[00:01:03] Betacommand: Thanks... Hmm, just "WikiEditor" seems to be installed...:/ [00:01:05] New patchset: preilly; "Update MobileFrontend to master" [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.20wmf9) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20842 [00:01:19] 03(mod) Make addedwatchtext message, shown after adding talk page to watchlist, less verbose - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/11665 +comment (10Nemo_bis) [00:02:07] 03(mod) Enable e-mailing password based on e-mail address on Wikimedia wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34386 +comment (10Matthew Flaschen) [00:03:04] New review: MarkTraceur; "Hm. See inline." [mediawiki/extensions/UploadWizard] (master) C: -1; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/9528 [00:04:58] New patchset: preilly; "Update MobileFrontend to master" [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.20wmf10) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20843 [00:05:32] Change merged: preilly; [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.20wmf10) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20843 [00:05:34] Change merged: preilly; [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.20wmf9) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20842 [00:05:56] 03(mod) Enable e-mailing password based on e-mail address on Wikimedia wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34386 +comment (10Krenair) [00:08:56] 04(REOPENED) Wikimedia Shop home page has inaccurate page title - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37792 +comment (10MZMcBride) [00:14:55] New patchset: Christian; "Fixing ve.log and ve.dir for IE" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20845 [00:18:30] New patchset: Siebrand; "Maintenance for LiquidThreads extension." [mediawiki/extensions/LiquidThreads] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20846 [00:19:45] 03(FIXED) Cannot filter on ICS 4.0.4 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38896 (10Jon) [00:20:24] 03(FIXED) Tracking bug for 1.0beta1 release of WLM app - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37577 +comment (10Jon) [00:22:45] New review: Siebrand; "Extension if also using a lot of deprecated wfGenerateToken you may want to replace. It would fit th..." [mediawiki/extensions/LiquidThreads] (lqt-updates); V: 0 C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16560 [00:24:54] 03(mod) Filters take up 2 lines in some languages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39313 +comment (10Jon) [00:25:37] 03(WONTFIX) Wikimedia Shop home page has inaccurate page title - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37792 +comment (10James Forrester) [00:32:57] 03(mod) Distance sort order isn't numeric - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39475 +comment (10Jon) [00:33:24] 03(mod) WLMMobile: administrative zones don't strip wikitext from eg [[Arkansas County, Arkansas]] - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39244 (10Jon) [00:34:06] 03(mod) Image loading delay - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38936 (10Jon) [00:37:44] 04(REOPENED) Wikimedia Shop home page has inaccurate page title - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37792 +comment (10MZMcBride) [00:37:53] James_F: You really want to pick your battles here, you know. [00:38:11] Brooke: I'm sorry, was that a threat? [00:38:19] Not in English. [00:38:49] Brooke: I can tell that you don't want it that way, but others do, and in the end, it's their job to decide. [00:38:56] James_F: Not really, no. [00:39:07] As I said, I can't force the title to be accurate. [00:39:18] But we're not going to pretend as though it's right the way it is. [00:39:21] Brooke: Personally I don't really care one way or the other, but I do care when resources are wasted on things like this rather than, you know, making the world a better place. [00:39:21] It isn't. [00:39:37] New patchset: Christian; "IE triggers keyPress for Esc. We should not delete selected text when this keyPress happens." [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20849 [00:39:39] Well, that's what I meant by picking your battles. :-) [00:39:51] But if you want to spend the capital fighting for being wrong in the page title, all right. [00:39:58] I think it's a bit silly. [00:40:05] Brooke: You're the one fighting, not me. :-) [00:40:26] I saw a technical problem and I filed a bug. When the issue is fixed, I'll happily mark the bug as such. [00:40:27] Two re-opens and two comments on a bug? Sure, yeah, we're the ones fighting. :-) [00:40:45] It's not a technical problem. It's a social problem with a technical expression. [00:40:48] Until then, it can stay open. Because it's an open issue. [00:41:33] It's akin to saying "wmfwiki lists Sue Gardner as 'Executive Director', which sucks as a job title; the field should be edited to say 'Director-General'". :-) [00:41:59] For yet-unknown definitions of akin, I suppose. [00:42:48] If Sue were listed as Executive Director of Wikipedia, I'd file a bug. [00:42:53] And I think I may have in the past. [00:42:58] She tried it in one fundraiser. [00:43:04] No, she didn't. [00:43:08] The fundraising team did. [00:43:21] Srsly, blaming the wrong target is the best possible way to piss people off. :-) [00:43:28] It was above her signature. [00:43:43] So is an awful lot of stuff. She's the ED, everything we do is in her name. [00:43:45] Err, below, I guess. But you get what I mean. Quite literally signed off on. [00:43:53] Quite literally not. [00:44:08] Anyway, it's a closer analogy. But still mostly irrelevant. [00:44:20] The other way to resolve this bug would be to rename the shop to "The Wikimedia and Wikipedia Shop". [00:44:26] But that would just create more bugs. [00:46:04] I'm confused. What resolution do you want? [00:46:28] 03(mod) ImageFetcher doesn't fetch images for all monuments in list - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39182 +comment (10Jon) [00:46:31] New patchset: Catrope; "Remove references to data-mw-gc" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20851 [00:47:11] James_F: The title changed to "The Wikimedia Shop". [00:47:20] Because that's its name. [00:47:40] If it's renamed, the title should match the new name. [00:48:45] > Meta, a Wikipedia and Wikimedia project coordination wiki [00:49:27] New patchset: Inez; "Fix transact event handle in ve.dm.SurfaceFragment to handle array of transactions being passed as the argument (instead of just one transaction as it was before)." [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20852 [00:50:10] Change merged: Catrope; [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20852 [00:52:03] New patchset: Inez; "Fix grammar." [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20853 [00:53:07] Change merged: Catrope; [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20853 [01:57:23] 03(mod) Enable e-mailing password based on e-mail address on Wikimedia wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34386 +comment (10Asher Feldman) [02:09:25] any mw.org crats around? [02:15:36] jeremyb: yeah, what do you need? [02:16:09] Skizzerz: can i get a transwiki bit? [02:16:29] any pages you have in mind for transferring over? [02:16:42] 03(mod) High-density display issues (tracking) xhdpi hdpi Retina high-resolution HiDPI - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/32101 +comment (10Daniel Friesen) [02:16:48] w:template:subst1 and it's documentation [02:17:04] for now, that's what i want to actually use atm [02:17:43] i could have just copied it manually but i think this is cleaner (i've used transwiki in a few other cases on other SUL wikis) [02:17:49] ok, can you make a request on either [[Project:Requests]] or [[User talk:Skizzerz]] [02:17:53] Pfft [02:17:56] I'll jfdi [02:18:03] or that :P [02:18:05] hah [02:18:29] done [02:18:55] hah, more than i asked for ;) thanks [02:22:01] heh, it makes no practical difference but I checked the site config before asking to see if enwiki was in importsources and apparently I looked at the wrong row when reading across. (metawiki is right below mediawikiwiki) [02:22:14] both have enwiki as a source they just state it a little differently [02:22:56] huh, this is a new one for me: Destination root page (optional): [02:23:00] * jeremyb will leave blank [02:23:05] .* [02:23:20] Remember, mw.org is running 1.20wmf10 ;) [02:25:34] ohhh, right [02:28:24] 03(WONTFIX) Wikimedia Shop home page has inaccurate page title - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37792 +comment (10Oliver Keyes) [02:29:21] * jeremyb doesn't like how 
 is also implying . that's a new thing, right??
[02:30:03] 	 no
[02:30:13] 	 been like that for ages
[02:30:37] 	 is there a way to turn it off? just do a div with the right styles?
[02:30:52] 	 why not use 
[02:30:52] 	 to mimic 
[02:31:06] 	 can you use that for mediawiki syntax?
[02:31:17] 	 the point is i wanted to bold a part of the code
[02:32:02] 	 I suppose without a use case I'm not sure what you're trying to do
[02:32:25] 	 I mean, I know what you're trying to do, I don't know why
[02:33:15] * jeremyb  was editing [[Template:Developer access request editnotice]]
[02:38:28] 	 yeah, styled div is all I can think of
[02:39:50] 	 i think (at least on mw.org) this does it all: 

[02:41:22] 	 Pretty sure Geshi is enabled on mw:
[02:43:11] 	 it is, but it also doesn't allow wiki markup
[02:43:17] 	 which is what he's going for
[02:43:37] 	 
[02:44:15] 	 04(REOPENED) Wikimedia Shop home page has inaccurate page title - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37792  +comment (10MZMcBride)
[02:45:07] 	 i'm not going for syntax hilighting anyway
[02:45:17] 	 i wanted to hilight the stuff to fill in vs. the stuff to not touch
[02:45:54] 	 hah, Brooke
[02:45:59] * jeremyb  isn't even reading the bug
[02:46:14] 	 It's like a British cabal or something.
[02:46:26] 	 http://anthonybush.com/projects/markdown_extra_geshi/
[02:46:27] 	 james alexander is not british. i assure you
[02:46:36] 	 but not wikiwiki syntax...
[02:46:45] 	 Yeah, I've met him.
[02:46:53] 	 I've met all three people, even, I think.
[02:47:10] 	 It's a bit strange to see people so forcefully arguing for being wrong.
[02:47:28] 	 i've met them all
[02:47:34] 	 It's one thing to have genuine disagreement about the state of things, but this seems like such a clear-cut issue...
[02:47:39] 	 A bit bizarre.
[02:47:51] * Brooke  shrugs.
[02:48:04] 	 idk, but i haven't actually looked at the pages themselves either
[02:48:24] 	 i mainly cared about the repitition in $1 | $1
[02:48:31] 	 but that's fixed (sounds like)
[02:48:42] 	 I don't think that was ever a bug.
[02:48:57] 	 It was "The Wikimedia Shop | The Wikipedia Shop", but I think that was intentional.
[02:48:58] 	 huh?
[02:49:07] 	 right. i'm saying that's weird
[02:49:19] 	 It's now "The Wikimedia and Wikipedia Shop" or similar.
[02:49:19] 	 why not just "The Wikimedia Shop"?
[02:49:28] 	 Heh, why not indeed. ;-)
[02:49:34] 	 That's what I was arguing for.
[02:49:42] 	 what do you want anyway? "The WMF Shop"?
[02:49:44] 	 oh, ok
[02:49:53] 	 I think the title should match the shop name.
[02:49:56] 	 Heretic that I cam.
[02:49:58] 	 am
[02:50:23] 	 i think they should make a seperate shop page just for Brooke with a custom name
[02:50:30] 	 separate
[02:50:40] 	 I think they should just not intentionally mislabel things.
[02:51:21] 	 hey sumanah. tweaking developer access now
[02:53:28] 	 14(DUP) Add "external links"/"external tools" section to MediaWiki's info action - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38537  +comment (10Madman)
[02:53:28] 	 03(mod) Add header and footer messages to MediaWiki's info action - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38556  +comment (10Madman)
[02:53:43] 	 more duping...
[02:54:11] 	 I have a bunch of extension that were recently moved to git (such as VoteNY, https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/gitweb?p=mediawiki/extensions/VoteNY.git;a=tree), which should be using open push; I cloned them, made changes, committed changes....and the push fails. I don't seem to have a similar issue with Phalanx, which clearly _is_ using open push. help?
[02:54:39] 	 ashley: well first check the config. is it open push or not?
[02:54:58] 	 how would I do that? :)
[02:55:23] 	 https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/admin/projects/mediawiki/extensions/CentralAuth,access
[02:55:29] 	 replace CentralAuth with whatever
[02:55:33] 	 what's it say?
[02:56:33] 	 or alternatively: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/gitweb?p=mediawiki/extensions/CentralAuth.git;a=blob;f=project.config;hb=refs/meta/config
[02:57:06] 	 comparing https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/admin/projects/mediawiki/extensions/Phalanx,access and https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/admin/projects/mediawiki/extensions/VoteNY,access ...doesn't look very open push-y to me
[02:57:19] 	 21 01:08:18 < ttyS3> Hi. How can I delete my history of previously used IPs? I can't autoblock some users ... Message from Special:BlockList: "your IP address has been recently used by $other_user_which_should_be_blocked"
[02:57:23] 	 21 01:24:15 < ttyS3> And autoblocks expires after 24h.
[02:57:25] 	 21 01:38:47 < ttyS3> The problem is, I used IPs from open Proxys/VPN previously and now I can't (auto)block the same IPs which are used from spammers.
[02:58:18] 	 ashley: you can maybe fix that yourself?
[02:58:38] 	 i think
[02:59:07] 	 Clearly the answer is to submit an RFA as I did so he'll be IP-block exempt.
[02:59:09] 	 The server admin asked me if I can give him a pointer, where to look.
[02:59:09] 	 :p
[02:59:20] 	 New review: MarkTraceur; "A) Good to have rationale, or at least a link to the rationale." [mediawiki/extensions/ThumbParser] (master) C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16260
[02:59:21] 	 Oh, this is on another wiki?
[02:59:53] 	 jeremyb: maybe, if I knew what I should be doing :-/
[03:01:20] 	 RogueMadman: It's the wiki from openmoko.
[03:01:55] 	 If you're an admin you shouldn't be affected by autoblocks, I shouldn't think. As an open proxy checker I do what you did all the time. :?
[03:04:42] 	 I'm getting...
[03:04:43] 	 fatal: pack has 1121 unresolved deltas
[03:04:43] 	 fatal: index-pack failed
[03:04:52] 	 When I try "git pull" on my dev MediaWiki copy.
[03:04:54] 	 Is it possible to add a textbox to the sidebar? I am looking to maintain some kind of global message in a sidebar across the entire wiki.
[03:05:00] 	 I can pastebin the full output...
[03:05:38] 	 Skizzerz: ashley: Brooke: try the big huge request an acct link at [[developer access]]. how do you like my tweaks?
[03:06:29] 	 http://p.defau.lt/?IGfslFBl_2LhVV5j6tBQ6Q
[03:06:33] 	 Isn't git pull the same as svn co?
[03:06:35] 	 Roughly?
[03:06:52] 	 errr, no
[03:06:55] 	 svn up
[03:07:03] 	 Oh, sorry. That's what I meant.
[03:07:11] 	 I'm just trying to get my dev copy updated. :-/
[03:07:23] 	 git remote -v
[03:07:25] 	 I don't understand all this delta noise.
[03:07:27] 	 git remote update
[03:07:37] 	 Hmmm. If you don't have any local changes, you can just do what I always do: git reset --head origin/master; git pull origin master
[03:07:40] 	 (pastebin those)
[03:07:41] 	 RogueMadman: I'm not affected by autoblocks. Maybe i misinterpreted the message from Special:Ipblocklist
[03:07:44] 	 $ git remote -v
[03:07:44] 	 origin	https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/p/mediawiki/core.git (fetch)
[03:07:44] 	 --hard*
[03:07:44] 	 origin	https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/p/mediawiki/core.git (push)
[03:07:58] 	 "git remote update" is now running.
