[00:03:48] 14(INVALID) the tope expand this post https://plus.google.com/110065562943235423568/posts - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39071 (10Sam Reed (reedy)) [00:06:10] New patchset: GWicke; "Fix escaping of nowiki in text content" [mediawiki/extensions/Parsoid] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17921 [00:06:44] 03(mod) VisualEditor: Improperly escapes - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37838 +comment (10Gabriel Wicke) [00:07:15] 03(mod) Database returned error "1: RIGHT and FULL OUTER JOINs are not currently supported". - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39064 normal->minor; +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy)) [00:08:43] 03(mod) unable to make edits to wikipedia entries "stick" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39065 (10Sam Reed (reedy)) [00:11:49] New patchset: Mwalker; "[FR2012 #71] Addition of Session Velocity logic" [mediawiki/extensions/DonationInterface] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17895 [00:12:47] New patchset: Mwalker; "[FR2012 #71] Addition of Session Velocity logic" [mediawiki/extensions/DonationInterface] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17895 [00:19:29] so, if I want to write a series of articles with a somewhat defined format (same section titles in the same order for each article, but different content) is there an appropriate way to template this? is it an appropriate time to use subclusion? [00:19:52] just subclude all of the headings, then fill in the blanks? or is there a way I could parse in content for each section, so I could just use a single subclusion with multiple pipes to replace each "field" [00:20:08] (would I have to write it, or is this done?) [00:22:33] New patchset: Aaron Schulz; "RefreshLinksJob performance tweaks." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17379 [00:23:22] TimStarling: anything still too clever? [00:23:25] hushedfeet: Sounds like you want a template. [00:23:27] A basic template. [00:23:55] Where you'd have {{fishing | section_1 = Fishing is great. | section_2 = Blah blah. }} [00:24:15] You can have parameters to override the section headers or keep the same for every {{fishing}} call. [00:24:26] section_header_1 = Introduction or whatever. [00:25:31] it'll do [00:27:24] Brooke: thanks! I seem to recall looking at this a year or so ago, and it not being that simple. I must have been really tired, or just really new to mediawiki [00:27:26] should I tag Evelyn as a reviewer? [00:27:57] brooke: but I'm going to just ignore what I remember and get back to working [00:28:04] hushedfeet: :-) [00:30:32] I gave it +2, not sure if you want to wait for asher before you merge [00:32:00] 03(mod) Parsoid: API extended to request from a particular wiki (not assume enwiki/etc.) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38858 +comment (10James Forrester) [00:33:59] well, jenkins seems awol [00:35:40] New patchset: Aaron Schulz; "RefreshLinksJob performance tweaks." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17379 [00:36:14] TimStarling: clicking the rebase button seems to have triggered jenkins [00:36:43] Change merged: Tim Starling; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17379 [00:37:07] do you not have permission to set +1 verified? [00:37:54] Change merged: Tim Starling; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17770 [00:38:26] gah, that was for another patch I guess [00:38:42] TimStarling: I do, I just preferring waiting till jenkins +1s [00:38:47] unless I am in a hurry [00:40:04] hmm, maybe you have to add jenkins as a reviewer and then rebase (or git review again), I remember getting it to work for some other published draft [00:40:41] How can I access a mediawiki page's contents? [00:42:54] 03(mod) WLM App license info from uploadcampaigns API - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38283 +comment (10Brion Vibber) [00:42:56] 04(REOPENED) HTML escaped when marking thread as read from Special:NewMessages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/27921 +comment (10Krinkle) [00:43:19] 03(mod) HTML escaped when marking thread as read from Special:NewMessages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/27921 +comment (10Krinkle) [00:46:30] 03jamesur * 10/trunk/tools/planet/ (en/config.ini fr/config.ini): Planet update for en and fr and some display adjustments [00:48:50] 14(WFM) Parsoid: API extended to request from a particular wiki (not assume enwiki/etc.) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38858 +comment (10Gabriel Wicke) [00:53:55] New patchset: Anomie; "(bug 17865) Fix wikilinking in "refs without references" error" [mediawiki/extensions/Cite] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11737 [00:55:06] New patchset: Anomie; "(bug 17865) Fix wikilinking in "refs without references" error" [mediawiki/extensions/Cite] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11737 [00:56:31] New review: Anomie; "Patch set 2: Rebase only" [mediawiki/extensions/Cite] (master) C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11737 [00:58:44] 03(mod) Date selector on SpecialCentralNotice should use the jquery.ui.datepicker module - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36791 (10Adam Wight) [01:13:27] gwicke: Did you see the wikitech-l email from just now? Think that sounds sort of interesting? [01:14:55] marktraceur: which one do you mean? I'm reading via gmane, which doesn't show anything too interesting on first sight [01:17:04] gwicke: The phabricator one! Just a brief thought, maybe something I could play with tonight if I can find someone to give me shell access [01:19:37] marktraceur: Phabricator sounds interesting, and I am personally in favor of anything that supports regular git branching better than Gerrit and is still self-hosted [01:19:54] am not too keen on spending too much time on an experiment though [01:20:17] johnduhart had a labs project for phabricator [01:20:54] gwicke: I suppose I could see if it's relatively simple to set up, then if not, scrap it? *shrug* [01:21:25] johnduhart: Is that still active? [01:21:47] sure, if you'd like- especially if we don't have to depend on it initially [01:21:59] could it be set up as a slave to the gerrit repo? [01:23:36] gwicke: That's my first thought, then maybe move it to another system later on [01:24:33] a test repo nobody really depends on might be even better for the first steps [01:27:29] 03(NEW) Enable localization of "subst:" prefix - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39089 normal; MediaWiki: Templates; (gustronico) [01:28:25] 03(mod) Enable localization of "subst:" prefix - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39089 +i18n (10Sam Reed (reedy)) [01:29:04] My issue with Phabricator is that it appears to be based around diffs rather than properly integrated commits [01:30:28] After attempting to upgrade to 1.19.1 i get the following: Fatal error: Cannot redeclare wfprofilein() (previously declared in /home/content/32/3578332/html/eli/includes/profiler/Profiler.php:14) in /home/content/32/3578332/html/eli/includes/ProfilerStub.php on line 25 [01:32:33] kevindanko: Delete your StartProfiler.php and try not to upgrade by extrating a tarball over top of your existing installation [01:34:09] Thanks [01:41:34] 03(mod) Upgrade script for MySQL missing table msg_resource_links - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39046 +comment (10Patrick Uiterwijk) [01:47:41] New review: Yaron Koren; "I don't want to belabor the point, but I think SRF is more of an official extension than you think i..." [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticResultFormats] (master) C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17165 [01:53:49] New patchset: Trevor Parscal; "Puttin' em white-spacers where they aught'a be" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17924 [02:05:49] 03(NEW) Curation Toolbar Deletion Tag Wizard: Additional Requirements - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39090 normal; MediaWiki extensions: PageTriage; (fflorin) [02:06:10] New patchset: SPQRobin; "Rewrite logo/configuration code" [mediawiki/extensions/WikimediaIncubator] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17925 [02:06:18] 03(mod) Curation Toolbar Deletion Tag Wizard: Additional Requirements - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39090 normal->major (10Fabrice Florin) [02:10:24] 03(mod) Curation Toolbar Deletion Tag Wizard: Additional Requirements - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39090 (10Fabrice Florin) [02:14:15] New patchset: SPQRobin; "Rewrite logo/configuration code" [mediawiki/extensions/WikimediaIncubator] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17925 [02:15:36] New patchset: SPQRobin; "Rewrite logo/configuration code" [mediawiki/extensions/WikimediaIncubator] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17925 [02:22:32] New review: Krinkle; "Roger that. Gotta have them spaces!" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master); V: 1 C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17924 [02:22:32] Change merged: Krinkle; [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17924 [02:50:43] New patchset: Parent5446; "Add a Uri class." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4069 [03:17:52] Just upgraded from 1.14 to 1.19 and receiving this error after updating LocalSettings from httpauthplugin to auth_remoteuser [03:18:03] Detected bug in an extension! Hook Auth_remoteuser::autoAuthenticate failed to return a value; should return true to continue hook processing or false to abort. [03:20:58] 14(WFM) WebFonts aren't applied to Fundraising banners - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33190 (10Amir E. Aharoni) [03:25:41] 03(mod) Support crosswiki template inclusion (transclusion => interwiki templates, etc.) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/4547 +comment (10Jmajeremy) [03:30:48] nm got it [03:30:56] commented out $wgHooks['UserLoadFromSession'][] = array($wgAuth,'autoAuthenticate'); [03:37:31] Change merged: Aaron Schulz; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4069 [03:56:17] 03(mod) tablesorter (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31601 (10Krinkle) [03:56:17] 03(mod) update.php doesn't work as advertised. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/2962 (10Krinkle) [03:56:23] 03(mod) Enhance tablesorter to avoid using display: none; hacks - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39055 +comment (10Krinkle) [03:56:27] 03(mod) jquery.tablesorter's data-sort-type feature not working for wikitext tables on WMF - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31527 +comment (10Krinkle) [03:59:26] Change abandoned: Krinkle; "Abandoning this change in favor of I82e051b6f25f7e71bc7fbfcbd8e9b14ecc8870af." [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17920 [04:00:03] 03(mod) VisualEditor: "Edit Source" link should preserve original query parameters (such as oldid) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38125 +comment (10Krinkle) [04:00:57] 03(mod) VisualEditor: "Edit Source" link should preserve original query parameters (such as oldid) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38125 +comment (10Krinkle) [04:01:03] New review: Krinkle; "eh.. I5bc24e0cbdf01b3704d4ccb0." [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17920 [04:02:29] 03(NEW) wrong check for missing or invalid title in jquery.wikiEditor.dialogs.config.js - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39091 normal; MediaWiki extensions: WikiEditor; (bugorumus) [04:10:50] 03(mod) wrong check for missing or invalid title in jquery.wikiEditor.dialogs.config.js - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39091 +comment (10Codicorumus) [04:15:11] 03(mod) jquery.wikiEditor.dialogs: 'missing' and 'invalid' properties should check against undefined instead of truthy - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39091 summary; +comment (10Krinkle) [04:17:14] New review: Amire80; "OK except little inline comments." [mediawiki/extensions/UniversalLanguageSelector] (master); V: 1 C: 1; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17800 [04:26:25] Dantman: <3 ;) [04:26:37] ? [04:27:00] Dantman: review+auth [04:27:04] same email [04:27:11] heh [04:28:51] I have 2-3 large projects I wish someone would write up a contract that would let me finish but not have to worry about normal work. [04:29:09] Finishing Gareth's code review system [04:29:45] Writing a new auth standard to replace OAuth and fix it's defficiencies, and implementing it. [04:30:18] And a very clean to use machine-learning based Anti-Spam system [04:31:03] Well... I have an idea for the ui, etc... of that Anti-Spam system, I might need some help on the actual machine-learning implementation part. [04:31:50] New patchset: Krinkle; "(bug 38125) ve.init.mw.ViewPageTarget: Preserver original query" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17926 [04:31:55] heh [04:33:32] 03(mod) VisualEditor: "Edit Source" link should preserve original query parameters (such as oldid) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38125 +comment (10Krinkle) [04:36:25] New patchset: Amire80; "Implement visual language grouping in ULS" [mediawiki/extensions/UniversalLanguageSelector] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17800 [04:38:16] New review: Amire80; "Wrote a simpler condition for checking that a language doesn't have an autonym and fixed some whites..." [mediawiki/extensions/UniversalLanguageSelector] (master); V: 0 C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17800 [04:40:06] New patchset: Daniel Friesen; "Start the 404 handling code." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17801 [04:40:33] * Dantman wonders who he should put on review for the 404 handler path routing code [04:41:17] New review: Krinkle; "Not sure to what extend this is intended to be used on the short-term. -1 per unknown status of TODO." [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master); V: 0 C: -1; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17369 [04:41:47] New patchset: Amire80; "Add a test for checking that all languages have autonyms" [mediawiki/extensions/UniversalLanguageSelector] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17905 [04:42:30] New review: Krinkle; "Haven't tested fully yet, but I think this will break the unit tests since toString of an Error obje..." [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master); V: 0 C: -1; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17890 [04:50:35] New patchset: Krinkle; "Javascript, unlike PHP doesn't need double quotes for \n" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17892 [04:51:19] New review: Krinkle; "Looks like the other two files had conflicts, and the HEAD versions already didn't use double quotes..." [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master); V: 1 C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17892 [04:51:19] Change merged: Krinkle; [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17892 [05:02:10] New patchset: Krinkle; "Clean up: Single quotes" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17928 [05:17:26] 03(NEW) Create default sudo group on project creation - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39092 normal; MediaWiki extensions: OpenStackManager; (rlane32) [05:25:34] Change merged: Trevor Parscal; [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17928 [05:35:29] New review: Catrope; "That's exactly what happened when I tried this, yes." [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master); V: 0 C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17890 [05:36:16] New patchset: Tim Starling; "Allow session storage to be configured independently" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17929 [05:41:06] New review: IAlex; "Method documentation should be updated, otherwise OK." [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: -1; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17899 [05:56:51] , i have been working on authenticating LDAP with my media wiki. though it authenticates perfectly, i am scared about the security factor. So i decided to set an Encryptiontype with the variable set to to TLS. [05:57:19] now i realised whatever i type in the Encryptiontype varibale, it authenticates. Its clearly wrong but i dont know whats wrong. [05:57:30] I couldnt find much help in the documentation as wel. [05:57:36] can you help me out with this one? [05:58:28] eagle_: you are saying it doesn't auth when you use tls? [05:59:04] it authenticates. [05:59:26] even when i type some nonsense alphabets in the $wgLDAPEncryptionType [05:59:31] it authenticates. [06:00:25] eagle_: unless you put "clear" in there, it's using encryption [06:00:27] the default is tls [06:00:57] So if i dont set the variable also, it should authenticate using TLS right? [06:01:23] New patchset: Trevor Parscal; "Converting throwing of strings to throwing of ve.Error objects" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17890 [06:01:28] My problem is kind of wierd. I think i am overriding the $wgLDAPEncryptionType somewhere. because whatever i type in the $wgLDAPEncryptionType , it authenticates perfectly. [06:01:35] which clearly shouldnt happen right? [06:02:29] New patchset: Krinkle; "Make use of new jshint options" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17930 [06:02:56] eagle_: again if it's anything other than "clear" it'll default to tls [06:03:11] eagle_: use wireshark if you're paranoid [06:05:05] New patchset: Trevor Parscal; "Converting throwing of strings to throwing of ve.Error objects" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17890 [06:06:46] Ryan. Its acting really wierd though. First, i put encryption type as clear and it obv worked. Then i put type as some ssl,tls and anything it worked. Now, when i set it to TLS or SSL it doesnt work [06:07:10] which version of the extension are you using? [06:07:23] it's defaulted to tls for ages [06:07:46] eagle_: anyway, it's not really worth discussing unless you know it's not using encryption [06:07:57] you need to capture the traffic [06:08:03] and actually check [06:08:21] I checked the site information and it said your connection to this site is not encrypted. [06:08:58] that's irrelevant [06:09:28] your browser connects to mediawiki and the mediawiki connects to the LDAP server [06:09:41] your browser doesn't know anything about how the connection to the LDAP server was made [06:09:47] indeed [06:10:09] Oh right okay. [06:10:37] wow, i don't think i've ever seen so many doc pages for a single extension before ;P [06:11:13] And yet, i am stuck with this encryption :( [06:11:31] eagle_: if your web server isn't using https, then you need to have that enabled [06:11:37] that's separate from the ldap extension [06:11:57] Yes. Got that. [06:12:45] Where do i check whether the encryption is happening or not with LDAP Ryan? [06:14:46] eagle_: you'll need to actually capture the packets and see [06:14:55] the debug log will tell you [06:15:10] but if you're really paranoid, you'll need to check the actual traffic [06:16:09] Okay.Thanks. [06:16:27] > "testLDAPdomain"=>"S0M3L0ngP@$$w0r6ofS0meV@rie222y!" [06:16:32] -> single quotes ? [06:16:46] But i do agree, this is one of the most documented extensions i have seen. Great work [06:16:53] Whts this jeremyb? [06:17:05] eagle_: i was just looking at the header at the top with all the links [06:17:29] eagle_: in the docs, that's one of the examples. i think it needs single quotes on the password [06:17:40] Oh alright. [06:17:47] well, I've been updating the docs for like 6 years, so… heh [06:17:51] right [06:17:58] Ryan_Lane: do you agree? [06:18:02] and given the amount of spport I do.... [06:18:33] jeremyb: probably better to use single quotes, yes [06:18:41] k, /me will change [06:20:24] none of collab/office/etc. use ldap, right? [06:20:38] eh? [06:20:44] or anywhere on cluster for that matter [06:20:45] cluster wikis? [06:20:46] no [06:21:05] I'd like to avoid that if possibl [06:21:07] *possible [06:21:20] if I could avoid it on labsconsole I would there too [06:21:35] what's the alternative for labsconsole? [06:21:41] some form of SSO [06:22:07] it will take a lot of work to get ldap auth off of labsconsole [06:22:31] New review: IAlex; "includes/specials/Special404.php seems to be missing." [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: -1; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17801 [06:22:32] I have no short-term plans for that [06:23:51] done [06:24:42] Ryan_Lane: what about SSO on cluster or for WMF then? maybe openid ? or just let chris figure it out? ;) [06:25:53] huh, is V@rie222y supposed to be variety? [06:26:22] heh [06:26:32] jeremyb: I'd prefer SAML [06:26:39] openid could work too, though [06:26:49] I think I prefer a rusty spoon through the left ear over SAML [06:26:57] it would also need to tie into keystone, too, though [06:27:05] Ryan_Lane: oh, btw, i recently found SAML in the wild at my cable co. told chris already [06:27:18] I used SAML at my last org [06:27:39] bonsaikitten: oauth isn't much better [06:28:01] Ryan_Lane: didn't claim that [06:28:27] well, I guess my interactions with saml were not in the best circumstances :) [06:28:33] Ryan_Lane: at first i thought they were just using it internally for SSO but then i saw they used it for an old 3rd party site which used to be the only place to log in (the new main site didn't exist at all before) [06:28:34] those are basically the two options... [06:29:12] Ryan_Lane: problem is the way they did it it takes like 60+ secs to log in and about as long to log out. and during that time you have white screens and I thought it was 500 ISE before I checked the headers ;( [06:29:41] ewwww [06:29:52] jeremyb: shibboleth? those performance characteristics sound familiar! [06:29:59] bonsaikitten: no, saml [06:30:03] jeremyb: same same [06:30:07] "we can do 12 logins a minute on this server" tehehehe [06:30:14] hah [06:30:36] i was blaming the implementor and giving the protocol the benefit of the doubt [06:30:38] btw, do not go near shibboleth, even if riches are promised [06:34:50] Hello [06:38:32] bonsaikitten, Ryan_Lane: Don't worry OAuth 2 has you covered... ;) You can have OAuth 2 AND SAML together... [06:38:42] Danny_B|backup: heh [06:38:47] that's what I was talking about ;) [06:39:56] Dantman: my liver objects [06:40:45] 03(NEW) Undo popup after changing language must position itself properly - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39093 minor; MediaWiki extensions: UniversalLanguageSelector; (srik.lak) [06:42:31] 03(mod) Undo popup after changing language must position itself properly - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39093 (10Srikanth Logic) [06:42:37] New patchset: Nikerabbit; "Fix the map in RTL, again" [mediawiki/extensions/UniversalLanguageSelector] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17931 [06:42:52] bonsaikitten: ;) I was joking... Putting two awefull things together in the same sentence since OAuth 2 has a SAML grant extension spec to it. [06:43:47] bonsaikitten: This is my take on OAuth for MW: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/OAuth/Issues [06:43:47] Dantman: good, so I don't *have* to get drunk ;) [06:44:54] amusing [06:44:58] * bonsaikitten doesn't read it all [06:46:13] bonsaikitten: Here's a clip from the Interoperability section "Now with all these inconsistencies behind us. The way these three use client_secret on the other hand is quite consistent. They all violate the spec. OAuth 2 defines a way of using an Authorization: header with Basic HTTP auth. And a way of including it as a client_secret parameter inside of a POST body strongly recommending it not be used. Facebook, Google, and Meetup all ignore this and [06:46:41] Facebook, Google, and Meetup all ignore this and exclusively make use of the client_secret as URI query parameter. (This was never valid in any draft of OAuth 2. Not even old drafts these providers are supposed to have implemented.)" [06:47:01] :) [06:47:12] I still wonder why client-side SSL certs never took off [06:47:17] they solve so many problems properly [06:48:41] Probably an ugly UI that never got improved (re: Why production sites don't even use HTTP Auth) and the fact that vendors never agreed on one clean standard way to deliver these to browsers. [06:49:27] that too, but it solves most of the SSL troubles like MITM, impersonation attacks, rogue CAs ... [06:49:39] *shrug* so it goes [06:49:54] Ever looked at Convergence? [06:51:52] sounds vaguely familiar [06:52:14] oh, yeah, that is a nice idea to limit the rogue CA problem [06:54:06] And also fixes most of the issues where people can't deploy SSL... because of cost issues or limitations in SSL's wildcard ability [06:54:34] eg: If we were all using convergence Wikia could start generating self-signed certificates. [06:54:55] hmm, mostly agree, but it's still not perfect [06:55:18] Yeah, there are some small problems that need to be dealt with. [06:55:30] it would be nice if by default *ALL* CAs were disabled, and if you hit a site with a known one like verisign the browser should ask "do you trust the verisign CA?" [06:55:55] because ... turktrust? chinese government CA? you think I trust them at all? [06:56:00] That probably won't solve much. [06:56:35] well, you can't even properly delete them from FF ... bad security is bad [06:57:05] Some of the past CA attacks were from large CAs that you probably would have okayed somewhere along your normal internet browsing. [06:57:14] bonsaikitten: Btw, try Certificate Patrol instead [06:57:22] Dantman: good idea [06:58:04] Heh... Testing Convergence for the first time was NOT fun. [06:58:17] well, one attack would be to use blah CA to create a valid cert for a site that actually "belongs" to foo CA [06:58:30] ... DNSSEC to the rescue? [06:59:03] ;) Certificate Patrol + Convergence + Hundreds of tabs is Hell... [07:00:05] Oh right ;) + HTTPS-Everywhere [07:00:12] yeah :) [07:00:29] then add RequestPolicy and NoScript and AdBlock, and things are almost ok [07:00:43] I guess it would be nice to get a more unified UI for that combo :) [07:01:17] Sit there as Certificate Patrol continually opens up dialogs for every website you have open (Many of them https:// because of HTTPS-Everywhere) and complains because the certificate has changed from a CA signed one to the internal one that Convergence uses to integrate into Firefox. [07:01:36] o_O intriguing [07:10:11] 03(mod) Undo popup after changing language must position itself properly - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39093 +comment (10Santhosh Thottingal) [07:16:40] New patchset: Daniel Friesen; "Start the 404 handling code." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17801 [07:17:47] Change merged: Siebrand; [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17803 [07:21:24] 03(FIXED) File move operation takes a long time and creates dupe move log entries (Swift related?) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37927 +comment (10Raimond Spekking) [07:24:49] 03(mod) Enable $wgAllowCopyUploads (upload by URL) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/20512 +comment (10Yann Forget) [07:28:42] 04(REOPENED) Non-existing pages at the Commons - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37480 (10Yann Forget) [07:34:23] Hey. When i upload a file in my media wiki upload option, where does the file get stored in the server side? [07:47:23] 03(mod) Replace MD5 password hashing with WHIRLPOOL - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/28419 +comment (10Niklas Laxström) [07:52:15] hmm, why are there german messages in this page.. http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Bruxelles_Java_Masque_Wayang_02_10_2011_06.jpg [07:53:38] logged out btw. [07:53:49] New review: John Erling Blad; "I would prefer that the siteids reflects the real configuration and not some pony make up data. If s..." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 0 C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17810 [07:55:08] <_Meow> thedj[work]: What German message? [07:55:21] _Meow: error message [07:55:42] below the image [07:55:43] eagle_: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Configuring_file_uploads#Upload_directory [07:55:46] it's in Finnish now [07:55:58] that's not good :D [07:56:03] * thedj[work] filing ticket [07:56:03] should go into bugzilla [07:57:02] New patchset: Pginer; "Implement visual language grouping in ULS" [mediawiki/extensions/UniversalLanguageSelector] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17800 [07:57:15] New review: John Erling Blad; "Note also that sites with this kind of pony data will not use normalization at all, but still should..." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 0 C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17810 [07:57:50] I wonder if actually including a salt in a password hash has any advantage over encrypting the hash [07:58:02] 03(NEW) german messages in english page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39094 normal; MediaWiki: Internationalization; (hartman) [07:59:47] 03(mod) german messages in english page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39094 +comment (10Derk-Jan Hartman) [08:02:10] Dantman: seriously? [08:02:23] ;( [08:02:29] Dantman: my understanding is that salt is added to the original message before hashing; so if you don't know the salt, how can you hash the (message | salt) to check if the hash si correct? [08:03:09] saper: salted+hashed tokens are always stored with a copy of their salt [08:03:24] saper: to verify you rehash using the same salt [08:03:50] saper: but even if all users in your DB have the same password they all have different salts and different hashes [08:03:51] jeremyb: I guess so, but I don't know how "encrypting the hash" is going to substitute that [08:04:08] saper: yeah, i don't see any benefit to encrypting a hash [08:04:20] maybe encrypting a salt if you're really paranoid [08:04:32] I know more or less how salting works; I was referring to Dantman's line above [08:04:47] Sorry,I'm talking about peppering [08:05:09] I'm trying to think of if there really is a strong reason to pepper the hash itself or if it would be ok to instead encrypt/decrypt the hash data. [08:05:13] saper: /me too (also referring to Dantman) [08:05:15] The reason is plugability. [08:05:25] If I have to pepper the hash itself that means that any pepper implementation likely has to be implemented inside a specifc password type implementation. [08:05:42] Which of course means you have to re-implement it for each different type. [08:05:44] Change merged: Santhosh; [mediawiki/extensions/UniversalLanguageSelector] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17931 [08:06:29] if somebody stole your hashed passwords she might be as well able to get your shared secret ("pepper") [08:07:04] Dantman: salt implementation is fairly trivial. stretching and hashing is more of a worry to match all other implemtations [08:07:06] saper: Well, not if it was a SQL injection from a secondary web app [08:07:09] New patchset: Santhosh; "Implement visual language grouping in ULS" [mediawiki/extensions/UniversalLanguageSelector] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17800 [08:07:19] jeremyb: Already have stretching and whatnot... [08:07:20] Dantman: what do you want to plug it to? supporting one time passwords, schemes like Kerberos, smartcards with PINs ? [08:07:47] Dantman: anyway, bottom line is you should implement none of this yourself. just use the system libraries [08:08:27] saper: I'm just taking into consideration the people that want to add a shared secret to their LocalSettings.php so that the passwords in the database are useless without the config. [08:08:45] huh [08:08:47] interesting [08:08:58] * saper throws debian bug 363516 at jeremyb :) [08:09:20] ** I was hoping instead to implement a special type which would instead act as a layer. It would loop back to the password system and add peppering on top of it. [08:09:23] Dantman: couldn't you just have the salt be part composed of random material and part be the site's secret key? [08:09:31] Dantman: I misunderstood "plugability" then. Retreating. [08:10:09] saper: "plugability" = https://github.com/dantman/mediawiki-core/compare/master...password-hashing [08:10:19] (and per password only store the random part, not the whole salt) [08:10:53] jeremyb: I could. But the issue there is that requires integration with the password type implementation itself. [08:12:22] I don't see a reason for layering; it's a password authentication thing [08:12:25] hah, brooke [08:12:47] Dantman: does someone actually want this feature? [08:13:47] New review: Santhosh; "Fixed a typo" [mediawiki/extensions/UniversalLanguageSelector] (master); V: 0 C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17800 [08:13:48] New patchset: Santhosh; "Implement visual language grouping in ULS" [mediawiki/extensions/UniversalLanguageSelector] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17800 [08:13:57] I either have to make password type implementations more complex. Or I have to implement it per-type meaning when you create a new storage type you have to re-implement pepper. [08:14:11] New review: Santhosh; "Simplified the sort callback" [mediawiki/extensions/UniversalLanguageSelector] (master); V: 0 C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17800 [08:14:13] jeremyb: Well it seems there are some. And it's a valid feature request. [08:14:27] Someone actually tried writing an extension for it. [08:14:40] New review: John Erling Blad; "I would prefer that the siteids reflects the real configuration and not some pony make up data. If s..." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 0 C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17529 [08:15:04] Change merged: John Erling Blad; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17529 [08:15:45] Change abandoned: John Erling Blad; "Merged in the alternative to reduce the number of failing tests." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17810 [08:17:16] Dantman: "new storage type" as in this "wikidata thingy"? [08:17:32] saper: "storage" as in "password storage" [08:17:51] Our A or B, PBKDF2-HMAC, Blowfish, scrypt, etc... [08:18:11] s/Blowfish/bcrypt/ [08:18:24] ah, a method to obscure the plaintext password, I see [08:20:14] well, $wgYetAnotherSecret doesn't sound like a very bad implementation; if the process obsuring the passwords cannot use it, it does not [08:21:06] Here's an example of the storage data now: [08:21:06] :PBKHM:4tVHHZlQrD8=:sha256:10000:32:HmcZckoR3oZYDhw/PcoCnzOdGe6EeJHJVxdzgUqfy/4= [08:21:32] If I break that up to show what layer gets what: [08:21:45] do we support things like NTLM authentication? [08:21:51] :PBKHM:[[4tVHHZlQrD8=]:[sha256]:[10000]:[32]:[HmcZckoR3oZYDhw/PcoCnzOdGe6EeJHJVxdzgUqfy/4=]] [08:22:49] The Password system itself parses the :PBKHM: to determine the type. And passes the rest of the data "4tVHHZlQrD8=:sha256:10000:32:HmcZckoR3oZYDhw/PcoCnzOdGe6EeJHJVxdzgUqfy/4=" to the password type. [08:23:25] which is fine to me [08:23:46] it could be Kerberos principal for example [08:24:05] :krb5:saper/wiki@SAPER.INFO [08:24:29] BasePasswordType adds a parameter parsing and hash/key comparison handling; It takes that data and parses out the parameters [4tVHHZlQrD8=, sha256, 10000, 32] and a hash/key "HmcZckoR3oZYDhw/PcoCnzOdGe6EeJHJVxdzgUqfy/4=" [08:24:31] or OTP parameters [08:25:17] And then the PBKDF2-HMAC implementation takes those parameters and a plaintext password and creates the derived key that BasePasswordType validates against [08:25:18] sonds like SomeHashedPassword to me, not BasePasswordType [08:25:33] Heh yeah... [08:25:44] PasswordType was originally an interface. [08:25:49] is there any code that can be shared between shared password implementations that isn't? [08:26:53] BasePasswordType shares everything in the type of implementation's we've been doing that can be shared. [08:27:02] Parameter parsing, comparison, etc... [08:27:54] not sure if a simple switch wouldn't do here [08:28:56] A password type basically implements nothing but the algorithm, a function to return default params, and extras like "Are these params out of date, should we rehash the password?" and data for test cases. [08:29:13] "A BasePasswordType based password type"* [08:29:40] saper: Implemeting all types in core? [08:36:00] then we have hooks:( [08:37:22] We abuse hooks too much... foisting complex systems into simple callbacks [08:42:07] instead of inheritance? [08:42:52] using inheritance right means getting objects and classes right [08:43:29] Oh right... sticking with hooks instead of a password system doesn't take password upgrades/rehashes into account [08:52:59] 03(NEW) PDF generation does not support named refs - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39095 normal; MediaWiki extensions: Collection; (matma.rex) [08:58:15] hey. i have a html page. I want the content of one of my wiki page to be this html page. is that possible? [09:02:18] New review: John Erling Blad; "Use of messages needs cleanup, not sure if its a good idea to just replace one bad solution with ano..." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 0 C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17660 [09:03:47] Hey anyone? Is giving a html file as a source to the contents of a media wiki page possible? [09:04:20] 03(mod) PDF generation does not support named refs - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39095 +comment (10Marcin Cieślak) [09:08:49] New review: John Erling Blad; "Well, it does not trigger new failures... ;)" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 1 C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17661 [09:08:49] Change merged: John Erling Blad; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17661 [09:11:44] New review: Jeroen De Dauw; "Definitely. However not all code is being reviewed, lot's of stuff is getting self merged by extensi..." [mediawiki/core] (master) C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17821 [09:11:51] Change abandoned: Jeroen De Dauw; "(no reason)" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17821 [09:14:26] New patchset: Santhosh; "Fix bug 38847 Clear suggested text when input no longer matches" [mediawiki/extensions/UniversalLanguageSelector] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17932 [09:15:01] 03(FIXED) Clear suggested text when input no longer matches - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38847 +comment (10Santhosh Thottingal) [09:19:22] how do I mark the usage of a function as deprecated, ONLY if an argument was passed with a certain value? Is there a function for that or something? [09:28:26] New review: John Erling Blad; "Just my ?0.05" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 0 C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16829 [09:33:26] Change merged: Jeroen De Dauw; [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticResultFormats] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17823 [09:35:13] New review: Jeroen De Dauw; "Awesome - thanks :)" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticResultFormats] (master); V: 1 C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17887 [09:35:13] Change merged: Jeroen De Dauw; [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticResultFormats] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17887 [09:36:51] New patchset: Krinkle; "(bug 38125) ve.init.mw.ViewPageTarget: Preserve original query" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17926 [09:38:24] New review: Aude; "looks sane, generally should work" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 1 C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14083 [09:38:24] Change merged: Aude; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14083 [09:38:43] New review: Pginer; "Works nice but there is a minor glitch:" [mediawiki/extensions/UniversalLanguageSelector] (master); V: 1 C: 1; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17932 [09:40:20] New patchset: Tobias Gritschacher; "additional reload for sitelinks-tests" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17933 [09:44:12] New review: Jens Ohlig; "I don't love the "Created by JetBrains PhpStorm." boilerplate :)" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 0 C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16829 [09:50:44] 03(NEW) Narayam compatibility with ULS - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39096 normal; MediaWiki extensions: UniversalLanguageSelector; (srik.lak) [09:51:03] 03(mod) Refine behavior of the wbsetitem API module - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38843 (10jeblad) [09:55:48] 03(mod) PAGESINCATEGORY should differentiate between pages and subcategories - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/14237 +comment (10Derk-Jan Hartman) [09:56:09] New patchset: Santhosh; "Fix issue : Undo language tooltip present in all pages" [mediawiki/extensions/UniversalLanguageSelector] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17934 [09:58:35] New review: Daniel Friesen; "Aren't "Type" and "Value" a little, erm... too generic?" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) C: -1; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16829 [09:59:19] 03(mod) Descriptionless files - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/32551 +comment (10Foroa) [10:04:14] hello. I am using some text within 
. I need to put some of the text in red. I tried to use font and span but no luck
[10:04:17] 	 any hints please?
[10:07:44] 	 New patchset: Santhosh; "Fix bug 38847  Clear suggested text when input no longer matches" [mediawiki/extensions/UniversalLanguageSelector] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17932
[10:08:22] 	 New review: Santhosh; "Addressed Pau's comment. " [mediawiki/extensions/UniversalLanguageSelector] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17932
[10:19:26] 	 hashar is on vacation, right?
[10:22:38] 	 Nikerabbit: hello, just a quick question
[10:23:16] 	 Nikerabbit: could you tell me the name of the extension which creates  parser tag for the markup
[10:24:10] 	 Nikerabbit: this tag is in use in the wikimania wiki.. and I cant seem to find the name of the extension under the Special:Version page.
[10:24:29] 	 Change abandoned: John Erling Blad; "Wrong fix" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17916
[10:25:14] 	 aharoni: ^^
[10:25:35] 	 chughakshay16: Translate
[10:25:45] 	 The same extension that powers translatewiki.net
[10:26:09] 	 aharoni: doesnt transalte just provide the special page for translating messages..
[10:27:02] 	 chughakshay16: The same interface can be used for translating pages that have been properly prepared for this. See https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Extension:Translate/Page_translation_example .
[10:27:02] 	 03(mod) Activation of FlaggedRevs in catalan wikinews - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34135  +comment (10Bertrand GRONDIN)
[10:28:40] 	 aharoni: okay , thanks a ton !
[10:28:55] 	 freakolowsky: i think so
[10:29:58] 	 Okay, I have a database design question: if you have a table with  triplet, where  is non_unique, and a part of the code is interested in a list of unique , is it better to maintain a separate table, or scanning that table using SELECT UNIQUE?
[10:30:25] 	 jeremyb: then i guess i'll have to wait till ^daemon wakes up
[10:30:33] 	 freakolowsky: what?
[10:30:49] 	 a git question
[10:31:09] 	 ask it?
[10:31:18] 	 you know it's 6:31am, right? ;)
[10:31:41] 	 yes ... i knwo what time it is ... and he's in SF, so substract some digits there
[10:31:52] 	 oh, i forgot. he comes back in 5 days
[10:32:03] 	 anyway, question?
[10:32:07] 	 New patchset: Krinkle; "Updating CentralNotice to version 2.1" [mediawiki/extensions/CentralNotice] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17626
[10:32:41] 	 (i had a conversation with him yesterday and I was picturing him being in EDT at the time ;P )
[10:32:41] 	 New review: Krinkle; "Kaldari wrote:" [mediawiki/extensions/CentralNotice] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17626
[10:32:59] 	 question begins with "do you think ^daemon will be cool with ..." :D 
[10:33:02] 	 New review: Krinkle; "Changes in this patch set:" [mediawiki/extensions/CentralNotice] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17626
[10:33:10] 	 freakolowsky: continue ;)
[10:34:16] 	 Hi all. Should ResourceLoader work out of the bok with any new mw wiki v1.17+?
[10:35:08] 	 do you think ^daemon will mind if i have a bunch of braches for different aspects of my code ... now isntead of merging them all would it be ql to just create one single branch that has the recent code and drop the old branches/changes
[10:35:53] 	 Waldir: For the most part, yes
[10:36:40] 	 I'm trying to get HotCat to work but it doesn't seem to be doing anything. Ext:Gadgets is installed (http://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php?title=Special:Version), and the necessary pages were created: http://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Gadget-HotCat, http://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Gadget-HotCat.js, http://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Gadgets-definition
[10:36:46] 	 freakolowsky: i don't entirely understand the question
[10:37:10] 	 freakolowsky: are you intending to actually submit for review soon?
[10:37:19] 	 Dantman: do you think you can figure out what's missing? I can see the gadget in my preferences and have enabled it, cleared the cache, and nothing
[10:37:35] 	 freakolowsky: the old branches merged into the new already? or you'll be abandoning that code completely?
[10:37:48] 	 New patchset: Santhosh; "Always use autonyms for search results" [mediawiki/extensions/UniversalLanguageSelector] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17935
[10:40:07] 	 jeremyb: the changes are unmerged ... let's leave it ... i've talked about it with tim, and he asked me to check with ^daemon if he's ql with the plan, so not a question you could anwser i guess ... 
[10:40:38] * jeremyb  doesn't quite understand this term ql
[10:40:50] 	 ql = cool
[10:41:07] 	 but if tim already looked i don't expect i'll have much to add
[10:41:09] 	 i'm about to fail you in the turing test :D
[10:41:10] 	 ah ;)
[10:41:32] 	 other statements make more sense with this new data
[10:41:33] 	 New patchset: Amire80; "(bug 30600) Simple URL validation" [mediawiki/extensions/Interwiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17170
[10:41:51] 	 Waldir: I haven't used gadgets before. Your question seems to be more of a Gadgets question than a RL question
[10:42:07] 	 07 10:41:51 < Dantman> Waldir: I haven't used gadgets before. Your question seems to be more of a Gadgets question than a RL question
[10:42:09] 	 Waldir: I haven't used gadgets before. Your question seems to be more of a Gadgets question than a RL question
[10:42:29] 	 thanks for repeating, my connection went down
[10:43:02] 	 well, I tried using HotCat as a userscript before we had Gadgets installed, and it didn't work either
[10:43:25] * Dantman  needs to avoid this Gadgets discussion
[10:43:37] 	 hence my concern about the mw.loader.load() line
[10:43:38] 	 http://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php?title=User:Waldir/common.js
[10:46:09] 	 Waldir: off-topic: are you somehow related to explainxkcd.com?
[10:46:32] * Dantman  is goinf to end up coming with dead-ended ideas
[10:46:54] 	 saper: I'm just helping out :)
[10:47:26] 	 Waldir: you guys should definity have URLs the same like the original site - if I have http://xkcd.com/905/ I just would like to add "explain" before "xkcd"
[10:47:34] 	 just like SQL
[10:47:55] 	 saper: it has recently moved from the blog format, and it's understandably complexx for users to all of a sudden get used to work with a wiki instead. I'm trying to smooth that out.
[10:48:06] 	 saper: yeah, I've asked the guy who hosts it about it
[10:48:27] 	 there are several changes that still need server side access
[10:48:31] 	 Waldir: I tried to contact someone behind explainxkcd but that was not easy
[10:49:01] 	 and thank you for flying MediaWiki :)
[10:49:06] 	 yeah, they seem to not have a lot of free time beside what they take to write the explanations themselves
[10:49:56] 	 one of the reasons some commenters in the blog repeatedly asked for a conversion to a wiki (me included) was that they'd miss some details in explanations and then never fix them with the suggestions from the comments
[10:50:07] 	 URL pattern wise explainxkcd has already made one of the first mistakes
[10:50:22] 	 New patchset: Daniel Werner; "Linker::link() prints deprecated warning if $query is a string" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14301
[10:52:20] 	 Dantman: won't you enlighten us? :P
[10:52:46] 	 Waldir: Insattled the wiki in /wiki/
[10:53:08] 	 The whole directory can simply be renamed right?
[10:53:24] 	 ...sure, but then you break bookmarks
[10:53:46] 	 saper: do you think you could help me figure out why not even the userscript at http://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php?title=User:Waldir/common.js works?
[10:53:46] 	 New patchset: Daniel Kinzler; "Test handling of malformed json by wbsetitem." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17528
[10:53:51] 	 Dantman: it's quite recent
[10:54:02] 	 ^_^ Then fix it soon
[10:54:09] 	 I hope so
[10:54:33] 	 the server guy can only take care of a few issues at a time
[10:54:54] 	 I'm tryng to get him to set up the logo so we can use a wiki-uploaded image, for instance
[10:55:07] 	 New review: Pginer; "When adding characters, clear should occur only when the input does not match the suggestion. If we ..." [mediawiki/extensions/UniversalLanguageSelector] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17932
[10:55:18] 	 I'm trying to get us to depend as least as possible from him.
[10:55:31] 	 New patchset: Santhosh; "Fix issue: search strings like 't', 'a' are not giving results" [mediawiki/extensions/UniversalLanguageSelector] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17936
[10:55:31] 	 so there won't be bottlenecks in the future
[10:56:02] 	 Sometimes I wish mediawiki could be fully configured client-side. Extension installations and all :)
[10:56:44] 	 Change merged: Siebrand; [mediawiki/extensions/UniversalLanguageSelector] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17936
[10:58:03] 	 New review: Daniel Kinzler; "looks sane" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 0 C: 1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17933
[10:59:15] 	 Change merged: Amire80; [mediawiki/extensions/UniversalLanguageSelector] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17800
[11:03:40] 	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Added very basic ItemUpdaterTest" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17937
[11:04:43] 	 New patchset: Santhosh; "Fix bug 38847  Clear suggested text when input no longer matches" [mediawiki/extensions/UniversalLanguageSelector] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17932
[11:04:46] 	 Change merged: Siebrand; [mediawiki/extensions/LiquidThreads] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17784
[11:05:29] 	 Waldir: site origin policy?
