16:48:01] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: MarkTraceur; "Some notes, though not on the current version. One of these is still pertinent, however." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/9979
[16:48:26] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: MarkTraceur; "See my note in patchset 8 about the strikethrough/disable behavior." [mediawiki/core] (master) C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/9979
[16:49:32] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: MarkTraceur; "Same response, see above comment on patchset 4 for more." [mediawiki/core] (master) C: 1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4549
[16:54:23] <AzaToth>	 are there any practial reason the merges are never fast-forward merges?
[16:54:49] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Nikerabbit; "Fixed error in result ranking in SolrTTMServer" [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16747
[16:55:51] <AzaToth>	 imo it would be sufficient to add a note to the merged nodes than to have to make a intermediate merge node
[17:00:55] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Siebrand; [mediawiki/extensions/UniversalLanguageSelector] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16728
[17:02:16] <Lcawte>	 Ugh, when is 1.20 planned for roughly?
[17:04:25] <werdna>	 what, the release release or the wmf release?
[17:05:44] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Aude; "add namespaces in the wikibase client" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16749
[17:06:11] <AzaToth>	 Ugh, when is phase4 planned for roughly?
[17:07:05] <Krenair>	 Anyone know what happened to Language::prettyTimestamp?
[17:07:07] * aude  is evil

[17:07:19] <Danny_B|backup>	 s/evil/angel
[17:07:21] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Werdna; "I'd be happy to do that, but aren't there locales where the days of the week are different?" [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/15746
[17:07:26] <aude>	 namespaces are evil
[17:07:37] <werdna>	 Krenair: it's being worked on
[17:07:48] <werdna>	 see ^^
[17:07:52] <werdna>	 https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/15746/
[17:07:58] <Lcawte>	 AzaToth: When there is a 4th big phase in the release cycle of a version... actually, phase 4 is party, which I guess is drinks one evening if you work in the SF office?
[17:08:12] <Krenair>	 I was just about to take a look at the Echo extension and was greeted by:
[17:08:14] * Lcawte  is guessing

[17:08:14] <AzaToth>	 I just grepped for phase3 in core, and a couple of strage stuff is present
[17:08:18] <Krenair>	 Fatal error: Call to undefined method Language::prettyTimestamp() in /var/www/MediaWiki/Git/extensions/Echo/special/SpecialNotifications.php on line 48
[17:08:29] <AzaToth>	 werdna: http://paste.debian.net/180760/
[17:08:30] <werdna>	 Krenair: git fetch https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/mediawiki/core refs/changes/46/15746/8 && git cherry-pick FETCH_HEAD
[17:08:44] <Krenair>	 So git review -d 15746? :P
[17:08:54] <AzaToth>	 includes/Init.php:                      return "phase3/$file";
[17:08:55] <AzaToth>	 wtf?
[17:08:58] <Krenair>	 Also Echo is using bad globals D: <
[17:09:08] <werdna>	 Krenair: like?
[17:09:19] <werdna>	 Krenair: you can also do that
[17:09:25] <marktraceur>	 Is there any Good(TM) way to rename a database table for an extension?
[17:09:26] <werdna>	 Krenair: though that does something else
[17:09:32] <Krenair>	 $wgLang in the context of a SpecialPage
[17:09:33] <AzaToth>	 index.php:      require ( 'phase3/includes/WebStart.php' ); ?
[17:09:36] <werdna>	 marktraceur: sure
[17:09:58] <werdna>	 marktraceur: you can add an update in getExtensionDatabaseUpdates
[17:10:05] <werdna>	 or whatever the hook is called these days
[17:10:17] <marktraceur>	 Hrm, sounds all right I guess
[17:10:46] <marktraceur>	 I suppose I'd....yeah, I thought I could get out of adding a column if I just renamed the table, but that's not true at all
[17:11:01] * marktraceur  stops avoiding database changes

[17:11:57] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Alex Monk; "Use wfMessage instead of deprecated wfMsg*" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16464
[17:12:52] <marktraceur>	 Krenair: Core had a lot more wfMsg* than UploadWizard, I guess :)
[17:13:04] <Krenair>	 hehe
[17:13:13] <Krenair>	  47 files changed, 243 insertions(+), 242 deletions(-)
[17:13:24] <werdna>	 Krenair: what's that one?
[17:13:44] <Krenair>	 ?
[17:14:03] <marktraceur>	 werdna: LoadExtensionSchemaUpdates is the new name, for future reference
[17:14:06] <werdna>	 47 files changed, 243 insertions(+), 242 deletions(-) <-- from what?
[17:14:18] <Krenair>	 https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16464
[17:14:22] * werdna  has to move upstairs

[17:16:06] <AzaToth>	 Lcawte: the current "version" of MW has been/was called phase3 since like 7-8 years now
[17:16:44] <AzaToth>	 wikibugs: are you dead?
[17:17:07] <AzaToth>	 who killed wikibugs?
[17:18:07] * AzaToth  glances towards ^demon

[17:18:22] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Siebrand; [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16747
[17:21:00] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Krinkle; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16066
[17:21:44] * marktraceur  is happy for the new mw.Uri change :)

[17:21:55] <marktraceur>	 Minor though it may be
[17:24:27] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Alex Monk; "Some code formatting, wfMsg and deglobalisation changes." [mediawiki/extensions/Echo] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16751
[17:25:06] <marktraceur>	 OK, relatively noobish SQL question: Should I use datetime? Is timestamp better? Is there some problem with both that I'm not seeing?
[17:26:30] <MaxSem>	 marktraceur, traditionally, MW uses varbinary(14) for timestamps
[17:26:43] <marktraceur>	 varbinary it shall be then
[17:26:56] <MaxSem>	 well, that depends on what you want
[17:27:03] <marktraceur>	 MaxSem: You're killing me here
[17:27:21] <marktraceur>	 I need a human-readable timestamp on the client side, but I can convert from a lot of formats
[17:27:31] <MaxSem>	 hehe, date/time is a creepy part of MW
[17:27:54] <marktraceur>	 My only concern is, what's the norm, what's likely to be understood, what's efficient
[17:28:57] <MaxSem>	 regarding TIMESTAMP, it's convenient for http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/timestamp-initialization.html
[17:29:38] <marktraceur>	 MaxSem: That is pretty cool, actually
[17:29:49] <marktraceur>	 But I can handle putting in the right values
[17:30:01] <MaxSem>	 there's one creepy function, wfTimestamp() - it converts between different formats of timestamps
[17:30:12] <marktraceur>	 Plus, TIMESTAMP is only technically valid for the next ~26 years
[17:30:15] <MaxSem>	 when you see it, you will shit bricks
[17:30:33] <marktraceur>	 I think I have seen it. I don't intend to mess with that.
[17:30:41] <AzaToth>	 marktraceur: will MW exists in 26 years?
[17:30:54] <marktraceur>	 Database -> touch the PHP backend -> convert with JavaScript Date object
[17:31:11] <marktraceur>	 AzaToth: I don't know, but I don't intend to contribute to its failure, now or then.
[17:31:17] <AzaToth>	 hehe
[17:31:31] <AzaToth>	 werdna: you found the stairs ツ
[17:32:17] <werdna>	 I did
[17:32:35] <AzaToth>	 werdna: as wikibugs are still borked, I filed a minor bug at https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=38714
[17:33:02] <werdna>	 Binary file tests/phpunit/data/media/test.tiff matches
[17:33:03] <werdna>	 lol
[17:33:09] <AzaToth>	 heh
[17:33:44] <AzaToth>	 (intel says Ryan_Lane is working on wikibugs atm)
[17:33:55] <Ryan_Lane>	 intel would be wrong
[17:34:05] <AzaToth>	 damn
[17:35:31] <AzaToth>	 Ryan_Lane: so you are not going to look into the issue?
[17:35:44] * AzaToth  blames jeremyb to get my hopes up

