[00:00:11] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/How_to_contribute is nicer now. Bye!' [00:03:37] Happy UTC new year. [00:03:44] * Susan looks at . [00:04:13] It's much better. [00:07:51] 03(mod) Improve CAPTCHA readability - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43546 +comment (10p858snake) [00:08:29] Heh. [00:09:30] 03(mod) Improve CAPTCHA readability - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43546 (10MZMcBride) [00:10:14] 03(mod) Improve CAPTCHA readability - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43546 +comment (10Steven Walling) [00:16:56] ori-l: next tuesday [00:17:09] sweet, thanks very much for checking [00:21:53] Happy new year! [00:22:07] Thank you siebrand, merry 2013. [00:22:18] happy new year to those in the future [00:23:14] * siebrand watched his weeding video from 2000-07-16 for the first time a few hours ago… Interesting :) [00:23:28] (also wedding video :P) [00:23:37] weeding video :D [00:23:56] it was on a CD in MPEG encoding... [00:24:05] Took some effort to make it AppleTV ready. [00:24:23] 03(NEW) MediaWiki needs a pig latin variant for English (disableable) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43547 normal; MediaWiki: Language converter; () [00:24:26] (and had a friend over who still had an optical drive in his notebook) [00:24:28] * MatmaRex just got the first bug of 2013 [00:24:41] i need to get around to plugging my appletv back in and getting it working properly [00:25:03] * siebrand will personally remove all nonsense locales from MediaWiki. [00:25:26] 03(mod) MediaWiki needs a pig latin variant for English (disableable) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43547 (10Siebrand) [00:25:27] 03(mod) Commons image impossible to move or delete - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43522 +comment (10Ryan Kaldari) [00:25:31] siebrand: this isn't about locales, it's a variant :) [00:25:41] Heh. [00:25:46] same shit, different day. [00:25:53] like the variant conversion for chinese or serbian [00:25:55] what. [00:25:55] D: [00:25:58] 03(mod) MediaWiki needs a pig latin variant for English (disableable) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43547 (10MZMcBride) [00:26:07] siebrand: Did you read the bug? [00:26:15] No, we need Pirate English, even failbook has/had that [00:26:18] the locales certainly should be called [00:26:22] i heard we have lolcat english, even [00:26:28] s/called/killed/ [00:27:57] MatmaRex: wikia has it [00:28:09] but its outdated and slightly broken afaik [00:28:38] 03(mod) MediaWiki needs a pig Latin variant for English for easier variant development work - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43547 summary; +comment (10MZMcBride) [00:29:59] 03(NEW) Suppressredirect for patrollers on dawiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43548 normal; Wikimedia: Wikidata; () [00:30:16] 03(mod) Suppressredirect for patrollers on dawiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43548 (10Simeon Dahl) [00:31:49] 03(mod) Suppressredirect for patrollers on dawiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43548 +shell; +comment (10MZMcBride) [00:32:09] 03(mod) Table of contents shouldn't be a - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/658 (10Bartosz Dziewoński) [00:38:52] 03(mod) MediaWiki needs a pig Latin variant for English for easier variant development work - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43547 +comment (10Dereckson) [00:40:56] 03(mod) MediaWiki needs a pig Latin variant for English for easier variant development work - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43547 +comment (10Nemo) [00:42:19] MatmaRex: Nemo's comment. ^ [00:42:26] Seems like a dupe to me. [00:42:46] 03(mod) Document how fallback language and message loading order in general works - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38662 (10Nemo) [00:42:46] hm [00:42:58] i was going to comment that this doesn;t seem like the same thing to me [00:43:17] although solutions to one of them could solve the other as well, in some cases [00:43:27] Oh, yeah. [00:43:28] I see what you mean. [00:43:31] my bug is from the perspective of a skin developer, the other is from an extension developer [00:43:52] i went thru some pain to implement variants interface in CologneBlue and i've been sitting on this idea since [00:47:26] 03(mod) MediaWiki needs a pig Latin variant for English for easier variant development work - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43547 +comment (10Bartosz Dziewoński) [00:48:33] 03(mod) Pseudolocalisation system to check text swell, unicode problems etc. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38486 (10Bartosz Dziewoński) [00:49:22] 03(mod) Add configuration to use a single category per language - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31311 (10Nemo) [00:49:44] 03(mod) Filter messages by prefix - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/32060 (10Nemo) [00:49:54] 03(mod) Reduce options clutter on Special:RecentChanges and Special:Watchlist - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35004 (10Nemo) [00:50:07] 03(mod) Use words for relative time periods - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35007 (10Nemo) [00:50:13] 03(mod) Thread moves (summary changes) need a revert/restore link - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36098 (10Nemo) [00:50:29] 03(mod) Unified diff in gerrit - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38100 (10Nemo) [00:50:34] 03(mod) Improve malicious PDF detection - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38113 (10Nemo) [00:50:50] 03(mod) Categories should list threads, not summaries - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38352 (10Nemo) [00:50:58] 03(mod) Page links from thread titles are not visible in Special:WhatLinksHere - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38353 (10Nemo) [00:51:03] 03(mod) MediaWiki:Globalblocking-blocked should tell the IP range - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38367 (10Nemo) [00:51:26] 03(mod) Make $wgTranslateSupportUrl configurable by namespace/project - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38635 (10Nemo) [00:51:29] 03(mod) "fixme" button to automatically file bug - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38671 (10Nemo) [00:51:45] 03(mod) Highlight non-matching parts of suggestions from translation memory - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38681 (10Nemo) [00:51:55] 03(mod) Thread history doesn't respect time zone preferences - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38789 (10Nemo) [00:52:09] 03(mod) No way to do RC patrolling (no "mark as patrolled" link on thread replies) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38804 (10Nemo) [00:52:23] 03(mod) "Show more replies" arrow gives listing with duplicate entries - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38877 (10Nemo) [00:52:33] 03(mod) All fuzzied messages should be considered untranslated - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39068 (10Nemo) [00:52:42] 03(mod) When creating a new thread, several duplicates are created - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39112 (10Nemo) [00:52:54] 03(mod) Review statistics should be added to Special:LanguageStats and Special:MessageGroupStats - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39279 (10Nemo) [00:53:03] 03(mod) Deleting a translation unit page doesn't remove the corresponding content from the translation page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39415 (10Nemo) [00:53:12] 03(mod) Specify why the user is receiving an email notification (enotif) for a thread - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39505 (10Nemo) [00:53:37] 03(mod) Switch to filter out subpages from Special:UncategorizedPages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39659 (10Nemo) [00:53:44] 03(mod) List all uncategorized pages (from all namespaces) on Special:UncategorizedPages or elsewhere - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39660 (10Nemo) [00:53:48] 03(mod) Query pages improvements (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39661 (10Nemo) [00:53:55] 03(mod) HTML escaping on the planet - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39725 (10Nemo) [00:54:01] 03(mod) Migrate to SUL all easy accounts - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39817 (10Nemo) [00:54:06] 03(mod) "Copy metadata" failure (not copying custom copyright tags) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39927 (10Nemo) [00:54:09] 03(mod) "Copy metadata" should confirm success or communicate failure - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39928 (10Nemo) [00:54:45] 03(mod) Suppressredirect for patrollers on dawiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43548 +comment (10Simeon Dahl) [00:54:45] 03(mod) "Copy metadata" should confirm success or communicate failure - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39928 +comment (10Nemo) [00:54:55] 03(mod) "Copy metadata" should update the appearance of fields, not only their content - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39929 (10Nemo) [00:55:05] 03(mod) Allow customization of help/cheatsheet section/tab/booklet - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39949 (10Nemo) [00:55:21] 03(mod) Reupload of old version of a file fails - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40304 (10Nemo) [00:55:44] 03(mod) Reduce options clutter on Special:RecentChanges and Special:Watchlist - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35004 +comment (10Bartosz Dziewoński) [00:56:10] 03(mod) Replicate gerrit database somewhere to allow free querying - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40331 (10Nemo) [00:56:20] 03(mod) Add interlace info to file metadata - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40663 (10Nemo) [00:58:16] 03(mod) On watchlist page "days all" should be reworded to "| up to 30 days". - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/26022 (10Nemo) [00:58:16] 03(mod) Use words for relative time periods - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35007 (10Nemo) [00:59:55] 03(mod) Reduce options clutter on Special:RecentChanges and Special:Watchlist - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35004 +comment (10Nemo) [01:03:53] 03(mod) Line matching in diffs favours similar line length over words similarity - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42053 (10Nemo) [01:10:01] 03(mod) "My notifications" red traffic