[00:00:10] Believe me, you would not be the first student-living-with-his-family to come to one of these and you would not be the last [00:00:11] Also, depending on where you are in the UK, land and sea transportation options exist that may or may not be cheaper [00:00:16] Possibly money, I don't know what the situation will be by May. I don't think school itself would get in the way unless I had an exam the day after [00:00:23] ok, so what's the blocker? [00:00:34] I don't know for certain if there is one yet, it's all very uncertain [00:00:36] got it [00:00:46] well, I'm in the business of breaking blockers [00:01:14] which includes writing letters to teachers to ask for changing exam dates, giving travel stipends in some cases, reassuring parents, etc etc [00:01:16] chrismcmahon: Ha ha, cool. I'll check it out. If you have the chance, I would appreciate any feedback on my project proposal. [00:01:40] you can ask Lcawte about his experience last year [00:01:46] similar situation [00:02:20] Or don't ask for time off [00:02:26] Then get stranded by Volcanoes... [00:02:33] OH WELL [00:02:45] Very similar, if I understand correctly he's just a county away and the same age as me [00:03:00] Sounds about right, yeah [00:03:01] Krenair: that's not hyperbole; a few years ago a bunch of people went to the Berlin hackathon and got stranded when the volcano exploded and flights were grounded [00:04:11] New patchset: Ori.livneh; "Allow modules to specify schema revision" [mediawiki/extensions/EventLogging] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36503 [00:04:12] New patchset: Ori.livneh; "Add S Page to authors" [mediawiki/extensions/EventLogging] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36598 [00:04:52] valeriej: when you get to that point, I have a friend who is an admin on the Mozilla WebQA team, I would be happy to introduce you to him. https://quality.mozilla.org/teams/web-qa/ [00:05:10] 03(mod) VisualEditor: "List" buttons causes whole list to be de-listed, or converted to other list type, when only part of it is selected - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41929 +comment (10James Forrester) [00:05:20] Oh, the Great Ash Cloud of 2010 ... [00:05:42] 03(mod) WikiEditor interface overflows out of bodyContent div - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40608 +comment (10Krinkle) [00:06:12] New patchset: Pgehres; "Update CN to master" [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.21wmf5) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36676 [00:06:13] Reedy / Krinkle > I must confess a compulsive need to edit this kind of words [00:06:34] Probably because my vision of bugs is problems to be solved more than stuff inheritantly wrong [00:06:47] inherently [00:06:54] chrismcmahon: That would be great! Thanks! [00:07:18] Dereckson: yeah, it is an odd situation since we were still discussing this. But since Isarra responsed already I thought I'd atleast elloborate from my side. [00:07:48] I will try to turn a blind eye next time ^^ [00:07:59] New patchset: Pgehres; "Update CN to master" [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.21wmf4) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36678 [00:08:00] elaborate [00:08:03] valeriej: just let me know when is a good time, or remind me, or something. [00:08:25] inherently [00:09:01] 03(mod) WikiEditor interface overflows out of bodyContent div - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40608 +comment (10Isarra) [00:09:20] New patchset: CSteipp; "(bug 42638) Fix API action=options&reset=1 & unit tests" [mediawiki/core] (REL1_20) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36679 [00:09:45] chrismcmahon: I'll let you know, thanks! [00:09:57] How may I step back through an extensions revisions, to get to a version which works with an earlier version of MW? [00:10:05] Magic. [00:10:18] Do any of them have tags? [00:10:25] csteipp: please re-use the same Change-Id when backporting changes to a non-master branch. [00:10:36] sumanah, I'll check with my parents to see what they think, but I doubt I'll get my exam timetable until march at least. I'll let you know if there's any major problems that would stop me from coming on any of those weekends. [00:10:41] now the change has no connection from the master change to the REL1_20 backport. [00:10:50] Isarra: not the one I'm worried about, now. [00:10:53] no [00:11:05] Krenair: cool, thanks -- Maarten is far more the organizer than I am so you can just leave a note on that page or on the talk page and I'll Watch it [00:11:06] Dzang. [00:11:12] That would make it harder. [00:11:19] Krinkle: Even if it's not an identical patch? [00:11:20] Yes, quite. [00:11:25] csteipp: yes [00:11:53] Well, that may be grey area. [00:12:04] What is the difference btw? [00:12:15] Krinkle: I ran into an issue last week where 2 patches had the same change-id, and I couldn't amend one of them [00:12:40] csteipp: change-id is unique per branch, that's the key [00:12:52] cross-branch they should be the same as it will, by desing, link them. [00:12:54] design* [00:13:20] Alright, I'll try that [00:13:34] csteipp: also, don't backport before landing in master :) [00:13:38] that's why I couldn't find it [00:13:47] (REL1_20)$ git cherry-pick fb7c95f567735d6297701e1783457879adc6a749 [00:13:47] fatal: bad object fb7c95f567735d6297701e1783457879adc6a749 [00:14:10] because it'll have to be abandonded and re-submitted now when it lands in master (to do it "right") [00:14:26] New patchset: Pgehres; "Update CN to master." [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.21wmf4) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36678 [00:14:45] Cherry-pick sounds so nice and enjoyable until you learn what it means in the context of Gerrit... [00:14:48] Krinkle: Which one has to be abondoned? [00:14:51] Or Git, I guess. [00:14:54] I'm not following [00:14:58] csteipp: the one for REL1_20 [00:15:01] New patchset: Tim Starling; "Fix notice from CentralAuthUserArray for unattached accounts" [mediawiki/extensions/CentralAuth] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36683 [00:15:07] Susan: Clearly you've never picked cherries. [00:15:19] csteipp: once https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/36493/ is merged, you can cherry-pick it to REL1_20 and submit for review [00:15:26] I do in my dreams. [00:15:37] Sounds dreamy. [00:15:39] (the master branch merge merger ideally does this himself in one go) [00:16:20] csteipp: e.g. when I merge that change in master I can click the change id and see if it was backported, and if not, will do it. [00:16:27] but that's impossible now [00:16:40] 03(mod) JobQueueDB::claimRandom seems very slow with lots of jobs - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42614 +comment (10Tim Starling) [00:17:12] Krinkle: That part does make sense.. [00:17:21] New review: Krinkle; "please abandon and resubmit after I7fe63640 is reviewed/merged in master - preserving the original c..." [mediawiki/core] (REL1_20); V: 0 C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36679 [00:17:34] Change abandoned: CSteipp; "(no reason)" [mediawiki/core] (REL1_20) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36679 [00:17:52] csteipp: the docs are very unclear on this, I trap into it myself from time to time. [00:18:00] Krinkle: Do you know enough about unit tests to +2 Anomie's change? [00:18:11] Krinkle: Totally agree. [00:18:12] csteipp: I should. [00:19:47] James_F: do you have a moment to talk about Visual Editor testing for early Dec? [00:20:00] sumanah: ... sure? [00:20:04] (What testing?) [00:21:26] New patchset: Aaron Schulz; "[JobQueue] Pushed stats down to job queue subclasses." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36684 [00:21:35] James_F: That's just it. My understanding is that Monday would perhaps be a good day for some last-minute smoke testing by volunteers of the VE [00:21:51] do you agree? [00:22:07] I mean Monday next week. [00:22:22] Change merged: Krinkle; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36493 [00:23:00] sumanah: Not really. :-) The entire point of the deployment on Tuesday is to give volunteers the ability to test it. There's going to be nothing really testable more than what's been on mediawiki.org since June (and updated) which has had some awesome input from community testers. [00:23:28] csteipp: Now I'd normally do (and suggest you do): $ git cherry-pick fb7c95f567735d6297701e1783457879adc6a749 (= git hash of latest patch version of change I merged) [00:23:41] James_F: Ok. I wanted to check on whether you wanted perhaps some last-minute "are there any really embarrassing showstoppers?" testing. [00:23:48] Krinkle: Cool, I'm doing that now [00:23:56] first: $ git fetch gerrit; git checkout REL1_20; git reset --hard gerrit/REL1_20 [00:24:02] then: git cherry-pick fb7c95f567735d6297701e1783457879adc6a749 [00:24:23] sumanah: Well, that's always helpful. :-) But if that's someone volunteers would like to do, it might make sense for them to look at mediawiki.org right now. [00:24:27] finally: git review (or: git push gerrit HEAD:refs/for/REL1_20/bug/42639) [00:24:55] csteipp: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Git/Workflow#Submitting_a_change_to_a_branch_for_review [00:25:17] New patchset: Hoo man; "Fix notice from CentralAuthUserArray for unattached accounts" [mediawiki/extensions/CentralAuth] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36683 [00:25:26] James_F: But *right now* you already have a few big bugs you still need to fix this week, right? That would mean that the volunteers would find duplicates, frustrating everyone [00:26:00] New review: Hoo man; "Code comments/ function arguments" [mediawiki/extensions/CentralAuth] (master); V: 0 C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36683 [00:26:27] sumanah: Duplicates aren't the end of the world, but yes; we have a worklist in bugzilla here: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&remaction=run&namedcmd=VE-for-December&sharer_id=15641 [00:26:45] Krinkle: Ok, so his patch doesn't go in cleanly, so I'm getting: error: could not apply fb7c95f... (bug 42638) Fix API action=options&reset=1 & unit tests [00:26:45] hint: after resolving the conflicts, mark the corrected paths [00:26:54] etc [00:27:20] csteipp: indeed, merge conflicts in ApiOptionsTest.php. Resolve and git-add/git-rebase--continue as usual. [00:27:46] or, since it is a cherry-pick, git-add and git-commit as usual. [00:27:51] (no rebase) [00:28:19] New patchset: Hoo man; "Fix notice from CentralAuthUserArray for unattached accounts" [mediawiki/extensions/CentralAuth] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36683 [00:29:17] csteipp: looks like all changes are compatible, I'd just pick the master side of the conflict for each. [00:29:50] Almost-- except where he was passing $main [00:30:17] csteipp: ah, $main was used outside the conflict area as well? Good catch. [00:31:46] Change merged: Hoo man; [mediawiki/extensions/CentralAuth] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36683 [00:31:57] Krinkle: btw, do I amend the commit after the merge? [00:32:13] csteipp: there is no commit yet, you're sticking picking the cherry [00:32:21] sticking picking? [00:32:22] :D [00:32:22] regular git commit, it'll preload the message [00:32:27] still* [00:32:35] still picking the cherry* [00:33:22] New patchset: CSteipp; "(bug 42638) Fix API action=options&reset=1 & unit tests" [mediawiki/core] (REL1_20) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36686 [00:33:25] Alright... this might have worked [00:33:26] New review: OliverKeyes; "Hey; sorry for the delay in responding :). Discussion/analytics has said we are definitely turning t..." [mediawiki/core] (master) C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/25170 [00:33:36] csteipp: yay :) https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/q/I7fe63640d54efab4572538e9d08f5b75c61243a4,n,z [00:33:53] it also automatically cc's the original author [00:34:25] csteipp: now we wait a minute for jenkins to verify everything works, then it can be merged. [00:34:33] New patchset: Trevor Parscal; "(bug 41504) ve.ce throws error when surface loses focus" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36687 [00:34:58] Change merged: Pgehres; [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.21wmf5) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36676 [00:35:02] or to show that it doesn't work. yikes [00:35:12] csteipp: looks like the tests fail in REL1_20 now [00:35:24] Yeah, ApiOptionsTest::tearDown() must be public [00:35:31] Something that worked in 1.21 [00:35:48] 03(mod) VisualEditor: ve.ce throws Uncaught TypeError: Cannot read property 'nodeType' when suface loses focus - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41504 +comment (10James Forrester) [00:35:58] I forgot that was one thing I fixed in my port [00:36:29] csteipp: more or less worked in 1.21. It's a tricky case. It doesn't fail because it is missing "public" (because that's the default in php) [00:36:42] csteipp: it fails because it doesn't match the function it is overloading [00:36:52] 03(mod) JobQueueDB::claimRandom seems very slow with lots of jobs - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42614 +comment (10Marius Hoch) [00:36:52] (MediaWikiLangTestCase::tearDown) [00:37:16] New patchset: CSteipp; "(bug 42638) Fix API action=options&reset=1 & unit tests" [mediawiki/core] (REL1_20) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36686 [00:37:47] csteipp: and MediaWikiLangTestCase::tearDown was changes in 1.21 to be protected (as it should be, since phpunit expects that, though it tolerates it) [00:37:54] but as soon as one class uses, they have to match. [00:37:56] Krinkle: that makes sense [00:38:00] nasty one [00:39:10] csteipp: ah you made it explicitly "public". I would've left it implied so that it matches MediaWikiLangTestCase::tearDown, just a habit though. Doesn't matter I think. [00:39:26] (so that if the change to MediaWikiLangTestCase would be backported, it wouldn't conflict with this one then) [00:39:40] okay, it passes now :) [00:39:44] Change merged: Krinkle; [mediawiki/core] (REL1_20) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36686 [00:40:02] Cool. Thanks! [00:40:18] 03(mod) JobQueueDB::claimRandom seems very slow with lots of jobs - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42614 +comment (10Aaron Schulz) [00:41:01] New patchset: Ori.livneh; "Log (rather than throw) validation errors in production" [mediawiki/extensions/EventLogging] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36690 [00:44:26] Change merged: Inez; [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36687 [00:45:06] 03(FIXED) VisualEditor: ve.ce throws Uncaught TypeError: Cannot read property 'nodeType' when suface loses focus - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41504 (10James Forrester) [00:45:14] Change merged: Pgehres; [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.21wmf4) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36678 [00:46:08] 03(mod) JobQueueDB::claimRandom seems very slow with lots of jobs - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42614 +comment (10Aaron Schulz) [00:47:31] New patchset: CSteipp; "Release notes and version number" [mediawiki/core] (REL1_20) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36603 [00:49:24] 03(mod) JobQueueDB::claimRandom seems very slow with lots of jobs - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42614 +comment (10Aaron Schulz) [00:56:55] Change merged: Trevor Parscal; [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36672 [00:57:50] Hey Krinkle, could you verify I didn't typo the Release notes again? https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/36603 [00:58:46] where does MediaWiki handle redirecting /wiki/index.php?title=Foo to /wiki/Foo? or is this something that's just done in http server rewrite rules? [00:58:50] csteipp: lgtm, what happened to the topic still though? [00:59:01] csteipp: how do you create the initial commit? [00:59:19] No idea on that one. [00:59:22] if it is empty, an amend will set it to a substr of the change id. [00:59:41] Really? I just amended it [00:59:56] csteipp: and then "git review" ? [01:00:00] Yep [01:00:13] Oh, and yeah, it's not the change-id [01:00:14] And for the initial patch version? [01:00:33] Initial patch was a direct push [01:00:46] with git-review from a named branch? [01:00:48] because I forgot I had git review in this repo [01:00:52] ah, I see. [01:01:07] so you did git push gerrit HEAD:refs/for/REL1_20 ? [01:01:11] Yep [01:01:16] without a topic behind an additional slash [01:01:18] New patchset: Trevor Parscal; "Address error caused by changing focus from context menu to window." [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36320 [01:01:31] topic can be set without git-review, too. [01:01:34] anyhow, details :) [01:01:43] Change merged: Trevor Parscal; [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36320 [01:01:48] Oh, good to know. I didn't know how to set a topic form a straight push [01:02:20] I'd do: `git checkout -b release-notes REL1_20` when creating such commit. And then git-review (because it is possible) or git push gerrit HEAD:refs/for/REL1_20/release-notes if I feel like not using git-review. [01:02:45] topic can't be changed without also amending the commit so I'll just merge [01:02:48] Change merged: Krinkle; [mediawiki/core] (REL1_20) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36603 [01:03:05] I will make sure to do that next time [01:03:19] Thanks! [01:03:22] New patchset: Kaldari; "More prefs functionality for Echo" [mediawiki/extensions/Echo] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/33810 [01:03:35] for branch commits I usually avoid git-review because it can hijack the topic sometimes (e.g. setting it to a bug number even if I have a "better" topic as branch name) [01:04:35] csteipp: like, if you "release notes and version number" would've contained the (bug ...) numbers somewhere down the message, "git review" would pick that (even if it is on line 5 or something) instead of the branch name "release-notes". [01:04:51] which I find annoying :P [01:05:02] anyhow, git-review is nice and short. [01:05:18] brbr [01:05:28] 03(NEW) Link inspector suggestions highlight multiple items if they have the same label - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42665 normal; VisualEditor: User Interface; (tparscal) [01:06:00] 03(mod) Link inspector suggestions highlight multiple items if they have the same label - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42665 (10Trevor Parscal) [01:06:24] New patchset: Kaldari; "More prefs functionality for Echo" [mediawiki/extensions/Echo] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/33810 [01:10:27] New patchset: Catrope; "(bug 42469) Leading newlines in 
s get eaten" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36692
[01:11:46] 	 New patchset: Ori.livneh; "Log (rather than throw) validation errors in production" [mediawiki/extensions/EventLogging] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36690
[01:13:09] 	 03(mod) VisualEditor: Link inspector suggestions highlight multiple items if they have the same label - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42665  summary (10James Forrester)
[01:13:20] 	 03(ASSIGNED) VisualEditor: Link inspector suggestions highlight multiple items if they have the same label - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42665  (10James Forrester)
[01:14:30] 	 03(NEW) Initial newline in 
 is stripped - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42666 normal; Parsoid: JS/serializer; (roan.kattouw)
[01:14:51] 	 New patchset: Catrope; "(bug 42469) Leading newlines in 
s get eaten" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36692
[01:16:25] 	 Change merged: Trevor Parscal; [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36692
[01:23:09] 	 03(NEW) Presence/absence of initial newline in 
 should be in round-trip data - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42667 normal; Parsoid: General; (roan.kattouw)
[01:24:15] 	 03(mod) Presence/absence of initial newline in 
 should be in round-trip data - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42667  (10Roan Kattouw)
[01:24:19] 	 03(mod) VisualEditor: Leading newlines in 
s get eaten - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42469  +comment (10Roan Kattouw)
[01:24:35] 	 marktraceur: hey, could you put down your availability on https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Amsterdam_Hackathon_2013#Straw_Poll ?
[01:25:31] 	 03(mod) VisualEditor: Leading newlines in 
s get eaten - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42469  (10James Forrester)
[01:25:32] 	 03(mod) Initial newline in 
 is stripped - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42666  (10James Forrester)
[01:25:33] 	 03(mod) Presence/absence of initial newline in 
 should be in round-trip data - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42667  (10James Forrester)
[01:26:13] 	 sumanah: Sure! I wasn't sure if it was important, but AOK
[01:26:41] 	 marktraceur: I especially want to check whether US folks need Memorial Day free
[01:27:18] 	 sumanah: Pff, like we have lives
[01:29:20] 	 03(mod) tie bar shows incorrectly in IPA class - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37973  +comment (10Valerie Juarez)
[01:30:00] 	 hi
[01:30:26] 	 is someone available?
[01:31:09] 	 im having some troubles installing the WSYIWYG module on mediawiki 1.17.0
[01:33:02] 	 hi there gusgle 
[01:33:14] 	 hi sumanah !
[01:33:18] 	 gusgle: so, first: why are you on MediaWiki 1.17.0 instead of a more up-to-date version of MediaWiki?
[01:33:50] 	 because i need an stable WSYIWYG editor
[01:33:58] 	 ...
[01:34:25] 	 Sorry, gusgle, I do not understand the connection.
