[00:02:06] <techman224>	 When I amend a patch, do I add the summery above or below the current one?
[00:02:08] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Special:GettingStarted should avoid jargon - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43183  +comment (10Nemo)
[00:02:54] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) "Unresolved" filter for AFT5 feedback posts - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39752  (10Matthew Flaschen)
[00:04:24] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: jenkins-bot; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39004
[00:07:46] <techman224>	 Susan, when you amend a patch, do you add the summery before or after the current one?
[00:08:19] <Susan>	 You mean your commit summary?
[00:08:22] <techman224>	 yes
[00:08:28] <Susan>	 Just update the text in whole, I think.
[00:08:51] <Susan>	 You don't need to note what changed in patchsets in the commit summary, as I understand it.
[00:09:00] <Susan>	 Others would know better, though.
[00:09:07] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Bogus script path shown on "entry point urls" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43184 trivial; MediaWiki: Special pages; ()
[00:09:17] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Bogus script path shown on "entry point urls" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43184  (10Chad H.)
[00:13:43] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Techman224; "Adds the spoofuser table to the centralauth database." [mediawiki/extensions/CentralAuth] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39013
[00:14:23] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Bogus script path shown on "entry point urls" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43184  (10Andre Klapper)
[00:14:46] <gerrit-wm>	 Change abandoned: Techman224; "Supposed to be amended patch" [mediawiki/extensions/CentralAuth] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39013
[00:15:27] <techman224>	 Susan, that didn't work
[00:15:42] <Susan>	 Gerrit is a cruel and fickle mistress.
[00:17:04] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Techman224; "Adds the spoofuser table to the centralauth database." [mediawiki/extensions/CentralAuth] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39008
[00:17:33] <techman224>	 Note to self: keep the same change-id
[00:20:48] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Techman224; "Adds the spoofuser table to the centralauth database." [mediawiki/extensions/CentralAuth] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39008
[00:21:02] <techman224>	 gerrit doesn't like whitespaces
[01:00:30] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Alex Monk; "(bug 41330) Default to the current year in the history page filter form" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39017
[01:00:49] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Make the "year" field default to the current year on histories - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41330  +comment (10Krenair)
[01:05:14] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Script tag within p, which may cause incorrect Facebook snippet - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34660  +comment (10Andre Klapper)
[01:06:23] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) PHP notice when editing or changing the protection of a protected page: "Array to string conversion in /core/includes/Html.php" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39650  summary (10Andre Klapper)
[01:06:50] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) The edit toolbar is still shown when recreating (so the textarea is hidden) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39645  (10Andre Klapper)
[01:08:54] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) PHP notice when editing or changing the protection of a protected page: "Array to string conversion in /core/includes/Html.php" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39650  +comment (10Andre Klapper)
[01:08:54] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Array values for attributes in Html::element cause PHP notice. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39875  +comment (10Andre Klapper)
[01:12:13] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Compare selected versions, show/hide, and visual/html diff should be links, but appear as buttons - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/16165  +comment (10Isarra)
[01:24:38] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Reedy; "Great, thanks." [mediawiki/extensions] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/34689
[01:33:10] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) api login returns wrong lgtoken on wikidata.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41586  (10Andre Klapper)
[01:38:22] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) LinkCache doesn't currently know about this title - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37209  +comment (10Andre Klapper)
[01:39:47] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Mediawiki Upload Error and Search not working in Oracle - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36726  +comment (10Andre Klapper)
[01:41:03] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) mediawiki.Uri crashes in pages with '@' in their url - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42513  +comment (10Andre Klapper)
[01:44:34] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Parent5446; "I would recommend still doing standard validation through HTMLForm with the API options. That way de..." [mediawiki/core] (master) C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/37395
[02:13:24] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Legoktm; "(bug 28362) add article_views variable" [mediawiki/extensions/AbuseFilter] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/38731
[02:26:35] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Category sorting broken on pt.wikipedia.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40462  (10mybugs.mail)
[02:29:28] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Set $wgCategoryCollation to 'uca-default' and rebuild category sort keys on Portuguese Wikibooks - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43185 normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; ()
[02:29:31] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Set $wgCategoryCollation to 'uca-default' and rebuild category sort keys on Wikimedia wikis deployment - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/30996  (10mybugs.mail)
[02:29:45] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Luis Felipe Schenone; "Simple change, looks ok" [mediawiki/core] (master) C: 1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39017
[02:43:39] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Category sorting broken on pt.wikipedia.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40462  +comment (10Faidon Liambotis)
[03:03:59] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Modifying an AbuseFilter results in HTML showing up in various logs - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43105  summary; +comment (10Legoktm)
[03:04:35] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Modifying an AbuseFilter results in HTML showing up in various logs - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43105  +comment (10Legoktm)
[03:32:53] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) $wgUploadSizeWarning missing variable - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42184  (10Legoktm)
[03:44:41] <k4rtik>	 Hi, I am using WikiEditor in my mediawiki installation and found that for some weird reason, undo/redo doesn't work in the editor with Chrome, Chromium and Firefox browsers; while it works for rekonq and default kde webbrowser.  Didn't find any relevant info on Googling, any clue about this?
[03:53:56] <k4rtik>	 I could find just https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=31780 - a slightly differerent but probably relevant bug report
[03:58:09] <k4rtik>	 Also, undo works just fine in default VisualEditor in chrome
[03:58:58] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Uncentered caption text in gallery image is page-left (rather than image-frame-left) justified - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43035  (10Leonard G.)
[03:59:52] <k4rtik>	 Interesting point to notice is that undo/redo works fine even on WikiEditor used on Wikipedia, but not for that on my mediawiki instance, probably some good changes not pushed to upstream yet
[04:03:08] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Generated HTML from a centered <gallery> renders incorrectly justified in Firefox and IE, OK in Safari and Chrome - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43186 normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; ()
[04:17:36] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Undo/Redo doesn't work in Chrome/Chromium/Firefox for WikiEditor - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43187 minor; MediaWiki extensions: WikiEditor; ()
[04:20:40] <k4rtik>	 Ok, filed a bug report, gotta leave now.
[04:32:15] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Enhance imagescaler processes containment - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43188 normal; MediaWiki: File management; ()
[04:32:49] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) When looking for who is in a global group, it doesn't show other groups the user's in - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33598  +comment (10Techman224)
[04:32:51] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Special:GlobalUsers for a right on Meta does not show the user's other global rights - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/26427  +comment (10Techman224)
[04:51:47] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Santhosh; "WIP - Message documentation and suggestions" [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/38711
[04:55:32] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Techman224; "(bug 26427) Shows all global groups when searching for users in one" [mediawiki/extensions/CentralAuth] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39023
[04:59:10] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Special:GlobalUsers for a right on Meta does not show the user's other global rights - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/26427   +patch-in-gerrit; +comment (10Techman224)
[05:49:39] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) AFTv5 API sends XML regardless of what format you choose - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43189 normal; MediaWiki extensions: ArticleFeedbackv5; ()
[05:54:24] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) AFTv5 API results should be wrapped in a {'query':results} object (for JSON) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43190 normal; MediaWiki extensions: ArticleFeedbackv5; ()
[06:01:26] <richa>	 why cant i upload images through upload wizard ? it gives me internal error: server cant store temporary file
[06:02:49] <sucheta>	 harshkothari: Ever worked on UploadWizard?
[06:08:10] <Matthew_>	 richa: Are you sure the proper directories are writable?
[06:08:45] <richa>	 yeah i changed the permissions of images/
[06:09:56] <Matthew_>	 You get Image Magik installed? https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:UploadWizard
[06:11:00] <richa>	 no 
[06:11:16] <richa>	 is it necessary to install?
[06:11:22] <Matthew_>	 According to the extension page, yes...
[06:11:29] <Matthew_>	 (Disclaimer, I've never worked with UW)
[06:12:04] <DarkunderdoG>	 richa: is your images directory writeable by your server?
[06:12:29] <DarkunderdoG>	 ahh you answered that
[06:13:06] * Matthew_  high5s DarkunderdoG

[06:23:41] <richa>	 DarkunderdoG: its writable now by everyone
[06:23:46] <harshkothari>	 sucheta: You mean to say mediawiki extension Upload Wizard
[06:25:59] <richa>	 harshkothari: yeah she meant that
[06:26:36] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Legoktm; "(bug 42184) Send second variable for large-variable message" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39024
[06:27:17] <sucheta>	 harshkothari: What else did you expect, eh? :P
[06:27:56] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Ori.livneh; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39024
[06:28:23] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Santhosh; "WIP - Message documentation and suggestions" [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/38711
[06:28:59] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) $wgUploadSizeWarning missing variable - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42184  +comment (10Legoktm)
[06:31:28] * sucheta  wonders if harshkothari is trying to play hide-n-seek. :P

[06:32:42] <harshkothari>	 lolz sucheta  :P
[07:28:11] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Tag edits made through Special:GettingStarted - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43191 enhancement; MediaWiki extensions: GettingStarted; ()
[07:29:49] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Tag edits made through Special:GettingStarted - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43191  (10Steven Walling)
[07:30:36] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Signup to labsconsole is not possible - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43176  +comment (10Fomafix)
[07:54:01] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Add Javanese font to WebFonts - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39381  +comment (10Siebrand)
[07:54:15] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Pluralization Javascript is not working while adding a flag - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37424  +comment (10Siebrand)
[07:54:25] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Create the My best KB layout for Gurumukhi Punjabi in Narayam - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39218  +comment (10Siebrand)
[07:54:57] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Bamini keyboard map needs fix + Unit Tests - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31904  +comment (10Siebrand)
[08:30:59] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Siebrand; "Fix the little documentation that FormOptions::consumeValue() has" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39000
[08:35:40] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: jenkins-bot; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39000
[08:41:30] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) RecentChanges: hideanons=1 overrules hidewikidata=0 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43192 normal; MediaWiki extensions: WikidataClient; ()
[08:44:10] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) RecentChanges: hideanons=1 overrules hidewikidata=0 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43192  +comment (10Aude)
[08:52:54] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Make it possible for users without the editinterface right to edit the AbuseFilter messages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41838  (10Legoktm)
[08:54:59] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) api login returns wrong lgtoken on wikidata.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41586   +shell; +comment (10Daniel Kinzler)
[09:02:21] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) RecentChanges: hideanons=1 overrules hidewikidata=0 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43192  +comment (10Daniel Kinzler)
[09:04:27] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Raw $PAGEINTRO in email notifications - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42752  +comment (10Nemo)
[09:11:50] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Removing a statement from an item - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40954  +comment (10Anja Jentzsch)
[09:11:50] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Removing a statement from an item - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40954  +comment (10Anja Jentzsch)
[09:11:59] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) [statements-ui] Set up a sensible focus flow - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43074  +comment (10Anja Jentzsch)
[09:12:09] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) [statements-ui] Set up a sensible focus flow - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43074  +comment (10Anja Jentzsch)
[09:14:37] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Lupo; "(bug 32408) Don't validate deselected deeds" [mediawiki/extensions/UploadWizard] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36572
[09:18:10] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Lupo; "Fixed the typo, but left the each() in. The overhead isn't big, and I'd really like to avoid introdu..." [mediawiki/extensions/UploadWizard] (master) C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36572
[09:18:27] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Kaldari; [mediawiki/extensions/UploadWizard] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36397
[09:18:43] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Raw $PAGEINTRO in email notifications - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42752  +comment (10Ariel T. Glenn)
[09:22:35] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Kaldari; [mediawiki/extensions/UploadWizard] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36572
[09:37:05] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Santhosh; "Message documentation and suggestions" [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/38711
[09:47:32] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: J; "Add i18n documentation to upload status messages" [mediawiki/extensions/UploadWizard] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39025
[09:50:48] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Integrate Firefogg in the Commons Upload Wizard - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42733  +comment (10Jan Gerber)
[09:54:02] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) ArticleFeedback has hundreds of unaddressed internationalisation issues - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42881  +comment (10Matthias Mullie)
[10:02:35] <BrixSat>	 Hello
[10:02:47] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Siebrand; [mediawiki/extensions/UploadWizard] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39025
[10:03:34] <BrixSat>	 Îm having 2 problems with my wiki, first the urls get all messed up like "http://mysite.com/wiki/index.php?title=/wiki/index.php%3Ftitle%3D/wiki/index.php%3Ftitle%3D/wiki/index.php%3Ftitle%3DInternal_Network%26action%3Dedit%26redlink%3D1%26action%3Dedit%26redlink%3D1&action=edit&redlink=1"
[10:04:27] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Generated HTML from a centered <gallery> renders incorrectly justified in Firefox and IE, OK in Safari and Chrome - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43186  +comment (10Andre Klapper)
[10:04:27] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Uncentered caption text in gallery image is page-left (rather than image-frame-left) justified - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43035  (10Andre Klapper)
[10:04:37] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Siebrand; "Remove wikitext from translated error messages." [mediawiki/extensions/ParserFunctions] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/38100
[10:04:50] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Uncentered caption text in gallery image is page-left (rather than image-frame-left) justified - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43035  (10Andre Klapper)
[10:05:37] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) FundraiserLandingPage throwing PHP warning: "preg_match() expects parameter 2 to be string" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43085  summary (10Andre Klapper)
[10:08:01] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) display problem, login problem, possible caching issue - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42452  +comment (10Andre Klapper)
[10:09:14] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Prevent users from submitting blank feedback - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43162  +comment (10Matthias Mullie)
[10:09:26] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) "Launch a Tour on using Tours" is broken - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43142  (10Andre Klapper)
[10:10:52] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) AbuseFilter: Global groups in user_groups - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/20850   +patch-in-gerrit (10Andre Klapper)
[10:11:40] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) DynamicPageList2 has security issues - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/24199  +comment (10Andre Klapper)
[10:13:12] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Setting a different move protection expiry time from the edit protection results in the move protection taking the value of the edit protection - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38365  (10Andre Klapper)
[10:15:31] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) adding alarm for cross namespace interwiki mistakes - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43178  normal->15enhancement;  +crosswiki (10Andre Klapper)
[10:16:09] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Siebrand; [mediawiki/extensions/ParserFunctions] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/38100
[10:16:12] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Querying suppression events (letype=suppress) through API returns an empty list - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43096   +patch-in-gerrit (10Andre Klapper)
[10:17:17] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Undo/Redo doesn't work in Chrome/Chromium/Firefox for WikiEditor 0.3.1 in MW 1.19.2 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43187  summary (10Andre Klapper)
[10:18:14] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Enhance imagescaler processes containment - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43188  normal->15enhancement;  +performance (10Andre Klapper)
[10:21:15] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Santhosh; "Message documentation and suggestions" [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/38711
[10:21:25] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) More AFTv5 abuse filters - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42284  +comment (10Matthias Mullie)
[10:23:35] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Siebrand; "Update docs" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39027
[10:24:03] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) More AFTv5 abuse filters - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42284  (10Matthias Mullie)
[10:24:18] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Prevent users from submitting blank feedback - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43162  (10Matthias Mullie)
[10:24:34] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) list=articlefeedbackv5-view* should accept page titles as an option - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43167  (10Matthias Mullie)
[10:25:32] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) "more"-link at long feedback doesn't show full text - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42843  (10Matthias Mullie)
[10:25:38] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) "See all comments"-button after feedback submission not working - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42845  (10Matthias Mullie)
[10:25:57] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Siebrand; "Init $name" [mediawiki/extensions/ParserFunctions] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39028
[10:26:19] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) MediaWiki:Articlefeedbackv5-viewactivity has no docs - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42869  (10Matthias Mullie)
[10:26:32] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Activity log does not use translated title (MediaWiki:Articlefeedbackv5-activity-pane-header) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42952  (10Matthias Mullie)
[10:26:40] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Denny Vrandecic; "Since this is in a function called WikimediaSkinCopyRightFooter, which is only relevant in the Wikim..." [mediawiki/extensions/WikimediaMessages] (master) C: 1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/38906
[10:26:44] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Activity log does not use translated title (MediaWiki:Articlefeedbackv5-activity-pane-header) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42952  (10Matthias Mullie)
[10:26:57] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) AFTv5 not visible with "Always show the stable version" checked (and no "patrolled" but only "reviewed" versions) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42791  (10Matthias Mullie)
[10:27:09] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) MediaWiki:Articlefeedbackv5-viewactivity has no docs - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42869  (10Matthias Mullie)
[10:33:00] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Legacy userrights on Wikivoyage - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42006  +comment (10Snowolf)
[10:33:52] <Joel_re_>	 hey, is there a way to pull out all wiki content based on a username from the db?
