[00:00:02] Isarra: not on any Wikimedia list I'm on [00:00:16] O_o [00:00:18] I think. [00:00:21] * Isarra runs away and hides.\ [00:00:26] Why? [00:00:30] * Isarra puts on a tinfoil hat. [00:00:46] I'm friends with a community manager at 10gen and probably saw her tweet about it. [00:00:49] * Isarra arms herself with vacuum cleaner extensions. [00:01:15] But seriously, I recall getting an email about that and... well, I guess it's not that big of a coincidence, but still. [00:01:35] * Isarra brandishes vacuum cleaner extensions nneotheless. [00:04:11] Interesting, but I'm not in the US [00:04:22] What's jorm's email address, bharris? [00:04:29] 03(mod) prevent creation of items having the same sitelinks - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42325 +comment (10merl) [00:04:47] Krenair: is it limited to people already in the US? [00:04:48] Oh, wait, I can look that up! [00:05:22] * Isarra is studying stalking. [00:05:58] Isarra: yes it is [00:06:12] Krenair: Thanks. [00:08:01] * Isarra offers Krenair a vacuum cleaner extension. [00:08:08] ... what? [00:08:40] ...bad joke, sorry. [00:09:11] New patchset: Aaron Schulz; "Added a script to populate file HTTP headers for existing files." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35333 [00:09:25] 03(mod) Please set X-Content-Duration on OGG Video files - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41304 +comment (10Aaron Schulz) [00:12:11] 03(mod) Localize logo for ml.wiktionary - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41785 +comment (10Dereckson) [00:14:27] robla: for reference, the diff in the release notes that covers 1.21wmf5 is https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/gitweb?p=mediawiki/core.git;a=blobdiff;f=RELEASE-NOTES-1.21;h=dd1c189b51cc4a418e5dc3535a8b85f080fa56e8;hp=b9b026cb37aa04e0132d10e94b0c4a9f350434c4;hb=HEAD;hpb=4f6234213f059a68a5170714291c6a8fc4cb7768 [00:16:27] * Isarra pokes legoktm with a stick,. [00:16:43] yes hello [00:18:12] thanks sumanah [00:32:14] "Zarro Boogs found." This isn't helpful. [00:32:29] I agree [00:32:38] andre__: ^ I am gonna change that message if I can [00:33:21] argh, I do not see where to change it [00:34:22] 03(NEW) Text layer of DjVu files doesn't appear in Page namespace - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42466 major; MediaWiki extensions: ProofreadPage; (zorktha) [00:34:35] * Isarra submits a bug about it. [00:34:39] thanks [00:37:05] Wait, is that something we even can configure? [00:38:14] sumanah, that's been wontfix'ed upstream a billion time, but I'm fine with changing it downstream [00:38:21] 03(mod) Add Javanese font to WebFonts - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39381 +comment (10Dereckson) [00:38:51] andre__: I kind of want to go argue with them but that's probably a low-blood-sugar impulse. Dinner soon [00:38:54] Thank you [00:39:01] "zero bugs found" is fine [00:39:03] with me [00:39:18] also we should change the front page to be MUCH more welcoming [00:39:38] sumanah, yes. proposals welcome in a bug report (I think there is one already). [00:40:18] New review: CSteipp; "Concept sounds good, and implementation looks safe. Before deploying, we may want to get legal's ok ..." [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 1; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/32700 [00:40:20] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=22170 [00:40:26] Bug 22170 - Customise Bugzilla front page to have more useful links [00:41:04] 03(mod) Install Page Curation on id.wp - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42322 +comment (10Dereckson) [00:41:34] 03(mod) Customise Bugzilla front page to have more useful links - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/22170 +comment (10Sumana Harihareswara) [00:42:44] * sumanah tries to try out the new AJAXy page patrolling on mediawiki.org, fails https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7851 [00:42:46] New patchset: Daniel Werner; "Fix for tooltip, does not longer fail when no tooltip in edit group" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35335 [00:42:46] New patchset: Daniel Werner; "Solves an error when destroying entityselector widget before menu was shown." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35336 [00:45:34] 03(NEW) "Zarro Boogs found" is unhelpful - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42467 enhancement; Wikimedia: Bugzilla; (zhorishna) [00:46:00] Waaait... [00:46:05] Bugzilla has a front page? [00:46:34] I never even noticed. [00:50:28] 03(ASSIGNED) Update $wgUploadNavigationUrl on en.wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42263 +shell; +comment (10Dereckson) [00:52:12] 03(mod) Mobile redirect strips https - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35215 +comment (10Max Semenik) [00:53:35] 03(mod) Mobile redirect strips https - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35215 (10Max Semenik) [00:53:39] 03(mod) Non-Wikipedia mobile domains use Wikipedia's SSL certificate - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34788 (10Max Semenik) [00:53:48] 03(mod) "Zarro Boogs found" is unhelpful - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42467 +comment (10Andre Klapper) [00:55:37] New patchset: Catrope; "Handle annotated inline nodes in the converter" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35337 [00:55:49] New patchset: Catrope; "Render inline annotations in CE" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35338 [00:59:30] 03(mod) "Zarro Boogs found" is unhelpful - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42467 +comment (10Isarra) [01:01:13] 03(mod) Excepting of projects on the IRC-Bot wikibugs in #mediawiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34860 normal->15enhancement (10Andre Klapper) [01:01:32] 03(mod) Text layer of DjVu files doesn't appear in Page namespace - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42466 +comment (10Philippe Elie) [01:02:49] New review: CSteipp; "Looks fine to me, but I'll add Aaron too, in case he thinks his initial reason for doing that is sti..." [mediawiki/extensions/CheckUser] (master); V: 0 C: 1; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/32922 [01:08:08] New patchset: Catrope; "Store the data model element in the DM tree" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/34956 [01:08:10] 03(NEW) "http-curl-error" when uploading from Flickr - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42468 normal; MediaWiki extensions: UploadWizard; (sumanah) [01:08:37] 03(mod) "http-curl-error" when uploading from Flickr - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42468 normal->major (10Sumana Harihareswara) [01:11:16] 03(mod) "Zarro Boogs found" is unhelpful - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42467 +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy)) [01:11:25] :/ [01:11:47] I swear every time I go to talk to Sumana she has quit in the past few chat log lines -.- [01:14:23] 03(mod) Install Page Curation on id.wp - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42322 +comment (10Ryan Kaldari) [01:15:15] 03(mod) "Zarro Boogs found" is unhelpful - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42467 +comment (10MZMcBride) [01:16:01] 03(mod) "Zarro Boogs found" is unhelpful - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42467 +comment (10Dereckson) [01:16:16] Brooke: edit conflict [01:16:29] Mid-air collision! [01:17:24] Isarra: is Zarro Boogs found still appear in an ugly red box? [01:17:58] I remember a black text line, in a dark red rectangle. [01:18:39] No, it... search for waffles and you'll see. [01:18:41] 03(mod) "Zarro Boogs found" is unhelpful - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42467 +comment (10MZMcBride) [01:18:58] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/buglist.cgi?title=Special%3ASearch&quicksearch=waffles&list_id=162467 [01:19:16] Good news this ugly box has been removed. [01:20:04] Now the line just gets lost entirely! [01:21:02] I'm not sure I'd say it gets lost. [01:21:10] The page doesn't have much content and it's in bold. [01:22:08] It's right up by the navigation stuff. The eye is apt to skip past it to the links. [01:22:33] Which isn't necessarily a problem, but it kind of defeats the purpose of it being there. [01:22:54] New review: Catrope; "PS3 fixes jshint error" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master); V: 0 C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/34956 [01:23:18] New patchset: Catrope; "Show annotations on nodes in demo debugger" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/34957 [01:23:38] New review: Catrope; "PS3 is a rebase" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master); V: 0 C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/34957 [01:23:58] New patchset: Catrope; "Make annotating inline elements actually work" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/34958 [01:24:21] New review: Catrope; "PS3 is a rebase + fix for jshint error" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master); V: 0 C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/34958 [01:25:41] Isarra: on a genuine install, the line is more visible: [01:25:43] http://bugzilla.espace-win.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=waffles [01:28:16] New patchset: Catrope; "Handle annotated inline nodes in the converter" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35337 [01:28:38] 03(mod) "http-curl-error" when uploading from Flickr - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42468 +comment (10Ryan Kaldari) [01:28:57] New review: Catrope; "PS2 is a rebase plus a minor jshint fix in ve.dm.Converter.js" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master); V: 0 C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35337 [01:29:25] New patchset: Catrope; "Render inline annotations in CE" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35338 [01:30:04] New review: Catrope; "PS2 is a rebase plus two minor jshint fixes in ve.ce.TextNode.test.js" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master); V: 0 C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35338 [01:31:00] Change merged: Ori.livneh; [mediawiki/extensions/PostEdit] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/34962 [01:31:30] Change merged: Ori.livneh; [mediawiki/extensions/EventLogging] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/34732 [01:32:05] New patchset: Alex Monk; "Revert "Use secure Flickr API URL"" [mediawiki/extensions/UploadWizard] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35339 [01:32:35] 03(mod) "Zarro Boogs found" is unhelpful - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42467 +comment (10Andre Klapper) [01:33:26] Change merged: Kaldari; [mediawiki/extensions/UploadWizard] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35339 [01:36:14] Dereckson: Yeah, that's a styling issue that should be easily fixed. [01:36:58] 03(FIXED) Add English ProofreadPage namespace aliases for bewikisource - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41322 +comment (10Dereckson) [01:37:18] 03(mod) "Zarro Boogs found" is unhelpful - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42467 +comment (10Isarra) [01:40:13] New patchset: Catrope; "Add Parsoid prefix to POST requests too." [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35340 [01:40:31] New review: Catrope; "Ported to master in https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35340" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (change-markers) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/31348 [01:42:55] New patchset: Aaron Schulz; "Added a script to populate file HTTP headers for existing files." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35333 [01:43:42] 03(NEW) VisualEditor: Leading newlines in 
s get eaten - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42469 normal; VisualEditor: Data Model; (roan.kattouw)
[01:44:32] 	 "File:Wonderbra defeatist.jpg"
[01:44:41] 	 man that random file name generator is pretty good
[01:44:46] 	 hahaha
[01:45:27] 	 "File:Undershorts Dustbuster.jpg"
[01:45:30] 	 Change merged: Catrope; [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35323
[01:45:31] 	 ok, enough of that
[01:49:01] 	 03(ASSIGNED) VisualEditor: Leading newlines in 
s get eaten - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42469  (10James Forrester)
[01:49:09] 	 03(mod) Suggestion: Rename "Bad image list" to better title - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/14281  +comment (10Paine Ellsworth)
[01:51:05] 	 New patchset: Catrope; "(bug 42403) Add Parsoid prefix to POST requests too." [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35340
[01:51:20] 	 03(mod) VisualEditor: Selective serialisation has landed in Parsoid, now VE needs to handle that - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42403  +comment (10Roan Kattouw)
[01:51:21] 	 03(mod) Localize logo for ml.wiktionary - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41785  +comment (10Dereckson)
[01:52:40] 	 03(mod) Update $wgUploadNavigationUrl on en.wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42263  +comment (10Dereckson)
[01:55:46] 	 New patchset: Bsitu; "Initial check-in for email batch" [mediawiki/extensions/Echo] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35342
[01:58:15] 	 03(FIXED) "http-curl-error" when uploading from Flickr - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42468  +comment (10Ryan Kaldari)
[01:59:28] 	 New patchset: Bsitu; "Initial check-in for email batch" [mediawiki/extensions/Echo] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35342
[02:02:58] 	 03(NEW) Need a click-thru privacy disclaimer for Flickr uploading - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42470 normal; MediaWiki extensions: UploadWizard; (rkaldari)
[02:03:14] 	 03(mod) "Zarro Boogs found" is unhelpful - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42467  +comment (10MZMcBride)
[02:04:02] 	 New review: Tim Starling; "Looking good, thanks for doing that." [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35301
[02:11:37] 	 Does anyone have experience coordinating multiple wikis on a single server?
[02:12:33] 	 I'm wondering what sort of issues/problems/advantages there might be to setting up seperate wikis for seperate projects, versus a single wiki with seperate clusters of articles.
[02:19:44] 	 03(mod) Redirect pages should render all text - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/14323  +comment (10Paine Ellsworth)
[02:21:02] 	 New patchset: Kaldari; "Adding comments and fixing some incorrect comments" [mediawiki/extensions/Echo] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35317
[02:24:41] 	 03(mod) Create the My best KB layout for Gurumukhi Punjabi in Narayam - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39218  +comment (10Erik Moeller)
[02:24:44] 	 New review: Alex Monk; "Looks good. Want to add anything else or shall I just merge it?" [mediawiki/extensions/Echo] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35317
[02:27:42] 	 is it possible to have flashing text on a wiki page?
[02:28:44] 	 you don't want that ;)
[02:32:03] 	 New review: Alex Monk; "There's not much for me to review here now code-wise. Maybe there are designers who could give some ..." [mediawiki/extensions/Echo] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/34250
[02:32:10] 	 just looking for ways to make headers and "new" items on the page standout....what else can I do besides bold and big?
[02:32:36] 	 underline, italics
[02:34:28] 	 yeah....I saw that...just looking to see if there was anything else
[02:34:30] 	 thanks
[02:41:09] 	 03(mod) "http-curl-error" when uploading from Flickr - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42468  +comment (10Sumana Harihareswara)
[02:42:09] 	 03(FIXED) Thumbnails for local uploads broken on Wikivoyage - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42133  +comment (10Erik Moeller)
[02:43:40] 	 03(mod) Enable $wgAllowCopyUploads (upload by URL) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/20512  +comment (10Sumana Harihareswara)
[02:45:13] 	 heya guys
[02:45:40] 	 at the bottom of many articles, i see a category editor with spaces to add a new category, like (+)... what extension is that?
[02:46:06] 	 It's not an extension
[02:46:12] 	 It's the HotCat gadget
[02:46:25] 	 03(mod) Thumbnail/imagescaler (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41371  +comment (10Erik Moeller)
[02:46:33] 	 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:HOTCAT
[02:46:34] 	 ohhh...
[02:46:35] 	 You'll also need
[02:46:37] 	 !e Gadgets
[02:46:37] 	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Gadgets
[02:46:45] 	 gotcha
[02:47:33] 	 thanks
[02:49:15] 	 ok, my friend's wiki (starfoxwiki.info) *is* running Gadgets... let me jsut see how to help him install HOtCat
[02:49:46] 	 you can install hotcat also locally I guess in your own .js file
[02:50:23] 	 well, we'd like it globally available
[03:04:03] 	 New patchset: Tim Starling; "[JobQueue] Fixed some old race conditions in nextJobDB.php" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/34853
[03:04:13] 	 Change merged: Tim Starling; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/34853
[03:11:41] 	 Reedy: I'm very sure that http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:PagePolice is going to present a security hazard of some sort
[03:11:48] 	 the code just doesn't look very secure
[03:14:56] 	 TimStarling ^
[03:15:53] 	 why are you asking me about this extension?
[03:16:21] 	 So I can tag it
[03:16:27] 	 as being a security hazard
[03:18:31] 	 you can tag it
[03:19:18] 	 for what hazard?
[03:19:24] 	 XSS?
[03:19:28] 	 (seems likely from the code)
[03:20:24] 	 03(mod) message coll-return_to_collection is parsed as wikitext but contains html - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42369  +comment (10Mark Mandel)
[04:07:31] 	 New patchset: Pastakhov; "new implementation #ask as #ask2" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/34976
[04:16:22] 	 03(mod) Wikimedia wiki search is broken (outputting inconsistent results) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42423  +comment (10Andre Klapper)
[04:18:16] 	 New patchset: Pastakhov; "new implementation #ask as #ask2" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/34976
[04:18:45] 	 03(mod) Wikimedia wiki search is broken (outputting inconsistent results) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42423  +comment (10Tim Starling)
[04:26:35] 	 New review: Pastakhov; "My code now specific to the new SMWSQLStore3." [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/34976
[04:49:13] 	 New patchset: Katie Horn; "Making the gateway function filters usable, with regex and removing abs()." [mediawiki/extensions/DonationInterface] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35346
[04:56:03] 	 Change merged: Pgehres; [mediawiki/extensions/DonationInterface] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35346
[05:10:34] 	 New review: Tim Starling; "In LinksUpdate, you should probably do a SELECT ... LIMIT 1 to check if there are any template links..." [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/32488
[05:13:02] 	 New patchset: Spage; "Typo in comment's Example code." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35347
[05:17:18] 	 03(mod) Directionality of video subtitles should match the directionality of the subtitle language - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/27450  +comment (10Amir E. Aharoni)
[05:22:41] 	 03(mod) RTL/bidirectional issues (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/745  (10Amir E. Aharoni)
[05:22:41] 	 03(NEW) Video controls are broken in an RTL interface language - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42471 major; MediaWiki extensions: TimedMediaHandler; (amir.aharoni)
[05:24:45] 	 New patchset: Spage; "Typo in comment's Example code." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35347
[05:28:22] 	 03(mod) Directionality of video subtitles should match the directionality of the subtitle language - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/27450  +comment (10Amir E. Aharoni)
[05:28:54] 	 03(mod) Video controls are broken in an RTL interface language - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42471  +comment (10Amir E. Aharoni)
[05:42:12] 	 Quick question: any ideas why mediawiki's API is giving me "permission denied" errors for uploading an image from a remote server?
[05:49:09] 	 ServerSurfer: is upload_by_url enabled for your usergroup?
[05:49:34] 	 legoktm: let me check
[06:00:51] 	 03(FIXED) All files should have the GPL header (unless explicitally licensed differently) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/26280  +comment (10Bartosz Dziewoński)
[06:02:31] 	 legoktm: it seems that upload_by_url fixed the problem. Thank you.
