[00:00:09] <Reedy>	 We need to rage at MS first
[00:04:29] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Redirect pages should render all text - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/14323  +comment (10Paine Ellsworth)
[00:07:21] <gtpod>	 i've run pecl install apc, but it won't show up in my phpinfo as installed
[00:09:08] <RoanKattouw_away>	 gtpod: You may need to restart the web sever
[00:09:29] <gtpod>	 just apache?
[00:10:35] <gtpod>	 i've restarted both apache and my whole server, to no avail
[00:12:07] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Redirect pages should render all text - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/14323  +comment (10Brad Jorsch)
[00:12:58] <Amgine>	 Reedy: is there a throttling command for bing?
[00:15:08] <mutante>	     Create account
[00:15:08] <mutante>	     Log in
[00:15:12] <mutante>	 oops, sorry
[00:16:14] <mutante>	 missing (English) message value:  &lt;nstab-manual&gt;  on http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Thread:Manual_talk:FAQ/PDF_import
[00:16:17] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Bot edits don't trigger email notifications - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38874  (10bsitu)
[00:18:16] <r4ph431>	 hi. I just get caught by Database::newFromParams() removal. any hint about where should I look for a replacement ?
[00:22:21] <r4ph431>	 ok, found it: r81244, DatabaseBase::newFromType
[00:24:04] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) "http-curl-error" when uploading from Flickr - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42468  +comment (10Ryan Kaldari)
[00:29:58] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) in 1.21wmf3, "search and replace" for IE does not correctly replace words but changes others - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42073  +comment (10kipod)
[00:30:36] <r4ph431>	 happens that DatabaseBase::newFromType is "deprecated" too, but can't find it defined in the 1.20 git codebase ... no way to enable "deprecated" function ? are they simply "removed" ?
[00:32:36] <marktraceur>	 r4ph431: No scare quotes about it, if something has been deprecated a while, it gets removed eventually
[00:33:07] <marktraceur>	 r4ph431: What are you trying to do exactly?
[00:33:56] <Reedy>	 r4ph431: DatabaseBase::factory()
[00:34:14] <Reedy>	 has been in core since 1.18
[00:34:53] <r4ph431>	 just found and used it
[00:35:30] <r4ph431>	 I should have read 1.20 release notes more carefully (my auth-drupal extension stopped working)
[00:37:28] <r4ph431>	 all is fine now, except a bunch of this notice: Undefined property: DatabaseMysql::$mTrxDoneWrite
[00:39:05] <Reedy>	 Where/
[00:39:12] <Reedy>	 It's private and in databasebase...
[00:40:33] <r4ph431>	 only one occurence, it's used with being tested, that's the only one which clutters my logfile :)
[00:40:48] <r4ph431>	 with->without^^
[00:41:37] <Reedy>	 Are you using it in your code?
[00:45:10] <r4ph431>	 no
[00:46:38] <r4ph431>	 out of curiosity, would a downgrade from 1.20 to 1.19 may have hurt ?
[00:47:26] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Redirect pages should render all text - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/14323  +comment (10Paine Ellsworth)
[01:11:14] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) pipe trick does not work if link contains a target (aka [[mw:foo#bar|]] isn't expanded) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/28730  +comment (10billinghurst)
[01:26:48] <sumanah>	 Reedy or RoanKattouw_away - sorry to bother you, but could you give https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/35582/ a glance? this is to help me prepare for that demo on Thursday
[01:29:29] <RoanKattouw_away>	 sumanah: That looks like a HipHop-specific thing. I don't know anything about our HipHop support so I can't tell if what you did is right or not
[01:29:40] <sumanah>	 damn, ok
[01:29:57] <sumanah>	 Blergh, time to try something else
[01:29:58] <Brooke>	 Tim is the one with the most HipHop experience, I think.
[01:30:21] * sumanah  will not chase a person who is Away

[01:31:55] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) VisualEditor: Backwards selection fails over inline alien nodes - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42401  +comment (10Trevor Parscal)
[01:43:47] <p858snake|werk>	 SudoKing: if you write a message and just highlight tim in it, he tends to look the next time he has at the client
[01:44:05] <sumanah>	 You mean me probably? :-)
[01:44:06] <sumanah>	 thanks
[01:49:41] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) VisualEditor: Don't offer Edit button when user cannot edit page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42142  +comment (10Krinkle)
[01:58:09] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Images loading in dynamic sections even when images disabled - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41091  +comment (10Juliusz Gonera)
[01:58:09] <sumanah>	 hi jeremyb - thanks again for making dev access accounts for people :-)
[02:11:22] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Text layer of DjVu files doesn't appear in Page namespace - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42466  (10baltoslavic)
[02:12:06] <sumanah>	 it's sDrewth sDrewthedoff!  how are you?
[02:16:53] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) thumb.php on Wikimedia Commons is serving broken images (thumbnail generation fails) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42047  +comment (10Aaron Schulz)
[02:17:08] <sumanah>	 andre__: are you still up?
[02:17:56] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Text layer of DjVu files doesn't appear in Page namespace - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42466  major->04CRIT (10Aristoi)
[02:48:51] <r1991>	 These progressively annoying donate banners have got to stop. I have been a donor in the past, but the banners have gotten to the point where they make the site so incredibly unusable that I am going to hold of on donations until this is fixed.
[02:48:52] <r1991>	 http://i.imgur.com/olC3q.png
[02:49:17] <r1991>	 that is a screen shot of how wikipedia appears on my mobile device (Galaxy Nexus)
[02:50:46] <Brooke>	 r1991: Hi.
[02:50:57] <Brooke>	 Yeah, that's bad.
[02:51:09] <Brooke>	 r1991: I'll file a bug about that. Unless you'd like to?
[02:51:56] <r1991>	 nah, ill let you
[02:52:25] <r1991>	 actually, I don't mind filing it, bugs.mediawiki.org?
[02:52:26] <Brooke>	 r1991: Well, actually, is there a reason you're not using the mobile site?
[02:52:42] <Brooke>	 I'm not sure of the exact configuration of the donation banners this year with mobile.
[02:52:44] <r1991>	 yeah I hate expanding each section if i'm trying to find a specific word/part
[02:53:05] <r1991>	 I avoid using the mobile site
[02:53:18] <Brooke>	 There's a very tiny "X" on the banner, you know?
[02:53:26] <r1991>	 *VERY* tiny
[02:53:28] <Brooke>	 If you click it, presumably the banner will disappear.
[02:53:29] <Brooke>	 Yeah.
[02:53:40] <r1991>	 almost impossible to click on a touchscreen device
[02:53:46] <Brooke>	 I'm not sure if the bug is "banners shouldn't display on mobile" or if it's "banners should be mobile friendly".
[02:53:49] <Brooke>	 Right.
[02:53:52] <r1991>	 not to mention the "please help" is illegible
[02:54:01] <TimStarling>	 obviously they are meant to display on mobile
[02:54:01] <Brooke>	 Yar.
[02:54:06] <r1991>	 mobile friendly is fine
[02:54:18] <Brooke>	 TimStarling: Your sarcasm is showing.
[02:54:24] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Search index for Wikivoyage wikis needs to be generated - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41959  +comment (10Erik Moeller)
[02:54:49] <r1991>	 one more thing.. is there a way to make it so the css of the banner is always "position:fixed"?
[02:55:06] <r1991>	 not sure why, but they seem to show on page load
[02:55:16] <r1991>	 but then when you scroll down, then go up, then re-appear
[02:55:27] <r1991>	 and jump into fixed position
[02:55:32] <Brooke>	 I'm not quite sure what you mean.
[02:55:39] <r1991>	 (now talking about desktop site)
[02:55:56] <r1991>	 hmm lemme see if I can illustrate 
[02:56:21] <TimStarling>	 that screenshot is the main site, not the mobile site
[02:56:26] <Brooke>	 Yes.
[02:56:32] <Brooke>	 TimStarling: Thank you for working on Lucene, by the way.
[02:56:40] <TimStarling>	 no problem
[02:56:42] <r1991>	 TimStarling, yes
[02:56:46] <r1991>	 that is main, not mobile
[02:57:07] <Brooke>	 I guess the real question then becomes, are there mobile-friendly banners/donation systems ready?
[02:57:15] <Brooke>	 I think in the past they've done "TEXT WIKI" to whatever banners.
[02:57:31] <Brooke>	 Ideally you'd show those (or not) on both en.m. and en.
[02:58:46] <Brooke>	 TimStarling: Speaking of search, ori-l put en.wiki's articles wikitext dump into Google's BigQuery and was able to run regex on it in about 10 seconds.
[02:59:34] <Brooke>	 When you consider that these tools are made for terabytes of data, the dumps of at least current wikitext start to look so small in comparison, heh.
[03:00:10] <TimStarling>	 that's nice
[03:00:19] <TimStarling>	 any idea what the banner name is in that screenshot?
[03:00:50] <Brooke>	 https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:BannerAllocation?project=wikipedia&language=en&country=US
[03:01:04] <TimStarling>	 ooh, I just got it on meta myself
[03:01:21] <TimStarling>	 it breaks the layout of the page pretty badly on chromium
[03:01:26] <r1991>	 okay, I hate to do this, but I don't know a better way: 
[03:01:29] <r1991>	 scrolled to top: http://i.imgur.com/QnTpa.png
[03:01:38] <r1991>	 partiall scrolled down: http://i.imgur.com/fAtGh.png
[03:01:52] <r1991>	 scrolled further down, banner jumps back: http://i.imgur.com/BdOSm.png
[03:02:19] <r1991>	 like... why?? set it to fixed and be done
[03:02:29] <TimStarling>	 it's much more broken than that in my browser
[03:02:29] <Brooke>	 http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page?banner=B12_5C_112802_coffee_coffee
[03:02:30] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) VisualEditor: Converter barfs on pages with <span> tags containing <p>s - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42487 normal; VisualEditor: Data Model; (roan.kattouw)
[03:02:35] <Brooke>	 There are a million variations.
[03:02:42] <Brooke>	 I think they're still not using templates properly in banners...
[03:03:07] <Brooke>	 I think they end up duplicating the same code to a zillion different pages.
[03:03:18] <Brooke>	 And then each one of those custom banners has translations.
[03:03:38] <Brooke>	 Now I'm curious how many pages it is.
[03:04:24] <Brooke>	 53,320 pages in the MediaWiki namespace.
[03:04:32] <Brooke>	 Nice.
[03:05:17] <Brooke>	 Wanna guess how many start with "Centralnotice"?
[03:05:30] <Jasper_Deng_busy>	 2k?
[03:05:30] <TimStarling>	 we should move that to its own wiki, it degrades the message cache performance
[03:05:37] <Brooke>	 51,147
[03:05:45] <Jasper_Deng_busy>	 o_O
[03:05:47] <Brooke>	 mysql> select count(*) from page where page_namespace = 8 and page_title like 'Centralnotice%';
[03:05:51] <TimStarling>	 I've told anyone who cares to listen that those pages should not be in the mediawiki namespace
[03:06:20] <Brooke>	 It couldn't take more than an hour's worth of work to move them all into a CentralNotice namespace.
[03:06:26] <Brooke>	 You just can't do it right now.
[03:06:46] <Brooke>	 I guess that's at least an intermediate solution.
[03:06:51] <TimStarling>	 last time I checked, it actually used the message cache
[03:06:59] <Brooke>	 Hmm.
[03:07:03] <TimStarling>	 so if it was moved to its own namespace, it would need its own caching system
[03:07:06] <Brooke>	 Is there a bug?
[03:07:14] <TimStarling>	 don't know
[03:07:28] <Brooke>	 51,000 pages...
[03:07:31] <Brooke>	 My goodness.
[03:08:14] <Brooke>	 r1991: File that bug?
[03:08:24] <r1991>	 oh sorry not yet
[03:08:39] <Brooke>	 No rush. I'm happy to if you don't want to, though. I just don't the issue to get lost.
[03:08:43] <Brooke>	 It's a legitimate issue.
[03:08:52] <Brooke>	 want the *
[03:09:07] <r1991>	 yeah very scatterbrained at the moment, it will be a minute before i get to it
[03:09:14] <r1991>	 ill let you file
[03:09:28] <RoanKattouw_away>	 Brooke: I reported it to the fr-tech team fwiw
[03:09:35] <Brooke>	 RoanKattouw_away: I'm gonan file a bug now.
[03:09:38] <Brooke>	 gonna
[03:09:43] <RoanKattouw_away>	 Yeah do that
[03:10:09] <r1991>	 Brooke: did you understand what I was saying with the other screenshots?
[03:12:16] <Brooke>	 Oh, sorry, I didn't see them.
[03:12:21] <Brooke>	 I'll look in a minute. I'm two bugs behind. ;-)
[03:13:20] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) CentralNotice should stop using the MediaWiki namespace - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42488 normal; MediaWiki extensions: CentralNotice; (b)
[03:13:24] <Brooke>	 TimStarling, RoanKattouw_away: File a bug. ^
[03:13:31] <Brooke>	 Filed, rather. I hate typing.
[03:13:48] <Brooke>	 I'm ready for Siri to take over that part of my life. Just that part.
[03:15:09] <Brooke>	 Is the banners not being mobile friendly a mobile bug or a fundraising bug?
[03:18:08] <RoanKattouw_away>	 fr
[03:22:24] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Fundraising banners are not mobile-friendly - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42489 normal; Wikimedia: Fundraising: Misc.; (b)
[03:23:04] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Fundraising banners are not mobile-friendly - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42489  +comment (10MZMcBride)
[03:23:07] <Brooke>	 r1991: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=42489
[03:23:13] <Brooke>	 You can CC yourself on that bug, if you'd like.
[03:25:49] <r1991>	 Brooke: thanks
[03:34:15] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Fundraising banners are not mobile-friendly - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42489  +comment (10Peter Gehres)
[03:42:54] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Localize logo for ml.wiktionary - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41785  +comment (10sunil)
[04:03:15] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) In Beta on the mobile website, searching for a phrase and adding it to the watchlist adds previous page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42486  +comment (10Michelle Grover)
[05:21:05] <yuvipanda>	 santhosh: hello!
[05:21:20] <santhosh>	 yuvipanda: hi
[05:21:32] <yuvipanda>	 santhosh: more ime questions :)
[05:21:38] <santhosh>	 shoot
[05:21:43] <yuvipanda>	 is there a way for me to disable the provided selector completely and provide my own?
[05:21:56] <yuvipanda>	 as in, just have a way to set language and keyboard, without that at all
[05:22:03] <yuvipanda>	 didn't find anything in the README
[05:22:24] <santhosh>	 yeah, not documented, but just implement the IME.selector
[05:22:36] <santhosh>	 selector is independent of IME mechanism
[05:23:12] <santhosh>	 that selector can call the apis exposed by jquery.ime to select language, input method, reset etc
[05:23:54] <yuvipanda>	 santhosh: ah, so if all i want to do is select language / input method, I don't even have to implement selector?
[05:24:01] <yuvipanda>	 just set them directly on the IME?
[05:24:05] <santhosh>	 yes
[05:24:20] <santhosh>	 see the qunit tests for some sample api calls
[05:24:33] <yuvipanda>	 ah, tests!
[05:24:35] <yuvipanda>	 i forgot :D
[05:24:46] <santhosh>	 qunit select input methods, languages and simulate keypress, watch what comes in inputbox, compare it with expected result
[05:24:53] <santhosh>	 yes, we have 1000+ tests :D
[05:25:13] <yuvipanda>	 well ofcourse :D
[05:25:15] <yuvipanda>	 just saw
[05:25:18] <yuvipanda>	 sweet!
[05:27:02] <yuvipanda>	 and I can just enum over $.ime.languages and $.ime.inputmethods
[05:27:18] <yuvipanda>	 oh, $.ime.languages has a list of inputmethods
[05:27:19] <yuvipanda>	 sweet
[05:42:54] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Text from database used on interface other than content language should be wrapped properly - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42490 normal; MediaWiki: Internationalization; (liangent)
[05:45:11] <deo>	 hi all.. may ask what would be usually the cause of loading the wiki very slow??.. 
[05:45:44] <deo>	 whenever i access every page.. it takes about 20-30 seconds to load :(
[05:46:56] <deo>	 any idea guys ? 
[05:50:47] <TimStarling>	 what is the URL?
[05:53:36] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Text from database used on interface other than content language should be wrapped properly - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42490  +comment (10Liangent)
[05:54:00] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Do not convert text marked as being in another language with a lang attribute - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37617  +comment (10Liangent)
[05:56:24] <t_kns>	 hello
[05:56:56] <t_kns>	 how do I can show renamed pages in special:newpages list?
[06:24:47] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) MobileFrontend beta dynamic post-search loading fails to initialize sections if previous page had no sections - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42485  (10Jon)
[06:56:06] <deo>	 hi guys.. found out the reason in my problem....
[06:56:33] <deo>	 whenever i used local db for my wiki, browsing was normal, but when using a remote db.. browsing is slow....
[06:59:18] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Merge wikimedia-copyrightwarning and wikimedia-editpage-tos-summary - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42491 normal; MediaWiki extensions: WikimediaMessages; (matma.rex)
[06:59:37] <MatmaRex>	 hi everyone – i'd greatly appreciate WMF feedback on the above bug ^
[07:02:12] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Mobile API strips images - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42492 normal; MediaWiki extensions: MobileFrontend; (jrobson)
[07:11:06] <gugb7>	 .
[07:20:04] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Documentation for Gerrit on labs is almost as ugly as Gerrit itself - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35403  +comment (10Quim Gil)
[07:22:15] <Nikerabbit>	 omg the bug title
[07:24:31] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) Create MediaWiki Extension documentation page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/25597  +comment (10Quim Gil)
[07:26:35] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Bot edits don't trigger email notifications - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38874  +comment (10Nemo)
[07:30:09] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Documentation about character coding and conversion in MediaWiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/12410  +comment (10Quim Gil)
[07:32:13] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Update Install/Upgrade documents - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/27650  +comment (10Quim Gil)
[07:34:40] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) docs/hooks.txt is out of date - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40762  +comment (10Quim Gil)
[07:41:04] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Documentation is awful - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39979  +comment (10Quim Gil)
[07:43:47] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Install Extension:NewUserMessage on gu.wikipedia and gu.wikisource - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40872  +comment (10Dhaval)
[07:44:34] <TheWeasel>	 Hey, I get an error message on the Catscan tool on the toolserver saying "Table 'dewiki_p.globalimagelinks' doesn't exist"
[07:46:26] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) initialization of the Language object is very heavy - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41103  (10jeblad)
[08:11:53] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) LocalizationUpdate seems not running - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42493 normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (raimond.spekking)
[08:24:21] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Documentation about character coding and conversion in MediaWiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/12410  normal->15enhancement; +comment (10Andre Klapper)
[08:25:19] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) wrong value in sparql query if the property value is a redirect page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40084  +comment (10Francesco Panico)
[08:25:51] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) LocalizationUpdate seems not running - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42493  (10Siebrand)
[08:30:45] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) User account in an undisturbed session occasionally logs out - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/23295   +testme; +comment (10Nemo)
[08:30:58] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) User account in an undisturbed session occasionally logs out - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/23295  (10Nemo)
[08:37:43] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) lst: cannot nest {{#lst}} tags for the same transcluded page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42481  (10Merlijn van Deen)
[08:38:47] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Update Install/Upgrade documents - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/27650  +comment (10Andre Klapper)
[08:56:28] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) docs/hooks.txt is out of date - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40762  +comment (10Niklas Laxström)
[09:01:12] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) LocalizationUpdate seems not running - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42493  +comment (10Niklas Laxström)
[09:02:01] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) LocalizationUpdate seems not running - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42493  +comment (10Niklas Laxström)
[09:07:45] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Documentation is awful - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39979  +comment (10Mark Holmquist)
[09:07:59] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) prevent creation of items having the same sitelinks - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42325  (10jeblad)
[09:09:15] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Language factory uses too simplistic caching - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38439  (10jeblad)
[09:09:31] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) docs/hooks.txt is out of date - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40762  +comment (10Andre Klapper)
[09:12:49] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) prevent creation of items having the same sitelinks - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42325  +comment (10Anja Jentzsch)
[09:20:09] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Don't run WRITE operations in ORMRowTest when testing on a Client instance - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42494 normal; MediaWiki extensions: WikidataClient; (tobias.gritschacher)
[09:20:15] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Don't run WRITE operations in ORMRowTest when testing on a Client instance - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42494  (10tobias.gritschacher)
[09:20:35] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) docs/hooks.txt is out of date - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40762  +comment (10Liangent)
[09:40:06] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Kill some hard-coded 'phase3's in code - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40177  +comment (10Tim Starling)
[09:54:01] <wizardist>	 hola!
[09:54:58] <Nikerabbit>	 day
[09:55:28] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) LocalizationUpdate seems not running - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42493  +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[10:01:44] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Jenkins jobs should use OpenJdk - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42380  +comment (10Antoine "hashar" Musso)
[10:02:53] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) TimedMediaHandler translation should be integrated with the Translate extension - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42495 normal; MediaWiki extensions: TimedMediaHandler; (amir.aharoni)
[10:03:09] <wizardist>	 what should I do, if I made changes to code (while at master) before checkout master, pull and checkout -b XXX?
[10:03:39] <hashar>	 wizardist: you want to create a topic branch in which you will work on your change
[10:03:48] <hashar>	 so update your local master branch:  git pull
[10:04:10] <hashar>	 then indeed create a topic branch like :  git checkout -b newfeature
[10:04:16] <wizardist>	 it says I need to merge first or my changes will be overwritten
[10:04:17] <hashar>	 where new feature is some name :-]
[10:04:31] <hashar>	 do you have changes in your local master branch ?
[10:04:38] <wizardist>	 yes.
[10:04:47] <hashar>	 so you can convert it to a topic branch:
[10:04:50] <hashar>	 by simply renaming it
[10:04:54] <wizardist>	 ah, ok.