[03:08:24] 	 RogueMadman: someone without a gerrit account at all is unlikely to make local changes. i think
[03:08:50] 	 Hm? I do plenty of local changes I don't intend to submit for review.
[03:08:56] 	 Testing extensions and the like.
[03:09:00] 	 ttyS3: What's the output from Special:Ipblocklist?
[03:09:03] 	 jeremyb: http://p.defau.lt/?0SJM29AAFaUCVREtIu1R0w
[03:09:14] 	 I hate git.
[03:09:18] 	 RogueMadman: right, but you *do* have an account
[03:09:22] * jeremyb  <3 git!
[03:09:34] 	 It knows where the git repo is. Why is it being so awful?
[03:09:35] 	 At work, we're switching to Git.
[03:09:40] 	 New review: MarkTraceur; "Some random thoughts, if you just respond to them I'd be relatively happy." [mediawiki/extensions/ConfirmEdit] (master) C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16869
[03:09:51] 	 So I'd better learn to love it.
[03:09:53] 	 Brooke: git rev-parse HEAD
[03:10:04] 	 $ git rev-parse HEAD
[03:10:04] 	 112c80d5fcd4922a6a309661b036b7cff6ca38ad
[03:10:17] 	 Git really needs to work on more user-friendly error messages.
[03:10:19] 	 RogueMadman: "your IP address has been recently used by $other_user_which_should_be_blocked"
[03:10:24] 	 And by really I mean really really really.
[03:10:26] 	 03(mod) Add header and footer messages to MediaWiki's info action - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38556  +comment (10MZMcBride)
[03:10:36] * Brooke  eyes wikibugs.
[03:10:38] 	 Bit lagged.
[03:11:17] * jeremyb  does a pull himself
[03:11:22] 	 I'll probably implement it as a message with no parameters that's parsed (wikitext, etc.)
[03:11:26] 	 Brooke: git status -sb
[03:11:30] 	 03(mod) Wikimedia Shop home page has inaccurate page title - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37792  +comment (10Isarra)
[03:11:37] 	 I'll test with fullpagename and the like to make sure that works.
[03:12:22] 	 jeremyb: error: unknown switch `b'
[03:12:39] 	 Brooke: git status -s
[03:12:45] 	 your git must be old
[03:12:49] 	 $ git status -s
[03:12:49] 	 ?? mediawiki2
[03:12:59] 	 $ git --version
[03:12:59] 	 git version 1.7.0.3
[03:13:27] 	 $ git --version
[03:13:27] 	 git version 1.7.2.5
[03:13:40] 	 Should I just do a new git checkout?
[03:13:57] 	 I honestly have no idea how anyone gets anything done with Git.
[03:14:14] 	 not necessarily. would be good to figure this out
[03:14:33] 	 And put it in the common error messages in [[mw:Git/Workflow]] or the like.
[03:14:33] 	 so you're now at july 21
[03:15:24] 	 also google the msg
[03:15:34] 	 is codurr supposed to be here?
[03:16:22] 	 I don't know.
[03:16:25] 	 One problem at a time.
[03:17:01] 	 Brooke: you have no local changes to save, right?
[03:17:13] 	 I don't think so.
[03:17:15] 	 I don't really know.
[03:17:19] 	 Brooke: git reset --hard
[03:17:35] 	 $ git reset --hard
[03:17:35] 	 HEAD is now at 112c80d Merge "(bug 37926) Split 'deleterevision' right for log entries"
[03:17:39] 	 right
[03:17:51] 	 Now I'm trying "git pull" again.
[03:17:54] 	 Hmm.
[03:17:56] * jeremyb  wonders what else to do
[03:18:06] 	 I think the first time I did a git checkout, I specified a depth or something.
[03:18:08] 	 Could that be it?
[03:18:15] 	 git reset --hard origin/master has never failed for me.
[03:18:15] 	 yes, certainly
[03:18:23] 	 I didn't want a million deltas or whatever.
[03:18:28] 	 RogueMadman: he's already on a merged commit...
[03:18:35] 	 It's the nuke from orbit option. :)
[03:18:47] 	 Brooke: i think that may be (or maybe not) asking for trouble. i've never done it
[03:18:48] 	 I just want a copy of the latest MediaWiki. :-(
[03:18:55] 	 Well, yes, I know the parameter isn't necessary. :p
[03:18:59] 	 This used to be so straightforward.
[03:20:22] 	 It is my largest complaint about git, Brooke.
[03:20:23] 	 I can't believe we're switching to Git at work. The current system's easy enough.
[03:23:45] 	 Brooke: what was your original depth?
[03:24:52] 	 I don't remember.
[03:24:55] 	 2, maybe?
[03:25:16] 	 Brooke: you could try `git fetch --depth=newdepth origin master`
[03:25:20] 	 but idk which depth to use
[03:26:15] 	 Okay.
[03:26:20] 	 I'll probably just do a new checkout.
[03:26:47] 	 one other thing to try first
[03:27:03] 	 Brooke: `git-fetch-pack`
[03:27:23] 	 Is that a command?
[03:27:31] 	 hrmm, let me see
[03:29:15] 	 hah, it looks like that command doesn't support http/https (only local or ssh)
[03:29:54] 	 yeah, i just successfully ran `git fetch-pack wmf-gerrit:mediawiki/core.git master`
[03:30:11] 	 Brooke: do a new checkout kthx ;)
[03:30:28] 	 So what was the issue here?
[03:30:32] 	 and (seperately) get a gerrit account!
[03:30:33] 	 I didn't checkout often enough?
[03:30:37] 	 separately
[03:30:42] 	 i have no idea
[03:31:07] 	 Yes, I'm rushing to get a Gerrit account. The future seems so bright.
[03:31:29] 	 Brooke: did you try `git reset --hard origin/master` already ?
[03:32:01] 	 i don't see how that would help much though. the problem is not your index nor is your working dir
[03:32:18] 	 $ git reset --hard origin/master
[03:32:18] 	 HEAD is now at 112c80d Merge "(bug 37926) Split 'deleterevision' right for log entries"
[03:32:30] 	 yeah, not gonna make a difference
[03:32:31] 	 Clearly I'm just broken.
[03:32:40] 	 New patchset: Bsitu; "Fix for bug/39474" [mediawiki/extensions/PageTriage] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20855
[03:32:46] 	 yup
[03:32:52] 	 that you are
[03:32:57] 	 oh, wait
[03:33:05] 	 Brooke: you could force a gc or repack
[03:33:34] 	 This all seems like a longer way of just re-checking out.
[03:33:40] 	 yeah, go for it
[03:33:55] 	 03(mod) If you try to apply a tag to a deleted page, it just spins instead of giving you an error - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39474  (10bsitu)
[03:34:08] 	 Brooke: did you check out my changes?
[03:34:41] 	 No, I didn't have a link.
[03:34:43] 	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Developer_access
[03:34:48] 	 Looks the same?
[03:34:56] 	 https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Developer_access&action=edit§ion=new&preload=Template:Developer_access_request_preload&editintro=Template:Developer_access_request_editnotice
[03:34:56] 	 click teh link to make a request
[03:35:00] 	 More pink?
[03:35:18] 	 I don't quite remember the old version. What changed?
[03:36:33] 	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/?diff=prev&oldid=574153 and https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/?diff=prev&oldid=574148
[03:37:10] 	 we were getting requests for username = bash or tcsh
[03:37:18] 	 so i changed name -> username
[03:37:27] 	 and tweaked a little more
[03:37:36] 	 i can use a different color if you have a suggestion
[03:40:50] * jeremyb  has to sleep
[03:43:08] 	 "Autoblocked because your IP address has been recently used by  $other_user_which_should_be_blocked"  Does this message mean that the autoblock is reversed because I used the IP too previously or is the IP still blocked?
[03:45:32] 	 03(NEW) Pathological amount of DB queries, and redundant DB queries, on some custom templates - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39519 normal; MediaWiki extensions: Semantic MediaWiki; (patrick.lauer)
[03:45:36] 	 The IP is still blocked. That's the block message that appears for the other user.
[03:48:12] 	 New patchset: Subramanya Sastry; "Several template tracking fixes." [mediawiki/extensions/Parsoid] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20856
[03:48:37] 	 RogueMadman: ??
[03:49:47] 	 RogueMadman: ok. then i misinterpreted the message. Is it possible to increase the expire time for autoblocks?
[03:49:52] 	 Betacommand: ??
[03:50:02] 	 ????
[03:50:03] 	 I think so; let me find the global.
[03:50:21] 	 http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/$wgAutoblockExpiry
[03:50:30] 	 RogueMadman: thx
[03:50:43] 	 Sure.
[03:51:47] 	 Betacommand: ??
[03:51:48] 	 :x
[03:55:22] 	 03(mod) Wikimedia Shop home page has inaccurate page title - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37792  +comment (10James Alexander)
[03:58:00] 	 03(NEW) Cannot parse the Fila PCN template from es.wikipedia.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39520 normal; Parsoid: JS/DOM; (david.narvaez)
[04:03:43] 	 Change merged: Santhosh; [mediawiki/extensions/WebFonts] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20835
[04:05:15] 	 03(mod) Wikimedia Shop home page has inaccurate page title - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37792  +comment (10MZMcBride)
[04:05:25] 	 More bugspam.
[04:08:38] 	 is there a way for wgAccountCreationThrottle to work without memcached ?
[04:10:08] 	 Betacommand: I think it should (technically) work, using any of the caching mechanisms.
[04:10:20] 	 Efficient is another problem :)
[04:10:51] 	 csteipp: this is for a rather small wiki that is getting hammered by spammers
[04:11:03] 	 TimStarling: Have you given any thought to how Module pages could/would be categorized? Is there any way to categorize the pages currently?
[04:12:58] 	 I haven't thought about it, but maybe you can do it the same way as with javascript currently
[04:13:26] 	 for [[MediaWiki:Common.js]] etc. there's a wikitext parse operation that happens on page save
[04:13:36] 	 the categories are saved and the rest of the result is thrown away
[04:13:57] 	 Yeah. I've always found that a bit weird.
[04:14:13] 	 The links don't even appear at the bottom of the MediaWiki page, right?
[04:14:25] 	 03(FIXED) Wikimedia Shop home page has inaccurate page title - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37792  +comment (10James Alexander)
[04:15:25] 	 https://test.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Hello_there
[04:15:26] 	 Hmmm.
[04:15:29] 	 https://test.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.js
[04:16:12] 	 https://test.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Test.js works.
[04:16:35] 	 Anyway, I was just thinking about global modules/templates and how you'd want to organize them.
[04:42:37] 	 New patchset: Santhosh; "Make the preferences singleton" [mediawiki/extensions/UniversalLanguageSelector] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20857
[04:42:37] 	 New patchset: Santhosh; "Updated version from upstream" [mediawiki/extensions/UniversalLanguageSelector] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20858
[04:42:37] 	 New patchset: Santhosh; "Use new jquery.uls and preferences system" [mediawiki/extensions/UniversalLanguageSelector] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20859
[04:42:38] 	 New patchset: Santhosh; "Allow selection of font for content language" [mediawiki/extensions/UniversalLanguageSelector] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20695
[05:25:13] 	 03(mod) The Wikipedia link in about page points to the global main page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38981  +comment (10Amir E. Aharoni)
[05:26:07] 	 New patchset: Amire80; "(bug 35990) Fix schwa syncope for words ending with space" [mediawiki/extensions/Narayam] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16272
[05:27:50] 	 New review: Amire80; "Rebased." [mediawiki/extensions/Narayam] (master); V: 0 C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16272
[05:39:33] 	 New review: Amire80; "Thank you for fixing. Looks good. Tried to run it and it worked." [mediawiki/extensions/PageTriage] (master) C: 1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20827
[05:54:21] 	 New review: Nikerabbit; "Two whitespace issues, but can be fixed in new commit to avoid updating all dependent commits." [mediawiki/extensions/UniversalLanguageSelector] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20857
[05:58:18] 	 New review: Nikerabbit; "Didn't find regressions in quick testing." [mediawiki/extensions/UniversalLanguageSelector] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20695
[05:58:18] 	 Change merged: Siebrand; [mediawiki/extensions/UniversalLanguageSelector] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20858
[05:58:19] 	 Change merged: Nikerabbit; [mediawiki/extensions/UniversalLanguageSelector] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20859
[05:58:19] 	 Change merged: Nikerabbit; [mediawiki/extensions/UniversalLanguageSelector] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20857
[05:58:19] 	 Change merged: Nikerabbit; [mediawiki/extensions/UniversalLanguageSelector] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20695
[06:00:22] 	 New patchset: Aaron Pramana; "Watchlist grouping" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16419
[06:01:46] 	 03(mod) Separate mediawiki installations with shared user database - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39462  (10simone.hinterseher)
[06:08:52] 	 New patchset: Spage; "Add experiments to lint target." [mediawiki/extensions/E3Experiments] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20860
[06:10:35] 	 03(mod) E:OpenID and separate mediawiki installations with shared user database - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39462  summary (10T. Gries)
[07:22:32] 	 03(mod) moving a protected page broke the logs - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38123  summary (10matanya)
[07:27:27] 	 03(mod) Searching without fuzzy character % returns a blank page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39276  +comment (10Raimond Spekking)
[07:39:07] 	 New patchset: Raimond Spekking; "Update optional keys per https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/19770/2/ArticleFeedbackv5.i18n.php,unified" [translatewiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20861
[07:39:30] 	 Change merged: Raimond Spekking; [translatewiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20861
[07:50:35] 	 New patchset: Nikerabbit; "bug 39513" [translatewiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20862
[07:54:40] 	 Change merged: Nikerabbit; [mediawiki/extensions/cldr] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20819
[07:56:39] 	 03(mod) Pathological amount of DB queries, and redundant DB queries, on some custom templates - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39519  +comment (10Markus Krötzsch)
[08:10:55] 	 New patchset: Henning Snater; "fixes required due to jQuery 1.8.0 update" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20863
[08:15:42] 	 Change merged: Nikerabbit; [translatewiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20862
[08:22:48] 	 hello
[08:23:33] 	 what is best way or plugin to convert *.doc to mediawiki?