[06:02:47] 	 :)
[06:02:56] 	 legoktm: it seemed to have been enabled by default in the last stable version. Dunno why it's different now.
[06:04:35] 	 03(FIXED) [Regression] Links to userpage and usertalk are in the wrong order in RTL language - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42337  +comment (10Bartosz Dziewoński)
[06:04:58] 	 I don't follow mw dev enough to know why :P
[06:07:48] 	 New review: Matmarex; "It might be good to describe the change a little more in the commit message, as the mode change is h..." [mediawiki/extensions/WikiEditor] (master) C: 1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/33078
[06:09:16] 	 legoktm: any ideas about the...eh... about why the image-upload API gives errors when querying image properties? action=query&prop=imageinfo&iiprop=url&titles=File:Blah.jpg
[06:09:39] 	 03(mod) Fix some file-related issues in the distribution - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42039  +comment (10Bartosz Dziewoński)
[06:10:55] 	 03(FIXED) User Preferences do not allow me to go to any other tab in IE9 due to "compatibility mode" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41792  +comment (10Bartosz Dziewoński)
[06:11:43] 	 er
[06:12:19] 	 https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&prop=imageinfo&iiprop=url&titles=File:Example.jpg
[06:12:20] 	 Works fine
[06:13:13] 	 legoktm: I get the following error... 	 />
[06:13:30] 	 New patchset: Amire80; "Update from upstream" [mediawiki/extensions/UniversalLanguageSelector] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35348
[06:15:25] 	 ServerSurfer: Yeah I have no idea…I'm not really a mw dev :|
[06:15:34] 	 >_<
[06:15:40] 	 Oh well.
[06:16:10] 	 ServerSurfer: where are you getting that? on a WMF wiki?
[06:16:47] 	 (i'll try to help, but i'm not a dev either :P)
[06:17:56] 	 MatmaRex: on my own local wiki :)
[06:17:58] 	 MatmaRex: upload_by_url is disabled on WMF wiki's so im guessing not
[06:19:00] 	 Change abandoned: Santhosh; "This files are old ones" [mediawiki/extensions/UniversalLanguageSelector] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35348
[06:19:08] 	 !debug
[06:19:09] 	 For information on debugging (including viewing errors), see http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:How_to_debug . A list of related configuration variables is at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Configuration_settings#Debug.2Flogging
[06:19:17] 	 ServerSurfer: ^ have you looked into that already?
[06:19:28] 	 a backtrace could help with debugging
[06:19:50] 	 or you could just do it the old-fashioned way and disable extensions one-by-one until it works (or until you've dialed all)
[06:19:55] 	 disabled*
[06:20:07] 	 hmm.
[06:20:45] 	 you do that by commenting out the require_once statements in LocalSettings.php, right?
[06:21:25] 	 New review: Spage; "Yay Timo!  I see the extra author in Special:Version." [mediawiki/extensions/EventLogging] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35325
[06:21:26] 	 Change merged: Spage; [mediawiki/extensions/EventLogging] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35325
[06:22:16] 	 ServerSurfer: yeah
[06:22:29] 	 MatmaRex: just disabled 'em all, still getting the error.
[06:23:20] 	 New patchset: Ori.livneh; "I wanted to make sure Krinkle was OK with it first." [mediawiki/extensions/EventLogging] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35349
[06:23:30] 	 ServerSurfer: is your wiki public so i can try myself?
[06:23:53] 	 No, it's running on localhost for testing purposes.
[06:24:09] 	 03(mod) Error uploading file [via API] with underscore in name - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/30924  +comment (10Valerie Juarez)
[06:24:17] 	 03(mod) /home bot is dead - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42387  +comment (10Ryan Lane)
[06:24:21] 	 Change merged: Ori.livneh; [mediawiki/extensions/EventLogging] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35349
[06:26:28] 	 legoktm: what version are you on?
[06:26:44] 	 None?
[06:27:10] 	 uh?
[06:27:31] 	 New patchset: Ori.livneh; "Update 'authors'" [mediawiki/extensions/EventLogging] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35350
[06:27:34] 	 MatmaRex: I'm on 1.20
[06:28:57] 	 legoktm: ah, whoops, sorry, it was meant for ServerSurfer :)
[06:29:07] 	 ServerSurfer: if you were upgrading, make sure all files are up-to-dat
[06:29:08] 	 e
[06:29:42] 	 MatmaRex: I upgraded from 1.19 to 1.20, but the problem remained the same. I went by the instructions for upgrading a live site "in place"
[06:31:04] 	 I also tried just starting a new wiki and importing from the old one, but the problem remained the same
[06:31:34] 	 ServerSurfer: you sure you don't have any incorrect patches in any of your files?
[06:31:42] 	 MatmaRex: fairly certain, yes.
[06:31:43] 	 i don't know what could be causing this :/
[06:31:48] 	 Me either.
[06:32:21] 	 Well, I've got to go for now; I'll come back later and ask again. If anybody has any ideas, you might /memo me...
[06:39:55] 	 whoop
[06:45:28] 	 New patchset: Amire80; "Updating from upstream" [mediawiki/extensions/UniversalLanguageSelector] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35351
[06:46:08] 	 Change merged: Amire80; [mediawiki/extensions/UniversalLanguageSelector] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35351
[07:04:51] 	 New review: Nikerabbit; "Should use setMwGlobals but that's job for another commit." [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35304
[07:05:06] 	 New review: Spage; "After applying just this patch I got errors saving Schema:Foo whether my wiki is the $wgEventLogging..." [mediawiki/extensions/EventLogging] (master); V: -1 C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/34490
[07:05:45] 	 Change merged: Nikerabbit; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35299
[07:27:15] 	 03(mod) LabeledSectionTransclusion: Fatal error: Call to undefined method Title::getRedirectTarget() - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42456  +comment (10Merlijn van Deen)
[07:37:34] 	 New review: Eloquence; "The wording has been vetted already. However, the text "Terms of Use" needs to link to https://wikim..." [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/32700
[07:38:54] 	 New patchset: Ryan Lane; "Follow up to Ic13e3436. Actually set the token..." [mediawiki/extensions/OpenStackManager] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35352
[07:39:49] 	 Change merged: Ryan Lane; [mediawiki/extensions/OpenStackManager] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35352
[07:48:56] 	 New patchset: Matmarex; "release notes for I9a2ebd50" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35353
[08:11:25] 	 New patchset: Henning Snater; "Static claims view enhancements" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35354
[08:14:25] 	 New patchset: Nikerabbit; "Set SMW store two v2 to avoid breakage in next update" [translatewiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35355
[08:14:45] 	 03(mod) Localize logo for ml.wiktionary - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41785  +comment (10sunil)
[08:18:17] 	 Change merged: Henning Snater; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35150
[08:20:32] 	 03(mod) SecurePoll polls should support on-wiki setup/configuration - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42464  +comment (10Happy-melon)
[08:29:04] 	 New patchset: Henning Snater; "Static claims view enhancements" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35354
[08:29:24] 	 03(FIXED) Diffs not working - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42017  (10Jan Gerber)
[08:31:47] 	 New review: Aude; "generally looks fine but have a few comments" [mediawiki/core] (master) C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35353
[08:33:52] 	 03(FIXED) Can't mark new timed texts as patrolled - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42364  +comment (10Jan Gerber)
[08:33:54] 	 03(mod) Diffs not working - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42017  (10Jan Gerber)
[08:35:23] 	 03(mod) Edit link in edit tab when old version is in view mode points to latest version in TimedText namespace - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42367   +patch-in-gerrit; +comment (10Jan Gerber)
[08:35:41] 	 03(mod) message coll-return_to_collection is parsed as wikitext but contains html - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42369  +comment (10Ralf Schmitt)
[08:39:05] 	 New patchset: Nikerabbit; "WebFonts to master" [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.21wmf4) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35356
[08:40:48] 	 03(mod) Install Extension:NewUserMessage on gu.wikipedia and gu.wikisource - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40872  +comment (10Dhaval)
[08:41:23] 	 Change merged: Siebrand; [translatewiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35355
[08:42:25] 	 New patchset: Nikerabbit; "(bug 42337) Simplify "my talk" link logic in personal tools" [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.21wmf4) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35357
[08:43:13] 	 New review: Siebrand; "Per aude." [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35353
[08:46:24] 	 03(mod) PHP error "Invalid special page name """ trying to donate on WMF Global support page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42390  +comment (10kobylin)
[08:49:17] 	 New patchset: Nikerabbit; "(bug 42337) Simplify "my talk" link logic in personal tools" [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.21wmf5) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35358
[08:52:47] 	 Change merged: Siebrand; [mediawiki/extensions/SpamBlacklist] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28829
[08:57:23] 	 04(REOPENED) "http-curl-error" when uploading from Flickr - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42468  +comment (10Antoine "hashar" Musso)
[08:59:15] 	 03(mod) Hard coding LIKE in db queries isn't database agnostic - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41855  +comment (10Jan Gerber)
[09:04:05] 	 New patchset: Aaron Schulz; "Added a script to populate file HTTP headers for existing files." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35333
[09:05:26] 	 03(NEW) make sure mwcore PHP files are covered by GPL license - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42472 enhancement; Wikimedia: Testing Infrastructure; (hashar)
[09:05:46] 	 03(mod) make sure mwcore PHP files are covered by GPL license - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42472  (10Antoine "hashar" Musso)
[09:06:28] 	 03(mod) All files should have the GPL header (unless explicitally licensed differently) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/26280  +comment (10Antoine "hashar" Musso)
[09:07:12] 	 Change merged: Nikerabbit; [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.21wmf4) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35356
[09:07:26] 	 03(mod) Excepting of projects on the IRC-Bot wikibugs in #mediawiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34860  +comment (10Antoine "hashar" Musso)
[09:08:01] 	 Change merged: Nikerabbit; [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.21wmf4) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35357
[09:08:59] 	 03(mod) MediaWiki core tests are slower since Precise upgrade - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41607  +comment (10Antoine "hashar" Musso)
[09:09:52] 	 New review: Hashar; "Well we are deprecating subversion in favor of git/gerrit." [mediawiki/tools/code-utils] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/34851
[09:10:29] 	 Change merged: Nikerabbit; [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.21wmf5) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35358
[09:17:54] 	 Hello, is there a way to change the subject of the mail sent from mediawiki ? (usercreation, reset password etc)
[09:18:24] 	 The hard brackets in [SITENAME] is given us trouble..
[09:18:54] 	 03(mod) Enable WebFonts for Persian Wikipedia (fa.wp) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42280  -patch-in-gerrit -shell ; +comment (10Niklas Laxström)
[09:23:51] 	 New patchset: Aaron Schulz; "Store "bad metadata" placeholder metadata for SVGs." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35301
[09:24:48] 	 jdo_dk: probably there is, let me look
[09:26:53] 	 New patchset: Tobias Gritschacher; "(no bug) added more selenium tests for client RC" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35170
[09:29:11] 	 jdo_dk: which version are you running?
[09:30:18] 	 jdo_dk: anyway, it will probably be the enotif_subject message, editable by administrators at [[MediaWiki:enotif_subject]] on your wiki :)
[09:35:34] 	 New review: Hashar; "Thanks S, there was sooo many typo in that file :-)" [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35347
[09:35:36] 	 Change merged: Hashar; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35347
[09:50:44] 	 New patchset: Tobias Gritschacher; "(no bug) added more selenium tests for client RC" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35170
[09:51:28] 	 03(mod) Enable $wgAllowCopyUploads (upload by URL) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/20512  +comment (10This, that and the other)
[09:59:48] 	 Change merged: Henning Snater; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35297
[10:00:01] 	 MatMaRex: Sorry, got away from the computer. :D
[10:00:43] 	 Found the text in messages and changed the "danish" email confirmSubject. (removed the [ and ]) and everything works.
[10:01:40] 	 jdo_dk: you could do it by editing the page in MediaWiki: namespace as well
[10:01:52] 	 so it won't get erased when you upgrade MediaWiki
[10:02:26] 	 But in messages it says: 'confirmemail_subject'      => '[{{SITENAME}}] - bekræftelse af e-mail-adressen',
[10:02:37] 	 So i had to remove the brackets.
[10:04:23] 	 Change merged: Hashar; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/33859
[10:04:47] 	 Change merged: Henning Snater; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35335
[10:07:02] 	 Change merged: Henning Snater; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35336
[10:07:06] 	 New patchset: Matthias Mullie; "datamodel [DO NOT MERGE - WIP]" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/27981
[10:17:24] 	 New review: Hashar; "> And there is a very good chance that almost no-one is using the buggy browsers" [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: -2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/23995
[10:19:37] 	 New review: Hashar; "Thanks Aaron" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17671
[10:22:28] 	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Initial poke at setreference API [DO NOT SUBMIT]" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/34912
[10:25:18] 	 03(mod) Enable $wgAllowCopyUploads (upload by URL) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/20512  +comment (10Nemo)
[10:25:19] 	 03(mod) If a user's real name isn't specified in Flickr, no author is set for Flickr uploads - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42312  (10Nemo)
[10:25:21] 	 New patchset: Wizardist; "Fixes an issue, where 'Error missing media source' message was given instead of a player. It happens on wikis with site languges other than English: looking for derivatives in remote repository file, localized NS_FILE is called, and Commons is not aware o" [mediawiki/extensions/TimedMediaHandler] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35361
[10:25:41] 	 yay
[10:26:19] 	 New patchset: Daniel Werner; "(bug 40957) add statement to an item" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35362
[10:28:02] 	 03(mod) Disallow usernames that are too similar to existing names (confusables, impersonation) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/2290  +comment (10Anu)
[10:31:11] 	 New patchset: Daniel Werner; "(bug 40957) add statement to an item" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35362
[10:33:35] 	 03(mod) [] in the future dont show this message does not work - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42062  +comment (10Anu)
[10:36:51] 	 New patchset: Hashar; "Jenkins test, please ignore" [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35364
[10:37:00] 	 New patchset: Daniel Werner; "(bug 40957) add statement to an item" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35362
[10:37:46] 	 New review: Hashar; "+2 to trigger zuul tests" [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master); V: 0 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35364
[10:41:13] 	 New patchset: Daniel Werner; "(bug 40957) add statement to an item" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35362
[10:42:12] 	 Change merged: Aude; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35031
[10:45:07] 	 Change merged: Henning Snater; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35362
[10:45:23] 	 Change merged: Anja Jentzsch; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35170
[10:47:19] 	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "fix type check" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35365
[10:47:50] 	 Change merged: Jeroen De Dauw; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35365
[10:48:17] 	 New patchset: Nemo bis; "(bug 14901) Expand release notes" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35243
[10:51:00] 	 03(mod) Make page titles case-insensitive (but preserve case-sensitivity for display) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/453  +comment (10Anu)
[10:54:13] 	 New patchset: Jens Ohlig; "(Bug 42150) Write script that queries the database for entity artifacts" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/34881
[10:54:37] 	 New review: Jens Ohlig; "Removed “[DO NOT MERGE]" :)" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/34881
[10:56:49] 	 03(mod) message snippets in notifications should skip templates - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41139  +comment (10Nemo)
[10:59:18] 	 New patchset: Matmarex; "release notes for I9a2ebd50" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35353
[11:01:23] 	 03(mod) Special page to send email to all users - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/1522  +comment (10Anu)
[11:02:58] 	 03(UNCONFIRMED) Not receiving Wikipedia email notifications - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39298   +testme; +comment (10Nemo)
[11:06:13] 	 New patchset: Ori.livneh; "Add Schema namespace and content model" [mediawiki/extensions/EventLogging] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/34490
[11:06:59] 	 Change merged: Tobias Gritschacher; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35172
[11:12:20] 	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Added composer package definition file" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35296
[11:12:47] 	 03(mod) Bugzilla uses invalid markup or wrong doctype - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/1463  +comment (10Anu)
[11:12:52] 	 03(NEW) Allow upload-by-URL from upload.wikimedia.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42473 normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (at.light)
[11:14:07] 	 03(mod) Allow upload-by-URL from upload.wikimedia.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42473  +comment (10This, that and the other)
[11:17:29] 	 03(NEW) Configuration to use local cache tables - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42474 normal; MediaWiki extensions: WikidataClient; (aude.wiki)
[11:19:06] 	 03(mod) Size of changes - minus-sign instead of hyphen - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38579  +comment (10TMg)
[11:20:25] 	 03(FIXED) Access items per site table on the repo - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42449  (10Aude)
[11:23:07] 	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Added setference API module" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/34912
[11:23:37] 	 03(mod) Install Extension:NewUserMessage on gu.wikipedia and gu.wikisource - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40872  +comment (10Dereckson)
[11:25:22] 	 03(mod) LabeledSectionTransclusion: Fatal error: Call to undefined method Title::getRedirectTarget() - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42456  +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[11:26:04] 	 New patchset: Tobias Gritschacher; "(no bug) fixed SiteLinkLookupTest" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35374
[11:26:35] 	 03(mod) Thumbnails for local uploads broken on Wikivoyage - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42133  +comment (10Faidon Liambotis)
[11:28:23] 	 New patchset: Matthias Mullie; "datamodel [DO NOT MERGE - WIP]" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/27981
[11:29:20] 	 03(mod) Configure import sources on tewiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41880  +comment (10Dereckson)
[11:29:49] 	 03(ASSIGNED) Configure import sources on tewiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41880   +patch-in-gerrit (10Dereckson)
[11:30:11] 	 03(mod) Bot edits don't trigger email notifications - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38874  +comment (10Nemo)
[11:30:13] 	 03(mod) Documentation is out of date, incomplete (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/1  (10Nemo)
[11:31:52] 	 03(mod) Special:Upload to Wikipedia:Upload on as.wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38245  summary (10Dereckson)
[11:33:15] 	 03(mod) Bug and feature requests related to Wikimedia Commons (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37883  (10Dereckson)
[11:33:17] 	 03(mod) Allow upload-by-URL from upload.wikimedia.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42473  +comment (10Dereckson)
[11:34:01] 	 03(mod) Allow upload-by-URL from upload.wikimedia.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42473  +comment (10Dereckson)
[11:35:57] 	 New patchset: Matthias Mullie; "Refactor AFT backend" [mediawiki/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/24264
[11:39:14] 	 New patchset: Daniel Werner; "wb.ui.Toolbar.EditGroup now triggers preventable events (DO NOT MERGE)" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35377
[11:41:24] 	 New review: Aude; "only the client store method should be change here (see also my comments)" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 0 C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35374
[11:43:45] 	 03(mod) InstantCommons doesn't respect $wgHTTPProxy - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42196  +comment (10Roland Wohlfahrt)
[11:45:52] 	 New patchset: Tobias Gritschacher; "(no bug) fixed SiteLinkLookupTest" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35374
[11:48:02] 	 Change merged: Aude; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35374
[11:50:38] 	 Hello all.
