[00:00:41] New patchset: Kaldari; "Switching priorities to text labels" [mediawiki/extensions/CentralNotice] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16871 [00:01:13] Change abandoned: Kaldari; "replaced with 16871" [mediawiki/extensions/CentralNotice] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16871 [00:01:24] Change restored: Kaldari; "oops" [mediawiki/extensions/CentralNotice] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16871 [00:02:04] Change abandoned: Kaldari; "replaced with 16871" [mediawiki/extensions/CentralNotice] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16862 [00:04:31] Change merged: J; [mediawiki/extensions/TimedMediaHandler] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16870 [00:04:53] New patchset: Kaldari; "Switching priorities to text labels and a bunch of style fixes" [mediawiki/extensions/CentralNotice] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16871 [00:09:41] New review: MarkTraceur; "Siebrand, that's why I did :)" [mediawiki/core] (master) C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16848 [00:12:54] 03(mod) Review and deploy Drafts extension to Wikimedia wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37992 -shell ; +comment (10Krinkle) [00:13:44] New patchset: Platonides; "Allow to generate the challenges from more than 2 wordlist entries." [mediawiki/extensions/ConfirmEdit] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16872 [00:13:44] New patchset: Platonides; "Support generation of random challenges instead of wordlist-based ones." [mediawiki/extensions/ConfirmEdit] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16873 [00:14:33] New patchset: Krinkle; "Register QUnit tests suites in MediaWiki to run from Special:JavaScriptTest" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16867 [00:15:32] Change merged: Catrope; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16864 [00:22:51] 03(mod) Title and description fields needed on Upload Info screen - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38285 +comment (10Derrick Coetzee) [00:30:59] Change merged: J; [mediawiki/extensions/TimedMediaHandler] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16861 [00:31:24] Change merged: J; [mediawiki/extensions/TimedMediaHandler] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16868 [00:35:49] 03(mod) Getting WLM app on translate wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38743 normal->15enhancement (10Sam Reed (reedy)) [00:45:09] 03(mod) Install ConfirmAccount extension on Wikimedia wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/13782 +comment (10Simon Walker) [00:54:07] 03(mod) Portal namespace on bs.wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37226 +comment (10Krenair) [01:03:11] 03(mod) Enable hook to block addition of trailing whitespace - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35600 +comment (10Chad H.) [01:08:43] New patchset: J; "Use 360p WebM for small version" [mediawiki/extensions/TimedMediaHandler] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16876 [01:24:43] New patchset: J; "add option to remove all encodes with one key" [mediawiki/extensions/TimedMediaHandler] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16877 [01:25:47] 03(NEW) Enable AFTv5 on ta.wikipedia.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38774 normal; Wikimedia: Extension setup; (srik.lak) [01:25:49] 03(mod) Tamil Wiki projects (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/32578 (10Srikanth Logic) [01:29:12] Change merged: J; [mediawiki/extensions/TimedMediaHandler] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16877 [01:29:25] Change merged: J; [mediawiki/extensions/TimedMediaHandler] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16876 [01:44:28] !emailconfirmed [01:44:28] The implicit "emailconfirmed" group has been removed from MediaWiki 1.13. To create it, use $wgAutopromote['emailconfirmed'] = APCOND_EMAILCONFIRMED; [01:44:50] New patchset: J; "fix syntax" [mediawiki/extensions/TimedMediaHandler] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16878 [01:45:10] Change merged: J; [mediawiki/extensions/TimedMediaHandler] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16878 [02:06:50] New patchset: Mdale; "Fixes remote timed text support for cross wiki embedding" [mediawiki/extensions/TimedMediaHandler] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16879 [02:28:50] Change abandoned: Nischayn22; "Inefficient nonetheless clean solution" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16018 [02:30:32] New patchset: Mdale; "Fixes remote timed text support for cross wiki embedding" [mediawiki/extensions/TimedMediaHandler] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16879 [02:34:24] 03(FIXED) Insert file-embed button in WikiEditor should also help with size, thumb, alignment and caption - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/24172 (10Krinkle) [02:59:39] New patchset: Mdale; "fixed commons default provider name, fixed local vs remote api query" [mediawiki/extensions/MwEmbedSupport] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16880 [03:00:44] Change merged: J; [mediawiki/extensions/TimedMediaHandler] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16879 [03:04:21] New patchset: Mdale; "fixed commons default provider name, fixed local vs remote api query" [mediawiki/extensions/MwEmbedSupport] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16880 [03:05:01] Change merged: J; [mediawiki/extensions/MwEmbedSupport] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16880 [03:25:43] New patchset: Mdale; "fixed timed text redirect page for external files" [mediawiki/extensions/TimedMediaHandler] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16881 [03:26:37] Change merged: J; [mediawiki/extensions/TimedMediaHandler] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16881 [03:38:56] New patchset: Mdale; "change api provider default name to wikimediacommons" [mediawiki/extensions/TimedMediaHandler] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16882 [03:53:18] New patchset: Mdale; "change api provider default name to wikimediacommons" [mediawiki/extensions/TimedMediaHandler] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16882 [03:53:47] Change merged: J; [mediawiki/extensions/TimedMediaHandler] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16882 [04:03:27] New patchset: KarenEddy; "Patch set 1 - modifications completed" [mediawiki/extensions/BiblioPlus] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16883 [04:17:49] New patchset: KarenEddy; "Patch set 1 - modifications completed removed unused code Change-Id: I3f752eef09e3bc93043ecc684ed9b0140f6f03e0" [mediawiki/extensions/BiblioPlus] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16883 [04:39:35] 03(mod) Some vowel combination in Sinhala Wijesekara need to be corrected - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/32029 +comment (10Junaid) [05:06:40] 03(mod) Allow callbacks also to make more complex replacements - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35457 +comment (10Amir E. Aharoni) [05:11:15] New patchset: Mwjames; "Add autonumbering to #subobjects" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16884 [05:47:35] Change abandoned: Ori.livneh; "I dropped the ball on this one -- sorry." [mediawiki/extensions/E3Experiments] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16105 [05:49:38] Change abandoned: Ori.livneh; "I merged this in f16b25fef3fa36c58b7e414fddf66edd69a06214 but couldn't get Gerrit to realize that." [mediawiki/extensions/E3Experiments] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16459 [06:49:01] New patchset: J; "Fix loading subtitles via ForeignDBViaLBRepo" [mediawiki/extensions/TimedMediaHandler] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16885 [06:56:07] Hello? [07:01:33] 03(mod) Change the name of the AbuseFilter extension - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/21895 +comment (10MZMcBride) [07:06:52] New patchset: Ori.livneh; "Remove special page and associated messages" [mediawiki/extensions/LastModified] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16886 [07:07:28] Change merged: Ori.livneh; [mediawiki/extensions/LastModified] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16886 [07:08:42] New patchset: Ori.livneh; "Fix typo: prefix query string with '?', not '&'" [mediawiki/extensions/LastModified] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16887 [07:09:01] Change merged: Ori.livneh; [mediawiki/extensions/LastModified] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16887 [08:17:04] New patchset: Nemo bis; "Make sure the wiki URL is recognized as such in password reminders, with <>." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16888 [08:20:08] 03(mod) Filenames in the HTML snapshot by extension dumpHTML - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/8147 +comment (10Daniel Shirley) [08:56:51] New patchset: Ori.livneh; "(bug 37897) Sanitize outputted HTML in LastModified" [mediawiki/extensions/LastModified] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12838 [08:57:18] Change merged: Ori.livneh; [mediawiki/extensions/LastModified] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12838 [09:33:58] 03(mod) AbuseFilter extensions do not support Unicode in regular expressions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36129 +comment (10DavidL) [10:12:49] New patchset: Amire80; "Fixing ee to produce the same as ii." [mediawiki/extensions/Narayam] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16889 [10:12:51] New patchset: Drecodeam; "Upload of Images from Photosets" [mediawiki/extensions/UploadWizard] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/15547 [10:16:15] New patchset: Amire80; "Fixing Gurmukhi transliteration - ee = ii" [mediawiki/extensions/Narayam] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16889 [10:28:32] 03(FIXED) Displaying in map tool - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38637 (10Raul Kern) [10:34:10] 03(mod) Local logo changing function active request - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38543 (10sotiale) [10:36:46] New patchset: Mwjames; "Fix recursiveTagParse/getMaxIncludeSize() issue that causes a fatal error on Special Pages" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticResultFormats] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16890 [10:41:32] New patchset: Mwjames; "Fix recursiveTagParse/getMaxIncludeSize() issue that causes a fatal error on Special Pages" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticResultFormats] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16890 [11:23:04] 03(mod) add config varible to hide incubator test wikipedia langlinks on wikipedia projects by default - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35960 +comment (10Kersti Nebelsiek) [11:42:32] 03(mod) add config varible to hide incubator test wikipedia langlinks on wikipedia projects by default - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35960 +comment (10merl) [11:43:58] 03(NEW) Enable subpage for Help namespace (aka Trợ giúp) on Vietnamese Wikibooks - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38775 normal; Wikimedia: Site configuration; (wikibooksvn) [11:47:40] 03(mod) Make it possible to pass description language in the UploadWizard - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37293 +comment (10Maarten Dammers) [11:47:40] 03(mod) UploadWizard: Wiki Loves Monuments contest issues (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37144 (10Maarten Dammers) [11:53:08] 03(mod) License texts missing when using campaigns in UploadWizard - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37449 +comment (10Maarten Dammers) [12:43:39] New patchset: Jarry1250; "Commit TranslateSvgUtils, a collection of helper functions." [mediawiki/extensions/TranslateSvg] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16891 [12:49:47] New patchset: Mwjames; "Minor gallery JS additions" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticResultFormats] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16892 [12:54:01] 03(mod) Add link to user page for anonymous user on contribsub message (subtitle of Special:Contributions) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38466 +comment (10Fomafix) [13:02:44] Mediawiki 1.18.3: I am trying to learn how to pad my words (css I guess) on my main page. http://foreclosurepedia.org/reo If you look at the middle the Titles like Who We are and such the words are right on the border. Is there somewhere I can read on how to do this? Thanx [13:08:12] Looking, fcpd [13:08:47] Amgine_: thank you [13:09:05] 03(mod) Portal namespace on bs.wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37226 +comment (10DzWiki) [13:09:17] it's a hodgepodge of templates; i tried to give credit in the coding where i borrowed from others [13:12:58] tsokay... the main page is not a single table, but may bits. You may wish, for simplicity, to work within a single table, and every section broken out into its own template. (This would allow you to control each cell's padding.) [13:14:06] is there a good place to begin reading on this as i have really only done cut and paste and i would like to learn to do things the right way --- thanks for taking time BTW! ;) [13:16:55] Unfortunately, not that I am aware of. This is a html design issue. You might do some googling for 'html table layout' or similar. [13:17:39] Did you copy the complete en.wikipedia common.css? [13:19:33] New patchset: Jarry1250; "Whitespace changes + take advantage of TranslateSvgUtils" [mediawiki/extensions/TranslateSvg] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16893 [13:20:37] I host a very small wiki for a small community of people, and some spamots have been creating users, putting text with ads in their userpages [13:21:00] chnops, do you have a captcha? [13:21:00] !spam chnops [13:21:01] For information about combating and handling spam in MediaWiki, see and . [13:21:07] one of these ads referenced a company (MoneyMutual), and their legal team is now sending my all sorts of threatening e-mails about me infringing their IP [13:21:29] Amgine_: thanks so much as i will now read up on this! [13:21:46] you're welcome, fcpd. [13:21:50] am I really liable for the stuff spambots put on my wiki? [13:22:18] chnops: we cannot give legal advice. You'll need to speak to your legal advisor about that. [13:22:58] but you might just delete everything related to MoneyMutual? [13:23:36] yeah I'm just wondering in general what happens in situations like this, I guess I need to talk to a lawyer [13:24:43] though I'm kind of broke, so I'm not going to and just remove the text and hope they'll leave me alone :( [13:24:50] and activate a captcha [13:28:45] Were I in your situation, first I would make it extremely difficult to spam the wiki, then I'd read what the lawyers are asking for (probably just deletion of references to MoneyMutual) and see if I can comply, then write a polite letter outlining what you see as the circumstances and your good-faith efforts to comply with their request. [13:37:29] Amgine_, yeah they request that I take down the offending text, and send them a confirmation [13:37:52] you could also provide them the IPs used by the spambots [13:38:00] ah yeah, that's a good one [13:38:11] you may like Special:Nuke [13:38:14] !nuke [13:38:14] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Nuke [13:38:53] ah thanks [13:39:12] does that also delete a page's edit history? I'm worried that they will not be okay with the offending text still being present there [13:39:22] that performs a deletion [13:39:25] not just a revert [13:39:33] If the page is deleted, there is no visible edit history. [13:39:51] but I think it can't be used if someone edited it after them [13:41:45] ah ok [13:42:15] New patchset: Jarry1250; "SVGMessageGroup: override isSourceLanguage(), add getOnWikiLanguages()" [mediawiki/extensions/TranslateSvg] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16894 [13:46:27] New patchset: Hoo man; "Fixed Special:BannerController for wikis with a ' in NS -1" [mediawiki/extensions/CentralNotice] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16895 [13:55:12] Are there any good examples of extensions that rely on other extensions? [14:01:57] I know some extensions optionally depend on Cite [14:02:16] although I wouldn't consider the way they detect Cite an example to follow [14:02:30] Yeah... it's detect+error I'm interested in. [14:02:52] Is a plain die() considered acceptable, for example. [14:03:40] Reedy, perhaps you'll know, how would an extension work out if I user has ticked the "Watch files I upload" box in their preferences? [14:04:15] Jarry $user->getOption( whatever ) [14:04:48] Ah, thanks Platonides, didn't realise it was so simply. Where is the list of whatevers stored? [14:04:57] (input names?) [14:05:01] (or something else?) [14:05:01] Jarry1250, the best way to support that would probably be to do so by adding an entry to Special:Version stating it is disabled because extension X is not installed [14:05:24] Ah, that's a great idea. [14:07:58] if you perform the detection at the begining of the main extension file [14:08:08] you could return from it, without doing the rest [14:18:43] New patchset: Hoo man; "Fixed Special:BannerController for wikis with a ' in NS -1" [mediawiki/extensions/CentralNotice] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16895 [14:20:42] I think both ways are done [14:21:00] If you've stated it in the documentation extension X needs to be installed... [14:25:17] Jarry1250: $wgDefaultUserOptions for starters.. [14:25:33] maybe use maintenance/eval.php and then var_dump( $wgDefaultUserOptions ); [14:26:57] For the extension dependacy stuff, I was thinking about that before [14:26:57] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=30234 [14:27:24] and did a sort of a brain dump of ideas to how we might do it on a mediawiki level, rather than extensions having to do it themselves [14:29:50] 03(NEW) Duplicate definition of File[/mnt/thumbs] - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38776 normal; Wikimedia Labs: deployment-prep (beta); (Platonides) [14:30:15] 03(NEW) Regenerate deployment-bastion - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38777 normal; Wikimedia Labs: deployment-prep (beta); (Platonides) [14:30:16] 03(mod) Duplicate definition of File[/mnt/thumbs] - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38776 (10Platonides) [14:39:37] New review: Markus Kroetzsch; "Something like this is useful, but I would suggest to use anonymous identifiers that are based on a ..." [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master); V: 0 C: -1; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16884 [14:47:47] 03(mod) Add link to user page for anonymous user on contribsub message (subtitle of Special:Contributions) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38466 +comment (10Nemo_bis) [14:53:39] New patchset: Mwjames; "Special:Ask add user preference" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16634 [14:55:32] 03(mod) Enable AFTv5 on ta.wikipedia.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38774 normal->15enhancement (10Sam Reed (reedy)) [14:56:28] 03(mod) Enable AFTv5 on ta.wikipedia.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38774 +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy)) [14:58:07] Reedy: Ah, thanks. I assume there might be a "watchupload" not listed there? [14:58:53] Oh, right, it's watchcreate [15:00:07] haha [15:00:44] New patchset: Mwjames; "Add JSON class for better public access" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16644 [15:00:50] New review: Siebrand; "Hmm. For some reason I overlooked that. Sorry." [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 1; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16848 [15:01:42] *watchcreations even [15:02:24] hello. I upgraded to 1.19.1 today and now I always get a server error 500 when I want to browse category. why could that be? [15:02:59] New review: Siebrand; "Please do not merge code with hard coded English UI strings." [mediawiki/extensions/TimedMediaHandler] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16868 [15:05:36] garply have you un update.php? [15:05:49] do you have access to error log? [15:06:08] yes, did update.php [15:06:16] !500 [15:06:16] the HTTP error code for an internal server error. It is rarely triggered by mediawiki itself and is more commonly a result of a faulty PHP setup or invalid or illegal options in htaccess. See Apache's error log for details. [15:06:20] I'll have a look at the error log [15:06:20] !debug [15:06:21] For information on debugging (including viewing errors), see http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:How_to_debug . A list of related configuration variables is at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Configuration_settings#Debug.2Flogging [15:06:51] tail -f /var/log/apache/error.log [15:06:53] or something like that [15:06:56] and then trigger the error again [15:08:35] New patchset: Eranroz; "AJAXify watchlist editor" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/9979 [15:10:57] New patchset: Eranroz; "AJAXify watchlist editor" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/9979 [15:12:59] Krusher, thanks, got it. The CategoryTree extension isn't working anymore and caused the error. [15:13:49] Glad to help [15:14:05] Update it to a newer version [15:14:49] Reedy, yes thx [15:45:23] Hi I have a question about Extension:CategoryTree. If I want to show only the subpage name of pages in a category, is it possible with that? Example: A category has a page like "Foo/Bar" if I want to show only the "Bar", is it possible anyway? Thank you. [15:51:43] 03(mod) PrefSwitch: Turning off the new features in all wikis fails - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/25029 +comment (10Nemo_bis) [15:54:53] 03(mod) Fallback languages for CentralNotice - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/17107 +i18n (10Nemo_bis) [15:56:16] Olympian: You could do that with JavaScript [15:56:44] Jarry1250, I don't know JS, if you could help, feel free. :-) [15:57:06] Hmmm, have you got an example page I can take a look at? [15:57:58] Jarry1250, sure. Here you go: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Fellowships/Project_Ideas/test [15:58:23] I want "Wikimedia Fellowships/Project Ideas/" thing excluded. [16:00:06] Olympian: Just that particular prefix or just generally anything before the last '/' ? [16:00:51] Also, if you want this to be visible to people other than you you might struggle a little because you'll need it added [16:00:56] Particular prefix, and the prefix is "Wikimedia Fellowships/Project Ideas/". [16:00:59] to MediaWiki:Common.js [16:01:18] I know. I have admini privileges to do that. [16:01:28] Cool :) And just on that page or on all pages? [16:01:48] or pages with a prefix? [16:02:01] Primarily that page, but if you could add an option to add more pages in future that would be great. [16:03:50] Olympian, well, the following should work for now: [16:03:54] $( 'body.page-Wikimedia_Fellowships_Project_Ideas_test').find( 'a.CategoryTreeLabel' ).each( function() { [16:03:56] var current = $( this ).text(); [16:03:57] $( this ).text( current.replace( 'Wikimedia Fellowships/Project Ideas/', '' ) ); [16:03:59] } ); [16:04:01] New review: Platonides; "The `which php || true` is a bit ugly, but otherwise, using a for is cleaner than repeating the same..." [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16831 [16:04:15] Testing on my JS first. :-) [16:05:04] Sure, I wouldn't trust me either :P [16:05:53] 03(mod) Duplicate definition of File[/mnt/thumbs] - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38776 +comment (10Platonides) [16:06:16] New patchset: Mwjames; "Add anonymous auto-numbering for subobjects that don't specify their identifier (bug 36634)" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16884 [16:08:04] Jarry1250, I added here: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Tanvir_Rahman/common.js [16:08:08] Seems not working. [16:09:43] I think you missed a } from the last line [16:09:47] Maybe? [16:10:05] Okay, lemme look. [16:10:39] Sure I did! [16:11:03] It is