[17:36:35] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Yaron Koren; "Hi - not to drag this out too much longer, but why not make the descriptions a smaller font? I think..." [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16634
[17:37:43] <AzaToth>	 werdna: has SpecialVersion been updated to git/gerrit/gruffenfluff?
[17:37:51] <Platonides>	 marktraceur, there's a comment at maintenance/tables.sql explaining it
[17:37:55] <Reedy>	 AzaToth: yes
[17:37:59] <Platonides>	 "Historically TIMESTAMP fields were used, but abandoned
[17:37:59] <Platonides>	 -- in early 2002 after a lot of trouble with the fields
[17:37:59] <Platonides>	 -- auto-updating.
[17:38:03] <Reedy>	 has been for a while
[17:39:07] <AzaToth>	 Reedy: wouldn't it be logical to drop the svn fallback now from the code?
[17:39:17] <marktraceur>	 Platonides: Thanks
[17:39:22] <Reedy>	 Maybe, maybe not
[17:39:31] <Reedy>	 It's not hurting anything by it being there...
[17:39:35] <Ryan_Lane>	 AzaToth: I'm working on about a million things right now
[17:39:42] <Reedy>	 It's still helpful for people like Wikia still using svn
[17:39:54] <AzaToth>	 Ryan_Lane: ok
[17:41:01] <AzaToth>	 Reedy: I would say it's better to "help" them stop use svn
[17:41:13] <Reedy>	 I doubt that would make much a of a difference
[17:41:15] <Reedy>	 Sean_Colombo: ^^
[17:41:27] <matanya>	 Reedy, Ryan_Lane : does all browsers support mathjax?
[17:41:34] <Ryan_Lane>	 no clue
[17:41:38] <Reedy>	 You'd be best asking Brion
[17:41:39] * Ryan_Lane  isn't really a dev

[17:41:55] * Ryan_Lane  just plays one on the ops team

[17:41:59] <AzaToth>	 heh
[17:42:14] * ^demon  hands Ryan his dev/ops club t-shirt

[17:42:20] <matanya>	 lol
[17:42:21] <^demon>	 Now we have matching shirts :)
[17:42:47] <Ryan_Lane>	 ^demon: heh
[17:42:59] <Ryan_Lane>	 I'd not develop if I had the choice
[17:43:06] <matanya>	 ^demon: did you see my comment one of the bugs asking you a question?
[17:43:07] <AzaToth>	 Ryan_Lane: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DevOps
[17:43:17] <^demon>	 Ryan's ops who plays dev. And I'm a dev who plays at ops :)
[17:43:44] <AzaToth>	 " role of a DevOps professional has similarities to that of a Chief Engineer within the Toyota Production System"
[17:44:00] <AzaToth>	 Ryan_Lane: you are chief eng.
[17:44:04] <^demon>	 matanya: I've gotten about 20 bug e-mails today already, which bug?
[17:44:05] * matanya  holds the same position at work as Ryan_Lane 