[01:37:38] 	 New patchset: Katie Horn; "Adds flexibility to the process of enabling and disabling 3D Secure authentication for various currency/country combinations." [mediawiki/extensions/DonationInterface] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36694
[01:41:57] 	 Can any help me with making so pages in category dont lay over a picture on the category page http://www.mortalonlinewiki.net/index.php?title=Category:Star_Vault_Staff can be seen there?
[01:43:54] 	 New patchset: Kaldari; "More prefs functionality for Echo" [mediawiki/extensions/Echo] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/33810
[01:50:22] 	 New patchset: Bsitu; "Initial check-in for email batch" [mediawiki/extensions/Echo] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35342
[01:51:30] 	 New review: Bsitu; "See changes in this patch in the commit summary" [mediawiki/extensions/Echo] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35342
[01:51:53] 	 03(mod) Initial newline in 
 is stripped - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42666  +comment (10Gabriel Wicke)
[01:54:54] 	 Change merged: Mwalker; [mediawiki/extensions/DonationInterface] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36694
[01:56:26] 	 KongGal: see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Clear
[01:59:33] 	 New patchset: Bsitu; "Initial check-in for email batch" [mediawiki/extensions/Echo] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35342
[02:06:35] 	 New review: Yaron Koren; "Great! It works for me on MW 1.19." [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticForms] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36660
[02:06:36] 	 Change merged: Yaron Koren; [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticForms] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36660
[02:08:57] 	 Thanks a lot Betacommand
[02:09:27] 	 anyone has installed WSIWYG module on mediawiki 1.20.1?
[02:09:44] 	 or some editor like that
[02:14:13] 	 gusgle: I don't believe any of the FCKeditor-based extensions (including WYSIWYG) can work with MW 1.20.
[02:14:42] 	 For the moment, we're WYSIWYG editor-less, until VisualEditor gets released.
[02:19:10] 	 New patchset: Aaron Schulz; "Added async upload-from-stash support." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36697
[02:19:10] 	 New patchset: Aaron Schulz; "[Upload] Added async upload concatenation support." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/34062
[02:20:00] 	 New review: Aaron Schulz; "First draft, untested (so probably broken)" [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36697
[02:22:44] 	 03(mod) VisualEditor: Handle percent-encoding in MWInternalLinkAnnotation - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42298  (10James Forrester)
[02:22:44] 	 03(mod) VisualEditor: Unicode in links is percent-encoded when saved as wikitext - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41116  (10James Forrester)
[02:29:13] 	 03(mod) Edit tab on cascade protected pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/11700  +comment (10Paine Ellsworth)
[02:45:40] 	 Change merged: Catrope; [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36648
[02:48:33] 	 Change merged: Catrope; [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36675
[02:49:03] 	 03(FIXED) VisualEditor: "List" buttons causes whole list to be de-listed, or converted to other list type, when only part of it is selected - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41929  (10James Forrester)
[02:49:10] 	 Change merged: Catrope; [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36653
[02:49:45] 	 03(FIXED) VisualEditor: Context menu shows up in the wrong place on load if document starts with link - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42661  (10James Forrester)
[02:56:48] 	 03(FIXED) SpecialBlockList throwing exception on 1.21wmf5 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42662  +comment (10Tim Starling)
[03:03:34] 	 New patchset: Katie Horn; "When we abort transactions to the gateway based on failed validation, write something to a log." [mediawiki/extensions/DonationInterface] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36698
[03:05:05] 	 Change merged: Mwalker; [mediawiki/extensions/DonationInterface] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36698
[03:24:27] 	 03(mod) Wikisource related bugs and enhancements (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35925  (10billinghurst)
[03:24:27] 	 03(mod) Collection extension should use relative links on [[Special:Book]] - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/28058  +comment (10billinghurst)
[03:40:07] 	 New patchset: Nischayn22; "Autocenter on Polygons and other shapes." [mediawiki/extensions/Maps] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36700
[03:40:16] 	 hi there Nischay|Away how's it going?
[03:40:22] 	 the answer: it's going away :-)
[03:48:55] 	 New patchset: thibaultmarin; "(extension TimelineTable) Update after review" [mediawiki/extensions] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/34689
[03:50:48] 	 03(NEW) Bugzilla: Announce message style - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42668 normal; Wikimedia: Bugzilla; (krinklemail)
[03:52:06] 	 03(FIXED) Bugzilla: Announce message style - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42668  +comment (10Krinkle)
[03:52:23] 	 03(mod) Bugzilla: Announce message style - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42668  (10Krinkle)
[03:55:14] 	 03(mod) Post-page move redirects contain two newlines below redirect code - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42616  minor->normal; summary; +comment (10MZMcBride)
[03:56:39] 	 03(mod) Bugzilla: Announce message style - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42668  +comment (10Andre Klapper)
[04:07:30] 	 03(mod) display problem, login problem, possible caching issue - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42452  +comment (10Matthew Flaschen)
[04:28:54] 	 New patchset: Katie Horn; "Bandaid for a glitch in the system: If this one line tries to use unstaged data, it blows up on SET_PAYMENT calls. ...but just those." [mediawiki/extensions/DonationInterface] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36703
[04:30:19] 	 Change merged: Pgehres; [mediawiki/extensions/DonationInterface] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36703
[04:30:56] 	 03(NEW) Diffs of trailing newlines removal don't work properly - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42669 normal; MediaWiki: History/Diffs; (b)
[04:31:16] 	 New patchset: Ori.livneh; "(Bug 42616) Remove extra newline from redirect wikitext" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36705
[04:35:55] 	 03(mod) User Preferences do not allow me to go to any other tab in IE9 due to "compatibility mode" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41792  +comment (10Paine Ellsworth)
[04:36:17] 	 New review: MZMcBride; "I tested this change on  and it seemed to work fine (no more..." [mediawiki/core] (master) C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36705
[04:39:46] 	 Isn't there some way to force browsers to reload css when it has been changed without requiring a hard refresh?
[04:41:46] 	 Because having to do a hard refresh on every page I go to on enwp is kind of annoying.
[04:42:35] 	 It's really fun because each page has its own cache!
[04:45:57] 	 03(NEW) VisualEditor: ext.visualEditor.specialMessages module cache invalidation broken - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42670 major; VisualEditor: Initialisation and integration; (krinklemail)
[04:46:00] 	 03(ASSIGNED) VisualEditor: ext.visualEditor.specialMessages module cache invalidation broken - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42670  (10Krinkle)
[04:54:11] 	 Can anyone help with adjusting margins on images using Mediawiki? Getting bad crops in my installation.
[04:54:19] 	 hello?
[04:54:38] 	 Hi RtD.
[04:54:46] 	 How are you?
[04:55:07] 	 pretty good, however, i am having a frustrating time on the mediawiki.org wiki.
[04:55:12] 	 ChiElement: You want to adjust the margins for one particular image or the margin for all images?
[04:55:16] 	 rememberthedot: What's up?
[04:55:25] 	 ChiElement: And is your wiki public?
[04:55:25] 	 03(mod) Post-page move redirects contain two newlines below redirect code - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42616  +comment (10Ori Livneh)
[04:56:09] 	 i wrote a gadget that i hoped would be useful on multiple wikis and proposed that it be kept centrally to mediawiki.org...there has thus far been practically no comment or suggestion for improvement: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Project:Requests#Other_requests_and_requests_for_comments
[04:56:29] 	 see also https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Project:Requests/User_rights/Remember_the_dot
[04:56:31] 	 Yeah, I see it...
[04:56:40] 	 Didn't you have SVN access?
[04:56:43] 	 yes
[04:56:54] 	 You should've mentioned that. Adminship is usually automatic for devs.
[04:56:55] 	 my key may even still work, i don't know if it was migrated
[04:56:59] 	 i did mention that
[04:57:08] 	 Oh.
[04:57:20] 	 Then you should just asked a friendly bureaucrat on his/her talk page instead of using that silly process. ;-)
[04:57:26] 	 @Susan - my wiki is public (www.whoinspired.com); it is built with MW and SMW
[04:57:59] 	 rememberthedot: Unfortunately I can't just do it myself. But I'll leave a comment.
[04:58:08] 	 @Susan - I want to adjust all images; it crops poorly (and won't add a border)
[04:59:18] 	 rememberthedot: get it to pass jshint
[04:59:33] 	 thank you. if it's better to poke bureaucrats directly, that should be noted also. there are a few i could poke. but now that i've started the process the "silly way" it would probably look like i was circumventing the process to poke a bureaucrat friend.
[05:00:10] 	 I left a comment.
[05:00:18] 	 If Reedy were awake, I'd just have him do it.
[05:00:21] 	 But I think he's asleep.
[05:00:46] 	 i'm too inexperienced to make the call unilaterally, but passing jshint will make it easier to get this reviewed
[05:01:17] * Susan  eyes ashley.
[05:02:02] 	 ori-l: jshint is not being very helpful...it's suggesting a couple of stylistic changes and it doesn't understand the variable $ or that syntaxHighlighterConfig is a global variable which may or may not be defined before the script runs
[05:02:30] 	 Susan: thank you. i'm impressed that you guys have a 24-hour helpdesk.
[05:02:44] 	 Heh.
[05:02:51] 	 IRC has been around for several decades now. ;-)
[05:03:12] 	 I remember you from en.wiki.
[05:03:25] 	 MediaWiki needs as many devs as it can get its hands on.
[05:03:34] 	 And that wiki needs as much love as possible.
[05:03:40] 	 Krenair and Jasper shouldn't be fussing.
[05:03:53] 	 rememberthedot: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Coding_conventions/JavaScript
[05:04:03] 	 https
[05:04:11] 	 you can alias $ to jQuery using an immediate function invocation
[05:04:24] 	 Susan: fussin'
[05:04:34] * Susan  futzes ori-l.
[05:04:47] 	 s/can/should/
[05:07:48] 	 Susan: well, thank you for the encouragement, despite my track record of breaking things a few times :-)
[05:08:57] 	 rememberthedot: You played with Scribunto yet?
[05:09:42] 	 i've seen it, it looks nice. i am hoping that this will mean easy localization of complex templates like {{cite web}}
[05:11:17] 	 Heh.
[05:11:27] 	 There's a big question about where/how to host gloabl templates.
[05:11:31] 	 global
[05:11:38] 	 Tim and Victor have been playing with the idea of using a Git repo.
[05:11:59] 	 I'm more strongly in favor of using Meta-Wiki or some other wiki solution.
[05:12:04] 	 i take it no global transclusion feature has been agreed upon?
[05:12:22] 	 It's allegedly written and sitting in a branch.
[05:12:26] 	 Interwiki transclusion branch.
[05:12:33] 	 rememberthedot: Emufarmers just gave you +sysop, so enjoy (he beat me to it :P)
[05:12:35] 	 Probably completely useless at this point.
[05:12:41] 	 Hi Skizzerz!
[05:12:44] 	 yo
[05:12:48] 	 I didn't realize you were around, I would've harassed you instead.
[05:13:14] 	 I'm (usually) around :P
[05:13:27] 	 not the chattiest of people though
[05:13:35] 	 ori-l: i'm working through jshint's suggestions. what do you mean by "you can alias $ to jQuery using an immediate function invocation"?
[05:14:07] 	 I'm guessing via (function($){stuff using $})(jQuery);
[05:16:21] 	 yeah that generates a host of new errors. i'm not going to worry about jshint complaining about $
[05:18:01] 	 Skizzerz and Emufarmers: i just saw the +sysop. thank you!
[05:20:19] 	 also thanks Susan and ori-l...i've got to go in a bit but i appreciate the comments
[05:25:17] 	 No problem.
[05:29:45] 	 anything else i should know before i take off?
[05:30:58] 	 Whereever you go, there you are.
[05:31:03] 	 Goddamn typos.
[05:31:40] 	 hahaha okay, great :-D
[05:31:54] 	 the same to you!
[05:32:37] 	 http://dpaste.de/3axLO/
[05:32:43] 	 wrong channel
[05:32:47] 	 right movie, wrong channel
[05:38:32] 	 New patchset: Santhosh; "Update jquery.uls from upstream" [mediawiki/extensions/UniversalLanguageSelector] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35600
[05:54:45] 	 03(mod) display problem, login problem, possible caching issue - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42452  +comment (10Dan Rosenthal)
[05:59:29] 	 New patchset: Santhosh; "Statsbar integrated to group selector" [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36596
[06:48:07] 	 New patchset: Nischayn22; "Missing Improvements to Shapes" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMaps] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36710
[06:48:08] 	 New patchset: Nischayn22; "Adding metadata to geoShapes." [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMaps] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/34078
[06:49:20] 	 Change merged: Tim Starling; [mediawiki/core] (chinese-collation) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/31473
[06:50:27] 	 New review: Parent5446; "I just realized something. Wouldn't it be necessary to check if the X-Forwarded-For IPs are proxy-bl..." [mediawiki/core] (master) C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/33971
[06:50:52] 	 New patchset: Nischayn22; "Fix missing braces" [mediawiki/extensions/Maps] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36711
[07:17:52] 	 anyone Russian-speaking/reading here?
[07:18:52] 	 aharoni: http://cropme.ru/s/c/c/4/be7e0994.png ;)
[07:19:31] 	 03(mod) JobQueueDB::claimRandom seems very slow with lots of jobs - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42614  +comment (10Niklas Laxström)
[07:23:12] 	 03(mod) UW: re-upload of deleted file impossible (duplicate-archive case); should have override - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40921  summary; +comment (10Lupo)
[07:37:32] 	 New review: Nikerabbit; "Some small notes." [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master); V: 0 C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36596
[07:39:12] 	 New review: Nemo bis; "Will the removed skins just disappear or can they be moved to an extension? This would be appreciate..." [mediawiki/core] (master) C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/25170
[07:53:50] 	 03(FIXED) log contains not only page actions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42618  +comment (10Ariel T. Glenn)
[07:58:11] 	 03(mod) Reports of secret key generation "hanging" on windows - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35894  (10carchaias)
[07:58:46] 	 New patchset: Krinkle; "init.Platform: Refactor parsed messages." [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36713
[07:58:47] 	 New patchset: Krinkle; "Clean up, fix errors on demos." [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36714
[07:59:18] 	 03(mod) VisualEditor: ext.visualEditor.specialMessages module cache invalidation broken - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42670  +comment (10Krinkle)
[08:02:54] 	 New review: Krinkle; "Moving them to an extension is possible if there is someone willing to look after it. This can be do..." [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/25170
[08:05:28] 	 New review: Nemo bis; "But then one could as well just put them back into core." [mediawiki/core] (master) C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/25170
[08:08:08] 	 03(mod) VisualEditor: ext.visualEditor.specialMessages module cache invalidation broken - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42670  (10Krinkle)
[08:09:56] 	 New review: Spage; "Comments on comments, more coming." [mediawiki/extensions/Onboarding] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35598
[08:11:57] 	 New review: Krinkle; "If maintenance was the only issue then yes, but that's not the case." [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/25170
[08:12:19] 	 03(mod) Accounts magically unattached despite being recently created - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39996  +comment (10Nemo)
[08:12:43] 	 New patchset: SuchetaG; "(Bug 39443)"Deleted-Pad" message does not appears anymore, when hitting enter thrice in the summary box." [mediawiki/extensions/EtherEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36715
[08:12:46] 	 03(mod) Accounts magically unattached despite being recently created - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39996  (10Nemo)
[08:13:00] 	 03(mod) Prevent creation of new (unattached?) SUL accounts with already unified names - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/29234  (10Nemo)
[08:14:47] 	 03(mod) next button does nothing - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42640  +comment (10Lupo)
[08:15:17] 	 New patchset: Spage; "First steps, implements Special:WelcomeNewUser" [mediawiki/extensions/Onboarding] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35598
[08:16:45] 	 Hello
[08:16:50] 	 New review: Spage; "I'm approving this so Matt and I can move forward with new gerrit reviews against master. This exten..." [mediawiki/extensions/Onboarding] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35598
[08:16:50] 	 Change merged: Spage; [mediawiki/extensions/Onboarding] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35598
[08:17:36] 	 I use mediawiki version 1.19.3 because I cannot use upper version of php in my hosting.
[08:17:57] 	 and following message are emerging :
[08:18:21] 	 New patchset: SuchetaG; "(Bug 39443)"Deleted-Pad" message does not appears anymore, when hitting enter thrice in the summary box." [mediawiki/extensions/EtherEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36715
[08:19:04] 	 Warning:proc_open() has been disabled for security reasons in /%Directory/includes/parser/Tidy.php on line 174
[08:19:08] 	 What I have to do?