light eye-sore - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41815 +comment (10Ryan Kaldari) [01:13:33] 03(mod) "My notifications" red traffic light eye-sore - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41815 +comment (10Nemo) [01:14:03] 03(mod) "My notifications" red traffic light eye-sore - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41815 (10Nemo) [01:26:14] MatmaRex: http://grip.espace-win.org/~dereckson/variants.tcl [01:26:46] MatmaRex: press F5 (the page invokes fortune) [01:28:27] "If all the seas were ink" -> "If all de seas wuz ink" / "If all thuh seas were ink" [01:28:34] Seems good to test variants. [01:28:55] Dereckson: lol, nice [01:29:25] but i'm afraid the jive variant has a too high "sheiiit" percentage to be generally acceptable :P [01:29:41] You made me recompile a 1986 software. [01:29:57] So you're excused ;) [01:30:15] ;) [01:30:16] I have this achievement to add to my strange stuff list. [01:31:16] Sorry for the delay by the way. I repackaged it, created a Mercurial repo for it and prepared a FreeBSD port for it. [01:31:37] That explains the 1 hour :p [01:32:27] haha oh god.Individualists unite! / Individualists unite. Right On! / Individualists unite! Gag me with a SPOOOOON! [01:33:37] Nice one. [01:34:27] * MatmaRex has found entertainment for the night [01:35:01] :) [01:38:03] .whois gerrit-wm [01:38:06] oops [01:38:24] seems to be down or delayed [01:59:46] MatmaRex: if you want it, http://www.dereckson.be/blog/2013/01/01/valspeak/ [02:00:21] (bonus point if you find the musical reference) [02:08:15] Dereckson: haha, thanks [02:08:31] Dereckson: i'm ashamed to admit i am completely missing the reference. [02:16:11] Da__ P___ [02:16:38] 03(mod) Allow opting out of unchecked revision notices - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38683 (10jidanni) [02:19:06] Dereckson: Daft Punk i've hard of, but i still see no references. :( [02:26:28] http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=BE&v=YtdWHFwmd2o Daft Punk - Technologic [02:27:18] this i've hard as well [02:27:26] but it looks like i'm too daft to get the joke :P [02:28:15] Test it. Clone it. Understand it. Decompress it. Install it. [02:28:36] ah. [02:28:42] * MatmaRex hides in shame [02:28:54] i think this is a sign that i should go and get some sleep. good night. [02:29:00] Good night :) [02:59:10] 03(mod) Add "Developer" or "API" link to footer of Wikimedia wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33464 +comment (10MZMcBride) [03:01:39] 03(mod) Job queue estimate often woefully inaccurate; need a better strategy - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/9518 (10Richard Guk) [03:03:17] 03(mod) PostEdit at ml.wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43532 +comment (10sunil) [03:03:59] 03(mod) Add "Developer" or "API" link to footer of Wikimedia wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33464 (10Oliver Keyes) [03:08:23] 03(NEW) API: Call to a member function getDefaultFormat() on a non-object - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43549 normal; MediaWiki: API; () [03:09:46] 03(mod) EducationProgram: Fatal "Call to a member function getId() on a non-object" in EPTimelineGroup.php - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42509 +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy)) [03:11:34] 03(mod) API: Call to a member function getDefaultFormat() on a non-object - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43549 +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy)) [03:11:36] 03(mod) Fatal error: Call to a member function getDefaultFormat() on a non-object - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42168 +comment (10Sam Reed (reedy)) [03:29:18] 03(mod) PostEdit at ml.wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43532 +comment (10Dereckson) [03:46:04] how long does it normally take for somebody to come around to review your code? [04:00:53] 03(mod) SecurePoll doesn't work on it.wikivoyage - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43457 +comment (10Emanuele Raoli) [04:19:51] 03(mod) Cross-wiki userrights reflects groups on local wiki, not target wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/12518 +comment (10Krenair) [04:37:00] how do i temporarly turn off new users registering and regular users editing/creating pages [04:37:08] apparently i had a HUGE spam attack [04:40:56] oh nvm [04:41:04] seems i already had it in place.. misread some output [07:19:57] 03(NEW) events log with _ok: true even with validation errors - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43550 minor; MediaWiki extensions: EventLogging; () [07:22:14] Does anyone know how to clear out a half-processed image? This is corrupted, but if you click on it, the image is whole: http://mnemotechnics.org/wiki/File:Prospero_and_Ariel_by_William_Hamilton.jpg [07:22:21] I tried ?action=purge [07:23:19] ah... nevermind. It works now. (hard browser refresh worked) [07:31:06] 03(mod) events log with _ok: true even with validation errors - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43550 (10spage) [08:06:33] 03(mod) CodeEditor extension documentation page needs screenshots/demo site - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39330 +comment (10Matthew Bowker) [08:07:03] Actually, that should say "resoved" but meh. [08:58:34] 03(mod) Review statistics should be added to Special:LanguageStats and Special:MessageGroupStats - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39279 (10Niklas Laxström) [09:20:10] 03(NEW) Focus in Special:MoveThread is nowhere - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43551 normal; MediaWiki extensions: LiquidThreads; () [09:21:12] 03(mod) Focus in Special:MoveThread is nowhere - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43551 (10Nemo) [09:25:02] 03(NEW) Focus in Special:ListUsers is nowhere - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43552 normal; MediaWiki: Special pages; () [09:25:15] 03(mod) Focus in Special:ListUsers is nowhere - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43552 (10Nemo) [09:26:19] 03(mod) Wikimedia wiki search is broken (outputting inconsistent results) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42423 +comment (10Foroa) [09:30:37] 03(mod) Return error rather than "zero results" when search fails - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43544 +comment (10Foroa) [09:41:54] 03(NEW) Search failures should be reported and not silent - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43553 normal; MediaWiki extensions: MWSearch; () [09:41:55] 03(mod) Wikimedia wiki search is broken (outputting inconsistent results) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42423 (10Nemo) [09:42:34] 03(mod) Wikimedia wiki search is broken (outputting inconsistent results) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42423 +comment (10Nemo) [09:42:46] 03(mod) Search failures should be reported and not silent - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43553 (10Nemo) [09:44:17] can I add a susanwarning:noteasy in the whiteboard? [09:47:36] I have a category with 434 images, and it only displays 200 at a time. Is there something anyone knows that I can paste on the end of the URL to show them all at once? [09:51:31] 03(NEW) Initial focus of input for Special:Nuke is nowhere - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43554 normal; MediaWiki extensions: Nuke; () [09:51:39] 03(mod) Initial focus of input for Special:Nuke is nowhere - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43554 (10Nemo) [09:52:30] 03(NEW) Initial focus of input for Special:ExpandTemplates is nowhere - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43555 normal; MediaWiki: Special pages; () [09:52:46] 03(mod) Initial focus of input for Special:ExpandTemplates is nowhere - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43555 (10Nemo) [09:54:01] 03(NEW) Initial focus of input for Special:ListFiles is nowhere - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43556 normal; MediaWiki: Special pages; () [09:54:10] 03(mod) Initial focus of input for Special:ListFiles is nowhere - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43556 (10Nemo) [09:54:44] 03(NEW) Initial focus of input for Special:UserRights is nowhere - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43557 normal; MediaWiki: Special pages; () [09:54:57] 03(mod) Initial focus of input for Special:UserRights is nowhere - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43557 (10Nemo) [09:55:45] 03(NEW) Initial focus of input for Special:ActiveUsers is nowhere - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43558 normal; MediaWiki: Special pages; () [09:55:57] 03(mod) Initial focus of input for Special:ActiveUsers is nowhere - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43558 (10Nemo) [09:57:16] 03(mod) Create numbered list inside table - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/2315 +comment (10Timeshifter) [09:57:18] 03(mod) jquery.tablesorter: Add support for a "fixed" column - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40618 +comment (10Timeshifter) [09:58:25] 03(NEW) Initial focus of input for Special:Undelete is nowhere - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43559 normal; MediaWiki: Page deletion; () [09:58:34] 03(mod) Initial focus of input for Special:Undelete is nowhere - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43559 (10Nemo) [09:59:17] 03(NEW) Initial focus of input for Special:GlobalUsers is nowhere - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43560 normal; MediaWiki extensions: CentralAuth; () [09:59:37] 03(mod) Initial focus of input for Special:GlobalUsers is nowhere - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43560 (10Nemo) [10:00:30] 03(NEW) Initial focus of input for Special:BookSources is nowhere - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43561 normal; MediaWiki: Special pages; () [10:00:37] 03(mod) Initial focus of input for Special:BookSources is nowhere - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43561 (10Nemo) [10:03:39] 03(mod) Initial focus on Special:Block is nowhere - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34211 (10Nemo) [10:06:56] 03(NEW) Special pages and other forms with initial focus of input nowhere (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43562 normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; () [10:06:59] 03(mod) Initial focus on Special:Block is nowhere - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34211 (10Nemo) [10:07:00] 03(mod) Focus in Special:ListUsers is nowhere - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43552 (10Nemo) [10:07:01] 03(mod) Initial focus of input for Special:ExpandTemplates is nowhere - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43555 (10Nemo) [10:07:02] 03(mod) Initial focus of input for Special:ListFiles is nowhere - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43556 (10Nemo) [10:07:02] 03(mod) Initial focus of input for Special:UserRights is nowhere - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43557 (10Nemo) [10:07:03] 03(mod) Initial focus of input for Special:ActiveUsers is nowhere - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43558 (10Nemo) [10:07:05] 03(mod) Initial focus of input for Special:Undelete is nowhere - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43559 (10Nemo) [10:07:07] 03(mod) Initial focus of input for Special:BookSources is nowhere - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43561 (10Nemo) [10:07:08] 03(mod) Tracking bug (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/2007 (10Nemo) [10:07:57] Elecbullet: if ?limit=500 or whatever number doesn't work, no [10:08:03] (general rule) [10:09:33] I tried that; it does not seem to affect files [10:10:22] I uploaded 434 files and realized that I forgot to upload 2 and needed to find them, so now I resort to more brutish methods to find them. 