[00:43:11] <Harzilein>	 hi
[00:44:56] <jeremyb>	 world
[00:45:20] <Harzilein>	 if i query only for titles but the server decides it wants to split the reply, which tag will be inside <query-continue>? <pages>?
[00:52:48] <jeremyb>	 Harzilein: can't you just do a test query?
[00:53:01] <jeremyb>	 and see what the reply has?
[00:53:52] <Harzilein>	 jeremyb: i would, if i could set a limit in my query, but apparently i can't
[00:54:05] <jeremyb>	 what makes you think not?
[00:54:12] <jeremyb>	 paste a link to your current attempt?
[00:54:15] <Harzilein>	 it's not documented in the api
[00:56:46] <Harzilein>	 one moment please
[00:58:37] <Harzilein>	 http://paste.debian.net/182140
[00:59:03] <Harzilein>	 i'm after the information if a certain page is "missing" btw
[00:59:58] <Harzilein>	 now if the server imposes a limit i'd find a query-continue element
[01:00:07] <Harzilein>	 but i can't select a limit myself
[01:09:10] <Reedy>	 because you're giving a named number of requested articles
[01:09:20] <Reedy>	 if you requested a lot of information to go with that, you might get a limit
[01:09:32] <Reedy>	 is it so hard to check your list of input with the  output?
[01:10:10] <Harzilein>	 <Reedy> if you requested a lot of information to go with that, you might get a limit
[01:10:44] <Harzilein>	 i know that. it also works for _this_ case, the question is what happens if wp decides to use query continuation on smaller queries?
[01:11:08] <Reedy>	 That's highly unlikely
[01:11:17] <Harzilein>	 as in, i don't want to make a query, but _write a program that will make queries in the future_
[01:11:28] <Harzilein>	 unlikely or guaranteed not to happen?
[01:11:43] <Harzilein>	 ("guaranteed" from a protocol point of view)
[01:11:51] <Reedy>	  * The maximum size (in bytes) of an API result.
[01:11:51] <Reedy>	  * @warning Do not set this lower than $wgMaxArticleSize*1024
[01:11:51] <Reedy>	  */
[01:11:51] <Reedy>	 $wgAPIMaxResultSize = 8388608;
[01:12:06] <Reedy>	  * Maximum article size in kilobytes
[01:12:06] <Reedy>	  */
[01:12:06] <Reedy>	 $wgMaxArticleSize = 2048;
[01:12:37] <Reedy>	 Almost guaranteed
[01:12:40] <Harzilein>	 i'm not querying article contents nor making requests with a login.
[01:12:44] <Reedy>	 Doesn't matter
[01:13:10] <Reedy>	 Though, based on the code in ApiQuery.php
[01:13:15] <Reedy>	 There's no continuation functionality
[01:13:30] <Reedy>	 so what you'd get, would be all of the top level results, but then continuation in any sub data you may be requesting
[01:14:17] <Harzilein>	 i understand there's currently no benefit to letting me page through the results (as it would only help if it translates to some limit and offset to the database) but someone might have a "fantastic idea" at some point to make responding to a query for dozens of pages with batches of, say, five
[01:14:19] <Reedy>	 then requesting that set of data, with continuation set for the property/list/meta
[01:14:42] <Reedy>	 It's not going to happen
[01:14:53] <Reedy>	 It counts as a breaking change for one
[01:15:01] <Harzilein>	 ah, i'm not requesting sub-data, i just want my outbound links to wikipedia displayed in red if the articles don't exist
[01:15:20] <Reedy>	 you *really* don't need to worry about it then ;)
[01:21:34] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Adding interwikis with drag'n'drop - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/18072  (10mybugs.mail)
[01:26:00] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Splitting and merging with the drag and drop feature under the menu is broken - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/24476  (10mybugs.mail)
[01:42:22] <Harzilein>	 meh, the ruby gem i'm using does not appear to care for normalization: hp@tt-24:~/ruby-mediawiki-gateway-0.5.0$ grep -i -r normalized *
[01:47:14] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Upgrade script for MySQL missing table msg_resource_links - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39046 critical; MediaWiki: Installer; (puiterwijk)
[01:54:55] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Upgrade script for MySQL missing table msg_resource_links - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39046  +comment (10Patrick Uiterwijk)
[02:09:35] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Madman; "Bug 38450 Reimplement MediaWiki's info action" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17634
[02:10:52] <factor>	 Trying to play mp3 's from HTML form my site ogg works but mp3 does not , anyone know if i need an htaccess meta type or is it something else.
[02:10:59] <factor>	 HTML5
[02:11:11] <factor>	 I can play it local , but not on the hosting site
[02:12:02] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Categories appearance in Google Chrome - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39047 normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (chrisd857)
[02:12:08] <Dantman>	 Well mimetypes can always get in the way of native playing... but if you're using <audio> the issue is probably the fact that you're trying to use mp3
[02:12:25] <factor>	 Danny_B|backup, how is that
[02:12:31] <factor>	 sorry
[02:12:37] <factor>	 Dantman, How is that
[02:12:40] <Harzilein>	 factor: you could actually _check_ if the mime type is the expected one. maybe with the livehttpheaders extension for ff
[02:13:32] <factor>	 i can do mp4 if i set it up oga ogg but not mp3
[02:13:45] <factor>	 will check liveheader
[02:14:01] <Dantman>	 factor: You're taking this from the wrong direction... you don't get the browsers to play the file format you have... you give the browsers whatever file formats THEY want.
[02:14:23] <factor>	 Well if all I got is mp3 
[02:14:35] <factor>	 I have some ogg formats but not all
[02:14:50] <factor>	 I am pulling it from RSS and then plopingit into an html5 player
[02:15:10] <factor>	 if i can get just ogg and mp3 Iwill be happy
[02:15:11] <Dantman>	 Which means if you want your files to play, then you are going to be encoding your audio in both ogg and mp3 formats.
[02:15:33] <factor>	 Well i am not encoding them
[02:15:42] <factor>	 i am pulling them from remote site
[02:15:52] <Dantman>	 Nothing stopping you from downloading them and then re-encoding
[02:16:01] <factor>	 i dont have shell access
[02:16:03] <factor>	 just php
[02:16:36] <factor>	 I can get mp3 to play fine on another site
[02:16:38] <Dantman>	 A) If something like ffmpeg is installed you might be able to shell out from php B) Get a better host.
[02:16:49] <factor>	 just not the hosting site I am using. I can inside flash but not the html5 version
[02:16:56] <jeremyb>	 factor: http://html5doctor.com/html5-audio-the-state-of-play/#support
[02:17:56] <jeremyb>	 Dantman: he's just not getting it...
[02:18:25] <factor>	 humm its seems I can get it if I run it standalone
[02:18:35] <factor>	 just not embeded intside mediawiki
[02:18:50] <Dantman>	 That's because plugins takeover
[02:18:53] <factor>	 http://www.userspace.org/extensions/rssMedia/jQuery.jPlayer.2.1.0.demos/demo-01-supplied-mp3-pf.htm
[02:18:58] <factor>	 standalone mp3
[02:19:06] <factor>	 http://www.userspace.org/index.php/WikiMarkup
[02:19:11] <Dantman>	 And you're not guaranteed the user has the right plugins
[02:19:12] <factor>	 Mediawiki ext.
[02:19:26] <factor>	 at the bottom , my testing place
[02:19:47] <factor>	 its hard coded into the ext. just as the standaloneis
[02:19:58] <factor>	 no variables, 
[02:20:25] <Dantman>	 That's not standalone mp3... that's a cruddy flash player
[02:20:34] <factor>	 no its not flash
[02:20:44] <factor>	 right click on it
[02:20:48] <factor>	 its html5
[02:20:58] <factor>	 i am converting all my ext. to html5 right now
[02:21:08] <Dantman>	 No... it's using flash just view the source
[02:21:19] <factor>	 it has a back up if you cant use html5
[02:21:27] <factor>	 thebackup is flash , mine is not flash
[02:21:39] <factor>	 but will fall back if you dont have html5 browser
[02:22:51] <Dantman>	 I disabled Flash... now it doesn't work
[02:22:56] <Dantman>	 It's using flash
[02:23:04] <factor>	 What browser are you using
[02:23:11] <factor>	 only if you dont have html5
[02:23:41] <jeremyb>	 factor: then why doesn't it play for me?
[02:23:50] <factor>	 What browser are you using?
[02:23:58] <Dantman>	 Firefox ...practically everyone has html5... YOU are the one not providing the right file format
[02:24:09] <Dantman>	 mp3 is the WRONG file format for Firefox
[02:24:27] <factor>	 well does not matter i need mp3 and ogg
[02:24:33] <factor>	 i need both to work
[02:24:40] <Dantman>	 They won
[02:24:43] <jeremyb>	 ...
[02:24:46] <Dantman>	 wont*
[02:24:53] <Dantman>	 It doesn't matter how much you want or need it
[02:24:58] <Dantman>	 It will never happen
[02:25:09] <factor>	 it already happened
[02:25:17] <factor>	 I pointed to you the mp3 format
[02:25:21] <Dantman>	 No it hasn't it's using flash
[02:25:21] <factor>	 its works standalone
[02:25:22] * jeremyb  stabs factor

[02:25:27] <Dantman>	 No it fucking doesnt!
[02:25:53] <Dantman>	 There is no ogg, so it falls back to Flash.
[02:27:47] <factor>	 ok so it does look like flash is for the mp3
[02:27:57] <factor>	 I removed the swf file
[02:28:19] <factor>	 Will change it to ogg now...
[02:28:40] <jeremyb>	 Dantman: looks like you have a shorturl victim queued up here too
[02:29:57] <Dantman>	 wav files are played by Chrome, Firefox, Safari, and Opera; ogg vorbs is supported by Chrome, Firefox, and Opera; acc is supported by IE and Safari; and mp3 is supported by IE, Chrome, and Safari.
