[00:00:23] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Mattflaschen; "I don't agree that it's fugly.  It's using the vector button theme.  This theme may change in the fu..." [mediawiki/core] (master) C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/38915
[00:01:53] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Echo doesn't work on SQLite - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41987  +comment (10Dereckson)
[00:07:05] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Tag edits made through Special:GettingStarted - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43191  +comment (10Steven Walling)
[00:07:09] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) File pages broken in beta - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42741  (10Jon)
[00:07:22] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Style screen flash on watchlist - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43138  (10Arthur Richards)
[00:07:38] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Matmarex; "Replying." [mediawiki/core] (master) C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/38915
[00:10:46] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Enhance imagescaler processes containment - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43188  +comment (10Antoine "hashar" Musso)
[00:11:15] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) RTL hamburger menu badly styled - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42804   +i18n; +comment (10Jon)
[00:12:38] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Switching between desktop and mobile view should redirect to canonical URLs - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36182  (10Jon)
[00:14:42] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) RTL hamburger menu badly styled - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42804  +comment (10Arthur Richards)
[00:14:54] <AaronSchulz>	 lolwat
[00:15:04] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Bugzilla e-mail notification text is too small (at least on Chrome and Firefox) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43217  +comment (10Andre Klapper)
[00:15:39] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Problems upgrading some extensions under SQLite - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38235  +comment (10Dereckson)
[00:16:04] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Bugzilla e-mail notification text is too small (at least on Chrome and Firefox) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43217  +comment (10Andre Klapper)
[00:21:18] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Can't install FlaggedRevs extension with SQLite - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37921  +comment (10Dereckson)
[00:24:13] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: JGonera; "Add mobile target to modules needed for mw.msg()" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39162
[00:24:45] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Spage; "Avoid warnings and fix signal handling." [mediawiki/extensions/EventLogging] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39163
[00:25:08] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Raw $PAGEINTRO in email notifications - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42752  (10bsitu)
[00:25:25] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Tag edits made through Special:GettingStarted - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43191  +comment (10Terry Chay)
[00:25:28] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Schema namespace edits turn '/' into "\/" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43214  minor->15enhancement; +comment (10Steven Walling)
[00:27:45] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) PHP Notice: Undefined index: SERVER_PROTOCOL - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43218 trivial; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; ()
[00:28:15] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Show Notifications tab earlier in Preferences - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43219 normal; MediaWiki extensions: Echo; ()
[00:29:00] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) PHP Notice: Undefined index: SERVER_PROTOCOL - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43218  +comment (10Dereckson)
[00:29:25] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Enotifs with outdated enotif_body show unresolved variable $CHANGEDORCREATED with core versions since 26.11.2012 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42941  (10bsitu)
[00:30:30] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Show Notifications tab earlier in Preferences - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43219  (10Fabrice Florin)
[00:32:33] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Dereckson; "(bug 43218) Fixing PHP notice: undefined SERVER_PROTOCOL key" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39164
[00:32:40] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Tag edits made through Special:GettingStarted - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43191  +comment (10Terry Chay)
[00:33:20] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) PHP Notice: Undefined index: SERVER_PROTOCOL - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43218  +comment (10Dereckson)
[00:34:49] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Bugzilla e-mail notification text is too small (at least on Chrome and Firefox) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43217  (10mybugs.mail)
[00:35:38] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Special:GettingStarted grey text less readable - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43182  +comment (10Steven Walling)
[00:35:42] <Dereckson>	 Hello terrrydactyl.
[00:35:55] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Bugzilla e-mail notification text is too small (at least on Chrome and Firefox) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43217  (10mybugs.mail)
[00:36:34] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Special:GettingStarted should avoid jargon - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43183  +comment (10Steven Walling)
[00:37:39] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Special:GettingStarted: "How to help" box is outside the page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43181  (10Steven Walling)
[00:39:53] <AaronSchulz>	 ori-l: I like how the redis log has ascii art
[00:40:09] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Bugzilla e-mail notification text is too small (at least on Chrome and Firefox) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43217  (10mybugs.mail)
[00:40:13] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) prefix onboarding messages, support GENDER - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42849  +comment (10Steven Walling)
[00:40:22] <ori-l>	 AaronSchulz: that alone justifies migration from memcached
[00:43:29] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Bugzilla HTML email notification text is too small in Gmail (at least on Chrome and Firefox) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43217  summary; +comment (10Andre Klapper)
[00:44:47] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Allow global renaming of global users - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/14862  +comment (10Jyothis Edathoot)
[00:46:18] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Tag edits made through Special:GettingStarted - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43191  +comment (10Steven Walling)
[00:48:22] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Tag edits made through Special:GettingStarted - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43191  +comment (10Terry Chay)
[00:55:08] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Clicking hardware back button when 'hamburger menu' open - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42805  +comment (10Jon)
[00:58:11] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) MF beta language selector isn't closed by hitting browser/hardware 'back' button - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40904  +comment (10Jon)
[00:59:53] <Betacommand>	 what is Andre Klapper's IRC nick?
[00:59:57] <andre__>	 Betacommand, andre__
[01:00:19] <Betacommand>	 thought so, but doubted it could be that easy :P\
[01:01:00] <andre__>	 hehe
[01:01:05] <Betacommand>	 andre__: could I bribe you to have someone look into bug 43210
[01:01:15] <andre__>	 you can use /whois andre__ to see my fullname
[01:01:48] <andre__>	 Betacommand, you could try to bribe developers.
[01:02:02] <andre__>	 However, true wonders cost more ;)  (plus you just filed it)
[01:02:21] <andre__>	 so not sure if somebody is interested and volunteers to fix that
[01:02:32] <Betacommand>	 andre__: bribing the bugmister is just as effective :)
[01:02:45] <ori-l>	 unfortunately he only accepts payments in bugfixes
[01:03:38] * Betacommand  just wants a Boolean column added to the page table

[01:05:21] <andre__>	 Betacommand, I accept patches :)
[01:05:24] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) mw.notification Usability Improvements - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40307  +comment (10TMg)
[01:05:40] <andre__>	 ori-l knows me too well...
[01:05:45] <Betacommand>	 andre__: too bad MW isnt written in python
[01:06:15] <andre__>	 it's not that I'm good in PHP either, to be honest :P
[01:08:03] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Dereckson; "New methods to drop or rename extension index in DatabaseUpdater" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39169
[01:08:17] <Dereckson>	 Hello Betacommand.
[01:08:32] <Betacommand>	 Dereckson: hay
[01:09:18] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Can't install FlaggedRevs extension with SQLite - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37921  +comment (10Dereckson)
[01:11:16] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Mattflaschen; "(bug 16165) Use link for history compare button." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/38915
[01:11:19] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Dereckson; "Typo in the class documentation comment" [mediawiki/core] (master) C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39169
[01:11:28] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Aaron Schulz; "[JobQueue] Cleaned up DuplicateJob factory function." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39170
[01:11:52] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Alex Monk; "(bug 14862) WIP - Basic code behind global user renaming" [mediawiki/extensions/CentralAuth] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39171
[01:11:53] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Dereckson; "New methods to drop or rename extension index in DatabaseUpdater" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39169
[01:12:08] <Dereckson>	 Betacommand: I'm fixing a typo and I look your issue.
[01:12:09] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Mattflaschen; "I addressed Matmarex's remaining comments in patch set 7." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/38915
[01:12:18] <Betacommand>	 Dereckson: thanks
[01:12:35] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Allow global renaming of global users - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/14862  +comment (10Krenair)
[01:15:02] <Dereckson>	 Betacommand: er...
[01:15:27] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Use <a> instead of <button> for "Compare selected versions" on HistoryAction - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/16165  (10Matthew Flaschen)
[01:15:38] <Dereckson>	 We need to know for every wiki what's a disambiguation page first.
[01:16:13] <Dereckson>	 For example, on fr.wikipedia, this is a page from [[Catégorie:Homonymie]] or a subcategory.
[01:16:36] <Betacommand>	 Dereckson: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Disambiguationspage
[01:17:12] <Betacommand>	 that already does it :P\
[01:18:18] <Dereckson>	 The category isn't trustable?
[01:18:45] <Dereckson>	 I imagined [[Category:All_disambiguation_pages]] were the stuff to use.
[01:20:02] <Betacommand>	 Dereckson: most of the time the categories are populated via templates
[01:20:04] <Dereckson>	 I'm not going to work on this issue only for en. Especially because this is 5 years I've a need for two tools I wrote to be able to know *on any Wikipedia* if a page is a disambig.
[01:20:32] <Dereckson>	 So I would need the answer for every other wikis to write the maintenance script.
[01:20:32] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Mattflaschen; ""In practice, no" to what?" [mediawiki/core] (master) C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39149
[01:20:54] <Betacommand>	 Dereckson: http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Disambiguationspage
[01:21:15] <Betacommand>	 http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Disambiguationspage
[01:21:34] <Betacommand>	 http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Disambiguationspage
[01:21:41] <Dereckson>	 I don't care.
[01:21:44] <Betacommand>	 its a global page
[01:22:12] <Dereckson>	 Yes, thank you. But this is not helpful to list everyone of them.
[01:22:33] <Dereckson>	 The main issue is the templates solution isn't an elegant one.
[01:23:40] <Dereckson>	 To get the list of all pages transcluding a list of templates costs more in sql queries than to use categories.
[01:24:02] <Dereckson>	 On the large wikis you used as sample, this is a little annoying.
[01:25:27] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Aaron Schulz; "[JobQueue] Added a JobQueueRedis class." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39174
[01:25:41] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Tag edits made through Special:GettingStarted - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43191  +comment (10Max Semenik)
[01:25:44] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Aaron Schulz; "Still kinda WIP." [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: -2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39174
[01:25:44] <Dereckson>	 Betacommand: what would be more interesting is to have a list of wiki where http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Disambiguations works
[01:26:01] <Dereckson>	 because in this case we already have a working code to populate your new is_disambig field
[01:27:29] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Problems upgrading some extensions under SQLite - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38235  +comment (10Max Semenik)
[01:28:05] <Dereckson>	 Betacommand: maybe write a text asking to wikis to give us feedback and then ask a technical communication person (Guillom or qgil) to publish it?
[01:28:07] <Betacommand>	 Dereckson: I just checked 8-10 wmf wikis (large and small) all had that page working
[01:28:09] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) diff from a flagged version, an extra information requested - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/22846  (10Rob Lanphier)
[01:28:09] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Add class to FlaggedRevs extra messages in the protection form - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34525  (10Rob Lanphier)
[01:28:14] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Accepting comment in history - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31554  (10Rob Lanphier)
[01:28:14] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) FlaggedRevs not reviewing? - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38745  (10Rob Lanphier)
[01:28:19] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) API: add reviewed|!reviewed to rcshow and wlshow to filter for reviewed pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/32489  (10Rob Lanphier)
[01:28:19] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) History style cleanup - investigate possible fixes and detail the fixes - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/25296  (10Rob Lanphier)
[01:28:23] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) "sighted" term in review checkbox seems the wrong word - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38870  (10Rob Lanphier)
[01:28:24] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Pages with FlaggedRevisions protection set should give the latest-flagged version through search engine "API feeds" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41003  (10Rob Lanphier)
[01:28:29] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Improve Review Icon - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38942  (10Rob Lanphier)
[01:28:30] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Rejecting a page move does not undo the change made to the title. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/28476  (10Rob Lanphier)
[01:28:31] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Add a feature to indicate in [[Special:NewPages]] unreviewed changes. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41047  (10Rob Lanphier)
[01:28:34] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Special:ValidationStatistics uses align attribute (obsolete in HTML5) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40215  (10Rob Lanphier)
[01:28:34] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) FlaggedRevs depends on legacy JavaScript globals (wgFlaggedRevsParams is not defined) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41415  (10Rob Lanphier)
[01:28:38] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) review log misses a diff link for changed files (and templates) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33354  (10Rob Lanphier)
[01:28:41] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) FR uses deprecated attributes align and width on diff pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40211  (10Rob Lanphier)
[01:28:43] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Can't install FlaggedRevs extension with SQLite - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37921  (10Rob Lanphier)
[01:28:45] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Use ResourceLoader/mw.config for jsReviewNeedsChange - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34716  (10Rob Lanphier)
[01:28:49] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Make reviewed versions more visible - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/22243  (10Rob Lanphier)
[01:28:57] <marktraceur>	 robla: Busy night?
[01:29:11] <robla>	 bulk edit
[01:29:26] <robla>	 dropping myself from the cc line on many, many issues
[01:31:35] <ori-l>	 RESOLVED DONTCARE
[01:32:17] * AaronSchulz  hugs redis MULTI for handling output dependencies