[11:50:48] 	 I am looking for help concerning search in mediawiki.
[11:54:02] 	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Fixed @ingroup inconsistencies (mainly in lib and client), renamed Wikibase group to WikibaseRepo and made all groups part of new group Wikibase" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35379
[11:56:01] 	 I recenlty installed it, but fuzzy search (adding ~ at the end of a word in search field) is not working by default. Do you know why ?
[11:56:50] 	 New review: Tobias Gritschacher; "When trying this on my local machine:" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35169
[11:58:14] 	 03(NEW) Hide anons and logged in users filters don't work with Wikidata changes - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42475 normal; MediaWiki extensions: WikidataClient; (aude.wiki)
[12:00:45] 	 Any clue formy issue ? Thanksfor your help.
[12:03:04] 	 03(mod) InstantCommons doesn't respect $wgHTTPProxy - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42196  +comment (10Roland Wohlfahrt)
[12:08:12] 	 allo maytes
[12:08:30] 	 anyone know whats the easiest way to convert existing pages into subpages?
[12:08:35] 	 yo
[12:11:05] 	 03(mod) Not receiving Wikipedia email notifications - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39298  +comment (10Chris Maloney)
[12:16:57] 	 03(mod) Size of changes - minus-sign instead of hyphen - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38579  (10TMg)
[12:16:58] 	 03(mod) Language::formatNum() should prefix negative values with − - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/8327  (10TMg)
[12:17:19] 	 14(WFM) Not receiving Wikipedia email notifications - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39298  +comment (10Nemo)
[12:17:34] 	 04(REOPENED) Language::formatNum() should prefix negative values with − - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/8327  +comment (10TMg)
[12:29:37] 	 New patchset: Matthias Mullie; "MWTimestamp::getHumanTimestamp uses 'just-ago' message, which did not exist" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35380
[12:31:13] 	 Seems dead here ... I am quite new. Do you know what is the best place to ask for support on Mediawiki ? Thanks.
[12:33:01] 	 New patchset: Daniel Werner; "wb.ui.Toolbar.EditGroup now triggers preventable events (DO NOT MERGE)" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35377
[12:33:55] 	 14(WFM) Change the float of #p-personal list items to follow directionality of the page in Vector skin - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42366  +comment (10Huji)
[12:39:28] 	 03(mod) Change the float of #p-personal list items to follow directionality of the page in Vector skin - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42366  +comment (10Amir E. Aharoni)
[12:41:05] 	 03(mod) Language::formatNum() should prefix negative values with − - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/8327  +comment (10Paul Selitskas)
[12:42:49] 	 Change merged: Siebrand; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35353
[12:44:48] 	 New review: Siebrand; "Looks fine, but needs a manual rebate." [mediawiki/core] (master); V: -1 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35243
[12:45:06] 	 New review: Siebrand; "Darn auto correct!" [mediawiki/core] (master); V: -1 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35243
[12:45:14] 	 03(mod) Language::formatNum() should prefix negative values with − - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/8327  +comment (10Nemo)
[12:46:45] 	 03(mod) Bugzilla uses invalid markup or wrong doctype - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/1463  +comment (10Andre Klapper)
[12:48:31] 	 New patchset: Daniel Werner; "wb.ui.Toolbar.EditGroup now triggers preventable events (DO NOT MERGE)" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35377
[12:53:46] 	 New patchset: Matthias Mullie; "datamodel [DO NOT MERGE - WIP]" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/27981
[12:54:03] 	 New patchset: Matthias Mullie; "Refactor AFT backend" [mediawiki/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/24264
[12:54:14] 	 03(mod) Load SecurePoll configuration for ArbCom elections on enwiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42447  +comment (10Andre Klapper)
[13:05:49] 	 03(mod) [] in the future dont show this message does not work - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42062  +comment (10Andre Klapper)
[13:08:23] 	 03(mod) Disallow usernames that are too similar to existing names (confusables, impersonation) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/2290  +comment (10Andre Klapper)
[13:11:30] 	 03(mod) upgradeRow() constantly triggered for invalid SVG and DjVu files - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41090   +patch-in-gerrit (10Andre Klapper)
[13:13:52] 	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Updated setclaimvalue to allow for changing the type of the mainsnak" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35381
[13:25:24] 	 New review: Jeroen De Dauw; "ULS is not in this package repo yet, and AFAIK it's not a hard dependency. Even if it is, let's firs..." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35296
[13:29:48] 	 New patchset: Nemo bis; "(bug 14901) Expand release notes" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35243
[13:32:08] 	 03(mod) Allow searching in intersections, etc. of categories - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/5244  +comment (10Vituzzu@it.wiki)
[13:36:12] 	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Ommit empty arrays from serialization as discussed on the mailing list 2 weeks back or so" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35382
[13:40:08] 	 03(NEW) update.php triggers property statistics update every time - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42476 normal; MediaWiki extensions: Semantic MediaWiki; (jeroen_dedauw)
[13:46:17] 	 Change merged: Siebrand; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35243
[13:54:11] 	 03(mod) thumb.php on Wikimedia Commons is serving broken images (thumbnail generation fails) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42047  +comment (10Laurent J.)
[13:58:12] 	 New review: Jens Ohlig; "Convinced." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35296
[13:58:12] 	 Change merged: Jens Ohlig; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35296
[13:58:57] 	 New review: Jens Ohlig; "Oh my, what a lot of changes. But all looking good!" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35379
[13:58:57] 	 Change merged: Jens Ohlig; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35379
[14:00:35] 	 New patchset: Wizardist; "Eliminate dummy Language instances from being created" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35383
[14:03:12] 	 03(mod) initialization of the Language object is very heavy - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41103  +comment (10Paul Selitskas)
[14:06:43] 	 New review: Daniel Kinzler; "working on direct access to item blobs now. a first version should be done by tomorrow" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35172
[14:25:28] 	 03(mod) After introduction of WAI-ARIA roles, Voice-Over is extremely slow - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42394  +comment (10Christian Thiele)
[14:43:08] 	 New review: J; "thanks for the patch" [mediawiki/extensions/TimedMediaHandler] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35361
[14:43:08] 	 Change merged: J; [mediawiki/extensions/TimedMediaHandler] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35361
[14:50:23] 	 03(mod) #lsth: Cannot transclude a section by heading more than once - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38077  summary; +comment (10Merlijn van Deen)
[14:51:18] 	 03(FIXED) Add labels to user contributions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41624  +comment (10Anja Jentzsch)
[14:56:22] 	 03(NEW) lst: transcluding a broken redirect does not show a clear error message - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42477 enhancement; MediaWiki extensions: LabeledSectionTransclusion; (valhallasw)
[14:57:51] 	 New patchset: Henning Snater; "wb.ui.Toolbar.EditGroup now triggers preventable events" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35377
[14:58:15] 	 New patchset: Merlijn van Deen; "Bug 42456 - Add tests to document current behavior" [mediawiki/extensions/LabeledSectionTransclusion] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35388
[15:01:29] 	 03(mod) LabeledSectionTransclusion: Fatal error: Call to undefined method Title::getRedirectTarget() - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42456  +comment (10Merlijn van Deen)
[15:03:52] 	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Added removereferences API module" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35389
[15:12:34] 	 santhosh: ping?
[15:12:53] 	 yuvipanda: Hi, back from trip?
[15:13:00] 	 santhosh: nope
[15:13:09] 	 extended trip for a week, so on it until 4th :P
[15:13:21] 	 santhosh: currently at CIS India office, working with subha on the odiya keyboard :P
[15:13:35] 	 (i setup a working repo locally for him so he can modify/try and he's been going crazy :P)
[15:13:54] 	 santhosh: question - any way to turn off case insensitivity in jquery.ime rules?
[15:14:32] 	 yuvipanda: not directly, may be by writing regex for both cases and mapping it to a single output?
[15:14:37] 	 oh nevermind, that was a pre-existing rule
[15:14:42] 	 there was such a thing
[15:14:44] 	 [yY]
[15:14:46] 	 which he didn't see
[15:14:54] 	 which was causing the case *in*sensitive behavior
[15:15:10] 	 santhosh: also, keypress doesn't seem to fire on Chrome for Android
[15:15:15] 	 santhosh: and hence translit never works
[15:15:29] 	 santhosh: i did a hack in which i made it fire on keydown instead, but for some reason that didn't either
[15:15:35] 	 oh, anything special to do for that?
[15:15:45] 	 santhosh: no idea, this is ideally 'supposed' to work
[15:15:53] 	 haven't run into keypress not firing in chrome android before
[15:16:03] 	 but i debugged it and that's what turned out to be happening
[15:16:13] 	 breakpoints in keypress weren't being hit, but they were once i changed it to keydown
[15:21:29] 	 santhosh: http://yuvi.in/jquery.ime/examples/index.html
[15:22:47] 	 yuvipanda: looks like some syntax error in the mapping
[15:28:27] 	 santhosh: yeah, it's copying files still
[15:28:29] 	 scp is slow :)
[15:28:34] 	 okay i need to poof
[15:28:42] 	 santhosh: i'll teach him to do a pull req tomorrow :)
[15:28:49] 	 great.
[15:28:50] 	 santhosh: and debug the android issue a bit more and file issues :)
[15:31:49] 	 New patchset: Tobias Gritschacher; "(no bug) selenium tests for client watchlist" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35390
[15:38:32] 	 Hi all
[15:39:31] 	 What's the recommended video embedding extension? YouTube, EmbedVideo, EmbedVideo++, Video, or something else?
[15:43:11] 	 dneary - personally, I'd recommend Widgets.
[15:43:14] 	 !e Widgets
[15:43:14] 	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Widgets
[15:43:23] 	 New review: Tobias Gritschacher; "when description is empty then the label-edit-button is disabled" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 0 C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35377
[15:44:40] 	 New review: Nikerabbit; "I don't know what I'm supposed to do this. It fails with MySQL, so I guess that literally the correc..." [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35149
[15:46:17] 	 Yaron, Any particular reason? Or just personal preference?
[15:46:33] 	 Yaron, Does Widgets provide any additional security features, for example?
[15:47:12] 	 dneary: it's nice, because it has a lot of flexibility - you can use it to embed any video player, even ones that aren't supported yet; and you can use it for a lot of other stuff as well.
[15:47:15] 	 dneary: if anything, it's know for not providing any :P
[15:47:21] 	 known*
[15:47:26] 	 ...and you can change around the display as well.
[15:47:30] 	 (as in, you have to take care for everything to be properly escaped)
[15:47:51] 	 Yes... although as you long as you just use the pre-defined widgets, there shouldn't be a problem.
[15:48:30] 	 there is also https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:WidgetsFramework
[15:48:42] 	 which is supposed to be like E:Widgets, but better
[15:48:48] 	 (but i personally never used either one)
[15:49:03] 	 New patchset: John Erling Blad; "Function to get the user languages" [mediawiki/extensions/Babel] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/33505
[15:50:30] 	 Right - I don't know what WidgetsFramework is all about; it's a new extension.
[15:51:45] 	 New patchset: Reedy; "Add .gitreview and .gitignore" [mediawiki/extensions/CharRangeSpan] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35391
[15:51:55] 	 New patchset: Reedy; "Add .gitreview and .gitignore" [mediawiki/extensions/Contributors] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35392
[15:52:05] 	 New patchset: Reedy; "Add .gitreview and .gitignore" [mediawiki/extensions/GuidedTour] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35393
[15:52:15] 	 New patchset: Reedy; "Add .gitreview and .gitignore" [mediawiki/extensions/MagicNoCache] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35394
[15:52:23] 	 New patchset: John Erling Blad; "Function to get the user languages" [mediawiki/extensions/Babel] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/33505
[15:52:25] 	 New patchset: Reedy; "Add .gitreview and .gitignore" [mediawiki/extensions/MobileSections] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35395
[15:52:35] 	 New patchset: Reedy; "Add .gitreview and .gitignore" [mediawiki/extensions/Onboarding] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35396
[15:53:34] 	 Change merged: Reedy; [mediawiki/extensions/CharRangeSpan] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35391
[15:53:37] 	 Change merged: Reedy; [mediawiki/extensions/Contributors] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35392
[15:53:41] 	 Change merged: Reedy; [mediawiki/extensions/GuidedTour] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35393
[15:53:45] 	 Change merged: Reedy; [mediawiki/extensions/MagicNoCache] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35394
[15:53:48] 	 Change merged: Reedy; [mediawiki/extensions/MobileSections] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35395
[15:53:52] 	 Change merged: Reedy; [mediawiki/extensions/Onboarding] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35396
[15:55:07] 	 New review: John Erling Blad; "Note that there is an important case where the order of the languages itself gives meaning. That isn..." [mediawiki/extensions/Babel] (master) C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/33505
[15:58:06] 	 Yaron, MatmaRex_: Thanks
[15:58:33] 	 Is there any way to get usage stats on extensions, and find out which are most used?
[15:59:20] 	 Not really
[16:00:31] 	 Checking the talk pages is probably the closest sense you can get.
[16:01:21] 	 Although that's more an indication of (usage * complexity).
[16:05:05] 	 03(mod) Jenkins jobs should use OpenJdk - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42380  +comment (10Antoine "hashar" Musso)
[16:05:29] 	 03(ASSIGNED) Jenkins jobs should use OpenJdk - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42380  (10Antoine "hashar" Musso)
[16:06:37] 	 New review: Tobias Gritschacher; "works but still needs some polishing and improvement." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/34507
[16:06:46] 	 New review: Tobias Gritschacher; "works but still needs some polishing and improvement." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/34507
[16:06:46] 	 Change merged: Tobias Gritschacher; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/34507
[16:09:15] 	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Added setstatementrank API module" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35397
[16:13:28] 	 Change abandoned: Jeroen De Dauw; "(no reason)" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35382
[16:14:44] 	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Added setstatementrank API module" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35397
[16:14:50] 	 New review: Jeroen De Dauw; "Now in https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/35397/" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35382
[16:15:36] 	 sumanah, hey there
[16:15:42] 	 hi dneary 
[16:16:17] 	 sumanah, Do you know if there is any way to know how many (public) MediaWiki instances have installed a given extension?
[16:16:32] 	 sumanah, Or download stats for extensions?
[16:16:48] * dneary  is suffering from the paradox of choice for YouTube extensions
[16:17:10] 	 dneary: I believe hexmode and another person began to collect those kinds of stats
[16:17:15] 	 let me try to dig something up
[16:17:43] 	 i have installed mediawiki119 in fedora 18 and the mediawiki is working but none of the skins are working in firefox or chrome please help someone 
[16:17:49] 	 dneary: http://s23.org/wikistats/
[16:17:51] 	 take a look
[16:18:03] 	 sumanah, Thanks
[16:18:22] * sumanah  waits for it to load
[16:19:09] 	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Added removereferences API module" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35389
[16:19:09] 	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Added setstatementrank API module" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35397
[16:19:09] 	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Added setference API module" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/34912
[16:19:11] 	 New review: Tobias Gritschacher; "needs rebase, 'cause it's sitting there for a while. how can that be tested best?" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 0 C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/34099
[16:19:11] 	 hi danfalosi -- when you say none of the skins are working -- what error do you see?
[16:19:17] 	 (back in a few min)
[16:19:29] 	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Updated @ingroup for repo tests" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35398
[16:19:43] 	 @sumanah it has no styling on the browser
[16:20:34] 	 i have tried symlinks ..copying the skins folder to /var/www/mediawiki/ to no success 
[16:20:46] 	 New review: Nikerabbit; "This makes some of the message files under language/ redundant and those should be deleted." [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35383
[16:22:54] 	 danfalosi: you shouldnt need to copy anything anywhere. just unpack the archive with mediawiki files and don;t change anything in the structure
[16:23:16] 	 maybe there;s something borkedo n your server and the css/js files are not accessible to your server?
[16:23:37] 	 also, what erorrs do you get when you try to access the locations where the files should be? maybe you have misconfigured short urls?
[16:25:19] 	 when i try the different skins it changes the layout but not the css colors and images 
[16:25:20] 	 03(FIXED) Menu appears below other player instances (wrong z-index) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42330  +comment (10Paul Selitskas)
[16:25:44] 	 New patchset: Lwelling; "Initial version of GuidedTour as a mediawiki extension" [mediawiki/extensions/GuidedTour] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35399
[16:25:48] 	 danfalosi: yes, i understood this
[16:25:58] 	 this means there is something wrong wiht the skin files
[16:26:04] 	 help me help you and answer my questions :)
[16:26:19] 	 what erorrs do you get when you try to access the locations where the files should be?