[17:44:26] <matanya>	 ^demon: though one, can't remember. got about 50
[17:44:37] <AzaToth>	 ^demon: wikibugs are down atm fyi
[17:44:52] <matanya>	 since 8 hours
[17:44:59] <AzaToth>	 and no one without 1 million other things can fix it
[17:45:03] <AzaToth>	 to do*
[17:45:08] <^demon>	 That's unfortunate.
[17:45:46] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Daniel Kinzler; "SiteLink::getSiteIDs to get list of site ids." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16752
[17:45:48] <matanya>	 last seen at 11:54 IST
[17:46:53] <Roujo>	 Hello everyone =)
[17:47:55] <Roujo>	 I'm experiencing what seems to be a CSS issue. Is this the right place to try and get some help?
[17:48:06] <matanya>	 ah! found it: http://www.mathjax.org/resources/browser-compatibility/
[17:48:08] <Reedy>	 It's a good place to start at least
[17:48:56] <Roujo>	 Awesome. I'll try to be as descriptive as possible, then. =)
[17:50:19] <Lcawte>	 Would I be right in saying that to get the IRC delete/protect/etc notif fixes I'll have to wait for 1.20, or are they likely to be backported at some point?
[17:50:58] <Roujo>	 I have a three-wiki, shared tables and shared files setup.
[17:51:46] <Roujo>	 It took some time, but all three wikis are now operational. The users are shared, as are the extensions and files. It's going great.
[17:52:27] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Alex Monk; "Some code formatting, wfMsg and deglobalisation changes." [mediawiki/extensions/Echo] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16751
[17:53:08] <Roujo>	 So I tried to import a template from Wikipedia to my wikis, as I wanted to use Template:Ambox to add warnings Wikipedia-like messages such as "This page hasn't been translated yet.", "This page only has one source", etc.
[17:55:07] <Roujo>	 The very weird this is that although the Template has been imported in all three wikis, the box-style only works on one of them. On Wiki A, it shows up as it does on Wikipedia. On Wikis B and C, though, it's not centered, nor does it have a border. I'll go and get some screenshots to show you shortly.
[17:55:31] <Roujo>	 Checking the page source, the only notable difference I see is that this line is missing from wikis B and C:
[17:55:45] <Roujo>	 <link rel="stylesheet" href="http://jrouillard/w/internal/load.php?debug=false&amp;lang=en-ca&amp;modules=site&amp;only=styles&amp;skin=vector&amp;*" />
[17:56:10] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Mwjames; "Mm... but it is the standard size as it was before and since I'm not fond of having another discussi..." [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16634
[17:57:05] <Roujo>	 I have diff'd the LocalSettings files, and the only differences are paths (/w/internal, /w/french and /w/english) and databases (wiki_internal, wiki_french, wiki_english)
[17:57:51] <Roujo>	 Seeing that, I tried making wiki B (english) use the wiki_internal database, since the Internal Wiki is the only one that works correctly. Surprise: it works.
[17:58:41] <Roujo>	 So that's pretty much it. I was wondering if anyone here would have an idea of where to start looking, as I'm at a loss. =P
[18:00:21] <Platonides>	 Roujo, the styles are defined in one wiki MediaWiki:Common.css and not in the others?
[18:02:13] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Nischayn22; "Better conc handling" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16753
[18:02:41] <Roujo>	 Hmmm... I didn't know MediaWiki:Common.css existed. Just a sec, I'll check it out. Thank you!
[18:04:37] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Alex Monk; "Use wfMessage instead of deprecated wfMsg*" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16464
[18:05:53] <marktraceur>	 Hmmmm
[18:06:05] <marktraceur>	 Possibly another time question, hold
[18:07:00] <Roujo_>	 My connection dropped, sorry.
[18:07:07] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Aude; "With a lot of links, it becomes impossible to save a page, as my php memory limit (set at 128M) is e..." [mediawiki/core] (master) C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16610
[18:07:19] <Roujo>	 I tried it, and it works! Thanks, Platonides!
[18:07:39] <marktraceur>	 No, i18n question
[18:08:13] <Roujo>	 Oh god. Checking the page history, it turns out that *I* was the one who last edited the Common.css page. Two years ago. =P
[18:08:22] <Roujo>	 Anyway, thanks again!
[18:11:27] <jarry1250>	 MaxSem: Hey :) I was wondering, if I threw some untestable code onto Gerrit, would you be able to check it for the obvious things?
[18:11:45] <MaxSem>	 sure
[18:11:55] <MaxSem>	 "untestable" how though?
[18:12:37] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Daniel Kinzler; "fix logic bug in assertArrayEquals" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16754
[18:13:11] <Platonides>	 not listed on jenkins, probably
[18:15:53] <jarry1250>	 MaxSem: As in, I might not be able to break up the new code in a way that means all functions actually go somewhere. I'll try, though.
[18:16:58] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Daniel Kinzler; "dont apply negative caching to multi-value conditions" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16756
[18:17:51] <marktraceur>	 werdna: The word is you might have an easy way to use the i18n 'ago' 'hours' 'minutes' etc., is this true?
[18:18:25] <werdna>	 marktraceur: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/15746/
[18:19:53] <marktraceur>	 werdna: Noted, PHP, somewhat less useful, but possibly good way to do it....I'll keep it in mind
[18:20:08] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Oren; "A ok - I've added some some comments to the code" [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16747
[18:20:22] <werdna>	 marktraceur: if you want to port the algorithm to JS, be my guest :)
[18:20:27] <marktraceur>	 *nod*
[18:22:36] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Kaldari; "Making WikiLove wiki agnostic - no longer assumes it is on a Wikipedia." [mediawiki/extensions/WikiLove] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16708
[18:24:38] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Jeroen De Dauw; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16756
[18:27:26] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: SPQRobin; "Add Turoyo" [mediawiki/extensions/cldr] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16757
[18:28:42] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: SPQRobin; "I think we should not split a language up per script as long as there is no interest in using the ot..." [mediawiki/core] (master) C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16460
[18:30:36] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Krinkle; "(bug 38663) [Regression] WikiEditor "Table" dialog broken" [mediawiki/extensions/WikiEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16758
[18:39:31] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Trevor Parscal; [mediawiki/extensions/WikiEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16758
[18:42:43] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Trevor Parscal; "Code and comment cleanup in the ve module" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/13315
[18:44:19] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Siebrand; [mediawiki/extensions/cldr] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16757
[18:45:49] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Siebrand; "@robin Fair enough. Thanks for the CLDR update." [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16460
[18:45:49] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Siebrand; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16460
[18:45:54] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Jeroen De Dauw; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16752
[18:49:48] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Krinkle; "Update WikiEditor to latest master (Fix regression bug 38663)" [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.20wmf8) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16759
[18:50:55] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Krinkle; "Update WikiEditor to latest master (Fix regression bug 38663)" [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.20wmf8) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16759
[18:53:00] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Trevor Parscal; [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16680
[18:54:41] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Robmoen; "Bug 38657 - VisualEditor: User should be able to select text in the save dialog." [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16760
[18:58:22] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Reedy; [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.20wmf8) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16759
[19:01:50] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: SPQRobin; "Add language converter for Uzbek." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/15690
[19:15:46] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Kaldari; "Making WikiLove wiki agnostic - no longer assumes it is on a Wikipedia." [mediawiki/extensions/WikiLove] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16708
[19:16:17] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: SPQRobin; "Make separate functions for better code readability" [mediawiki/extensions/WikimediaIncubator] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/7990
[19:16:58] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Anomie; "The code itself looks ok. But the release notes need to clearly mention how drastically the enotif_*..." [mediawiki/core] (master) C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/7986
[19:18:59] <Joshibaer>	 #semantic-mediawiki
[19:20:17] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: SPQRobin; "Make separate functions for better code readability" [mediawiki/extensions/WikimediaIncubator] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/7990
[19:20:21] <IWorld>	 Reedy: where is the source code for gerrit-wm?
[19:20:30] <Reedy>	 Pass
[19:20:33] <Reedy>	 I think it came with gerrit
[19:20:48] <IWorld>	 noo
[19:21:08] <IWorld>	 I'm using getting and I can't find it
[19:21:18] <Joshibaer>	 ich habe hiermit ein Problem http://wiki.piratenpartei.de/ErzEngel/Dicker_Engel/Kalender
[19:21:18] <IWorld>	 s/getting/Gerrit
[19:21:41] <IWorld>	 Joshibaer: bitte in Englisch
[19:22:17] <Joshibaer>	 ich kann kein englisch
[19:22:44] <IWorld>	 Dann musst du in #wikipedia-de fragen
[19:22:55] <Reedy>	 They won't be likely to help
[19:23:03] <Joshibaer>	 ok
[19:23:03] <Reedy>	 We do have a number of german speaking developers though..
[19:23:20] <Reedy>	 Nein, nicht auf #wikipedia-de
[19:23:40] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Aaron Schulz; "Various thumb.php fixes." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16761
[19:23:41] <Joshibaer>	 das ist ein sehr spezielles problem
[19:24:13] <IWorld>	 Joshibaer: was ist das Problem?
[19:24:22] <Joshibaer>	 ich habe hiermit ein Problem http://wiki.piratenpartei.de/ErzEngel/Dicker_Engel/Kalender
[19:24:27] <Joshibaer>	 schaue hier
[19:24:28] <IWorld>	 Was spinnt da?
[19:24:39] <Reedy>	 !debug
[19:24:39] <wm-bot>	 For information on debugging (including viewing errors), see http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:How_to_debug . A list of related configuration variables is at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Configuration_settings#Debug.2Flogging
[19:24:42] <Reedy>	 !white
[19:24:42] <wm-bot>	 A blank page or HTTP 500 error usually indicates a fatal PHP error. For information on debugging (including viewing errors), see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:How_to_debug>.
[19:24:46] <Joshibaer>	 https://wiki.piratenpartei.de/Spezial:Browse/ErzEngel-2FDicker-20Engel und hier
[19:25:03] <Joshibaer>	 und das ist die vorlage
[19:25:06] <Joshibaer>	 http://wiki.piratenpartei.de/wiki//index.php?title=Vorlage:Termine_Dicker_Engel&action=submit
[19:25:56] <Joshibaer>	 http://wiki.piratenpartei.de/Vorlage:Termine_Dicker_Engel
[19:26:53] <Joshibaer>	 und ich mochte die datenbasis nicht ändern
[19:27:11] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Aaron Schulz; "[JobQueue] Job queue refactoring and generalizing." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/13194
[19:27:24] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: SPQRobin; "Hmm, I don't know why it failed, there are no errors." [mediawiki/core] (master) C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/15690
[19:27:36] <Joshibaer>	 also nichts einfaches
[19:28:09] <Krinkle>	 !rtad
[19:28:09] <wm-bot>	 Read The Awesome Manual
[19:29:45] <Joshibaer>	 iWorld und Problem gesehen?
[19:29:55] <IWorld>	 ja
[19:30:00] <IWorld>	 ist kompliziert
[19:30:29] <Joshibaer>	 ich weiss und verzweifel schon seit wochen darann
[19:33:11] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Yaron Koren; "Added i18n message, improved HTML layout of Special:CreateClass" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticForms] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16762
[19:34:11] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Yaron Koren; [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticForms] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16762
[19:34:32] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Krinkle; "Kranitor #2: Pass JSHint on resources/mediawiki/*" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16718
[19:38:23] <Joshibaer>	 iWorld und schon eine Idee
[19:40:35] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Krinkle; "Kranitor is a phrase we came up with in the visual editor ("krinkle janitor"). kranitor/001 is in ve..." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16718
[19:46:18] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Ori.livneh; "Update E3Experiments to master" [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.20wmf8) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16763
[19:46:19] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Catrope; "Clarification: "the goal" = jshint passes in HEAD. Krinkle wants to enable jshint in Jenkins and hav..." [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16718
[19:51:20] <AaronSchulz>	 brion: is it just me or is the Wiki::doJobs mt_rand() inequality backwards?
[19:51:35] <brion>	 lemme check
[19:51:49] <AaronSchulz>	 wait, nevermind
[19:52:16] <AaronSchulz>	 that's for when it "returns" :)
[19:52:25] <brion>	 yeah
[19:52:35] <brion>	 looks backwards, but it's doing the right thing
[19:53:05] <^demon>	 A comment might help :)
[19:53:21] <^demon>	 I remember when I added mt_rand() to CodeReview because it wasn't counting revisions properly. That was fun.
[19:53:33] <matanya>	 brion: is mathjax going to be default at some time?
[19:54:02] * AaronSchulz  should restore his old WLH subquery commit...