[10:04:58] <hashar>	 git branch -m  newfeature
[10:05:15] <hashar>	 then recreate the master branch:   git checkout -b master -t origin/master
[10:05:25] <hashar>	 and come back to the new feature branch using:  git checkout newfeature
[10:05:28] <hashar>	 e
[10:31:11] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Documentation for Gerrit on labs is almost as ugly as Gerrit itself - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35403  +comment (10Dereckson)
[10:43:32] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Weekly bug summary: "quickly fixed a report" section empty - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42496 minor; Wikimedia: Bugzilla; (aklapper)
[10:44:28] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) thumb.php on Wikimedia Commons is serving broken images (thumbnail generation fails) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42047  +comment (10Faidon Liambotis)
[10:50:46] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Install Extension:NewUserMessage on gu.wikipedia and gu.wikisource - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40872  +comment (10Dereckson)
[10:51:35] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Install Extension:NewUserMessage on gu.wikipedia and gu.wikisource - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40872  +comment (10Dereckson)
[10:53:55] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) CentralNotice banners should exist in their own namespace - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31595  summary (10the wub)
[10:54:51] <wikibugs>	 14(DUP) CentralNotice should stop using the MediaWiki namespace - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42488  +comment (10the wub)
[10:54:51] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) CentralNotice banners should exist in their own namespace - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31595  +comment (10the wub)
[11:00:52] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) newmessageslinkplural and newmessagesdifflinkplural shouldn't use fake values for the number of changes - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42497 normal; MediaWiki: Internationalization; (matma.rex)
[11:01:39] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) CentralNotice banners should exist in their own namespace - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31595  +comment (10Liangent)
[11:04:57] <steko>	 hello. on https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:ContentHandler I read that "ContentHandler will allow us [...] to provide data "attachments" to wikitext pages, e.g. for geodata"
[11:05:40] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) newmessageslinkplural and newmessagesdifflinkplural shouldn't use fake values for the number of changes - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42497  +comment (10Liangent)
[11:05:49] <steko>	 is there any further information about this feature and its development?
[11:06:17] <MatmaRex>	 steko: ContentHandler itself is done and was merged into core
[11:06:42] <MatmaRex>	 steko: not sure if it is used for any practical applications currently
[11:06:46] <MatmaRex>	 steko: I think Wikidata uses it
[11:07:09] <steko>	 MatmaRex: I will look into that, thanks!
[11:08:03] <steko>	 MatmaRex: I am curious as to whether one could attach geodata as geojson (because I see JSON is one of the allowed serialization formats) and then show that data on the page .. 
[11:08:58] <MatmaRex>	 steko: if you write an extension to do it, certainly :)
[11:10:19] <steko>	 MatmaRex: that's great to hear!
[11:11:33] <njw>	 morning. i want to print a "warning" statement if someone misconfigures an extension. is printf fine, or is there a better way of doing that?
[11:12:48] <MatmaRex>	 njw: i suggest either raising an exception if it's, like, totally bad misconfiguration, or using some debugging function if it's just slightly incorrect
[11:13:05] <MatmaRex>	 actually i', not sure if you should raise an exception, or maybe die() or something, not sure what the convention is
[11:13:42] <njw>	 it's a totally bad misconfiguration, but fallback should probably be "ignore this extension" rather than "stop mw from working 'til problem is dealt with".
[11:13:45] <ori-l>	 steko: EventLogging using it too
[11:14:07] <ori-l>	 njw, fail fast and early and it won't make it to production
[11:14:20] <ori-l>	 don't try to work around critical failures
[11:14:20] <njw>	 true.
[11:14:44] <njw>	 ok, i'll read up on mediawiki exception stuff and figure out the best way to proceed then
[11:14:47] <njw>	 thanks
[11:18:34] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Hide anons and logged in users filters don't work with Wikidata changes - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42475  +comment (10Daniel Kinzler)
[11:18:55] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) ResourceLoader should allow some css statements NOT to be minified - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42498 enhancement; MediaWiki: ResourceLoader; (leo_wallentin)
[11:23:35] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Weekly bug summary: "quickly fixed a report" section empty - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42496  +comment (10Andre Klapper)
[11:25:33] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Add a way to use {{FORMATNUM}} to just do digit transform - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35753  +comment (10Paul Selitskas)
[11:33:16] <njw>	 Also, should error messages intended for admins be included in the i18n messages list?
[11:39:21] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) [Regression] Links to userpage and usertalk are in the wrong order in RTL language - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42337  +comment (10Jarry1250)
[11:41:19] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) [Regression] Links to userpage and usertalk are in the wrong order in RTL language - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42337  +comment (10Ori Livneh)
[11:45:52] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) TimedMediaHandler translation should be integrated with the Translate extension - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42495  normal->15enhancement (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[11:53:42] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) ResourceLoader should allow some css statements NOT to be minified - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42498  +comment (10Leonard Wallentin)
[11:56:08] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Update Install/Upgrade documents - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/27650  +comment (10Chad H.)
[11:56:47] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) ResourceLoader should allow some css statements NOT to be minified - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42498  +comment (10Ori Livneh)
[11:57:03] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Non-printing characters allowed in registration - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/2593  +comment (10Anu)
[12:03:01] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Merge wikimedia-copyrightwarning and wikimedia-editpage-tos-summary - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42491   +patch-in-gerrit; +comment (10Bartosz Dziewoński)
[12:11:39] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Account name with terminating exclamation mark - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/23710  +comment (10Anu)
[12:13:37] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Non-printing characters allowed in registration - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/2593  +comment (10Anu)
[12:26:03] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Don't run WRITE operations in ORMRowTest when testing on a Client instance - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42494  (10tobias.gritschacher)
[12:27:02] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Weekly bug summary: "quickly fixed a report" section empty - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42496  +comment (10Andre Klapper)
[12:29:59] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) ResourceLoader should allow some css statements NOT to be minified - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42498  +comment (10Leonard Wallentin)
[12:46:03] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Multilingual "Wikimedia Error" page language selector is broken - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/23944  +comment (10Anu)
[12:58:18] <sumanah>	 DanielK_WMDE_: hi, how's it going? 
[12:58:43] <sumanah>	 looks like y'all gave a talk at a conference in the last few days?
[12:59:15] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Exporting pages fails - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/13180  +comment (10Anu)
[13:00:19] <sumanah>	 andre__: hi, how is it going?
[13:02:18] <andre__>	 sumanah, fine... Currently diving into further potential issues in case of a Bugzilla upgrade
[13:03:06] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) User account in an undisturbed session occasionally logs out - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/23295  +comment (10syrthiss)
[13:03:33] <sumanah>	 andre__: got it. So, nothing in particular coming up as a result of the Monday deployment?
[13:03:35] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Need a click-thru privacy disclaimer for Flickr uploading - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42470  +comment (10Ryan Kaldari)
[13:03:52] <sumanah>	 andre__: I know valhallasw & Thomas fixed the Labeled Section Transclusion thing
[13:04:20] <MatmaRex>	 sumanah: i'd like some WMF people to look at this: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=42491
[13:04:33] <MatmaRex>	 sumanah: a chnage to messages in WikimediaMessages extension
[13:05:13] <MatmaRex>	 a pretty simple one, actually, but it could be good to forward it to somebody responsible for the legalspeak there (if there is such a person)
[13:05:31] <sumanah>	 MatmaRex: yep, I believe it's legal@wikimedia.org
[13:05:33] <sumanah>	 lemme check
[13:06:00] <sumanah>	 Yes, it's legal@wikimedia.org . Go ahead and email them.
[13:07:11] <MatmaRex>	 sumanah: i honestly don't know if it's worth bothering them (whoever they are)
[13:07:16] <sumanah>	 it is, go ahead
[13:07:25] <sumanah>	 we need to be pretty careful about this stuff
[13:07:29] <MatmaRex>	 sumanah: can you look at the bug and the patch quickly and help me decide? :)
[13:07:31] <MatmaRex>	 hm
[13:07:53] <andre__>	 sumanah: apart from LST issues I haven't seen anything in those ~10 Village pumps etc. that I'm watching (or I haven't realized that they are recent code deployment issues)
[13:07:59] <sumanah>	 andre__: ok, good to know
[13:08:06] <MatmaRex>	 sumanah: a similar chane went live on enwiki some time ago and i haven't heard about it being consulted
[13:08:11] <MatmaRex>	 change*
[13:08:20] <MatmaRex>	 sumanah: (as part of the editor redesign)
[13:08:27] <sumanah>	 MatmaRex: then it might be legally problematic and the legal department should be informed, just to double-check
[13:08:54] <sumanah>	 also, the legal department might have been consulted regarding that en.wp change and you just didn't hear about it, right?
[13:08:55] <MatmaRex>	 also, these are translateable messages, i don't tihkn they were "verified" or whatnot in every language...
[13:09:04] <sumanah>	 so tell Legal that as well
[13:09:09] <MatmaRex>	 that's very much possible, yes
[13:09:11] <sumanah>	 the point of the legal department is to worry about this stuff
[13:09:22] <sumanah>	 they can tell us when it's not worth worrying about
[13:09:23] <sumanah>	 and they do
[13:09:30] <darkschneider>	 hello i'm trying to make an ConfirmEdit work on mediawiki 1.16, but the latest version does not work. I think that is because of compatiblity issues. But the extension distributor is unable to suggest me the correct version of confirmedit to download. Can anyone suggest me the right strategy to pick the correct version?
[13:09:53] <darkschneider>	 (sorry 1.16.0 )
[13:09:58] <sumanah>	 hi there darkschneider -- quick question, why not upgrade to MediaWiki 1.19?
[13:10:03] <MatmaRex>	 darkschneider: clone the git repo and find a version that's old enough in the change history :)
[13:10:10] <MatmaRex>	 also what sumanah said
[13:10:16] <MatmaRex>	 sumanah: alright, i'll drop a quick mail there
[13:10:18] <sumanah>	 also, the extensiondistributor is intermittently broken as far as I can tell, I'm sorry to say
[13:10:25] <sumanah>	 thanks MatmaRex for keeping your eye out for this kind of stuff
[13:10:27] <Reedy>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:ExtensionDistributor?extdist_extension=ConfirmEdit&extdist_version=branches%2FREL1_16&extdist_submit=Continue
[13:10:30] <Reedy>	 Yeah, it's broken again
[13:11:00] <darkschneider>	 because the customer will not pay me for the update that likely will take more than installing an extension :)
[13:11:14] <sumanah>	 darkschneider: would you terribly mind filing a bug at bugzilla.wikimedia.org about the problem with ExtensionDistributor?
[13:11:23] <andre__>	 there should be a bug report already
[13:11:41] <sumanah>	 darkschneider: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Upgrading#Why_upgrade.3F "In case you need additional arguments to convince your bosses to let you upgrade from a pretty old version" might work for clients as well
[13:11:51] <andre__>	 probably https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=41081
[13:12:01] <darkschneider>	 sumanah: i see, but i was trying just to minimize my time use... we are already losing money on this :((( (when we do extra we do donations happily)
[13:12:07] <Reedy>	 http://svn.mediawiki.org/svnroot/mediawiki/branches/REL1_16/extensions/ConfirmEdit/
[13:12:11] <Reedy>	 Use SVN to checkout that
[13:12:35] <sumanah>	 I can understand your concerns darkschneider, I've worked in client services as well.  My sympathies and good luck in your future clients & cashflow :)
[13:12:37] <darkschneider>	 ok thanks for all help, will try to clone and hope it fixes :)
[13:12:59] <sumanah>	 !lists | darkschneider 
[13:13:00] <wm-bot>	  darkschneider : mediawiki-l and wikitech-l are the primary mailing lists for MediaWiki-related issues. See https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Mailing_lists for details.
[13:13:13] <sumanah>	 darkschneider: mediawiki-l is a useful list to be on if you administer several MediaWiki installations
[13:13:21] <sumanah>	 just an idea
[13:13:27] <andre__>	 ExtensionDistributor is broken again? sigh. If so, there is no bug report.
[13:13:28] <darkschneider>	 thanks :) but will volunterr bugreporting when baclk home maybe :D depends on how much time gf needs :D
[13:13:36] <andre__>	 as bug 41081 is closed...
[13:13:44] <sumanah>	 aw, thanks darkschneider 
[13:13:46] <darkschneider>	 thanks :)
[13:13:55] <sumanah>	 I know what you mean, I had to stop working last night to watch a movie with my husband
[13:14:02] <sumanah>	 and it turned out to be a movie about working too much
[13:14:17] <sumanah>	 lol
[13:17:28] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Set project/project talk and portal/portal talk namespace names for Bashkir Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42077  +comment (10haqmar)
[13:18:07] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Activate Collection Extension for generating PDF on the Bashkir Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40879  +comment (10haqmar)
[13:18:28] <MatmaRex>	 sumanah: can i / should i cc you on the mail?
[13:18:39] <sumanah>	 MatmaRex: no need to cc me, in my opinion, but thank you for the offer
[13:19:37] <MatmaRex>	 sumanah: alright. sent it then, thanks
[13:25:27] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Enhanced recent changes doesn't hide subitems until the page finishes loading - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42499 normal; MediaWiki: Recent changes; (yyairrand)
[13:26:28] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) Editing very high-use templates results in a timeout in BacklinkCache::partition() - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37731  +comment (10db)
[13:26:38] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Filter redundant jobs from the queue - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42065  +comment (10db)
[13:26:42] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Job queue refreshLinks2 duplicate removal - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/27914  +comment (10db)
[13:27:11] <sumanah>	 MatmaRex: have you played with https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:TemplateSandbox yet?
[13:27:36] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Add first value to a statement (8) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40956  +comment (10db)
[13:28:37] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Add statement to an item and select the property (13) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40957  +comment (10db)
[13:28:58] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) wbgetitems/wbgetentities: api requests fail on multiple site/title pairs (2) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42060  (10jeblad)
[13:29:06] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) Upgrades should provide a way to separate out schema changes for environments that need it - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38110  +comment (10db)
[13:31:06] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) Disabling desktop view is broken - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42480  +comment (10db)
[13:31:52] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) "Navigation" in sidebar is visible for a moment before disappearing - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/25510  +comment (10Yair Rand)
[13:32:15] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) message snippets in notifications should skip templates - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41139  +comment (10db)
[13:32:19] <MatmaRex>	 sumanah: that's new to me - what is it supposed to do?
[13:33:11] <sumanah>	 MatmaRex: it's new this week.  It gives you the ability to try rendering a page with some other set of templates.  So, for example, you could develop some templates in your namespace and then say "how would this template-heavy article look with my templates used instead of the usual ones?"
[13:33:28] <sumanah>	 this will be very helpful when developing Lua alternatives and equivalents
[13:33:29] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) [regression] [[MediaWiki:Spam-whitelist]] is incomplete - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41235  +comment (10db)
[13:33:31] <MatmaRex>	 nice.
[13:34:06] <sumanah>	 Yeah. And there's another bit of functionality -- you can edit a template, and then on the preview page, you'll see a box: "preview some other page using the template as I've just edited it"
[13:34:11] <MatmaRex>	 does it support rendering a page with versions of templates as they looked at the given revision? or does it just take the old wikitext?
[13:34:52] <sumanah>	 I'm not sure about "Render revision" and its functionality, I haven't tried that bit
[13:35:11] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Reverting to an old version of a video file does not trigger new transcodes - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42294  +comment (10db)
[13:35:31] <MatmaRex>	 because that would be cool and useful and would solve issues people are having right now
[13:35:36] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) Page title not replaced by item label when viewing old revisions. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38542  +comment (10denny vrandecic)
[13:35:41] <sumanah>	 once anomie (Brad Jorsch) comes online you can ask him about it because he wrote this and it might be quick for him to add it
[13:35:59] <sumanah>	 it's Extension:TemplateSandbox in case you want to poke around before he comes online -- he'll be here in probably the next hour, I bet
[13:36:01] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Switching filters with an action flyout open breaks AFT5 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41507  +comment (10db)
[13:36:04] <MatmaRex>	 the current thing is nice, too, but the previewing part is pretty easy to work around, unless we have templates calling templates calling templates
[13:36:14] <MatmaRex>	 thanks, i will
[13:36:21] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) add info if langlink is stored at repository or local - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41345  (10denny vrandecic)
[13:36:22] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Deployment of Wikidata to Wikimedia wikis (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38975  (10denny vrandecic)
[13:36:22] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Deploy wikidata.org with the Wikidata repository - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40000  (10denny vrandecic)
[13:36:37] <sumanah>	 this is part of the current deployment cycle so today it goes to meta/commons/etc., shows up on Wikipedias next week, etc.
[13:36:55] <sumanah>	 MatmaRex: it would be great if you found bugs NOW so we can fix them before the bigger deployments next week :-)
[13:37:41] <MatmaRex>	 oh look, it's a anomie
[13:37:46] <sumanah>	 hey hey!
[13:37:57] <sumanah>	 anomie: we were just enjoying TemplateSandbox. Thank you for making it
[13:38:40] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) [Regression] Links to userpage and usertalk are in the wrong order in RTL language - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42337  +comment (10Jarry1250)
[13:38:46] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Make AbuseFilter aware of Wikibase content models. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42064  +comment (10db)
[13:39:01] <anomie>	 hi MatmaRex, sumanah! Glad you're liking it. I'm a little disappointed no one replied to my post on enwiki's [[WP:VPT]] about it.
[13:39:11] <sumanah>	 anomie: lemme look at that
[13:39:11] <MatmaRex>	 sumanah: i was thinking that it really needs some information on top. when you linked it, i had no idea what is it going to do
[13:39:25] <MatmaRex>	 sumanah: my first though ws that it's going to copy some pages to my sandbox space
[13:39:26] <sumanah>	 yeah, anomie, we ran into the same problem with APISandbox I think
[13:39:42] <sumanah>	 it's an interesting UI challenge to explain what's happening
[13:40:14] <sumanah>	 honestly, a 45-second screencast video might be useful
[13:40:14] <MatmaRex>	 "You can use this special page to preview how a given page would look with a different set of templates." would do.
[13:42:22] <MatmaRex>	 "You can choose a set of templates saved in you sandbox space by using an appropriate sandbox prefix – e.g., if you want to preview a version of Template:Test that you have saved as User:Foo/sandbox/Template:Test, use 'User:Foo/sandbox' as the prefix."
[13:42:27] <anomie>	 MediaWiki:templatesandbox-text exists to put some text up there. I don't know if any change can get into 1.21wmf5 at this point though.
[13:42:30] <MatmaRex>	 actually, i don't know if the above is correct, as there's no docs ~
[13:42:53] <MatmaRex>	 it doesn't say if e.g. the namespace should be included
[13:42:57] <MatmaRex>	 or what happens to the slash
[13:43:34] <anomie>	 MatmaRex- Feel free to improve the docs: [[mw:Extension:TemplateSandbox]]. I'm not the greatest writer, I tend to assume too much prior knowledge.
[13:43:44] <MatmaRex>	 anomie: also, the real thing i wanted to ask you: does it support rendering a page with versions of templates as they looked at the given revision? or does it just take the old wikitext?
[13:44:00] <MatmaRex>	 or - could it support it with a reasonable amount of work put into it?
[13:44:25] <MatmaRex>	 because while it's very nice, that would be *awesome*
[13:44:41] <anomie>	 It just takes the old wikitext. We're trying to avoid making the interface too complicated, even using an old revision of a source page barely made the cut.
[13:44:43] <MatmaRex>	 (there are people complaining about breaking compatibility with old revisions when we improve templates on pl.wiki...)
[13:45:13] <anomie>	 OTOH, you could always just copy the old template revisions into a sandbox somewhere... ;)
[13:46:16] <MatmaRex>	 anomie: yes, but what if you just want to view how certain page looked like on, say, the revision dated 5th of August 2010? you'd have to hunt down every revision of every template there
[13:46:39] <MatmaRex>	 at this point you could just copy the old revision of the page as well and not need the special page
[13:46:45] <MatmaRex>	 just some search&replace needed
[13:46:57] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) Page Curation does not check for deletion tags before adding its own - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40528  +comment (10db)
[13:47:14] <sumanah>	 MatmaRex: anomie - if you want some questions answered in the TemplateSandbox docs or you want some facts moved into the docs, put them on https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Extension_talk:TemplateSandbox&action=edit&redlink=1 - just copy and paste bits of IRC on there, even -- and I'll add it to the documentation on the extension page
[13:47:19] <sumanah>	 I have to go, back in 90
[13:47:22] <sumanah>	 or less
[13:48:45] <wikibugs>	 03(VERIFIED) Research and design search for Wikidata (21) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36417  (10denny vrandecic)
[13:48:59] <anomie>	 MatmaRex- It sounds like you really want [[mw:Extension:Memento]] for that.
[13:49:52] <wikibugs>	 03(VERIFIED) Caching for phase I - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36427  (10denny vrandecic)
[13:49:56] <MatmaRex>	 anomie: hmmm... i never heard about it before
[13:49:58] <wikibugs>	 03(VERIFIED) Research hosting for Selenium test swarm (5) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36429  (10denny vrandecic)
[13:50:07] <wikibugs>	 03(VERIFIED) Validate data structure - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36519  (10denny vrandecic)
[13:50:09] <MatmaRex>	 anomie: i wasnt anything that could be enabled on the Wikipedias within my lifespan ;)
[13:50:12] <MatmaRex>	 i want*
[13:50:24] <wikibugs>	 03(VERIFIED) Undocumented messages and parameters make translating harder - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36609  (10denny vrandecic)
[13:50:25] <MatmaRex>	 something*
[13:50:32] <wikibugs>	 03(VERIFIED) Various design issues on the user interface - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36657  (10denny vrandecic)
[13:50:43] <wikibugs>	 03(VERIFIED) Error during recreation of tables - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36814  (10denny vrandecic)
[13:50:47] <MatmaRex>	 why do people not silence wikibugs before doing mass actions
[13:50:49] <MatmaRex>	 god dammit
[13:50:56] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) ULS should be hidden for users with Javascript disabled - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42500 normal; MediaWiki extensions: UniversalLanguageSelector; (yyairrand)
[13:50:56] <wikibugs>	 03(VERIFIED) Hide data namespace bot edits in RecentChanges - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37344  (10denny vrandecic)
[13:51:04] <wikibugs>	 03(VERIFIED) Can't copy error text - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37460  (10denny vrandecic)
[13:51:16] <wikibugs>	 03(VERIFIED) Cross-dependency: WikibaseLib depends on Wikibase repo - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37467  (10denny vrandecic)
[13:51:25] <wikibugs>	 03(VERIFIED) ItemHandler::getParserOutput() must not touch OutputPage - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37502  (10denny vrandecic)
[13:51:34] <wikibugs>	 03(VERIFIED) wbgetitems silently ignores any items it can't find. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37504  (10denny vrandecic)
[13:51:46] <wikibugs>	 03(VERIFIED) Report not-found items in ApiGetItems - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37505  (10denny vrandecic)
[13:51:47] <MatmaRex>	 and why there are no ops who care
[13:52:30] <wikibugs>	 03(VERIFIED) not obvious you can only add links to existing articles (2) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37509  (10denny vrandecic)
[13:52:37] <wikibugs>	 03(VERIFIED) Adding interwiki link causes: Database query error - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37530  (10denny vrandecic)
[13:52:43] <wikibugs>	 03(VERIFIED) Remove labels and descriptions when they are empty - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37540  (10denny vrandecic)
[13:52:53] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) Notification in other wiki has broken link - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38718  +comment (10db)
[13:52:57] <MatmaRex>	 yeah. i wonder how many more are coming
[13:53:05] <MatmaRex>	 ah, now here comes db with his fixing spree
[13:55:08] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Schwa syncope rule in devanagari transliteration - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35990  +comment (10db)
[13:55:15] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) Non-printing characters allowed in registration - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/2593  +comment (10Andre Klapper)
[13:56:24] <anomie>	 I just wish wikibugs would include the component somehow, to make it easier to ignore bugs about random extensions whose description sounds like something I might know about.