[08:19:40] 	 03(mod) Request for determination: Adding user preferences via API - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40124  +comment (10MZMcBride)
[08:27:31] 	 03(mod) JobQueueDB::claimRandom seems very slow with lots of jobs - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42614  +comment (10Nemo)
[08:27:57] 	 03(mod) Implement improvements to area below edit window (footer below textarea) (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42630  +comment (10MZMcBride)
[08:33:27] 	 03(mod) glusterfs log files are not rotated - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41104  +comment (10Antoine "hashar" Musso)
[08:41:06] 	 New review: MZMcBride; "There are a number of unresolved issues surrounding global scripts, including where to host them (wh..." [mediawiki/extensions/Scribunto] (master) C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/32087
[08:43:36] 	 New review: Wizardist; "When search suggestions are actually links, the same is expected for .suggestions-special (containin..." [mediawiki/core] (master) C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/23674
[08:59:29] 	 03(NEW) Fundraising banner obstructing page content as user scrolls - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42671 normal; Wikimedia: Fundraising: Misc.; (b)
[09:00:10] 	 03(mod) Fundraising banner obstructing page content as user scrolls - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42671   +easy (10MZMcBride)
[09:10:21] 	 New patchset: Nikerabbit; "1.21wmf5 Narayam to master" [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.21wmf5) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36716
[09:11:44] 	 Hey guys, can anyone tell me how to do smw queries in php developing extensions
[09:17:34] 	 Change merged: Nikerabbit; [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.21wmf5) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36716
[09:26:17] 	 03(mod) Fundraising banner obstructing page content as user scrolls - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42671  normal->major (10Tomasz W. Kozłowski)
[09:27:21] 	 03(mod) Fundraising banner obstructing page content as user scrolls - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42671  +comment (10Platonides)
[09:29:04] 	 03(mod) Fundraising banner obstructing page content as user scrolls - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42671  +comment (10Tomasz W. Kozłowski)
[09:30:01] 	 03(VERIFIED) Narayam is not working with hotcat, reftoolbar etc. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41766  +comment (10Nemo)
[09:31:54] 	 New patchset: Hashar; "JENKINS validation (do not submit)" [mediawiki/extensions/cldr] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36718
[09:32:51] 	 looks that such validation failed
[09:35:01] 	 03(NEW) PHP Catchable fatal error: Argument 1 passed to Article::__construct() must be an instance of Title, null given, called in /SemanticForms/includes/SF_ParserFunctions.php on line 569 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42672 normal; MediaWiki extensions: SemanticForms; (antti.kanner)
[09:36:22] 	 Change abandoned: Hashar; "(no reason)" [mediawiki/extensions/cldr] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36718
[09:40:42] 	 New patchset: Matthias Mullie; "datamodel [DO NOT MERGE - WIP]" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/27981
[09:48:14] 	 Change abandoned: Hashar; "Extension migrated to the new workflow \O/" [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35364
[09:56:37] 	 New patchset: Hashar; "Jenkins validation (do not submit)" [mediawiki/extensions/TranslationNotifications] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36723
[09:58:15] 	 New patchset: Santhosh; "Recent Messagegroups listing" [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36724
[10:00:36] 	 03(NEW) Please edit the archives of wikilovesmonuments-l mailing list - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42673 critical; Wikimedia: Mailing lists; (odder.wiki)
[10:01:06] 	 Change abandoned: Hashar; "migrated to new workflow \O/" [mediawiki/extensions/TranslationNotifications] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36723
[10:01:14] 	 03(mod) Please edit the archives of wikilovesmonuments-l mailing list - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42673  (10Tomasz W. Kozłowski)
[10:03:02] 	 New patchset: J; "Bug 42339 - use display resolution" [mediawiki/extensions/TimedMediaHandler] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/34683
[10:04:58] 	 New review: Hashar; "recheck" [mediawiki/extensions/UniversalLanguageSelector] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35600
[10:14:31] 	 New patchset: Nikerabbit; "Declare user property and tweaks to api output" [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36728
[10:40:02] 	 
[10:49:47] 	 New patchset: Matthias Mullie; "Remove dependency on E3Experiments for clicktracking" [mediawiki/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36730
[10:56:30] 	 03(mod) next button does nothing - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42640  +comment (10Lupo)
[10:58:18] 	 Change restored: Hashar; "(no reason)" [mediawiki/extensions/cldr] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36718
[10:58:24] 	 New review: Hashar; "recheck" [mediawiki/extensions/cldr] (master); V: 0 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36718
[10:58:28] 	 New patchset: Siebrand; "Update logging to latest standards, including pretty formatting." [mediawiki/extensions/Renameuser] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5288
[10:59:01] 	 Change abandoned: Hashar; "(no reason)" [mediawiki/extensions/cldr] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36718
[10:59:03] 	 New review: Siebrand; "PS19 fixes incorrect key for qqq. I think this is ready to get merged now..." [mediawiki/extensions/Renameuser] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5288
[11:09:37] 	 New patchset: Siebrand; "Add 1.20 RELEASE-NOTES to HISTORY" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36733
[11:09:37] 	 yaron: Can you please give me an example of how to use smw modules and classes to query
[11:16:16] 	 03(NEW) Special page to list which pages on a site are linked to an item - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42674 normal; MediaWiki extensions: WikidataRepo; (jeblad)
[11:18:59] 	 03(mod) Special page to list which pages on a site are linked to an item - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42674  (10jeblad)
[11:19:28] 	 New patchset: Siebrand; "Add wfDeprecated to wfMsg* methods from 1.21 on" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36735
[11:20:46] 	 New patchset: Santhosh; "Replace the expand button with label" [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36736
[11:22:33] 	 Change merged: Siebrand; [mediawiki/extensions/EducationProgram] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35783
[11:22:45] 	 New review: J; "sending async with the upload api call i get php error:" [mediawiki/core] (master) C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36697
[11:27:49] 	 New patchset: Hashar; "Jenkins validation (do not submit)" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36739
[11:29:45] 	 New patchset: Siebrand; "Raise wfDeprecationLimit from 1.17 to 1.18" [translatewiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36740
[11:31:46] 	 New patchset: Nikerabbit; "Statsbar integrated to group selector" [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36596
[11:32:09] 	 Change merged: Siebrand; [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36728
[11:33:16] 	 Change merged: Siebrand; [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36724
[11:34:00] 	 Change merged: Santhosh; [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36596
[11:36:08] 	 03(mod) New aliases in RuWiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42511  +comment (10MaxBioHazard)
[11:36:25] 	 03(mod) Inconsistent rendering of redirect pages left behind moved files - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42597  +comment (10Lupo)
[11:39:20] 	 if working upon master currently, is there an stable branch I can safely switch to?
[11:40:06] 	 !g I15d9ef8095c8e5018ffa8adfdd0ceb04cd5943b9
[11:40:06] 	 https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#q,I15d9ef8095c8e5018ffa8adfdd0ceb04cd5943b9,n,z
[11:40:29] 	 mnemoc: master is supposed to be stable all the time
[11:40:39] 	 hashar: unless you use postgresql :|
[11:40:41] 	 mnemoc: we have REL1_20 branch for MediaWiki 1.20.x
[11:41:12] 	 hashar: can I safely downgrade to 1.20?
[11:41:14] 	 mnemoc: yeah postgre  is more like a best effort 
[11:41:17] 	 I have no idea
[11:41:29] 	 REL1_20 got branched a few weeks ago so that it is probably fine
[11:43:10] 	 New patchset: Nikerabbit; "Don't count proofread also as translated in StatsBar" [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36743
[11:43:30] 	 more than best effort is no effort at all... it's very rare an schema change is added to includes/installer/PostgresUpdater.php without opening a bug report :|
[11:43:52] 	 i'll try with REL1_20
[11:43:55] 	 thanks
[11:44:36] 	 New review: Hashar; "recheck" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36739
[11:45:41] 	 03(mod) Narayam is not working with hotcat, reftoolbar etc. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41766  +comment (10sunil)
[11:45:46] 	 Change merged: Santhosh; [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36743
[11:48:28] 	 hashar: survived :) thanks!
[11:48:57] 	 well done :)
[11:58:06] 	 New review: Hashar; "recheck" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36739
[11:58:17] 	 03(NEW) JS GroupSelector language on Special:Translate should match PHP side - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42675 normal; MediaWiki extensions: Translate; (niklas.laxstrom)
[11:59:11] 	 03(mod) Inconsistent rendering of redirect pages left behind moved files - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42597  +comment (10Lupo)
[11:59:44] 	 New patchset: Hashar; "Jenkins validation (do not submit)" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36739
[11:59:52] 	 03(NEW) [Project Selector] Numbers visible in Opera - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42676 normal; MediaWiki extensions: Translate; (s.mazeland)
[12:00:01] 	 03(mod) [Project Selector] Numbers visible in Opera - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42676  (10Siebrand)
[12:00:15] 	 Change abandoned: Hashar; "works for me :)" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36739
[12:02:07] 	 New patchset: Zfilipin; "Updated Ruby gems" [qa/browsertests] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36746
[12:02:29] 	 03(NEW) [Project Selector] Slow progress bar addition in Firefox - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42677 normal; MediaWiki extensions: Translate; (s.mazeland)
[12:03:56] 	 Who broke update.php, again?
[12:03:56] 	 Purging caches...done.
[12:03:57] 	 Database serialization may cause problems, since the connection is not restored on wakeup.
[12:03:57] 	 Backtrace:
[12:03:57] 	 #0 [internal function]: DatabaseBase->__sleep()
[12:03:58] 	 #1 /var/www/wiki/mediawiki/core/includes/installer/DatabaseUpdater.php(412): serialize(Array)
[12:04:00] 	 #2 /var/www/wiki/mediawiki/core/includes/installer/DatabaseUpdater.php(361): DatabaseUpdater->setAppliedUpdates('1.21alpha', Array)
[12:04:03] 	 #3 /var/www/wiki/mediawiki/core/maintenance/update.php(151): DatabaseUpdater->doUpdates(Array)
[12:04:05] 	 #4 /var/www/wiki/mediawiki/core/maintenance/doMaintenance.php(110): UpdateMediaWiki->execute()
[12:04:07] 	 #5 /var/www/wiki/mediawiki/core/maintenance/update.php(193): require_once('/var/www/wiki/m...')
[12:04:08] 	 Reedy: wasn't a fix submitted to that
[12:04:09] 	 #6 {main}
[12:04:27] 	 Chad reverted hexmodes commit that broke it
[12:04:41] 	 I believe anomie committed one, I don't know if it was submitted...
[12:05:07] 	 Yup, not submitted https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/36609/
[12:07:08] 	 Reedy: you broke pgsql on categorytree at least ;-) .... with b2a50356fd86b896675b26876a89d0c9be3b52f1
[12:07:18] 	 Pfft
[12:07:23] 	 What's broken about it?
[12:07:33] 	 People who use pgsql are just silly
[12:07:36] 	 it doesn't render anything
[12:07:41] 	 No query errors?
[12:07:45] 	 New patchset: Santhosh; "Fix Bug 42677 - Status bar rendering slow in Firefox" [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36747
[12:07:56] 	 not that I could see
[12:08:29] 	 I'll revert the revert and look again
[12:09:20] 	 Reedy: empty output
[12:10:31] 	 03(NEW) Cite Extension: the Revision date and the Permanent link do not match - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42678 normal; MediaWiki extensions: Cite; (seewolf)
[12:11:18] 	 New patchset: Siebrand; "(bug 42677) Status bar rendering slow in Firefox" [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36747
[12:11:40] 	 Change merged: Siebrand; [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36747
[12:13:50] 	 !g 36747
[12:13:50] 	 https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#q,36747,n,z
[12:14:18] 	 Hi
[12:14:23] 	 Minor template issue
[12:14:59] 	 http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Template:Short-title - Should be inserting a space between the title and years in - http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Portal:Acts_of_the_Parliament_of_the_United_Kingdom/Edward_VII#1910_.2810_Edw._VII_.26_1._Geo._V.29
[12:15:01] 	 but isn't
[12:15:11] 	 Template is too complex for me to debug personally
[12:15:18] 	 I'd appreciate someone fixing it
[12:18:07] 	 New patchset: Hashar; "cleanup WatchedItem class" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/33861
[12:18:44] 	 Qcoder00: ask in #wikipedia maybe
[12:20:25] 	 03(NEW) [Project Selector] Discouraged groups are displayed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42679 normal; MediaWiki extensions: Translate; (s.mazeland)
[12:21:58] 	 New patchset: Nikerabbit; "WIP message list" [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36157
[12:29:53] 	 03(NEW) Display problem - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42680 normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (eemeltoniv.reg)
[12:30:39] 	 New patchset: J; "fix video player in rlt mode" [mediawiki/extensions/TimedMediaHandler] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36748
[12:33:45] 	 14(WFM) [] in the future dont show this message does not work - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42062  +comment (10Jan Gerber)
[12:36:14] 	 03(mod) Inconsistent rendering of redirect pages left behind moved files - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42597  +comment (10Rainer Rillke @commons.wikimedia)
[12:36:50] 	 03(ASSIGNED) [Project Selector] Slow progress bar addition in Firefox - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42677  (10Santhosh Thottingal)
[12:37:57] 	 New patchset: Nikerabbit; "Treat message cache loading as fatal" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36749
[12:39:35] 	 03(mod) newmessageslinkplural and newmessagesdifflinkplural shouldn't use fake values for the number of changes - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42497  +comment (10Lupo)
[12:41:13] 	 03(NEW) Make pollForChanges check if site tables have been populated - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42681 normal; MediaWiki extensions: WikidataClient; (silke.meyer)
[12:42:08] 	 03(mod) Fundraising banner obstructing page content as user scrolls - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42671  +comment (10Andre Klapper)
[12:47:37] 	 Change merged: Nikerabbit; [translatewiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36740
[12:50:02] 	 03(mod) Special:TranslationStats counts for edits includes also reviews - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39761  +comment (10Nemo)
[13:03:08] 	 New patchset: Nikerabbit; "Message list" [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36157
[13:03:14] 	 New patchset: Reedy; "Fix mistake from g34493" [mediawiki/extensions/CategoryTree] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36750
[13:03:15] 	 mnemoc: ^^
[13:04:49] 	 03(mod) Request for determination: Adding user preferences via API - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40124  +comment (10Rainer Rillke @commons.wikimedia)
[13:06:09] 	 03(mod) Reports of secret key generation "hanging" on Windows with PHP 5.3.x - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35894  summary; +comment (10Andre Klapper)
[13:10:07] 	 New patchset: Aude; "add method to check if ORMTable exists" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36751
[13:15:04] 	 03(mod) newmessageslinkplural and newmessagesdifflinkplural shouldn't use fake values for the number of changes - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42497  +comment (10Niklas Laxström)
[13:18:09] 	 New review: Krinkle; "-1 for left over return statements and unsupported $.Deferred/fail() with async:false." [mediawiki/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5] (master); V: 0 C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36730
[13:18:18] 	 03(mod) Support MPEG DASH for multiple webm files - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42591  +comment (10Jan Gerber)
[13:18:41] 	 Change abandoned: Demon; "Indeed. I talked about this a bit more with Tim and Rob, and I think we're all on the same page now...." [mediawiki/extensions/Scribunto] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/32087
[13:19:42] 	 Change abandoned: Demon; "Indeed, let's tidy that up rather than reverting the whole thing." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35923
[13:19:50] 	 New patchset: Hashar; "jenkins validation (do not submit)" [mediawiki/extensions/SVGEdit] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36754
[13:19:55] 	 New review: Krinkle; "Gadgets don't support that natively indeed, however it has been possible for years to retrieve any m..." [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36391
[13:22:13] 	 New review: Hashar; "recheck" [mediawiki/extensions/SVGEdit] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36754
[13:22:42] 	 any of you guys experienced a computer locking up when viewing a mediawiki page with images?
[13:22:53] 	 happens in firefox on fedora 16
[13:23:00] 	 other browsers seem okay
[13:23:49] 	 for what it's worth ubuntu with the same version of firefox as fedora 16 does not have this problem and another fedora 16 system with the same version of firefox also does not have this problem.
[13:25:23] 	 New review: Hashar; "recheck" [mediawiki/extensions/SVGEdit] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36754
[13:30:19] 	 14(DUP) Display problem - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42680  +comment (10Andre Klapper)
[13:30:19] 	 03(mod) display problem, login problem, possible caching issue - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42452  +comment (10Andre Klapper)
[13:32:40] 	 New review: Krinkle; "For example, this works right now and you could use this in gadget today to combine (or migrate to) ..." [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36391
[13:50:45] 	 Reedy: thanks, I'll test it now
[13:58:40] 	 New patchset: Kghbln; "Amended system message" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMaps] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36757
[14:01:13] 	 Reedy: didn't help :|
[14:03:46] 	 03(NEW) Declare wb_terms fields to be binary - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42682 normal; MediaWiki extensions: WikidataRepo; (daniel.kinzler)
[14:03:53] 	 03(ASSIGNED) Declare wb_terms fields to be binary - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42682  (10Daniel Kinzler)
[14:09:14] 	 03(NEW) Allow wikibase to operate without the term_search_key column - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42683 normal; MediaWiki extensions: WikidataRepo; (daniel.kinzler)
[14:09:21] 	 03(ASSIGNED) Allow wikibase to operate without the term_search_key column - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42683  (10Daniel Kinzler)
[14:09:23] 	 New patchset: Hashar; "JavaScript maintenance" [mediawiki/extensions/SVGEdit] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36754
[14:10:20] 	 New review: Hashar; "While testing our gruntjs task to lint JavaScript, I thought I might as well send the changes I have..." [mediawiki/extensions/SVGEdit] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36754
[14:11:16] 	 03(NEW) Make sure all db tables have a unique column - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42684 normal; MediaWiki extensions: WikidataRepo; (daniel.kinzler)
[14:11:26] 	 03(ASSIGNED) Make sure all db tables have a unique column - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42684  (10Daniel Kinzler)
[14:13:50] 	 03(NEW) Remove the label/description uniqueness constraint for items - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42685 normal; MediaWiki extensions: WikidataRepo; (daniel.kinzler)
[14:14:06] 	 03(ASSIGNED) Remove the label/description uniqueness constraint for items - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42685  (10Daniel Kinzler)
[14:15:32] 	 03(NEW) Special:ItemDisambiguation should support case-insensitive matches. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42686 normal; MediaWiki extensions: WikidataRepo; (daniel.kinzler)
[14:15:54] 	 03(ASSIGNED) Special:ItemDisambiguation should support case-insensitive matches. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42686  normal->15enhancement (10Daniel Kinzler)
[14:16:18] 	 03(mod) Special:ItemDisambiguation should support case-insensitive matches. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42686  (10Daniel Kinzler)
[14:16:33] 	 hey guys, can anyone help me with my local installation of mediawiki? there is just on top of the whole page a little grey area with the letter f. But i can't figure out where it comes from it just stands there.
[14:17:04] 	 03(mod) Allow wikibase to operate without the term_search_key column - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42683  normal->major (10Daniel Kinzler)
[14:17:14] 	 03(mod) Declare wb_terms fields to be binary - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42682  (10Daniel Kinzler)
[14:17:28] 	 Knils: Could you explain it a bit more?
[14:19:56] 	 yeah i try. ok i installed a mediawiki on my local server. and everything went fine. but on all pages on top of the whole construct there is an little grey area with  just a "f" inside. and the sourcecode don't helps where it comes from its just there.
[14:20:33] <^demon>	 I'd check you LocalSettings.php file. See if there's an "f" before the 	 Knils: in firefox, you can right-click it and select "inspect element" (or similar) from the menu
[14:22:58] 	 i know i work everyday with this function^^ i looked in the sourcecode and i know where the "f" comes from but not why its there in the code. it just stands in a single line at top of the body.
[14:23:23] <^demon>	 Knils: Did you check LocalSettings like I suggested?
[14:24:33] 	 oh sry i didnt see this, i will
[14:25:31] 	 New review: Aude; "the updates work for me with this patch and abuse filter enabled." [mediawiki/core] (master) C: 1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36609
[14:26:05] 	 wow nice there was the "f". thanks a lot ^demon. how did it get there?
[14:26:08] 	 03(mod) Allow wikibase to operate without the term_search_key column - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42683  +comment (10Daniel Kinzler)
[14:26:19] 	 03(mod) Declare wb_terms fields to be binary - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42682  +comment (10Daniel Kinzler)
[14:26:37] <^demon>	 Knils: If I had to guess, someone accidentally typed it when trying to ctrl+f.
[14:27:01] <^demon>	 I've done it ;-)
[14:27:29] 	 i think that could be me^^ just wondering where to search this f after this. thx guys. have a nice day.