[02:30:06] <factor>	 ok now the ogg works. so mp3 is back 
[02:30:10] <Dantman>	 jeremyb: ^_^ Good thing I fixed the bug wednesday
[02:30:18] <factor>	 so I need to have it find the swf player it seems
[02:30:21] <factor>	 thanks
[02:30:32] <Dantman>	 *facepalm*
[02:30:43] <Dantman>	 So to support every browser you need to provide both an ogg and an mp3.
[02:30:55] <factor>	 well mp3 for some RSS streams
[02:31:03] <factor>	 many have ogg though
[02:31:05] <factor>	 not all
[02:31:13] <jeremyb>	 Dantman: what bug?
[02:31:32] <Dantman>	 If you want it to play natively in all browsers you have to provide both. Period. It doesn't matter what format you can get it in, you have to encode it into both yourself.
[02:31:59] <Dantman>	 jeremyb: Had an issue with an upgrade to Hashery that made the OrderedHash disappear and give me fatals
[02:32:35] <Dantman>	 The ogg for Firefox and Opera. And the mp3 for IE and Safari. (Chrome will play both)
[02:32:41] <Dantman>	 This is impossible to change.
[02:32:52] <Dantman>	 Because mp3 is a patent encumbered format.
[02:32:55] <Dantman>	 And so is ACC.
[02:33:02] <factor>	 ok thanks yes so it seems
[02:33:04] <Dantman>	 While OGG is an open format.
[02:33:12] <factor>	 yes I want it ogg when I can
[02:33:20] <factor>	 but if I cant ..
[02:33:50] <factor>	 Trying to convert my stuff to html5 .
[02:33:53] <Dantman>	 Big companies like Apple and Microsoft are obsessed with their patented formats (and in some cases actually profit from them) so you won't get them to support open formats like ogg.
[02:34:29] <factor>	 Pinky and the Brain are at it again 
[02:34:32] <Dantman>	 While open source browsers like Firefox will absolutely never include a proprietary format that requires them to pay a license or charge their users.
[02:34:41] <factor>	 yup
[02:34:46] <Dantman>	 It would be against their very core philosophy of promoting a free and open web.
[02:35:22] <Dantman>	 So as a result inevitably we will always have to encode audio in at minimum both mp3 and ogg.
[02:36:43] <Dantman>	 factor: Btw, if you can't shell out on your server but are willing to incur a small cost there is also the option of using http://zencoder.com/ or https://www.encoding.com/
[02:41:35] <jeremyb>	 factor: why can't you just transcode yourself?
[02:41:56] <Dantman>	 He seems to be on some sort of crappy shared hosting
[02:42:06] <factor>	 because I am lazy. the RSS fees will be updated when they change. I dont have to bother withthem
[02:42:21] <jeremyb>	 Dantman: well unless ogg gains enough market share that it then just works everywhere? a dream?
[02:42:22] <factor>	 they update and change to the latest feed automatically
[02:42:38] <Dantman>	 Heh...
[02:43:08] <Dantman>	 jeremyb: I have a feeling it might be in the same situation that theora/webm are in
[02:43:20] <jeremyb>	 Dantman: idk what the state is there
[02:43:30] <jeremyb>	 Dantman: btw, did you come to wikimania?
[02:43:46] <factor>	 ok got the mp3 version to work
[02:43:48] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Madman; "Bug 38450 Reimplement MediaWiki's info action" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17634
[02:43:56] <factor>	 had a swf path in the script..
[02:44:12] <factor>	 so now both mp3 and ogg work , which is what i wanted. 
[02:44:26] <Dantman>	 factor: They don't work... they use flash... that's different
[02:45:38] <Dantman>	 jeremyb: They're the better non-patent-encumbered format... but they are fighting against the fact that hardware manufactures are already invested in h264 and making hardware based h264 decoders. Which is a hard battle to win without convincing manufactures to start making webm hardware decoders and ignore the legacy of devides that only have h264 decoders.
[02:45:58] <Dantman>	 jeremyb: No, I don't travel.
[02:46:06] <jeremyb>	 Dantman: idk where you are
[02:46:16] <jeremyb>	 Dantman: does hardware support matter less for audio?
[02:46:18] <Dantman>	 Surrey, BC, Canada
[02:46:36] <jeremyb>	 oh, canadia
[02:46:47] <jeremyb>	 this wikimania was fairly close even!
[02:46:55] <jeremyb>	 relatively
[02:47:01] <Dantman>	 I have never crossed the border.
[02:47:12] <jeremyb>	 not even provincial?
[02:47:19] <Dantman>	 Well sure, provincial.
[02:47:27] <Dantman>	 But I've never left Canada.
[02:47:58] <Dantman>	 And with the state of the US and my current state... I have less reason to.
[02:48:34] <jeremyb>	 US and BC don't get along?
[02:49:34] <Dantman>	 No not that... just everything with customs, airports, etc...
[02:49:39] <Dantman>	 And my health.
[02:50:22] <Dantman>	 jeremyb: Audio probably doesn't have the same issue of non hardware-accelerated video stuttering on devices. But it probably still has the issue that non-hardware accelerated audio/video eat up battery life and heat up the CPU.
[02:51:15] <jeremyb>	 oh, ugh
[02:53:01] <Dantman>	 Btw Google IO had a nice session on network usage vs. battery life and the way that the cellular antena works for 2G/3G. It was android focused but really applies to any mobile device.
[02:54:11] <jeremyb>	 interesting
[03:01:50] <Dantman>	 https://developers.google.com/events/io/sessions/gooio2012/101/ around 18:40 iirc
[03:30:28] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Nischayn22; "Will address style issues in a patchset shortly" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16995
[03:38:01] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Helder.wiki; "Add missing dependency and remove String.prototype.trim" [mediawiki/extensions/LiquidThreads] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17683
[04:22:58] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Madman; "Bug 38450 Reimplement MediaWiki's info action" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17634
[04:46:14] <darkassasin104>	 Hi, can someone help me troubleshoot my subdomain setup for Mediawiki?
[04:46:42] <darkassasin104>	 I can't seem to get it to work correctly, and I'm using godaddy to forward the subdomain
[05:04:41] <jeremyb>	 darkassasin104: obviously you haven't said enough for someone to know what's wrong
[05:04:58] <jeremyb>	 if you had you might have been helped already
[05:05:04] <darkassasin104>	 Ok
[05:05:15] <darkassasin104>	 Well basically I set up a godaddy subdomain
[05:05:25] <jeremyb>	 also, don't use godaddy
[05:05:35] <darkassasin104>	 I set it as a forward subdomain to lorwiki.thepillsquad.com
[05:05:41] <darkassasin104>	 lorwiki being the part of the subdomain
[05:05:59] <darkassasin104>	 Well what should I transfer the domain to?
[05:06:10] <darkassasin104>	 If godaddy shouldn't be used?
[05:06:20] <jeremyb>	 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Go_Daddy#Backing_of_SOPA.2C_and_resultant_boycott
[05:06:33] <jeremyb>	 darkassasin104: i'd use gandi.net personally
[05:06:52] <jeremyb>	 darkassasin104: that's where i have wikimedianyc.org and friends and that's where the wikimedia france domains are
[05:07:15] <jeremyb>	 darkassasin104: can you tell me more about what "forward" means here?
[05:07:20] <darkassasin104>	 How reliable is it?
[05:07:23] <darkassasin104>	 Well what I did
[05:07:33] <jeremyb>	 how reliable is what?
[05:07:39] <darkassasin104>	 gandinet
[05:07:42] <darkassasin104>	 .
[05:07:44] <darkassasin104>	 net
[05:07:52] <jeremyb>	 idk, they're a pretty decent size i think
[05:07:57] <darkassasin104>	 ah
[05:07:58] <jeremyb>	 freeculture.org is there too
[05:08:10] <darkassasin104>	 well I host the wiki with XAMPP
[05:08:19] <jeremyb>	 that's fine if you like
[05:08:33] <jeremyb>	 not the i'd go but that's up to you ;)
[05:08:34] <darkassasin104>	 and originally I used a dynamic DNS that made my IP
[05:08:37] <jeremyb>	 just don't use godaddy
[05:08:43] <darkassasin104>	 thepillsquad.no-ip.org
[05:08:54] <jeremyb>	 if all else fails you can CNAME
[05:08:54] <darkassasin104>	 and there was a /wiki after that
[05:08:56] <jeremyb>	 anyway.
[05:09:12] <darkassasin104>	 But I'm trying to make my subdomain set to
[05:09:15] <darkassasin104>	 be
[05:09:20] <darkassasin104>	 lorwiki.thepillsquad.com
[05:09:23] <darkassasin104>	 thepillsquad.com being my domain
[05:09:33] <jeremyb>	 it seems pretty clear that the biggest problem you have atm is a configuration problem locally on your XAMPP box
[05:09:43] <darkassasin104>	 I'll put a pastebin
[05:09:45] <jeremyb>	 keeps sending me to an IP instead of a domain name
[05:10:02] <jeremyb>	 darkassasin104: i'm going offline very soon but other people will be around eventually. be patient
[05:10:14] <jeremyb>	 (and i'll be back eventually if you wait long enough!)
[05:10:37] <darkassasin104>	 ok
[05:11:26] <darkassasin104>	 This is my LocalSettings.php
[05:11:27] <darkassasin104>	 http://pastebin.com/TWzdMbXc
[05:12:30] <darkassasin104>	 I forwarded the subdomain lorwiki.thepillsquad.com to the external IP of the XAMPP box: 74.219.104.189
[05:12:30] <jeremyb>	 that's not your problem
[05:12:47] <jeremyb>	 it's the XAMPP config not the mediawiki config
[05:12:50] <darkassasin104>	 and when I enter lorwiki.thepillsquad.com
[05:12:56] <darkassasin104>	 oh, where do i find that?