[19:54:19] <brion>	 matanya, hopefully at some point. we haven't had much time to dedicate to it yet
[19:54:37] <brion>	 but it's actively maintained and doesn't require server-side resources, which makes it nice for us :D
[19:54:58] <matanya>	 I have done many testing related to this in recent days, it solve many bugs we had
[19:55:53] <matanya>	 I see only few left. might be nice if you have some time to work on them with me.
[19:56:49] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Mdale; "Adds support for warning overlay on direct download links" [mediawiki/extensions/TimedMediaHandler] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16765
[19:57:04] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: AzaToth; "I'm not certain all ".errorbox" errors could conclude that the actual article is not visible. It cou..." [mediawiki/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5] (master) C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16510
[19:58:09] <AzaToth>	 professional...
[19:58:20] <AzaToth>	 we are all amatures brion_ 
[19:58:49] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Aaron Schulz; "[JobQueue] Job queue refactoring and generalizing." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/13194
[20:02:36] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Aaron Schulz; "Rebased." [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/13194
[20:06:39] * AzaToth  still wonder why gerrit is set to "always merge"?

[20:07:24] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Kaldari; [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.20wmf8) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16763
[20:07:32] <chubbynutter>	 !ops Fluffernutter is a fat cow who won't clean her vag, someone should hold her down and scrub that bitch clean so she stops stanking
[20:08:26] <AzaToth>	 brion: do you know why?
[20:12:48] <AzaToth>	 anyone else who knows?
[20:13:03] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Aaron Schulz; "[JobQueue] Job queue refactoring and generalizing." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/13194
[20:13:19] <AzaToth>	 or is it just that people are lousy rebasing?
[20:14:15] <Reedy>	 What?
[20:14:55] <AzaToth>	 Reedy: I'm trying to figure out why your gerrit is always creating merges, even though it could be fast forward'd
[20:15:09] <Reedy>	 Because it wants to?
[20:15:15] <AaronSchulz>	 ^demon: what happened to ConfirmAccount?
[20:15:17] <Reedy>	 I'm not sure it really matters
[20:15:26] <^demon>	 I moved it to Git, I thought.
[20:15:51] <^demon>	 https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/gitweb?p=mediawiki%2Fextensions%2FConfirmAccount.git;a=shortlog;h=refs%2Fheads%2Fmaster
[20:15:53] <Reedy>	 It's in my checkout
[20:17:36] <AzaToth>	 Reedy: gerrit has four different settings, ff only, ff is possible, merge only, and cherry pick
[20:17:42] <AzaToth>	 http://gerrit.googlecode.com/svn/documentation/2.1/project-setup.html
[20:17:55] * AaronSchulz  tries another pull/update

[20:18:08] <Reedy>	 Ask Chad what we're set on..
[20:18:38] <AzaToth>	 as I see there are a lots of single-commit-and-extra-merge I wonder how you've set it up and if it's needed for some workflow to have the extra merge nodes
[20:19:03] <AzaToth>	 Reedy: anyway, do you have the power to fix wikibugs bot?
[20:19:11] <AzaToth>	 it's a bit silent in the chan
[20:20:31] <Reedy>	 What's wrong with it?
[20:20:39] <AzaToth>	 it's dead
[20:20:40] <Reedy>	 If it's not making noise, it's presumably not getting email
[20:20:45] * Reedy  kicks wikibugs

[20:21:18] <AzaToth>	 Ryan_Lane had one million other things to do so he(?) hasn't time to fix it
[20:21:25] <Reedy>	 But no, I didn't
[20:21:41] <Reedy>	 Ask someone in #wikimedia-operations to cycle it
[20:21:47] <Reedy>	 *don't
[20:21:52] <AzaToth>	 ok
[20:24:02] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: GWicke; "Looks good! Left two inline comments, but merging as is." [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16746
[20:24:02] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: GWicke; [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16746
[20:25:44] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Mdale; "css adjustments for dialog ( light box / pop up ) player" [mediawiki/extensions/TimedMediaHandler] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16767
[20:27:20] * p858snake|l  pounces on domas

[20:27:34] <domas>	 nooo
[20:28:19] <p858snake|l>	 domas: do you know if there is a proper support email for facebook, this help center crap is well yeah... (I vol at a charity that wants to merge a page and place together)
[20:31:29] <wikibugs>	 test123
[20:31:45] <AzaToth>	 LeslieCarr: aye
[20:31:50] <AzaToth>	 <wikibugs> test123
[20:31:54] <AaronSchulz>	 If I recall, domas doesn't take kindly to FB questions in #mediawiki
[20:31:54] <wikibugs>	 test456
[20:31:55] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: GWicke; "Rename data-rt to data-psd-rt" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16581
[20:32:07] <domas>	 first, say that something is crap, then ask for something else
[20:32:14] <domas>	 *shrug*
[20:32:28] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: GWicke; "Fixed the comment text and merged." [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16581
[20:32:29] <LeslieCarr>	 domas: why doesn't anyone plant on my farmville ?
[20:32:32] <AzaToth>	 gwicke: what actually is foo-rt?
[20:32:50] <gwicke>	 round-trip data
[20:32:56] <AzaToth>	 ok
[20:33:04] <AzaToth>	 and psd?
[20:33:18] <domas>	 I can discuss specifics of mysql implementations though!
[20:33:30] <gwicke>	 this is information Parsoid adds to tags and then uses when serializing back to wikitext
[20:33:36] <gwicke>	 psd is short for Parsoid
[20:33:39] <AzaToth>	 ah
[20:33:41] <AaronSchulz>	 LeslieCarr: can I plant invasive mushrooms?
[20:33:55] <AaronSchulz>	 yay, submodule update done
[20:34:00] <AzaToth>	 gwicke: I was thinkit is was abbrevation of "pre save dsomething" ツ
[20:34:03] <gwicke>	 to reduce the risk of conflicts with user-specified data-* attributes
[20:34:08] <LeslieCarr>	 AaronSchulz: mushrooms would ruin the feng shui
[20:34:35] <Amgine>	 <wanders off in blissful ignorance of farmville, etc.>
[20:34:38] <gwicke>	 AzaToth: you are indoctrinated with PHP parser terms ;)
[20:34:42] <AzaToth>	 gwicke: couldn't it be smart to only use <meta> tags for that?
[20:34:50] <AzaToth>	 gwicke: hehe
[20:34:54] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Mdale; "Fixes support for start and end time embed params in media embed" [mediawiki/extensions/TimedMediaHandler] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16768
[20:34:57] <AzaToth>	 I hate PHP
[20:35:01] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Aaron Schulz; "Fixed DB type hint." [mediawiki/extensions/ConfirmAccount] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16769
[20:35:18] <gwicke>	 AzaToth: no, we want that information to stay with the elements- meta tags might end up elsewhere when the DOM is edited
[20:35:24] <AzaToth>	 ok
[20:35:49] <AzaToth>	 even <span>blabla<meta...></span>?
[20:35:50] <gwicke>	 we use them only when there is no element already
[20:35:54] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Aaron Schulz; [mediawiki/extensions/ConfirmAccount] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16769
[20:36:38] <p858snake|l>	 domas: well the latter part is directly related to the first part, help like "Ensure page names are similar" is well vague and unhelpful
[20:37:04] <gwicke>	 AzaToth: normally the info in data-psd-rt is about the element it is set on
[20:37:28] <AzaToth>	 ah
[20:38:12] <AzaToth>	 and they are used when there could be ambigiousities(?)?
[20:39:01] <RoanKattouw>	 ambiguities
[20:39:10] <gwicke>	 AzaToth: can you elaborate which ones you mean?
[20:39:58] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Trevor Parscal; "I think we should use data-parsoid instead, if you Google the term "parsoid" you will find that it's..." [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16581
[20:42:00] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Trevor Parscal; [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16760
[20:43:09] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Subramanya Sastry; "Minor: trace output tweak + code refactoring" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16770
[20:44:05] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Ori.livneh; "Update E3Experiments to master" [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.20wmf8) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16771
[20:44:32] <AzaToth>	 gwicke: when it's not certain to what wikicode a html should be converted to
[20:45:34] <gwicke>	 AzaToth: Parsoid uses the round-trip info to keep info about that- for example if something was in html or wiki syntax initially where both options exist
[20:47:16] <AzaToth>	 k
[20:47:23] <gwicke>	 it also detects changes to normalized / sanitized attributes that way (and uses the original unnormalized source if not modified), and re-adds attributes that were stripped form the DOM for security reasons
[20:47:43] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Ori.livneh; "Update E3Experiments to master / wmf7" [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.20wmf7) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16772
[20:48:43] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: GWicke; "data-parsoid sounds good to me as well. Subbu, would you be happy with that too?" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16581
[20:49:36] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Catrope; "Looks good, just needs comment fixes" [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16761
[20:50:02] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Kaldari; [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.20wmf7) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16772
[20:50:09] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Kaldari; [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.20wmf8) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16771
[20:50:11] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Catrope; [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/13315
[20:51:55] <Jasper_Deng>	 petan: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=37416
[20:52:26] <petan>	 Jasper_Deng I surely answered that
[20:52:52] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Subramanya Sastry; "I am happy with data-parsoid." [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16581
[20:52:53] <Jasper_Deng>	 petan: didn't see, sry
[20:53:12] <petan>	 thanks for helping me find a bug
[20:53:14] <Jasper_Deng>	 but are you really the only one who can fix it?
[20:53:20] <petan>	 :D
[20:53:21] * Jasper_Deng  does not take credit for that bug.