[08:24:59] 	 03(mod) Pathological amount of DB queries, and redundant DB queries, on some custom templates - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39519  +comment (10Patrick Lauer)
[08:28:05] 	 Change merged: Tobias Gritschacher; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20863
[08:30:19] 	 Change merged: Tobias Gritschacher; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20703
[08:33:19] 	 New patchset: Santhosh; "Whitespace, typo, jshint fixes" [mediawiki/extensions/UniversalLanguageSelector] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20864
[08:36:36] 	 yabadabbadoo
[08:38:26] 	 03(mod)  in property throws fatal error - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/30717  +comment (10Nischay Nahata)
[08:41:19] 	 hotbackup of DB :D 
[08:45:02] 	 why is this thing [[File: foo.pdf |this]]  not working as one would expect?
[08:45:12] 	 i.e why does it write "File: foo.pdf" instead of "this" ?
[08:52:17] 	 New patchset: John Erling Blad; "(Bug 37385) Initial commit for checking edit conflicts [DO NOT MERGE]" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20679
[08:54:22] 	 03(mod) JavaScript error thrown because of wrong css selectors in skins.vector javascript module - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39504  +comment (10Michael M.)
[08:57:17] 	 Anyone try to get light box javascript going on mediawiki
[08:57:18] 	 New review: Adamw; "Rad!  It even compiles and runs." [mediawiki/extensions/Parsoid] (master); V: 1 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20511
[08:57:45] 	 what is best way or plugin to convert *.doc to mediawiki?
[08:57:46] 	 Was trying to get fancy box , whic seems to work mechanically , but is not showing up in the borwser
[09:01:40] 	 well off to sleep.
[09:03:21] 	 diverdude: why would i need to ... they don't change ... if it get's broken i just reinstall ... images are safe, confighs are safe, db is safe ... why would you have to worry about static files
[09:03:31] 	 03(NEW) Search button uses deprecated attributes width and height - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39521 minor; MediaWiki: Skin: Vector; (listenleser)
[09:08:48] 	 well you do have to use the same version as the one you had prior to crash ... so that doesn't cout (at least for me) as an argument
[09:12:38] 	 New patchset: Amire80; "Whitespace, typo, jshint fixes" [mediawiki/extensions/UniversalLanguageSelector] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20864
[09:17:51] 	 New patchset: Chughakshay16; "Some major changes" [mediawiki/extensions/ConventionExtension] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20747
[09:20:07] 	 Change merged: Santhosh; [mediawiki/extensions/UniversalLanguageSelector] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20864
[09:22:23] 	 New patchset: Daniel Kinzler; "Fix error when calling EntityContent::save repeatedly." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20865
[09:24:29] 	 diverdude: The upgrade manual has info on how to do the backup. Run that daily.
[09:27:12] 	 New patchset: Santhosh; "Make the close button of language settings work" [mediawiki/extensions/UniversalLanguageSelector] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20866
[09:39:13] 	 03(ASSIGNED)  in property throws fatal error - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/30717  +comment (10Markus Krötzsch)
[09:42:24] 	 hi, i am looking for an IRC bot with API commands for mediawiki. So far i've found frameworks for API, and a TCL irc bot which i cant seem to get to work.
[09:42:28] 	 any suggestions ?
[09:48:16] 	 New patchset: Santhosh; "Make the close button of language settings work" [mediawiki/extensions/UniversalLanguageSelector] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20866
[09:48:43] 	 New review: Markus Kroetzsch; "Let's focus on SemanticData first." [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/19378
[09:50:12] 	 New patchset: Daniel Werner; "Improved editable aliases and prepared its DOM structure for grid layout" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20868
[09:51:55] 	 New review: Tim Starling; "The JS side can be done either way: either by providing an interface to fetch the uncompiled plural ..." [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20006
[09:56:04] 	 New patchset: Aude; "add docs for getContentInternal()" [mediawiki/core] (Wikidata) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20869
[10:01:18] 	 New patchset: Santhosh; "unnecessary module additions in addModule" [mediawiki/extensions/UniversalLanguageSelector] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20870
[10:02:43] 	 New patchset: Chughakshay16; "Some major changes" [mediawiki/extensions/ConventionExtension] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20747
[10:05:34] 	 Change merged: Freakolowsky; [mediawiki/extensions/ConventionExtension] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20747
[10:07:45] 	 New patchset: Markus Kroetzsch; "Improve robustnes of URI values against errors" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20871
[10:08:35] 	 Change merged: Markus Kroetzsch; [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20871
[10:09:19] 	 03(FIXED)  in property throws fatal error - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/30717  +comment (10Markus Krötzsch)
[10:10:21] 	 Change merged: Amire80; [mediawiki/extensions/UniversalLanguageSelector] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20866
[10:12:12] 	 Change merged: Amire80; [mediawiki/extensions/UniversalLanguageSelector] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20870
[10:14:20] 	 03(mod) LQT notification email (enotif) are sent for replies/new threads on watchlisted pages/threads regardless of users' enotif settings - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39513  (10Nemo_bis)
[10:14:22] 	 03(mod) ENotif/EConfirm & further enhancements (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/1932  (10Nemo_bis)
[10:14:22] 	 03(mod) MediaWiki needs a sane notification system (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/32281  (10Nemo_bis)
[10:14:23] 	 Change merged: Ori.livneh; [mediawiki/extensions/E3Experiments] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20860
[10:15:22] 	 03(FIXED) Enable Narayam and Webfonts extensions on "mr" projects - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39200  (10Niklas Laxström)
[10:15:35] 	 New patchset: Markus Kroetzsch; "Minor change to avoid duplicate error reporting" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20872
[10:16:14] 	 Change merged: Markus Kroetzsch; [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20872
[10:19:55] 	 03(NEW) Update QUnit tests to use new no-globals and assert-object pattern - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39522 normal; MediaWiki extensions: WikidataRepo; (Danweetz)
[10:19:59] 	 Change merged: Jeroen De Dauw; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20688
[10:20:18] 	 03(mod) Update QUnit tests to use new no-globals and assert-object pattern - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39522   +need-volunteer (10Daniel Werner)
[10:25:05] 	 Hi, Doe anybody knows how can i hide error messages from top of mediawiki pages?
[10:26:18] 	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "ignore stuff moved to core in coverage reports" [mediawiki/extensions/Diff] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20874
[10:26:38] 	 03(ASSIGNED) Pathological amount of DB queries, and redundant DB queries, on some custom templates - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39519  +comment (10Markus Krötzsch)
[10:28:35] 	 New patchset: Tpt; "(bug 37483) Prp now create automaticaly index and page namespaces if they are not set." [mediawiki/extensions/ProofreadPage] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17643
[10:28:45] 	 03(NEW) Punjabi Gurumukhi - Phonetic keymap update - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39523 normal; MediaWiki extensions: Narayam; (shijualex)
[10:29:42] 	 Change merged: Tobias Gritschacher; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20699
[10:39:38] 	 New patchset: Tobias Gritschacher; "fix: we need the clientInterwikiLinkList again!" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20875
[10:41:19] 	 New review: Jens Ohlig; "Finally ;)" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20875
[10:41:19] 	 Change merged: Jens Ohlig; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20875
[10:49:31] 	 New patchset: Nikerabbit; "Optimizing addNavigationTabs" [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20877
[10:49:41] 	  Hi, Doe anybody knows how can i hide error messages from top of mediawiki pages?
[10:50:41] 	 New patchset: Daniel Kinzler; "Revision::getContent must return clone if mutable" [mediawiki/core] (Wikidata) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20878
[10:51:21] 	 New patchset: Santhosh; "Move regionfilter to a seperate javascript file" [mediawiki/extensions/UniversalLanguageSelector] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20879
[10:54:14] 	 New review: Daniel Kinzler; "@john: see inline reply" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20865
[11:04:28] 	 New review: Siebrand; "All comments fixed in next PS. Thanks for the review." [mediawiki/extensions/LiquidThreads] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20846
[11:06:10] 	 Is it possible to transclude a particular version of a template?
[11:06:59] 	 03(mod) JavaScript error thrown because of wrong css selectors in skins.vector javascript module - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39504  +comment (10Christian Thiele)
[11:08:06] 	 Change merged: Nikerabbit; [mediawiki/extensions/UniversalLanguageSelector] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20879
[11:08:54] 	 New review: Aude; "This redirects to the item page in English.  This could be smarter and consider user language prefer..." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 0 C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20726
[11:09:10] 	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "improve test coverage" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20880
[11:16:35] 	 New patchset: Siebrand; "Maintenance for LiquidThreads extension." [mediawiki/extensions/LiquidThreads] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20846
[11:16:35] 	 Change merged: Jeroen De Dauw; [mediawiki/extensions/Diff] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20874
[11:20:28] 	 Change merged: Siebrand; [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20877
[11:23:41] 	 New patchset: Aude; "(Bug 39201) Redirect Split:ItemByTitle to item insted of displaying inline" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20726
[11:23:44] 	 New review: Siebrand; "Few comments on formatting of i18n file and L10n support." [mediawiki/extensions/ConventionExtension] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20747
[11:24:52] 	 New patchset: Aude; "(Bug 39201) Redirect Split:ItemByTitle to item insted of displaying inline" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20726
[11:38:32] 	 New patchset: Santhosh; "Cache the region filter results" [mediawiki/extensions/UniversalLanguageSelector] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20881
[11:43:23] 	 03(NEW) action=info uses untranslated (raw) protection permissions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39524 minor; MediaWiki: Internationalization; (mormegil)
[11:56:59] 	 03(NEW) Update tidy to a version that knows the latest HTML5 tricks - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39525 normal; Wikimedia: Language setup; (s.mazeland)
[11:56:59] 	 03(mod) Tidy sucks (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/2542  (10Siebrand)
[11:57:00] 	 03(mod) HTML5 (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/19719  (10Siebrand)
[11:57:01] 	 03(mod) The  tag is sanitized - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31817  (10Siebrand)
[12:06:35] 	 New patchset: Daniel Kinzler; "EditPage cleanup - parser errors, etc" [mediawiki/core] (Wikidata) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20882
[12:14:42] 	 03(FIXED) A bad filename should be changed silently instead of stopping the upload with "unknown-warning" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39220  (10Daniel P.)
[12:16:28] 	 New patchset: Santhosh; "Bind the language links using jquery on and not in loop" [mediawiki/extensions/UniversalLanguageSelector] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20883
[12:18:03] 	 04(REOPENED) A bad filename should be changed silently instead of stopping the upload with "unknown-warning" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39220  (10Raimond Spekking)
[12:29:39] 	 New patchset: Santhosh; "Avoid jquery filter for the region div for each language" [mediawiki/extensions/UniversalLanguageSelector] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20884
[12:31:10] 	 I have a bunch of extensions hosted on WMF git with open push (the group "extension-ExtensionName" can create references, push, push merge commits and is the owner of that extension); what happens if someone with git/labs access who is _not_ a member of extension-ExtensionName group wants to commit a patch to one of these extensions? will it be pushed to master or will it be rejected altogether or will it go to gerrit?
[12:31:49] 	 New patchset: Nischayn22; "Fix handling of Container objects." [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/19378
[12:33:35] 	 03(NEW) Autopatroll and Patrollergroup for Da.Wikiquote - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39526 normal; Wikimedia: Site configuration; (simeondahl)
[12:33:46] 	 New patchset: Mwjames; "SMW messages" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20885
[12:37:09] 	 03(NEW) Add Autopatrolled group on Da.wikisource - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39527 normal; Wikimedia: Site configuration; (simeondahl)
[12:39:09] 	 Change merged: Amire80; [mediawiki/extensions/UniversalLanguageSelector] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20883
[12:42:35] 	 03(mod) "thumb" should be preselected as format in the dialog to insert an image - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38827  +comment (10kipod)
[12:48:58] 	 03(mod) action=info uses untranslated (raw) protection permissions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39524  (10Madman)
[12:50:11] 	 03(mod) Autopatroll and Patrollergroup for Da.Wikiquote - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39526  +comment (10Simeon Dahl)
[12:51:04] 	 03(mod) Add Autopatrolled group on Da.wikisource - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39527  +comment (10Simeon Dahl)
[13:02:44] 	 New patchset: Madman; "Bug 39524 - action=info uses untranslated (raw) protection permissions" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20886
[13:02:54] 	 Jarry1250: Hallo. Your work with TranslateSVG is really impressive.
[13:03:45] 	 aharoni: Thank you, I really appreciate it. (Also, thanks for your bug re: .justtranslated, only just noticed that.)
[13:04:02] 	 so here's another teeny-tiny thing:
[13:04:35] 	 the message translate-svg-export-unsupported should probably have a real clickable link.
[13:05:17] 	 aharoni: Yeah... I thought much the same thing myself, but I wondered about the cost of "lego" messages.
[13:05:35] 	 no need for lego here. you can make it a $1 param, for example.
[13:06:10] 	 03(mod) Toolbar components are reversed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39367  +comment (10ineuw)
[13:06:24] 	 New patchset: Tobias Gritschacher; "enhanced protected_page test to check for a normal user AND the anonymous user;" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20887
[13:06:34] 	 Ah, but I would call that lego. Though if you think that translators can copy with having $1 in their sentences where $1 is link text, then of course I'll change that.
[13:06:39] 	 *cope
[13:06:50] 	 Change merged: Tobias Gritschacher; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20887
[13:06:56] 	 I mean, I've done it on some more common messages (this one is very uncommon)
[13:07:01] 	 this is not lego.
[13:07:04] 	 New patchset: Madman; "Bug 39524 - action=info uses untranslated (raw) protection permissions" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20886
[13:07:12] 	 this is OK, it's quite common.
[13:07:14] 	 just document it.
[13:07:20] 	 "$1 is a link to Bugzilla."
[13:07:29] 	 03(mod) Toolbar components are reversed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39367  +comment (10ineuw)
[13:07:32] 	 New patchset: Madman; "Bug 39524 - action=info uses untranslated (raw) protection permissions" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20886
[13:07:45] 	 aharoni: Well, I think exemplifies how difficult I find it to get into the mindset of a translator without being one myself :) Thanks!
[13:07:57] 	 Lego is having one message that says "report this bug in" and another message that says "bugzilla". That's a no-no.
[13:08:37] 	 but doing it as "report this bug in $1" is fine.
[13:08:58] 	 aharoni: Ah, noted.
[13:09:10] 	 !dump | bluesm 
[13:09:10] 	 bluesm: For information on how to get dumps from Wikimedia Wikis, see http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Data_dumps
[13:09:37] 	 Jarry1250: Sometimes it's justified to have the actual content of $1 in another message, but you should have a good reason for that, and you absolutely must document it in both messages.
[13:10:03] 	 This is done in descriptions of user rights, for example.
[13:10:15] 	 !import
[13:10:15] 	 To import pages a few pages, use Special:Import - you can also import pages directly from another wiki (see !importsources). For mass imports, use importDump.php - see  for details. NOTE: when using content from another wiki, follow the LICENSE TERMS, especially, attribute source and authors!