[01:33:22] <Susan>	 Heh.
[01:33:37] * AaronSchulz  wishes VE was faster

[01:33:48] <Susan>	 robla: Hi.
[01:35:57] <Dereckson>	 Betacommand: I guess we have to communicate this change to the small wikis, a blog post would be the best way
[01:40:04] <robla>	 Hi Susan
[01:40:52] <Susan>	 robla: I was about to bother you about <https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=42752>, but I've now found someone to look into it, I hope.
[01:41:13] <Susan>	 That kind of thing seems fairly high priority to me. We're apparently sending out thousands of e-mails that are broken.
[01:41:17] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Impossible to install AbuseFilter with SQLite - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38371   +schema-change; +comment (10Dereckson)
[01:41:17] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) SQLite support (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/20257  (10Dereckson)
[01:41:18] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Mattflaschen; "Don't JSON-encode strings for HTML table." [mediawiki/extensions/EventLogging] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39175
[01:41:31] <Dereckson>	 MaxSem, andre__ > I'm planning to RESO INVALID https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=38235
[01:41:51] <Susan>	 robla: Anyway, I'm honestly not even sure this is your department, but it seemed kind of Platform-y, I guess.
[01:41:55] <Dereckson>	 This is a support request, not a bug report. Individual bug reports for individual extensions already exist.
[01:42:04] <andre__>	 Dereckson, +1
[01:42:10] <andre__>	 too vague to fix - support question
[01:42:11] <MaxSem>	 Dereckson, I don't mind, it lacks facts.
[01:42:29] <andre__>	 just explain why it's invalid and point to support desk or so
[01:42:31] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Schema namespace edits turn '/' into "\/" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43214  +comment (10Matthew Flaschen)
[01:42:39] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Schema namespace edits turn '/' into "\/" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43214  (10Matthew Flaschen)
[01:42:45] <Dereckson>	 Of course. I'm writing a kind reply.
[01:42:58] <andre__>	 yay :)
[01:50:22] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Bsitu; "Email copy update" [mediawiki/extensions/Echo] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39177
[01:50:26] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Problems upgrading some extensions under SQLite - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38235  +comment (10Dereckson)
[01:52:01] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Eloquence; "Confirmed that the licensing text matches the current one that's been shared with the legal departme..." [mediawiki/extensions/WikimediaMessages] (master); V: 0 C: 1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/38906
[01:52:36] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Bsitu; "Email copy update" [mediawiki/extensions/Echo] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39177
[01:56:01] <robla>	 Susan: who do you have looking into that one?
[01:56:37] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Tychay; "LGTM." [wikimedia/communications/WP-Victor] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/29831
[01:59:04] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Bsitu; "Email copy update" [mediawiki/extensions/PageTriage] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39178
[01:59:16] <Susan>	 robla: Ori was poking. Turns out it's probably easier to edit the affected MediaWiki page for now and add b/c code later.
[02:00:23] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Dereckson; "Would execute sql patch twice." [mediawiki/core] (master) C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39169
[02:01:18] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Tag edits made through Special:GettingStarted - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43191  +comment (10Matthew Flaschen)
[02:03:14] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Raw $PAGEINTRO in email notifications - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42752  +comment (10Ori Livneh)
[02:03:33] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Bsitu; "This depends on https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/39177/" [mediawiki/extensions/PageTriage] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39178
[02:10:06] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Raw $PAGEINTRO in email notifications - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42752  +comment (10MZMcBride)
[02:12:17] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Aaron Schulz; "[JobQueue] Added a JobQueueRedis class." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39174
[02:12:57] <Dereckson>	 Betacommand: would you be willing to prepare an announcement text?
[02:13:28] <Betacommand>	 Dereckson: Ill draft something up
[02:14:00] <Dereckson>	 Nice :) Thank you to help to have usable disambig stuff.
[02:29:51] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) GuidedTour should populate the MediaWiki namespace with sample tours automatically. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43143  (10Matthew Flaschen)
[02:37:24] <Betacommand>	 Dereckson: http://pastebin.com/WR79sqmM
[02:38:24] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Kaldari; "Reworking overlay for edge cases - no notifications, or too many to show at once." [mediawiki/extensions/Echo] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39150
[02:40:16] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Kaldari; "Reworking overlay for edge cases - no notifications, or too many to show at once." [mediawiki/extensions/Echo] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39150
[02:42:43] <Dereckson>	 Betacommand: good, break in two paragraphs (the last sentence being the second ¶) and add a call for action to ask to check the page and explain how to maintain it (e.g. every disambig page has to be tagged with a template on the list, no other page in (main) namespace could include it)
[02:43:32] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Bsitu; "(bug 42941 ) Add $CHANGEDORCREATED back for custom template" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39179
[02:43:43] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Kaldari; [mediawiki/extensions/Echo] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/38815
[02:46:17] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Raw $PAGEINTRO in email notifications - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42752  (10Ori Livneh)
[02:49:23] <Betacommand>	 Dereckson: http://pastebin.com/BQ4WzP7U
[02:49:53] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Raw $PAGEINTRO in email notifications - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42752  (10bsitu)
[02:50:04] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Kaldari; [mediawiki/extensions/Echo] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39177
[02:50:57] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Enotifs with outdated enotif_body show unresolved variable $CHANGEDORCREATED with core versions since 26.11.2012 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42941  (10bsitu)
[02:51:45] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Raw $PAGEINTRO in email notifications - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42752  +comment (10Aaron Schulz)
[03:09:58] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Bsitu; [mediawiki/extensions/Echo] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39150
[03:20:34] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) WebM video served as text/plain - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43215  (10MZMcBride)
[03:20:44] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Aaron Schulz; "[JobQueue] Added a JobQueueRedis class." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39174
[03:49:13] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Kaldari; "Strip out wikitext from edit summaries" [mediawiki/extensions/Echo] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39180
[03:53:16] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) mw:extension:Listings needs to be able to override defaults for listing format and parameters - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43220 normal; MediaWiki extensions: Listings; ()
[03:59:33] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) mw:extension:Listings needs to be able to override defaults for listing format and parameters - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43220  +comment (10Carl Austin Bennett)
[04:27:52] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) VisualEditor: For initial deployment, do not over-ride edit-section links - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43036  +comment (10Matthew Flaschen)
[04:58:52] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Post-page move redirects contain two newlines below redirect code - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42616  +comment (10MZMcBride)
[05:00:09] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Enable Semantic MediaWiki on WMF projects - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/8390  +comment (10badon)
[05:00:59] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Enable Semantic MediaWiki on WMF projects - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/8390  (10Matthew Bowker)
[05:21:06] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Santhosh; "Skip to next message functionality" [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39181
[05:31:14] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Kaldari; "Strip out wikitext from edit summaries" [mediawiki/extensions/Echo] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39180
[05:57:03] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Uncentered caption text in gallery image is page-left (rather than image-frame-left) justified - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43035  +comment (10Leonard G.)
[05:59:33] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Uncentered caption text in gallery image is page-left (rather than image-frame-left) justified - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43035  +comment (10Leonard G.)
[06:04:05] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Generated HTML from a centered <gallery> renders incorrectly justified in Firefox and IE, OK in Safari and Chrome - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43186  +comment (10Leonard G.)
[06:06:50] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Uncentered caption text in gallery image is page-left (rather than image-frame-left) justified - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43035  +comment (10Leonard G.)
[06:11:57] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Madman; "@MZMcBride: Not that I know of. It's just waiting for someone with +2 to wander by and take a look, ..." [mediawiki/core] (master) C: 1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/27134
[06:13:27] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) invalid XML response - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43221 critical; MediaWiki: API; ()
[06:17:43] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) invalid XML response - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43221  (10bianjiang)
[06:19:39] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) invalid XML response ("4::olduser", "5::newuser", "6::edits" appears as node attributes) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43221  summary (10bianjiang)
[06:41:51] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) UploadWizard doesn't highlight errors in "more info" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/32408  +comment (10Lupo)
[07:19:39] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Mattflaschen; "Fix remaining issues from the first GuidedTour code review." [mediawiki/extensions/GuidedTour] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39182
[07:20:21] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Santhosh; "Mark translations edited but not saved in the message list" [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39183
[07:20:39] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Mattflaschen; "Fix remaining issues from the first GuidedTour code review." [mediawiki/extensions/GuidedTour] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39182
[07:24:51] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Chunked upload fails with internal_api_error_UploadStashFileNotFoundException - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36587  (10Antoine "hashar" Musso)
[07:35:33] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Mattflaschen; "Fix remaining issues from the first GuidedTour code review." [mediawiki/extensions/GuidedTour] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39182
[08:18:17] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Review LaTeXML branch of Extension:Math for deployment - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43222 normal; MediaWiki extensions: Math; ()
[08:19:22] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Use ResourceLoaderFilePageModule to inject custom.css - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43223 normal; MediaWiki extensions: GuidedTour; ()
[08:19:50] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Use ResourceLoaderFilePageModule to inject custom.css - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43223  (10Matthew Flaschen)
[08:20:52] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Use ResourceLoaderWikiModule subclass to inject custom.css - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43223  summary (10Matthew Flaschen)
[08:22:24] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Review LaTeXML branch of Extension:Math for deployment - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43222  +comment (10Ori Livneh)
[08:24:02] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Nikerabbit; "Ok for now." [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master); V: 0 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39077
[08:25:42] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: jenkins-bot; [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39077
[08:29:13] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Loading indefinitely when cookies are disabled - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43193  +comment (10Roan Kattouw)
[08:30:26] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Loading indefinitely when cookies are disabled - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43193  +comment (10Roan Kattouw)
[08:32:27] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Mattflaschen; "Document ResourceLoaderWikiModule::getPages." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39184
[08:32:34] <harshkothari>	 yuvipanda: Hello
[08:33:49] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Mattflaschen; "Document ResourceLoaderWikiModule::getPages." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39184
[08:34:24] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Rotsee; "Add property for user's real name (fixed intentation, variable names)" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticExtraSpecialProperties] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39041
[08:34:46] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Review LaTeXML branch of Extension:Math for deployment - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43222  +comment (10Ori Livneh)
[08:35:10] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Mattflaschen; "Document ResourceLoaderWikiModule::getPages." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39184
[08:36:29] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) VisualEditor: Fly-out wikitext editor for alienated content - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43133  +comment (10Roan Kattouw)
[08:37:38] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Review LaTeXML branch of Extension:Math for deployment - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43222  (10Legoktm)
[08:40:34] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Review LaTeXML branch of Extension:Math for deployment - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43222  (10Ori Livneh)
[08:45:05] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: jenkins-bot; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39184
[08:49:48] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Siebrand; "Reviewed L10n. There are some issues with parameter documentation and the wording appears as it may ..." [mediawiki/extensions/PageTriage] (master); V: 0 C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39178
[08:52:21] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Can't save non-default content model with $wgContentHandlerUseDB disabled: model is wikitext , default for EtherpadLite:Pad.modals.initsocketfail.cause/fr is text - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42291  (10Niklas Laxström)
[08:52:21] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Bugs affecting translatewiki.net (errors from MediaWiki master) (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39480  (10Niklas Laxström)
[08:53:51] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Alphabetic operation logic of sort order function for numeric data in tables in russian language - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43165  +comment (10Michael M.)
[08:55:11] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Raw $PAGEINTRO in email notifications - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42752  +comment (10Nemo)
[08:55:25] <harshkothari>	 sucheta: Hello
[08:57:07] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Hoo man; "Are you still into this?" [mediawiki/extensions/CentralAuth] (master); V: 0 C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/7300
[08:57:25] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Exception: Non-string key given - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43224 normal; MediaWiki extensions: CreditsSource; ()
[08:58:29] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Hoo man; "Are you still into this?" [mediawiki/extensions/CentralAuth] (master); V: 0 C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/7274
[08:58:50] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) ShortUrls giving 404 unless force reloading page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38952  +comment (10Yuvi Panda)
[08:59:06] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Serve tour using module - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43225 normal; MediaWiki extensions: GuidedTour; ()
[08:59:34] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Move the ShortURL to a better place than right under the title - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41252  summary (10Yuvi Panda)
[08:59:38] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Siebrand; "Needs rebase, doesn't merge cleanly." [mediawiki/core] (master); V: -1 C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16848
[08:59:49] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Loading indefinitely when cookies are disabled - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43193  (10turb)
[08:59:50] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Serve tour using module - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43225  (10Matthew Flaschen)
[08:59:51] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) GuidedTour should populate the MediaWiki namespace with sample tours automatically. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43143  (10Matthew Flaschen)
[09:00:20] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Post-page move redirects contain two newlines below redirect code - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42616  (10Richard Guk)
[09:01:16] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Restore functioning of $CHANGEDORCREATED for backward compatibility of outdated enotif_body - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42941   +patch-in-gerrit; summary; +comment (10Nemo)
[09:01:56] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Restore functioning of $CHANGEDORCREATED for backward compatibility of outdated enotif_body - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42941  normal->15enhancement (10Nemo)
[09:02:50] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: MaxSem; "Throw away everything not needed per our current requirements" [mediawiki/extensions/PageImages] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39076
[09:03:47] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: MaxSem; "Minor API output format tweak." [mediawiki/extensions/PageImages] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39076
[09:03:51] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Nemo bis; "Follow-up I7d9fd90519a68dd66f99479a7c92f6c664485a9c adds $CHANGEDORCREATED back." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/7986
[09:05:15] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Siebrand; "Added Aaron as review because of job queue usage." [mediawiki/extensions/CentralAuth] (master); V: 0 C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39171
[09:07:11] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Nemo bis; "For once, I think it's better to reuse the old keys instead of adding new messages, given that it's ..." [mediawiki/core] (master) C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39179
[09:08:29] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Hoo man; "Thanks for the patch :)" [mediawiki/extensions/CentralAuth] (master); V: 1 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39023
[09:08:29] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Hoo man; [mediawiki/extensions/CentralAuth] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39023
[09:08:45] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Loading indefinitely when cookies are disabled - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43193  (10turb)
[09:14:59] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Ori.livneh; [mediawiki/extensions/EventLogging] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/38126
[09:17:56] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Ori.livneh; [mediawiki/extensions/EventLogging] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39163
[09:22:01] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Nikerabbit; "Simplify ExportToFileMessagesTask::output" [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39185
[09:22:31] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Restore functioning of $CHANGEDORCREATED for backward compatibility of outdated enotif_body - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42941  +comment (10T. Gries)
[09:26:32] <theKaramanukian>	 I want to trigger a php file to run when my users save a page they've just edited. Does anyone know of a way to do this?
[09:26:58] <Nikerabbit>	 theKaramanukian: you need to use what we call hooks
[09:27:16] <Nikerabbit>	 theKaramanukian: see for example docs/hooks.txt in the mediawiki code
[09:27:35] <Nikerabbit>	 ArticleSaveComplete could be a suitable hook for you
[09:30:42] <theKaramanukian>	 cool. 
[09:33:01] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Separate out externals so we can collaborate with the community - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43226 normal; MediaWiki extensions: GuidedTour; ()
[09:33:01] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Nikerabbit; "Removing action=translate from groupselector" [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39186
[09:33:28] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Separate out externals so we can collaborate with the community - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43226  (10Matthew Flaschen)
[09:35:14] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Outright remove of duplicate short URL under title - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41252  summary; +comment (10Nemo)
[09:36:51] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Outright remove of duplicate short URL under title - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41252  +comment (10Yuvi Panda)
[09:36:53] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Put the shorturl in a better place: current design is extremely ugly and confusing - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38863  +comment (10Yuvi Panda)
[09:37:16] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Mattflaschen; "I'm going to rebase this after I do the submodule setup for bug 43226." [mediawiki/extensions/GuidedTour] (master) C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39182
[09:39:17] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Special:GlobalUsers for a right on Meta does not show the user's other global rights - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/26427  +comment (10Marius Hoch)
[09:39:55] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Mattflaschen; "I know it's a bit of a pain, but I'd like to separate our Guiders CSS from the baseline Guiders CSS ..." [mediawiki/extensions/GuidedTour] (master) C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39074
[09:42:06] <harshkothari>	 sucheta: there?
[09:43:09] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) NetworkAuth: Security: Bad IP range recognition - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38117  +comment (10Tim Laqua)
[09:46:52] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Navigation/Toolbox side panel is not collapsible - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43227 normal; MediaWiki: Interface; ()
[09:47:48] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Santhosh; "Save translations" [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39187
[09:47:48] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Santhosh; "Mark translations edited but not saved in the message list" [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39183
[09:47:48] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Santhosh; "Skip to next message functionality" [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39181
[09:49:51] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Navigation/Toolbox side panel is not collapsible - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43227   +javascript (10Andreas Plank)
[09:50:08] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Mattflaschen; "The inline comments explain my progress on https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/39182/" [mediawiki/extensions/GuidedTour] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/35399
[09:53:13] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) order of controls wrong - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43201  +comment (10Jan Gerber)
[09:53:24] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Outright remove of duplicate short URL under title - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41252  (10Nemo)
[09:53:53] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Outright remove of duplicate short URL under title - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41252  +comment (10Nemo)
[09:54:46] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Outright remove of duplicate short URL under title - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41252  +comment (10Yuvi Panda)
[09:56:44] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Login with temporarly new password fails when extension PasswordReset is installed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/16673  (10Tim Laqua)