[13:56:44] <wikibugs>	 03(VERIFIED) Fatal error: Call to a member function getEntityType() on a non-object - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42176  (10denny vrandecic)
[13:57:31] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Account name with terminating exclamation mark - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/23710  +comment (10Andre Klapper)
[13:58:13] <wikibugs>	 03(VERIFIED) page counter not updated - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42044  (10denny vrandecic)
[13:58:29] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Double load spinner on preview after second time - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/26290  +comment (10db)
[13:58:46] <wikibugs>	 03(VERIFIED) Wikibase Repo: Catchable fatal error: Argument 2 passed to Wikibase\RepoHooks::onPageContentLanguage() must be an instance of Language, string given - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41667  (10denny vrandecic)
[13:58:55] <wikibugs>	 03(VERIFIED) Insecure content requested on https://wikidata.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41654  (10denny vrandecic)
[13:59:02] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Multilingual "Wikimedia Error" page language selector is broken - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/23944  +comment (10Andre Klapper)
[13:59:06] <wikibugs>	 03(VERIFIED) Add labels to user contributions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41624  (10denny vrandecic)
[13:59:25] <wikibugs>	 03(RESOLVED) Add labels to user contributions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41624  (10denny vrandecic)
[13:59:36] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Prevent self-moderation of ArticleFeedback posts - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39818  +comment (10db)
[14:00:44] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) Add API action to get UploadWizard campaign info - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36915  +comment (10db)
[14:01:49] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) Confirm drag to new location when the user press Enter - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37086  +comment (10db)
[14:01:58] <MatmaRex>	 anomie: this too
[14:02:09] <wikibugs>	 03(VERIFIED) No title in diff when no label in user language - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41620  (10denny vrandecic)
[14:02:11] <MatmaRex>	 anomie: and that it would be consistent wrt how it shows the bug reporter
[14:02:25] <wikibugs>	 03(VERIFIED) Add global to prevent writing to wb_changes database table - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41593  (10denny vrandecic)
[14:02:27] <MatmaRex>	 BZ full name (mods) vs e-mail (new reports)
[14:02:45] <wikibugs>	 03(VERIFIED) Search results show the label twice, but not the item description. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41580  (10denny vrandecic)
[14:02:47] <MatmaRex>	 can somebdy silence it
[14:02:49] <MatmaRex>	 ?
[14:02:58] <wikibugs>	 03(VERIFIED) ULS: the IME feature causes the Wikidata UI breaking - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41541  (10denny vrandecic)
[14:02:59] <MatmaRex>	 who is denny on irc?
[14:03:11] <wikibugs>	 03(VERIFIED) It is possible to violate the label-description uniqueness constraint on items - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41390  (10denny vrandecic)
[14:03:15] <wikibugs>	 03(VERIFIED) Transaction warnings during update.php - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41170  (10denny vrandecic)
[14:03:43] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Exporting pages fails - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/13180  +comment (10Andre Klapper)
[14:03:44] <anomie>	 MatmaRex- Well, you could always just /ignore it temporarily
[14:04:11] <wikibugs>	 03(VERIFIED) Set a main page on the repo - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41076  (10denny vrandecic)
[14:04:31] <wikibugs>	 03(VERIFIED) JavaScript on item pages fails to finish loading, the page just shows a spinner. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41045  (10denny vrandecic)
[14:04:43] <MatmaRex>	 anomie: well, it still clutters IRC logs of  the other 229 people on this channel
[14:04:48] <wikibugs>	 03(VERIFIED) Strange timeout during test - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41034  (10denny vrandecic)
[14:05:03] <MatmaRex>	 what is he even doing, batch-setting verified status?
[14:05:20] <MatmaRex>	 20 seconds seems too fast to verify a bug fix
[14:05:43] <wikibugs>	 03(VERIFIED) SearchEngineTest fails with items in main namespace - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40716  (10denny vrandecic)
[14:05:55] <wikibugs>	 03(VERIFIED) RevisionStorageTest fails with items in main namespace - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40715  (10denny vrandecic)
[14:06:06] <wikibugs>	 03(VERIFIED) Invalid titles can be saved as sitelinks - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40652  (10denny vrandecic)
[14:06:13] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Reverting to an old version of a video file does not trigger new transcodes - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42294  +comment (10Marco)
[14:06:16] <wikibugs>	 03(VERIFIED) Special:CreateProperty already in use - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40635  (10denny vrandecic)
[14:06:33] <wikibugs>	 03(VERIFIED) Getting Jenkins working for Wikibase extension - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40623  (10denny vrandecic)
[14:06:41] <wikibugs>	 03(VERIFIED) Backport fixes to Wikibase v0.1 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40573  (10denny vrandecic)
[14:06:49] <MatmaRex>	 Denny_WMDE: if you're denny vrandecic, ping.
[14:06:50] <wikibugs>	 03(VERIFIED) Storing changes in a property updates an item - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40503  (10denny vrandecic)
[14:07:00] <wikibugs>	 03(VERIFIED) Unit tests needed for uniqueness constraint on labels of properties and queries - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40443  (10denny vrandecic)
[14:07:01] <Reedy>	 he is
[14:07:12] <wikibugs>	 03(VERIFIED) Article textfield is not disabled sometimes during saving in the sitelinks UI - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40425  (10denny vrandecic)
[14:07:19] <wikibugs>	 03(VERIFIED) Change the containing structure in ApiModifyEntity from "item" to "entity" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40408  (10denny vrandecic)
[14:07:24] <MatmaRex>	 can somebody tell me wtf is up with the batch verified status?
[14:07:41] <wikibugs>	 03(VERIFIED) Change the containing structure in wbgetitems from "items" to "entities" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40407  (10denny vrandecic)
[14:07:42] <MatmaRex>	 you can't verify a bugfix in 20 seconds
[14:07:48] <wikibugs>	 03(VERIFIED) EntityObject::equals should make more consistent, strict comparison of entities ID - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40295  (10denny vrandecic)
[14:07:57] <wikibugs>	 03(VERIFIED) Description input field on items list is LTR in an RTL environment (5) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40247  (10denny vrandecic)
[14:08:06] <wikibugs>	 03(VERIFIED) There should be a simple method to use to generate titles for items - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40185  (10denny vrandecic)
[14:08:06] <Reedy>	 They have whiteboard tracking etc in the WMDE office
[14:08:15] <wikibugs>	 03(VERIFIED) Create a Wikidata repository - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40137  (10denny vrandecic)
[14:08:15] <andre__>	 maybe the understanding of "verified" in the WMDE office is different?
[14:08:26] <wikibugs>	 03(VERIFIED) ULS is now used from the JS code for the repo - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40105  (10denny vrandecic)
[14:08:28] <Reedy>	 So what Denny is presumably doing is transferring this to bugzilla based on real world discussions/testing/demos
[14:08:58] <MatmaRex>	 so why doesn't he silence the bot, find out the bug numbers first, and then do it all in 20 seconds? D:
[14:09:02] <Denny_WMDE>	 hi
[14:09:05] <Denny_WMDE>	 sorry
[14:09:27] <Denny_WMDE>	 we changed our understanding of verified and resolved
[14:09:43] <Denny_WMDE>	 and are now updating bugzilla to reflect that
[14:09:44] <andre__>	 Denny_WMDE, which is now?
[14:09:56] <andre__>	 I also want to change my understanding! :)
[14:09:56] <Denny_WMDE>	 this are legacy status that we update
[14:10:04] <MatmaRex>	 Denny_WMDE: please silence wikibugs before doing batch changes :(
[14:10:14] <Reedy>	 Most people don't have rights to do that
[14:10:18] <Denny_WMDE>	 we used to resolve a bug only after sprint end
[14:10:28] <Denny_WMDE>	 and never use verified
[14:10:29] <andre__>	 Denny_WMDE, what does legacy status mean? could you elaborate on how you use VERIFIED?
[14:10:31] <andre__>	 ah
[14:10:37] <Denny_WMDE>	 now we resolve a bug when it is actually merged
[14:10:42] <Denny_WMDE>	 and verify in the weekly group meeting
[14:10:44] <MatmaRex>	 Reedy: i'm sure most people can find someone to do it for them in like half a minute
[14:10:47] <MatmaRex>	 especially employees
[14:10:52] <andre__>	 Denny_WMDE, oh. I think I like that!
[14:11:03] <Denny_WMDE>	 sorry, i wasnt even thinking about the bot :-/
[14:11:06] <Denny_WMDE>	 it is over now
[14:11:07] <MatmaRex>	 Reedy: even i was able to do it once when i needed it
[14:11:21] <hashar>	 we could probably use MERGED and DEPLOYED statuses just like launchpad.net :-D
[14:11:22] <MatmaRex>	 (actually, i think it was you who silenced one of the bots for me)
[14:12:03] <gehwissenlos>	 I'm new to mediawiki and want to create a portal page. How can I do this? A copied portal from wikipedia doesn't work.
[14:12:19] <Reedy>	 Define doesn't work
[14:12:28] <Denny_WMDE>	 gehwissenlos: make sure you copied all used templates
[14:12:31] <MatmaRex>	 gehwissenlos: you proably need to install the ParserFunctions extension, and copy all the templates used on the page
[14:12:35] <Denny_WMDE>	 MatmaRex: sorry, mea culpa :)
[14:12:53] <MatmaRex>	 Denny_WMDE: alright, just... don't do it again :) thanks
[14:13:14] <gehwissenlos>	 thanks, how can I copy all templates easily?
[14:13:14] <Denny_WMDE>	 i will try to remember it, but i dont make any promises
[14:13:38] <MatmaRex>	 gehwissenlos: [[special:export]] on en.wiki and [[special:import]] on your wiki
[14:13:59] <gehwissenlos>	 thanks, i will try it
[14:15:08] <danfalosi>	 am getting [676074fd] 2012-11-28 14:13:10: Fatal exception of type MWException .please help 
[14:15:25] <danfalosi>	 i just moved my files to the server 
[14:16:00] <Reedy>	 !debugging
[14:16:00] <wm-bot>	 For information on debugging (including viewing errors), see http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:How_to_debug . A list of related configuration variables is at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Configuration_settings#Debug.2Flogging
[14:16:27] <MatmaRex>	 anomie: if you're still there, i copied our quick discussion to https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension_talk:TemplateSandbox :)
[14:17:51] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) EditWarning should use $.fn.bind instead of window.onbeforeunload directly - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33566  +comment (10db)
[14:18:33] <anomie>	 MatmaRex- nifty
[14:27:21] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Review Wikibase API error handling - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38675  +comment (10db)
[14:31:25] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) Questions/prompts for free text comments should be consistent - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39551  +comment (10db)
[14:33:01] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) DynamicSidebar needs to use page's category as well as user's - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38746  +comment (10db)
[14:36:03] <gehwissenlos>	 I have installed the extension and exported all pages and templates used on the german wikipedia Portal:Informatik. But now mediawiki searches after Template:Portal:Informatik/xxxxx and the pages are under Portal:Informatik/xxxxx. Where is the problem?
[14:36:10] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) LiquidThreads uses css clearing code that breaks overflow on the content area - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34556  +comment (10db)
[14:36:45] <MatmaRex>	 gehwissenlos: make sure they are in a correctly named namespace
[14:37:04] <MatmaRex>	 gehwissenlos: is the ns name for Portal different in german?
[14:37:45] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) LiquidThreads uses css clearing code that breaks overflow on the content area - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34556  (10Bartosz Dziewoński)
[14:39:22] <anomie>	 gehwissenlos- Did you actually define a portal namespace in your LocalSettings.php? It's not a standard namespace.
[14:40:30] <gehwissenlos>	 MatmaRex: i don't know much about namespaces, but Portal: in en is the same as Portal: in de
[14:46:16] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) invalid ip on Special:GlobalBlockList gives 0.0.0.0 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42501 normal; MediaWiki extensions: GlobalBlocking; (duplicatebug)
[14:47:41] <MatmaRex>	 !namespaces
[14:47:41] <wm-bot>	 See http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Namespaces for user help and documentation, and http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Namespace for administration. For adding namespaces, see !extranamespace
[14:47:46] <MatmaRex>	 gehwissenlos: ^
[14:47:57] <MatmaRex>	 gehwissenlos: as anomie said, make sure you have the Portal: namespace
[14:48:11] <MatmaRex>	 !extranamespace
[14:48:11] <wm-bot>	 To add a namespace, modify your LocalSettings.php file, and add namespaces via $wgExtraNamespaces. A comprehensive set of instructions for adding a namespace can be found at <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Using_custom_namespaces>. $wgExtraNamespaces can also be used to rename the default namespaces.
[15:01:06] <gehwissenlos>	 thanks, with the extra namespace it works great
[15:06:18] <sumanah>	 hi Mugii!
[15:06:26] <sumanah>	 How's it going?
[15:06:29] <sumanah>	 Thanks for your message.
[15:07:47] <sumanah>	 how is your day?
[15:08:27] <Mugii>	 My day is great. It's actually 6 in the evening here, so I should say my day was great.
[15:08:39] <Mugii>	 Hi Sumanah
[15:08:46] <sumanah>	 Ha!
[15:08:56] <sumanah>	 Yeah, thank you for making the time to chat with me here
[15:09:11] <sumanah>	 How did you hear about Outreach Program for Women?
[15:09:15] <Mugii>	 My pleasure.
[15:09:37] <Mugii>	 A friend of mine sent me the link. She thought it was something I would be interested in
[15:10:17] <sumanah>	 And she was right!
[15:10:50] <Mugii>	 Yes she was. I'm really hoping I get in! 
[15:11:06] <sumanah>	 Thought you might like to see this: https://toolserver.org/%7Eluxo/contributions/contributions.php?user=Mugii&blocks=true
[15:11:37] <sumanah>	 it tracks all the edits you've made to Wikimedia sites
[15:13:35] <Mugii>	 That's cool. Hopefully I can make more contributions in the future
[15:13:47] <sumanah>	 Sure
[15:13:57] <Mugii>	 Especially to the Swahili Wikipedia 
[15:14:04] <sumanah>	 absolutely
[15:14:24] <sumanah>	 I wanted to introduce you to guillom, by the way, because Guillaume is my colleague and is interested in mentoring the weekly development summary project
[15:14:55] <Mugii>	 I was going to ask about that actually. Thanks
[15:15:37] <Tpt>	 hashar: Hi!
[15:15:39] <Tpt>	 Is it possible to add the extension LabeledSectionTransclusion  to the list of extensions that are tested with the Jenkins bot, please?
[15:16:21] <sumanah>	 also Mugii you are part of the answer to the software localisation paradox that my colleague Amir wrote about: https://aharoni.wordpress.com/2011/08/24/the-software-localization-paradox/
[15:16:24] <hashar>	 Tpt: if it got tests sure :-]
[15:16:27] <guillom>	 hi
[15:16:48] <sumanah>	 Mugii: Guillaume lives in France
[15:16:59] <Tpt>	 hashar: Yes, it got nearly 15 parser tests.
[15:17:24] <Tpt>	 and 5 more will be added in the next few days.
[15:17:24] <hashar>	 Tpt: I am not fully ready to ingrate extensions though, will try it 
[15:17:25] <njw>	 oh, are parser tests executed by Jenkins? that's cool :)
[15:17:57] <hashar>	 Tpt: doh sorry not going to work for now.
[15:18:26] <Mugii>	 Hi guillom
[15:18:39] <hashar>	 Tpt: I got a veryyyy lame script to require() extensions which expect the main php file to be named the same as the directory. Aka LabeledSectionTransclusion/LabeledSectionTransclusion.php  but that extensions use lst.php
[15:18:48] <hashar>	 Tpt: so would need to find out a way to add some exception
[15:18:58] <guillom>	 hello Mugii; nice to meet you
[15:19:03] <Mugii>	 Thanks sumanah, the software localization paradox is something I can relate to, most of the translations are actually very poor
[15:19:16] <Mugii>	 Atleast for Swahili
[15:19:34] <sumanah>	 Mugii: You might actually be interested in one of the related projects that Amir wants to mentor, then
[15:19:36] <hashar>	 Tpt: does LabeledSectionTransclusion requires any other extension as a dependency?
[15:19:43] <sumanah>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Outreach_Program_for_Women#Documenting_noteworthy_local_templates.2C_gadgets_and_styles_in_various_projects
[15:20:07] <Tpt>	 hashar: No
[15:20:24] <Tpt>	 It's a very simple extensions that add some tags to Wikitext.
[15:20:59] <Mugii>	 Nice to meet you too, guillom. As sumanah has already mentioned I am interested in the weekly development summary project
[15:21:18] <hashar>	 Tpt: do we have to include both lst.php and lsth.php ?
[15:21:23] <Mugii>	 Thanks sumanah, I'm looking at it 
[15:21:43] <guillom>	 Mugii: great! Have you already sent an e-mail to her or me? I've got a lot of e-mails and I want to be sure there aren't any duplicates
[15:21:52] <Tpt>	 hashar: Yes
[15:22:45] <sumanah>	 guillom: She's already emailed me :-) Shall I forward her info to you?
[15:22:51] <Mugii>	 I have already sent an email to sumanah and she had assigned me a microtask
[15:23:00] <sumanah>	 Which she completed!
[15:23:05] <sumanah>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Outreach_Program_for_Women#Candidates has a link to it in case you want to see, guillom 
[15:23:14] <Mugii>	 Thanks sumanah
[15:23:19] <guillom>	 sumanah: well, what project would Mugii work on?
[15:23:46] <sumanah>	 guillom: this is a good question.  Mugii is interested in the weekly development summary project but I also want her to consider ones that could especially use her language skills
[15:24:03] <sumanah>	 in this case, Amir Aharoni's "Documenting noteworthy local templates, gadgets and styles in various projects"
[15:24:07] <guillom>	 ok
[15:24:45] <sumanah>	 although I see that Amir has mentioned that that particular project does not require multilinguality
[15:24:49] <guillom>	 sumanah: I'm just trying to sort this all out :) i.e. making sense of the e-mails, figuring out what I need to do, and by when
[15:25:07] <sumanah>	 sure, understandable, guillom. Does https://live.gnome.org/OutreachProgramForWomen#For_Mentors help at all?
[15:25:19] <Mugii>	 sumanah, guillom, would I require to do another microtask if I pick another project?
[15:25:21] <guillom>	 sumanah: somewhat; going through that now
[15:25:21] <sumanah>	 I know it doesn't have the dates, as those are in a different part of the document.
[15:25:48] <sumanah>	 Mugii: I think you might, yes; part of the point of the preliminary task is to check your suitability for a particular project
[15:26:23] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Prefix index search and namespaces in Special:Withoutinterwiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/10049  +comment (10Paul Selitskas)
[15:28:22] <Mugii>	 Thanks sumanah
[15:28:29] <sumanah>	 Sure
[15:28:43] <sumanah>	 remind me, Mugii - what other open source projects have you contributed to before?
[15:28:59] <sumanah>	 (if you have)
[15:29:06] <Mugii>	 I have contributed a patch to OpenMRS before
[15:29:52] <Mugii>	 And I also work on improving Kuali Financial System for Strathmore University, here in Kenya
[15:29:58] <hashar>	 Tpt: I am not sure the parser tests will probably work though
[15:30:20] <sumanah>	 Was this all in Java?
[15:30:21] <hashar>	 Tpt: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35628
[15:30:50] <josh__>	 Hi! So, I wanted to enable uploads only for admnistrator. Since I didn't have the line for group permission, I just added it after the automatically generated commands in LocalSettings.php . I added "$wgGroupPermission ['administrator']['upload'] = true". I get an error on line 144 in LocalSettings.php. Any help?
[15:31:00] <Mugii>	 sumanah: yes. almost all of my experience is in java
[15:31:28] <sumanah>	 josh__: what version of MediaWiki?
[15:31:35] <wizardist>	 and what kind of error
[15:31:36] <josh__>	 the last
[15:31:56] <sumanah>	 Mugii: have you ever looked at PHP?  You know that MediaWiki is mostly in PHP
[15:32:25] <sumanah>	 also, Mugii, in your application, it would probably be good for you to point to things you've written in English, especially on technical topics
[15:32:36] <sumanah>	 if you've done technical writing before, that'll be a big plus
[15:32:48] <sumanah>	 (this is assuming you decide to go for one of the communications projects)
[15:33:03] <josh__>	 wait a moment, I'm gonna post the error message
[15:34:53] <sumanah>	 josh__: if it's very long, pastebin is preferred
[15:34:53] <Mugii>	 I know MediaWiki is mostly in PHP, that's why I didn't pick any of the programming projects. :)
[15:34:54] <sumanah>	 !pastebin
[15:34:54] <wm-bot>	 Please do not paste more than 2-3 lines of text into the channel as it disrupts the flow of conversation. When sharing multiple lines of code, please use a pastebin such as <http://dpaste.com/> or <http://p.defau.lt/> and post a link to your paste in the channel.
[15:35:20] <josh__>	 "Parse error: syntax error, unexpected end of file in C:\xampp\htdocs\oceanwiki\w\LocalSettings.php on line 144" . The last lines of my code are here http://dpaste.org/4EK5S/
[15:35:34] <sumanah>	 oh never mind! you're on it josh__ 
[15:35:34] <wizardist>	 josh__: you forgot the semicolon
[15:35:40] <Isarra>	 josh__: Did you remember a semicolon?
[15:35:40] <Mugii>	 Thanks sumanah, I'll do that
[15:35:42] <Isarra>	 Oh.
[15:35:45] * sumanah  jumps in

[15:35:49] <sumanah>	 semicolons are awesome, josh__ 
[15:35:53] <wizardist>	 :)
[15:36:16] * sumanah  is happy, 2 identical answers are better than none

[15:36:19] <Isarra>	 Dude, I meant to say that five minutes ago. What happened?
[15:36:32] <josh__>	 Simply a semicolon? Whoa, thought I would have had to leave the whole thing! :)
[15:36:46] <Isarra>	 At least your brain is working and there is a solution.