[13:10:15] 	 aharoni: Yeah, I did that already for some other messages I think :) 
[13:10:19] 	 New review: Madman; "Works for me (Seitenschutz (erstellen), Seitenschutz (bearbeiten), usw.) now that the change is in t..." [mediawiki/core] (master) C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20886
[13:14:14] 	 New review: Jeroen De Dauw; "Yes, please also add the qqq :)" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20885
[13:14:14] 	 Change merged: Jeroen De Dauw; [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20885
[13:15:30] 	 Change merged: Jeroen De Dauw; [mediawiki/extensions/UploadWizard] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20838
[13:17:45] 	 03(mod) Custom toolbar buttons location changes - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38218  +comment (10ineuw)
[13:25:25] 	 New patchset: Kontokostas; "Added javascript annotation parsing supoprt" [mediawiki/extensions/LightweightRDFa] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20888
[13:25:26] 	 New patchset: Kontokostas; "Added javascript annotation writing support" [mediawiki/extensions/LightweightRDFa] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20889
[13:27:41] 	 New patchset: Mwjames; "SMW messages" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20890
[13:35:28] 	 how does one load a javascript file w/ "addHeadItem()" ?
[13:36:51] 	 Change merged: Amire80; [mediawiki/extensions/UniversalLanguageSelector] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20884
[13:39:10] 	 toddWork, you should try to use the resourceloader
[13:39:17] 	 Platonides: 
[13:39:23] 	 Change merged: Jeroen De Dauw; [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20890
[13:39:42] 	 yes?
[13:39:44] 	 New patchset: Mwjames; "SRF jqplot, change plugin version jquery.jqplot.1.0.3r1118" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticResultFormats] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20891
[13:39:45] 	 ok, i added my skin to the array but my script is not being called; 
[13:39:57] 	 so i must not be hooking into right.
[13:40:01] 	 did you also call addModules() ?
[13:40:15] 	 (checking. . . i'm extending a skin)
[13:40:24] 	 adding to $wgResourceModules registers it but doesn't show it everywhere
[13:40:41] 	 no addmodules is not called, i'll add it.
[13:42:45] 	 New patchset: Siebrand; "Update config: -WebFonts -lqtnotifytalk" [translatewiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20892
[13:44:38] 	 Change merged: Jeroen De Dauw; [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticResultFormats] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20891
[13:45:03] 	 Platonides: works now. thank you.
[13:45:45] 	 New review: DaSch; "I think you missed one thing. I'm maintaining this extension and it's double work when doing this wi..." [mediawiki/extensions/ThumbParser] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16260
[13:45:56] 	 you're welcome :)
[13:46:02] 	 Change merged: DaSch; [mediawiki/extensions/ThumbParser] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16260
[13:46:15] 	 Change merged: Siebrand; [translatewiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20892
[13:49:21] 	 New review: Platonides; "Why is it easier in github?" [mediawiki/extensions/ThumbParser] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16260
[13:51:15] 	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Added GUID generator" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20893
[13:56:12] 	 03(mod) Footnotes content should appear in a tooltip - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/7908  +comment (10zlight)
[13:56:53] 	 New patchset: Aude; "use dir=auto for pt-userpage" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20894
[14:12:09] 	 New review: Platonides; "Please also check the follow-ups: c16873 (Ib23dc4c7) and c16872 (I94a84e70)" [mediawiki/extensions/ConfirmEdit] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16869
[14:13:41] 	 03(mod) Session may not be started for non-logged-in API edits, causing captcha to fail - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37643  +comment (10Platonides)
[14:13:44] 	 New review: Platonides; "Commented on the bug" [mediawiki/extensions/ConfirmEdit] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/11722
[14:14:18] 	 Change merged: Amire80; [mediawiki/extensions/UniversalLanguageSelector] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20881
[14:14:48] 	 hi aharoni - just wanted to say hi, I marked a couple of changesets for your attention yesterday
[14:15:10] 	 I wish Gerrit had language like "would you mind taking a look?" rather than I WANT YOU TO REVIEW THIS in the notification email
[14:15:32] 	 sumanah: Yep, saw it. It's very helpful. I already did something with them.
[14:15:43] 	 New patchset: Daniel Kinzler; "Improved content model handling in ApiEditPage" [mediawiki/core] (Wikidata) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20895
[14:15:44] 	 New patchset: Daniel Kinzler; "Made ApiParse aware of ContentHandler" [mediawiki/core] (Wikidata) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20896
[14:16:08] 	 I don't always have time to take a look at these requests immediately, but it's still one of the most helpful things to get code reviewed.
[14:16:17] 	 aharoni: great! glad it's useful
[14:19:49] 	 I wonder how much space it would take if we were to ship a password strength tool based on known dumped passwords
[14:20:15] 	 ooh, passwd strength tool
[14:26:26] 	 New patchset: Daniel Kinzler; "cleaned up comments in DifferenceEngine" [mediawiki/core] (Wikidata) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20898
[14:26:51] 	 New review: Platonides; "+2" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20831
[14:28:26] 	 New review: Nikerabbit; "Message documentation needs updating, lcfirst should probably be inside the message and the inner me..." [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20886
[14:33:58] 	 Hello everyone, could someone tell me how does one go about registering their extension on mediawiki.org ?
[14:36:17] 	 sumanah: Hi sumana,
[14:36:32] 	 Hi chughakshay16!
[14:36:42] 	 sumanah: ^^ :)
[14:37:28] 	 chughakshay16: If you have an extension that you want to add to this site, create a new page and add the extension template to the top of it (or create a new extension article). This will create a useful infobox and add the template to this category. See Template:Extension for details. You should also add as much detail as possible to the body of the page, and it is wise to check back fairly regularly to respond to user questions.
[14:37:28] 	 Extensions that create new hooks within the extension code should register them on extension hook registry.
[14:37:36] 	 from https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Category:Extensions#Extension_authors
[14:37:56] 	 sumanah: just read that here -- http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Category:Extensions
[14:38:12] 	 sumanah: is that all one needs to do ?
[14:38:58] 	 chughakshay16: well, it's a place to start :D
[14:39:53] 	 sumanah: okay, thanks !
[14:40:39] 	 Tch... why is it so hard to find any of the old dumps of leaked passwords
[14:40:59] 	 Dantman: no pastebin search?
[14:41:03] 	 :/ the black hats naturally already know where they all are... why is it so hard for a white hat to find them?
[14:41:25] 	 hi
[14:41:47] 	 sumanah: im here
[14:42:01] 	 I'm looking at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:PrefixIndex/User:Steven_Zhang and I see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Steven_Zhang/otherstuff.js
[14:42:05] 	 "// Adds a "Changes since last load" link to your watchlist.  "
[14:42:29] * aude  wonders where are the linkedin passwords?
[14:42:32] 	 looks like that was last modified on Sept 24, 2009, so I am not surprised that MediaWiki changes in 2012 ended up breaking that
[14:42:36] 	 oh
[14:42:39] 	 lol ;p
[14:42:40] 	 diverdude: Try google: mediawiki upgrade manual
[14:42:57] 	 yes many of my scripts are olf
[14:42:59] 	 old
[14:43:08] 	 Steven_Zhang: who was it who wrote that bit?
[14:43:14] 	 03(NEW) thumb.php reports "File not found" error - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39528 normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (alexander_berlin)
[14:43:45] 	 i dont remember :)
[14:43:46] 	 diverdude: How lazy are you? And do you expect me to remember every link by heart?
[14:43:49] 	 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_User_scripts/Scripts/Watchlist_since
[14:44:03] 	 Lupin probably
[14:45:10] 	 !update | diverdude 
[14:45:11] 	 diverdude: update.php is a script that updates the database tables. You usually need to run it after upgrading MediaWiki or installing certain extensions. For details, see 
[14:46:41] 	 sorted <3
[14:46:49] 	 So, Steven_Zhang, I suggest you post to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_User_scripts/Requests and ask that https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_User_scripts/Scripts/Watchlist_since get updated to work with the current version of the code -- and if I were you I would suggest "let's gadgetize this"
[14:47:00] 	 I AM A TOBI
[14:47:01] 	 Reedy: "Sam for his general omnipresence" <-- I don't think I've ever seen a truer statement on wikitech-l :)
[14:47:04] 	 I AM A TOBI
[14:47:35] 	 are you?^^
[14:47:44] 	 Onlz Jeroen knows
[14:47:48] 	 I#m going to ki.. you, JeroenDeDauw
[14:48:04] 	 Because you're a tobi?
[14:48:48] 	 what's this spamming the irc channel?
[14:49:14] 	 Apparently we have a Black Kite flapping around...
[14:50:40] 	 (sumanah: Sent that round email to be wikitech-l btw, should also be in your inbox)
[14:50:48] 	 Thank you Jarry1250 - got it!
[14:51:02] 	 I doubt you'll have had time to read it all yet though ;)
[14:51:08] 	 :)
[14:51:36] 	 Jarry1250: Thank you so much for succinctly explaining what Reedy does around here, it made my morning
[14:52:32] 	 Jarry1250: hope there will be something about your project in the signpost :D
[14:52:37] 	 aude: there was!
[14:52:41] 	 yay!
[14:52:46] 	 :)
[14:52:48] 	 aude: You missed it :) Interviewed myself.
[14:52:54] * aude  looks
[14:53:09] 	 Jarry1250: cool stuff! who come up with this idea?
[14:53:28] 	 Nikerabbit: Which idea?
[14:53:50] 	 Jarry1250: translating svg:s
[14:53:51] 	 aude: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2012-07-23/Technology_report was "my" week, and we've had what, three others since
[14:54:48] 	 Nikerabbit: Oooh, well, because I'm a Toolserver user, I ended up taking over (just for teh lulz) svgtranslate, which is similar buts forks images
[14:55:00] 	 Jarry1250: thanks
[14:55:11] * aude  must have been on holiday then
[14:55:26] * aude  almost always reads the tech report
[14:55:31] 	 Nikerabbit: On the discussion page for the tool, someone pointed out the problems of forking images, and hence the  idea was born
[14:55:43] 	 WMF i18n/l10n team sprint demo is about to start: http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/mediawiki-i18n/2012-August/000530.html
[14:56:27] 	 marktraceur: Do I dare try to find whatever it is you are on about? :p
[14:56:33] 	 aude: Well, you did more than just read it for a while :)
[14:56:40] 	 Jarry1250: indeed
[14:57:13] 	 Reedy: He's referring to the "acknowledgements" section of my GSoC wikitech-l roundup, I believe, where I thank you for your "omnipresence" on IRC
[14:57:16] 	 :)
[15:00:36] <[8BB76E1]>	 Hi.. I was just wondering if it's possible to get older extensions somewhere.. I'm interested in this extension: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Multilang but is seems it's not available anymore.. 
[15:01:06] <[8BB76E1]>	 and unfortunately, I couldn't find anything similar..
[15:01:47] 	 https://svn.wikimedia.org/svnroot/mediawiki/trunk/extensions/Multilang/
[15:02:00] 	 nobody joining our sprint demo? :(
[15:03:55] * aude  would join if it was not during work hours
[15:04:24] 	 it counts as work for me
[15:04:33] 	 yeah
[15:08:56] 	 New patchset: Matthias Mullie; "Bug 39451 - Protect articles to limit feedback on protected or semi-protected articles" [mediawiki/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20899
[15:09:51] <[8BB76E1]>	 oh, thanks Reedy.. ^^ so this is it? I found this before, but I wasn't sure with which version can it be used..
[15:10:20] 	 New patchset: Daniel Kinzler; "Add Content::matchMagicWord" [mediawiki/core] (Wikidata) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20900
[15:10:23] 	 MediaWiki	> 1.7 (1.6.10) < 1.16
[15:10:28] 	 I don't know how true that actually isd..
[15:11:37] <[8BB76E1]>	 hmm.. I guess I'll find out soon.. ^__^
[15:12:17] 	 03(mod) Protect articles to limit feedback on protected or semi-protected articles - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39451  +comment (10Matthias Mullie)
[15:14:02] 	 New patchset: Matthias Mullie; "Bug 39283 - many articlefeedbackv5-activity-* messages are lego (patchwork)" [mediawiki/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20037
[15:14:32] 	 Nikerabbit: A) It's early in San Francisco :( B) I would be there if I could use more different software!
[15:16:34] 	 New patchset: Daniel Kinzler; "Add Content::matchMagicWord" [mediawiki/core] (Wikidata) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20900
[15:20:41] 	 New patchset: Jarry1250; "Second merge commit generated from the translatesvg branch" [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20901
[15:21:50] 	 New patchset: Mwjames; "SRF jqplot, add zoom capability" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticResultFormats] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20902
[15:25:02] 	 New patchset: Jarry1250; "Third and final merge commit from the translatesvg branch" [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20903
[15:25:12] 	 New patchset: Daniel Werner; "Improved editable aliases and prepared its DOM structure for grid layout" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20868
[15:25:54] 	 03(mod) Global deleted image review for Commons admins - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/14801  +comment (10Tomasz W. Kozłowski)
[15:26:29] 	 New patchset: Mwjames; "SRF jqplot, add zoom capability" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticResultFormats] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20902
[15:32:05] 	 Change merged: Jeroen De Dauw; [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticResultFormats] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20902
[15:33:11] 	 New review: Jeroen De Dauw; "One suggestion, inline :)" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticResultFormats] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20902
[15:33:43] 	 New patchset: Daniel Kinzler; "Updating of redirect target in Content objects" [mediawiki/core] (Wikidata) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20904
[15:36:37] 	 New patchset: IAlex; "Show tagfilter, when transclude RC special pages" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17669
[15:42:10] 	 marktraceur: how early?