[09:56:58] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Login with temporarly new password fails when extension PasswordReset is installed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/16673  (10Tim Laqua)
[10:08:03] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: J; "bug 43101 output source bitrate order and with type attribute." [mediawiki/extensions/TimedMediaHandler] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/38665
[10:15:39] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Raw $PAGEINTRO in email notifications - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42752  +comment (10Andre Klapper)
[10:17:50] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Raw $PAGEINTRO in email notifications - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42752  (10Andre Klapper)
[10:24:06] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Add e-mail capability to the AbuseFilter extension - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/25595  (10Legoktm)
[10:28:54] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Raw $PAGEINTRO in email notifications - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42752  minor->04CRIT; +comment (10Nemo)
[10:30:14] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Have emails go through the AbuseFilter - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43228 enhancement; MediaWiki extensions: AbuseFilter; ()
[10:30:16] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Add e-mail capability to the AbuseFilter extension - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/25595  (10Oliver Hood)
[10:34:47] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Sites resource loader module's cache should be invalidated when site config changes - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40655   +need-volunteer (10denny vrandecic)
[10:34:55] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Have emails go through the AbuseFilter - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43228  (10Oliver Hood)
[10:36:24] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Have emails go through the AbuseFilter - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43228  (10Oliver Hood)
[10:36:26] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Add e-mail capability to the AbuseFilter extension - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/25595  (10Oliver Hood)
[10:45:03] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Navigation/Toolbox side panel is not collapsible - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43227  +comment (10Andre Klapper)
[10:47:27] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Uncentered caption text in gallery image is page-left (rather than image-frame-left) justified - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43035  +comment (10Andre Klapper)
[10:47:50] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Review LaTeXML branch of Extension:Math for deployment - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43222  (10Andre Klapper)
[10:47:55] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Extensions awaiting code review to be deployed on Wikimedia wikis (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31235  (10Andre Klapper)
[10:49:03] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) More AFTv5 abuse filters - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42284  +comment (10Legoktm)
[10:49:48] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) invalid XML response ("4::olduser", "5::newuser", "6::edits" appears as node attributes) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43221  (10Andre Klapper)
[10:50:31] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Exception: Non-string key given in MessageCache.php - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43224  normal->major; summary (10Andre Klapper)
[10:51:53] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) No option to move over an existing non-redirect page in the API - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42886  +comment (10Legoktm)
[10:52:19] <yuvipanda>	 hmmm
[10:52:25] <yuvipanda>	 no working FUSE implementation for mediawiki
[10:52:27] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Allow oversighters to turn off email - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/21808  normal->15enhancement (10Nemo)
[10:53:10] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) rebuildrecentchanges.php should preserve rc_patrolled column - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/19466  (10Andre Klapper)
[10:54:04] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) mw:extension:Listings needs to be able to override defaults for listing format and parameters - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43220   +patch +patch-need-review; +comment (10Andre Klapper)
[10:55:09] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) [statements-ui] links to items broken - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43001  (10tobias.gritschacher)
[11:04:54] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) More control over rate of user to user email sending (dynamical emailuser throttle or RateLimits) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/7518  summary; +comment (10Nemo)
[11:05:00] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Allow oversighters to turn off email - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/21808  (10Nemo)
[11:09:11] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Ability to block users from uploading files or EmailUser only - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/4995  summary (10Nemo)
[11:09:13] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Flag to prevent blocked users from sending email via Special:Emailuser - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/7997  (10Nemo)
[11:09:25] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) More control over rate of user to user email sending (dynamical emailuser throttle or RateLimits) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/7518  +comment (10Legoktm)
[11:10:13] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) VisualEditor: For initial deployment, do not over-ride edit-section links - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43036  +comment (10James Forrester)
[11:13:27] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) VisualEditor: Some elements not alienated - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43076  (10James Forrester)
[11:14:31] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Allow oversighters to turn off email - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/21808  +comment (10Nemo)
[11:14:37] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Ability to block users from uploading files or EmailUser only - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/4995  (10Nemo)
[11:15:16] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Have emails go through the AbuseFilter - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43228  (10Nemo)
[11:15:19] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Allow oversighters to turn off email - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/21808  (10Nemo)
[11:15:24] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Ability to block users from uploading files or EmailUser only - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/4995  (10Nemo)
[11:15:37] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Navigation/Toolbox side panel is not collapsible - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43227  +comment (10Gregor Hagedorn)
[11:22:11] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) More control over rate of user to user email sending (dynamical emailuser throttle or RateLimits) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/7518  +comment (10Nemo)
[11:24:24] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Not well-suited for Wiktionary's audio samples: 2nd file not playing, useless "Timed text" button, big image shown after file finishes - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41908  +comment (10Jan Gerber)
[11:25:08] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Navigation/Toolbox side panel is not collapsible - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43227  +comment (10Andre Klapper)
[11:32:22] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Raw $PAGEINTRO in email notifications - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42752  +comment (10TMg)
[11:41:33] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) WikipageEntityLookup fails on setups that have a table prefix - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43229 critical; MediaWiki extensions: WikidataClient; ()
[11:41:43] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) WikipageEntityLookup fails on setups that have a table prefix - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43229  04CRIT->04BLOCKER (10Jeroen De Dauw)
[11:42:01] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Autocategorization by UploadWizard makes [[:commons:Category:Uploaded with UploadWizard]] uselessly large - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42548  +comment (10Erik Zachte)
[11:42:08] <Denny_WMDE2>	 i know about hooks in php, but is there a hook system in the JavaScript of MediaWiki?
[11:53:37] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) File is screwed up badly - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43230 enhancement; Wikimedia: Media storage; ()
[11:57:48] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) File is screwed up badly - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43230  +comment (10Marco)
[12:01:16] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Santhosh; "Limit the listing of suggestions" [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39192
[12:02:11] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Autocategorization by UploadWizard makes [[:commons:Category:Uploaded with UploadWizard]] uselessly large - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42548  +comment (10Rainer Rillke @commons.wikimedia)
[12:02:30] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Autocategorization by UploadWizard makes [[:commons:Category:Uploaded with UploadWizard]] uselessly large - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42548  (10Rainer Rillke @commons.wikimedia)
[12:14:10] <legoktm>	 MaxSem: if you're not busy, would you mind reviewing a WIP patch i'm working on for the abusefilter?
[12:24:50] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Santhosh; "Use single click to open translation editor" [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39193
[12:43:40] <jacobat>	 Hello all. I've been tasked with figuring out why the wysiwyg editor does not work on a mediawiki installation after it was upgraded sometime this autumn. I'm suspecting it might be due to a custom skin. Anyone know where I should start digging?
[12:57:52] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) wbcreateclaim overwrites existing claims when revision ID is used - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43200  +comment (10Jeroen De Dauw)
[12:59:11] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Amire80; "Skip to next message functionality" [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39181
[13:08:53] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Amire80; [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39181
[13:14:54] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Specific file on Commons cannot be deleted anymore by admins - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43230  15enhancement->minor; summary; +comment (10Andre Klapper)
[13:18:07] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) wbcreateclaim overwrites existing claims when revision ID is used - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43200  +comment (10Jeroen De Dauw)
[13:18:39] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) EbtityDiff must include claims - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43021  summary (10Jeroen De Dauw)
[13:19:38] <Jarry1250>	 jacobat: To which editor do you refer?
[13:20:11] <jacobat>	 Jarry1250: WikiEditor I think - I haven't worked with mediawiki befor...
[13:22:34] <Jarry1250>	 jacobat: You mean https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/File:VectorEditorBasic-en.png (ignore the filename) ? Or something else?
[13:22:55] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Amire80; "Mark translations edited but not saved in the message list" [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39183
[13:23:13] <jacobat>	 Jarry1250: Yes
[13:24:20] <Jarry1250>	 jacobat: Okay, well if you add &useskin=vector to the edit page URL, does it start working?
[13:24:27] <jacobat>	 It does
[13:24:53] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Hashar; "Superseded by https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/38794/" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/38155
[13:25:12] <Jarry1250>	 jacobat: Okay, so definitely to do with your skin. Is this a public wiki?
[13:25:13] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Hashar; "Replaced https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/38155/" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/38794
[13:25:34] <jacobat>	 Jarry1250: It's available here: http://www.helsingorleksikon.dk
[13:26:42] <Jarry1250>	 jacobat: Is it easy for me to register to edit so I can play around with it?
[13:26:53] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Amire80; "Mark translations edited but not saved in the message list" [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39183
[13:28:29] <jacobat>	 Jarry1250: No, it is not :(
[13:29:16] <Jarry1250>	 jacobat: Mmm, fair enough. Do you get JavaScript errors using your custom skin?
[13:29:30] <jacobat>	 Jarry1250: Yes: mw is not defined 
[13:29:37] <jacobat>	 wikibits.js:118
[13:30:10] <Jarry1250>	 If you attach &debug=true to the URL, do you get the same error?
[13:30:33] <jacobat>	 Yes
[13:30:41] <jacobat>	 Hold on
[13:31:04] <jacobat>	 Yes, I do
[13:31:17] <jacobat>	 I also get:  getMarker> No <meta name="ResourceLoaderDynamicStyles"> found, inserting dynamically.
[13:31:20] <jacobat>	 In the JS console
[13:32:44] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Autocategorization by UploadWizard makes [[:commons:Category:Uploaded with UploadWizard]] uselessly large - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42548  +comment (10Andre Klapper)
[13:33:44] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Pginer; "CSS styling for message editor" [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39197
[13:34:35] <Jarry1250>	 jacobat: Hmm, what version were you using before the upgrade?
[13:35:27] <jacobat>	 Jarry1250: I don't know - the people who did the original installation and skin left and now I'm here
[13:36:11] <jacobat>	 There's an old RELEASE_NOTES files back from 1.11.0
[13:36:43] <Qcoder00>	 http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Page:Cinque_Ports_Act_1821%28ukpga_18210076_en%29.pdf/6 - The section number should have the text continuing on the same line.. apparently adding a title further down casuses it to break
[13:37:12] <Qcoder00>	 Can someone please SANITY check the code on that page, baceuse I am tried of playing hunt the queirk every single time I make attempts to fix something
[13:37:14] <Qcoder00>	 !"
[13:37:14] <wm-bot>	 There is no such key, you probably want to try: !$wgserver, !?>, !@, !bellthecat, !charinsert, !colon, !copying, !createandpromote, !csshideheader, !doesntwork, !downgrade, !emailconfirmed, !errors, !exclamation, !export, !externaleditor, !fail, !fileurl, !firebug, !fu, !gitrepo, !hidetoc, !installlinux, !itsalwaysbugzilla, !lazy, !logo, !mainpage, !mw-config, !parserfunctions, !passthru, !plainlinks, !protocols, !refresh, !rollback, !ruby, !sandbox, !sorttable, !t_paamayim_nekudotayim, !toc, !transclusion, !ts, !webrequest, !wiki, !wikipedia, !wip, !wptemplates, 
[13:37:29] <Jarry1250>	 jacobat: Fair enough. Do you notice other problems? I'm thinking this is an incompatibility between your custom skin and the ResourceLoader, it's not my area of expertise unfortunately. Krinkle might know, but he's not here at the moment.
[13:37:40] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Create a script to create all irc channels quickly - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/19244  normal->15enhancement (10Andre Klapper)
[13:37:56] <jacobat>	 Jarry1250: No, I've just been pulled into this to fix it
[13:38:19] <jacobat>	 Jarry1250: Thanks a lot for your help, I think resource loader might be the issue somehow - it's a recent addition I understand?
[13:38:45] <Jarry1250>	 jacobat: Well, like 2 years ago.
[13:38:48] <Jarry1250>	 :)
[13:38:52] <jacobat>	 Hehe
[13:40:11] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Amire80; "Mark translations edited but not saved in the message list" [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39183
[13:41:19] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Santhosh; "CSS styling for message editor" [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39197
[13:41:45] <Jarry1250>	 jacobat: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/mediawiki/279502 seems to indicate that I'm vaguely correct, although no specific solution was suggested there
[13:41:51] <Qcoder00>	 Anyone?
[13:41:56] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Santhosh; [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39197
[13:43:08] <Jarry1250>	 jacobat: If you have a /skins/NameOfYourSkin.php file, it might be worth pastebinning it, since that's probably what will need fixing
[13:43:21] <Jarry1250>	 (It doesn't usually contain private info, but...)
[13:43:23] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) PHP Notice: Undefined index: SERVER_PROTOCOL - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43218  (10Andre Klapper)
[13:43:47] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) $wgDefaultUserOptions['date'] = 'dmyts' causes MWException error when accessing settings - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42355  +comment (10Florian Effenberger)
[13:47:45] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Loading of Edit Page occasionally incomplete on ml.wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41802  +comment (10Andre Klapper)
[13:47:50] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Amire80; "Mark translations edited but not saved in the message list" [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39183
[13:48:21] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Please upload a video file to Wikimedia Commons 1.81 GB - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41823  +comment (10Andre Klapper)
[13:49:07] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Make autologin icons have the same size - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41488  normal->minor (10Andre Klapper)
[13:49:28] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Kill prototype.wikimedia.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41433  (10Andre Klapper)
[13:49:29] <jacobat>	 Jarry1250: https://gist.github.com/b315a230e5fa062349f0
[13:50:20] <Qcoder00>	 Anyone?
[13:50:39] <Qcoder00>	 Once again my query seems to have been ignored, Typical
[13:50:49] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Dynamic charts/graphs (JavaScript implementation) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39555  (10Andre Klapper)
[13:51:19] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Loading of Edit Page occasionally incomplete on ml.wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41802  +comment (10Raziman T V)
[13:51:59] <Jarry1250>	 Qcoder00: "Ignored" seems very strong
[13:53:02] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Install extension Pchart4mw on en.wikipedia.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/29806  +comment (10Andre Klapper)
[13:53:09] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Dynamic charts/graphs in Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39554  (10Andre Klapper)
[13:53:17] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Amire80; [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39183
[13:53:24] <^demon>	 Qcoder00: I fixed it: http://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Page%3ACinque_Ports_Act_1821%28ukpga_18210076_en%29.pdf%2F6&diff=4181708&oldid=4181696
[13:53:31] <Jarry1250>	 jacobat: If you compare with the current advice (e.g. skins/Vector.php), there's quite a few differences. I particularly note that your custom skin defines the whole page, whereas
[13:53:43] <Jarry1250>	 e.g. Vector only defines <body> content
[13:54:27] <jacobat>	 Jarry1250: I'm thinking the easier way forward is probably to build the skin again
[13:55:32] <Jarry1250>	 jacobat: I think so. I've done it myself once or twice; copying Vector and modifying seems to be the easiest.
[13:55:53] <jacobat>	 Alright, thanks a lot
[13:59:21] <Qcoder00>	 ^demon: No that didn't actually fix it
[13:59:34] <Qcoder00>	 It made the symptomn vanish
[13:59:43] <Qcoder00>	 It did NOT fix the underlying problem
[14:00:35] <^demon>	 Oh well, I tried.
[14:00:41] <Qcoder00>	 I know
[14:01:12] <sumanah>	 hi andre__ 
[14:01:25] <andre__>	 sumanah, heja
[14:01:30] <andre__>	 morning :)
[14:01:45] <sumanah>	 Evening :-)
[14:01:53] <sumanah>	 well, afternoon
[14:01:57] <Qcoder00>	 As I said last night I am getting VERY fed up playing hunt the qurik evry time I would like to get a consistent behaviour out of templates I design
[14:02:27] <sumanah>	 Qcoder00: yep, that must be very frustrating
[14:02:27] <Qcoder00>	 I am getting to the point where I am wondering wqhat the point is in continuing , because of glitches, quirks and (possible bugs) in the code
[14:02:37] <andre__>	 sumanah: weekly hangout? Though it feels like I have nothing new to say since Friday :)
[14:02:44] <sumanah>	 andre__: :-) I have Invited you
[14:02:54] <andre__>	 sumanah, hah. mid-air collision I guess then
[14:03:03] <Qcoder00>	 sumanah: Can you actually tell me why one version works and the other doesn't>
[14:03:04] <Qcoder00>	 ?
[14:03:24] <Qcoder00>	 The markup generated should be identical 
[14:03:38] <Qcoder00>	 It clearly isn't otherwise there wouldn't be a formatting issue
[14:05:10] <sumanah>	 Qcoder00: so, I don't know enough about our templates & our formatting to be able to help you, sadly.  I do know that the new Parsoid parser and the Lua templating system are (hopefully) going to help
[14:05:50] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) WikipageEntityLookup fails on setups that have a table prefix - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43229  (10Andre Klapper)
[14:11:28] <Qcoder00>	 sumanah: if you can't actually fix the template , hold your toungwe
[14:11:43] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Create a script to create all irc channels quickly - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/19244  +comment (10Platonides)
[14:11:44] <sumanah>	 Qcoder00: We don't talk like that in here.
[14:12:46] <Qcoder00>	 Sorry, but as I said I am fed up with havcing to work around obscure quirks in the parser
[14:13:02] <Qcoder00>	 It would be much better in my view if paragrpah breaks were explicitly marked
[14:13:41] <Qcoder00>	 (and parsed)
[14:14:00] <Qcoder00>	 This would resolve the issue of what is or isn't a 'break' for good
[14:14:20] <Qcoder00>	 And solve the problem of templates beahving inconsistently in parsing them
[14:16:21] <sumanah>	 Qcoder00: ok, maybe you could make that suggestion in a bugzilla bug or on the wikitext-l list where people discuss the parser?
[14:16:33] <Qcoder00>	 I will consider it
[14:16:36] <sumanah>	 Thanks
[14:16:41] <Qcoder00>	 Once my current template issue is fixed
[14:17:32] <Qcoder00>	 I have thoughts that it's generating line-breaks in the 'wrong'location, but I can't at present figure out HOW to get it to behave consistently
[14:17:42] <Qcoder00>	 And I've tried various approaches...
[14:18:15] <Qcoder00>	 When you've spent 3 days trying to get something to work, you need someone else to fix it 
[14:20:24] <sumanah>	 Qcoder00: ok. So, my suggestions: write up a "what in the world is going on here" summary/question to wikitext-l; or ask the template wizards at English Wikipedia
[14:20:49] <Qcoder00>	 I decided to take a look at the underlying code
[14:21:08] <Qcoder00>	 The template used is correctly generating the paragraph breaks...
[14:21:56] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Hashar; "recheck" [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/33980
[14:22:00] <Qcoder00>	 but on the split version it's NOT generating a paragraph for the text 'outside'  which is causing the parser to misunderstand that the text needs to be grouped with the section number
[14:22:40] <Qcoder00>	 I think I now how to solve this :)
[14:25:31] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Create Bugzilla component for GeoCrumbs extension - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43197  (10Quim Gil)
[14:26:36] <Qcoder00>	 And sadly it means that contnued paragrpahs don't seem to be possible to code straightforwardly within the scope of Mediawiki's current limitations
[14:27:43] <Qcoder00>	 Which means I am back to having to code each section seperately thus defeating the whole purpose of having a 'paged' extension in the first place :(
[14:27:54] <Qcoder00>	 Congratualtions
[14:31:48] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Siebrand; "Save translations" [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39187
[14:32:53] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Siebrand; "Limit the listing of suggestions" [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39192
[14:33:26] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: jenkins-bot; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39027
[14:34:15] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: jenkins-bot; [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39187
[14:34:55] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Hashar; "You want to remove the old pear channel for symfony v1:" [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/38814
[14:36:06] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Siebrand; "Removing action=translate from groupselector" [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39186
[14:36:55] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Siebrand; "Simplify ExportToFileMessagesTask::output" [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39185
[14:37:40] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: jenkins-bot; [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39192
[14:38:01] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Demon; "Adjust l10n-bot autoreview to use verified+2" [translatewiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39204
[14:39:02] <sumanah>	 thanks andre__ 
[14:39:08] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: jenkins-bot; [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39186
[14:39:11] <andre__>	 cheerio :)
[14:39:40] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Siebrand; "scripts/ttmserver-export.php seems to contain changes that are not related to the search changes; if..." [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master); V: 0 C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39079
[14:40:16] <Qcoder00>	 sumanah:  Thanks
[14:40:25] <sumanah>	 Glad to help, Qcoder00 
[14:40:27] <Qcoder00>	 You helped me figure out what was wrong :)
[14:40:36] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: jenkins-bot; [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39185
[14:40:39] <Qcoder00>	 It was down to paragrpahs being in the worng locations
[14:40:49] <Qcoder00>	 which was confusing the parser
[14:40:50] * sumanah  is glad she didn't "hold her tongue" :-)