[10:34:06] <Joel_re_>	 basically I want to get rid of content from spam users
[10:34:14] <Joel_re_>	 spam content from bots
[10:42:25] <Qcoder00>	 Hi
[10:42:41] <Qcoder00>	 Is it just me , or do templates ignore line break characters?
[10:45:39] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Raw $PAGEINTRO in email notifications - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42752  +comment (10Ariel T. Glenn)
[10:55:53] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Matthias Mullie; "percentage acn be displayed at 0%, just not when there is no feedback at all" [mediawiki/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39032
[10:58:38] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Hashar; "recheck" [mediawiki/extensions/Babel] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/33505
[10:59:30] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Hashar; "recheck" [mediawiki/extensions/CleanChanges] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/38498
[11:02:00] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: jenkins-bot; [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/38711
[11:05:35] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) AFTv5 API sends XML regardless of what format you choose - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43189  +comment (10Matthias Mullie)
[11:06:31] <Joel_re>	 did anyone reply to my question by any chance
[11:06:37] <Joel_re>	 I was disconnected
[11:14:10] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Loading indefinitely when cookies are disabled - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43193 minor; VisualEditor: Initialisation and integration; ()
[11:14:39] <Dantman>	 Joel_re: Special:Contributions
[11:14:44] <Qcoder00>	 Is anyone able to help me with my question?
[11:14:59] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Loading indefinitely when cookies are disabled - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43193  (10turb)
[11:15:27] <Dantman>	 Qcoder00: IIRC usually some of the trailing whitespace is trimmed
[11:15:48] <Qcoder00>	 https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/User:Sfan00_IMG/Sandbox - In one template paragraphs are seemingly ignored, but in another template the paragraph formatting is reatained
[11:16:10] <Joel_re>	 Dantman: theres just too much spam :\
[11:16:15] <Qcoder00>	 At the very least I would thought it would be reasonable to expect the formatting to be CONSISTENT
[11:16:20] <Joel_re>	 http://wiki.openliterature.net
[11:16:39] <Joel_re>	 I should be able to pull out content based on the user_name field
[11:16:45] <Joel_re>	 in the db?
[11:17:07] <Qcoder00>	 Dantman: So is there a way to ENSURE templates insert paragraphs correctly in a CONSISTENT way?
[11:17:32] <p858snake|l>	 Joel_re: use the apprioate maintenance scripts
[11:17:39] <p858snake|l>	 don't edit the database manually
[11:18:06] <Qcoder00>	 I do not understand why one template recognises them whilst another doesn't
[11:18:06] <Joel_re>	 p858snake|l: ok so basically the maintenance scripts should help me pulll out user specific content?
[11:18:56] <Qcoder00>	 If it's stripping whitespace at the start of end, it would be understandable, but the paragrpah back in the text showin in the sndbox is right in the middle of the text
[11:26:13] <Qcoder00>	 As I said at the very least I would expect a CONSISTENT result
[11:29:17] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Create Wikivoyage Portuguese - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42934  (10Andre Klapper)
[11:29:17] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Create Wikivoyage Spanish - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42933  (10Andre Klapper)
[11:29:28] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) populateSitesTable.php broken, Undefined index: internalIds error - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43194 normal; MediaWiki extensions: WikidataRepo; ()
[11:29:34] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) EP: Gender breakdown is wrong - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42932  (10Andre Klapper)
[11:29:50] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Write unit tests for LangLinkHandler - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43195 normal; MediaWiki extensions: WikidataClient; ()
[11:30:22] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Write unit tests for LangLinkHandler - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43195  (10Daniel Kinzler)
[11:31:15] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Unit tests for SortUtils - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43196 normal; MediaWiki extensions: WikidataClient; ()
[11:35:36] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Create Bugzilla component for GeoCrumbs extension - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43197 normal; Wikimedia: Bugzilla; ()
[11:35:45] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) [GeoCrumbs] Crumbs are shown even on project/special pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42946  (10Andre Klapper)
[11:35:52] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Create Bugzilla component for GeoCrumbs extension - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43197  +comment (10Andre Klapper)
[11:36:12] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) populateSitesTable.php broken, Undefined index: internalIds error - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43194  +comment (10Aude)
[11:36:38] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) populateSitesTable.php broken, Undefined index: internalIds error - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43194  +comment (10Aude)
[11:40:22] <Qcoder00>	 Right, welel I can safely assume my query has been ignored?
[11:40:27] <Qcoder00>	 *well
[11:41:38] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) When uploading multiple files "x seconds remaining" text flickers - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43007  (10Andre Klapper)
[11:41:38] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Once book has been generated, it needs a more prominent download link - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42991  (10Andre Klapper)
[11:42:07] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Enable VisualEditor extension on test.wikipedia.org and test2.wikipedia.org for all namespaces; for NS0 and NS2 on mediawiki.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43018  (10Andre Klapper)
[11:43:27] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Write unit tests for LangLinkHandler - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43195   +need-unittest (10Andre Klapper)
[11:43:28] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Unit tests for SortUtils - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43196   +need-unittest (10Andre Klapper)
[11:45:20] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) api login returns wrong lgtoken on wikidata.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41586  +comment (10Andre Klapper)
[11:49:38] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Mediawiki:Common.js loading slowly/late - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42532  +comment (10Andre Klapper)
[11:52:27] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) GeoData extension needs way to specify "no coordinates relevant" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42834  +comment (10Andre Klapper)
[11:55:47] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: J; "Cleanup Firefogg integration" [mediawiki/extensions/UploadWizard] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39035
[11:56:04] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Amire80; "Fix qqq hardcoding" [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39036
[11:57:40] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Integrate Firefogg in the Commons Upload Wizard - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42733  +comment (10Jan Gerber)
[12:02:04] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Santhosh; "Avoid hardcoding qqq as documentation languages" [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39037
[12:05:22] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Matthias Mullie; "Bug 43190 - AFTv5 API results should be wrapped in a {'query':results} object (for JSON)" [mediawiki/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39038
[12:07:00] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) AFTv5 API results should be wrapped in a {'query':results} object (for JSON) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43190  +comment (10Matthias Mullie)
[12:07:01] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) AFTv5 API results should be wrapped in a {'query':results} object (for JSON) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43190  (10Matthias Mullie)
[12:07:36] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Amire80; "Avoid hardcoding qqq as documentation languages" [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39037
[12:14:16] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) NullPointerException when switching tabs with Safari - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/18705  +comment (10Andre Klapper)
[12:14:24] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Failure to perform sub-block cropping - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/15256  +comment (10Andre Klapper)
[12:14:28] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Cortado speaker icon should become a volume control - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/11248  +comment (10Andre Klapper)
[12:14:32] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Cortado buffering is not robust and not sensitive to download speeds, bufferSize param does not appear to work. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/11252  +comment (10Andre Klapper)
[12:14:36] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) cortado should provide API close to html5 <video> element - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/16519  +comment (10Andre Klapper)
[12:14:40] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Video goes black when browser window is scrolled or resized - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/18707  +comment (10Andre Klapper)
[12:14:44] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Cortado doesn't work on Mac with Oracle JRE 7 update 9 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41274  +comment (10Andre Klapper)
[12:14:54] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Stopping media clips - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/18281  +comment (10Andre Klapper)
[12:14:58] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Cortado doesn't handle incomplete packets correctly - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/18906  +comment (10Andre Klapper)
[12:15:02] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Rounding error causing distortion - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/18782  +comment (10Andre Klapper)
[12:15:06] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Ogg video player should save volume setting - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/21890  +comment (10Andre Klapper)
[12:15:10] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Speex support in Cortado and OggHandler - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/13206  +comment (10Andre Klapper)
[12:15:14] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Cortado does not work well at small widths. Seek bar, timer, and the icons overlap. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/11251  +comment (10Andre Klapper)
[12:16:37] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) update.php fails with DB connection error: Lost connection to MySQL server at 'reading initial communication packet', system error: 111 (mysqlsvr) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37464  +comment (10Craig Duncan)
[12:18:02] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Write unit tests for LangLinkHandler - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43195  +comment (10Wikidata Bot)
[12:18:06] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Problems with mwEmbed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/24899  +comment (10Andre Klapper)
[12:27:35] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Rotsee; "Add property for user's real name" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticExtraSpecialProperties] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39041
[12:29:25] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) JS errors in sequencer - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/25491  +comment (10Andre Klapper)
[12:55:40] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: J; "Bug 43093: Fix Firefox 3.5 support" [mediawiki/extensions/TimedMediaHandler] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39042
[12:56:14] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) js exception "Error loading EmbedPlayer dependency set: ext is null" on firefox 3.5 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43093  +comment (10Jan Gerber)
[12:57:11] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Reverting to an old version of a video file does not trigger new transcodes - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42294  (10Jan Gerber)
[12:59:04] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) cortado should provide API close to html5 <video> element - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/16519  (10Jan Gerber)
[13:00:50] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Zfilipin; "Updated Ruby gems" [qa/browsertests] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39043
[13:28:11] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) HTML validation: Attribute srcset not allowed on element img at this point.v - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41346  +comment (10Gadget850)
[13:30:47] <gerrit-wm>	 Change abandoned: Siebrand; "Implemented in I0d9efab8." [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39036
[13:31:21] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: jenkins-bot; [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39037
[13:35:44] <gerrit-wm>	 Change restored: Amire80; "Some other fixes here are useful." [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39036
[13:38:43] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Amire80; "Whitespace fixes" [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39036
[13:39:15] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Amire80; "Whitespace fixes" [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39036
[13:46:56] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) When uploading files to web, in network activity is twice of out - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43060  (10Andre Klapper)
[13:47:07] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) enable full stack trace for PHPUnit jobs - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43059  (10Andre Klapper)
[13:48:14] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Unit tests for ExternalRecentChange - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43198 normal; MediaWiki extensions: WikidataClient; ()
[13:48:17] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Unit tests for ExternalRecentChange - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43198   +need-unittest (10Daniel Kinzler)
[13:49:21] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Various ResourceLoader PHP Warnings - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42151  (10Andre Klapper)
[13:50:05] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Some WebM transcoded videos are Plain text?! - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42860  (10Andre Klapper)
[13:51:02] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Ogg files stammer - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40590  +comment (10Andre Klapper)
[13:51:29] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) can't upload scribus file (.sla) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40504  +comment (10Andre Klapper)
[13:53:13] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) api login returns wrong lgtoken on wikidata.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41586  (10jeblad)
[13:56:03] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Siebrand; "Whitespace fixes" [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39036
[13:57:41] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) $wgDebugWithToken=false will fail - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43199 normal; MediaWiki extensions: WikidataRepo; ()
[13:58:21] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: jenkins-bot; [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39036
[14:06:18] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Hashar; "pass pep8 on zhtable python script" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39050
[14:19:41] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Liangent; "Are we planning to standardize all python scripts we have for PEP8?" [mediawiki/core] (master) C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39050
[14:22:26] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Anomie; "Use {{ns:}} in templatesandbox-text message" [mediawiki/extensions/TemplateSandbox] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39051
[14:24:16] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Chrome zoom wraps line when unnecessary - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40592  (10Andre Klapper)
[14:25:20] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) api login returns wrong lgtoken on wikidata.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41586  +comment (10Daniel Kinzler)
[14:25:54] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Wiki sites have very slow loading times sometimes - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40093  major->normal; summary (10Andre Klapper)
[14:27:23] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Upload by URL fails without giving any error - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39507  +comment (10Andre Klapper)
[14:27:47] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) api login returns wrong lgtoken on wikidata.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41586  +comment (10Daniel Kinzler)
[14:28:47] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Tamil + Malayalam Wiktionary: Namespace link broken for Main page, no link to go back to main page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39826   +shell; summary (10Andre Klapper)
[14:29:21] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) test2.wikipedia.org reportedly slow - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39961  +comment (10Andre Klapper)
[14:29:30] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) UploadStash requires comment - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39989  (10Andre Klapper)
[14:30:36] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Anomie; "(bug 43177) API: Fix regression in case handling for sha1 params" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39010
[14:31:07] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Anomie; "Address comments." [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39010
[14:35:25] <factor>	 oh ok, i can export per cat.
[14:35:29] <factor>	 that is good.
[14:37:32] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) wbcreateclaim behaves funny with JS frontend UI for adding claims - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43200 normal; MediaWiki extensions: WikidataRepo; ()
[14:40:37] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Hashar; "I think that would be nice :-)" [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39050
[14:41:02] <hashar>	 liangent: regarding pep8, I would like to use that linter on any python scripts we host
[14:45:32] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) wbcreateclaim behaves funny with JS frontend UI for adding claims - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43200  +comment (10Daniel Werner)
[14:46:17] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Upload by URL fails without giving any error - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39507  +comment (10Nemo)
[14:47:58] <liangent>	 hashar: and we don't add many spaces like what we do for php scripts?
[14:48:20] <hashar>	 liangent: not in python file. I disabled those checks for includes/zhtable/
[14:48:24] <hashar>	 liangent:  in the .pep8 file
[14:49:30] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Playing a large Theora file causes Firefox to lock up with 100% CPU - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41909  +comment (10Jan Gerber)
[14:52:01] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Browser unresponsive for some seconds on pages with high number of audio files - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42266  +comment (10Jan Gerber)
[14:55:37] <liangent>	 hashar: that zhtable one seems to be the only python script we maintain in mw code ... 
[14:56:52] <hashar>	 liangent: most probably
[14:57:28] <liangent>	 and I doubt whether it worth a new checking procedure (and thus encourage new python scripts to be created)
[14:57:42] <liangent>	 maybe port it into php at some time?
[14:57:48] <hashar>	 port what ? 
[14:57:51] <hashar>	 the makefile ?
[14:58:12] <liangent>	 yeah
[14:58:43] <liangent>	 (and there's another broken Makefile beside Makefile.py which is confusing)
[15:00:04] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) order of controls wrong - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43201 normal; MediaWiki extensions: TimedMediaHandler; ()
[15:00:46] <liangent>	 (disclaimer: I don't hate python and actually I'm using it widely in my personal work)
[15:00:52] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Enable Page Curation on en.wikisource - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38512  summary; +comment (10Andre Klapper)
[15:01:21] <hashar>	 liangent: if the Makefile is broken you might consider removing it or make it a wrapper around the python one :)
[15:01:40] <hashar>	 liangent: and I am fine with us having a python script :)
[15:04:38] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Nikerabbit; "Um, why are they escaped twice? Parser already escaped the output so ->escaped() is redundant. ->pla..." [mediawiki/extensions/ParserFunctions] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/38100
[15:07:37] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) No option to move over an existing non-redirect page in the API - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42886  +comment (10Brad Jorsch)
[15:12:24] <liangent>	 hashar: ok if you're just making linter happy I'm fine with it
[15:12:41] <liangent>	 and if you're creating a new coding convention it may need some discussion
[15:13:58] <hashar>	 liangent: yeah might change is mostly about having the file pass the pep8 test.  It enforces the standard agree by the python community, that is defacto the python standard ;)
[15:15:02] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Cmcmahon; "maintenance" [qa/browsertests] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39043
[15:15:02] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Cmcmahon; [qa/browsertests] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39043
[15:16:13] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Amire80; "Importing wgTranslateDocumentationLanguageCode only in editor context" [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39053
[15:16:30] <liangent>	 hashar: and mw is the only project I've seen which uses so many spaces
[15:17:06] <liangent>	 and it makes me a little difficult to do http://typing.io/ because I tend to add extra spaces
[15:18:14] <hashar>	 liangent: we can ask pep8 to ignore some whitespaces tests :-)
[15:23:30] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Anomie; "Change looks good to me, but the commit message needs work." [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/32189
[15:24:51] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Liangent; "Change the old broken zhtable/Makefile into a wrapper of Makefile.py" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39054
[15:27:02] <liangent>	 hashar: ^ now the coding style of Makefile is another question
[15:27:58] <liangent>	 and I guess the whole includes/zhtable should be moved to somewhere under /maintenance/language
[15:29:37] <liangent>	 and ZhConversion.php should become some serialized/*.ser but I'm not sure about the performance issue
[15:32:52] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) "Launch a Tour on using Tours" is broken - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43142  +comment (10Luke Welling)
[15:34:36] <Ulfr>	 Hello all, I was wondering what css properties were included in the noprint css class? I need to add them to another class to prevent other uglier alternatives
[15:37:57] <Ulfr>	 Nevermind. I figured it out myself and you guys thought ahead
[15:37:57] <Ulfr>	 :D
[15:38:14] <richa_>	 local upload wizard gives me the error "server failed to store temporary files " on adding a file 
[15:38:33] <richa_>	 can someone help me out with this?