[16:26:26] 	 i had tried 1.6  and worked out of the box so is it possible that load.php  has issues 
[16:26:33] 	 danfalosi: (or just give me a link to the wiki if it's public, so i can see myself)
[16:26:56] 	 if thats the case can i use 1.20 skins and just copy and replace 
[16:27:36] 	 danfalosi:  what erorrs do you get when you try to access the locations where the files should be?
[16:27:43] 	 i can't help if i don't know what's happening
[16:28:08] 	 i very much doubt you could use 1.20 skins with 1.6, or vice-versa
[16:28:14] 	 rewirtes happen
[16:29:29] 	 03(mod) update.php triggers property statistics update every time - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42476  +comment (10Markus Krötzsch)
[16:30:39] 	 my apache seems to only allow access within the fedora machine 
[16:31:29] 	 @wikibugs this is a fully new installation not an update ....i did a yum install mediawiki119
[16:32:16] 	 danfalosi: wikibugs is a bot, ignore it :)
[16:32:44] 	 03(NEW) PropertyContent class not found in PropertyValueSnakTest - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42478 normal; MediaWiki extensions: WikidataClient; (aude.wiki)
[16:32:49] 	 Hi! I'd like some help about my Wiki (still on local PC). I'd like to have Wikiprojects like WIkipedia, but I have no idea where to starts, The concept would be: 4 or more Wikiprojets which have some portals. Any ideas?
[16:33:54] 	 sumanah: dneary: that project has moved to wikistats.wmflabs.org and the other person is mutante (Daniel Zahn)
[16:34:44] 	 New review: Markus Kroetzsch; "I have not looked at the specific code, but I imagine that one could well integrate this information..." [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35156
[16:34:53] 	 Am I alone?
[16:34:55] 	 I don't think installed extensions was one of the things tracked, but it makes a lot of sense.
[16:35:05] 	 josh_: no?
[16:35:20] 	 josh_: this is a pretty low-traffic  channel, be patient
[16:35:47] 	 ok, I was seeing lots of people and asking myself what was wrong :-)
[16:35:48] 	 josh_: look at the project pages you want to copy and use the templates?
[16:36:05] 	 03(mod) Menu appears below other player instances (wrong z-index) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42330  +comment (10Paul Selitskas)
[16:36:08] 	 @Matmaflex i will look at it tomorrow God willing 
[16:36:15] 	 Yes, that would be fine. ANy other things I would have to do?
[16:36:26] 	 03(ASSIGNED) RDF export of imported vocabulary concept: problem with a blank/underscore in the term - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41079  (10Markus Krötzsch)
[16:36:42] 	 Change merged: Tobias Gritschacher; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/34730
[16:37:48] 	 !copytemplates | josh_ 
[16:37:48] 	  josh_ : For help copying templates from one wiki to another, see < http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Templates#Copying_from_one_wiki_to_another >.
[16:37:51] 	 josh_: You *might* need to copy the gadgets and install the Gadgets extension
[16:38:46] 	 Seems pretty easy. So I don't need any core modifications, code lines, or so. Seems pretty easy ;-)
[16:38:56] 	 Thanks|
[16:39:08] 	 thanks for the heads-up hexmode -- dneary I just remembered that a guy named Oliver (sp?) Finlay Beaton did a survey about 6 months ago, lemme try to track that down
[16:39:15] 	 danfalosi: alright
[16:39:19] 	 !tabcompletion | danfalosi
[16:39:20] 	  danfalosi: Instead of manually typing another person's nickname in IRC, you can type the beginning of their name and hit TAB on your keyboard to get it autocompleted, like on the command line.  This avoids misspellings.  Just make sure it's the right person!
[16:41:02] 	 dneary: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Extension_support is sort of helpful but is not quite what you want
[16:41:29] 	 dneary: sorry, I don't know whether those stats exist, but you might try a note to mediawiki-l .... if you'd rather not sign up for that list, send your question to me and I'll forward it.
[16:42:12] 	 I need to head off, email or leave a msg for me :/
[16:47:23] 	 New review: John Erling Blad; "Does not fail for group Wikibase." [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/34912
[16:47:24] 	 Change merged: John Erling Blad; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/34912
[16:50:40] 	 How do I edit "headers" like RepRapPro_Mendel_Contents on this page http://reprap.org/wiki/RepRapPro_Mendel
[16:52:37] 	 The one right at the top?
[16:52:40] 	 !displaytitle
[16:52:41] 	 See .
[16:53:19] 	 New patchset: Daniel Kinzler; "Base class for objects accessign databases." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/34728
[16:53:26] 	 03(NEW) stall causes problems in IE when its callback returns something that's not a Deferred object - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42479 normal; MediaWiki extensions: E3 Experiments; (bjorsch)
[16:53:41] 	 Change merged: John Erling Blad; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35381
[16:53:59] 	 Reedy: came up as bad page tht bot call
[16:54:19] 	 Remove the > at the end of the url
[16:54:26] 	 seems your IRC client isn't smart enough to...
[16:55:46] 	 Reedy: right, but I don't see what format the wiki page that would hold that information would be called, I need to edit the current header and can't find an actual url for it
[16:55:50] 	 Hi! Anyone know why {{SUBST:}} wouldn't work... @#$!ing mediawiki....
[16:55:59] 	 ServerSurfer: show us the code
[16:56:10] 	 ServerSurfer: probably has to do with extension tags, right?
[16:56:21] 	 I don't know.
[16:56:27] 	 Oh, spacexula
[16:56:30] 	 Template namespace
[16:56:36] 	 I've tried googling this, but I'm not finding anything
[16:56:39] 	 I suspect
[16:56:42] 	 slow wiki is sdlwo
[16:56:54] 	 spacexula: http://reprap.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=Template:RepRapPro_Mendel_Contents&action=edit
[16:56:59] 	 {{SUBST:Any actual page}} just shows up as {{SUBST:Any actual page}}, with no links or anything.
[16:57:01] 	 New patchset: Wizardist; "Eliminate dummy Language instances from being created" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35383
[16:57:07] 	 ServerSurfer: show us the code.
[16:57:20] 	 MatmaRex: What do you mean?
[16:57:34] 	 the code of the entire page this doesn't work on, possibly
[16:57:39] 	 maybe you have a  somewhere
[16:57:42] 	 Reedy: got it! thank you
[16:57:48] 	 MatmaRex: {{SUBST:Main Page}}, for instance.
[16:57:54] 	 or it's inside a  tag, and Cite extension is slightly broken here
[16:57:56] 	 MatmaRex: Just that, by itself. It doesn't work.
[16:59:02] 	 ServerSurfer: hm, that's bad. does lowercase work?
[16:59:17] 	 Is that {{#lc:}} ?
[16:59:23] 	 ServerSurfer: and does the page you're tryin to subst exist?
[16:59:30] 	 ServerSurfer: no, i menat  {{subst:Main Page}}
[16:59:32] 	 meant*
[16:59:35] 	 ServerSurfer- {{SUBST:Main Page}} will try to subst [[Template:Main Page]]. If you want [[Main Page]], use {{SUBST::Main Page}} (with two colons).
[16:59:36] 	 MatmaRex: oh, lol
[17:00:28] 	 anomie: Oh, ok. On the wiki I'm used to, SUBST:Anything works fine, no matter what namespace it's in.
[17:00:30] 	 Ok then!
[17:00:48] 	 Is SUBST: from ParserFunctions?
[17:01:27] 	 nope, it's built-in
[17:01:37] 	 >_<
[17:02:04] 	 anomie: how about subpages of user pages? Such as User:ServerSurfer/signature ?
[17:03:15] 	 Please (ab)use a .css for sig transclusions
[17:03:31] 	 Curses!
[17:03:42] 	 Ok.
[17:03:56] 	 G'day! I was asking myself if I could set upload file rights only for me in my Wiki. In my LocalSettings.php I cannot find the line $wgGroupPermissions. How can I ..._
[17:04:20] 	 ServerSurfer: it will work just fine, but it's discouraged on the Wikipedias, usually
[17:04:39] 	 Userspace pages can be edited by anyone... so if you don't use a .js or .css ending (which are only editable by the user themselves and sysops) then anyone will be able to use your signature for vanadlism.
[17:04:42] 	 ServerSurfer- {{subst:User:ServerSurfer/signature}} will do it. If you're trying to do this in your ~~~~ signature, remember to check the checkbox so it's interpreted as wikitext instead of plain text, and check the policies of the wiki in question (e.g. at enwiki, [[WP:SIG]]). And as DanielFriesen said, it's a good idea to use a page that is somehow protected.
[17:04:44] 	 josh_: you might need to add it
[17:05:13] 	 Where in LocalSettings.php?
[17:05:22] 	 anywhere, probably
[17:05:41] 	 and make sure to add the values, and not overwrite all old ones
[17:05:58] 	 default values for all global variables are defined in includes/DefaultSettings.php, afaik
[17:05:59] 	 anomie: Gotcha. However, checking the checkbox seems to do nothing; {{subst:User:ServerSurfer/signature}} shows up as just that (no actual substitution), and this is for local testing, so I'm not worried about vandalism just yet. :)
[17:06:08] 	 you can look there for a reference, but you shouldn't edit that file
[17:06:13] 	 Ok, so I add simply "$wgGroupPermissions['myusername']['upload'] = true" ?
[17:06:21] 	 so your settings don't get lost when you update MediaWiki
[17:06:32] 	 josh_: looks like it should work
[17:06:36] 	 uh, wait, no
[17:06:45] 	 unless myusername is a gropu you've added yourself to
[17:06:49] 	 group*
[17:06:53] 	 New patchset: Lwelling; "Initial version of GuidedTour as a mediawiki extension" [mediawiki/extensions/GuidedTour] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35399
[17:07:01] 	 What is a group?
[17:08:02] 	 josh_: groups are usually sets of rights. when you add  a user to a group, he gets all the rights assigned to the group
[17:08:09] 	 e.g. look here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:ListGroupRights
[17:08:16] 	 that's a list of groups and their right on en.wikipedia
[17:08:34] 	 you should have a [[Special:ListGroupRights]] on your wiki, too
[17:10:22] 	 Oh well, I'm sure I'm Doing It Wrong (tm). I'll figure it out.
[17:10:59] 	 Thanks, but I still don't get it. How do I create a group?
[17:12:19] 	 josh_: hm, i'm not sure. i think you just assign some rights to it, and it should magically appear in the web interface
[17:12:41] 	 on [[Special:Userrights]]
[17:13:20] 	 New review: John Erling Blad; "There were 6 failures:" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: -1 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35389
[17:16:08] 	 New patchset: Henning Snater; "wb.ui.Toolbar.EditGroup now triggers preventable events" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35377
[17:17:25] <^demon>	 saper: Getting all settled in the new home?
[17:18:22] 	 Change merged: Nikerabbit; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35304
[17:18:22] 	 Change merged: Demon; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35302
[17:19:42] 	 New review: John Erling Blad; "There were 6 failures:" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: -1 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35397
[17:20:47] 	 Change merged: Demon; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/13855
[17:23:00] 	 ^demon: \o/ !!!
[17:23:07] <^demon>	 yw
[17:24:12] 	 Has there been any discussion / bug report about merging or at least connecting better http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Git and http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Gerrit ? To te unfamiliar eye there seems to be plenty of overlapping
[17:24:36] 	 (plus depending pages)
[17:24:53] 	 New patchset: Njw; "Initial checkin of 0.9" [mediawiki/extensions/CharRangeSpan] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35401
[17:25:55] 	 qgil: there was a post or two on wikitech-l just a few days ago
[17:26:06] 	 New review: John Erling Blad; "There were 6 failures:" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: -1 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35398
[17:26:16] 	 qgil: somebody wrote another guide and somebody else pointed out that maybe we should have less of them instead of more, iirc
[17:26:43] 	 MatmaRex, ok thank you. Maybe I'm deleting emails too fast these days.  ;) 
[17:27:03] 	 Change merged: Henning Snater; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35377
[17:27:07] <^demon>	 qgil: It could use someone's touch to unify all the docs. Each time someone says "the docs are confusing" they end up writing a new doc.
[17:27:08] 	 03(mod) stall causes problems in IE when its callback returns something that's not a Deferred object - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42479  (10Steven Walling)
[17:27:20] <^demon>	 (or adding more sections to the already-huge Git/Workflow)
[17:27:46] <^demon>	 I think we should massively downsize the docs, and link liberally to the Gerrit docs rather than duplicating everything.
[17:28:28] <^demon>	 http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:PrefixIndex/Git is sad :(
[17:29:15] 	 MatmaRex, ^demon ah now I remember the thread, where https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=36437 was mentioned and I even CCed myself. Should I worry about my mental health?  :)
[17:29:29] 	 I just got a new repository approved for an extension. should i submit the initial checkin with git-review, or just a git push?
[17:29:33] 	 (i just did a git-review, then realised maybe it wasn't appropriate)
[17:29:59] 	 https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/35401/ is the relevant thing
[17:30:00] <^demon>	 Review is fine for an initial commit.
[17:30:05] 	 ok, cool
[17:30:07] 	 does that repo allow push?
[17:30:20] 	 it's a review based one, so possibly not
[17:30:26] 	 then use review :)
[17:30:31] 	 thanks ^demon for setting it up for me, by the way :)
[17:30:42] <^demon>	 You're welcome.
[17:31:03] 	 ^demon, MatmaRex well, I think I just found a good project for the OPW candidates willing to deal with documentation
[17:32:01] 	 if someone wants to jump in and review the above change, that would be awesome. it's i18n related. if not, any clues as to who to add would be much appreciated
[17:32:13] 	 There's a couple of simple things
[17:33:04] 	 njw: if it's i18n, then Siebrand and Nikerabbit :)
[17:33:12] 	 thanks MatmaRex 
[17:33:22] 	 And possibly Raymond
[17:33:25] 	 New patchset: Aaron Schulz; "Made BackLinkCache use object caching better." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35402
[17:33:26] 	 03(NEW) Disabling desktop view is broken - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42480 major; MediaWiki extensions: MobileFrontend; (afeldman)
[17:33:50] 	 03(NEW) lst: cannot nest {{#lst}} tags for the same transcluded page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42481 blocker; MediaWiki extensions: LabeledSectionTransclusion; (valhallasw)
[17:36:49] 	 New review: Reedy; "There is also minor code style issues" [mediawiki/extensions/CharRangeSpan] (master); V: 0 C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35401
[17:37:04] 	 I love how fast you people are :)
[17:37:54] 	 Change merged: Demon; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/34728
[17:39:43] 	 03(mod) Narayam is not working with hotcat, reftoolbar etc. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41766  15enhancement->normal; +comment (10praveenp)
[17:40:02] 	 New patchset: Henning Snater; "Static claims view enhancements" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35354
[17:41:01] 	 ^demon, there's another Chad with an ideographic name?
[17:41:18] <^demon>	 Hrm?
[17:41:55] 	 New patchset: Aaron Schulz; "Made BackLinkCache use object caching better." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35402
[17:41:56] 	 New patchset: Aaron Schulz; "[JobQueue] Improved refreshLinks/htmlCacheUpdate job de-duplication." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/32488
[17:42:47] 	 ^demon: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/35402/ I did a rename with some small changes and the diff actually looks simple \o/
[17:42:58] 	 ^demon: yep
[17:43:12] 	 hmm.. maybe it means 'test'
[17:43:20] 	 New review: Nischayn22; "Its not a requested feature, I did it for fun. Not sure how to do it for all stores yet, for Store3 ..." [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master); V: -1 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35156
[17:43:23] 	 it has a top-level domain: http://www.iana.org/domains/root/db/xn--zckzah.html
[17:43:24] * AaronSchulz  was wondering how gerrit would handle that or if download + git show -p would be needed
[17:43:26] <^demon>	 AaronSchulz: I <3 git.
[17:43:45] 	 yep, it makes normal things easy
[17:43:58] 	 because it relies on git for them
[17:44:06] 	 (or at least i assume so)
[17:44:07] <^demon>	 saper: Glad to hear that.
[17:44:13] 	 (as the gerrit things suck)
[17:44:50] 	 ^demon: how's gerrit stuff doing at wmf?
[17:45:00] <^demon>	 saper: Good. I really want to deploy master.
[17:45:06] <^demon>	 I'm still waiting on UUID fix :\
[17:45:32] 	 ^demon: is the uuid stuff the only showstopper?
[17:45:39] 	 New patchset: Merlijn van Deen; "Bug 42481 - allow nested #lst tags" [mediawiki/extensions/LabeledSectionTransclusion] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35403
[17:45:48] 	 (not a small one though)
[17:46:00] <^demon>	 Yeah. Everything else is fine.
[17:46:00] 	 03(mod) A strict and correct Git workflow document is needed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36437  +comment (10Quim Gil)
[17:46:17] 	 ^demon, MatmaRex 
[17:46:22] 	 yes?
[17:46:28] 	 ah
[17:46:30] 	 ^^^^^
[17:46:43] <^demon>	 saper: I managed to fix the last of the schema migration problems a little bit ago.
[17:46:52] <^demon>	 So all the audit entries are now properly migrated.
[17:47:37] 	 qgil: i'm afraid i wouldn't be a good mentor, as i dislike gerrit with passion, and i love git with similar passion, and worse, i have no experience with svn, and a lot of the guides are svn migration ones
[17:47:42] 	 New patchset: Reedy; "Watchlist grouping" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16419
[17:47:46] 	 feels like mysql is secondary platform eh
[17:48:10] <^demon>	 Well, I had a nice and easy fix that would work for mysql, h2 and pgsql.