[15:36:57] <Isarra>	 Mine clearly ain't.
[15:37:14] <josh__>	 Thanks! It works.
[15:37:27] <sumanah>	 yay!
[15:38:14] <sumanah>	 Mugii: so, have you taken a look through our codebase at all?
[15:38:52] <sumanah>	 the communications tasks aren't programming tasks but they still require some ability to look at our architecture https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:MediaWiki_architecture and our various components and figure out how they work together.
[15:39:47] <sumanah>	 also, Mugii, let me know if you have to go and we can finish the discussion over email.
[15:40:21] <Isarra>	 Is it easy to bribe random people to write extensions?
[15:40:30] <sumanah>	 Define bribe & random
[15:40:38] <sumanah>	 it's often easier to bribe yourself
[15:40:52] <sumanah>	 you can pay Wikiworks & other consulting companies to write MW extensions for you
[15:40:59] <sumanah>	 this is, like, legally contractual and everything
[15:41:02] <sumanah>	 Hallowelt is another
[15:41:28] <Isarra>	 Hmmm, now that's a thought.
[15:42:02] <Mugii>	 sumanah: I have done some reading on the MediaWiki architecture but I haven't checked out the code yet. I could do that this evening
[15:42:29] <josh__>	 but now: uploads don't work. I'm an administrator, but it says me that uploads are disabled. (Sorry, first time I install a Wiki). Do I have to enable uploads by putting true instead of fals to $wgEnableUploads? For what I know, this would enable uploads for everyone. What's wrong? If you want, I can put all tmy LocalSettings.php here (obviously withoud DB information :-))
[15:42:33] <sumanah>	 at any given moment there are often about 5-10 people floating around the MediaWiki community whom you could potentially interest in working on a project, but as is often the case, the real question is how badly you need the functionality/when/how high-quality you need it to be
[15:43:13] <sumanah>	 Mugii:  Good idea. You might want to try https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Gadget_kitchen/Training as well, just to get a taste of how to customize your Wikipedia experience.  Works on all WMF wikis.
[15:43:16] <sumanah>	 (I think.)
[15:43:31] <sumanah>	 "WMF wikis" here -- Mugii do you understand what I mean when I refer to that set?
[15:45:25] <Tpt>	 hashar:I've created a new patch tha move current LabeledSectionTransclusion.php to LabeledSectionTransclusion.body.php
[15:45:46] <hashar>	 Tpt: we are talking about it in #wikimedia-dev with Reedy 
[15:45:50] <hashar>	 Tpt: proposed change is https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35631
[15:45:55] <Reedy>	 heh
[15:46:11] <josh__>	 ??
[15:46:16] <sumanah>	 (back in a few minutes)
[15:46:28] <anomie>	 josh__- To enable uploads, you have to set $wgEnableUploads to true. If you want to prevent anyone except certain groups from uploading, just don't give them the 'upload' right.
[15:47:40] <Mugii>	 sumanah: I'm guessing it's all the different Wikimedia foundation projects webpages? 
[15:47:57] <josh__>	 ok, for now I have only 4 groups: administrator, burecreaut, user and public. Which is higher: administrator (me) or burecreaut (I see I'm in both)
[15:47:59] <josh__>	 ?
[15:48:34] <MatmaRex>	 jorm: bureaucrats usually have the ability to give administrator rights
[15:48:38] <MatmaRex>	 agh
[15:48:41] <MatmaRex>	 josh__: ^
[15:49:08] <anomie>	 josh__- Neither is really "higher", it just all depends on which rights you assign them. Usually bureaucrats have rights that would make them be considered "higher", though.
[15:49:32] <josh__>	 I haven't set anything as user rights before-so I think burecreauts are higher
[15:50:29] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) Documentation is awful - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39979  +comment (10Sage Ross)
[15:51:03] <MatmaRex>	 josh__: there is [[Special:UserGroupRights]] where you can view all the groups and thei rights on your wiki
[15:51:09] <anomie>	 ^ Is "Documentation is awful" really fixed? ;)
[15:51:19] <MatmaRex>	 josh__: (just visit that page on your wiki)
[15:51:31] <Isarra>	 anomie: Never. 
[15:51:33] <MatmaRex>	 anomie: let's file a bug to make wikibugs show the component.
[15:52:01] <MatmaRex>	 anomie: also a bug to make it shut up after it posts five messages during 60 seconds
[15:52:19] <MatmaRex>	 anomie: and another to fix the display of user full names / e-mail parts when modding / creating a bug
[15:52:29] <MatmaRex>	 i've filed like three bugs today already
[15:52:47] <Isarra>	 Can we just make an entirely new interface for bugzilla?
[15:52:57] <anomie>	 I see bug 1 is still open
[15:52:59] <anomie>	 !b 1
[15:52:59] <wm-bot>	 https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1
[15:53:14] <Ulfr>	 Isarra: You get started. Come on back when it starts to suck :P
[15:53:17] <Isarra>	 Because as far as I can tell (which isn't very far, admittedly), that's the primary problem with the entire thing. The rest seems fine.
[15:53:40] <Isarra>	 Ulfr: Unfortunately the guy I'd have implement it doesn't know perl.
[15:53:41] <sumanah>	 sorry, back
[15:53:46] <MatmaRex>	 Isarra: entirely new interface would be overkill. the current one is mostly fine, although it could be better
[15:53:53] <sumanah>	 Mugii: not quite!
[15:53:58] <MatmaRex>	 Isarra: it's very power-user-oriented, but some like it (i do)
[15:54:03] <Ulfr>	 Isarra: I was mostly funning. I just hate skinning
[15:54:05] <sumanah>	 Mugii: check out www.wikimedia.org
[15:54:09] <Isarra>	 What's fine about it? I mean, beyond the fact that it renders and all the stuff is... somewhere.
[15:54:26] <Ulfr>	 Do you do much coding Isarra?
[15:54:32] <MatmaRex>	 Isarra: well, what's wrng about it? i see no obvious problems myself.
[15:54:42] <Isarra>	 But since all the bits are there, rearranging it a bit could make all the difference.
[15:54:44] <MatmaRex>	 anomie: i'm gonna go file these bugs, unless you want to
[15:54:48] <Isarra>	 Ulfr: Not really.
[15:54:59] <anomie>	 MatmaRex- go ahead
[15:55:04] <MatmaRex>	 hm, is it possible to batch-file bugs?
[15:55:18] <josh__>	 What do I have to set to let public modify, but not create articles?
[15:55:38] <MatmaRex>	 anomie: want to be cc'd?
[15:55:48] <Isarra>	 MatmaRex: It's just not very human-friendly. Like the components not being shown with the summary, the massively list of poorly-labelled options everyone just skips over, the need to comment when making a change so people know the change was made...
[15:55:52] <Ulfr>	 Isarra: There's your problem. A lot of interfaces for stuff like Bugzilla are unintuitive for folks who aren't coders. Not trying to imply you're stupid, just that when I'm looking for a button I think about where I'd put it if it was my software, and voila
[15:56:27] <sumanah>	 Mugii: it's all the sites, not just pages
[15:56:33] <anomie>	 MatmaRex- On the component one, sure. I might actually try to fix that one someday. On the others, not particularly.
[15:56:34] <Isarra>	 Ulfr: It's unintuitive to everyone. Folks who use it get used to it, but they still skip right over the stuff at the top half the time just because of the design.
[15:56:42] <drumer306>	 hi all ! is there some setting I need to enable to get collapseable divs / tabels working ?
[15:56:49] <sumanah>	 hi there drumer306 
[15:56:59] <drumer306>	 the default example code doesnt seem to work
[15:57:01] <josh__>	 ??
[15:57:01] <drumer306>	 hi sumanah
[15:57:03] <anomie>	 josh__- Give the public's user group 'edit' but not 'createpage', IIRC
[15:57:03] <wizardist>	 josh__: ['*]['createpage'] = false
[15:57:10] <josh__>	 thanks
[15:57:39] <sumanah>	 !collapse | drumer306 
[15:57:39] <wm-bot>	  drumer306 : http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Collapsible_tables
[15:57:47] <josh__>	 wait: ['*'] or ['*]
[15:57:49] <wizardist>	 josh__: if you want to forbid creating talk pages, then it's 'createtalk'. refer to http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:User_rights
[15:57:49] <josh__>	 ?
[15:57:56] <MatmaRex>	 jorm: ['*']
[15:57:59] <MatmaRex>	 josh__: ^
[15:58:10] <MatmaRex>	 damn, sorry jorm :P
[15:58:10] <wizardist>	 oh, i'm sorry
[15:58:17] <Isarra>	 Although it is fun that apparently the best way to search for a bug is to add a new one - if bugzilla doesn't show a duplicate, someone else will still merge them if it is...
[15:58:18] <wizardist>	 right, ['*']
[15:59:03] <wizardist>	 Isarra: I'm totally afraid of the moment, when some guy comes to bugzilla and marks my bug as duplicate >:)
[15:59:11] <drumer306>	 thanks sumanah,  I am totally noob here ,  I assume MediaWiki is a different build then wikipedia ?
[15:59:13] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) wikibugs should show the component the bug belongs to - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42502 normal; Wikimedia: wikibugs IRC bot; (matma.rex)
[15:59:40] <drumer306>	 i was looking at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Collapsible_tables
[15:59:44] <drumer306>	 but thats obviously wrong
[15:59:46] <Isarra>	 wizardist: Why be afraid? If that happens it means someone else has seen it too and cared enough to note it, and thus it's more likely someone will also bother to fix it!
[16:00:08] <Isarra>	 ...maybe.
[16:00:31] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) wikibugs should shut up after it posts too many messages in too little time - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42503 normal; Wikimedia: wikibugs IRC bot; (matma.rex)
[16:00:42] <Isarra>	 XD
[16:00:49] <Isarra>	 MatmaRex: Good one.
[16:01:08] <josh__>	 Thanks! works. You will here back of me if someone will create a page :)
[16:01:49] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) wikibugs should consistenly display either user full names / e-mail parts when modding / creating a bug - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42504 normal; Wikimedia: wikibugs IRC bot; (matma.rex)
[16:01:52] <sumanah>	 drumer306: are you interested in making collapsible tables on Wikipedia or on some other wiki?
[16:01:57] <drumer306>	 so is that a correct statement ?  MediaWiki is different than Wikipedia ? or is it the same but slightly different ?
[16:02:06] <MatmaRex>	 done ~
[16:02:09] <drumer306>	 or is wikipedia built on mediawiki ?
[16:02:19] <MatmaRex>	 drumer306: wikipedia built on mediawiki, yes
[16:02:23] <MatmaRex>	 drumer306: MediaWiki is the software
[16:02:33] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) dummy test file for LabeledSectionTransclusion - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42505 normal; Wikimedia: Testing Infrastructure; (hashar)
[16:02:36] <MatmaRex>	 drumer306: Wikipedia is the project (or shall I say, one of the projects)
[16:02:45] <drumer306>	 MatmaRex, so why would the Collapsible_tables on my above links not work in Media Wiki >?
[16:02:57] <josh__>	 mediawiki was built ONLY for Wikipedia. Then they decided to make it freely available for all those who want to make concorrence to Wikipedia :)
[16:02:58] <wizardist>	 WP is a site and a community, MW is a site engine
[16:03:00] <anomie>	 drumer306- Wikipedia runs a version of MediaWiki that might be up to 2 weeks behind "master", and is well ahead of the current release version (1.20). It also has numerous additional extensions installed (see [[Special:Version]]) and many, many customizations to various messages in the MediaWiki namespace.
[16:03:23] <Isarra>	 MediaWiki has a site and community too.
[16:03:26] <drumer306>	 so why is this documentation not working ? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Collapsible_tables
[16:03:31] <wizardist>	 Isarra: I didn't object that :)
[16:03:34] <drumer306>	 just trying to figure out where to go for docs
[16:03:45] <Isarra>	 Just saying.
[16:03:53] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) testextensions should find parsertests - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42506 normal; Wikimedia: Testing Infrastructure; (hashar)
[16:03:58] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) wikibugs should shut up after it posts too many messages in too little time - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42503  +comment (10Sumana Harihareswara)
[16:04:06] <wikibugs>	 03(ASSIGNED) testextensions should find parsertests - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42506  (10Antoine "hashar" Musso)
[16:04:17] <wikibugs>	 03(ASSIGNED) dummy test file for LabeledSectionTransclusion - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42505  (10Antoine "hashar" Musso)
[16:04:39] <sumanah>	 drumer306: when you say that the example code doesn't seem to work, could you be more specific?
[16:04:50] <sumanah>	 If you tell us what the error is then we can help you better
[16:05:24] <drumer306>	 there is no error, I am trying to use <div class="NavFrame collapsed"> ... </div> but it doesnt work
[16:05:32] <drumer306>	 there is no error just no expand / hide
[16:05:40] <drumer306>	 same thing for the documentation on the collapsible tables
[16:05:41] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) wikibugs should shut up after it posts too many messages in too little time - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42503  +comment (10Isarra)
[16:05:48] <drumer306>	 the only one that worked, was the link you sent me sumanah
[16:05:57] <drumer306>	 which was on the mediawiki site, not wikipedia
[16:06:31] <sumanah>	 drumer306: then it sounds like you should update the en.wikipedia.org documentation because it has fallen out of date.
[16:06:37] <Mugii>	 Thanks Sumanah. I'm very grateful. I'll read up on the resources you've provided and work on my application. I'm thinking of asking guillom for another microtask that would help me get a feel of the Weekly Development Project
[16:06:45] <anomie>	 drumer306- See the top of the enwiki page you keep linking: it says the necessary script is in MediaWiki:Common.js, which you would have to copy.
[16:06:50] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Text layer of DjVu files doesn't appear in Page namespace - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42466  +comment (10Tpt)
[16:06:51] <Ulfr>	 sumanah: Did I show you my funny api issue yet?
[16:06:55] <sumanah>	 Mugii: great!  thanks.
[16:07:01] <Mugii>	 Is that feasible with the remaining amount of time?
[16:07:11] <sumanah>	 Mugii:  I think it is. If you email guillom, cc me too?
[16:07:15] <sumanah>	 Ulfr: I don't recall!
[16:07:25] <anomie>	 sumanah- It's just that enwiki has two or three different ways of making collapsible tables, two of which only work on enwiki unless you copy the correct script ;)
[16:07:35] <valhallasw>	 hashar: ooh, gerrit on LST! :-)
[16:07:39] <valhallasw>	 er, jenkins
[16:07:41] <drumer306>	 anomie:  so that wouldnt be included, makes sense why it wont work. Where would I include that ?
[16:08:00] <sumanah>	 anomie: aha
[16:08:13] <Ulfr>	 sumanah: Oh, appendtext via the API creates really funky recursion.
[16:08:28] <sumanah>	 Ulfr: does that cause a potential security or performance risk, btw?
[16:08:28] <Ulfr>	 Was extremely funny at the time, looked a bit like a fibronacci sequence on LSD
[16:08:49] <Ulfr>	 sumanah: I've got it locked up so tight it's not even funny.
[16:08:52] <anomie>	 drumer306- You'd copy the appropriate part of the script to MediaWiki:Common.js on your wiki. Or you could just use the new built-in collapsing code documented at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Collapsible_elements
[16:09:15] <Mugii>	 sumanah: Sure. Thanks. We'll talk more via email. Have a good day 
[16:09:19] <drumer306>	 anomie: going to use the new code, thanks
[16:09:37] <wizardist>	 can anyone help me to check parser test?
[16:09:39] <wizardist>	 !gerrit 35603
[16:09:39] <wm-bot>	 https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#q,35603,n,z
[16:11:17] <sumanah>	 bye Mugii!
[16:13:12] <MatmaRex>	 wizardist: you know where you can view the exact testing results?
[16:13:26] <MatmaRex>	 wizardist: at https://integration.mediawiki.org/ci/job/MediaWiki-GIT-Fetching/7995/, click '#9328' next to red dot
[16:13:39] <MatmaRex>	 then click 'ParserTests::testParserTest.testParserTest with data set #845' below 'Test Result'
[16:13:49] <MatmaRex>	 it looks like the same thing, so my bet would be line ending confusion
[16:13:58] <anomie>	 wizardist- Your test fails because the actual output has a non-breaking space while the expected output has a regular space.
[16:15:45] <anomie>	 It looks like either the Jenkins output or Firefox manages to screw that up, BTW
[16:16:30] <MatmaRex>	 anomie: it's Firefox, the page source is correct, showing non-breakable space
[16:16:41] <MatmaRex>	 anomie: interestingly, my Opera copies a regular space as well :(
[16:16:42] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) ExternalChangesList technical debt - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42507 normal; MediaWiki extensions: WikidataClient; (jeroen_dedauw)
[16:17:25] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Wrong language appears on site notice - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42069  +comment (10Mark Holmquist)
[16:20:08] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) After move with redirect properties are not set - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42508 normal; MediaWiki extensions: Semantic MediaWiki; (ad.strackvanschijndel)
[16:22:07] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Wrong language appears on site notice - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42069  +comment (10Peter Gehres)
[16:22:35] <Ulfr|Hiding>	 So, whose responsible for export output text being stored under the name '*'?
[16:25:29] <anomie>	 Ulfr- Yuri Astrakhan, probably. AFAICT it's sort of a side effect of the XML format, and '*' was used to indicate the content of the XML tag versus properties.
[16:27:06] <Ulfr>	 anomie: Think he'll help me code this javascript to not start frothing at the mouth when I use that as a variable name?
[16:27:53] <Ulfr>	 :P
[16:28:46] <MatmaRex>	 Ulfr: why would you do that ;_;
[16:29:06] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Prevent self-moderation of ArticleFeedback posts - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39818  +comment (10Matthias Mullie)
[16:29:06] <Ulfr>	 MatmaRex: Because appendtext requires Leonardo Decaprio to decode
[16:29:18] <Ulfr>	 and I need to append strings without creating a new section every time
[16:29:28] <MatmaRex>	 Ulfr: but why would you use that as a variable name ;_;
[16:29:43] <Ulfr>	 MatmaRex: Because that's what the XML export  has as a name for the actual page content
[16:30:29] <MatmaRex>	 i think you confounded me entirely now.
[16:30:57] <Ulfr>	 Okay, I'm using a JSON return format that gives me XML
[16:30:59] <MatmaRex>	 are we talking about the JSON outout from the /w/api.php API?
[16:31:08] <Ulfr>	 Si
[16:31:13] <anomie>	 Ulfr- Just name your variable something else. "var splat = data.query.revisions[0]['*'];" or whatever.
[16:31:15] <Isarra>	 The entire point of variables is that you can name them whatever and they refer to something else - so why can you not name the variable 'text' or 'content' or whatever when having it refer to the star stuff?
[16:31:26] <MatmaRex>	 ah, you push the JSON output thru a JSON->XML converter?
[16:31:43] <MatmaRex>	 why would you do *that* now while there is a native XML output format? D:
[16:31:55] <Ulfr>	 MatmaRex: Because XML scares me
[16:32:02] <Ulfr>	 anomie might've just saved my day though
[16:32:12] <MatmaRex>	 Ulfr: there is also YAML output, which is as close to plaintext as it gets
[16:32:49] <Ulfr>	 MatmaRex: Honestly I just want a function that takes a pagename as an argument and gives me the current revision's content
[16:32:56] <Ulfr>	 How I get from A to Q matters not
[16:33:35] <anomie>	 MatmaRex- YAML output is now the same as JSON, since April 2011 it looks like.
[16:34:44] <MatmaRex>	 whoops.
[16:35:42] <MatmaRex>	 anomie: this doesn't seem to be documented anywhere.
[16:36:00] <MatmaRex>	 anomie: or at least not at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/API:Data_formats#Output or at /w/api.php
[16:36:20] <MatmaRex>	 okay, there is " Output data in YAML formatOutput data in JSON format"
[16:36:30] <MatmaRex>	 which is a sentence that makes no sense
[16:36:48] <anomie>	 MatmaRex- YAML version 1.2 apparently changed things around so that for our purposes it's the same as JSON. Feel free to update the docs.
[16:41:48] <wikibugs>	 03(ASSIGNED) Set project/project talk and portal/portal talk namespace names for Bashkir Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42077  +comment (10Dereckson)
[16:42:55] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) EducationProgram: Fatal "Call to a member function getId() on a non-object" in EPTimelineGroup.php - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42509 critical; MediaWiki extensions: EducationProgram; (ragesoss)
[16:43:34] <Ulfr>	 anomie: You are my hero sir.
[16:43:57] <anomie>	 Ulfr- You're welcome. What did I do?
[16:44:39] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) ExternalChangesList technical debt - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42507  +comment (10Jeroen De Dauw)
[16:45:12] <anomie>	 MatmaRex- Hah. You want to fix that (looks like ApiFormatYaml's getDescription needs to manage to bypass ApiFormatJson's getDescription and call ApiFormatBase's directly instead), or should I?
[16:45:36] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) CentralNotice banners should exist in their own namespace - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31595  +comment (10Dereckson)
[16:47:09] <MatmaRex>	 anomie: i don't feel comfortable mucking around the api, go ahead please :)
[16:48:51] <anomie>	 !g 35644 | MatmaRex 
[16:48:51] <wm-bot>	  MatmaRex : https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#q,35644,n,z
[16:49:47] <MatmaRex>	 anomie: there is also yamlfm format, does this fit it as well?
[16:49:52] <anomie>	 MatmaRex- I was hoping you'd want to, so I could +2 it right away. ;)
[16:49:55] <MatmaRex>	 fix it*
[16:50:03] <anomie>	 MatmaRex- Yes, it does
[16:50:26] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) CentralNotice banners should exist in their own namespace - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31595  +comment (10Liangent)
[16:50:36] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Code coverage extremely low - technical debt - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42510 normal; MediaWiki extensions: WikidataClient; (jeroen_dedauw)
[16:50:38] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Merge wikimedia-copyrightwarning and wikimedia-editpage-tos-summary - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42491  +comment (10Dereckson)
[16:52:12] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) CentralNotice banners should exist in their own namespace - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31595  +comment (10Liangent)
[16:52:54] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Merge wikimedia-copyrightwarning and wikimedia-editpage-tos-summary - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42491  +comment (10Dereckson)
[16:54:18] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) CentralNotice banners should exist in their own namespace - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31595  +comment (10Liangent)
[16:55:38] <wikibugs>	 03(ASSIGNED) EducationProgram: Fatal "Call to a member function getId() on a non-object" in EPTimelineGroup.php - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42509  +comment (10Jeroen De Dauw)
[16:56:18] <Dereckson>	 Thank you liangent for the clarification.