'Salright [10:10:53] 03(mod) MediaWiki needs a pig Latin variant for English for easier variant development work - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43547 normal->15enhancement (10Andre Klapper) [10:16:59] 03(mod) Search failures should be reported and not silent - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43553 +comment (10Foroa) [10:20:07] 03(mod) Search failures should be reported and not silent - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43553 (10Nemo) [10:20:07] 03(mod) Occasional temporary problem: no search results for any search terms - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35691 (10Nemo) [10:20:09] 03(mod) Add time of last search index update to Special:Search - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/6090 (10Nemo) [10:26:39] 03(mod) jquery.tablesorter: Add support for a "fixed" column - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40618 +comment (10Timeshifter) [10:34:12] 03(NEW) APC causes Fatal error: require(): Cannot redeclare class profiler in ... AutoLoader.php on line 1145 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43563 major; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; () [10:46:09] 03(mod) Add time of last search index update to Special:Search - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/6090 +comment (10Foroa) [10:47:23] 03(mod) Add time of last search index update to Special:Search - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/6090 +comment (10Foroa) [11:18:36] 03(mod) Last language changed tooltip makes ULS hard to close - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42384 (10Santhosh Thottingal) [11:36:58] 03(mod) No tab order set in Special:ListFiles - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43556 summary; +comment (10Nemo) [11:37:23] 03(mod) No tab order set in Special:ActiveUsers - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43558 summary; +comment (10Nemo) [11:38:09] 03(mod) No tab order set in Special:ListUsers - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43552 summary; +comment (10Nemo) [11:38:21] 03(mod) Special pages and other forms with initial focus of input nowhere or no tab order set (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43562 summary (10Nemo) [11:51:34] 03(mod) Search failures should be reported and not silent - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43553 +comment (10Andre Klapper) [11:51:34] 03(mod) Return error rather than "zero results" when search fails - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43544 +comment (10Andre Klapper) [11:53:03] 03(mod) Search failures should be reported and not silent - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43553 +comment (10Andre Klapper) [11:53:13] 03(mod) Wikimedia wiki search is broken (outputting inconsistent results) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42423 +comment (10Andre Klapper) [11:53:16] 03(mod) Occasional temporary problem: no search results for any search terms - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35691 (10Andre Klapper) [11:59:49] 03(mod) SlimboxThumbs incompatible with foreign API repositories - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43541 (10Andre Klapper) [12:00:09] 03(mod) New component: MediaWiki extensions > SlimboxThumbs - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43542 +comment (10Andre Klapper) [12:07:29] 03(mod) Please set the Kalmyk Wikipedia logo - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41958 +comment (10Andre Klapper) [12:07:44] 03(mod) Support for pseudo-language "mul" to indicate multilingual content - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41807 summary (10Andre Klapper) [12:08:16] 03(mod) Latin characters are displayed as Cyrillic on kkwiki when not being logged in - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40800 +comment (10Andre Klapper) [12:13:15] 03(mod) New feedback dialog. Privacy and usability issues. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33365 +comment (10Andre Klapper) [12:16:45] 03(mod) UW will not create a category but it tells so - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37127 +patch-in-gerrit; +comment (10Nemo) [12:17:28] 03(mod) Revert bug 27860 or add configuration variable to restore "Mark all edits minor by default" preference behaviour - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42008 +comment (10Andre Klapper) [12:19:33] 03(mod) Loading of Edit Page occasionally incomplete on ml.wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41802 -ops ; +comment (10Andre Klapper) [12:22:41] 03(mod) Reduce edit conflicts by either telling users to edit a section only, or to have better logic to treat paragraphs, categories, templates independently - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41338 summary (10Andre Klapper) [12:24:16] 03(mod) encoding problem after upgrading - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38250 +comment (10Andre Klapper) [12:25:30] 03(mod) New component: MediaWiki extensions > SlimboxThumbs - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43542 +comment (10Dereckson) [12:27:13] 03(mod) Please set the Kalmyk Wikipedia logo - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41958 +comment (10Nemo) [12:27:31] 03(mod) Deleting a translation unit page doesn't remove the corresponding content from the translation page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39415 (10Siebrand) [12:27:42] 03(mod) Please set the Kalmyk Wikipedia logo - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41958 +comment (10Nemo) [12:28:34] 03(mod) All fuzzied messages should be considered untranslated - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39068 (10Siebrand) [12:28:41] 03(mod) kg and ln does not display in mobile phone modus - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43352 normal->minor; +mobile; +comment (10Andre Klapper) [12:31:59] 03(mod) Highlight non-matching parts of suggestions from translation memory - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38681 +comment (10Siebrand) [12:33:02] 03(mod) Make $wgTranslateSupportUrl configurable by namespace/project - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38635 (10Siebrand) [12:34:51] 03(mod) Filter messages by prefix - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/32060 +comment (10Siebrand) [12:35:20] 03(mod) Filter messages by prefix - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/32060 (10Siebrand) [12:40:38] 03(mod) Please set the Kalmyk Wikipedia logo - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41958 +comment (10Yaroslav Blanter) [12:43:56] 03(mod) Please set the Kalmyk Wikipedia logo - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41958 +comment (10Михаил) [12:57:09] 03(mod) Use words for relative time periods - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35007 (10Robin Pepermans (SPQRobin)) [12:59:18] 03(mod) Please set the Kalmyk Wikipedia logo - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41958 +comment (10Dereckson) [13:01:42] 03(mod) Suppressredirect for patrollers on dawiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43548 normal->15enhancement; +comment (10Dereckson) [13:17:21] 03(mod) Review statistics should be added to Special:LanguageStats and Special:MessageGroupStats - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39279 (10Siebrand) [13:31:04] 03(NEW) Enable {{DiSPLAYTITLE}} on mediawiki.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43564 normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; () [13:31:18] 03(mod) Enable {{DISPLAYTITLE}} on mediawiki.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43564 summary (10T. Gries) [13:31:29] 03(mod) Enable {{DISPLAYTITLE}} on mediawiki.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43564 normal->15enhancement (10T. Gries) [13:36:15] 03(mod) Initial focus on Special:Block is nowhere - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34211 +patch-in-gerrit; +comment (10Nemo) [13:38:27] 03(mod) Non-existing pages at the Commons - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37480 +comment (10Rainer Rillke @commons.wikimedia) [13:46:54] 03(mod) kg and ln does not display in mobile phone modus - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43352 +comment (10Etienne Ruedin) [13:47:43] 03(mod) kg and ln does not display in mobile phone modus - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43352 +comment (10Etienne Ruedin) [13:48:34] 03(mod) kg and ln does not display in mobile phone modus - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43352 +comment (10Etienne Ruedin) [13:48:52] 03(mod) Enable {{DISPLAYTITLE}} on mediawiki.