[11:05:41] 	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Coverage should ignore test registration" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17938
[11:06:06] 	 saper: hmm.... I must have overlooked that from the instructions at commons
[11:06:07] 	 let me see
[11:07:30] 	 New patchset: Daniel Werner; "Fixed some issues mentioned in Bug 38888" [mediawiki/extensions/StickToThatLanguage] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17113
[11:08:30] 	 saper: good catch. The documentation at https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/HotCat#Installing_HotCat_on_another_Wiki apparently makes no mention of this, and I forgot about that. I'll add a note there to warn other people
[11:09:10] 	 New patchset: Daniel Werner; "Fixed some issues mentioned in Bug 38888" [mediawiki/extensions/StickToThatLanguage] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17113
[11:09:58] 	 New patchset: Amire80; "Update notification messages." [mediawiki/extensions/TranslationNotifications] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17397
[11:11:37] 	 New patchset: John Erling Blad; "Added filtering of aliases on languages in getAllAliases" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17939
[11:15:25] 	 New review: Platonides; "Dantman fixed it in c17786" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16831
[11:16:51] 	 New review: Platonides; "Thanks. I originally had the explicit cast, then removed it thinking it unneeded. :(" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17786
[11:17:05] 	 New review: Siebrand; "Sorry about the syntax errors. I should have php -l-ed." [mediawiki/extensions/ConfirmAccount] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17702
[11:18:40] 	 New review: John Erling Blad; "mumble" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17528
[11:18:40] 	 Change merged: John Erling Blad; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17528
[11:18:43] 	 New patchset: Siebrand; "Use Message class where possible." [mediawiki/extensions/ConfirmAccount] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17702
[11:19:13] 	 Change merged: Jens Ohlig; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17933
[11:19:54] 	 03(mod) Reupload of files is failing - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37213  +comment (10Raimond Spekking)
[11:20:17] 	 New review: Daniel Kinzler; "see inline comments. please clearify." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17792
[11:21:10] 	 Waldir: just a guess, didn't have time to properly investigate. "Other wikis" probably means other .wikimedia.org wikis here :(
[11:21:41] 	 Yeah, I'm collecting some info to update the docs and make them clearer
[11:21:50] 	 I dont want to use technically incorrect vocabulary
[11:25:19] 	 saper: https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Help:Gadget-HotCat&diff=75583561&oldid=72116794 looks good?
[11:28:48] 	 Waldir: looks good, thanks!
[11:29:41] 	 thank you for pointing me to the correct solution :D I'm just passing it forward ;)
[11:34:46] 	 03(NEW) MessageGroupStats - "status" col is empty - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39097 enhancement; MediaWiki extensions: Translate; (maurelio)
[11:35:52] 	 hey  how can i create my own wikipedia? like
[11:35:52] 	 http://www.kolce.tk http://wiki.erepublik.com/index.php/Main_Page *
[11:36:19] 	 saper: is by any chance the motive you wanted to contact the explainxkcd guys still valid? Jeff (the creator) seems to be responding to messages in his wiki talk page.
[11:37:38] 	 03(mod) Article::delete() calls - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35640  +comment (10Platonides)
[11:38:12] 	 New review: Platonides; "This was bug 35640 https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35640" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/9968
[11:38:20] 	 Waldir: well... yes, about the URLs
[11:38:42] 	 Waldir: but now I am no longer checking neither xkcd nor explain%
[11:38:43] 	 I've pointed him to http://shorturls.redwerks.org/
[11:38:57] 	 saper: ah you meant in the blog
[11:39:01] 	 hey  how can i create my own wikipedia? like
[11:39:02] 	 http://www.kolce.tk http://wiki.erepublik.com/index.php/Main_Page *
[11:39:12] 	 I'll make sure the wiki will use those :)
[11:39:31] 	 Waldir: that's doable, yes.
[11:39:31] 	 saper: thanks for the help, I'm leaving now
[11:39:42] 	 see you, nice to talk to you
[11:41:12] 	 :)
[11:43:09] 	 people?
[11:43:11] 	 hey  how can i create my own wikipedia? like
[11:43:12] 	 http://www.kolce.tk http://wiki.erepublik.com/index.php/Main_Page *
[11:49:24] 	 someoneee?
[11:50:13] 	 m4r51n: you can install MediaWiki software (http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/) or use some MediaWiki hosting service like wikia.com or something
[11:52:10] 	 i downloaded one tar zip folder
[11:52:10] 	 but
[11:52:15] 	 should i upload it to some
[11:52:18] 	 hosting server?
[11:52:31] 	 I don't know what you want
[11:52:38] 	 I run mediawiki sometimes on my laptop for myself
[11:52:52] 	 xampp server?
[11:53:10] 	 on your own server/
[11:54:44] 	 I run it on some servers too
[11:55:14] 	 http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Download
[11:55:17] 	 download from here?
[11:56:04] 	 yes, it does say download?
[11:56:29] 	 idk 
[11:56:29] 	 haha
[11:56:33] 	 ok ill try
[11:56:36] 	 10x
[11:59:15] 	 New patchset: Siebrand; "Fix syntax error in I35ce83ee." [mediawiki/extensions/LiquidThreads] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17940
[11:59:26] 	 Change merged: Siebrand; [mediawiki/extensions/LiquidThreads] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17940
[12:02:14] 	 03(mod) Crtl+Shift+R closes Factbox - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38809  normal->04CRIT (10Michael Allan)
[12:09:52] 	 New review: Brian Wolff; "Wouldn't we want all of the attributes from getExternalLinkAttribs to be included on the image link?..." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17817
[12:11:49] 	 New patchset: Santhosh; "Handling enter key in language filter" [mediawiki/extensions/UniversalLanguageSelector] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17941
[12:13:01] 	 New patchset: Mwjames; "Fix jshint "use strict"; in Firefox (10 and 13) (urgent)" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticResultFormats] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17942
[12:27:58] 	 03(mod) Suggestion: Rename "Bad image list" to better title - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/14281  +comment (10Bawolff)
[12:28:14] 	 New review: Logicwiki; ""* if the search string is language code, select it"" [mediawiki/extensions/UniversalLanguageSelector] (master); V: -1 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17941
[12:32:42] 	 New review: Jeroen De Dauw; ""use strict" should not cause problems... Unless you're doing non-strict stuff in your actual code ofc." [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticResultFormats] (master); V: 0 C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17942
[12:34:01] 	 New patchset: Amire80; "(bug 30600) Simple URL validation" [mediawiki/extensions/Interwiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17170
[12:39:39] 	 New patchset: Amire80; "Adding JavaScript CLDR plural parser." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11726
[12:44:23] 	 New review: Mwjames; "It did check with jshint, and all was complaint but when I checked [1] this morning where the overla..." [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticResultFormats] (master) C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17942
[12:44:56] 	 New patchset: Santhosh; "Handling enter key in language filter" [mediawiki/extensions/UniversalLanguageSelector] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17941
[12:46:27] 	 New review: Santhosh; "Fixed the failure Srikanth reported. Donot fill the selectedLanguage when query is empty string. Als..." [mediawiki/extensions/UniversalLanguageSelector] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17941
[12:49:06] 	 Jarry1250: hey sorry i didn't answer you last night - went to bed like 5 mins earlier :/
[12:49:11] 	 thanks a bunch for the article!
[12:55:54] 	 New patchset: Nikerabbit; "(bug 39097) MessageGroupStats - "status" col is empty" [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17943
[12:56:38] 	 03(mod) MessageGroupStats - "status" col is empty - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39097  +comment (10Niklas Laxström)
[12:57:43] 	 03(NEW) Radiobuttons not working properly when using show on select - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39098 normal; MediaWiki extensions: SemanticForms; (toniher)
[13:03:37] 	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Kill outdated and broken code inserting crap into the langlinks table" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17944
[13:04:28] 	 Change merged: Siebrand; [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17943
[13:06:04] 	 Change merged: Nikerabbit; [mediawiki/extensions/UniversalLanguageSelector] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17934
[13:11:27] 	 [16:05:14] -rakkaus:#mediawiki-i18n- [07-Aug-2012 13:05:32] PHP Warning:  Invalid argument supplied for foreach() in /www/w/includes/Uri.php on line 262
[13:11:52] 	 would appreciate of someone took care of that
[13:12:18] 	 !blame
[13:12:18] 	 Whatever happened, it's Domas' fault. For everything else, there's `svn blame`.
[13:12:28] 	 Heh, I guess that needs updating.
[13:12:50] 	 file a bug, fix it, whatever
[13:13:15] 	 03(mod) Replace MD5 password hashing with WHIRLPOOL - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/28419  +comment (10Tyler Romeo)
[13:14:41] 	 Brooke: Who else would we blame?
[13:14:54] 	 The Jews.
[13:15:19] 	 I'll have you know I am probably decended from Jews.
[13:15:23] * hexmode  gets huffy
[13:15:57] 	 probably?
[13:16:32] 	 freakolowsky: jewish friends mistake me initially for a jewish person based on my last name
[13:17:01] 	 and "Hershberger" is listed on Ancestry.com as being Mennonite/Jewish in origin
[13:17:25] 	 New patchset: Umherirrender; "Show a "(blocked)" hint on Special:ListUsers/ActiveUsers" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17945
[13:17:36] 	 New review: Aude; "we're still going to be sorting the links, etc.  need some of this code in the refactoring" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 0 C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17944
[13:17:52] 	 hexmode: I have the opposite problem. My last name is usually interpretted as not being Jewish.
[13:17:54] 	 Fartherest back we have traced the name is 17th century... about the time that people would have started converting to avoid the inquisition
[13:17:58] 	 hmm ... i have differen issues with my last name "Kajzer" pronounced "Kaiser"
[13:18:04] 	 heh
[13:18:44] 	 freakolowsky: bread?
[13:18:48] 	 New review: Nikerabbit; "Does not fix the bug for me." [mediawiki/extensions/UniversalLanguageSelector] (master); V: -1 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17932
[13:18:58] 	 freakolowsky: or healthcare?
[13:19:07] 	 beer
[13:19:13] 	 uhuh
[13:19:15] 	 idk that one
[13:19:20] 	 New patchset: Parent5446; "Allowing Message objects to be passed as error page title." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17899
[13:22:27] 	 it was funny how when  i was in china ppl i've met (other turists) tried to speak in my "native language", German ... #facepalm ... then when i tried to explain where i'm actually from ... no clue
[13:24:04] 	 Hey.
[13:24:30] 	 I noticed in appearance settings of en wikipedia there are several rendering options for embedded LaTeX math
[13:24:38] 	 Why isn't embedded MathML an option?
[13:25:36] 	 *TeX
[13:28:57] 	 ajf, maybe this helps you: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Reduce_math_rendering_preferences
[13:30:53] 	 New patchset: Mwjames; "Wrong placement of this caused Firefox ..." [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticResultFormats] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17942
[13:31:07] 	 helderwiki: hmm, OK
[13:31:20] 	 that surprises me, didn't know MathML was limited
[13:31:27] 	 :(
[13:33:32] 	 New review: Mwjames; "This fix should make it right apparently var _this = this; was out of scope and jshint didn't cached..." [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticResultFormats] (master) C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17942
[13:34:43] 	 freakolowsky: so how do I pronounce your name properly? In Polish we say "kajzer" the same way as the German Kaiser. We even have "kajzerka" (German Kaiserbrötchen).
[13:34:58] 	 +1 on both counts
[13:35:18] 	 except it's more Z tha S
[13:35:41] 	 in my German it's slavic z all the time :)
[13:36:39] 	 lol ... snatch quote: Protection from what? "Zee Germans"? 
[13:36:46] * Nikerabbit  kicks wikibugs 
[13:36:53] 	 it's dead
[13:36:55] 	 as a non-German, native English speaker, I pronounce the z in German either as an English z or a ts
[13:37:03] 	 omg they killed kenny
[13:37:13] 	 z in german is ts
[13:37:22] 	 Well, yes
[13:37:32] 	 I usually pronounce it as ts but it can be awkward sometimes
[13:37:46] 	 03(mod) Radiobuttons not working properly when using show on select - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39098  +comment (10Yaron Koren)
[13:37:58] 	 ql ... i never played Legend of Tselda :D
[13:38:26] 	 Or Leghend of Thelda
[13:38:38] 	 that's greek Zeta probably?
[13:38:39] 	 (guess the language)
[13:38:51] 	 saper: Spanish (Castillian)
[13:39:22] 	 And then there's Zeruda no Densetsu :)
[13:39:32] 	 that's easy
[13:39:38] 	 +1
[13:39:41] 	 nippon
[13:39:45] 	 nihon!
[13:39:57] 	 -go
[13:40:54] 	 03(mod) Radiobuttons not working properly when using show on select - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39098  +comment (10Toni Hermoso Pulido)
[13:40:56] 	 nihon nippon ... isn't that jus spelling diff an the same meaning?
[13:41:18] 	 pronunciation difference, both written the same
[13:41:23] 	 one's more formal, I think
[13:41:37] 	 I think nihon's the colloquial version?
[13:42:16] 	 oh ... must win lotto move to a secluded island and learn all the languages i always wanted to learn and had no time
[13:43:32] 	 freakolowsky: oh man, I wish :D
[13:43:43] 	 New review: Jeroen De Dauw; "hehe - thought so :)" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticResultFormats] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17942
[13:43:44] 	 Change merged: Jeroen De Dauw; [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticResultFormats] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17942
[13:43:52] 	 ajf ... if i do win ... i'll sponsor you a year :D
[13:44:52] 	 thanks :D
[13:45:36] 	 np ... 10+ mil ... gives me a lot of spare change :D
[13:45:52] 	 haha
[13:46:10] 	 Wikipedia, as it happens, can be quite handy for learning languages
[13:46:24] 	 For Japanese, it has a detailed list of particles, kana, etc
[13:46:46] 	 And it all runs on MediaWiki :P
[13:47:21] 	 i used to troll translatewiki during meetings (where i had to be, but had nothing to do) ... but nowdays ... i have to participate :S ... 
[13:49:17] 	 New patchset: Helder.wiki; "Fix drag-and-drop and improve error handling" [mediawiki/extensions/LiquidThreads] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17777
[13:52:31] 	 New patchset: Nikerabbit; "Always use autonyms for search results" [mediawiki/extensions/UniversalLanguageSelector] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17935
[13:53:40] 	 freakolowsky: ?