[20:53:30] <petan>	 I mean the PM bug
[20:53:40] <Ca11um>	 Is it possible to set a default font for the entire wiki?
[20:53:47] <Ca11um>	 I want to use a custom typewriter font
[20:53:49] <petan>	 I am definitely not the only one who can
[20:53:50] * Jasper_Deng  forgot about that bug

[20:53:58] <petan>	 everyone who has visual basic can do that
[20:54:05] <petan>	 apparently i don not
[20:54:14] <petan>	 so it's hard to fix
[20:54:24] <petan>	 I was working only on huggle 3 past months
[20:54:32] <Jasper_Deng>	 I might be able to fix it if it only involves regex
[20:54:34] <Jasper_Deng>	 changes
[20:55:03] <AzaToth>	 gwicke: I would recommend serialize it to a other format, to reduce all the &quot; schpam
[20:55:05] <petan>	 ok, just pm me your google email and i will give you commit access, or maybe use /notice that should work
[20:55:14] <petan>	 :)
[20:55:28] <petan>	 <3 this irc client
[20:55:30] <Jasper_Deng>	 no, I'm probably not trustable with commit access
[20:55:38] <AzaToth>	 bencode perhaps
[20:55:45] <petan>	 is that a joke? :P
[20:56:19] <Jasper_Deng>	 no, beyond modifying the regex I can do little.
[20:56:26] <petan>	 everyone who is trustable with ability to edit a wiki is trustworthy for me to have svn access
[20:56:38] <petan>	 anyway, that's up to you
[20:56:46] <petan>	 if you want, just submit a patch to bz
[20:57:10] * Jasper_Deng  goes to examine the source code

[20:57:42] <petan>	 problem is IMHO that there is nick separated by first colon, which is separator mediawiki uses
[20:57:56] <marktraceur>	 petan: C#? /me is skeptical
[20:57:56] <petan>	 IP v 6 uses it
[20:58:11] <petan>	 so we should split it by last colon
[20:58:28] <petan>	 marktraceur yes?
[20:58:30] <gwicke>	 AzaToth: yes, we have ideas for that- since it is private we are free to use any efficient serialization
[20:58:30] <petan>	 why
[20:58:34] <Reedy>	 I lik ec#
[20:58:43] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jarry1250; "Add all interface messages required for TranslateSvg" [mediawiki/extensions/TranslateSvg] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16773
[20:58:48] <gwicke>	 AzaToth: yaml could work, but we have not decided yet
[20:58:51] <petan>	 I am bored of people who say something suck and can't explain why
[20:59:07] <marktraceur>	 petan: Makes it a little tougher to install on a free system, last I checked there were patents/copyright/black magic in the way
[20:59:17] <Reedy>	 evil_steve: RTFM? ;)
[20:59:19] <marktraceur>	 (maybe things have changed?)
[20:59:21] <Reedy>	 Use $wgBlockCIDRLimit = array( 'IPv4' => 43, 'IPv6' => 128 ) to achieve the same functionality as $wgSysopRangeBans;
[20:59:21] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Aaron Schulz; "Various thumb.php fixes." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16761
[20:59:27] <petan>	 monodevelop is pretty easy to install and open source
[20:59:34] <AzaToth>	 petan: "I'm sceptical" != "It sucks!!!!!1111elevencos(0)"
[20:59:34] <petan>	 it's a c# IDE
[21:00:35] <marktraceur>	 AzaToth: !!!111one(10 / 9)
[21:00:37] <AzaToth>	 though SVN sucks!!!!!1111oneelevencos(0)
[21:00:48] <petan>	 why
[21:01:09] <marktraceur>	 petan: "Open Source" is solution to copyright, but patents are still a little....eh, complicated
[21:01:10] <Reedy>	 !wg SysopRangeBans
[21:01:10] <wm-bot>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgSysopRangeBans
[21:01:12] <AzaToth>	 svn prevents people from cooperating
[21:01:20] <petan>	 it's simple and doesn't need fast connectivity for it to work
[21:01:58] <petan>	 marktraceur what exactly these patents prevent a programmer from
[21:02:00] <AzaToth>	 petan: as long you are a strict linear developement
[21:02:02] <Reedy>	 evil_steve: the history also says $wgBlockCIDRLimit = array( 'IPv4' => 43, 'IPv6' => 128 )
[21:02:20] <gwicke>	 AzaToth: yeah, bencode would also be an option
[21:02:41] <petan>	 svn doesn't prevent people from cooperating...
[21:03:29] <AzaToth>	 tell that to the people who have had to work on a piece of code for weeks without commiting
[21:03:38] <marktraceur>	 petan: Possibly even using the system, but I'm not a lawyer. I haven't read much on this subject either. I'm speaking purely others' words.
[21:03:45] <petan>	 AzaToth why would you do that
[21:04:12] <petan>	 working on a code for weeks without single commit? o.o
[21:04:15] <AzaToth>	 petan: because merging in svn is a hell, and you can't commit locally
[21:04:27] <petan>	 if you are commiting after weeks, then it's hell
[21:04:46] <marktraceur>	 petan: My words are roughly == http://www.fsf.org/news/dont-depend-on-mono
[21:04:47] <AzaToth>	 that's  what will happen if you have many people using svn
[21:06:02] <petan>	 marktraceur "The danger is that Microsoft is probably planning to force all free C# implementations underground some day using software patents."
[21:06:08] <petan>	 probably...
[21:06:14] <petan>	 aha
[21:06:17] <marktraceur>	 petan: Perhaps more accurately "could be"
[21:06:23] <Reedy>	 !debug | evil_steve
[21:06:23] <wm-bot>	 evil_steve: For information on debugging (including viewing errors), see http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:How_to_debug . A list of related configuration variables is at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Configuration_settings#Debug.2Flogging
[21:06:28] <Reedy>	 !sqldebug | evil_steve
[21:06:38] <Reedy>	 !sqlerrors
[21:06:42] * Reedy  kicks wm-bot