working! \o/ [16:11:09] Thanks a lot Jarry1250! [16:11:13] :-DD [16:11:20] No problem :) [16:11:58] Jarry1250, I will mention your username there. en.wp is the best place to contact you, right? [16:12:03] I see your are a BAG member. [16:12:09] Yup, en.wp is good [16:12:18] Thanks, I will do that. [16:12:57] Jarry1250, one more question, if I need to add more pages, where I need to do that? [16:14:10] In the first section you'd change 'body.foo_bar' to 'body.foo_bar, body.baz_bat', where you can get the foo_bar bits by looking at the page source [16:14:21] ...finding the body tag, and looking at its classes [16:14:38] Ah, thanks. I understand. :-) [16:15:28] Great :) [16:18:52] https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/14455/ <= you want to review this [16:21:05] nischayn22: Apologies if you've been busy, but might you know if you could put something together for Monday's edition? [16:27:40] 03(mod) Warning messages should handle redirects - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/26734 +comment (10Nemo_bis) [16:30:53] New patchset: Amire80; "Add tests for \~" [mediawiki/extensions/Narayam] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16896 [16:34:23] New patchset: Subramanya Sastry; "Sanitize html tags not on a whitelist." [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16847 [16:34:54] 14(DUP) Edits to signatures of comments **should be displayed** as any other edits (in recent changes, user contribs, history, etc) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/26862 +comment (10Nemo_bis) [16:34:54] 03(mod) Signature changes not logged - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36096 +comment (10Nemo_bis) [16:36:48] 03(mod) "Mark as read" should not lose list position - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/26891 summary (10Nemo_bis) [16:43:57] 03(mod) ?uselang= parameter value must be used consistently within a page and its dynamic constituents. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/29733 (10Nemo_bis) [16:47:11] New patchset: Subramanya Sastry; "Refactored and cleaned up Sanitizer + bug fix." [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16897 [16:48:52] 03(mod) ?uselang= parameter value must be used consistently within a page and its dynamic constituents. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/29733 +comment (10Platonides) [16:51:10] 03(WONTFIX) ?uselang= parameter value must be used consistently within a page and its dynamic constituents. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/29733 +comment (10Nemo_bis) [16:53:19] 03(WONTFIX) The qqx language cannot show names of messages used in JavaScripts - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31961 +comment (10Nemo_bis) [17:03:27] 03(mod) [[Special:PrefSwitch]] results in an error if monobook.js is present - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35393 (10Nemo_bis) [17:09:12] 03(FIXED) link not parsed correctly in Special:MergeAccount (german) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/30035 +comment (10Nemo_bis) [17:20:48] 14(DUP) Error messages should honor "userlang=" parameter - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38731 +comment (10Nemo_bis) [17:20:50] 03(mod) The qqx language cannot show names of messages used in JavaScripts - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31961 +comment (10Nemo_bis) [17:21:56] 03(NEW) Machine translation and Translation memory feature enchancement at Translatewiki.net - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38582 enhancement; MediaWiki extensions: Translate; (rodsan18) [17:21:57] 03(NEW) Translation memory and machine translation enhancement at Translatewiki.net - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38581 enhancement; MediaWiki extensions: Translate; (rodsan18) [17:21:59] 03(NEW) Enhancement of translation memory at translatewiki.net - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38583 enhancement; MediaWiki extensions: Translate; (rodsan18) [17:22:01] 03(mod) Translation memory and machine translation enhancement at Translatewiki.net - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38581 +comment (10Nemo_bis) [17:23:35] 14(DUP) Translation memory and machine translation enhancement at Translatewiki.net - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38581 +comment (10Nemo_bis) [17:23:35] 03(mod) Highlight non-matching parts of suggestions from translation memory - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38681 +comment (10Nemo_bis) [17:34:31] 03(mod) Interface messages needing rewording or documentation and other issues with existing messages (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38638 (10Nemo_bis) [17:34:33] 03(mod) Log entries use bad grammar - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/15259 (10Nemo_bis) [17:34:34] 03(mod) bewildering bold message on [[Special:Preferences]] of SUL accounts - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/16690 (10Nemo_bis) [17:34:34] 03(mod) Insert message into warning box - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/29741 (10Nemo_bis) [17:34:37] 03(mod) link not parsed correctly in Special:MergeAccount (german) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/30035 (10Nemo_bis) [17:34:38] 03(mod) BookManager shoun't use coll-collections and coll-community_book_prefix directly - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/30995 (10Nemo_bis) [17:34:39] 03(mod) the message articlefeedbackv5-disable-flyover-help-location is poorly placed and not needed anyway - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35288 (10Nemo_bis) [17:34:39] 03(mod) centralauth-account-exists-reset should gives link to homewiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37219 (10Nemo_bis) [17:34:40] 03(mod) Grammar problems with UI messages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37670 (10Nemo_bis) [17:34:41] 03(mod) Button says "cancel" instead of "OK" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37718 (10Nemo_bis) [17:34:41] 03(mod) Incorrect license cited for Wikinews - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38261 (10Nemo_bis) [17:34:55] 03(mod) System messages (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/18521 (10Nemo_bis) [17:34:55] 03(mod) Warning messages should handle redirects - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/26734 (10Nemo_bis) [17:35:37] 03(mod) Interface messages needing rewording or documentation and other issues with existing messages (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38638 (10Nemo_bis) [17:39:42] 03(mod) Cite error uses lego messages breaking localisation and customisation, should be deprecated - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/28843 summary (10Nemo_bis) [17:39:44] 03(mod) Interface messages needing rewording or documentation and other issues with existing messages (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38638 (10Nemo_bis) [17:40:44] 03(mod) Provide a way to easily add external links to messages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31032 (10Nemo_bis) [17:40:45] 03(mod) System messages (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/18521 (10Nemo_bis) [17:42:18] New review: Nikerabbit; "Why do you often submit new patchset instead of amending the existing one?" [mediawiki/extensions/CentralNotice] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16862 [17:46:25] New review: Nikerabbit; "(<>) feels much t?rta p? t?rta. Isn't just <> enough?" [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16888 [17:46:56] New patchset: Aaron Schulz; "[FileBackend] Skip over some illegal paths and output the error." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16898 [17:47:49] New review: Nikerabbit; "PHP changes were dropped in PS2??" [mediawiki/extensions/LastModified] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12838 [17:48:08] 03(mod) Add support for PLURAL, GENDER and GRAMMAR in a javascript message parser - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/20962 (10Nemo_bis) [17:48:09] 03(mod) GENDER (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/30443 (10Nemo_bis) [17:48:11] 03(mod) Some messages of advertising functions need GENDER support - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31443 (10Nemo_bis) [17:48:12] 03(mod) GENDER (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/30443 (10Nemo_bis) [17:48:14] 03(mod) Implement functionality to display name of "User" namespace according to GENDER defined on preferences - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/26927 (10Nemo_bis) [17:48:15] 03(mod) GENDER (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/30443 (10Nemo_bis) [17:48:16] 03(mod) MetaVidWiki: Add GENDER support. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/19385 (10Nemo_bis) [17:48:18] 03(mod) GENDER (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/30443 (10Nemo_bis) [17:48:18] 03(mod) GenderCache does not cached gender for non-existing users - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/30972 (10Nemo_bis) [17:48:21] 03(mod) GENDER (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/30443 (10Nemo_bis) [17:48:22] 03(mod) GENDER magic word doesn't work in Serbian - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35809 (10Nemo_bis) [17:48:23] 03(mod) GENDER (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/30443 (10Nemo_bis) [17:48:23] 03(mod) Improve the wording of gender selection option - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31816 (10Nemo_bis) [17:48:24] 03(mod) GENDER (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/30443 (10Nemo_bis) [17:48:26] 03(mod) in languages where the "User:" space has more than one gender flavor, autocomplete suggests pages from user space even before user types ":" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31697 (10Nemo_bis) [17:48:27] 03(mod) GENDER (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/30443 (10Nemo_bis) [17:48:28] 03(mod) MediaWiki:Useractivity-award should support GENDER - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/25337 (10Nemo_bis) [17:48:28] 03(mod) GENDER (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/30443 (10Nemo_bis) [17:48:30] 03(mod) Take the reader gender when the user is missing in the magic word GENDER - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/17397 (10Nemo_bis) [17:48:31] 03(mod) GENDER (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/30443 (10Nemo_bis) [17:48:33] 03(mod) Support PLURAL, GENDER and GRAMMAR in JavaScript (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/30731 (10Nemo_bis) [17:48:35] 03(mod) GENDER (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/30443 (10Nemo_bis) [17:48:36] 03(mod) [[MediaWiki:Emailuser]] needs GENDER - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/32237 (10Nemo_bis) [17:48:36] 03(mod) GENDER (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/30443 (10Nemo_bis) [17:48:37] 03(mod) Fix gender in user namespaces for Portuguese wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31986 (10Nemo_bis) [17:48:38] 03(mod) GENDER (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/30443 (10Nemo_bis) [17:48:39] 03(mod) MediaWiki:mwe-upwiz-source-ownwork-assert-any-license needs working GENDER suport - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/28525 (10Nemo_bis) [17:48:40] 03(mod) GENDER (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/30443 (10Nemo_bis) [17:48:41] 03(mod) Custom templates with Babel don't have easy access to gender - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31094 (10Nemo_bis) [17:48:41] 03(mod) GENDER (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/30443 (10Nemo_bis) [17:52:37] New review: Nemo bis; "Niklas: :D" [mediawiki/core] (master) C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16888 [17:53:37] spammer.... [17:54:19] ping Nikerabbit [17:55:36] Change merged: Nikerabbit; [mediawiki/extensions/CentralNotice] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16895 [18:03:06] New review: Nikerabbit; "Approving this to get the ball rolling. Remaining problems should be minor and can be fixed in subse..." [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (translatesvg); V: 1 C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12833 [18:03:06] Change merged: Nikerabbit; [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (translatesvg) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12833 [18:07:26] New review: Jarry1250; "Responded to inlines, will generate new patchset." [mediawiki/extensions/TranslateSvg] (master); V: 0 C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16893 [18:08:30] 03(NEW) New Pages Feed - History section links - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38778 normal; MediaWiki extensions: PageTriage; (fflorin) [18:08:37] 03(mod) New Pages Feed - History section links - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38778 (10Fabrice Florin) [18:12:19] New patchset: Jarry1250; "Whitespace changes + take advantage of TranslateSvgUtils" [mediawiki/extensions/TranslateSvg] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16893 [18:12:55] 03(NEW) Curation Bar - Hide WikiLove icon if WikiLove is not loaded - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38779 normal; MediaWiki extensions: PageTriage; (fflorin) [18:13:31] 03(mod) Curation Bar - Hide WikiLove icon if WikiLove is not loaded - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38779 (10Fabrice Florin) [18:15:30] 03(mod) Add a button to request a new fancy captcha (code) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/14230 +easy (10Platonides) [18:17:43] 03(NEW) http://unused is being passed to WebRequest - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38780 normal; MediaWiki extensions: MobileFrontend; (sam) [18:27:09] New patchset: Jarry1250; "Add afterRegisterFeatures hook plus documentation fixes." [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (translatesvg) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14925 [18:30:38] 03(FIXED) Display a more informative message on [[Special:Gadgets]] if [[MediaWiki:Gadgets-definition]] is still empty - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35259 +comment (10Krinkle) [18:30:52] New patchset: Mwjames; "Add anonymous auto-numbering for subobjects that don't specify their identifier (bug 36634)" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16884 [18:40:06] New review: Mwjames; "OK, I don't really have time to fix this ... so I abandon it and I'll patch it locally" [mediawiki/extensions/SphinxSearch] (master) C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/15859 [18:40:49] Change abandoned: Mwjames; "Don't have time to fix this, if someone else has a better solution please go ahead" [mediawiki/extensions/SphinxSearch] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/15859 [18:49:29] 03(mod) http://unused is being passed to parse_url - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38780 summary (10Sam Reed (reedy)) [18:50:50] New patchset: Reedy; "Suppress warnings around parse_url call" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16899 [18:53:36] 03(mod) add config varible to hide incubator test wikipedia langlinks on wikipedia projects by default - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35960 (10jeblad) [18:56:37] 03(FIXED) http://unused is being passed to parse_url - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38780 +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy)) [19:03:27] Jarry1250: Hey, tried to ping you but you were offline here. I was a bit busy; I did write some stuff but didn't think it was good enough to send you but, I will still try to send tomorrow (no promises though) [19:03:52] nischayn22: kk, no worries, whatever you can manage :) [19:04:26] Jarry1250: btw, are you going to publish it as I send you or will there be modifications to the text?? [19:04:35] I am not much of a writer :P [19:05:10] I usually give them a fairly thorough edit but try to give authors the last work [19:05:12] *word [19:05:32] Ok, great [19:19:27] 03(mod) add config varible to hide incubator test wikipedia langlinks on wikipedia projects by default - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35960 (10jeblad) [19:23:00] New patchset: Krinkle; "Kranitor #3: jQuerlyfornication ft. The Cascaders" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16900 [19:37:10] hi there [19:37:50] a short question, someone can tell me what wrong here? http://pir.at/cj [19:40:44] 03(mod) Warning messages should handle redirects - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/26734 +comment (10Strainu) [19:41:16] unable to open image `/tmp/magick-XX0M4PIW': No such file or directory [19:41:25] Doesn't like your tmp dir (for one) [19:45:33] New patchset: Drecodeam; "added Flickr upload buttons and input URL container" [mediawiki/extensions/UploadWizard] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12269 [19:46:36] New review: Drecodeam; "Completed the changes suggested by Ryan and Mark." [mediawiki/extensions/UploadWizard] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12269 [19:50:47] New patchset: Micha? ?azowik; "(bug 38625) Added count parameter to message" [mediawiki/extensions/Contest] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16901 [19:52:01] New patchset: Jarry1250; "Add TranslateBeforeAddModules hook plus documentation." [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (translatesvg) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/15450 [19:52:27] Reedy: ^ should merge now [19:55:04] 03(mod) Add count parameter to MediaWiki:Contest-welcome-active-contests - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38625 +comment (10Michał Łazowik) [19:56:35] 03(FIXED) Add support for PLURAL, GENDER and GRAMMAR in a javascript message parser - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/20962 +comment (10Krinkle) [19:57:34] Change merged: Reedy; [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (translatesvg) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/15450 [19:58:15] New patchset: Jarry1250; "Add TranslateGetOptions hook." [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (translatesvg) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14926 [19:58:29] Reedy: Thanks. [19:59:58] Reedy: i don't get it. /tmp is writeable for me and the httpd user. can i define another tmp dir somewhere? [20:01:42] I know some versions of convert (ImageMagick) are just borked [20:02:06] I think there's a tmp variable? [20:02:15] !dfeaultsettings [20:02:19] !defaultsettings [20:02:19] http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/includes/DefaultSettings.php?view=markup [20:02:26] fuck yes, svn [20:02:37] $wgTmpDirectory = false; [20:02:46] Will default to "{$wgUploadDirectory}/tmp" in Setup.php [20:03:11] Does ImageMagick use the file system's /tmp or MediaWiki's? [20:03:23] not sure. how do i find out? [20:03:35] If you shell out, it won't [20:03:37] ragnar76: I haven't really been following your problem. You're having trouble with ImageMagick? [20:03:39] For the php module, it might [20:03:47] Reedy: It won't what? [20:03:53] New patchset: Krinkle; "Kranitor #3: jQuerlyfornication ft. The Cascaders" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16900 [20:03:55] use the mw temp dir [20:04:02] Brooke: yes, i have [20:04:02] It could shell out and still use that dir. [20:04:08] But if you say it doesn't, I'll believe you. [20:04:23] > var_dump( wfTempDir() ); [20:04:23] string(4) "/tmp" [20:04:25] Brooke: http://pir.at/cj [20:04:26] ragnar76: Have you tried running a convert command from the command lien? [20:04:31] New patchset: Jarry1250; "Add new hook, "TranslateGetBoxes" with documentation" [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (translatesvg) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12605 [20:04:32] Reedy: Hmm, gay. [20:04:39] Butt-pirate. [20:04:41] Brooke: not yet. hang on [20:04:45] hi Brooke [20:04:49] Hi Nikerabbit. [20:05:13] ragnar76: I'd suggest running a few convert commands from the command line. You might be able to enable debugging and get the raw command that MediaWiki is dying on. [20:05:17] MediaWiki --> ImageMagick, really. [20:05:33] I can't remember if it gets logged to the debug log. [20:05:36] It should. [20:05:53] Hmm, SVG is a whole separate headache. [20:06:06] New patchset: Krinkle; "Kranitor #3: jQuerlyfornication ft. The Cascaders" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16900 [20:06:11] Usually you'd use rsvg for SVGs, not ImageMagick. [20:06:23] But I've found it simpler to simply use Commons and free media than get SVG support working properly. (o; [20:06:25] you could use SVG for SVG [20:06:29] Let Wikimeida's renders make a PNG. [20:06:32] You could! [20:06:37] But browser support isn't great. [20:06:42] oh? [20:06:42] Particularly mobile browsers. [20:06:49] It's getting better. [20:06:55] which mobile browsers? [20:06:56] convert works fine [20:07:01] even with svg's [20:07:37] shepazu: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SVG#Mobile_support [20:07:54] It's not nearly as bad as it used to be. [20:08:02] http://caniuse.com/#feat=svg-html5 [20:08:18] Though I have to imagine that large SVGs would be nasty to render on a phone. [20:08:56] true [20:09:22] OTOH, the new retina displays are making SVGs more necessary. [20:09:45] but that's a flaw of the authoring tools, not SVG… you could run a script to clean up ugly and bloated code [20:09:46] shepazu: Are you working for the Wikimedia Foundation? [20:09:53] Just curious, as I see you're in #wikimedia-dev. [20:10:01] Brooke: no, I'm working for W3C :) [20:10:07] Hah, cool. :-) [20:10:19] Wikipedians make nasty SVGs. [20:10:24] I'm on the SVG WG [20:10:26] Even ImageMagick and rsvg can't handle them sometimes. [20:10:39] yes, that's true… it's a problem with InkScape [20:10:46] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Mediawiki_logo_sunflower.svg [20:11:03] can i define another tmp dir inside localsettings? [20:11:16] ragnar76: Yes, as I pasted above, there's a configuration variable. [20:11:29] hups, did not see that [20:11:34] scrolling up [20:11:42] ragnar76: But Reedy says if MediaWiki is shelling out ot ImageMagick, it might ignore the MediaWiki setting. [20:11:58] You may want to enable debugging and see if you can get the raw command being sent to convert. [20:12:01] i will test it [20:12:04] So you can try to reproduce from the commandline. [20:12:12] That's how I'd go after this problem. [20:12:19] * Enable the debug log or the 'thumbnail' log group to make sure errors [20:12:19] * are logged to a file for review. [20:13:11] Brooke: not to be pedantic… but saying that Wikipedians make bad SVGs so we shouldn't display SVG, is like saying that they write bad prose so we shouldn't let them write articles :) [20:14:04] I know that's not totally equivalent, I'm just sayin [20:14:14] 14(WFM) Warning messages should handle redirects - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/26734 +comment (10Nemo_bis) [20:14:22] Oh, no. We need better SVG --> PNG tools. [20:14:25] The SVGs are fine. [20:14:36] But throwing them raw at mobile browsers built five years ago... well, that's a bit silly. :-) [20:14:44] embed svgs! [20:14:47] When the PNG is so much more lightweight. [20:14:54] SVG all the things! [20:15:09] IE8 doesn't support .svg natively, only IE9+ does, and WinXP users are stuck with IE8 [20:15:26] Windows XP is like 12 years old now. [20:15:40] still good though ;-) [20:15:41] 11 [20:15:44] indeed [20:15:59] I think XP also has Firefox/Chrome/Safari support. (o; [20:16:23] can't fight IE :( [20:16:31] ...and some places are _still_ running WinXP with _IE6_ nowadays [20:16:36] Sure. [20:16:42] feature detection [20:16:54] Yes, just throw more code at the problem. ;-) [20:16:57] A far bigger problem, if I may say, is that SVG browser support is varied - they can render the same things *slightly differently* [20:17:03] JavaScript detection, server-side detection, etc. [20:17:10] It'll take a few minutes to render a page, but it'll look mostly right! [20:17:21] Brooke: if you throw enough code at the problem, it'll eventually go away! right? :D [20:17:33] Jarry1250: Who cares about details like geogrphic borders and such? Close enough! :P [20:17:39] ashley: And developers! [20:17:48] Just throw resources at the problem and hide under a table. [20:17:48] Heh [20:18:45] ashley: some places are still running w98se actually [20:19:03] The world runs on COBOL. [20:19:36] Danny_B|backup: awww :) I remember when good ol' Win98 was brand new! been wanting to buy a cheap, old laptop and (re)install Win98 on it and see how badly the modern Internet fails on it :P [20:23:00] what makes me perplex is this part of the output : Error creating thumbnail: ERROR: meta.c (179): wmf_header_read: this isn't a wmf file [20:23:08] sure a svg is not a wmf file [20:23:47] Brooke: Even some svgs on desktops can take a few minutes to render. >.