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43564 +shellpolicy; +comment (10Dereckson) [13:50:42] 03(mod) kg and ln does not display in mobile phone modus - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43352 +comment (10Etienne Ruedin) [13:51:58] 03(mod) kg and ln does not display in mobile phone modus - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43352 +comment (10Etienne Ruedin) [13:53:12] 03(mod) APC causes Fatal error: require(): Cannot redeclare class profiler in ... AutoLoader.php on line 1145 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43563 +comment (10Dereckson) [13:53:27] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=43563 sounds technical support. [13:56:12] 03(mod) kg and ln does not display in mobile phone modus - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43352 +comment (10Etienne Ruedin) [14:07:14] 03(NEW) Update Wikivoyage logo where applicable - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43565 trivial; Wikimedia: Site requests; () [14:11:49] 03(mod) Suppressredirect for patrollers on dawiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43548 +comment (10Ole Palnatoke Andersen) [14:17:16] 03(mod) Latin characters are displayed as Cyrillic on kkwiki when not being logged in - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40800 +comment (10Bolatbek) [14:26:44] 03(mod) Suppressredirect for patrollers on dawiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43548 -shell +shellpolicy; +comment (10Dereckson) [14:27:42] 03(mod) Installation of 'Category On Upload' - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/17738 summary (10Dereckson) [14:37:38] 03(mod) Please set the Kalmyk Wikipedia logo - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41958 +comment (10Nemo) [14:40:42] no gerrit messages here? [14:46:11] Hi and Happy New Year to you all [14:48:28] Nikerabbit: gerrit-wm is here and not +q'ed. Not sure what's wrong. [14:55:36] 03(mod) Update Wikivoyage logo where applicable - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43565 -shell +shellpolicy; +comment (10Dereckson) [14:55:39] 03(NEW) Error loading data from server: error. Would you like to retry? - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43566 critical; VisualEditor: General; () [15:03:43] Nikerabbit: it suffered from a netsplit at 0.46 EST, can this have driven it crazy? [15:04:28] wikibugs didn't, dunno mw-jenkinsbot (both netsplitted) [15:06:26] 03(mod) Enable SearchExtraNs extension on Commons - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43329 +comment (10Dereckson) [15:08:16] * Dereckson found an undocumented hook. [15:08:47] SearchAfterNoDirectMatch [15:09:15] added in November at https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/31402/ [15:09:49] SearchGetNearMatchBefore isn't documented either on http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Hooks#Hooks_grouped_by_function [15:11:29] I see SearchAfterNoDirectMatch in the docs [15:11:36] And SearchGetNearMatchBefore [15:12:16] Yes, docs/hooks.txt is exhaustive. I refered to the MediaWiki wiki documentation. [15:12:27] Lines 1829-1837 [15:12:37] We have a clear point for update operation: "This page contains a list of hooks that are made available by the MediaWiki software, and is known to be complete to version 1.8.2." [15:13:01] 1.8.2, lol [15:13:50] Might be nice to document some extension hooks as well [15:17:55] Dereckson, have you seen maintenance/findHooks.php? [15:18:10] yes, I'm fixing a typo in hooks.txt about the case right now [15:18:23] lol [15:18:48] and I add php as prefix: our maintenance files aren't executable [15:19:15] (I meant there are not chmoded as executable in the Git repository) [15:20:27] Yay I managed to get Special:PendingChanges back down to 1 page [15:20:39] Congratulations. [15:25:10] does anybody know a TablePager with a checkbox in the form? [15:30:00] hmmm [15:30:17] I wonder if I can get this query to be indexed: SELECT img_name, img_user FROM image, oldimage WHERE img_user = 'X' OR (img_name = oi_name AND oi_user = 'X'); [15:30:26] and what the sort would be [15:31:16] I could do ORDER BY img_timestamp, oi_timestamp [15:31:26] that would leave the oi_user part unindexed [15:31:32] not sure if that is much of a problem [15:53:43] !sql [15:53:43] There are multiple keys, refine your input: sqlite, sqllog, sqllot, sqlsearch, [15:53:48] hm [15:53:52] !optimization [16:01:45] BryanTM: use a LEFT JOIN [16:02:31] yeah, was just doing that [16:02:35] gotten as far as : SELECT img_name, img_timestamp, img_user_text, oi_timestamp, oi_user_text FROM image FORCE INDEX (img_usertext_timestamp) LEFT JOIN oldimage FORCE INDEX (oi_name_timestamp) ON img_name = oi_name WHERE img_user_text = 'X' OR oi_user_text = 'X' [16:02:55] but I can't seem to get the proper ORDER BY clause [16:05:00] I can do ORDER BY img_user_text, img_timestamp, but then the sort order of the oldimage part is undefined [16:05:38] and if I add oi_user_text then it filesorts on the image part of the query [16:06:38] does really ORDER BY img_user_text, img_timestamp make sense if the user only exists on oldimage? [16:06:54] maybe use only timestamp for ordering [16:07:39] hmm [16:07:41] good point [16:07:47] doesn't yield a different query plan though [16:09:13] so, your query is to extract uploads made by a specific user, even if it's not the current version of the file? [16:27:57] 03(mod) New page automatic summaries override prompt for blank summary - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/8065 +comment (10Danny B.) [16:35:16] 03(mod) encoding problem after upgrading - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38250 +comment (10Paolo Benvenuto) [16:36:33] Vulpix: correct [16:37:06] of course, the real solution would be to fix the image tables similarly to how the cur/old tables were fixed in 1.5 [16:39:08] hello. i wana import dewiki-latest-pages-articles.xml into a fresh mediawiki install on a wamp portable. the german tutorial talks about a AdminSettings.sample wich isnt in mediawiki anymore. can some one tell me please how to import? [16:39:28] without thridparty stuff. best would be just with mediawiki [16:40:03] BryanTM: what about using a UNION? [16:40:05] HellTiger: Have you seen https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Importing_XML_dumps ? [16:40:22] I haven't read it but I think it talks about what you're trying to do. [16:40:27] i cant launch php from some where [16:40:35] its a wamp portable [16:40:43] could be possible, afaik it is not possible to efficiently order by timestamp in that case [16:41:05] of course, I could make a Special:ListOldFiles next to Special:OldFiles [16:41:12] HellTiger: Oh, right, no command line access on that? [16:41:41] it should be a very simple windows application wich provide wikipedia offline [16:41:54] the program is called uniserver, its like xaamp [16:42:04] 03(mod) New page automatic summaries override prompt for blank summary - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/8065 +comment (10Andre Klapper) [16:42:28] 03(mod) encoding problem after upgrading - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38250 (10Andre Klapper) [16:42:31] what is about \maintenance\importDump.php [16:42:51] * Maintenance script that imports XML dump files into the current wiki. [16:44:42] oh, this needs php console [16:45:05] HellTiger: essentially everything needs a command line access, except for Special:Import [16:45:19] but Special:Import won't work for anything but small XML files [16:45:25] hm then i have the wrong wamp install. [16:45:34] i need somthing with php console [16:45:45] wamp should have it [16:46:03] its a portable thing, i am alrdy searching how to launch a php console [16:46:13] it has a mysql console in the gui [16:46:25] you should just open the windows command prompt, and then use the absolute path to the php.exe file [16:46:33] oh! [16:46:53] e.g., C:\Wamp\php\php.exe maintenance/importDump.php [16:47:23] great! [16:48:36] it would be nice if we had a wiki page that would explain the command line in 1 or 2 sentences [16:53:44] BryanTM: i think i got it now: [16:53:45] N:\_files\_wiki\UniServer\usr\local\php\php.exe N:\_files\_wiki\UniServer\www\wiki\maintenance\importDump.php --conf N:\_files\_wiki\UniServer\www\wiki\LocalSettings.php N:\_files\_wiki\UniServer\www\wiki\maintenance\dewiki-latest-pages-articles.xml wiki [16:54:16] 100 (3.06 pages/sec 3.06 revs/sec) [16:54:20] looks like its working [16:54:28] great [16:54:35] i hope its not standing :D [16:54:43] i dont have any more feedback yet [16:54:52] it will probably take a very long time though [16:55:03] the xmlfile has about 11gb [16:55:29] i should search for a verbose flag next time [16:55:34] 3 pages / second with about 1M pages will take 300 000 seconds or about 100 hours [16:55:49] 100 hours is way to much [16:56:05] it's an external USB media? [16:56:19] its an usb2 1.5tb drive [16:57:11] i got some reservation error, now i have 200 (1.01 pages/sec 1.01 revs/sec) [16:57:20] 03(mod) ProofreadPage namespaces for Finnish Wikisource - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40759 +comment (10Aleator) [16:57:25] importing XML dumps is very slow, since it does all the parse stuff (it's like editing and saving each article, not just creating the database rows for storing the content) [16:57:42] well, there are always a few bottlenecks, mostly hard disk speed, cpu, and php being slow in general [16:57:44] plus if the database is in a external storage, it will be very slow [16:58:26] hm should i try then MWDumper? [16:58:49] i just wana have a wikipedia portable on a external drive [16:58:49] HellTiger: try running it with --no-updates [16:59:05] that won't update the link tables and recent changes, but you probably won't need it [17:00:24] can i just break and redo the command? or do i have to clean the databases [17:00:46] yes, you can break the execution without problems [17:01:02] the import checks id eachrevision is already in the database before importing [17:01:12] *checks if each revision [17:03:12] 03(mod) ProofreadPage namespaces for Finnish Wikisource - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40759 +comment (10Dereckson) [17:05:11] oh this looks quite faster [17:05:44] many errors for reserved pages, [17:06:04] reserved for external link [17:13:36] 03(mod) New page automatic summaries override prompt for blank summary - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/8065 +comment (10Mark Hurd) [17:14:21] 10 01According to https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/30177/: How do you propose to split up the commit?01 [17:14:23] 01I have started with the renaming so that one can track the contents of the files01 [17:14:31] 01see https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/41836/ the next step would be the splitting of the MathRender file into two files. I'm don't know how to do that without loosing the history of the file01 [17:17:18] the present xml dump was a german wikipedia, can i just import the same file for english language in the same way, and then choose between the languages in the