[14:41:01] <Qcoder00>	 Oh you are female?
[14:41:04] <sumanah>	 Yes
[14:41:05] * Qcoder00  goes bright res

[14:41:07] <sumanah>	 You aren't?
[14:41:09] <Qcoder00>	 LOL
[14:42:05] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Siebrand; [translatewiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39204
[14:42:38] <sumanah>	 Lydia_WMDE: hey, how's it going? got a moment?
[14:42:44] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Siebrand; "Per Niklas." [translatewiki] (master); V: 0 C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/30739
[14:42:57] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Siebrand; "Use single click to open translation editor" [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39193
[14:43:00] <sumanah>	 I just saw https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikidata/Development/Representing_values and was wondering whether Wikidata folks feel like they've gotten enough feedback on it yet
[14:43:02] <Lydia_WMDE>	 sumanah: hey - good - yes
[14:43:09] <sumanah>	 or whether you'd like some more outreach on that
[14:43:21] <Qcoder00>	 sumanah: Do you know any typist's?
[14:43:26] <Lydia_WMDE>	 if you have some more places to post it that'd be good i think
[14:43:39] <Qcoder00>	 That can do around 80wpm of higher?
[14:43:47] <sumanah>	 Qcoder00: What do you mean? I type perfectly fine. I know no one who is a professional typist. I know a stenographer who works with the deaf, though
[14:44:08] <sumanah>	 Let's see, I think I've clocked 80 WPM on a good day, I could be wrong though
[14:44:23] <Qcoder00>	 Would you feel confident in typing from audio?
[14:44:40] <sumanah>	 With like 90-95% accuracy. What level of accuracy would you seek?
[14:44:46] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: jenkins-bot; [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39193
[14:44:59] <Qcoder00>	 sumanah: Let's move this chat to #wikisource
[14:45:06] <sumanah>	 Qcoder00: My friend who's a stenographer goes hundreds of words per minute - see http://stenoknight.com/FAQ.html#cartname
[14:45:19] <sumanah>	 okay
[14:45:39] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Dereckson; "(bug 43218) Fixing PHP notice: undefined SERVER_PROTOCOL key" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39164
[14:48:50] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Siebrand; [mediawiki/extensions/CleanChanges] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/38498
[14:49:03] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Siebrand; "Fix JSHint issues" [mediawiki/extensions/CleanChanges] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/38499
[14:49:34] <sumanah>	 Lydia_WMDE: ok, willdo
[14:49:46] <Lydia_WMDE>	 sumanah: thx :)
[14:49:56] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Make AbuseFilter aware of Wikibase content models. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42064  +comment (10Daniel Kinzler)
[14:51:05] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Siebrand; [mediawiki/extensions/CleanChanges] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/38499
[14:51:53] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Siebrand; "Maintenance for SecurePoll extension." [mediawiki/extensions/SecurePoll] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/27024
[14:51:58] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Siebrand; "JSLint/JSHint fixes." [mediawiki/extensions/LiquidThreads] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/27553
[14:51:59] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: jenkins-bot; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39164
[14:52:36] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Siebrand; "Add explicit GENDER support for 3 messages." [mediawiki/extensions/Premoderation] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/38914
[14:52:44] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Siebrand; "Deglobalized." [mediawiki/extensions/APC] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39001
[14:52:55] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Siebrand; "Some JSHint/JSLint fixes" [mediawiki/extensions/ApiSandbox] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39006
[14:57:27] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) PHP Notice: Undefined index: SERVER_PROTOCOL - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43218  +comment (10Dereckson)
[15:00:51] <sumanah>	 hi qgil! how are you?
[15:02:48] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Add section edit link for 0th section - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/156   +design; +comment (10Dereckson)
[15:03:38] <sumanah>	 Dereckson: so, I recently heard from Brandon Harris that adding the design keyword is not sufficient to get design attention; you should personally cc him
[15:03:40] <sumanah>	 for https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=156
[15:04:07] <sumanah>	 andre__: you already sent a note re https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=41130 to Rob & Aaron?
[15:05:54] <DanielK_WMDE>	 hey sumanah
[15:06:27] <sumanah>	 hi DanielK_WMDE! hey did you hear about https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Individual_Engagement_Grants ?  this is good news (and you can encourage people to start thinking about applying, I think, and the first app deadline is in like 2 months)
[15:06:50] <Dereckson>	 Hello sumanah, noted.
[15:06:54] <sumanah>	 cool
[15:06:56] <andre__>	 sumanah, not yet
[15:06:59] <sumanah>	 ok
[15:07:08] <andre__>	 writing on three other emails :P
[15:07:34] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Add section edit link for 0th section - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/156  (10Dereckson)
[15:08:24] <sumanah>	 got it :-)
[15:08:45] <DanielK_WMDE>	 sumanah: sounds a lot like WMDE's Wissenswert program. Great to see the WMF doing this!
[15:08:58] <sumanah>	 \o/
[15:09:24] <sumanah>	 DanielK_WMDE: in the US we say that the individual states are "the laboratory of democracy" -- I am glad that good ideas in Wikimedia can also bubble around :-)
[15:10:06] <DanielK_WMDE>	 sumanah: oh, btw - can you tell me who we can bug about Gerrit stuff? We want to install a commit hook. I don't really want to bother roan abotu it...
[15:10:14] <Jarry1250>	 brion: Hi, did you have aa chance to revisit https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/25838/ ?
[15:10:28] <^demon>	 DanielK_WMDE: A commit hook on what in gerrit?
[15:10:37] <sumanah>	 DanielK_WMDE: as you can see, Chad is a main Gerrit dude
[15:10:52] <^demon>	 s/a/the/ ;-)
[15:11:10] <DanielK_WMDE>	 ^demon: basically, parse the commit line for (bug 12345) and post a comment to bug 12345. AnjaJ_WMDE has the details
[15:11:17] <DanielK_WMDE>	 AnjaJ_WMDE: --^^
[15:11:21] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) North america upload caches aren't responding to squid purges - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41130  +comment (10Andre Klapper)
[15:11:25] <andre__>	 sumanah, sent
[15:11:35] <sumanah>	 ^demon: it would be nice if I could spread the load a bit
[15:11:41] <sumanah>	 from you to others
[15:11:46] <andre__>	 DanielK_WMDE, I'd also like to join that discussion
[15:11:51] <^demon>	 DanielK_WMDE: Ah. We've talked about doing this before, just never gotten around to it.
[15:12:09] <AnjaJ_WMDE>	 ^demon: I have the script running for wikidata atm
[15:12:17] <sumanah>	 AnjaJ_WMDE: where's the code btw?
[15:12:22] <sumanah>	 in a Gerrit repo - tools?
[15:12:27] <andre__>	 hi AnjaJ_WMDE, is that code somewhere so I could take a look? :)
[15:12:53] <^demon>	 If we're going to do it on a wider scale, I kind of want to adapt the JIRA plugin to work on BZ.
[15:12:53] <sumanah>	 jinx :-)
[15:12:57] <AnjaJ_WMDE>	 not yet, cause it is not written for gerrit but accessing gerrit and bugzilla via the json rpc api
[15:13:07] * andre__  throws in Gerrit hooks documentation at http://gerrit-documentation.googlecode.com/svn/Documentation/2.5.1/config-hooks.html#_change_merged

[15:13:16] <DanielK_WMDE>	 in an ideal world, we'd just submit the hooks script to some git repo, and it would get reviewed, merged and deployed...
[15:13:21] <DanielK_WMDE>	 is that possible?
[15:13:32] <^demon>	 The hooks are maintained in the puppet repo.
[15:13:39] <AnjaJ_WMDE>	 need to test it before and discuss which bugzilla account should be used
[15:13:48] <AnjaJ_WMDE>	 to post comments
[15:13:49] <^demon>	 files/gerrit/hooks/*
[15:13:52] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: MaxSem; "Please regenerate the serialized equivset with generateEquivset.php" [mediawiki/extensions/AntiSpoof] (master); V: 0 C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/38902
[15:14:12] <AnjaJ_WMDE>	 it should add comments for changesets being submitted and patch sets being merged
[15:14:17] <DanielK_WMDE>	 AnjaJ_WMDE: do you think you can submit this directly as a change to the gerrit setup, via gerrit?
[15:14:34] <^demon>	 The thing is, the json-rpc api is not-forward compat, and is very actively being deprecated.
[15:14:35] <AnjaJ_WMDE>	 need a local gerrit setup then to test this … dunno
[15:14:40] <^demon>	 This hook will likely break when we upgrade.
[15:14:52] <AnjaJ_WMDE>	 gerrit or bugzilla json rpc api?
[15:14:59] <^demon>	 the gerrit json rpc.
[15:15:01] <andre__>	 Bugzilla JSON RPC is rather stable.
[15:15:13] <AnjaJ_WMDE>	 gerrit is not needed anymore once it is a hook right
[15:15:35] <^demon>	 Possibly. I haven't seen the script :)
[15:15:49] * sumanah  leaves this discussion to the experts, preps for a meeting