[05:12:58] <jeremyb>	 and you should change your secret key now of course
[05:13:01] <jeremyb>	 idk where
[05:13:08] <jeremyb>	 specifically the apache config
[05:13:24] <darkassasin104>	 there's a httpd.conf
[05:13:32] <darkassasin104>	 in my apache/conf folder
[05:13:56] <darkassasin104>	 and then some folders like
[05:13:57] <darkassasin104>	 ssl.key
[05:14:03] <darkassasin104>	 ssl.something
[05:14:21] <jeremyb>	 you could also try #apache if you like
[05:14:29] <darkassasin104>	 alright
[05:14:36] <jeremyb>	 or maybe xampp has a channel
[05:14:42] <darkassasin104>	 I'll look for that
[05:14:42] * jeremyb  just can't stick around any longer

[05:14:43] <darkassasin104>	 thanks
[05:14:52] <darkassasin104>	 bye
[05:15:08] <jeremyb>	 you don't have to leave...
[05:20:08] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Merge the Wikidata ContentHandler branch - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38622  +comment (10jeremyb)
[05:24:08] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Merge the Wikidata ContentHandler branch - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38622  +comment (10jeremyb)
[05:53:28] <Dantman>	 jeremyb: Btw on the plus side we're not depending on wgSecretKey as much anymore
[06:54:24] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Tracking bug for RTL bugs in the Wikimedia Mobile Android app - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34166  (10Amir E. Aharoni)
[06:54:25] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Directionality of "contributors like you" and license on the bottom of the page is assigned according to the page language - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39048 normal; Wikipedia App: Localization/Translation/Language; (amir.aharoni)
[07:02:09] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) SyntaxHighlight CSS not included in Special:Cite page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39049 normal; MediaWiki extensions: Cite; (mail)
[07:07:05] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) E-Mail should be a required field - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38580  +comment (10xqt)
[07:56:26] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Typo shows Username and Password in log - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38909  +comment (10Alexandre Emsenhuber [IAlex])
[08:00:09] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Mwjames; "Wow ... just cloned this one and this breaks bad it just comes back with" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17119
[08:14:02] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) E-Mail should be a required field - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38580  +comment (10Incarus)
[08:39:22] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Whitespace between syntax of table or heading and percent sign is converted to a non-breaking space - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38797  +comment (10seth)
[08:40:32] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Raimond Spekking; "Add extensions WhiteSpace" [translatewiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17684
[08:40:49] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Raimond Spekking; [translatewiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17684
[08:48:26] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Add non-breaking spaces in additional places automatically - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/13619  +comment (10seth)
[09:23:15] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: jan; "Improve Poll-code" [mediawiki/extensions/Poll] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17645
[09:24:53] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: jan; "Upload patch set 3 with changes" [mediawiki/extensions/Poll] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17645
[09:25:33] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: jan; "Verified to be working in a test wiki" [mediawiki/extensions/Poll] (master); V: 1 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17645
[09:27:59] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Siebrand; [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17681
[09:32:04] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Mwjames; "I made a test against MW 1.19.1 and here it works (earlier it was MM 1.20) ???" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17119
[09:43:50] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Raimond Spekking; "Disable "Dont Switch Me Over"" [translatewiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17685
[09:44:20] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Raimond Spekking; [translatewiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17685
[09:47:15] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: IAlex; "Follow-up SVN r98012: pass Title objects to LogEventsList::showLogExtract()." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17686
[09:58:00] <Nikerabbit>	 nischayn22|Away: can you fix your blog? In the feed I only see first sentence with no link to read more
[10:01:28] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: IAlex; "Improve documentation of maintenance scripts." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17662
[10:06:41] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) gadgets at meta.wikimedia have gone AWOL - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39050 normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (billinghurst)
[10:07:03] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) gadgets at meta.wikimedia have gone AWOL - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39050  (10billinghurst)
[10:07:11] <sDrewth>	 woe!
[10:07:51] <Brooke>	 Hmmmm.
[10:10:12] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) gadgets at meta.wikimedia have gone AWOL - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39050  +comment (10Danny B.)
[10:10:49] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) gadgets at meta.wikimedia have gone AWOL - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39050  +comment (10MZMcBride)
[10:13:05] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) gadgets at meta.wikimedia have gone AWOL - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39050  +comment (10Danny B.)
[10:18:09] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Siebrand; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17662
[10:18:54] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Matanya; "(Bug 39046) Upgrade script for MySQL missing table msg_resource_links" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17687
[10:21:23] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Matanya; "(Bug 39046) Upgrade script for MySQL missing table msg_resource_links" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17687
[10:22:44] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Upgrade script for MySQL missing table msg_resource_links - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39046   +patch-need-review; +comment (10matanya)
[10:26:57] <wikibugs>	 14(DUP) gadgets at meta.wikimedia have gone AWOL - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39050  +comment (10Max Semenik)
[10:26:58] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Gadget cache issues - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37228  +comment (10Max Semenik)
[10:32:56] <wikibugs>	 14(INVALID) E-Mail should be a required field - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38580  +comment (10Platonides)
[10:36:18] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: jan; "1. The table you want to add is already added by patch-msg_resource.sql" [mediawiki/core] (master) C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17687
[10:36:21] <Danny_B|backup>	 sDrewth: i've put them back
[10:36:45] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Mwjames; "Introduce SMWExportPrinter" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17675
[10:51:04] <sDrewth>	 woohoo thx Danny_B|backup 
[11:00:27] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Full protection expiry should not affect semi-protection - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39038  (10matanya)
[11:04:07] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) tools broken 1.16.5 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39034  +comment (10matanya)
[11:05:56] <zerodamage>	 Looking for the right place to discuss but here goes: Are there any plans to support animated SVG's on mediawiki (thinking of wikipedia)? I've found a few places where they mention tools for conversion to both APNG and GIF, both involving intermediate frame-by-frame rendering and recompression.
[11:06:42] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) tools broken 1.16.5 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39034  +comment (10Brandon Sky)
[11:07:01] <matanya>	 zerodamage: might be better to ask on #wikimedia-tech not on sunday
[11:07:12] <zerodamage>	 alright
[11:08:58] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) E-Mail should be a required field - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38580  +comment (10Incarus)
[11:20:11] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Incomplete i18n for log entries - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39045  +comment (10Jan Luca)
[11:28:05] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Incomplete i18n for log entries - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39045  +comment (10Siebrand)
[11:30:03] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Mwjames; "SRF Syndication Feed printer (RSS/Atom) (related to bug 38636)" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticResultFormats] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17666
[11:36:11] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Mwjames; "SRF Syndication Feed printer (RSS/Atom) (related to bug 38636)" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticResultFormats] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17666
[11:43:12] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Categories appearance in Google Chrome - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39047  +comment (10Meno25)
[11:43:32] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Burthsceh; "New extension - RevisionCommentSupplement" [mediawiki/extensions/RevisionCommentSupplement] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17688
[11:50:23] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) \acute not working inside \mbox in MathJax - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38722  +comment (10Derk-Jan Hartman)
[12:05:24] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Accesskeys in tooltips should use “ctrl-option-” prefix - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36329  +comment (10matanya)
[12:09:06] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Categories appearance in Google Chrome - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39047  normal->minor;  +upstream; +comment (10Derk-Jan Hartman)
[12:24:06] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Accesskeys in tooltips should use “ctrl-option-” prefix - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36329  +comment (10Niklas Laxström)
[12:30:08] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Accesskeys in tooltips should use “ctrl-option-” prefix - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36329  +comment (10matanya)
[12:32:15] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Siebrand; "Thank you! I thought this was a FF14 issue." [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17689
[12:34:19] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Typo shows Username and Password in log - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38909  (10carchaias)
[12:35:49] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Typo shows Username and Password in log - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38909  (10carchaias)
[12:35:59] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Unable to change file extension while uploading file - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34703  +comment (10Marcin Cieślak)
[12:41:24] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) It should be possible to work on description/license/metadata before upload completes - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39051 normal; MediaWiki extensions: UploadWizard; (marcin.cieslak)
[12:46:08] <wikibugs>	 14(DUP) It should be possible to work on description/license/metadata before upload completes - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39051  +comment (10matanya)
[12:46:08] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) UploadWizard should use the upload time to let uploader provide picture information (categories or description) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37462  +comment (10matanya)
[12:50:39] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) mwe-upwiz-deeds-macro-prompt: Parse error at position 74 in input - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39052 major; MediaWiki extensions: UploadWizard; (maarten)
[12:50:40] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) UploadWizard: Wiki Loves Monuments contest issues (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37144  (10Maarten Dammers)
[12:52:14] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Enable import on nds.wp - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38943  +comment (10Marcus Buck)
[12:53:26] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Crtl+Shift+R closes Factbox - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38809  +comment (10Michael Allan)
[12:53:48] <saper>	 matanya: thanks, did search could not find it :(
[12:54:53] <matanya>	 saper: just thought about it a few weeks ago, and found it was there already. so I remembered the desc, was easy to find after that.
[12:56:48] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Enable import on nds.wp - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38943  +comment (10matanya)
[12:57:54] <saper>	 matanya: now searching the bug for the uploading feature "from here" i.e. - use the category the user is in right now
[12:58:12] <wikibugs>	 03(ASSIGNED) Add Canada in French to the monuments database - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38309  +comment (10Maarten Dammers)
[12:58:23] <matanya>	 don't remember such a bug
[12:59:05] <saper>	 but I think it's a more generic MediaWiki/Uploading problem; let's try with core
[12:59:43] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Siebrand; "Remove use of a global in a hook." [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17659
[13:07:19] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) New file uploaded should inherit category where upload was started - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39053 enhancement; MediaWiki: Uploading; (marcin.cieslak)
[13:07:34] <saper>	 matanya: ^ probably a dupe too
[13:07:55] <matanya>	 yes, it is. can you mark it please?