[15:38:36] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: J; "Bug 43201: explicit order of control elements" [mediawiki/extensions/TimedMediaHandler] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39055
[15:38:43] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Liangent; "zhtable maintenance" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39054
[15:39:06] <Platonides>	 richa_, do you have space in the temporary folder for the files?
[15:39:10] <Platonides>	 and can it write there?
[15:39:14] <richa_>	 i did the necessay permisions change
[15:39:55] <richa_>	 you can write it 
[15:40:06] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) "Launch a Tour on using Tours" is broken - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43142  +comment (10Luke Welling)
[15:40:33] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Liangent; "I also want to move includes/ZhConversion.php to serialized/*.ser but I'm not sure about its perform..." [mediawiki/core] (master) C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39054
[15:44:08] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Amire80; "Importing wgTranslateDocumentationLanguageCode only in editor context" [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39053
[15:49:05] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Diffs of trailing newlines removal don't work properly - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42669  (10Waldir)
[16:00:44] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Connectivity interferes with saved articles (saved pages do not work offline) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40013  +comment (10Andre Klapper)
[16:05:57] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Chunked upload fails with internal_api_error_UploadStashFileNotFoundException - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36587  +comment (10Andre Klapper)
[16:07:53] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Reupload of files is failing - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37213  +comment (10Andre Klapper)
[16:08:00] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Inconsistent state within the internal storage backends - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39221  +comment (10Andre Klapper)
[16:08:06] <Qcoder00>	 Hello?
[16:08:17] <Ulfr>	 Qcoder00: Hi!
[16:08:20] <Scooter_>	 seems like when you paste something into WikiEditor, it strips out newlines, is there a way to make it not do that?
[16:08:44] <Qcoder00>	 Can someone explain why when in two identical sequences of text , paragraph breaks are not being handled in a 'consitent' manner...
[16:09:09] <Qcoder00>	 https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/User:Sfan00_IMG/Sandbox
[16:09:20] <Qcoder00>	 I've tried comparing the output...
[16:10:18] <Qcoder00>	 and in both cases the releavnt DIV should contain the exact SAME text sequence
[16:10:26] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Impossible to select contact method - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37157  +comment (10Andre Klapper)
[16:10:39] <Qcoder00>	 However in the former the parser reflects the paragraph
[16:10:43] <Qcoder00>	 structure
[16:10:49] <Qcoder00>	 in the latter it does not
[16:11:20] <Qcoder00>	 This is despite the relevant text being passed a param to the template concerned in both instances...
[16:11:58] <Qcoder00>	 In checking the underlying HTML, technically the code generated by smaller block shouldn't work either... but inside MediaWiki it appears to
[16:12:19] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Can't run update.php under SQLite 3.6.12: Syntax error due to "AUTOINCREMENT" as some extensions use "AUTO_INCREMENT" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38235  summary; +comment (10Andre Klapper)
[16:13:04] <Qcoder00>	 So my question is, how do I get a CONSISTENT behaviour ?
[16:13:10] <Ulfr>	 Qcoder00: I think I know what you're talking about
[16:13:13] <Ulfr>	 Qcoder00: Lemme see
[16:13:54] <Ulfr>	 Qcoder00: Yup! I encountered this problem myself. For some reason line breaks are appended if you concatenate strings. To bypass this problem I had to define everything on one continuous line
[16:14:25] <Qcoder00>	 But the template should be doing that
[16:14:45] <Qcoder00>	 The input to the templates is identical in both instances
[16:15:37] <Qcoder00>	 Other than the gap for the paragraph break there should be no additional line feeds being generated
[16:16:46] <Qcoder00>	 And the {{cl-act-section  should not be adding any line feeds either...)
[16:17:24] <Qcoder00>	 What exactly do you mean by defining all on one line?
[16:18:43] <Qcoder00>	 https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Template:Cl-act-section is the template I'm using
[16:19:07] <Qcoder00>	 As I said, all I was wanting was a consistent behaviour...
[16:19:16] <Qcoder00>	 Something I do not think unreasonable
[16:22:37] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) [statements-ui] pressing enter doesn't trigger API call but retransform claim to non-edit mode - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43202 normal; MediaWiki extensions: WikidataRepo; ()
[16:22:48] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) [statements-ui] pressing enter doesn't trigger API call but retransform claim to non-edit mode - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43202  (10Daniel Werner)
[16:25:01] <Qcoder00>	 If the parser can't cope with a simple paragrpah break inside input to a template, then something is 'broken'
[16:26:12] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Matthias Mullie; "Refactor AFT backend" [mediawiki/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/24264
[16:28:36] <Ulfr_>	 Qcoder00: Sorry, didn't see your response
[16:28:55] <Ulfr_>	 Qcoder00: For reference, putting Ulfr: before your reply will make the window nag me if I forget to check
[16:29:04] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Matthias Mullie; "datamodel [DO NOT MERGE - WIP]" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/27981
[16:29:22] <Ulfr_>	 But what I did to work around the functionality was to define the string I needed on one javascript line, rather than using +=
[16:29:31] <marktraceur>	 richa__: You should probably ask your question in here, for what it's worth
[16:29:35] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Matthias Mullie; "Percentage can be displayed at 0%, just not when there is no feedback at all" [mediawiki/extensions/ArticleFeedbackv5] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39032
[16:29:47] <Qcoder00>	 Ulfr: This is in wikimarkup
[16:30:34] <Qcoder00>	 I will sadly have to conlcude the parser can't cope
[16:30:41] <Qcoder00>	 which is a shame 
[16:32:11] <Qcoder00>	 because I would have thought a widely used item like Mediawiki would be able to cope with simple paragaph breaks
[16:32:15] <Qcoder00>	 It seems it can't
[16:34:46] <Qcoder00>	 Unless you know of way to code a template so this particular parser quirk does NOT occur
[16:35:02] <Ulfr_>	 Qcoder00: Uhm, lemme look at your source
[16:35:19] <Qcoder00>	 https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Template:Cl-act-section
[16:35:44] <Qcoder00>	 I also used Special:ExpandTemplates
[16:35:59] <Qcoder00>	 In both cases it should be genearting the identical text sequence...
[16:36:35] <Ulfr_>	 Qcoder00: There's line breaks in your input
[16:36:44] <Qcoder00>	 Where?
[16:37:01] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Enable Page Curation on en.wikisource - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38512  +comment (10Oliver Keyes)
[16:37:35] <Ulfr_>	 https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=User:Sfan00_IMG/Sandbox&action=edit
[16:37:46] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Problems upgrading some extensions under SQLite - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38235  summary (10Max Semenik)
[16:38:17] <Qcoder00>	 The input to the template is on a single-line which wraps
[16:39:23] <Qcoder00>	 The only 'break' is that between the two paragraphs
[16:39:52] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) update.php fails with SQLite - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31696  +comment (10Max Semenik)
[16:40:04] <Qcoder00>	 as per what is done with normal wikitesk for seperating paragraphs
[16:40:09] <Ulfr_>	 Qcoder00: on my screen there's a line break in your template call after the colon
[16:40:10] <Qcoder00>	 *wikitext
[16:40:15] <Qcoder00>	 ulfr; Yes
[16:40:19] <Qcoder00>	 That is correct
[16:40:36] <Qcoder00>	 The text before the colon , and the text after the colon are 2 paragraphs
[16:41:07] <Qcoder00>	 That single 'break' is how you indicate paragraph breaks in wiki-text, correct?
[16:41:18] <Ulfr_>	 Qcoder00: Then I'm not following where your problem is, as that's the output I see on the template call
[16:41:37] <Qcoder00>	 Please show me a scrrenshot of your output
[16:42:06] <Qcoder00>	 {{smaller block}} respects the break {{cl-act-section}} doesn't
[16:42:53] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Enable Page Curation on en.wikisource - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38512  +comment (10Andre Klapper)
[16:42:58] <Ulfr_>	 Qcoder00: Oh, okay. now I follow, sorry
[16:43:33] <Qcoder00>	 I've tried various approaches to try and get a consistent behaviour
[16:43:42] <Qcoder00>	 but most break other stuff
[16:44:02] <Qcoder00>	 and as I said smaller block works... 
[16:44:30] <Ulfr_>	 Qcoder00: Yup, my bad.
[16:44:41] <Qcoder00>	 The text stream coming out of both template calls generates the same sequence of text , but a different pargrpah structure
[16:47:33] <Ulfr_>	 Qcoder00: Yup. My suspicion is that it's probably the switch statement or multiple arguments stripping out your line breaks. Easiest solution would be to include a break tag
[16:48:33] <Ulfr_>	 As to why it does that I have no real feedback. Sorry
[16:48:34] <Qcoder00>	 Which inserts 2 lines not one
[16:48:47] <Qcoder00>	 They should be seperate paragrpahs
[16:48:52] <Ulfr_>	 Huh? http://wikidoc.org/index.php/User:Matt_Pijoan/Testingtes
[16:49:00] <Ulfr_>	 Only inserts one on mine
[16:49:12] <Qcoder00>	 Hmm
[16:49:26] <Qcoder00>	 Well then it needs someone other than me to fix it
[16:49:45] <Qcoder00>	 because something is clearly broken in {[cl-act-section}}
[16:49:53] <Qcoder00>	 because it's clearly not parsing proeprly
[16:49:59] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) [statements-ui] pressing enter doesn't trigger API call but retransform claim to non-edit mode - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43202  +comment (10Daniel Werner)
[16:49:59] <Qcoder00>	 *properly
[16:51:00] <Ulfr_>	 Qcoder00: Might I suggest https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Wikisource:Requests_for_assistance&action=edit&section=new
[16:51:14] <Qcoder00>	 I already asked on the Scriptorium and got snarky comments
[16:51:27] <Qcoder00>	 Instead of an explanation
[16:51:39] <Qcoder00>	 I am fed up of playing hunt the glitch
[16:51:56] <Qcoder00>	 I don;t think consistent behaviour is unreasonable
[16:52:43] <Qcoder00>	 If you supply wikitext to a template (and you aren't changing the TEXT in the template.) then it should format the same as if you hadn't supplied it to the template 
[16:52:56] <Qcoder00>	 And smaller-block does this without issue
[16:53:23] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) wbcreateclaim behaves funny with JS frontend UI for adding claims - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43200  (10tobias.gritschacher)
[16:53:40] <Ulfr_>	 smaller-block is also far simpler
[16:53:49] <Platonides>	 {{smaller-block}} has the {{{1}}} in a new line
[16:53:57] <Platonides>	 that makes it be detected as a paragraph
[16:54:08] <Ulfr_>	 Platonides: He's not the template author
[16:54:21] <Platonides>	 I'm trying to explain the differences
[16:54:26] <Qcoder00>	 In terms of {{cl-act-section}}I am 
[16:54:37] <Qcoder00>	 I wrote it from cl-act-s which has the same issue
[16:55:13] <Qcoder00>	 Platonides:  But why does that make it read subsquent paragraphs differently?
[16:55:46] <Platonides>	 "mediawiki is weird"
[16:56:06] <Qcoder00>	 Yes.
[16:56:10] <Qcoder00>	 I know that
[16:56:13] <Platonides>	 :)
[16:56:24] <Qcoder00>	 It would be NICE to have consistent formatting though
[16:56:30] <Ulfr_>	 Do let me know when you find a perfect piece of open source software
[16:56:40] <Qcoder00>	 Ulfr:  ROFL
[16:57:49] <Platonides>	 Ulfr_, I think there are some perfect open source Hello Worlds out there
[16:58:03] <Ulfr_>	 Platonides: Nope! They won't support every platform
[16:58:17] <Ulfr_>	 Except maybe java, but that's primarily witchcraft
[16:59:25] <Qcoder00>	 Putting the relevant start of text param on a newline in cl-section-act didn't solve the problem
[17:00:06] <Platonides>	 Ulfr_, it depends on what you mean by "every platform"
[17:00:16] <Qcoder00>	 It's STILL not seeing the paragrpah break later
[17:00:21] <Platonides>	 a C Hello World will support pretty much all platforms
[17:00:37] <Platonides>	 you may need to wait for a brainfuckr C compiler release, though
[17:00:45] <Ulfr_>	 Platonides: I was talking in vaguaries anyway, as a personal rule I can never not have a snarky comeback
[17:00:46] <Qcoder00>	 Am I going to have to conclude that the Mediawiki parser can't cope with paragraph breaks in param input to templates?
[17:01:16] <Qcoder00>	 Which is wrong because {{smaller block}} handles them
[17:01:33] <Qcoder00>	 I'm fed up as I said playing hunt the paser quirk
[17:01:33] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) [statements-ui] Set up a sensible focus flow - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43074  +comment (10Wikidata Bot)
[17:01:39] <Ulfr_>	 Dude, I have spent 100+ hours at this point troubleshooting both sides of the equation you're on
[17:01:48] <MatmaRex>	 what templates are you guys talkingabout?
[17:01:56] <Qcoder00>	 It is not unreasonable to expect consistent beahviour
[17:02:11] <Qcoder00>	 If Mediawiki can't do that, then something is seriously meessed up
[17:02:23] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Chunked upload fails with internal_api_error_UploadStashFileNotFoundException - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36587  +comment (10Jan Gerber)
[17:02:24] <Ulfr_>	 It's also not unreasonable to expect someone to fit in one parking space, but we deal with it as best we can
[17:02:48] <sumanah>	 just coming in now .... Qcoder00 sympathies on the frustration
[17:03:30] <Platonides>	 MatmaRex, https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/User:Sfan00_IMG/Sandbox
[17:03:58] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) PNG still doesn't work for large images. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42531  +comment (10Quim Gil)
[17:03:59] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Thumbnails of large PNGs are not generated - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/9497  +comment (10Quim Gil)
[17:04:25] <Qcoder00>	 Bingo
[17:04:27] <Qcoder00>	 Got it
[17:04:37] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: CSteipp; "I defer to Anomie. Once you add those, I'm happy to submit this. Thanks!" [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/38802
[17:04:39] <Qcoder00>	 It IS to do with the way Mediawiki handles line-feeds in templates
[17:04:52] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) wbcreateclaim behaves funny with JS frontend UI for adding claims - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43200  normal->04CRIT (10denny vrandecic)
[17:04:55] <MatmaRex>	 Platonides: and what's wrong there?
[17:05:25] <Qcoder00>	 Re-postioning where the relevant code got generated solved the problem
[17:05:27] <Qcoder00>	 :)
[17:05:36] <Qcoder00>	 Compare the last edits with the previous versions
[17:05:38] <Qcoder00>	 :)
[17:05:54] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) wbcreateclaim overwrites existing claims when revision ID is used - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43200  summary (10denny vrandecic)
[17:06:08] <sumanah>	 Qcoder00: it'd be cool if you could send your detective story to mediawiki-l
[17:06:15] <gwicke__>	 Qcoder00: consistency is not one of the strengths of the current parser..
[17:06:32] * MatmaRex  is stil ltrying to figure out what were you guys having trouble with

[17:06:36] <gwicke__>	 Qcoder00: we have to emulate the inconsistency while writing Parsoid..
[17:06:37] <Qcoder00>	 sumanah:I'm not competent to present such an analysis
[17:06:42] <sumanah>	 ok
[17:06:51] <Qcoder00>	 MatmaRex: Paragrpah beahviour in templates
[17:07:27] <MatmaRex>	 Qcoder00: what about it?