[15:15:51] <^demon>	 Our current hook uses gerrit, which makes me shudder.
[15:16:01] <DanielK_WMDE>	 ^demon: well, if it's a "normal" git post commit hook, it doesn't need to know about gerrit, i suppose
[15:16:13] <AnjaJ_WMDE>	 ok let me clean it and commit it where to?
[15:16:23] <^demon>	 DanielK_WMDE: It's just a python script passed a bunch of params from gerrit.
[15:16:51] <^demon>	 AnjaJ_WMDE: If you clone the puppet repo from wmf gerrit (operations/puppet.git), the files you're looking for are in files/gerrit/hooks/*
[15:16:58] <AnjaJ_WMDE>	 ok
[15:17:07] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) [statements-ui] Set up a sensible focus flow - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43074  +comment (10Wikidata Bot)
[15:17:18] <AnjaJ_WMDE>	 will address this tomorrow and let you know once I'm done so we can have a look at ti
[15:17:34] <^demon>	 AnjaJ_WMDE: I wrote most of that code, so let me know if you have any problems.
[15:17:45] <andre__>	 still wondering (maybe this is a stupid question): If it was a script in Gerrit located under '$site_path'/hooks and logs in to a Bugzilla account, where would the Bugzilla account password be stored?
[15:18:03] <^demon>	 andre__: In the private repo that's not in gerrit :)
[15:18:12] <andre__>	 good :)
[15:18:12] <AnjaJ_WMDE>	 the cookies are valid through 2038
[15:18:20] <AnjaJ_WMDE>	 only needs that
[15:18:28] <AnjaJ_WMDE>	 (hopefully)
[15:18:40] <^demon>	 andre__: That private repo has stuff like key files, passwords, etc. Only opsen can get to it.
[15:18:58] <AnjaJ_WMDE>	 ok, we would need to agree on an account to use 
[15:19:20] <^demon>	 We have a JenkinsBot role account on Gerrit for Jenkins. I like the form of FooBot.
[15:19:24] <^demon>	 Maybe GerritBot on BZ?
[15:19:40] <AnjaJ_WMDE>	 sounds straightforward
[15:20:02] <^demon>	 andre__: BZ's your baby. Sound ok to you?
[15:20:02] <andre__>	 anything that makes clear that it's a bot :)
[15:20:08] <^demon>	 :)
[15:20:11] <andre__>	 oh yes! I so want this! :P
[15:20:14] <richard1122>	 hello, i noticed that, when i write an extension extends AuthPlugin and use it , if my username is the same as my password, it won't be checked through my extension, and return invalid user. is it what is supposed to do ? thank you !! 
[15:20:21] <andre__>	 gerrit-bot@wikimedia.org or whatever.
[15:20:52] <^demon>	 richard1122: User is hardcoded to not allow username == password. I imagine that doesn't allow AuthPlugin to override.
[15:21:07] <AnjaJ_WMDE>	 great, let's give it a try (never used puppet before) tomorrow. going to a soccer match now :)
[15:21:34] <^demon>	 andre__: I already have a gerritadmin@wm.o alias setup. Can reuse that.
[15:22:05] <richard1122>	 :^demon thank you . so i think i have to change my external database ...
[15:22:13] <DanielK_WMDE>	 ^demon: that would trigger when *setting* the password - but when *checking* the password? I'd call that a bug...
[15:22:14] <andre__>	 ^demon, oh nice. If we go with that I should probably deactivate the test user I created for AnjaJ_WMDE a few days ago
[15:22:40] <^demon>	 DanielK_WMDE: Huh? I don't follow...
[15:22:42] <andre__>	 ^demon, but we could also rename it to make clear it's a bot. GerritAdmin sounds like a human to me
[15:22:54] <^demon>	 Hmm, true.
[15:22:56] <^demon>	 Aliases are cheap.
[15:23:00] <^demon>	 We'll just get another.
[15:23:01] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Siebrand; "Update check blacklist" [translatewiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39209
[15:23:23] <AnjaJ_WMDE>	 thanks guys!
[15:23:25] <^demon>	 DanielK_WMDE: Ohhh, duh. Yeah, I dunno.
[15:23:30] <^demon>	 I haven't done AuthPlugin in awhile.
[15:23:53] <AnjaJ_WMDE>	 cya
[15:26:25] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Siebrand; "Update check blacklist" [translatewiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39211
[15:26:47] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Siebrand; [translatewiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39209
[15:26:47] <^demon>	 andre__: Filed in rt for mail alias.
[15:27:00] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Siebrand; [translatewiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39211
[15:28:47] <Qcoder00>	 http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/User:Sfan00_IMG/CinquePorts -OK I am now seriosuly on the point of loosing my sanity
[15:29:14] <Qcoder00>	 I make a tweak which got the continuations going , only to find it's STILL putting a tag in the wrong place
[15:29:32] <Qcoder00>	 Can SOMEONE else please SANITY CHECK the templates, before I loose it?
[15:34:08] <^demon>	 andre__: Did you just get my test e-mail?
[15:44:04] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Define max width to the contect - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43231 normal; MediaWiki: Templates; ()
[15:44:10] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Define max width to the contect - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43231  (10Amiad)
[15:44:52] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Define max width to the contect - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43231  (10Amiad)
[15:45:42] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Undefined offset messages in LdapAuthentication 2.0c - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43232 normal; MediaWiki extensions: LdapAuthentication; ()
[15:52:54] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Define max width to the content - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43231  summary (10Amir E. Aharoni)
[15:53:13] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Define max width for the content - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43231  summary (10Amir E. Aharoni)
[15:54:05] <andre__>	 ^demon, yes, received!
[15:54:20] <^demon>	 Ok great :)
[15:54:38] <^demon>	 The alias is gerrit-bz@wm.o
[15:55:01] <andre__>	 (sorry for answering late, in a meeting)
[15:55:06] <^demon>	 No problem.
[15:55:10] <andre__>	 ^demon, not sure where that email comes from, but I received it :P
[15:55:52] <andre__>	 In case that's also the used email address in Bugzilla I'd probably add a real name such as "Gerrit notification bot" or such
[15:56:14] <^demon>	 Yeah, that was meant to be the e-mail for us to use in BZ.
[15:56:46] <^demon>	 Once we make the account, we should disable all enotifs so we don't get spammed by the alias :)
[15:57:14] <Platonides>	 I prefer having 'bot' in the name
[15:57:33] <Platonides>	 as not everyone in bugzilla will know what gerrit means
[15:57:45] <Platonides>	 (and I expect those will be less than those knowing about bots)
[15:57:45] <^demon>	 Yeah, the user will have Bot in the name in some manner.
[15:57:46] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) enable PageTriage in test environments - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43203  normal->major (10Andre Klapper)
[15:58:12] <^demon>	 Something like "Gerrit Notification Bot <gerrit-bz@wikimedia.org>" would work just fine for BZ.
[15:59:22] <andre__>	 ^demon, yes. What about 1) content of the email, like link to the Gerrit changeset etc, and 2) parsing for the bug number where to add it to? Just curious.
[16:00:16] <^demon>	 I dunno. We'll let Anja get the change in gerrit tomorrow to work out what the content would be.
[16:00:54] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) display problem, login problem, possible caching issue - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42452  +comment (10Umherirrender)
[16:01:06] <^demon>	 andre__: What I meant was disable the bot's BZ e-mails so *you and I* don't get those notifications (since we already get them from cc lists, etc)
[16:01:28] <^demon>	 So the bot won't be notified of BZ changes.
[16:02:21] <andre__>	 I'm not sure if I can follow. Why would the bot get notified of BZ changes? It wouldn't be CC'ed and nobody would follow that bot.
[16:02:56] <andre__>	 To me it's just a user in Bugzilla that sometimes adds a comment like "A potential fix for this problem has been posted for review in Gerrit: $GERRIT_URL"
[16:03:10] <andre__>	 or "A patch that mentions this bug report has been merged into the codebase: $GERRIT_URL"
[16:03:15] <Platonides>	 as far as it unchecks the "Add me to CC" box :P
[16:03:24] <andre__>	 is that on by default?
[16:03:26] <Platonides>	 I don't know what interface is used by the bot to deal with bugzilla
[16:03:30] <Platonides>	 it is
[16:03:35] <andre__>	 I hope XMLRPC or JSONRPC
[16:03:39] <Platonides>	 but maybe not in whatever api it uses
[16:03:41] <andre__>	 so it wouldn't apply I guess
[16:03:59] <andre__>	 but I can disable receiving bugmail explictly for such a bot account in Bugzilla, sure.
[16:06:09] <^demon>	 andre__: I was mainly worried about it being on the cc list.
[16:06:16] <^demon>	 We just need to make sure it's not.
[16:06:22] <andre__>	 ^demon, ah. Okay then.
[16:07:06] <andre__>	 I don't think the bot would get added to the CC list, see http://www.bugzilla.org/docs/4.2/en/html/api/Bugzilla/WebService/Bug.html#add_comment
[16:09:10] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) display problem, login problem, possible caching issue - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42452  +comment (10Andre Klapper)
[16:09:14] <^demon>	 andre__: Might rely on the user's preference for "add me by default?" Anyway, easily disabled if so.
[16:09:18] <suprsonic>	 can I upgrade from MediaWiki straight to 1.6.3 to 1.20.2?
[16:09:33] <andre__>	 1.6.3? Or do you mean 1.16.3?
[16:10:02] <ardian>	  HI what is the link that tells what version of mediawiki is wikipedia using and about plugins ?
[16:10:12] <andre__>	 ^demon: I can disable all bugmail to receive for a specific user. I'm more after content of the email and making it parse the bug number, but I understand that's a different topic :)
[16:10:20] <andre__>	 ardian, Special:Version
[16:10:47] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Navigation/Toolbox side panel is not collapsible - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43227  +comment (10Andre Klapper)
[16:11:05] <Qcoder00>	 Right: That's it
[16:11:18] <Qcoder00>	 My template code is STILL refusing to behave as deisred
[16:11:28] <Qcoder00>	 Can someone else takea look at it
[16:11:56] <Qcoder00>	 because I'm about to gte VERY angry, having spent the best of a fey days tryingt to get it to behave and it still refuses?
[16:12:06] <suprsonic>	 andre__
[16:12:09] <suprsonic>	 1.6.3
[16:12:10] <andre__>	 Qcoder00, at http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/User:Sfan00_IMG/CinquePorts or where?
[16:12:13] <ardian>	 andre__: thank you
[16:12:18] <Qcoder00>	 andre_:
[16:12:20] <Qcoder00>	 Yeah
[16:12:46] <Qcoder00>	 I'm trying to do continued paragraphs and for some reason my coding is still somewhoe broken
[16:12:48] <andre__>	 suprsonic, uh whoah. Now that's old. I'd expect breakage. Nobody tests such jumps.
[16:12:51] <Qcoder00>	 I suspect typos
[16:12:54] <andre__>	 Qcoder00, but where's the template?
[16:13:04] <andre__>	 ah
[16:13:46] <Qcoder00>	 andre_: The template that's peoblematic is {{cl-act-section}} , I suspect typos, but having spent the best part of 3 days trying to get this working, I'm finally giving up the will to continue because it straightforwardly quirks
[16:14:00] <Qcoder00>	 EVERY SINGLE TIME I try to get it working in consistent way
[16:14:13] <suprsonic>	 andre__ what do you recommend?
[16:14:30] <suprsonic>	 maybe 1.19.3?
[16:14:51] <andre__>	 suprsonic, check which extensions you use and if they still exist for 1.20
[16:15:13] <suprsonic>	 I assume its a base install
[16:15:20] <suprsonic>	 not aditional extensions
[16:15:31] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Pginer; "Paragraph style fixes for message editor" [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39213
[16:15:45] <andre__>	 suprsonic, well, give it a try I'd say. And backups can save your day...
[16:17:26] <andre__>	 whou, MediaWiki 1.6.x was in 2006.
[16:17:47] <Qcoder00>	 andre:_: So in simple terms , why is the template not behaving as desired?
[16:18:39] <andre__>	 Qcoder00: sorry I myself don't know in this case. I hope that the information (URL and specific template) is sufficient that somebody else here can take a look and help.
[16:19:17] <andre__>	 suprsonic: still I might read the "heads up for administrators" sections in the release notes of each release.
[16:22:43] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Shared references creates repeated output in generated <references /> block - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43233 minor; Parsoid: JS/General; ()
[16:23:49] <Lydia_WMDE>	 wikidata office hour in a few mins in #wikidata-office :)
[16:26:02] <Lydia_WMDE>	 #wikimedia-office of course
[16:27:06] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Shared references where reference is defined late creates blank output in generated <references /> block - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43234 minor; Parsoid: JS/General; ()
[16:35:32] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) PHP parser does not apply wiki-specific content (for Cite, ?others) in Parsoid integration - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43235 normal; Parsoid: JS/General; ()
[16:36:19] <Qcoder00>	 I'm sorry but unless someone can tell me why cl-act-section is STILL not behaving itself.
[16:36:54] <Qcoder00>	 I'll have to consider that I'm trying to do is too complex
[16:37:00] <Qcoder00>	 *what
[16:37:23] <Qcoder00>	 which is ludicrous because there are other complex templates which don't break 
[16:37:42] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) PHP parser does not apply wiki-specific content (for Cite, ?others) in Parsoid integration - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43235  +comment (10Gabriel Wicke)
[16:39:30] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Shared references where reference is defined late creates blank output in generated <references /> block - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43234  (10Gabriel Wicke)
[16:40:13] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Shared references creates repeated output in generated <references /> block - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43233  (10Gabriel Wicke)
[16:40:37] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) PHP parser does not apply wiki-specific content (for Cite, ?others) in Parsoid integration - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43235  (10Gabriel Wicke)
[16:41:07] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Citation references are zero-indexed rather than one-indexed in target names - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43236 normal; Parsoid: JS/General; ()
[16:41:27] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Citation references are zero-indexed rather than one-indexed in target names - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43236  normal->trivial (10James Forrester)
[16:46:12] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) can't upload scribus file (.sla) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40504  +comment (10Annaïg DENIS)
[16:46:44] <paxed>	 does gerrit-wm or wikibugs output something useful when a new version is released? i'd like to make my irssi ping me when a new version is available.
[16:47:50] <sumanah>	 paxed: when a new version of MediaWiki is released?
[16:48:04] <paxed>	 sumanah: yes
[16:48:23] <sumanah>	 paxed: so, there's a special email list https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-announce and there are some templates on mediawiki.org that change when there's a new version out
[16:48:26] <AwoL>	 is there any default functionality to email a user (admin user / sysop) when any page is edited?
[16:48:41] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Config wm2013 translation group - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43075  (10Niklas Laxström)
[16:49:07] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Zfilipin; "Jenkins job template now has more flexibility" [qa/browsertests] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39216
[16:49:37] <sumanah>	 paxed: anything you can do with that, cobbled together with irssi? :-) 
[16:50:14] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Pginer; "Paragraph style fixes for message editor" [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39213
[16:50:17] <paxed>	 sumanah: meh, i guess i'll subscribe to that list then. email is just overflowing nowadays, i pay more attention to pings on irc :P
[16:50:23] <sumanah>	 I hear ya
[16:50:56] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Citation references are zero-indexed rather than one-indexed in target names - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43236   +easy; +comment (10Gabriel Wicke)
[16:50:58] <sumanah>	 I guess you could set irssi to ping if it sees "Releases: 1.20.3" because that would be in our changed /topic ?
[16:51:06] <sumanah>	 and then change that pref every time you upgrade
[16:52:18] <paxed>	 or just topic change, it doesn't change that often here anyway.
[16:52:31] <sumanah>	 AwoL: I'm looking .... searching mediawiki.org for "email" & "notification"
[16:52:57] <sumanah>	 go ahead and do the same?
[16:53:07] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Cmcmahon; "make it possible to run generic tasks in Jenkins, not just rake" [qa/browsertests] (master); V: 2 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39216
[16:53:07] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Cmcmahon; [qa/browsertests] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39216
[16:53:09] <AwoL>	 sumanah: I found a plugin that seems to do it, but I didn't know if there wasn' t some basic functionality I didn't find
[16:53:14] <sumanah>	 nod
[16:53:26] <AwoL>	 sumanah: thanks :)
[16:53:45] <sumanah>	 AwoL: :-) so I assume this is a small wiki where you really want to be notified of every edit?
[16:54:14] <Emufarmers>	 AwoL: $wgUsersNotifiedOnAllChanges
[16:54:41] <AwoL>	 sumanah: yep, edits shouldn't be that common after it is setup....I was also thinking of not having any account requirement for edits.....if that is the case, I would like to know immediately if someone decides to delete content
[16:54:47] <AwoL>	 Emufarmers: ah, thanks!
[16:54:48] <sumanah>	 wow, search broke for me on mediawiki.org if my search did not find what Emufarmers just mentioned
[16:55:05] <AwoL>	 I didn't find it either...
[16:55:11] <Emufarmers>	 Eh, I didn't search: I just have all the configuration settings in my head :p
[16:55:18] <Emufarmers>	 (well, not quite, but...)
[16:55:21] <AwoL>	 haha
[16:55:35] <AwoL>	 that looks like it is just want I need, thanks!!
[16:55:43] <sumanah>	 Emufarmers: ha! that sounds really useful
[16:56:00] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Mattflaschen; "This is minor stuff, though bear in mind I'm not familiar with the Math extension." [mediawiki/extensions/Math] (master) C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/30177
[16:58:18] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Pginer; "Paragraph style fixes for message editor" [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39213
[17:01:07] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Matthias Mullie; "DataModel" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/27981
[17:01:12] <sumanah>	 lwelling: thanks for your code reviews!  how's that going?
[17:03:07] <Emufarmers>	 I have some ImageMagick (convert) threads that MediaWiki is spawning for one particular image; for some reason they're just sitting around indefinitely, even though the thumbnails seem to have been created fine.  Any ideas on how I might debug this?
[17:04:00] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Matthias Mullie; "DataModel" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/27981
[17:04:39] <sumanah>	 anything weird about that image's properties compared to other images, Emufarmers ?
[17:06:38] <lwelling>	 sumanah, good.  I need to get some changes in for reviews on my code, then back onto a bigger task (a ZeroMQ backed verison of jobqueue)
[17:08:10] * sumanah  looks at http://www.zeromq.org/