[13:10:11] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Matanya; "(Bug 35987) Clarify change password on Special:ChangeEmail" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17690
[13:11:37] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Matanya; "(Bug 35987) Clarify change password on Special:ChangeEmail" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17690
[13:12:20] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Ambiguous "Password:" header on Special:ChangeEmail - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35987  +comment (10matanya)
[13:14:30] <Dantman>	 Isn't my system beautiful? Sometimes Firefox freezes and I have to force quit it... The UI will sit there and I'll have to open up my Activity Monitor and also force quit ReportCrash which is sitting there taking up 99% of the cpu doing nothing ;)
[13:14:43] <Dantman>	 ie: ;) I have to crash the crash reporter
[13:19:23] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Chughakshay16; "HTML form templates" [mediawiki/extensions/ConventionExtension] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14054
[13:24:46] <jubo2>	 is Semantic MediaWiki the preferred method of inputting and querying values ?
[13:25:04] <matanya>	 Dantman: windows?
[13:25:14] <Dantman>	 matanya: Nah, OS X
[13:25:30] <jubo2>	 We need to automatically build lists from properties
[13:25:39] <matanya>	 Dantman: so, you deserve it :P
[13:25:52] <Dantman>	 eh?
[13:26:15] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Chughakshay16; "HTML form templates - fixed the issues pointed out in my previous changeset" [mediawiki/extensions/ConventionExtension] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14054
[13:26:43] <matanya>	 Dantman: just kidding
[13:31:12] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Accesskeys in tooltips for Firefox 14 on Mac should use “ctrl-option-” prefix - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36329  -patch -patch-need-review ; summary (10Krinkle)
[13:31:24] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Accesskeys in tooltips for Firefox 14 on Mac should use “ctrl-option-” prefix - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36329  (10Krinkle)
[13:31:45] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Krinkle; "Also add release notes." [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17689
[13:32:59] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) IP Block query fails with External auth - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38907  +comment (10Steve Walsh)
[13:33:11] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Suggestion: Rename "Bad image list" to better title - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/14281  +comment (10Paine Ellsworth)
[13:46:29] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Siebrand; [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17659
[13:50:36] <EugeneK-->	 Hey everyone
[13:50:56] <EugeneK-->	 I'm curious: what type should I use for semantically storing IP addresses in my wiki
[13:51:07] <EugeneK-->	 The complete list of data types in SMW is here http://semantic-mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Properties_and_types#List_of_datatypes
[13:51:20] <EugeneK-->	 Yet it doesn't seem to answer my question
[13:51:50] <EugeneK-->	 Obviously, "Number" doesn't work
[13:52:09] <EugeneK-->	 And "String" leads to issues with sorting a list of IPs 
[13:52:34] <EugeneK-->	 Like you get 10.40.1.1 after 10.100.1.1
[13:52:40] <EugeneK-->	 Ideas?
[13:54:01] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Matanya; "Fixed windows issue" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17691
[13:55:03] <_Meow>	 EugeneK--: How about number?
[13:56:01] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Jeroen De Dauw; "Maybe your pull got messed up or so? I renamed that file and updated the entry in the autoloader stu..." [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17119
[14:00:23] <gerrit-wm>	 Change abandoned: Matanya; "duplicate" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17691
[14:01:31] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) installing huggle on fa.wikipedia.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39031  (10dalba.wiki)
[14:04:04] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Uploading MS Word files doesn't work ("File extension does not match the detected MIME type of the file") - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38432  +comment (10Derk-Jan Hartman)
[14:05:13] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) License texts missing when using campaigns in UploadWizard - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37449  +comment (10Maarten Dammers)
[14:09:14] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Crtl+Shift+R closes Factbox - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38809  +comment (10DaSch)
[14:12:18] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Uploading MS Word files doesn't work ("File extension does not match the detected MIME type of the file") - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38432  +comment (10Derk-Jan Hartman)
[14:24:12] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Uploading MS Word files doesn't work ("File extension does not match the detected MIME type of the file") - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38432  +comment (10Derk-Jan Hartman)
[14:32:02] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Burthsceh; "Add the list of contributors of MediaWiki" [mediawiki/extensions/RevisionCommentSupplement] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17692
[14:39:44] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Siebrand; "L10n and i18n tweaks." [mediawiki/extensions/ReplaceText] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17693
[14:41:21] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Siebrand; [mediawiki/extensions/ReplaceText] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17693
[14:42:02] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Burthsceh; [mediawiki/extensions/RevisionCommentSupplement] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17692
[14:42:10] <thedj>	 Tim-away: around ?
[14:42:18] <thedj>	 Tim-away: ZipDirectoryReader: Fatal error: trailing bytes after the end of the file comment
[14:42:36] <thedj>	 is that necessarily a fatal ?
[14:44:53] <johnduhart>	 !seen sumanah
[14:45:23] <johnduhart>	 !seen Varnent
[14:46:58] <johnduhart>	 !seen chughakshay16 
[14:47:03] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Uploading MS Word files doesn't work ("File extension does not match the detected MIME type of the file") - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38432  +comment (10Derk-Jan Hartman)
[14:47:50] <johnduhart>	 !seen freakolowsky
[14:50:09] <johnduhart>	 <unili436> Last time freakolowsky was speaking was 1 hour 57 minutes 39 seconds ago in , doing action ID 4096.
[14:50:14] <johnduhart>	 That can't be right...
[14:50:20] <johnduhart>	 !seen johnduhart
[14:50:31] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Siebrand; "Support GENDER in 'passwordreset-emailelement'." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17694
[14:53:00] <johnduhart>	 Can't believe I have to play internet detective to get ahold of someone reponsible for gsoc
[14:57:50] <thedj>	 johnduhart: sumanah is on vacation
[14:57:58] <johnduhart>	 I figured that much
[14:58:17] <gerrit-wm>	 Change abandoned: Matanya; "duplicate" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17695
[14:58:25] <johnduhart>	 But finding ashkay or his mentor on IRC is impossible
[14:59:06] <johnduhart>	 And I don't want to bring this to the mailing list but that looks like how it's gonna have to be
[14:59:29] <thedj>	 johnduhart: you need varnent, and if you can't get a hold of him, try robla tomorrow
[14:59:47] <matanya>	 how do I upload a fixed patch to gerrit?
[15:00:14] <johnduhart>	 thedj: Thanks, I've been trying to get ahold of him for awhile but I haven't had much success, plus he said he would follow up on this but never did
[15:00:17] <thedj>	 matanya: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Git/Workflow#Improving_a_change
[15:00:25] <matanya>	 thanks
[15:00:37] <aharoni>	 matanya: did you do `git commit --amend'?
[15:00:40] <thedj>	 johnduhart: then try robla tomorrow.
[15:00:48] <matanya>	 aharoni: I did
[15:00:57] <aharoni>	 matanya: so it's the same `git review'
[15:01:47] <matanya>	 it fails with: http://etherpad.wikimedia.org/xZLrPEASWV
[15:03:12] <matanya>	 @ aharoni ^
[15:03:37] <thedj>	 matanya: like it says in the error
[15:03:51] <thedj>	 you put something under the change-id.
[15:04:01] <aharoni>	 matanya: try doing `git commit --amend' again, but put "Fixed issues raised by krinkle" before the first "Change-Id" line.
[15:04:15] <aharoni>	 Make sure that the "Change-Id" is always the last.
[15:04:49] <matanya>	 lets see what happens now
[15:05:37] <matanya>	 worked, thank you both
[15:05:48] <matanya>	 where is gerrit-wm ?
[15:06:36] <aharoni>	 i don't know, but you are probably referring to https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/17689/ , so it's in.
[15:07:01] <matanya>	 yes, I have seen. hope it looks better now
[15:07:30] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Siebrand; "Fix gender." [mediawiki/extensions/EducationProgram] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17696
[15:09:20] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Tbleher; "Fix a few DumpHTML issues:" [mediawiki/extensions/DumpHTML] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17697
[15:13:08] <thedj>	 matanya: it should probably also use tabs instead of spaces for indentation.
[15:13:29] <matanya>	 It does, or I miss understood you
[15:13:39] <matanya>	 *misunderstood
[15:18:21] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Tbleher; "I just updated my wiki to current trunk of SMW, and it is now working again. After updating, I first..." [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/15627
[15:19:25] <aharoni>	 matanya: see line 59. Gerrit diff makes it stand out.
[15:20:45] <aharoni>	 matanya: actually, i'm not completely right. line 59 has spaces at the end of the line. but all the new lines have spaces instead of tabs. compare it with the other lines, which are shown with "»" marks for tabs.
[15:21:10] <aharoni>	 Maybe your text editor automatically corrects tabs to spaces.
[15:21:20] <matanya>	 weird. I'm using vim
[15:21:33] <matanya>	 does it do it by default?
[15:23:09] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Tbleher; "This change has been live on http://spiele.j-crew.de for a few months now. You can see the generated..." [mediawiki/extensions/DumpHTML] (master) C: 1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17697
[15:24:18] <matanya>	 found it: set expandtab
[15:30:11] <matanya>	 aharoni: something is broken there
[15:41:16] * Dantman  wonder's what Tim's position on password storage would be if someone brought up scrypt

[15:50:32] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Closure of su.wikibooks.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39054 normal; Wikimedia: Site configuration; (mfwarburg)
[15:50:49] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Closure of su.wikibooks.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39054  (10MF-Warburg)
[15:50:51] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Wikis ready for closing (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/28985  (10MF-Warburg)
[16:07:49] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Markus Kroetzsch; "Merging now. Passing the actual store object to DIhandlers should still be implemented (in a separat..." [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17486
[16:07:49] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Markus Kroetzsch; [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17486
[16:19:09] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) "Drag to new location" broken. Uncaught TypeError: Cannot read property 'length' of undefined - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37085  (10mybugs.mail)
[16:19:09] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) [regression] Dragging to new location is broken - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31809  (10mybugs.mail)
[16:20:24] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) [regression] Dragging to new location is broken - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31809  (10mybugs.mail)
[16:21:48] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Drag and drop of post does not work - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/29451  (10mybugs.mail)
[16:21:51] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) [regression] Dragging to new location is broken - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31809  (10mybugs.mail)
[16:23:58] <matanya>	 Krinkle: can you mentor me a bit?
[16:24:27] <Krinkle>	 That depends to what extend, when you need it and what the subject is.