[17:48:12] 	 MatmaRex, it's ok. I know where you live.  ;)
[17:48:36] <^demon>	 But it wouldn't work for their backend.
[17:48:41] 	 Oooh, the updater is broken
[17:48:47] 	 Purging caches...done.
[17:48:47] 	 Database serialization may cause problems, since the connection is not restored on wakeup.
[17:48:47] 	 Backtrace:
[17:48:47] 	 #0 [internal function]: DatabaseBase->__sleep()
[17:48:47] <^demon>	 That might be me.
[17:48:58] 	 #2 /var/www/wiki/mediawiki/core/includes/installer/DatabaseUpdater.php(361): DatabaseUpdater->setAppliedUpdates('1.21alpha', Array)
[17:49:02] <^demon>	 I just merged hexmode's updater changes.
[17:49:07] 	 03(ASSIGNED) lst: cannot nest {{#lst}} tags for the same transcluded page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42481   +patch-in-gerrit; +comment (10Merlijn van Deen)
[17:49:09] <^demon>	 (That's a ping, hexmode ;-))
[17:49:16] 	 heh
[17:49:43] * hexmode  looks up
[17:50:07] 	 New patchset: Njw; "Initial checkin of 0.9" [mediawiki/extensions/CharRangeSpan] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35401
[17:50:24] 	 New patchset: Platonides; "Fix $wgHtml5 case. Follow-up c35304 (0473c33)" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35405
[17:50:45] 	 Thanks for the review, Reedy
[17:50:54] 	 New review: Merlijn van Deen; "I think the loop prevention should still be fully functional in this way, but I'm not 100% certain. ..." [mediawiki/extensions/LabeledSectionTransclusion] (master) C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35403
[17:52:56] 	 Reedy: this is for the could you tell me how to reproduce your updater problems?
[17:53:03] 	 New patchset: Daniel Werner; "Improved jQuery.NativeEventHandler" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35406
[17:53:03] 	 New patchset: Daniel Werner; "(bug 40956) Edit buttons for statements do interact with values now" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35407
[17:53:16] 	 hexmode: run the updater
[17:53:17] 	 php maintenance/update.php --quick
[17:53:23] 	 wait, see errors
[17:53:34] 	 I've done that.... but let me re-verify
[17:53:43] 	 http://p.defau.lt/?q68ppZcAlLCTmyUulUx1KA
[17:53:45] 	 Reedy: is this on a new install?
[17:54:17] 	 no
[17:54:42] 	 k, let me try with latest git
[17:55:29] 	 hurrah, already two bugs in my first feature.
[17:56:31] 	 Change merged: Demon; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35307
[17:56:48] 	 Change merged: Demon; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35405
[17:56:55] 	 valhallasw: that's kinda normal ;)
[17:57:44] 	 Change merged: Demon; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35306
[17:58:17] 	 Reedy: ^demon: latest gives me errors.  dumping db to track down and retrying w/ root instead of my low priv user
[17:58:35] 	 Change merged: Demon; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35402
[17:59:22] 	 MatmaRex: probably. It still feels like wasting other people's time ;-)
[17:59:57] 	 New review: Njw; "I thought I followed all of the coding conventions (I did read those pages). Can you let me know whe..." [mediawiki/extensions/CharRangeSpan] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35401
[18:00:18] 	 New review: Matmarex; "Same as before. (-1ing to get this off my dashboard.)" [mediawiki/extensions/UploadWizard] (master) C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/33039
[18:00:24] <^demon>	 saper: If you have the time, a review on the uuid thing would help. I know Shawn still has to review, but a second set of eyes might at least catch something I missed.
[18:00:31] <^demon>	 (And get it fixed before Shawn reviews)
[18:01:34] 	 03(mod) wrong value in sparql query if the property value is a redirect page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40084  04BLOCKER->normal; +comment (10Jeroen De Dauw)
[18:02:28] 	 ^demon: if you could drop my some ldif files to build LDAP environment it would help
[18:03:31] <^demon>	 You don't have to have LDAP to use it.
[18:03:38] 	 Reedy: you have oauth user table... any other extensions installed?  I couldn't reproduce with my setup unless I use the low priv user
[18:03:44] <^demon>	 You can still prove that things are via uuid with normal groups.
[18:03:51] <^demon>	 We could test it on labs.
[18:03:56] <^demon>	 That uses ldap :p
[18:03:58] 	 ^demon: no, but my LDAP testing is long overdue
[18:04:32] <^demon>	 Ah.
[18:04:52] 	 hexmode: 50+ seemingly
[18:05:09] 	 http://p.defau.lt/?tOszkYUxopV74b1v7XTZow
[18:05:21] <^demon>	 saper: We could setup a dummy LDAP server in labs maybe.
[18:05:28] 	 Reedy: :) k, I'll look at this problem i just turned up with low priv user
[18:06:06] 	 then add oauth, etc
[18:06:12] 	 ^demon: just some ldif export with some personal info removed is enough
[18:06:40] 	 some?
[18:06:42] 	 Not all of it?
[18:07:12] <^demon>	 saper: That's a question for Ryan. I don't have access to all the ldap stuff.
[18:09:41] 	 ^demon: ldapsearch :)
[18:10:12] 	 03(mod) Semantic Search produces invalid links for ModSecurity (the WAF) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35203  04CRIT->minor; +comment (10Jeroen De Dauw)
[18:11:06] 	 welp, i just scanned the entire pl.wikipedia database dump to discover that a certain issue i came upon was present only in that one article. :(
[18:11:14] 	 wheee
[18:11:19] 	 03(mod) Make page titles case-insensitive (but preserve case-sensitivity for display) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/453  +comment (10Andre Klapper)
[18:11:49] 	 New patchset: Siebrand; "Move all group configuration to a sub folder" [translatewiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35408
[18:11:50] 	 Isarra, 
[18:11:50] 	 http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Outreach_Program_for_Women#Consolidate_the_Git_.2F_Gerrit_documentation
[18:11:50] 	 http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Outreach_Program_for_Women#The_definitive_landing_place_for_new_contributors
[18:12:02] 	 Isarra, just in case you are interested
[18:12:42] 	 Yeah, thanks.
[18:17:58] 	 New review: Anomie; "This change needs significant rethinking." [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: -2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/32566
[18:19:10] 	 Krinkle|detached: u here?
[18:20:31] 	 is there a limit to the number of api queries a person can place within a certain amount of time (say, 1 minute)?
[18:20:44] 	 Sid-G: i wouldn't count on this, if Krinkle's detached, it means he's asleep or otherwise away ;)
[18:21:04] 	 MatmaRex: hey :)
[18:22:02] 	 New patchset: Daniel Kinzler; "Fix per-connection database name in DBAccessBase." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35409
[18:22:08] 	 Reedy: nothing jumps out at me.  And I don't recall adding any serialization anywhere.  Would you mind filing a bug and assigning it to me so I can look later?
[18:22:12] 	 Sid-G: have you hit any? if not, there probably aren't, at least i've never hit any (although i was always operating from a bot or admin account)
[18:22:22] 	 I can do, yeah
[18:22:31] 	 Sid-G: of course, you're gonna get nuked if you manage to do something that would disturb the servers
[18:23:10] 	 MatmaRex: uh, I managed to make a js thingy which uses the API (for the category intersection stuff)
[18:23:15] 	 Sid-G: there are limits on how many "things" you can retrieve at once (500 for normal users, 5000 for bots), i think this is considered a good enough prevention
[18:23:32] 	 as long as you're not firing multiple requests at once
[18:23:36] 	 New patchset: Aaron Schulz; "[JobQueue] Improved refreshLinks/htmlCacheUpdate job de-duplication." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/32488
[18:23:43] 	 MatmaRex: yeah, I coded the thingy to continue the request till it gets all members
[18:24:15] 	 I was using wikimedia's servers for testing an API bot last week because the servers it was meant for kept going down because of it.
[18:24:29] 	 Sid-G: read requests are cheap in general
[18:24:39] 	 Granted said other servers have been known to go down if an admin tries using the nuke extension, so that's not saying much.
[18:24:59] 	 MatmaRex: ok :) that's a relief
[18:25:00] 	 Sid-G: if i were you, i wouldn't bother adding any breaks before each requests, or anything like that, if that's what you were thinking about
[18:25:13] 	 Sid-G: apart from some sanity checks on the categories' sizes
[18:25:13] 	 And yeah, throwing reads just hits slaves and caches, no?
[18:25:30] 	 MatmaRex: sanity checks, why?
[18:25:35] 	 Sid-G: so people do not unknowingly try to intersent two categories with 100k articles each :P
[18:25:39] 	 intersect*
[18:25:43] 	 good idea btw
[18:26:05] 	 but since it's js, they'll probably just close the page before the requests complete
[18:26:29] 	 Sid-G: (also, requesting all the contents of any larger category via api is going to take ages anyway, due to the 500/req limit)
[18:26:40] 	 yup
[18:26:55] 	 tried with one with 18k articles, took about a minute for me
[18:26:59] 	 Isarra: i don;t know enough about the infrastructure to tell you - probably yes
[18:27:07] 	 as in, it would make sense if they did
[18:27:20] 	 and the ops people here tend to be smart guys
[18:27:42] 	 anyways, i was looking for someone with js foo for performance appraisal of the thingy
[18:28:50] 	 Change merged: Demon; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35409
[18:29:17] 	 http://bit.ly/SodeUt
[18:29:24] * MatmaRex  has filled up the job queue of pl.wiki with 50k articles per server and damn, the numbers are going down *slowly*
[18:29:38] 	 New patchset: Daniel Werner; "(bug 40956) Edit buttons for statements do interact with values now" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35407
[18:29:49] 	 03(FIXED) Configure import sources on tewiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41880  +comment (10Dereckson)
[18:30:47] 	 Sid-G: looks fun
[18:31:05] 	 MatmaRex: thanks. :)
[18:32:04] 	 03(FIXED) Windows 8/RT Internet Explorer 10 given non-JS version of mobile site - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41517  +comment (10Arthur Richards)
[18:35:59] 	 03(NEW) enotif doesn't send email if page on watchlist edited following a bot edit - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42482 normal; MediaWiki: Email; (dragonlordofxanther)
[18:36:39] 	 New patchset: Siebrand; "Fix syntax error." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35410
[18:37:10] 	 qgil: saw your "admin only; see poor man version" comment on http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Community_metrics/Master_report#Bugs
[18:37:20] 	 qgil, could you try accessing it again? Should be fixed now.
[18:37:29] 	 03(mod) Bot edits don't trigger email notifications - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38874  +comment (10Phillip Patriakeas)
[18:37:42] 	 14(WFM) Maintenance/update.php fails due to error caused by Semantic Mediawiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33400  +comment (10Jeroen De Dauw)
[18:37:54] 	 Please review and merge https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/35410/1
[18:38:03] 	 Someone merged a syntax error in MessagesQqq.php.
[18:38:11] 	 I can't even find it in Gerrit.
[18:38:26] 	 ori-l: ^^^^^
[18:38:38] 	 03(FIXED) Localize logo for ml.wiktionary - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41785  +comment (10Dereckson)
[18:38:52] 	 ^demon: ^^^^
[18:39:53] 	 03(NEW) Updater: Database serialization may cause problems, since the connection is not restored on wakeup. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42483 normal; MediaWiki: Installer; (sam)
[18:40:05] 	 I was waiting for jenkins
[18:40:11] 	 Change merged: Reedy; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35410
[18:40:39] 	 lol
[18:40:44] 	 ...
[18:40:51] 	 there was a quip about this...
[18:41:08] 	 New patchset: MaxSem; "Index page_id" [mediawiki/extensions/GeoData] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35411
[18:42:02] <^demon>	 siebrand: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/35027/5/languages/messages/MessagesQqq.php - this was at fault
[18:42:16] 	 New review: Lwelling; "I'd like to see failed socket creation handled" [mediawiki/extensions/EventLogging] (master); V: 0 C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35290
[18:42:26] 	 wut
[18:42:30] 	 Jenkins approved it? :/
[18:42:33] 	 doesn't jenkins check the syntax?
[18:43:00] 	 uh, also, guys
[18:43:06] 	 that change was merged in two wmf branches
[18:43:10] 	 https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/q/Ib6076396,n,z
[18:43:34] 	 lol.
[18:43:36] 	 so somebody might want to check this out
[18:43:42] 	 just a suggestion
[18:43:50] 	 it's bad to have syntax errors in production
[18:43:51] 	 Localisation update does weird shit
[18:43:54] 	 even in qqq
[18:43:54] 	 :P
[18:44:03] 	 might not even actually use the files in most cases..
[18:44:12] 	 still
[18:44:21] 	 that's gonna make fun screenshots if somebody notices
[18:45:21] 	 New patchset: Reedy; "Fix syntax error." [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.21wmf4) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35412
[18:45:38] 	 You can fix this yourself, you know? Submit to the branches etc? ;)
[18:45:39] 	 hm, is is even possible to cause that file to be parsed on a regular wiki?
[18:45:41] 	 https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/35403/ needs review and backport
[18:45:54] 	 Reedy: if i do, my patch is going to wait for months, like my previous patches
[18:46:00] 	 so i'm gonna leave it to employees
[18:46:07] 	 It'll get abandoned
[18:46:11] 	 as the branches do
[18:46:13] 	 New patchset: Reedy; "Fix syntax error." [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.21wmf5) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35413
[18:46:25] <^demon>	 LU pulls from master, so syntax errors in branches don't matter like omg now.
[18:46:33] <^demon>	 But worth doing :)
[18:46:52] 	 Change merged: Reedy; [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.21wmf4) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35412
[18:46:57] 	 Change merged: Reedy; [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.21wmf5) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35413
[18:47:56] 	 New review: Matmarex; "+/-0, comment on the commit message." [mediawiki/extensions/LabeledSectionTransclusion] (master) C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35403
[18:48:20] 	 Change merged: awjrichards; [mediawiki/extensions/GeoData] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35411
[18:48:25] 	 git annoys me as you have to cd into a directory to update it
[18:48:32] 	 vs svn update ~/mediawiki
[18:49:22] 	 Reedy: git commands already do too much stuff to also support that :P
[18:50:50] 	 MatmaRex: Hm, but the disadvantage of using gerrit ID's is that they make no sense outside of gerrit.
[18:53:35] 	 valhallasw: you can use `git log --grep Iabcde01" to find them
[18:53:39] 	 New patchset: Mwalker; "Add Banner Callback for CN Impression Reporting" [mediawiki/extensions/CentralNotice] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35414
[18:53:42] 	 i mean, to find commits with them
[18:56:07] 	 MatmaRex: good point, and it will also find commits that reference that commit
[18:56:29] 	 valhallasw: well, `git log --grep "Change-ID: Iabcdef01"` then
[18:56:52] 	 New patchset: Merlijn van Deen; "Bug 42481 - allow nested #lst tags" [mediawiki/extensions/LabeledSectionTransclusion] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35403
[18:57:10] 	 Hello!  I'm not sure if I should ask this question here.  I'm trying to make an offline mirror of wikipedia, and I used the mwdumber tool, but it only uploaded maybe 1/6 of the articles, if that.  
[18:57:10] 	 valhallasw: or you could just paste it into a freetext search field in any reasonable gui
[18:57:18] 	 valhallasw: i know gitk does this, not sure about others
[18:57:36] 	 MatmaRex: yeah, that makes sense.
[18:57:48] 	 MatmaRex: thanks for that note, now it makes more sense to use gerrit id's :-)
[18:57:53] 	 :)
[18:59:21] 	 New patchset: Zfilipin; "Make the site explicit in scenario setup" [qa/browsertests] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35416
[18:59:37] 	 03(mod) Install Extension:NewUserMessage on gu.wikipedia and gu.wikisource - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40872  +comment (10Dereckson)
[19:00:37] 	 New review: Zfilipin; "Do not merge into master, this does not work. Pushed to Gerrit only so" [qa/browsertests] (master); V: 0 C: -2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35416
[19:01:53] 	 Change merged: IAlex; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35185
[19:03:21] 	 hi guillom
[19:04:09] 	 Don't anyone know why my database upload failed?
[19:04:14] 	 03(mod) lst: cannot nest {{#lst}} tags for the same transcluded page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42481  (10Rob Lanphier)
[19:04:21] 	 New review: Reedy; "Aaron, are you able (have time, or whatever) to work on cleaning up these identified issues?" [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16419
[19:04:58] 	 sje46: did you get any errors?
[19:05:11] 	 sje46: are you sure you downloaded the entire dump, and that it's not corrupted?
[19:05:18] 	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Cleanup of SMW_setup.php, attempt to fix bug 42349" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35417
[19:05:31] 	 New review: Daniel Werner; "Looks pretty amazing!" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35354
[19:05:32] 	 Change merged: Daniel Werner; [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35354
[19:05:44] 	 sje46: didn't you do something stupid like disconnecting your internet, or killing the dumper? ;)
[19:05:50] 	 03(ASSIGNED) SMW_setup.php fails to use given backend - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42349  +comment (10Jeroen De Dauw)
[19:07:06] 	 03(mod) SMW_setup.php fails to use given backend - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42349  +comment (10Jeroen De Dauw)
[19:07:12] 	 MatmaRex: I didnt get any errors at all, and as far as I know, I didnt disconnect or kill it
[19:07:25] 	 it did have errors before i got the fixed version of it though
[19:07:37] 	 should i have wiped the database before I uploaded it again?
[19:08:05] 	 sje46: probably you shouldn't need to, but i never used it and i don't know anything about it, just making educated guesses
[19:08:18] 	 sje46: have you tried simply restarting it?