[17:09:01] <Krenair>	 if anyone here speaks ru, pt-br, id, es, zh, zh-hans, fr, or da: It would be nice if you could take a look at some entries on https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:PendingChanges
[17:09:03] <Emufarmers>	 sumanah: It appears to be rather large in terms of pixel dimensions, so I thought it might be hitting some shell memory limit or something, but it's not _that_ large
[17:09:08] <Emufarmers>	 http://fanlore.org/wiki/File:Laura%27s_Writings.png
[17:09:41] <sumanah>	 Krenair: you could ping Srikanth from the Languages team? is he already on it?
[17:09:56] <sumanah>	 Emufarmers: oh are you working on fanlore stuff? cool
[17:10:44] <Emufarmers>	 Oh, right, you were the one who hooked me up with them
[17:11:32] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Zfilipin; "Fixed failing test in IE6." [qa/browsertests] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39217
[17:11:54] <Emufarmers>	 Anyway, that file page probably won't load if you try it.  It seems to be blocked by the zombie convert processes; it loads as soon as I killall them
[17:12:25] <sumanah>	 yeah it is not loading
[17:12:38] <sumanah>	 oh it finally loaded!
[17:12:41] <Emufarmers>	 yeah
[17:12:45] <Emufarmers>	 because I just killalled them again :>
[17:12:51] <sumanah>	 I figured :/
[17:13:08] <Emufarmers>	 the thumbnails all seem to be there, though...
[17:14:31] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Cmcmahon; "IE6. that is all" [qa/browsertests] (master); V: 2 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39217
[17:14:31] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Cmcmahon; [qa/browsertests] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39217
[17:15:04] <Emufarmers>	 http://pastebin.com/4iKkH5km is what the processes look like
[17:15:40] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Pginer; "Paragraph style fixes for message editor" [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39213
[17:15:41] <Emufarmers>	 "-thumbnail 380x767!" I wonder why it would be trying to thumbnail to that size...
[17:15:53] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) invalid XML response ("4::olduser", "5::newuser", "6::edits" appears as node attributes) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43221  +comment (10bianjiang)
[17:16:19] <sumanah>	 huh
[17:21:36] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) can't upload scribus file (.sla) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40504  +comment (10Andre Klapper)
[17:23:10] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Nikerabbit; "Add handy accessor to ApiQueryMessageTranslations" [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39218
[17:24:59] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Special:GettingStarted: "How to help" box is outside the page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43181  (10Andre Klapper)
[17:25:21] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Use <a> instead of <button> for "Compare selected versions" on HistoryAction - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/16165   +design (10Isarra)
[17:25:33] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) IPv6 anonymous user's comment signed using an IPv4 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37379  (10Andre Klapper)
[17:25:43] <Pladask>	 Would it be crazy to empty wiki_job on a small wiki with a bizarrely long queue?
[17:26:00] <sumanah>	 Emufarmers: any luck with the weird ImageMagick issue?
[17:26:13] <AaronSchulz>	 Pladask: did you run showJobs.php --group ?
[17:26:16] <Pladask>	 (It is 100-fold the number of pages)
[17:26:19] <Emufarmers>	 sumanah: not yet
[17:27:45] <Pladask>	 AaronSchulz: SMWUpdateJob: 3460, htmlCacheUpdate: 4926, refreshLinks: 147965, refreshLinks2: 5501 …
[17:28:34] <Pladask>	 That's just crazy. And the refreshLinks2 will expand in to yet more heaps of jobs, if I understand correctly? =)
[17:29:29] <AaronSchulz>	 yes, they turn to refreshLinks
[17:29:43] <sumanah>	 oh chrismcmahon - http://en.planet.wikimedia.org/ is the planet where you should totally get your blog syndicated! and http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Planet_Wikimedia has instructions
[17:30:17] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Mattflaschen; "Fix PEAR part of install-phpunit.sh." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/38814
[17:31:23] <chrismcmahon>	 sumanah: I'm only on-topic  by accident
[17:31:52] <Pladask>	 Would it make sense to clear the job table and, say, do a dummy edit on all pages to be safe?
[17:32:07] <sumanah>	 chrismcmahon: I syndicate a certain category only
[17:32:13] <sumanah>	 so you could do that too
[17:32:43] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) add ParserOutput::addJsConfigVars - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37501  normal->15enhancement (10Andre Klapper)
[17:33:22] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Link lists obscure "Signatures" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37499  +comment (10Andre Klapper)
[17:35:41] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) invalid XML response ("4::olduser", "5::newuser", "6::edits" appears as node attributes) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43221  +comment (10Brad Jorsch)
[17:37:14] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) [REGRESSION] File comment with source information no longer added to thumbnails - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42368  summary (10Sumana Harihareswara)
[17:37:39] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Legoktm; "Add two new letters" [mediawiki/extensions/AntiSpoof] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/38902
[17:38:44] <AaronSchulz>	 brion: can you peek at https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/38742/2 ?
[17:39:15] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Pginer; "Paragraph style fixes for message editor" [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39213
[17:39:19] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) List change author in gerrit email templates - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41608  summary (10Sumana Harihareswara)
[17:39:19] <AaronSchulz>	 anomie: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/39170/
[17:40:22] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Cmcmahon; "first PageTriage feature for review" [qa/browsertests] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39220
[17:40:44] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Brion VIBBER; "Looks plausible on first look, can't currently test." [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/38742
[17:41:51] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Error rendering SVG to png - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42328  (10Sumana Harihareswara)
[17:41:58] <sumanah>	 brion: I know Jarry1250 had a question for you
[17:43:27] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) page history shows unreviewed revisions, reversions in wrong order - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42296  summary; +comment (10Sumana Harihareswara)
[17:44:28] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Vector skin has width issues sometimes on this here old buckets computer - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42300  (10Sumana Harihareswara)
[17:45:41] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Break the site (Chrome Desktop) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41662  +comment (10Sumana Harihareswara)
[17:48:23] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) [REGRESSION] File comment with source information no longer added to thumbnails - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42368   +code-update-regression (10Andre Klapper)
[17:48:40] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: jenkins-bot; [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39218
[17:50:06] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: jenkins-bot; [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39213
[17:51:13] <sumanah>	 petan: http://bots.wmflabs.org/~petrb/logs/%23wikimedia-analytics/ - can't access it, permissions
[17:53:37] <AaronSchulz>	 Pladask: I would run runJobs.php --type SMWUpdateJob
[17:53:56] <AaronSchulz>	 then maybe truncate the table when those are done
[17:53:56] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) EntityDiff must include claims - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43021  summary (10Krenair)
[17:54:16] <AaronSchulz>	 unless you have the cpu to burn through all of them
[17:57:08] <Pladask>	 AaronSchulz: Yeah, that's what I thought, too. Doing it now. =)
[17:57:12] <Pladask>	 AaronSchulz: Thanks
[17:57:35] <AaronSchulz>	 Pladask: you can probably run the html cache ones too
[17:57:43] <AaronSchulz>	 just because they are fast
[17:58:10] <Pladask>	 AaronSchulz: Ok, will do
[17:59:50] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Lwelling; "Add support for mulitpart mime email to email sending code" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/37515
[18:01:00] <qgil>	 I'm trying to find out who has access to https://identi.ca/wikimediatech & https://twitter.com/wikimediatech
[18:02:37] <sumanah>	 qgil: you could email the socialmedia alias, they often know
[18:03:20] <qgil>	 sumanah, I was hoping not to bother them again since this is clearly an Engineering thing but nobody here seems to know.  :)
[18:03:25] <sumanah>	 :)
[18:03:36] <sumanah>	 hey multichill how's it going?
[18:03:50] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) OH-AFT "Improve this page" feedback widget shows "Remove this tool?" X only in Firefox - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37426  +comment (10Andre Klapper)
[18:04:15] <lwelling>	 sumanah, I think that makes me up to date on code review responses, so back to my jobqueue work while I wait for reviews on that
[18:04:45] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Feedback input box has no ‘name’ attached that prompts screen reader such as Jaws for input < OH-AFT> - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37667   +accessibility (10Andre Klapper)
[18:05:21] <sumanah>	 lwelling: thanks for the reviews!  and of course if you need a break from jobqueue work feel free to review a bit more :-)
[18:07:24] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Colour Contrast of text within the button ‘Post Your Feedback’ after input is hard to read < OH-AFT> - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37474  +comment (10Andre Klapper)
[18:07:25] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Article Feedback CTA buttons are hard to read in Monobook skin - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41653  +comment (10Andre Klapper)
[18:08:02] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Hoo man; "Fix ApiQueryLogEvents::addLogParams for unknown types using the new format" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39221
[18:09:57] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) invalid XML response ("4::olduser", "5::newuser", "6::edits" appears as node attributes) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43221  +comment (10Marius Hoch)
[18:10:09] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) invalid XML response ("4::olduser", "5::newuser", "6::edits" appears as node attributes) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43221   +patch-in-gerrit (10Marius Hoch)
[18:10:15] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) OH-AFT "Improve this page" feedback widget shows "Remove this tool?" X only in Firefox - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37426  +comment (10Andre Klapper)
[18:10:55] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Form submission error occurs that is not repeatable < OH-AFT> - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37476  (10Andre Klapper)
[18:11:07] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) IE8- 'Improve this page' pop up bottom right corner not available < OH-AFT> - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37489  (10Andre Klapper)
[18:11:35] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Cmcmahon; "Page Object for PageTriage. note first use of multiple identifiers for single element" [qa/browsertests] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39222
[18:11:48] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) IE7-Missing ‘Improve this page' pop up (bottom right corner) to add feedback < OH-AFT> - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37490  +comment (10Andre Klapper)
[18:11:50] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) IE8- 'Improve this page' pop up bottom right corner not available < OH-AFT> - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37489  +comment (10Andre Klapper)
[18:12:01] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) The image links on Obama, Golden-Crowned Sparrow and Drew Barrymore has no ALT text <OH-AFT > - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37503   +accessibility (10Andre Klapper)
[18:18:19] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Nikerabbit; "Reduce output from ttmserver-export and few small tweaks" [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39223
[18:18:20] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Nikerabbit; "New solr schema.xml" [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39224
[18:19:09] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) The image links on Obama, Golden-Crowned Sparrow and Drew Barrymore has no ALT text <OH-AFT > - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37503  +comment (10Andre Klapper)
[18:20:21] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Clicking ‘donate to Wikipedia’ gives no warning message before leaving the page <OH-AFT> - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37510  normal->minor; +comment (10Andre Klapper)
[18:21:10] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Siebrand; "Add add-extensions to clone missing extension repos" [translatewiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39226
[18:22:23] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Empty Link in the content section below Wikipedia logo can trip web content reader < OH-AFT> - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37515  normal->minor;  +testme; +comment (10Andre Klapper)
[18:24:17] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Empty Creative Commons license link (<a>) in footer - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37516  normal->trivial;  +accessibility; summary; +comment (10Andre Klapper)
[18:25:43] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) INCONSISTENT Implementation of Confirmation Screen displayed after posting feedback through form at bottom of page and Widget <OH-AFT> - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37651  +comment (10Andre Klapper)
[18:26:31] <ki>	 hey i'm using mysqldump to backup my wiki database .. in phpmyadmin it shows my database to be about 1.4 GB, the backup file is a .bak file thats about 340 MB and when I import it into a backup server the database is about 840 MB
[18:26:45] <ki>	 is everything being backed up?
[18:27:17] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Make AbuseFilter aware of Wikibase content models. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42064  +comment (10Chris Steipp)
[18:27:41] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) OH-AFT: Possible to enter feedback of >5,000 characters - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37438  normal->minor; +comment (10Andre Klapper)
[18:28:04] <Dereckson>	 Hello ki.
[18:28:20] <ki>	 hi
[18:28:36] <Dereckson>	 This is normal to get some differences: mysqldump provides you with sql statements.
[18:29:01] <Dereckson>	 So the size of the list of the sql commands to create again the tables will be different than the internal MySQL storage space.
[18:29:18] <ki>	 ok .......
[18:29:18] <Dereckson>	 What should be ± equivalent is the size of the db on both servers.
[18:29:26] <ki>	 its not :/
[18:29:33] <Dereckson>	 I can see that.
[18:29:44] <ki>	 1.4 GB on server and 840 MB on mirred or
[18:29:45] <Dereckson>	 So did you have any error with mysqldump?
[18:29:51] <ki>	 no errors
[18:30:20] <Dereckson>	 you can open two phpMyAdmin pages on both database and compare the amount of rows in each table
[18:30:44] <Dereckson>	 (note you have a total line at the bottom to help you)
[18:30:54] <ki>	 the text table is 340 MB on original and 34 MB on mirred 
[18:31:25] <ki>	 weird thing is the backed up database seems to work fine
[18:31:49] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Siebrand; "Make declaration compatible with overridden function's" [mediawiki/extensions/CleanChanges] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39227
[18:32:11] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Notification payloads should not include wikitext - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43213  +comment (10Ryan Kaldari)
[18:32:19] <Dereckson>	 ki: the number of rows is consistent?
[18:32:21] <ki>	 367 MB on original text table and 35.5 MB on imported backed up table
[18:32:23] <ki>	 hmm
[18:32:30] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Siebrand; [mediawiki/extensions/CleanChanges] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39227
[18:32:54] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Hook efCategoryTreeParserOutput failed to return a value in MW 1.13.2 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37720  summary; +comment (10Andre Klapper)
[18:32:59] <ki>	 how do i tell the rows?
[18:33:45] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Creation of strange page names - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37801  +comment (10Andre Klapper)
[18:34:20] <ki>	 ok i see 
[18:34:32] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Wikimedia Shop galleries poorly implemented, specifies three items per row - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37793  normal->minor; summary (10Andre Klapper)
[18:35:06] <ki>	 on original shows ~28,201 rows and backed up shows ~123,804	rows
[18:35:42] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Change the text in the feedback form - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43237 normal; MediaWiki extensions: ArticleFeedbackv5; ()
[18:36:13] <andre__>	 Hmm, I wonder how to "re-close" all those "install extension X on xy.wikipedia" that were closed as RESOLVED LATER due to missing proof of community consensus. WONTFIX? WORKSFORME? INVALID? That's a bikeshed question, I know. :)
[18:36:27] * andre__  gets a cigarette while thinking about it

[18:39:11] <hoo>	 andre__: Clearly wontfix... or maybe invalid :P Look for previously declined ones
[18:40:30] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Install sitemap extension into bugzilla, and then update bugzilla robots.txt - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33406  +comment (10Tim Landscheidt)
[18:40:48] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) "Updated since last visit" markers should not be reset by viewing old revisions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41759  summary; +comment (10Sumana Harihareswara)
[18:40:52] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Change the text in the feedback form - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43237  +comment (10Matthias Mullie)
[18:40:56] <legoktm>	 hoo: mind reviewing https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/38683/ ?
[18:41:43] <sumanah>	 btw MaxSem you might have opinions on https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikidata/Development/Representing_values 
[18:42:51] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Change the text in the feedback form - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43237  (10Matthias Mullie)
[18:43:55] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) "Updated since last visit" markers should not be reset by viewing old revisions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41759  +comment (10Oliver Keyes)
[18:44:47] <hoo>	 legoktm: I'll take a look ;)
[18:44:59] <legoktm>	 thanks
[18:45:55] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Break the site (Chrome Desktop) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41662  +comment (10Jon)
[18:48:43] <gerrit-wm>	 Change abandoned: Adithyap; "Dupe of Gerrit 38821." [mediawiki/extensions/AbuseFilter] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/38919
[18:50:46] <sumanah>	 qgil: you might have seen, I just told the Java person about Gerrit as another place to potentially contribute
[18:50:55] <sumanah>	 but Lucene + mobile are definitely big
[18:51:06] <sumanah>	 qgil: one more: the Java library for the MediaWiki API needs love
[18:51:34] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Error rendering SVG to png - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42328  +comment (10Jarry1250)
[18:52:36] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Kaldari; "Strip out wikitext from edit summaries" [mediawiki/extensions/Echo] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39180
[18:53:13] <Jarry1250>	 sumanah: RESOLVED FIXED ^^
[18:53:19] <sumanah>	 I saw!
[18:53:20] <sumanah>	 \o/
[18:53:46] <sumanah>	 Jarry1250: have you had any luck catching brion re those reviews you need?
[18:54:00] <sumanah>	 Tpt: hi, how are you?
[18:54:27] <qgil>	 sumanah, that question made me think that having landing pages by language would perhaps be a good idea. Do you like Java? This is what you can do:
[18:54:30] <sumanah>	 Tpt: thank you for your work on ProofreadPage - I see the backlog https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/q/status:open+project:mediawiki/extensions/ProofreadPage,n,z is pretty low these days
[18:55:09] <sumanah>	 qgil: could be, yeah :-) and would also make it easier for when our folks go to specific conferences
[18:55:16] <sumanah>	 you know who could maintain these pages? Groups!
[18:55:23] <Tpt>	 sumanah: Hi! I was pretty busy these few months.
[18:55:31] <Jarry1250>	 sumanah: Well he had a brief look but it needs a good test. I'm also waiting for AaronSchulz to review https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/20295/ -- unless you can recommend someone else familiar with FileBackend and all that jazz?
[18:56:09] <sumanah>	 Jarry1250: you could ping Ben Lobaugh for another look before you get Aaron .... or potentially you could ask Tim
[18:56:27] <AaronSchulz>	 I think the hard part is the i18n
[18:56:34] <sumanah>	 Jarry1250: if you've been trying to contact Brion and haven't been successful, it's ok to politely escalate to Tomasz :-)
[18:56:36] <AaronSchulz>	 I assume Nikerabbit or someone would look at that
[18:57:08] <Jarry1250>	 AaronSchulz: Oh, fair enough, but I didn't think you'd seen teh FileBackend bit?
[18:57:17] <Jarry1250>	 You rightly called me up on a previous patch
[18:57:29] <Jarry1250>	 so I went back and did it properly (I think)
[18:57:31] <qgil>	 sumanah, ... which reminds me that this effort could be organized by groups as they appear. Hum.
[18:57:42] <sumanah>	 Jarry1250: if you want a preliminary i18n review before you get the WMFers on it, you could ask liangent or raimond
[18:57:53] <AaronSchulz>	 silly gedit highlighting, makes the text invisible
[18:58:03] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Bsitu; "Email copy update" [mediawiki/extensions/PageTriage] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39178
[18:58:14] <sumanah>	 actually Raimond has +2 in core I believe so you could get a full approval from him
[18:59:12] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Kaldari; [mediawiki/extensions/PageTriage] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39178
[18:59:59] <Jarry1250>	 sumanah: Well, of the two patchsets, one definitely requires Brion to look at it (and he can +2); the other needs Aaron and Nikerabbit to review their own respective bits, but I can +2 because it's in translatesvg itself
[19:00:01] <Raymond_>	 sumanah: yeah. what to do?
[19:00:18] <Raymond_>	 I see
[19:00:45] <sumanah>	 Jarry1250: ok ... might be time for a wikitech-l status post (I know you emailed me a little while back, maybe you can just repurpose that)
[19:00:52] <sumanah>	 in which you say what you're waiting on from whom
[19:00:54] <sumanah>	 :)
[19:01:04] <sumanah>	 I need to head off for an hour -- good luck!
[19:01:23] <Jarry1250>	 thanks :)
[19:01:53] <theKaramanukian>	 Hey, where is a mediawiki article stored?
[19:02:20] <Nikerabbit>	 who is highlighting me? :O
[19:03:03] <Jarry1250>	 Nikerabbit: I was saying that you'd already had a look at https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/20295/
[19:03:47] <Jarry1250>	 So hence if AaronSchulz could have a look at the file storage bit (thanks Aaron) I'll merge and move on. yay!
[19:04:48] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Bsitu; [mediawiki/extensions/Echo] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39180
[19:07:22] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Wrong ordering of search results - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43238 normal; MediaWiki extensions: WikidataRepo; ()
[19:07:58] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) OH-AFT: Possible to enter feedback of >5,000 characters - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37438  +comment (10Rick Scott ("shadowspar"))
[19:09:32] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Hoo man; [mediawiki/extensions/AbuseFilter] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/38683
[19:09:54] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Add variable user-is-blocked - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/22548  +comment (10Marius Hoch)
[19:11:35] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Umherirrender; "Need adjust due to merge of Ia9709ed5" [mediawiki/core] (master) C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/38713
[19:12:07] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Change the description of the primary sources tag - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43239 normal; MediaWiki extensions: PageTriage; ()
[19:14:13] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Error rendering SVG to png - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42328  +comment (10Jarry1250)
[19:15:35] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Language selection does not change the Content-language - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/30047  +comment (10Incarus)
[19:16:46] * Emufarmers  pets codurr.

[19:16:46] * codurr  purrs.