[13:53:57] 	 Nikerabbit: ??
[13:54:51] 	 troll how?
[13:56:11] 	 03(mod) PHP Warning: Invalid argument supplied for foreach() in /www/w/includes/Uri.php on line 262 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39099  +comment (10Niklas Laxström)
[13:56:15] 	 troll was a bad choice of words
[13:56:21] 	 New patchset: Santhosh; "Always use autonyms for search results" [mediawiki/extensions/UniversalLanguageSelector] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17935
[13:56:44] 	 03(mod) Enable localization of "subst:" prefix - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39089  normal->15enhancement (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[13:56:53] 	 New review: Santhosh; "Removed language from append method." [mediawiki/extensions/UniversalLanguageSelector] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17935
[13:57:13] 	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Updated link updating code to use local item cache rather then langlinks and match SiteLink refactor" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17946
[13:57:37] 	 Change merged: Nikerabbit; [mediawiki/extensions/UniversalLanguageSelector] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17935
[13:59:17] 	 14(WFM) Enable localization of "subst:" prefix - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39089  +comment (10Niklas Laxström)
[14:11:00] 	 New review: CSteipp; "@Brian: We can do that. I didn't, because the only other parameter currently is target, which can al..." [mediawiki/core] (master) C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17817
[14:12:06] 	 sometimes i doubt in sanity of certain DBAs
[14:12:18] 	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "up rel notes" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticResultFormats] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17947
[14:18:48] 	 Change merged: Jeroen De Dauw; [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticResultFormats] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17947
[14:31:53] 	 the email address used as "from" for email confirmation - where is that configurable ? doesn't seem to use wgPasswordSender
[14:32:06] 	 New review: Aaron Schulz; "A few problems showed up with this https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=39099." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/4069
[14:34:56] 	 notifications do properly use the address, but not confirmations - they always are attempted to be sent from @localhost
[14:36:13] <_Meow>	 Richlv: Isn't there a config for site domain?
[14:36:29] 	 03(mod) Activation of FlaggedRevs in catalan wikinews - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34135  +comment (10Krenair)
[14:38:09] 	 New patchset: Daniel Werner; "Added ob_start(); for better output buffering handling" [mediawiki/extensions/StickToThatLanguage] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17948
[14:38:32] 	 ^^^ mediawiki already does output buffering
[14:39:35] 	 _Meow, hrm, where would that be ?
[14:41:47] 	 03(mod) Replace MD5 password hashing with WHIRLPOOL - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/28419  +comment (10Daniel Friesen)
[14:42:17] 	 _Meow: $wgServer?
[14:42:42] 	 Oh emails
[14:42:57] 	 wgPasswordSender should be the right setting
[14:43:16] 	 We only have one other email setting but iirc that was for user emails.
[14:44:52] 	 but it doesn't seem to be used for email confirmation messages
[14:45:01] 	 notifications - yes. email confirmation - no
[14:47:14] 	 these are always sent as @localhost
[14:48:34] 	 It's possible that your mail daemon is configured to reject any from address specified by clients and instead force the From address to always be <$USER>@
[14:49:42] 	 Change merged: Daniel Kinzler; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17939
[14:49:45] 	 Dantman, nope, as the notifications, for example, come through just fine
[14:49:52] 	 from the same mw instance
[14:54:07] 	 New patchset: Nischayn22; "Fix bug with deleteTableSemanticData" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17949
[15:06:32] 	 Change abandoned: Jens Ohlig; "(no reason)" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17950
[15:06:46] 	 New review: Alex Monk; "Siebrand, I was wondering what you expect to happen on this change next. Are you/someone else going ..." [mediawiki/core] (master) C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16464
[15:06:57] 	 03(ASSIGNED) PHP Warning: Invalid argument supplied for foreach() in /www/w/includes/Uri.php on line 262 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39099  +comment (10Tyler Romeo)
[15:09:16] 	 New patchset: Parent5446; "Changed LoginForm::addNewaccountInternal() to return Status." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17952
[15:09:18] 	 03(mod) Activation of FlaggedRevs in catalan wikinews - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34135  +comment (10Bertrand GRONDIN)
[15:10:09] 	 ROTFL "The lesson: If the optimist says the glass is half full, and the pessimist says the glass is half empty, the physicist ducks."  http://what-if.xkcd.com/6/
[15:12:41] 	 New patchset: Daniel Werner; "New hook 'AfterFinalPageOutput' which is called at the end of OutputPage::output()" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14303
[15:13:25] 	 03(mod) Activation of FlaggedRevs in catalan wikinews - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34135  +comment (10Krenair)
[15:14:38] 	 New review: Daniel Werner; "Alright, I changed it now. Using a ob_start(); within my hook call which solves the errors." [mediawiki/core] (master) C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14303
[15:16:53] 	 New patchset: John Erling Blad; "Refactoring autocommets and autosummary for API modules." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17792
[15:17:17] 	 New patchset: Daniel Werner; "New hook 'AfterFinalPageOutput' which is called at the end of OutputPage::output()" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14303
[15:17:50] 	 03(mod) PHP Warning: Invalid argument supplied for foreach() in /www/w/includes/Uri.php on line 262 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39099  +comment (10Niklas Laxström)
[15:20:43] 	 03(mod) New namespaces for UzWiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38840  +comment (10Krenair)
[15:22:07] 	 New review: Tobias Gritschacher; "Can you please add a comment saing that this test could be added again as soon as https://gerrit.wik..." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17951
[15:23:33] 	 New review: GWicke; "Nice work! Great to see that we are already doing better than I expected in html2html mode ;) Renami..." [mediawiki/extensions/Parsoid] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17891
[15:23:34] 	 Change merged: GWicke; [mediawiki/extensions/Parsoid] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17891
[15:25:26] 	 03(mod) PHP Warning: Invalid argument supplied for foreach() in /www/w/includes/Uri.php on line 262 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39099  +comment (10Niklas Laxström)
[15:26:55] 	 03(mod) PHP Warning: Invalid argument supplied for foreach() in /www/w/includes/Uri.php on line 262 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39099  +comment (10Marcin Cieślak)
[15:28:04] 	 Change merged: Tobias Gritschacher; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17938
[15:28:05] 	 Change merged: Tobias Gritschacher; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17937
[15:28:33] 	 New patchset: Nischayn22; "Implementation of new Special Property ASK" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (querycache) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17953
[15:28:54] 	 Lydia_WMDE: No problem, I ran the story anyway in the end :)
[15:29:07] 	 Jarry1250: jep seen it - thanks!
[15:29:44] 	 New review: Aude; "looks good" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17946
[15:29:44] 	 Change merged: Aude; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17946
[15:33:29] 	 03(mod) Activation of FlaggedRevs in catalan wikinews - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34135  +comment (10Bertrand GRONDIN)
[15:33:31] 	 New patchset: Nischayn22; "Implementation of new Special Property ASK" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (querycache) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17953
[15:37:05] 	 New patchset: Subramanya Sastry; "Reorganized parsoid-specific tests and added new tests." [mediawiki/extensions/Parsoid] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17954
[15:37:45] 	 New patchset: Nischayn22; "Implementation of new Special Property ASK" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (querycache) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17953
[15:39:36] 	 03(mod) RC inclusion: Add namespace parameter - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31802  +comment (10Subfader)
[15:40:18] 	 03(mod) Activation of FlaggedRevs in catalan wikinews - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34135  +comment (10Krenair)
[15:40:39] 	 New patchset: Jens Ohlig; "Get rid of warnings in LangLinkHandler.php" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17955
[15:41:44] 	 Change merged: Aude; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17955
[15:42:58] 	 03(mod) MathJax: Several commands that work in texvc are not recognized - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35186  +comment (10Liangent)
[15:43:19] 	 03(mod) MathJax allows more commands than texvc - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35481  (10Liangent)
[15:43:49] 	 03(mod) MathJax: Several commands that work in texvc are not recognized - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35186  (10Liangent)
[15:44:27] 	 New patchset: Nischayn22; "Implementation of new Special Property ASK" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (querycache) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17953
[15:45:18] 	 03(NEW) Add bugzilla to status.wm.o monitor - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39100 normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (liangent)
[15:48:55] 	 New patchset: Parent5446; "Changed LoginForm::addNewaccountInternal() to return Status." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17952
[15:51:02] 	 New review: MarkTraceur; "Seems fine to me! :)" [mediawiki/core] (master) C: 1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11726
[15:52:09] 	 03(mod) [[#foo|]], [[/bar|]] should be equivalent to [[#foo|foo]], [[/bar|bar]] (new use of "pipe trick") - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/845  (10mybugs.mail)
[15:52:59] 	 New review: Amire80; "Thank you, MarkTraceur!" [mediawiki/core] (master) C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11726
[15:54:49] 	 03(mod) Create extension having red links to talk pages optionally behave like action=edit§ion=new - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/22416  (10mybugs.mail)
[15:55:04] 	 New review: MarkTraceur; "I have in the past, yes :) I agree, they're pretty slick. This reminds me that I have many things to..." [mediawiki/core] (master) C: 1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11726
[15:57:12] 	 03(mod) Create extension having red links to talk pages optionally behave like action=edit§ion=new - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/22416  (10mybugs.mail)
[15:57:18] 	 New patchset: John Erling Blad; "Refactoring autocommets and autosummary for API modules." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17792
[16:01:50] 	 New review: Jeroen De Dauw; "Indeed looks unstructured, but SMWQueryPrinter is just a horrible mess of spaghetti code, so I don't..." [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (querycache); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17953
[16:02:02] 	 New review: MarkTraceur; "So long as you didn't intend this as a fix for bug 37838, this seems good to me!" [mediawiki/extensions/Parsoid] (master) C: 1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17921
[16:02:10] 	 New review: Jeroen De Dauw; "*SMWQueryProcessor" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (querycache); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17953
[16:04:07] 	 Change abandoned: John Erling Blad; "whatever" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16828
[16:05:14] 	 Change merged: Daniel Kinzler; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17792
[16:14:54] 	 New patchset: Subramanya Sastry; "Cleaned up parse options and added html2html mode." [mediawiki/extensions/Parsoid] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17956
[16:18:40] 	 03(mod) MathJax: Several commands that work in texvc are not recognized - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35186  +comment (10Richard Morris)
[16:20:58] 	 New patchset: Subramanya Sastry; "Cleaned up parse options and added html2html mode." [mediawiki/extensions/Parsoid] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17956
[16:22:50] 	 Change merged: IAlex; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17899
[16:25:30] 	 New patchset: MarkTraceur; "Remove compensation stuff from the UI" [wikimedia/orgchart] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17957
[16:26:51] 	 Change merged: MarkTraceur; [wikimedia/orgchart] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17957
[16:26:52] 	 New review: GWicke; "Differences in newline handling would still show up as a dirty diff, so we should try to preserve th..." [mediawiki/extensions/Parsoid] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17903
[16:28:37] 	 03(mod) MathJax: Several commands that work in texvc are not recognized - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35186  +comment (10Liangent)
[16:29:16] 	 New patchset: IAlex; "Added WebRequest::getMethod() to get the HTTP method of the request." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17958
[16:33:21] 	 03(mod) Add bugzilla and gerrit to status.wm.o monitor - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39100  normal->15enhancement; summary; +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[16:40:05] 	 New patchset: Subramanya Sastry; "Strip trailing newlines when comparing wikitext in html2wt mode." [mediawiki/extensions/Parsoid] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17903
[16:40:48] 	 New patchset: Chughakshay16; "Modified common files" [mediawiki/extensions/ConventionExtension] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14049
[16:41:39] 	 03(mod) Add bugzilla to status.wm.o monitor - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39100  summary; +comment (10Liangent)
[16:43:39] 	 New patchset: GWicke; "Fix escaping of nowiki in text content" [mediawiki/extensions/Parsoid] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17921
[16:43:56] 	 New review: Victor Vasiliev; "Works correctly both when the hook is present and when it is not present. Passes parser tests. No se..." [mediawiki/extensions/Cite] (master) C: 1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11737
[16:45:20] 	 Change merged: GWicke; [mediawiki/extensions/Parsoid] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17956
[16:45:48] 	 New review: MarkTraceur; "Well, if I could +2, I definitely would now." [mediawiki/extensions/Parsoid] (master) C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17921
[16:46:23] 	 Change merged: GWicke; [mediawiki/extensions/Parsoid] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17921
[16:48:49] 	 Change merged: GWicke; [mediawiki/extensions/Parsoid] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17903
[16:48:56] 	 Change merged: Trevor Parscal; [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17926
[16:50:47] 	 New patchset: CSteipp; "(bug 24437) Add nofollow to image link" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17817
[16:54:39] 	 New patchset: Subramanya Sastry; "Fix failure output to more correctly reflect test input" [mediawiki/extensions/Parsoid] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17907
[16:55:12] 	 03(mod) PHP Warning: Invalid argument supplied for foreach() in /www/w/includes/Uri.php on line 262 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39099  +comment (10Tyler Romeo)
[16:56:04] 	 New review: Parent5446; "Realized this is a little more complex than I thought. Standby." [mediawiki/core] (master) C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17952
[17:00:11] 	 If I have a TitleObject of a SpecialPage (with subpage), is there a quick way to get the URL of the SpecialPage w/out the subpage, or do I have to do SpecialPage::getTitleFor($name, '')->escapeLocalUrl() ?
[17:01:40] 	 New patchset: Aude; "use site local key until we take site groups into considerations" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17960
[17:02:44] 	 New patchset: Daniel Kinzler; "add Article::setParserOptions" [mediawiki/core] (Wikidata) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17805
[17:03:13] 	 03(mod) Uploads can end up with no file page, creating deletion and protection problems - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34228  +comment (10Aaron Schulz)
[17:04:37] 	 :/ Sean_Colombo no [escape]!!!
[17:04:51] 	 New patchset: Parent5446; "Added accessors to Message class." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17961
[17:06:01] 	 New patchset: Parent5446; "Changed Status class to allow passing of Message objects." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17962
[17:07:02] 	 Dantman: heh... yeah, saw it's deprecated, but it doesn't say why.  Guess we're supposed to just do htmlspecialchars() on our own?
[17:07:09] 	 Yes
[17:07:14] 	 cool
[17:07:20] 	 It was a stupid idea to add those in the first place
[17:07:24] 	 New patchset: Parent5446; "Changed LoginForm::addNewaccountInternal() to return Status." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17952
[17:07:33] 	 New review: Subramanya Sastry; "Self-merging since this new patch is just a rebase on a dependent commit, and the previous patch was..." [mediawiki/extensions/Parsoid] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17907
[17:07:33] 	 Change merged: Subramanya Sastry; [mediawiki/extensions/Parsoid] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17907
[17:07:33] 	 for the Main part of a Specialpage... is there anyway to do that more simply than the two things I wrote above?