[17:07:37] <Qcoder00>	 https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Template:Cl-act-section 
[17:07:51] <Qcoder00>	 And https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=User:Sfan00_IMG/Sandbox
[17:07:53] <Qcoder00>	 Now fixed
[17:07:55] <MatmaRex>	 whitespace is sometimes stripped, and sometimes kept, you have to learn which when
[17:08:12] <gwicke__>	 *nod*
[17:08:13] <MatmaRex>	 it's stripped basically always, apart from when you provide unnamed parameters to a template.
[17:08:39] <gwicke__>	 and IIRC it is not stripped in parser functions
[17:08:46] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Connectivity interferes with saved articles (saved pages do not work offline) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40013  +comment (10Jon)
[17:08:50] <MatmaRex>	 e.g. {{tpl|   asd    }} renders differently than {{tpl|1=   asd    }}
[17:08:53] <MatmaRex>	 gwicke: it is
[17:09:08] <MatmaRex>	 even in unnamed parametr in PF like {{#if:
[17:09:08] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Alex Monk; "(bug 43137) Don't return the sha1 of revisions through the API if the content is revdel'd" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/38802
[17:09:13] <MatmaRex>	 parameters*
[17:09:21] <gwicke>	 MatmaRex: even in positional parameters?
[17:09:34] <MatmaRex>	 {{#if:X|{{{1}}}}} is a common was to trim whitespace from {{{1}}}
[17:09:40] <gwicke>	 I remember adding a test to parser functions to document the inconsistency
[17:09:45] <gwicke>	 let me dig that up..
[17:09:51] <MatmaRex>	 hm, unless i'm wrong
[17:09:59] <MatmaRex>	 but i'm pretty sure i depended on it a few times
[17:10:16] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Unit tests for ExternalRecentChange - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43198  normal->15enhancement (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[17:10:18] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Write unit tests for LangLinkHandler - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43195  normal->15enhancement (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[17:10:19] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Create Bugzilla component for GeoCrumbs extension - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43197  normal->15enhancement (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[17:10:37] <gwicke>	 MatmaRex: the no-stripping applies only to positional parameters in parser functions
[17:11:20] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) mediawiki.Uri crashes in pages with '@' in their url - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42513  +comment (10Krinkle)
[17:11:36] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) wbcreateclaim overwrites existing claims when revision ID is used - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43200  (10Jeroen De Dauw)
[17:11:53] <Ulfr_>	 MatmaRex, gwicke: My boss designed an infobox that is used on my site that includes an empty line to create a spacer. Writing this template was as close to hell as I've come: http://www.wikidoc.org/index.php?title=Template:RHInfectiousDisease&action=edit
[17:12:54] <Qcoder00>	 Well it's not fixed in all cases
[17:12:59] <Qcoder00>	 I give up
[17:13:12] <Qcoder00>	 As I said , I'm tired of playing hunt the quirk
[17:13:25] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Add component for GettingStarted extensions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43180  normal->15enhancement (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[17:13:37] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Unit tests for SortUtils - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43196  normal->15enhancement (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[17:13:40] <Qcoder00>	 If someone else can fix the template so it behaves consistently it would be desirable
[17:13:53] * gwicke  always enjoys http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Get_regnum%28%29&action=edit

[17:14:20] <gwicke>	 just for the sheer brace overload
[17:15:12] <Ulfr_>	 You win on brace count, but I've got some srsly mind bending templates
[17:15:47] <Qcoder00>	 https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Template:Cl-act-section-  OK this doesn't work
[17:16:10] <Qcoder00>	 Or at the very least I can't get it behave consistently
[17:16:25] <Qcoder00>	 Can someone else fix it , as I am tired of playing hunt the qurik
[17:16:28] <Qcoder00>	 ?
[17:16:37] <Qcoder00>	 Fix the template or fix the parser, yor choice
[17:16:41] <Qcoder00>	 *your choice
[17:17:09] <gwicke>	 Qcoder00: fixing the parser would break existing content that relies on all those quirks
[17:17:14] <sumanah>	 Qcoder00: not sure you know that we're working on a new parser
[17:17:34] <gwicke>	 so we can only do that if we know that there are few uses that we can fix manually
[17:17:34] <Qcoder00>	 gwicke: You know what the choice is then
[17:17:36] <Qcoder00>	 :)
[17:17:53] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Thumbnails of large PNGs are not generated - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/9497  +comment (10Quim Gil)
[17:18:32] <gwicke>	 Qcoder00: we are replicating the quirks in Parsoid, which can convert between wikitext and HTML DOM + RDFa
[17:18:36] <gwicke>	 and back
[17:18:41] <Qcoder00>	 Oh right
[17:18:58] <gwicke>	 the HTML / RDFa avoids those quirks, so is much easier to work with
[17:19:13] <MatmaRex>	 Qcoder00: what doesn't work.
[17:19:23] <MatmaRex>	 this template doesn't evne have emaxples
[17:19:30] <MatmaRex>	 even have examples*
[17:19:32] <Qcoder00>	 MatmaRex: Try my sandbox
[17:19:42] <jubo2>	 !wikidata
[17:19:42] <wm-bot>	 https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikidata
[17:20:02] <Qcoder00>	 https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/User:Sfan00_IMG/Sandbox
[17:20:26] <Qcoder00>	 That's the basic version example
[17:20:35] <MatmaRex>	 Qcoder00: and what is supposed to be wrong there? it looks okay to me :/
[17:20:42] <Qcoder00>	 In that instance it is ...
[17:20:47] <Qcoder00>	 Letme a second example
[17:22:00] <jubo2>	 we are going to need a wikidata installation to be located at wikidata.consumium.org and feed it with DBpedia.org and wikidata.org
[17:22:26] <sumanah>	 back off IRC I go to catch up on the backlog of email I accumulated while ill
[17:22:38] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) SVG flow text rendered incorrectly - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/5710  +comment (10PRO)
[17:22:42] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) flowRoot not supported by rsvg - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41424  +comment (10PRO)
[17:23:19] <Qcoder00>	 OK For whatever reason, it now works as intended :)
[17:23:35] <Qcoder00>	 But needs a third example to really finally nail it
[17:23:37] <jubo2>	 and then consumium.org/wiki/ will provide multi-lang interface and query the triplestores with SPARQL queries to build the pages in all the languages
[17:25:01] <jubo2>	 http://develop.consumerium.org/wiki/Voting took only 12.5 yrs to develop from concept start to workable plans
[17:25:02] <Qcoder00>	 MatmaRex:  Hmm
[17:25:17] <jubo2>	 Now just needs CTO willing to work pro-bono
[17:25:23] <Qcoder00>	 I don't know what changed but it now works better than the template it is supposed to replace:)
[17:25:44] <jubo2>	 I cannot be trusted with making the systems that make sure the secrets are and stay secret
[17:26:59] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) enable PageTriage in test environments - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43203 normal; MediaWiki extensions: PageTriage; ()
[17:27:48] <jubo2>	 technically it's feeding the username and secret associated with username in protected database into a one-way hash function and encode the result in BASE-36. Everytime the user resets her/his voter identity by discarding the old id and taking a new one one voting span ends and another begins
[17:28:03] <jubo2>	 that is the voter id
[17:28:04] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Dzahn; "RT-4126" [wikimedia/bugzilla/modifications] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/33747
[17:28:04] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Dzahn; [wikimedia/bugzilla/modifications] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/33747
[17:28:25] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Check all wikis for inclusions of http resources on https - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34670  +comment (10Marius Hoch)
[17:28:26] <jubo2>	 the users may take fresh new voter id as often as they please
[17:28:43] <qgil>	 chrismcmahon, morning, are you planning to send an email to wikitech-l about the two testing group proposals?
[17:29:44] <chrismcmahon>	 qgil: I am
[17:30:04] <qgil>	 chrismcmahon, ok  :)
[17:30:17] <chrismcmahon>	 qgil: I was hoping to get a name or two on the pages if I could
[17:30:42] <qgil>	 chrismcmahon, isn't it the other way around? First you advertise, then people know about this and sign up?
[17:30:57] <jubo2>	 so if you feel you've gotten tangled by your voting identity and your wiki-identity you always have the http://develop.consumerium.org/wiki/Right_to_vanish as voter
[17:32:26] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Nikerabbit; "WorkflowStatesMessageGroup should return string[], not array[]" [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39064
[17:32:52] <jubo2>	 so it's always possible to reset voter idetity to state where only you know who is this new id XD XD
[17:33:48] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Bugzilla auto-linking mangling Gerrit URL - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40344  +comment (10Daniel Zahn)
[17:35:47] <chrismcmahon>	 qgil: I'm flogging it on Twitter
[17:36:12] <Platonides>	 jubo2, would the 'people voting similar to you' be based on accounts or in discardable ids?
[17:36:31] <qgil>	 chrismcmahon, fine and all good, just don't forget wikitech-l since it's the only channel required for new proposals
[17:36:41] <Platonides>	 also, I see a big hole for dealing with amplification and sockpuppets
[17:36:57] <chrismcmahon>	 qgil: I haven't  :)
[17:37:00] <qgil>	 chrismcmahon, btw sumanah sent me a pointer to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Davidbspalding#Inviting_you_to_MediaWiki_groups
[17:37:40] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Aaron Schulz; "The code that makes a DBError and throws it." [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/37233
[17:37:40] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Dzahn; "copy modified Wikimedia extension from bugzilla-4.0 to bugzilla-4.2 (RT-4216), bug 40344" [wikimedia/bugzilla/modifications] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39065
[17:39:10] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Dzahn; "follow-up to change 33747 and bug 40344 , move Extension.pm to 4.2" [wikimedia/bugzilla/modifications] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39065
[17:39:10] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Dzahn; [wikimedia/bugzilla/modifications] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39065
[17:39:10] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) [statements-ui] links to items broken - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43001  +comment (10Daniel Werner)
[17:39:47] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Bugzilla auto-linking mangling Gerrit URL - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40344  +comment (10Daniel Zahn)
[17:41:14] <pubsez>	 hey guys, I have installed mobile wiki frontend, but seems that it does not honor the squid cache age configured in LocalSettings, any idea?
[17:42:41] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Dzahn; "RT-4125   ..rebase?" [wikimedia/bugzilla/modifications] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35840
[17:42:41] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Dzahn; [wikimedia/bugzilla/modifications] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35840
[17:46:29] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Dzahn; "apply change 35840 on bugzilla-4.2 Wikimedia Extension.pm RT-2125 , bug 41321" [wikimedia/bugzilla/modifications] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39068
[17:47:26] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Dzahn; "followup to change 35840 . please work in the "4.2" directory" [wikimedia/bugzilla/modifications] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39068
[17:47:26] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Dzahn; [wikimedia/bugzilla/modifications] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39068
[17:50:12] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Comments with the string "Gerrit 2.5" should not link to Gerrit. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41321  +comment (10Daniel Zahn)
[17:51:47] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: jenkins-bot; [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39053
[17:52:05] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Siebrand; "Thanks, Luke." [mediawiki/extensions/CleanChanges] (master); V: 0 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/38498
[17:53:13] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: jenkins-bot; [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39064
[17:54:32] <jubo2>	 Platonides: discardable ids can be used to access all votes of the voter
[17:54:50] <Ulfr|hiding>	 Can anyone tell me if there's a magical setting that can be enabled that allows an account to be logged in from one computer at a time?
[17:55:10] <jubo2>	 Platonides: and when discarded most of data is destroyed but some ( interesting stats or so ) will be kept
[17:56:07] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Aaron Schulz; "Huh, I thought they were different. Anyway I noticed that they use constants instead of strings." [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/38713
[17:56:17] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Zfilipin; "Simplify Jenkins job template" [qa/browsertests] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39069
[17:56:49] <jubo2>	 the system must retain overall stats for votes over all time. this is an important requirement
[17:56:50] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Nikerabbit; "-2" [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39053
[17:57:09] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Cmcmahon; "better build management in Jenkins" [qa/browsertests] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39069
[17:57:09] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Cmcmahon; [qa/browsertests] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39069
[17:57:49] <^demon>	 Ulfr: No, but you could possibly do it with an extension.
[17:58:29] <jubo2>	 it's looking like we are getting to the implementation stage in 2013 since the plans are complete, well arguable and suitable for purposes of consumer empowerment
[17:59:20] <Ulfr>	 ^demon: I was afraid of that. All I really need to do is make sure that only one machine is updating my user activity timer at a time. Haven't figured out if I should limit that via the single sign on thing or limiting access to the variable
[17:59:24] <Platonides>	 jubo2, so I can vote "+2 Microsoft is great", change id and vote "-2 Microsoft is to be boycotted"  ?
[17:59:28] <Ulfr>	 ^demon: thoughts? :)
[17:59:47] <Platonides>	 Ulfr, why do you need that?
[18:00:06] <jubo2>	 Platonides: that is allowed but what would motivate you to do so.. only thing you'll be sparking is people voting zeros, lots of zeros
[18:00:12] <Ulfr>	 Platonides: My website wants to count for CME credit (something doctors need) and there apparently needs to be limited validation
[18:00:26] <Ulfr>	 Because it's okay if you leave a rock on your space bar but not if you're doing it on multiple terminals
[18:00:52] <jubo2>	 Platonides: non-paid trolls vs. paid trolls ..
[18:01:34] <Platonides>	 I don't follow you, you want to know if they are browsing the website?
[18:01:56] <Platonides>	 what's wrong with taking it as a yes, whether they do so from a single place or a dozen simlutaneously?
[18:02:08] <^demon>	 He said he wants a user to only be able to login to User:Foo from one computer at a time.
[18:02:20] <Ulfr>	 Platonides: Because it's the amount of time logged in that matters
[18:02:27] <^demon>	 Which is understandable, if it's for CME.
[18:02:57] <^demon>	 Ulfr: You could possibly intercept some of the login/logout hooks, and stash the data in memcached or something.
[18:03:07] <jubo2>	 Platonides: now that you mentioned it I am voting zeros on MSFT
[18:03:43] <Ulfr>	 ^demon: Wait, does the edit token change with each session? Or just with each user
[18:03:44] <jubo2>	 every statement like this opens the voter up for profiling by the dark databases.. We should explain this to people in a manner that will not freak them out.
[18:04:22] <Platonides>	 jubo2, I would attack the system by using bots which registered with all common profiles
[18:04:27] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Non-admins can see contents of deleted pages when viewing abusefilter details - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42734  major->15enhancement; +comment (10Chris Steipp)
[18:04:30] <Platonides>	 plus +2 my own company
[18:04:46] <Platonides>	 and taking advantage of the amplification
[18:05:45] <jubo2>	 Platonides: so we need more difficult CAPTCHA to stop bots from registering
[18:05:48] <siebrand>	 AaronSchulz: Thanks for the reply about the lock manager. Could you have a look a the remaining items on https://translatewiki.net/wiki/User:Aaron_Schulz too?
[18:05:57] <Ulfr>	 jubo2: That's a battle you'll never win xD
[18:06:00] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Job queue refreshLinks2 duplicate removal - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/27914  (10Aaron Schulz)
[18:06:12] <jubo2>	 Ulfr: but one must try one's best though
[18:06:21] <AaronSchulz>	 siebrand: you mean GENDER?
[18:06:31] <AaronSchulz>	 maybe someone could just make a patch :)
[18:06:56] * AaronSchulz  doesn't spend too much time on that extension, just sporatically

[18:07:07] <Ulfr>	 jubo2: Oh absolutely, but I wound up giving up the fight and authenticating all user requests myself
[18:07:09] <jubo2>	 If I start to talk about the dark databases the people will freak out. if I don't inform them of the risks involved I would not be honest
[18:07:41] <Ulfr>	 well if you're gonna tell people about them
[18:07:49] <Ulfr>	 Might want to come up with a less frightening name :P
[18:08:50] <csteipp>	 Ulfr: Edit tokens will normally change for each session
[18:08:52] <jubo2>	 but the current situation is that the consumers are giving Sugarmountainlandia Corporation all their marketing research data for exchange with primitive trinkets of social media infrastructure and abusing it's legal limits to the fullest extent
[18:08:54] <anomie>	 ^demon - any idea why Jenkins failed 38802? <https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/38802/2>
[18:08:55] <anomie>	 I guess because of "mediawiki-core-install-sqlite : LOST", but WTF does a test being "LOST" mean?