> [20:24:05] * Isarra has definitely not been stalking the conversation. [20:24:10] In that case you need a new pc [20:24:13] those SVGs are badly made [20:24:27] Badly made, or just complex? [20:24:44] just have svg->vml converter for ie [20:24:45] usually badly made [20:24:49] Not all are simple geometric objects; it is entirely possible to create realistic scalable images. [20:25:02] Isarra: that's the wrong use for SVG [20:25:15] Unfortunately, while those are the ones which most need rendered pngs, they are also ones that librsvg just cannot do. [20:25:27] How so? How else do you make it scalable? [20:25:43] And certainly how else that is even remotely witely supported... [20:26:11] widely* [20:26:14] 03(mod) references disappear - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38539 +comment (10DaSch) [20:26:59] Isarra: misusing SVG for purposes that render poorly or take too long just makes people not trust SVG as a format [20:27:28] So you would call the Oxygen icon set a misuse of svg? [20:27:40] Isarra: I don't know it [20:27:54] Yes, they take a few seconds to render, but that is why you have pngs for the icons that are actually being used. [20:27:58] I wouldn't think icons would be too complex [20:28:00] The svgs are the sources. [20:28:17] SVG was not meant as an interchange format [20:28:57] And javascript was not meant to be a platform for everything on the interwebs, but things happen. [20:31:37] that's not a reason to misuse SVG [20:32:40] No, I'm saying that calling it 'misuse' is as silly as calling what people do with js these days 'misuse'. [20:33:30] JS has adapted since its early days to meet the needs that it's been called upon to do [20:34:00] making SVGs that don't render well is not a proper use of SVG [20:34:35] And svgs standards support very complex use already. That the rendering applications don't follow standards is an entirely separate issue. [20:36:20] making an HTML file of 10MB worth of tables instead of a spreadsheet is a possible use of HTML, but that doesn't make it a good idea [20:37:17] How is that relevant? [20:37:30] hurrrr [20:37:45] Because you can is a great reason [20:38:04] Is this a misuse of svg? https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4c/Oxygen_devices.svg [20:39:30] Isarra: no, the use is fine, but the file is hugely bloated… it could be reduced to 40% or less in size… so that's poorly done [20:39:44] most of that is Inkscape's fault [20:39:59] it should expoert web-ready SVG files by default [20:40:01] So what is a misuse, then, exactly? [20:40:10] SVG is meant for web display [20:40:23] Clearly we're not on the same page here. [20:40:27] so authoring tools should optimize for that case [20:40:45] And please feel free to optimise it if it is so bad. [20:42:19] Isarra: I'm not sure why you're being so hostile, I'm just commenting on some flaws in the usage of SVG that would solve the problems that people commented on (e.g. not rendering interoperably, or rendering too slowly) [20:42:26] 03(NEW) Messages needing PLURAL support (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38781 normal; MediaWiki: User interface; (federicoleva) [20:42:26] 03(mod) mediawiki:smw_querytoolarge needs PLURAL support - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/18515 (10Nemo_bis) [20:42:26] 03(mod) PLURAL support needed in JavaScripts - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/20968 (10Nemo_bis) [20:42:27] 03(mod) Forcing the language for {{PLURAL}} rule - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/22985 (10Nemo_bis) [20:42:27] 03(mod) PLURAL suggested for headline messages on page translate move confirmation page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/25274 (10Nemo_bis) [20:42:28] 03(mod) Many maintenance scripts messages lack PLURAL support - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/28028 (10Nemo_bis) [20:42:29] 03(mod) Add PLURAL support for MediaWiki:Recordadmin-notset - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/28073 (10Nemo_bis) [20:42:30] 03(mod) Consider whether {{PLURAL:}} should handle fractional numbers - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/28128 (10Nemo_bis) [20:42:30] 03(mod) Message Maintenance-cleanupTable-finished should support PLURAL - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/30968 (10Nemo_bis) [20:42:31] 03(mod) {{PLURAL}} isn't expanded when an interface message transcludes Special:Recentchanges - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/32275 (10Nemo_bis) [20:42:32] 03(mod) i18n messages for copy category and description need PLURAL support - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37232 (10Nemo_bis) [20:42:35] 03(mod) Pluralization Javascript is not working while adding a flag - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37424 (10Nemo_bis) [20:42:35] 03(mod) GettextFFS plurals break when translation contains | - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38479 (10Nemo_bis) [20:42:36] 03(mod) Multiple plural forms dependent on the number - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38613 (10Nemo_bis) [20:42:36] 03(mod) Allow PLURAL in MediaWiki:Edittoolbar-tool-table-toomany - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/20899 (10Nemo_bis) [20:42:37] 03(mod) PLURAL is taken from wrong language, when calling internationalizeded messages with {{int:...}} - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/21592 (10Nemo_bis) [20:42:37] 03(mod) Tracking bug (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/2007 (10Nemo_bis) [20:42:38] 03(mod) Interface messages needing rewording or documentation and other issues with existing messages (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38638 (10Nemo_bis) [20:43:15] 03(mod) Messages needing PLURAL support (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38781 (10Nemo_bis) [20:43:48] all I'm saying is that if authoring tools optimized for the intended use case of SVG as a web vector format, wikipedia wouldn't be in the unfortunately situation of having to rasterize everything instead of making it scalable directly [20:43:59] *unfortunate [20:44:51] How exactly am I being hostile? I'm just trying to understand what your point with all of this is, and what you even mean by 'misuse'. [20:45:34] And I really would appreciate a demonstration on that one image, since quite frankly I don't believe you; it's about the same size as the sources. [20:48:10] Isarra: there's a great tool called SVG Scour that can be used as a plugin for Inkscape that dramatically reduces file sizes (I helped a bit to work on it, but it's mostly Jeff Schiller) [20:48:45] Does it maintain precision? [20:50:06] it's not usually necessary… for example, Inkscape uses numbers like "21.327381"… SVG doesn't render anything more than 1px of precision, so at most 1 or 2 decimal places need to be preserved, even for dramatic zooming [20:51:47] and that's just in the numbers… there are all sorts of crufty bits of extra referenced gradients, and so on, not to mention the Inkscape and Sodipodi namespaces and roundtripping values, that dramatically add to the file size (and thus the DOM and memory requirements) [20:51:48] Is that how librsvg speeds things up as well? [20:53:10] Isarra: I'm not sure what you mean [20:53:24] 03(mod) Maps input broken - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33560 +comment (10Leonard Wallentin) [20:53:53] Librsvg discards precision - it's probably more than you