[17:07:41] 	 damnit gerrit :P
[17:07:43] 	 Not that I know of
[17:07:48] 	 cool, thanks
[17:07:52] 	 When we started adding even more methods like  getCanonicalUrl it got even more ridiculous
[17:07:55] 	 Change merged: Bsitu; [mediawiki/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17516
[17:08:06] 	 Change merged: Daniel Werner; [mediawiki/core] (Wikidata) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17805
[17:08:26] 	 But the general idea boils down to... if you're using escape[] methods you are undoubtubly using bad coding practices we should not support.
[17:08:40] 	 New patchset: Subramanya Sastry; "Reorganized parsoid-specific tests and added new tests." [mediawiki/extensions/Parsoid] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17954
[17:12:20] 	 good evening, can I post questions about bugs in mediawiki or in extensions in this chat room ?
[17:14:27] 	 oliver75: yes
[17:14:36] 	 oliver75: Just do so... though if it's a real bug you might want to report it to bugzilla
[17:16:27] 	 I get this messages in firebug console: "NetworkError: 404 Not Found - http://[mydomain]/index.php?title=Hilfe:Inhaltsverzeichnis" and on pages on which maps are displayed : "NetworkError: 404 Not Found - http://[mydomain]/theme/default/style.css" .... But the "Hilfe:Inhaltsverzeichnis" page is shown in the browser ... ?!?
[17:17:07] 	 New patchset: Anomie; "(bug 17865) Fix wikilinking in "refs without references" error" [mediawiki/extensions/Cite] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11737
[17:17:28] 	 New review: Anomie; "Patchset 4: Minor doc-comment fix." [mediawiki/extensions/Cite] (master) C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11737
[17:18:14] 	 Sounds like a messed up maps extension no-one uses
[17:20:25] 	 Yes I have the maps extension installed in version 1.1 alpha
[17:25:06] 	 New patchset: IAlex; "Pass the 'returntoquery' parameter on cookie check." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17963
[17:26:21] 	 03(NEW) ULS Search auto-complete suggestions over write the input in Indic - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39101 normal; MediaWiki extensions: UniversalLanguageSelector; (srik.lak)
[17:28:30] 	 Change merged: Jeroen De Dauw; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17960
[17:28:46] 	 03(mod) Search suggestion highlighting does not respect grapheme clusters causing wrong rendering for Indic languages. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33242  -utf8  (10Srikanth Logic)
[17:30:53] 	 03(mod) unable to make edits to wikipedia entries "stick" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39065  +comment (10Bawolff)
[17:31:45] 	 03(mod) Replace MD5 password hashing with WHIRLPOOL - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/28419  +comment (10Tyler Romeo)
[17:35:52] 	 New review: MarkTraceur; "I'm still happy. Merge!" [mediawiki/extensions/Cite] (master) C: 1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11737
[17:37:19] 	 03(mod) Some Squids seem to be serving stale pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/10173  +comment (10Ost316)
[17:40:15] 	 03(mod) Some Squids seem to be serving stale pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/10173  +comment (10Bawolff)
[17:41:49] 	 03(ASSIGNED) ULS Search auto-complete suggestions over write the input in Indic - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39101  (10Santhosh Thottingal)
[17:42:57] 	 03(NEW) Entry points on Special:Version does not respect customization - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39102 normal; MediaWiki: Special pages; (umherirrender_de.wp)
[17:43:11] 	 03(NEW) mw.util.wikiScript does not respect customization of entry points - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39103 normal; MediaWiki: JavaScript; (umherirrender_de.wp)
[17:43:28] 	 03(mod) Entry points on Special:Version does not respect customization - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39102  +comment (10Umherirrender)
[17:43:57] 	 @Dantman: Do you have an idea how to solve this problem with the network errors in firebug console ?
[17:45:04] 	 Change merged: Jeroen De Dauw; [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17949
[17:49:06] 	 Change merged: Freakolowsky; [mediawiki/extensions/ConventionExtension] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14049
[17:49:26] 	 New review: Umherirrender; "This break the generator, because the init of" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17651
[17:51:22] 	 New patchset: Kaldari; "Updating CentralNotice to version 2.1" [mediawiki/extensions/CentralNotice] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17626
[17:56:59] 	 03(FIXED) jquery.wikiEditor.dialogs: 'missing' and 'invalid' properties should check against undefined instead of truthy - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39091  +comment (10Rob Moen)
[17:58:15] 	 New review: Kaldari; "This patchset just has some whitespace and comment changes." [mediawiki/extensions/CentralNotice] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17626
[18:00:35] 	 New review: IAlex; "Please do not use "new Message()" directly, but wfMessage() instead." [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17962
[18:00:39] 	 14(INVALID) Inputbox prefix in Arabic Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39026  +comment (10Zack)
[18:03:17] 	 New patchset: Demon; "Adding .gitreview" [mediawiki/extensions/BlameMaps] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17968
[18:03:18] 	 Change merged: Demon; [mediawiki/extensions/BlameMaps] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17968
[18:03:49] 	 03(mod) Switch API to wlm.wikimedia.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39088  +comment (10Arthur Richards)
[18:05:32] 	 03(NEW) Translation Notification personal signature - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39104 enhancement; MediaWiki extensions: TranslationNotifications; (jseddon)
[18:06:31] 	 Change merged: Aaron Schulz; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17958
[18:09:27] 	 New patchset: Mwjames; "SRF Gallery further results (minor)" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticResultFormats] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17969
[18:10:56] 	 New review: IAlex; "Two things:" [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17952
[18:11:05] 	 New review: Reedy; "Ok, so, that current way has a lot of overhead to just get that information..." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17651
[18:11:27] 	 New patchset: Daniel Kinzler; "Tests for EditEntityAction" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17970
[18:11:51] 	 03(mod) WLM App license info from uploadcampaigns API - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38283  +comment (10Brion Vibber)
[18:14:20] 	 i'm tryin got something like this: http://www.pagelines.com/wiki/Main_Page where the headings are pages but the 1st children on that page is listed on the main page. not sure where to find this in the docs.
[18:14:47] 	 03(mod) Curation Toolbar Deletion Tag Wizard: Additional Requirements - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39090  +comment (10Steven Walling)
[18:15:05] 	 so, "Getting Started" is it's own page, but i can see it's first-level topics on my main_page.
[18:16:26] 	 New patchset: Reedy; "Followup c17651/bug 39032" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17971
[18:17:00] 	 New review: Reedy; "https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17971" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17651
[18:17:46] 	 anyone here bot-knowledgable?
[18:18:07] 	 that's at best, a vague question
[18:18:58] 	 03(NEW) Pushing proofreading via notifcations - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39105 enhancement; MediaWiki extensions: TranslationNotifications; (jseddon)
[18:23:43] 	 i guess i want to display another pages TOC on my main page. possible?
[18:26:14] 	 ori-l: Did you get phabricator set up by any chance?
[18:26:42] 	 marktraceur: haven't had a chance, but the appropriate labs instance is configured and you have access
[18:26:46] 	 so if you want to give it a shot, go for it!
[18:28:08] 	 New patchset: Daniel Kinzler; "Tell JS whether editing should be enabled." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17806
[18:28:19] 	 ori-l: Well, I have other things to do today....you know, glaring security flaws and all
[18:28:35] 	 ori-l: But maybe tonight? I don't know yet if it will take a huge amount of time.
[18:28:44] 	 03(NEW) Make EQIAD new primary data-center (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39106 normal; Wikimedia: Site configuration; (erik)
[18:30:09] 	 03(mod) Make EQIAD new primary data-center (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39106  (10Erik Moeller)
[18:30:09] 	 03(mod) Tracking bug (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/2007  (10Erik Moeller)
[18:30:10] 	 03(mod) Add support for deploying per-datacenter config variances - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39082  (10Erik Moeller)
[18:31:07] 	 03(mod) Translation problem at Romanian Wikiquote - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38200  (10Pandelea Daniel)
[18:32:13] 	 03(mod) Add support for deploying per-datacenter config variances - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39082  +comment (10Chad H.)
[18:35:00] 	 New review: Aaron Schulz; "Whats the use case here?" [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17961
[18:35:41] 	 03(mod) WLM app map view shows no attribution - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38744  +comment (10Brion Vibber)
[18:36:38] 	 Change merged: GWicke; [mediawiki/extensions/Parsoid] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17954
[18:37:52] 	 Change abandoned: Jarry1250; "No longer needed" [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (translatesvg) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16076
[18:38:33] 	 New patchset: Parent5446; "Changed Status class to allow passing of Message objects." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17962
[18:40:11] 	 New review: Trevor Parscal; "I have a general concern about the kinds of changes that are being made here and we should talk more..." [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master); V: 0 C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17930
[18:41:29] 	 New patchset: Mwjames; "SRF Gallery further results (minor)" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticResultFormats] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17969
[18:43:11] 	 New patchset: Parent5446; "Changed LoginForm::addNewaccountInternal() to return Status." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17952
[18:44:13] 	 03(mod) Tidy occasionally isn't executed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38273  +comment (10Schniggendiller)
[18:44:27] 	 New patchset: Parent5446; "Changed LoginForm::addNewaccountInternal() to return Status." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17952
[18:47:15] 	 Change merged: Reedy; [mediawiki/extensions/Cite] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11737
[18:47:38] 	 New patchset: Reedy; "Followup c17651/bug 39032" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17971
[18:48:48] 	 why can't colons be used in filenames but can in other namespaces?
[18:49:12] 	 I'm looking for someone to help me make a bot for wikimedia commons, to look for graphs that are made with MATLAB or similar, but dont have any source code attached
[18:49:33] 	 New review: Parent5446; "In change Icb4b5ede I'm adjusting Status to allow it to take Message objects rather than just messag..." [mediawiki/core] (master) C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17961
[18:50:22] 	 New patchset: Catrope; "(bug 11142) Improve file ext error reporting in API upload" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16040
[18:50:35] 	 New patchset: Michael Shavlovsky; "initial commit" [mediawiki/extensions/BlameMaps] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17972
[18:51:46] 	 03(mod) Install extension:SubpageSortkey on wikibooks - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/22911  (10mybugs.mail)
[18:54:01] 	 Change merged: Catrope; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16040
[18:54:48] 	 New patchset: Reedy; "Make EchoHooks::getUnitTests() return true" [mediawiki/extensions/Echo] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17974
[18:55:00] 	 New patchset: Catrope; "(bug 33037) Special:newfiles treat its subpage parameter as a limit" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14680
[18:55:29] 	 Change merged: Catrope; [mediawiki/extensions/Echo] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17974
[18:57:00] 	 03(mod) Echo Call to a member function getText() on a non-object - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39085  +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[18:57:58] 	 03(NEW) Summary and license headers on uploaded wiki page are badly formatted - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39107 normal; WikiLoves Monuments Mobile: Upload; (jrobson)
[18:58:37] 	 gerrit is driving me crasy, trying to download I633fb830 but it always fetches the first patch-set instead of the current (2nd) one... Any ideas why?
[18:59:16] 	 New review: Mwalker; "Did not break anything on my test setup; so whoo! (Also much faster: YAY)" [mediawiki/extensions/CentralNotice] (master); V: 1 C: 1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17626
[18:59:55] 	 03(NEW) PageTriage Undefined index: user_name - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39108 normal; MediaWiki extensions: PageTriage; (sam)
[19:00:52] 	 Change merged: Catrope; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14680
[19:04:53] 	 03(mod) PHP Warning: Invalid argument supplied for foreach() in /www/w/includes/Uri.php on line 262 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39099  +comment (10Niklas Laxström)
[19:09:41] 	 New patchset: Reedy; "Followup c17651/bug 39032" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17971
[19:11:01] 	 New patchset: Adamw; "replace date fields with jquery.ui.datepicker" [mediawiki/extensions/CentralNotice] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17975
[19:12:04] 	 New patchset: Waldir; "improve wfStripIllegalFilenameChars()'s readability" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17976
[19:13:23] 	 03(mod) Date selector on SpecialCentralNotice should use the jquery.ui.datepicker module - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36791   +patch-need-review; +comment (10Adam Wight)
[19:13:33] 	 New patchset: Reedy; "Followup c17651/bug 39032" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17971
[19:18:39] 	 Change merged: Reedy; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17976
[19:21:57] 	 New review: Aaron Schulz; "The WHERE is applied after the ON. The code only JOINs for suppression blocks (ipb_deleted set) via ..." [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17945
[19:22:16] 	 vvv: hola
[19:22:22] 	 aharoni: hi
[19:22:34] 	 Scribunto is the Lua thing, right?
[19:22:41] 	 Yes
[19:22:41] 	 I'm translating the extension.
[19:23:08] 	 Can you please document the 'scribunto-console-intro' message?
[19:23:16] 	 Heh
[19:23:28] 	 That looks like the new debug console feature Tim recently added
[19:23:35] 	 I haven't looked into it yet
[19:23:46] 	 OMFG, don't you have a translatewiki.net account?
[19:24:25] 	 I do have it; why do you ask?
[19:25:29] 	 New patchset: Reedy; "Followup c17651/bug 39032" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17971
[19:27:13] 	 vvv Wanted to send you a direct link to submit translation easily.
[19:27:46] 	 You mean, translate to qqx?
[19:28:41] 	 Yes.
[19:29:18] 	 translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=MediaWiki:Scribunto-console-intro/qqq&action=edit
[19:29:29] 	 better: http://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=MediaWiki:Scribunto-console-intro/qqq&action=edit
[19:29:38] 	 (qqq, not qqx)
[19:30:11] 	 I understand that message, more or less. I don't really know Lua, but I guess what "exports" are. But still, it should be documented by the developer.
[19:30:49] 	 I'm not sure what I am supposed to document
[19:31:13] 	 03(mod) PHP Warning: Invalid argument supplied for foreach() in /www/w/includes/Uri.php on line 262 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39099  +comment (10Tyler Romeo)
[19:31:43] 	 Change merged: Aaron Schulz; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14301
[19:32:58] 	 03(mod) Our *.wikimedia.org cert doesn't properly cover https://pa.us.wikimedia.org/ - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38763  +comment (10Ruslan)
[19:33:23] 	 New patchset: Parent5446; "Changed LoginForm::addNewaccountInternal() to return Status." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17952
[19:33:40] 	 New patchset: Kaldari; "Fixing some tag wizard stuff." [mediawiki/extensions/PageTriage] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17977
[19:33:57] 	 vvv: well, explain where does that message appear, what "module exports" are, and write anything that can be useful to a translator.