[16:56:21] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) CentralNotice banners should exist in their own namespace - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31595  +comment (10Amgine)
[17:03:52] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) CentralNotice banners should exist in their own namespace - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31595  +comment (10Liangent)
[17:05:37] <liangent>	 Dereckson: :)
[17:10:10] <aracele>	 Hi guillom
[17:10:39] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Documentation for Gerrit on labs is almost as ugly as Gerrit itself - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35403  +comment (10Quim Gil)
[17:11:08] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) Missing qqq messages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41843  +comment (10Dereckson)
[17:13:08] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) [SMW][1.9.0] Tracking ticket - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41842  (10Dereckson)
[17:13:12] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Tracking bug (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/2007  (10Dereckson)
[17:22:17] <jeremyb>	 lwelling: why not just name the library explicitly?
[17:22:19] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) New aliases in RuWiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42511 normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (maxbiohazardous)
[17:24:36] <wikibugs>	 03(ASSIGNED) Translation of "Wikipedia" namespace to Buryat language (bxr.wikipedia) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41877  -shellpolicy +shell; +comment (10Dereckson)
[17:25:05] <jeremyb>	 ^demon: maybe i'm remembering wrong but I thought there was a thread 6-12 months ago where someone wanted to use MIT or BSD or something for all their extensions and they were told that's fine but they should find another place to host it
[17:25:29] <^demon>	 I don't remember this thread.
[17:25:39] <^demon>	 I know we've got non-GPL'd extensions in the repo.
[17:27:40] <DanielFriesen>	 jeremyb: You misremembering a thread?
[17:28:07] <RoanKattouw>	 VisualEditor is MIT-licensed *cough*
[17:28:13] <jeremyb>	 hah
[17:28:38] <DanielFriesen>	 jeremyb: I 'do' remember a thread at some point... but it wasn't about MIT/BSD. It was about someone who wanted to enforce some sort of contributor agreement.
[17:28:53] <jeremyb>	 hrmmmmmm
[17:29:05] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Wikipedia sends desktop site to Boot2Gecko (Firefox OS) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40919  +comment (10Faidon Liambotis)
[17:29:11] <jeremyb>	 that sounds possible
[17:29:19] <jeremyb>	 copyright grant i think
[17:29:50] <DanielFriesen>	 iirc one of those "It's BSD licensed, but you have to either hand over your copyright or let us re-license it as we please" kind of things.
[17:33:39] <lwelling>	 jeremyb the library is guiders.js
[17:35:12] <jeremyb>	 ahah
[17:36:18] <wikibugs>	 03(ASSIGNED) VisualEditor: Converter crashes if a page has a <span> element with a <p> elements - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42487  summary; +comment (10James Forrester)
[17:36:21] <lwelling>	 I was trying to delicately ask as I know licensing and GPL specifically is a political hot button for some people
[17:40:35] <marktraceur>	 lwelling: What was the question?
[17:40:51] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) EducationProgram: Fatal "Call to a member function getId() on a non-object" in EPTimelineGroup.php - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42509  +comment (10Jeroen De Dauw)
[17:43:42] <lwelling>	 marktraceur see email, or the tl;dr version is "Is everybody OK if I put an extension wrapping an apache2.0 licensed library under an apache2.0 license?"
[17:44:47] <wikibugs>	 03(ASSIGNED) New aliases in RuWiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42511  +comment (10Dereckson)
[17:45:14] <marktraceur>	 Ooh, that sure is controversial
[17:46:02] <marktraceur>	 lwelling: The VE team actually licensed their extension under MIT, and the Apache License is recommended by the FSF above MIT, so I'd imagine you're reaching what little compromise there is in this area
[17:49:27] <natbrown>	 Hi, I have upgraded my wiki reciently http://wikitranslate.org/wiki/special:Version - it's MediaWiki 	1.20.0 now. Many of the Special:SpecialPages don't work now. I can't find any information about it. :( http://wikitranslate.org/wiki/Special:BrokenRedirects - don't work - I need it to work very much. Can you help, please.  
[17:49:59] <Isarra>	 Did you run update.php?
[17:50:51] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) UW hangs with error in IE9 on test2 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42512 major; MediaWiki extensions: UploadWizard; (cmcmahon)
[17:51:53] <natbrown>	 I have it as a cron job, so I think it did run. I didn't check though.
[18:00:08] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) UW hangs with error in IE9 on test2 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42512  +comment (10Valerie Juarez)
[18:05:18] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Commons files *not* except from sync check - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41832  (10Bartosz Dziewoński)
[18:05:18] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Next wmf deployment (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38865  (10Bartosz Dziewoński)
[18:11:06] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Error uploading file [via API] with underscore in name - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/30924  +comment (10Bawolff)
[18:12:09] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) VisualEditor: Don't offer Edit button when user cannot edit page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42142  +comment (10Krinkle)
[18:12:15] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) VisualEditor: For December integration, don't replace the existing edit tab but instead just add one called "VisualEditor" if appropriate - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42221  +comment (10Krinkle)
[18:24:51] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) VisualEditor: Don't offer Edit button when user cannot edit page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42142  +comment (10James Forrester)
[18:24:59] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) mediawiki.Uri crashes in pages with '@' in their url - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42513 critical; MediaWiki: JavaScript; (krinklemail)
[18:25:01] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) VisualEditor: Integration fails if an article has an '@' character in its title - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42306  (10Krinkle)
[18:25:23] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) VisualEditor: Integration fails if an article has an '@' character in its title - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42306   +upstream; +comment (10Krinkle)
[18:25:41] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Translation of "Wikipedia" namespace to Buryat language (bxr.wikipedia) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41877  +comment (10Dereckson)
[18:30:00] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Error uploading file [via API] with underscore in name - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/30924  +comment (10Brad Jorsch)
[18:30:59] <hexmode>	 Reedy: see pm?
[18:35:55] * yuvipanda  very gently pokes Ryan_Lane about http/1.1 support

[18:36:16] <Ryan_Lane>	 yuvipanda: what do you mean?
[18:36:19] <Ryan_Lane>	 and why do you need it?
[18:36:34] <yuvipanda>	 Ryan_Lane: you replied in an email a while back about experimenting with nginx support for it?
[18:36:45] <Ryan_Lane>	 yeah
[18:36:45] <yuvipanda>	 Ryan_Lane: was working on mobile uploads, and chunked transfer would be wonderful
[18:36:47] <Ryan_Lane>	 what about it?
[18:36:49] <Ryan_Lane>	 ah
[18:37:09] <Ryan_Lane>	 changing that during the fundraiser probably isn't the best of ideas
[18:37:23] <Ryan_Lane>	 since they rely on https
[18:37:40] <yuvipanda>	 ah, makes sense!
[18:37:50] <yuvipanda>	 just poked to see where it's at, etc.
[18:38:00] <yuvipanda>	 should i just poke you after fundraiser is over?
[18:38:02] <Ryan_Lane>	 I honestly shouldn't have upgraded, but there was an SSL vulnerability
[18:38:04] <Ryan_Lane>	 yeah
[18:39:11] <yuvipanda>	 Ryan_Lane: :) Thanks!
[18:39:17] <Ryan_Lane>	 yw
[18:40:08] * yuvipanda  goes back to working on reports

[18:44:50] <wikibugs>	 14(DUP) wikibugs should consistenly display either user full names / e-mail parts when modding / creating a bug - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42504  +comment (10Krenair)
[18:44:51] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Wikibugs does not always report the real name instead of e-mail prefix when reporting on IRC - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/18831  +comment (10Krenair)
[18:47:03] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) remove unused field rc_cur_time from recentchanges table - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40667  +comment (10Umherirrender)
[18:47:38] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Next wmf deployment (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38865  +comment (10Chris McMahon)
[18:47:38] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) UW hangs with error in IE9 on test2 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42512  (10Chris McMahon)
[18:49:15] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Wikipedia sends desktop site to Boot2Gecko (Firefox OS) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40919  +comment (10Gervase Markham)
[18:50:21] <wikibugs>	 14(WFM) User account in an undisturbed session occasionally logs out - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/23295  +comment (10Krenair)
[18:53:03] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) www.wikimedia.org to include Wikivoyage and Wikidata - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42514 normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (sumanah)
[18:57:37] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) www.wikimedia.org to include Wikivoyage and Wikidata - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42514  +comment (10Krenair)
[19:00:27] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) New aliases in RuWiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42511  +comment (10Dereckson)
[19:05:19] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Echo doesn't work on SQLite - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41987   +schema-change; +comment (10Dereckson)
[19:05:41] <wikibugs>	 04(REOPENED) User account in an undisturbed session occasionally logs out - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/23295  +comment (10Nemo)
[19:06:02] <Nischay>	 aharoni: Hey, I could use some help here https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/32700
[19:07:30] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Enable editing in User_talk space on wts.wikivoyage-old.org and en.wikivoyage-old.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42515 normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (peter)
[19:08:02] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Invalid message parameter: LogFormatter.php - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42444  -i18n  (10Dereckson)
[19:08:16] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Code quality issues (and other stuff that sucks) (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/700  (10Jeroen De Dauw)
[19:08:20] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) ExternalChangesList technical debt - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42507  (10Jeroen De Dauw)
[19:08:20] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Code coverage extremely low - technical debt - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42510  (10Jeroen De Dauw)
[19:08:44] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) New aliases in RuWiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42511  +comment (10MaxBioHazard)
[19:10:14] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Code quality issues (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/700  summary (10Dereckson)
[19:11:26] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) wikidata.org not in the sites table - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42516 normal; MediaWiki extensions: WikidataRepo; (aude.wiki)
[19:15:06] <Skizzerz>	 hmm, I need to rebase my changes since jenkins is running into a merge conflict, but the guide I'm attempting to follow https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Gerrit/resolve_conflict doesn't work, in the sense that git review -d <id> is giving me Permission denied (publickey)
[19:15:35] <Skizzerz>	 yet the key I'm using works just fine for pushing to gerrit for review =\
[19:17:03] <sumanah>	 Skizzerz: that is odd. Hmm. Are you also having this kind of problem on git pull?
[19:17:08] <sumanah>	 (I'm guessing no)
[19:17:10] <Skizzerz>	 no
[19:17:28] <Skizzerz>	 digging into the source for git review, I think I found out why
[19:17:34] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) "http-curl-error" when uploading from Flickr - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42468  +comment (10Nischay Nahata)
[19:18:00] <Skizzerz>	 it's shelling out an ssh process, but since I'm on Windows I have my key loaded via pageant instead of ssh-agent, so that process isn't getting my private key
[19:18:40] <sumanah>	 Skizzerz: have you tried upgrading git-review by the way?
[19:18:46] <sumanah>	 I think there's an upgrade available
[19:18:52] <sumanah>	 but that might be irrelevant to this
[19:18:55] <Skizzerz>	 yeah, looking into that, pip doesn't work on windows either :P
[19:19:00] <Skizzerz>	 at least my install doesn't
[19:19:25] <MatmaRex>	 Skizzerz: is it doing this when installing the hook?
[19:19:34] <Skizzerz>	 nah, I already installed the hook
[19:19:37] <MatmaRex>	 Skizzerz: without ssh-agent, it should just ask you for the key
[19:19:48] <Skizzerz>	 I'm trying to run the command sequence in the aforementioned link
[19:20:01] <sumanah>	 sorry I can't help you out, Skizzerz 
[19:20:10] <Skizzerz>	 i'll figure it out
[19:20:27] <mutante>	 you got that Windows instruction page already?  http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Git/Workflow#Windows
[19:20:36] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) in IE link to feedback page requires two clicks to navigate - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42517 normal; MediaWiki extensions: ArticleFeedbackv5; (cmcmahon)
[19:21:45] <Ulfr>	 MatmaRex: Hey man, I'm stuck on the verge of a very deep rabbit hole and I'm hoping you can help me avoid it
[19:22:02] <Ulfr>	 After I run a query in jQuery, the results are stuck in the ok: function, how can I get my value out?
[19:22:02] <Skizzerz>	 mutante: Everything else already works on windows, including pushing to gerrit. The issue isn't with the setup, it's with git-review sucking at being cross-platform
[19:22:20] <Nischay>	 hmm, its a pity I have to test things on IE
[19:22:21] <MatmaRex>	 Ulfr: why do you need to get the value out? put your processing inside :D
[19:22:29] <mutante>	 Skizzerz: gotcha, just making sure
[19:22:43] <Ulfr>	 MatmaRex: That's... yucky. Would require branching logic that is messy
[19:22:47] * RoanKattouw  pokes gerrit-wm

[19:23:19] <Ulfr>	 Suppose it is the easiest way to skin this particular cat
[19:23:31] <MatmaRex>	 Ulfr: uh, why?
[19:23:40] <MatmaRex>	 Ulfr: you could assing it to aglobal variable or something
[19:23:43] <MatmaRex>	 but that would be ugly
[19:23:47] <Ulfr>	 MatmaRex: Agreed.
[19:23:52] <MatmaRex>	 or do a sychronous request
[19:23:56] <MatmaRex>	 but that would be even worse
[19:24:03] <Ulfr>	 MatmaRex: Effectively I've got three functions at the moment, but I'm only doing one aspect of functionality
[19:24:04] <MatmaRex>	 synchronous*
[19:24:16] <Ulfr>	 I have to read the contents of a page, muck with the contents, and then write them
[19:24:26] <MatmaRex>	 Ulfr: you've got to get used to callback "trees" when using ajax
[19:24:36] <Ulfr>	 but there are several different things I'd need to do with that data once i know what hte hell I'm doing, and rewriting the read function over and over seems inefficient
[19:25:15] <natbrown>	 Isarra: Thank you for your advice. I needed to run updateSpecialPages.php The wiki is working fine now :)
[19:25:19] <MatmaRex>	 Ulfr: you can put the entire logic in the callback, including doing more requests with more callbacjs
[19:25:57] <MatmaRex>	 that's how it's usually done afaik
[19:26:00] <Ulfr>	 MatmaRex: Yeah, I was afraid of that. I end arounded the problem the first time  by using hidden inputs as mutli-step buffers
[19:26:19] <MatmaRex>	 Ulfr: or you could look into promises in jquery, but i don't know how that stuff works, never used it
[19:26:37] <Skizzerz>	 yep, using git bash with ssh-agent "fixed" it >_>
[19:26:49] <Ulfr>	 Blech. I'll just do callback trees
[19:26:54] <Ulfr>	 Project name? Evergreen.
[19:27:08] <MatmaRex>	 Skizzerz: it is sorta kinda possible to get ssh-agent running in plain cmd
[19:27:27] <MatmaRex>	 Skizzerz: by which i mean, i did it, and i hope never to have to do it again ;)
[19:27:31] <Skizzerz>	 I don't plan on having to rebase all that much, so I'll pass :P
[19:29:06] <MatmaRex>	 Skizzerz: should you want to do it some day: `ssh-agent cmd /k ssh-add C:\DOCUME~1\a\.ssh\id_rsa`, where that last part is the location of your ssh key
[19:29:16] <MatmaRex>	 and ssh-agent and ssh-add are assumed to exist in PATH
[19:29:30] <MatmaRex>	 it'll spawn a new cmd shell, inside of which ssh-agent will work
[19:29:41] <Ulfr>	 ... wouldn't it be easier to install a little vm with ubuntu on it?
[19:29:45] <MatmaRex>	 at least that's what it does for me ;)
[19:30:02] <MatmaRex>	 Ulfr: i like windows' batch files format in the same way i like brainfuck
[19:30:41] <velcrobots>	 my web server is running php 5.3.17
[19:30:42] <Ulfr>	 MatmaRex: I know, that's why you end around the problem with that vm :D
[19:30:43] <MatmaRex>	 Ulfr: it's just incredibly satisfying to get it to work
[19:30:48] <Ulfr>	 Ah.
[19:30:49] <velcrobots>	 new version needs 5.3.2 right?
[19:30:59] <Ulfr>	 velcrobots: Be careful, thar be dragons
[19:31:14] <velcrobots>	 ulfr: lol dragons huh
[19:31:23] <Ulfr>	 velcrobots: I updated my webserver to 5.3.2
[19:31:26] <Ulfr>	 then PCRE didn't work
[19:31:33] <Ulfr>	 then I found out CentOS doesn't like PCRE
[19:31:39] <Ulfr>	 then I got to hotswap my whole array to ubuntu on the fly
[19:31:42] <velcrobots>	 well i dont have much control over it anyway
[19:31:50] <velcrobots>	 its shared hosting
[19:32:17] <velcrobots>	 we use Pantheon for all our drupal sites so i told mgmt to buy a cheap shared hosting acct for the other stuff, like mwiki
[19:32:25] <velcrobots>	 and they got a cheap one alright lol
[19:32:50] <velcrobots>	 so cani just grab a mwiki from one or two versions ago?
[19:33:16] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Method Message::__toString() must not throw an exception in SpecialContributions.php - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39398  +comment (10Umherirrender)
[19:33:28] <velcrobots>	 sorry closed by mistake
[19:33:56] <Ulfr>	 xD yeah, you're safe doing that
[19:34:10] <Ulfr>	 MatmaRex: So wait, you prefer the extra masochistic satisfaction from batch files and brainfuck?
[19:34:13] <Ulfr>	 You're crazy.
[19:35:13] <wk>	 hello?
[19:35:31] <MatmaRex>	 Ulfr: :D
[19:35:34] <Guest67035>	 ok
[19:35:41] <MatmaRex>	 Guest21470: hello there
[19:36:03] <velcrobots>	 stupid question.  to reply to one of you guys, i'm doing it right?  the name followed by a colon?  like wk:
[19:36:25] <Guest67035>	 hi, does anyone have any idea where to start when it comes to integrating a tab from an external server to mediawiki?
[19:36:30] <MatmaRex>	 velcrobots: yes, this will usually highlight the line in people's IRC clients
[19:36:36] <MatmaRex>	 velcrobots: or play a sound orsomething
[19:36:45] <velcrobots>	 ok just wanted to make sure.  thx
[19:37:11] <Guest67035>	 er...?
[19:37:11] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) UW hangs with error in IE9 on test2 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42512  +comment (10Nischay Nahata)
[19:37:46] <Guest67035>	 does anybody have a link for explanation of some of the mediawiki doc because its a bit confusing.
[19:38:02] <MatmaRex>	 Guest21470: which part of the docs?
[19:38:16] <MatmaRex>	 Guest21470: also, what do you mean "integrating a tab"?
[19:38:32] <Guest67035>	 Oh I'm actually Guest67035
[19:38:40] <MatmaRex>	 uh
[19:38:44] <Guest67035>	 does it show me as 21470 for some reason?
[19:38:56] <MatmaRex>	 Guest67035: no, that's just my tab autocompletion being silly
[19:38:58] <Krenair>	 Probably just MatmaRex auto-correcting too fast without checking the name :)
[19:39:13] <MatmaRex>	 Guest67035: you can change you nick by typing /nick newnick
[19:39:28] <Guest67035>	 k, thx
[19:40:19] <MaxSem>	 !seen Reedy
[19:40:22] <Nightvein>	 ok, as far as integrating a tab I technically already did that, I guess are there any libraries in particular that deal with what I am trying to do
[19:40:37] <Nightvein>	 I'll give a broad overview of the goal
[19:41:28] <Nightvein>	 essentially I am creating a digital map and where I can create markers and then those markers will show up in a list format under a tab and each of those markers will be linked to their own mediawiki page
[19:41:56] <Nightvein>	 I've already created the tab itself just not the functionality behind it 
[19:42:01] <Nightvein>	 as far as integration goes
[19:42:54] <Nightvein>	 I don't know if this is just a simple javascript type of process or if I need to use MediaWiki specific api
[19:43:37] <sumanah>	 wow, interesting project
[19:43:57] <Nightvein>	 thx
[19:44:15] <Ulfr>	 sumanah: I found it! this is what happens when I append text
[19:44:16] <Ulfr>	 http://wikidoc.org/index.php?title=User:Matt_Pijoan/GroundZero&oldid=799276
[19:44:31] <sumanah>	 annotating a map with links to wiki pages is a cool idea, Nightvein - can you show us what you've done so far? code or a demo site?
[19:44:32] <Nightvein>	 so...anybody have any suggestions?
[19:44:51] <Nightvein>	 uh not really, its sort of an internal project
[19:45:02] <Nightvein>	 that I am taking over
[19:45:06] <Nightvein>	 with little documentation
[19:45:16] <sumanah>	 that's too often the case :/
[19:45:25] <sumanah>	 so, a few quick questions:
[19:45:26] <Nightvein>	 yeah unfortunately
[19:45:35] <sumanah>	 have you done web development/programming before?
[19:45:40] <sumanah>	 what version of MediaWiki are you using?
[19:45:44] <Nightvein>	 a little bit
[19:45:58] <Nightvein>	 the framework was somewhat in place so I just added a tab with a drop down
[19:46:16] <Nightvein>	 this is a digital map mainly done in javascript
[19:46:20] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) VisualEditor: For December integration, don't replace the existing edit tab but instead just add one called "VisualEditor" if appropriate - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42221  (10James Forrester)
[19:46:21] <Nightvein>	 jquery, etc.
[19:46:28] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) VisualEditor: Don't offer Edit button when user cannot edit page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42142  (10James Forrester)
[19:46:56] <sumanah>	 People have created gadgets, extensions, and widgets that do some kind of integration between a MediaWiki site and some external service
[19:47:28] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) New aliases in RuWiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42511  +comment (10Dereckson)
[19:47:41] <sumanah>	 Nightvein: btw do you know what all those 3 things are?
[19:47:45] <sumanah>	 (in MediaWiki jargon)
[19:47:57] <Nightvein>	 yes
[19:49:11] * sumanah  looks at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:GoogleMapExtension

[19:49:55] <sumanah>	 so Nightvein if you want every user to see a particular tab in the interface, like, next to Edit and View History and so on, you'll be changing the skin
[19:49:58] <sumanah>	 !skinning 
[19:49:59] <wm-bot>	 http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Skins>. Skin usage: <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Skins>. Gallery of CSS styles: <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Gallery_of_user_styles>. Writing your own: http://blog.redwerks.org/2012/02/08/mediawiki-skinning-tutorial/ and the historical archive <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Skinning>
[19:50:04] <sumanah>	 most likely
[19:50:15] <sumanah>	 or Common.css or Common.js right?
[19:50:21] <Nightvein>	 ok, thx I'll look into that
[19:50:46] <sumanah>	 Nightvein: also skim https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Gadget_kitchen/Training and https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Gadget_kitchen for a sense of how to play with changing your view of a wiki page to include a new tab
[19:50:58] <Nightvein>	 ok, thx
[19:51:15] <sumanah>	 also Nightvein you should probably be on https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-announce if you are not already
[19:52:16] <Skizzerz>	 yay, build successful!