[21:07:15] <Amgine>	 <blames brooke>
[21:07:52] <marktraceur>	 petan: I don't make a habit of walking on bridges held up by generally misanthropic people, even if they don't appear to be planning on tossing me off at that particular moment
[21:07:58] <Reedy>	 I'm sure there was a sql debug one before..
[21:08:29] <Amgine>	 !botbrains
[21:08:36] <Amgine>	 !botbrain
[21:08:36] <wm-bot>	 Hello, I'm wm-bot. The database for this channel is published at http://bots.wmflabs.org/~petrb/db/%23mediawiki.htm More about WM-Bot: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/wm-bot
[21:08:49] <marktraceur>	 !logsql | Reedy
[21:08:50] <wm-bot>	 Reedy: To log all SQL queries to a file, set $wgDebugDumpSql = true; and set $wgDebugLogFile to a filename
[21:08:54] <marktraceur>	 ?
[21:09:05] <Reedy>	 yeah
[21:09:17] <gerrit-wm>	 Change abandoned: Aude; "resubmitting based on comments" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16723
[21:09:57] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Aude; "mv clientPageArgs setting from repo to lib where it is used" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16775
[21:10:40] <Amgine>	 also under sqllog, for some #REDIRECT reason...
[21:11:45] <marktraceur>	 Why is !sqlite == MaxSem?
[21:12:07] <petan>	 !sqlerrors alias logsql
[21:12:07] <wm-bot>	 Created new alias for this key
[21:12:08] <petan>	 !sqlerrors
[21:12:13] <petan>	 eh
[21:12:22] <petan>	 !sqlerrors
[21:13:00] <petan>	 @search DumpSql = true
[21:13:00] <wm-bot>	 Results (Found 1): sqllog, 
[21:13:19] <MaxSem>	 "/nick sqlite"
[21:13:23] <MaxSem>	 "sqlite: Nickname is already in use."
[21:13:29] <petan>	 !sqlerrors unalias
[21:13:29] <wm-bot>	 Alias removed!
[21:13:36] <marktraceur>	 petan: Cannot alias to an alias?
[21:13:43] <petan>	 no
[21:14:02] <petan>	 too complicated :P
[21:14:09] <petan>	 there are some potential issues in that
[21:14:21] <marktraceur>	 !sqlerrors alias sqllog
[21:14:22] <wm-bot>	 You are not authorized to perform this, sorry
[21:14:32] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Aude; "mv clientPageArgs setting from repo to lib where it is used" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16775
[21:14:35] * marktraceur  profanitizes

[21:14:39] <Amgine>	 <had something to ask MaxSem...> Oh yes, mobile.css etc. pushed out yet?
[21:14:41] <petan>	 marktraceur: cloak needed
[21:14:43] <petan>	 :P
[21:14:45] <marktraceur>	 *nod*
[21:14:53] <petan>	 or...
[21:15:01] <MaxSem>	 Amgine, no, torn down at CR
[21:15:23] <petan>	 @trustadd .*@fsf/.*
[21:15:23] <wm-bot>	 Wrong number of parameters, go fix it - example @trustadd regex (admin|trusted)
[21:15:35] <petan>	 @trustadd .*@fsf/.* trusted
[21:15:35] <wm-bot>	 Successfuly added .*@fsf/.*
[21:15:58] <petan>	 marktraceur fixed
[21:16:12] <marktraceur>	 petan: That's staff of FSF plus members, which is just $120 membership fee, want to rethink that? :/
[21:16:17] <marktraceur>	 !sqlerrors alias sqllog
[21:16:17] <wm-bot>	 Created new alias for this key
[21:16:23] <marktraceur>	 !sqlerrors
[21:16:23] <wm-bot>	 To log all SQL queries to a file, set $wgDebugDumpSql = true; and set $wgDebugLogFile to a filename
[21:16:24] <Amgine>	 MaxSem: <very sad face>
[21:16:26] <petan>	 I hope fsf people aren't going to break our bot
[21:16:27] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Nemo bis; "Issue reported with 86a5f4f7 : https://translatewiki.net/wiki/Thread:Support/About_MediaWiki:Pagetri..." [mediawiki/extensions/PageTriage] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14438
[21:16:39] <AzaToth>	 petan: seems mono is ok as long you aint uses windows forms, asp.net or ado.net 
[21:17:02] <petan>	 AzaToth why no winforms
[21:17:03] <AzaToth>	 and if you believe microsoft will never ever sell the patentds
[21:17:33] <AzaToth>	 they are not part of the ecma standards and MCP
[21:17:47] <petan>	 yes, but they are part of mono
[21:17:50] <AzaToth>	 yes
[21:18:01] <AzaToth>	 but they are in legal mumble jumble
[21:18:10] <petan>	 + it's just a library for me, just as any other which is actually available on all platforms
[21:18:48] <AzaToth>	 doesn't matter when you are in court facing MS
[21:18:55] <AzaToth>	 not a valid defense
[21:19:14] <marktraceur>	 "Objection your honor, Microsoft is being a troll."
[21:19:48] <AzaToth>	 hehe
[21:19:51] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: J; "Extract video thumbnail on client during upload" [mediawiki/extensions/UploadWizard] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16777
[21:19:55] <AzaToth>	 http://www.mono-project.com/FAQ:_Licensing#Patents
[21:20:07] <AzaToth>	 "For people who need full compatibility with the Windows platform, Mono's strategy for dealing with any potential issues that might arise with ASP.NET, ADO.NET or Windows.Forms is: (1) work around the patent by using a different implementation technique that retains the API, but changes the mechanism; if that is not possible, we would (2) remove the pieces of code that were covered by those patents, and also (3) find prior art that would render the
[21:20:07] <AzaToth>	  patent useless. "
[21:23:13] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Catrope; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16761
[21:23:16] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: J; [mediawiki/extensions/TimedMediaHandler] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16767
[21:23:56] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: J; [mediawiki/extensions/TimedMediaHandler] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16768
[21:24:46] <AzaToth>	 imo, these gerrit notices are not informative
[21:24:59] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Mdale; "Adds support for warning overlay on direct download links" [mediawiki/extensions/TimedMediaHandler] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16765
[21:25:03] <Reedy>	 That's your opinion ;)
[21:25:51] <Amgine>	  /ignore gerrit-wm
[21:26:10] <AzaToth>	 Amgine, Reedy: I said "these", not "all"
[21:26:23] <Reedy>	 ;)
[21:26:23] <AzaToth>	 i.e. the "merged" messages
[21:26:40] <Amgine>	 <grins></tease><hands back Aza's goat>
[21:26:58] <Amgine>	 we only do this 'cuz we love youj.
[21:27:13] <AzaToth>	 :-P
[21:28:23] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Bsitu; "Thanks for the note!  It just happens that this tag has the same label as its description.  I will f..." [mediawiki/extensions/PageTriage] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14438
[21:28:48] <Krenair>	 what the fuck
[21:29:02] <Krenair>	 I just got emails dated 10/06/11 and 20/12/11
[21:29:08] <Krenair>	 From bugzilla
[21:29:12] <AzaToth>	 lol
[21:29:33] <Krenair>	 I didn't even have a bugzilla account until this year
[21:29:55] <Krenair>	 Oh okay, it was to wikibugs-l. But still...
[21:31:41] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: J; [mediawiki/extensions/TimedMediaHandler] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16765
[21:34:10] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) testing123 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38732 blocker; Spam: Spam; (azatoth)
[21:34:42] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Localize captcha images - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/5309  +comment (10Nemo_bis)
[21:34:43] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) CAPTCHA that feeds to Wikisource - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/32695  (10Nemo_bis)
[21:37:18] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: MarkTraceur; "I'd like to see a few things changed here, but nothing too huge :)" [mediawiki/extensions/UploadWizard] (master) C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16777
[21:37:38] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Aaron Schulz; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16754
[21:37:49] <wikibugs>	 14(INVALID) testing123 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38732  (10jeremyb)
[21:38:07] <wikibugs>	 03(VERIFIED) testing123 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38732  (10Roan Kattouw)
[21:40:34] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Implement configuration database aka configuration management aka no shell excuse - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/26992  +comment (10MZMcBride)
[21:42:59] <marktraceur>	 Kids, remember: CSS: Not even once.
[21:45:14] <Brooke>	 What?
[21:45:27] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Aaron Schulz; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16614
[21:45:40] <Krenair>	 He said: Kids, remember: CSS: Not even once.
[21:49:08] <Platonides>	 do not make a prototipical geocities page using CSS?
[21:49:50] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Aaron Schulz; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12221
[21:51:49] <MaxDudu>	 hello guys, im looking for an easy way to have a "news" system for a wiki we use in internal corporation, where someone without technical knowledge could enter them and have something that lists them automatically in date order
[21:52:30] <MaxDudu>	 rigth now im testing NewChannel and use RSS extension to display them in main page, im just annoyed by the fact I see html code from RSS items appear in the page
[21:52:42] <MaxDudu>	 if someone have better idea plz share :)
[21:52:47] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: J; "Extract video thumbnail on client during upload" [mediawiki/extensions/UploadWizard] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16777
[21:53:38] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) WLM app needs an about page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38075  +comment (10Jon)
[21:58:04] <Amgine>	 MaxDudu: have you looked at how Wikinews does this?
[21:58:45] <MaxDudu>	 nope, interesting, will look thx !
[21:58:52] <Amgine>	 yw
[21:59:09] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: MarkTraceur; "Looking a little better, some code style could still use a bit of work." [mediawiki/extensions/UploadWizard] (master) C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16777
[22:01:39] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: SPQRobin; "Add special page to alias file" [mediawiki/extensions/WikimediaIncubator] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16779
[22:03:29] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: MarkTraceur; "Move towards calling "pads" "sessions"" [mediawiki/extensions/EtherEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16780
[22:03:50] * marktraceur  piles more commits on top of unreviewed ones