describe, but that is also why it is such a terrible renderer for anything beyond basic objects. [20:54:28] 03(mod) MediaWiki:Mwe-upwiz-mins-secs-remaining needs plural support - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/24643 15enhancement->normal; +i18n; summary; +comment (10Nemo_bis) [20:54:34] 03(mod) Messages needing PLURAL support (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38781 (10Nemo_bis) [20:54:39] Change merged: Jeroen De Dauw; [mediawiki/extensions/Contest] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16901 [20:55:27] Isarra: it might discard even more precision… I'm only talking about fp-precision, you could also simplify paths by discaring points entirely, maybe that's what librsvg does, if the output is so poor [20:55:38] * discarding [20:55:55] It is likely. [20:57:20] Isarra: that file you pointed to (which looks quite nice) is over 50% just gradients and other paint-reference elements… 26K+ lines of gradients… there can't possibly be that many gradients in use :) [20:58:10] I see maybe 50 gradients total… at most 500 loc [20:58:27] When we're the only ones talking, you don't need to ping me. [20:58:40] Even when there are others it's usually not necessary... [20:58:53] But aye, that sounds like something you should take up with inkscape folks. [20:59:16] more likely 50-100 loc… there's a lot of filters in there too, whihc slows down rendering and probably is overkill for those images [20:59:35] 03(mod) i18n "int-hack" does not work very well in JavaScript.... - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38381 +i18n (10Nemo_bis) [20:59:37] That wikipedians would use inkscape certainly shouldn't come as a surprise either, it being free, and all. [20:59:37] Isarra: I've spoken to them many times, yes :) [20:59:47] Great. Then you don't need to lecture me. [20:59:54] New patchset: Drecodeam; "Added functions to check the license of the image input by the user." [mediawiki/extensions/UploadWizard] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12356 [20:59:59] oops, sorry to ping you, it's common practice in other channels I haunt [21:00:26] I wasn't lecturing you, you asked for specific details of what I meant, and I was conveying them [21:00:37] sorry if you took offense to that [21:00:49] 03(mod) Messages needing PLURAL support (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38781 (10Nemo_bis) [21:00:50] 03(mod) Show estimate of number of edits to be reverted in rollback link - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/18834 (10Nemo_bis) [21:00:52] 03(mod) EditTool i18n messages with markup should be avoided - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/19190 (10Nemo_bis) [21:00:53] 03(mod) Useractivity-* interface messages and their documentation are unclear - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/28617 (10Nemo_bis) [21:00:55] 03(mod) ArticleFeedback message should be in singular form if the user submits only one rating - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/29323 (10Nemo_bis) [21:00:56] 03(mod) Add $2 parameter to message Mwe-upwiz-source-thirdparty-license - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/29964 (10Nemo_bis) [21:00:56] 03(mod) [SMW] 1.7; [patch] display cache information in SMW_ConceptPage.php - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34477 (10Nemo_bis) [21:00:57] 03(mod) negative numbers look weird in the feedback bubble remaining characters count - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36858 (10Nemo_bis) [21:01:21] You go on at length, is all. [21:01:34] But what did you mean by 'misuse' of svgs? [21:01:40] I thought you were interested in the technical details… [21:02:00] It's fine, mon. [21:03:16] SVGs, like any code meant for browsers, should be tested in browsers before being used that way [21:03:52] it's a bit silly to make a rendering file that doesn't render :) [21:04:33] that would be like making a wikipedia article that doesn't render in the browser because it's too long and there's a memory time-out :) [21:05:19] So using svgs is misuse? [21:05:23] Or what? [21:05:49] * shepazu checks out, didn't realize it was troll-feeding time at the zoo :) [21:06:34] Well, not all browsers support svgs, and I'm not really sure what else you would mean... [21:07:38] 03(mod) in feeds mention more than just "that page is now protected" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/19812 +comment (10Nemo_bis) [21:08:33] New patchset: Drecodeam; "Added functions to check the license of the image input by the user." [mediawiki/extensions/UploadWizard] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12356 [21:13:01] 03(mod) Create {{ROOTPAGENAME}} to improve detection of page owner in user spaces, also usable in interface messages, etc. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/32703 summary (10Nemo_bis) [21:13:59] 03(mod) GENDER (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/30443 (10Nemo_bis) [21:14:01] 03(mod) Useractivity-* interface messages and their documentation are unclear - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/28617 (10Nemo_bis) [21:14:02] 03(mod) LQT notification e-mail (enotif) uses message author's preferences for language etc. instead of the recipient's - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/28712 (10Nemo_bis) [21:14:02] 03(mod) notification-edit-talk-page request for clarification - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37669 (10Nemo_bis) [21:14:07] 03(mod) in feeds mention more than just "that page is now protected" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/19812 (10jidanni) [21:14:12] 03(mod) Email notification mistakes log action for new page creation - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/14901 (10jidanni) [21:16:41] 03(NEW) Allow mw.loader.using adding dependency without loading the module - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38782 normal; MediaWiki: ResourceLoader; (umherirrender_de.wp) [21:33:27] 03(mod) Add count parameter to MediaWiki:Contest-welcome-active-contests - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38625 +comment (10Michał Łazowik) [21:38:00] 03(mod) Filenames in the HTML snapshot by extension dumpHTML - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/8147 +comment (10Adam Wight) [21:56:08] Hello, somebody knows if there is a place to request Addition of Extensions to translatewiki? [22:08:39] dasch, did you try in translatewiki VP ? [22:09:42] what's VP? [22:11:08] village pump aka [[support]] [22:11:29] our main guys are on vacation so it will take a moment [22:12:01] 03(mod) Maps input broken - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33560 +comment (10Leonard Wallentin) [22:12:19] okay, then I'll just add my translation by my self through git [22:18:37] Nikerabbit: around? [22:31:46] New patchset: DaSch; "Added german translation here, because the extension misses in translatewiki.bet" [mediawiki/extensions/UploadLocal] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16902 [22:41:21] 14(DUP) Local entries in MediaWiki:Titleblacklist for prevents SUL-accounts from being created locally - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38762 +comment (10Victor Vasiliev) [22:41:27] 03(mod) Make the title blacklist allow auto creations for global accounts - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33429 +comment (10Victor Vasiliev) [22:46:20] Change merged: Aaron Schulz; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16899 [22:47:48] 03(NEW) Add git date to Special:Version - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38783 normal; MediaWiki: Special pages; (dasch) [23:06:20] New patchset: Umherirrender; "Fix at end navigation condition for query pages" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16903 [23:37:53] New patchset: DaSch; "possible patch for Bug 38783" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16904 [23:38:31] 03(mod) Add git date to Special:Version - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38783 +comment (10DaSch) [23:54:01] anyone here have experience with developing package-management systems?