same mediawiki setup? [17:22:56] 03(NEW) Creating a new page without an edit summary does not prompt when "prompt for edit summary" is checked - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43567 normal; MediaWiki: Page editing; () [17:25:47] 03(mod) New page automatic summaries override prompt for blank summary - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/8065 +comment (10Mark Hurd) [17:27:22] 03(mod) Creating a new page without an edit summary does not prompt when "prompt for edit summary" is checked - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43567 +comment (10Mark Hurd) [17:35:26] 03(mod) $wgExtraLanguageNames is used for sites instead of languages in WikiVoyage - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41209 +comment (10Ryan Holliday) [17:36:42] With the recentchanges api list, with a moved article, is there any way to get both the original title and the new title? [17:37:26] Hmm, I'm about to rename a file now, so I'll tell you :P [17:37:31] HellTiger: no, you need to set-up two different mediawiki installations [17:37:58] ok, but how is it done then in the real wikipedia? [17:38:27] Nevermind, I'll just use the logevents. [17:39:37] ok [17:53:13] 03(mod) Implement ability to safely link e-mail addresses - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40347 (10Kevin Deamandel) [17:55:09] HellTiger: It is two separate wikis, one at en.wikipedia.org and the other at de.wikipedia.org -- getting data from two different databases [17:55:33] ah, can i easy provide the link access between languages? [17:56:04] oh i can imaginate. i need a database where the links for the translation is stored! [18:02:53] 03(mod) $wgExtraLanguageNames is used for sites instead of languages in WikiVoyage - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41209 +comment (10Siebrand) [18:06:09] HellTiger: Well, you can look into hosting a Wikifarm (as they're known), if that's the way you want to go. Depending on what you're trying to do, the whole "having your own MediaWiki installation" may not be the best route; offline Wikipedia readers can be just as good. [18:07:40] 03(NEW) Languages are shown multiple times - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43568 normal; MediaWiki extensions: UniversalLanguageSelector; () [18:09:45] 03(NEW) zh-min-nan and nan are treated as separate languages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43569 normal; MediaWiki extensions: UniversalLanguageSelector; () [18:12:09] 03(NEW) 404 Not Found The resource could not be found. File not found after file upload - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43570 major; MediaWiki: File management; () [18:14:56] 03(mod) 404 Not Found The resource could not be found. File not found after file upload - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43570 +comment (10Maarten Dammers) [18:16:56] is gerrit-wm down? [18:17:04] Jarry1250: i wana have it in a wamp portable, two languages, the feature of clicking on different language of same article would be a nice feature, if its not to hard to achieve [18:17:19] let me rephrase - it *is* down, could somebody restart or something? [18:18:25] HellTiger: I don't think it's too tricky, you'd just set up your two wikis and then have interlanguage links between them [18:19:02] strange, gerrit-wm is not even registered [18:19:08] Jarry1250: i am very new to it, can you explain "interlanguage" a bit more? [18:19:58] HellTiger: Like the links to the left hand side of Wikipedia articles that exist on other wikis [18:20:07] yes [18:20:34] is it a extension wich i have to install into the framework? with a special database wich contain the links [18:20:35] ? [18:20:56] more surprisingly, it's listed as wm-gerrit here http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Git/IRC [18:21:08] Vulpix: well, the thing is, it doesn't work. [18:21:18] doesn't post norifications about reviews here for sure. [18:21:26] because i just wrote two. [18:21:47] I know, it said nothing in all day [18:22:25] I was seeking for the bot contact information, but it doesn't have any... [18:22:42] MatmaRex: I think I read it has been +q [18:22:51] a Freenode channel mode to quiet someone [18:23:10] /mode +q doesn't list it [18:23:45] Dereckson: why would anyone silence it? [18:23:58] i unserstand silencing wikibugs, it tends to spam a lot [18:24:40] 15:48 < valhallasw> Nikerabbit: gerrit-wm is here and not +q'ed. Not sure what's wrong. [18:24:46] oh, not +q'ed [18:26:38] it was netsplit [18:26:50] somebody should probably just restart it... [18:27:44] HellTiger: It's not something I've done, but interlanguage links should work out of the box -- https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Wiki_family [18:27:54] thanks [18:30:18] the question is... who is gerrit-wm maintainer? [18:39:55] MatmaRex: "The minor issues are the real issue" [18:40:25] When i say minor, I really mean minor (the width of the box; link underline on hover) [18:40:28] What are you seeing? [18:41:08] Jarry1250: sorry, i didn't yet have time to test it [18:44:41] 03(mod) Ogg files stammer - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40590 +comment (10Juan de Vojníkov) [18:46:22] Jarry1250: i just know that i have spent time getting the box to autosize, getting the links to span entire "cells", getting the ellipsis working, getting the bolding working, getting the arrow navigation working [18:46:51] and i can bet that at least one of these is going to break, and is going to be a pain in the ass to fix [19:10:01] What all does deleting a page actually do? [19:10:07] 03(NEW) mysql datbase views prevent junit test to start - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43571 minor; MediaWiki: Unit tests; () [19:10:21] You know what's worse than the intricate *nix maze of stuff in /usr /lib /usr/share /usr/local etc...? [19:10:44] /usr/local/lib/share [19:11:23] Apple trying to 1-up the confusion by creating their own fucked up directory structure in /Library and even ~/Library [19:11:43] Isarra: i think it marks all of its revisions as deleted. [19:11:44] !shema [19:11:46] !schema [19:11:47] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Database_layout [19:11:49] No [19:11:50] Does deleting a page remove its entry from page? [19:11:59] Revisions wind up in archive... [19:12:09] among other things [19:12:11] 03(mod) Loading of Edit Page occasionally incomplete on ml.wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41802 +comment (10Marius Hoch) [19:12:12] Text is still in text... [19:12:34] Deleting a page creates a copy of every revision in archive and then deletes all the revision entries alongside the page entry [19:12:49] ah, you're right [19:12:55] Portions of the page data are copied as duplicates into each of the archive rows created [19:12:57] * MatmaRex is reading about it [19:13:17] If you'll notice the archive table has a few more columns than revision, most of them corresponding to stuff inside page [19:13:51] Of course... we have an RFC discussing an idea on how to replace this process with another idea [19:13:53] I know archive well enough. What changes beside those tables? [19:13:53] who do we even have separate tables for deleted and non-deleted reviions? that's stupid. [19:14:04] That's lovely. What else is changed, anything I should worry about? [19:14:17] ;) That's why we ended up with the 'bigdelete' permission [19:14:27] * Isarra wraps text around MatmaRex's head. [19:14:33] Isarra: what are you trying to do? [19:14:36] Isarra: Yeah... revdelete [19:14:50] rev_deleted iirc in the revision table, it's a bitmask [19:15:08] Now instead of deleting whole pages moving their contents to archive [19:15:16] You can also revdelete individual revisions [19:15:30] I'm trying to update a database to match a source that has since been modified. [19:15:45] ((Instead of the ancient practice of deleting everything, restoring everything except what you actually wanted to delete, and then hoping you didn't fuck up)) [19:15:49] Revdelete is completely moot as that is within the revision table. [19:15:53] I am asking about other tables. [19:16:34] Well, the general idea I get from the RfC on the topic is the idea of creating some sort of page_deleted [19:16:40] Is there a method or something I can call that will just make the page be deleted? [19:16:50] Without affecting logging or such, that is... [19:16:53] Oh yeah... somewhere in WikiPage or Archive [19:17:10] ...not sure about making it not log it though [19:17:45] I quite like the idea of the RfC [19:17:48] 03(mod) Searching for media on Commons: Prefer exact wording of search terms to similar articles - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42070 (10Marius Hoch) [19:18:18] 03(mod) APC causes Fatal error: require(): Cannot redeclare class profiler in ... AutoLoader.php on line 1145 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43563 +comment (10Rob Kam) [19:18:24] When a page is deleted, instead of faux moving revision entries to archive, we just faux move the single page entry to page_deleted [19:18:40] Then as a bonus, we can tell the difference between deleted pages [19:18:52] Instead of all the revisions being jumbled together. [19:21:55] Ahah... I found my Parallels VMs... they weren't even in Library... they were shoved into Documents/ [19:23:13] lol mac [19:23:13] I guess that having deleted revisions on a separate table has some benefits, specially when deleting spam pages, etc. Queries should be a little faster if deleted stuf isn't present on the "work" tables [19:23:59] MatmaRex, will you be my brain and tell me how to move things from one table to another? >.