[18:09:09] <^demon>	 I have no clue.
[18:09:30] <^demon>	 And hashar isn't around :-\
[18:09:39] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Alex Monk; "(bug 43096) Fix querying suppression logs" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/38907
[18:10:07] <Ulfr>	 csteipp: How often is normally? Going to do use cases myself but I'm wondering if we're talking 80% or 99%
[18:10:24] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Users report that Wikipedia App moves into permanent offline mode - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41798  +comment (10Yuvi Panda)
[18:11:19] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Anomie; "Use {{ns:}} in templatesandbox-text message" [mediawiki/extensions/TemplateSandbox] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39051
[18:11:20] <csteipp>	 Ulfr: For a normal install (assuming your session caching is working correctly), edit tokens will get reset for every session. E.g., wikipedia resets them every time you login.
[18:11:29] <Ulfr>	 jubo2: Sorry, I just saw an opportunity to snark and leapt without thinking. What are you trying to stop?
[18:11:46] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Anomie; "PS2: Single quotes ? double quotes in message" [mediawiki/extensions/TemplateSandbox] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39051
[18:11:51] <csteipp>	 There are some weird configs where the session tokens stay around, but that's the exception.
[18:11:53] <Ulfr>	 csteipp: Okay, perfect! I haven't monkeyed with sessions yet
[18:11:58] <Ulfr>	 Thanks :)
[18:12:10] <^demon>	 anomie: I don't know, but we should ping hashar. I dunno if something was misconfigured, or what.
[18:12:14] <^demon>	 https://integration.mediawiki.org/ci/job/mediawiki-core-install-sqlite/ - 404?
[18:13:03] <jubo2>	 Ulfr: I'm trying to stop the non-bodies from registering voter accounts en masse and thus corrupt the system
[18:13:05] <anomie>	 Did someone commit a change recently to whichever repository that lives in, or the config file that tells Jenkins to look there?
[18:13:11] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Connectivity interferes with saved articles (saved pages do not work offline) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40013  +comment (10Yuvi Panda)
[18:13:55] <Ulfr>	 jubo2: Consider adding a refresh requirement on top of your captcha
[18:13:55] <^demon>	 anomie: I don't know. I e-mailed hashar and cc'd you.
[18:14:43] <jubo2>	 Ulfr: editcount thresholding for voting right/duty does come to mind real easy
[18:14:55] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Autocategorization by UploadWizard makes [[:commons:Category:Uploaded with UploadWizard]] uselessly large - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42548  +comment (10Erik Moeller)
[18:15:06] <Ulfr>	 jubo2: I was able to stymie bots for several weeks by requesting a refresh after the user logged in before they could actually do anything
[18:15:15] <Ulfr>	 so the bot flattened the google recaptcha but couldn't figure out the refresh
[18:16:03] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Autocategorization by UploadWizard makes [[:commons:Category:Uploaded with UploadWizard]] uselessly large - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42548  (10Erik Moeller)
[18:16:15] <jubo2>	 aha.. the bot was unable to read the instructions lol
[18:16:32] <^demon>	 Fighting bots is a losing battle. The only permanent solution is to only allow yourself to edit. It's why my wikis have been spam-free for years ;-)
[18:16:45] <Ulfr>	 ^demon: Is it really a wiki then?
[18:17:13] <^demon>	 Ulfr: Indeed. I collaborate with people I trust (me) :)
[18:17:41] <Ulfr>	 ^demon: Might as well use drupal then!
[18:18:14] <^demon>	 I'd rather take a baseball bat to my own face.
[18:18:39] <^demon>	 (Which is roughly how I feel every time I've had to use drupal)
[18:19:30] <Ulfr>	 ^demon: Oh, you're being dramatic.
[18:19:50] <Ulfr>	 I've had to use both, learning curve is about the same
[18:19:54] <Ulfr>	 support's a lot better though
[18:20:23] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Activity log: time ignores user-timezone settings - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43204 trivial; MediaWiki extensions: ArticleFeedbackv5; ()
[18:20:41] <Ulfr>	 for mediawiki*!
[18:21:26] <^demon>	 I'll draw you a helpful graph about how my last experience with Drupal went.
[18:21:28] <AaronSchulz>	 anomie: want to look at https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/38742/1 ?
[18:21:58] <anomie>	 AaronSchulz- Sure, I can take a look
[18:25:42] <jubo2>	 the plan is a whole, arguable on all aspects / sides, internally very contradictory yet totally brainsane and has all the necessary pieces to function
[18:25:58] <Ulfr>	 Sounds about right
[18:26:22] <hoo>	 hi sumanah
[18:26:33] <sumanah>	 hi hoo
[18:26:57] <hoo>	 any chance you could push someone to https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/34843 ?
[18:27:07] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Infobox template expansion generating extra paragraphs - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43084  (10ssastry)
[18:27:15] <^demon>	 Ulfr: Well, I was going to draw a diagram, but I had troubles getting the label on the y-axis to look right. Basically, it's a positive correlation where the x-axis is "Length of project (weeks)" and the y-axis was "Number of times I complained to my peers 'Why oh why did we choose Drupal?'"
[18:28:00] <Ulfr>	 ^demon: Um. Hate to say it buddy, but you could swap out Drupal with X and call it IT projects
[18:28:14] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Allow global renaming of global users - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/14862  +comment (10Chris Steipp)
[18:28:19] <sumanah>	 hoo: question: is it urgent (either to the project or to you)?
[18:28:30] <^demon>	 Ulfr: Indeed :)
[18:28:31] <sumanah>	 hoo: makes it easier for me to persuade people if the answer is yes....
[18:28:48] <jubo2>	 http://develop.consumerium.org/wiki/Right_to_vanish was written on 22 December 2003‎ and last friday it connected with the question of to have or not to have public ids
[18:29:00] <hoo>	 sumanah: No, but it will cost me time cause I need to heavily per hand fix up the wikibase chance if that takes to long....
[18:29:08] <Ulfr>	 Atleast you have peers! The only folks who know what concatenate means on a daily basis that I interact with are on here
[18:29:48] <sumanah>	 Ulfr: lemme point to 10 FLOSSy places that are hiring & many of them take telecommuters: http://www.harihareswara.net/sumana/2012/12/01/0
[18:30:08] <jubo2>	 yes. have public ids to make sense of who is voting for and against whom and zeros on who so that counter-measures to skewing efforts can always be formulated and distributed
[18:30:15] <Ulfr>	 FLOSSy?
[18:30:39] <sumanah>	 hoo: ok, so how long is too long?
[18:30:55] <hoo>	 sumanah: Depends on how busy the wikibase guys are :P
[18:31:21] <Ulfr>	 sumanah: I'm kinda happy with the gig I've got now, I just wind up missing my people now and again
[18:31:35] <hoo>	 I usually like to see stuff fixed, cause I don't want to have to many open chances in gerrit cause I know I have to reserve time for them...
[18:32:43] <Ulfr>	 Folks that work with medical data just don't understand how bloody annoying linebreaks are to troubleshoot
[18:32:52] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Javascript error in wd.template when language is set to French - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42956  +comment (10Lydia Pintscher)
[18:33:05] <jubo2>	 I h4x.. for 12.5 yrs I've been at this and I am vewwy confident that it's good to go with current plans for long time.. open questions exist and will continue to exist but there are no basic units missing from the plan as a whole. I am so XD XD Thank you Jesus.
[18:33:06] <sumanah>	 hoo, sure, I understand that. the thing is that this is true of many of the authors who have open changesets.... since this helps Wikibase, maybe we could ask DanielK_WMDE to review it?
[18:33:27] <hoo>	 I already tried to CC him on the change AFAIR
[18:33:49] <jubo2>	 If the most holy one would not have found me in 2001 I prlly wouldn't be here.. or is it inevitable to turn X-ian I dunno..
[18:33:55] <hoo>	 for some reason it didn't work... now it seems to do
[18:33:56] <hoo>	 meh
[18:35:34] <Krenair>	 csteipp, I think I'm going to give global renaming a go... Shall I take that bug?
[18:35:58] <csteipp>	 Krenair: That would be great!
[18:36:15] <sumanah>	 hoo: you might also want to personally email him or the wikidata-l list explaining why it's useful to get this change in sooner rather than later.
[18:36:24] <sumanah>	 that kind of explanation goes a long way in my experience
[18:36:30] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Allow global renaming of global users - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/14862  +comment (10Krenair)
[18:36:51] <Krenair>	 wow, 46 ccs
[18:37:02] <hoo>	 * 36
[18:37:21] <hoo>	 sumanah: If it stays open for much longer, I'll do...
[18:37:32] <sumanah>	 hoo: so, Wednesday :)
[18:37:44] <hoo>	 Wednesday?
[18:38:00] <sumanah>	 if you wait much longer, you'll run into European holidays
[18:38:59] <jubo2>	 now the gazilliontillion dollar question is do the consumers care or don't they care ?
[18:39:03] <hoo>	 They got holidays from Wednesday onward...
[18:39:08] * hoo  is jealous

[18:39:12] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Content/User language mix ups leading to visual distortion - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43205 normal; MediaWiki extensions: Semantic MediaWiki; ()
[18:39:20] <sumanah>	 what? hoo I think you and I are misunderstanding each other
[18:39:46] <Amgine>	 misunderspeaking
[18:40:11] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Content/User language mix ups leading to visual distortion - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43205  +comment (10Siebrand)
[18:40:12] <hoo>	 sumanah: You wanted to say that I should do that on Wed. cause they'll have holidays next week, no? That makes more sense
[18:40:45] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Content/User language mix ups leading to visual distortion - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43205  +comment (10Siebrand)
[18:41:02] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) 404 error for some files - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39615  +comment (10Aaron Schulz)
[18:43:19] <jubo2>	 http://develop.consumerium.org/wiki/Price_comparison_services a.k.a. price aggregators will define the leading price level but for a price of few bucks or few euros or pounds you can patron a more ethical business
[18:43:37] <jubo2>	 http://develop.consumerium.org/wiki/Review_aggregators_and_review_sites and Consumium.org are on the same turf
[18:44:10] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) [statements-ui] create links to Claim properties - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43206 normal; MediaWiki extensions: WikidataRepo; ()
[18:44:33] <jubo2>	 these are the realities of today, unlimited slow mobile internet costs 2 - 4.90€ / mnth and with touch gesture UI webbrowsing on urr mobile device is a reality
[18:45:05] <sumanah>	 hoo: basically, right -- I was suggesting Wednesday because then the reviewers have a couple of days to juggle reviewing this patchset in with their other last-minute pre-holiday stuff
[18:45:09] <sumanah>	 sorry for the shorthand
[18:45:39] <hoo>	 Ah ok :)
[18:46:40] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Content/User language mix ups leading to visual distortion - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43205  (10Nemo)
[18:47:19] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) "Launch a Tour on using Tours" is broken - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43142  +comment (10Steven Walling)
[18:47:46] <pubsez>	 hey guys, I asked this few hours ago, but in case some developers are active again, mobile fronted does not seem to set the squid cache s-maxage properly, is this by design? Am I missing something here?
[18:49:55] <marktraceur>	 pubsez: From http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Developers/Maintainers it looks like awjr is who you want
[18:50:09] <pubsez>	 thanks marktraceur 
[18:50:13] <marktraceur>	 (I'm just full of reasons to ping awjr today)
[18:50:18] <pubsez>	 :))
[18:50:40] * sumanah  pings awjr just to get in on the trend

[18:50:41] <awjr>	 awjr? never heard of him
[18:50:58] <awjr>	 pubsez: join us #wikimedia-mobile
[18:51:15] <sumanah>	 pubsez: looking forward to your MobileFrontend patches!  That's a really important part of Wikimedia tech (as you know)
[18:51:16] * marktraceur  chants, one of us, one of us

[18:51:33] <sumanah>	 marktraceur: I saw something you'd like this weekend: http://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/?p=2686
[18:52:21] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Allow global renaming of global users - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/14862  (10Siebrand)
[18:53:12] <pubsez>	 sumanah: absolute, at this learning rate I will soon be able to do that, hopefully :)
[18:53:17] <sumanah>	 yay!
[18:53:42] <marktraceur>	 sumanah: Looks pretty awesomesauce....and I *am* in the market for a new computer....though really, I wanted a desktop!
[18:54:12] <sumanah>	 marktraceur: I hear ya.  I doubt Bunnie will be selling them for at least a few months though
[18:54:18] <marktraceur>	 *nod*
[18:54:34] <sumanah>	 I am glad he writes about these things, so rather than "shut up and take my money" I think I would say "please continue saying interesting things whilst taking my money"
[18:55:04] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Kaldari; "Correct the error count" [mediawiki/extensions/UploadWizard] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36602
[18:55:27] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Kaldari; "Rebased" [mediawiki/extensions/UploadWizard] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36602
[18:56:05] <sumanah>	 pubsez: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=41141 and https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=40987 and https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=30902 are all "easy" MobileFrontend bugs so you could get started with those
[18:57:22] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) [statements-ui] create links to Claim properties - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43206  +comment (10Daniel Werner)
[18:57:33] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) [statements-ui] create links to Claim properties - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43206  (10Daniel Werner)
[18:57:38] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) 404 error for some files - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39615  +comment (10Marco)
[18:57:39] <pubsez>	 I don't have a windows phone, don't know too much about it, but the second seems interesting and maybe I can submit a fix for that
[18:57:54] <sumanah>	 cool
[18:58:59] <^demon>	 sumanah: How is it already 2pm? Where has most of today gone?
[18:59:27] <sumanah>	 ^demon: and the sun is already like 2 hours from the horizon too :(
[18:59:52] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Kaldari; "It looks like this improves things slightly, but the error counts are still not totally accurate. Fo..." [mediawiki/extensions/UploadWizard] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36602
[18:59:54] <^demon>	 I can't tell. It's been overcast for like a week straight here :\
[19:00:07] <Ulfr>	 ^demon: You're in New England too?
[19:00:14] <sumanah>	 yeah, it's like that Gibson line, the sky is the color of a tv tuned to a dead channel
[19:00:22] <^demon>	 Ulfr: No, mid-atlantic, just south of DC.
[19:01:05] <Ulfr>	 ^demon: My condolences.
[19:01:55] <Ulfr>	 sumanah: brings to mind that Lewis Black skit about the weather in february
[19:02:01] <^demon>	 Haha.
[19:02:06] * ^demon  digs the clip up.

[19:04:27] <Ulfr>	 ^demon: Link me when you find it!
[19:05:50] <sumanah>	 meeting.
[19:05:54] <^demon>	 youtube is proving to be unhelpful in finding this :\
[19:07:32] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Siebrand; [mediawiki/extensions/TemplateSandbox] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39051
[19:08:33] <^demon>	 Ulfr: Comedy Central comes through: http://www.comedycentral.com/video-clips/s8afso/stand-up-lewis-black--february-in-boston
[19:09:01] <Ulfr>	 ^demon: Good show. I was still browisng through google video
[19:10:12] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) display problem, login problem, possible caching issue - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42452  +comment (10Ryan Kaldari)
[19:10:19] <Ulfr>	 ^demon: I remember that week
[19:11:01] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Lupo; "If it still isn't correct, I'll have to go through all of the UW JS and make sure that all validator..." [mediawiki/extensions/UploadWizard] (master) C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36602
[19:11:53] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Make AbuseFilter aware of Wikibase content models. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42064  +comment (10Chris Steipp)
[19:13:08] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) [Regression] API generator=duplicatefiles broken - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43207 normal; MediaWiki: API; ()
[19:13:29] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Anomie; "(bug 43207) Fix regression in API generator=duplicatefiles" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39073
[19:13:42] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) [Regression] API generator=duplicatefiles broken - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43207   +patch-in-gerrit; +comment (10Brad Jorsch)
[19:14:27] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Massaf; "Restyle Guiders to match Agora styling" [mediawiki/extensions/GuidedTour] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39074
[19:19:35] <Doyle>	 Hey. After setting the require line in LocalSettings.php, is there anything else that needs to happen before the extension becomes active?