[14:30:55] 	 New patchset: J; "Fix Bug 42556 and Bug 42556" [mediawiki/extensions/TimedMediaHandler] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36765
[14:40:54] 	 New patchset: J; "Bug 42050 -  improve timedmedia-subtitle-new-desc" [mediawiki/extensions/TimedMediaHandler] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36766
[14:41:36] 	 03(mod) PHP Catchable fatal error: Argument 1 passed to Article::__construct() must be an instance of Title, null given, called in /SemanticForms/includes/SF_ParserFunctions.php on line 569 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42672  +comment (10Yaron Koren)
[14:41:50] 	 03(mod) Rephrase message "Timedmedia-subtitle-new-desc" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42050   +patch-in-gerrit; +comment (10Jan Gerber)
[14:49:14] 	 03(mod) PHP Catchable fatal error: Argument 1 passed to Article::__construct() must be an instance of Title, null given, called in /SemanticForms/includes/SF_ParserFunctions.php on line 569 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42672  +comment (10Antti Kanner)
[14:51:01] 	 03(mod) PHP Catchable fatal error: Argument 1 passed to Article::__construct() must be an instance of Title, null given, called in /SemanticForms/includes/SF_ParserFunctions.php on line 569 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42672  +comment (10Yaron Koren)
[14:52:45] 	 New patchset: J; "Dont show credits at end for audio clips" [mediawiki/extensions/TimedMediaHandler] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36767
[14:53:54] 	 New patchset: J; "Use async upload-from-stash" [mediawiki/extensions/UploadWizard] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36768
[14:54:16] 	 03(mod) Remove the label/description uniqueness constraint for items - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42685  +comment (10Daniel Kinzler)
[14:55:58] 	 03(mod) TermSqlCache deadlocks - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42547  (10Daniel Kinzler)
[14:55:59] 	 03(mod) Remove the label/description uniqueness constraint for items - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42685  (10Daniel Kinzler)
[14:56:31] 	 New review: Cmcmahon; "maintenance" [qa/browsertests] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36746
[14:56:31] 	 Change merged: Cmcmahon; [qa/browsertests] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36746
[14:59:12] 	 New patchset: J; "add index to image table to query by type" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35139
[15:02:29] 	 New review: Hashar; "works for me :-)" [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36373
[15:02:30] 	 03(mod) PHP Catchable fatal error: Argument 1 passed to Article::__construct() must be an instance of Title, null given, called in /SemanticForms/includes/SF_ParserFunctions.php on line 569 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42672  +comment (10Antti Kanner)
[15:03:31] 	 03(mod) next button does nothing - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42640  (10j.nailor)
[15:04:59] 	 New patchset: Cmcmahon; "do not merge, this has an issue with how should_not is used" [qa/browsertests] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36769
[15:05:04] 	 New patchset: J; "add index to image table to query by type" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35139
[15:05:41] 	 03(mod) PHP Catchable fatal error: Argument 1 passed to Article::__construct() must be an instance of Title, null given, called in /SemanticForms/includes/SF_ParserFunctions.php on line 569 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42672  +comment (10Yaron Koren)
[15:06:26] 	 03(mod) next button does nothing - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42640  (10j.nailor)
[15:07:09] 	 New review: Hashar; "adresses issues in PS3" [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/33714
[15:07:25] 	 New patchset: Hashar; "abstract utf8 validation fallback" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/33714
[15:07:25] 	 New patchset: Hashar; "(bug 41146) DatabaseOracle no more rely on mbstring" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/31141
[15:09:21] 	 New review: Hashar; "being conservative, I would say keep the 250.  Really, need to have a look at the rest of the code a..." [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36358
[15:14:02] 	 03(NEW) action=options needs documentation - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42687 normal; MediaWiki: Documentation; (yyairrand)
[15:14:15] 	 06(LATER) way to prioritize transcodes - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41923  normal->15enhancement; +comment (10Jan Gerber)
[15:15:59] 	 Reedy/anyone else: In the API query api.php?action=query&prop=revisions&meta=siteinfo&titles=Main%20Page , the result is just the sum of api.php?action=query&prop=revisions&titles=Main%20Page and api.php?action=query&meta=siteinfo
[15:16:05] 	 Is that generally the case?
[15:16:46] 	 (&meta and &prop are processed separately then summed)
[15:17:05] 	 New review: Hashar; "Should we abandon this change?" [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12243
[15:19:08] 	 sounds like a bug
[15:22:09] 	 Nikerabbit: if you were addressing me, that's actually an example from the help output :/ Im still trying to find a good example of a meta filter
[15:23:14] 	 Nikerabbit: Aha, found one, globaluserinfo
[15:24:18] 	 New patchset: Nikerabbit; "Update logging to latest standards, including pretty formatting." [mediawiki/extensions/Renameuser] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5288
[15:25:30] 	 Nikerabbit: ANd allmessages, kind of.
[15:25:39] 	 New review: J; "someone on #wikimedia-operations complained that it was hard to purge the squid cache for a video. t..." [mediawiki/core] (master) C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35574
[15:26:06] 	 Nikerabbit: Fair's fair, I said I'd rewrite my patch if meta filters already existed, and they do, so *rewrites patch*
[15:26:07] 	 New review: Raimond Spekking; "i18n review" [mediawiki/extensions/TimedMediaHandler] (master); V: -1 C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36766
[15:29:13] 	 New patchset: J; "Bug 42050 -  improve timedmedia-subtitle-new-desc" [mediawiki/extensions/TimedMediaHandler] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36766
[15:33:23] 	 03(NEW) AddTermSearchKey.sql fails on sqlite - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42688 normal; MediaWiki extensions: WikidataRepo; (daniel.kinzler)
[15:34:59] 	 Change merged: Jeroen De Dauw; [mediawiki/extensions/Maps] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/32880
[15:35:38] 	 03(mod) enotif doesn't send email if page on watchlist edited following a minor edit and enotif not configured to send minor edits. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/27884  +comment (10Richard Guk)
[15:38:58] 	 New review: Raimond Spekking; "Looks ok from i18n view. But not tested due to missing locally setup." [mediawiki/extensions/TimedMediaHandler] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36766
[15:39:10] 	 03(NEW) AddRowIDs.sql fails on sqlite - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42689 normal; MediaWiki extensions: WikidataRepo; (daniel.kinzler)
[15:39:14] 	 Change abandoned: Nikerabbit; "(no reason)" [mediawiki/extensions/UniversalLanguageSelector] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/32030
[15:39:28] 	 Change merged: Jeroen De Dauw; [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMaps] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36757
[15:41:02] 	 New review: Jeroen De Dauw; "Thanks to Siebrands efforts, there should be very little of those left in the popular extensions :)" [mediawiki/core] (master) C: 1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36735
[15:46:28] 	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Fixed incorrect course title handling after single namespace rewrite" [mediawiki/extensions/EducationProgram] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35684
[15:47:01] 	 New patchset: Hashar; "composer.json" [mediawiki/extensions/Validator] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36771
[15:48:41] 	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Fixed link shown in failiure message" [mediawiki/extensions/EducationProgram] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35778
[15:53:06] 	 03(mod) Add "show new changes starting from" links to Watchlist and Newpages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/4903  +comment (10Richard Guk)
[15:53:47] 	 03(mod) enotif doesn't send email if page on watchlist edited following a minor edit and enotif not configured to send minor edits. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/27884  +comment (10Richard Guk)
[15:55:49] 	 03(NEW) Please add a new namespace for ro.wp - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42690 normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (crangasi2001)
[15:57:14] 	 New review: Hashar; "Untested, I just know the file is validated by composer :-]" [mediawiki/extensions/Validator] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36771
[16:00:32] 	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Fixed link shown in failiure message" [mediawiki/extensions/EducationProgram] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35778
[16:00:51] 	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Fixed link shown in failiure message" [mediawiki/extensions/EducationProgram] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35778
[16:02:37] 	 New review: Jeroen De Dauw; "I see I'm not the only one playing around with composer :)" [mediawiki/extensions/Validator] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36771
[16:02:37] 	 Change merged: Jeroen De Dauw; [mediawiki/extensions/Validator] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36771
[16:03:05] 	 New review: Alex Monk; "According to https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Coding_conventions/PHP#Spaces you should be using..." [mediawiki/extensions/UploadWizard] (master); V: 0 C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36768
[16:03:30] 	 New patchset: Siebrand; "Remove unused variables" [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36772
[16:03:30] 	 New patchset: Siebrand; "Declare variables at the top of functions" [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36773
[16:03:30] 	 New patchset: Siebrand; "Use brackets" [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36774
[16:03:31] 	 New patchset: Siebrand; "Move var declaration to the top of the function" [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36775
[16:03:31] 	 New patchset: Siebrand; "Remove redundant units of measure" [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36776
[16:03:31] 	 New patchset: Siebrand; "Reduce duplicated jQuery selectors" [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36777
[16:08:38] 	 New patchset: Matthias Mullie; "Remove dependency on E3Experiments for clicktracking" [mediawiki/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36730
[16:09:25] 	 New review: Siebrand; "I did a lot of the initial grunt work and got frustrated. I'm very glad that Niklas completed this. ..." [mediawiki/extensions/Renameuser] (master); V: 0 C: 1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5288
[16:09:41] 	 Greetings all, I've got a weird slowdown problem I'm having a hard time tracking down.. I'm running 1.19 and it seems like any page that's not cached (for instance, Recent Changes) takes an excruciatingly long time to generate (we're talking north of 20 seconds on each pageload). Problem is, there is no load on the server while this wait happens, not on nginx or on mysql
[16:10:25] 	 I don't even have that many changes or users either.. about 30 changes on the page and less than 10 users
[16:10:58] 	 I'm wondering where I should start looking here
[16:13:11] 	 karunamon: Do you have access to php.ini
[16:13:40] 	 Ulfr: Yes, I have root on the server actually
[16:13:50] 	 karunamon: Ye gods, someone I can actually help :P
[16:13:54] 	 New patchset: Siebrand; "Update logging to latest standards, including pretty formatting." [mediawiki/extensions/Renameuser] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5288
[16:13:59] 	 ^^
[16:14:14] 	 karunamon: Make sure you have a memory limit set in php.ini, 128M is pretty safe. Also make sure you have memcached disabled if it's small
[16:14:59] 	 Already set to 128M, memcached is off
[16:15:05] 	 karunamon: Linky?
[16:15:08] 	 New review: Siebrand; "PS20: Update of $wgLogActionsHandlers by Niklas." [mediawiki/extensions/Renameuser] (master); V: 0 C: 1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/5288
[16:15:19] 	 Ulfr: sorry, it's on an internal network
[16:15:21] 	 New patchset: Liangent; "New collation: zh-zhuyin (bopomofo)." [mediawiki/core] (chinese-collation) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36778
[16:15:45] 	 karunamon: Hm. Got any extensions installed?
[16:18:30] 	 Ulfr: A few - list here http://pastebin.com/XiywXKZV
[16:18:58] 	 New patchset: J; "Use async upload-from-stash" [mediawiki/extensions/UploadWizard] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36768
[16:19:23] 	 New review: Siebrand; "This PS is a nightmare because the RELEASE-NOTES change conflicts every few hours. Isn't there anyth..." [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/29279
[16:19:33] 	 karunamon: Nothing incredibly offensive there. Have you tried profiling it yet?
[16:19:58] 	 Ulfr: profiling?
[16:20:32] 	 karunamon: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Profiling#Profiling
[16:20:39] 	 03(mod) Fundraising banner obstructing page content as user scrolls - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42671  +comment (10MZMcBride)
[16:26:22] 	 03(mod) Should warn and/or save edits if collaborate is switched off - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39444   +patch-in-gerrit; +comment (10Dereckson)
[16:35:44] 	 Ulfr: Neat tool :) - Looks like a heck of a lot of time is being spent in RecentChangesBlockGroup and Linker-linkcheckpageexistence
[16:36:30] 	 karunamon: Well now you're outside of areas I've got experience tinkering with, but somebody smarter than me should be able to help you no problem
[16:37:17] 	 Ulfr: Output is here, derp forgot that- http://pastebin.com/V8V6VS3x - Thanks for trying though ^^
[16:39:02] 	 karunamon: Yeah man, not a problem. I just know my limits. last time I messed with the linker I had to restore from backup
[16:50:22] 	 03(mod) New aliases in RuWiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42511  +comment (10Dereckson)
[16:54:25] 	 New patchset: Liangent; "New collation: zh-zhuyin (bopomofo)." [mediawiki/core] (chinese-collation) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36778
[16:54:37] 	 bopo mofo?
[16:54:38] 	 heh
[16:56:29] 	 Reedy: It's a fork of OpenMoko meant for inner-city kids
[16:56:36] 	 Ulfr: Hey for what it's worth I ran a database optimize and now it's down to 12 seconds generating that page.. now it's not spending so much time in the linker as EnhancedChangesList::recentChangesBlock
[16:56:42] 	 03(ASSIGNED) Please add a new namespace for ro.wp - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42690  normal->15enhancement;  +shell; +comment (10Dereckson)
[16:57:12] 	 ..which basically tells me something I already know, that the amount of time recent changes takes to render is too damn high :P
[16:58:50] 	 New patchset: Subramanya Sastry; "Added a few tests to spec HTML-pre behavior and test Parsoid." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36782
[17:07:30] 	 03(mod) Meta-Wiki mobile site has errant trademark symbol (™) in footer - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41141  +comment (10MZMcBride)
[17:08:18] 	 New patchset: jan; "(bug 24620) Add types to LogFormatter" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/29279
[17:12:19] 	 03(mod) CSS attributes stripped when raw HTML is allowed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37248   +easy (10MZMcBride)
[17:13:25] 	 03(mod) Meta-Wiki mobile site has errant trademark symbol (™) in footer - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41141  +comment (10Arthur Richards)
[17:18:31] 	 03(mod) Please edit the archives of wikilovesmonuments-l mailing list - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42673   +ops; +comment (10Platonides)
[17:18:36] 	 03(mod) Rename "Preferences" to "Settings" in MediaWiki core - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41953  +comment (10MZMcBride)
[17:19:48] 	 03(mod) Mobile sites being indexed by search engines - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35233  +comment (10MZMcBride)
[17:19:50] 	 03(mod) GoogleNewSitemap: Cannot use object of type Message as array - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42648  +comment (10Bawolff)
[17:22:31] 	 New review: Brian Wolff; "Causes bug 42648" [mediawiki/extensions/GoogleNewsSitemap] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/26593
[17:23:29] 	 03(mod) Wikidata redirect to www URL doesn't work properly - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41847  +comment (10MZMcBride)
[17:23:57] 	 Hmm, I wonder if the big revert button on gerrit can actually allow me to revert stuff without having git installed whatsoever on my current computer
[17:24:21] 	 yes as long as nothing conflicts
[17:25:04] 	 New patchset: Brian Wolff; "(bug 42648) Revert "Maintenance for GoogleNewsSitemap extension."" [mediawiki/extensions/GoogleNewsSitemap] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36786
[17:25:31] 	 That is handy
[17:26:38] 	 New patchset: Matthias Mullie; "Refactor AFT backend" [mediawiki/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/24264
[17:27:06] 	 03(mod) GoogleNewSitemap: Cannot use object of type Message as array - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42648  +comment (10Bawolff)
[17:27:43] 	 New review: jan; "I have removed the whitespace." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/29279
[17:30:34] 	 Reedy (or whomever else): Any chance I1ab5a84d could get deployed to Wikinews relatively quickly
[17:32:43] 	 03(NEW) Debug Errors in Semantic 1.8 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42691 major; MediaWiki extensions: Semantic MediaWiki; (d3mon)
[17:34:05] 	 hello all -- rumor has it there is no rich editor on latest release... can some one let me know if this is ture?
[17:34:10] 	 Change merged: Aaron Schulz; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36609
[17:34:24] 	 03(mod) next button does nothing - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42640  +comment (10Lupo)
[17:35:33] 	 does anyone know if there is a drop down option when creating a category tag? 
[17:35:53] * orbarron1  looking for a way to minimize category tags
[17:36:13] 	 03(mod) en.wikinews Liquid Threads implementation has weird layout issue - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40501  +comment (10Bawolff)
[17:38:29] 	 03(mod) next button does nothing - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42640  +comment (10Lupo)
[17:38:51] 	 Change merged: GWicke; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36782
[17:39:11] 	 orbarron1: There is no rich editor
[17:39:38] 	 Rich editor is still has quite a bit of work to do from what I understand
[17:39:49] 	 any plans to add it later?
[17:39:56] 	 Yes.
[17:40:01] 	 I'm not sure what the current schedule for visual editor is - but I wouldn't expect it next release either
[17:40:03] 	 does anyone have an ETA?
[17:40:27] 	 Heh. GWicke may have a comment, perhaps.
[17:40:48] 	 orbarron1: There's a planning page at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/VisualEditor
[17:40:53] 	 
[17:41:12] 	 New patchset: Reedy; "Update GoogleNewsSitemap to master" [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.21wmf5) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36789
[17:41:13] 	 also, hi bawolff!
[17:41:27] 	 Hi Amgine! How's life on your side of the web
[17:41:33] 	 orbarron1, I think there are some scripts for giving a list of categories
[17:41:42] 	 Change merged: Reedy; [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.21wmf5) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36789
[17:41:43] 	 You didn't comment on the removal of the anti-cli code...
[17:42:12] 	 Amgine: Me? I'm not aware of said removal
[17:42:17] 	 It's okay, getting busy looking at next year's travels (travails)
[17:42:30] 	 I've honestly not been paying attention to mediawiki as much as I used to
[17:42:36] 	 03(mod) next button does nothing - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42640  +comment (10Lupo)
[17:42:52] 	 Yah, I know. But https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/26593/3/GoogleNewsSitemap_body.php <- first line change.
[17:42:58] 	 (interestingly, you are trying to minimize categories, a few days ago someone wanted 100 thousand categories)
[17:43:09] 	 (since I *know* you read that)
[17:43:15] 	 Oh that
[17:43:20] 	 Well you can'
[17:43:49] 	 t really do a register globals vulnrability if the file only contains a class [AFAIK], so its not really needed
[17:44:04] 	 kk.
[17:44:26] 	 Platonides: aren't there somewhere north of 300k cats on en.wp?
[17:44:44] 	 I'd be surprised if there are only 300 000
[17:45:03] 	 04(REOPENED) Transclusion from pages built by a template - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/21339  +comment (10Merlijn van Deen)
[17:45:22] 	 I think it was 388k during the strat project. I was talking to info people and they were... dismayed.
[17:46:03] 	 Reedy: Thank you :D
[17:48:02] 	 03(mod) [SMW 1.8] Notice: Array to string conversion in ... SMW_SQLStore3_Writers.php on line 383 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42691  summary (10MWJames)
[17:48:42] 	 New patchset: Siebrand; "(bug 42648) Fix incorrect variable re-use" [mediawiki/extensions/GoogleNewsSitemap] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36791
[17:49:20] 	 03(mod) GoogleNewSitemap: Cannot use object of type Message as array - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42648  +comment (10Siebrand)
[17:49:51] 	 bugzilla will be down for maintenance in a couple minutes..if you really wanted to file a bug immediately,,now is the time
[17:50:12] 	 New review: Siebrand; "This doesn't fix anything yet, does it?" [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.21wmf5) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36789
[17:50:19] 	 New review: Siebrand; "See Ia77e9c44." [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.21wmf5) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36789
[17:50:38] 	 New review: Siebrand; "Fix in Ia77e9c44." [mediawiki/extensions/GoogleNewsSitemap] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/26593
[17:51:44] 	 03(mod) display problem, login problem, possible caching issue - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42452  +comment (10Oliver Keyes)
[17:53:30] 	 03(mod) Review and deploy SVGEdit extension to Wikimedia wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38271  +comment (10Jarry1250)
[17:56:33] 	 03(mod) Wikinews' users should be "Wikinewsies", not "wikireporters" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/30755  +comment (10Bawolff)
[17:56:58] 	 03(mod) Wikinews' users should be "Wikinewsies", not "wikireporters" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/30755  (10Bawolff)
[17:57:25] 	 New delicious thing for urr kitchen - http://develop.consumerium.org/wiki/User:Juxo/Kitchenblog#Salmon_and_broccoli_boiled_in_cream_and_stock - This recipe is dedicated to all FOSS devels
[17:57:46] 	 thanks for the heads-up mutante 
[17:58:08] 	 mutante: andre__ - did you send out a wikitech-l heads-up as well? I am catching up on email right now and might not have seen it
[17:58:28] 	 sumanah, http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2012-December/064780.html ?
[17:58:47] 	 I mean about the BZ upgrade
[17:59:00] 	 ah :)
[17:59:02] 	 thanks for the skin breakage note too, though, andre__ 
[17:59:02] 	 Change merged: Nikerabbit; [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36772
[17:59:25] 	 not yet. I can do that right now :)
[18:00:46] 	 03(mod) StripState->addItem internal error - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42637  +comment (10Bawolff)
[18:01:37] 	 Change merged: Nikerabbit; [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36773
[18:01:45] 	 New patchset: CSteipp; "Fix Release Notes" [mediawiki/core] (REL1_20) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36793
[18:02:55] 	 RagePanda: why the rage?