[19:17:13] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Language selection does not change the Content-language - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/30047  +comment (10Incarus)
[19:19:31] <marktraceur>	 !interwiki
[19:19:31] <wm-bot>	 Interwiki links are links between wikis. For instance, on Wikibooks, [[w:Article name]] or [[wikipedia:Article name]] will link to a Wikipedia article. To set up interwiki links, see <http://mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Guide_to_setting_up_interwiki_linking> and <http://mediawiki.org/wiki/Interwiki>. For easy configuration, use <http://mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:SpecialInterwiki>
[19:24:02] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Getting parameter "afl_user" available for log events - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34946  +comment (10Marius Hoch)
[19:24:09] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Hoo man; [mediawiki/extensions/AbuseFilter] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/38903
[19:24:53] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Tpt; "Add of a validation for language codes." [mediawiki/extensions/ProofreadPage] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/38917
[19:26:56] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Kaldari; "Update PageTriage and Echo to master" [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.21wmf6) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39230
[19:27:17] <theKaramanukian>	 So when a user writes an article on a mediawiki, is it stored in a db?
[19:28:24] <MaxSem>	 yes
[19:29:00] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Have emails go through the AbuseFilter - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43228  (10Krenair)
[19:30:01] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Define max width for the content - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43231  (10Krenair)
[19:30:19] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Navigation/Toolbox side panel is not collapsible - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43227  (10Krenair)
[19:30:49] <theKaramanukian>	 MaxSem: which db?
[19:31:08] <MaxSem>	 the one you told it to use during installation:)
[19:31:46] <Scooter_>	 SQL generally
[19:39:17] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Language selection does not change the Content-language - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/30047  +comment (10Daniel Zahn)
[19:40:37] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Kaldari; [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.21wmf6) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39230
[19:42:21] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Mattflaschen; "Fix remaining issues from the first GuidedTour code review." [mediawiki/extensions/GuidedTour] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39182
[19:43:18] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Petr Onderka; "Fixed description for async parameter in upload module" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39231
[19:43:32] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Hoo man; [mediawiki/extensions/AbuseFilter] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/37562
[19:44:16] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Abusefilter API does not check whether a user is blocked - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42816  +comment (10Marius Hoch)
[19:45:07] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Mattflaschen; "Patch set 4 addresses these comments." [mediawiki/extensions/GuidedTour] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39182
[19:45:09] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: CSteipp; "One minor cleanup would be nice, then I'm happy to merge this." [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/27133
[19:45:43] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Mattflaschen; "-1 self.  Do not submit until rebase." [mediawiki/extensions/GuidedTour] (master) C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39182
[19:48:03] <theKaramanukian>	 Hey this may seem simple, but where do I write a hook?
[19:50:07] <Jarry1250>	 theKaramanukian: You create your own extension
[19:50:22] <Jarry1250>	 And put your hooks there
[19:50:36] <Jarry1250>	 Assuming you mean "take advantage of existing hook points"
[19:51:05] <theKaramanukian>	 Jarry1250 I don't know what you mean by  "take advantage of existing hook points"
[19:51:28] <hellekin>	 hello people. I'm trying to link two wikis together, and doing so I thought: it would be nice to add them both to the interwiki.list. How can we proceed to do that?
[19:51:39] <theKaramanukian>	 The article said to include hooks in hooks.php or local settings. 
[19:51:55] <^demon>	 You can start in LocalSettings, especially if it's small.
[19:51:55] <theKaramanukian>	 is that what I should do?
[19:52:01] <Jarry1250>	 theKaramanukian: Oh yes, LocalSettings would work for small stuff.
[19:52:41] <theKaramanukian>	 Alright, to register the hook shouldn't I assign it to the global $wghooks in hooks.php
[19:52:42] <marktraceur>	 hellekin: Hi again :)
[19:53:07] <hellekin>	 re marktraceur :) I can sense a conspiration
[19:53:10] <marktraceur>	 hellekin: I'd imagine there's somewhere you can submit a patchset, but I'm not sure exactly where that's configured. Let me do some hunting briefly.
[19:53:17] <^demon>	 theKaramanukian: No, you register your function in LocalSettings.php. The hooks.php mention in Manual:Hooks is a little confusing IMHO.
[19:53:23] <^demon>	 You should never have to edit hooks.php
[19:53:47] <hellekin>	 http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/maintenance/interwiki.list?view=markup
[19:53:54] <hellekin>	 marktraceur: ^^
[19:53:56] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Hoo man; "(bug 42814) Fix AbuseLog API permissions" [mediawiki/extensions/AbuseFilter] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/37989
[19:54:02] <^demon>	 theKaramanukian: From Manual:Hooks, "Register the event handler by adding it to the global $wgHooks array for a given event. Hooks can be added from any point in the execution before the hook is called, but are most commonly added in LocalSettings.php or its included files."
[19:54:04] <marktraceur>	 hellekin: Interesting. That's in core.
[19:54:10] <theKaramanukian>	 great I'll take a look at it. 
[19:54:37] <marktraceur>	 hellekin: Well, you can definitely submit a patch for that. But you'll want to use git instead :)
[19:54:55] <hellekin>	 marktraceur: adding the prefix is one line of SQL. Making it official might be one line of git :)
[19:55:31] <marktraceur>	 Yup, something like that
[19:56:04] <hellekin>	 also, we can submit it to dokuwiki and c2
[19:56:23] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Hoo man; "This will change the API in an incompatible way." [mediawiki/extensions/AbuseFilter] (master); V: 0 C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/37989
[19:56:45] <gerrit-wm>	 Change abandoned: Cmcmahon; "forgot something" [qa/browsertests] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39222
[19:56:58] <marktraceur>	 hellekin: If you'd like, sure. I won't be as able to help with that.
[19:57:14] <marktraceur>	 hellekin: Actually, I could probably submit this patch for you in a tick. One sec.
[19:59:56] <theKaramanukian>	 ^demon: is there a way to pass the article's title in a hook?
[20:00:37] <^demon>	 Depends on the hook you're using. Every hook has different parameters is passes. All hooks (and their parameters) are documented on mediawiki.org (and in docs/hooks.txt in mediawiki).
[20:02:23] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Siebrand; "Why was this merged despite the unanswered concerns about the L10n changes? Now translators will sta..." [mediawiki/extensions/PageTriage] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39178
[20:08:52] <theKaramanukian>	 still confused guys, I've created a hook with $wgHooks = $wgHooks['ArticleSave'][] = array( 'foo'); in local settings.php, where do I define the function?
[20:10:02] <Jarry1250>	 $wgHooks['ArticleSave'][] = 'foo';
[20:10:09] <Jarry1250>	 function foo (...) {
[20:10:16] <Jarry1250>	 ... 
[20:10:17] <Jarry1250>	 }
[20:10:26] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Undefined offset messages in LdapAuthentication 2.0c - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43232  (10Dan Barrett)
[20:10:30] <theKaramanukian>	 right underneath… got it 
[20:10:39] <MatmaRex>	 anywhere, actually
[20:11:24] <Doyle>	 Yea. Syntax Highlight shows up as an installed extension now.
[20:11:40] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Szymon Świerkosz; "Maybe I will work on this next year, no promises though." [mediawiki/extensions/CentralAuth] (master) C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/7300
[20:11:46] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Szymon Świerkosz; "Maybe I will work on this next year, no promises though." [mediawiki/extensions/CentralAuth] (master) C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/7274
[20:15:08] <Doyle>	 ... but for some reason my account is still locked from yesterday
[20:15:35] <Doyle>	 Does anyone know how I can unlock it either from the db or from the directories?
[20:16:09] <MatmaRex>	 what do you mean "locked"?
[20:16:20] <MatmaRex>	 you can unban yourself even if you're banned, afaik
[20:16:23] <Doyle>	 Login error
[20:16:23] <Doyle>	 You have made too many recent login attempts. Please wait before trying again.
[20:16:46] <MatmaRex>	 ah. i don;t know then, sorry :(
[20:18:21] <Doyle>	 ok
[20:18:40] <Doyle>	 Requesting a new PW doesn't unlock the account
[20:18:44] <Doyle>	 which is weird
[20:20:03] <Jarry1250>	 There's a bug for that.
[20:20:55] <Doyle>	 Super. Do you have a workaround?
[20:20:57] <Jarry1250>	 https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=30072
[20:21:19] <Jarry1250>	 Doesn't give one there
[20:21:34] <Jarry1250>	 It'll be in the user table
[20:25:05] <Doyle>	 what is user_touched for?
[20:25:48] <^demon>	 Last time the user was touched (prefs change, password change, etc etc)
[20:26:15] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) mw:extension:Listings needs to be able to override defaults for listing format and parameters - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43220  (10Peter Fitzgerald)
[20:27:33] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) OH-AFT: Possible to enter feedback of >5,000 characters - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37438  (10Andre Klapper)
[20:31:47] <Doyle>	 The lock property is not in the table 'user'
[20:31:57] <Doyle>	 or user_properties
[20:32:51] <Doyle>	 not ipblocks...
[20:33:59] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Parent5446; "(bug 39490) Add caching to InfoAction." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/27133
[20:42:55] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: jenkins-bot; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/27133
[20:44:09] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Mwalker; "Logging every Transaction During Audit" [wikimedia/fundraising/tools] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39308
[20:49:09] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Enable XML importing on enwikivoyage - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42450  +comment (10Peter Fitzgerald)
[20:50:03] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Hashar; "recheck" [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/34698
[20:53:11] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Can block a random non-existing user via API - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38633  summary (10Andre Klapper)
[20:55:37] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: CSteipp; "(bug 42814) Fix AbuseLog API permissions" [mediawiki/extensions/AbuseFilter] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/37989
[20:59:44] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) After password reset user should get at least one extra chance to log in with the new password - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/30072  (10atkinson1982)
[21:00:40] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Matmarex; "(bug 40044) make $.tablesorter treat alt attribute like text" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/23100
[21:00:50] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Matmarex; "Bada-bump. It's been three weeks. Is anybody still against this change? (Nobody cared to +1 or -1 th..." [mediawiki/core] (master) C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/23100
[21:01:13] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Matmarex; "(bug 17808) (bug 21167) use real links for search suggestions" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/23674
[21:01:21] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Matmarex; "recheck" [mediawiki/core] (master) C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/34971
[21:01:28] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Matmarex; "(bug 42497) do not use fake values for {{PLURAL: in newmessages* messages" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/38506
[21:02:10] <MatmaRex>	 yay rebasing
[21:02:17] <MatmaRex>	 somebody should merge these at last
[21:02:48] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Add localised logos for Wiktionaries without one - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43240 enhancement; Wikimedia: Site requests; ()
[21:09:31] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Jarry1250; "Going to go ahead and merge. I'll ensure this gets more eyes later on." [mediawiki/extensions/TranslateSvg] (master); V: 2 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20295
[21:09:31] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Jarry1250; [mediawiki/extensions/TranslateSvg] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/20295
[21:11:38] <lwelling>	 Every analogy breaks down sooner or later ... some just break down sooner and have funnier "logical extensions"
[21:12:05] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Add localised logos for Wiktionaries without one - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43240   +patch-in-gerrit +shell; +comment (10Nemo)
[21:20:40] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Aaron Schulz; "Fixed blacklist param for captcha script." [mediawiki/extensions/ConfirmEdit] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39313
[21:21:05] <AaronSchulz>	 csteipp: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/39313/1
[21:22:08] <sumanah>	 robla: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2012-12-17/Technology_report  in case you want to give any corrections or suggestions
[21:22:10] <sumanah>	 "The impending onset of Christmas and its associated public holidays in many of the countries where Wikimedia developers are based has begun to push schedules back as the Foundation tries to avoid breaking wikis without having the time to fix them (wikitech-l mailing list). The phenomenon, which has long been part of the software development orthodoxy, will see two weeks become three ...."
[21:22:35] <sumanah>	 did you know about this orthodoxy?
[21:23:15] <ori-l>	 i know the eastern orthodox church has a funny calendar and lots of cool mysticism, so i'm not surprised about two weeks becoming three
[21:23:23] <ori-l>	 sounds like their sort of thing
[21:24:17] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: CSteipp; "Good catch. Looks good." [mediawiki/extensions/ConfirmEdit] (master); V: 0 C: 1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39313
[21:24:33] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Karun; "(bug 43184) corrected display of script path change so that when the script path is empty, we default to showing / as the path" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39153
[21:25:11] <csteipp>	 AaronSchulz: Looks ok. Let me know if you want that merged too, and I'll actually test it.
[21:30:27] <Doyle>	 Nope. Nope.
[21:30:29] <Doyle>	 Nope.
[21:30:54] <Doyle>	 Login error. You have made too many recent login attempts. Please wait before trying again.
[21:30:58] <Doyle>	 How can there be no fix to this?
[21:31:07] <Doyle>	 The other admin account shows 0 blocked users.
[21:31:24] <Doyle>	 What is it exactly that reflects this in teh DB?
[21:32:55] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Cmcmahon; "resubmitting new Page Object, with URL this time" [qa/browsertests] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39315
[21:35:39] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) MobileFrontend alpha: picking one of the 'random' suggestions doesn't update URL - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43241 normal; MediaWiki extensions: MobileFrontend (Beta); ()
[21:36:28] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Settings background colour on Windows Phone 7 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43242 minor; MediaWiki extensions: MobileFrontend; ()
[21:37:36] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) MobileFrontend alpha settings don't allow going straight back to regular mode - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43243 normal; MediaWiki extensions: MobileFrontend (Beta); ()
[21:39:04] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Selecting an option, then choosing another still requires you to fill in the first option's info - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43244 normal; MediaWiki extensions: UploadWizard; ()
[21:39:33] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Selecting an option, then choosing another still requires you to fill in the first option's info. Also, bad help messages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43244  summary (10Adam Cuerden)
[21:39:53] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Separate out externals so we can collaborate with the community - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43226  +comment (10Matthew Flaschen)
[21:40:36] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Separate out externals so we can collaborate with the community - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43226  +comment (10Matthew Flaschen)
[21:40:38] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Abusefilter API does not check for abusefilter-view-private userright - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42814  +comment (10Marius Hoch)
[21:42:24] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) "My bugs" query only shows open bug reports - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43152  +comment (10Adam Cuerden)
[21:44:46] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) OH-AFT - ALT text box is observed without the validation. Able to insert the Junk character for alternative Link text. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37432  +comment (10Andre Klapper)
[21:46:38] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) OH-AFT: text limit needed for link alt text - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37429  (10Andre Klapper)
[21:46:40] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Add last uploader's user name to image results - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38243  +comment (10Adam Cuerden)
[21:47:12] <Doyle>	 it's a :B: in user_password column...
[21:47:33] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Hoo man; "(bug 42814) Fix AbuseLog API permissions" [mediawiki/extensions/AbuseFilter] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/37989
[21:47:37] <Doyle>	 nope
[21:48:59] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Hoo man; "(bug 42814) Fix AbuseLog API permissions" [mediawiki/extensions/AbuseFilter] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/37989
[21:50:09] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Hoo man; "Rebased... should merge now" [mediawiki/extensions/AbuseFilter] (master); V: 2 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/37989
[21:50:09] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Hoo man; [mediawiki/extensions/AbuseFilter] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/37989
[21:51:24] <Doyle>	 Where can I disable max login attmpts?
[21:51:48] <Doyle>	 I'm just going to start hacking the php files
[21:52:04] <sumanah>	 Doyle: btw have you already looked on mediawiki.org ?
[21:52:11] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) OH-AFT: text limit needed for link alt text - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37429  +comment (10Andre Klapper)
[21:52:22] <sumanah>	 andre__: btw have you been running into more "search does not seem to work right" bugs than usual recently?
[21:52:32] <MatmaRex>	 Doyle: it has to be somewhere in the database
[21:52:36] <MatmaRex>	 i mean, where else could it be
[21:52:45] <MatmaRex>	 !schema
[21:52:45] <wm-bot>	 http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Database_layout
[21:53:01] <andre__>	 sumanah, hmm, I'd say the constant amount. Nothing special, no
[21:53:47] <Doyle>	 I've looked at every table in the db... there is nothing that says block, lock etc
[21:53:51] <Doyle>	 anywhere.
[21:54:54] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Abusefilter API does not check for abusefilter-view-private userright - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42814  +comment (10Marius Hoch)
[21:55:12] <Doyle>	 The ipblocks table is empty
[21:57:17] <sumanah>	 ok, thanks andre__ 
[22:00:23] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) CheckUser displays 2001:6a0:200:121::2/128 and 127.0.0.1/32 on PostgreSQL - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37612  normal->minor (10Andre Klapper)
[22:01:11] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) apache2 need manual start - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38996  +comment (10Andre Klapper)
[22:01:45] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) labsconsole login session issues - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38164  (10Andre Klapper)
[22:03:04] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Aaron Schulz; [mediawiki/extensions/ConfirmEdit] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39313
[22:03:33] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Add uploaders' user names to image results - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38243  summary; +comment (10Adam Cuerden)
[22:04:21] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Hoo man; "(bug 42814) Fix the visibility of action=query&list=abuselog" [mediawiki/extensions/AbuseFilter] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39317
[22:05:34] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Add uploaders' user names to image results - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38243  +comment (10Krenair)
[22:06:01] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Abusefilter API does not check for abusefilter-view-private userright - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42814  +comment (10Marius Hoch)
[22:06:35] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Grammar problems with UI messages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37670  +comment (10Andre Klapper)
[22:07:12] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Cite references disappear when Maps in included before Cite - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38539  summary (10Andre Klapper)
[22:07:17] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Add localised logos for Wiktionaries without one - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43240  (10Tomasz W. Kozłowski)
[22:07:38] <SereCore>	 I have a (maybe simple) question I can't find an answer to :/
[22:07:52] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) whitespace shown incorrectly - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38680  (10Andre Klapper)
[22:09:04] <hoo|away>	 SereCore: Go ahead and ask ;)
[22:09:05] <Krenair>	 andre__, did you see the bug I CC'd you to?
[22:09:36] <andre__>	 Krenair, maybe, don't know. I get all bugmail on all bug reports anyway.
[22:09:42] <Krenair>	 I think I might've misunderstood what exactly is being aimed for here
[22:09:57] <Krenair>	 But either way he continues to put shit like this in comments:
[22:10:08] <Krenair>	 "Can we have a productive discussion on this that doesn't end in someone closing it out of a pissy fit?"
[22:10:15] <SereCore>	 hoo, thanks.  does mediawiki need root access on a server in order to work?
[22:10:17] <Krenair>	 "So, after years of encouraging contributors not to list their names in files, it's somewhat worrying that you think that they shouldn't be searchable."
[22:10:21] <hoo>	 SereCore: No
[22:10:23] <SereCore>	 or can I get away with a "shared" server
[22:11:00] <andre__>	 Krenair, bug ID?
[22:11:11] <Krenair>	 https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=38243
[22:11:12] <hoo>	 SereCore: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Installation_requirements ;)
[22:11:13] <Krenair>	 38243
[22:11:39] <marktraceur>	 !b 38243
[22:11:39] <wm-bot>	 https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=38243
[22:12:09] <andre__>	 Krenair, ah, that person.
[22:12:40] <andre__>	 Krenair, okay, I have enough. I'll block him.
[22:13:13] <Krenair>	 Thanks.
[22:13:27] <SereCore>	 I read over that, but it didn't specify if I needed a server with root access :)
[22:13:31] <SereCore>	 but thanks for the link
[22:13:37] <Krenair>	 I looked through the rest of his comments/bugs on BZ
[22:13:52] <SereCore>	 anyway, good to know
[22:13:55] <Krenair>	 It seems like he was annoyed with the english wikipedia and decided to come and moan at the developers on BZ instead
[22:14:02] <SereCore>	 I'm new to this whole project
[22:14:07] <hoo>	 SereCore: Yeah... even SELinux isn't a problem :D
[22:14:51] <andre__>	 Krenair, yes
[22:15:55] <awjr>	 !worstcase
[22:15:55] <wm-bot>	 Generally, the worst that can happen is that someone compromises your site, steals your data, deletes it and replaces it with kiddy porn. Then they start a spam service on your server advertising the kiddy porn to twenty million email addresses, daily. Then your home gets raided, you get fired and your wife leaves you.  Then you get killed in your sleep by ninjas.
[22:16:40] <awjr>	 yeah, sounds about right.
[22:16:45] <marktraceur>	 awjr: And you get sued by a patent troll because the spam service was their code
[22:16:46] <hoo>	 Boy that escalated quickly... :D
[22:16:55] <awjr>	 lol
[22:16:58] <SereCore>	 holy shit, ninjas are a pretty extreme consequence
[22:17:06] <awjr>	 marktraceur: that should be added.
[22:17:15] <marktraceur>	 SereCore: And that's why you should never run Wireshark as root.
[22:17:16] <awjr>	 SereCore: they don't call it worstcase for nothing
[22:18:31] <SereCore>	 I mean, the kiddy porn thing seemed status-quo, but...
[22:18:41] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Bsitu; "Disable Echo notification on LiquidThreads" [mediawiki/extensions/LiquidThreads] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39318
[22:19:13] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jarry1250; "ApiGroupReview: Protect against spaces in example group name" [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39319
[22:20:58] <Doyle>	 Ok... maybe my user is not locked... maybe the "Login error You have made too many recent login attempts. Please wait before trying again." page is stuck...
[22:22:14] <Doyle>	 Waht are user tokens for?
[22:22:18] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Legoktm; "(bug 42819) AbuseFilter API does not give diff information" [mediawiki/extensions/AbuseFilter] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/38701
[22:23:11] <Doyle>	 Edit checks... got it
[22:23:29] <Doyle>	 already googled that one yesterday
[22:24:20] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) The Success page served by CentralAuth for logout shows a desktop link for logging back in - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43245 normal; MediaWiki extensions: MobileFrontend; ()
[22:25:35] <Jarry1250>	 Doyle: Do you have access to LocalSettings?
[22:25:38] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Aaron Schulz; "Actually create directories before using store operations." [mediawiki/extensions/ConfirmEdit] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39320
[22:25:47] <Doyle>	 I'm the server admin
[22:25:55] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Hoo man; "Please don't rebase and change things in one patch set for the sake of comparability (use git review..." [mediawiki/extensions/AbuseFilter] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/38701
[22:25:56] <Jarry1250>	 Well, you could just bump $wgPasswordAttemptThrottle up then
[22:26:42] <Jarry1250>	 Otherwise it looks like it's stored in the cache
[22:27:07] <legoktm>	 hoo: sorry about that, i didnt realize it would mess it up
[22:27:51] <Doyle>	 Set CACHE_NONE
[22:27:55] <Doyle>	 Still didn't work
[22:28:02] <Doyle>	 set $wgPasswordAttemptThrottle = false
[22:28:03] <Jarry1250>	 Doyle: Oh, sorry, my bad, $wgPasswordAttemptThrottle['count']
[22:28:11] <hoo>	 legoktm: Doesn't matter much on such a small change ;) But it can be annoying if several hundred lines at different places were changed ;)
[22:28:35] <Jarry1250>	 ...or $wgPasswordAttemptThrottle['seconds']
[22:28:51] <Jarry1250>	 (It might be too late to do that, actually)
[22:29:42] <Doyle>	 haha, realized when it  broke the wiki  :P
[22:29:47] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Footer gets two arrows on edit page no arrows on non-existance page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43246 normal; MediaWiki extensions: MobileFrontend (Beta); ()
[22:31:26] <Doyle>	 OK, CACHE_NONE and $wgPasswordAttemptThrottle = false worked
[22:31:37] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: MaxSem; "Update MobileFrontend to master" [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.21wmf6) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39321
[22:31:41] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) Log in form not centered in Firefox for Android - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43247 minor; MediaWiki extensions: MobileFrontend (Beta); ()
[22:31:42] <Doyle>	 I'm in.... now I'll change them back and see if I'm still in
[22:31:47] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) The Success page served by CentralAuth for logout shows a desktop link for logging back in - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43245  +comment (10Michelle Grover)
[22:31:58] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: MaxSem; [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.21wmf6) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39321
[22:32:50] <Doyle>	 Damnit... back to Login error
[22:32:50] <Doyle>	 You have made too many recent login attempts. Please wait before trying again.
[22:33:09] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Grammar problems with UI messages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37670  +comment (10Siebrand)
[22:33:10] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: MaxSem; "Update MobileFrontend to master" [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.21wmf5) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39322
[22:33:15] <marktraceur>	 Doyle: Was that after trying to log in?
[22:33:21] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Nikerabbit; "Spaces are valid in group named. Wouldn't rawurlencode be better?" [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39319
[22:33:30] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: MaxSem; [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.21wmf5) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39322
[22:33:31] <marktraceur>	 Doyle: And hasn't it been, like, 24 hours? At least?
[22:33:54] <Doyle>	 yep
[22:34:00] <Doyle>	 24 hours is an insane default
[22:34:06] <Doyle>	 10m maybe
[22:34:16] <marktraceur>	 Doyle: That doesn't sound like it's accurate behaviour.
[22:34:16] <Doyle>	 but not 24 hours. Terrible.
[22:34:25] <marktraceur>	 What setting is doing this for you?
[22:34:44] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) openZIM products - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43248 normal; Wikimedia: Bugzilla; ()
[22:35:57] <Doyle>	 This install is hosed... I have no idea. I'm taking this server over from someone else
[22:36:04] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Grammar problems with UI messages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37670  (10Siebrand)
[22:36:17] <marktraceur>	 Doyle: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgPasswordAttemptThrottle seems like the default is 5 minutes
[22:36:28] <marktraceur>	 Doyle: I'd file a bug. What version of MediaWiki is this?
[22:37:34] <Doyle>	 1.19.1
[22:37:51] <marktraceur>	 Hm.
[22:38:22] <Doyle>	 yay. SyntaxHilight works too... last change I made before getting murdered by that lock issue seemd to work.
[22:38:23] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: JGonera; "Why doesn't it include "X months/years ago"?" [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16848
[22:38:28] <marktraceur>	 Doyle: Can you pastebin a redacted version of your settings file? (i.e. remove private stuff)
[22:38:38] <Doyle>	 sure
[22:40:41] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Loading of Edit Page occasionally incomplete on ml.wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41802  +comment (10sunil)
[22:41:33] <Doyle>	 http://pastebin.com/HvmRKVW6
[22:43:11] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: CSteipp; "I'm not too familiar with filebackend, but this looks like it should work correctly." [mediawiki/extensions/ConfirmEdit] (master); V: 0 C: 1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39320
[22:44:12] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Add localised logos for Wiktionaries without one - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43240  +comment (10Nemo)
[22:44:27] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Ryan Lane; [mediawiki/extensions/OpenStackManager] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/38632
[22:45:22] <Doyle>	 marktraceur: it's up for 10m
[22:47:39] <marktraceur>	 Interesting.
[22:47:56] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Speex support in Cortado and OggHandler - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/13206  +comment (10Bawolff (Brian Wolff))
[22:56:43] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Aude; "update Wikibase, backport fix for bug 42956" [mediawiki/core] (wmf/1.21wmf6) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39326
[22:59:18] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Spamming continuing on beta wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39446  +comment (10Riley Huntley)
[23:02:30] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jarry1250; "ApiGroupReview: Protect against spaces in example group name" [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39319
[23:08:26] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) [REGRESSION] File comment with source information no longer added to thumbnails - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42368   +ops; +comment (10Bawolff (Brian Wolff))
[23:16:16] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) CentralAuth global login images should link to respective projects - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/15625  +comment (10Matthew Flaschen)
[23:17:45] <sumanah>	 great, I'm at the "coughing that hurts my chest and makes me feel like I'm a hundred years old" stage of recovering from this cold
[23:18:12] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Aaron Schulz; "Disable ulimit time limit for long-running captcha.py script." [mediawiki/extensions/ConfirmEdit] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39329
[23:28:08] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Squid cache not being cleared for thumbs when updating new version of image - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42963  +comment (10Bawolff (Brian Wolff))
[23:28:10] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) North america upload caches aren't responding to squid purges - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41130  +comment (10Bawolff (Brian Wolff))
[23:28:55] <marktraceur>	 Say Dereckson, d'you mind if I request a git repository for Teresa? It seems a good idea to get it set up soon, and she may be working in-office a bit tomorrow, so it would be good to be prepared if possible
[23:28:59] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) North america upload caches aren't responding to squid purges - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41130  +comment (10Bawolff (Brian Wolff))
[23:33:44] <Dereckson>	 marktraceur: she already pick an official or working name for the extension?
[23:34:28] <Dereckson>	 Hello terrrydactyl. I see you're here :) 
[23:35:04] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) FLAC audio should not be in playable sources if not supported by browser - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43249 normal; MediaWiki extensions: TimedMediaHandler; ()
[23:35:37] <marktraceur>	 I didn't realize it needed to be super-final
[23:35:45] <marktraceur>	 terrrydactyl: Do you have thoughts re: an extension name?
[23:38:06] <terrrydactyl>	 Dereckson: Hi! I'm terrible with coming up with names. I've used been calling it git repo extension, which isn't very descriptive.
[23:39:20] <marktraceur>	 from names import random_names
[23:40:21] <marktraceur>	 terrrydactyl: FetchSnippets | GitSnippets | GitFetch | CodeSnippets | FetchCode
[23:40:25] <marktraceur>	 etc. etc. etc.
[23:40:46] <terrrydactyl>	 I like CodeSnippets!
[23:41:23] <marktraceur>	 Sounds like a repo request in the making
[23:43:41] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Wikivoyage migration (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41184  (10Carl Austin Bennett)
[23:43:41] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) mw:extension:Listings needs to be able to override defaults for listing format and parameters - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43220  (10Carl Austin Bennett)
[23:43:54] <Dereckson>	 A snippet is a short piece of code to accomplish a task (e.g. a code snippet in PHP to convert a line with IRC color codes into HTML). I'm not sure this is clearly descriptive.
[23:44:14] <sumanah>	 marktraceur: in-office? interesting
[23:44:16] <sumanah>	 hi terrrydactyl 
[23:44:21] <terrrydactyl>	 Hi!
[23:44:28] <sumanah>	 I'm Sumana Harihareswara and I work at WMF
[23:44:36] <sumanah>	 but I'm in New York so you will rarely see me, sadly
[23:44:53] <terrrydactyl>	 Oh!
[23:44:56] <marktraceur>	 sumanah: The odds seem good that you'll be in town sometime this Spring :)
[23:45:11] <terrrydactyl>	 sumanah: I think one of my friends knows you!
[23:45:16] <sumanah>	 marktraceur: you already asked Rachel for a desk or alerted LHarms or the like that she'll be coming by?
[23:45:25] <sumanah>	 terrrydactyl: oh really! who?
[23:45:48] * sumanah  doesn't know enough to predict but is nonetheless speculating