[19:08:53] 	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Added removereferences API module" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35389
[19:08:54] 	 sje46: or try grepping the dump for the title of the article that was the last once to make it, and look for anything funny around there, or redownload that part of the dump
[19:08:56] 	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Added setstatementrank API module" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35397
[19:09:00] 	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Updated @ingroup for repo tests" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35398
[19:09:08] 	 sje46: (i'm assuming we're talking about enwiki dump, right?)
[19:09:26] 	 MatmaRex: enwiki dump, yes, and how do i find the last article uploaded?
[19:09:39] 	 14(WFM) CSS not being loaded - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38041  +comment (10Andre Klapper)
[19:09:48] 	 sje46: uh, i have no idea. doesn't it show in recent changes?
[19:10:00] 	 sje46: or just get the one with highest revisionid or pageid
[19:10:10] 	 New patchset: IAlex; "Added missing mytalk-parenthetical entry in messages.inc and rebuilt MessagesEn.php" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35418
[19:10:25] 	 MatmaRex: recent changes is empty.  This is wikipedia without revisions
[19:11:08] 	 MatmaRex: do you mean restart apache?
[19:11:11] 	 New review: Matmarex; "That message was removed in Ib6076396." [mediawiki/core] (master) C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35418
[19:11:15] 	 New patchset: Kaldari; "Fixing some variable names and comment formatting - no functional changes" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35419
[19:11:52] 	 sje46: i was thinking about re-running the mwdumper tool
[19:12:06] 	 MatmaRex: that woudl take hours, so...
[19:12:23] 	 sje46: CPU time is cheaper than people time :P
[19:12:54] 	 Well I dont want to wait 10 hours or whatever to have the same problem again =/
[19:13:00] 	 sje46: check the database for the page with the highest page id, and grep the dump for its title
[19:13:40] 	 New patchset: Daniel Kinzler; "direct access to the repo (INCOMPLETE)" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35420
[19:14:23] 	 03(mod) Disabling desktop view is broken - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42480  +comment (10Arthur Richards)
[19:14:26] 	 MatmaRex: where, umm, is the database? >.<
[19:15:04] 	 sje46: i don't know, where is it? i mean the sql database you are using
[19:15:30] 	 Well i signed on in mysql.  I dont really know how to uhh use databases
[19:15:34] 	 sje46: your hosting should provide a tool like phpmyadmin for inspecting its contents
[19:15:40] 	 New patchset: IAlex; "Rebuild MessagesEn.php" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35418
[19:15:46] 	 sje46: or you might have to install it yourself if you're on localhost
[19:16:05] 	 sje46: or cook up some queries yourself and run them, but i can't really help here
[19:16:15] 	 sje46: i'm mostly a frontend guy
[19:17:39] 	 MatmaRex: thanks =/
[19:17:46] 	 ill try to find it, somehow.
[19:18:55] 	 sje46: good luck
[19:19:10] 	 New review: Nikerabbit; "Matmarex: which message are you talking about?" [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35418
[19:19:48] 	 New review: Matmarex; "Nikerabbit, mytalk-parenthetical, which the commit message for the first patchset mentioned." [mediawiki/core] (master) C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35418
[19:19:55] 	 Nikerabbit: ^
[19:20:08] 	 New review: IAlex; "That was about the change in messages.inc in patchset 1, I removed this in patchset 2" [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35418
[19:20:48] 	 New patchset: Wizardist; "Eliminate dummy Language instances from being created" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35383
[19:21:48] 	 oki
[19:22:10] 	 New review: Aaron Schulz; "DisplayWidth can be in units other than pixels (see the getId3 docs)." [mediawiki/extensions/TimedMediaHandler] (master); V: 0 C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/34683
[19:22:11] 	 MatmaRex: good to merge now then?
[19:22:42] 	 Nikerabbit: MatmaRex also has a few other patchsets that could use review and might be merge-ready, if you have some time to look
[19:22:43] 	 Nikerabbit: i guess
[19:23:02] 	 https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/q/owner:Matmarex+status:open,n,z
[19:23:12] 	 03(mod) Enable $wgAllowCopyUploads (upload by URL) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/20512  +comment (10Ryan Kaldari)
[19:23:18] 	 all of them have been looked at in the last 8 days :-)
[19:23:44] 	 sumanah: i'm not sure now, but some of them might have just been rebased
[19:23:49] 	 i have to do it all the time
[19:23:53] 	 Change merged: Nikerabbit; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35418
[19:24:03] 	 given all those other changes that are being merged continuously ~
[19:24:07] 	 yep
[19:24:11] 	 it's a fast-moving codebase
[19:24:14] 	 in some ways
[19:24:17] 	 and then in some places not
[19:26:32] 	 New review: Raimond Spekking; "i18n review." [mediawiki/extensions/CharRangeSpan] (master); V: 0 C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35401
[19:26:37] 	 03(FIXED) "Wikipedia" namespace replace in bawiki by "Википедия" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41167  +comment (10Dereckson)
[19:27:48] 	 yay, a new contributor -- Wizardist, a.k.a. Pavel Selitskas
[19:28:17] 	 ^_^
[19:28:54] 	 sumanah: anyone to help me to clean my dashboard https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/dashboard/93 ? ;)
[19:29:02] 	 03(FIXED) Requirements for autoconfirmeds in ruwiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41831  +comment (10Dereckson)
[19:29:08] 	 valhallasw: hey, how's it going? thanks for the LabeledSectionTransclusion fixes
[19:29:22] 	 wizardist: ah you're here! ok, a direct thanks to you then :-)
[19:29:49] 	 Nikerabbit: MatmaRex has been helping a bit in that he's been reviewing frontend code
[19:30:06] 	 New review: Nikerabbit; "Can't test this myself, but looks good and can't cause big breakage." [mediawiki/extensions/OATHAuth] (master); V: 0 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/33522
[19:30:12] 	 you've probably seen me encouraging other frontend specialists like Foxtrott to do the same
[19:30:17] 	 New review: Nikerabbit; "Can't test this myself, but looks good and can't cause big breakage." [mediawiki/extensions/OATHAuth] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/33522
[19:30:17] 	 sumanah: ok, then I'll discard my response to you :)
[19:30:17] 	 Change merged: Nikerabbit; [mediawiki/extensions/OATHAuth] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/33522
[19:30:28] 	 wizardist: oh in email? ok :-)
[19:30:30] 	 03(FIXED) Update $wgUploadNavigationUrl on en.wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42263  +comment (10Dereckson)
[19:30:51] 	 I shall reiterate here, wizardist, that I do want to know if there are any resources you need or any barriers you're facing
[19:31:52] 	 03(VERIFIED) Update $wgUploadNavigationUrl on en.wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42263  +comment (10Dereckson)
[19:32:13] 	 sumanah: Nikerabbit helped me a lot to overcome git's insolence
[19:32:32] 	 :)
[19:32:42] 	 so did Amir
[19:33:08] 	 I'm glad they helped and you have my condolences on the difficulty
[19:34:16] 	 03(FIXED) Adjust default timezones on Wikivoyage wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41992  +comment (10Dereckson)
[19:34:24] 	 well, obstacles are the best part!
[19:35:29] 	 sumanah: hey! I'm fine, thanks :-) No problem- I'm pretty excited to see the new feature being deployed this soon.
[19:35:59] 	 03(mod) Disabling desktop view is broken - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42480  +comment (10Arthur Richards)
[19:36:01] 	 Hello.
[19:36:05] 	 hiya Dereckson 
[19:36:27] 	 New patchset: Pgehres; "Do not set the secure flag or the http only flag for hide banner cookies." [mediawiki/extensions/CentralNotice] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35423
[19:36:52] 	 MaxSem: you're right to raise this issue, fr.wikivoyage doesn't seem to want Europe/Paris timezone for example
[19:36:59] 	 New review: Sumanah; "Two tiny spelling/grammar fixes requested for a code comment & the commit message." [mediawiki/extensions/UploadWizard] (master); V: 0 C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/34537
[19:37:29] 	 Dereckson, so was this change based on prior community consensus?
[19:37:43] 	 wizardist: TimedMediaHandler has some other open bugs in case you'd like to help by diving in
[19:38:12] 	 MaxSem: yes, I let a message 2 weeks ago to every wikivoyage's village pump
[19:38:41] 	 sumanah: yeah, I'll try too look into the bugs for extensions and core that I'm confident with
[19:38:53] 	 thanks wizardist -- what extensions are you familiar with?
[19:39:00] 	 MaxSem: discussion lead to a consensus on every wiki except fr.
[19:39:20] 	 (discussions)
[19:40:04] 	 sumanah: I meant "I work with as an editor". Those are ProofreadPage, WikiEditor, Gadgets, etc... (those I filed bugs for)
[19:40:17] 	 Ah, I see
[19:40:24] 	 Sorry for misunderstanding you, wizardist 
[19:40:48] 	 wizardist: you might be interested in joining https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-ambassadors 
[19:41:22] 	 valhallasw: andre__ is the person to talk with if you want to be one of the default cc people for a component in BZ
[19:41:30] 	 andre__: is that more self-service in the next version of BZ?
[19:41:55] 	 sumanah, not CC'ing yourself, but hopefully component watching. Cannot promise anything thuough
[19:42:37] 	 nod
[19:42:52] 	 sumanah: mailman says I'm already subscribed ;)
[19:42:58] 	 andre__: could you add me to the CC list for LabeledSectionTransclusion bugs?
[19:43:13] 	 wizardist: :-) great.  
[19:44:45] 	 Hello
[19:45:47] 	 valhallasw, if you tell me your bugzilla email address, sure :)
[19:46:11] 	 hi dabney, how are you?
[19:46:24] 	 I'm well, thanks sumana
[19:46:24] 	 New patchset: Henning Snater; "(bug 40956) Edit buttons for statements do interact with values now" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35407
[19:46:28] 	 andre__: valhallasw@arctus.nl
[19:46:39] 	 thanks! :-)
[19:46:39] 	 dabney: have you visited this channel before?
[19:46:44] 	 valhallasw, here you go! happy bugmail'ing!
[19:47:19] 	 sumana: I haven't, I just logged on yesterday.  This is my first time chatting.
[19:47:44] 	 Welcome to #mediawiki! this is one of the main places where Wikimedia tech folks congregate and collaborate
[19:48:32] 	 have you used IRC before?
[19:49:25] 	 Most of these folks are volunteers who are interested in MediaWiki as developers or as power users :-)  a few work with me at the Wikimedia Foundation.  And a few are also interested in the OPW internships
[19:50:05] 	 Aracele, who just left, is one; Isarra is another
[19:50:42] 	 so, dabney, I was wondering what impression you've gotten so far from the Wikimedia technical community, although I know you haven't been investigating for that long :-)
[19:51:44] * sumanah  stops so you can actually answer :-)
[19:51:56] 	 03(mod) "Wikipedia" namespace replace in bawiki by "Википедия" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41167  +comment (10haqmar)
[19:52:27] 	 sumana: It looks like a fun an vibrant place to be!  A lot of activity.  Mediawiki looks like a great resource to build off of.
[19:52:37] 	 03(mod) Error uploading file [via API] with underscore in name - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/30924  +comment (10Andre Klapper)
[19:52:52] 	 sumanah: It looks like a fun an vibrant place to be!  A lot of activity.  Mediawiki looks like a great resource to build off of.
[19:53:14] 	 New patchset: Kaldari; "Fixing some variable names and comment formatting - no functional changes" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35419
[19:53:16] 	 cool
[19:53:32] 	 dabney: there is a lot of activity for sure, and MediaWiki is a very broad and deep platform, for sure
[19:53:37] 	 New patchset: Daniel Werner; "Improved jQuery.NativeEventHandler" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35426
[19:54:08] 	 Change abandoned: Daniel Werner; "See Ia3ab2a92" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35406
[19:55:09] 	 there are blogs http://en.planet.wikimedia.org/ , IRC channels  https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC/Channels , the mailing lists https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Mailing_lists , Gerrit comments & reviews, the WMF blog http://blog.wikimedia.org/ , and all the documentation on mediawiki.org
[19:55:34] 	 Change merged: Mwalker; [mediawiki/extensions/CentralNotice] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35423
[19:55:56] 	 dabney: what other projects/communities does the Wikimedia tech community remind you of?
[19:56:57] 	 New patchset: Raimond Spekking; "[OATHAuth] Make message key optional" [translatewiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35427
[19:57:26] 	 Change merged: Raimond Spekking; [translatewiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35427
[19:57:54] 	 sumanah: the wikidata project, and the projects to make wiki's more accessible by phone look particularly interesting.  At first glance, the community reminds me of the types of code-for-good projects that I became interested in as an undergraduate at Stanford.
[19:58:00] 	 03(mod) "Wikipedia" namespace replace in bawiki by "Википедия" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41167  +comment (10Dereckson)
[20:00:39] 	 dabney: oh, like Ushaidi/Sahana?
[20:00:46] * sumanah  looks up spelling for Ushahidi
[20:00:59] 	 Ushahidi
[20:04:09] 	 Okay, what would cause a wiki's API to never return anything when I need it to return stuff in the middle of a script, but when I poke it to try to debug it always returns exactly what it's supposed to?
[20:04:19] 	 It also always fails at the same spot.
[20:04:22] 	 New patchset: Raimond Spekking; "Remove "translations" of the extension name" [mediawiki/extensions/OATHAuth] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35428
[20:04:26] 	 Is someone just messing with me or something?
[20:04:45] 	 Isarra: [[Heisenbug]] ;-)
[20:04:46] 	 Change merged: Raimond Spekking; [mediawiki/extensions/OATHAuth] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35428
[20:04:56] 	 valhallasw: AAAAAAGH yeah apparently.
[20:05:21] 	 New patchset: Kaldari; "Adding quotation marks message" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35429
[20:05:23] 	 maybe your timeouts are too short?
[20:05:27] 	 sumana: I was really inspired by Ushahidi when it began.  Particularly by the size of the impact they were able to create with just google maps and SMS.  And Wikimedia's commitment to a global community of media users and creators is pretty cool too.   
[20:05:52] 	 and with 'nothing', do you mean the API returns an empty http response, or an error message, or...?
[20:05:58] 	 sumanah: I was really inspired by Ushahidi when it began.  Particularly by the size of the impact they were able to create with just google maps and SMS.  And Wikimedia's commitment to a global community of media users and creators is pretty cool too.
[20:06:31] 	 It returns enough of the page to apparently get around the checks for if it's getting results, but doesn't actually get any content I expect.
[20:06:32] 	 btw dabney did you know that twice now your chat line has repeated? like, we saw this line twice, and also we saw a previous comment of yours twice
[20:06:50] 	 So, like, I ask for revisions. I get...  or something back.
[20:07:10] 	 New review: Kaldari; "Accidentally made this change dependent on change 35419, but there is no relation between the two." [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35429
[20:07:11] 	 Except I can't tell because whenever I try to look it works!
[20:07:26] 	 New review: Siebrand; "What's the use case for this? Do we see quotes everywhere in the code that need to be weeded out usi..." [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35429
[20:07:44] 	 I keep dropping the 'h' in your name sumanah, sorry
[20:07:59] 	 it's ok, dabney, my name is Sumana and my IRC nickname is sumanah
[20:08:07] 	 I will respond to both because both of them are right :-)
[20:08:50] 	 New review: Anomie; "Loop prevention seems to still work. Let's not hold up merging this asking for a unit test, but one ..." [mediawiki/extensions/LabeledSectionTransclusion] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35403
[20:08:50] 	 Change merged: Anomie; [mediawiki/extensions/LabeledSectionTransclusion] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35403
[20:11:17] 	 hi... i am applying for git extensions project..
[20:11:29] 	 valhallasw: Hi!
[20:11:30] 	 New patchset: Anomie; "Improve parser tests" [mediawiki/extensions/LabeledSectionTransclusion] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35431
[20:11:33] 	 dabney: so you're also applying to Fedora's OPW -- are you using Fedora these days? How is it? I haven't tried it yet
[20:11:52] 	 hi rtdwivedi - you're applying to Outreach Program for Women?
[20:12:02] 	 03(NEW) iOS app in master (3.3) missing custom user-agent - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42484 normal; Wikipedia App: Generic; (brion)
[20:12:16] 	 @sumanah : yes
[20:12:31] 	 New review: Merlijn van Deen; "There already is a unit test to check for simple transclusion loops: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/..." [mediawiki/extensions/LabeledSectionTransclusion] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35403
[20:12:37] 	 hi there Tpt  - as always, thanks for your ProofreadPage work :-)
[20:12:37] 	 hi Tpt 
[20:12:51] 	 Change abandoned: Zfilipin; "(no reason)" [qa/browsertests] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35416
[20:12:59] 	 hi sumanah!
[20:13:47] 	 Okay, so when writing a bot, what's the best way to work around any potential server or connection glitches?
[20:13:49] 	 rtdwivedi: do you mean the one labelled "Write an extension for pulling files from a git repository"?
[20:13:57] 	 valhallasw: I've reply to your email.
[20:14:00] 	 yes..
[20:14:02] 	 MatmaRex: still there?
[20:14:07] 	 Just retry a few times and if it still doesn't work, give up, or is there something better?
[20:14:13] 	 Tpt: Yep, I just saw it. Thanks.
[20:14:19] 	 I believe it's time for you to apply for ownership.
[20:14:21] 	 rtdwivedi: did you read the description on the page and see that the mentor is no longer interested in talking to applicants about that?
[20:14:31] 	 sje46: yup
[20:14:32] 	 sumanah: I am applying to more than one program, yes.  I liked Wikimedia's focus on global wiki and Fedora's commitment to free, opensource operating systems, one laptop per child is one of their derivatives.