[18:04:25] 	 sumanah: got back home from a long trip. Hearing about how my college is screwing over a friend and fellow geek very badly (he might drop out), and realize i'll need to go talk to those same people as if nothing has happened in a few days. rage at my helplessness
[18:04:43] 	 Change merged: Nikerabbit; [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36774
[18:04:46] 	 that's terrible
[18:05:21] 	 Change merged: Nikerabbit; [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36775
[18:06:40] 	 RagePanda: you are doing your bit, IMO, as a role model and an existence proof
[18:07:05] 	 sumanah: and support (moral and otherwise)
[18:07:13] 	 yeah
[18:07:37] 	 sumanah: but that I can not do anything directly - that i need to actually smile at these people - makes me feel hypocritical.
[18:07:44] 	 and fake
[18:07:46] 	 Platonides: bawolff -- thanks
[18:07:46] 	 absolutely
[18:09:18] 	 guillom: heads-up: "Re: [Wikitech-l] Advertising changes to MediaWiki messages in core" is a thread you should pay attention to, in case people are coming to the wrong consensus :-)
[18:09:48] 	 thanks
[18:11:37] 	 sumanah: lol, irc is where the cabal dwells! :D
[18:12:51] 	 New review: Brian Wolff; "Honestly, using $msg is still a little confusing, because that's reused later in function, but nonet..." [mediawiki/extensions/GoogleNewsSitemap] (master); V: 0 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36791
[18:13:10] 	 New review: Brian Wolff; "Honestly, using $msg is still a little confusing, because that's reused later in function, but nonet..." [mediawiki/extensions/GoogleNewsSitemap] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36791
[18:13:11] 	 Change merged: Brian Wolff; [mediawiki/extensions/GoogleNewsSitemap] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36791
[18:13:58] 	 Change abandoned: Brian Wolff; "Siebrand fixed his code in gerrit change 36791" [mediawiki/extensions/GoogleNewsSitemap] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36786
[18:14:48] 	 I'm looking for a hand-holding, step-by-step tutorial for using mediawiki for users of low technical skill.
[18:14:52] 	 Reedy: Sorry. Earlier the revert I did didn't get committed, because it was still listed as under review. Do you mind doing what you did earlier again. This time siebrand's fix is merged into master
[18:15:01] 	 not installing or adminning it, using it
[18:15:13] 	 no such thing appears to exist ... does anybody know of one?
[18:15:29] 	 agliodbs: We do have some help pages
[18:15:32] 	 New review: Nikerabbit; "It looks ok, but I think some of the params should be dropped in favor of suggesting to implement a ..." [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/29279
[18:15:55] 	 bawolff: yeah, I'm talking here about 60-year-old rural artists.  Help pages are not sufficient.
[18:16:16] 	 the help pages assume that you are an experienced computer user
[18:16:30] 	 Unfortunatly most do. There are a couple that don't
[18:16:42] 	 agliodbs: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:TMM ?
[18:16:53] 	 partially enwiki-specific, but you could filter these parts out
[18:17:02] 	 almost all would assume you know how to use a keyboard/mouse though (if you're talking that inexperianced)
[18:17:16] 	 well, largely enwiki-specific, but it has good parts
[18:17:32] 	 MatmaRex: I didn't know about that one, thanks.  Unfortuntely, that seems to be all about Wikipedia and its community.  
[18:17:32] 	 New patchset: Reedy; "Update GoogleNewsSitemap to master" [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.21wmf5) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36795
[18:18:09] 	 bawolff: well, presumably.  But we're talking about a crowd who has never heard the word "markup" before.  And doesn't know the difference between HTTP and FTP.
[18:18:12] 	 agliodbs: so let me make sure I understand -- you are running your own MediaWiki installation?
[18:18:17] 	 sumanah: yes
[18:18:22] 	 ceramicist.org
[18:18:36] 	 agliodbs: there's a new Visual Editor we're working on but it only works on some platforms
[18:18:45] 	 what kinds of computers or tablets are most of the ceramicists using?
[18:18:54] 	 sumanah: everything and anything.  
[18:18:59] 	 mostly old
[18:19:04] 	 ok, so that won't work
[18:19:06] 	 Change merged: Reedy; [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.21wmf5) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36795
[18:19:14] 	 honestly, MediaWiki might not be the right choice for you, agliodbs 
[18:19:24] 	 sumanah: the old Visual editor produced HTML instead of wikimarkup, anyway
[18:19:33] 	 agliodbs: I would suggest making videos of people editing perhaps. Nothing explains things like a video
[18:19:47] 	 New patchset: Subramanya Sastry; "New parser tests to spec wikitext behavior found on en:WP" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36797
[18:19:52] 	 there may already be videos
[18:19:55] 	 sumanah: is there something else you'd suggest?
[18:20:19] 	 sumanah: I searched pretty hard.  there's LOTS of stuff about how to install/hack mediawiki.  Zero about how so use it.
[18:20:39] 	 Reedy: Thank you. I confirm it now works on enwikinews (and sorry about earlier
[18:20:52] 	 agliodbs: forking the English Wikipedia HOWTOs and turning on, sitewide, one of the WYSIWYG editors that does work ok on older browsers/OSes?
[18:21:07] 	 bawolff:  I was hoping that something already existed.
[18:21:24] 	 agliodbs: I take it you've seen http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Contents (probably more technical than you're looking for)
[18:21:29] 	 agliodbs: so, probably, those documents exist on other wikis that lots of people use, like Wikia wikis or something
[18:21:41] 	 ("how to edit a wiki" but not as Wikipedia-specific)
[18:21:45] 	 sumanah: I couldn't find them.
[18:22:02] 	 if they exist, Google doesn't know about them.
[18:22:03] 	 agliodbs: try emailing mediawiki-l and mediawiki-enterprise maybe -- those administrators are people like you
[18:22:24] 	 Change merged: Nikerabbit; [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36776
[18:22:42] 	 New patchset: Subramanya Sastry; "New parser tests to spec wikitext behavior found on en:WP" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36797
[18:23:00] 	 evening
[18:23:00] 	 you might also visit #wiki to talk about what the best wiki platform is for people of low technical skill and on (often) very old computers.  It might be DokuWiki or MoinMoin or something
[18:23:10] 	 what is FTP?
[18:23:16] 	 sumanah: yeah, the Help is targeted at technical users.  Works great for me.  The artists?  Not so much.
[18:23:52] 	 btw agliodbs the documents you might be able to adapt more easily might be on http://outreach.wikimedia.org/
[18:24:24] 	 so, those are my suggestions -- the people in those environments know far more about your particular dilemma than do the developers and sysadmins here in #mediawiki
[18:24:29] 	 make sense, agliodbs?
[18:24:53] 	 Nikerabbit, File Transfer Protocol
[18:24:58] 	 sumanah: ok, thanks
[18:25:05] 	 good luck agliodbs - it's a hard road you're on
[18:25:17] 	 Krenair: someone still using it?
[18:25:18] 	 if you choose to continue with MediaWiki, get on mediawiki-l
[18:25:53] 	 yep
[18:26:03] 	 noooo!
[18:26:20] 	 Nikerabbit: I actually used it to transfer stuff from my friends laptop to mine. Neither of us had usb sticks or anything and it was fastest to apt-get install an ftp server on my computer even though the computers were in the same room
[18:26:33] 	 makes sense
[18:27:36] 	 Change merged: GWicke; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36797
[18:28:01] 	 
[18:29:09] <^demon>	 bawolff: You could've uploaded everything to Google Drive ;-)
[18:30:01] 	 Oh Google - it always has all the answers
[18:30:23] 	 and everything else you've given them...
[18:30:39] 	 Well where do you think they get all the answers from ;)
[18:30:44] 	 <- has an owncloud instance or two.>
[18:31:49] 	 New patchset: Matthias Mullie; "Refactor AFT backend" [mediawiki/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/24264
[18:36:48] 	 btw chrismcmahonbrb you saw "[Wikitech-l] unit testing foreign wiki access"?
[18:41:59] 	 sumanah: Hi! I came accross this : http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/mediawiki/267841 :D
[18:42:25] 	 I never knew that you were helping! Thank you so much :))
[18:43:23] 	 New patchset: Aaron Schulz; "Added async upload-from-stash support." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36697
[18:43:23] 	 New patchset: Aaron Schulz; "[Upload] Added async upload concatenation support." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/34062
[18:44:50] 	 Change merged: Aaron Schulz; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36751
[18:44:56] 	 sumanah: #wiki seems to be unpopulated.  I'll try the lists, I guess
[18:45:43] 	 New patchset: Matmarex; "(bug 17808) (bug 21167) use real links for search suggestions" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/23674
[18:46:03] 	 New patchset: Matmarex; "(bug 17808) (bug 21167) use real links for search suggestions" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/23674
[18:46:20] * aude  misses bugzilla!
[18:46:25] 	 :D
[18:47:32] 	 Bugzilla ate my cookie :'(
[18:47:43] 	 SuchetaG: :) glad to help publicize things! That's more on qgil's TODO list now, that kind of thing
[18:47:48] 	 New review: Matmarex; "PS24: implemented the special suggestions as a link. Unfortunately the implementation is far from pe..." [mediawiki/core] (master) C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/23674
[18:47:52] <^demon>	 aude: I would say Bugzilla misses you too, but I'd be lying. Bugzilla loves no one.
[18:48:05] 	 agliodbs: :/ it might be the time of day. I think it's more Europeans who use #wiki
[18:48:17] 	 New review: Mattflaschen; "These are some comments re border-radius and filter." [mediawiki/extensions/Onboarding] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35598
[18:48:37] 	 heh
[18:49:23] 	 Amgine: I'm rather an scp person like you
[18:50:09] 	 sumanah: I have taken it too on my TODO list ( as much as I can ) :D  But, the fact, that  I never knew that you were helping made me giggle a lot today ^_^
[18:50:11] 	  Evil twinsies!
[18:50:31] 	 New patchset: Robmoen; "If more than one title in suggestions match, select the first item." [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36799
[18:50:55] 	 hee!
[18:55:05] 	 New patchset: Matmarex; "(bug 17808) (bug 21167) use real links for search suggestions" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/23674
[18:55:41] 	 ^ i submitted the first version of this on sep 13. this is the 26th patchset. ;_;
[18:56:05] 	 New patchset: preilly; "[RDBStore] Added sharded, external, DB support." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16696
[18:56:13] * sumanah  sees some of those re-submissions were because tests had failed
[18:56:13] 	 Change merged: Trevor Parscal; [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36713
[18:56:22] 	 (someone doesn't run the test suite on his own machine before submission?)
[18:57:20] 	 can't be arsed to install jshint, sorry :)
[18:57:46] 	 then there you have it, you're a bit lazy and it's not particularly anyone else's fault that it's 26 changesets (rather than 15 or 20, still)
[18:58:10] 	 uh, three of those are because of failing builds.
[18:58:22] 	 I know
[18:58:29] 	 including one that was me rebasing it specifically to allow jshint to run, after it was enabled.
[18:58:44] 	 New patchset: preilly; "Class for getting statistically unique IDs NOT a RFC4122 standard string representation" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36801
[18:58:52] 	  !blame MatmaRex|Gerrit
[18:58:56] 	 still -- get into the habit of running the tests on your machine before submission
[18:59:12] 	 if you tell me you'll do that, I'll see what I can do about getting a bit more review for this
[18:59:58] 	 MatmaRex: amateur hint: write the tests first, then code until it works.
[19:00:06] 	 Change merged: preilly; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36801
[19:00:08] 	 Amgine: these are not tests failing.
[19:00:13] 	 Amgine: this is jshint being a dick
[19:00:19] 	 (alright, it does catch some real errors too, i admit)
[19:00:29] 	  
[19:00:48] 	 <- amateur, and couldn't get jshint to work if xyr life depended on it.>
[19:00:58] 	 New review: preilly; "Author: Aaron Schulz" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36801
[19:01:04] 	 New patchset: Matthias Mullie; "Refactor AFT backend" [mediawiki/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/24264
[19:02:00] 	 New patchset: Trevor Parscal; "If more than one title in suggestions match, select the first item." [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36799
[19:03:05] 	 Change merged: Trevor Parscal; [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36799
[19:03:08] 	 New patchset: preilly; "[RDBStore] Added sharded, external, DB support." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16696
[19:05:21] 	 Change merged: Trevor Parscal; [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36714
[19:09:33] 	 hi all. I'm trying to run the web updater on a 1.19.2 install (to get math extension running). After the first screen (language) I get an empty page and nothing happens. Anyone can help me?
[19:09:34] 	 ok, right now it looks like the weekend of May 25 works for a lot of people for the Amsterdam hackathon in 2013.  Ryan_Lane Amgine anomie Nikerabbit petan saper Tpt, I don't see you on the straw poll https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Amsterdam_Hackathon_2013#Straw_Poll 
[19:09:56] 	 I have nothing on my calendar for that month
[19:10:02] 	 it really depends on when openstack summit is
[19:10:10] 	 and that doesn't have a set date
[19:10:16] 	 so, no point in me voting
[19:10:31] 	 !blank | stefahn
[19:10:31] 	  stefahn: A blank page or HTTP 500 error usually indicates a fatal PHP error. For information on debugging (including viewing errors), see .
[19:10:35] 	 here's the URL if anyone wants to test: http://mw.stefahn.alfahosting.org/mediawiki/mw-config/
[19:10:41] 	 stefahn: have you looked at this?
[19:10:54] 	 Ryan_Lane: the point is just to ensure that US people are actually free during Memorial Day and don't have weddinganniversarybirthdaygraduation plans
[19:10:59] 	 I will probably not be able to attend anything outside NA until fall 2013.
[19:11:05] 	 what do you mean with !blank matma?
[19:11:06] 	 New review: Siebrand; "Could you have forgotten to add this to the auto loader?" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36801
[19:11:08] 	 sumanah- Nothing on my calendar either
[19:11:21] 	 ah, to call the wm-bot :)
[19:11:27] 	 anomie: Ryan_Lane - even just saying "yes that works for me" is pretty useful for Maarten
[19:11:37] 	 Amgine: too bad! hope 2014 works then
[19:12:19] 	 Sabbatical year, sumanah; might not work then either.
[19:12:23] 	 ah
[19:12:44] 	 or at least I should amend to: "no current plans"  also helps Maarten
[19:12:48] 	 that's the thing. I could say "that works for me" then the design summit gets scheduled at the same time and I can't go
[19:12:51] 	 Anything happening *in* north america?
[19:12:54] 	 I set my error_mode so I don't see PHP errors on the screen - I will look into this. Thanks!
[19:12:59] 	 stefahn: oh, do you have the bots here silenced? "A blank page or HTTP 500 error usually indicates a fatal PHP error. For information on debugging (including viewing errors), see "
[19:13:05] 	 Amgine: you could make 1 happen ... lemme see
[19:13:06] 	 !meetings
[19:13:06] 	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki_developer_meetings
[19:13:07] 	 stefahn: have you looked at that page? :)
[19:13:37] 	 I saw the bot message, I will check your advise now. Thanks matma!
[19:14:00] 	 Amgine: SMWCon Spring 2013 (March 20-22, 2013, New York City), and yaron1 can talk about how that might be interesting even for people who don't currently develop SMW
[19:14:07] 	 New patchset: Trevor Parscal; "Fix for I7f26b47e9467e850c08b9c217c4f1098590de109" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36802
[19:14:26] 	 Amgine: and of course you can run an event if you're interested, or tell people in your area (DF for instance) that it would be cool to have an event
[19:15:09] 	 Ryan_Lane- you could just say that: "Any date is good as long as it doesn't conflict with openstack"
[19:15:12] 	  I'm willing to host small events any time, as long as people don't mind being over-fed.
[19:15:41] 	 anomie: that's not helpful
[19:15:54] 	 there's only two of us going to that
[19:16:05] 	 New patchset: Aaron Schulz; "Cleaned up UIDGenerator docs a bit." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36803
[19:16:10] 	 ok
[19:16:12] 	 and it likely won't be at the same time
[19:16:16] 	 it'll likely be in april
[19:16:34] 	 someday I won't travel as much for work and I'll be able to attend scifi conventions again
[19:16:43] * sumanah  misses http://wiscon.info
[19:17:30] 	 Change merged: Robmoen; [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36802
[19:17:39] 	 PleaseStand: check out the straw poll https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Amsterdam_Hackathon_2013#Straw_Poll  it'd be great if you could come to the Amsterdam hackathon in 2013
[19:20:24] 	 03(mod) Make pollForChanges check if site tables have been populated - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42681  +comment (10Aude)
[19:22:14] 	 yay, wikibugs is back :)
[19:23:02] 	 Not Bugzilla, tho :/
[19:23:11] 	 I'm glad we're upgrading
[19:23:14] 	 For security reasons, you have been logged out automatically. The cookie that was remembering your login is now gone.
[19:23:17] 	 grrr
[19:23:29] 	 Bugzilla ate your cookie too :/
[19:23:34] 	 heh
[19:23:38] 	 sumanah: Agreed
[19:23:51] 	 I'm grateful for Daniel's and Andre's time and work on this
[19:24:17] 	 I'm so looking forward to the cigarette after this :P
[19:24:36] * sumanah  laughs
[19:25:28] 	 bugzilla is now 4.2.4 
[19:25:35] 	 which is current stable, as opposed to old stable
[19:25:42] 	 03(NEW) #pt-uls .uls-trigger is missing left padding in Modern skin - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42692 normal; MediaWiki extensions: UniversalLanguageSelector; ()
[19:25:48] 	 yay:)
[19:25:49] 	 damn, i wonder what my bugzilla password is.
[19:26:01] 	 Is this the upgrade that makes Bugzilla easy to use?
[19:26:03] 	 lol jk
[19:26:05] 	 hehe. I expect billions of folks that now use the "Recover password" function ;)
[19:26:16] 	 Jarry1250, "easier". "easy" - well... ;)
[19:26:36] 	 Bugzilla, easy?! 
[19:26:38] 	 Jarry1250: it does give us some more configurability so we can make some UI improvements/customization
[19:26:41] 	 great! so now we will have possibility to add more "See also" URLs
[19:26:42] 	 this upgrade does
[19:26:46] 	 in Bugzilla
[19:26:53] 	 Jarry1250: sooo ... what did you want to ask earlier :)
[19:27:01] 	 andre__: is there a short changelog somewhere?
[19:27:05] 	 (just curious)
[19:27:16] 	 MatmaRex, http://www.bugzilla.org/releases/4.2/release-notes.html
[19:27:21] 	 there is now a non-core extension for this and I think they recently added stuff like bugs.php.net etc.