[16:24:35] <Krinkle>	 I'm currently at the airport, so you've got 20 minutes
[16:24:49] <Krinkle>	 or rather, I have 20 minutes of potential boredom
[16:24:57] <Krinkle>	 but you could make that more exciting :)
[16:24:57] <matanya>	 I uploaded a patch today, you have reviewed it
[16:25:18] <Krinkle>	 sounds good. Got a link?
[16:25:24] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Moving a post relies on mouse - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/25037  (10mybugs.mail)
[16:25:29] <Krinkle>	 https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/17689/
[16:25:31] <Krinkle>	 right
[16:25:31] <matanya>	 I struggled some time and uploaded a
[16:25:43] <matanya>	 https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/17689/
[16:25:47] <Krinkle>	 oh, 4 versions already?
[16:26:08] <matanya>	 yes, I'm unable to get rid of the spaces
[16:26:20] <Krinkle>	 ?
[16:26:30] <matanya>	 but I think The patch itself it ok (Unless I miss something)
[16:26:37] <Krinkle>	 What do you mean. You don't have a backspace key on your keyboard (excuse the pun)
[16:26:37] <matanya>	 see the diff
[16:27:13] <Krinkle>	 https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/17689/2..4/resources/mediawiki/mediawiki.util.js,unified
[16:27:13] <matanya>	 no, I use vim and it replaces tabs with spaces, no matter how I change my .vimrc
[16:27:37] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Victor Vasiliev; "Please fix the parser tests. I have two of them broken by this patch." [mediawiki/extensions/Cite] (master) C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11737
[16:27:55] <Krinkle>	 Well, what can I say. Use a competent graphical editor, not something complicated/ancient as nano/vim/emacs (unless you know how to use it)
[16:28:18] * matanya  is shocked

[16:28:23] <Krinkle>	 matanya: What operating system are you on? (Mac, Linux, Windows)
[16:28:36] <matanya>	 vim is the best editor ever. I'm on linux
[16:29:29] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Closure of su.wikibooks.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39054   +shell; +comment (10Krenair)
[16:29:38] <Krinkle>	 google is our friend
[16:29:41] <Krinkle>	 maybe this helps: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1562336/tab-vs-space-preferences-in-vim
[16:29:48] <Krinkle>	 (I don't know vim)
[16:29:53] <Krinkle>	 well, I know it, but I don't use it
[16:30:49] <matanya>	 I used that, didn't work
[16:30:58] <matanya>	 on gedit I see the spaces
[16:33:09] <matanya>	 Krinkle: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/17689/5/resources/mediawiki/mediawiki.util.js
[16:34:33] <Krinkle>	 sorry, I can't help you then. I'll test it when I get home, and I'll also convert the spaces to tabs if not done by then. But I can't merge it with messy whitespace.
[16:36:40] <Krinkle>	 matanya: Did you try disabling et / expandtab ? 
[16:36:42] <Krinkle>	 http://vimdoc.sourceforge.net/htmldoc/options.html#'expandtab'
[16:37:16] <matanya>	 yes, I even removed it completely 
[16:37:35] <Krinkle>	 e.g. setting it explicitly to 'off'
[16:39:45] * Krinkle  yawns. Another 20 minutes apparently.

[16:39:58] <matanya>	 yes
[16:44:20] <matanya>	 Krinkle: fixed. please review: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/17689/8/resources/mediawiki/mediawiki.util.js
[16:44:44] <Krinkle>	 matanya: Did you test it?
[16:45:02] <matanya>	 yes, not sure it works. I have a mac on a VM
[16:45:02] <Krinkle>	 (foo ? bar) looks broken
[16:45:18] <Krinkle>	 there is no need for a ternary there
[16:45:19] * matanya  retires. 

[16:45:34] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Missing and redundant dropspots when dragging a thread - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/26237  (10mybugs.mail)
[16:45:36] <Krinkle>	 I take it you removed the : part because it was redundant, but the other half should go as well ;-)
[16:45:59] <Krinkle>	 matanya: + indent the body of 'Firefox 14+ on Mac' one tab further
[16:46:16] <Krinkle>	 56-58
[16:48:14] <matanya>	 Krinkle: this way?  https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/17689/9/resources/mediawiki/mediawiki.util.js
[16:48:27] <Krinkle>	 Hm.. is there no notication bot in this channel?
[16:48:42] <matanya>	 it is dead since this morning
[16:48:54] <matanya>	 but some do get inside from time to time
[16:49:09] <matanya>	 there was one about 20min ago
[16:49:17] <Krinkle>	 matanya: well.. the `else if ( .. ` should not be intended, only the hierarchal body
[16:49:34] <Krinkle>	 and the ternary is still broken
[16:49:47] <Krinkle>	 util.tooltipAccessKeyPrefix = ( profile.platform === 'mac' // Safari on Mac ? 'ctrl-option-');
[16:49:53] <Krinkle>	 util.tooltipAccessKeyPrefix = 'ctrl-option-';
[16:49:55] <Krinkle>	 :)
[16:51:07] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) [regression] Dragging to new location is broken in some cases - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31809  (10mybugs.mail)
[16:53:31] <matanya>	 Krinkle: but then there is not ) for ( profile.platform === 'mac'
[16:53:54] <Krinkle>	 look again
[16:53:59] <Krinkle>	 there will be no ( profile.platform === 'mac'
[16:55:46] <matanya>	 oh, it sould be: && profile.layoutVersion > 526 ) {
[16:55:47] <matanya>	 				util.tooltipAccessKeyPrefix = 'ctrl-option-';
[16:55:52] <Krinkle>	 yeah
[16:55:55] <matanya>	 got it
[16:56:01] <matanya>	 jee, I;m slow
[16:56:06] <matanya>	 *'
[16:57:07] <matanya>	 https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/17689/10/resources/mediawiki/mediawiki.util.js
[16:57:14] <matanya>	 final version, I hope
[16:58:23] <matanya>	 Krinkle: ^
[17:00:16] <Brooke>	 <MaxSem> I've ruined your test case and closed your bug.
[17:00:34] <Brooke>	 Thx!
[17:01:02] <Nikerabbit>	 did you try to use the accessKeyLabel?
[17:01:49] <matanya>	 Nikerabbit: me?
[17:04:54] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: IAlex; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17694
[17:11:15] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: IAlex; "Rebuild MessagesEn.php" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17699
[17:21:00] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Raimond Spekking; "Some i18n review" [mediawiki/extensions/RevisionCommentSupplement] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17692
[17:26:29] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Mwjames; "Enable gallery images to be redirected to another target" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticResultFormats] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17700
[17:37:06] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Mwjames; "Enable gallery images to be redirected to another target" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticResultFormats] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17700
[17:39:15] <jeremyb>	 Dantman: good (secretkey)
[17:43:44] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Mwjames; "Yeah ... this is the final commit for SRF 1.8 ..." [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticResultFormats] (master) C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17700
[17:46:38] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Siebrand; "Fix grammar issue and add quotes around parameters." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17701
[17:48:27] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Mwjames; "I did tested it, but since this one has no dependencies I'll do another round of testing ones the SM..." [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16720
[17:49:32] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Siebrand; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17701
[17:53:50] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) tablesorter (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31601  (10Liangent)
[17:53:50] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Enhance tablesorter to avoid using display: none; hacks - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39055 normal; MediaWiki: JavaScript; (liangent)
[17:57:40] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Enhance tablesorter to avoid using display: none; hacks - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39055  +comment (10Niklas Laxström)
[18:08:40] <wikibugs>	 14(WFM) Enhance tablesorter to avoid using display: none; hacks - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39055  +comment (10Derk-Jan Hartman)
[18:23:20] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Page always exists in insert link from edit toolbar - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39030  (10kimmo.virtanen)
[18:28:54] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: IAlex; "Tests are failing due a conflict between your change and another change in the repo. Please rebase y..." [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17690
[18:50:09] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Matanya; "(Bug 35987) Clarify change password on Special:ChangeEmail" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17690
[18:58:19] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) LQT doesn't handle error conditions from the api - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/28132  (10mybugs.mail)
[18:59:38] <wikibugs>	 14(INVALID) Create cultural-partnerships-l to migrate from the wikimedia.ch to lists.wikimedia.org server - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38254  +comment (10Nemo_bis)
[19:03:24] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Upgrade script for MySQL missing table msg_resource_links - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39046  +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[19:08:08] <wikibugs>	 14(INVALID) Upgrade script for MySQL missing table msg_resource_links - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39046  +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[19:11:06] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) SyntaxHighlight CSS not included in Special:Cite page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39049  normal->15enhancement; +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[19:11:52] <Jarry1250>	 Lydia_WMDE: Around?
[19:12:25] <Lydia_WMDE>	 Jarry1250: somewhat - how can i help you?
[19:12:53] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Categories appearance in Google Chrome - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39047  +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[19:13:09] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Siebrand; "Use Message class where possible." [mediawiki/extensions/ConfirmAccount] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17702
[19:13:23] <Jarry1250>	 Lydia: Thought it might be time for a second Wikidata story in the Tech Report -- not sure yet but I figure I might have questions e.g. has a date been set yet for hu.wp?
[19:13:31] <Jarry1250>	 No, that's wrong
[19:13:47] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Siebrand; "Use Message class where possible." [mediawiki/extensions/ConfirmAccount] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17702
[19:14:04] <Lydia_WMDE>	 Jarry1250: oh yes that'd be wonderful
[19:14:10] <Lydia_WMDE>	 and no - no clear date set yet
[19:14:26] <Jarry1250>	 (No, I was right :) Thought it might be ma.wp for a second there.) Vaguely?