> [19:24:14] My previous brain left to try to get some work done. [19:24:57] MatmaRex: Work bought it for me as a backup... My laptop broke... I got used to the backup... Plus it gives me a blend of everything together that lets me test just about everything from my one machines. [19:25:11] -s [19:26:04] Vulpix: Not really... only table scans would be notably faster... and only an idiot uses full table scans... [19:26:08] Isarra: use your favorite tool to export it and then import it? [19:26:20] i dunno, phpmyadmin should be able to do it [19:26:46] Dantman: i'm almost unable to work on a laptop without a trackpoint since i got myself a thinkpad [19:26:46] Revisions. Just revisions. [19:26:59] Heh [19:27:00] it's just so easy and quick to use [19:27:32] and it has the touchpad as well, so i get the best of both worlds [19:27:34] Once in awhile I pull out a mouse [19:28:12] i mostly use a mouse because i have three additional buttons on it. :P [19:28:14] Usually a case of playing a game with a mouse... then for a little while it lingers even when working... [19:28:18] Dantman: those entries are also part of the index. I wouldn't argue with you that index would make that the performance boost very small, but still it's there [19:28:28] Revisions belong to pages... pages belong to projects... projects belong to our divine feline overlords... [19:28:34] Don't need much more buttons when there are gestures. [19:29:27] Vulpix: Not really notable when it's very likely at least on any notable scale like WP that you have more actual page revisions than revisions you've deleted. [19:29:44] Dantman: i love having alt+tab in my mouse. [19:29:59] gestures aside, i even gesture on my touchpad [19:30:53] MatmaRex: Screw that... with workspaces/screens and something like an expose I don't need alt+tab... in fact I find it and usually the dock quite annoying to deal with. [19:30:53] especially when i have 20 windows open. third mouse button + scrolling is quite efficient. [19:31:28] Vulpix: And it certainly does not help performance when this whole archive table forces us to create 'bigdelete' [19:31:35] i found that i usually need all the stuff i have open, so workspaces wouldnt help much [19:32:05] Divide stuff up between what you switch between. [19:32:24] eg: A browser window in one workspace while the code editor is in another [19:32:53] Then instead of alt tabbing between programs you just switch to the adjacent workspace to switch between tasks [19:33:02] (i also use windows - mostly because i have always been using it, and i see no reason to switch that would outweigh the drawbacks - so getting multiple workspaces to work is hackish) [19:33:10] Dantman: bigdelete is for an instant action, seeking through table indexes is a very common task, (like "hot code") [19:33:11] heh [19:33:35] i tried them, though, even used for a while [19:33:52] but i usually ended up with everything in one of them anyway [19:33:52] Vulpix: You underestimate indexes. [19:34:48] no, I don't underestimate them, as I said, I won't argue with you that the performance difference is very small, but there is anyway, specially on wikis with lots of spam edits [19:34:49] Dantman: my browser is also my mail client and rss client, and sometimes also a torrent downloader and irc client as well. [19:35:04] so no, it's always on the screen, and always maximized ;) [19:35:08] lol [19:35:24] you know, accounts creating userpages filled with spam and admins deleting them over and over... [19:35:24] (yay for Opera) [19:35:57] Vulpix: if you have more "bad" edits than real edits, then you have worse problems, really. [19:36:16] I can't wait for the day we have either holo-screens or virtual displays... [19:36:26] Screw monitors and screens... [19:36:36] yeah. today's displays are just too small. :P [19:36:41] Application windows should just float in air wherever we need them. [19:37:04] If I need a browser window, code editor, and terminal next to each other... so be it. [19:37:10] i have to fit everything in 15 inches? what is it, nineteen eighty? :P [19:38:08] Same if I don't need a stack of browser windows or documents at the moment but may later... just stack them over on the side. [19:38:57] Dantman: what browser are you using? i think all of them either support stacking tabs natively or have an extension for that. [19:39:02] 03(mod) New page automatic summaries override prompt for blank summary - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/8065 +comment (10Danny B.) [19:39:21] if i couldn't stack my tabs, i wouldn't have space left for the actual page contents. :P [19:39:24] ^_^ No no... stack windows on top of each other like a set of documents [19:39:32] ah. hm. [19:39:34] When you need a few pull them out [19:39:35] lol [19:39:55] 03(mod) Creating a new page without an edit summary does not prompt when "prompt for edit summary" is checked - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43567 +comment (10Danny B.) [19:40:07] So far, the most promising technology in this area is research into putting small screens into contact lenses. [19:40:11] that doesn't look particularly useful to me in a "regular" 2-d gui interface [19:40:21] but yeah, maybe someday [19:41:35] Put on a pair of contact lenses one day, and have an AR display of screens in front of you (that don't actually exist)... alongside a HUD. [19:43:16] lol... "Headphones for the eyes" [19:44:07] Screens floating in mid air that no-one else can see... letting you watch a movie privately, even in a public space... Just like you do with listening to music. [19:44:18] lol, headphones... that's a funny mental image. [19:45:06] Good pairing though... [19:45:18] that would be like attending a boring conference, and being actually watching a movie [19:45:40] Although professors are going to hate that... [19:45:47] Or watching a movie while in transit without anyone else seeing it... [19:46:01] heh, copying in exams would be easy [19:46:37] Matthew_: Make no misake... schools are going to be banning your digital contact lenses in class too... just as they do other electronic devices, instead of embracing them. [19:46:49] you knwo what sucks? you can't accomodate your eye on something that close :( and i'm not sure how elese it could work [19:46:57] "But Professor... they're prescription!!!" [19:46:58] lol [19:47:41] Oh no you wouldn't accomodate your eyes to it... [19:47:49] Dantman: Heh, depends :P My high school had a hard time catching anyone with an electronic device... so yeah. [19:48:46] The contact lenses place a micro screen directly in front of the part of your eyes that see. [19:48:58] Dantman: i'm just wondering how would it work, assuming it's not entirely science-fiction [19:48:58] But they don't project a single image. [19:49:12] There are two things to consider. [19:49:54] Can you use subqueries with the mediawiki database abstraction layer? [19:50:02] well, if there are "concat lenses", then there's still the eye's lens on the way to retina [19:50:04] Firstly you don't look at them, they augment your sight. You see two images, just like you do normally. The computer offsets stuff in the two images giving you the same perception as normal. So you see depth. [19:50:09] contact* [19:50:54] And the image isn't static. Your eyes' movements would be tracked and the images would shift with your eye movements. [19:51:04] Guys, can you use subqueries with the mediawiki database abstraction layer? [19:51:36] Dantman: why would/should they shift? (assuming we're still talking about contact lenses) [19:51:45] contact lenses are "attached" to the eye itself, and move with it, don't they? [19:52:18] eye tracking and offsetting images feels more like glasses to me [19:52:18] The image is what shifts... what you would see would be 3d imagery interspersed with what you normally see... AR [19:52:34] Everything would be overlayed on top. [19:52:37] and i wear glasses personally, and i can't focus my sight on them, they're too close [19:52:57] and what you're talking about right now feels more like an implant to the nerve or whatnot [19:53:04] You wouldn't focus your eyes... the computer would handle that. [19:53:26] Isarra: There might be some new stuff for it (and might not)... but we haven't supported that kind of thing for ages... and even now we don't recommend it. [19:53:45] Dantman: can you magically "focus" an unfocused image from a camera? i think the same principle would apply here [19:54:41] if your sight isn't focused on something, for it to appear "sharp", you'd have to have bits of the image displayed all over the place, in places from where the rays hit your retina at the same place [19:54:52] and this of course conflicts with the other rays that hit elsewhere [19:54:59] unless my layman's knowledge is entirely wrong [19:55:08] Cameras only have one lense [19:55:39] Should the logevents api query be returning a pageid of 0 for all deletion logs? [19:56:22] Isarra: Sounds sane... the page doesn't exist anymore. [19:57:18] Isarra: deleted pages don't have pageids afaik [19:57:45] But they do before they're deleted. Log just doesn't keep them, then? [19:58:00] it would be kinda useless anyway [19:58:08] This isn't really about you focusing on an image. It's about the computer tracking what you're looking at, and then using two screens on your eyes and it's knowlege about them to trick your eyes into perceiving 3d space on top of what is actually there. [19:58:24] when you undelete a page, it gets a new id, i think [19:58:29] Yeah [19:58:30] (but i don't know much about this stuff...) [19:58:34] We never reuse them... [19:58:41] Well, unless you go and reset the autoincrement. [19:58:58] Okay, some of them have pageids and some of them... don't. [19:58:58] ;) But that's dark magic. [19:59:37] For both deletions and restores. [20:00:45] Dantman: ah, that's interesting, i was thinking about a "contact lens" on just one eye, or of separete ones [20:00:56] Dantman: but what you're saying still conflicts with my (limited) knwledge :P [20:01:01] It's a pair, as always. [20:01:38] Haven't you ever heard of those big goggles? They put two screens in front of you. One over each eye. [20:03:18] 03(mod) Special:GlobalUsers subpage parameter mistaken for &username= - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34016 +comment (10Marius Hoch) [20:03:20] 03(mod) Special:GlobalUsers/groupname prefills username with groupname - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40117 +comment (10Marius Hoch) [20:03:50] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Famicom_3D_System [20:05:50] heh [20:06:04] I was thinking a little more modernly, but sure... [20:06:09] Got it... [20:06:33] hm. [20:07:30] MatmaRex: 'Focus' aka "Accommodation" appears to be a function of varying pupil size, but primarily actually appears to be related to how your two eyes converge to aim at something directly. [20:10:21] MatmaRex: Since the computer would be tracking the posistion of each of your eyes, it would be able to know how much your eyes have converged. And hence it should be able to simulate image changes to compensate for the change of focus, it could fake focus itself, and even make it so that you could see something perfectly in focus no matter where you are focusing. [20:11:36] 03(mod) RT tickets hide status information from volunteers and staff alike - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/30413 (10Risker) [20:11:46] I am trying to import wikipedia xml dump to mysql database but I need to split the database to 1 GB per database. How can