[19:34:26] 	 Change merged: Reedy; [mediawiki/extensions/EducationProgram] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16253
[19:34:46] 	 try translating it to Russian and document anything that is hard to translate.
[19:36:03] 	 Well
[19:36:23] 	 The thing about this message is that the reading person is supposed to understand what "module exports" are
[19:36:43] 	 New patchset: John Erling Blad; "Formatting for the Autocomment stuff." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17978
[19:40:23] 	 vvv, The end user - yes, probably. But I'm not sure about the translators. Translators often translate well even when they have no idea what the software actually does :)
[19:42:04] 	 New patchset: MarkTraceur; "Hash passwords (sort of)" [wikimedia/orgchart] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17979
[19:42:25] 	 New patchset: Parent5446; "Separated Article::delete() logic from UI." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17980
[19:44:35] 	 Change merged: MarkTraceur; [wikimedia/orgchart] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17979
[19:45:41] 	 Change merged: Aaron Schulz; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17804
[19:47:38] 	 03(mod) Unable to change file extension while uploading file - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34703  +comment (10Marcin Cieślak)
[19:47:39] 	 New patchset: Ori.livneh; "Track clicks / referrer on user account creation" [mediawiki/extensions/E3Experiments] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17981
[19:51:02] 	 Change merged: Ori.livneh; [mediawiki/extensions/E3Experiments] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17981
[19:51:54] 	 03(mod) Unable to change file extension while uploading file - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34703  +comment (10Mark Holmquist)
[19:54:29] 	 03(mod) New file uploaded should inherit category where upload was started - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39053  +comment (10Marcin Cieślak)
[19:55:14] 	 03(mod) PHP Warning: Invalid argument supplied for foreach() in /www/w/includes/Uri.php on line 262 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39099  +comment (10Bawolff)
[19:57:05] 	 03(mod) New file uploaded should inherit category where upload was started - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39053  +comment (10Mark Holmquist)
[19:57:35] <\s>	 ho there, how do you find out what is different between the last version and 1.19.1?
[19:58:34] 	 release notes may be the first what you'd like to read
[19:59:03] 	 03(mod) Make EQIAD new primary data-center (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39106  normal->15enhancement (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[20:02:30] <\s>	 ahh yea, i didnt see that
[20:04:03] 	 New patchset: Parent5446; "(bug 25471) Added option to delete talk page when deleting." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17982
[20:04:36] 	 03(mod) Add "Delete associated talk page" option to action=delete - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/25471  +comment (10Tyler Romeo)
[20:06:23] 	 03(mod) PHP Warning: Invalid argument supplied for foreach() in /www/w/includes/Uri.php on line 262 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39099  +comment (10Tyler Romeo)
[20:06:24] 	 New review: Umherirrender; "When MediaWiki can have to blocks for one user with difference ipb_deleted, than the username will a..." [mediawiki/core] (master) C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17945
[20:08:33] 	 03(mod) Unable to change file extension while uploading file - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34703  +comment (10Marcin Cieślak)
[20:12:42] 	 03(mod) New file uploaded should inherit category where upload was started - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39053  +comment (10Marcin Cieślak)
[20:12:52] 	 Change merged: Reedy; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17971
[20:13:11] 	 03raymond *  10/trunk/extensions/ (13 files in 13 dirs): Localisation updates from http://translatewiki.net.
[20:13:17] 	 03(mod) Unable to change file extension while uploading file - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34703  +comment (10Mark Holmquist)
[20:14:25] 	 New patchset: Reedy; "Followup c17651/bug 39032" [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.20wmf9) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/18031
[20:14:49] 	 Change merged: Reedy; [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.20wmf9) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/18031
[20:15:07] 	 03(mod) New file uploaded should inherit category where upload was started - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39053  +comment (10Mark Holmquist)
[20:16:04] 	 New review: Aaron Schulz; "I don't trust the GUI here, and its had problems before." [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17945
[20:16:30] 	 New patchset: Raimond Spekking; "Fix registration of the CLDR extension" [translatewiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/18032
[20:17:18] 	 Change merged: Raimond Spekking; [translatewiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/18032
[20:17:21] 	 New patchset: IAlex; "Follow-up I47412b67: pass an array of query parameters to Linker::link()" [mediawiki/extensions/Cite] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/18033
[20:20:54] 	 New review: Reedy; "New message needs adding to messages.inc, and also an addition to Qqq" [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17982
[20:22:35] 	 New patchset: Parent5446; "Separated Article::delete() logic from UI." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17980
[20:23:32] 	 03(mod) If a user's default license is set to a license that isn't allowed in a campaign, the UploadWizard breaks - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39087  +comment (10Maarten Dammers)
[20:23:49] 	 vvv: is http://www.lua.org/pil/15.2.html an acceptable explanation of what the extension calls "module exports"?
[20:24:11] 	 New patchset: Mwjames; "Fix resource definition (minor)" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticResultFormats] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/18034
[20:24:14] 	 Not really, I believe
[20:24:23] 	 New review: Reedy; "New messages need adding to messages.inc. Also, likely needs some moving around to match the change ..." [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17980
[20:25:38] 	 Hmm. So what is?
[20:27:16] 	 New review: Parent5446; "Hmm, didn't realize you had to do that. Will fix in next patch." [mediawiki/core] (master) C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17982
[20:27:32] 	 New review: Parent5446; "Hmm, didn't realize you had to do that. Will fix in next patch." [mediawiki/core] (master) C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17980
[20:28:07] 	 New patchset: Ori.livneh; "Enforce URL length limit on tracked events" [mediawiki/extensions/E3Experiments] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/18035
[20:28:08] 	 New patchset: Ori.livneh; "Add persistent hash as additional PEF datapoint" [mediawiki/extensions/E3Experiments] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/18036
[20:28:31] 	 Change merged: Ori.livneh; [mediawiki/extensions/E3Experiments] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/18035
[20:28:34] 	 New patchset: MarkTraceur; "Fix the backup scripts" [wikimedia/orgchart] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/18037
[20:29:05] 	 New patchset: Kaldari; "Removing squish animation since it causes problems on iPad :(" [mediawiki/extensions/PageTriage] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/18038
[20:30:52] 	 New patchset: Parent5446; "Separated Article::delete() logic from UI." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17980
[20:32:04] 	 New review: Siebrand; "Please add the checkbox conditionally." [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17982
[20:32:58] 	 03(mod) If a user's default license is set to a license that isn't allowed in a campaign, the UploadWizard breaks - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39087  +comment (10Ryan Kaldari)
[20:33:53] 	 New patchset: Parent5446; "Separated Article::delete() logic from UI." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17980
[20:34:29] 	 New patchset: Parent5446; "(bug 25471) Added option to delete talk page when deleting." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17982
[20:35:40] 	 03(mod) VisualEditor: Creating link over an existing link is broken - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37820  +comment (10Liangent)
[20:36:57] 	 vvv: Do you have any pointers to a good explanation about these "module exports" thing?
[20:38:43] 	 aharoni: functions and constants which are exposed by the module to other modules?
[20:39:45] 	 New patchset: Reedy; "Replaced the Course and Institution namespace with a single Education Program namespace." [mediawiki/extensions/EducationProgram] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17079
[20:39:55] 	 New patchset: Parent5446; "(bug 25471) Added option to delete talk page when deleting." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17982
[20:40:02] 	 New patchset: Reedy; "Lets derive from article because a bunch of hook handlers (for instance in flagged revs) are type hinting using Article. Now it's even more of a mess, but that really is hard to avoid with current state of relevant core code :/" [mediawiki/extensions/EducationProgram] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11941
[20:41:39] 	 New patchset: Raimond Spekking; "Fix registrarion for BoilerPlate/BoilerPlate.i18n.alias.php" [translatewiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/18039
[20:42:06] 	 Change merged: Raimond Spekking; [translatewiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/18039
[20:43:20] 	 New patchset: Reedy; "Add touched field so people dont get old versions from the cache" [mediawiki/extensions/EducationProgram] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17183
[20:43:23] 	 New review: IAlex; "Even if I like the idea, there is a lot of things that do not work with this implementation:" [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17980
[20:43:33] 	 New patchset: Reedy; "Prevent users from creating courses or institutions with slashes in their names" [mediawiki/extensions/EducationProgram] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17611
[20:43:36] 	 New patchset: Reedy; "Handle renames of institutions by updating the titles of their courses" [mediawiki/extensions/EducationProgram] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17618
[20:45:29] 	 New patchset: MarkTraceur; "Don't allow injection, because it's bad, mmkay" [wikimedia/orgchart] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/18040
[20:46:07] * marktraceur  tries to have fun with commit messages
[20:46:19] 	 Change merged: MarkTraceur; [wikimedia/orgchart] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/18040
[20:46:35] 	 Change merged: MarkTraceur; [wikimedia/orgchart] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/18037
[20:49:03] 	 Change abandoned: Parent5446; "Cannot be implemented due to compatibility issues." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17980
[20:49:16] 	 Change abandoned: Parent5446; "Dependency was abandoned." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17982
[20:49:29] 	 New patchset: MarkTraceur; "Change login error message" [wikimedia/orgchart] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/18041
[20:49:49] 	 Change merged: MarkTraceur; [wikimedia/orgchart] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/18041
[20:51:19] 	 Change merged: IAlex; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17898
[20:58:46] 	 Change merged: Aaron Schulz; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17686
[21:00:07] 	 New patchset: Mwalker; "[FR2012 #71] Addition of Session Velocity logic" [mediawiki/extensions/DonationInterface] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17895
[21:04:51] 	 03(NEW) certain admin levels are empty - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39109 normal; WikiLoves Monuments Mobile: Browse; (jrobson)
[21:15:51] 	 New patchset: Bsitu; "Personal note on user talk page" [mediawiki/extensions/PageTriage] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/18042
[21:16:21] 	 ialex: are you familiar with $wgConf?
[21:16:32] 	 Nikerabbit: yes
[21:17:49] 	 03(NEW) page on oc: wikipedia returns 'wikipedia is down' message - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39110 normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (andreengels)
[21:18:29] 	 ialex: I'm looking at https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/17925/3 and I don't really know whether that is a good or not good
[21:20:26] 	 New patchset: MarkTraceur; "Fix node counts" [wikimedia/orgchart] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/18043
[21:20:54] 	 domas: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=39110
[21:21:01] 	 New patchset: Bsitu; "Personal note on user talk page" [mediawiki/extensions/PageTriage] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/18042
[21:21:07] 	 Change merged: MarkTraceur; [wikimedia/orgchart] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/18043
[21:22:24] 	 03(mod) Summary and license headers on uploaded wiki page are badly formatted - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39107  +comment (10Brion Vibber)
[21:27:42] 	 Change merged: Ori.livneh; [mediawiki/extensions/E3Experiments] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/18036
[21:28:01] 	 03(mod) Summary and license headers on uploaded wiki page are badly formatted - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39107  +comment (10Brion Vibber)
[21:28:03] 	 New patchset: Catrope; "(bug 37331) Modules sometimes execute twice in Firefox" [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.20wmf8) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/18044
[21:29:12] 	 03(mod) page on oc: wikipedia returns 'wikipedia is down' message - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39110  +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[21:29:25] 	 03(mod) page on oc: wikipedia returns 'wikipedia is down' message - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39110  normal->minor (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[21:29:50] 	 14(DUP) page on oc: wikipedia returns 'wikipedia is down' message - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39110  +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[21:29:50] 	 03(mod) Pages that hit memory limit should fail gracefully - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/14956  +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[21:30:12] 	 New patchset: Jarry1250; "Commit TranslateSvgUtils, a collection of helper functions." [mediawiki/extensions/TranslateSvg] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16891
[21:30:12] 	 New patchset: Jarry1250; "SVGMessageGroup: override isSourceLanguage(), add getOnWikiLanguages()" [mediawiki/extensions/TranslateSvg] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16894
[21:30:37] 	 03(mod) page on oc: wikipedia returns 'wikipedia is down' message - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39110  +comment (10Danny B.)
[21:31:05] 	 Change merged: Reedy; [mediawiki/extensions/EducationProgram] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17079
[21:31:06] 	 New review: Jarry1250; "Patchset 4's a bad'un, ignore it." [mediawiki/extensions/TranslateSvg] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16894
[21:31:39] 	 Reedy! you overran me!
[21:31:56] 	 Orly?
[21:31:59] 	 New review: Jarry1250; "Patchset 5's wrong, ingnore it; look at 4 instead." [mediawiki/extensions/TranslateSvg] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16891
[21:32:14] 	 Reedy: well, at least i've done deeper debugging than you :-P
[21:32:21] 	 Change merged: Reedy; [mediawiki/extensions/EducationProgram] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17183
[21:32:27] 	 they should delete those templates immediately
[21:32:34] 	 New patchset: Ori.livneh; "Update E3Experiments to master" [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.20wmf8) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/18045
[21:33:50] 	 New review: IAlex; "You don't need to store $wgConf in InfoPage since $wgConf->loadFullData() multiple times will only l..." [mediawiki/extensions/WikimediaIncubator] (master); V: 0 C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17925
[21:33:54] 	 Danny_B|backup: if you don't want to, ask domas to :D
[21:34:36] 	 03(NEW) VisualEditor: Link types need to be used by the UI so that the link inspector doesn't fail completely. :-) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39111 critical; VisualEditor: User Interface; (jforrester)
[21:34:48] 	 Change merged: Reedy; [mediawiki/extensions/EducationProgram] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17618
[21:34:48] 	 Change merged: Reedy; [mediawiki/extensions/EducationProgram] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17611
[21:35:01] 	 03(ASSIGNED) VisualEditor: Link types need to be used by the UI so that the link inspector doesn't fail completely. :-) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39111  (10James Forrester)
[21:35:03] 	 Nikerabbit: there you are, but otherwise it seems OK
[21:35:13] 	 Reedy: i don't have delete right there
[21:36:10] 	 New patchset: Jarry1250; "Amend messages, and add new ones as required." [mediawiki/extensions/TranslateSvg] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/18046
[21:36:23] 	 Change merged: Bsitu; [mediawiki/extensions/PageTriage] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17667
[21:37:26] 	 03(FIXED) Summary and license headers on uploaded wiki page are badly formatted - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39107  (10Jon)
[21:39:07] 	 New patchset: Reedy; "Update EP to master" [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.20wmf9) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/18047
[21:40:14] 	 Change merged: Reedy; [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.20wmf9) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/18047
[21:41:22] 	 Reedy: i commented them out for the time being
[21:41:25] 	 03(mod) page on oc: wikipedia returns 'wikipedia is down' message - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39110  +comment (10Domas Mituzas)
[21:41:57] 	 04(REOPENED) VisualEditor: Creating link over an existing link is broken - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37820  +comment (10MZMcBride)
[21:42:08] 	 Oh domas! I didn't realise you'd already made friends over there
[21:42:08] 	 03(mod) page on oc: wikipedia returns 'wikipedia is down' message - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39110  +comment (10Danny B.)