[23:45:49] <terrrydactyl>	 sumanah: Ah! I'm blanking on his last name! But Michael.. he has really curly hair
[23:45:53] <marktraceur>	 Erm not particularly, I only knew about the signing contract thing. Also there's been an empty desk or five around me for some time
[23:45:55] <sumanah>	 Michael Constant?!!
[23:45:57] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) mw:extension:Listings needs to be able to override defaults for listing format and parameters - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43220  (10Ryan Holliday)
[23:46:10] * marktraceur  .... emails some people

[23:46:16] <terrrydactyl>	 sumanah: YES! 
[23:46:18] <sumanah>	 marktraceur: it's a nice gesture, I know the admin folks like to be informed :-)
[23:46:28] <sumanah>	 omg terrrydactyl I haven't seen Michael since like 2003, how is he?
[23:46:36] <sumanah>	 also is he hireable these days? :-)
[23:46:45] <sumanah>	 I think I called him and we talked for 5 min like 3 years ago
[23:46:52] <sumanah>	 and how do you know him?
[23:47:04] <terrrydactyl>	 I see him pretty often! My boyfriend works with his roommate so we go over all the time.
[23:47:28] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Loading of Edit Page occasionally incomplete on ml.wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41802  (10Marius Hoch)
[23:47:37] * marktraceur  groans at the neverending sumanah quest to hire all the people :P

[23:47:37] <sumanah>	 oh wow, that's great.  Is he in NorCal again then? I thought he lived in Vancouver for a while, don't know why I think that
[23:47:51] <terrrydactyl>	 He's doing good! He works on contract and whenever he doesn't have work, he plays games, haha.
[23:47:52] <sumanah>	 marktraceur: just 19 or however many openings we have 
[23:48:26] <sumanah>	 well that's great. He's the one who taught me how to crimp an Ethernet cable
[23:48:40] <sumanah>	 just before I moved in with him & a couple other folks in Berkeley
[23:48:53] <terrrydactyl>	 hahaha, he's living in San Mateo now with his girlfriend.
[23:49:19] <terrrydactyl>	 Really nice guy, super knowledgable. I'm always in awe when he just starts talking about anything really.
[23:49:24] <sumanah>	 I am happy there's a gal who appreciates him :-) one of my favorite Thanksgivings was the one he & I & our flatmates & friends spent together.
[23:51:04] <terrrydactyl>	 He also makes amazing creme brûlée.
[23:51:19] <wikibugs>	 03(NEW) CentralNotice should not make requests to Special:RecordImpression from every page (even when there are no active campaigns) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43250 normal; MediaWiki extensions: CentralNotice; ()
[23:51:23] <sumanah>	 marktraceur: and to be fair -- we're fighting uphill.  We need skilled people, we don't have nearly the paid recruiting power that a for-profit firm our size would have, and we need people who are multitalented, often in SF
[23:51:52] <marktraceur>	 *nod* true that
[23:52:01] <terrrydactyl>	 I think right now, he doesn't have work so I can definitely ask him.
[23:52:03] <sumanah>	 so to the extent that spreading-the-word helps, yes, I do it.  So many people have told me that hearing from me was the first time it ever entered their mind that WMF hires tech people
[23:52:13] <marktraceur>	 Heh.
[23:52:13] <wikibugs>	 03(mod) Remove "hits" from CAPTCHA dictionary - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/16166  +comment (10Aaron Schulz)
[23:52:36] <marktraceur>	 Well, great. I'll see if I can't step up my efforts. I have a contact that I've been procrastinating about....someone from Parse
[23:52:39] <sumanah>	 and word-of-mouth is probably *the* most effective way we have of getting candidates who suit us and whom we suit
[23:52:51] <terrrydactyl>	 Honestly, I didn't even know that open source employs people, so it's definitely good to spread the word.
[23:52:54] <marktraceur>	 She said she passes on a bunch of ops people, sounds like a promising source of candidates
[23:52:56] <sumanah>	 terrrydactyl: thanks!
[23:53:21] <marktraceur>	 (ironically, maplebed left us to work at Parse)
[23:53:23] <sumanah>	 terrrydactyl: understandable.  it's not as intuitive as many other tech jobs
[23:53:35] <sumanah>	 btw terrrydactyl are you blogging anyplace? will you be syndicating to http://en.planet.wikimedia.org/ ?
[23:53:59] <terrrydactyl>	 i'm blogging at terrrydactyl.wordpress.com
[23:54:15] <terrrydactyl>	 i know that my feed is gonna be passed through the OPW blog roll
[23:54:43] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Aaron Schulz; [mediawiki/extensions/ConfirmEdit] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39320
[23:54:47] <sumanah>	 oh where?
[23:55:02] <sumanah>	 awww MarkTraceur is helpful and kind! I second that. :)
[23:55:13] <terrrydactyl>	 let me look for it!
[23:55:40] * marktraceur  loved it the first time and loves it now :P

[23:57:07] <terrrydactyl>	 i think they're gonna be syndicated here: http://planeteria.org/wfs/
[23:57:10] <marktraceur>	 terrrydactyl: Care to confirm with Dereckson that CodeSnippets was a good name idea? We could probably push through that request tomorrow morning if so
[23:57:28] * marktraceur  is baselessly optimistic

[23:57:49] <sumanah>	 ah yes, James Vasile's deal.  terrrydactyl that's a general aggregator for women in free software, which is great! I also think you should get syndicated on the Wikimedia "planet" http://en.planet.wikimedia.org/ so other people in the Wikimedia tech community see what you're up to
[23:58:02] <sumanah>	 I just saw James last night at an event in NYC
[23:58:13] <terrrydactyl>	 okay! I'll definitely put that on my to-do list
[23:58:18] <sumanah>	 terrrydactyl: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Planet_Wikimedia has the HOWTO.
[23:58:54] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Kaldari; [mediawiki/extensions/LiquidThreads] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/39318
[23:59:38] <sumanah>	 also terrrydactyl I saw on your blog you mentioned that reading tech news is a useful way for you to understand the industry & its ecology. One thing that I've done is start regularly at least skimming LWN, formerly "Linux Weekly News" but they publish stuff every day :-) http://lwn.net/