I add multiple references to database in the mediawiki LocalSettings.php. [20:12:20] ...you don't, and you can't... [20:12:30] Dantman: the lens in your eye can (with the help of some eye muscles) change its shape and thickness, which allows you to focus on things which are closer or further to you. pupil size is changed by some other muscles, and simply changes the amound of light which reaches your eye, so you can see well in full sunglight, as well as in ppor light conditions. [20:12:35] You can't shard rows in a mysql database. [20:13:12] Dantman: try closing your eye and looking at your nose and, say, a picture or a window at the wall opposite of you [20:13:23] closing one of your eyes and looking with the other* [20:13:34] it's oing to take you a second or two to adjust [20:13:50] so it has to be one giant database? [20:14:13] you can not split it? [20:14:17] i don't know enough about eyes to discuss your second statement, but it seems unplausible to me :) - but i'll be happy if you can prove me wrong [20:14:55] so it has to be one giant database? you can not split it into 1 GB each? [20:15:17] Genghis: yeah, one database. that's usually how databases work, why would you want to split it? [20:15:53] godaddy sets a limit on database size 1 GB per database [20:16:11] godaddy, hah! [20:16:19] Genghis: Pretty much... You can split the text out into some external store. And mysql can shard some tables into separate databases... but it's complicated and not going to help [20:16:27] GoDaddy is shit... period! [20:16:34] ok [20:16:52] Not that trying to import Wikipedia into a GoDaddy account is smart anyways. [20:16:55] Genghis: what, seriously? [20:17:03] Genghis: that's on a paid plan? not on a free one? [20:17:29] http://www.godaddy.com/hosting/web-hosting.aspx?ci=9009 [20:17:44] look at the Ultimate package [20:18:10] lol [20:18:17] why would they give unlimited databases with limited size [20:18:20] that's stupid. [20:18:28] i know [20:18:52] Do you have anyother suggestions for hosting services [20:18:54] you can split the datafiles into smaller pieces in mysql, but that's probably not what godaddy offers [20:18:54] ? [20:18:57] ;) not to mention that unlimited is never unlimited [20:19:51] innoDB storage sucks when it comes to datafiles btw [20:19:53] Genghis: i've heard good things about http://asmallorange.com/ [20:20:04] Genghis: i've never used it, though [20:20:18] ok [20:20:29] so no promises [20:22:40] Genghis: but a database big enough to hold the entire enwiki is going to end up costing you some money [20:23:15] even with the most recent versions only, that's like... 20 gigabytes of XML? database is going to be bigger [20:24:24] Do you guys know any one running a wikipedia fork with 4 million articles that use some kind of hosting service? [20:25:12] the big question is why would you want to do that [20:25:31] i know wikipedia has its own servers? I can't afford that yet [20:25:38] and if you do want to do that, then you might be better of using your own server [20:26:03] just get a PC, plug it in, and let it run continuously and serve requests - congrats, you've got a server [20:26:34] Provided you double check your ISP's policies on servers. [20:26:43] if you're not planning on having hundreds of visitor, this should do. [20:36:51] MatmaRex: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vergence [20:37:25] Initially for year or two it will be unknown site but I have in the past have achieved PageRank 8 for certain domain. That took me about 9 months of continous work but didn't have much content or any great service to sell. I would like to findout if I can setup a english & arabic wikipedia fork and achieve PageRank 8 to see how much success my fork will have on google.. [20:38:07] ..not good [20:39:07] hi everyone, i'm searching for a way in javascript (on a wikipage) to open a wiki-talkpage (add a new section) for editing by users and past some text into editform. Anyone knowing a helping link? [20:39:13] wikipedia fork with millions of articles + PageRank 8 = would it generate traffic on google? maybe achieve PageRank 9 if I am dreaming [20:39:52] Genghis: No-one knows, but quite a few people have complained that Wikipedia is unshiftable from the top spot in rankings [20:41:07] Google has already indexed all of WP... and Google penalizes duplicate content... you won't get any sane rankings from Google by copying Wikipedia... you'll be penalized into oblivion. [20:42:59] * Dantman needs to replace his (W) Futon [20:43:29] plop [20:43:38] http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Cutterspractical00vinc.pdf Scans are perfect in Adobe reader , and completly garbled in Mediwiki [20:43:50] Are there 2 different and incompatible PDF formats in use? [20:45:27] Qcoder00: there are I think 7 versions of the PDF format, and Adobe Reader supports its own extensions as well. [20:45:42] The PDF renderer appears to be dying [20:45:49] Which version does IA support? [20:46:06] (And which version did the PDF renderer in Mediawiki getup to) [20:46:35] As i said there should be a Djvu it being an IA document [20:47:11] It goes through Imagemagick I believe [20:47:22] So you can go look up what ImageMagick support [20:47:24] s [20:47:55] It renders fine in Adobe Reader 10 [20:48:06] I've reported the problems I'm having getting it to scale at all in -operations [20:48:42] It's not a problem for that specfic document, I can upload a Djvu instead [20:49:59] "...archive table seems to be empty." [20:50:11] Does that mean it could contain stuff, and just looks empty? [20:50:21] Isarra: lol [20:51:44] There are scenarios where a table row counts isn't always accurate. [20:52:04] Imagine for example you have a very heavy application, responsible for 99.99% of row add/delete. [20:52:20] Sounds scary. [20:52:22] You decide to keep an internal counter, to avoid to count again and again the amount of rows. [20:52:53] but maintenance scripts are responsible for the remaining 0.01%, and they don't play with your counter. [20:53:26] As long it's considered as acceptable to ignore the precise count, that would justify the use of terminology "to seem". [20:54:52] Ach, [20:57:52] Now, for MediaWiki, maybe a message review wouldn't be a bad idea. [20:58:07] For example, I see languages/messages/MessagesEn.php:'emptyfile' => 'The file you uploaded seems to be empty. [20:58:22] 03(mod) 404 Not Found The resource could not be found. File not found after file upload - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43570 (10Bryan Tong Minh) [20:59:01] This occurs when the file size is 0. [20:59:58] Is there a case a file uploaded could be 0 octect and isn't empty (e.g. a race condition between the acquisition of file information through stat and the size check)? [21:01:14] What if it contains a chicken and the thing calculating size can't handle chickens? [21:01:15] According git blame Isarra, for populateRevisionSha1.php (the best candidate file for your error message), you should ask AaronSchulz. [21:05:04] [16:03] [04:44:17] can I add a susanwarning:noteasy in the whiteboard? [21:05:06] Heh. [21:05:10] Perhaps we need a separate keyword. [21:11:51] 03(mod) "Cancel" link when editing a page should be a button - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40601 (10Matthew Bowker) [21:14:21] 03(mod) Special:GlobalUsers doesn't normalize group names with spaces, requires underscore in URL - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38883 +patch-in-gerrit; +comment (10Marius Hoch) [21:15:30] The fact that wikibugs reports in here on +CC now kind of drives me crazy. [21:18:18] Yeah... [21:19:37] hey, hi, all, happy new year. Any one know how I can debug why my MAGIC WORDS stopped working? [21:23:44] 03(mod) most ways to get list of users in Global groups broken (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/34258 +comment (10Marius Hoch) [21:24:07] any one have any experience with magic words out there? please. I have one that is being ignored for some reason & I can't quite figure out why. (in fact maybe 2 that are being ignored) [21:24:56] sjobeck: it would help if you showed any examples [21:26:39] matmarex: thx. sure. happy to. i was happily using __SECTIONLINKTOTOP__ on approx 100 pages on our wiki, which is otherwise healthy, and recently that word appears to no longer be recognized or parsed or executed. [21:27:50] sjobeck: i assume it's handled by some sort of an extension? [21:28:15] yes. exactly. which does show on the :version" page and appears to be being loaded. [21:28:22] sjobeck: did you update something? [21:28:29] could the version of PHP have something to do with this? [21:29:10] (i believe we recently went from 5.3 to 5.4 for php) [21:29:53] but looking at the code (I'm not a coder, per se) i do not see how it could be, but i could be missing something [21:29:54] no idea [21:30:40] but how was it implemented? the hook for adding these "the right way" was added just recently [21:30:48] i'm afraid i won't be able to help, anyway :/ [21:30:54] any way to step through the parsing/executing of a page loading? [21:31:07] !debug [21:31:08] For information on debugging (including viewing errors), see http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:How_to_debug . A list of related configuration variables is at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Configuration_settings#Debug.2Flogging [21:31:13] You might try enabling debugging. [21:31:27] There's usually a list of parser hook functions on Special:Version, I think? [21:31:29] Do you see this one listed? [21:31:36] It's below the list of extensions. [21:31:36] well, good question, don't know, the page is here http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:SectionLinkToTop [21:31:57] susan: thx. reading. [21:32:06] Odd, I'm missing CSS via HTTP... [21:33:25] how would I know which hook it was using? I am searching that Extension for hooks & trying to tell which one it uses [21:33:28] Squid cache... [21:34:24] An extension hosted on a wiki page. What could go wrong? [21:34:47] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Magic_words [21:34:50] May be helpful. ^ [21:34:51] :) [21:34:51] i know. [21:34:51] on the URL for the extension (where it actually has the code pasted there) there is a "isHooked" does that make sense [21:35:03] 03(mod) Can't upload file with non-ASCII name (eg cyrillic) on Windows host - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/1780 +comment (10Bryan Tong Minh) [21:35:19] yeah, i was just reading that. don't understand it yet, but i will in 20 min. :) [21:35:41] any pointers are appreciated. not sure how this Extension hooks in yet. [21:35:50] So it's mostly the parseAfterTidy() function that's relevant. [21:36:06] That's where the actual action takes place. [21:36:14] So either that function isn't being called or... [21:36:23] if (!