[15:43:56] 	 Change merged: IAlex; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17669
[15:45:13] 	 New review: Mdale; "tested locally. Looks good." [mediawiki/extensions/UploadWizard] (master); V: 0 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16777
[15:45:33] 	 New review: Mdale; "tested locally. Looks good." [mediawiki/extensions/UploadWizard] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16777
[15:47:08] 	 03(mod) Session may not be started for non-logged-in API edits, causing captcha to fail - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37643  +comment (10Brad Jorsch)
[15:47:51] 	 03(NEW) Display settings section should be selected by default - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39529 normal; MediaWiki extensions: UniversalLanguageSelector; (pginer)
[15:47:54] 	 03(FIXED) add parseParameters to parseParams() at SpecialNewpages and SpecialRecentchanges - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/22581  +comment (10Umherirrender)
[15:48:00] 	 03(mod) Display settings section should be selected by default - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39529   +i18n (10Pau Giner)
[15:48:26] 	 Change merged: IAlex; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20666
[15:54:47] 	 New patchset: Parent5446; "New hook ApiCheckCanExecute." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20905
[15:55:20] 	 03(mod) Global deleted image review for Commons admins (allow per-namespace granting of deletedtext permission) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/14801  summary (10Nemo_bis)
[15:55:21] 	 New patchset: Daniel Kinzler; "Make LinkFilter handle Content objects" [mediawiki/core] (Wikidata) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20906
[15:56:39] 	 03(mod) Global deleted image review for Commons admins (allow per-namespace granting of deletedtext permission) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/14801  (10Nemo_bis)
[15:57:38] 	 03(NEW) $wgBlockDisablesLogin should also revoke emailconfirmed status - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39530 normal; MediaWiki: User blocking; (rjd0060.wiki)
[15:58:11] 	 03(NEW) Do not show font selection when there is no choice - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39531 normal; MediaWiki extensions: UniversalLanguageSelector; (pginer)
[15:58:13] 	 New patchset: IAlex; "Use LogFormatter to format rights log." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20515
[15:58:22] 	 03(mod) Do not show font selection when there is no choice - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39531   +i18n (10Pau Giner)
[15:58:39] 	 New review: Daniel Kinzler; "gah! this jenkins failure is completely unrelated! wtf?" [mediawiki/core] (Wikidata); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20900
[15:58:40] 	 03(mod) Global deleted image review for Commons admins (allow per-namespace granting of deletedtext permission) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/14801  +comment (10Nemo_bis)
[15:58:52] 	 New patchset: Matthias Mullie; "Added LogPage::saveContent hook allowing modification of the data inserted in logging table" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20907
[16:03:17] 	 New patchset: Matthias Mullie; "Fill logging.log_page column with the id of the article who's feedback is being operated on" [mediawiki/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20908
[16:03:55] 	 03(mod) Global deleted image review for Commons admins (allow per-namespace granting of deletedtext permission) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/14801  +comment (10matanya)
[16:06:05] 	 Is there a link in the UI to action=credits anywhere?
[16:06:24] 	 If not, should one be added? Or should it be merged into history?
[16:06:50] 	 New review: TheDJ; ""use dir=auto for pt-userpage"" [mediawiki/core] (master) C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20894
[16:09:21] 	 Nikerabbit: Well, it's UTC-7 here. So....early.
[16:09:40] 	 Nikerabbit: I mean, I'm at the office, but I'm also mildly insane.
[16:10:36] 	 marktraceur: I know the feeling, having to wake up 8 for every second tuesday to prepare sprint is torture
[16:10:58] 	 New patchset: Daniel Kinzler; "Add Content::matchMagicWord" [mediawiki/core] (Wikidata) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20900
[16:11:04] 	 New review: Reedy; "So, if a string is returned, MW will throw a FatalError exception and go die, what about if it retur..." [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20905
[16:13:33] 	 New review: John Erling Blad; "I think we need a discussion about the wanted properties from this function, or from the context whe..." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20893
[16:13:40] 	 New patchset: Daniel Kinzler; "Updating of redirect target in Content objects" [mediawiki/core] (Wikidata) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20904
[16:13:48] 	 Nikerabbit: I dunno, I wouldn't say torture, just not ideal. I guess a lot of people 'round 'ere tend to get in relatively late
[16:14:30] 	 New patchset: Subramanya Sastry; "Several template tracking fixes." [mediawiki/extensions/Parsoid] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20856
[16:15:39] 	 TimStarling: Do you know details about why parser tests are maintained for both, parserTest.php and unit tests? Wouldn't it be easier to get rid of one. Right now they behave differently. I have looked into this a little over the past days.
[16:16:15] 	 Danwe, the file is the same
[16:16:47] 	 TimStarling is likely to be sleeping, btw
[16:16:57] 	 it's strange he's not TimAway at this time
[16:18:22] 	 Oh, JeroenDeDauw, you merged the authorship patch
[16:18:36] 	 I was going to wait for everyone to +1 it, but OK
[16:19:54] 	 03(mod) https does not show Wikimedia Error page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39077  -shell  (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[16:20:41] 	 New review: John Erling Blad; "To clearify; I think the code using this function should either request a new UUID if the supplied U..." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20893
[16:21:19] 	 03(mod) Import old revisions from dump to restore missing revisions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39008  +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[16:23:59] 	 Actually, better idea. Merge action=credits into action=info
[16:24:01] 	 New review: Parent5446; "If it returns false it will just stop executing. It seems the convention being used in ApiMain::chec..." [mediawiki/core] (master) C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20905
[16:24:24] 	 Brooke: what about that?
[16:24:58] 	 New review: TheDJ; "1 small whitespace issue, but otherwise looks good to me." [mediawiki/core] (master) C: 1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20656
[16:27:10] 	 New patchset: Daniel Werner; "Improved editable aliases and prepared its DOM structure for grid layout" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20868
[16:29:06] * AaronSchulz  wonders if James_F is well rested
[16:29:24] 	 :-)
[16:29:28] 	 Change merged: IAlex; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/19994
[16:31:09] 	 New review: MarkTraceur; "Good work generally, I of course have some nits to pick." [mediawiki/extensions/ConfirmEdit] (master) C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16873
[16:31:48] 	 New review: Jeroen De Dauw; "I already started the discussion on the list. This commit is about adding a GUID generator, not abou..." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20893
[16:31:48] 	 New review: IAlex; "The usage of LogPage class to add new log entries is more or less deprecated and the code is being c..." [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20907
[16:34:26] 	 Change merged: John Erling Blad; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20865
[16:36:18] 	 New review: MarkTraceur; "I'm not all up in arms about this, but see inline anyway, it could be helpful stuff." [mediawiki/extensions/ConfirmEdit] (master) C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16872
[16:36:32] 	 04(REOPENED) Special:OnlineAmbassadors gives internal error message - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39205  +comment (10Sage Ross)
[16:38:38] 	 03(NEW) Don't process some items in Belarusian monuments lists - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39532 normal; Monuments database: Database; (p.selitskas)
[16:39:15] 	 New patchset: Siebrand; "Replace deprecated wfMsg* calls with Message class calls." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20661
[16:39:54] 	 New review: Siebrand; "Thanks. Comments fixed in PS2." [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20661
[16:42:51] 	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Implementing subscription support for statements and their sub components [DO NOT MERGE]" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20909
[16:43:18] 	 03(mod) Reviewer autocompletion failing - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39333   +upstream; +comment (10Chad H.)
[16:45:00] 	 New review: MarkTraceur; "<3 that you're using Python, it's been a lot of fun reading this. I'll probably hop in and do some h..." [mediawiki/extensions/ConfirmEdit] (master) C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16869
[16:46:13] 	 03(mod) Don't process some items in Belarusian monuments lists - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39532  (10Effeietsanders)
[16:46:13] 	 03(mod) Add sources to Wiki Loves Monuments 2012 monuments database (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38314  (10Effeietsanders)
[16:46:51] 	 03(mod) Don't process some items in Belarusian monuments lists - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39532  normal->04BLOCKER (10Paul Selitskas)
[16:47:18] 	 New review: DaSch; "It starts with commandline" [mediawiki/extensions/ThumbParser] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16260
[16:47:43] 	 03(ASSIGNED) Add the relevant provinces in Russia to the database - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39170  +comment (10Maarten Dammers)
[16:48:09] 	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "load name field also needed to create link" [mediawiki/extensions/EducationProgram] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20910
[16:48:41] 	 03(FIXED) Special:OnlineAmbassadors gives internal error message - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39205  +comment (10Jeroen De Dauw)
[16:48:51] 	 marktraceur: idly wondering if somewhere we have a note about where and when Python is appropriate.  /me is a lot more comfortable reading python than PHP. 
[16:51:41] 	 chrismcmahon: I'm going to guess that it's a rare case where Python is preferred....I don't know why the ConfirmEdit code was initially written in Python, but I agree, it's much nicer to read.
[16:52:14] 	 chrismcmahon: I would also have accepted JavaScript, and sumanah has been kind enough to send me those patches as well :)
[16:55:03] 	 New review: John Erling Blad; "Darn, this takes more and more time to run!" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20880
[16:55:04] 	 Change merged: John Erling Blad; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20880
[16:56:19] 	 marktraceur: one of these days I'm going to sneak in some Ruby.  I have a strong case for a particular application, I'm just biding my time :)
[16:57:34] 	 03(FIXED) Add Panama in Spanish to the monuments database - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38327  +comment (10Platonides)
[16:57:37] 	 chrismcmahon: Oooh, I think just about everyone will hate that :) except, apparently, the ops people. They've been pretty clear that they're agnostic.
[16:59:47] 	 New review: MarkTraceur; "I'm holding off on most whitespace review, because it appears that this extension is totally not fol..." [mediawiki/extensions/LightweightRDFa] (master) C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20888
[17:02:25] 	 03(NEW) Merge action=credits into action=info - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39533 normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (krenair)
[17:02:26] 	 03(mod) Reimplement MediaWiki's info action (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38450  (10Krenair)
[17:03:01] 	 03(NEW) Special:MyCourses does not list any activity - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39534 normal; MediaWiki extensions: EducationProgram; (ragesoss)
[17:05:43] 	 Change merged: IAlex; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20661
[17:10:07] 	 New review: Matthias Mullie; "Oh; since LogPage is actually using ManualLogEntry, I assumed it'd be preferred to keep using the mo..." [mediawiki/core] (master) C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20907
[17:15:22] 	 New review: John Erling Blad; "The special page is used for identification of an item, not for switching user language" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20726
[17:16:30] 	 Change merged: Bsitu; [mediawiki/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20037
[17:18:34] 	 New patchset: MarkTraceur; "(bug 31189) Add languages that exist and have a template" [mediawiki/extensions/UploadWizard] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/9528
[17:19:35] 	 New review: Matthias Mullie; "The same kind of hook will have to be added though to enable what I'd want. LogEntry also automatica..." [mediawiki/core] (master) C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20907
[17:21:32] 	 sumanah: Thanks for the Python review! Pleasant way to start the day.
[17:21:54] 	 marktraceur: :)
[17:24:33] 	 New patchset: Siebrand; "Replace deprecated wfMsg* calls with Message class calls." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20911
[17:24:47] 	 New patchset: John Erling Blad; "(Bug 39201) Redirect Split:ItemByLabel to item insted of displaying inline" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20446
[17:27:02] 	 New review: MarkTraceur; "Also, apparently the module will silently fail, rather than give any sort of helpful error message. ..." [mediawiki/extensions/UploadWizard] (master) C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12269
[17:27:51] 	 Change merged: Bsitu; [mediawiki/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20009
[17:32:38] 	 New patchset: Mwjames; "SRF jqplot, RL modularization" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticResultFormats] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20912
[17:35:06] 	 New review: John Erling Blad; "Should not make anything fail, it only hurt my feeling to merge code that use something named "com_c..." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20893
[17:35:07] 	 Change merged: John Erling Blad; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20893
[17:37:27] 	 03(mod) Overwrite of the copyright owner in campaigns has no effect - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/30762   +patch-in-gerrit; +comment (10Mark Holmquist)
[17:37:46] 	 New review: IAlex; "I don't like having two hooks for doing the same thing, because people will certainly miss one of th..." [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20907
[17:38:44] 	 ^demon: Ashish Dubey, a.k.a. Dash1291, has been committing to a branch in Gerrit.   https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/q/owner:Dash1291,n,z doesn't show his commits.  And when I look for the realtimeve branch in gerrit via https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/q/project:mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor++branch:realtimeve,n,z it doesn't show up
[17:38:52] 	 what am I doing wrong? I read the search documentation
[17:40:00] 	 New patchset: KarenEddy; "Patch set 3: i18n modifications - prefixed each message key with biblioplus- - made all keys lowercase - changed keys in other files to match" [mediawiki/extensions/BiblioPlus] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20914
[17:40:54] 	 When is a new Media wiki in planning ? 
[17:41:25] 	 whykey: Always!
[17:41:44] 	 whykey: are you curious about features under development? or maybe you have another question?
[17:42:14] 	 Change merged: Jeroen De Dauw; [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticResultFormats] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20912
[17:42:49] 	 New patchset: Robmoen; "Now caching build params in jquery.multiSuggest." [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20915
[17:43:06] 	 I mean in general
[17:43:23] 	 whykey: Developers are working on improving MediaWiki every day.
[17:43:30] 	 03(FIXED) VisualEditor: Link inspector should cache completion results - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39511  +comment (10Rob Moen)
[17:44:09] 	 when is comming 1.19.2 ?
[17:44:21] 	 whykey: for example, here are the most recent improvements made to MediaWiki https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/q/status:merged+project:%255Emediawiki.*,n,z  we deploy a new version of MediaWiki to Wikipedia & other Wikimedia sites every 2 weeks
[17:44:53] 	 whykey: we plan on releasing 1.20 this fall. more info: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/1.20
[17:45:02] 	 I have to go, others can help you though. Thanks for using MediaWiki
[17:45:26] 	 meh
[17:45:44] 	 just when I would have asked her a question
[17:45:50] 	 morning brion
[17:45:53] 	 Then is  1.20 coming ? when at fall ? 
[17:45:57] 	 mornin
[17:46:35] 	 whykey: I would like to it to come out asap but looks like that is not happening
[17:47:16] 	 I too
[17:54:03] 	 New review: MarkTraceur; "See inline, please" [mediawiki/extensions/UploadWizard] (master) C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20829
[17:56:13] 	 New review: Aude; "The default behavior should use the site language (from the request) to determine which language to ..." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20726
[17:59:48] 	 New review: Kontokostas; "I will fix most of the comments, however, the javascript code was copied / adjusted from the WikiEdi..." [mediawiki/extensions/LightweightRDFa] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20888
[18:08:34] 	 03(NEW) Recent languages in languages settings - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39535 normal; MediaWiki extensions: UniversalLanguageSelector; (srik.lak)
[18:13:36] 	 03(mod) mwe-upwiz-deeds-macro-prompt: Parse error at position 74 in input - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39052  +comment (10Mark Holmquist)
[18:14:33] 	 03(mod) Make it possible to pass description language in the UploadWizard - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37293  -patch-reviewed +patch-in-gerrit (10Mark Holmquist)
[18:15:16] 	 03(mod) No history for upload campaigns - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/30645  +comment (10Mark Holmquist)
[18:28:29] 	 New review: Aude; "If the one and only label found is in Hebrew (for example), should it redirect to the item page in H..." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20446
[18:28:36] 	 03(mod) Cannot parse the Fila PCN template from es.wikipedia.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39520  +comment (10Gabriel Wicke)
[18:29:24] 	 03(mod) Permissions issues with texvc - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/8625  +comment (10Balazs Varga)
[18:30:37] 	 03(mod) Permissions issues with texvc - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/8625  +comment (10Balazs Varga)
[18:32:16] 	 03(FIXED) Cannot delete file "Teameinlauf Herren Team.jpg" on dewiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39483  +comment (10Aaron Schulz)
[18:35:07] 	 03(mod) No history for upload campaigns - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/30645  +comment (10Jeroen De Dauw)
[18:37:44] 	 New patchset: Kontokostas; "Fixed (most) javascript comments and reverted identation back to tabs in all files" [mediawiki/extensions/LightweightRDFa] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20920
[18:38:18] 	 New review: Aude; "because it makes a RTL username render correctly on a LTR wiki and vice versa. For example, "User:St..." [mediawiki/core] (master) C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20894
[18:40:04] 	 03(NEW) Asirra module displays wrong text, does not solve for edits - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39536 major; MediaWiki extensions: ConfirmEdit (CAPTCHA extension); (Amgine.Saewyc)
[18:41:21] 	 New review: Nikerabbit; "Why can't you have $target to be the article and use custom LogFormatter to show whatever you want o..." [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20907
[18:52:56] 	 New review: Catrope; "Looks good to me, but needs approval from Asher because it's a schema change." [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17894
[18:53:37] 	 03(FIXED) ImageFetcher doesn't fetch images for all monuments in list - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39182  +comment (10Brion Vibber)
[18:54:07] 	 Nikerabbit: I see in some logs that you had a question for me?