[19:52:27] <Skizzerz>	 just need to wait for the reviews now
[19:52:28] <sumanah>	 marktraceur: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki_developer_meetings now includes that video BTW
[19:52:38] <marktraceur>	 Cool!
[19:53:07] <Skizzerz>	 it appears the bots that announce changesets all disappeared
[19:53:34] <MatmaRex>	 the channel became noticable more peaceful.
[19:53:41] <sumanah>	 and less informative.
[19:53:55] <sumanah>	 I think RoanKattouw was looking to reactivate that bot
[19:54:48] <sumanah>	 harej: you might enjoy https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/File:Join_a_Wikimedia_Hackathon.ogv which includes some photos from your Wikimania
[19:55:33] <harej>	 cheers
[19:58:12] <^demon>	 Hmm, gerrit-wm is silence?
[19:58:39] <^demon>	 Wonder why. It's working on other channels.
[19:58:41] <marktraceur>	 ^demon: It restarted itself recently, but has been active in #mediawiki-parsoid
[19:59:11] <^demon>	 Yeah, it's active elsewhere.
[19:59:15] <^demon>	 Wonder why it's silent here.
[19:59:19] <Skizzerz>	 not banned as far as I can tell
[19:59:32] <^demon>	 We had this problem one day last week. Kicking it made it work.
[19:59:46] <Skizzerz>	 will it rejoin automatically?
[20:00:10] <^demon>	 I'm restarting it now
[20:00:11] <Skizzerz>	 that works too I suppose
[20:00:12] <Skizzerz>	 :P
[20:00:28] <^demon>	 I meant kicking it on manganese :)(
[20:00:36] <sumanah>	 multichill: hi there!
[20:01:02] <sumanah>	 welcome back bot
[20:01:10] <sumanah>	 (Welcome Back Botter)
[20:01:10] <multichill>	 sumanah: Hmm, didn't see you here
[20:01:14] <multichill>	 I'm online on skype
[20:01:17] <sumanah>	 multichill: I lurk in plain sight!
[20:01:27] <sumanah>	 multichill: as am I! I shall Message you
[20:02:06] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Commons files *not* except from sync check - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41832  (10Rob Lanphier)
[20:02:07] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Next wmf deployment (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38865  (10Rob Lanphier)
[20:11:28] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Commons files *not* except from sync check - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41832  +comment (10Andre Klapper)
[20:16:18] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) EducationProgram: Fatal "Call to a member function getId() on a non-object" in EPTimelineGroup.php - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42509  +comment (10Jeroen De Dauw)
[20:17:20] <robla>	 Nischay|Away: you aren't around, are you?
[20:18:27] <robla>	 gar...no kaldari either
[20:18:27] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) UW hangs with error in IE9 on test2 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42512  major->04CRIT (10Andre Klapper)
[20:18:40] <saper>	 Ryan_Lane: would that be feasible to get some LDIF dump of portions of labs LDAP relevant to Gerrit? (anonymized users + groups)?
[20:18:49] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) UW hangs with error in IE9 on test2 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42512  (10Rob Lanphier)
[20:18:54] <marktraceur>	 Pff, kaldari is never around.
[20:19:17] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) UW hangs with error in IE9 on test2 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42512  (10Rob Lanphier)
[20:19:39] <robla>	 alright, we 
[20:19:58] <marktraceur>	 robla: He's in -staff, I've summoned him
[20:20:00] <robla>	 we've gotta come up with a better protocol for blockers
[20:20:12] <kaldari>	 howdy
[20:20:29] <chrismcmahon>	 robla: that UW one came up fast
[20:21:09] <chrismcmahon>	 robla: a user reported it today just about the time zeljkof and I were figuring out that browser tests were failing because of it.
[20:24:42] <kaldari>	 you rang?
[20:25:58] <marktraceur>	 robla: ^
[20:26:20] <robla>	 kaldari: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42512
[20:26:43] <robla>	 kaldari: that's blocking the 1.21wmf5 deployment
[20:27:32] <robla>	 (of course, the fact that we can't scap is a bigger blocker, but eventually, this will be a problem)
[20:29:14] <RoanKattouw>	 robla: Why can we not scap?
[20:29:26] <robla>	 RoanKattouw: see #wikimedia-operations
[20:30:09] <robla>	 in short, Chad and Aaron and quite possibly others are getting fingerprint prompt when they scap/sync*
[20:30:15] <RoanKattouw>	 Oh, right
[20:30:26] <RoanKattouw>	 That's probably due to precise upgrades, get notpeter to verify
[20:30:39] <RoanKattouw>	 And check where the bad fingerprints originate, it might be in the user's own ~/.ssh
[20:30:57] <robla>	 ^demon: we should probably hold off on the deployment anyway until we know what to do about bug 42512 anyway
[20:31:16] <^demon>	 I rolled commonswiki back to 1.21wmf4
[20:31:27] <robla>	 ^demon: oh, you were able to deploy?
[20:31:38] <^demon>	 No, but I edited wikiversions.dat for when we do
[20:31:45] <kaldari>	 I'll take a look at 42512
[20:31:57] * Krenair  is also taking a look

[20:32:29] <^demon>	 kaldari: If a fix gets merged to UploadWizard, we'll need to update the 1.21wmf5. Easy, but just fyi.
[20:32:46] <kaldari>	 ok
[20:33:11] <Krenair>	 It really looks like a case of just:
[20:33:13] <Krenair>	 -               if ( dateObj === undefined && this.upload.file.date !== undefined ) {
[20:33:13] <Krenair>	 +               if ( dateObj === undefined && this.upload.file !== undefined && this.upload.file.date !== undefined ) {
[20:35:17] <SQLDb>	 Any idea why editing MediaWiki:Monobook.css would not apply the CSS to the site? Tried a hard refresh etc.
[20:36:27] <MatmaRex>	 SQLDb: it's certainly cached somewhere
[20:36:44] <SQLDb>	 aye, did a purge etc
[20:36:46] <^demon>	 SQLDb: Asking the obvious...are you using the monobook skin and not vector?
[20:36:57] <MatmaRex>	 SQLDb: it could be cached outside of mediawiki
[20:37:02] <SQLDb>	 If I change my User:me/monobook.css the change applies
[20:37:08] <MatmaRex>	 SQLDb: in a proxy, in a squid or something, etc
[20:37:17] <MatmaRex>	 maybe ResourceLoader is cahcing it as well
[20:37:34] <kaldari>	 Krenair: yeah, looks like that's it
[20:37:38] <Ryan_Lane>	 saper: why do you need it?
[20:38:02] <Krenair>	 Hmm, I can test in IE8
[20:38:05] <Ryan_Lane>	 and yes, you can pull basically all of it from within labs with either the proxy agent or your own user
[20:39:01] <SQLDb>	 MatmaRex: is there a way to clear that cache? For ResourceLoader, that is?
[20:39:14] <wizardist>	 SQLDb: you can try ?debug=true as well
[20:39:45] <wizardist>	 at least you will know whether it's a caching issue)
[20:39:59] <SQLDb>	 good point
[20:40:37] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) describe integration/* git repository - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42518 normal; Wikimedia: Testing Infrastructure; (hashar)
[20:40:39] <MatmaRex>	 SQLDb: i usually just wait a few minutes until it purges itself
[20:40:54] <SQLDb>	 MatmaRex: been working on this for a couple days
[20:41:14] <wikibugs>	 03(ASSIGNED) describe integration/* git repository - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42518  normal->15enhancement (10Antoine "hashar" Musso)
[20:41:16] <Krenair>	 Ugh, why is ResourceLoader trying to pull from localhost/ despite wgServer using 192.168.1.243
[20:42:06] <Krenair>	 Oh it was in the CA config, of course...
[20:45:04] <Krenair>	 LOG: Exception thrown by ext.uploadWizard: 'UploadWizardConfig' is undefined
[20:45:29] <kaldari>	 testing in IE8 now...
[20:45:30] <marktraceur>	 Krenair: Reported already, I think....
[20:45:35] <Krenair>	 Not getting that on Chrome, just IE...
[20:45:41] <marktraceur>	 Oh, I see what's happening
[20:46:05] <chrismcmahon>	 Krenair: what host? that is https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=42512
[20:46:11] <marktraceur>	 Sorry, I get highlighted on "UploadWizard" and jumped in too quickly without reading context
[20:47:15] <Krenair>	 chrismcmahon, I haven't been able to get to that line in an error in IE yet
[20:47:35] <Krenair>	 just this UW cfg undefined error
[20:47:40] <AaronSchulz>	 marktraceur: seems you already merged an earlier version of https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/31218/ before it was reverted
[20:48:08] <kaldari>	 grr, it still says 'this.upload.file.date' is null or not an object, even with...
[20:48:09] <kaldari>	 if ( dateObj === undefined && typeof this.upload.file !== 'undefined' && typeof this.upload.file.date !== 'undefined' ) {
[20:48:15] <kaldari>	 stupid explorer
[20:48:27] <marktraceur>	 AaronSchulz: I think I've consistently decided that that commit wasn't something I could merge
[20:48:55] <AaronSchulz>	 ahh, you +1 it or something than siebrand merged based on that
[20:49:10] <AaronSchulz>	 *+1'ed
[20:49:18] <marktraceur>	 Hm
[20:49:30] <marktraceur>	 AaronSchulz: Which commit was it that got merged?
[20:49:43] <AaronSchulz>	 https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/10377/
[20:49:46] <Krenair>	 chrismcmahon, oh I see, the note at the bottom of the bug description
[20:50:40] <marktraceur>	 Yeah, that +1 was definitely meant to be a +1
[20:51:09] <marktraceur>	 AaronSchulz: Sorry about that, I didn't mean to suggest that I'd tested it exhaustively, just looked at the code
[20:52:15] <kaldari>	 making some progress...
[20:52:43] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Mobile redirect strips https - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35215  +comment (10Max Semenik)
[20:52:53] <SQLDb>	 wizardist / MatmaRex: hah! got it, apparently we had memcached set up wrong, and that caused it. 
[20:52:56] <AaronSchulz>	 kaldari: maybe you can cr https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/31218/1 ?
[20:53:22] <wizardist>	 as always, caching is the root of all evil
[20:53:27] <SQLDb>	 ayep
[20:53:54] <wikibugs>	 14(WFM) Special:MyCourses does not list any activity - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39534  +comment (10Sage Ross)
[20:55:17] <kaldari>	 debugging in browserstack is like dreaming in slow motion
[20:55:44] <kaldari>	 while someone is chasing you down a hallway with an axe :)
[20:56:20] <AaronSchulz>	 and bees are coming from every direction?
[20:56:28] <kaldari>	 OK, it's working now
[20:56:33] <kaldari>	 I'll check in the fix...
[20:57:29] <saper>	 Ryan_Lane: to test changes to gerrit on a ldap tree as close to WMF's as I can
[20:57:36] <Ryan_Lane>	 ah
[20:57:47] <Ryan_Lane>	 saper: on a labs instance: ldaplist -l
[20:57:58] <Raylton>	 guys... is there any way to use the mediawiki api with scribunto?
[20:58:03] <saper>	 Ryan_Lane: ok, I think I need to ask for labs access
[20:58:17] <Ryan_Lane>	 of course, you'll probably hit search limits
[20:58:42] <Ryan_Lane>	 saper: do you have gerrit access?
[20:58:47] <kaldari>	 the UploadWizard fix is merged now...
[20:58:54] <Ryan_Lane>	 if so, then I can quickly give you labs
[20:59:01] <kaldari>	 Do you guys want me to update wmf5 with it?
[20:59:23] <wizardist>	 IE fix?
[20:59:41] <kaldari>	 yeah
[20:59:51] <wizardist>	 we bow to thee
[20:59:53] <wizardist>	 :)
[21:00:23] <Ryan_Lane>	 saper: you have labs access
[21:00:33] <Ryan_Lane>	 I just added you to bastion
[21:00:39] <Ryan_Lane>	 you'll need to add your SSH key on labsconsole
[21:00:48] <Ryan_Lane>	 then you can ssh into bastion.wmflabs.org
[21:00:55] <Ryan_Lane>	 you can do ldapsearch or ldaplist from there
[21:00:57] <saper>	 Ryan_Lane: checking
[21:00:58] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) UW hangs with error in IE9 on test2 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42512  +comment (10Ryan Kaldari)
[21:01:25] <Ryan_Lane>	 saper: also, I could add you to the gerrit project
[21:01:28] <saper>	 Ryan_Lane: oh it works indeed
[21:01:31] <sberla`>	 hello
[21:01:34] <saper>	 Ryan_Lane: would be good!
[21:01:51] <sberla`>	 since I'm using mediawiki for my small project
[21:01:51] <Ryan_Lane>	 saper: ^demon already has a working gerrit development environment there
[21:02:00] <Ryan_Lane>	 you guys should coordinate
[21:02:07] <sberla`>	 now many users have registered but are spam
[21:02:10] <saper>	 Ryan_Lane: I think he wouldn't mind me joining to review his patches :)
[21:02:16] <Ryan_Lane>	 heh
[21:02:19] <saper>	 Ryan_Lane: The search returned an error.
[21:02:24] <saper>	 Ryan_Lane: (ldaplist -l)
[21:02:25] <Ryan_Lane>	 ugh
[21:02:26] <Ryan_Lane>	 right
[21:02:27] <sberla`>	 is there a way to delete all users to spam their wares
[21:02:32] <Ryan_Lane>	 I broke ldaplist
[21:02:34] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) www.wikimedia.org to include Wikivoyage and Wikidata - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42514  +comment (10Krenair)
[21:02:40] <Raylton>	 can anyone help me or point me to someone or somewhere where I can get help? please :) 
[21:02:51] <saper>	 Ryan_Lane: got sample args to ldapsearch? -b? bind etc.
[21:02:57] <Ryan_Lane>	 yeah. sec
[21:03:10] <saper>	 ah ldaplist has them inside, right?
[21:03:40] <Ryan_Lane>	 ldapsearch -ZZ -x -D cn=proxyagent,ou=profile,dc=wikimedia,dc=org -w '<password>' '<ldap-search-string>'
[21:03:50] <Ryan_Lane>	 you can find the proxyagent's password in /etc/ldap.conf
[21:04:36] <Ryan_Lane>	 bleh
[21:04:41] <Ryan_Lane>	 you're going to hit search limits
[21:05:11] <Ryan_Lane>	 let's see if ldapsearch can do multiple searches
[21:05:12] <saper>	 I don't need much, just structure of the object and few users, preferably from different groups
[21:06:06] <saper>	 ah, so those are good old' posixAccounts
[21:06:46] <kaldari>	 I'm setting up a wmf5 deployment branch to update it with the UW IE8 fix, but if anyone already has their deployment branch set up locally, they'll be able to do it a lot faster than me.
[21:07:03] <Ryan_Lane>	 ah. ok
[21:07:24] <Ryan_Lane>	 saper: then you should do a search from the top level with a scope of one
[21:07:27] <saper>	 ah, my "rxvt-256color" is unknown :)
[21:07:30] <Ryan_Lane>	 to find the dit
[21:07:39] <saper>	 copy that
[21:07:41] <Ryan_Lane>	 then search each ou for the objects
[21:07:49] <Ryan_Lane>	 it's also possible to use paged results
[21:09:00] <saper>	 got some basic output with base dc=wikimedia,dc=org
[21:09:05] <Ryan_Lane>	 here we go
[21:09:15] <Ryan_Lane>	 ldapsearch -LLL -E pr=500 -ZZ -x -D cn=proxyagent,ou=profile,dc=wikimedia,dc=org -w '<password>'
[21:09:31] <Ryan_Lane>	 that'll show you every single entry
[21:09:41] <Ryan_Lane>	 hooray for paged results
[21:09:55] <kaldari>	 wmf5 updated with UW IE8 patch
[21:09:55] <saper>	 \o/
[21:10:34] <Ryan_Lane>	 remember not to bring this data outside of labs :)
[21:11:26] <Ryan_Lane>	 oh. let me add you to gerrit
[21:11:33] <Ryan_Lane>	 ^demon: I'm adding saper to the gerrit project
[21:11:40] <^demon>	 k
[21:11:41] <kaldari>	 wmf5 updated on fenari
[21:11:46] <saper>	 thanks
[21:11:49] <saper>	 query runs
[21:12:00] <Ryan_Lane>	 saper: you should join #wikimedia-labs
[21:12:08] <Ryan_Lane>	 and subscribe to labs-l
[21:12:11] <saper>	 is bastion configuration somewhere in git?
[21:12:12] <Ryan_Lane>	 labs-l is low volume
[21:12:20] <Ryan_Lane>	 it's in puppet
[21:12:31] <Ryan_Lane>	 bastion is really only meant to be used as an ssh bastion
[21:12:53] <Ryan_Lane>	 doing simple queries and such on it won't hurt anything, though
[21:13:07] <Ryan_Lane>	 (it's in puppet, and puppet is in gerrit)
[21:13:18] <Ryan_Lane>	 the bastion is basically just a default install
[21:13:21] <saper>	 21:12 -!- Irssi: Channel #wikimedia-labs saved
[21:13:44] <saper>	 Ryan_Lane: yes, but I'd like to add definition of my terminal etc.
[21:13:53] <saper>	 maybe I can solve it in $HOME
[21:13:57] <Ryan_Lane>	 ah
[21:14:07] <Ryan_Lane>	 you can in your environment in home
[21:14:17] <saper>	 it's difficult to ssh to other hosts if the terminal definition is not right
[21:14:22] <Ryan_Lane>	 you have a different home directory in every project btw
[21:14:41] <Ryan_Lane>	 but instances in a project share home directories
[21:14:42] <saper>	 need to learn that && more
[21:15:04] <saper>	 how can I launch my own AMI? :)
[21:15:11] <^demon>	 saper: I just pushed PS5 <https://gerrit-review.googlesource.com/#/c/39140/> -- gets as far as adding the records to the database, but I end up with a stacktrace <http://p.defau.lt/?dITooqUYes3xJlzfrIlgaA> I've been banging my head against.
[21:15:17] <^demon>	 Building the latest and pushing to gerrit-dev
[21:15:24] <Ryan_Lane>	 saper: you'll be able to when I add you to gerrit
[21:15:30] <saper>	 yup got mail
[21:16:05] <saper>	 ^demon: looks like different definition of "keys"
[21:16:08] <wikibugs>	 03(ASSIGNED) Test mediawiki/core wmf branches in a different job - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42455  normal->major; +comment (10Antoine "hashar" Musso)
[21:16:13] <Ryan_Lane>	 saper: ok. I added you to gerrit project
[21:16:18] <saper>	 thanks
[21:16:18] <Ryan_Lane>	 you can create instances in there
[21:16:25] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Test mediawiki/core wmf branches in a different job - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42455  +comment (10Antoine "hashar" Musso)
[21:16:31] <^demon>	 saper: I was thinking that, but I'm still scratching my head.
[21:16:35] <Ryan_Lane>	 you should really join #wikimedia-labs, so that I can use my bot :)
[21:18:47] <^demon>	 saper: The gerrit-dev instance is totally puppetized like production. Also has maven installed for building.
[21:18:58] <^demon>	 Installed in the normal /var/lib/gerrit2/review_site/
[21:19:13] <Ryan_Lane>	 ^demon: can you walk him through creating a new instance for it? :)
[21:19:21] <Ryan_Lane>	 so that you guys don't clobber each other's work
[21:19:52] <saper>	 ^demon: nice
[21:20:05] <Ryan_Lane>	 yeah, ^demon did a good job with this
[21:20:08] <^demon>	 Ah, didn't see we'd moved to labs.
[21:20:10] <^demon>	 Let's move there.
[21:20:13] <Ryan_Lane>	 ok
[21:20:20] <saper>	 no IPv6 on bastion :(
[21:22:12] <kaldari_>	 you guys want to switch Commons back to wmf5 now, or were there any other bugs?
[21:22:41] <^demon>	 kaldari: Was the fix merged to 1.21wmf5?
[21:23:05] <kaldari>	 you guys want to switch Commons back to wmf5 now, or were there any other bugs?
[21:23:08] <Krenair>	 <kaldari> wmf5 updated with UW IE8 patch
[21:23:26] <kaldari>	 it's working on test.wiki now
[21:23:52] <chrismcmahon>	 kaldari: 
[21:24:14] <chrismcmahon>	 kaldari: hang on a sec, I think we just busted other wikis for IE in another way
[21:24:55] <chrismcmahon>	 kaldari: wikidata.org in IE9 right now looks like the screen shot in https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=42452
[21:25:23] <kaldari>	 yeah, I was seeing that on test.wiki too in IE8
[21:25:30] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) ResourceLoader should allow some css statements NOT to be minified - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42498  +comment (10Krinkle)
[21:25:31] <kaldari>	 but it fixed itself
[21:25:40] <kaldari>	 so yeah, must be caching
[21:27:35] <wizardist>	 anyone can help to write a parser test?
[21:27:37] <^demon>	 commonswiki back on 1.21wmf5
[21:28:05] <wikibugs>	 04(REOPENED) #ask result maps with template giving UNIQ/QINU tags - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/30255  +comment (10Leonard Wallentin)
[21:28:13] <wizardist>	 or tell what's wrong here: https://integration.mediawiki.org/ci/job/MediaWiki-GIT-Fetching/7995/
[21:28:14] <kaldari>	 ack seeing the weird caching/giant links bug on Commons now
[21:28:30] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) ResourceLoader should allow some css statements NOT to be minified - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42498  +comment (10Krinkle)
[21:28:36] <kaldari>	 hard refresh clears it though
[21:28:45] <^demon>	 wizardist: https://integration.mediawiki.org/ci/job/MediaWiki-Tests-Parser/9328/testReport/junit/(root)/ParserTests__testParserTest/testParserTest_with_data_set__845/
[21:29:07] <wizardist>	 I examined it many times already
[21:30:05] <kaldari>	 even with hard refresh, though, I'm missing the collapse triangle in the sidebar on Commons
[21:30:13] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) #ask result maps with template giving UNIQ/QINU tags - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/30255  +comment (10Leonard Wallentin)
[21:30:14] <kaldari>	 er triangles
[21:30:59] <kaldari>	 so, for example, can't collapse the toolbox
[21:31:05] <kaldari>	 and I'm in Firefox even
[21:31:35] <kaldari>	 works fine with debug=true
[21:32:40] <kaldari>	 might want to switch Commons back in wmf4 again until bug 42452 is resolved
[21:32:46] <chrismcmahon>	 I see weird headers on commons after hard refresh, but might be server cache
[21:33:20] <kaldari>	 chrismcmahon: Are your collapse triagles missing?