[19:14:49] <Lydia_WMDE>	 "soon" :D
[19:14:54] <Lydia_WMDE>	 but i really can't say
[19:15:08] <Lydia_WMDE>	 it depends among other things on how fast the devs at the foundation review the code
[19:15:25] <Jarry1250>	 Okay, well the deal is I'll quote you on "soon" then :P
[19:15:47] <Lydia_WMDE>	 haha
[19:15:49] <Lydia_WMDE>	 please don't
[19:16:22] <Lydia_WMDE>	 otoh
[19:16:25] <Jarry1250>	 Well I have to put something :P "shortly" is my usual vague term if it helps
[19:16:32] <Lydia_WMDE>	 ok
[19:16:34] <Lydia_WMDE>	 alright :P
[19:17:22] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Siebrand; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17699
[19:19:23] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Siebrand; "Typo in first line of commit message. I think this was also pointed out by a reviewer of patch set 1." [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticResultFormats] (master); V: 0 C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17055
[19:35:00] <codurr>	 03raymond * <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/115641> 10/trunk/extensions/ (17 files in 17 dirs): Localisation updates from http://translatewiki.net.
[19:37:07] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Mwjames; "Add dependancy on htmlProcessingElement" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticResultFormats] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17055
[19:38:47] <gerrit-wm>	 Change abandoned: Matanya; "bad patch from bugzilla" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17687
[19:41:14] <matanya>	 Reedy: can you mentor me a sec?
[19:41:41] <Reedy>	 I can try..
[19:42:15] <matanya>	 I have a patch, but it fails due to conflict
[19:42:49] <matanya>	 how can I rebase my local repo and then amend my previous submission?
[19:43:04] <matanya>	 https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/17690/
[19:43:30] <Reedy>	 git review -d 17690
[19:43:33] <Reedy>	 git rebase origin
[19:43:37] <Reedy>	 <fix any conflicts>
[19:43:42] <Reedy>	 git add conflictedfile
[19:43:48] <Reedy>	 git rebase --continue
[19:43:52] <Reedy>	 git commit -a --amend
[19:45:39] <Reedy>	 git review -R
[19:46:17] <matanya>	 ! [remote rejected] HEAD -> refs/publish/master/bug/35987 (no changes made)
[19:46:18] <wm-bot>	 ok, you just typed an exclamation mark with no meaning in the channel, good job. If you want to see a list of all keys, check !botbrain
[19:46:18] <matanya>	 error: failed to push some refs to 'ssh://matanya@gerrit.wikimedia.org:29418/mediawiki/core.git'
[19:47:02] <Reedy>	 so it would seem there are no changes that have been made to the revision.
[19:47:12] <matanya>	 but I did
[19:47:21] <matanya>	 that is the weird thing
[19:50:57] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Reedy; "(Bug 35987) Clarify change password on Special:ChangeEmail" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17690
[19:51:38] <Reedy>	 Looks like it was based on quite an old revision
[19:53:05] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Reedy; "New message needs adding to messages.inc" [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17690
[19:54:32] <matanya>	 I give up with this
[19:56:43] <Reedy>	 When you tried to resolve the conflict, what did you do?
[19:57:04] <matanya>	 exactly what you wrote above
[19:57:10] <matanya>	 step by step
[19:57:18] <Reedy>	 No, but for fixing the conflicted file
[19:57:23] <Reedy>	 What did you change in it?
[19:57:32] <matanya>	 added my change
[19:57:44] <matanya>	 it was overridden by the newer version
[19:58:58] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Mwjames; "Add dependency on htmlProcessingElement()" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticResultFormats] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17055
[19:59:39] <Reedy>	 So, to fix hte conflict, I took your change of message key, and put it in the correct place from the verison from trunk
[19:59:56] <Reedy>	 removed the conflict markers, and the old change from the file
[20:00:04] <Reedy>	 then git add file/git rebase --continue
[20:04:09] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Matanya; "(Bug 35987) Clarify change password on Special:ChangeEmail" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17690
[20:04:36] <matanya>	 I tried now. Lets see if it works
[20:04:58] <matanya>	 no, It doesn't
[20:05:09] <matanya>	 but the fixes are there. at least that
[20:05:19] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) 3-Aug nightly build is not internationalized, even though there are completed languages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39056 normal; WikiLoves Monuments Mobile: General; (amir.aharoni)
[20:08:10] <matanya>	 Reedy: I didn't understand your commit message
[20:08:39] <matanya>	 there is a " and a comma
[20:08:51] * matanya  is such a nooooob

[20:09:26] <Reedy>	 You didn't terminate the string (") and then it doesn't have a comma (,) before the next entry
[20:10:38] <matanya>	 got it
[20:11:13] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Matanya; "(Bug 35987) Clarify change password on Special:ChangeEmail" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17690
[20:11:43] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) 3-Aug nightly build is not internationalized, even though there are completed languages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39056  +comment (10Yuvi Panda)
[20:15:22] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Umherirrender; "Fix wrong return value in Preprocessor::getChildrenOfType" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17770
[20:15:35] <ialex>	 matanya: you did not get any error message while rebasing/resolving conflict?
[20:15:50] <matanya>	 no, not even one
[20:16:51] <wikibugs>	 14(DUP) ResourceLoader should support lang=qqx parameter - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39028  +comment (10Robin Pepermans (SPQRobin))
[20:16:53] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) The qqx language cannot show names of messages used in JavaScripts - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31961  +comment (10Robin Pepermans (SPQRobin))
[20:19:33] <Danny_B|backup>	 SPQRobin: qqx?
[20:19:58] <SPQRobin>	 Danny_B|backup: try and see :p
[20:20:10] <SPQRobin>	 Danny_B|backup: it's to see the message keys
[20:20:44] <ialex>	 matanya: did you run git fetch origin or git fetch gerrit recently?
[20:20:56] <matanya>	 yes, I did
[20:21:10] <matanya>	 as requested by reed.y above
[20:21:12] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jarry1250; "Local changes" [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17771
[20:21:13] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jarry1250; "Add FCFontFinder::findFamily()" [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17772
[20:21:29] <gerrit-wm>	 Change abandoned: Jarry1250; "(no reason)" [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17771
[20:22:19] <Jarry1250>	 I keep doing that, very annoying, should remember to use topic branches.
[20:23:55] * Danny_B|backup  dislikes abusing of thing for semantically incorrect meanings just because it's easy

[20:24:38] <Danny_B|backup>	 message description != language (qqq), message key != language (qqx)
[20:24:57] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) "drag to new location": when moving a reply (down under a thread) to become a new thread and leaving new subject (required) open: ApiThreadAction crashes with "Error: no-valid-subject: undefined" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/29320  (10mybugs.mail)
[20:24:57] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Error: no-valid-subject: undefined when trying to move a comment from one topic to another - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/25457  (10mybugs.mail)
[20:29:48] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jarry1250; "Add FCFontFinder::findFamily()" [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17772
[20:31:49] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Jarry1250; "Tested and it works, at least." [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17772
[20:35:36] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Document-centric semantic wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/26119  (10contrafibularity)
[20:36:10] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Chughakshay16; "Util classes for the extension(fixed the issues pointed out earlier)" [mediawiki/extensions/ConventionExtension] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14051
[20:37:52] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Parsoid: Export as TEI XML - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37934  (10contrafibularity)
[20:38:49] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Kaldari; "Several small fixes..." [mediawiki/extensions/PageTriage] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17667
[20:38:58] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Splitting and merging with the drag and drop feature under the menu is broken - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/24476  (10mybugs.mail)
[20:39:21] <wikibugs>	 04(REOPENED) Upgrade script for MySQL missing table msg_resource_links - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39046  +comment (10Patrick Uiterwijk)
[20:45:09] <wikibugs>	 14(INVALID) Upgrade script for MySQL missing table msg_resource_links - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39046  +comment (10Patrick Uiterwijk)
[20:46:06] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) LQT add two spinners and makes two requests per click on "Preview" button - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35524  (10mybugs.mail)
[20:46:07] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Double load spinner on preview after second time - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/26290  (10mybugs.mail)
[20:47:05] <wikibugs>	 14(WFM) SVG to PNG conversion broken for text - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/17187  +comment (10matanya)
[20:49:33] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) LQT does not prevent double posting of replies - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/26705  (10mybugs.mail)
[20:49:33] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) LQT shouldn't accept duplicated posts on the same page/thread - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/29786  (10mybugs.mail)
[20:49:43] <wikibugs>	 14(WFM) Duplicate article_attachment row when an attachment is sent from AgentTicketCompose - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/17706  +comment (10matanya)
[20:49:58] <factor>	 I do a purge action but i cant seem to get rid of the old css and have it load the new one
[20:50:00] <factor>	 what do I need to do to get it to read the new css
[20:50:18] <Amgine>	 purge your browser cache?
[20:50:38] <factor>	 finally worked after purging a few times.
[20:50:50] <factor>	 may have hit my browser cache now
[20:51:02] <factor>	 change a line where it picked up the css as well in my ext.
[20:52:09] <johnduhart>	 !seen chughakshay16 
[20:54:59] <smokie>	 hey guys, is there a way to easyly add images to pages?
[20:55:12] <smokie>	 do i have to upload the image first and then add it to the page?
[20:56:49] <Jarry1250>	 smokie: That's usually the way, yes.
[20:56:52] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Watchlist, LiquidThreads and Echo notifications need to be unified - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/20541  (10mybugs.mail)
[20:57:35] <smokie>	 Jarry1250, is there an easier way to do it? like upload the image in the page im editing? maybe using an extension of some sort?
[20:57:45] <ialex>	 smokie: or if you can configure the wiki, you can set $wgAllowExternalImages = true; in LocalSettings.php
[20:57:50] <ialex>	 see https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgAllowExternalImages
[20:59:10] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Merge "new messages" with "my talkpage" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/21610  (10mybugs.mail)
[21:03:36] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Kaldari; "Add 'All' category to tagging wizard" [mediawiki/extensions/PageTriage] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16803
[21:04:46] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Kaldari; "Add 'All' category to tagging wizard" [mediawiki/extensions/PageTriage] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16803
[21:05:12] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Colour-dependent positioning errors in SVG rasterisation - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/18936  +comment (10matanya)
[21:05:24] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) New Messages count is not updated after marking all threads as read - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/24292  (10mybugs.mail)
[21:08:09] <Jarry1250>	 Lydia_WMDE: Bleh, not going to get round to writing that story this evening, will someone be around (on IRC) tomorrow from the Wikidata gang?