[22:03:52] <marktraceur>	 Muahahaha
[22:06:34] <marktraceur>	 Hm, should have separated the threads
[22:08:41] <marktraceur>	 kim__: Honestly, it was more a lack of through-thinking than evil intent
[22:09:16] * marktraceur  sets about extracting disparate changes

[22:09:17] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Fatal error if to be merged users are blocked - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35239  +comment (10T. Gries)
[22:09:18] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Katie Horn; "I have a couple really tiny issues, but aside from that I think it looks good." [mediawiki/extensions/FundraiserLandingPage] (master); V: 0 C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/15579
[22:09:30] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Localize captcha images - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/5309  +comment (10Sumana Harihareswara)
[22:10:35] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Video files are broken on mobile - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38305  (10tiffanyb)
[22:12:22] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: MarkTraceur; "Add in a better session menu, and various other changes" [mediawiki/extensions/EtherEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16455
[22:12:32] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Kaldari; [mediawiki/extensions/WikiLove] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16708
[22:13:03] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Ori.livneh; "Prevent potential FOUC by blanking in-line" [mediawiki/extensions/E3Experiments] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16781
[22:13:36] <gwicke>	 hello kim__
[22:14:09] <gwicke>	 am an office dweller in SF now
[22:14:28] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Kaldari; [mediawiki/extensions/E3Experiments] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16781
[22:14:35] <gwicke>	 kim__: yep, joined the mothership
[22:14:57] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: MarkTraceur; "Add in a share link field" [mediawiki/extensions/EtherEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16151
[22:15:56] <gwicke>	 kim_bruning: I'm working on Parsoid
[22:16:03] <gwicke>	 which is used by the VE
[22:16:12] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Robmoen; "Fixed the following bugs with save dialog." [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16782
[22:16:34] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Ori.livneh; "Update E3Experiments to master (wmf8)" [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.20wmf8) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16783
[22:16:37] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) VisualEditor: Save dialog description field doesn't respond to 'Enter' or 'Return' keys - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38042  +comment (10Rob Moen)
[22:16:58] <gerrit-wm>	 Change abandoned: MarkTraceur; "I have squashed this, properly, into another commit." [mediawiki/extensions/EtherEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16682
[22:16:58] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) VisualEditor: 'Enter' key does not submit edit from save dialog - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38039  +comment (10Rob Moen)
[22:17:09] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) VisualEditor: Pressing 'Esc' in Save-dialog should exit saving, return to editor - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38621  +comment (10Rob Moen)
[22:17:59] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) VisualEditor: White box syndrome strikes back! - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38655  (10Rob Moen)
[22:18:14] <jarry1250>	 AaronSchulz: So yeah, basically my extension generates images that only need to be shown to the user once and then deleted - is there a good way to achieve this effect, or is it a case of just clearing out a directory every n hours?
[22:18:54] <jarry1250>	 (I figure you're a good person to ask but do point me to someone else if I'm wrong on that)
[22:19:26] <AaronSchulz>	 you'd need to scan the directory (or a DB listing) and nuke the old files (triggered by a cron job or something)
[22:20:06] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Kaldari; "updating E3Experiments to master" [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.20wmf7) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16784
[22:20:18] <Reedy>	 or generate and serve them on the fly (passthru type of thing_
[22:20:31] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Kaldari; [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.20wmf7) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16784
[22:20:42] <Reedy>	 jarry1250: surely it's still like thumbnails?
[22:20:47] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Kaldari; [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.20wmf8) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16783
[22:20:51] <Platonides>	 I think the delayed-delete case has appeared before
[22:20:54] <AaronSchulz>	 Reedy:  if it's truly one time
[22:21:01] <Reedy>	 just you need to make sure it generates newer ones on preview/save
[22:21:05] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: J; "Extract video thumbnail on client during upload" [mediawiki/extensions/UploadWizard] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16777
[22:21:06] <Platonides>	 it may be worth to add a not-until field to the jobs table
[22:21:19] <wikibugs>	 14(INVALID) Elke's mysterious irreproducible upload issue - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38457  +comment (10Jon)
[22:21:46] <AaronSchulz>	 I'm not sure if "show once" literally means like "generate, stream, delete" or having something available only briefly
[22:22:14] <jarry1250>	 Well, either really, five minute caching could be good performance wise but is hardly necessary
[22:24:52] <jarry1250>	 "generate, stream, delete" would be fine, I don't know which is the easier to implement
[22:27:05] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: MarkTraceur; "Sorry to be so nitpicky, but it's really helpful to have consistent code conventions :)" [mediawiki/extensions/UploadWizard] (master) C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16777
[22:27:39] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) random occurences of svn and phase3 in code - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38714  minor->normal (10Carl Fürstenberg)
[22:27:48] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: GWicke; "Rename data-rt to data-parsoid" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16581
[22:28:09] <AzaToth>	 just changed it back to normal, as I tested it only before
[22:29:44] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Reedy; "Method documentation etc" [mediawiki/extensions/PdfHandler] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16785
[22:35:35] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: GWicke; "This broke parserTests since the include paths are not correct any more. Will move Parsoid to its ow..." [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16586
[22:36:20] <Reedy>	 /dev/sda7               63G   4.0G    59G   7% /usr/local/apache
[22:38:22] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: MarkTraceur; "Add in a better session menu, and various other changes" [mediawiki/extensions/EtherEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16455
[22:39:48] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Update jQuery UI to 1.8.22 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38729  +comment (10Krinkle)
[22:41:45] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Added/improved tests, moved them into a NS, updated rel notes" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16786
[22:41:55] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Update jQuery UI to 1.8.22 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38729  +comment (10Krinkle)
[22:42:15] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Added test" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticResultFormats] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16787
[22:42:34] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Jeroen De Dauw; [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16786
[22:42:47] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Jeroen De Dauw; [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticResultFormats] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16787
[22:43:23] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: GWicke; "Fix parserTests include paths" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16788
[22:44:37] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: GWicke; [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16788
[22:44:47] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: MarkTraceur; "Move towards calling "pads" "sessions"" [mediawiki/extensions/EtherEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16780
[22:45:46] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Subramanya Sastry; "Continued port of the PHP sanitizer." [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16789
[22:45:47] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: MarkTraceur; "Move towards calling "pads" "sessions"" [mediawiki/extensions/EtherEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16780
[22:45:50] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: GWicke; [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16770
[22:45:55] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Merge jquery.tipsy with upstream - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38733 normal; MediaWiki: ResourceLoader; (Platonides)
[22:46:26] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: MarkTraceur; "My commits are a lot cleaner now, and the commit message is looking better. See other commits before..." [mediawiki/extensions/EtherEditor] (master); V: 0 C: 1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16780
[22:46:51] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: GWicke; [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16594
[22:47:42] <sumanah>	 marktraceur: you've seen https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Writing_an_extension_for_deployment ?
[22:48:37] <marktraceur>	 sumanah: Not as such, I'll look at it in ~1 hour
[22:48:55] <sumanah>	 just wanted you to see it for your EtherEditor work, marktraceur 
[22:48:56] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: GWicke; "Merging per consensus and since it is a trivial search & replace." [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16581
[22:48:56] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: GWicke; [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16581
[22:49:30] <wikibugs>	 03(WONTFIX) Merge jquery.tipsy with upstream - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38733  +comment (10Krinkle)
[22:49:35] <marktraceur>	 sumanah: Good call, though at first glance it looks like I'm on top of it for the most part
[22:49:36] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Merge jquery.tipsy with upstream - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38733  (10Krinkle)
[22:50:28] <sumanah>	 kim_bruning: "the new travelwiki" being the suggested travel project to be under the WMF umbrella, right?
[22:50:34] <sumanah>	 :)
[22:51:03] <sumanah>	 if there's no new *software*, it's just MediaWiki & gadgets/extensions that already exist, I don't think that https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Writing_an_extension_for_deployment will be much of a barrier?
[22:52:31] <sumanah>	 kim_bruning: hmmmm
[22:52:41] <sumanah>	 kim_bruning: are you on https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-ambassadors yet?
[22:52:51] <sumanah>	 that's where we'll be talking about a bunch of this stuff & improving processes
[22:54:00] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) [[|||||||||]|-|-]A|-/ in edit summary causes exception - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38566  +comment (10Krinkle)
[22:55:07] <sumanah>	 sure :)
[22:55:13] <sumanah>	 thanks to Nemo for fixing https://www.ohloh.net/p/mediawiki/enlistments
[22:56:05] <sumanah>	 kim_bruning: sounds like a good idea. Would you mind sending that idea to the list to ensure Guillaume sees it? He'd be the one who would probably arrange it
[22:57:21] <sumanah>	 hee!
[22:58:14] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Merge jquery.tipsy with upstream - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38733  +comment (10Platonides)
[22:58:59] <sumanah>	 thanks!
[22:59:18] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Robmoen; "Fixed the following bugs with save dialog." [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16782
[22:59:18] <sumanah>	 sure!
[23:00:35] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: SPQRobin; "Add message for approved status" [mediawiki/extensions/WikimediaIncubator] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16790
[23:05:45] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) VisualEditor: In add link dialog: the tick button is sometimes still gray even there's text in the box - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33191  +comment (10Rob Moen)
[23:09:01] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Implement configuration database aka configuration management aka no shell excuse - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/26992  +comment (10Chad H.)
[23:11:21] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) Respect EXIF rotation of images in app - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38344  +comment (10Jon)
[23:11:46] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) WLMMobile: can't type '9' or '(' on Android 4.0 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38277  +comment (10Jon)
[23:11:54] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) VisualEditor: Does not work in Opera - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36000  +comment (10Rob Moen)
[23:12:30] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: J; "Fix UploadWizard Firefogg support" [mediawiki/extensions/UploadWizard] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16791
[23:13:30] <sumanah>	 rmoen: yay, fixing VE in Opera :)
[23:14:04] <RoanKattouw>	 ?
[23:14:09] <RoanKattouw>	 Since when is rmoen fixing VE in Opera?
[23:14:11] <rmoen>	 sumanah: There are issues in Opera, though this was an old bug from before CE rewrite
[23:14:15] <sumanah>	 oh
[23:14:21] * RoanKattouw  stabs Opera for good measure