[19:19:52] <Doyle>	 Syntax highlight is not cooperating here
[19:20:33] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Signup to labsconsole is not possible - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43176  +comment (10Fomafix)
[19:20:55] <non-sense>	 is httpd.conf the only place to define the listening ip?
[19:20:56] <marktraceur>	 Doyle: You may also need to download an external utility for SyntaxHighlighter
[19:21:19] <non-sense>	 I changed 2 lines to listen on my new lan ip, but when I navigate to http://ip.addy
[19:21:26] <marktraceur>	 non-sense: No, you can also do it in included conf files, but it seems like having it set centrally would generally be a good plan
[19:21:30] <Doyle>	 I'll have a look
[19:21:34] <non-sense>	 it redirects to a closer ip but not the one I specified
[19:22:18] <non-sense>	 i thought it may have been browser cache, but same thing happens from a remote pc
[19:22:37] <marktraceur>	 non-sense: Why not listen on 0.0.0.0? Is there some security reason?
[19:22:51] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: MaxSem; "Throw away everything not needed per our current requirements" [mediawiki/extensions/PageImages] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39076
[19:23:23] <marktraceur>	 non-sense: And if you get redirected, it may be MediaWiki redirecting you. Check your LocalSettings.php
[19:23:58] <non-sense>	 well I plan to deploy to wan, so i'd need to specify an IP
[19:24:10] <non-sense>	 LocalSettings.php is most likey my issue
[19:25:12] <non-sense>	 $wgServer was the key
[19:25:18] <non-sense>	 thanks marktraceur
[19:25:22] <marktraceur>	 non-sense: I'm not sure you need to, 0.0.0.0 will just listen on all IPs
[19:25:25] <marktraceur>	 But AOK
[19:25:29] <marktraceur>	 Glad to help, cheers
[19:25:38] <non-sense>	 oh ic.
[19:26:17] <non-sense>	 I'll need to specify the ip in localsettings.php then corrent?
[19:26:36] <non-sense>	 when and if I decide to make it available on the WAN
[19:26:43] <marktraceur>	 non-sense: I'm not sure you *need* to, but it seems like a good idea
[19:27:57] <^demon>	 You can just listen on *:80, fwiw :)
[19:28:19] <^demon>	 (in apache, that is. Won't work for mw)
[19:28:20] <marktraceur>	 Right, ezzackly
[19:28:39] <marktraceur>	 non-sense: I think if you don't set $wgServer, it won't try to redirect you. That may or may not be good.
[19:29:35] <Platonides>	 if you don't set $wgServer, it will guess from the Host server
[19:29:39] <Platonides>	 which will work fine
[19:29:46] <Platonides>	 it will be slightly less secure, though
[19:29:46] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Aaron Schulz; "[JobQueue] Made showJobs.php work for non-DB queues." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/38742
[19:30:09] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Massaf; "There is some odd spacing/alignment in the CSS. Sublime definitely didn't render it this way. I can ..." [mediawiki/extensions/GuidedTour] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39074
[19:30:13] <Platonides>	 but you should be setting $wgServer to a hostname, not an ip...
[19:30:35] <^demon>	 Well, assuming you have a hostname. It works just fine on an IP too.
[19:34:58] <factor>	 http://stream.aljazeera.com/ live the right to remix and creative commons
[19:36:01] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Hashar; "resubmitting due to Jenkins error" [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/38802
[19:38:35] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: jenkins-bot; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/38802
[19:38:44] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Enhance imagescaler processes containment - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43188  +comment (10Faidon Liambotis)
[19:39:21] <Doyle>	 Is there a way to check which extensions are being successfully loaded? I've tried SyntaxHighligher and Geshi, neither of them work. 
[19:39:26] <Doyle>	 I'm missing something.
[19:40:37] <MatmaRex>	 Doyle: it's shown on [[Special:Version]]
[19:42:31] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Hashar; "resubmitting due to Jenkins issue." [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39010
[19:42:41] <Scooter_>	 Doyle, cache issues maybe? on firefox you can hit shift+reload to be sure
[19:42:53] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Hashar; "resubmitting due to Jenkins issue" [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/37330
[19:43:16] <Scooter_>	 just added Geshi to my wiki the other day
[19:45:15] <qgil>	 chrismcmahon, you had a chance to advertise the browser testing group at http://chrismcmahonsblog.blogspot.com/2012/12/open-browser-test-automation-at-wmf.html  :)
[19:45:16] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Infobox template expansion generating extra paragraphs - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43084  +comment (10Gabriel Wicke)
[19:45:17] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: jenkins-bot; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39010
[19:45:55] <qgil>	 chrismcmahon, actually that blog post is very interesting. With just a couple of retouches it coud be a good post for the Wikimedia blog. Are you considering?
[19:46:26] <chrismcmahon>	 qgil: I asked guillom if he were interested, haven't heard  back
[19:46:38] <Doyle>	 Special:Version shows the installes software, mysql and php, but not the extensions
[19:47:00] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: jenkins-bot; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/37330
[19:47:14] <qgil>	 chrismcmahon, good! While you wait... http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Blog
[19:47:15] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Allow authentication plugins to report error messages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/16524  +comment (10Ryan Lane)
[19:47:31] <qgil>	 chrismcmahon, I can tell that stuff is interesting. :)
[19:50:06] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: awjrichards; "I think this is ready for merge after Dereckson's documentation comments are implemented." [mediawiki/extensions/FeaturedFeeds] (master); V: 0 C: 1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/23108
[19:50:40] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Kaldari; "Nevermind. It looks like the errors in labels aren't really errors. They are just the descriptions o..." [mediawiki/extensions/UploadWizard] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36602
[19:50:40] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Kaldari; [mediawiki/extensions/UploadWizard] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36602
[19:51:04] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Special:Statistics - new line "other pages" in section page statistics - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33277  +comment (10Hex)
[19:51:21] <Ulfr>	 Doyle: Are you sure the extensions are installed?
[19:51:31] <guillom>	 chrismcmahon: qgil: I saw the link in pm but I haven't read it yet. I didn't realize follow-up was requested
[19:53:19] <guillom>	 More exactly, I didn't realize " I thought this might interest you" meant "Do you think this could go on the WMF blog"
[19:55:35] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Amire80; "Fix doc and remove unneeded action check" [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39077
[19:56:53] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Allow authentication plugins to report error messages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/16524  (10Terry Chay)
[19:57:00] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Wizardist; "Hi, Brian." [mediawiki/core] (master) C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/37837
[19:57:34] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Allow authentication plugins to report error messages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/16524  +comment (10Sumana Harihareswara)
[19:59:33] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Alex Monk; "(bug 43096) Fix querying suppression logs" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/38907
[20:01:58] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Please set X-Content-Duration on OGG Video files - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41304  +comment (10Faidon Liambotis)
[20:06:58] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Anomie; "The failing change had nothing to do with this patch. Let's tell Jenkins to try again and see if it ..." [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39073
[20:07:05] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Please set X-Content-Duration on OGG Video files - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41304  +comment (10p858snake)
[20:08:29] <Doyle>	 Ulfr: I'm getting the packages, extracting them to /extension, then adding the require line to LocalSettings.php
[20:08:49] <Ulfr>	 Doyle: But do they *work*?
[20:09:23] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Post-page move redirects contain two newlines below redirect code - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42616  +comment (10MZMcBride)
[20:09:25] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: jenkins-bot; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39073
[20:09:42] <Doyle>	 I can't get them to. I just need syntax highlighting. <source lang="php"> does not enable it. I  end up with fragmented display of the code... just looks bad.
[20:09:55] <Doyle>	 Acts as though the extension doesn't exist.
[20:10:42] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Nikerabbit; "Search WIP" [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39079
[20:12:36] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Regression: Api query by aisha1 stopped working - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43177  +comment (10Jesús Martínez Novo (Ciencia Al Poder))
[20:13:30] <Doyle>	 OK, I see what you mean. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Version shows me what I'm missing. The only section I have is "Installed Software"
[20:13:31] <Ulfr>	 Doyle: Did you check your error log?
[20:15:04] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Content/User language mix ups leading to visual distortion - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43205  +comment (10MWJames)
[20:15:18] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) [Regression] API generator=duplicatefiles broken - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43207  +comment (10Brad Jorsch)
[20:16:13] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: jenkins-bot; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/38907
[20:18:18] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Querying suppression events (letype=suppress) through API returns an empty list - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43096  +comment (10Brad Jorsch)
[20:18:20] <Scooter_>	 Doyle, did you check if it was a cache issue? should be immediate once you save your LocalSettings
[20:19:38] <Doyle>	 I enabled error reporting in LocalSettings.php, it doesnt catch anything. But I see an error reported in mediawikis error log
[20:20:00] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Autocategorization by UploadWizard makes [[:commons:Category:Uploaded with UploadWizard]] uselessly large - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42548  +comment (10Rainer Rillke @commons.wikimedia)
[20:21:22] <Doyle>	 Error on line 146 of LocalSettings.php, which is     require_once("extensions/Syntax/highlight.php")
[20:21:51] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) ArticleFeedback: posts can be marked as unhelpful multiple times by the same user - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43208 normal; MediaWiki extensions: ArticleFeedbackv5; ()
[20:22:57] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Hoo man; "Clean up and restructured the AbuseFilter JS" [mediawiki/extensions/AbuseFilter] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/30110
[20:24:31] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Autocategorization by UploadWizard makes [[:commons:Category:Uploaded with UploadWizard]] uselessly large - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42548  +comment (10Erik Moeller)
[20:25:11] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Enable Page Curation on en.wikisource - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38512  +comment (10Dereckson)
[20:25:41] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Hoo man; "Removed redundancies within the edit.js functions, minor. Tested!" [mediawiki/extensions/AbuseFilter] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/30110
[20:25:58] <Doyle>	 Man... PHP Parse error:  syntax error, unexpected '.' in /var/www/mediawiki-1.19.1/LocalSettings.php on line 146 ... something in highlight.php is messing this up
[20:27:04] <Doyle>	 I copied the code from http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:SyntaxHighlighterAndCodeColorizer
[20:27:26] <Doyle>	  $out->addScript('<script type="text/javascript" src="'.$wgScriptPath.'/extensions/Syntax/scripts/'.'shCore.js'.'"></script>'."\n"); maybe?
[20:27:29] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Raw $PAGEINTRO in email notifications - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42752  (10bsitu)
[20:28:17] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Reedy; "Suppress warnings around unlink call" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39080
[20:29:28] <Doyle>	 ya... something seems funky with those single quotes
[20:30:12] <Doyle>	 ... dang. Sublime says the single quotes are all right.
[20:30:44] <Doyle>	 why! WHY! don't either of these syntax highlighters work. I HATE taking over administration of existing servers.
[20:31:29] <Scooter_>	 they definitely work
[20:32:11] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Demon; "recheck" [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39080
[20:32:43] <Scooter_>	 want to try putting your localsettings in pastie so we can see it
[20:32:50] <Doyle>	 sure
[20:32:52] <Doyle>	 t
[20:32:53] <Doyle>	 y
[20:33:23] <Reedy>	 Nasty
[20:33:39] <Reedy>	 http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:SyntaxHighlight_GeSHi is what wikimedia et al use
[20:34:45] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: jenkins-bot; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39080
[20:35:40] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) backport pep8 from Ubuntu Raring to Precise - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43209 enhancement; Wikimedia: Testing Infrastructure; ()
[20:36:43] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Raimond Spekking; "Was reverted by accident in I7fcbde6a." [mediawiki/extensions/TemplateSandbox] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/37867
[20:37:39] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Reedy; "Suppress warnings around unlink call" [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.21wmf6) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39081
[20:41:44] <Doyle>	 Sorry, someone needed me. http://pastie.org/5544404
[20:42:48] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Enhance imagescaler processes containment - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43188  (10Rob Lanphier)
[20:43:26] <Scooter_>	 hmm, most extensions have you put in "require_once("$IP/extensions/" instead of just extensions
[20:43:35] <Scooter_>	 not sure if that makes a difference
[20:43:47] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Moving MobileFrontend into core (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35919  +comment (10Tomasz Finc)
[20:44:44] <^demon>	 Scooter_: It makes a difference if your include_path doesn't contain . (in which case just doing the relative path won't work).
[20:44:53] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Hashar; "JavaScript maintenance" [mediawiki/extensions/SVGEdit] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36754
[20:45:22] <^demon>	 $IP/extensions will always work.
[20:45:25] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Hashar; "PS3 address issues reported by Timo." [mediawiki/extensions/SVGEdit] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36754
[20:46:56] <Doyle>	 Scooter_: I tried both ways
[20:47:40] <Ulfr>	 Doyle: I got sucked into a meeting, sorry for abandoning
[20:47:56] <Doyle>	 np
[20:48:33] <Ulfr>	 Doyle: Why are you calling a script in localsettings?
[20:48:41] <Ulfr>	 You can do it in Common.js far easier
[20:49:03] <Scooter_>	 require_once("$IP/extensions/SyntaxHighlight_GeSHi/SyntaxHighlight_GeSHi.php"); is what I have in my wiki, and it works...if that doesn't work for you, I'd guess you copied/extracted the code wrong
[20:49:48] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Reedy; [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.21wmf6) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39081
[20:50:49] <Doyle>	 Ulfr: the installation guides said to
[20:50:52] <Doyle>	 ...
[20:50:59] <Ulfr>	 link to guide please?
[20:51:45] <Scooter_>	 extensions all say to put in localsettings
[20:51:47] <Doyle>	 http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:SyntaxHighlighterAndCodeColorizer   
[20:52:22] <Ulfr>	 Doyle: Okay, I'm following, why do you have the <script> stuff in localsettings?
[20:52:28] <Ulfr>	 That's like finding pasta in the fridge
[20:53:04] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Comments with the string "Gerrit 2.5" should not link to Gerrit. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41321  +comment (10Andre Klapper)
[20:53:15] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Comments with the string "Gerrit 2.5" should not link to Gerrit. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41321  +comment (10Andre Klapper)
[20:53:22] <Doyle>	 Ulfr: I'm taking this over from someone else...
[20:53:30] <Ulfr>	 Doyle: Been there. It's no fun
[20:53:38] <Doyle>	 I've setup mediawiki in the past and never had this kind of trouble.
[20:53:54] <Ulfr>	 okay, so your localsettings is probably still borked
[20:53:56] <Scooter_>	 not seeing any <script> in his paste
[20:54:06] <Ulfr>	 easiest way to troubleshoot it is to type php LocalSettings.php
[20:54:13] <Ulfr>	 if it says this isn't mediawiki you're ont he right track
[20:54:42] <Ulfr>	 Oh, balls. I just realized he was referring to the program he's pasting ><
[20:55:20] <Ulfr>	 otherwise the error gets indcicated. what's your current error?
[20:55:40] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Bugzilla auto-linking mangling Gerrit URL - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40344  +comment (10Andre Klapper)
[20:55:44] <Scooter_>	 old version of MW by any chance?
[20:57:07] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Krinkle; "JavaScript maintenance" [mediawiki/extensions/SVGEdit] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36754
[20:57:54] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Krinkle; "Only 32 left." [mediawiki/extensions/SVGEdit] (master); V: 0 C: 1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36754
[20:58:04] <Krinkle>	 hashar: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/36754/
[21:06:31] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Martineznovo; "As I can see on special/SpecialAbuseFilter.php line 94, it seems to be already done there, so the pr..." [mediawiki/extensions/AbuseFilter] (master) C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/38821
[21:09:27] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Martineznovo; "Dupe of Gerrit change 38821. You probably should abandon this one. This can be done from the web int..." [mediawiki/extensions/AbuseFilter] (master) C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/38919
[21:11:41] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Matmarex; "Mostly more nitpicking. I haven't run the code yet :)" [mediawiki/core] (master) C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/38915
[21:13:07] <hashar>	 Krinkle: looking :-)
[21:13:44] <hashar>	 Krinkle: my concern with the JSHint changes on SVGEdit is that I have not actually installed the extension ;)
[21:14:38] <Krinkle>	 hashar: what could possibly go wrong ;-)
[21:14:58] <hashar>	 Krinkle: brion getting mad at us :-)
[21:15:04] <marktraceur>	 terrrydactyl: Hey, how's it going?