[21:08:33] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Kaldari; [mediawiki/extensions/PageTriage] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16803
[21:08:35] <Lydia_WMDE>	 Jarry1250: jep :)
[21:08:50] <Lydia_WMDE>	 i'll be around unless i fall asleep
[21:08:50] <Jarry1250>	 Okay, great :)
[21:09:01] <Jarry1250>	 No slacking :P
[21:09:06] <Lydia_WMDE>	 but others will probably too
[21:09:07] <Lydia_WMDE>	 haha
[21:09:07] <Lydia_WMDE>	 ok
[21:09:27] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) VisualEditor: When "Error saving data to server: Unsuccessful request: error." the spinner for saving doesn't go away - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37837  +comment (10Liangent)
[21:10:36] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) The "Error saving data to server: Unsuccessful request: error." message is too unclear - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39057 normal; MediaWiki extensions: VisualEditor; (liangent)
[21:10:45] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) VisualEditor: When "Error saving data to server: Unsuccessful request: error." the spinner for saving doesn't go away - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37837  +comment (10Liangent)
[21:11:35] <wikibugs>	 14(WFM) Please enable variant ShortURLs for Chinese Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/19019  +comment (10matanya)
[21:14:39] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) VisualEditor fails when I play with single quotes - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39058 normal; MediaWiki extensions: VisualEditor; (liangent)
[21:15:42] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Unexpected wikitext change in VisualEditor - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39059 normal; MediaWiki extensions: VisualEditor; (liangent)
[21:20:40] <wikibugs>	 14(INVALID) SUL on usability.wikimedia.org for migrated users doesn't work - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/19054  +comment (10matanya)
[21:21:19] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Can't login to some local attached accounts, said not to exist - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39060 major; MediaWiki extensions: CentralAuth; (federicoleva)
[21:21:19] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Kaldari; [mediawiki/extensions/PageTriage] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16705
[21:21:27] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Can't login to some local attached accounts, said not to exist - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39060  (10Nemo_bis)
[21:22:40] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Meta changes notification will be useful - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39061 enhancement; MediaWiki: API; (mwbugzilla)
[21:22:57] <wikibugs>	 14(WFM) HTTP 500 Error when loading some articles - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/19373  +comment (10matanya)
[21:23:21] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Prevent creation of new (unattached?) SUL accounts with already unified names - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/29234  +comment (10Nemo_bis)
[21:24:15] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Deleted contributions show as empty list items on Special:Contributions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39062 normal; MediaWiki: Special pages; (robinp.1273)
[21:24:46] <wikibugs>	 14(INVALID) SVGs with no size are rendered as 512x512 and thus losing correct aspect ratio - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/19543  +comment (10matanya)
[21:24:59] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Deleted contributions show as empty list items on Special:Contributions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39062   +code-update-regression (10Robin Pepermans (SPQRobin))
[21:26:34] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Extension Drafts for cs.wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/19909  +comment (10matanya)
[21:27:50] <wikibugs>	 14(INVALID) Suggestions/autocomplete in search box mis-capitalizes first letter - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/20190  +comment (10matanya)
[21:31:03] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Kaldari; "Adding tooltips to the curation toolbar buttons." [mediawiki/extensions/PageTriage] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16556
[21:32:43] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Kaldari; "Adding tooltips to the curation toolbar buttons." [mediawiki/extensions/PageTriage] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16556
[21:40:52] <Estronia>	 Im new to php/html when i make a wiki page what do i do when i have a [img] link how can i change that so it appears on the page?
[21:41:11] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: IAlex; "Use a better message when a revision is not found." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17773
[21:44:59] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Siebrand; "Use Message class where possible." [mediawiki/extensions/ConfirmAccount] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17702
[21:46:18] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Siebrand; "All comments addressed in next patch set. Thanks for the review." [mediawiki/extensions/ConfirmAccount] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17702
[21:52:24] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Siebrand; "Please fix. The i18n file diff shows deleted qqq." [mediawiki/extensions/PageTriage] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16803
[22:09:07] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Umherirrender; "change some rc_new to rc_type == RC_NEW" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17622
[22:16:15] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Upgrade script for MySQL missing table msg_resource_links - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39046  +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[22:17:10] <shepazu>	 I'm having a problem with http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ConfirmAccount
[22:17:47] <shepazu>	 I set $wgAccountRequestMinWords = 0; to allow users to skip the biography step, but it still requires it...
[22:17:58] <shepazu>	 anyone know what I might be doing wrong?
[22:23:22] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Extension Drafts for cs.wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/19909  +comment (10MZMcBride)
[22:26:59] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Mwjames; "Enable gallery images to be redirected to another target" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticResultFormats] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17700
[22:29:29] <freakolowsky>	 johnduhart: ping
[22:33:13] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Siebrand; "Replace double spaces by single spaces." [mediawiki/extensions/EducationProgram] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17775
[22:33:36] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Siebrand; [mediawiki/extensions/EducationProgram] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17775
[22:41:57] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Mwjames; "Enable gallery images to be redirected to another target" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticResultFormats] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17700
[22:44:05] <johnduhart>	 freakolowsky: Hi
[22:44:18] <freakolowsky>	 yo, what up
[22:44:24] <johnduhart>	 varnent: Oh good, you're here too for this
[22:44:51] <johnduhart>	 freakolowsky: I'm not at all please with what I'm seeing for your mentoring of ashkay's GSoC project
[22:44:56] <johnduhart>	 pleased*
[22:45:13] <freakolowsky>	 ?!
[22:45:17] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) E-Mail should be a required field - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38580  +comment (10MZMcBride)
[22:45:38] <johnduhart>	 freakolowsky: How much are you actually communicating with your student?
[22:46:06] <freakolowsky>	 let's saaaay 3-4 times / week
[22:46:32] <johnduhart>	 Okay, and how would you rate the work he's doing?
[22:47:18] <freakolowsky>	 erm ... fine ... he's had few moments of overcomplicating things, but he's on the right track
[22:47:38] <johnduhart>	 No, he's doing horribly freakolowsky.
[22:47:52] <freakolowsky>	 ?
[22:48:02] <johnduhart>	 First of all I have no idea if the code on gerrit is the latest, or if he's working using the github
[22:48:19] <johnduhart>	 Unless he does all his work on one night he does not commit frequently
[22:48:40] <johnduhart>	 He is not providing updates of any sort in a public place other than crossing off items in his schedule
[22:49:13] <freakolowsky>	 his code is on gerrit, but he doesn't like to put up the code before he has tested it on his own
[22:49:26] <johnduhart>	 The code he is producing looks as if he has never once heard of our Coding Standards
[22:49:47] <johnduhart>	 His code is rittled with poorly implemented solutions
[22:50:33] <johnduhart>	 freakolowsky: Addtionally you are not reviewing or merging his code, so his repo has not seen in a commit in months 
[22:51:17] <freakolowsky>	 dude it's work in progress ... i'd expect coding standards from somone who's been with this comunity a while, but not from somone that's just started ... this is one od the reasons why he's not commiting work in progress for code rerview ,...
[22:51:23] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Siebrand; "Point to login page, too and remove yelling at users." [mediawiki/extensions/Echo] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17776
[22:52:11] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Siebrand; [mediawiki/extensions/Echo] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17776
[22:52:24] <johnduhart>	 freakolowsky: It's a work in progress? I'd better hope that you can really convince him to stay past GSoC because unless this goes through major changes post-GSoC this will remain a mess that no one else will commit to, and will sit to die
[22:52:30] <freakolowsky>	 i know i'm not clicking reviews on gerrit, because i've been swamped the last two-three weeks, but i've seen all of his code, because we talk about it as he goes ... i then usually lack the moment to go into gerrint and click over the lot
[22:52:59] <johnduhart>	 "if(session_id=='')" So this is an acceptable method for checking login?
[22:53:11] <johnduhart>	 It's not even valid fucking code
[22:55:13] <freakolowsky>	 so ... this is why ppl are affraid to drop code  into gerrit before they complete it ...
[22:55:54] <freakolowsky>	 if it's not valid fuckin code it will probabbly no fuckin work and will probabbly fuckin notied
[22:56:30] <freakolowsky>	 his project has to come togeather fromall points so it's difficult to test before he get to the finish line
[22:56:32] <johnduhart>	 It would be nice if your student would reply to us when we point these things out, you know
[22:57:36] <johnduhart>	 freakolowsky: So let me ask you this, is file on the radar for being overhauled? https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/14051/3/utils/UserUtils.php
[22:57:44] <johnduhart>	 Do you even know what is wrong there?
[22:59:47] <freakolowsky>	 what ... just a bunch of statics which he uses to identify userclass on a user page?!
[23:00:38] <johnduhart>	 If you don't know what's fucking wrong with that class then you really have no place being a mentor. What's wrong is that he's querying the database directly instead of using the User classes.
[23:01:12] <freakolowsky>	 aAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA .... i guess YOU have not a clue what he's doing!!!
[23:01:21] <johnduhart>	 Oh?
[23:01:25] <jorm>	 Is there a reason why this conversation has to be so confrontational?
[23:01:42] <Krenair>	 I was about to say something like that myself. What the hell is going on here?
[23:01:58] <freakolowsky>	 i dunno ... i was SUMMONED here
[23:02:18] <johnduhart>	 What's going on here is that freakolowsky is not doing a good job of being a GSoC mentor, and since no one is else willing to fix that I am going to.
[23:02:30] <jorm>	 why do you think it is your job to do so?