[20:14:37] 	 rtdwivedi: you might want to choose a different idea, or come up with an idea, or look at one of the other mentoring organizations
[20:15:06] 	 Isarra: yes AFAIK. just make sure not to try forever.
[20:15:24] 	 MatmaRex: What's the worst that could happen if it did try forever?
[20:15:42] 	 Tpt: I'll do that later tonight. First I have to finish some completely different stuff :-)
[20:16:04] 	 Isarra: well, let's say your bot is saving a huge page with lots of stuff on it that takes ages to parse. it is possible that the edit will be saved, but the API call will returns a "%00 internal error" response.
[20:16:19] 	 valhallasw: Good! Thanks!
[20:16:20] 	 Isarra: if you keep trying to save, you'll... well, keep saving it
[20:16:23] 	 Bahahahah.
[20:16:26] 	 @sumanah : yes i read that..
[20:16:28] 	 MatmaRex: I installed phpmyadmin and im a bit confused by all of it, but I think i managed to find the last added page.  http://i.imgur.com/f9GGC.png
[20:16:38] 	 Isarra: which is going to suck if you include something like "~~~~" in the content, creating a new version each time
[20:16:55] 	 Duuuude, that could be hilarious.
[20:17:04] 	 I mean, bad.
[20:17:05] 	 Yes.
[20:17:06] 	 MatmaRex: shouldn't the edit token prevent that?
[20:17:06] 	 Isarra: happened to me :P thanksfully i noticed after just a couple of changes, as my code was regenerating the content before trying to resave, and it took about an hour each time
[20:17:07] 	 Very bad.
[20:17:15] 	 >.<
[20:17:17] 	 valhallasw: well, yes, unless you re-request it
[20:17:17] 	 ah, right
[20:17:28] 	 Bots are brilliant like that!
[20:17:37] 	 but i had already talked to him around a week ago and i was discussing the timeline with him as we are required to discuss it with our mentor (as per guidelines for application)
[20:17:54] 	 Isarra: in general, it might be an idea to use an existing framework that handles all this stuff for you
[20:18:08] 	 My existing framework is kind of... not very good.
[20:18:18] 	 pywikipediabot/perlwikipediabot/etc. There is a list somewhere
[20:18:35] 	 rtdwivedi: oh! I see. I had presumed that you were completely new to the application process because you entered the channel and just said in general that you were interested in that project, and did not continue an existing conversation with the mentor.
[20:18:38] 	 sje46: ugh, these titles do not look good. i don't know the database layout, are these the real titles?
[20:18:42] 	 I'm using php.
[20:18:44] 	 sje46: might be just references to something else
[20:18:44] 	 !schema
[20:18:44] 	 http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Database_layout
[20:18:59] 	 Went through the list on enwp and ruled out most of them for just plain not doing what I wanted.
[20:19:01] 	 MatmaRex: the last one is hex for elephant.
[20:19:12] 	 Ruled out some others for apparently not existing, and others for being confusing.
[20:19:23] 	 valhallasw: that's one of my problems, i wrote my own ;)
[20:19:26] 	 (the second half of this OK Go album is not nearly as good as the first)
[20:19:29] 	 Wound up with a MediaWikiBot.
[20:19:30] 	 (although it's mostly mature by now)
[20:19:54] 	 http://xkcd.com/927/ ;-)
[20:20:03] 	 @sumanah : my exams are going on these days, so i was busy with studies and could not join here regularly.. i am in 2nd year of college :)
[20:20:18] 	 sje46: ah, that's nice. you should now try looking in the database dumps for it, and see if the XML around it looks correct
[20:20:23] 	 Oh, good point, exams... why am I not doing my exams?
[20:20:27] 	 sje46: or just restart mwdumper from this point, if it supports it
[20:20:30] 	 (i never used it)
[20:20:47] 	 valhallasw: what can i say, the only lib I found for Ruby sucked :)
[20:21:03] 	 New patchset: Daniel Werner; "(bug 40956) Edit buttons for statements do interact with values now" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35432
[20:22:02] 	 MatmaRex: how do i look in the database dumps forit?
[20:22:24] 	 Change abandoned: Daniel Werner; "I6a778e92" [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35407
[20:23:03] 	 sje46: i've never downloaded enwiki's dumps
[20:23:12] 	 sje46: have you unpacked them already?
[20:23:22] 	 Not supposed to unpack them
[20:23:30] 	 It takes hours upon hours
[20:23:36] 	 yeah, i know
[20:23:37] 	 i did unpack some of it though, before i knew better
[20:23:41] 	 rtdwivedi: so, how is your microtask going?
[20:23:52] 	 dabney: have you tried using Fedora? how is it?
[20:24:00] 	 sje46: if you're on linux, you could do it in command line
[20:24:29] 	 i was asked to prepare a db schema for the extension. I have already completed it..
[20:24:34] 	 sje46: if you're on windows, i can only suggest unpacking, getting a text editor that won't choke on files this large, and then opening them and using the Find... function
[20:24:55] 	 (Notepad++ or Notepad2 both should do the trick)
[20:25:11] 	 New review: Demon; "I haven't actually looked into the logic yet, but at a very high-level this needs a lot of work to b..." [mediawiki/extensions] (master); V: 0 C: -2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/34689
[20:25:25] 	 rtdwivedi: oh, you should link to it at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Outreach_Program_for_Women#Candidates
[20:25:32] 	 sumanah: it's cool.  FOSS operating systems are always impressive to me.
[20:25:45] 	 MatmaRex: I'm on linux, using grep
[20:25:59] 	 dabney: it is pretty amazing, isn't it :)  Have you tried any other distributions of Linux, or any other FOSS OSes?
[20:26:06] 	 Did that as well :)
[20:26:24] 	 MatmaRex: what would you suggest for linux?
[20:26:41] 	 sje46: you could run bunzip (or whatever, depends on how these are packed) and pipe it to grep with some options to show you the location?
[20:26:42] 	 rtdwivedi: oh? where? I don't see it
[20:26:59] 	 the last entry
[20:27:09] 	 Aarti Kumari Dwivedi
[20:27:19] 	 sje46: i don't know the tools well enough to give you the precise commands
[20:27:45] 	 Change merged: Tpt; [mediawiki/extensions/LabeledSectionTransclusion] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35431
[20:27:51] 	 rtdwivedi: but where is the link to the schema you created?
[20:28:05] 	 sje46: enwiki dumps are split into multiple fixes, each of which unpack to a self-contained XML file, right?
[20:28:05] 	 sumanah: not really, no.  I usually stick with software, I seldom venture into the wild realm of entire operating systems.
[20:28:20] 	 sje46: (i never downloaded any of them, only for other wikis, which have just one archive with one xml file)
[20:28:33] 	 dabney: well, you've tried Fedora and I haven't so that puts you 1 up on me :-)
[20:28:33] 	 New review: Raimond Spekking; "New message needs to be added to /maintenance/language/messages.inc and /maintenance/language/messag..." [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35429
[20:28:35] 	 i havent added that..
[20:28:43] 	 MatmaRex: one huge ass xml file.  Yep.
[20:28:47] 	 i will add it..
[20:28:49] 	 that's what I meant when I said you should link to it there, rtdwivedi :-)
[20:28:56] 	 sje46: as in, one for the entire wiki? or one per archive?
[20:29:03] 	 that way it's easier for other people to look at your work & give you suggestions
[20:29:20] 	 I only downloaded one file, MatmaRex.  They dont unpack to one xml file. It's just one xml file.
[20:29:45] 	 sje46: what are you searching for?
[20:29:47] 	 dabney: so, https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Join_a_Wikimedia_Hackathon_-_Draft.ogv  - you should update the description to link to the music
[20:31:13] 	 dabney: also, let me give you some background on the various Wikimedia projects, because Wikipedia & Commons are not the whole of it :-)
[20:31:52] 	 dabney: ah, the bz2 one? well, that's gotta be a huge-ass file.
[20:31:58] 	 argh, sorry
[20:32:00] 	 sje46: ^
[20:32:20] 	 dabney: as you see at https://www.wikimedia.org/ there are lots of Wikimedia projects, including Wiktionary, Wikibooks, Wikisource, MediaWiki, Incubator, and so on.  They have different purposes and they're all united by commitment to the Wikimedia mission
[20:32:26] 	 sje46: some context for what you're trying to do?
[20:32:41] 	 sje46: you should probably find someone more knowledgeable in this area than me
[20:32:46] 	 MatmaRex: its 8.8 packed but much larger unpacked.
[20:32:55] 	 ori-l: he's trying to find how why mwdumper didn't import all pages from a dump
[20:33:01] 	 ori-l: and possibly get it to import them
[20:33:07] 	 ori-l: I downloaded the wikipedia dump and am using the mwdumper tool, but it only imported around 11,000 files
[20:33:09] 	 dabney: you used the Commons logo at the end of the video you made, which would be fine if the point of the video were to encourage people to upload/use Wikimedia Commons :-)  but since it's more about general Wikimedia technology, you should probably use the Wikimedia movement-wide logo
[20:33:15] 	 11,000 articles*
[20:33:20] 	 (or shall i say they, as i don't know the gender, and sumanah will slap me for assuming) ;)
[20:33:34] 	 I'm a dude-bro.
[20:33:43] 	 MatmaRex: s/slap/gently remind/
[20:33:51] 	 ;)
[20:33:59] 	 MatmaRex: i should mention something, since i found out it only did 11,000 just now
[20:34:09] 	 dabney: does that make sense?
[20:34:23] 	 Before while using the mwdump tool, it would only get to 11,000 before it broke on some syntax, and i had to use a fix.
[20:34:46] 	 Then i reran it and it went all the way to the end, but the database ap-parently didnt change at all
[20:34:53] 	 dabney: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:High-resolution_official_Wikimedia_logos is your source for good logos.  (Although when I pluralize "logo" as "logos" I feel like I am in a philosophy class.)
[20:35:00] 	 logoes?
[20:35:13] 	 It's logos.
[20:35:57] * sumanah  may just say "symbols" to avoid feeling all ancient-Greek
[20:36:07] 	 https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikimedia_Foundation_RGB_logo_with_text.svg , https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikimedia_logo_text_RGB.svg , and https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikimedia-logo.svg would work
[20:36:50] 	 sumanah: it does.  I picked the commons logo just because it seemed appropriate for inviting people to join a common area, a common movement.  But it sounds like you want a logo that is specific to Wikimedia tech events.
[20:37:11] 	 MatmaRex: I think its because I already had articles in there, so now it cant rewrite over them.
[20:37:12] 	 Totally understandable reasoning. :-)
[20:37:43] 	 We have the Wikimedia-wide logo and we have the MediaWiki logo, which might be more suitable.
[20:38:36] 	 I'm fond of https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Mediawiki_logo_reworked_2.svg - there is also https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:MediaWiki-notext.svg   and other versions in https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:MediaWiki_logos
[20:39:26] <^demon>	 I wanted to have a logo contest.
[20:39:30] <^demon>	 Never got around to organizing it
[20:39:35] 	 New patchset: Wizardist; "(Bug 38280) Push messages for gadgets through ResourceLoader" [mediawiki/extensions/Gadgets] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35436
[20:39:39] 	 rtdwivedi: Hey, good to see you made it in! Welcome to the channel :)
[20:40:16] 	 ^demon: you mean to make new symbols entirely, or just good versions of the existing logo?
[20:40:22] 	 hi.. :)
[20:40:59] <^demon>	 sumanah: The latter. I think the svg version is kind of what I was getting at, but needs more work.
[20:41:06] 	 so, dabney, can you revise the description and change the logo at the end? 
[20:41:11] <^demon>	 Especially since we slapped the svg version on the buttons ;-)
[20:41:20] 	 sumanah: I will
[20:41:26] 	 no problem
[20:41:28] 	 Also if you want to fire up Inkscape and make a better version of the MediaWiki logo, dabney, evidently ^demon will be a happier man :)
[20:41:34] 	 New review: Krinkle; "Why as a separate request?" [mediawiki/extensions/Gadgets] (master); V: 0 C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35436
[20:41:46] <^demon>	 sumanah: Has to be a contest. It's how we always do logo changes :)
[20:42:06] 	 dabney: ok, that's great. Now, about the idea of the interview videos.  Have you done a bit of journalism? I think you have, maybe I'm misremembering
[20:42:50] 	 sumanah: I've conducted interviews before.  Most recently in AmeriCorps.
[20:43:23] 	 Ah yes.  Were any of those on video?  Maybe you already linked to them in your application email and I missed it?
[20:43:38] 	 New patchset: VitaliyFilippov; "Give permission hooks a chance to override deny permissions." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/32566
[20:44:14] <^demon>	 saper: I've got master + my patch running on labs now. Not totally working :\
[20:46:39] 	 where do i push the db schema so that it could be linked in the table?
[20:46:44] 	 sumanah: they weren't, I don't have any video-taped interviews to share, unfortunately.
[20:46:49] 	 oh, and dabney, do you ever edit Wikipedia? what username?
[20:46:56] 	 New patchset: Trevor Parscal; "Only apply HTML attributes to DOM nodes that are "safe"" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/33743
[20:47:09] 	 dabney: it's ok not to share the username if you consider your edits private
[20:48:02] 	 sumanah: I don't.  I think I signed up for one at one point but I never got into editing.  I'm more interested in creating visuals.
[20:48:20] 	 dabney: nod, nod.
[20:48:39] 	 is there someone who can help me with the use of the deleteJoin function (http://svn.wikimedia.org/doc/DatabaseMysql_8php_source.html#l00812) ?
[20:49:10] 	 dabney: you might be interested in joining the task force that aims to add illustrations to Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Images_and_Media/Illustration_taskforce
[20:49:29] 	 marktraceur : i think i haven't been added in the project to push the schema..
[20:49:29] 	 I'd like to do something like "DELETE math FROM ( `math` LEFT OUTER JOIN `mathindex` ON ( ( `mathindex`.`mathindex_inputhash` = `math`.`math_inputhash` ) ) ) WHERE mathindex_inputhash IS NULL"  with this function
[20:51:07] 	 Should be fairly easy
[20:51:11] 	 dabney: also, could you link to any of your code that you've written?  
[20:51:32] 	 rtdwivedi: There isn't currently a repository at all. If we decide to go with that project for the internship, we'll create the repositories and test servers just before the internship starts.
[20:51:39] 	 sumanah: the illustration task force is really interesting
[20:51:44] 	 IT TOTALLY IS
[20:51:50] 	 I am glad you think so too dabney :-)
[20:52:24] 	 plop
[20:52:57] 	 dabney: the feature interviews with developers would be about technical stuff -- they would sort of be a form of documentation, so that newer developers can understand the design rationale behind various parts of the Wikimedia technical ecology.
[20:53:20] 	 03(mod) Install Extension:NewUserMessage on gu.wikipedia and gu.wikisource - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40872  +comment (10Dhaval)
[20:53:26] 	 and so, sometime in the next couple of weeks, it would probably make sense to set up a small experimental interview, to see whether this can work
[20:53:32] 	 sumanah: Ooh, that sounds awesome.
[20:53:43] 	 marktraceur: yes! seriously!
[20:53:50] 	 sumanah: OK, cool.
[20:54:17] 	 Reedy: was this a comment to my problem?
[20:54:31] 	 marktraceur : so where do i push the schema to link it in the table?
[20:56:14] 	 rtdwivedi: Oh, I see. You could put it in a wiki page for now, maybe in your user subpages....something like https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Rtdwivedi/FOSSOPW/Schema_draft
[20:56:36] 	 ok, dabney, I'll figure out a person for you to interview and a tiny topic, so we can test the concept and see whether it works.  Have you ever done videoconferencing, and have you ever recorded your own desktop for a screencast?
[20:56:50] 	 rtdwivedi: Be sure to explain what it is, and put the actual code in a  block, then we can get nice syntax highlighting for it :)
[20:57:16] 	 ok.. thanks :)
[20:57:28] 	 sumanah: Does that sound right to you? I'm helping rtdwivedi do an intro task for a new extension, and am having her put the progress on a wiki page for now
[20:58:17] 	 physikerwelt: Actually, it's impossible with how the code is currently
[20:58:17] 	  $sql = "DELETE $delTable FROM $delTable, $joinTable WHERE $delVar=$joinVar ";
[20:58:25] 	 you can't make that = into an IS
[20:59:08] 	 marktraceur: seems like as good an idea as any, unless you want to have her put it into Gerrit right now, maybe as something to immediately abandon, in a training/test/example-type repo
[20:59:30] 	 sumanah: Meh, that seems nasty. Wiki page less so. Thanks.
[20:59:45] 	 marktraceur: yeah. those are the 2 main options I can think of
[20:59:54] 	 !schema | rtdwivedi 
[20:59:54] 	  rtdwivedi : http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Database_layout
[21:00:25] 	 ok... than I have to do it tuple by tuple... that will take a while but thats not such a big problem because that is a maitenance job
[21:00:45] 	 Why?
[21:01:07] 	 You can just use the query function and pass in raw sql
[21:01:11] 	 Not the nicest, but it'll work
[21:01:48] 	 (oh, Harry Burt is reallllly busy so https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/Newsroom is behind & there's no tech report yet, sad)
[21:01:55] 	 sumanah: I think google hangouts might be the easiest
[21:01:56] 	 ok I have to keep that in mind
[21:02:17] 	 thanks.. 
[21:02:21] 	 dabney: we use G+ Hangouts a lot here -- in fact there will be one on Thursday that you should probably attend https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Meetings/2012-11-29
[21:02:33] 	 thanks
[21:04:10] 	 Meh. Sad to see a free software project mentioning Google+ in its orientation. /me continues to be a cranky old person about it
[21:04:52] 	 Do we have any alternatives?
[21:04:53] 	 Skype!