[23:14:27] <sumanah>	 RoanKattouw: I was seeing the summary: <wikibugs> (FIXED) VisualEditor: Does not work in Opera - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36000  +comment (Rob Moen)
[23:14:35] <RoanKattouw>	 Yeah just noticed sorry
[23:14:50] <rmoen>	 sumanah: in theory, >= Opera 12 will be supported
[23:15:02] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) UTF-8 characters in <math> don't work properly - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/798  (10mybugs.mail)
[23:16:52] <Danny_B|backup>	 poor opera, will loose bunch of users again...
[23:18:03] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: J; "Use avconv by default, disable 2-pass for 160p ogv" [mediawiki/extensions/TimedMediaHandler] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16792
[23:18:21] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Reedy; "* jQuery UI upgraded to 1.8.22" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16793
[23:19:41] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Reedy; "resources/jquery.ui/i18n/jquery.ui.datepicker-fr-CH.js is deleted as it was added in some previous r..." [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16793
[23:20:05] <Danny_B|backup>	 [[mw:User:Catrope/Why I hate Opera]] ;-)
[23:20:18] <RoanKattouw>	 Yup
[23:20:34] <RoanKattouw>	 Back in Jan 2010, Opera earned a special place in my heart
[23:20:36] <RoanKattouw>	 IE7 too
[23:20:59] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Robmoen; "Bug 36200 - VisualEditor: Sticky selection popup" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16794
[23:23:45] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) VisualEditor: Sticky selection popup - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36200  +comment (10Rob Moen)
[23:25:10] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: J; "Extract video thumbnail on client during upload" [mediawiki/extensions/UploadWizard] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16777
[23:25:21] <Reedy>	 59		-    display: none; /*sorry for IE5*/
[23:25:22] <Reedy>	 60		-    display/**/: block; /*sorry for IE5*/
[23:25:22] <Reedy>	 lol
[23:26:09] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Mdale; "looks good to me" [mediawiki/extensions/TimedMediaHandler] (master) C: 1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16792
[23:29:16] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: J; [mediawiki/extensions/TimedMediaHandler] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16792
[23:30:10] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Mobile site clips edges of large tables - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36936  +comment (10Jon)
[23:32:28] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) FileBackend.php has 1 GB limit, despite $wgMaxUploadSize - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38719  +comment (10Timothy O'Keefe)
[23:35:52] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Robmoen; "Bug 36200 - VisualEditor: Sticky selection popup" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16794
[23:40:52] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) VisualEditor: down arrow in drop-down menu in RTL interface overlaps with the text - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38545  +comment (10Rob Moen)
[23:51:25] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Kaldari; "Fixing bug 37606 - flip flyouts when necessary" [mediawiki/extensions/PageTriage] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16795
[23:52:30] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) Curation toolbar should expand to right when moved to left - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37606  +comment (10Ryan Kaldari)
[23:56:56] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Respect EXIF rotation of images in app - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38344  +comment (10Patrick Reilly)
[23:57:34] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Respect EXIF rotation of images in app - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38344  +comment (10Patrick Reilly)
[23:58:05] <sumanah>	 thanks for the Scribunto review, preilly 
[23:58:55] <sumanah>	 preilly: if you have time to review Ross's other contributions, I know he'd appreciate that a lot https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/dashboard/316
[23:59:10] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Kaldari; "Adding wikilove.html to cached templates." [mediawiki/extensions/PageTriage] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16796