[18:54:56] 	 03(NEW) when adding reviewers to a draft commit, autocomplete doesn't work - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39537 normal; Wikimedia: Git/Gerrit; (amir.aharoni)
[18:55:01] 	 sumanah: nice, I was going to ask whether you know who goes for mentor summit
[18:55:03] 	 New review: Amire80; "Well, it is kinda correct, but it is also needed in a million other places - signatures, history pag..." [mediawiki/core] (master) C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20894
[18:56:52] 	 Nikerabbit: No, I don't.  Are you among those interested?  the hotel reg deadline is 10 Sept so we do have a little time
[18:56:54] 	 to decide
[18:57:14] 	 1 nice thing about gerrit is how easy it makes detecting trailing white space
[18:57:40] 	 Nikerabbit: I welcome your suggestions re who should go
[18:58:01] 	 Nikerabbit: or better yet, re how to decide who should go
[18:58:46] 	 Nikerabbit: I would sort of like to send volunteers who mentored, and we have a choice of those https://blog.wikimedia.org/2012/04/23/wmf-selects-9-students-for-gsoc/
[18:59:23] 	 sumanah: only two can go, right?
[18:59:44] 	 Nikerabbit: 2 are guaranteed, yes
[18:59:50] 	 we can add people to a waitlist
[19:00:44] 	 perhaps we could start with quick query of how many want to go at all?
[19:02:11] 	 It is very interesting event (I've heard), but OTOH I wouldn't be disappointed if I don't need to fly to US for nth time this fall just for a weekend
[19:02:54] 	 03(mod) Unknown error: "unknown-warning" on uploading previously deleted filenames - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39303  +comment (10Brion Vibber)
[19:03:38] 	 Nikerabbit: got it
[19:05:10] 	 New patchset: Brian Wolff; "(bug 39431) Fix how SVG metadata is displayed (esp. animated status)" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20656
[19:06:19] 	 Change merged: Siebrand; [mediawiki/extensions/Cite] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/18033
[19:06:43] 	 New patchset: Mwalker; "Additional ability to customize STOMP queue names" [mediawiki/extensions/DonationInterface] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20923
[19:07:03] 	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Implementing abstract store interface [DO NOT MERGE]" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20924
[19:07:57] 	 New patchset: Daniel Werner; "Improved editable aliases and prepared its DOM structure for grid layout" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20868
[19:08:42] 	 varnent: hey, ping
[19:11:03] 	 03(mod) Give some sort of error if animated gif size exceeds $wgMaxAnimatedGifArea - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39297  +comment (10Smallman)
[19:14:46] 	 03(mod) iOS 6 compatibility - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38226  +comment (10Brion Vibber)
[19:14:50] 	 New review: Siebrand; "Few coding style comments and pointed out Linker::link() should be used statically." [mediawiki/extensions/LightweightRDFa] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20920
[19:16:08] 	 03(NEW) The "No higher resolution available." on SVG file pages is misleading - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39538 normal; MediaWiki: File management; (M8R-udfkkf)
[19:17:58] 	 New patchset: Brian Wolff; "(bug 39431) Fix how SVG metadata is displayed (esp. animated status)" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20656
[19:20:32] 	 03(NEW) Wikimedia blog with https doesn't link to secure wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39539 normal; MediaWiki extensions: BlogPage; (M8R-udfkkf)
[19:21:05] 	 New patchset: IAlex; "Hide deprecated warning for Revision::revText()." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20926
[19:21:20] 	 hello! can somebody tell me how can i add custom css to my extension page. i need pseudoclasses (like :hover) so inline style doesn't help :(
[19:22:47] 	 !RL
[19:22:47] 	 There is no such key, you probably want to try: !berlin, !colon, !externaleditor, !f5, !fileurl, !giturl, !google, !img_auth, !protocols, !purge, !rewriteproblems, !semanticmediawiki, !shorturl, !shorturls, !uploadbyurl, !wikimania, !xampp, 
[19:22:53] 	 whoops
[19:22:57] 	 !resourceloader
[19:22:57] 	 ResourceLoader is the delivery system for JavaScript/CSS in MediaWiki. First released in MediaWiki 1.17. See also https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/ResourceLoader , https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/ResourceLoader/Migration_guide_%28users%29 and https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/ResourceLoader/Migration_guide_for_extension_developers
[19:23:15] 	 New patchset: Reedy; "Update jQuery UI to 1.8.23" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20927
[19:23:16] 	 celicni: Basically you need to use a system called the resource loader
[19:23:23] 	 03(mod) [ClickTracking] cookie persistence after logout - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34794  +comment (10Smallman)
[19:23:27] 	 03(FIXED) Add Canada in English to the monuments database - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38310  +comment (10Maarten Dammers)
[19:24:13] 	 bawolff: thanks! so, if i want to add custom css, my extension will require mw 1.17+ ?
[19:24:20] 	 03(mod) Wikimedia blog with https doesn't link to secure wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39539  (10Krenair)
[19:24:48] 	 celicni: are you could use the old system that works pre 1.17 that we just pretend doesn't still exist in order to encourage people to use resource loader ;)
[19:24:48] 	 03(mod) WLMMobile: clicking pin button from list view shows blank screen - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39249  +comment (10Jon)
[19:24:52] 	 s/are/or
[19:25:22] 	 bawolff: ok, thanks. i'll take a look at resource loader
[19:25:54] 	 celicni: The old system is various methods of OutputPage add either Parser or ParserOutput where you could add lines to the head of the page
[19:28:43] 	 03(mod) Tidy occasionally isn't executed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38273  (10orlodrim)
[19:28:48] 	 03(mod) Disabling MoodBar should persist as a user preference - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37947   +easy; +comment (10MZMcBride)
[19:31:07] 	 Change merged: Catrope; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20927
[19:32:14] 	 03(mod) coords 0, 0 used for monuments without coordinates - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39476  +comment (10Maarten Dammers)
[19:34:28] 	 03(mod) coords 0, 0 used for monuments without coordinates - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39476  +comment (10Brion Vibber)
[19:35:40] 	 03(NEW) 'lat' and 'lon' are 0 when the value is NULL in the database JSON output - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39540 normal; Monuments database: API; (maarten)
[19:35:40] 	 03(mod) coords 0, 0 used for monuments without coordinates - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39476  (10Maarten Dammers)
[19:35:53] 	 New patchset: Reedy; "Update jQuery UI to 1.8.23" [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.20wmf10) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20929
[19:36:07] 	 Change merged: Catrope; [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.20wmf10) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20929
[19:39:42] 	 New patchset: Catrope; "(bug 39103) mw.util.wikiScript() should respect wgScript" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20931
[19:44:20] 	 03(mod) 'lat' and 'lon' are 0 when the value is NULL in the database JSON output - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39540  +comment (10Maarten Dammers)
[19:45:12] 	 New review: Jeroen De Dauw; ":)" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20743
[19:45:12] 	 Change merged: Jeroen De Dauw; [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20743
[19:47:10] 	 03(FIXED) Filters take up 2 lines in some languages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39313  (10Jon)
[19:47:49] 	 14(INVALID) WLM app should be smarter upon network failure - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38067  +comment (10Jon)
[19:47:56] 	 Bawolff: you're not allowed to mention nice things about Gerrit.
[19:48:32] 	 Amgine: Don't worry, i just spent a bunch of time cursing its jenkins integration that was marking my code as failed due to merge conflicts
[19:48:41] 	 
[19:49:05] 	 So, can I beg you or Nemo_bis to look at my ConfirmEdit bug?
[19:49:17] 	 03(FIXED) WLM App license info from uploadcampaigns API - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38283  (10Brion Vibber)
[19:49:54] 	 link?
[19:50:17] 	 !b 39536 
[19:50:17] 	 https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=39536
[19:50:23] 	 (I think) 
[19:50:24] * bawolff  is currently reading Brooke's op-ed
[19:50:28] 	 New review: Raimond Spekking; "It looks OK, but please add message documentation too, see https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/I18n#Messa..." [mediawiki/extensions/BiblioPlus] (master) C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20914
[19:51:01] 	 Heh. I'm aware of it. 
[19:52:14] 	 03(mod) WLMMobile: clicking pin button from list view shows blank screen - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39249  +comment (10Jon)
[19:52:22] 	 Amgine: you're aware that confirmedit is effectively useless as the captchas (are supposedly) not strong enough to keep up with advancements in spam bots?
[19:52:52] 	 oh i see, you're not using the normal captcha one
[19:52:59] 	 New patchset: MarkTraceur; "(bug 31189) Add languages that exist and have a template" [mediawiki/extensions/UploadWizard] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/9528
[19:53:18] 	 Heh. Yep bawolff.
[19:59:06] 	 New patchset: Siebrand; "Replace deprecated wfMsg* calls with Message class calls." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20935
[20:04:11] 	 14(DUP) when adding reviewers to a draft commit, autocomplete doesn't work - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39537  +comment (10Chad H.)
[20:04:13] 	 03(mod) Reviewer autocompletion failing - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39333  +comment (10Chad H.)
[20:04:13] 	 03(mod) The Wikipedia link in about page points to the global main page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38981  +comment (10Jon)
[20:04:39] 	 New review: Adamw; "Can you reconcile with my pending changes?" [mediawiki/extensions/DonationInterface] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20923
[20:07:54] 	 New patchset: MarkTraceur; "(bug 31189) Add languages that exist and have a template" [mediawiki/extensions/UploadWizard] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/9528
[20:10:22] 	 03(FIXED) 'lat' and 'lon' are 0 when the value is NULL in the database JSON output - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39540  +comment (10Max Semenik)
[20:12:12] 	 03(FIXED) Warning: ldap_start_tls(): Unable to start TLS: Can't contact LDAP server in LdapAuthentication.php on line 577 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33696  (10Ryan Lane)
[20:12:35] 	 New patchset: IAlex; "Use local context to get messages" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/21003
[20:14:03] 	 I wish css3-image would have taken on hidpi instead of leaving it only to mediaqueries
[20:16:24] 	 Something like `background-image: url('foo.png'); background-image: url('foo-x2.png#dppx=2', 'foo.png');`
[20:21:47] 	 New review: Aaron Schulz; "+2 (drafts cannot be rated/merged until published)" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/18112
[20:22:58] 	 New review: Mwjames; "Well I just made another test run and it works as described since I need the D3 folder moved to be a..." [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticResultFormats] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20546
[20:22:59] 	 Change merged: Mwjames; [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticResultFormats] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20546
[20:23:23] 	 03(FIXED) WLMMobile: clicking pin button from list view shows blank screen - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39249  (10Brion Vibber)
[20:26:57] 	 Platonides: I am still puzzled about https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=39473 will you have a look at it or can you tell me the best person to poke for discussing it?
[20:27:45] 	 New patchset: Mwjames; "SRF D3, version 2.10.0" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticResultFormats] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/21008
[20:28:08] 	 03(mod) Distance sort order isn't numeric - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39475  +comment (10Raul Kern)
[20:29:59] 	 New patchset: GWicke; "WIP: Token class prototype" [mediawiki/extensions/Parsoid] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20511
[20:30:03] 	 New review: Mwjames; "Well just an update to version 2.10" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticResultFormats] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/21008
[20:30:03] 	 Change merged: Mwjames; [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticResultFormats] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/21008
[20:30:48] 	 03(FIXED) The Wikipedia link in about page points to the global main page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38981  (10Jon)
[20:31:54] 	 New code comment: Bawolff; I've done a partial revert of just the i18n file.; 
[20:32:05] 	 hmm, threaded discussion in CR looks broken...
[20:34:03] 	 New review: Amire80; "(Oops, sent to review from my master.)" [mediawiki/extensions/EducationProgram] (master) C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20934
[20:35:46] 	 03(NEW) Blocked users cannot view course pages or institution pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39541 normal; MediaWiki extensions: EducationProgram; (ragesoss)
[20:37:21] 	 New review: Jeroen De Dauw; "Beware that you don't actually need to use minified versions - RL will minify it anyway. So leaving ..." [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticResultFormats] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/21008
[20:38:30] 	 this is annoying I am logged in on page view or action=history, but not on action=edit
[20:38:38] 	 New review: Jeroen De Dauw; "Well, I guess this is correct, but want confirm from one of our i18n overlords :)" [mediawiki/extensions/EducationProgram] (master); V: 0 C: 1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20934
[20:43:02] 	 03(ASSIGNED) Blocked users cannot view course pages or institution pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39541  normal->15enhancement (10Jeroen De Dauw)
[20:43:53] 	 Change merged: Siebrand; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/21003
[20:48:30] 	 New patchset: Kaldari; "(bug 31189) Add languages that exist and have a template" [mediawiki/extensions/UploadWizard] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/9528
[20:49:22] 	 Change merged: Kaldari; [mediawiki/extensions/UploadWizard] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/9528
[20:49:25] 	 New review: Adamw; "Good changes!  Only commenting on the blockers" [mediawiki/extensions/Parsoid] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20511
[20:49:38] 	 New patchset: Daniel Werner; "Some cleanup in documentation, fixed some old ToDo's" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/21009
[20:50:57] 	 New review: Daniel Werner; "Just some updated comments" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/21009
[20:50:57] 	 Change merged: Daniel Werner; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/21009
[20:54:17] 	 TIL that "git commit --amend" can be shortened to "git commit --am". Knowledge is power.