[21:15:49] <Doyle>	 Ulfr: currently i don't get an error on the page, it just doesn't load as though syntaxhighlight is available. In the mediawiki error logs I get   PHP Parse error:  syntax error, unexpected '.' in /var/www/mediawiki-1.19.1/LocalSettings.php on line 146
[21:16:00] <Doyle>	 which is calling highlight.php
[21:16:02] <MatmaRex>	 Krinkle: could  you reply to latest comments on https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=40124 ? (sorry if i'm annoying)
[21:16:17] <MatmaRex>	 Krinkle: (but i'd really like to get a clarification at last :) )
[21:16:24] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Hashar; "Good for me too, I would prefer to have the final go from Brion. I think he recently talked about th..." [mediawiki/extensions/SVGEdit] (master); V: 0 C: 1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/36754
[21:17:13] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) [Regression] E-Mail notification mail: page names with "&" come as " &amp;" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43070  (10T. Gries)
[21:18:06] <Ulfr>	 Doyle: What's on 146?
[21:18:23] <Doyle>	 require_once("extensions/Syntax/highlight.php");
[21:18:51] <Ulfr>	 require_once("$IP/extensions/Syntax/highlight.php");
[21:18:53] <Ulfr>	 change it to that
[21:19:06] <Nikerabbit>	 what is the previous line?
[21:19:12] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Reedy; "Suppress warnings around copy call" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39087
[21:20:08] <Krinkle>	 MatmaRex: ok
[21:21:06] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) mediawiki.Uri crashes in pages with '@' in their url - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42513  +comment (10Bartosz Dziewoński)
[21:22:01] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Aaron Schulz; "-1" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39080
[21:22:09] <AaronSchulz>	 Krinkle: :)
[21:22:55] <Krinkle>	 wut?
[21:23:27] <Krinkle>	 AaronSchulz: Did I miss something?
[21:23:34] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Disambiguation status in page table - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43210 normal; MediaWiki: Database; ()
[21:24:18] <AaronSchulz>	 Krinkle: I'm trying your technique of using -1/-2 in plaintext
[21:24:24] <Krinkle>	 aha
[21:24:33] <Krinkle>	 Ulfr: Oh, interesting. I clicked the link to that page earlier, and fixed the syntax error half an hour ago. I didn't know you were still talking about it :I
[21:24:40] <Krinkle>	 Ulfr: https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Extension%3ASyntaxHighlighterAndCodeColorizer&diff=617791&oldid=603873
[21:25:10] <Krinkle>	 AaronSchulz: Well, be careful though. It has no meaning. Basically just self satisfaction, you still need to fix it yourself
[21:25:25] <Krinkle>	 (or if you don't want to, revert and put the ball back in the submitter's court)
[21:25:44] <Krinkle>	 you resubmit the original change with a real -1 score
[21:25:48] <Krinkle>	 (that's what I do aanyway)
[21:26:30] <AaronSchulz>	 yeah
[21:26:34] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Disambiguation status in page table - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43210  normal->15enhancement; +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy))
[21:26:54] <AaronSchulz>	 "self satisfaction", heh
[21:27:15] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Bugzilla Email Address Privacy Concerns - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/148  (10Andre Klapper)
[21:27:33] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Demon; "We've been suppressing I/O errors like these for years though..." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39080
[21:28:01] <Krinkle>	 ^demon: Afroid of chonge ?
[21:28:04] <Krinkle>	 Afraid of change*
[21:28:06] <Doyle>	 No luck with require_once("$IP/extensions/Syntax/highlight.php");
[21:28:30] <^demon>	 Krinkle: Indeed, I am!
[21:28:41] <Krinkle>	 Doyle: What error are you getting? Does that file actually exist? (did you create it?)
[21:28:42] <Doyle>	 Nikerabbit: the previous line: $wgWhitelistRead = array ("Special:Userlogin", "MediaWiki:Common.css", "MediaWiki:Common.js", "MediaWiki:Monobook.css", "MediaWiki:Monobook.js", "-");
[21:29:10] <Krinkle>	 ^demon: I'm out of context here though, just spotted the line from gerrit-wm
[21:29:13] <Doyle>	 Krinkle: Yep. I created it with the contents from http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:SyntaxHighlighterAndCodeColorizer
[21:29:26] <^demon>	 Krinkle: There's another line to my comment. That was just the first line :)
[21:29:27] <Krinkle>	 Doyle: So what's the error?
[21:29:47] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Disambiguation status in page table - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43210  +comment (10Betacommand)
[21:30:20] <Doyle>	 PHP Parse error:  syntax error, unexpected '.' in /var/www/mediawiki-1.19.1/LocalSettings.php on line 146
[21:30:27] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Customise Bugzilla front page to have more useful links - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/22170  (10Andre Klapper)
[21:30:32] <Krinkle>	 Doyle: What is on that line?
[21:30:48] <Doyle>	 require_once("$IP/extensions/Syntax/highlight.php");
[21:30:55] <Krinkle>	 ^demon: AaronSchulz: wgDontNotSuppressSuppressWarnings = !true; ? 
[21:32:10] <Krinkle>	 Doyle: The line before after 
[21:32:15] <Krinkle>	 before and after*
[21:32:19] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) mw-navigation should not be printed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43211 normal; MediaWiki: Interface; ()
[21:32:30] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Krinkle; "wgSurpressSurpressWarnings?" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39080
[21:33:07] <^demon>	 Krinkle: $wgSuppressSpuriousWarnings = true by default.
[21:33:16] <^demon>	 Then if you want the warnings, set it to false :)
[21:33:35] <sumanah>	 apergos: csteipp: marktraceur - I was wondering whether you had seen https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-dev/2012-October/004116.html  re how to work better with legit edits coming from Tor
[21:33:50] <sumanah>	 background: RobLa & I met a Tor person at the GSoC mentors' summit
[21:33:53] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Replicate bugzilla database to the toolserver - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/28339  +comment (10Andre Klapper)
[21:34:06] <Doyle>	  the previous line: $wgWhitelistRead = array ("Special:Userlogin", "MediaWiki:Common.css", "MediaWiki:Common.js", "MediaWiki:Monobook.css", "MediaWiki:Monobook.js", "-");
[21:34:09] <Doyle>	 Nothing after that
[21:34:11] <Doyle>	 end of file
[21:34:17] <apergos>	 I talked with roger back in the day but we never reached a common ground
[21:34:20] <apergos>	 sumanah: 
[21:34:37] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) mw-navigation should not be printed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43211  (10Bartosz Dziewoński)
[21:34:40] <^demon>	 Doyle: Fun trick: you never need to whitelist userlogin. It's hardcoded to always be readable.
[21:34:53] <sumanah>	 apergos: what was the point of disagreement? implementation, policy, or other?
[21:34:53] <apergos>	 that was a few years ago though
[21:34:54] <^demon>	 Been that way for about 5 years, if memory serves.
[21:35:08] <apergos>	 he didn't have a technological approach
[21:35:18] <apergos>	 so it was a discussion based on policy
[21:35:38] <apergos>	 and while I want people to be able to edit from areas where surveillance makes it unsafe
[21:35:43] <sumanah>	 apergos: sorry, I don't think I know who Roger is?
[21:36:01] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Install sitemap extension into bugzilla, and then update bugzilla robots.txt - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33406  +comment (10Andre Klapper)
[21:36:01] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Kaldari; "Fixing line height for the notification titles" [mediawiki/extensions/Echo] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39148
[21:36:08] <Doyle>	 Thanks ^demon
[21:36:10] <apergos>	 Dingledine
[21:36:25] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Kaldari; [mediawiki/extensions/Echo] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39148
[21:36:29] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Mattflaschen; "(bug 43211) Add mw-navigation to display: none on print." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39149
[21:36:46] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Add editbugs user right to legitimate Bugzilla accounts - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40497  (10Andre Klapper)
[21:37:25] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Autocategorization by UploadWizard makes [[:commons:Category:Uploaded with UploadWizard]] uselessly large - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42548  +comment (10Rainer Rillke @commons.wikimedia)
[21:37:35] <csteipp>	 apergos: What types of things was roger suggesting?
[21:37:51] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) mw-navigation should not be printed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43211  +comment (10Matthew Flaschen)
[21:38:15] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) mw-navigation should not be printed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43211   +patch-need-review (10Matthew Flaschen)
[21:39:23] <apergos>	 he wanted people to be able to edit through tor
[21:39:57] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Matmarex; "Could be nice to clean up the rules for all descendants of #mw-navigation." [mediawiki/core] (master) C: 1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39149
[21:40:15] <apergos>	 which I do too, the problem as we know is that then ip-based blocks become useless
[21:40:38] <apergos>	 if we want to get picky about it, for anyone determined, ip blocks except for quite loarge range blocks are basically useless
[21:40:46] <apergos>	 without tor even
[21:40:47] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) mw-navigation should not be printed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43211  (10Bartosz Dziewoński)
[21:40:48] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) CSS (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/12788  (10Bartosz Dziewoński)
[21:41:55] <csteipp>	 apergos: yep. So he didn't have any specific ideas for how to solve that problem i take it? Or was the issue his solutions wouldn't be implementable by us?
[21:43:40] <Platonides>	 well, people can edit through tor
[21:43:41] <sumanah>	 https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/q/status:merged+project:mediawiki/extensions/TorBlock,n,z - nearly nothing in the last 8 months. https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Developers/Maintainers - it's kinda sorta Tim on TorBlock. So I'd have to get a volunteer to implement anything ANYWAY.  Tonight I can recruit I guess :-)
[21:43:47] <apergos>	 yes they can if they have an account
[21:43:56] <Platonides>	 but they need to be registered and given a specific right
[21:44:00] <apergos>	 but then you have the chicken and egg problem
[21:44:07] <apergos>	 how do they get that account set up n the first place
[21:44:18] <Platonides>	 emailing otrs?
[21:44:20] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Create Wikisource Assamese - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43129  -shellpolicy +patch-in-gerrit +shell; +comment (10Dereckson)
[21:44:30] <apergos>	 csteipp: I am trying to recall the details but it's from 3+ years ago
[21:44:35] <sumanah>	 and if they don't have an account then they cannot securely contact admins onwiki ..... OTRS might work if we advertised it better?
[21:44:39] <csteipp>	 apergos: No problem :)
[21:44:47] <Platonides>	 I like a lot how the new acocunt creation form has an option for "requesting an account"
[21:45:05] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) mw-navigation should not be printed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43211  -patch-need-review +patch-in-gerrit (10Andre Klapper)
[21:45:17] <Platonides>	 they could also log into irc and ask an admin for that :P
[21:45:30] <apergos>	 I remember thinking that 1) he wasn't giving up much ideological ground (ok, I am not knocking anyone for that) and that his approach wasn't going to really work for us as far as allowing us to keep up the good fight against vandalism
[21:45:30] <Platonides>	 there are several ways, but you need to be an insider to know them
[21:45:36] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Krinkle; "Aside from the minor coding style issues there is a bigger issue here. This was attempted before las..." [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/38915
[21:45:37] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Compare selected versions, show/hide, and visual/html diff should be links, but appear as buttons - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/16165  +comment (10Krinkle)
[21:45:58] <apergos>	 but in the end ip blocks are only for either
[21:46:08] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Use <a> instead of <button> for "Compare selected versions" on HistoryAction - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/16165  summary (10Krinkle)
[21:46:11] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Mattflaschen; "(bug 43211) Add mw-navigation to display: none on print." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39149
[21:46:13] <sumanah>	 apergos: I infer that Roger wanted people to be able to edit without even a consistent pseudonym, via Tor?
[21:46:22] <Platonides>	 tor would also break checkuser tools
[21:46:23] <apergos>	 drive-by vandals or the pissed off user who will see the lbock and take a break to cool off
[21:46:50] <apergos>	 without an account anyways
[21:47:23] <apergos>	 and tbh that's also reasonable because someone can collect a lot of info based on the aggregate of edits one nym makes
[21:47:28] <apergos>	 true anonymity is hard
[21:47:42] <sumanah>	 it is.
[21:47:47] <Platonides>	 nym?
[21:47:56] <apergos>	 pseudonym 
[21:48:05] <sumanah>	 in Wikimedia world -- "username", roughly
[21:49:00] <Platonides>	 I didn't know that abbreviation
[21:49:02] <apergos>	 at this point those guys might have some much more concrete and practical ideas
[21:49:05] <csteipp>	 Ah, from a paper by Roger: "a service could prevent abuse... by implementing various schemes for escrowing anonymous posts until editors reviewed them"
[21:49:09] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Install sitemap extension into bugzilla, and then update bugzilla robots.txt - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33406  +comment (10Jesús Martínez Novo (Ciencia Al Poder))
[21:49:12] <apergos>	 ah yeah well it's used in crypto circles some
[21:49:37] <sumanah>	 I am personally fine with saying "if you are willing to use a consistent username then you can edit from Tor" -- Platonides what is the right they ought to ask for? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:IP_block_exemption or other?
[21:50:25] <Platonides>	 I could be wrong
[21:51:05] <Platonides>	 torunblocked
[21:51:11] <sumanah>	 I can point people to  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Advice_to_users_using_Tor_to_bypass_the_Great_Firewall  if that's generally accurate
[21:51:15] <Platonides>	 By default, $wgGroupPermissions['user']['torunblocked'] = true; is set
[21:52:07] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Mattflaschen; "At Matmarex's suggestion, I removed the noprint classes on the other two children (I could only find..." [mediawiki/core] (master) C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39149
[21:52:08] <sumanah>	 Platonides: you mean it's on by default whenever someone creates a new account?
[21:52:28] <Platonides>	 sumanah, by default for Extension:TorBlock
[21:52:39] <Platonides>	 we probably haven't overriden it
[21:52:47] <giftpflanze>	 sumanah: can you poke howief about my request on his mediawiki.org talk page, please?
[21:53:03] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Contributions list for "Conversion script" account on the English Wikipedia is wonky - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43212 normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; ()
[21:53:14] <apergos>	 afaik once you are logged in you can edit, whether or not you come via a tor node
[21:53:19] <apergos>	 (by our configs)
[21:53:31] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Contributions list for "Conversion script" account on the English Wikipedia is wonky - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43212  (10MZMcBride)
[21:53:39] <sumanah>	 giftpflanze: sure! it might be useful for you to email the design mailing list with a link to https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User_talk:Howief#Category_changes_extension so more people see your ping and can respond directly to you
[21:53:44] <Platonides>	 no, you need ipblock-exempt to get torunblocked
[21:53:46] <sumanah>	 giftpflanze: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/design
[21:53:50] <giftpflanze>	 oh, ok
[21:53:50] <Platonides>	 CommonSettings.php:$wgGroupPermissions['user']['torunblocked'] = false;
[21:53:57] <sumanah>	 giftpflanze: does that make sense?
[21:54:06] <giftpflanze>	 does what make sense?
[21:54:16] <sumanah>	 giftpflanze: does my suggestion make sense? 
[21:54:24] <giftpflanze>	 it does
[21:54:24] <apergos>	 hmm really?
[21:54:24] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Tag edits made through Special:GettingStarted - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43191  +comment (10Matthew Flaschen)
[21:54:42] <sumanah>	 giftpflanze: great! thanks for your contribution; I appreciate it
[21:55:01] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Allow global renaming of global users - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/14862  +comment (10Trijnstel)
[21:57:42] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Allow global renaming of global users - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/14862  +comment (10Marius Hoch)
[21:57:56] <Doyle>	 OK pulled all the syntax stuff out. starting over.