[21:05:24] 	 it is sad; if there were a high-quality FLOSS alternative I'd prefer it
[21:05:32] 	 is multiuser video/voice over Jabber functional yet?
[21:05:44] 	 http://www.bigbluebutton.org/ is the best I can offer, but it's not great
[21:06:04] 	 At least the coordinating software is all free, even if it requires you to use a nasty format (Flash) on the frontend
[21:06:11] 	 I haven't tried 'er with Gnash yet.
[21:06:34] 	 dabney: have you done videoconferencing on G+ hangout before?
[21:06:41] 	 and have you recorded your desktop for a screencast before?
[21:06:43] 	 ^demon: what's the problem?
[21:07:11] <^demon>	 Not entirely sure yet--at a high level I can't add an external group to an internal group still.
[21:07:19] 	 sumanah: It's pretty easy, automatically posts the recording on youtube
[21:07:30] <^demon>	 Giving me "Group ldap/foo does not exist or is not visible to you"
[21:07:37] 	 dabney: yeah, but what if you want to be able to upload it to Wikimedia Commons?
[21:07:47] 	 That's pretty important to us.
[21:07:52] 	 Or we try to anyway!
[21:08:00] 	 And in an OGG format, mind ye
[21:08:49] 	 She has indeed made at least one .ogv file already, marktraceur - check out her microtask, which is nice-looking https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Join_a_Wikimedia_Hackathon_-_Draft.ogv
[21:09:30] 	 +2
[21:09:41] 	 sumanah: you can download your own videos from youtube in MP4 format and then convert to ogv with firefogg
[21:09:49] 	 dabney: do you know what "+2" means in Wikimedia tech jargon yet? :-)
[21:10:00] 	 ah, that's how you do it? ok
[21:10:28] 	 me too?
[21:10:42] 	 Also, LGTM. sumanah, is that going anywhere in particular?
[21:10:53] 	 "+1" is "me too" -- marktraceur what did you mean by "+2" in that context?
[21:11:38] 	 also I'm curious what software you use to screencast your desktop, if you're in a situation where you're not videoconferencing, or where you want to cut together video from an interview after a little editing.  Like, https://live.gnome.org/GnomeMarketing/Gnome3In30Seconds/HOWTO has a HOWTO from about 18 months ago but you might have other ideas
[21:12:04] 	 sumanah: It's basically like +1, but with the added weight that you're also suggesting that the solution is amazing and should be merged at earliest opportunity.
[21:13:00] 	 marktraceur: she's adding an improved logo at the end and then I think dabney  should embed it in https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki_developer_meetings
[21:13:20] 	 Coolio.
[21:13:21] 	 sumanah: I use imovie or final cut express, depending on how complex it is
[21:13:23] 	 also dabney you can link to the Jamendo album or track directly  in the file description and that would probably be good form
[21:14:05] 	 will do
[21:14:06] 	 Also, isn't Jamendo great?
[21:14:51] 	 I particularly enjoy http://www.jamendo.com/en/artist/360290/el-ultimo-skalon and 
[21:15:05] * marktraceur  is roughly 80% happy with today's #mediawiki chatter, thank you all.
[21:15:19] <^demon>	 marktraceur: What do we need to do to bring it up to 82%?
[21:15:31] 	 ^demon: I think you just did! :)
[21:15:41] 	 and http://www.jamendo.com/en/list/a99585/le-retour
[21:15:51] * marktraceur  is addicted to http://www.jamendo.com/en/artist/344842/sean-fournier
[21:17:45] 	 dabney: ah, not sure we got around to covering this -- can you give a link (like, on your mediawiki.org user page) to code you've written? that'll help for checking that you have enough technical skills to do these interviews
[21:18:08] 	 other than that I think we're set -- you have a TODO or 2 and so do I
[21:18:54] 	 sumana: Awesome.  Looking forward to Gnome announcing the placements.
[21:19:21] 	 dabney: right -- and before that, looking forward to the test interview & video :-)
[21:19:50] 	 did the linking..
[21:22:40] 	 rtdwivedi: I fixed up the formatting a bit: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Rtdwivedi/FOSSOPW/Schema_draft
[21:24:23] 	 marktraceur: sorry i forgot to include 
[21:25:42] 	 03(mod) High-density display issues (tracking) xhdpi hdpi Retina high-resolution HiDPI - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/32101  +comment (10Pau Giner)
[21:26:01] 	 rtdwivedi: No problem, it's not an obvious thing :)
[21:27:46] 	 i had read about it but it slipped out of my mind
[21:28:03] 	 see you later.. have a good day :)
[21:28:05] <^demon>	 saper: I'm tired of looking at this patchset. I'm going in circles :(
[21:32:33] 	 for mediawiki's page on mwdumper, it says "If you don't need it, disable the binary log (log-bin option) during the import."...what log-bin option is it talking about?
[21:36:55] 	 andre__, it was not my comment but I can access the  link now. Thank you!
[21:36:57] 	 sje46: Maybe --log-bin or so?
[21:37:26] 	 Dereckson: did you know that Antoine is giving a talk in a couple days in France, in Nantes? http://afup.org/pages/phptournantes2012/sessions.php#798
[21:38:41] 	 03(FIXED) VisualEditor: First character in empty document behaves strangely in Firefox - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42277  (10James Forrester)
[21:38:44] 	 03(FIXED) VisualEditor: Edits should add a VisualEditor tag (using MW's revision tagging system) so they can be identified - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42172  (10James Forrester)
[21:40:01] 	 marktraceur: I think its a mysql option.l  Nevermind :P
[21:40:13] 	 sje46: OK!
[21:45:27] 	 03(ASSIGNED) Editing a value in a statement (5) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40953  +comment (10Daniel Werner)
[21:58:11] 	 Is https://svn.wikimedia.org/doc/ still the autodocs? it says "Generated on Tue Nov 27 2012 00:02:25 for MediaWiki" but it's on svn so maybe it's pulling from svn instead of git
[21:59:16] 	 sumanah: No, I didn't.
[21:59:28] 	 "[July 22nd 2008]" oooh :/ https://svn.wikimedia.org/doc/docs_2README_source.html
[22:00:08] 	 It is pulling from git
[22:00:21] 	 just no one has really decided where we should move it to
[22:01:20] <^demon>	 We said jenkins should probably do the docs as a job, but we never got around to setting up a new vhost for it.
[22:01:23] 	 after the gitblit move I guess we should move it to a git-related domain?
[22:01:39] <^demon>	 It should be vcs-agnostic. We were thinking doc.mw.o
[22:02:12] <^demon>	 (And it can be done any time before or after gitblit--doesn't depend on it)
[22:03:49] 	 hi, i'm trying to update my mediawiki to the latest version, from 1.16, and am having some difficulties
[22:04:05] 	 currently faced with these errors: http://www.pilkipedia.co.uk/wiki/mw-config/
[22:04:17] 	 which i don't know how to solve hah
[22:05:26] <^demon>	 gtpod: The warning is just a warning and can be ignored. The fatal makes it sound like you didn't actually get all of the new files.
[22:05:35] <^demon>	 (Like you did an incomplete copy or something)
[22:06:12] 	 i didn't overwrite files for /includes/ yeah, i read somewhere that i should preserve it
[22:06:15] 	 i guess that's wrong?
[22:06:24] <^demon>	 No, you should overwrite everything.
[22:06:46] 	 03(NEW) MobileFrontend beta dynamic post-search loading fails to initialize sections if previous page had no sections - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42485 normal; MediaWiki extensions: MobileFrontend (Beta); (brion)
[22:06:52] 	 oh wow okay, i'll give that a go, thanks
[22:07:16] 	 gtpod: of course except for your LocalSettings file
[22:07:36] 	 gtpod: and extensions (although they might need upgrading separately)
[22:08:44] 	 03(mod) VisualEditor: Pass reference to data element to DM node constructor - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42400  +comment (10Roan Kattouw)
[22:08:54] 	 03(mod) VisualEditor: Annotation of inline nodes fails - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42340  +comment (10Roan Kattouw)
[22:10:10] 	 03(mod) MobileFrontend beta dynamic post-search loading fails to initialize sections if previous page had no sections - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42485  +comment (10Brion Vibber)
[22:13:02] 	 03(mod) VisualEditor: Don't offer Edit button when user cannot edit page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42142  +comment (10Krinkle)
[22:16:35] 	 03(FIXED) VisualEditor: Various actions that trigger retrieval of offsets throw uncaught exceptions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40463  +comment (10Trevor Parscal)
[22:17:35] 	 After importImages.php, every image is blank in Special:ListFiles; only visible after hitting refresh per image. How to mass refresh all images?
[22:19:59] 	 03(mod) VisualEditor: Handle edit conflicts - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37828  (10James Forrester)
[22:20:13] 	 03(mod) VisualEditor: Un-listing when the caret is at the end of the document throws an error - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40339  (10James Forrester)
[22:20:29] 	 14(DUP) VisualEditor: Spinner keeps spinning after save fail - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42125  +comment (10Roan Kattouw)
[22:20:30] 	 03(mod) VisualEditor: When "Error saving data to server: Unsuccessful request: error." the spinner for saving doesn't go away - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37837  +comment (10Roan Kattouw)
[22:20:46] 	 03(mod) VisualEditor: When "Error saving data to server: Unsuccessful request: error." the spinner for saving doesn't go away - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37837  (10James Forrester)
[22:20:59] 	 hi! i made it through the update errors, and now i'm faced with this http://www.pilkipedia.co.uk/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page
[22:22:20] 	 my apologies, fixed it!
[22:27:41] 	 03(FIXED) Find common range box doesn't work with IPs starting with octet 2. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42018  (10Aaron Schulz)
[22:28:31] 	 14(WFM) thumb.php on Wikimedia Commons is serving broken images (thumbnail generation fails) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42047  +comment (10Aaron Schulz)
[22:34:06] 	 sorry, i'm now faced with this error http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/6223/screenshot20121127at223.png
[22:34:20] 	 when i tried to submit an edit to a file
[22:34:52] 	 gtpod: Looks like you need to update your extensions too
[22:36:11] 	 oh okay, fantastic, thanks
[22:43:33] 	 thanks for all the help guys, much appreciated
[22:45:47] 	 How to mass refresh all/a large set of images? Because after importImages.php, every image is blank in Special:ListFiles; only visible after hitting refresh per image. 
[22:47:30] 	 (and in this case, refresh means &action=purge)
[22:47:36] 	 03(mod) JobQueue not working: no jobs run except for high-priority ones like enotif - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41656  +comment (10Nemo)
[22:48:11] 	 03(FIXED) VisualEditor: Pass reference to data element to DM node constructor - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42400  (10James Forrester)
[22:48:24] 	 03(FIXED) VisualEditor: Annotation of inline nodes fails - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42340  (10James Forrester)
[22:49:37] 	 03(NEW) In Beta on the mobile website, searching for a phrase and adding it to the watchlist adds previous page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42486 normal; MediaWiki extensions: MobileFrontend (Beta); (mgrover)
[22:50:36] 	 Hey again all
[22:51:01] 	 03(mod) "http-curl-error" when uploading from Flickr - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42468  +comment (10Sumana Harihareswara)
[22:51:16] 	 I see the Extension:WikiArticleFeeds page still points at an svn repo. Is that information up to date, or have they moved to Git? 
[22:51:19] 	 03(FIXED) VisualEditor: Selective serialisation has landed in Parsoid, now VE needs to handle that - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42403  (10James Forrester)
[22:51:31] 	 03(mod) Search index for Wikivoyage wikis needs to be generated - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41959  +comment (10Erik Moeller)
[22:51:40] * marktraceur  finds that hard to believe, James_F.
[22:52:14] 	 03(mod) Search index for Wikivoyage wikis needs to be generated - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41959  +comment (10Erik Moeller)
[22:52:18] 	 Oh, OK, that's right. Fair enough.
[22:53:33] 	 03(mod) "http-curl-error" when uploading from Flickr - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42468  +comment (10Sumana Harihareswara)
[22:53:34] 	 03(mod) Next wmf deployment (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38865  (10Sumana Harihareswara)
[22:56:04] 	 !e RSS
[22:56:04] 	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:RSS
[23:07:18] 	 03(mod) Change the float of #p-personal list items to follow directionality of the page in Vector skin - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42366  +comment (10Huji)
[23:07:36] 	 hi dneary 
[23:07:41] 	 sorry for the wait!
[23:07:55] 	 a few extensions are still in Subversion - generally the ones that aren't maintained
[23:17:27] 	 Isarra: hey, got a moment?
[23:25:03] 	 sumanah: Sort of, why?
[23:26:29] 	 03(mod) "http-curl-error" when uploading from Flickr - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42468  +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[23:26:35] 	 Isarra: was wondering if you'd had a chance to talk to David yet
[23:26:41] 	 dsc or dschoon on IRC often
[23:26:51] * sumanah  is in a meeting, just wanted you to have a chance to talk with him
[23:27:48] 	 Nopes. Does he generally hang out anywhere?
[23:30:07] 	 #wikimedia-analytics
[23:30:11] 	 ok, I need a bit of help
[23:30:47] 	 I'm looking at the Special:Version specialpage, includes/specials/SpecialVersion.php , to see where there might be a quick win to change a "subversion" mention into "git"
[23:31:11] 	 https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=38714 mentions several of them 
[23:32:43] 	 What about it?
[23:33:36] 	 sumanah: The language itself is in i18n messages, which live in languages/messages/MessagesEn.php
[23:33:55] 	 sumanah, Thanks! Last release was in March, so it holds water
[23:34:17] 	 Oh, hmm, you were talking about mentions of "subversion" in the /code/, nm
[23:34:24] 	 yeah, that's what I meant RoanKattouw_away 
[23:34:54] 	 do we care about the function getSvnInfo ?
[23:35:04] 	 I think it was left for a reason
[23:35:10] 	 argh we do
[23:35:11] 	 For people like wikia who are still using svn
[23:35:29] * sumanah  looks for some other place that might need updating 
[23:35:31] 	 it shouldn't cause much effort to be kept around
[23:35:36] 	 yeah
[23:35:42] 	 Whoo.
[23:35:50] 	 Most of the phase3 mentions can likely be shot
[23:36:56] 	 includes/Init.php:84:                   return "phase3/$file";
[23:36:58] 	 that kind of thing?
[23:37:21] 	 ok, I'd like to take on a few of these as demonstrations
[23:37:32] 	 as I demo "here's how you fix a bug" during the tech chat on Thursday
[23:37:42] 	 In cases like that, they've been added for HipHop (IIRC)
[23:37:48] 	 so the correct fix is to swap it for core
[23:38:36] 	 03(mod) VisualEditor: Un-listing when the caret is at the end of the document throws an error - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40339  +comment (10James Forrester)
[23:40:29] 	 03(mod) Mobile redirect strips https - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35215  (10Max Semenik)
[23:43:15] 	 robla: I was wrong, that Flickr upload issue isn't a blocker for the Commons deployment tomorrow, sorry for the false alarm https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=42468
[23:43:32] 	 hi there, i'm trying to set up APC on my mediawiki, but it's giving me the following error: CACHE_ACCEL requested but no suitable object cache is present. You may want to install APC. 
[23:43:37] 	 APC is however installed
[23:43:37] 	 03(mod) thumb.php on Wikimedia Commons is serving broken images (thumbnail generation fails) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42047  +comment (10Faidon Liambotis)
[23:44:02] 	 03(mod) VisualEditor: Save dialog "minor edit" line should not appear when the user cannot set minor edits (not logged in) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40774  minor->trivial (10James Forrester)
[23:44:02] 	 gtpod: module loaded into correct php version? webserver restarted afterwards?
[23:44:16] 	 03(mod) VisualEditor: Save dialog "minor edit" line should not appear when the user cannot set minor edits (not logged in) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40774  (10James Forrester)
[23:45:20] 	 i installed it through a WHM php pecl module manager, so i assume the version is correct?
[23:45:26] 	 i also have rebooted yeah
[23:45:27] 	 sumanah: oh, ok (just read the bug).  
[23:47:20] 	 03(mod) "http-curl-error" when uploading from Flickr - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42468  +comment (10Sumana Harihareswara)
[23:47:22] 	 03(mod) Next wmf deployment (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38865  (10Sumana Harihareswara)
[23:50:56] 	 huh, Gerrit web interface seems a mite slow
[23:51:04] 	 Yeah
[23:51:14] 	 Seems we might have some search engines indexing it
[23:53:09] 	 RoanKattouw_away: Reedy: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35582 will be the product of Sam's suggestion once the site comes back up :) and in case you want to review it
[23:53:24] * sumanah  will be back in a bit
[23:54:14] 	 we don't have gerrit behind any form of cache, do we?
[23:55:19] 	 nope, AFAIK
[23:55:22] 	 robla: It's behind a webserver proxy (I thought it was nginx, Ryan said it was Apache)
[23:55:35] 	 I suggested the offending UAs be blocked there
[23:55:40] 	 I just did
[23:55:43] 	 I blocked bingbot
[23:55:44] 	 Excellent
[23:55:49] 	 and I'm restarting gerrit
[23:55:53] 	 fucking bing
[23:56:28] 	 Yay
[23:56:32] 	 Looks like it's up
[23:57:27] * marktraceur  imagines the next Bing commercial
[23:57:36] 	 "Say you're a new MediaWiki developer...."
[23:58:30] 	 "...and your code review tool suddenly gets really, really slow..."
[23:59:14] 	 Actually, are we sure we want to stop search engines from indexing Gerrit? They might be more useful than the Gerrit search....
[23:59:38] 	 When they're effectively DDoS'ing it...
[23:59:58] 	 Reedy: Well, yeah, but after that part.