[20:55:25] 	 world without "end", amen?
[20:55:48] 	 New patchset: Bsitu; "Fix for bug39406" [mediawiki/extensions/PageTriage] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/21010
[20:57:23] 	 New patchset: Kaldari; "(bug 30625) Ignore warnings, don't assume fatal if success" [mediawiki/extensions/UploadWizard] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/9259
[20:57:56] 	 New review: TheDJ; "My point was more that the reasoning was missing from the commit message, which I don't really like,..." [mediawiki/core] (master) C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20894
[20:59:07] 	 New patchset: Bsitu; "Fix for bug39406" [mediawiki/extensions/PageTriage] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/21010
[21:01:15] 	 New patchset: GWicke; "WIP: Token class prototype" [mediawiki/extensions/Parsoid] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20511
[21:01:43] 	 New review: Siebrand; "Mumble, mumble, documentation, mumble, moar documentation... https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Logging_..." [mediawiki/extensions/EducationProgram] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20934
[21:01:43] 	 Change merged: Siebrand; [mediawiki/extensions/EducationProgram] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20934
[21:01:49] 	 New patchset: Daniel Werner; "Changed @file  into @file" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/21011
[21:02:29] 	 Change merged: Kaldari; [mediawiki/extensions/UploadWizard] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/9259
[21:03:24] 	 03(mod) New Pages Feed: Store Filter / Sort Settings in userOptions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39406  (10bsitu)
[21:03:43] 	 New patchset: GWicke; "WIP: Token class prototype" [mediawiki/extensions/Parsoid] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20511
[21:06:40] 	 New patchset: Reedy; "Add some more bundled extensions for releases" [mediawiki/tools/release] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/21012
[21:06:41] 	 New review: Adamw; "Forget the runHooks nonsense, that should have been done using overridden member functions, which ca..." [mediawiki/extensions/DonationInterface] (master); V: 0 C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14416
[21:07:39] 	 New review: GWicke; "Somewhat addressed the blockers." [mediawiki/extensions/Parsoid] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20511
[21:10:21] 	 New review: Adamw; "still can't compile because of the typeId initializations" [mediawiki/extensions/Parsoid] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20511
[21:11:28] 	 New review: Daniel Werner; "Wanted to do this like forever, core is next" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/21011
[21:13:13] 	 New patchset: Bsitu; "Move variable optionsToken to the expected scope" [mediawiki/extensions/PageTriage] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/21013
[21:15:28] 	 New patchset: Daniel Werner; "Changed @file  into @file" [mediawiki/extensions/SimpleFarm] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/21014
[21:16:33] 	 New review: GWicke; "Another issue I'm mulling over is the return type of getAttribute. I agree that using a (potentially..." [mediawiki/extensions/Parsoid] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20511
[21:22:34] 	 03(NEW) murmur3() error handling of bad parameters - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39542 minor; MediaWiki extensions: E3 Experiments; (spage)
[21:23:13] 	 New patchset: Siebrand; "Maintenance for NewUserMessage extension." [mediawiki/extensions/NewUserMessage] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20821
[21:23:57] 	 New review: Siebrand; "Comment on PS1 fixed in PS2." [mediawiki/extensions/NewUserMessage] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20821
[21:24:17] 	 03(FIXED) Language list in the selector of description languages is limited and hardcoded - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31189  -patch-in-gerrit ; +comment (10Mark Holmquist)
[21:24:40] 	 New review: Siebrand; "Marking -1; forgot about that. Otherwise it keeps showing up as open in my review queue." [mediawiki/extensions/LightweightRDFa] (master); V: 0 C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20920
[21:25:21] 	 03(mod) Marking something for deletion should automatically review it - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39208  (10bsitu)
[21:27:09] 	 03(mod) Marking something for deletion should automatically review it - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39208  +comment (10Oliver Keyes)
[21:27:34] 	 03(mod) Disabling MoodBar should persist as a user preference - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37947  (10bsitu)
[21:28:05] 	 New patchset: Catrope; "Make wfScript()/mw.util.wikiScript() respect $wgScript/$wgLoadScript" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20931
[21:29:30] 	 New review: CSteipp; "It seems unusual to me for the hook to have to raise an exception. I can't think of another hook tha..." [mediawiki/core] (master) C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20905
[21:31:57] 	 03(NEW) Maintenance tags and note-leaving should not appear in userspace - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39543 normal; MediaWiki extensions: PageTriage; (okeyes)
[21:33:28] 	 New patchset: Kaldari; "(bug 36342) Show exists-normalized errors to the user" [mediawiki/extensions/UploadWizard] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/9420
[21:36:28] 	 Change merged: Kaldari; [mediawiki/extensions/UploadWizard] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/9420
[21:40:01] 	 New review: Brian Wolff; "This (specificly the verify mode) also should be a posted module (otherwise tokens will show up in a..." [mediawiki/core] (master) C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20013
[21:40:28] 	 New patchset: MaxSem; "Update to r876" [wikimedia/wlm-api] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/21015
[21:42:05] 	 New review: Platonides; "Heh, I barely speak python. That's why many things were not "too pythonic"." [mediawiki/extensions/ConfirmEdit] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16873
[21:42:52] 	 Change merged: MaxSem; [wikimedia/wlm-api] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20822
[21:43:23] 	 Change merged: MaxSem; [wikimedia/wlm-api] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/21015
[21:46:59] 	 New review: MarkTraceur; "Understandable :) here's some more explanation, maybe that solution will be better." [mediawiki/extensions/ConfirmEdit] (master) C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16873
[21:48:29] 	 New review: Platonides; "I'm not convinced it's an imprevement" [mediawiki/extensions/ConfirmEdit] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16872
[21:49:32] 	 Change merged: Trevor Parscal; [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20851
[21:54:30] 	 New review: MarkTraceur; "Despite maintaining that the list comprehension is a better way, I won't -1, just 0. I don't think t..." [mediawiki/extensions/ConfirmEdit] (master) C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16872
[21:55:51] 	 03(mod) No history for upload campaigns - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/30645  +comment (10Platonides)
[21:55:54] 	 we have 5 maartens...
[21:59:14] 	 New patchset: Spage; "Document it takes strings (bug 39542)" [mediawiki/extensions/E3Experiments] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/21016
[22:01:40] 	 New review: Platonides; "I'm with Chris here. Having to throwan exception to stop executing is very odd." [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20905
[22:03:11] 	 Change merged: Reedy; [mediawiki/extensions/EducationProgram] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20910
[22:03:18] 	 New review: Platonides; "Also, I'm not sure why is this needed here. Isn't authentication already done at another point?" [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20905
[22:03:19] 	 In the docs it says i have to do this: [[File:http://somedomain.com/uploads/misc/img.png|50px]] if i want to display an image and resclate it to 50px. But this does not work at all. How can i set an image and make it only 50px high in mediawiki?
[22:04:40] 	 bdi_: Where in the docs does it say that
[22:04:46] 	 because that's not correct
[22:05:09] 	 bdi_: If its a local image you do something like [[file:image.png|50px]]
[22:05:34] 	 03(mod) Protect articles to limit feedback on protected or semi-protected articles - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39451  +comment (10Fabrice Florin)
[22:05:39] 	 if its a non-local image, you're mostly out of luck as we don't support server side scaling of non-local images (you can get client side though if you enable  tags)
[22:05:52] 	 bawolff: and if its external?
[22:06:02] 	 New patchset: Reedy; "Update EP to master" [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.20wmf10) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/21017
[22:06:15] 	 aha
[22:06:18] 	 thx
[22:06:38] 	 Change merged: Reedy; [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.20wmf10) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/21017
[22:07:16] 	 bdi_: there's some docs at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgAllowImageTag
[22:07:26] 	 but really external image support in mediawiki isn't very good
[22:07:43] 	 bdi_: did it actually suggest doing that somewhere in the docs, because if it did i should go fix that
[22:12:19] 	 03(mod) Merge action=credits into action=info - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39533  +comment (10MZMcBride)
[22:14:10] 	 03(mod) Merge action=credits into action=info - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39533  +comment (10Krenair)
[22:14:34] 	 bawolff: no, sorry. that was my bad
[22:14:44] 	 bdi_: no worries :)
[22:14:45] 	 bawolff: i thought that was for both external and internal
[22:17:29] 	 03(mod) mw.util.wikiScript(..) and wfScript(..) do not respect custom $wgScript and $wgLoadScript - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39103  +comment (10Roan Kattouw)
[22:17:36] 	 03(mod) "Entry points" section on Special:Version should respect custom $wgScript and $wgLoadScript - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39102  +comment (10Roan Kattouw)
[22:22:13] 	 Brooke: btw I enjoyed reading your op-ed. I think there's quite a lot of insights in it
[22:23:17] 	 bawolff: Thanks. :-)
[22:24:07] 	 03(mod) Cannot cancel locating screen - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39348  +comment (10Jon)
[22:26:48] 	 03(mod) apply explicit lang and dir to country-specific data in the WLM app - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39290  +comment (10Jon)
[22:28:56] 	 Brooke: I read it this morning and agreed with most of it as well. I may comment on it later if I get the time to write up my opinion and where I agree/disagree
[22:29:23] 	 New patchset: Kaldari; "(bug 26505) Change the name of the comment field in the POST" [mediawiki/extensions/UploadWizard] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/9714
[22:31:06] 	 New review: Kaldari; "Fixes the current bug. Perhaps a better solution can be created in the future." [mediawiki/extensions/UploadWizard] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/9714
[22:31:06] 	 Change merged: Kaldari; [mediawiki/extensions/UploadWizard] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/9714
[22:32:31] 	 03(FIXED) Upload wizard: Add comment to file history - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/26505  +comment (10Ryan Kaldari)
[22:33:02] 	 03(mod) Upload wizard: Add comment to file history - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/26505  +comment (10Mark Holmquist)
[22:46:06] 	 New patchset: GWicke; "WIP: Token class prototype" [mediawiki/extensions/Parsoid] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20511
[22:48:58] 	 03(mod) VisualEditor: Use prefix when accessing parsoid - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38859  (10James Forrester)
[22:49:31] 	 03(mod) VisualEditor: Trim whitespace on headings, list items, other node types - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37935  (10James Forrester)
[22:50:14] 	 03(mod) VisualEditor: Round-trip  should not become '''syntax''' - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38737  (10James Forrester)
[22:50:40] 	 Greetings all , are any Mediawiki - semantic maps experts present that are interested in providing a couple of hours consulting for our project ?
[22:50:40] 	 03(mod) VisualEditor: round-trip inline styles - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38738  (10James Forrester)
[22:50:47] 	 03(mod) VisualEditor: Round-tripping of double apostrophes causes them to be interpreted as wikitext - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39058  (10James Forrester)
[22:51:02] 	 New patchset: MaxSem; "Update to r878" [wikimedia/wlm-api] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/21018
[22:51:02] 	 03(mod) VisualEditor: #
http://www.wikipedia.de
 round-trips to #
http://www.wikipedia.de
 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39059  (10James Forrester)
[22:51:10] 	 03(mod) VisualEditor: Link types need to be used by the UI so that the link inspector doesn't fail completely. :-) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39111  (10James Forrester)
[22:51:26] 	 Change merged: MaxSem; [wikimedia/wlm-api] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/21018
[22:51:28] 	 03(mod) VisualEditor: Ctrl+left/right to jump by word does not work properly - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33064  (10James Forrester)
[22:51:32] 	 03(mod) VisualEditor: Link inspector should cache completion results - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39511  (10James Forrester)
[22:52:47] 	 RoanKattouw: I'd certainly be interested in what you have to say.
[22:52:53] 	 RoanKattouw: How's VE?
[22:53:16] 	 Eloquence had what looks to be like a good comment on the talk page as well. I haven't gotten through all of it yet.
[22:54:47] 	 I didn't see Erik's comment on the talk page, it must have been written in the past few hours then
[22:55:09] 	 Yeah, 22:16, 21 August 2012 (UTC).
[22:55:15] 	 VE is coming along, getting a lot of important stuff done but most of it isn't user-visible right now
[22:55:17] 	 Within the past hour.
[22:55:42] 	 RoanKattouw: Having watched other visual editor attempts, I worry about the final 10%.
[22:56:04] 	 Has there been discussion about how much (if any) wikimarkup will be unsupported?
[22:56:35] 	 I guess I mean in the context of both Parsoid and VE.
[22:56:51] 	 Virtually none will be unsupported
[22:57:18] 	 There are a few obscure things where Gabriel has decided "this is insane, I'm not gonna support it", and usually his defense is "I grepped through millions of enwiki pages and it's not being used anywhere"
[22:57:42] 	 Whenever he mentions one of those I wholeheartedly agree it's a misfeature of the language
[22:59:23] 	 VE will support anything as long as Parsoid can render and round-trip it correctly, it's just that it won't necessarily let you edit those things
[22:59:56] 	 So our vision for December is to have VE as an opt-in on enwiki, but when editing an article it's likely that large parts of it will be uneditable because they were generated by a template
[23:00:08] 	 Brooke: Also, it depends what you mean by 'supported'.
[23:00:20] 	 Aye, it was a bit ambiguous.
[23:00:29] 	 I was asking about killing the really obscure edge cases, mostly.
[23:00:30] 	 Brooke: For example, it's, umm, unlikely that we'll support writing of ParserExtension-using templates using the VisualEditor.
[23:00:42] 	 Though I worry about an editor that just marks things as "don't touch."
[23:00:56] 	 I think Wikia's editor did that. I think Dreamweaver does that. It's super-awful.
[23:00:58] 	 Brooke: But would we enable /use/ of those Templates, including appropriate parameterisation? Of course.
[23:01:07] 	 New patchset: MaxSem; "r879: Sanitize language codes" [wikimedia/wlm-api] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/21020
[23:01:20] 	 James_F: Hmmm.
[23:01:21] 	 Brooke: No, Wikia's editor just says "this page contains stuff I don't understand" and then dumps you into wikitext editing for the /entire/ page
[23:01:22] 	 Change merged: MaxSem; [wikimedia/wlm-api] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/21020
[23:01:25] 	 Brooke: So, we call these 'alien nodes'.
[23:01:32] 	 Brooke: Of course, this is what Lua is for. ;-)
[23:01:35] 	 That's a nice name.
[23:01:40] 	 So you wouldn't be able to visually edit *any* text on [[Barack Obama]], and we thought that was unacceptable
[23:01:55] 	 So yeah of course we aim to reduce the size of the "alien surface" over time
[23:02:13] 	 Brooke: And yes, ideally we have none of them; but when it encounters one, it really must avoid having...yeah, what Roan said.