[19:27:22] 	 http://www.bugzilla.org/releases/4.2/release-notes.html#v42_feat
[19:27:27] 	 http://www.bugzilla.org/releases/4.2.4/release-notes.html#v42_feat
[19:27:33] 	 mutante: Oh, just checking up on https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/36583/ . It's really bugging me but it's objectively rather minor
[19:27:37] 	 03(mod) next button does nothing - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42640  (10j.nailor)
[19:27:39] 	 New patchset: Trevor Parscal; "Another fix for I7f26b47e9467e850c08b9c217c4f1098590de109" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36805
[19:27:40] 	 uh, the ui's changed and now my custom styles don't work anymore :(
[19:27:41] 	 (thanks for the comment btw)
[19:27:43] * MatmaRex  dives into code
[19:27:47] 	 Jarry1250: can I say how grateful I am for your metacognition? :)
[19:28:01] 	 New patchset: Kaldari; "Adding photopage as source for Flickr uploads..." [mediawiki/extensions/UploadWizard] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/34856
[19:28:01] 	 mutante: I'd like to repeat this in public: Thanks so much for your work and help on upgrading Bugzilla.
[19:28:02] 	 andre__: what is the 1 little regression you mentioned?
[19:28:13] 	 sumanah: That would rather depend on what metacognition means...
[19:28:17] 	 yes! (now that they are not swamped anymore) THANK YOU andre__ & mutante 
[19:28:21] 	 actually, disregard, they do, i'm just stupid.
[19:28:22] 	 sumanah: we did not apply http://pastebin.com/pE9r6exB for Bugmail.pm
[19:28:35] 	 ...oh lol, ironic.
[19:28:43] 	 Jarry1250: the fact that you recognize that something is bothering you but is actually kinda minor, as opposed to assuming your perspective is perfect and objectively true
[19:28:49] 	 New review: CSteipp; "Minor doc change, restoring it to match tarball" [mediawiki/core] (REL1_20); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36793
[19:28:49] 	 Jarry1250: so the answer why imagescalers work and this doesnt was exactly what i wondered and looked at a bit... the reason appears to be that both are 64bit systems..but the jenkins host, gallium, also needed 32bit libraries for some unrelated reason
[19:28:50] 	 Change merged: CSteipp; [mediawiki/core] (REL1_20) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36793
[19:28:50] 	 Wooohoo, thanks andre__ and mutante.
[19:28:51] 	 but to my surprise, weekly-bug-summary.cgi seems to work (after installing some Perl modules). I really didn't expect this.
[19:29:05] 	 awesome. I got to go for a while but I'll be back online later.
[19:29:10] 	 Jarry1250: then that caused issues with the librsvg package.. it caused it to install librsvg:i386 something
[19:29:12] 	 Change merged: Kaldari; [mediawiki/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36730
[19:29:15] 	 bye, go kill a lung andre__ 
[19:29:21] 	 Change merged: Matthias Mullie; [mediawiki/extensions/UploadWizard] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/34856
[19:29:22] 	 Jarry1250: because "multiarch" is/was enabled on gallium
[19:29:23] 	 ;-)
[19:29:48] 	 Jarry1250: so i could make librsvg work, but break something related to Android testing
[19:29:53] 	 hah.
[19:29:59] 	 sumanah: I seem to lack metametacognition :P Anyway, no, I think it's important to put things in perspective. btw our parser tests system makes you want to kill yourself. Just sayin'
[19:30:12] 	 !change 36688 | Jarry1250 
[19:30:12] 	  Jarry1250 : https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#q,36688,n,z
[19:30:19] 	 mutante: Well, I know which one I'd go for ;)
[19:30:31] 	 /Stage[main]/Misc::Contint::Android::Sdk/Package[ia32-libs] 
[19:30:39] 	 <-- this is broken ...or the other one :p
[19:30:55] 	 i dont know who needs Android SDK on integration.. but i suppose we should talk to mobile
[19:31:05] 	 pretty sure it is for testing android app
[19:31:15] 	 mutante: If there's any logic in this world, yes.
[19:31:28] <^demon>	 mutante: iirc, that's it. For the nightly builds.
[19:31:43] 	 So you've got two options, either there's a workaround for making the SDK work without multiarch, or librsvg work with it.
[19:31:47] 	 ^demon: it seems that is not available as 64bit ...
[19:31:49] 	 New review: Parent5446; "More importantly, how was this merged in a matter of 30 seconds. Was the code review done elsewhere?" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36801
[19:32:02] 	 Jarry1250: tell me more about the parser tests difficulty?
[19:32:04] <^demon>	 mutante: ohnos :(
[19:32:06] <^demon>	 tell hashar.
[19:32:16] 	 i will.. added him as reviewer
[19:32:32] 	 Jarry1250: yes, that sums it up
[19:32:34] 	 03(NEW) activate AFT on dewp - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42693 normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; ()
[19:32:49] 	 sumanah: Oh, we just duplicate some stuff between newParserTest and parserTests.inc totally non obviously. I might add a comment, actually, to that effect.
[19:33:00] 	 that would be good Jarry1250 
[19:33:15] 	 I tcame up on the mailing lists a while (6 weeks?) ago
[19:33:45] 	 mutante: Can we just make puppet not touch certain manual configurations? Is that a thing?
[19:33:58] 	 03(mod) activate AFT on dewp - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42693  (10Raimond Spekking)
[19:34:09] 	 Jarry1250: we can stop it completely
[19:34:10] 	 I missed that note on the lists, Jarry1250 
[19:34:34] 	 sumanah: It wasn't my thread, maybe Daniel Kinzler... I forget, I only skim read it the first time :) *delves*
[19:34:46] 	 okay!
[19:35:23] 	 03(mod) Please add a new namespace for ro.wp - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42690   +patch-in-gerrit; +comment (10Dereckson)
[19:35:38] 	 sumanah: Ah no, wrong Daniel, sorry -- http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/wikitech/296222
[19:36:04] 	 03(NEW) handle extension dependencies in jobs - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42694 normal; Wikimedia: Testing Infrastructure; ()
[19:36:04] 	 03(mod) activate Article Feedback Tool on de.wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42693  normal->15enhancement;  +shell; summary (10Sumana Harihareswara)
[19:36:36] 	 03(mod) handle extension dependencies in Jenkins jobs - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42694  summary (10Antoine "hashar" Musso)
[19:36:56] 	 mutante: Hmm, suboptimal. Can we not tell it precisely what version we want? Or more hackily perhaps we can install it manually and them not mention it in the manifest?
[19:37:14] 	 I'm sorry, this is the first time I've interacted properly with puppet
[19:38:26] 	 robla: btw we currently have one (1) open Immediate bug, https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=42649 "PHP Fatal error: Call to a member function isLocal() on a non-object in Title.php" - I'm diving in a little
[19:38:49] 	 sumanah: I am as well
[19:39:04] 	 03(mod) activate Article Feedback Tool on de.wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42693  +comment (10Andre Klapper)
[19:39:11] 	 Jarry1250: back around
[19:39:39] 	 Jarry1250: wanna discuss with us in operations channel?
[19:39:49] 	 03(mod) Trailing slashes in Gerrit URLs are kind of nasty - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42419  +comment (10Chad H.)
[19:39:53] 	 andre__: are we getting a lot of reports of fatals on wikivoyage, or just this one?
[19:40:00] 	 ok, no Gerrit changeset mentions bug 42649 
[19:40:02] 	 sumanah: Hi! With some other French speaking MW contributors or users, I have the project to create a "French speaking users group". The first action would be to create a place where people can ask for help. This place may be a Talk Page with liquid tread, for the begging.  What do you think about it?
[19:40:28] 	 03(mod) activate Article Feedback Tool on de.wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42693   +patch-in-gerrit; +comment (10Dereckson)
[19:40:32] 	 hi there Tpt! let me bring in the idea of a MediaWiki French group or a French-speaking Thematic Organization?
[19:40:46] 	 03(mod) activate Article Feedback Tool on de.wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42693  +comment (10Dereckson)
[19:41:10] 	 robla: there is only one report about a fatal error that mentions wikivoyage in Bugzilla
[19:41:15] 	 42649 as mentioned
[19:42:04] 	 sumanah: Someting between the two things: a MediaWiki French group that would regroup also other French speaking countries like Belgium.
[19:42:08] 	 New patchset: Katie Horn; "Revalidates data for the orphan rectifier batch operation, and minor fix" [mediawiki/extensions/DonationInterface] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36806
[19:42:39] 	 03(mod) next button does nothing - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42640  +comment (10Lupo)
[19:42:53] 	 andre__: probably not immediate priority then.  I'll dive in a little further to make sure since I'm already looking at it, but I'm guessing we can make this high priority
[19:42:55] 	 Tpt: right, Francophone
[19:43:30] 	 New patchset: Matthias Mullie; "Update ArticleFeedbackv5 to master" [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.21wmf4) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36807
[19:43:42] 	 That sounds like a good idea for me, Tpt -- so this would be for the end-users (readers, editors, contributors) of the French Wikimedia projects?  and some technical people would be there to offer help?
[19:43:43] 	 03(mod) VisualEditor: When editing a non-current revision of a page, alter the "Save page" button behaviour - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41865  (10Trevor Parscal)
[19:44:07] 	 sumanah: More for technical people.
[19:44:18] 	 Tpt: my question would be: where do those people currently seek help and why is that not working?  I ask because I figure that we should look at that to make sure we don't repeat mistakes :-)
[19:44:38] 	 Tpt: ok, so, this is a MediaWiki users group for developers, sysadmins, bot makers, template makers, etc.?
[19:44:46] 	 New patchset: Matthias Mullie; "Update ArticleFeedbackv5 to master" [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.21wmf5) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36808
[19:45:34] 	 Change merged: Matthias Mullie; [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.21wmf4) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36807
[19:45:41] 	 Change merged: Matthias Mullie; [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.21wmf5) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36808
[19:45:43] 	 more for bot makers, template makers but also for sysadmin and beginners in extension creation.
[19:46:27] 	 For templates the cooperation inside of projects works pretty well.
[19:46:45] 	 Tpt: yeah, but we'd like to encourage more cooperation between projects on templates, especially with Lua 
[19:46:55] 	 sumanah: I'm currently fine with any weekend for the hackathon
[19:47:17] 	 Nikerabbit: ok, if you wouldn't mind saying that onwiki I think that will help Maarten be reassured that WMF people will actually come :D
[19:47:32] 	 Change merged: Mwalker; [mediawiki/extensions/DonationInterface] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36806
[19:47:51] 	 New review: Raimond Spekking; "i18nreview. Once this issue is solved I will add the extension to Translatewiki.net" [mediawiki/extensions/Onboarding] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35598
[19:48:04] 	 New review: Daniel Friesen; ""I can't just stuff the entire thing into an , as it's an inline element, not allowed to contain ..." [mediawiki/core] (master) C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/23674
[19:48:15] 	 I'll try
[19:48:26] 	 thank you Nikerabbit 
[19:49:23] 	 sumanah: Yes, Lua is one of the topic where the user group would be useful. When Lua will be deployed in Wikimedia project, I have the project to organize a small event in Paris for local contributors with the help of Wikimedia France.
[19:49:24] 	 I think the new Bugzilla is FASTER
[19:49:43] 	 qgil: back you are! look at the recent log in this channel to see what Tpt is suggesting and maybe you can help him become a new Rep!
[19:50:14] 	 Tpt: hmm, maybe you can join and enlarge the "Tiny (3-4 developers) Offline Hackathon 2013 (March-April 2013, Paris)" mentioned at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Events#2013
[19:50:21] 	 03(mod) Wikidata redirect to www URL doesn't work properly - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41847  +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[19:50:24] 	 so it's not just an offline-focused event :-)
[19:51:10] 	 03(mod) activate Article Feedback Tool on de.wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42693  +comment (10Dereckson)
[19:52:05] 	 StevenW: Hi. What S just wrote on wikitech-l, about the overriding of welcomecreation on many wikis made me VERY VERY \o/ HAPPY.
[19:52:05] 	 03(mod) Callbacks attached to "mw-mf-page-loaded" event slow down after a few calls - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42562  +comment (10Jon)
[19:52:43] 	 Bugs mail notification are nicer.
[19:53:04] 	 We have a proper HTML array to show the metadata changes.
[19:53:32] 	 03(mod) Switching between desktop and mobile view should redirect to canonical URLs - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36182  +comment (10Arthur Richards)
[19:54:28] 	 sumanah: Hum, I don't think the events are compatible: this offline hackaton want, if I have read well its description to be small and under a long period (5 days)
[19:54:58] 	 I believe they want to use the Wikimedia France office.
[19:55:08] 	 Tpt: ah, ok, you're the best judge :-)
[19:56:25] 	 sumanah, Tpt yessss, as soon as I'm done with this call
[19:56:29] 	 okay
[19:57:11] 	 03(mod) "Powered by Semantic MediaWiki" button needs a redesign - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42128  (10d3mon)
[19:57:34] 	 yay for some of the new things we'll be able to do in the new Bugzilla! like: "Disabling Old Components, Versions and Milestones"  and "Most changes made through the admin interface are now logged to the database, in the audit_log table." and "Users without editbugs privileges can no longer remove other users from the CC list of bugs." and "After editing a bug or an attachment, the URL is automatically changed to show_bug.cgi instead of post_bug.cg
[19:57:34] 	 i, process_bug.cgi or attachment.cgi so that reloading the page (for instance when restarting the web browser) displays the right page."
[19:58:15] 	 03(mod) activate Article Feedback Tool on de.wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42693  +comment (10Dereckson)
[20:00:25] 	 03(mod) activate Article Feedback Tool on de.wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42693  +comment (10se4598)
[20:00:29] 	 Somehow unstyled html tables look even worse than ascii drawn tables...
[20:00:37] 	 Bugzilla taught me this.
[20:00:50] * MatmaRex  is eagerly awaiting new bugmail
[20:01:29] 	 03(mod) Callbacks attached to "mw-mf-page-loaded" event slow down after a few calls - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42562  +comment (10Juliusz Gonera)
[20:01:30] 	 Although what the point of changing the type of table was when such information would be best presented in another form entirely is beyond me.
[20:01:47] 	 Isarra: mild improvements are still improvements?
[20:01:51] 	 MatmaRex: If I give you bugmail, will you teach me how to use OTRS?
[20:01:59] 	 sumanah: I'm not sure this even is an improvement.
[20:02:06] 	 It's just... different.
[20:02:37] 	 New review: Matmarex; "Hm, that's interesting. But will it work on IE 6?" [mediawiki/core] (master) C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/23674
[20:02:52] <^demon>	 Styling the tables would be even worse than adding html tables to begin with.
[20:02:58] <^demon>	 Plaintext e-mails 4ever.
[20:03:09] 	 Isarra: i never used it myself :(
[20:03:24] 	 Shouldn't be using tables at all to tell us someone added a CC or what have you. >.<
[20:03:27] 	 That's just silly.
[20:03:44] 	 MatmaRex: You lucky bastard.
[20:04:01] 	 It's so bad it makes gerrit seem almost... not bad.
[20:04:33] 	 I'm sure it's fun to whine but just FYI it sort of drives me out of the room
[20:05:03] * sumanah  is being anti-orneriness
[20:05:55] 	 I'm sorry you feel that way.
[20:06:31] 	 everybody's got their quirks
[20:06:42] 	 for me, it's relentless negativity that gets me down. call me weird.
[20:06:51] 	 orneriness?
[20:07:03] 	 "ornery" is an adjective, slangy US dialect
[20:07:45] 	 omg the bugzilla emails look now like gerrit emails
[20:07:56] 	 https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/ornery 
[20:08:32] 	 Yes, I am ornery like some sort of impudent child. It is one of my best features.
[20:09:39] 	 Nikerabbit: http://www.bugzilla.org/releases/4.2.4/release-notes.html#v42_feat
[20:09:49] 	 Nikerabbit: "By default, bugmails (email notifications about changes to bugs) are now sent in an HTML format that is more readable than the old text format. Those who prefer the old text format can still choose it in their Preferences, however."
[20:10:03] 	 !b 33158
[20:10:03] 	 https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33158
[20:10:09] 	 Is this resolved now?
[20:10:25] 	 03(mod) Upgrade Bugzilla to 4.2 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33158  (10Bartosz Dziewoński)
[20:10:32] 	 mutante: would you like to do the honours of closing "33158 - Upgrade Bugzilla to 4.2"?
[20:10:34] 	 03(mod) expand buttons of mobile version stopped working on nokia S60 browser, browser just exit/disappears once clicked - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41407  +comment (10Jon)
[20:10:39] 	 hm, i just cc'd myself.
[20:10:46] 	 (on that bug)
[20:11:05] 	 so i guess it needn't notify everyone
[20:11:12] 	 New review: Daniel Friesen; "Looks fine when I open up http://jsbin.com/ejurub/1 in Scout's IE6." [mediawiki/core] (master) C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/23674
[20:11:12] 	 i'm not that important a person
[20:11:32] 	 sumanah: ok:)
[20:11:52] 	 sumanah: the problem is mostly that I want to get to the details, but those are hard to find from all the other stuff
[20:12:17] 	 03(mod) Upgrade Bugzilla to 4.2 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33158  +comment (10Daniel Zahn)
[20:12:37] <^demon>	 MatmaRex: The hack to not spam IRC/mailing lists for cc list changes seems to have not been applied.
[20:12:43] 	 sumanah: there's a couple of accounts waiting. idk what/how to do with them
[20:12:55] 	 jeremyb: yeah, I need to follow up on that today, I'm sorry for the delay
[20:13:16] 	 ^demon: shouldn't we hack wikibugs instead?
[20:13:18] 	 sumanah: np, but i also don't know what the process is and would like to ;)
[20:13:21] 	 sure
[20:13:34] 	 instead of bugzilla itself?
[20:13:40] 	 MatmaRex, it's easier to control it through bugzilla than mailman imo
[20:13:47] <^demon>	 Indeed.
[20:13:53] <^demon>	 We don't want to send it to wikibugs-l either.
[20:14:09] <^demon>	 Or I thought we didn't--I don't remember a discussion about removing the hack though.
[20:14:12] 	 03(mod) VisualEditor: Link inspector suggestions highlight multiple items if they have the same label - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42665  +comment (10Rob Moen)
[20:14:30] 	 New patchset: preilly; "Add UIDGenerator to AutoLoader" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36812
[20:15:00] 	 preilly: I was about to include that in my test patch, heh
[20:15:02] 	 Change merged: preilly; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36812
[20:15:08] 	 ^demon: errr, can't you just change the prefs for wikibugs-l's bz acct ?
[20:15:18] 	 03(mod) PHP Catchable fatal error: Argument 1 passed to Article::__construct() must be an instance of Title, null given, called in /SemanticForms/includes/SF_ParserFunctions.php on line 569 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42672  +comment (10f.trott)
[20:15:30] <^demon>	 jeremyb: wikibugs-l isn't an account, it's a global watcher.
[20:15:56] 	 03(mod) Upgrade Bugzilla to 4.2 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33158  +comment (10Daniel Zahn)
[20:16:22] 	 Raymond_: Please fill out https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Amsterdam_Hackathon_2013#Straw_Poll
[20:17:12] 	 there's a multichill! hey multichill thanks again for taking the lead on the Amsterdam 2013 event
[20:17:27] 	 multichill: oh yeah
[20:17:56] * siebrand  cheers multichill on!
[20:18:17] 	 multichill: I'm looking forward to finally seeing Amsterdam after several missed opportunities in the last 12 years
[20:18:20] 	 Fill it out you lazy bastards!!!! ;-)
[20:18:32] 	 multichill: I see your approach and mine ..... differ
[20:18:35] 	 :)
[20:18:45] 	 Hahaha
[20:19:26] 	 A bit tongue in cheek should be acceptable, right? ;-)
[20:20:04] 	 siebrand: Thank you and thanks for filling it out. Would be nice to have some more Europe based people filling it out
[20:20:12] 	 New patchset: preilly; "fix sort order" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36813
[20:20:15] 	 New patchset: Jarry1250; "Extend meta=messagegroups API function + better docs" [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/19457
[20:20:35] * multichill  pokes reedy
[20:21:00] 	 And platonides of course, you missed this years hackathon!