$this->isHooked && $this->linkToTopEnabled){ is somehow returning false. [21:38:03] I think. [21:38:06] PHP is gross. [21:38:08] ok. ok. makes sense. wonder if we can hack that up to return hello world, or some such, to step through it. or if that even helps at all. i wanted to see if i could tell what was being returned there. ideas? [21:38:12] or the preg_replace fails. [21:38:21] Right. [21:38:36] sjobeck: There be a more updated extension that you can crib. [21:38:39] There may be * [21:38:53] sjobeck: you could replace `$text = preg_replace($pattern, $replace, $text);` with `$text = "asdf"`. if this replaces the entire page source with "asdf", we're on a good trcak. [21:39:12] testing now [21:39:26] if it doesn't, then i say scrap it, because debugging that mess of hooks is going to be a pain. [21:39:44] assuming i remove the single ticks, yes? [21:39:50] yes [21:40:11] actually, i'm not sure what changing the $text in this place is going to do. [21:40:24] i have no idea which stage of parsing this ois [21:40:42] "after tidy" would imply it's somewhere close to the end, i guess [21:40:45] but the parser is a mess [21:40:53] Yes. [21:40:59] to put it lightly. [21:44:20] yeah, its not all the great of code. bummer. i have a few people who really need it. [21:44:22] advice? [21:44:29] 03(mod) Initial focus of input for Special:GlobalUsers is nowhere - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43560 +comment (10Marius Hoch) [21:47:34] 03(mod) Initial focus of input for Special:ListUsers is nowhere - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43560 summary; +comment (10Marius Hoch) [21:54:51] 03(mod) Can't merge blocked users: Duplicate entry for key 'ipb_address' - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39470 (10T. Gries) [21:55:03] 03(NEW) An active block has not been blocking the account as logged - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43572 normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; () [21:58:02] 03(mod) No tab order set in Special:ListUsers - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43552 +comment (10Nemo) [21:58:05] 03(mod) Initial focus of input for Special:ListUsers is nowhere - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43560 +comment (10Nemo) [21:59:02] 03(mod) Special pages and other forms with initial focus of input nowhere or no tab order set (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43562 (10Nemo) [21:59:03] 03(mod) Initial focus of input for Special:ListUsers is nowhere - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43560 +comment (10Nemo) [22:02:02] 03(mod) An active block has not been blocking the account as logged - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43572 +comment (10Jennifer Zagurski) [22:04:15] 03(mod) An active block has not been blocking the account as logged - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43572 +comment (10p858snake) [22:23:08] 03(mod) Schwa syncope rule in devanagari transliteration - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35990 +comment (10Siddhartha Ghai) [22:23:57] Are users of the Extension:RSS listening here at the moment ? [22:27:40] I still look for code reviewer for https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/3925/ -- the unreviewed changes with some fixes await a final stage of code review [22:28:01] 03(mod) An active block has not been blocking the account as logged - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43572 +comment (10Jennifer Zagurski) [22:29:08] Wikinaut: Huge commits like that can be more difficult to get reviewed. [22:29:18] The INSTALL file looks silly. [22:29:25] It's using a mix of HTML, wikimarkup, and... [22:29:31] plaintext, I guess. [22:32:04] the html is actually wikimarkup [22:32:14] Susan: E:RSS is a legacy extension, stemming from an old approach to get rid of MagpieRSS code [22:32:28] the INSTALL is not needed - in my view [22:32:37] I will delete this, okay ? [22:40:30] hi people, just one basic doubt; is there any extension to add some toolbar referring to "font color" ? [22:40:57] in order to avoid every time to include some html code stuff manually [22:48:59] If you fork wikipedia content google will obviously devalue your content because its duplicate but as wikipedia is constantly changing and reworked. Months or year later forked content and wikipedia content will be quite. Then it would not fall into the duplicate content. [22:49:27] If you fork wikipedia content google will obviously devalue your content because its duplicate but as wikipedia is constantly changing and reworked. Months or year later forked content and wikipedia content will be quite different. Then it would not fall into the duplicate content. [22:59:39] gerrit question: when I want to amend (add a new) patchset, I have to do "git pull origin master; git rebase master" which I understand is necessary. It however requires always to merge again my changes for any new patchset I commit which is painful. [23:00:02] Is there a trick to avoid this foir subsequents PS ? [23:00:55] yep [23:01:11] you don't do "git pull origin master; git rebase master" [23:01:23] git checkout [23:01:32] # edit files [23:01:42] git commit --amend ; git review -R [23:01:48] (-R means no rebase) [23:02:15] are you _really_ sure ? [23:02:46] As sure as I can be using Gerrit for 6 months. [23:02:57] (It means 'yes'.) [23:02:59] Can you do if ( null ) in php? [23:03:28] What would that achieve? :/ [23:03:32] Probably though [23:03:43] yes Isarra, that would be false, so never executed [23:03:48] Thanks. [23:03:51] Dereckson: then the https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Git/Tutorial#Prepare_to_push_your_change_set_to_Gerrit is wrong at this [23:05:11] Wikinaut: I didn't attend to this tutorial at the Berlin hackathon (I were more interested by MySQL and security stuff) and used another document instead - http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Git/Workflow - so I don't exactly know the method offered by this tuto. [23:05:20] If you try to update something that isn't in the database, will it fail, or insert it? [23:05:27] Wikinaut: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Git/Workflow#Improving_a_change [23:05:52] Dereckson: ok, ty [23:05:54] Wikinaut: the git review -d is useful when you don't have the code on your local branch, or if someone submitted another patchset, etc. [23:06:02] I always use this [23:06:13] I fully stick to the Tutorial steps [23:06:16] currently [23:06:25] s/stick/follow/ [23:06:33] You don't need to when you still have the change on your current branch. [23:06:54] yes, but there are these "daily" i18n updates, for examples [23:06:56] I think the workflow page may be more up-to-date and general than the tutorial. [23:07:15] so it's wise that I always check and "pull" before starting my changes [23:07:34] Isarra: yes. But I try to keep both up to date [23:08:02] Wikinaut: you want to change YOUR code, independantly of other parallel submissions [23:08:20] and when you do git review -R, you instruct Gerrit NOT TO rebase against these daily i18n updates [23:08:39] (this, to theorically ease the patchset comparison process) [23:09:00] Yes, but not in the E:RSS case [23:09:24] Here, I wanted to come up with a patch based on the master HEAD [23:10:34] because the unreviewed patchsets are "old" (from spring 2012) [23:11:11] Dereckson, Isarra than [23:11:34] thanks for your advices and ideas [23:12:15] You're welcome. [23:12:53] And thank you for your question, it allowed me to improve our workflow page: http://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Git%2FWorkflow&diff=622996&oldid=621764 [23:14:20] Reedy: if you want to see a strange use of an if always false -> http://wiki.tcl.tk/8568 [23:14:38] Some TCL developers use it for code comments instead to prefix each line with #. [23:15:08] TCL doesn't bother to parse a code never to execute. [23:15:28] So as long as {} numbers are equilibrated, parser is happy. [23:15:33] it's the only possibility to comment out multiple lines in an easy way [23:16:43] Susan: E:RSS https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/3925/8 : I removed the INSTALL file which looked silly [23:16:50] giftpflanze: prefix with "# " 20 lines always suited me [23:16:57] come on … [23:17:06] I like the shape of #. [23:19:49] But I agree it's a convenient hack. [23:20:39] giftpflanze: do you have an account on Gerrit? [23:20:48] If so, I've a little TCL script pending review. [23:21:03] yes [23:21:08] we have tcl on gerrit? [23:21:53] Yes, https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/40295/ [23:28:33] 03(NEW) Bug: section [EDIT] links are not suppressed in epub formatted collections, but should be suppressed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43573 normal; MediaWiki extensions: Collection; () [23:28:55] 03(mod) Bug: section [EDIT] links are not suppressed in epub formatted collections, but should be suppressed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43573 (10T. Gries) [23:34:59] Dereckson: what specifically should i review? [23:38:35] Wikinaut: Looks good to me. [23:42:40] 03(mod) events log with _ok: true even with validation errors - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43550 +comment (10Matthew Flaschen) [23:46:35] 03(mod) An active block has not been blocking the account as logged - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43572 +comment (10Krenair) [23:47:21] 03(mod) mysql datbase views prevent junit test to start - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43571 +comment (10physikerwelt) [23:48:41] 03(mod) mysql datbase views prevent junit test to start - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43571 (10Krenair) [23:49:35] 03(mod) 404 Not Found The resource could not be found. File not found after file upload - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43570 +comment (10Krenair) [23:52:38] Dereckson: flushing files before closing them is unnecessary [23:54:47] there is typo: oneline -> one line [23:55:10] and prefixes are prepended, not appended [23:55:43] there is use of spaces instead of tab in line 10 i think [23:56:33] the usage in the beginning comments is different to [usage] and the script logic [23:58:54] and i guess it should be stated that the prefix has to given in prefix_ form