[21:33:37] <chrismcmahon>	 kaldari: 42452 was reported against beta labs.  we thought it was an artifact of breaking the pointer to memcache 
[21:34:37] <kaldari>	 weird
[21:34:51] <chrismcmahon>	 kaldari: I do have working collapse triangles on Toolbox, but the font size on Toolbox and Participate and Language select are wrong
[21:35:01] <chrismcmahon>	 in ie9
[21:35:26] <kaldari>	 I've seen both problems in Firefox on Commons
[21:36:21] <chrismcmahon>	 kaldari: picked a random page and triangles are gone
[21:36:34] <kaldari>	 also have missing triagles in Safari
[21:38:48] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) display problem, login problem, possible caching issue - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42452  +comment (10Ryan Kaldari)
[21:39:07] <chrismcmahon>	 kaldari: want to roll back?
[21:39:13] <kaldari>	 yeah
[21:40:37] <kaldari>	 looks like the h3 background property isn't being set
[21:41:21] <kaldari>	 seems to be related to resourceloader
[21:41:31] <kaldari>	 since the property gets set with debug=true
[21:42:17] <chrismcmahon>	 kaldari: nice that we had a bug open on this in beta labs for 3 days with 9 subscribers and no one recognized it as an actual issue. (including me)
[21:43:41] <Krinkle>	 kaldari: you mean the vector sidebar sementic heading level change?
[21:43:42] <kaldari>	 I'm wondering if the triangles are separate bug
[21:43:50] <Krinkle>	 h3 vs h4/h5
[21:43:53] <kaldari>	 strangley they work fine on test.wiki
[21:44:46] <Krinkle>	 that is likely caused by the html being cached by article changed ( up to 30 days for anons if article is unchanged) where the resourceloader modules refresh instantly (< 5 minutes) after deployment with their own timestamp. Which is why markup needs to be compatible.
[21:45:00] <kaldari>	 Krinkle: ah I see what you mean, I didn't realize those had been changed
[21:45:02] <Krinkle>	 and why I avoid using tags or IDs in favour of classes.
[21:45:29] <Krinkle>	 kaldari: landed a few days ago.
[21:45:37] <Krinkle>	 not sure if it is related though, it could be
[21:45:45] <kaldari>	 probably
[21:46:03] <kaldari>	 did they get scap working?
[21:46:28] <apergos>	 yes it was a perms issue, not peter fixed it
[21:49:34] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) ResourceLoader should allow some css statements NOT to be minified - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42498  +comment (10Leonard Wallentin)
[21:50:50] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) ResourceLoader should allow some css statements to remain unminified - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42498  summary (10Krinkle)
[21:51:40] <kaldari>	 Krinkle: the HTML for the page was up to date (using h3s), but the new CSS wasn't there
[21:52:01] <kaldari>	 which sounds like the reverse of what you were suggesting
[21:52:07] <Krinkle>	 indeed
[21:52:13] <Krinkle>	 well, it is cached for 5 minutes
[21:52:26] <Krinkle>	 if you edited the page within 5 minutes after deployment, that is possible.
[21:52:33] <kaldari>	 hmm, maybe we should have just waited 5 minutes then :)
[21:52:56] <Krinkle>	 RoanKattouw: What's the status on ESI again?
[21:53:17] <Krinkle>	 the number of cases where the 5 minutes of doom bite us are minor but piling up.
[21:53:37] <Krinkle>	 with more frequent deploys, this is going to be harder to cover for in advance.
[21:53:56] <kaldari>	 maybe we could start writing forward-compatible CSS and JS :)
[21:54:13] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Add a way to use {{FORMATNUM}} to just do digit transform - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35753   +patch-in-gerrit (10Paul Selitskas)
[21:54:19] <Isarra>	 That's crazy talk.
[21:54:31] <kaldari>	 but it would be nice if we didn't have to
[21:54:32] <Krinkle>	 that's always good, and I usually do so myself (as far as I'm aware), but it is hard to catch in review. 
[21:54:39] <kaldari>	 yeah
[21:55:00] <wikibugs>	 14(INVALID) ResourceLoader should allow some css statements to remain unminified - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42498  +comment (10Leonard Wallentin)
[21:55:57] <kaldari>	 lemme try on test with the exact same HTML and see if the triangles work...
[21:56:34] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) ResourceLoader should allow some css statements to remain unminified - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42498  +comment (10Krinkle)
[21:58:44] <kaldari>	 yeah, it works. I think it was just 5 minutes of doom on the triangles
[21:59:38] <kaldari>	 I have no idea about 42452 though
[22:03:50] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) labsconsole.wikimedia.org needs some performance tweaking - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42132  +comment (10Ryan Lane)
[22:06:39] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) CentralNotice banners should exist in their own namespace (stop using the MediaWiki namespace) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31595  summary; +comment (10MZMcBride)
[22:10:23] <kaldari>	 if people aren't concerned about bug 42452 (since it seems to be ephemeral), and the triangles disappearing is only 5 minutes of doom, I'm OK with switching Commons back to wmf5, but I'll leave it for someone else to make the call (mostly depending on if someone wants to dig further into bug 42452)
[22:10:42] <chrismcmahon>	 kaldari: looking in IE9 right now, main page on test looks like 42452 but random pages look normal
[22:11:38] <kaldari>	 I'm going to run get some lunch as long as nothing's on fire :)
[22:11:58] <saper>	 kaldari: w8
[22:12:06] <saper>	 kaldari: I've seen something very similar
[22:12:13] <kaldari>	 oh yeah
[22:12:24] <AaronSchulz>	 wow http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump looked wonk for 1 page view heh
[22:12:41] <Nosehair>	 Anybody home?
[22:12:50] <saper>	 kaldari: when watching https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:NoticeTemplate today; Special:CentralNotice is fine. Could this be related to banners?
[22:12:56] <marktraceur>	 Nosehair: Hi!
[22:13:01] <Nosehair>	 Hi
[22:13:02] <AaronSchulz>	 must have been the stylesheet and network gremlins
[22:13:16] <Nosehair>	 I have a question about Mediawiki. 
[22:13:24] <marktraceur>	 Nosehair: This is the right place!
[22:13:27] <kaldari>	 Aaron: yeah that was probably 42452
[22:13:34] <Nosehair>	 Great. 
[22:14:23] <kaldari>	 test.wiki isn't running any banners I don't think...
[22:15:02] <dneary>	 marktraceur, I read "Nosehair" as a descriptive noun, and thought I'd mis-typed a channel name
[22:15:09] <kaldari>	 yeah, no campaigns running for test.wiki, so I don't think banners could be related to 42452
[22:15:22] <saper>	 kaldari: I'll screenshot this and attach to the bug; in general those new javascript layered centralnotices behave strangely in my browser(s)
[22:15:22] <Nosehair>	 I have been having problems with my wiki scratch pads of late and I am aggravated that I can't fix it. I need to transfer them to a new wiki format. Media Wiki looks like a good one. I need to know if it is safe to download and all that. 
[22:16:04] <kaldari>	 saper: Yeah, they're a little wonky in MobileSafari too
[22:16:34] <saper>	 I'm on Chromium, self-compiled
[22:16:56] <marktraceur>	 Nosehair: Yup, MediaWiki is definitely safe to download, if you get it from the download links on mediawiki.org.
[22:17:00] <marktraceur>	 !download | Nosehair 
[22:17:00] <wm-bot>	  Nosehair : The latest stable release of MediaWiki can be downloaded from <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Download>. Files are supplied in a .tar.gz archive. MediaWiki can also be obtained direct from our Subversion repository <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Download_from_SVN >.
[22:17:21] <qgil>	 Does anybody have a microtask (a couple of hours long approx) elated to Git/Gerrit documentation? 
[22:17:51] <kaldari>	 OK, getting lunch for real
[22:18:02] <marktraceur>	 qgil: Describe how to perform a successful git bisect to find an added feature
[22:19:08] <Nosehair>	 marktraceur, I have tried talking to the wiki people about my problem. I have IE 8.0. Their system is telling them that I have IE 7.0 If I do manage to download it, what can I do if I still have problems opening the editor?
[22:19:11] <qgil>	 marktraceur mmm that one sounds like something with significant git expertise?
[22:19:58] <qgil>	 marktraceur, it's for http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Outreach_Program_for_Women#Consolidate_the_Git_.2F_Gerrit_documentation
[22:20:17] <chrismcmahon>	 I'm seeing the 42452 issue consistently on some pages in test in IE9 and FF but not in Chrome, for example http://test.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Create_a_new_page .  That page also lacks collapse triangles in FF/IE9
[22:20:24] <marktraceur>	 Nosehair: Try going to http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Sandbox&action=edit and opening the editor. If you can, then you'll be able to edit with MediaWiki.
[22:20:33] <qgil>	 mmm wait, i got one
[22:20:44] <Nosehair>	 Ok
[22:20:48] <Nosehair>	 brb
[22:20:49] <marktraceur>	 Nosehair: However, I'd strongly suggest using a free browser, like Firefox or Chromium.
[22:20:53] <marktraceur>	 !firefox | Nosehair
[22:20:59] <marktraceur>	 .....really
[22:21:15] <Brooke>	 !marktraceur
[22:21:25] <Brooke>	 omg the bot doesn't know anythingggggggg.
[22:21:32] <marktraceur>	 Brooke: I thought I'd seen a !firefox message before
[22:21:46] <Brooke>	 Perhaps someone deleted it. :-)
[22:22:07] <marktraceur>	 Maybe so
[22:23:33] <Nosehair>	 Mark, I was able to open that sandbox. 
[22:23:57] <Nosehair>	 Mark, why would I need to use a free browser?
[22:24:07] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) System message "enotif body intro deleted" seems to be wrong - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42519 normal; MediaWiki: Internationalization; (mediawiki)
[22:24:34] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) System message "enotif body intro deleted" seems to be wrong - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42519   +i18n (10[[kgh]])
[22:25:19] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Describe integration/* git repositories - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42518  summary (10Krinkle)
[22:25:22] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Documentation is out of date, incomplete (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/1  (10Krinkle)
[22:25:39] <Andracos>	 hi alllll
[22:26:50] <Andracos>	 somebody could help me? i have bot users that are posting many of spam articles
[22:26:51] <Nosehair>	 marktraceur?
[22:27:20] <Krinkle>	 !spam
[22:27:21] <wm-bot>	 For information about combating and handling spam in MediaWiki, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Combating_spam> and <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Anti-spam_features>.
[22:27:26] <marktraceur>	 Nosehair: It's just generally a good idea. IE has a notorious reputation among developers for being difficult :)
[22:27:57] <Nosehair>	 Oh. 
[22:28:10] <AaronSchulz>	 WARNING: gnome-keyring:: couldn't connect to: /tmp/keyring-Rxtywj/pkcs11: No such file or directory
[22:28:24] <AaronSchulz>	 RoanKattouw: mmm, spam
[22:28:35] * AaronSchulz  has forgotten how he just ignores those

[22:28:38] <marktraceur>	 Nosehair: Also, it means that when things go wrong and the browser breaks, instead of being tied to Microsoft's tech support for help, you could easily go to any qualified programmer and get the bug fixed.
[22:28:38] <Nosehair>	 marktraceur, do I hit find or save when downloading the mediawiki software?
[22:29:11] <marktraceur>	 Er....save? I guess?
[22:29:32] <marktraceur>	 !install | Nosehair
[22:29:32] <wm-bot>	  Nosehair: Installing MediaWiki takes between 10 and 30 minutes, and involves uploading/copying files and running the installer script to configure the software. Full instructions can be found in the INSTALL file supplied in the distribution archive. An installation manual can also be found at <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Installation>. See also: !download
[22:29:33] <Nosehair>	 You don't know?
[22:29:43] <marktraceur>	 Nosehair: I don't know what interface you're seeing
[22:30:04] <marktraceur>	 Nosehair: It sounds like a download dialog, but I don't know what it means by "Find". My instinct says save.
[22:30:58] <Nosehair>	 marktraceur, it is asking me if I want to save this file or find a program online to open it. 
[22:31:09] <marktraceur>	 Nosehair: Save, definitely.
[22:31:23] <Nosehair>	 ok
[22:31:24] <Andracos>	 it exist a way to delete all the posts of specific users?
[22:31:45] <marktraceur>	 !nuke | Andracos
[22:31:45] <wm-bot>	  Andracos: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Nuke
[22:32:12] <kaldari>	 Krinkle: Hmm, 5 minutes is up but strangely RL is still not delivering the proper CSS for me without debug=true
[22:32:24] <Krinkle>	 kaldari: link?
[22:32:47] <Nosehair>	 wm-bot, it is saying that the download is complete already. You said that it could take between 10 - 30 minutes. 
[22:32:54] <kaldari>	 common main page
[22:32:56] <kaldari>	 http://bits.wikimedia.org/commons.wikimedia.org/load.php?debug=false&lang=en&modules=ext.categoryTree.css%7Cext.gadget.AjaxQuickDelete%2CDelReqHandler%2CExtraTabs2%2CImprovedUploadForm%2CLanguageSelect%2CLong-Image-Names-in-Categories%2CMyUploads%2CRenameLink%2CRotateLink%2CSlideshow%2CStockphoto%2CThumbnailPurger%2CUTCLiveClock%2CUploadWizard%2CWikiMiniAtlas%2CZoomViewer%7Cext.wikihiero%7Cmediawiki.legacy.commonPrint%2Cshared%7Cmw.PopUpMediaTransfor
[22:32:56] <kaldari>	 .vector&only=styles&skin=vector&*
[22:33:01] <kaldari>	 for the bad css
[22:33:35] <Krinkle>	 kaldari: you're talking about gadget css? extension css ? core css ?
[22:33:42] <kaldari>	 core
[22:33:48] <Krinkle>	 link to the page
[22:33:56] <kaldari>	 or maybe extension - might be in Vector ext
[22:34:06] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) display problem, login problem, possible caching issue - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42452  +comment (10Chris McMahon)
[22:34:10] <kaldari>	 http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page
[22:34:57] <Nosehair>	 wm-bot, it is saying that the download is complete already. You said that it could take between 10 - 30 minutes. It did it in 1 second. 
[22:35:03] <kaldari>	 I don't know much about the sidebar construction/styling, so I'm just guessing
[22:35:51] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) display problem, login problem, possible caching issue - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42452  +comment (10Chris McMahon)
[22:36:18] <Nosehair>	 Marktraceur?
[22:37:06] <marktraceur>	 Nosehair: You downloaded it in a few minutes, but the installation takes longer
[22:37:14] <kaldari>	 Krinkle: Are you seeing the problem as well? i.e. No collapse triangles on the h3s (due to missing background definition).
[22:37:14] <marktraceur>	 Nosehair: Read all of the instructions, please
[22:37:16] <Nosehair>	 oh
[22:37:21] <Nosehair>	 I am. 
[22:38:07] <Nosehair>	 Now, it is saying that Windows cannot open this program. 
[22:38:39] <Nosehair>	 It can, however, look for a program that can.
[22:39:03] <marktraceur>	 Nosehair: Probably you need 7zip
[22:39:14] <marktraceur>	 Nosehair: http://www.7-zip.org/
[22:39:59] <Nosehair>	 ok
[22:40:40] <Nosehair>	 Download .exe 32-bit x86 1 MB or Download .msi 64-bit x64 1 MB ?
[22:40:42] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) display problem, login problem, possible caching issue - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42452  +comment (10Krenair)
[22:41:05] <kaldari>	 Krinkle: it's definitely extension CSS from the Vector ext.
[22:41:30] <kaldari>	 Vector/modules/ext.vector.collapsibleNav.css
[22:41:35] <chrismcmahon>	 kaldari: no triangles on http://test.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Create_a_new_page in FF.  triangles but garbled display at http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page and http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Home in FF for me
[22:42:08] <Nosehair>	 marktraceur, do I download .exe 32-bit x86 1 MB or Download .msi 64-bit x64 1 MB ?
[22:43:00] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) System message "enotif body intro deleted" seems to be wrong - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42519  +comment (10Siebrand)
[22:43:21] <^demon>	 chrismcmahon, kaldari, others: I rolled all the wikis back to wmf5 (other than test, test2, mediawikiwiki, metawiki)
[22:43:24] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) System message "enotif body intro deleted" seems to be wrong - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42519  -i18n  (10Siebrand)
[22:43:29] <^demon>	 All of which *appear* fine to me again.
[22:43:35] <kaldari>	 I'm pretty sure these problems are the same bug
[22:43:42] <Lcawte>	 Nosehair: It depends if you are running a 32 or 64 bit system.
[22:43:46] <marktraceur>	 Nosehair: Are you on a 64-bit system?
[22:43:55] <kaldari>	 For some reason RL isn't loading some of the new CSS unless you use debug=true
[22:43:59] <Nosehair>	 Let me look
[22:44:41] <kaldari>	 Krinkle: can you think of anything that would cause the 5 minutes of doom to last longer than 5 minutes?
[22:44:47] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Remove redundant header on account creation success - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42215  (10spage)
[22:45:30] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) "Couldn't resolve host 'ms-fe.pmtpa.wmnet'" CloudFiles errors - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40514  summary; +comment (10Aaron Schulz)
[22:45:40] <kaldari>	 ^demon: you mean back to wmf4?
[22:46:08] <^demon>	 kaldari: Yes, that :)
[22:46:16] <kaldari>	 good idea :)
[22:46:39] <^demon>	 But mediawikiwiki looks fine now too, so I dunno.
[22:46:57] <sumanah>	 hi andre__ :-)
[22:47:11] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) EditWarning should use $.fn.bind instead of window.onbeforeunload directly - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33566  -javascript -patch -patch-need-review  (10Krinkle)
[22:47:36] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) display problem, login problem, possible caching issue - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42452  +comment (10Ryan Kaldari)
[22:47:41] <andre__>	 sumanah! hola
[22:48:02] <apergos>	 well we know foundationwiki had issues, is it worth deploying to that again to debug for a few mins? 
[22:48:05] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Activity feeds should not include non-course activity of course volunteers - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42273  +comment (10Jeroen De Dauw)
[22:48:09] <sumanah>	 andre__: just came back online and am reading some backscroll -- you're seeing the discussion right now?
[22:48:15] * apergos  wonders how high profile that wiki is

[22:48:15] <sumanah>	 here and in #wikimedia-tech ?
[22:48:26] <andre__>	 sumanah, that it's all broken and that we should revert? yeah.
[22:48:35] <sumanah>	 okay
[22:49:03] <andre__>	 SNAFU... :/
[22:49:04] <^demon>	 apergos: It's running on test, test2, mediawikiwiki, and metawiki.
[22:49:06] <Nosehair>	 marktraceur, is that 32 or 64 bit system refering to the color quality?
[22:49:21] <^demon>	 I'd *rather* not use foundationwiki for testing unless we have to :)
[22:49:32] <apergos>	 ^demon: got that; if they don't show the problem that's harder
[22:49:43] <kaldari>	 the bug is being tracked at https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=42452
[22:49:44] <apergos>	 but I see kal dari is already tracking it down
[22:49:45] <chrismcmahon>	 ^demon: as far as looks fine, my experience is that some pages are garbled but most are not
[22:49:46] <Krinkle>	 kaldari: https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/FAQ/en
[22:49:51] <Krinkle>	 DO NOT PURGE THAT PAGE !
[22:50:42] <kaldari>	 yeah, it's all those new h3, but without the new CSS for them
[22:51:09] <Platonides>	 we should do an intermediate step
[22:51:17] <Platonides>	 with a CSS appliying to both h3 and h5
[22:51:50] <kaldari>	 I imagine the URL for the CSS must have also changed, and thus why it only fixes when purging
[22:52:10] <kaldari>	 let's see...
[22:52:11] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) display problem, login problem, possible caching issue - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42452  major->04CRIT (10Andre Klapper)
[22:52:12] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Next wmf deployment (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38865  (10Andre Klapper)
[22:52:22] <Platonides>	 I don't think so
[22:52:35] <Platonides>	 I think the problem is that it didn't change
[22:52:40] <Nosehair>	 marktraceur, does that 32 or 64 bit system refer to the color quality?
[22:52:42] <Platonides>	 but CSS is long-cached
[22:52:55] <Platonides>	 Nosehair, unlikely
[22:53:10] <Krinkle>	 http://bit.ly/wikitechlatest
[22:53:13] <Krinkle>	 http://bit.ly/wikitechLatest
[22:53:20] <Krinkle>	 http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2012-November/064712.html
[22:53:26] <Krinkle>	 Platonides: No, the page is long cached.
[22:53:34] <Nosehair>	 marktraceur, well, what are they refering to?
[22:53:58] <Krinkle>	 Platonides: Or use classes
[22:54:11] <Krinkle>	 wait... the css is long cached.
[22:54:12] <Krinkle>	 wtf
[22:54:30] <marktraceur>	 Nosehair: It refers to the size of data on your system
[22:54:49] <marktraceur>	 Nosehair: Specifically, in your processor's registers
[22:55:03] <Krinkle>	 Expires:Wed, 28 Nov 2012 22:59:11 GMT
[22:55:12] <Krinkle>	 that's 4 minutes from now
[22:55:19] <Nosehair>	 marktraceur, where do I find that information on my computer?
[22:55:19] <Krinkle>	 kaldari: When was this deployed?
[22:55:21] <Platonides>	 I was looking at that
[22:55:31] <Platonides>	 then the caching happens  somewhere else :S
[22:55:43] <^demon>	 Krinkle: So, what should we do?
[22:55:48] <marktraceur>	 Nosehair: What OS?
[22:55:54] <kaldari>	 more than an hour ago
[22:55:56] <Krinkle>	 It could be the 30 minutes skin cache
[22:56:05] <Krinkle>	 when was wmfwiki updated to wmf5
[22:56:19] <marktraceur>	 Oh, Windows, right
[22:56:31] <Joubles>	 Is there an alternative in MediaWiki to widgets if you want some kind of outside functionality?
[22:56:31] <marktraceur>	 Nosehair: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=windows+64-bit+or+32-bit&t=canonical
[22:56:47] <Krinkle>	 kaldari: that's theoratically impossible
[22:57:02] <apergos>	 :-D
[22:57:03] <kaldari>	 well, wmfwiki is on wmf4 now, so can't compare :(
[22:57:10] <Krinkle>	 wait..