[20:21:09] 	 New review: Siebrand; "Yay!" [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36813
[20:21:40] 	 multichill: I did poke the WMF engineering dept as you know, and I've made a special effort to ask the US people whether that weekend's Memorial Day is a problem or an opportunity
[20:21:59] 	 Yes, I noticed a lot of responses. Thank you
[20:22:06] 	 Change merged: preilly; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36813
[20:22:15] 	 New review: Matmarex; "I was mostly thinking about will it be properly clickable. I decided to test out myself: http://jsbi..." [mediawiki/core] (master) C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/23674
[20:22:18] 	 you're welcome multichill! lunchtime, bye
[20:22:21] 	 Dantman: ^ thanks
[20:22:35] 	 ^demon: ahhh
[20:23:17] 	 03(mod) Don't always load interwikis with page HTML - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40678  (10Jon)
[20:25:01] 	 New review: preilly; "@Siebrand — This was originally part of https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/16696 and I moved it." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36801
[20:25:30] 	 New review: preilly; "^^ was actually a response to: @Parent5446" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36801
[20:28:35] 	 03(mod) activate Article Feedback Tool on de.wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42693  +comment (10Dereckson)
[20:28:39] 	 New patchset: Foxtrott; "bugfixes (random numbers not working; checkboxes not uncheckable)" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticForms] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36814
[20:29:45] 	 New patchset: Foxtrott; "bugfixes (random numbers not working; checkboxes not uncheckable)" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticForms] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36814
[20:31:06] 	 03(mod) Please edit the archives of wikilovesmonuments-l mailing list - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42673  +comment (10Platonides)
[20:33:52] 	 New patchset: Demon; "Adding submit rule to prevent people from self-reviewing mediawiki/core" [mediawiki/core] (refs/meta/config) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36815
[20:34:55] 	 New review: Demon; "Removed Jenkins failure since it doesn't know what to do with refs/meta/config (nor would it be any ..." [mediawiki/core] (refs/meta/config); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36815
[20:35:10] 	 New patchset: Aaron Schulz; "Cleaned up UIDGenerator docs a bit." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36803
[20:37:17] 	 multichill: wassup?
[20:37:24] 	 I recently installed MW, and when I try to change my user preferences, I get the "your preferences have been saved" banner, but they are not actually saved.
[20:37:45] 	 Change merged: Robmoen; [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36805
[20:37:49] 	 (It also isn't sending email confirmations but that seems to be a known issue.)
[20:37:57] 	  maxh: That's a bug :(. New release to fix it is coming out today-ish
[20:37:59] 	 Reedy: Trying to get people to fill out https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Amsterdam_Hackathon_2013#Straw_Poll . Can you have a look at it and fill it out too?
[20:38:00] 	 maxh: known issue :(
[20:38:14] 	 maxh: there is a patch if you need it right now, i can try to find it
[20:38:24] 	 03(mod) PHP Fatal error: Call to a member function isLocal() on a non-object in Title.php - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42649  +comment (10Rob Lanphier)
[20:38:29] 	 New patchset: Parent5446; "Changed LoginForm::addNewaccountInternal() to return Status." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17952
[20:39:39] 	 Eh, if there's an update coming soon I'll just grab it then. For clarity, does "today-ish" mean today but very late, or probably today but maybe tomorrow?
[20:39:50] 	 New patchset: Aaron Schulz; "Added tests for UIDGenerator." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36816
[20:40:03] 	 New patchset: Siebrand; "Add group description message for Wikisource Mobile" [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36817
[20:40:12] 	 Probably today, but I hit some issues with the tarball, so it may be a little while
[20:40:23] 	 03(mod) Bugzilla needs a RESOLVED MURDERED resolution - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42595  (10Dereckson)
[20:40:24] 	 Change merged: Siebrand; [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36817
[20:40:35] 	 Change merged: preilly; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36803
[20:40:52] 	 New patchset: Zfilipin; ":mobile Rake task now runs all mobile Cucumber features" [qa/browsertests] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36818
[20:41:00] 	 New patchset: Parent5446; "Added account creation API." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/18127
[20:42:00] 	 New patchset: Siebrand; "Add infrastructure for Wikisource Mobile support" [translatewiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36819
[20:42:44] 	 New patchset: preilly; "[RDBStore] Added sharded, external, DB support." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16696
[20:42:44] 	 Change merged: Siebrand; [translatewiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36819
[20:43:32] 	 03(mod) activate Article Feedback Tool on de.wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42693  (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[20:43:53] 	 New patchset: preilly; "[RDBStore] Added sharded, external, DB support." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16696
[20:44:05] 	 Bugzilla emails with tables in
[20:44:06] 	 Scary stuff
[20:44:20] 	 Change merged: Aaron Schulz; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36749
[20:44:56] 	 03(mod) Review and deploy bugzilla mobile interface in production - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42209  +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[20:45:21] 	 preilly: you also left the uid stuff in the summary
[20:45:27] 	 New patchset: Siebrand; "Add support for WikisourceMobile" [translatewiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36820
[20:46:03] 	 Change merged: Siebrand; [translatewiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36820
[20:46:33] 	 New patchset: preilly; "[RDBStore] Added sharded, external, DB support." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16696
[20:47:21] 	 03(mod) expand buttons of mobile version stopped working on nokia S60 browser, browser just exit/disappears once clicked - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41407  +comment (10Jon)
[20:48:28] 	 New patchset: Parent5446; "Changed temporary password system to use tokens." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/27472
[20:50:44] 	 hey tfinc
[20:51:20] 	 hi
[20:51:21] 	 03(mod) Warn that patches should go to Gerrit instead of Bugzilla - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42606  +comment (10Dereckson)
[20:51:27] 	 03(NEW) Reply doesn't work anymore - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42695 normal; Wikimedia: Bugzilla; ()
[20:52:45] 	 hashar: why does jenkins not give -1 on failure?
[20:52:48] 	 it just makes a comment
[20:53:13] 	 AaronSchulz: which change ? 
[20:53:30] 	 https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/36544/
[20:53:34] 	 AaronSchulz: it should verify -1
[20:53:56] 	 03(mod) VisualEditor: ext.visualEditor.specialMessages module cache invalidation broken - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42670  +comment (10James Forrester)
[20:53:57] 	 Good day. I periodically wind up with a database error because of the objectcache table filling up. I cleaned out the objectcache a couple days ago, and I've got 3143 items with an expiration date of 2038-01-19, 1079 for tomorrow, and 272 for today. I didn't dump the objectcache last time I got an error, because I didn't know what I was looking for.
[20:53:58] 	 AaronSchulz: oh that job is broken :/  It kept giving failure :(
[20:54:10] 	 What might be creating all these objects with an expiration date that far out?
[20:54:22] 	 AaronSchulz: I am going to try to migrate the Wikibase job tomorrow and might make it actually helpful
[20:54:32] 	 poor wikibugs
[20:55:05] 	 New patchset: awjrichards; "Update MobileFrontend to master" [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.21wmf5) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36823
[20:55:24] 	 Change merged: awjrichards; [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.21wmf5) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36823
[20:58:39] 	 Most of them seem to contain the string " wikidb:resourceloader:filter:minify-js:7:"
[21:01:05] 	 saper: Are you around and up for helping someone with a few git/gerrit pointers?
[21:03:00] 	 marktraceur: I am around; I can help; maybe I can be useful :)
[21:03:05] 	 New patchset: Foxtrott; "(bug 42672) null was sometimes passed to Article::_construct" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticForms] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36824
[21:03:17] 	 saper: ilonak here has been working on an OPW submission
[21:03:24] 	 saper: Here is her work so far: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/dashboard/538
[21:03:46] 	 checking
[21:03:46] 	 saper: She'll need some tips re: amending, I think
[21:03:50] 	 Hmm, what was I working on last time I touched some MW code?
[21:04:09] 	 marktraceur: no problem
[21:04:12] 	 03(mod) Reply doesn't work anymore - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42695  +comment (10Valerie Juarez)
[21:04:21] 	 ilonak: privet!
[21:04:22] 	 hi saper will waiting for instructions
[21:04:27] 	 New patchset: Trevor Parscal; "(bug 41865) Save page behavior for oldid" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36833
[21:04:43] 	 ilonak: let me check out this and see what we have
[21:04:48] 	 03(mod) in IE link to feedback page requires two clicks to navigate - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42517  normal->major; +comment (10Chris McMahon)
[21:04:56] 	 03(mod) PHP Catchable fatal error: Argument 1 passed to Article::__construct() must be an instance of Title, null given, called in /SemanticForms/includes/SF_ParserFunctions.php on line 569 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42672   +patch-in-gerrit; +comment (10f.trott)
[21:05:10] 	 I've got a wiki upgraded to 1.18 from older versions with a skin based on an old monobook. it has stopped loading common/shared.css, it seems. any tips on where to look for why that might be?
[21:05:31] 	 New patchset: Foxtrott; "(bug 42672) null was sometimes passed to Article::_construct" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticForms] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36824
[21:06:42] 	 Change merged: Yaron Koren; [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticForms] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36814
[21:08:46] 	 thinkling: loading CSS is at the very top of skins/Monobook.php
[21:08:51] 	 03(mod) VisualEditor: When editing a non-current revision of a page, alter the "Save page" button behaviour - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41865  +comment (10Trevor Parscal)
[21:09:00] 	 compare with your skin and edit accordingly
[21:11:37] 	 MatmaRex: it seems it normally gets added in SkinTemplate::setupSkinUserCss() which my skin does override...
[21:11:50] 	 MatmaRex: oops, *doesn't* override
[21:13:46] 	 03(NEW) Install asciidoc on gallium - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42696 normal; Wikimedia: Testing Infrastructure; ()
[21:13:57] 	 thinkling: hm, then i don't know what could be wrong.
[21:14:31] 	 MatmaRex: K, thanks for the tip. I'll jump into the debugger...
[21:15:45] 	 03(NEW) Searching for duplicates doesn't work - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42697 normal; Wikimedia: Bugzilla; ()
[21:20:55] 	 New patchset: awjrichards; "Update MobileFrontend to master" [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.21wmf5) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36879
[21:21:27] 	 Change merged: awjrichards; [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.21wmf5) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36879
[21:21:56] 	 New review: Siebrand; "Enforcement isn't a replacement for social policing. This will make things too ridged. Just let peop..." [mediawiki/core] (refs/meta/config); V: 0 C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36815
[21:24:41] 	 New patchset: Mattflaschen; "Fix CSS, from early review feedback." [mediawiki/extensions/Onboarding] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36880
[21:27:30] 	 New patchset: Matthias Mullie; "hotfixes" [mediawiki/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36881
[21:28:10] 	 03(mod) Install asciidoc on gallium - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42696  +comment (10Chad H.)
[21:30:44] 	 New review: Cmcmahon; "support for mobile browser tests" [qa/browsertests] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36818
[21:30:44] 	 Change merged: Cmcmahon; [qa/browsertests] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36818
[21:31:10] 	 New patchset: Matthias Mullie; "hotfixes" [mediawiki/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36881
[21:31:36] 	 saper: Did you wind up helping ilonak?
[21:32:03] 	 marktraceur: yes, we are on privmsg now
[21:32:20] 	 er, not wound up = ongoing
[21:32:23] 	 AOK!
[21:33:09] 	 New patchset: Matthias Mullie; "hotfixes" [mediawiki/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36881
[21:33:34] 	 Change merged: Matthias Mullie; [mediawiki/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36881
[21:35:34] 	 03(mod) History pushState misbehaving on 4.0.4 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41605  +comment (10Jon)
[21:35:42] 	 New patchset: Matthias Mullie; "Update ArticleFeedbackv5 to master" [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.21wmf4) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36884
[21:36:16] 	 03(mod) VisualEditor: A wild pawn character appeared! - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42091  +comment (10Christian Williams)
[21:37:27] 	 New patchset: Matthias Mullie; "Update ArticleFeedbackv5 to master" [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.21wmf5) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36885
[21:40:38] 	 New patchset: Trevor Parscal; "(bug 41865) Save page behavior for oldid" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36833
[21:41:50] 	 New patchset: Trevor Parscal; "(bug 41865) Save page behavior for oldid" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36833
[21:41:52] 	 Change abandoned: Matthias Mullie; "(no reason)" [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.21wmf4) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36884
[21:41:59] 	 Change abandoned: Matthias Mullie; "(no reason)" [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.21wmf5) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36885
[21:42:20] 	 03(mod) Bugzilla needs a RESOLVED MURDERED resolution - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42595  +comment (10Platonides)
[21:43:52] 	 New patchset: Matthias Mullie; "Update ArticleFeedbackv5 to master" [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.21wmf4) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36888
[21:43:55] 	 New patchset: Matmarex; "(bug 17808) (bug 21167) use real links for search suggestions" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/23674
[21:44:47] 	 New patchset: Matthias Mullie; "Update ArticleFeedbackv5 to master" [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.21wmf5) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36889
[21:51:03] 	 New review: Matmarex; "So I implemented it, and it allowed me to get rid of the CSS. And it seems to work without too many ..." [mediawiki/core] (master) C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/23674
[21:51:11] 	 Dantman: care to check it out? ^
[21:53:13] 	 03(NEW) long translation breaks layout - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42698 normal; MediaWiki extensions: ArticleFeedbackv5; ()
[21:53:15] 	 Not sure what to say
[21:53:42] 	 New patchset: Christian; "Fixing toolbar icons" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36891
[21:56:03] 	 New review: Massaf; "Probably OK to push this, with the caveat that the container width may change after some testing/twe..." [mediawiki/extensions/Onboarding] (master); V: 0 C: 1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36880
[21:56:55] 	 New patchset: MaxSem; "Allow Solr updates via job queue" [mediawiki/extensions/GeoData] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36892
[21:56:55] 	 New patchset: MaxSem; "Fix class name clash with Extension:GeoMath" [mediawiki/extensions/GeoData] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35831
[21:56:55] 	 New patchset: MaxSem; "Fix failing test" [mediawiki/extensions/GeoData] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35832
[21:56:56] 	 Change abandoned: Matthias Mullie; "(no reason)" [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.21wmf4) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36888
[21:58:08] 	 03(mod) ProofreadPage namespaces for Finnish Wikisource - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40759  (10timothyausten)
[21:58:25] 	 New patchset: Matthias Mullie; "Update ArticleFeedbackv5 to master" [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.21wmf4) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36893
[21:58:42] 	 Change merged: Matthias Mullie; [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.21wmf4) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36893
[21:59:09] 	 Change merged: Matthias Mullie; [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.21wmf5) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36889
[22:00:16] 	 Hi.. After patching to 1.20.1 anyone getting this notice "Notice: Undefined property: DatabaseMysql::$mTrxDoneWrites ........." ??
[22:00:19] 	 New review: Jeroen De Dauw; "Fully agree with Siebrand" [mediawiki/core] (refs/meta/config) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36815
[22:01:17] 	 03(mod) Please edit the archives of wikilovesmonuments-l mailing list - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42673  +comment (10Platonides)
[22:01:29] 	 New patchset: MaxSem; "Fix killlist purging, rename --clean-killlist to --clear-killlist" [mediawiki/extensions/GeoData] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36894
[22:04:09] 	 its, yep, known bug
[22:04:25] 	 !b 42370
[22:04:25] 	 https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=42370
[22:04:29] 	 Krenair, thanks.. so leave it as it is ? 
[22:05:06] 	 Is it stopping you from saving user preferences/rights/watchlists?
[22:05:32] 	 New review: Aaron Schulz; "I feel the same way. Why can't someone merge doc changes or typo fixes?" [mediawiki/core] (refs/meta/config); V: 0 C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36815
[22:05:49] 	 Change abandoned: Cmcmahon; "fixed version to come" [qa/browsertests] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36769
[22:06:06] 	 Yes
[22:06:11] 	 New review: Daniel Friesen; "@Matmarex, try Scout or Browserstacks." [mediawiki/core] (master) C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/23674
[22:06:16] 	 its: a new version will go out soon
[22:06:47] 	 its: or you could apply the patch yourself, if you need a quick fix, https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/36220/1/includes/db/Database.php
[22:06:48] 	 Ok.. cool.. i assume it will be a patch 1.20.2 or 1.20.1.1 or something ? 
[22:07:47] 	 It probably justifies a 1.20.2 release
[22:08:07] 	 I suggest just applying the patch MatmaRex mentioned for now
[22:08:11] 	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "(bug 42602) JavaScript is broken on Special:Ask" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (1.9.x) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36895
[22:08:11] 	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Bump version to 1.8" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (1.9.x) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36896
[22:08:11] 	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Localisation updates from http://translatewiki.net." [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (1.9.x) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36897
[22:08:12] 	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Localisation updates from http://translatewiki.net." [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (1.9.x) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36898
[22:08:12] 	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Localisation updates from http://translatewiki.net." [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (1.9.x) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36899
[22:08:28] 	 Change abandoned: Jeroen De Dauw; "(no reason)" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (1.9.x) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36895
[22:08:33] 	 Change abandoned: Jeroen De Dauw; "(no reason)" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (1.9.x) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36897
[22:08:37] 	 I did the fix, it removes the notice from front page.. but going into subpages the notice still occurs.. but at line 512 there is no $mTrxDoneWrites as I have removed "Trx" part
[22:08:38] 	 Change abandoned: Jeroen De Dauw; "(no reason)" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (1.9.x) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36898
[22:08:43] 	 Change abandoned: Jeroen De Dauw; "(no reason)" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (1.9.x) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36899
[22:08:48] 	 Change abandoned: Jeroen De Dauw; "(no reason)" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (1.9.x) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36896
[22:09:09] 	 Having trouble, JeroenDeDauw?
[22:09:14] 	 actually only on a few pages.. must be cached.. 
[22:09:24] 	 will try to restart browser and clear cache
[22:09:35] 	 its: you should follow the mediawiki-announce list for release announcements
[22:09:36] 	 !lists
[22:09:36] 	 mediawiki-l and wikitech-l are the primary mailing lists for MediaWiki-related issues. See https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Mailing_lists for details.
[22:09:45] 	 yep I do
[22:09:46] 	 Krenair: how did you guess? ;p
[22:09:52] 	 ah, that's great :)
[22:10:32] 	 yep fixed.. :) so I guess leave it as it is and when 1.20.2 comes out.. it will ignore my fix and just work ? :)
[22:10:55] 	 its: if you do a full update (overwrite all the files), yes
[22:11:35] 	 its: if you use the patch that will be provided for updating, it could cause trouble
[22:11:50] 	 (sorry n00b here) .. what i do with patch file is "patch -i mediawiki-1.20.1.patch -p 1" <-- is that the normal way to do it ? i did this for 1.91.1 and 1.20.1
[22:12:08] 	 (depending on what tool with what options you use for patching, it could either assume that this is already patched, or bail out and throw an error)
[22:12:10] 	 03(mod) in IE link to feedback page requires two clicks to navigate - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42517  +comment (10se4598)
[22:12:35] 	 its: you can always try and add "--dry-run" with patch to see what it _would_ do
[22:12:53] 	 okk
[22:13:05] 	 New patchset: Cmcmahon; "extend edit test. NOTE: test is temporarily broken in FF due to Se driver bug" [qa/browsertests] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36900
[22:13:14] 	 well will wait and see when 1.20.2 comes out if it breaks wiki... :)
[22:13:23] 	 03(mod) Maintenance scripts waiting to be run on Wikimedia wikis (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/29782  (10timothyausten)
[22:14:21] 	 03(mod) Review and deploy bugzilla mobile interface in production - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42209  +comment (10Antoine "hashar" Musso)
[22:14:29] 	 New review: Nemo bis; "Did this break compatibility with 1.20? 	 JeroenDeDauw, It looks like what you wanted to do is checkout the latest copy of the 1.9.x branch and cherry-pick this broken JS fix.