[23:03:12] <johnduhart>	 jorm: Because I am pissed as fuck over the fact that someone is getting paid $5K to write this trainwreck of a MediaWiki extension
[23:03:15] <freakolowsky>	 and why do you think you not getting what akshay is doing makes it not a good job
[23:03:28] <johnduhart>	 Because no one else is following up with this besides me
[23:03:41] <johnduhart>	 freakolowsky: How am I not getting it. Tell me wise one
[23:04:19] <Krenair>	 johnduhart, if someone is doing something so terribly, this is NOT a good way to deal with it
[23:04:33] <jorm>	 i think, honestly, you should back off.
[23:04:43] <johnduhart>	 Krenair: Then what's the right way?
[23:05:04] <jorm>	 even if you're right, coming in with both barrells blazing is not the right way to get anyone to pay attention to you.
[23:05:13] <Krenair>	 Well, a calm private conversation without swearing and confrontation would be a good start.
[23:05:19] <jorm>	 in fact, you'll often find that being this aggressive has the exact opposite effect of what you want.
[23:06:10] <johnduhart>	 jorm: You know how many times I've brought this up without anyone following up? Way too many, and as GSoC is coming to a close I've run out of paitence.
[23:06:25] <johnduhart>	 freakolowsky: So, tell me waht I'm not understanding
[23:07:15] <freakolowsky>	 the whole concept of the thing he's doing ... if you must ask why he's querying DB at those points ... you're not getting the way he links pages and defines page types
[23:07:44] <freakolowsky>	 do you even know what he's doing
[23:07:48] <johnduhart>	 freakolowsky: Telling me I'm not getting it is not explaining to me why I'm not getting it, you're avoiding the question
[23:08:20] <johnduhart>	 freakolowsky: "public static function getUsername( $uid )"
[23:08:33] <johnduhart>	 Why is he not using User here?
[23:09:07] <freakolowsky>	 i don't intend to explain it ... if I must understand everything what it means being a mentor even tho it's my first time on GSoC ... and if akshay must understand everything along wioth coding convetions even tho he's fresh ... then YOU must also understand everything ...
[23:09:30] <freakolowsky>	 have you even noticed WHICH tables he's querying???
[23:09:49] <freakolowsky>	 i never saw page_properties queried in User class
[23:10:09] <johnduhart>	 freakolowsky: I'm pointing at the isUser and getUsername functions right now.
[23:10:10] <freakolowsky>	 again ... read up on his concept ... it's on his user page
[23:10:28] <johnduhart>	 The horrible idea for storing data in page_props is a whole other mess
[23:10:50] <freakolowsky>	 that's your opinipn
[23:12:12] <johnduhart>	 freakolowsky: So, let's get back to this: "if(session_id()=='')" is this how we check to see if a user is authenticated in MediaWiki?
[23:12:53] <freakolowsky>	 look it's 1am here ... i have a meeting in the morning ... i came online because i thought somone had some questions about all this ... i'm not here because you don't linek how something is done ...
[23:13:08] <TimStarling>	 that's how you check if the user has a session, you can have a session without being authenticated
[23:13:28] <johnduhart>	 TimStarling: Yes tim I know that.
[23:13:44] <johnduhart>	 freakolowsky: Then I hope you're going to have a plan to resolve this
[23:15:00] <johnduhart>	 Because if you don't, next I'm going to go to GSoC and let them know you're letting work that's not at all up to our standards be approved.
[23:16:36] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Helder.wiki; "Fix drag-and-drop and improve error handling" [mediawiki/extensions/LiquidThreads] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17777
[23:16:52] <freakolowsky>	 there are a lot of other thing we (me & akshay) have to resolve ... so excause me because we put functionality and completion of the project  before "how we do things here at Mediawiki" issue ...
[23:17:42] <TimStarling>	 GSoC project scopes are usually too large
[23:17:43] <johnduhart>	 Oh yes the, finish project, get money, and abadon it maneuver
[23:18:08] * aude  thought he had quit

[23:18:14] <TimStarling>	 if they were the right size for completion then they'd look too boring for the students
[23:18:31] <Krenair>	 freakolowsky, please, go to bed. This conversation seems to be nothing but hostility and is pointless
[23:18:31] <aude>	 i'd like him to just do a small piece of what a conference needs, such as improving the program submission part
[23:18:32] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) On protected pages, the message in its latest protection log should be displayed about the view-source box/edit box - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38764  +comment (10Nemo_bis)
[23:18:51] <johnduhart>	 Krenair: Thank, you're a true hero
[23:18:59] <Krenair>	 And johnduhart, I seriously suggest that you back off.
[23:19:06] * aude  hasn't looked at his github though......

[23:19:13] <Krenair>	 What?
[23:19:18] <johnduhart>	 Krenair: A true hero.
[23:20:10] <TimStarling>	 the GSoC scheme doesn't require completion for students to get paid
[23:20:17] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Mwjames; "Enable gallery images to be redirected to another target" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticResultFormats] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17700
[23:20:21] <TimStarling>	 it's not like contract development
[23:20:29] <TimStarling>	 they only have to make an effort
[23:20:31] <helderwiki>	 I got "Your change was committed before the commit hook was installed" after submiting a change. Does that mean I did something wrong?
[23:20:45] <Krenair>	 helderwiki, no
[23:20:50] <helderwiki>	 (it is this: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/17777/ )
[23:20:58] <johnduhart>	 Oh right, it's the start work, get paid, abandon project maneuver
[23:20:59] <Krenair>	 It probably means you've never submitted using that copy of the repo before
[23:21:09] <helderwiki>	 Krenair, thanks
[23:21:37] <johnduhart>	 aude: Here's a taste of it https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/gitweb?p=mediawiki/extensions/ConventionExtension.git;a=blob;f=api/ApiConferenceAccount.php;h=de4b95230e12b05a41b50c08bb6e4d9f097f43a8;hb=fe2d4f4a73a29231b77fec2b851e68f6bcd61995
[23:21:44] <helderwiki>	 One more thing: after submitting a change which seems to fix a bug, should I mark it as FIXED or wait for the change to be merged in the extension?
[23:21:46] <freakolowsky>	 anyhü ... im too tired, i've cut my finger cooking luch today so i can't type properly and i have to get up early ... so ... tomorrow ...
[23:21:48] <freakolowsky>	 l8r
[23:21:54] <Krenair>	 helderwiki, wait for it to be merged
[23:22:08] <johnduhart>	 freakolowsky: good night.
[23:22:20] <helderwiki>	 ok
[23:22:23] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Duplicate article_attachment row when an attachment is sent from AgentTicketCompose - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/17706  +comment (10p858snake)
[23:22:31] <TimStarling>	 not sure what you mean by maneuver, but yes, that is basically it
[23:22:57] <johnduhart>	 TimStarling: It was sarcasm :)
[23:23:20] <helderwiki>	 What if I fix two bugs, one in each commit, and both changes are in the same file? Will this cause some conflict?
[23:23:27] <TimStarling>	 when the time runs out, that's the end of it, that's how it works
[23:23:48] <johnduhart>	 TimStarling: I though there was an evaluation of the work done?
[23:23:55] <TimStarling>	 like I say, they're not getting paid for project completion, they're getting paid for effort
[23:23:56] <Krenair>	 helderwiki, it could cause some problems merging... I think you might have to rebase the change which doesn't get merged first
[23:24:25] <Reedy>	 helderwiki: for the opposing view, I close a bug when I submit a fix...
[23:24:26] <johnduhart>	 Well I guess I know what I need to do to make a quick $5k next year
[23:24:41] <TimStarling>	 yes there is an evaluation, but it doesn't impact on payment
[23:25:07] <TimStarling>	 except when there is a lack of effort
[23:25:20] <helderwiki>	 Reedy, interesting...
[23:25:34] <helderwiki>	 so I'll just mention the change in the bug for now
[23:26:03] <p858snake|l>	 so the main issue here is the student has never been told they should using the coding convtensions? that is easily fixed...
[23:26:35] <helderwiki>	 Krenair, is there a wai to avoid the rebase step in case this happens again in the future?
[23:26:46] <johnduhart>	 p858snake|l: It goes a bit deeper than coding conventions, there's a bunch of stuff the student is doing that is simply wrong
[23:27:06] <aude>	 i'm just disappointed int he scope of the project
[23:27:10] <helderwiki>	 (e.g.: is should I, somehow, make the second change on top of the first, as if it was a "dependency")
[23:27:20] <johnduhart>	 My main concern is that the mentor is not picking up on this and is simply oking it.
[23:27:25] <aude>	 some some small piece that could get done would've been great
[23:27:33] <johnduhart>	 And he's not even merging the "approved" code in gerrit so it just sits there
[23:27:40] <Krenair>	 helderwiki, I'm not sure, sorry
[23:28:00] <TimStarling>	 if it's faulty then it shouldn't be merged into master
[23:28:24] <helderwiki>	 Krenair, ok..
[23:29:21] <Krenair>	 I think that's a legitimate concern. There's been lots of changes -1'd and never fixed
[23:30:22] <aude>	 are there any design documents or documentaiton for the extension?
[23:30:47] <Krenair>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Chughakshay16/GSOCProposal(2012)
[23:33:31] * aude  nods 

[23:33:33] <aude>	 thanks
[23:34:02] <codurr>	 New code comment: Helder.wiki; It seems this caused bug 31809. See: \ https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/17777/; <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/89877#c33003>
[23:34:09] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) [regression] Dragging to new location is broken in some cases - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31809  (10mybugs.mail)
[23:36:08] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) [regression] Dragging to new location is broken in some cases - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31809  (10mybugs.mail)
[23:36:09] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Confirm drag to new location when the user press Enter - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37086  (10mybugs.mail)
[23:40:34] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Siebrand; "Should be used from fallback." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17778
[23:41:26] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Siebrand; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17778
[23:46:40] <wikibugs>	 04(REOPENED) SVG to PNG conversion broken for text - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/17187  +comment (10Derk-Jan Hartman)
[23:51:40] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Chughakshay16; "Minor changes to model classes" [mediawiki/extensions/ConventionExtension] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14047
[23:52:01] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Siebrand; "Tweak 'disambiguations-text'." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17779
[23:54:30] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Siebrand; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17779