[21:58:48] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Kaldari; "Adjust pref link if All Notifications link is not present" [mediawiki/extensions/Echo] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39150
[21:59:40] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) All notifications… is sometimes unnecessary - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42074  (10Ryan Kaldari)
[22:00:15] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Autocategorization by UploadWizard makes [[:commons:Category:Uploaded with UploadWizard]] uselessly large - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42548  +comment (10Erik Moeller)
[22:01:36] <apergos>	 these are some old pages too btw
[22:01:41] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Hoo man; "(bug 39397) Only show rollback links if they work" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/31312
[22:02:08] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) mw-navigation should not be printed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43211  +comment (10Bartosz Dziewoński)
[22:02:18] <sumanah>	 apergos: you mean the IPBE and WP:TOR pages?
[22:02:46] <apergos>	 uh huh
[22:02:46] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Matmarex; "As we've learned with the fix to bug 457 that caused highlighted issues which are noted on bug 42452..." [mediawiki/core] (master) C: 1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39149
[22:02:51] <sumanah>	 blergh. ok.
[22:02:55] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Hoo man; "Rebased... would be great, if somebody could take a look" [mediawiki/core] (master) C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/31312
[22:03:15] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) mw-navigation should not be printed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43211  +comment (10Bartosz Dziewoński)
[22:07:17] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Bogus script path shown on "entry point urls" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43184  (10Karun)
[22:07:38] <apergos>	 ipblock-exempt is sufficient, as it alsosets torunblocked to true 
[22:08:19] <sumanah>	 ok, so it sounds like my advice should be: "the current workflow is: use UTRS/OTRS to get an account, ask for ipblock-exempt, change the pw as soon as they give you an account"
[22:08:40] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Hoo man; "Parser::getExternalLinkAttribs can't be used statically atm and we don't have any parser object arou..." [mediawiki/core] (master) C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/37057
[22:10:30] <apergos>	 I guess so
[22:12:30] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Autocategorization by UploadWizard makes [[:commons:Category:Uploaded with UploadWizard]] uselessly large - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42548  +comment (10Platonides)
[22:17:55] <apergos>	 hm here is some discussion of his from 2007 http://cryptome.info/wiki-no-tor.htm
[22:19:17] <sumanah>	 I hope it pleases them to find out "you can already edit anonymously from behind Tor as long as you're willing to be pseudonymous"
[22:19:22] <sumanah>	 because at least that is something
[22:21:50] <apergos>	 well and you get granted the right because it's exceptional curcumstance or you are an editor in good standing :-/
[22:22:22] <sumanah>	 yeah, that's the tough bit there.
[22:22:22] <apergos>	 anyways I'm interested in seeing where the discussion goes this time
[22:22:38] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Ori.livneh; "@Mattflaschen: Yeah, I think you're right re: whitespace. I'll defer tidying it up to my next patch,..." [mediawiki/extensions/EventLogging] (master); V: 0 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/38126
[22:23:12] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Notification payloads should not include wikitext - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43213 normal; MediaWiki extensions: Echo; ()
[22:26:06] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Bogus script path shown on "entry point urls" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43184  +comment (10Karun)
[22:26:06] <apergos>	 so the thing about something like this:
[22:26:06] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) "Launch a Tour on using Tours" is broken - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43142  +comment (10Matthew Flaschen)
[22:26:06] <apergos>	 http://cgi.soic.indiana.edu/~kapadia/nymble/
[22:28:03] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Add a 'makeatour' tour that "Launch a Tour on using Tours" points to - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43142  summary (10Matthew Flaschen)
[22:28:03] <apergos>	 is that it renders checkuser useless (because one user no longer comes via one or a few ipaddresses)
[22:28:04] <apergos>	 which means that identifying sockpupppets because difficult to impossible
[22:28:04] <apergos>	 except by hping the person will slip up and edit from an account, or that they are kind enough to admit that they are a sock
[22:28:04] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Add a 'make_a_tour' tour that "Launch a Tour on using Tours" points to - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43142  summary (10Matthew Flaschen)
[22:29:56] <Platonides>	 apergos, no need to change the password
[22:30:16] <Platonides>	 if you get created an account by email, the account creator doesn't have a password for the account
[22:30:26] <apergos>	 what password?
[22:30:46] <apergos>	 oh sumanah 
[22:30:48] <apergos>	 but she's gone
[22:30:50] <Platonides>	 er.. that should have gone to sumana
[22:31:00] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Amire80; "(bug 42440) Fix button state when canceling" [mediawiki/extensions/UniversalLanguageSelector] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39152
[22:31:32] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Improper state reset for buttons in Display Settings - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42440   +patch-in-gerrit; +comment (10Amir E. Aharoni)
[22:31:48] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Tag edits made through Special:GettingStarted - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43191  +comment (10Steven Walling)
[22:32:05] <apergos>	 so tha means she didn't see my comments either
[22:32:06] <apergos>	 ah well
[22:32:17] <apergos>	 time to sleep then :-D
[22:32:53] * Platonides  agrees

[22:33:07] <Platonides>	 yet it's earlier for her than for us :P
[22:35:19] <Doyle>	 Where is the too many login attempts flag in the db?
[22:36:43] <Platonides>	 it's in the object cache
[22:41:24] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Mattflaschen; "If the CSS goes first, that will be fine (some elements will be hidden for two reasons)." [mediawiki/core] (master) C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39149
[22:42:04] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Schema namespace edits turn '/' into "\/" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43214 minor; MediaWiki extensions: EventLogging; ()
[22:43:20] <Susan>	 \o/
[22:50:46] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Karun; "(bug 43184) change so that when the script path is empty, we default to showing / as the path" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39153
[22:52:27] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Bogus script path shown on "entry point urls" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43184  +comment (10Karun)
[22:53:05] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Bogus script path shown on "entry point urls" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43184   +patch-in-gerrit (10Karun)
[22:53:58] <Doyle>	 can I unlock myself from teh db?
[22:54:27] <Doyle>	 I'm locked out of mediawiki...
[22:58:11] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Installer does not respect initial DBport declaration - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/28162  (10Karun)
[23:00:23] <hoo>	 damn git review :(
[23:01:05] <Doyle>	 Setting wgAutoblockExpiry to 0 does not unblock already blocked users...
[23:03:31] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Demon; "Functionally ok, but needs a bit of style cleanup." [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39153
[23:10:24] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Mediawiki Upload Error and Search not working in Oracle - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36726  +comment (10Jure Kajzer)
[23:11:12] <AaronSchulz>	 ^demon|away: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/38742/ :)
[23:13:42] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Karun; "(bug 43184) change so that when the script path is empty, we default to showing / as the path amended patch as per suggestions from Demon" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39153
[23:15:11] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Karun; "Ive changed this patch as suggested by Demon to only use one line." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39153
[23:20:12] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Hoo man; "(bug 42064) Fix onEditFilterMerged so it only accepts EditPage" [mediawiki/extensions/AbuseFilter] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/34900
[23:21:49] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) UserMerge enhancement: merging "Anonymous" user A to real user B - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/29188  +comment (10Dereckson)
[23:22:56] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Hashar; "Welcome back!  I have left a few comments in the diff for you to improve the patch. Keep up the good..." [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39153
[23:28:08] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Hoo man; "(bug 42064) Fix onEditFilterMerged so it only accepts EditPage" [mediawiki/extensions/AbuseFilter] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/34900
[23:28:38] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) VisualEditor: Fix "Uncaught TypeError: Cannot read property 'left' / call method 'getOuterLength'." - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43041  summary (10Krinkle)
[23:29:05] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Hoo man; "(bug 42064) Fix onEditFilterMerged so it only accepts EditPage" [mediawiki/extensions/AbuseFilter] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/34900
[23:29:34] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) WebM video served as text/plain - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43215 normal; Wikimedia: Media storage; ()
[23:29:40] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) VisualEditor: Fix "Uncaught TypeError: Cannot call method 'enable' of null " - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43216 normal; VisualEditor: General; ()
[23:29:49] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) VisualEditor: Fix "Uncaught TypeError: Cannot call method 'enable' of null " - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43216  (10Krinkle)
[23:30:11] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Karun; "(bug 43184) change so that when the script path is empty, we default to showing / as the path amended patch as per suggestions from Demon and removed typo" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39153
[23:30:25] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Hoo man; "Fixed FatalError, but still DON'T MERGE as EditFilterMergedContent isn't called on new page creation..." [mediawiki/extensions/AbuseFilter] (master); V: 0 C: -2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/34900
[23:30:29] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Raw $PAGEINTRO in email notifications - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42752  (10MZMcBride)
[23:30:50] <Susan>	 Gr.
[23:30:54] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Krinkle; "commit-msg." [mediawiki/extensions/AbuseFilter] (master); V: 0 C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/34900
[23:31:08] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Bugzilla e-mail notification text is too small (at least on Chrome and Firefox) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43217 normal; Wikimedia: Bugzilla; ()
[23:32:13] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) WebM video served as text/plain - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43215  +comment (10Ralph Giles)
[23:32:33] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Kaldari; "Adjust pref link if All Notifications link is not present" [mediawiki/extensions/Echo] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39150
[23:32:59] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Karun; "(bug 43184) change so that when the script path is empty, we default to showing / as the path amended patch as per suggestions from Demon and removed typo" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39153
[23:36:05] <Doyle>	 deleting the entries in objectcache did not remove the Login error
[23:36:05] <Doyle>	 You have made too many recent login attempts. Please wait before trying again
[23:36:34] <Susan>	 Have you tried waiting?
[23:36:45] <Doyle>	 how long? It's been over half an hour
[23:36:58] <Doyle>	 Some site I was reading said default was 24 hours
[23:37:05] <Susan>	 Heh.
[23:37:19] <Susan>	 I'm not sure objectcache is where that shit lingers.
[23:37:26] <Susan>	 I think it's usually in memcached or equivalent.
[23:37:28] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) rebuildrecentchanges.php should preserve rc_patrolled column - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/19466  +comment (10[[kgh]])
[23:37:29] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Hoo man; "Redundant with https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/34330 though the point seems valid." [mediawiki/extensions/AbuseFilter] (master); V: 0 C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/38894
[23:37:38] <Susan>	 Do you have memcached or similar set up on your site?
[23:37:50] <Susan>	 Presumably restarting it would solve the issue.
[23:37:54] <Doyle>	 nope, just an internal facing app
[23:39:02] <Susan>	 So you haven't set $wgMainCacheType in LocalSettings.php?
[23:40:03] <Doyle>	 CACHE_ACCEL
[23:40:11] <Susan>	 So you're using caching.
[23:40:28] <Susan>	 > CACHE_ACCEL - eAccelerator, mmTurck, APC or XCache, whichever is available
[23:40:50] <Susan>	 So my guess is that in one of those, it's caching your bad login attempt.
[23:41:22] <Doyle>	 hassel. which one...
[23:42:04] <Susan>	 You've tried a separate Web browser as well?
[23:42:09] <Susan>	 To rule out client-side caching and cookies?
[23:42:33] <^demon|away>	 Susan: fyi: It tries eAccel -> APC -> XCache in that order. We removed Turck ages ago, since it's abandonware.
[23:42:38] <Doyle>	 It's not clietn side
[23:42:59] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Hoo man; "Are you still interested in this fix?" [mediawiki/extensions/AbuseFilter] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/23933
[23:43:35] <^demon|away>	 Whoops, forgot we removed eaccel too.
[23:43:45] <^demon|away>	 It tries apc -> xcache -> wincache (windows only) in that order.
[23:44:24] <Doyle>	 I don't know anything about apc or xcache. Tehre are no processes running with those strings
[23:44:33] <Susan>	 ^demon|away: https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Manual:$wgMainCacheType&diff=617843&oldid=588271
[23:44:48] <^demon|away>	 Doyle: They wouldn't be, check your php config for any of the above.
[23:45:18] <Susan>	 Or try setting it CACHE_NONE temporarily.
[23:45:22] <Susan>	 To test whether it's cache.
[23:45:26] <Susan>	 Though I'd bet it is!
[23:45:42] * ^demon|away  goes back to his noms.

[23:45:53] <Susan>	 Food or nominations?
[23:46:14] <^demon|away>	 Food. Nominations for what?
[23:46:15] <^demon|away>	 :)
[23:46:35] <Susan>	 I"m sure I'm eligible for several prizes or awards currently.
[23:47:04] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Matmarex; "In principle, yes. In practice, no, unless it was solved properly in the meantime ? see https://bugz..." [mediawiki/core] (master) C: 1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39149
[23:47:05] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Mattflaschen; "(bug 16165) Use link for history compare button." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/38915
[23:47:29] <^demon|away>	 Susan: oh, here's the logic for apc -> xcache -> wincache https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/gitweb?p=mediawiki/core.git;a=blob;f=includes/objectcache/ObjectCache.php;h=e4af26291b5082db3aef5b54f98c94e8b1dd251a;hb=HEAD#l125
[23:48:02] <Susan>	 Tell the docs. ;-)
[23:48:11] <^demon|away>	 I saw your chance, and accepted it :)
[23:48:21] <MatmaRex>	 hey, gerrit-wm mangles Unicode as well.
[23:48:37] <Susan>	 Where?
[23:48:46] <MatmaRex>	 why cant we get irc bot not to fuck up encoding is beyond me.
[23:48:48] <MatmaRex>	 [00:47] <gerrit-wm> New review: Matmarex ....
[23:48:50] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Hoo man; "I'm not sure that would result in a good user interface (might look cluttered)." [mediawiki/extensions/AbuseFilter] (master); V: 0 C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/38716
[23:48:53] <MatmaRex>	 it has a ? in place of a –.
[23:48:53] <^demon|away>	 gerrit-wm has been mangling unicode for ages.
[23:49:07] <Doyle>	 Cache_none was good
[23:49:08] <Doyle>	 ty
[23:49:11] <^demon|away>	 If anyone feels like fixing it, it's in puppet. The logs show proper utf8 as they should (so it's the bot's fault)
[23:49:13] <Susan>	 Unicode is #𝕙𝕒𝕣𝕕.
[23:49:23] <gerrit-wm>	 Change abandoned: Alex Monk; "Oh right. See I4944ea61 instead then." [mediawiki/extensions/AbuseFilter] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/38894
[23:49:28] * marktraceur  now knows that ^demon|away thinks of 9 months as "ages". Good to know.

[23:49:35] <MatmaRex>	 and wikibugs randomly mangles the ń in my last name
[23:49:36] <Susan>	 Doyle: You'll like notice performance degradation by not using cache.
[23:49:41] <Susan>	 MediaWiki is slow.
[23:50:38] <Susan>	 I'm less concerned with Unicode handling than I am that wikibugs is totally fucked.
[23:51:42] <MatmaRex>	 ah, yes, this too.
[23:52:00] <MatmaRex>	 but both things seem related, it's only started doing that to me recently.
[23:52:22] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Hoo man; "Maybe the var could even be fully hidden in case the view counters are disabled (though that would s..." [mediawiki/extensions/AbuseFilter] (master); V: 0 C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/38731
[23:52:23] <Susan>	 I'm not sure how gerrit-wm works.
[23:53:19] <MatmaRex>	 it's worse than wikibugs
[23:53:43] <Susan>	 I don't believe that.
[23:53:49] <Susan>	 wikibugs is pretty bad.
[23:54:17] <Susan>	 Unless gerrit-wm is screen-scraping, I doubt it can be much worse than the Perl e-mail parsing nightmare that is wikibugs.
[23:54:36] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) WebM video served as text/plain - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43215  +comment (10Ralph Giles)
[23:55:25] <MatmaRex>	 what i went to read wikibugs's code recently, i could immediately understand what is going on.
[23:55:56] <MatmaRex>	 gerrit-wm is incredibly overengineered piece of badly written python code, unless something changed in last few months
[23:56:27] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Dereckson; "(bug 43219) SQLite schema compatibility" [mediawiki/extensions/CheckUser] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39159
[23:56:28] <MatmaRex>	 i couldn't believe you need that much crap to write an irc bot.
[23:56:36] <MatmaRex>	 alright, i'm off for now. good night.
[23:57:05] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Can't install CheckUser extension with SQLite - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37590   +patch-in-gerrit; +comment (10Dereckson)
[23:58:15] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Raw $PAGEINTRO in email notifications - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42752  04CRIT->minor; +comment (10MZMcBride)
[23:59:37] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Use <a> instead of <button> for "Compare selected versions" on HistoryAction - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/16165  +comment (10Matthew Flaschen)