[23:02:15] 	 I guess I'm trying to ask what that will include and when.
[23:02:19] 	 sorry but here it goes again - buried soo quickly here :  Are any Mediawiki - semantic maps experts present that are interested in providing a couple of hours consulting for our project ?
[23:02:21] 	 For example, what level of image support.
[23:02:32] 	 I mean, there's a huge part of a visual editor.
[23:02:42] 	 But our basic standpoint is everything must render correctly and round-trip correctly, if it doesn't that's unacceptable. About actually being able to edit them, that's another conversation and we'll probably have most of that in 2013/14
[23:03:00] 	 Brooke: Full WMF image support (so, inclusion, uploading, use in the various forms (direct, inline, framed, thumbs, captions, etc., alternative links).
[23:03:04] 	 I don't think we've defined what level of image support we want yet
[23:03:08] 	 Oh or we have I guses
[23:03:13] 	 There has to be a prioritization scheme somewhere, right? Categories come before images?
[23:03:15] 	 Because James just told me
[23:03:16] 	 Or whatever.
[23:03:22] 	 There is a roadmap somewhere
[23:04:13] 	 Also, I'd consider it a personal favor if someone fixed the goddamn Vector restriction so that I could easily test VE without URL tricks.
[23:04:15] 	 I don't know where it is, James_F might
[23:04:24] 	 He's telling me it doesn't exist as such, but we have something somewhere
[23:04:35] 	 Are you two in the same room?
[23:04:49] 	 Our desks are across from each other, he just walked off into the kitchen
[23:05:04] 	 Interesting.
[23:05:14] 	 I may visit one day. I'd like to.
[23:05:19] 	 If I'm not banned.
[23:05:21] 	 By all means do
[23:05:39] 	 Nah
[23:05:43] 	 Besides, Brandon isn't on the same floor ;)
[23:05:47] 	 Brooke: There's a CAPTCHA at the door, but that's all :P
[23:05:48] 	 Heh.
[23:06:06] 	 Brooke: Definitely not banned. :-)
[23:06:23] 	 Yet!
[23:06:32] 	 Brooke: So, in terms of roadmap we don't have a "we'll get X out by date Y".
[23:06:34] 	 I've been considering vandalizing.
[23:06:45] 	 Brooke: Clearly we have priorities, but a lot of these are implicit.
[23:06:56] 	 James_F: Implicit priorities are a bit frightening.
[23:07:04] 	 Brooke: Indeed. :-)
[23:07:21] 	 I worry it'll be three years from now and VE will still support basic bolding and italics and it'll be...
[23:07:32] 	 Brooke: I imagine you'l have seen https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Engineering/2012-13_Goals#Visual_Editor ?
[23:07:45] 	 That page is overwhelming, but I'm sure I've skimmed it.
[23:08:00] 	 Brooke: The problem is, a rushed job is worse than not doing it at all; I don't want to burn our social capital with crappy half-done software.
[23:08:05] 	 Yeah.
[23:08:30] 	 The important bit is https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Engineering/2012-13_Goals#Milestones_by_quarter_6 (which is not written in stone, but a good guide).
[23:08:55] 	 03(mod) Campaign names on monuments - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38931  +comment (10Jon)
[23:09:05] 	 One of the things that worries me, for instance, is table editing - I've never seen a good implementation, and I've seen an awful lot of bad ones (MS Word in particular comes to mind).
[23:09:32] 	 LyX isn't bad, but is more limited than we'd want (and too ugly, frankly).
[23:09:54] 	 03(FIXED) Cannot cancel locating screen - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39348  (10Jon)
[23:09:55] 	 The goal is by July 2013, everyone will be VisualEditing/
[23:09:56] 	 ?
[23:10:30] 	 New patchset: MarkTraceur; "(bug 30625) Work better with duplicate-archive warnings" [mediawiki/extensions/UploadWizard] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20814
[23:10:52] 	 Ugh. Rebasing. Hatred.
[23:11:10] 	 s/Rebasing/Gerrit/
[23:11:18] 	 New review: Adamw; "Great!" [mediawiki/extensions/Parsoid] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20511
[23:11:19] 	 Change merged: Adamw; [mediawiki/extensions/Parsoid] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20511
[23:11:19] 	 anyone knows if there is a database table in which wikimedia templates are stored ?
[23:11:20] 	 Dantman: No, rebasing
[23:11:22] 	 Brooke: The idea is that it'll be the standard editor for most article content, yes.
[23:11:28] 	 It's totally my fault, not Gerrit's
[23:11:38] 	 Oh heh...
[23:11:38] 	 James_F: Ambitious.
[23:11:48] 	 Brooke: Indeed. :-)
[23:11:51] 	 ...rebasing does have it's uses
[23:11:53] 	 Brooke: Not my timeline. ;-)
[23:11:55] 	 karstenv: Template text? Template links?
[23:12:08] 	 karstenv: Depends what you're trying to do.
[23:12:16] 	 You should ask that instead, I suppose.
[23:12:54] 	 James_F: Even before you get to all the crazy things like templates and tables, there has to be full support of "basic" wikimarkup, right?
[23:13:00] 	 Ordered lists, definition lists, etc.?
[23:13:11] 	 Brooke: Yes.
[23:13:40] 	 Brooke: Well. Sort-of. I frankly can't see a world where we have a good DL editor for articles that's also a good editor for ":::: I agree. ~~~~" discussions.
[23:13:43] 	 Well, if you can get that working well, hmm.
[23:13:44] 	 well I need to find my bearings where page templates, and their markup code (not sure the right word) is saved  
[23:13:56] 	 James_F: Heh, of course not.
[23:14:02] 	 Brooke: Perhaps we'll have to have two separate DL node-handlers, one for Talk: and one for :.
[23:14:03] 	 We basically have ordered and unordered lists now, though support is not yet perfect. Definition lists "should" mostly work but we haven't really even started testing them yet
[23:14:06] 	 But ; foo : bar and other things like that.
[23:14:13] 	 Brooke: Absolutely.
[23:14:16] 	 Talk: isn't going to have :::: ~~~~.
[23:14:21] 	 God help me.
[23:14:30] 	 That needs to die regardless of visually editing.
[23:14:45] 	 Brooke: you can also try Parsoid directly at http://parsoid.wmflabs.org/
[23:15:13] 	 http://parsoid.wmflabs.org/en/Main_Page
[23:15:42] 	 Brooke: Right now, our priorities are getting what we have (paragraphs, headings, pres, OLs, ULs) working perfectly; API-ing it (so it can be extended by new devs without them having to learn the whole code base); adding support for Image inclusion, DLs and Categories (probably in that order).
[23:15:43] 	 That seems kind of broken.
[23:15:46] 	 or using the wikitext input form
[23:16:18] 	 Brooke: you, sir, have very high demands on prototype software ;)
[23:16:38] 	 :D
[23:16:38] 	 Brooke: I am trying to change the (semantic maps map based) map service setting of a template, thus trying to find where that is saved 
[23:16:59] 	 in the database
[23:17:00] 	 Brooke: I'd love for Talk: to have a dedicated, properly-threaded editor (using VE for the individual comments' inputs, I'd imagine). Know of any MW extensions that do it? ;-)
[23:17:01] 	 karstenv: Is your wiki public?
[23:17:22] 	 karstenv: It's difficult to tell what you're talking about. If you could show me/the channel, that'd be helpful.
[23:17:43] 	 ok one sec
[23:17:59] 	 James_F, Brooke: Additionally, I'm still working on working out some lingering issues with inline nodes and whitespace preservation
[23:18:23] 	 James_F: Thank you for laying out the order. That's helpful to know.
[23:18:36] 	 James_F: I wrote an extension that does that (minus the VE bit) for wikiation.nl
[23:18:40] 	 So December would be the working perfectly part, then?
[23:18:51] 	 (Step 1.)
[23:18:58] 	 Brooke: Of course. I should probably write that down publicly for other people than this channel. ;-)
[23:19:28] 	 The way I see it, the make-it-or-break-it requirements for December are round-tripping and alienation
[23:19:31] 	 Brooke: Yeah, hopefully. Obviously, if we're not ready, we're not ready (and maybe I'm sacked ;-)) but we won't deploy crap on enwiki (or wherever else).
[23:19:41] 	 Brooke: this page is created using a template http://openurban.net/mediawiki/index.php?title=Montlake&oldid=1548
[23:19:50] 	 All crappy features get deployed to aawiki.
[23:20:12] 	 karstenv: Which part are you trying to change?
[23:20:30] 	 Brooke: basically tempate expansion looking broken is fine for December, as long as template output is properly protected and round-tripping works
[23:20:37] 	 Brook: the map 
[23:20:44] 	 karstenv: The map is from Google.
[23:20:54] 	 Says so in the corner.
[23:20:55] 	 gwicke: Well, VE integration presumably wouldn't be /too/ hard?
[23:21:06] 	 Changing Google's output is difficult/impossible.
[23:21:55] 	 Brook: the map comes form a template, there one can specifiy map types - I  need to set to openlayers and openstreet map
[23:22:09] 	 James_F: I would not think so- but other desirable features for a discussion system such as dashboards etc would be
[23:22:13] 	 Brook: thus need to find the template
[23:22:37] 	 karstenv: That's not a template. It's data from Google...
[23:22:39] 	 gwicke: Better than re-writing LQT?
[23:23:19] * James_F  grins.
[23:23:37] 	 03(mod) Enable e-mailing password based on e-mail address on Wikimedia wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34386  +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[23:24:25] 	 Brook: yes sure I know, the way the google map come sinto mediawiki is via semantic maps extension, that uses a template to specify the google map or a different map (which I want) in the mediawiki markup
[23:24:26] 	 James_F: no idea- 'better' depends..
[23:24:59] 	 thus I will get rid of the google map, once i find where the template is 
[23:25:09] 	 if any ..
[23:25:21] * RoanKattouw  looks at tomorrow's TODO list, every other word is jargon
[23:25:25] 	 * Tests for outer whitespace preservation
[23:25:27] 	 * Snowmanification of all inline nodes (including 
), not just non-contenteditable ones
[23:25:43] 	 New patchset: MarkTraceur; "(bug 32843) Don't call the success method for checkFile() if there's an error" [mediawiki/extensions/UploadWizard] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/7149
[23:26:00] 	 <3 snowmanification
[23:26:01] 	 New review: Parent5446; "I'll change it in another patch, but where else is authentication/authorization done? I know individ..." [mediawiki/core] (master) C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20905
[23:26:18] 	 Now I want to go make a snowman
[23:26:24] 	 Where's the nearest snow?
[23:26:39] 	 marktraceur: It refers to the fact that I'm using \u2603 as a placeholder character in a certain situation
[23:26:45] 	 03(mod) Enable e-mailing password based on e-mail address on Wikimedia wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34386  +comment (10MZMcBride)
[23:27:04] 	 Brook: any hint where mediawiki templates are stored ? - for example the page elements of a template
[23:27:06] 	 New review: Parent5446; "Also, I add the signed-off-by as a reflex b/c I have to use it on other repositories." [mediawiki/core] (master) C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20905
[23:27:34] 	 RoanKattouw: That's pretty awesome.
[23:29:20] 	 karstenv: They're in the text table.
[23:29:27] 	 But really, it sounds like you're trying to modify Google's output.
[23:29:29] 	 03(mod) WLMMobile: administrative zones don't strip wikitext from eg [[Arkansas County, Arkansas]] - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39244  +comment (10Jon)
[23:30:16] 	 New patchset: Reedy; "Fix leading mixed whitespace to tabs" [mediawiki/extensions/CentralAuth] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/21022
[23:30:35] 	 Brook: thanks. No I will replace their map with mine to be exact, so no more google in there after I am done , that is all openlayers then instead see http://www.openlayers.org/
[23:32:02] 	 03(mod) Distance sort order isn't numeric - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39475  +comment (10Jon)
[23:33:25] 	 New patchset: MarkTraceur; "(bug 32469) Remove alert message and use callbacks for validation" [mediawiki/extensions/UploadWizard] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/7608
[23:39:01] 	 New patchset: GWicke; "Use rm -f" [mediawiki/extensions/Parsoid] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/21023
[23:39:22] 	 New review: GWicke; "Trivial" [mediawiki/extensions/Parsoid] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/21023
[23:39:22] 	 Change merged: GWicke; [mediawiki/extensions/Parsoid] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/21023
[23:44:29] 	 New patchset: Mwalker; "Additional ability to customize STOMP queue names" [mediawiki/extensions/DonationInterface] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20923
[23:46:08] 	 Was trying to read RSS feed of Debian page. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Debian&action=history&feed=rss
[23:46:17] 	 What options do I have for action
[23:46:23] 	 New review: Mwalker; "Incorporated the good bits of https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/14415/ and https://gerrit.wikimedia..." [mediawiki/extensions/DonationInterface] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20923
[23:46:32] 	 was trying to just look for the latest Debian version
[23:46:51] 	 Change abandoned: Mwalker; "Merged with https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/20923/" [mediawiki/extensions/DonationInterface] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14415
[23:47:05] 	 Change abandoned: Mwalker; "Merged with https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/20923/" [mediawiki/extensions/DonationInterface] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14414
[23:49:47] 	 New review: Catrope; "Yes, the use case is basically a poor man's OAuth/OpenID to authenticate to a 3rd-party service." [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20013
[23:50:25] 	 Brooke: BTW, now slung up at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/VisualEditor/Roadmap
[23:52:27] 	 oh cool latest version template
[23:52:41] 	 see if I can work with that.
[23:53:27] 	 03(NEW) United States > Washington appears twice - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39544 normal; WikiLoves Monuments Mobile: Browse; (brion)
[23:53:31] 	 James_F: Excellent. Thank you!
[23:54:14] 	 Brooke: Happy to help. See also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#VisualEditor.2FParsoid_fortnightly_update_-_2012-08-20_.28MW_1.20wmf10.29
[23:54:58] 	 Oh, I hadn't seen that.
[23:55:16] 	 New patchset: Mwalker; "Additional ability to customize STOMP queue names" [mediawiki/extensions/DonationInterface] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20923
[23:56:04] 	 Heh, unprefixed bug numbers are very odd to read in text.
[23:56:20] 	 It looks like Tourette's.
[23:56:22] 	 03(NEW) Comments break splitting of paragraphs - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39545 normal; Parsoid: General; (roan.kattouw)
[23:56:42] 	 New review: CSteipp; "@Brian makes a good point. Knowing the proposed use case for this, I wasn't too concerned with those..." [mediawiki/core] (master) C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20013
[23:57:31] 	 csteipp: Are you a Twitter user?
[23:58:07] 	 Brooke: Yeah... habits.