[22:14:44] 	 New review: Spage; "I'm unfamiliar with ContentModels but with this change editing in Schema: namespace still insists on..." [mediawiki/extensions/EventLogging] (master); V: 1 C: 1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36380
[22:14:52] 	 New patchset: awjrichards; "Update MobileFrontend to master" [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.20wmf4) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36901
[22:15:01] 	 Ignoring the l10n commits
[22:15:05] 	 Change merged: awjrichards; [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.20wmf4) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36901
[22:16:54] 	 New patchset: awjrichards; "DOH wrong branch >_< meant 1.21wmf4" [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.20wmf4) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36902
[22:17:18] 	 Change merged: awjrichards; [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.20wmf4) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36902
[22:18:24] 	 New review: Reedy; "No idea. I did notice and fix  https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/36750/ earlier today" [mediawiki/extensions/CategoryTree] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/34493
[22:20:28] 	 New patchset: Trevor Parscal; "(bug 41865) Save page behavior for oldid" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36833
[22:21:01] 	 03(mod) 'feedback page' link does not function for any browser [was: in IE link to feedback page requires two clicks to navigate] - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42517  summary; +comment (10Andre Klapper)
[22:21:03] 	 03(mod) Next wmf deployment (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38865  (10Andre Klapper)
[22:21:10] 	 New patchset: Matthias Mullie; "fix fetching activity in other languages" [mediawiki/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36903
[22:22:00] 	 New patchset: Mattflaschen; "Fix CSS, from early review feedback." [mediawiki/extensions/Onboarding] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36880
[22:22:06] 	 New patchset: awjrichards; "Update MobileFrontend to master" [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.21wmf4) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36905
[22:22:11] 	 New patchset: Matthias Mullie; "fix fetching activity in other languages" [mediawiki/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36903
[22:22:25] 	 Change merged: awjrichards; [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.21wmf4) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36905
[22:22:51] 	 03(mod) 'feedback page' link does not function for any browser [was: in IE link to feedback page requires two clicks to navigate] - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42517  +comment (10Matthias Mullie)
[22:23:18] 	 New review: Trevor Parscal; "Note: this reverts part of Idbff4c5136d567da747d9ae373cd2f6c3ee7fb1c" [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36891
[22:23:18] 	 Change merged: Trevor Parscal; [mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36891
[22:23:37] 	 Change merged: Matthias Mullie; [mediawiki/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36903
[22:23:48] 	 New review: Spage; "comments on comments" [mediawiki/extensions/Onboarding] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36880
[22:25:01] 	 Change abandoned: Reedy; "This is now out of date and replaced by 1.9.2" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/30649
[22:26:48] 	 New patchset: MaxSem; "Allow Solr updates via job queue" [mediawiki/extensions/GeoData] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36892
[22:27:38] 	 New patchset: Matthias Mullie; "Update ArticleFeedbackv5 to master" [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.21wmf4) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36906
[22:28:00] 	 Change merged: Matthias Mullie; [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.21wmf4) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36906
[22:28:16] 	 New review: Yaron Koren; "Yes, hopefully this fixes the underlying problem in that bug report." [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticForms] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36824
[22:28:16] 	 Change merged: Yaron Koren; [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticForms] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36824
[22:29:08] 	 New patchset: Matthias Mullie; "Update ArticleFeedbackv5 to master" [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.21wmf5) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36907
[22:29:24] 	 Change merged: Matthias Mullie; [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.21wmf5) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36907
[22:29:34] 	 New patchset: Ilonakz; "(Bug 39444) Warning update" [mediawiki/extensions/EtherEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36486
[22:31:50] 	 New patchset: Siebrand; "Update PHPDoc comments" [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36908
[22:33:43] 	 Change abandoned: Ilonakz; "Change submitted as patchset 2 to gerrit change 36486" [mediawiki/extensions/EtherEditor] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36612
[22:40:44] 	 03(mod) Reply doesn't work anymore - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42695  +comment (10Andre Klapper)
[22:40:52] 	 03(mod) Reply doesn't work anymore - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42695  (10Andre Klapper)
[22:40:53] 	 New patchset: Amire80; "(bug 42148) Saving the preferences only if they changed" [mediawiki/extensions/UniversalLanguageSelector] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35315
[22:44:25] 	 New patchset: Amire80; "Fix selector position when closing a translation row" [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36909
[22:48:16] 	 New review: Aaron Schulz; "It seems odd to have a job call execute() for a Maintenance class. Sorry, I wasn't even noticing tha..." [mediawiki/extensions/GeoData] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36892
[22:49:02] 	 New patchset: Siebrand; "More PHDoc updates" [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36911
[22:49:02] 	 New patchset: Siebrand; "Update @todo formatting and add a FIXME." [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36912
[22:49:28] 	 Change merged: Siebrand; [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36908
[22:49:42] 	 New patchset: Siebrand; "More PHDoc updates" [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36911
[22:49:58] 	 New patchset: Lwelling; "Initial version of GuidedTour as a MediaWiki extension" [mediawiki/extensions/GuidedTour] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35399
[22:50:02] 	 Change merged: Siebrand; [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36911
[22:50:10] 	 New patchset: Siebrand; "Update @todo formatting and add a FIXME." [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36912
[22:50:43] 	 Change merged: Siebrand; [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36912
[22:53:08] 	 New review: Aaron Schulz; "This is OK, though could probably use some refactoring someday." [mediawiki/extensions/GeoData] (master); V: 0 C: 1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36892
[22:54:02] 	 03(NEW) Undefined variable $id in ApiAggregateGroups - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42699 major; MediaWiki extensions: Translate; ()
[22:55:03] 	 New patchset: Amire80; "Fix selector position when closing a translation row" [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36909
[22:55:57] 	 ilonak: Great that you have a nice patch submitted!
[22:56:03] 	 New patchset: Jarry1250; "Extend meta=messagegroups API function + better docs" [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/19457
[22:56:13] 	 03(mod) Reply doesn't work anymore - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42695  +comment (10Andre Klapper)
[22:56:54] 	 ^^ Nikerabbit: The changes we discussed, plus some tests. Not perfect coverage, but at least the common stuff
[22:57:07] 	 Well, I suppose I can add a couple more
[22:57:10] 	 now I think about it
[22:58:49] 	 New review: MarkTraceur; "We're getting there!" [mediawiki/extensions/EtherEditor] (master); V: 0 C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36486
[22:58:54] 	 New patchset: MaxSem; "Allow Solr updates via job queue" [mediawiki/extensions/GeoData] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36892
[22:59:10] 	 andre__: you broke out tempremental regex email scraper thing!!!!!!
[22:59:29] 	 03(mod) Searching for duplicates doesn't work - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42697  +comment (10Andre Klapper)
[22:59:37] 	 03(NEW) Problems with show preview - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42700 normal; MediaWiki: Interface; ()
[22:59:59] 	 Reedy: what is that exactly? And feel free to file a bug report about it.
[23:00:07] 	 [22:54:02]  (NEW) Undefined variable $id in ApiAggregateGroups - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42699 major; MediaWiki extensions: Translate; ()
[23:00:08] 	 ^
[23:00:12] 	 The brackets are empty
[23:00:22] 	 vs
[23:00:23] 	 [22:40:52]  (mod) Reply doesn't work anymore - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42695  (Andre Klapper)
[23:00:23] 	 03(mod) Reply doesn't work anymore - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42695  +comment (10Daniel Zahn)
[23:00:27] 	 03(mod) long translation breaks layout - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42698  normal->15enhancement; +comment (10se4598)
[23:00:50] 	 Reedy: it was already broken :P
[23:01:00] 	 it's moar broken now!!
[23:01:06] 	 Reedy: so wikibugs bot is affected only? Not sure if I care. :P
[23:01:08] 	 Actually
[23:01:18] 	 I don't maintain that...
[23:01:29] 	 andre__: As we've upgraded... Isn't there a better way to have the IRC bug changes?
[23:01:38] 	 I seem to recall there being options, but we needed newer software
[23:01:40] 	 Reedy, not that I'm aware of
[23:01:56] 	 Dear Mozilla, Y U NO HELPFUL!?
[23:01:57] 	 andre__, ... and a way to have better weekly email reports?  :)
[23:01:58] 	 Reedy: other than scraping the bugmail, we could scrape the rss.
[23:02:08] 	 i'm not sure if that's a better solution.
[23:02:14] 	 03(mod) Reply doesn't work anymore - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42695  +comment (10Andre Klapper)
[23:02:22] 	 https://wiki.mozilla.org/Bugzilla:Addons#IRC_Bots
[23:02:32] 	 BZBot (direct download) - announce bug changes and perform simple milestone-based status mini-reports.
[23:02:45] 	 qgil_, if you feel like hacking that weird script, go ahead. It's not very high on my priority list I must admit. I might end up there, but not in the next weeks.
[23:02:47] 	 03(mod) Searching for duplicates doesn't work - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42697  +comment (10Chad H.)
[23:03:11] 	 New patchset: Anomie; "Skin: Make portlet rules backwards compatible with html cache." [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.21wmf4) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36915
[23:03:22] 	 andre__, I know that long answer means that you are not going to touch it ever. :) I just wonder where it's documented.
[23:03:30] 	 03(mod) Searching for duplicates doesn't work - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42697  +comment (10Chad H.)
[23:03:30] 	 Change merged: Anomie; [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.21wmf4) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36915
[23:03:51] 	 New patchset: Anomie; "temporary fix for bug 42452 - adding forward compatibility" [mediawiki/extensions/Vector] (wmf/1.21wmf4) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36916
[23:03:52] 	 03(mod) SVG flow text rendered incorrectly - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/5710  +comment (10PRO)
[23:04:01] 	 Change merged: Anomie; [mediawiki/extensions/Vector] (wmf/1.21wmf4) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36916
[23:05:18] 	 qgil_, "documented"? Haha.
[23:05:21] 	 qgil_, http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2012-November/064699.html and followup
[23:05:27] 	 New review: Siebrand; "I tested this with some 25 edits and I cannot reproduce the problem anymore." [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master); V: 0 C: 1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36909
[23:05:47] 	 andre__: java script patched
[23:06:08] 	 03(mod) Searching for duplicates doesn't work - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42697  +comment (10Andre Klapper)
[23:06:09] 	 mutante, saw it, thanks
[23:06:29] 	 mutante, turns out that the second problem is not reproducible, so that's it for now
[23:07:16] 	 hi there, is there a way to rearange the ordering on [[Special:ListGroupRights]]?
[23:07:44] 	 No
[23:08:00] 	 andre__: ok:)
[23:08:08] 	 03(mod) SVG flow text rendered incorrectly - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/5710  (10PRO)
[23:08:20] 	 All is pinned to the top, then it's alphabetical based on the actual group name...
[23:08:21] 	 New patchset: Anomie; "Update extensions/Vector" [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.21wmf4) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36917
[23:08:27] 	 So that it's sorted alphabetically by localised group name instead, Chiyo?
[23:08:27] 	 Reedy, oh ok, thanks anyway :)
[23:08:38] 	 Change merged: Anomie; [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.21wmf4) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36917
[23:08:52] 	 03(NEW) When I double-click to edit, please scroll the edit area to the section I double-clicked - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42701 normal; MediaWiki: Page editing; ()
[23:09:01] 	 Krenair, i mean more by "rank" for example all > registered users > bots > admins > etc
[23:09:01] 	 03(mod) 'feedback page' link does not function for any browser [was: in IE link to feedback page requires two clicks to navigate] - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42517  (10Matthias Mullie)
[23:09:10] 	 03(mod) long translation breaks layout - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42698  (10Matthias Mullie)
[23:09:12] 	 Does anyone like the new Bugzilla e-mails?
[23:09:21] 	 omghtmltables
[23:09:43] 	 I guess those aren't so bad.
[23:10:03] 	 Does anyone not like the new Bugzilla e-mails?
[23:10:39] 	 03(mod) When you double-click to edit MediaWiki should highlight the appropriate word in the edit textbox - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/9366  +comment (10Jason Spiro)
[23:10:59] 	 Krenair: Some of them were broken for me.
[23:11:03] 	 03(mod) When I double-click to edit, please scroll the edit area to the section I double-clicked - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42701  normal->15enhancement (10Jason Spiro)
[23:11:05] 	 But I think that may have been temporary.
[23:11:13] 	 Susan: It was done to annoy you.
[23:11:18] 	 Also, I don't think my "reply" link is working any longer.
[23:11:25] 	 It doesn't seem to insert the quoted text into the textarea.
[23:11:47] 	 already reported
[23:11:50] 	 Chiyo: no... not right now
[23:12:04] 	 Though, thinking about it... there might not be a bad way to do that
[23:12:05] 	 Dantman, ahh ok. thanks anyway :)
[23:12:19] 	 03(mod) Tablesorter sorts all numbers as dates in Czech - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42607  +comment (10Danny B.)
[23:12:21] 	 Krenair: Reported where?
[23:12:25] 	 Susan, https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=42695
[23:12:26] 	 (Which bug?)
[23:12:28] 	 Something like a group-weight or group-order message
[23:12:29] 	 ty!
[23:12:48] 	 Dantman, maybe have something in the mediawiki namespace to change the order, like the sidebar?
[23:12:52] 	 Hmm.
[23:12:54] 	 Allegedly fixed.
[23:13:23] 	 Hmm.
[23:13:33] 	 03(mod) tablesorter (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31601  (10Danny B.)
[23:13:36] 	 03(mod) JavaScript (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/2114  (10Danny B.)
[23:14:01] 	 Chiyo: Sidebar is an ordered definition. Groups aren't so, not really.
[23:14:34] 	 ah :(
[23:16:00] 	 andre__, I can't reply to https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=31601
[23:16:04] 	 Uncaught ReferenceError: wrapReplyText is not defined 
[23:16:17] 	 03(mod) SVG flow text rendered incorrectly - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/5710  +comment (10Andre Klapper)
[23:16:35] 	 Krenair, steps to reproduce?
[23:16:44] 	 open JS console
[23:16:46] 	 hit reply button
[23:16:49] 	 Change merged: Mattflaschen; [mediawiki/extensions/Onboarding] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36880
[23:16:56] 	 acquire error message
[23:17:05] 	 Krenair, hmm, works for me on that ticket.
[23:17:43] 	 refreshed and it worked. what.
[23:17:45] <^demon|busy>	 I had to do a hard refresh, my JS was cached and it was still broken for me originally.
[23:17:49] <^demon|busy>	 Yeah, it was cached.
[23:17:55] 	 Krenair: if you find a good testcase and can reproduce, please file a bug report against "Wikimedia/Bugzilla" in bugzilla.wikimedia.org. TIA
[23:18:18] 	 As a user I hate caching. I only ever notice it when it breaks stuff D: <
[23:18:40] 	 03(mod) When I double-click to edit, please scroll the edit area to the section I double-clicked - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42701  (10Andre Klapper)
[23:18:45] <^demon|busy>	 It was your browser caching--you can probably disable this if it annoys you.
[23:19:15] 	 03(mod) Tablesorter sorts all numbers as dates in Czech - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42607  +comment (10Andre Klapper)
[23:22:29] 	 03(mod) Fundraising banner obstructing page content as user scrolls - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42671  +comment (10Andre Klapper)
[23:23:26] 	 03(mod) way to prioritize transcodes - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41923  +comment (10Andre Klapper)
[23:23:32] 	 03(mod) flowRoot not supported by rsvg - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41424  +comment (10PRO)
[23:23:56] 	 03(mod) [Regression] All query pages (maintenance reports) updates are broken since 1.21wmf3 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42152  +comment (10Dennis C. During)
[23:26:43] 	 03(mod) flowRoot not supported by rsvg - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41424  +comment (10Andre Klapper)
[23:28:17] 	 Reedy / AaronSchulz: Could you comment on https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=42152#c27 (All query pages (maintenance reports) updates are broken) still an issue on en.wiktionary?
[23:29:09] 	 03(mod) flowRoot not supported by rsvg - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41424  +comment (10PRO)
[23:29:24] 	 andre__: Considering the fact that hume got reimaged today...
[23:29:40] 	 It wouldn't suprise me if it's even more broken now
[23:29:46] 	 hah
[23:30:44] 	 I seem to recall some of it not being in puppet
[23:30:52] 	 As such, I'm not even going to look into it until ops have declared the box is "upgraded"
[23:31:05] 	 03(mod) flowRoot not supported by rsvg - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41424  +comment (10Andre Klapper)
[23:32:56] 	 03(mod) VisualEditor: Link button and its shortcut should trigger a dialog also when no text is selected - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33141  +comment (10Rob Moen)
[23:32:58] 	 New review: Ilonakz; "I used this format from " Wikimedia Agora Buttons" and ".dropdown", it seems more suitable than defa..." [mediawiki/extensions/EtherEditor] (master) C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36486
[23:33:20] 	 03(mod) flowRoot not supported by rsvg - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41424  +comment (10PRO)
[23:37:13] 	 03(mod) Tablesorter sorts all numbers as dates in Czech - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42607  +comment (10Bartosz Dziewoński)
[23:37:31] 	 03(mod) flowRoot not supported by rsvg - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41424  +comment (10PRO)
[23:38:24] 	 03(mod) VisualEditor: Link button and its shortcut should trigger a dialog also when no text is selected - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33141  (10James Forrester)
[23:39:15] 	 03(mod) flowRoot not supported by rsvg - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41424  +comment (10Andre Klapper)
[23:40:02] 	 New patchset: Siebrand; "Add type hint" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36920
[23:42:07] 	 (1.20.1 -> 1.20.2)
[23:42:50] 	 New review: Mdale; "Looks good, but I really wish there was a way to disable auto-flip for the css packaging. Hard codin..." [mediawiki/extensions/TimedMediaHandler] (master); V: 0 C: 1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36748
[23:50:05] 	 Change abandoned: Aaron Schulz; "(no reason)" [mediawiki/extensions/FlaggedRevs] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/14441
[23:50:33] 	 New review: Daniel Friesen; "`@noflip` ?" [mediawiki/extensions/TimedMediaHandler] (master) C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36748
[23:52:33] 	 quick query.. should we normally use patch version of 1.20.2 (or any release) or do a full upgrade everytime a new version is released
[23:52:55] 	 Patch is fine for minor versions
[23:53:08] 	 for major versions, you need the full tarball
[23:53:21] 	 so something like "patch -i mediawiki-1.20.2.patch -p 1"
[23:54:44] 	 New review: Spage; "makes api.php return the right contentformat="application/json". I don't know where else the content..." [mediawiki/extensions/EventLogging] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36502
[23:55:40] 	 I am getting this http://dpaste.org/BQVTs/ .. is this OK to run ??