[21:42:43] 	 reedy: wikimedia foundation threatened me with revocation of root access because of that incident
[21:43:32] 	 03(NEW) When creating a new thread, several duplicates are created - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39112 normal; MediaWiki extensions: LiquidThreads; (federicoleva)
[21:44:49] 	 New patchset: Robmoen; "Quick link inspector fix to support recently changed types." [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/18048
[21:45:44] 	 domas: For unblocking yourself?
[21:46:01] 	 It's a shitty default to not allow blocked users to edit their own talk page by default on Wikimedia wikis.
[21:46:13] 	 brooke: for deleting templates and thus insulting the community
[21:46:31] 	 I didn't realize the Wikimedia Foundation opposed insulting the community.
[21:46:33] 	 Is that new?
[21:46:38] 	 Change merged: Catrope; [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/18048
[21:46:55] 	 domas, i <3 your reactions there!
[21:47:12] 	 brooke: sounds new
[21:47:15] 	 :)
[21:47:26] 	 03(mod) VisualEditor: Creating link over an existing link is broken - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37820  +comment (10Liangent)
[21:47:27] 	 danny_b: not everybody did
[21:47:47] * Brooke  checks domas's blog. No recent posts. :-(
[21:47:51] 	 WMF decided to play some broken relay
[21:47:51] 	 03(NEW) noinclude / includeonly context wrongly set to 'include' when processing template parameters - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39113 normal; Parsoid: JS/token-stream transforms; (gwicke)
[21:47:56] 	 particularly the one about capslock and shft deserves quipping
[21:48:08] 	 03(FIXED) VisualEditor: Link types need to be used by the UI so that the link inspector doesn't fail completely. :-) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39111  +comment (10Rob Moen)
[21:48:47] * Danny_B|backup  wonders when he'll be blocked because of commenting out of those templates
[21:49:27] 	 anyway
[21:49:37] 	 it was much more fun when those templates were directly knocking off the cluster
[21:49:42] 	 with bunch of apaches going into swapdeath
[21:49:49] 	 New patchset: Catrope; "Updating VisualEditor" [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.20wmf9) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/18049
[21:50:13] 	 hi
[21:51:34] 	 Reedy: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/18045/ ? *bats eyelashes*
[21:51:43] 	 lol
[21:51:47] 	 I'll do it in a few minutes
[21:52:05] 	 hmm this is better, wikimedia-tech is so geeky for me
[21:52:11] 	 Reedy: i thought i'd be able to -- i got deploy rights yesterday -- but i guess i'm not in the relevant gerrit project group. i just added a request for that, too.
[21:52:46] 	 03(NEW) Remove nagios-wm from #wikimedia-tech - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39114 normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (b)
[21:53:02] 	 danny_b: anyway, your wikimedia career is over! 
[21:53:32] 	 especially when they start to talk about cut fibers:-)
[21:53:43] 	 New patchset: Kaldari; "Fixing tag wizard in IE8, tweaking CSS" [mediawiki/extensions/PageTriage] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/18050
[21:53:57] 	 Change merged: Bsitu; [mediawiki/extensions/PageTriage] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/18038
[21:54:11] 	 hey domas, a while ago you mentioned it would be nice to have max / median age stats from stat items on wmf memcached -- can you explain what the usefulness of that metric is? i wrote a ganglia module that adds these things
[21:55:01] 	 I don't remember!
[21:55:21] 	 domas: convenient :P
[21:55:25] 	 domas: then i definitely need one of your t-shirts!
[21:56:12] 	 ori-l: also, could've been tim
[21:56:34] 	 03(mod) Remove nagios-wm from #wikimedia-tech - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39114  +comment (10Nemo_bis)
[21:56:50] 	 domas: https://rt.wikimedia.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=189#txn-2813
[21:57:56] 	 domas: doesn't matter if you don't remember
[21:58:08] 	 graphs make people feel important, so the more the merrier
[21:58:12] 	 :)
[21:58:32] 	 Speaking of graphs,
[21:58:41] 	 http://reportcard.wmflabs.org/
[21:58:41] 	 New patchset: MarkTraceur; "Add in better icons, compress all, add missing file" [wikimedia/orgchart] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/18051
[21:58:45] 	 Is that data just made up?
[21:58:47] 	 It looks made up.
[21:59:21] 	 Brooke: "this looks shopped, I can tell from the pixels" (-;
[21:59:33] 	 Brooke: /dev/urandom
[21:59:45] 	 ori-l: 2010!
[21:59:55] 	 ashley: "Last month, Wikimedia wikis received 100 billion page views. Muhahaha."
[21:59:57] 	 ori-l: I must have had some very fancy idea in mind 
[22:00:21] 	 OVER 9000 page views!
[22:00:21] 	 ashley: The lack of attribution or raw data for any of the graphs is suspicious.
[22:00:36] 	 Brooke: #wikimedia-analytics
[22:01:03] 	 Change merged: MarkTraceur; [wikimedia/orgchart] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/18051
[22:01:46] 	 !time
[22:01:46] 	 For help with configuring timezones in MediaWiki, please consult .
[22:01:47] 	 Berlin: 00:01 | Los Angeles: 15:01
[22:02:04] 	 03(FIXED) VisualEditor: Creating link over an existing link is broken - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37820  +comment (10James Forrester)
[22:02:29] 	 Juandev: Which one did you want? :P
[22:03:08] 	 marktraceur: wanna know whats time in the US, that its so lively in here
[22:03:27] 	 The US has a few different timezones iirc
[22:04:43] 	 who runs unili436 ?
[22:05:06] * aude  loves the bots
[22:05:32] 	 Juandev: http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/
[22:05:38] 	 google :)
[22:05:52] 	 https://www.google.de/search?q=time+in+hawaii
[22:06:22] 	 saper: :-)
[22:06:25] 	 aude: you and *de* google?
[22:06:33] 	 Danny_B|backup: yes :)
[22:06:54] * marktraceur  thinks everyone should just use GMT.
[22:07:14] 	 New patchset: Subramanya Sastry; "Added giant header comment in serializer + bug fix." [mediawiki/extensions/Parsoid] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/18052
[22:07:43] 	 aude: und sprechen sie deutsch jetzt?
[22:07:55] <^d>	 marktraceur: s/GMT/UTC/
[22:07:59] 	 marktraceur: no, everyone should use UTC
[22:08:07] 	 It's 22:08 everywhere, because that's what England decided. And England gets the last word.
[22:08:41] 	 ich spreche Deutsch sehr gut :)
[22:09:04] 	 Right, UTC it is
[22:09:04] 	 marktraceur: except that in England it is not 23:08 :)
[22:09:10] 	 s,not,now,
[22:09:32] 	 saper: Hm. Multiple time zones? Or are my maths off?
[22:09:41] 	 marktraceur: summertime!
[22:09:53] 	 Oh.
[22:10:13] 	 Change merged: Reedy; [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.20wmf8) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/18045
[22:10:19] 	 Well, that's confusing
[22:11:30] 	 see
[22:11:47] 	 there is always /ctcp  time
[22:13:25] 	 marktraceur: regarding !b 39053 I think we are slowly getting somewhere. I filed this bug against core, since I think it could be also an addition to the standard Special:Upload form, maybe in a preload-like way as you suggest (since this really will work like the "preload" feature)
[22:13:55] 	 New patchset: Kaldari; "If there is only one option in a deletion category, go ahead and select it." [mediawiki/extensions/PageTriage] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/18053
[22:15:50] 	 !b 39053
[22:15:50] 	 https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=39053
[22:16:55] 	 saper: Aahhh. Interesting. I'm not sure what you mean by "preload", though.
[22:32:14] 	 New review: Jdlrobson; "+0.5 rather than a +1" [mediawiki/extensions/ApiSandbox] (master) C: 1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17594
[22:32:45] 	 !preload | marktraceur 
[22:32:45] 	 marktraceur: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Creating_pages_with_preloaded_text
[22:33:03] 	 03(mod) Curation Toolbar Tag Wizard: More Footnotes - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38992  +comment (10Fabrice Florin)
[22:35:52] 	 marktraceur: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Add_Article_to_Category heh
[22:38:02] 	 New patchset: Nullspoon; "Added $wgWhitelistReadRegexp for regex whitelisting" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11137
[22:40:15] * Juandev  time is preparing for zzz time
[22:40:19] 	 03(mod) Curation Toolbar Tag Wizard: Tag Index - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38052  +comment (10Fabrice Florin)
[22:40:32] 	 03(mod) page on oc: wikipedia returns 'wikipedia is down' message - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39110  +comment (10Andre Engels)
[22:40:40] 	 All right, gerrit. This is absolutely ridiculous.
[22:40:52] 	 All I wanted to do was pull the changes I'd made. Maybe five commits.
[22:40:55] 	 marktraceur: what's up with gerrit?
[22:41:29] 	 But no, you want to go through EVERY REBASE IN THE REPOSITORY and have me fix the merge conflicts that are inevitably going to happen
[22:41:29] 	 New review: Nullspoon; "This patch set has a few whitespace problems that I missed. Fixing now." [mediawiki/core] (master) C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11137
[22:41:33] 	 *five* commits? gerrit works only with *one*
[22:42:28] 	 marktraceur: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Git/Gerrit_evaluation#The_case_against_Gerrit feel free to comment 
[22:44:01] 	 saper: Not pushing. Pulling
[22:44:34] 	 saper: In any case, I've decided to take a positive tack, so I'm working with ori-l to put phabricator on labs tonight
[22:45:18] 	 pulling like "git fetch" ?
[22:45:37] 	 I'd be more than happy to try phab
[22:45:59] 	 Erik's email is actually encouraging - the fact that it's *not* tightly tied to git is a big plus
[22:46:23] 	 saper: Sort of. It means we need to set up SSH and things for any users, not necessarily simple
[22:47:59] 	 New patchset: Pgehres; "Adding basic version of GatewayFormChooser as a gateway-agnostic entry point into DonationInterface." [mediawiki/extensions/DonationInterface] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/18055
[22:48:21] 	 New patchset: Bsitu; "deletion tag wizard category description" [mediawiki/extensions/PageTriage] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/18056
[22:49:36] 	 03(mod) Make EQIAD new primary data-center (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39106  (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[22:50:23] 	 saper: I'll ping you if/when we get it running tonight, you can help out with the testing
[23:02:50] 	 03(mod) Curation Toolbar Tag Wizards: Prompts and Text Boxes in Details Panels - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38991  summary; +comment (10Fabrice Florin)
[23:04:32] 	 03(mod) mw.util.wikiScript does not respect customization of entry points - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39103  +comment (10Krinkle)
[23:04:59] 	 New patchset: MarkTraceur; "Make the debug statements a little more sane" [wikimedia/orgchart] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/18057
[23:05:10] 	 Change merged: MarkTraceur; [wikimedia/orgchart] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/18057
[23:05:11] 	 03(mod) mw.util.wikiScript(..) and wfScript(..) do not respect custom $wgScript and $wgLoadScript - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39103  summary (10Krinkle)
[23:07:45] 	 03(mod) "Entry points" section on Special:Version should respect custom $wgScript and $wgLoadScript - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39102  summary; +comment (10Krinkle)
[23:07:46] 	 03(mod) mw.util.wikiScript(..) and wfScript(..) do not respect custom $wgScript and $wgLoadScript - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39103  (10Krinkle)
[23:08:02] 	 03(mod) "Entry points" section on Special:Version should respect custom $wgScript and $wgLoadScript - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39102  (10Krinkle)
[23:08:14] 	 03(mod) mw.util.wikiScript(..) and wfScript(..) do not respect custom $wgScript and $wgLoadScript - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39103  (10Krinkle)
[23:18:20] 	 Change merged: Catrope; [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.20wmf9) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/18049
[23:18:58] 	 New review: Krinkle; "88 miles an hour! Here we go, to da fuuuutcha!" [mediawiki/extensions/CentralNotice] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17626
[23:19:11] 	 Change merged: Krinkle; [mediawiki/extensions/CentralNotice] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17626
[23:19:35] 	 New patchset: Kaldari; "Fixing param labels in Deletion Wizard and removing non-functional (and unneeded) param functionality" [mediawiki/extensions/PageTriage] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/18058
[23:20:26] 	 New patchset: Parent5446; "(bug 39099) Changed error-levels in Uri.php" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/18059
[23:22:02] 	 Change merged: Catrope; [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.20wmf8) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/18044
[23:27:09] 	 New patchset: MarkTraceur; "Change the behavior on no users being connected" [mediawiki/extensions/EtherEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/18060
[23:27:18] 	 New review: Krinkle; "What kind of stuff would be added here? This requires real-world use cases. And perhaps also a bette..." [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17073
[23:27:43] 	 Change merged: MarkTraceur; [mediawiki/extensions/EtherEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/18060
[23:30:13] 	 New review: Krinkle; "Looks good :). Haven't tested yet, but if it passes it should be good to go." [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17186
[23:30:18] 	 New patchset: Nullspoon; "Added $wgWhitelistReadRegexp for regex whitelisting" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11137
[23:33:27] 	 New patchset: Bsitu; "Add label to discussion tag paramter(afd/rfd/mfd)" [mediawiki/extensions/PageTriage] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/18061
[23:44:45] 	 New patchset: Kaldari; "Adding labels to textarea questions in deletion wizard" [mediawiki/extensions/PageTriage] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/18062
[23:47:35] 	 New patchset: Reedy; "Remove unused variables/function values returned" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/18063
[23:52:19] 	 New patchset: GWicke; "Template encapsulation algorithm work in progress" [mediawiki/extensions/Parsoid] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/18064
[23:54:30] * jeremyb  waves paulproteus
[23:54:40] 	 any git news? i don't remember
[23:55:03] 	 seems slightly relevant to "[MediaWiki-l] How to distribute a Mediawiki project?"
[23:55:23] 	 New patchset: Krinkle; "(bug 38987) mediawiki.api.parse.test: Fix test breakage" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/18065
[23:57:18] 	 New patchset: GWicke; "Template encapsulation algorithm work in progress" [mediawiki/extensions/Parsoid] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/18064
[23:57:38] 	 03(NEW) Former account of renamed accounts can be picked up by any user - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39116 critical; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (matthiasbecker1967)
[23:59:19] 	 New patchset: Krinkle; ".gitignore: Add .DS_Store for Mac OS X; Organize and a-Z sort." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/18066