[22:57:17] <Krinkle>	 that was a very stupid decision
[22:57:25] <Nosehair>	 marktraceur, I have WinXP SP2
[22:57:25] <sumanah>	 andre__: ok, so, I know Chad just reverted today's 1.21wmf5 deployment, right? http://wikitech.wikimedia.org/view/Server_admin_log & saw it in the #wikimedia-tech backlog.  
[22:57:33] <Krinkle>	 because now the wmf5 parser cache is being served
[22:57:41] <Krinkle>	 well, html cache
[22:57:42] <^demon>	 Krinkle: Well sorry. I saw breakages, and nobody seemed to be doing anything yet.
[22:57:45] <^demon>	 So I rolled back.
[22:57:48] <Krinkle>	 I understand.
[22:57:53] <andre__>	 sumanah, yes.
[22:57:54] <^demon>	 Again, "What should we do?"
[22:58:01] <Krinkle>	 back on wmf5 I'd say
[22:58:10] <^demon>	 For all wikis that went to wmf5?
[22:58:18] <Krinkle>	 If this is the only reason, then yes.
[22:58:26] <Platonides>	 we should use a css which works for both wmf4 and wmf5 headers
[22:58:29] <kaldari>	 we switched to wmf5 waited over 30 minutes and still had the display problems
[22:58:31] <Krinkle>	 pages have already been saved with wmf5, the problems are on those pages from what I can see.
[22:58:40] <Krinkle>	 Hm.
[22:58:48] <Krinkle>	 if that's true then going back on wmf5 would't fix it
[22:58:51] <Nosehair>	 marktraceur, I have WinXP SP2
[22:58:55] <Joubles>	 does anybody know if it is possible to have some kind of javascript run-time within a frame when it comes to mediawiki?
[22:59:00] <marktraceur>	 Nosehair: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=windows+64-bit+or+32-bit&t=canonical
[22:59:06] <kaldari>	 we might need to hack in some forward-compatibility
[22:59:07] <Krinkle>	 I purged https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/FAQ/en
[22:59:09] <Krinkle>	 still has <h3>
[22:59:11] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Feedback Activity Log doesn't seem to work for specific IP user - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42520 normal; MediaWiki extensions: ArticleFeedbackv5; (fflorin)
[22:59:15] <Platonides>	 Nosehair, you can simply look at My PC properties
[22:59:18] <Krinkle>	 and it is on 1.21wmf4
[22:59:20] <Krinkle>	 how is that possible
[22:59:20] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Feedback Activity Log doesn't seem to work for specific IP user - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42520  (10Fabrice Florin)
[22:59:27] <^demon>	 They're back on wmf5 now.
[22:59:55] <apergos>	 I got a good version of that page (logged out, ff, etc).. no idea why
[23:00:07] <^demon>	 In the cache, try purging it.
[23:00:14] <Krinkle>	 yes, I purged while it was on wmf4
[23:00:15] <^demon>	 It'll go back to broken.
[23:00:17] <YairRand>	 and everything is broken in all sorts of horrible ways again
[23:00:33] <kaldari>	 Krinkle: that's weird
[23:00:46] <apergos>	 still looks ok
[23:00:52] <Krinkle>	 https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/FAQ/sl
[23:00:56] <Joubles>	 anybody have any tutorial suggestions that are clearer and simple to understand on MediaWiki that was not done by the wiki people?
[23:01:01] <Krinkle>	 (that one hasn't been touched since, better example)
[23:01:12] <apergos>	 but that one looks bad
[23:01:24] <sumanah>	 hi there Joubles 
[23:01:28] <Joubles>	 Hi
[23:01:29] <Krinkle>	 Yes, since the change was already messed up we can't fix it with better class names, because the html is still going to be outdated
[23:01:38] <sumanah>	 Joubles: have you read the Gadgets tutorial already, that explains how to do JS user scripts?
[23:01:41] <Krinkle>	 We'll have to duplicate the css for both
[23:01:51] <Joubles>	 no...
[23:01:52] <Krinkle>	 or revert it out of wmf5
[23:01:54] <YairRand>	 I don't suppose there was any chance that the most noticeable bugs could be fixed before deployment?
[23:01:56] <sumanah>	 !gadgets
[23:01:56] <wm-bot>	 For information about Extension:Gadgets see http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Gadgets
[23:01:56] <Krinkle>	 and do it better later
[23:01:58] <kaldari>	 Krinkle: I just editing the FAQ page, and it's still displaying as wmf5!
[23:02:08] <Krinkle>	 yes, it is back on wmf5 now
[23:02:08] <kaldari>	 editing=edited
[23:02:13] <sumanah>	 robla, andre__ - I updated the 1.21 roadmap status to "We rolled out 1.21wmf5 to the non-Wikipedia sites today but then reverted the deploy and went back to 1.21wm4, because we were seeing breakage.  We're currently working on fixing that breakage and rescheduling the non-Wikipedia (Phase 2) deployment."
[23:02:14] <Joubles>	 ok, I'll take a look but overall the documentation on mediawiki is kind of confusing to me
[23:02:24] <sumanah>	 Joubles: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Gadget_kitchen/Training and https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Gadget_kitchen are what you should look at
[23:02:32] <sumanah>	 also Joubles https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/How_to_become_a_MediaWiki_hacker is a good place to start
[23:02:36] <Krinkle>	 kaldari: but please, don't edit pages. The use case is pages with outdated html. the css will be up to date sitewide in 5 minutes with RL, that's not the problem.
[23:02:38] <kaldari>	 sumanah: thnkas!
[23:02:40] <Krinkle>	 https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/FAQ/vi (unedited)
[23:02:49] <Joubles>	 thx sumanah!
[23:02:51] <apergos>	 ok are we on wmf5 for these sites again now?
[23:02:56] <sumanah>	 qgil: you may want to interview Joubles to find out what Joubles found confusing in the mediawiki.org documentation
[23:03:01] <kaldari>	 Krinkle: I'm not sure that's right
[23:03:06] <apergos>	 cause if so sumanah needs to tweak that status 
[23:03:17] <^demon>	 Yes, that's what I did.
[23:03:41] <kaldari>	 we switched from h4/h5 in wmf5 to h3 in wmf5 right?
[23:03:43] <Krinkle>	 So, either 1) revert this change out of mediawiki and let it be done better with class names
[23:03:45] <qgil>	 hi Joubles !
[23:03:49] <sumanah>	 Joubles: as you can possibly gather, you are not going to get the very best help *right this minute* because the developers & sysadmins here are fixing an immediate and urgent problem on Wikimedia sites, but that's not your fault :)
[23:03:49] <Joubles>	 I guess its probly bc I'm used to documentation in a class/method/datatype with explanation kind of format
[23:03:50] <kaldari>	 or do I have that backwards?
[23:03:56] <^demon>	 wmfwiki looks fine now, if you purge it.
[23:03:57] <kaldari>	 erg
[23:03:59] <Krinkle>	 or 2) hotfix the css by duplicating the rules for h3 and h5 and deploy that directly.
[23:04:04] <Joubles>	 I understand completely
[23:04:04] <sumanah>	 qgil: maybe you can take that conversation to #wikimedia-dev or someplace less busy
[23:04:07] <Joubles>	 thx for taking the time
[23:04:10] <sumanah>	 sure
[23:04:34] <kaldari>	 Krinkle: #2 sounds easier
[23:04:35] <Krinkle>	 ^demon: purging will make it right, that's not fair :P The primary use case is the 10000s of pages with cached html that'll get new css in 5 minutes after deployment.
[23:05:15] <Krinkle>	 k, then do that :)
[23:05:16] <Platonides>	 Krinkle, I'm on it
[23:05:19] <Krinkle>	 Awesome
[23:05:28] <Krinkle>	 let me know when you have it, I'll merge and backport.
[23:05:30] <qgil>	 Joubles, what problem did you find?
[23:05:31] <apergos>	 it's sure not reasonable to expect anon readers to purge content so it looks good :-D
[23:05:36] <Krinkle>	 Platonides: 
[23:05:47] <^demon>	 apergos: This is why we write bots ;-)
[23:06:00] <kaldari>	 #2 will fix all cases
[23:06:17] <apergos>	 ^demon: that was worth a lol :-D
[23:06:38] <qgil>	 Joubles, after reading a bit: what do you want to accomplish?
[23:07:03] <Joubles>	 qgil, I guess I was trying to find a way to query a backend using javascript from a mediawiki page
[23:07:45] <Joubles>	 and access that backend data without using a local mediawiki database
[23:07:52] <sumanah>	 okay, is this now accurate for the 1.21 roadmap status, folks? "We rolled out 1.21wmf5 to the non-Wikipedia sites today, after a brief reversion and re-deployment to fix breakage in how we were displaying some styling. We are on track to deploy 1.21wmf5 to English Wikipedia on Monday, December 3."   Feel free to edit at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki_1.21/Roadmap/status#2012-11-28
[23:08:00] <qgil>	 Joubles, so you check the API page?
[23:08:12] * sumanah  dropped in in the middle of the fixing and didn't actually see what was broken :-)

[23:08:19] <apergos>	 well it's still broken
[23:08:31] <Joubles>	 qgil I'm not quite sure what I should look for
[23:08:41] <sumanah>	 so what changeset caused the problem?
[23:08:44] <Joubles>	 on the API page
[23:08:45] <apergos>	 but a fix is coming soon we hope (thanks platoni des) 
[23:08:46] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Prevent creation of new (unattached?) SUL accounts with already unified names - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/29234  +comment (10Marco)
[23:09:06] <qgil>	 Joubles, does http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Api help?
[23:09:10] <kaldari>	 I'm adding forwards-compat to Vector extension now
[23:09:30] <kaldari>	 sumanah: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/34702/2/modules/ext.vector.collapsibleNav.css is part of the bug
[23:09:30] <qgil>	 Joubles, what queries do you need?
[23:09:43] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Activity feeds should not include non-course activity of course volunteers - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42273  +comment (10Sage Ross)
[23:09:49] <Platonides>	 Krinkle: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35815
[23:09:56] <sumanah>	 (which was part of a fix to https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/30361/ )
[23:10:19] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Commons files *not* except from sync check - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41832  +comment (10Umherirrender)
[23:10:45] <Platonides>	 hmm... maybe I can include monobook after all
[23:10:51] <qgil>	 Joubles, anyway, there is people a lot more qualified than me to discuss the MediaWiki API at https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-l 
[23:10:53] <Joubles>	 qgil is there anything that is a sort of classname/variable/function type of format as far as the documentation?
[23:11:26] <qgil>	 Joubles, (also here, but they might be busy / away right now)
[23:11:41] <sumanah>	 qgil: Joubles: and at the API mailing list, https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-api .... but you both might want to take this conversation to #wikimedia-dev so the other developers here have a little more room to discuss the immediate fix to the site problems 
[23:11:43] <Joubles>	 like in a hierarchical format similar to API related to other technologies? 
[23:11:59] <Krinkle>	 Platonides: what is c30361 ?
[23:12:05] <Krinkle>	 is that some hash fragment ?
[23:12:07] <Platonides>	 monobook had .portlet h4 but no usage?
[23:12:14] <Platonides>	 !c 30361
[23:12:14] <wm-bot>	 See http://svn.wikimedia.org/doc/class30361.html
[23:12:18] <Joubles>	 no, its ok I'll just try to figure this out by looking at it a bit more closely thx qgil and sumanah
[23:12:19] <Platonides>	 silly bot
[23:12:25] <Platonides>	 https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/30361/
[23:12:51] <Platonides>	 I was going to reference bug 42452, but I'm not sure if it's the same issue
[23:12:58] <Krinkle>	 Platonides: k, avoid nonstandard notation what nothing recognizes. Just paste part of the Change-Id or commit sha1
[23:13:05] <Krinkle>	 (in commit messages especialy)
[23:13:10] <Krinkle>	 cr-ing now
[23:13:39] <apergos>	 yay
[23:13:41] <Krinkle>	 Platonides: one selector per line
[23:13:58] <Krinkle>	 rest looks fine
[23:14:00] <Krinkle>	 will test now
[23:14:17] <Platonides>	 actually, they are the same selector for the two html versions :)
[23:14:23] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Install Extension:NewUserMessage on gu.wikipedia and gu.wikisource - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40872  +comment (10Dhaval)
[23:14:29] <Platonides>	 I can split it if you really want, though
[23:15:06] * qgil  just realizes that MediaWiki doesn't seem to have API docs in the classical sense of API docs. Everything relies on manual descriptions in wiki pages, separated from the code itself?

[23:15:09] <kaldari>	 https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/35817/
[23:15:27] <kaldari>	 Krinkle: wanna check for sanity?
[23:15:36] <Krinkle>	 another one?
[23:15:36] <Platonides>	 qgil, you saw en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php ?
[23:15:51] <Krinkle>	 kaldari: one selector per line
[23:16:05] <kaldari>	 ah, one sec...
[23:16:13] <Platonides>	 kaldari, LGTM
[23:16:24] <kaldari>	 LGTM?
[23:16:29] <qgil>	 Platonides, ah thank you for the link
[23:16:41] <qgil>	 Platonides, this is [perhaps what Joubes (no gone) was looking for
[23:17:06] <marktraceur>	 kaldari: Let's Get This Merged
[23:17:20] <apergos>	 :-D
[23:17:25] <kaldari>	 OK, will fix the style later
[23:17:43] <qgil>	 Platonides, ah http://www.mediawiki.org/w/api.php works as well. I see.
[23:18:11] <sumanah>	 I really did not want to scare Joubles away completely, qgil, just to ask you both to take it to a quieter room. Ah well, hope they come back if they have questions, or ask one of the lists :\
[23:18:55] <YairRand>	 I changed the enwiktionary javascript to work with the 1.21wmf5 because for some reason everything was made horribly incompatible, and then I changed it back because it wasn't compatible in the other direction either. can I assume that the deployment isn't going to be rolled back again?
[23:19:43] <qgil>	 sumanah, I'm not the best person to offer MediaWiki support though, apart from my humble pet project as MW admin
[23:19:54] <YairRand>	 (I am, btw, really disappointed about how this whole mess was/is being handled.)
[23:20:26] <Platonides>	 kaldari: Looks Good To Me
[23:20:30] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) Install Extension:NewUserMessage on gu.wikipedia and gu.wikisource - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40872  +comment (10Dereckson)
[23:20:39] <kaldari>	 heh
[23:20:52] <kaldari>	 I like Mark's version better :)
[23:21:04] <Platonides>	 what's that one ?
[23:21:31] <Platonides>	 YairRand, we are trying to make code work with both...
[23:21:55] <Platonides>	 maybe you could put both versions inside a big if, as an easy hack
[23:21:56] <Krinkle>	 no gerrit bot?
[23:22:17] <Krenair>	 gerrit-wm is in here
[23:22:29] <YairRand>	 Platonides: is that likely to happen? or should I assume that sitejss everywhere will need yet more changes?
[23:22:45] <Krinkle>	 I know, but its not saying what I want it to say
[23:22:53] <^demon>	 It's reporting other channels.
[23:22:55] <YairRand>	 also, is that likely to happen soon?
[23:23:03] <Krenair>	 * #mediawiki q gerrit-wm!*@* Reedy!~quassel@wikimedia/pdpc.active.reedy 1353515834
[23:23:07] <kaldari>	 Vector update merged to wmf5
[23:23:18] <kaldari>	 I'll go sync...
[23:23:36] <Krinkle>	 kaldari: you better :P
[23:23:42] <Krinkle>	 wow, back scroll
[23:23:43] <Nosehair>	 marktraceur, I can't find anything that tells me if I have 64 or 32. All I can tell you is that I have Windows XP SP2. 
[23:23:44] <Krenair>	 In future you should check "/mode #mediawiki +q"
[23:23:46] <Platonides>	 YairRand, the css should not generally need changes
[23:23:56] <Krenair>	 to see all the quieted hostmasks
[23:23:58] <Platonides>	 but I don't know what you used there :)
[23:25:10] <^demon>	 Krinkle, kaldari, Platonides: You guys need me for deploy stuff anymore, or do you guys have it?
[23:25:27] <kaldari>	 I think I've got it for the moment
[23:25:30] <Krinkle>	 kaldari: What else are you doing? I ran into the 2nd no-op conflict now
[23:25:33] <Krinkle>	 please deploy it :)
[23:25:35] <YairRand>	 Platonides: Wiktionary javascript adds sections to the sidebar. it uses h5s, which no longer work right in the new version.
[23:25:57] <^demon>	 kaldari: Ok. I'm going to eat dinner--ping me via e-mail if you want me to rush back.
[23:26:15] <kaldari>	 I'm also picking up "Make portlet rules backwards compatible with html cache.". Is that kosher?
[23:26:23] <Krinkle>	 kaldari: Yes
[23:26:28] <Krinkle>	 that's what I merged in core
[23:26:36] <Platonides>	 Nosehair, there's an utility at http://www.grc.com/ which can tell you
[23:26:42] <Platonides>	 I don't find the link right now, though
[23:26:46] <Krinkle>	 before I was going to review your change, which you had already self-merged in master *and* ported to wmf5
[23:27:16] <YairRand>	 and the 5-second+ js delays are still there. and the normal sidebars everywhere are still broken. yet it's still live.
[23:27:50] <Krinkle>	 kaldari: So are you going to do the deploy also? Please say so, or I will.
[23:27:58] <Krinkle>	 hanging here
[23:27:59] <marktraceur>	 Nosehair: Well, then try the 32-bit version. It will probably work.
[23:28:14] <kaldari>	 Krinkle:deploying updates to wmf5
[23:28:16] <Krinkle>	 ok
[23:28:22] <kaldari>	 but not switching anything to wmf5 yet...
[23:28:46] <Platonides>	 good night
[23:28:48] <Krinkle>	 kaldari: nothing to switch, the rollback was undone 20 minutes ago
[23:29:01] <Krinkle>	 "!log demon Moving all non-pedias back to wmf5"
[23:31:01] <kaldari>	 OK, all the updates should be synced with wmf5 now
[23:31:50] <kaldari>	 looks good on test.wiki
[23:32:56] <AaronSchulz>	 "name and id parameters are now lists ass they where supposed to be" ;)
[23:33:17] <YairRand>	 sidebar is fixed. js delays are still present.
[23:33:20] <kaldari>	 meta looks good now
[23:33:58] <chrismcmahon>	 wikimediafoundation looks OK too
[23:34:14] <kaldari>	 commons is good
[23:34:34] * chrismcmahon  checks commons with IE9 to be sure

[23:34:59] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Use jquery ui buttons on Special:UploadCampaign" [mediawiki/extensions/UploadWizard] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35821
[23:35:45] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Added access keys to buttons on Special:UploadCampaign" [mediawiki/extensions/UploadWizard] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35822
[23:36:33] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Zfilipin; "Marking mobile search tests pending for IE6" [qa/browsertests] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35823
[23:36:37] <Krinkle>	 saper: "${FOO}" or "$FOO", any edge case or just the same?
[23:36:39] <kaldari>	 now to go clean-up my hack so it's pretty :)
[23:36:59] <Krinkle>	 saper: (bash, in logical operations)
[23:37:16] <saper>	 Krinkle: same, except when $FOO is followed by some stuff
[23:37:18] <chrismcmahon>	 file uploaded on commons with IE9, thanks kaldari
[23:37:25] <Krinkle>	 saper: yeah
[23:37:26] <kaldari>	 Yay!
[23:37:39] <kaldari>	 in compatibility mode I assume?
[23:37:52] <chrismcmahon>	 kaldari: in normal mode
[23:37:57] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Added new API module to query campaigns" [mediawiki/extensions/UploadWizard] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/31218
[23:38:09] <kaldari>	 better test in compat mode too :)
[23:39:06] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Pgehres; "Update CentralNotice to master" [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.21wmf5) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35824
[23:39:14] <chrismcmahon>	 kaldari: works in compat mode too
[23:39:21] <kaldari>	 double yay
[23:40:14] <YairRand>	 https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/test < the js will run if you wait long enough...
[23:41:11] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Bsitu; "Add global default email footer message" [mediawiki/extensions/Echo] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/30066
[23:41:54] <YairRand>	 I need to get some sleep. sorry for the grumpy complaining.
[23:42:50] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Siebrand; "All this bc stuff should be tagged for removal in 1.22, right?" [mediawiki/extensions/Vector] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35817
[23:43:25] <chrismcmahon>	 and UW is good in real IE7 too
[23:43:27] <Nosehair>	 marktraceur, ok, the 7-Zip is downloading. There is no telling how long it will take. 
[23:43:58] <robla>	 hi folks....just getting caught up
[23:45:42] <wikibugs>	 03(FIXED) display problem, login problem, possible caching issue - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42452  +comment (10Ryan Kaldari)
[23:46:07] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Siebrand; "Should these BC changes be tagged for removal in 1.22?" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35815
[23:46:13] <kaldari>	 robla: Looks like everything's good now as far as we can tell
[23:46:21] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) VisualEditor: Converter crashes if a page has a <span> element with a <p> elements - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42487  +comment (10Roan Kattouw)
[23:46:34] <marktraceur>	 Nosehair: I hope it all works!
[23:47:09] <Nosehair>	 marktraceur, I just got a message that says that the publisher for that 7 - Zip is unknown. 
[23:47:37] <marktraceur>	 Nosehair: Windows can be a bit paranoid. If you downloaded the file from 7-zip.org, you should be fine.
[23:47:39] <Krenair>	 kaldari, any update from wmf legal on https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/30066/6 ?
[23:48:08] <kaldari>	 yes...
[23:48:34] <kaldari>	 looks like Benny just updated it
[23:49:47] <Nosehair>	 marktraceur, that is where I got the file from. 
[23:49:59] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Siebrand; "Legal delivering some copy is taking much too long. I suggest you escalate this internally. I've add..." [mediawiki/extensions/Echo] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/30066
[23:52:42] <Nosehair>	 marktraceur, I am trying to download that MediaWiki again. It is downloading.
[23:53:42] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Kaldari; "Making previous fix compat with CSS style convention and adding comment" [mediawiki/extensions/Vector] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35828
[23:55:10] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Kaldari; "Making previous fix compat with CSS style convention and adding comment" [mediawiki/extensions/Vector] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35828
[23:57:07] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Trevor Parscal; "(bug 37828) Handle edit conflicts" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35829
[23:58:19] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) please include median averages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42521 enhancement; MediaWiki extensions: ContributionReporting; (sumanah)
[23:59:43] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: MaxSem; "Fix class name clash with Extension:GeoMath" [mediawiki/extensions/GeoData] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35831
[23:59:43] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: MaxSem; "Fix failing test" [mediawiki/extensions/GeoData] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35832